community Digest, Vol 36, Issue 45

Ryan Lozier rlozier at gmail.com
Thu Jul 19 22:22:21 CEST 2007


Is there an openmoko forum? I am really sick of reading this mailing list
for the last year to find subjects im interested in. If there is one, please
someone point me to it, and im not talking about the wiki. I mean, where
would someone go if they had a question about a particular function of the
phone or one of the softwares? This mailinglist? If there is no forum yet,
we need one.
ryan.

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>   1. Re: Shipping, Billing, etc (Daniel Robinson)
>   2. Re: Shipping, Billing, etc (Peter Trapp)
>   3. Re: projects of interest? (Shakthi Kannan)
>   4. Operator Acceptance Testing (Shakthi Kannan)
>   5. Re: Shipping, Billing, etc (Ian Stirling)
>   6. Re: Possible App - Security (Christian St?ble)
>   7. Re: Possible App - Security (Henryk Pl?tz)
>   8. Re: Shipping, Billing, etc (Rodolphe Ortalo)
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Daniel Robinson" <dgrobinson at dgrobinson.com>
> To: community at lists.openmoko.org
> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:15:28 -0700
> Subject: Re: Shipping, Billing, etc
> I had some concerns about this also.  There has been very little info
> coming out from OpenMoko about the number of units of each type that have
> been ordered by developers and how many are available.  Moreover, there
> hasn't been any information about where we are in the queue.  All that has
> been said is that you get one email, then you get another email, then you
> get your dev unit.
>
> Do they expect me to keep hitting the refresh button like some blue-haired
> lady playing the nickel slots?
>
>
> On 7/19/07, Giles Jones < giles.jones at zen.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Benjamin Flanagin < bflanagin at cityofbridgeport.net> wrote :
> >
> > > The limited number of neo's have got me worried that I might not be in
> > > the first batch. Have anyone been charged for the device yet? I'm
> > ready
> > > to learn the ways of Openmoko Ninjitsu.
> > >
> >
> > One person has confirmed on the list that their order has been
> > processed.
> >
> > There's a few factors, first there's two colours. Secondly there's two
> > kits, the phone only and the phone + dev board kits.
> >
> > Maybe the white and orange versions will be in more supply?
> >
> > ---
> > G O Jones
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Peter Trapp <openmoko at genial.ms>
> To:
> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:39:42 +0200
> Subject: Re: Shipping, Billing, etc
> I'm not concerned about the number of units. It's more about the
> delivery date. On
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1_FAQ:
>
> Are there enough phones for the number of orders? Will FIC produce
> another GTA01 batch if needed?
>  >Of course. Please note that there is a lead time of four to six weeks.
>
>
> I don't want to wait another 6 weeks (~ End of August) to buy GTA02   2
> month later...
>
>
>
>
> Daniel Robinson wrote:
> > I had some concerns about this also.  There has been very little info
> > coming out from OpenMoko about the number of units of each type that
> > have been ordered by developers and how many are available.  Moreover,
> > there hasn't been any information about where we are in the queue.
> > All that has been said is that you get one email, then you get another
> > email, then you get your dev unit.
> >
> > Do they expect me to keep hitting the refresh button like some
> > blue-haired lady playing the nickel slots?
> >
> >
> > On 7/19/07, *Giles Jones* < giles.jones at zen.co.uk
> > <mailto:giles.jones at zen.co.uk>> wrote:
> >
> >     Benjamin Flanagin < bflanagin at cityofbridgeport.net
> >     <mailto:bflanagin at cityofbridgeport.net>> wrote :
> >
> >     > The limited number of neo's have got me worried that I might not
> >     be in
> >     > the first batch. Have anyone been charged for the device yet?
> >     I'm ready
> >     > to learn the ways of Openmoko Ninjitsu.
> >     >
> >
> >     One person has confirmed on the list that their order has been
> >     processed.
> >
> >     There's a few factors, first there's two colours. Secondly there's
> >     two kits, the phone only and the phone + dev board kits.
> >
> >     Maybe the white and orange versions will be in more supply?
> >
> >     ---
> >     G O Jones
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Shakthi Kannan" <shakthimaan at gmail.com>
> To: community at lists.openmoko.org
> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:46:01 +0200
> Subject: Re: projects of interest?
> Hi,
>
> > On 7/19/07, Andreas Jellinghaus <aj at dungeon.inka.de > wrote:
> > I would like to train my vocabulary while in the subway.
> > a simple application that shows me a word, and when I tab
> > ob it the translation with two buttons ok / wrong
>
> I use FlashBack (but, no sound support):
> http://freshmeat.net/projects/flashback
>
> It will be useful to have an application like the above with sound
> support.
>
> If there are a number of people interested in contributing some .ogg
> sounds for alphabets/words, we can even make it as a language learning
> tool!
>
> Of course, grammar for each language should be addressed. Also,
> translation of words for different languages will be useful.
>
> SK
>
> --
> Shakthi Kannan
> http://www.shakthimaan.com
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Shakthi Kannan" <shakthimaan at gmail.com>
> To: community at lists.openmoko.org
> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:01:12 +0200
> Subject: Operator Acceptance Testing
> Hi,
>
> I would like your thoughts on how FIC or the community is going to
> work on Operator Acceptance Testing and Interoperability Testing for
> the Neo1973.
>
> I see some GSM implementation here:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM02.07
>
> Has anyone had a chance to have a discussion with operators on this?
>
> Appreciate any inputs.
>
> Thanks,
>
> SK
>
> --
> Shakthi Kannan
> http://www.shakthimaan.com
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Ian Stirling <OpenMoko at mauve.plus.com>
> To: openmoko at genial.ms
> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:04:44 +0100
> Subject: Re: Shipping, Billing, etc
> Peter Trapp wrote:
> > I'm not concerned about the number of units. It's more about the
> > delivery date. On
> >
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1_FAQ:
> >
> > Are there enough phones for the number of orders? Will FIC produce
> > another GTA01 batch if needed?
> >  >Of course. Please note that there is a lead time of four to six weeks.
> >
> >
> > I don't want to wait another 6 weeks (~ End of August) to buy GTA02   2
> > month later...
> >
>
> Based on basic sums of tickets and phones per order, it seems likely
> that the number of phones ordered is 800-1500 or so.
> It is very likely that there will be a delay.
>
> If they kicked off the production process for the next batch on the 10th
> - after having several hundred orders - then 4 weeks comes around the
> 8th of August. Probably another week at least for shipping.
> So, at best, another month.
>
> At worst - if nobodies pressed the button, and the production time is 6
> weeks, and this doesn't happen till they get the first batch out the
> door, we might be looking at the first days of November.
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Christian Stüble <stueble at sirrix.com>
> To: ramsesoriginal <ramsesoriginal at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:11:11 +0200
> Subject: Re: Possible App - Security
> Moin moin,
>
> the problem with voice encryption on mobile phones is not the
> cryptographic
> scheme. Its the (relatively small) bandwidth, especially on the GSM Data
> channel, and the latency due to lots of buffers.
>
> Chris
>
> Am Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2007 09:35 schrieb ramsesoriginal:
> > Ok, I never made nothing with encryption on phones, but wouldn't it be
> > enough to make some sort of public key system, which works as follows:
> > When i want to cal lsomeone, the phone generates a random digit.. . IT
> > encodes it with the public key of the reciver and when he acepts the
> call,
> > it sends it. The reciver derypts it. And then simply encrypt the call
> with
> > this session key. Or did i miss something?
> >
> > On 7/18/07, Christian Stüble <stueble at sirrix.com> wrote:
> > > Hola,
> > >
> > > we are planning to develop several security-related applications on
> top
> > > of the
> > > Neo device. Voice encryption is only one of them.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007 11:36 schrieb COMINT:
> > > > Hi there
> > > >
> > > > I'm interested in putting together an encryption app to allow secure
> > > > voice calls over the GSM data call facility.
> > > >
> > > > I'm looking for one or more people that would be interested in
> working
> > > > together to get something running on the neo.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone is interested please drop me an email.
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > > --
> > > Sirrix AG security technologies - http://www.sirrix.com
> > > Tel: +49(234) 610071-111,     Fax: +49(234) 610071-500
> > > Public key on demand.
> > > Fingerprint 8678 C5D3 CAD9 CD8C  F1DD B8EC 202F 116A
> > >
> > > Vorstand: Ammar Alkassar (Vors.), Ahmad-Reza Sadeghi, Christian Stüble
> > > Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Prof. Dr. Kai Rannenberg
> > > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Homburg/Saar, HRB 3857 Amtsgericht Saarbrücken
> > >
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> --
> Sirrix AG security technologies - http://www.sirrix.com
> Tel: +49(234) 610071-111,     Fax: +49(234) 610071-500
> Public key on demand.
> Fingerprint 8678 C5D3 CAD9 CD8C  F1DD B8EC 202F 116A
>
> Vorstand: Ammar Alkassar (Vors.), Ahmad-Reza Sadeghi, Christian Stüble
> Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Prof. Dr. Kai Rannenberg
> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Homburg/Saar, HRB 3857 Amtsgericht Saarbrücken
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Henryk Plötz <henryk at openmoko.org>
> To: community at lists.openmoko.org
> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:08:52 +0200
> Subject: Re: Possible App - Security
> Moin,
>
> Am Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:36:56 +0100 schrieb COMINT:
>
> > I'm interested in putting together an encryption app to allow secure
> > voice calls over the GSM data call facility.
>
> The main problem that you're facing when you want to do voice encryption
> using the GSM data facility is not the encryption part: there are good
> and working libraries and examples available so that this is almost
> straight forward (if you need an inspiration just look at
> cryptophone.de). Encryption and key handshake are solved problems,
> especially if you have a device as powerful as the Neo. Your actual
> problem will be finding a voice codec that you can use in spite of the
> ridiculously low bandwidth of GSM data calls.
>
> --
> Henryk Plötz
> Grüße aus Berlin
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>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rodolphe Ortalo <rodolphe.ortalo at free.fr>
> To: community at lists.openmoko.org
> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:09:48 +0200
> Subject: Re: Shipping, Billing, etc
> Le jeudi 19 juillet 2007 à 18:04 +0100, Ian Stirling a écrit :
> [...]
> > At worst - if nobodies pressed the button, and the production time is 6
> > weeks, and this doesn't happen till they get the first batch out the
> > door, we might be looking at the first days of November.
> [...]
>
> Sob. ("Snif" in original language.)
> Well, that's not such bad news if there are lots of orders...
> BOOUUUHH...
>
> Rodolphe
>
> I will really need to to write yet another toy app to wait until then,
> any ideas?
>
>
>
>
>
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