Forum? (Was Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions)
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
hns at computer.org
Tue Aug 21 15:06:37 CEST 2007
Am 21.08.2007 um 12:46 schrieb Harald Welte:
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:19:57AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
>> please calm down. I know from your blog how upset you are from
>> up the new office location, networks and servers during Taifun time.
> in fact that was the most fun part.
>> But just one question to answer for yourself: do you want to have
>> community involvement or not?
> I am from the community ;) And not in my 10+ years of FOSS community
It didn't look like that...
> development have I seen any project that had problems with properly
> using mailinglists.
By deciding not to have a forum, you will loose some participants.
who remain will have no problems. So, this argument is not a proof...
> Forums are for people who don't understand the technology of properly
> dealing with e-mails. Of what use is something that's only available
Well, I don't know how old you are but I did send my first e-mails
1984 and wrote my first UNIX programs at that time. Nevertheless I would
prefer a forum.
It is so easy to wipe away needs and requests from others by saying they
simply don't understand properly how to use it :-)
What would you do if you go into a shop where you want to buy a red t-
and the sales agent says that red is out and t-shirts are not good at
that all those who want to buy a t-shirt simply don't understand why
shirts are so much better?
> online? Of no use at all. Try keeping a local copy of a forum on
I have never had a problem with not being online all the time.
> laptop. Why should openmoko be any different?
For which purpose should I keep ***all*** these mails archived?
> We will most likely have a forum for _end users_ at a time where we
> to address end users. But not for developers, sorry.
That might be an unwise decision - but you are the decision taker :-)
>> Now as your network appears to work again, please focus on solving
>> uboot, etc. issues that we as the "dumb users" can't solve ourselves.
>> I am for example still fighting the issue with short and long rootfs
>> flashing and NAND erasing, that leaves an inoperable OpenMoko device
> If you consider yourself a "dumb user", then you probably are not the
> kind of developer crowd that we are addressing at this moment :(
Looks a little like Freedom and Openness has limits?
Look - I have a device now for 2 weeks. I have >20 years experience in
software development and a certain goal to achieve with the OpenMoko.
So, how should I know everything the core team knows that works on the
device for now 10 months?
Compared to you, I am of course a "dumb user" who has to learn a
lot of aspects of the OpenMoko system. Especially the flashing process.
But that is IMHO no argument to criticise my requests and needs.
But I do not want to open a new fundamentalistic discussion.
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