GTA03 wish list (was: What US plans are people using?)

David Samblas Martinez dsamblas at
Fri Apr 25 01:22:47 CEST 2008

Challenge is not a obligation nor a contract nor even a requirement , but if neo's has been designed without any stylus holder is because the intention is not to need it in day by day (common) use, but there is a lot of good stylus friendly applications out there ready to be used so every is free include it in his neo and OM with his package manager for sure will be happy to include in his repository to an easy and happy install.them
But for sure a lot of this applications can become(or new ones directly created to be) finger friendly and if anybody (OM team included) consider that this worth the effort it will do.
As long I was able to see naturally those applications that make sense to be managed on the run(phone calls/messaging, players, gps even a doc viewer)   will be more likely to be used by fingers only; but those that need more attention to manage  and a lot of features/options/paremetric/precision needing will be more difficult and meaningless to be managed without stylus.
A better description about soft included or to be included finger/stylus ready here

And now will come the free source magic, that a lot of newcomers, and even lazy veterans are afraid of... If you don't like it , you are free to change it or try to convince any one to do it for you, to do so try  good arguments and reasons and if it doesn't work try to use the money , it's incredible how many developers agree to work for money ;)

An remember if you don't want to carry the stylus everywhere you can always enter a bar and take a toothstick :) (for sure I will have to do it more than one time)
Kevin Dean <kevin at> escribió: On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Steven **
> I don't think the games were ported.  I thought they were just a
>  simply cross-compile to show that they would work on Openmoko.
>  I think the intention is that you should be able to do most things
>  without a stylus.  It says essentially that on
>  That said, this is opensource!  You can't force every developer to
>  design their program for finger operation.

A point of clarification... I'm not referring to every app, I'm
referring specifically to the applications that Openmoko will be
releasing. Perhaps this is an incorrect assumption, but I am under the
impression that Openmoko Inc. will be writing and releasing software
to do the things their hardware devices are advertised as being able
to do. They say "GPS Navigation" and I assume Openmoko Inc. will
provide customers with a GPS navigation application. Same for dialer
(since the device is advertised as being able to make phone calls) and
so on. the device isn't advertised as a home automation remote
control, but it MIGHT be if the user decided to go beyond what the
consumer device is being sold to do.

Someone can write an application in Qt 4.4 and SAY it's a Gnome
application, but it's not. Likewise, if it doesn't conform to the
guidelines specified for Openmoko it's not "really" an Openmoko app,
if that makes sense.

>  Some app just might not be
>  usable without a stylus and that's up to the developer.  If you don't
>  like it, modify the source and change the GUI.

Keep in mind that Freerunner is designed to be a mass market product.
That's very true that this can be done but making that action a
REQUIREMENT for consistant applications is directly opposite the ideas
of a mass market device.

>  The one thing I've written[1] was specifically designed to be
>  "finger-friendly" as I don't intend to carry a stylus around with me
>  either.
>  -Steven
>  [1]
>  On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Kevin Dean  wrote:
>  > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Stroller 
>  >
>  >  >   One of the objectives of openmoko is to no need to use the stylus
>  >  >   at all ...  When devels talk about "mokofy" (port to openmoko) some
>  >  >   aplication one of the chalenges is to use it with out stylus.
>  >
>  >  Either this is NOT a real goal of Openmoko or the developers suck at
>  >  it. There are SEVERAL applications on Openmoko that require a stylus
>  >  (many of the games, for instance). As far as I know, the criteria
>  >  "Openmoko apps must be usable with fingers" has never been set.
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