Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

hank williams hank777 at
Tue Feb 13 16:21:03 CET 2007

Thanks Richard.

I have read this before, but forgot the official name of reply-to munging.

I think your analysis is correct. The only thing I would say is that
the "non-standards compliant" way of handling list administration is
in fact, as far as I can tell, the standard way that at least the many
high volume lists that I am on behave.

Its kind of like being with a woman. You have to decide whether you
would rather be happy, or be right. They are mutually exclusive!


On 2/13/07, Richard Bennett <richard.bennett at> wrote:
> On Tuesday 13 February 2007 15:28, hank williams wrote:
> > Again, out of 15 lists, this only happens for me on the openmoko list.
> > Now I have read that some consider this a feature. And perhaps there
> > are benefits I don't understand. but with 25-50% of the tech mailing
> > list readers using gmail, having a list "feature" that causes this
> > kind of a problem should probably be reconsidered. I do not believe
> > this is something that can be worked around in gmail other than by
> > manually fixing every send to this list (which I do).
> >
> > I would ask the openmoko team to consider fixing the mailing list
> > parameters in order to fix this problem.
> Hi,
> It's called 'reply-to munging', and it is as contentious as 'gnu-linux or
> linux', 'Allow proprietary binaries or only OS code', and many other things.
> Here's the details:
> Basically all good email clients support mailinglists that abide by the
> protocols, with notable exception of Outlook and Gmail.
> So many list managers allow 'reply-to munging' to make life easier on those
> users, while all other users have to cope with the broken protocol as best
> they can, which they usually do pretty well.
> Sourceforge mailinglists especially push admins not to allow reply-to munging,
> to encourage to email software to support the protocol correctly, but I have
> seen many a sourceforge list dwindle to a trickle, because replies were not
> arriving at the list anymore, only to the original poster.
> It is difficult to promote working to standards, and then setup your email
> list in an non standard fashion, but in the same way we support MP3 as well
> as OGG, it might be better to be pragmatic about this issue, and allow
> reply-to munging, in the spirit of making the list as accessible and
> enjoyable to all its users, and to restrict arguments to important topics,
> not petty list issues.
> Cheers,
> Richard
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