Default IP Address on All Distributions

Sargun Dhillon xbmodder+openmoko at
Thu Dec 18 20:27:55 CET 2008

The OpenMoko FreeRunner was never aimed at end users. It's always been
aimed at developers, and if you don't know how to set routes do a man
"ip" or "ip help." There are a fair chunk of those developers who
don't have the IP overlap issue. I'd say there are maybe 1000 active
freerunner users, and maybe 60% of them have an overlapping IP. I
counted how long it takes to change the IP (on debian) (including
adding routes, setting link up), and it was about 45 seconds. That's a
total of 7.5 man hours world wide. Installing active desktop, and all
the other crap for my palm phone takes 20-35 minutes--way longer.
Anyways, I'm just saying 7.5 global hours isn't very much when you're
considering mass market smart phones probably soak up millions of
hours a year. Additionally, 7.5 is NOTHING, especially when there are
6.5 billion people in the world. Stop yer whining.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
<hns at> wrote:
> Am 18.12.2008 um 19:50 schrieb Sargun Dhillon:
>> Most Linux users, or most users that this device is aimed at are
>> intelligent enough to do a
>> "ip addr add dev usb0"
>> "ip route add dev usb0"
>> This will only make two addresses on your network inaccessible. Then
>> you can SSH into it, and change the IP address. This takes a whole 5
>> minutes! It'll make you miserable to not have connectivity, I
>> understand, but just handle it.
> I read the discussion as the request to avoid the situation completely
> (spend 0 minutes) instead of handling it. Saves 10000 people 5 minutes
> each, i.e. 34.7 days. And, you have forgot that learning how to do
> that takes more than 5 minutes if you are not an experienced sysadmin.
>> We've finally standardized on a set of IPs, and -everyone- is happy
>> with it, except a few individuals who don't know how to use their
>> system.
> Hm, I always thought that the FR is aimed at the *mass market* Not for
> the 0.01% of individuals (i.e. PC users worldwide) who know by heart
> how to set IP routes...
> Just my 2ct.
> Nikolaus
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