Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

Crane, Matthew mcrane03 at
Mon Apr 28 19:23:01 CEST 2008

To me, the title of this thread seems very strange, as if engineering
and community is mutually exclusive.
If this is primarily a developer platform, why are there so many intense
opinions about such superficial things as color and marketing anyways?
Personally, I was expecting that once the platform is absolutely solid,
flexible, etc, then would be the time to release various versions forms
of the hardware to suit particular marketing niches.   That will come in
due time.
If people want to get involved outside of "hard" engineering why not dig
into gui look-and-feel?  If that's still too technical, then maybe
there's just not the room someone's looking for in this particular
project..  Really that's ok and to sometimes be expected.
I mean marketing is really just "how to sell" and that's entirely up to
the company taking the financial risk for this particular product, imho.

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Subject: Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

I have to say my unvoiced thoughts were the same as Ryan's. I was not at
all clear why a call for the community to help figure marketing stuff
out would be met by a request to take the discussion off list as though
it was somehow inappropriate for public discussion. It seemed like a
very strange response. Now reading the responses to Ryan's comments seem
even more strange. I feel like I am missing something because the
responses to Ryan's comments seem on the surface, inappropriate as well.


On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Ryan Prior <ryanprior at>

		> I never said anything about a conspiracy - I just
thought I'd point out that
		> it strikes me as strange to respond to somebody's call
to open up a process
		> and involve the community by asking that person to
make their communications
		> private!
		So according to you, it should not be possible to talk
with people
		outside the mailing list?

	I did not say anything quite so bold, and you've completely
missed my meaning. Please go back and read the thread again - my comment
is purely a reaction the circumstances under which the request for
secrecy arrived.

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