Joseph Reeves iknowjoseph at
Mon Jun 23 19:21:08 CEST 2008

I can confirm Marcus' findings, although often mine were even slower.
The difference compared to the GTA01 is enormous. Unless TTFF improves
a great deal I can see A-GPS being necessary for all users of the
phone. I imagine a run once app that asks you to select what world
city you are closest to and populates all the required A-GPS data from
an included list of lat/long locations.

I've discussed this with Marcus before; one thing we wondered is
whether or not anyone else has tried it?


2008/6/23 Yorick Matthys <yorick_matthys at>:
> Marcus Bauer said:
>>My experience with the Freerunner is ~12 minutes TTFF (time to first
>>fix) without use of agps and ~4-8 minutes TTFF with agps from
>> using the software from openmoko.
>>The Neo1973 (GTA01) had a TTFF without agps assistance of ~2 min.
> 12 minutes without AGPS and 4-8min with AGPS??
> I hope there was a thunderstorm inside the basement where you tested this... :)
> Seriously, these just don't seem realistic.
> Compare them for example with some other devices from 2003:
> Or from ublox: (table at the bottom of the page)
> Surely there must be something wrong with your software/settings/hardware/environment...
> (or maybe they still have a lot of work to do on the GPS :))
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