In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostlyoutdated and incomplete documentation."

Michael Shiloh michael at openmoko.org
Mon Jul 21 20:13:50 CEST 2008



Josh Monson wrote:
> Has the list been created? The wiki-editors mailing list?

yes. it's called documentation.


> 
> Michael/Brenda,
> Is there any type of organizational plan at this point in terms of whom
> will be doing what, 

no, although i look to the original 4-5 volunteers to lead the effort.

if you want to be involved, the procedure should be this:

1. join the "documentation" mailing list
2. respectfully listen for a bit, to see how the list flows
3. make your offer of assistance, and let the "lead" volunteers guide you.
4. if you have comments or suggestions, it would be polite to wait a 
little longer to see how the active participants communicate amongst 
themselves, how they identify and organize the work, and what they are 
actually doing. they are probably already aware of whatever comment or 
idea you have, and it would be impolite to push them.






and will Brenda be coordinating the efforts I
> assume?

no.

i won't be in charge in any strong sense, but i'll be the company 
representative and will guide only when necessary. i really see the 
original volunteers as the leaders here.



> I know this has all come up very quickly so it's totally understandable
> if there is no plan as of yet :P. Just trying to get coordination
> rolling.


hope this helps
> 
> Cheers and thanks again
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org
> [mailto:community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of steve
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:24 PM
> To: 'Steven **'; 'List for Openmoko community discussion'
> Cc: 'Brenda Wang'
> Subject: RE: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of
> mostlyoutdated and incomplete documentation."
> 
> The issue is the wiki grows like a weed. On one hand this is great since
> information just get posted.
> On the other hand this rhapsodic construction is difficult to navigate. 
> 
> So... Solutions welcomed. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: montgoss at gmail.com [mailto:montgoss at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Steven
> **
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:29 PM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Cc: Brenda Wang; steve
> Subject: Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly
> outdated and incomplete documentation."
> 
> I'll tell you explicitly.  Go ahead.  It's a wiki!  If anyone doesn't
> like
> your change, they can easily see the history and revert it.  Or just
> clean
> up your change however they like.  That's what makes the wiki so
> powerful.
> 
> If they didn't want you to edit it, I'm pretty sure they could lock it
> down
> so that you can't.  The fact that they haven't seems to mean they aren't
> worried "regular" users might edit it.
> 
> -Steven
> 
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Stroller
> <stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
> wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I thought to try fixing a small part of this particular problem by 
>> editing the main page & adding a link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/ 
>> wiki/Distributions
>>
>> But I do not see where to put it! Perhaps it should replace the 
>> "Current software stack" link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ 
>> NeoSoftwareStack ??
>>
>> Perhaps these 5 categories:
>>   Introduction to Openmoko
>>   Openmoko Products
>>   Join Openmoko development
>>   Openmoko community
>>   Getting started with Openmoko Wiki
>> should be extended with the addition of "Openmoko software"?
>>
>> Or perhaps I should just get my hands dirty and change the 
>> "Introduction to Openmoko" to include the link to "Distributions"? As 
>> a user I feel reluctant to edit the main page as I feel it "belongs"
>> to Openmoko the company or to Brenda, so you must tell me explicitly 
>> if you wish me to feel free.
>>
>> Stroller.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17 Jul 2008, at 20:00, steve wrote:
>>
>>> Brenda
>>>
>>>   The main page index does not address Scotts issue.
>>>
>>>   I second scott's criticism of the wiki. It is not organized well.
>>>
>>>   A good start would be a better search engine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org
>>> [mailto:community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of Brenda 
>>> Wang
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:56 AM
>>> To: scott at tnstaafl.net; List for Openmoko community discussion
>>> Subject: Re: In the press. "The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of 
>>> mostly outdated and incomplete documentation."
>>>
>>> Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko.
>>> Thank you for your opinion . I will put more effort , to make wiki 
>>> more easy to use.
>>> And now , If you want to know what we have on wiki , Please use this 
>>> Index page.
>>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page
>>>
>>> Brenda
>>>
>>> Scott Derrick ??:
>>>> Perhaps this is what you seek?
>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> This is a great page, one of the gems hidden in the bowels of the OM
> 
>>>> Wiki.
>>>>
>>>> Its also a great example of whats wrong with the Wiki.
>>>>
>>>> But how do I find it?  Its not listed on the home page,  not on the
>>>> FreeRunner page,  not on the getting started page?    Unless I
> search
>>>> for exactly teh right word or combinations of words I would never 
>>>> know it existed... The only link I could find, after I knew it 
>>>> existed was Software/distributions/distributions..
>>>>
>>>> There has to be some kind of boiler plate format for the design and 
>>>> layout of the Wiki so things are easier to find. You can't rely on 
>>>> the search engine, it sucks..
>>>>
>>>> I think that was the point of the person who recommended the OpenWRT
> 
>>>> Wiki.  Its design and format was easy to use and helped you find 
>>>> things instead of thwarting you.
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
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