FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

Timo Jyrinki timo.jyrinki at
Tue Mar 18 15:17:36 CET 2008

2008/3/18, Mark <wolfmane at>:
>>Yes, it plays many closed, proprietary formats out-of-the-box, but
>>none of the open formats like ogg vorbis, ogg theora, flac, speex,
>>dirac. So it does not play any of my music out-of-the-box, and I'd
>>prefer to support vendors that support those formats.
>  You're speaking with forked tongue here: no other device plays all
>  those out of the box either, including full Linux desktops.

I find it very hard to believe you read what people are writing, are
not troll or whatever. Linux desktops do play the open formats I
mentioned, that's the benefit from using open formats. Also some music
devices support open audio formats like the mentioned Vorbis and FLAC.
I mainly use Vorbis.

>  store my media in 15 different formats just so I can say I'm using
>  an open format. If I can't drag and drop the same file onto each
>  and every one of my devices and have it play perfectly, I'm not
>  going to bother.

I use only 2 formats, and they are both open. Your problem is using
products that do not support open formats. That's why I'm only buying
hardware that supports open formats, so I don't get into the format
hell where every proprietary codec owners (mp3, aac, wma...) wants
their format to be the one everyone uses, and no-one, especially any
open product, can support them all (or any of them) since all require
license fees. Open formats would solve the problem.

>  And "lossless" formats are a joke. They use such prodigious amounts
>  of storage space that there's really no point at all. Just use the
>  original media!

Off-topic, but CDs are much more cumbersome to use, and yes I mostly
use lossy format (Vorbis) instead of FLAC when I use music I've copied
from my CDs. I also buy music in FLAC and transcode it to Vorbis for
mobile devices.

>  Ogg support is a few taps of the stylus away for IT OS2008.

The point was, again, that the vendor does not _support_ it or other
open formats, which is far more important than how easy it's to
install programs/support manually. I already stated it as clearly as I
could it.

>You're way exaggerating
>the situation. You also deliberately left out xvid, which OS2008
>plays through mplayer, also only a few taps away.

Xvid is MPEG-4 which equals to patent-encumbered format that requires
license fees, so it's not open/free format so I didn't mention it
because I'm not interested in it.

> Vaporware is not the way to attract customers.

It seems to have very strongly attracted you according to the amount
of stuff you keep on posting and repeating.


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