In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."

Stroller stroller at
Fri Jul 18 05:24:55 CEST 2008

Ok. Finally! Done.

The main page is built up from, as I perceive it, an ugly mess of  

The box underneath the green "Introduction to Openmoko" (containing  
the "Original core team" ... "Why Openmoko?" links) is put there by  
referencing Template:Mainpage - this contains nothign but the box and  
inside that {{submenu}}. Template:Submenu, then contains the actual  
words and links of "Original core team" ... "Why Openmoko?".

Sorry to clutter the main list with this - I'll be off of here (as  
far as this subject goes) immediately the wiki mailing-list is  
created - but can anyone familiar with big wikis tell me if this is  

I'm all for breaking big wossisnames into components, but this seems  
a little excessive - I had to visit 3 pages in order to edit a single  


On 17 Jul 2008, at 21:29, Steven ** wrote:

> I'll tell you explicitly.  Go ahead.  It's a wiki!  If anyone doesn't
> like your change, they can easily see the history and revert it.  Or
> just clean up your change however they like.  That's what makes the
> wiki so powerful.
> If they didn't want you to edit it, I'm pretty sure they could lock it
> down so that you can't.  The fact that they haven't seems to mean they
> aren't worried "regular" users might edit it.
> -Steven
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Stroller
> <stroller at> wrote:
>> Hi there,
>> I thought to try fixing a small part of this particular problem by
>> editing the main page & adding a link to
>> wiki/Distributions
>> But I do not see where to put it! Perhaps it should replace the
>> "Current software stack" link to
>> NeoSoftwareStack ??
>> Perhaps these 5 categories:
>>   Introduction to Openmoko
>>   Openmoko Products
>>   Join Openmoko development
>>   Openmoko community
>>   Getting started with Openmoko Wiki
>> should be extended with the addition of "Openmoko software"?
>> Or perhaps I should just get my hands dirty and change the
>> "Introduction to Openmoko" to include the link to "Distributions"? As
>> a user I feel reluctant to edit the main page as I feel it "belongs"
>> to Openmoko the company or to Brenda, so you must tell me explicitly
>> if you wish me to feel free.
>> Stroller.
>> On 17 Jul 2008, at 20:00, steve wrote:
>>> Brenda
>>>   The main page index does not address Scotts issue.
>>>   I second scott's criticism of the wiki. It is not organized well.
>>>   A good start would be a better search engine
>>> Steve
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: community-bounces at
>>> [mailto:community-bounces at] On Behalf Of Brenda  
>>> Wang
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:56 AM
>>> To: scott at; List for Openmoko community discussion
>>> Subject: Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of
>>> mostly
>>> outdated and incomplete documentation."
>>> Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko.
>>> Thank you for your opinion . I will put more effort , to make wiki
>>> more easy
>>> to use.
>>> And now , If you want to know what we have on wiki , Please use
>>> this Index
>>> page.
>>> Brenda
>>> Scott Derrick ??:
>>>> Perhaps this is what you seek?
>>>> This is a great page, one of the gems hidden in the bowels of the
>>>> OM Wiki.
>>>> Its also a great example of whats wrong with the Wiki.
>>>> But how do I find it?  Its not listed on the home page,  not on the
>>>> FreeRunner page,  not on the getting started page?    Unless I  
>>>> search
>>>> for exactly teh right word or combinations of words I would never
>>>> know
>>>> it existed... The only link I could find, after I knew it  
>>>> existed was
>>>> Software/distributions/distributions..
>>>> There has to be some kind of boiler plate format for the design and
>>>> layout of the Wiki so things are easier to find. You can't rely on
>>>> the
>>>> search engine, it sucks..
>>>> I think that was the point of the person who recommended the  
>>>> OpenWRT
>>>> Wiki.  Its design and format was easy to use and helped you find
>>>> things instead of thwarting you.
>>>> Scott
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