I proposed to move to the community mailinglist Re: Please no crossposting! Re: Information regarding the Messaging Support in OpenMoko

Robert Michel openmoko at robertmichel.de
Wed Jan 31 21:46:42 CET 2007

Salve David!

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, David Ford wrote:
> p.s. the subject line is "no crossposting!"  which list do people want
> this to remain on?

I think it is clear that it is a general talk about SMS/MMS 
and not the question how to use the SDK, how to crosscompiling.

Without a clear seperation of both list is having his 2 list
contraproductive. The core developer and the most active people
will read both list.

openmoko-devel would be good to have with a focus on concrete 
coding issus so that programmer find information fast and good
programmer will not unsubscribe because on to much general talk.

community means not just a fan-club, maybe this will change
with a shipping to endusers - but then I would be for a new
mailingist for "consumers": openmoko-users.

community IMHO should be a general discussion place,
and openmoko-devel when it is about coding problems or knowhow.

E.g. the question about FAX modem, AT commands and  GPRS class
is also in a way about developing - but IMHO this topic is without
any direct programming issue - so it is community.

Also translation is important, also for developing software to
have localisation, but the question who will could translate
which language is general talk, better on community - it could
also motivate people with low or no programming skill to 
join and support this great project.

Then openmoko-devel would be stay clear that hackers/coders/programmers
will find fast the information that they need.

So excuse my action on this point, but without care about
a clear separation, one list would be better then two.

When Harald, Sean or Mickey have another idea about
the use of community and openmoko-dev - please write
us how to use the two list in a clear and efficient 

let us see what Harald has written:

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 of fans and supporters to help each other.  

So talking about MMS is a wishlist item....
-> community.

My try with the translation had worked better to send no answer
to openmoko-devel so  when you see crosspostings or postings
on openmoko-devel that fits obviously better to community,
just move without any additional post to openmoko-devel.

Just imagine when mails would 2-4 times as much as today...
Let us care (a bit - not to strong) to keep openmoko-devel
clear focused on concrete developing.


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