Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

Marcus Bauer marcus.bauer at
Wed Jul 30 09:32:00 CEST 2008

On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 13:37 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
> On 7/29/08 Marcus Bauer wrote:
> > On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 15:33 -0700, steve wrote:
> > > > Of course!!! Every toolkit  is allowed.
> > > > 
> > > > The whole point about FSO is to free people to pick their toolkit!
> > 
> > The opposite is true. FSO forces you into ASU. It basically makes all
> > work that has been put into OM2007.2 useless.
> > 
> > Please stop telling these lies.
> Marcus
> You do realize who you are talking to?

This is a childish question.

> This is person in charge of all 
> of marketing for Openmoko. If he says, "the point of something is..." 
> you should understand that he speaks for Openmoko. 

If he would be the pope, then I would understand that he speaks for the
catholic church and when he says "the point of something is..." I would
know he is infallible by definition.

But if the marketing guy (not sales guy as he pointed out) makes wrong
technical statements I have enough authority to correct them. (Simply go
over to Wikipedia and check for the word meritocracy and its connection
to open source.)

And I allow myself to counter your question: Do you realize who *you*
are talking to? 

I am part of your community and I have spent at least four full time
months of development for YOUR system. And opposed to you I am not paid.

If there is someone who should pay respect, how about you paying respect
to me?

> You can say what you 
> want about his ideas. But you have no basis whatsoever to say he's lieing.

FSO has nothing to do with "freeing people to pick their toolkit".
OM2007.2 offers the phonekit and eds (evolution data server). 

Both already allow for dbus abstraction and this whole argument is
stale. OpenedHand (the authors of OM2007.2) knew what they were doing:

        "OpenedHand is, IMHO, the most talented open source company in
        the world."

Those are your very own words Sean, picked from your website.

> So some respect.

I don't get your point here, Sean. Church-like respect is not what gets
things done. Having dreams is great, but then comes the point where you
need to wake up and deliver.

OM2007.2 is there, just lets use and refine it. 
The Neo Freerunner is there, just lets use and refine it. 
Since November 2006 we hear: "just a few more months".

There is no reason to wait for FSO and seeing how chaotic development
has been the past one and a half years I rather doubt that this will
ever be anything usable. It is a lot more important to get a community
of developers in here and a community of VAR (value added resellers).
And it is a lot more important to build up an ecosystem.

FSO is a questionable approach made by people with no industry
experience, fresh from university. I have to repeat that I would
strongly advise any third party developer to stay away from it.

Revive OM2007.2, spend time, energy and money for building an ecosystem
and get something out that others can build on. *Now*. Not in winter
2008 which then will be probaly summer 2009. Let your pet projects
FSO/ASU run in parallel and once they are there, the world will be

Do it like the ASUS eeePC. They didn't set out to change the world and
to compete with the MacBook Air. They have a rudimentary Linux System on
it and people love it. Many people even go on with the simple interface
while others reinstall their favourite system.

And yet ASUS started a revolution. Not because they follow their own
vision, but because they let people dream their own dreams.

Sean, on the one hand you talk about empty vessels and museums, on the
other hand fail to realize that it is already there. OM2007.2. Created
by the most talented open source company.

Staying in your metaphor of vessels I want to tell you: it is difficult
to set it on the water and let it go. Don't make the mistake and let it
sit on the dry until it is rotten. It is a venture to get out of your
dreams and into the real world.

Just lets do it.

As the Steve (the person without a last name, who is in charge of the
global marketing) has nice book suggestions, I recommend "The
Masterpiece" of Emile Zola. It is about a painter (who bears
biographical similarities with Paul Cezanne) who tries to paint his
masterpiece and never comes to finish it. 

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