ancient hardware? - Software matters
sean at openmoko.com
Mon Jul 7 16:26:50 CEST 2008
Yeah, I feel exactly the same way as Wolfgang. Actually I've forward
this email to many of our internal people just to make absolute sure
they read it.
Your comments seriously made my day.
Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
> thank you so much!
> You cannot believe how hard people at Openmoko work and getting a mail
> like yours rewards many of us for 12+ hours working days.
> It's a long way, lots of hardware and software bugs, we know it. I
> like your 'bad teeth' analogy :-)
> On Jul 7, 2008, at 6:57 PM, Tilman Baumann wrote:
>> I never had a phone for the last decade.
>> Mostly out of protest against the ridiculous data rates and prices on
>> GSM. And because all phones sucked.
>> I had sworn me, when UMTS would comes out and the prices are ok, i
>> buy a phone.
>> UMTS came, the prices where ok but the phones still sucked. And i did
>> not feel i would miss much.
>> And most important of all, i completely lost hope for all mobile phone
>> software. There where no iterative improvements. Features came ant
>> with no regular pattern. Phones did not get better with time, they
>> stagnated. They did not even managed to put all features in which they
>> had in earlier models.
>> And bad software did never get fixed. The only way to overcome bad
>> software was to by a new phone.
>> It never felt right for me to give them money for theyr bad service.
>> And all of them completely missed the point about having internet on a
>> mobile device. The franticly searched for the killer app for UMTS but
>> could not find any. But the killer app for phones was clearly IP (open
>> communication) and a open software stack.
>> Opensource was clearly the answer for all that.
>> Then things happended. Openmoko and the iPhone came. The iPhone
>> a big fire under the fat and lazy ass of phone manufacturers. They are
>> reminded that innovation is something that sells phones and makes
>> customers happy. But i'm sure those who will not burn to death will
>> manage to stand up for the next time.
>> Changes will happen slow. Its after all the mobile phones business. :)
>> And there was Openmoko. There was never any doubt for me that this
>> be the right answer to a good and healthy software evolution and
>> constant improvement for mobile phone software.
>> So i'm here. I broke my oath to never buy a GSM only phone (Neo
>> 1973). I
>> was not able to make stable phone calls for month with my rather
>> new phone.
>> But i was happy and i still am.
>> Sure. The hardware could be better. But this is something the industry
>> managed to do all the time.
>> We need to make software a important part of phone development.
>> This is where the industry (and subsequently the customer) needs help.
>> This is where a bunch of hackers can make a big difference.
>> I'm sure Openmoko started something important.
>> The vastly successful way of software evolution and development which
>> opensource provides will greatly improve all phones to come...
>> I'm happy that Fic gives us this stepping stone to change the world. I
>> gladly ignore some bad teeth of this horse. ;)
>> Ajit Natarajan wrote:
>>> I've seen a number of remarks on this list that the hardware in the
>>> is ancient and this is the price of openness and freedom.
>>> I did a quick search for some of the parts:
>>> The Samsung 2442 SoC seems to date back to 2005. I got this from the
>>> revision history in the user manual .
>>> The Antaris 4 GPS chip dates back to 2006. This is the from the 0635
>>> datasheet revision history .
>>> The Calypso GSM chip dates back to 2000. This is from the leaked
>>> hardware definition manual revision history .
>>> The Accton 3236 WiFi chip dates back to 2006. This is from the
>>> ``2006.12'' at the end of the datasheet .
>>> I haven't looked at the other chips.
>>> From the above, the GSM chip looks ancient. However, the other chips
>>> don't seem that old. And some recent devices are using these parts
>>> well. For example, the RoverPC C6 introduced in December 2007 uses
>>> Samsung 2442B at 300MHz.
>>> So, I don't understand the comments on ancient parts. What have we
>>> compromised on by choosing these parts?
>>>  http://cryptome.org/ti-calypso2.pdf
>>>  http://www.accton.com/products/Datasheet/WM3236A.AQ.pdf
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