Buying Openmoko GTA02 from Europe

Jay Vaughan seclorum at
Thu Aug 23 12:15:43 CEST 2007

As a programmer, even *I* might be selling them, directly, from the  
factory ..


On Aug 23, 2007, at 8:27 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:

> I am quite sure that there will be others who are longer in the  
> business
> (like to name one I know very well)  
> to resell
> the GTA02 from within Europe.
> But we must be aware that reselling needs some more margin for  
> handling all these
> duties, tax, repacking, shipping, insurance issues (there are a lot  
> of people involved
> who want to be paid for their services). So, the device will  
> certainly cost more than
> 450 USD + shipment.
> But you get all issues solved. And there will be warranty. And more  
> options
> for payment (e.g. Credit Card or bank transfer). And someone to  
> directly talk to.
> Am 22.08.2007 um 21:19 schrieb David Pottage:
>> Jean-Eric Cuendet (ML) wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> It seems that a big problem we have here in Europe to get Openmoko
>>> devices is that the shiping costs are quite high: around  
>>> 80-100USD !!
>>> I've opened a website that will sell GTA02 devices when they are
>>> available, to other Europe countries. I'll buy quantities of devices
>>> from FIC and resell them from here, in Switzerland, middle of  
>>> Europe.
>> I am interested, but I am concerned about VAT and import duty  
>> issues, as
>> Switzerland is outside the European Union.
>> I would feel much happier ordering from an importer inside the EU, as
>> that way the importer would be responsible for sorting out and paying
>> any import duties and taxes. The price I pay would include VAT at the
>> prevailing rate in the importer's country. (So it would be better to
>> ship from Belgium where it is low, rather than France where it is  
>> high).
>> Unfortunately I don't get any of those advantages if buy from a  
>> retailer
>> ouside the EU. I may save a small amount on shipping, but I would  
>> still
>> have the headache of paying those taxes myself, and the posibily of
>> paying a lot more than I expect if the customs officers  
>> misclassify the
>> Neo 1973, or disagree with me on it's value.
>>> Payment will be possible through Paypal or direct postal payment in
>>> Switzerland. Shiping costs will be around 20-25EUR for countries in
>>> Europe.
>> I *HATE* paypal, so in any case, if you can find another way of
>> receiving payments that would be good.
>> Regards
>> -- 
>> David Pottage
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