From abatrour at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 00:19:33 2008
From: abatrour at gmail.com (abatrour)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:19:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Pre-made debian image?
Message-ID: <1228087173114-1596711.post@n2.nabble.com>


i was wondering if there is a pre-made debian image available that I can copy
directly to my memory card.
All I can find are guides on installing it through an existing OS on my
phone but I can't connect my phone to my computer (for internet, ssh)
because the xp driver doesn't work.
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From aliasid at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 00:24:07 2008
From: aliasid at gmail.com (Al Iasid)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:24:07 -0500
Subject: auxlaunch ver 0.6
Message-ID: <5933f39c0811301524n1f41a8ddm5766b1c06f7135fe@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Here's info on an update to "auxlaunch", (finger-friendly
app launcher and window switcher). Download at [1] and
wiki page at [2]. Version 0.6 changes include:

- New '-noaux' option as alternative to claiming the
AUX button.
- At startup, if another auxlaunch instance is running,
signal it (to appear) then exit current instance.
- Use rc file in user's home directory.
- Use fork and execvp to launch apps.
- Bug fix: mode now set to WIN on gaining focus.
- Started using version control (at
http://code.google.com/p/auxlaunch/).
- Removed pesky /r's. (Thanks to Timo for the alert.)
- DMS: Shortened 'Applicatons' to 'Apps'.

Comments and patches always welcome. Many thanks to Joachim
"nomeata" Breitner, "chrysn", and "ben" for their contributions and
advice.

[1] http://code.google.com/p/auxlaunch/downloads/list
[2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Auxlaunch

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From aliasid at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 00:29:05 2008
From: aliasid at gmail.com (Al Iasid)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:05 -0500
Subject: Pre-made debian image?
In-Reply-To: <1228087173114-1596711.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1228087173114-1596711.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5933f39c0811301529o7e98b1ffkd869a26468659751@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 6:19 PM, abatrour <abatrour at gmail.com> wrote:


> i was wondering if there is a pre-made debian image available that I can
> copy
> directly to my memory card.
>
> Check out hackable1.org. They're based on  Debian  and  you install by
copying directly to SD card. I was able to install it and so far, so good.

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From maelvon.hawk at laposte.net  Mon Dec  1 03:15:05 2008
From: maelvon.hawk at laposte.net (Maelvon HAWK)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:15:05 +0100
Subject: SD boot freeze, hang at boot time, why ?
In-Reply-To: <1228074983.16739.5.camel@firebrick>
References: <4932A26B.305@laposte.net> <4932DF94.3040904@openmoko.com>
	<1228074983.16739.5.camel@firebrick>
Message-ID: <493348A9.3030800@laposte.net>

Marian Flor a ?crit :
> Am Sonntag, den 30.11.2008, 18:46 +0000 schrieb Andy Green:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
>>
>> | Starting kernel ...
>> | </freeze>
>> |
>> | Someone can tell me what's happening ? Or give me any clues to repair
>> | that, and a place to report the bug.
>>
>> Best thing is figure out if it's a kernel issue or just userspace...
>> fiddle with your U-Boot env to add "console=tty0 loglevel=8" on the
> 
> Maelvon,
> I had a similar issue with a 16GB card. Resolution was to add some
> sleep(1) time before mmcinit is called. Works fine after after adding 2
> seconds of sleep.
> See:
>  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SanDisk/SDSDQ-016G-E11M
> and reference to original post:   
>  http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/035412.html
> 
> HTH,
> Marian

Thanks Andy and Marian,

I'll try to add the loglevel=8 to the U-Boot, not tested for now.

First I have tested the Marian solution, and I understand now the 
difference between the NAND and NOR. NAND can be modified with the 
configure-uboot.sh script file. The NOR cannot be modified.

I'm testing Hackable:1. I've installed Debian before Hackable:1, and 
modified the NAND menu  a few weeks ago but always boot in NOR, so I 
don't know if it work with the default configure-uboot.sh and Debian in 
NAND.

Testing the Marian solution, I've modified the NAND boot, added the 
"sleep 2;" but on NAND boot it say now :
<boot>
Failed to mount ext2 filesystem...
** Bad ext2 partition or disk - mmc 1:1 **
Wrong image format for bootm command
ERROR: can't get kernel image!
</boot>

I'm using the Hackable:1, so I think it was the problem as it boot 
Hackable:1 normally in the NOR (fat+ext2), with allright the freeze 
problem for Flash and MicroSD.

I've done a "fsck.ext2 -v -y -f /dev/mmcblk0p2", but no changes.

Any clues,

Regards,

Maelvon




From triveros at enable.cl  Mon Dec  1 03:46:53 2008
From: triveros at enable.cl (Tomas Riveros Schober)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:46:53 -0300
Subject: [OM-testing] change default dialer volume
Message-ID: <4933501D.4040703@enable.cl>

Hello list,
I've been playing around with the daily testing image and found it to be 
reasonably good. The only thing that I've not found how to do i to set 
the default in-call volume (the qtopia-dialer one) since on every call 
the volume starts at 0 so, as you can imagine, i can barely hear anything.
Anyone knows where to set the default value?

regards,
Tom



From mail at 3v1n0.net  Mon Dec  1 04:32:35 2008
From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 04:32:35 +0100
Subject: ALSA state ringtone volume
In-Reply-To: <4932A394.1020201@lilik.it>
References: <4932A394.1020201@lilik.it>
Message-ID: <ggvlbb$utb$1@ger.gmane.org>

leonardo wrote:
> Hi all,
> Does anybody knows which alsa statefile, and which control should I edit
> to raise/lower the volume of the ringtone when receiving gsm calls?

Until you answer the stereoout.state file is used. I guess you should
set the 'PCM Volume' and 'Headphone Playback Volume' controls.

Bye

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From mail at 3v1n0.net  Mon Dec  1 04:46:12 2008
From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 04:46:12 +0100
Subject: [OM-testing] change default dialer volume
In-Reply-To: <4933501D.4040703@enable.cl>
References: <4933501D.4040703@enable.cl>
Message-ID: <ggvm4t$1jc$1@ger.gmane.org>

Tomas Riveros Schober wrote:
> Hello list,
> I've been playing around with the daily testing image and found it to be 
> reasonably good. The only thing that I've not found how to do i to set 
> the default in-call volume (the qtopia-dialer one) since on every call 
> the volume starts at 0 so, as you can imagine, i can barely hear anything.
> Anyone knows where to set the default value?

As I've written in the bug #2140 two days ago, to avoid this issue the
openembedded PhoneProfile.conf should have been updated, but it seems
that it hasn't been.

Btw you can easily fix your problem by editing the file
 /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/PhoneProfile.conf
Adding, for each profile, a line like:
 CallVolume = 3

More infos at [2].

[1] http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2140#comment:6
[2]
http://git.openmoko.org/?p=qtopia.git;a=commit;h=1819dc7a500d51083b8871cd55b5e4507da329a5

-- 
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http://www.3v1n0.net/




From triveros at enable.cl  Mon Dec  1 05:01:41 2008
From: triveros at enable.cl (Tomas Riveros Schober)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 01:01:41 -0300
Subject: [OM-testing] change default dialer volume
In-Reply-To: <ggvm4t$1jc$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <4933501D.4040703@enable.cl> <ggvm4t$1jc$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <493361A5.2010104@enable.cl>

Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote:
> Tomas Riveros Schober wrote:
>   
>> Hello list,
>> I've been playing around with the daily testing image and found it to be 
>> reasonably good. The only thing that I've not found how to do i to set 
>> the default in-call volume (the qtopia-dialer one) since on every call 
>> the volume starts at 0 so, as you can imagine, i can barely hear anything.
>> Anyone knows where to set the default value?
>>     
>
> As I've written in the bug #2140 two days ago, to avoid this issue the
> openembedded PhoneProfile.conf should have been updated, but it seems
> that it hasn't been.
>
> Btw you can easily fix your problem by editing the file
>  /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/PhoneProfile.conf
> Adding, for each profile, a line like:
>  CallVolume = 3
>
> More infos at [2].
>
> [1] http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2140#comment:6
> [2]
> http://git.openmoko.org/?p=qtopia.git;a=commit;h=1819dc7a500d51083b8871cd55b5e4507da329a5
>
>   
wow, thank you very much for the information, that was precisely what i 
was looking for (however, the bug is not exactly the same, since the 
phone is configured to ring, not to silence or vibrate only)

Tom



From mail at 3v1n0.net  Mon Dec  1 05:30:52 2008
From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 05:30:52 +0100
Subject: [OM-testing] change default dialer volume
In-Reply-To: <493361A5.2010104@enable.cl>
References: <4933501D.4040703@enable.cl> <ggvm4t$1jc$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<493361A5.2010104@enable.cl>
Message-ID: <ggvook$6fe$1@ger.gmane.org>

Tomas Riveros Schober wrote:
> Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote:
>> Tomas Riveros Schober wrote:
>>   
>>> Hello list,
>>> I've been playing around with the daily testing image and found it to be 
>>> reasonably good. The only thing that I've not found how to do i to set 
>>> the default in-call volume (the qtopia-dialer one) since on every call 
>>> the volume starts at 0 so, as you can imagine, i can barely hear anything.
>>> Anyone knows where to set the default value?
>>>     
>> As I've written in the bug #2140 two days ago, to avoid this issue the
>> openembedded PhoneProfile.conf should have been updated, but it seems
>> that it hasn't been.
>>
>> Btw you can easily fix your problem by editing the file
>>  /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/PhoneProfile.conf
>> Adding, for each profile, a line like:
>>  CallVolume = 3
>>
>> More infos at [2].
>>
>> [1] http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2140#comment:6
>> [2]
>> http://git.openmoko.org/?p=qtopia.git;a=commit;h=1819dc7a500d51083b8871cd55b5e4507da329a5
>>
>>   
> wow, thank you very much for the information, that was precisely what i 
> was looking for (however, the bug is not exactly the same, since the 
> phone is configured to ring, not to silence or vibrate only)

Yes, but that's in that bug that I posted the patches that fixed that
issue (no caller audio if not ringing - that was present in the first
git revision containing the volume slider); and there I posted also a
diff to complete the patchset and fixing the side effect you've mentioned...

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From john_lee at openmoko.com  Mon Dec  1 06:35:58 2008
From: john_lee at openmoko.com (John Lee)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:35:58 +0800
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <200811302256.47957.CC.Fan@gmx.de>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<200811302256.47957.CC.Fan@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <20081201053557.GB7403@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:56:47PM +0100, Fabian Henze wrote:
> On 30.11.2008 at 12:50:22, John Lee wrote:
> > Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's
> > impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models.
> 
> Just a short question: What is a7?
> Can you please update the wiki article about the GTA02 revisions?
> 
> -- Fabian

I think it's not shipped yet, so maybe it exists only inside openmoko.
I don't know about the details.


- John



From john_lee at openmoko.com  Mon Dec  1 06:51:24 2008
From: john_lee at openmoko.com (John Lee)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:51:24 +0800
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <20081130141648.188ab882@franky>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost> <20081130141648.188ab882@franky>
Message-ID: <20081201055123.GC7403@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 02:16:48PM +0100, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:50:22 +0800
> John Lee <john_lee at openmoko.com> wrote:
> 
> > Echo:
> > 
> > Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's
> > impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models.
> > However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your
> > neo.  My way is to adjust
> > control.4 Speaker Playback Volume in
> > /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state
> > 
> > the max value is 127, 95 works best on my a5.  With volume level 3 or
> > 4 in qtopia dialer, the other side can hear no echo while I get good
> > audio quality.
> 
> Does this mean the fix is only through alsa? So the fix mentioned here:
> http://n2.nabble.com/FSO-M4---nice-GSM-sound-tp1486414p1518726.html
> is not ok? Since that fix is the only real fix for my echo issues (and
> it seems to come from 2008.8).
> 
> Franky

That fix is already in testing repo, maybe over 1 month now.  However
even with this patch there is still chance you can hear echo.

Let's say A calls B, and B is using a neo with this fix.

1. The receiver (handset speaker) is loud enough and the mic is
   sensitive enough, so gsm won't turn off the mic.

2. A starts speaking right after B, but gsm needs a little time to turn
   off mic.

In either case you can still here a little echo.  Much better then
before, of course, but still a little.  I was talking about 1. in my
previous post.


- John



From jvaughnmd at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 07:01:23 2008
From: jvaughnmd at gmail.com (joseph vaughn)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 01:01:23 -0500
Subject: No subject
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From john_lee at openmoko.com  Mon Dec  1 07:01:23 2008
From: john_lee at openmoko.com (John Lee)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:01:23 +0800
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <20081130133220.GA7344@roque.1407.org>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<20081130133220.GA7344@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <20081201060123.GD7403@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 01:32:20PM +0000, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 07:50:22PM +0800, John Lee wrote:
> > Echo:
> > 
> > Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's
> > impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models.
> > However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your
> > neo.  My way is to adjust
> > control.4 Speaker Playback Volume in
> > /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state
> > 
> > the max value is 127, 95 works best on my a5.  With volume level 3 or
> > 4 in qtopia dialer, the other side can hear no echo while I get good
> > audio quality.
> 
> This is interesting, I have an a5 and the default value of FSO M4.1a:
> 
>         control.4 {                             
>                 comment.access 'read write'     
>                 comment.type INTEGER            
>                 comment.count 2                 
>                 comment.range '0 - 127'         
>                 iface MIXER                     
>                 name 'Speaker Playback Volume'  
>                 value.0 116                     
>                 value.1 116                   
>         }                                     
> 
> Sometimes I ask people on the other side: do you hear echo? The answer
> has been no.
> 
> Rui

116 was the old value I use before I updated the alsa state file from
FDOM.  There was no/very little echo, but the other side always
complains they cannot hear me very well.  I also feel the receiver
(handset speaker) is unnecessarily loud sometimes.

The new alsa state file uses 116, but boosts the mic path a little bit
more, so it solved the "can't hear me" problem while makes the echo
even easier to happen.  With the new state file, 95 is the best value
for me because I can always make it louder if necessary with Tick's
volume bar in qtopia.


- John



From john_lee at openmoko.com  Mon Dec  1 07:06:34 2008
From: john_lee at openmoko.com (John Lee)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:06:34 +0800
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <4932E1DC.7050307@openmoko.com>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost> <4932E1DC.7050307@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <20081201060634.GE7403@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 06:56:28PM +0000, Andy Green wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> 
> Hi John -
> 
> | * some obsolete kernel modules still left in system
> 
> If we didn't do it already, the packaged kernels need to move to having
> /lib/modules path that is specific to the kernel device and build,
> similar to what the ./build script does:
> 
> /lib/modules/2.6.28-GTA02_andy-tracking_d0aa5acc0be7c573-mokodev/
> 
> The branch and hash stops any conflict about module versions, and the
> device tag "GTA02" allows multiple kernels to be installed on the same
> rootfs, so you can share the SD Card between GTA01 and GTA02 say, both
> times with SD Card boot to the right kernel.

Yup, but it won't make opkg remove the unnecessary modules.  It's a
problem that needs to be solved in OE.

> | * must remove 'ro' in kernel boot parameter if you use sd boot.
> 
> At the moment Qi has ro boot everywhere by default, is this restriction
> just a temporary workaround for something?

I think it's related to Olv's new boot scripts.  I have rough idea
about why but this can be better explained by him.

> | he will work on opkg internals next.  Olv moved to look into kernel
> | and fso.  Erin will try bluetooth.  Julian is working on the GTK
> | redraw issue, please help him out.  Jeremy will fix some qtopia bugs
> | and keep working on suspend/resume issues.
> 
> Just a thought, it can be worth Olv and Jeremy bouncing what they're
> planning on doing off the kernel list.  For example some advice for
> Jeremy about "suspend / resume issues" would be don't waste your time
> doing any suspend / resume work on 2.6.24 kernel, only on
> | andy-tracking.

Thanks for the reminder.  :)


- John



From ido.lelie at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 11:58:46 2008
From: ido.lelie at gmail.com (NZIdol)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:58:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Announce: omnewrotate 0.5.0
In-Reply-To: <20081119232142.GB6614@roque.1407.org>
References: <20081119232142.GB6614@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <1228129126863-1598202.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,

Have been playing around with your code and figured out what the possible
problem is with the zero values. You essentially try to read 4 packets from
the device in 1 read and then decode them into x,y and z assuming they are
always send in the same order. However it looks like the sensor/driver does
not send a string when the measured value is 0, (can even been seen with
hexdump, I'm using SHR with updated kernel from bug 2145 to get around the
threshold problem.)  If that happens your xyz may get the wrong values
resulting in , you'll have to check each message for type and code before
you use the value. Efficiency is good, but be careful with shortcuts....
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From ant at truebox.co.uk  Mon Dec  1 12:02:59 2008
From: ant at truebox.co.uk (Antony King)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:02:59 +0000
Subject: VAT decrease == cheaper freerunners
Message-ID: <200812011102.59427.ant@truebox.co.uk>

Hi all,

Just a quick plug to say we've updated our shop with the new VAT rate in the 
UK; total price including 15% VAT and courier delivery to UK is now ?330.05 . 

Shop is here:

https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=shop&thiscat=8

We've also got some batteries in for ?16 + vat.

Antony.



From billk at iinet.net.au  Mon Dec  1 12:31:52 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:31:52 +0900
Subject: Compatible earphones ...
Message-ID: <1228131112.26409.3.camel@rattus>

Just broke my freerunners original headset.  Is there a list of
compatible models? - not much thats useful on the wiki that Ive been
able to find  Just that some Nokia smartphone models will work ...

Looking more for a headset rather than the original earbuds.

BillK


-- 
William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
Home in Perth!




From joakim at verona.se  Mon Dec  1 13:00:15 2008
From: joakim at verona.se (joakim at verona.se)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:00:15 +0100
Subject: Compatible earphones ...
References: <1228131112.26409.3.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <m37i6kf6ls.fsf@verona.se>

William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> writes:

> Just broke my freerunners original headset.  Is there a list of
> compatible models? - not much thats useful on the wiki that Ive been
> able to find  Just that some Nokia smartphone models will work ...
>
> Looking more for a headset rather than the original earbuds.
>
> BillK

Try to keep the broken headset around anyway. It can be useful to solder
a headphone jack to it so you can use whatever headphones you like with
it. The 2.5mm 4-pole plug seems hard to come by.

-- 
Joakim Verona




From billk at iinet.net.au  Mon Dec  1 13:47:44 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:47:44 +0900
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
Message-ID: <1228135664.26409.15.camel@rattus>

Loaded it up and it rebooted fine, but isnt usable.

Ive lost the spanner so I cant configure it

It goes to sleep automaticly after a few seconds and without the spanner
I cant figure out how to disable it (I see you mention that sleep time
needs to be reset - but how?).  Same if I have it plugged into usb, goes
to sleep while I am logged into it.  The old settings icon is still
present, but does nothing except spin for a few seconds and exits -
tried logging in to faultfind it but - you guessed it, phone went to
sleep.

Its gone back to the huge icons - a real pain, again I cant see how to
select the smaller ones without the spanner.

Ive lost the terminal keyboard and only have the crappy ones left -
unusable for anything serious, like trying to use a terminal to fix
things :(

I'll try an unmodified 2008.9 in a couple of days and see if my changes
to make 2008.9 usable are the cause of the above.

The good - gsm registered immediately, but then it went to sleep :(  

BillK




On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 19:50 +0800, John Lee wrote:
> Dear Community,
> 
> As Sushama (our new testing team member) indicated in
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003493.html ,
> we won't have a release in Nov.  Currently the testing team is going
> to do a full test on the latest testing image.  It has all the goodies
> we did and a lot of improvements over Om2008.9, so please try it and
> report any error you find.
> 
> 
> Upgrade howto:
> 
> From Om2008.9 it's recommanded to upgrade with the following steps:
> 
> sed -i -e 's%Om2008.8%testing%' /etc/opkg/*.conf
> /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop
> screen -DR
> opkg update
> opkg -force-overwrite upgrade
> # (please ans Y to all questions)
> # (the sshd (dropbear) will restart, so you need to reconnect and do
> # 'screen -DR' again)
> opkg upgrade
> shutdown -r now
> 
> To get the fastest boot time you also need to remove the following
> packages:
> 
> opkg remove task-base-nfs task-base-smbfs task-base-bluetooth \
> task-base-usbgadget avahi-daemon avahi-autoipd blueprobe \
> usb-gadget-mode portmap exquisite exquisite-theme-freerunner \
> exquisite-themes
> 
> 
> Known issues:
> 
> * GTK redraw problem
> * some obsolete kernel modules still left in system
> * must remove 'ro' in kernel boot parameter if you use sd boot.
> * will purge your incompatible e config, so you might need to set
>   stuffs like suspend time again.
> 
> 
> Echo:
> 
> Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's
> impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models.
> However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your
> neo.  My way is to adjust
> control.4 Speaker Playback Volume in
> /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state
> 
> the max value is 127, 95 works best on my a5.  With volume level 3 or
> 4 in qtopia dialer, the other side can hear no echo while I get good
> audio quality.
> 
> 
> Team update:
> 
> Tick helped to put his touchscreen improvement into stable-tracking,
> he will work on opkg internals next.  Olv moved to look into kernel
> and fso.  Erin will try bluetooth.  Julian is working on the GTK
> redraw issue, please help him out.  Jeremy will fix some qtopia bugs
> and keep working on suspend/resume issues.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> John
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
-- 
William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
Home in Perth!




From rakshat at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 13:49:17 2008
From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:19:17 +0530
Subject: Freerunner on cover of Linux for you magazine
Message-ID: <69a2e4550812010449j63b37bcdl5bab624c829dea0d@mail.gmail.com>

The Freerunner is the main photo on the December issue of Linux for You
Magazine

http://www.lfymag.com/currentissue.asp?id=13

Have not read the issue yet but would expect that the lead story should be
about the Freerunner too.


Regards,

Rakshat

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From iknowjoseph at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 13:51:30 2008
From: iknowjoseph at gmail.com (Joseph Reeves)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:51:30 +0000
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <1228135664.26409.15.camel@rattus>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<1228135664.26409.15.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <958244340812010451g36c0d199id6967625a90bf797@mail.gmail.com>

I've discovered the same:

https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2148

Joseph



2008/12/1 William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:
> Loaded it up and it rebooted fine, but isnt usable.
>
> Ive lost the spanner so I cant configure it
>
> It goes to sleep automaticly after a few seconds and without the spanner
> I cant figure out how to disable it (I see you mention that sleep time
> needs to be reset - but how?).  Same if I have it plugged into usb, goes
> to sleep while I am logged into it.  The old settings icon is still
> present, but does nothing except spin for a few seconds and exits -
> tried logging in to faultfind it but - you guessed it, phone went to
> sleep.
>
> Its gone back to the huge icons - a real pain, again I cant see how to
> select the smaller ones without the spanner.
>
> Ive lost the terminal keyboard and only have the crappy ones left -
> unusable for anything serious, like trying to use a terminal to fix
> things :(
>
> I'll try an unmodified 2008.9 in a couple of days and see if my changes
> to make 2008.9 usable are the cause of the above.
>
> The good - gsm registered immediately, but then it went to sleep :(
>
> BillK
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 19:50 +0800, John Lee wrote:
>> Dear Community,
>>
>> As Sushama (our new testing team member) indicated in
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003493.html ,
>> we won't have a release in Nov.  Currently the testing team is going
>> to do a full test on the latest testing image.  It has all the goodies
>> we did and a lot of improvements over Om2008.9, so please try it and
>> report any error you find.
>>
>>
>> Upgrade howto:
>>
>> From Om2008.9 it's recommanded to upgrade with the following steps:
>>
>> sed -i -e 's%Om2008.8%testing%' /etc/opkg/*.conf
>> /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop
>> screen -DR
>> opkg update
>> opkg -force-overwrite upgrade
>> # (please ans Y to all questions)
>> # (the sshd (dropbear) will restart, so you need to reconnect and do
>> # 'screen -DR' again)
>> opkg upgrade
>> shutdown -r now
>>
>> To get the fastest boot time you also need to remove the following
>> packages:
>>
>> opkg remove task-base-nfs task-base-smbfs task-base-bluetooth \
>> task-base-usbgadget avahi-daemon avahi-autoipd blueprobe \
>> usb-gadget-mode portmap exquisite exquisite-theme-freerunner \
>> exquisite-themes
>>
>>
>> Known issues:
>>
>> * GTK redraw problem
>> * some obsolete kernel modules still left in system
>> * must remove 'ro' in kernel boot parameter if you use sd boot.
>> * will purge your incompatible e config, so you might need to set
>>   stuffs like suspend time again.
>>
>>
>> Echo:
>>
>> Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's
>> impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models.
>> However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your
>> neo.  My way is to adjust
>> control.4 Speaker Playback Volume in
>> /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state
>>
>> the max value is 127, 95 works best on my a5.  With volume level 3 or
>> 4 in qtopia dialer, the other side can hear no echo while I get good
>> audio quality.
>>
>>
>> Team update:
>>
>> Tick helped to put his touchscreen improvement into stable-tracking,
>> he will work on opkg internals next.  Olv moved to look into kernel
>> and fso.  Erin will try bluetooth.  Julian is working on the GTK
>> redraw issue, please help him out.  Jeremy will fix some qtopia bugs
>> and keep working on suspend/resume issues.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> John
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> --
> William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
> Home in Perth!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



From billk at iinet.net.au  Mon Dec  1 14:22:28 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:22:28 +0900
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <958244340812010451g36c0d199id6967625a90bf797@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<1228135664.26409.15.camel@rattus>
	<958244340812010451g36c0d199id6967625a90bf797@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228137748.26409.24.camel@rattus>

Thanks, also I was bit too rushed.  I shut down X which allowed me to
stay logged in and find out that the customisations to get the spanner
and keyboards had been undone - fixed them and I can now use the phone.
The suspend time is fixable from the spanner so the settings isnt
needed.

Some of my existing apps wont start (pypennotes, ...) so they probably
need upgrading.  openmoocow (old version) started once out of three
tries - left me at a grey screen otherwise.  At one point the display
died and restarted itself when I tapped a blank part of the home screen.

Fonts and widgets are far too large on apps like pythm, tangogps and the
like.

Tried a test call - no audio :(
Probably need to set a profile, but need the settings app for that.

BillK

On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 12:51 +0000, Joseph Reeves wrote:
> I've discovered the same:
> 
> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2148
> 
> Joseph
> 
> 
> 
> 2008/12/1 William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:
> > Loaded it up and it rebooted fine, but isnt usable.
> >
> > Ive lost the spanner so I cant configure it
> >
> > It goes to sleep automaticly after a few seconds and without the spanner
> > I cant figure out how to disable it (I see you mention that sleep time
> > needs to be reset - but how?).  Same if I have it plugged into usb, goes
> > to sleep while I am logged into it.  The old settings icon is still
> > present, but does nothing except spin for a few seconds and exits -
> > tried logging in to faultfind it but - you guessed it, phone went to
> > sleep.
> >
> > Its gone back to the huge icons - a real pain, again I cant see how to
> > select the smaller ones without the spanner.
> >
> > Ive lost the terminal keyboard and only have the crappy ones left -
> > unusable for anything serious, like trying to use a terminal to fix
> > things :(
> >
> > I'll try an unmodified 2008.9 in a couple of days and see if my changes
> > to make 2008.9 usable are the cause of the above.
> >
> > The good - gsm registered immediately, but then it went to sleep :(
> >
> > BillK
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 19:50 +0800, John Lee wrote:
> >> Dear Community,
> >>
> >> As Sushama (our new testing team member) indicated in
> >> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003493.html ,
> >> we won't have a release in Nov.  Currently the testing team is going
> >> to do a full test on the latest testing image.  It has all the goodies
> >> we did and a lot of improvements over Om2008.9, so please try it and
> >> report any error you find.
> >>
> >>
> >> Upgrade howto:
> >>
> >> From Om2008.9 it's recommanded to upgrade with the following steps:
> >>
> >> sed -i -e 's%Om2008.8%testing%' /etc/opkg/*.conf
> >> /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop
> >> screen -DR
> >> opkg update
> >> opkg -force-overwrite upgrade
> >> # (please ans Y to all questions)
> >> # (the sshd (dropbear) will restart, so you need to reconnect and do
> >> # 'screen -DR' again)
> >> opkg upgrade
> >> shutdown -r now
> >>
> >> To get the fastest boot time you also need to remove the following
> >> packages:
> >>
> >> opkg remove task-base-nfs task-base-smbfs task-base-bluetooth \
> >> task-base-usbgadget avahi-daemon avahi-autoipd blueprobe \
> >> usb-gadget-mode portmap exquisite exquisite-theme-freerunner \
> >> exquisite-themes
> >>
> >>
> >> Known issues:
> >>
> >> * GTK redraw problem
> >> * some obsolete kernel modules still left in system
> >> * must remove 'ro' in kernel boot parameter if you use sd boot.
> >> * will purge your incompatible e config, so you might need to set
> >>   stuffs like suspend time again.
> >>
> >>
> >> Echo:
> >>
> >> Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's
> >> impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models.
> >> However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your
> >> neo.  My way is to adjust
> >> control.4 Speaker Playback Volume in
> >> /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state
> >>
> >> the max value is 127, 95 works best on my a5.  With volume level 3 or
> >> 4 in qtopia dialer, the other side can hear no echo while I get good
> >> audio quality.
> >>
> >>
> >> Team update:
> >>
> >> Tick helped to put his touchscreen improvement into stable-tracking,
> >> he will work on opkg internals next.  Olv moved to look into kernel
> >> and fso.  Erin will try bluetooth.  Julian is working on the GTK
> >> redraw issue, please help him out.  Jeremy will fix some qtopia bugs
> >> and keep working on suspend/resume issues.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> John
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Openmoko community mailing list
> >> community at lists.openmoko.org
> >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> > --
> > William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
> > Home in Perth!
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
-- 
William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
Home in Perth!




From larrycow at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 14:24:06 2008
From: larrycow at gmail.com (Olivier Migeot)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:24:06 +0100
Subject: [QTEXTENDED] Very loud noise on (some) incoming calls
Message-ID: <389eeb980812010524haeafba3x41176ac8e8e31def@mail.gmail.com>

I've been using QTE 4.4.2 on my Freerunner for quite some time, now
(almost since it's been released). It works fine, especially because I
don't use it much as a phone (but still a little). For instance, I
have very little to no buzzing problems.

For a couple of weeks, I noticed some very strange things : sometimes
(it looks like it's more likely to happen when the phone haven't been
rebooted for some several days, but then it's only a guess) I got a
very high pitched and loud noise when answering incoming calls.
Usually, I reboot the phone after that (it's so loud and disturbing I
usually remove the battery quickly, for my neighbourhood wouldn't like
it much) and it works fine again.

Any insight on what might cause that, and/or what I can do to further test it?

Thanks.

-- 
Olivier
 M.



From taw27 at cam.ac.uk  Mon Dec  1 14:29:27 2008
From: taw27 at cam.ac.uk (Thomas White)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:29:27 +0000
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <1228137748.26409.24.camel@rattus>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<1228135664.26409.15.camel@rattus>
	<958244340812010451g36c0d199id6967625a90bf797@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228137748.26409.24.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <20081201132927.02aef94b.taw27@cam.ac.uk>

On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:22:28 +0900
William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> wrote:

> openmoocow (old version) started once out of three tries - left me at
> a grey screen otherwise.  

This is really my fault, due to a combination of MooCow's architecture
in that version and the accelerometer driver behaviour.  Try the newer
version - it should work much better.

Tom



From john_lee at openmoko.com  Mon Dec  1 15:08:59 2008
From: john_lee at openmoko.com (John Lee)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:08:59 +0800
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <1228137748.26409.24.camel@rattus>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<1228135664.26409.15.camel@rattus>
	<958244340812010451g36c0d199id6967625a90bf797@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228137748.26409.24.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <20081201140859.GA15760@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>

On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 10:22:28PM +0900, William Kenworthy wrote:
> Thanks, also I was bit too rushed.  I shut down X which allowed me to
> stay logged in and find out that the customisations to get the spanner
> and keyboards had been undone - fixed them and I can now use the phone.
> The suspend time is fixable from the spanner so the settings isnt
> needed.
> 
> Some of my existing apps wont start (pypennotes, ...) so they probably
> need upgrading.  openmoocow (old version) started once out of three
> tries - left me at a grey screen otherwise.  At one point the display
> died and restarted itself when I tapped a blank part of the home screen.
> 
> Fonts and widgets are far too large on apps like pythm, tangogps and the
> like.
> 
> Tried a test call - no audio :(

thanks for the feedback!  that sounds like #2140.  have you tried to
tune up the volume ?

> Probably need to set a profile, but need the settings app for that.
> 
> BillK
> 
> On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 12:51 +0000, Joseph Reeves wrote:
> > I've discovered the same:
> > 
> > https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2148
> > 
> > Joseph
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 2008/12/1 William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:
> > > Loaded it up and it rebooted fine, but isnt usable.
> > >
> > > Ive lost the spanner so I cant configure it
> > >
> > > It goes to sleep automaticly after a few seconds and without the spanner
> > > I cant figure out how to disable it (I see you mention that sleep time
> > > needs to be reset - but how?).  Same if I have it plugged into usb, goes
> > > to sleep while I am logged into it.  The old settings icon is still
> > > present, but does nothing except spin for a few seconds and exits -
> > > tried logging in to faultfind it but - you guessed it, phone went to
> > > sleep.
> > >
> > > Its gone back to the huge icons - a real pain, again I cant see how to
> > > select the smaller ones without the spanner.
> > >
> > > Ive lost the terminal keyboard and only have the crappy ones left -
> > > unusable for anything serious, like trying to use a terminal to fix
> > > things :(
> > >
> > > I'll try an unmodified 2008.9 in a couple of days and see if my changes
> > > to make 2008.9 usable are the cause of the above.
> > >
> > > The good - gsm registered immediately, but then it went to sleep :(
> > >
> > > BillK
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 19:50 +0800, John Lee wrote:
> > >> Dear Community,
> > >>
> > >> As Sushama (our new testing team member) indicated in
> > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003493.html ,
> > >> we won't have a release in Nov.  Currently the testing team is going
> > >> to do a full test on the latest testing image.  It has all the goodies
> > >> we did and a lot of improvements over Om2008.9, so please try it and
> > >> report any error you find.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Upgrade howto:
> > >>
> > >> From Om2008.9 it's recommanded to upgrade with the following steps:
> > >>
> > >> sed -i -e 's%Om2008.8%testing%' /etc/opkg/*.conf
> > >> /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop
> > >> screen -DR
> > >> opkg update
> > >> opkg -force-overwrite upgrade
> > >> # (please ans Y to all questions)
> > >> # (the sshd (dropbear) will restart, so you need to reconnect and do
> > >> # 'screen -DR' again)
> > >> opkg upgrade
> > >> shutdown -r now
> > >>
> > >> To get the fastest boot time you also need to remove the following
> > >> packages:
> > >>
> > >> opkg remove task-base-nfs task-base-smbfs task-base-bluetooth \
> > >> task-base-usbgadget avahi-daemon avahi-autoipd blueprobe \
> > >> usb-gadget-mode portmap exquisite exquisite-theme-freerunner \
> > >> exquisite-themes
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Known issues:
> > >>
> > >> * GTK redraw problem
> > >> * some obsolete kernel modules still left in system
> > >> * must remove 'ro' in kernel boot parameter if you use sd boot.
> > >> * will purge your incompatible e config, so you might need to set
> > >>   stuffs like suspend time again.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Echo:
> > >>
> > >> Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's
> > >> impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models.
> > >> However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your
> > >> neo.  My way is to adjust
> > >> control.4 Speaker Playback Volume in
> > >> /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state
> > >>
> > >> the max value is 127, 95 works best on my a5.  With volume level 3 or
> > >> 4 in qtopia dialer, the other side can hear no echo while I get good
> > >> audio quality.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Team update:
> > >>
> > >> Tick helped to put his touchscreen improvement into stable-tracking,
> > >> he will work on opkg internals next.  Olv moved to look into kernel
> > >> and fso.  Erin will try bluetooth.  Julian is working on the GTK
> > >> redraw issue, please help him out.  Jeremy will fix some qtopia bugs
> > >> and keep working on suspend/resume issues.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> John
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Openmoko community mailing list
> > >> community at lists.openmoko.org
> > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> > > --
> > > William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
> > > Home in Perth!
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Openmoko community mailing list
> > > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> > >
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> -- 
> William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
> Home in Perth!
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



From john_lee at openmoko.com  Mon Dec  1 16:07:15 2008
From: john_lee at openmoko.com (John Lee)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:07:15 +0800
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <1228137748.26409.24.camel@rattus>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<1228135664.26409.15.camel@rattus>
	<958244340812010451g36c0d199id6967625a90bf797@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228137748.26409.24.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <20081201150715.GA4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>

On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 10:22:28PM +0900, William Kenworthy wrote:
> Thanks, also I was bit too rushed.  I shut down X which allowed me to
> stay logged in and find out that the customisations to get the spanner
> and keyboards had been undone - fixed them and I can now use the phone.
> The suspend time is fixable from the spanner so the settings isnt
> needed.
> 
> Some of my existing apps wont start (pypennotes, ...) so they probably
> need upgrading.  openmoocow (old version) started once out of three
> tries - left me at a grey screen otherwise.  At one point the display
> died and restarted itself when I tapped a blank part of the home screen.
> 
> Fonts and widgets are far too large on apps like pythm, tangogps and the
> like.

Just checking:

Do you have moko-gtk-engine and moko-gtk-theme installed ?

> 
> Tried a test call - no audio :(
> Probably need to set a profile, but need the settings app for that.
> 
> BillK
> 
> On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 12:51 +0000, Joseph Reeves wrote:
> > I've discovered the same:
> > 
> > https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2148
> > 
> > Joseph
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 2008/12/1 William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:
> > > Loaded it up and it rebooted fine, but isnt usable.
> > >
> > > Ive lost the spanner so I cant configure it
> > >
> > > It goes to sleep automaticly after a few seconds and without the spanner
> > > I cant figure out how to disable it (I see you mention that sleep time
> > > needs to be reset - but how?).  Same if I have it plugged into usb, goes
> > > to sleep while I am logged into it.  The old settings icon is still
> > > present, but does nothing except spin for a few seconds and exits -
> > > tried logging in to faultfind it but - you guessed it, phone went to
> > > sleep.
> > >
> > > Its gone back to the huge icons - a real pain, again I cant see how to
> > > select the smaller ones without the spanner.
> > >
> > > Ive lost the terminal keyboard and only have the crappy ones left -
> > > unusable for anything serious, like trying to use a terminal to fix
> > > things :(
> > >
> > > I'll try an unmodified 2008.9 in a couple of days and see if my changes
> > > to make 2008.9 usable are the cause of the above.
> > >
> > > The good - gsm registered immediately, but then it went to sleep :(
> > >
> > > BillK
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 19:50 +0800, John Lee wrote:
> > >> Dear Community,
> > >>
> > >> As Sushama (our new testing team member) indicated in
> > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003493.html ,
> > >> we won't have a release in Nov.  Currently the testing team is going
> > >> to do a full test on the latest testing image.  It has all the goodies
> > >> we did and a lot of improvements over Om2008.9, so please try it and
> > >> report any error you find.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Upgrade howto:
> > >>
> > >> From Om2008.9 it's recommanded to upgrade with the following steps:
> > >>
> > >> sed -i -e 's%Om2008.8%testing%' /etc/opkg/*.conf
> > >> /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop
> > >> screen -DR
> > >> opkg update
> > >> opkg -force-overwrite upgrade
> > >> # (please ans Y to all questions)
> > >> # (the sshd (dropbear) will restart, so you need to reconnect and do
> > >> # 'screen -DR' again)
> > >> opkg upgrade
> > >> shutdown -r now
> > >>
> > >> To get the fastest boot time you also need to remove the following
> > >> packages:
> > >>
> > >> opkg remove task-base-nfs task-base-smbfs task-base-bluetooth \
> > >> task-base-usbgadget avahi-daemon avahi-autoipd blueprobe \
> > >> usb-gadget-mode portmap exquisite exquisite-theme-freerunner \
> > >> exquisite-themes
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Known issues:
> > >>
> > >> * GTK redraw problem
> > >> * some obsolete kernel modules still left in system
> > >> * must remove 'ro' in kernel boot parameter if you use sd boot.
> > >> * will purge your incompatible e config, so you might need to set
> > >>   stuffs like suspend time again.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Echo:
> > >>
> > >> Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's
> > >> impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models.
> > >> However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your
> > >> neo.  My way is to adjust
> > >> control.4 Speaker Playback Volume in
> > >> /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state
> > >>
> > >> the max value is 127, 95 works best on my a5.  With volume level 3 or
> > >> 4 in qtopia dialer, the other side can hear no echo while I get good
> > >> audio quality.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Team update:
> > >>
> > >> Tick helped to put his touchscreen improvement into stable-tracking,
> > >> he will work on opkg internals next.  Olv moved to look into kernel
> > >> and fso.  Erin will try bluetooth.  Julian is working on the GTK
> > >> redraw issue, please help him out.  Jeremy will fix some qtopia bugs
> > >> and keep working on suspend/resume issues.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> John
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Openmoko community mailing list
> > >> community at lists.openmoko.org
> > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> > > --
> > > William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
> > > Home in Perth!
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Openmoko community mailing list
> > > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> > >
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> -- 
> William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
> Home in Perth!
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



From iknowjoseph at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 16:31:03 2008
From: iknowjoseph at gmail.com (Joseph Reeves)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:31:03 +0000
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <20081201150715.GA4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<1228135664.26409.15.camel@rattus>
	<958244340812010451g36c0d199id6967625a90bf797@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228137748.26409.24.camel@rattus>
	<20081201150715.GA4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <958244340812010731g754ca8e2g7e2797eca8643fd5@mail.gmail.com>

I've got:

root at om-gta02:~# opkg status moko-gtk-engine
Package: moko-gtk-engine
Version: 0.1.0+svnr4734-r0
Depends: moko-gtk-theme, gtk+ (>= 2.12.11), libatk-1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0),
pango (>= 1.18.3), libcairo2 (>= 1.6.4), libgobject-2.0-0 (>= 2.16.4),
libgmodule-2.0-0 (>= 2.16.4), libc6 (>= 2.6.1), libglib-2.0-0 (>=
2.16.4)
Status: install user installed
Architecture: armv4t

root at om-gta02:~#

And TangoGPS looks fine.

There seems to be a strange problem with gtk apps that, when first
loaded, they appear to freeze, but if you go back to "home" then
select the open app from the top drop down list again, they work fine.
It's an odd one to reproduce though, so I won't file a ticket yet.

Joseph



2008/12/1 John Lee <john_lee at openmoko.com>:
> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 10:22:28PM +0900, William Kenworthy wrote:
>> Thanks, also I was bit too rushed.  I shut down X which allowed me to
>> stay logged in and find out that the customisations to get the spanner
>> and keyboards had been undone - fixed them and I can now use the phone.
>> The suspend time is fixable from the spanner so the settings isnt
>> needed.
>>
>> Some of my existing apps wont start (pypennotes, ...) so they probably
>> need upgrading.  openmoocow (old version) started once out of three
>> tries - left me at a grey screen otherwise.  At one point the display
>> died and restarted itself when I tapped a blank part of the home screen.
>>
>> Fonts and widgets are far too large on apps like pythm, tangogps and the
>> like.
>
> Just checking:
>
> Do you have moko-gtk-engine and moko-gtk-theme installed ?
>
>>
>> Tried a test call - no audio :(
>> Probably need to set a profile, but need the settings app for that.
>>
>> BillK
>>
>> On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 12:51 +0000, Joseph Reeves wrote:
>> > I've discovered the same:
>> >
>> > https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2148
>> >
>> > Joseph
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2008/12/1 William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:
>> > > Loaded it up and it rebooted fine, but isnt usable.
>> > >
>> > > Ive lost the spanner so I cant configure it
>> > >
>> > > It goes to sleep automaticly after a few seconds and without the spanner
>> > > I cant figure out how to disable it (I see you mention that sleep time
>> > > needs to be reset - but how?).  Same if I have it plugged into usb, goes
>> > > to sleep while I am logged into it.  The old settings icon is still
>> > > present, but does nothing except spin for a few seconds and exits -
>> > > tried logging in to faultfind it but - you guessed it, phone went to
>> > > sleep.
>> > >
>> > > Its gone back to the huge icons - a real pain, again I cant see how to
>> > > select the smaller ones without the spanner.
>> > >
>> > > Ive lost the terminal keyboard and only have the crappy ones left -
>> > > unusable for anything serious, like trying to use a terminal to fix
>> > > things :(
>> > >
>> > > I'll try an unmodified 2008.9 in a couple of days and see if my changes
>> > > to make 2008.9 usable are the cause of the above.
>> > >
>> > > The good - gsm registered immediately, but then it went to sleep :(
>> > >
>> > > BillK
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 19:50 +0800, John Lee wrote:
>> > >> Dear Community,
>> > >>
>> > >> As Sushama (our new testing team member) indicated in
>> > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003493.html ,
>> > >> we won't have a release in Nov.  Currently the testing team is going
>> > >> to do a full test on the latest testing image.  It has all the goodies
>> > >> we did and a lot of improvements over Om2008.9, so please try it and
>> > >> report any error you find.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Upgrade howto:
>> > >>
>> > >> From Om2008.9 it's recommanded to upgrade with the following steps:
>> > >>
>> > >> sed -i -e 's%Om2008.8%testing%' /etc/opkg/*.conf
>> > >> /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop
>> > >> screen -DR
>> > >> opkg update
>> > >> opkg -force-overwrite upgrade
>> > >> # (please ans Y to all questions)
>> > >> # (the sshd (dropbear) will restart, so you need to reconnect and do
>> > >> # 'screen -DR' again)
>> > >> opkg upgrade
>> > >> shutdown -r now
>> > >>
>> > >> To get the fastest boot time you also need to remove the following
>> > >> packages:
>> > >>
>> > >> opkg remove task-base-nfs task-base-smbfs task-base-bluetooth \
>> > >> task-base-usbgadget avahi-daemon avahi-autoipd blueprobe \
>> > >> usb-gadget-mode portmap exquisite exquisite-theme-freerunner \
>> > >> exquisite-themes
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Known issues:
>> > >>
>> > >> * GTK redraw problem
>> > >> * some obsolete kernel modules still left in system
>> > >> * must remove 'ro' in kernel boot parameter if you use sd boot.
>> > >> * will purge your incompatible e config, so you might need to set
>> > >>   stuffs like suspend time again.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Echo:
>> > >>
>> > >> Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's
>> > >> impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models.
>> > >> However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your
>> > >> neo.  My way is to adjust
>> > >> control.4 Speaker Playback Volume in
>> > >> /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state
>> > >>
>> > >> the max value is 127, 95 works best on my a5.  With volume level 3 or
>> > >> 4 in qtopia dialer, the other side can hear no echo while I get good
>> > >> audio quality.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Team update:
>> > >>
>> > >> Tick helped to put his touchscreen improvement into stable-tracking,
>> > >> he will work on opkg internals next.  Olv moved to look into kernel
>> > >> and fso.  Erin will try bluetooth.  Julian is working on the GTK
>> > >> redraw issue, please help him out.  Jeremy will fix some qtopia bugs
>> > >> and keep working on suspend/resume issues.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Regards,
>> > >> John
>> > >>
>> > >> _______________________________________________
>> > >> Openmoko community mailing list
>> > >> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>> > > --
>> > > William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
>> > > Home in Perth!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Openmoko community mailing list
>> > > community at lists.openmoko.org
>> > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>> > >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Openmoko community mailing list
>> > community at lists.openmoko.org
>> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>> --
>> William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
>> Home in Perth!
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



From taw27 at cam.ac.uk  Mon Dec  1 16:36:55 2008
From: taw27 at cam.ac.uk (Thomas White)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:36:55 +0000
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <958244340812010731g754ca8e2g7e2797eca8643fd5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<1228135664.26409.15.camel@rattus>
	<958244340812010451g36c0d199id6967625a90bf797@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228137748.26409.24.camel@rattus>
	<20081201150715.GA4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
	<958244340812010731g754ca8e2g7e2797eca8643fd5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081201153655.df72ff4f.taw27@cam.ac.uk>

On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:31:03 +0000
"Joseph Reeves" <iknowjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:

> There seems to be a strange problem with gtk apps that, when first
> loaded, they appear to freeze, but if you go back to "home" then
> select the open app from the top drop down list again, they work fine.
> It's an odd one to reproduce though, so I won't file a ticket yet.

That's exactly bug #1946, so no need to file a ticket...
https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1946

Tom



From photogeekmtl at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 16:51:22 2008
From: photogeekmtl at gmail.com (Warren Baird)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:51:22 -0500
Subject: [QTEXTENDED] Very loud noise on (some) incoming calls
In-Reply-To: <389eeb980812010524haeafba3x41176ac8e8e31def@mail.gmail.com>
References: <389eeb980812010524haeafba3x41176ac8e8e31def@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b66a83e00812010751q7e2b96ddu99e7df447c3034a7@mail.gmail.com>

I'm also using QTE 4.4.2, and I get this behaviour consistently after I
configure a gprs internet connection.  On Saturday I noticed it for the
first time without trying to configure a gprs connection - but I'm not sure
what triggered it.  I normally try to reboot every couple of days, but
hadn't in a while...   It was fine after a reboot...

I guess you just need to pretend the FR is a windows box and reboot it every
couple of days... :-)

Warren


On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Olivier Migeot <larrycow at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been using QTE 4.4.2 on my Freerunner for quite some time, now
> (almost since it's been released). It works fine, especially because I
> don't use it much as a phone (but still a little). For instance, I
> have very little to no buzzing problems.
>
> For a couple of weeks, I noticed some very strange things : sometimes
> (it looks like it's more likely to happen when the phone haven't been
> rebooted for some several days, but then it's only a guess) I got a
> very high pitched and loud noise when answering incoming calls.
> Usually, I reboot the phone after that (it's so loud and disturbing I
> usually remove the battery quickly, for my neighbourhood wouldn't like
> it much) and it works fine again.
>
> Any insight on what might cause that, and/or what I can do to further test
> it?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Olivier
>  M.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From mlist at japina.eu  Mon Dec  1 17:18:40 2008
From: mlist at japina.eu (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Bo=B9tjan_Jerko?=)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:18:40 +0100
Subject: [debian/fso] Re: zhone and sms
In-Reply-To: <op.ulbqboy541evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <F86D86F1-7140-43E3-847A-F1705519451B@japina.eu>
	<op.ulbqboy541evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <DE02F6CB-67B2-4BAC-AA13-614ED9FEC597@japina.eu>


On 28.11.2008, at 11:05, arne anka wrote:
>
> dunno.
> but to help, enable logging to file in framework.conf, open a bug at  
> the
> fso trac and append the log (remove any private information before,  
> like
> phone numbers and the sms content).

Do you mean that I should check zhone.log?

Bo?tjan


From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Mon Dec  1 17:24:09 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:24:09 +0100
Subject: [debian/fso] Re: zhone and sms
In-Reply-To: <DE02F6CB-67B2-4BAC-AA13-614ED9FEC597@japina.eu>
References: <F86D86F1-7140-43E3-847A-F1705519451B@japina.eu>
	<op.ulbqboy541evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<DE02F6CB-67B2-4BAC-AA13-614ED9FEC597@japina.eu>
Message-ID: <op.ulhrujam41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

> Do you mean that I should check zhone.log?

no, the log file you configured for frameworkd. see /etc/frameworkd.conf.



From larrycow at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 17:29:43 2008
From: larrycow at gmail.com (Olivier Migeot)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:29:43 +0100
Subject: [QTEXTENDED] Very loud noise on (some) incoming calls
In-Reply-To: <b66a83e00812010751q7e2b96ddu99e7df447c3034a7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <389eeb980812010524haeafba3x41176ac8e8e31def@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00812010751q7e2b96ddu99e7df447c3034a7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <389eeb980812010829y32effb2fs4ae364059f74bc2b@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Warren Baird <photogeekmtl at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm also using QTE 4.4.2, and I get this behaviour consistently after I
> configure a gprs internet connection.  On Saturday I noticed it for the
> first time without trying to configure a gprs connection - but I'm not sure
> what triggered it.  I normally try to reboot every couple of days, but
> hadn't in a while...   It was fine after a reboot...
>
> I guess you just need to pretend the FR is a windows box and reboot it every
> couple of days... :-)

Well, thanks for your answer, at least I'm not alone :)

I can state the GPRS connection isn't the (only) reason, for I never
configured any on my phone.

Rebooting is a quick-fix, but without knowing how often one should do
it, it's kinda pointless :/

Regards,

-- 
Olivier
 M.



From cyberfrag at gmx.net  Mon Dec  1 17:31:37 2008
From: cyberfrag at gmx.net (Andreas Fischer)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:31:37 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
Message-ID: <49341169.9010006@gmx.net>

Hi John, All,

Just upgraded from 2008.9. Things to mention:
- Boot time decreased. A lot! Thumbs up and a great "Thank you" for that :)
- Also, startup time for applications (dialer) seems to have decreased.
- As mentioned elsewhere, Enlightenment configuration was reset to not
show the spanner and as the settings utility is unusable and the phone
tends to suspend after 31 seconds, it is pretty unusable until one
switches Enlightenment themes according to
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Toggle (bottom of the page).
- Even after disabling suspend I am having problems. In particular I am
now experiencing WSoD even after screen blank (probably bug #2115:
https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2115 ). I suppose I need to
disable screen blank too for now?

Nevertheless, even though there are problems it's good to see progress.
Keep up the good work.

Regards,
Andreas

John Lee wrote:
> Dear Community,
> 
> As Sushama (our new testing team member) indicated in
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003493.html ,
> we won't have a release in Nov.  Currently the testing team is going
> to do a full test on the latest testing image.  It has all the goodies
> we did and a lot of improvements over Om2008.9, so please try it and
> report any error you find.
> 
> 
> Upgrade howto:
> 
>>From Om2008.9 it's recommanded to upgrade with the following steps:
> 
> sed -i -e 's%Om2008.8%testing%' /etc/opkg/*.conf
> /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop
> screen -DR
> opkg update
> opkg -force-overwrite upgrade
> # (please ans Y to all questions)
> # (the sshd (dropbear) will restart, so you need to reconnect and do
> # 'screen -DR' again)
> opkg upgrade
> shutdown -r now
> 
> To get the fastest boot time you also need to remove the following
> packages:
> 
> opkg remove task-base-nfs task-base-smbfs task-base-bluetooth \
> task-base-usbgadget avahi-daemon avahi-autoipd blueprobe \
> usb-gadget-mode portmap exquisite exquisite-theme-freerunner \
> exquisite-themes
> 
> 
> Known issues:
> 
> * GTK redraw problem
> * some obsolete kernel modules still left in system
> * must remove 'ro' in kernel boot parameter if you use sd boot.
> * will purge your incompatible e config, so you might need to set
>   stuffs like suspend time again.
> 
> 
> Echo:
> 
> Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's
> impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models.
> However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your
> neo.  My way is to adjust
> control.4 Speaker Playback Volume in
> /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state
> 
> the max value is 127, 95 works best on my a5.  With volume level 3 or
> 4 in qtopia dialer, the other side can hear no echo while I get good
> audio quality.
> 
> 
> Team update:
> 
> Tick helped to put his touchscreen improvement into stable-tracking,
> he will work on opkg internals next.  Olv moved to look into kernel
> and fso.  Erin will try bluetooth.  Julian is working on the GTK
> redraw issue, please help him out.  Jeremy will fix some qtopia bugs
> and keep working on suspend/resume issues.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> John
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community




From iknowjoseph at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 17:36:56 2008
From: iknowjoseph at gmail.com (Joseph Reeves)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:36:56 +0000
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <20081201153655.df72ff4f.taw27@cam.ac.uk>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<1228135664.26409.15.camel@rattus>
	<958244340812010451g36c0d199id6967625a90bf797@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228137748.26409.24.camel@rattus>
	<20081201150715.GA4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
	<958244340812010731g754ca8e2g7e2797eca8643fd5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081201153655.df72ff4f.taw27@cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <958244340812010836j59072ce9o64bfcfa18a0997bc@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Tom,

Looks like _the_ big problem I've come across is well known to a fair
few people.

Cheers,

Joseph



2008/12/1 Thomas White <taw27 at cam.ac.uk>:
> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:31:03 +0000
> "Joseph Reeves" <iknowjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There seems to be a strange problem with gtk apps that, when first
>> loaded, they appear to freeze, but if you go back to "home" then
>> select the open app from the top drop down list again, they work fine.
>> It's an odd one to reproduce though, so I won't file a ticket yet.
>
> That's exactly bug #1946, so no need to file a ticket...
> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1946
>
> Tom
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



From mlist at japina.eu  Mon Dec  1 18:19:23 2008
From: mlist at japina.eu (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Bo=B9tjan_Jerko?=)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:19:23 +0100
Subject: [debian/fso] Re: zhone and sms
In-Reply-To: <op.ulhrujam41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <F86D86F1-7140-43E3-847A-F1705519451B@japina.eu>
	<op.ulbqboy541evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<DE02F6CB-67B2-4BAC-AA13-614ED9FEC597@japina.eu>
	<op.ulhrujam41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <78E4D1A0-7BF9-4B82-BB35-1C108B1B23FA@japina.eu>

>
> no, the log file you configured for frameworkd. see /etc/ 
> frameworkd.conf.
>

OK. I've tried to uncomment log_to=syslog and the FR hanged on the  
"connecting w/ dbus".
The same happens if I add VERBOSE=yes.

Bo?tjan


From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Mon Dec  1 18:26:47 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:26:47 +0100
Subject: [debian/fso] Re: zhone and sms
In-Reply-To: <78E4D1A0-7BF9-4B82-BB35-1C108B1B23FA@japina.eu>
References: <F86D86F1-7140-43E3-847A-F1705519451B@japina.eu>
	<op.ulbqboy541evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<DE02F6CB-67B2-4BAC-AA13-614ED9FEC597@japina.eu>
	<op.ulhrujam41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<78E4D1A0-7BF9-4B82-BB35-1C108B1B23FA@japina.eu>
Message-ID: <op.ulhuqxqu41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

> OK. I've tried to uncomment log_to=syslog and the FR hanged on the
> "connecting w/ dbus".
> The same happens if I add VERBOSE=yes.

you've got most likely no syslog installed.
configure a file somewhere where it survives reboot (and bear in mind that  
it grows fast).



From brian.code at koolu.com  Mon Dec  1 18:54:29 2008
From: brian.code at koolu.com (Brian Code)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:54:29 -0600
Subject: Android on Freerunner from Koolu...
Message-ID: <c5d075560812010954x32f783bdt4cd725ece7c60e4b@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings all,

I just wanted to give a quick update on the status of Android on the
Freerunner as supported by Koolu. Currently we are looking at licensing
issues with respect to the global market with particular reference to the
media codecs included in Android, but are still making great progress on an
image for distribution. Ironically, this puts us in a situation where it
will be easier for us to release actual source code, build tools and
instructions, before actual binary images. We will be announcing everything
tomorrow from a telecommunications conference in Brazil.

In the last two years of working with Koolu, I have had the opportunity of
being in direct tutelage of Jon "Maddog" Hall, which has helped shape my
views on open source. With his permission, I am posting the message below on
his behalf to insure that it made it to the community list.

Best regards,
Brian Code



Greetings to the list,

First of all, I might say the the role of "Chief Advocate" for Openmoko was
the idea of the conference organizers, not me.  I was happy to be either the
CTO of Koolu or the Executive Director of Linux International, but since I
was at the conference at the request of Openmoko, and since I was on a panel
representing the "openness" of their philosophy, the organizers wanted a
title that reflected that...

Secondly, Koolu does "work" with Openmoko in many ways, so I did not
"indicate" that we were working together.  We are working together.

Third, I am an "open source advocate", actually leaning toward "Free
Software".  But I am also a pragmatist, and there are some times when you
have to tread lightly with "openness" until you  find out what is going on.

So a short time ago Google released a massive amount of code called
"Android".  Since Koolu was not part of the Open Handset Alliance we could
only look at it from the outside like a lot of other people.  Recently an
issue was brought up regarding patent royalties due on various codecs inside
of the code.  Even though the code itself is under the Apache license, in
various jursidictions royalties have to be paid on the distribution of that
code due to patents that are infringed.

Sometimes a lot of these royalties are bunded with the hardware, so software
people do not really have to recognize them.

Some distributions of Linux get around this by writing code that allows for
these royalty-bearing segments to be dynamically linked separately from a
code build.  Ubuntu and Debian both do this
as distributions.

Unfortunately we found that while the royalty bearing code for Android was
in a separate source code directory, the code could not be built without
that royalty bearing code being included in the binaries.

This created the issue of Openmoko removing the binaries from their server.
In my opinion they did the right thing.  Rather than jeoprodise Android,
Openmoko and Google, they temporarily removed the offending code.  I say
"temporarily" because I feel that once the issue is completely understood
there will be a work-around that will allow open source developers to move
ahead.

In the meantime our team of programmers is working on the issue.  We are
talking with the companies that originally wrote the code trying to
understand the exact use of it, and we are talking with the licensing
agencies to understand the implications.  I am encouraging the company that
first introduced the multimedia codecs to work with the Open Handset
Alliance to identify these areas and other potentially royalty-bearing areas
that might affect Android, and to make them more visible, so people can
understand and deal with them.

I can not speak entirely for the company of Koolu.  While I am the CTO, I am
not a major stockholder nor a director of the company.  I can tell you that
Andrew Greig, the CEO and Brian Code, the Technical Director both know,
understand and appreciate Open Source.  As far as I know it is the intention
of Koolu to contribute back the changes that we make to the Android code to
the community.  Koolu understands the leverage that is inherent in Open
Source.

Recently we made some announcements of timeframes for putting the code up on
the web.  Those were formulated before we knew about this royalty "issue",
but our intent is to proceed as fast as possible to meet those goals.

I hope this answers people's questions and issues around this.

Warmest regards,

maddog
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From tanuva at googlemail.com  Mon Dec  1 19:19:04 2008
From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:19:04 +0100
Subject: Compatible earphones ...
In-Reply-To: <m37i6kf6ls.fsf@verona.se>
References: <1228131112.26409.3.camel@rattus> <m37i6kf6ls.fsf@verona.se>
Message-ID: <200812011919.04508.tanuva@gmail.com>

Am Monday 01 December 2008 13:00:15 schrieb joakim at verona.se:
> William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> writes:
> > Just broke my freerunners original headset.  Is there a list of
> > compatible models? - not much thats useful on the wiki that Ive been
> > able to find  Just that some Nokia smartphone models will work ...
> >
> > Looking more for a headset rather than the original earbuds.
> >
> > BillK
>
> Try to keep the broken headset around anyway. It can be useful to solder
> a headphone jack to it so you can use whatever headphones you like with
> it. The 2.5mm 4-pole plug seems hard to come by.

And please add your results to [1] when you've got something working! :)

[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Headset

--
Marcel



From hns at computer.org  Mon Dec  1 19:57:10 2008
From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:57:10 +0100
Subject: VAT decrease == cheaper freerunners
In-Reply-To: <200812011102.59427.ant@truebox.co.uk>
References: <200812011102.59427.ant@truebox.co.uk>
Message-ID: <923AEC5C-BF78-4000-803B-DDD956048838@computer.org>

Unfortunately,
Germany did not (yet?) reduce VAT...

So we have to stay at 349 EUR incl. 19 %.
http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner

If they reduce, we will as well...

Nikolaus


Am 01.12.2008 um 12:02 schrieb Antony King:

> Hi all,
>
> Just a quick plug to say we've updated our shop with the new VAT  
> rate in the
> UK; total price including 15% VAT and courier delivery to UK is now  
> ?330.05 .
>
> Shop is here:
>
> https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=shop&thiscat=8
>
> We've also got some batteries in for ?16 + vat.
>
> Antony.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community









From dscaini at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 20:56:17 2008
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:56:17 +0100
Subject: [debian] sources
Message-ID: <18db98c80812011156o7a3ee2bexe3d37af6d3cad3a9@mail.gmail.com>

deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian unstable main
deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian experimental main
deb http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main

is it possible to have something less "dangerous" for everyday life? ;-)
thanks
d
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From hns at computer.org  Mon Dec  1 21:21:00 2008
From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:21:00 +0100
Subject: VAT decrease == cheaper freerunners
In-Reply-To: <923AEC5C-BF78-4000-803B-DDD956048838@computer.org>
References: <200812011102.59427.ant@truebox.co.uk>
	<923AEC5C-BF78-4000-803B-DDD956048838@computer.org>
Message-ID: <42FFF1E2-1C0B-422B-BE12-BF84206EEA6A@computer.org>

I should add that we also have some Accessories.  So if you are  
looking for an Xmas present to extend your Freerunner ;)

http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner%3AAccessories



Am 01.12.2008 um 19:57 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:

> Unfortunately,
> Germany did not (yet?) reduce VAT...
>
> So we have to stay at 349 EUR incl. 19 %.
> http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner
>
> If they reduce, we will as well...



From skerit at kipdola.com  Mon Dec  1 21:24:08 2008
From: skerit at kipdola.com (Jelle De Loecker)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:24:08 +0100
Subject: SHR applications on Debian
Message-ID: <1228163048.10634.786.camel@KIP-DU-SKER>

Hi everyone,

I'm not requesting any packages of the SHR applications for debian, I
want to make them myself. (The applications, not the packages)

I thought I'd just follow the build instructions on SHR's trac, but I'm
not sure if that's the way to go.

It talks more about building an image on a desktop instead of
applications on a freerunner.

So, is there another way, or are the build instructions correct?

Greetings,
Jelle De Loecker




From nomeata at debian.org  Mon Dec  1 21:32:04 2008
From: nomeata at debian.org (Joachim Breitner)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:32:04 +0100
Subject: [debian] sources
In-Reply-To: <18db98c80812011156o7a3ee2bexe3d37af6d3cad3a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18db98c80812011156o7a3ee2bexe3d37af6d3cad3a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228163524.3459.51.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>

Hi,

Am Montag, den 01.12.2008, 20:56 +0100 schrieb Davide Scaini:
> deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian unstable main
> deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian experimental main
> deb http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main
> 
> is it possible to have something less "dangerous" for everyday
> life? ;-) thanks

You can of course install Debian stable on your FreeRunner, but it won?t
contain any OpenMoko-specific software.

And I wouldn?t consider unstabe exactly dangerous ? I?m using it since
over 6 years on my work machine.

Greetings,
Joachim

-- 
Joachim "nomeata" Breitner
Debian Developer
  nomeata at debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C
  JID: nomeata at joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata
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From nomeata at debian.org  Mon Dec  1 21:33:59 2008
From: nomeata at debian.org (Joachim Breitner)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:33:59 +0100
Subject: SHR applications on Debian
In-Reply-To: <1228163048.10634.786.camel@KIP-DU-SKER>
References: <1228163048.10634.786.camel@KIP-DU-SKER>
Message-ID: <1228163639.3459.54.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>

Hi,

Am Montag, den 01.12.2008, 21:24 +0100 schrieb Jelle De Loecker:
> I'm not requesting any packages of the SHR applications for debian, I
> want to make them myself. (The applications, not the packages)
> 
> I thought I'd just follow the build instructions on SHR's trac, but I'm
> not sure if that's the way to go.
> 
> It talks more about building an image on a desktop instead of
> applications on a freerunner.
> 
> So, is there another way, or are the build instructions correct?

the Debian way of building something is always ?on? the machine (so
either the FreeRunner, or an armel qemu image which might be faster).
There, you can just build the SHR apps using the regular
$ ./configure && make && make install
step.

I have started to package SHR for Debian, but it misses some
enlightenmen libraries that will be packaged by the pkg-e team
eventually, but just hasn?t been done yet.

Greetings,
Joachim

-- 
Joachim "nomeata" Breitner
Debian Developer
  nomeata at debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C
  JID: nomeata at joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata
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From haduong at centre-cired.fr  Mon Dec  1 22:05:20 2008
From: haduong at centre-cired.fr (Minh Ha Duong)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:05:20 +0100
Subject: Community update, Dec. 1st, 2008
Message-ID: <200812012205.20986.haduong@centre-cired.fr>

Dear friends,

Good evening/day/afternoon (whatever your TZ is). This is our sixth "community 
community update". Congratulations to Val?rio, he won the first 24h-coding 
prize at Sapo Codebits by turning freerunner in a mouse and gamepad using the 
accelerometers. Code will be merged with ReMoko. Another month goes by 
without a 2008.x release, but Openmoko's optimization team invites volunteers 
to install the latest testing image and report. And we have lots of newer 
applications.

Contents (read the hypertext version at :
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/December_1st%2C_2008 )

    * 1 Applications
    * 2 Distributions
    * 3 Hardware
    * 4 Kernel and bootloaders
    * 5 Community

[edit] Applications

    * A new Pong game.
    * Newrotate 0.5 is out, uses really little CPU now.
    * Gtkaddpoi 0.5 : software to add a Point Of Interest to TangoGPS.
    * neoqplayer 0.1 : codenamed frog. A media player that conserves CPU 
cycles.
    * First release of TwitterMoko, a twitter client for openmoko.
    * ShortOm 0.2 : an application/shell launcher.
    * openmoko-panel-plugin 0.6 : support for fso frameworkd milestone 4.
    * Unison works. It is a file-synchronization tool for Unix and Windows. It 
determines all differences between two directory trees and lets the user 
decide, how to proceed with every differing file.
    * OpenMooCow 0.2. Mooes more, runs headless, tickleable.
    * AaTerm, an improved openmoko-terminal2.
    * Azmodie proposed a solution for right and middle clicking: Use the gnome 
accessibility tool mousetweaks (.deb).
    * Auxlaunch 0.6, a finger-friendly app launcher and window switcher. 
Bugfixes/integration update. 

[edit] Distributions

    * SHR: a newer snapshot is available.
    * ASU: The official 2008.9 image is back online without the questionable 
audio codecs. This month's 2008.11 is not going to see the light, but here 
are instructions to install the current 2008.testing build. It has all the 
goodies from optimization team (read their progress report, previous 
reports), i.e. about 1 minute boot and Volume control during call... The bug 
count is decreasing in the latest testing report. See also the previous 
testing report hardware revision A7 with capacitor was declared good for mess 
production ;).
    * For Android: Walter Chang made a soft keyboard. Rui Castro implemented 
an OnScreen Keyboard. It was immediately included in Sean's image, to be 
released at the usual page without mp3 support soon. Koolu posted an update 
on their release plans: they too are busy dealing with the audio codecs IP 
issue.
    * Following a post on the French wiki, the Distribution page was updated 
by adding FIVE new distros: Hackable:1, NeoPwn, RunningBear, Poky and PyNeo. 

[edit] Hardware

    * For an armband to hold the Freerunner while exercising, Gilles Casse 
recommends the UMC-3 from Case Logic.
    * Patrick Beck grafted a light on a miniusb - connector, to make an 
OpenMoko flash light. More lumens the bright white screen one get with the 
Flashlight script.
    * The official fix for buzzing is to add a 100uF capacity here and replace 
one resistor there. Technical details to be published in an Openmoko rework 
SOP paper. The company is looking at how to fix *all* devices sold.
    * The Calypso GSM firmware moko10 was released, it fixes ticket 666 for 
those users with 3G SIM cards. A few Indiana Jones types did try and follow 
the wiki instructions to reflash, most with success, some with hubris (def: 
excessive pride). For the rest of us, a user-friendly installer is being 
prepared. 

[edit] Kernel and bootloaders

Big bad bug of the month prize goes to ticket 1841 white screen of death 
(WSOD) after resume. This bug shows itself only by cold weather! Nicolas 
Dufresne found out that the culprit was probably a too tight timing in the 
JBT driver. Hopefully this will be fixed soon now, and we can all switch to 
Linux 2.6.28 happily everafter. Developers must read Andy's explanations 
about kernel branch management.

    * Preview upcoming changes to the /sys directory.
    * Improvements to the touchscreen, backlight and accelerometer kernel 
drivers.
    * Qi gets lots of GTA03 love, audio back and a memory test ability (called 
when there are no valid kernels).
    * The opkg package manager was patched to cache downloaded files. 

[edit] Community

    * Removed the tagcloud extension that messed up with page formatting.
    * There are many links to nice Ringtones on the wiki, but the page and the 
whole topic need a good overhaul.
    * GnuPhone here we come: Sten Kvamme explains how to make a call from the 
command line (on FSO).
    * For your pleasure, here is the OpenMoko Jokes page. Thanks to the 
community, keep them coming ;) We (Coolcat and I) are also thinking about 
adding a pic of the week to the homepage, so stay tuned.
    * Courtesy of Dale Maggee, here and here are a few funny splash screens. 
Note that you already trust Dale if you are using neotool to flash your Neo.
    * A few brave souls signed up to start a 3D driver for Glamo. 

Yours,
Minh



From skerit at kipdola.com  Mon Dec  1 22:08:57 2008
From: skerit at kipdola.com (Jelle De Loecker)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:08:57 +0100
Subject: SHR applications on Debian
In-Reply-To: <1228163639.3459.54.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
References: <1228163048.10634.786.camel@KIP-DU-SKER>
	<1228163639.3459.54.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
Message-ID: <1228165737.10634.789.camel@KIP-DU-SKER>

Op maandag 01-12-2008 om 21:33 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Joachim
Breitner:
> Hi,
> 
> Am Montag, den 01.12.2008, 21:24 +0100 schrieb Jelle De Loecker:
> > I'm not requesting any packages of the SHR applications for debian, I
> > want to make them myself. (The applications, not the packages)
> > 
> > 
> > So, is there another way, or are the build instructions correct?
> 
> the Debian way of building something is always ?on? the machine (so
> either the FreeRunner, or an armel qemu image which might be faster).
> There, you can just build the SHR apps using the regular
> $ ./configure && make && make install
> step.
> 
> I have started to package SHR for Debian, but it misses some
> enlightenmen libraries that will be packaged by the pkg-e team
> eventually, but just hasn?t been done yet.
> 
> Greetings,
> Joachim

Great! When I finally discover why the phone completely freezes when
downloading a bunch of files I'll give it a go!





From audriusa at bluewin.ch  Mon Dec  1 22:11:19 2008
From: audriusa at bluewin.ch (Audrius Meskauskas)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:11:19 +0100
Subject: Windows on openmoko?
In-Reply-To: <492A38DD.1060207@piradio.org>
References: <815cb1720811231549j3faefc57v443b53dc17c074ee@mail.gmail.com>	<4929EE52.5060902@googlemail.com>	<1227486504.3279.72.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
	<492A38DD.1060207@piradio.org>
Message-ID: <493452F7.7050504@bluewin.ch>

Maybe somebody is porting ReactOS to it already?

Audrius



From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Mon Dec  1 22:29:48 2008
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:29:48 +0000
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
Message-ID: <49dd78620812011329w37b09629v5d4c971605d5c926@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/30 John Lee <john_lee at openmoko.com>:
>
> Echo:
>
> Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's
> impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models.
> However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your
> neo.  My way is to adjust
> control.4 Speaker Playback Volume in
> /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state
>
> the max value is 127, 95 works best on my a5.  With volume level 3 or
> 4 in qtopia dialer, the other side can hear no echo while I get good
> audio quality.

Apologies in advance for what may be a dumb question - but does this
statement represent the conclusion of your team's work on audio issues
(buzz/echo/hiss etc.)?  Or is there further work ongoing?

I very much hope the latter.  At the very least, I feel we need a
definitive and full description from your team of what the issues are,
and the best available solutions (hardware and/or software) for them.
If some of those solutions are version (a5, a6, ...) dependent, then
they must include precise instructions on how an Openmoko user can
determine which version they have.

Once that description is available, either you or someone else can
turn it into some kind of code or package, so that we can all take
advantage of it.

I know there is already a lot of google-able data on this, but in my
view this is not useful even for an experienced user/programmer, as
- it is all reported anecdotally and subjectively
- there is simply too much of it to digest.
So the detailed status needs to come from your team.  I also assume
(hope!) that you must have equipment specifically for detecting and
measuring such audio effects, so I expect you can do a much better job
of optimizing whatever needs to be optimized than all of us
enthusiasts who don't have that equipment.

Best wishes,
    Neil



From david at electric-spoon.com  Mon Dec  1 22:31:15 2008
From: david at electric-spoon.com (David Pottage)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:31:15 +0000
Subject: auxlaunch ver 0.6
In-Reply-To: <5933f39c0811301524n1f41a8ddm5766b1c06f7135fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5933f39c0811301524n1f41a8ddm5766b1c06f7135fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812012131.15612.david@electric-spoon.com>

On Sunday 30 November 2008 23:24:07 Al Iasid wrote:

> Here's info on an update to "auxlaunch", (finger-friendly
> app launcher and window switcher). Download at [1] and
> wiki page at [2]. Version 0.6 changes include:
> [...]

Sounds interesting, would you care to mention which distro it is for?

From the screen shots it looks like ASU, but it would be nice to know for 
sure.





From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Mon Dec  1 22:32:34 2008
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:32:34 +0000
Subject: Compatible earphones ...
In-Reply-To: <200812011919.04508.tanuva@gmail.com>
References: <1228131112.26409.3.camel@rattus> <m37i6kf6ls.fsf@verona.se>
	<200812011919.04508.tanuva@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812012132.34914.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Monday 01 December 2008, Marcel wrote:
> Am Monday 01 December 2008 13:00:15 schrieb joakim at verona.se:
> > William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> writes:
> > > Just broke my freerunners original headset.  Is there a list of
> > > compatible models? - not much thats useful on the wiki that Ive been
> > > able to find  Just that some Nokia smartphone models will work ...
> > >
> > > Looking more for a headset rather than the original earbuds.
> > >
> > > BillK
> >
> > Try to keep the broken headset around anyway. It can be useful to solder
> > a headphone jack to it so you can use whatever headphones you like with
> > it. The 2.5mm 4-pole plug seems hard to come by.
>
> And please add your results to [1] when you've got something working! :)
>
> [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Headset

The pinout appears to be the same as the Blackberry Pearl too, but I haven't 
tried any headsets. I've added this to the wiki. Assuming it's correct the 
Shure MPA-2A would be worth a try.



From deichkind.08 at schweiz.eu  Mon Dec  1 22:37:17 2008
From: deichkind.08 at schweiz.eu (Marian Flor)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:37:17 +0100
Subject: SD boot freeze, hang at boot time, why ?
In-Reply-To: <493348A9.3030800@laposte.net>
References: <4932A26B.305@laposte.net> <4932DF94.3040904@openmoko.com>
	<1228074983.16739.5.camel@firebrick>  <493348A9.3030800@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <1228167437.6857.20.camel@firebrick>

Am Montag, den 01.12.2008, 03:15 +0100 schrieb Maelvon HAWK:

> Testing the Marian solution, I've modified the NAND boot, added the 
> "sleep 2;" but on NAND boot it say now :
> <boot>
> Failed to mount ext2 filesystem...
> ** Bad ext2 partition or disk - mmc 1:1 **
> Wrong image format for bootm command
> ERROR: can't get kernel image!
> </boot>

Hi Maelvon,

from a distance I would guess the filesystem on your first partition
(/dev/mmcblk0p1) is vfat and not ext2.

Have a close look at the configure-uboot.sh, check the line with
rootfstype=... from the first entry (after bootcmd=...). 

It should read (change it to): rootfstype=vfat

hackable1.org requires a fat partition for the first partition.
Debian on FR in contrast has discontinued booting from fat [1].

As the configure-uboot.sh was written for Debian on FR [2] the script
does not honor vfat boot partitions. See [1] for discussion (follow the
links to the Debian issue tracker and the smartphone-userland ML).

regards,
Marian

[1]
http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/files.git;a=commitdiff;h=6b1a3a1e217859ec9eb7ddf4d0ccdfe73275572a 
[2] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner





From dscaini at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 22:38:40 2008
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:38:40 +0100
Subject: [debian] sources
In-Reply-To: <1228163524.3459.51.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
References: <18db98c80812011156o7a3ee2bexe3d37af6d3cad3a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228163524.3459.51.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
Message-ID: <18db98c80812011338w51d7aa3fmee9767f39d9dc882@mail.gmail.com>

;-)
...i was searching something more "stable" only for fso because of this
annoiyng "no gps fix" issue that i got after the update two weeks ago...
thanks a lot for your answer!
d

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Joachim Breitner <nomeata at debian.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Am Montag, den 01.12.2008, 20:56 +0100 schrieb Davide Scaini:
> > deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian unstable main
> > deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian experimental main
> > deb http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main
> >
> > is it possible to have something less "dangerous" for everyday
> > life? ;-) thanks
>
> You can of course install Debian stable on your FreeRunner, but it won't
> contain any OpenMoko-specific software.
>
> And I wouldn't consider unstabe exactly dangerous ? I'm using it since
> over 6 years on my work machine.
>
> Greetings,
> Joachim
>
> --
> Joachim "nomeata" Breitner
> Debian Developer
>  nomeata at debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C
>  JID: nomeata at joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata<http://people.debian.org/%7Enomeata>
>
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From nomeata at debian.org  Mon Dec  1 22:57:54 2008
From: nomeata at debian.org (Joachim Breitner)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:57:54 +0000
Subject: [debian] sources
In-Reply-To: <18db98c80812011338w51d7aa3fmee9767f39d9dc882@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18db98c80812011156o7a3ee2bexe3d37af6d3cad3a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228163524.3459.51.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
	<18db98c80812011338w51d7aa3fmee9767f39d9dc882@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228168674.3459.59.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>

Hi,

Am Montag, den 01.12.2008, 22:38 +0100 schrieb Davide Scaini:
> ;-)
> ...i was searching something more "stable" only for fso because of
> this annoiyng "no gps fix" issue that i got after the update two weeks
> ago...
> thanks a lot for your answer!

the old versions of packages can be fetched manually from
http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/. Some people have asked or
a unstable/stable repository switch, but there is not enough stable
software to warrant that :-)

(And not enough manpower...)


Greetings,
Joachim
-- 
Joachim "nomeata" Breitner
Debian Developer
  nomeata at debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C
  JID: nomeata at joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata
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From dscaini at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 23:03:45 2008
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:03:45 +0100
Subject: [debian] sources
In-Reply-To: <1228168674.3459.59.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
References: <18db98c80812011156o7a3ee2bexe3d37af6d3cad3a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228163524.3459.51.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
	<18db98c80812011338w51d7aa3fmee9767f39d9dc882@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228168674.3459.59.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
Message-ID: <18db98c80812011403td0374d7nbc93e1bc9478ffe9@mail.gmail.com>

ha ha
thank you so much... i tried to manually downgrade to previous versions of
fso but maybe ther're not more on the experimental branch when substituted
with the newer version...
thank you so much!
d

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Joachim Breitner <nomeata at debian.org>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Am Montag, den 01.12.2008, 22:38 +0100 schrieb Davide Scaini:
> > ;-)
> > ...i was searching something more "stable" only for fso because of
> > this annoiyng "no gps fix" issue that i got after the update two weeks
> > ago...
> > thanks a lot for your answer!
>
> the old versions of packages can be fetched manually from
> http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/. Some people have asked or
> a unstable/stable repository switch, but there is not enough stable
> software to warrant that :-)
>
> (And not enough manpower...)
>
>
> Greetings,
> Joachim
> --
> Joachim "nomeata" Breitner
> Debian Developer
>  nomeata at debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C
>  JID: nomeata at joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata<http://people.debian.org/%7Enomeata>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From billk at iinet.net.au  Mon Dec  1 23:15:55 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:15:55 +0900
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <20081201132927.02aef94b.taw27@cam.ac.uk>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<1228135664.26409.15.camel@rattus>
	<958244340812010451g36c0d199id6967625a90bf797@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228137748.26409.24.camel@rattus>
	<20081201132927.02aef94b.taw27@cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <1228169755.17973.5.camel@rattus>

I'll reflash tonight and update, and investigate some of the other
problems as well.  I need a phone so I've gone back to 2008.9 until
tonight :)  Saving images makes it so much more flash friendly!

I dont think its "fault", as the cow mooed quite fine before I updated.
It was really a hit at work - seeing the 40-60yr old IT staff fascinated
by it! - they are old enough to remember the original - my kids dont, so
it sails straight by :(

BillK


On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 13:29 +0000, Thomas White wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:22:28 +0900
> William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> > openmoocow (old version) started once out of three tries - left me at
> > a grey screen otherwise.  
> 
> This is really my fault, due to a combination of MooCow's architecture
> in that version and the accelerometer driver behaviour.  Try the newer
> version - it should work much better.
> 
> Tom
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
-- 
William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
Home in Perth!




From billk at iinet.net.au  Mon Dec  1 23:19:27 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:19:27 +0900
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <20081201140859.GA15760@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<1228135664.26409.15.camel@rattus>
	<958244340812010451g36c0d199id6967625a90bf797@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228137748.26409.24.camel@rattus>
	<20081201140859.GA15760@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <1228169967.17973.9.camel@rattus>

Thanks John, I'll reflash back to it tonight and provide feedback.  If
its not volume, I'll raise a bug if I can figure out the cause.  I am a
bit cautious of generalising this instance as I upgraded from a 2008.9
that has had bits from FDOM and elsewhere dropped into it.

BillK

On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 22:08 +0800, John Lee wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 10:22:28PM +0900, William Kenworthy wrote:
...
> > 
> > Tried a test call - no audio :(
> 
> thanks for the feedback!  that sounds like #2140.  have you tried to
> tune up the volume ?
> 
...




From zophon at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 00:25:52 2008
From: zophon at gmail.com (Harald "Zophon" Zophoniasson)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:25:52 +1300
Subject: [QTEXTENDED] Very loud noise on (some) incoming calls
In-Reply-To: <389eeb980812010829y32effb2fs4ae364059f74bc2b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <389eeb980812010524haeafba3x41176ac8e8e31def@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00812010751q7e2b96ddu99e7df447c3034a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<389eeb980812010829y32effb2fs4ae364059f74bc2b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <356bd97d0812011525q1a45f368n6381ba84aacacf5d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I had this issue only once : during a call I wanted to toggle some of the
options (headset or headphone I don't remember) on. Had this loud noise
and...rebooted. Never tried again.

cheers

2008/12/2 Olivier Migeot <larrycow at gmail.com>

> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Warren Baird <photogeekmtl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I'm also using QTE 4.4.2, and I get this behaviour consistently after I
> > configure a gprs internet connection.  On Saturday I noticed it for the
> > first time without trying to configure a gprs connection - but I'm not
> sure
> > what triggered it.  I normally try to reboot every couple of days, but
> > hadn't in a while...   It was fine after a reboot...
> >
> > I guess you just need to pretend the FR is a windows box and reboot it
> every
> > couple of days... :-)
>
> Well, thanks for your answer, at least I'm not alone :)
>
> I can state the GPRS connection isn't the (only) reason, for I never
> configured any on my phone.
>
> Rebooting is a quick-fix, but without knowing how often one should do
> it, it's kinda pointless :/
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Olivier
>  M.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



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From taw27 at cam.ac.uk  Tue Dec  2 00:33:31 2008
From: taw27 at cam.ac.uk (Thomas White)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:33:31 +0000
Subject: OpenMooCow 0.2
In-Reply-To: <1227973270.3463.19.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
References: <20081127200245.645fb0cf.taw27@cam.ac.uk>
	<1227821287.3503.25.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
	<20081127220905.6acbd0c7.taw27@cam.ac.uk>
	<1227826039.3503.31.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
	<20081129134651.a914145e.taw27@cam.ac.uk>
	<1227973270.3463.19.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
Message-ID: <20081201233331.48d1d769.taw27@cam.ac.uk>

Joachim Breitner <nomeata at debian.org> wrote:

> Nice. Is your git tree publicly available?

Here you go, sorry for the wait:
http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~taw27/openmoko/openmoocow/openmoocow.git

Could you let me know if there are any problems with the current tip of
'master' on Thinkpad?  It's working fine on my Freerunner here.  If
there are no problems, I'll release that as version 0.3 sometime next
week.  I'd like to wait just a little longer to see if any more
installation problems with the .ipk arise, to avoid another awkward
intermediate release like this time.

Thanks for all your help,

Tom



From maelvon.hawk at laposte.net  Tue Dec  2 01:13:15 2008
From: maelvon.hawk at laposte.net (Maelvon HAWK)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:13:15 +0100
Subject: SD boot freeze, hang at boot time, why ?
In-Reply-To: <1228167437.6857.20.camel@firebrick>
References: <4932A26B.305@laposte.net>
	<4932DF94.3040904@openmoko.com>	<1228074983.16739.5.camel@firebrick>
	<493348A9.3030800@laposte.net> <1228167437.6857.20.camel@firebrick>
Message-ID: <49347D9B.4010804@laposte.net>

Marian Flor a ?crit :
> Am Montag, den 01.12.2008, 03:15 +0100 schrieb Maelvon HAWK:
> 
>> Testing the Marian solution, I've modified the NAND boot, added the 
>> "sleep 2;" but on NAND boot it say now :
>> <boot>
>> Failed to mount ext2 filesystem...
>> ** Bad ext2 partition or disk - mmc 1:1 **
>> Wrong image format for bootm command
>> ERROR: can't get kernel image!
>> </boot>
> 
> Hi Maelvon,
> 
> from a distance I would guess the filesystem on your first partition
> (/dev/mmcblk0p1) is vfat and not ext2.
> 
> Have a close look at the configure-uboot.sh, check the line with
> rootfstype=... from the first entry (after bootcmd=...). 
> 
> It should read (change it to): rootfstype=vfat
> 
> hackable1.org requires a fat partition for the first partition.
> Debian on FR in contrast has discontinued booting from fat [1].
> 
> As the configure-uboot.sh was written for Debian on FR [2] the script
> does not honor vfat boot partitions. See [1] for discussion (follow the
> links to the Debian issue tracker and the smartphone-userland ML).
> 
> regards,
> Marian
> 
> [1]
> http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/files.git;a=commitdiff;h=6b1a3a1e217859ec9eb7ddf4d0ccdfe73275572a 
> [2] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner

Thanks Mariam,

You put me on the right way, I've forgot to change the "ext2load mmc" 
to "fatload" with the "rootfstype=vfat". So now it works with vfat.

But I've now a :
'''
kernel panic -not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 
unknow-block(179,2)
'''

So with NOR, I've a :
'''
s3c2410_udc:debufs dir creation failed
'''
But Hackable:1 boot, and with NAND in vfat, I've a "kernel panic"

If I've put a vfat as rootfstype in NAND, what's the difference with the 
original NOR u-boot ?

I'm a bit lost :-)

'''
>  diff ./configure-uboot-FAT.sh ./configure-uboot-EXT2.sh
> 38c38
> <     rootfstype=vfat root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5;
> ---
>>     rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5;
> 41c41
> <   fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 ${sd_image_name};
> ---
>>   ext2load mmc 1 0x32000000 ${sd_image_name};
'''

Maelvon




From mail at 3v1n0.net  Tue Dec  2 03:22:19 2008
From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:22:19 +0100
Subject: Android rootfs image?
In-Reply-To: <492BE55B.5020005@vandenieuwenhof.nl>
References: <492BE55B.5020005@vandenieuwenhof.nl>
Message-ID: <gh25jh$2uo$1@ger.gmane.org>

Jeroen van de Nieuwenhof wrote:
> I installed Android on my Freerunner a few weeks ago, but changed back 
> to Qt-Extended later. Now i want to install Android again but the rootfs 
> image isnt available anymore at http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/ 
> . I guess this is because the mp3 patent issue.
> 
> Are there other images of Android available at the moment?

A new image is coming at:
 http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/androidfs.jffs2

More from Sean's words in devel list:
> I am uploading a new rootfs.jffs as I type. It will take a few hours
> with my slow connection :(
> 
> The issue with patents is causing great pain. Android is setup to either
> build with all of Packet Videos opencore, or to eliminate it. If
> eliminated, then the media playback and record cannot work as it uses
> Packet Video in a JNI interface. Building a partial opencore library is
> also quite difficult. I can't just eliminate particular codecs as they
> are static libraries with lots of dependencies.
> 
> So, media handling is broken at the moment. You will see that it tells
> you in logcat it is out of memory, but that is just a bogus error. I am
> still working to fix it.

Bye!

-- 
Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux
http://www.3v1n0.net/




From hit2436 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec  2 03:40:56 2008
From: hit2436 at hotmail.com (Alishams Hassam)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:40:56 -0800
Subject: [QTEXTENDED] Very loud noise on (some) incoming calls
In-Reply-To: <356bd97d0812011525q1a45f368n6381ba84aacacf5d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <389eeb980812010524haeafba3x41176ac8e8e31def@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00812010751q7e2b96ddu99e7df447c3034a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<389eeb980812010829y32effb2fs4ae364059f74bc2b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<356bd97d0812011525q1a45f368n6381ba84aacacf5d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL102-W621FEC9FE0F05C4B223787B9000@phx.gbl>


I have this issue every so often as well. The weird thing is when the loud noise happens, the speaker phone is active as well (I didn't activate it, it answers with the speaker). 

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:25:52 +1300
From: zophon at gmail.com
To: community at lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: [QTEXTENDED] Very loud noise on (some) incoming calls

Hi,

I had this issue only once : during a call I wanted to toggle some of the options (headset or headphone I don't remember) on. Had this loud noise and...rebooted. Never tried again.

cheers


2008/12/2 Olivier Migeot <larrycow at gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Warren Baird <photogeekmtl at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm also using QTE 4.4.2, and I get this behaviour consistently after I

> configure a gprs internet connection.  On Saturday I noticed it for the

> first time without trying to configure a gprs connection - but I'm not sure

> what triggered it.  I normally try to reboot every couple of days, but

> hadn't in a while...   It was fine after a reboot...

>

> I guess you just need to pretend the FR is a windows box and reboot it every

> couple of days... :-)



Well, thanks for your answer, at least I'm not alone :)



I can state the GPRS connection isn't the (only) reason, for I never

configured any on my phone.



Rebooting is a quick-fix, but without knowing how often one should do

it, it's kinda pointless :/



Regards,



--

Olivier

 M.



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From olv at openmoko.org  Tue Dec  2 05:24:50 2008
From: olv at openmoko.org (Chia-I Wu)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:24:50 +0800
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <20081201060634.GE7403@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost> <4932E1DC.7050307@openmoko.com>
	<20081201060634.GE7403@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <20081202042449.GA10152@m500.domain>

On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 02:06:34PM +0800, John Lee wrote:
> > | * must remove 'ro' in kernel boot parameter if you use sd boot.
> > At the moment Qi has ro boot everywhere by default, is this restriction
> > just a temporary workaround for something?
> I think it's related to Olv's new boot scripts.  I have rough idea
> about why but this can be better explained by him.
It is a bug in the script if SD card is not re-mounted as rw.  Could you
send me the output of /proc/mounts when booting from SD card?

-- 
Regards,
olv



From john_lee at openmoko.com  Tue Dec  2 05:42:37 2008
From: john_lee at openmoko.com (John Lee)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:42:37 +0800
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <49341169.9010006@gmx.net>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost> <49341169.9010006@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20081202044236.GC4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>

On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 05:31:37PM +0100, Andreas Fischer wrote:
> Hi John, All,
> 
> Just upgraded from 2008.9. Things to mention:
> - Boot time decreased. A lot! Thumbs up and a great "Thank you" for that :)
> - Also, startup time for applications (dialer) seems to have decreased.
> - As mentioned elsewhere, Enlightenment configuration was reset to not
> show the spanner and as the settings utility is unusable and the phone
> tends to suspend after 31 seconds, it is pretty unusable until one
> switches Enlightenment themes according to
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Toggle (bottom of the page).

sorry about the settings problem.  we fixed multiple problems
yesterday (see https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2148).  there
was a really strange line in local.conf saying EXTENDPE = "" , which
will cause a lot of problems.  I have no idea who put that in...

there used to be a wrench and qwerty button enabled theme, and now
raster's illume default theme (illume-theme-illume,
illume-config-illume) provides the same functionalities with a very
different look.  OM's theme will remain as it is like our designer
wants it to be.  you are free to switch between these two though, by
setting it inside /etc/enlightenment/default_profile.

- John

> - Even after disabling suspend I am having problems. In particular I am
> now experiencing WSoD even after screen blank (probably bug #2115:
> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2115 ). I suppose I need to
> disable screen blank too for now?
> 
> Nevertheless, even though there are problems it's good to see progress.
> Keep up the good work.
> 
> Regards,
> Andreas
> 
> John Lee wrote:
> > Dear Community,
> > 
> > As Sushama (our new testing team member) indicated in
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003493.html ,
> > we won't have a release in Nov.  Currently the testing team is going
> > to do a full test on the latest testing image.  It has all the goodies
> > we did and a lot of improvements over Om2008.9, so please try it and
> > report any error you find.
> > 
> > 
> > Upgrade howto:
> > 
> >>From Om2008.9 it's recommanded to upgrade with the following steps:
> > 
> > sed -i -e 's%Om2008.8%testing%' /etc/opkg/*.conf
> > /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop
> > screen -DR
> > opkg update
> > opkg -force-overwrite upgrade
> > # (please ans Y to all questions)
> > # (the sshd (dropbear) will restart, so you need to reconnect and do
> > # 'screen -DR' again)
> > opkg upgrade
> > shutdown -r now
> > 
> > To get the fastest boot time you also need to remove the following
> > packages:
> > 
> > opkg remove task-base-nfs task-base-smbfs task-base-bluetooth \
> > task-base-usbgadget avahi-daemon avahi-autoipd blueprobe \
> > usb-gadget-mode portmap exquisite exquisite-theme-freerunner \
> > exquisite-themes
> > 
> > 
> > Known issues:
> > 
> > * GTK redraw problem
> > * some obsolete kernel modules still left in system
> > * must remove 'ro' in kernel boot parameter if you use sd boot.
> > * will purge your incompatible e config, so you might need to set
> >   stuffs like suspend time again.
> > 
> > 
> > Echo:
> > 
> > Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's
> > impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models.
> > However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your
> > neo.  My way is to adjust
> > control.4 Speaker Playback Volume in
> > /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state
> > 
> > the max value is 127, 95 works best on my a5.  With volume level 3 or
> > 4 in qtopia dialer, the other side can hear no echo while I get good
> > audio quality.
> > 
> > 
> > Team update:
> > 
> > Tick helped to put his touchscreen improvement into stable-tracking,
> > he will work on opkg internals next.  Olv moved to look into kernel
> > and fso.  Erin will try bluetooth.  Julian is working on the GTK
> > redraw issue, please help him out.  Jeremy will fix some qtopia bugs
> > and keep working on suspend/resume issues.
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > John
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



From billk at iinet.net.au  Tue Dec  2 06:20:47 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (W.Kenworthy)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:20:47 +0900
Subject: Compatible earphones ...
In-Reply-To: <200812011919.04508.tanuva@gmail.com>
References: <1228131112.26409.3.camel@rattus> <m37i6kf6ls.fsf@verona.se>
	<200812011919.04508.tanuva@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228195248.18532.31.camel@bunyip.localdomain>

Have to find something first - thinking bluetooth may be better.

BillK

On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 19:19 +0100, Marcel wrote:
> Am Monday 01 December 2008 13:00:15 schrieb joakim at verona.se:
> > William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> writes:
> > > Just broke my freerunners original headset.  Is there a list of
> > > compatible models? - not much thats useful on the wiki that Ive been
> > > able to find  Just that some Nokia smartphone models will work ...
> > >
> > > Looking more for a headset rather than the original earbuds.
> > >
> > > BillK
> >
> > Try to keep the broken headset around anyway. It can be useful to solder
> > a headphone jack to it so you can use whatever headphones you like with
> > it. The 2.5mm 4-pole plug seems hard to come by.
> 
> And please add your results to [1] when you've got something working! :)
> 
> [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Headset
> 
> --
> Marcel
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community




From jeremy at openmoko.com  Tue Dec  2 07:47:27 2008
From: jeremy at openmoko.com (Jeremy Chang)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:47:27 +0800
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <m263m4j4k3.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost> <4932E1DC.7050307@openmoko.com>
	<m2abbhhuva.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <4932F9DA.1030900@openmoko.com>
	<m263m4j4k3.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <20081202064727.GA1804@black>

On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 12:18:36AM +0300, Paul Fertser wrote:
> Andy Green <andy at openmoko.com> writes:
> > Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> > | Hi,
> > |
> > | Andy Green <andy at openmoko.com> writes:
> > |>  For example some advice for Jeremy about "suspend / resume issues"
> > |> would be don't waste your time doing any suspend / resume work on
> > |> 2.6.24 kernel, only on andy-tracking.
> > |
> > | I'm very sorry to jump in this thread. But this advice of yours is
> > | so much surprising! It implicitly suggests that Jeremy might be unaware of
> > | the fact that every sane person knows for like 2 months. Do i
> >
> > "Every sane person" :-)  No a lot of people are still using 2.6.24, all
> > the distros are shipping it, it is in a branch called "stable", it's not
> > nuts if somebody tries to work on it.
> 
> A lot of people are using, sure. But all the real work is done on
> *-tracking, it was obvious long ago from the commits, from the
> discussions, from the letter you posted earlier with the clear
> explanation about every branch's purpose.
> 
> > If he already knows it then fine, but people have been targeting
> > stable in the last weeks for stuff that needs to be done on 2.6.28.
> 
> That is strange. If they read the kernel list, then they already know
> what's going known and where you're heading. If they don't, how can
> they do kernel development then? Out of the context, in isolation?
> Just like samsung with their huge outdated patchsets, that can never
> be accepted upstream and therefore can be considered being dead before
> they born?
> 
> > | understand it right? How can it be possible at all? Everybody's so
> > | excited about this "Optimization team" and you say they might
> > | waste some time just because they don't lurk on -kernel mailing list?
> > |
> > | No offence meant, but that is sooo strange...
> >
> > I fear I've missed your point... John Lee wrote that two folks in Taiwan
> > are going to be working specifically on kernel stuff...
> >
> > ''Olv moved to look into kernel and fso. ... Jeremy will fix some qtopia
> > bugs and keep working on suspend/resume issues.''
> >
> > I write to suggest they might get advantage if they coordinate kernel
> > work on the kernel list -- at least we might not duplicate work on the
> > same thing and there is a pretty fair amount of knowledge about Openmoko
> > suspend / resume stuff on that list.
> >
> > What's "sooo" strange about that?
> 
> Oh, you seem to be repeating the same thing you said earlier just to
> explain to me what's going on. I'm sorry for wasting your time. I
> think i understand you. The problem is that i'm not a native speaker
> and i tend to construct too complex sentences even in my native
> language.
> 
> What i'm trying to explain is that i see it as plain obvious that
> anybody who wants to work on a kernel stuff should coordinate their
> efforts on the kernel list. That anybody targeting fixing bugs in
> suspend/resume knows about 2.6.24 deficiences long time ago. What you
> said to Jeremy sounded to me like: "Hey, don't cross the street on red
> light, you might get hit by a car and die, you know". I was surprised
> that you treat a kernel developer from the optimization team like a
> child. If he is not experienced in kernel development why then didn't
> he ask you what kind of help was needed and decided to choose a task
> himself?
> 
> And why the optimization team is still trying to fix bugs in Qtopia
> and derivitaves? Let Nokia do their work, if they really want
> to. Wouldn't it be better for the optimization team to hack on FSO or
> at least (as they are in Taiwan, that should be easy for them) get
> those bloody 100uF capacitors in place to finally provide the users with a
> decent bass?
> 
> I don't want to sound too harsh to the optimization team. I just don't
> see them being public enough, coordinating their efforts with the main
> developers (of FSO and kernel) enough, going forward enough. I'm just
> afraid that they are somewhat like that mythical "interface design
> department" that never publicly communicates and demands technical
> nonsense from the real developers. (btw, i still remember the idea of
> taking a screenshot before suspending, oh boy, that was a bad sign
> from the optimization team)
    Hi, For now, I am working on fixing some qtopia stuff, to see if I
can fix some bugs for later release, as well I would like to look into
some kernel stuff. Ya, Andy has informed me that I should watch and work
with andy-tracking branch long time ago. I know that. though I am not a
skilled kernel guy. The same time I am indeed reading kernel mail list
and logs to catch up with. It will take me more time. 
    Thanks your suggestion giving and thanks Andy. I am trying testing
suspend/resume recursively with a script, using werner's wkalrm. If
anything I get or any plan, anyway I will talk on kernl list, let it be
more public.

Regards, 
- Jeremy

> 
> No personal offense meant.
> -- 
> Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
> mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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From brenda_wang at openmoko.com  Tue Dec  2 08:13:41 2008
From: brenda_wang at openmoko.com (BrendaWang)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:13:41 +0800
Subject: Google analytic records of November
Message-ID: <4934E025.7010605@openmoko.com>

Dear Documentation team, and Community:
I update wiki google analytic records last month , you can check here.
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wiki_statistic_numbers#November.2C_2008

Feel free to let me know , if any kind of number you want .I can export
and update it on wiki.

Brenda






From john_lee at openmoko.com  Tue Dec  2 08:31:16 2008
From: john_lee at openmoko.com (John Lee)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:31:16 +0800
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <m263m4j4k3.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost> <4932E1DC.7050307@openmoko.com>
	<m2abbhhuva.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <4932F9DA.1030900@openmoko.com>
	<m263m4j4k3.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <20081202073116.GE4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>

On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 12:18:36AM +0300, Paul Fertser wrote:
> 
> And why the optimization team is still trying to fix bugs in Qtopia
> and derivitaves? Let Nokia do their work, if they really want
> to. Wouldn't it be better for the optimization team to hack on FSO or
> at least (as they are in Taiwan, that should be easy for them) get
> those bloody 100uF capacitors in place to finally provide the users with a
> decent bass?

Because people still need to use Om2008 based distro until the
software release of gta03.  Also, I have pointed out qtopia issues
will be of lower priority before.

> I don't want to sound too harsh to the optimization team. I just don't
> see them being public enough, coordinating their efforts with the main
> developers (of FSO and kernel) enough, going forward enough.

In the beginning of this thread I wrote we are going to become more
involved with fso and kernel, but please understand what you think we
should do may not be the same as what we are going to do and what we
were asked to do.

> I'm just afraid that they are somewhat like that mythical "interface
> design department" that never publicly communicates and demands
> technical nonsense from the real developers. (btw, i still remember
> the idea of taking a screenshot before suspending, oh boy, that was
> a bad sign from the optimization team)

Thanks for your worrying.

> No personal offense meant.

Non taken.


Regards,
John



From john_lee at openmoko.com  Tue Dec  2 08:46:09 2008
From: john_lee at openmoko.com (John Lee)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:46:09 +0800
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <49dd78620812011329w37b09629v5d4c971605d5c926@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<49dd78620812011329w37b09629v5d4c971605d5c926@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081202074608.GF4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>

On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 09:29:48PM +0000, Neil Jerram wrote:
> 2008/11/30 John Lee <john_lee at openmoko.com>:
> >
> > Echo:
> >
> > Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's
> > impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models.
> > However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your
> > neo.  My way is to adjust
> > control.4 Speaker Playback Volume in
> > /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state
> >
> > the max value is 127, 95 works best on my a5.  With volume level 3 or
> > 4 in qtopia dialer, the other side can hear no echo while I get good
> > audio quality.
> 
> Apologies in advance for what may be a dumb question - but does this
> statement represent the conclusion of your team's work on audio issues
> (buzz/echo/hiss etc.)?  Or is there further work ongoing?

No, it's not the conclusion.  We will keep working on that.  I just
described how I get the best out from the current sw/hw.

> I very much hope the latter.  At the very least, I feel we need a
> definitive and full description from your team of what the issues are,
> and the best available solutions (hardware and/or software) for them.
> If some of those solutions are version (a5, a6, ...) dependent, then
> they must include precise instructions on how an Openmoko user can
> determine which version they have.
> 
> Once that description is available, either you or someone else can
> turn it into some kind of code or package, so that we can all take
> advantage of it.

Okay, I will think about this.  I think the only real limitation here
is we cannot ask everyone to do the soldering by him/her self, other
then that, any software based solution is possible.  Let me dig this
deeper with the kernel and hw people.


- John

> I know there is already a lot of google-able data on this, but in my
> view this is not useful even for an experienced user/programmer, as
> - it is all reported anecdotally and subjectively
> - there is simply too much of it to digest.
> So the detailed status needs to come from your team.  I also assume
> (hope!) that you must have equipment specifically for detecting and
> measuring such audio effects, so I expect you can do a much better job
> of optimizing whatever needs to be optimized than all of us
> enthusiasts who don't have that equipment.
> 
> Best wishes,
>     Neil
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



From monnier at iro.umontreal.ca  Tue Dec  2 08:50:51 2008
From: monnier at iro.umontreal.ca (Stefan Monnier)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:50:51 -0500
Subject: [debian] sources
References: <18db98c80812011156o7a3ee2bexe3d37af6d3cad3a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228163524.3459.51.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
Message-ID: <jwvwsej9ft6.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org>

> You can of course install Debian stable on your FreeRunner, but it won?t
> contain any OpenMoko-specific software.

I'm running fso-pkg (unstable) alongside plain Debian testing.


        Stefan




From erin_yueh at openmoko.com  Tue Dec  2 09:59:08 2008
From: erin_yueh at openmoko.com (Erin Yueh)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:59:08 +0800
Subject: send/receive files via bluetooth in NEO
Message-ID: <4934F8DC.9000407@openmoko.com>

Hi List,

I am working on bluetooth recently and I write few notes about OBEX in
openmoko wiki. Also I am going to write a python UI script like a
bluetooth manager. It would have some functions, like 'Browsing nearby
bluetooth devices', 'Send file', 'Bluetooth preferences', 'Bluetooth
power status'....etc.

Just few steps, you can send or receive files via bluetooth in NEO. If 
you are interested, you may read wiki page.
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#OBEX

Currently, I didn't write passkey event script yet and you could use 
other devices to pair with NEO. A simple UI script is coming soon....

Cheers,
Erin



From cyberfrag at gmx.net  Tue Dec  2 10:49:47 2008
From: cyberfrag at gmx.net (Andreas Fischer)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:49:47 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <20081202044236.GC4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost> <49341169.9010006@gmx.net>
	<20081202044236.GC4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <493504BB.7000307@gmx.net>

John Lee wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 05:31:37PM +0100, Andreas Fischer wrote:
>> Hi John, All,
>>
>> Just upgraded from 2008.9. Things to mention:
>> - Boot time decreased. A lot! Thumbs up and a great "Thank you" for that :)
>> - Also, startup time for applications (dialer) seems to have decreased.
>> - As mentioned elsewhere, Enlightenment configuration was reset to not
>> show the spanner and as the settings utility is unusable and the phone
>> tends to suspend after 31 seconds, it is pretty unusable until one
>> switches Enlightenment themes according to
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Toggle (bottom of the page).
> 
> sorry about the settings problem.  we fixed multiple problems
> yesterday (see https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2148).  there
> was a really strange line in local.conf saying EXTENDPE = "" , which
> will cause a lot of problems.  I have no idea who put that in...

Ah - that would probably also explain the frequent enlightenment crashes
I was going to complain about. I'll test with the new python-etk and see
how it goes from there.

Thanks for your answer,
Andreas

> 
> there used to be a wrench and qwerty button enabled theme, and now
> raster's illume default theme (illume-theme-illume,
> illume-config-illume) provides the same functionalities with a very
> different look.  OM's theme will remain as it is like our designer
> wants it to be.  you are free to switch between these two though, by
> setting it inside /etc/enlightenment/default_profile.
> 
> - John
> 
>> - Even after disabling suspend I am having problems. In particular I am
>> now experiencing WSoD even after screen blank (probably bug #2115:
>> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2115 ). I suppose I need to
>> disable screen blank too for now?
>>
>> Nevertheless, even though there are problems it's good to see progress.
>> Keep up the good work.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andreas
>>
>> John Lee wrote:
>>> Dear Community,
>>>
>>> As Sushama (our new testing team member) indicated in
>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003493.html ,
>>> we won't have a release in Nov.  Currently the testing team is going
>>> to do a full test on the latest testing image.  It has all the goodies
>>> we did and a lot of improvements over Om2008.9, so please try it and
>>> report any error you find.
>>>
>>>
>>> Upgrade howto:
>>>
>>> >From Om2008.9 it's recommanded to upgrade with the following steps:
>>>
>>> sed -i -e 's%Om2008.8%testing%' /etc/opkg/*.conf
>>> /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop
>>> screen -DR
>>> opkg update
>>> opkg -force-overwrite upgrade
>>> # (please ans Y to all questions)
>>> # (the sshd (dropbear) will restart, so you need to reconnect and do
>>> # 'screen -DR' again)
>>> opkg upgrade
>>> shutdown -r now
>>>
>>> To get the fastest boot time you also need to remove the following
>>> packages:
>>>
>>> opkg remove task-base-nfs task-base-smbfs task-base-bluetooth \
>>> task-base-usbgadget avahi-daemon avahi-autoipd blueprobe \
>>> usb-gadget-mode portmap exquisite exquisite-theme-freerunner \
>>> exquisite-themes
>>>
>>>
>>> Known issues:
>>>
>>> * GTK redraw problem
>>> * some obsolete kernel modules still left in system
>>> * must remove 'ro' in kernel boot parameter if you use sd boot.
>>> * will purge your incompatible e config, so you might need to set
>>>   stuffs like suspend time again.
>>>
>>>
>>> Echo:
>>>
>>> Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's
>>> impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models.
>>> However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your
>>> neo.  My way is to adjust
>>> control.4 Speaker Playback Volume in
>>> /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state
>>>
>>> the max value is 127, 95 works best on my a5.  With volume level 3 or
>>> 4 in qtopia dialer, the other side can hear no echo while I get good
>>> audio quality.
>>>
>>>
>>> Team update:
>>>
>>> Tick helped to put his touchscreen improvement into stable-tracking,
>>> he will work on opkg internals next.  Olv moved to look into kernel
>>> and fso.  Erin will try bluetooth.  Julian is working on the GTK
>>> redraw issue, please help him out.  Jeremy will fix some qtopia bugs
>>> and keep working on suspend/resume issues.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> John
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Openmoko community mailing list
>>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community




From andy at openmoko.com  Tue Dec  2 10:53:26 2008
From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:53:26 +0000
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <20081202064727.GA1804@black>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
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	<20081202064727.GA1804@black>
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

|     Thanks your suggestion giving and thanks Andy. I am trying testing
| suspend/resume recursively with a script, using werner's wkalrm. If
| anything I get or any plan, anyway I will talk on kernl list, let it be
| more public.

Great, automated stress / regression testing of suspend will be a very
welcome innovation (hopefully even the results will be welcome sometimes
too :-) )

- -Andy
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From john_lee at openmoko.com  Tue Dec  2 11:24:44 2008
From: john_lee at openmoko.com (John Lee)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:24:44 +0800
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <493504BB.7000307@gmx.net>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost> <49341169.9010006@gmx.net>
	<20081202044236.GC4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
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On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 10:49:47AM +0100, Andreas Fischer wrote:
> John Lee wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 05:31:37PM +0100, Andreas Fischer wrote:
> >> Hi John, All,
> >>
> >> Just upgraded from 2008.9. Things to mention:
> >> - Boot time decreased. A lot! Thumbs up and a great "Thank you" for that :)
> >> - Also, startup time for applications (dialer) seems to have decreased.
> >> - As mentioned elsewhere, Enlightenment configuration was reset to not
> >> show the spanner and as the settings utility is unusable and the phone
> >> tends to suspend after 31 seconds, it is pretty unusable until one
> >> switches Enlightenment themes according to
> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Toggle (bottom of the page).
> > 
> > sorry about the settings problem.  we fixed multiple problems
> > yesterday (see https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2148).  there
> > was a really strange line in local.conf saying EXTENDPE = "" , which
> > will cause a lot of problems.  I have no idea who put that in...
> 
> Ah - that would probably also explain the frequent enlightenment crashes
> I was going to complain about. I'll test with the new python-etk and see
> how it goes from there.
> 
> Thanks for your answer,
> Andreas

enlightenment crashes?  sounds familiar....

https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1767

I'm in a dilemma here.  Either I have to put in a lot of resource to
fix the software_16 engine, or I have to switch to software_x like
Raster suggested and make everything slower.  :(


- John

> 
> > 
> > there used to be a wrench and qwerty button enabled theme, and now
> > raster's illume default theme (illume-theme-illume,
> > illume-config-illume) provides the same functionalities with a very
> > different look.  OM's theme will remain as it is like our designer
> > wants it to be.  you are free to switch between these two though, by
> > setting it inside /etc/enlightenment/default_profile.
> > 
> > - John
> > 
> >> - Even after disabling suspend I am having problems. In particular I am
> >> now experiencing WSoD even after screen blank (probably bug #2115:
> >> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2115 ). I suppose I need to
> >> disable screen blank too for now?
> >>
> >> Nevertheless, even though there are problems it's good to see progress.
> >> Keep up the good work.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Andreas
> >>



From kimaidou at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 11:25:16 2008
From: kimaidou at gmail.com (kimaidou)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:25:16 +0100
Subject: send/receive files via bluetooth in NEO
In-Reply-To: <4934F8DC.9000407@openmoko.com>
References: <4934F8DC.9000407@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <40cd9ce40812020225v4fa13385s810433edfb024738@mail.gmail.com>

That is a great news !
When you ui is finished, could you propose your soft to the
opkg.orgsoftware list ?


2008/12/2 Erin Yueh <erin_yueh at openmoko.com>

> Hi List,
>
> I am working on bluetooth recently and I write few notes about OBEX in
> openmoko wiki. Also I am going to write a python UI script like a
> bluetooth manager. It would have some functions, like 'Browsing nearby
> bluetooth devices', 'Send file', 'Bluetooth preferences', 'Bluetooth
> power status'....etc.
>
> Just few steps, you can send or receive files via bluetooth in NEO. If
> you are interested, you may read wiki page.
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#OBEX
>
> Currently, I didn't write passkey event script yet and you could use
> other devices to pair with NEO. A simple UI script is coming soon....
>
> Cheers,
> Erin
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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From billk at iinet.net.au  Tue Dec  2 11:26:02 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:26:02 +0900
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <20081201132927.02aef94b.taw27@cam.ac.uk>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<1228135664.26409.15.camel@rattus>
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Upgraded to 0.2 - works fine.

BillK

On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 13:29 +0000, Thomas White wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:22:28 +0900
> William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> > openmoocow (old version) started once out of three tries - left me at
> > a grey screen otherwise.  
> 
> This is really my fault, due to a combination of MooCow's architecture
> in that version and the accelerometer driver behaviour.  Try the newer
> version - it should work much better.
> 
> Tom
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
-- 
William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
Home in Perth!




From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Tue Dec  2 11:44:20 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:44:20 +0100
Subject: [QTEXTENDED] Very loud noise on (some) incoming calls
In-Reply-To: <COL102-W621FEC9FE0F05C4B223787B9000@phx.gbl>
References: <389eeb980812010524haeafba3x41176ac8e8e31def@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00812010751q7e2b96ddu99e7df447c3034a7@mail.gmail.com>
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> I have this issue every so often as well. The weird thing is when the  
> loud noise happens, the speaker phone is active as well (I didn't  
> activate it, it answers with the speaker).

accoustic feedback?
could you try to change the als state file to one that disables the  
speaker when that noise occurs?



From ueli.peter at bluewin.ch  Tue Dec  2 11:46:21 2008
From: ueli.peter at bluewin.ch (ueli.peter at bluewin.ch)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:46:21 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Android rootfs image?
Message-ID: <13799108.313761228214781209.JavaMail.webmail@ps5zhb.bluewin.ch>

Hi all.

I flashed the new Image (http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/androidfs.jffs2) 
and uimage (http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/uImage-android).

I expect, as read in other threads 
(http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1583918%7Ca1585457),
 to have the virtual keyboard 
startable via menu. But its missing.

Is there a possibility to install this keyboard.

Ueli




From billk at iinet.net.au  Tue Dec  2 11:47:37 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:47:37 +0900
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <20081201140859.GA15760@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<1228135664.26409.15.camel@rattus>
	<958244340812010451g36c0d199id6967625a90bf797@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228137748.26409.24.camel@rattus>
	<20081201140859.GA15760@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <1228214857.9474.4.camel@rattus>

Thats it.  I installed my favourite gsmhandset.state which made the mic
audio acceptable.  Then I modified PhoneProfile.conf as per #2140 and
have audio again.

I presume this fix (#2140) will appear in an update shortly?

Thanks.
BillK

On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 22:08 +0800, John Lee wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 10:22:28PM +0900, William Kenworthy wrote:
> > Thanks, also I was bit too rushed.  I shut down X which allowed me to
> > stay logged in and find out that the customisations to get the spanner
> > and keyboards had been undone - fixed them and I can now use the phone.
> > The suspend time is fixable from the spanner so the settings isnt
> > needed.
> > 
> > Some of my existing apps wont start (pypennotes, ...) so they probably
> > need upgrading.  openmoocow (old version) started once out of three
> > tries - left me at a grey screen otherwise.  At one point the display
> > died and restarted itself when I tapped a blank part of the home screen.
> > 
> > Fonts and widgets are far too large on apps like pythm, tangogps and the
> > like.
> > 
> > Tried a test call - no audio :(
> 
> thanks for the feedback!  that sounds like #2140.  have you tried to
> tune up the volume ?
> 
> > Probably need to set a profile, but need the settings app for that.
> > 
> > BillK
> > 
> > On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 12:51 +0000, Joseph Reeves wrote:
> > > I've discovered the same:
> > > 
> > > https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2148
> > > 
> > > Joseph
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 2008/12/1 William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:
> > > > Loaded it up and it rebooted fine, but isnt usable.
> > > >
> > > > Ive lost the spanner so I cant configure it
> > > >
> > > > It goes to sleep automaticly after a few seconds and without the spanner
> > > > I cant figure out how to disable it (I see you mention that sleep time
> > > > needs to be reset - but how?).  Same if I have it plugged into usb, goes
> > > > to sleep while I am logged into it.  The old settings icon is still
> > > > present, but does nothing except spin for a few seconds and exits -
> > > > tried logging in to faultfind it but - you guessed it, phone went to
> > > > sleep.
> > > >
> > > > Its gone back to the huge icons - a real pain, again I cant see how to
> > > > select the smaller ones without the spanner.
> > > >
> > > > Ive lost the terminal keyboard and only have the crappy ones left -
> > > > unusable for anything serious, like trying to use a terminal to fix
> > > > things :(
> > > >
> > > > I'll try an unmodified 2008.9 in a couple of days and see if my changes
> > > > to make 2008.9 usable are the cause of the above.
> > > >
> > > > The good - gsm registered immediately, but then it went to sleep :(
> > > >
> > > > BillK
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 19:50 +0800, John Lee wrote:
> > > >> Dear Community,
> > > >>
> > > >> As Sushama (our new testing team member) indicated in
> > > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003493.html ,
> > > >> we won't have a release in Nov.  Currently the testing team is going
> > > >> to do a full test on the latest testing image.  It has all the goodies
> > > >> we did and a lot of improvements over Om2008.9, so please try it and
> > > >> report any error you find.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Upgrade howto:
> > > >>
> > > >> From Om2008.9 it's recommanded to upgrade with the following steps:
> > > >>
> > > >> sed -i -e 's%Om2008.8%testing%' /etc/opkg/*.conf
> > > >> /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop
> > > >> screen -DR
> > > >> opkg update
> > > >> opkg -force-overwrite upgrade
> > > >> # (please ans Y to all questions)
> > > >> # (the sshd (dropbear) will restart, so you need to reconnect and do
> > > >> # 'screen -DR' again)
> > > >> opkg upgrade
> > > >> shutdown -r now
> > > >>
> > > >> To get the fastest boot time you also need to remove the following
> > > >> packages:
> > > >>
> > > >> opkg remove task-base-nfs task-base-smbfs task-base-bluetooth \
> > > >> task-base-usbgadget avahi-daemon avahi-autoipd blueprobe \
> > > >> usb-gadget-mode portmap exquisite exquisite-theme-freerunner \
> > > >> exquisite-themes
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Known issues:
> > > >>
> > > >> * GTK redraw problem
> > > >> * some obsolete kernel modules still left in system
> > > >> * must remove 'ro' in kernel boot parameter if you use sd boot.
> > > >> * will purge your incompatible e config, so you might need to set
> > > >>   stuffs like suspend time again.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Echo:
> > > >>
> > > >> Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's
> > > >> impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models.
> > > >> However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your
> > > >> neo.  My way is to adjust
> > > >> control.4 Speaker Playback Volume in
> > > >> /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state
> > > >>
> > > >> the max value is 127, 95 works best on my a5.  With volume level 3 or
> > > >> 4 in qtopia dialer, the other side can hear no echo while I get good
> > > >> audio quality.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Team update:
> > > >>
> > > >> Tick helped to put his touchscreen improvement into stable-tracking,
> > > >> he will work on opkg internals next.  Olv moved to look into kernel
> > > >> and fso.  Erin will try bluetooth.  Julian is working on the GTK
> > > >> redraw issue, please help him out.  Jeremy will fix some qtopia bugs
> > > >> and keep working on suspend/resume issues.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >> John
> > > >>
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> Openmoko community mailing list
> > > >> community at lists.openmoko.org
> > > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> > > > --
> > > > William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
> > > > Home in Perth!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Openmoko community mailing list
> > > > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> > > >
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Openmoko community mailing list
> > > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> > -- 
> > William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
> > Home in Perth!
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
-- 
William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
Home in Perth!




From billk at iinet.net.au  Tue Dec  2 11:50:58 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:50:58 +0900
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <1228137748.26409.24.camel@rattus>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<1228135664.26409.15.camel@rattus>
	<958244340812010451g36c0d199id6967625a90bf797@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228137748.26409.24.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <1228215058.9474.8.camel@rattus>

On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 22:22 +0900, William Kenworthy wrote:
> Thanks, also I was bit too rushed.  I shut down X which allowed me to
....
> 
> Fonts and widgets are far too large on apps like pythm, tangogps and the
> like.
> 
...

Fixed by adding the gtkrc fix from FDOM

Should I raise a bug for this - I think it is an old issue (as evidenced
by the fact that FDOM has had the fix for awhile)

BillK






From cedric.berger74 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 11:55:15 2008
From: cedric.berger74 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E9dric_Berger?=)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:55:15 +0100
Subject: Android rootfs image?
In-Reply-To: <13799108.313761228214781209.JavaMail.webmail@ps5zhb.bluewin.ch>
References: <13799108.313761228214781209.JavaMail.webmail@ps5zhb.bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <bff0f0570812020255h7ba7be08ve5505686440a6964@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 11:46, ueli.peter at bluewin.ch
<ueli.peter at bluewin.ch> wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> I flashed the new Image (http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/androidfs.jffs2)
> and uimage (http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/uImage-android).
>
> I expect, as read in other threads
> (http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1583918%7Ca1585457),
>  to have the virtual keyboard
> startable via menu. But its missing.
>
> Is there a possibility to install this keyboard.
>
> Ueli
>

Hi,

This keyboard is indeed not in this image. But Sean just  indicated he
is now in process of including it.
Said in kernel list
(http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1583918%7Ca1585457 ) :


On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 11:24, Sean McNeil <sean at mcneil.com> wrote:
> C?dric Berger wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:52, Sean McNeil <sean at mcneil.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> C?dric Berger wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Looks like the virtual keyboard that was proposed by... [oups I do not
>>>> remember who :-p ]... is not included yet.
>>>> Have you tried to integrate it ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Argg. Completely slipped my mind. I'm going back over your work right
>>> now.
>>>
>>
>> Ok cool !
>>
>> oh and it was Rui Castro I was talking about for the keyboard :
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/android-framework/browse_thread/thread/c8ca666ee3fa9cca
>>
>
> Yes, that's the one I will incorporate.
>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> For now I have not yet seen what are the differences with previous
>>>> image (the broken one without video libs, that was quickly removed)
>>>>
>>>> I will now try with your latest kernel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> With latest kernel :
>> - when trying to shut down android, it is stuck showing "shutting down"
>> ....
>> - backlight brigthness cannot be adjusted (it looks like it is at
>> maximum).
>>
>
> Yes, I experience the same behavior here on shutdown. It is lower priority
> to me than the other problems, though.
> Backlight has moved in the new kernel. It's been a while since I've done any
> verification on that.
>
> You'll need to change /system/build.prop:
>
> backlight.lcd=/sys/class/backlight/gta02-bl
>
> I'm going to move everything forward to andy-tracking. Better to test now
> than later.
>
>> And WIFI seems to still not work (with either kernel) : "impossible to
>> search networks"
>>
>
> This has been broken for me a long time on various kernels. It must me
> something I'm doing wrong. I'll need to get Werner to help me on this. I
> just can't get anything on a scan at all.
>
>



From erin_yueh at openmoko.com  Tue Dec  2 13:32:30 2008
From: erin_yueh at openmoko.com (Erin Yueh)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:32:30 +0800
Subject: send/receive files via bluetooth in NEO
In-Reply-To: <40cd9ce40812020225v4fa13385s810433edfb024738@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4934F8DC.9000407@openmoko.com>
	<40cd9ce40812020225v4fa13385s810433edfb024738@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49352ADE.1070606@openmoko.com>

kimaidou wrote:
> That is a great news !
> When you ui is finished, could you propose your soft to the opkg.org 
> <http://opkg.org> software list ?
> 
> 
yeah, sure!

--Erin



From kimaidou at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 14:13:20 2008
From: kimaidou at gmail.com (kimaidou)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:13:20 +0100
Subject: send/receive files via bluetooth in NEO
In-Reply-To: <49352ADE.1070606@openmoko.com>
References: <4934F8DC.9000407@openmoko.com>
	<40cd9ce40812020225v4fa13385s810433edfb024738@mail.gmail.com>
	<49352ADE.1070606@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <40cd9ce40812020513u4be68c22g8963ef3bccdf8977@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for your answer and sorry for my "rushing" post. I did not want to
put pressure on you :-)
I just wanted to promote the opkg.org website, so that no great piece of
code will be lost in the mailing list archives.
Thanks anyway

2008/12/2 Erin Yueh <erin_yueh at openmoko.com>

> kimaidou wrote:
> > That is a great news !
> > When you ui is finished, could you propose your soft to the opkg.org
> > <http://opkg.org> software list ?
> >
> >
> yeah, sure!
>
> --Erin
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
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From openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net  Tue Dec  2 14:27:17 2008
From: openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net (Gothnet)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:27:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
Message-ID: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>


Improvements since the first release are evident, the graphics are now pretty
glitch free where they used to occasionally flicker.

However, since the last image I flashed, bluetooth has stopped working, I
now just get a message saying "Unable to turn on Bluetooth".

Wifi claims to turn on but fails to scan. Can't remember if this is better
or worse than before.
No keyboard, will attempt to find a way to install the one mentioned here: 

http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1583918

Err... does anyone know if suspend/resume works yet?

So anyway, we're still a little way off a useable phone, IMHO. I'm happy to
be contradicted here though.
-- 
View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/First-impressions-on-new-Android-rootfs-tp1603648p1603648.html
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From larrycow at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 14:42:32 2008
From: larrycow at gmail.com (Olivier Migeot)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:42:32 +0100
Subject: [QTEXTENDED] Very loud noise on (some) incoming calls
In-Reply-To: <op.uli6r6ec41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <389eeb980812010524haeafba3x41176ac8e8e31def@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00812010751q7e2b96ddu99e7df447c3034a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<389eeb980812010829y32effb2fs4ae364059f74bc2b@mail.gmail.com>
	<356bd97d0812011525q1a45f368n6381ba84aacacf5d@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL102-W621FEC9FE0F05C4B223787B9000@phx.gbl>
	<op.uli6r6ec41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <389eeb980812020542j550c03b5ta87bb052e93b1595@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 11:44 AM, arne anka <openmoko at ginguppin.de> wrote:

> accoustic feedback?
> could you try to change the als state file to one that disables the
> speaker when that noise occurs?

How could we do that?

Thanks.

(btw, that thing happened to me more often than ever in the last 24
hours. No specific change on my hardware or software, so it might as
well be a coincidence)

-- 
Olivier
 M.



From billk at iinet.net.au  Tue Dec  2 14:46:32 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:46:32 +0900
Subject: top bar clock in testing
Message-ID: <1228225592.9474.16.camel@rattus>

The round top bar clock in testing (illume) is not very useful - is
there a way of selecting a digital clock?

BillK


-- 
William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
Home in Perth!




From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Tue Dec  2 14:55:05 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:55:05 +0100
Subject: [QTEXTENDED] Very loud noise on (some) incoming calls
In-Reply-To: <389eeb980812020542j550c03b5ta87bb052e93b1595@mail.gmail.com>
References: <389eeb980812010524haeafba3x41176ac8e8e31def@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00812010751q7e2b96ddu99e7df447c3034a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<389eeb980812010829y32effb2fs4ae364059f74bc2b@mail.gmail.com>
	<356bd97d0812011525q1a45f368n6381ba84aacacf5d@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL102-W621FEC9FE0F05C4B223787B9000@phx.gbl>
	<op.uli6r6ec41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<389eeb980812020542j550c03b5ta87bb052e93b1595@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.uljfl3h941evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

>> could you try to change the als state file to one that disables the
>> speaker when that noise occurs?
>
> How could we do that?

usually by calling
alsactl restore /path/to/your/state/file

i don't know if qtopia provides alsactl or if there's another way to force  
the loading of a specific state.



From skerit at kipdola.com  Tue Dec  2 15:01:34 2008
From: skerit at kipdola.com (Jelle De Loecker)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:01:34 +0100
Subject: SHR applications on Debian
In-Reply-To: <1228165737.10634.789.camel@KIP-DU-SKER>
References: <1228163048.10634.786.camel@KIP-DU-SKER>	<1228163639.3459.54.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
	<1228165737.10634.789.camel@KIP-DU-SKER>
Message-ID: <49353FBE.1010907@kipdola.com>

Jelle De Loecker schreef:
> Op maandag 01-12-2008 om 21:33 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Joachim
> Breitner:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> Am Montag, den 01.12.2008, 21:24 +0100 schrieb Jelle De Loecker:
>>     
>>> I'm not requesting any packages of the SHR applications for debian, I
>>> want to make them myself. (The applications, not the packages)
>>>
>>> So, is there another way, or are the build instructions correct?
>>>       
>> the Debian way of building something is always ?on? the machine (so
>> either the FreeRunner, or an armel qemu image which might be faster).
>> There, you can just build the SHR apps using the regular
>> $ ./configure && make && make install
>> step.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Joachim
>>     
> Great! When I finally discover why the phone completely freezes when
> downloading a bunch of files I'll give it a go!
I'm getting somewhere, I'm just missing these packages:

No package 'libmokojournal2' found
No package 'libmokoui2' found
No package 'alsa' found

Where can I get libmokojournal2 & libmokoui2 ?
Since they're also part of the 2007.2 branch, shouldn't they be in the 
repository, too?

Greetings,
Jelle De Loecker



From cedric.berger74 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 15:02:20 2008
From: cedric.berger74 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E9dric_Berger?=)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:02:20 +0100
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 14:27, Gothnet <openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net> wrote:
>
> Improvements since the first release are evident, the graphics are now pretty
> glitch free where they used to occasionally flicker.
>
> However, since the last image I flashed, bluetooth has stopped working, I
> now just get a message saying "Unable to turn on Bluetooth".
>
> Wifi claims to turn on but fails to scan. Can't remember if this is better
> or worse than before.
> No keyboard, will attempt to find a way to install the one mentioned here:
>
> http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1583918
>
> Err... does anyone know if suspend/resume works yet?
>

- suspend/resume is known not work yet (at least not reliably).

- indeed bluetooth does not work anymore, but I guess it is because of
the newest kernel. I did not try it again with previous kernel though.
(anyway before I could scan/pair bluetooth but I could not do anything
more with it -file transfer, ...-).
- wifi still does not work. It is acknowledged by Sean and he is
investigating on this.
- with latest kernel, for exemple, backlight brightness is not managed
anymore. (because of some kernel changes). I tried Sean's modification
:
("You'll need to change /system/build.prop:
backlight.lcd=/sys/class/backlight/gta02-bl    ").
But I did not manage to get it work yet.

- Also Sean is working on integrating the software keyboard from Rui Castro .


For now, most wanted for me is a keyboard, and internet connectivity
(90% off android applications need internet access !).
Wifi does not work, GPRS either (for me at least), and I did not
manage to have internet access via USB  (though I have read this may
work ? Success anyone ?).



From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 15:27:52 2008
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:27:52 +0100
Subject: send/receive files via bluetooth in NEO
In-Reply-To: <4934F8DC.9000407@openmoko.com>
References: <4934F8DC.9000407@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <26fea52c0812020627l4c087884kccf4714d089e9d5a@mail.gmail.com>

small question:
will it work with the ps3
(because remoko doesn't for example)

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Erin Yueh <erin_yueh at openmoko.com> wrote:
> Hi List,
>
> I am working on bluetooth recently and I write few notes about OBEX in
> openmoko wiki. Also I am going to write a python UI script like a
> bluetooth manager. It would have some functions, like 'Browsing nearby
> bluetooth devices', 'Send file', 'Bluetooth preferences', 'Bluetooth
> power status'....etc.
>
> Just few steps, you can send or receive files via bluetooth in NEO. If
> you are interested, you may read wiki page.
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#OBEX
>
> Currently, I didn't write passkey event script yet and you could use
> other devices to pair with NEO. A simple UI script is coming soon....
>
> Cheers,
> Erin
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



From john_lee at openmoko.com  Tue Dec  2 15:45:17 2008
From: john_lee at openmoko.com (John Lee)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:45:17 +0800
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <1228215058.9474.8.camel@rattus>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<1228135664.26409.15.camel@rattus>
	<958244340812010451g36c0d199id6967625a90bf797@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228137748.26409.24.camel@rattus> <1228215058.9474.8.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <20081202144517.GI4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>

On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 07:50:58PM +0900, William Kenworthy wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 22:22 +0900, William Kenworthy wrote:
> > Thanks, also I was bit too rushed.  I shut down X which allowed me to
> ....
> > 
> > Fonts and widgets are far too large on apps like pythm, tangogps and the
> > like.
> > 
> ...
> 
> Fixed by adding the gtkrc fix from FDOM
> 
> Should I raise a bug for this - I think it is an old issue (as evidenced
> by the fact that FDOM has had the fix for awhile)
> 
> BillK

Please do since I couldn't find it in trac.  Here is the diff between the
old gtkrc from moko-gtk-engine and the one from FDOM:

$ diff -urN gtkrc /home/john/tmp/FDOMizer/fixes/gtkrc 
--- gtkrc	2008-10-30 18:42:30.000000000 +0800
+++ /home/john/tmp/FDOMizer/fixes/gtkrc	2008-10-19 16:12:35.000000000 +0800
@@ -12,6 +12,12 @@
 gtk-button-images = 0
 gtk-menu-images = 0
 gtk-icon-sizes = "gtk-button=32,32:gtk-small-toolbar=48,48:gtk-large-toolbar=48,48"
+gtk-font-name = "Sans 4"
+gtk-icon-theme-name="openmoko-standard"
+gtk-toolbar-icon-size = GTK_ICON_SIZE_SMALL_TOOLBAR
+
+
+
 
 # Set the default gtk-color-scheme property
 gtk_color_scheme = "fg_color:#fff;bg_color:#333;base_color:#aaa;text_color:#000;selected_bg_color:#ff7d00;selected_fg_color:#000"
@@ -182,10 +188,10 @@
 }
 widget "*.mokosearchbutton" style "mokosearchbutton"
 
-include "matchboxpanel"
-include "openmoko-calculator"
-include "openmoko-contacts"
-include "openmoko-dialer"
-include "openmoko-panel-plugins"
-include "openmoko-mediaplayer"
+include "/usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/matchboxpanel"
+include "/usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/openmoko-calculator"
+include "/usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/openmoko-contacts"
+include "/usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/openmoko-dialer"
+include "/usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/openmoko-panel-plugins"
+


I don't have enough knowledge to comment on it.  The second section
seems strange to me though, because it assumes files will be installed
to /usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/ while this should really be decided
by autotools.

Could someone please review it?  If it's okay I'm going to apply it to
svn.


- John



From dscaini at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 15:54:41 2008
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:54:41 +0100
Subject: [debian] sources
In-Reply-To: <jwvwsej9ft6.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org>
References: <18db98c80812011156o7a3ee2bexe3d37af6d3cad3a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228163524.3459.51.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
	<jwvwsej9ft6.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <18db98c80812020654r1db68df7u38ecf4cf547ab7cc@mail.gmail.com>

something like this?
deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian testing main
deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian unstable main
deb http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian sid main

d

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Stefan Monnier <monnier at iro.umontreal.ca>wrote:

> > You can of course install Debian stable on your FreeRunner, but it won't
> > contain any OpenMoko-specific software.
>
> I'm running fso-pkg (unstable) alongside plain Debian testing.
>
>
>        Stefan
>
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From openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net  Tue Dec  2 15:59:41 2008
From: openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net (Gothnet)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:59:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228229981533-1604011.post@n2.nabble.com>




C?dric Berger wrote:
> 
> For now, most wanted for me is a keyboard, and internet connectivity
> (90% off android applications need internet access !).
> Wifi does not work, GPRS either (for me at least), and I did not
> manage to have internet access via USB  (though I have read this may
> work ? Success anyone ?).
> 

Can't quite get there, I have a missing link. I can get into a shell on the
freerunner and see the ifconfig info for usb0 -

usb0: ip 192.168.0.202 mask 255.255.255.0 flags [up broadcast running
multicast]

And ping the notebook on 192.168.0.200. Adding a route with -

route add default gw 192.168.0.200 dev usb0

Once that's done I can ping the public IP address of the notebook as well. I
think there's some sort of firewall stuff on this machine (work laptop)
that's preventing me from forwarding packets, but the main problem I have is
that there's no /etc/resolv.conf so I'm not sure how to add DNS info. I
could add the file and try that I s'pose.

Also the command line ssh (dropbear client) chokes because it can't get
random data.
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From manda.mgf at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 16:12:56 2008
From: manda.mgf at gmail.com (Martino)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:12:56 +0100
Subject: Gsm problem
Message-ID: <27610ea60812020712q756f23cfye8d7d59106b675fe@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I have a om freerunner with om 2008.9 and a sim 128k (vodafone it)
and it doesn't work.. I tried to flash the gsm firmware and I finished
the procedure like the wiki says but it don't work.. Could I have make
a mistake? Where? How to check the gsm?

Thanks and sorry for my bad english..


Martino



From cedric.dufouil at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 16:20:49 2008
From: cedric.dufouil at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E9dric_DUFOUIL?=)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:20:49 +0100
Subject: Gsm problem
In-Reply-To: <27610ea60812020712q756f23cfye8d7d59106b675fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <27610ea60812020712q756f23cfye8d7d59106b675fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c90e120b0812020720t7352d7baldafe82ebd54e6813@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Did you get this when you complete the flash ?
(fluid, version 3) ok
Checksumming (269 * 8kB = 2152kB):  ok
Flash Detect: (0xEC, 0x22A0) Samsung K5A3240CT ok
Program: (34 sectors, 267*8k=2136k) (*******************) ok


If yes, it mens that the flash is OK. Maybe the new firmware doesn't
solve the compatibility with your SIM


On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Martino <manda.mgf at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, I have a om freerunner with om 2008.9 and a sim 128k (vodafone it)
> and it doesn't work.. I tried to flash the gsm firmware and I finished
> the procedure like the wiki says but it don't work.. Could I have make
> a mistake? Where? How to check the gsm?
>
> Thanks and sorry for my bad english..
>
>
> Martino
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



From jim at anconafamily.com  Tue Dec  2 16:21:16 2008
From: jim at anconafamily.com (Jim Ancona)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:21:16 -0500
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com>

C?dric Berger wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 14:27, Gothnet <openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net> wrote:
>> Improvements since the first release are evident, the graphics are now pretty
>> glitch free where they used to occasionally flicker.
>>
>> However, since the last image I flashed, bluetooth has stopped working, I
>> now just get a message saying "Unable to turn on Bluetooth".
>>
>> Wifi claims to turn on but fails to scan. Can't remember if this is better
>> or worse than before.
>> No keyboard, will attempt to find a way to install the one mentioned here:
>>
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1583918
>>
>> Err... does anyone know if suspend/resume works yet?
>>
> 
> - suspend/resume is known not work yet (at least not reliably).

Using Sean's new rootfs and his tracking kernel, suspend/resume does 
seem to work fairly well for me. I am seeing some spurious resumes, but 
I think that may be the GSM re-registration issue. I should apply the 
modem firmware upgrade, I guess.

> 
> - indeed bluetooth does not work anymore, but I guess it is because of
> the newest kernel. I did not try it again with previous kernel though.
> (anyway before I could scan/pair bluetooth but I could not do anything
> more with it -file transfer, ...-).

Haven't tried bluetooth.

> - wifi still does not work. It is acknowledged by Sean and he is
> investigating on this.

Scan doesn't work. I was able to connect to an open network using the 
Add a Wi-Fi network option in settings. I was able to check email using 
Wi-fi. The browser crashes without a message.

> - with latest kernel, for exemple, backlight brightness is not managed
> anymore. (because of some kernel changes). I tried Sean's modification
> :
> ("You'll need to change /system/build.prop:
> backlight.lcd=/sys/class/backlight/gta02-bl    ").
> But I did not manage to get it work yet.
> 
> - Also Sean is working on integrating the software keyboard from Rui Castro .

Until he does, I'm using the Q&D keyboard app that was mentioned here a 
while back. It works via cut & paste, but gets the job done.
> 
> 
> For now, most wanted for me is a keyboard, and internet connectivity
> (90% off android applications need internet access !).
> Wifi does not work, GPRS either (for me at least), and I did not
> manage to have internet access via USB  (though I have read this may
> work ? Success anyone ?).

Sounds like my wish list. I haven't tried GPRS yet.

I'd add that I'd really like to see code access via some sort of public 
repository plus build instructions so I could experiment and possibly 
help with fixes etc.

Jim




From openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net  Tue Dec  2 16:24:59 2008
From: openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net (Gothnet)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:24:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228231499297-1604131.post@n2.nabble.com>


Yup, DNS is the issue now.

Attached to another machine I can ping 66.249.91.147 but lookup of
www.google.com fails. To create a resolv.conf i had to remount the root
filesystem as rw with -

mount -o remount,rw -t jffs2 /dev/root /

But it didn't help. So, yes, net access over USB but no DNS.
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From manda.mgf at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 16:26:48 2008
From: manda.mgf at gmail.com (Martino)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:26:48 +0100
Subject: Gsm problem
In-Reply-To: <c90e120b0812020720t7352d7baldafe82ebd54e6813@mail.gmail.com>
References: <27610ea60812020712q756f23cfye8d7d59106b675fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<c90e120b0812020720t7352d7baldafe82ebd54e6813@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27610ea60812020726g347cfc8dj5003b71e63e52b28@mail.gmail.com>

Yes I finish it.. But now I can't use my old 64 k sim.. :(

2008/12/2 C?dric DUFOUIL <cedric.dufouil at gmail.com>:
> Hi,
>
> Did you get this when you complete the flash ?
> (fluid, version 3) ok
> Checksumming (269 * 8kB = 2152kB):  ok
> Flash Detect: (0xEC, 0x22A0) Samsung K5A3240CT ok
> Program: (34 sectors, 267*8k=2136k) (*******************) ok
>
>
> If yes, it mens that the flash is OK. Maybe the new firmware doesn't
> solve the compatibility with your SIM
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Martino <manda.mgf at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi, I have a om freerunner with om 2008.9 and a sim 128k (vodafone it)
>> and it doesn't work.. I tried to flash the gsm firmware and I finished
>> the procedure like the wiki says but it don't work.. Could I have make
>> a mistake? Where? How to check the gsm?
>>
>> Thanks and sorry for my bad english..
>>
>>
>> Martino
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



-- 
Martino



From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Tue Dec  2 16:35:49 2008
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:35:49 +0000
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com>
Message-ID: <200812021535.49389.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Tuesday 02 December 2008, Jim Ancona wrote:
> C?dric Berger wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 14:27, Gothnet <openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net> 
wrote:
> >> Err... does anyone know if suspend/resume works yet?
> >
> > - suspend/resume is known not work yet (at least not reliably).
>
> Using Sean's new rootfs and his tracking kernel, suspend/resume does
> seem to work fairly well for me. I am seeing some spurious resumes, but
> I think that may be the GSM re-registration issue. I should apply the
> modem firmware upgrade, I guess.

The upgrade to moko10-beta fixes #666 (for me anyway) but doesn't touch #1024 
and wasn't expected to. Until there is a gsm firmware fix for #1024 we will 
need the AT%SLEEP=2 fix as used by recent FSO and 2008.x.



From larrycow at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 16:37:45 2008
From: larrycow at gmail.com (Olivier Migeot)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:37:45 +0100
Subject: [QTEXTENDED] Very loud noise on (some) incoming calls
In-Reply-To: <op.uljfl3h941evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <389eeb980812010524haeafba3x41176ac8e8e31def@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00812010751q7e2b96ddu99e7df447c3034a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<389eeb980812010829y32effb2fs4ae364059f74bc2b@mail.gmail.com>
	<356bd97d0812011525q1a45f368n6381ba84aacacf5d@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL102-W621FEC9FE0F05C4B223787B9000@phx.gbl>
	<op.uli6r6ec41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<389eeb980812020542j550c03b5ta87bb052e93b1595@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.uljfl3h941evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <389eeb980812020737v7dc13136j6c36a449295e5932@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 2:55 PM, arne anka <openmoko at ginguppin.de> wrote:

> usually by calling
> alsactl restore /path/to/your/state/file
>
> i don't know if qtopia provides alsactl or if there's another way to force
> the loading of a specific state.

QTE provides alsactl, from what I can see. But what state file should
I restore? I never saved any...

Sorry if all this sounds (reads?) lame, but I never took time to fight
with sound issues yet.

Thanks alot.

-- 
Olivier
 M.



From openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net  Tue Dec  2 16:38:03 2008
From: openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net (Gothnet)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:38:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <1228231499297-1604131.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228231499297-1604131.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1228232283260-1604187.post@n2.nabble.com>


Please forgive me for replying to so many of my own emails...

Apparently the answer is "setprop net.usb0.dns1 $IP_ADDRESS"

Though I haven't made it do anything because the browser won't start,
there's no keypad to enter mail settings and the only command line tool I
can find (ping) doesn't seem to get the setting. Guess I need a keyboard.
-- 
View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/First-impressions-on-new-Android-rootfs-tp1603648p1604187.html
Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.




From monnier at iro.umontreal.ca  Tue Dec  2 16:39:32 2008
From: monnier at iro.umontreal.ca (Stefan Monnier)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:39:32 -0500
Subject: [debian] sources
References: <18db98c80812011156o7a3ee2bexe3d37af6d3cad3a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228163524.3459.51.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
	<jwvwsej9ft6.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org>
	<18db98c80812020654r1db68df7u38ecf4cf547ab7cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <jwvvdu2y4c5.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org>

> deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian testing main
> deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian unstable main
> deb http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian sid main

More like

deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian testing main
deb http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main


        Stefan




From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Tue Dec  2 16:43:54 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:43:54 +0100
Subject: [QTEXTENDED] Very loud noise on (some) incoming calls
In-Reply-To: <389eeb980812020737v7dc13136j6c36a449295e5932@mail.gmail.com>
References: <389eeb980812010524haeafba3x41176ac8e8e31def@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00812010751q7e2b96ddu99e7df447c3034a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<389eeb980812010829y32effb2fs4ae364059f74bc2b@mail.gmail.com>
	<356bd97d0812011525q1a45f368n6381ba84aacacf5d@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL102-W621FEC9FE0F05C4B223787B9000@phx.gbl>
	<op.uli6r6ec41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<389eeb980812020542j550c03b5ta87bb052e93b1595@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.uljfl3h941evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<389eeb980812020737v7dc13136j6c36a449295e5932@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.uljkngfp41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

> QTE provides alsactl, from what I can see. But what state file should
> I restore? I never saved any...

no need to -- you've already got a collection.
if all else fails, simply search your filesystem for files ending with  
.state, but the list archive should provide several postings with that  
path even for qtopia look for "echo" or "buzz" in august/september.

as long your states are the original ones the default should be  
stereoout.state, enabling the big lower speaker. for calls  
gsmhandset.state should be loaded; gsmheadset.state or headset.state (not  
sure about the differences) should disable even the little speaker on top.



From larrycow at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 16:50:20 2008
From: larrycow at gmail.com (Olivier Migeot)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:50:20 +0100
Subject: [QTEXTENDED] Very loud noise on (some) incoming calls
In-Reply-To: <op.uljkngfp41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <389eeb980812010524haeafba3x41176ac8e8e31def@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00812010751q7e2b96ddu99e7df447c3034a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<389eeb980812010829y32effb2fs4ae364059f74bc2b@mail.gmail.com>
	<356bd97d0812011525q1a45f368n6381ba84aacacf5d@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL102-W621FEC9FE0F05C4B223787B9000@phx.gbl>
	<op.uli6r6ec41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<389eeb980812020542j550c03b5ta87bb052e93b1595@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.uljfl3h941evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<389eeb980812020737v7dc13136j6c36a449295e5932@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.uljkngfp41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <389eeb980812020750o3d7c8694y5e11957f9413d8d0@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:43 PM, arne anka <openmoko at ginguppin.de> wrote:

> no need to -- you've already got a collection.
> if all else fails, simply search your filesystem for files ending with
> .state, but the list archive should provide several postings with that
> path even for qtopia look for "echo" or "buzz" in august/september.
>
> as long your states are the original ones the default should be
> stereoout.state, enabling the big lower speaker. for calls
> gsmhandset.state should be loaded; gsmheadset.state or headset.state (not
> sure about the differences) should disable even the little speaker on top.

Ok. I'll try that, but in a "controlled" environment (e.g. at home).
Because when the noise occurs here (at work), my first move is to
remove the battery ASAP.

"Yeah guys, I know that noise is killing your ears, but let me try to
SSH into my phone and fix it first" :)

Thanks, anyway.

-- 
Olivier
 M.



From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Tue Dec  2 16:54:27 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:54:27 +0100
Subject: [debian] sources
In-Reply-To: <jwvvdu2y4c5.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org>
References: <18db98c80812011156o7a3ee2bexe3d37af6d3cad3a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228163524.3459.51.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
	<jwvwsej9ft6.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org>
	<18db98c80812020654r1db68df7u38ecf4cf547ab7cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<jwvvdu2y4c5.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <op.uljk41t841evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

> deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian testing main
> deb http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main

after some problems [1] after the update saturday night i wildly guessed  
to blame the updated packages, downgraded the few packages in question and  
removed experimental from my sources.list

1: while installing a package manually via apt-get the fr froze -- since  
ssh (both dropbear and openssh, openssh seems more stable) is usually  
flaky and prone to die while doing apt-get/dpkg operations in particular,  
it took a while to detect the deep freeze. i had to remove the battery.
after reboot /var/lib/dpkg/available was gone and trying to acces the  
directory froze th fr again.
next boot the fr froze after switching to X, no console but no X yet, dim  
background. over.

booting to my old debian on sd worked, so i downloaded manually all 5 or 6  
packages, put them via scp into fr's flash and rebooted from flash ...  
this time X came up, i could ssh into and dpkg -i the packages.
no crashes so far.



From cedric.berger74 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 16:59:02 2008
From: cedric.berger74 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E9dric_Berger?=)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:59:02 +0100
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <1228232283260-1604187.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228231499297-1604131.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1228232283260-1604187.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <bff0f0570812020759s5cf92e78kbef5ce6e7de8f83a@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 16:38, Gothnet <openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net> wrote:
>
> Please forgive me for replying to so many of my own emails...
>
> Apparently the answer is "setprop net.usb0.dns1 $IP_ADDRESS"
>
> Though I haven't made it do anything because the browser won't start,
> there's no keypad to enter mail settings and the only command line tool I
> can find (ping) doesn't seem to get the setting. Guess I need a keyboard.
> --

the browser crashes because of Gears (not ported -and not open source-).
I had to remove it on the sdcard :
/data/data/com.android.browser/app_plugins/gears.so
Then the browser can start.


Maybe you can type mail settings via the copy/paste keyboard : ( apk
on http://code.google.com/p/netgents/downloads/list )

Another way to edit settings without keyboard is to configure apps in
emulator, then copy settings files (under /data/data/xxxxxx/ ) via adb
from emulator to neo



From mail at 3v1n0.net  Tue Dec  2 17:14:20 2008
From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:14:20 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <1228214857.9474.4.camel@rattus>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>	<1228135664.26409.15.camel@rattus>	<958244340812010451g36c0d199id6967625a90bf797@mail.gmail.com>	<1228137748.26409.24.camel@rattus>	<20081201140859.GA15760@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
	<1228214857.9474.4.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <gh3mbh$bom$1@ger.gmane.org>

William Kenworthy wrote:
> Thats it.  I installed my favourite gsmhandset.state which made the mic
> audio acceptable.  Then I modified PhoneProfile.conf as per #2140 and
> have audio again.
> 
> I presume this fix (#2140) will appear in an update shortly?

I guess, since the openmoko OE tree has been fixed...

-- 
Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux
http://www.3v1n0.net/




From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Tue Dec  2 17:35:28 2008
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:35:28 +0000
Subject: [debian/e17] Noise on receipt of SMS
Message-ID: <49dd78620812020835g4a332353m7fa8a054c067a82f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

Running debian and e17... occasionally I get a strange (but nice)
noise from my phone, and I've just managed to correlate this with
someone sending me an SMS.  But I don't see any message appearing in
the Zhone UI - where should I be looking?

If I reboot into Qtopia, the new message appears.

Thanks,
         Neil



From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 17:49:17 2008
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:49:17 +0100
Subject: [debian/e17] Noise on receipt of SMS
In-Reply-To: <49dd78620812020835g4a332353m7fa8a054c067a82f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49dd78620812020835g4a332353m7fa8a054c067a82f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26fea52c0812020849q31ade60kb38793b5fcc3649@mail.gmail.com>

have you tried closing and re-starting zhone?

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Neil Jerram <neiljerram at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> Running debian and e17... occasionally I get a strange (but nice)
> noise from my phone, and I've just managed to correlate this with
> someone sending me an SMS.  But I don't see any message appearing in
> the Zhone UI - where should I be looking?
>
> If I reboot into Qtopia, the new message appears.
>
> Thanks,
>         Neil
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Tue Dec  2 18:34:09 2008
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:34:09 +0100
Subject: [latest 2008.9] USB issues?
Message-ID: <3494db260812020934l17c1458dxa1fdefd177d5678a@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list,

I just installed the latest 2008.9 kernel and jffs2 and when I connect to a
debian 4 box it doesn't get listed as a USB device. As a result, I can't
establish USB networking. Am I doing something wrong here?

Thanks

Tony
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From hersche at puzzle.ch  Tue Dec  2 18:50:50 2008
From: hersche at puzzle.ch (Vinzenz Hersche)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:50:50 +0100
Subject: debian and xfce?
Message-ID: <4935757A.3060403@puzzle.ch>

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Hash: SHA1

hello there,

i want to try a xfce with debian and look into the manual to do this,
but i've a problem. the file

/etc/init.d/zhone-session
doesn't exist. ls-output:

debian-gta02:~# ls /etc/init.d/
README       checkroot.sh    hostname.sh        mountall-bootclean.sh
mtab.sh     rcS            stop-bootlogd-single  wpa-ifupdown
alsa-utils   dbus            hwclock.sh         mountall.sh           
networking  reboot         udev                  x11-common
apmd         dropbear        hwclockfirst.sh    mountdevsubfs.sh      
nodm        rmnologin      udev-mtab             xfce
bluetooth    fso-frameworkd  ifupdown           mountkernfs.sh        
pppd-dns    sendsigs       umountfs
bootlogd     fso-gpsd        ifupdown-clean     mountnfs-bootclean.sh
procps      single         umountnfs.sh
bootmisc.sh  glibc.sh        killprocs          mountnfs.sh           
rc          skeleton       umountroot
checkfs.sh   halt            module-init-tools  mountoverflowtmp      
rc.local    stop-bootlogd  urandom
debian-gta02:~#

the file called xfce is build from myself and had just a small, and i
think false, content:

debian-gta02:~# cat /etc/init.d/xfce
PROG_FSO=/usr/bin/startxfce4
debian-gta02:~#

i also used

update-rc.d -f zhone-session remove

which seems to work fine.. but i could do it so much as i want and it
does nothing..
debian-gta02:~# update-rc.d -f zhone-session remove
 Removing any system startup links for /etc/init.d/zhone-session ...
debian-gta02:~# update-rc.d -f zhone-session remove
 Removing any system startup links for /etc/init.d/zhone-session ...
debian-gta02:~#

so, where is the problem? is the article in the openmoko-wiki too much
old?

i'l make it correct, if i know how..

my link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#XFCE

hope for help. greets

vince

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From jim at anconafamily.com  Tue Dec  2 18:53:28 2008
From: jim at anconafamily.com (Jim Ancona)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:53:28 -0500
Subject: Koolu announces open-source Android port
Message-ID: <49357618.9060905@anconafamily.com>

Just noticed this on the Koolu site: http://koolu.com/Press-Release/

"Koolu is proud to announce availability of Google's Android Platform 
source code for the Openmoko phone "FreeRunner"."
...
"The code will be located in a git repository at git.koolu.org and the 
instructions and other information will be located in a forum at 
forum.koolu.org "

I don't see a post of the Koolu forum yet, but http://git.koolu.org/ 
looks interesting!

Thanks, Koolu!

Jim



From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Tue Dec  2 19:06:32 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:06:32 +0100
Subject: debian and xfce?
In-Reply-To: <4935757A.3060403@puzzle.ch>
References: <4935757A.3060403@puzzle.ch>
Message-ID: <op.uljq86np41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

> /etc/init.d/zhone-session
> doesn't exist.

zhone-session is dead.
what is used instead is nodm, which is installed by default (even at your  
fr according to the ls).

> my link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#XFCE

i think joachim posted a howto a while ago, search the archives for  
"nodm". it basically comes down to starting xfce from ~/.xsession.



From timo.lindfors at iki.fi  Tue Dec  2 19:15:45 2008
From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:15:45 +0200
Subject: debian and xfce?
In-Reply-To: <4935757A.3060403@puzzle.ch> (Vinzenz Hersche's message of "Tue, 
	02 Dec 2008 18:50:50 +0100")
References: <4935757A.3060403@puzzle.ch>
Message-ID: <84skp6fnou.fsf@sauna.l.org>

Vinzenz Hersche <hersche at puzzle.ch> writes:
> /etc/init.d/zhone-session
> doesn't exist. ls-output:

Have you installed the zhone-session package?

> so, where is the problem? is the article in the openmoko-wiki too much
> old?

http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner is the documentation your
should use.

Also, I don't use zhone-session. I just use normal xdm exactly like on
my PC.






From dscaini at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 19:23:15 2008
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:23:15 +0100
Subject: [debian] sources
In-Reply-To: <jwvvdu2y4c5.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org>
References: <18db98c80812011156o7a3ee2bexe3d37af6d3cad3a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228163524.3459.51.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
	<jwvwsej9ft6.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org>
	<18db98c80812020654r1db68df7u38ecf4cf547ab7cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<jwvvdu2y4c5.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <18db98c80812021023u6447d617ya518b42068fb2355@mail.gmail.com>

thanks i'll try the fso coming from there...
d

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Stefan Monnier <monnier at iro.umontreal.ca>wrote:

> > deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian testing main
> > deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian unstable main
> > deb http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian sid main
>
> More like
>
> deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian testing main
> deb http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main
>
>
>        Stefan
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Tue Dec  2 19:24:19 2008
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:24:19 -0500
Subject: [latest 2008.9] USB issues?
In-Reply-To: <3494db260812020934l17c1458dxa1fdefd177d5678a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db260812020934l17c1458dxa1fdefd177d5678a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081202182419.GC19878@thelackthereof.org>

You must add g_ether to /etc/modules to get the module to load on
boot.


On 2008.12.02.18.34, Tony Berth wrote:
| Dear list,
| 
| I just installed the latest 2008.9 kernel and jffs2 and when I connect to a
| debian 4 box it doesn't get listed as a USB device. As a result, I can't
| establish USB networking. Am I doing something wrong here?
| 
| Thanks
| 
| Tony

| _______________________________________________
| Openmoko community mailing list
| community at lists.openmoko.org
| http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community




From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Tue Dec  2 19:57:18 2008
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:57:18 +0100
Subject: [latest 2008.9] USB issues?
In-Reply-To: <20081202182419.GC19878@thelackthereof.org>
References: <3494db260812020934l17c1458dxa1fdefd177d5678a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081202182419.GC19878@thelackthereof.org>
Message-ID: <3494db260812021057r2e702349o13d91c9f6576f3fc@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:

> You must add g_ether to /etc/modules to get the module to load on
> boot.
>
>
> On 2008.12.02.18.34, Tony Berth wrote:
> | Dear list,
> |
> | I just installed the latest 2008.9 kernel and jffs2 and when I connect to
> a
> | debian 4 box it doesn't get listed as a USB device. As a result, I can't
> | establish USB networking. Am I doing something wrong here?
> |
> | Thanks
> |
> | Tony
>
>
is that the solution and how can I add that module?

In the meantime I did the following:

I re-installed the previous kernel (Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.uImage.bin) and
I  was able to establish USB networking. Does this mean that the
current/latest kernel is rather 'dodgy'? Am I the only one experiencing that
problem?

Thanks

Tony
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From skerit at kipdola.com  Tue Dec  2 20:03:57 2008
From: skerit at kipdola.com (Jelle De Loecker)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:03:57 +0100
Subject: [debian/e17] Noise on receipt of SMS
In-Reply-To: <26fea52c0812020849q31ade60kb38793b5fcc3649@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49dd78620812020835g4a332353m7fa8a054c067a82f@mail.gmail.com>
	<26fea52c0812020849q31ade60kb38793b5fcc3649@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228244637.10634.811.camel@KIP-DU-SKER>

Op dinsdag 02-12-2008 om 17:49 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Yorick
Moko:
> have you tried closing and re-starting zhone?
> 
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Neil Jerram <neiljerram at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > Running debian and e17... occasionally I get a strange (but nice)
> > noise from my phone, and I've just managed to correlate this with
> > someone sending me an SMS.  But I don't see any message appearing in
> > the Zhone UI - where should I be looking?
> >
> > If I reboot into Qtopia, the new message appears.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >         Neil
> >

I've also had some problems with receiving and sending SMS messages
through Zhone on Debian.

I can try to send a message but most of them never arrive. Zhone won't
give me any errors, either.
(Some messages I send get saved in my inbox with a (sent) prefix, which
is good, but most of them just vanish without a trace.)

I even had some problems with deleting messages and even adding
contacts. 

I'm not complaining here, I know what I was getting myself into, I'm
just sharing my experience with it. (I'm trying to install the shr
applications on debian)

Oh, and I like the "incoming sms" sound, too. Very nice to hear.

Greetings,
Jelle De Loecker




From skerit at kipdola.com  Tue Dec  2 20:13:05 2008
From: skerit at kipdola.com (Jelle De Loecker)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:13:05 +0100
Subject: debian and xfce?
In-Reply-To: <op.uljq86np41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <4935757A.3060403@puzzle.ch>
	<op.uljq86np41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <1228245185.10634.819.camel@KIP-DU-SKER>

Op dinsdag 02-12-2008 om 19:06 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef arne anka:
> > /etc/init.d/zhone-session
> > doesn't exist.
> 
> zhone-session is dead.
> what is used instead is nodm, which is installed by default (even at your  
> fr according to the ls).
> 
> > my link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#XFCE
> 
> i think joachim posted a howto a while ago, search the archives for  
> "nodm". it basically comes down to starting xfce from ~/.xsession.

Right, I'm using nodm and it works fine.
I've also added my own user, so I'm not running as root all the time.

I did that following this bit (Skip the second instruction.)
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#Running_X_as_normal_user

Then I only changed the username in /etc/init.d/nodm file (from root to
skerit)

Then I created the /home/skerit/.xsession file:

xfce4-session &
zhone &
openmoko-panel-plugin

And last but not least, I had to add this to the /etc/hosts file:
127.0.0.1 localhost debian-gta02

I'm not using the matchbox window manager, btw. I had more problems with
it then with xfce4's wm.

Greetings,
Jelle De Loecker





From aliasid at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 20:16:14 2008
From: aliasid at gmail.com (Al Iasid)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:16:14 -0500
Subject: auxlaunch ver 0.6
In-Reply-To: <200812012131.15612.david@electric-spoon.com>
References: <5933f39c0811301524n1f41a8ddm5766b1c06f7135fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812012131.15612.david@electric-spoon.com>
Message-ID: <5933f39c0812021116k5635a69fuebf5c30c52d29229@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:31 PM, David Pottage <david at electric-spoon.com>wrote:

> On Sunday 30 November 2008 23:24:07 Al Iasid wrote:
>
> > Here's info on an update to "auxlaunch", (finger-friendly
>
> Sounds interesting, would you care to mention which distro it is for?
>

Sorry, I should have mentioned distros. Auxlaunch was developed on Debian. I
also did limited testing on FDOM and SHR (using the "-noaux" option) though
they have a launcher and window manager already. Currently, I'm trying out
Hackable1.

aliasid
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From pander at users.sourceforge.net  Tue Dec  2 20:20:58 2008
From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:20:58 +0100
Subject: debian and xfce?
In-Reply-To: <1228245185.10634.819.camel@KIP-DU-SKER>
References: <4935757A.3060403@puzzle.ch>	<op.uljq86np41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<1228245185.10634.819.camel@KIP-DU-SKER>
Message-ID: <49358A9A.3000903@users.sourceforge.net>

What are the window managers to have been reported to work on OpenMoko
so far:
- enlightenment
- icewm
- xfce
- ...

Jelle De Loecker wrote:
> Op dinsdag 02-12-2008 om 19:06 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef arne anka:
>>> /etc/init.d/zhone-session
>>> doesn't exist.
>> zhone-session is dead.
>> what is used instead is nodm, which is installed by default (even at your  
>> fr according to the ls).
>>
>>> my link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#XFCE
>> i think joachim posted a howto a while ago, search the archives for  
>> "nodm". it basically comes down to starting xfce from ~/.xsession.
> 
> Right, I'm using nodm and it works fine.
> I've also added my own user, so I'm not running as root all the time.
> 
> I did that following this bit (Skip the second instruction.)
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#Running_X_as_normal_user
> 
> Then I only changed the username in /etc/init.d/nodm file (from root to
> skerit)
> 
> Then I created the /home/skerit/.xsession file:
> 
> xfce4-session &
> zhone &
> openmoko-panel-plugin
> 
> And last but not least, I had to add this to the /etc/hosts file:
> 127.0.0.1 localhost debian-gta02
> 
> I'm not using the matchbox window manager, btw. I had more problems with
> it then with xfce4's wm.
> 
> Greetings,
> Jelle De Loecker
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community




From andy at openmoko.com  Tue Dec  2 21:42:40 2008
From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:42:40 +0000
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <20081202074608.GF4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>	<49dd78620812011329w37b09629v5d4c971605d5c926@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081202074608.GF4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <49359DC0.2000300@openmoko.com>

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

|> Apologies in advance for what may be a dumb question - but does this
|> statement represent the conclusion of your team's work on audio issues
|> (buzz/echo/hiss etc.)?  Or is there further work ongoing?

"buzz / echo / hiss"... no software change can fix buzz.  It's baked
into the hardware and you will have to do fairly extreme meddling with
your soldering iron to impact it.

"Echo" reacts to some tweaking in alsa and maybe Calypso firmware option
selection, I guess this turn up in rootfs images as best it can.

"Hiss and Etc" I didn't hear about, but I don't think kernel or hardware
world can cover for any of it on existing device.  Only button to push
in userspace world is optimization of echo I think we find, unless
"hiss" is somethng like bad channel selection in alsa world.

- -Andy
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From deichkind.08 at schweiz.eu  Tue Dec  2 22:23:50 2008
From: deichkind.08 at schweiz.eu (Marian Flor)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:23:50 +0100
Subject: SD boot freeze, hang at boot time, why ?
In-Reply-To: <49347D9B.4010804@laposte.net>
References: <4932A26B.305@laposte.net> <4932DF94.3040904@openmoko.com>
	<1228074983.16739.5.camel@firebrick> <493348A9.3030800@laposte.net>
	<1228167437.6857.20.camel@firebrick>  <49347D9B.4010804@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <1228253030.7338.24.camel@firebrick>

Am Dienstag, den 02.12.2008, 01:13 +0100 schrieb Maelvon HAWK:

> You put me on the right way, I've forgot to change the "ext2load mmc" 
> to "fatload" with the "rootfstype=vfat". So now it works with vfat.
> 

I guess I was wrong. It should be 'rootfstype=ext2' and 'fatload mmc 1
0x32000000' in the NAND boot menu. But better you crosscheck on your own
with your device (see below).

Here is how to figure out what may cause the trouble at your site:

To see the differences between the NOR and NAND boot-entries first power
on the FR once with the combination "AUX then PWR" (NOR-Boot).

Connect the usb-cable with your Desktop-PC and connect to the FR with
your favorite terminal program [1].

Type "printenv" in the terminal. 

Write down (copy/paste ;-) ) the values for menu_1=...

Power down the FR (type "neo1973 power-off" in the terminal). 

Start it again with "PWR then AUX" to bring the NAND bootloader up. 

Connect with your favorite terminal program (i prefer minicom), type
printenv again and compare/adjust the values you wrote down from NOR.

good luck,
Marian

[1]
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X#Connecting_a_Mac_and_an_Openmoko_device




From nomeata at debian.org  Tue Dec  2 22:34:12 2008
From: nomeata at debian.org (Joachim Breitner)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:34:12 +0000
Subject: SHR applications on Debian
In-Reply-To: <49353FBE.1010907@kipdola.com>
References: <1228163048.10634.786.camel@KIP-DU-SKER>
	<1228163639.3459.54.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
	<1228165737.10634.789.camel@KIP-DU-SKER> <49353FBE.1010907@kipdola.com>
Message-ID: <1228253652.3535.22.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>

Hi,

Am Dienstag, den 02.12.2008, 15:01 +0100 schrieb Jelle De Loecker:
> No package 'libmokojournal2' found
> No package 'libmokoui2' found
> No package 'alsa' found
> 
> Where can I get libmokojournal2 & libmokoui2 ?
> Since they're also part of the 2007.2 branch, shouldn't they be in the 
> repository, too?

2007.2 hasn?t been packaged for Debian yet, so you?ll need to compile
these libraries yourself as well. Not sure what package will provide the
alsa dependency.

Greetings,
Joachim
-- 
Joachim "nomeata" Breitner
Debian Developer
  nomeata at debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C
  JID: nomeata at joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata
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From nomeata at debian.org  Tue Dec  2 22:37:38 2008
From: nomeata at debian.org (Joachim Breitner)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:37:38 +0000
Subject: debian and xfce?
In-Reply-To: <4935757A.3060403@puzzle.ch>
References: <4935757A.3060403@puzzle.ch>
Message-ID: <1228253858.3535.26.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>

Hi,

Am Dienstag, den 02.12.2008, 18:50 +0100 schrieb Vinzenz Hersche:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> hello there,
> 
> i want to try a xfce with debian and look into the manual to do this,
> but i've a problem. the file
> 
> /etc/init.d/zhone-session
> doesn't exist. 

the Wiki is slightly outdated. nodm is a generic replacement for
zhone-session, which uses the standard Xsession way of finding out what
to start.

I suggest you modify /root/xsession to start xfce instead of matchbox.

Someone willing to do some cleanup and general QA on
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian ?

Greetings,
Joachim


-- 
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Debian Developer
  nomeata at debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C
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From nomeata at debian.org  Tue Dec  2 22:40:21 2008
From: nomeata at debian.org (Joachim Breitner)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:40:21 +0100
Subject: debian and xfce?
In-Reply-To: <49358A9A.3000903@users.sourceforge.net>
References: <4935757A.3060403@puzzle.ch>
	<op.uljq86np41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<1228245185.10634.819.camel@KIP-DU-SKER>
	<49358A9A.3000903@users.sourceforge.net>
Message-ID: <1228254021.3535.29.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>

Hi,

Am Dienstag, den 02.12.2008, 20:20 +0100 schrieb Pander:
> What are the window managers to have been reported to work on OpenMoko
> so far:
> - enlightenment
> - icewm
> - xfce
> - ...

xmonad (but I didn?t try to compile my own configuration back then):
http://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/300-Xmonad-on-my-mobile-phone.html

in general, any should work (if not, it?s a bug), but of course not all
make sense.

Greetings,
Joachim
-- 
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Debian Developer
  nomeata at debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C
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From maelvon.hawk at laposte.net  Wed Dec  3 00:15:59 2008
From: maelvon.hawk at laposte.net (Maelvon HAWK)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:15:59 +0100
Subject: SD boot freeze, hang at boot time, why ?
In-Reply-To: <1228253030.7338.24.camel@firebrick>
References: <4932A26B.305@laposte.net>
	<4932DF94.3040904@openmoko.com>	<1228074983.16739.5.camel@firebrick>
	<493348A9.3030800@laposte.net>	<1228167437.6857.20.camel@firebrick>
	<49347D9B.4010804@laposte.net> <1228253030.7338.24.camel@firebrick>
Message-ID: <4935C1AF.6070008@laposte.net>

Marian Flor a ?crit :
> Am Dienstag, den 02.12.2008, 01:13 +0100 schrieb Maelvon HAWK:
> 
>> You put me on the right way, I've forgot to change the "ext2load mmc" 
>> to "fatload" with the "rootfstype=vfat". So now it works with vfat.
>>
> 
> I guess I was wrong. It should be 'rootfstype=ext2' and 'fatload mmc 1
> 0x32000000' in the NAND boot menu. But better you crosscheck on your own
> with your device (see below).
> 
> Here is how to figure out what may cause the trouble at your site:
> 
> To see the differences between the NOR and NAND boot-entries first power
> on the FR once with the combination "AUX then PWR" (NOR-Boot).
> 
> Connect the usb-cable with your Desktop-PC and connect to the FR with
> your favorite terminal program [1].
> 
> Type "printenv" in the terminal. 
> 
> Write down (copy/paste ;-) ) the values for menu_1=...
> 
> Power down the FR (type "neo1973 power-off" in the terminal). 
> 
> Start it again with "PWR then AUX" to bring the NAND bootloader up. 
> 
> Connect with your favorite terminal program (i prefer minicom), type
> printenv again and compare/adjust the values you wrote down from NOR.
> 
> [1]
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X#Connecting_a_Mac_and_an_Openmoko_device

Thanks Marian,

That's right, rootfs is ext2, and in /dev/mmcblk0p2. The mmc load is 
"fat" in u-boot. It boot all right now.

So now I'll boot on NAND, see if it'll freeze or no. I've added the 
"sleep 2" for microSD and flash (menu_1) !

Thanks a lot for your tips !

Maelvon

######################
--- ./configure-uboot-Debian-default.sh
+++ ./uBoot-for-Hackable/configure-uboot.sh
@@ -37,13 +37,15 @@
      ${bootargs_base} ${mtdparts}
      rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5;
    mmcinit;
-  ext2load mmc 1 0x32000000 ${sd_image_name};
+  sleep 2;
+  fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 ${sd_image_name};
    bootm 0x32000000
#####################







From rui.castro at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 00:27:03 2008
From: rui.castro at gmail.com (Rui Castro)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:27:03 +0000
Subject: Koolu announces open-source Android port
In-Reply-To: <49357618.9060905@anconafamily.com>
References: <49357618.9060905@anconafamily.com>
Message-ID: <ca542f150812021527x7c5a1a96of984cda01821f33@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I downloaded the code from http://git.koolu.org/ and tried to make the
generic image, simply executing make, but it fails with the following
error
--------------
make: *** No rule to make target
`out/host/linux-x86/framework/swt.jar', needed by
`out/host/common/obj/JAVA_LIBRARIES/sdkstats_intermediates/javalib.jar'.
Stop.
--------------

What should I do to compile a jffs2 image? Is it possible already?

Rui



On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Jim Ancona <jim at anconafamily.com> wrote:
> Just noticed this on the Koolu site: http://koolu.com/Press-Release/
>
> "Koolu is proud to announce availability of Google's Android Platform
> source code for the Openmoko phone "FreeRunner"."
> ...
> "The code will be located in a git repository at git.koolu.org and the
> instructions and other information will be located in a forum at
> forum.koolu.org "
>
> I don't see a post of the Koolu forum yet, but http://git.koolu.org/
> looks interesting!
>
> Thanks, Koolu!
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



From chris at grierwhite.com  Wed Dec  3 01:36:09 2008
From: chris at grierwhite.com (Christopher J. White)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:36:09 +0000
Subject: debian and xfce?
In-Reply-To: <1228253858.3535.26.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
References: <4935757A.3060403@puzzle.ch>
	<1228253858.3535.26.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
Message-ID: <1228264569.2815.626.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 21:37 +0000, Joachim Breitner wrote:

> Someone willing to do some cleanup and general QA on
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian ?

I can take a crack at this, since I just recently went through the pain
of an install.  What are your thoughts about duplication of effort
between the openmoko.org page and the debian.org page?  There's some
duplicate copy now, but there is unique and valuable information both
pages.

...cj





From chris at grierwhite.com  Wed Dec  3 01:36:09 2008
From: chris at grierwhite.com (Christopher J. White)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:36:09 +0000
Subject: debian and xfce?
In-Reply-To: <1228253858.3535.26.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
References: <4935757A.3060403@puzzle.ch>
	<1228253858.3535.26.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
Message-ID: <1228264569.2815.626.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 21:37 +0000, Joachim Breitner wrote:

> Someone willing to do some cleanup and general QA on
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian ?

I can take a crack at this, since I just recently went through the pain
of an install.  What are your thoughts about duplication of effort
between the openmoko.org page and the debian.org page?  There's some
duplicate copy now, but there is unique and valuable information both
pages.

...cj





From captain.deadly at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 02:22:54 2008
From: captain.deadly at gmail.com (Arigead)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:22:54 +0000
Subject: Funding Global Domination
In-Reply-To: <49054F4F.9010408@users.sourceforge.net>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>	<ge2uc6$9cu$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<49054F4F.9010408@users.sourceforge.net>
Message-ID: <4935DF6E.7050703@gmail.com>

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Hello All,

The UK Distributor recently posted up a price update as a Tax has been
reduced there. The post mentioned Christmas presents which got me thinking.

I'm very concious of the new waters that OpenMoko are charting, by
producing a high volume OpenSource Hardware device. I'm also concious of
the fact that they'll maybe need some of my money to fund their design
and development, of new platforms/toys for me. Unfortunately even when
the GTA03 comes out I'll probably not be able to justify another phone.

I recently bought an Ubuntu T-Shirt and was thinking that if OpenMoko
could throw together a simple design and people were interested in a
quality garment at the price that's right???

Just a thought and perhaps a bit late for Christmas. I wonder would
people be interested? Maybe if a few hundred people respond to this
email that would be a heavy load on this mailing list, so DON'T ;-) but
perhaps there would be some other way of gauging people's interest?

Could somebody official in OpenMoko respond to this email and perhaps
indicate whether the company would be interested in this idea and
perhaps some way of gauging if the community is interested? Perhaps
somebody in the Community could design a cool subtle OpenMoko garment?

Just a thought. They can't all be good ones! ;-)
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From prishelec at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 03:38:45 2008
From: prishelec at gmail.com (Leonti Bielski)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 03:38:45 +0100
Subject: mplayer with glamo and audio - very slow
Message-ID: <815cb1720812021838m38885447kdfc62c8fd510009b@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!

I'm trying to play some video preencoded for my phone with:
mencoder file_to_encode.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts
vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:vbitrate=300 \ -vf
scale=320:240,eq2=1.2:0.5:-0.25,rotate=2 -oac mp3lame -lameopts
br=64:cbr \ -o
file_for_openmoko

To watch it I run:
mplayer -vo glamo -zoom -x 480 -y 640 your_file.avi

It is played very slow and I get message from mplayer - "your system
is very slow" or something like that.
Than I tried it with -nosound option - and I don't get that message
and the fps seem acceptable.
I've always though video was an issue, but this shows me that audio
can significantly slow down the playback.

Should I encode my video differently?
Or something else is wrong?

Leonti



From erin_yueh at openmoko.com  Wed Dec  3 05:31:45 2008
From: erin_yueh at openmoko.com (Erin Yueh)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:31:45 +0800
Subject: send/receive files via bluetooth in NEO
In-Reply-To: <26fea52c0812020627l4c087884kccf4714d089e9d5a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4934F8DC.9000407@openmoko.com>
	<26fea52c0812020627l4c087884kccf4714d089e9d5a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49360BB1.9010302@openmoko.com>

mmh..... you may browse PS3 service.

# scan all nearby bluetooth service, check PS3 hardware address
$ hcitool scan

# browse its service, check it has OBEX file transfer? if yes, then you 
can use OBEX between NEO and PS3.
$ sdptool browse <PS3_HW_ADDR>

Like below:
Service Name: OBEX File Transfer
Service RecHandle: 0x10065
Service Class ID List:
   "OBEX File Transfer" (0x1106)
Protocol Descriptor List:
   "L2CAP" (0x0100)
   "RFCOMM" (0x0003)
     Channel: 11
   "OBEX" (0x0008)
Language Base Attr List:
   code_ISO639: 0x454e
   encoding:    0x6a
   base_offset: 0x100
Profile Descriptor List:
   "OBEX File Transfer" (0x1106)
     Version: 0x0100

-Erin

Yorick Moko wrote:
> small question:
> will it work with the ps3
> (because remoko doesn't for example)
> 
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Erin Yueh <erin_yueh at openmoko.com> wrote:
>> Hi List,
>>
>> I am working on bluetooth recently and I write few notes about OBEX in
>> openmoko wiki. Also I am going to write a python UI script like a
>> bluetooth manager. It would have some functions, like 'Browsing nearby
>> bluetooth devices', 'Send file', 'Bluetooth preferences', 'Bluetooth
>> power status'....etc.
>>
>> Just few steps, you can send or receive files via bluetooth in NEO. If
>> you are interested, you may read wiki page.
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#OBEX
>>
>> Currently, I didn't write passkey event script yet and you could use
>> other devices to pair with NEO. A simple UI script is coming soon....
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Erin
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community




From bastian.muck at gmx.de  Wed Dec  3 06:20:30 2008
From: bastian.muck at gmx.de (Bastian Muck)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:20:30 +0100
Subject: [QTEXTENDED] Very loud noise on (some) incoming calls
In-Reply-To: <389eeb980812020750o3d7c8694y5e11957f9413d8d0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <389eeb980812010524haeafba3x41176ac8e8e31def@mail.gmail.com>	<b66a83e00812010751q7e2b96ddu99e7df447c3034a7@mail.gmail.com>	<389eeb980812010829y32effb2fs4ae364059f74bc2b@mail.gmail.com>	<356bd97d0812011525q1a45f368n6381ba84aacacf5d@mail.gmail.com>	<COL102-W621FEC9FE0F05C4B223787B9000@phx.gbl>	<op.uli6r6ec41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>	<389eeb980812020542j550c03b5ta87bb052e93b1595@mail.gmail.com>	<op.uljfl3h941evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>	<389eeb980812020737v7dc13136j6c36a449295e5932@mail.gmail.com>	<op.uljkngfp41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
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I think a can bring a little light into the dark. When the feedback
occurs, either the free-speaking-option is activated (see options) or
none is activated. If you choose the handset-option, the feedback is gone.

Greetings Bastian

Olivier Migeot schrieb:
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:43 PM, arne anka <openmoko at ginguppin.de> wrote:
>
>> no need to -- you've already got a collection.
>> if all else fails, simply search your filesystem for files ending with
>> .state, but the list archive should provide several postings with that
>> path even for qtopia look for "echo" or "buzz" in august/september.
>>
>> as long your states are the original ones the default should be
>> stereoout.state, enabling the big lower speaker. for calls
>> gsmhandset.state should be loaded; gsmheadset.state or headset.state (not
>> sure about the differences) should disable even the little speaker on top.
>
> Ok. I'll try that, but in a "controlled" environment (e.g. at home).
> Because when the noise occurs here (at work), my first move is to
> remove the battery ASAP.
>
> "Yeah guys, I know that noise is killing your ears, but let me try to
> SSH into my phone and fix it first" :)
>
> Thanks, anyway.
>

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From xbmodder+openmoko at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 06:22:29 2008
From: xbmodder+openmoko at gmail.com (Sargun Dhillon)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 21:22:29 -0800
Subject: Bounties?
Message-ID: <7c9d57ea0812022122i7a10cbfeofc22e790f6ac90ca@mail.gmail.com>

Just out of curiosity, how many OpenMoko users out there would be
willing to pay for bounties? Additionally, how many developers would
work for bounties? What sort of bounties would you guys request? How
much would you pay?



From sean at mcneil.com  Wed Dec  3 06:36:04 2008
From: sean at mcneil.com (Sean McNeil)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:36:04 +0700
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com>
Message-ID: <49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>

Jim Ancona wrote:
> C?dric Berger wrote:
>   
>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 14:27, Gothnet <openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net> wrote:
>>     
>>> Improvements since the first release are evident, the graphics are now pretty
>>> glitch free where they used to occasionally flicker.
>>>
>>> However, since the last image I flashed, bluetooth has stopped working, I
>>> now just get a message saying "Unable to turn on Bluetooth".
>>>
>>> Wifi claims to turn on but fails to scan. Can't remember if this is better
>>> or worse than before.
>>> No keyboard, will attempt to find a way to install the one mentioned here:
>>>
>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1583918
>>>
>>> Err... does anyone know if suspend/resume works yet?
>>>
>>>       
>> - suspend/resume is known not work yet (at least not reliably).
>>     
>
> Using Sean's new rootfs and his tracking kernel, suspend/resume does 
> seem to work fairly well for me. I am seeing some spurious resumes, but 
> I think that may be the GSM re-registration issue. I should apply the 
> modem firmware upgrade, I guess.
>
>   
>> - indeed bluetooth does not work anymore, but I guess it is because of
>> the newest kernel. I did not try it again with previous kernel though.
>> (anyway before I could scan/pair bluetooth but I could not do anything
>> more with it -file transfer, ...-).
>>     
>
> Haven't tried bluetooth.
>   

bluetooth is setup to work with the new andy-tracking kernel. They've 
switched to using an rfkill switch which I didn't implement in the 
2.6.26 kernel.

>   
>> - wifi still does not work. It is acknowledged by Sean and he is
>> investigating on this.
>>     
>
> Scan doesn't work. I was able to connect to an open network using the 
> Add a Wi-Fi network option in settings. I was able to check email using 
> Wi-fi. The browser crashes without a message.
>
>   
>> - with latest kernel, for exemple, backlight brightness is not managed
>> anymore. (because of some kernel changes). I tried Sean's modification
>> :
>> ("You'll need to change /system/build.prop:
>> backlight.lcd=/sys/class/backlight/gta02-bl    ").
>> But I did not manage to get it work yet.
>>     

I forgot there is a permission setting in /init.rc that needs to be 
changed as well. Essentially change pcf50633-bl to gta02-bl.

>> - Also Sean is working on integrating the software keyboard from Rui Castro .
>>     

Yep, I'm working with Rui to get this in.

>
> Until he does, I'm using the Q&D keyboard app that was mentioned here a 
> while back. It works via cut & paste, but gets the job done.
>   
>> For now, most wanted for me is a keyboard, and internet connectivity
>> (90% off android applications need internet access !).
>> Wifi does not work, GPRS either (for me at least), and I did not
>> manage to have internet access via USB  (though I have read this may
>> work ? Success anyone ?).
>>     
>
> Sounds like my wish list. I haven't tried GPRS yet.
>
> I'd add that I'd really like to see code access via some sort of public 
> repository plus build instructions so I could experiment and possibly 
> help with fixes etc.
>
> Jim
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>   




From mail at 3v1n0.net  Wed Dec  3 06:54:17 2008
From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:54:17 +0100
Subject: Koolu announces open-source Android port
In-Reply-To: <ca542f150812021527x7c5a1a96of984cda01821f33@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49357618.9060905@anconafamily.com>
	<ca542f150812021527x7c5a1a96of984cda01821f33@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gh56cv$2e1$1@ger.gmane.org>

Rui Castro wrote:
> I downloaded the code from http://git.koolu.org/ and tried to make the
> generic image, simply executing make, but it fails with the following
> error
> --------------
> make: *** No rule to make target
> `out/host/linux-x86/framework/swt.jar', needed by
> `out/host/common/obj/JAVA_LIBRARIES/sdkstats_intermediates/javalib.jar'.
> Stop.
> --------------

Have you tried to run the compilation process with:
 make TARGET_PRODUCT=freerunner

This seems to compile...

> What should I do to compile a jffs2 image? Is it possible already?

I don't think that it is automatized, but maybe taking the out/ files,
comparing and merging them (mostly the settings files like init.rc) with
the ones from the Sean's image we could get a working rootfs...

-- 
Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux
http://www.3v1n0.net/




From haduong at centre-cired.fr  Wed Dec  3 09:47:42 2008
From: haduong at centre-cired.fr (Minh Ha Duong)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:47:42 +0100
Subject: Bounties?
In-Reply-To: <7c9d57ea0812022122i7a10cbfeofc22e790f6ac90ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c9d57ea0812022122i7a10cbfeofc22e790f6ac90ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812030947.43066.haduong@centre-cired.fr>

Le mercredi 03 d?cembre 2008, Sargun Dhillon a ?crit?:
> Just out of curiosity, how many OpenMoko users out there would be
> willing to pay for bounties? Additionally, how many developers would
> work for bounties? What sort of bounties would you guys request? How
> much would you pay?

I was thinking that knowing that someone works a graphical alsamixer, based on 
the real circuit layout, that highlights in real time the connected circuits, 
where you click on a control to change it, that can manage the .state files 
etc... would be worth about ?50 pocket money to me.

Minh
-- 
Minh HA DUONG, Charg? de Recherche, CNRS
CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le 
D?veloppement
http://minh.haduong.com



From haduong at centre-cired.fr  Wed Dec  3 09:51:44 2008
From: haduong at centre-cired.fr (Minh Ha Duong)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:51:44 +0100
Subject: Funding Global Domination
In-Reply-To: <4935DF6E.7050703@gmail.com>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>
	<49054F4F.9010408@users.sourceforge.net>
	<4935DF6E.7050703@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812030951.44535.haduong@centre-cired.fr>

> Could somebody official in OpenMoko respond to this email and perhaps
> indicate whether the company would be interested in this idea and
> perhaps some way of gauging if the community is interested? Perhaps
> somebody in the Community could design a cool subtle OpenMoko garment?

The second option is more like it. It takes a few hours to design a T-Shirt 
and upload it to an online store where everybody else can go and buy it. So 
just do it: the entry costs are so low that there is no real need for a 
formal market study !

Minh
-- 
Minh HA DUONG, Charg? de Recherche, CNRS
CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le 
D?veloppement
http://minh.haduong.com



From billk at iinet.net.au  Wed Dec  3 09:50:50 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:50:50 +0900
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
Message-ID: <1228294250.6451.11.camel@rattus>

On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 19:50 +0800, John Lee wrote:
> Dear Community,
> 
> As Sushama (our new testing team member) indicated in
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003493.html ,
> we won't have a release in Nov.  Currently the testing team is going
...

Ive been using this for a couple of days now and have some more items:

SMS messages are still being held up.  If the phone is suspended, it
will wake but never indicate an SMS has been received.  They only show
up when rebooting the phone, or mostly on restarting the xserver.  There
are a few bugs on this like 1766, but thats not exactly the same and was
supposed to be fixed in testing - would this fix come in as part of the
upgrade?

The wifi icon is still dodgy - comes on when wifi started, never stops
when wifi is stopped.

The GSM icon stays at one bar (or is it a "!"), never moves, even
before/after registration.

Other than the last, I though these issues were solved in testing, so
they might be upgrade issues.

BillK






From haduong at centre-cired.fr  Wed Dec  3 09:54:36 2008
From: haduong at centre-cired.fr (Minh Ha Duong)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:54:36 +0100
Subject: debian and xfce?
In-Reply-To: <1228264569.2815.626.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <4935757A.3060403@puzzle.ch>
	<1228253858.3535.26.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
	<1228264569.2815.626.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200812030954.36436.haduong@centre-cired.fr>

Le mercredi 03 d?cembre 2008, Christopher J. White a ?crit?:
> On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 21:37 +0000, Joachim Breitner wrote:
> > Someone willing to do some cleanup and general QA on
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian ?
>
> I can take a crack at this, since I just recently went through the pain
> of an install.  What are your thoughts about duplication of effort
> between the openmoko.org page and the debian.org page?  There's some
> duplicate copy now, but there is unique and valuable information both
> pages.

 I would prefer everything on Debian's wiki, and just a link in the 
wiki.openmoko.org . Simplest way to avoid duplication.

Minh



From erland at lewin.nu  Wed Dec  3 10:02:04 2008
From: erland at lewin.nu (Erland Lewin)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:02:04 +0100
Subject: Bounties?
In-Reply-To: <7c9d57ea0812022122i7a10cbfeofc22e790f6ac90ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c9d57ea0812022122i7a10cbfeofc22e790f6ac90ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a3fe38cf0812030102i34fa353aja0eb97cf972eee6b@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/3 Sargun Dhillon
<xbmodder+openmoko at gmail.com<xbmodder%2Bopenmoko at gmail.com>
>

> Just out of curiosity, how many OpenMoko users out there would be
> willing to pay for bounties? Additionally, how many developers would
> work for bounties? What sort of bounties would you guys request? How
> much would you pay?


I think I'd be prepared to pay for bounties. Probably on the order of
?30-40.

One thing I'd be prepared to pay for is some sort of handwriting recognition
or grafitti-style input.

First, though, I need to be convinced that my Freerunner is usable as a
phone. I have problems with GSM buzz and too low audio level at the remote
end. My Freerunner is basically sitting on a shelf until OpenMoko get that
stuff sorted out.

/Erland
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From gerard at post.com  Wed Dec  3 10:09:18 2008
From: gerard at post.com (Gerard_2009)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 01:09:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [FDOM] cannot save attachments in qtmail email application
In-Reply-To: <1227622533392-1576480.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1227622533392-1576480.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1228295358086-1608106.post@n2.nabble.com>



okay, it seems like nobody knows an answer to my question. let me ask it
differently.

is there an e-mail client for FDOM that i can use including attachments?
(that can save attachments of e-mails on the phone) ?

thanks for your help
Gerard


Gerard_2009 wrote:
> 
> 
> FDOM
> email account in the qtmail/messages application. ... 
> 
> problem I cannot save attachments.
> 
> When I click on the attachment, I can than click on "Add to documents" but
> i always end up with the error message:
> 
> "Please ensure that there is space available for Documents"
> 
> my / is on the internal storage and i got 100.6 MB available
> 
> i checked in the   /home/root/Applications   but didnt find a setting and
> chmoding the content to 777 didnt bring anything
> 
> also in .config  i didnt find a setting for the save path...
> 

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From antisol at internode.on.net  Wed Dec  3 10:15:40 2008
From: antisol at internode.on.net (Dale Maggee)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:15:40 +1100
Subject: Bounties?
In-Reply-To: <a3fe38cf0812030102i34fa353aja0eb97cf972eee6b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c9d57ea0812022122i7a10cbfeofc22e790f6ac90ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<a3fe38cf0812030102i34fa353aja0eb97cf972eee6b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49364E3C.9020508@internode.on.net>


>> Just out of curiosity, how many OpenMoko users out there would be
>> willing to pay for bounties? Additionally, how many developers would
>> work for bounties? What sort of bounties would you guys request? How
>> much would you pay?
>>     

I would certainly pay bounties.

The only problem I see really is that there are many issues which are 
wrapped up together.

For example, I'd happily pay AU$100 to have rock-solid with all the 
basic phone functionality, but for me this means suspend / resume, no 
echo, a simple (as in easy to use and understand) graphical volume 
control which can be adjusted during calls and automatically saves 
changes to the appropriate state file, PIM database and PIM 
synchronisation, Tasks / Calendar / alarms.

 From a user's perspective, these are kind of one big compound issue 
which I'd call "give me equal functionality / reliability to a cheap 
nokia", whereas from a developer's perspective they're many small and 
widely diverse things that need to be done / improved.

I certainly think it could be worth somebody setting up a bounties 
website, I believe I've seen similar things in the past...

-Dale



From antisol at internode.on.net  Wed Dec  3 10:18:00 2008
From: antisol at internode.on.net (Dale Maggee)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:18:00 +1100
Subject: Koolu announces open-source Android port
In-Reply-To: <gh56cv$2e1$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <49357618.9060905@anconafamily.com>	<ca542f150812021527x7c5a1a96of984cda01821f33@mail.gmail.com>
	<gh56cv$2e1$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <49364EC8.9060809@internode.on.net>

Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote:
> Rui Castro wrote:
>   
>> I downloaded the code from http://git.koolu.org/ and tried to make the
>> generic image, simply executing make, but it fails with the following
>> error
>> --------------
>> make: *** No rule to make target
>> `out/host/linux-x86/framework/swt.jar', needed by
>> `out/host/common/obj/JAVA_LIBRARIES/sdkstats_intermediates/javalib.jar'.
>> Stop.
>> --------------
>>     
>
> Have you tried to run the compilation process with:
>  make TARGET_PRODUCT=freerunner
>
> This seems to compile...
>
>   
>> What should I do to compile a jffs2 image? Is it possible already?
>>     
>
> I don't think that it is automatized, but maybe taking the out/ files,
> comparing and merging them (mostly the settings files like init.rc) with
> the ones from the Sean's image we could get a working rootfs...
>
>   
Is this a seperate porting project to the one we already knew about, or 
are they combining their efforts?


More importantly, does it work as a phone?

-Dale



From anthropophagite at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 10:29:27 2008
From: anthropophagite at gmail.com (Evgeny Karyakin)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:29:27 +0300
Subject: Bounties?
In-Reply-To: <49364E3C.9020508@internode.on.net>
References: <7c9d57ea0812022122i7a10cbfeofc22e790f6ac90ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<a3fe38cf0812030102i34fa353aja0eb97cf972eee6b@mail.gmail.com>
	<49364E3C.9020508@internode.on.net>
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> The only problem I see really is that there are many issues which are
> wrapped up together.
>
> For example, I'd happily pay AU$100 to have rock-solid with all the
> basic phone functionality, but for me this means suspend / resume, no
> echo, a simple (as in easy to use and understand) graphical volume
> control which can be adjusted during calls and automatically saves
> changes to the appropriate state file, PIM database and PIM
> synchronisation, Tasks / Calendar / alarms.
>
>  From a user's perspective, these are kind of one big compound issue
> which I'd call "give me equal functionality / reliability to a cheap
> nokia", whereas from a developer's perspective they're many small and
> widely diverse things that need to be done / improved.
>
> I certainly think it could be worth somebody setting up a bounties
> website, I believe I've seen similar things in the past...

   Looks sane. As virtually everybody want what you just enumerated,
these $100-200-300-more(?) can be collected from large crowd of
Openmoko users. Written once -- used by many. And yet it doesn't
violate open source/development spirit.



From hersche at puzzle.ch  Wed Dec  3 10:39:50 2008
From: hersche at puzzle.ch (Vinzenz Hersche)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:39:50 +0100
Subject: bootloader & contacts
Message-ID: <493653E6.4030000@puzzle.ch>

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Hello there,

thanks for the help by the xfce-debian-thread. it was very fast very
usefull. by time, i would update this part in the wiki.

now, i've got 2 other problems. if i restart my moko, the bootloader
hangs up and i see just the splashscreen.  i flashed it once with
dfu-util in section u-boot with the file
http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin
.

did someone know anythin about? my workaround is to press the aux-key
and then select boot. i think also, it's just, if the usb-cable is
connecting to the computer, but i didn't check it exactly.

the other thing, which is a smaller problem, how could i delete every
contact with one or two clicks in qtextended 4.4.2? if i must delete
every contact by hand, i had a day or more ;) which sqlite-file is
just for the contacts? (i've found 2 files, maybe there are more?) or
is there a possibility by the system?

great thanks for your help. :)

vince

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Puzzle ITC GmbH
www.puzzle.ch

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From chris at csamuel.org  Wed Dec  3 10:42:57 2008
From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:42:57 +1100
Subject: Bounties?
In-Reply-To: <a3fe38cf0812030102i34fa353aja0eb97cf972eee6b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c9d57ea0812022122i7a10cbfeofc22e790f6ac90ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<a3fe38cf0812030102i34fa353aja0eb97cf972eee6b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812032043.01129.chris@csamuel.org>

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 8:02:04 pm Erland Lewin wrote:

> One thing I'd be prepared to pay for is some sort of handwriting
> recognition or grafitti-style input.

That's already in QT Extended 4.4.2.

I can't use it, but it's all a matter of taste!

-- 
 Chris Samuel  :  http://www.csamuel.org/  :  Melbourne, VIC

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From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Wed Dec  3 11:02:45 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:02:45 +0100
Subject: bootloader & contacts
In-Reply-To: <493653E6.4030000@puzzle.ch>
References: <493653E6.4030000@puzzle.ch>
Message-ID: <op.ulkzivcs41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

> now, i've got 2 other problems. if i restart my moko, the bootloader
> hangs up and i see just the splashscreen.

booting what? and from where?

> did someone know anythin about? my workaround is to press the aux-key
> and then select boot. i think also, it's just, if the usb-cable is
> connecting to the computer, but i didn't check it exactly.

maybe you should check your nand boot env?

> the other thing, which is a smaller problem, how could i delete every
> contact with one or two clicks in qtextended 4.4.2? if i must delete
> every contact by hand, i had a day or more ;) which sqlite-file is
> just for the contacts? (i've found 2 files, maybe there are more?) or
> is there a possibility by the system?

not hint on the file, but there's a plugin for firefox that allows opening  
sqlite files with a gui

> http://code.google.com/p/sqlite-manager/



From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Wed Dec  3 11:05:42 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:05:42 +0100
Subject: Bounties?
In-Reply-To: <200812032043.01129.chris@csamuel.org>
References: <7c9d57ea0812022122i7a10cbfeofc22e790f6ac90ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<a3fe38cf0812030102i34fa353aja0eb97cf972eee6b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812032043.01129.chris@csamuel.org>
Message-ID: <op.ulkznskt41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

>> One thing I'd be prepared to pay for is some sort of handwriting
>> recognition or grafitti-style input.
>
> That's already in QT Extended 4.4.2.

not everybody uses qtopia.
and i certainly am willing to spend some money if handwriting recognition  
would be available for eg debian, like GraffitiAnywhere does: using the  
whole screen to write, and simple to learn.



From hersche at puzzle.ch  Wed Dec  3 11:15:44 2008
From: hersche at puzzle.ch (Vinzenz Hersche)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:15:44 +0100
Subject: bootloader & contacts
In-Reply-To: <op.ulkzivcs41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <493653E6.4030000@puzzle.ch>
	<op.ulkzivcs41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <49365C50.3050801@puzzle.ch>

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arne anka schrieb:
>> now, i've got 2 other problems. if i restart my moko, the
>> bootloader hangs up and i see just the splashscreen.
>
> booting what? and from where?
i mean just the normal u-boot. most, i want to start qtextended, but i
didn't think that this is important, cause it hang up by show the
bootloader-splash.
>
>> did someone know anythin about? my workaround is to press the
>> aux-key and then select boot. i think also, it's just, if the
>> usb-cable is connecting to the computer, but i didn't check it
>> exactly.
>
> maybe you should check your nand boot env?
yeah, because of this, i send the link too. is something wrong with
this file, version? is there a more stable u-boot-image?
>
>> the other thing, which is a smaller problem, how could i delete
>> every contact with one or two clicks in qtextended 4.4.2? if i
>> must delete every contact by hand, i had a day or more ;) which
>> sqlite-file is just for the contacts? (i've found 2 files, maybe
>> there are more?) or is there a possibility by the system?
>
> not hint on the file, but there's a plugin for firefox that allows
> opening sqlite files with a gui
thanks, could be a good thing :D
but, how i could connect over firefox into the openmoko?
ff doesn't support the fish-protocoll, on sftp it didn't make
something, and sqlite hadn't a deamon, so i don't know, how i could
connect to the FR (with firefox).

another thing is the file; which file i must modify exactly? could i
also just delete to delete all contacts or make this a crash?
>
>> http://code.google.com/p/sqlite-manager/
>
> _______________________________________________ Openmoko community
> mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


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www.puzzle.ch

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From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Wed Dec  3 11:24:17 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:24:17 +0100
Subject: bootloader & contacts
In-Reply-To: <49365C50.3050801@puzzle.ch>
References: <493653E6.4030000@puzzle.ch>
	<op.ulkzivcs41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<49365C50.3050801@puzzle.ch>
Message-ID: <op.ulk0irpy41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

>> booting what? and from where?
> i mean just the normal u-boot. most, i want to start qtextended, but i
> didn't think that this is important, cause it hang up by show the
> bootloader-splash.

imo it matters, since the splash is shown when booting from flash only.


>> maybe you should check your nand boot env?
> yeah, because of this, i send the link too. is something wrong with
> this file, version? is there a more stable u-boot-image?

u-boot != boot env

the configuration of the boot environment (ie the menu you) lives  
somewhere else, search the archives for "devirginator".



From spacepluk at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 11:25:36 2008
From: spacepluk at gmail.com (Oscar)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:25:36 +0100
Subject: Bounties?
In-Reply-To: <op.ulkznskt41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <7c9d57ea0812022122i7a10cbfeofc22e790f6ac90ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<a3fe38cf0812030102i34fa353aja0eb97cf972eee6b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812032043.01129.chris@csamuel.org>
	<op.ulkznskt41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <8c009b890812030225n157b656dv8e5fa1840ade2fa6@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't tested it but maybe this works for you:
http://www.handhelds.org/project/rosetta/

Saludos


On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:05 AM, arne anka <openmoko at ginguppin.de> wrote:
>>> One thing I'd be prepared to pay for is some sort of handwriting
>>> recognition or grafitti-style input.
>>
>> That's already in QT Extended 4.4.2.
>
> not everybody uses qtopia.
> and i certainly am willing to spend some money if handwriting recognition
> would be available for eg debian, like GraffitiAnywhere does: using the
> whole screen to write, and simple to learn.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



-- 
Oscar Morante
GPG: CA7417FF

"La nostalgia ya no es lo que era" - An?nimo

From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Wed Dec  3 11:32:20 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:32:20 +0100
Subject: Bounties?
In-Reply-To: <8c009b890812030225n157b656dv8e5fa1840ade2fa6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c9d57ea0812022122i7a10cbfeofc22e790f6ac90ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<a3fe38cf0812030102i34fa353aja0eb97cf972eee6b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812032043.01129.chris@csamuel.org>
	<op.ulkznskt41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<8c009b890812030225n157b656dv8e5fa1840ade2fa6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.ulk0v6g341evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

> I haven't tested it but maybe this works for you:
> http://www.handhelds.org/project/rosetta/

looks a tad better then cellwriter.



From timo.lindfors at iki.fi  Wed Dec  3 11:35:43 2008
From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:35:43 +0200
Subject: Bounties?
In-Reply-To: <7c9d57ea0812022122i7a10cbfeofc22e790f6ac90ca@mail.gmail.com>
	(Sargun Dhillon's message of "Tue, 2 Dec 2008 21:22:29 -0800")
References: <7c9d57ea0812022122i7a10cbfeofc22e790f6ac90ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <84abbdfsw0.fsf@sauna.l.org>

"Sargun Dhillon" <xbmodder+openmoko at gmail.com> writes:
> Just out of curiosity, how many OpenMoko users out there would be
> willing to pay for bounties? Additionally, how many developers would
> work for bounties? What sort of bounties would you guys request? How
> much would you pay?

How about using http://cofundos.org/ for this?

  "Cofundos helps to realize open-source software ideas, by providing
   a platform for their discussion & enrichment and by establishing a
   process for organizing the contributions and interests of different
   stakeholders in the idea."

It's bit like http://www.getacoder.com/ or http://www.rentacoder.com/
but geared towarads FLOSS.



From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt  Wed Dec  3 11:43:52 2008
From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (Vasco =?iso-8859-15?b?Tul2b2E=?=)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:43:52 +0000
Subject: [OM2008.x] praise for the new testing image
Message-ID: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>


I've followed the "community update" tip and upgraded from OM2008.8  
"stable" to "testing". After a little havoc caused by the previously  
installed gsm0710muxd, I finally got it to work on the GTA02v5.
I've only had it for a day now, but already I am very pleased with the  
results!
Reduced boot time, volume control during calls, and apparently a very  
well optimized energy consumption (still evaluating that).
"Jolly good show, lads"!! :D
Keep hacking that kernel, you're definitely in the right track now. ;)
I can't wait for WiFi to get on track... :)

My only gripe is the absence of Raster's keyboard, that I haven't been  
able to recover after the update... what's the magic there?

Happy Hacking,

Vasco.



From rms at 1407.org  Wed Dec  3 11:51:30 2008
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:51:30 +0000
Subject: Funding Global Domination
In-Reply-To: <200812030951.44535.haduong@centre-cired.fr>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>
	<49054F4F.9010408@users.sourceforge.net>
	<4935DF6E.7050703@gmail.com>
	<200812030951.44535.haduong@centre-cired.fr>
Message-ID: <20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>

On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 09:51:44AM +0100, Minh Ha Duong wrote:
> > Could somebody official in OpenMoko respond to this email and perhaps
> > indicate whether the company would be interested in this idea and
> > perhaps some way of gauging if the community is interested? Perhaps
> > somebody in the Community could design a cool subtle OpenMoko garment?
> 
> The second option is more like it. It takes a few hours to design a T-Shirt 
> and upload it to an online store where everybody else can go and buy it. So 
> just do it: the entry costs are so low that there is no real need for a 
> formal market study !

There may be trademark issues, better clear that with OpenMoko first!

Rui

-- 
P'tang!
Today is Boomtime, the 45th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174
+ No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown
+ Whatever you do will be insignificant,
| but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi
+ So let's do it...?



From skerit at kipdola.com  Wed Dec  3 11:55:29 2008
From: skerit at kipdola.com (Jelle De Loecker)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:55:29 +0100
Subject: SHR applications on Debian
In-Reply-To: <1228253652.3535.22.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
References: <1228163048.10634.786.camel@KIP-DU-SKER>	<1228163639.3459.54.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>	<1228165737.10634.789.camel@KIP-DU-SKER>
	<49353FBE.1010907@kipdola.com>
	<1228253652.3535.22.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
Message-ID: <493665A1.9020606@kipdola.com>

Joachim Breitner schreef:
> Hi,
>
> Am Dienstag, den 02.12.2008, 15:01 +0100 schrieb Jelle De Loecker:
>   
>> No package 'libmokojournal2' found
>> No package 'libmokoui2' found
>> No package 'alsa' found
>>
>> Where can I get libmokojournal2 & libmokoui2 ?
>> Since they're also part of the 2007.2 branch, shouldn't they be in the 
>> repository, too?
>>     
>
> 2007.2 hasn?t been packaged for Debian yet, so you?ll need to compile
> these libraries yourself as well. Not sure what package will provide the
> alsa dependency.
>
> Greetings,
> Joachim
>   
After installing the libasound packages (regular and -dev) it went away.
I also had to do some searching, but eventually I found libmokojournal2 
and was able to compile them myself.

Unfortunately, I was trying to compile the GTK version of some library, 
which apparantly isn't finished yet (It won't compile, under development)

I switched to the enlightenment version, but now it complains about ETK 
and Elemental, but I have NO idea where I need to get these. I can't 
find any packages in the repo, on any source repository, ...



From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Wed Dec  3 11:58:40 2008
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:58:40 +0100
Subject: [OM2008.x] praise for the new testing image
In-Reply-To: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
References: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <3494db260812030258t69a5a525i8803f7619791b79d@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Vasco N?voa <vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt> wrote:

>
> I've followed the "community update" tip and upgraded from OM2008.8
> "stable" to "testing". After a little havoc caused by the previously
> installed gsm0710muxd, I finally got it to work on the GTA02v5.
> I've only had it for a day now, but already I am very pleased with the
> results!
> Reduced boot time, volume control during calls, and apparently a very
> well optimized energy consumption (still evaluating that).
> "Jolly good show, lads"!! :D
> Keep hacking that kernel, you're definitely in the right track now. ;)
> I can't wait for WiFi to get on track... :)
>
> My only gripe is the absence of Raster's keyboard, that I haven't been
> able to recover after the update... what's the magic there?
>
> Happy Hacking,
>
> Vasco.
>
>
didn't you get WSOD?
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From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Wed Dec  3 11:59:05 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:59:05 +0100
Subject: Funding Global Domination
In-Reply-To: <20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>
	<49054F4F.9010408@users.sourceforge.net> <4935DF6E.7050703@gmail.com>
	<200812030951.44535.haduong@centre-cired.fr>
	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <op.ulk14r0j41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

>> The second option is more like it. It takes a few hours to design a  
>> T-Shirt
>> and upload it to an online store where everybody else can go and buy  
>> it. So
>> just do it: the entry costs are so low that there is no real need for a
>> formal market study !
>
> There may be trademark issues, better clear that with OpenMoko first!

not only that.
didn't the op intend to propose a way for _openmoko_ to earn more money?
while anybody might donate artwork, the actual distribution has to be done  
on behalf of openmoko -- or more reasonably by openmoko itself.



From billk at iinet.net.au  Wed Dec  3 12:00:29 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:00:29 +0900
Subject: [OM2008.x] praise for the new testing image
In-Reply-To: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
References: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <1228302029.6451.33.camel@rattus>

Can you confirm that you can receive an SMS after being *suspended* for
~10 minutes or so?  For me the phone comes out of suspend, but I have to
reboot (or restart X) to get at the message, and twice the phone (not X)
crashed after I accessed a message.

Looking for confirmation I am not the only one seeing this with the
update ...

I got rasters keyboard - in fact I cant get rid of the bloody thing! - I
would like to just have terminal and none of the others as they keep
changing back and forward halfway through typing messages :)

Billk



On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 10:43 +0000, Vasco N?voa wrote:
> I've followed the "community update" tip and upgraded from OM2008.8  
> "stable" to "testing". After a little havoc caused by the previously  
> installed gsm0710muxd, I finally got it to work on the GTA02v5.
> I've only had it for a day now, but already I am very pleased with the  
> results!
> Reduced boot time, volume control during calls, and apparently a very  
> well optimized energy consumption (still evaluating that).
> "Jolly good show, lads"!! :D
> Keep hacking that kernel, you're definitely in the right track now. ;)
> I can't wait for WiFi to get on track... :)
> 
> My only gripe is the absence of Raster's keyboard, that I haven't been  
> able to recover after the update... what's the magic there?
> 
> Happy Hacking,
> 
> Vasco.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
-- 
William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
Home in Perth!




From wessel at nefkom.net  Wed Dec  3 12:37:12 2008
From: wessel at nefkom.net (Sascha Wessel)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:37:12 +0100
Subject: SHR applications on Debian
In-Reply-To: <493665A1.9020606@kipdola.com>
References: <1228163048.10634.786.camel@KIP-DU-SKER>
	<1228163639.3459.54.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
	<1228165737.10634.789.camel@KIP-DU-SKER>
	<49353FBE.1010907@kipdola.com>
	<1228253652.3535.22.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
	<493665A1.9020606@kipdola.com>
Message-ID: <20081203113712.GC1989@s>

Hi,


On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:55:29AM +0100, Jelle De Loecker wrote:
> I switched to the enlightenment version, but now it complains about ETK 
> and Elemental, but I have NO idea where I need to get these. I can't 
> find any packages in the repo, on any source repository, ...

http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/

Next time please search...
http://git.openembedded.net/
http://shr.bearstech.com/git/


Greetings,
Sascha




From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt  Wed Dec  3 12:39:34 2008
From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (Vasco =?iso-8859-15?b?Tul2b2E=?=)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:39:34 +0000
Subject: [OM2008.x] praise for the new testing image
In-Reply-To: <3494db260812030258t69a5a525i8803f7619791b79d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<3494db260812030258t69a5a525i8803f7619791b79d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081203113934.159612s1iw6kjieu@w0.mail.sapo.pt>



Citando Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com>:

> didn't you get WSOD??

No, I never got it, with this image or with any other. I suppose it is  
HW-related?... probably one of those HW tolerances that is triggered  
by bad SW habits... :(



From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt  Wed Dec  3 12:53:29 2008
From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (Vasco =?iso-8859-15?b?Tul2b2E=?=)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:53:29 +0000
Subject: [OM2008.x] praise for the new testing image
In-Reply-To: <1228302029.6451.33.camel@rattus>
References: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<1228302029.6451.33.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <20081203115329.12514e3yu8sza6nt@w0.mail.sapo.pt>


Citando William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:
> Can you confirm that you can receive an SMS after being *suspended* for
> ~10 minutes or so?  For me the phone comes out of suspend, but I have to
> reboot (or restart X) to get at the message, and twice the phone (not X)
> crashed after I accessed a message.
> Looking for confirmation I am not the only one seeing this with the
> update ...

No problem so far over here, sorry!... I just got a couple of messages  
a few minutes ago, and it was definitely sleeping...
Make sure your home files (if they are on card) that are acessed by  
QPE are not a problem.
Search in logread for any binary compatibility qtopia problems; I  
remember there are some "registry" files that qtopia keeps that maybe  
out of synch with the real libs installed...
Something that happened to me was that QPE was exiting because some  
file-indexing thread was dying... it works fine now that I disabled  
sd-card (home) indexing in  
/opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf.

> I got rasters keyboard - in fact I cant get rid of the bloody thing! - I
> would like to just have terminal and none of the others as they keep
> changing back and forward halfway through typing messages :)
You're right, it is a PITA. Do you have QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1  
inside /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia ?

Happy Hacking!



From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt  Wed Dec  3 12:58:06 2008
From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (Vasco =?iso-8859-15?b?Tul2b2E=?=)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:58:06 +0000
Subject: [OM2008.x] praise for the new testing image
In-Reply-To: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
References: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <20081203115806.1272344klrgwv6tq@w0.mail.sapo.pt>

Another 2 positive points I forgot to mention:
- the UCSD messages are now correctly displayed (yay, I can see my  
account balance!!)
- the illume resume bug (on first tap) is finally gone! (yay, no more  
danger of running out of battery during the night if an SMS or call  
comes in).

Citando Vasco N?voa <vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt>:
>
> I've followed the "community update" tip and upgraded from OM2008.8
> "stable" to "testing". After a little havoc caused by the previously
> installed gsm0710muxd, I finally got it to work on the GTA02v5.
> I've only had it for a day now, but already I am very pleased with the
> results!
> Reduced boot time, volume control during calls, and apparently a very
> well optimized energy consumption (still evaluating that).
> "Jolly good show, lads"!! :D
> Keep hacking that kernel, you're definitely in the right track now. ;)
> I can't wait for WiFi to get on track... :)
>
> My only gripe is the absence of Raster's keyboard, that I haven't been
> able to recover after the update... what's the magic there?
>
> Happy Hacking,
>
> Vasco.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>




From gecco at napodano.com  Wed Dec  3 13:03:50 2008
From: gecco at napodano.com (Carlo Minucci)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:03:50 +0100
Subject: TwitterMoko 0.4 out
Message-ID: <493675A6.10803@napodano.com>

hi (sorry for my bad english)
i have released a new version of TwitterMoko (a client for twitter)

check the wiki page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/TwitterMoko



From billk at iinet.net.au  Wed Dec  3 13:22:12 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:22:12 +0900
Subject: [OM2008.x] praise for the new testing image
In-Reply-To: <20081203115329.12514e3yu8sza6nt@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
References: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<1228302029.6451.33.camel@rattus>
	<20081203115329.12514e3yu8sza6nt@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <1228306932.6451.42.camel@rattus>

On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 11:53 +0000, Vasco N?voa wrote:
> Citando William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:
> > Can you confirm that you can receive an SMS after being *suspended* for
> > ~10 minutes or so?  For me the phone comes out of suspend, but I have to
> > reboot (or restart X) to get at the message, and twice the phone (not X)
> > crashed after I accessed a message.
> > Looking for confirmation I am not the only one seeing this with the
> > update ...
> 
> No problem so far over here, sorry!... I just got a couple of messages  
> a few minutes ago, and it was definitely sleeping...
> Make sure your home files (if they are on card) that are acessed by  
> QPE are not a problem.
> Search in logread for any binary compatibility qtopia problems; I  
> remember there are some "registry" files that qtopia keeps that maybe  
> out of synch with the real libs installed...
> Something that happened to me was that QPE was exiting because some  
> file-indexing thread was dying... it works fine now that I disabled  
> sd-card (home) indexing in  
> /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf.
> 
> > I got rasters keyboard - in fact I cant get rid of the bloody thing! - I
> > would like to just have terminal and none of the others as they keep
> > changing back and forward halfway through typing messages :)
> You're right, it is a PITA. Do you have QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1  
> inside /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia ?
> 
> Happy Hacking!

Yes, SD card indexing is off.  The only distro that worked was 2007.2 -
all the later ones wont receive SMS while suspended.  I also used to get
registering/PIN problems until I flashed moko10b2 into the GSM, so
probably more issues there (vodafone 128K SIM).  There are some fixed
bugs with almost, but not quite the same symptoms (voice calls are fine
for me, they were affected by the bugs too) - - so my thought is that
maybe the upgrade didnt cover the fixes.

And also yes, I have modified 89qtopia - but it doesn't seem to have
much of an effect :(

BillK





From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt  Wed Dec  3 13:28:45 2008
From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (Vasco =?iso-8859-15?b?Tul2b2E=?=)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:28:45 +0000
Subject: [OM2008.x] praise for the new testing image
In-Reply-To: <1228306932.6451.42.camel@rattus>
References: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<1228302029.6451.33.camel@rattus>
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	<1228306932.6451.42.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <20081203122845.14434nz4l61rhd31@w0.mail.sapo.pt>


Citando William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:
> And also yes, I have modified 89qtopia - but it doesn't seem to have
> much of an effect :(
I found out how my illume keyboard went missing. From the wiki:
edit '/etc/enlightenment/default_profile' to use illume theme instead of 'asu'
So, if you just want to get rid of it, replace illume with asu inside  
/etc/enlightenment/default_profile ...
But if you want to keep it exclusively for the terminal, I don't know how...



From openmoko at darkganja.net  Wed Dec  3 13:43:26 2008
From: openmoko at darkganja.net (Pierre Lascar)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:43:26 +0100
Subject: mplayer with glamo and audio - very slow
In-Reply-To: <815cb1720812021838m38885447kdfc62c8fd510009b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <815cb1720812021838m38885447kdfc62c8fd510009b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49367EEE.7070502@darkganja.net>

Le 03/12/2008 03:38, Leonti Bielski a ?crit :
>  Hello!
>
>  I'm trying to play some video preencoded for my phone with: mencoder
>  file_to_encode.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:vbitrate=300
>  \ -vf scale=320:240,eq2=1.2:0.5:-0.25,rotate=2 -oac mp3lame
>  -lameopts br=64:cbr \ -o file_for_openmoko
>
>  To watch it I run: mplayer -vo glamo -zoom -x 480 -y 640
>  your_file.avi
>
>  It is played very slow and I get message from mplayer - "your system
>  is very slow" or something like that. Than I tried it with -nosound
>  option - and I don't get that message and the fps seem acceptable.
>  I've always though video was an issue, but this shows me that audio
>  can significantly slow down the playback.

Hi !
I'm having the same trouble, encoding in qPAL as stated for glamo 
decoding, with the following options:
mencoder in.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:vbitrate=300 
-ffourcc mp4v -vf scale=352:-2,expand=352:288,eq2=1.2:0.5:-0.25,rotate=2 
-oac mp3lame -lameopts br=64:cbr -o out.avi

Whe playing the file with nosound (and no zoom), top shows a very low 
CPU% from mplayer (2-5
at most) so the chip is used, but when the sound gets involved, 
framerate drops and the sound is not syncronised. (everything done from 
flash, not the microsd, so the bandwith stufff shouldn't mess).

Maybe the problem comes from frame/sound sync in the glamo driver.

Pierre.




From chris at csamuel.org  Wed Dec  3 13:48:08 2008
From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:48:08 +1100
Subject: Bounties?
In-Reply-To: <op.ulkznskt41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <7c9d57ea0812022122i7a10cbfeofc22e790f6ac90ca@mail.gmail.com>
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	<op.ulkznskt41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <200812032348.08501.chris@csamuel.org>

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 9:05:42 pm arne anka wrote:

> not everybody uses qtopia.

I didn't mean to imply that they did, just that it exists.

-- 
 Chris Samuel  :  http://www.csamuel.org/  :  Melbourne, VIC

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From hiretto at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 14:10:20 2008
From: hiretto at gmail.com (Riccardo Centra)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:10:20 +0100
Subject: TwitterMoko 0.4 out
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Hi Carlo,
TwitterMoko is very cool and I always use it ;)
However, are you interested to make a client for Facebook? I really
appreciate it too :)

Bye and thank you for twittermoko

PS: i am italian too :D
2008/12/3 <gecco at napodano.com>

> hi (sorry for my bad english)
> i have released a new version of TwitterMoko (a client for twitter)
>
> check the wiki page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/TwitterMoko
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From gecco at napodano.com  Wed Dec  3 14:24:11 2008
From: gecco at napodano.com (Carlo Minucci)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:24:11 +0100
Subject: TwitterMoko 0.4 out
In-Reply-To: <424a1eac0812030510s183ae70ew5851ab1b9972ab2d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <493675A6.10803@napodano.com>
	<424a1eac0812030510s183ae70ew5851ab1b9972ab2d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4936887B.8070504@napodano.com>

Riccardo Centra ha scritto:
> Hi Carlo,
> TwitterMoko is very cool and I always use it ;)

thanks a lot

> However, are you interested to make a client for Facebook? I really 
> appreciate it too :)

use a browser :)
i hate facebook

> Bye and thank you for twittermoko
> 
> PS: i am italian too :D

e allora parla italiano :)



From ant at truebox.co.uk  Wed Dec  3 14:51:28 2008
From: ant at truebox.co.uk (Antony King)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:51:28 +0000
Subject: mplayer with glamo and audio - very slow
In-Reply-To: <49367EEE.7070502@darkganja.net>
References: <815cb1720812021838m38885447kdfc62c8fd510009b@mail.gmail.com>
	<49367EEE.7070502@darkganja.net>
Message-ID: <200812031351.29581.ant@truebox.co.uk>


I seem to recall there was an issue a while back with pulseaudio transcoding 
the audio on the fly between identical formats and gobbling CPU in the 
process. Could that be a possibility here ?

On Wednesday 03 December 2008 12:43:26 Pierre Lascar wrote:
> Le 03/12/2008 03:38, Leonti Bielski a ?crit :
> >  Hello!
> >
> >  I'm trying to play some video preencoded for my phone with: mencoder
> >  file_to_encode.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:vbitrate=300
> >  \ -vf scale=320:240,eq2=1.2:0.5:-0.25,rotate=2 -oac mp3lame
> >  -lameopts br=64:cbr \ -o file_for_openmoko
> >
> >  To watch it I run: mplayer -vo glamo -zoom -x 480 -y 640
> >  your_file.avi
> >
> >  It is played very slow and I get message from mplayer - "your system
> >  is very slow" or something like that. Than I tried it with -nosound
> >  option - and I don't get that message and the fps seem acceptable.
> >  I've always though video was an issue, but this shows me that audio
> >  can significantly slow down the playback.




From john_lee at openmoko.com  Wed Dec  3 14:54:08 2008
From: john_lee at openmoko.com (John Lee)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:54:08 +0800
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <1228294250.6451.11.camel@rattus>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost> <1228294250.6451.11.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <20081203135407.GL4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>

On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 05:50:50PM +0900, William Kenworthy wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 19:50 +0800, John Lee wrote:
> > Dear Community,
> > 
> > As Sushama (our new testing team member) indicated in
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003493.html ,
> > we won't have a release in Nov.  Currently the testing team is going
> ...
> 
> Ive been using this for a couple of days now and have some more items:
> 
> SMS messages are still being held up.  If the phone is suspended, it
> will wake but never indicate an SMS has been received.  They only show
> up when rebooting the phone, or mostly on restarting the xserver.  There
> are a few bugs on this like 1766, but thats not exactly the same and was
> supposed to be fixed in testing - would this fix come in as part of the
> upgrade?

This doesn't seem like #1766, and I've just received a sms in
suspend... Could you file a ticket?  Please attach the following if
possible:

* upgrade from Om2008.9 or flashed daily image ?
* output of 'opkg list_installed'
* logread
* the modified qtopia config file, if any.

> The wifi icon is still dodgy - comes on when wifi started, never stops
> when wifi is stopped.

That's #1742 and it's still open.  Testing repo will switch to new
kernel, and wifi driver will be in once it's ready.

> The GSM icon stays at one bar (or is it a "!"), never moves, even
> before/after registration.

Can't reproduce... I need to read your attachments.


- John

> Other than the last, I though these issues were solved in testing, so
> they might be upgrade issues.
> 
> BillK



From zoup at zoup.org  Wed Dec  3 14:58:34 2008
From: zoup at zoup.org (Armin ranjbar)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:28:34 +0330
Subject: Raster keyboard on daily testing
Message-ID: <20081203172834.ba2fe7cb.zoup@zoup.org>

How to get raster keyboard working on daily testing images ?


-- 
Armin ranjbar , System Administrator



From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 15:16:33 2008
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:16:33 +0100
Subject: mplayer with glamo and audio - very slow
In-Reply-To: <200812031351.29581.ant@truebox.co.uk>
References: <815cb1720812021838m38885447kdfc62c8fd510009b@mail.gmail.com>
	<49367EEE.7070502@darkganja.net>
	<200812031351.29581.ant@truebox.co.uk>
Message-ID: <26fea52c0812030616v3899ba2bwf672202d43c9098a@mail.gmail.com>

this reminds me of the behaviour or epiano ( http://gstaedtner.net/epiano/ )
it doesn't use max cpu, but the sound is crappy when you press a lot
of keys in a short interval

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Antony King <ant at truebox.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I seem to recall there was an issue a while back with pulseaudio transcoding
> the audio on the fly between identical formats and gobbling CPU in the
> process. Could that be a possibility here ?
>
> On Wednesday 03 December 2008 12:43:26 Pierre Lascar wrote:
>> Le 03/12/2008 03:38, Leonti Bielski a ?crit :
>> >  Hello!
>> >
>> >  I'm trying to play some video preencoded for my phone with: mencoder
>> >  file_to_encode.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:vbitrate=300
>> >  \ -vf scale=320:240,eq2=1.2:0.5:-0.25,rotate=2 -oac mp3lame
>> >  -lameopts br=64:cbr \ -o file_for_openmoko
>> >
>> >  To watch it I run: mplayer -vo glamo -zoom -x 480 -y 640
>> >  your_file.avi
>> >
>> >  It is played very slow and I get message from mplayer - "your system
>> >  is very slow" or something like that. Than I tried it with -nosound
>> >  option - and I don't get that message and the fps seem acceptable.
>> >  I've always though video was an issue, but this shows me that audio
>> >  can significantly slow down the playback.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



From dscaini at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 15:20:53 2008
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:20:53 +0100
Subject: [debian] gps still no solution
Message-ID: <18db98c80812030620t4d15d325vde388ce93505266b@mail.gmail.com>

...after installing new fso some weeks ago my gps stopped working...
I installed all requested packages, fso-config-gta02, but no gps working
(like previous versions...).
I tried to downgrade but i have no idea what/where i have to download.
I searched on wiki... checked all the possibilities and the frameworkd conf
file...
now: ogpsd comes with fso? ogpsd it's not packaged on debian (if it's
something to be packaged)... with debian comes only gpsd but seems that fso
dislikes it, and the config file mentions only ogpsd...

I'm sure that someone uf you uses debian with gps... how in the hell??? ;-)
with old fso???
if i type
cat /dev/ttySAC1 i have no output while when my gps worked i got lots of
output...

please help me! ;-)
d
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From nomeata at debian.org  Wed Dec  3 15:33:31 2008
From: nomeata at debian.org (Joachim Breitner)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:33:31 +0100
Subject: debian and xfce?
In-Reply-To: <1228264569.2815.626.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <4935757A.3060403@puzzle.ch>
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Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 03.12.2008, 00:36 +0000 schrieb Christopher J. White:
> On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 21:37 +0000, Joachim Breitner wrote:
> 
> > Someone willing to do some cleanup and general QA on
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian ?
> 
> I can take a crack at this, since I just recently went through the pain
> of an install.

Thanks!

>  What are your thoughts about duplication of effort
> between the openmoko.org page and the debian.org page?  There's some
> duplicate copy now, but there is unique and valuable information both
> pages.

I?d prefer if the debian.org wiki contains only concise install
information and maybe important warning. Unrelated or general stuff
(e.g. how to make a backup) ought to be moved out to a subpage or the
openmoko wiki IMHO and only linked.

The openmoko wiki page seems (and that?s ok) more a place for discussion
and further (inofficial, or risky) hacks related to Debian. I think this
is a useful separation. The openmoko wiki page needs to be cleaned up
thoroughly, it seem, as it is large, confusing and has some outdated
information.

TIA,
Joachim

-- 
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Debian Developer
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From nomeata at debian.org  Wed Dec  3 15:38:03 2008
From: nomeata at debian.org (Joachim Breitner)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:38:03 +0100
Subject: [debian] gps still no solution
In-Reply-To: <18db98c80812030620t4d15d325vde388ce93505266b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18db98c80812030620t4d15d325vde388ce93505266b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228315083.4000.30.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>

Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 03.12.2008, 15:20 +0100 schrieb Davide Scaini:
> ...after installing new fso some weeks ago my gps stopped working...
> I installed all requested packages, fso-config-gta02, but no gps
> working (like previous versions...).
> I tried to downgrade but i have no idea what/where i have to download.
> I searched on wiki... checked all the possibilities and the frameworkd
> conf file...
> now: ogpsd comes with fso? ogpsd it's not packaged on debian (if it's
> something to be packaged)... with debian comes only gpsd but seems
> that fso dislikes it, and the config file mentions only ogpsd...
> 
> I'm sure that someone uf you uses debian with gps... how in the
> hell??? ;-)
> with old fso??? 
> if i type
> cat /dev/ttySAC1 i have no output while when my gps worked i got lots
> of output...

it works here. Are you testing it with zhone?

Greetings,
Joachim

-- 
Joachim "nomeata" Breitner
Debian Developer
  nomeata at debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C
  JID: nomeata at joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata
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From timo.lindfors at iki.fi  Wed Dec  3 15:42:04 2008
From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:42:04 +0200
Subject: [debian] gps still no solution
In-Reply-To: <18db98c80812030620t4d15d325vde388ce93505266b@mail.gmail.com>
	(Davide Scaini's message of "Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:20:53 +0100")
References: <18db98c80812030620t4d15d325vde388ce93505266b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8463m1fhhf.fsf@sauna.l.org>

"Davide Scaini" <dscaini at gmail.com> writes:
> now: ogpsd comes with fso? ogpsd it's not packaged on debian (if it's

It is part of fso-frameworkd package. It is not a separate binary or process.

> I'm sure that someone uf you uses debian with gps... how in the hell??? ;-)
> with old fso???

I use

 sys_pm_gps="/sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0"
 if [ ! -d $sys_pm_gps ]; then
     sys_pm_gps="/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0"
 fi
 echo 1 | sudo tee $sys_pm_gps/pwron

to turn GPS on and

 gpsd -F gpsd.sock -N -n -D 1 /dev/ttySAC1

to talk to it. I can then run e.g.

 echo rw | netcat localhost gpsd > gps.dump

to capture all GPS data.



From nomeata at debian.org  Wed Dec  3 15:47:04 2008
From: nomeata at debian.org (Joachim Breitner)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:47:04 +0100
Subject: TwitterMoko 0.4 out
In-Reply-To: <493675A6.10803@napodano.com>
References: <493675A6.10803@napodano.com>
Message-ID: <1228315624.4000.33.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>

Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 03.12.2008, 13:03 +0100 schrieb Carlo Minucci:
> i have released a new version of TwitterMoko (a client for twitter)

are there any DebianOnFreeRunner users that would use TwitterMoko? I
could package it, but as I?m not using twitter myself I would need
someone to test the package and be responsive to user requests.

Greetings,
Joachim

-- 
Joachim "nomeata" Breitner
Debian Developer
  nomeata at debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C
  JID: nomeata at joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata
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From joakim at verona.se  Wed Dec  3 16:00:00 2008
From: joakim at verona.se (joakim at verona.se)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:00:00 +0100
Subject: [debian] gps still no solution
References: <18db98c80812030620t4d15d325vde388ce93505266b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228315083.4000.30.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
Message-ID: <m3myfd5mof.fsf@verona.se>

Joachim Breitner <nomeata at debian.org> writes:

> Hi,
>
> Am Mittwoch, den 03.12.2008, 15:20 +0100 schrieb Davide Scaini:
>> ...after installing new fso some weeks ago my gps stopped working...
>> I installed all requested packages, fso-config-gta02, but no gps
>> working (like previous versions...).
>> I tried to downgrade but i have no idea what/where i have to download.
>> I searched on wiki... checked all the possibilities and the frameworkd
>> conf file...
>> now: ogpsd comes with fso? ogpsd it's not packaged on debian (if it's
>> something to be packaged)... with debian comes only gpsd but seems
>> that fso dislikes it, and the config file mentions only ogpsd...
>> 
>> I'm sure that someone uf you uses debian with gps... how in the
>> hell??? ;-)
>> with old fso??? 
>> if i type
>> cat /dev/ttySAC1 i have no output while when my gps worked i got lots
>> of output...
>
> it works here. Are you testing it with zhone?

I'm having the same experience.
fso-gpsd used to work fine and now all of a sudden after upgrades it has
refused to work for a while.

>
> Greetings,
> Joachim
-- 
Joakim Verona




From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Wed Dec  3 16:01:24 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:01:24 +0100
Subject: [debian] gps still no solution
In-Reply-To: <18db98c80812030620t4d15d325vde388ce93505266b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18db98c80812030620t4d15d325vde388ce93505266b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.ulldcm0741evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

does your issue match
> http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/265
?



From openmoko at darkganja.net  Wed Dec  3 16:10:06 2008
From: openmoko at darkganja.net (Pierre Lascar)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:10:06 +0100
Subject: mplayer with glamo and audio - very slow
In-Reply-To: <200812031351.29581.ant@truebox.co.uk>
References: <815cb1720812021838m38885447kdfc62c8fd510009b@mail.gmail.com>
	<49367EEE.7070502@darkganja.net> <200812031351.29581.ant@truebox.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1228317006.3444.3.camel@localhost>

Le mercredi 03 d?cembre 2008 ? 13:51 +0000, Antony King a ?crit :
> I seem to recall there was an issue a while back with pulseaudio transcoding 
> the audio on the fly between identical formats and gobbling CPU in the 
> process. Could that be a possibility here ?
> 

I used -vo oss with alsa-oss on 2008.9, so there should be no pulseaudio
around.

Pierre.




From skerit at kipdola.com  Wed Dec  3 16:12:06 2008
From: skerit at kipdola.com (Jelle De Loecker)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:12:06 +0100
Subject: TwitterMoko 0.4 out
In-Reply-To: <1228315624.4000.33.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
References: <493675A6.10803@napodano.com>
	<1228315624.4000.33.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
Message-ID: <4936A1C6.3080206@kipdola.com>

Joachim Breitner schreef:
> Hi,
>
> Am Mittwoch, den 03.12.2008, 13:03 +0100 schrieb Carlo Minucci:
>   
>> i have released a new version of TwitterMoko (a client for twitter)
>>     
> are there any DebianOnFreeRunner users that would use TwitterMoko? I
> could package it, but as I?m not using twitter myself I would need
> someone to test the package and be responsive to user requests.
>
> Greetings,
> Joachim
>   
I'm currently using Twitux on my debian install, I don't mind trying out 
TwitterMoko

Greetings,
Jelle De Loecker



From openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net  Wed Dec  3 16:19:54 2008
From: openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net (Gothnet)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:19:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com> <49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>
Message-ID: <1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>




Sean McNeil wrote:
> 
> 
> bluetooth is setup to work with the new andy-tracking kernel. They've 
> switched to using an rfkill switch which I didn't implement in the 
> 2.6.26 kernel.
> 
> ...
> 
> I forgot there is a permission setting in /init.rc that needs to be 
> changed as well. Essentially change pcf50633-bl to gta02-bl.
> 
> ...     
> 
> Yep, I'm working with Rui to get this in.
> 
> 

So in summary - use the tracking kernel because it's got more functionality
(BT etc) and hang on for a new rootfs with a keyboard and backlight control
enabled?

Any ETA on next rootfs?

/NOW! I Want it NOW!
//just kidding, though am interested because android currently looks like
the best possibility of turning my neo from an interesting looking brick to
an actual phone
-- 
View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/First-impressions-on-new-Android-rootfs-tp1603648p1609241.html
Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.




From chris at grierwhite.com  Wed Dec  3 16:30:38 2008
From: chris at grierwhite.com (Christopher J. White)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:30:38 +0000
Subject: andy-tracking kernel?
Message-ID: <1228318238.2815.664.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I've seen a lot of references to the "andy-tracking" kernel.  A search
of archives yields some info about this with regard to a shift to the
2.6.27 kernel.  However, I've not been able to really understand what's
in it, or what the current state of the kernel is.

Would someone mind elaborating a little on a few points:

1.  Is this generally available?  If so, where?

2.  I'm currently running Debian with the stock kernel that gets put in
place by the install.sh script.  Can I use this kernel with Debian?
There are caveats on the Debian pages about using other kernel, so has
anyone used this with Debian successfully?

3.  What do I get with it?  What is at risk?

Thanks... I apologize if this info is out there somewhere, but I have
spent a significant amount of time digging through past threads, and I'm
just not getting a complete picture.

...cj





From djdas at djdas.net  Wed Dec  3 16:31:18 2008
From: djdas at djdas.net (DJDAS)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:31:18 +0100
Subject: OMoney? :O
Message-ID: <4936A646.3030109@djdas.net>

Hi all,
I was thinking about an expense handling program (like HandyExpenses on 
Symbian phones), I have many ideas in mind but didn't write anything 
yet, but looking at some screenshots at linuxtogo I saw these: 
http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=6
I didn't find such an application (tried googling and at 
opkg.org)...Does anybody knows where to find and try it?
Thank you in advance, bye!




From photogeekmtl at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 16:51:18 2008
From: photogeekmtl at gmail.com (Warren Baird)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:51:18 -0500
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com> <49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>
	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Gothnet <openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net>wrote:

>
> //just kidding, though am interested because android currently looks like
> the best possibility of turning my neo from an interesting looking brick to
> an actual phone


I agree Android looks like it has a lot of promise - but if you want a
functioning phone today - I'd suggest trying out QtExtended 4.4.2 - it
doesn't give you much more than basic phone functionality, but I've been
using it as my day-to-day phone for a month now, and am generally pretty
happy with it...

Warren
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From wessel at nefkom.net  Wed Dec  3 17:05:20 2008
From: wessel at nefkom.net (Sascha Wessel)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:05:20 +0100
Subject: [debian] gps still no solution
In-Reply-To: <m3myfd5mof.fsf@verona.se>
References: <18db98c80812030620t4d15d325vde388ce93505266b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228315083.4000.30.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
	<m3myfd5mof.fsf@verona.se>
Message-ID: <20081203160520.GD1989@s>

Hi,

On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 04:00:00PM +0100, joakim at verona.se wrote:
> Joachim Breitner <nomeata at debian.org> writes:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > Am Mittwoch, den 03.12.2008, 15:20 +0100 schrieb Davide Scaini:
> >> ...after installing new fso some weeks ago my gps stopped working...
> >> I installed all requested packages, fso-config-gta02, but no gps
> >> working (like previous versions...).
> >> I tried to downgrade but i have no idea what/where i have to download.
> >> I searched on wiki... checked all the possibilities and the frameworkd
> >> conf file...
> >> now: ogpsd comes with fso? ogpsd it's not packaged on debian (if it's
> >> something to be packaged)... with debian comes only gpsd but seems
> >> that fso dislikes it, and the config file mentions only ogpsd...
> >> 
> >> I'm sure that someone uf you uses debian with gps... how in the
> >> hell??? ;-)
> >> with old fso??? 
> >> if i type
> >> cat /dev/ttySAC1 i have no output while when my gps worked i got lots
> >> of output...
> >
> > it works here. Are you testing it with zhone?
> 
> I'm having the same experience.
> fso-gpsd used to work fine and now all of a sudden after upgrades it has
> refused to work for a while.

Hmm, I just reinstalled frameworkd and it works without problems.
Can you try the same?

1. backup
2. remove everything fso related
   $ dpkg -P fso-config-gta02 fso-frameworkd fso-frameworkd-wireless-glue fso-gpsd fso-sounds-openmoko-nonfree nodm gpsd
3. I got some warnings about non empty directories and removed them manually
4. install
   $ apt-get update
   $ apt-get install fso-frameworkd fso-frameworkd-wireless-glue fso-sounds-openmoko-nonfree fso-config-gta02
5. disbable frameworkd
   $ mv /etc/init.d/fso-frameworkd /etc/init.d/fso-frameworkd.backup
6. reboot
7. ssh and start screen with 3 windows (in this order):
   $ frameworkd # and wait some seconds
   $ /usr/share/doc/fso-frameworkd/examples/ogpsd_resource.py
   $ /usr/share/doc/fso-frameworkd/examples/ogpsd_signals.py
8. go outside for at least 10 minutes
9. check screen window 3

optional: strace the pid/fd (get them with `lsof | grep ttySAC1`)


Greetings,
Sascha




From prishelec at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 17:14:16 2008
From: prishelec at gmail.com (Leonti Bielski)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:14:16 +0100
Subject: andy-tracking kernel?
In-Reply-To: <1228318238.2815.664.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1228318238.2815.664.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <815cb1720812030814i5e5dd2dfl92f49eeed6af3cf@mail.gmail.com>

You can download it from:
http://people.openmoko.org/andy/
It's uImage-moredrivers*

As I get it it uses 2.6.28 kernel. The main reason to use it is that a
lot of suspend/resume issues have been resolved "out of the box" in
this kernel.
I tried it and it seems working ok, although I didn't test it much.

I also would like to understand what is left to be done in this kernel
to get it ready to distribution use.

Leonti



From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Wed Dec  3 17:14:33 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:14:33 +0100
Subject: [debian] gps still no solution
In-Reply-To: <20081203160520.GD1989@s>
References: <18db98c80812030620t4d15d325vde388ce93505266b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228315083.4000.30.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net> <m3myfd5mof.fsf@verona.se>
	<20081203160520.GD1989@s>
Message-ID: <op.ullgqjz441evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

>    $ dpkg -P fso-config-gta02 fso-frameworkd  
> fso-frameworkd-wireless-glue fso-gpsd fso-sounds-openmoko-nonfree nodm  
> gpsd

this comes down to what i suspected already: some conflicting  
configuration settings.
the far more interesting part would be, to narrow down the config files  
involved.



From jackramone at googlemail.com  Wed Dec  3 17:18:09 2008
From: jackramone at googlemail.com (Jakob)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:18:09 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <49359DC0.2000300@openmoko.com>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<49dd78620812011329w37b09629v5d4c971605d5c926@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081202074608.GF4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
	<49359DC0.2000300@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <85aed13c0812030818w1b685108g5aa6fc92b5af518@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Andy Green <andy at openmoko.com> wrote:

> "buzz / echo / hiss"... no software change can fix buzz.  It's baked
> into the hardware and you will have to do fairly extreme meddling with
> your soldering iron to impact it.

Would it be better to wait until A7 is out and then buy a Freerunner?
How hard is it to do the component change on a A6?

Jake



From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt  Wed Dec  3 17:18:37 2008
From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (Vasco =?iso-8859-15?b?Tul2b2E=?=)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:18:37 +0000
Subject: [OM2008.x] praise for the new testing image
In-Reply-To: <20081203122845.14434nz4l61rhd31@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
References: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<1228302029.6451.33.camel@rattus>
	<20081203115329.12514e3yu8sza6nt@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<1228306932.6451.42.camel@rattus>
	<20081203122845.14434nz4l61rhd31@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <20081203161837.37645ct4dhtzvntp@w0.mail.sapo.pt>

I've been trying the "illume" (gray) theme with the testing image, and  
it is badly broken - Enlightenment keeps crashing at random moments  
for reasons unknown.
I gave up on trying to have illume's keyboard, and reverted to the  
original "asu" (black) theme. The qtopian keyboard sucks, but at least  
everything else rocks.

I find it very strange that the whole image works so solidly with the  
"asu" theme and is so flakey with the "illume" theme...


Citando Vasco N?voa <vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt>:

>
> Citando William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:
>> And also yes, I have modified 89qtopia - but it doesn't seem to have
>> much of an effect :(
> I found out how my illume keyboard went missing. From the wiki:
> edit '/etc/enlightenment/default_profile' to use illume theme  
> instead of 'asu'
> So, if you just want to get rid of it, replace illume with asu inside
> /etc/enlightenment/default_profile ...
> But if you want to keep it exclusively for the terminal, I don't know how...
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>




From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt  Wed Dec  3 17:26:14 2008
From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (Vasco =?iso-8859-15?b?Tul2b2E=?=)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:26:14 +0000
Subject: Raster keyboard on daily testing
In-Reply-To: <20081203172834.ba2fe7cb.zoup@zoup.org>
References: <20081203172834.ba2fe7cb.zoup@zoup.org>
Message-ID: <20081203162613.20517kn984f6oeud@w0.mail.sapo.pt>

See:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#How_to_install_the_illume_.28Raster.27s.29_keyboard_.3F

Beware:
at least on my system, when I replace the base "asu" theme with the  
"illume" theme, Enlightenment crashes a lot.

Citando Armin ranjbar <zoup at zoup.org>:

> How to get raster keyboard working on daily testing images ?
>
>
> --
> Armin ranjbar , System Administrator
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>





From taw27 at cam.ac.uk  Wed Dec  3 17:27:06 2008
From: taw27 at cam.ac.uk (Thomas White)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:27:06 +0000
Subject: [OM2008.x] praise for the new testing image
In-Reply-To: <20081203161837.37645ct4dhtzvntp@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
References: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<1228302029.6451.33.camel@rattus>
	<20081203115329.12514e3yu8sza6nt@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<1228306932.6451.42.camel@rattus>
	<20081203122845.14434nz4l61rhd31@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<20081203161837.37645ct4dhtzvntp@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <20081203162706.114fbb06.taw27@cam.ac.uk>

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:18:37 +0000
Vasco N?voa <vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt> wrote:

> I've been trying the "illume" (gray) theme with the testing image,
> and it is badly broken - Enlightenment keeps crashing at random
> moments for reasons unknown.

I find this too, but if you go into Illume's settings (this requires a
little patience for the obvious reason), press "Engine" and select
"Software", then it should go away.  I've been using that for weeks now
with no problems after that adjustment.

Tom



From nelsoneci at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 17:27:05 2008
From: nelsoneci at gmail.com (Nelson Castillo)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:27:05 -0500
Subject: andy-tracking kernel?
In-Reply-To: <1228318238.2815.664.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1228318238.2815.664.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <2accc2ff0812030827u202200f3gff4effddac3ddca@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Christopher J. White
<chris at grierwhite.com> wrote:
> I've seen a lot of references to the "andy-tracking" kernel.  A search
> of archives yields some info about this with regard to a shift to the
> 2.6.27 kernel.  However, I've not been able to really understand what's
> in it, or what the current state of the kernel is.
>
> Would someone mind elaborating a little on a few points:
>
> 1.  Is this generally available?  If so, where?

http://people.openmoko.org/andy/

Right now the kernel is bigger than 2MB, and you have to either use Qi
as the boot loader (it's still under heavy development now but some
people use it) or use U-Boot. For U-boot check:
http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-f528198

I read this kernel will be smaller when it becomes the stable kernel
(with a recommended configuration for distributors).

You might want to read this email:

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-November/006945.html

> 2.  I'm currently running Debian with the stock kernel that gets put in
> place by the install.sh script.  Can I use this kernel with Debian?
> There are caveats on the Debian pages about using other kernel, so has
> anyone used this with Debian successfully?

I don't know. Some paths have changed in /sys and some user-space
tools will have to change. I don't know how this affects Debian.

Check:

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-November/006789.html

> 3.  What do I get with it?  What is at risk?

I've hear that it has better suspend/resume support. It has some improvements
but I don't know about all of them.

> Thanks... I apologize if this info is out there somewhere, but I have
> spent a significant amount of time digging through past threads, and I'm
> just not getting a complete picture.

To build from sources you need to:

 git clone git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git linux-2.6
 git-checkout --track -b local-andy-tracking origin/andy-tracking
 git-pull # it should be up to date
 cd linux-2.6
 cp ./arch/arm/configs/gta02-moredrivers-defconfig .config

There's a "build" script that you can run.

You need to install a toolchain to build it. For instance, in the
build script I use:
export CROSS_COMPILE="ccache
/usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-"



From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org  Wed Dec  3 17:30:56 2008
From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:30:56 -0500
Subject: [latest 2008.9] USB issues?
In-Reply-To: <3494db260812021057r2e702349o13d91c9f6576f3fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db260812020934l17c1458dxa1fdefd177d5678a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081202182419.GC19878@thelackthereof.org>
	<3494db260812021057r2e702349o13d91c9f6576f3fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081203163056.GF19878@thelackthereof.org>

On 2008.12.02.19.57, Tony Berth wrote:
| On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Brock <awwaiid at thelackthereof.org> wrote:
| 
| > You must add g_ether to /etc/modules to get the module to load on
| > boot.
| >
| >
| > On 2008.12.02.18.34, Tony Berth wrote:
| > | Dear list,
| > |
| > | I just installed the latest 2008.9 kernel and jffs2 and when I connect to
| > a
| > | debian 4 box it doesn't get listed as a USB device. As a result, I can't
| > | establish USB networking. Am I doing something wrong here?
| > |
| > | Thanks
| > |
| > | Tony
| >
| >
| is that the solution and how can I add that module?

The /etc/modules file is just a plain-text list of modules that are
dynamically loaded at boot time. My solution is only a guess really, but
worked for me in a similar situation.

When running the latest kernel that had this issue, try running
"modprobe g_ether" on the openmoko command line. That should enable the
usb ethernet module. If that works, you can then add just "g_ether" as a
line in the /etc/modules file to automatically do this modprobe every
boot.

--Brock




From dscaini at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 17:33:52 2008
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:33:52 +0100
Subject: [debian] gps still no solution
In-Reply-To: <op.ullgqjz441evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
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thanks i'll try this solutions this evening hopefully or next week (i'm
going abroad for some days).
thanks
d

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:14 PM, arne anka <openmoko at ginguppin.de> wrote:

> >    $ dpkg -P fso-config-gta02 fso-frameworkd
> > fso-frameworkd-wireless-glue fso-gpsd fso-sounds-openmoko-nonfree nodm
> > gpsd
>
> this comes down to what i suspected already: some conflicting
> configuration settings.
> the far more interesting part would be, to narrow down the config files
> involved.
>
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From andy at openmoko.com  Wed Dec  3 17:36:04 2008
From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:36:04 +0000
Subject: andy-tracking kernel?
In-Reply-To: <1228318238.2815.664.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1228318238.2815.664.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4936B574.7060402@openmoko.com>

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| I've seen a lot of references to the "andy-tracking" kernel.  A search
| of archives yields some info about this with regard to a shift to the
| 2.6.27 kernel.  However, I've not been able to really understand what's
| in it, or what the current state of the kernel is.
|
| Would someone mind elaborating a little on a few points:
|
| 1.  Is this generally available?  If so, where?

http://people.openmoko.org/andy has new binary versions every day or two
at the moment.  These are "moredriver" kernels that have everything
critical built in the kernel, but there's also a matching module tarball.

If you're using U-Boot to boot it, U-Boot has a 2MByte kernel limit by
default and you need to meddle it:

setenv bootcmd setenv bootargs \${bootargs_base} \${mtdparts}\; nand
read.e 0x32000000 kernel 0x300000\; bootm 0x32000000
saveenv

Qi (the new bootloader replacing U-Boot) doesn't have these problems.

| 2.  I'm currently running Debian with the stock kernel that gets put in
| place by the install.sh script.  Can I use this kernel with Debian?
| There are caveats on the Debian pages about using other kernel, so has
| anyone used this with Debian successfully?

Dunno what the caveats involve, I used Debian in runlevel 3 anyway with
random kernels.

| 3.  What do I get with it?  What is at risk?
|
| Thanks... I apologize if this info is out there somewhere, but I have
| spent a significant amount of time digging through past threads, and I'm
| just not getting a complete picture.

You can try it out on an SD Card for very low risk.

The main features are

~ - Suspend / Resume changes (should be way more stable)
~ - pcf50633 driver rewrite (fixes some troubles)
~ - WLAN driver now uses mainline SDIO stack (should fix some probs)
~ - Android-ready
~ - Kernel features and fixes between 2.6.24 and 2.6.28

There will be some breakage of features for a while since there are many
changes to /sys paths used by various things, but the rootfs people
should catch up soon.

- -Andy
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From benson at gmx.ch  Wed Dec  3 17:36:53 2008
From: benson at gmx.ch (Martin Benz)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:36:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [OM2008.x] praise for the new testing image
In-Reply-To: <20081203161837.37645ct4dhtzvntp@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
References: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<1228302029.6451.33.camel@rattus>
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Read the bugreport:

https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1767

So we have a slow illume-theme with rasters keyboard or a fast asu-theme
without an usable keyboard (especially for non-engish users)... 

Maybe i'll try to hack the edj-file, did manage to get the qwerty-menu back
in the wrench, but messing around with the keyboard only gave me errors when
running build.sh...

(See Method 2 from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Toggle)

cheers
Martin


Vasco N?voa wrote:
> 
> I've been trying the "illume" (gray) theme with the testing image, and  
> it is badly broken - Enlightenment keeps crashing at random moments  
> for reasons unknown.
> I gave up on trying to have illume's keyboard, and reverted to the  
> original "asu" (black) theme. The qtopian keyboard sucks, but at least  
> everything else rocks.
> 
> I find it very strange that the whole image works so solidly with the  
> "asu" theme and is so flakey with the "illume" theme...
> 
> 
> Citando Vasco N?voa <vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt>:
> 
>>
>> Citando William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:
>>> And also yes, I have modified 89qtopia - but it doesn't seem to have
>>> much of an effect :(
>> I found out how my illume keyboard went missing. From the wiki:
>> edit '/etc/enlightenment/default_profile' to use illume theme  
>> instead of 'asu'
>> So, if you just want to get rid of it, replace illume with asu inside
>> /etc/enlightenment/default_profile ...
>> But if you want to keep it exclusively for the terminal, I don't know
>> how...
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
> 

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From wessel at nefkom.net  Wed Dec  3 17:37:08 2008
From: wessel at nefkom.net (Sascha Wessel)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:37:08 +0100
Subject: debian and xfce?
In-Reply-To: <49358A9A.3000903@users.sourceforge.net>
References: <4935757A.3060403@puzzle.ch>
	<op.uljq86np41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<1228245185.10634.819.camel@KIP-DU-SKER>
	<49358A9A.3000903@users.sourceforge.net>
Message-ID: <20081203163708.GE1989@s>

Hi,

On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 08:20:58PM +0100, Pander wrote:
> What are the window managers to have been reported to work on OpenMoko
> so far:
> - enlightenment
> - icewm
> - xfce
  - fvwm :)

Greetings,
Sascha




From charles.pax at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 17:42:21 2008
From: charles.pax at gmail.com (Charles Pax)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:42:21 -0500
Subject: Bounties?
In-Reply-To: <200812032348.08501.chris@csamuel.org>
References: <7c9d57ea0812022122i7a10cbfeofc22e790f6ac90ca@mail.gmail.com>
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I would be willing to contribute to a bounty that interests me. Of
particular interest is getting syncronization support for Openmoko into
Conduit [1]. Anyone else into that?

Also think about ransoms. If you have a project you'd like to work on,
present it to the community and see what kind of funding can be slapped
together.

-Charles Pax

[1] http://www.conduit-project.org/

On 12/3/08, Chris Samuel <chris at csamuel.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 9:05:42 pm arne anka wrote:
>
> > not everybody uses qtopia.
>
> I didn't mean to imply that they did, just that it exists.
>
> --
> Chris Samuel  :  http://www.csamuel.org/  :  Melbourne, VIC
>
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From mail at 3v1n0.net  Wed Dec  3 18:01:38 2008
From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?windows-1252?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:01:38 +0100
Subject: Bounties?
In-Reply-To: <a3fe38cf0812030102i34fa353aja0eb97cf972eee6b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c9d57ea0812022122i7a10cbfeofc22e790f6ac90ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<a3fe38cf0812030102i34fa353aja0eb97cf972eee6b@mail.gmail.com>
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Erland Lewin ha scritto:
> 2008/12/3 Sargun Dhillon <xbmodder+openmoko at gmail.com
> <mailto:xbmodder%2Bopenmoko at gmail.com>>
> 
>     Just out of curiosity, how many OpenMoko users out there would be
>     willing to pay for bounties? Additionally, how many developers would
>     work for bounties? What sort of bounties would you guys request? How
>     much would you pay?
> 
> 
> I think I'd be prepared to pay for bounties. Probably on the order of
> ?30-40.
> 
> One thing I'd be prepared to pay for is some sort of handwriting
> recognition or grafitti-style input.

Something is coming also for Illume [1], thanks to Swisscom ;)


[1] http://www.om.vptt.ch/site/?p=382

-- 
Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux
http://www.3v1n0.net/




From apm at bigendian.dk  Wed Dec  3 18:28:26 2008
From: apm at bigendian.dk (Peter Mogensen)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:28:26 +0100
Subject: dualboot. u-boot now, Qi later
Message-ID: <4936C1BA.7070105@bigendian.dk>

I was considering starting to use the Neo as a daily phone, so I need to 
dualboot.

Are there anything special I need to consider to make the partitioning 
compatible with future Qi bootloader?

I thought of making a few smaller partitions for different kernels and a 
few larger of different rootfs + one large for my personal data.

But that will mean more than 4 partitions. Will logical partions work 
just as well with Qi? Are there any special order which is better?

Or will I have wipe all systems and start over when Qi arrives?

/Peter



From openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net  Wed Dec  3 18:34:40 2008
From: openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net (Gothnet)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:34:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
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Warren Baird wrote:
> 
> 
> I agree Android looks like it has a lot of promise - but if you want a
> functioning phone today - I'd suggest trying out QtExtended 4.4.2 - it
> doesn't give you much more than basic phone functionality, but I've been
> using it as my day-to-day phone for a month now, and am generally pretty
> happy with it...
> 
> Warren
> 

Qtopia is one of the two things I didn't try, SHR being the other. I gave up
on the rest because of the unresponsive interfaces, poor battery life,
terrible remote echo (tried everything I could find), refusal to wake up in
a timely fashion on incoming calls etc. I was also discouraged by the
prominence of "we should work on stuff for GTA03" comments on the lists.

I now have a cheap sony-ericsson for the sake of my sanity, so I'll wait
until android or other distro can provide a bit more than basic phone
functions, or at least do it better than what I have. Android looks like it
could be the quickest route to solving most of the issues and the echo was
gone straight away. i know I ought to get off my a*se and help, but after
the dayjob I don't have much appetite for coding and debugging right now.

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From haduong at centre-cired.fr  Wed Dec  3 18:38:05 2008
From: haduong at centre-cired.fr (Minh Ha Duong)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:38:05 +0100
Subject: Funding Global Domination
In-Reply-To: <op.ulk14r0j41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>
	<op.ulk14r0j41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <200812031838.05799.haduong@centre-cired.fr>

Le mercredi 03 d?cembre 2008, arne anka a ?crit?:
> >> The second option is more like it. It takes a few hours to design a
> >> T-Shirt
> >> and upload it to an online store where everybody else can go and buy
> >> it. So
> >> just do it: the entry costs are so low that there is no real need for a
> >> formal market study !
> >
> > There may be trademark issues, better clear that with OpenMoko first!
>
> not only that.
> didn't the op intend to propose a way for _openmoko_ to earn more money?
> while anybody might donate artwork, the actual distribution has to be done
> on behalf of openmoko -- or more reasonably by openmoko itself.

Rui: There are lots of cool artwork under a Cc: license on the wiki including 
the hardware schematics and : 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Desktop_wallpaper_gallery
Copyright are not an issue, please. No company will give you a blanket 
agreement to use their name as you please in any derivative product, but no 
company will deny fans the right to make T-Shirts with their name on it, if 
you show them specific T-Shirts design.

Arne: OpenMoko made it clear that they were not into selling derived products 
(I can't bother to find the post, that was a few months ago.).

Cordially,
Minh
-- 
Minh HA DUONG, Charg? de Recherche, CNRS
CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le 
D?veloppement
http://minh.haduong.com



From brettjamin at frumppyoldwoman.com  Wed Dec  3 18:45:14 2008
From: brettjamin at frumppyoldwoman.com (Ben Hussey)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:45:14 -0900
Subject: Bounties?
In-Reply-To: <84abbdfsw0.fsf@sauna.l.org>
References: <7c9d57ea0812022122i7a10cbfeofc22e790f6ac90ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<84abbdfsw0.fsf@sauna.l.org>
Message-ID: <gh6gip$gvi$1@ger.gmane.org>

This site looks like what we should start using.  I'd be willing to add 
money to a bounty for several things - a good integrated media player, 
decent volume control, wifi that 'just works', etc.

Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> "Sargun Dhillon" <xbmodder+openmoko at gmail.com> writes:
>> Just out of curiosity, how many OpenMoko users out there would be
>> willing to pay for bounties? Additionally, how many developers would
>> work for bounties? What sort of bounties would you guys request? How
>> much would you pay?
> 
> How about using http://cofundos.org/ for this?
> 
>   "Cofundos helps to realize open-source software ideas, by providing
>    a platform for their discussion & enrichment and by establishing a
>    process for organizing the contributions and interests of different
>    stakeholders in the idea."
> 
> It's bit like http://www.getacoder.com/ or http://www.rentacoder.com/
> but geared towarads FLOSS.




From Quakeman1 at gmx.net  Wed Dec  3 18:47:47 2008
From: Quakeman1 at gmx.net (Fox Mulder)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:47:47 +0100
Subject: andy-tracking kernel?
In-Reply-To: <4936B574.7060402@openmoko.com>
References: <1228318238.2815.664.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4936B574.7060402@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <4936C643.2090704@gmx.net>

Andy Green wrote:
> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> 
> | I've seen a lot of references to the "andy-tracking" kernel.  A search
> | of archives yields some info about this with regard to a shift to the
> | 2.6.27 kernel.  However, I've not been able to really understand what's
> | in it, or what the current state of the kernel is.
> |
> | Would someone mind elaborating a little on a few points:
> |
> | 1.  Is this generally available?  If so, where?
> 
> http://people.openmoko.org/andy has new binary versions every day or two
> at the moment.  These are "moredriver" kernels that have everything
> critical built in the kernel, but there's also a matching module tarball.
> 
> If you're using U-Boot to boot it, U-Boot has a 2MByte kernel limit by
> default and you need to meddle it:
> 
> setenv bootcmd setenv bootargs \${bootargs_base} \${mtdparts}\; nand
> read.e 0x32000000 kernel 0x300000\; bootm 0x32000000
> saveenv
> 
> Qi (the new bootloader replacing U-Boot) doesn't have these problems.
> 
> | 2.  I'm currently running Debian with the stock kernel that gets put in
> | place by the install.sh script.  Can I use this kernel with Debian?
> | There are caveats on the Debian pages about using other kernel, so has
> | anyone used this with Debian successfully?
> 
> Dunno what the caveats involve, I used Debian in runlevel 3 anyway with
> random kernels.
> 
> | 3.  What do I get with it?  What is at risk?
> |
> | Thanks... I apologize if this info is out there somewhere, but I have
> | spent a significant amount of time digging through past threads, and I'm
> | just not getting a complete picture.
> 
> You can try it out on an SD Card for very low risk.
> 
> The main features are
> 
> ~ - Suspend / Resume changes (should be way more stable)
> ~ - pcf50633 driver rewrite (fixes some troubles)
> ~ - WLAN driver now uses mainline SDIO stack (should fix some probs)
> ~ - Android-ready
> ~ - Kernel features and fixes between 2.6.24 and 2.6.28
> 
> There will be some breakage of features for a while since there are many
> changes to /sys paths used by various things, but the rootfs people
> should catch up soon.

Yesterday i tried to boot debian from sd-card with andy-tracking kernel
version 2d1d9ec0e2d009d0 and it didn't work very well.
First problem was that it seems to lack support for vfat partitions. I
use a 64MB swapfile which is on a vfat partition used by fstab while
booting. But at the point when activating the swap file it hangs and get
a timeout after 120sec and than do nothing.
After i removed the corresponding fstab line it boots up but the
hal-daemon didn't work anymore with the new kernel. Therefore some
things like the oevents from fso doesn't work anymore. This is maybe
related to the changed sysfs structure.
So at the moment i stay at the 2.6.24 openmoko kernel from the daily
build url as long as the userland tools use the old sysfs values.

Ciao,
     Rainer



From site-openmoko.org at onerussian.com  Wed Dec  3 18:54:36 2008
From: site-openmoko.org at onerussian.com (Yaroslav Halchenko)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:54:36 -0500
Subject: Raster keyboard on daily testing
In-Reply-To: <20081203162613.20517kn984f6oeud@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
References: <20081203172834.ba2fe7cb.zoup@zoup.org>
	<20081203162613.20517kn984f6oeud@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <20081203175435.GD25994@washoe.rutgers.edu>

> Beware:
> at least on my system, when I replace the base "asu" theme with the  
> "illume" theme, Enlightenment crashes a lot.
just wanted to confirm since I am not sure on how to troubleshoot it

it crashes with
*** glibc detected *** enlightenment: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x004fcf98 ***
in the terminal

strace is not very informative to me (I have no clue in internals of enlightment)

[pid  1122] write(13, ";\3\5\0%\0\240\0\0\0\0\0Z\1\302\0D\0\22\0\201\3\n\0$\0"..., 64) = 64
[pid  1122] read(13, "\1\1\357A\0\0\0\0\21\2\240\0\350\341\25\0+\0\0\0(5\21\0"..., 32) = 32
[pid  1122] gettimeofday({1701625338, 2388}, NULL) = 0                                     
[pid  1122] write(13, "8\3\4\0%\0\240\0\0\0\10\0\0\0\0\0", 16) = 16
[pid  1122] gettimeofday({1701625338, 8092}, NULL) = 0             
[pid  1122] ioctl(13, FIONREAD, [0])    = 0                               
[pid  1122] gettimeofday({1701625338, 14974}, NULL) = 0                   
[pid  1122] --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
[pid  1122] write(2, "**** SEGMENTATION FAULT ****\n", 29) = 29

where 13 is

lrwx------    1 root     root           64 Dec  3 12:31 /proc/1122/fd/13 -> inotify


ok ... installing gdb and -dbg packages ;-)
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From sean at mcneil.com  Wed Dec  3 19:12:59 2008
From: sean at mcneil.com (Sean McNeil)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:12:59 +0700
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com>
	<49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com>

Gothnet wrote:
>
> Warren Baird wrote:
>   
>> I agree Android looks like it has a lot of promise - but if you want a
>> functioning phone today - I'd suggest trying out QtExtended 4.4.2 - it
>> doesn't give you much more than basic phone functionality, but I've been
>> using it as my day-to-day phone for a month now, and am generally pretty
>> happy with it...
>>
>> Warren
>>
>>     
>
> Qtopia is one of the two things I didn't try, SHR being the other. I gave up
> on the rest because of the unresponsive interfaces, poor battery life,
> terrible remote echo (tried everything I could find), refusal to wake up in
> a timely fashion on incoming calls etc. I was also discouraged by the
> prominence of "we should work on stuff for GTA03" comments on the lists.
>
> I now have a cheap sony-ericsson for the sake of my sanity, so I'll wait
> until android or other distro can provide a bit more than basic phone
> functions, or at least do it better than what I have. Android looks like it
> could be the quickest route to solving most of the issues and the echo was
> gone straight away. i know I ought to get off my a*se and help, but after
> the dayjob I don't have much appetite for coding and debugging right now.
>   

I'm uploading a new image right now that includes Ruis virtual keyboard. 
Please give it 30 minutes or so to complete the upload.

Sean




From site-openmoko.org at onerussian.com  Wed Dec  3 19:13:28 2008
From: site-openmoko.org at onerussian.com (Yaroslav Halchenko)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:13:28 -0500
Subject: Raster keyboard on daily testing
In-Reply-To: <20081203175435.GD25994@washoe.rutgers.edu>
References: <20081203172834.ba2fe7cb.zoup@zoup.org>
	<20081203162613.20517kn984f6oeud@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<20081203175435.GD25994@washoe.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <20081203181326.GE25994@washoe.rutgers.edu>

ok... got a backtrace 

[Switching to Thread 0x4088fba0 (LWP 1851)]
0x407c396c in _int_free () from /lib/libc.so.6
(gdb) bt full
#0  0x407c396c in _int_free () from /lib/libc.so.6
No symbol table info available.
#1  0x407c3cc8 in free () from /lib/libc.so.6
No symbol table info available.
#2  0x40dad958 in _ds_shpix_free () from /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/dropshadow/linux-gnueabi-arm/module.so
No locals.
#3  0x40daf7d8 in _ds_shadow_reshape () from /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/dropshadow/linux-gnueabi-arm/module.so
No locals.
#4  0x0002a0c0 in _e_main_cb_idler_before ()
No locals.
#5  0x4062d804 in _ecore_idle_enterer_call () from /usr/lib/libecore.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#6  0x40630ea0 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libecore.so.0
No symbol table info available.


and unloaded drop dropshadow module.... still alive although I did a few things ;-)
do you have dropshadow enabled?

also previously stracing it was making it less prone to crashing... I wondered
why -- now it seems to match -- it never entered _ecore_idle_enterer_call I
guess -- was constantly somewhat busy? 

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:

> > Beware:
> > at least on my system, when I replace the base "asu" theme with the  
> > "illume" theme, Enlightenment crashes a lot.
> just wanted to confirm since I am not sure on how to troubleshoot it

> it crashes with
> *** glibc detected *** enlightenment: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x004fcf98 ***
> in the terminal

> strace is not very informative to me (I have no clue in internals of enlightment)

> [pid  1122] write(13, ";\3\5\0%\0\240\0\0\0\0\0Z\1\302\0D\0\22\0\201\3\n\0$\0"..., 64) = 64
> [pid  1122] read(13, "\1\1\357A\0\0\0\0\21\2\240\0\350\341\25\0+\0\0\0(5\21\0"..., 32) = 32
> [pid  1122] gettimeofday({1701625338, 2388}, NULL) = 0                                     
> [pid  1122] write(13, "8\3\4\0%\0\240\0\0\0\10\0\0\0\0\0", 16) = 16
> [pid  1122] gettimeofday({1701625338, 8092}, NULL) = 0             
> [pid  1122] ioctl(13, FIONREAD, [0])    = 0                               
> [pid  1122] gettimeofday({1701625338, 14974}, NULL) = 0                   
> [pid  1122] --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
> [pid  1122] write(2, "**** SEGMENTATION FAULT ****\n", 29) = 29

> where 13 is

> lrwx------    1 root     root           64 Dec  3 12:31 /proc/1122/fd/13 -> inotify


> ok ... installing gdb and -dbg packages ;-)
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                                  .-.
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From paul at nlpagan.net  Wed Dec  3 19:20:22 2008
From: paul at nlpagan.net (Paul)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:20:22 +0100
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com>	<49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com>
Message-ID: <4936CDE6.8030802@nlpagan.net>


> I'm uploading a new image right now that includes Ruis virtual keyboard. 
> Please give it 30 minutes or so to complete the upload.
>   

Sounds fabulous, Sean. I wonder... will I be able to use the virtual 
keyboard to enter a PIN for the simcard? I can't remove that from the 
card (some providers think it's fun to make that so).

Paul

-- 
Heaven from all creatures hides the book of Fate.
-Alexander Pope

http://www.nlpagan.net
Running on Mandriva Linux 2009 and Ubuntu 8.10




From liedekef at telenet.be  Wed Dec  3 19:24:51 2008
From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:24:51 +0100
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com> <49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>
	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com>
Message-ID: <20081203192451.30e27bed@franky>

On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:12:59 +0700
Sean McNeil <sean at mcneil.com> wrote:

> I'm uploading a new image right now that includes Ruis virtual
> keyboard. Please give it 30 minutes or so to complete the upload.
> 
> Sean
> 

Sean,

which uImage should we take? uImage-android or uImage-tracking?

Franky



From openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net  Wed Dec  3 19:57:53 2008
From: openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net (Gothnet)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:57:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <20081203192451.30e27bed@franky>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com> <49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>
	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com> <20081203192451.30e27bed@franky>
Message-ID: <1228330673535-1610252.post@n2.nabble.com>




Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> 
> 
> Sean,
> 
> which uImage should we take? uImage-android or uImage-tracking?
> 
> Franky
> 
> 

Take a look here -

http://n2.nabble.com/andy-tracking-kernel--td1609293.html

for details on the kernel difference. and what you'll need to do to u-boot
to get the tracking kernel to boot.
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From liedekef at telenet.be  Wed Dec  3 20:05:06 2008
From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:05:06 +0100
Subject: How to remove microSD card
Message-ID: <20081203200506.6bf75990@franky>

Ok, so I'm feeling totally moronic now ... I'm pretty sure I entered my
microSD card some 3 months ago, but I can't seem to figure out how to
remove it again ... some howto for a gta02? I can't seem to find any
lever or pressure thingie to get it to pop open there and the info
mentioned on
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973 (gently
sliding) doesn't apply, nothing slides ...

Franky



From graeme at openmoko.org  Wed Dec  3 20:13:18 2008
From: graeme at openmoko.org (Graeme Gregory)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:13:18 +0000
Subject: How to remove microSD card
In-Reply-To: <20081203200506.6bf75990@franky>
References: <20081203200506.6bf75990@franky>
Message-ID: <1228331598.7801.1.camel@aquilonia>

On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 20:05 +0100, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> Ok, so I'm feeling totally moronic now ... I'm pretty sure I entered my
> microSD card some 3 months ago, but I can't seem to figure out how to
> remove it again ... some howto for a gta02? I can't seem to find any
> lever or pressure thingie to get it to pop open there and the info
> mentioned on
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973 (gently
> sliding) doesn't apply, nothing slides ...
> 
The general method is hook your nails under the metal pull and pray!

Graeme





From paul at nlpagan.net  Wed Dec  3 20:19:52 2008
From: paul at nlpagan.net (Paul)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:19:52 +0100
Subject: How to remove microSD card
In-Reply-To: <20081203200506.6bf75990@franky>
References: <20081203200506.6bf75990@franky>
Message-ID: <4936DBD8.2010208@nlpagan.net>


> Ok, so I'm feeling totally moronic now ... I'm pretty sure I entered my
> microSD card some 3 months ago, but I can't seem to figure out how to
> remove it again ... some howto for a gta02?

My how-to for you: carefully put a finger nail in the center of the lid 
and gently pull up.
I always do it like that and it has worked all the time.

Paul

-- 
Heaven from all creatures hides the book of Fate.
-Alexander Pope

http://www.nlpagan.net
Running on Mandriva Linux 2009 and Ubuntu 8.10




From paul at nlpagan.net  Wed Dec  3 20:20:25 2008
From: paul at nlpagan.net (Paul)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:20:25 +0100
Subject: How to remove microSD card
In-Reply-To: <1228331598.7801.1.camel@aquilonia>
References: <20081203200506.6bf75990@franky>
	<1228331598.7801.1.camel@aquilonia>
Message-ID: <4936DBF9.6020200@nlpagan.net>


> The general method is hook your nails under the metal pull and pray!
>   

Right. I forgot that last bit. Thanks.

p



From liedekef at telenet.be  Wed Dec  3 20:30:37 2008
From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:30:37 +0100
Subject: How to remove microSD card
In-Reply-To: <4936DBD8.2010208@nlpagan.net>
References: <20081203200506.6bf75990@franky>
	<4936DBD8.2010208@nlpagan.net>
Message-ID: <20081203203037.2397cb22@franky>

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:19:52 +0100
Paul <paul at nlpagan.net> wrote:

> 
> > Ok, so I'm feeling totally moronic now ... I'm pretty sure I
> > entered my microSD card some 3 months ago, but I can't seem to
> > figure out how to remove it again ... some howto for a gta02?
> 
> My how-to for you: carefully put a finger nail in the center of the
> lid and gently pull up.
> I always do it like that and it has worked all the time.
> 
> Paul
> 

yes! tx! Oh, btw: I prayed first :-)

Franky



From rdmyers at mtpalomar.net  Wed Dec  3 20:30:41 2008
From: rdmyers at mtpalomar.net (Rodney Myers)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:30:41 -0800
Subject: How to remove microSD card
In-Reply-To: <20081203200506.6bf75990@franky>
References: <20081203200506.6bf75990@franky>
Message-ID: <5979E4A5-744A-4C67-BCB4-1208E295F0CF@mtpalomar.net>

On Dec 3, 2008, at 11:05 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:

> Ok, so I'm feeling totally moronic now ... I'm pretty sure I entered  
> my
> microSD card some 3 months ago, but I can't seem to figure out how to
> remove it again ... some howto for a gta02? I can't seem to find any
> lever or pressure thingie to get it to pop open there and the info
> mentioned on
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973  
> (gently
> sliding) doesn't apply, nothing slides ...
>
> Franky

There is a space at the top of the SD card. put your finger nail in  
there and pull up gently.

I just figured this out as well.
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From mail at 3v1n0.net  Wed Dec  3 20:38:45 2008
From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:38:45 +0100
Subject: How to remove microSD card
In-Reply-To: <20081203200506.6bf75990@franky>
References: <20081203200506.6bf75990@franky>
Message-ID: <gh6n84$b5g$1@ger.gmane.org>

Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> Ok, so I'm feeling totally moronic now ... I'm pretty sure I entered my
> microSD card some 3 months ago, but I can't seem to figure out how to
> remove it again ... some howto for a gta02? I can't seem to find any
> lever or pressure thingie to get it to pop open there and the info
> mentioned on

What about using a piece of scotch tape to pull the metal?

-- 
Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux
http://www.3v1n0.net/




From abatrour at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 20:39:37 2008
From: abatrour at gmail.com (abatrour)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:39:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <1228330673535-1610252.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com> <49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>
	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com> <20081203192451.30e27bed@franky>
	<1228330673535-1610252.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1228333177864-1610406.post@n2.nabble.com>


The image doesn't work for me.
I'm using the daily u-boot build from yesterday, and the latest android
rootfs and kernel.

I have tried it with 2 different sd cards, a 256, and a 2gb both formatted
with a 50mb fat16 and the rest ext2.

it just sits at a black screen, I've waited over 20 minutes to see if it
does anything.
I've also checked out the sd card in my computer to discover that android
didn't write anything to the ext2 partition..
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From paul at nlpagan.net  Wed Dec  3 20:40:26 2008
From: paul at nlpagan.net (Paul)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:40:26 +0100
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <1228330673535-1610252.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com>
	<49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com>
	<20081203192451.30e27bed@franky>
	<1228330673535-1610252.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4936E0AA.8030304@nlpagan.net>


>> which uImage should we take? uImage-android or uImage-tracking?
>>     

Right.. I stuck the new jffs and uImage-android on the Freerunner.

I can get to the system even though the SIM card is not recognised 
(probably because the SIM's pin is still in place). Pressing menu (power 
button) takes me away from the prompt, works well.

Looks nice, works well. Good job!

Could not get to a shell, but perhaps I should've tried that as root?

Paul
(Just too bad about the phone bit... ;-)

-- 
Heaven from all creatures hides the book of Fate.
-Alexander Pope

http://www.nlpagan.net
Running on Mandriva Linux 2009 and Ubuntu 8.10




From lists at tdobson.net  Wed Dec  3 21:09:18 2008
From: lists at tdobson.net (Tim Dobson)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:09:18 +0000
Subject: Internet Key on Neo Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <200811282240.57649.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <fe72b0050811281320pd30bbc7le41c3927119100f0@mail.gmail.com>	<op.ulcm7g0j41evsb@ginguppin>
	<200811282240.57649.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4936E76E.9030105@tdobson.net>

Al Johnson wrote:
> Only some 3G SIMs are problematic (bug #666), and that seems to have been 
> fixed with the recent gsm firmware update. It now works for my O2 UK SIM 
> anyway.

It does?

I'll have to check that out! Thanks for the heads up!

(I moved from Orange UK to O2 because of this bug.)

--
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----
If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us
still has one object.
If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now
has two ideas.   -  George Bernard Shaw



From m.camenzind at live.com  Wed Dec  3 21:38:29 2008
From: m.camenzind at live.com (Matthias Camenzind)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:38:29 +0000
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <1228333177864-1610406.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com> <49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>
	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com> <20081203192451.30e27bed@franky>
	<1228330673535-1610252.post@n2.nabble.com> 
	<1228333177864-1610406.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <BLU138-W301EB97DC7493DC3A72EE29D030@phx.gbl>


I tried this with 512MB SD (it works):
        Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks  Id System
/dev/mmcblk0p1               1        7814      250040   6 FAT16
/dev/mmcblk0p2            7815       15568      248128  83 Linux

Make sure you do in fdisk "f,2,6" as described in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Prepare_the_SD_card (Preparing and formating).
I think "f,2,6" or the size of FAT16 partition solves the problem. Both partitions are empty (not sure if necessary). 

> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:39:37 -0800
> From: abatrour at gmail.com
> To: community at lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs
> 
> 
> The image doesn't work for me.
> I'm using the daily u-boot build from yesterday, and the latest android
> rootfs and kernel.
> 
> I have tried it with 2 different sd cards, a 256, and a 2gb both formatted
> with a 50mb fat16 and the rest ext2.
> 
> it just sits at a black screen, I've waited over 20 minutes to see if it
> does anything.
> I've also checked out the sd card in my computer to discover that android
> didn't write anything to the ext2 partition..
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/First-impressions-on-new-Android-rootfs-tp1603648p1610406.html
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From evadim at evadim.ru  Wed Dec  3 21:39:10 2008
From: evadim at evadim.ru (Vadim, Efimov)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:39:10 +0300
Subject: [OM2008.x] praise for the new testing image
In-Reply-To: <20081203115806.1272344klrgwv6tq@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
References: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<20081203115806.1272344klrgwv6tq@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <op.ullrmax6j0u8pj@vadim>

> Another 2 positive points I forgot to mention:
> - the UCSD messages are now correctly displayed (yay, I can see my
> account balance!!)
how? i "call" *102# and dialer just disappear...



From m.camenzind at live.com  Wed Dec  3 21:48:38 2008
From: m.camenzind at live.com (Matthias Camenzind)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:48:38 +0000
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <BLU138-W301EB97DC7493DC3A72EE29D030@phx.gbl>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com> <49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>
	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com> <20081203192451.30e27bed@franky>
	<1228330673535-1610252.post@n2.nabble.com> 
	<1228333177864-1610406.post@n2.nabble.com> 
	<BLU138-W301EB97DC7493DC3A72EE29D030@phx.gbl>
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Sorry not f, use "t,2,6"

From: m.camenzind at live.com
To: community at lists.openmoko.org
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:38:29 +0000
Subject: RE: First impressions on new Android rootfs








I tried this with 512MB SD (it works):
        Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks  Id System
/dev/mmcblk0p1               1        7814      250040   6 FAT16
/dev/mmcblk0p2            7815       15568      248128  83 Linux

Make sure you do in fdisk "f,2,6" as described in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Prepare_the_SD_card (Preparing and formating).
I think "f,2,6" or the size of FAT16 partition solves the problem. Both partitions are empty (not sure if necessary). 

> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:39:37 -0800
> From: abatrour at gmail.com
> To: community at lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs
> 
> 
> The image doesn't work for me.
> I'm using the daily u-boot build from yesterday, and the latest android
> rootfs and kernel.
> 
> I have tried it with 2 different sd cards, a 256, and a 2gb both formatted
> with a 50mb fat16 and the rest ext2.
> 
> it just sits at a black screen, I've waited over 20 minutes to see if it
> does anything.
> I've also checked out the sd card in my computer to discover that android
> didn't write anything to the ext2 partition..
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/First-impressions-on-new-Android-rootfs-tp1603648p1610406.html
> Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
> 
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From prishelec at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 21:49:42 2008
From: prishelec at gmail.com (Leonti Bielski)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:49:42 +0100
Subject: mplayer with glamo and audio - very slow
In-Reply-To: <1228317006.3444.3.camel@localhost>
References: <815cb1720812021838m38885447kdfc62c8fd510009b@mail.gmail.com>
	<49367EEE.7070502@darkganja.net>
	<200812031351.29581.ant@truebox.co.uk>
	<1228317006.3444.3.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <815cb1720812031249j23b4748fw5e10ef11af62f82f@mail.gmail.com>

I tried it with andy-tracking kernel and with mplayer -vo glamo
my_file.avi it worked well.

But when I tried to resize it with -zoom -x 480 -y 620 it started to
play slow again.
Is there any way to make scaling in glamo chip?

My conclusion that the sound problem lies in kernel - I switched back
to 2.6.24 and I can't play video with sound again.

Leonti

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Pierre Lascar <openmoko at darkganja.net> wrote:
> Le mercredi 03 d?cembre 2008 ? 13:51 +0000, Antony King a ?crit :
>> I seem to recall there was an issue a while back with pulseaudio transcoding
>> the audio on the fly between identical formats and gobbling CPU in the
>> process. Could that be a possibility here ?
>>
>
> I used -vo oss with alsa-oss on 2008.9, so there should be no pulseaudio
> around.
>
> Pierre.
>
>
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From prishelec at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 21:54:35 2008
From: prishelec at gmail.com (Leonti Bielski)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:54:35 +0100
Subject: Why echo solution is not in framework?
Message-ID: <815cb1720812031254m2e804eei7b2922c84bb36bcc@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!
A lot of FSO, SHR users use echo solution from:
http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1486414|a1518726
to get rid of echo.
It works very well. So why it is still not in framework git?
Does it have some drawbacks which can't allow fso guys to include it
in frameworkd?

Leonti



From zoup at zoup.org  Wed Dec  3 22:13:16 2008
From: zoup at zoup.org (Armin ranjbar)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 00:43:16 +0330
Subject: Raster keyboard on daily testing
In-Reply-To: <20081203181326.GE25994@washoe.rutgers.edu>
References: <20081203172834.ba2fe7cb.zoup@zoup.org>
	<20081203162613.20517kn984f6oeud@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<20081203175435.GD25994@washoe.rutgers.edu>
	<20081203181326.GE25994@washoe.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <20081204004316.cec5dba3.zoup@zoup.org>

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:13:28 -0500
Yaroslav Halchenko <site-openmoko.org at onerussian.com> wrote:

> and unloaded drop dropshadow module.... still alive although I did a few
> things ;-) do you have dropshadow enabled?



where did you do this ?

-- 
Armin ranjbar , System Administrator



From gecco at napodano.com  Wed Dec  3 22:18:59 2008
From: gecco at napodano.com (Carlo Minucci)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:18:59 +0100
Subject: TwitterMoko 0.4 out
In-Reply-To: <4936A1C6.3080206@kipdola.com>
References: <493675A6.10803@napodano.com>	<1228315624.4000.33.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
	<4936A1C6.3080206@kipdola.com>
Message-ID: <4936F7C3.6050006@napodano.com>

Jelle De Loecker ha scritto:

> I'm currently using Twitux on my debian install, I don't mind trying out 
> TwitterMoko
> 
> Greetings,
> Jelle De Loecker

thanks :)



From timo.lindfors at iki.fi  Wed Dec  3 22:34:06 2008
From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:34:06 +0200
Subject: Why echo solution is not in framework?
In-Reply-To: <815cb1720812031254m2e804eei7b2922c84bb36bcc@mail.gmail.com>
	(Leonti Bielski's message of "Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:54:35 +0100")
References: <815cb1720812031254m2e804eei7b2922c84bb36bcc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <841vwpeyep.fsf@sauna.l.org>

"Leonti Bielski" <prishelec at gmail.com> writes:
> http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1486414|a1518726

Grr, that link does not work without javascript. Had to wait a while
for iceweasel to start.

> It works very well. So why it is still not in framework git?
> Does it have some drawbacks which can't allow fso guys to include it
> in frameworkd?

$ git clone git://git.freesmartphone.org/framework.git
$ grep -r %N0 .
./framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py:        c.append( "%N028B" ) # Long Echo Cancellation: active, -6db
./framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py:        c.append( "%N0125" ) # Noise reduction: active, -6db

So yes, instead of %N0187 it has %N028B and %N0125. Is there any
documentation on what %N0187 is supposed to do?



From dscaini at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 23:18:56 2008
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:18:56 +0100
Subject: [debian] gps still no solution
In-Reply-To: <20081203160520.GD1989@s>
References: <18db98c80812030620t4d15d325vde388ce93505266b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228315083.4000.30.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net> <m3myfd5mof.fsf@verona.se>
	<20081203160520.GD1989@s>
Message-ID: <18db98c80812031418h73b05453u5eeacab9c6475d1b@mail.gmail.com>

hi sasha,
i followed your recipe (without removing nodm, i'm frightened about playing
with this...), but
/usr/share/doc/fso-frameworkd/examples/ogpsd_resource.py
and i get
dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown:
The name org.freesmartphone.ousaged was not provided by any .service files

so it breaks...
right now i have no tools to test your recipe till the end...
now i'll try if it works out of the box with its /etc/init.d/frameworkd then
i'll give up... (..for a while)
d


On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Sascha Wessel <wessel at nefkom.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 04:00:00PM +0100, joakim at verona.se wrote:
> > Joachim Breitner <nomeata at debian.org> writes:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Am Mittwoch, den 03.12.2008, 15:20 +0100 schrieb Davide Scaini:
> > >> ...after installing new fso some weeks ago my gps stopped working...
> > >> I installed all requested packages, fso-config-gta02, but no gps
> > >> working (like previous versions...).
> > >> I tried to downgrade but i have no idea what/where i have to download.
> > >> I searched on wiki... checked all the possibilities and the frameworkd
> > >> conf file...
> > >> now: ogpsd comes with fso? ogpsd it's not packaged on debian (if it's
> > >> something to be packaged)... with debian comes only gpsd but seems
> > >> that fso dislikes it, and the config file mentions only ogpsd...
> > >>
> > >> I'm sure that someone uf you uses debian with gps... how in the
> > >> hell??? ;-)
> > >> with old fso???
> > >> if i type
> > >> cat /dev/ttySAC1 i have no output while when my gps worked i got lots
> > >> of output...
> > >
> > > it works here. Are you testing it with zhone?
> >
> > I'm having the same experience.
> > fso-gpsd used to work fine and now all of a sudden after upgrades it has
> > refused to work for a while.
>
> Hmm, I just reinstalled frameworkd and it works without problems.
> Can you try the same?
>
> 1. backup
> 2. remove everything fso related
>   $ dpkg -P fso-config-gta02 fso-frameworkd fso-frameworkd-wireless-glue
> fso-gpsd fso-sounds-openmoko-nonfree nodm gpsd
> 3. I got some warnings about non empty directories and removed them
> manually
> 4. install
>   $ apt-get update
>   $ apt-get install fso-frameworkd fso-frameworkd-wireless-glue
> fso-sounds-openmoko-nonfree fso-config-gta02
> 5. disbable frameworkd
>   $ mv /etc/init.d/fso-frameworkd /etc/init.d/fso-frameworkd.backup
> 6. reboot
> 7. ssh and start screen with 3 windows (in this order):
>   $ frameworkd # and wait some seconds
>   $ /usr/share/doc/fso-frameworkd/examples/ogpsd_resource.py
>   $ /usr/share/doc/fso-frameworkd/examples/ogpsd_signals.py
> 8. go outside for at least 10 minutes
> 9. check screen window 3
>
> optional: strace the pid/fd (get them with `lsof | grep ttySAC1`)
>
>
> Greetings,
> Sascha
>
>
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From rdmyers at mtpalomar.net  Wed Dec  3 23:24:27 2008
From: rdmyers at mtpalomar.net (Rodney Myers)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:24:27 -0800
Subject: working SIM install, network problems
Message-ID: <4AA9B942-E268-402F-A08A-67380C4939F2@mtpalomar.net>

Debian stable, and neorunner

I have a semi-functioning Neo right now, thanks to the Hackable:1  
folkes (http://www.hackable1.org/)

I have changed all instances, that I find, from 192.168.0.* to  
192.168.1.*, for my lan.

I've followed this wiki page for networking debian;

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others

also changing the 192.168.0.* address'.

even though I have the Neo & debian machines configured.

not sure what log files would be helpful, but it the output from the  
debian /var/log/syslog;

Dec  3 14:00:34 riverside kernel: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device  
using uhci_hcd and address 13
Dec  3 14:00:35 riverside kernel: usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen  
from 2 choices
Dec  3 14:00:35 riverside kernel: usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at  
usb-0000:00:10.1-2, CDC Ethernet Device, 8e:0b:55:07:0b:6c
Dec  3 14:00:35 riverside NetworkManager: <debug  
info>^I[1228341635.150394] nm_hal_device_added (): New device added  
(hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/ 
usb_device_1457_5122_noserial').
Dec  3 14:00:35 riverside NetworkManager: <debug  
info>^I[1228341635.151091] nm_hal_device_added (): New device added  
(hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/ 
usb_device_1457_5122_noserial_if1').
Dec  3 14:00:35 riverside NetworkManager: <debug  
info>^I[1228341635.244100] nm_hal_device_added (): New device added  
(hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/ 
usb_device_1457_5122_noserial_if0').
Dec  3 14:00:35 riverside NetworkManager: <debug  
info>^I[1228341635.291089] nm_hal_device_added (): New device added  
(hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_8e_0b_55_07_0b_6c').
Dec  3 14:00:35 riverside NetworkManager: <debug  
info>^I[1228341635.310031] nm_hal_device_added (): New device added  
(hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/ 
usb_device_1457_5122_noserial_usbraw').
Dec  3 14:00:35 riverside avahi-daemon[2868]: New relevant interface  
usb0.IPv4 for mDNS.
Dec  3 14:00:35 riverside avahi-daemon[2868]: Joining mDNS multicast  
group on interface usb0.IPv4 with address 192.168.1.200.
Dec  3 14:00:35 riverside avahi-daemon[2868]: Registering new address  
record for 192.168.1.200 on usb0.
Dec  3 14:00:45 riverside kernel: usb0: no IPv6 routers present

any help would be greatly appreciated.

thank you
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From dscaini at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 23:26:29 2008
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:26:29 +0100
Subject: [debian] gps still no solution
In-Reply-To: <8463m1fhhf.fsf@sauna.l.org>
References: <18db98c80812030620t4d15d325vde388ce93505266b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8463m1fhhf.fsf@sauna.l.org>
Message-ID: <18db98c80812031426t2206375kf390529fee11835a@mail.gmail.com>

sorry but... as far as i know gpsd is not something to use with fso now...
because fso uses ogpsd (that is "embedded" in fso)...
or am i totally wrong?
d

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors
<timo.lindfors at iki.fi>wrote:

> "Davide Scaini" <dscaini at gmail.com> writes:
> > now: ogpsd comes with fso? ogpsd it's not packaged on debian (if it's
>
> It is part of fso-frameworkd package. It is not a separate binary or
> process.
>
> > I'm sure that someone uf you uses debian with gps... how in the hell???
> ;-)
> > with old fso???
>
> I use
>
>
>  sys_pm_gps="/sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0"
>  if [ ! -d $sys_pm_gps ]; then
>     sys_pm_gps="/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0"
>  fi
>  echo 1 | sudo tee $sys_pm_gps/pwron
>
> to turn GPS on and
>
>  gpsd -F gpsd.sock -N -n -D 1 /dev/ttySAC1
>
> to talk to it. I can then run e.g.
>
>  echo rw | netcat localhost gpsd > gps.dump
>
> to capture all GPS data.
>
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From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Wed Dec  3 23:29:12 2008
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:29:12 +0100
Subject: How to remove microSD card
In-Reply-To: <gh6n84$b5g$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <20081203200506.6bf75990@franky> <gh6n84$b5g$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <3494db260812031429u44ee0c84ke89f51b939872a2b@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/3/08, "Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o)" <mail at 3v1n0.net> wrote:
> Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
>> Ok, so I'm feeling totally moronic now ... I'm pretty sure I entered my
>> microSD card some 3 months ago, but I can't seem to figure out how to
>> remove it again ... some howto for a gta02? I can't seem to find any
>> lever or pressure thingie to get it to pop open there and the info
>> mentioned on
>
> What about using a piece of scotch tape to pull the metal?
>
> --

check also following thread:

http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1490212



From denis.johnson at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 23:52:00 2008
From: denis.johnson at gmail.com (Denis Johnson)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:52:00 +1000
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <BLU138-W301EB97DC7493DC3A72EE29D030@phx.gbl>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>
	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com> <20081203192451.30e27bed@franky>
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	<1228333177864-1610406.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<BLU138-W301EB97DC7493DC3A72EE29D030@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20607da10812031452x300a7bfcw8cf77ccce90266e4@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:38 AM, Matthias Camenzind <m.camenzind at live.com> wrote:
> I tried this with 512MB SD (it works):
>         Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks  Id System
> /dev/mmcblk0p1               1        7814      250040   6 FAT16
> /dev/mmcblk0p2            7815       15568      248128  83 Linux

Would you please spend 5 minutes and post a short list of what works
and what does not. Perhaps worth a spot on the WIKI.

I'd like to know what to expect before I embark on re-flashing from
current QTExtended 4.4.2 (calls working well with no echo or buzz when
on handset, suspend/resume, occasional late or duplicate sms
notifications and other minor grizzles ) and also having to prepare an
SD card just to find out on Android I still can't do the basics again
like make or receive calls, sms or suspend.

cheers Denis



From andy at openmoko.com  Thu Dec  4 00:01:00 2008
From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:01:00 +0000
Subject: dualboot. u-boot now, Qi later
In-Reply-To: <4936C1BA.7070105@bigendian.dk>
References: <4936C1BA.7070105@bigendian.dk>
Message-ID: <49370FAC.4030606@openmoko.com>

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| I was considering starting to use the Neo as a daily phone, so I need to
| dualboot.
|
| Are there anything special I need to consider to make the partitioning
| compatible with future Qi bootloader?
|
| I thought of making a few smaller partitions for different kernels and a
| few larger of different rootfs + one large for my personal data.
|
| But that will mean more than 4 partitions. Will logical partions work
| just as well with Qi? Are there any special order which is better?
|
| Or will I have wipe all systems and start over when Qi arrives?

No Qi is adapatable to existing common partition schemes on uSD.

What it does is look in first three uSD partitions in turn for ext2 / 3
filesystem, if it finds one and /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin in there it will
pull it in and try to boot it.  If none of those worked out, on GTA02
anyway it will try to boot from NAND kernel similar to U-Boot (except Qi
studies the image and pulls the correct length of NAND for any size kernel).

If it sees a FAT partition it'll just skip it for consideration for
booting and try the next one.

On GTA03 it'll be a similar deal except it looks for
/boot/uImage-GTA03.bin, it means you can isert the same uSD and
filesystems on multiple kinds of device and it will pull the correct
kernel for that device.

- -Andy
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From peter at strapp.co.uk  Thu Dec  4 00:10:08 2008
From: peter at strapp.co.uk (Peter Strapp)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:10:08 +0000
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <4936E0AA.8030304@nlpagan.net>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com>	<49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com>	<20081203192451.30e27bed@franky>	<1228330673535-1610252.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4936E0AA.8030304@nlpagan.net>
Message-ID: <493711D0.2020902@strapp.co.uk>

Paul wrote:
>>> which uImage should we take? uImage-android or uImage-tracking?
>>>     
>>>       
>
> Right.. I stuck the new jffs and uImage-android on the Freerunner.
>
> I can get to the system even though the SIM card is not recognised 
> (probably because the SIM's pin is still in place). Pressing menu (power 
> button) takes me away from the prompt, works well.
>
> Looks nice, works well. Good job!
>
> Could not get to a shell, but perhaps I should've tried that as root?
>
> Paul
> (Just too bad about the phone bit... ;-)
>
>   
Hi, do you know whether the wake from suspend issue has been resolved in 
this image?

Peter




From dscaini at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 00:10:35 2008
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 00:10:35 +0100
Subject: [debian] gps still no solution
In-Reply-To: <18db98c80812030620t4d15d325vde388ce93505266b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18db98c80812030620t4d15d325vde388ce93505266b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18db98c80812031510m4eb03bf2gbcf40e99e0cb038c@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah! Finally it works! Needed to work is to remove a file named
something like ogpsd.conf in /etc/freesmartphone and remove also the
folder.Now i'm not that sure about the names,but right now i have no
way to check it..Pretty sure.Next week i'll send you the right one if
something wrong.
D

2008/12/3, Davide Scaini <dscaini at gmail.com>:
> ...after installing new fso some weeks ago my gps stopped working...
> I installed all requested packages, fso-config-gta02, but no gps working
> (like previous versions...).
> I tried to downgrade but i have no idea what/where i have to download.
> I searched on wiki... checked all the possibilities and the frameworkd conf
> file...
> now: ogpsd comes with fso? ogpsd it's not packaged on debian (if it's
> something to be packaged)... with debian comes only gpsd but seems that fso
> dislikes it, and the config file mentions only ogpsd...
>
> I'm sure that someone uf you uses debian with gps... how in the hell??? ;-)
> with old fso???
> if i type
> cat /dev/ttySAC1 i have no output while when my gps worked i got lots of
> output...
>
> please help me! ;-)
> d
>



From wpmaillist at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 00:19:05 2008
From: wpmaillist at gmail.com (wp)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 00:19:05 +0100
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <493711D0.2020902@strapp.co.uk>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>
	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com> <20081203192451.30e27bed@franky>
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Hi
Thanks for providing an image.
Few words from me:
I'm able to make calls, but it's rather hard to hear other person in a
speaker (he does hear me very well, no echo issue).
After receiving a message (yep, it works) I lost contact with my gsm
network, so I can't answer. Reboots did not work, i'm reflashing right
now.
Couldn't find my wifi network, but it maybe my router's issue.
Resume from a suspend does not work.
Browser and few apps too, but it's not high prioritaire right now, I think ;)
Everything beside that - is great! Thanks and waiting for more ;)

ps. After reflashing, I still don't have a gsm connection. After
reinserting sim, I've got a connection and lost it again. Some
problems here..



From timo.lindfors at iki.fi  Thu Dec  4 00:29:52 2008
From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:29:52 +0200
Subject: [debian] gps still no solution
In-Reply-To: <18db98c80812031426t2206375kf390529fee11835a@mail.gmail.com>
	(Davide Scaini's message of "Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:26:29 +0100")
References: <18db98c80812030620t4d15d325vde388ce93505266b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8463m1fhhf.fsf@sauna.l.org>
	<18db98c80812031426t2206375kf390529fee11835a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <84wseget1r.fsf@sauna.l.org>

"Davide Scaini" <dscaini at gmail.com> writes:
> sorry but... as far as i know gpsd is not something to use with fso now...
> because fso uses ogpsd (that is "embedded" in fso)...
> or am i totally wrong?

You just need to disable gpsd from frameworkd.conf




From tg at x-net.hu  Thu Dec  4 00:36:50 2008
From: tg at x-net.hu (Gabor Adam TOTH)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:36:50 +0100
Subject: Raster keyboard on daily testing
In-Reply-To: <20081203162613.20517kn984f6oeud@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
References: <20081203172834.ba2fe7cb.zoup@zoup.org>
	<20081203162613.20517kn984f6oeud@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <49371812.4030109@x-net.hu>

Vasco N?voa wrote:
> See:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#How_to_install_the_illume_.28Raster.27s.29_keyboard_.3F
> 
> Beware:
> at least on my system, when I replace the base "asu" theme with the  
> "illume" theme, Enlightenment crashes a lot.

yeah, that happened to me as well
since i changed the engine to software_x from software_x_16 it's more stable

see http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1767

-- 
Gabor Adam Toth

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From billk at iinet.net.au  Thu Dec  4 00:41:07 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:41:07 +0900
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <20081203135407.GL4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost> <1228294250.6451.11.camel@rattus>
	<20081203135407.GL4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <1228347667.6451.45.camel@rattus>

Ticket #2157

Would be nice if anyone else is seeing this to pipe up too - starting to
feel its just me ...

BillK




On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 21:54 +0800, John Lee wrote:
> > On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 19:50 +0800, John Lee wrote:
> > > Dear Community,
> > > 
> > > As Sushama (our new testing team member) indicated in
> > >
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003493.html ,
> > > we won't have a release in Nov.  Currently the testing team is
> going
> > ...
> > 
> > Ive been using this for a couple of days now and have some more
> items:
> > 
> > SMS messages are still being held up.  If the phone is suspended, it
> > will wake but never indicate an SMS has been received.  They only
> show
> > up when rebooting the phone, or mostly on restarting the xserver.
> There
> > are a few bugs on this like 1766, but thats not exactly the same and
> was
> > supposed to be fixed in testing - would this fix come in as part of
> the
> > upgrade?
> 
> This doesn't seem like #1766, and I've just received a sms in
> suspend... Could you file a ticket?  Please attach the following if
> possible:
> 
> * upgrade from Om2008.9 or flashed daily image ?
> * output of 'opkg list_installed'
> * logread
> * the modified qtopia config file, if any.
> 
-- 
William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
Home in Perth!




From nomeata at debian.org  Thu Dec  4 00:44:06 2008
From: nomeata at debian.org (Joachim Breitner)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:44:06 +0100
Subject: TwitterMoko 0.4 out
In-Reply-To: <4936F7C3.6050006@napodano.com>
References: <493675A6.10803@napodano.com>
	<1228315624.4000.33.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
	<4936A1C6.3080206@kipdola.com> <4936F7C3.6050006@napodano.com>
Message-ID: <1228347846.4000.47.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>

Hi Carlo,

Am Mittwoch, den 03.12.2008, 22:18 +0100 schrieb Carlo Minucci:
> Jelle De Loecker ha scritto:
> 
> > I'm currently using Twitux on my debian install, I don't mind trying out 
> > TwitterMoko
> > 
> > Greetings,
> > Jelle De Loecker
> 
> thanks :)

I looked a bit more at your project, and I have a few suggestions that
would make packaging it easier:

 * Please use a proper setup.py (using the python distutils) to 
   install your files into the proper locations. See 
   http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/openmoko-panel-plugin.git;a=blob;f=setup.py;h=d6056f95561b9a8f4f602fc968e0bc8e6ca7a18b;hb=HEAD
   as an example.
 * Using this setup.py, you can create proper and consistent tar-balls
   using "./setup.py sdist". Make sure that you set the version number
   corresponding, and check that all required files are included.

Given such a sdist-created tarball, one can easily make a
low-maintenance Debian package out of it, and also other distributions
can pick it up more easily than with an uncommon way of distribution
your software.

Additionally, while reading through your code, I?m wondering (please
don?t take this personally): Does TwitterMoko have any advantages over
existing projects such as twitux? What are it?s distinct features? Is
there a good reason to fork and launch curl for each access, passing all
parameters via the commandline and possibly not fully escaped, and
blocking on the output of curl, instead of using some asynchronous http
library directly?

Also, the config should be saved in, say ~/.twittermoko.cfg, instead of
a global place, and probably created with mode 660 (who knows, someone
might actually have a guest ssh login to his FreeRunner :-)

I hope this does not discourage you from working on TwitterMoko, but
give you some hints on how to improve it ? but I think befor inclusion
in Debian, things have to evolve a litte bit.

Greetings,
Joachim

-- 
Joachim "nomeata" Breitner
Debian Developer
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From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Thu Dec  4 00:50:28 2008
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:50:28 +0000
Subject: Why echo solution is not in framework?
In-Reply-To: <841vwpeyep.fsf@sauna.l.org>
References: <815cb1720812031254m2e804eei7b2922c84bb36bcc@mail.gmail.com>
	<841vwpeyep.fsf@sauna.l.org>
Message-ID: <200812032350.28313.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Wednesday 03 December 2008, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> "Leonti Bielski" <prishelec at gmail.com> writes:
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1486414|a1518726
>
> Grr, that link does not work without javascript. Had to wait a while
> for iceweasel to start.
>
> > It works very well. So why it is still not in framework git?
> > Does it have some drawbacks which can't allow fso guys to include it
> > in frameworkd?
>
> $ git clone git://git.freesmartphone.org/framework.git
> $ grep -r %N0 .
> ./framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py:       
> c.append( "%N028B" ) # Long Echo Cancellation: active, -6db
> ./framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py:       
> c.append( "%N0125" ) # Noise reduction: active, -6db
>
> So yes, instead of %N0187 it has %N028B and %N0125.

It applies them at initialisation which works fine for me, but seems to affect 
only the first call for some people. The change mentioned applies %N0187 on 
every call state transition, so it is freshly applied on every call. It is 
discussed here:

http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1479821%7Ca1518706

> Is there any 
> documentation on what %N0187 is supposed to do?

All the documentation we have is the string they return when you call them.  
They're not even in the docs TI supplied to Openmoko apparently. It looks 
like the numbers form a bitmask, but exactly what the bits control is 
unknown. We don't know what may cause them to be reset, and we don't have a 
means to query the current setting. Now that the GSM firmware is being 
actively worked on again we may get answers to some of these questions.

http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td784752%7Ca786187
http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td796772%7Ca796772



From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Thu Dec  4 00:55:05 2008
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:55:05 +0000
Subject: [debian] gps still no solution
In-Reply-To: <84wseget1r.fsf@sauna.l.org>
References: <18db98c80812030620t4d15d325vde388ce93505266b@mail.gmail.com>
	<18db98c80812031426t2206375kf390529fee11835a@mail.gmail.com>
	<84wseget1r.fsf@sauna.l.org>
Message-ID: <200812032355.05857.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Wednesday 03 December 2008, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> "Davide Scaini" <dscaini at gmail.com> writes:
> > sorry but... as far as i know gpsd is not something to use with fso
> > now... because fso uses ogpsd (that is "embedded" in fso)...
> > or am i totally wrong?
>
> You just need to disable gpsd from frameworkd.conf

I assume you mean disable ogpsd in frameworkd.conf so that you can run gpsd 
instead.



From hiretto at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 00:56:44 2008
From: hiretto at gmail.com (Riccardo Centra)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 00:56:44 +0100
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com> <49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>
	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com>
Message-ID: <424a1eac0812031556j513e7521h143ca1a166def561@mail.gmail.com>

Sean with the lastest image the gsm doesn't work :(

2008/12/3 Sean McNeil <sean at mcneil.com>

> Gothnet wrote:
> >
> > Warren Baird wrote:
> >
> >> I agree Android looks like it has a lot of promise - but if you want a
> >> functioning phone today - I'd suggest trying out QtExtended 4.4.2 - it
> >> doesn't give you much more than basic phone functionality, but I've been
> >> using it as my day-to-day phone for a month now, and am generally pretty
> >> happy with it...
> >>
> >> Warren
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Qtopia is one of the two things I didn't try, SHR being the other. I gave
> up
> > on the rest because of the unresponsive interfaces, poor battery life,
> > terrible remote echo (tried everything I could find), refusal to wake up
> in
> > a timely fashion on incoming calls etc. I was also discouraged by the
> > prominence of "we should work on stuff for GTA03" comments on the lists.
> >
> > I now have a cheap sony-ericsson for the sake of my sanity, so I'll wait
> > until android or other distro can provide a bit more than basic phone
> > functions, or at least do it better than what I have. Android looks like
> it
> > could be the quickest route to solving most of the issues and the echo
> was
> > gone straight away. i know I ought to get off my a*se and help, but after
> > the dayjob I don't have much appetite for coding and debugging right now.
> >
>
> I'm uploading a new image right now that includes Ruis virtual keyboard.
> Please give it 30 minutes or so to complete the upload.
>
> Sean
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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From captain.deadly at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 00:57:53 2008
From: captain.deadly at gmail.com (Arigead)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:57:53 +0000
Subject: Funding Global Domination
In-Reply-To: <200812031838.05799.haduong@centre-cired.fr>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>	<op.ulk14r0j41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
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Minh Ha Duong wrote:
> Le mercredi 03 d?cembre 2008, arne anka a ?crit :
>>>> The second option is more like it. It takes a few hours to design a
>>>> T-Shirt
>>>> and upload it to an online store where everybody else can go and buy
>>>> it. So
>>>> just do it: the entry costs are so low that there is no real need for a
>>>> formal market study !
>>> There may be trademark issues, better clear that with OpenMoko first!
>> not only that.
>> didn't the op intend to propose a way for _openmoko_ to earn more money?
>> while anybody might donate artwork, the actual distribution has to be done
>> on behalf of openmoko -- or more reasonably by openmoko itself.
> 
> Rui: There are lots of cool artwork under a Cc: license on the wiki including 
> the hardware schematics and : 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Desktop_wallpaper_gallery
> Copyright are not an issue, please. No company will give you a blanket 
> agreement to use their name as you please in any derivative product, but no 
> company will deny fans the right to make T-Shirts with their name on it, if 
> you show them specific T-Shirts design.
> 
> Arne: OpenMoko made it clear that they were not into selling derived products 
> (I can't bother to find the post, that was a few months ago.).
> 
> Cordially,
> Minh

Thanks for the info all,
    as Arne correctly spotted I was only interested in helping fund
global domination, which does not come for free. I can design my own T
Shirt and have it made but benefit to OM = Zero. Not interested in this
at all. If OM have made it clear they are not into derived products then
that answers the question I asked and the subject is closed.

Thanks again, like I say not all ideas can be winners ;-) or should that
be :-(
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From site-openmoko.org at onerussian.com  Thu Dec  4 01:03:02 2008
From: site-openmoko.org at onerussian.com (Yaroslav Halchenko)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:03:02 -0500
Subject: Raster keyboard on daily testing
In-Reply-To: <20081204004316.cec5dba3.zoup@zoup.org>
References: <20081203172834.ba2fe7cb.zoup@zoup.org>
	<20081203162613.20517kn984f6oeud@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<20081203175435.GD25994@washoe.rutgers.edu>
	<20081203181326.GE25994@washoe.rutgers.edu>
	<20081204004316.cec5dba3.zoup@zoup.org>
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> > and unloaded drop dropshadow module.... still alive although I did a few
> > things ;-) do you have dropshadow enabled?
> where did you do this ?
illume configuration gui -> modules -- there you can see if it is loaded
and unload it

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From dscaini at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 01:05:04 2008
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 01:05:04 +0100
Subject: [debian] gps still no solution
In-Reply-To: <200812032355.05857.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <18db98c80812030620t4d15d325vde388ce93505266b@mail.gmail.com>
	<18db98c80812031426t2206375kf390529fee11835a@mail.gmail.com>
	<84wseget1r.fsf@sauna.l.org>
	<200812032355.05857.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <18db98c80812031605u799bcbc8ga3b95cd39bfa5602@mail.gmail.com>

Ok sorry,the right folder to remove and let fso updated work is:
/var/lib/freesmartphone
and no gpsd is required more.
Thanks to all!Great job!
:) d

2008/12/4, Al Johnson <openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk>:
> On Wednesday 03 December 2008, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
>> "Davide Scaini" <dscaini at gmail.com> writes:
>> > sorry but... as far as i know gpsd is not something to use with fso
>> > now... because fso uses ogpsd (that is "embedded" in fso)...
>> > or am i totally wrong?
>>
>> You just need to disable gpsd from frameworkd.conf
>
> I assume you mean disable ogpsd in frameworkd.conf so that you can run gpsd
> instead.
>
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From openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net  Thu Dec  4 01:10:44 2008
From: openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net (Gothnet)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:10:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <20081203192451.30e27bed@franky>
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Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> 
> which uImage should we take? uImage-android or uImage-tracking?
> 


OK, for the hard of thinking (amongst whom I count myself) I got the
tracking kernel booting by following the "what if I borked my bootloader"
instructions from here -

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader

But editing the bootcmd entry to read a larger kernel "nand read.e
0x32000000 kernel 0x300000;" then flashing the kernel and rootfs image as
usual. Unfortunately the time I took to do this seems to have run down the
freerunner's battery, and now android boots and immdeiately says "shutting
down" because of low power. It doesn't do it though.

I also can't seem to find my universal charger any more, dammit, so I'm not
quite sure what to do. Does the battery charge whilst in u-boot menu?
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From mail at 3v1n0.net  Thu Dec  4 01:23:48 2008
From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:23:48 +0100
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
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Gothnet wrote:
> But editing the bootcmd entry to read a larger kernel "nand read.e
> 0x32000000 kernel 0x300000;" then flashing the kernel and rootfs image as
> usual. Unfortunately the time I took to do this seems to have run down the
> freerunner's battery, and now android boots and immdeiately says "shutting
> down" because of low power. It doesn't do it though.

If you've used the stable-tracking kernel, maybe this is due to the
userspace /sys battery node changes. See on previous mail how to fix this.

-- 
Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux
http://www.3v1n0.net/




From ysakaed at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 01:29:18 2008
From: ysakaed at gmail.com (EH)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:29:18 +0800
Subject: U-boot flashing failed?
Message-ID: <33ef586d0812031629u5d620c3dl4c0a373e99d4f275@mail.gmail.com>

I have tried to flash the u-boot from the daily release.
After booting up in NOR, I have used the file
gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin, I am unable to boot up in NAND?
When I press power and then aux, the AUX start blinking in Red..

Have I done anything wrong?

Thanks



From kazer at altern.org  Wed Dec  3 22:48:40 2008
From: kazer at altern.org (KaZeR)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:48:40 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <85aed13c0812030818w1b685108g5aa6fc92b5af518@mail.gmail.com>
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Jakob a ?crit :
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Andy Green <andy at openmoko.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> "buzz / echo / hiss"... no software change can fix buzz.  It's baked
>> into the hardware and you will have to do fairly extreme meddling with
>> your soldering iron to impact it.
>>     
>
> Would it be better to wait until A7 is out and then buy a Freerunner?
> How hard is it to do the component change on a A6?
>
> Jake
>   

Since it's a harware bug, which impact the intended use of the device, 
will it be covered by the warranty?

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From kazer at altern.org  Wed Dec  3 22:53:35 2008
From: kazer at altern.org (KaZeR)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:53:35 +0100
Subject: Bounties?
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Ben Hussey a ?crit :
> This site looks like what we should start using.  I'd be willing to add 
> money to a bounty for several things - a good integrated media player, 
> decent volume control, wifi that 'just works', etc.
>   

Actually, there is already at least one common box around freerunner : 
http://cofundos.org/project.php?id=140



From rui.castro at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 04:38:53 2008
From: rui.castro at gmail.com (Rui Castro)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 03:38:53 +0000
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
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Hi,

My first impressions on this new image is that it isn't usable :)

My keyboard has some obvious problems, the letter/number/symbols keys
are too small and when dialog windows appear asking for text, like the
bluetooth pairing code, the keyboard is bellow the dialog and cannot
be clicked. I have to work on those issues.

I have been able to boot with kernels uImage-android and
uImage-tracking, but both are very unstable. The suspend/resume don't
work reliably in any of them. With uImage-tracking, the only one I
could get to work for some time, bluethooth works, gsm works
sometimes, wifi works but it doesn't detect my wireless network (WPA)
and it doesn't shutdown.

The workaround to boot the uImage-tracking kernel from uBoot (setenv
bootcmd setenv ... ; saveenv) works, but when I poweroff neo and try
to boot again it doesn't work anymore; I have to do the hack again.
Maybe I'm doing something stupid here. It's the first time I mess with
uBoot shell.

I tried to make a jffs2 image from koolu source code, but I had no
luck. I compiled the sources successfully with "make
PRODUCT_TARGET=freerunner", then I tried to create a jffs2 image
following a very simplistic and probably wrong approach:

1. Created a directory newandroidfs,
2. Extracted the contents of out/target/product/freerunner/ramdisk.img
to that directory, using file-roller,
3. copied the files under out/target/product/freerunner/system to /system,
4. created a symlink /etc to /system/etc and a directory /sdcard (like
I saw in Sean's image)
5. and created a jffs2 image with the contents of the directory
newandroidfs using the command "mkfs.jffs2 --pad=0x700000 -o
newandroidfs.jffs2 -e 0x20000 -n -dnewandroidfs/"

Outcome of all this, red light flashing!!! It's kernel panic, right? :(

If someone (have no ideia who :) ) did a simple tutorial about how to
produce the precious jffs2 image, that would make the testing of new
features a lot simpler.

Well, I'm sure we will have a working image to show off the new phone
on the weekend ;)

Rui

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:23 AM, "Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o)"
<mail at 3v1n0.net> wrote:
> Gothnet wrote:
>> But editing the bootcmd entry to read a larger kernel "nand read.e
>> 0x32000000 kernel 0x300000;" then flashing the kernel and rootfs image as
>> usual. Unfortunately the time I took to do this seems to have run down the
>> freerunner's battery, and now android boots and immdeiately says "shutting
>> down" because of low power. It doesn't do it though.
>
> If you've used the stable-tracking kernel, maybe this is due to the
> userspace /sys battery node changes. See on previous mail how to fix this.
>
> --
> Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux
> http://www.3v1n0.net/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mail at 3v1n0.net  Thu Dec  4 05:24:03 2008
From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:24:03 +0100
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
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References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com>
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Rui Castro wrote:
> The workaround to boot the uImage-tracking kernel from uBoot (setenv
> bootcmd setenv ... ; saveenv) works, but when I poweroff neo and try
> to boot again it doesn't work anymore; I have to do the hack again.
> Maybe I'm doing something stupid here. It's the first time I mess with
> uBoot shell.

Are you editing NOR or NAND uBoot? You have write access only to NAND...

> I tried to make a jffs2 image from koolu source code, but I had no
> luck. I compiled the sources successfully with "make
> PRODUCT_TARGET=freerunner", then I tried to create a jffs2 image
> following a very simplistic and probably wrong approach:
> 
> 1. Created a directory newandroidfs,
> 2. Extracted the contents of out/target/product/freerunner/ramdisk.img
> to that directory, using file-roller,
> 3. copied the files under out/target/product/freerunner/system to /system,
> 4. created a symlink /etc to /system/etc and a directory /sdcard (like
> I saw in Sean's image)
> 5. and created a jffs2 image with the contents of the directory
> newandroidfs using the command "mkfs.jffs2 --pad=0x700000 -o
> newandroidfs.jffs2 -e 0x20000 -n -dnewandroidfs/"
> 
> Outcome of all this, red light flashing!!! It's kernel panic, right? :(

It should be...
Btw another way for getting working images, I guess that should be using
the Sean's image as base and then putting there only the files you've
changed with your patches after a recompilation...
Would it work?

> If someone (have no ideia who :) ) did a simple tutorial about how to
> produce the precious jffs2 image, that would make the testing of new
> features a lot simpler.

I'm asking this too :P

> Well, I'm sure we will have a working image to show off the new phone
> on the weekend ;)

-- 
Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux
http://www.3v1n0.net/




From sean at mcneil.com  Thu Dec  4 05:24:37 2008
From: sean at mcneil.com (Sean McNeil)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:24:37 +0700
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <20081203192451.30e27bed@franky>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com>
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Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:12:59 +0700
> Sean McNeil <sean at mcneil.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> I'm uploading a new image right now that includes Ruis virtual
>> keyboard. Please give it 30 minutes or so to complete the upload.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>     
>
> Sean,
>
> which uImage should we take? uImage-android or uImage-tracking?

Good point. I've deleted uImage-tracking and made uImage-android the 
matching kernel based on andy-tracking.

Sean




From sean at mcneil.com  Thu Dec  4 05:28:28 2008
From: sean at mcneil.com (Sean McNeil)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:28:28 +0700
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <gh7m19$b6p$1@ger.gmane.org>
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Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote:
> Rui Castro wrote:
>   
>> The workaround to boot the uImage-tracking kernel from uBoot (setenv
>> bootcmd setenv ... ; saveenv) works, but when I poweroff neo and try
>> to boot again it doesn't work anymore; I have to do the hack again.
>> Maybe I'm doing something stupid here. It's the first time I mess with
>> uBoot shell.
>>     
>
> Are you editing NOR or NAND uBoot? You have write access only to NAND...
>
>   
>> I tried to make a jffs2 image from koolu source code, but I had no
>> luck. I compiled the sources successfully with "make
>> PRODUCT_TARGET=freerunner", then I tried to create a jffs2 image
>> following a very simplistic and probably wrong approach:
>>
>> 1. Created a directory newandroidfs,
>> 2. Extracted the contents of out/target/product/freerunner/ramdisk.img
>> to that directory, using file-roller,
>> 3. copied the files under out/target/product/freerunner/system to /system,
>> 4. created a symlink /etc to /system/etc and a directory /sdcard (like
>> I saw in Sean's image)
>> 5. and created a jffs2 image with the contents of the directory
>> newandroidfs using the command "mkfs.jffs2 --pad=0x700000 -o
>> newandroidfs.jffs2 -e 0x20000 -n -dnewandroidfs/"
>>
>> Outcome of all this, red light flashing!!! It's kernel panic, right? :(
>>     
>
> It should be...
> Btw another way for getting working images, I guess that should be using
> the Sean's image as base and then putting there only the files you've
> changed with your patches after a recompilation...
> Would it work?
>
>   
>> If someone (have no ideia who :) ) did a simple tutorial about how to
>> produce the precious jffs2 image, that would make the testing of new
>> features a lot simpler.
>>     
>
> I'm asking this too :P
>   

I use a script to copy out of the opensource build into my NFS mounted 
area. Once there, I use another script to create the jffs2 image. You'll 
probably need to modify them to your environment.

Sean

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From sean at mcneil.com  Thu Dec  4 05:35:57 2008
From: sean at mcneil.com (Sean McNeil)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:35:57 +0700
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
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Can you send me the output of

ADBHOST=neo ./adb logcat -b radio

?

Riccardo Centra wrote:
> Sean with the lastest image the gsm doesn't work :(
>
> 2008/12/3 Sean McNeil <sean at mcneil.com <mailto:sean at mcneil.com>>
>
>     Gothnet wrote:
>     >
>     > Warren Baird wrote:
>     >
>     >> I agree Android looks like it has a lot of promise - but if you
>     want a
>     >> functioning phone today - I'd suggest trying out QtExtended
>     4.4.2 - it
>     >> doesn't give you much more than basic phone functionality, but
>     I've been
>     >> using it as my day-to-day phone for a month now, and am
>     generally pretty
>     >> happy with it...
>     >>
>     >> Warren
>     >>
>     >>
>     >
>     > Qtopia is one of the two things I didn't try, SHR being the
>     other. I gave up
>     > on the rest because of the unresponsive interfaces, poor battery
>     life,
>     > terrible remote echo (tried everything I could find), refusal to
>     wake up in
>     > a timely fashion on incoming calls etc. I was also discouraged
>     by the
>     > prominence of "we should work on stuff for GTA03" comments on
>     the lists.
>     >
>     > I now have a cheap sony-ericsson for the sake of my sanity, so
>     I'll wait
>     > until android or other distro can provide a bit more than basic
>     phone
>     > functions, or at least do it better than what I have. Android
>     looks like it
>     > could be the quickest route to solving most of the issues and
>     the echo was
>     > gone straight away. i know I ought to get off my a*se and help,
>     but after
>     > the dayjob I don't have much appetite for coding and debugging
>     right now.
>     >
>
>     I'm uploading a new image right now that includes Ruis virtual
>     keyboard.
>     Please give it 30 minutes or so to complete the upload.
>
>     Sean
>
>
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From sean at mcneil.com  Thu Dec  4 05:39:12 2008
From: sean at mcneil.com (Sean McNeil)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:39:12 +0700
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
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There is a known issue with Wifi and the wpa_supplicant in Android. I'm 
trying to track down why it won't scan properly.

wp wrote:
> Hi
> Thanks for providing an image.
> Few words from me:
> I'm able to make calls, but it's rather hard to hear other person in a
> speaker (he does hear me very well, no echo issue).
> After receiving a message (yep, it works) I lost contact with my gsm
> network, so I can't answer. Reboots did not work, i'm reflashing right
> now.
> Couldn't find my wifi network, but it maybe my router's issue.
> Resume from a suspend does not work.
> Browser and few apps too, but it's not high prioritaire right now, I think ;)
> Everything beside that - is great! Thanks and waiting for more ;)
>
> ps. After reflashing, I still don't have a gsm connection. After
> reinserting sim, I've got a connection and lost it again. Some
> problems here..
>
> _______________________________________________
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>   




From rdmyers at mtpalomar.net  Thu Dec  4 06:15:53 2008
From: rdmyers at mtpalomar.net (Rodney Myers)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:15:53 -0800
Subject: working SIM install, network problems
Message-ID: <CE5CC67A-BF95-40CD-9B8D-205F826B3F62@mtpalomar.net>

Sorry if this is a duplicate. I never saw it returned on the mail llsi


Debian stable, and neorunner

I have a semi-functioning Neo right now, thanks to the Hackable:1  
folkes (http://www.hackable1.org/)

I have changed all instances, that I find, from 192.168.0.* to  
192.168.1.*, for my lan.

I've followed this wiki page for networking debian;

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others

also changing the 192.168.0.* address'.

even though I have the Neo & debian machines configured.

not sure what log files would be helpful, but it the output from the  
debian /var/log/syslog;

Dec  3 14:00:34 riverside kernel: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device  
using uhci_hcd and address 13
Dec  3 14:00:35 riverside kernel: usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen  
from 2 choices
Dec  3 14:00:35 riverside kernel: usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at  
usb-0000:00:10.1-2, CDC Ethernet Device, 8e:0b:55:07:0b:6c
Dec  3 14:00:35 riverside NetworkManager: <debug  
info>^I[1228341635.150394] nm_hal_device_added (): New device added  
(hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/ 
usb_device_1457_5122_noserial').
Dec  3 14:00:35 riverside NetworkManager: <debug  
info>^I[1228341635.151091] nm_hal_device_added (): New device added  
(hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/ 
usb_device_1457_5122_noserial_if1').
Dec  3 14:00:35 riverside NetworkManager: <debug  
info>^I[1228341635.244100] nm_hal_device_added (): New device added  
(hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/ 
usb_device_1457_5122_noserial_if0').
Dec  3 14:00:35 riverside NetworkManager: <debug  
info>^I[1228341635.291089] nm_hal_device_added (): New device added  
(hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_8e_0b_55_07_0b_6c').
Dec  3 14:00:35 riverside NetworkManager: <debug  
info>^I[1228341635.310031] nm_hal_device_added (): New device added  
(hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/ 
usb_device_1457_5122_noserial_usbraw').
Dec  3 14:00:35 riverside avahi-daemon[2868]: New relevant interface  
usb0.IPv4 for mDNS.
Dec  3 14:00:35 riverside avahi-daemon[2868]: Joining mDNS multicast  
group on interface usb0.IPv4 with address 192.168.1.200.
Dec  3 14:00:35 riverside avahi-daemon[2868]: Registering new address  
record for 192.168.1.200 on usb0.
Dec  3 14:00:45 riverside kernel: usb0: no IPv6 routers present

any help would be greatly appreciated.

thank you
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From john_lee at openmoko.com  Thu Dec  4 07:13:32 2008
From: john_lee at openmoko.com (John Lee)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:13:32 +0800
Subject: [latest 2008.9] USB issues?
In-Reply-To: <3494db260812020934l17c1458dxa1fdefd177d5678a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db260812020934l17c1458dxa1fdefd177d5678a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081204061332.GN4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>

On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 06:34:09PM +0100, Tony Berth wrote:
> Dear list,
> 
> I just installed the latest 2008.9 kernel and jffs2 and when I connect to a
> debian 4 box it doesn't get listed as a USB device. As a result, I can't
> establish USB networking. Am I doing something wrong here?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tony

opkg will execute the postinst script during first boot, so modules
won't work properly until 2nd boot.

https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2096


- John



From john_lee at openmoko.com  Thu Dec  4 07:37:01 2008
From: john_lee at openmoko.com (John Lee)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:37:01 +0800
Subject: [OM2008.x] praise for the new testing image
In-Reply-To: <1228322213905-1609603.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<1228302029.6451.33.camel@rattus>
	<20081203115329.12514e3yu8sza6nt@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<1228306932.6451.42.camel@rattus>
	<20081203122845.14434nz4l61rhd31@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<20081203161837.37645ct4dhtzvntp@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<1228322213905-1609603.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <20081204063701.GO4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>

On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 08:36:53AM -0800, Martin Benz wrote:
> 
> Read the bugreport:
> 
> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1767
> 
> So we have a slow illume-theme with rasters keyboard or a fast asu-theme
> without an usable keyboard (especially for non-engish users)... 
> 
> Maybe i'll try to hack the edj-file, did manage to get the qwerty-menu back
> in the wrench, but messing around with the keyboard only gave me errors when
> running build.sh...
> 
> (See Method 2 from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Toggle)
> 
> cheers
> Martin

actually it's quite easy to bring back the wrench and the qwerty
buttons in asu theme.  it's not the real issue though.

wrench:  it's a gadget to put on the illume 'shelf'.  so just add it
back into the config then it will show up.  something like this
(haven't tested):

Index: illume-theme-asu/config/e.src
===================================================================
--- illume-theme-asu/config/e.src	(revision 4796)
+++ illume-theme-asu/config/e.src	(working copy)
@@ -428,6 +428,24 @@
           value "resizable" uchar: 0;
         }
       }
+      group "clients" list {
+        group "E_Config_Gadcon_Client" struct {
+          value "name" string: "configuration";
+          value "id" string: "configuration";
+          value "geom.pos" int: 0;
+          value "geom.size" int: 32;
+          value "geom.res" int: 472;
+          value "geom.pos_x" double: 0.0000000000000000000000000;
+          value "geom.pos_y" double: 0.0000000000000000000000000;
+          value "geom.size_w" double: 0.0000000000000000000000000;
+          value "geom.size_h" double: 0.0000000000000000000000000;
+          value "state_info.seq" int: 1;
+          value "state_info.flags" int: 1;
+          value "style" string: "plain";
+          value "autoscroll" uchar: 0;
+          value "resizable" uchar: 0;
+        }
+      }
     }
   }
   value "font_hinting" int: 0;

qwerty:  enable it in the theme.

Index: illume-theme-asu/misc-data/asu/freerunner.edc
===================================================================
--- illume-theme-asu/misc-data/asu/freerunner.edc	(revision 4796)
+++ illume-theme-asu/misc-data/asu/freerunner.edc	(working copy)
@@ -1575,8 +1575,8 @@
 	    type: RECT;
 	    mouse_events: 1;
 	    description { state: "default" 0.0;
-//	       visible: 1;
-	       visible: 0; // sean wants it gone. don't look at me.
+	       visible: 1;
+//	       visible: 0; // sean wants it gone. don't look at me.
 	       color: 0 0 0 0;
                rel1 {
 		  to_y: "e.swallow.content";
@@ -1585,8 +1585,8 @@
 	       rel2 {
 		  to_x: "kbdtext";
 		  to_y: "e.swallow.content";
-//		  relative: 1.0 1.0;
-		  relative: 0.0 1.0; // sean wants it gone. don't look at me.
+		  relative: 1.0 1.0;
+//		  relative: 0.0 1.0; // sean wants it gone. don't look at me.
 		  offset: -1 -1;
 	       }
 	    }
@@ -1595,8 +1595,8 @@
 	    type: TEXT;
 	    mouse_events: 0;
             description { state: "default" 0.0;
-//	       visible: 1;
-	       visible: 0; // sean wants it gone. don't look at me.
+	       visible: 1;
+//	       visible: 0; // sean wants it gone. don't look at me.
 	       align: 0.0 1.0;
 	       fixed: 1 1;
 	       rel1 {


the real problem is, after you click on the wrench, it will show the
config menu, but click on any one of them will give you black screen.
probably black fonts on black background.  I hope someone can find out
what went wrong because I don't have time to work on it.


- John

> Vasco N?voa wrote:
> > 
> > I've been trying the "illume" (gray) theme with the testing image, and  
> > it is badly broken - Enlightenment keeps crashing at random moments  
> > for reasons unknown.
> > I gave up on trying to have illume's keyboard, and reverted to the  
> > original "asu" (black) theme. The qtopian keyboard sucks, but at least  
> > everything else rocks.
> > 
> > I find it very strange that the whole image works so solidly with the  
> > "asu" theme and is so flakey with the "illume" theme...
> > 
> > 
> > Citando Vasco N?voa <vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt>:
> > 
> >>
> >> Citando William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:
> >>> And also yes, I have modified 89qtopia - but it doesn't seem to have
> >>> much of an effect :(
> >> I found out how my illume keyboard went missing. From the wiki:
> >> edit '/etc/enlightenment/default_profile' to use illume theme  
> >> instead of 'asu'
> >> So, if you just want to get rid of it, replace illume with asu inside
> >> /etc/enlightenment/default_profile ...
> >> But if you want to keep it exclusively for the terminal, I don't know
> >> how...



From vollseil at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 09:10:21 2008
From: vollseil at gmail.com (Michael Kluge)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:10:21 +0100
Subject: Bounties?
In-Reply-To: <7c9d57ea0812022122i7a10cbfeofc22e790f6ac90ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c9d57ea0812022122i7a10cbfeofc22e790f6ac90ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4937906D.5060707@gmail.com>

I'd pay ~50 for a thing like Agendus on Palm OS.

http://www.iambic.com/agendus/palmos/

That can sync to Evolution (at least Calendar and Contacts) and has good 
mail app. QT mail is not usable, clawsmail is a lot better but not 
optimized for a small screen.


Michael

Sargun Dhillon schrieb:
> Just out of curiosity, how many OpenMoko users out there would be
> willing to pay for bounties? Additionally, how many developers would
> work for bounties? What sort of bounties would you guys request? How
> much would you pay?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community




From mail at 3v1n0.net  Thu Dec  4 09:19:06 2008
From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:19:06 +0100
Subject: [OM2008.x] praise for the new testing image
In-Reply-To: <op.ullrmax6j0u8pj@vadim>
References: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>	<20081203115806.1272344klrgwv6tq@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<op.ullrmax6j0u8pj@vadim>
Message-ID: <gh83pp$9cj$1@ger.gmane.org>

Vadim, Efimov wrote:
>> Another 2 positive points I forgot to mention:
>> - the UCSD messages are now correctly displayed (yay, I can see my
>> account balance!!)
> how? i "call" *102# and dialer just disappear...

I figure that actually only the ones sent by operator (with no an
explicit request, i.e. after a call) are working.
There's an issue while placing an USSD request...

-- 
Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux
http://www.3v1n0.net/




From lists at vandenieuwenhof.nl  Thu Dec  4 09:52:48 2008
From: lists at vandenieuwenhof.nl (Jeroen van de Nieuwenhof)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:52:48 +0100
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <49375B85.10402@mcneil.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com>	<49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com>	<20081203192451.30e27bed@franky>
	<49375B85.10402@mcneil.com>
Message-ID: <49379A60.5010501@vandenieuwenhof.nl>

Sean McNeil wrote:
> Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
>> On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:12:59 +0700
>> Sean McNeil <sean at mcneil.com> wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> I'm uploading a new image right now that includes Ruis virtual
>>> keyboard. Please give it 30 minutes or so to complete the upload.
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>>>     
>> Sean,
>>
>> which uImage should we take? uImage-android or uImage-tracking?
> 
> Good point. I've deleted uImage-tracking and made uImage-android the 
> matching kernel based on andy-tracking.
> 
> Sean
> 

Here the kernel you provide doesn't boot at all. In used the 
uImage-Android kernel, but get the following error on boot: ERROR: Can't 
get kernel image (when booting from the NAND-menu). Otherwise i just get 
a screen with 'Openmoko'on it, nothing else.

Jeroen



From djdas at djdas.net  Thu Dec  4 10:24:11 2008
From: djdas at djdas.net (DJDAS)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:24:11 +0100
Subject: Funding Global Domination
In-Reply-To: <49371D01.7080101@gmail.com>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>	<op.ulk14r0j41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>	<200812031838.05799.haduong@centre-cired.fr>
	<49371D01.7080101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4937A1BB.9090307@djdas.net>

Arigead ha scritto:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Minh Ha Duong wrote:
>   
>> Le mercredi 03 d?cembre 2008, arne anka a ?crit :
>>     
>>>>> The second option is more like it. It takes a few hours to design a
>>>>> T-Shirt
>>>>> and upload it to an online store where everybody else can go and buy
>>>>> it. So
>>>>> just do it: the entry costs are so low that there is no real need for a
>>>>> formal market study !
>>>>>           
>>>
>> Rui: There are lots of cool artwork under a Cc: license on the wiki including 
>> the hardware schematics and 

What about making a T-shirt with the hardware schematics? ;)







From andy at openmoko.com  Thu Dec  4 10:28:52 2008
From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:28:52 +0000
Subject: U-boot flashing failed?
In-Reply-To: <33ef586d0812031629u5d620c3dl4c0a373e99d4f275@mail.gmail.com>
References: <33ef586d0812031629u5d620c3dl4c0a373e99d4f275@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4937A2D4.8030401@openmoko.com>

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| I have tried to flash the u-boot from the daily release.
| After booting up in NOR, I have used the file
| gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin, I am unable to boot up in NAND?
| When I press power and then aux, the AUX start blinking in Red..
|
| Have I done anything wrong?

If it's blinking about 4 times a second, it's a kernel panic.  So it
suggests that you got into Linux but some problem killed you subsequently.

If it blinks slower, this is a relatively recent U-Boot thing where it
acts this way if it comes to believe your battery is low, it kind of
stops there for a while trying to charge it up.

- -Andy
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From maelvon.hawk at laposte.net  Thu Dec  4 10:39:02 2008
From: maelvon.hawk at laposte.net (Maelvon HAWK)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:39:02 +0100
Subject: U-boot flashing failed?
In-Reply-To: <33ef586d0812031629u5d620c3dl4c0a373e99d4f275@mail.gmail.com>
References: <33ef586d0812031629u5d620c3dl4c0a373e99d4f275@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4937A536.9070704@laposte.net>

EH a ?crit :
> I have tried to flash the u-boot from the daily release.
> After booting up in NOR, I have used the file
> gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin, I am unable to boot up in NAND?
> When I press power and then aux, the AUX start blinking in Red..
> 
> Have I done anything wrong?

It boot in NOR ?

Low battery ?

Wait a little, a few times after it boot normaly, if it was the low 
battery case.

Maelvon




From andy at openmoko.com  Thu Dec  4 10:39:45 2008
From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:39:45 +0000
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <49375B85.10402@mcneil.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com>	<49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com>	<20081203192451.30e27bed@franky>
	<49375B85.10402@mcneil.com>
Message-ID: <4937A561.90606@openmoko.com>

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
|> On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:12:59 +0700
|> Sean McNeil <sean at mcneil.com> wrote:
|>
|>
|>> I'm uploading a new image right now that includes Ruis virtual
|>> keyboard. Please give it 30 minutes or so to complete the upload.
|>>
|>> Sean
|>>
|>>
|> Sean,
|>
|> which uImage should we take? uImage-android or uImage-tracking?
|
| Good point. I've deleted uImage-tracking and made uImage-android the
| matching kernel based on andy-tracking.

I really hope we can capture the diff between this and andy-tracking
into andy-tracking directly.  It's fair enough if it contains
in-progress patches I guess but we need to keep zero diff as often as
possible.

- -Andy
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From xavier.bestel at free.fr  Thu Dec  4 10:53:03 2008
From: xavier.bestel at free.fr (Xavier Bestel)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:53:03 +0100
Subject: andy-tracking kernel?
In-Reply-To: <4936B574.7060402@openmoko.com>
References: <1228318238.2815.664.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4936B574.7060402@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <1228384383.19582.103.camel@skunk>

Hi Andy,

On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 16:36 +0000, Andy Green wrote:
> ~ - WLAN driver now uses mainline SDIO stack (should fix some probs)

Does that mean WiFi is working now ?

Thanks,
	Xav





From andy at openmoko.com  Thu Dec  4 10:55:30 2008
From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:55:30 +0000
Subject: andy-tracking kernel?
In-Reply-To: <1228384383.19582.103.camel@skunk>
References: <1228318238.2815.664.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<4936B574.7060402@openmoko.com>
	<1228384383.19582.103.camel@skunk>
Message-ID: <4937A912.1010501@openmoko.com>

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Hi Andy,
|
| On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 16:36 +0000, Andy Green wrote:
|> ~ - WLAN driver now uses mainline SDIO stack (should fix some probs)
|
| Does that mean WiFi is working now ?

Wifi has been working (for some values of working) for a long while...
what bad behaviour does "not working" look like for you?

- -Andy
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From manda.mgf at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 11:03:42 2008
From: manda.mgf at gmail.com (Martino)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:03:42 +0100
Subject: Gsm problem
In-Reply-To: <27610ea60812020726g347cfc8dj5003b71e63e52b28@mail.gmail.com>
References: <27610ea60812020712q756f23cfye8d7d59106b675fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<c90e120b0812020720t7352d7baldafe82ebd54e6813@mail.gmail.com>
	<27610ea60812020726g347cfc8dj5003b71e63e52b28@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27610ea60812040203h57544ef3s59b81a3a8bf40cb7@mail.gmail.com>

Ok yesterday after some test (for understand if the update of the gsm
is ok!) and the gsm start ! After the reboot I see it dosen't work
again.. :(

I saw 3 strange events:
At the boot before the boots I see 2 error:
The message of setting time stop the boot for some time (4-5 seconds)
after this message I recive some error: crcfail=0x1a33 (I thinks is
too fast!) and other message that I can't read..
At the finish of the booting the gsm dosen't work and the time is wrong!!!

Why?? Some help?

Thanks!!

> Yes I finish it.. But now I can't use my old 64 k sim.. :(
>
> 2008/12/2 C?dric DUFOUIL <cedric.dufouil at gmail.com>:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Did you get this when you complete the flash ?
>> (fluid, version 3) ok
>> Checksumming (269 * 8kB = 2152kB):  ok
>> Flash Detect: (0xEC, 0x22A0) Samsung K5A3240CT ok
>> Program: (34 sectors, 267*8k=2136k) (*******************) ok
>>
>>
>> If yes, it mens that the flash is OK. Maybe the new firmware doesn't
>> solve the compatibility with your SIM
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Martino <manda.mgf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi, I have a om freerunner with om 2008.9 and a sim 128k (vodafone it)
>>> and it doesn't work.. I tried to flash the gsm firmware and I finished
>>> the procedure like the wiki says but it don't work.. Could I have make
>>> a mistake? Where? How to check the gsm?
>>>
>>> Thanks and sorry for my bad english..
>>>
>>>
>>> Martino
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Openmoko community mailing list
>>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Martino
>



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From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Thu Dec  4 11:04:58 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:04:58 +0100
Subject: working SIM install, network problems
In-Reply-To: <CE5CC67A-BF95-40CD-9B8D-205F826B3F62@mtpalomar.net>
References: <CE5CC67A-BF95-40CD-9B8D-205F826B3F62@mtpalomar.net>
Message-ID: <op.ulmuakrh41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

> any help would be greatly appreciated.

well, it would be _really_ helpful, if you could specify what your problem  
is and how it manifests itself.




From manda.mgf at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 11:18:50 2008
From: manda.mgf at gmail.com (Martino)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:18:50 +0100
Subject: Gsm problem
In-Reply-To: <27610ea60812040203h57544ef3s59b81a3a8bf40cb7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <27610ea60812020712q756f23cfye8d7d59106b675fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<c90e120b0812020720t7352d7baldafe82ebd54e6813@mail.gmail.com>
	<27610ea60812020726g347cfc8dj5003b71e63e52b28@mail.gmail.com>
	<27610ea60812040203h57544ef3s59b81a3a8bf40cb7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27610ea60812040218r600034e4u29403668ea5854a6@mail.gmail.com>

I found the boot message in dmesg..

[3.930000] pcf50633 0-0073: setting system clock to 2000-02-01 00:00:40 UTC
 (949363240)
 ##AFTER SOME SECONDS
[   41.955000] CRCFAIL 0x1a3f
[   42.360000] CRCFAIL 0x1a3f
[   42.375000] CRCFAIL 0x1a3f
[   42.485000] sdio_wlan 00:01: driver attached
[   42.490000] sdio_wlan 00:01: SDIO device, IDs SD_0001 (active)
[   43.570000] BMI Get Target Info: Exit (ver: 0x20000059 type: 0x1)
[   43.640000] SDIO_INT_CTRL enable IRQ
[   43.655000] AR6000 Reg Code = 0x40000060
[   47.210000] VFS: Mounted root (jffs2 filesystem).
[   47.220000] Freeing init memory: 128K
[   48.265000] PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcs1
[   48.275000] PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcsa1
[   48.285000] PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcs1
[   48.290000] PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcsa1
[   48.415000] PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcs1
[   48.420000] PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcsa1
[   48.430000] PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcs1
[   48.435000] PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcsa1
[   48.495000] PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcs1
[   48.505000] PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcsa1


2008/12/4 Martino <manda.mgf at gmail.com>:
> Ok yesterday after some test (for understand if the update of the gsm
> is ok!) and the gsm start ! After the reboot I see it dosen't work
> again.. :(
>
> I saw 3 strange events:
> At the boot before the boots I see 2 error:
> The message of setting time stop the boot for some time (4-5 seconds)
> after this message I recive some error: crcfail=0x1a33 (I thinks is
> too fast!) and other message that I can't read..
> At the finish of the booting the gsm dosen't work and the time is wrong!!!
>
> Why?? Some help?
>
> Thanks!!
>
>> Yes I finish it.. But now I can't use my old 64 k sim.. :(
>>
>> 2008/12/2 C?dric DUFOUIL <cedric.dufouil at gmail.com>:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Did you get this when you complete the flash ?
>>> (fluid, version 3) ok
>>> Checksumming (269 * 8kB = 2152kB):  ok
>>> Flash Detect: (0xEC, 0x22A0) Samsung K5A3240CT ok
>>> Program: (34 sectors, 267*8k=2136k) (*******************) ok
>>>
>>>
>>> If yes, it mens that the flash is OK. Maybe the new firmware doesn't
>>> solve the compatibility with your SIM
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Martino <manda.mgf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi, I have a om freerunner with om 2008.9 and a sim 128k (vodafone it)
>>>> and it doesn't work.. I tried to flash the gsm firmware and I finished
>>>> the procedure like the wiki says but it don't work.. Could I have make
>>>> a mistake? Where? How to check the gsm?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and sorry for my bad english..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Martino
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Openmoko community mailing list
>>>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Openmoko community mailing list
>>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Martino
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Martino
>



-- 
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From pino.otto at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 11:38:09 2008
From: pino.otto at gmail.com (Giovanni)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:38:09 +0100
Subject: Funding Global Domination
In-Reply-To: <4937A1BB.9090307@djdas.net>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>
	<op.ulk14r0j41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<200812031838.05799.haduong@centre-cired.fr>
	<49371D01.7080101@gmail.com> <4937A1BB.9090307@djdas.net>
Message-ID: <fe72b0050812040238v675d2eer488059b4bebef321@mail.gmail.com>

wow

great idea!


On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:24 AM, DJDAS <djdas at djdas.net> wrote:

> Arigead ha scritto:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > Minh Ha Duong wrote:
> >
> >> Le mercredi 03 d?cembre 2008, arne anka a ?crit :
> >>
> >>>>> The second option is more like it. It takes a few hours to design a
> >>>>> T-Shirt
> >>>>> and upload it to an online store where everybody else can go and buy
> >>>>> it. So
> >>>>> just do it: the entry costs are so low that there is no real need for
> a
> >>>>> formal market study !
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >> Rui: There are lots of cool artwork under a Cc: license on the wiki
> including
> >> the hardware schematics and
>
> What about making a T-shirt with the hardware schematics? ;)
>
>
>
>
>
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From openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net  Thu Dec  4 12:09:29 2008
From: openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net (Gothnet)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 03:09:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <ca542f150812031938w204a7175gc209034c71c9f39@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com> <49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>
	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com> <20081203192451.30e27bed@franky>
	<1228349444947-1611381.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<gh77uk$8pb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<ca542f150812031938w204a7175gc209034c71c9f39@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228388969732-1613093.post@n2.nabble.com>


Got the thing booting, finally, by using my universal charger. I guess the
problem now is that when it gets too low it'll just shut itself down, even
with the charger attached.

I'm running uImage-tracking and the rootfs with the keyboard now.


Rui Castro wrote:
> 
> 
> My keyboard has some obvious problems, the letter/number/symbols keys
> are too small 
> 
> 

If you have fingernails the buttons just about work, could definitely be
wider though.



Rui Castro wrote:
> 
> 
> I have been able to boot with kernels uImage-android and
> uImage-tracking, but both are very unstable. The suspend/resume don't
> work reliably in any of them. With uImage-tracking, the only one I
> could get to work for some time, bluethooth works, gsm works
> sometimes, wifi works but it doesn't detect my wireless network (WPA)
> and it doesn't shutdown.
> 
> 

I noticed the same stuff, and in addition to this the UI seems less
responsive than it was in previous releases. The smoothness of bringing up
the app menu is just not quite as good as before, which is a shame. The
suspend/resume is better than last time around, and any keyboard is a good
start, but we're not quite there yet. OTOH, it seems to be a matter of
glueing the firmware to the hardware successfully, rather than fundamental
problems.


Rui Castro wrote:
> 
> 
> The workaround to boot the uImage-tracking kernel from uBoot (setenv
> bootcmd setenv ... ; saveenv) works, but when I poweroff neo and try
> to boot again it doesn't work anymore; I have to do the hack again.
> Maybe I'm doing something stupid here. It's the first time I mess with
> uBoot shell.
> 
> 

I did things the long way round, downloading the uboot env with dfu-util,
editing it and then re-uploading (see previous post on what to do with
borked uboot env).

Mostly did this because neither of my debian systems at home wanted to bring
up any /dev/ttyACM  or /dev/ttyUSB or whatever interfaces and I couldn't
access the shell. Have booted this way several times, so you may want to
give it a try.


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From xavier.bestel at free.fr  Thu Dec  4 12:20:12 2008
From: xavier.bestel at free.fr (Xavier Bestel)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:20:12 +0100
Subject: andy-tracking kernel?
In-Reply-To: <4937A912.1010501@openmoko.com>
References: <1228318238.2815.664.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4936B574.7060402@openmoko.com> <1228384383.19582.103.camel@skunk>
	<4937A912.1010501@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <1228389612.19582.119.camel@skunk>

On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 09:55 +0000, Andy Green wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> | Hi Andy,
> |
> | On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 16:36 +0000, Andy Green wrote:
> |> ~ - WLAN driver now uses mainline SDIO stack (should fix some probs)
> |
> | Does that mean WiFi is working now ?
> 
> Wifi has been working (for some values of working) for a long while...
> what bad behaviour does "not working" look like for you?

Well, if you ask for it:
- can only connect through command-line (not that important)
- weak signal
- connexion lasts only for a few minutes
- after connexion is lost, reconnecting nearly always involves rebooting

I think I already sent the kernel messages that appear in that case
somewhere. I must confess that, as I wanted to use my Neo as a sort of
internet tablet, it now just gathers dust somewhere, waiting for a WiFi
fix.

HTH,
	Xav





From haduong at centre-cired.fr  Thu Dec  4 12:23:47 2008
From: haduong at centre-cired.fr (Minh Ha Duong)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:23:47 +0100
Subject: Funding Global Domination
In-Reply-To: <49371D01.7080101@gmail.com>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812031838.05799.haduong@centre-cired.fr>
	<49371D01.7080101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812041223.47139.haduong@centre-cired.fr>

>     as Arne correctly spotted I was only interested in helping fund
> global domination, which does not come for free. I can design my own T
> Shirt and have it made but benefit to OM = Zero. Not interested in this
> at all. If OM have made it clear they are not into derived products then
> that answers the question I asked and the subject is closed.

Still, if someone makes fan-art T-shirts design and post it at lafraise.com or 
elsewhere, I am interested.

Minh



From hiretto at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 12:26:55 2008
From: hiretto at gmail.com (Hire)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 03:26:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
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References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com> <49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>
	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com> <20081203192451.30e27bed@franky>
	<1228349444947-1611381.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<gh77uk$8pb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<ca542f150812031938w204a7175gc209034c71c9f39@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228388969732-1613093.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Someone can explain me how I can edit the uboot env? Because I did it:

bootcmd=
  setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} ${mtdparts};
  nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel 0x300000;
  bootm 0x32000000

But it doesn't boot. It does the same issue: can't find an image kernel.

I have edited only the environment.in and not env.in 
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From openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net  Thu Dec  4 12:34:11 2008
From: openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net (Gothnet)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 03:34:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <1228390015218-1613157.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com> <49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>
	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com> <20081203192451.30e27bed@franky>
	<1228349444947-1611381.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<gh77uk$8pb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<ca542f150812031938w204a7175gc209034c71c9f39@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228388969732-1613093.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1228390015218-1613157.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1228390451091-1613173.post@n2.nabble.com>




Hire wrote:
> 
> Someone can explain me how I can edit the uboot env? Because I did it:
> 
> bootcmd=
>   setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} ${mtdparts};
>   nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel 0x300000;
>   bootm 0x32000000
> 
> But it doesn't boot. It does the same issue: can't find an image kernel.
> 
> I have edited only the environment.in and not env.in 
> 

Oh - that's what I did, in NAND uboot, download the env using dfu-util, grab
the "devirginator" toolset and environment.in, change that single character
in environment.in from a 2 to a 3 in the bootcmd section, run the
environment generator and then upload the new env.out file.

Then I re-uploaded the kernel and rootfs using dfu-util and it worked
fine..... That's all the help I can be.




I've also discovered a new feature in the image since my last post. Plugging
it into my windows box to charge makes the box bluescreen. Not only when
booted, but if it's plugged in then the OS bluescreens differently during
startup. Yay!
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From andy at openmoko.com  Thu Dec  4 12:38:44 2008
From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:38:44 +0000
Subject: andy-tracking kernel?
In-Reply-To: <1228389612.19582.119.camel@skunk>
References: <1228318238.2815.664.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<4936B574.7060402@openmoko.com>
	<1228384383.19582.103.camel@skunk>	<4937A912.1010501@openmoko.com>
	<1228389612.19582.119.camel@skunk>
Message-ID: <4937C144.1040607@openmoko.com>

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

|> Wifi has been working (for some values of working) for a long while...
|> what bad behaviour does "not working" look like for you?
|
| Well, if you ask for it:
| - can only connect through command-line (not that important)

Sean McNeil is targeting getting the Android UI for that working at any
rate.

| - weak signal

Weak transmission or RX or both?

| - connexion lasts only for a few minutes

Hum.

| - after connexion is lost, reconnecting nearly always involves rebooting

Well, if this is due to SDIO side errors, this situation can have been
improved in andy-tracking.  If it's due to firmware trouble, probably
this will never be fixed due to Atheros closed firmware policies.

| I think I already sent the kernel messages that appear in that case
| somewhere. I must confess that, as I wanted to use my Neo as a sort of
| internet tablet, it now just gathers dust somewhere, waiting for a WiFi
| fix.

Changing the SDIO stack is enough of a jolt it's probably worth blowing
the dust off and having another go according to your optimism / schedule
:-)  At any rate if you do this please post on kernel list about your
experiences.

- -Andy
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From kazer at altern.org  Thu Dec  4 12:52:02 2008
From: kazer at altern.org (KaZeR)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 03:52:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <1228390451091-1613173.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com> <49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>
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Gothnet wrote:
> 
> I've also discovered a new feature in the image since my last post.
> Plugging it into my windows box to charge makes the box bluescreen. Not
> only when booted, but if it's plugged in then the OS bluescreens
> differently during startup. Yay!
> 

Feature? :)

I have the exact same issue. But if i plug it into a collegue's box who
hasn't the usb driver, it doesn't crash.

The major issue i encounter right now is that the gsm doesn't register.. It
worked 12 hours ago with another kernel (i was able to make a call without
echo, and acceptable sound quality (level a bit too low)).
Right now i'm using uImage-android downloaded one hour ago.

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From claregj at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 12:57:12 2008
From: claregj at gmail.com (clare johnstone)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:57:12 +0900
Subject: working SIM install, network problems
In-Reply-To: <4AA9B942-E268-402F-A08A-67380C4939F2@mtpalomar.net>
References: <4AA9B942-E268-402F-A08A-67380C4939F2@mtpalomar.net>
Message-ID: <8e354bdf0812040357q5a1fd8c2o272ad5e8ab1e1cfa@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Rodney Myers <rdmyers at mtpalomar.net> wrote:
> Debian stable, and neorunner
>
> I have a semi-functioning Neo right now, thanks to the Hackable:1 folkes
> (http://www.hackable1.org/)
>
> I have changed all instances, that I find, from 192.168.0.* to 192.168.1.*,
> for my lan.
>
> I've followed this wiki page for networking debian;
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others
>
> also changing the 192.168.0.* address'.
>

Hello Rodney,
I really hesitate to say anything, being overcome with admiration of
anyone who can follow that
wiki page that you quote.  It looks far too complex for normal humans
and far too automated
for someone who is just starting. If you dont agree with that  then
best to ignore what I have to say.

I have tried many images. One of the first things that becomes obvious
is that attempts to change
the mind of the Neo to use other than the network 192.168.0 will lead
to serious frustration.
So I accept that. My home network is equally  determined to be 192.168.2

When I want to comunicate from my PC to the Neo via the USB, I join
them with the USB cable
and on the PC run this little script ( as root)

#!/bin/sh
/sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
/sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0


Then I run this one
#!/bin/sh
/bin/echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
iptables -F
iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0  -d 192.168.0.200   -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.0.200  -i eth+  -d 192.168.0.202  -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.2.0/24  -i eth+  -d 192.168.0.202  -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.2.0/24  -i eth+  -d 192.168.2.0/24  -j ACCEPT

iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0 -d 192.168.2.0/24 -o eth+
  -j ACCEPT
iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.2.0/24 -i eth+ -d 192.168.0.202 -o usb0
 -j ACCEPT

iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.2.0/24 -o eth+   -j ACCEPT
iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.0.202 -o usb0  -j ACCEPT
iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24

At this stage I can  do
ssh root at 192.168.0.202

Normally it will argue and I have to edit the file ~/.ssh/known hosts
by removing the line it is objecting to. It will then agree to the ssh.
Most people automate that process to avoid the editing etc but that
is a matter of taste only. Once you have things going without trouble
you can automate a lot of things.

good luck,
clare



From cedric.berger74 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 12:59:34 2008
From: cedric.berger74 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E9dric_Berger?=)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:59:34 +0100
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <1228390451091-1613173.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com> <20081203192451.30e27bed@franky>
	<1228349444947-1611381.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<gh77uk$8pb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<ca542f150812031938w204a7175gc209034c71c9f39@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228388969732-1613093.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1228390015218-1613157.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1228390451091-1613173.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <bff0f0570812040359i740a8eb6r3c779ba75ffcf291@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:34, Gothnet <openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net> wrote:

>
> I've also discovered a new feature in the image since my last post. Plugging
> it into my windows box to charge makes the box bluescreen. Not only when
> booted, but if it's plugged in then the OS bluescreens differently during
> startup. Yay!

Same for me, except I do not even have bluescreen: immediate reboot.



From rakshat at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 13:27:18 2008
From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:57:18 +0530
Subject: Bounties?
In-Reply-To: <4937906D.5060707@gmail.com>
References: <7c9d57ea0812022122i7a10cbfeofc22e790f6ac90ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<4937906D.5060707@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69a2e4550812040427yec15f75t627f38810b9965fb@mail.gmail.com>

Do you think it is a good idea to start a bounties page on the wiki? People
can post their detailed bounties on the page with details of how to contact
them. The developers can claim the bounties once they feel they have
fulfilled the task.

Rakshat

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Michael Kluge <vollseil at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd pay ~50 for a thing like Agendus on Palm OS.
>
> http://www.iambic.com/agendus/palmos/
>
> That can sync to Evolution (at least Calendar and Contacts) and has good
> mail app. QT mail is not usable, clawsmail is a lot better but not
> optimized for a small screen.
>
>
> Michael
>
> Sargun Dhillon schrieb:
> > Just out of curiosity, how many OpenMoko users out there would be
> > willing to pay for bounties? Additionally, how many developers would
> > work for bounties? What sort of bounties would you guys request? How
> > much would you pay?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From steve at openmoko.com  Thu Dec  4 13:31:27 2008
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:31:27 -0800
Subject: Funding Global Domination
In-Reply-To: <20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>	<49054F4F.9010408@users.sourceforge.net>	<4935DF6E.7050703@gmail.com>	<200812030951.44535.haduong@centre-cired.fr>
	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <4937CD9F.6080501@openmoko.com>

all you have to do is ask me. I like saying yes.

Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 09:51:44AM +0100, Minh Ha Duong wrote:
>>> Could somebody official in OpenMoko respond to this email and perhaps
>>> indicate whether the company would be interested in this idea and
>>> perhaps some way of gauging if the community is interested? Perhaps
>>> somebody in the Community could design a cool subtle OpenMoko garment?
>> The second option is more like it. It takes a few hours to design a T-Shirt 
>> and upload it to an online store where everybody else can go and buy it. So 
>> just do it: the entry costs are so low that there is no real need for a 
>> formal market study !
> 
> There may be trademark issues, better clear that with OpenMoko first!
> 
> Rui
> 



From filip at linux4.be  Thu Dec  4 13:35:20 2008
From: filip at linux4.be (Filip Onkelinx)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:35:20 +0100
Subject: Funding Global Domination
In-Reply-To: <4937CD9F.6080501@openmoko.com>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>
	<49054F4F.9010408@users.sourceforge.net> <4935DF6E.7050703@gmail.com>
	<200812030951.44535.haduong@centre-cired.fr>
	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org> <4937CD9F.6080501@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <op.ulm08tv35z3zlq@pc-filonk.visysglobal.local>

what about combining the T-shirt & bounty ideas ? Use the money from the  
T-Shirts to have some extra bounty budget.

F.

On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:31:27 +0100, Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com>  
wrote:

> all you have to do is ask me. I like saying yes.
>
> Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 09:51:44AM +0100, Minh Ha Duong wrote:
>>>> Could somebody official in OpenMoko respond to this email and perhaps
>>>> indicate whether the company would be interested in this idea and
>>>> perhaps some way of gauging if the community is interested? Perhaps
>>>> somebody in the Community could design a cool subtle OpenMoko garment?
>>> The second option is more like it. It takes a few hours to design a  
>>> T-Shirt
>>> and upload it to an online store where everybody else can go and buy  
>>> it. So
>>> just do it: the entry costs are so low that there is no real need for a
>>> formal market study !
>>
>> There may be trademark issues, better clear that with OpenMoko first!
>>
>> Rui
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community




From steve at openmoko.com  Thu Dec  4 13:46:47 2008
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:46:47 -0800
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <85aed13c0812030818w1b685108g5aa6fc92b5af518@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>	<49dd78620812011329w37b09629v5d4c971605d5c926@mail.gmail.com>	<20081202074608.GF4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>	<49359DC0.2000300@openmoko.com>
	<85aed13c0812030818w1b685108g5aa6fc92b5af518@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4937D137.2010103@openmoko.com>

Hi,

   Joerg went over the change for a5/a6 with me the other night.
   Over the next few days I'll drive to get an SOP published for
   the change. But for now I'll just explain it in words. The 
modification should work for both a5&a6. It consists of:

   1. Removing the front cover.
   2. Changing a resistor ( in some cases this is not necessary)
   3. Adding a Cap.

Steve

Jakob wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Andy Green <andy at openmoko.com> wrote:
> 
>> "buzz / echo / hiss"... no software change can fix buzz.  It's baked
>> into the hardware and you will have to do fairly extreme meddling with
>> your soldering iron to impact it.
> 
> Would it be better to wait until A7 is out and then buy a Freerunner?
> How hard is it to do the component change on a A6?
> 
> Jake
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



From xavier.bestel at free.fr  Thu Dec  4 13:52:21 2008
From: xavier.bestel at free.fr (Xavier Bestel)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:52:21 +0100
Subject: andy-tracking kernel?
In-Reply-To: <4937C144.1040607@openmoko.com>
References: <1228318238.2815.664.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4936B574.7060402@openmoko.com> <1228384383.19582.103.camel@skunk>
	<4937A912.1010501@openmoko.com> <1228389612.19582.119.camel@skunk>
	<4937C144.1040607@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <1228395141.19582.129.camel@skunk>

On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 11:38 +0000, Andy Green wrote:
> I must confess that, as I wanted to use my Neo as a sort of
> | internet tablet, it now just gathers dust somewhere, waiting for a WiFi
> | fix.
> 
> Changing the SDIO stack is enough of a jolt it's probably worth blowing
> the dust off and having another go according to your optimism / schedule
> :-)  At any rate if you do this please post on kernel list about your
> experiences.

Right, I'll try in my copious spare time.
Would it be possible for you to put a small README in your directory, to
explain how to use these files ? Even if it's just a pointer to
somewhere on the wiki, it'd be great.

Thanks,
	Xav





From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Thu Dec  4 13:54:41 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:54:41 +0100
Subject: andy-tracking kernel?
In-Reply-To: <4937C144.1040607@openmoko.com>
References: <1228318238.2815.664.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4936B574.7060402@openmoko.com> <1228384383.19582.103.camel@skunk>
	<4937A912.1010501@openmoko.com> <1228389612.19582.119.camel@skunk>
	<4937C144.1040607@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <op.ulm15fxz41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

> improved in andy-tracking.  If it's due to firmware trouble, probably
> this will never be fixed due to Atheros closed firmware policies.

wasn't there recently a release of an completely open atheros driver?
> http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/MadWifi-HAL-now-open-source--/112113
or did that not apply to the chip used in the fr?



From xavier.bestel at free.fr  Thu Dec  4 14:03:10 2008
From: xavier.bestel at free.fr (Xavier Bestel)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:03:10 +0100
Subject: andy-tracking kernel?
In-Reply-To: <op.ulm15fxz41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <1228318238.2815.664.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4936B574.7060402@openmoko.com> <1228384383.19582.103.camel@skunk>
	<4937A912.1010501@openmoko.com> <1228389612.19582.119.camel@skunk>
	<4937C144.1040607@openmoko.com>
	<op.ulm15fxz41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <1228395791.19582.136.camel@skunk>

On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 13:54 +0100, arne anka wrote:
> > improved in andy-tracking.  If it's due to firmware trouble, probably
> > this will never be fixed due to Atheros closed firmware policies.
> 
> wasn't there recently a release of an completely open atheros driver?
> > http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/MadWifi-HAL-now-open-source--/112113
> or did that not apply to the chip used in the fr?

There are working drivers for ath5k and ath9k, but the Neo has an
ath6k ...

	Xav





From steve at openmoko.com  Thu Dec  4 14:14:30 2008
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:14:30 -0800
Subject: How to remove microSD card
In-Reply-To: <gh6n84$b5g$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <20081203200506.6bf75990@franky> <gh6n84$b5g$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4937D7B6.3010801@openmoko.com>

I think joerg patented that.

Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote:
> Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
>> Ok, so I'm feeling totally moronic now ... I'm pretty sure I entered my
>> microSD card some 3 months ago, but I can't seem to figure out how to
>> remove it again ... some howto for a gta02? I can't seem to find any
>> lever or pressure thingie to get it to pop open there and the info
>> mentioned on
> 
> What about using a piece of scotch tape to pull the metal?
> 



From andy at openmoko.com  Thu Dec  4 14:14:22 2008
From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:14:22 +0000
Subject: andy-tracking kernel?
In-Reply-To: <1228395791.19582.136.camel@skunk>
References: <1228318238.2815.664.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<4936B574.7060402@openmoko.com>
	<1228384383.19582.103.camel@skunk>	<4937A912.1010501@openmoko.com>
	<1228389612.19582.119.camel@skunk>	<4937C144.1040607@openmoko.com>	<op.ulm15fxz41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<1228395791.19582.136.camel@skunk>
Message-ID: <4937D7AE.50503@openmoko.com>

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 13:54 +0100, arne anka wrote:
|>> improved in andy-tracking.  If it's due to firmware trouble, probably
|>> this will never be fixed due to Atheros closed firmware policies.
|> wasn't there recently a release of an completely open atheros driver?
|>> http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/MadWifi-HAL-now-open-source--/112113
|> or did that not apply to the chip used in the fr?
|
| There are working drivers for ath5k and ath9k, but the Neo has an
| ath6k ...

Yes the main difference is that the AR6001 in GTA02 is what's called a
"fullmac" device, it means that it has an 80211 stack in the firmware of
the device that can run autonomously.  That's in contrast to the other
devices which use a "softmac" 80211 stack in Linux.

The advantage is that it can run autonomously somewhat even with Linux
down, the disadvantage is we are entirely at the mercy of the
not-really-updateable closed firmware for a very wide range of operations.

- -Andy
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From steve at openmoko.com  Thu Dec  4 14:23:40 2008
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:23:40 -0800
Subject: Funding Global Domination
In-Reply-To: <4937A1BB.9090307@djdas.net>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>	<op.ulk14r0j41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>	<200812031838.05799.haduong@centre-cired.fr>	<49371D01.7080101@gmail.com>
	<4937A1BB.9090307@djdas.net>
Message-ID: <4937D9DC.4000306@openmoko.com>

please do.

DJDAS wrote:
> Arigead ha scritto:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Minh Ha Duong wrote:
>>   
>>> Le mercredi 03 d?cembre 2008, arne anka a ?crit :
>>>     
>>>>>> The second option is more like it. It takes a few hours to design a
>>>>>> T-Shirt
>>>>>> and upload it to an online store where everybody else can go and buy
>>>>>> it. So
>>>>>> just do it: the entry costs are so low that there is no real need for a
>>>>>> formal market study !
>>>>>>           
>>> Rui: There are lots of cool artwork under a Cc: license on the wiki including 
>>> the hardware schematics and 
> 
> What about making a T-shirt with the hardware schematics? ;)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



From rms at 1407.org  Thu Dec  4 14:28:09 2008
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:28:09 +0000
Subject: Funding Global Domination
In-Reply-To: <4937CD9F.6080501@openmoko.com>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>
	<49054F4F.9010408@users.sourceforge.net>
	<4935DF6E.7050703@gmail.com>
	<200812030951.44535.haduong@centre-cired.fr>
	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>
	<4937CD9F.6080501@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <20081204132809.GA6962@roque.1407.org>

Awesome :)

On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 04:31:27AM -0800, Steve Mosher wrote:
> all you have to do is ask me. I like saying yes.
> 
> Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 09:51:44AM +0100, Minh Ha Duong wrote:
> >>> Could somebody official in OpenMoko respond to this email and perhaps
> >>> indicate whether the company would be interested in this idea and
> >>> perhaps some way of gauging if the community is interested? Perhaps
> >>> somebody in the Community could design a cool subtle OpenMoko garment?
> >> The second option is more like it. It takes a few hours to design a T-Shirt 
> >> and upload it to an online store where everybody else can go and buy it. So 
> >> just do it: the entry costs are so low that there is no real need for a 
> >> formal market study !
> > 
> > There may be trademark issues, better clear that with OpenMoko first!

-- 
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Today is Pungenday, the 46th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174
+ No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown
+ Whatever you do will be insignificant,
| but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi
+ So let's do it...?



From tanuva at googlemail.com  Thu Dec  4 14:29:19 2008
From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:29:19 +0100
Subject: Funding Global Domination
In-Reply-To: <4937D9DC.4000306@openmoko.com>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4937A1BB.9090307@djdas.net> <4937D9DC.4000306@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <200812041429.19957.tanuva@gmail.com>

That would be soo geeky, great idea! :D

--
Marcel

Am Thursday 04 December 2008 14:23:40 schrieb Steve Mosher:
> please do.
>
> DJDAS wrote:
> > Arigead ha scritto:
> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >> Hash: SHA1
> >>
> >> Minh Ha Duong wrote:
> >>> Le mercredi 03 d?cembre 2008, arne anka a ?crit :
> >>>>>> The second option is more like it. It takes a few hours to design a
> >>>>>> T-Shirt
> >>>>>> and upload it to an online store where everybody else can go and buy
> >>>>>> it. So
> >>>>>> just do it: the entry costs are so low that there is no real need
> >>>>>> for a formal market study !
> >>>
> >>> Rui: There are lots of cool artwork under a Cc: license on the wiki
> >>> including the hardware schematics and
> >
> > What about making a T-shirt with the hardware schematics? ;)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community





From djdas at djdas.net  Thu Dec  4 14:32:50 2008
From: djdas at djdas.net (DJDAS)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:32:50 +0100
Subject: Funding Global Domination
In-Reply-To: <4937D9DC.4000306@openmoko.com>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>	<op.ulk14r0j41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>	<200812031838.05799.haduong@centre-cired.fr>	<49371D01.7080101@gmail.com>	<4937A1BB.9090307@djdas.net>
	<4937D9DC.4000306@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <4937DC02.5060400@djdas.net>

Steve Mosher ha scritto:
> please do.
>
> DJDAS wrote:
>   
>> What about making a T-shirt with the hardware schematics? ;)

Well :) I'm a bit practical with The Gimp, I'll try to do something in 
the weekend, in the meantime I accept suggestions for the file format, 
size, color numbers and so on so I'll have some guides before doing any 
work...Never made a T-shirt before :P
Bye!





From pander at users.sourceforge.net  Thu Dec  4 15:57:09 2008
From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:57:09 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Funding Global Domination
In-Reply-To: <20081204132809.GA6962@roque.1407.org>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>
	<49054F4F.9010408@users.sourceforge.net> <4935DF6E.7050703@gmail.com>
	<200812030951.44535.haduong@centre-cired.fr>
	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org> <4937CD9F.6080501@openmoko.com>
	<20081204132809.GA6962@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <26362.192.87.93.150.1228402629.squirrel@mjopr.nl>

I've good experiences with http://cafepress.com for t-shirts. Send me an
email and I will reply with some URLs with some nice examples.

On Thu, December 4, 2008 14:28, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> Awesome :)
>
> On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 04:31:27AM -0800, Steve Mosher wrote:
>> all you have to do is ask me. I like saying yes.
>>
>> Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
>> > On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 09:51:44AM +0100, Minh Ha Duong wrote:
>> >>> Could somebody official in OpenMoko respond to this email and
>> perhaps
>> >>> indicate whether the company would be interested in this idea and
>> >>> perhaps some way of gauging if the community is interested? Perhaps
>> >>> somebody in the Community could design a cool subtle OpenMoko
>> garment?
>> >> The second option is more like it. It takes a few hours to design a
>> T-Shirt
>> >> and upload it to an online store where everybody else can go and buy
>> it. So
>> >> just do it: the entry costs are so low that there is no real need for
>> a
>> >> formal market study !
>> >
>> > There may be trademark issues, better clear that with OpenMoko first!
>
> --
> All Hail Discordia!
> Today is Pungenday, the 46th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174
> + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown
> + Whatever you do will be insignificant,
> | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi
> + So let's do it...?
>
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From gecco at napodano.com  Thu Dec  4 16:08:29 2008
From: gecco at napodano.com (Carlo Minucci)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:08:29 +0100
Subject: Funding Global Domination
In-Reply-To: <26362.192.87.93.150.1228402629.squirrel@mjopr.nl>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>	<49054F4F.9010408@users.sourceforge.net>
	<4935DF6E.7050703@gmail.com>	<200812030951.44535.haduong@centre-cired.fr>	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>
	<4937CD9F.6080501@openmoko.com>	<20081204132809.GA6962@roque.1407.org>
	<26362.192.87.93.150.1228402629.squirrel@mjopr.nl>
Message-ID: <4937F26D.7060609@napodano.com>

Pander ha scritto:
> I've good experiences with http://cafepress.com for t-shirts. Send me an
> email and I will reply with some URLs with some nice examples.

i think http://www.spreadshirt.net/ is better



From rdmyers at mtpalomar.net  Thu Dec  4 16:17:03 2008
From: rdmyers at mtpalomar.net (Rodney Myers)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:17:03 -0800
Subject: working SIM install, network problems
In-Reply-To: <op.ulmuakrh41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <CE5CC67A-BF95-40CD-9B8D-205F826B3F62@mtpalomar.net>
	<op.ulmuakrh41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <4BB4F0C7-99A3-4AD3-8644-AB6CD9EDB8B5@mtpalomar.net>

On Dec 4, 2008, at 2:04 AM, arne anka wrote:

>> any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> well, it would be _really_ helpful, if you could specify what your  
> problem
> is and how it manifests itself.
>

When I plug the OM into the debian machine, i know it gets connected.  
the output of dmesg says so.

 From  both the Neo or the debian machine, pinging the other does not  
work, no packets returned.

I can take SD card, mount it to the debian machine and edit all  
necessary files, then reinsert into the OM to get it to boot.
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From gecco at napodano.com  Thu Dec  4 16:18:10 2008
From: gecco at napodano.com (Carlo Minucci)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:18:10 +0100
Subject: TwitterMoko 0.4 out
In-Reply-To: <1228347846.4000.47.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
References: <493675A6.10803@napodano.com>	<1228315624.4000.33.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>	<4936A1C6.3080206@kipdola.com>
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Joachim Breitner ha scritto:

(sorry for my bad ensligh)

>  * Please use a proper setup.py (using the python distutils) to 
>    install your files into the proper locations. See 
>    http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/openmoko-panel-plugin.git;a=blob;f=setup.py;h=d6056f95561b9a8f4f602fc968e0bc8e6ca7a18b;hb=HEAD
>    as an example.
>  * Using this setup.py, you can create proper and consistent tar-balls
>    using "./setup.py sdist". Make sure that you set the version number
>    corresponding, and check that all required files are included.

ok... i'm looking it tomorrow


> Additionally, while reading through your code, I?m wondering (please
> don?t take this personally): Does TwitterMoko have any advantages over
> existing projects such as twitux? What are it?s distinct features? Is

there is not a package of twitux for openmoko, and i'm not know how to 
recompile. i talk about om2008 and SHR

> there a good reason to fork and launch curl for each access, passing all
> parameters via the commandline and possibly not fully escaped, and
> blocking on the output of curl, instead of using some asynchronous http
> library directly?

yes... when i code i have use libcurl in my computer but after i have 
see there is not the package python-pycurl for om2008

> Also, the config should be saved in, say ~/.twittermoko.cfg, instead of
> a global place, and probably created with mode 660 (who knows, someone
> might actually have a guest ssh login to his FreeRunner :-)

this is a very good idea! in the next release...

> I hope this does not discourage you from working on TwitterMoko, but
> give you some hints on how to improve it ? but I think befor inclusion
> in Debian, things have to evolve a litte bit.

mhh... i don't know... :)
i have start to code twittermoko because i have not found a client for 
om2008 :) only this

see you



From rdmyers at mtpalomar.net  Thu Dec  4 16:19:17 2008
From: rdmyers at mtpalomar.net (Rodney Myers)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:19:17 -0800
Subject: working SIM install, network problems
In-Reply-To: <8e354bdf0812040357q5a1fd8c2o272ad5e8ab1e1cfa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AA9B942-E268-402F-A08A-67380C4939F2@mtpalomar.net>
	<8e354bdf0812040357q5a1fd8c2o272ad5e8ab1e1cfa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <297394D3-CE4B-442F-AF11-C07410393E1B@mtpalomar.net>

On Dec 4, 2008, at 3:57 AM, clare johnstone wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Rodney Myers <rdmyers at mtpalomar.net>  
> wrote:
>> Debian stable, and neorunner
>>
>> I have a semi-functioning Neo right now, thanks to the Hackable:1  
>> folkes
>> (http://www.hackable1.org/)
>>
>> I have changed all instances, that I find, from 192.168.0.* to  
>> 192.168.1.*,
>> for my lan.
>>
>> I've followed this wiki page for networking debian;
>>
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others
>>
>> also changing the 192.168.0.* address'.
>>
>
> Hello Rodney,
> I really hesitate to say anything, being overcome with admiration of
> anyone who can follow that
> wiki page that you quote.  It looks far too complex for normal humans
> and far too automated
> for someone who is just starting. If you dont agree with that  then
> best to ignore what I have to say.
>
> I have tried many images. One of the first things that becomes obvious
> is that attempts to change
> the mind of the Neo to use other than the network 192.168.0 will lead
> to serious frustration.
> So I accept that. My home network is equally  determined to be  
> 192.168.2
>
> When I want to comunicate from my PC to the Neo via the USB, I join
> them with the USB cable
> and on the PC run this little script ( as root)
>
> #!/bin/sh
> /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
> /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0
>
>
> Then I run this one
> #!/bin/sh
> /bin/echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
> iptables -F
> iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0  -d 192.168.0.200   -j  
> ACCEPT
> iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.0.200  -i eth+  -d 192.168.0.202  -j  
> ACCEPT
> iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.2.0/24  -i eth+  -d 192.168.0.202  -j  
> ACCEPT
> iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.2.0/24  -i eth+  -d 192.168.2.0/24  -j  
> ACCEPT
>
> iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0 -d 192.168.2.0/24 -o eth+
>  -j ACCEPT
> iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.2.0/24 -i eth+ -d 192.168.0.202 -o usb0
> -j ACCEPT
>
> iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.2.0/24 -o eth+   -j ACCEPT
> iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.0.202 -o usb0  -j ACCEPT
> iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24
>
> At this stage I can  do
> ssh root at 192.168.0.202
>
> Normally it will argue and I have to edit the file ~/.ssh/known hosts
> by removing the line it is objecting to. It will then agree to the  
> ssh.
> Most people automate that process to avoid the editing etc but that
> is a matter of taste only. Once you have things going without trouble
> you can automate a lot of things.
>
> good luck,
> clare


Thanks for the tip(s). The wiki is ponderous,  but gleaned what i  
hoped was a working set of instructions.

I have the above printed out, and may re-install the image(s) to get a  
default install and try again.
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From chris at grierwhite.com  Thu Dec  4 16:30:26 2008
From: chris at grierwhite.com (Christopher J. White)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:30:26 +0000
Subject: working SIM install, network problems
In-Reply-To: <4BB4F0C7-99A3-4AD3-8644-AB6CD9EDB8B5@mtpalomar.net>
References: <CE5CC67A-BF95-40CD-9B8D-205F826B3F62@mtpalomar.net>
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On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 07:17 -0800, Rodney Myers wrote:
> On Dec 4, 2008, at 2:04 AM, arne anka wrote:
> 
> >> any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > well, it would be _really_ helpful, if you could specify what your  
> > problem
> > is and how it manifests itself.
> >
> 
> When I plug the OM into the debian machine, i know it gets connected.  
> the output of dmesg says so.

On your PC, what do you get from:

$ ifconfig usb0

And on your FR, what do you get from:

$ ifconfig usb0

...cj





From chris at grierwhite.com  Thu Dec  4 16:33:46 2008
From: chris at grierwhite.com (Christopher J. White)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:33:46 -0500
Subject: working SIM install, network problems
In-Reply-To: <297394D3-CE4B-442F-AF11-C07410393E1B@mtpalomar.net>
References: <4AA9B942-E268-402F-A08A-67380C4939F2@mtpalomar.net>
	<8e354bdf0812040357q5a1fd8c2o272ad5e8ab1e1cfa@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1228404826.2815.763.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 07:19 -0800, Rodney Myers wrote:
> On Dec 4, 2008, at 3:57 AM, clare johnstone wrote:
> 
> > When I want to comunicate from my PC to the Neo via the USB, I join
> > them with the USB cable
> > and on the PC run this little script ( as root)
> >
> > #!/bin/sh
> > /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
> > /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0
> >
> >
> > Then I run this one
> > #!/bin/sh
> > /bin/echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
> > iptables -F
> > iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0  -d 192.168.0.200   -j  
> > ACCEPT
> > iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.0.200  -i eth+  -d 192.168.0.202  -j  
> > ACCEPT
> > iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.2.0/24  -i eth+  -d 192.168.0.202  -j  
> > ACCEPT
> > iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.2.0/24  -i eth+  -d 192.168.2.0/24  -j  
> > ACCEPT
> >
> > iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0 -d 192.168.2.0/24 -o eth+
> >  -j ACCEPT
> > iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.2.0/24 -i eth+ -d 192.168.0.202 -o usb0
> > -j ACCEPT
> >
> > iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.2.0/24 -o eth+   -j ACCEPT
> > iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.0.202 -o usb0  -j ACCEPT
> > iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24
> >

I few comments from my own experience.  I used to be able to configure
usb0 on the PC manually like above, but after either a FR software
change or possibly my upgrade on PC to Fedora 9, that no longer worked.
Instead, I followed the wiki directions to set it up via the UI and I
can now do "ifup usb0" after connecting the FR to PC.

Also, note that all the iptables commands are necessary only to
communicate to the internet from FR via the PC.  I'd skip those steps
until you can successfully ping from PC to FR.

...cj





From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Thu Dec  4 16:55:12 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:55:12 +0100
Subject: working SIM install, network problems
In-Reply-To: <4BB4F0C7-99A3-4AD3-8644-AB6CD9EDB8B5@mtpalomar.net>
References: <CE5CC67A-BF95-40CD-9B8D-205F826B3F62@mtpalomar.net>
	<op.ulmuakrh41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<4BB4F0C7-99A3-4AD3-8644-AB6CD9EDB8B5@mtpalomar.net>
Message-ID: <op.ulnaiamj41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

> When I plug the OM into the debian machine, i know it gets connected.
> the output of dmesg says so.

and according to the snippet from log, usb0 is up at your side with ip  
192.168.1.200.

>  From  both the Neo or the debian machine, pinging the other does not
> work, no packets returned.

probably no route set
route add 192.168.1.202 usb0
?
please post the output of of
netstat -rn
 from your side (ie not freerunner).
and the output of
ifconfig
on both your side and the fr



From nomeata at debian.org  Thu Dec  4 17:11:30 2008
From: nomeata at debian.org (Joachim Breitner)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:11:30 +0100
Subject: TwitterMoko 0.4 out
In-Reply-To: <4937F4B2.5020401@napodano.com>
References: <493675A6.10803@napodano.com>
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Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 04.12.2008, 16:18 +0100 schrieb Carlo Minucci:
> there is not a package of twitux for openmoko, and i'm not know how to
> recompile. i talk about om2008 and SHR
> 
> i have start to code twittermoko because i have not found a client for 
> om2008 :) only this

All very valid, and of course it it more fun and gives you more power
over your program. But generally, it?s advisable to re-use existing code
? in this case, instead of re-coding the applications, it would have
been more beneficial to the general community to make sure that twitux
and it?s dependencies are built in openembedded.

But that?s just my opinion, and again, don?t be discouraged by this.

Greetings,
Joachim
-- 
Joachim "nomeata" Breitner
Debian Developer
  nomeata at debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C
  JID: nomeata at joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata
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From cedric.berger74 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 17:34:59 2008
From: cedric.berger74 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E9dric_Berger?=)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:34:59 +0100
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
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On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 05:35, Sean McNeil <sean at mcneil.com> wrote:
> Can you send me the output of
>
> ADBHOST=neo ./adb logcat -b radio
>

No GSM for me either.
 And SIM contacts import fails too (says "no contacts on SIM").

(I aso tried in settings to register to networks, but it already was
failing with previous images)

adb logcat -b radio :

I/RIL     (  857): Opening tty device /dev/s3c2410_serial0,115200
I/RIL     (  857): Setting tty device parameters
D/AT      (  857): CHAT>
D/AT      (  857):
D/AT      (  857):
D/AT      (  857): AT
D/AT      (  857): CHAT< AT-Command Interpreter ready
D/AT      (  857): CHAT> ATZ
D/AT      (  857): CHAT< OK
D/AT      (  857): CHAT> ATE0Q0V1
D/AT      (  857): CHAT< ATZ
D/AT      (  857): CHAT< OK
D/AT      (  857): CHAT> AT+CMUX=1,0,5,128
D/AT      (  857): CHAT< ATE0Q0V1
D/AT      (  857): CHAT< OK
D/RIL     (  857): Connecting GPRS channel to tty /dev/pts/0
E/RIL     (  857): Error creating PPP options file: /data/ppp/options.gprs.
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
I/RIL     (  857): AT channel timeout; closing
D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
I/RIL     (  857): Re-opening after close
I/RIL     (  857): Setting tty device parameters
D/AT      (  857): CHAT>
D/AT      (  857):
D/AT      (  857):
D/AT      (  857): AT
D/AT      (  857): CHAT> AT
D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
D/AT      (  857): CHAT> ATZ
D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
I/RIL     (  857): AT channel timeout; closing
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
I/RILC    (  857): libril: new connection
I/RILC    (  857): RIL Daemon version: android muxgsm-ril 1.0
I/RILJ    (  911): Connected to 'rild' socket
D/RILJ    (  911): [UNSL]< RADIO_STATE_CHANGED RADIO_UNAVAILABLE
W/GSM     (  911): Can't open /system/etc/voicemail-conf.xml
D/RILJ    (  911): [0000]> GET_CURRENT_CALLS
D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: GET_CURRENT_CALLS
D/RILJ    (  911): [0000]< GET_CURRENT_CALLS error:
com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
D/GSM     (  911): Poll ServiceState done:  oldSS=[1 home null null
null ] newSS=[1 home null null null ] oldGprs=1 newGprs=1
oldType=unknown newType=unknown
D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnectionTracker] Radio is off and clean up
all connection
D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnectionTracker] Clean up connection due to
radioTurnedOff
D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnection] Stop poll NetStat
D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnection] Stop poll NetStat
D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnectionTracker] ***trySetupData due to roamingOff
D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnectionTracker] trySetupData: Not ready for
data:  dataState=IDLE gprsState=1 sim=false UMTS=false phoneState=IDLE
dataEnabled=true roaming=false dataOnRoamingEnable=false
D/GSM     (  911): [GsmSimCard] Broadcasting intent
SIM_STATE_CHANGED_ACTION NOT_READY reason null
D/RILJ    (  911): [0001]> RIL_REQUEST_GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
D/RILJ    (  911): [0001]< RIL_REQUEST_GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
error: com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
D/RILJ    (  911): [0002]> QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS
D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS
D/RILJ    (  911): [0002]< QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS  error:
com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
D/RILJ    (  911): [0003]> SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC
D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC
D/RILJ    (  911): [0003]< SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC error:
com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
E/GSM     (  911): failed to commit network selection preference
D/RILJ    (  911): [0004]> SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC
D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC
D/RILJ    (  911): [0004]< SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC error:
com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
E/GSM     (  911): failed to commit network selection preference
D/RILJ    (  911): [0005]> QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS
D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS
D/RILJ    (  911): [0005]< QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS  error:
com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
D/RILJ    (  911): [0006]> RIL_REQUEST_GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
D/RILJ    (  911): [0006]< RIL_REQUEST_GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
error: com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
D/RILJ    (  911): [0007]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xc0 0x6f3a 0,0,15
D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: SIM_IO
D/RILJ    (  911): [0007]< SIM_IO error:
com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE



From cedric.berger74 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 17:38:48 2008
From: cedric.berger74 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E9dric_Berger?=)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:38:48 +0100
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <bff0f0570812040834h6b6df111q8b9ea4dc478eac5d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com> <49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>
	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com>
	<424a1eac0812031556j513e7521h143ca1a166def561@mail.gmail.com>
	<49375E2D.1040906@mcneil.com>
	<bff0f0570812040834h6b6df111q8b9ea4dc478eac5d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bff0f0570812040838u71f1f6b4y2312dda0e9aa7e28@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 17:34, C?dric Berger <cedric.berger74 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 05:35, Sean McNeil <sean at mcneil.com> wrote:
>> Can you send me the output of
>>
>> ADBHOST=neo ./adb logcat -b radio
>>
>
> No GSM for me either.
>  And SIM contacts import fails too (says "no contacts on SIM").
>
> (I aso tried in settings to register to networks, but it already was
> failing with previous images)
>

I also get this error on startup : (my data partition -first partition
on SD- is 4GB but I think it was ok with your previous image)

E/MediaScannerService( 1000): exception in MediaScanner.scan()
E/MediaScannerService( 1000): java.lang.RuntimeException: Out of memory
E/MediaScannerService( 1000): 	at
android.media.MediaScanner.native_setup(Native Method)
E/MediaScannerService( 1000): 	at
android.media.MediaScanner.<init>(MediaScanner.java:320)
E/MediaScannerService( 1000): 	at
com.android.providers.media.MediaScannerService.scan(MediaScannerService.java:88)
E/MediaScannerService( 1000): 	at
com.android.providers.media.MediaScannerService.access$200(MediaScannerService.java:43)
E/MediaScannerService( 1000): 	at
com.android.providers.media.MediaScannerService$ServiceHandler.handleMessage(MediaScannerService.java:234)
E/MediaScannerService( 1000): 	at
android.os.Handler.dispatchMessage(Handler.java:88)
E/MediaScannerService( 1000): 	at android.os.Looper.loop(Looper.java:123)
E/MediaScannerService( 1000): 	at
com.android.providers.media.MediaScannerService.run(MediaScannerService.java:155)
E/MediaScannerService( 1000): 	at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:935)
D/MediaScannerService( 1000): done scanning volume internal
D/MediaScannerService( 1000): start scanning volume external
D/dalvikvm(  873): GREF has increased to 201



From levy.santanna at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 17:40:16 2008
From: levy.santanna at gmail.com (Levy A. M. Sant'Anna)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:40:16 -0200
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <ca542f150812031938w204a7175gc209034c71c9f39@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>
	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com> <20081203192451.30e27bed@franky>
	<1228349444947-1611381.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<gh77uk$8pb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<ca542f150812031938w204a7175gc209034c71c9f39@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bf6f43f40812040840xcabd4a8q65fa49db642af311@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 01:38, Rui Castro <rui.castro at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My first impressions on this new image is that it isn't usable :)

Hi Rui,

Is it able to answer calls now?

Thanks (Obrigado),
Levy.



From rui.castro at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 17:48:31 2008
From: rui.castro at gmail.com (Rui Castro)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:48:31 +0000
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <bf6f43f40812040840xcabd4a8q65fa49db642af311@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com> <20081203192451.30e27bed@franky>
	<1228349444947-1611381.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<gh77uk$8pb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<ca542f150812031938w204a7175gc209034c71c9f39@mail.gmail.com>
	<bf6f43f40812040840xcabd4a8q65fa49db642af311@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ca542f150812040848v167f2933v8f03af63dd8f56de@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Theoretically, yes.
I have done it in the emulator, with a test call made from AnETTe
(http://android-telefonie.de/anette/).

Rui

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Levy A. M. Sant'Anna
<levy.santanna at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 01:38, Rui Castro <rui.castro at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> My first impressions on this new image is that it isn't usable :)
>
> Hi Rui,
>
> Is it able to answer calls now?
>
> Thanks (Obrigado),
> Levy.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rui.castro at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 17:51:05 2008
From: rui.castro at gmail.com (Rui Castro)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:51:05 +0000
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <49375C6C.2060103@mcneil.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com> <20081203192451.30e27bed@franky>
	<1228349444947-1611381.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<gh77uk$8pb$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<ca542f150812031938w204a7175gc209034c71c9f39@mail.gmail.com>
	<gh7m19$b6p$1@ger.gmane.org> <49375C6C.2060103@mcneil.com>
Message-ID: <ca542f150812040851m2a1d5eebufe5cfaf4385b1457@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Thanks Sean. I will give it a try when I get home.

Rui

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:28 AM, Sean McNeil <sean at mcneil.com> wrote:
> Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote:
>>
>> Rui Castro wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The workaround to boot the uImage-tracking kernel from uBoot (setenv
>>> bootcmd setenv ... ; saveenv) works, but when I poweroff neo and try
>>> to boot again it doesn't work anymore; I have to do the hack again.
>>> Maybe I'm doing something stupid here. It's the first time I mess with
>>> uBoot shell.
>>>
>>
>> Are you editing NOR or NAND uBoot? You have write access only to NAND...
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I tried to make a jffs2 image from koolu source code, but I had no
>>> luck. I compiled the sources successfully with "make
>>> PRODUCT_TARGET=freerunner", then I tried to create a jffs2 image
>>> following a very simplistic and probably wrong approach:
>>>
>>> 1. Created a directory newandroidfs,
>>> 2. Extracted the contents of out/target/product/freerunner/ramdisk.img
>>> to that directory, using file-roller,
>>> 3. copied the files under out/target/product/freerunner/system to
>>> /system,
>>> 4. created a symlink /etc to /system/etc and a directory /sdcard (like
>>> I saw in Sean's image)
>>> 5. and created a jffs2 image with the contents of the directory
>>> newandroidfs using the command "mkfs.jffs2 --pad=0x700000 -o
>>> newandroidfs.jffs2 -e 0x20000 -n -dnewandroidfs/"
>>>
>>> Outcome of all this, red light flashing!!! It's kernel panic, right? :(
>>>
>>
>> It should be...
>> Btw another way for getting working images, I guess that should be using
>> the Sean's image as base and then putting there only the files you've
>> changed with your patches after a recompilation...
>> Would it work?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> If someone (have no ideia who :) ) did a simple tutorial about how to
>>> produce the precious jffs2 image, that would make the testing of new
>>> features a lot simpler.
>>>
>>
>> I'm asking this too :P
>>
>
> I use a script to copy out of the opensource build into my NFS mounted area.
> Once there, I use another script to create the jffs2 image. You'll probably
> need to modify them to your environment.
>
> Sean
>
>
> #!/bin/sh
>
> ANDROID_OUT=~/moko/android/opensource/out
> ANDROID_DEVICE=freerunner
> EXPORT_ROOT=/srv/export
>
> Usage()
> {
>        echo "Usage: $0 release|debug"
> }
>
> CopyAndroid()
> {
>        if [ -d $1 ]
>        then
>                echo "Copying from... $1"
>                sudo rm -rf $EXPORT_ROOT/root/dev
>                sudo rm -rf $EXPORT_ROOT/root/system
>
>                # Copy the image...
>                cd $1
>                tar cf - root | (cd $EXPORT_ROOT; sudo tar xf -)
>                tar cf - system | (cd $EXPORT_ROOT/root; sudo tar xf -)
>
>                # Change owner and permissions...
>                cd $EXPORT_ROOT
>                sudo chown -R root:root root
>                sudo chmod -R 777 root
>        else
>                echo "$1 does not exist!"
>        fi
> }
>
> if [ $# != 1 ]
> then
>        Usage
> else
>        case $1 in
>            release)
>                CopyAndroid $ANDROID_OUT/target/product/$ANDROID_DEVICE/
>                ;;
>            debug)
>                CopyAndroid
> $ANDROID_OUT/debug/target/product/$ANDROID_DEVICE/
>                ;;
>            *)
>                Usage
>        esac
> fi
>
> #!/bin/sh
>
> sudo mkfs.jffs2 --pad=0x700000 -o androidfs.jffs2 -e 0x20000 -n -droot/
>
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>



From cedric.berger74 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 17:55:22 2008
From: cedric.berger74 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E9dric_Berger?=)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:55:22 +0100
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <bff0f0570812040834h6b6df111q8b9ea4dc478eac5d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com> <49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>
	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com>
	<424a1eac0812031556j513e7521h143ca1a166def561@mail.gmail.com>
	<49375E2D.1040906@mcneil.com>
	<bff0f0570812040834h6b6df111q8b9ea4dc478eac5d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bff0f0570812040855n2dbae646u2eb10e1fbbd6fbe9@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 17:34, C?dric Berger <cedric.berger74 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 05:35, Sean McNeil <sean at mcneil.com> wrote:
>> Can you send me the output of
>>
>> ADBHOST=neo ./adb logcat -b radio
>>
>
> No GSM for me either.
>  And SIM contacts import fails too (says "no contacts on SIM").
>
> (I aso tried in settings to register to networks, but it already was
> failing with previous images)
>
> adb logcat -b radio :


Oh in fact after booting under qtopia, and have it register to
network, I came back in android and it correctly re-registered to this
GSM network.
I already had this kind of problems on previous android images.
(note that I am at a location where I have access also to roaming networks)


sorry for big log :-p this is what I had this time :



D/GSM     (  912): [DataConnectionTracker] Radio is off and clean up
all connection
D/GSM     (  912): [DataConnectionTracker] Clean up connection due to
radioTurnedOff
D/GSM     (  912): [DataConnection] Stop poll NetStat
D/GSM     (  912): [DataConnection] Stop poll NetStat
D/GSM     (  912): [DataConnectionTracker] ***trySetupData due to roamingOff
D/GSM     (  912): [DataConnectionTracker] trySetupData: Not ready for
data:  dataState=IDLE gprsState=1 sim=false UMTS=false phoneState=IDLE
dataEnabled=true roaming=false dataOnRoamingEnable=false
D/GSM     (  912): [GsmSimCard] Broadcasting intent
SIM_STATE_CHANGED_ACTION NOT_READY reason null
D/RILJ    (  912): [0002]> BASEBAND_VERSION
D/RILJ    (  912): [0003]> GET_IMEI
D/RILJ    (  912): [0004]> GET_IMEISV
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN=1
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< %CSTAT: PHB, 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN=1
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CTZU=1
D/GSM     (  912): Notifying: Radio On
D/RILJ    (  912): [0005]> OPERATOR
D/RILJ    (  912): [0006]> GPRS_REGISTRATION_STATE
D/RILJ    (  912): [UNSL]< RADIO_STATE_CHANGED SIM_NOT_READY
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CTZR=1
D/RILJ    (  912): [0007]> REGISTRATION_STATE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CPIN?
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CPIN: READY
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CSMS=0
D/RILJ    (  912): [0008]> QUERY_NETWORK_SELECTION_MODE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CMS ERROR: 314
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: BASEBAND_VERSION
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT%BAND?
D/RILJ    (  912): [0001]< RADIO_POWER
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< %BAND: 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: GET_IMEI
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CGSN
D/RILJ    (  912): [0002]< BASEBAND_VERSION 0
D/RILJ    (  912): [0009]> GET_CURRENT_CALLS
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CGSN: 354651011607019
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: GET_IMEISV
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: OPERATOR
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+COPS=3,0;+COPS?;+COPS=3,1;+COPS?;+COPS=3,2;+COPS?
D/RILJ    (  912): [0003]< GET_IMEI
D/RILJ    (  912): [0004]< GET_IMEISV error:
com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
REQUEST_NOT_SUPPORTED
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: GPRS_REGISTRATION_STATE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG?
D/RILJ    (  912): [0005]< OPERATOR {null, null, null}
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CGREG: 2,0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: REGISTRATION_STATE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CREG?
D/RILJ    (  912): [0006]< GPRS_REGISTRATION_STATE {0, -1, -1}
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CREG: 2,0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: QUERY_NETWORK_SELECTION_MODE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+COPS?
D/RILJ    (  912): [0007]< REGISTRATION_STATE {0, -1, -1}
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: GET_CURRENT_CALLS
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CLCC
D/RILJ    (  912): [0008]< QUERY_NETWORK_SELECTION_MODE {0}
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RILJ    (  912): [0009]< GET_CURRENT_CALLS
D/GSM     (  912): Poll ServiceState done:  oldSS=[3 home null null
null ] newSS=[1 home null null null ] oldGprs=1 newGprs=1
oldType=unknown newType=unknown
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CPIN?
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CPIN: READY
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CSMS=0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CMS ERROR: 314
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< %CSTAT: PHB, 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< %CSTAT: PHB, 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< %CSTAT: PHB, 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CPIN?
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CPIN: READY
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CSMS=0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CMS ERROR: 314
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CPIN?
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CPIN: READY
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CSMS=0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CMS ERROR: 314
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CPIN?
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CPIN: READY
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CSMS=0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CMS ERROR: 314
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CPIN?
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CPIN: READY
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CSMS=0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CMS ERROR: 314
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CPIN?
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CPIN: READY
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CSMS=0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< %CSTAT: EONS, 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< %CSTAT: PHB, 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< %CSTAT: SMS, 1
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CPIN?
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CPIN: READY
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CSMS=0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CSMS: 1,1,1
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CSMS=1
D/RILJ    (  912): [0010]> OPERATOR
D/RILJ    (  912): [0011]> GPRS_REGISTRATION_STATE
D/RILJ    (  912): [0012]> REGISTRATION_STATE
D/GSM     (  912): Notifying: SIM ready
D/RILJ    (  912): [UNSL]< RADIO_STATE_CHANGED SIM_READY
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CSMS: 1,1,1
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CNMI=1,2,2,1,1
D/RILJ    (  912): [0013]> QUERY_NETWORK_SELECTION_MODE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: OPERATOR
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+COPS=3,0;+COPS?;+COPS=3,1;+COPS?;+COPS=3,2;+COPS?
D/RILJ    (  912): [0014]> SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: GPRS_REGISTRATION_STATE
D/RILJ    (  912): [0010]< OPERATOR {null, null, null}
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG?
D/RILJ    (  912): [0015]> OPERATOR
D/RILJ    (  912): [0016]> GPRS_REGISTRATION_STATE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CGREG: 2,0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RILJ    (  912): [0011]< GPRS_REGISTRATION_STATE {0, -1, -1}
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: REGISTRATION_STATE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CREG?
D/RILJ    (  912): [0017]> REGISTRATION_STATE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CREG: 2,0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: QUERY_NETWORK_SELECTION_MODE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+COPS?
D/RILJ    (  912): [0012]< REGISTRATION_STATE {0, -1, -1}
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RILJ    (  912): [0013]< QUERY_NETWORK_SELECTION_MODE {0}
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CGATT=1
D/RILJ    (  912): [0018]> QUERY_NETWORK_SELECTION_MODE
D/GSM     (  912): [GsmSimCard] Broadcasting intent
SIM_STATE_CHANGED_ACTION READY reason null
V/GSM     (  912): SIMRecords:fetchSimRecords 0
D/RILJ    (  912): [0019]> getIMSI:RIL_REQUEST_GET_IMSI 11 GET_IMSI
D/RILJ    (  912): [0020]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xc0 0x2fe2 0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0021]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xc0 0x6f40 0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0022]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xc0 0x6fc9 0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0023]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xc0 0x6fad 0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0024]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xc0 0x6fca 0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0025]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xc0 0x6f11 0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0026]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xc0 0x6fcb 0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0027]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xc0 0x6f13 0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0028]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xc0 0x6f46 0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0029]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xc0 0x6fcd 0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0030]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xc0 0x6fc5 0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0031]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xc0 0x6f38 0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0032]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xc0 0x6f16 0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0033]> GET_SIM_STATUS
D/RILJ    (  912): [0034]> QUERY_FACILITY_LOCK
D/RILJ    (  912): [0035]> QUERY_FACILITY_LOCK
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CGATT=1
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+COPS=0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CGREG: 2
D/RILJ    (  912): [UNSL]< NETWORK_STATE_CHANGED
D/RILJ    (  912): [0036]> OPERATOR
D/RILJ    (  912): [0037]> GPRS_REGISTRATION_STATE
D/RILJ    (  912): [0038]> REGISTRATION_STATE
D/RILJ    (  912): [0039]> QUERY_NETWORK_SELECTION_MODE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+COPS=0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CGAUTO
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CREG: 2
D/RILJ    (  912): [UNSL]< NETWORK_STATE_CHANGED
D/RILJ    (  912): [0040]> OPERATOR
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: OPERATOR
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+COPS=3,0;+COPS?;+COPS=3,1;+COPS?;+COPS=3,2;+COPS?
D/RILJ    (  912): [0014]< SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC
D/RILJ    (  912): [0041]> GPRS_REGISTRATION_STATE
D/RILJ    (  912): [0042]> REGISTRATION_STATE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0
D/RILJ    (  912): [0043]> QUERY_NETWORK_SELECTION_MODE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: GPRS_REGISTRATION_STATE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG?
D/RILJ    (  912): [0015]< OPERATOR {null, null, null}
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CGREG: 2,2
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RILJ    (  912): [0016]< GPRS_REGISTRATION_STATE {2, -1, -1}
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: REGISTRATION_STATE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CREG?
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CREG: 2,2
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: QUERY_NETWORK_SELECTION_MODE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+COPS?
D/RILJ    (  912): [0017]< REGISTRATION_STATE {2, -1, -1}
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: GET_IMSI
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CIMI
D/RILJ    (  912): [0018]< QUERY_NETWORK_SELECTION_MODE {0}
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< 208106222255116
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: SIM_IO
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CRSM=192,12258,0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0019]< GET_IMSI
D/GSM     (  912): IMSI: 208106xxxxxxxxx
D/GSM     (  912): [GsmSimCard] Broadcasting intent
SIM_STATE_CHANGED_ACTION IMSI reason null
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CRSM: 144,0,850D000A2FE204000FFFEE01020000
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: SIM_IO
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CRSM=192,28480,0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0020]< SIM_IO SimIoResponse sw1:0x90 sw2:0x0
D/RILJ    (  912): [0044]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xb0 0x2fe2 0,0,10
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CRSM: 144,0,850D00886F40040011FEEE41020122
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: SIM_IO
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CRSM=192,28617,0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0021]< SIM_IO SimIoResponse sw1:0x90 sw2:0x0
D/RILJ    (  912): [0045]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xb2 0x6f40 1,4,34
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CRSM:
148,4,851400007F200280FFEEEE43099900120400838A828A
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: SIM_IO
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CRSM=192,28589,0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0022]< SIM_IO SimIoResponse sw1:0x94 sw2:0x4
D/RILJ    (  912): [0046]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xc0 0x6f17 0,0,15
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CRSM: 144,0,850D00036FAD04000BFFEE41020000
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RILJ    (  912): [0023]< SIM_IO SimIoResponse sw1:0x90 sw2:0x0
D/RILJ    (  912): [0047]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xb0 0x6fad 0,0,3
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: SIM_IO
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CRSM=192,28618,0,0,15
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CRSM:
148,4,851400007F200280FFEEEE43099900120400838A828A
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: SIM_IO
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CRSM=192,28433,0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0024]< SIM_IO SimIoResponse sw1:0x94 sw2:0x4
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CRSM:
148,4,851400007F200280FFEEEE43099900120400838A828A
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: SIM_IO
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CRSM=192,28619,0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0025]< SIM_IO SimIoResponse sw1:0x94 sw2:0x4
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CRSM:
148,4,851400007F200280FFEEEE43099900120400838A828A
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: SIM_IO
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CRSM=192,28435,0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0026]< SIM_IO SimIoResponse sw1:0x94 sw2:0x4
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CRSM:
148,4,851400007F200280FFEEEE43099900120400838A828A
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: SIM_IO
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CRSM=192,28486,0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0027]< SIM_IO SimIoResponse sw1:0x94 sw2:0x4
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CRSM: 144,0,850D00116F4604000BFFEE41020000
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: SIM_IO
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CRSM=192,28621,0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0028]< SIM_IO SimIoResponse sw1:0x90 sw2:0x0
D/RILJ    (  912): [0048]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xb0 0x6f46 0,0,17
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CRSM:
148,4,851400007F200280FFEEEE43099900120400838A828A
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: SIM_IO
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CRSM=192,28613,0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0029]< SIM_IO SimIoResponse sw1:0x94 sw2:0x4
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CRSM:
148,4,851400007F200280FFEEEE43099900120400838A828A
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: SIM_IO
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CRSM=192,28472,0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0030]< SIM_IO SimIoResponse sw1:0x94 sw2:0x4
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CRSM: 144,0,850D00056F3804001CFFEE41020000
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: SIM_IO
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CRSM=192,28438,0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0031]< SIM_IO SimIoResponse sw1:0x90 sw2:0x0
D/RILJ    (  912): [0049]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xb0 0x6f38 0,0,5
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CRSM:
148,4,851400007F200280FFEEEE43099900120400838A828A
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: GET_SIM_STATUS
D/RILJ    (  912): [0032]< SIM_IO SimIoResponse sw1:0x94 sw2:0x4
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CPIN?
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CPIN: READY
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CSMS=0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CSMS: 1,1,1
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: QUERY_FACILITY_LOCK
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CLCK="SC",2,"",7
D/RILJ    (  912): [0033]< GET_SIM_STATUS SIM_READY
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CLCK: 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: QUERY_FACILITY_LOCK
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CLCK="FD",2,"",7
D/RILJ    (  912): [0034]< QUERY_FACILITY_LOCK {0}
D/GSM     (  912): [GsmSimCard] Query facility lock : false
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CLCK: 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: OPERATOR
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+COPS=3,0;+COPS?;+COPS=3,1;+COPS?;+COPS=3,2;+COPS?
D/RILJ    (  912): [0035]< QUERY_FACILITY_LOCK {0}
D/GSM     (  912): [GsmSimCard] Query facility lock : false
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RILJ    (  912): [0036]< OPERATOR {null, null, null}
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: GPRS_REGISTRATION_STATE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG?
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CGREG: 2,2
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RILJ    (  912): [0037]< GPRS_REGISTRATION_STATE {2, -1, -1}
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: REGISTRATION_STATE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CREG?
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CREG: 2,2
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RILJ    (  912): [0038]< REGISTRATION_STATE {2, -1, -1}
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: QUERY_NETWORK_SELECTION_MODE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+COPS?
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RILJ    (  912): [0039]< QUERY_NETWORK_SELECTION_MODE {0}
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: OPERATOR
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+COPS=3,0;+COPS?;+COPS=3,1;+COPS?;+COPS=3,2;+COPS?
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RILJ    (  912): [0040]< OPERATOR {null, null, null}
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: GPRS_REGISTRATION_STATE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG?
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CGREG: 2,2
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RILJ    (  912): [0041]< GPRS_REGISTRATION_STATE {2, -1, -1}
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: REGISTRATION_STATE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CREG?
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CREG: 2,2
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RILJ    (  912): [0042]< REGISTRATION_STATE {2, -1, -1}
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: QUERY_NETWORK_SELECTION_MODE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+COPS?
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RILJ    (  912): [0043]< QUERY_NETWORK_SELECTION_MODE {0}
D/GSM     (  912): Poll ServiceState done:  oldSS=[1 home null null
null ] newSS=[1 home null null null ] oldGprs=1 newGprs=1
oldType=unknown newType=unknown
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: SIM_IO
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CRSM=176,12258,0,0,10
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CRSM: 144,0,98330126001084680315
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: SIM_IO
D/RILJ    (  912): [0044]< SIM_IO SimIoResponse sw1:0x90 sw2:0x0
D/GSM     (  912): iccid: 89331062000148863051
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CRSM=178,28480,1,4,34
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CRSM:
144,0,FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF06816030796957FFFFFFFFFFFFFF
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: SIM_IO
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CRSM=192,28439,0,0,15
D/RILJ    (  912): [0045]< SIM_IO SimIoResponse sw1:0x90 sw2:0x0
D/GSM     (  912): MSISDN: 0603979675
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CRSM:
148,4,851400007F200280FFEEEE43099900120400838A828A
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: SIM_IO
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CRSM=176,28589,0,0,3
D/RILJ    (  912): [0046]< SIM_IO SimIoResponse sw1:0x94 sw2:0x4
D/GSM     (  912): Invalid or missing EF[MAILBOX]
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CRSM: 144,0,00FFFF
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: SIM_IO
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CRSM=176,28486,0,0,17
D/RILJ    (  912): [0047]< SIM_IO SimIoResponse sw1:0x90 sw2:0x0
D/GSM     (  912): EF_AD: 00ffff
D/GSM     (  912): SIMRecords: MNC length not present in EF_AD
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CRSM: 144,0,01FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: SIM_IO
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CRSM=176,28472,0,0,5
D/RILJ    (  912): [0048]< SIM_IO SimIoResponse sw1:0x90 sw2:0x0
D/GSM     (  912): [SIMRecords] Load EF_SPN:  spnDisplayCondition: 1
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CRSM: 144,0,FF3CFF5F3D
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RILJ    (  912): [0049]< SIM_IO SimIoResponse sw1:0x90 sw2:0x0
D/GSM     (  912): SIMRecords: record load complete
D/GSM     (  912): [GsmSimCard] Broadcasting intent
SIM_STATE_CHANGED_ACTION LOADED reason null
D/GSM     (  912): [DataConnectionTracker] ***trySetupData due to (unspecified)
D/GSM     (  912): [DataConnectionTracker] trySetupData: Not ready for
data:  dataState=IDLE gprsState=1 sim=true UMTS=false phoneState=IDLE
dataEnabled=true roaming=false dataOnRoamingEnable=false
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CREG: 1,"296A","EEC0"
D/RILJ    (  912): [UNSL]< NETWORK_STATE_CHANGED
D/RILJ    (  912): [0050]> OPERATOR
D/RILJ    (  912): [0051]> GPRS_REGISTRATION_STATE
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: OPERATOR
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+COPS=3,0;+COPS?;+COPS=3,1;+COPS?;+COPS=3,2;+COPS?
D/RILJ    (  912): [0052]> REGISTRATION_STATE
D/RILJ    (  912): [0053]> QUERY_NETWORK_SELECTION_MODE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0,0,"F SFR"
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0,1,"SFR"
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0,2,"20810"
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RILJ    (  912): [0050]< OPERATOR {F SFR, SFR, 20810}
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: GPRS_REGISTRATION_STATE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG?
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CGREG: 2,2
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RILJ    (  912): [0051]< GPRS_REGISTRATION_STATE {2, -1, -1}
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: REGISTRATION_STATE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CREG?
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CREG: 2,1,"296A","EEC0"
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: QUERY_NETWORK_SELECTION_MODE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+COPS?
D/RILJ    (  912): [0052]< REGISTRATION_STATE {1, 10602, 61120}
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0,2,"20810"
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RILJ    (  912): [0053]< QUERY_NETWORK_SELECTION_MODE {0}
D/GSM     (  912): Poll ServiceState done:  oldSS=[1 home null null
null ] newSS=[0 home F SFR SFR 20810 ] oldGprs=1 newGprs=1
oldType=unknown newType=unknown
D/RILJ    (  912): [0054]> SIGNAL_STRENGTH
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: SIGNAL_STRENGTH
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CSQ
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CSQ: 9,99
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RILJ    (  912): [0054]< SIGNAL_STRENGTH {9, 99}
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CGREG: 1,"296A","EEC0"
D/RILJ    (  912): [UNSL]< NETWORK_STATE_CHANGED
D/RILJ    (  912): [0055]> OPERATOR
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: OPERATOR
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+COPS=3,0;+COPS?;+COPS=3,1;+COPS?;+COPS=3,2;+COPS?
D/RILJ    (  912): [0056]> GPRS_REGISTRATION_STATE
D/RILJ    (  912): [0057]> REGISTRATION_STATE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0,0,"F SFR"
D/RILJ    (  912): [0058]> QUERY_NETWORK_SELECTION_MODE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0,1,"SFR"
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0,2,"20810"
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: GPRS_REGISTRATION_STATE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG?
D/RILJ    (  912): [0055]< OPERATOR {F SFR, SFR, 20810}
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CGREG: 2,1,"296A","EEC0"
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: REGISTRATION_STATE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+CREG?
D/RILJ    (  912): [0056]< GPRS_REGISTRATION_STATE {1, 10602, 61120}
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +CREG: 2,1,"296A","EEC0"
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RIL     (  853): onRequest: QUERY_NETWORK_SELECTION_MODE
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]> AT+COPS?
D/RILJ    (  912): [0057]< REGISTRATION_STATE {1, 10602, 61120}
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< +COPS: 0,2,"20810"
D/AT      (  853): MUX[1]< OK
D/RILJ    (  912): [0058]< QUERY_NETWORK_SELECTION_MODE {0}
D/GSM     (  912): Poll ServiceState done:  oldSS=[0 home F SFR SFR
20810 ] newSS=[0 home F SFR SFR 20810 ] oldGprs=1 newGprs=0
oldType=unknown newType=unknown
D/GSM     (  912): [DataConnectionTracker] ***trySetupData due to gprsAttached
D/GSM     (  912): [DataConnectionTracker] No APN found



From cedric.berger74 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 18:04:46 2008
From: cedric.berger74 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E9dric_Berger?=)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:04:46 +0100
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <ca542f150812040848v167f2933v8f03af63dd8f56de@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 17:48, Rui Castro <rui.castro at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Theoretically, yes.
> I have done it in the emulator, with a test call made from AnETTe
> (http://android-telefonie.de/anette/).
>
> Rui
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Levy A. M. Sant'Anna
> <levy.santanna at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 01:38, Rui Castro <rui.castro at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> My first impressions on this new image is that it isn't usable :)
>>
>> Hi Rui,
>>
>> Is it able to answer calls now?
>>

No one called me :-p

But I made a call.... and while on call I could not get the keyboard !
Menu button brings special call menu, and there is not the keybord
button :-(
I am afraid that it could be the same for incoming calls. So you could
not answer.

So no access to volume buttons. And DTMF with Phone application
numerical keyboard does not work...



From openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net  Thu Dec  4 18:30:18 2008
From: openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net (Gothnet)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:30:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <bff0f0570812040904q276c2493idf3e61b70238f202@mail.gmail.com>
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C?dric Berger wrote:
> 
> 
> But I made a call.... and while on call I could not get the keyboard !
> Menu button brings special call menu, and there is not the keybord
> button :-(
> I am afraid that it could be the same for incoming calls. So you could
> not answer.
> 
> So no access to volume buttons. And DTMF with Phone application
> numerical keyboard does not work...
> 


I'll give incoming calls a go with real hardware slightly later, but from
what you're saying you wouldn't be able to hang up!

Still, progress eh?
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From cedric.berger74 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 18:36:52 2008
From: cedric.berger74 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E9dric_Berger?=)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:36:52 +0100
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
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On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 18:30, Gothnet <openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net> wrote:
>
> C?dric Berger wrote:
>>
>>
>> But I made a call.... and while on call I could not get the keyboard !
>> Menu button brings special call menu, and there is not the keybord
>> button :-(
>> I am afraid that it could be the same for incoming calls. So you could
>> not answer.
>>
>> So no access to volume buttons. And DTMF with Phone application
>> numerical keyboard does not work...
>>
>
>
> I'll give incoming calls a go with real hardware slightly later, but from
> what you're saying you wouldn't be able to hang up!
>
> Still, progress eh?
> --

Well hang up is possible since there is an hang up button on the
standard phone menu. (press menu button during call to see it)

The problem is to respond to a call...



From levy.santanna at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 18:39:54 2008
From: levy.santanna at gmail.com (Levy A. M. Sant'Anna)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:39:54 -0200
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
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> But I made a call.... and while on call I could not get the keyboard !
> Menu button brings special call menu, and there is not the keybord
> button :-(

> I am afraid that it could be the same for incoming calls. So you could
> not answer.
>
> So no access to volume buttons. And DTMF with Phone application
> numerical keyboard does not work...

Hi Cedric, none button to answer a call and for other "normal" things,
was the problem when I tested the last image, we don't have a button
to answer the call and it is not possible to do by touchscreen.

Thanks all,
Levy.



From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt  Thu Dec  4 19:05:04 2008
From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (Vasco =?iso-8859-15?b?Tul2b2E=?=)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:05:04 +0000
Subject: [OM2008.x] praise for the new testing image
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References: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<20081203115806.1272344klrgwv6tq@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
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Message-ID: <20081204180504.37293s6yf07a9ya8@w0.mail.sapo.pt>

Yes, that's how I get my ballance... it's the operator that  
automatically sends it at hangup.
I confirm that the dialer exits when we try to do it upon request...

Citando "Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o)" <mail at 3v1n0.net>:

> Vadim, Efimov wrote:
>>> Another 2 positive points I forgot to mention:
>>> - the UCSD messages are now correctly displayed (yay, I can see my
>>> account balance!!)
>> how? i "call" *102# and dialer just disappear...
>
> I figure that actually only the ones sent by operator (with no an
> explicit request, i.e. after a call) are working.
> There's an issue while placing an USSD request...
>
> --
> Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux
> http://www.3v1n0.net/
>
>
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From openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net  Thu Dec  4 19:07:31 2008
From: openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net (Gothnet)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:07:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
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C?dric Berger wrote:
> 
> 
> Well hang up is possible since there is an hang up button on the
> standard phone menu. (press menu button during call to see it)
> 
> The problem is to respond to a call...
> 


No problem at all, just made and received calls between my cheapo sony
ericcson and the freerunner running the 2.4MB (tracking) kernel and the
latest rootfs.

Incoming call gets displayed, click power button for menu, click button for
keyboard, click button for pick up.

Would it be better if the dialer app had on-screen buttons for pick up or
reject? Certainly.

But Rui's keyboard works fine.
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From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt  Thu Dec  4 19:07:38 2008
From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (Vasco =?iso-8859-15?b?Tul2b2E=?=)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:07:38 +0000
Subject: [OM2008.x] praise for the new testing image
In-Reply-To: <20081204063701.GO4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
References: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<1228302029.6451.33.camel@rattus>
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	<1228306932.6451.42.camel@rattus>
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I also went that way and hacked the qwerty button in again (but not  
the wrench - didn't know how).
However, the button is there and it reacts, but the keyboard does not appear.
Instead, it controls the appearance of the qtopia keyboard...
How do we reach the illume keyboard from this button?....

Citando John Lee <john_lee at openmoko.com>:

> On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 08:36:53AM -0800, Martin Benz wrote:
>>
>> Read the bugreport:
>>
>> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1767
>>
>> So we have a slow illume-theme with rasters keyboard or a fast asu-theme
>> without an usable keyboard (especially for non-engish users)...
>>
>> Maybe i'll try to hack the edj-file, did manage to get the qwerty-menu back
>> in the wrench, but messing around with the keyboard only gave me errors when
>> running build.sh...
>>
>> (See Method 2 from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Toggle)
>>
>> cheers
>> Martin
>
> actually it's quite easy to bring back the wrench and the qwerty
> buttons in asu theme.  it's not the real issue though.
>
> wrench:  it's a gadget to put on the illume 'shelf'.  so just add it
> back into the config then it will show up.  something like this
> (haven't tested):
>
> Index: illume-theme-asu/config/e.src
> ===================================================================
> --- illume-theme-asu/config/e.src	(revision 4796)
> +++ illume-theme-asu/config/e.src	(working copy)
> @@ -428,6 +428,24 @@
>            value "resizable" uchar: 0;
>          }
>        }
> +      group "clients" list {
> +        group "E_Config_Gadcon_Client" struct {
> +          value "name" string: "configuration";
> +          value "id" string: "configuration";
> +          value "geom.pos" int: 0;
> +          value "geom.size" int: 32;
> +          value "geom.res" int: 472;
> +          value "geom.pos_x" double: 0.0000000000000000000000000;
> +          value "geom.pos_y" double: 0.0000000000000000000000000;
> +          value "geom.size_w" double: 0.0000000000000000000000000;
> +          value "geom.size_h" double: 0.0000000000000000000000000;
> +          value "state_info.seq" int: 1;
> +          value "state_info.flags" int: 1;
> +          value "style" string: "plain";
> +          value "autoscroll" uchar: 0;
> +          value "resizable" uchar: 0;
> +        }
> +      }
>      }
>    }
>    value "font_hinting" int: 0;
>
> qwerty:  enable it in the theme.
>
> Index: illume-theme-asu/misc-data/asu/freerunner.edc
> ===================================================================
> --- illume-theme-asu/misc-data/asu/freerunner.edc	(revision 4796)
> +++ illume-theme-asu/misc-data/asu/freerunner.edc	(working copy)
> @@ -1575,8 +1575,8 @@
>  	    type: RECT;
>  	    mouse_events: 1;
>  	    description { state: "default" 0.0;
> -//	       visible: 1;
> -	       visible: 0; // sean wants it gone. don't look at me.
> +	       visible: 1;
> +//	       visible: 0; // sean wants it gone. don't look at me.
>  	       color: 0 0 0 0;
>                 rel1 {
>  		  to_y: "e.swallow.content";
> @@ -1585,8 +1585,8 @@
>  	       rel2 {
>  		  to_x: "kbdtext";
>  		  to_y: "e.swallow.content";
> -//		  relative: 1.0 1.0;
> -		  relative: 0.0 1.0; // sean wants it gone. don't look at me.
> +		  relative: 1.0 1.0;
> +//		  relative: 0.0 1.0; // sean wants it gone. don't look at me.
>  		  offset: -1 -1;
>  	       }
>  	    }
> @@ -1595,8 +1595,8 @@
>  	    type: TEXT;
>  	    mouse_events: 0;
>              description { state: "default" 0.0;
> -//	       visible: 1;
> -	       visible: 0; // sean wants it gone. don't look at me.
> +	       visible: 1;
> +//	       visible: 0; // sean wants it gone. don't look at me.
>  	       align: 0.0 1.0;
>  	       fixed: 1 1;
>  	       rel1 {
>
>
> the real problem is, after you click on the wrench, it will show the
> config menu, but click on any one of them will give you black screen.
> probably black fonts on black background.  I hope someone can find out
> what went wrong because I don't have time to work on it.
>
>
> - John
>
>> Vasco N?voa wrote:
>> >
>> > I've been trying the "illume" (gray) theme with the testing image, and
>> > it is badly broken - Enlightenment keeps crashing at random moments
>> > for reasons unknown.
>> > I gave up on trying to have illume's keyboard, and reverted to the
>> > original "asu" (black) theme. The qtopian keyboard sucks, but at least
>> > everything else rocks.
>> >
>> > I find it very strange that the whole image works so solidly with the
>> > "asu" theme and is so flakey with the "illume" theme...
>> >
>> >
>> > Citando Vasco N?voa <vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt>:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Citando William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:
>> >>> And also yes, I have modified 89qtopia - but it doesn't seem to have
>> >>> much of an effect :(
>> >> I found out how my illume keyboard went missing. From the wiki:
>> >> edit '/etc/enlightenment/default_profile' to use illume theme
>> >> instead of 'asu'
>> >> So, if you just want to get rid of it, replace illume with asu inside
>> >> /etc/enlightenment/default_profile ...
>> >> But if you want to keep it exclusively for the terminal, I don't know
>> >> how...
>
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From openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net  Thu Dec  4 19:10:17 2008
From: openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net (Gothnet)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:10:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
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Actually, when I say fine, I mean that I could pick up.

To hang up at the end of the call I still had to bring up the phone menu.


Right, next test - text messages.
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From openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net  Thu Dec  4 19:55:21 2008
From: openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net (Gothnet)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:55:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
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Gothnet wrote:
> 
> Actually, when I say fine, I mean that I could pick up.
> 
> To hang up at the end of the call I still had to bring up the phone menu.
> 
> 
> Right, next test - text messages.
> 


Which I can't do because now it's refusing to register. Except when I call
it the Network think's it's registered and I get ringtone.

Hmmm.
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From rui.castro at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 20:15:46 2008
From: rui.castro at gmail.com (Rui Castro)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 19:15:46 +0000
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <1228414051870-1614648.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1228349444947-1611381.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Hi,

I didn't modify any application directly, just the super class of all
activities (Activity), but it's possible to modify the incoming call
screen an place a button there.
Personally, I prefer not to modify applications because it's more code
to maintain as aplications evolve.

As Gothnet said, the End Call button is present in the menu of an
ongoing call and that screen completly overrides the menu creation
methods, that's why the keyboard button doesn't appear.

Rui

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Gothnet <openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> C?dric Berger wrote:
>>
>>
>> Well hang up is possible since there is an hang up button on the
>> standard phone menu. (press menu button during call to see it)
>>
>> The problem is to respond to a call...
>>
>
>
> No problem at all, just made and received calls between my cheapo sony
> ericcson and the freerunner running the 2.4MB (tracking) kernel and the
> latest rootfs.
>
> Incoming call gets displayed, click power button for menu, click button for
> keyboard, click button for pick up.
>
> Would it be better if the dialer app had on-screen buttons for pick up or
> reject? Certainly.
>
> But Rui's keyboard works fine.
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From levy.santanna at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 20:33:19 2008
From: levy.santanna at gmail.com (Levy A. M. Sant'Anna)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:33:19 -0200
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <1228414051870-1614648.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
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On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 16:07, Gothnet <openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net> wrote:
> Incoming call gets displayed, click power button for menu, click button for
> keyboard, click button for pick up.

Nice, I will test this last image this weekend.

Thank you,
Levy.



From bumbl3x3 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 21:35:07 2008
From: bumbl3x3 at gmail.com (Bumbl)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:35:07 +0100
Subject: OMoney? :O
In-Reply-To: <4936A646.3030109@djdas.net>
References: <4936A646.3030109@djdas.net>
Message-ID: <49383EFB.7030906@gmail.com>

Hi
OMoney is a little application by me.
It is far from being finished but the main features work
and it is under steady development (if everything goes well the first 
release might be this weekend)
code can be found at
omoney.googlecode.com



DJDAS wrote:
> Hi all,
> I was thinking about an expense handling program (like HandyExpenses on 
> Symbian phones), I have many ideas in mind but didn't write anything 
> yet, but looking at some screenshots at linuxtogo I saw these: 
> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=6
> I didn't find such an application (tried googling and at 
> opkg.org)...Does anybody knows where to find and try it?
> Thank you in advance, bye!
>
>
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From jackramone at googlemail.com  Thu Dec  4 23:28:23 2008
From: jackramone at googlemail.com (Jakob)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 23:28:23 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <4937D137.2010103@openmoko.com>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<49dd78620812011329w37b09629v5d4c971605d5c926@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081202074608.GF4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
	<49359DC0.2000300@openmoko.com>
	<85aed13c0812030818w1b685108g5aa6fc92b5af518@mail.gmail.com>
	<4937D137.2010103@openmoko.com>
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Thanks Steve for this little insight.
As the mod doesn't seem that hard to do, I'm looking forward to my
Freerunner for christmas (regardless if its A7 or a not yet reworked
A6 :) ).

Jake

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>  Joerg went over the change for a5/a6 with me the other night.
>  Over the next few days I'll drive to get an SOP published for
>  the change. But for now I'll just explain it in words. The modification
> should work for both a5&a6. It consists of:
>
>  1. Removing the front cover.
>  2. Changing a resistor ( in some cases this is not necessary)
>  3. Adding a Cap.
>
> Steve



From openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net  Fri Dec  5 00:28:30 2008
From: openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net (Gothnet)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:28:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <bf6f43f40812041133p35a2e61fm433fd9626db6b517@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Levy Abinajm Melero Sant'Anna wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Nice, I will test this last image this weekend.
> 
> Thank you,
> Levy.
> 
> 
> 

don't get too excited, after registering for the first 24 hours, it now
refuses to. I think the unregistered but still ringing thing was a network
glitch. Since then, no registration despite several reboots. There's a GSM
bug in there somewhere that spoils the call answering feature.
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From mail at 3v1n0.net  Fri Dec  5 02:12:53 2008
From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:12:53 +0100
Subject: TwitterMoko 0.4 out
In-Reply-To: <424a1eac0812030510s183ae70ew5851ab1b9972ab2d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <493675A6.10803@napodano.com>
	<424a1eac0812030510s183ae70ew5851ab1b9972ab2d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gh9v6k$mj1$1@ger.gmane.org>

> TwitterMoko is very cool and I always use it ;)
> However, are you interested to make a client for Facebook? I really
> appreciate it too :)

I've started something using the nice Elementary library by Raster &
friends :P. It looks nice on my PC [1], but I've not tested it on the
phone yet :|

Bye!


[1] http://3v1n0.net/openmoko/Facebook-FacElementaryBook-wip1.png


-- 
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http://www.3v1n0.net/




From mail at 3v1n0.net  Fri Dec  5 02:17:30 2008
From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcmNvIFRyZXZpc2FuIChUcmV2acOxbyki?=)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:17:30 +0100
Subject: Where can I find this game?
Message-ID: <gh9vf9$mj1$2@ger.gmane.org>

Oh, I've found one of the games I've played more when I was young :P
"screenshotted" on scap [1].
Now I forgot its name, where can I find it? :) Maybe I've some saves
around too...! ;)


[1] http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a2cb0faac134c6ba717ab4bhc6.png

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From kazer at altern.org  Thu Dec  4 22:55:56 2008
From: kazer at altern.org (KaZeR)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:55:56 +0100
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <ca542f150812040848v167f2933v8f03af63dd8f56de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com>
	<20081203192451.30e27bed@franky>	<1228349444947-1611381.post@n2.nabble.com>	<gh77uk$8pb$1@ger.gmane.org>	<ca542f150812031938w204a7175gc209034c71c9f39@mail.gmail.com>	<bf6f43f40812040840xcabd4a8q65fa49db642af311@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <493851EC.9090106@altern.org>

Rui Castro a ?crit :
> Hi,
>
> Theoretically, yes.
> I have done it in the emulator, with a test call made from AnETTe
> (http://android-telefonie.de/anette/).
>
> Rui
>   
With another kernel, i was able to place a call yesterday 
(uImage-android or uImage-tracking from 24 hours ago, don't remember 
which, i tried both and then updated it 12 hours ago)



From ysakaed at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 02:28:38 2008
From: ysakaed at gmail.com (EH)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:28:38 +0800
Subject: U-boot flashing failed?
In-Reply-To: <4937A536.9070704@laposte.net>
References: <33ef586d0812031629u5d620c3dl4c0a373e99d4f275@mail.gmail.com>
	<4937A536.9070704@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <33ef586d0812041728ne0656a2s6af54276409f3679@mail.gmail.com>

It is indeed low in battery...Didn't know the battery got drained out
that fast...
Thanks for the help :)

2008/12/4 Maelvon HAWK <maelvon.hawk at laposte.net>:
> EH a ?crit :
>> I have tried to flash the u-boot from the daily release.
>> After booting up in NOR, I have used the file
>> gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin, I am unable to boot up in NAND?
>> When I press power and then aux, the AUX start blinking in Red..
>>
>> Have I done anything wrong?
>
> It boot in NOR ?
>
> Low battery ?
>
> Wait a little, a few times after it boot normaly, if it was the low
> battery case.
>
> Maelvon
>
>
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From sean at mcneil.com  Fri Dec  5 03:00:42 2008
From: sean at mcneil.com (Sean McNeil)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:00:42 +0700
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <1228416921073-1614818.post@n2.nabble.com>
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	<20081203192451.30e27bed@franky>	<1228349444947-1611381.post@n2.nabble.com>	<gh77uk$8pb$1@ger.gmane.org>	<ca542f150812031938w204a7175gc209034c71c9f39@mail.gmail.com>	<bf6f43f40812040840xcabd4a8q65fa49db642af311@mail.gmail.com>	<ca542f150812040848v167f2933v8f03af63dd8f56de@mail.gmail.com>	<bff0f0570812040904q276c2493idf3e61b70238f202@mail.gmail.com>	<1228411818016-1614482.post@n2.nabble.com>	<bff0f0570812040936i5ad2694aw4d8728bbcac226f9@mail.gmail.com>	<1228414051870-1614648.post@n2.nabble.com>	<1228414217486-1614665.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1228416921073-1614818.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <49388B4A.2040506@mcneil.com>

Gothnet wrote:
>
> Gothnet wrote:
>   
>> Actually, when I say fine, I mean that I could pick up.
>>
>> To hang up at the end of the call I still had to bring up the phone menu.
>>
>>
>> Right, next test - text messages.
>>
>>     
>
>
> Which I can't do because now it's refusing to register. Except when I call
> it the Network think's it's registered and I get ringtone.
>
> Hmmm.
>   


It would be most helpful if you could provide the data from

ADBHOST=neo ./adb logcat -b radio




From sean at mcneil.com  Fri Dec  5 03:09:36 2008
From: sean at mcneil.com (Sean McNeil)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:09:36 +0700
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <bff0f0570812040838u71f1f6b4y2312dda0e9aa7e28@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>	
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C?dric Berger wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 17:34, C?dric Berger <cedric.berger74 at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 05:35, Sean McNeil <sean at mcneil.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> Can you send me the output of
>>>
>>> ADBHOST=neo ./adb logcat -b radio
>>>
>>>       
>> No GSM for me either.
>>  And SIM contacts import fails too (says "no contacts on SIM").
>>
>> (I aso tried in settings to register to networks, but it already was
>> failing with previous images)
>>
>>     
>
> I also get this error on startup : (my data partition -first partition
> on SD- is 4GB but I think it was ok with your previous image)
>
> E/MediaScannerService( 1000): exception in MediaScanner.scan()
> E/MediaScannerService( 1000): java.lang.RuntimeException: Out of memory
> E/MediaScannerService( 1000): 	at
> android.media.MediaScanner.native_setup(Native Method)
> E/MediaScannerService( 1000): 	at
> android.media.MediaScanner.<init>(MediaScanner.java:320)
> E/MediaScannerService( 1000): 	at
> com.android.providers.media.MediaScannerService.scan(MediaScannerService.java:88)
> E/MediaScannerService( 1000): 	at
> com.android.providers.media.MediaScannerService.access$200(MediaScannerService.java:43)
> E/MediaScannerService( 1000): 	at
> com.android.providers.media.MediaScannerService$ServiceHandler.handleMessage(MediaScannerService.java:234)
> E/MediaScannerService( 1000): 	at
> android.os.Handler.dispatchMessage(Handler.java:88)
> E/MediaScannerService( 1000): 	at android.os.Looper.loop(Looper.java:123)
> E/MediaScannerService( 1000): 	at
> com.android.providers.media.MediaScannerService.run(MediaScannerService.java:155)
> E/MediaScannerService( 1000): 	at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:935)
> D/MediaScannerService( 1000): done scanning volume internal
> D/MediaScannerService( 1000): start scanning volume external
> D/dalvikvm(  873): GREF has increased to 201
>   

This error is expected. It was a hack to deal with licensing issues.





From sean at mcneil.com  Fri Dec  5 03:11:23 2008
From: sean at mcneil.com (Sean McNeil)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:11:23 +0700
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <bff0f0570812040834h6b6df111q8b9ea4dc478eac5d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>	
	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>	
	<4935526C.6070102@anconafamily.com> <49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>	
	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>	
	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>	
	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>	
	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com>	
	<424a1eac0812031556j513e7521h143ca1a166def561@mail.gmail.com>	
	<49375E2D.1040906@mcneil.com>
	<bff0f0570812040834h6b6df111q8b9ea4dc478eac5d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49388DCB.3010605@mcneil.com>

Looks like no response from the modem. Perhaps there is an issue with 
turning it on. I've seen this happen here on occasion and a reboot 
resolves it.

C?dric Berger wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 05:35, Sean McNeil <sean at mcneil.com> wrote:
>   
>> Can you send me the output of
>>
>> ADBHOST=neo ./adb logcat -b radio
>>
>>     
>
> No GSM for me either.
>  And SIM contacts import fails too (says "no contacts on SIM").
>
> (I aso tried in settings to register to networks, but it already was
> failing with previous images)
>
> adb logcat -b radio :
>
> I/RIL     (  857): Opening tty device /dev/s3c2410_serial0,115200
> I/RIL     (  857): Setting tty device parameters
> D/AT      (  857): CHAT>
> D/AT      (  857):
> D/AT      (  857):
> D/AT      (  857): AT
> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< AT-Command Interpreter ready
> D/AT      (  857): CHAT> ATZ
> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< OK
> D/AT      (  857): CHAT> ATE0Q0V1
> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< ATZ
> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< OK
> D/AT      (  857): CHAT> AT+CMUX=1,0,5,128
> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< ATE0Q0V1
> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< OK
> D/RIL     (  857): Connecting GPRS channel to tty /dev/pts/0
> E/RIL     (  857): Error creating PPP options file: /data/ppp/options.gprs.
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
> I/RIL     (  857): AT channel timeout; closing
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
> I/RIL     (  857): Re-opening after close
> I/RIL     (  857): Setting tty device parameters
> D/AT      (  857): CHAT>
> D/AT      (  857):
> D/AT      (  857):
> D/AT      (  857): AT
> D/AT      (  857): CHAT> AT
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
> D/AT      (  857): CHAT> ATZ
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
> I/RIL     (  857): AT channel timeout; closing
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
> I/RILC    (  857): libril: new connection
> I/RILC    (  857): RIL Daemon version: android muxgsm-ril 1.0
> I/RILJ    (  911): Connected to 'rild' socket
> D/RILJ    (  911): [UNSL]< RADIO_STATE_CHANGED RADIO_UNAVAILABLE
> W/GSM     (  911): Can't open /system/etc/voicemail-conf.xml
> D/RILJ    (  911): [0000]> GET_CURRENT_CALLS
> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: GET_CURRENT_CALLS
> D/RILJ    (  911): [0000]< GET_CURRENT_CALLS error:
> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
> D/GSM     (  911): Poll ServiceState done:  oldSS=[1 home null null
> null ] newSS=[1 home null null null ] oldGprs=1 newGprs=1
> oldType=unknown newType=unknown
> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnectionTracker] Radio is off and clean up
> all connection
> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnectionTracker] Clean up connection due to
> radioTurnedOff
> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnection] Stop poll NetStat
> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnection] Stop poll NetStat
> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnectionTracker] ***trySetupData due to roamingOff
> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnectionTracker] trySetupData: Not ready for
> data:  dataState=IDLE gprsState=1 sim=false UMTS=false phoneState=IDLE
> dataEnabled=true roaming=false dataOnRoamingEnable=false
> D/GSM     (  911): [GsmSimCard] Broadcasting intent
> SIM_STATE_CHANGED_ACTION NOT_READY reason null
> D/RILJ    (  911): [0001]> RIL_REQUEST_GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
> D/RILJ    (  911): [0001]< RIL_REQUEST_GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
> error: com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
> D/RILJ    (  911): [0002]> QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS
> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS
> D/RILJ    (  911): [0002]< QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS  error:
> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
> D/RILJ    (  911): [0003]> SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC
> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC
> D/RILJ    (  911): [0003]< SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC error:
> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
> E/GSM     (  911): failed to commit network selection preference
> D/RILJ    (  911): [0004]> SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC
> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC
> D/RILJ    (  911): [0004]< SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC error:
> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
> E/GSM     (  911): failed to commit network selection preference
> D/RILJ    (  911): [0005]> QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS
> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS
> D/RILJ    (  911): [0005]< QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS  error:
> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
> D/RILJ    (  911): [0006]> RIL_REQUEST_GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
> D/RILJ    (  911): [0006]< RIL_REQUEST_GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
> error: com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
> D/RILJ    (  911): [0007]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xc0 0x6f3a 0,0,15
> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: SIM_IO
> D/RILJ    (  911): [0007]< SIM_IO error:
> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>   




From rui.castro at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 03:34:42 2008
From: rui.castro at gmail.com (Rui Castro)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 02:34:42 +0000
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <49388DCB.3010605@mcneil.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>
	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com>
	<424a1eac0812031556j513e7521h143ca1a166def561@mail.gmail.com>
	<49375E2D.1040906@mcneil.com>
	<bff0f0570812040834h6b6df111q8b9ea4dc478eac5d@mail.gmail.com>
	<49388DCB.3010605@mcneil.com>
Message-ID: <ca542f150812041834na8db2a7o6854db49143d3730@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

With the current kernel and jffs2 image, my GSM network is never available.
I can't produce the radio log because I can't get adb to connect to
neo! It shows "- waiting for device -" all the time.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:11 AM, Sean McNeil <sean at mcneil.com> wrote:
> Looks like no response from the modem. Perhaps there is an issue with
> turning it on. I've seen this happen here on occasion and a reboot
> resolves it.
>
> C?dric Berger wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 05:35, Sean McNeil <sean at mcneil.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Can you send me the output of
>>>
>>> ADBHOST=neo ./adb logcat -b radio
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No GSM for me either.
>>  And SIM contacts import fails too (says "no contacts on SIM").
>>
>> (I aso tried in settings to register to networks, but it already was
>> failing with previous images)
>>
>> adb logcat -b radio :
>>
>> I/RIL     (  857): Opening tty device /dev/s3c2410_serial0,115200
>> I/RIL     (  857): Setting tty device parameters
>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT>
>> D/AT      (  857):
>> D/AT      (  857):
>> D/AT      (  857): AT
>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< AT-Command Interpreter ready
>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT> ATZ
>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< OK
>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT> ATE0Q0V1
>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< ATZ
>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< OK
>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT> AT+CMUX=1,0,5,128
>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< ATE0Q0V1
>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< OK
>> D/RIL     (  857): Connecting GPRS channel to tty /dev/pts/0
>> E/RIL     (  857): Error creating PPP options file: /data/ppp/options.gprs.
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
>> I/RIL     (  857): AT channel timeout; closing
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
>> I/RIL     (  857): Re-opening after close
>> I/RIL     (  857): Setting tty device parameters
>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT>
>> D/AT      (  857):
>> D/AT      (  857):
>> D/AT      (  857): AT
>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT> AT
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT> ATZ
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
>> I/RIL     (  857): AT channel timeout; closing
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
>> I/RILC    (  857): libril: new connection
>> I/RILC    (  857): RIL Daemon version: android muxgsm-ril 1.0
>> I/RILJ    (  911): Connected to 'rild' socket
>> D/RILJ    (  911): [UNSL]< RADIO_STATE_CHANGED RADIO_UNAVAILABLE
>> W/GSM     (  911): Can't open /system/etc/voicemail-conf.xml
>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0000]> GET_CURRENT_CALLS
>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: GET_CURRENT_CALLS
>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0000]< GET_CURRENT_CALLS error:
>> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>> D/GSM     (  911): Poll ServiceState done:  oldSS=[1 home null null
>> null ] newSS=[1 home null null null ] oldGprs=1 newGprs=1
>> oldType=unknown newType=unknown
>> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnectionTracker] Radio is off and clean up
>> all connection
>> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnectionTracker] Clean up connection due to
>> radioTurnedOff
>> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnection] Stop poll NetStat
>> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnection] Stop poll NetStat
>> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnectionTracker] ***trySetupData due to roamingOff
>> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnectionTracker] trySetupData: Not ready for
>> data:  dataState=IDLE gprsState=1 sim=false UMTS=false phoneState=IDLE
>> dataEnabled=true roaming=false dataOnRoamingEnable=false
>> D/GSM     (  911): [GsmSimCard] Broadcasting intent
>> SIM_STATE_CHANGED_ACTION NOT_READY reason null
>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0001]> RIL_REQUEST_GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0001]< RIL_REQUEST_GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
>> error: com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0002]> QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS
>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS
>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0002]< QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS  error:
>> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0003]> SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC
>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC
>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0003]< SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC error:
>> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>> E/GSM     (  911): failed to commit network selection preference
>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0004]> SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC
>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC
>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0004]< SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC error:
>> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>> E/GSM     (  911): failed to commit network selection preference
>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0005]> QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS
>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS
>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0005]< QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS  error:
>> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0006]> RIL_REQUEST_GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0006]< RIL_REQUEST_GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
>> error: com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0007]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xc0 0x6f3a 0,0,15
>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: SIM_IO
>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0007]< SIM_IO error:
>> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>>
>
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From sean at mcneil.com  Fri Dec  5 03:37:49 2008
From: sean at mcneil.com (Sean McNeil)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:37:49 +0700
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <ca542f150812041834na8db2a7o6854db49143d3730@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>	<49361AC4.5050508@mcneil.com>	<1228317594059-1609241.post@n2.nabble.com>	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com>	<424a1eac0812031556j513e7521h143ca1a166def561@mail.gmail.com>	<49375E2D.1040906@mcneil.com>	<bff0f0570812040834h6b6df111q8b9ea4dc478eac5d@mail.gmail.com>	<49388DCB.3010605@mcneil.com>
	<ca542f150812041834na8db2a7o6854db49143d3730@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493893FD.9060706@mcneil.com>

Rui Castro wrote:
> Hi,
>
> With the current kernel and jffs2 image, my GSM network is never available.
> I can't produce the radio log because I can't get adb to connect to
> neo! It shows "- waiting for device -" all the time.
>   

Hmm... Can you ping the phone? Sometimes an old server for adb gets left 
laying around and you need to do a

ADBHOST=neo ./adb kill-server

to clear it out.

> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:11 AM, Sean McNeil <sean at mcneil.com> wrote:
>   
>> Looks like no response from the modem. Perhaps there is an issue with
>> turning it on. I've seen this happen here on occasion and a reboot
>> resolves it.
>>
>> C?dric Berger wrote:
>>     
>>> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 05:35, Sean McNeil <sean at mcneil.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Can you send me the output of
>>>>
>>>> ADBHOST=neo ./adb logcat -b radio
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> No GSM for me either.
>>>  And SIM contacts import fails too (says "no contacts on SIM").
>>>
>>> (I aso tried in settings to register to networks, but it already was
>>> failing with previous images)
>>>
>>> adb logcat -b radio :
>>>
>>> I/RIL     (  857): Opening tty device /dev/s3c2410_serial0,115200
>>> I/RIL     (  857): Setting tty device parameters
>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT>
>>> D/AT      (  857):
>>> D/AT      (  857):
>>> D/AT      (  857): AT
>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< AT-Command Interpreter ready
>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT> ATZ
>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< OK
>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT> ATE0Q0V1
>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< ATZ
>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< OK
>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT> AT+CMUX=1,0,5,128
>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< ATE0Q0V1
>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< OK
>>> D/RIL     (  857): Connecting GPRS channel to tty /dev/pts/0
>>> E/RIL     (  857): Error creating PPP options file: /data/ppp/options.gprs.
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
>>> I/RIL     (  857): AT channel timeout; closing
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
>>> I/RIL     (  857): Re-opening after close
>>> I/RIL     (  857): Setting tty device parameters
>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT>
>>> D/AT      (  857):
>>> D/AT      (  857):
>>> D/AT      (  857): AT
>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT> AT
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT> ATZ
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
>>> I/RIL     (  857): AT channel timeout; closing
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
>>> I/RILC    (  857): libril: new connection
>>> I/RILC    (  857): RIL Daemon version: android muxgsm-ril 1.0
>>> I/RILJ    (  911): Connected to 'rild' socket
>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [UNSL]< RADIO_STATE_CHANGED RADIO_UNAVAILABLE
>>> W/GSM     (  911): Can't open /system/etc/voicemail-conf.xml
>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0000]> GET_CURRENT_CALLS
>>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: GET_CURRENT_CALLS
>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0000]< GET_CURRENT_CALLS error:
>>> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>>> D/GSM     (  911): Poll ServiceState done:  oldSS=[1 home null null
>>> null ] newSS=[1 home null null null ] oldGprs=1 newGprs=1
>>> oldType=unknown newType=unknown
>>> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnectionTracker] Radio is off and clean up
>>> all connection
>>> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnectionTracker] Clean up connection due to
>>> radioTurnedOff
>>> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnection] Stop poll NetStat
>>> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnection] Stop poll NetStat
>>> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnectionTracker] ***trySetupData due to roamingOff
>>> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnectionTracker] trySetupData: Not ready for
>>> data:  dataState=IDLE gprsState=1 sim=false UMTS=false phoneState=IDLE
>>> dataEnabled=true roaming=false dataOnRoamingEnable=false
>>> D/GSM     (  911): [GsmSimCard] Broadcasting intent
>>> SIM_STATE_CHANGED_ACTION NOT_READY reason null
>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0001]> RIL_REQUEST_GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
>>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0001]< RIL_REQUEST_GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
>>> error: com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0002]> QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS
>>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS
>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0002]< QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS  error:
>>> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0003]> SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC
>>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC
>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0003]< SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC error:
>>> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>>> E/GSM     (  911): failed to commit network selection preference
>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0004]> SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC
>>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC
>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0004]< SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC error:
>>> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>>> E/GSM     (  911): failed to commit network selection preference
>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0005]> QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS
>>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS
>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0005]< QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS  error:
>>> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0006]> RIL_REQUEST_GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
>>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0006]< RIL_REQUEST_GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
>>> error: com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0007]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xc0 0x6f3a 0,0,15
>>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: SIM_IO
>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0007]< SIM_IO error:
>>> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>>>
>>>       
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From jim at anconafamily.com  Fri Dec  5 03:43:11 2008
From: jim at anconafamily.com (Jim Ancona)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:43:11 -0500
Subject: [android] Building Android from the Koolu Source
Message-ID: <4938953F.8010304@anconafamily.com>

I've been able to successfully build an Android rootfs from the Koolu
repository. When flashed to my phone with the kernel that Sean provided,
it runs with just about the same set of issues as the images that Sean
has put up.

I've documented how I did it on the wiki at:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android#Building_the_Koolu_Android_Source

Thanks to the folks at Koolu for hosting the repository, and to Sean 
McNeil, Brian Code and others who have contributed to the port! Now that 
it's available and buildable, I hope we in the community can start 
contributing to their excellent work!

While I'm sending this message to both the Community and Development 
lists, please send follow-ups to the development list 
(devel at lists.openmoko.org) only! I'll be happy to answer questions or 
clarify anything I can.

Jim



From rui.castro at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 03:45:53 2008
From: rui.castro at gmail.com (Rui Castro)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 02:45:53 +0000
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <493893FD.9060706@mcneil.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00812030751g578af248u33f2de5a191f7489@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228325680704-1609901.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4936CC2B.2070301@mcneil.com>
	<424a1eac0812031556j513e7521h143ca1a166def561@mail.gmail.com>
	<49375E2D.1040906@mcneil.com>
	<bff0f0570812040834h6b6df111q8b9ea4dc478eac5d@mail.gmail.com>
	<49388DCB.3010605@mcneil.com>
	<ca542f150812041834na8db2a7o6854db49143d3730@mail.gmail.com>
	<493893FD.9060706@mcneil.com>
Message-ID: <ca542f150812041845w4891d887s7dd3095be4699372@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

great, the kill-server command did the trick.
Here's my radio logcat.


On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Sean McNeil <sean at mcneil.com> wrote:
> Rui Castro wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> With the current kernel and jffs2 image, my GSM network is never available.
>> I can't produce the radio log because I can't get adb to connect to
>> neo! It shows "- waiting for device -" all the time.
>>
>
> Hmm... Can you ping the phone? Sometimes an old server for adb gets left
> laying around and you need to do a
>
> ADBHOST=neo ./adb kill-server
>
> to clear it out.
>
>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:11 AM, Sean McNeil <sean at mcneil.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like no response from the modem. Perhaps there is an issue with
>>> turning it on. I've seen this happen here on occasion and a reboot
>>> resolves it.
>>>
>>> C?dric Berger wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 05:35, Sean McNeil <sean at mcneil.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Can you send me the output of
>>>>>
>>>>> ADBHOST=neo ./adb logcat -b radio
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> No GSM for me either.
>>>>  And SIM contacts import fails too (says "no contacts on SIM").
>>>>
>>>> (I aso tried in settings to register to networks, but it already was
>>>> failing with previous images)
>>>>
>>>> adb logcat -b radio :
>>>>
>>>> I/RIL     (  857): Opening tty device /dev/s3c2410_serial0,115200
>>>> I/RIL     (  857): Setting tty device parameters
>>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT>
>>>> D/AT      (  857):
>>>> D/AT      (  857):
>>>> D/AT      (  857): AT
>>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< AT-Command Interpreter ready
>>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT> ATZ
>>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< OK
>>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT> ATE0Q0V1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< ATZ
>>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< OK
>>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT> AT+CMUX=1,0,5,128
>>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< ATE0Q0V1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT< OK
>>>> D/RIL     (  857): Connecting GPRS channel to tty /dev/pts/0
>>>> E/RIL     (  857): Error creating PPP options file: /data/ppp/options.gprs.
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATE0Q0V1
>>>> I/RIL     (  857): AT channel timeout; closing
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> ATE0Q0V1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CRC=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> ATS0=0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMEE=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
>>>> I/RIL     (  857): Re-opening after close
>>>> I/RIL     (  857): Setting tty device parameters
>>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT>
>>>> D/AT      (  857):
>>>> D/AT      (  857):
>>>> D/AT      (  857): AT
>>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT> AT
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): CHAT> ATZ
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[2]> AT+CMEE=1
>>>> I/RIL     (  857): AT channel timeout; closing
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=2
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CREG=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGREG=2
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CCWA=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMOD=2
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMUT=0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSSN=0,1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+COLP=0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CSCS="HEX"
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CUSD=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CGEREP=1,0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CMGF=0
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT%CSTAT=1
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
>>>> D/AT      (  857): MUX[1]> AT+CFUN?
>>>> I/RILC    (  857): libril: new connection
>>>> I/RILC    (  857): RIL Daemon version: android muxgsm-ril 1.0
>>>> I/RILJ    (  911): Connected to 'rild' socket
>>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [UNSL]< RADIO_STATE_CHANGED RADIO_UNAVAILABLE
>>>> W/GSM     (  911): Can't open /system/etc/voicemail-conf.xml
>>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0000]> GET_CURRENT_CALLS
>>>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: GET_CURRENT_CALLS
>>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0000]< GET_CURRENT_CALLS error:
>>>> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>>>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>>>> D/GSM     (  911): Poll ServiceState done:  oldSS=[1 home null null
>>>> null ] newSS=[1 home null null null ] oldGprs=1 newGprs=1
>>>> oldType=unknown newType=unknown
>>>> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnectionTracker] Radio is off and clean up
>>>> all connection
>>>> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnectionTracker] Clean up connection due to
>>>> radioTurnedOff
>>>> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnection] Stop poll NetStat
>>>> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnection] Stop poll NetStat
>>>> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnectionTracker] ***trySetupData due to roamingOff
>>>> D/GSM     (  911): [DataConnectionTracker] trySetupData: Not ready for
>>>> data:  dataState=IDLE gprsState=1 sim=false UMTS=false phoneState=IDLE
>>>> dataEnabled=true roaming=false dataOnRoamingEnable=false
>>>> D/GSM     (  911): [GsmSimCard] Broadcasting intent
>>>> SIM_STATE_CHANGED_ACTION NOT_READY reason null
>>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0001]> RIL_REQUEST_GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
>>>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
>>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0001]< RIL_REQUEST_GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
>>>> error: com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>>>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0002]> QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS
>>>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS
>>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0002]< QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS  error:
>>>> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>>>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0003]> SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC
>>>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC
>>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0003]< SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC error:
>>>> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>>>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>>>> E/GSM     (  911): failed to commit network selection preference
>>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0004]> SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC
>>>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC
>>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0004]< SET_NETWORK_SELECTION_AUTOMATIC error:
>>>> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>>>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>>>> E/GSM     (  911): failed to commit network selection preference
>>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0005]> QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS
>>>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS
>>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0005]< QUERY_AVAILABLE_NETWORKS  error:
>>>> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>>>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0006]> RIL_REQUEST_GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
>>>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
>>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0006]< RIL_REQUEST_GET_PREFERRED_NETWORK_TYPE
>>>> error: com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>>>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0007]> simIO: SIM_IO 0xc0 0x6f3a 0,0,15
>>>> D/RIL     (  857): onRequest: SIM_IO
>>>> D/RILJ    (  911): [0007]< SIM_IO error:
>>>> com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException:
>>>> RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE
>>>>
>>>>
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From marcelo.magallon at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 05:14:39 2008
From: marcelo.magallon at gmail.com (Marcelo)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 22:14:39 -0600
Subject: [android] Building Android from the Koolu Source
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References: <4938953F.8010304@anconafamily.com>
Message-ID: <937117890812042014w57f241fdxb4a646e27da53afc@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Jim Ancona <jim at anconafamily.com> wrote:

> I've documented how I did it on the wiki at:
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android#Building_the_Koolu_Android_Source

we would like this to be as straightforward as possible, so a few
hours ago I added the required toolchain to the git repo and patched
the necessary build files to use that toolchain by default.

If you go to http://git.koolu.org/ and follow the instructions form
there (basically download "repo", do a "repo init" and "repo sync")
you should be able to build everything from source with just:

$ make TARGET_PRODUCT=freerunner

I find it easier to just do this

$ echo TARGET_PRODUCT:=freerunner > buildspec.mk

and then afterwards:

$ make

Hopefully this allows everyone interested to work on the code ? as
opposed to working on build system around the code.

Thanks!

Marcelo

From sean at mcneil.com  Fri Dec  5 05:44:55 2008
From: sean at mcneil.com (Sean McNeil)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:44:55 +0700
Subject: [android] Building Android from the Koolu Source
In-Reply-To: <937117890812042014w57f241fdxb4a646e27da53afc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4938953F.8010304@anconafamily.com>
	<937117890812042014w57f241fdxb4a646e27da53afc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4938B1C7.2080300@mcneil.com>

Marcelo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Jim Ancona <jim at anconafamily.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> I've documented how I did it on the wiki at:
>>
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android#Building_the_Koolu_Android_Source
>>     
>
> we would like this to be as straightforward as possible, so a few
> hours ago I added the required toolchain to the git repo and patched
> the necessary build files to use that toolchain by default.
>
> If you go to http://git.koolu.org/ and follow the instructions form
> there (basically download "repo", do a "repo init" and "repo sync")
> you should be able to build everything from source with just:
>
> $ make TARGET_PRODUCT=freerunner
>
> I find it easier to just do this
>
> $ echo TARGET_PRODUCT:=freerunner > buildspec.mk
>   

You can also do a

$ . build/envsetup.sh
$ choosecombo

and then select defaults for first 2 questions and freerunner for last.

> and then afterwards:
>
> $ make
>
> Hopefully this allows everyone interested to work on the code ? as
> opposed to working on build system around the code.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Marcelo
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>   




From rui.castro at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 05:54:24 2008
From: rui.castro at gmail.com (Rui Castro)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 04:54:24 +0000
Subject: [android] Building Android from the Koolu Source
In-Reply-To: <937117890812042014w57f241fdxb4a646e27da53afc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4938953F.8010304@anconafamily.com>
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Message-ID: <ca542f150812042054q74d3cc3en9dfc12c192bf1945@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

In order to make the compile process straightforward as Marcelo said,
I've made these 2 scripts compile.sh and build-jffs2.sh (a combination
of Sean scripts cp_android_OS and mkjffs2).
Place them in the root of Koolu source tree and then to compile and
produce de jffs2 image, do:

$> ./compile.sh
$>./build-jffs2.sh release androidfs.jffs2

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Marcelo <marcelo.magallon at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Jim Ancona <jim at anconafamily.com> wrote:
>
>> I've documented how I did it on the wiki at:
>>
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android#Building_the_Koolu_Android_Source
>
> we would like this to be as straightforward as possible, so a few
> hours ago I added the required toolchain to the git repo and patched
> the necessary build files to use that toolchain by default.
>
> If you go to http://git.koolu.org/ and follow the instructions form
> there (basically download "repo", do a "repo init" and "repo sync")
> you should be able to build everything from source with just:
>
> $ make TARGET_PRODUCT=freerunner
>
> I find it easier to just do this
>
> $ echo TARGET_PRODUCT:=freerunner > buildspec.mk
>
> and then afterwards:
>
> $ make
>
> Hopefully this allows everyone interested to work on the code ? as
> opposed to working on build system around the code.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Marcelo
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
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From john_lee at openmoko.com  Fri Dec  5 06:02:59 2008
From: john_lee at openmoko.com (John Lee)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:02:59 +0800
Subject: [OM2008.x] praise for the new testing image
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	<1228302029.6451.33.camel@rattus>
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	<20081204063701.GO4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
	<20081204180738.154564wka964hnca@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <20081205050259.GR4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>

On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 06:07:38PM +0000, Vasco N?voa wrote:
> I also went that way and hacked the qwerty button in again (but not  
> the wrench - didn't know how).
> However, the button is there and it reacts, but the keyboard does not appear.
> Instead, it controls the appearance of the qtopia keyboard...
> How do we reach the illume keyboard from this button?....

* disable the qtopia keyboard

* enable the illume one if it still doesn't show up.  you need to hack
  eet file because wrench doesn't work.

Once wrench works this will be pretty easy though.


- John

> Citando John Lee <john_lee at openmoko.com>:
> 
> > On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 08:36:53AM -0800, Martin Benz wrote:
> >>
> >> Read the bugreport:
> >>
> >> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1767
> >>
> >> So we have a slow illume-theme with rasters keyboard or a fast asu-theme
> >> without an usable keyboard (especially for non-engish users)...
> >>
> >> Maybe i'll try to hack the edj-file, did manage to get the qwerty-menu back
> >> in the wrench, but messing around with the keyboard only gave me errors when
> >> running build.sh...
> >>
> >> (See Method 2 from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Toggle)
> >>
> >> cheers
> >> Martin
> >
> > actually it's quite easy to bring back the wrench and the qwerty
> > buttons in asu theme.  it's not the real issue though.
> >
> > wrench:  it's a gadget to put on the illume 'shelf'.  so just add it
> > back into the config then it will show up.  something like this
> > (haven't tested):
> >
> > Index: illume-theme-asu/config/e.src
> > ===================================================================
> > --- illume-theme-asu/config/e.src	(revision 4796)
> > +++ illume-theme-asu/config/e.src	(working copy)
> > @@ -428,6 +428,24 @@
> >            value "resizable" uchar: 0;
> >          }
> >        }
> > +      group "clients" list {
> > +        group "E_Config_Gadcon_Client" struct {
> > +          value "name" string: "configuration";
> > +          value "id" string: "configuration";
> > +          value "geom.pos" int: 0;
> > +          value "geom.size" int: 32;
> > +          value "geom.res" int: 472;
> > +          value "geom.pos_x" double: 0.0000000000000000000000000;
> > +          value "geom.pos_y" double: 0.0000000000000000000000000;
> > +          value "geom.size_w" double: 0.0000000000000000000000000;
> > +          value "geom.size_h" double: 0.0000000000000000000000000;
> > +          value "state_info.seq" int: 1;
> > +          value "state_info.flags" int: 1;
> > +          value "style" string: "plain";
> > +          value "autoscroll" uchar: 0;
> > +          value "resizable" uchar: 0;
> > +        }
> > +      }
> >      }
> >    }
> >    value "font_hinting" int: 0;
> >
> > qwerty:  enable it in the theme.
> >
> > Index: illume-theme-asu/misc-data/asu/freerunner.edc
> > ===================================================================
> > --- illume-theme-asu/misc-data/asu/freerunner.edc	(revision 4796)
> > +++ illume-theme-asu/misc-data/asu/freerunner.edc	(working copy)
> > @@ -1575,8 +1575,8 @@
> >  	    type: RECT;
> >  	    mouse_events: 1;
> >  	    description { state: "default" 0.0;
> > -//	       visible: 1;
> > -	       visible: 0; // sean wants it gone. don't look at me.
> > +	       visible: 1;
> > +//	       visible: 0; // sean wants it gone. don't look at me.
> >  	       color: 0 0 0 0;
> >                 rel1 {
> >  		  to_y: "e.swallow.content";
> > @@ -1585,8 +1585,8 @@
> >  	       rel2 {
> >  		  to_x: "kbdtext";
> >  		  to_y: "e.swallow.content";
> > -//		  relative: 1.0 1.0;
> > -		  relative: 0.0 1.0; // sean wants it gone. don't look at me.
> > +		  relative: 1.0 1.0;
> > +//		  relative: 0.0 1.0; // sean wants it gone. don't look at me.
> >  		  offset: -1 -1;
> >  	       }
> >  	    }
> > @@ -1595,8 +1595,8 @@
> >  	    type: TEXT;
> >  	    mouse_events: 0;
> >              description { state: "default" 0.0;
> > -//	       visible: 1;
> > -	       visible: 0; // sean wants it gone. don't look at me.
> > +	       visible: 1;
> > +//	       visible: 0; // sean wants it gone. don't look at me.
> >  	       align: 0.0 1.0;
> >  	       fixed: 1 1;
> >  	       rel1 {
> >
> >
> > the real problem is, after you click on the wrench, it will show the
> > config menu, but click on any one of them will give you black screen.
> > probably black fonts on black background.  I hope someone can find out
> > what went wrong because I don't have time to work on it.
> >
> >
> > - John
> >
> >> Vasco N?voa wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I've been trying the "illume" (gray) theme with the testing image, and
> >> > it is badly broken - Enlightenment keeps crashing at random moments
> >> > for reasons unknown.
> >> > I gave up on trying to have illume's keyboard, and reverted to the
> >> > original "asu" (black) theme. The qtopian keyboard sucks, but at least
> >> > everything else rocks.
> >> >
> >> > I find it very strange that the whole image works so solidly with the
> >> > "asu" theme and is so flakey with the "illume" theme...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Citando Vasco N?voa <vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt>:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Citando William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:
> >> >>> And also yes, I have modified 89qtopia - but it doesn't seem to have
> >> >>> much of an effect :(
> >> >> I found out how my illume keyboard went missing. From the wiki:
> >> >> edit '/etc/enlightenment/default_profile' to use illume theme
> >> >> instead of 'asu'
> >> >> So, if you just want to get rid of it, replace illume with asu inside
> >> >> /etc/enlightenment/default_profile ...
> >> >> But if you want to keep it exclusively for the terminal, I don't know
> >> >> how...
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
> 
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From steve at openmoko.com  Fri Dec  5 06:04:43 2008
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:04:43 -0800
Subject: Funding Global Domination
In-Reply-To: <200812041429.19957.tanuva@gmail.com>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4937A1BB.9090307@djdas.net> <4937D9DC.4000306@openmoko.com>
	<200812041429.19957.tanuva@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4938B66B.6060607@openmoko.com>

  Let me look into doing this on cafepress.

Marcel wrote:
> That would be soo geeky, great idea! :D
> 
> --
> Marcel
> 
> Am Thursday 04 December 2008 14:23:40 schrieb Steve Mosher:
>> please do.
>>
>> DJDAS wrote:
>>> Arigead ha scritto:
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>
>>>> Minh Ha Duong wrote:
>>>>> Le mercredi 03 d?cembre 2008, arne anka a ?crit :
>>>>>>>> The second option is more like it. It takes a few hours to design a
>>>>>>>> T-Shirt
>>>>>>>> and upload it to an online store where everybody else can go and buy
>>>>>>>> it. So
>>>>>>>> just do it: the entry costs are so low that there is no real need
>>>>>>>> for a formal market study !
>>>>> Rui: There are lots of cool artwork under a Cc: license on the wiki
>>>>> including the hardware schematics and
>>> What about making a T-shirt with the hardware schematics? ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> community at lists.openmoko.org
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>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
> 



From john_lee at openmoko.com  Fri Dec  5 06:05:19 2008
From: john_lee at openmoko.com (John Lee)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:05:19 +0800
Subject: [OM2008.x] praise for the new testing image
In-Reply-To: <20081204180504.37293s6yf07a9ya8@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
References: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<20081203115806.1272344klrgwv6tq@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<op.ullrmax6j0u8pj@vadim> <gh83pp$9cj$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<20081204180504.37293s6yf07a9ya8@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <20081205050519.GS4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>

On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 06:05:04PM +0000, Vasco N?voa wrote:
> Yes, that's how I get my ballance... it's the operator that  
> automatically sends it at hangup.
> I confirm that the dialer exits when we try to do it upon request...

I would like to know how many people need this.  My resource for
qtopia is very limited and I need to decide what to fix first.


- John

> Citando "Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o)" <mail at 3v1n0.net>:
> 
> > Vadim, Efimov wrote:
> >>> Another 2 positive points I forgot to mention:
> >>> - the UCSD messages are now correctly displayed (yay, I can see my
> >>> account balance!!)
> >> how? i "call" *102# and dialer just disappear...
> >
> > I figure that actually only the ones sent by operator (with no an
> > explicit request, i.e. after a call) are working.
> > There's an issue while placing an USSD request...
> >
> > --
> > Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux
> > http://www.3v1n0.net/
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
> 
> 
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From steve at openmoko.com  Fri Dec  5 06:05:45 2008
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:05:45 -0800
Subject: Funding Global Domination
In-Reply-To: <4937DC02.5060400@djdas.net>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>	<op.ulk14r0j41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>	<200812031838.05799.haduong@centre-cired.fr>	<49371D01.7080101@gmail.com>	<4937A1BB.9090307@djdas.net>	<4937D9DC.4000306@openmoko.com>
	<4937DC02.5060400@djdas.net>
Message-ID: <4938B6A9.8020709@openmoko.com>

use cafepress, when I tried to get this going internally that was my choice.

DJDAS wrote:
> Steve Mosher ha scritto:
>> please do.
>>
>> DJDAS wrote:
>>   
>>> What about making a T-shirt with the hardware schematics? ;)
> 
> Well :) I'm a bit practical with The Gimp, I'll try to do something in 
> the weekend, in the meantime I accept suggestions for the file format, 
> size, color numbers and so on so I'll have some guides before doing any 
> work...Never made a T-shirt before :P
> Bye!
> 
> 
> 
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From evadim at evadim.ru  Fri Dec  5 06:41:21 2008
From: evadim at evadim.ru (Vadim, Efimov)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:41:21 +0300
Subject: [OM2008.x] praise for the new testing image
In-Reply-To: <20081205050519.GS4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
References: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<20081203115806.1272344klrgwv6tq@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<op.ullrmax6j0u8pj@vadim> <gh83pp$9cj$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<20081204180504.37293s6yf07a9ya8@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<20081205050519.GS4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <op.ulocq705j0u8pj@vadim>

On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:05:19 +0300, John Lee <john_lee at openmoko.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 06:05:04PM +0000, Vasco N?voa wrote:
>> Yes, that's how I get my ballance... it's the operator that
>> automatically sends it at hangup.
>> I confirm that the dialer exits when we try to do it upon request...
>
> I would like to know how many people need this.  My resource for
> qtopia is very limited and I need to decide what to fix first.
>
>
> - John
>
mmm... how many people need USSD ? In Russia it is difficult get
balance other way, and the USSD-message comes in cyrillic letters.
also, we have many services via USSD... but, i'm  not know
how many freerunners sold in Russia. at least 20-30.



From vlado at moko.ksp.sk  Fri Dec  5 07:29:59 2008
From: vlado at moko.ksp.sk (Vladimir Koutny)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:29:59 +0100
Subject: Where can I find this game?
In-Reply-To: <gh9vf9$mj1$2@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gh9vf9$mj1$2@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4938CA67.10501@moko.ksp.sk>

http://www.openttd.org/

I'm just not sure how playable this one will be on such a small display :(

Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote:
> Oh, I've found one of the games I've played more when I was young :P
> "screenshotted" on scap [1].
> Now I forgot its name, where can I find it? :) Maybe I've some saves
> around too...! ;)
> 
> 
> [1] http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a2cb0faac134c6ba717ab4bhc6.png
> 




From benson at gmx.ch  Fri Dec  5 07:36:26 2008
From: benson at gmx.ch (Martin Benz)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 22:36:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Where can I find this game?
In-Reply-To: <gh9vf9$mj1$2@ger.gmane.org>
References: <gh9vf9$mj1$2@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1228458986994-1617217.post@n2.nabble.com>


Yeah played that too a long time ago... :)

That's "Transport Tycoon" - or the opensource clone "Simutrans".
http://www.simutrans.com/

It would be awesome if there was a package or source for our neo...

cheers
Martin


Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote:
> 
> Oh, I've found one of the games I've played more when I was young :P
> "screenshotted" on scap [1].
> Now I forgot its name, where can I find it? :) Maybe I've some saves
> around too...! ;)
> 
> 
> [1]
> http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a2cb0faac134c6ba717ab4bhc6.png
> 
> -- 
> Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux
> http://www.3v1n0.net/
> 
> 
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
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From alishams at interchange.ubc.ca  Fri Dec  5 07:49:48 2008
From: alishams at interchange.ubc.ca (Alishams)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:49:48 -0800
Subject: Where can I find this game?
In-Reply-To: <26462_1228459011_1228459011_1228458986994-1617217.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <gh9vf9$mj1$2@ger.gmane.org>
	<26462_1228459011_1228459011_1228458986994-1617217.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1228459788.6861.9.camel@Mzero620>

There is definatly an ipk, if after intense googling you cannot find it,
post again and i'll possibly (if i can find it) upload it somewhere.
Once you install you also need openttd data to have a playable game,
there are places that host a .zip (if I'm remembering things right). It
is a touch hard to play with things so small, but very playable with a
stylus.
On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 22:36 -0800, Martin Benz wrote:
> Yeah played that too a long time ago... :)
> 
> That's "Transport Tycoon" - or the opensource clone "Simutrans".
> http://www.simutrans.com/
> 
> It would be awesome if there was a package or source for our neo...
> 
> cheers
> Martin
> 
> 
> Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote:
> > 
> > Oh, I've found one of the games I've played more when I was young :P
> > "screenshotted" on scap [1].
> > Now I forgot its name, where can I find it? :) Maybe I've some saves
> > around too...! ;)
> > 
> > 
> > [1]
> > http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a2cb0faac134c6ba717ab4bhc6.png
> > 
> > -- 
> > Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux
> > http://www.3v1n0.net/
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> > 
> > 
> 




From billk at iinet.net.au  Fri Dec  5 08:21:47 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:21:47 +0900
Subject: ntpd status?
Message-ID: <1228461707.14906.2.camel@rattus>

How can I find the status for a running ntpd?

On desktops, I use "ntpq", but this doesnt seem available on the FR - I
have ntp, ntpdate and ntp-utils installed so far.

grepping the logread for ntp messages isnt enough to see whats going
on :(

BillK


-- 
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Home in Perth!




From rakshat at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 08:22:30 2008
From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:52:30 +0530
Subject: 5 Freerunners for a discounted price (India)
Message-ID: <69a2e4550812042322s190edfc1s5c3226a15f275574@mail.gmail.com>

In India we had sent out a few Freerunners as review samples to a number of
magazines and websites and have received 5 of these back now. We plan to
make these available at a 25% discounted price to students/ hobby linux
developers in India. The Freerunners have been checked and refurbished and
come a 30 day return policy against Hardware defects. We will also send a
note stating which magazine your Freerunner was sent for review to along
with the shipment

The Price is Rs 16500 inclusive of CST and Blue Dart insured shipping in
India. ( $325 Approx)

The special price is only for these 5 Freerunners and our normal price
remains at Rs 22000. Contact me directly if you are interested.

Also check out the December issue of Linux for You. Edgar has done the cover
story on the Freerunner based on a phone he bought (not a review sample).

Rakshat

rakshat at idasystems dot net

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From cedric.berger74 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 09:04:49 2008
From: cedric.berger74 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E9dric_Berger?=)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:04:49 +0100
Subject: [android] Maps application
Message-ID: <bff0f0570812050004i47c149ach1bbddb33fbe6a0ba@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
Is the Android Maps application available somewhere ?

I installed the Maps.apk I got from the Emulator.
It also needs /system/framework/com.google.android.maps.jar   (I also
pulled it from Emulator)

- are there legal issues to distribute them ?

- I still have no internet connectivity so could not try much, but it
seems to work, I can navigate and zoom.... in empty map screen.

- I finally got a GPS fix ! (but I really miss a simple GPS
application to see basic GPS data.)
But Maps crashes as soon as GPS has got a fix. ( ClassCastException
when trying to locate on map). I lost my log file so I need to do
another test (and get a fix) to get the exact class....
Any idea ? :



From timo.lindfors at iki.fi  Fri Dec  5 09:36:06 2008
From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:36:06 +0200
Subject: ntpd status?
In-Reply-To: <1228461707.14906.2.camel@rattus> (William Kenworthy's message of
	"Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:21:47 +0900")
References: <1228461707.14906.2.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <84oczrdnnt.fsf@sauna.l.org>

William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> writes:
> On desktops, I use "ntpq", but this doesnt seem available on the FR - I
> have ntp, ntpdate and ntp-utils installed so far.

Which distro are you using? ntpq is available on debian armel in the
'ntp' package.





From aapo.rantalainen at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 09:45:40 2008
From: aapo.rantalainen at gmail.com (Aapo Rantalainen)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:45:40 +0200
Subject: Where can I find this game?
Message-ID: <d67d61f10812050045i5cd5060ydcb9c67c37c0f444@mail.gmail.com>

I tested openTTD in last summer on my Debian freerunner. Then it needs
one-mouse-button-patch, but I think it is now merged to official.
(somewhere in options-menu).
Game was playable, when TransportTycoon deluxe was released all
monitors are 640x480.
Network-multiplaying works. Sound effects works, midi-audio didn't work.

Packaging it is hard, because it needs propriety-data-files. (ok,
debian etc. has packed it) But they are making also gpl-ed data-files,
I do not know how ready this project is.

-Aapo Rantalainen



From cyberfrag at gmx.net  Fri Dec  5 10:28:48 2008
From: cyberfrag at gmx.net (Andreas Fischer)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:28:48 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
Message-ID: <4938F450.5060807@gmx.net>

Hi All,

During today's upgrade I encountered the following error:

 * ERROR: The following packages conflict with openmoko-phoneprofile-data:
         *  qtopia-phone-x11-profile-data *

How should I proceed? Uninstall one of these?

Regards,
Andreas

John Lee wrote:
> Dear Community,
> 
> As Sushama (our new testing team member) indicated in
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003493.html ,
> we won't have a release in Nov.  Currently the testing team is going
> to do a full test on the latest testing image.  It has all the goodies
> we did and a lot of improvements over Om2008.9, so please try it and
> report any error you find.
> 
> 
> Upgrade howto:
> 
>>From Om2008.9 it's recommanded to upgrade with the following steps:
> 
> sed -i -e 's%Om2008.8%testing%' /etc/opkg/*.conf
> /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop
> screen -DR
> opkg update
> opkg -force-overwrite upgrade
> # (please ans Y to all questions)
> # (the sshd (dropbear) will restart, so you need to reconnect and do
> # 'screen -DR' again)
> opkg upgrade
> shutdown -r now
> 
> To get the fastest boot time you also need to remove the following
> packages:
> 
> opkg remove task-base-nfs task-base-smbfs task-base-bluetooth \
> task-base-usbgadget avahi-daemon avahi-autoipd blueprobe \
> usb-gadget-mode portmap exquisite exquisite-theme-freerunner \
> exquisite-themes
> 
> 
> Known issues:
> 
> * GTK redraw problem
> * some obsolete kernel modules still left in system
> * must remove 'ro' in kernel boot parameter if you use sd boot.
> * will purge your incompatible e config, so you might need to set
>   stuffs like suspend time again.
> 
> 
> Echo:
> 
> Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's
> impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models.
> However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your
> neo.  My way is to adjust
> control.4 Speaker Playback Volume in
> /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state
> 
> the max value is 127, 95 works best on my a5.  With volume level 3 or
> 4 in qtopia dialer, the other side can hear no echo while I get good
> audio quality.
> 
> 
> Team update:
> 
> Tick helped to put his touchscreen improvement into stable-tracking,
> he will work on opkg internals next.  Olv moved to look into kernel
> and fso.  Erin will try bluetooth.  Julian is working on the GTK
> redraw issue, please help him out.  Jeremy will fix some qtopia bugs
> and keep working on suspend/resume issues.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> John
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community




From brenda_wang at openmoko.com  Fri Dec  5 10:42:36 2008
From: brenda_wang at openmoko.com (BrendaWang)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:42:36 +0800
Subject: Take off navigation box 's item of wiki
Message-ID: <4938F78C.7030801@openmoko.com>

Dear community and documentation team:

During these past two weeks, I had invited many people to write
introduction page on wiki.
I am really thankful for their great work and for their help .

Now , I have put most of the projects detail of opkg.org introduction
site at following link:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications

So, I have taken off the opkg link of navigation box on Wiki. You will
be able to use Application page to find many useful application for Neo.
Feel free to use this page , and I continuously invite people to write
their project introduction page for wiki.

In the future, if you have any other interesting program/application,
please feel free to add it on the page.

Thanks for your great support & for your help!


Brenda









From billk at iinet.net.au  Fri Dec  5 10:51:49 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:51:49 +0900
Subject: ntpd status?
In-Reply-To: <84oczrdnnt.fsf@sauna.l.org>
References: <1228461707.14906.2.camel@rattus>  <84oczrdnnt.fsf@sauna.l.org>
Message-ID: <1228470709.14906.4.camel@rattus>

2008.9 - if it was a normal distro it would be easy.

BillK

On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 10:36 +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> writes:
> > On desktops, I use "ntpq", but this doesnt seem available on the FR - I
> > have ntp, ntpdate and ntp-utils installed so far.
> 
> Which distro are you using? ntpq is available on debian armel in the
> 'ntp' package.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Home in Perth!




From brenda_wang at openmoko.com  Fri Dec  5 10:55:51 2008
From: brenda_wang at openmoko.com (BrendaWang)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:55:51 +0800
Subject: Where can I find this game?
In-Reply-To: <d67d61f10812050045i5cd5060ydcb9c67c37c0f444@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d67d61f10812050045i5cd5060ydcb9c67c37c0f444@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4938FAA7.3030609@openmoko.com>

Can any body put this game's introduction page on wik?
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications
That will be great.

Brenda
Aapo Rantalainen ??:
> I tested openTTD in last summer on my Debian freerunner. Then it needs
> one-mouse-button-patch, but I think it is now merged to official.
> (somewhere in options-menu).
> Game was playable, when TransportTycoon deluxe was released all
> monitors are 640x480.
> Network-multiplaying works. Sound effects works, midi-audio didn't work.
>
> Packaging it is hard, because it needs propriety-data-files. (ok,
> debian etc. has packed it) But they are making also gpl-ed data-files,
> I do not know how ready this project is.
>
> -Aapo Rantalainen
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>   




From brenda_wang at openmoko.com  Fri Dec  5 11:14:57 2008
From: brenda_wang at openmoko.com (BrendaWang)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:14:57 +0800
Subject: OpenMooCow 0.2
In-Reply-To: <20081127200245.645fb0cf.taw27@cam.ac.uk>
References: <20081127200245.645fb0cf.taw27@cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4938FF21.5000506@openmoko.com>

Can I invite you to put this on wiki?
Like other ?
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications#Games

Brenda

Thomas White ??:
> While waiting for the Christmas puddings to cook this afternoon, I've
> been making a few updates to OpenMooCow.  You can get version 0.2 from
> the same place as before:
> http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~taw27/openmoko/openmoocow/
>
> Changes since version 0.1 are:
>
> - Moos when tilted either up or down (not just after tilting both ways
> like before). This seems to be what people expect, even though it's not
> quite what I remember genuine mooboxes doing.
>
> - The packaging has been fixed to depend on the things it needs.
>
> - You can now press the cow to make her moo.
>
> - Mooing still occurs even if the graphics can't be shown.  Run the
> following on a terminal and your Freerunner will be mooing until the
> next reboot: $ nohup openmoocow &
>
> And some improvements "under the hood":
>
> - It should behave a little better if the accelerometers are "sticky".
>
> - Code simplified and altered to make it easier to add support for
> other types of accelerometer.
>
> OpenMooCow won't alter your accelerometer parameters in any way,
> so you might have a configuration which it doesn't like.  In particular,
> the threshold setting can cause problems.  If this happens to you, try
> this: # echo "0" > /sys/devices/platform/lis302dl.2/threshold
>
> Comments or abuse to this address as ever,
>
> Tom
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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>   




From john_lee at openmoko.com  Fri Dec  5 11:21:16 2008
From: john_lee at openmoko.com (John Lee)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:21:16 +0800
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <4938F450.5060807@gmx.net>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost> <4938F450.5060807@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20081205102116.GV4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>

On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 10:28:48AM +0100, Andreas Fischer wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> During today's upgrade I encountered the following error:
> 
>  * ERROR: The following packages conflict with openmoko-phoneprofile-data:
>          *  qtopia-phone-x11-profile-data *
> 
> How should I proceed? Uninstall one of these?

remove qtopia-phone-x11-profile-data and install
openmoko-phoneprofile-data

openmoko-phoneprofile-data is already in Om2008.9 so I wonder why you
have qtopia-phone-x11-profile-data installed.



> 
> Regards,
> Andreas
> 
> John Lee wrote:
> > Dear Community,
> > 
> > As Sushama (our new testing team member) indicated in
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003493.html ,
> > we won't have a release in Nov.  Currently the testing team is going
> > to do a full test on the latest testing image.  It has all the goodies
> > we did and a lot of improvements over Om2008.9, so please try it and
> > report any error you find.
> > 
> > 
> > Upgrade howto:
> > 
> >>From Om2008.9 it's recommanded to upgrade with the following steps:
> > 
> > sed -i -e 's%Om2008.8%testing%' /etc/opkg/*.conf
> > /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop
> > screen -DR
> > opkg update
> > opkg -force-overwrite upgrade
> > # (please ans Y to all questions)
> > # (the sshd (dropbear) will restart, so you need to reconnect and do
> > # 'screen -DR' again)
> > opkg upgrade
> > shutdown -r now
> > 
> > To get the fastest boot time you also need to remove the following
> > packages:
> > 
> > opkg remove task-base-nfs task-base-smbfs task-base-bluetooth \
> > task-base-usbgadget avahi-daemon avahi-autoipd blueprobe \
> > usb-gadget-mode portmap exquisite exquisite-theme-freerunner \
> > exquisite-themes
> > 
> > 
> > Known issues:
> > 
> > * GTK redraw problem
> > * some obsolete kernel modules still left in system
> > * must remove 'ro' in kernel boot parameter if you use sd boot.
> > * will purge your incompatible e config, so you might need to set
> >   stuffs like suspend time again.
> > 
> > 
> > Echo:
> > 
> > Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's
> > impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models.
> > However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your
> > neo.  My way is to adjust
> > control.4 Speaker Playback Volume in
> > /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state
> > 
> > the max value is 127, 95 works best on my a5.  With volume level 3 or
> > 4 in qtopia dialer, the other side can hear no echo while I get good
> > audio quality.
> > 
> > 
> > Team update:
> > 
> > Tick helped to put his touchscreen improvement into stable-tracking,
> > he will work on opkg internals next.  Olv moved to look into kernel
> > and fso.  Erin will try bluetooth.  Julian is working on the GTK
> > redraw issue, please help him out.  Jeremy will fix some qtopia bugs
> > and keep working on suspend/resume issues.
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > John
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



From cyberfrag at gmx.net  Fri Dec  5 12:00:47 2008
From: cyberfrag at gmx.net (Andreas Fischer)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:00:47 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <20081205102116.GV4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost> <4938F450.5060807@gmx.net>
	<20081205102116.GV4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <493909DF.6000801@gmx.net>

John Lee wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 10:28:48AM +0100, Andreas Fischer wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> During today's upgrade I encountered the following error:
>>
>>  * ERROR: The following packages conflict with openmoko-phoneprofile-data:
>>          *  qtopia-phone-x11-profile-data *
>>
>> How should I proceed? Uninstall one of these?
> 
> remove qtopia-phone-x11-profile-data and install
> openmoko-phoneprofile-data

That seemed to work. Thank you.

> openmoko-phoneprofile-data is already in Om2008.9 so I wonder why you
> have qtopia-phone-x11-profile-data installed.

I have no idea, actually. Maybe some remnant of an update? I certainly
didn't install it on purpose...

Regards,
Andreas

>> Regards,
>> Andreas
>>
>> John Lee wrote:
>>> Dear Community,
>>>
>>> As Sushama (our new testing team member) indicated in
>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003493.html ,
>>> we won't have a release in Nov.  Currently the testing team is going
>>> to do a full test on the latest testing image.  It has all the goodies
>>> we did and a lot of improvements over Om2008.9, so please try it and
>>> report any error you find.
>>>
>>>
>>> Upgrade howto:
>>>
>>> >From Om2008.9 it's recommanded to upgrade with the following steps:
>>>
>>> sed -i -e 's%Om2008.8%testing%' /etc/opkg/*.conf
>>> /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop
>>> screen -DR
>>> opkg update
>>> opkg -force-overwrite upgrade
>>> # (please ans Y to all questions)
>>> # (the sshd (dropbear) will restart, so you need to reconnect and do
>>> # 'screen -DR' again)
>>> opkg upgrade
>>> shutdown -r now
>>>
>>> To get the fastest boot time you also need to remove the following
>>> packages:
>>>
>>> opkg remove task-base-nfs task-base-smbfs task-base-bluetooth \
>>> task-base-usbgadget avahi-daemon avahi-autoipd blueprobe \
>>> usb-gadget-mode portmap exquisite exquisite-theme-freerunner \
>>> exquisite-themes
>>>
>>>
>>> Known issues:
>>>
>>> * GTK redraw problem
>>> * some obsolete kernel modules still left in system
>>> * must remove 'ro' in kernel boot parameter if you use sd boot.
>>> * will purge your incompatible e config, so you might need to set
>>>   stuffs like suspend time again.
>>>
>>>
>>> Echo:
>>>
>>> Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's
>>> impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models.
>>> However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your
>>> neo.  My way is to adjust
>>> control.4 Speaker Playback Volume in
>>> /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state
>>>
>>> the max value is 127, 95 works best on my a5.  With volume level 3 or
>>> 4 in qtopia dialer, the other side can hear no echo while I get good
>>> audio quality.
>>>
>>>
>>> Team update:
>>>
>>> Tick helped to put his touchscreen improvement into stable-tracking,
>>> he will work on opkg internals next.  Olv moved to look into kernel
>>> and fso.  Erin will try bluetooth.  Julian is working on the GTK
>>> redraw issue, please help him out.  Jeremy will fix some qtopia bugs
>>> and keep working on suspend/resume issues.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> John
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Openmoko community mailing list
>>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community




From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt  Fri Dec  5 12:42:44 2008
From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (Vasco =?iso-8859-15?b?Tul2b2E=?=)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:42:44 +0000
Subject: [OM2008.8][testing] qpe no longer respects QTOPIA_PHONE_DEVICE ?
Message-ID: <20081205114244.55652l6cq78waqb8@w0.mail.sapo.pt>


After today's testing upgrade, QPE is ignoring env var  
QTOPIA_PHONE_DEVICE and going right for "/dev/ttySAC0" instead of a  
/dev/pts* like I want it to.
What is the new way to make it pick another device?
Surely you devs haven't forgotten there are people using gsm0710muxd?...



From billk at iinet.net.au  Fri Dec  5 12:51:14 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:51:14 +0900
Subject: [OM2008.8][testing] qpe no longer respects QTOPIA_PHONE_DEVICE ?
In-Reply-To: <20081205114244.55652l6cq78waqb8@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
References: <20081205114244.55652l6cq78waqb8@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <1228477874.14906.27.camel@rattus>

I'm also noticing today that the batget utility is blocking (using top),
sometimes several instances get caught up and the phone starts to slow.
removed the battery module (its utterly useless in illume anyway) and
things run much better.

Overall though, there are fewer problems than 2008.9 :)

BillK

On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 11:42 +0000, Vasco N?voa wrote:
> After today's testing upgrade, QPE is ignoring env var  
> QTOPIA_PHONE_DEVICE and going right for "/dev/ttySAC0" instead of a  
> /dev/pts* like I want it to.
> What is the new way to make it pick another device?
> Surely you devs haven't forgotten there are people using gsm0710muxd?...
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
-- 
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Home in Perth!




From cedric.berger74 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 13:01:42 2008
From: cedric.berger74 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E9dric_Berger?=)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:01:42 +0100
Subject: [android] Maps application
In-Reply-To: <bff0f0570812050004i47c149ach1bbddb33fbe6a0ba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bff0f0570812050004i47c149ach1bbddb33fbe6a0ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bff0f0570812050401o5d5dd319v16aadcac61d86b7f@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 09:04, C?dric Berger <cedric.berger74 at gmail.com> wrote:
> - I finally got a GPS fix ! (but I really miss a simple GPS
> application to see basic GPS data.)
> But Maps crashes as soon as GPS has got a fix. ( ClassCastException
> when trying to locate on map). I lost my log file so I need to do
> another test (and get a fix) to get the exact class....
> Any idea ? :
>

Finally got the log when trying to locate  :

/AndroidRuntime( 5729): Shutting down VM
W/dalvikvm( 5729): threadid=3: thread exiting with uncaught exception
(group=0x40010e28)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): Uncaught handler: thread main exiting due to
uncaught exception
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): java.lang.ClassCastException:
android.graphics.drawable.BitmapDrawable
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at
com.google.android.maps.MyLocationOverlay.getLocationDot(MyLocationOverlay.java:179)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at
com.google.android.maps.MyLocationOverlay.drawMyLocation(MyLocationOverlay.java:541)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at
com.google.android.maps.MyLocationOverlay.draw(MyLocationOverlay.java:491)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at
com.google.android.maps.OverlayBundle.draw(OverlayBundle.java:45)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at
com.google.android.maps.MapView.onDraw(MapView.java:451)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at android.view.View.draw(View.java:5352)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at
android.view.ViewGroup.drawChild(ViewGroup.java:1436)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at
android.view.ViewGroup.dispatchDraw(ViewGroup.java:1208)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at
android.view.ViewGroup.drawChild(ViewGroup.java:1434)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at
android.view.ViewGroup.dispatchDraw(ViewGroup.java:1208)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at
android.view.ViewGroup.drawChild(ViewGroup.java:1434)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at
android.view.ViewGroup.dispatchDraw(ViewGroup.java:1208)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at android.view.View.draw(View.java:5355)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at
android.widget.FrameLayout.draw(FrameLayout.java:324)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at
com.android.internal.policy.impl.PhoneWindow$DecorView.draw(PhoneWindow.java:1701)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at android.view.ViewRoot.draw(ViewRoot.java:980)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at
android.view.ViewRoot.performTraversals(ViewRoot.java:829)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at
android.view.ViewRoot.handleMessage(ViewRoot.java:1103)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at android.os.Handler.dispatchMessage(Handler.java:88)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at android.os.Looper.loop(Looper.java:123)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at
android.app.ActivityThread.main(ActivityThread.java:3742)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at
java.lang.reflect.Method.invokeNative(Native Method)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:515)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at
com.android.internal.os.ZygoteInit$MethodAndArgsCaller.run(ZygoteInit.java:739)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at
com.android.internal.os.ZygoteInit.main(ZygoteInit.java:497)
E/AndroidRuntime( 5729): 	at dalvik.system.NativeStart.main(Native Method)
I/Process (  869): Sending signal. PID: 5729 SIG: 3
I/dalvikvm( 5729): threadid=7: reacting to signal 3
I/dalvikvm( 5729): Wrote stack trace to '/data/anr/traces.txt'







- Note that I also have a lot of these logs. Maybe "normal" since I
have no connection so no map tiles available, but it should not try
(and fail) to show empty tiles...

D/skia    ( 5729): xxxxxxxxxxx jpeg error 53 Not a JPEG file: starts
with 0x%02x 0x%02x
E/MapView ( 5729): IllegalStateException on drawMap. Wiping cache.
E/MapView ( 5729): java.lang.IllegalStateException: Null
Bitmap!/loading_tile.png=17301864
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at
com.google.common.graphics.android.AndroidImage.<init>(Unknown Source)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at
com.google.common.graphics.android.AndroidImageFactory.createImage(Unknown
Source)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at com.google.googlenav.map.MapTile.c(Unknown Source)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at com.google.googlenav.map.MapTile.getImage(Unknown Source)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at com.google.googlenav.map.Map.a(Unknown Source)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at com.google.googlenav.map.Map.drawMap(Unknown Source)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at com.google.android.maps.MapView.drawMap(MapView.java:997)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at com.google.android.maps.MapView.onDraw(MapView.java:443)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at android.view.View.draw(View.java:5352)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at android.view.ViewGroup.drawChild(ViewGroup.java:1436)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at android.view.ViewGroup.dispatchDraw(ViewGroup.java:1208)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at android.view.ViewGroup.drawChild(ViewGroup.java:1434)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at android.view.ViewGroup.dispatchDraw(ViewGroup.java:1208)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at android.view.ViewGroup.drawChild(ViewGroup.java:1434)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at android.view.ViewGroup.dispatchDraw(ViewGroup.java:1208)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at android.view.View.draw(View.java:5355)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at android.widget.FrameLayout.draw(FrameLayout.java:324)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at
com.android.internal.policy.impl.PhoneWindow$DecorView.draw(PhoneWindow.java:1701)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at android.view.ViewRoot.draw(ViewRoot.java:980)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at
android.view.ViewRoot.performTraversals(ViewRoot.java:829)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at android.view.ViewRoot.handleMessage(ViewRoot.java:1103)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at android.os.Handler.dispatchMessage(Handler.java:88)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at android.os.Looper.loop(Looper.java:123)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at android.app.ActivityThread.main(ActivityThread.java:3742)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at java.lang.reflect.Method.invokeNative(Native Method)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:515)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at
com.android.internal.os.ZygoteInit$MethodAndArgsCaller.run(ZygoteInit.java:739)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at
com.android.internal.os.ZygoteInit.main(ZygoteInit.java:497)
E/MapView ( 5729): 	at dalvik.system.NativeStart.main(Native Method)



From anthropophagite at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 13:10:40 2008
From: anthropophagite at gmail.com (Evgeny Karyakin)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:10:40 +0300
Subject: [OM2008.x] praise for the new testing image
In-Reply-To: <op.ulocq705j0u8pj@vadim>
References: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<20081203115806.1272344klrgwv6tq@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<op.ullrmax6j0u8pj@vadim> <gh83pp$9cj$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<20081204180504.37293s6yf07a9ya8@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<20081205050519.GS4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
	<op.ulocq705j0u8pj@vadim>
Message-ID: <867b5c700812050410j72b0319at5f49b6bcac7af567@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/5 Vadim, Efimov <evadim at evadim.ru>:
> On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:05:19 +0300, John Lee <john_lee at openmoko.com> wrote:
>> I would like to know how many people need this.  My resource for
>> qtopia is very limited and I need to decide what to fix first.
>>
> mmm... how many people need USSD ? In Russia it is difficult get
> balance other way, and the USSD-message comes in cyrillic letters.
> also, we have many services via USSD... but, i'm  not know
> how many freerunners sold in Russia. at least 20-30.

   There was a useful message[1] in openmoko-russia Google Groups list
from Pavel Fertser, which essentially said:

1) First open one console and say:
# mdbus -s -l org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
It will log everything device receiving.

2) Then issue following command in another console:
# mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.SendUssdRequest "*102#"

3) You should see network's answer in first window.
Replace "*102#" with a sequence of your GSM operator.

[1] http://groups.google.ru/group/openmoko-russia/msg/8018ee80bc2fab7a



From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Fri Dec  5 13:46:26 2008
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:46:26 +0100
Subject: microsSD doesn't mount any more!
Message-ID: <3494db260812050446s66ef9d5eo9c34c8669f2c5d51@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Group,

I know that this topic isn't new to that list but after spending a lot of
time searching the archives, I decided to re-initiate it cause didn't find a
solution and got rather confused :(

I recently installed a new Transcend microSD 8GB card and FR did recognize
it without any problem! I then tried debian on FR, and the card was
partitioned accordingly! After that, needed the card for soemthing else, did
re-partition it on a debian box (fdisk, mkfs) and when I re-inserted in FR
it doesn't get recognised any more!

When in BootLoader, shows that there is a card of 3MB!!!! and when I boot
with the latest 2008.9 jffs I get following dmesg output:

....
[   30.365000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 8
[   34.830000] FAT: bogus logical sector size 65535
[   34.830000] VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev mmcblk0.
[   34.840000] FAT: bogus logical sector size 65535
[   34.840000] VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev mmcblk0.
....

I know that other people had similar or exactly the same problem but
couldn't figure out if they found a solution to that.

Any help is much appreciated.

Thanks

Tony
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From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Fri Dec  5 13:48:04 2008
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:48:04 +0100
Subject: [latest 2008.9] USB issues?
In-Reply-To: <20081204061332.GN4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
References: <3494db260812020934l17c1458dxa1fdefd177d5678a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081204061332.GN4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <3494db260812050448w5fb390f2w689c5d6fd7abd04e@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:13 AM, John Lee <john_lee at openmoko.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 06:34:09PM +0100, Tony Berth wrote:
> > Dear list,
> >
> > I just installed the latest 2008.9 kernel and jffs2 and when I connect to
> a
> > debian 4 box it doesn't get listed as a USB device. As a result, I can't
> > establish USB networking. Am I doing something wrong here?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Tony
>
> opkg will execute the postinst script during first boot, so modules
> won't work properly until 2nd boot.
>
> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2096
>
>
> - John
>
>
just for the list archives, when I re-booted and had FR connected via USB
the problem didn't show up any more! So I guess that was the reason

Thanks
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From ledzgio at writeme.com  Fri Dec  5 14:20:50 2008
From: ledzgio at writeme.com (Giorgio Marci)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:20:50 +0100
Subject: Battery charge
Message-ID: <20081205132050.A1EF832675B@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>

Hi to all,

i've flashed my new neo twice without full charging before and i had
problems to boot at the second time (i guess energy issue).

So i've booted successfully the neo with an external battery, plug in the
charger and repleced the external battery with the neo battery.

Now the problem is that the battery indicator is still red and seems
don't charge my battery, in the mean time the aux led is on..

what's mean? is it normal? what's mean the aux led always on? is my
battery charging?

thanks very much

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From flamma at correo.ugr.es  Fri Dec  5 14:42:01 2008
From: flamma at correo.ugr.es (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F8?=)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:42:01 +0100
Subject: [Qt Extended]Graphical server doesn't boot
Message-ID: <1228484521.3725.11.camel@localhost>

I'm using Qt Extended 4.4.2 flashed into the phone (Freerunner). For
weeks it has worked perfectly (or the most perfect a distribution can
work on the neo).

This morning, it went out of battery. I don't know if it booted
correctly, since I was sleeping.

When I have plugged it into the computer, it doesn't boot. Well, at
least not Qt Extended. The boot process goes well, it casts the same
amount of error as usual, but at one point this happens:

Starting at daemon atd.
splash-write: appplet not found
Segmentation fault

Then, the screen is deleted and you only see a text cursor flashing,
like it was loading a graphical server. From time to time, it seems it
try to bring some screen, but fails (I think I cannot explain better).

Net is initialized, so I can ssh into my phone, but I don't know what to
do. I have no found sytem logs, nor graphical server log, nor anyother
useful log.

I have looked in the list, but no one seems to have the same problem.

Any advice?

(It was important that I had my phone usable today T_T).
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From andy at openmoko.com  Fri Dec  5 14:45:26 2008
From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:45:26 +0000
Subject: microsSD doesn't mount any more!
In-Reply-To: <3494db260812050446s66ef9d5eo9c34c8669f2c5d51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db260812050446s66ef9d5eo9c34c8669f2c5d51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49393076.7090809@openmoko.com>

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| When in BootLoader, shows that there is a card of 3MB!!!! and when I
| boot with the latest 2008.9 jffs I get following dmesg output:

U-Boot driver doesn't understand enough SHDC to get this right, but it
doesn't hurt anything unless you try to get U-Boot to touch anything
above 4GB.

| ....
| [   30.365000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 8

Are there some glamo-mci errors floating around before that?

- -Andy
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From helge.hafting at hist.no  Fri Dec  5 14:20:21 2008
From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:20:21 +0100
Subject: Funding Global Domination
In-Reply-To: <49371D01.7080101@gmail.com>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>	<op.ulk14r0j41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>	<200812031838.05799.haduong@centre-cired.fr>
	<49371D01.7080101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49392A95.5070409@hist.no>

Arigead wrote:
[...]
> Thanks for the info all,
>     as Arne correctly spotted I was only interested in helping fund
> global domination, which does not come for free. I can design my own T
> Shirt and have it made but benefit to OM = Zero. Not interested in this
> at all. If OM have made it clear they are not into derived products then
> that answers the question I asked and the subject is closed.
>
There is always the benefit of free marketing, when someone wear a shirt
with "openmoko" or similiar on it. They may sell more phones.

Or you could sell T-shirts, and collect some money to fund a developer
for some time. Better software gives more sales.

There are other ways of support than direct money transfer, if you're 
interested.

Helge Hafting



From gecco at napodano.com  Fri Dec  5 15:14:56 2008
From: gecco at napodano.com (Carlo Minucci)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:14:56 +0100
Subject: gpsdcontrol 0.4 is out
Message-ID: <49393760.8080001@napodano.com>

(sorry for my bad english)
i have released a new version of gpsdcontrol
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gpsdcontrol

gpsdcontrol is a simple script for turn on/off gpsd and gps antenna in a 
simple icon on the desktop

now there is a new icon which change if gpsd is running or not, and blue 
led is turning on/off with gpsd



From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Fri Dec  5 15:25:30 2008
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:25:30 +0100
Subject: microsSD doesn't mount any more!
In-Reply-To: <49393076.7090809@openmoko.com>
References: <3494db260812050446s66ef9d5eo9c34c8669f2c5d51@mail.gmail.com>
	<49393076.7090809@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <3494db260812050625l63e9bd61mfe6e351d46a6b3c7@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Andy Green <andy at openmoko.com> wrote:

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> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
>
> | When in BootLoader, shows that there is a card of 3MB!!!! and when I
> | boot with the latest 2008.9 jffs I get following dmesg output:
>
> U-Boot driver doesn't understand enough SHDC to get this right, but it
> doesn't hurt anything unless you try to get U-Boot to touch anything
> above 4GB.
>
> | ....
> | [   30.365000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 8
>
> Are there some glamo-mci errors floating around before that?
>
> - -Andy
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here it is:

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[   30.225000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020
[   30.225000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
[   30.230000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0
[   30.230000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0
[   30.240000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x20
[   30.240000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x120
[   30.245000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
[   30.250000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 8
[   30.250000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 1
[   30.255000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020
[   30.255000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8122
[   30.260000] mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command
[   30.265000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 16
[   30.265000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 2
[   30.270000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x20
[   30.275000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x122
[   30.280000] mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command
[   30.285000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 24
[   30.285000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 3
[   30.300000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020
[   30.300000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
[   30.305000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0
[   30.305000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0
[   30.360000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x20
[   30.360000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
[   30.365000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 64
[   30.365000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 8
[   34.830000] FAT: bogus logical sector size 65535
[   34.830000] VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev mmcblk0.
[   34.840000] FAT: bogus logical sector size 65535
[   34.840000] VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev mmcblk0.

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From unachievable at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 16:40:44 2008
From: unachievable at gmail.com (ivvmm)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:40:44 +0300
Subject: ntpd status?
In-Reply-To: <1228461707.14906.2.camel@rattus>
References: <1228461707.14906.2.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <49394B7C.4080807@gmail.com>

William Kenworthy wrote:
> How can I find the status for a running ntpd?
> 
> On desktops, I use "ntpq", but this doesnt seem available on the FR - I
> have ntp, ntpdate and ntp-utils installed so far.
> 
> grepping the logread for ntp messages isnt enough to see whats going
> on :(
> 
> BillK
> 
> 
I also searched for ntpq and it seems that it wont be possible to find
this information unless someone reforms the ntpd package.

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From unachievable at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 16:46:19 2008
From: unachievable at gmail.com (ivvmm)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:46:19 +0300
Subject: [OM2008.x] praise for the new testing image
In-Reply-To: <op.ulocq705j0u8pj@vadim>
References: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>	<20081203115806.1272344klrgwv6tq@w0.mail.sapo.pt>	<op.ullrmax6j0u8pj@vadim>
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Vadim, Efimov wrote:

> how many freerunners sold in Russia. at least 20-30.

More than 50. And also the same issue. UUSD is the only way for me to
get the info for balance, so I don't know how much I got now. The only
way to get information about it --- they send an SMS if I am close to 0
balance.

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From openmoko at ulle.dyndns.org  Fri Dec  5 17:56:05 2008
From: openmoko at ulle.dyndns.org (Ulle)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 08:56:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: First impressions on new Android rootfs
In-Reply-To: <1228232283260-1604187.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1228224437572-1603648.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<bff0f0570812020602q7e723695pd5336b3e2947e0b7@mail.gmail.com>
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Gothnet wrote:
> 
> Please forgive me for replying to so many of my own emails...
> 

... that helps more than is annoing ;)


Gothnet wrote:
> 
> Apparently the answer is "setprop net.usb0.dns1 $IP_ADDRESS"
> 

Try
"setprop net.dns1 $IP_ADDRESS" (just without the network device)

for me then dns worked reliably.

I did setup an bluetooth connection with bnep to my linux pc. Actually the
same way as from every other gta02 distro
(http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth) . Except I had to
do an "hciconfig hci0 up" on android.

To keep the browser from crashing I had not only to remove 
rm /data/data/com.android.browser/app_plugins/gears.so
but as well
rm /data/data/com.android.browser/app_plugins/gears-0.4.23.0/*
rm /data/data/com.android.browser/app_plugins/gears-0.4.23.0

All this done in adb shell, which I got with:
- download the file adb from http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/ an make
it executable
- cd into the dir where you have adb downloaded
- connect freerunner with usb cable and start android on it

- as root:
ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.199 up
- kill process "adb fork-server server" if running (find it with: ps aux |
grep adb)
- then do as root
ADBHOST=192.168.0.202 ./adb shell

You should then have a console on your freerunner running android:

* daemon not running. starting it now *
* daemon started successfully *
#


My current freerunner android setup:
Bootloader:
http://people.openmoko.org/andy/qi-s3c2442-master_2ad3ce6ff57753e3.udfu
(01-Dec-2008 02:23   26K) [s3c2442 is for GTA02]
Kernel: http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/uImage-android (04-Dec-2008
05:28  2.4M)
Rootfs: http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/androidfs.jffs2 (05-Dec-2008
04:18   32M)

Thanks for all your contributions, Sean first, of course!
Sch?ngru?
Ulle

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From eric at ericanddebbie.com  Fri Dec  5 18:36:47 2008
From: eric at ericanddebbie.com (eric at ericanddebbie.com)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:36:47 -0600
Subject: Funding Global Domination
Message-ID: <20081205113647.bitpilw8g840884c@webmail.opentransfer.com>

Hi Steve and all,
I would at least take a look at zazzle.com before going with cafepress.

When I started a (very small) tshirt site a few years ago, I chose it  
over cafepress for various reasons that I can't exactly remember (most  
likely commission rates and product selection).

Eric


Steve Mosher wrote:
>   Let me look into doing this on cafepress.
>
> Marcel wrote:
>> That would be soo geeky, great idea! :D
>>
>> --
>> Marcel
>>
>> Am Thursday 04 December 2008 14:23:40 schrieb Steve Mosher:
>>> please do.
>>>
>>> DJDAS wrote:
>>>> Arigead ha scritto:
>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>>>>>
>>>>> Minh Ha Duong wrote:
>>>>>> Le mercredi 03 d?cembre 2008, arne anka a ?crit :
>>>>>>>>> The second option is more like it. It takes a few hours to design a
>>>>>>>>> T-Shirt
>>>>>>>>> and upload it to an online store where everybody else can go and buy
>>>>>>>>> it. So
>>>>>>>>> just do it: the entry costs are so low that there is no real need
>>>>>>>>> for a formal market study !
>>>>>> Rui: There are lots of cool artwork under a Cc: license on the wiki
>>>>>> including the hardware schematics and
>>>> What about making a T-shirt with the hardware schematics? ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>





From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt  Fri Dec  5 19:01:27 2008
From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (Vasco =?iso-8859-15?b?Tul2b2E=?=)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:01:27 +0000
Subject: [OM2008.8][testing] qpe no longer respects QTOPIA_PHONE_DEVICE ?
In-Reply-To: <1228477874.14906.27.camel@rattus>
References: <20081205114244.55652l6cq78waqb8@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<1228477874.14906.27.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <20081205180127.11981l5lbtvrq3qv@w0.mail.sapo.pt>


There is no problem with QPE and the QTOPIA_PHONE_DEVICE var.

The problem is that gsm0710muxd gets started twice (via rc.d init  
scripts AND the dbus request inside 89qtopia) and QPE gets a bogus  
ptsvar and falls back to /dev/ttySAC0.
I removed the rc.d startup of the muxer because dbus is capable of  
launching it upon request:
update-rc.d -f gsm0710muxd remove
And it all works (GSM+GPRS)!  :)

Citando William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:

> I'm also noticing today that the batget utility is blocking (using top),
> sometimes several instances get caught up and the phone starts to slow.
> removed the battery module (its utterly useless in illume anyway) and
> things run much better.
>
> Overall though, there are fewer problems than 2008.9 :)
>
> BillK
>
> On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 11:42 +0000, Vasco N?voa wrote:
>> After today's testing upgrade, QPE is ignoring env var
>> QTOPIA_PHONE_DEVICE and going right for "/dev/ttySAC0" instead of a
>> /dev/pts* like I want it to.
>> What is the new way to make it pick another device?
>> Surely you devs haven't forgotten there are people using gsm0710muxd?...
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> --
> William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
> Home in Perth!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>




From mail at 3v1n0.net  Fri Dec  5 19:33:10 2008
From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:33:10 +0100
Subject: [android] Maps application
In-Reply-To: <bff0f0570812050004i47c149ach1bbddb33fbe6a0ba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bff0f0570812050004i47c149ach1bbddb33fbe6a0ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ghbs54$g51$1@ger.gmane.org>

C?dric Berger wrote:
> Hi,
> Is the Android Maps application available somewhere ?
> 
> I installed the Maps.apk I got from the Emulator.
> It also needs /system/framework/com.google.android.maps.jar   (I also
> pulled it from Emulator)
> 
> - are there legal issues to distribute them ?

If they are on the SDK... :o

-- 
Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux
http://www.3v1n0.net/




From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Fri Dec  5 19:38:22 2008
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:38:22 +0000
Subject: How to wear the headphones?
Message-ID: <49dd78620812051038i317548b9g489f449dc409d65b@mail.gmail.com>

I find that the headphones quickly fall out of my ears.  Is this a
health feature, or am I doing something wrong?

Regards,
      Neil



From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Fri Dec  5 19:43:32 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:43:32 +0100
Subject: How to wear the headphones?
In-Reply-To: <49dd78620812051038i317548b9g489f449dc409d65b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49dd78620812051038i317548b9g489f449dc409d65b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.ulpcyuo941evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

aren't there spare ear pieces with different sizes?



From mail at 3v1n0.net  Fri Dec  5 19:44:09 2008
From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:44:09 +0100
Subject: [OM2008.x] praise for the new testing image
In-Reply-To: <20081205050519.GS4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
References: <20081203104352.45063bipwet6rm5k@w0.mail.sapo.pt>	<20081203115806.1272344klrgwv6tq@w0.mail.sapo.pt>	<op.ullrmax6j0u8pj@vadim>
	<gh83pp$9cj$1@ger.gmane.org>	<20081204180504.37293s6yf07a9ya8@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<20081205050519.GS4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <ghbspo$iu9$1@ger.gmane.org>

John Lee wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 06:05:04PM +0000, Vasco N?voa wrote:
>> Yes, that's how I get my ballance... it's the operator that  
>> automatically sends it at hangup.
>> I confirm that the dialer exits when we try to do it upon request...
> 
> I would like to know how many people need this.  My resource for
> qtopia is very limited and I need to decide what to fix first.

In Italy only an operator uses it, but I'm using it; that's why I've
researched so much about this :P.

Btw, the fact that the dialer exits after dialed, it's normal (it should
indicate that the USSD request has been placed). The problem with the
latest qtopia-x11, however, is that it uses a wrong way to send the
request. I'm using a workaround to it (the patch is in trac) but I know
that could be improved. I don't know if I can easily provide binaries
since my qtopia build has many other diffs...

-- 
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http://www.3v1n0.net/




From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Fri Dec  5 19:50:23 2008
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:50:23 +0000
Subject: How to wear the headphones?
In-Reply-To: <op.ulpcyuo941evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <49dd78620812051038i317548b9g489f449dc409d65b@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.ulpcyuo941evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <49dd78620812051050q2c3aa98v9f9e7f5b5ef4eba6@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/5 arne anka <openmoko at ginguppin.de>:
> aren't there spare ear pieces with different sizes?

I thought so at first, but on closer examination, they all appeared to
be the same size...

      Neil



From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Fri Dec  5 19:51:22 2008
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:51:22 +0000
Subject: How to wear the headphones?
In-Reply-To: <49dd78620812051050q2c3aa98v9f9e7f5b5ef4eba6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49dd78620812051038i317548b9g489f449dc409d65b@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.ulpcyuo941evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
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Message-ID: <49dd78620812051051g2c561108l657b11648c9846ce@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/5 Neil Jerram <neiljerram at googlemail.com>:
> 2008/12/5 arne anka <openmoko at ginguppin.de>:
>> aren't there spare ear pieces with different sizes?
>
> I thought so at first, but on closer examination, they all appeared to
> be the same size...

(I assume you mean the flexible rubber-like bits.)



From mail at 3v1n0.net  Fri Dec  5 19:53:15 2008
From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:53:15 +0100
Subject: [android] Building Android from the Koolu Source
In-Reply-To: <4938953F.8010304@anconafamily.com>
References: <4938953F.8010304@anconafamily.com>
Message-ID: <ghbtap$jev$1@ger.gmane.org>

Jim Ancona wrote:
> I've been able to successfully build an Android rootfs from the Koolu
> repository. When flashed to my phone with the kernel that Sean provided,
> it runs with just about the same set of issues as the images that Sean
> has put up.
> 
> I've documented how I did it on the wiki at:
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android#Building_the_Koolu_Android_Source

Have you been able to get the emulator working with the build sysimage?
In my experience, the emulator came up but the "phone" stays always with
a black screen while my CPU us over-used. I've waited some minutes but
nothing happens...

Is this maybe due to the fact that the android-freerunner distro tries
to set some values valid only for GTA0x hardware (i.e. /sys nodes)?

How would you suggest to develop using the koolu tree without testing in
real hardware?

-- 
Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux
http://www.3v1n0.net/




From mail at 3v1n0.net  Fri Dec  5 19:56:31 2008
From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:56:31 +0100
Subject: [OM2008.8][testing] qpe no longer respects QTOPIA_PHONE_DEVICE ?
In-Reply-To: <20081205114244.55652l6cq78waqb8@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
References: <20081205114244.55652l6cq78waqb8@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <ghbtgt$jev$2@ger.gmane.org>

Vasco N?voa wrote:
> After today's testing upgrade, QPE is ignoring env var  
> QTOPIA_PHONE_DEVICE and going right for "/dev/ttySAC0" instead of a  
> /dev/pts* like I want it to.
> What is the new way to make it pick another device?
> Surely you devs haven't forgotten there are people using gsm0710muxd?...

About this theme...
Anyone knows what the zecke "qtopia-muxer" git tree [1] is actually
doing? I've not tested it, but would it avoid the usage of gsm0710muxd
to get the framework running in qtopia-x11?


[1] http://git.openmoko.org/?p=zecke/qtopia-muxer.git;a=summary

-- 
Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux
http://www.3v1n0.net/




From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Fri Dec  5 20:07:31 2008
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 19:07:31 +0000
Subject: Battery charge
In-Reply-To: <20081205132050.A1EF832675B@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081205132050.A1EF832675B@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200812051907.31225.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Friday 05 December 2008, Giorgio Marci wrote:
> Hi to all,
>
> i've flashed my new neo twice without full charging before and i had
> problems to boot at the second time (i guess energy issue).
>
> So i've booted successfully the neo with an external battery, plug in the
> charger and repleced the external battery with the neo battery.
>
> Now the problem is that the battery indicator is still red and seems
> don't charge my battery, in the mean time the aux led is on..
>
> what's mean? is it normal? what's mean the aux led always on? is my
> battery charging?

It depends which version of which distro, and possibly which kernel. In at 
least one case the red aux LED was used to indicate charging, while some 
versions of the battery indicator don't always pick up the transitions.

You can always use the /sys interface to find out what the kernel thinks is 
going on with the battery. See the links below.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs#power_supply_battery_information
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs#PMU_info




From email at samuelpereira.net  Fri Dec  5 20:06:41 2008
From: email at samuelpereira.net (Samuel Pereira)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:06:41 +0000
Subject: QTerminal
Message-ID: <49397BC1.8000205@samuelpereira.net>

Hi,

Is possible to install QTerminal on QT 4.4.2 ?
I try but dont work!

Thanks,
Samuel



From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Fri Dec  5 20:14:51 2008
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 19:14:51 +0000
Subject: [OM2008.8][testing] qpe no longer respects QTOPIA_PHONE_DEVICE ?
In-Reply-To: <ghbtgt$jev$2@ger.gmane.org>
References: <20081205114244.55652l6cq78waqb8@w0.mail.sapo.pt>
	<ghbtgt$jev$2@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <200812051914.51387.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Friday 05 December 2008, Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote:
> Vasco N?voa wrote:
> > After today's testing upgrade, QPE is ignoring env var
> > QTOPIA_PHONE_DEVICE and going right for "/dev/ttySAC0" instead of a
> > /dev/pts* like I want it to.
> > What is the new way to make it pick another device?
> > Surely you devs haven't forgotten there are people using gsm0710muxd?...
>
> About this theme...
> Anyone knows what the zecke "qtopia-muxer" git tree [1] is actually
> doing? I've not tested it, but would it avoid the usage of gsm0710muxd
> to get the framework running in qtopia-x11?
>
>
> [1] http://git.openmoko.org/?p=zecke/qtopia-muxer.git;a=summary

The README says:
This contains the Qtopia muxer code to implement the FSO D-Bus interface
for allocating channels.

From the commits it looks like it's adding to qtopia an awareness of 
gsm0710muxd, and the FSO interface to it.



From hns at computer.org  Fri Dec  5 20:25:44 2008
From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:25:44 +0100
Subject: Openmoko cronology
In-Reply-To: <1226274986.30097.49.camel@peregrintux>
References: <1226274986.30097.49.camel@peregrintux>
Message-ID: <20BAEE5A-3715-46B0-BA7A-9667A2D082F8@computer.org>


Am 10.11.2008 um 00:56 schrieb David Samblas:

> I want to do a presentation for next friday and one of the point I  
> want
> to reflex is the quick evolution of the Openmoko project but I realize
> there is no place with a clear cronologie so I will try to post  
> things I
> have found spreaded in wiki, press releases and over the web to try to
> have some kind of time line.
>
> ? 2006 Openmoko was anounced by his founder FIC

2. Nov 2006: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2986976174.html

>
> Nov 2006 Openmoko annouce the Neo1973
> Jul 2007 Neo1973 out to the real world
> Jan 2008 Openmoko announce the Neo FreeRunner
> Feb 2008 Last Neo1973 sold from Openmoko
> Jun 2008 Neo FreeRunner Hits the real world
> Jul 2008 FSO milestone 2
> Aug 2008 OM2008.8, Debian on Freerunner, Qtopia 4.3.2, Schematics
> published
> Sep 2008 FSO milestone 3, FDOM, NeoTool, Gentoo, Gestures,
> Remoko,Numptyphisycs
> Oct 2008 Qt Extended 4.4.1, OM2008.9, http://opkg.org, more than 7 web
> browsers, rasteman illume images,QI,Duke3d, Pingus
> Nov 2008 Android beta image, FDOMizer, QT EXtended 4.4.2, Doom
>
> Help will be apreciated I want to matain it as simple as posible to
> presentetation but a more detailed on in the wiki will be awesome to
> have





From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Fri Dec  5 20:28:08 2008
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 19:28:08 +0000
Subject: How to wear the headphones?
In-Reply-To: <49dd78620812051051g2c561108l657b11648c9846ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49dd78620812051038i317548b9g489f449dc409d65b@mail.gmail.com>
	<49dd78620812051050q2c3aa98v9f9e7f5b5ef4eba6@mail.gmail.com>
	<49dd78620812051051g2c561108l657b11648c9846ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812051928.08357.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Friday 05 December 2008, Neil Jerram wrote:
> 2008/12/5 Neil Jerram <neiljerram at googlemail.com>:
> > 2008/12/5 arne anka <openmoko at ginguppin.de>:
> >> aren't there spare ear pieces with different sizes?
> >
> > I thought so at first, but on closer examination, they all appeared to
> > be the same size...
>
> (I assume you mean the flexible rubber-like bits.)

That's the ones. Mine came with 3 different sizes. They provide next to no 
isolation, and sound quite bad anyway. I suggest cutting off the headphones 
and adding a 3.5mm stereo socket so you can use some decent headphones.



From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Fri Dec  5 21:13:14 2008
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:13:14 +0000
Subject: How to wear the headphones?
In-Reply-To: <200812051928.08357.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <49dd78620812051038i317548b9g489f449dc409d65b@mail.gmail.com>
	<49dd78620812051050q2c3aa98v9f9e7f5b5ef4eba6@mail.gmail.com>
	<49dd78620812051051g2c561108l657b11648c9846ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<200812051928.08357.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <49dd78620812051213m1fb0cc96m50293fda9d7be480@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/5 Al Johnson <openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk>:
> On Friday 05 December 2008, Neil Jerram wrote:
>> 2008/12/5 Neil Jerram <neiljerram at googlemail.com>:
>> > 2008/12/5 arne anka <openmoko at ginguppin.de>:
>> >> aren't there spare ear pieces with different sizes?
>> >
>> > I thought so at first, but on closer examination, they all appeared to
>> > be the same size...
>>
>> (I assume you mean the flexible rubber-like bits.)
>
> That's the ones. Mine came with 3 different sizes.

OK, thanks Arne and Al; I obviously need to look again at those.

> They provide next to no
> isolation, and sound quite bad anyway. I suggest cutting off the headphones
> and adding a 3.5mm stereo socket so you can use some decent headphones.

As a last resort, I guess.

Thanks,
      Neil



From jim at anconafamily.com  Fri Dec  5 21:16:31 2008
From: jim at anconafamily.com (Jim Ancona)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:16:31 -0500
Subject: [android] Building Android from the Koolu Source
In-Reply-To: <ghbtap$jev$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <4938953F.8010304@anconafamily.com> <ghbtap$jev$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <49398C1F.9090707@anconafamily.com>

Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote:
> Have you been able to get the emulator working with the build sysimage?
> In my experience, the emulator came up but the "phone" stays always with
> a black screen while my CPU us over-used. I've waited some minutes but
> nothing happens...
> 
> Is this maybe due to the fact that the android-freerunner distro tries
> to set some values valid only for GTA0x hardware (i.e. /sys nodes)?
> 
> How would you suggest to develop using the koolu tree without testing in
> real hardware?

I doubt the Android emulator would work because it emulates different 
hardware--not even the same CPU instruction set as the Freerunner. You 
could try the Openmoko QEMU emulator. See the wiki at: 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QEMU

If that works please update the info on the wiki!

Jim



From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Fri Dec  5 21:29:59 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:29:59 +0100
Subject: How to wear the headphones?
In-Reply-To: <49dd78620812051051g2c561108l657b11648c9846ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49dd78620812051038i317548b9g489f449dc409d65b@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.ulpcyuo941evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<49dd78620812051050q2c3aa98v9f9e7f5b5ef4eba6@mail.gmail.com>
	<49dd78620812051051g2c561108l657b11648c9846ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.ulphv9tg41evsb@ginguppin>

>>> aren't there spare ear pieces with different sizes?
>>
>> I thought so at first, but on closer examination, they all appeared to
>> be the same size...

then you need to shrink your ears ;-)

> (I assume you mean the flexible rubber-like bits.)

yes. but the plugs at the headphones should be pretty standard (t-shaped  
profile), so any set of rubber thingies available in a store near to you  
should fit.



From jim at anconafamily.com  Fri Dec  5 21:45:53 2008
From: jim at anconafamily.com (Jim Ancona)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:45:53 -0500
Subject: [android] Maps application
In-Reply-To: <bff0f0570812050004i47c149ach1bbddb33fbe6a0ba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bff0f0570812050004i47c149ach1bbddb33fbe6a0ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49399301.4090202@anconafamily.com>

C?dric Berger wrote:
> Hi,
> Is the Android Maps application available somewhere ?
> 
> I installed the Maps.apk I got from the Emulator.
> It also needs /system/framework/com.google.android.maps.jar   (I also
> pulled it from Emulator)
> 
> - are there legal issues to distribute them ?

IANAL, but the SDK license agreement says "Except to the extent required 
by applicable third party licenses, you may not load any part of the SDK 
onto a mobile handset or any other hardware device except a personal 
computer, combine any part of the SDK with other software, or distribute 
any software or device incorporating a part of the SDK." I would read 
that as prohibiting even installing anything from the SDK on your own 
phone, never mind distributing it.

Since, as you noted, the Maps API jar is not included in the open source 
release, it's currently impossible to run any apps using the Maps API on 
  a device running the open source distribution. A number of people 
(including me) have asked on the Android groups about Google's 
intentions, but I haven't seen any answers.

Even if the API were available, Google's TOS are fairly restrictive (see 
  http://code.google.com/android/maps-api-signup.html). In particular, 
you may not "use the Service or Content with any products, systems, or 
applications for or in connection with (a) real time navigation or route 
guidance based on position input from a sensor (including but not 
limited to any visual or audible turn-byturn route guidance)". That 
seems to prohibit even using the GPS to indicate the direction to your 
destination.

To avoid all these issues, one alternative is OSMdroid, a 
reimplementation of the Maps API using Open Street Maps data. It's at:

http://code.google.com/p/osmdroid/

It's not an exact clone of the Google API, so you will probably have to 
make some changes to your code to use it. It is GPL3 licensed and the 
OSM data is under a Creative Commons license, so you don't have to worry 
about Google's restrictions.

Jim



From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Fri Dec  5 22:29:14 2008
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:29:14 +0000
Subject: How to wear the headphones?
In-Reply-To: <op.ulphv9tg41evsb@ginguppin>
References: <49dd78620812051038i317548b9g489f449dc409d65b@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.ulpcyuo941evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<49dd78620812051050q2c3aa98v9f9e7f5b5ef4eba6@mail.gmail.com>
	<49dd78620812051051g2c561108l657b11648c9846ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.ulphv9tg41evsb@ginguppin>
Message-ID: <49dd78620812051329h14e21c46h1f1fc35698280580@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/5 arne anka <openmoko at ginguppin.de>:
>>>> aren't there spare ear pieces with different sizes?
>>>
>>> I thought so at first, but on closer examination, they all appeared to
>>> be the same size...
>
> then you need to shrink your ears ;-)

OK, thanks.  Is that the real long term solution, or just a workaround
while the team is still working on this?  :-)

>> (I assume you mean the flexible rubber-like bits.)
>
> yes. but the plugs at the headphones should be pretty standard (t-shaped
> profile), so any set of rubber thingies available in a store near to you
> should fit.

Good point, thanks.

      Neil



From prishelec at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 02:32:22 2008
From: prishelec at gmail.com (Leonti Bielski)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 02:32:22 +0100
Subject: mplayer with glamo and audio - very slow
In-Reply-To: <815cb1720812031249j23b4748fw5e10ef11af62f82f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <815cb1720812021838m38885447kdfc62c8fd510009b@mail.gmail.com>
	<49367EEE.7070502@darkganja.net>
	<200812031351.29581.ant@truebox.co.uk>
	<1228317006.3444.3.camel@localhost>
	<815cb1720812031249j23b4748fw5e10ef11af62f82f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <815cb1720812051732j37c284efw187fca01b1846f03@mail.gmail.com>

After passing right (less demanding) parameters for encoding and
playing it's working now.
I edited wiki-page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player
regarding glamo acceleration for future reference.

Although very high CPU consumption from Mplayer seems very strange.
I'm sure glamo can do better (according to other user reports) than 15
fps with sound.

Leonti



From aapo.rantalainen at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 09:25:29 2008
From: aapo.rantalainen at gmail.com (Aapo Rantalainen)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:25:29 +0200
Subject: Where can I find this game?
In-Reply-To: <d67d61f10812050045i5cd5060ydcb9c67c37c0f444@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d67d61f10812050045i5cd5060ydcb9c67c37c0f444@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d67d61f10812060025s23d5243bn3ba5c64cf96cb897@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, openttd.opk is ready. It is version svn 14657.Tested with FDOM.
Disabled:
lib-icu (arabic right to left writing)
allegro (alternate to sdl)

It contains gpl-graphics only (version alpha2). They are not all
ready, there might be some black boxis. If you own TransportTycoon,
you can drop grapfics from it to /usr/share/games/openttd/data/
Sounds are also missing (there are only dummy sample.cat).

Game is not playable yet with stylus. You can't scroll the map without
right mouse button.
There is one option, but it do not solve:
   Advanced settings
      ->Interface
      ->Pan window when  mouse is at edge: On

It affects only with left and right scrolling, no up and down.

Left-mouse-button-scroll-patch exist, but it is too old and needs
updating. (I'm planning to do it)

Game do not guess resolution rigth, I added commandline parameters for
it. (Once started with 480x640 it writes it on the conf file.) Game
works landscaped too.

opk: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/rantalai/freerunner/openttd_0.6.3-r0.1_armv4t.opk
official: http://www.openttd.org/en/
gpl-data: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Graphics_Replacement
left-scroll-patch: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35987


-Aapo Rantalainen



From lukasz.holetzke at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 11:10:40 2008
From: lukasz.holetzke at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?=A3ukasz_Holetzke?=)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:10:40 +0100
Subject: [gentoo] tslib: Unknown event type 0
Message-ID: <1098fcb90812060210p598b882fh5769fc3dec6290d6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

someone uses gentoo here?

I've run into problems with the touchscreen and x11-input-tslib on gentoo.
First - the pointercal data, which i've copied from om-2008.09 is not
valid - I trying to 'repair' this manually - changing numbers, got so
far the y-axis (is there any software to do it better?).

Next, if i touch the screen or move with finger/stylus over the screen:
tslib: Unknown event type 0

The worst thing that the tslib is stoping any other processes running
on o Xorg if I don't touch the screen.
For exapmle if I start X with xfce4, don't touch the screen wait some
time and kill X im getting always:
waiting for X server to shut down xf86TslibControlProc

X waits only for tslib, no xfce or other processes.

Cheers,

-- 
?ukasz Holetzke

From steve at openmoko.com  Sat Dec  6 12:50:30 2008
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:50:30 -0800
Subject: Global Domination  0.9
In-Reply-To: <20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>	<49054F4F.9010408@users.sourceforge.net>	<4935DF6E.7050703@gmail.com>	<200812030951.44535.haduong@centre-cired.fr>
	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <493A6706.3070707@openmoko.com>



  Community.

   At your urging we have opened a storefront to sell Openmoko merchandise.

   http://www.cafepress.com/openmoko_inc

   Sean and I had a couple of hours to kill this weekend. He did all the 
work and I pushed him to release ASAP. Going forward we will add more 
products and improve the look of the store; so, post your ideas and we 
will build up the offerings in the store.  The profits will go to 
bounties and other programs to aid the community.







From steve at openmoko.com  Sat Dec  6 13:00:27 2008
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 04:00:27 -0800
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <85aed13c0812041428me4257eai4bb18febfe8f608e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>	
	<49dd78620812011329w37b09629v5d4c971605d5c926@mail.gmail.com>	
	<20081202074608.GF4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>	
	<49359DC0.2000300@openmoko.com>	
	<85aed13c0812030818w1b685108g5aa6fc92b5af518@mail.gmail.com>	
	<4937D137.2010103@openmoko.com>
	<85aed13c0812041428me4257eai4bb18febfe8f608e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493A695B.7060600@openmoko.com>

Thanks Jake.

  I reviewed the SOP yesterday and Werner had a look at it as well. 
There is a tiny bit of clean up ( spelling etc) and a couple little details.
( arrows on the photos) Also, I really would like to have somebody 
external to Openmoko "test" the SOP by actually doing it. Maybe even 
make a Youtube vid. But, I won't hold up the document for that. I expect 
we can go live with the document sometime next week. Bug me  if you want 
a Pre release of the doc and would like to suggest changes for clarity 
I'll see what I can do.

Steve

Jakob wrote:
> Thanks Steve for this little insight.
> As the mod doesn't seem that hard to do, I'm looking forward to my
> Freerunner for christmas (regardless if its A7 or a not yet reworked
> A6 :) ).
> 
> Jake
> 
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>  Joerg went over the change for a5/a6 with me the other night.
>>  Over the next few days I'll drive to get an SOP published for
>>  the change. But for now I'll just explain it in words. The modification
>> should work for both a5&a6. It consists of:
>>
>>  1. Removing the front cover.
>>  2. Changing a resistor ( in some cases this is not necessary)
>>  3. Adding a Cap.
>>
>> Steve



From billk at iinet.net.au  Sat Dec  6 13:30:45 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:30:45 +0900
Subject: ntpd status?
In-Reply-To: <1228461707.14906.2.camel@rattus>
References: <1228461707.14906.2.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <1228566645.14906.57.camel@rattus>

For anyone who misses "ntpq" out of the standard ipk, I built a package
that includes the standard utilities:

ntp-keygen
ntp-wait
ntpd
ntpdate
ntpdc
ntpq
ntptime
ntptrace

It was built on the freerunner itself against 2008.testing (as at
6/12/08)

The init.d file is the same one from the standard package - but the ipk
doesnt auto-start it like the standard ntp ipk (I want CONTROL dammit :)

I have included an ntp.conf that has a GPS stanza - seems unstable and
my local internet linked ntp server (over WiFi) is much better - someone
may suggest something here.

Available from:
http://wdk.dyndns.org/freerunner/ntp_4.2.4_p5_armv4t.ipk

Remove any existing ntp packages: "opkg remove ntp"
opkg install http://wdk.dyndns.org/freerunner/ntp_4.2.4_p5_armv4t.ipk

Have fun,
BillK


On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 16:21 +0900, William Kenworthy wrote:
> How can I find the status for a running ntpd?
> 
> On desktops, I use "ntpq", but this doesnt seem available on the FR - I
> have ntp, ntpdate and ntp-utils installed so far.
> 
> grepping the logread for ntp messages isnt enough to see whats going
> on :(
> 
> BillK
> 
> 
-- 
William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
Home in Perth!




From mallik.v.arjun at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 13:59:56 2008
From: mallik.v.arjun at gmail.com (mallikarjun arjun)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:29:56 +0530
Subject: My Openmoko on sale, India
Message-ID: <158b9ef30812060459o101a9085k5c06ec9abb7fd2af@mail.gmail.com>

Dear friends,

I want to sell my openmoko and i reside in Bangalore India, if anyone of you
are interested can contact to my mail id  mallik.v.arjun at gmail.com

Condition: The openmoko is very new just 15-20 days and i can assure you it
is in proper condition and i have bill.
Reason: I am not able to make enough use of it.
Cost: Is negotiable.

Thanking you
Mallikarjun
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From rakshat at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 14:56:43 2008
From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:26:43 +0530
Subject: Global Domination 0.9
In-Reply-To: <493A6706.3070707@openmoko.com>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>
	<49054F4F.9010408@users.sourceforge.net> <4935DF6E.7050703@gmail.com>
	<200812030951.44535.haduong@centre-cired.fr>
	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org> <493A6706.3070707@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <69a2e4550812060556m20c874a6x7370fec68acecc4a@mail.gmail.com>

Is ir possible to have a T-Shirt with the Open CAD poster design. That would
be cool.

Rakshat

On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com> wrote:

>
>
>  Community.
>
>   At your urging we have opened a storefront to sell Openmoko merchandise.
>
>   http://www.cafepress.com/openmoko_inc
>
>   Sean and I had a couple of hours to kill this weekend. He did all the
> work and I pushed him to release ASAP. Going forward we will add more
> products and improve the look of the store; so, post your ideas and we
> will build up the offerings in the store.  The profits will go to
> bounties and other programs to aid the community.
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



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From pander at users.sourceforge.net  Sat Dec  6 15:22:47 2008
From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:22:47 +0100
Subject: Global Domination 0.9
In-Reply-To: <69a2e4550812060556m20c874a6x7370fec68acecc4a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>	<49054F4F.9010408@users.sourceforge.net>
	<4935DF6E.7050703@gmail.com>	<200812030951.44535.haduong@centre-cired.fr>	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>
	<493A6706.3070707@openmoko.com>
	<69a2e4550812060556m20c874a6x7370fec68acecc4a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493A8AB7.6040201@users.sourceforge.net>

Nice! By the way, you could use transparency for background when
printing on a black t-shirt.

I came across these two:

http://www.spreadshirt.com/us/US/-/Search-3375/Marketplace/Products/list/search/openmoko/

http://211795.spreadshirt.net/en/DE/Shop

See also:
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Advertising

Perhaps better to consolidate all apparel into one site and give the
extra margin to sponsored development for openmoko.

rakshat hooja wrote:
> Is ir possible to have a T-Shirt with the Open CAD poster design. That
> would be cool.
> 
> Rakshat
> 
> On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com
> <mailto:steve at openmoko.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>      Community.
> 
>       At your urging we have opened a storefront to sell Openmoko
>     merchandise.
> 
>       http://www.cafepress.com/openmoko_inc
> 
>       Sean and I had a couple of hours to kill this weekend. He did all the
>     work and I pushed him to release ASAP. Going forward we will add more
>     products and improve the look of the store; so, post your ideas and we
>     will build up the offerings in the store.  The profits will go to
>     bounties and other programs to aid the community.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     _______________________________________________
>     Openmoko community mailing list
>     community at lists.openmoko.org <mailto:community at lists.openmoko.org>
>     http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> --------------
> Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware
> and is also a very feature rich browser.
> www.firefox.com <http://www.firefox.com>
> 
> 
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From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:37:11 +0100
Subject: Santa Claus Xmas Specials at Handheld-Linux - only for a limited time!
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From sean at openmoko.com  Sat Dec  6 17:49:16 2008
From: sean at openmoko.com (Sean Moss-Pultz)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 00:49:16 +0800
Subject: Global Domination 0.9
In-Reply-To: <69a2e4550812060556m20c874a6x7370fec68acecc4a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>	<49054F4F.9010408@users.sourceforge.net>
	<4935DF6E.7050703@gmail.com>	<200812030951.44535.haduong@centre-cired.fr>	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>
	<493A6706.3070707@openmoko.com>
	<69a2e4550812060556m20c874a6x7370fec68acecc4a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493AAD0C.6020606@openmoko.com>



rakshat hooja wrote:
> Is ir possible to have a T-Shirt with the Open CAD poster design. That 
> would be cool.

Here you go:

   http://www.cafepress.com/openmoko_inc.337325440

I put a few more colors up there, too. Let me know if you like this.

   -Sean



From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Sat Dec  6 18:06:33 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 18:06:33 +0100
Subject: Global Domination 0.9
In-Reply-To: <493AAD0C.6020606@openmoko.com>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>
	<49054F4F.9010408@users.sourceforge.net> <4935DF6E.7050703@gmail.com>
	<200812030951.44535.haduong@centre-cired.fr>
	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org> <493A6706.3070707@openmoko.com>
	<69a2e4550812060556m20c874a6x7370fec68acecc4a@mail.gmail.com>
	<493AAD0C.6020606@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <op.ulq2471e41evsb@ginguppin>

i'd like to see "placement" as poster!
questions:
- measures are in inches etc only -- what about more widely used and  
understood units?
- currencies do not include euro
are this limitations of caffepress or by openmoko?



From sean at openmoko.com  Sat Dec  6 18:06:35 2008
From: sean at openmoko.com (Sean Moss-Pultz)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 01:06:35 +0800
Subject: Global Domination 0.9
In-Reply-To: <493A8AB7.6040201@users.sourceforge.net>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>	<49054F4F.9010408@users.sourceforge.net>	<4935DF6E.7050703@gmail.com>	<200812030951.44535.haduong@centre-cired.fr>	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>	<493A6706.3070707@openmoko.com>	<69a2e4550812060556m20c874a6x7370fec68acecc4a@mail.gmail.com>
	<493A8AB7.6040201@users.sourceforge.net>
Message-ID: <493AB11B.80301@openmoko.com>


On 12/6/08 Pander wrote:
> Nice! By the way, you could use transparency for background when
> printing on a black t-shirt.

Yeah I don't have the EPS file for the component placements. I'll try to 
dig it up when I'm at work next week.

   -Sean



From sean at openmoko.com  Sat Dec  6 18:18:01 2008
From: sean at openmoko.com (Sean Moss-Pultz)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 01:18:01 +0800
Subject: Global Domination 0.9
In-Reply-To: <op.ulq2471e41evsb@ginguppin>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>	<49054F4F.9010408@users.sourceforge.net>
	<4935DF6E.7050703@gmail.com>	<200812030951.44535.haduong@centre-cired.fr>	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>
	<493A6706.3070707@openmoko.com>	<69a2e4550812060556m20c874a6x7370fec68acecc4a@mail.gmail.com>	<493AAD0C.6020606@openmoko.com>
	<op.ulq2471e41evsb@ginguppin>
Message-ID: <493AB3C9.6090205@openmoko.com>


On 12/7/08 arne anka wrote:
> i'd like to see "placement" as poster!
> questions:
> - measures are in inches etc only -- what about more widely used and  
> understood units?
> - currencies do not include euro
> are this limitations of caffepress or by openmoko?

Unfortunately these are limitations of CafePress.

   -Sean



From openmoko-email at angelo.ca  Sat Dec  6 18:46:31 2008
From: openmoko-email at angelo.ca (Angelo)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:46:31 -0500
Subject: Pre-owned FreeRunner, GSM 850 for Canada and United States
Message-ID: <493ABA77.1040000@angelo.ca>

I have a GSM 850 Openmoko FreeRunner that I only purchased in July and 
have not had the time to get into the source as I would have liked.  As 
such, I would like to sell someone my pre-owned FreeRunner (with all 
original cables and sd card) so they can get more use out of it than I 
have.  I am looking for $300US or best offer, so drop me a line at 
openmoko-email(a)angelo.ca

I am still looking forward to get involved in the Openmoko community 
down the line as I completely stand by ideology behind open software 
(and hardware, in this case).

I am located in Toronto, Ontario, so if there is anyone in the general 
area looking to save on shipping, I can definitely do that.

Cheers,
Angelo
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From pander at users.sourceforge.net  Sat Dec  6 18:59:19 2008
From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 18:59:19 +0100
Subject: Global Domination 0.9
In-Reply-To: <493AB3C9.6090205@openmoko.com>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>	<49054F4F.9010408@users.sourceforge.net>	<4935DF6E.7050703@gmail.com>	<200812030951.44535.haduong@centre-cired.fr>	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>	<493A6706.3070707@openmoko.com>	<69a2e4550812060556m20c874a6x7370fec68acecc4a@mail.gmail.com>	<493AAD0C.6020606@openmoko.com>	<op.ulq2471e41evsb@ginguppin>
	<493AB3C9.6090205@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <493ABD77.70003@users.sourceforge.net>

Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
> On 12/7/08 arne anka wrote:
>> i'd like to see "placement" as poster!
>> questions:
>> - measures are in inches etc only -- what about more widely used and  
>> understood units?
>> - currencies do not include euro
>> are this limitations of caffepress or by openmoko?

better to pay in dollars then in euro if you are in a country with euro
currency at the moment ;)

> 
> Unfortunately these are limitations of CafePress.
> 
>    -Sean
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community




From cyberfrag at gmx.net  Sat Dec  6 19:40:16 2008
From: cyberfrag at gmx.net (Andreas "Cyberfrag" Fischer)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:40:16 +0100
Subject: [testing] WSOD gone
Message-ID: <493AC710.6010707@gmx.net>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi All,

Wohoo, after today's kernel upgrade the infamous WSOD seems to be gone
for me. I rebooted the phone and am now running for several hours
without encoutering WSOD. The phone seems to reliably wake up from
suspend at incoming calls (tested only once, though) and performs quite
fine after manual resume. I didn't test incoming SMS, yet.

Anyway - good job guys. Now I only need a fix for the annoying echo to
have a (in my point of view) fully functional phone.

Regards,
Andreas
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From joerg at openmoko.org  Sat Dec  6 19:44:16 2008
From: joerg at openmoko.org (Joerg Reisenweber)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:44:16 +0800
Subject: How to remove microSD card
In-Reply-To: <4937D7B6.3010801@openmoko.com>
References: <20081203200506.6bf75990@franky> <gh6n84$b5g$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<4937D7B6.3010801@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <200812070244.17712.joerg@openmoko.org>

Yeah, and manufacturer of the component doesn't even pay royalties while still 
using it on his newest bunch of card-fixtures ;-)
http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/sdcard-handle/
/j


Am Do  4. Dezember 2008 schrieb Steve Mosher:
> I think joerg patented that.
> 
> Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote:
> > Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> >> Ok, so I'm feeling totally moronic now ... I'm pretty sure I entered my
> >> microSD card some 3 months ago, but I can't seem to figure out how to
> >> remove it again ... some howto for a gta02? I can't seem to find any
> >> lever or pressure thingie to get it to pop open there and the info
> >> mentioned on
> > 
> > What about using a piece of scotch tape to pull the metal?
> > 
> 


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From alx.girard at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 20:33:00 2008
From: alx.girard at gmail.com (Alexandre Girard)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:33:00 +0100
Subject: [testing] WSOD gone
In-Reply-To: <493AC710.6010707@gmx.net>
References: <493AC710.6010707@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <CD587199-C3F5-49E3-9010-C51DCC58F1E7@gmail.com>

Hi Andreas,

That's a great news I was looking for :)

Where to get and download this image?

Cheers,

Alex

El 06/12/2008, a las 19:40, Andreas Cyberfrag Fischer escribi?:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hi All,
>
> Wohoo, after today's kernel upgrade the infamous WSOD seems to be gone
> for me. I rebooted the phone and am now running for several hours
> without encoutering WSOD. The phone seems to reliably wake up from
> suspend at incoming calls (tested only once, though) and performs  
> quite
> fine after manual resume. I didn't test incoming SMS, yet.
>
> Anyway - good job guys. Now I only need a fix for the annoying echo to
> have a (in my point of view) fully functional phone.
>
> Regards,
> Andreas
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From cyberfrag at gmx.net  Sat Dec  6 23:00:24 2008
From: cyberfrag at gmx.net (Andreas "Cyberfrag" Fischer)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:00:24 +0100
Subject: [testing] WSOD gone
In-Reply-To: <CD587199-C3F5-49E3-9010-C51DCC58F1E7@gmail.com>
References: <493AC710.6010707@gmx.net>
	<CD587199-C3F5-49E3-9010-C51DCC58F1E7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493AF5F8.7050706@gmx.net>

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Am 06.12.2008 20:33, Alexandre Girard schrieb:
> Hi Andreas,
> 
> That's a great news I was looking for :)
> 
> Where to get and download this image?

Hi Alex,

This is on the testing branch. Flash OM2008.9, switch to testing as
described here:
http://n2.nabble.com/Optimization-team-update-%2811-23-%7E-11-29%29-td1595015.html#a1600801
and do a full update (opkg update && opkg upgrade).

If you want to stay on the safe side however, I'd recommend to wait for
the upcoming stable release 200?.??.

Regards,
Andreas

> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Alex
> 
> El 06/12/2008, a las 19:40, Andreas Cyberfrag Fischer escribi?:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Wohoo, after today's kernel upgrade the infamous WSOD seems to be gone
> for me. I rebooted the phone and am now running for several hours
> without encoutering WSOD. The phone seems to reliably wake up from
> suspend at incoming calls (tested only once, though) and performs  
> quite
> fine after manual resume. I didn't test incoming SMS, yet.
> 
> Anyway - good job guys. Now I only need a fix for the annoying echo to
> have a (in my point of view) fully functional phone.
> 
> Regards,
> Andreas
>>
_______________________________________________
Openmoko community mailing list
community at lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

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From wpmaillist at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 00:10:28 2008
From: wpmaillist at gmail.com (wp)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 00:10:28 +0100
Subject: Global Domination 0.9
In-Reply-To: <493ABD77.70003@users.sourceforge.net>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4935DF6E.7050703@gmail.com>
	<200812030951.44535.haduong@centre-cired.fr>
	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org> <493A6706.3070707@openmoko.com>
	<69a2e4550812060556m20c874a6x7370fec68acecc4a@mail.gmail.com>
	<493AAD0C.6020606@openmoko.com> <op.ulq2471e41evsb@ginguppin>
	<493AB3C9.6090205@openmoko.com> <493ABD77.70003@users.sourceforge.net>
Message-ID: <e58eb83a0812061510u7b9daf6dm9d57df5c9df1317c@mail.gmail.com>

What about another shop, maybe on www.spreadshirt.net? It would be
easier to buy for european community.



From steve at openmoko.com  Sun Dec  7 02:48:17 2008
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:48:17 -0800
Subject: Global Domination 0.9
In-Reply-To: <493A8AB7.6040201@users.sourceforge.net>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>	<49054F4F.9010408@users.sourceforge.net>	<4935DF6E.7050703@gmail.com>	<200812030951.44535.haduong@centre-cired.fr>	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>	<493A6706.3070707@openmoko.com>	<69a2e4550812060556m20c874a6x7370fec68acecc4a@mail.gmail.com>
	<493A8AB7.6040201@users.sourceforge.net>
Message-ID: <493B2B61.1070001@openmoko.com>

Ya we tried the transparency. We'll give it another go.

Pander wrote:
> Nice! By the way, you could use transparency for background when
> printing on a black t-shirt.
> 
> I came across these two:
> 
> http://www.spreadshirt.com/us/US/-/Search-3375/Marketplace/Products/list/search/openmoko/
> 
> http://211795.spreadshirt.net/en/DE/Shop
> 
> See also:
>   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Advertising
> 
> Perhaps better to consolidate all apparel into one site and give the
> extra margin to sponsored development for openmoko.
> 
> rakshat hooja wrote:
>> Is ir possible to have a T-Shirt with the Open CAD poster design. That
>> would be cool.
>>
>> Rakshat
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com
>> <mailto:steve at openmoko.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>      Community.
>>
>>       At your urging we have opened a storefront to sell Openmoko
>>     merchandise.
>>
>>       http://www.cafepress.com/openmoko_inc
>>
>>       Sean and I had a couple of hours to kill this weekend. He did all the
>>     work and I pushed him to release ASAP. Going forward we will add more
>>     products and improve the look of the store; so, post your ideas and we
>>     will build up the offerings in the store.  The profits will go to
>>     bounties and other programs to aid the community.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Openmoko community mailing list
>>     community at lists.openmoko.org <mailto:community at lists.openmoko.org>
>>     http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> --------------
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>> and is also a very feature rich browser.
>> www.firefox.com <http://www.firefox.com>
>>
>>
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From steve at openmoko.com  Sun Dec  7 02:57:28 2008
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:57:28 -0800
Subject: Global Domination 0.9
In-Reply-To: <op.ulq2471e41evsb@ginguppin>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>	<49054F4F.9010408@users.sourceforge.net>
	<4935DF6E.7050703@gmail.com>	<200812030951.44535.haduong@centre-cired.fr>	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>
	<493A6706.3070707@openmoko.com>	<69a2e4550812060556m20c874a6x7370fec68acecc4a@mail.gmail.com>	<493AAD0C.6020606@openmoko.com>
	<op.ulq2471e41evsb@ginguppin>
Message-ID: <493B2D88.9090309@openmoko.com>

  we didnt limit the dimensions to English. Sean and I both are multi 
currency multi measurement standards kinds of guys.

"what about more widely used and
 > understood units?"

We be happy with cubits and quatloos, but I think we were stuck with 
inches and dollars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gamesters_of_Triskelion

arne anka wrote:
> i'd like to see "placement" as poster!
> questions:
> - measures are in inches etc only -- what about more widely used and  
> understood units?
> - currencies do not include euro
> are this limitations of caffepress or by openmoko?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



From john_lee at openmoko.com  Sun Dec  7 03:43:30 2008
From: john_lee at openmoko.com (John Lee)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:43:30 +0800
Subject: [testing] WSOD gone
In-Reply-To: <493AF5F8.7050706@gmx.net>
References: <493AC710.6010707@gmx.net>
	<CD587199-C3F5-49E3-9010-C51DCC58F1E7@gmail.com>
	<493AF5F8.7050706@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20081207024330.GA21110@localhost>

On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 11:00:24PM +0100, Andreas Cyberfrag Fischer wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Am 06.12.2008 20:33, Alexandre Girard schrieb:
> > Hi Andreas,
> > 
> > That's a great news I was looking for :)
> > 
> > Where to get and download this image?
> 
> Hi Alex,
> 
> This is on the testing branch. Flash OM2008.9, switch to testing as
> described here:
> http://n2.nabble.com/Optimization-team-update-%2811-23-%7E-11-29%29-td1595015.html#a1600801
> and do a full update (opkg update && opkg upgrade).
> 
> If you want to stay on the safe side however, I'd recommend to wait for
> the upcoming stable release 200?.??.
> 
> Regards,
> Andreas

Or flashing the testing image directly...

http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/



> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Alex
> > 
> > El 06/12/2008, a las 19:40, Andreas Cyberfrag Fischer escribi?:
> > 
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > Wohoo, after today's kernel upgrade the infamous WSOD seems to be gone
> > for me. I rebooted the phone and am now running for several hours
> > without encoutering WSOD. The phone seems to reliably wake up from
> > suspend at incoming calls (tested only once, though) and performs  
> > quite
> > fine after manual resume. I didn't test incoming SMS, yet.
> > 
> > Anyway - good job guys. Now I only need a fix for the annoying echo to
> > have a (in my point of view) fully functional phone.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Andreas



From rdmyers at mtpalomar.net  Sun Dec  7 05:00:36 2008
From: rdmyers at mtpalomar.net (Rodney Myers)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:00:36 -0800
Subject: working SIM install, network problems - update
In-Reply-To: <8e354bdf0812040357q5a1fd8c2o272ad5e8ab1e1cfa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AA9B942-E268-402F-A08A-67380C4939F2@mtpalomar.net>
	<8e354bdf0812040357q5a1fd8c2o272ad5e8ab1e1cfa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009155C0-8BE6-4558-A002-AE86DA8ABAE0@mtpalomar.net>


On Dec 4, 2008, at 3:57 AM, clare johnstone wrote:

> At this stage I can  do
> ssh root at 192.168.0.202
>
> Normally it will argue and I have to edit the file ~/.ssh/known hosts
> by removing the line it is objecting to. It will then agree to the  
> ssh.
> Most people automate that process to avoid the editing etc but that
> is a matter of taste only. Once you have things going without trouble
> you can automate a lot of things.
>
> good luck,
> clare

  Thank you for your scripts. I "think" I edited them to correlate  
tthem to my network;

192.168.1.0/24

I now can ssh into the OM, and set the time to my local "America/ 
Los_Angeles". One step ahead.

I can ping the debian machine, and everything on my lan, but nothing  
outside the lan.

the debian machine ifconfig;

usb0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr AA:3D:4C:60:CA:C9
           inet addr:192.168.0.200  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask: 
255.255.255.0
           inet6 addr: fe80::a83d:4cff:fe60:cac9/64 Scope:Link
           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
           RX packets:672 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
           TX packets:1116 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
           RX bytes:93013 (90.8 KiB)  TX bytes:120305 (117.4 KiB)


the OM ifconfig;

lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
           inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
           inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
           UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
           RX packets:11 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
           TX packets:11 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
           collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
           RX bytes:1033 (1.0 KiB)  TX bytes:1033 (1.0 KiB)

usb0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr ae:f6:a0:3f:a1:27
           inet addr:192.168.0.202  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask: 
255.255.255.0
           inet6 addr: fe80::acf6:a0ff:fe3f:a127/64 Scope:Link
           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
           RX packets:1134 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
           TX packets:681 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
           RX bytes:106049 (103.5 KiB)  TX bytes:103447 (101.0 KiB)

the OM output of "netstat -er"

netstat -er
Kernel IP routing table
Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref     
Use Iface
192.168.0.0     *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0         
0 usb0
default         one             0.0.0.0         UG    0      0         
0 usb0


My interpretation of ths scripts;

cat bin/OM-config
#!/bin/sh
/sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
/sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0

rodney at riverside:~$ cat bin/om-network
#!/bin/sh
/bin/echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
iptables -F
iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0  -d 192.168.0.200   -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.0.200  -i eth+  -d 192.168.0.202  -j  
ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.1.0/24  -i eth+  -d 192.168.0.202  -j  
ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.1.0/24  -i eth+  -d 192.168.2.0/24  -j  
ACCEPT

iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0 -d 192.168.2.0/24 -o eth+  
-j ACCEPT
iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.1.0/24 -i eth+ -d 192.168.0.202 -o usb0  
-j ACCEPT

iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.1.0/24 -o eth+   -j ACCEPT
iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.0.202 -o usb0  -j ACCEPT
iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24

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From damien.thebault at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 06:05:07 2008
From: damien.thebault at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Damien_Th=E9bault?=)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 06:05:07 +0100
Subject: [gentoo] tslib: Unknown event type 0
In-Reply-To: <1098fcb90812060210p598b882fh5769fc3dec6290d6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1098fcb90812060210p598b882fh5769fc3dec6290d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9a4a382a0812062105ufc8d636r971812a3b3d15a12@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/6 ?ukasz Holetzke <lukasz.holetzke at gmail.com>:
> someone uses gentoo here?

Yes, there's a project on projects.openmoko.org too (with a mailing-list and
everything ;)):
http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/gentoo/

> I've run into problems with the touchscreen and x11-input-tslib on gentoo.
> First - the pointercal data, which i've copied from om-2008.09 is not
> valid - I trying to 'repair' this manually - changing numbers, got so
> far the y-axis (is there any software to do it better?).

Last time I tried, I think it was working with the following values:
390 38240 -4332684 -51177 -123 47146512 65536

> Next, if i touch the screen or move with finger/stylus over the screen:
> tslib: Unknown event type 0

I had this problem the first time, the fix was a little patch, now available
on the gentoo at openmoko overlay:

http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/*checkout*/trunk/openmoko-target/x11-libs/tslib/files/tslib-1.0-UnknownEventType0.patch?content-type=text%2Fplain&rev=15&root=gentoo

I think that the driver is not telling that EV_SYN is available in its
capabilities bits,
so tslib doesn't recognize EV_SYN events (EV_SYN is event type 0 according to
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval ).

A better fix would be check why it is done this way and do this right in the
driver (maybe my analysis is wrong too, it needs to be checked).
It may be interesting to see how this is done in other distributions too.

And there's a patch in mokomakefiles called tslib-input_raw-grab_events.patch
that may be interesting to use too.

Regards,
-- 
Damien "tuXXX" Thebault

From freerunner at newkirk.us  Sun Dec  7 06:41:35 2008
From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 00:41:35 -0500
Subject: working SIM install, network problems - update
In-Reply-To: <009155C0-8BE6-4558-A002-AE86DA8ABAE0@mtpalomar.net>
References: <009155C0-8BE6-4558-A002-AE86DA8ABAE0@mtpalomar.net>
Message-ID: <84f838bc7beb058909b260b39070fd37@localhost>

On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:00:36 -0800, Rodney Myers <rdmyers at mtpalomar.net>
wrote:
> 
> On Dec 4, 2008, at 3:57 AM, clare johnstone wrote:
> 
>> At this stage I can  do
>> ssh root at 192.168.0.202
>>
>> Normally it will argue and I have to edit the file ~/.ssh/known hosts
>> by removing the line it is objecting to. It will then agree to the
>> ssh.
>> Most people automate that process to avoid the editing etc but that
>> is a matter of taste only. Once you have things going without trouble
>> you can automate a lot of things.
>>
>> good luck,
>> clare
> 
>   Thank you for your scripts. I "think" I edited them to correlate
> tthem to my network;
> 
> 192.168.1.0/24
> 
> I now can ssh into the OM, and set the time to my local "America/
> Los_Angeles". One step ahead.
> 
> I can ping the debian machine, and everything on my lan, but nothing
> outside the lan.

[snip]

> My interpretation of ths scripts;
> 
> cat bin/OM-config
> #!/bin/sh
> /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
> /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0
> 
> rodney at riverside:~$ cat bin/om-network
> #!/bin/sh
> /bin/echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
> iptables -F
> iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0  -d 192.168.0.200   -j ACCEPT
> iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.0.200  -i eth+  -d 192.168.0.202  -j
> ACCEPT
> iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.1.0/24  -i eth+  -d 192.168.0.202  -j
> ACCEPT
> iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.1.0/24  -i eth+  -d 192.168.2.0/24  -j
> ACCEPT
> 
> iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0 -d 192.168.2.0/24 -o eth+
> -j ACCEPT
> iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.1.0/24 -i eth+ -d 192.168.0.202 -o usb0
> -j ACCEPT
> 
> iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.1.0/24 -o eth+   -j ACCEPT
> iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.0.202 -o usb0  -j ACCEPT
> iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24

Is this the complete firewall script??  There's several things missing, and
a couple possible errors.  (since you only posted ifconfig info for usb0 on
the host I can't tell if the 192.168.2.0/24 are typos, or correct with
missing rules) Now, since you say you can ping everything on the LAN, and
have only the two FORWARD rules listed, I'm going to assume a typo and that
you have just 192.168.1.0/24 in play.

A few points:

You have rules to accept INPUT from 192.168.1.0/24 for destIP
192.168.0.202, but this should never be the case - INPUT is only packets
with an IP on 'this' machine as destination, OUTPUT is packets from 'this'
machine, FORWARD is packets from somewhere else TO somewhere else that are
just being FORWARDed by 'this' machine.

"iptables -F" flushes all rules from the 'filter' table's chains - INPUT,
OUTPUT and FORWARD.  But it doesn't touch the 'nat' table (PREROUTING,
POSTROUTING, and OUTPUT chains) unless you separately invoke "iptables -t
nat -F", and it doesn't set/change the default chain policies.  I'm not
sure if this is really what you want to do anyway - doesn't the host
already have a set of firewall rules in place? If so you're likely better
off adding rules to permit the FR instead of flushing everything that's
already in place.

Presuming the host communicates fine to begin with, instead of ALL of the
iptables commands above, try these (NOTE there's NOT an 'iptables -F' to
flush the existing rules, we're just appending additional rules):

iptables -A INPUT -i usb0 -s 192.168.0.202 -j ACCEPT
iptables -A FORWARD -i usb0 -s 192.168.0.202 -j ACCEPT
iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
iptables -A OUTPUT -o usb0 -j ACCEPT
iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j MASQUERADE

The first rule lets the FR talk to the host, the second lets it talk
/through/ the host to whatever else is reachable, the third lets the
response to that traffic back through to the FR (we're invoking the
connection-tracking state engine where replies, like web pages when you
browse, are ESTABLISHED connections, while RELATED connections includes
things like ICMP dest unreachable being 'related' to an attempted
connection, FTP data being 'related' to FTP control port 21, RTP related to
SIP for VOIP,  etc), fourth lets the host talk to the FR, fifth NATs any
packets from the FR that are going out on the LAN so that they appear to be
from the host, and replies will route correctly back to the host.

The OUTPUT rule should only be needed if your host has a REALLY tight
firewall: often the OUTPUT chain is left in an 'allow all' state, with few
or no rules and 'ACCEPT' policy.  ("iptables -p OUTPUT ACCEPT" sets this,
the policy is listed after the chain name OUTPUT when you list the rules
with something like "iptables -vnL OUTPUT")  OUTPUT rules are really only
useful when you don't trust the host itself, IE on a multiuser system,
shared server, etc. 

Finally, if there is already a complex set of rules in place, you may
benefit from using INSERT instead of APPEND - just replace all '-A' with
'-I' and it will insert rules at the start of the chain, or '-I INPUT 4'
for example to insert a new rule #4, the current rule #4 becoming #5 etc. 
If there's any REJECT or DROP rules in the chain, inserting these at the
top will ensure that the FR traffic gets through without puzzling out which
rule might be stopping you.

j

-- 
Joel Newkirk
http://jthinks.com      (blog)
http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff)




From unachievable at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 10:05:41 2008
From: unachievable at gmail.com (ivvmm)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:05:41 +0300
Subject: [testing] WSOD gone
In-Reply-To: <493AC710.6010707@gmx.net>
References: <493AC710.6010707@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <493B91E5.10406@gmail.com>

Andreas "Cyberfrag" Fischer wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Wohoo, after today's kernel upgrade the infamous WSOD seems to be gone
> for me. I rebooted the phone and am now running for several hours
> without encoutering WSOD. The phone seems to reliably wake up from
> suspend at incoming calls (tested only once, though) and performs quite
> fine after manual resume. I didn't test incoming SMS, yet.
> 
> Anyway - good job guys. Now I only need a fix for the annoying echo to
> have a (in my point of view) fully functional phone.
> 
> Regards,
> Andreas

You said you updated with opkg update && opkg upgrade

But is kernel being upgraded if you are updating this way? I just wonder.


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From cyberfrag at gmx.net  Sun Dec  7 10:51:07 2008
From: cyberfrag at gmx.net (Andreas "Cyberfrag" Fischer)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:51:07 +0100
Subject: [testing] WSOD gone
In-Reply-To: <20081207024330.GA21110@localhost>
References: <493AC710.6010707@gmx.net>	<CD587199-C3F5-49E3-9010-C51DCC58F1E7@gmail.com>	<493AF5F8.7050706@gmx.net>
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Am 07.12.2008 03:43, John Lee schrieb:
> On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 11:00:24PM +0100, Andreas Cyberfrag Fischer wrote:
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>> Am 06.12.2008 20:33, Alexandre Girard schrieb:
>>> Hi Andreas,
>>>
>>> That's a great news I was looking for :)
>>>
>>> Where to get and download this image?
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> This is on the testing branch. Flash OM2008.9, switch to testing as
>> described here:
>> http://n2.nabble.com/Optimization-team-update-%2811-23-%7E-11-29%29-td1595015.html#a1600801
>> and do a full update (opkg update && opkg upgrade).
>>
>> If you want to stay on the safe side however, I'd recommend to wait for
>> the upcoming stable release 200?.??.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andreas
> 
> Or flashing the testing image directly...
> 
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/

Ah - ok. I wasn't aware of that.

Regards,
Andreas
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From cyberfrag at gmx.net  Sun Dec  7 10:53:37 2008
From: cyberfrag at gmx.net (Andreas "Cyberfrag" Fischer)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:53:37 +0100
Subject: [testing] WSOD gone
In-Reply-To: <493B91E5.10406@gmail.com>
References: <493AC710.6010707@gmx.net> <493B91E5.10406@gmail.com>
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Am 07.12.2008 10:05, ivvmm schrieb:
> Andreas "Cyberfrag" Fischer wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Wohoo, after today's kernel upgrade the infamous WSOD seems to be gone
>> for me. I rebooted the phone and am now running for several hours
>> without encoutering WSOD. The phone seems to reliably wake up from
>> suspend at incoming calls (tested only once, though) and performs quite
>> fine after manual resume. I didn't test incoming SMS, yet.
>>
>> Anyway - good job guys. Now I only need a fix for the annoying echo to
>> have a (in my point of view) fully functional phone.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andreas
> 
> You said you updated with opkg update && opkg upgrade
> 
> But is kernel being upgraded if you are updating this way? I just wonder.

Yes, the kernel was definitely updated from one git revision to another
(same major/minor number though). There was a section during the upgrade
where the kernel was explicitely written to its flash partition
(messages about "XYZ bytes written" - or somewhat like that - flushed by).

Regards,
Andreas
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From peter at familienijs.be  Sun Dec  7 12:13:54 2008
From: peter at familienijs.be (Peter Nijs)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:13:54 +0100
Subject: wifi using GUI in 2008.9
Message-ID: <200812071214.03054.peter@familienijs.be>

Hi,

The wiki says that I can use the gui in the settings-application to even 
connect to a wpa2 protected network. Now I tried that with an open network 
and it works. (except for rerouting, which I still have to do using terminal. 
It also thinks it failed even when it succeeded.) But I was never able to 
connect to my protected network, probably because I type in the PSK wrong. 
Isn't there a way to preload the neo with the key via ssh in a config file? 
Because having to type it is really a pain in the rear. Also I have noticed 
the gui doesn't store the password, but maybe it's because it thinks the 
connection failed.

I want to use the gui because it otherwise seems to interfere with mofi or 
lint (or the ifup, wpa_supplicant). It is also the nearest to usable tool to 
connect to a network. The only things I would like to see improved are:
-a config, or config files for each AP
-reroute through eth0
-know when it is connected and don't say it failed when it succeeded.

In a further stadium 802.1x would be nice.

greetings,
depeje
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From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Sun Dec  7 12:17:19 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:17:19 +0100
Subject: wifi using GUI in 2008.9
In-Reply-To: <200812071214.03054.peter@familienijs.be>
References: <200812071214.03054.peter@familienijs.be>
Message-ID: <op.ulshm5om41evsb@ginguppin>

> Isn't there a way to preload the neo with the key via ssh in a config  
> file?

/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf



From aapo.rantalainen at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 12:55:17 2008
From: aapo.rantalainen at gmail.com (Aapo Rantalainen)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:55:17 +0200
Subject: Openttd is now in opkg.org!
Message-ID: <d67d61f10812070355i4aed422dr4d83d7c0f7e651dd@mail.gmail.com>

Openttd is now in opkg.org!
It is game.

It contains gpl-graphics (version alpha2). They are not all ready,
there might be some black boxis.

Enable scrolling-with-stylus:
Advanced settings
    ->Interface
     -> Left-click scrolling: On (this string is not localized)

Using scrolling:
Point 'empty'-tile on screen and drag. (empty = anything that do not
do anything when clicked: ground, trees, roads, water...)

There are no sounds in this package. (only dummy sample.cat).
There are no music in this package.

There are project to make gpl-sounds and gpl-music, I will check how
ready they are and do them work with freerunner. And do we want that
package is ~80 megas greater because of background music?

-Aapo Rantalainen



From martinsenkerik at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 13:11:45 2008
From: martinsenkerik at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Martin_=C5=A0enke=C5=99=C3=ADk?=)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:11:45 +0100
Subject: Openttd is now in opkg.org!
In-Reply-To: <d67d61f10812070355i4aed422dr4d83d7c0f7e651dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d67d61f10812070355i4aed422dr4d83d7c0f7e651dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <725bc0ca0812070411u40ebf7e9q44ccf7ecc81299a9@mail.gmail.com>

We can have two packages - with and without sounds.

The music is going to be in MIDI format? Is FR capable to play MIDI?

(I would be happy to have sounds and music with Openttd)

Martin

On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Aapo Rantalainen
<aapo.rantalainen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Openttd is now in opkg.org!
> It is game.
>
> It contains gpl-graphics (version alpha2). They are not all ready,
> there might be some black boxis.
>
> Enable scrolling-with-stylus:
> Advanced settings
>    ->Interface
>     -> Left-click scrolling: On (this string is not localized)
>
> Using scrolling:
> Point 'empty'-tile on screen and drag. (empty = anything that do not
> do anything when clicked: ground, trees, roads, water...)
>
> There are no sounds in this package. (only dummy sample.cat).
> There are no music in this package.
>
> There are project to make gpl-sounds and gpl-music, I will check how
> ready they are and do them work with freerunner. And do we want that
> package is ~80 megas greater because of background music?
>
> -Aapo Rantalainen
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



From theBohemian at gmx.net  Sun Dec  7 13:30:14 2008
From: theBohemian at gmx.net (Robert Schuster)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:30:14 +0100
Subject: Openttd is now in opkg.org!
In-Reply-To: <d67d61f10812070355i4aed422dr4d83d7c0f7e651dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d67d61f10812070355i4aed422dr4d83d7c0f7e651dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493BC1D6.20900@gmx.net>

Hi Aapo,

Aapo Rantalainen schrieb:
> Openttd is now in opkg.org!
I would like it better if the bitbake recipe changes can be moved into OE.

> It contains gpl-graphics (version alpha2). They are not all ready,
> there might be some black boxis.
Very nice!

> Enable scrolling-with-stylus:
> Advanced settings
>     ->Interface
>      -> Left-click scrolling: On (this string is not localized)
Excellent!

I saw that you are enforcing 480x640 display size by using the -r
argument. Could you make it work like this instead:

Add some code that tries to set does SDL_SetVideoMode(width, height,
...) and if that fails try again with SDL_SetVideoMode(height, width,
...) automagically. If that succeeds update the chosen display size and
continue, if not bail out. That way people can switch between landscape
and portrait mode and the game will alway display correctly. I added a
similar logic to KoboDeluxe. See the patches in OE for details.

One note regarding this: The OE machine description files have variables
for the display with and height. Please use those instead of hardcoding
for 480x640.

> Using scrolling:
> Point 'empty'-tile on screen and drag. (empty = anything that do not
> do anything when clicked: ground, trees, roads, water...)
Very nice patches indeed. Would you mind publishing them, too. I cannot
put them into OE without them being available
somewhere. :)

> There are no sounds in this package. (only dummy sample.cat).
> There are no music in this package.

> There are project to make gpl-sounds and gpl-music, I will check how
> ready they are and do them work with freerunner. And do we want that
> package is ~80 megas greater because of background music?
Same issue as with wesnoth. Solution is to provide it as an optional
package and make the openttd clever enough to work without sound files.

Last but not least: If you can get your changes to OpenTTD upstream that
would be fantastic.

Regards
Robert

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From odinshorse at googlemail.com  Sun Dec  7 13:57:31 2008
From: odinshorse at googlemail.com (Sven 'sleipnir' Rebhan)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:57:31 +0100
Subject: [gentoo] tslib: Unknown event type 0
In-Reply-To: <1098fcb90812060210p598b882fh5769fc3dec6290d6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1098fcb90812060210p598b882fh5769fc3dec6290d6@mail.gmail.com>
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2008/12/6 ?ukasz Holetzke <lukasz.holetzke at gmail.com>:
> Hi,
>
> someone uses gentoo here?

Yes, I do. :-)

> I've run into problems with the touchscreen and x11-input-tslib on gentoo.
> First - the pointercal data, which i've copied from om-2008.09 is not
> valid - I trying to 'repair' this manually - changing numbers, got so
> far the y-axis (is there any software to do it better?).

You can use the command "ts_calibrate" to determine the calibration
parameters for your screen.

> Next, if i touch the screen or move with finger/stylus over the screen:
> tslib: Unknown event type 0

As Damien already said, please use our overlay and report back any
problems or difficulties to the bugtracker!

Best regards,

    Sven

From sander at 3v8.net  Sun Dec  7 14:19:30 2008
From: sander at 3v8.net (Sander van Grieken)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:19:30 +0100
Subject: Openttd is now in opkg.org!
In-Reply-To: <493BC1D6.20900@gmx.net>
References: <d67d61f10812070355i4aed422dr4d83d7c0f7e651dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<493BC1D6.20900@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <200812071419.31682.sander@3v8.net>

On Sunday 07 December 2008 13:30:14 Robert Schuster wrote:
> Hi Aapo,
>
> Aapo Rantalainen schrieb:
> > Openttd is now in opkg.org!
>
> I would like it better if the bitbake recipe changes can be moved into OE.

That's theory. In practice, you submit the recipe plus patches in OE 
bugtracker and then it's forgotten about.

I submitted 2 games there a couple of months ago and they're still not merged, 
and thus not available to the openmoko community, except in binary form from 
opkg.org

I'd say, submit new recipies to the OM bugtracker instead of OE, maybe there's 
more chance they'll get merged.

-Sander




From rakshat at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 14:30:11 2008
From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:00:11 +0530
Subject: Global Domination 0.9
In-Reply-To: <493AAD0C.6020606@openmoko.com>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>
	<49054F4F.9010408@users.sourceforge.net> <4935DF6E.7050703@gmail.com>
	<200812030951.44535.haduong@centre-cired.fr>
	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org> <493A6706.3070707@openmoko.com>
	<69a2e4550812060556m20c874a6x7370fec68acecc4a@mail.gmail.com>
	<493AAD0C.6020606@openmoko.com>
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On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> wrote:

>
>
> rakshat hooja wrote:
> > Is ir possible to have a T-Shirt with the Open CAD poster design. That
> > would be cool.
>
> Here you go:
>
>   http://www.cafepress.com/openmoko_inc.337325440
>
> I put a few more colors up there, too. Let me know if you like this.
>
>   -Sean
>

Thanks. I am ordering one in black right now.

Rakshat




>
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From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Sun Dec  7 16:15:41 2008
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:15:41 +0000
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <20081202074608.GF4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<49dd78620812011329w37b09629v5d4c971605d5c926@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081202074608.GF4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <49dd78620812070715v1924475bs969373528786d672@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/2 John Lee <john_lee at openmoko.com>:
> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 09:29:48PM +0000, Neil Jerram wrote:
>>
>> Apologies in advance for what may be a dumb question - but does this
>> statement represent the conclusion of your team's work on audio issues
>> (buzz/echo/hiss etc.)?  Or is there further work ongoing?
>
> No, it's not the conclusion.  We will keep working on that.

That's good to know; thanks.

> Okay, I will think about this.  I think the only real limitation here
> is we cannot ask everyone to do the soldering by him/her self, other
> then that, any software based solution is possible.  Let me dig this
> deeper with the kernel and hw people.

I haven't done any soldering for years.  But I will risk doing it - or
get someone to do it for me - if it is sufficiently clear exactly what
needs doing, and the probability is high enough that it will solve the
problem.

Of course, I also see that there will be some who completely rule that out.

So basically I agree with you.  The key thing is to have a crystal
clear description of the options.

Regards,
        Neil



From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Sun Dec  7 16:22:58 2008
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:22:58 +0000
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <49359DC0.2000300@openmoko.com>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<49dd78620812011329w37b09629v5d4c971605d5c926@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081202074608.GF4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
	<49359DC0.2000300@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <49dd78620812070722v5615b8a2ie83fcc84f268561d@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/2 Andy Green <andy at openmoko.com>:
>
> "buzz / echo / hiss"... no software change can fix buzz.  It's baked
> into the hardware and you will have to do fairly extreme meddling with
> your soldering iron to impact it.

Thanks, I hadn't seen that so clearly stated before!  (i.e. that buzz
is known to be 100% a hardware issue).

> "Echo" reacts to some tweaking in alsa and maybe Calypso firmware option
> selection, I guess this turn up in rootfs images as best it can.

OK, but do you need to be so imprecise about this?  What can't there
be a definitive solution?

> "Hiss and Etc" I didn't hear about, but I don't think kernel or hardware
> world can cover for any of it on existing device.  Only button to push
> in userspace world is optimization of echo I think we find, unless
> "hiss" is somethng like bad channel selection in alsa world.

I must admit that I've never heard the "hiss" either, so I don't know
exactly what it means... but someone that I called a few days ago said
there was a strong hiss on the line.

(In retrospect, I should at least have tried calling again, as maybe
it was just a line issue.)

Regards,
       Neil



From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Sun Dec  7 16:24:29 2008
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:24:29 +0000
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <49dd78620812070722v5615b8a2ie83fcc84f268561d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<49dd78620812011329w37b09629v5d4c971605d5c926@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081202074608.GF4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
	<49359DC0.2000300@openmoko.com>
	<49dd78620812070722v5615b8a2ie83fcc84f268561d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49dd78620812070724v7cd19552gf9ed565f56166434@mail.gmail.com>

Oops...

2008/12/7 Neil Jerram <neiljerram at googlemail.com>:
>
> OK, but do you need to be so imprecise about this?  What can't there
> be a definitive solution?

"What" should have been "why".

      Neil



From liedekef at telenet.be  Sun Dec  7 17:16:31 2008
From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:16:31 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <49dd78620812070722v5615b8a2ie83fcc84f268561d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<49dd78620812011329w37b09629v5d4c971605d5c926@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081202074608.GF4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
	<49359DC0.2000300@openmoko.com>
	<49dd78620812070722v5615b8a2ie83fcc84f268561d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081207171631.73180c8c@franky>

On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:22:58 +0000
"Neil Jerram" <neiljerram at googlemail.com> wrote:

> 2008/12/2 Andy Green <andy at openmoko.com>:
> >
> > "buzz / echo / hiss"... no software change can fix buzz.  It's baked
> > into the hardware and you will have to do fairly extreme meddling
> > with your soldering iron to impact it.
> 
> Thanks, I hadn't seen that so clearly stated before!  (i.e. that buzz
> is known to be 100% a hardware issue).

weird though .. as I never experienced buzz in my calls (although I
have to admit I didn't make more than 10 calls max uptill now)

> > "Echo" reacts to some tweaking in alsa and maybe Calypso firmware
> > option selection, I guess this turn up in rootfs images as best it
> > can.
> 
> OK, but do you need to be so imprecise about this?  What can't there
> be a definitive solution?

weird again ... I had major echo issues (for the party calling me that
is), but using %N0187 solved this in one go (I never tried the other at
commands mentioned in another mail that should solve/minimize echo
issues). Using alsa states influenced echo, but only because you in fact
decrease the volume of the calling party. Even more strange is that this
at-command doesn't seem an accepted solution but people try to stop echo
in one or two at-commands at the modem initialization time, and that
doesn't seem to work but still it continues to be the choosen path. I
don't care that this at-command gets send on every call, as long as it
eliminates echo. For me this is the definitive solution.

Franky



From john_lee at openmoko.com  Sun Dec  7 17:50:14 2008
From: john_lee at openmoko.com (John Lee)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:50:14 +0800
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
Message-ID: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>

Dear Community,

Team status update:

As in
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/036792.html
(send/receive files via bluetooth in NEO), Erin keeps working on
bluetooth.  Jeremy fixed some qtopia and location bugs, and will
continue learning more about kernel.  The GTK redraw problem is fixed
now (#1946) so Julian will be back to help with the Paroli edje files
and keeps working on python.  Olv is having kernel fun now, but since
it's gta03 related, you probably won't see him a lot on the public
kernel list.  Tick mostly worked on opkg this week.  Basically there
are two big issues:

* Incorrect behavior: as Tick indicated on devel list, there are still
  some logical error in opkg, which caused some problems during
  upgrade.  That's why I have to use the -force-overwrite option in my
  previous upgrade howto.

* Efficiency: opkg is obviously not very efficient, both in memory and
  in speed.

Maybe we could expect another opkg release soon.


Qtopia:

OM is moving more focus to gta03 now, so my current resource for
qtopia is fairly limited.  Currently the things I want to fix most
are:

* UCSD problem
* Window focus (soft menu disappear, problems when multiple sms come
  in, etc.)
* Partial import of sim contacts.

Please suggest if anything missing and I'll arrange my priorities.


There are several good things worth mentioning last week:

* The infamous WSOD (#1841) seems to be solved.  It's already in
  testing repo.  Praise for all helped in this!

* GTK redraw problem (#1946) solved along with similar problem in qt
  with an illume patch.  Thanks, Raster!


p.s.  It seems my last update might have created an impression that
the only way to try the testing repo is to upgrade from Om2008.9.
It's not true.  Another way is to flash directly from
http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/
if you don't mind reflash the phone.

another p.s. Someone in OM kindly reminds me that my post can create
inappropriate impressions, because although the logic is correct, the
words and tongues might be misleading.  My native language is Chinese
(and I'm a master of words and tongues in Chinese), so it's kind of
difficult for me to enhance this.  All I can do is encouraging you to
go ahead and ask if anything unclear, and keep in mind I'm a Taiwanese
engineer when you read this. ;)


Regards,
John



From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Sun Dec  7 18:12:16 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:12:16 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <20081207171631.73180c8c@franky>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<49dd78620812011329w37b09629v5d4c971605d5c926@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081202074608.GF4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
	<49359DC0.2000300@openmoko.com>
	<49dd78620812070722v5615b8a2ie83fcc84f268561d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081207171631.73180c8c@franky>
Message-ID: <op.ulsx2qi441evsb@ginguppin>

>> > "buzz / echo / hiss"... no software change can fix buzz.  It's baked
>> > into the hardware and you will have to do fairly extreme meddling
>> > with your soldering iron to impact it.
>>
>> Thanks, I hadn't seen that so clearly stated before!  (i.e. that buzz
>> is known to be 100% a hardware issue).

probably since everyone expects everyone else to know it :-)
it was a hot topic some months ago, then someone (j?rg?) came up with the  
definite statement that it is hw related.
since then we're all waiting for working and more or less easy diy fix --  
which seems to be reached now.

> weird though .. as I never experienced buzz in my calls (although I
> have to admit I didn't make more than 10 calls max uptill now)

plug in the wired headset ...

>> > "Echo" reacts to some tweaking in alsa and maybe Calypso firmware
>> > option selection, I guess this turn up in rootfs images as best it
>> > can.
>>
>> OK, but do you need to be so imprecise about this?  What can't there
>> be a definitive solution?

because the echo is caused only partially (if at all) by hardware.  
especially gsm 1800 providers like e-plus in germany have been reported as  
echo prone.
additionally people reported different experiences depending on their  
location in time and space.
and last but not least: nobody knews what exactly N0187 is doing, and if  
it will live trough firmware updates, since it is not documented.

since echo is a very complex issue, there are more then just one solution  
more or less working for more or less people ...



From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Sun Dec  7 18:26:51 2008
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:26:51 +0000
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <49dd78620812070722v5615b8a2ie83fcc84f268561d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost> <49359DC0.2000300@openmoko.com>
	<49dd78620812070722v5615b8a2ie83fcc84f268561d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812071726.51446.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Sunday 07 December 2008, Neil Jerram wrote:
> 2008/12/2 Andy Green <andy at openmoko.com>:
> > "buzz / echo / hiss"... no software change can fix buzz.  It's baked
> > into the hardware and you will have to do fairly extreme meddling with
> > your soldering iron to impact it.
>
> Thanks, I hadn't seen that so clearly stated before!  (i.e. that buzz
> is known to be 100% a hardware issue).
>
> > "Echo" reacts to some tweaking in alsa and maybe Calypso firmware option
> > selection, I guess this turn up in rootfs images as best it can.
>
> OK, but do you need to be so imprecise about this?  What can't there
> be a definitive solution?

It depends partly on what you mean by a definitive solution. If you mean "one 
alsa state file that everyone's happy with" it'll never happen because 
the 'correct' volume level is subjective and depends on ambient noise among 
other variables outside our control. If you mean something that's reasonable 
out of the box and only needs a small tweak of the volume then my experience 
is we have had it since the calypso echo suppression was enabled.

It doesn't help that the echo suppression and noise reduction functions we 
need from the Calypso are undocumented. It seems there are some gain controls 
in the Calypso too. Some of us find that the echo suppression remains 
effective until a reboot while others report it only working for the first 
call, and we don't know the cause. There are several settings available for 
both echo suppression and noise reduction, and they have different audible 
characteristics. Generally the stronger the suppression the more audible its 
action. People don't agree on which ones sound acceptable, and which one you 
use can have a significant effect on the gain you can use before you start 
getting echo.




From canislupusfamiliaris at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 19:02:05 2008
From: canislupusfamiliaris at gmail.com (Hypnotize)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:02:05 +0100
Subject: [Qt Extended]Graphical server doesn't boot
In-Reply-To: <1228484521.3725.11.camel@localhost>
References: <1228484521.3725.11.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <d8e9ce4b0812071002u51303e7em5dcffc679b5edecd@mail.gmail.com>

Have you tried to delete everything that is in the home folder ? (this will
delete your contacts to so you may want to take a backup of qtopia_db.sqlite
in /home/root if I remember correct..

/opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/qpe.sh stop
rm -rf /home/root/*
/opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/qpe.sh start &

or something

-Morten

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:42 PM, ? <flamma at correo.ugr.es> wrote:

> I'm using Qt Extended 4.4.2 flashed into the phone (Freerunner). For
> weeks it has worked perfectly (or the most perfect a distribution can
> work on the neo).
>
> This morning, it went out of battery. I don't know if it booted
> correctly, since I was sleeping.
>
> When I have plugged it into the computer, it doesn't boot. Well, at
> least not Qt Extended. The boot process goes well, it casts the same
> amount of error as usual, but at one point this happens:
>
> Starting at daemon atd.
> splash-write: appplet not found
> Segmentation fault
>
> Then, the screen is deleted and you only see a text cursor flashing,
> like it was loading a graphical server. From time to time, it seems it
> try to bring some screen, but fails (I think I cannot explain better).
>
> Net is initialized, so I can ssh into my phone, but I don't know what to
> do. I have no found sytem logs, nor graphical server log, nor anyother
> useful log.
>
> I have looked in the list, but no one seems to have the same problem.
>
> Any advice?
>
> (It was important that I had my phone usable today T_T).
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From anthropophagite at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 19:07:29 2008
From: anthropophagite at gmail.com (Evgeniy Karyakin)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:07:29 +0300
Subject: [u-boot] Environment garbled after setenv?
Message-ID: <493C10E1.6050701@gmail.com>

Hello!

    While trying to edit u-boot environment I experienced this strange 
behaviour, which, I think, is rare because nobody reported this yet. My 
U-Boot is 1.3.2-moko12 (May 9 2008 - 10:28:48).
    Initially I have menu_1 ("Boot from microSD (FAT+ext2)") as follows:

menu_1=Boot from microSD (FAT+ext2): setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} 
rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts} ro; mmcinit; 
fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x32000000

    Changing it to new one:

setenv menu_1 Boot from microSD (FAT+ext2): setenv bootargs 
glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=10000000 \$\{bootargs_base\} rootfstype=ext2 
root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=4 
regular_boot rootdelay=5 \$\{mtdparts\}\; sleep 1\; mmcinit\; sleep 1\; 
fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 \$\{sd_image_name\}\; bootm 0x32000000

    Note that every special character is escaped. I'm trying to make a 
permanent boot menu for microSD invocation.
    Now it is (taken copy-paste from minicom console with the help of 
printenv):

menu_1=Boot from microSD (FAT+ext2): setenv bootargs 
glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=10000000 ${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext2 
root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=4 
regular_boot rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts}; sleep 1; mmcinit; sleep 1; fatload 
mmc 1 0x32000000 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x32000000

    Seems good. But selecting this menu item "Boot from microSD 
(FAT+etx2)" *on the phone* says something like:

Unknown command 'dout' - try 'help'

    Obviously it's a part of the word "stdout". How?? Other items 
selection and their subsequences:

* "Set console to USB"
   Unknown command '_image=uImage.bin' - try 'help'

* "Set console to serial"
   Unknown command '1973-nand' - try 'help'

* "Reboot" (two error lines exactly as follows!)
   Unknown command '=physman-flash:-(nor)' - try 'help'
   (factory),0x0f6a0000(rootfs)' - try 'help'

* "Power off"
   Unknown command 'actory),0x0f6a0000(rootfs)' - try 'help'

    Only plain "Boot" is working. I can boot from microSD from u-boot 
command line managing it from desktop, and NOR menu works on the phone 
as well if I didn't do any environment changes.
    I see it as environment broken and afraid to say "saveenv" which can 
make this uncertain state permanent. What can it be, have anybody seen this?



From bumbl3x3 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 19:30:07 2008
From: bumbl3x3 at gmail.com (Thomas Bumbl)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:30:07 +0100
Subject: OMoney Milestone 1
Message-ID: <5a4c54db0812071030xb4adcd3n975282c00432359f@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to announce the initial release of OMoney!
OMoney ... bookkeeping on the go.
One might ask, why the hell do we need a bookkeeping software on a phone?
Because my experience shows that if one does not record the gains and
expenses one forgets half of them.
And ... Because we can.

As OMoney is one of those "release early, release often programs"
milestone 1 at the moment includes "only" the following corefeatures:
 * Displays the current available amount of money
 * One can do transactions to add and deduce money
    * Automatic keyboard call
 * A history table which includes date, time, amount, purpose and location
of the transaction
 * Basic error handling

Downloadlink for the ipk:
[1]

More features will come soon:
Currently I am implementing a settings dialog (to e.g. set the currency [at
the moment one has to edit a constant in the omoney file])
For more planned features look at the project's bug tracker.

>From a technical point of view OMoney uses:
 * python
 * python-ecore
 * python-evas
 * python-edje
 * python-etk (for entry and table widget)
 * python-sqlite3

What do I want from you?
 * Feedback:    Do you like the app or do you think the author has gone
round the bend?
        What could be improved?
        Features you would like to see?
        How could one display the history more efficiently?
 * Patches:    If you think a part of code is inefficient, too unflexible,
incomplete, buggy, etc
        feel free to contribute a patch.
        Be kind, this is my first application with GUI

I hope there are a few people who find this application useful.

The sources and the bugtracker are located here [2]

P.S.: Special thanks to Ainulindale for helping me with bitbake.
        And special thanks


[1] http://omoney.googlecode.com/files/omoney_milestone1-1-r0_armv4t.ipk
[2] http://code.google.com/p/omoney/
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From deichkind.08 at schweiz.eu  Sun Dec  7 19:47:07 2008
From: deichkind.08 at schweiz.eu (Marian Flor)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:47:07 +0100
Subject: [u-boot] Environment garbled after setenv?
In-Reply-To: <493C10E1.6050701@gmail.com>
References: <493C10E1.6050701@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228675627.15211.7.camel@firebrick>

Am Sonntag, den 07.12.2008, 21:07 +0300 schrieb Evgeniy Karyakin:

> [u-boot messed up with console and copy&paste editing]

Hi Evgeniy,

have a look at the script configure-uboot.sh (ask google). Make your
changes in the script an run the script instead of using
copy&_waste_ ;-) which is somewhat shaky.

HTH,
Marian





From lists at td-online.co.uk  Sun Dec  7 19:49:45 2008
From: lists at td-online.co.uk (Dave Smith)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:49:45 +0000
Subject: Crackly Calls and Battery Tips!
In-Reply-To: <5a4c54db0812071030xb4adcd3n975282c00432359f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5a4c54db0812071030xb4adcd3n975282c00432359f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493C1AC9.6020302@td-online.co.uk>

Hello folks,

Just a few questions really to kick start me being on this list. :-)

I received my FreeRunner about a week or so ago and have just about got 
around to playing with it a bit more and actually using it. It's running 
FDOM based on recommendations, and picked up my Orange SIM and contacts 
without difficulty.

A few issues I have had though:

1) Recipients of phone calls consistently seem to report a buzz / 
crackling during calls made from the FreeRunner. Apparently the buzz is 
particularly prevelant when I stop speaking, whilst I'm speaking the 
line seems to be clear enough - anyone suffered a similar issue and know 
/ suspect it's cause?

2) Battery Life. I was warned by people before getting the phone that 
battery life wasn't great as of yet, and as I understand from what I 
have it is a fairly high priority. However, what do you folks do to 
maximise life out of your battery?
The reason I ask is that with everything (bar GSM) turned off, and the 
phone mostly locked / on standby (30 second timeout for standby and 
blank screen are set up at the moment) I am struggling to get even 12 
hours life out of it.
To give an example from today, where I didn't get chance to glance at 
the phone whilst at work, it went from being fully charged at 08:00 (I 
took it off charge from the Desktop at that point) to being powered down 
and without the juice to startup at 16:30.
So, what do you all do to get the most out of it, and what sort of life 
do you get?

Whilst I can live with the battery as a work in progress, the 
crackliness would be interesting to find out if it's just my unit 
suffering, as it does make using it as my primary phone a little difficult!

Thanks in advance,

Dave



From bundeshund at yahoo.de  Sun Dec  7 19:56:22 2008
From: bundeshund at yahoo.de (Hans-Martin)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:56:22 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
Message-ID: <200812071956.23776.bundeshund@yahoo.de>

Am Sonntag, 7. Dezember 2008 17:50:14 schrieb John Lee:
> Dear Community,
>
> Team status update:
>...

> * The infamous WSOD (#1841) seems to be solved.  It's already in
>   testing repo.  Praise for all helped in this!

I tested the whole day and you don't know how happy i am: WSOD seems to be 
gone  :)

That was a very important step getting back my 'fever' for openmoko. Now i 
love my Neo again  :D

>...
> Regards,
> John

HMB





From bumbl3x3 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 20:06:11 2008
From: bumbl3x3 at gmail.com (Thomas Bumbl)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:06:11 +0100
Subject: OMoney Milestone 1
Message-ID: <5a4c54db0812071106j56d994e3jffb0fc6cbf63e715@mail.gmail.com>

First bugfix
thank you mrmoku for reporting
here the new .ipk
[1]

Bumbl


[1] http://omoney.googlecode.com/files/omoney_milestone1-1-r1_armv4t.ipk
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From bumbl3x3 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 20:07:28 2008
From: bumbl3x3 at gmail.com (Thomas Bumbl)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:07:28 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
Message-ID: <5a4c54db0812071107o6fb43b9dj32d5ad025c85d1fa@mail.gmail.com>

The problem is:
This is afaik not a fix but a workaround which costs battery power.
So I think there should be two kernels:
One with and one without this patch.

2008/12/7 John Lee <john_lee at openmoko.com>

> Dear Community,
>
> Team status update:
>
> As in
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/036792.html
> (send/receive files via bluetooth in NEO), Erin keeps working on
> bluetooth.  Jeremy fixed some qtopia and location bugs, and will
> continue learning more about kernel.  The GTK redraw problem is fixed
> now (#1946) so Julian will be back to help with the Paroli edje files
> and keeps working on python.  Olv is having kernel fun now, but since
> it's gta03 related, you probably won't see him a lot on the public
> kernel list.  Tick mostly worked on opkg this week.  Basically there
> are two big issues:
>
> * Incorrect behavior: as Tick indicated on devel list, there are still
>  some logical error in opkg, which caused some problems during
>  upgrade.  That's why I have to use the -force-overwrite option in my
>  previous upgrade howto.
>
> * Efficiency: opkg is obviously not very efficient, both in memory and
>  in speed.
>
> Maybe we could expect another opkg release soon.
>
>
> Qtopia:
>
> OM is moving more focus to gta03 now, so my current resource for
> qtopia is fairly limited.  Currently the things I want to fix most
> are:
>
> * UCSD problem
> * Window focus (soft menu disappear, problems when multiple sms come
>  in, etc.)
> * Partial import of sim contacts.
>
> Please suggest if anything missing and I'll arrange my priorities.
>
>
> There are several good things worth mentioning last week:
>
> * The infamous WSOD (#1841) seems to be solved.  It's already in
>  testing repo.  Praise for all helped in this!
>
> * GTK redraw problem (#1946) solved along with similar problem in qt
>  with an illume patch.  Thanks, Raster!
>
>
> p.s.  It seems my last update might have created an impression that
> the only way to try the testing repo is to upgrade from Om2008.9.
> It's not true.  Another way is to flash directly from
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/
> if you don't mind reflash the phone.
>
> another p.s. Someone in OM kindly reminds me that my post can create
> inappropriate impressions, because although the logic is correct, the
> words and tongues might be misleading.  My native language is Chinese
> (and I'm a master of words and tongues in Chinese), so it's kind of
> difficult for me to enhance this.  All I can do is encouraging you to
> go ahead and ask if anything unclear, and keep in mind I'm a Taiwanese
> engineer when you read this. ;)
>
>
> Regards,
> John
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



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From peter at familienijs.be  Sun Dec  7 20:17:25 2008
From: peter at familienijs.be (Peter Nijs)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:17:25 +0100
Subject: wifi using GUI in 2008.9
In-Reply-To: <op.ulshm5om41evsb@ginguppin>
References: <200812071214.03054.peter@familienijs.be>
	<op.ulshm5om41evsb@ginguppin>
Message-ID: <200812072017.31463.peter@familienijs.be>

On Sunday 07 December 2008 12:17:19 arne anka wrote:
> > Isn't there a way to preload the neo with the key via ssh in a config
> > file?
>
> /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf

My accesspoint is configured in wpa_supplicant, but the gui keeps asking me 
for the key. Should I just not fill it in then?

depeje

>
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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From nomeata at debian.org  Sun Dec  7 20:24:13 2008
From: nomeata at debian.org (Joachim Breitner)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:24:13 +0100
Subject: [u-boot] Environment garbled after setenv?
In-Reply-To: <493C10E1.6050701@gmail.com>
References: <493C10E1.6050701@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228677853.10154.9.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>

Hi,

Am Sonntag, den 07.12.2008, 21:07 +0300 schrieb Evgeniy Karyakin:
>     I see it as environment broken and afraid to say "saveenv" which can 
> make this uncertain state permanent. What can it be, have anybody seen this?

In fact, I have. I observed this when I was trying to modify the uBoot
environment from the device, in the Debian installer. I wanted to
provide a way to completely do the installation from on the device. But
after my changes, I have seen the problems that you have, so I wrote the
configure-uboot.sh script.

You can still see my work in the debian installer, by running
$ ./install.sh uboot
which runs the code (it is not normally run by ./install.sh all).

If it turns out that the reason was just pure accident (or something),
and not the fact that I was modifying from on the device, we could
enable this and make the Debian installation even easier.

Test reports appreciated!

Greetings,
Joachim

-- 
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Debian Developer
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From csi at gmx.ch  Sun Dec  7 20:24:40 2008
From: csi at gmx.ch (Christoph Siegenthaler)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:24:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <200812071956.23776.bundeshund@yahoo.de>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
	<200812071956.23776.bundeshund@yahoo.de>
Message-ID: <1228677880759-1626131.post@n2.nabble.com>


Dear Community

I've been testing todays openmoko-testing-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 together
with testing-om-gta02-20081207.uImage.bin after following the ML without
actually flashing my freerunner a lot (for a few weeks).

Positive:
- Boot time improved
- Suspending worked fairly well
- At least one sms received (the second, sent from the FR to my own number
didn't work)
- probably a lot more improvements

What was disappointing:
- Echo on calls still there
- Buzzing still there
- It took quite a long time before I've been able to pick up the phone when
it was suspended (but I could live with that)

After I switched to the illume-theme, Enlightenment SIGABRT'd all the time.

Slowly but steadily my enthusiasm for the FR is vanishing. I was at least
hoping to be able to use my freerunner as a basic phone after 5 months...

Best regards, Chris

PS: Sorry that I didn't provide any logs. This was primarily to release
steam... Yes, I do feel better now.



Hans-Martin wrote:
> 
> Am Sonntag, 7. Dezember 2008 17:50:14 schrieb John Lee:
>> Dear Community,
>>
>> Team status update:
>>...
> 
>> * The infamous WSOD (#1841) seems to be solved.  It's already in
>>   testing repo.  Praise for all helped in this!
> 
> I tested the whole day and you don't know how happy i am: WSOD seems to be 
> gone  :)
> 
> That was a very important step getting back my 'fever' for openmoko. Now i 
> love my Neo again  :D
> 
>>...
>> Regards,
>> John
> 
> HMB
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
> 

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From prishelec at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 20:26:07 2008
From: prishelec at gmail.com (Leonti Bielski)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:26:07 +0100
Subject: Crackly Calls and Battery Tips!
In-Reply-To: <493C1AC9.6020302@td-online.co.uk>
References: <5a4c54db0812071030xb4adcd3n975282c00432359f@mail.gmail.com>
	<493C1AC9.6020302@td-online.co.uk>
Message-ID: <815cb1720812071126g62f85f3v5534d2b85ab972f3@mail.gmail.com>

Hello and welcome to OM community :)

1.) This is so-called buzzing issue. It's hardware related and in a
week or so a paper explaining how to do a fix will be available.
You can read about it from those links:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues
http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td675090|a675090

2.) From what you've written it seems like you don't suspend your
phone. What image do you use? Anyways, you have to enable autosuspend
- so phone will go to sleep while not being used and wake up only on
certain events - call/message/cable connected/headset connected.
Without suspend phone can work only for about 8 hours or a little
more. With suspend my phone can be waiting for calls for a couple of
days without any problems. Battery life is for a long time not a
problem anymore.
Tips: try to manually suspend your phone using power button
(asu/fso/shr/debian).
On QtExtended if I recall correctly autosuspend is disabled by default
so you have to enable it to get the most of your battery life :)

Leonti

On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Dave Smith <lists at td-online.co.uk> wrote:
> Hello folks,
>
> Just a few questions really to kick start me being on this list. :-)
>
> I received my FreeRunner about a week or so ago and have just about got
> around to playing with it a bit more and actually using it. It's running
> FDOM based on recommendations, and picked up my Orange SIM and contacts
> without difficulty.
>
> A few issues I have had though:
>
> 1) Recipients of phone calls consistently seem to report a buzz /
> crackling during calls made from the FreeRunner. Apparently the buzz is
> particularly prevelant when I stop speaking, whilst I'm speaking the
> line seems to be clear enough - anyone suffered a similar issue and know
> / suspect it's cause?
>
> 2) Battery Life. I was warned by people before getting the phone that
> battery life wasn't great as of yet, and as I understand from what I
> have it is a fairly high priority. However, what do you folks do to
> maximise life out of your battery?
> The reason I ask is that with everything (bar GSM) turned off, and the
> phone mostly locked / on standby (30 second timeout for standby and
> blank screen are set up at the moment) I am struggling to get even 12
> hours life out of it.
> To give an example from today, where I didn't get chance to glance at
> the phone whilst at work, it went from being fully charged at 08:00 (I
> took it off charge from the Desktop at that point) to being powered down
> and without the juice to startup at 16:30.
> So, what do you all do to get the most out of it, and what sort of life
> do you get?
>
> Whilst I can live with the battery as a work in progress, the
> crackliness would be interesting to find out if it's just my unit
> suffering, as it does make using it as my primary phone a little difficult!
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



From aapo.rantalainen at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 20:38:07 2008
From: aapo.rantalainen at gmail.com (Aapo Rantalainen)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:38:07 +0200
Subject: Openttd is now in opkg.org!
Message-ID: <d67d61f10812071138v5876fca4v67dffa35f58cbe56@mail.gmail.com>

I just saw I forgot the straightlink:
http://www.opkg.org/package_58.html

>The music is going to be in MIDI format? Is FR capable to play MIDI?
Original Transport Tycoon uses MID, but openttd will someday (maybe)
use Ogg Vorbis.

Sound effects was wav and now there are project to record gpl/CC
sound-effects. They will (maybe) be wav or FLAC.
It's about half ready, so maybe it can be taken in.

>I would like it better if the bitbake recipe changes can be moved into OE.
I based my recipe on version 0.6.0bb in openembedded. (there are
oldnamed 0.6.0-buildfix.patch too in use)
My current recipe is on:
http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/rantalai/freerunner/openttd/
(and all other files too)
I will add soundeffects on it. (and try to make magic resolution sniffer)

Tell me how OE works (or is mentioned to work)? Or link to manual. I
have some other recipe that I want to be merged in OE, but no idea how
the system works.

About scroll-patch:
It is not originally written by me. I send updated version to the
author and also send it to upstreams bug/patch-tracker.

If there are someday music, they will be in another package.


-Aapo Rantalainen



From andy at openmoko.com  Sun Dec  7 20:38:08 2008
From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:38:08 +0000
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <5a4c54db0812071107o6fb43b9dj32d5ad025c85d1fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
	<5a4c54db0812071107o6fb43b9dj32d5ad025c85d1fa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493C2620.2030208@openmoko.com>

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| The problem is:
| This is afaik not a fix but a workaround which costs battery power.
| So I think there should be two kernels:
| One with and one without this patch.

There's a small hit on suspend current, but it is evidently pretty small
since two users tested it overnight (9h) at a cost of 13% battery.

On andy-tracking shortly we plan to take down the regulator supplying
the LCM during suspend and solve it that way, if the LCM ASIC doesn't
have any more surprises.  Then it should even outperform the previous
way with ASIC in Deep Sleep for current savings.

- -Andy
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From john_lee at openmoko.com  Sun Dec  7 20:46:15 2008
From: john_lee at openmoko.com (John Lee)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 03:46:15 +0800
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <1228677880759-1626131.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
	<200812071956.23776.bundeshund@yahoo.de>
	<1228677880759-1626131.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <20081207194615.GH21110@localhost>

On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 11:24:40AM -0800, Christoph Siegenthaler wrote:
> 
> Dear Community
> 
> I've been testing todays openmoko-testing-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 together
> with testing-om-gta02-20081207.uImage.bin after following the ML without
> actually flashing my freerunner a lot (for a few weeks).
> 
> Positive:
> - Boot time improved
> - Suspending worked fairly well
> - At least one sms received (the second, sent from the FR to my own number
> didn't work)
> - probably a lot more improvements
> 
> What was disappointing:
> - Echo on calls still there
> - Buzzing still there
> - It took quite a long time before I've been able to pick up the phone when
> it was suspended (but I could live with that)
> 
> After I switched to the illume-theme, Enlightenment SIGABRT'd all
> the time.

Please see https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1767

I think I should really put a warning sign somewhere when user chooses
this combination...

> 
> Slowly but steadily my enthusiasm for the FR is vanishing. I was at least
> hoping to be able to use my freerunner as a basic phone after 5 months...
> 
> Best regards, Chris
> 
> PS: Sorry that I didn't provide any logs. This was primarily to release
> steam... Yes, I do feel better now.
> 
> 
> 
> Hans-Martin wrote:
> > 
> > Am Sonntag, 7. Dezember 2008 17:50:14 schrieb John Lee:
> >> Dear Community,
> >>
> >> Team status update:
> >>...
> > 
> >> * The infamous WSOD (#1841) seems to be solved.  It's already in
> >>   testing repo.  Praise for all helped in this!
> > 
> > I tested the whole day and you don't know how happy i am: WSOD seems to be 
> > gone  :)
> > 
> > That was a very important step getting back my 'fever' for openmoko. Now i 
> > love my Neo again  :D
> > 
> >>...
> >> Regards,
> >> John
> > 
> > HMB
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Optimization-team-update-%2811-30-%7E-12-06%29-tp1625647p1626131.html
> Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
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From anthropophagite at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 20:51:38 2008
From: anthropophagite at gmail.com (Evgeniy Karyakin)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:51:38 +0300
Subject: [u-boot] Environment garbled after setenv?
In-Reply-To: <1228675627.15211.7.camel@firebrick>
References: <493C10E1.6050701@gmail.com> <1228675627.15211.7.camel@firebrick>
Message-ID: <493C294A.7070403@gmail.com>

Marian Flor:
> Am Sonntag, den 07.12.2008, 21:07 +0300 schrieb Evgeniy Karyakin:
>> [u-boot messed up with console and copy&paste editing]
> 
> Hi Evgeniy,
> 
> have a look at the script configure-uboot.sh (ask google). Make your
> changes in the script an run the script instead of using
> copy&_waste_ ;-) which is somewhat shaky.

    Thanks, Marian, I got the idea. Just tried it with some 
modifications of the script and after phone's reboot environment is in 
old state, as if I didn't do its update. Basically script's changes were 
1) removing tempdir in favour of working in current directory, and 2) 
setting only menu_1 instead of all menu_* variables. Will investigate it 
further.



From hy_kari at gmx.ch  Sun Dec  7 21:00:44 2008
From: hy_kari at gmx.ch (hy_kari at gmx.ch)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:00:44 +0100
Subject: messed everything mixing repositories?
Message-ID: <20081207200044.93730@gmx.net>

hi all,

i've been trying to get a media player working on my new neo and after days trying everything possible and after just breaking my functional phone i've decided to post on the mailing list :)

i have openmoko-mediaplayer2 installed but no audio files are found (put them on /home/root/Documents, ogg and mp3). so i've been trying to install mplayer -i haven't found it on any repository until today: the angstrom rep. but i didn't change the 2008 with 2007 and i believe it has mixed now all packages and things are starting to break - opkg gives now a segfault and i've no gui anymore. what would be best to do now? things are getting more and more complicated and i just want to play music on my neo (everything else was working well). if possible i do not want anything experimental, just plain old stable packages

i'm using the following repositories:

src/gz daily-all http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2/all
src/gz base http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base
src/gz daily-armv4t http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2/armv4t
src/gz daily-neo1973 http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2/neo1973
src/gz daily-om-gta02 http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2/om-gta02
src/gz scaredycat-all http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/all
src/gz scaredycat-armv4t http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t
src/gz scaredycat-neo1973 http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/neo1973
src/gz scaredycat-om-gta01 http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/om-gta01


i had to make some changes as stated on the wiki and force-remove gtk to upgrade. until i've added the 2008 angstrong repo everything was fine. where does this leave me now?

any help would be appreciated


kari






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From hy_kari at gmx.ch  Sun Dec  7 21:08:40 2008
From: hy_kari at gmx.ch (hy_kari at gmx.ch)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:08:40 +0100
Subject: messed everything mixing repositories?
In-Reply-To: <20081207200044.93730@gmx.net>
References: <20081207200044.93730@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20081207200840.93760@gmx.net>

in case its useful this is the x.log 

_XSERVTransSocketOpenCOTSServer: Unable to open socket for inet6
_XSERVTransOpen: transport open failed for inet6/om-gta02:0
_XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for inet6
(II) verbosity set to 5
Using GLAMO 3362 card
(II) Screen: 16/16 depth/bpp
(II) vram size:4194304, onscreen vram size:614400, offscreen vram size:3579904
(II) initialising offscreen pixmaps
Extended Input Devices not yet supported. Impelement it at line 637 in kinput.c
D-BUS per-session daemon address is: unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-HTd496jQdD,guid=a7583eaa794c54ab9cc9ce8849388b8a
Segmentation fault
run-parts: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/70settings-daemon exited with code 139
neod: error while loading shared libraries: libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
run-parts: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90xXWindowManager exited with code 127

waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "built-ins" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing.


i get also wrong data CRC in data node xx 

notices and opkg gives a plain and simple segfault


opkg update
Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2/all/Packages.gz
Segmentation fault


sigh




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From photogeekmtl at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 21:11:46 2008
From: photogeekmtl at gmail.com (Warren Baird)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:11:46 -0500
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <1228677880759-1626131.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
	<200812071956.23776.bundeshund@yahoo.de>
	<1228677880759-1626131.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <b66a83e00812071211o6862af19ha048e636b26fb2ed@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Christoph Siegenthaler <csi at gmx.ch> wrote:

>
> Slowly but steadily my enthusiasm for the FR is vanishing. I was at least
> hoping to be able to use my freerunner as a basic phone after 5 months...
>
>
Sorry if I'm repeating myself here - but try QTExtended 4.4.2 - it's not
perfect, and I do miss having all of the funky X based software from the
OM2008 based stacks, but as a basic phone, it works quite well, and I get
36-48 hour battery life...

Warren
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From metalx2000 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 21:21:23 2008
From: metalx2000 at gmail.com (kris Occhipinti)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:21:23 -0500
Subject: Python wifi GUI
Message-ID: <9a45a1c00812071221p1a245c26t5c5c3fadc98c7c43@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
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From metalx2000 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 21:27:54 2008
From: metalx2000 at gmail.com (kris Occhipinti)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:27:54 -0500
Subject: Python wifi GUI
Message-ID: <9a45a1c00812071227o2ca0fa82hbcd1512b6f6ad69a@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I just got my Freerunner 4 days ago.
I flashed it to om2008.9
I was never able to get the GUI wifi manager to work.
So, I wrote my own this morning with python.
It's not the best and still needs some work.
But, it is far enough along that it works and I wanted to share it.
here is a link to the install
Script<http://filmsbykris.com/openmoko/pywifi-manager/installer.sh>
it works with WEP Encryption and non-encrypted wifi
haven't gotten to the wpa part yet and it doesn't tell you if the router is
Encrypted or not(that is my next goal.
install it, and it puts an icon on you're Freerunner's desktop
start it up and click refresh

Feed back would be great,
Just remember I've only been working on it today,
so go easy on me
I know it can still use a lot of work.
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From tanuva at googlemail.com  Sun Dec  7 21:28:15 2008
From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:28:15 +0100
Subject: Python wifi GUI
In-Reply-To: <9a45a1c00812071221p1a245c26t5c5c3fadc98c7c43@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9a45a1c00812071221p1a245c26t5c5c3fadc98c7c43@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812072128.15809.tanuva@gmail.com>

Am Sunday 07 December 2008 21:21:23 schrieb kris Occhipinti:
> Hello,

I think so, too. :)

--
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From GNUtoo at no-log.org  Sun Dec  7 21:55:24 2008
From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (GNUtoo at no-log.org)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:55:24 +0100 (CET)
Subject: messed everything mixing repositories?
In-Reply-To: <20081207200840.93760@gmx.net>
References: <20081207200044.93730@gmx.net> <20081207200840.93760@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <45619.AFRWXV4GUXk=.1228683324.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org>

> in case its useful this is the x.log
>
> _XSERVTransSocketOpenCOTSServer: Unable to open socket for inet6
> _XSERVTransOpen: transport open failed for inet6/om-gta02:0
> _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for inet6
> (II) verbosity set to 5
> Using GLAMO 3362 card
> (II) Screen: 16/16 depth/bpp
> (II) vram size:4194304, onscreen vram size:614400, offscreen vram
> size:3579904
> (II) initialising offscreen pixmaps
> Extended Input Devices not yet supported. Impelement it at line 637 in
> kinput.c
> D-BUS per-session daemon address is:
> unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-HTd496jQdD,guid=a7583eaa794c54ab9cc9ce8849388b8a
> Segmentation fault
> run-parts: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/70settings-daemon exited with code 139
> neod: error while loading shared libraries: libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot
> open shared object file: No such file or directory
> run-parts: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90xXWindowManager exited with code 127
>
> waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "built-ins" refcount
> is 2, should be 1; fixing.
>
>
> i get also wrong data CRC in data node xx
>
> notices and opkg gives a plain and simple segfault
>
>
> opkg update
> Downloading
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2/all/Packages.gz
> Segmentation fault
>
>
> sigh
>
>
>
>
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if angstrom still have the mp3 support the solution would  be to use
angstrom...that is to  say to use an angstrom image...
But...I tried it(for others reason...mainly for having a lot of packages)
and it has bugs such as this one:
http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4896

That is to say libX11 problems...and illumine doesn't start(i don't know
if it's the same bug...bug gdb also have libx11 messages in backtrace)
but matchbox and some apps seems to work...strange...





From rms at 1407.org  Sun Dec  7 22:02:00 2008
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:02:00 +0000
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <b66a83e00812071211o6862af19ha048e636b26fb2ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
	<200812071956.23776.bundeshund@yahoo.de>
	<1228677880759-1626131.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00812071211o6862af19ha048e636b26fb2ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081207210200.GA7740@roque.1407.org>

On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 03:11:46PM -0500, Warren Baird wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Christoph Siegenthaler <csi at gmx.ch> wrote:
> > Slowly but steadily my enthusiasm for the FR is vanishing. I was at least
> > hoping to be able to use my freerunner as a basic phone after 5 months...
> >
> Sorry if I'm repeating myself here - but try QTExtended 4.4.2 - it's not
> perfect, and I do miss having all of the funky X based software from the
> OM2008 based stacks, but as a basic phone, it works quite well, and I get
> 36-48 hour battery life...

I never had that battery life with qtextended, mainly because of the
White Screen of Death (which is solved in testing).

Rui


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From unachievable at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 22:21:35 2008
From: unachievable at gmail.com (ivvmm)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:21:35 +0300
Subject: top bar clock in testing
In-Reply-To: <1228225592.9474.16.camel@rattus>
References: <1228225592.9474.16.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <493C3E5F.1040801@gmail.com>

William Kenworthy wrote:
> The round top bar clock in testing (illume) is not very useful - is
> there a way of selecting a digital clock?
> 
> BillK
> 
> 
Another vote for this. The analog clock is rather useless.

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From hy_kari at gmx.ch  Sun Dec  7 22:42:42 2008
From: hy_kari at gmx.ch (Josh Birana)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:42:42 +0100
Subject: messed everything mixing repositories?
In-Reply-To: <20081207200840.93760@gmx.net>
References: <20081207200044.93730@gmx.net> <20081207200840.93760@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20081207214242.256640@gmx.net>

was already replied on http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2008-August/002227.html

there's nothing to do. get image and reflash..
FR is still a pain in the ass for newcomers



-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:08:40 +0100
> Von: hy_kari at gmx.ch
> An: List for Openmoko community discussion <community at lists.openmoko.org>
> Betreff: Re: messed everything mixing repositories?

> in case its useful this is the x.log 
> 
> _XSERVTransSocketOpenCOTSServer: Unable to open socket for inet6
> _XSERVTransOpen: transport open failed for inet6/om-gta02:0
> _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for inet6
> (II) verbosity set to 5
> Using GLAMO 3362 card
> (II) Screen: 16/16 depth/bpp
> (II) vram size:4194304, onscreen vram size:614400, offscreen vram
> size:3579904
> (II) initialising offscreen pixmaps
> Extended Input Devices not yet supported. Impelement it at line 637 in
> kinput.c
> D-BUS per-session daemon address is:
> unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-HTd496jQdD,guid=a7583eaa794c54ab9cc9ce8849388b8a
> Segmentation fault
> run-parts: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/70settings-daemon exited with code 139
> neod: error while loading shared libraries: libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot
> open shared object file: No such file or directory
> run-parts: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90xXWindowManager exited with code 127
> 
> waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "built-ins" refcount
> is 2, should be 1; fixing.
> 
> 
> i get also wrong data CRC in data node xx 
> 
> notices and opkg gives a plain and simple segfault
> 
> 
> opkg update
> Downloading
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2/all/Packages.gz
> Segmentation fault
> 
> 
> sigh
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From openmoko at rcie.de  Sun Dec  7 22:53:02 2008
From: openmoko at rcie.de (Marc Bantle)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:53:02 +0100
Subject: golf - yet another neo
Message-ID: <493C45BE.7080500@rcie.de>

Hi,

by accident I stumbled over this product [1].
I assume it's second name has nothing to do
with our favorit toy ;-) Or am I wrong? At
least they do not talk about GSM support.

I had been bearing a similar idea for an
Openmoko application in mind. Therefore
I have been following the discussion for
this OSM-proposal closely [2].

Thought those links are worth  sharing :-)

Cheers, Marc


[1] http://www.igolf.com/igolfstore/igolfstore/featured_products.html
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Golf_course



From anthropophagite at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 22:53:44 2008
From: anthropophagite at gmail.com (Evgeniy Karyakin)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:53:44 +0300
Subject: [u-boot] Environment garbled after setenv?
In-Reply-To: <1228677853.10154.9.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
References: <493C10E1.6050701@gmail.com>
	<1228677853.10154.9.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
Message-ID: <493C45E8.8040801@gmail.com>

Joachim Breitner:
> Am Sonntag, den 07.12.2008, 21:07 +0300 schrieb Evgeniy Karyakin:
>>     I see it as environment broken and afraid to say "saveenv" which can 
>> make this uncertain state permanent. What can it be, have anybody seen this?
> 
> In fact, I have. I observed this when I was trying to modify the uBoot
> environment from the device, in the Debian installer. I wanted to
> provide a way to completely do the installation from on the device. But
> after my changes, I have seen the problems that you have, so I wrote the
> configure-uboot.sh script.
> 
> You can still see my work in the debian installer, by running
> $ ./install.sh uboot
> which runs the code (it is not normally run by ./install.sh all).
> 
> If it turns out that the reason was just pure accident (or something),
> and not the fact that I was modifying from on the device, we could
> enable this and make the Debian installation even easier.
> 
> Test reports appreciated!

    I modified (shorten) your script for my needs and it works without 
an error, although I haven't really got my end station. After flashing 
environment with your script and then reading it back I see that 
environment reflects the changes desired. But getting to u-boot console 
shows me old env variables (printenv), and booting microSD card from NOR 
menu actually invokes old menu_1 setting -- I can see that after ssh-ing 
into the phone and seeing what's in /proc/cmdline. Strange.
    My modified script is in attachment in case you're curious.
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From rdmyers at mtpalomar.net  Sun Dec  7 23:06:06 2008
From: rdmyers at mtpalomar.net (Rodney Myers)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:06:06 -0800
Subject: working SIM install, network problems - update
In-Reply-To: <84f838bc7beb058909b260b39070fd37@localhost>
References: <009155C0-8BE6-4558-A002-AE86DA8ABAE0@mtpalomar.net>
	<84f838bc7beb058909b260b39070fd37@localhost>
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On Dec 6, 2008, at 9:41 PM, Joel Newkirk wrote:

> On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:00:36 -0800, Rodney Myers  
> <rdmyers at mtpalomar.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2008, at 3:57 AM, clare johnstone wrote:
>>
>>> At this stage I can  do
>>> ssh root at 192.168.0.202
>>>
>>> Normally it will argue and I have to edit the file ~/.ssh/known  
>>> hosts
>>> by removing the line it is objecting to. It will then agree to the
>>> ssh.
>>> Most people automate that process to avoid the editing etc but that
>>> is a matter of taste only. Once you have things going without  
>>> trouble
>>> you can automate a lot of things.
>>>
>>> good luck,
>>> clare
>>
>> Thank you for your scripts. I "think" I edited them to correlate
>> them to my network;
>>
>> 192.168.1.0/24
>>
>> I now can ssh into the OM, and set the time to my local "America/
>> Los_Angeles". One step ahead.
>>
>> I can ping the debian machine, and everything on my lan, but nothing
>> outside the lan.
>
> [snip]
>
>> My interpretation of ths scripts;
>>
>> cat bin/OM-config
>> #!/bin/sh
>> /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
>> /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0
>>
>> rodney at riverside:~$ cat bin/om-network
>> #!/bin/sh
>> /bin/echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
>> iptables -F
>> iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0  -d 192.168.0.200   -j  
>> ACCEPT
>> iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.0.200  -i eth+  -d 192.168.0.202  -j
>> ACCEPT
>> iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.1.0/24  -i eth+  -d 192.168.0.202  -j
>> ACCEPT
>> iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.1.0/24  -i eth+  -d 192.168.2.0/24  -j
>> ACCEPT
>>
>> iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0 -d 192.168.2.0/24 -o  
>> eth+
>> -j ACCEPT
>> iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.1.0/24 -i eth+ -d 192.168.0.202 -o  
>> usb0
>> -j ACCEPT
>>
>> iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.1.0/24 -o eth+   -j ACCEPT
>> iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.0.202 -o usb0  -j ACCEPT
>> iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24
>
> Is this the complete firewall script??  There's several things  
> missing, and
> a couple possible errors.  (since you only posted ifconfig info for  
> usb0 on
> the host I can't tell if the 192.168.2.0/24 are typos, or correct with
> missing rules) Now, since you say you can ping everything on the  
> LAN, and
> have only the two FORWARD rules listed, I'm going to assume a typo  
> and that
> you have just 192.168.1.0/24 in play.

No. I took what Clare had written, and was attempting to get working  
with my LAN.  My lan is 192.168.1.*/24, not 192.168.2.* (probably a  
typo, but want to make sure)

Correct, in pinging everything on my lan. Once I was ssh'd into the  
OM, I could ping ever computer on my lan, from the router, wireless  
access point, the 2 wireless computers, and the debian (wired) computer.

> A few points:
>
> You have rules to accept INPUT from 192.168.1.0/24 for destIP
> 192.168.0.202, but this should never be the case - INPUT is only  
> packets
> with an IP on 'this' machine as destination, OUTPUT is packets from  
> 'this'
> machine, FORWARD is packets from somewhere else TO somewhere else  
> that are
> just being FORWARDed by 'this' machine.
>
> "iptables -F" flushes all rules from the 'filter' table's chains -  
> INPUT,
> OUTPUT and FORWARD.  But it doesn't touch the 'nat' table (PREROUTING,
> POSTROUTING, and OUTPUT chains) unless you separately invoke  
> "iptables -t
> nat -F", and it doesn't set/change the default chain policies.  I'm  
> not
> sure if this is really what you want to do anyway - doesn't the host
> already have a set of firewall rules in place? If so you're likely  
> better
> off adding rules to permit the FR instead of flushing everything  
> that's
> already in place.
>
> Presuming the host communicates fine to begin with, instead of ALL  
> of the
> iptables commands above, try these (NOTE there's NOT an 'iptables - 
> F' to
> flush the existing rules, we're just appending additional rules):
>
> iptables -A INPUT -i usb0 -s 192.168.0.202 -j ACCEPT
> iptables -A FORWARD -i usb0 -s 192.168.0.202 -j ACCEPT
> iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
> iptables -A OUTPUT -o usb0 -j ACCEPT
> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j MASQUERADE
>
> The first rule lets the FR talk to the host, the second lets it talk
> /through/ the host to whatever else is reachable, the third lets the
> response to that traffic back through to the FR (we're invoking the
> connection-tracking state engine where replies, like web pages when  
> you
> browse, are ESTABLISHED connections, while RELATED connections  
> includes
> things like ICMP dest unreachable being 'related' to an attempted
> connection, FTP data being 'related' to FTP control port 21, RTP  
> related to
> SIP for VOIP,  etc), fourth lets the host talk to the FR, fifth NATs  
> any
> packets from the FR that are going out on the LAN so that they  
> appear to be
> from the host, and replies will route correctly back to the host.

No "firewall running on the debian machine. At this time.

> The OUTPUT rule should only be needed if your host has a REALLY tight
> firewall: often the OUTPUT chain is left in an 'allow all' state,  
> with few
> or no rules and 'ACCEPT' policy.  ("iptables -p OUTPUT ACCEPT" sets  
> this,
> the policy is listed after the chain name OUTPUT when you list the  
> rules
> with something like "iptables -vnL OUTPUT")  OUTPUT rules are really  
> only
> useful when you don't trust the host itself, IE on a multiuser system,
> shared server, etc.
>
> Finally, if there is already a complex set of rules in place, you may
> benefit from using INSERT instead of APPEND - just replace all '-A'  
> with
> '-I' and it will insert rules at the start of the chain, or '-I  
> INPUT 4'
> for example to insert a new rule #4, the current rule #4 becoming #5  
> etc.
> If there's any REJECT or DROP rules in the chain, inserting these at  
> the
> top will ensure that the FR traffic gets through without puzzling  
> out which
> rule might be stopping you.
>
> j
>
> -- 
> Joel Newkirk

Thanks. I will experiment a bit more.

-- 
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From nomeata at debian.org  Sun Dec  7 23:14:06 2008
From: nomeata at debian.org (Joachim Breitner)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:14:06 +0100
Subject: [u-boot] Environment garbled after setenv?
In-Reply-To: <493C45E8.8040801@gmail.com>
References: <493C10E1.6050701@gmail.com>
	<1228677853.10154.9.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
	<493C45E8.8040801@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228688046.10154.19.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>

Hi,

Am Montag, den 08.12.2008, 00:53 +0300 schrieb Evgeniy Karyakin:
> > Test reports appreciated!
> 
>     I modified (shorten) your script for my needs and it works without 
> an error, although I haven't really got my end station. After flashing 
> environment with your script and then reading it back I see that 
> environment reflects the changes desired. But getting to u-boot console 
> shows me old env variables (printenv), and booting microSD card from NOR 
> menu actually invokes old menu_1 setting -- I can see that after ssh-ing 
> into the phone and seeing what's in /proc/cmdline. Strange.
>     My modified script is in attachment in case you're curious.

Thanks. 

AFAIR, the NOR uboot and the NAND uboot don?t share the environment ? is
that right?

But that the NAND env is not modified is strange. Did you try reading it
back after a reboot?

Thanks,
Joachim
-- 
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Debian Developer
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From anthropophagite at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 23:22:27 2008
From: anthropophagite at gmail.com (Evgeniy Karyakin)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 01:22:27 +0300
Subject: [u-boot] Environment garbled after setenv?
In-Reply-To: <1228688046.10154.19.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
References: <493C10E1.6050701@gmail.com>	<1228677853.10154.9.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>	<493C45E8.8040801@gmail.com>
	<1228688046.10154.19.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
Message-ID: <493C4CA3.2090308@gmail.com>

Joachim Breitner:
>>     I modified (shorten) your script for my needs and it works without 
>> an error, although I haven't really got my end station. After flashing 
>> environment with your script and then reading it back I see that 
>> environment reflects the changes desired. But getting to u-boot console 
>> shows me old env variables (printenv), and booting microSD card from NOR 
>> menu actually invokes old menu_1 setting -- I can see that after ssh-ing 
>> into the phone and seeing what's in /proc/cmdline. Strange.
>>     My modified script is in attachment in case you're curious.
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> AFAIR, the NOR uboot and the NAND uboot don?t share the environment ? is
> that right?

    Then I don't know what "u-boot_env" points to. If we update NAND 
environment and then boot with the help of NOR menu, I don't see a 
point. Frankly I never tried NAND, maybe I should now.

> But that the NAND env is not modified is strange. Did you try reading it
> back after a reboot?

    Exactly. First I used your script, then rebooted the phone, then 
invoked "dfu-util -a u-boot_env -U env.test" and saw *new* environment, 
still the NOR boot procedure uses old env. You may be right, these 
settings are separated.



From billk at iinet.net.au  Sun Dec  7 23:50:43 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 07:50:43 +0900
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <1228677880759-1626131.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
	<200812071956.23776.bundeshund@yahoo.de>
	<1228677880759-1626131.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1228690243.14906.68.camel@rattus>

On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 11:24 -0800, Christoph Siegenthaler wrote:
> Dear Community
> 
> I've been testing todays openmoko-testing-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 together
> with testing-om-gta02-20081207.uImage.bin after following the ML without
> actually flashing my freerunner a lot (for a few weeks).
> 
> Positive:
> - Boot time improved
> - Suspending worked fairly well
> - At least one sms received (the second, sent from the FR to my own number
> didn't work)
> - probably a lot more improvements
> 
...

Regarding SMS, I tripped over something on the weekend that appears to
have solved it for me so far - more testing needed.

I noticed that the batget program often had multiple instances that
"blocked" for some time, especially after resume.  I killed them and
suspended, and an SMS arrived and everything worked!  This is such a
very very rare event that I sent/received a dozen or so messages over
the weekend without problems - the phone woke from suspend everytime and
qtmail started up fine.

batget works with the battery icon on the shelf, so this stops working
after a "kill batget".  To keep batget from starting, use the "spanner"
to remove the battery module.

I surmise that on resume, the FR is so busy with programs like batget
that messages are dropped - depending on your software fit, may effect
some more than others.

Be nice to have it confirmed so its worth raising a bug?

BillK






From evadim at evadim.ru  Mon Dec  8 00:11:21 2008
From: evadim at evadim.ru (Vadim, Efimov)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:11:21 +0300
Subject: top bar clock in testing
In-Reply-To: <493C3E5F.1040801@gmail.com>
References: <1228225592.9474.16.camel@rattus> <493C3E5F.1040801@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.ulteoyf0j0u8pj@vadim>

On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:21:35 +0300, ivvmm <unachievable at gmail.com> wrote:

> William Kenworthy wrote:
>> The round top bar clock in testing (illume) is not very useful - is
>> there a way of selecting a digital clock?
>>
>> BillK
>>
>>
> Another vote for this. The analog clock is rather useless.
>

enlightenment have extra module - tclock,( & many useful modules )
who can package them?



From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Mon Dec  8 00:13:31 2008
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 23:13:31 +0000
Subject: [u-boot] Environment garbled after setenv?
In-Reply-To: <493C4CA3.2090308@gmail.com>
References: <493C10E1.6050701@gmail.com>
	<1228688046.10154.19.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>
	<493C4CA3.2090308@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812072313.31822.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Sunday 07 December 2008, Evgeniy Karyakin wrote:
> Joachim Breitner:
> >>     I modified (shorten) your script for my needs and it works without
> >> an error, although I haven't really got my end station. After flashing
> >> environment with your script and then reading it back I see that
> >> environment reflects the changes desired. But getting to u-boot console
> >> shows me old env variables (printenv), and booting microSD card from NOR
> >> menu actually invokes old menu_1 setting -- I can see that after ssh-ing
> >> into the phone and seeing what's in /proc/cmdline. Strange.
> >>     My modified script is in attachment in case you're curious.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > AFAIR, the NOR uboot and the NAND uboot don?t share the environment ? is
> > that right?
>
>     Then I don't know what "u-boot_env" points to. If we update NAND
> environment and then boot with the help of NOR menu, I don't see a
> point. Frankly I never tried NAND, maybe I should now.

The NOR uboot environment is stored in NOR, and you can't change it unless you 
have a debug board. This is intentional as the NOR uboot is there to stop you 
being able to brick your phone, and it wouldn't be much good at that if you 
could wipe its environment. You should usually be using the NAND uboot which 
keeps its environment in NAND in the u-boot_env area.



From rui.castro at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 01:16:13 2008
From: rui.castro at gmail.com (Rui Castro)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:16:13 +0000
Subject: [OM kernel newbie] Error building kernel
Message-ID: <ca542f150812071616l55806208lf1e53a89ac6c48e2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I've been trying to compile openmoko kernel and I can't even start
because of this dummy error:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
$ ./build dummy
scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig

scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig
  CHK     include/linux/version.h
/bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
$
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I've followed the instructions
(http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=summary and
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Downloading_and_installing).
Downloaded the toolchain from
http://downloads.openmoko.org/toolchains/openmoko-i686-arm-linux-gnueabi-toolchain.tar.bz2
and unpacked it to the standard location /usr/local/openmoko

I'm using Ubuntu 8.04.

I must be missing something.

Can someone point me in the right direction?

Rui



From billk at iinet.net.au  Mon Dec  8 01:19:05 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (W.Kenworthy)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:19:05 +0900
Subject: Crackly Calls and Battery Tips!
In-Reply-To: <815cb1720812071126g62f85f3v5534d2b85ab972f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5a4c54db0812071030xb4adcd3n975282c00432359f@mail.gmail.com>
	<493C1AC9.6020302@td-online.co.uk>
	<815cb1720812071126g62f85f3v5534d2b85ab972f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228695545.18532.53.camel@bunyip.localdomain>

On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 20:26 +0100, Leonti Bielski wrote:
> Hello and welcome to OM community :)
> 
...
> 
> 2.) From what you've written it seems like you don't suspend your
> phone. What image do you use? Anyways, you have to enable autosuspend
> - so phone will go to sleep while not being used and wake up only on
...

Is there any benefit in enabling auto-suspend over manual? - I always
found it suspended when you least expected it, didnt want it to, often
causing crashes as it interrupted something going on.  It used to
suspend when you were remotely logged in, and often wouldnt wake-up.

Manually doing was a lot more successful.  However, I have turned
auto-suspend off as almost the first action after flashing (the default
10 seconds is a little extreme!)  so I have not even triedit for awhile
- have all the above issues been fixed? (esp. on 2008.testing which I am
using)

BillK





From raster at rasterman.com  Mon Dec  8 01:20:18 2008
From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman))
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:20:18 +1100
Subject: top bar clock in testing
In-Reply-To: <op.ulteoyf0j0u8pj@vadim>
References: <1228225592.9474.16.camel@rattus> <493C3E5F.1040801@gmail.com>
	<op.ulteoyf0j0u8pj@vadim>
Message-ID: <20081208112018.361b47ea.raster@rasterman.com>

On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:11:21 +0300 "Vadim, Efimov" <evadim at evadim.ru> babbled:

> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:21:35 +0300, ivvmm <unachievable at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > William Kenworthy wrote:
> >> The round top bar clock in testing (illume) is not very useful - is
> >> there a way of selecting a digital clock?
> >>
> >> BillK
> >>
> >>
> > Another vote for this. The analog clock is rather useless.
> >
> 
> enlightenment have extra module - tclock,( & many useful modules )
> who can package them?

you don't need a whole module - just the theme can change the clock look.


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From rdmyers at mtpalomar.net  Mon Dec  8 02:15:14 2008
From: rdmyers at mtpalomar.net (Rodney Myers)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:15:14 -0800
Subject: working SIM install, network problems - update (2X)
In-Reply-To: <9B7EDBBC-1112-4C1A-B952-192794B055BD@mtpalomar.net>
References: <009155C0-8BE6-4558-A002-AE86DA8ABAE0@mtpalomar.net>
	<84f838bc7beb058909b260b39070fd37@localhost>
	<9B7EDBBC-1112-4C1A-B952-192794B055BD@mtpalomar.net>
Message-ID: <84583AC5-81DC-4E86-A75B-2630852DA3F5@mtpalomar.net>

On Dec 7, 2008, at 2:06 PM, Rodney Myers wrote:

> Thanks. I will experiment a bit more.

This is what I got to work, many thanks


cat bin/OM-config
#!/bin/sh
sudo /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
sudo /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0

rodney at riverside:~$ cat bin/om-network-test
#!/bin/sh
sudo /bin/echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
sudo iptables -A INPUT -i usb0 -s 192.168.0.202 -j ACCEPT
sudo iptables -A FORWARD -i usb0 -s 192.168.0.202 -j ACCEPT
sudo iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
sudo iptables -A OUTPUT -o usb0 -j ACCEPT
sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j MASQUERADE

I was able to get the debian updated. Yeah.
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From scottrcarlson at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 02:57:21 2008
From: scottrcarlson at gmail.com (SCarlson)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:57:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: FTP Client
Message-ID: <1228701441665-1627481.post@n2.nabble.com>



 Any suggestions for a ftp client packages? Has anyone ported ncftp or
similar? I understand that sftp is better and secure, but I have specific
use case for plain ftp.

Thanks!,
SCarlson
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From jonasberlinma at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  8 03:27:42 2008
From: jonasberlinma at yahoo.com (Jonas Berlin)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:27:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: My freerunner on ebay
Message-ID: <88078.81155.qm@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I just put my Freerunner on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260328913109&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1123

A very fun phone, but I just don't have the time to hack on it. 

One of the original ones sold on 7/3/2008. US model. No hardware rework.


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From rdmyers at mtpalomar.net  Mon Dec  8 04:09:06 2008
From: rdmyers at mtpalomar.net (Rodney Myers)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:09:06 -0800
Subject: SD boot, mounting phone
Message-ID: <8F6D5724-5779-4C4F-A5BE-0A58B3C0C8B5@mtpalomar.net>

This is not listed in the wiki.

I can successfully boot from the SD card, using Hackable:1 (thanks  
folkes), and ssh into the SD card (thanks Arne, clare, Christopher &  
Joel).

Now that all of this can happen, how do I mount the phone, so I can  
edit the phone back to default?

Many thanks.
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From _ at whats-your.name  Mon Dec  8 04:16:56 2008
From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:16:56 -0500
Subject: My freerunner on ebay
In-Reply-To: <88078.81155.qm@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <88078.81155.qm@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20081208031656.GA21601@debian>

On Sun Dec 07, 2008 at 06:27:42PM -0800, Jonas Berlin wrote:
> I just put my Freerunner on ebay:
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260328913109&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1123
> 
> A very fun phone, but I just don't have the time to hack on it. 

anyone got a procmail script to weed this out

every single freerunner is sold becaise 'i dont have enough time to hack on it'

very bizarre

> 
> One of the original ones sold on 7/3/2008. US model. No hardware rework.
> 
> 
>  <jonas/>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community




From lally.singh at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 04:38:43 2008
From: lally.singh at gmail.com (Lally Singh)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:38:43 -0500
Subject: My freerunner on ebay
In-Reply-To: <20081208031656.GA21601@debian>
References: <88078.81155.qm@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20081208031656.GA21601@debian>
Message-ID: <3b3449e00812071938t9a09172g40c7f90e57c0484d@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:16 PM, carmen <_ at whats-your.name> wrote:
> every single freerunner is sold becaise 'i dont have enough time to hack on it'

Not particularly.  Hacking the freerunner takes quite a bit of setup
and tracking.  More than most expected, I suspect.


-- 
H. Lally Singh
Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science
Virginia Tech



From kitts.mailinglists at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 05:17:20 2008
From: kitts.mailinglists at gmail.com (Kishore)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:47:20 +0530
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <20081207210200.GA7740@roque.1407.org>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
	<b66a83e00812071211o6862af19ha048e636b26fb2ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081207210200.GA7740@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <200812080947.20264.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com>

On Monday 08 Dec 2008 2:32:00 am Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 03:11:46PM -0500, Warren Baird wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Christoph Siegenthaler <csi at gmx.ch> wrote:
> > > Slowly but steadily my enthusiasm for the FR is vanishing. I was at
> > > least hoping to be able to use my freerunner as a basic phone after 5
> > > months...
> >
> > Sorry if I'm repeating myself here - but try QTExtended 4.4.2 - it's not
> > perfect, and I do miss having all of the funky X based software from the
> > OM2008 based stacks, but as a basic phone, it works quite well, and I get
> > 36-48 hour battery life...
>
> I never had that battery life with qtextended, mainly because of the
> White Screen of Death (which is solved in testing).

Maybe it has something to do with hardware revisions. I get the same kind of 
battery life.
-- 
Cheers!
Kishore



From anthropophagite at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 05:58:47 2008
From: anthropophagite at gmail.com (Evgeniy Karyakin)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 07:58:47 +0300
Subject: [u-boot] Environment garbled after setenv?
In-Reply-To: <200812072313.31822.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <493C10E1.6050701@gmail.com>	<1228688046.10154.19.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net>	<493C4CA3.2090308@gmail.com>
	<200812072313.31822.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <493CA987.6070702@gmail.com>

Al Johnson:
> On Sunday 07 December 2008, Evgeniy Karyakin wrote:
>> Joachim Breitner:
>>> AFAIR, the NOR uboot and the NAND uboot don?t share the environment ? is
>>> that right?
>>     Then I don't know what "u-boot_env" points to. If we update NAND
>> environment and then boot with the help of NOR menu, I don't see a
>> point. Frankly I never tried NAND, maybe I should now.
> 
> The NOR uboot environment is stored in NOR, and you can't change it unless you 
> have a debug board. This is intentional as the NOR uboot is there to stop you 
> being able to brick your phone, and it wouldn't be much good at that if you 
> could wipe its environment. You should usually be using the NAND uboot which 
> keeps its environment in NAND in the u-boot_env area.

    This explains everything, Al, thanks. So when I use a terminal to 
get into U-Boot console, I interact with NOR machinery, and u-boot_env 
storage is really in NAND field; that makes a point.



From rui.castro at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 05:59:54 2008
From: rui.castro at gmail.com (Rui Castro)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:59:54 +0000
Subject: "/bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected" building kernel
Message-ID: <ca542f150812072059r1c3d5ae3if9c0422a615c9c84@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I've been trying to compile openmoko kernel and I can't even start
because of this dummy error:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
$ ./build dummy
scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig

scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig
 CHK     include/linux/version.h
/bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
$
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I've followed the instructions
(http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=summary and
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Downloading_and_installing).
Downloaded the toolchain from
http://downloads.openmoko.org/toolchains/openmoko-i686-arm-linux-gnueabi-toolchain.tar.bz2
and unpacked it to the standard location /usr/local/openmoko

I'm using Ubuntu 8.04.

I must be missing something.

Can someone point me in the right direction?

Rui

PS: sorry for the duplicate message.



From openmoko at asheesh.org  Mon Dec  8 07:07:24 2008
From: openmoko at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:07:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: "/bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected" building kernel
In-Reply-To: <ca542f150812072059r1c3d5ae3if9c0422a615c9c84@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ca542f150812072059r1c3d5ae3if9c0422a615c9c84@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0812072205230.16519@sf.creativecommons.org>

On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Rui Castro wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've been trying to compile openmoko kernel and I can't even start
> because of this dummy error:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> $ ./build dummy
> scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig
>
> scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig
> CHK     include/linux/version.h
> /bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected

The script probably has bashisms.  Set /bin/sh to /bin/bash and you'll do 
fine.

See "My production system has broken and I just want to get it back up!" 
at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh .

-- Asheesh.

-- 
The Tree of Learning bears the noblest fruit, but noble fruit tastes bad.



From billk at iinet.net.au  Mon Dec  8 08:48:03 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:48:03 +0900
Subject: 22-9.testing (illume) font size on desktop
Message-ID: <1228722483.14906.71.camel@rattus>

What sets the fontsize on the desktop?  The spanner font utility doesnt
seem to affect anything.

I deleted .e to see if if it fixed some of the niggles I have with it -
and the fonts are now a bit too big.

BillK

-- 
William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
Home in Perth!




From haduong at centre-cired.fr  Mon Dec  8 08:53:16 2008
From: haduong at centre-cired.fr (Minh Ha Duong)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:53:16 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
Message-ID: <200812080853.19242.haduong@centre-cired.fr>

> My native language is Chinese, so it's kind of difficult for me to enhance

 I consider writing as another information product just like code. It needs 
debugging too, and peer review (i.e. many eyes) is the key. Think "testing 
team". I am in the academia, and systematically have one or two colleagues 
have a look at anything I write before sending it out. No need to find an 
English language professor, just someone who can point me the sentences which 
I was too dumb/hurry to write clearly in the first place. It takes time, it 
is not that difficult, and if you do it systematically your skills will 
improve in a few months. Colleagues will come to you to check the clarity of 
their English !

Professor Minh at your service



From denis.johnson at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 08:55:57 2008
From: denis.johnson at gmail.com (Denis Johnson)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:55:57 +1000
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <200812080947.20264.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
	<b66a83e00812071211o6862af19ha048e636b26fb2ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081207210200.GA7740@roque.1407.org>
	<200812080947.20264.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20607da10812072355g39b7bd99t4537f8b1794dc442@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Kishore <kitts.mailinglists at gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe it has something to do with hardware revisions. I get the same kind of
> battery life.

I have a GTA02V5 and I'm also experiencing 36-48 hour battery life
with QTExtended 4.4.2. This is with suspend enabled.

cheers Denis



From csi at gmx.ch  Mon Dec  8 09:01:48 2008
From: csi at gmx.ch (Christoph Siegenthaler)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:01:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <b66a83e00812071211o6862af19ha048e636b26fb2ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
	<200812071956.23776.bundeshund@yahoo.de>
	<1228677880759-1626131.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00812071211o6862af19ha048e636b26fb2ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228723308226-1628198.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hey!

I gave QTExtended 4.4.2 another go and you were right. It really is the best
option to use the FR as a basic phone atm. I'm not sure why I didn't like it
after flashing it the first time. I think I had some issues with suspending.
Haven't had any problems with it so far, using the om-testing kernel.

The echo isn't so bad either, but still there. I haven't tried to tweak the
state-files yet. Addressbook and Calender work too. Some other first
impressions:
- Timezone isn't set after one changes it in the initial setup
- Alarm doesn't ring when phone is suspended
- Does someone know a way to turn of "word prediction" in the handwriting
input style?

Best regards, Chris

 



Warren Baird wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Christoph Siegenthaler <csi at gmx.ch> wrote:
> 
>>
>> Slowly but steadily my enthusiasm for the FR is vanishing. I was at least
>> hoping to be able to use my freerunner as a basic phone after 5 months...
>>
>>
> Sorry if I'm repeating myself here - but try QTExtended 4.4.2 - it's not
> perfect, and I do miss having all of the funky X based software from the
> OM2008 based stacks, but as a basic phone, it works quite well, and I get
> 36-48 hour battery life...
> 
> Warren
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
> 

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From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Mon Dec  8 09:44:55 2008
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:44:55 +0100
Subject: microsSD doesn't mount any more!
In-Reply-To: <3494db260812050625l63e9bd61mfe6e351d46a6b3c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db260812050446s66ef9d5eo9c34c8669f2c5d51@mail.gmail.com>
	<49393076.7090809@openmoko.com>
	<3494db260812050625l63e9bd61mfe6e351d46a6b3c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3494db260812080044k32de9237sa6cbe3913a02ef9f@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com> wrote:

>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Andy Green <andy at openmoko.com> wrote:
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
>>
>> | When in BootLoader, shows that there is a card of 3MB!!!! and when I
>> | boot with the latest 2008.9 jffs I get following dmesg output:
>>
>> U-Boot driver doesn't understand enough SHDC to get this right, but it
>> doesn't hurt anything unless you try to get U-Boot to touch anything
>> above 4GB.
>>
>> | ....
>> | [   30.365000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 8
>>
>> Are there some glamo-mci errors floating around before that?
>>
>> - -Andy
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>>
>> iEYEARECAAYFAkk5MHYACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrj9QCfbXf7x2O6jtB0X+SfRTv/0e8k
>> M2gAnjxeXYIDq53UrZC+mcAhm1zI02fR
>> =jDld
>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>
>>
> here it is:
>
> -----------------------
> [   30.225000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020
> [   30.225000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
> [   30.230000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0
> [   30.230000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0
> [   30.240000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x20
> [   30.240000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x120
> [   30.245000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
> [   30.250000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 8
> [   30.250000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 1
> [   30.255000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020
> [   30.255000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8122
> [   30.260000] mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command
> [   30.265000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 16
> [   30.265000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 2
> [   30.270000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x20
> [   30.275000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x122
> [   30.280000] mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command
> [   30.285000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 24
> [   30.285000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 3
> [   30.300000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020
> [   30.300000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
> [   30.305000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0
> [   30.305000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0
> [   30.360000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x20
> [   30.360000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
> [   30.365000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 64
> [   30.365000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 8
> [   34.830000] FAT: bogus logical sector size 65535
> [   34.830000] VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev mmcblk0.
> [   34.840000] FAT: bogus logical sector size 65535
> [   34.840000] VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev mmcblk0.
>
> ------------------------
>
> Thanks
>
>
some more feedback:

I did format my card with 'http://www.sdcard.org/consumers/formatter/' but
still doesn't work on FR. I get following dmesg:

-----------------------
[   73.055000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020
[   73.055000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8120
[   73.060000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
[   73.065000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0
[   73.065000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0
[   73.070000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x20
[   73.070000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x122
[   73.075000] mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command
[   73.080000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 8
[   73.080000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 1
[   73.090000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020
[   73.090000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8122
[   73.095000] mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command
[   73.100000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 16
[   73.100000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 2
[   73.105000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x20
[   73.105000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x122
[   73.110000] mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command
[   73.115000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 24
[   73.115000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 3
[   73.125000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020
[   73.125000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8122
[   73.130000] mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command
[   73.135000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0
[   73.135000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0
--------------------------

any help?

Thanks

Tony
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From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Mon Dec  8 11:02:28 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:02:28 +0100
Subject: wifi using GUI in 2008.9
In-Reply-To: <200812072017.31463.peter@familienijs.be>
References: <200812071214.03054.peter@familienijs.be>
	<op.ulshm5om41evsb@ginguppin> <200812072017.31463.peter@familienijs.be>
Message-ID: <op.ult8ueer41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

> My accesspoint is configured in wpa_supplicant, but the gui keeps asking  
> me
> for the key. Should I just not fill it in then?

dunno. never used any gui for wlan on the fr.
but i'd expect any gui to checl with wpa_supplicant.conf first -- what  
your gui obviously not does.
maybe grepping either in your home directory or in /etc (since 2008.9  
probably lets run you the fr as root) for the name of your ap might reveal  
a file which you could monitor?
but soem of these password helpers use to store passwords after successful  
login only, so you're probaly forced to type the correct phrase.
you could, though, put the phrase in a file, scp it to the fra nd try if  
c&p will work.

last idea: bug the developers of the gui.



From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Mon Dec  8 11:13:50 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:13:50 +0100
Subject: messed everything mixing repositories?
In-Reply-To: <20081207200044.93730@gmx.net>
References: <20081207200044.93730@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <op.ult9dcum41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

please, prefix the subject with your distribution!
it's not only a matter of politeness but, with the plethora of  
distributions available, a pure necessity to help people to help you!

if you're still using 2007.2 flash something more recent -- 2007.2 is dead.



From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Mon Dec  8 11:24:15 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:24:15 +0100
Subject: FTP Client
In-Reply-To: <1228701441665-1627481.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1228701441665-1627481.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <op.ult9up1t41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

sorry, my crystal ball just broke ...

please, prefix the subject with your distribution!
it's not only a matter of politeness but, with the plethora of   
distributions available, a pure necessity to help people to help you!
 



From andy at openmoko.com  Mon Dec  8 11:29:05 2008
From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:29:05 +0000
Subject: SD boot, mounting phone
In-Reply-To: <8F6D5724-5779-4C4F-A5BE-0A58B3C0C8B5@mtpalomar.net>
References: <8F6D5724-5779-4C4F-A5BE-0A58B3C0C8B5@mtpalomar.net>
Message-ID: <493CF6F1.1030404@openmoko.com>

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| This is not listed in the wiki.
|
| I can successfully boot from the SD card, using Hackable:1 (thanks
| folkes), and ssh into the SD card (thanks Arne, clare, Christopher &
Joel).
|
| Now that all of this can happen, how do I mount the phone, so I can edit
| the phone back to default?

What do you mean by "mount the phone"?  Which filesystem are you
thinking about mounting and editing?  If it is one on the SD card, then
the best thing to do is pop the SD Card out and meddle with it on a PC
via a card reader.

- -Andy
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From andy at openmoko.com  Mon Dec  8 11:31:32 2008
From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:31:32 +0000
Subject: [OM kernel newbie] Error building kernel
In-Reply-To: <ca542f150812071616l55806208lf1e53a89ac6c48e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ca542f150812071616l55806208lf1e53a89ac6c48e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493CF784.2050106@openmoko.com>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Hi,
|
| I've been trying to compile openmoko kernel and I can't even start
| because of this dummy error:
|
- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| $ ./build dummy
| scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig
|
| scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig
|   CHK     include/linux/version.h
| /bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected

This is coming out of not having a branch initialized in git I think
you'll find.

Try

git branch

in that dir and you'll see some error in parenthesis.

- -Andy
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From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Mon Dec  8 11:55:28 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:55:28 +0100
Subject: SD boot, mounting phone
In-Reply-To: <8F6D5724-5779-4C4F-A5BE-0A58B3C0C8B5@mtpalomar.net>
References: <8F6D5724-5779-4C4F-A5BE-0A58B3C0C8B5@mtpalomar.net>
Message-ID: <op.ulubaqb241evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

> Now that all of this can happen, how do I mount the phone, so I can
> edit the phone back to default?

doesn't your /etc/fstab contain an entry for /mnt/flash or so?
 from installing debian on sd i got
/dev/mtdblock6  /mnt/flash      jffs2   defaults,noatime,noauto         0 2

which mounts the internal flash -- not sure, though, how stable the device  
name is ...



From anthropophagite at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 12:00:05 2008
From: anthropophagite at gmail.com (Evgeny Karyakin)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:00:05 +0300
Subject: microsSD doesn't mount any more!
In-Reply-To: <3494db260812080044k32de9237sa6cbe3913a02ef9f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db260812050446s66ef9d5eo9c34c8669f2c5d51@mail.gmail.com>
	<49393076.7090809@openmoko.com>
	<3494db260812050625l63e9bd61mfe6e351d46a6b3c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<3494db260812080044k32de9237sa6cbe3913a02ef9f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <867b5c700812080300k66bbc6f9nc0f7841ab6cda360@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/8 Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com>:
>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Andy Green <andy at openmoko.com> wrote:
>>> | [   30.365000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 8
>>> Are there some glamo-mci errors floating around before that?
> some more feedback:
>
> I did format my card with 'http://www.sdcard.org/consumers/formatter/' but
> still doesn't work on FR. I get following dmesg:
>
> [   73.055000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020
> [   73.055000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8120
> [   73.060000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
> [   73.065000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0
> [   73.065000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0
...

   I suffered (and to some extent still suffering) with similar
troubles and ended up completely "blank" SD card with "dd
if=/dev/random of=/dev/mmcblk0" command, and then repartition it with
fdisk as described in wiki[1]. Also you can try slowing down glamo
rate for SD access by getting some hints from[2], although the latter
trick has to deal with another problem.

[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Partioning_the_SD_card
[2] http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743#comment:4



From xavier.bestel at free.fr  Mon Dec  8 12:16:03 2008
From: xavier.bestel at free.fr (Xavier Bestel)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:16:03 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <1228677880759-1626131.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
	<200812071956.23776.bundeshund@yahoo.de>
	<1228677880759-1626131.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1228734963.15300.1.camel@skunk>

On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 11:24 -0800, Christoph Siegenthaler wrote:
> I've been testing todays openmoko-testing-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 together
> with testing-om-gta02-20081207.uImage.bin after following the ML without
> actually flashing my freerunner a lot (for a few weeks).

BTW I just tested these images too, and I have no wifi (i.e. the
settings allow to turn on GPS and Bluetooth, buth there's no more a WIFI
entry). Is that expected ?

	Xav





From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Mon Dec  8 12:24:45 2008
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:24:45 +0000
Subject: [u-boot] Environment garbled after setenv?
In-Reply-To: <493CA987.6070702@gmail.com>
References: <493C10E1.6050701@gmail.com>
	<200812072313.31822.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<493CA987.6070702@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812081124.45716.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Monday 08 December 2008, Evgeniy Karyakin wrote:
> Al Johnson:
> > On Sunday 07 December 2008, Evgeniy Karyakin wrote:
> >> Joachim Breitner:
> >>> AFAIR, the NOR uboot and the NAND uboot don?t share the environment ?
> >>> is that right?
> >>
> >>     Then I don't know what "u-boot_env" points to. If we update NAND
> >> environment and then boot with the help of NOR menu, I don't see a
> >> point. Frankly I never tried NAND, maybe I should now.
> >
> > The NOR uboot environment is stored in NOR, and you can't change it
> > unless you have a debug board. This is intentional as the NOR uboot is
> > there to stop you being able to brick your phone, and it wouldn't be much
> > good at that if you could wipe its environment. You should usually be
> > using the NAND uboot which keeps its environment in NAND in the
> > u-boot_env area.
>
>     This explains everything, Al, thanks. So when I use a terminal to
> get into U-Boot console, I interact with NOR machinery, and u-boot_env
> storage is really in NAND field; that makes a point.

There's a bit more to it than that. As I understand it there are two entirely 
separate instances of uboot, each with separate environment storage. You can 
get into the uboot console of either of them, depending on which one you 
start.

NOR: Press and old Aux, then press and hold Power. NOR uboot menu should 
appear in ~2s. Environment is loaded from NOR storage. If you connect to the 
console you can edit the environment for that session, but you can't save the 
changes. This is so you always have a working uboot that will enable you to 
reload the NAND uboot and its environment, or replace it with an alternative 
bootloader such as Qi.

NAND: Press and hold Power then press and hold Aux. NAND uboot menu should 
appear in ~10s. Environment is loaded from NAND storage. If you connect to 
the console you can edit the environment and save the changes back to NAND.

Normal boot (just the power button) uses the default boot option for the NAND 
uboot.




From chris at csamuel.org  Mon Dec  8 12:57:39 2008
From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:57:39 +1100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <1228723308226-1628198.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
	<b66a83e00812071211o6862af19ha048e636b26fb2ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228723308226-1628198.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <200812082257.41945.chris@csamuel.org>

On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 7:01:48 pm Christoph Siegenthaler wrote:

> The echo isn't so bad either, but still there.

Yeah, it only tries to set the echo suppression for outgoing calls.  I tried 
to patch it to set it for incoming calls as well but without any success.

I also find that mine goes into speakerphone occasionally for incoming calls
which is, umm, inconvenient, shall we say.. :-)

> Addressbook and Calender work too.

Yup!

> Some other first impressions:
> - Timezone isn't set after one changes it in the initial setup

The Qtopia folks image is a bit broken sadly, I'm using the one that Morten 
put together here:

 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1437402i40

I do wish they'd post a fixed one!

> - Alarm doesn't ring when phone is suspended

Yeah, I can confirm that.

> - Does someone know a way to turn of "word prediction" in the
> handwriting input style?

This should do it (not tried it myself yet):

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_/_Qt_Extended_on_FreeRunner#Internationalization

cheers!
Chris
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From captain.deadly at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 13:23:06 2008
From: captain.deadly at gmail.com (Arigead)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:23:06 +0000
Subject: Funding Global Domination Mk II "The Console"
In-Reply-To: <20081205113647.bitpilw8g840884c@webmail.opentransfer.com>
References: <20081205113647.bitpilw8g840884c@webmail.opentransfer.com>
Message-ID: <493D11AA.9020305@gmail.com>

Sorry about this but I had another thought on this subject after the 
T-Shirt thread. This one might be a bit less "easy" ;-)

Hats off to OM for producing Open Hardware for programmers to create 
their ideas on. It's has been a noble effort and I hope it continues. I 
was thinking that the choice of Open Platform (Mobile Phone) was perhaps 
one of the most difficult choices that they could have made as very 
little Open software existed out there when they started. There are a 
lot of imaginative people in the community and in the fullness of time 
this is going to be brilliant.

I was thinking that one possible area where an open platform is needed 
is The Console. I've heard of a lot of people getting the original 
Microsoft xBox to hack it so that they can run unsigned code in the box. 
They then run XBMC in it. It seems such a shame that you have to buy a 
M$ games console to run an open source Media Centre.

Along the same lines a few years ago I spent months trying get MythTV 
running in an old Desktop to enable me to record TV. What can I say I 
never quite made it. Now to my knowledge the original xBox was not too 
far removed from a regular PC in nice plastics. It had TV out instead of 
a regular monitor connection. That is perhaps an an area of difficulty 
as perhaps different countries run different TV protocols.

Anyhow some day I'd like to put together some hardware that could run 
MythTV, XBMC maybe have a huge Terabyte of storage and act as a file 
server as well. Maybe it could run Linux games as well and various 
emulators. Yes what Linux games ;-)

So you'd have a PC Motherboard, TV out don't know what standard. Do all 
modern TV's take the same digital connection all over the world? Then 
you'll have a TV in signal for recording TV. Again I've no idea if that 
would mean different hardware all over the world. Ethernet, USB, Remote 
control. Nice plastics.

A few companies have toyed with the idea of producing Open Console but 
to my knowledge nobody has ever really done it well. Yes there are 
various communities out there and that if anything shows that there has 
always been this "need".

The last thing I'd want is for OM to dilute their effort on the FR but 
maybe someday they could become the name in OpenHardware. "OpenMoko 
Purveyors of OpenHardware since the start of the new millennium ;-)"
Maybe I should join the Open Game Console Consortium and get some 
hardware specs and put my own console together that might take some time 
so if OM beat me to it I'll certainly buy their kit again.

Later





From iknowjoseph at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 13:38:28 2008
From: iknowjoseph at gmail.com (Joseph Reeves)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:38:28 +0000
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
Message-ID: <958244340812080438k16d023cdue0e38b834ce63ed6@mail.gmail.com>

GTK support seems mildly improved in the testing release, but I'm
still having big troubles with it. Note, that relatively simple GTK
apps, such as TangoGPS work without issue.

We're running a complex GTK app:  http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/

It works perfectly on 2007.2, but on 2008.x releases it suffers from
multiple problems; layouting and stability seem to the big ones. It is
improved when running on the latest testing release, but still not up
to the standard of GTK applications on 2007.2.

We were promised that we wouldn't need to worry about Openmoko moving
away from GTK as the latest releases would still run GTK applications.
However performance is clearly below an acceptable level.

I will be filing bugs ASAP and would be very interested in hearing
comments from others. If anyone would like a copy of the gvSIG Mobile
ipk for testing, please let me know.

Thanks,

Joseph



2008/11/30 John Lee <john_lee at openmoko.com>:
> Dear Community,
>
> As Sushama (our new testing team member) indicated in
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003493.html ,
> we won't have a release in Nov.  Currently the testing team is going
> to do a full test on the latest testing image.  It has all the goodies
> we did and a lot of improvements over Om2008.9, so please try it and
> report any error you find.
>
>
> Upgrade howto:
>
> From Om2008.9 it's recommanded to upgrade with the following steps:
>
> sed -i -e 's%Om2008.8%testing%' /etc/opkg/*.conf
> /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop
> screen -DR
> opkg update
> opkg -force-overwrite upgrade
> # (please ans Y to all questions)
> # (the sshd (dropbear) will restart, so you need to reconnect and do
> # 'screen -DR' again)
> opkg upgrade
> shutdown -r now
>
> To get the fastest boot time you also need to remove the following
> packages:
>
> opkg remove task-base-nfs task-base-smbfs task-base-bluetooth \
> task-base-usbgadget avahi-daemon avahi-autoipd blueprobe \
> usb-gadget-mode portmap exquisite exquisite-theme-freerunner \
> exquisite-themes
>
>
> Known issues:
>
> * GTK redraw problem
> * some obsolete kernel modules still left in system
> * must remove 'ro' in kernel boot parameter if you use sd boot.
> * will purge your incompatible e config, so you might need to set
>  stuffs like suspend time again.
>
>
> Echo:
>
> Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's
> impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models.
> However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your
> neo.  My way is to adjust
> control.4 Speaker Playback Volume in
> /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state
>
> the max value is 127, 95 works best on my a5.  With volume level 3 or
> 4 in qtopia dialer, the other side can hear no echo while I get good
> audio quality.
>
>
> Team update:
>
> Tick helped to put his touchscreen improvement into stable-tracking,
> he will work on opkg internals next.  Olv moved to look into kernel
> and fso.  Erin will try bluetooth.  Julian is working on the GTK
> redraw issue, please help him out.  Jeremy will fix some qtopia bugs
> and keep working on suspend/resume issues.
>
>
> Regards,
> John
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



From gnublade at googlemail.com  Mon Dec  8 13:42:39 2008
From: gnublade at googlemail.com (Andy Kilner)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:42:39 +0000
Subject: [android] Unable to read long SMS messages
Message-ID: <6294ac990812080442m90a1ad6sf70a5e94d3e0dfb8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I've been using android on my freerunner for a few days now, the
original image and the latest image and both seem to have a problem
displaying SMS messages that go over a few words.

Has anyone else experienced this problem, or do most of you just avoid
txting?  I'm afraid it's an essential requirement of my phone almost more so
than being able to place and receive calls.

I've had a quick poke about on the adb shell but
data/data/com.google.android.providers.telephony/databases/sms.db appears to
be empty.  Can anyone point me in the direction of where SMS's are stored,
unfortunately it doesn't look like it's going to be all that simple.

The phone also refuses to send SMS messages, if I attempt to do so the gsm
connection is dropped and sometimes it can be a pain in the arse getting it
back.

All in all though, (IMHO) Android is looking the more promising and I'd like
to stick with it.

Cheers
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From imran2k1 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 14:00:52 2008
From: imran2k1 at gmail.com (imran ali)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:30:52 +0530
Subject: [android] Unable to read long SMS messages
In-Reply-To: <6294ac990812080442m90a1ad6sf70a5e94d3e0dfb8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6294ac990812080442m90a1ad6sf70a5e94d3e0dfb8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8a62402e0812080500h6001ce64xa4eec72568789eb5@mail.gmail.com>

hey, i tried to install on my freeRunner, but
after installing it is not woking,
if any one know the correct binary for android then kindly send
link, or process!
thanks and regard
imran

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Andy Kilner <gnublade at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi, I've been using android on my freerunner for a few days now, the
> original image and the latest image and both seem to have a problem
> displaying SMS messages that go over a few words.
>
> Has anyone else experienced this problem, or do most of you just avoid
> txting?  I'm afraid it's an essential requirement of my phone almost more so
> than being able to place and receive calls.
>
> I've had a quick poke about on the adb shell but
> data/data/com.google.android.providers.telephony/databases/sms.db appears to
> be empty.  Can anyone point me in the direction of where SMS's are stored,
> unfortunately it doesn't look like it's going to be all that simple.
>
> The phone also refuses to send SMS messages, if I attempt to do so the gsm
> connection is dropped and sometimes it can be a pain in the arse getting it
> back.
>
> All in all though, (IMHO) Android is looking the more promising and I'd
> like to stick with it.
>
> Cheers
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From scottrcarlson at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 14:10:45 2008
From: scottrcarlson at gmail.com (SCarlson)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:10:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: FTP Client
In-Reply-To: <op.ult9up1t41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <1228701441665-1627481.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<op.ult9up1t41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <1228741845850-1628969.post@n2.nabble.com>


"Crystal Ball"?   This question is not specific to a distro flavor.  FSO or
OM2008, Openmoko, Qtopia. An ARM port of a ftp client... Just curious if
someone else has done the work already, if not I want to get one ported.

Scott


arne anka wrote:
> 
> sorry, my crystal ball just broke ...
> 
> please, prefix the subject with your distribution!
> it's not only a matter of politeness but, with the plethora of   
> distributions available, a pure necessity to help people to help you!
>  
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
> 

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From zecke at selfish.org  Mon Dec  8 14:20:17 2008
From: zecke at selfish.org (Holger Freyther)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:20:17 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)
In-Reply-To: <958244340812080438k16d023cdue0e38b834ce63ed6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081130115021.GA6586@localhost>
	<958244340812080438k16d023cdue0e38b834ce63ed6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F8EAE0DC-9EC8-487C-AB22-D527CC62FAD4@selfish.org>


Am 08.12.2008 um 13:38 schrieb Joseph Reeves:

> GTK support seems mildly improved in the testing release, but I'm
> still having big troubles with it. Note, that relatively simple GTK
> apps, such as TangoGPS work without issue.
>
> We're running a complex GTK app:  http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/
>
> It works perfectly on 2007.2, but on 2008.x releases it suffers from
> multiple problems; layouting and stability seem to the big ones. It is
> improved when running on the latest testing release, but still not up
> to the standard of GTK applications on 2007.2.
>
> We were promised that we wouldn't need to worry about Openmoko moving
> away from GTK as the latest releases would still run GTK applications.
> However performance is clearly below an acceptable level.


Yes, please file bugs. Please also attach the versions of cairo, gtk+,  
glib, pango from Om2007.2 and Om2008.8.

Did you try to use a different theme engine? Is that changing the  
performance?

z.






From ivanshirokoff at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 14:20:20 2008
From: ivanshirokoff at gmail.com (Ivan Shirokoff)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:20:20 +0300
Subject: perl for OM
Message-ID: <493D1F14.9090001@gmail.com>

Hello. Has anyone managed to compile perl for FR?



From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Mon Dec  8 14:24:53 2008
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:24:53 +0100
Subject: microsSD doesn't mount any more!
In-Reply-To: <867b5c700812080300k66bbc6f9nc0f7841ab6cda360@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db260812050446s66ef9d5eo9c34c8669f2c5d51@mail.gmail.com>
	<49393076.7090809@openmoko.com>
	<3494db260812050625l63e9bd61mfe6e351d46a6b3c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<3494db260812080044k32de9237sa6cbe3913a02ef9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<867b5c700812080300k66bbc6f9nc0f7841ab6cda360@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3494db260812080524g779b5febl953665e30d2b4d80@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Evgeny Karyakin
<anthropophagite at gmail.com>wrote:

> 2008/12/8 Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com>:
> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Andy Green <andy at openmoko.com> wrote:
> >>> | [   30.365000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 8
> >>> Are there some glamo-mci errors floating around before that?
> > some more feedback:
> >
> > I did format my card with 'http://www.sdcard.org/consumers/formatter/'
> but
> > still doesn't work on FR. I get following dmesg:
> >
> > [   73.055000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020
> > [   73.055000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8120
> > [   73.060000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
> > [   73.065000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0
> > [   73.065000] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0
> ...
>
>   I suffered (and to some extent still suffering) with similar
> troubles and ended up completely "blank" SD card with "dd
> if=/dev/random of=/dev/mmcblk0" command, and then repartition it with
> fdisk as described in wiki[1]. Also you can try slowing down glamo
> rate for SD access by getting some hints from[2], although the latter
> trick has to deal with another problem.
>
> [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Partioning_the_SD_card
> [2] http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743#comment:4
>
>
just for the records, when I did another upgrade today with the latest
updates in the test repository, my card was picked-up by FR. So I think now
the problem (whatever it was!) should be regarded as solved.

Thanks

Tony
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From iknowjoseph at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 14:24:54 2008
From: iknowjoseph at gmail.com (Joseph Reeves)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:24:54 +0000
Subject: FTP Client
In-Reply-To: <1228741845850-1628969.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1228701441665-1627481.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<op.ult9up1t41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<1228741845850-1628969.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <958244340812080524w7980c6cbib8c588b12764338a@mail.gmail.com>

http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/yet_another_openmoko_ftp_client


2008/12/8 SCarlson <scottrcarlson at gmail.com>:
>
> "Crystal Ball"?   This question is not specific to a distro flavor.  FSO or
> OM2008, Openmoko, Qtopia. An ARM port of a ftp client... Just curious if
> someone else has done the work already, if not I want to get one ported.
>
> Scott
>
>
> arne anka wrote:
>>
>> sorry, my crystal ball just broke ...
>>
>> please, prefix the subject with your distribution!
>> it's not only a matter of politeness but, with the plethora of
>> distributions available, a pure necessity to help people to help you!
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
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From graeme at openmoko.org  Mon Dec  8 14:30:16 2008
From: graeme at openmoko.org (Graeme Gregory)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:30:16 +0000
Subject: perl for OM
In-Reply-To: <493D1F14.9090001@gmail.com>
References: <493D1F14.9090001@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228743016.7018.43.camel@aquilonia>

On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 16:20 +0300, Ivan Shirokoff wrote:
> Hello. Has anyone managed to compile perl for FR?
> 

Yes it successfully compiles in OE, so if you log a feature request bug
and request it get added to official feeds it should become available.

Graeme





From graeme at openmoko.org  Mon Dec  8 14:32:54 2008
From: graeme at openmoko.org (Graeme Gregory)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:32:54 +0000
Subject: FTP Client
In-Reply-To: <1228741845850-1628969.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1228701441665-1627481.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<op.ult9up1t41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<1228741845850-1628969.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1228743174.7018.45.camel@aquilonia>

On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 05:10 -0800, SCarlson wrote:
> "Crystal Ball"?   This question is not specific to a distro flavor.  FSO or
> OM2008, Openmoko, Qtopia. An ARM port of a ftp client... Just curious if
> someone else has done the work already, if not I want to get one ported.
> 
There are numerous ftp clients already in OE. What specific features do
you search for? GUI? If its just a basic command line one then file a
feature request bug to get it added to official feeds.

Graeme





From ivanshirokoff at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 14:43:28 2008
From: ivanshirokoff at gmail.com (Ivan Shirokoff)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:43:28 +0300
Subject: perl for OM
In-Reply-To: <1228743016.7018.43.camel@aquilonia>
References: <493D1F14.9090001@gmail.com> <1228743016.7018.43.camel@aquilonia>
Message-ID: <493D2480.90607@gmail.com>

Graeme Gregory ?????:
> On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 16:20 +0300, Ivan Shirokoff wrote:
>   
>> Hello. Has anyone managed to compile perl for FR?
>>
>>     
>
> Yes it successfully compiles in OE, so if you log a feature request bug
> and request it get added to official feeds it should become available.
>
> Graeme
>   

Sorry for asking. But what OE stands for?
>
>
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From graeme at openmoko.org  Mon Dec  8 14:45:29 2008
From: graeme at openmoko.org (Graeme Gregory)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:45:29 +0000
Subject: perl for OM
In-Reply-To: <493D2480.90607@gmail.com>
References: <493D1F14.9090001@gmail.com>
	<1228743016.7018.43.camel@aquilonia>  <493D2480.90607@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228743929.7018.46.camel@aquilonia>

On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 16:43 +0300, Ivan Shirokoff wrote:
> Graeme Gregory ?????:
> > On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 16:20 +0300, Ivan Shirokoff wrote:
> >   
> >> Hello. Has anyone managed to compile perl for FR?
> >>
> >>     
> >
> > Yes it successfully compiles in OE, so if you log a feature request bug
> > and request it get added to official feeds it should become available.
> >
> > Graeme
> >   
> 
> Sorry for asking. But what OE stands for?

OpenEmbedded, the build system that OM uses. There is an awful lot more
software in OE than what is officially supported by OM.

Graeme





From Quakeman1 at gmx.net  Mon Dec  8 14:50:36 2008
From: Quakeman1 at gmx.net (Fox Mulder)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:50:36 +0100
Subject: FTP Client
In-Reply-To: <1228743174.7018.45.camel@aquilonia>
References: <1228701441665-1627481.post@n2.nabble.com>	<op.ult9up1t41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>	<1228741845850-1628969.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1228743174.7018.45.camel@aquilonia>
Message-ID: <493D262C.2050404@gmx.net>

Graeme Gregory wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 05:10 -0800, SCarlson wrote:
>> "Crystal Ball"?   This question is not specific to a distro flavor.  FSO or
>> OM2008, Openmoko, Qtopia. An ARM port of a ftp client... Just curious if
>> someone else has done the work already, if not I want to get one ported.
>>
> There are numerous ftp clients already in OE. What specific features do
> you search for? GUI? If its just a basic command line one then file a
> feature request bug to get it added to official feeds.

I use Debian and there i got many ftp clients from console to gui. For
example ncftp or filezilla, everything is there and they also should
work with other distributions on the freerunner.

Ciao,
     Rainer



From sean at mcneil.com  Mon Dec  8 15:22:06 2008
From: sean at mcneil.com (Sean McNeil)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:22:06 +0700
Subject: [android] Unable to read long SMS messages
In-Reply-To: <6294ac990812080442m90a1ad6sf70a5e94d3e0dfb8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6294ac990812080442m90a1ad6sf70a5e94d3e0dfb8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493D2D8E.5030100@mcneil.com>

Hi Andy,

What would be really helpful is to have it plugged into a linux host and 
run the command

ADBHOST=neo ./adb logcat -b radio

This assumes you have your host setup to connect usb over ethernet and 
have neo set to the proper IP.

Andy Kilner wrote:
> Hi, I've been using android on my freerunner for a few days now, the 
> original image and the latest image and both seem to have a problem 
> displaying SMS messages that go over a few words.
>
> Has anyone else experienced this problem, or do most of you just avoid 
> txting?  I'm afraid it's an essential requirement of my phone almost 
> more so than being able to place and receive calls.
>
> I've had a quick poke about on the adb shell but 
> data/data/com.google.android.providers.telephony/databases/sms.db 
> appears to be empty.  Can anyone point me in the direction of where 
> SMS's are stored, unfortunately it doesn't look like it's going to be 
> all that simple.
>
> The phone also refuses to send SMS messages, if I attempt to do so the 
> gsm connection is dropped and sometimes it can be a pain in the arse 
> getting it back.
>
> All in all though, (IMHO) Android is looking the more promising and 
> I'd like to stick with it.
>
> Cheers
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From captain.deadly at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 15:31:31 2008
From: captain.deadly at gmail.com (Arigead)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:31:31 +0000
Subject: Funding Global Domination
In-Reply-To: <49392A95.5070409@hist.no>
References: <26fea52c0810251656y78654233haa813212b4238de3@mail.gmail.com>	<20081203105130.GA9286@roque.1407.org>	<op.ulk14r0j41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>	<200812031838.05799.haduong@centre-cired.fr>	<49371D01.7080101@gmail.com>
	<49392A95.5070409@hist.no>
Message-ID: <493D2FC3.5030502@gmail.com>

Helge Hafting wrote:
> Arigead wrote:
> [...]
>> Thanks for the info all,
>>     as Arne correctly spotted I was only interested in helping fund
>> global domination, which does not come for free. I can design my own T
>> Shirt and have it made but benefit to OM = Zero. Not interested in this
>> at all. If OM have made it clear they are not into derived products then
>> that answers the question I asked and the subject is closed.
>>
> There is always the benefit of free marketing, when someone wear a shirt
> with "openmoko" or similiar on it. They may sell more phones.
> 
> Or you could sell T-shirts, and collect some money to fund a developer
> for some time. Better software gives more sales.
> 
> There are other ways of support than direct money transfer, if you're 
> interested.
> 
> Helge Hafting
> 

Don't rate my chances of selling T-Shirts Helge ;-) I'm a programmer of 
sorts but my hands have been sort of tied by my use of a eeePC 700. 8Gig 
ain't a lot to play with. Yesterday I finally got my new eeePC 1000 so 
I've got enough memory to make a stab at some coding. All I have to do 
is learn how to build the Kernel and FSO and I'm away. I'm leaving 
T-Shirts to the experts, but I'll be happy to buy the good ones.



From fgau at gau-net.de  Mon Dec  8 15:32:08 2008
From: fgau at gau-net.de (Gau, Frank)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:32:08 +0100
Subject: Global domination
In-Reply-To: <ArTg3kTkfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
References: <ArTg3kTkfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
Message-ID: <493D2FE8.8060702@gau-net.de>

for your information: the 'underground' label is no longer associated 
with the 'pyneo-logo'.
pyneo has its own online shop, you'll find it here: 
http://pyneo.org/t-shirt/

frank

Christoph Pulster schrieb:
>>    At your urging we have opened a storefront to sell Openmoko
>> merchandise.  http://www.cafepress.com/openmoko_inc
> 
> I suggest to add this shirt style:
> http://www.neo1973-germany.de/raw-attachment/wiki/ 
> CommunityMemberOfTheMonth/shirt_front.JPG
> http://www.neo1973-germany.de/raw-attachment/wiki/ 
> CommunityMemberOfTheMonth/shirt_back.JPG
> 
> Chris
> 
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From tobias.kuendig at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 15:53:50 2008
From: tobias.kuendig at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Tobias_K=FCndig?=)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:53:50 +0100
Subject: www.opkg.org - Update
Message-ID: <493D34FE.9050200@gmail.com>

Hello everyone!

I finally found some time to work on www.opkg.org again.

The biggest update is the launch of an API to access the packages database.
There were also some other minor changes.

For more details about the update and the API visit 
http://www.opkg.org/posting_2.html.

Regards,
Tobias



From rdmyers at mtpalomar.net  Mon Dec  8 16:15:05 2008
From: rdmyers at mtpalomar.net (Rodney Myers)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:15:05 -0800
Subject: SD boot, mounting phone
In-Reply-To: <493CF6F1.1030404@openmoko.com>
References: <8F6D5724-5779-4C4F-A5BE-0A58B3C0C8B5@mtpalomar.net>
	<493CF6F1.1030404@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <9B04A237-C072-46B9-B4E8-3D3C270BC86F@mtpalomar.net>

On Dec 8, 2008, at 2:29 AM, Andy Green wrote:

> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> | This is not listed in the wiki.
> |
> | I can successfully boot from the SD card, using Hackable:1 (thanks
> | folkes), and ssh into the SD card (thanks Arne, clare, Christopher &
> Joel).
> |
> | Now that all of this can happen, how do I mount the phone, so I  
> can edit
> | the phone back to default?
>
> What do you mean by "mount the phone"?  Which filesystem are you
> thinking about mounting and editing?  If it is one on the SD card,  
> then
> the best thing to do is pop the SD Card out and meddle with it on a PC
> via a card reader.
>
> - -Andy

I'm booting from the SD card, attempting to unscrew the phone. If I  
can "mount" the phone, I can un-edit the "/etc/network/interfaces"  
file so I can ssh back into the phone, not the SD card.


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From rdmyers at mtpalomar.net  Mon Dec  8 16:16:03 2008
From: rdmyers at mtpalomar.net (Rodney Myers)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:16:03 -0800
Subject: SD boot, mounting phone
In-Reply-To: <op.ulubaqb241evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <8F6D5724-5779-4C4F-A5BE-0A58B3C0C8B5@mtpalomar.net>
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On Dec 8, 2008, at 2:55 AM, arne anka wrote:

>> Now that all of this can happen, how do I mount the phone, so I can
>> edit the phone back to default?
>
> doesn't your /etc/fstab contain an entry for /mnt/flash or so?
> from installing debian on sd i got
> /dev/mtdblock6  /mnt/flash      jffs2    
> defaults,noatime,noauto         0 2
>
> which mounts the internal flash -- not sure, though, how stable the  
> device
> name is ...


I think I did see something like that. I will look later, and see what  
is there.

Thanks
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From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 16:19:20 2008
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:19:20 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <493C2620.2030208@openmoko.com>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
	<5a4c54db0812071107o6fb43b9dj32d5ad025c85d1fa@mail.gmail.com>
	<493C2620.2030208@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <26fea52c0812080719k1450b37et27256f2f9b51ee79@mail.gmail.com>

but what part of that 13% is caused by the absence of deep sleep (both
for GSM and for lcd) ?
this seemed to me something that had to be calculated/measured before
removing it...
(for the record: i have never had a WSOD, but I did have the re-registering bug)

but i consider both as "not fixed". it's a good workaround till there
is a better one, but it should not be considered fixed.
two/four kernels seems like a good idea

On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Andy Green <andy at openmoko.com> wrote:
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> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> | The problem is:
> | This is afaik not a fix but a workaround which costs battery power.
> | So I think there should be two kernels:
> | One with and one without this patch.
>
> There's a small hit on suspend current, but it is evidently pretty small
> since two users tested it overnight (9h) at a cost of 13% battery.
>
> On andy-tracking shortly we plan to take down the regulator supplying
> the LCM during suspend and solve it that way, if the LCM ASIC doesn't
> have any more surprises.  Then it should even outperform the previous
> way with ASIC in Deep Sleep for current savings.
>
> - -Andy
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From cmd at gmx.net  Mon Dec  8 16:32:45 2008
From: cmd at gmx.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Clemens_D=F6rrh=F6fer?=)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:32:45 +0100
Subject: Call history
Message-ID: <493D3E1D.60606@gmx.net>

I am using Om2008.8 and my call history does not record the timestamp, 
when that "callevent" was. Does anybody know how I can fix it?

By the way is it possible to alter the look of the contact detail view?



From captain.deadly at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 16:41:01 2008
From: captain.deadly at gmail.com (Arigead)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:41:01 +0000
Subject: OMoney Milestone 1
In-Reply-To: <5a4c54db0812071030xb4adcd3n975282c00432359f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5a4c54db0812071030xb4adcd3n975282c00432359f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493D400D.9080401@gmail.com>

Thomas Bumbl wrote:

> What do I want from you?
>  * Feedback:    Do you like the app or do you think the author has gone
> round the bend?
>         What could be improved?
>         Features you would like to see?
>         How could one display the history more efficiently?
>  * Patches:    If you think a part of code is inefficient, too unflexible,
> incomplete, buggy, etc
>         feel free to contribute a patch.
>         Be kind, this is my first application with GUI
> 

Firstly you beat me to it ;-) this was one of two apps that I wanted in 
my phone and I started on the other one so now I get to use yours for 
expenses. I've only just installed it in fso m4 but I'll have more 
detailed look at it later on this evening and get back to you on it.

In the mean time one thing that I'd really like is a smart phone, and 
I'd like your app to take advantage of the smarts. This is not really to 
do with your app as such but the FSO. I think it'd be as cool as if 
there was a project working on Context in the FSO and some app in which 
you could specify a new context based on gps coordinates, or wifi 
coverage, or whatever.

I'm dull as and there are only so many places that I eat lunch when I'm 
at work. Given that fact your app should not have to ask me where I'm 
spending money. If I'm at the same co-ordinates that I spent my money 
twice last week it should have a fair idea that I'm in the cafe by the 
river.

I'd not like to look at the history on the phone as even on that great 
screen I think you're on a hiding to nothing ;-) Create an app that will 
sit on the desktop and display you history in any number of ways. Use 
the FR for inputing the data on the spot and maybe give a summary on the 
phone but allow the user to really interrogate the data on the desktop. 
Maybe I'm getting even more anal in my old age but for some reason I 
wanted to have the FR recording my expenses in the coming year so that 
at the end of 2009 I could simply query how much did I spend in coffee 
last year?

OK I AM getting more anal ;-)



From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 16:57:41 2008
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:57:41 +0100
Subject: OMoney Milestone 1
In-Reply-To: <5a4c54db0812071030xb4adcd3n975282c00432359f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5a4c54db0812071030xb4adcd3n975282c00432359f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26fea52c0812080757h3f6c88d6q5f0d9a3a2475d37b@mail.gmail.com>

hi bumbl,

feedback:
an edit/remove/remove all button would be handy

see you on irc
y

On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Thomas Bumbl <bumbl3x3 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like to announce the initial release of OMoney!
> OMoney ... bookkeeping on the go.
> One might ask, why the hell do we need a bookkeeping software on a phone?
> Because my experience shows that if one does not record the gains and
> expenses one forgets half of them.
> And ... Because we can.
>
> As OMoney is one of those "release early, release often programs"
> milestone 1 at the moment includes "only" the following corefeatures:
>  * Displays the current available amount of money
>  * One can do transactions to add and deduce money
>     * Automatic keyboard call
>  * A history table which includes date, time, amount, purpose and location
> of the transaction
>  * Basic error handling
>
> Downloadlink for the ipk:
> [1]
>
> More features will come soon:
> Currently I am implementing a settings dialog (to e.g. set the currency [at
> the moment one has to edit a constant in the omoney file])
> For more planned features look at the project's bug tracker.
>
> From a technical point of view OMoney uses:
>  * python
>  * python-ecore
>  * python-evas
>  * python-edje
>  * python-etk (for entry and table widget)
>  * python-sqlite3
>
> What do I want from you?
>  * Feedback:    Do you like the app or do you think the author has gone
> round the bend?
>         What could be improved?
>         Features you would like to see?
>         How could one display the history more efficiently?
>  * Patches:    If you think a part of code is inefficient, too unflexible,
> incomplete, buggy, etc
>         feel free to contribute a patch.
>         Be kind, this is my first application with GUI
>
> I hope there are a few people who find this application useful.
>
> The sources and the bugtracker are located here [2]
>
> P.S.: Special thanks to Ainulindale for helping me with bitbake.
>         And special thanks
>
>
> [1] http://omoney.googlecode.com/files/omoney_milestone1-1-r0_armv4t.ipk
> [2] http://code.google.com/p/omoney/
>
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From cedric.berger74 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 17:13:33 2008
From: cedric.berger74 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E9dric_Berger?=)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:13:33 +0100
Subject: [android] Maps application
In-Reply-To: <49399301.4090202@anconafamily.com>
References: <bff0f0570812050004i47c149ach1bbddb33fbe6a0ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<49399301.4090202@anconafamily.com>
Message-ID: <bff0f0570812080813q4cf77c1cpa60ac1ce6db08e99@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 21:45, Jim Ancona <jim at anconafamily.com> wrote:

> IANAL, but the SDK license agreement says "Except to the extent required
> by applicable third party licenses, you may not load any part of the SDK
> onto a mobile handset or any other hardware device except a personal
> computer, combine any part of the SDK with other software, or distribute
> any software or device incorporating a part of the SDK." I would read
> that as prohibiting even installing anything from the SDK on your own
> phone, never mind distributing it.
>

Yes, the point missing here is the "applicable third party licence".
(and it is not even really third party !).
I see no reason why google would not allow the use of this API. Not
open sourcing it is one thing, but it is an important piece of their
framework, and their goal is to spread the use of android and its
applications...


> Even if the API were available, Google's TOS are fairly restrictive (see
>  http://code.google.com/android/maps-api-signup.html). In particular,
> you may not "use the Service or Content with any products, systems, or
> applications for or in connection with (a) real time navigation or route
> guidance based on position input from a sensor (including but not
> limited to any visual or audible turn-byturn route guidance)". That
> seems to prohibit even using the GPS to indicate the direction to your
> destination.
>
> To avoid all these issues, one alternative is OSMdroid, a
> reimplementation of the Maps API using Open Street Maps data. It's at:
>
> http://code.google.com/p/osmdroid/
>

I have installed Andnav 2. Looks really promising. I do not know if it
can run without google.map API (since I did add the library for other
tests....)
Andnav1 was depending on it and its data. But due to licence issues,
(for advanced use as navigation, offline cache,...), version 2 uses
OSM.

I will try the GPS tracking soon. For now, I could not test much
because I cannot get internet connectivity with Android on my neo.
But I cached some maps within Andnav2 in the Emulator, then copied
them onto my neo, so I can navigate the maps now.

(to try Andnav, you have to register on their site, but for I think it
is not yet opened to the US)
http://www.andnav.org/
http://www.andnav.org/index.php/community-forum?task=viewtopic&id=12



From gnublade at googlemail.com  Mon Dec  8 17:14:01 2008
From: gnublade at googlemail.com (Andy Kilner)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:14:01 +0000
Subject: [android] Unable to read long SMS messages
In-Reply-To: <493D2D8E.5030100@mcneil.com>
References: <6294ac990812080442m90a1ad6sf70a5e94d3e0dfb8@mail.gmail.com>
	<493D2D8E.5030100@mcneil.com>
Message-ID: <6294ac990812080814v1efc696bna043d9b952502bf5@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, I've run a number of tests listening to the output of logcat.

1) Unsuccessfully sending an SMS message

2) Successfully receiving a short SMS message containing "Short message"

3) Unsuccessfully receiving a full SMS message (160 chars)

I'm not sure what the cutoff point is here for the length that can be
successfully received, I could try a few more and narrow it down.

4)  And just incase I haven't pissed anyone off enough attaching large
files I've included the logcat output (not just for radio) when
attempting to power down the device (which doesn't work and just sits
there with the spinner until I take the battery out).

Thanks for your help with this, if you can point me in the right
direction I'll help out as much as I can.

Cheers,

Andy

2008/12/8 Sean McNeil <sean at mcneil.com>
>
> Hi Andy,
>
> What would be really helpful is to have it plugged into a linux host and
> run the command
>
> ADBHOST=neo ./adb logcat -b radio
>
> This assumes you have your host setup to connect usb over ethernet and
> have neo set to the proper IP.
>
> Andy Kilner wrote:
> > Hi, I've been using android on my freerunner for a few days now, the
> > original image and the latest image and both seem to have a problem
> > displaying SMS messages that go over a few words.
> >
> > Has anyone else experienced this problem, or do most of you just avoid
> > txting?  I'm afraid it's an essential requirement of my phone almost
> > more so than being able to place and receive calls.
> >
> > I've had a quick poke about on the adb shell but
> > data/data/com.google.android.providers.telephony/databases/sms.db
> > appears to be empty.  Can anyone point me in the direction of where
> > SMS's are stored, unfortunately it doesn't look like it's going to be
> > all that simple.
> >
> > The phone also refuses to send SMS messages, if I attempt to do so the
> > gsm connection is dropped and sometimes it can be a pain in the arse
> > getting it back.
> >
> > All in all though, (IMHO) Android is looking the more promising and
> > I'd like to stick with it.
> >
> > Cheers
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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From roland at quru.com  Mon Dec  8 17:23:03 2008
From: roland at quru.com (Roland Whitehead)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:23:03 +0000
Subject: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
Message-ID: <FD648A84-A1C7-4A53-A510-0A1B1D4083C1@quru.com>

I, like a great many others I suspect, have a NeoFreerunner doing its  
best impression of a brick on the shelf because I just don't have the  
time to get it to the point where it works as a phone before I start  
doing what I got it for - developing additional software. Monitoring  
these lists and the wiki periodically produces an impetus for dusting  
it off and giving it another go (like this past week-end's claim that  
WSOD was gone) before reality sinks home and either the Neo white  
screens or my trusty Mac grey screens.

Yes there are many different distributions out there but what is very  
clearly missing are simple, obvious instructions on how to go from a  
brick to a working device - just a machine that will turn on and off,  
will ring, answer and make calls, not hang and not have buzzing when  
on a call. After that, the user should be left to get on with it but  
I've completely failed to get to that stage despite trying 4 different  
distributions. I'm really talking basic here - if you have a machine  
that works for you, what Bootloader, Kernel and RootFS are you using  
and where did you get them from? What were the core applications that  
you loaded to make it work, where did you get them from and which  
versions? What were the modifications that you made to various  
settings files. If you have a working machine, could you blat it and  
rebuild it to get to the same position as you are in now? If so, would  
you document your process and share it with us? I don't really care  
which distribution at the moment - I just want one that could claim to  
work that I can then start developing with. I've got my Python books  
out ready...

I have searched high and low through the wiki and list archives for  
over a month with no joy. If I've missed something blindingly obvious  
then perhaps you'd point me in the right direction. I guess the issue  
is that I'm neither a hardware hacker nor a kernel hacker but an  
application hacker - I'm certainly not an "end user" in the normal  
mobile phone sense but I still can't get anywhere.

The temptation is just to say "oh well, I'll just leave it and go and  
play with Android or get an iPhone" but that is not what I got onto  
this for...


Roland
-- 
QURU Ltd, London
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From jim at anconafamily.com  Mon Dec  8 18:06:14 2008
From: jim at anconafamily.com (Jim Ancona)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:06:14 -0500
Subject: [android] Maps application
In-Reply-To: <bff0f0570812080813q4cf77c1cpa60ac1ce6db08e99@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bff0f0570812050004i47c149ach1bbddb33fbe6a0ba@mail.gmail.com>	<49399301.4090202@anconafamily.com>
	<bff0f0570812080813q4cf77c1cpa60ac1ce6db08e99@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493D5406.9020709@anconafamily.com>

C?dric Berger wrote:
> I see no reason why google would not allow the use of this API. Not
> open sourcing it is one thing, but it is an important piece of their
> framework, and their goal is to spread the use of android and its
> applications...

I agree completely! Now if someone from Google would chime in... :-)

> I have installed Andnav 2. Looks really promising. I do not know if it
> can run without google.map API (since I did add the library for other
> tests....)
> Andnav1 was depending on it and its data. But due to licence issues,
> (for advanced use as navigation, offline cache,...), version 2 uses
> OSM.

It seems that Andnav is not open source, while osmdroid is GPL3. Same 
developer name in both places, so I'm guessing that Andnav uses osmdroid 
under the "I can relicense my code to myself" exception.

Apparently he plans to start charging for Andnav, but he's also asking 
for donations to fund a US server. Sounds like there's still some 
confusion about a business model.

osmdroid may still be a good option for an unencumbered Maps API for 
Android, especially if Google doesn't make their maps API distributable 
on devices running open source Android.

What I'd really like to see is a cloned (i.e. just change package name), 
open source reimplementation of the Google maps API with pluggable back 
ends that make it easy to use various map sources including OSM. I guess 
I should stop talking about it and start coding.

Jim






From b0ef at esben-stien.name  Mon Dec  8 20:01:49 2008
From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:01:49 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost> (John Lee's message of "Mon,
	8 Dec 2008 00:50:14 +0800")
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
Message-ID: <87skoy7aoy.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>

John Lee <john_lee at openmoko.com> writes:

> opkg is obviously not very efficient, both in memory and in speed

I don't care much about opkg since I use debian, but is there some
rationale for developing a new package management system that I can
read?

-- 
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         http://www. s     t    n m
          irc://irc.  b  -  i  .   e/%23contact
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From damien.thebault at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 18:38:45 2008
From: damien.thebault at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Damien_Th=E9bault?=)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:38:45 +0100
Subject: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
In-Reply-To: <FD648A84-A1C7-4A53-A510-0A1B1D4083C1@quru.com>
References: <FD648A84-A1C7-4A53-A510-0A1B1D4083C1@quru.com>
Message-ID: <9a4a382a0812080938ie4e5286qc6013a56624a13f@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 17:23, Roland Whitehead <roland at quru.com> wrote:
> Yes there are many different distributions out there but what is very
> clearly missing are simple, obvious instructions on how to go from a brick
> to a working device - just a machine that will turn on and off, will ring,
> answer and make calls, not hang and not have buzzing when on a call. After
> that, the user should be left to get on with it but I've completely failed
> to get to that stage despite trying 4 different distributions. I'm really
> talking basic here - if you have a machine that works for you, what
> Bootloader, Kernel and RootFS are you using and where did you get them from?
> What were the core applications that you loaded to make it work, where did
> you get them from and which versions? What were the modifications that you
> made to various settings files. If you have a working machine, could you
> blat it and rebuild it to get to the same position as you are in now? If so,
> would you document your process and share it with us? I don't really care
> which distribution at the moment - I just want one that could claim to work
> that I can then start developing with. I've got my Python books out ready...

I installed QtExtended, previously 4.3, it was the best distribution
back then, and now 4.4 (and I think it's still the best):
The image links are available here:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Images
I took the images from Hypnotize
(see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/035245.html )

qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-rootfs-release-working-with_voip+jabber+gtalk+SystemRingTones.jffs2
from
http://other.lastnetwork.net/OpenMoko/

Then the stable kernel from mwester's
http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels
(maybe it changed)

And... well... that's all.

I used it last weekend because the battery of my old phone was empty.

The good things:
 * SMSes are working
 * Calls to voicemail are working, like a real phone (didn't try a
real call with someone), keep in mind that you can hang up with the
power button if you leave the dialer
 * The phone wakes up when sleeping (when a call comes or a SMS comes)
 * I really like the new handwriting input module, once you know how
to use it in a different
language than english:
 - draw a triangle (lower left -> lower right -> up -> lower left),
choose the lower-left choice to disable word recognition.
 - draw some letters, if it doesn't recognize it, try the next one
with the good gesture (lower-left -> upper right -> lower left) or
choose from the list (double clockwise circle)(this is most useful for
letters with accents)
 - insert special characters (double counter-clockwise circle)
Some characters (like "t" or "x" are a little hard to draw, but skill
improves over time, I'm now even capable of drawing an "i" instead of
"l" when I want to)

The bad things:
 * I get SMSes more than one time in the inbox, and there's problems
with SMSes in the trash
 * Sometimes it's acting weirdly and I have to restart QtExtended
(it's faster than just rebooting), and sometimes the phone think it's
charging when it's not even plugged in (so it doesn't sleep...)
 * There's the buzz issue with the wired headset

The "I don't like" things:
 * I don't really like the "kinetic" scrolling
 * Using a word file in my language would allow me to use the
handwriting more successfully
 * I think that my SD card (the one that came with the phone) is
broken, the phone can't recognize it, my laptop can't either, and if
it's plugged in, the SIM doesn't work

The "more than just a phone" things:
 * I don't really like the music player
 * The GPS doesn't work
 * I was not able to configure GPRS and MMS

I'm back to my old phone now, but for me it's definitively improving,
I'm waiting for 4.4.3/4.4.4.

Regards,
-- 
Damien Thebault



From damien.thebault at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 18:50:08 2008
From: damien.thebault at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Damien_Th=E9bault?=)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:50:08 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <1228723308226-1628198.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
	<200812071956.23776.bundeshund@yahoo.de>
	<1228677880759-1626131.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00812071211o6862af19ha048e636b26fb2ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228723308226-1628198.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <9a4a382a0812080950r1147133dob5bf0c4a031caa98@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 09:01, Christoph Siegenthaler <csi at gmx.ch> wrote:
> - Does someone know a way to turn of "word prediction" in the handwriting
> input style?

Like I wrote in an earlier email, draw the following triangle:
bottom-left -> bottom-right -> top -> bottom-left
And choose the "abc" (lower-left) button.

Have fun,
-- 
Damien Thebault



From bastian.muck at gmx.de  Mon Dec  8 19:31:11 2008
From: bastian.muck at gmx.de (Bastian Muck)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:31:11 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <1228723308226-1628198.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>	<200812071956.23776.bundeshund@yahoo.de>	<1228677880759-1626131.post@n2.nabble.com>	<b66a83e00812071211o6862af19ha048e636b26fb2ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228723308226-1628198.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <493D67EF.5000703@gmx.de>

Christoph Siegenthaler schrieb:
> Hey!
>
> I gave QTExtended 4.4.2 another go and you were right. It really is the
best
> option to use the FR as a basic phone atm. I'm not sure why I didn't
like it
> after flashing it the first time. I think I had some issues with
suspending.
> Haven't had any problems with it so far, using the om-testing kernel.
>
> The echo isn't so bad either, but still there. I haven't tried to tweak the
> state-files yet. Addressbook and Calender work too. Some other first
> impressions:
> - Timezone isn't set after one changes it in the initial setup
> - Alarm doesn't ring when phone is suspended
> - Does someone know a way to turn of "word prediction" in the handwriting
> input style?
>
I don't really know how to deactivate the wordprediction, but I am
very happy to use it with a german wordlist. (I guess, that you come
from germany cause of your name.) Give it a try. If you don't know
where to get just write.

> Best regards, Chris
>
> 
>
>
>
> Warren Baird wrote:
>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Christoph Siegenthaler <csi at gmx.ch> wrote:
>>
>>> Slowly but steadily my enthusiasm for the FR is vanishing. I was at least
>>> hoping to be able to use my freerunner as a basic phone after 5 months...
>>>
>>>
>> Sorry if I'm repeating myself here - but try QTExtended 4.4.2 - it's not
>> perfect, and I do miss having all of the funky X based software from the
>> OM2008 based stacks, but as a basic phone, it works quite well, and I get
>> 36-48 hour battery life...
>>
>> Warren
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>>
>





From cmd at gmx.net  Mon Dec  8 20:18:11 2008
From: cmd at gmx.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Clemens_D=F6rrh=F6fer?=)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:18:11 +0100
Subject: Call history
In-Reply-To: <493D3E1D.60606@gmx.net>
References: <493D3E1D.60606@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <493D72F3.60003@gmx.net>

Clemens D?rrh?fer wrote:
> I am using Om2008.8 and my call history does not record the timestamp, 
> when that "callevent" was. Does anybody know how I can fix it?
> 
> By the way is it possible to alter the look of the contact detail view?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
I have solved the problem by flushing the 2008.9 rootfs. For now the 
timestamp gets recorded. In case I run into the problem again and I find 
out why this happens I will contact bug report.

But still. Does anyone know how to change the look of the detail view?



From cyberfrag at gmx.net  Mon Dec  8 20:59:13 2008
From: cyberfrag at gmx.net (Andreas "Cyberfrag" Fischer)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:59:13 +0100
Subject: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
In-Reply-To: <FD648A84-A1C7-4A53-A510-0A1B1D4083C1@quru.com>
References: <FD648A84-A1C7-4A53-A510-0A1B1D4083C1@quru.com>
Message-ID: <493D7C91.9000905@gmx.net>

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Hi Roland,

Since I was the one claiming that WSOD was gone, I'm gonna answer that.
As you should know if you skimmed through the list, there seem to be
several different hardware revisions of the Freerunner, all of which
have subtle differences with regard to hardware. For example some people
seem to never have gotten a WSOD, while for me (up to this weekend) it
was a 9 out of 10 chance that my phone would give me the WSOD on a
suspend/resume cycle. Also, I understand that other issues like the echo
are partly influenced by environmental issues (like what provider you
are using).

Am I able to tell you how to get a fully functional phone? No. It
depends on your specific scenario. However, I can tell you how I got to
the point where I am now - at a level where I (as a user who is not
dependent on his mobile phone) can more or less reasonably use my phone
without it being a brick.

The process I followed was (as far as I remember - this took me ~3
months after all): Flash OM2008.9 (along with provided kernel and
bootloader), install illume-config and illume-config-illume, update to
testing branch, deactivate auto-screen blank/suspend, update to newest
kernel. I'm not sure, whether I modified the alsa state file after
flashing OM2008.9, but since echo is not gone yet this should not make a
difference.
To shorten the process, you'd probably be at the same state if you just
flash the newest testing images.

This gives me at least:
- - Working calls, incoming and outgoing. Other party hears noticeable
echo of his/her own voice. Call quality on my side is good, though.
- - Working SMS, sending and receiving
- - Working GPS (used it several times for navigation already - very
useful in Venice for example)
- - Working suspend - no WSOD, phone wakes up on incoming calls.
- - (Probably) working WLAN (finds APs just fine, I think I connected once
to my own AP, but I'm using USB networking usually)
- - Unreliable accelerometers - they seem to crash sometimes. Didn't check
for some time, though - this may have changed.

Unconfirmed (because I don't use it at the moment):
- - Bluetooth
- - USB Host mode
- - GPRS
- - Headset
- - Provider service numbers (reportedly, these seem to cause problems)

Remaining nuisances:
- - I've been told that the echo on a call is very irritating for the
other party.
- - I want Raster's keyboard back :)

Apart from the echo, this is already way more than what my (very old)
Nokia phone could do. And with WSOD gone, 24h of battery time should be
easy to reach. I'd suppose that even 48h might be possible without problems.

Hope that gives you an overview of the situation.

Regards,
Andreas

Am 08.12.2008 17:23, Roland Whitehead schrieb:
> I, like a great many others I suspect, have a NeoFreerunner doing its
> best impression of a brick on the shelf because I just don't have the
> time to get it to the point where it works as a phone before I start
> doing what I got it for - developing additional software. Monitoring
> these lists and the wiki periodically produces an impetus for dusting it
> off and giving it another go (like this past week-end's claim that WSOD
> was gone) before reality sinks home and either the Neo white screens or
> my trusty Mac grey screens.
> 
> Yes there are many different distributions out there but what is very
> clearly missing are simple, obvious instructions on how to go from a
> brick to a working device - just a machine that will turn on and off,
> will ring, answer and make calls, not hang and not have buzzing when on
> a call. After that, the user should be left to get on with it but I've
> completely failed to get to that stage despite trying 4 different
> distributions. I'm really talking basic here - if you have a machine
> that works for you, what Bootloader, Kernel and RootFS are you using and
> where did you get them from? What were the core applications that you
> loaded to make it work, where did you get them from and which versions?
> What were the modifications that you made to various settings files. If
> you have a working machine, could you blat it and rebuild it to get to
> the same position as you are in now? If so, would you document your
> process and share it with us? I don't really care which distribution at
> the moment - I just want one that could claim to work that I can then
> start developing with. I've got my Python books out ready...
> 
> I have searched high and low through the wiki and list archives for over
> a month with no joy. If I've missed something blindingly obvious then
> perhaps you'd point me in the right direction. I guess the issue is that
> I'm neither a hardware hacker nor a kernel hacker but an application
> hacker - I'm certainly not an "end user" in the normal mobile phone
> sense but I still can't get anywhere.
> 
> The temptation is just to say "oh well, I'll just leave it and go and
> play with Android or get an iPhone" but that is not what I got onto this
> for...
> 
> 
> Roland
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

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From rui.castro at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 21:02:43 2008
From: rui.castro at gmail.com (Rui Castro)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:02:43 +0000
Subject: [OM kernel newbie] Error building kernel
In-Reply-To: <493CF784.2050106@openmoko.com>
References: <ca542f150812071616l55806208lf1e53a89ac6c48e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<493CF784.2050106@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <ca542f150812081202wb1dd87bga90017b015e966b7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I think I found out my problems.
First it was a "bashism" like Asheesh pointed out. Thanks Asheesh.

After this I started to see another error with parenthesis
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
/bin/sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `('
/bin/sh: -c: line 0: `echo 2.6.24-(no_fb42ce6724576fc1-mokodev >
include/config/kernel.release'
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

which was related with Andy said about not having a branch. the "(no"
was from the output of git branch
----------------------
* (no branch)
master
...
----------------------

I did "git checkout -b origin/my-andy-tracking --track origin/andy-tracking".
So, I created a local branch "origin/my-andy-tracking" and after that
./build compiled ok.

I don't know if there's a way to do this without creating a local branch.

Thanks Asheesh and Andy,
Rui

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Andy Green <andy at openmoko.com> wrote:
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> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> | Hi,
> |
> | I've been trying to compile openmoko kernel and I can't even start
> | because of this dummy error:
> |
> -
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> | $ ./build dummy
> | scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig
> |
> | scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/arm/Kconfig
> |   CHK     include/linux/version.h
> | /bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
>
> This is coming out of not having a branch initialized in git I think
> you'll find.
>
> Try
>
> git branch
>
> in that dir and you'll see some error in parenthesis.
>
> - -Andy
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From s at flymw.de  Mon Dec  8 19:28:32 2008
From: s at flymw.de (Markus Wachenheim)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:28:32 +0100
Subject: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
In-Reply-To: <9a4a382a0812080938ie4e5286qc6013a56624a13f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FD648A84-A1C7-4A53-A510-0A1B1D4083C1@quru.com>
	<9a4a382a0812080938ie4e5286qc6013a56624a13f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228760912.16772.40.camel@mw-vaio>

Hello Roland, you already have a good and detailed answer from Damien
which makes very much sense. Depending on what you exactly want I anyway
have some alternatives for you:

SHR Works perfectly with me. Is not as "fancy" as QTextended but just my
personal feeling is that is is more stable in the core functions:
	- making and receiving calls and SMS I had absolutely no issues (but I
guess that differs a lot on what phone provider you use - Vodafone
Germany with me), as mentioned the application is very simple so you use
the SIM memory for contacts and SMS and you can only delete 1 SMS at a
time etc.
	wifi connection to WPA2 protected WLAN works fine together with using
the DNS of my router without any extra settings
	Suspend works but I think the battery still does not keep for too long
(1 day???) but I never really took note of that so I might be completely
wrong about battery life

so you might just want to try this out and see if that suits your needs,
more information here: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Get%20Started

 On my GTA02 v5 I am using this uImage:
http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/uImage-2.6.24+r10
+gitr6e2a723ef54ee2e739c34786981b2c508db803c1-r10-om-gta02.bin
and this rootfs:
http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2


And in addition I run Debian on my SD card which really gives you a lot
of options and runs stable with the FSO phone stack that it comes with.
You can expect exactly the same phone functionality as on SHR. But
Debian is for the fun and possibilities and loads of programs - if you
don't need that and don't want to bother configuring Debian to your
liking you don't have to read on!


Good instructions I used to install Debian on my SD card (you need an
SD card, recommended min 1GB!) as the distribution is very large are in
the Debian wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner 
In addition to those instructions I had to change one setting to prevent the GSM from constantly going on and off: I had to change the /etc/frameworkd.conf file under the ogsmd section to ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never (and only if you want to play around you can have a look at the tweaks at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#Time like how to set the time)

Hope this helps you enjoying you phone freedom as I am and does not make that confusing amount of choice agein

Markus

 Am Montag, den 08.12.2008, 18:38 +0100 schrieb Damien Th?bault:
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 17:23, Roland Whitehead <roland at quru.com> wrote:
> > Yes there are many different distributions out there but what is very
> > clearly missing are simple, obvious instructions on how to go from a brick
> > to a working device - just a machine that will turn on and off, will ring,
> > answer and make calls, not hang and not have buzzing when on a call. After
> > that, the user should be left to get on with it but I've completely failed
> > to get to that stage despite trying 4 different distributions. I'm really
> > talking basic here - if you have a machine that works for you, what
> > Bootloader, Kernel and RootFS are you using and where did you get them from?
> > What were the core applications that you loaded to make it work, where did
> > you get them from and which versions? What were the modifications that you
> > made to various settings files. If you have a working machine, could you
> > blat it and rebuild it to get to the same position as you are in now? If so,
> > would you document your process and share it with us? I don't really care
> > which distribution at the moment - I just want one that could claim to work
> > that I can then start developing with. I've got my Python books out ready...
> 
> I installed QtExtended, previously 4.3, it was the best distribution
> back then, and now 4.4 (and I think it's still the best):
> The image links are available here:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Images
> I took the images from Hypnotize
> (see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/035245.html )
> 
> qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-rootfs-release-working-with_voip+jabber+gtalk+SystemRingTones.jffs2
> from
> http://other.lastnetwork.net/OpenMoko/
> 
> Then the stable kernel from mwester's
> http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels
> (maybe it changed)
> 
> And... well... that's all.
> 
> I used it last weekend because the battery of my old phone was empty.
> 
> The good things:
>  * SMSes are working
>  * Calls to voicemail are working, like a real phone (didn't try a
> real call with someone), keep in mind that you can hang up with the
> power button if you leave the dialer
>  * The phone wakes up when sleeping (when a call comes or a SMS comes)
>  * I really like the new handwriting input module, once you know how
> to use it in a different
> language than english:
>  - draw a triangle (lower left -> lower right -> up -> lower left),
> choose the lower-left choice to disable word recognition.
>  - draw some letters, if it doesn't recognize it, try the next one
> with the good gesture (lower-left -> upper right -> lower left) or
> choose from the list (double clockwise circle)(this is most useful for
> letters with accents)
>  - insert special characters (double counter-clockwise circle)
> Some characters (like "t" or "x" are a little hard to draw, but skill
> improves over time, I'm now even capable of drawing an "i" instead of
> "l" when I want to)
> 
> The bad things:
>  * I get SMSes more than one time in the inbox, and there's problems
> with SMSes in the trash
>  * Sometimes it's acting weirdly and I have to restart QtExtended
> (it's faster than just rebooting), and sometimes the phone think it's
> charging when it's not even plugged in (so it doesn't sleep...)
>  * There's the buzz issue with the wired headset
> 
> The "I don't like" things:
>  * I don't really like the "kinetic" scrolling
>  * Using a word file in my language would allow me to use the
> handwriting more successfully
>  * I think that my SD card (the one that came with the phone) is
> broken, the phone can't recognize it, my laptop can't either, and if
> it's plugged in, the SIM doesn't work
> 
> The "more than just a phone" things:
>  * I don't really like the music player
>  * The GPS doesn't work
>  * I was not able to configure GPRS and MMS
> 
> I'm back to my old phone now, but for me it's definitively improving,
> I'm waiting for 4.4.3/4.4.4.
> 
> Regards,




From hy_kari at gmx.ch  Mon Dec  8 21:32:25 2008
From: hy_kari at gmx.ch (hy_kari at gmx.ch)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:32:25 +0100
Subject: messed everything mixing repositories?
In-Reply-To: <op.ult9dcum41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <20081207200044.93730@gmx.net>
	<op.ult9dcum41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <20081208203225.249110@gmx.net>

i've just noticed that, sorry.. i can find lots of images, just 2007.2 not. sad because it was working for me and i like it a lot more than the newer, slower and battery hungry 2008.10. i've seen non official images here: 
http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ and here: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ i can choose between the 
"underground" series or "dev" among others, just not the f*** image that came with the neo preinstalled (lots of
dead links on the wiki). or i could try android -would be cool but probably slow and with missing features-. or 
debian, now that i'm happy not using it on my workstation anymore. excuse my frustration, the last thing i want 
is to start a flamewar. i just want a phone that makes calls and if possible that plays music, but do not have time 
to hack on it every day. there is a lot of information here, a bunch of distributions, each one with different
repositories and different bugs. i'm seeing that this is too complicated and i think 'll sell my 3 day old neo on 
ebay and wait 5 or 10 years before i buy a linux phone again because i really don't know what to do with it 
now that i can't restore what i've broken. i have linux on my desktop and that's the most important thing. next 
time i want to support a project like this one i'll just make a donation and wait until it's so fucking easy to use 
that i can give one to my grandma for christmas. well, that's a bit exaggerated but there is a limit, and if you
don't have enough time to hack on the device as it's needed to have it working, it's just as useless as a 
windows box in a linux convention






-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:13:50 +0100
> Von: "arne anka" <openmoko at ginguppin.de>
> An: "List for Openmoko community discussion" <community at lists.openmoko.org>
> Betreff: Re: messed everything mixing repositories?

> please, prefix the subject with your distribution!
> it's not only a matter of politeness but, with the plethora of  
> distributions available, a pure necessity to help people to help you!
> 
> if you're still using 2007.2 flash something more recent -- 2007.2 is
> dead.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

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From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Mon Dec  8 21:33:42 2008
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:33:42 +0000
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <87skoy7aoy.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
	<87skoy7aoy.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
Message-ID: <200812082033.42848.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Monday 08 December 2008, Esben Stien wrote:
> John Lee <john_lee at openmoko.com> writes:
> > opkg is obviously not very efficient, both in memory and in speed
>
> I don't care much about opkg since I use debian, but is there some
> rationale for developing a new package management system that I can
> read?

It's not exactly new. ipkg was developed for linux on iPaq because dpkg/apt 
was thought to be too resource hungry for such a constrained device. If you 
look at the workarounds applied to fit debian into NAND on the Freerunner you 
will see why. Purging package metadata comes just after purging unnecessary 
locales in the space saving measures. opkg is a contnuation of ipkg which 
IIRC stopped being maintained.



From hy_kari at gmx.ch  Mon Dec  8 22:30:05 2008
From: hy_kari at gmx.ch (hy_kari at gmx.ch)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:30:05 +0100
Subject: 2007.2 image - where can i find the same image that ships with the neo
	freerunner?
Message-ID: <20081208213005.157900@gmx.net>

hi all, does anyone know where to find the same image that ships with neo freerunner, that is, the 2007.2 version. i know it is outdated, and i know there are some(millions) images here: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/   and here: buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ . 
but i'm not looking for "devel", "monster" or the "underground" images, i just want the same image that ships with the new phone

thanks



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From xbmodder+openmoko at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 23:24:27 2008
From: xbmodder+openmoko at gmail.com (Sargun Dhillon)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:24:27 -0800
Subject: Any progress on the Telit UC864 3.5G modem?
In-Reply-To: <a6af4cea0812081358i6af0049cye5ee9c698d4b759a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6af4cea0812081358i6af0049cye5ee9c698d4b759a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c9d57ea0812081424i50ad66b0h1222a76e0bbf09d5@mail.gmail.com>

This is one of those modular devices, correct? Does this mean there is
a chance of being able to swap in a CDMA module?

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Justyn Butler
<justynbutler+openmoko at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It's been quite a while since the MokoForesight page was updated, so I
> was wondering whether any more research went into the Telit UC864G
> modem (3.5G with integrated GPS).
>
> On the MokoForesight page it says:
>
> "Detailed documentation on Web. Can get even more documentation from reseller."
> "First impression is good. UC864G includes all known bands and GPS
> receiver (saves more space & complications)."
>
> Which all sounded quite promising. Did it turn out to be a dead end?
>
> Regards, Justyn.
>
> _______________________________________________
> devel mailing list
> devel at lists.openmoko.org
> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
>



From rusolis at poczta.fm  Mon Dec  8 23:42:19 2008
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=3F_Brzozowski?=)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:42:19 +0100
Subject: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
In-Reply-To: <9a4a382a0812080938ie4e5286qc6013a56624a13f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FD648A84-A1C7-4A53-A510-0A1B1D4083C1@quru.com>
	<9a4a382a0812080938ie4e5286qc6013a56624a13f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493DA2CB.8080007@poczta.fm>

Damien Th?bault wrote:
> The bad things:
>  * I get SMSes more than one time in the inbox, and there's problems
> with SMSes in the trash
>   
Yeah, what's the problem with duplicate messages?  I've seen it both in 
om2008 and in qtextended.  Some kind of database problem?  If not this, 
qtextended would be almost usable (if only it had a terminal emulator 
:-))...


----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Pobierz >> http://link.interia.pl/f1fc9




From nlaurance at zindep.com  Tue Dec  9 00:31:19 2008
From: nlaurance at zindep.com (Nicolas LAURANCE)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:31:19 +0100
Subject: geocaching with tangoGPS on FR
Message-ID: <493DAE47.2020006@zindep.com>

Hi freephone users,

I wrote a little python script that will inject geocaching positions 
into tangoGPS, so that you can use your freephone to locate the caches 
you select.

You'll find screenshots, instructions and download at :
http://www.zindep.com/blog-zindep/geocaching_tangogps

I hope it can be of some use

Nicolas


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From billk at iinet.net.au  Tue Dec  9 03:19:27 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (W.Kenworthy)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:19:27 +0900
Subject: perl for OM
In-Reply-To: <1228743016.7018.43.camel@aquilonia>
References: <493D1F14.9090001@gmail.com> <1228743016.7018.43.camel@aquilonia>
Message-ID: <1228789167.18532.57.camel@bunyip.localdomain>

"opkg list|grep perl"

"opkg install perl"

BillK

On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 13:30 +0000, Graeme Gregory wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 16:20 +0300, Ivan Shirokoff wrote:
> > Hello. Has anyone managed to compile perl for FR?
> > 
> 
> Yes it successfully compiles in OE, so if you log a feature request bug
> and request it get added to official feeds it should become available.
> 
> Graeme
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community




From john_lee at openmoko.com  Tue Dec  9 04:44:34 2008
From: john_lee at openmoko.com (John Lee)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:44:34 +0800
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <1228734963.15300.1.camel@skunk>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
	<200812071956.23776.bundeshund@yahoo.de>
	<1228677880759-1626131.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1228734963.15300.1.camel@skunk>
Message-ID: <20081209034433.GC4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>

On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 12:16:03PM +0100, Xavier Bestel wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 11:24 -0800, Christoph Siegenthaler wrote:
> > I've been testing todays openmoko-testing-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 together
> > with testing-om-gta02-20081207.uImage.bin after following the ML without
> > actually flashing my freerunner a lot (for a few weeks).
> 
> BTW I just tested these images too, and I have no wifi (i.e. the
> settings allow to turn on GPS and Bluetooth, buth there's no more a WIFI
> entry). Is that expected ?
> 
> 	Xav

yes.  please refer to

https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2003


- John



From billk at iinet.net.au  Tue Dec  9 05:08:05 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (W.Kenworthy)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:08:05 +0900
Subject: 2008.testing (2008.9 upgraded) - "Settings" not running
Message-ID: <1228795685.18532.62.camel@bunyip.localdomain>

I am using 2008.testing (2008.9 upgraded) and the Settings app wont
start - same if I run "exposure.py" in a terminal, and no debug is
printed.  A "ps aux" shows exposure running, but no window appears and
the command line returns without printing anything.

Is there a way to debug python apps and see where its going wrong?

BillK






From madhatter at teaparty.net  Tue Dec  9 08:35:11 2008
From: madhatter at teaparty.net (Tom Yates)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:35:11 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
In-Reply-To: <FD648A84-A1C7-4A53-A510-0A1B1D4083C1@quru.com>
References: <FD648A84-A1C7-4A53-A510-0A1B1D4083C1@quru.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812090731200.3328@risby.home.teaparty.net>

On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Roland Whitehead wrote:

> Yes there are many different distributions out there but what is very 
> clearly missing are simple, obvious instructions on how to go from a 
> brick to a working device - just a machine that will turn on and off, 
> will ring, answer and make calls, not hang and not have buzzing when on 
> a call.

modulo the buzzing, which i never had and cannot therefore say how to get 
rid of, my OM running 2008.09 does all that.  it's my day-to-day business 
and personal phone.

full instructions, including the version of images i'm booting from and 
what i've done to fix each of the problems, are at 
http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html .

> If you have a working machine, could you blat it and rebuild it to get 
> to the same position as you are in now?

yes, i've done so twice, that's what the instructions are for.  but 
hopefully they'll be of some use to you, too!


-- 

       Tom Yates  -  http://www.teaparty.net



From chris at csamuel.org  Tue Dec  9 08:49:24 2008
From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:49:24 +1100
Subject: [QtExtended] Duplicate SMS's (was Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a
	phone)
In-Reply-To: <493DA2CB.8080007@poczta.fm>
References: <FD648A84-A1C7-4A53-A510-0A1B1D4083C1@quru.com>
	<9a4a382a0812080938ie4e5286qc6013a56624a13f@mail.gmail.com>
	<493DA2CB.8080007@poczta.fm>
Message-ID: <200812091849.27346.chris@csamuel.org>

On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 9:42:19 am Micha? Brzozowski wrote:

> Yeah, what's the problem with duplicate messages

It appears to happen on mine if I have a stuck message in my Trash (i.e. one I
can't delete) and there are others in my Inbox or Trash.

It does appear to be a database error, certainly when I try and delete the
stuck message it logs the following errors:

Dec  9 18:47:27 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Messaging :  ( 3651 ) Failed to execute query; error:"constraint failed Unable to fetch 
row"; statement:"INSERT INTO deletedmessages (id,parentaccountid,serveruid,frommailbox) VALUES (?,?,?,?)"
Dec  9 18:47:27 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Failed to execute query; error:"constraint failed Unable to fetch row"; 
statement:"INSERT INTO deletedmessages (id,parentaccountid,serveruid,frommailbox) VALUES (?,?,?,?)"
Dec  9 18:47:27 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Messaging :  Could not execute query "deleteMessages insert removal records query"
Dec  9 18:47:27 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Messaging :  3651 Unable to removeMessages - code: 19

Very odd!
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From chris at csamuel.org  Tue Dec  9 08:51:27 2008
From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:51:27 +1100
Subject: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 4:38:45 am Damien Th?bault wrote:

> ?* The GPS doesn't work

Odd, it does on mine (QT 4.4.2), just need to give it enough time to get a 
lock though.

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From joop_boonen at web.de  Tue Dec  9 09:20:52 2008
From: joop_boonen at web.de (Joop Boonen)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:20:52 +0100 (CET)
Subject: qemu patch for gcc 4 doesn't work anymore
Message-ID: <8582f3a76d39edd2f93ff455f88021e7.squirrel@www.boonen.name>

All,

I have a question about the gcc 4 patch for qemu.

If I follow the build instructions for qemu:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu
I cant patch the qemu for gcc4.

Regards,

Joop Boonen.







From liedekef at telenet.be  Tue Dec  9 09:26:22 2008
From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:26:22 +0100
Subject: [QtExtended] Duplicate SMS's (was Re: Newbie: Converting a brick
	to a phone)
In-Reply-To: <200812091849.27346.chris@csamuel.org>
References: <FD648A84-A1C7-4A53-A510-0A1B1D4083C1@quru.com>
	<9a4a382a0812080938ie4e5286qc6013a56624a13f@mail.gmail.com>
	<493DA2CB.8080007@poczta.fm> <200812091849.27346.chris@csamuel.org>
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On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Chris Samuel <chris at csamuel.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 9:42:19 am Micha? Brzozowski wrote:
>
> > Yeah, what's the problem with duplicate messages
>
> It appears to happen on mine if I have a stuck message in my Trash (i.e.
> one I
> can't delete) and there are others in my Inbox or Trash.
>

<snip>

whatever the reason, it has been known since a couple of hours after the
release, but more than a month later: no fix yet. It makes sms's rather
useless: after 1 day of usage, I had 30 double sms's ...

Franky
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From gunnar.grimnes at dfki.de  Tue Dec  9 09:27:23 2008
From: gunnar.grimnes at dfki.de (Gunnar AAstrand Grimnes)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:27:23 +0100
Subject: 2008.testing (2008.9 upgraded) - "Settings" not running
In-Reply-To: <1228795685.18532.62.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
References: <1228795685.18532.62.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
Message-ID: <493E2BEB.5080806@dfki.de>

The problem is probably broken python-ekt bindings, the upgrade path
from 2008.08 to testing is (was?) broken.
See https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2127

for a fix and more explanation.

- Gunnar

W.Kenworthy wrote:
> I am using 2008.testing (2008.9 upgraded) and the Settings app wont
> start - same if I run "exposure.py" in a terminal, and no debug is
> printed.  A "ps aux" shows exposure running, but no window appears and
> the command line returns without printing anything.
> 
> Is there a way to debug python apps and see where its going wrong?
> 
> BillK
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From kazer at altern.org  Tue Dec  9 09:46:09 2008
From: kazer at altern.org (KaZeR)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:46:09 +0100
Subject: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
In-Reply-To: <9a4a382a0812080938ie4e5286qc6013a56624a13f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FD648A84-A1C7-4A53-A510-0A1B1D4083C1@quru.com>
	<9a4a382a0812080938ie4e5286qc6013a56624a13f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006201c959da$95c136a0$3f29160a@siv.ad.sncf.fr>

Hi everyone.
I've used QTExtended quite a lot, here's my two cents :


>  * Calls to voicemail are working, like a real phone (didn't 
> try a real call with someone), keep in mind that you can hang 
> up with the power button if you leave the dialer

Thanks for this tip, i often hit 'back' instead of 'End' so i go back to the
home menu with the phone call still active..

>  * The phone wakes up when sleeping (when a call comes or a SMS comes)
>  * I really like the new handwriting input module, once you 
> know how to use it in a different language than english:
>  - draw a triangle (lower left -> lower right -> up -> lower 
> left), choose the lower-left choice to disable word recognition.
>  - draw some letters, if it doesn't recognize it, try the 
> next one with the good gesture (lower-left -> upper right -> 
> lower left) or choose from the list (double clockwise 
> circle)(this is most useful for letters with accents)
>  - insert special characters (double counter-clockwise 
> circle) Some characters (like "t" or "x" are a little hard to 
> draw, but skill improves over time, I'm now even capable of 
> drawing an "i" instead of "l" when I want to)

I learned the gesture from the settings/handwriting menu, because there was
a few letters that i couldn't guess how to draw.
I have to say that it's really efficient once you get used to it.

> 
> The bad things:
>  * I get SMSes more than one time in the inbox, and there's 
> problems with SMSes in the trash
>  * Sometimes it's acting weirdly and I have to restart 
> QtExtended (it's faster than just rebooting), and sometimes 
> the phone think it's charging when it's not even plugged in 
> (so it doesn't sleep...)

This charging status bug is probably the biggest showstopper currently : if
you poweroff your phone or restart it, it won't be able to go into sleep
mode until you have plugged it once.. And your battery will die quite fast.

> The "I don't like" things:
>  * I don't really like the "kinetic" scrolling

The idea behind is very neat (it's more natural) but it's a bit too slow to
be actually useable

>  * Using a word file in my language would allow me to use the handwriting
more successfully
Given your name, i suspect that you are french. Have a look here : 

http://openmoko-fr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=181

For non-french readers,

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#Installing_the_words.dawg_file


>  * I think that my SD card (the one that came with the phone) 
> is broken, the phone can't recognize it, my laptop can't 
> either, and if it's plugged in, the SIM doesn't work
> 
> The "more than just a phone" things:
>  * I don't really like the music player
>  * The GPS doesn't work

>  * I was not able to configure GPRS and MMS
I was able to configure gprs, and opkg update throught it.
Quick steps : configure from the settings/internet gui.
Then you need to correct the link /etc/resolv.conf, which points to
/etc/ppp/resolv.conf (erroneus).
Change it to -> /var/ppp/resolv.conf (grep in /etc/ppp to find the script
which makes the link) and you should be fine).
I also had to change the phone number in the ppp config file (you can't
change it from the gui).
Last tip, if your phone provider doesn't need a login/password, put '*' in
each field.

About mms : i had a talk with Lorn, and in fact there is currently no wap
browser. So, no mms.

> 
> I'm back to my old phone now, but for me it's definitively 
> improving, I'm waiting for 4.4.3/4.4.4.

+1




From kazer at altern.org  Tue Dec  9 09:51:29 2008
From: kazer at altern.org (KaZeR)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:51:29 +0100
Subject: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
In-Reply-To: <1228760912.16772.40.camel@mw-vaio>
References: <FD648A84-A1C7-4A53-A510-0A1B1D4083C1@quru.com><9a4a382a0812080938ie4e5286qc6013a56624a13f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1228760912.16772.40.camel@mw-vaio>
Message-ID: <006301c959db$53d8b230$3f29160a@siv.ad.sncf.fr>

 

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org 
> [mailto:community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org] De la part de 
> Markus Wachenheim

> SHR Works perfectly with me.

I tested SHR yesterday. It gives a very good impression : the gui is very
slick (especially when you like E) but i had no sound at all.. Am i the only
one? No ringtone, no sound when tring to call my voice mail, no alarm..




From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Tue Dec  9 09:57:13 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:57:13 +0100
Subject: messed everything mixing repositories?
In-Reply-To: <20081208203225.249110@gmx.net>
References: <20081207200044.93730@gmx.net>
	<op.ult9dcum41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<20081208203225.249110@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <op.ulv0hntj41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

> i've seen non official images here:
> http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/

there are no recent images or updates for 2007.2! it's plain dead.
use anything else (2008.X, shr, debian, android, qtopia).



From xavier.bestel at free.fr  Tue Dec  9 10:14:42 2008
From: xavier.bestel at free.fr (Xavier Bestel)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:14:42 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <20081209034433.GC4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
	<200812071956.23776.bundeshund@yahoo.de>
	<1228677880759-1626131.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1228734963.15300.1.camel@skunk>
	<20081209034433.GC4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <1228814082.15300.7.camel@skunk>

On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 11:44 +0800, John Lee wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 12:16:03PM +0100, Xavier Bestel wrote:
> > On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 11:24 -0800, Christoph Siegenthaler wrote:
> > > I've been testing todays openmoko-testing-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 together
> > > with testing-om-gta02-20081207.uImage.bin after following the ML without
> > > actually flashing my freerunner a lot (for a few weeks).
> > 
> > BTW I just tested these images too, and I have no wifi (i.e. the
> > settings allow to turn on GPS and Bluetooth, buth there's no more a WIFI
> > entry). Is that expected ?
> > 
> > 	Xav
> 
> yes.  please refer to
> 
> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2003

Mmh .. the ticket reads:
Summary: 
Please take out suspend time "10 sec." 
So we only left 30 seconds, 60 seconds and Off.
Let's but this in Milestone Om2008.10.

I couldn't find an equivalent ticket in trac.

	Xav





From kazer at altern.org  Tue Dec  9 10:47:27 2008
From: kazer at altern.org (KaZeR)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:47:27 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <1228814082.15300.7.camel@skunk>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost><200812071956.23776.bundeshund@yahoo.de><1228677880759-1626131.post@n2.nabble.com><1228734963.15300.1.camel@skunk><20081209034433.GC4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
	<1228814082.15300.7.camel@skunk>
Message-ID: <009801c959e3$25af1810$3f29160a@siv.ad.sncf.fr>

 

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org 
> [mailto:community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org] De la part de 
> Xavier Bestel
> Envoy? : mardi 9 d?cembre 2008 10:15
> ? : List for Openmoko community discussion
> Objet : Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
> 
> On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 11:44 +0800, John Lee wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 12:16:03PM +0100, Xavier Bestel wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 11:24 -0800, Christoph Siegenthaler wrote:
> > > > I've been testing todays openmoko-testing-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 
> > > > together with testing-om-gta02-20081207.uImage.bin 
> after following 
> > > > the ML without actually flashing my freerunner a lot 
> (for a few weeks).
> > > 
> > > BTW I just tested these images too, and I have no wifi (i.e. the 
> > > settings allow to turn on GPS and Bluetooth, buth there's 
> no more a 
> > > WIFI entry). Is that expected ?
> > > 
> > > 	Xav
> > 
> > yes.  please refer to
> > 
> > https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2003
> 
> Mmh .. the ticket reads:
> Summary: 
> Please take out suspend time "10 sec." 
> So we only left 30 seconds, 60 seconds and Off.
> Let's but this in Milestone Om2008.10.
> 
> I couldn't find an equivalent ticket in trac.
> 

In the first comment : 

commit log: disable wifi frontend (backend currently broken)

;)





From chris at csamuel.org  Tue Dec  9 11:06:02 2008
From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:06:02 +1100
Subject: [QtExtended] Duplicate SMS's (was Re: Newbie: Converting a brick
	to a phone)
In-Reply-To: <60567dcc0812090026n52e5d735o3b86d26071904d11@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FD648A84-A1C7-4A53-A510-0A1B1D4083C1@quru.com>
	<200812091849.27346.chris@csamuel.org>
	<60567dcc0812090026n52e5d735o3b86d26071904d11@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812092106.04962.chris@csamuel.org>

On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 7:26:22 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:

> whatever the reason, it has been known since a couple of hours after the
> release, but more than a month later: no fix yet. It makes sms's rather
> useless: after 1 day of usage, I had 30 double sms's ...

I only get the issue if I have undeleted SMS's left on the phone.

Given I'm not a big phone user that's not hard to handle but I can imagine if 
you're doing lots of texting then you'd be in strife. :-(

-- 
 Chris Samuel  :  http://www.csamuel.org/  :  Melbourne, VIC

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From liedekef at telenet.be  Tue Dec  9 11:23:11 2008
From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:23:11 +0100
Subject: [QtExtended] Duplicate SMS's (was Re: Newbie: Converting a brick
	to a phone)
In-Reply-To: <200812092106.04962.chris@csamuel.org>
References: <FD648A84-A1C7-4A53-A510-0A1B1D4083C1@quru.com>
	<200812091849.27346.chris@csamuel.org>
	<60567dcc0812090026n52e5d735o3b86d26071904d11@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Chris Samuel <chris at csamuel.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 7:26:22 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
>
> > whatever the reason, it has been known since a couple of hours after the
> > release, but more than a month later: no fix yet. It makes sms's rather
> > useless: after 1 day of usage, I had 30 double sms's ...
>
> I only get the issue if I have undeleted SMS's left on the phone.
>
> Given I'm not a big phone user that's not hard to handle but I can imagine
> if
> you're doing lots of texting then you'd be in strife. :-(
>

Well, I don't text that much, but every sms gets doubled every time, so 2
becomes 4, 4 becomes 8, etc ... and deleting the sms every time AND cleaning
the trash is a bit too much hassle imho.

For me, shr is the distro to go. The next image will have basic pim, phone
log, etc ... and the alarm works ok (wakes up the phone from suspend). The
upside for qtextended is a reasonable finger-friendly interface and it is
snappy as well. But the snappy-ness becomes less of an advantage, because I
feel the latest shr images respond quickly as well.

Franky
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From sean at mcneil.com  Tue Dec  9 12:47:01 2008
From: sean at mcneil.com (Sean McNeil)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:47:01 +0700
Subject: [android] Unable to read long SMS messages
In-Reply-To: <6294ac990812080814v1efc696bna043d9b952502bf5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6294ac990812080442m90a1ad6sf70a5e94d3e0dfb8@mail.gmail.com>	<493D2D8E.5030100@mcneil.com>
	<6294ac990812080814v1efc696bna043d9b952502bf5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493E5AB5.9090403@mcneil.com>

Thanks for the info. I think I have all of these SMS issues fixed. 
Testing now.

Andy Kilner wrote:
> Ok, I've run a number of tests listening to the output of logcat.
>
> 1) Unsuccessfully sending an SMS message
>
> 2) Successfully receiving a short SMS message containing "Short message"
>
> 3) Unsuccessfully receiving a full SMS message (160 chars)
>
> I'm not sure what the cutoff point is here for the length that can be
> successfully received, I could try a few more and narrow it down.
>
> 4)  And just incase I haven't pissed anyone off enough attaching large
> files I've included the logcat output (not just for radio) when
> attempting to power down the device (which doesn't work and just sits
> there with the spinner until I take the battery out).
>
> Thanks for your help with this, if you can point me in the right
> direction I'll help out as much as I can.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andy
>
> 2008/12/8 Sean McNeil <sean at mcneil.com>
>   
>> Hi Andy,
>>
>> What would be really helpful is to have it plugged into a linux host and
>> run the command
>>
>> ADBHOST=neo ./adb logcat -b radio
>>
>> This assumes you have your host setup to connect usb over ethernet and
>> have neo set to the proper IP.
>>
>> Andy Kilner wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi, I've been using android on my freerunner for a few days now, the
>>> original image and the latest image and both seem to have a problem
>>> displaying SMS messages that go over a few words.
>>>
>>> Has anyone else experienced this problem, or do most of you just avoid
>>> txting?  I'm afraid it's an essential requirement of my phone almost
>>> more so than being able to place and receive calls.
>>>
>>> I've had a quick poke about on the adb shell but
>>> data/data/com.google.android.providers.telephony/databases/sms.db
>>> appears to be empty.  Can anyone point me in the direction of where
>>> SMS's are stored, unfortunately it doesn't look like it's going to be
>>> all that simple.
>>>
>>> The phone also refuses to send SMS messages, if I attempt to do so the
>>> gsm connection is dropped and sometimes it can be a pain in the arse
>>> getting it back.
>>>
>>> All in all though, (IMHO) Android is looking the more promising and
>>> I'd like to stick with it.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
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>>> community at lists.openmoko.org
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>>>       
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From joop_boonen at web.de  Tue Dec  9 13:04:04 2008
From: joop_boonen at web.de (Joop Boonen)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:04:04 +0100 (CET)
Subject: qemu download.sh isn;t ok any more. File names aren't ok
Message-ID: <ff814232d114d5c5216ebc871155f4b2.squirrel@www.boonen.name>

jboonen at centrino:~/work/qemu-openmoko/qemu-neo1973> sh -x
openmoko/download.sh
+ . openmoko/env
+++ pwd
++ src_dir=/home/jboonen/work/qemu-openmoko/qemu-neo1973
++ script_dir_relative=openmoko
++ script_dir=/home/jboonen/work/qemu-openmoko/qemu-neo1973/openmoko
++ uboot_symlink=/home/jboonen/work/qemu-openmoko/qemu-neo1973/u-boot.bin
++ qemu_relative='arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm -M gta01 -m 130'
++
qemu='/home/jboonen/work/qemu-openmoko/qemu-neo1973/arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm
-M gta01 -m 130'
++ flash_base=openmoko-flash.base
++ flash_image=openmoko-flash.image
++ make=make
++ which gmake
/usr/bin/gmake
++ make=gmake
++ echo=echo
++ which gecho
which: no gecho in
(/home/jboonen/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:/opt/kde3/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/jre/bin:/usr/lib/mit/bin:/usr/lib/mit/sbin)
++ export make echo
++ dump_dir=/home/jboonen/work/qemu-openmoko/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/vvfat
++ qemu_monitor=/home/jboonen/.qemu_monitor
++ kernel_addr=0x30100000
++ splash_addr=0x36000000
++ splash_size=0x5000
++ kernel_wildcard='testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin'
++ rootfs_wildcard='testing-om-gta01-*.rootfs.jffs2'
++ uboot_wildcard=gta01bv4-u-boot.bin
++ download_dir=http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
++ dev_download_dir=http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
++ backup_download_dir=http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/
+ cd /home/jboonen/work/qemu-openmoko/qemu-neo1973/openmoko
+ echo '    Retrieving' available builds list...
    Retrieving available builds list...
++ lynx -dump http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
++ grep http
++ sed 's,[0-9
\t\.]*http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/\([a-zA-Z0-9_\.-]\)[ \t]*,\1,'
+ files='   1. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=N;O=D
   2. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=M;O=A
   3. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=S;O=A
   4. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=D;O=A
   5. http://downloads.openmoko.org/
testing/
unstable/'
++ lynx -dump http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
++ grep http
++ sed 's,[0-9
\t\.]*http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/\([a-zA-Z0-9_\.-]\)[ \t]*,\1,'
+ dev_files='   1. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=N;O=D
   2. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=M;O=A
   3. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=S;O=A
   4. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=D;O=A
   5. http://downloads.openmoko.org/
testing/
unstable/'
+ [[    1. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=N;O=D
   2. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=M;O=A
   3. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=S;O=A
   4. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=D;O=A
   5. http://downloads.openmoko.org/
testing/
unstable/ == '' ]]
+ echo -n '    Kernel' 'is... '
    Kernel is... + most_recent 'testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin'
kernel_image ''
+ echo
+ f=files
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ 1. == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=N;O=D ==
testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ 2. == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=M;O=A ==
testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ 3. == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=S;O=A ==
testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ 4. == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=D;O=A ==
testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ 5. == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ http://downloads.openmoko.org/ == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ testing/ == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
+ for name in '${!f}'
+ [[ unstable/ == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
++ sort -n .list
++ tail -n 1
+ export kernel_image=
+ kernel_image=
+ rm -rf .list
+ '[' -z '' ']'
+ echo not found
not found
+ exit -1
jboonen at centrino:~/work/qemu-openmoko/qemu-neo1973>




From joop_boonen at web.de  Tue Dec  9 13:08:43 2008
From: joop_boonen at web.de (Joop Boonen)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:08:43 +0100 (CET)
Subject: qemu download.sh isn;t ok any more. File names aren't ok
In-Reply-To: <ff814232d114d5c5216ebc871155f4b2.squirrel@www.boonen.name>
References: <ff814232d114d5c5216ebc871155f4b2.squirrel@www.boonen.name>
Message-ID: <d93b46fcbabf78970110fc21423b95c5.squirrel@www.boonen.name>

> jboonen at centrino:~/work/qemu-openmoko/qemu-neo1973> sh -x
> openmoko/download.sh
> + . openmoko/env
> +++ pwd
> ++ src_dir=/home/jboonen/work/qemu-openmoko/qemu-neo1973
> ++ script_dir_relative=openmoko
> ++ script_dir=/home/jboonen/work/qemu-openmoko/qemu-neo1973/openmoko
> ++ uboot_symlink=/home/jboonen/work/qemu-openmoko/qemu-neo1973/u-boot.bin
> ++ qemu_relative='arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm -M gta01 -m 130'
> ++
> qemu='/home/jboonen/work/qemu-openmoko/qemu-neo1973/arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm
> -M gta01 -m 130'
> ++ flash_base=openmoko-flash.base
> ++ flash_image=openmoko-flash.image
> ++ make=make
> ++ which gmake
> /usr/bin/gmake
> ++ make=gmake
> ++ echo=echo
> ++ which gecho
> which: no gecho in
> (/home/jboonen/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:/opt/kde3/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/jre/bin:/usr/lib/mit/bin:/usr/lib/mit/sbin)
> ++ export make echo
> ++ dump_dir=/home/jboonen/work/qemu-openmoko/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/vvfat
> ++ qemu_monitor=/home/jboonen/.qemu_monitor
> ++ kernel_addr=0x30100000
> ++ splash_addr=0x36000000
> ++ splash_size=0x5000
> ++ kernel_wildcard='testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin'
> ++ rootfs_wildcard='testing-om-gta01-*.rootfs.jffs2'
> ++ uboot_wildcard=gta01bv4-u-boot.bin
> ++ download_dir=http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
> ++ dev_download_dir=http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
> ++ backup_download_dir=http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/
> + cd /home/jboonen/work/qemu-openmoko/qemu-neo1973/openmoko
> + echo '    Retrieving' available builds list...
>     Retrieving available builds list...
> ++ lynx -dump http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
> ++ grep http
> ++ sed 's,[0-9
> \t\.]*http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/\([a-zA-Z0-9_\.-]\)[ \t]*,\1,'
> + files='   1. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=N;O=D
>    2. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=M;O=A
>    3. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=S;O=A
>    4. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=D;O=A
>    5. http://downloads.openmoko.org/
> testing/
> unstable/'
> ++ lynx -dump http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
> ++ grep http
> ++ sed 's,[0-9
> \t\.]*http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/\([a-zA-Z0-9_\.-]\)[ \t]*,\1,'
> + dev_files='   1. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=N;O=D
>    2. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=M;O=A
>    3. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=S;O=A
>    4. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=D;O=A
>    5. http://downloads.openmoko.org/
> testing/
> unstable/'
> + [[    1. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=N;O=D
>    2. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=M;O=A
>    3. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=S;O=A
>    4. http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=D;O=A
>    5. http://downloads.openmoko.org/
> testing/
> unstable/ == '' ]]
> + echo -n '    Kernel' 'is... '
>     Kernel is... + most_recent 'testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin'
> kernel_image ''
> + echo
> + f=files
> + for name in '${!f}'
> + [[ 1. == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
> + for name in '${!f}'
> + [[ http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=N;O=D ==
> testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
> + for name in '${!f}'
> + [[ 2. == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
> + for name in '${!f}'
> + [[ http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=M;O=A ==
> testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
> + for name in '${!f}'
> + [[ 3. == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
> + for name in '${!f}'
> + [[ http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=S;O=A ==
> testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
> + for name in '${!f}'
> + [[ 4. == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
> + for name in '${!f}'
> + [[ http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/?C=D;O=A ==
> testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
> + for name in '${!f}'
> + [[ 5. == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
> + for name in '${!f}'
> + [[ http://downloads.openmoko.org/ == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
> + for name in '${!f}'
> + [[ testing/ == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
> + for name in '${!f}'
> + [[ unstable/ == testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin ]]
> ++ sort -n .list
> ++ tail -n 1
> + export kernel_image=
> + kernel_image=
> + rm -rf .list
> + '[' -z '' ']'
> + echo not found
> not found
> + exit -1
> jboonen at centrino:~/work/qemu-openmoko/qemu-neo1973>
>

This line isn't correct:
rootfs_wildcard='testing-om-gta01-*.rootfs.jffs2'




From billk at iinet.net.au  Tue Dec  9 13:11:53 2008
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:11:53 +0900
Subject: 2008.testing (2008.9 upgraded) - "Settings" not running
In-Reply-To: <493E2BEB.5080806@dfki.de>
References: <1228795685.18532.62.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
	<493E2BEB.5080806@dfki.de>
Message-ID: <1228824713.8956.3.camel@rattus>

Thanks Gunnar, Ive just flashed testing rather than working with upgrade
- impressed so far.

The upgrade was working far better than 2008.9, but I think Ive made too
many changes trying to customize and fix things so its probably not
worth pursuing (that image anyway!).  So I'm madly configuring the thing
now to make it usable for me :)

BillK



On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 09:27 +0100, Gunnar AAstrand Grimnes wrote:
> The problem is probably broken python-ekt bindings, the upgrade path
> from 2008.08 to testing is (was?) broken.
> See https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2127
> 
> for a fix and more explanation.
> 
> - Gunnar
> 
> W.Kenworthy wrote:
> > I am using 2008.testing (2008.9 upgraded) and the Settings app wont
> > start - same if I run "exposure.py" in a terminal, and no debug is
> > printed.  A "ps aux" shows exposure running, but no window appears and
> > the command line returns without printing anything.
> > 
> > Is there a way to debug python apps and see where its going wrong?
> > 
> > BillK
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
-- 
William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
Home in Perth!




From joakim at verona.se  Tue Dec  9 13:24:30 2008
From: joakim at verona.se (joakim at verona.se)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:24:30 +0100
Subject: [debian] choice of root filesystem type?
Message-ID: <m3r64hsfi9.fsf@verona.se>

Hello,

Currently I run ext2 on my debian root, but its annoying in that when
the phone looses power, the fs is quite often corrupt.

What about ext3? I've read that a journaling fs will lower the life
expectancy of the sd card, but how much? If I need to buy a new sd card
every couple of months, thats no big issue.

Are there other fs types that are more suitable, and work with debian?
-- 
Joakim Verona




From will.siddall at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 13:37:57 2008
From: will.siddall at gmail.com (Will Siddall)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:37:57 -0400
Subject: Any progress on the Telit UC864 3.5G modem?
In-Reply-To: <7c9d57ea0812081424i50ad66b0h1222a76e0bbf09d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6af4cea0812081358i6af0049cye5ee9c698d4b759a@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c9d57ea0812081424i50ad66b0h1222a76e0bbf09d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bf0911a00812090437o6ad01492xfc1bb47b02b10221@mail.gmail.com>

Please, has anyone looked further into this?  I do a lot of travelling
into countries that use 3G only networks and being able to swap the
existing GSM module with this one would save me A LOT of hassle.

What's the concensus and for those who have tried: how hard is it to
swap and get it running?

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Sargun Dhillon
<xbmodder+openmoko at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is one of those modular devices, correct? Does this mean there is
> a chance of being able to swap in a CDMA module?
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Justyn Butler
> <justynbutler+openmoko at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> It's been quite a while since the MokoForesight page was updated, so I
>> was wondering whether any more research went into the Telit UC864G
>> modem (3.5G with integrated GPS).
>>
>> On the MokoForesight page it says:
>>
>> "Detailed documentation on Web. Can get even more documentation from reseller."
>> "First impression is good. UC864G includes all known bands and GPS
>> receiver (saves more space & complications)."
>>
>> Which all sounded quite promising. Did it turn out to be a dead end?
>>
>> Regards, Justyn.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> devel mailing list
>> devel at lists.openmoko.org
>> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



From openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net  Tue Dec  9 13:52:13 2008
From: openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net (Gothnet)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:52:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
Message-ID: <1228827133835-1633700.post@n2.nabble.com>




John Lee wrote:
> 
> Olv is having kernel fun now, but since it's gta03 related, you probably
> won't see him a lot on the public kernel list.
> 
> ...
> 
> OM is moving more focus to gta03 now, so my current resource for qtopia is
> fairly limited.
> 

I know it's important for OM to keep moving forward, but really, focusing on
gta03? Already?

It's been a few months since GTA02 went GA and we still don't really have a
working system, focusing most effort on GTA03 now seems to be an abandonment
of freerunner owners.

With the software in the state it was when the 02 came out, I certainly
won't be buying a 03 until OM proves it can actually make something that's a
useful product rather than just a public alpha. this goes double if the
alpha product is essentially left for dead without ever being fully working.
-- 
View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Optimization-team-update-%2811-30-%7E-12-06%29-tp1625647p1633700.html
Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.




From justynbutler+openmoko at googlemail.com  Tue Dec  9 14:05:21 2008
From: justynbutler+openmoko at googlemail.com (Justyn Butler)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:05:21 +0000
Subject: Any progress on the Telit UC864 3.5G modem?
In-Reply-To: <bf0911a00812090437o6ad01492xfc1bb47b02b10221@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6af4cea0812081358i6af0049cye5ee9c698d4b759a@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c9d57ea0812081424i50ad66b0h1222a76e0bbf09d5@mail.gmail.com>
	<bf0911a00812090437o6ad01492xfc1bb47b02b10221@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a6af4cea0812090505h10db5c85xb6ca085d02f49730@mail.gmail.com>

If you're talking about physically replacing the TI Calypso modem on
the Freerunner board with a 3G modem, I'm afraid you misunderstand.

This is not at all possible.

I am asking about the research into the Telit modem for a future
Openmoko device.


2008/12/9 Will Siddall <will.siddall at gmail.com>:
> Please, has anyone looked further into this?  I do a lot of travelling
> into countries that use 3G only networks and being able to swap the
> existing GSM module with this one would save me A LOT of hassle.
>
> What's the concensus and for those who have tried: how hard is it to
> swap and get it running?
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Sargun Dhillon
> <xbmodder+openmoko at gmail.com> wrote:
>> This is one of those modular devices, correct? Does this mean there is
>> a chance of being able to swap in a CDMA module?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Justyn Butler
>> <justynbutler+openmoko at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> It's been quite a while since the MokoForesight page was updated, so I
>>> was wondering whether any more research went into the Telit UC864G
>>> modem (3.5G with integrated GPS).
>>>
>>> On the MokoForesight page it says:
>>>
>>> "Detailed documentation on Web. Can get even more documentation from reseller."
>>> "First impression is good. UC864G includes all known bands and GPS
>>> receiver (saves more space & complications)."
>>>
>>> Which all sounded quite promising. Did it turn out to be a dead end?
>>>
>>> Regards, Justyn.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> devel mailing list
>>> devel at lists.openmoko.org
>>> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



From polz at aufbix.org  Tue Dec  9 14:17:27 2008
From: polz at aufbix.org (polz)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:17:27 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <1228827133835-1633700.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
	<1228827133835-1633700.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <200812091417.27866.polz@aufbix.org>

On Tuesday 09 December 2008 13:52:13 Gothnet wrote:

> I know it's important for OM to keep moving forward, but really, focusing
> on gta03? Already?
Don't worry about it, the improvements will be back-ported.
> It's been a few months since GTA02 went GA and we still don't really have a
> working system, focusing most effort on GTA03 now seems to be an
> abandonment of freerunner owners.
The situation GTA02 users are in now is similar to the situation GTA01 users 
were in when GTA02 came out. If anything, the GTA02 users are better off since 
there are more Freerunners out there than there are Neo1973s.

Even if the people at Openmoko stop working on GTA02 completely and just 
create a stable, working rootfs for the phone, along with a reliable 
buildsystem.
> With the software in the state it was when the 02 came out, I certainly
> won't be buying a 03 until OM proves it can actually make something that's
> a useful product rather than just a public alpha.
That's just common sense. If you want a working phone, just stick to the 
Freerunner, maybe try and help get it into a working state. Once the base 
system is working, you can always buy a GTA03 to get some new, faster, shinier 
hardware.
> this goes double if the
> alpha product is essentially left for dead without ever being fully
> working.
Don't worry, the software on your phone is free, it'll stay supported as long 
as there's at least one user willing to keep building images/packages for it. 
You're likely to run out of replacement parts or break it unintentionally way 
before then.



From anthropophagite at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 14:18:54 2008
From: anthropophagite at gmail.com (Evgeny Karyakin)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:18:54 +0300
Subject: [testing] WSOD gone
In-Reply-To: <493AF5F8.7050706@gmx.net>
References: <493AC710.6010707@gmx.net>
	<CD587199-C3F5-49E3-9010-C51DCC58F1E7@gmail.com>
	<493AF5F8.7050706@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <867b5c700812090518t1c17a444ve9a2c7f924e3ee36@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/7 Andreas Cyberfrag Fischer <cyberfrag at gmx.net>:
> This is on the testing branch. Flash OM2008.9, switch to testing as
> described here:
> http://n2.nabble.com/Optimization-team-update-%2811-23-%7E-11-29%29-td1595015.html#a1600801
> and do a full update (opkg update && opkg upgrade).

   Will it bump all the software to the latest? I mean, will the phone
end up with all software from 2008.x official release (kernel +
graphics + qtopia dialer + gps + ...), but latest versions of them? I
guess so.
   For a couple of weeks I just take
http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/ images to play with, and
constantly being ridicued by colleagues like "what have you bought, a
black screen with white letters?" :-) . I must say in this textual
state Neo performs very well.



From liedekef at telenet.be  Tue Dec  9 14:20:11 2008
From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:20:11 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <1228827133835-1633700.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
	<1228827133835-1633700.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <60567dcc0812090520l5cbab092pa194b7c33e8d64d@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Gothnet <openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net>wrote:

>
>
>
> John Lee wrote:
> >
> > Olv is having kernel fun now, but since it's gta03 related, you probably
> > won't see him a lot on the public kernel list.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > OM is moving more focus to gta03 now, so my current resource for qtopia
> is
> > fairly limited.
> >
>
> I know it's important for OM to keep moving forward, but really, focusing
> on
> gta03? Already?
>
> It's been a few months since GTA02 went GA and we still don't really have a
> working system, focusing most effort on GTA03 now seems to be an
> abandonment
> of freerunner owners.
>
> With the software in the state it was when the 02 came out, I certainly
> won't be buying a 03 until OM proves it can actually make something that's
> a
> useful product rather than just a public alpha. this goes double if the
> alpha product is essentially left for dead without ever being fully
> working.
>

I second this.

Franky
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From will.siddall at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 14:32:27 2008
From: will.siddall at gmail.com (Will Siddall)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:32:27 -0400
Subject: Any progress on the Telit UC864 3.5G modem?
In-Reply-To: <a6af4cea0812090505h10db5c85xb6ca085d02f49730@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6af4cea0812081358i6af0049cye5ee9c698d4b759a@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c9d57ea0812081424i50ad66b0h1222a76e0bbf09d5@mail.gmail.com>
	<bf0911a00812090437o6ad01492xfc1bb47b02b10221@mail.gmail.com>
	<a6af4cea0812090505h10db5c85xb6ca085d02f49730@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bf0911a00812090532u63e7a566ifef7b4a1ad969c3b@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for clarifying Justyn, it's still something that would be a
great feature to have.  I will buy a later version FR only if it
contained a 3G modem.

I guess I'm just over-anxious about getting 'everything' I've wanted
in a phone so quickly

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Justyn Butler
<justynbutler+openmoko at googlemail.com> wrote:
> If you're talking about physically replacing the TI Calypso modem on
> the Freerunner board with a 3G modem, I'm afraid you misunderstand.
>
> This is not at all possible.
>
> I am asking about the research into the Telit modem for a future
> Openmoko device.
>
>
> 2008/12/9 Will Siddall <will.siddall at gmail.com>:
>> Please, has anyone looked further into this?  I do a lot of travelling
>> into countries that use 3G only networks and being able to swap the
>> existing GSM module with this one would save me A LOT of hassle.
>>
>> What's the concensus and for those who have tried: how hard is it to
>> swap and get it running?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Sargun Dhillon
>> <xbmodder+openmoko at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> This is one of those modular devices, correct? Does this mean there is
>>> a chance of being able to swap in a CDMA module?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Justyn Butler
>>> <justynbutler+openmoko at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> It's been quite a while since the MokoForesight page was updated, so I
>>>> was wondering whether any more research went into the Telit UC864G
>>>> modem (3.5G with integrated GPS).
>>>>
>>>> On the MokoForesight page it says:
>>>>
>>>> "Detailed documentation on Web. Can get even more documentation from reseller."
>>>> "First impression is good. UC864G includes all known bands and GPS
>>>> receiver (saves more space & complications)."
>>>>
>>>> Which all sounded quite promising. Did it turn out to be a dead end?
>>>>
>>>> Regards, Justyn.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> devel mailing list
>>>> devel at lists.openmoko.org
>>>> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Openmoko community mailing list
>>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Tue Dec  9 14:51:33 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:51:33 +0100
Subject: [debian] choice of root filesystem type?
In-Reply-To: <m3r64hsfi9.fsf@verona.se>
References: <m3r64hsfi9.fsf@verona.se>
Message-ID: <op.ulwd37uo41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

> Are there other fs types that are more suitable, and work with debian?

the supposed wear of ext3 is caused by the journalling imo -- since  
journalling is, what you are after, there's nothing else.
otoh there where a while ago some postings regarding the wear, and most  
were in favour of ext3, since the wear is not that heavy (still leaving a  
life expectancy of years). one eyewitness, though, reported instant  
corruption.

if you're booting from sd, you need to manipulate the boot env, to use  
ext3 -- if not, it's purely a matter of fstab and tune2fs ...





From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Tue Dec  9 14:55:19 2008
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:55:19 +0100
Subject: Any progress on the Telit UC864 3.5G modem?
In-Reply-To: <bf0911a00812090532u63e7a566ifef7b4a1ad969c3b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6af4cea0812081358i6af0049cye5ee9c698d4b759a@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c9d57ea0812081424i50ad66b0h1222a76e0bbf09d5@mail.gmail.com>
	<bf0911a00812090437o6ad01492xfc1bb47b02b10221@mail.gmail.com>
	<a6af4cea0812090505h10db5c85xb6ca085d02f49730@mail.gmail.com>
	<bf0911a00812090532u63e7a566ifef7b4a1ad969c3b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.ulweahq941evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

> I guess I'm just over-anxious about getting 'everything' I've wanted
> in a phone so quickly

you could use any 3g usb adapter supported by the used kernel.



From ed at kapitein.org  Tue Dec  9 15:08:24 2008
From: ed at kapitein.org (Ed Kapitein)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:08:24 +0100
Subject: Illume Keyboard on  2008.11
Message-ID: <1228831704.27670.20.camel@lp-00079>

Hi all,

I upgraded to 2008.11 (daily image of 04 december 2008) and i lost my
illume keyboard.
All i have now is the useless predictive keyboard.
Is there a way to re-install the illume keyboard again?
I did uninstall and install illume again, to no avail.
I am also missing a possibility to see the settings of illume.
i did try the instructions on:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#How_to_install_the_illume_.28Raster.27s.29_keyboard_.3F

to no avail.

Thanks a lot for any pointer to fixing this, if i get it to work, i will
add it to the wiki.

Kind regards,
Ed





From openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net  Tue Dec  9 15:10:26 2008
From: openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net (Gothnet)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:10:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <200812091417.27866.polz@aufbix.org>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
	<1228827133835-1633700.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<200812091417.27866.polz@aufbix.org>
Message-ID: <1228831826439-1633966.post@n2.nabble.com>




polz wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> That's just common sense. If you want a working phone, just stick to the 
> Freerunner, maybe try and help get it into a working state. Once the base 
> system is working, you can always buy a GTA03 to get some new, faster,
> shinier 
> hardware.
> 

Yes, but I'm wondering who they think is going to buy the 03 when the user
experience for the 02 has been so poor and it looks like development effort
is being shifted off it when the phone is still basically in alpha testing.




> Don't worry, the software on your phone is free, it'll stay supported as
> long 
> as there's at least one user willing to keep building images/packages for
> it. 
> You're likely to run out of replacement parts or break it unintentionally
> way 
> before then.
> 

That's not in any way the same as having paid development effort to get it
up to a base working state. 
And it's not support I'm worried about, it's the absolute basic
functionality and reliability that's at issue here.
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From csi at gmx.ch  Tue Dec  9 15:36:20 2008
From: csi at gmx.ch (Christoph Siegenthaler)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:36:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <1228831826439-1633966.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
	<1228827133835-1633700.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<200812091417.27866.polz@aufbix.org>
	<1228831826439-1633966.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1228833380840-1634078.post@n2.nabble.com>


Totally agreed. I've got a phone with which I can't make phone calls without
echo and buzzing even though the OM folks have been working on the basics
for weeks/months now. Come on... Phone calls are the only basic
functionality I can think of in a cell phone.


Gothnet wrote:
> 
> Yes, but I'm wondering who they think is going to buy the 03 when the user
> experience for the 02 has been so poor and it looks like development
> effort is being shifted off it when the phone is still basically in alpha
> testing.
> 
> ...
> 
> And it's not support I'm worried about, it's the absolute basic
> functionality and reliability that's at issue here.
> 

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From jluis at escomposlinux.org  Tue Dec  9 15:41:06 2008
From: jluis at escomposlinux.org (Jose Luis Perez Diez)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:41:06 +0100
Subject: perl for OM
In-Reply-To: <493D1F14.9090001@gmail.com>
References: <493D1F14.9090001@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200812091541.06885.jluis@escomposlinux.org>

El Monday, 8 de December de 2008 14:20:20 Ivan Shirokoff va escriure:
> Hello. Has anyone managed to compile perl for FR?

I've compiled Perl 5.8 the Freeruner  ( also Parrot on the 1974) but as others 
have said is easier to install it with opkg.

 /usr/local/bin/perl -V
Summary of my perl5 (revision 5 version 8 subversion 8) configuration:
  Platform:
    osname=linux, osvers=2.6.24, archname=armv4tl-linux
    uname='linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 preempt thu sep 4 01:33:19 cest 2008 
armv4tl unknown unknown gnulinux '
    config_args=''
    hint=recommended, useposix=true, d_sigaction=define
    usethreads=undef use5005threads=undef useithreads=undef 
usemultiplicity=undef
    useperlio=define d_sfio=undef uselargefiles=define usesocks=undef
    use64bitint=undef use64bitall=undef uselongdouble=define
    usemymalloc=n, bincompat5005=undef
  Compiler:
    cc='cc', ccflags 
='-fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -Wdeclaration-after-statement -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64',
    optimize='-O2',
    cppflags='-fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -Wdeclaration-after-statement'
    ccversion='', gccversion='4.1.2', gccosandvers=''
    intsize=4, longsize=4, ptrsize=4, doublesize=8, byteorder=1234
    d_longlong=define, longlongsize=8, d_longdbl=define, longdblsize=8
    ivtype='long', ivsize=4, nvtype='long double', nvsize=8, Off_t='off_t', 
lseeksize=8
    alignbytes=8, prototype=define
  Linker and Libraries:
    ld='cc', ldflags =''
    libpth=/lib /usr/lib
    libs=-lnsl -ldl -lm -lcrypt -lutil -lc
    perllibs=-lnsl -ldl -lm -lcrypt -lutil -lc
    libc=/lib/libc-2.6.1.so, so=so, useshrplib=true, libperl=libperl.so
    gnulibc_version='2.6.1'
  Dynamic Linking:
    dlsrc=dl_dlopen.xs, dlext=so, d_dlsymun=undef, 
ccdlflags='-Wl,-E -Wl,-rpath,/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/armv4tl-linux/CORE'
    cccdlflags='-fpic', lddlflags='-shared'


Characteristics of this binary (from libperl):
  Compile-time options: PERL_MALLOC_WRAP USE_LARGE_FILES USE_PERLIO
  Built under linux
  Compiled at Sep 20 2008 15:09:36
  @INC:
    /local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/armv4tl-linux
    /local/lib/perl5/5.8.8
    /local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/armv4tl-linux
    /local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8
    /local/lib/perl5/site_perl
    .



From cyberfrag at gmx.net  Tue Dec  9 15:47:15 2008
From: cyberfrag at gmx.net (Andreas Fischer)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:47:15 +0100
Subject: [testing] WSOD gone
In-Reply-To: <867b5c700812090518t1c17a444ve9a2c7f924e3ee36@mail.gmail.com>
References: <493AC710.6010707@gmx.net>	<CD587199-C3F5-49E3-9010-C51DCC58F1E7@gmail.com>	<493AF5F8.7050706@gmx.net>
	<867b5c700812090518t1c17a444ve9a2c7f924e3ee36@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493E84F3.8080705@gmx.net>

Evgeny Karyakin wrote:
> 2008/12/7 Andreas Cyberfrag Fischer <cyberfrag at gmx.net>:
>> This is on the testing branch. Flash OM2008.9, switch to testing as
>> described here:
>> http://n2.nabble.com/Optimization-team-update-%2811-23-%7E-11-29%29-td1595015.html#a1600801
>> and do a full update (opkg update && opkg upgrade).
> 
>    Will it bump all the software to the latest? I mean, will the phone
> end up with all software from 2008.x official release (kernel +
> graphics + qtopia dialer + gps + ...), but latest versions of them? I
> guess so.
>    For a couple of weeks I just take
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/ images to play with, and
> constantly being ridicued by colleagues like "what have you bought, a
> black screen with white letters?" :-) . I must say in this textual
> state Neo performs very well.

Not sure what you mean by that. I have (and always had) a fully
functional Illume-desktop. And yes, the 2008.9 software was simply
updated to newer versions (git revisions).

BTW: Show your colleagues a round of DukeNukem and see if they still
ridicule you :D

Regards,
Andreas



From ivanshirokoff at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 15:51:18 2008
From: ivanshirokoff at gmail.com (Ivan Shirokoff)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:51:18 +0300
Subject: perl for OM
In-Reply-To: <200812091541.06885.jluis@escomposlinux.org>
References: <493D1F14.9090001@gmail.com>
	<200812091541.06885.jluis@escomposlinux.org>
Message-ID: <493E85E6.3020909@gmail.com>

Jose Luis Perez Diez ?????:
> El Monday, 8 de December de 2008 14:20:20 Ivan Shirokoff va escriure:
>   
>> Hello. Has anyone managed to compile perl for FR?
>>     
>
> I've compiled Perl 5.8 the Freeruner  ( also Parrot on the 1974) but as others 
> have said is easier to install it with opkg.
>   
Sounds cool. You mean Rakudo (Perl 6)?
>  /usr/local/bin/perl -V
> Summary of my perl5 (revision 5 version 8 subversion 8) configuration:
>   Platform:
>     osname=linux, osvers=2.6.24, archname=armv4tl-linux
>     uname='linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 preempt thu sep 4 01:33:19 cest 2008 
> armv4tl unknown unknown gnulinux '
>     config_args=''
>     hint=recommended, useposix=true, d_sigaction=define
>     usethreads=undef use5005threads=undef useithreads=undef 
> usemultiplicity=undef
>     useperlio=define d_sfio=undef uselargefiles=define usesocks=undef
>     use64bitint=undef use64bitall=undef uselongdouble=define
>     usemymalloc=n, bincompat5005=undef
>   Compiler:
>     cc='cc', ccflags 
> ='-fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -Wdeclaration-after-statement -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64',
>     optimize='-O2',
>     cppflags='-fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -Wdeclaration-after-statement'
>     ccversion='', gccversion='4.1.2', gccosandvers=''
>     intsize=4, longsize=4, ptrsize=4, doublesize=8, byteorder=1234
>     d_longlong=define, longlongsize=8, d_longdbl=define, longdblsize=8
>     ivtype='long', ivsize=4, nvtype='long double', nvsize=8, Off_t='off_t', 
> lseeksize=8
>     alignbytes=8, prototype=define
>   Linker and Libraries:
>     ld='cc', ldflags =''
>     libpth=/lib /usr/lib
>     libs=-lnsl -ldl -lm -lcrypt -lutil -lc
>     perllibs=-lnsl -ldl -lm -lcrypt -lutil -lc
>     libc=/lib/libc-2.6.1.so, so=so, useshrplib=true, libperl=libperl.so
>     gnulibc_version='2.6.1'
>   Dynamic Linking:
>     dlsrc=dl_dlopen.xs, dlext=so, d_dlsymun=undef, 
> ccdlflags='-Wl,-E -Wl,-rpath,/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/armv4tl-linux/CORE'
>     cccdlflags='-fpic', lddlflags='-shared'
>
>
> Characteristics of this binary (from libperl):
>   Compile-time options: PERL_MALLOC_WRAP USE_LARGE_FILES USE_PERLIO
>   Built under linux
>   Compiled at Sep 20 2008 15:09:36
>   @INC:
>     /local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/armv4tl-linux
>     /local/lib/perl5/5.8.8
>     /local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/armv4tl-linux
>     /local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8
>     /local/lib/perl5/site_perl
>     .
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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>
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From cyberfrag at gmx.net  Tue Dec  9 15:54:04 2008
From: cyberfrag at gmx.net (Andreas Fischer)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:54:04 +0100
Subject: Illume Keyboard on  2008.11
In-Reply-To: <1228831704.27670.20.camel@lp-00079>
References: <1228831704.27670.20.camel@lp-00079>
Message-ID: <493E868C.7050405@gmx.net>

Ed Kapitein wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I upgraded to 2008.11 (daily image of 04 december 2008) and i lost my
> illume keyboard.
> All i have now is the useless predictive keyboard.
> Is there a way to re-install the illume keyboard again?
> I did uninstall and install illume again, to no avail.
> I am also missing a possibility to see the settings of illume.
> i did try the instructions on:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#How_to_install_the_illume_.28Raster.27s.29_keyboard_.3F
> 
> to no avail.
> 
> Thanks a lot for any pointer to fixing this, if i get it to work, i will
> add it to the wiki.

Actually this is already in the wiki:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Toggle (at the very bottom)
Bottom line: At the moment you have to switch themes to get Raster's
keyboard back.

Regards,
Andreas



From xavier.bestel at free.fr  Tue Dec  9 15:58:31 2008
From: xavier.bestel at free.fr (Xavier Bestel)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:58:31 +0100
Subject: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
In-Reply-To: <009801c959e3$25af1810$3f29160a@siv.ad.sncf.fr>
References: <20081207165014.GB21110@localhost>
	<200812071956.23776.bundeshund@yahoo.de>
	<1228677880759-1626131.post@n2.nabble.com><1228734963.15300.1.camel@skunk>
	<20081209034433.GC4162@buddha.tw.openmoko.com>
	<1228814082.15300.7.camel@skunk>
	<009801c959e3$25af1810$3f29160a@siv.ad.sncf.fr>
Message-ID: <1228834711.15300.39.camel@skunk>

On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 10:47 +0100, KaZeR wrote:
>  
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org 
> > [mailto:community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org] De la part de 
> > Xavier Bestel
> > Envoy? : mardi 9 d?cembre 2008 10:15
> > ? : List for Openmoko community discussion
> > Objet : Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
> > 
> > On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 11:44 +0800, John Lee wrote:
> > > On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 12:16:03PM +0100, Xavier Bestel wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 11:24 -0800, Christoph Siegenthaler wrote:
> > > > > I've been testing todays openmoko-testing-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 
> > > > > together with testing-om-gta02-20081207.uImage.bin 
> > after following 
> > > > > the ML without actually flashing my freerunner a lot 
> > (for a few weeks).
> > > > 
> > > > BTW I just tested these images too, and I have no wifi (i.e. the 
> > > > settings allow to turn on GPS and Bluetooth, buth there's 
> > no more a 
> > > > WIFI entry). Is that expected ?
> > > > 
> > > > 	Xav
> > > 
> > > yes.  please refer to
> > > 
> > > https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2003
> > 
> > Mmh .. the ticket reads:
> > Summary: 
> > Please take out suspend time "10 sec." 
> > So we only left 30 seconds, 60 seconds and Off.
> > Let's but this in Milestone Om2008.10.
> > 
> > I couldn't find an equivalent ticket in trac.
> > 
> 
> In the first comment : 
> 
> commit log: disable wifi frontend (backend currently broken)

Ugh.  :(

Thanks for the hint.

	Xav





From ed at kapitein.org  Tue Dec  9 16:08:23 2008
From: ed at kapitein.org (Ed Kapitein)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:08:23 +0100
Subject: Illume Keyboard on  2008.11
In-Reply-To: <493E868C.7050405@gmx.net>
References: <1228831704.27670.20.camel@lp-00079>  <493E868C.7050405@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <1228835303.27670.29.camel@lp-00079>

Hi Andreas,

Thanks for the pointer!
It does give you the qwerty keyboard again, but the tradeoff is i get 
 *** glibc detected *** enlightenment: realloc(): invalid next size:
0x0044cb10 ***
quiet a lot.
But that seems to be another problem.

Kind regards,
Ed

><SNIP><
> Actually this is already in the wiki:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Toggle (at the very bottom)
> Bottom line: At the moment you have to switch themes to get Raster's
> keyboard back.
> 
> Regards,
> Andreas
> 




From drac2000 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec  9 16:12:19 2008
From: drac2000 at hotmail.com (drac2000)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:12:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: geocaching with tangoGPS on FR
In-Reply-To: <493DAE47.2020006@zindep.com>
References: <493DAE47.2020006@zindep.com>
Message-ID: <1228835539021-1634250.post@n2.nabble.com>


This is great
A long time ago I wanted to start enjoying geocaching
And now with your contribution, on my FR that will be great :wistle:
Specially runing on the TangoGPS which is nicest GPS app I found runing on
linux 
I would like to know when the tangoGPS application will support rounting and
use it as my car drive GPS &-(


Nicolas Laurance wrote:
> 
> Hi freephone users,
> 
> I wrote a little python script that will inject geocaching positions 
> into tangoGPS, so that you can use your freephone to locate the caches 
> you select.
> 
> You'll find screenshots, instructions and download at :
> http://www.zindep.com/blog-zindep/geocaching_tangogps
> 
> I hope it can be of some use
> 
> Nicolas
> 
> 

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From stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk  Tue Dec  9 16:13:26 2008
From: stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk (Stroller)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:13:26 +0000
Subject: Funding Global Domination Mk II "The Console"
In-Reply-To: <493D11AA.9020305@gmail.com>
References: <20081205113647.bitpilw8g840884c@webmail.opentransfer.com>
	<493D11AA.9020305@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F382F4B-72ED-43B6-83A8-2AD725EEF921@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>


On 8 Dec 2008, at 12:23, Arigead wrote:
> ...
> So you'd have a PC Motherboard, TV out don't know what standard. Do  
> all
> modern TV's take the same digital connection all over the world? Then
> you'll have a TV in signal for recording TV. Again I've no idea if  
> that
> would mean different hardware all over the world. Ethernet, USB,  
> Remote
> control. Nice plastics.
>
> A few companies have toyed with the idea of producing Open Console but
> to my knowledge nobody has ever really done it well ...

Hi there,

I, too, have thought about what open hardware I'd like to see on the  
market.

Regarding video players, I think a terrabyte of storage - or any hard- 
drive - is excessive for a front-end box, and what I'd really like to  
see is a small-front end unit which streams data from the hard-drives  
on a back-end server or NAS. I also think that - if you want "just  
basically a PC with a disk-drive" - one could probably just buy one  
from the host of all the options already out there (Apple MacMini /  
iTV, Asus Eee Box, various Mini-ITX form-factor machines).

I also fear there's little "unique selling point" to OpenMoko getting  
involved with something that's "just basically a PC" - what's to stop  
people from using the same software on a repurposed PC? What's  
compelling about buying the hardware?

I have, however, been using MediaTomb a little recently, which is  
software for the backend server to stream your music & videos to a set- 
top device. Many player devices are supported, but mostly these are  
all completely closed, hardware boxes one buys off the shelf at PC  
World or BestBuy. I use the PS3 in my livingroom to playback from a  
directory of videos on the MediaTomb server, but the PS3 isn't a  
terribly good player, as its very fussy about codecs. Like so many  
other devices its playback software is closed source.

The problem with silent video front ends is power vs noise. And the  
best front ends for MediaTomb have hardware decoding on board. But  
they're closed source: http://www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/

So what I think would be idea would be for OpenMoko - or someone like  
them - to produce a low-power media box with hardware decoding, and  
open-source drivers for the video-accelerator chip. The Popcorn  
devices have such an accelerator, but did I mention they're closed- 
source?  (VIA used to do CPUs c 1ghz with extra MPEG decoders, but  
they have been very late to the game with their open-source "chrome"  
drivers).

I should add that complaints about the Popcorn are that its interface  
is slow & clumsy - this is easily the sort of thing that users can fix  
if they have access to the sources, whilst someone-like-Openmoko can  
stay concentrated on low-level drivers - Openmoko's core competency -  
for the video hardware. I should add that a built-in TV tuner is  
undesirable - should it be for cable, satellite or terrestrial digital  
TV - but USB ports would allow the user to tuners as they wish. There  
are open-source drivers already available for a number of devices, so  
there's no need to waste resources on that.

I have a Linux-based device here which also suffers from slowness &  
general quirkiness. It is an IP-KVM for remote access. Mine is branded  
Addison-Hughes, but Peppercorn & many other manufacturers sold very  
similar devices apparently based on the same software stack - the web- 
based GUI is very distinctive. I think the OEM of that was Taiwanese,  
but good luck getting any information about it, as they clearly only  
sold to people buying their video-capturing chipsets. My IP-KVM is a  
godsend, allowing me to work on multiple computers - reinstalling  
Windows for customers, for example - without needing a monitor for  
each one (and the space that would consume) and to do so without  
leaving the comfort of the chair at my main workstation. But it is, as  
I said, slow & quirky: there is SO much that the open-source community  
could do to improve this device, but I don't even bother asking for  
sources because bitter experience has shown that most mainstream  
suppliers - basically anyone using Linux in their embedded devices  
unless they go out of their way to make it a marketing focus - will  
only provide the minimum sources they're legally required to.

EDIT: I was about to add that there used to be an open-source project  
that had started working on this & then died; I was sure that was the  
scenario 6 months ago, but I now find them successful! Well done! I  
shall be reading more after I hit send.
http://okvm.sourceforge.net/kvmoverip.html
http://www.opengear.com/

This bitter experience stemmed from trying to unlock the Wanadoo  
Livebox ADSL router to use it with another ISP. I managed to find a  
firmware file, run `strings` on it and discovered it uses Linux, but  
it transpired that the closed source `adsld` will reject any PPPoA  
logon entered in the GUI if it doesn't end in @wanadoo.com. This has  
been hacked, but freedom has been severely compromised. The Linksys  
WRT routers have shown what cool stuff the open-source community can  
do, but AFAIK there are still no routers available with open ADSL  
drivers. There are HUNDREDS of devices on the OpenWRT supported  
hardware list, but they're all somewhat lacking if you're dependent  
upon DSL - Openmoko would be unique if they were to bring an Open ADSL  
router to market.

Since I'm writing such a long email, I would like to mention that I've  
recently come to better appreciate Openmoko's full openness. THANK YOU  
OPENMOKO! In the last week or two I have been looking at a hardware  
device - I won't mention its name because I don't want to antagonise  
the guy - which users can build and which claims to be "open source",  
but isn't, depending upon your definition. I've always thought myself  
that if I ever wrote $significant_application I would release it under  
a "not for commercial use" license (and offer commercial licenses  
alongside), and I thought to do so for exactly the reasons this guy  
gives. He says he "doesn't want other people making a profit off [his]  
hard work", but when I consider working on his project as a 3rd-party  
I just find myself turned-off and almost nauseated by his licensing  
mess. The developer has implemented a really neat idea and shown its  
potential - he has managed to get the community engaged, but I feel  
that's hampered by the number of devices he can turn out of his shed  
(and many people don't want to have to build electronics PCBs for  
themselves). And when you look at the device, it's nothing really  
novel or unique - only a "twist" on existing ideas. Manufacturers have  
been turning out functionally very similar devices for decades and  
when I look at the chips he has used and posts about related stuff on  
electronics forums I can see that he's implemented his device in the  
obvious way that any hobbyist or electronics engineer would do, were  
they faced with the same set of requirements. The only difference  
between this device and something you'd buy in the local high street  
is that he has posted a blog describing some of his techniques, but  
the market for his "twist" is perhaps too small & niche for the mass- 
market. When I want to produce something similar I just feel a big  
"fuck you" over his licensing - I want to write the software from  
scratch, GPL everything and steal his market, just because he's closed  
me out from his existing work. I come to his device with quite a  
different perspective, and initially I had little overlap of interest.

Stroller.





From cyberfrag at gmx.net  Tue Dec  9 16:25:57 2008
From: cyberfrag at gmx.net (Andreas Fischer)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:25:57 +0100
Subject: Illume Keyboard on  2008.11
In-Reply-To: <1228835303.27670.29.camel@lp-00079>
References: <1228831704.27670.20.camel@lp-00079> <493E868C.7050405@gmx.net>
	<1228835303.27670.29.camel@lp-00079>
Message-ID: <493E8E05.9050607@gmx.net>

Ed Kapitein wrote:
> Hi Andreas,
> 
> Thanks for the pointer!
> It does give you the qwerty keyboard again, but the tradeoff is i get 
>  *** glibc detected *** enlightenment: realloc(): invalid next size:
> 0x0044cb10 ***
> quiet a lot.
> But that seems to be another problem.

That has also been discussed already. See:
https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1767

Regards,
Andreas



From jidanni at jidanni.org  Tue Dec  9 16:19:31 2008
From: jidanni at jidanni.org (jidanni at jidanni.org)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:19:31 +0800
Subject: economic downturn: Openmoko unaffected?
Message-ID: <87vdtt4br0.fsf@jidanni.org>

All this news about economic downturn, is Openmoko unaffected?
???????????????



From kazer at altern.org  Tue Dec  9 16:51:20 2008
From: kazer at altern.org (KaZeR)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:51:20 +0100
Subject: geocaching with tangoGPS on FR
In-Reply-To: <1228835539021-1634250.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <493DAE47.2020006@zindep.com>
	<1228835539021-1634250.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <002201c95a15$fb3afd50$3f29160a@siv.ad.sncf.fr>

 

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org 
> [mailto:community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org] De la part de drac2000
> Envoy? : mardi 9 d?cembre 2008 16:12
> ? : community at lists.openmoko.org
> Objet : Re: geocaching with tangoGPS on FR
> 
> 
> This is great
> A long time ago I wanted to start enjoying geocaching And now 
> with your contribution, on my FR that will be great :wistle:
+1 :)

> Specially runing on the TangoGPS which is nicest GPS app I 
> found runing on linux I would like to know when the tangoGPS 
> application will support rounting and use it as my car drive GPS &-(
I know it's a bit offtopic since it includes the word 'TangoGPS', but for
that you might want to try
http://download.navit-project.org/navit/openmoko/svn/navit-current_armv4.opk

Some hints : 
- icon is broken in OM (fine in SHR), you need to copy
/usr/icon/icons/hicolor/128x128/navit.png to /usr/icon/pixmaps/navit.png 
- edit /usr/share/navit/navit.xml, uncomment the line gui="internal",
comment the line "gui=gtk". I also advise you to uncomment the lines which
enable zoomin and zoomout button on the osd, a few lines below.

Those 2 pitfalls shou