Neo 1973 is sold out...

Churchwell, Brian bchurchwell at
Mon Aug 6 19:12:59 CEST 2007

I sent a request to the RT system today for a status update on my order
and I received a reply within 10 minutes that it would be processed
tomorrow  (#2570)
Plenty of things are happening, just not out in the open.


From: community-bounces at
[mailto:community-bounces at] On Behalf Of Mathew Davis
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:59 AM
To: Yohann (yrc) Coppel; community at
Subject: Re: Neo 1973 is sold out...

I think we need to look at this project more along the line of 'Ask not
what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country'
JFK.  This project is kind of like an investment into the future of
mobile phones.  If you are here just so that you can findout more about
the handset that you would like to get then wait until october, and let
FIC work things out.  It seems to me that people are more interested in
the hand set then the openmoko project.  This is obviously a difficult
change of direction for FIC, well now openmoko, so give them some slack.
Be patient things will come along.  You will be treated fairly.  It
seems like when something doesn't go 100% smooth that you get this type
of post.  That seems down right silly to me.  This is in development
stages don't expect everything to be in 100% working order, and that
goes for communication in the mailing lists as much as it goes for the
development of the phone. 
I think we all just need to relax and wait for an official announcement
before we go speading FUD about the project.  If we want to see openmoko
survive then we need to give them some room to breath.  For me it feels
like people are just smothering FIC.  If you get some new relivent
information like the information posted here then post it.  But for
everyone else give it some time for FIC to respond.  I think things are
proceeding well.  When we get some more information from FIC then we can
start making judgements and assetments, but until then settle down. 
Just some of my thought after reading this post.

On 8/6/07, Yohann (yrc) Coppel <leppoc at> wrote: 

	I don't want to say stupid things, but, AFAIK:
	The device is sold out since yesterday !!! And it was Sunday
	Monday in their timezone). Give them some time (I mean one day
or two
	at least !!) Maybe they had a whole bunch of orders this
weekend, and
	they had to change quickly the page while keeping processing the
	This doesn't implies that they are planing to stay silent for
the rest
	of the month, or that they are not going to contact anyone, or
	accept any cancellations, or [write here any other criticism you
	(If I am totally wrong, I don't even want to know ok ? ;) )
	So take it easy ;)
	I want a GTA02 device too, and I hope they will be ready for the
release !
	If they are sold out, it's a good sign isn't it ? means that a
lot of 
	people are interested ! and that we are all together going to
make a
	good phone (and birds will be flying around, the sun shining,
	everything :D ) !
	I have been around on the IRC channel for the last few days, and
	found the community really friendly, especially with newbies,
which is
	IMHO, one of the most important things. I feel comfortable to
	questions to get started to develop apps for openmoko, which is
	Yohann. (aka. leppoc on IRC).
	On 8/6/07, Jonathon Suggs <jsuggs at> wrote:
	> Ian Stirling wrote:
	> > We need to know, in decreasing order: 
	> > Is the GTA02 hardware likely to be able to SHIP to
developers in October?
	> >
	> > Have any changes been made to the published GTA02
specifications other
	> > than the new LEDs?
	> > 
	> > How many outstanding orders are there for the GTA01?
	> >
	> > What is the current GTA01 production volume?
	> >
	> > Do you not really want to sell the GTA01 at all?
	> I feel like I've been doing a lot of complaining on the list
lately, but 
	> I have to agree 110%.  Everyone is always saying things like
	> grateful for the information you've been given" and "this is
more 'open'
	> communication than with other companies."  While those may be
true, this 
	> project is different.  Sean does communicate directly with the
	> community.  At one point we were somewhat kept in the loop,
now we get
	> nothing  (ok, not nothing).
	> I for one am glad that I did not purchase the GTA01.  The
entire process 
	> (at least from what I have read) has been at best a complete
	> and it still isn't over or even getting better.  FIC may not
have ever
	> done B2C, but that still doesn't excuse them from doing
*basic* customer 
	> support and follow up. Sure, the demand may have been *MUCH*
larger than
	> expected and that will inevitably cause delays.  However, a
	> brain dead simple way of handling that would be to (gasp)
	> with the people who attempted to purchase the device.  You
	> everyones contact it *really* that hard or
take THAT
	> much time to keep people in the loop for something they have
tried to 
	> pay for?  The little things do make a difference, and in this
case the
	> little things that weren't done really spoke badly as to how
FIC will
	> take care of its customers, present and future.
	> Enough complaining about B2C.  Now on to overall company
direction.  I
	> really want this project to succeed and I want a GTA02 device.
But why
	> the lack of communication from people?  Honestly, I just don't

	> understand how keeping quiet can be considered a positive
thing.  You
	> don't have to outline company roadmaps, give details of the
	> revisions on a day-by-day basis.  All that is wanted is some
sort of 
	> basic communication about general progress, preferably once a
week, but
	> even every other week would probably be well received as well.
	> My only speculation is that when Sean was keeping us in the
loop and 
	> things slipped that there was some backlash possibly from
inside FIC
	> that didn't like that the consumers having so much information
	> company he is kept on a somewhat tighter leash
and can't 
	> really say as much.  Considering that is how *most* companies
	> it isn't that far fetched...but then again that means FIC is
just like
	> all of the other companies.  Except in this case they are
pushing Open 
	> Standards and Protocols.
	> Sorry for the rant again but just thought it needed to be
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