Mikkel Meyer Andersen
openmoko at mikl.dk
Sun Oct 7 10:43:00 CEST 2007
I just want to remind everybody about that Neo is one project and
OpenMoko is another. Saying that, I have to give FIC a lot of credit for
coorperating, but this doesn't mean that another vendor isn't allowed to
make phone with a camera. Who knows, maybe there'll be two, three, or
maybe four different phones later on.
Mikkel Meyer Andersen
Jay Vaughan skrev:
>> I do tech support for phones and I assure that there are many
>> people who don't care about cameras. I knpw because they
>> say exactly that "I don't need a camera".
> Wait until someone actually writes some good applications that use the
> camera as more than just a holiday-fun activity capture device. For
> example, I'd love to use the GTA03 as a mouse. This is entirely
> feasible if it has a camera onboard.
>> I can't say that Neo is for non techies. An open source linux
>> based phone where you can compile your own kernel and
>> can get a JTAG adapter for flashing ... for non techies?
> This is the developer stage, obviously. There's no point for me to be
> spending so much effort being involved with the developer stage of this
> phone project, if there isn't at least some promise that on the horizon,
> OpenMoko will be available to consumers as a platform. I envision that
> all the effort I'm putting into writing apps for OpenMoko will prove
> worthwhile, once there are people who can buy OpenMoko-based phones
> freely on the open market, plug in my feed address, and subscribe to my
> applications. This would be an awesome relationship, in my opinion,
> between me (the developer) and (hopefully) thousands of users. If there
> isn't at least a promise of this on the horizon, there is no point
> hacking around with OpenMoko - I can get my Linux hacker fix on with
> plenty of other more viable platforms, in the meantime. Such as for
> example, the GP2X gaming platform, which shares a lot of similarities
> with the OpenMoko ethos, even though the users:developers ratio is a lot
> higher in that realm.
> I would encourage anyone on this list right now to remember that this is
> supposed to be the developer-stage ramp-up towards a possible more
> consumer-oriented future. Please, OpenMoko people, plan to bring
> products to the market that are *not* so developer focused in the very
> near future.
> I would love to have a few thousand normal users plugged into my
> application feeds, and not just for the fun of it.
>> A fully open source phone is a provider's nightmare. That
>> does not mean they won't sell to users, but it does mean
>> that providers won't buy them to sell to you, not unless they
>> can erase the flash image, provide their own, prevent the
>> JTAG access, and many other things ...
> All of these tasks can quite easily be wrapped up in a consumer-friendly
> package, without intruding on any network-provider realities. The fact
> is that the OpenMoko-based phones are quite functional devices - once
> people see that there are applications beyond-the-box for the handy they
> are enslaved by, things will change. I can think of tons of
> applications for OpenMoko, also, that are not just limited to
> network-provider metrics; I, for one, would love to see these
> applications become more broadly acceptable, and thats not going to
> happen without a little developer investment and faith, no matter what
> the status quo currently provides, that there will be users one day able
> to buy hardware to run the cool pocket apps of the future. Such as we
> are seeing right now with the developer-stages of OpenMoko..
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