Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)
hank777 at gmail.com
Mon Apr 28 22:46:48 CEST 2008
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Crane, Matthew <mcrane03 at harris.com> wrote:
> Clever design != feat of engineering.
again, unless you have "engineered" a "clever design" I don't think you have
much credibility on this. Executing appealing products from an engineering
perspective is incredibly hard. What experiences do you have on this front
which would suggest otherwise.
> *From:* community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org [mailto:
> community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org] *On Behalf Of *hank williams
> *Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2008 4:26 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Crane, Matthew <mcrane03 at harris.com>
> > There is nothing incredible about apple's electrical, software, or
> > mechanical engineering. IMHO..
> > The marketing/buzz machine is incredible though.
> I presume that you have never worked on a team that has built a successful
> mainstream consumer product, because if you did, you certainly would not be
> able to dismiss their success in this manner. Making things that sell has
> very little to do with advertising. "hype" does not just come from nowhere,
> as if from the heavens. If crappy products could win based on good
> advertising, all that would be required was money and clearly that is not
> nearly enough (see Microsoft Vista).
> The bottom line is that best selling tech gadgets, software, and computers
> sell to primarily tech savvy people because they like them. They like them,
> because the designers and developers have figured out how to make broadly
> appealing products. That is hard. If you are suggesting otherwise without
> actually having a resume that suggests you have done so yourself, you really
> don't have much of an argument.
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org [mailto:
> > community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org] *On Behalf Of *hank williams
> > *Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2008 1:52 PM
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> > *Subject:* Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re:
> > Ugliness)
> > If this is primarily a developer platform, why are there so many
> > > intense opinions about such superficial things as color and marketing
> > > anyways?
> > >
> > In today's world, there is *very* little daylight between marketing and
> > engineering. They are of a piece. The product design, the feature set, and
> > yes even the physical form factor are all both engineering issues as well as
> > marketing issues. Apple is a prime example of this. The beauty of the design
> > of their products is all about marketing, but could not be achieved without
> > incredible engineering on the electrical, software, and mechanical
> > engineering fronts. So I don't think, particularly for a phone, you can
> > separate these issues.
> > Hank
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