Loosing your moko
ramsesoriginal at gmail.com
Fri Apr 4 16:58:22 CEST 2008
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Sean Anderson
<keep.brain.from.freezing at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's certainly prudent to realise that this is far from a full-proof
> phone theft prevention system. I realise it's a little redundant to say
> "aaw, but no security is airtight anyway!", but it's worth pointing out
> Encrypted data, a device that phones home... these are all flawed but
> noticeable barriers for the potential thief. It is also worth noting
> that the data stored on a phone like the Moko (emails, passwords, ssh
> keys) is significantly more valuable than the type of data stored on
> ordinary cellphones at the moment ("hey, how r u? <3" x 500, some
> pictures of people being hit by bins) so it is more important that the
> owners of the devices, and the developers, think more seriously about
> how to protect the valuable data that is being stored.
> The Moko has the hardware and the flexibility, so I doubt it would be a
> great deal of trouble to implement a little GPS app that phones home
> when it gets lost.
> My main point: the system may also be useful if the user has simply
> misplaced the phone and would like to find out if they've left it at a
> friend's house or at the pub. GPS is getting accurate enough to
> determine which area of the house it is in. It could eliminate the
> possibility of it being stolen if it turns up in a familiar location.
> How is the Moko user going to tell if they have dropped their phone on
> the train and it is sitting unclaimed at the lost & found depot of the
> train station? GPS, of course :)
> On Fri, 2008-04-04 at 12:43 +0200, Alexey Feldgendler wrote:
> > On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:35:17 +0200, Michele Renda
> > <michele.renda at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > When I steal the phone, the first thing that I will do is to turn off
> > > the phone. Then because I am afraid to be detected by cell I will change
> > > the internal sim, before to turn on it.
> > This is also what happens in Russia. The majority of cell phones are
> > stolen or robbed of people by junkies. They immediately turn the phone off
> > and throw away the SIM card. Without turning the phone on, they bring
> > several phones they've collected during the night to a buyer-up who pays
> > them maybe a tenth of what the phone is worth, and that's enough for them
> > to get their needle.
> > The bulk of stolen phones then goes to some phone repair workshops who run
> > an underground business of preparing them to be sold. They reflash the
> > phone or reset it to a clean state because nobody wants to sell a phone
> > with someone's data on it that would be crying out loud "I'm a stolen
> > phone". They also unlock it if it's locked to an operator, and change the
> > IMEI in those models where it's possible. The next stop for a stolen phone
> > is a second hand mobile phone shop whose owner allegedly has no idea that
> > the phones that strange people bring, a whole box of them at a time, are
> > in fact stolen.
> > Because rampant mobile phone theft brings them to the second hand market
> > where they are priced for less than half of what they're worth, it makes
> > them affordable to people who would otherwise not be able to buy a phone.
> > Of course, this happens at the expense of those people from whom the
> > phones are stolen, and who usually buy themselves a new one. Because of
> > this situation, the cell operators in Russia are reluctant to use the IMEI
> > (which is often impossible to change) to track down or at least deny
> > service to phones reported as stolen -- that would shrink their own market.
I'm not an expert of the matter, but if it's possible to detect the
distance of some bluetooth-device, then a simple headset (remains
always on your ear) or even a "bacon" in your wallet is enough to
prevent loosing/getting your phone stolen: if more then 2 meters
distance, make a loud noise. That's it.
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