And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

Marcel de Jong mdejong at
Tue Feb 13 16:47:08 CET 2007

Sorry for not replying at the bottom...

Why the open hostility towards GMail users?

You all tout "we want freedom to choose" and all that, but still you'd
like to stifle the same level of freedom of others.

I choose to use GMail, that's a deliberate choice, because it's one of
the few great _webmail_ applications, with which I can access my mail
anywhere I want. (I'm not always at home reading my mail)

I've tried Yahoo mail, didn't like it, I even tried Fastmail in the
past. (which was slow)

Gmail is responsive for me, and has a lot of good features that I like
and that I use.
And so far I have yet to see any proof of Google actively scr*wing
over their customers, by violating their privacy. Yes they add ads on
the side of the page by scanning your email, like they also do with
the ad-sense ads, there is no difference there, no human eyes are
involved in that process. I have seen no proof of datamining, I rarely
get spam in my inbox, and most of my mails are threaded.

If you can't deal with gmail-messages, fine, block all
messages, that is your choice. It won't stop me from using Gmail.

A very miffed Gmail-user,

On 2/13/07, Robert Michel <openmoko at> wrote:
> Salve Richard, *!
> I full agree with you! But dubbel mails from gmail is IMHO
> not the worst - it is starting new threads with every answer
> be not using working "Referneces" or "In-Replay-To"....
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Richard Bennett wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Why so many people who believe in the ideals put forward by the Neo/Openmoko
> > project are happy to use Gmail astounds me...
> tzz, locking forward to have more ICT freedom with OpenMoko/Neo1973
> but wasting personal freedom and privatcy by using the datacollecting
> monster google....
> >A nyway, aside from that minirant, is it possible when sending mail from
> > Gmail  to not CC loads of people in the meantime?
> The gmailers here on the list are also _rowdily_ by not using an
> emailclient with supporting working "References" :((
> Maybe they are so ICT unskilled that they do not know that good
> emailcinets support threading for efficient and civilised communication.
> So either someone of the gmail guys explains the other gmail ICT-noobs
> how to use an emailclient for a civilised participtation on a
> mailinglist, or I will gooing filter all mails comming from
> (Gmail users seems to become what AOL users has been known for)
> Nice hints like:
> S: Small hint:
>     Your Email hasn't a working "References:" or "In-Reply-To:"
>     in its header, so no email client could put it into the
>     right thread. Please check if you can answer with
>     "Referneces".
> Seems not to be understood or respected.
> ****Sorry for my hard words,*****
> but as we known there are over 800 people on the list and a mailinglist
> without respecting References in the emailheader will making an
> unneccessary mess in our inboxes, but also on the webarchives.
> So when you are using gmail and you know how to use gmail
> civilised on a mailinglist, please explain other gmailers
> how to do so....
> Which gmail user can help?
> Thank you :))
> rob
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