Some light ahead...
jim at netgate.com
Sat Apr 28 00:36:47 CEST 2007
Igor Foox wrote:
> On 27-Apr-07, at 5:09 PM, Duncan Hudson wrote:
> I think it's wrong to assume that every customer that FIC loses with the
> Neo will go to the iPhone. First of all the iPhone's price point is
> quite high when compared to the Neo, and will be out of reach for many.
> Also see my point bellow about distribution channels.
I can afford an iPhone, my wife thinks I should get one, I just don't
Mostly because its closed.
It would be nice to get 802.11 & Bluetooth on the Neo though.
And, as I said before, "slip happens".
>>> 2) the iPhone may slip too.
>>> Its all the rumor in the Apple world these days. We already know
>>> that Apple has slipped its next OS release (10.5) because it put some
>>> large number of its OS folks on the iPhone project, in order to get
>>> it out the door.
>> It may, but they have a hell of a lot more at stake if they slip the
>> date. To pull developers of OSX, put them on the iPhone, and then
>> slip both dates? Their stock would tank unbelievably - I don't think
>> they'll slip the iPhone date.
It might not tank, but it would slouch.
They'll slip if it doesn't work right.
>>> 3) the iPhone is being sold (in the US) through AT&T/Cingular's
>>> channels, which are deep and wide. Getting a "consumer" to the
>>> iPhone will be easy. Getting that same individual to an OpenMoko
>>> phone will be much more difficult.
>> Getting the 'average joe' to the OpenMoko unknown is going to be
>> difficult at best. Getting the 'average joe' to the OpenMoko when the
>> iPhone, et. al., are flooding the market will be next to impossible.
> I don't know what FIC's plans are for selling the phone through mobile
> providers in the future, but having 'average joe' buy the handset from
> FIC directly is _the_ major barier to wider distribution in my opinion.
It would be nice if FIC would allow distributors **who know what they're
doing** to sell the phone, perhaps pre-loaded with a specialized app.
> At least in North America, not many 'average joes' buy their handset
> from anyone but the mobile carrier. So if FIC can get the phone
> distributed through carriers, I can easily see them having pretty good
> sales figures. Whether carriers would like to sell an open phone is an
> entirely different story of course...
They won't, its toast in that channel.
But you can't really buy a boxed linux distro most places where you can
buy Windows XP/Vista or MacOS X, either.
>>> 4) Relax... you're not going to be able to add features to an iPhone.
>> OSX is unix based, so you and I both know that one will be able to add
>> apps to the iPhone. We also both know that for it to succeed in the
>> business environment they'll have to allow 3rd party apps.
>> Know that I want nothing more than for this device to succeed, but I
>> truly believe with each slip its success becomes more difficult.
>> There comes a point in the game when one just has to play the hand
>> that they're holding - whether it's a winning hand or not...
> Agreed, and much like many others I'm eagerly waiting for the chance to
> pre-order the first revision of the Neo.
Exactly >where< does one do this?
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