From michael at openmoko.org Wed Oct 1 00:02:27 2008 From: michael at openmoko.org (Michael Shiloh) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:02:27 -0700 Subject: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone In-Reply-To: References: <7522659.2001222803356110.JavaMail.root@collab> <7315002509521326c3758eeb78aef813@localhost> <48E295E9.4080103@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <48E2A1F3.7090303@openmoko.org> > Thanks for this helpfully complete characterization. Since you found it illuminating, I'll add it to the wiki > Do you happen to know if a Nokia battery (such as the BL-5c) will > charge in the FreeRunner? Excellent question. That's the one case I left out. I'm pretty sure it does, because I'm pretty sure that we do not check for battery brand. Any checking of battery brand would happen in software, where we can see it (and remove if desired). True, there is a chip that handles charging, but I'm pretty sure that battery brand is not one of the parameters we feed it. Perhaps one of the kernel people can confirm this. Michael From andy at openmoko.com Wed Oct 1 00:11:00 2008 From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:11:00 +0100 Subject: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone In-Reply-To: <48E2A1F3.7090303@openmoko.org> References: <7522659.2001222803356110.JavaMail.root@collab> <7315002509521326c3758eeb78aef813@localhost> <48E295E9.4080103@openmoko.org> <48E2A1F3.7090303@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <48E2A3F4.6060204@openmoko.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: |> Thanks for this helpfully complete characterization. | | Since you found it illuminating, I'll add it to the wiki | |> Do you happen to know if a Nokia battery (such as the BL-5c) will |> charge in the FreeRunner? | | Excellent question. That's the one case I left out. I'm pretty sure it | does, because I'm pretty sure that we do not check for battery brand. | | Any checking of battery brand would happen in software, where we can see | it (and remove if desired). | | True, there is a chip that handles charging, but I'm pretty sure that | battery brand is not one of the parameters we feed it. Perhaps one of | the kernel people can confirm this. Right, we are clueless what that battery is for charging purposes, it'll give it a go charging it in a fairly adaptive way if the terminals line up with the battery socket. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjio+4ACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqoAgCaA+hAgTrlhTyCB7HNqX/38GY/ 3poAoIfVSn2AidbpusOZLhyXZvm/Lfrd =v47k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From steve at openmoko.com Wed Oct 1 00:23:40 2008 From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:23:40 -0700 Subject: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone In-Reply-To: <48E295E9.4080103@openmoko.org> References: <7522659.2001222803356110.JavaMail.root@collab> <7315002509521326c3758eeb78aef813@localhost> <48E295E9.4080103@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <48E2A6EC.1080209@openmoko.com> verify and place in the wiki or FAQ Michael Shiloh wrote: >> The battery usually lays in just like it does in the phone. The battery >> will fit into the Nokia, but I'd be surprised if the Nokia agreed to charge >> it, since it won't recognize it. > > Exactly right. My understanding is this: > > Nokia devices (phones and stand-alone chargers) will not charge > non-Nokia batteries, most likely because they can't be sure they have > the correct charging parameters. > > Most after-market or no-name brands of Nokia-compatible chargers don't > test the make of the battery, most likely because adding the capability > to perform this test would add to the cost of the charger. > > Thus: > > * You can use a Nokia or Nokia-compatible BL-4C, BL-5C, or BL-6C in the Neo > > * You can charge the Neo battery in a Nokia-compatible charger that is > not Nokia branded > > * You can NOT charge the Neo battery in a Nokia branded phone or charger > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From atilla.filiz at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 00:26:05 2008 From: atilla.filiz at gmail.com (Atilla Filiz) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 00:26:05 +0200 Subject: Debian size and uSD Message-ID: <6016f9080809301526w4d70975an3dac5338171f9501@mail.gmail.com> After I installed Debian on my stock uSD, i realized that Debian is _BIG_. There are tons of libraries installed. I think a lighter Debian is possible, any ideas? Another thing is I bought a 2G uSD and I want to move my debian system to that card. If I manually partition it (8MB fat and rest ext2) and just copy contents of 512M, would it work? Or maybe i can copy an image using dd and then somehow resize the partition. Anyone tried migrating from one SD to another? -- --------------------------------------------------------- Bu mesaj UTF-8 ile kodlanm??t?r --------------------------------------------------------- Atilla Filiz Technische Universiteit Eindhoven Embedded Systems, Master's Programme -------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/37796a0f/attachment.htm From klemmster at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 00:56:12 2008 From: klemmster at gmail.com (Richy) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 00:56:12 +0200 Subject: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released! In-Reply-To: <48E27977.2030900@trolltech.com> References: <48DCB3E0.3000209@trolltech.com> <48E270B2.9050300@trolltech.com> <164c96680809301148t7e2e3dcdrf737e78ea068a503@mail.gmail.com> <48E27977.2030900@trolltech.com> Message-ID: <9e7398030809301556v63c1438cga99efc3a4f53d459@mail.gmail.com> Wow, this ist soooo much faster/more responsive than FDOM/2008.9 on my phone. Is this just my phone or is this the difference between framebuffer and X11? On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Lorn Potter wrote: > Thomas Bertani wrote: >> wow! confirmed new features? gtalk, webbrowser, gps? >> In videos I can't see screen orientation, it is aviable? > > Yes. dynamic rotation is available. > >> >> Thanks a lot for your work! > > no worries! > >> >> 2008/9/30 Lorn Potter > >> >> ? wrote: >> > C?dric Berger wrote: >> >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 13:50, "Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o)" >> >> > wrote: >> >>> Is has been renamed to Qt Extended right now, isn't it? >> >>> >> >>> However there are some very interesting videos on the net [1] >> >> renamed indeed... I had not seen this before : >> >> http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/09/28/qt-extended/ >> > >> > Finally there are official news: Qt Extended 4.4 released [1]! >> > >> > Look at the many cool videos and see how the Freerunner works [2], >> > but... Where are sources and binaries? >> >> We usually release the open source packages a couple days after the >> commercial release. >> >> They will be at the new site: >> http://qtextended.org >> >> As soon as I can. Hopefully by this weekend. >> >> -- >> Lorn 'ljp' Potter >> Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > -- > Lorn 'ljp' Potter > Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From mail at 3v1n0.net Wed Oct 1 01:11:19 2008 From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcmNvIFRyZXZpc2FuIChUcmV2acOxbyki?=) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:11:19 +0200 Subject: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released! In-Reply-To: <164c96680809301148t7e2e3dcdrf737e78ea068a503@mail.gmail.com> References: <48DCB3E0.3000209@trolltech.com> <48E270B2.9050300@trolltech.com> <164c96680809301148t7e2e3dcdrf737e78ea068a503@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thomas Bertani wrote: > wow! confirmed new features? gtalk, webbrowser, gps? > In videos I can't see screen orientation, it is aviable? Look at the modules... There's a shot [1]! [1] http://trolltech.com/images/products/screenshot-deskphone-ui-sunset -- Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ From mail at 3v1n0.net Wed Oct 1 01:17:46 2008 From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcmNvIFRyZXZpc2FuIChUcmV2acOxbyki?=) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:17:46 +0200 Subject: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released! In-Reply-To: <48E270B2.9050300@trolltech.com> References: <48DCB3E0.3000209@trolltech.com> <48E270B2.9050300@trolltech.com> Message-ID: Lorn Potter wrote: > I wrote: >> but... Where are sources and binaries? > > We usually release the open source packages a couple days after the > commercial release. > > They will be at the new site: > http://qtextended.org > > As soon as I can. Hopefully by this weekend. Cool... Btw I've seen that there are also some commercial (premium) modules that could be integrated with Qtopia, also if they're not open source. Well, will be there a way to get the torch mobile browser, for example? According to its homepage, it shouldn't be free (as speech) but it seems at least freeware. I don't like too much these things, but it could be a good tool for who needs a better browser. Also the eZi keyboard seems quite pretty... :| [1] http://trolltech.com/products/device-creation/qt-extended/premium-modules/torch-mobile -- Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ From roguemoko at roguewrt.org Wed Oct 1 01:22:16 2008 From: roguemoko at roguewrt.org (Sarton O'Brien) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:22:16 +1000 Subject: Debian size and uSD In-Reply-To: <6016f9080809301526w4d70975an3dac5338171f9501@mail.gmail.com> References: <6016f9080809301526w4d70975an3dac5338171f9501@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810010922.16602.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> On Wednesday 01 October 2008 08:26:05 Atilla Filiz wrote: > After I installed Debian on my stock uSD, i realized that Debian is _BIG_. > There are tons of libraries installed. I think a lighter Debian is > possible, any ideas? > Another thing is I bought a 2G uSD and I want to move my debian system to > that card. If I manually partition it (8MB fat and rest ext2) and just copy > contents of 512M, would it work? Or maybe i can copy an image using dd and > then somehow resize the partition. Anyone tried migrating from one SD to > another? You could use copy but tar tends to be a better alternative. Just tar up your rootfs and then extract to your new card. Under most *nix variants you need to extract using the 'p' parameter to preserve file permissions. Also make sure you are not mounted with the option 'nodev'. With a new u-boot it's also possible to consolidate the kernel and rootfs into one partition to ease kernel upgrades. Sarton From roguemoko at roguewrt.org Wed Oct 1 01:27:57 2008 From: roguemoko at roguewrt.org (Sarton O'Brien) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:27:57 +1000 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <30665518.2031222804358114.JavaMail.root@collab> References: <30665518.2031222804358114.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: <200810010927.57441.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> On Wednesday 01 October 2008 05:52:38 Vince M. Clark wrote: > I've tried that, as well as the wall charger. The battery is totally dead > and my fr will not boot, regardless of how long I leave it plugged in. 6 - 8 hours on the wall charger is not unusual for my dead battery to start to function. How long have you left it? Sarton From mokowatch at projektenterprises.com Wed Oct 1 01:31:17 2008 From: mokowatch at projektenterprises.com (Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:31:17 -0700 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <2789726.1941222801447844.JavaMail.root@collab> References: <2789726.1941222801447844.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: <48E2B6C5.9000804@projektenterprises.com> Vince M. Clark wrote: > My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. > > The following thread offered three possible solutions: > http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html > > Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work > with the Freerunner battery? > > Vince Clark > vclark at globalera.com > (303) 493-6723 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn From vclark at globalera.com Wed Oct 1 01:31:22 2008 From: vclark at globalera.com (Vince M. Clark) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:31:22 -0600 (MDT) Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <200810010927.57441.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> Message-ID: <21469855.2191222817482396.JavaMail.root@collab> Not that long on the wall charger. I'll leave it overnight and see what happens. I have left in on the USB charger for a few hours with no luck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarton O'Brien" To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:27:57 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery On Wednesday 01 October 2008 05:52:38 Vince M. Clark wrote: > I've tried that, as well as the wall charger. The battery is totally dead > and my fr will not boot, regardless of how long I leave it plugged in. 6 - 8 hours on the wall charger is not unusual for my dead battery to start to function. How long have you left it? Sarton _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20080930/66f7d747/attachment.htm From vclark at globalera.com Wed Oct 1 01:33:48 2008 From: vclark at globalera.com (Vince M. Clark) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:33:48 -0600 (MDT) Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <48E2B6C5.9000804@projektenterprises.com> Message-ID: <1571666.2221222817628325.JavaMail.root@collab> Thanks Shawn. I have tried NOR boot (holding aux button while pressing power button, then releasing aux button.) I cannot even get that far. I'm going to leave it plugged into the wall charger overnight and see what happens. In the meantime i ordered an after market Nokia battery charger. They are cheap but it looks like it may take a week or so to get it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn \"prjktdtnt\" Thompson" To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:31:17 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Vince M. Clark wrote: > My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. > > The following thread offered three possible solutions: > http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html > > Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work > with the Freerunner battery? > > Vince Clark > vclark at globalera.com > (303) 493-6723 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20080930/2c8b1244/attachment.htm From mokowatch at projektenterprises.com Wed Oct 1 01:37:22 2008 From: mokowatch at projektenterprises.com (Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:37:22 -0700 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <1571666.2221222817628325.JavaMail.root@collab> References: <1571666.2221222817628325.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: <48E2B832.3040605@projektenterprises.com> Vince M. Clark wrote: > Thanks Shawn. I have tried NOR boot (holding aux button while pressing > power button, then releasing aux button.) I cannot even get that far. > I'm going to leave it plugged into the wall charger overnight and see > what happens. In the meantime i ordered an after market Nokia battery > charger. They are cheap but it looks like it may take a week or so to > get it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shawn \"prjktdtnt\" Thompson" > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:31:17 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver > Subject: Re: dead battery > > Vince M. Clark wrote: > > My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. > > > > The following thread offered three possible solutions: > > > http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html > > > > Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work > > with the Freerunner battery? > > > > Vince Clark > > vclark at globalera.com > > (303) 493-6723 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > Vince, > When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied > charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it > timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the > NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. > > -Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > When trying to get into NOR do you already have it plugged into your charger? That is how I was able to finally get mine to boot, you only need the actual OpenMoko charger until it starts up then you can use whatever USB charger you prefer. Just plug into wall-socket and phone, start NOR twice, viola. -Shawn From vclark at globalera.com Wed Oct 1 01:41:11 2008 From: vclark at globalera.com (Vince M. Clark) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:41:11 -0600 (MDT) Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <48E2B832.3040605@projektenterprises.com> Message-ID: <7317620.2281222818071384.JavaMail.root@collab> Yes. I have my fr plugged into the OpenMoko wall charger. Then I try NOR boot but nothing happens. I have tried NOR boot plugged in and not plugged in. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn \"prjktdtnt\" Thompson" To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:37:22 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Vince M. Clark wrote: > Thanks Shawn. I have tried NOR boot (holding aux button while pressing > power button, then releasing aux button.) I cannot even get that far. > I'm going to leave it plugged into the wall charger overnight and see > what happens. In the meantime i ordered an after market Nokia battery > charger. They are cheap but it looks like it may take a week or so to > get it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shawn \"prjktdtnt\" Thompson" > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:31:17 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver > Subject: Re: dead battery > > Vince M. Clark wrote: > > My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. > > > > The following thread offered three possible solutions: > > > http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html > > > > Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work > > with the Freerunner battery? > > > > Vince Clark > > vclark at globalera.com > > (303) 493-6723 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > Vince, > When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied > charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it > timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the > NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. > > -Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > When trying to get into NOR do you already have it plugged into your charger? That is how I was able to finally get mine to boot, you only need the actual OpenMoko charger until it starts up then you can use whatever USB charger you prefer. Just plug into wall-socket and phone, start NOR twice, viola. -Shawn _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20080930/b12306b6/attachment.htm From roguemoko at roguewrt.org Wed Oct 1 01:44:07 2008 From: roguemoko at roguewrt.org (Sarton O'Brien) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:44:07 +1000 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <21469855.2191222817482396.JavaMail.root@collab> References: <21469855.2191222817482396.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: <200810010944.07451.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:31:22 Vince M. Clark wrote: > Not that long on the wall charger. I'll leave it overnight and see what > happens. > > I have left in on the USB charger for a few hours with no luck. The 'leave it overnight' scenario is the best one I encounter for a dead battery ;) ... I think you'll be right. Sarton From mokowatch at projektenterprises.com Wed Oct 1 01:45:08 2008 From: mokowatch at projektenterprises.com (Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:45:08 -0700 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <7317620.2281222818071384.JavaMail.root@collab> References: <7317620.2281222818071384.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: <48E2BA04.70604@projektenterprises.com> Vince M. Clark wrote: > Yes. I have my fr plugged into the OpenMoko wall charger. Then I try > NOR boot but nothing happens. I have tried NOR boot plugged in and not > plugged in. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shawn \"prjktdtnt\" Thompson" > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:37:22 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver > Subject: Re: dead battery > > Vince M. Clark wrote: > > Thanks Shawn. I have tried NOR boot (holding aux button while pressing > > power button, then releasing aux button.) I cannot even get that far. > > I'm going to leave it plugged into the wall charger overnight and see > > what happens. In the meantime i ordered an after market Nokia battery > > charger. They are cheap but it looks like it may take a week or so to > > get it. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Shawn \"prjktdtnt\" Thompson" > > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:31:17 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver > > Subject: Re: dead battery > > > > Vince M. Clark wrote: > > > My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. > > > > > > The following thread offered three possible solutions: > > > > > > http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html > > > > > > Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work > > > with the Freerunner battery? > > > > > > Vince Clark > > > vclark at globalera.com > > > (303) 493-6723 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Openmoko community mailing list > > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > Vince, > > When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied > > charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it > > timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the > > NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. > > > > -Shawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > When trying to get into NOR do you already have it plugged into your > charger? That is how I was able to finally get mine to boot, you only > need the actual OpenMoko charger until it starts up then you can use > whatever USB charger you prefer. Just plug into wall-socket and phone, > start NOR twice, viola. > > -Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Odd. Sadly that is the only way I was able to get mine going again, would be nice to see a patch that corrects the issue somehow so that people don't have to use workarounds in the future. -Shawn From jeroenbreg at hotmail.com Wed Oct 1 01:46:51 2008 From: jeroenbreg at hotmail.com (Tha_Man) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [debian] install failure, fso-frameworkd is not going to be installed In-Reply-To: <49dd78620809301334wceb6fdaw63cfbd1251008670@mail.gmail.com> References: <49dd78620809280614x3d5c7dd9wfc3f5ecaf2d00b8a@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620809281018n73975b1fga553dde8b8bd833@mail.gmail.com> <8ef925aa0809281305t1e910f5bn1b43a06fb035320e@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620809281320h7177778fsc43ab7da2f067777@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620809281349u1a0d9f83iec423db9380df4b1@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620809301334wceb6fdaw63cfbd1251008670@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222818411802-1130308.post@n2.nabble.com> Neil Jerram wrote: > > 2008/9/28 Neil Jerram : > > Solution! > - Put both testing and unstable in your sources.list. > - Install aptitude. (Possibly not actually necessary, but I'm used to > it.) > - Using aptitude: > - Install libcaca0 and libcucul0, taking care to choose the "14" > versions rather than the "15" ones. > - Install gstreamer0.10-plugins-good. > - Install fso-frameworkd. > - Now it is clear that the dependency issue is solved, so back out to > the shell and the installer script: > ./install.sh fso > /etc/init.d/qpe stop # if you are running Qtopia, as I am > umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 > umount /dev/mmcblk0p2 > ./install.sh mount configuration kernel unmount > > Regards, > Neil > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > Great find! I ran into this yesterday as well, but I have another question: I'm using Om2008.9 to install Debian on my Freerunner, how do I 'install' libcaca0 and libcucul0? I know I can access the card, but how do I install these libs to it? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--install-failure%2C-fso-frameworkd-is-not-going-to-be-installed-tp1124046p1130308.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From roguemoko at roguewrt.org Wed Oct 1 01:48:19 2008 From: roguemoko at roguewrt.org (Sarton O'Brien) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:48:19 +1000 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <48E2B832.3040605@projektenterprises.com> References: <1571666.2221222817628325.JavaMail.root@collab> <48E2B832.3040605@projektenterprises.com> Message-ID: <200810010948.19216.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:37:22 Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson wrote: > Vince M. Clark wrote: > > Thanks Shawn. I have tried NOR boot (holding aux button while pressing > > power button, then releasing aux button.) I cannot even get that far. > > I'm going to leave it plugged into the wall charger overnight and see > > what happens. In the meantime i ordered an after market Nokia battery > > charger. They are cheap but it looks like it may take a week or so to > > get it. > > > > Vince, > > When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied > > charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it > > timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the > > NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. > > When trying to get into NOR do you already have it plugged into your > charger? That is how I was able to finally get mine to boot, you only > need the actual OpenMoko charger until it starts up then you can use > whatever USB charger you prefer. Just plug into wall-socket and phone, > start NOR twice, viola. Not to be a killjoy but I think there may be varied levels of 'dead'. I've had a similar situation but it's not always he case. When you can't get anything to happen, the only solution is to plug it in and go to bed (assuming you have no other options at hand). Sarton From roguemoko at roguewrt.org Wed Oct 1 01:52:32 2008 From: roguemoko at roguewrt.org (Sarton O'Brien) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:52:32 +1000 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <48E2BA04.70604@projektenterprises.com> References: <7317620.2281222818071384.JavaMail.root@collab> <48E2BA04.70604@projektenterprises.com> Message-ID: <200810010952.32395.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:45:08 Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson wrote: > Odd. Sadly that is the only way I was able to get mine going again, > would be nice to see a patch that corrects the issue somehow so that > people don't have to use workarounds in the future. > -Shawn I don't think it is as complicated as that. I think it's merely the amount of charge the FR is able to negotiate when powered off. Depending on the level of 'dead' determines how long you need to trickle charge it before anything useful occurs. I'd say battery maintenance and usage patterns may contribute also. From what I have seen on this list, I don't think this situation will change in a hurry, if ever. Sarton From mokowatch at projektenterprises.com Wed Oct 1 01:56:00 2008 From: mokowatch at projektenterprises.com (Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:56:00 -0700 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <200810010952.32395.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> References: <7317620.2281222818071384.JavaMail.root@collab> <48E2BA04.70604@projektenterprises.com> <200810010952.32395.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> Message-ID: <48E2BC90.2090806@projektenterprises.com> Sarton O'Brien wrote: > On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:45:08 Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson wrote: > >> Odd. Sadly that is the only way I was able to get mine going again, >> would be nice to see a patch that corrects the issue somehow so that >> people don't have to use workarounds in the future. >> -Shawn >> > > I don't think it is as complicated as that. I think it's merely the amount of > charge the FR is able to negotiate when powered off. Depending on the level of > 'dead' determines how long you need to trickle charge it before anything > useful occurs. > > I'd say battery maintenance and usage patterns may contribute also. > > From what I have seen on this list, I don't think this situation will change > in a hurry, if ever. > > Sarton > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > What I had meant is that I hope they find away to allow 1000mA charging while powered off so that you don't have to let it tricle charge for the entire night to power it on at only partial power. Of all the phones I've owned none of them had this problem and it's probably the most annoying problem I can think of with the OpenMoko. Lucikly for me I'm the type to plug in my phone daily so it isn't a problem but I could see it becoming one in the future when more and more people start using the OpenMoko products. -Shawn From vclark at globalera.com Wed Oct 1 01:55:25 2008 From: vclark at globalera.com (Vince M. Clark) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:55:25 -0600 (MDT) Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <200810010952.32395.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> Message-ID: <15547010.2311222818925625.JavaMail.root@collab> As long as it eventually comes back on I'm fine. I didn't realize that the wall charger would eventually get enough charge in the battery to boot it. My impression from the other thread was that once the battery was dead you were screwed without an external charger or extra battery. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarton O'Brien" To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:52:32 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:45:08 Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson wrote: > Odd. Sadly that is the only way I was able to get mine going again, > would be nice to see a patch that corrects the issue somehow so that > people don't have to use workarounds in the future. > -Shawn I don't think it is as complicated as that. I think it's merely the amount of charge the FR is able to negotiate when powered off. Depending on the level of 'dead' determines how long you need to trickle charge it before anything useful occurs. I'd say battery maintenance and usage patterns may contribute also. >From what I have seen on this list, I don't think this situation will change in a hurry, if ever. Sarton _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20080930/95cfb4cb/attachment.htm From mokowatch at projektenterprises.com Wed Oct 1 01:58:57 2008 From: mokowatch at projektenterprises.com (Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:58:57 -0700 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <15547010.2311222818925625.JavaMail.root@collab> References: <15547010.2311222818925625.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: <48E2BD41.8050908@projektenterprises.com> Vince M. Clark wrote: > As long as it eventually comes back on I'm fine. I didn't realize that > the wall charger would eventually get enough charge in the battery to > boot it. My impression from the other thread was that once the battery > was dead you were screwed without an external charger or extra battery. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sarton O'Brien" > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:52:32 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver > Subject: Re: dead battery > > On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:45:08 Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson wrote: > > Odd. Sadly that is the only way I was able to get mine going again, > > would be nice to see a patch that corrects the issue somehow so that > > people don't have to use workarounds in the future. > > -Shawn > > I don't think it is as complicated as that. I think it's merely the > amount of > charge the FR is able to negotiate when powered off. Depending on the > level of > 'dead' determines how long you need to trickle charge it before anything > useful occurs. > > I'd say battery maintenance and usage patterns may contribute also. > > From what I have seen on this list, I don't think this situation will > change > in a hurry, if ever. > > Sarton > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Nope, don't need the external, but if it is flat dead to where NOR won't start you'll be a few hours (charges at 50mA IIRC) before you can even try again. -Shawn From vclark at globalera.com Wed Oct 1 01:58:40 2008 From: vclark at globalera.com (Vince M. Clark) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:58:40 -0600 (MDT) Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <48E2BD41.8050908@projektenterprises.com> Message-ID: <6717938.2341222819120531.JavaMail.root@collab> Got it. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn \"prjktdtnt\" Thompson" To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:58:57 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Vince M. Clark wrote: > As long as it eventually comes back on I'm fine. I didn't realize that > the wall charger would eventually get enough charge in the battery to > boot it. My impression from the other thread was that once the battery > was dead you were screwed without an external charger or extra battery. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sarton O'Brien" > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:52:32 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver > Subject: Re: dead battery > > On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:45:08 Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson wrote: > > Odd. Sadly that is the only way I was able to get mine going again, > > would be nice to see a patch that corrects the issue somehow so that > > people don't have to use workarounds in the future. > > -Shawn > > I don't think it is as complicated as that. I think it's merely the > amount of > charge the FR is able to negotiate when powered off. Depending on the > level of > 'dead' determines how long you need to trickle charge it before anything > useful occurs. > > I'd say battery maintenance and usage patterns may contribute also. > > From what I have seen on this list, I don't think this situation will > change > in a hurry, if ever. > > Sarton > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Nope, don't need the external, but if it is flat dead to where NOR won't start you'll be a few hours (charges at 50mA IIRC) before you can even try again. -Shawn _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20080930/fd016128/attachment.htm From lpotter at trolltech.com Wed Oct 1 02:14:40 2008 From: lpotter at trolltech.com (Lorn Potter) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:14:40 +1000 Subject: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released! In-Reply-To: References: <48DCB3E0.3000209@trolltech.com> <48E270B2.9050300@trolltech.com> Message-ID: <48E2C0F0.50608@trolltech.com> Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote: > Lorn Potter wrote: >> I wrote: >>> but... Where are sources and binaries? >> We usually release the open source packages a couple days after the >> commercial release. >> >> They will be at the new site: >> http://qtextended.org >> >> As soon as I can. Hopefully by this weekend. > > Cool... Btw I've seen that there are also some commercial (premium) > modules that could be integrated with Qtopia, also if they're not open > source. Well, will be there a way to get the torch mobile browser, for > example? This is the full functionality Iris web browser. This was not developed by Qt Software. There is a simple example web browser in the qtextended sources. You would have to contact the premium module companies to find out if they are releasing a version for the Neo. None of the 'premium' modules were developed by Qt Software. Qt Extended is fully dual licensed. > According to its homepage, it shouldn't be free (as speech) but it seems > at least freeware. I don't like too much these things, but it could be a > good tool for who needs a better browser. > > Also the eZi keyboard seems quite pretty... :| > > > [1] > http://trolltech.com/products/device-creation/qt-extended/premium-modules/torch-mobile From roguemoko at roguewrt.org Wed Oct 1 02:18:04 2008 From: roguemoko at roguewrt.org (Sarton O'Brien) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:18:04 +1000 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <48E2BC90.2090806@projektenterprises.com> References: <7317620.2281222818071384.JavaMail.root@collab> <200810010952.32395.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> <48E2BC90.2090806@projektenterprises.com> Message-ID: <200810011018.04716.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:56:00 Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson wrote: > What I had meant is that I hope they find away to allow 1000mA charging > while powered off so that you don't have to let it tricle charge for the > entire night to power it on at only partial power. Of all the phones > I've owned none of them had this problem and it's probably the most > annoying problem I can think of with the OpenMoko. Lucikly for me I'm > the type to plug in my phone daily so it isn't a problem but I could see > it becoming one in the future when more and more people start using the > OpenMoko products Yes, I understand. I got the impression it was a design flaw and not something that could be addressed, that's all. I could be completely wrong though. Maybe the phone can go into some kind of holding pattern when close to flat or something, to mitigate the effect. If it's something a u-boot update can fix then that would awesome ... but I'm not holding my breath. Sarton From uzytkownik2 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 02:12:15 2008 From: uzytkownik2 at gmail.com (Maciej Piechotka) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:12:15 +0200 Subject: Stable OM distro Message-ID: <877i8tcgww.fsf@news.piechotka.com.pl> What's currently the most stable? I'd need to: - Entry pin (I haven't manage to do it in 2008.8 despite moving pen up) - Phone/Recive SMS - Have GPS/WiFi - Have USB Networking for initial setup FSO: Not stable (breakes calls, not recive sms etc.) 2008.8: Can't enter pin 2007.11: Breakes after update (cannot boot) celtune: usb0: no such device I had perfectly set-up phone but it had broken and I had it replaced. Regards -- I've probably left my head... somewhere. Please wait untill I find it. Homepage (pl_PL): http://uzytkownik.jogger.pl/ (GNU/)Linux User: #425935 (see http://counter.li.org/) From mokowatch at projektenterprises.com Wed Oct 1 02:20:59 2008 From: mokowatch at projektenterprises.com (Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:20:59 -0700 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <200810011018.04716.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> References: <7317620.2281222818071384.JavaMail.root@collab> <200810010952.32395.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> <48E2BC90.2090806@projektenterprises.com> <200810011018.04716.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> Message-ID: <48E2C26B.50206@projektenterprises.com> Sarton O'Brien wrote: > On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:56:00 Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson wrote: > >> What I had meant is that I hope they find away to allow 1000mA charging >> while powered off so that you don't have to let it tricle charge for the >> entire night to power it on at only partial power. Of all the phones >> I've owned none of them had this problem and it's probably the most >> annoying problem I can think of with the OpenMoko. Lucikly for me I'm >> the type to plug in my phone daily so it isn't a problem but I could see >> it becoming one in the future when more and more people start using the >> OpenMoko products >> > > Yes, I understand. I got the impression it was a design flaw and not something > that could be addressed, that's all. I could be completely wrong though. > Maybe the phone can go into some kind of holding pattern when close to flat or > something, to mitigate the effect. If it's something a u-boot update can fix > then that would awesome ... but I'm not holding my breath. > > Sarton > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > That is how I understood it too but that is something that if they're unable to address on 1973/FreeRunner they need to address before GTA03, IMO. -Shawn From mokowatch at projektenterprises.com Wed Oct 1 02:22:33 2008 From: mokowatch at projektenterprises.com (Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:22:33 -0700 Subject: Stable OM distro In-Reply-To: <877i8tcgww.fsf@news.piechotka.com.pl> References: <877i8tcgww.fsf@news.piechotka.com.pl> Message-ID: <48E2C2C9.7000402@projektenterprises.com> Maciej Piechotka wrote: > What's currently the most stable? > I'd need to: > - Entry pin (I haven't manage to do it in 2008.8 despite moving pen up) > - Phone/Recive SMS > - Have GPS/WiFi > - Have USB Networking for initial setup > > FSO: Not stable (breakes calls, not recive sms etc.) > 2008.8: Can't enter pin > 2007.11: Breakes after update (cannot boot) > celtune: usb0: no such device > > I had perfectly set-up phone but it had broken and I had it replaced. > > Regards > Maciej, Have you given Qtopia a shot? Also try the trick with 2008 again, sometimes if you slide the pen up on the keyboard it doesn't register, took me a few tries to get it two switch keyboards. Also give FDOM a shot, it's like 2008 but has extra programs by default and the keyboard has an easier selection method. -Shawn From roguemoko at roguewrt.org Wed Oct 1 02:35:12 2008 From: roguemoko at roguewrt.org (Sarton O'Brien) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:35:12 +1000 Subject: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable In-Reply-To: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <200810011035.12348.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> On Tuesday 30 September 2008 19:06:28 Matthias Apitz wrote: > this works very unreliable; in (let's say) 8 of 10 cases it can't > associate to the AP, even not after fresh re-boots and independently if > the AP at my home works with WEP or in my office with WPA; > > what can I do? is someone willing to look into the debug output of the > wpa_supplicant? or do I need somehow an update in the kernel drivers? > > I've installed as well lint-wifi; this does not even see the AP next > door and to which I'm now after 2-3 tries connected too; strange, isn't > it? there must be something broken in kernel land, I think; I use testing and have varied success with wifi. I don't bother with trying to identify what going on by what's being reported. It has been stated on here that the issues with the driver are great enough that statistics may be skewed. What I have witnessed is that sometimes it appears the wireless hardware is next to useless ... but then under a different update or on another day it functions flawlessly even in a problematic area of the house. When I was running stable with no real updates coming down, I couldn't even be bothered with wireless. At the moment, I am having issues. Selecting wireless 'on' results in nothing being displayed. I have to push all my scripts back across so I haven't tested manually yet. So in summary, I don't think it's worth attempting to figure this out as an end user as yet. I believe it's driver/kernel related. The hardware itself is quite new so it doesn't really surprise me. I'd wait for a statement as _everybody_ has this problem. I can't imagine the devs are sitting there with freerunners and working wireless ;) Sarton From roguemoko at roguewrt.org Wed Oct 1 02:39:19 2008 From: roguemoko at roguewrt.org (Sarton O'Brien) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:39:19 +1000 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <48E2C26B.50206@projektenterprises.com> References: <7317620.2281222818071384.JavaMail.root@collab> <200810011018.04716.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> <48E2C26B.50206@projektenterprises.com> Message-ID: <200810011039.20047.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> On Wednesday 01 October 2008 10:20:59 Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson wrote: > > Yes, I understand. I got the impression it was a design flaw and not > > something that could be addressed, ?that's all. I could be completely > > wrong though. Maybe the phone can go into some kind of holding pattern > > when close to flat or something, to mitigate the effect. If it's > > something a u-boot update can fix then that would awesome ... but I'm not > > holding my breath. > > > > Sarton > > > > That is how I understood it too but that is something that if they're > unable to address on 1973/FreeRunner they need to address before GTA03, IMO Of course ... unless there's an 'intentional commercial suicide' department within openmoko ;) Sarton From billk at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 1 03:18:42 2008 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:18:42 +0800 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <200810010952.32395.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> References: <7317620.2281222818071384.JavaMail.root@collab> <48E2BA04.70604@projektenterprises.com> <200810010952.32395.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> Message-ID: <1222823922.1169.71.camel@rattus.localdomain> I suggest removing/replacing the battery briefly before plugging into the wall/charger - it seems GSM is the main culprit and it can "latch up" draining the battery. Resetting by removing power helps. (by default, the charger only accepts 100ma which is less than the FR draws in normal operation, so any more than this and its going backwards :) A later u-boot than originally shipped helps the boot process - the early u-boots almost always required a jump start and wouldnt accept a residual charge (or didnt appear to for me). Later u-boots stagger the startup process so there is less of a negative current spike - this generated a voltage drop which with a drained battery causes the control chip to shut down the FR as it thinks the battery is really dead :) BillK On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 09:52 +1000, Sarton O'Brien wrote: > On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:45:08 Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson wrote: > > Odd. Sadly that is the only way I was able to get mine going again, > > would be nice to see a patch that corrects the issue somehow so that > > people don't have to use workarounds in the future. > > -Shawn > > I don't think it is as complicated as that. I think it's merely the amount of > charge the FR is able to negotiate when powered off. Depending on the level of > 'dead' determines how long you need to trickle charge it before anything > useful occurs. > > I'd say battery maintenance and usage patterns may contribute also. > > From what I have seen on this list, I don't think this situation will change > in a hurry, if ever. > > Sarton > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! From billk at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 1 03:22:24 2008 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:22:24 +0800 Subject: SV: email In-Reply-To: <48e25f29.0309d00a.0387.7769@mx.google.com> References: <1222730310.1169.26.camel@rattus.localdomain> <20080930064504.3bd3792d@laptop-vanek> <1222752962.455.7.camel@bunyip.localdomain> <48e25f29.0309d00a.0387.7769@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1222824144.1169.73.camel@rattus.localdomain> Where did you get the package from? That site doesnt have binaries and its not listed in the normal repos that I can find. BillK On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 19:17 +0200, J?rgen Lidholm wrote: > What about tinymail http://tinymail.org? > > /J?rgen > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr?n: community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org] F?r W.Kenworthy > Skickat: den 30 september 2008 07:36 > Till: List for Openmoko community discussion > ?mne: Re: email > > Tried it - at the small screen setting and smallest I could set font the > email got only 2 -3 words per line! Almost useless. Rather than have > something adapted from the PC world, we need something designed for a > PDA. e.g., Palms Versamail gets quite a panning in general, but its > still far better than anything Ive yet tried on the FR :( > > Mutt or pine in a console might be a better choice, but have not seen a > package for them yet. > > BillK > > On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 06:45 +0200, Petr Vanek wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:18:30 +0800 > > William Kenworthy (WK) > > wrote: > > > > >I tried claws on 2007.2 - interface couldnt handle the screen. > > > > > > > claws could theoretically actually do - i use it daily on my business > > desktop and i tried once on FR, didn't have time since then, but the > > speed was OK (i have the same speed issues with qtmail) > > > > In Claws Mail, try in Menu: View->Layout->Small Screen > > > > then look up the keyboard shortcuts, these are excellent (only few, > > say 5, but very powerful) > > > > > > > > -- > > Petr Van?k > > http://biodynamika.cz > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! From justinhughdaly at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 03:40:30 2008 From: justinhughdaly at gmail.com (justin daly) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:40:30 -0400 Subject: Dialer UI Design In-Reply-To: <55533.212.204.227.172.1222694634.squirrel@www.outrightsolutions.nl> References: <1222688014507-1125600.post@n2.nabble.com> <55533.212.204.227.172.1222694634.squirrel@www.outrightsolutions.nl> Message-ID: yes fso as the base with an adaptive beyesian feedback driven user interface. it would be great to see your top actions bubble up in the interface's navigation: everyone with a customly trained 'runner. i say written in xul as xumo :) On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Sander van Grieken wrote: > > Ian-3 wrote: > > > > Qtopia sux, it's ugly and not pratical. > > > > We need absolutely the FSO with dialer, sms and contacts ( instead of > zhone > > ) or SHR. > > I think Qtopia is beautiful and the most practical at the moment. But my > biggest gripe > is that it's not customizable and has no open development model. > > I agree that FSO provides the best foundation. I'd like to see a > (non-nokia/tt) Qt based > UI on top of that. > > Sander > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20080930/6eaef849/attachment.htm From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org Wed Oct 1 04:03:09 2008 From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:03:09 -0400 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <48E2B832.3040605@projektenterprises.com> References: <1571666.2221222817628325.JavaMail.root@collab> <48E2B832.3040605@projektenterprises.com> Message-ID: <20081001020309.GE18589@thelackthereof.org> On 2008.09.30.16.37, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: | When trying to get into NOR do you already have it plugged into your | charger? That is how I was able to finally get mine to boot, you only | need the actual OpenMoko charger until it starts up then you can use | whatever USB charger you prefer. Just plug into wall-socket and phone, | start NOR twice, viola. | | -Shawn As an added tip -- when I ran my battery dry I couldn't get it to boot. I took out the sim and SD card and it booted (with NOR) instantly while plugged in with the wall charger. --Brock From bkruse at openmoko.org Wed Oct 1 04:44:27 2008 From: bkruse at openmoko.org (Brandon Kruse) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:44:27 -0500 Subject: voip on Debian In-Reply-To: <200809061226.39049.f.hackenberger@chello.at> References: <1220693338983-842903.post@n2.nabble.com> <200809061226.39049.f.hackenberger@chello.at> Message-ID: <48E2E40B.3020203@openmoko.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Interesting. Good find and setup. I am currently working on some iax2 related code for gta02 and future phones as far as the voip stack. I was running into some audio problems for awhile, but am starting to get all those little bugs worked out. There was ideas of a really slimmed down version of Asterisk being the _actual_ client in which people will use. This will allow them to use some of the core functionality of Asterisk as well. We will see where it goes. I am pretty familiar with Asterisk Channel drivers :) And it all depends on how easily the technology you are hooking into is. - -bk Florian Hackenberger wrote: | On Saturday 06 September 2008, TL Mieszkowski wrote: |> There is the potential to do some really cool stuff with asterisk it |> has quite a bit of functionality. | | We should really write a channel driver for the Neo (wolfson codec & GSM | modem daemon). We could then use asterisk for custom voicemail boxes, | dialplan routing (think time based blacklists etc.) for calls coming in | over GSM. As far as I'm familiar with the asterisk channel modules, | that should not be too difficult. | | Cheers, | Florian | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFI4uQLWSn2Kv7ZyAoRAqMXAJ9GhiSR7jvObO+vYDlMC/Kx5b0FpQCghUNt 0C25mer+0w2/uPS7OULUhNs= =H8zz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dale.schumacher at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 05:20:00 2008 From: dale.schumacher at gmail.com (Dale Schumacher) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:20:00 +0800 Subject: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone (was: Re: dead battery) In-Reply-To: <48E295E9.4080103@openmoko.org> References: <7522659.2001222803356110.JavaMail.root@collab> <7315002509521326c3758eeb78aef813@localhost> <48E295E9.4080103@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <7780e76c0809302020s7401a697xb6b254b1bb2e0789@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: > > Nokia devices (phones and stand-alone chargers) will not charge > non-Nokia batteries, most likely because they can't be sure they have > the correct charging parameters. > > Most after-market or no-name brands of Nokia-compatible chargers don't > test the make of the battery, most likely because adding the capability > to perform this test would add to the cost of the charger. > > Thus: > > * You can use a Nokia or Nokia-compatible BL-4C, BL-5C, or BL-6C in the Neo > > * You can charge the Neo battery in a Nokia-compatible charger that is > not Nokia branded > > * You can NOT charge the Neo battery in a Nokia branded phone or charger Added to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery#USB_charger From robin.paulson at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 05:44:38 2008 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:44:38 +1300 Subject: [debian] Sephora 0.1 - Suggestions needed In-Reply-To: <48DAAE43.9000605@gmail.com> References: <48D95CE3.9040809@gmail.com> <1222207898575-1113852.post@n2.nabble.com> <48D9D37E.2080906@gmail.com> <1222240738995-1114691.post@n2.nabble.com> <48D9ED16.5060008@gmail.com> <1222242330136-1114738.post@n2.nabble.com> <48DAAE43.9000605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770809302044j236cdc2bidea0173058e9cc8@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/25 Michele Renda : > [USB] > Show a list of attached USB device (when in host mode, like an lsusb) not sure if anyone's suggested this, but i'd like to know whether the usb port is in host or device mode - reduces the risk of me plugging in to my desktop when i shouldn't and doing some damage > > Please send me others idea / suggestions, they will be very apreciated > > Michele Renda make it configurable, perhaps with profiles - allow any widget to be hidden; when i'm mapping for osm for instance, i'm not too bothered about the status of the accelerometers From tyl.eroderkirk at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 07:03:43 2008 From: tyl.eroderkirk at gmail.com (Tyler Oderkirk) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 01:03:43 -0400 Subject: set next boot In-Reply-To: <20080928194507.493eec83@laptop-vanek> References: <20080926093230.1433a517@laptop-vanek> <20080928194507.493eec83@laptop-vanek> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Petr Vanek wrote: >>On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 3:32 AM, Petr Vanek >> wrote: >>> [...] is there any >>> command that would set priority for next boot? by some odd luck, i just stumbled across this writeup on how grub does it: http://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/OneShotGrub -tyler -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." - Ed Howdershelt From roguemoko at roguewrt.org Wed Oct 1 07:05:03 2008 From: roguemoko at roguewrt.org (Sarton O'Brien) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:05:03 +1000 Subject: [om2008-testing] qpe cpu usage when dialer open Message-ID: <200810011505.03343.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> 96% cpu usage just to have the dialer open. Awesome! :) Updated a couple of hours ago. Anyone aware of this? Sarton From michael at openmoko.org Wed Oct 1 07:06:31 2008 From: michael at openmoko.org (Michael Shiloh) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:06:31 -0700 Subject: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone In-Reply-To: <48E2A3F4.6060204@openmoko.com> References: <7522659.2001222803356110.JavaMail.root@collab> <7315002509521326c3758eeb78aef813@localhost> <48E295E9.4080103@openmoko.org> <48E2A1F3.7090303@openmoko.org> <48E2A3F4.6060204@openmoko.com> Message-ID: <48E30557.70906@openmoko.org> Andy Green wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Somebody in the thread at some point said: > |> Thanks for this helpfully complete characterization. > | > | Since you found it illuminating, I'll add it to the wiki > | > |> Do you happen to know if a Nokia battery (such as the BL-5c) will > |> charge in the FreeRunner? > | > | Excellent question. That's the one case I left out. I'm pretty sure it > | does, because I'm pretty sure that we do not check for battery brand. > | > | Any checking of battery brand would happen in software, where we can see > | it (and remove if desired). > | > | True, there is a chip that handles charging, but I'm pretty sure that > | battery brand is not one of the parameters we feed it. Perhaps one of > | the kernel people can confirm this. > > Right, we are clueless what that battery is for charging purposes, it'll > give it a go charging it in a fairly adaptive way if the terminals line > up with the battery socket. Thanks Andy! I'll add this to the wiki. (Sorry I reposted to the kernel list before I saw your response.) Michael From michael at openmoko.org Wed Oct 1 07:13:24 2008 From: michael at openmoko.org (Michael Shiloh) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:13:24 -0700 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <48E2B6C5.9000804@projektenterprises.com> References: <2789726.1941222801447844.JavaMail.root@collab> <48E2B6C5.9000804@projektenterprises.com> Message-ID: <48E306F4.2040001@openmoko.org> > Vince, > When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied > charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it > timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the > NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. > > -Shawn > I'm confused. I thought that we didn't turn on the charger until we booted into Linux. Am I wrong? Do we charge in u-boot, even at a low rate? Michael From tyl.eroderkirk at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 07:03:43 2008 From: tyl.eroderkirk at gmail.com (Tyler Oderkirk) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 01:03:43 -0400 Subject: set next boot In-Reply-To: <20080928194507.493eec83@laptop-vanek> References: <20080926093230.1433a517@laptop-vanek> <20080928194507.493eec83@laptop-vanek> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Petr Vanek wrote: >>On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 3:32 AM, Petr Vanek >> wrote: >>> [...] is there any >>> command that would set priority for next boot? by some odd luck, i just stumbled across this writeup on how grub does it: http://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/OneShotGrub -tyler -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." - Ed Howdershelt From michael at openmoko.org Wed Oct 1 07:11:30 2008 From: michael at openmoko.org (Michael Shiloh) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:11:30 -0700 Subject: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone In-Reply-To: <7780e76c0809302020s7401a697xb6b254b1bb2e0789@mail.gmail.com> References: <7522659.2001222803356110.JavaMail.root@collab> <7315002509521326c3758eeb78aef813@localhost> <48E295E9.4080103@openmoko.org> <7780e76c0809302020s7401a697xb6b254b1bb2e0789@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E30682.10202@openmoko.org> Dale Schumacher wrote: > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: >> Nokia devices (phones and stand-alone chargers) will not charge >> non-Nokia batteries, most likely because they can't be sure they have >> the correct charging parameters. >> >> Most after-market or no-name brands of Nokia-compatible chargers don't >> test the make of the battery, most likely because adding the capability >> to perform this test would add to the cost of the charger. >> >> Thus: >> >> * You can use a Nokia or Nokia-compatible BL-4C, BL-5C, or BL-6C in the Neo >> >> * You can charge the Neo battery in a Nokia-compatible charger that is >> not Nokia branded >> >> * You can NOT charge the Neo battery in a Nokia branded phone or charger > > Added to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery#USB_charger > Thanks! From jorgen.lidholm at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 07:20:58 2008 From: jorgen.lidholm at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rgen_Lidholm?=) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:20:58 +0200 Subject: SV: SV: email In-Reply-To: References: <1222730310.1169.26.camel@rattus.localdomain> <20080930064504.3bd3792d@laptop-vanek> <1222752962.455.7.camel@bunyip.localdomain> <48e25f29.0309d00a.0387.7769@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <48e308bf.0c58560a.22d1.4645@mx.google.com> > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr?n: community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community- > bounces at lists.openmoko.org] F?r arne anka > Skickat: den 30 september 2008 21:50 > Till: List for Openmoko community discussion > ?mne: Re: SV: email > > > What about tinymail http://tinymail.org? > > is there a gui? > the page states, it is a framework but the demos show some kind of gui > -- > but i can't find further informations. I have never used it myself, but I guess there must be a GUI for it. According to the webpage: "It implements certain default ui components that can be used out of the box." Maybe these are all that is needed? Could be worth looking into. /J?rgen From jorgen.lidholm at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 07:21:51 2008 From: jorgen.lidholm at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?J=C3=B6rgen_Lidholm?=) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:21:51 +0200 Subject: SV: SV: email In-Reply-To: <1222824144.1169.73.camel@rattus.localdomain> References: <1222730310.1169.26.camel@rattus.localdomain> <20080930064504.3bd3792d@laptop-vanek> <1222752962.455.7.camel@bunyip.localdomain> <48e25f29.0309d00a.0387.7769@mx.google.com> <1222824144.1169.73.camel@rattus.localdomain> Message-ID: <48e308f4.0405560a.795b.4b4d@mx.google.com> I don't even have a FR yet. So, didn't try it either. /J?rgen > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr?n: community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community- > bounces at lists.openmoko.org] F?r William Kenworthy > Skickat: den 1 oktober 2008 03:22 > Till: List for Openmoko community discussion > ?mne: Re: SV: email > > Where did you get the package from? That site doesnt have binaries and > its not listed in the normal repos that I can find. > > BillK > > On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 19:17 +0200, J?rgen Lidholm wrote: > > What about tinymail http://tinymail.org? > > > > /J?rgen > > > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > > Fr?n: community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community- > bounces at lists.openmoko.org] F?r W.Kenworthy > > Skickat: den 30 september 2008 07:36 > > Till: List for Openmoko community discussion > > ?mne: Re: email > > > > Tried it - at the small screen setting and smallest I could set font > the > > email got only 2 -3 words per line! Almost useless. Rather than > have > > something adapted from the PC world, we need something designed for a > > PDA. e.g., Palms Versamail gets quite a panning in general, but its > > still far better than anything Ive yet tried on the FR :( > > > > Mutt or pine in a console might be a better choice, but have not seen > a > > package for them yet. > > > > BillK > > > > On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 06:45 +0200, Petr Vanek wrote: > > > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:18:30 +0800 > > > William Kenworthy (WK) > > > wrote: > > > > > > >I tried claws on 2007.2 - interface couldnt handle the screen. > > > > > > > > > > claws could theoretically actually do - i use it daily on my > business > > > desktop and i tried once on FR, didn't have time since then, but > the > > > speed was OK (i have the same speed issues with qtmail) > > > > > > In Claws Mail, try in Menu: View->Layout->Small Screen > > > > > > then look up the keyboard shortcuts, these are excellent (only few, > > > say 5, but very powerful) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Petr Van?k > > > http://biodynamika.cz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Openmoko community mailing list > > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- > William Kenworthy > Home in Perth! > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From roguemoko at roguewrt.org Wed Oct 1 07:05:03 2008 From: roguemoko at roguewrt.org (Sarton O'Brien) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:05:03 +1000 Subject: [om2008-testing] qpe cpu usage when dialer open Message-ID: <200810011505.03343.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> 96% cpu usage just to have the dialer open. Awesome! :) Updated a couple of hours ago. Anyone aware of this? Sarton From jorgen.lidholm at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 07:20:58 2008 From: jorgen.lidholm at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rgen_Lidholm?=) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:20:58 +0200 Subject: SV: SV: email In-Reply-To: References: <1222730310.1169.26.camel@rattus.localdomain> <20080930064504.3bd3792d@laptop-vanek> <1222752962.455.7.camel@bunyip.localdomain> <48e25f29.0309d00a.0387.7769@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <48e308bf.0c58560a.22d1.4645@mx.google.com> > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr?n: community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community- > bounces at lists.openmoko.org] F?r arne anka > Skickat: den 30 september 2008 21:50 > Till: List for Openmoko community discussion > ?mne: Re: SV: email > > > What about tinymail http://tinymail.org? > > is there a gui? > the page states, it is a framework but the demos show some kind of gui > -- > but i can't find further informations. I have never used it myself, but I guess there must be a GUI for it. According to the webpage: "It implements certain default ui components that can be used out of the box." Maybe these are all that is needed? Could be worth looking into. /J?rgen From tyl.eroderkirk at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 07:03:43 2008 From: tyl.eroderkirk at gmail.com (Tyler Oderkirk) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 01:03:43 -0400 Subject: set next boot In-Reply-To: <20080928194507.493eec83@laptop-vanek> References: <20080926093230.1433a517@laptop-vanek> <20080928194507.493eec83@laptop-vanek> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Petr Vanek wrote: >>On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 3:32 AM, Petr Vanek >> wrote: >>> [...] is there any >>> command that would set priority for next boot? by some odd luck, i just stumbled across this writeup on how grub does it: http://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/OneShotGrub -tyler -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." - Ed Howdershelt From jorgen.lidholm at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 07:21:51 2008 From: jorgen.lidholm at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?J=C3=B6rgen_Lidholm?=) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:21:51 +0200 Subject: SV: SV: email In-Reply-To: <1222824144.1169.73.camel@rattus.localdomain> References: <1222730310.1169.26.camel@rattus.localdomain> <20080930064504.3bd3792d@laptop-vanek> <1222752962.455.7.camel@bunyip.localdomain> <48e25f29.0309d00a.0387.7769@mx.google.com> <1222824144.1169.73.camel@rattus.localdomain> Message-ID: <48e308f4.0405560a.795b.4b4d@mx.google.com> I don't even have a FR yet. So, didn't try it either. /J?rgen > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr?n: community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community- > bounces at lists.openmoko.org] F?r William Kenworthy > Skickat: den 1 oktober 2008 03:22 > Till: List for Openmoko community discussion > ?mne: Re: SV: email > > Where did you get the package from? That site doesnt have binaries and > its not listed in the normal repos that I can find. > > BillK > > On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 19:17 +0200, J?rgen Lidholm wrote: > > What about tinymail http://tinymail.org? > > > > /J?rgen > > > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > > Fr?n: community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community- > bounces at lists.openmoko.org] F?r W.Kenworthy > > Skickat: den 30 september 2008 07:36 > > Till: List for Openmoko community discussion > > ?mne: Re: email > > > > Tried it - at the small screen setting and smallest I could set font > the > > email got only 2 -3 words per line! Almost useless. Rather than > have > > something adapted from the PC world, we need something designed for a > > PDA. e.g., Palms Versamail gets quite a panning in general, but its > > still far better than anything Ive yet tried on the FR :( > > > > Mutt or pine in a console might be a better choice, but have not seen > a > > package for them yet. > > > > BillK > > > > On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 06:45 +0200, Petr Vanek wrote: > > > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:18:30 +0800 > > > William Kenworthy (WK) > > > wrote: > > > > > > >I tried claws on 2007.2 - interface couldnt handle the screen. > > > > > > > > > > claws could theoretically actually do - i use it daily on my > business > > > desktop and i tried once on FR, didn't have time since then, but > the > > > speed was OK (i have the same speed issues with qtmail) > > > > > > In Claws Mail, try in Menu: View->Layout->Small Screen > > > > > > then look up the keyboard shortcuts, these are excellent (only few, > > > say 5, but very powerful) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Petr Van?k > > > http://biodynamika.cz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Openmoko community mailing list > > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- > William Kenworthy > Home in Perth! > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From michael at openmoko.org Wed Oct 1 07:06:31 2008 From: michael at openmoko.org (Michael Shiloh) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:06:31 -0700 Subject: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone In-Reply-To: <48E2A3F4.6060204@openmoko.com> References: <7522659.2001222803356110.JavaMail.root@collab> <7315002509521326c3758eeb78aef813@localhost> <48E295E9.4080103@openmoko.org> <48E2A1F3.7090303@openmoko.org> <48E2A3F4.6060204@openmoko.com> Message-ID: <48E30557.70906@openmoko.org> Andy Green wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Somebody in the thread at some point said: > |> Thanks for this helpfully complete characterization. > | > | Since you found it illuminating, I'll add it to the wiki > | > |> Do you happen to know if a Nokia battery (such as the BL-5c) will > |> charge in the FreeRunner? > | > | Excellent question. That's the one case I left out. I'm pretty sure it > | does, because I'm pretty sure that we do not check for battery brand. > | > | Any checking of battery brand would happen in software, where we can see > | it (and remove if desired). > | > | True, there is a chip that handles charging, but I'm pretty sure that > | battery brand is not one of the parameters we feed it. Perhaps one of > | the kernel people can confirm this. > > Right, we are clueless what that battery is for charging purposes, it'll > give it a go charging it in a fairly adaptive way if the terminals line > up with the battery socket. Thanks Andy! I'll add this to the wiki. (Sorry I reposted to the kernel list before I saw your response.) Michael From guru at unixarea.de Wed Oct 1 07:36:42 2008 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:36:42 +0200 Subject: [Om2008.9] some kind of terminal program like Kermit? Message-ID: <20081001053642.GA22177@rebelion.Sisis.de> Hello, Next step on my agenda is bring-up the GPRS connection. To better understand and test the various AT-commands of the chat-script I'd like to have some kind of terminal program like Kermit to talk directly from stdin to the serial device /dev/ttySAC0. Any idea what I could use for this in the FR? Thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows From michael at openmoko.org Wed Oct 1 07:11:30 2008 From: michael at openmoko.org (Michael Shiloh) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:11:30 -0700 Subject: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone In-Reply-To: <7780e76c0809302020s7401a697xb6b254b1bb2e0789@mail.gmail.com> References: <7522659.2001222803356110.JavaMail.root@collab> <7315002509521326c3758eeb78aef813@localhost> <48E295E9.4080103@openmoko.org> <7780e76c0809302020s7401a697xb6b254b1bb2e0789@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E30682.10202@openmoko.org> Dale Schumacher wrote: > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: >> Nokia devices (phones and stand-alone chargers) will not charge >> non-Nokia batteries, most likely because they can't be sure they have >> the correct charging parameters. >> >> Most after-market or no-name brands of Nokia-compatible chargers don't >> test the make of the battery, most likely because adding the capability >> to perform this test would add to the cost of the charger. >> >> Thus: >> >> * You can use a Nokia or Nokia-compatible BL-4C, BL-5C, or BL-6C in the Neo >> >> * You can charge the Neo battery in a Nokia-compatible charger that is >> not Nokia branded >> >> * You can NOT charge the Neo battery in a Nokia branded phone or charger > > Added to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery#USB_charger > Thanks! From michael at openmoko.org Wed Oct 1 07:13:24 2008 From: michael at openmoko.org (Michael Shiloh) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:13:24 -0700 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <48E2B6C5.9000804@projektenterprises.com> References: <2789726.1941222801447844.JavaMail.root@collab> <48E2B6C5.9000804@projektenterprises.com> Message-ID: <48E306F4.2040001@openmoko.org> > Vince, > When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied > charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it > timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the > NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. > > -Shawn > I'm confused. I thought that we didn't turn on the charger until we booted into Linux. Am I wrong? Do we charge in u-boot, even at a low rate? Michael From jorgen.lidholm at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 07:20:58 2008 From: jorgen.lidholm at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rgen_Lidholm?=) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:20:58 +0200 Subject: SV: SV: email In-Reply-To: References: <1222730310.1169.26.camel@rattus.localdomain> <20080930064504.3bd3792d@laptop-vanek> <1222752962.455.7.camel@bunyip.localdomain> <48e25f29.0309d00a.0387.7769@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <48e308bf.0c58560a.22d1.4645@mx.google.com> > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr?n: community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community- > bounces at lists.openmoko.org] F?r arne anka > Skickat: den 30 september 2008 21:50 > Till: List for Openmoko community discussion > ?mne: Re: SV: email > > > What about tinymail http://tinymail.org? > > is there a gui? > the page states, it is a framework but the demos show some kind of gui > -- > but i can't find further informations. I have never used it myself, but I guess there must be a GUI for it. According to the webpage: "It implements certain default ui components that can be used out of the box." Maybe these are all that is needed? Could be worth looking into. /J?rgen From jorgen.lidholm at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 07:21:51 2008 From: jorgen.lidholm at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?J=C3=B6rgen_Lidholm?=) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:21:51 +0200 Subject: SV: SV: email In-Reply-To: <1222824144.1169.73.camel@rattus.localdomain> References: <1222730310.1169.26.camel@rattus.localdomain> <20080930064504.3bd3792d@laptop-vanek> <1222752962.455.7.camel@bunyip.localdomain> <48e25f29.0309d00a.0387.7769@mx.google.com> <1222824144.1169.73.camel@rattus.localdomain> Message-ID: <48e308f4.0405560a.795b.4b4d@mx.google.com> I don't even have a FR yet. So, didn't try it either. /J?rgen > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr?n: community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community- > bounces at lists.openmoko.org] F?r William Kenworthy > Skickat: den 1 oktober 2008 03:22 > Till: List for Openmoko community discussion > ?mne: Re: SV: email > > Where did you get the package from? That site doesnt have binaries and > its not listed in the normal repos that I can find. > > BillK > > On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 19:17 +0200, J?rgen Lidholm wrote: > > What about tinymail http://tinymail.org? > > > > /J?rgen > > > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > > Fr?n: community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community- > bounces at lists.openmoko.org] F?r W.Kenworthy > > Skickat: den 30 september 2008 07:36 > > Till: List for Openmoko community discussion > > ?mne: Re: email > > > > Tried it - at the small screen setting and smallest I could set font > the > > email got only 2 -3 words per line! Almost useless. Rather than > have > > something adapted from the PC world, we need something designed for a > > PDA. e.g., Palms Versamail gets quite a panning in general, but its > > still far better than anything Ive yet tried on the FR :( > > > > Mutt or pine in a console might be a better choice, but have not seen > a > > package for them yet. > > > > BillK > > > > On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 06:45 +0200, Petr Vanek wrote: > > > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:18:30 +0800 > > > William Kenworthy (WK) > > > wrote: > > > > > > >I tried claws on 2007.2 - interface couldnt handle the screen. > > > > > > > > > > claws could theoretically actually do - i use it daily on my > business > > > desktop and i tried once on FR, didn't have time since then, but > the > > > speed was OK (i have the same speed issues with qtmail) > > > > > > In Claws Mail, try in Menu: View->Layout->Small Screen > > > > > > then look up the keyboard shortcuts, these are excellent (only few, > > > say 5, but very powerful) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Petr Van?k > > > http://biodynamika.cz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Openmoko community mailing list > > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- > William Kenworthy > Home in Perth! > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From tyl.eroderkirk at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 07:03:43 2008 From: tyl.eroderkirk at gmail.com (Tyler Oderkirk) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 01:03:43 -0400 Subject: set next boot In-Reply-To: <20080928194507.493eec83@laptop-vanek> References: <20080926093230.1433a517@laptop-vanek> <20080928194507.493eec83@laptop-vanek> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Petr Vanek wrote: >>On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 3:32 AM, Petr Vanek >> wrote: >>> [...] is there any >>> command that would set priority for next boot? by some odd luck, i just stumbled across this writeup on how grub does it: http://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/OneShotGrub -tyler -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." - Ed Howdershelt From michele.renda at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 07:56:38 2008 From: michele.renda at gmail.com (Michele Renda) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:56:38 +0200 Subject: [debian] Sephora 0.1 - Suggestions needed In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770809302044j236cdc2bidea0173058e9cc8@mail.gmail.com> References: <48D95CE3.9040809@gmail.com> <1222207898575-1113852.post@n2.nabble.com> <48D9D37E.2080906@gmail.com> <1222240738995-1114691.post@n2.nabble.com> <48D9ED16.5060008@gmail.com> <1222242330136-1114738.post@n2.nabble.com> <48DAAE43.9000605@gmail.com> <2f3aa2770809302044j236cdc2bidea0173058e9cc8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E31116.3010704@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Robin Paulson wrote: > not sure if anyone's suggested this, but i'd like to know whether the > usb port is in host or device mode - reduces the risk of me plugging > in to my desktop when i shouldn't and doing some damage It already do this :) There is in the Usb section a select: it the state change there is a dbus signal that change the active element of the select box >> Please send me others idea / suggestions, they will be very apreciated >> >> Michele Renda > > make it configurable, perhaps with profiles - allow any widget to be > hidden; This is a very good idea, I'd like to do it. The problem is that is was born more with a settings manager, than something for every day use (it realy born because I don't like too much to type on the keyboard :) when i'm mapping for osm for instance, i'm not too bothered > about the status of the accelerometers Mmm... what you need, I think, is more the openmoko-panel, that I think can give you more real time values (it can simply stay near your clock) Best regards Michele Renda -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFI4xEWSIAU/I6SkT0RAkplAKCNTwQaTbHtPtQRMQULbepCpjCyPACfe/Z6 L6v2A7l+uwt6r7RGDwVQ+m8= =mP0o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From billk at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 1 08:01:52 2008 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:01:52 +0800 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <48E306F4.2040001@openmoko.org> References: <2789726.1941222801447844.JavaMail.root@collab> <48E2B6C5.9000804@projektenterprises.com> <48E306F4.2040001@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <1222840912.1169.104.camel@rattus.localdomain> These are my understandings from lots of reading and previous posts between myself and Andy Green and others on the subject - should all be in the archives. With 2007.2 I was hit one out of every 3 overnight suspends ending in a flat battery. At least with 2008.9 its rarer (but does happen :( With the later u-boots, usb default is 100ma as soon as its plugged in. This unfortunately is less than a running Fr needs. Normally as soon as the operating system is up enough, it will negotiate up to 500ma with the host, or in the case of the wall charger, read the sense resistor and see that 1A is available. When the OS is suspended, the PMU manages the charge until the battery is charged whereupon it switches off - and stays off. If the OS is running, it will cycle back on when the battery level falls to 10-20% (reports vary) as the OS can reset and renegotiate the charge level. If the battery is very low (i.e., the internal fail-safe disconnects it), remove it from the phone for 30 seconds or so. This allows the fail-safe to reset (this is what I think happens based on my observations) so the 100ma can get to the battery, and also reset the phone hardware - in particular the GSM modem which is directly connected to the battery and is thought to be root cause by Andy Green - possibly goes into a wierd state as power drops as well, preventing restart until reset. The power rail of course drops due to the inrush current much more during startup with a low battery than normal, causing one chip (USB I think) to detect a dangerously low voltage and issue a shutdown. So you cant get the phone to boot until the battery has had a few minutes of charge. In my case, USB to my laptop or a desktop machine does it. Remove/pause/replace battery plug into USB for 5-10 minutes remove/pause/replug USB cable and normal boot will happen within a few seconds. The wall charger should work as well, but on my one try it didnt - possibly because the u-boot wasnt new enough at the time. Recommendation - use a late (latest!) u-boot. BillK On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 22:13 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote: > > Vince, > > When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied > > charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it > > timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the > > NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. > > > > -Shawn > > > > I'm confused. I thought that we didn't turn on the charger until we > booted into Linux. Am I wrong? Do we charge in u-boot, even at a low rate? > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! From billk at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 1 08:04:16 2008 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:04:16 +0800 Subject: [Om2008.9] some kind of terminal program like Kermit? In-Reply-To: <20081001053642.GA22177@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20081001053642.GA22177@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <1222841056.1169.107.camel@rattus.localdomain> Minicom works, as does cu (part of uucp) However, there are a few GPRS guides around that tell you how to do it. check the wiki. There are few wrinkles like stopping the GSM daemon when talking to the GSM modem. BillK On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 07:36 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > Hello, > > Next step on my agenda is bring-up the GPRS connection. To better > understand and test the various AT-commands of the chat-script I'd like > to have some kind of terminal program like Kermit to talk directly from > stdin to the serial device /dev/ttySAC0. Any idea what I could use for > this in the FR? > > Thx > > matthias -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! From roguemoko at roguewrt.org Wed Oct 1 07:05:03 2008 From: roguemoko at roguewrt.org (Sarton O'Brien) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:05:03 +1000 Subject: [om2008-testing] qpe cpu usage when dialer open Message-ID: <200810011505.03343.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> 96% cpu usage just to have the dialer open. Awesome! :) Updated a couple of hours ago. Anyone aware of this? Sarton From sprashant at printelectronics.com Wed Oct 1 08:31:06 2008 From: sprashant at printelectronics.com (Prashant Sathe (R&D)) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:01:06 +0530 Subject: Regarding openmoko in qemu Message-ID: Hello, I installed the openmoko on qemu, it's worked well. But its emulation part is too Slow. When I clicked on any application it takes around 1 minute to start the application. Second one is there is no close application logo on the application itself, so I have to close the qemu to restart the openmoko. And third one is scrolling part is also not there. Any idea?? And I started with webpage http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu Regards, Prashant p sathe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/5e91818d/attachment.htm From guru at unixarea.de Wed Oct 1 08:31:29 2008 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:31:29 +0200 Subject: [Om2008.9] some kind of terminal program like Kermit? In-Reply-To: <1222841056.1169.107.camel@rattus.localdomain> References: <20081001053642.GA22177@rebelion.Sisis.de> <1222841056.1169.107.camel@rattus.localdomain> Message-ID: <20081001063129.GA23571@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Wednesday, October 01, 2008 a las 02:04:16PM +0800, William Kenworthy escribi?: > Minicom works, as does cu (part of uucp) > > However, there are a few GPRS guides around that tell you how to do it. > check the wiki. There are few wrinkles like stopping the GSM daemon > when talking to the GSM modem. Thanks for the hint. Yes, I'm aware of the Wiki about GPRS and reading all this I was thinkig: well at certain point we need a terminal to the 'modem' of the SIM card to talk AT commands directly to see what the SIM or network is responding. Thx again matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows From flyin.bbb8 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 09:08:29 2008 From: flyin.bbb8 at gmail.com (Flyin_bbb8) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:08:29 +0300 Subject: ReMoKo and openSuSE 11 In-Reply-To: References: <200809241507.49026.hcc@gatech.edu> <2165c69d0809272111v23b6cfa6ob7f763f6fc417b63@mail.gmail.com> <2165c69d0809272120w63a961bdj6cc74953f51a2611@mail.gmail.com> <2165c69d0809272140x75446d99u1a58643f4a33140c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2165c69d0810010008i617e1c6sb8b3421d1ea1b4cc@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Valerio Valerio wrote: > Hi, > > Can you also provide me the output of ReMoko ? > Sure, here you go, sorry for the delay i was really busy for the last 3 days root at om-gta02:~# DISPLAY=:0 remoko dbus_objectInit... proxy ok interface ok failcount= 0 dbus_objectInit... could not create proxy for org.freesmartphone.ousaged:/org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freesmartphone.ousaged was not provided by any .service files failcount= 1 dbus_objectInit... could not create proxy for org.freesmartphone.ousaged:/org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freesmartphone.ousaged was not provided by any .service files failcount= 1 dbus_objectInit... off transition to bluetooth_off_alert You are using ASU finished transition to main finished --> BlueZ input service stopped initializing daemon ... initializing listener ... waiting connection ... waiting connection ... waiting connection ... waiting connection ... waiting connection ... 0x0005c0 0x0005c0 Device Class changed to: 0x0005c0 --> BlueZ input service started Connection terminated Killed Exception in thread Thread-2: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.5/threading.py", line 486, in __bootstrap_inner self.run() File "/usr/share/remoko/remoko/remoko_server.py", line 174, in run reply = self.remoko.sock.recv(100) error: (104, 'Connection reset by peer') -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/bc2b1892/attachment.htm From captain.deadly at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 09:30:00 2008 From: captain.deadly at gmail.com (Arigead) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:30:00 +0100 Subject: [2008.09][FSO] Programming interface to wifi Icon In-Reply-To: <20080930134457.GA10388@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <48E22BEB.8010105@gmail.com> <20080930134457.GA10388@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <48E326F8.8020301@gmail.com> Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d?a Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 02:38:51PM +0100, Arigead escribi?: > > >> Hello all, >> Want to play with the wifi icon on the FR either in [2008.09] or >> [FSO] Perhaps [FSO] makes more sense in the long run. >> >> Anyhow can I from a C Program set the icon? And can I have a call back >> so that Icon being pressed issues a DBUS message? >> > > If you create a file like this: > > root at om-gta02:/usr/share/applications# cat Wifi-up.desktop > [Desktop Entry] > Encoding=UTF-8 > Name=Wifi-up > Comment=Bring Wifi up with ifup eth0 > Exec=xterm -e "ifdown eth0 ; iwconfig eth0 txpower auto channel 1 ; killall wpa_supplicant ; killall udhcp ; ifup eth0 ; sleep 20" > Icon=wifi > Terminal=false > Type=Application > Categories=Application;Utilities; > SingleInstance=true > StartupNotify=true > > the icon will appear and of course you have an action Exec=... > > matthias > > Thanks for that Matthias but you misunderstand me. At present the wifi icon, as far as I know, is plain white. I'd like to have three different Icons for the wifi one Red, one Orange/Amber and one Green (Traffic Lights). I'd like to create a daemon in C which every so often did a wee wifi scan to see what networks are out there. If no know wifi SSIDs are available then the icon is red. If I click the Red Wifi Icon I get a list of all the unknown networks and I can select one of them to connect to it if I know the security details. Once connected this info is stored for future. If I'm at my friends house and I am with in range of a known network then the icon is changed to Amber/Orange. This colour could also be used if I'm within range of a free wifi hotspot in a cafe or something. When it's orange the wifi is still not enabled but by looking I can easily see that there is a network available if I want to connect. perhaps I want to save my battery life at the moment. If I click on the amber/orange wifi icon I want to connect to the available network. Once I've connected the icon should go green to indicate that I'm connected and wasting battery. Perhaps clicking on the green icon could give info on the connected network and the option to disconnect. At present i'm just playing with the idea. Things like WIFI Radar and MOFI will currently connect in either a fully automatic way or in a more manual way. I mean by that that wifi radar as far as I know connects a laptop on powerup when it sees a known network. I'm on a mobile device with no battery life. I'd like to be informed via the icon that I can if I want connect but at present i'm not. The C Daemon I'm thinking about might well use MOFI or other python for the User Interface when the icon is selected but the daemon updates the icon. Perhaps if I knew what part of the code is currently controlling the wifi icon I could look at it. Perhaps a traffic light of wifi icons will not be pleasing to the eye but I'd like to find out. From guru at unixarea.de Wed Oct 1 09:38:55 2008 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:38:55 +0200 Subject: [2008.09][FSO] Programming interface to wifi Icon In-Reply-To: <48E326F8.8020301@gmail.com> References: <48E22BEB.8010105@gmail.com> <20080930134457.GA10388@rebelion.Sisis.de> <48E326F8.8020301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081001073855.GA12307@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Wednesday, October 01, 2008 a las 08:30:00AM +0100, Arigead escribi?: > Matthias Apitz wrote: > > El d?a Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 02:38:51PM +0100, Arigead escribi?: > > > > > >> Hello all, > >> Want to play with the wifi icon on the FR either in [2008.09] or > >> [FSO] Perhaps [FSO] makes more sense in the long run. > >> > >> Anyhow can I from a C Program set the icon? And can I have a call back > >> so that Icon being pressed issues a DBUS message? > >> > > > > If you create a file like this: > > > > root at om-gta02:/usr/share/applications# cat Wifi-up.desktop > > [Desktop Entry] > > Encoding=UTF-8 > > Name=Wifi-up > > Comment=Bring Wifi up with ifup eth0 > > Exec=xterm -e "ifdown eth0 ; iwconfig eth0 txpower auto channel 1 ; killall wpa_supplicant ; killall udhcp ; ifup eth0 ; sleep 20" > > Icon=wifi > > Terminal=false > > Type=Application > > Categories=Application;Utilities; > > SingleInstance=true > > StartupNotify=true > > > > the icon will appear and of course you have an action Exec=... > > > > matthias > > > > > Thanks for that Matthias but you misunderstand me. At present the wifi > icon, as far as I know, is plain white. I'd like to have three different > Icons for the wifi one Red, one Orange/Amber and one Green (Traffic > Lights). I'd like to create a daemon in C which every so often did a wee > wifi scan to see what networks are out there. If no know wifi SSIDs are > available then the icon is red. ... I think I understood you already in your first post very well; you can change the color or the image of a given icon just be rewriting (from C or shell) the corresponding desktop file and let it point to another icon with Icon=wifiRed or Icon=wifiAmber ... ofc the files 'wifiAmber.png' must exist in /usr/share/pixmaps HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows From madis.listak at mail.ee Wed Oct 1 09:21:41 2008 From: madis.listak at mail.ee (madis) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:21:41 +0000 Subject: [FDOM 080927] Modem jokes on SIM entries In-Reply-To: <1222756532.10429.167.camel@peregrintux> References: <48E1C13D.9010705@markas-al-nour.org> <1222756532.10429.167.camel@peregrintux> Message-ID: <48E32505.4010205@mail.ee> Hi David and Linus, I have the same problem... After registering if I try to open the phone book I see only message "Loading Sim..." I can't see my phone book content in Sim and my FR behaves very strangely also. I can't receive calls if somebody calls. My FR rings, but I am unable to press the answer button, the touch screen is not responding. The screen itself is ok, because all other times it works. I can't make any phone calls, my FR says it's dialing the number, but nothing happens in reality. Regards, Madis David Samblas wrote: > Hi linus, > the only modification done vs the OM 2008.9 regarding gsm is the > addition of the > http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/gsm0710muxd_0.9.1+r0-gitr3ff86b129640b647ccba3d86eb243d864671b039-r0_armv4t.ipk > packages and some configuration in the /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia to > make it work. > The rest is as is in the 2008.9 so you I suppose you can debug as you > where in 2008.9 downloading the source code of Contact if you want. > > BTW I have no knowlege about any one else having this issue. > > Next FDOM release will come from a svn repository that will keep track > of the modifications we have done to the 2008.X to become an FDOM, then > you will see from where a packages come(OM , angstrom or other > repositories or direct download from OM projects or from anywhere else) > I hope this helps to those asking from the souce code of FDOM. > > Regards > David Samblas > El mar, 30-09-2008 a las 07:03 +0100, Linus Gasser escribi?: > >> Hi list, >> >> I'm running the latest FDOM (20080927) but still have a very annoying >> problem: my SIM-card is not read with regard to the address entries. If >> I go to the "Contacts", there is only written "Loading SIM" on top, but >> nothing shows. IIRC, this was no problem in ASU_0807. >> >> Is there any way I can debug that to see where it stops? With the SIM >> not being loaded, I can neither call, nor receive calls, nor suspend. Or >> shall I do a binary search to see whether it's a special entry that >> causes this? >> >> Thank you for any hint you may give me, >> >> Linus >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From captain.deadly at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 09:47:29 2008 From: captain.deadly at gmail.com (Arigead) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:47:29 +0100 Subject: [2008.9] Lock ups Message-ID: <48E32B11.10901@gmail.com> I know that I've email on this subject before but I got no response to my last post, or perhaps it just didn't get through. Regardless of what distro I use my FR is constantly locking up and has to have the battery removed. I tried to communicate with Pulster who supplied the phone but they're not returning my emails on the subject. I'm using [2008.9] at the moment and over the course of a few hours last night using the FR as a phone it locked up 6 times. This morning I have just done a totally clean flash of [2008.9] booted the phone and selected the Dialer App. Phone locked with the '*' in the middle of the screen. I cannot ssh into the phone of course but is there any other way that I can see a log file on the next power up after I pull the battery? Would the debug board enable me to get to the bottom of this? I can't log a bug when I've no idea what is causing the problem. I really love the phone and am committed to it but I want a replacement. There is no way that other people phones are doing this? I've heard loads of people say that they're using the phone as their everyday phone. I'm trying but I'm tired of pulling the battery. I have a 300Yoyo paper weight that looks great! Please help From gera at theoldmonk.net Wed Oct 1 10:03:47 2008 From: gera at theoldmonk.net (Devendra Gera) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:33:47 +0530 Subject: [FDOM 080927] Modem jokes on SIM entries In-Reply-To: <48E32505.4010205@mail.ee> References: <48E1C13D.9010705@markas-al-nour.org> <1222756532.10429.167.camel@peregrintux> <48E32505.4010205@mail.ee> Message-ID: <20081001080347.GA11751@gera-laptop> On Wed, 01 Oct 2008, madis wrote: > After registering if I try to open the phone book I see only message > "Loading Sim..." > I can't see my phone book content in Sim and my FR behaves very > strangely also. > I can't receive calls if somebody calls. My FR rings, but I am unable > to press the answer button, the touch screen is not responding. > The screen itself is ok, because all other times it works. > I can't make any phone calls, my FR says it's dialing the number, > but nothing happens in reality. I encounter the same issues. I have noticed that disabling auto suspend and not doing _anything_ related to SIM or suspend (which means no calls, no contacts, no messages etc.) until after ~5 minutes *after* GSM registration helps. Then I try and make a call to my operator to verify that everything work, and only then suspend manually. Doing this ensures my phone keeps working when it wakes up. I have noticed that accessing SIM contacts even beyond this procedure breaks suspend and/or calling unpredictably. I tend to avoid using SIM contacts a much as I can. --gera. From guru at unixarea.de Wed Oct 1 10:10:29 2008 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:10:29 +0200 Subject: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable In-Reply-To: <1222779134.1169.49.camel@rattus.localdomain> References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> <48E1FB64.7040606@meshy.org> <20080930123704.GB8347@rebelion.Sisis.de> <1222779134.1169.49.camel@rattus.localdomain> Message-ID: <20081001081029.GA13065@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 08:52:14PM +0800, William Kenworthy escribi?: > On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 14:37 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > El d?a Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 08:11:48PM +1000, Alex Osborne escribi?: > > > > > Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > > I'm trying to bring up the eth0 with > > > > > > > ># ifup eth0 > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > matthias > > Hi Matthias, I am using these scripts with the unmodified Om 2008.9 > system successfully to connect to a linksys wrt150 running wpa. The > only caveat is that the FR has a good signal when connecting. Turn on > wifi using the settings dialog first - dont select anything else. Same > with mofi etc - if you have used them, reboot first. Then you should be > able to connect/reconnect at will. It seems that some of the background > apps are reluctant to let go of the connection. ... Hi William, A bit inspired by your commands since yesterday I have changed the desktop file /usr/share/applications/Wifi-up.desktop into this: [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Name=Wifi-up Comment=Bring Wifi up with ifup eth0 Exec=xterm -e "ifdown eth0 ; iwconfig eth0 txpower auto channel 1 ; killall wpa_supplicant ; killall udhcp ; ifup eth0 ; sleep 20" Icon=wifi Terminal=false Type=Application Categories=Application;Utilities; SingleInstance=true StartupNotify=true i.e. inserted your iwconfig/killall sequence before bringing up the interface; and now it is associating *every* time in my Wifi area at home (WEP) and in my office (WPA); it even reconnects fine, when I'm leaving the area and re-enter or when I moved from office to home; if I have some time I will investigate why this is now working; maybe there was always some of the wpa_supplicant (the one with the -u flag) left over; don't know what the -u option means, this option does not exist in FreeBSD's wpa_supplicant and the FR has no man pages installed; are they available somewhere in Internet to check? you can imagine how happy I am; thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows From neiljerram at googlemail.com Wed Oct 1 10:19:47 2008 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:19:47 +0100 Subject: [debian] install failure, fso-frameworkd is not going to be installed In-Reply-To: <1222818411802-1130308.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <49dd78620809280614x3d5c7dd9wfc3f5ecaf2d00b8a@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620809281018n73975b1fga553dde8b8bd833@mail.gmail.com> <8ef925aa0809281305t1e910f5bn1b43a06fb035320e@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620809281320h7177778fsc43ab7da2f067777@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620809281349u1a0d9f83iec423db9380df4b1@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620809301334wceb6fdaw63cfbd1251008670@mail.gmail.com> <1222818411802-1130308.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <49dd78620810010119q196484f8mca5c11bcb078797e@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/1 Tha_Man : > > Great find! I ran into this yesterday as well, but I have another question: > I'm using Om2008.9 to install Debian on my Freerunner, how do I 'install' > libcaca0 and libcucul0? > I know I can access the card, but how do I install these libs to it? You have to chroot into the Debian rootfs, like this: # chroot /mnt/debian /bin/sh Then you're in a new shell, where / is actually /mnt/debian. In this shell, you can use apt-get install exactly as if you had booted directly into Debian. Does that answer your question, or was there something else? Neil From dsamblasomcommunity at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 10:26:42 2008 From: dsamblasomcommunity at gmail.com (David Samblas) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:26:42 +0200 Subject: [FDOM 080927] Modem jokes on SIM entries In-Reply-To: <20081001080347.GA11751@gera-laptop> References: <48E1C13D.9010705@markas-al-nour.org> <1222756532.10429.167.camel@peregrintux> <48E32505.4010205@mail.ee> <20081001080347.GA11751@gera-laptop> Message-ID: <1222849602.10429.264.camel@peregrintux> Ok thats why I was unable to reproduce the issue, I allways have dissabled auto suspend, I suspend manually and I usually do a lot of things once the neo boots up before and I deatached it from the pc. Any one with same experience on a raw 2008.9 instalation?, if not maybe amstrong demux has become more inestable than expected. I we have to redo this part to have gprs and gsm at same time. or it is also included on 2008.9? some guiadance on alternatives or posible workarrounds will be apreciated :) Thanks El mi?, 01-10-2008 a las 13:33 +0530, Devendra Gera escribi?: > On Wed, 01 Oct 2008, madis wrote: > > > After registering if I try to open the phone book I see only message > > "Loading Sim..." > > I can't see my phone book content in Sim and my FR behaves very > > strangely also. > > I can't receive calls if somebody calls. My FR rings, but I am unable > > to press the answer button, the touch screen is not responding. > > The screen itself is ok, because all other times it works. > > I can't make any phone calls, my FR says it's dialing the number, > > but nothing happens in reality. > > I encounter the same issues. I have noticed that disabling auto suspend > and not doing _anything_ related to SIM or suspend (which means no > calls, no contacts, no messages etc.) until after ~5 minutes *after* GSM > registration helps. Then I try and make a call to my operator to verify > that everything work, and only then suspend manually. Doing this ensures > my phone keeps working when it wakes up. > > I have noticed that accessing SIM contacts even beyond this procedure > breaks suspend and/or calling unpredictably. I tend to avoid using SIM > contacts a much as I can. > > --gera. > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From captain.deadly at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 10:49:16 2008 From: captain.deadly at gmail.com (Arigead) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:49:16 +0100 Subject: [2008.09][FSO] Programming interface to wifi Icon In-Reply-To: <20081001073855.GA12307@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <48E22BEB.8010105@gmail.com> <20080930134457.GA10388@rebelion.Sisis.de> <48E326F8.8020301@gmail.com> <20081001073855.GA12307@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <48E3398C.6080907@gmail.com> Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d?a Wednesday, October 01, 2008 a las 08:30:00AM +0100, Arigead escribi?: > > >> Matthias Apitz wrote: >> >>> El d?a Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 02:38:51PM +0100, Arigead escribi?: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> Want to play with the wifi icon on the FR either in [2008.09] or >>>> [FSO] Perhaps [FSO] makes more sense in the long run. >>>> >>>> Anyhow can I from a C Program set the icon? And can I have a call back >>>> so that Icon being pressed issues a DBUS message? >>>> >>>> >>> If you create a file like this: >>> >>> root at om-gta02:/usr/share/applications# cat Wifi-up.desktop >>> [Desktop Entry] >>> Encoding=UTF-8 >>> Name=Wifi-up >>> Comment=Bring Wifi up with ifup eth0 >>> Exec=xterm -e "ifdown eth0 ; iwconfig eth0 txpower auto channel 1 ; killall wpa_supplicant ; killall udhcp ; ifup eth0 ; sleep 20" >>> Icon=wifi >>> Terminal=false >>> Type=Application >>> Categories=Application;Utilities; >>> SingleInstance=true >>> StartupNotify=true >>> >>> the icon will appear and of course you have an action Exec=... >>> >>> matthias >>> >>> >>> >> Thanks for that Matthias but you misunderstand me. At present the wifi >> icon, as far as I know, is plain white. I'd like to have three different >> Icons for the wifi one Red, one Orange/Amber and one Green (Traffic >> Lights). I'd like to create a daemon in C which every so often did a wee >> wifi scan to see what networks are out there. If no know wifi SSIDs are >> available then the icon is red. >> > ... > > I think I understood you already in your first post very well; you can > change the color or the image of a given icon just be rewriting (from C > or shell) the corresponding desktop file and let it point to another > icon with > > Icon=wifiRed > > or > > Icon=wifiAmber > > ... ofc the files 'wifiAmber.png' must exist in /usr/share/pixmaps > > HIH > > matthias > > > Ah! Sorry, now I see. Thanks million for that. Back to the play pen. From billk at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 1 10:51:30 2008 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:51:30 +0800 Subject: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable In-Reply-To: <20081001081029.GA13065@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> <48E1FB64.7040606@meshy.org> <20080930123704.GB8347@rebelion.Sisis.de> <1222779134.1169.49.camel@rattus.localdomain> <20081001081029.GA13065@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <1222851090.1169.122.camel@rattus.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 10:10 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d?a Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 08:52:14PM +0800, William Kenworthy escribi?: > > > On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 14:37 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > ... > > Hi William, > > A bit inspired by your commands since yesterday I have changed the > desktop file /usr/share/applications/Wifi-up.desktop into this: > ... I will use your desktop icon version - better than typing it in the terminal! also the -u isnt in gentoo's wpa_supplicant either, but: root at om-gta02:~# wpa_supplicant -h wpa_supplicant v0.6.3 Copyright (c) 2003-2008, Jouni Malinen and contributors This program is free software. You can distribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License version 2. Alternatively, this software may be distributed under the terms of the BSD license. See README and COPYING for more details. usage: wpa_supplicant [-BddhKLqqtuvwW] [-P] [-g] \ -i -c [-C] [-D] [-p] \ [-b] [-f] \ [-N -i -c [-C] [-D] \ [-p] [-b] ...] drivers: wext = Linux wireless extensions (generic) hostap = Host AP driver (Intersil Prism2/2.5/3) wired = wpa_supplicant wired Ethernet driver options: -b = optional bridge interface name -B = run daemon in the background -c = Configuration file -C = ctrl_interface parameter (only used if -c is not) -i = interface name -d = increase debugging verbosity (-dd even more) -D = driver name -g = global ctrl_interface -K = include keys (passwords, etc.) in debug output -t = include timestamp in debug messages -h = show this help text -L = show license (GPL and BSD) -p = driver parameters -P = PID file -q = decrease debugging verbosity (-qq even less) -u = enable DBus control interface -v = show version -W = wait for a control interface monitor before starting -N = start describing new interface example: wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf root at om-gta02:~# From alastair at truebox.co.uk Wed Oct 1 10:58:05 2008 From: alastair at truebox.co.uk (Alastair Johnson) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:58:05 +0100 Subject: [2008.09][FSO] Programming interface to wifi Icon In-Reply-To: <20081001073855.GA12307@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <48E22BEB.8010105@gmail.com> <20080930134457.GA10388@rebelion.Sisis.de> <48E326F8.8020301@gmail.com> <20081001073855.GA12307@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <48E33B9D.90302@truebox.co.uk> Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d?a Wednesday, October 01, 2008 a las 08:30:00AM +0100, Arigead escribi?: > >> Matthias Apitz wrote: >>> El d?a Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 02:38:51PM +0100, Arigead escribi?: >>> >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> Want to play with the wifi icon on the FR either in [2008.09] or >>>> [FSO] Perhaps [FSO] makes more sense in the long run. >>>> >>>> Anyhow can I from a C Program set the icon? And can I have a call back >>>> so that Icon being pressed issues a DBUS message? >>>> >>> If you create a file like this: >>> >>> root at om-gta02:/usr/share/applications# cat Wifi-up.desktop >>> [Desktop Entry] >>> Encoding=UTF-8 >>> Name=Wifi-up >>> Comment=Bring Wifi up with ifup eth0 >>> Exec=xterm -e "ifdown eth0 ; iwconfig eth0 txpower auto channel 1 ; killall wpa_supplicant ; killall udhcp ; ifup eth0 ; sleep 20" >>> Icon=wifi >>> Terminal=false >>> Type=Application >>> Categories=Application;Utilities; >>> SingleInstance=true >>> StartupNotify=true >>> >>> the icon will appear and of course you have an action Exec=... >>> >>> matthias >>> >>> >> Thanks for that Matthias but you misunderstand me. At present the wifi >> icon, as far as I know, is plain white. I'd like to have three different >> Icons for the wifi one Red, one Orange/Amber and one Green (Traffic >> Lights). I'd like to create a daemon in C which every so often did a wee >> wifi scan to see what networks are out there. If no know wifi SSIDs are >> available then the icon is red. > ... > > I think I understood you already in your first post very well; you can > change the color or the image of a given icon just be rewriting (from C > or shell) the corresponding desktop file and let it point to another > icon with > > Icon=wifiRed > > or > > Icon=wifiAmber > > ... ofc the files 'wifiAmber.png' must exist in /usr/share/pixmaps The .desktop file will put an icon in the application launcher. I think the parent is talking about the wifi icon in the illume bar at the top of the screen which is somewhat different. From captain.deadly at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 10:49:16 2008 From: captain.deadly at gmail.com (Arigead) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:49:16 +0100 Subject: [2008.09][FSO] Programming interface to wifi Icon In-Reply-To: <20081001073855.GA12307@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <48E22BEB.8010105@gmail.com> <20080930134457.GA10388@rebelion.Sisis.de> <48E326F8.8020301@gmail.com> <20081001073855.GA12307@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <48E3398C.6080907@gmail.com> Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d?a Wednesday, October 01, 2008 a las 08:30:00AM +0100, Arigead escribi?: > > >> Matthias Apitz wrote: >> >>> El d?a Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 02:38:51PM +0100, Arigead escribi?: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> Want to play with the wifi icon on the FR either in [2008.09] or >>>> [FSO] Perhaps [FSO] makes more sense in the long run. >>>> >>>> Anyhow can I from a C Program set the icon? And can I have a call back >>>> so that Icon being pressed issues a DBUS message? >>>> >>>> >>> If you create a file like this: >>> >>> root at om-gta02:/usr/share/applications# cat Wifi-up.desktop >>> [Desktop Entry] >>> Encoding=UTF-8 >>> Name=Wifi-up >>> Comment=Bring Wifi up with ifup eth0 >>> Exec=xterm -e "ifdown eth0 ; iwconfig eth0 txpower auto channel 1 ; killall wpa_supplicant ; killall udhcp ; ifup eth0 ; sleep 20" >>> Icon=wifi >>> Terminal=false >>> Type=Application >>> Categories=Application;Utilities; >>> SingleInstance=true >>> StartupNotify=true >>> >>> the icon will appear and of course you have an action Exec=... >>> >>> matthias >>> >>> >>> >> Thanks for that Matthias but you misunderstand me. At present the wifi >> icon, as far as I know, is plain white. I'd like to have three different >> Icons for the wifi one Red, one Orange/Amber and one Green (Traffic >> Lights). I'd like to create a daemon in C which every so often did a wee >> wifi scan to see what networks are out there. If no know wifi SSIDs are >> available then the icon is red. >> > ... > > I think I understood you already in your first post very well; you can > change the color or the image of a given icon just be rewriting (from C > or shell) the corresponding desktop file and let it point to another > icon with > > Icon=wifiRed > > or > > Icon=wifiAmber > > ... ofc the files 'wifiAmber.png' must exist in /usr/share/pixmaps > > HIH > > matthias > > > Ah! Sorry, now I see. Thanks million for that. Back to the play pen. From alastair at truebox.co.uk Wed Oct 1 10:58:05 2008 From: alastair at truebox.co.uk (Alastair Johnson) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:58:05 +0100 Subject: [2008.09][FSO] Programming interface to wifi Icon In-Reply-To: <20081001073855.GA12307@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <48E22BEB.8010105@gmail.com> <20080930134457.GA10388@rebelion.Sisis.de> <48E326F8.8020301@gmail.com> <20081001073855.GA12307@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <48E33B9D.90302@truebox.co.uk> Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d?a Wednesday, October 01, 2008 a las 08:30:00AM +0100, Arigead escribi?: > >> Matthias Apitz wrote: >>> El d?a Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 02:38:51PM +0100, Arigead escribi?: >>> >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> Want to play with the wifi icon on the FR either in [2008.09] or >>>> [FSO] Perhaps [FSO] makes more sense in the long run. >>>> >>>> Anyhow can I from a C Program set the icon? And can I have a call back >>>> so that Icon being pressed issues a DBUS message? >>>> >>> If you create a file like this: >>> >>> root at om-gta02:/usr/share/applications# cat Wifi-up.desktop >>> [Desktop Entry] >>> Encoding=UTF-8 >>> Name=Wifi-up >>> Comment=Bring Wifi up with ifup eth0 >>> Exec=xterm -e "ifdown eth0 ; iwconfig eth0 txpower auto channel 1 ; killall wpa_supplicant ; killall udhcp ; ifup eth0 ; sleep 20" >>> Icon=wifi >>> Terminal=false >>> Type=Application >>> Categories=Application;Utilities; >>> SingleInstance=true >>> StartupNotify=true >>> >>> the icon will appear and of course you have an action Exec=... >>> >>> matthias >>> >>> >> Thanks for that Matthias but you misunderstand me. At present the wifi >> icon, as far as I know, is plain white. I'd like to have three different >> Icons for the wifi one Red, one Orange/Amber and one Green (Traffic >> Lights). I'd like to create a daemon in C which every so often did a wee >> wifi scan to see what networks are out there. If no know wifi SSIDs are >> available then the icon is red. > ... > > I think I understood you already in your first post very well; you can > change the color or the image of a given icon just be rewriting (from C > or shell) the corresponding desktop file and let it point to another > icon with > > Icon=wifiRed > > or > > Icon=wifiAmber > > ... ofc the files 'wifiAmber.png' must exist in /usr/share/pixmaps The .desktop file will put an icon in the application launcher. I think the parent is talking about the wifi icon in the illume bar at the top of the screen which is somewhat different. From captain.deadly at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 10:49:16 2008 From: captain.deadly at gmail.com (Arigead) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:49:16 +0100 Subject: [2008.09][FSO] Programming interface to wifi Icon In-Reply-To: <20081001073855.GA12307@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <48E22BEB.8010105@gmail.com> <20080930134457.GA10388@rebelion.Sisis.de> <48E326F8.8020301@gmail.com> <20081001073855.GA12307@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <48E3398C.6080907@gmail.com> Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d?a Wednesday, October 01, 2008 a las 08:30:00AM +0100, Arigead escribi?: > > >> Matthias Apitz wrote: >> >>> El d?a Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 02:38:51PM +0100, Arigead escribi?: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> Want to play with the wifi icon on the FR either in [2008.09] or >>>> [FSO] Perhaps [FSO] makes more sense in the long run. >>>> >>>> Anyhow can I from a C Program set the icon? And can I have a call back >>>> so that Icon being pressed issues a DBUS message? >>>> >>>> >>> If you create a file like this: >>> >>> root at om-gta02:/usr/share/applications# cat Wifi-up.desktop >>> [Desktop Entry] >>> Encoding=UTF-8 >>> Name=Wifi-up >>> Comment=Bring Wifi up with ifup eth0 >>> Exec=xterm -e "ifdown eth0 ; iwconfig eth0 txpower auto channel 1 ; killall wpa_supplicant ; killall udhcp ; ifup eth0 ; sleep 20" >>> Icon=wifi >>> Terminal=false >>> Type=Application >>> Categories=Application;Utilities; >>> SingleInstance=true >>> StartupNotify=true >>> >>> the icon will appear and of course you have an action Exec=... >>> >>> matthias >>> >>> >>> >> Thanks for that Matthias but you misunderstand me. At present the wifi >> icon, as far as I know, is plain white. I'd like to have three different >> Icons for the wifi one Red, one Orange/Amber and one Green (Traffic >> Lights). I'd like to create a daemon in C which every so often did a wee >> wifi scan to see what networks are out there. If no know wifi SSIDs are >> available then the icon is red. >> > ... > > I think I understood you already in your first post very well; you can > change the color or the image of a given icon just be rewriting (from C > or shell) the corresponding desktop file and let it point to another > icon with > > Icon=wifiRed > > or > > Icon=wifiAmber > > ... ofc the files 'wifiAmber.png' must exist in /usr/share/pixmaps > > HIH > > matthias > > > Ah! Sorry, now I see. Thanks million for that. Back to the play pen. From mohammad at illuder.com Wed Oct 1 10:51:16 2008 From: mohammad at illuder.com (Mohammad Ashraf Patel) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:51:16 +0200 Subject: www.fring.com on Openmoko Message-ID: <036001c923a2$e0ba4e30$a22eea90$@com> Hi I am looking for programmers who can start and complete a project for me. I am sure you know of www.fring.com . Unfortunately Fring management and I cannot agree to my request as they cannot do OEM/ODM. I am not willing to brand their name in my phone. Simply speaking, 1. I need a Linux based phone with WIFI and GPRS/3G capability. This phone must be constantly connected to the internet, first priority as WIFI, if WIFI not available (out of HOTSPOT range), then it connects to my GPRS/3G data internet VPN and continues being connected to my SIP server. 2. This phone must have a Fring replica program loaded in the startup. Two main features is call in/out and instant messaging. 3. When the user wants to call out, he dials from the program and when receiving calls, he receives from the program. The default dial in and out must be through data, not through GSM card. GSM voice calls will be disabled either through the service provider or through the software you design. 4. As for the instant messaging, it must connect to my IM server as well. However, there must still be an SMS feature available. If anyone can replicate the Fring program then we?re in business. I am looking for a long term partnership with regular updates as clients request them. Please do not try to take on a project you are unfamiliar with. I need quick and efficient programming for this project. Lastly, I would like to know a list of phones you are comfortable working with. Remember that the phone must have GPRS or 3G connection. Not necessarily an expensive phone. Just one you have experience with. I can be contacted via email on mohammad at illuder.com or on msn illuder at hotmail.com or skype illuder Thank you Regards Mohammad A. Patel Managing Director O Tel Tel: 0861-ILLUDER Fax: +2711-823-2064 Cell: 0 786 88 47 47 Fax2email: 086 502 3407 National: 0861 ILLUDER mohammad at illuder.com www.illuder.com ---------------------------------- "He who seeks more than what is necessary indulges in error." ~ UTHMAAN RA ~ ---------------------------------- J?bir (Radhiyall?hu ?Anhu) narrates that Rasulull?h (Sallal?hu ?Alayhi Wasallam) cursed the one devours interest, the one who facilitates it, the one who witnesses it and the one who records it. He said they are all equal. (Sah?h Muslim) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/06a4819e/attachment.htm From captain.deadly at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 10:49:16 2008 From: captain.deadly at gmail.com (Arigead) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:49:16 +0100 Subject: [2008.09][FSO] Programming interface to wifi Icon In-Reply-To: <20081001073855.GA12307@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <48E22BEB.8010105@gmail.com> <20080930134457.GA10388@rebelion.Sisis.de> <48E326F8.8020301@gmail.com> <20081001073855.GA12307@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <48E3398C.6080907@gmail.com> Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d?a Wednesday, October 01, 2008 a las 08:30:00AM +0100, Arigead escribi?: > > >> Matthias Apitz wrote: >> >>> El d?a Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 02:38:51PM +0100, Arigead escribi?: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> Want to play with the wifi icon on the FR either in [2008.09] or >>>> [FSO] Perhaps [FSO] makes more sense in the long run. >>>> >>>> Anyhow can I from a C Program set the icon? And can I have a call back >>>> so that Icon being pressed issues a DBUS message? >>>> >>>> >>> If you create a file like this: >>> >>> root at om-gta02:/usr/share/applications# cat Wifi-up.desktop >>> [Desktop Entry] >>> Encoding=UTF-8 >>> Name=Wifi-up >>> Comment=Bring Wifi up with ifup eth0 >>> Exec=xterm -e "ifdown eth0 ; iwconfig eth0 txpower auto channel 1 ; killall wpa_supplicant ; killall udhcp ; ifup eth0 ; sleep 20" >>> Icon=wifi >>> Terminal=false >>> Type=Application >>> Categories=Application;Utilities; >>> SingleInstance=true >>> StartupNotify=true >>> >>> the icon will appear and of course you have an action Exec=... >>> >>> matthias >>> >>> >>> >> Thanks for that Matthias but you misunderstand me. At present the wifi >> icon, as far as I know, is plain white. I'd like to have three different >> Icons for the wifi one Red, one Orange/Amber and one Green (Traffic >> Lights). I'd like to create a daemon in C which every so often did a wee >> wifi scan to see what networks are out there. If no know wifi SSIDs are >> available then the icon is red. >> > ... > > I think I understood you already in your first post very well; you can > change the color or the image of a given icon just be rewriting (from C > or shell) the corresponding desktop file and let it point to another > icon with > > Icon=wifiRed > > or > > Icon=wifiAmber > > ... ofc the files 'wifiAmber.png' must exist in /usr/share/pixmaps > > HIH > > matthias > > > Ah! Sorry, now I see. Thanks million for that. Back to the play pen. From openmoko at ginguppin.de Wed Oct 1 11:58:52 2008 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:58:52 +0200 Subject: Debian size and uSD In-Reply-To: <6016f9080809301526w4d70975an3dac5338171f9501@mail.gmail.com> References: <6016f9080809301526w4d70975an3dac5338171f9501@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Another thing is I bought a 2G uSD and I want to move my debian system to > that card. If I manually partition it (8MB fat and rest ext2) and just > copy > contents of 512M, would it work? Or maybe i can copy an image using dd > and > then somehow resize the partition. Anyone tried migrating from one SD to > another? do not use plain cp -- it will most likely result in some corruption of special files. your best bet would be either tar or rsync, depending of your usecase. for rsync (and tar on-the-fly) you could copy the partitions with dd, mount the images with loop and transfer your data. From mohammad at illuder.com Wed Oct 1 10:51:16 2008 From: mohammad at illuder.com (Mohammad Ashraf Patel) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:51:16 +0200 Subject: www.fring.com on Openmoko Message-ID: <036001c923a2$e0ba4e30$a22eea90$@com> Hi I am looking for programmers who can start and complete a project for me. I am sure you know of www.fring.com . Unfortunately Fring management and I cannot agree to my request as they cannot do OEM/ODM. I am not willing to brand their name in my phone. Simply speaking, 1. I need a Linux based phone with WIFI and GPRS/3G capability. This phone must be constantly connected to the internet, first priority as WIFI, if WIFI not available (out of HOTSPOT range), then it connects to my GPRS/3G data internet VPN and continues being connected to my SIP server. 2. This phone must have a Fring replica program loaded in the startup. Two main features is call in/out and instant messaging. 3. When the user wants to call out, he dials from the program and when receiving calls, he receives from the program. The default dial in and out must be through data, not through GSM card. GSM voice calls will be disabled either through the service provider or through the software you design. 4. As for the instant messaging, it must connect to my IM server as well. However, there must still be an SMS feature available. If anyone can replicate the Fring program then we?re in business. I am looking for a long term partnership with regular updates as clients request them. Please do not try to take on a project you are unfamiliar with. I need quick and efficient programming for this project. Lastly, I would like to know a list of phones you are comfortable working with. Remember that the phone must have GPRS or 3G connection. Not necessarily an expensive phone. Just one you have experience with. I can be contacted via email on mohammad at illuder.com or on msn illuder at hotmail.com or skype illuder Thank you Regards Mohammad A. Patel Managing Director O Tel Tel: 0861-ILLUDER Fax: +2711-823-2064 Cell: 0 786 88 47 47 Fax2email: 086 502 3407 National: 0861 ILLUDER mohammad at illuder.com www.illuder.com ---------------------------------- "He who seeks more than what is necessary indulges in error." ~ UTHMAAN RA ~ ---------------------------------- J?bir (Radhiyall?hu ?Anhu) narrates that Rasulull?h (Sallal?hu ?Alayhi Wasallam) cursed the one devours interest, the one who facilitates it, the one who witnesses it and the one who records it. He said they are all equal. (Sah?h Muslim) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/06a4819e/attachment-0001.htm From dsamblasomcommunity at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 13:08:26 2008 From: dsamblasomcommunity at gmail.com (David Samblas) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:08:26 +0200 Subject: gsmhandset state file to test Message-ID: <1222859306.10429.283.camel@peregrintux> Hi there on of our colleges[1] of the spanish list has provided us with an gsmhanset state file that "solves" low volume on call reciver , I have barelly tested it alone with a phone en each ear :). I will test it further along the day and post the results, any one else willing to try is wellcome to do it. from neo or ssh console cd /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ mv gsmhandset.state gsmhandset.state.original wget http://n2.nabble.com/attachment/1129707/0/gsmhandset.state [1]The original post http://n2.nabble.com/-Fwd%3A-eco-y-audio--tc1129707ef1958.html From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt Wed Oct 1 13:15:03 2008 From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:15:03 +0100 Subject: Debian size and uSD In-Reply-To: References: <6016f9080809301526w4d70975an3dac5338171f9501@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081001121503.23816b2117bmyagw@w10.mail.sapo.pt> I usually do "cp -ax ..." with success. I've cloned entire operating systems like this in the past without problems. Haven't tried with OM yet, but it worked with a couple of Ubuntu installations. Takes a long time, though... ;) Obviously, you preferably do it with the filesystem offline... booting from somewhere else. Citando arne anka : >> Another thing is I bought a 2G uSD and I want to move my debian system to >> that card. If I manually partition it (8MB fat and rest ext2) and just >> copy >> contents of 512M, would it work? Or maybe i can copy an image using dd >> and >> then somehow resize the partition. Anyone tried migrating from one SD to >> another? > > do not use plain cp -- it will most likely result in some corruption of > special files. > your best bet would be either tar or rsync, depending of your usecase. > > for rsync (and tar on-the-fly) you could copy the partitions with dd, > mount the images with loop and transfer your data. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From dsamblasomcommunity at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 13:08:26 2008 From: dsamblasomcommunity at gmail.com (David Samblas) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:08:26 +0200 Subject: gsmhandset state file to test Message-ID: <1222859306.10429.283.camel@peregrintux> Hi there on of our colleges[1] of the spanish list has provided us with an gsmhanset state file that "solves" low volume on call reciver , I have barelly tested it alone with a phone en each ear :). I will test it further along the day and post the results, any one else willing to try is wellcome to do it. from neo or ssh console cd /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ mv gsmhandset.state gsmhandset.state.original wget http://n2.nabble.com/attachment/1129707/0/gsmhandset.state [1]The original post http://n2.nabble.com/-Fwd%3A-eco-y-audio--tc1129707ef1958.html From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt Wed Oct 1 13:15:03 2008 From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:15:03 +0100 Subject: Debian size and uSD In-Reply-To: References: <6016f9080809301526w4d70975an3dac5338171f9501@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081001121503.23816b2117bmyagw@w10.mail.sapo.pt> I usually do "cp -ax ..." with success. I've cloned entire operating systems like this in the past without problems. Haven't tried with OM yet, but it worked with a couple of Ubuntu installations. Takes a long time, though... ;) Obviously, you preferably do it with the filesystem offline... booting from somewhere else. Citando arne anka : >> Another thing is I bought a 2G uSD and I want to move my debian system to >> that card. If I manually partition it (8MB fat and rest ext2) and just >> copy >> contents of 512M, would it work? Or maybe i can copy an image using dd >> and >> then somehow resize the partition. Anyone tried migrating from one SD to >> another? > > do not use plain cp -- it will most likely result in some corruption of > special files. > your best bet would be either tar or rsync, depending of your usecase. > > for rsync (and tar on-the-fly) you could copy the partitions with dd, > mount the images with loop and transfer your data. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From stargazer.dave at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 13:28:49 2008 From: stargazer.dave at gmail.com (Nishit Dave) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:58:49 +0530 Subject: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable In-Reply-To: <200810011035.12348.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200810011035.12348.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> Message-ID: <3e29d8b00810010428v1385400cid0910c6b9ce55bfc@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Sarton O'Brien wrote: > > I use testing and have varied success with wifi. I don't bother with trying > to > identify what going on by what's being reported. It has been stated on here > that the issues with the driver are great enough that statistics may be > skewed. > > What I have witnessed is that sometimes it appears the wireless hardware is > next to useless ... but then under a different update or on another day it > functions flawlessly even in a problematic area of the house. When I was > running stable with no real updates coming down, I couldn't even be > bothered > with wireless. > > At the moment, I am having issues. Selecting wireless 'on' results in > nothing > being displayed. I have to push all my scripts back across so I haven't > tested > manually yet. > > So in summary, I don't think it's worth attempting to figure this out as an > end user as yet. I believe it's driver/kernel related. The hardware itself > is > quite new so it doesn't really surprise me. I'd wait for a statement as > _everybody_ has this problem. I can't imagine the devs are sitting there > with > freerunners and working wireless ;) > > All this discussion does not help if you realize that even after placing the FR *next* to the blooming router, you get reported a signal strength of 65%. What does the hardware expect, building the router *inside* the FR? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/db77f209/attachment.htm From hiretto at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 13:34:56 2008 From: hiretto at gmail.com (Hire) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 04:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: gsmhandset state file to test In-Reply-To: <1222859306.10429.283.camel@peregrintux> References: <1222859306.10429.283.camel@peregrintux> Message-ID: <1222860896869-1131204.post@n2.nabble.com> David Samblas-3 wrote: > > Hi there on of our colleges[1] of the spanish list has provided us with > an gsmhanset state file that "solves" low volume on call reciver , I > have barelly tested it alone with a phone en each ear :). I will test it > further along the day and post the results, any one else willing to try > is wellcome to do it. > > from neo or ssh console > cd /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ > mv gsmhandset.state gsmhandset.state.original > wget http://n2.nabble.com/attachment/1129707/0/gsmhandset.state > > [1]The original post > http://n2.nabble.com/-Fwd%3A-eco-y-audio--tc1129707ef1958.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > I will try it now :) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/gsmhandset-state-file-to-test-tp1131194p1131204.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From guru at unixarea.de Wed Oct 1 13:37:52 2008 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:37:52 +0200 Subject: [Om2008.9] launching GPRS by hand Message-ID: <20081001113752.GA18721@rebelion.Sisis.de> Hello, The Wiki page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS describes how to make GPRS working by hand in Om2007.2 and most of the stuff for chat-scripts and PPP options seems to be correct (compared with what I was using with my cellphone connected via V.24 to my laptop); in 2007.2 there was a gsmd daemon controlling the serial port /dev/ttySAC0 which seems now to be Qtopia's 'qpe', but I don't see any method to stop and start this via scripts in /etc/init.d; how is this supposed to work now? if I kill the 'qpe' by hand a window pops up and is asking to restart it with F1 or exit with F3; I killed it too and was able to talk with PPPD chat-scripts to the modem and have already LCP layer of PPPD up; there is still an issue with the CHAP phase to solve, but I'm getting closer; will update later also the Wiki... but first I want to have all in the places; ok, what is todo with 'qpe'? thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows From dsamblasomcommunity at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 13:08:26 2008 From: dsamblasomcommunity at gmail.com (David Samblas) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:08:26 +0200 Subject: gsmhandset state file to test Message-ID: <1222859306.10429.283.camel@peregrintux> Hi there on of our colleges[1] of the spanish list has provided us with an gsmhanset state file that "solves" low volume on call reciver , I have barelly tested it alone with a phone en each ear :). I will test it further along the day and post the results, any one else willing to try is wellcome to do it. from neo or ssh console cd /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ mv gsmhandset.state gsmhandset.state.original wget http://n2.nabble.com/attachment/1129707/0/gsmhandset.state [1]The original post http://n2.nabble.com/-Fwd%3A-eco-y-audio--tc1129707ef1958.html From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt Wed Oct 1 13:15:03 2008 From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:15:03 +0100 Subject: Debian size and uSD In-Reply-To: References: <6016f9080809301526w4d70975an3dac5338171f9501@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081001121503.23816b2117bmyagw@w10.mail.sapo.pt> I usually do "cp -ax ..." with success. I've cloned entire operating systems like this in the past without problems. Haven't tried with OM yet, but it worked with a couple of Ubuntu installations. Takes a long time, though... ;) Obviously, you preferably do it with the filesystem offline... booting from somewhere else. Citando arne anka : >> Another thing is I bought a 2G uSD and I want to move my debian system to >> that card. If I manually partition it (8MB fat and rest ext2) and just >> copy >> contents of 512M, would it work? Or maybe i can copy an image using dd >> and >> then somehow resize the partition. Anyone tried migrating from one SD to >> another? > > do not use plain cp -- it will most likely result in some corruption of > special files. > your best bet would be either tar or rsync, depending of your usecase. > > for rsync (and tar on-the-fly) you could copy the partitions with dd, > mount the images with loop and transfer your data. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From vdv100 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 13:51:48 2008 From: vdv100 at gmail.com (Valerio Valerio) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:51:48 +0100 Subject: ReMoKo and openSuSE 11 In-Reply-To: <2165c69d0810010010g15243b7pa56287421b8ac1ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <200809241507.49026.hcc@gatech.edu> <2165c69d0809272111v23b6cfa6ob7f763f6fc417b63@mail.gmail.com> <2165c69d0809272120w63a961bdj6cc74953f51a2611@mail.gmail.com> <2165c69d0809272140x75446d99u1a58643f4a33140c@mail.gmail.com> <2165c69d0810010008i617e1c6sb8b3421d1ea1b4cc@mail.gmail.com> <2165c69d0810010010g15243b7pa56287421b8ac1ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, 2008/10/1 Flyin_bbb8 > ok i don't know if this might be useful but the line "--> BlueZ input > service started" is only showin in the terminal through ssh after i press > the X button > this is the normal behavior, ReMoko stop the input service because use the same channels to send information, on exit ReMoko restore the initial conditions of the system. The weird thing is that your system try to connect on the psm 1 ( L2CAP(s): Connect req: psm 1 scid 0x0040), and the HID psm are the 17 and 19, which version of BlueZ do you have on your system ? Best regads, -- Val?rio Val?rio http://www.valeriovalerio.org > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Xav From stargazer.dave at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 14:06:33 2008 From: stargazer.dave at gmail.com (Nishit Dave) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:36:33 +0530 Subject: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable In-Reply-To: <1222861963.18634.29.camel@skunk.anacadf.mentorg.com> References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200810011035.12348.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> <3e29d8b00810010428v1385400cid0910c6b9ce55bfc@mail.gmail.com> <1222861963.18634.29.camel@skunk.anacadf.mentorg.com> Message-ID: <3e29d8b00810010506n7ba4839akbdd7710d14773c06@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Xavier Bestel wrote: > On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 16:58 +0530, Nishit Dave wrote: > > > > All this discussion does not help if you realize that even after > > placing the FR *next* to the blooming router, you get reported a > > signal strength of 65%. What does the hardware expect, building the > > router *inside* the FR? > > Note that interferences may weaken an otherwise perfectly good signal. > So the proximity isn't always synonymous with good signal strengh. > > Xav > No? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/66a15e24/attachment.htm From mohammad at illuder.com Wed Oct 1 10:51:16 2008 From: mohammad at illuder.com (Mohammad Ashraf Patel) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:51:16 +0200 Subject: www.fring.com on Openmoko Message-ID: <036001c923a2$e0ba4e30$a22eea90$@com> Hi I am looking for programmers who can start and complete a project for me. I am sure you know of www.fring.com . Unfortunately Fring management and I cannot agree to my request as they cannot do OEM/ODM. I am not willing to brand their name in my phone. Simply speaking, 1. I need a Linux based phone with WIFI and GPRS/3G capability. This phone must be constantly connected to the internet, first priority as WIFI, if WIFI not available (out of HOTSPOT range), then it connects to my GPRS/3G data internet VPN and continues being connected to my SIP server. 2. This phone must have a Fring replica program loaded in the startup. Two main features is call in/out and instant messaging. 3. When the user wants to call out, he dials from the program and when receiving calls, he receives from the program. The default dial in and out must be through data, not through GSM card. GSM voice calls will be disabled either through the service provider or through the software you design. 4. As for the instant messaging, it must connect to my IM server as well. However, there must still be an SMS feature available. If anyone can replicate the Fring program then we?re in business. I am looking for a long term partnership with regular updates as clients request them. Please do not try to take on a project you are unfamiliar with. I need quick and efficient programming for this project. Lastly, I would like to know a list of phones you are comfortable working with. Remember that the phone must have GPRS or 3G connection. Not necessarily an expensive phone. Just one you have experience with. I can be contacted via email on mohammad at illuder.com or on msn illuder at hotmail.com or skype illuder Thank you Regards Mohammad A. Patel Managing Director O Tel Tel: 0861-ILLUDER Fax: +2711-823-2064 Cell: 0 786 88 47 47 Fax2email: 086 502 3407 National: 0861 ILLUDER mohammad at illuder.com www.illuder.com ---------------------------------- "He who seeks more than what is necessary indulges in error." ~ UTHMAAN RA ~ ---------------------------------- J?bir (Radhiyall?hu ?Anhu) narrates that Rasulull?h (Sallal?hu ?Alayhi Wasallam) cursed the one devours interest, the one who facilitates it, the one who witnesses it and the one who records it. He said they are all equal. 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What does the hardware expect, > building the > > router *inside* the FR? > > > Note that interferences may weaken an otherwise perfectly good > signal. > So the proximity isn't always synonymous with good signal > strengh. > > Xav > > No? Well, the closer you are, the better the signal is. But in my building, there are many other wifi networks. And in the evening, when they are all in use, I get a worst signal even when near my AP, whereas e.g. during the night it's better. At least I seem to have observed that. Xav From stargazer.dave at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 14:23:09 2008 From: stargazer.dave at gmail.com (Nishit Dave) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:53:09 +0530 Subject: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable In-Reply-To: <1222863576.18634.35.camel@skunk.anacadf.mentorg.com> References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200810011035.12348.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> <3e29d8b00810010428v1385400cid0910c6b9ce55bfc@mail.gmail.com> <1222861963.18634.29.camel@skunk.anacadf.mentorg.com> <3e29d8b00810010506n7ba4839akbdd7710d14773c06@mail.gmail.com> <1222863576.18634.35.camel@skunk.anacadf.mentorg.com> Message-ID: <3e29d8b00810010523haed87a1t5cd1e265bcb644bf@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Xavier Bestel wrote: > On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 17:36 +0530, Nishit Dave wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Xavier Bestel > > wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 16:58 +0530, Nishit Dave wrote: > > > > > > > All this discussion does not help if you realize that even > > after > > > placing the FR *next* to the blooming router, you get > > reported a > > > signal strength of 65%. What does the hardware expect, > > building the > > > router *inside* the FR? > > > > > > Note that interferences may weaken an otherwise perfectly good > > signal. > > So the proximity isn't always synonymous with good signal > > strengh. > > > > Xav > > > > No? > > Well, the closer you are, the better the signal is. > But in my building, there are many other wifi networks. And in the > evening, when they are all in use, I get a worst signal even when near > my AP, whereas e.g. during the night it's better. At least I seem to > have observed that. > > Have you used Occam's Razor on that? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/696ff818/attachment.htm From bastian.muck at gmx.de Wed Oct 1 14:28:26 2008 From: bastian.muck at gmx.de (Bastian Muck) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:28:26 +0200 Subject: Failure while opkg upgrade Message-ID: <48E36CEA.4060208@gmx.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello community, I've got a little problem. The last times, when i made opkg update/upgrade I got this error: FATAL: Error inserting snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753 (/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/sound/soc/s3c24xx/snd-soc-neo1973-wm8753.ko): No such device May this be the reason, that i can't hear anything when I try to call someone and this person can't hear me? How can I fix this? Greetings Bastian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFI42zqlYiDScJJ+7QRAtu4AKCPPfoXIFSaURq+FLMZYmG43J4vHQCghOYI /Ok0fzDS62lMwLg8wg8xajU= =HgrU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From billk at iinet.net.au Wed Oct 1 14:35:19 2008 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:35:19 +0800 Subject: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable In-Reply-To: <3e29d8b00810010428v1385400cid0910c6b9ce55bfc@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200810011035.12348.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> <3e29d8b00810010428v1385400cid0910c6b9ce55bfc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222864519.8112.9.camel@rattus.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 16:58 +0530, Nishit Dave wrote: > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Sarton O'Brien > wrote: ... > > > All this discussion does not help if you realize that even after > placing the FR *next* to the blooming router, you get reported a > signal strength of 65%. What does the hardware expect, building the > router *inside* the FR? > Dont forget that wifi drivers in general are HIGHLY inaccurate with regards to signal strength and any other figure you care to name. The mad-wifi drivers on linux used to give wildly varying figures from version to version on the same laptop a couple of years ago as an example. Also have a look at what many windows drivers report ... They are really only useful as a relative figure within the device/version on the day of use (yes, they can be that bad :( BillK From kieran.fleming at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 14:37:26 2008 From: kieran.fleming at gmail.com (Kieran Fleming) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:07:26 +0930 Subject: [debian] Sephora 0.1 - Suggestions needed In-Reply-To: <48DAAE43.9000605@gmail.com> References: <48D95CE3.9040809@gmail.com> <1222207898575-1113852.post@n2.nabble.com> <48D9D37E.2080906@gmail.com> <1222240738995-1114691.post@n2.nabble.com> <48D9ED16.5060008@gmail.com> <1222242330136-1114738.post@n2.nabble.com> <48DAAE43.9000605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222864646.6698.6.camel@kizza> A small bug - I can't enter my APN in the GPRS settings because there is a size limit on the field. Based on reading the GSM spec, the maximum length allowed seems to be 100 characters. The spec i found is at www.3gpp.org/ftp/TSG_SA/WG2_Arch/TSGS2_05/SMG12_and_QoSah/TDocs/C-99-466.doc if anyone wants to try to make sense of it. On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 23:16 +0200, Michele Renda wrote: > vale wrote: > > yeah more ideas :D > > > > - Power: suspend, shutdown, reboot > > - Screen: brightness, touchscreen on/off, rotate > > - Sound: volume / mute > > - LED control > > - Accelereometers: read out data > > - Network: show connections (ifconfig) > > So, here there are the ideas I collected until now ( I divided between > the one I'd like to implement within the next version and the others) > > NEXT VERSION: > > > [GPS] > a. Fix status / Time to fist fix > b. Warm / Cold restart > c. Satellite time (Botton to sync the clock with satellite time) > > [Phone] > d. NTP time (button to sync the clock with NTP server time) > > [Screen] > e. Brightness level > f. Screen rotate (Ps. someone know if glamo run now under Debian?) > > > > FUTURE VERSION: > > [Sound] > Volume / Mute > waiting to know which will be the framework to use in DEBIAN for FR > > [USB] > Show a list of attached USB device (when in host mode, like an lsusb) > > [Wifi] > Show a list of available wireless network > > [Network] > Show a list of interfaces? :) > > > Please send me others idea / suggestions, they will be very apreciated > > Michele Renda > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From michele.renda at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 14:43:18 2008 From: michele.renda at gmail.com (Michele Renda) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:43:18 +0200 Subject: [debian] Sephora 0.1 - Suggestions needed In-Reply-To: References: <48D95CE3.9040809@gmail.com> <1222207898575-1113852.post@n2.nabble.com> <48D9D37E.2080906@gmail.com> <1222240738995-1114691.post@n2.nabble.com> <48D9ED16.5060008@gmail.com> <48DAAEEE.3040100@gmail.com> Message-ID: I am using gyspy it seem to be very simple. I like it! :) Michele Renda From jeroenbreg at hotmail.com Wed Oct 1 15:01:37 2008 From: jeroenbreg at hotmail.com (Tha_Man) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [debian] install failure, fso-frameworkd is not going to be installed In-Reply-To: <49dd78620810010119q196484f8mca5c11bcb078797e@mail.gmail.com> References: <49dd78620809280614x3d5c7dd9wfc3f5ecaf2d00b8a@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620809281018n73975b1fga553dde8b8bd833@mail.gmail.com> <8ef925aa0809281305t1e910f5bn1b43a06fb035320e@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620809281320h7177778fsc43ab7da2f067777@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620809281349u1a0d9f83iec423db9380df4b1@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620809301334wceb6fdaw63cfbd1251008670@mail.gmail.com> <1222818411802-1130308.post@n2.nabble.com> <49dd78620810010119q196484f8mca5c11bcb078797e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222866097340-1131349.post@n2.nabble.com> Neil Jerram wrote: > > 2008/10/1 Tha_Man : >> >> Great find! I ran into this yesterday as well, but I have another >> question: >> I'm using Om2008.9 to install Debian on my Freerunner, how do I 'install' >> libcaca0 and libcucul0? >> I know I can access the card, but how do I install these libs to it? > > You have to chroot into the Debian rootfs, like this: > > # chroot /mnt/debian /bin/sh > > Then you're in a new shell, where / is actually /mnt/debian. In this > shell, you can use apt-get install exactly as if you had booted > directly into Debian. > > Does that answer your question, or was there something else? > > Neil > That did answer my question, many thanks mate! I tried using aptitude, but besides that it is slooooooooow, it couldn't solve the dependencies so I installed them myself by downloading them from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libc/libcaca/ Currently installing fso-frameworkd so it's looking good; hope to have Debian fully installed in a bit :-) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--install-failure%2C-fso-frameworkd-is-not-going-to-be-installed-tp1124046p1131349.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From michele.renda at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 15:03:41 2008 From: michele.renda at gmail.com (Michele Renda) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:03:41 +0200 Subject: [debian] Sephora 0.1 - Suggestions needed In-Reply-To: <1222864646.6698.6.camel@kizza> References: <48D95CE3.9040809@gmail.com> <1222207898575-1113852.post@n2.nabble.com> <48D9D37E.2080906@gmail.com> <1222240738995-1114691.post@n2.nabble.com> <48D9ED16.5060008@gmail.com> <1222242330136-1114738.post@n2.nabble.com> <48DAAE43.9000605@gmail.com> <1222864646.6698.6.camel@kizza> Message-ID: I know.... It is very complicated to fit it to stay in a little screen (or may be I use a big font). I was thinking to the poor person that will localize it in German. I every case I will release for this evening (I hope) a 2.0 pre alpha.... where I improved a lot the GPS section (now it show the current time, the position, and some other little things) I will fix also this bug (really, I was not thinking that someone will use this gui :) I am adding also some command line switch to set: a) Language: current supported en, it, ro b) Preload mode: following a discussion of yesterday I read that some person think that python can do slow gui... I am new to python so I want to make sephora a bit optimized. I restructured the code be used in preload mode o not preload. In preload mode the starting of the program is more slow, but then the switch between the section is very fast. Without preload without is the contrary. I would like to know if what do you think about it, and if according you is possible an ibrid solution. I will keep you informed Michele Renda From hcc at gatech.edu Wed Oct 1 15:02:20 2008 From: hcc at gatech.edu (Claus Christmann) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:02:20 -0400 Subject: ReMoKo and openSuSE 11 In-Reply-To: References: <200809241507.49026.hcc@gatech.edu> <2165c69d0810010010g15243b7pa56287421b8ac1ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810010902.20994.hcc@gatech.edu> On Wednesday 01 October 2008 07:51:48 am Valerio Valerio wrote: > Hi, > > 2008/10/1 Flyin_bbb8 > > > ok i don't know if this might be useful but the line "--> BlueZ input > > service started" is only showin in the terminal through ssh after i press > > the X button > > this is the normal behavior, ReMoko stop the input service because use the > same channels to send information, on exit ReMoko restore the initial > conditions of the system. > The weird thing is that your system try to connect on the psm 1 ( L2CAP(s): > Connect req: psm 1 scid 0x0040), and the HID psm are the 17 and 19, which > version of BlueZ do you have on your system ? > > Best regads, Sorry for beeing absent on this thread for so long... I run into the exact same issues as described so far. Here is the data on my bluez installation (standart setup for an openSuSE 11.0 install): bluez-libs: 3.32-3.2 (Tue 15 Jul 2008 12:36:04 PM EDT) bluez-utils: 3.32-8.2 (Tue 15 Jul 2008 09:25:35 PM EDT) Thanks a lot for your help, Valerio. Claus -- Claus Christmann Graduate Research Assistant Georgia Institute of Technology 270 Ferst Drive Atlanta, GA 30332-0150, USA http://uav.ae.gatech.edu From michele.renda at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 15:03:41 2008 From: michele.renda at gmail.com (Michele Renda) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:03:41 +0200 Subject: [debian] Sephora 0.1 - Suggestions needed In-Reply-To: <1222864646.6698.6.camel@kizza> References: <48D95CE3.9040809@gmail.com> <1222207898575-1113852.post@n2.nabble.com> <48D9D37E.2080906@gmail.com> <1222240738995-1114691.post@n2.nabble.com> <48D9ED16.5060008@gmail.com> <1222242330136-1114738.post@n2.nabble.com> <48DAAE43.9000605@gmail.com> <1222864646.6698.6.camel@kizza> Message-ID: I know.... It is very complicated to fit it to stay in a little screen (or may be I use a big font). I was thinking to the poor person that will localize it in German. I every case I will release for this evening (I hope) a 2.0 pre alpha.... where I improved a lot the GPS section (now it show the current time, the position, and some other little things) I will fix also this bug (really, I was not thinking that someone will use this gui :) I am adding also some command line switch to set: a) Language: current supported en, it, ro b) Preload mode: following a discussion of yesterday I read that some person think that python can do slow gui... I am new to python so I want to make sephora a bit optimized. I restructured the code be used in preload mode o not preload. In preload mode the starting of the program is more slow, but then the switch between the section is very fast. Without preload without is the contrary. I would like to know if what do you think about it, and if according you is possible an ibrid solution. I will keep you informed Michele Renda From hcc at gatech.edu Wed Oct 1 15:02:20 2008 From: hcc at gatech.edu (Claus Christmann) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:02:20 -0400 Subject: ReMoKo and openSuSE 11 In-Reply-To: References: <200809241507.49026.hcc@gatech.edu> <2165c69d0810010010g15243b7pa56287421b8ac1ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810010902.20994.hcc@gatech.edu> On Wednesday 01 October 2008 07:51:48 am Valerio Valerio wrote: > Hi, > > 2008/10/1 Flyin_bbb8 > > > ok i don't know if this might be useful but the line "--> BlueZ input > > service started" is only showin in the terminal through ssh after i press > > the X button > > this is the normal behavior, ReMoko stop the input service because use the > same channels to send information, on exit ReMoko restore the initial > conditions of the system. > The weird thing is that your system try to connect on the psm 1 ( L2CAP(s): > Connect req: psm 1 scid 0x0040), and the HID psm are the 17 and 19, which > version of BlueZ do you have on your system ? > > Best regads, Sorry for beeing absent on this thread for so long... I run into the exact same issues as described so far. Here is the data on my bluez installation (standart setup for an openSuSE 11.0 install): bluez-libs: 3.32-3.2 (Tue 15 Jul 2008 12:36:04 PM EDT) bluez-utils: 3.32-8.2 (Tue 15 Jul 2008 09:25:35 PM EDT) Thanks a lot for your help, Valerio. Claus -- Claus Christmann Graduate Research Assistant Georgia Institute of Technology 270 Ferst Drive Atlanta, GA 30332-0150, USA http://uav.ae.gatech.edu From jeroenbreg at hotmail.com Wed Oct 1 15:01:37 2008 From: jeroenbreg at hotmail.com (Tha_Man) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [debian] install failure, fso-frameworkd is not going to be installed In-Reply-To: <49dd78620810010119q196484f8mca5c11bcb078797e@mail.gmail.com> References: <49dd78620809280614x3d5c7dd9wfc3f5ecaf2d00b8a@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620809281018n73975b1fga553dde8b8bd833@mail.gmail.com> <8ef925aa0809281305t1e910f5bn1b43a06fb035320e@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620809281320h7177778fsc43ab7da2f067777@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620809281349u1a0d9f83iec423db9380df4b1@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620809301334wceb6fdaw63cfbd1251008670@mail.gmail.com> <1222818411802-1130308.post@n2.nabble.com> <49dd78620810010119q196484f8mca5c11bcb078797e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222866097340-1131349.post@n2.nabble.com> Neil Jerram wrote: > > 2008/10/1 Tha_Man : >> >> Great find! I ran into this yesterday as well, but I have another >> question: >> I'm using Om2008.9 to install Debian on my Freerunner, how do I 'install' >> libcaca0 and libcucul0? >> I know I can access the card, but how do I install these libs to it? > > You have to chroot into the Debian rootfs, like this: > > # chroot /mnt/debian /bin/sh > > Then you're in a new shell, where / is actually /mnt/debian. In this > shell, you can use apt-get install exactly as if you had booted > directly into Debian. > > Does that answer your question, or was there something else? > > Neil > That did answer my question, many thanks mate! I tried using aptitude, but besides that it is slooooooooow, it couldn't solve the dependencies so I installed them myself by downloading them from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libc/libcaca/ Currently installing fso-frameworkd so it's looking good; hope to have Debian fully installed in a bit :-) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--install-failure%2C-fso-frameworkd-is-not-going-to-be-installed-tp1124046p1131349.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From guru at unixarea.de Wed Oct 1 15:32:23 2008 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:32:23 +0200 Subject: [Om2008.9] launching GPRS by hand In-Reply-To: <20081001113752.GA18721@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20081001113752.GA18721@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <20081001133223.GA21582@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Wednesday, October 01, 2008 a las 01:37:52PM +0200, Matthias Apitz escribi?: > > Hello, > > The Wiki page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS describes how to make > GPRS working by hand in Om2007.2 and most of the stuff for chat-scripts > and PPP options seems to be correct (compared with what I was using with > my cellphone connected via V.24 to my laptop); > > in 2007.2 there was a gsmd daemon controlling the serial port > /dev/ttySAC0 which seems now to be Qtopia's 'qpe', but I don't see any method to > stop and start this via scripts in /etc/init.d; how is this supposed to > work now? > > if I kill the 'qpe' by hand a window pops up and is asking to restart > it with F1 or exit with F3; I killed it too and was able to talk with PPPD > chat-scripts to the modem and have already LCP layer of PPPD up; there > is still an issue with the CHAP phase to solve, but I'm getting closer; > > will update later also the Wiki... but first I want to have all in the > places; ok, what is todo with 'qpe'? So, I have figured it out how the things are coming up in Om2008.9: on runlevel 5 the Xserver is started via /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm and the Xserver itself launches /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia and this one at the end the /usr/bin/app-restarter and the 'qpe' demon; One can bring this all down, launch PPPD and bring it up again with # /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop # pppd debug nodetach call gprs # /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm start Ofc, meanwhile using PPP you don't have phone and not the FR's desktop; the phone would be anyway to me, but the desktop would be nice (even if my idea concerning PPP is only having the FR as an Internet router for my other Gadget, the eeePC 900 :-)) Maybe there is some way to just say to 'qpe': Go away for a while and don't read or touch the modem /dev/ttySAC0? The rest of PPPD is fine now, it just works as supposed to do; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows From michele.renda at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 15:03:41 2008 From: michele.renda at gmail.com (Michele Renda) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:03:41 +0200 Subject: [debian] Sephora 0.1 - Suggestions needed In-Reply-To: <1222864646.6698.6.camel@kizza> References: <48D95CE3.9040809@gmail.com> <1222207898575-1113852.post@n2.nabble.com> <48D9D37E.2080906@gmail.com> <1222240738995-1114691.post@n2.nabble.com> <48D9ED16.5060008@gmail.com> <1222242330136-1114738.post@n2.nabble.com> <48DAAE43.9000605@gmail.com> <1222864646.6698.6.camel@kizza> Message-ID: I know.... It is very complicated to fit it to stay in a little screen (or may be I use a big font). I was thinking to the poor person that will localize it in German. I every case I will release for this evening (I hope) a 2.0 pre alpha.... where I improved a lot the GPS section (now it show the current time, the position, and some other little things) I will fix also this bug (really, I was not thinking that someone will use this gui :) I am adding also some command line switch to set: a) Language: current supported en, it, ro b) Preload mode: following a discussion of yesterday I read that some person think that python can do slow gui... I am new to python so I want to make sephora a bit optimized. I restructured the code be used in preload mode o not preload. In preload mode the starting of the program is more slow, but then the switch between the section is very fast. Without preload without is the contrary. I would like to know if what do you think about it, and if according you is possible an ibrid solution. I will keep you informed Michele Renda From captain.deadly at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 15:39:08 2008 From: captain.deadly at gmail.com (Arigead) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:39:08 +0100 Subject: [2008.09][FSO] Programming interface to wifi Icon In-Reply-To: <48E33B9D.90302@truebox.co.uk> References: <48E22BEB.8010105@gmail.com> <20080930134457.GA10388@rebelion.Sisis.de> <48E326F8.8020301@gmail.com> <20081001073855.GA12307@rebelion.Sisis.de> <48E33B9D.90302@truebox.co.uk> Message-ID: <48E37D7C.8030300@gmail.com> Alastair Johnson wrote: > Matthias Apitz wrote: > >> El d?a Wednesday, October 01, 2008 a las 08:30:00AM +0100, Arigead escribi?: >> >> >>> Matthias Apitz wrote: >>> >>>> El d?a Tuesday, September 30, 2008 a las 02:38:51PM +0100, Arigead escribi?: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> Want to play with the wifi icon on the FR either in [2008.09] or >>>>> [FSO] Perhaps [FSO] makes more sense in the long run. >>>>> >>>>> Anyhow can I from a C Program set the icon? And can I have a call back >>>>> so that Icon being pressed issues a DBUS message? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> If you create a file like this: >>>> >>>> root at om-gta02:/usr/share/applications# cat Wifi-up.desktop >>>> [Desktop Entry] >>>> Encoding=UTF-8 >>>> Name=Wifi-up >>>> Comment=Bring Wifi up with ifup eth0 >>>> Exec=xterm -e "ifdown eth0 ; iwconfig eth0 txpower auto channel 1 ; killall wpa_supplicant ; killall udhcp ; ifup eth0 ; sleep 20" >>>> Icon=wifi >>>> Terminal=false >>>> Type=Application >>>> Categories=Application;Utilities; >>>> SingleInstance=true >>>> StartupNotify=true >>>> >>>> the icon will appear and of course you have an action Exec=... >>>> >>>> matthias >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Thanks for that Matthias but you misunderstand me. At present the wifi >>> icon, as far as I know, is plain white. I'd like to have three different >>> Icons for the wifi one Red, one Orange/Amber and one Green (Traffic >>> Lights). I'd like to create a daemon in C which every so often did a wee >>> wifi scan to see what networks are out there. If no know wifi SSIDs are >>> available then the icon is red. >>> >> ... >> >> I think I understood you already in your first post very well; you can >> change the color or the image of a given icon just be rewriting (from C >> or shell) the corresponding desktop file and let it point to another >> icon with >> >> Icon=wifiRed >> >> or >> >> Icon=wifiAmber >> >> ... ofc the files 'wifiAmber.png' must exist in /usr/share/pixmaps >> > > The .desktop file will put an icon in the application launcher. I think > the parent is talking about the wifi icon in the illume bar at the top > of the screen which is somewhat different. Sorry Yes I would like to use the Icon on the top of the illume bar. I was thinking interfacing this to my daemon so regardless of app you can see the wifi status the same as you can see the GSM status at present. If anybody knows about "somewhat different" :-) Would this presently be set by Kernel code the Window Manager? From hcc at gatech.edu Wed Oct 1 15:02:20 2008 From: hcc at gatech.edu (Claus Christmann) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:02:20 -0400 Subject: ReMoKo and openSuSE 11 In-Reply-To: References: <200809241507.49026.hcc@gatech.edu> <2165c69d0810010010g15243b7pa56287421b8ac1ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810010902.20994.hcc@gatech.edu> On Wednesday 01 October 2008 07:51:48 am Valerio Valerio wrote: > Hi, > > 2008/10/1 Flyin_bbb8 > > > ok i don't know if this might be useful but the line "--> BlueZ input > > service started" is only showin in the terminal through ssh after i press > > the X button > > this is the normal behavior, ReMoko stop the input service because use the > same channels to send information, on exit ReMoko restore the initial > conditions of the system. > The weird thing is that your system try to connect on the psm 1 ( L2CAP(s): > Connect req: psm 1 scid 0x0040), and the HID psm are the 17 and 19, which > version of BlueZ do you have on your system ? > > Best regads, Sorry for beeing absent on this thread for so long... I run into the exact same issues as described so far. Here is the data on my bluez installation (standart setup for an openSuSE 11.0 install): bluez-libs: 3.32-3.2 (Tue 15 Jul 2008 12:36:04 PM EDT) bluez-utils: 3.32-8.2 (Tue 15 Jul 2008 09:25:35 PM EDT) Thanks a lot for your help, Valerio. Claus -- Claus Christmann Graduate Research Assistant Georgia Institute of Technology 270 Ferst Drive Atlanta, GA 30332-0150, USA http://uav.ae.gatech.edu From ace at staticwave.ca Wed Oct 1 11:54:17 2008 From: ace at staticwave.ca (Gabriel A. Devenyi) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 05:54:17 -0400 Subject: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released! In-Reply-To: <48E27977.2030900@trolltech.com> References: <164c96680809301148t7e2e3dcdrf737e78ea068a503@mail.gmail.com> <48E27977.2030900@trolltech.com> Message-ID: <200810010554.17750.ace@staticwave.ca> Will this version actually report when I have voicemail? On September 30, 2008 03:09:43 pm Lorn Potter wrote: > Thomas Bertani wrote: > > wow! confirmed new features? gtalk, webbrowser, gps? > > In videos I can't see screen orientation, it is aviable? > > Yes. dynamic rotation is available. > > > Thanks a lot for your work! > > no worries! > > > 2008/9/30 Lorn Potter > > > > > > ? wrote: > > > C?dric Berger wrote: > > >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 13:50, "Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o)" > > >> > > >> > wrote: > > >>> Is has been renamed to Qt Extended right now, isn't it? > > >>> > > >>> However there are some very interesting videos on the net [1] > > >> > > >> renamed indeed... I had not seen this before : > > >> http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/09/28/qt-extended/ > > > > > > Finally there are official news: Qt Extended 4.4 released [1]! > > > > > > Look at the many cool videos and see how the Freerunner works [2], > > > but... Where are sources and binaries? > > > > We usually release the open source packages a couple days after the > > commercial release. > > > > They will be at the new site: > > http://qtextended.org > > > > As soon as I can. Hopefully by this weekend. > > > > -- > > Lorn 'ljp' Potter > > Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From freerunner at newkirk.us Wed Oct 1 15:55:31 2008 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:55:31 -0400 Subject: [Om2008.9] launching GPRS by hand In-Reply-To: <20081001133223.GA21582@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20081001133223.GA21582@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <56b48e08311a166944e31b4d0e570462@localhost> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:32:23 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d?a Wednesday, October 01, 2008 a las 01:37:52PM +0200, Matthias Apitz > escribi?: > >> >> Hello, >> >> The Wiki page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS describes how to make >> GPRS working by hand in Om2007.2 and most of the stuff for chat-scripts >> and PPP options seems to be correct (compared with what I was using with >> my cellphone connected via V.24 to my laptop); >> >> in 2007.2 there was a gsmd daemon controlling the serial port >> /dev/ttySAC0 which seems now to be Qtopia's 'qpe', but I don't see any > method to >> stop and start this via scripts in /etc/init.d; how is this supposed to >> work now? > Maybe there is some way to just say to 'qpe': Go away for a while and > don't read or touch the modem /dev/ttySAC0? The rest of PPPD is fine > now, it just works as supposed to do; > > matthias > What you need is referred to as Multiplexing - the wiki page you referenced talks about it. The multiplexer allows multiple bindings to the GSM device, IE one for voice GSM and one for data GPRS, without the need to kill off QPE or whatever is tied to GSM in order to use GPRS. j From atilla.filiz at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 15:56:40 2008 From: atilla.filiz at gmail.com (Atilla Filiz) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:56:40 +0200 Subject: Debian size and uSD In-Reply-To: <20081001121503.23816b2117bmyagw@w10.mail.sapo.pt> References: <6016f9080809301526w4d70975an3dac5338171f9501@mail.gmail.com> <20081001121503.23816b2117bmyagw@w10.mail.sapo.pt> Message-ID: <6016f9080810010656n348feb31v1d0867fdfba8c049@mail.gmail.com> I can use two card readers, no problem. would you suggest me tar /dev/sdb2 and untar it into /dev/sdc2? Or is 'dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc' better On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:15 PM, wrote: > > I usually do "cp -ax ..." with success. I've cloned entire operating > systems like this in the past without problems. Haven't tried with OM > yet, but it worked with a couple of Ubuntu installations. Takes a long > time, though... ;) > Obviously, you preferably do it with the filesystem offline... booting > from somewhere else. > > Citando arne anka : > > >> Another thing is I bought a 2G uSD and I want to move my debian system > to > >> that card. If I manually partition it (8MB fat and rest ext2) and just > >> copy > >> contents of 512M, would it work? Or maybe i can copy an image using dd > >> and > >> then somehow resize the partition. Anyone tried migrating from one SD to > >> another? > > > > do not use plain cp -- it will most likely result in some corruption of > > special files. > > your best bet would be either tar or rsync, depending of your usecase. > > > > for rsync (and tar on-the-fly) you could copy the partitions with dd, > > mount the images with loop and transfer your data. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- --------------------------------------------------------- Bu mesaj UTF-8 ile kodlanm??t?r --------------------------------------------------------- Atilla Filiz Technische Universiteit Eindhoven Embedded Systems, Master's Programme -------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/fa758b6e/attachment.htm From vclark at globalera.com Wed Oct 1 16:16:54 2008 From: vclark at globalera.com (Vince M. Clark) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:16:54 -0600 (MDT) Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <1222840912.1169.104.camel@rattus.localdomain> Message-ID: <28329183.2421222870614949.JavaMail.root@collab> Well, I'm out of options. I left my fr plugged into the trickle charger overnight. Still won't boot. Then I read this last post, about removing the battery long enough for a reset, plugging into USB for 5-10 min, unplug/pause/plug back in. Still won't boot. The only thing I haven't done that was recommended in this last post is to use the latest u-boot. Unfortunately I cannot do this until I get it to boot. Guess I will wait for my external charger to arrive. Should I be concerned that this isn't just a battery issue and maybe my fr is dead? ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Kenworthy" To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 12:01:52 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery These are my understandings from lots of reading and previous posts between myself and Andy Green and others on the subject - should all be in the archives. With 2007.2 I was hit one out of every 3 overnight suspends ending in a flat battery. At least with 2008.9 its rarer (but does happen :( With the later u-boots, usb default is 100ma as soon as its plugged in. This unfortunately is less than a running Fr needs. Normally as soon as the operating system is up enough, it will negotiate up to 500ma with the host, or in the case of the wall charger, read the sense resistor and see that 1A is available. When the OS is suspended, the PMU manages the charge until the battery is charged whereupon it switches off - and stays off. If the OS is running, it will cycle back on when the battery level falls to 10-20% (reports vary) as the OS can reset and renegotiate the charge level. If the battery is very low (i.e., the internal fail-safe disconnects it), remove it from the phone for 30 seconds or so. This allows the fail-safe to reset (this is what I think happens based on my observations) so the 100ma can get to the battery, and also reset the phone hardware - in particular the GSM modem which is directly connected to the battery and is thought to be root cause by Andy Green - possibly goes into a wierd state as power drops as well, preventing restart until reset. The power rail of course drops due to the inrush current much more during startup with a low battery than normal, causing one chip (USB I think) to detect a dangerously low voltage and issue a shutdown. So you cant get the phone to boot until the battery has had a few minutes of charge. In my case, USB to my laptop or a desktop machine does it. Remove/pause/replace battery plug into USB for 5-10 minutes remove/pause/replug USB cable and normal boot will happen within a few seconds. The wall charger should work as well, but on my one try it didnt - possibly because the u-boot wasnt new enough at the time. Recommendation - use a late (latest!) u-boot. BillK On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 22:13 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote: > > Vince, > > When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied > > charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it > > timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the > > NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. > > > > -Shawn > > > > I'm confused. I thought that we didn't turn on the charger until we > booted into Linux. Am I wrong? Do we charge in u-boot, even at a low rate? > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/650440f2/attachment.htm From guru at unixarea.de Wed Oct 1 16:18:33 2008 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:18:33 +0200 Subject: [Om2008.9] launching GPRS by hand In-Reply-To: <56b48e08311a166944e31b4d0e570462@localhost> References: <20081001133223.GA21582@rebelion.Sisis.de> <56b48e08311a166944e31b4d0e570462@localhost> Message-ID: <20081001141833.GA22943@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Wednesday, October 01, 2008 a las 09:55:31AM -0400, Joel Newkirk escribi?: > On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:32:23 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > El d?a Wednesday, October 01, 2008 a las 01:37:52PM +0200, Matthias > Apitz > > escribi?: > > > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> The Wiki page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS describes how to make > >> GPRS working by hand in Om2007.2 and most of the stuff for chat-scripts > >> and PPP options seems to be correct (compared with what I was using with > >> my cellphone connected via V.24 to my laptop); > >> > >> in 2007.2 there was a gsmd daemon controlling the serial port > >> /dev/ttySAC0 which seems now to be Qtopia's 'qpe', but I don't see any > > method to > >> stop and start this via scripts in /etc/init.d; how is this supposed to > >> work now? > > > Maybe there is some way to just say to 'qpe': Go away for a while and > > don't read or touch the modem /dev/ttySAC0? The rest of PPPD is fine > > now, it just works as supposed to do; > > > > matthias > > > > What you need is referred to as Multiplexing - the wiki page you referenced > talks about it. The multiplexer allows multiple bindings to the GSM > device, IE one for voice GSM and one for data GPRS, without the need to > kill off QPE or whatever is tied to GSM in order to use GPRS. Hi Joel, I've read this before, but all this information is outdated because it talks about starting gsmd (which is not there anymore in Om2008.9) and I don't even know if the Qtopia's qpe is aware of handling this device of Multiplexing; there is not even a script in /etc/init.d to launch qpe; is there a working example of Multiplexing with qpe? at the moment I do it with this shell script ~/pppd.sh: #!/bin/sh set -x killall qpe pppd debug nodetach call gprs /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia & which must be launched inside FB's desktop and this let the Xsession alive; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows From triveros at enable.cl Wed Oct 1 16:26:57 2008 From: triveros at enable.cl (Tomas Riveros Schober) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:26:57 -0400 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <28329183.2421222870614949.JavaMail.root@collab> References: <28329183.2421222870614949.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: <48E388B1.4000206@enable.cl> try again and it will eventually work....the usb cable connected to the computer is usually the way to go...and when it boots, quickly swap it to the ac charger...at least that's what i just did (my neo died during the night) Vince M. Clark escribi?: > Well, I'm out of options. I left my fr plugged into the trickle > charger overnight. Still won't boot. > > Then I read this last post, about removing the battery long enough for > a reset, plugging into USB for 5-10 min, unplug/pause/plug back in. > Still won't boot. > > The only thing I haven't done that was recommended in this last post > is to use the latest u-boot. Unfortunately I cannot do this until I > get it to boot. Guess I will wait for my external charger to arrive. > > Should I be concerned that this isn't just a battery issue and maybe > my fr is dead? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Kenworthy" > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 12:01:52 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver > Subject: Re: dead battery > > These are my understandings from lots of reading and previous posts > between myself and Andy Green and others on the subject - should all be > in the archives. With 2007.2 I was hit one out of every 3 overnight > suspends ending in a flat battery. At least with 2008.9 its rarer (but > does happen :( > > With the later u-boots, usb default is 100ma as soon as its plugged in. > This unfortunately is less than a running Fr needs. Normally as soon as > the operating system is up enough, it will negotiate up to 500ma with > the host, or in the case of the wall charger, read the sense resistor > and see that 1A is available. When the OS is suspended, the PMU manages > the charge until the battery is charged whereupon it switches off - and > stays off. If the OS is running, it will cycle back on when the battery > level falls to 10-20% (reports vary) as the OS can reset and renegotiate > the charge level. > > If the battery is very low (i.e., the internal fail-safe disconnects > it), remove it from the phone for 30 seconds or so. This allows the > fail-safe to reset (this is what I think happens based on my > observations) so the 100ma can get to the battery, and also reset the > phone hardware - in particular the GSM modem which is directly connected > to the battery and is thought to be root cause by Andy Green - possibly > goes into a wierd state as power drops as well, preventing restart until > reset. > > The power rail of course drops due to the inrush current much more > during startup with a low battery than normal, causing one chip (USB I > think) to detect a dangerously low voltage and issue a shutdown. So you > cant get the phone to boot until the battery has had a few minutes of > charge. > > In my case, USB to my laptop or a desktop machine does it. > Remove/pause/replace battery > plug into USB for 5-10 minutes > remove/pause/replug USB cable and normal boot will happen within a few > seconds. > > The wall charger should work as well, but on my one try it didnt - > possibly because the u-boot wasnt new enough at the time. > > Recommendation - use a late (latest!) u-boot. > > BillK > > > > On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 22:13 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote: > > > Vince, > > > When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko > supplied > > > charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu > until it > > > timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from > the > > > NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. > > > > > > -Shawn > > > > > > > I'm confused. I thought that we didn't turn on the charger until we > > booted into Linux. Am I wrong? Do we charge in u-boot, even at a low > rate? > > > > Michael > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- > William Kenworthy > Home in Perth! > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From michele.renda at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 16:28:13 2008 From: michele.renda at gmail.com (Michele Renda) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:28:13 +0200 Subject: [debian] Sephora 0.1 - Suggestions needed In-Reply-To: <84myhy8qxo.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <48D95CE3.9040809@gmail.com> <84myhy8qxo.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: Hello Timo, All may be you can help me... you have experience about Debian Source package? I'd like a lot to be able to make a Deb-Src package... in this way it'd be possible to tke the sources with: dpkg-get source sephora and to push in a repository with dput It is possible to do it with python sources? (so without makefile) Have someone have any info? Thank to all :) 2008/9/23 Timo Juhani Lindfors : > Michele Renda writes: >> http://rubino.dyndns.org/ > > Can you put the debian source package online too? > > best regards, > Timo Lindfors > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From dlstal2 at uky.edu Wed Oct 1 16:25:32 2008 From: dlstal2 at uky.edu (Dan Staley) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:25:32 -0400 Subject: [FDOM 080927] Modem jokes on SIM entries In-Reply-To: <48E32505.4010205@mail.ee> References: <48E1C13D.9010705@markas-al-nour.org> <1222756532.10429.167.camel@peregrintux> <48E32505.4010205@mail.ee> Message-ID: <1222871132.6479.6.camel@meinlapkomp> I also have this problem. I'm glad I'm not the only one. I was worried my sim card reader broke. (As the contacts were being imported correctly before. When I first boot up the phone, it connects to the network and can make calls and suspend fine. However, if I try to goto the contacts application, it hangs up on "Loading Sim..." and after that I can no longer make/receive calls or come back from suspend. When this first started happening, I would goto the contacts and no contacts would be loaded. I thought this might be because of the excessive amount of contacts I had on my sim card (250+). So I went and cleaned out quite a few of them. After that, I tried again. Now I get the same outcome (no calls/suspend) and the "Loading Sim..." message stays at the top, but I get a list of garbled and certainly not correct contacts. Because of the garbled contacts, I wonder if the qtopia dialer got upgraded and the new version does not split the data up correctly from the sim card? perhaps the delimeters are wrong? I'm using an ATnT fireball sim card and it has worked fine before this. Anyone have any idea? -Dan Staley On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 03:21 -0400, madis wrote: > Hi David and Linus, > > I have the same problem... > After registering if I try to open the phone book I see only message > "Loading Sim..." > I can't see my phone book content in Sim and my FR behaves very > strangely also. > I can't receive calls if somebody calls. My FR rings, but I am unable > to press the answer button, the touch screen is not responding. > The screen itself is ok, because all other times it works. > I can't make any phone calls, my FR says it's dialing the number, > but nothing happens in reality. > > Regards, > Madis > > David Samblas wrote: > > Hi linus, > > the only modification done vs the OM 2008.9 regarding gsm is the > > addition of the > > http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/gsm0710muxd_0.9.1+r0-gitr3ff86b129640b647ccba3d86eb243d864671b039-r0_armv4t.ipk > > packages and some configuration in the /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia to > > make it work. > > The rest is as is in the 2008.9 so you I suppose you can debug as you > > where in 2008.9 downloading the source code of Contact if you want. > > > > BTW I have no knowlege about any one else having this issue. > > > > Next FDOM release will come from a svn repository that will keep track > > of the modifications we have done to the 2008.X to become an FDOM, then > > you will see from where a packages come(OM , angstrom or other > > repositories or direct download from OM projects or from anywhere else) > > I hope this helps to those asking from the souce code of FDOM. > > > > Regards > > David Samblas > > El mar, 30-09-2008 a las 07:03 +0100, Linus Gasser escribi?: > > > >> Hi list, > >> > >> I'm running the latest FDOM (20080927) but still have a very annoying > >> problem: my SIM-card is not read with regard to the address entries. If > >> I go to the "Contacts", there is only written "Loading SIM" on top, but > >> nothing shows. IIRC, this was no problem in ASU_0807. > >> > >> Is there any way I can debug that to see where it stops? With the SIM > >> not being loaded, I can neither call, nor receive calls, nor suspend. Or > >> shall I do a binary search to see whether it's a special entry that > >> causes this? > >> > >> Thank you for any hint you may give me, > >> > >> Linus > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Openmoko community mailing list > >> community at lists.openmoko.org > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > From madhatter at teaparty.net Wed Oct 1 16:57:13 2008 From: madhatter at teaparty.net (Tom Yates) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:57:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Om2008.9] launching GPRS by hand In-Reply-To: <20081001141833.GA22943@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20081001133223.GA21582@rebelion.Sisis.de> <56b48e08311a166944e31b4d0e570462@localhost> <20081001141833.GA22943@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, Matthias Apitz wrote: > I've read this before, but all this information is outdated because it > talks about starting gsmd (which is not there anymore in Om2008.9) and I > don't even know if the Qtopia's qpe is aware of handling this device of > Multiplexing; i have it working under 2008.09. you can read my writeup at http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html#GPRS , which points in turn to florian hackenberger's excellent step-by-step guide to turning on gsm muxing, at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/028495.html . you need to do all of it up to but not including the bit that starts "Now you can request a new device for the modem using". it's not very complex to follow, and it means you won't need to shut down qpe every time you want to do GPRS. > is there a working example of Multiplexing with qpe? see above. -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net From nomeata at debian.org Wed Oct 1 16:54:02 2008 From: nomeata at debian.org (Joachim Breitner) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:54:02 +0200 Subject: [debian] getting zhone sid ringtones working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1222872842.3317.39.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net> Hi, Am Mittwoch, den 24.09.2008, 13:32 +0200 schrieb joakim at verona.se: > "Angus Ainslie" > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:37 PM, wrote: > > "Angus Ainslie" > > writes: > > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 12:23 PM, wrote: > > > > > > I'm using debian and zhone. sid ringtones doesnt work, only the buzzer > > > works. > > > > > > I installed sidplay2, and oss-compat, and sidplay2 works from the > > > command line. zhone cant find it though. > > > > > > Any hints? > > > -- > > > > > > use the gstream sid plugin > > > > Ok, I tried: > > apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly > > apt-get install python-gst0.10 > > > > this was not sufficient. Any more hints? > > > > apt-cache search gstreamer sid > > The problem persisted, but I managed to solve it like this: > > cd / > ln -s /usr/share > > I think this is some kind of packaging problem in Debian of > fso-frameworkd. Could be. What version of fso-frameworkd do you have installed (dpkg -l fso-frameworkd)? Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim "nomeata" Breitner Debian Developer nomeata at debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: nomeata at joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/e973d835/attachment.pgp From vdv100 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 16:54:44 2008 From: vdv100 at gmail.com (Valerio Valerio) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:54:44 +0100 Subject: ReMoKo and openSuSE 11 In-Reply-To: <200810010902.20994.hcc@gatech.edu> References: <200809241507.49026.hcc@gatech.edu> <2165c69d0810010010g15243b7pa56287421b8ac1ee@mail.gmail.com> <200810010902.20994.hcc@gatech.edu> Message-ID: 2008/10/1 Claus Christmann > On Wednesday 01 October 2008 07:51:48 am Valerio Valerio wrote: > > Hi, > > > > 2008/10/1 Flyin_bbb8 > > > > > ok i don't know if this might be useful but the line "--> BlueZ input > > > service started" is only showin in the terminal through ssh after i > press > > > the X button > > > > this is the normal behavior, ReMoko stop the input service because use > the > > same channels to send information, on exit ReMoko restore the initial > > conditions of the system. > > The weird thing is that your system try to connect on the psm 1 ( > L2CAP(s): > > Connect req: psm 1 scid 0x0040), and the HID psm are the 17 and 19, which > > version of BlueZ do you have on your system ? > > > > Best regads, > > Sorry for beeing absent on this thread for so long... > > I run into the exact same issues as described so far. > > Here is the data on my bluez installation (standart setup for an openSuSE > 11.0 > install): > > bluez-libs: 3.32-3.2 (Tue 15 Jul 2008 12:36:04 PM EDT) > bluez-utils: 3.32-8.2 (Tue 15 Jul 2008 09:25:35 PM EDT) > > Thanks a lot for your help, Valerio. This should be a bug related to kdebluetooth or some custom changes made by openSuSE on the BlueZ packages. I test kdebluetooth (1.0~beta9~r769275) in my Ubuntu 8.04 and I can pair the device and connect to it without any problem, as you can see in the dump below (lines market with ***), the bluetooth system request connection on the correct psm (17 and 19). Any of you have tried to connect a bluetooth keyboard or a mouse to your system ? ###################################### > HCI Event: Command Status (0x0f) plen 4 > HCI Event: Connect Complete (0x03) plen 11 < ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 10 L2CAP(s): Info req: type 2 < HCI Command: Read Remote Supported Features (0x01|0x001b) plen 2 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5 > ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 10 L2CAP(s): Info req: type 2 < ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 16 L2CAP(s): Info rsp: type 2 result 0 Extended feature mask 0x0000 > ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 16 L2CAP(s): Info rsp: type 2 result 0 Extended feature mask 0x0000 < ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 12 L2CAP(s): Connect req: psm 17 scid 0x0040 ************************************ > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5 > HCI Event: Command Status (0x0f) plen 4 > HCI Event: Max Slots Change (0x1b) plen 3 > ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 16 L2CAP(s): Connect rsp: dcid 0x0040 scid 0x0040 result 0 status 0 Connection successful < ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 12 L2CAP(s): Config req: dcid 0x0040 flags 0x00 clen 0 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5 > HCI Event: Command Status (0x0f) plen 4 < HCI Command: Write Link Policy Settings (0x02|0x000d) plen 4 > ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 17 > ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x01 dlen 1 L2CAP(s): Config rsp: scid 0x0040 flags 0x00 result 0 clen 4 Success MTU 672 > ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 16 L2CAP(s): Config req: dcid 0x0040 flags 0x00 clen 4 MTU 48 < ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 18 L2CAP(s): Config rsp: scid 0x0040 flags 0x00 result 0 clen 4 Success MTU 48 < ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 12 L2CAP(s): Connect req: psm 19 scid 0x0041 **************************************** > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5 > HCI Event: Read Remote Supported Features (0x0b) plen 11 > HCI Event: Command Complete (0x0e) plen 6 < HCI Command: Remote Name Request (0x01|0x0019) plen 10 > HCI Event: Command Status (0x0f) plen 4 > ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 16 L2CAP(s): Connect rsp: dcid 0x0041 scid 0x0041 result 0 status 0 Connection successful < ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 12 L2CAP(s): Config req: dcid 0x0041 flags 0x00 clen 0 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5 > ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 18 L2CAP(s): Config rsp: scid 0x0041 flags 0x00 result 0 clen 4 Success MTU 672 > ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 16 L2CAP(s): Config req: dcid 0x0041 flags 0x00 clen 4 MTU 48 < ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 18 L2CAP(s): Config rsp: scid 0x0041 flags 0x00 result 0 clen 4 Success MTU 48 > HCI Event: Remote Name Req Complete (0x07) plen 255 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5 < ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 14 L2CAP(d): cid 0x0041 len 10 [psm 19] HIDP: Data: Output report < ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 10 L2CAP(d): cid 0x0041 len 6 [psm 19] HIDP: Data: Output report > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5 ##################################################### Best regards, -- Val?rio Val?rio http://www.valeriovalerio.org > > > Claus > > -- > Claus Christmann > Graduate Research Assistant > > Georgia Institute of Technology > 270 Ferst Drive > Atlanta, GA 30332-0150, USA > > http://uav.ae.gatech.edu > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/ae36dfba/attachment.htm From gera at theoldmonk.net Wed Oct 1 17:00:49 2008 From: gera at theoldmonk.net (Devendra Gera) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:30:49 +0530 Subject: [FDOM 080927] Modem jokes on SIM entries In-Reply-To: <1222871132.6479.6.camel@meinlapkomp> References: <48E1C13D.9010705@markas-al-nour.org> <1222756532.10429.167.camel@peregrintux> <48E32505.4010205@mail.ee> <1222871132.6479.6.camel@meinlapkomp> Message-ID: <20081001150049.GA10245@gera-laptop> On Wed, 01 Oct 2008, Dan Staley wrote: > I also have this problem. I'm glad I'm not the only one. I was worried > my sim card reader broke. (As the contacts were being imported > correctly before. > > When I first boot up the phone, it connects to the network and can make > calls and suspend fine. However, if I try to goto the contacts > application, it hangs up on "Loading Sim..." and after that I can no > longer make/receive calls or come back from suspend. > > When this first started happening, I would goto the contacts and no > contacts would be loaded. I thought this might be because of the > excessive amount of contacts I had on my sim card (250+). So I went and > cleaned out quite a few of them. After that, I tried again. Now I get > the same outcome (no calls/suspend) and the "Loading Sim..." message > stays at the top, but I get a list of garbled and certainly not correct > contacts. > > Because of the garbled contacts, I wonder if the qtopia dialer got > upgraded and the new version does not split the data up correctly from > the sim card? perhaps the delimeters are wrong? I have similar problems, but the SIM contacts which are imported aren't garbled at all. Some of them are missing for sure though. The workaround that I earlier mentioned - not using the phone for some time even after GSM registration - and avoiding reading the SIM contacts at all seems to make the phone usable as a day phone (for a very twisted value of usable - without contacts). --gera. From harnir at harnir.net Wed Oct 1 17:15:16 2008 From: harnir at harnir.net (Maciej Delmanowski) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:15:16 +0200 Subject: Stable OM distro In-Reply-To: <877i8tcgww.fsf@news.piechotka.com.pl> References: <877i8tcgww.fsf@news.piechotka.com.pl> Message-ID: <20081001151516.GA25209@erwin> On Oct 01, Maciej Piechotka wrote: > What's currently the most stable? > I'd need to: > - Entry pin (I haven't manage to do it in 2008.8 despite moving pen up) > - Phone/Recive SMS > - Have GPS/WiFi > - Have USB Networking for initial setup You can try FDOM. It's somewhat bloated, but works nicely for me. Suspend with Power key worked every time (with sound being correctly brought back after wakeup), it even got calls and SMS messages while in suspend and woke up. As for an entry PIN - I turned off mine (or actually didn't set one to begin with), I don't think I need one every time I startup my phone. Call quality in FDOM is quite nice, there are some small echoes, but no complaints so far. YMMV, I guess. You have agpsui, Navit and TangoGPS available, and I think it should work, but haven't tested it yet. WiFi works (with Mofi) out of the box. In the recent version USB network is not setup properly because the functionality was moved from the main kernel to a module. To fix it, simply do "echo 'g_ether' >> /etc/modules" before you restart the phone, after installation. Works like a charm. In overall, I'm amazed with the FDOM, and despite bloat (needs a lot of space), I think it's the best distro so far, even surpassing Qtopia (GPS). Now, I wish that someone could port all those cool things to Debian. That would be awesome! Keep up the good work. Maciej Delmanowski From freerunner at newkirk.us Wed Oct 1 17:20:23 2008 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:20:23 -0400 Subject: [2008.09][FSO] Programming interface to wifi Icon In-Reply-To: <48E37D7C.8030300@gmail.com> References: <48E37D7C.8030300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53d5aa207fbef1c4fa1a793a214d4f2f@localhost> On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:39:08 +0100, Arigead wrote: > Sorry Yes I would like to use the Icon on the top of the illume bar. I > was thinking interfacing this to my daemon so regardless of app you can > see the wifi status the same as you can see the GSM status at present. > > If anybody knows about "somewhat different" :-) Would this presently be > set by Kernel code the Window Manager? It's part of the edje setup for the main screen, in illume.edj. (well, that can differ - I've always installed illume-config and illume-config-illume) You can think of the .edj file as a theme package of sorts, although it abstracts more UI handling out of the program than traditional theming. In OO fashion it separates all the user interaction into the edje file, with the main application interacting via signals to change UI or respond to user actions and triggers generated by the UI itself. You can set up in the .edj file to support changing icons triggered by signals from 'outside', and emit signals when some UI interaction (IE, click the icon) takes place. I'm interested in doing something similar with USB, showing whether it's in host or device mode, networking vs mass storage if device mode, sending or expecting power, forcing 500mA or 1000mA charging, and ability to change all the above. The program edje_editor is great for taking a look at such features. It's part of the E17 desktop setup, I've been playing with it in the developer VM I'm working on. It takes the intact .edj file and extracts all the configs, images, etc from it and gives you a nice WYSYWIG GUI editor. BTW - I printed out the actual text config from illume.edj, it's about 100 pages long... A simpler starting point to learn your way around .edj and edje_editor is illume_init.edj, the startup theme. (second view of the boots, with the green scanning back and forth instead of indicating percent progress) It's quite easy to drop in a different background image, redefine the animation, etc this way. (Now what we really need is a tool running ON the FR that decompiles the main .edj file and lets us replace wallpaper, etc - basic customization, not full-on UI redesign work) j From dscaini at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 17:25:05 2008 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:25:05 +0200 Subject: [2008.8] [2008.9] [qtopia] earphones Message-ID: <18db98c80810010825u5acfce34ya3fbb1f5e3d3d826@mail.gmail.com> hi all, if I connect the earphones at the fr i can hear only from one side... is that and hardware or a software problem? I tried with asu and qtopia with the same result (the earphones are ok...) thanks d -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Nicola Mfb wrote: > 2008/10/1 Atilla Filiz > >> I can use two card readers, no problem. would you suggest me tar /dev/sdb2 >> and untar it into /dev/sdc2? Or is >> 'dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc' better >> > > You may dd if=/dev/sdb2 of=/dev/sdc2, and after resize2fs /dev/sdc2. > > Nicola > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- --------------------------------------------------------- Bu mesaj UTF-8 ile kodlanm??t?r --------------------------------------------------------- Atilla Filiz Technische Universiteit Eindhoven Embedded Systems, Master's Programme -------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/9ec567bf/attachment.htm From ineiti at markas-al-nour.org Wed Oct 1 17:43:58 2008 From: ineiti at markas-al-nour.org (Linus Gasser) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:43:58 +0100 Subject: [FDOM 080927] Modem jokes on SIM entries In-Reply-To: <1222756532.10429.167.camel@peregrintux> References: <48E1C13D.9010705@markas-al-nour.org> <1222756532.10429.167.camel@peregrintux> Message-ID: <48E39ABE.4030704@markas-al-nour.org> David Samblas a ?crit : > Hi linus, > the only modification done vs the OM 2008.9 regarding gsm is the > addition of the > http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/gsm0710muxd_0.9.1+r0-gitr3ff86b129640b647ccba3d86eb243d864671b039-r0_armv4t.ipk OK, 1st dirty fix: # rm /etc/rc5.d/S22gsm0710muxd # reboot But then GPRS won't work... Anyway, now I can phone and suspend. That's already something. I'll try to dig a bit further later. Linus From hns at computer.org Wed Oct 1 17:48:46 2008 From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:48:46 +0200 Subject: [OSX] AJZaurusUSB bug fix project In-Reply-To: <165D3B02-FAEF-48E5-9A8B-6CABDF43AF42@computer.org> References: <1222485318.7431.80.camel@peregrintux> <6B208D9E-5100-4C8C-B197-ED0BC2965446@computer.org> <165D3B02-FAEF-48E5-9A8B-6CABDF43AF42@computer.org> Message-ID: Am 29.09.2008 um 16:04 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: > > I will pack the latest sources tomorrow (don't have time today). It > will include > an improved makefile that autmatically does all the ssh steps between > two > Macs to start the kernel debugging mode. Well, it took a little longer. Here is the main link: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=AJZaurusUSB Sources: http://www.dsitri.de/download/AJZaurusUSB-0.5.4-src.tgz Please ask if you need support for debugging. Nikolaus From m4st3rth0r at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 18:02:41 2008 From: m4st3rth0r at gmail.com (Thor) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [2008.8] [2008.9] [qtopia] earphones In-Reply-To: <18db98c80810010825u5acfce34ya3fbb1f5e3d3d826@mail.gmail.com> References: <18db98c80810010825u5acfce34ya3fbb1f5e3d3d826@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222876961642-1131786.post@n2.nabble.com> What kind of earphones are you trying to use? I thought FR uses a special 4 pin jack for which you need an adapter if you want to use normal headphones Davide Scaini wrote: > > hi all, > if I connect the earphones at the fr i can hear only from one side... is > that and hardware or a software problem? I tried with asu and qtopia with > the same result > (the earphones are ok...) > thanks > d > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-2008.8---2008.9---qtopia--earphones-tp1131685p1131786.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dscaini at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 18:06:20 2008 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:06:20 +0200 Subject: [2008.8] [2008.9] [qtopia] earphones In-Reply-To: <1222876961642-1131786.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <18db98c80810010825u5acfce34ya3fbb1f5e3d3d826@mail.gmail.com> <1222876961642-1131786.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <18db98c80810010906r440ceab3jf3485650473194b4@mail.gmail.com> those shipped with fr ;-) d On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Thor wrote: > > What kind of earphones are you trying to use? I thought FR uses a special 4 > pin jack for which you need an adapter if you want to use normal headphones > > > > Davide Scaini wrote: > > > > hi all, > > if I connect the earphones at the fr i can hear only from one side... is > > that and hardware or a software problem? I tried with asu and qtopia with > > the same result > > (the earphones are ok...) > > thanks > > d > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/-2008.8---2008.9---qtopia--earphones-tp1131685p1131786.html > Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/ca1d4e8f/attachment.htm From darkstarsword at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 18:09:08 2008 From: darkstarsword at gmail.com (Ian) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 02:09:08 +1000 Subject: Dialer UI Design In-Reply-To: References: <1222688014507-1125600.post@n2.nabble.com> <55533.212.204.227.172.1222694634.squirrel@www.outrightsolutions.nl> Message-ID: Alex does bring up some excellent points, and I would like to point to the (unfortunately closed source) media centre app for the Nokia Internet Tablet called Canola as an example, which was written in Python (distributed as byte compiled python) and uses EFL for the graphics. Everything in the app feels very smooth and for the most part is quite responsive - it's the smoothest inertial scrolling I've seen in a non-apple product (not that I like inertial scrolling very much since the distinction between select and scroll is far too small, and would stay away from it on any interface I design). The UI is fairly well designed, mostly because they listened to their users and redesigned it to address the issues brought up. The only real problem with it is that it takes quite a while to load - but that's really only a one off initial time consuming task. Oh, and of course the other problem is that it's closed source, but maybe "Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia" will follow Nokia's (They are now independant) lead and open it up some day. Cheers, -Ian -- http://darkstarshout.blogspot.com/ -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Erik Raymond, 2005 -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From daswaldhorn at gmx.de Wed Oct 1 18:26:45 2008 From: daswaldhorn at gmx.de (Carsten Gerlach) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:26:45 +0200 Subject: Order from Pulster In-Reply-To: <48AC72F1.2060204@googlemail.com> References: <48AC72F1.2060204@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <200810011826.49140.daswaldhorn@gmx.de> Hi, Am Mittwoch 20. August 2008 9:39:29 pm schrieb enaut: > I recieved my Gummi bears yesterday :)... Yeah, one hour ago I pick up the parcel from the post office and, of course, with the Gummi bears, too. :-) Thank you, Christoph! Greetings, Carsten -- Hier ist mein ?ffentlicher GPG-Schl?ssel: http://daswaldhorn.funpic.de/gpg.html ========================================= www.stopptdievorratsdatenspeicherung.de -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/11b5f27a/attachment.pgp From freerunner at newkirk.us Wed Oct 1 18:28:41 2008 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:28:41 -0400 Subject: [Om2008.9] launching GPRS by hand Message-ID: <4dd7510fc09695f2d028bcce35cb8af1@localhost> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:18:33 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d?a Wednesday, October 01, 2008 a las 09:55:31AM -0400, Joel Newkirk > escribi?: >> What you need is referred to as Multiplexing - the wiki page you > referenced >> talks about it. The multiplexer allows multiple bindings to the GSM >> device, IE one for voice GSM and one for data GPRS, without the need to >> kill off QPE or whatever is tied to GSM in order to use GPRS. > > Hi Joel, > > I've read this before, but all this information is outdated because it > talks about starting gsmd (which is not there anymore in Om2008.9) and I > don't even know if the Qtopia's qpe is aware of handling this device of > Multiplexing; > > there is not even a script in /etc/init.d to launch qpe; > > is there a working example of Multiplexing with qpe? > > at the moment I do it with this shell script ~/pppd.sh: The mokoscripts archive includes a replacement for /etc/X11/XSession.d/89qtopia. I don't see anything about gsmd, just gpsd (the same archive has agps stuff in it) and gsm0710muxd, the multiplexing gsm service. Also, the instructions specifically state that he's not sure about 2007.2 and FSO but has tested it with ASU. I successfully used the instructions (altered for t-mobile's internet3.voicestream.com service) under both 2007.2 and 2008.8, though to be honest I never tried it under 2008-update or 2008.9. (yet - once my FR is back in my hands I intend to set it up again) j From alastair at truebox.co.uk Wed Oct 1 18:40:22 2008 From: alastair at truebox.co.uk (Alastair Johnson) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:40:22 +0100 Subject: [2008.8] [2008.9] [qtopia] earphones In-Reply-To: <18db98c80810010825u5acfce34ya3fbb1f5e3d3d826@mail.gmail.com> References: <18db98c80810010825u5acfce34ya3fbb1f5e3d3d826@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E3A7F6.8000001@truebox.co.uk> Davide Scaini wrote: > hi all, > if I connect the earphones at the fr i can hear only from one side... is > that and hardware or a software problem? I tried with asu and qtopia > with the same result > (the earphones are ok...) > thanks > d qtopia and 2008.x don't switch alsa state files on insertion of the headset. This leaves you with the stereoout.state which will give output in one ear of the headset only. You need to load headset.state instead: alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/headset.state restore You may have to switch states manually rather frequently, depending on how aware of the headset the various apps are. You may want to switch to gsmheadset.state during phone calls for instance. From dscaini at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 18:45:58 2008 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:45:58 +0200 Subject: [2008.8] [2008.9] [qtopia] earphones In-Reply-To: <48E3A7F6.8000001@truebox.co.uk> References: <18db98c80810010825u5acfce34ya3fbb1f5e3d3d826@mail.gmail.com> <48E3A7F6.8000001@truebox.co.uk> Message-ID: <18db98c80810010945p2c4b622fxd324978ce7dc943a@mail.gmail.com> Thanks a lot I'll try! why there's no wiki about that? thanks again d On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Alastair Johnson wrote: > Davide Scaini wrote: > > hi all, > > if I connect the earphones at the fr i can hear only from one side... is > > that and hardware or a software problem? I tried with asu and qtopia > > with the same result > > (the earphones are ok...) > > thanks > > d > > qtopia and 2008.x don't switch alsa state files on insertion of the > headset. This leaves you with the stereoout.state which will give output > in one ear of the headset only. You need to load headset.state instead: > alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/headset.state restore > You may have to switch states manually rather frequently, depending on > how aware of the headset the various apps are. You may want to switch to > gsmheadset.state during phone calls for instance. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/9cfec1dd/attachment.htm From dreilly at atariland.net Wed Oct 1 19:12:21 2008 From: dreilly at atariland.net (Dylan Reilly) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:12:21 -0400 Subject: [2008.8] [2008.9] [qtopia] earphones In-Reply-To: <18db98c80810010945p2c4b622fxd324978ce7dc943a@mail.gmail.com> References: <18db98c80810010825u5acfce34ya3fbb1f5e3d3d826@mail.gmail.com> <48E3A7F6.8000001@truebox.co.uk> <18db98c80810010945p2c4b622fxd324978ce7dc943a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7654cee60810011012l6e1f9920n20a970f567f59a89@mail.gmail.com> I made this as a work around to this issue for the moment. It works OK for me. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-September/029599.html On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Davide Scaini wrote: > Thanks a lot I'll try! > why there's no wiki about that? > thanks again > d > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Alastair Johnson > wrote: >> >> Davide Scaini wrote: >> > hi all, >> > if I connect the earphones at the fr i can hear only from one side... is >> > that and hardware or a software problem? I tried with asu and qtopia >> > with the same result >> > (the earphones are ok...) >> > thanks >> > d >> >> qtopia and 2008.x don't switch alsa state files on insertion of the >> headset. This leaves you with the stereoout.state which will give output >> in one ear of the headset only. You need to load headset.state instead: >> alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/headset.state restore >> You may have to switch states manually rather frequently, depending on >> how aware of the headset the various apps are. You may want to switch to >> gsmheadset.state during phone calls for instance. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly From alastair at truebox.co.uk Wed Oct 1 20:02:56 2008 From: alastair at truebox.co.uk (Alastair Johnson) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:02:56 +0100 Subject: [2008.8] [2008.9] [qtopia] earphones In-Reply-To: <18db98c80810010945p2c4b622fxd324978ce7dc943a@mail.gmail.com> References: <18db98c80810010825u5acfce34ya3fbb1f5e3d3d826@mail.gmail.com> <48E3A7F6.8000001@truebox.co.uk> <18db98c80810010945p2c4b622fxd324978ce7dc943a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E3BB50.2070001@truebox.co.uk> Davide Scaini wrote: > Thanks a lot I'll try! > why there's no wiki about that? Because nobody's added it yet ;-) If it sorts the problem for you then please add the details to the wiki. > thanks again > d > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Alastair Johnson > wrote: > > Davide Scaini wrote: > > hi all, > > if I connect the earphones at the fr i can hear only from one > side... is > > that and hardware or a software problem? I tried with asu and qtopia > > with the same result > > (the earphones are ok...) > > thanks > > d > > qtopia and 2008.x don't switch alsa state files on insertion of the > headset. This leaves you with the stereoout.state which will give output > in one ear of the headset only. You need to load headset.state instead: > alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/headset.state restore > You may have to switch states manually rather frequently, depending on > how aware of the headset the various apps are. You may want to switch to > gsmheadset.state during phone calls for instance. > From sven.bretfeld at gmx.ch Wed Oct 1 19:50:26 2008 From: sven.bretfeld at gmx.ch (Sven Bretfeld) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:50:26 +0200 Subject: [Debian] Still no resume Message-ID: <87ljx8nr19.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 188 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/e048ba7c/attachment.pgp From alastair at truebox.co.uk Wed Oct 1 20:02:56 2008 From: alastair at truebox.co.uk (Alastair Johnson) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:02:56 +0100 Subject: [2008.8] [2008.9] [qtopia] earphones In-Reply-To: <18db98c80810010945p2c4b622fxd324978ce7dc943a@mail.gmail.com> References: <18db98c80810010825u5acfce34ya3fbb1f5e3d3d826@mail.gmail.com> <48E3A7F6.8000001@truebox.co.uk> <18db98c80810010945p2c4b622fxd324978ce7dc943a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E3BB50.2070001@truebox.co.uk> Davide Scaini wrote: > Thanks a lot I'll try! > why there's no wiki about that? Because nobody's added it yet ;-) If it sorts the problem for you then please add the details to the wiki. > thanks again > d > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Alastair Johnson > wrote: > > Davide Scaini wrote: > > hi all, > > if I connect the earphones at the fr i can hear only from one > side... is > > that and hardware or a software problem? I tried with asu and qtopia > > with the same result > > (the earphones are ok...) > > thanks > > d > > qtopia and 2008.x don't switch alsa state files on insertion of the > headset. This leaves you with the stereoout.state which will give output > in one ear of the headset only. You need to load headset.state instead: > alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/headset.state restore > You may have to switch states manually rather frequently, depending on > how aware of the headset the various apps are. You may want to switch to > gsmheadset.state during phone calls for instance. > From sven.bretfeld at gmx.ch Wed Oct 1 19:50:26 2008 From: sven.bretfeld at gmx.ch (Sven Bretfeld) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:50:26 +0200 Subject: [Debian] Still no resume Message-ID: <87ljx8nr19.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 188 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/e048ba7c/attachment-0001.pgp From sven.bretfeld at gmx.ch Wed Oct 1 19:50:26 2008 From: sven.bretfeld at gmx.ch (Sven Bretfeld) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:50:26 +0200 Subject: [Debian] Still no resume Message-ID: <87ljx8nr19.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 188 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/e048ba7c/attachment-0002.pgp From csi at gmx.ch Wed Oct 1 20:44:00 2008 From: csi at gmx.ch (Christoph Siegenthaler) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [debian] install failure, fso-frameworkd is not going to be installed In-Reply-To: <1222866097340-1131349.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <49dd78620809280614x3d5c7dd9wfc3f5ecaf2d00b8a@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620809281018n73975b1fga553dde8b8bd833@mail.gmail.com> <8ef925aa0809281305t1e910f5bn1b43a06fb035320e@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620809281320h7177778fsc43ab7da2f067777@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620809281349u1a0d9f83iec423db9380df4b1@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620809301334wceb6fdaw63cfbd1251008670@mail.gmail.com> <1222818411802-1130308.post@n2.nabble.com> <49dd78620810010119q196484f8mca5c11bcb078797e@mail.gmail.com> <1222866097340-1131349.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1222886640381-1132126.post@n2.nabble.com> Thank you both for the hints! Had to do it like Tha_Man, "dpkg -i" instead of aptitude... Installing fso now, hope without further interuptions :) Tha_Man wrote: > > > Neil Jerram wrote: >> >> 2008/10/1 Tha_Man : >>> >>> Great find! I ran into this yesterday as well, but I have another >>> question: >>> I'm using Om2008.9 to install Debian on my Freerunner, how do I >>> 'install' >>> libcaca0 and libcucul0? >>> I know I can access the card, but how do I install these libs to it? >> >> You have to chroot into the Debian rootfs, like this: >> >> # chroot /mnt/debian /bin/sh >> >> Then you're in a new shell, where / is actually /mnt/debian. In this >> shell, you can use apt-get install exactly as if you had booted >> directly into Debian. >> >> Does that answer your question, or was there something else? >> >> Neil >> > That did answer my question, many thanks mate! > I tried using aptitude, but besides that it is slooooooooow, it couldn't > solve the dependencies so I installed them myself by downloading them from > http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libc/libcaca/ > Currently installing fso-frameworkd so it's looking good; hope to have > Debian fully installed in a bit :-) > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--install-failure%2C-fso-frameworkd-is-not-going-to-be-installed-tp1124046p1132126.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pupinux at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 20:50:30 2008 From: pupinux at gmail.com (Pupino) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:50:30 +0200 Subject: qemu In-Reply-To: <2ad43eb042711d5a95cfeb03efea2716@localhost> References: <2ad43eb042711d5a95cfeb03efea2716@localhost> Message-ID: 2008/9/30 Joel Newkirk > In the course of working on my development VM, I installed qemu using > Mokomakefile. It seems it installs a Qtopia image. > > Can someone lead me by the hand, or point out a howto/faq I missed, that > clearly tells me how to set up other images with it, particularly FSO and > 2008.9? I know that I need to tell qemu it's "gta02fake" instead of > "gta01", but so far I've failed to get any images running with it apart > from the one Mokomakefile pulls in. (they timeout while flashing) > > And is there any simple way to support having multiple images installed, > choosing among them at launch time? All I can see for sure is how to > 'flash' it with different images. (I've not used qemu much yet, so I still > haven't fully wrapped my brain around the various symlinks and env settings > affecting it) I'm hoping I can create desktop shortcuts to simple scripts > that fire up qemu with various images, without having to fire up > Mokomakefile and reflash each time - ideal would be fully independent, each > available image having its own SD etc. > > Thanks for any info or advice. > > j > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Hi, i've experimented a bit with qemu since i have no freerunner yet, but i didn't get anything working. All I learned so far is: gta02fake needs a custom kernel and the patch proposed in the wiki no longer works. I've asked for help on this and on the developer list but didn't get any response. For the flashing problem, i'm quite sure you can "have" SD cards and ence you can manage them with a symlink, but i didn't understand how the SD is emulated. HTH Davide. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/514b71c1/attachment.htm From per.jonsson at laetus.se Wed Oct 1 20:57:13 2008 From: per.jonsson at laetus.se (Per Jonsson) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:57:13 +0200 Subject: Development environment suggestion ? In-Reply-To: <725bc0ca0809291359x2aa71bbej13849ee16fa3a2b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <48DE8D65.5080602@thesaint.mine.nu> <48E12745.5080708@laetus.se> <725bc0ca0809291359x2aa71bbej13849ee16fa3a2b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E3C809.9030801@laetus.se> Yes. I did some small update of that to run on the Eclipse Ganyemed which had different settings. What would be nice is a plugin which have all the stuff included, like the toolchain, maybe an emulator. What's so nice with eclipse is that it has nice features to update plugins automatic. /Perty Martin ?enke??k skrev: > Do you know about this page? > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Development_with_Eclipse > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Per Jonsson wrote: > >> I'm a Java Eclipse guy so I would love a plugin for Eclipse. Eclipse is >> made for pugins which makes it a great ide to extend. >> >> I think a good start could be to get the openmoko toolchain running in >> Eclipse with C/C++. Unfortunaly I havn't much time to poke around right >> now :-( >> >> /Perty >> >> From mlist at japina.eu Wed Oct 1 21:03:41 2008 From: mlist at japina.eu (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Bo=B9tjan_Jerko?=) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:03:41 +0200 Subject: Order from Pulster In-Reply-To: <200810011826.49140.daswaldhorn@gmx.de> References: <48AC72F1.2060204@googlemail.com> <200810011826.49140.daswaldhorn@gmx.de> Message-ID: Got to join the happy crowd with thanks to Christoph Pulster. If only I had a bit more time to play with FR - oh, well next week will be better. Bo?tjan On 1.10.2008, at 18:26, Carsten Gerlach wrote: > Hi, > > Am Mittwoch 20. August 2008 9:39:29 pm schrieb enaut: >> I recieved my Gummi bears yesterday :)... > > Yeah, one hour ago I pick up the parcel from the post office and, of > course, > with the Gummi bears, too. :-) > > Thank you, Christoph! > > Greetings, Carsten > > > > -- > Hier ist mein ?ffentlicher GPG-Schl?ssel: > http://daswaldhorn.funpic.de/gpg.html > ========================================= > www.stopptdievorratsdatenspeicherung.de > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From vclark at globalera.com Wed Oct 1 21:05:59 2008 From: vclark at globalera.com (Vince M. Clark) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:05:59 -0600 (MDT) Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <48E388B1.4000206@enable.cl> Message-ID: <10073143.2451222887959584.JavaMail.root@collab> I've tried multiple times with no success. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomas Riveros Schober" To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 8:26:57 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery try again and it will eventually work....the usb cable connected to the computer is usually the way to go...and when it boots, quickly swap it to the ac charger...at least that's what i just did (my neo died during the night) Vince M. Clark escribi?: > Well, I'm out of options. I left my fr plugged into the trickle > charger overnight. Still won't boot. > > Then I read this last post, about removing the battery long enough for > a reset, plugging into USB for 5-10 min, unplug/pause/plug back in. > Still won't boot. > > The only thing I haven't done that was recommended in this last post > is to use the latest u-boot. Unfortunately I cannot do this until I > get it to boot. Guess I will wait for my external charger to arrive. > > Should I be concerned that this isn't just a battery issue and maybe > my fr is dead? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Kenworthy" > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 12:01:52 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver > Subject: Re: dead battery > > These are my understandings from lots of reading and previous posts > between myself and Andy Green and others on the subject - should all be > in the archives. With 2007.2 I was hit one out of every 3 overnight > suspends ending in a flat battery. At least with 2008.9 its rarer (but > does happen :( > > With the later u-boots, usb default is 100ma as soon as its plugged in. > This unfortunately is less than a running Fr needs. Normally as soon as > the operating system is up enough, it will negotiate up to 500ma with > the host, or in the case of the wall charger, read the sense resistor > and see that 1A is available. When the OS is suspended, the PMU manages > the charge until the battery is charged whereupon it switches off - and > stays off. If the OS is running, it will cycle back on when the battery > level falls to 10-20% (reports vary) as the OS can reset and renegotiate > the charge level. > > If the battery is very low (i.e., the internal fail-safe disconnects > it), remove it from the phone for 30 seconds or so. This allows the > fail-safe to reset (this is what I think happens based on my > observations) so the 100ma can get to the battery, and also reset the > phone hardware - in particular the GSM modem which is directly connected > to the battery and is thought to be root cause by Andy Green - possibly > goes into a wierd state as power drops as well, preventing restart until > reset. > > The power rail of course drops due to the inrush current much more > during startup with a low battery than normal, causing one chip (USB I > think) to detect a dangerously low voltage and issue a shutdown. So you > cant get the phone to boot until the battery has had a few minutes of > charge. > > In my case, USB to my laptop or a desktop machine does it. > Remove/pause/replace battery > plug into USB for 5-10 minutes > remove/pause/replug USB cable and normal boot will happen within a few > seconds. > > The wall charger should work as well, but on my one try it didnt - > possibly because the u-boot wasnt new enough at the time. > > Recommendation - use a late (latest!) u-boot. > > BillK > > > > On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 22:13 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote: > > > Vince, > > > When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko > supplied > > > charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu > until it > > > timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from > the > > > NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. > > > > > > -Shawn > > > > > > > I'm confused. I thought that we didn't turn on the charger until we > > booted into Linux. Am I wrong? Do we charge in u-boot, even at a low > rate? > > > > Michael > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- > William Kenworthy > Home in Perth! > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/39802d16/attachment.htm From Quakeman1 at gmx.net Wed Oct 1 21:07:52 2008 From: Quakeman1 at gmx.net (Fox Mulder) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:07:52 +0200 Subject: [Debian] Still no resume In-Reply-To: <87ljx8nr19.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu> References: <87ljx8nr19.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu> Message-ID: <48E3CA88.7040202@gmx.net> Suspend is broken again in the latest fso kernels. But with the latest openmoko kernel suspend works. But zhone is reacting a bit weird after resuming. ;) Ciao, Rainer Sven Bretfeld wrote: > Hello list > > No matter what I'm doing, Debian won't wake up from suspend. I have > installed a recent FSO3 kernel, I tested both sd_idleclk scripts > mentioned at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian. > > The first script ends with the command touch /home/root/.profile. When > I reboot my phone after an unsuccessful suspend (and after removing > the battery), this file still contains an old time-stamp. So I think > the script was not executed before the suspend, i.e. idle-clock was > not started. I placed it, as described, in > /etc/apm/suspend.d/00sd_idleclk and made it executable. > > What can still be wrong? > > Thanks for help > > Sven > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From daniel at benoy.name Wed Oct 1 21:08:18 2008 From: daniel at benoy.name (Daniel Benoy) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:08:18 -0400 Subject: HTC Dream / T-Mobile G1 Message-ID: <200810011508.18069.daniel@benoy.name> Apparantly a phone with the Android OS has recently been released. I know Android is also based on Linux. Are there any plans to get openmoko running on that device? Is it even feasible? I wonder if we'd be able to use their kernel with openmoko code. (I'm also imagining that if they don't like that, then tough cookies. The GPL says we can get the source code if we want it) -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name From ineiti at markas-al-nour.org Wed Oct 1 21:30:35 2008 From: ineiti at markas-al-nour.org (Linus Gasser) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:30:35 +0100 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <2789726.1941222801447844.JavaMail.root@collab> References: <2789726.1941222801447844.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: <48E3CFDB.5040807@markas-al-nour.org> Vince M. Clark a ?crit : > My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. I usually just take out the battery and try to start it with the charger plugged in (never tried with the USB). A combination of - letting it without power for 30 seconds (no battery and no charger) - switching it on with: Press AUX - Press Powerbutton - Release AUX - Release Powerbutton using various timings - putting back in the battery anyway usually does the trick. As this sounds a bit like black magick, I'm sure there is somewhere a proper explanation and a "scientific" way to do it... Until that I stick to that what I know. Let there be light ;) Linus From sven.bretfeld at gmx.ch Wed Oct 1 22:02:44 2008 From: sven.bretfeld at gmx.ch (Sven Bretfeld) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:02:44 +0200 Subject: [Debian] Still no resume In-Reply-To: <48E3CA88.7040202@gmx.net> (Fox Mulder's message of "Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:07:52 +0200") References: <87ljx8nr19.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu> <48E3CA88.7040202@gmx.net> Message-ID: <8763ocnkwr.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/178b080c/attachment.htm From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 1 22:49:34 2008 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:49:34 +0100 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <10073143.2451222887959584.JavaMail.root@collab> References: <10073143.2451222887959584.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: <200810012149.34383.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Wednesday 01 October 2008, Vince M. Clark wrote: > I've tried multiple times with no success. If the various 'leave it charging' methods don't work then your best bet is the nokia battery or charger for nokia battery. Stick the charged nokia battery in the freerunner, plug in the usb lead or power adapter, and boot. Once it has booted remove the nokia battery and put in the original one that's dead. This will now start charging as normal. You can also connect up more or less any other single cell Li-Ion battery or suitable external PSU to do the initial boot, then remove and plug in the dead battery. If you think this method needs more detailed instructions you shouldn't be attempting it ;-) From ttb.1001 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 22:56:00 2008 From: ttb.1001 at gmail.com (t m) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:56:00 +0100 Subject: Stable OM distro In-Reply-To: <20081001151516.GA25209@erwin> References: <877i8tcgww.fsf@news.piechotka.com.pl> <20081001151516.GA25209@erwin> Message-ID: > > You can try FDOM. It's somewhat bloated, but works nicely for me. > Nice, I will try this as well. Even Qtopia didn't work out for me. Other users have the same experience? It usually takes a while before problems show, and I'm really hoping I will be able to at least phone and sms with a normal battery life (and resume that works) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/fc233c02/attachment.htm From mieszkowski at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 23:27:10 2008 From: mieszkowski at gmail.com (TL Mieszkowski) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: voip on Debian In-Reply-To: <48E2E40B.3020203@openmoko.org> References: <1220693338983-842903.post@n2.nabble.com> <200809061226.39049.f.hackenberger@chello.at> <48E2E40B.3020203@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <1222896430305-1132559.post@n2.nabble.com> As of now, I'm using asterisk on debian to connect to an IAX2 provider. (diamoncard.us) There is a far end echo, that is being caused by asterisk on the Freerunner. Other than that, it is working perfectly. I don't know much about the FSO framework or zhone, but it would be trivial (from the asterisk end) to use zhone as the front end, as it would only take sending asterisk manager commands to control the console. Configuration of asterisk with a gui would be a sticking point, but not too complicated by any means. I'm still working on eliminating the echo, but I have a feeling that nothing short of a recompile will work (or a channel driver for the wolfson codec instead of using alsa, both of which I am ignorant about). I saw the asterisk .ipk in the community repo, does anyone know the source of that package, or who compiled it? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/voip-on-Debian-tp842903p1132559.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ttb.1001 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 22:56:00 2008 From: ttb.1001 at gmail.com (t m) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:56:00 +0100 Subject: Stable OM distro In-Reply-To: <20081001151516.GA25209@erwin> References: <877i8tcgww.fsf@news.piechotka.com.pl> <20081001151516.GA25209@erwin> Message-ID: > > You can try FDOM. It's somewhat bloated, but works nicely for me. > Nice, I will try this as well. Even Qtopia didn't work out for me. Other users have the same experience? It usually takes a while before problems show, and I'm really hoping I will be able to at least phone and sms with a normal battery life (and resume that works) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/fc233c02/attachment-0001.htm From ttb.1001 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 22:56:00 2008 From: ttb.1001 at gmail.com (t m) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:56:00 +0100 Subject: Stable OM distro In-Reply-To: <20081001151516.GA25209@erwin> References: <877i8tcgww.fsf@news.piechotka.com.pl> <20081001151516.GA25209@erwin> Message-ID: > > You can try FDOM. It's somewhat bloated, but works nicely for me. > Nice, I will try this as well. Even Qtopia didn't work out for me. Other users have the same experience? It usually takes a while before problems show, and I'm really hoping I will be able to at least phone and sms with a normal battery life (and resume that works) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/fc233c02/attachment-0002.htm From atilla.filiz at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 23:37:25 2008 From: atilla.filiz at gmail.com (Atilla Filiz) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 23:37:25 +0200 Subject: [2008.8] [2008.9] [qtopia] earphones In-Reply-To: <48E3BB50.2070001@truebox.co.uk> References: <18db98c80810010825u5acfce34ya3fbb1f5e3d3d826@mail.gmail.com> <48E3A7F6.8000001@truebox.co.uk> <18db98c80810010945p2c4b622fxd324978ce7dc943a@mail.gmail.com> <48E3BB50.2070001@truebox.co.uk> Message-ID: <6016f9080810011437w6adcd6c6vaed77cacf9a64778@mail.gmail.com> My eperience with the headset: If you plug it all the way in, you hear from one side. You pull it out a bit, you hear from teh other side. There is a "sweet spot" where you can get sound from both sides. Experiment slowly. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Alastair Johnson wrote: > Davide Scaini wrote: > > Thanks a lot I'll try! > > why there's no wiki about that? > > Because nobody's added it yet ;-) If it sorts the problem for you then > please add the details to the wiki. > > > thanks again > > d > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Alastair Johnson > > wrote: > > > > Davide Scaini wrote: > > > hi all, > > > if I connect the earphones at the fr i can hear only from one > > side... is > > > that and hardware or a software problem? I tried with asu and > qtopia > > > with the same result > > > (the earphones are ok...) > > > thanks > > > d > > > > qtopia and 2008.x don't switch alsa state files on insertion of the > > headset. This leaves you with the stereoout.state which will give > output > > in one ear of the headset only. You need to load headset.state > instead: > > alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/headset.state restore > > You may have to switch states manually rather frequently, depending > on > > how aware of the headset the various apps are. You may want to switch > to > > gsmheadset.state during phone calls for instance. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- --------------------------------------------------------- Bu mesaj UTF-8 ile kodlanm??t?r --------------------------------------------------------- Atilla Filiz Technische Universiteit Eindhoven Embedded Systems, Master's Programme -------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/d924d896/attachment.htm From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 1 22:49:34 2008 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:49:34 +0100 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <10073143.2451222887959584.JavaMail.root@collab> References: <10073143.2451222887959584.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: <200810012149.34383.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Wednesday 01 October 2008, Vince M. Clark wrote: > I've tried multiple times with no success. If the various 'leave it charging' methods don't work then your best bet is the nokia battery or charger for nokia battery. Stick the charged nokia battery in the freerunner, plug in the usb lead or power adapter, and boot. Once it has booted remove the nokia battery and put in the original one that's dead. This will now start charging as normal. You can also connect up more or less any other single cell Li-Ion battery or suitable external PSU to do the initial boot, then remove and plug in the dead battery. If you think this method needs more detailed instructions you shouldn't be attempting it ;-) From atilla.filiz at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 23:43:42 2008 From: atilla.filiz at gmail.com (Atilla Filiz) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 23:43:42 +0200 Subject: Debian size and uSD In-Reply-To: <6016f9080810010839w3da50b7i2e5e7476b14675d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <6016f9080809301526w4d70975an3dac5338171f9501@mail.gmail.com> <20081001121503.23816b2117bmyagw@w10.mail.sapo.pt> <6016f9080810010656n348feb31v1d0867fdfba8c049@mail.gmail.com> <359c5480810010709k488dd79dl9570a0c0c0414be3@mail.gmail.com> <6016f9080810010839w3da50b7i2e5e7476b14675d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6016f9080810011443x5ea9eabdnc5038785e615f380@mail.gmail.com> A consistency check with fdisk yielded that the size of the partition and the size of the filesystem do not match, and advised me to run e2fsck. e2fsck said there are no problems. I ran fdisk and e2fsck on FR-debian. gparted on my py sees the partition as 2GB. darn it. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Atilla Filiz wrote: > I did > dd if=/dev/sdb2 of=/dev/sdf2 > and it booted but i still have a problem. sdb was a 512M card and sdf is > 2G. After copying, my pc sees it as 2G but FR sees it as 512M. Runing some > partition software now(testdisk). > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Nicola Mfb wrote: > >> 2008/10/1 Atilla Filiz >> >>> I can use two card readers, no problem. would you suggest me tar >>> /dev/sdb2 and untar it into /dev/sdc2? Or is >>> 'dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc' better >>> >> >> You may dd if=/dev/sdb2 of=/dev/sdc2, and after resize2fs /dev/sdc2. >> >> Nicola >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------- > Bu mesaj UTF-8 ile kodlanm??t?r > --------------------------------------------------------- > Atilla Filiz > Technische Universiteit Eindhoven > Embedded Systems, Master's Programme > -------------------------------------------------------- > -- --------------------------------------------------------- Bu mesaj UTF-8 ile kodlanm??t?r --------------------------------------------------------- Atilla Filiz Technische Universiteit Eindhoven Embedded Systems, Master's Programme -------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/38177717/attachment.htm From openmoko at ginguppin.de Wed Oct 1 23:52:26 2008 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:52:26 +0200 Subject: Debian size and uSD In-Reply-To: <6016f9080810011443x5ea9eabdnc5038785e615f380@mail.gmail.com> References: <6016f9080809301526w4d70975an3dac5338171f9501@mail.gmail.com> <20081001121503.23816b2117bmyagw@w10.mail.sapo.pt> <6016f9080810010656n348feb31v1d0867fdfba8c049@mail.gmail.com> <359c5480810010709k488dd79dl9570a0c0c0414be3@mail.gmail.com> <6016f9080810010839w3da50b7i2e5e7476b14675d7@mail.gmail.com> <6016f9080810011443x5ea9eabdnc5038785e615f380@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > A consistency check with fdisk yielded that the size of the partition and > the size of the filesystem do not match, and advised me to run e2fsck. > e2fsck said there are no problems. I ran fdisk and e2fsck on FR-debian. > gparted on my py sees the partition as 2GB. darn it. so? your partition might be 2g, but your fs still is 512mb. somebody explicitely mentioned to use resize2fs to make partitzion size and fs size match. From vclark at globalera.com Wed Oct 1 23:56:19 2008 From: vclark at globalera.com (Vince M. Clark) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:56:19 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Stable OM distro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <29831216.2481222898179356.JavaMail.root@collab> I'm assuming you are referring to Qtopia 4.3 right? It was close but not quite there. I have very high hopes for 4.4. ----- Original Message ----- From: "t m" To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 2:56:00 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: Stable OM distro You can try FDOM. It's somewhat bloated, but works nicely for me. Nice, I will try this as well. Even Qtopia didn't work out for me. Other users have the same experience? It usually takes a while before problems show, and I'm really hoping I will be able to at least phone and sms with a normal battery life (and resume that works) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/f51bd3b5/attachment.htm From ttb.1001 at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 22:56:00 2008 From: ttb.1001 at gmail.com (t m) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:56:00 +0100 Subject: Stable OM distro In-Reply-To: <20081001151516.GA25209@erwin> References: <877i8tcgww.fsf@news.piechotka.com.pl> <20081001151516.GA25209@erwin> Message-ID: > > You can try FDOM. It's somewhat bloated, but works nicely for me. > Nice, I will try this as well. Even Qtopia didn't work out for me. Other users have the same experience? It usually takes a while before problems show, and I'm really hoping I will be able to at least phone and sms with a normal battery life (and resume that works) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/fc233c02/attachment-0003.htm From dsamblasomcommunity at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 00:58:20 2008 From: dsamblasomcommunity at gmail.com (David Samblas) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:58:20 +0200 Subject: Stable OM distro In-Reply-To: <29831216.2481222898179356.JavaMail.root@collab> References: <29831216.2481222898179356.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: <1222901900.10429.322.camel@peregrintux> I believe a lot of us are keeping our breath and crossing the fingers. for that promising 4.4, but I'm a little confused about the openess of the premium modules. El mi?, 01-10-2008 a las 15:56 -0600, Vince M. Clark escribi?: > I'm assuming you are referring to Qtopia 4.3 right? It was close but > not quite there. I have very high hopes for 4.4. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "t m" > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 2:56:00 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver > Subject: Re: Stable OM distro > > You can try FDOM. It's somewhat bloated, but works nicely for > me. > > Nice, I will try this as well. Even Qtopia didn't work out for me. > Other users have the same experience? It usually takes a while before > problems show, and I'm really hoping I will be able to at least phone > and sms with a normal battery life (and resume that works) > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From dsamblasomcommunity at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 00:58:20 2008 From: dsamblasomcommunity at gmail.com (David Samblas) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:58:20 +0200 Subject: Stable OM distro In-Reply-To: <29831216.2481222898179356.JavaMail.root@collab> References: <29831216.2481222898179356.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: <1222901900.10429.322.camel@peregrintux> I believe a lot of us are keeping our breath and crossing the fingers. for that promising 4.4, but I'm a little confused about the openess of the premium modules. El mi?, 01-10-2008 a las 15:56 -0600, Vince M. Clark escribi?: > I'm assuming you are referring to Qtopia 4.3 right? It was close but > not quite there. I have very high hopes for 4.4. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "t m" > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 2:56:00 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver > Subject: Re: Stable OM distro > > You can try FDOM. It's somewhat bloated, but works nicely for > me. > > Nice, I will try this as well. Even Qtopia didn't work out for me. > Other users have the same experience? It usually takes a while before > problems show, and I'm really hoping I will be able to at least phone > and sms with a normal battery life (and resume that works) > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From raster at rasterman.com Thu Oct 2 01:26:47 2008 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:26:47 +1000 Subject: [2008.09][FSO] Programming interface to wifi Icon In-Reply-To: <53d5aa207fbef1c4fa1a793a214d4f2f@localhost> References: <48E37D7C.8030300@gmail.com> <53d5aa207fbef1c4fa1a793a214d4f2f@localhost> Message-ID: <20081002092647.4f2821a6.raster@rasterman.com> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:20:23 -0400 Joel Newkirk babbled: > > > On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:39:08 +0100, Arigead > wrote: i'm baffled. that bar wt the top is always visible - it's not part of your app (and it only is invisible if your app goes fullsreen). note that the icon is entirely part of the theme and may vary based on whatever theme you use. the bar is part of the window manager and its contents are controlled by code running in the wm process (either core or loadable modules). there are no signals for pressing the icon published - it's internal and up to the gadget code for that icon (in e terms it's a gadget). as its tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiny icon, pressing it is not that useful and so does nothing. > > Sorry Yes I would like to use the Icon on the top of the illume bar. I > > was thinking interfacing this to my daemon so regardless of app you can > > see the wifi status the same as you can see the GSM status at present. > > > > If anybody knows about "somewhat different" :-) Would this presently be > > set by Kernel code the Window Manager? > > It's part of the edje setup for the main screen, in illume.edj. (well, that > can differ - I've always installed illume-config and illume-config-illume) > You can think of the .edj file as a theme package of sorts, although it > abstracts more UI handling out of the program than traditional theming. In > OO fashion it separates all the user interaction into the edje file, with > the main application interacting via signals to change UI or respond to > user actions and triggers generated by the UI itself. > > You can set up in the .edj file to support changing icons triggered by > signals from 'outside', and emit signals when some UI interaction (IE, > click the icon) takes place. I'm interested in doing something similar > with USB, showing whether it's in host or device mode, networking vs mass > storage if device mode, sending or expecting power, forcing 500mA or 1000mA > charging, and ability to change all the above. you'd need code to figure this out - but then you feed a "State" to the edje - the edje then decides how to display that state. > The program edje_editor is great for taking a look at such features. It's > part of the E17 desktop setup, I've been playing with it in the developer > VM I'm working on. It takes the intact .edj file and extracts all the > configs, images, etc from it and gives you a nice WYSYWIG GUI editor. BTW > - I printed out the actual text config from illume.edj, it's about 100 > pages long... A simpler starting point to learn your way around .edj and > edje_editor is illume_init.edj, the startup theme. (second view of the > boots, with the green scanning back and forth instead of indicating percent > progress) It's quite easy to drop in a different background image, > redefine the animation, etc this way. > > (Now what we really need is a tool running ON the FR that decompiles the > main .edj file and lets us replace wallpaper, etc - basic customization, > not full-on UI redesign work) install edje-utils. use edje_decc then :) but really - you just want e's wallpaper setting dialog that already does all of this (if you ever used e on the desktop). > j > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From billk at iinet.net.au Thu Oct 2 01:43:28 2008 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:43:28 +0800 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <28329183.2421222870614949.JavaMail.root@collab> References: <28329183.2421222870614949.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: <1222904608.8112.44.camel@rattus.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 08:16 -0600, Vince M. Clark wrote: > Well, I'm out of options. I left my fr plugged into the trickle > charger overnight. Still won't boot. > Can you "jump start" it as per the wiki? Borrow (friend/partners/... phone) a nokia bl4c, bl5c or bl6c battery? Boot the FR using this. Once up you can safely remove the battery while still connected and replace it with yours which should happily charge. The PMU will have negotiated 500ma so the phone will stay up. I have not actually heard of a dead FR without prior cause (dropped etc) and the symptoms fit with an over-discharged battery and early u-boot so I doubt its actually dead. BillK From dsamblasomcommunity at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 00:58:20 2008 From: dsamblasomcommunity at gmail.com (David Samblas) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:58:20 +0200 Subject: Stable OM distro In-Reply-To: <29831216.2481222898179356.JavaMail.root@collab> References: <29831216.2481222898179356.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: <1222901900.10429.322.camel@peregrintux> I believe a lot of us are keeping our breath and crossing the fingers. for that promising 4.4, but I'm a little confused about the openess of the premium modules. El mi?, 01-10-2008 a las 15:56 -0600, Vince M. Clark escribi?: > I'm assuming you are referring to Qtopia 4.3 right? It was close but > not quite there. I have very high hopes for 4.4. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "t m" > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 2:56:00 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver > Subject: Re: Stable OM distro > > You can try FDOM. It's somewhat bloated, but works nicely for > me. > > Nice, I will try this as well. Even Qtopia didn't work out for me. > Other users have the same experience? It usually takes a while before > problems show, and I'm really hoping I will be able to at least phone > and sms with a normal battery life (and resume that works) > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From Quakeman1 at gmx.net Thu Oct 2 02:23:39 2008 From: Quakeman1 at gmx.net (Fox Mulder) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 02:23:39 +0200 Subject: [Debian] Still no resume In-Reply-To: <359c5480810011314u253372caob2ef029f6dae349a@mail.gmail.com> References: <87ljx8nr19.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu> <48E3CA88.7040202@gmx.net> <8763ocnkwr.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu> <359c5480810011314u253372caob2ef029f6dae349a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E4148B.2010107@gmx.net> It seems that OM and FSO apply different patches to the standard kernel so they behave a little different. At the moment i stick to OM kernels because they are build daily instead of FSO which build new kernels only in longer intervals. And as long as OM kernels work with the fso framework it is ok for me. ;) Ciao, Rainer Nicola Mfb wrote: > 2008/10/1 Sven Bretfeld > > > Suspend is broken again in the latest fso kernels. But with the latest > > openmoko kernel suspend works. But zhone is reacting a bit weird after > > resuming. ;) > > > Do you know if they are different kernels, or different version of the > same kernel tree? > > Nicola > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From mail at 3v1n0.net Thu Oct 2 02:51:10 2008 From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcmNvIFRyZXZpc2FuIChUcmV2acOxbyki?=) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 02:51:10 +0200 Subject: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released! In-Reply-To: <48E2C0F0.50608@trolltech.com> References: <48DCB3E0.3000209@trolltech.com> <48E270B2.9050300@trolltech.com> <48E2C0F0.50608@trolltech.com> Message-ID: Lorn Potter wrote: > Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote: >> Cool... Btw I've seen that there are also some commercial (premium) >> modules that could be integrated with Qtopia, also if they're not open >> source. Well, will be there a way to get the torch mobile browser, for >> example? > > This is the full functionality Iris web browser. This was not developed by Qt Software. There is a > simple example web browser in the qtextended sources. You would have to contact the premium module > companies to find out if they are releasing a version for the Neo. > > None of the 'premium' modules were developed by Qt Software. Qt Extended is fully dual licensed. Yeah, I knew that but the company which has developed Iris said to another user that the browser is available just for Trolltech/Nokia and not for all users... Can you confirm this or maybe there's a way to get it? -- Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ From flyin.bbb8 at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 03:01:53 2008 From: flyin.bbb8 at gmail.com (Flyin_bbb8) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 04:01:53 +0300 Subject: ReMoKo and openSuSE 11 In-Reply-To: References: <200809241507.49026.hcc@gatech.edu> <2165c69d0810010010g15243b7pa56287421b8ac1ee@mail.gmail.com> <200810010902.20994.hcc@gatech.edu> Message-ID: <2165c69d0810011801x7175c3dclc7bda6946d371699@mail.gmail.com> i have the same versions as Claus, and no i never tryed connecting bluetooth mouse or keyboard, thanx alot valerio for your help -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[1] http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/ [2] http://forum.telefoninux.org/index.php/topic,533.0/topicseen.html [3] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-01.ogg [4] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-02.ogg [5] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-03.ogg [6] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-04.ogg [7] http://www.rasterman.com/files/oe-setup.tar.gz -- Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ From opessach at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 04:32:34 2008 From: opessach at gmail.com (Ori Pessach) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:32:34 -0600 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 7:18 PM, "Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o)" wrote: > In the enlightenment archives there's a new Rasterman image: > - openmoko-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20080929-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 [1] > It looks so cool with the new illume theme [2] [3] [4] [5] [6], but > practically it has no telephony related software installed in since it > seems a simple OE built with these scripts [7], so (I figure) that > you're free to put in both the FSO and/or the Om2008.8 stack, just > install the needed packages! > > Bye. > > > [1] http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/ > [2] http://forum.telefoninux.org/index.php/topic,533.0/topicseen.html > [3] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-01.ogg > [4] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-02.ogg > [5] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-03.ogg > [6] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-04.ogg > [7] http://www.rasterman.com/files/oe-setup.tar.gz > > I have a question about the "predictive" keyboard shown in one of those movies - what on earth is the justification for providing the following predictions - User input is on the left, prediction is on the left: w - a wo - so wor - wot worl - work world - ? (I'm not sure what was the prediction, but at this point it's moot... It was probably wrong, anyway.) The qtopia keyboards do the same braindead thing. They're perfectly unusable as a result. The handwriting recognition engine appears to be wired into the same "prediction" engine, resulting in letters that were recognized correctly to be randomly replaced with incorrect letters. Is this a bug, or is that the intended behavior? --Ori Pessach -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/73d62ff8/attachment.htm From freerunner at newkirk.us Thu Oct 2 04:57:10 2008 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:57:10 -0400 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:32:34 -0600, "Ori Pessach" wrote: > I have a question about the "predictive" keyboard shown in one of those > movies - what on earth is the justification for providing the following > predictions - User input is on the left, prediction is on the left: > > w - a > wo - so > wor - wot > worl - work > world - ? (I'm not sure what was the prediction, but at this point it's > moot... It was probably wrong, anyway.) > > The qtopia keyboards do the same braindead thing. They're perfectly > unusable > as a result. The handwriting recognition engine appears to be wired into > the > same "prediction" engine, resulting in letters that were recognized > correctly to be randomly replaced with incorrect letters. > > Is this a bug, or is that the intended behavior? > > --Ori Pessach Intended, you just have to understand what it's doing. Unlike T9 and other predictive inputs that are familiar from cellphones, the keyboard predictive process looks at neighboring keys, 'predicting' that periodically you may hit the wrong one. (if you're using your finger that's pretty likely, especially if they're as wide as mine) If you pay close attention, the actual user input is "helko worlc", and yes it suggests 'hello' and 'world' as the prime suspects. As a developer and hacker I hate it. For text messaging it seems it would be useful, presuming that the user won't always have (or choose to use) a stylus. j From opessach at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 05:05:53 2008 From: opessach at gmail.com (Ori Pessach) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:05:53 -0600 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Joel Newkirk wrote: > > > On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:32:34 -0600, "Ori Pessach" > wrote: > > > I have a question about the "predictive" keyboard shown in one of those > > movies - what on earth is the justification for providing the following > > predictions - User input is on the left, prediction is on the left: > > > > w - a > > wo - so > > wor - wot > > worl - work > > world - ? (I'm not sure what was the prediction, but at this point it's > > moot... It was probably wrong, anyway.) > > > > The qtopia keyboards do the same braindead thing. They're perfectly > > unusable > > as a result. The handwriting recognition engine appears to be wired into > > the > > same "prediction" engine, resulting in letters that were recognized > > correctly to be randomly replaced with incorrect letters. > > > > Is this a bug, or is that the intended behavior? > > > > --Ori Pessach > > Intended, you just have to understand what it's doing. > > Unlike T9 and other predictive inputs that are familiar from cellphones, > the keyboard predictive process looks at neighboring keys, 'predicting' > that periodically you may hit the wrong one. (if you're using your finger > that's pretty likely, especially if they're as wide as mine) > > If you pay close attention, the actual user input is "helko worlc", and yes > it suggests 'hello' and 'world' as the prime suspects. > > As a developer and hacker I hate it. For text messaging it seems it would > be useful, presuming that the user won't always have (or choose to use) a > stylus. > I understand what it's doing. It's not doing it well. I tried it for shell input, and it was an unusable mess. I tried it for text messaging, and it was an unusable mess. It has no model of the likelihood of erroneous input (relatively low) and instead appears to look for the word with the closest minimum edit distance to the user's input. This is nuts. I have never - literally - gotten the word I typed in. In the common use case, of a user who enters a correct word, it invariably get it wrong. Understanding what it's doing doesn't make it less of a nuisance. --Ori Pessach -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/91700dd4/attachment.htm From raster at rasterman.com Thu Oct 2 05:11:21 2008 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:11:21 +1000 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081002131121.91b4856b.raster@rasterman.com> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:57:10 -0400 Joel Newkirk babbled: > > > On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:32:34 -0600, "Ori Pessach" > wrote: > > > I have a question about the "predictive" keyboard shown in one of those > > movies - what on earth is the justification for providing the following > > predictions - User input is on the left, prediction is on the left: > > > > w - a > > wo - so > > wor - wot > > worl - work > > world - ? (I'm not sure what was the prediction, but at this point it's > > moot... It was probably wrong, anyway.) > > > > The qtopia keyboards do the same braindead thing. They're perfectly > > unusable > > as a result. The handwriting recognition engine appears to be wired into > > the > > same "prediction" engine, resulting in letters that were recognized > > correctly to be randomly replaced with incorrect letters. > > > > Is this a bug, or is that the intended behavior? > > > > --Ori Pessach > > Intended, you just have to understand what it's doing. > > Unlike T9 and other predictive inputs that are familiar from cellphones, > the keyboard predictive process looks at neighboring keys, 'predicting' > that periodically you may hit the wrong one. (if you're using your finger > that's pretty likely, especially if they're as wide as mine) > > If you pay close attention, the actual user input is "helko worlc", and yes > it suggests 'hello' and 'world' as the prime suspects. > > As a developer and hacker I hate it. For text messaging it seems it would > be useful, presuming that the user won't always have (or choose to use) a > stylus. bingo. thus the terminal keyboard layout exists - it doesnt correct/predict or suggest. you get what you press, no more, no less, and immediately. so i'm trying to conquer both worlds. i have actually been using the corrective keyboard for testing - the freerunenr has a 2.8" screen. in practice thanks to the bevels on the sides its effective usable area is about 2.5". and on that tiny surface area i can usably type in full english sentences with very few mistakes WHILE walking down the street. thats much better than i can do with a stylus and a "non-corrective" keyboard on windows ce/mobile/pocketpc, on qtopia's "stylus" keyboard on my roker e6 and on the matchbox qwerty keyboard etc. etc. for entering sms/email/"human stuff" its great. if the word is not in your dict - it will be listed always at the top of the long-suggestions list (tap the top-left arrow). it will then be added to your dict. as you use words their "Frequency count" goes up and is stored. it learns what words you use a lot and tends to offer them as predicted corrections much more accurately once you have been using it for a bit. it is guessing what you meant to type based on the "you probably pressed the key you wanted or somewhere near it - maybe a key or 2 away, per letter in the word, so let me search a dictionary and look to see what you likely may have meant". as you type its looking these up and suggesting words. it won't suggest a word other than one in the dictionary file OR one in your personal dictionary (one it's learnt), or EXACTLY what u pressed. depending on how many things match you may get more in that list than can be displayed above the keyboard, so the top-left arrow brings up a full scrollable list of all matches in that case. what the qtopia keyboard does (i can't comment as well as the illume one) and illume do (which was heavily inspired by qtopia's keyboard - and kudos to the tolls for it. of course some things i really dont like about it and i've tried to address them in illume's keyboard - but qtopia's is very good!) is expect you to be entering "english text" (eg an email, sms, some notes etc.) and correct. both have modes to FORCE a letter to be used (in illume press and hold for 0.25 sec and the zoom box pops up - qtopia has a similar thing). in illume any letters you zoomed in on will not be "corrected". they will be taken as explicit selections and thus reduce the search space. illume provides multiple layouts as FILES - so you can extend them and provide more of your own for yoru langauge or personal preferences. the terminal layout just makes the illume keyboard be a "dumb stylus keyboard" where 1 press on 1 key == exactly that key stroke sent to the app. nothing more or less. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From opessach at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 05:35:40 2008 From: opessach at gmail.com (Ori Pessach) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:35:40 -0600 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <20081002131121.91b4856b.raster@rasterman.com> References: <20081002131121.91b4856b.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:11 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler < raster at rasterman.com> wrote: > On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:57:10 -0400 Joel Newkirk > babbled: > > > > > > > On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:32:34 -0600, "Ori Pessach" > > wrote: > > > > > I have a question about the "predictive" keyboard shown in one of those > > > movies - what on earth is the justification for providing the following > > > predictions - User input is on the left, prediction is on the left: > > > > > > w - a > > > wo - so > > > wor - wot > > > worl - work > > > world - ? (I'm not sure what was the prediction, but at this point it's > > > moot... It was probably wrong, anyway.) > > > > > > The qtopia keyboards do the same braindead thing. They're perfectly > > > unusable > > > as a result. The handwriting recognition engine appears to be wired > into > > > the > > > same "prediction" engine, resulting in letters that were recognized > > > correctly to be randomly replaced with incorrect letters. > > > > > > Is this a bug, or is that the intended behavior? > > > > > > --Ori Pessach > > > > Intended, you just have to understand what it's doing. > > > > Unlike T9 and other predictive inputs that are familiar from cellphones, > > the keyboard predictive process looks at neighboring keys, 'predicting' > > that periodically you may hit the wrong one. (if you're using your > finger > > that's pretty likely, especially if they're as wide as mine) > > > > If you pay close attention, the actual user input is "helko worlc", and > yes > > it suggests 'hello' and 'world' as the prime suspects. > > > > As a developer and hacker I hate it. For text messaging it seems it > would > > be useful, presuming that the user won't always have (or choose to use) a > > stylus. > > bingo. thus the terminal keyboard layout exists - it doesnt correct/predict > or > suggest. you get what you press, no more, no less, and immediately. so i'm > trying to conquer both worlds. i have actually been using the corrective > keyboard for testing - the freerunenr has a 2.8" screen. in practice thanks > to > the bevels on the sides its effective usable area is about 2.5". and on > that > tiny surface area i can usably type in full english sentences with very few > mistakes WHILE walking down the street. thats much better than i can do > with a > stylus and a "non-corrective" keyboard on windows ce/mobile/pocketpc, on > qtopia's "stylus" keyboard on my roker e6 and on the matchbox qwerty > keyboard > etc. etc. > > for entering sms/email/"human stuff" its great. if the word is not in your > dict > - it will be listed always at the top of the long-suggestions list (tap the > top-left arrow). it will then be added to your dict. as you use words their > "Frequency count" goes up and is stored. it learns what words you use a lot > and > tends to offer them as predicted corrections much more accurately once you > have > been using it for a bit. > > it is guessing what you meant to type based on the "you probably pressed > the > key you wanted or somewhere near it - maybe a key or 2 away, per letter in > the > word, so let me search a dictionary and look to see what you likely may > have > meant". as you type its looking these up and suggesting words. it won't > suggest > a word other than one in the dictionary file OR one in your personal > dictionary > (one it's learnt), or EXACTLY what u pressed. depending on how many things > match > you may get more in that list than can be displayed above the keyboard, so > the > top-left arrow brings up a full scrollable list of all matches in that > case. > > what the qtopia keyboard does (i can't comment as well as the illume one) > and > illume do (which was heavily inspired by qtopia's keyboard - and kudos to > the > tolls for it. of course some things i really dont like about it and i've > tried > to address them in illume's keyboard - but qtopia's is very good!) is > expect > you to be entering "english text" (eg an email, sms, some notes etc.) and > correct. both have modes to FORCE a letter to be used (in illume press and > hold > for 0.25 sec and the zoom box pops up - qtopia has a similar thing). in > illume > any letters you zoomed in on will not be "corrected". they will be taken as > explicit selections and thus reduce the search space. illume provides > multiple > layouts as FILES - so you can extend them and provide more of your own for > yoru > langauge or personal preferences. the terminal layout just makes the illume > keyboard be a "dumb stylus keyboard" where 1 press on 1 key == exactly that > key > stroke sent to the app. nothing more or less. > Making the user compensate for the algorithm's mistakes before it made them doesn't sound very useful. Sounds like it assumes that the user has intimate knowledge of the correction algorithm, which you have, and I don't. Maybe that's why it works for you and drives me absolutely batty. (I'm talking about the mode where the user is expected to force a letter before she has a chance to find out that it's going to be corrected in an unhelpful way.) --Ori Pessach -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081001/4f4d051c/attachment.htm From raster at rasterman.com Thu Oct 2 05:46:03 2008 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:46:03 +1000 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081002134603.72ba260c.raster@rasterman.com> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:05:53 -0600 "Ori Pessach" babbled: > I understand what it's doing. It's not doing it well. I tried it for shell i disagree. it works like a charm for me - as per my previous mail - i can use it while walking down the street. more than i can say for pretty much any other virtual keyboard i have available to me. > input, and it was an unusable mess. I tried it for text messaging, and it why someone would use a language dictionary-based corrective keyboard for shell input beats me! in this case i call "silly user - using a motorcycle to deliver elephants" line :) use the terminal keyboard. use a stylus. thats what it was meant for. :) > was an unusable mess. It has no model of the likelihood of erroneous input it does. it absolutely does. maybe your fingers are incredibly off-center? here is the algorithm (and if u don't believe me - code is there to be read): it stores a press POINT (x,y). it looks for all keys whose center point is WITHIN f distance of x,y (f being the fuzz value - the .kbd file for the qwerty Default keyboard is 135 units wide, with fuzz radius of 20, so that's about 1/3rd of the keyboard that it searches through for a likely match). likelihood factors (distance) per key found is allocated based on distance (0 == most likely, > 0 less likely the greater the value). each press is done this way EXCEPT if u hold for 0.25 sec then drag to select a key explicitly in zoom mode - then the ONLY key available for that word slot is that letter selected given a distance of 0. as you type all permutations of letters are searched and put into a list - with each permutation given a distance metric based on the letters used (simply addition of the distances). now this is combined with the dictionary's frequency metric (multiplied by an inverse) so the more likely the word is to be used the lower its distance becomes. words are sorted from most to least likely based on this metric then listed with most likely in the middle of the list, leas likely to the left/right ends - which you may not see. the vertical list lists all matches from most to least likely (top to bottom) with 1 exception - EXACTLY what u typed it as the top. it absolutely has a fairly good idea of likelihood of error and likelihood of usage of a word etc. etc. eg: Press | Guess+dist e e+0 w+1 r+2 d+2 s+1 r r+0 t+1 e+2 f+1 g+2 d+3 k k+0 l+1 o+2 i+3 j+3 d d+0 f+1 s+1 e+1 c+1 r+2 w+2 so "erkd" has distance 0 = but its not a word in the dictionary at all, so thrown out. "rwkd" has distance 1, but not a word, "srkd" same, "etkd", "efkd", "erld", etc. etc. in the end it produces a list where most likely "world" ends up the word with other options too - and this is a much simplified list. mostly the list for candidate letters per input letter is about 10-12 letters. so u have 12*12*12*12 permutations for a 4 letter word - of which a fraction of that space is legitimate words. each permutation has a likelihood value based on press distance and on frequency of usage of that word in language in general in the dictionary. mind you - i AM talking about illume's keyboard, its algorithms as is in the image i built. if you use something else i cannot comment as it's something else. > (relatively low) and instead appears to look for the word with the closest > minimum edit distance to the user's input. This is nuts. I have never - it's not - as the edit distance is the likelihood of error. you likely press the key you want - or near it. thus keys near where you pressed are more likely than those further away. to limit search distance only up to a certain distance is searched. chances are that you do this: fingerprint: ___ /~~~\ |~~~| |~~~| \x/ " where "x" is the pressure point reported on the touchscreen. the only info the touchscreen reports is the pressure point - nothing else. you think u press somewhere else, but don't. you know what u pressed bu what key "pops up" that lets u know pretty well how good your pressing of the screen is. this is just a hardware limit of a resistive touchscreen. the point of greatest pressure is used - not the middle point of the area in which skin contacts the screen. get the gpe-sketchbook and try press with the flat of your finger and see just of far off your press point is. it may surprise you. as i said - it does have all the model and code and even data to do proper correction based on many factors. i do NOT have a dictionary with frequency info for all of english - there is a "small" english dict (5000 words) with some frequency info in it i managed to gather, but its very small. if you don't believe me - read the code, or do better. patches accepted, but i think the problem is just that the dictionary has no frequency info by default (a matter of simple lack of data) or how you press the screen. i suggest you pay close attention to how you type and see. yes the "black word" (in the black box) may not be always the word u want - but its most often that word or a word right next to it - as you use it it will learn. if you are using it for non-english stuff then you need a different dictionary. > literally - gotten the word I typed in. In the common use case, of a user > who enters a correct word, it invariably get it wrong. > > Understanding what it's doing doesn't make it less of a nuisance. it does have concept of frequency orf words. i just dont have any DATA for that. the dict format handles is: word1 word2 word3 OR word1 20 word2 434 word3 1 etc. look at the personal dict file. ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/personal.dic it saves usage frequency. this affects lookup likelihood. btw - for me it gets the word most of the time or the word is not the most likely but at least listed as one of the most likely. use it for a bit and it learns and gets better. if you wish to generate a dictionary with frequency info - please do so! i made it really easy. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From raster at rasterman.com Thu Oct 2 05:57:35 2008 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:57:35 +1000 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: References: <20081002131121.91b4856b.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <20081002135735.470884d4.raster@rasterman.com> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:35:40 -0600 "Ori Pessach" babbled: > Making the user compensate for the algorithm's mistakes before it made them > doesn't sound very useful. Sounds like it assumes that the user has intimate > knowledge of the correction algorithm, which you have, and I don't. Maybe > that's why it works for you and drives me absolutely batty. > > (I'm talking about the mode where the user is expected to force a letter > before she has a chance to find out that it's going to be corrected in an > unhelpful way.) it's impossible to know. how do u know what the word int he end is going to be - if its something you haven't got in your dictionary and can't match to? that is why the full match list exists with exactly what you typed. then it goes into the dict and can be matched and as you use it more is more likely to be matched. if u are on an even smaller screen or on a very bumpy bus ride you can use hold+drag (zoom mode) to carefully enter a specific letter or word. if the word is not in the dict - this is a way to enter it. you will know its not there when its not offered as a correction in the short or long list. you get to delete what u typed and type again carefully. you only need to do this once. then it goes into the dict. btw - you DO know u can PRESS on the list of matches on the top - not just stroke right to accept the default "most likely" one? and you do know of the full match list? (top-left)? it doesnt assume intimate knowledge of the algorithm btw. you assume that it needs it - if u keep pressing the wrong keys hold+drag+zoom is a way to fix it. if u have a stylus and u are standing still the correction stuff is useless anyway - so u just don't use it. just press away with stylus as if it were any normal stylus keyboard (as u will always enter the correct word and thus it will always be exactly what you typed). seriously - as an experiment, when you type a word and it "gets the guess wrong" pop up the full list and at the top is EXACTLY what you typed. look at it then go "wow! it managed to correct THAT into the list of following words! wow!" it's astounding how it can turn a mangled mess into a legible word. it works! -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From freerunner at newkirk.us Thu Oct 2 06:19:50 2008 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 00:19:50 -0400 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <20081002131121.91b4856b.raster@rasterman.com> References: <20081002131121.91b4856b.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <14213025cf0d1d56733af5c040567933@localhost> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:11:21 +1000, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > for entering sms/email/"human stuff" its great. if the word is not in your > dict > - it will be listed always at the top of the long-suggestions list (tap > the > top-left arrow). it will then be added to your dict. as you use words > their > "Frequency count" goes up and is stored. it learns what words you use a > lot and > tends to offer them as predicted corrections much more accurately once you > have > been using it for a bit. Can you offer the ability to weight the personal dictionary? IE, either on write or on read, scale the frequency by a configurable factor? Force any entries there to come up first regardless of frequency? And for that matter, how does it handle the case where the built-in dict has no frequency data, but the user dict does? (I presume this is the 'default' situation) j From raster at rasterman.com Thu Oct 2 06:39:39 2008 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:39:39 +1000 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <14213025cf0d1d56733af5c040567933@localhost> References: <20081002131121.91b4856b.raster@rasterman.com> <14213025cf0d1d56733af5c040567933@localhost> Message-ID: <20081002143939.08dd52fc.raster@rasterman.com> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 00:19:50 -0400 Joel Newkirk babbled: > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:11:21 +1000, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > wrote: > > > for entering sms/email/"human stuff" its great. if the word is not in > your > > dict > > - it will be listed always at the top of the long-suggestions list (tap > > the > > top-left arrow). it will then be added to your dict. as you use words > > their > > "Frequency count" goes up and is stored. it learns what words you use a > > lot and > > tends to offer them as predicted corrections much more accurately once > you > > have > > been using it for a bit. > > Can you offer the ability to weight the personal dictionary? IE, either on > write or on read, scale the frequency by a configurable factor? Force any > entries there to come up first regardless of frequency? And for that > matter, how does it handle the case where the built-in dict has no > frequency data, but the user dict does? (I presume this is the 'default' > situation) the personal dict has frequency in it - and it always takes preference. any word you use will go into the personal dict as its weight will have changed (the system dict has no weights so all entries are assumed "1"). so from then on personal dict is "king". each word has a weight. words with higher weights are more likely to match - but that also depends how far off your typing is too. in generally you will find that the more you use a word the more it is either the default correction choice or that it is one of the very top candidates and is instantly visible (if its short enough). generally the longer the word the fewer dict candidates so it tends to get it right more reliably anyway. just try it! be patient - teach it things it doesn't know (names and proper names may not all be there as well as slang and shortenings like "2day" and "4ever" sms-speak), and as you use it and select the corrected word you want it will get much better at guessing your habits. it definitely does. i've tried it out a lot! -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From blumph at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 09:00:53 2008 From: blumph at gmail.com (nickd) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:00:53 +1000 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E471A5.2000604@gmail.com> Looks excellent! Can't seem to get suspend to work though. Is it because it's missing 'apm' or something? Also, would it be hard to port this to 2009.9? Is it more than a change of edje files? -Nick Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote: > In the enlightenment archives there's a new Rasterman image: > - openmoko-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20080929-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 [1] > It looks so cool with the new illume theme [2] [3] [4] [5] [6], but > practically it has no telephony related software installed in since it > seems a simple OE built with these scripts [7], so (I figure) that > you're free to put in both the FSO and/or the Om2008.8 stack, just > install the needed packages! > > Bye. > > > [1] http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/ > [2] http://forum.telefoninux.org/index.php/topic,533.0/topicseen.html > [3] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-01.ogg > [4] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-02.ogg > [5] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-03.ogg > [6] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-04.ogg > [7] http://www.rasterman.com/files/oe-setup.tar.gz > > From raster at rasterman.com Thu Oct 2 09:19:13 2008 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:19:13 +1000 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <48E471A5.2000604@gmail.com> References: <48E471A5.2000604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081002171913.7b13843e.raster@rasterman.com> On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:00:53 +1000 nickd babbled: > Looks excellent! Can't seem to get suspend to work though. Is it because > it's missing 'apm' or something? Also, would it be hard to port this to > 2009.9? Is it more than a change of edje files? its got it - thew FSO x builds dont allow aux and power buttons to be keys in x - so e can never get them (and no - i'm not going to do awful hacks like open kernel input devices directly when it should be punted through x). there is apm - but for some reason for me it wont wake up from suspend - no idea why. i havent really cared. thats a "kernel problem" and not somethnig i am wanting to focus on :( > -Nick > > Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote: > > In the enlightenment archives there's a new Rasterman image: > > - openmoko-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20080929-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 [1] > > It looks so cool with the new illume theme [2] [3] [4] [5] [6], but > > practically it has no telephony related software installed in since it > > seems a simple OE built with these scripts [7], so (I figure) that > > you're free to put in both the FSO and/or the Om2008.8 stack, just > > install the needed packages! > > > > Bye. > > > > > > [1] http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/ > > [2] http://forum.telefoninux.org/index.php/topic,533.0/topicseen.html > > [3] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-01.ogg > > [4] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-02.ogg > > [5] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-03.ogg > > [6] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-04.ogg > > [7] http://www.rasterman.com/files/oe-setup.tar.gz > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From atilla.filiz at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 09:26:05 2008 From: atilla.filiz at gmail.com (Atilla Filiz) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:26:05 +0200 Subject: Debian size and uSD In-Reply-To: References: <6016f9080809301526w4d70975an3dac5338171f9501@mail.gmail.com> <20081001121503.23816b2117bmyagw@w10.mail.sapo.pt> <6016f9080810010656n348feb31v1d0867fdfba8c049@mail.gmail.com> <359c5480810010709k488dd79dl9570a0c0c0414be3@mail.gmail.com> <6016f9080810010839w3da50b7i2e5e7476b14675d7@mail.gmail.com> <6016f9080810011443x5ea9eabdnc5038785e615f380@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6016f9080810020026t15930dd4k313e9cb24cc624b3@mail.gmail.com> playing around with resize2fs worked, thanks. On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:52 PM, arne anka wrote: > > A consistency check with fdisk yielded that the size of the partition and > > the size of the filesystem do not match, and advised me to run e2fsck. > > e2fsck said there are no problems. I ran fdisk and e2fsck on FR-debian. > > gparted on my py sees the partition as 2GB. darn it. > > so? your partition might be 2g, but your fs still is 512mb. > somebody explicitely mentioned to use resize2fs to make partitzion size > and fs size match. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- --------------------------------------------------------- Bu mesaj UTF-8 ile kodlanm??t?r --------------------------------------------------------- Atilla Filiz Technische Universiteit Eindhoven Embedded Systems, Master's Programme -------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/d996d363/attachment.htm From cedric.berger74 at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 09:38:14 2008 From: cedric.berger74 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E9dric_Berger?=) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:38:14 +0200 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <20081002135735.470884d4.raster@rasterman.com> References: <20081002131121.91b4856b.raster@rasterman.com> <20081002135735.470884d4.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 05:57, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler < raster at rasterman.com> wrote: [...] > you will know its not > there when its not offered as a correction in the short or long list. you > get > to delete what u typed and type again carefully. you only need to do this > once. > then it goes into the dict. > > [...] seriously - as an experiment, when you type a word and it "gets the guess > wrong" pop up the full list and at the top is EXACTLY what you typed. [..] What I really miss is having what I really typed be immediatly available as an option (ie not having to pop up a list). Personnaly I would even prefer by far (but might be an option) that what I type is what is selected by default, and a "computed" word is shown in the box that I can choose instead, if I want... and even writing english text messages, it is too often I have to enter unknown names, locations, emails, .... whatever.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/87c91597/attachment.htm From steve at openmoko.com Thu Oct 2 09:59:20 2008 From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:59:20 -0700 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <20081002134603.72ba260c.raster@rasterman.com> References: <20081002134603.72ba260c.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <48E47F58.3050006@openmoko.com> Hey raster, How's it going. I promised you some frequency data a while back. http://ucrel.lancs.ac.uk/bncfreq/flists.html http://ucrel.lancs.ac.uk/bncfreq/lists/1_2_all_freq.txt there are others as well Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:05:53 -0600 "Ori Pessach" babbled: > >> I understand what it's doing. It's not doing it well. I tried it for shell > > i disagree. it works like a charm for me - as per my previous mail - i can use > it while walking down the street. more than i can say for pretty much any other > virtual keyboard i have available to me. > >> input, and it was an unusable mess. I tried it for text messaging, and it > > why someone would use a language dictionary-based corrective keyboard for shell > input beats me! in this case i call "silly user - using a motorcycle to deliver > elephants" line :) use the terminal keyboard. use a stylus. thats what it was > meant for. :) > >> was an unusable mess. It has no model of the likelihood of erroneous input > > it does. it absolutely does. maybe your fingers are incredibly off-center? here > is the algorithm (and if u don't believe me - code is there to be read): > > it stores a press POINT (x,y). it looks for all keys whose center point is > WITHIN f distance of x,y (f being the fuzz value - the .kbd file for the > qwerty Default keyboard is 135 units wide, with fuzz radius of 20, so that's > about 1/3rd of the keyboard that it searches through for a likely match). > likelihood factors (distance) per key found is allocated based on distance (0 > == most likely, > 0 less likely the greater the value). each press is done this > way EXCEPT if u hold for 0.25 sec then drag to select a key explicitly in zoom > mode - then the ONLY key available for that word slot is that letter selected > given a distance of 0. as you type all permutations of letters are searched and > put into a list - with each permutation given a distance metric based on the > letters used (simply addition of the distances). now this is combined with the > dictionary's frequency metric (multiplied by an inverse) so the more likely the > word is to be used the lower its distance becomes. words are sorted from most > to least likely based on this metric then listed with most likely in the middle > of the list, leas likely to the left/right ends - which you may not see. the > vertical list lists all matches from most to least likely (top to bottom) with 1 > exception - EXACTLY what u typed it as the top. it absolutely has a fairly good > idea of likelihood of error and likelihood of usage of a word etc. etc. > > eg: > > Press | Guess+dist > e e+0 w+1 r+2 d+2 s+1 > r r+0 t+1 e+2 f+1 g+2 d+3 > k k+0 l+1 o+2 i+3 j+3 > d d+0 f+1 s+1 e+1 c+1 r+2 w+2 > > so "erkd" has distance 0 = but its not a word in the dictionary at all, so > thrown out. "rwkd" has distance 1, but not a word, "srkd" same, "etkd", "efkd", > "erld", etc. etc. > > in the end it produces a list where most likely "world" ends up the word > with other options too - and this is a much simplified list. mostly the list > for candidate letters per input letter is about 10-12 letters. so u have > 12*12*12*12 permutations for a 4 letter word - of which a fraction of that > space is legitimate words. each permutation has a likelihood value based on > press distance and on frequency of usage of that word in language in general in > the dictionary. > > mind you - i AM talking about illume's keyboard, its algorithms as is in the > image i built. if you use something else i cannot comment as it's something > else. > >> (relatively low) and instead appears to look for the word with the closest >> minimum edit distance to the user's input. This is nuts. I have never - > > it's not - as the edit distance is the likelihood of error. you likely press > the key you want - or near it. thus keys near where you pressed are more likely > than those further away. to limit search distance only up to a certain distance > is searched. chances are that you do this: > > fingerprint: > ___ > /~~~\ > |~~~| > |~~~| > \x/ > " > > where "x" is the pressure point reported on the touchscreen. the only info the > touchscreen reports is the pressure point - nothing else. you think u press > somewhere else, but don't. you know what u pressed bu what key "pops up" that > lets u know pretty well how good your pressing of the screen is. this is just a > hardware limit of a resistive touchscreen. the point of greatest pressure is > used - not the middle point of the area in which skin contacts the screen. get > the gpe-sketchbook and try press with the flat of your finger and see just of > far off your press point is. it may surprise you. > > as i said - it does have all the model and code and even data to do proper > correction based on many factors. i do NOT have a dictionary with frequency > info for all of english - there is a "small" english dict (5000 words) with > some frequency info in it i managed to gather, but its very small. > > if you don't believe me - read the code, or do better. patches accepted, but i > think the problem is just that the dictionary has no frequency info by default > (a matter of simple lack of data) or how you press the screen. i suggest you > pay close attention to how you type and see. yes the "black word" (in the black > box) may not be always the word u want - but its most often that word or a word > right next to it - as you use it it will learn. if you are using it for > non-english stuff then you need a different dictionary. > >> literally - gotten the word I typed in. In the common use case, of a user >> who enters a correct word, it invariably get it wrong. >> >> Understanding what it's doing doesn't make it less of a nuisance. > > it does have concept of frequency orf words. i just dont have any DATA for > that. the dict format handles is: > word1 > word2 > word3 > > OR > word1 20 > word2 434 > word3 1 > > etc. > look at the personal dict file. ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/personal.dic > > it saves usage frequency. this affects lookup likelihood. btw - for me it gets > the word most of the time or the word is not the most likely but at least > listed as one of the most likely. use it for a bit and it learns and gets > better. if you wish to generate a dictionary with frequency info - please do > so! i made it really easy. > From steve at openmoko.com Thu Oct 2 10:01:14 2008 From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:01:14 -0700 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <20081002134603.72ba260c.raster@rasterman.com> References: <20081002134603.72ba260c.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <48E47FCA.9090306@openmoko.com> raster the list I sent you was from the British National Corpus, but should be a good start. Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:05:53 -0600 "Ori Pessach" babbled: > >> I understand what it's doing. It's not doing it well. I tried it for shell > > i disagree. it works like a charm for me - as per my previous mail - i can use > it while walking down the street. more than i can say for pretty much any other > virtual keyboard i have available to me. > >> input, and it was an unusable mess. I tried it for text messaging, and it > > why someone would use a language dictionary-based corrective keyboard for shell > input beats me! in this case i call "silly user - using a motorcycle to deliver > elephants" line :) use the terminal keyboard. use a stylus. thats what it was > meant for. :) > >> was an unusable mess. It has no model of the likelihood of erroneous input > > it does. it absolutely does. maybe your fingers are incredibly off-center? here > is the algorithm (and if u don't believe me - code is there to be read): > > it stores a press POINT (x,y). it looks for all keys whose center point is > WITHIN f distance of x,y (f being the fuzz value - the .kbd file for the > qwerty Default keyboard is 135 units wide, with fuzz radius of 20, so that's > about 1/3rd of the keyboard that it searches through for a likely match). > likelihood factors (distance) per key found is allocated based on distance (0 > == most likely, > 0 less likely the greater the value). each press is done this > way EXCEPT if u hold for 0.25 sec then drag to select a key explicitly in zoom > mode - then the ONLY key available for that word slot is that letter selected > given a distance of 0. as you type all permutations of letters are searched and > put into a list - with each permutation given a distance metric based on the > letters used (simply addition of the distances). now this is combined with the > dictionary's frequency metric (multiplied by an inverse) so the more likely the > word is to be used the lower its distance becomes. words are sorted from most > to least likely based on this metric then listed with most likely in the middle > of the list, leas likely to the left/right ends - which you may not see. the > vertical list lists all matches from most to least likely (top to bottom) with 1 > exception - EXACTLY what u typed it as the top. it absolutely has a fairly good > idea of likelihood of error and likelihood of usage of a word etc. etc. > > eg: > > Press | Guess+dist > e e+0 w+1 r+2 d+2 s+1 > r r+0 t+1 e+2 f+1 g+2 d+3 > k k+0 l+1 o+2 i+3 j+3 > d d+0 f+1 s+1 e+1 c+1 r+2 w+2 > > so "erkd" has distance 0 = but its not a word in the dictionary at all, so > thrown out. "rwkd" has distance 1, but not a word, "srkd" same, "etkd", "efkd", > "erld", etc. etc. > > in the end it produces a list where most likely "world" ends up the word > with other options too - and this is a much simplified list. mostly the list > for candidate letters per input letter is about 10-12 letters. so u have > 12*12*12*12 permutations for a 4 letter word - of which a fraction of that > space is legitimate words. each permutation has a likelihood value based on > press distance and on frequency of usage of that word in language in general in > the dictionary. > > mind you - i AM talking about illume's keyboard, its algorithms as is in the > image i built. if you use something else i cannot comment as it's something > else. > >> (relatively low) and instead appears to look for the word with the closest >> minimum edit distance to the user's input. This is nuts. I have never - > > it's not - as the edit distance is the likelihood of error. you likely press > the key you want - or near it. thus keys near where you pressed are more likely > than those further away. to limit search distance only up to a certain distance > is searched. chances are that you do this: > > fingerprint: > ___ > /~~~\ > |~~~| > |~~~| > \x/ > " > > where "x" is the pressure point reported on the touchscreen. the only info the > touchscreen reports is the pressure point - nothing else. you think u press > somewhere else, but don't. you know what u pressed bu what key "pops up" that > lets u know pretty well how good your pressing of the screen is. this is just a > hardware limit of a resistive touchscreen. the point of greatest pressure is > used - not the middle point of the area in which skin contacts the screen. get > the gpe-sketchbook and try press with the flat of your finger and see just of > far off your press point is. it may surprise you. > > as i said - it does have all the model and code and even data to do proper > correction based on many factors. i do NOT have a dictionary with frequency > info for all of english - there is a "small" english dict (5000 words) with > some frequency info in it i managed to gather, but its very small. > > if you don't believe me - read the code, or do better. patches accepted, but i > think the problem is just that the dictionary has no frequency info by default > (a matter of simple lack of data) or how you press the screen. i suggest you > pay close attention to how you type and see. yes the "black word" (in the black > box) may not be always the word u want - but its most often that word or a word > right next to it - as you use it it will learn. if you are using it for > non-english stuff then you need a different dictionary. > >> literally - gotten the word I typed in. In the common use case, of a user >> who enters a correct word, it invariably get it wrong. >> >> Understanding what it's doing doesn't make it less of a nuisance. > > it does have concept of frequency orf words. i just dont have any DATA for > that. the dict format handles is: > word1 > word2 > word3 > > OR > word1 20 > word2 434 > word3 1 > > etc. > look at the personal dict file. ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/personal.dic > > it saves usage frequency. this affects lookup likelihood. btw - for me it gets > the word most of the time or the word is not the most likely but at least > listed as one of the most likely. use it for a bit and it learns and gets > better. if you wish to generate a dictionary with frequency info - please do > so! i made it really easy. > From omega.xavier at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 10:14:07 2008 From: omega.xavier at gmail.com (Xavier Cremaschi) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:14:07 +0200 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <200810010944.07451.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> References: <21469855.2191222817482396.JavaMail.root@collab> <200810010944.07451.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> Message-ID: <48E482CF.3020302@gmail.com> Sarton O'Brien a ?crit : > > The 'leave it overnight' scenario is the best one I encounter for a dead > battery ;) ... I think you'll be right. > > Sarton A good one is : - Hold down the aux key. - Put battery in. - Put usb in. - Hold down the power key. - Release aux key. - Wait for menu. From meng.sun at sesca.com Thu Oct 2 10:31:20 2008 From: meng.sun at sesca.com (Meng Sun) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:31:20 +0300 Subject: MPlayer with Glamo Message-ID: <1222936280.19877.6.camel@sunmeng-desktop> Hi, I'm trying to compile MPlayer with Glamo support following this site: http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ But error occurs when compile it as follows: libaf/af.o:(.rodata+0x3c): undefined reference to `af_info_lavcac3enc' libavformat/libavformat.a(asf.o): In function `asf_read_header': asf.c:(.text+0x9bc): undefined reference to `get_wav_header' asf.c:(.text+0x9d8): undefined reference to `get_wav_header' libavformat/libavformat.a(asf-enc.o): In function `asf_write_header1': asf-enc.c:(.text+0xc20): undefined reference to `put_bmp_header' asf-enc.c:(.text+0x109c): undefined reference to `put_wav_header' libavformat/libavformat.a(avidec.o): In function `avi_read_header': avidec.c:(.text+0x25a8): undefined reference to `get_wav_header' libavformat/libavformat.a(avienc.o): In function `avi_write_idx1': avienc.c:(.text+0x490): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x63c): undefined reference to `end_tag' libavformat/libavformat.a(avienc.o): In function `avi_write_trailer': avienc.c:(.text+0x694): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x6a0): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x830): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x848): undefined reference to `end_tag' libavformat/libavformat.a(avienc.o):avienc.c:(.text+0xb08): more undefined references to `end_tag' follow libavformat/libavformat.a(avienc.o): In function `avi_write_packet': avienc.c:(.text+0xb58): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0xb74): undefined reference to `start_tag' libavformat/libavformat.a(avienc.o): In function `avi_write_header': avienc.c:(.text+0xc8c): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0xcac): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0xed4): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0xf1c): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x10ac): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x10c8): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x10f8): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x1120): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x1240): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x130c): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x1364): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x1388): undefined reference to `put_bmp_header' avienc.c:(.text+0x1398): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x13b8): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x13c4): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x15c4): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x15d0): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x1604): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x1610): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x166c): undefined reference to `start_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x16c8): undefined reference to `end_tag' avienc.c:(.text+0x187c): undefined reference to `put_wav_header' libavformat/libavformat.a(dxa.o): In function `dxa_read_header': dxa.c:(.text+0x63c): undefined reference to `get_wav_header' libavformat/libavformat.a(matroskaenc.o): In function `mkv_write_tracks': matroskaenc.c:(.text+0x1b88): undefined reference to `put_bmp_header' matroskaenc.c:(.text+0x1eac): undefined reference to `put_wav_header' libavformat/libavformat.a(mmf.o): In function `mmf_write_header': mmf.c:(.text+0x49c): undefined reference to `start_tag' mmf.c:(.text+0x5f4): undefined reference to `start_tag' libavformat/libavformat.a(nuv.o): In function `nuv_header': nuv.c:(.text+0x564): undefined reference to `wav_codec_get_id' libavformat/libavformat.a(wav.o): In function `wav_write_trailer': wav.c:(.text+0xc0): undefined reference to `end_tag' libavformat/libavformat.a(wav.o): In function `wav_write_header': wav.c:(.text+0x31c): undefined reference to `start_tag' wav.c:(.text+0x334): undefined reference to `put_wav_header' wav.c:(.text+0x354): undefined reference to `end_tag' wav.c:(.text+0x3c8): undefined reference to `start_tag' wav.c:(.text+0x3e4): undefined reference to `start_tag' wav.c:(.text+0x408): undefined reference to `end_tag' libavformat/libavformat.a(wav.o): In function `wav_read_header': wav.c:(.text+0x508): undefined reference to `get_wav_header' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [mplayer] Error 1 Could you please show me where goes wrong? Thanks. Cheers, From ato at meshy.org Thu Oct 2 10:45:59 2008 From: ato at meshy.org (Alex Osborne) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:45:59 +1000 Subject: [Om2008.9] xterm && larger fonts In-Reply-To: <20080930160724.GA1735@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20080930160724.GA1735@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <602CCB73-BA1F-42AB-B308-0B4243880434@meshy.org> On 01/10/2008, at 2:07 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Any hint about the name of a larger font that could be used with > 'xterm -fn ...'? I'm as well missing 'xlsfonts' in FR :-( > xterm -fn -*-fixed-medium-*-*-*-20-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ? Here's the xlsfonts binary from Debian. It's probably binary compatible enough to work on Om2008.9 as well. http://meshy.org/~ato/tmp/xlsfonts From dscaini at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 11:01:05 2008 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:01:05 +0200 Subject: [2008.8] [2008.9] [qtopia] earphones In-Reply-To: <6016f9080810011437w6adcd6c6vaed77cacf9a64778@mail.gmail.com> References: <18db98c80810010825u5acfce34ya3fbb1f5e3d3d826@mail.gmail.com> <48E3A7F6.8000001@truebox.co.uk> <18db98c80810010945p2c4b622fxd324978ce7dc943a@mail.gmail.com> <48E3BB50.2070001@truebox.co.uk> <6016f9080810011437w6adcd6c6vaed77cacf9a64778@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18db98c80810020201o7db81ceay118baada763f5868@mail.gmail.com> i'll try! then if it works i'll add to the wiki. answers below: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:37 PM, Atilla Filiz wrote: > My eperience with the headset: If you plug it all the way in, you hear from > one side. You pull it out a bit, you hear from teh other side. There is a > "sweet spot" where you can get sound from both sides. Experiment slowly. > this appens with every kind of device ;-) in this way you hear only one channel! you're touching with one pin the two channels of the earphones (this is sure trust me). try with your hifi - this is not a solution d > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Alastair Johnson wrote: > >> Davide Scaini wrote: >> > Thanks a lot I'll try! >> > why there's no wiki about that? >> >> Because nobody's added it yet ;-) If it sorts the problem for you then >> please add the details to the wiki. >> >> > thanks again >> > d >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Alastair Johnson < >> alastair at truebox.co.uk >> > > wrote: >> > >> > Davide Scaini wrote: >> > > hi all, >> > > if I connect the earphones at the fr i can hear only from one >> > side... is >> > > that and hardware or a software problem? I tried with asu and >> qtopia >> > > with the same result >> > > (the earphones are ok...) >> > > thanks >> > > d >> > >> > qtopia and 2008.x don't switch alsa state files on insertion of the >> > headset. This leaves you with the stereoout.state which will give >> output >> > in one ear of the headset only. You need to load headset.state >> instead: >> > alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/headset.state >> restore >> > You may have to switch states manually rather frequently, depending >> on >> > how aware of the headset the various apps are. You may want to >> switch to >> > gsmheadset.state during phone calls for instance. >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------- > Bu mesaj UTF-8 ile kodlanm??t?r > --------------------------------------------------------- > Atilla Filiz > Technische Universiteit Eindhoven > Embedded Systems, Master's Programme > -------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I guess this was too much for me to hope for, huh? Stroller. From dscaini at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 11:07:17 2008 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:07:17 +0200 Subject: [debian] going to install - hints? Message-ID: <18db98c80810020207y79dbbd8cj3223f1679a52c176@mail.gmail.com> Hi, in these days i'm going to install debian. Do you have any hints before starting to have a nice installation? thanks! d ps: i read about the fso kernel suspending problem, so is it better for me to use om kernel? thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/8a15a5be/attachment.htm From guru at unixarea.de Thu Oct 2 11:07:58 2008 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:07:58 +0200 Subject: [Om2008.9] xterm && larger fonts In-Reply-To: <602CCB73-BA1F-42AB-B308-0B4243880434@meshy.org> References: <20080930160724.GA1735@rebelion.Sisis.de> <602CCB73-BA1F-42AB-B308-0B4243880434@meshy.org> Message-ID: <20081002090758.GB4332@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Thursday, October 02, 2008 a las 06:45:59PM +1000, Alex Osborne escribi?: > > On 01/10/2008, at 2:07 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > > >Any hint about the name of a larger font that could be used with > >'xterm -fn ...'? I'm as well missing 'xlsfonts' in FR :-( > > > > xterm -fn -*-fixed-medium-*-*-*-20-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > > ? > > Here's the xlsfonts binary from Debian. It's probably binary > compatible enough to work on Om2008.9 as well. > > http://meshy.org/~ato/tmp/xlsfonts Thanks for this; it produced: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--0-0-75-75-c-0-iso8859-1 -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-100-100-100-c-60-iso8859-1 -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1 6x13 cursor fixed maybe I'm missing some pkg for more fonts; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows From ian at tradeswest.ca Thu Oct 2 11:12:44 2008 From: ian at tradeswest.ca (Ian Stephen) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 05:12:44 -0400 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1222938764.48e4908c51e71@ssl.mecca.ca> Quoting Joel Newkirk : > > > On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:32:34 -0600, "Ori Pessach" > wrote: > > > I have a question about the "predictive" keyboard shown in one of those > > movies > > > > --Ori Pessach > > Intended, you just have to understand what it's doing. > > Unlike T9 and other predictive inputs that are familiar from cellphones, > the keyboard predictive process looks at neighboring keys, 'predicting' > that periodically you may hit the wrong one. (if you're using your finger > that's pretty likely, especially if they're as wide as mine) At first look I thought this keyboard was useless. Coming back to it later I started to see how it worked, but still switched to a full dvorak layout with stylus all the time. Seeing this thread I took another look ... stylus ... finger...! Now I love it! I can mash all over the keyboard with my fat fingers and it makes the right words available almost every time! No more squinting in poor light trying to get exactly the right key with the stylus. I think I'll be using this predictive keyboard a lot more. IanS From raster at rasterman.com Thu Oct 2 11:25:13 2008 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:25:13 +1000 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <1222938764.48e4908c51e71@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <1222938764.48e4908c51e71@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <20081002192513.5f3d782f.raster@rasterman.com> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 05:12:44 -0400 Ian Stephen babbled: > Quoting Joel Newkirk : > > > > > > > On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:32:34 -0600, "Ori Pessach" > > wrote: > > > > > I have a question about the "predictive" keyboard shown in one of those > > > movies > > > > > > > --Ori Pessach > > > > Intended, you just have to understand what it's doing. > > > > Unlike T9 and other predictive inputs that are familiar from cellphones, > > the keyboard predictive process looks at neighboring keys, 'predicting' > > that periodically you may hit the wrong one. (if you're using your finger > > that's pretty likely, especially if they're as wide as mine) > > At first look I thought this keyboard was useless. Coming back to it later I > started to see how it worked, but still switched to a full dvorak layout with > stylus all the time. > > Seeing this thread I took another look ... stylus ... finger...! Now I love > it! I can mash all over the keyboard with my fat fingers and it makes the > right words available almost every time! No more squinting in poor light > trying to get exactly the right key with the stylus. I think I'll be using > this predictive keyboard a lot more. and he started doing the monster mash! mash mash mash! :) now you've got the spirit! :) yes. if you want to hen-peck with a stylus - use terminal (or use a terminal where a dictionary makes no sense). if you want to write "english" and mach about with your fingers! use default (alpha) layout and let the dictionary fix up your monster mash. :) mash more and more over time and its idea of what words are more important that others to match will improve over time as you use it. of course words not in the dictionary can't be de-mashed, so just hold and drag in zoom moved to enter them just once (per word not in the dict)... (have the patience) and thereafter... mash away!. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From raster at rasterman.com Thu Oct 2 11:27:20 2008 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:27:20 +1000 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <48E47F58.3050006@openmoko.com> References: <20081002134603.72ba260c.raster@rasterman.com> <48E47F58.3050006@openmoko.com> Message-ID: <20081002192720.1999899b.raster@rasterman.com> On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:59:20 -0700 Steve Mosher babbled: aha! a "decent" frequency corpus (a few thousand words). i'll merge this with the default us dict (and remove the small one as now that's useless). > Hey raster, How's it going. > > I promised you some frequency data a while back. > http://ucrel.lancs.ac.uk/bncfreq/flists.html > http://ucrel.lancs.ac.uk/bncfreq/lists/1_2_all_freq.txt > > there are others as well > > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:05:53 -0600 "Ori Pessach" > > babbled: > > > >> I understand what it's doing. It's not doing it well. I tried it for shell > > > > i disagree. it works like a charm for me - as per my previous mail - i can > > use it while walking down the street. more than i can say for pretty much > > any other virtual keyboard i have available to me. > > > >> input, and it was an unusable mess. I tried it for text messaging, and it > > > > why someone would use a language dictionary-based corrective keyboard for > > shell input beats me! in this case i call "silly user - using a motorcycle > > to deliver elephants" line :) use the terminal keyboard. use a stylus. > > thats what it was meant for. :) > > > >> was an unusable mess. It has no model of the likelihood of erroneous input > > > > it does. it absolutely does. maybe your fingers are incredibly off-center? > > here is the algorithm (and if u don't believe me - code is there to be > > read): > > > > it stores a press POINT (x,y). it looks for all keys whose center point is > > WITHIN f distance of x,y (f being the fuzz value - the .kbd file for the > > qwerty Default keyboard is 135 units wide, with fuzz radius of 20, so that's > > about 1/3rd of the keyboard that it searches through for a likely match). > > likelihood factors (distance) per key found is allocated based on distance > > (0 == most likely, > 0 less likely the greater the value). each press is > > done this way EXCEPT if u hold for 0.25 sec then drag to select a key > > explicitly in zoom mode - then the ONLY key available for that word slot is > > that letter selected given a distance of 0. as you type all permutations of > > letters are searched and put into a list - with each permutation given a > > distance metric based on the letters used (simply addition of the > > distances). now this is combined with the dictionary's frequency metric > > (multiplied by an inverse) so the more likely the word is to be used the > > lower its distance becomes. words are sorted from most to least likely > > based on this metric then listed with most likely in the middle of the > > list, leas likely to the left/right ends - which you may not see. the > > vertical list lists all matches from most to least likely (top to bottom) > > with 1 exception - EXACTLY what u typed it as the top. it absolutely has a > > fairly good idea of likelihood of error and likelihood of usage of a word > > etc. etc. > > > > eg: > > > > Press | Guess+dist > > e e+0 w+1 r+2 d+2 s+1 > > r r+0 t+1 e+2 f+1 g+2 d+3 > > k k+0 l+1 o+2 i+3 j+3 > > d d+0 f+1 s+1 e+1 c+1 r+2 w+2 > > > > so "erkd" has distance 0 = but its not a word in the dictionary at all, so > > thrown out. "rwkd" has distance 1, but not a word, "srkd" same, "etkd", > > "efkd", "erld", etc. etc. > > > > in the end it produces a list where most likely "world" ends up the word > > with other options too - and this is a much simplified list. mostly the list > > for candidate letters per input letter is about 10-12 letters. so u have > > 12*12*12*12 permutations for a 4 letter word - of which a fraction of that > > space is legitimate words. each permutation has a likelihood value based on > > press distance and on frequency of usage of that word in language in > > general in the dictionary. > > > > mind you - i AM talking about illume's keyboard, its algorithms as is in the > > image i built. if you use something else i cannot comment as it's something > > else. > > > >> (relatively low) and instead appears to look for the word with the closest > >> minimum edit distance to the user's input. This is nuts. I have never - > > > > it's not - as the edit distance is the likelihood of error. you likely press > > the key you want - or near it. thus keys near where you pressed are more > > likely than those further away. to limit search distance only up to a > > certain distance is searched. chances are that you do this: > > > > fingerprint: > > ___ > > /~~~\ > > |~~~| > > |~~~| > > \x/ > > " > > > > where "x" is the pressure point reported on the touchscreen. the only info > > the touchscreen reports is the pressure point - nothing else. you think u > > press somewhere else, but don't. you know what u pressed bu what key "pops > > up" that lets u know pretty well how good your pressing of the screen is. > > this is just a hardware limit of a resistive touchscreen. the point of > > greatest pressure is used - not the middle point of the area in which skin > > contacts the screen. get the gpe-sketchbook and try press with the flat of > > your finger and see just of far off your press point is. it may surprise > > you. > > > > as i said - it does have all the model and code and even data to do proper > > correction based on many factors. i do NOT have a dictionary with frequency > > info for all of english - there is a "small" english dict (5000 words) with > > some frequency info in it i managed to gather, but its very small. > > > > if you don't believe me - read the code, or do better. patches accepted, > > but i think the problem is just that the dictionary has no frequency info > > by default (a matter of simple lack of data) or how you press the screen. i > > suggest you pay close attention to how you type and see. yes the "black > > word" (in the black box) may not be always the word u want - but its most > > often that word or a word right next to it - as you use it it will learn. > > if you are using it for non-english stuff then you need a different > > dictionary. > > > >> literally - gotten the word I typed in. In the common use case, of a user > >> who enters a correct word, it invariably get it wrong. > >> > >> Understanding what it's doing doesn't make it less of a nuisance. > > > > it does have concept of frequency orf words. i just dont have any DATA for > > that. the dict format handles is: > > word1 > > word2 > > word3 > > > > OR > > word1 20 > > word2 434 > > word3 1 > > > > etc. > > look at the personal dict file. ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/personal.dic > > > > it saves usage frequency. this affects lookup likelihood. btw - for me it > > gets the word most of the time or the word is not the most likely but at > > least listed as one of the most likely. use it for a bit and it learns and > > gets better. if you wish to generate a dictionary with frequency info - > > please do so! i made it really easy. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From brenda_wang at openmoko.com Thu Oct 2 11:54:03 2008 From: brenda_wang at openmoko.com (BrendaWang) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:54:03 +0800 Subject: Google analytic records of September Message-ID: <48E49A3B.6060100@openmoko.com> Dear all: Here is the google analytic records of September: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wiki_statistic_numbers#September, 2008 Feel free to let me know , if I missed anything you want to know. Brenda From mokowatch at projektenterprises.com Thu Oct 2 12:04:30 2008 From: mokowatch at projektenterprises.com (Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:04:30 -0700 Subject: gsmhandset state file to test In-Reply-To: <1222859306.10429.283.camel@peregrintux> References: <1222859306.10429.283.camel@peregrintux> Message-ID: <48E49CAE.7020803@projektenterprises.com> David Samblas wrote: > Hi there on of our colleges[1] of the spanish list has provided us with > an gsmhanset state file that "solves" low volume on call reciver , I > have barelly tested it alone with a phone en each ear :). I will test it > further along the day and post the results, any one else willing to try > is wellcome to do it. > > from neo or ssh console > cd /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ > mv gsmhandset.state gsmhandset.state.original > wget http://n2.nabble.com/attachment/1129707/0/gsmhandset.state > > [1]The original post > http://n2.nabble.com/-Fwd%3A-eco-y-audio--tc1129707ef1958.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > People aren't having any problems hearing me with this state file but I can't hear anything on the already quiet speaker. -Shawn From tobias.kuendig at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 12:11:02 2008 From: tobias.kuendig at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tobias_K=FCndig?=) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:11:02 +0200 Subject: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released! In-Reply-To: References: <48DCB3E0.3000209@trolltech.com> <48E270B2.9050300@trolltech.com> <48E2C0F0.50608@trolltech.com> Message-ID: It's out! http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/ On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 02:51, "Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o)" wrote: > Lorn Potter wrote: > > Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote: > >> Cool... Btw I've seen that there are also some commercial (premium) > >> modules that could be integrated with Qtopia, also if they're not open > >> source. Well, will be there a way to get the torch mobile browser, for > >> example? > > > > This is the full functionality Iris web browser. This was not developed > by Qt Software. There is a > > simple example web browser in the qtextended sources. You would have to > contact the premium module > > companies to find out if they are releasing a version for the Neo. > > > > None of the 'premium' modules were developed by Qt Software. Qt Extended > is fully dual licensed. > > Yeah, I knew that but the company which has developed Iris said to > another user that the browser is available just for Trolltech/Nokia and > not for all users... Can you confirm this or maybe there's a way to get it? > > -- > Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux > http://www.3v1n0.net/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/45ebb816/attachment.htm From atilla.filiz at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 12:34:16 2008 From: atilla.filiz at gmail.com (Atilla Filiz) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:34:16 +0200 Subject: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released! In-Reply-To: References: <48DCB3E0.3000209@trolltech.com> <48E270B2.9050300@trolltech.com> <48E2C0F0.50608@trolltech.com> Message-ID: <6016f9080810020334m73fb464m3325d60a1a82e384@mail.gmail.com> Stability and battery life are my primary concernn. If it is stable enough to be a primary phone and survive for 60+ hours, i'm definitely going for it. On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Tobias K?ndig wrote: > It's out! > > http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/ > > > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 02:51, "Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o)" wrote: > >> Lorn Potter wrote: >> > Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote: >> >> Cool... Btw I've seen that there are also some commercial (premium) >> >> modules that could be integrated with Qtopia, also if they're not open >> >> source. Well, will be there a way to get the torch mobile browser, for >> >> example? >> > >> > This is the full functionality Iris web browser. This was not developed >> by Qt Software. There is a >> > simple example web browser in the qtextended sources. You would have to >> contact the premium module >> > companies to find out if they are releasing a version for the Neo. >> > >> > None of the 'premium' modules were developed by Qt Software. Qt Extended >> is fully dual licensed. >> >> Yeah, I knew that but the company which has developed Iris said to >> another user that the browser is available just for Trolltech/Nokia and >> not for all users... Can you confirm this or maybe there's a way to get >> it? >> >> -- >> Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux >> http://www.3v1n0.net/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- --------------------------------------------------------- Bu mesaj UTF-8 ile kodlanm??t?r --------------------------------------------------------- Atilla Filiz Technische Universiteit Eindhoven Embedded Systems, Master's Programme -------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/2836cea7/attachment.htm From b0ef at esben-stien.name Thu Oct 2 14:56:52 2008 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:56:52 +0200 Subject: voip on Debian In-Reply-To: <1220693338983-842903.post@n2.nabble.com> (TL Mieszkowski's message of "Sat, 6 Sep 2008 02:28:58 -0700 (PDT)") References: <1220693338983-842903.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <87zllnm9yj.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> TL Mieszkowski writes: > asterisk will make an excellent voip backend for the neo Asterisk is dead. Long live freeswitch. Didn't you get the memo?;) -- Esben Stien is b0ef at e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From russellh at ysmail.net Thu Oct 2 13:03:03 2008 From: russellh at ysmail.net (Russell Hay) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:03:03 +0100 Subject: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released! In-Reply-To: <6016f9080810020334m73fb464m3325d60a1a82e384@mail.gmail.com> References: <48E270B2.9050300@trolltech.com> <48E2C0F0.50608@trolltech.com> <6016f9080810020334m73fb464m3325d60a1a82e384@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: what the link to a kernel image for it? 2008/10/2 Atilla Filiz > Stability and battery life are my primary concernn. If it is stable enough > to be a primary phone and survive for 60+ hours, i'm definitely going for > it. > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Tobias K?ndig wrote: > >> It's out! >> >> http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/ >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 02:51, "Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o)" wrote: >> >>> Lorn Potter wrote: >>> > Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote: >>> >> Cool... Btw I've seen that there are also some commercial (premium) >>> >> modules that could be integrated with Qtopia, also if they're not open >>> >> source. Well, will be there a way to get the torch mobile browser, for >>> >> example? >>> > >>> > This is the full functionality Iris web browser. This was not developed >>> by Qt Software. There is a >>> > simple example web browser in the qtextended sources. You would have to >>> contact the premium module >>> > companies to find out if they are releasing a version for the Neo. >>> > >>> > None of the 'premium' modules were developed by Qt Software. Qt >>> Extended is fully dual licensed. >>> >>> Yeah, I knew that but the company which has developed Iris said to >>> another user that the browser is available just for Trolltech/Nokia and >>> not for all users... Can you confirm this or maybe there's a way to get >>> it? >>> >>> -- >>> Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux >>> http://www.3v1n0.net/ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Openmoko community mailing list >>> community at lists.openmoko.org >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------- > Bu mesaj UTF-8 ile kodlanm??t?r > --------------------------------------------------------- > Atilla Filiz > Technische Universiteit Eindhoven > Embedded Systems, Master's Programme > -------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- Russ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/20e79336/attachment.htm From neiljerram at googlemail.com Thu Oct 2 13:04:35 2008 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:04:35 +0100 Subject: [debian] going to install - hints? In-Reply-To: <18db98c80810020207y79dbbd8cj3223f1679a52c176@mail.gmail.com> References: <18db98c80810020207y79dbbd8cj3223f1679a52c176@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49dd78620810020404v54d77e1cs86726d2625fb6778@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/2 Davide Scaini : > Hi, > in these days i'm going to install debian. > Do you have any hints before starting to have a nice installation? My hint: first get a bigger uSD card than the 0.5Gb that comes with the FR. Joachim's install takes around 450Mb, which leaves very little room for further playing! Regards, Neil From dsamblasomcommunity at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 13:11:07 2008 From: dsamblasomcommunity at gmail.com (David Samblas) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:11:07 +0200 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1222945868.20957.0.camel@peregrintux> El jue, 02-10-2008 a las 03:18 +0200, "Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o)" escribi?: > In the enlightenment archives there's a new Rasterman image: > - openmoko-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20080929-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 [1] > It looks so cool with the new illume theme [2] [3] [4] [5] [6], but > practically it has no telephony related software installed in since it > seems a simple OE built with these scripts [7], so (I figure) that > you're free to put in both the FSO and/or the Om2008.8 stack, just > install the needed packages! Any way to doing this inverted? from a already build 2008.9 stack add this beautifull front end? > > Bye. > > > [1] http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/ > [2] http://forum.telefoninux.org/index.php/topic,533.0/topicseen.html > [3] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-01.ogg > [4] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-02.ogg > [5] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-03.ogg > [6] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-04.ogg > [7] http://www.rasterman.com/files/oe-setup.tar.gz > From alastair at truebox.co.uk Thu Oct 2 13:11:34 2008 From: alastair at truebox.co.uk (Alastair Johnson) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:11:34 +0100 Subject: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates In-Reply-To: <200809191146.58873.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> References: <48D1DF8D.4060109@paradise.net.nz> <48D312B7.4080306@openmoko.org> <200809191146.58873.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <48E4AC66.2060803@truebox.co.uk> Al Johnson wrote: > On Friday 19 September 2008, Michael Shiloh wrote: >> Denis Galv?o wrote: >>> On 18/09/2008, at 01:56, Adam Bogacki wrote: >>>> I like the concept and would like to volunteer to test a prototype in >>>> New Zealand conditions. >>> For sure Adam. >>> >>> Like Michael said, we should start something in the wiki. >>> >>> I was looking for something similar and found this: >>> http://www.sonimtech.com/ >>> >>> This is what Im looking for, at least as a water proof case. >>> >>> Is this possible to use the actual GTA_02 hardware version to do: >>> - Compass ? >>> - Altimeter ? >>> >>> How should be the best way to have this information on the phone? >>> Using an external hardware module? >> I'm thinking we need to make a generic expandable water proof (or at >> least harsh conditions proof) case for the FR. > > Have a look at otterbox.com - their 1900 and 3600 cases may be what you're > looking for. I'm going to ask them about custom cases for the openmoko, > either as something to clamp around as they do with their other > phone-specific cases, or as a total case replacement. Otterbox would consider making a custom case if a sufficiently large order is placed by Openmoko rather than a third party. As a rough guide this is probably thousands rather than tens of thousands. Is there enough demand? We have the outdoor contingent, but that may not be enough. I imagine the Sahana disaster management project [1] would find the phones even more useful if they were more robust, as perhaps would the archaeologists [2][3]. A device that can survive the warehouse or delivery van might find industrial markets, and one that can be dunked in disinfectant or steam cleaned might be useful in a medical environment. [1] http://www.sahana.lk/ [2] http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/category/OLPA [3] http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/ From openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net Thu Oct 2 13:14:15 2008 From: openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net (Gothnet) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 04:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [debian] going to install - hints? In-Reply-To: <18db98c80810020207y79dbbd8cj3223f1679a52c176@mail.gmail.com> References: <18db98c80810020207y79dbbd8cj3223f1679a52c176@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222946055184-1133623.post@n2.nabble.com> Davide Scaini wrote: > > Do you have any hints before starting to have a nice installation? > Sorry for the delay, but better late than never! go here - https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_Freerunner And update u-boot by going to the section marked "Flashing the boot loader to the NAND". You'll want this because u-boot has improved and because the older u-boot couldn't boot the kernel from ext2. You may also want to get a program called neocon - it allows you to halt the phone in the bootloader phase, giving you long to kick off dfu-util to update uboot. Then just follow the wiki - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner It took me a couple of hours but all worked pretty well. I gave up on debian pretty quickly because I stopped getting any GSM signal/registration after a while. I liked the zhone interface though, and it seemed more responsive. Also having the full apt repository is amazing. It's now FDOM for me, though as and when debian/FSO is known to be more stable I might switch again. I like debian, and the size of the community ensures that information is easy to find and community support done well. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--going-to-install---hints--tp1133446p1133623.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From cedric.berger74 at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 14:04:54 2008 From: cedric.berger74 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E9dric_Berger?=) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:04:54 +0200 Subject: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released! In-Reply-To: References: <48E270B2.9050300@trolltech.com> <48E2C0F0.50608@trolltech.com> <6016f9080810020334m73fb464m3325d60a1a82e384@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 13:03, Russell Hay wrote: > > what the link to a kernel image for it? > >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Tobias K?ndig wrote: >> >>> It's out! >>> >>> http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/ >>> >>> And how can we keep our data ? Can we keep current /home, or just qtopia database, or do we have to migrate it manually ? what about the root file system in this release ? Same as previous, or aligned on 2008.9 ? Personnaly I currently use previous Qtopia on top of 2008.8 -updated to test releases-. Is there something special to do to add qtopia to a standard 2008.9 distribution (maybe at least without X11 qtopia packages) ? Lorn said that qtopia 4.4 should allow having an .opk to install/upgrade... is it available ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/a464f447/attachment.htm From dscaini at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 14:30:33 2008 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:30:33 +0200 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <1222945868.20957.0.camel@peregrintux> References: <1222945868.20957.0.camel@peregrintux> Message-ID: <18db98c80810020530k7c1a6bcbi7c2a42ab25939cd@mail.gmail.com> "Any way to doing this inverted? from a already build 2008.9 stack add this beautifull front end?" i'm interested in this last option... ;-) Rasterman "illume" us! d On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:11 PM, David Samblas wrote: > El jue, 02-10-2008 a las 03:18 +0200, "Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o)" > escribi?: > > In the enlightenment archives there's a new Rasterman image: > > - openmoko-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20080929-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 [1] > > It looks so cool with the new illume theme [2] [3] [4] [5] [6], but > > practically it has no telephony related software installed in since it > > seems a simple OE built with these scripts [7], so (I figure) that > > you're free to put in both the FSO and/or the Om2008.8 stack, just > > install the needed packages! > Any way to doing this inverted? from a already build 2008.9 stack add > this beautifull front end? > > > > Bye. > > > > > > [1] http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/ > > [2] http://forum.telefoninux.org/index.php/topic,533.0/topicseen.html > > [3] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-01.ogg > > [4] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-02.ogg > > [5] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-03.ogg > > [6] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-04.ogg > > [7] http://www.rasterman.com/files/oe-setup.tar.gz > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/086e001f/attachment.htm From dscaini at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 14:31:22 2008 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:31:22 +0200 Subject: voip on Debian In-Reply-To: <87zllnm9yj.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> References: <1220693338983-842903.post@n2.nabble.com> <87zllnm9yj.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <18db98c80810020531o21e7d7dby4f2cae04973fd84@mail.gmail.com> Ekiga? did you tryed that on debian at fr? so curious! d On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Esben Stien wrote: > TL Mieszkowski writes: > > > asterisk will make an excellent voip backend for the neo > > Asterisk is dead. Long live freeswitch. > > Didn't you get the memo?;) > > -- > Esben Stien is b0ef at e s a > http://www. s t n m > irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact > sip:b0ef@ e e > jid:b0ef@ n n > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/91d77fdc/attachment.htm From cedric.berger74 at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 14:04:54 2008 From: cedric.berger74 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E9dric_Berger?=) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:04:54 +0200 Subject: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released! In-Reply-To: References: <48E270B2.9050300@trolltech.com> <48E2C0F0.50608@trolltech.com> <6016f9080810020334m73fb464m3325d60a1a82e384@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 13:03, Russell Hay wrote: > > what the link to a kernel image for it? > >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Tobias K?ndig wrote: >> >>> It's out! >>> >>> http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/ >>> >>> And how can we keep our data ? Can we keep current /home, or just qtopia database, or do we have to migrate it manually ? what about the root file system in this release ? Same as previous, or aligned on 2008.9 ? Personnaly I currently use previous Qtopia on top of 2008.8 -updated to test releases-. Is there something special to do to add qtopia to a standard 2008.9 distribution (maybe at least without X11 qtopia packages) ? Lorn said that qtopia 4.4 should allow having an .opk to install/upgrade... is it available ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/a464f447/attachment-0001.htm From dscaini at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 14:40:06 2008 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:40:06 +0200 Subject: [debian] going to install - hints? In-Reply-To: <49dd78620810020404v54d77e1cs86726d2625fb6778@mail.gmail.com> References: <18db98c80810020207y79dbbd8cj3223f1679a52c176@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620810020404v54d77e1cs86726d2625fb6778@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18db98c80810020540x569b3381k63e4a9256ae75f76@mail.gmail.com> ok i tought it was even bigger! I was thinking to buy a 8gb sd card, but maybe 4gb are enough! Thanks and what about the boot speed-up script: is that useful? thanks for your hints! d On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Neil Jerram wrote: > 2008/10/2 Davide Scaini : > > Hi, > > in these days i'm going to install debian. > > Do you have any hints before starting to have a nice installation? > > My hint: first get a bigger uSD card than the 0.5Gb that comes with > the FR. Joachim's install takes around 450Mb, which leaves very > little room for further playing! > > Regards, > Neil > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/af21b9fa/attachment.htm From tobias.kuendig at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 14:42:03 2008 From: tobias.kuendig at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?Tobias_K=FCndig?=) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:42:03 +0200 Subject: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released! In-Reply-To: References: <48E270B2.9050300@trolltech.com> <48E2C0F0.50608@trolltech.com> <6016f9080810020334m73fb464m3325d60a1a82e384@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E4C19B.5020002@gmail.com> Just use the one from 4.3.3-snapshot: http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=82 Russell Hay wrote: > > what the link to a kernel image for it? > > 2008/10/2 Atilla Filiz > > > Stability and battery life are my primary concernn. If it is > stable enough to be a primary phone and survive for 60+ hours, i'm > definitely going for it. > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Tobias K?ndig > > wrote: > > It's out! > > http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/ > > > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 02:51, "Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o)" > > wrote: > > Lorn Potter wrote: > > Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote: > >> Cool... Btw I've seen that there are also some > commercial (premium) > >> modules that could be integrated with Qtopia, also if > they're not open > >> source. Well, will be there a way to get the torch > mobile browser, for > >> example? > > > > This is the full functionality Iris web browser. This > was not developed by Qt Software. There is a > > simple example web browser in the qtextended sources. > You would have to contact the premium module > > companies to find out if they are releasing a version > for the Neo. > > > > None of the 'premium' modules were developed by Qt > Software. Qt Extended is fully dual licensed. > > Yeah, I knew that but the company which has developed Iris > said to > another user that the browser is available just for > Trolltech/Nokia and > not for all users... Can you confirm this or maybe there's > a way to get it? > > -- > Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux > http://www.3v1n0.net/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------- > Bu mesaj UTF-8 ile kodlanm??t?r > --------------------------------------------------------- > Atilla Filiz > Technische Universiteit Eindhoven > Embedded Systems, Master's Programme > -------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > -- > Russ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From dscaini at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 14:31:22 2008 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:31:22 +0200 Subject: voip on Debian In-Reply-To: <87zllnm9yj.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> References: <1220693338983-842903.post@n2.nabble.com> <87zllnm9yj.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <18db98c80810020531o21e7d7dby4f2cae04973fd84@mail.gmail.com> Ekiga? did you tryed that on debian at fr? so curious! d On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Esben Stien wrote: > TL Mieszkowski writes: > > > asterisk will make an excellent voip backend for the neo > > Asterisk is dead. Long live freeswitch. > > Didn't you get the memo?;) > > -- > Esben Stien is b0ef at e s a > http://www. s t n m > irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact > sip:b0ef@ e e > jid:b0ef@ n n > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/91d77fdc/attachment-0001.htm From dscaini at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 14:30:33 2008 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:30:33 +0200 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <1222945868.20957.0.camel@peregrintux> References: <1222945868.20957.0.camel@peregrintux> Message-ID: <18db98c80810020530k7c1a6bcbi7c2a42ab25939cd@mail.gmail.com> "Any way to doing this inverted? from a already build 2008.9 stack add this beautifull front end?" i'm interested in this last option... ;-) Rasterman "illume" us! d On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:11 PM, David Samblas wrote: > El jue, 02-10-2008 a las 03:18 +0200, "Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o)" > escribi?: > > In the enlightenment archives there's a new Rasterman image: > > - openmoko-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20080929-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 [1] > > It looks so cool with the new illume theme [2] [3] [4] [5] [6], but > > practically it has no telephony related software installed in since it > > seems a simple OE built with these scripts [7], so (I figure) that > > you're free to put in both the FSO and/or the Om2008.8 stack, just > > install the needed packages! > Any way to doing this inverted? from a already build 2008.9 stack add > this beautifull front end? > > > > Bye. > > > > > > [1] http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/ > > [2] http://forum.telefoninux.org/index.php/topic,533.0/topicseen.html > > [3] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-01.ogg > > [4] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-02.ogg > > [5] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-03.ogg > > [6] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-04.ogg > > [7] http://www.rasterman.com/files/oe-setup.tar.gz > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/086e001f/attachment-0001.htm From dscaini at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 14:40:06 2008 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:40:06 +0200 Subject: [debian] going to install - hints? In-Reply-To: <49dd78620810020404v54d77e1cs86726d2625fb6778@mail.gmail.com> References: <18db98c80810020207y79dbbd8cj3223f1679a52c176@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620810020404v54d77e1cs86726d2625fb6778@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18db98c80810020540x569b3381k63e4a9256ae75f76@mail.gmail.com> ok i tought it was even bigger! I was thinking to buy a 8gb sd card, but maybe 4gb are enough! Thanks and what about the boot speed-up script: is that useful? thanks for your hints! d On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Neil Jerram wrote: > 2008/10/2 Davide Scaini : > > Hi, > > in these days i'm going to install debian. > > Do you have any hints before starting to have a nice installation? > > My hint: first get a bigger uSD card than the 0.5Gb that comes with > the FR. Joachim's install takes around 450Mb, which leaves very > little room for further playing! > > Regards, > Neil > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/af21b9fa/attachment-0001.htm From tobias.kuendig at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 14:42:03 2008 From: tobias.kuendig at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?Tobias_K=FCndig?=) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:42:03 +0200 Subject: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released! In-Reply-To: References: <48E270B2.9050300@trolltech.com> <48E2C0F0.50608@trolltech.com> <6016f9080810020334m73fb464m3325d60a1a82e384@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E4C19B.5020002@gmail.com> Just use the one from 4.3.3-snapshot: http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=82 Russell Hay wrote: > > what the link to a kernel image for it? > > 2008/10/2 Atilla Filiz > > > Stability and battery life are my primary concernn. If it is > stable enough to be a primary phone and survive for 60+ hours, i'm > definitely going for it. > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Tobias K?ndig > > wrote: > > It's out! > > http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/ > > > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 02:51, "Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o)" > > wrote: > > Lorn Potter wrote: > > Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote: > >> Cool... Btw I've seen that there are also some > commercial (premium) > >> modules that could be integrated with Qtopia, also if > they're not open > >> source. Well, will be there a way to get the torch > mobile browser, for > >> example? > > > > This is the full functionality Iris web browser. This > was not developed by Qt Software. There is a > > simple example web browser in the qtextended sources. > You would have to contact the premium module > > companies to find out if they are releasing a version > for the Neo. > > > > None of the 'premium' modules were developed by Qt > Software. Qt Extended is fully dual licensed. > > Yeah, I knew that but the company which has developed Iris > said to > another user that the browser is available just for > Trolltech/Nokia and > not for all users... Can you confirm this or maybe there's > a way to get it? > > -- > Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux > http://www.3v1n0.net/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------- > Bu mesaj UTF-8 ile kodlanm??t?r > --------------------------------------------------------- > Atilla Filiz > Technische Universiteit Eindhoven > Embedded Systems, Master's Programme > -------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > -- > Russ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From dscaini at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 14:30:33 2008 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:30:33 +0200 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <1222945868.20957.0.camel@peregrintux> References: <1222945868.20957.0.camel@peregrintux> Message-ID: <18db98c80810020530k7c1a6bcbi7c2a42ab25939cd@mail.gmail.com> "Any way to doing this inverted? from a already build 2008.9 stack add this beautifull front end?" i'm interested in this last option... ;-) Rasterman "illume" us! d On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:11 PM, David Samblas wrote: > El jue, 02-10-2008 a las 03:18 +0200, "Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o)" > escribi?: > > In the enlightenment archives there's a new Rasterman image: > > - openmoko-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20080929-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 [1] > > It looks so cool with the new illume theme [2] [3] [4] [5] [6], but > > practically it has no telephony related software installed in since it > > seems a simple OE built with these scripts [7], so (I figure) that > > you're free to put in both the FSO and/or the Om2008.8 stack, just > > install the needed packages! > Any way to doing this inverted? from a already build 2008.9 stack add > this beautifull front end? > > > > Bye. > > > > > > [1] http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/ > > [2] http://forum.telefoninux.org/index.php/topic,533.0/topicseen.html > > [3] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-01.ogg > > [4] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-02.ogg > > [5] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-03.ogg > > [6] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-04.ogg > > [7] http://www.rasterman.com/files/oe-setup.tar.gz > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Long live freeswitch. > > Didn't you get the memo?;) > > -- > Esben Stien is b0ef at e s a > http://www. s t n m > irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact > sip:b0ef@ e e > jid:b0ef@ n n > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/91d77fdc/attachment-0002.htm From cedric.berger74 at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 14:04:54 2008 From: cedric.berger74 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E9dric_Berger?=) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:04:54 +0200 Subject: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released! In-Reply-To: References: <48E270B2.9050300@trolltech.com> <48E2C0F0.50608@trolltech.com> <6016f9080810020334m73fb464m3325d60a1a82e384@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 13:03, Russell Hay wrote: > > what the link to a kernel image for it? > >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Tobias K?ndig wrote: >> >>> It's out! >>> >>> http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/ >>> >>> And how can we keep our data ? Can we keep current /home, or just qtopia database, or do we have to migrate it manually ? what about the root file system in this release ? Same as previous, or aligned on 2008.9 ? Personnaly I currently use previous Qtopia on top of 2008.8 -updated to test releases-. Is there something special to do to add qtopia to a standard 2008.9 distribution (maybe at least without X11 qtopia packages) ? Lorn said that qtopia 4.4 should allow having an .opk to install/upgrade... is it available ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/a464f447/attachment-0002.htm From vales at gmx.de Thu Oct 2 15:19:30 2008 From: vales at gmx.de (vale) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 06:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable In-Reply-To: References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200810011035.12348.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> <3e29d8b00810010428v1385400cid0910c6b9ce55bfc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222953570078-1133869.post@n2.nabble.com> calm down, its a fact, that freerunners wlan is far away from optimum. try a wget shortly after doing ifup eth0 -> everything works try wget some minutes later (no suspend/resume in between) from same server -> no download, even if ping still works ifdown eth0, ifup eth0 -> wget works again same with opkg install, update, upgrade etc. under 2007.2, 2008.08, debian ... -> wlan drivers not working well i think this should also be a high priority aspect to work on for Openmoko. bye vale Stroller-2 wrote: > > > On 1 Oct 2008, at 12:28, Nishit Dave wrote: >> >> All this discussion does not help if you realize that even after >> placing the FR *next* to the blooming router, you get reported a >> signal strength of 65%. What does the hardware expect, building the >> router *inside* the FR? > > Nishit, > > The company that sold you your Freerunner offered you refund, already. > > I assumed that you would take this, leave the list and STOP FUCKING > WHINING. > > I guess this was too much for me to hope for, huh? > > Stroller. > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-2008.9--Wifi-very-unreliable-tp1128409p1133869.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nicola.mfb at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 15:21:42 2008 From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:21:42 +0200 Subject: How to build qt-extended? Message-ID: <359c5480810020621y1a92cbc8sc198253f6a44a481@mail.gmail.com> I'm trying to build qt-extended myself, but build process fails, anyone may help? This is what i did: cd /opt wget http://qtextended.org/downloads/neo/arm920t-eabi-ficgta01-toolchain.tgz tar xzvfC arm920t-eabi-ficgta01-toolchain.tgz / wget http://qtextended.org/downloads/source/qt-extended-opensource-src-4.4.1.tar.gz tar xvzf qt-extended-opensource-src-4.4.1.tar.gz mkdir build cd build export QTOPIA_DEPOT_PATH=/opt/qt-extended-4.4.1 $QTOPIA_DEPOT_PATH/configure -device neo it results in: ******************************************************************************* Configuring Qt Extended (expanded commandline): -using-device neo -ui-type mobile -dynamic-rotation -ssl -dbus -libamr -pictureflow -add-mediaengines cruxus -add-modules bluetooth -add-modules cell -add-modules connectivity -add-modules devtools -add-modules essentials -add-modules games -add-modules inputmethods -add-modules location -add-modules media -add-modules messaging -add-modules pim -add-modules pkgmanagement -add-modules telephony -add-modules ui -displaysize 480x640 -font dejavu_sans_condensed:10,12,13,16,28:50 -font dejavu_sans_condensed:13,14,15,16,20,21,23,32,36:75 -xplatform linux-neo-g++ -arch arm -languages en_US -prefix /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia -extra-qtopiacore-config -qt-mouse-tslib -sound-system alsa -mkconf -make /usr/bin/gmake -no-save-options -make /usr/bin/gmake -using-mkconf -no-save-options ******************************************************************************* This is the Qt Extended Open Source Edition. You are licensed to use this software under the terms of the GPL. Please see the file LICENSE.GPL for the licensing terms. Type 'yes' to accept this license offer. Type 'no' to decline this license offer. Do you accept this license agreement? yes Testing the system Qt: OK Qt Extended is using the following locations: Qt PREFIX = /usr Qt LIBRARIES = /usr/lib/qt4 Qt BINARIES = /usr/bin Qt HEADERS = /usr/include/qt4 Qt Embedded SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1/qtopiacore/qt Qt Embedded BUILD tree = /opt/build/qtopiacore/target Qt Extended SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1 Qt Extended BUILD tree = /opt/build Qt Extended SDK tree = /opt/build/sdk Checking the compiler (host): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian) Checking the compiler (target): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian) Bootstrap QBuild: ............................... OK Testing QBuild: OK Testing for ALSA: OK Testing Qt Extended Media Engines: cruxus Checking QMAKE_RPATH: -Wl,-rpath-link, Testing for OpenSSL: FAIL ERROR: You requested -ssl but it was disabled. gmake: *** [src/build/mkconf/configure] Error 1 adding -no-ssl switch to configure line: ******************************************************************************* Configuring Qt Extended (expanded commandline): -using-device neo -ui-type mobile -dynamic-rotation -ssl -dbus -libamr -pictureflow -add-mediaengines cruxus -add-modules bluetooth -add-modules cell -add-modules connectivity -add-modules devtools -add-modules essentials -add-modules games -add-modules inputmethods -add-modules location -add-modules media -add-modules messaging -add-modules pim -add-modules pkgmanagement -add-modules telephony -add-modules ui -displaysize 480x640 -font dejavu_sans_condensed:10,12,13,16,28:50 -font dejavu_sans_condensed:13,14,15,16,20,21,23,32,36:75 -xplatform linux-neo-g++ -arch arm -languages en_US -prefix /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia -extra-qtopiacore-config -qt-mouse-tslib -sound-system alsa -no-ssl -mkconf -make /usr/bin/gmake -no-save-options -make /usr/bin/gmake -using-mkconf -no-save-options ******************************************************************************* This is the Qt Extended Open Source Edition. You are licensed to use this software under the terms of the GPL. Please see the file LICENSE.GPL for the licensing terms. Type 'yes' to accept this license offer. Type 'no' to decline this license offer. Do you accept this license agreement? yes Testing the system Qt: OK Qt Extended is using the following locations: Qt PREFIX = /usr Qt LIBRARIES = /usr/lib/qt4 Qt BINARIES = /usr/bin Qt HEADERS = /usr/include/qt4 Qt Embedded SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1/qtopiacore/qt Qt Embedded BUILD tree = /opt/build/qtopiacore/target Qt Extended SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1 Qt Extended BUILD tree = /opt/build Qt Extended SDK tree = /opt/build/sdk Checking the compiler (host): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian) Checking the compiler (target): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian) Bootstrap QBuild: ............................... OK Testing QBuild: OK Testing for ALSA: OK Testing Qt Extended Media Engines: cruxus Checking QMAKE_RPATH: -Wl,-rpath-link, Testing for dynamic rotation: OK Testing DBUS: OK Checking for PAGE_SIZE and PAGE_MASK: MISSING WARNING: QSharedMemoryCache will not throw away unused pages Testing for strict warning flags your compiler accepts: -Wall -Woverloaded-virtual Testing for V4L2: OK Testing for prctl(): OK Testing for semtimedop: OK Testing for __malloc_hook: OK Running configure (qtopiacore)... /opt/build/src/build/bin/pkgconfig:/opt/toolchains/arm920t-eabi/bin:/usr/kde/3.5/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.1.2:/usr/qt/3/bin:/usr/games/bin:/opt/vmware/server/bin:/opt/vmware/server/console/bin configure -embedded arm -platform linux-g++ -xplatform /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1/devices/neo/mkspecs/qws/linux-neo-g++ -prefix /opt/build/sdk/qtopiacore/target -make src -make tools -no-stl -no-exceptions -no-xmlpatterns -no-qt3support -no-glib -no-cups -no-dbus -no-accessibility -nomake examples -nomake demos -nomake docs -DQT_QWS_DISABLE_FLUSHCLIPPING -confirm-license -depths 8,16,18,24,32 -qconfig qpe -DQT_NO_PLUGIN_CHECK -DQT_EXTERNAL_SOUND_SERVER -DQT_QWS_KEYEVENT_SINGLECLIENT -force-pkg-config -no-sql-ibase -no-sql-mysql -no-sql-odbc -no-sql-psql -no-sql-sqlite -no-sql-sqlite2 -qt-sql-sqlite -release -no-gfx-qvfb -no-mouse-qvfb -no-kbd-qvfb -qt-gif -DMEDIA_SERVER -no-separate-debug-info -no-openssl -DQT_KEYPAD_NAVIGATION -dbus -qt-gfx-transformed -DQT_QWS_DYNAMIC_TRANSFORMATION -DQT_QWS_CLIENTBLIT -little-endian -qt-mouse-tslib Preparing build tree... You are licensed to use this software under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL) versions 2 or 3. Creating qmake. Please wait... Building on: linux-g++ Building for: /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1/devices/neo/mkspecs/qws/linux-neo-g++ Architecture: arm Host architecture: i386 Build ............... src tools libs Configuration ....... cross_compile release shared dll embedded largefile precompile_header exceptions_off embedded reduce_exports ipv6 clock-gettime clock-monotonic mremap getaddrinfo ipv6ifname getifaddrs inotify png gif freetype zlib dbus svg webkit release Debug ............... no Qt 3 compatibility .. no QtDBus module ....... yes (run-time) QtXmlPatterns module no Phonon module ....... no SVG module .......... yes WebKit module ....... yes WebKit in Assistant no STL support ......... no PCH support ......... yes MMX/3DNOW/SSE/SSE2.. no/no/no/no iWMMXt support ...... no IPv6 support ........ yes IPv6 ifname support . yes getaddrinfo support . yes getifaddrs support .. yes Accessibility ....... no NIS support ......... no CUPS support ........ no Iconv support ....... no Glib support ........ no GStreamer support ... no Large File support .. yes GIF support ......... yes TIFF support ........ plugin (qt) JPEG support ........ plugin (qt) PNG support ......... yes (qt) MNG support ......... plugin (qt) zlib support ........ yes Embedded support .... arm Freetype2 support ... auto (yes) Graphics (qt) ....... linuxfb multiscreen transformed Graphics (plugin) ... Decorations (qt) .... styled windows default Decorations (plugin) Keyboard driver (qt). tty Keyboard driver (plugin) Mouse driver (qt) ... pc linuxtp tslib Mouse driver (plugin) OpenGL support ...... no SQLite support ...... qt (qt) OpenSSL support ..... no Finding project files. Please wait... 196 projects found. Creating makefiles. Please wait... WARNING: Failure to find: ../skin.cpp WARNING: Failure to find: ../skin.h Testing for Qt Embedded dbus support: OK Testing for bluetooth: OK Finding Projects... Writing 446 Makefiles... Qt Extended has been configured. You can build Qt Extended by running bin/qbuild. If you run bin/qbuild image, this will setup a runnable image in /opt/build/image. As configured, Qt Extended MUST be run from /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia. If this is not where you intend to run Qt Extended from you should set the location by running configure -prefix /opt/Qtopia. Now i did ./bin/qbuild and got immediately: Qtopia has been built. You must now install Qtopia by running 'bin/qbuild image'. This will put the files required to run Qtopia into the image: /opt/build/image Nothing to be done for "default But it was not compiled! what did i miss? Nicola -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/cd711b82/attachment.htm From awwaiid at thelackthereof.org Thu Oct 2 15:27:59 2008 From: awwaiid at thelackthereof.org (Brock) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:27:59 -0400 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <10073143.2451222887959584.JavaMail.root@collab> References: <48E388B1.4000206@enable.cl> <10073143.2451222887959584.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: <20081002132759.GE27721@thelackthereof.org> On 2008.10.01.13.05, Vince M. Clark wrote: | I've tried multiple times with no success. How about removing all SD and SIM cards, does that help? --Brock From cedric.berger74 at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 15:31:15 2008 From: cedric.berger74 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E9dric_Berger?=) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:31:15 +0200 Subject: How to build qt-extended? In-Reply-To: <359c5480810020621y1a92cbc8sc198253f6a44a481@mail.gmail.com> References: <359c5480810020621y1a92cbc8sc198253f6a44a481@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > > OpenSSL support ..... no > > Is the SSL support activated in the released image on qtextended.org ? I guess it is still needed for ie. encrypted IMAP ? From captain.deadly at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 15:31:31 2008 From: captain.deadly at gmail.com (Arigead) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:31:31 +0100 Subject: [2008.09][FSO] Programming interface to wifi Icon In-Reply-To: <53d5aa207fbef1c4fa1a793a214d4f2f@localhost> References: <48E37D7C.8030300@gmail.com> <53d5aa207fbef1c4fa1a793a214d4f2f@localhost> Message-ID: <48E4CD33.5020204@gmail.com> Joel Newkirk wrote: > On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:39:08 +0100, Arigead > wrote: > > >> Sorry Yes I would like to use the Icon on the top of the illume bar. I >> was thinking interfacing this to my daemon so regardless of app you can >> see the wifi status the same as you can see the GSM status at present. >> >> If anybody knows about "somewhat different" :-) Would this presently be >> set by Kernel code the Window Manager? >> > > It's part of the edje setup for the main screen, in illume.edj. (well, that > can differ - I've always installed illume-config and illume-config-illume) > You can think of the .edj file as a theme package of sorts, although it > abstracts more UI handling out of the program than traditional theming. In > OO fashion it separates all the user interaction into the edje file, with > the main application interacting via signals to change UI or respond to > user actions and triggers generated by the UI itself. > > You can set up in the .edj file to support changing icons triggered by > signals from 'outside', and emit signals when some UI interaction (IE, > click the icon) takes place. I'm interested in doing something similar > with USB, showing whether it's in host or device mode, networking vs mass > storage if device mode, sending or expecting power, forcing 500mA or 1000mA > charging, and ability to change all the above. > > The program edje_editor is great for taking a look at such features. It's > part of the E17 desktop setup, I've been playing with it in the developer > VM I'm working on. It takes the intact .edj file and extracts all the > configs, images, etc from it and gives you a nice WYSYWIG GUI editor. BTW > - I printed out the actual text config from illume.edj, it's about 100 > pages long... A simpler starting point to learn your way around .edj and > edje_editor is illume_init.edj, the startup theme. (second view of the > boots, with the green scanning back and forth instead of indicating percent > progress) It's quite easy to drop in a different background image, > redefine the animation, etc this way. > > (Now what we really need is a tool running ON the FR that decompiles the > main .edj file and lets us replace wallpaper, etc - basic customization, > not full-on UI redesign work) > > j > Joel you're a star. Thanks a million for your help on this. Your USB version sounds like a great one as well so let us know when you get that done. Be great to click the icon and get the options no fuss. It's the logical place for Info/Feedback/Options. From captain.deadly at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 15:38:36 2008 From: captain.deadly at gmail.com (Arigead) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:38:36 +0100 Subject: [2008.09][FSO] Programming interface to wifi Icon In-Reply-To: <20081002092647.4f2821a6.raster@rasterman.com> References: <48E37D7C.8030300@gmail.com> <53d5aa207fbef1c4fa1a793a214d4f2f@localhost> <20081002092647.4f2821a6.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <48E4CEDC.7070702@gmail.com> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:20:23 -0400 Joel Newkirk babbled: > > >> On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:39:08 +0100, Arigead >> wrote: >> > > i'm baffled. that bar wt the top is always visible - it's not part of your app > (and it only is invisible if your app goes fullsreen). note that the icon is > entirely part of the theme and may vary based on whatever theme you use. the > bar is part of the window manager and its contents are controlled by code > running in the wm process (either core or loadable modules). there are no > signals for pressing the icon published - it's internal and up to the gadget > code for that icon (in e terms it's a gadget). as its tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiny icon, > pressing it is not that useful and so does nothing. > > The illume-config menu is brought up from a tiiiiiiiiiiiiiny spanner Icon in the drop down menu. I don't see any difference but I'm not forcing anybody to use a particular method. I would agree that there are disadvantages to having the tiiiiiny icon used in this way especially if you've got fat fingers. On the other hand given that you've got the space for an icon there all the time why not use it to convey some useful info. Given the size of the screen you can't really expect big icons anyhow. Anyhow I'm just messing with an idea at the moment which may turn out to be a bad idea. It won't be my first but thanks a million for the information anyhow and maybe at some point I'll get this working. From russellh at ysmail.net Thu Oct 2 15:45:06 2008 From: russellh at ysmail.net (Russell Hay) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:45:06 +0100 Subject: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released! In-Reply-To: <48E4C19B.5020002@gmail.com> References: <48E270B2.9050300@trolltech.com> <48E2C0F0.50608@trolltech.com> <6016f9080810020334m73fb464m3325d60a1a82e384@mail.gmail.com> <48E4C19B.5020002@gmail.com> Message-ID: Actually - I used the one from the flash image; *Version:* 4.3.2 [image: Submitted Date] 2008/8/29 2008/10/2 Tobias K?ndig > Just use the one from 4.3.3-snapshot: > > http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=82 > > Russell Hay wrote: > > > > what the link to a kernel image for it? > > > > 2008/10/2 Atilla Filiz > > > > > > Stability and battery life are my primary concernn. If it is > > stable enough to be a primary phone and survive for 60+ hours, i'm > > definitely going for it. > > > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Tobias K?ndig > > > wrote: > > > > It's out! > > > > http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/ > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 02:51, "Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o)" > > > wrote: > > > > Lorn Potter wrote: > > > Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote: > > >> Cool... Btw I've seen that there are also some > > commercial (premium) > > >> modules that could be integrated with Qtopia, also if > > they're not open > > >> source. Well, will be there a way to get the torch > > mobile browser, for > > >> example? > > > > > > This is the full functionality Iris web browser. This > > was not developed by Qt Software. There is a > > > simple example web browser in the qtextended sources. > > You would have to contact the premium module > > > companies to find out if they are releasing a version > > for the Neo. > > > > > > None of the 'premium' modules were developed by Qt > > Software. Qt Extended is fully dual licensed. > > > > Yeah, I knew that but the company which has developed Iris > > said to > > another user that the browser is available just for > > Trolltech/Nokia and > > not for all users... Can you confirm this or maybe there's > > a way to get it? > > > > -- > > Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux > > http://www.3v1n0.net/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org community at lists.openmoko.org> > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Bu mesaj UTF-8 ile kodlanm??t?r > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Atilla Filiz > > Technische Universiteit Eindhoven > > Embedded Systems, Master's Programme > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Russ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Russ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think you'll be right. > > Sarton A good one is : - Hold down the aux key. - Put battery in. - Put usb in. - Hold down the power key. - Release aux key. - Wait for menu. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/b969867b/attachment.htm From sylar1991 at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 16:01:32 2008 From: sylar1991 at gmail.com (Thomas Bertani) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:01:32 +0200 Subject: [qtopia]how to rotate screen from the shell? Message-ID: <164c96680810020701h722971aar19c4367c764512ca@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I need to rotate the screen from the shell with a command. Anybody knows how to do that? Thanks in advance -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(10x) .... without any kind of hick-ups; and the interface does not show any kind of error: root at om-gta02:~# ifconfig eth0 eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:12:CF:8E:FC:5F inet addr:10.0.1.217 Bcast:10.0.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::212:cfff:fe8e:fc5f/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:285483 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:121870 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:431367301 (411.3 MiB) TX bytes:9439240 (9.0 MiB) root at om-gta02:~# iwlist eth0 scan eth0 Scan completed : Cell 01 - Address: 00:04:E2:A1:76:0B ESSID:"santaclara" Mode:Master Frequency:2.442 GHz (Channel 7) Quality=16/94 Signal level=-79 dBm Noise level=-95 dBm Encryption key:on Extra:bcn_int=100 Extra:wpa_ie=... i.e. Wifi for me it works fine now; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows From nicola.mfb at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 16:35:00 2008 From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:35:00 +0200 Subject: [FDOM] dfu-error -71 In-Reply-To: <7ea39d17.55510833.48de1c2f.9a1e@o2.pl> References: <7ea39d17.55510833.48de1c2f.9a1e@o2.pl> Message-ID: <359c5480810020735p57a0457bnbed781eb0fc1bb71@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/27 rhn > Hi > I've just tried to flash my freerunner with the newest FDOM and ran into a > problem with dfu-util. > Long story short, here's the console output: > I'm having this problem just now with qtopia, the first time i tried as normal user i got error 71, the second i tried as root and i got error 84 !?!? 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(10x) .... > > without any kind of hick-ups; > and the interface does not show any kind of error: > > root at om-gta02:~# ifconfig eth0 > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:12:CF:8E:FC:5F > inet addr:10.0.1.217 Bcast:10.0.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 > inet6 addr: fe80::212:cfff:fe8e:fc5f/64 Scope:Link > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:285483 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:121870 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:431367301 (411.3 MiB) TX bytes:9439240 (9.0 MiB) > > root at om-gta02:~# iwlist eth0 scan > eth0 Scan completed : > Cell 01 - Address: 00:04:E2:A1:76:0B > ESSID:"santaclara" > Mode:Master > Frequency:2.442 GHz (Channel 7) > Quality=16/94 Signal level=-79 dBm Noise level=-95 > dBm > Encryption key:on > Extra:bcn_int=100 > Extra:wpa_ie=... > > > i.e. Wifi for me it works fine now; > > matthias > > -- > Matthias Apitz > Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH > Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany > t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 > e - w http://www.oclc.org/ > http://www.UnixArea.de/ > b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ > A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open > Windows > Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres > Windows > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-2008.9--Wifi-very-unreliable-tp1128409p1134044.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mail at 3v1n0.net Thu Oct 2 16:35:56 2008 From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:35:56 +0200 Subject: MPlayer with Glamo In-Reply-To: <1222936280.19877.6.camel@sunmeng-desktop> References: <1222936280.19877.6.camel@sunmeng-desktop> Message-ID: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=stableMeng Sun ha scritto: > Hi, > > I'm trying to compile MPlayer with Glamo support following this site: > > http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ > > But error occurs when compile it as follows: > [CUT] I had problems too, then I found how to compile it. Simply use this configuration script [1]. If you want a pre-compiled version look at this [2], while if you need the patched kernel (that shouldn't be needed anymore BTW) is here [3]. [1] http://tinyurl.com/4y4run [2] http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/mplayer-glamo.tar.bz2 [3] http://tinyurl.com/uImage-gta02-stable-glamo-vid -- Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ From guru at unixarea.de Thu Oct 2 16:42:15 2008 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:42:15 +0200 Subject: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable In-Reply-To: <1222958123203-1134044.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200810011035.12348.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> <3e29d8b00810010428v1385400cid0910c6b9ce55bfc@mail.gmail.com> <1222953570078-1133869.post@n2.nabble.com> <20081002142220.GA13119@rebelion.Sisis.de> <1222958123203-1134044.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20081002144215.GA13903@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Thursday, October 02, 2008 a las 07:35:23AM -0700, vale escribi?: > > add a sleep 500 to your loop ;) will do later at home and post the results; > > which image / kernel are you using? Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.rootfs.jffs2 Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.uImage.bin matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows From mail at 3v1n0.net Thu Oct 2 16:47:45 2008 From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:47:45 +0200 Subject: Qtopia 4.4 - Qt Extended | Now Released! In-Reply-To: References: <48E270B2.9050300@trolltech.com> <48E2C0F0.50608@trolltech.com> <6016f9080810020334m73fb464m3325d60a1a82e384@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: C?dric Berger wrote: > And how can we keep our data ? Can we keep current /home, or just qtopia > database, or do we have to migrate it manually ? Well this is quite important for me too. Is there a migration needed or simply the data is saved in the same format? Since until today I always shared my Applications and Documents folders between Qtopia and Om2008 to get keep the phonebook, SMSs and documents synced; it worked well, but will it work anymore? -- Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ From freerunner at newkirk.us Thu Oct 2 17:01:37 2008 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:01:37 -0400 Subject: [qtopia]how to rotate screen from the =?UTF-8?Q?shell=3F?= In-Reply-To: <164c96680810020701h722971aar19c4367c764512ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <164c96680810020701h722971aar19c4367c764512ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6d02de92d46ff90c85cefacb826cfc6f@localhost> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:01:32 +0200, "Thomas Bertani" wrote: > Hi, I need to rotate the screen from the shell with a command. Anybody > knows > how to do that? > > Thanks in advance Google 'x11 rotate' or 'linux screen rotate' and you'll quickly find the command 'xrandr'. Resolution and Rotation controls. xrandr -o 0 - 'normal' xrandr -o 1 - 'right' xrandr -o 2 - 'inverted' xrandr -o 3 - 'left' -o for 'orientation', you can use the numbers or the string 'normal' etc. j From denisgalvao at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 17:09:40 2008 From: denisgalvao at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Denis_Galv=E3o?=) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:09:40 -0300 Subject: [debian] Top bar does not appear Message-ID: <51567089-326C-42ED-AC0D-AD059E1866EC@gmail.com> Hi guys. After some time trying to install Debian on my SDCard, Im able to boot it up. When zhone show up, I only see the four icons and the date bar, but the top bar with signal, battery things does not appeared. Is there a way to correct that? Thanks, -- Denis Brazil From mail at 3v1n0.net Thu Oct 2 17:10:27 2008 From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:10:27 +0200 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <20081002134603.72ba260c.raster@rasterman.com> References: <20081002134603.72ba260c.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:05:53 -0600 "Ori Pessach" babbled: > >> I understand what it's doing. It's not doing it well. I tried it for shell > > i disagree. it works like a charm for me - as per my previous mail - i can use > it while walking down the street. more than i can say for pretty much any other > virtual keyboard i have available to me. I do agree with raster... I'm using it with no problems and always without the stylus. Since when I've bought the Freerunner I've used the stylus less than 3-4 times. I always tried to do all with my fingers and generally I got it; mostly thanks to Carsten's work. Of course, there are some things that could be improved (i.e. parsing big dictionaries) but it's all generally so much usable! > look at the personal dict file. ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/personal.dic > > it saves usage frequency. About this, did you see my reported bug #2049? And more... When the personal addictions are stored there? Since it doesn't seem to grow as soon as I type (or am I simply too blind? :P). Thanks... -- Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ From CC.Fan at gmx.de Thu Oct 2 19:11:00 2008 From: CC.Fan at gmx.de (Fabian Henze) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:11:00 +0200 Subject: [qtopia]how to rotate screen from the shell? In-Reply-To: <6d02de92d46ff90c85cefacb826cfc6f@localhost> References: <164c96680810020701h722971aar19c4367c764512ca@mail.gmail.com> <6d02de92d46ff90c85cefacb826cfc6f@localhost> Message-ID: <200810021911.01017.CC.Fan@gmx.de> On 02.10.2008 at 17:01:37, Joel Newkirk wrote: > Google 'x11 rotate' or 'linux screen rotate' and you'll quickly find the > command 'xrandr'. Resolution and Rotation controls. > > xrandr -o 0 - 'normal' > xrandr -o 1 - 'right' > xrandr -o 2 - 'inverted' > xrandr -o 3 - 'left' > > -o for 'orientation', you can use the numbers or the string 'normal' etc. qtopia does not use X ... -- Fabian From sylar1991 at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 17:14:32 2008 From: sylar1991 at gmail.com (Thomas Bertani) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:14:32 +0200 Subject: [qtopia]how to rotate screen from the shell? In-Reply-To: <6d02de92d46ff90c85cefacb826cfc6f@localhost> References: <164c96680810020701h722971aar19c4367c764512ca@mail.gmail.com> <6d02de92d46ff90c85cefacb826cfc6f@localhost> Message-ID: <164c96680810020814i9f8bffr8b6258afa4cfe839@mail.gmail.com> You don't need google to read the object: [qtopia]. Qtopia uses framebuffer and not x11... 2008/10/2 Joel Newkirk > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:01:32 +0200, "Thomas Bertani" > wrote: > > Hi, I need to rotate the screen from the shell with a command. Anybody > > knows > > how to do that? > > > > Thanks in advance > > Google 'x11 rotate' or 'linux screen rotate' and you'll quickly find the > command 'xrandr'. Resolution and Rotation controls. > > xrandr -o 0 - 'normal' > xrandr -o 1 - 'right' > xrandr -o 2 - 'inverted' > xrandr -o 3 - 'left' > > -o for 'orientation', you can use the numbers or the string 'normal' etc. > > j > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/8f220c3c/attachment.htm From raster at rasterman.com Thu Oct 2 17:24:46 2008 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:24:46 +1000 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: References: <20081002134603.72ba260c.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <20081003012446.ac104441.raster@rasterman.com> On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:10:27 +0200 "Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o)" babbled: > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:05:53 -0600 "Ori Pessach" > > babbled: > > > >> I understand what it's doing. It's not doing it well. I tried it for shell > > > > i disagree. it works like a charm for me - as per my previous mail - i can > > use it while walking down the street. more than i can say for pretty much > > any other virtual keyboard i have available to me. > > I do agree with raster... I'm using it with no problems and always > without the stylus. Since when I've bought the Freerunner I've used the > stylus less than 3-4 times. I always tried to do all with my fingers and > generally I got it; mostly thanks to Carsten's work. > Of course, there are some things that could be improved (i.e. parsing > big dictionaries) but it's all generally so much usable! yeah. saw your trac bug. i know. it's just out of my focus at the moment. i'll eventually cycle back around to it - and i'll not fix the bugs - i'll probably do some radical surgery to the dict format and enigne. :) > > look at the personal dict file. ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/personal.dic > > > > it saves usage frequency. > > About this, did you see my reported bug #2049? > And more... When the personal addictions are stored there? Since it > doesn't seem to grow as soon as I type (or am I simply too blind? :P). i saw the one with duplicates - that shouldn't happen - but there likely is some bug that makes it - somewhere... shouldn't. it saves - just not immediately. you need to keep the dict idle for 5+ seconds - then it flushes and saves. that means not adding any new words or modifying them for 5 seconds (ie take a pause from typing and it'll flush and save). -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From Quakeman1 at gmx.net Thu Oct 2 17:32:33 2008 From: Quakeman1 at gmx.net (Fox Mulder) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:32:33 +0200 Subject: [debian] Top bar does not appear In-Reply-To: <51567089-326C-42ED-AC0D-AD059E1866EC@gmail.com> References: <51567089-326C-42ED-AC0D-AD059E1866EC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E4E991.3070509@gmx.net> FSO3 in debian doesn't have the top bar anymore in zhone. You can use the openmoko-panel-plugin floating around in this mailing list. This xfce plugin shows the status of gsm, battery and some other usefull stuff. :) Ciao, Rainer Denis Galv?o wrote: > Hi guys. > > After some time trying to install Debian on my SDCard, Im able to boot > it up. > > When zhone show up, I only see the four icons and the date bar, but > the top bar with signal, battery things does not appeared. > > Is there a way to correct that? > > Thanks, > > -- > Denis > Brazil > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From alastair at truebox.co.uk Thu Oct 2 17:39:01 2008 From: alastair at truebox.co.uk (Alastair Johnson) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:39:01 +0100 Subject: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable In-Reply-To: <1222958123203-1134044.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200810011035.12348.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> <3e29d8b00810010428v1385400cid0910c6b9ce55bfc@mail.gmail.com> <1222953570078-1133869.post@n2.nabble.com> <20081002142220.GA13119@rebelion.Sisis.de> <1222958123203-1134044.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <48E4EB15.9080601@truebox.co.uk> vale wrote: > add a sleep 500 to your loop ;) > > which image / kernel are you using? You should perhaps ask what AP he's using, or whether he has the power management enabled on the wifi. Some APs apparently get upset by power managed devices, and the Freerunner enables power management of the wifi by default to preserve battery. My wrt54g certainly gets upset from time to time if I connect with the freerunner, sometimes refusing to talk to _anything_ over wifi afterwards until rebooted. From paul at nlpagan.net Thu Oct 2 17:46:22 2008 From: paul at nlpagan.net (Paul) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:46:22 +0200 Subject: Guess what... Message-ID: <48E4ECCE.40908@nlpagan.net> My Freerunner is here! :-) Must go play! -- No army can withstand the strength of an idea whose time has come. -Victor Hugo http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 From freerunner at newkirk.us Thu Oct 2 17:49:51 2008 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:49:51 -0400 Subject: [qtopia]how to rotate screen from the =?UTF-8?Q?shell=3F?= In-Reply-To: <200810021911.01017.CC.Fan@gmx.de> References: <200810021911.01017.CC.Fan@gmx.de> Message-ID: <718c0e9310f74ea64ff17aba224d1551@localhost> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:11:00 +0200, Fabian Henze wrote: > On 02.10.2008 at 17:01:37, Joel Newkirk wrote: >> Google 'x11 rotate' or 'linux screen rotate' and you'll quickly find the >> command 'xrandr'. Resolution and Rotation controls. >> >> xrandr -o 0 - 'normal' >> xrandr -o 1 - 'right' >> xrandr -o 2 - 'inverted' >> xrandr -o 3 - 'left' >> >> -o for 'orientation', you can use the numbers or the string 'normal' > etc. > > qtopia does not use X ... > > -- Fabian Sorry about that, I was thinking in terms of ASU and the qtopia-with-X11 setup. j From kitts.mailinglists at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 17:53:49 2008 From: kitts.mailinglists at gmail.com (Kishore) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:23:49 +0530 Subject: kernel for qt extended 4.4 Message-ID: <200810022123.50102.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> I downloaded the rootfs image for qt extended and flashed it to the rootfs partition. I previously had FDOM installed so basically this must have overwritten it. The kernel image was not available so i guess im still using the image i flashed from FDOM. It works but is somewhat flaky. No USB networking and so no SSH. Something is not right here and im guessing it is all because of the kernel image. So where do i get the suitable kernel image or how do i have to go about it? -- Cheers! Kishore From oberhauseralex at networld.to Thu Oct 2 18:08:08 2008 From: oberhauseralex at networld.to (Alex Oberhauser) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:08:08 +0200 Subject: Guess what... In-Reply-To: <48E4ECCE.40908@nlpagan.net> References: <48E4ECCE.40908@nlpagan.net> Message-ID: <20081002160808.GA5250@frodo> On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 05:46:22PM +0200, Paul wrote: > > My Freerunner is here! > > :-) > > Must go play! And don't forget to fix bugs as much as possible ;) Alex From nicola.mfb at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 18:10:59 2008 From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:10:59 +0200 Subject: kernel for qt extended 4.4 In-Reply-To: <200810022123.50102.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> References: <200810022123.50102.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> Message-ID: <359c5480810020910o4e398d48g8b80073561bc7bfc@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/2 Kishore > I downloaded the rootfs image for qt extended and flashed it to the rootfs > partition. I previously had FDOM installed so basically this must have > overwritten it. The kernel image was not available so i guess im still > using > the image i flashed from FDOM. > > It works but is somewhat flaky. No USB networking and so no SSH. Something > is > not right here and im guessing it is all because of the kernel image. > > So where do i get the suitable kernel image or how do i have to go about > it? > I can ping the phone, but no ssh (connection refused). Launching dropbear from terminal seg faults. Nicola -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/e0774cf7/attachment.htm From joakim at verona.se Thu Oct 2 18:15:32 2008 From: joakim at verona.se (joakim at verona.se) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:15:32 +0200 Subject: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.4 References: <1222292842.12655.23.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Sebastian Ohl writes: Im having difficulty getting this working. Version 0.3 worked briefly. Any chance of a new deb? > Hi gents, > > some words of what this is(as it produced some confusion last time: > The openmoko-panel-plugin is a gtk based plugin that draws the > powerstate of some FR hardware devices(i.e. gsm, gps) to a gtk based > panel. theses panels are used i.e. in xfce4. so you can enable or > disable the state of your gps receiver. > > See a screenshot here: http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel.png > > > i just uploaded a new release (0.4) to my server. it can be downloaded > from: > ?http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1_all.debhttp://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1_amd64.changes > http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1.diff.gz?http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1.dsc > ?http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4.orig.tar.gz > > Changelog: > * fixed many debianizing errors. > * adding more dependencies > * fixed problems with different versions on my laptop :-( > * the menu entry should reappear > * click opens a context menu to toggle the powerstate > * removed some icons until they are finaly working > > the credit for the code changed goes to morlac. > > thank you for the big feature requests in the last mails. some of them > are already integrated into the code. but the code needs a big cleanup. > so please be patient. i think i will need a weekend to integrate all your > suggestions *g* > > Cu > Sebastian > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Joakim Verona From steve at openmoko.com Thu Oct 2 18:20:32 2008 From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:20:32 -0700 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: References: <20081002131121.91b4856b.raster@rasterman.com> <20081002135735.470884d4.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <48E4F4D0.4090408@openmoko.com> Lists of US names. first and last http://www.census.gov/genealogy/names/names_files.html C?dric Berger wrote: > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 05:57, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler < > raster at rasterman.com> wrote: > [...] > >> you will know its not >> there when its not offered as a correction in the short or long list. you >> get >> to delete what u typed and type again carefully. you only need to do this >> once. >> then it goes into the dict. >> >> [...] > > seriously - as an experiment, when you type a word and it "gets the guess >> wrong" pop up the full list and at the top is EXACTLY what you typed. > > [..] > > What I really miss is having what I really typed be immediatly available as > an option (ie not having to pop up a list). > Personnaly I would even prefer by far (but might be an option) that what I > type is what is selected by default, and a "computed" word is shown in the > box that I can choose instead, if I want... > > and even writing english text messages, it is too often I have to enter > unknown names, locations, emails, .... whatever.... > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From kitts.mailinglists at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 18:24:15 2008 From: kitts.mailinglists at gmail.com (Kishore) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:54:15 +0530 Subject: kernel for qt extended 4.4 In-Reply-To: <359c5480810020910o4e398d48g8b80073561bc7bfc@mail.gmail.com> References: <200810022123.50102.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <359c5480810020910o4e398d48g8b80073561bc7bfc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810022154.15884.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> On Thursday 02 Oct 2008 9:40:59 pm Nicola Mfb wrote: > 2008/10/2 Kishore > I downloaded the rootfs image for qt extended and flashed it to the rootfs > partition. I previously had FDOM installed so basically this must have > overwritten it. The kernel image was not available so i guess im still > using the image i flashed from FDOM. > > It works but is somewhat flaky. No USB networking and so no SSH. Something > is not right here and im guessing it is all because of the kernel image. > > So where do i get the suitable kernel image or how do i have to go about > it? > > > I can ping the phone, but no ssh (connection refused). > Launching dropbear from terminal seg faults Same here -- Cheers! Kishore From joakim at verona.se Thu Oct 2 18:20:04 2008 From: joakim at verona.se (joakim at verona.se) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:20:04 +0200 Subject: [debian] getting zhone sid ringtones working References: <1222872842.3317.39.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net> Message-ID: Joachim Breitner writes:> > Could be. What version of fso-frameworkd do you have installed (dpkg -l > fso-frameworkd)? ii fso-frameworkd 0.2.0-git20080 freemsmartphone.org Framework Daemon > > Greetings, > Joachim -- Joakim Verona From Quakeman1 at gmx.net Thu Oct 2 18:32:37 2008 From: Quakeman1 at gmx.net (Fox Mulder) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:32:37 +0200 Subject: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.4 In-Reply-To: References: <1222292842.12655.23.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <48E4F7A5.40808@gmx.net> I previously posted a note that the actual 0.4 package misses quite some icons. So to get it to work you just have to put the missing icons back to /usr/share/pixmaps/openmoko-panel-plugins. You can get the icons from http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4.orig.tar.gz It misses the following icons: brightness.png usb_drive.png usb_host.png usb_net.png gsm_000.png gsm_020.png gsm_040.png gsm_060.png gsm_080.png gsm_100.png Ciao, Rainer joakim at verona.se wrote: > Sebastian Ohl > writes: > > Im having difficulty getting this working. Version 0.3 worked briefly. > Any chance of a new deb? > >> Hi gents, >> >> some words of what this is(as it produced some confusion last time: >> The openmoko-panel-plugin is a gtk based plugin that draws the >> powerstate of some FR hardware devices(i.e. gsm, gps) to a gtk based >> panel. theses panels are used i.e. in xfce4. so you can enable or >> disable the state of your gps receiver. >> >> See a screenshot here: http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel.png >> >> >> i just uploaded a new release (0.4) to my server. it can be downloaded >> from: >> ?http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1_all.debhttp://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1_amd64.changes >> http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1.diff.gz?http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1.dsc >> ?http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4.orig.tar.gz >> >> Changelog: >> * fixed many debianizing errors. >> * adding more dependencies >> * fixed problems with different versions on my laptop :-( >> * the menu entry should reappear >> * click opens a context menu to toggle the powerstate >> * removed some icons until they are finaly working >> >> the credit for the code changed goes to morlac. >> >> thank you for the big feature requests in the last mails. some of them >> are already integrated into the code. but the code needs a big cleanup. >> so please be patient. i think i will need a weekend to integrate all your >> suggestions *g* >> >> Cu >> Sebastian >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From sylar1991 at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 18:33:49 2008 From: sylar1991 at gmail.com (Thomas Bertani) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:33:49 +0200 Subject: [qtopia]how to view cover on mediaplayer? Message-ID: <164c96680810020933q1d188dccw8d8ec3081057cc5a@mail.gmail.com> I can't see covers from the media player. the is a format or something standard to follow to view them? because I have always no-cover image... on qtopia 4.4 Thanks in advance and sorry for my bad english :P -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/f2adaca7/attachment.htm From mail at 3v1n0.net Thu Oct 2 18:33:39 2008 From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:33:39 +0200 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: References: <20081002131121.91b4856b.raster@rasterman.com> <20081002135735.470884d4.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: C?dric Berger wrote: > What I really miss is having what I really typed be immediatly available > as an option (ie not having to pop up a list). > Personnaly I would even prefer by far (but might be an option) that what > I type is what is selected by default, and a "computed" word is shown in > the box that I can choose instead, if I want... > > and even writing english text messages, it is too often I have to enter > unknown names, locations, emails, .... whatever.... Well, I can agree in this. I think that the selected word/char should be set as default (i.e. I often write in Italian thinks like l', since adding any word matching to "[clmstv]'" would increase a lot the dictionary I do prefer using the "'" as a non-dictionary char so when I've to write a word like that I, for example, press "l", then "'" and finally the word. However this doesn't work always since the "l" is quite never selected by default also if I press exactly on it; so I've to press "l", select it in the list, do a backspace and finally writing the word. You can figure that it's not so good :P). -- Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ From steve at openmoko.com Thu Oct 2 18:37:58 2008 From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:37:58 -0700 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <20081002192720.1999899b.raster@rasterman.com> References: <20081002134603.72ba260c.raster@rasterman.com> <48E47F58.3050006@openmoko.com> <20081002192720.1999899b.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <48E4F8E6.9010908@openmoko.com> I used to have a bunch of them when I was doing a NLG ( natural Language generation) pet project. I sent you a link to US names as well. from the US census. For personal dictionaries, people could just run a simple word frequency analysis on their archived email,( there are GPL programs that do this I believe, but its dead easy to write yourself) and import their email contacts into the database. ( speeling mistakes might require some work, like the one I just did) If you had access to archived chats or chat logs you could pick up things like LOL, PITA, etc, or logs of SMS. There are some studies on word frequency in SMS but I havent found a online resource. Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:59:20 -0700 Steve Mosher babbled: > > aha! a "decent" frequency corpus (a few thousand words). i'll merge this with > the default us dict (and remove the small one as now that's useless). > >> Hey raster, How's it going. >> >> I promised you some frequency data a while back. >> http://ucrel.lancs.ac.uk/bncfreq/flists.html >> http://ucrel.lancs.ac.uk/bncfreq/lists/1_2_all_freq.txt >> >> there are others as well >> >> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >>> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:05:53 -0600 "Ori Pessach" >>> babbled: >>> >>>> I understand what it's doing. It's not doing it well. I tried it for shell >>> i disagree. it works like a charm for me - as per my previous mail - i can >>> use it while walking down the street. more than i can say for pretty much >>> any other virtual keyboard i have available to me. >>> >>>> input, and it was an unusable mess. I tried it for text messaging, and it >>> why someone would use a language dictionary-based corrective keyboard for >>> shell input beats me! in this case i call "silly user - using a motorcycle >>> to deliver elephants" line :) use the terminal keyboard. use a stylus. >>> thats what it was meant for. :) >>> >>>> was an unusable mess. It has no model of the likelihood of erroneous input >>> it does. it absolutely does. maybe your fingers are incredibly off-center? >>> here is the algorithm (and if u don't believe me - code is there to be >>> read): >>> >>> it stores a press POINT (x,y). it looks for all keys whose center point is >>> WITHIN f distance of x,y (f being the fuzz value - the .kbd file for the >>> qwerty Default keyboard is 135 units wide, with fuzz radius of 20, so that's >>> about 1/3rd of the keyboard that it searches through for a likely match). >>> likelihood factors (distance) per key found is allocated based on distance >>> (0 == most likely, > 0 less likely the greater the value). each press is >>> done this way EXCEPT if u hold for 0.25 sec then drag to select a key >>> explicitly in zoom mode - then the ONLY key available for that word slot is >>> that letter selected given a distance of 0. as you type all permutations of >>> letters are searched and put into a list - with each permutation given a >>> distance metric based on the letters used (simply addition of the >>> distances). now this is combined with the dictionary's frequency metric >>> (multiplied by an inverse) so the more likely the word is to be used the >>> lower its distance becomes. words are sorted from most to least likely >>> based on this metric then listed with most likely in the middle of the >>> list, leas likely to the left/right ends - which you may not see. the >>> vertical list lists all matches from most to least likely (top to bottom) >>> with 1 exception - EXACTLY what u typed it as the top. it absolutely has a >>> fairly good idea of likelihood of error and likelihood of usage of a word >>> etc. etc. >>> >>> eg: >>> >>> Press | Guess+dist >>> e e+0 w+1 r+2 d+2 s+1 >>> r r+0 t+1 e+2 f+1 g+2 d+3 >>> k k+0 l+1 o+2 i+3 j+3 >>> d d+0 f+1 s+1 e+1 c+1 r+2 w+2 >>> >>> so "erkd" has distance 0 = but its not a word in the dictionary at all, so >>> thrown out. "rwkd" has distance 1, but not a word, "srkd" same, "etkd", >>> "efkd", "erld", etc. etc. >>> >>> in the end it produces a list where most likely "world" ends up the word >>> with other options too - and this is a much simplified list. mostly the list >>> for candidate letters per input letter is about 10-12 letters. so u have >>> 12*12*12*12 permutations for a 4 letter word - of which a fraction of that >>> space is legitimate words. each permutation has a likelihood value based on >>> press distance and on frequency of usage of that word in language in >>> general in the dictionary. >>> >>> mind you - i AM talking about illume's keyboard, its algorithms as is in the >>> image i built. if you use something else i cannot comment as it's something >>> else. >>> >>>> (relatively low) and instead appears to look for the word with the closest >>>> minimum edit distance to the user's input. This is nuts. I have never - >>> it's not - as the edit distance is the likelihood of error. you likely press >>> the key you want - or near it. thus keys near where you pressed are more >>> likely than those further away. to limit search distance only up to a >>> certain distance is searched. chances are that you do this: >>> >>> fingerprint: >>> ___ >>> /~~~\ >>> |~~~| >>> |~~~| >>> \x/ >>> " >>> >>> where "x" is the pressure point reported on the touchscreen. the only info >>> the touchscreen reports is the pressure point - nothing else. you think u >>> press somewhere else, but don't. you know what u pressed bu what key "pops >>> up" that lets u know pretty well how good your pressing of the screen is. >>> this is just a hardware limit of a resistive touchscreen. the point of >>> greatest pressure is used - not the middle point of the area in which skin >>> contacts the screen. get the gpe-sketchbook and try press with the flat of >>> your finger and see just of far off your press point is. it may surprise >>> you. >>> >>> as i said - it does have all the model and code and even data to do proper >>> correction based on many factors. i do NOT have a dictionary with frequency >>> info for all of english - there is a "small" english dict (5000 words) with >>> some frequency info in it i managed to gather, but its very small. >>> >>> if you don't believe me - read the code, or do better. patches accepted, >>> but i think the problem is just that the dictionary has no frequency info >>> by default (a matter of simple lack of data) or how you press the screen. i >>> suggest you pay close attention to how you type and see. yes the "black >>> word" (in the black box) may not be always the word u want - but its most >>> often that word or a word right next to it - as you use it it will learn. >>> if you are using it for non-english stuff then you need a different >>> dictionary. >>> >>>> literally - gotten the word I typed in. In the common use case, of a user >>>> who enters a correct word, it invariably get it wrong. >>>> >>>> Understanding what it's doing doesn't make it less of a nuisance. >>> it does have concept of frequency orf words. i just dont have any DATA for >>> that. the dict format handles is: >>> word1 >>> word2 >>> word3 >>> >>> OR >>> word1 20 >>> word2 434 >>> word3 1 >>> >>> etc. >>> look at the personal dict file. ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/personal.dic >>> >>> it saves usage frequency. this affects lookup likelihood. btw - for me it >>> gets the word most of the time or the word is not the most likely but at >>> least listed as one of the most likely. use it for a bit and it learns and >>> gets better. if you wish to generate a dictionary with frequency info - >>> please do so! i made it really easy. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > From photogeekmtl at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 18:42:12 2008 From: photogeekmtl at gmail.com (Warren Baird) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:42:12 -0400 Subject: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable In-Reply-To: <1222953570078-1133869.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200810011035.12348.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> <3e29d8b00810010428v1385400cid0910c6b9ce55bfc@mail.gmail.com> <1222953570078-1133869.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 9:19 AM, vale wrote: > > its a fact, that freerunners wlan is far away from optimum. > > [...] > > -> wlan drivers not working well > > i think this should also be a high priority aspect to work on for Openmoko. I definitely agree. I was recently at a conference and trying to use my freerunner as a mobile web device with the conference wlan - an open network, so I didn't have to worry about encryption. I connected with my laptop a number of times, and everything ran smoothly - however, my FR gave me no end of problems. If I rebooted and tried connecting with Mofi, I could sometimes connect - maybe 1 time in 3. Once I connected, I could browse for a while with Minimo (which worked quite nicely), but then it would hang, and I'd have to reboot several times again before I could get connected again. I've had similar experiences before - I can rarely connect to our open guest network at my office, I've never managed to connect successfully the few times I've tried at Cafe's with free wifi, and I haven't managed to get it to connect at all to our wifi network at home. As much as I love my FR, I must admit that the whole experience had me thinking lustful thoughts about my wife's iPhone... BTW - I'm running FDOM 20080913. Warren -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/3f307e87/attachment.htm From paul at nlpagan.net Thu Oct 2 19:01:08 2008 From: paul at nlpagan.net (Paul) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:01:08 +0200 Subject: Guess what... In-Reply-To: <20081002160808.GA5250@frodo> References: <48E4ECCE.40908@nlpagan.net> <20081002160808.GA5250@frodo> Message-ID: <48E4FE54.5060004@nlpagan.net> > And don't forget to fix bugs as much as possible ;) > LOL!! First bug is already there: I powered down the phone (Power Down GSM Antenna). Now... Power-up GSM Antenna does not bring my phone back up... How do I do that? (FR is still charging) Do I need to power down and boot up again? *grin* Paul -- No army can withstand the strength of an idea whose time has come. -Victor Hugo http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 From ganesh.krishna at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 19:11:26 2008 From: ganesh.krishna at gmail.com (Ganesha Krishna) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:41:26 +0530 Subject: kernel for qt extended 4.4 In-Reply-To: <200810022154.15884.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> References: <200810022123.50102.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <359c5480810020910o4e398d48g8b80073561bc7bfc@mail.gmail.com> <200810022154.15884.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> Message-ID: <75f19530810021011i284cdd76mf99d01d217a81a80@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 9:54 PM, Kishore wrote: > On Thursday 02 Oct 2008 9:40:59 pm Nicola Mfb wrote: >> 2008/10/2 Kishore >> I downloaded the rootfs image for qt extended and flashed it to the rootfs >> partition. I previously had FDOM installed so basically this must have >> overwritten it. The kernel image was not available so i guess im still >> using the image i flashed from FDOM. >> >> It works but is somewhat flaky. No USB networking and so no SSH. Something >> is not right here and im guessing it is all because of the kernel image. >> >> So where do i get the suitable kernel image or how do i have to go about >> it? >> >> >> I can ping the phone, but no ssh (connection refused). >> Launching dropbear from terminal seg faults > > Same here > -- > Cheers! > Kishore > I had qtopia-4.3.3-snapshot-09012242-gta02-flash.tgz that came with uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin kernel. I have flashed the new rootfs (latest 4.4.1 release) and have wifi (no encryption tested), GSM and USB networking. Thanks, -GK PS: Low the browser!. How do I save an email attachment though? From jayv at synth.net Thu Oct 2 19:15:17 2008 From: jayv at synth.net (Jay Vaughan) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:15:17 +0200 Subject: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable In-Reply-To: References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200810011035.12348.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> <3e29d8b00810010428v1385400cid0910c6b9ce55bfc@mail.gmail.com> <1222953570078-1133869.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: > As much as I love my FR, I must admit that the whole experience had > me thinking lustful thoughts about my wife's iPhone... I would say just get an iPhone. I did. Its much more fun to develop for a *platform* rather than a constant dogs-breakfast of disaster. Until someone in the Freerunner world turns the thing into a stable platform, its just going to go on and on forever with nothing ever being fixed, stably, and dependably. I mean, give me a break. Its October, and people are *still* wrestling with WLAN configuration. Can you hackers not see how stupid it is to be fussing with 'pretty stuff' when the most basic things don't even work? I've given up on Freerunner development. Until there is a stable image that provides an Operating System (what we have now: Inoperable) its just not worth the fuss. The Freerunner project has been murdered, in my opinion, by hobby horsing hackers who have nothing but hatred for the end users that *could* be using the thing. ; -- Jay Vaughan From ganesh.krishna at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 19:11:26 2008 From: ganesh.krishna at gmail.com (Ganesha Krishna) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:41:26 +0530 Subject: kernel for qt extended 4.4 In-Reply-To: <200810022154.15884.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> References: <200810022123.50102.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <359c5480810020910o4e398d48g8b80073561bc7bfc@mail.gmail.com> <200810022154.15884.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> Message-ID: <75f19530810021011i284cdd76mf99d01d217a81a80@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 9:54 PM, Kishore wrote: > On Thursday 02 Oct 2008 9:40:59 pm Nicola Mfb wrote: >> 2008/10/2 Kishore >> I downloaded the rootfs image for qt extended and flashed it to the rootfs >> partition. I previously had FDOM installed so basically this must have >> overwritten it. The kernel image was not available so i guess im still >> using the image i flashed from FDOM. >> >> It works but is somewhat flaky. No USB networking and so no SSH. Something >> is not right here and im guessing it is all because of the kernel image. >> >> So where do i get the suitable kernel image or how do i have to go about >> it? >> >> >> I can ping the phone, but no ssh (connection refused). >> Launching dropbear from terminal seg faults > > Same here > -- > Cheers! > Kishore > I had qtopia-4.3.3-snapshot-09012242-gta02-flash.tgz that came with uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin kernel. I have flashed the new rootfs (latest 4.4.1 release) and have wifi (no encryption tested), GSM and USB networking. Thanks, -GK PS: Low the browser!. How do I save an email attachment though? From m.camenzind at live.com Thu Oct 2 19:30:53 2008 From: m.camenzind at live.com (Matthias Camenzind) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:30:53 +0000 Subject: Debian installer internal error Message-ID: I tried four times to install debian on a 2GB SD. I installed once a working fine debian but I've broken the SD card. Now I get always this error: P: Configuring helper cdebootstrap-helper-apt E: Internal error: install Exists something i could do? _________________________________________________________________ Die neue Generation der Windows Live Services - jetzt downloaden! http://get.live.com From freerunner at newkirk.us Thu Oct 2 19:02:09 2008 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:02:09 -0400 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <48E4F8E6.9010908@openmoko.com> References: <48E4F8E6.9010908@openmoko.com> Message-ID: <32248ff96222b977d66ba8a0c9e631e5@localhost> On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:37:58 -0700, Steve Mosher wrote: > I used to have a bunch of them when I was doing a NLG ( natural Language > generation) pet project. I sent you a link to US names as well. from the > US census. > For personal dictionaries, people could just run a simple word frequency > analysis on their archived email,( there are GPL programs that do this > I believe, but its dead easy to write yourself) and import their email > contacts into the database. > ( speeling mistakes might require some work, like the one I just did) > If you had access to archived chats or chat logs you could pick up > things like LOL, PITA, etc, or logs of SMS. There are some studies on > word frequency in SMS but I havent found a online resource. > I was thinking of a quickie program to scan the ~/.bash_history on my desktop and generate frequency data for command names... ;) Take everything up to the first space, strip off any path, count and insert in dict. (unfortunately the command history on the FR is by default VERY VERY short, I've not investigated how to extend it) More useful would be if someone can scare up a thorough list of common SMS shorthand, like 'cul8r' and what-not. (don't know how that'd work out though, with numeric characters embedded) j From ganesh.krishna at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 19:11:26 2008 From: ganesh.krishna at gmail.com (Ganesha Krishna) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:41:26 +0530 Subject: kernel for qt extended 4.4 In-Reply-To: <200810022154.15884.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> References: <200810022123.50102.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <359c5480810020910o4e398d48g8b80073561bc7bfc@mail.gmail.com> <200810022154.15884.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> Message-ID: <75f19530810021011i284cdd76mf99d01d217a81a80@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 9:54 PM, Kishore wrote: > On Thursday 02 Oct 2008 9:40:59 pm Nicola Mfb wrote: >> 2008/10/2 Kishore >> I downloaded the rootfs image for qt extended and flashed it to the rootfs >> partition. I previously had FDOM installed so basically this must have >> overwritten it. The kernel image was not available so i guess im still >> using the image i flashed from FDOM. >> >> It works but is somewhat flaky. No USB networking and so no SSH. Something >> is not right here and im guessing it is all because of the kernel image. >> >> So where do i get the suitable kernel image or how do i have to go about >> it? >> >> >> I can ping the phone, but no ssh (connection refused). >> Launching dropbear from terminal seg faults > > Same here > -- > Cheers! > Kishore > I had qtopia-4.3.3-snapshot-09012242-gta02-flash.tgz that came with uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin kernel. I have flashed the new rootfs (latest 4.4.1 release) and have wifi (no encryption tested), GSM and USB networking. Thanks, -GK PS: Low the browser!. How do I save an email attachment though? From m.camenzind at live.com Thu Oct 2 19:30:53 2008 From: m.camenzind at live.com (Matthias Camenzind) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:30:53 +0000 Subject: Debian installer internal error Message-ID: I tried four times to install debian on a 2GB SD. I installed once a working fine debian but I've broken the SD card. Now I get always this error: P: Configuring helper cdebootstrap-helper-apt E: Internal error: install Exists something i could do? _________________________________________________________________ Die neue Generation der Windows Live Services - jetzt downloaden! http://get.live.com From guru at unixarea.de Thu Oct 2 19:41:13 2008 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:41:13 +0200 Subject: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable In-Reply-To: <48E4EB15.9080601@truebox.co.uk> References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200810011035.12348.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> <3e29d8b00810010428v1385400cid0910c6b9ce55bfc@mail.gmail.com> <1222953570078-1133869.post@n2.nabble.com> <20081002142220.GA13119@rebelion.Sisis.de> <1222958123203-1134044.post@n2.nabble.com> <48E4EB15.9080601@truebox.co.uk> Message-ID: <20081002174113.GA4645@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Thursday, October 02, 2008 a las 04:39:01PM +0100, Alastair Johnson escribi?: > vale wrote: > > add a sleep 500 to your loop ;) I run this script for an hour or so: root at om-gta02:~# cat wifi.sh #!/bin/sh cd /tmp while true; do rm 1M wget http://www.unixarea.de/1M date ; echo -n "now sleeping 300 sec ... " sleep 300 echo awaked done and there has been no problem all this time; as well ifconfig does not show any error packets: root at om-gta02:~# ifconfig eth0 eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:12:CF:8E:FC:5F inet addr:192.168.2.100 Bcast:192.168.2.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::212:cfff:fe8e:fc5f/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:302728 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:131532 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:454345265 (433.2 MiB) TX bytes:10145574 (9.6 MiB) and if you compare the RX/TX values with those from the last post: RX packets:285483 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:121870 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:431367301 (411.3 MiB) TX bytes:9439240 (9.0 MiB) you see that moving from office to my home, i.e. from one AP to another, I did not rebooted; I just ifdow / ifup with my script the eth0 interface; > > > > which image / kernel are you using? > > You should perhaps ask what AP he's using, or whether he has the power > management enabled on the wifi. Some APs apparently get upset by power > managed devices, and the Freerunner enables power management of the wifi > by default to preserve battery. My wrt54g certainly gets upset from time > to time if I connect with the freerunner, sometimes refusing to talk to > _anything_ over wifi afterwards until rebooted. my AP at home is a SMCWBR14-G2 EU one; regardless of the FR already in the past sometime this get stuck and needs a power-cycle; not during the test today; the actual iwconfig values are: # iwconfig eth0 eth0 AR6000 802.11g ESSID:"tarara" Mode:Managed Frequency:2.442 GHz Access Point: 00:13:F7:0D:08:48 Bit Rate=54 Mb/s Tx-Power=15 dBm Sensitivity=0/3 Retry:on Encryption key:XXXXXXXXXXXXX Security mode:open Power Management:off Link Quality:207/94 Signal level:-144 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:1487 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:55 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:64 HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows From vanous at penguin.cz Thu Oct 2 19:43:23 2008 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200 Subject: kernel for qt extended 4.4 References: <200810022123.50102.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <359c5480810020910o4e398d48g8b80073561bc7bfc@mail.gmail.com> <200810022154.15884.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081002194323.35f8777a@laptop-vanek> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:54:15 +0530 Kishore (K) wrote: >On Thursday 02 Oct 2008 9:40:59 pm Nicola Mfb wrote: >> 2008/10/2 Kishore >> I >> downloaded the rootfs image for qt extended and flashed it to the >> rootfs partition. I previously had FDOM installed so basically this >> must have overwritten it. The kernel image was not available so i >> guess im still using the image i flashed from FDOM. >> >> It works but is somewhat flaky. No USB networking and so no SSH. >> Something is not right here and im guessing it is all because of the >> kernel image. >> >> So where do i get the suitable kernel image or how do i have to go >> about it? >> >> >> I can ping the phone, but no ssh (connection refused). >> Launching dropbear from terminal seg faults > >Same here >-- >Cheers! >Kishore No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i presume if you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go. unless...I was also looking at the "services" screen or what it's called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways. -- Petr Van?k http://biodynamika.cz From guru at unixarea.de Thu Oct 2 19:59:49 2008 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:59:49 +0200 Subject: [Om2008.9] how using services of the GSM provider Message-ID: <20081002175949.GA5476@rebelion.Sisis.de> Hello, How can I use cetain services the GSM offers, like - hiding caller ID ever/never/next-call - re-direct incoming calls to mobile voicebox on busy/no-answer/any Sorry, if this is a FAQ, but I don't see it on the Wiki; thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows From vclark at globalera.com Thu Oct 2 20:04:14 2008 From: vclark at globalera.com (Vince M. Clark) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:04:14 -0600 (MDT) Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <20081002132759.GE27721@thelackthereof.org> Message-ID: <30808933.2701222970654336.JavaMail.root@collab> I ran down to Batteries Plus and picked up a Rayovac replacement that fits. It doesn't come charged but has enough charge to at least jump start my fr. I put in the new battery, plugged in the usb cable, and was able to boot. Then I took out the Rayovac battery and put the original battery back in. Device stayed running and I am hoping the battery is charging. The power button is staying illuminated and is red. Any idea what that means? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock" To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 7:27:59 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery On 2008.10.01.13.05, Vince M. Clark wrote: | I've tried multiple times with no success. How about removing all SD and SIM cards, does that help? --Brock _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/676a03ae/attachment.htm From vclark at globalera.com Thu Oct 2 20:12:48 2008 From: vclark at globalera.com (Vince M. Clark) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:12:48 -0600 (MDT) Subject: which u-boot? Message-ID: <25147277.2731222971168177.JavaMail.root@collab> Is this u-boot safe for any gta02? What is the "v5_and_up" for? http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin Vince Clark vclark at globalera.com (303) 493-6723 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/6e9cfd05/attachment.htm From hiretto at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 20:16:12 2008 From: hiretto at gmail.com (Hire) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <32248ff96222b977d66ba8a0c9e631e5@localhost> References: <20081002134603.72ba260c.raster@rasterman.com> <48E47F58.3050006@openmoko.com> <20081002192720.1999899b.raster@rasterman.com> <48E4F8E6.9010908@openmoko.com> <32248ff96222b977d66ba8a0c9e631e5@localhost> Message-ID: <1222971372958-1134577.post@n2.nabble.com> I tried it. Very nice raster! Good work. Alarm is fantastic :) Now we need only a dialer, contacts and messages compatible with FSO :) _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/New-Rasterman-Image...-tp1132929p1134577.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From liedekef at telenet.be Thu Oct 2 20:23:46 2008 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:23:46 +0200 Subject: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4 In-Reply-To: <20081002194323.35f8777a@laptop-vanek> References: <200810022123.50102.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <359c5480810020910o4e398d48g8b80073561bc7bfc@mail.gmail.com> <200810022154.15884.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <20081002194323.35f8777a@laptop-vanek> Message-ID: <20081002202346.0c9e8639@telenet.be> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200 Petr Vanek wrote: > > > No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i presume if > you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go. > > unless...I was also looking at the "services" screen or what it's > called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an > accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways. > hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one, too many bugs (old and new): - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue? - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed. - echo problem is back - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing "snooze" - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show up as "missed" The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I thought it was going to be 4.4.3? Franky From jason at jasoncawood.com Thu Oct 2 20:18:35 2008 From: jason at jasoncawood.com (Jason Cawood) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:18:35 -0600 Subject: Suspend vs. Lock vs. Screen Off Message-ID: I'm using the latest FDOM, I believe it's based on 2008.09. My question is what is the fundamental difference between pressing the power button to cause the phone to suspend, pressing the aux button to make the phone lock the screen and not pressing any buttons and letting the software timeout. Mainly, I'm interested in battery life and how each action reduces power consumption. From angus.ainslie at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 20:28:19 2008 From: angus.ainslie at gmail.com (Angus Ainslie) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:28:19 -0600 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <30808933.2701222970654336.JavaMail.root@collab> References: <20081002132759.GE27721@thelackthereof.org> <30808933.2701222970654336.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Vince M. Clark wrote: > I ran down to Batteries Plus and picked up a Rayovac replacement that fits. > It doesn't come charged but has enough charge to at least jump start my fr. > I put in the new battery, plugged in the usb cable, and was able to boot. > > Then I took out the Rayovac battery and put the original battery back in. > Device stayed running and I am hoping the battery is charging. The power > button is staying illuminated and is red. Any idea what that means? > I think you mean the AUX button is staying lit. That means its charging. The power button is the round one. Angus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/0283c0e2/attachment.htm From joakim at verona.se Thu Oct 2 20:29:15 2008 From: joakim at verona.se (joakim at verona.se) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:29:15 +0200 Subject: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks References: <20080925183151.65a54884@houba> Message-ID: Frederic Leroy writes: > Le Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:05:53 +0200, > joakim at verona.se a ?crit : > >> "Michele Renda" >> writes: >> >> > I am currently using epdf and it work well too >> >> The nice thing IMHO with Evince is that it supports many formats: >> - djvu >> - pdf >> - cbz (xipped archive of images) > > Nice ! > >> and some others. > > Does it support plucker(.pdb) files too ? I've got a lot of these. I'm not sure, but I dont think so. -- Joakim Verona From vclark at globalera.com Thu Oct 2 20:29:11 2008 From: vclark at globalera.com (Vince M. Clark) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:29:11 -0600 (MDT) Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7745977.2761222972151134.JavaMail.root@collab> No it is definitely the power button (the round one below the usb plug) staying lit red. I'm running the FSO image. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angus Ainslie" To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 12:28:19 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Vince M. Clark < vclark at globalera.com > wrote: I ran down to Batteries Plus and picked up a Rayovac replacement that fits. It doesn't come charged but has enough charge to at least jump start my fr. I put in the new battery, plugged in the usb cable, and was able to boot. Then I took out the Rayovac battery and put the original battery back in. Device stayed running and I am hoping the battery is charging. The power button is staying illuminated and is red. Any idea what that means? I think you mean the AUX button is staying lit. That means its charging. The power button is the round one. Angus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/948e3064/attachment.htm From kitts.mailinglists at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 20:38:55 2008 From: kitts.mailinglists at gmail.com (Kishore) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 00:08:55 +0530 Subject: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4 In-Reply-To: <20081002202346.0c9e8639@telenet.be> References: <200810022123.50102.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <20081002194323.35f8777a@laptop-vanek> <20081002202346.0c9e8639@telenet.be> Message-ID: <200810030008.55824.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> On Thursday 02 Oct 2008 11:53:46 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200 > > Petr Vanek wrote: > > No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i presume if > > you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go. > > > > unless...I was also looking at the "services" screen or what it's > > called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an > > accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways. > > hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one, too > many bugs (old and new): > > - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using > uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the > previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue? > - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there > in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed. > - echo problem is back > - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing "snooze" > - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show up > as "missed" > > The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I > thought it was going to be 4.4.3? Yup! I have all of those issues you mention. Anyway, USB networking is now working after i flashed mwester kernel. I am able to ssh but i cannot connect to the internet. ping google.com gives me "ping: bad address 'google.com'". I checked /etc/resolv.conf and it is empty. -- Cheers! Kishore From mieszkowski at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 20:41:01 2008 From: mieszkowski at gmail.com (TL Mieszkowski) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: voip on Debian In-Reply-To: <18db98c80810020531o21e7d7dby4f2cae04973fd84@mail.gmail.com> References: <1220693338983-842903.post@n2.nabble.com> <87zllnm9yj.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <18db98c80810020531o21e7d7dby4f2cae04973fd84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222972861310-1134642.post@n2.nabble.com> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Davide Scaini wrote: > Ekiga? did you tryed that on debian at fr? > so curious! I haven't, but I see no reason why it wouldn't work. It doesn't do IAX though, only SIP. And sip is problematic behind a NAT firewall. > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Esben Stien wrote: >> >> Asterisk is dead. Long live freeswitch. >> >> Didn't you get the memo?;) >> I was under the impression that freeswitch was more geared to low level operations, carrier level stuff.(?) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/voip-on-Debian-tp842903p1134642.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From denisgalvao at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 20:46:07 2008 From: denisgalvao at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Denis_Galv=E3o?=) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:46:07 -0300 Subject: [debian] Top bar does not appear In-Reply-To: <48E4E991.3070509@gmx.net> References: <51567089-326C-42ED-AC0D-AD059E1866EC@gmail.com> <48E4E991.3070509@gmx.net> Message-ID: Hi Rainer, thanks to point me a direction. Running OM2008.8 I cant start an xterm session, how could I do it? I just installed xfce4, it is runnig well, but slowly... How could I start OM2008.8 with zhone and the openmoko-panel-plugin at start up? Thanks, -- Denis Brazil On 02/10/2008, at 12:32, Fox Mulder wrote: > FSO3 in debian doesn't have the top bar anymore in zhone. You can use > the openmoko-panel-plugin floating around in this mailing list. This > xfce plugin shows the status of gsm, battery and some other usefull > stuff. :) > > Ciao, > Rainer > > Denis Galv?o wrote: >> Hi guys. >> >> After some time trying to install Debian on my SDCard, Im able to >> boot >> it up. >> >> When zhone show up, I only see the four icons and the date bar, but >> the top bar with signal, battery things does not appeared. >> >> Is there a way to correct that? >> >> Thanks, >> >> -- >> Denis >> Brazil >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From vales at gmx.de Thu Oct 2 20:47:21 2008 From: vales at gmx.de (vale) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable In-Reply-To: <20081002174113.GA4645@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200810011035.12348.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> <3e29d8b00810010428v1385400cid0910c6b9ce55bfc@mail.gmail.com> <1222953570078-1133869.post@n2.nabble.com> <20081002142220.GA13119@rebelion.Sisis.de> <1222958123203-1134044.post@n2.nabble.com> <48E4EB15.9080601@truebox.co.uk> <20081002174113.GA4645@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <1222973241725-1134675.post@n2.nabble.com> thats cool ... wish it would work here too, but my experience is different. doesn't matter if i try @university @home @public places or @highly secured wlans with project partners. wlan gets stuck after a few minutes of inactivity. i don't know why. how can i stop this power thing over wlan? perhaps that is the problem ... i like my freerunner, but sometimes its frustrating not beeing able to rely on basic things as wlan is. i hope its getting better soon :) vale Matthias Apitz wrote: > > El d?a Thursday, October 02, 2008 a las 04:39:01PM +0100, Alastair Johnson > escribi?: > >> vale wrote: >> > add a sleep 500 to your loop ;) > > I run this script for an hour or so: > > root at om-gta02:~# cat wifi.sh > #!/bin/sh > cd /tmp > while true; do > > rm 1M > wget http://www.unixarea.de/1M > date ; echo -n "now sleeping 300 sec ... " > sleep 300 > echo awaked > > done > > and there has been no problem all this time; as well ifconfig does not > show any error packets: > > root at om-gta02:~# ifconfig eth0 > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:12:CF:8E:FC:5F > inet addr:192.168.2.100 Bcast:192.168.2.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 > inet6 addr: fe80::212:cfff:fe8e:fc5f/64 Scope:Link > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:302728 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:131532 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:454345265 (433.2 MiB) TX bytes:10145574 (9.6 MiB) > > and if you compare the RX/TX values with those from the last post: > > RX packets:285483 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:121870 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:431367301 (411.3 MiB) TX bytes:9439240 (9.0 MiB) > > you see that moving from office to my home, i.e. from one AP to another, > I did not rebooted; I just ifdow / ifup with my script the eth0 > interface; > >> > >> > which image / kernel are you using? >> >> You should perhaps ask what AP he's using, or whether he has the power >> management enabled on the wifi. Some APs apparently get upset by power >> managed devices, and the Freerunner enables power management of the wifi >> by default to preserve battery. My wrt54g certainly gets upset from time >> to time if I connect with the freerunner, sometimes refusing to talk to >> _anything_ over wifi afterwards until rebooted. > > my AP at home is a SMCWBR14-G2 EU one; regardless of the FR already in > the past sometime this get stuck and needs a power-cycle; not during the > test today; > > the actual iwconfig values are: > > # iwconfig eth0 > eth0 AR6000 802.11g ESSID:"tarara" > Mode:Managed Frequency:2.442 GHz Access Point: > 00:13:F7:0D:08:48 > Bit Rate=54 Mb/s Tx-Power=15 dBm Sensitivity=0/3 > Retry:on > Encryption key:XXXXXXXXXXXXX Security mode:open > Power Management:off > Link Quality:207/94 Signal level:-144 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm > Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:1487 Rx invalid frag:0 > Tx excessive retries:55 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:64 > > HIH > > matthias > > -- > Matthias Apitz > Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH > Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany > t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 > e - w http://www.oclc.org/ > http://www.UnixArea.de/ > b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ > A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open > Windows > Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres > Windows > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-2008.9--Wifi-very-unreliable-tp1128409p1134675.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From freerunner at newkirk.us Thu Oct 2 20:48:42 2008 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:48:42 -0400 Subject: which =?UTF-8?Q?u-boot=3F?= In-Reply-To: <25147277.2731222971168177.JavaMail.root@collab> References: <25147277.2731222971168177.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: Yes. v5 is the design revision of the first retail Freerunners, earlier versions of GTA02 were never manufactured in significant quantities. j On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:12:48 -0600 (MDT), "Vince M. Clark" wrote: > Is this u-boot safe for any gta02? What is the "v5_and_up" for? > > http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin > > Vince Clark > vclark at globalera.com > (303) 493-6723 From mail at 3v1n0.net Thu Oct 2 20:52:00 2008 From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:52:00 +0200 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <20081002134603.72ba260c.raster@rasterman.com> References: <20081002134603.72ba260c.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > it does have concept of frequency orf words. i just dont have any DATA for > that. the dict format handles is: > word1 > word2 > word3 > > OR > word1 20 > word2 434 > word3 1 I was thinking to a way to automatize this a while ago, but I wrote something just now... The basic idea is that of using the google number of results for each word and using this value as a frequency number (well, I know these numbers are often too much great, so I guess that they should be re-analyzed and lowered but I had no time to do this now :P). So this is a little utility I wrote [1] to check the frequency of each word and writing back a new dictionary with frequency data. To run it you need php-cli (I guess v5 or above), set the given options, do "php words-popularity.php" and wait the work to be finished! :P It could be a long work, but it should give good results. PS: I've used php since I run it both on my PC and on a server (dividing the work) where I've ssh access but in which I can run by command line just a little subset of languages, and php is one of this. [1] http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/openmoko/words-popularity.phps -- Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ From openmoko at ginguppin.de Thu Oct 2 20:59:49 2008 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:59:49 +0200 Subject: Debian installer internal error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Exists something i could do? you probably need to fiddle with the sd clock. search the archives and the wiki, there should be a few postings/entries how to do that either in u-boot-menu or in sysfs. From openmoko at ginguppin.de Thu Oct 2 21:04:07 2008 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:04:07 +0200 Subject: [debian] Top bar does not appear In-Reply-To: References: <51567089-326C-42ED-AC0D-AD059E1866EC@gmail.com> <48E4E991.3070509@gmx.net> Message-ID: > Running OM2008.8 I cant start an xterm session, how could I do it? 2008.8 != debian/fso > I just installed xfce4, it is runnig well, but slowly... > > How could I start OM2008.8 with zhone and the openmoko-panel-plugin at > start up? not at all afaik. 2008.8 is one distribution for freerunner, debain/fso another. zhone belongs to fso. openmoko-panel-plugin otoh requires xfce or a compatible windowmanager. From wolfgang at openmoko.com Thu Oct 2 21:14:51 2008 From: wolfgang at openmoko.com (Wolfgang Spraul) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 03:14:51 +0800 Subject: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable In-Reply-To: <1222953570078-1133869.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200810011035.12348.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> <3e29d8b00810010428v1385400cid0910c6b9ce55bfc@mail.gmail.com> <1222953570078-1133869.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <83BFC5B2-5343-4492-8280-742FA1BBC96B@openmoko.com> vale, > i think this should also be a high priority aspect to work on for > Openmoko. It is, and for Atheros too. We are working on improving the driver (there are several driver variants actually), we are working on getting all of this into mainline kernel.org, we are working with Atheros to open up more possibilities with regards to reflashing the chip, providing 'thin' firmwares that allow monitor/injection modes etc. Any help is appreciated, bug reports with clear reproduction steps are very helpful too. Best Regards, Wolfgang On Oct 2, 2008, at 9:19 PM, vale wrote: > > calm down, > > its a fact, that freerunners wlan is far away from optimum. > > try a wget shortly after doing ifup eth0 -> everything works > try wget some minutes later (no suspend/resume in between) from same > server > -> no download, even if ping still works > ifdown eth0, ifup eth0 -> wget works again > > same with opkg install, update, upgrade etc. > > under 2007.2, 2008.08, debian ... > > -> wlan drivers not working well > > i think this should also be a high priority aspect to work on for > Openmoko. > > bye > > vale > > Stroller-2 wrote: >> >> >> On 1 Oct 2008, at 12:28, Nishit Dave wrote: >>> >>> All this discussion does not help if you realize that even after >>> placing the FR *next* to the blooming router, you get reported a >>> signal strength of 65%. What does the hardware expect, building the >>> router *inside* the FR? >> >> Nishit, >> >> The company that sold you your Freerunner offered you refund, >> already. >> >> I assumed that you would take this, leave the list and STOP FUCKING >> WHINING. >> >> I guess this was too much for me to hope for, huh? >> >> Stroller. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > > -- > View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-2008.9--Wifi-very-unreliable-tp1128409p1133869.html > Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From openmoko at ginguppin.de Thu Oct 2 21:13:23 2008 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:13:23 +0200 Subject: [debian] moving installation from sd card to flash Message-ID: a few questions: - to move an installation from sd card to flash: is it sensible/sufficient to delete everything from flash and copy from sd card? creating a jffs image and flash it to the fr seems rather long-winded. - to those havin debian in flash: what do you have in flash what on sd? my debian uses about 600mb which is clearly too much for the 256mb flash -- but what should (eg for better performance) reside in flash? - what about the suspend/resume corruption? running from sd entirely never caused any problems, but that might change when running from flash -- and since the apm suspend/resume scripts are not executed, the workarounds form 200X.Y are pretty useless. From david at electric-spoon.com Thu Oct 2 21:32:35 2008 From: david at electric-spoon.com (David Pottage) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:32:35 +0100 Subject: Suspend vs. Lock vs. Screen Off In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E521D3.5020903@electric-spoon.com> Jason Cawood wrote: > I'm using the latest FDOM, I believe it's based on 2008.09. My question is > what is the fundamental difference between pressing the power button to > cause the phone to suspend, pressing the aux button to make the phone lock > the screen and not pressing any buttons and letting the software timeout. > Mainly, I'm interested in battery life and how each action reduces power > consumption. > When the device suspends Linux gets suspended to RAM in the same way as you can suspend most laptops. In this state the CPU and memory use very little power. The GSM module and parts of the chipset remain powered, so you should will still receive incoming calls and SMS messages. The idea is that the Main CPU will wake up if it receves and interupt from the GSM module, the power key or from varous other sources, but the rest of the time it will be suspended and use little power. This creates the illusion of being always on, but in fact only being on when the user is trying to use the device. Most modern GSM handsets work in the same way. If you leave the device without pressing any buttons the screen backlight will go out. This saves a substantial amount of power but not as much as suspending. Depending on your settings, your freerunner may suspend after a time with the backlight out. Pressing the Aux key to lock the screen does just that. The phone will turn out the back light or suspend according to it's settings. -- David Pottage From jayv at synth.net Thu Oct 2 19:15:17 2008 From: jayv at synth.net (Jay Vaughan) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:15:17 +0200 Subject: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable In-Reply-To: References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200810011035.12348.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> <3e29d8b00810010428v1385400cid0910c6b9ce55bfc@mail.gmail.com> <1222953570078-1133869.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: > As much as I love my FR, I must admit that the whole experience had > me thinking lustful thoughts about my wife's iPhone... I would say just get an iPhone. I did. Its much more fun to develop for a *platform* rather than a constant dogs-breakfast of disaster. Until someone in the Freerunner world turns the thing into a stable platform, its just going to go on and on forever with nothing ever being fixed, stably, and dependably. I mean, give me a break. Its October, and people are *still* wrestling with WLAN configuration. Can you hackers not see how stupid it is to be fussing with 'pretty stuff' when the most basic things don't even work? I've given up on Freerunner development. Until there is a stable image that provides an Operating System (what we have now: Inoperable) its just not worth the fuss. The Freerunner project has been murdered, in my opinion, by hobby horsing hackers who have nothing but hatred for the end users that *could* be using the thing. ; -- Jay Vaughan From denisgalvao at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 21:37:10 2008 From: denisgalvao at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Denis_Galv=E3o?=) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:37:10 -0300 Subject: [debian] Top bar does not appear In-Reply-To: References: <51567089-326C-42ED-AC0D-AD059E1866EC@gmail.com> <48E4E991.3070509@gmx.net> Message-ID: <2CD7A6C4-75FC-45F2-814A-79510E52A46B@gmail.com> Thanks Arne. I got the point. (At least I think i got it) But why you refer to Debian/FSO? Is the arm repo mainteined by the FSO team? OM does not use FSO? Im kind lost on all terminology... Thanks, -- Denis On 02/10/2008, at 16:04, arne anka wrote: >> Running OM2008.8 I cant start an xterm session, how could I do it? > > 2008.8 != debian/fso > >> I just installed xfce4, it is runnig well, but slowly... >> >> How could I start OM2008.8 with zhone and the openmoko-panel-plugin >> at >> start up? > > not at all afaik. > 2008.8 is one distribution for freerunner, debain/fso another. > zhone belongs to fso. > openmoko-panel-plugin otoh requires xfce or a compatible > windowmanager. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From denisgalvao at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 21:38:57 2008 From: denisgalvao at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Denis_Galv=E3o?=) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:38:57 -0300 Subject: [debian] Top bar does not appear In-Reply-To: References: <51567089-326C-42ED-AC0D-AD059E1866EC@gmail.com> <48E4E991.3070509@gmx.net> Message-ID: BTW What I wanna mean is if it is possible to have the openmoko-panel- plugin running on the zhone-session, the default one for Debian on freerunner. Thanks, -- Denis On 02/10/2008, at 16:04, arne anka wrote: >> Running OM2008.8 I cant start an xterm session, how could I do it? > > 2008.8 != debian/fso > >> I just installed xfce4, it is runnig well, but slowly... >> >> How could I start OM2008.8 with zhone and the openmoko-panel-plugin >> at >> start up? > > not at all afaik. > 2008.8 is one distribution for freerunner, debain/fso another. > zhone belongs to fso. > openmoko-panel-plugin otoh requires xfce or a compatible > windowmanager. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From nomeata at debian.org Thu Oct 2 21:49:02 2008 From: nomeata at debian.org (Joachim Breitner) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:49:02 +0200 Subject: Debian installer internal error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1222976942.3450.19.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net> Hi, Am Donnerstag, den 02.10.2008, 17:30 +0000 schrieb Matthias Camenzind: > I tried four times to install debian on a 2GB SD. I installed once a working fine debian but I've broken the SD card. Now I get always this error: > P: Configuring helper cdebootstrap-helper-apt > E: Internal error: install > > Exists something i could do? thanks for trying out Debian. I quote the FAQ from http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner: During the "debian" stage of the install, what does "E: Internal error: install" mean and how do I fix it? * One possible cause is a problem with the armel packages in Debian. Check /mnt/debian/var/log/bootstrap.log for dependency problems or the like. * If corrupt packages appear, then it might be related to the microSD card used in the installation, as explained in the discussion at the smartphones-standards. Other information are available in the upstream bug. So please check the bootstrap.log, it might help you on. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim "nomeata" Breitner Debian Developer nomeata at debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: nomeata at joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/0a086089/attachment.pgp From openmoko at ginguppin.de Thu Oct 2 21:53:35 2008 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:53:35 +0200 Subject: [debian] Top bar does not appear In-Reply-To: <2CD7A6C4-75FC-45F2-814A-79510E52A46B@gmail.com> References: <51567089-326C-42ED-AC0D-AD059E1866EC@gmail.com> <48E4E991.3070509@gmx.net> <2CD7A6C4-75FC-45F2-814A-79510E52A46B@gmail.com> Message-ID: > But why you refer to Debian/FSO? Is the arm repo mainteined by the FSO > team? no. but fso has it's own life independent of debian -- otoh debian on fr makes only sense when using fso. > OM does not use FSO? not yet. it is supposed to be the next step (internally) -- but afaik the 200X.Y tagged distributions do not use it. > Im kind lost on all terminology... well, it _is_ a bit confusing, but the wiki has at least one page explaining the different terms and their relationships. From openmoko at ginguppin.de Thu Oct 2 21:59:53 2008 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:59:53 +0200 Subject: [debian] Top bar does not appear In-Reply-To: References: <51567089-326C-42ED-AC0D-AD059E1866EC@gmail.com> <48E4E991.3070509@gmx.net> Message-ID: > BTW What I wanna mean is if it is possible to have the openmoko-panel- > plugin running on the zhone-session, the default one for Debian on > freerunner. if you have _only_ zhone running (ie no xfce or what desktop/window manager ever), the answer is no. if you use xfce and start zhone as application inside -- add it to xfce's autostarts. /usr/bin/zhone-session is simple script calling zhone, matchbox-keyboard-toggle and the matchbox wm. comment everything out (you might leave matchbox-keyboard-toggle to acces the keyboard when pressing aux) and put startxfce4 at the end. mine looks like this: #!/bin/sh matchbox-keyboard-toggle & /usr/bin/startxfce4 and i have zhone and openmoko-panel-plugin as autostarts in xfce. From denisgalvao at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 22:02:43 2008 From: denisgalvao at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Denis_Galv=E3o?=) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:02:43 -0300 Subject: [debian] Top bar does not appear In-Reply-To: References: <51567089-326C-42ED-AC0D-AD059E1866EC@gmail.com> <48E4E991.3070509@gmx.net> <2CD7A6C4-75FC-45F2-814A-79510E52A46B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53E4B73F-792D-4BCA-BA33-A4A708C5DE72@gmail.com> On 02/10/2008, at 16:53, arne anka wrote: > no. > but fso has it's own life independent of debian -- otoh debian on fr > makes > only sense when using fso. So, the FSO are a bunch o deb packages for Debian to communicate with the Dbus. Right? > well, it _is_ a bit confusing, but the wiki has at least one page > explaining the different terms and their relationships. Im really "eating" the wiki, maybe this why Im confused. Will continue learning... Thanks, -- Denis Galv?o AsteriskBrasil.org Ajude a comunidade AsteriskBrasil.org, compre uma camiseta! http://www.voipmania.com.br From liedekef at telenet.be Thu Oct 2 22:03:01 2008 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:03:01 +0200 Subject: kernel for qt extended 4.4 In-Reply-To: <200810030008.55824.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> References: <200810022123.50102.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <20081002194323.35f8777a@laptop-vanek> <20081002202346.0c9e8639@telenet.be> <200810030008.55824.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081002220301.7d3f92b5@telenet.be> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 00:08:55 +0530 Kishore wrote: > On Thursday 02 Oct 2008 11:53:46 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200 > > > > Petr Vanek wrote: > > > No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i > > > presume if you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go. > > > > > > unless...I was also looking at the "services" screen or what it's > > > called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an > > > accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways. > > > > hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one, > > too many bugs (old and new): > > > > - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using > > uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the > > previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue? > > - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there > > in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed. > > - echo problem is back > > - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing "snooze" > > - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show > > up as "missed" > > > > The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I > > thought it was going to be 4.4.3? > > Yup! I have all of those issues you mention. Anyway, USB networking > is now working after i flashed mwester kernel. I am able to ssh but i > cannot connect to the internet. ping google.com gives me "ping: bad > address 'google.com'". > > I checked /etc/resolv.conf and it is empty. Fix the resolv issue by putting the line "nameserver A.B.C.D" in your /etc/resolv.conf (A.B.C.D being the IP of your own nameserver). Always needed for usb connections. But still ... too many issues found in 2 minutes of testing for this to be stable. Franky From malane at purdue.edu Thu Oct 2 22:04:37 2008 From: malane at purdue.edu (Matthew Lane) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:04:37 -0400 Subject: [FDOM] Kernel panic? Message-ID: <48E52955.1020306@purdue.edu> I'm getting a kernel panic when I flash the lastest FDOM (20080927). I'm using the latest 2008.9 kernel, could this be the issue? FDOM doesn't seem to supply a kernel to use, but I'd think that the 2008.09 kernel would be fine. From dsamblasomcommunity at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 22:15:40 2008 From: dsamblasomcommunity at gmail.com (David Samblas) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:15:40 +0200 Subject: [FDOM] Kernel panic? In-Reply-To: <48E52955.1020306@purdue.edu> References: <48E52955.1020306@purdue.edu> Message-ID: <1222978541.14415.9.camel@peregrintux> Hi Matthew please verify if you have downloaded the full file because sometimes the compartida.net server truncate the file to make sure you have downloaded use wget -c and the url of the file, or better use one of the mirrors of the wiki adn try again. El jue, 02-10-2008 a las 16:04 -0400, Matthew Lane escribi?: > I'm getting a kernel panic when I flash the lastest FDOM (20080927). > I'm using the latest 2008.9 kernel, could this be the issue? FDOM > doesn't seem to supply a kernel to use, but I'd think that the 2008.09 > kernel would be fine. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From mokowatch at projektenterprises.com Thu Oct 2 22:18:26 2008 From: mokowatch at projektenterprises.com (Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:18:26 -0700 Subject: [debian] Top bar does not appear In-Reply-To: <53E4B73F-792D-4BCA-BA33-A4A708C5DE72@gmail.com> References: <51567089-326C-42ED-AC0D-AD059E1866EC@gmail.com> <48E4E991.3070509@gmx.net> <2CD7A6C4-75FC-45F2-814A-79510E52A46B@gmail.com> <53E4B73F-792D-4BCA-BA33-A4A708C5DE72@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E52C92.1090507@projektenterprises.com> Denis Galv?o wrote: > On 02/10/2008, at 16:53, arne anka wrote: > > >> no. >> but fso has it's own life independent of debian -- otoh debian on fr >> makes >> only sense when using fso. >> > > So, the FSO are a bunch o deb packages for Debian to communicate with > the Dbus. Right? > > >> well, it _is_ a bit confusing, but the wiki has at least one page >> explaining the different terms and their relationships. >> > > Im really "eating" the wiki, maybe this why Im confused. > > Will continue learning... > > Thanks, > -- > Denis Galv?o > AsteriskBrasil.org > > Ajude a comunidade AsteriskBrasil.org, compre uma camiseta! > http://www.voipmania.com.br > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > I'll go down the list to give a quick overview where possible. FSO is a framework distribution. It is not actually related to debian specifically. Debian made its port of the armv4 branch compatible and added the FSO packages to make it run on the FR. FSO can actually be run as it's own system without Debian installed. OM200X.Y are distributions focused more on creating the UI for the phone. If it can be done in FSO it might not be in OM and vice-versa. The other distributions haven't come up in this thread so I'll not add any additional confusion by talking about any other software for the phone. -Shawn From vclark at globalera.com Thu Oct 2 22:17:22 2008 From: vclark at globalera.com (Vince M. Clark) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:17:22 -0600 (MDT) Subject: kernel for qt extended 4.4 In-Reply-To: <20081002220301.7d3f92b5@telenet.be> Message-ID: <17760163.2801222978642007.JavaMail.root@collab> I switched a setting to make the menus do the wheel thing (didn't realize what I was doing when I selected it) and now I cannot select anything. Touchscreen doesn't respond to selection on the wheel. So now I can't get to settings, apps, etc. Guess I'll re-flash. While I was able to get to apps I don't recall seeing the webkit browser or a GPS app. Am I missing something? I agree, not quite stable yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Franky Van Liedekerke" To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 2:03:01 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4 On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 00:08:55 +0530 Kishore wrote: > On Thursday 02 Oct 2008 11:53:46 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200 > > > > Petr Vanek wrote: > > > No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i > > > presume if you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go. > > > > > > unless...I was also looking at the "services" screen or what it's > > > called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an > > > accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways. > > > > hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one, > > too many bugs (old and new): > > > > - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using > > uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the > > previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue? > > - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there > > in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed. > > - echo problem is back > > - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing "snooze" > > - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show > > up as "missed" > > > > The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I > > thought it was going to be 4.4.3? > > Yup! I have all of those issues you mention. Anyway, USB networking > is now working after i flashed mwester kernel. I am able to ssh but i > cannot connect to the internet. ping google.com gives me "ping: bad > address 'google.com'". > > I checked /etc/resolv.conf and it is empty. Fix the resolv issue by putting the line "nameserver A.B.C.D" in your /etc/resolv.conf (A.B.C.D being the IP of your own nameserver). Always needed for usb connections. But still ... too many issues found in 2 minutes of testing for this to be stable. Franky _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/c610285e/attachment.htm From mokowatch at projektenterprises.com Thu Oct 2 22:38:48 2008 From: mokowatch at projektenterprises.com (Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:38:48 -0700 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: <7745977.2761222972151134.JavaMail.root@collab> References: <7745977.2761222972151134.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: <48E53158.4000803@projektenterprises.com> Vince M. Clark wrote: > No it is definitely the power button (the round one below the usb > plug) staying lit red. I'm running the FSO image. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Angus Ainslie" > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" > > Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 12:28:19 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver > Subject: Re: dead battery > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Vince M. Clark > wrote: > > I ran down to Batteries Plus and picked up a Rayovac replacement > that fits. It doesn't come charged but has enough charge to at > least jump start my fr. I put in the new battery, plugged in the > usb cable, and was able to boot. > > Then I took out the Rayovac battery and put the original battery > back in. Device stayed running and I am hoping the battery is > charging. The power button is staying illuminated and is red. Any > idea what that means? > > > I think you mean the AUX button is staying lit. That means its charging. > > The power button is the round one. > > Angus > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > If you're running FSO the Power button turns orange while charging where in ASU the AUX button lights while charging. -Shawn From neiljerram at googlemail.com Thu Oct 2 23:06:17 2008 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:06:17 +0100 Subject: [debian] going to install - hints? In-Reply-To: <18db98c80810020540x569b3381k63e4a9256ae75f76@mail.gmail.com> References: <18db98c80810020207y79dbbd8cj3223f1679a52c176@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620810020404v54d77e1cs86726d2625fb6778@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80810020540x569b3381k63e4a9256ae75f76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49dd78620810021406j4a1028f0i7249e439eaa83c7f@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/2 Davide Scaini : > and what about the boot speed-up script: is that useful? Sorry, I haven't tried that, so can't say. Neil From lpotter at trolltech.com Fri Oct 3 00:18:21 2008 From: lpotter at trolltech.com (Lorn Potter) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:18:21 +1000 Subject: How to build qt-extended? In-Reply-To: <359c5480810020621y1a92cbc8sc198253f6a44a481@mail.gmail.com> References: <359c5480810020621y1a92cbc8sc198253f6a44a481@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E548AD.8080709@trolltech.com> Nicola Mfb wrote: > I'm trying to build qt-extended myself, but build process fails, anyone > may help? > > This is what i did: > > cd /opt > wget http://qtextended.org/downloads/neo/arm920t-eabi-ficgta01-toolchain.tgz > tar xzvfC arm920t-eabi-ficgta01-toolchain.tgz / > wget > http://qtextended.org/downloads/source/qt-extended-opensource-src-4.4.1.tar.gz > tar xvzf qt-extended-opensource-src-4.4.1.tar.gz > mkdir build > cd build > export QTOPIA_DEPOT_PATH=/opt/qt-extended-4.4.1 > $QTOPIA_DEPOT_PATH/configure -device neo > > it results in: > > > ******************************************************************************* > Configuring Qt Extended (expanded commandline): > -using-device neo -ui-type mobile -dynamic-rotation -ssl -dbus -libamr > -pictureflow -add-mediaengines cruxus -add-modules bluetooth > -add-modules cell > -add-modules connectivity -add-modules devtools -add-modules essentials > -add-modules games -add-modules inputmethods -add-modules location > -add-modules > media -add-modules messaging -add-modules pim -add-modules pkgmanagement > -add-modules telephony -add-modules ui -displaysize 480x640 -font > dejavu_sans_condensed:10,12,13,16,28:50 -font > dejavu_sans_condensed:13,14,15,16,20,21,23,32,36:75 -xplatform linux-neo-g++ > -arch arm -languages en_US -prefix /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia > -extra-qtopiacore-config -qt-mouse-tslib -sound-system alsa -mkconf -make > /usr/bin/gmake -no-save-options -make /usr/bin/gmake -using-mkconf > -no-save-options > ******************************************************************************* > > > This is the Qt Extended Open Source Edition. > > You are licensed to use this software under the terms of the GPL. > Please see the file LICENSE.GPL for the licensing terms. > > Type 'yes' to accept this license offer. > Type 'no' to decline this license offer. > > Do you accept this license agreement? yes > > Testing the system Qt: OK > Qt Extended is using the following locations: > Qt PREFIX = /usr > Qt LIBRARIES = /usr/lib/qt4 > Qt BINARIES = /usr/bin > Qt HEADERS = /usr/include/qt4 > Qt Embedded SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1/qtopiacore/qt > Qt Embedded BUILD tree = /opt/build/qtopiacore/target > Qt Extended SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1 > Qt Extended BUILD tree = /opt/build > Qt Extended SDK tree = /opt/build/sdk > > Checking the compiler (host): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian) > Checking the compiler (target): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian) > Bootstrap QBuild: ............................... OK > Testing QBuild: OK > Testing for ALSA: OK > Testing Qt Extended Media Engines: cruxus > Checking QMAKE_RPATH: -Wl,-rpath-link, > Testing for OpenSSL: FAIL > ERROR: You requested -ssl but it was disabled. > gmake: *** [src/build/mkconf/configure] Error 1 > > adding -no-ssl switch to configure line: > > > ******************************************************************************* > Configuring Qt Extended (expanded commandline): > -using-device neo -ui-type mobile -dynamic-rotation -ssl -dbus -libamr > -pictureflow -add-mediaengines cruxus -add-modules bluetooth > -add-modules cell > -add-modules connectivity -add-modules devtools -add-modules essentials > -add-modules games -add-modules inputmethods -add-modules location > -add-modules > media -add-modules messaging -add-modules pim -add-modules pkgmanagement > -add-modules telephony -add-modules ui -displaysize 480x640 -font > dejavu_sans_condensed:10,12,13,16,28:50 -font > dejavu_sans_condensed:13,14,15,16,20,21,23,32,36:75 -xplatform linux-neo-g++ > -arch arm -languages en_US -prefix /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia > -extra-qtopiacore-config -qt-mouse-tslib -sound-system alsa -no-ssl -mkconf > -make /usr/bin/gmake -no-save-options -make /usr/bin/gmake -using-mkconf > -no-save-options > ******************************************************************************* > > > This is the Qt Extended Open Source Edition. > > You are licensed to use this software under the terms of the GPL. > Please see the file LICENSE.GPL for the licensing terms. > > Type 'yes' to accept this license offer. > Type 'no' to decline this license offer. > > Do you accept this license agreement? yes > > Testing the system Qt: OK > Qt Extended is using the following locations: > Qt PREFIX = /usr > Qt LIBRARIES = /usr/lib/qt4 > Qt BINARIES = /usr/bin > Qt HEADERS = /usr/include/qt4 > Qt Embedded SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1/qtopiacore/qt > Qt Embedded BUILD tree = /opt/build/qtopiacore/target > Qt Extended SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1 > Qt Extended BUILD tree = /opt/build > Qt Extended SDK tree = /opt/build/sdk > > Checking the compiler (host): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian) > Checking the compiler (target): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian) > Bootstrap QBuild: ............................... OK > Testing QBuild: OK > Testing for ALSA: OK > Testing Qt Extended Media Engines: cruxus > Checking QMAKE_RPATH: -Wl,-rpath-link, > Testing for dynamic rotation: OK > Testing DBUS: OK > Checking for PAGE_SIZE and PAGE_MASK: MISSING > WARNING: QSharedMemoryCache will not throw away unused pages > Testing for strict warning flags your compiler accepts: -Wall > -Woverloaded-virtual > Testing for V4L2: OK > Testing for prctl(): OK > Testing for semtimedop: OK > Testing for __malloc_hook: OK > > Running configure (qtopiacore)... > /opt/build/src/build/bin/pkgconfig:/opt/toolchains/arm920t-eabi/bin:/usr/kde/3.5/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.1.2:/usr/qt/3/bin:/usr/games/bin:/opt/vmware/server/bin:/opt/vmware/server/console/bin > configure -embedded arm -platform linux-g++ -xplatform > /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1/devices/neo/mkspecs/qws/linux-neo-g++ -prefix > /opt/build/sdk/qtopiacore/target -make src -make tools -no-stl > -no-exceptions -no-xmlpatterns -no-qt3support -no-glib -no-cups -no-dbus > -no-accessibility -nomake examples -nomake demos -nomake docs > -DQT_QWS_DISABLE_FLUSHCLIPPING -confirm-license -depths 8,16,18,24,32 > -qconfig qpe -DQT_NO_PLUGIN_CHECK -DQT_EXTERNAL_SOUND_SERVER > -DQT_QWS_KEYEVENT_SINGLECLIENT -force-pkg-config -no-sql-ibase > -no-sql-mysql -no-sql-odbc -no-sql-psql -no-sql-sqlite -no-sql-sqlite2 > -qt-sql-sqlite -release -no-gfx-qvfb -no-mouse-qvfb -no-kbd-qvfb -qt-gif > -DMEDIA_SERVER -no-separate-debug-info -no-openssl > -DQT_KEYPAD_NAVIGATION -dbus -qt-gfx-transformed > -DQT_QWS_DYNAMIC_TRANSFORMATION -DQT_QWS_CLIENTBLIT -little-endian > -qt-mouse-tslib > > > Preparing build tree... > > > > > You are licensed to use this software under the terms of > the GNU General Public License (GPL) versions 2 or 3. > > > Creating qmake. Please wait... > > Building on: linux-g++ > Building for: /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1/devices/neo/mkspecs/qws/linux-neo-g++ > Architecture: arm > Host architecture: i386 > > Build ............... src tools libs > Configuration ....... cross_compile release shared dll embedded > largefile precompile_header exceptions_off embedded reduce_exports ipv6 > clock-gettime clock-monotonic mremap getaddrinfo ipv6ifname getifaddrs > inotify png gif freetype zlib dbus svg webkit release > Debug ............... no > Qt 3 compatibility .. no > QtDBus module ....... yes (run-time) > QtXmlPatterns module no > Phonon module ....... no > SVG module .......... yes > WebKit module ....... yes > WebKit in Assistant no > STL support ......... no > PCH support ......... yes > MMX/3DNOW/SSE/SSE2.. no/no/no/no > iWMMXt support ...... no > IPv6 support ........ yes > IPv6 ifname support . yes > getaddrinfo support . yes > getifaddrs support .. yes > Accessibility ....... no > NIS support ......... no > CUPS support ........ no > Iconv support ....... no > Glib support ........ no > GStreamer support ... no > Large File support .. yes > GIF support ......... yes > TIFF support ........ plugin (qt) > JPEG support ........ plugin (qt) > PNG support ......... yes (qt) > MNG support ......... plugin (qt) > zlib support ........ yes > Embedded support .... arm > Freetype2 support ... auto (yes) > Graphics (qt) ....... linuxfb multiscreen transformed > Graphics (plugin) ... > Decorations (qt) .... styled windows default > Decorations (plugin) > Keyboard driver (qt). tty > Keyboard driver (plugin) > Mouse driver (qt) ... pc linuxtp tslib > Mouse driver (plugin) > OpenGL support ...... no > SQLite support ...... qt (qt) > OpenSSL support ..... no > > Finding project files. Please wait... > 196 projects found. > > Creating makefiles. Please wait... > WARNING: Failure to find: ../skin.cpp > WARNING: Failure to find: ../skin.h > > > > > Testing for Qt Embedded dbus support: OK > Testing for bluetooth: OK > > Finding Projects... > Writing 446 Makefiles... > > > Qt Extended has been configured. You can build Qt Extended by running > bin/qbuild. > > If you run bin/qbuild image, this will setup a runnable image in > /opt/build/image. > > As configured, Qt Extended MUST be run from /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia. If > this is > not where you intend to run Qt Extended from you should set the location by > running configure -prefix /opt/Qtopia. > > Now i did ./bin/qbuild and got immediately: > > > Qtopia has been built. > > You must now install Qtopia by running 'bin/qbuild image'. > This will put the files required to run Qtopia into the image: > /opt/build/image > > Nothing to be done for "default > > But it was not compiled! > > what did i miss? I just need to update the toolchain at qtextended.org. Will try to get this done today or soon. > > Nicola > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd From malane at purdue.edu Fri Oct 3 00:44:30 2008 From: malane at purdue.edu (Matthew) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:44:30 -0400 Subject: [FDOM] Kernel panic? In-Reply-To: <1222978541.14415.9.camel@peregrintux> References: <48E52955.1020306@purdue.edu> <1222978541.14415.9.camel@peregrintux> Message-ID: <48E54ECE.2030409@purdue.edu> David Samblas wrote: > Hi Matthew please verify if you have downloaded the full file because > sometimes the compartida.net server truncate the file to make sure you > have downloaded use wget -c and the url of the file, or better use one > of the mirrors of the wiki adn try again. > > > El jue, 02-10-2008 a las 16:04 -0400, Matthew Lane escribi?: > >> I'm getting a kernel panic when I flash the lastest FDOM (20080927). >> I'm using the latest 2008.9 kernel, could this be the issue? FDOM >> doesn't seem to supply a kernel to use, but I'd think that the 2008.09 >> kernel would be fine. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > > Alright, will do. Thanks. From steve at openmoko.com Fri Oct 3 00:54:12 2008 From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:54:12 -0700 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <32248ff96222b977d66ba8a0c9e631e5@localhost> References: <48E4F8E6.9010908@openmoko.com> <32248ff96222b977d66ba8a0c9e631e5@localhost> Message-ID: <48E55114.6080108@openmoko.com> I suppose I could compile a list of the academic books done on SMS, contact the authors, and see if they are willing to cough up the data. For oneline dictionaries with no frequency data you have several dictionaries, like http://www.netlingo.com/emailsh.cfm Have not found any downloadable lists with freq data. Joel Newkirk wrote: > On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:37:58 -0700, Steve Mosher > wrote: >> I used to have a bunch of them when I was doing a NLG ( natural Language >> generation) pet project. I sent you a link to US names as well. from the >> US census. >> For personal dictionaries, people could just run a simple word frequency >> analysis on their archived email,( there are GPL programs that do this >> I believe, but its dead easy to write yourself) and import their email >> contacts into the database. >> ( speeling mistakes might require some work, like the one I just did) >> If you had access to archived chats or chat logs you could pick up >> things like LOL, PITA, etc, or logs of SMS. There are some studies on >> word frequency in SMS but I havent found a online resource. >> > > I was thinking of a quickie program to scan the ~/.bash_history on my > desktop and generate frequency data for command names... ;) Take > everything up to the first space, strip off any path, count and insert in > dict. (unfortunately the command history on the FR is by default VERY VERY > short, I've not investigated how to extend it) > > More useful would be if someone can scare up a thorough list of common SMS > shorthand, like 'cul8r' and what-not. (don't know how that'd work out > though, with numeric characters embedded) > > j > > From azmodie at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 01:01:25 2008 From: azmodie at gmail.com (azmodie) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 00:01:25 +0100 Subject: gsmhandset state file to test In-Reply-To: <48E49CAE.7020803@projektenterprises.com> References: <1222859306.10429.283.camel@peregrintux> <48E49CAE.7020803@projektenterprises.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson < mokowatch at projektenterprises.com> wrote: > David Samblas wrote: > > Hi there on of our colleges[1] of the spanish list has provided us with > > an gsmhanset state file that "solves" low volume on call reciver , I > > have barelly tested it alone with a phone en each ear :). I will test it > > further along the day and post the results, any one else willing to try > > is wellcome to do it. > > > > from neo or ssh console > > cd /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ > > mv gsmhandset.state gsmhandset.state.original > > wget http://n2.nabble.com/attachment/1129707/0/gsmhandset.state > > > > [1]The original post > > http://n2.nabble.com/-Fwd%3A-eco-y-audio--tc1129707ef1958.html > > > I been using this for last couple of days. definatley makes a big improvment. call from my side seems fine and other person could hear me clearly. although there was a constant buzz. the buzz is quiet and sounds a bit like signal interference. thanks for posting. azmodie http://www.thelinuxsociety.org.uk -- " Due to the speed of light being faster than the speed of sound people often look bright until they speak" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081003/50912826/attachment.htm From lpotter at trolltech.com Fri Oct 3 01:16:45 2008 From: lpotter at trolltech.com (Lorn Potter) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:16:45 +1000 Subject: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4 In-Reply-To: <20081002202346.0c9e8639@telenet.be> References: <200810022123.50102.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <359c5480810020910o4e398d48g8b80073561bc7bfc@mail.gmail.com> <200810022154.15884.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <20081002194323.35f8777a@laptop-vanek> <20081002202346.0c9e8639@telenet.be> Message-ID: <48E5565D.4020000@trolltech.com> Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200 > Petr Vanek wrote: > >> >> No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i presume if >> you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go. >> >> unless...I was also looking at the "services" screen or what it's >> called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an >> accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways. >> > > hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one, too > many bugs (old and new): > > - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using > uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the > previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue? yes, this has nothng to do with qtextended. > - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there > in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed. hmmm... indeed. sorry. I will update with a new image. > - echo problem is back odd. > - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing "snooze" > - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show up > as "missed" also odd. I haven't seen this. > > The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I > thought it was going to be 4.4.3? Thats because its really a snapshot. which is just 4.4.1 + a few bug fixes. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd From jonathan at imatix.com Fri Oct 3 01:23:03 2008 From: jonathan at imatix.com (Jonathan Schultz) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:23:03 +1200 Subject: Installing QT extended on SD Message-ID: <48E557D7.6030206@imatix.com> I've tried to install Qt extended 4.4 onto my SD, so I still have Qt 4.3 to fall back on until I'm satisfied with 4.4 What happens when I boot is that the kernel appears to boot correctly and I can connect via USP but the display manager never starts. I can however see that qpe is working hard, as is hald, but not at all clear what they are doing. Possible issues that I can see: Converting the jffs2 image into a tarball, I could find no clear instructions. I mounted the image via a loopback device and created a tarball using: > tar -czf ~/qtopia-4.4.1-gta02-rootfs-10011058.tar.gz /* I can imagine that there may be some other options to the tar command that may resolve some issue. The other potential problem that I can see is that Qt wants to be installed on a flash chip. I applied the fix described here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia#Pointing_Qtopia_to_the_SD_Card However it's not clear that the same fix works for Qt extended. Any suggestions? Jonathan From steve at openmoko.com Fri Oct 3 01:27:46 2008 From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:27:46 -0700 Subject: Neo FreeRunner CAD files In-Reply-To: <4828789F5D604B829612729FCA536B6A@HugoDellD520> References: <4828789F5D604B829612729FCA536B6A@HugoDellD520> Message-ID: <48E558F2.2050307@openmoko.com> They are ProE. ( Also IGES) STEP files too I think If you have autodesk inventor you Should be able to import these ( I have not independently verified this so YMMV) http://newsletters.hagerman.com/newsletters/ebul59-Mech.htm Not sure if that helps you. If you post to the community list http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/ You may find that some people have done conversions. Hugo Saito wrote: > Hello, > > my co-worker and I purchased a Neo FreeRunner last July and trying view the CAD files on your site. What file type are these CAD file? They are appear to some sort of Mac OSX type. Unable to open them on autocad, just wanted to ask what type of CAD files they are so I can fine the appropriate software to open them. Thanks. > > Respectfully, > > Hugo Saito > Project Engineer > Horton Automation Inc. > 8676 Commerce Court > Burnaby, B.C. V5A 4N7 > Tel: 604-421-0110 > Fax: 604-421-0115 > www.horton-automation.com From michele.renda at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 01:35:05 2008 From: michele.renda at gmail.com (Michele Renda) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 01:35:05 +0200 Subject: [debian] Sephora 0.2 pre alpha 1 - Impressions and suggestions needed Message-ID: <48E55AA9.80208@gmail.com> Hello I have a (bit) improved version of Sephora. It is still an alpha version, and is very far to be complete and fully running. I will release more alpha to keep you informed about the changes. You can find the .deb package here: https://launchpad.net/sephora/+download About the sources: I will start to work in a decent deb-src, but for now you can download the sources from the bazaar repository of the project I worked more on GPS and Phone info (a bit more). I am still searching for suggestion (I want to trasform my FR to the Gadget of Star Trek) Realy, try it and report everything! :) Homework: Adding more tabs I saw that the program start to become a bit slower. I worked on the code, and now I have to take some design decision. The program can be launched from console with the parameter --preload : With this parameters the start will become slower but the first panel switch will be very fast. Without --preload the program start will be faster, but the first switch will be a bit slower. I would like to know what you prefer to use. The version 0.1 was by default with --preload. Ah... try also --language=xx where xx is it, en, ro (and soon may be other languages :) So... enjoy! Michele Renda From ml at e4net.com Fri Oct 3 01:37:14 2008 From: ml at e4net.com (Jim Morris) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:37:14 -0700 Subject: How to build qt-extended? In-Reply-To: References: <359c5480810020621y1a92cbc8sc198253f6a44a481@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E55B2A.8080408@e4net.com> C?dric Berger wrote: >> OpenSSL support ..... no >> >> > > Is the SSL support activated in the released image on qtextended.org ? > I guess it is still needed for ie. encrypted IMAP ? It is activated in the released image. At least I can set the encryption on my email account. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com From raster at rasterman.com Fri Oct 3 01:34:28 2008 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:34:28 +1000 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <48E4F8E6.9010908@openmoko.com> References: <20081002134603.72ba260c.raster@rasterman.com> <48E47F58.3050006@openmoko.com> <20081002192720.1999899b.raster@rasterman.com> <48E4F8E6.9010908@openmoko.com> Message-ID: <20081003093428.75b1b5fb.raster@rasterman.com> On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:37:58 -0700 Steve Mosher babbled: > I used to have a bunch of them when I was doing a NLG ( natural Language > generation) pet project. I sent you a link to US names as well. from the > US census. > For personal dictionaries, people could just run a simple word frequency > analysis on their archived email,( there are GPL programs that do this > I believe, but its dead easy to write yourself) and import their email > contacts into the database. in fact that is the idea of the "3" dictionaries the keyboard has. it has "system" (which is base language - eg english), personal (any words they type in at all go in here - they inherit frequency they had before but now gain in count as they get used more), and.. "generated" dictionary - ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/data.dic - this file is expected to be regularly generated from the users sms's, emails, contact list etc. containing words from their every-day activity - so that friend with a strange name... gets their name into the dictionary pool this way. :) > ( speeling mistakes might require some work, like the one I just did) > If you had access to archived chats or chat logs you could pick up > things like LOL, PITA, etc, or logs of SMS. There are some studies on > word frequency in SMS but I havent found a online resource. yup. and as above. the idea of the generated dictionary would be to capture these live as usage happens :) there's only so much hunting of data i can (and will) do as a developer. it's a never-ending game of "gather more data into dictionaries". i need to put in the mechanisms by which this is possible (already done) and leave it up to the vast pool of users to fill that in for each language, country, region etc. :) > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:59:20 -0700 Steve Mosher > > babbled: > > > > aha! a "decent" frequency corpus (a few thousand words). i'll merge this > > with the default us dict (and remove the small one as now that's useless). > > > >> Hey raster, How's it going. > >> > >> I promised you some frequency data a while back. > >> http://ucrel.lancs.ac.uk/bncfreq/flists.html > >> http://ucrel.lancs.ac.uk/bncfreq/lists/1_2_all_freq.txt > >> > >> there are others as well > >> > >> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > >>> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:05:53 -0600 "Ori Pessach" > >>> babbled: > >>> > >>>> I understand what it's doing. It's not doing it well. I tried it for > >>>> shell > >>> i disagree. it works like a charm for me - as per my previous mail - i can > >>> use it while walking down the street. more than i can say for pretty much > >>> any other virtual keyboard i have available to me. > >>> > >>>> input, and it was an unusable mess. I tried it for text messaging, and it > >>> why someone would use a language dictionary-based corrective keyboard for > >>> shell input beats me! in this case i call "silly user - using a motorcycle > >>> to deliver elephants" line :) use the terminal keyboard. use a stylus. > >>> thats what it was meant for. :) > >>> > >>>> was an unusable mess. It has no model of the likelihood of erroneous > >>>> input > >>> it does. it absolutely does. maybe your fingers are incredibly off-center? > >>> here is the algorithm (and if u don't believe me - code is there to be > >>> read): > >>> > >>> it stores a press POINT (x,y). it looks for all keys whose center point is > >>> WITHIN f distance of x,y (f being the fuzz value - the .kbd file for the > >>> qwerty Default keyboard is 135 units wide, with fuzz radius of 20, so > >>> that's about 1/3rd of the keyboard that it searches through for a likely > >>> match). likelihood factors (distance) per key found is allocated based on > >>> distance (0 == most likely, > 0 less likely the greater the value). each > >>> press is done this way EXCEPT if u hold for 0.25 sec then drag to select > >>> a key explicitly in zoom mode - then the ONLY key available for that word > >>> slot is that letter selected given a distance of 0. as you type all > >>> permutations of letters are searched and put into a list - with each > >>> permutation given a distance metric based on the letters used (simply > >>> addition of the distances). now this is combined with the dictionary's > >>> frequency metric (multiplied by an inverse) so the more likely the word > >>> is to be used the lower its distance becomes. words are sorted from most > >>> to least likely based on this metric then listed with most likely in the > >>> middle of the list, leas likely to the left/right ends - which you may > >>> not see. the vertical list lists all matches from most to least likely > >>> (top to bottom) with 1 exception - EXACTLY what u typed it as the top. it > >>> absolutely has a fairly good idea of likelihood of error and likelihood > >>> of usage of a word etc. etc. > >>> > >>> eg: > >>> > >>> Press | Guess+dist > >>> e e+0 w+1 r+2 d+2 s+1 > >>> r r+0 t+1 e+2 f+1 g+2 d+3 > >>> k k+0 l+1 o+2 i+3 j+3 > >>> d d+0 f+1 s+1 e+1 c+1 r+2 w+2 > >>> > >>> so "erkd" has distance 0 = but its not a word in the dictionary at all, so > >>> thrown out. "rwkd" has distance 1, but not a word, "srkd" same, "etkd", > >>> "efkd", "erld", etc. etc. > >>> > >>> in the end it produces a list where most likely "world" ends up the word > >>> with other options too - and this is a much simplified list. mostly the > >>> list for candidate letters per input letter is about 10-12 letters. so u > >>> have 12*12*12*12 permutations for a 4 letter word - of which a fraction > >>> of that space is legitimate words. each permutation has a likelihood > >>> value based on press distance and on frequency of usage of that word in > >>> language in general in the dictionary. > >>> > >>> mind you - i AM talking about illume's keyboard, its algorithms as is in > >>> the image i built. if you use something else i cannot comment as it's > >>> something else. > >>> > >>>> (relatively low) and instead appears to look for the word with the > >>>> closest minimum edit distance to the user's input. This is nuts. I have > >>>> never - > >>> it's not - as the edit distance is the likelihood of error. you likely > >>> press the key you want - or near it. thus keys near where you pressed are > >>> more likely than those further away. to limit search distance only up to a > >>> certain distance is searched. chances are that you do this: > >>> > >>> fingerprint: > >>> ___ > >>> /~~~\ > >>> |~~~| > >>> |~~~| > >>> \x/ > >>> " > >>> > >>> where "x" is the pressure point reported on the touchscreen. the only info > >>> the touchscreen reports is the pressure point - nothing else. you think u > >>> press somewhere else, but don't. you know what u pressed bu what key "pops > >>> up" that lets u know pretty well how good your pressing of the screen is. > >>> this is just a hardware limit of a resistive touchscreen. the point of > >>> greatest pressure is used - not the middle point of the area in which skin > >>> contacts the screen. get the gpe-sketchbook and try press with the flat of > >>> your finger and see just of far off your press point is. it may surprise > >>> you. > >>> > >>> as i said - it does have all the model and code and even data to do proper > >>> correction based on many factors. i do NOT have a dictionary with > >>> frequency info for all of english - there is a "small" english dict (5000 > >>> words) with some frequency info in it i managed to gather, but its very > >>> small. > >>> > >>> if you don't believe me - read the code, or do better. patches accepted, > >>> but i think the problem is just that the dictionary has no frequency info > >>> by default (a matter of simple lack of data) or how you press the screen. > >>> i suggest you pay close attention to how you type and see. yes the "black > >>> word" (in the black box) may not be always the word u want - but its most > >>> often that word or a word right next to it - as you use it it will learn. > >>> if you are using it for non-english stuff then you need a different > >>> dictionary. > >>> > >>>> literally - gotten the word I typed in. In the common use case, of a user > >>>> who enters a correct word, it invariably get it wrong. > >>>> > >>>> Understanding what it's doing doesn't make it less of a nuisance. > >>> it does have concept of frequency orf words. i just dont have any DATA for > >>> that. the dict format handles is: > >>> word1 > >>> word2 > >>> word3 > >>> > >>> OR > >>> word1 20 > >>> word2 434 > >>> word3 1 > >>> > >>> etc. > >>> look at the personal dict file. ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/personal.dic > >>> > >>> it saves usage frequency. this affects lookup likelihood. btw - for me it > >>> gets the word most of the time or the word is not the most likely but at > >>> least listed as one of the most likely. use it for a bit and it learns and > >>> gets better. if you wish to generate a dictionary with frequency info - > >>> please do so! i made it really easy. > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Openmoko community mailing list > >> community at lists.openmoko.org > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > >> > > > > > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From brenda_wang at openmoko.com Fri Oct 3 05:45:47 2008 From: brenda_wang at openmoko.com (BrendaWang) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:45:47 +0800 Subject: Wallpaper artist anyone ? In-Reply-To: <200809250926.27752.haduong@centre-cired.fr> References: <200809250926.27752.haduong@centre-cired.fr> Message-ID: <48E5956B.3090707@openmoko.com> Yes, I found this page get more picture today. And I like these design. :-) Welcome to join us. Brenda Minh Ha Duong ??: > I see the artists and the CAD engineers are hot this week and like it. May I > seize this opportunity to get your attention to: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Desktop_wallpaper_gallery > which is a place to share Openmoko-themed full-screen high-quality images. > So far we have only one, the "Blueprints" wallpaper. If you have other > beautiful images and need help with the wiki, I can help posting it. > > Yours, > Minh > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From kitts.mailinglists at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 06:08:06 2008 From: kitts.mailinglists at gmail.com (Kishore) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:38:06 +0530 Subject: kernel for qt extended 4.4 In-Reply-To: <20081002220301.7d3f92b5@telenet.be> References: <200810022123.50102.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <200810030008.55824.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <20081002220301.7d3f92b5@telenet.be> Message-ID: <200810030938.06487.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> On Friday 03 Oct 2008 1:33:01 am Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > > Yup! I have all of those issues you mention. Anyway, USB networking > > is now working after i flashed mwester kernel. I am able to ssh but i > > cannot connect to the internet. ping google.com gives me "ping: bad > > address 'google.com'". > > > > I checked /etc/resolv.conf and it is empty. > > Fix the resolv issue by putting the line "nameserver A.B.C.D" in > your /etc/resolv.conf (A.B.C.D being the IP of your own nameserver). > Always needed for usb connections. > But still ... too many issues found in 2 minutes of testing for this to > be stable. Yes thats what i did but i have to do this *every* time i connect even over wifi because the file seems to get overwritten. Something is wrong here as i use dhcp on the network and resolv.conf should automatically update to the gateway. It does seem to update but with a blank! -- Cheers! Kishore From kitts.mailinglists at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 06:30:20 2008 From: kitts.mailinglists at gmail.com (Kishore) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:00:20 +0530 Subject: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4 In-Reply-To: <48E5565D.4020000@trolltech.com> References: <200810022123.50102.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <20081002202346.0c9e8639@telenet.be> <48E5565D.4020000@trolltech.com> Message-ID: <200810031000.20666.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> On Friday 03 Oct 2008 4:46:45 am Lorn Potter wrote: > Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200 > > > > Petr Vanek wrote: > >> No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i presume if > >> you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go. > >> > >> unless...I was also looking at the "services" screen or what it's > >> called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an > >> accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways. > > > > hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one, too > > many bugs (old and new): > > > > - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using > > uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the > > previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue? > > yes, this has nothng to do with qtextended. I get plenty of errors with regard to splash plugin not found. Seems like there should have been a splash screen that is trying to be updated but then it does not exist. And yes, boot it still slow. > > - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there > > in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed. > > hmmm... > indeed. sorry. I will update with a new image. I hope it will be possible to just upgrade from the current install i just spent a few hours setting up the moko, transferring contacts etc. (My previous motoming phone does not have an export all feature) > > - echo problem is back > > odd. > > > - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing "snooze" > > - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show up > > as "missed" > > also odd. I haven't seen this. > > > The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I > > thought it was going to be 4.4.3? > > Thats because its really a snapshot. which is just 4.4.1 + a few bug fixes. I do not use the FR as my primary phone yet so have not tested how well it manages calls. Ps: Lorn, In your blog post for today, you mention dynamic rotation. Does that mean it adjusts based on accelerometer reading? I could only find one application where i had to tap on the screen to make it rotate. -- Cheers! Kishore From ato at meshy.org Fri Oct 3 06:39:46 2008 From: ato at meshy.org (Alex Osborne) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:39:46 +1000 Subject: [debian] Sephora 0.2 pre alpha 1 - Impressions and suggestions needed In-Reply-To: <48E55AA9.80208@gmail.com> References: <48E55AA9.80208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E5A212.8090208@meshy.org> Hi Michele, Michele Renda wrote: > About the sources: I will start to work in a decent deb-src, but for now > you can download the sources from the bazaar repository of the project Have you committed the latest version to bazaar? I couldn't see anything about --preload in there, so I extracted sephora.py from the deb instead. > Adding more tabs I saw that the program start to become a bit slower. I > worked on the code, and now I have to take some design decision. The > program can be launched from console with the parameter --preload : With > this parameters the start will become slower but the first panel switch > will be very fast. > Without --preload the program start will be faster, but the first switch > will be a bit slower. Is it slow because of all the DBUS calls done on startup? Maybe you could use asynchronous DBUS calls instead: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/doc/tutorial.html#making-asynchronous-method-calls That way you could fire off the calls to fetch all the information on startup but since they're asynchronous it won't block the program and the user can start doing stuff. When the information is returned from DBUS you can then update the widgets. Cheers, Alex From kitts.mailinglists at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 06:41:22 2008 From: kitts.mailinglists at gmail.com (Kishore) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:11:22 +0530 Subject: Is it bottle neck in X or the kernel? Message-ID: <200810031011.23105.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> My question here is: Is it X or is it the kernel that is the weak link that sometimes make the FR painfully slow to operate? I now have qtextended 4.4.1 installed with the 4.3.2 release's kernel and the UI is really fast! When i first flashed 4.4.1 rootfs, i still had the kernel from FDOM and while the UI was first on first boot it became slow over time. FDOM was slow from the start. Debian with XFCE OTOH was pretty fast and the change in kernel for qtextended made significant difference so i am thinking the slowness is likely kernel related. Now with qtextended i still have a somewhat flaky audio playback. I have not tried video! I would appreciate anyone throwing more light on the issue. -- Cheers! Kishore From vclark at globalera.com Fri Oct 3 06:46:53 2008 From: vclark at globalera.com (Vince M. Clark) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:46:53 -0600 (MDT) Subject: FDOM and WiFi Message-ID: <21503351.2871223009213004.JavaMail.root@collab> Using Mofi I can see my access point and when I tap on "connect to AP" it seems to connect (the circle changes from grey to orange) but I don't see an IP address. If I open a terminal and run ifconfig all I have is eth0, lo, and usb0. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/606b39a5/attachment.htm From ato at meshy.org Fri Oct 3 06:55:46 2008 From: ato at meshy.org (Alex Osborne) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:55:46 +1000 Subject: FDOM and WiFi In-Reply-To: <21503351.2871223009213004.JavaMail.root@collab> References: <21503351.2871223009213004.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: <48E5A5D2.3070602@meshy.org> Vince M. Clark wrote: > If I open a terminal and run ifconfig all I have is > eth0, lo, and usb0. The wifi is eth0. Is there an address associated with it there? Also check the output of "iwconfig". If it has associated the AP then it should say "Access Point:" and then give the MAC address of the AP. From vclark at globalera.com Fri Oct 3 07:00:18 2008 From: vclark at globalera.com (Vince M. Clark) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:00:18 -0600 (MDT) Subject: FDOM and WiFi In-Reply-To: <48E5A5D2.3070602@meshy.org> Message-ID: <5483580.2901223010018823.JavaMail.root@collab> eth0 definitely has no address. I'll check iwconfig. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Osborne" To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 10:55:46 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: FDOM and WiFi Vince M. Clark wrote: > If I open a terminal and run ifconfig all I have is > eth0, lo, and usb0. The wifi is eth0. Is there an address associated with it there? Also check the output of "iwconfig". If it has associated the AP then it should say "Access Point:" and then give the MAC address of the AP. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081002/8953a41a/attachment.htm From rt at aspirinka.net Fri Oct 3 07:21:49 2008 From: rt at aspirinka.net (Sergey Alembekov) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:21:49 +0400 Subject: rescue my freerunner Message-ID: <20081003052147.GA4883@banzay-book.home> Hi, all. I played with network setting (add gprs on boot) and now my FR stuck in the middle of booting and i can't access via ssh throught usb. I don't whant to flash the rootfs becouse have no backup. So how can i rescue it? Sorry, if it FAQ question. -- Regards, Sergey Alembekov ALTLinux Team xmpp: rt at jabber.ru From gromez at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 07:38:18 2008 From: gromez at gmail.com (gromez) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:38:18 +0200 Subject: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4 In-Reply-To: <20081002202346.0c9e8639@telenet.be> References: <200810022123.50102.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <359c5480810020910o4e398d48g8b80073561bc7bfc@mail.gmail.com> <200810022154.15884.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <20081002194323.35f8777a@laptop-vanek> <20081002202346.0c9e8639@telenet.be> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200 > Petr Vanek wrote: [...] > - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there > in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed. Same problem. A solution for getting the right date is to use the date command from ssh. > - echo problem is back During a call, people notify me that they hear their own voice, so echo problem is back. > - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing "snooze" I've tried alarm this morning and it worked fine. > - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show up > as "missed" Similar problem with calls and text messages. Even if I read them it seems they are never marked as read. From blumph at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 07:41:08 2008 From: blumph at gmail.com (nickd) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:41:08 +1000 Subject: rescue my freerunner In-Reply-To: <20081003052147.GA4883@banzay-book.home> References: <20081003052147.GA4883@banzay-book.home> Message-ID: <48E5B074.4020407@gmail.com> Sergey Alembekov wrote: > Hi, all. > I played with network setting (add gprs on boot) and now my FR stuck in > the middle of booting and i can't access via ssh throught usb. > I don't whant to flash the rootfs becouse have no backup. So how can i rescue it? > Sorry, if it FAQ question. > > Worst case scenario, you might be able to create a backup of your rootfs (dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U backup_rootfs.jffs) and mount the image on loopback [1] and transfer your home directory back onto your Freerunner. Maybe you could back it up onto your computer, mount on loopback, edit offending line, create jffs image, and reflash? Or maybe there is a single user mode you could access somehow. -Nick 1. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Mount_on_loopback_device From lpotter at trolltech.com Fri Oct 3 07:07:03 2008 From: lpotter at trolltech.com (Lorn Potter) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:07:03 +1000 Subject: kernel for qt extended 4.4 In-Reply-To: <17760163.2801222978642007.JavaMail.root@collab> References: <17760163.2801222978642007.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: <48E5A877.8010503@trolltech.com> Vince M. Clark wrote: > I switched a setting to make the menus do the wheel thing (didn't > realize what I was doing when I selected it) and now I cannot select > anything. Touchscreen doesn't respond to selection on the wheel. So now > I can't get to settings, apps, etc. Guess I'll re-flash. > > While I was able to get to apps I don't recall seeing the webkit browser > or a GPS app. Am I missing something? They are there in the 4.4.1 image. gps is called mappingdemo. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd From lpotter at trolltech.com Fri Oct 3 07:59:39 2008 From: lpotter at trolltech.com (Lorn Potter) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:59:39 +1000 Subject: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4 In-Reply-To: <200810031000.20666.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> References: <200810022123.50102.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <20081002202346.0c9e8639@telenet.be> <48E5565D.4020000@trolltech.com> <200810031000.20666.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E5B4CB.6030207@trolltech.com> Kishore wrote: > On Friday 03 Oct 2008 4:46:45 am Lorn Potter wrote: >> Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: >>> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200 >>> >>> Petr Vanek wrote: >>>> No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i presume if >>>> you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go. >>>> >>>> unless...I was also looking at the "services" screen or what it's >>>> called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an >>>> accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways. >>> hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one, too >>> many bugs (old and new): >>> >>> - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using >>> uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the >>> previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue? >> yes, this has nothng to do with qtextended. > > I get plenty of errors with regard to splash plugin not found. Seems like > there should have been a splash screen that is trying to be updated but then > it does not exist. And yes, boot it still slow. thats because I removed that, but some script is still trying to use it. It's harmless > >>> - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there >>> in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed. >> hmmm... >> indeed. sorry. I will update with a new image. > > I hope it will be possible to just upgrade from the current install i just > spent a few hours setting up the moko, transferring contacts etc. (My previous > motoming phone does not have an export all feature) ok. I will put up a ipkg of the needed zoneinfo files. > >>> - echo problem is back >> odd. >> >>> - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing "snooze" >>> - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show up >>> as "missed" >> also odd. I haven't seen this. >> >>> The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I >>> thought it was going to be 4.4.3? >> Thats because its really a snapshot. which is just 4.4.1 + a few bug fixes. > > I do not use the FR as my primary phone yet so have not tested how well it > manages calls. > > Ps: Lorn, In your blog post for today, you mention dynamic rotation. Does that > mean it adjusts based on accelerometer reading? I could only find one > application where i had to tap on the screen to make it rotate. We have not done anything with motion sensors yet. So it is not automatic rotation on the Neo. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd From kitts.mailinglists at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 08:18:11 2008 From: kitts.mailinglists at gmail.com (Kishore) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:48:11 +0530 Subject: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4 In-Reply-To: <48E5B4CB.6030207@trolltech.com> References: <200810022123.50102.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <200810031000.20666.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <48E5B4CB.6030207@trolltech.com> Message-ID: <200810031148.11334.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> On Friday 03 Oct 2008 11:29:39 am Lorn Potter wrote: > Kishore wrote: > > On Friday 03 Oct 2008 4:46:45 am Lorn Potter wrote: > >> Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > >>> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200 > >>> > >>> Petr Vanek wrote: > >>>> No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i presume if > >>>> you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go. > >>>> > >>>> unless...I was also looking at the "services" screen or what it's > >>>> called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an > >>>> accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways. > >>> > >>> hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one, too > >>> many bugs (old and new): > >>> > >>> - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using > >>> uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the > >>> previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue? > >> > >> yes, this has nothng to do with qtextended. > > > > I get plenty of errors with regard to splash plugin not found. Seems like > > there should have been a splash screen that is trying to be updated but > > then it does not exist. And yes, boot it still slow. > > thats because I removed that, but some script is still trying to use it. > It's harmless OK. Harmless but still looks bad but no issue really. > >>> - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there > >>> in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed. > >> > >> hmmm... > >> indeed. sorry. I will update with a new image. > > > > I hope it will be possible to just upgrade from the current install i > > just spent a few hours setting up the moko, transferring contacts etc. > > (My previous motoming phone does not have an export all feature) > > ok. I will put up a ipkg of the needed zoneinfo files. Thanks! > >>> - echo problem is back > >> > >> odd. I put in a SIM to test. Neither I nor the other side experience any echo. > >>> - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing "snooze" > >>> - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show up > >>> as "missed" > >> > >> also odd. I haven't seen this. When i answer a call it does register the same call as a missed call too. I have another issue where if the call was from an unknown contact and i wish to add to my contacts list, it would ask me if i want to create a new contact and there touch screen does not respond to my input on either of "yes" or "no" or elsewhere. I have to press the AUX button to recover. Also when i choose to delete data from the call history, it okays my input but does not delete the entry. > >>> The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I > >>> thought it was going to be 4.4.3? > >> > >> Thats because its really a snapshot. which is just 4.4.1 + a few bug > >> fixes. > > > > I do not use the FR as my primary phone yet so have not tested how well > > it manages calls. > > > > Ps: Lorn, In your blog post for today, you mention dynamic rotation. Does > > that mean it adjusts based on accelerometer reading? I could only find > > one application where i had to tap on the screen to make it rotate. > > We have not done anything with motion sensors yet. So it is not automatic > rotation on the Neo. OK, Is there an API that one can use to write a small script daemon? -- Cheers! Kishore From stargazer.dave at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 08:52:05 2008 From: stargazer.dave at gmail.com (Nishit Dave) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:22:05 +0530 Subject: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks In-Reply-To: References: <20080925183151.65a54884@houba> Message-ID: <3e29d8b00810022352n48843169q3076a33bb45cb22d@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:59 PM, wrote: > Frederic Leroy writes: > > > Le Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:05:53 +0200, > > joakim at verona.se a ?crit : > > > >> "Michele Renda" > >> writes: > >> > >> > I am currently using epdf and it work well too > >> > >> The nice thing IMHO with Evince is that it supports many formats: > >> - djvu > >> - pdf > >> - cbz (xipped archive of images) > > > > Nice ! > > > >> and some others. > > > > Does it support plucker(.pdb) files too ? I've got a lot of these. > > I'm not sure, but I dont think so. > Why can't we have GUIs redesigned for mobile screens? There are many packages like epdfviewer etc. out there that just replicate the GUI used for a PC. The menu bar takes up too much space. Menus need to scroll. The file open dialog is nearly impossible to use. The qpe file manager is also a pain, so it becomes even more difficult to have a roundabout solution. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Otherwise, hold your tongue or come up with a solution. I have showed my commitment to a cause by putting my money where my mouth is, and I didn't do it because I wanted to hop on to the embedded linux shebang. If I feel that I have been let down, I have every right to say so. Refunds do not make up for lost time. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081003/4eedb48a/attachment.htm From mickey at openmoko.org Fri Oct 3 09:41:17 2008 From: mickey at openmoko.org (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:41:17 +0800 Subject: dead battery In-Reply-To: References: <20081002132759.GE27721@thelackthereof.org> <30808933.2701222970654336.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: <1223019677.4736.22.camel@ip6-localhost> Am Donnerstag, den 02.10.2008, 12:28 -0600 schrieb Angus Ainslie: > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Vince M. Clark > wrote: > I ran down to Batteries Plus and picked up a Rayovac > replacement that fits. It doesn't come charged but has enough > charge to at least jump start my fr. I put in the new battery, > plugged in the usb cable, and was able to boot. > > Then I took out the Rayovac battery and put the original > battery back in. Device stayed running and I am hoping the > battery is charging. The power button is staying illuminated > and is red. Any idea what that means? See /etc/freesmartphone/rules.yaml to tweak the LED set up in the fso-image. Right now it`s: Power: Off while discharging, Red while charging, Blue when full, Red blinking, when critical. Soon: Aux: Blinking on missed event (call, sms, alarm). :M: > From stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk Fri Oct 3 09:54:42 2008 From: stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk (Stroller) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:54:42 +0100 Subject: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks In-Reply-To: <3e29d8b00810022352n48843169q3076a33bb45cb22d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080925183151.65a54884@houba> <3e29d8b00810022352n48843169q3076a33bb45cb22d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60A9F25F-FBF6-486A-AE94-474CA18E836F@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> On 3 Oct 2008, at 07:52, Nishit Dave wrote: > > Why can't we have GUIs redesigned for mobile screens? Because you haven't redesigned them & written the code. > There are many packages like epdfviewer etc. out there that just > replicate the GUI used for a PC. The menu bar takes up too much > space. Menus need to scroll. The file open dialog is nearly > impossible to use. "hold your tongue or come up with a solution" Stroller. From nicola.mfb at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 09:55:36 2008 From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:55:36 +0200 Subject: How to build qt-extended? In-Reply-To: <48E55B2A.8080408@e4net.com> References: <359c5480810020621y1a92cbc8sc198253f6a44a481@mail.gmail.com> <48E55B2A.8080408@e4net.com> Message-ID: <359c5480810030055q42c31256n5188a8a45a6263ce@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/3 Jim Morris > It is activated in the released image. At least I can set the encryption on > my email account. > I just downloaded the updated toolchains, but the problem persist: $QTOPIA_DEPOT_PATH/configure -device neo ******************************************************************************* Configuring Qt Extended (expanded commandline): -using-device neo -ui-type mobile -dynamic-rotation -ssl -dbus -libamr -pictureflow -add-mediaengines cruxus -add-modules bluetooth -add-modules cell -add-modules connectivity -add-modules devtools -add-modules essentials -add-modules games -add-modules inputmethods -add-modules location -add-modules media -add-modules messaging -add-modules pim -add-modules pkgmanagement -add-modules telephony -add-modules ui -displaysize 480x640 -font dejavu_sans_condensed:10,12,13,16,28:50 -font dejavu_sans_condensed:13,14,15,16,20,21,23,32,36:75 -xplatform linux-neo-g++ -arch arm -languages en_US -prefix /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia -extra-qtopiacore-config -qt-mouse-tslib -sound-system alsa -mkconf -make /usr/bin/gmake -no-save-options -make /usr/bin/gmake -using-mkconf -no-save-options ******************************************************************************* This is the Qt Extended Open Source Edition. You are licensed to use this software under the terms of the GPL. Please see the file LICENSE.GPL for the licensing terms. Type 'yes' to accept this license offer. Type 'no' to decline this license offer. Do you accept this license agreement? yes Testing the system Qt: OK Qt Extended is using the following locations: Qt PREFIX = /usr Qt LIBRARIES = /usr/lib/qt4 Qt BINARIES = /usr/bin Qt HEADERS = /usr/include/qt4 Qt Embedded SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1/qtopiacore/qt Qt Embedded BUILD tree = /opt/build/qtopiacore/target Qt Extended SOURCE tree = /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1 Qt Extended BUILD tree = /opt/build Qt Extended SDK tree = /opt/build/sdk Checking the compiler (host): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian) Checking the compiler (target): OK (GCC 4, Little Endian) Bootstrap QBuild: ............................... OK Testing QBuild: OK Testing for ALSA: OK Testing Qt Extended Media Engines: cruxus Checking QMAKE_RPATH: -Wl,-rpath-link, Testing for OpenSSL: OK Testing for dynamic rotation: OK Testing DBUS: OK Checking for PAGE_SIZE and PAGE_MASK: MISSING WARNING: QSharedMemoryCache will not throw away unused pages Testing for strict warning flags your compiler accepts: -Wall -Woverloaded-virtual Testing for V4L2: OK Testing for prctl(): OK Testing for semtimedop: OK Testing for __malloc_hook: OK Running configure (qtopiacore)... /opt/build/src/build/bin/pkgconfig:/opt/toolchains/arm920t-eabi/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.1.2:/usr/kde/3.5/bin:/usr/qt/3/bin:/usr/games/bin:/opt/vmware/server/bin:/opt/vmware/server/console/bin configure -embedded arm -platform linux-g++ -xplatform /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1/devices/neo/mkspecs/qws/linux-neo-g++ -prefix /opt/build/sdk/qtopiacore/target -make src -make tools -no-stl -no-exceptions -no-xmlpatterns -no-qt3support -no-glib -no-cups -no-dbus -no-accessibility -nomake examples -nomake demos -nomake docs -DQT_QWS_DISABLE_FLUSHCLIPPING -confirm-license -depths 8,16,18,24,32 -qconfig qpe -DQT_NO_PLUGIN_CHECK -DQT_EXTERNAL_SOUND_SERVER -DQT_QWS_KEYEVENT_SINGLECLIENT -force-pkg-config -no-sql-ibase -no-sql-mysql -no-sql-odbc -no-sql-psql -no-sql-sqlite -no-sql-sqlite2 -qt-sql-sqlite -release -no-gfx-qvfb -no-mouse-qvfb -no-kbd-qvfb -qt-gif -DMEDIA_SERVER -no-separate-debug-info -DQT_KEYPAD_NAVIGATION -dbus -qt-gfx-transformed -DQT_QWS_DYNAMIC_TRANSFORMATION -DQT_QWS_CLIENTBLIT -little-endian -qt-mouse-tslib Preparing build tree... You are licensed to use this software under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL) versions 2 or 3. Creating qmake. Please wait... Building on: linux-g++ Building for: /opt/qt-extended-4.4.1/devices/neo/mkspecs/qws/linux-neo-g++ Architecture: arm Host architecture: i386 Build ............... src tools libs Configuration ....... cross_compile release shared dll embedded largefile precompile_header exceptions_off embedded reduce_exports ipv6 clock-gettime clock-monotonic mremap getaddrinfo ipv6ifname getifaddrs inotify png gif freetype system-zlib dbus openssl svg webkit release Debug ............... no Qt 3 compatibility .. no QtDBus module ....... yes (run-time) QtXmlPatterns module no Phonon module ....... no SVG module .......... yes WebKit module ....... yes WebKit in Assistant no STL support ......... no PCH support ......... yes MMX/3DNOW/SSE/SSE2.. no/no/no/no iWMMXt support ...... no IPv6 support ........ yes IPv6 ifname support . yes getaddrinfo support . yes getifaddrs support .. yes Accessibility ....... no NIS support ......... no CUPS support ........ no Iconv support ....... no Glib support ........ no GStreamer support ... no Large File support .. yes GIF support ......... yes TIFF support ........ plugin (qt) JPEG support ........ plugin (qt) PNG support ......... yes (qt) MNG support ......... plugin (qt) zlib support ........ system Embedded support .... arm Freetype2 support ... auto (yes) Graphics (qt) ....... linuxfb multiscreen transformed Graphics (plugin) ... Decorations (qt) .... styled windows default Decorations (plugin) Keyboard driver (qt). tty Keyboard driver (plugin) Mouse driver (qt) ... pc linuxtp tslib Mouse driver (plugin) OpenGL support ...... no SQLite support ...... qt (qt) OpenSSL support ..... yes (run-time) Finding project files. Please wait... 196 projects found. Creating makefiles. Please wait... WARNING: Failure to find: ../skin.cpp WARNING: Failure to find: ../skin.h Testing for Qt Embedded dbus support: OK Testing for Qt Embedded OpenSSL support: OK Testing for bluetooth: OK Finding Projects... Writing 446 Makefiles... Qt Extended has been configured. You can build Qt Extended by running bin/qbuild. If you run bin/qbuild image, this will setup a runnable image in /opt/build/image. As configured, Qt Extended MUST be run from /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia. If this is not where you intend to run Qt Extended from you should set the location by running configure -prefix /opt/Qtopia. bin/qbuild Qtopia has been built. You must now install Qtopia by running 'bin/qbuild image'. This will put the files required to run Qtopia into the image: /opt/build/image Nothing to be done for "default" Regards Nicola -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081003/249d528a/attachment.htm From gromez at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 10:00:34 2008 From: gromez at gmail.com (gromez) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:00:34 +0200 Subject: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4 In-Reply-To: <200810031148.11334.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> References: <200810022123.50102.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <200810031000.20666.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <48E5B4CB.6030207@trolltech.com> <200810031148.11334.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> Message-ID: Tried the latest mwester stable kernel (uImage-gta02-g78199ea0_mwester-stable.bin) and everything is OK except the battery gauge which is always empty when I unplug the FR from USB. Even my Sandisk 8GB microSD works fine :) From joakim at verona.se Fri Oct 3 10:00:30 2008 From: joakim at verona.se (joakim at verona.se) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:00:30 +0200 Subject: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks References: <20080925183151.65a54884@houba> <3e29d8b00810022352n48843169q3076a33bb45cb22d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Nishit Dave" writes: > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:59 PM, wrote: > > Frederic Leroy writes: > > > Le Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:05:53 +0200, > > joakim at verona.se a ?crit : > > > >> "Michele Renda" > >> writes: > >> > >> > I am currently using epdf and it work well too > >> > >> The nice thing IMHO with Evince is that it supports many formats: > >> - djvu > >> - pdf > >> - cbz (xipped archive of images) > > > > Nice ! > > > >> and some others. > > > > Does it support plucker(.pdb) files too ? I've got a lot of these. > > I'm not sure, but I dont think so. > > Why can't we have GUIs redesigned for mobile screens? There are many packages like epdfviewer etc. out there that just replicate the GUI used for a PC. The menu bar takes > up too much space. Menus need to scroll. The file open dialog is nearly impossible to use. > > The qpe file manager is also a pain, so it becomes even more difficult to have a roundabout solution. In this particular case I think Evince does an ok job. For me its a benefit that the same app is usable on debian/freerunner and on my desktop. I think the challenge is somehow making "skins" for existing apps that make them behave better on small screens. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Joakim Verona From captain.deadly at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 10:16:11 2008 From: captain.deadly at gmail.com (Arigead) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:16:11 +0100 Subject: [2008.9]Debugging the FreeRunner Kernel? Message-ID: <48E5D4CB.7000002@gmail.com> Hello all, could anybody shed some light on debugging the FR Kernel. I'm getting constant locks of the phone and I'm trying to get to the source of the problem. Just to go over some stuff that may be important. I did have [2008.9] installed and added some groups to contacts. I then flashed in [FSO] to see if that was any less locky. No luck there so flashed back in [2008.9]. I found I still have some groups that I defined two flashes ago. I didn't expect that. Is there a way to totally wipe the flash to a clear state before I start? Aside from that starting place I've got [2008.9] installed and nothing else. I've only flashed in the images and opkg installed nothing. So it's a clean [2008.9] What I'm doing to lock up the phone is opening contacts and adding contacts. I've never managed to add a third contact before the phone locks up. This does not have to be the contacts application at all. I can lock the phone with generally doing anything I've noticed no pattern. I've changed /etc/syslog.conf so that I'm logging to the uSD card but I can't see a pattern. If I had the debug board would I be able to locate the source of this problem? Can I add: kern.* -/var/log/kern.log to syslog.conf to try focus on the kernel. Does anybody have an opinion that it might not be the kernel? As it happens all the time for various apps I'm assuming that it's something core. Nobody has ever responded to email on this subject so either they're not getting through to the list or nobody is interested. Will somebody please reply so that I can tell it's got to the list and nobody is interested in helping me find my FR's problem. Thanks From stargazer.dave at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 10:20:05 2008 From: stargazer.dave at gmail.com (Nishit Dave) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:50:05 +0530 Subject: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks In-Reply-To: <60A9F25F-FBF6-486A-AE94-474CA18E836F@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> References: <20080925183151.65a54884@houba> <3e29d8b00810022352n48843169q3076a33bb45cb22d@mail.gmail.com> <60A9F25F-FBF6-486A-AE94-474CA18E836F@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> Message-ID: <3e29d8b00810030120h4eacdd9crf737642b2cda9e96@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Stroller wrote: > > Because you haven't redesigned them & written the code. > No, you do it, I pay for the product, you earn, and then show what a class act you are: > > "hold your tongue or come up with a solution" > > Stroller. > See? Nobody invited your advise here. You don't even see the context. You and your kind are what is wrong with the open source community, as innumerable opinions have emphasized over the years. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081003/da2181b7/attachment.htm From rt at aspirinka.net Fri Oct 3 10:20:45 2008 From: rt at aspirinka.net (Sergey Alembekov) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:20:45 +0400 Subject: rescue my freerunner In-Reply-To: <48E5B074.4020407@gmail.com> References: <20081003052147.GA4883@banzay-book.home> <48E5B074.4020407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081003082044.GA20002@banzay-book.rmt.ru> On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 03:41:08PM +1000, nickd wrote: > Worst case scenario, you might be able to create a backup of your rootfs > (dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U backup_rootfs.jffs) and mount the image on > loopback [1] and transfer your home directory back onto your Freerunner. Thank you for help, but unfortunately thereis known bug in dfu-util and becouse of it i can not do a backup. -- Regards, Sergey Alembekov ALTLinux Team xmpp: rt at jabber.ru From david at electric-spoon.com Fri Oct 3 10:25:57 2008 From: david at electric-spoon.com (David Pottage) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:25:57 +0100 (BST) Subject: rescue my freerunner In-Reply-To: <20081003082044.GA20002@banzay-book.rmt.ru> References: <20081003052147.GA4883@banzay-book.home> <48E5B074.4020407@gmail.com> <20081003082044.GA20002@banzay-book.rmt.ru> Message-ID: <13936.192.100.130.7.1223022357.squirrel@www.chrestomanci.org> On Fri, October 3, 2008 9:20 am, Sergey Alembekov wrote: > On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 03:41:08PM +1000, nickd wrote: >> Worst case scenario, you might be able to create a backup of your rootfs >> (dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U backup_rootfs.jffs) and mount the image on >> loopback [1] and transfer your home directory back onto your Freerunner. > Thank you for help, but unfortunately thereis known bug in dfu-util and > becouse of it i can not do a backup. How about preparing a MicoSD card with fresh copy of your preferred distro on it. (ASU/Debian/etc), boot from that and then mount the rootfs and either fix the offending files or take a copy of your data. -- David Pottage Error compiling committee.c To many arguments to function. From ato at meshy.org Fri Oct 3 10:30:17 2008 From: ato at meshy.org (Alex Osborne) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:30:17 +1000 Subject: [2008.9]Debugging the FreeRunner Kernel? In-Reply-To: <48E5D4CB.7000002@gmail.com> References: <48E5D4CB.7000002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E5D819.4060808@meshy.org> Helo Arigead, Arigead wrote: > Does anybody have an opinion > that it might not be the kernel? As it happens all the time for various > apps I'm assuming that it's something core. > When it locks up, does the device stop responding to ping over USB? That would indicate the whole kernel is getting messed up by the lock ups. > Would the debug board enable me to get to the bottom > of this? It would probably help to some extent. You could see the kernel messages over the serial console and potentially even inspect what the CPU is doing when it hangs over JTAG. Although if it's a hardware fault, which seems likely if nobody else seems to be experiencing random lockups, I guess it could be really hard to diagnose even with the debug board. > Will somebody > please reply so that I can tell it's got to the list > Your mails are getting to the list. See for example: http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-community/2008/10/1/3465464 Cheers, Alex From alastair at truebox.co.uk Fri Oct 3 10:35:55 2008 From: alastair at truebox.co.uk (Alastair Johnson) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:35:55 +0100 Subject: voip on Debian In-Reply-To: <1222972861310-1134642.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1220693338983-842903.post@n2.nabble.com> <87zllnm9yj.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <18db98c80810020531o21e7d7dby4f2cae04973fd84@mail.gmail.com> <1222972861310-1134642.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <48E5D96B.5070106@truebox.co.uk> TL Mieszkowski wrote: > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Davide Scaini > wrote: >> Ekiga? did you tryed that on debian at fr? >> so curious! > > I haven't, but I see no reason why it wouldn't work. It doesn't do IAX > though, only SIP. And sip is problematic behind a NAT firewall. Use an outbound proxy like siproxd and the problems go away. From andy at openmoko.com Fri Oct 3 10:46:14 2008 From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:46:14 +0100 Subject: [FDOM] Kernel panic? In-Reply-To: <48E52955.1020306@purdue.edu> References: <48E52955.1020306@purdue.edu> Message-ID: <48E5DBD6.5000601@openmoko.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Lane wrote: > I'm getting a kernel panic when I flash the lastest FDOM (20080927). > I'm using the latest 2008.9 kernel, could this be the issue? FDOM > doesn't seem to supply a kernel to use, but I'd think that the 2008.09 > kernel would be fine. Without a debug board it's hard to know why you panicked, but the most common reason is unable to mount the rootfs. That can be because of U-Boot kernel commandline is wrong somehow, the contents of the rootfs are broken or incomplete, or if the rootfs is on SD card it failed to get recognized properly, etc. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjl29YACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrcaACePTOnqj9G9jq86K/2sqXOXYlx g7UAnAhB+OscdQJMkbhfse3r4QkwS6nr =4bcm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From liedekef at telenet.be Fri Oct 3 11:08:47 2008 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:08:47 +0200 Subject: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4 In-Reply-To: References: <200810022123.50102.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <200810031000.20666.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <48E5B4CB.6030207@trolltech.com> <200810031148.11334.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> Message-ID: <60567dcc0810030208q2fbe1463oefbb4c294092b7db@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:00 AM, gromez wrote: > Tried the latest mwester stable kernel > (uImage-gta02-g78199ea0_mwester-stable.bin) and everything is OK > except the battery gauge which is always empty when I unplug the FR > from USB. > Even my Sandisk 8GB microSD works fine :) > Everything fine? So no echo issues, no missed call for every received call? That would be great for me! Where did you get this kernel? Franky -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So no echo issues, no missed call for every received call? > That would be great for me! > Where did you get this kernel? > never mind, I found the kernel :-) But are the mentioned issues really resolved? Franky -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081003/8e62ba66/attachment.htm From gromez at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 11:24:13 2008 From: gromez at gmail.com (gromez) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:24:13 +0200 Subject: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4 In-Reply-To: <60567dcc0810030208q2fbe1463oefbb4c294092b7db@mail.gmail.com> References: <200810022123.50102.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <200810031000.20666.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <48E5B4CB.6030207@trolltech.com> <200810031148.11334.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <60567dcc0810030208q2fbe1463oefbb4c294092b7db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:00 AM, gromez wrote: >> >> Tried the latest mwester stable kernel >> (uImage-gta02-g78199ea0_mwester-stable.bin) and everything is OK >> except the battery gauge which is always empty when I unplug the FR >> from USB. >> Even my Sandisk 8GB microSD works fine :) > > Everything fine? So no echo issues, no missed call for every received call? > That would be great for me! Well, these problems are not kernel related so there are still present :( > Where did you get this kernel? Here: http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=91 > Franky > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > From michele.renda at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 11:30:51 2008 From: michele.renda at gmail.com (Michele Renda) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:30:51 +0200 Subject: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks In-Reply-To: <3e29d8b00810030120h4eacdd9crf737642b2cda9e96@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080925183151.65a54884@houba> <3e29d8b00810022352n48843169q3076a33bb45cb22d@mail.gmail.com> <60A9F25F-FBF6-486A-AE94-474CA18E836F@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <3e29d8b00810030120h4eacdd9crf737642b2cda9e96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: | No, you do it, I pay for the product, you earn, and then show what a class act you are: Dear Nishit, I have to correct you: the correct relation is: I pay for the product, you earn, I use your product, you make it nice to me, I pay for the new version, you close the platform, I pay to access the framework, you open a store to sell the application, I pay for the application, you install a root kit that can remove the applications you don't want... Guess which phone there is in you mint? Nishit, I think you are in good intentions: Not all people know how it run in a open development. It don't run, I pay for a program that must to run perfect. It is a more complex process, that has some very good points and some weak points. Is not the solutions of all the needs. With the price of the phone you payed the hardware, personally I think a very good hardware. If you want to confront the Open Source Community with a propretary software firm, you are in a wrong direction. I hope I helped to clear it. Best regards Michele Renda From hiretto at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 11:56:36 2008 From: hiretto at gmail.com (Hire) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 02:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [debian] Sephora 0.2 pre alpha 1 - Impressions and suggestions needed In-Reply-To: <48E55AA9.80208@gmail.com> References: <48E55AA9.80208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1223027796048-1141654.post@n2.nabble.com> Very nice! Good work :) I will try it today :) PS: Ciao, so che sei italiano :D -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--Sephora-0.2-pre-alpha-1---Impressions-and-suggestions-needed-tp1140515p1141654.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From joakim at verona.se Fri Oct 3 11:56:50 2008 From: joakim at verona.se (joakim at verona.se) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:56:50 +0200 Subject: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.4 References: <1222292842.12655.23.camel@localhost> <48E4F7A5.40808@gmx.net> Message-ID: Fox Mulder writes: > I previously posted a note that the actual 0.4 package misses quite some > icons. So to get it to work you just have to put the missing icons back > to /usr/share/pixmaps/openmoko-panel-plugins. > You can get the icons from > http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4.orig.tar.gz > > It misses the following icons: > brightness.png > usb_drive.png > usb_host.png > usb_net.png > gsm_000.png > gsm_020.png > gsm_040.png > gsm_060.png > gsm_080.png > gsm_100.png My .deb doesnt appear to miss these icons, except brightness.png. I cant find the brightness.png file in the src tgz. > > Ciao, > Rainer > > joakim at verona.se wrote: >> Sebastian Ohl >> writes: >> >> Im having difficulty getting this working. Version 0.3 worked briefly. >> Any chance of a new deb? >> >>> Hi gents, >>> >>> some words of what this is(as it produced some confusion last time: >>> The openmoko-panel-plugin is a gtk based plugin that draws the >>> powerstate of some FR hardware devices(i.e. gsm, gps) to a gtk based >>> panel. theses panels are used i.e. in xfce4. so you can enable or >>> disable the state of your gps receiver. >>> >>> See a screenshot here: http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel.png>> >>> >>> i just uploaded a new release (0.4) to my server. it can be downloaded >>> from: >>> ?http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1_all.debhttp://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1_amd64.changes>> http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1.diff.gz?http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1.dsc>> ?http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4.orig.tar.gz>> >>> Changelog: >>> * fixed many debianizing errors. >>> * adding more dependencies >>> * fixed problems with different versions on my laptop :-( >>> * the menu entry should reappear >>> * click opens a context menu to toggle the powerstate >>> * removed some icons until they are finaly working >>> >>> the credit for the code changed goes to morlac. >>> >>> thank you for the big feature requests in the last mails. some of them >>> are already integrated into the code. but the code needs a big cleanup. >>> so please be patient. i think i will need a weekend to integrate all your >>> suggestions *g* >>> >>> Cu >>> Sebastian >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Openmoko community mailing list >>> community at lists.openmoko.org >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Joakim Verona From openmoko at ginguppin.de Fri Oct 3 12:05:09 2008 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:05:09 +0200 Subject: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.4 In-Reply-To: References: <1222292842.12655.23.camel@localhost> <48E4F7A5.40808@gmx.net> Message-ID: > My .deb doesnt appear to miss these icons, except brightness.png. > I cant find the brightness.png file in the src tgz. now that you mention it -- wifi is not shown. i get the brightness dialog randomly and though it was a second functionality of the battery icon ... From joakim at verona.se Fri Oct 3 12:05:20 2008 From: joakim at verona.se (joakim at verona.se) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:05:20 +0200 Subject: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200810011035.12348.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> <3e29d8b00810010428v1385400cid0910c6b9ce55bfc@mail.gmail.com> <1222953570078-1133869.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Jay Vaughan writes: >> As much as I love my FR, I must admit that the whole experience had >> me thinking lustful thoughts about my wife's iPhone... > > > I would say just get an iPhone. I did. Its much more fun to develop > for a *platform* rather than a constant dogs-breakfast of disaster. > Until someone in the Freerunner world turns the thing into a stable > platform, its just going to go on and on forever with nothing ever > being fixed, stably, and dependably. > > I mean, give me a break. Its October, and people are *still* > wrestling with WLAN configuration. Can you hackers not see how stupid > it is to be fussing with 'pretty stuff' when the most basic things > don't even work? > > I've given up on Freerunner development. Until there is a stable > image that provides an Operating System (what we have now: Inoperable) > its just not worth the fuss. The Freerunner project has been > murdered, in my opinion, by hobby horsing hackers who have nothing but > hatred for the end users that *could* be using the thing. Just to add some perspective, for my intended applications the iPh*ne is not an option. On the other hand, any suitable open handheld gnu/linux device with gps and phone hardware would work. If competing hardware forfilling these requirements showed up, I could easily switch hardware. > ; > -- > Jay Vaughan -- Joakim Verona From michele.renda at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 12:12:19 2008 From: michele.renda at gmail.com (Michele Renda) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:12:19 +0200 Subject: [debian] Sephora 0.2 pre alpha 1 - Impressions and suggestions needed In-Reply-To: <48E5B552.6000608@gmail.com> References: <48E55AA9.80208@gmail.com> <48E5A212.8090208@meshy.org> <48E5B552.6000608@gmail.com> Message-ID: > I think you > > I think I lost a part of the message :) I think you are totally right... I do a lot of D-Bus call, when I show a page I do a lot of call to Dbus... I will change it to do how you say. I think in this way we can optimize a lot the startup time :) Thank you a lot for the hint! Michele Renda From alastair at truebox.co.uk Fri Oct 3 12:45:35 2008 From: alastair at truebox.co.uk (Alastair Johnson) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:45:35 +0100 Subject: Is it bottle neck in X or the kernel? In-Reply-To: <200810031011.23105.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> References: <200810031011.23105.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E5F7CF.3070605@truebox.co.uk> Kishore wrote: > My question here is: Is it X or is it the kernel that is the weak link that > sometimes make the FR painfully slow to operate? In my experience neither. It is usually some process hogging the CPU for no apparent reason. Which one varies depending on image, version etc. > I now have qtextended 4.4.1 installed with the 4.3.2 release's kernel and the > UI is really fast! When i first flashed 4.4.1 rootfs, i still had the kernel > from FDOM and while the UI was first on first boot it became slow over time. > FDOM was slow from the start. > > Debian with XFCE OTOH was pretty fast and the change in kernel for qtextended > made significant difference so i am thinking the slowness is likely kernel > related. > > Now with qtextended i still have a somewhat flaky audio playback. I have not > tried video! > > I would appreciate anyone throwing more light on the issue. From sander at 3v8.net Fri Oct 3 12:56:05 2008 From: sander at 3v8.net (Sander van Grieken) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:56:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Debian] Still no resume In-Reply-To: <359c5480810011314u253372caob2ef029f6dae349a@mail.gmail.com> References: <87ljx8nr19.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu> <48E3CA88.7040202@gmx.net> <8763ocnkwr.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu> <359c5480810011314u253372caob2ef029f6dae349a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48573.212.204.227.172.1223031365.squirrel@www.outrightsolutions.nl> > 2008/10/1 Sven Bretfeld > >> > Suspend is broken again in the latest fso kernels. But with the latest >> > openmoko kernel suspend works. But zhone is reacting a bit weird after >> > resuming. ;) >> >> > Do you know if they are different kernels, or different version of the same > kernel tree? the latter. FSO has not yet bumped its SRCREV to point to the latest patch that fixes resume (hint!) From gera at theoldmonk.net Fri Oct 3 13:22:36 2008 From: gera at theoldmonk.net (Devendra Gera) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:52:36 +0530 Subject: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4 In-Reply-To: <60567dcc0810030208q2fbe1463oefbb4c294092b7db@mail.gmail.com> References: <200810022123.50102.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <200810031000.20666.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <48E5B4CB.6030207@trolltech.com> <200810031148.11334.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <60567dcc0810030208q2fbe1463oefbb4c294092b7db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081003112236.GA9729@gera-laptop> On Fri, 03 Oct 2008, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:00 AM, gromez wrote: > > > Tried the latest mwester stable kernel > > (uImage-gta02-g78199ea0_mwester-stable.bin) and everything is OK > > except the battery gauge which is always empty when I unplug the FR > > from USB. > > Even my Sandisk 8GB microSD works fine :) > > > > Everything fine? So no echo issues, no missed call for every received call? > That would be great for me! > Where did you get this kernel? Well I have no issues as far as echoes and duplicate missed calls. I'm using the kernel from the 4.3.2 release. I do hear a small "audio effect" (like loud static which does down - quite tonefully, I must add) whenever a call ends. I can live with the unintended call end indicator. Problems that I do have : * WiFi - connects and is usable, but makes the interface really slow after a while. Then causes freezes. I'm using WPA-PSK-TKIP btw. * The aux red LED keeps on glowing even after I disconnect the USB cable. I can get it to behave as expected by playing around with repeated inserts of the cable. One of those times, it behaves correctly. I wouldn't call it a fix or even a workaround though. It's more of a buggy bug. * Missing zoneinfos. I'll try the updated image today. I haven't tried setting up my GPRS yet. --gera. From russellh at ysmail.net Fri Oct 3 14:59:28 2008 From: russellh at ysmail.net (Russell Hay) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:59:28 +0100 Subject: kernel for qt extended 4.4 In-Reply-To: <20081003112236.GA9729@gera-laptop> References: <200810022123.50102.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <200810031000.20666.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <48E5B4CB.6030207@trolltech.com> <200810031148.11334.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <60567dcc0810030208q2fbe1463oefbb4c294092b7db@mail.gmail.com> <20081003112236.GA9729@gera-laptop> Message-ID: I can confirm the same issue reported below; WiFi - connects and is usable, but makes the interface really slow after a while. Then causes freezes. I'm using WPA-PSK-TKIP btw. 2008/10/3 Devendra Gera > On Fri, 03 Oct 2008, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:00 AM, gromez wrote: > > > > > Tried the latest mwester stable kernel > > > (uImage-gta02-g78199ea0_mwester-stable.bin) and everything is OK > > > except the battery gauge which is always empty when I unplug the FR > > > from USB. > > > Even my Sandisk 8GB microSD works fine :) > > > > > > > Everything fine? So no echo issues, no missed call for every received > call? > > That would be great for me! > > Where did you get this kernel? > > Well I have no issues as far as echoes and duplicate missed calls. I'm > using the kernel from the 4.3.2 release. I do hear a small "audio > effect" (like loud static which does down - quite tonefully, I must > add) whenever a call ends. I can live with the unintended call end > indicator. > > Problems that I do have : > > * WiFi - connects and is usable, but makes the interface really slow > after a while. Then causes freezes. I'm using WPA-PSK-TKIP btw. > * The aux red LED keeps on glowing even after I disconnect the USB > cable. I can get it to behave as expected by playing around with > repeated inserts of the cable. One of those times, it behaves > correctly. I wouldn't call it a fix or even a workaround though. It's > more of a buggy bug. > * Missing zoneinfos. I'll try the updated image today. > > I haven't tried setting up my GPRS yet. > > --gera. > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Russ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081003/5b4fb69a/attachment.htm From hiretto at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 15:31:34 2008 From: hiretto at gmail.com (Hire) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 06:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [debian] going to install - hints? In-Reply-To: <49dd78620810021406j4a1028f0i7249e439eaa83c7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <18db98c80810020207y79dbbd8cj3223f1679a52c176@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620810020404v54d77e1cs86726d2625fb6778@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80810020540x569b3381k63e4a9256ae75f76@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620810021406j4a1028f0i7249e439eaa83c7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1223040694047-1141963.post@n2.nabble.com> Neil Jerram wrote: > > 2008/10/2 Davide Scaini : >> and what about the boot speed-up script: is that useful? > > Sorry, I haven't tried that, so can't say. > > Neil > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > Why when I try to install Debian on my freerunner I will get always the same error "E: Internal error: install"? I have used the install.sh -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--going-to-install---hints--tp1133446p1141963.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mail at 3v1n0.net Fri Oct 3 15:46:28 2008 From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:46:28 +0200 Subject: voip on Debian In-Reply-To: <1220693338983-842903.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1220693338983-842903.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: TL Mieszkowski wrote: > 1.) You need the alsa state for voip handset. Can be got here: > > http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk//src/target/audio/om-gta02/ > > This goes in /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ > load it with the command : > > alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/voip-handset.state restore About this, using this alsa control file, can you get the caller voice only in the earpiece? If I use it in a Om2008 I get the voice both in the earpiece and in the main speaker! -- Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ From dscaini at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 15:52:56 2008 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:52:56 +0200 Subject: [debian] going to install - hints? In-Reply-To: <1223040694047-1141963.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <18db98c80810020207y79dbbd8cj3223f1679a52c176@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620810020404v54d77e1cs86726d2625fb6778@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80810020540x569b3381k63e4a9256ae75f76@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620810021406j4a1028f0i7249e439eaa83c7f@mail.gmail.com> <1223040694047-1141963.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <18db98c80810030652j5056f0band8f8f3d7adc2ffd9@mail.gmail.com> give a look to the wiki "debian on fr" or in the list to the thread "Debian installer internal error" of Matthias Camenzind... quoting form the last: <> personally I think that the part about modifying the uboot is hard to understand, but I hope to not have problems during my installation ;-) i'm waiting for my SD ;-) hope this helps, d On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Hire wrote: > > > > Neil Jerram wrote: > > > > 2008/10/2 Davide Scaini : > >> and what about the boot speed-up script: is that useful? > > > > Sorry, I haven't tried that, so can't say. > > > > Neil > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > Why when I try to install Debian on my freerunner I will get always the > same > error "E: Internal error: install"? > I have used the install.sh > -- > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--going-to-install---hints--tp1133446p1141963.html > Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081003/8c560762/attachment.htm From captain.deadly at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 16:00:15 2008 From: captain.deadly at gmail.com (Arigead) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:00:15 +0100 Subject: [2008.9]Debugging the FreeRunner Kernel? In-Reply-To: <48E5D819.4060808@meshy.org> References: <48E5D4CB.7000002@gmail.com> <48E5D819.4060808@meshy.org> Message-ID: <48E6256F.60203@gmail.com> Alex Osborne wrote: > Helo Arigead, > > Arigead wrote: > >> Does anybody have an opinion >> that it might not be the kernel? As it happens all the time for various >> apps I'm assuming that it's something core. >> >> > When it locks up, does the device stop responding to ping over USB? > That would indicate the whole kernel is getting messed up by the lock ups. > > >> Would the debug board enable me to get to the bottom >> of this? >> > It would probably help to some extent. You could see the kernel > messages over the serial console and potentially even inspect what the > CPU is doing when it hangs over JTAG. Although if it's a hardware > fault, which seems likely if nobody else seems to be experiencing random > lockups, I guess it could be really hard to diagnose even with the debug > board. > >> Will somebody >> please reply so that I can tell it's got to the list >> >> > Your mails are getting to the list. See for example: > > http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-community/2008/10/1/3465464 > > Cheers, > > Alex > Thanks Alex, I do think it's most likely a HW problem as it's happening in all the Distros. Well I've not really tried with Qtopia to much, would prefer to be using [ASU] or [FSO]. Having said that if I tried Qtopia and it locks then it would suggest it's HW. Anyhow perhaps the only way to go is to get the development board. Even if it is a HW problem it's locking the SW somewhere. I'll try Qtopia over the weekend and try build a SW Image for the FR. I've never built the entire system but I might try and see if I can put in a few judicious Printf's. Problem with printf's or logging is that the code might have passed the printf and lock 20 odd instructions later and you'd not see the printout, depending on the implementation. I don't know how logging is implemented but I'll have a look. Thanks again for getting back to me. Don't know whether to invest more money in the debug board or try get a replacement. It is a challenge though :-) From alastair at truebox.co.uk Fri Oct 3 16:03:35 2008 From: alastair at truebox.co.uk (Alastair Johnson) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:03:35 +0100 Subject: voip on Debian In-Reply-To: References: <1220693338983-842903.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <48E62637.9070109@truebox.co.uk> Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote: > TL Mieszkowski wrote: >> 1.) You need the alsa state for voip handset. Can be got here: >> >> http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk//src/target/audio/om-gta02/ >> >> This goes in /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ >> load it with the command : >> >> alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/voip-handset.state restore > > About this, using this alsa control file, can you get the caller voice > only in the earpiece? > If I use it in a Om2008 I get the voice both in the earpiece and in the > main speaker! > I just checked the file and it is clearly wrong as it says: control.3 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type INTEGER comment.count 2 comment.range '0 - 127' iface MIXER name 'Headphone Playback Volume' value.0 127 value.1 127 } control.4 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type INTEGER comment.count 2 comment.range '0 - 127' iface MIXER name 'Speaker Playback Volume' value.0 0 value.1 0 } This will do as you say since control.3 is for the headset/speaker, and control.4 for the handset earpiece. I don't know if this is the result of someone committing an old file or what. From alastair at truebox.co.uk Fri Oct 3 16:11:35 2008 From: alastair at truebox.co.uk (Alastair Johnson) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:11:35 +0100 Subject: [2008.9]Debugging the FreeRunner Kernel? In-Reply-To: <48E6256F.60203@gmail.com> References: <48E5D4CB.7000002@gmail.com> <48E5D819.4060808@meshy.org> <48E6256F.60203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E62817.2080405@truebox.co.uk> Arigead wrote: > Alex Osborne wrote: >> Helo Arigead, >> >> Arigead wrote: >> >>> Does anybody have an opinion >>> that it might not be the kernel? As it happens all the time for various >>> apps I'm assuming that it's something core. >>> >>> >> When it locks up, does the device stop responding to ping over USB? >> That would indicate the whole kernel is getting messed up by the lock ups. >> >> >>> Would the debug board enable me to get to the bottom >>> of this? >>> >> It would probably help to some extent. You could see the kernel >> messages over the serial console and potentially even inspect what the >> CPU is doing when it hangs over JTAG. Although if it's a hardware >> fault, which seems likely if nobody else seems to be experiencing random >> lockups, I guess it could be really hard to diagnose even with the debug >> board. >> >>> Will somebody >>> please reply so that I can tell it's got to the list >>> >>> >> Your mails are getting to the list. See for example: >> >> http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-community/2008/10/1/3465464 >> >> Cheers, >> >> Alex >> > Thanks Alex, > I do think it's most likely a HW problem as it's happening in all the > Distros. Well I've not really tried with Qtopia to much, would prefer to > be using [ASU] or [FSO]. Having said that if I tried Qtopia and it locks > then it would suggest it's HW. > > Anyhow perhaps the only way to go is to get the development board. Even > if it is a HW problem it's locking the SW somewhere. I'll try Qtopia > over the weekend and try build a SW Image for the FR. I've never built > the entire system but I might try and see if I can put in a few > judicious Printf's. Problem with printf's or logging is that the code > might have passed the printf and lock 20 odd instructions later and > you'd not see the printout, depending on the implementation. I don't > know how logging is implemented but I'll have a look. > > Thanks again for getting back to me. Don't know whether to invest more > money in the debug board or try get a replacement. It is a challenge > though :-) It might be worth trying rootfs on the uSD to see if the problem is with the internal flash. You may also be able to find someone near you who has a debug board. From mail at 3v1n0.net Fri Oct 3 16:20:05 2008 From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:20:05 +0200 Subject: voip on Debian In-Reply-To: <48E62637.9070109@truebox.co.uk> References: <1220693338983-842903.post@n2.nabble.com> <48E62637.9070109@truebox.co.uk> Message-ID: Alastair Johnson wrote: > Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote: >> TL Mieszkowski wrote: >>> alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/voip-handset.state restore >> About this, using this alsa control file, can you get the caller voice >> only in the earpiece? >> If I use it in a Om2008 I get the voice both in the earpiece and in the >> main speaker! >> > > I just checked the file and it is clearly wrong as it says: > > control.3 { > comment.access 'read write' > comment.type INTEGER > comment.count 2 > comment.range '0 - 127' > iface MIXER > name 'Headphone Playback Volume' > value.0 127 > value.1 127 > } > control.4 { > comment.access 'read write' > comment.type INTEGER > comment.count 2 > comment.range '0 - 127' > iface MIXER > name 'Speaker Playback Volume' > value.0 0 > value.1 0 > } > > This will do as you say since control.3 is for the headset/speaker, and > control.4 for the handset earpiece. I don't know if this is the result > of someone committing an old file or what. Ok, the problem is that if I invert the values I heard voice in the earpiece, but I continue hearing it also in the main speaker! It's really annoying! :| Anyone got it working correctly? In this situation VoIP is not usable... :( -- Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ From vclark at globalera.com Fri Oct 3 16:54:01 2008 From: vclark at globalera.com (Vince M. Clark) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Subject: FDOM and WiFi In-Reply-To: <5483580.2901223010018823.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: <25532598.3191223045641987.JavaMail.root@collab> Here is the output. I can see the access point but it is not connected even though in Mofi the circle is orange next to the access point. root at om-gta02:~# iwconfig eth0 eth0 AR6000 802.11g ESSID:"" Mode:Managed Bit Rate:1 Mb/s Tx-Power=0 dBm Sensitivity=0/3 Retry:on Encryption key:off Power Management:off Link Quality:0/94 Signal level:-95 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 root at om-gta02:~# iwlist eth0 scan eth0 Scan completed : Cell 01 - Address: 00:0F:66:D2:BB:41 ESSID:"linksys" Mode:Master Frequency:2.437 GHz (Channel 6) Quality=15/94 Signal level=-80 dBm Noise level=-95 dBm Encryption key:off Extra:bcn_int=100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vince M. Clark" To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 11:00:18 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: FDOM and WiFi eth0 definitely has no address. I'll check iwconfig. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Osborne" To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 10:55:46 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: FDOM and WiFi Vince M. Clark wrote: > If I open a terminal and run ifconfig all I have is > eth0, lo, and usb0. The wifi is eth0. Is there an address associated with it there? Also check the output of "iwconfig". If it has associated the AP then it should say "Access Point:" and then give the MAC address of the AP. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081003/ebcfc80a/attachment.htm From paul at nlpagan.net Fri Oct 3 17:02:26 2008 From: paul at nlpagan.net (Paul) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:02:26 +0200 Subject: Where is the SD card... Message-ID: <48E63402.40108@nlpagan.net> I have so far successfully gotten things to work (phone works again after reboot), ssh works and all that. I just can't figure out which device is the SD card (I want to put Qtopia on that). The devices I see are: root at om-gta02:/dev# ls MAKEDEV kmem mtd5 ram ram9 tty4 XOR kmsg mtd5ro ram0 ramdisk ttySAC0 adsp log mtd6 ram1 random ttySAC1 apm_bios loop mtd6ro ram10 rtc ttySAC2 audio mem mtdblock0 ram11 rtc0 udev_network_queue bus mixer mtdblock1 ram12 shm urandom console mtd0 mtdblock2 ram13 snd usbdev1.1 core mtd0ro mtdblock3 ram14 sndstat usbdev1.1_ep00 dsp mtd1 mtdblock4 ram15 stderr usbdev1.1_ep81 fb mtd1ro mtdblock5 ram2 stdin vcs fb0 mtd2 mtdblock6 ram3 stdout vcs1 fd mtd2ro net ram4 tty vcs3 full mtd3 null ram5 tty0 vcsa i2c-0 mtd3ro ppp ram6 tty1 vcsa1 initctl mtd4 ptmx ram7 tty2 vcsa3 input mtd4ro pts ram8 tty3 zero root at om-gta02:/dev# Nothing looks anywhere like /dev/mmcblk0 as the wiki says, and also dmesg isn't much help. Or would it be mtdblock0? Thanks for clues and pointers! Paul -- No army can withstand the strength of an idea whose time has come. -Victor Hugo http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 From alastair at truebox.co.uk Fri Oct 3 17:04:41 2008 From: alastair at truebox.co.uk (Alastair Johnson) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:04:41 +0100 Subject: voip on Debian In-Reply-To: References: <1220693338983-842903.post@n2.nabble.com> <48E62637.9070109@truebox.co.uk> Message-ID: <48E63489.4080000@truebox.co.uk> Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote: > Alastair Johnson wrote: >> Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote: >>> TL Mieszkowski wrote: >>>> alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/voip-handset.state restore >>> About this, using this alsa control file, can you get the caller voice >>> only in the earpiece? >>> If I use it in a Om2008 I get the voice both in the earpiece and in the >>> main speaker! >>> >> I just checked the file and it is clearly wrong as it says: >> >> control.3 { >> comment.access 'read write' >> comment.type INTEGER >> comment.count 2 >> comment.range '0 - 127' >> iface MIXER >> name 'Headphone Playback Volume' >> value.0 127 >> value.1 127 >> } >> control.4 { >> comment.access 'read write' >> comment.type INTEGER >> comment.count 2 >> comment.range '0 - 127' >> iface MIXER >> name 'Speaker Playback Volume' >> value.0 0 >> value.1 0 >> } >> >> This will do as you say since control.3 is for the headset/speaker, and >> control.4 for the handset earpiece. I don't know if this is the result >> of someone committing an old file or what. > > Ok, the problem is that if I invert the values I heard voice in the > earpiece, but I continue hearing it also in the main speaker! > It's really annoying! :| I'm surprised unless it's a small amount of bleedthrough. Setting both channels of control.3 to 0 should silence it. This should silence the speaker entirely: control.94 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type BOOLEAN comment.count 1 iface MIXER name 'Amp Spk Switch' value false } > Anyone got it working correctly? In this situation VoIP is not usable... :( See: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Linphone This points to http://www.koolu.org/voip-handset.state which I have used successfully with the CLI version of linphone compiled using mokomakefile a while back. FDOM currently has a more recent linphone with GUI and presumably a working voip-handset.state too. From alastair at truebox.co.uk Fri Oct 3 17:11:24 2008 From: alastair at truebox.co.uk (Alastair Johnson) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:11:24 +0100 Subject: Where is the SD card... In-Reply-To: <48E63402.40108@nlpagan.net> References: <48E63402.40108@nlpagan.net> Message-ID: <48E6361C.9090901@truebox.co.uk> Paul wrote: > I have so far successfully gotten things to work (phone works again > after reboot), ssh works and all that. > > I just can't figure out which device is the SD card (I want to put > Qtopia on that). > > The devices I see are: > > root at om-gta02:/dev# ls > MAKEDEV kmem mtd5 > ram ram9 tty4 > XOR kmsg mtd5ro > ram0 ramdisk ttySAC0 > adsp log mtd6 > ram1 random ttySAC1 > apm_bios loop mtd6ro > ram10 rtc ttySAC2 > audio mem mtdblock0 > ram11 rtc0 udev_network_queue > bus mixer mtdblock1 > ram12 shm urandom > console mtd0 mtdblock2 > ram13 snd usbdev1.1 > core mtd0ro mtdblock3 > ram14 sndstat usbdev1.1_ep00 > dsp mtd1 mtdblock4 > ram15 stderr usbdev1.1_ep81 > fb mtd1ro mtdblock5 > ram2 stdin vcs > fb0 mtd2 mtdblock6 > ram3 stdout vcs1 > fd mtd2ro net > ram4 tty vcs3 > full mtd3 null > ram5 tty0 vcsa > i2c-0 mtd3ro ppp > ram6 tty1 vcsa1 > initctl mtd4 ptmx > ram7 tty2 vcsa3 > input mtd4ro pts > ram8 tty3 zero > root at om-gta02:/dev# > > Nothing looks anywhere like /dev/mmcblk0 as the wiki says, and also > dmesg isn't much help. /dev/mmcblk0 is correct. If you can't see it your card hasn't been detected for some reason. dmesg or the output of logread just after boot should give some indication as to what's going on. > Or would it be mtdblock0? NO!!! That's part of the internal flash. > Thanks for clues and pointers! > > Paul > From mail at 3v1n0.net Fri Oct 3 17:19:03 2008 From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:19:03 +0200 Subject: voip on Debian In-Reply-To: <48E63489.4080000@truebox.co.uk> References: <1220693338983-842903.post@n2.nabble.com> <48E62637.9070109@truebox.co.uk> <48E63489.4080000@truebox.co.uk> Message-ID: Alastair Johnson ha scritto: > Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote: >> Alastair Johnson wrote: >>> Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote: >>>> TL Mieszkowski wrote: >>>>> alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/voip-handset.state restore >>>> About this, using this alsa control file, can you get the caller voice >>>> only in the earpiece? >>>> If I use it in a Om2008 I get the voice both in the earpiece and in the >>>> main speaker! >>>> >>> This will do as you say since control.3 is for the headset/speaker, and >>> control.4 for the handset earpiece. I don't know if this is the result >>> of someone committing an old file or what. >> Ok, the problem is that if I invert the values I heard voice in the >> earpiece, but I continue hearing it also in the main speaker! >> It's really annoying! :| > > I'm surprised unless it's a small amount of bleedthrough. Setting both > channels of control.3 to 0 should silence it. This should silence the > speaker entirely: > > control.94 { > comment.access 'read write' > comment.type BOOLEAN > comment.count 1 > iface MIXER > name 'Amp Spk Switch' > value false > } > > >> Anyone got it working correctly? In this situation VoIP is not usable... :( > > See: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Linphone > This points to http://www.koolu.org/voip-handset.state which I have used > successfully with the CLI version of linphone compiled using > mokomakefile a while back. FDOM currently has a more recent linphone > with GUI and presumably a working voip-handset.state too. Thanks. Now it finally work. I had already tried that state file from koolu but I wasn't able to make it work! :o After the edit you suggested me the incoming audio works well. I'm using linphone 2.1.1 with a gui too, I compiled it long time ago, but I always had this kind of problem! -- Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ From hiretto at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 17:28:06 2008 From: hiretto at gmail.com (Hire) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [debian] going to install - hints? In-Reply-To: <18db98c80810030652j5056f0band8f8f3d7adc2ffd9@mail.gmail.com> References: <18db98c80810020207y79dbbd8cj3223f1679a52c176@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620810020404v54d77e1cs86726d2625fb6778@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80810020540x569b3381k63e4a9256ae75f76@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620810021406j4a1028f0i7249e439eaa83c7f@mail.gmail.com> <1223040694047-1141963.post@n2.nabble.com> <18db98c80810030652j5056f0band8f8f3d7adc2ffd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1223047686109-1142228.post@n2.nabble.com> Now I get: The following packages have unmet dependencies: zhone-session: Depends: fso-frameworkd but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages Why? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--going-to-install---hints--tp1133446p1142228.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dscaini at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 17:33:08 2008 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:33:08 +0200 Subject: [debian] going to install - hints? In-Reply-To: <1223047686109-1142228.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <18db98c80810020207y79dbbd8cj3223f1679a52c176@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620810020404v54d77e1cs86726d2625fb6778@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80810020540x569b3381k63e4a9256ae75f76@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620810021406j4a1028f0i7249e439eaa83c7f@mail.gmail.com> <1223040694047-1141963.post@n2.nabble.com> <18db98c80810030652j5056f0band8f8f3d7adc2ffd9@mail.gmail.com> <1223047686109-1142228.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <18db98c80810030833q623f1e2al9bef664e5619716a@mail.gmail.com> (do you managed to follow the instructions? if you have hints for the wiki, please tell us!) I have no idea... i'm sorry. hoping for an answer from those who are in with debian. d On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Hire wrote: > > Now I get: > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > zhone-session: Depends: fso-frameworkd but it is not going to be installed > E: Broken packages > > Why? > -- > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--going-to-install---hints--tp1133446p1142228.html > Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081003/0d0a7855/attachment.htm From alastair at truebox.co.uk Fri Oct 3 17:47:22 2008 From: alastair at truebox.co.uk (Alastair Johnson) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:47:22 +0100 Subject: voip on Debian In-Reply-To: References: <1220693338983-842903.post@n2.nabble.com> <48E62637.9070109@truebox.co.uk> <48E63489.4080000@truebox.co.uk> Message-ID: <48E63E8A.4010502@truebox.co.uk> Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote: > Alastair Johnson ha scritto: >> Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote: >>> Alastair Johnson wrote: >>>> Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote: >>>>> TL Mieszkowski wrote: >>>>>> alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/voip-handset.state restore >>>>> About this, using this alsa control file, can you get the caller voice >>>>> only in the earpiece? >>>>> If I use it in a Om2008 I get the voice both in the earpiece and in the >>>>> main speaker! >>>>> >>>> This will do as you say since control.3 is for the headset/speaker, and >>>> control.4 for the handset earpiece. I don't know if this is the result >>>> of someone committing an old file or what. >>> Ok, the problem is that if I invert the values I heard voice in the >>> earpiece, but I continue hearing it also in the main speaker! >>> It's really annoying! :| >> I'm surprised unless it's a small amount of bleedthrough. Setting both >> channels of control.3 to 0 should silence it. This should silence the >> speaker entirely: >> >> control.94 { >> comment.access 'read write' >> comment.type BOOLEAN >> comment.count 1 >> iface MIXER >> name 'Amp Spk Switch' >> value false >> } >> >> >>> Anyone got it working correctly? In this situation VoIP is not usable... :( >> See: >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Linphone >> This points to http://www.koolu.org/voip-handset.state which I have used >> successfully with the CLI version of linphone compiled using >> mokomakefile a while back. FDOM currently has a more recent linphone >> with GUI and presumably a working voip-handset.state too. > > Thanks. Now it finally work. I had already tried that state file from > koolu but I wasn't able to make it work! :o > After the edit you suggested me the incoming audio works well. I'm using > linphone 2.1.1 with a gui too, I compiled it long time ago, but I always > had this kind of problem! Was it you who mentioned having patched linphone to switch alsa states , and to tweak the GUI to fit the screen better? From anni.thiel at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 18:02:34 2008 From: anni.thiel at gmail.com (Annika Thiel) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 18:02:34 +0200 Subject: kernel for qt extended 4.4 In-Reply-To: <17760163.2801222978642007.JavaMail.root@collab> References: <20081002220301.7d3f92b5@telenet.be> <17760163.2801222978642007.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: <18255f870810030902y124572dfy76718302a500f486@mail.gmail.com> Hi! On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:17 PM, Vince M. Clark wrote: > I switched a setting to make the menus do the wheel thing (didn't realize > what I was doing when I selected it) and now I cannot select anything. > Touchscreen doesn't respond to selection on the wheel. So now I can't get to > settings, apps, etc. Guess I'll re-flash. > You can set it back by calling the programm directly from ssh. You just need this command: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/lib /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/bin/serverwidgets Regards, Anni > While I was able to get to apps I don't recall seeing the webkit browser or > a GPS app. Am I missing something? > > I agree, not quite stable yet. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Franky Van Liedekerke" > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" > Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 2:03:01 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver > Subject: Re: Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4 > > On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 00:08:55 +0530 > Kishore wrote: > >> On Thursday 02 Oct 2008 11:53:46 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: >> > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:43:23 +0200 >> > >> > Petr Vanek wrote: >> > > No problem here. I reflashed previous QT snapshot 4.3 so i >> > > presume if you use kernel from 4.3 you are ready to go. >> > > >> > > unless...I was also looking at the "services" screen or what it's >> > > called in QT4.4 so i might have activated USB networking by an >> > > accident and it's kernel independent? Check it out anyways. >> > >> > hmmm ... I'm guessing that image isn't the official released one, >> > too many bugs (old and new): >> > >> > - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using >> > uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the >> > previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue? >> > - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there >> > in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed. >> > - echo problem is back >> > - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing "snooze" >> > - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show >> > up as "missed" >> > >> > The image is called 4.4.1, but my phone reports it as 4.4.2 ... I >> > thought it was going to be 4.4.3? >> >> Yup! I have all of those issues you mention. Anyway, USB networking >> is now working after i flashed mwester kernel. I am able to ssh but i >> cannot connect to the internet. ping google.com gives me "ping: bad >> address 'google.com'". >> >> I checked /etc/resolv.conf and it is empty. > > Fix the resolv issue by putting the line "nameserver A.B.C.D" in > your /etc/resolv.conf (A.B.C.D being the IP of your own nameserver). > Always needed for usb connections. > But still ... too many issues found in 2 minutes of testing for this to > be stable. > > Franky > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > From hiretto at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 18:05:33 2008 From: hiretto at gmail.com (Hire) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [debian] going to install - hints? In-Reply-To: <18db98c80810030833q623f1e2al9bef664e5619716a@mail.gmail.com> References: <18db98c80810020207y79dbbd8cj3223f1679a52c176@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620810020404v54d77e1cs86726d2625fb6778@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80810020540x569b3381k63e4a9256ae75f76@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620810021406j4a1028f0i7249e439eaa83c7f@mail.gmail.com> <1223040694047-1141963.post@n2.nabble.com> <18db98c80810030652j5056f0band8f8f3d7adc2ffd9@mail.gmail.com> <1223047686109-1142228.post@n2.nabble.com> <18db98c80810030833q623f1e2al9bef664e5619716a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1223049933866-1142327.post@n2.nabble.com> Don't worry, here the solution :) http://dgym.homeunix.net/projects/freerunner/debian-install/ -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--going-to-install---hints--tp1133446p1142327.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From guru at unixarea.de Fri Oct 3 18:14:50 2008 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 18:14:50 +0200 Subject: [Om2008.9] stored PIN for qpe Message-ID: <20081003161450.GA18385@rebelion.Sisis.de> Hello, Is it somehow possible to feed the PIN from a file in rootfs into the PIN dialog of 'qpe'? Thx I know it's not very secure, but normal people will not know how to read files in a FR :-) matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows From vanous at penguin.cz Fri Oct 3 18:19:22 2008 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 18:19:22 +0200 Subject: is fr usb host mode prone to damage from regular usb charging Message-ID: <20081003181922.59c74647@laptop-vanek> I haven't found a clear answer on this one: i got A-A Female to Female usb connector to couple two cables. The wiki pages [1], [2] provide sufficient info on usage, except of one thing: if i switch into USB Host mode providing power (*) can i damage anything if i forget it like that and replug my fr into my computer? thank you Petr * echo host > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Host_Mode -- Petr Van?k http://biodynamika.cz From wesselch at gmx.net Fri Oct 3 18:19:55 2008 From: wesselch at gmx.net (Christian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?We=DFel?=) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:19:55 +0000 Subject: GPS Antenna In-Reply-To: <48DA5CF9.9010802@millions.ca> References: <1222257626.3581.71.camel@localhost> <48DA5CF9.9010802@millions.ca> Message-ID: <1223050795.3581.301.camel@localhost> Hi folks, who has an external GPS antenna operating successfull with FR? Which brand? Where to get? I check the first one without success, so I need to look for a fit one. Keep on moko, christian Am Mittwoch, den 24.09.2008, 09:30 -0600 schrieb -stacy: > Christian We?el wrote: > > I found a MMCX GPS antenna at ebay and want to know your statements > > about it: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.de/EXTERNE-AKTIVE-GPS-ANTENNE-MMCX-NAVIGATION-5M-KABEL_W0QQitemZ350100709576QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item350100709576&_trkparms=72%3A823%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 > > I don't speak German, but I don't see a lot of technical details on that > page; active antenna, magnetic, 5m cable. That is not a lot of > information to go on. The key piece of information that seems to be > missing is the voltage requirements for the antenna. Another important > piece of information would be the signal gain. > > As far as I know, the freerunner supplies 3 volts to the antenna. I have > seen a lot of inexpensive antennae that will work with any voltage > between 1.8V and 5V but I have also seen others that will only work with 5V. > > I am cautious with ebay sellers who don't put basic technical > information in the descriptions (unless they have a precise part # > and I know what the specs are. in that case I don't care if the seller > knows :-) > > -stacy > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- mfg/br, christian we?el Flurstra?e 14 29640 Schneverdingen Germany E-Mail: wesselch at gmx.net Telefon: +49 5193 97 14 95 Mobile: +49 171 357 59 57 http://wesselch.homelinux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081003/d106997a/attachment.pgp From rhn at o2.pl Fri Oct 3 18:51:50 2008 From: rhn at o2.pl (=?UTF-8?Q?rhn?=) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:51:50 +0200 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?[FSO]_losetup_trouble?= Message-ID: <745990ca.2a3d6172.48e64da6.ef10f@o2.pl> Hi I've encountered trouble trying to create a loopback device to use with usb_storage module instead of the card. Here are my problems: root at om-gta02:/media/card# losetup /dev/loop0 bigfile losetup: /dev/loop0: No such file or directory root at om-gta02:/media/card# touch /dev/loop0 root at om-gta02:/media/card# losetup /dev/loop0 bigfile losetup: /dev/loop0 root at om-gta02:/media/card# ls -l /dev/loop0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 3 16:31 /dev/loop0 bigfile is the file I wanted to mount. I also tried to mknod /dev/loop0 with the major and minor guessed from the desktop's ones: root at om-gta02:/media/card# mknod /dev/loop2 b 7 1 root at om-gta02:/media/card# losetup /dev/loop2 bigfile losetup: /dev/loop2: No such device or address What can be done about it? Or maybe some usb storage module supports exposing directories instead of devices? From paul at nlpagan.net Fri Oct 3 19:07:42 2008 From: paul at nlpagan.net (Paul) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:07:42 +0200 Subject: Where is the SD card... In-Reply-To: <48E6361C.9090901@truebox.co.uk> References: <48E63402.40108@nlpagan.net> <48E6361C.9090901@truebox.co.uk> Message-ID: <48E6515E.1090802@nlpagan.net> Hello Alastair > > /dev/mmcblk0 is correct. If you can't see it your card hasn't been > detected for some reason. dmesg or the output of logread just after boot > should give some indication as to what's going on. > I reseated the card, the proper device now shows. Thanks for the tip. Now I only have to figure out why I can't ssh to the FR anymore. (FR can't ping to desktopmachine, while desktop does ping FR ;-) Always more fun. >> Or would it be mtdblock0? >> > > NO!!! That's part of the internal flash. > I suspected something like that, so I did not touch it. Thank you. Paul -- De gustibus non est disputandum http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 From michael at openmoko.org Fri Oct 3 19:10:21 2008 From: michael at openmoko.org (Michael Shiloh) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:10:21 -0700 Subject: rescue my freerunner In-Reply-To: <13936.192.100.130.7.1223022357.squirrel@www.chrestomanci.org> References: <20081003052147.GA4883@banzay-book.home> <48E5B074.4020407@gmail.com> <20081003082044.GA20002@banzay-book.rmt.ru> <13936.192.100.130.7.1223022357.squirrel@www.chrestomanci.org> Message-ID: <48E651FD.3010801@openmoko.org> David Pottage wrote: > On Fri, October 3, 2008 9:20 am, Sergey Alembekov wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 03:41:08PM +1000, nickd wrote: >>> Worst case scenario, you might be able to create a backup of your rootfs >>> (dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U backup_rootfs.jffs) and mount the image on >>> loopback [1] and transfer your home directory back onto your Freerunner. >> Thank you for help, but unfortunately thereis known bug in dfu-util and >> becouse of it i can not do a backup. > > How about preparing a MicoSD card with fresh copy of your preferred distro > on it. (ASU/Debian/etc), boot from that and then mount the rootfs and > either fix the offending files or take a copy of your data. > Good idea. If your computer doesn't have an SD slot, you can buy an inexpensive USB to SDcard adapter. This is what I use and it's been fine. (when you say it's stuck while booting, how long did you wait? IIRC there is a network related task which will eventually time out, but it does take quite a long time.) From mail at 3v1n0.net Fri Oct 3 19:12:40 2008 From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:12:40 +0200 Subject: voip on Debian In-Reply-To: <48E63E8A.4010502@truebox.co.uk> References: <1220693338983-842903.post@n2.nabble.com> <48E62637.9070109@truebox.co.uk> <48E63489.4080000@truebox.co.uk> <48E63E8A.4010502@truebox.co.uk> Message-ID: Alastair Johnson ha scritto: > Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote: > Was it you who mentioned having patched linphone to switch alsa states , > and to tweak the GUI to fit the screen better? Yes I was, but my work isn't complete yet :P Unfortunately I've to write my bits in too many places... :| -- Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ From brian at wildsong.biz Fri Oct 3 19:22:28 2008 From: brian at wildsong.biz (Brian Wilson) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:22:28 -0700 Subject: GPS Antenna In-Reply-To: <1223050795.3581.301.camel@localhost> References: <1222257626.3581.71.camel@localhost> <48DA5CF9.9010802@millions.ca> <1223050795.3581.301.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <650d007e0810031022p5def0f33h793a104b9d06473d@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Christian We?el wrote: > Hi folks, > > who has an external GPS antenna operating successfull with FR? > > Which brand? Where to get? > > I check the first one without success, so I need to look for a fit one. I listed the one that I got from Semsons in the antenna wiki page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/External_GPS_antennas#Semsons_external_antenna (Please add your own information to this page) Here is a direct link: http://www.semsons.com/gps90deexboa.html I tested one from Semsons (in California) rather than Ebay so that other people could get the same model if they wanted one. I have no connection with Semsons other than being a satisfied customer. Semsons has pretty good specs on their equipment so I was able to choose one that worked on the first try and it was only US$11. I don't know if Semsons ships out of US, If you don't want to order from them I suggest that you look at the specs for that antenna and then find a similar model from a reputable vendor closer to your home instead of ordering something from random Ebay sellers. You aren't saving any money buying equipment you can't use. Brian From guru at unixarea.de Fri Oct 3 19:25:04 2008 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:25:04 +0200 Subject: [2008.9] Wifi now reliable In-Reply-To: <3e29d8b00810022358w21c8b42cw156c3d76d0b15112@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200810011035.12348.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> <3e29d8b00810010428v1385400cid0910c6b9ce55bfc@mail.gmail.com> <3e29d8b00810022358w21c8b42cw156c3d76d0b15112@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081003172504.GA19374@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Friday, October 03, 2008 a las 12:28:37PM +0530, Nishit Dave escribi?: > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Stroller wrote: > > > Nishit, > > > > The company that sold you your Freerunner offered you refund, already. > > > > I assumed that you would take this, leave the list and STOP FUCKING > > WHINING. > > > > I guess this was too much for me to hope for, huh? > > > > Dude, I will decide what to say, till the time I return the FR, if I decide > to do so. If you don't like what I say, complain to the list maintainers. > Otherwise, hold your tongue or come up with a solution. > > I have showed my commitment to a cause by putting my money where my mouth > is, and I didn't do it because I wanted to hop on to the embedded linux > shebang. If I feel that I have been let down, I have every right to say > so. Refunds do not make up for lost time. I own the FR gadget now for 2-3 weeks, I think, and I'm so happy with it and I use it in daily work as I did with my normal cellphone, a BenQ Siemens S68, which I have returned already because I think the FR is stable enough for me; I can do what I want with it: - I can SSH to the Linux and install or change what I feel fitting for me or missing there; - for me Wifi works now as it should; - for me GPRS and PPPD together with my smaller laptop (a eeePC 900 on which I have installed FreeBSD 7.0) let me go to Internet; I can use the FR like a normal router box to Internet; and - I can even make phone calls and write SMS to my love What do I need more at the moment? Ofc, there are things to solve, for exmaple the power/duration of the batery; I've bought an original 2nd one to not fall into the 'dead battery' pitfall; and I've ordered the Minty kit to build one based on AA batteries; ofc, there is a lot of other stuff todo or build; but this belongs already to 'it would be nice if also ...'; So, if someone wants a cellphone like all teenies have them, one from Nokia or Ericson, with a camara to take pictures in the subway, well just go for it and buy it; if not stop screaming and make use of what you have and see what we could do; just my honest thoughts about; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows From charles.pax at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 19:34:10 2008 From: charles.pax at gmail.com (Charles Pax) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:34:10 -0400 Subject: [2008.9] Wifi now reliable In-Reply-To: <20081003172504.GA19374@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200810011035.12348.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> <3e29d8b00810010428v1385400cid0910c6b9ce55bfc@mail.gmail.com> <3e29d8b00810022358w21c8b42cw156c3d76d0b15112@mail.gmail.com> <20081003172504.GA19374@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <3119e46e0810031034o66034887rd069e5843f33a4eb@mail.gmail.com> On 10/3/08, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > I own the FR gadget now for 2-3 weeks, I think, and I'm so happy with it > and I use it in daily work as I did with my normal cellphone, a BenQ > Siemens S68, which I have returned already because I think the FR is > stable enough for me; > > I can do what I want with it: > > - I can SSH to the Linux and install or change what I feel fitting for > me or missing there; > - for me Wifi works now as it should; > - for me GPRS and PPPD together with my smaller laptop (a eeePC 900 on > which I have installed FreeBSD 7.0) let me go to Internet; I can use > the FR like a normal router box to Internet; > > and > > - I can even make phone calls and write SMS to my love Thanks for sharing your experience. Can you write a little about what distrobution you're using and what problems you had to overcome to get things working the way you want? -Charles Pax -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081003/a9807367/attachment.htm From liedekef at telenet.be Fri Oct 3 20:02:13 2008 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 20:02:13 +0200 Subject: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4 In-Reply-To: <48E5565D.4020000@trolltech.com> References: <200810022123.50102.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <359c5480810020910o4e398d48g8b80073561bc7bfc@mail.gmail.com> <200810022154.15884.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <20081002194323.35f8777a@laptop-vanek> <20081002202346.0c9e8639@telenet.be> <48E5565D.4020000@trolltech.com> Message-ID: <20081003200213.11572e48@telenet.be> Hi, her are my results after a fresh flash with the latest uimage and rootfs from qt: On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:16:45 +1000 Lorn Potter wrote: > > > > - lots of kernel-warnings spit out during booting (using > > uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin from I believe the > > previous 4.3.x snapshot version). Or maybe this is a uimage issue? > > yes, this has nothng to do with qtextended. using the new uimage, these are gone > > - timezone management isn't working (the files just aren't there > > in /usr/share/timezone). Also the time itself can't be changed. > hmmm... > indeed. sorry. I will update with a new image. > > > - echo problem is back > > odd. using the new uimage, this still seems to be a problem > > - alarm keeps vibrating the phone, after pressing "snooze" this also no longer happens. But the issue of the alarm not sounding on time after suspend still remains (the alarm is on time only once, after a fresh reboot, all subsequent alarms seem to drift off in time when the phone is suspended) > > - each received call arrives twice, causing the second call to show > > up as "missed" > > also odd. I haven't seen this. after a dialer crash and some reboots, this no longer is the case. But now, at the end of each call, the call-volume setting window pops up briefly, with the sound setting/noice. Franky From greg at bonett.org Fri Oct 3 20:24:17 2008 From: greg at bonett.org (Greg Bonett) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:24:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [debian] Sephora 0.2 pre alpha 1 - Impressions and suggestions needed In-Reply-To: References: <48E55AA9.80208@gmail.com> <48E5A212.8090208@meshy.org> <48E5B552.6000608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49803.129.255.93.132.1223058257.squirrel@mail.bonett.org> hmm... It seems like I'm not able to enter the full username in the GPRS settings. The username I'm trying to use is WAP at CINGULARGPRS.COM but only WAP at CINGULAR fits. -Greg From aiua.om at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 21:22:36 2008 From: aiua.om at gmail.com (Adrien de Sentenac) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 21:22:36 +0200 Subject: Qt extended 4.4 on X11 Message-ID: Hello, are there plans for ASU to use Qt extended (Qtopia) 4.4 ? I've seen there is a number of bug related to qtopia tools in the call for community action, and I am willing to try to fix some of these, but I was wondering if it wouldn't be a better idea to work on the 4.4 version of those tools. Regards, Adrien From lpotter at trolltech.com Fri Oct 3 21:23:54 2008 From: lpotter at trolltech.com (Lorn Potter) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 05:23:54 +1000 Subject: How to build qt-extended? In-Reply-To: <359c5480810030055q42c31256n5188a8a45a6263ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <359c5480810020621y1a92cbc8sc198253f6a44a481@mail.gmail.com> <48E55B2A.8080408@e4net.com> <359c5480810030055q42c31256n5188a8a45a6263ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E6714A.9000307@trolltech.com> Nicola Mfb wrote: > 2008/10/3 Jim Morris > > > It is activated in the released image. At least I can set the > encryption on my email account. > > > I just downloaded the updated toolchains, but the problem persist: Looks like it configured in ssl to me: > Configuring Qt Extended (expanded commandline): > -using-device neo -ui-type mobile -dynamic-rotation -ssl -dbus -libamr > OpenSSL support ..... yes (run-time) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd From lpotter at trolltech.com Fri Oct 3 21:29:29 2008 From: lpotter at trolltech.com (Lorn Potter) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 05:29:29 +1000 Subject: [Om2008.9] stored PIN for qpe In-Reply-To: <20081003161450.GA18385@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20081003161450.GA18385@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <48E67299.7090403@trolltech.com> Matthias Apitz wrote: > Hello, > > Is it somehow possible to feed the PIN from a file in rootfs into the > PIN dialog of 'qpe'? Thx nope. But the sources are available you could patch it to do this. > I know it's not very secure, but normal people will not know how to read > files in a FR :-) > > matthias If you don't want sim pin, you can 'disable' it, from the Security settings app. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd From malane at purdue.edu Fri Oct 3 21:42:05 2008 From: malane at purdue.edu (Matthew Lane) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:42:05 -0400 Subject: [u-boot] Wrong image format for bootm command Message-ID: <48E6758D.7030309@purdue.edu> Hey, I'm having trouble booting my neo. I can get into NOR flash, and NAND flash, but the NAND flash only supplies one option: the "Boot" command. This command prints a message saying "Wrong image format for the bootm command." I have grabbed the latest u-boot from: > http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin I have flashed this into my NAND using dfu-util from my NOR with no errors. My flash image is currently the FDOM image. I was attempting to install debian on my uSD. I updated to the latest uboot, configured it using a script provided at debian.org, and then booted into my flash image and proceeded to install debian. The process halted after partitioning, which then advised to use 'cu' to add some environmental variables to booting. After this, I rebooted and began receiving these errors. I currently cannot boot into anything. I can log into NOR (which seems fine) but I am unable to flash a working NAND (Just that "boot" option). Thanks! From michael at openmoko.org Fri Oct 3 21:44:10 2008 From: michael at openmoko.org (Michael Shiloh) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:44:10 -0700 Subject: [2008.9] Wifi now reliable In-Reply-To: <3119e46e0810031034o66034887rd069e5843f33a4eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200810011035.12348.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> <3e29d8b00810010428v1385400cid0910c6b9ce55bfc@mail.gmail.com> <3e29d8b00810022358w21c8b42cw156c3d76d0b15112@mail.gmail.com> <20081003172504.GA19374@rebelion.Sisis.de> <3119e46e0810031034o66034887rd069e5843f33a4eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E6760A.8030502@openmoko.org> Charles Pax wrote: > > > On 10/3/08, *Matthias Apitz* > wrote: > > I own the FR gadget now for 2-3 weeks, I think, and I'm so happy with it > and I use it in daily work as I did with my normal cellphone, a BenQ > Siemens S68, which I have returned already because I think the FR is > stable enough for me; > > I can do what I want with it: > > - I can SSH to the Linux and install or change what I feel fitting for > me or missing there; > - for me Wifi works now as it should; > - for me GPRS and PPPD together with my smaller laptop (a eeePC 900 on > which I have installed FreeBSD 7.0) let me go to Internet; I can use > the FR like a normal router box to Internet; Very glad to hear of your success. What kind of access point are you using, and what kind of encryption or security are you using with it? Thanks, Michael From vales at gmx.de Fri Oct 3 21:44:12 2008 From: vales at gmx.de (vale) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [debian] Sephora 0.2 pre alpha 1 - Impressions and suggestions needed In-Reply-To: <49803.129.255.93.132.1223058257.squirrel@mail.bonett.org> References: <48E55AA9.80208@gmail.com> <48E5A212.8090208@meshy.org> <49803.129.255.93.132.1223058257.squirrel@mail.bonett.org> Message-ID: <1223063052376-1142769.post@n2.nabble.com> great program, working fine as far as i tested :) display brightness change is great and also gps :) thanks for your work! _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--Sephora-0.2-pre-alpha-1---Impressions-and-suggestions-needed-tp1140515p1142769.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From michael at openmoko.org Fri Oct 3 21:44:57 2008 From: michael at openmoko.org (Michael Shiloh) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:44:57 -0700 Subject: FDOM and WiFi In-Reply-To: <25532598.3191223045641987.JavaMail.root@collab> References: <25532598.3191223045641987.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: <48E67639.70707@openmoko.org> At this point you can try manually configuring the wireless card: iwconfig eth0 essid linksys Does your network have an encryption key? How many letters? I think there is a bug that one letter keys don't work. If your network has an encryption key, I think another bug requires that you set the key before the ID thus: iwconfig eth0 key 123456789 essid linksys Let me know if this works and we'll update the wiki accordingly Michael Vince M. Clark wrote: > Here is the output. I can see the access point but it is not connected > even though in Mofi the circle is orange next to the access point. > > root at om-gta02:~# iwconfig eth0 > eth0 AR6000 802.11g ESSID:"" > Mode:Managed Bit Rate:1 Mb/s Tx-Power=0 dBm Sensitivity=0/3 > Retry:on > Encryption key:off > Power Management:off > Link Quality:0/94 Signal level:-95 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm > Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 > Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 > > > root at om-gta02:~# iwlist eth0 scan > eth0 Scan completed : > Cell 01 - Address: 00:0F:66:D2:BB:41 > ESSID:"linksys" > Mode:Master > Frequency:2.437 GHz (Channel 6) > Quality=15/94 Signal level=-80 dBm Noise level=-95 dBm > Encryption key:off > Extra:bcn_int=100 > From mail at 3v1n0.net Fri Oct 3 22:00:59 2008 From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:00:59 +0200 Subject: Qt extended 4.4 on X11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Adrien de Sentenac wrote: > are there plans for ASU to use Qt extended (Qtopia) 4.4 ? > I've seen there is a number of bug related to qtopia tools in the call > for community action, and I am willing to try to fix some of these, > but I was wondering if it wouldn't be a better idea to work on the 4.4 > version of those tools. According to what I've read in the devel list (I asked something similar) this version can be ported to X11 too... BTW I don't know if a porting has been planned, but I figure/hope that it will be. By the way looking a little to the code there are not so many changes in the telephony core so working in this shouldn't be so different. -- Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ From tingox at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 21:56:22 2008 From: tingox at gmail.com (Torfinn Ingolfsen) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 21:56:22 +0200 Subject: GPS Antenna In-Reply-To: <1223050795.3581.301.camel@localhost> References: <1222257626.3581.71.camel@localhost> <48DA5CF9.9010802@millions.ca> <1223050795.3581.301.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Christian We?el wrote: > Hi folks, > > who has an external GPS antenna operating successfull with FR? > I use this one: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/External_GPS_antennas#Haicom_GPS-AHI-101 It works nicely both with my FreeRunner and my 1973. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen From dscaini at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 21:58:45 2008 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 21:58:45 +0200 Subject: [debian] Sephora 0.2 pre alpha 1 - Impressions and suggestions needed In-Reply-To: <1223063052376-1142769.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <48E55AA9.80208@gmail.com> <48E5A212.8090208@meshy.org> <49803.129.255.93.132.1223058257.squirrel@mail.bonett.org> <1223063052376-1142769.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <18db98c80810031258x663a14d5u4b04d33ff0cbcba5@mail.gmail.com> ...waiting for my debian, just a question: do you implemented the "profile" feature? I'm interested in this possibility to fast abilitate/disabilitate simultaneously wifi/gprs etc... thanks! (in some days i'll be able to give you some opefully useful feedback) davide On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:44 PM, vale wrote: > > great program, > > working fine as far as i tested :) > > display brightness change is great and also gps :) > > thanks for your work! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--Sephora-0.2-pre-alpha-1---Impressions-and-suggestions-needed-tp1140515p1142769.html > Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081003/51448725/attachment.htm From michele.renda at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 22:22:44 2008 From: michele.renda at gmail.com (Michele Renda) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:22:44 +0200 Subject: [debian] Sephora 0.2 pre alpha 1 - Impressions and suggestions needed In-Reply-To: <49803.129.255.93.132.1223058257.squirrel@mail.bonett.org> References: <48E55AA9.80208@gmail.com> <48E5A212.8090208@meshy.org> <48E5B552.6000608@gmail.com> <49803.129.255.93.132.1223058257.squirrel@mail.bonett.org> Message-ID: <48E67F14.3010309@gmail.com> Hello I think you are using still the 0.1 version. It had the 10 digit limitation. In the 0.2 beta 1 this limitation was removed. You can find it at: https://launchpad.net/sephora/+download Thank you Michele Renda Greg Bonett wrote: > hmm... It seems like I'm not able to enter the full username in the GPRS > settings. The username I'm trying to use is WAP at CINGULARGPRS.COM but only > WAP at CINGULAR fits. > > -Greg > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From michele.renda at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 22:24:57 2008 From: michele.renda at gmail.com (Michele Renda) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:24:57 +0200 Subject: [debian] Sephora 0.2 pre alpha 1 - Impressions and suggestions needed In-Reply-To: <1223063052376-1142769.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <48E55AA9.80208@gmail.com> <48E5A212.8090208@meshy.org> <49803.129.255.93.132.1223058257.squirrel@mail.bonett.org> <1223063052376-1142769.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <48E67F99.1090102@gmail.com> Thank you I need to know what you'd like to see. I can't insure that I will implement it, but I can try to have a look Regards Michele Renda vale wrote: > great program, > > working fine as far as i tested :) > > display brightness change is great and also gps :) > > thanks for your work! From prishelec at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 22:38:52 2008 From: prishelec at gmail.com (Leonti Bielski) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 22:38:52 +0200 Subject: Hibernation Message-ID: <815cb1720810031338j43576ca1yf424ecbdd12c7f60@mail.gmail.com> Hi, community! Will it be possible to hibernate (suspend to sd-card or flash) a Freerunner in a future? There are cases when I want my phone to be turned off completely to save battery, but I don't want to wait 2 minutes next time I will be powering it up. Is it possible at all? Leonti From michael at openmoko.org Fri Oct 3 22:40:32 2008 From: michael at openmoko.org (Michael Shiloh) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:40:32 -0700 Subject: is fr usb host mode prone to damage from regular usb charging In-Reply-To: <20081003181922.59c74647@laptop-vanek> References: <20081003181922.59c74647@laptop-vanek> Message-ID: <48E68340.8000001@openmoko.org> Petr Vanek wrote: > I haven't found a clear answer on this one: > > i got A-A Female to Female usb connector to couple two cables. > > The wiki pages [1], [2] provide sufficient info on usage, except of one > thing: if i switch into USB Host mode providing power (*) can i damage > anything if i forget it like that and replug my fr into my computer? Hi Petr, This type of question is more appropriate to the kernel list. I'll go ahead and post it for you there. Regards, Michael From michele.renda at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 22:40:52 2008 From: michele.renda at gmail.com (Michele Renda) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:40:52 +0200 Subject: [debian] Sephora 0.2 pre alpha 1 - Impressions and suggestions needed In-Reply-To: <18db98c80810031258x663a14d5u4b04d33ff0cbcba5@mail.gmail.com> References: <48E55AA9.80208@gmail.com> <48E5A212.8090208@meshy.org> <49803.129.255.93.132.1223058257.squirrel@mail.bonett.org> <1223063052376-1142769.post@n2.nabble.com> <18db98c80810031258x663a14d5u4b04d33ff0cbcba5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E68354.6020307@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Davide Scaini wrote: > ...waiting for my debian, just a question: do you implemented the > "profile" feature? Hello Davide, It will be nice: it will be nice to have a "Airplane profile", that turn off any Wireless connection (GSM + Buethoot + Wifi), a "Home profile", "Work profile" ... etc. :) Thank you Michele Renda > I'm interested in this possibility to fast abilitate/disabilitate > simultaneously wifi/gprs etc... > thanks! (in some days i'll be able to give you some opefully useful > feedback) > davide -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFI5oNUSIAU/I6SkT0RAs9SAJ9LzSb96hQpGDk1A0El6EKr2pg2dACfXyVF IseYT9buWwKNYovpt4ExMo4= =+z6Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From vales at gmx.de Fri Oct 3 23:38:24 2008 From: vales at gmx.de (vale) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Numptyphysics on Debian@armel In-Reply-To: <1220266292.3425.16.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net> References: <48B7EC2F.7000509@gmail.com> <200808291603.09070.vollseil@arcor.de> <48B84BED.8000901@gmail.com> <48BBA2A1.1000301@gmail.com> <1220266292.3425.16.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net> Message-ID: <1223069904275-1142960.post@n2.nabble.com> is there a working deb package around? couldn't find that one on the italian forum ... thanks in advance vale -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Numptyphysics-on-Debian%40armel-tp792088p1142960.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From vales at gmx.de Fri Oct 3 23:41:35 2008 From: vales at gmx.de (vale) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: duke3d on debian ? Message-ID: <1223070095648-1142964.post@n2.nabble.com> someone managed to get the duke3d port for the openmoko with accelerometer usage working with debian? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_3D i get it started, but cant get trough the menu because the accelerometer dont seem to be working. there is no hexdump in debian too ... thankfull for every info vale -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/duke3d-on-debian---tp1142964p1142964.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From michele.renda at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 23:53:45 2008 From: michele.renda at gmail.com (Michele Renda) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:53:45 +0200 Subject: Numptyphysics on Debian@armel In-Reply-To: <1223069904275-1142960.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <48B7EC2F.7000509@gmail.com> <200808291603.09070.vollseil@arcor.de> <48B84BED.8000901@gmail.com> <48BBA2A1.1000301@gmail.com> <1220266292.3425.16.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net> <1223069904275-1142960.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <48E69469.3010904@gmail.com> vale wrote: > is there a working deb package around? > > couldn't find that one on the italian forum ... > > thanks in advance > > vale that I know... Still not exist. There is the version from the site! just unpackt and run the compiled file. Michele Renda From steve at openmoko.com Sat Oct 4 00:11:35 2008 From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:11:35 -0700 Subject: [2008.9]Debugging the FreeRunner Kernel? In-Reply-To: <48E5D4CB.7000002@gmail.com> References: <48E5D4CB.7000002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E69897.3010300@openmoko.com> Probably best to post on the Kernel list. Arigead wrote: > Hello all, > could anybody shed some light on debugging the FR Kernel. I'm > getting constant locks of the phone and I'm trying to get to the source > of the problem. > > Just to go over some stuff that may be important. I did have [2008.9] > installed and added some groups to contacts. I then flashed in [FSO] to > see if that was any less locky. No luck there so flashed back in > [2008.9]. I found I still have some groups that I defined two flashes > ago. I didn't expect that. Is there a way to totally wipe the flash to a > clear state before I start? > > Aside from that starting place I've got [2008.9] installed and nothing > else. I've only flashed in the images and opkg installed nothing. So > it's a clean [2008.9] > > What I'm doing to lock up the phone is opening contacts and adding > contacts. I've never managed to add a third contact before the phone > locks up. This does not have to be the contacts application at all. I > can lock the phone with generally doing anything I've noticed no pattern. > > I've changed /etc/syslog.conf so that I'm logging to the uSD card but I > can't see a pattern. If I had the debug board would I be able to locate > the source of this problem? Can I add: > > kern.* -/var/log/kern.log > > to syslog.conf to try focus on the kernel. Does anybody have an opinion > that it might not be the kernel? As it happens all the time for various > apps I'm assuming that it's something core. > > Nobody has ever responded to email on this subject so either they're not > getting through to the list or nobody is interested. Will somebody > please reply so that I can tell it's got to the list and nobody is > interested in helping me find my FR's problem. > > Thanks > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From neiljerram at googlemail.com Sat Oct 4 00:39:30 2008 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 23:39:30 +0100 Subject: Where is the SD card... In-Reply-To: <48E6515E.1090802@nlpagan.net> References: <48E63402.40108@nlpagan.net> <48E6361C.9090901@truebox.co.uk> <48E6515E.1090802@nlpagan.net> Message-ID: <49dd78620810031539i6f9a03a9s2accd9f207073864@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/3 Paul : > Now I only have to figure out why I can't ssh to the FR anymore. (FR > can't ping to desktopmachine, while desktop does ping FR ;-) Always > more fun. Sounds like routing. If you mean over Wifi, and your wireless network is 192.168.0/24 (as mine is), the routing through eth0 will conflict with the default route for network-over-USB (usb0). If that's the case, you can solve the problem by running "ifdown usb0" on the FR. (Or leave usb0 up, and instead do a route --del command. Or modify /etc/network/interfaces so that the USB networking uses a different network, say 192.168.1/24, and reboot. I find ifdown easiest.) Regards, Neil From vclark at globalera.com Sat Oct 4 00:42:53 2008 From: vclark at globalera.com (Vince M. Clark) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:42:53 -0600 (MDT) Subject: FDOM and WiFi In-Reply-To: <48E67639.70707@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <13481997.3281223073773746.JavaMail.root@collab> Network is open and I can see it. I tried manually configuring and it sets the essid but doesn't get an IP address. Is there something else I need to do to enable dhcp? root at om-gta02:~# iwconfig eth0 eth0 AR6000 802.11g ESSID:"linksys" Mode:Managed Frequency:2.437 GHz Access Point: 00:0F:66:D2:BB:41 Bit Rate=1 Mb/s Tx-Power=15 dBm Sensitivity=0/3 Retry:on Encryption key:off Power Management:off Link Quality:179/94 Signal level:-172 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:8 root at om-gta02:~# ifconfig eth0 eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:12:CF:8E:E7:AA inet6 addr: fe80::212:cfff:fe8e:e7aa/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:109829 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:14838 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:44459303 (42.3 MiB) TX bytes:146338 (142.9 KiB) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Shiloh" To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" Sent: Friday, October 3, 2008 1:44:57 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: FDOM and WiFi At this point you can try manually configuring the wireless card: iwconfig eth0 essid linksys Does your network have an encryption key? How many letters? I think there is a bug that one letter keys don't work. If your network has an encryption key, I think another bug requires that you set the key before the ID thus: iwconfig eth0 key 123456789 essid linksys Let me know if this works and we'll update the wiki accordingly Michael Vince M. Clark wrote: > Here is the output. I can see the access point but it is not connected > even though in Mofi the circle is orange next to the access point. > > root at om-gta02:~# iwconfig eth0 > eth0 AR6000 802.11g ESSID:"" > Mode:Managed Bit Rate:1 Mb/s Tx-Power=0 dBm Sensitivity=0/3 > Retry:on > Encryption key:off > Power Management:off > Link Quality:0/94 Signal level:-95 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm > Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 > Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 > > > root at om-gta02:~# iwlist eth0 scan > eth0 Scan completed : > Cell 01 - Address: 00:0F:66:D2:BB:41 > ESSID:"linksys" > Mode:Master > Frequency:2.437 GHz (Channel 6) > Quality=15/94 Signal level=-80 dBm Noise level=-95 dBm > Encryption key:off > Extra:bcn_int=100 > _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081003/19534758/attachment.htm From michael at openmoko.org Sat Oct 4 03:02:07 2008 From: michael at openmoko.org (Michael Shiloh) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:02:07 -0700 Subject: FDOM and WiFi In-Reply-To: <13481997.3281223073773746.JavaMail.root@collab> References: <13481997.3281223073773746.JavaMail.root@collab> Message-ID: <48E6C08F.9060000@openmoko.org> After you set the ESSID you need to request an IP address via dhcp: udhcpc eth0 Which is the last line in this command sequence: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN#Manual_attempt Vince M. Clark wrote: > Network is open and I can see it. I tried manually configuring and it > sets the essid but doesn't get an IP address. Is there something else I > need to do to enable dhcp? > > root at om-gta02:~# iwconfig eth0 > eth0 AR6000 802.11g ESSID:"linksys" > Mode:Managed Frequency:2.437 GHz Access Point: > 00:0F:66:D2:BB:41 > Bit Rate=1 Mb/s Tx-Power=15 dBm Sensitivity=0/3 > Retry:on > Encryption key:off > Power Management:off > Link Quality:179/94 Signal level:-172 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm > Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 > Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:8 > > root at om-gta02:~# ifconfig eth0 > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:12:CF:8E:E7:AA > inet6 addr: fe80::212:cfff:fe8e:e7aa/64 Scope:Link > UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:109829 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:14838 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:44459303 (42.3 MiB) TX bytes:146338 (142.9 KiB) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Shiloh" > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" > Sent: Friday, October 3, 2008 1:44:57 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver > Subject: Re: FDOM and WiFi > > At this point you can try manually configuring the wireless card: > > iwconfig eth0 essid linksys > > Does your network have an encryption key? How many letters? I think > there is a bug that one letter keys don't work. > > If your network has an encryption key, I think another bug requires that > you set the key before the ID thus: > > iwconfig eth0 key 123456789 essid linksys > > Let me know if this works and we'll update the wiki accordingly > > Michael > > Vince M. Clark wrote: > > Here is the output. I can see the access point but it is not connected > > even though in Mofi the circle is orange next to the access point. > > > > root at om-gta02:~# iwconfig eth0 > > eth0 AR6000 802.11g ESSID:"" > > Mode:Managed Bit Rate:1 Mb/s Tx-Power=0 dBm > Sensitivity=0/3 > > Retry:on > > Encryption key:off > > Power Management:off > > Link Quality:0/94 Signal level:-95 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm > > Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 > > Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 > > > > > > root at om-gta02:~# iwlist eth0 scan > > eth0 Scan completed : > > Cell 01 - Address: 00:0F:66:D2:BB:41 > > ESSID:"linksys" > > Mode:Master > > Frequency:2.437 GHz (Channel 6) > > Quality=15/94 Signal level=-80 dBm Noise > level=-95 dBm > > Encryption key:off > > Extra:bcn_int=100 > > From nicola.mfb at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 03:17:55 2008 From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 03:17:55 +0200 Subject: [FDOM] dfu-error -71 In-Reply-To: <359c5480810020735p57a0457bnbed781eb0fc1bb71@mail.gmail.com> References: <7ea39d17.55510833.48de1c2f.9a1e@o2.pl> <359c5480810020735p57a0457bnbed781eb0fc1bb71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <359c5480810031817v6ebfc05fpbf04c749540733e4@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/2 Nicola Mfb > 2008/9/27 rhn > >> Hi >> I've just tried to flash my freerunner with the newest FDOM and ran into a >> problem with dfu-util. >> Long story short, here's the console output: >> > > I'm having this problem just now with qtopia, the first time i tried as > normal user i got error 71, the second i tried as root and i got error 84 > !?!? > I tried just now, with a laptop, now the error is -110! 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Nicola -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081004/11845193/attachment.htm From ato at meshy.org Sat Oct 4 04:24:35 2008 From: ato at meshy.org (Alex Osborne) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:24:35 +1000 Subject: [FSO] losetup trouble In-Reply-To: <745990ca.2a3d6172.48e64da6.ef10f@o2.pl> References: <745990ca.2a3d6172.48e64da6.ef10f@o2.pl> Message-ID: <087464F2-6D13-4007-91B4-270F13EF5B69@meshy.org> Hello, On 04/10/2008, at 2:51 AM, rhn wrote: > root at om-gta02:/media/card# touch /dev/loop0 > root at om-gta02:/media/card# losetup /dev/loop0 bigfile > losetup: /dev/loop0 > root at om-gta02:/media/card# ls -l /dev/loop0 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 3 16:31 /dev/loop0 I'm surprised losetup didn't complain. There's not much point in making loop0 a regular file. I have not tried usb storage but: pico:~# ls -la /dev/loop0 brw------- 1 root root 7, 0 Oct 4 12:08 /dev/loop0 pico:~# dd if=/dev/zero of=foo bs=1k count=1k 1024+0 records in 1024+0 records out 1048576 bytes (1.0 MB) copied, 0.208113 s, 5.0 MB/s pico:~# mke2fs foo mke2fs 1.41.1 (01-Sep-2008) [...] pico:~# mkdir /mnt/tmp pico:~# mount -o loop foo /mnt/tmp/ pico:~# ls -la /mnt/tmp/ total 17 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 1024 Oct 4 12:12 . drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Oct 4 12:12 .. drwx------ 2 root root 12288 Oct 4 12:12 lost+found pico:~# mount | grep foo /root/foo on /mnt/tmp type ext2 (rw,loop=/dev/loop0) I imagine normally /dev/loop* should be created by udev. The fact that it doesn't exist might indicate that you don't have loopback device support in your kernel. Check this: pico:~# grep loop /proc/devices 7 loop If it's not there try "modprobe loop". If it is there, delete your bogus /dev/loop0 and recreate it like this: mknod /dev/loop0 b 7 0 Cheers, Alex From charles-henri.gros+openmoko at m4x.org Sat Oct 4 04:25:33 2008 From: charles-henri.gros+openmoko at m4x.org (Charles-Henri Gros) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:25:33 -0700 Subject: duke3d on debian ? In-Reply-To: <1223070095648-1142964.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1223070095648-1142964.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: vale wrote: > someone managed to get the duke3d port for the openmoko with accelerometer > usage working with debian? > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_3D I tried once but it wouldn't resize or rotate (I believe the framebuffer version of X doesn't allow that) > i get it started, but cant get trough the menu because the accelerometer > dont seem to be working. > > there is no hexdump in debian too ... Sure there is: apt-get install bsdmainutils If you like I have a version where you use the touchscreen to get through the menus (I've been hacking at it for a bit) -- Charles-Henri From ato at meshy.org Sat Oct 4 04:36:29 2008 From: ato at meshy.org (Alex Osborne) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:36:29 +1000 Subject: duke3d on debian ? In-Reply-To: References: <1223070095648-1142964.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <931CD91C-2672-448B-80E5-C382A235A8A6@meshy.org> On 04/10/2008, at 12:25 PM, Charles-Henri Gros wrote: > > I tried once but it wouldn't resize or rotate (I believe the > framebuffer > version of X doesn't allow that) Install the xserver-xglamo package to get the version that can be resized and rotated with xrandr. From stryderjzw at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 05:35:19 2008 From: stryderjzw at gmail.com (Justin Wong) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 20:35:19 -0700 Subject: WTS: Freerunner North American edition Message-ID: <69e6de4f0810032035j49f2fb7al5118f4ed7dbb8d5d@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Still looking to sell my Freerunner, as I do not have time to develop for it. It's in great condition, North American 850Hz version. Willing to negotiate price. I'm in Canada and am willing to ship. There's more details here. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Classifieds Cheers! Justin From stryderjzw at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 05:35:19 2008 From: stryderjzw at gmail.com (Justin Wong) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 20:35:19 -0700 Subject: WTS: Freerunner North American edition Message-ID: <69e6de4f0810032035j49f2fb7al5118f4ed7dbb8d5d@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Still looking to sell my Freerunner, as I do not have time to develop for it. It's in great condition, North American 850Hz version. Willing to negotiate price. I'm in Canada and am willing to ship. There's more details here. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Classifieds Cheers! Justin From paul at nlpagan.net Sat Oct 4 08:38:41 2008 From: paul at nlpagan.net (Paul) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 08:38:41 +0200 Subject: Where is the SD card... In-Reply-To: <49dd78620810031539i6f9a03a9s2accd9f207073864@mail.gmail.com> References: <48E63402.40108@nlpagan.net> <48E6361C.9090901@truebox.co.uk> <48E6515E.1090802@nlpagan.net> <49dd78620810031539i6f9a03a9s2accd9f207073864@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E70F71.9070703@nlpagan.net> Hello Neil, >> Now I only have to figure out why I can't ssh to the FR anymore. (FR >> can't ping to desktopmachine, while desktop does ping FR ;-) Always >> more fun. >> > > Sounds like routing. If you mean over Wifi, and your wireless network > is 192.168.0/24 (as mine is), the routing through eth0 will conflict > with the default route for network-over-USB (usb0). If that's the > case, you can solve the problem by running "ifdown usb0" on the FR. > > (Or leave usb0 up, and instead do a route --del command. Or modify > /etc/network/interfaces so that the USB networking uses a different > network, say 192.168.1/24, and reboot. I find ifdown easiest.) > It must be a routing thing. I do not use Wifi (yet), the problem occurs over the USB cable. Maybe I should instead switch off Wifi, then hook up the USB cable and try again. I own the FR since only 2 days, so this is quite a new toy for me. I had it working the first evening, but I don't remember what all I had messed with the FR before to get there. *grin* Thanks for the reaction and the tip! Paul -- Use the right word, not its second cousin. -Mark Twain http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 From guru at unixarea.de Sat Oct 4 09:25:20 2008 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:25:20 +0200 Subject: [2008.9] Wifi now reliable In-Reply-To: <3119e46e0810031034o66034887rd069e5843f33a4eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200810011035.12348.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> <3e29d8b00810010428v1385400cid0910c6b9ce55bfc@mail.gmail.com> <3e29d8b00810022358w21c8b42cw156c3d76d0b15112@mail.gmail.com> <20081003172504.GA19374@rebelion.Sisis.de> <3119e46e0810031034o66034887rd069e5843f33a4eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081004072520.GA5918@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Friday, October 03, 2008 a las 01:34:10PM -0400, Charles Pax escribi?: > On 10/3/08, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > > I own the FR gadget now for 2-3 weeks, I think, and I'm so happy with it > > and I use it in daily work as I did with my normal cellphone, a BenQ > > Siemens S68, which I have returned already because I think the FR is > > stable enough for me; > > > > I can do what I want with it: > > > > - I can SSH to the Linux and install or change what I feel fitting for > > me or missing there; > > - for me Wifi works now as it should; > > - for me GPRS and PPPD together with my smaller laptop (a eeePC 900 on > > which I have installed FreeBSD 7.0) let me go to Internet; I can use > > the FR like a normal router box to Internet; > > > > and > > > > - I can even make phone calls and write SMS to my love > > > Thanks for sharing your experience. Can you write a little about what > distrobution you're using and what problems you had to overcome to get > things working the way you want? Here you can find my step-by-step guide which puts together known stuff from various Wiki pages and own scripts I wrote: http://www.unixarea.de/openmoko.txt comments/improvements are always welcome; and this was the result yesterday: my small laptop connected to Internet with FR as the a GPRS router to Internet: http://www.unixarea.de/20081003-173025.jpg Great stuff this FR!!! matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows From joe at socallinuxexpo.org Sat Oct 4 09:29:25 2008 From: joe at socallinuxexpo.org (Joe Smith) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 00:29:25 -0700 Subject: Invitation for Openmoko at the Southern California Linux Expo Message-ID: <561d69010810040029p776f0e9bh5cd44a321888791b@mail.gmail.com> Greetings, I would once again like to formerly invite the Openmoko project to attend the 7th Annual Southern California Linux Expo. The show will be held February 20th-22nd, 2009 once again at the Westin LAX in Los Angeles, CA. SCALE 7x will be an excellent venue to increase awareness and showcase the work of the Openmoko project. As usual, because Openmoko is an open source project, SCALE will provide a complementary booth on our show floor including all the usual amenities such as a 6' table, chairs, a 500W power drop, one Ethernet drop and 3-5 complementary passes to the show. I am including our application for dotORG exhibitors as well as our Call For Papers. If there is interest in having an Openmoko presence at SCALE 7x, I encourage someone to answer the questions in the application. Any questions, please do not hesitate to ask. Thanks for your time! Joe Smith Student Network Technician Chapman University IS&T http://scale7x.socallinuxexpo.org/s7x_cfp http://scale7x.socallinuxexpo.org/s7x_call_for_dotOrg_exhibitors -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081004/459c3359/attachment.htm From paul at nlpagan.net Sat Oct 4 09:44:00 2008 From: paul at nlpagan.net (Paul) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 09:44:00 +0200 Subject: [2008.9] Wifi now reliable In-Reply-To: <20081004072520.GA5918@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200810011035.12348.roguemoko@roguewrt.org> <3e29d8b00810010428v1385400cid0910c6b9ce55bfc@mail.gmail.com> <3e29d8b00810022358w21c8b42cw156c3d76d0b15112@mail.gmail.com> <20081003172504.GA19374@rebelion.Sisis.de> <3119e46e0810031034o66034887rd069e5843f33a4eb@mail.gmail.com> <20081004072520.GA5918@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <48E71EC0.4090705@nlpagan.net> > Here you can find my step-by-step guide which puts together known stuff > from various Wiki pages and own scripts I wrote: > > http://www.unixarea.de/openmoko.txt > > comments/improvements are always welcome; and this was the result > yesterday: my small laptop connected to Internet with FR as the a GPRS > router to Internet: > > http://www.unixarea.de/20081003-173025.jpg > > Great stuff this FR!!! > And a magnificent post and picture. Thank you! Paul -- Use the right word, not its second cousin. -Mark Twain http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 From nicola.mfb at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 09:46:29 2008 From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:46:29 +0200 Subject: How to build qt-extended? In-Reply-To: <48E6714A.9000307@trolltech.com> References: <359c5480810020621y1a92cbc8sc198253f6a44a481@mail.gmail.com> <48E55B2A.8080408@e4net.com> <359c5480810030055q42c31256n5188a8a45a6263ce@mail.gmail.com> <48E6714A.9000307@trolltech.com> Message-ID: <359c5480810040046w7c18f49ayad2abc9b931caf15@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/3 Lorn Potter > Nicola Mfb wrote: > > 2008/10/3 Jim Morris > > > > > It is activated in the released image. At least I can set the > > encryption on my email account. > > > > > > I just downloaded the updated toolchains, but the problem persist: > > Looks like it configured in ssl to me: > Yes!, but the problem is not here, qbuild does not anything! it simply answer Nothing to be done for "default" Regards Nicola -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081004/bbe81755/attachment.htm From rhn at o2.pl Sat Oct 4 10:33:29 2008 From: rhn at o2.pl (=?UTF-8?Q?rhn?=) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 10:33:29 +0200 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_Re:_[FSO]_losetup_trouble?= In-Reply-To: <087464F2-6D13-4007-91B4-270F13EF5B69@meshy.org> References: <745990ca.2a3d6172.48e64da6.ef10f@o2.pl> <087464F2-6D13-4007-91B4-270F13EF5B69@meshy.org> Message-ID: <646d8630.207f6d96.48e72a59.bc030@o2.pl> ---- Wiadomo?? Oryginalna ---- Od: Alex Osborne Do: List for Openmoko community discussion Data: 4 pa?dziernika 2008 4:24 Temat: Re: [FSO] losetup trouble > Hello, > > On 04/10/2008, at 2:51 AM, rhn wrote: > > > root at om-gta02:/media/card# touch /dev/loop0 > > root at om-gta02:/media/card# losetup /dev/loop0 bigfile > > losetup: /dev/loop0 > > root at om-gta02:/media/card# ls -l /dev/loop0 > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 3 16:31 /dev/loop0 > > I'm surprised losetup didn't complain. There's not much point in > making loop0 a regular file. I have not tried usb storage but: > > pico:~# ls -la /dev/loop0 > brw------- 1 root root 7, 0 Oct 4 12:08 /dev/loop0 > pico:~# dd if=/dev/zero of=foo bs=1k count=1k > 1024+0 records in > 1024+0 records out > 1048576 bytes (1.0 MB) copied, 0.208113 s, 5.0 MB/s > pico:~# mke2fs foo > mke2fs 1.41.1 (01-Sep-2008) > [...] > pico:~# mkdir /mnt/tmp > pico:~# mount -o loop foo /mnt/tmp/ > pico:~# ls -la /mnt/tmp/ > total 17 > drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 1024 Oct 4 12:12 . > drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Oct 4 12:12 .. > drwx------ 2 root root 12288 Oct 4 12:12 lost+found > pico:~# mount | grep foo > /root/foo on /mnt/tmp type ext2 (rw,loop=/dev/loop0) > > I imagine normally /dev/loop* should be created by udev. The fact > that it doesn't exist might indicate that you don't have loopback > device support in your kernel. Check this: > > pico:~# grep loop /proc/devices > 7 loop > > If it's not there try "modprobe loop". > > If it is there, delete your bogus /dev/loop0 and recreate it like this: > > mknod /dev/loop0 b 7 0 > > Cheers, > > Alex > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Thanks! It seems I didn't have the loop module in the kernel. I was sure the device files are created by losetup and the loop support was compiled in the kernel (it was not shown in lsmod). As soon as the repo is back online, I'm going to retry and post the results here. Cheers, rhn From vales at gmx.de Sat Oct 4 10:34:42 2008 From: vales at gmx.de (vale) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 01:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Numptyphysics on Debian@armel In-Reply-To: <48E69469.3010904@gmail.com> References: <48B7EC2F.7000509@gmail.com> <200808291603.09070.vollseil@arcor.de> <48B84BED.8000901@gmail.com> <48BBA2A1.1000301@gmail.com> <1220266292.3425.16.camel@otto.ehbuehl.net> <1223069904275-1142960.post@n2.nabble.com> <48E69469.3010904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1223109282396-1143634.post@n2.nabble.com> sorry michele, which site do you mean? i don't find it :( thank you vale Michele Renda wrote: > > vale wrote: >> is there a working deb package around? >> >> couldn't find that one on the italian forum ... >> >> thanks in advance >> >> vale > > that I know... Still not exist. There is the version from the site! just > unpackt and run the compiled file. > > Michele Renda > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Numptyphysics-on-Debian%40armel-tp792088p1143634.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From robin.paulson at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 11:23:04 2008 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:23:04 +1300 Subject: installing debian without the freerunner? In-Reply-To: <48DE0591.5050502@arcor.de> References: <48DE0591.5050502@arcor.de> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770810040223h360d875dsc210e07cf56194cb@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/27 Arne Zachlod : > i have some problems with my freerunner atm, but i want to install > debian on it. is there a way to do that with the computer instead with > the freerunner? also the freerunner has a very small connection, usb and > wifi are both too slow for me. so, is there a way? yes, it can be done over ssh set up ssh first and a connection to the internet, then follow the instructions here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner From robin.paulson at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 11:28:54 2008 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:28:54 +1300 Subject: usb wifi device neo1973 In-Reply-To: <01D75C4E2F2.000003E1ashleyams@inbox.com> References: <01D75C4E2F2.000003E1ashleyams@inbox.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770810040228m5257949am45b091dc2962add2@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/30 ashley elphick : > can anyone tell me if its possible to use wifi via usb for the neo 1973, if so, is there a tutorial > anywhere to assist me? > any wifi dongle supported by linux with free drivers, will theoretically work with the neo1973. iirc, atheros chipsets are considered to work well with linux, without resorting to proprietary drivers (which probably don't exist for the neo anyway). do a search for wifi open-source drivers or similar no idea about tutorials, though there's nothing specific to the neo that you need to know, beyond how to power the device - lots of info on the wiki for doing that From lucafbb at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 11:29:14 2008 From: lucafbb at gmail.com (Luca) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 11:29:14 +0200 Subject: [FSO] flash the FSO filesystem Message-ID: <27308d500810040229p3de5e85y886f89ce4c334e3d@mail.gmail.com> As found on the documentation, I need to flash on FSO the .jfss2 file on my Freerunner (so I need the om-gta2 file). At this URL http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ I found not a jfss2 file but a jfss2.summary file. Is this the same thing? What I need to flash? Thanks! -- -- luca From vales at gmx.de Sat Oct 4 11:34:22 2008 From: vales at gmx.de (vale) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 02:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Duke Nukem 3D on Openmoko Neo In-Reply-To: References: <436234.79772.qm@web65716.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <48C2101D.1000100@projektenterprises.com> <48C21B69.20907@internode.on.net> <961215.14432.qm@web65716.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <48C2DB13.1080808@openmoko.com> <1221527714475-1091674.post@n2.nabble.com> <1221530256778-1091696.post@n2.nabble.com> <1222190344121-1113016.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1223112862904-1143663.post@n2.nabble.com> hi, i'm trying to use it with debian. i get it started (without sound) //open /dev/sequencer or /dev/snd/seq: No such file or directory hexdump of the 2 accels gives me data. but when i enter the game i get to the choose episodes menu and then i can't do anything, touchscreen not working and moving it doesn't help either. someone can help? thx in advance vale -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Duke-Nukem-3D-on-Openmoko-Neo-tp842627p1143663.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From vales at gmx.de Sat Oct 4 11:37:30 2008 From: vales at gmx.de (vale) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 02:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: duke3d on debian ? In-Reply-To: <931CD91C-2672-448B-80E5-C382A235A8A6@meshy.org> References: <1223070095648-1142964.post@n2.nabble.com> <931CD91C-2672-448B-80E5-C382A235A8A6@meshy.org> Message-ID: <1223113050812-1143665.post@n2.nabble.com> thank you! i installed xglamo package, and now screen rotates and resizes! duke3d then starts but i can't get through the menu because touscreen or accels don't do anything hexdump of /dev/input/event2 and 3 gives me some data, so thats ok i think. also the right click patch is not working with xglamo i think :( some ideas? thanks vale Alex Osborne wrote: > > > On 04/10/2008, at 12:25 PM, Charles-Henri Gros wrote: > >> >> I tried once but it wouldn't resize or rotate (I believe the >> framebuffer >> version of X doesn't allow that) > > Install the xserver-xglamo package to get the version that can be > resized and rotated with xrandr. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/duke3d-on-debian---tp1142964p1143665.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Quakeman1 at gmx.net Sat Oct 4 11:38:03 2008 From: Quakeman1 at gmx.net (Fox Mulder) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 11:38:03 +0200 Subject: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.4 In-Reply-To: References: <1222292842.12655.23.camel@localhost> <48E4F7A5.40808@gmx.net> Message-ID: <48E7397B.3080407@gmx.net> joakim at verona.se wrote: > My .deb doesnt appear to miss these icons, except brightness.png. > I cant find the brightness.png file in the src tgz. When i take a look at the .deb with "dpkg-deb -c openmoko-panel-plugin_0.4-1_all.deb" i can see that all my mentioned icons are missing. But maybe there is a newer version out which solves this. I use brightness.png from an unofficial pre-0.4 version and i attached it to this mail. Just copy it to the right folder and the icon appears and you can change the brightness. :) arne anka wrote: >> My .deb doesnt appear to miss these icons, except brightness.png. >> I cant find the brightness.png file in the src tgz. > > now that you mention it -- wifi is not shown. > i get the brightness dialog randomly and though it was a second > functionality of the battery icon ... You have to enable it in the openmoko-panel-plugin file. Just set 'self.wifiIconShow = False;' to true and the wlan icon appears again. The developer disabled it because wlan reassociation doesn't work reliably for many users. But i had no problems so far with reassociation to my AP after disabling wlan and reenabling it. Ciao, Rainer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: brightness.png Type: image/png Size: 2844 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081004/033c41fb/attachment.png From Quakeman1 at gmx.net Sat Oct 4 11:56:09 2008 From: Quakeman1 at gmx.net (Fox Mulder) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 11:56:09 +0200 Subject: duke3d on debian ? In-Reply-To: <1223113050812-1143665.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1223070095648-1142964.post@n2.nabble.com> <931CD91C-2672-448B-80E5-C382A235A8A6@meshy.org> <1223113050812-1143665.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <48E73DB9.2060902@gmx.net> Right click patch isn't implemented in xglamo so far. It's also really bad that there exists the xglamo package which seems to work but no really progress is made to use it as default for debian. Only with xglamo rotation and other usefull stuff works right. I wish there would be some news about the progress with xglamo and debian. :) For the duke3d part i'm also curious how to get past the menu because i'm also stuck at this point where nothing works for me to start a level. My accels also both give data with hexdump but i can't use them within duke3d in the menu. Ciao, Rainer vale wrote: > thank you! > > i installed xglamo package, > > and now screen rotates and resizes! duke3d then starts but i can't get > through the menu because touscreen or accels don't do anything > > hexdump of /dev/input/event2 and 3 gives me some data, so thats ok i think. > > also the right click patch is not working with xglamo i think :( > > some ideas? > > thanks > > vale > > > Alex Osborne wrote: >> >> On 04/10/2008, at 12:25 PM, Charles-Henri Gros wrote: >> >>> I tried once but it wouldn't resize or rotate (I believe the >>> framebuffer >>> version of X doesn't allow that) >> Install the xserver-xglamo package to get the version that can be >> resized and rotated with xrandr. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > From paul at nlpagan.net Sat Oct 4 12:40:38 2008 From: paul at nlpagan.net (Paul) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:40:38 +0200 Subject: SSH (was: Re: Where is the SD card...) In-Reply-To: <48E70F71.9070703@nlpagan.net> References: <48E63402.40108@nlpagan.net> <48E6361C.9090901@truebox.co.uk> <48E6515E.1090802@nlpagan.net> <49dd78620810031539i6f9a03a9s2accd9f207073864@mail.gmail.com> <48E70F71.9070703@nlpagan.net> Message-ID: <48E74826.1020400@nlpagan.net> > It must be a routing thing. > It was a patience thing. It takes a while before the SSH login from the FR appears... Patience is one of my lesser virtues. *grin* Paul -- Use the right word, not its second cousin. -Mark Twain http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 From m.camenzind at live.com Sat Oct 4 12:52:06 2008 From: m.camenzind at live.com (Matthias Camenzind) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:52:06 +0000 Subject: [debian] going to install - hints? In-Reply-To: <18db98c80810030833q623f1e2al9bef664e5619716a@mail.gmail.com> References: <18db98c80810020207y79dbbd8cj3223f1679a52c176@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620810020404v54d77e1cs86726d2625fb6778@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80810020540x569b3381k63e4a9256ae75f76@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78620810021406j4a1028f0i7249e439eaa83c7f@mail.gmail.com> <1223040694047-1141963.post@n2.nabble.com> <18db98c80810030652j5056f0band8f8f3d7adc2ffd9@mail.gmail.com> <1223047686109-1142228.post@n2.nabble.com> <18db98c80810030833q623f1e2al9bef664e5619716a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > (do you managed to follow the instructions? if you have hints for the wiki, please tell us!) > I have no idea... i'm sorry. hoping for an answer from those who are in with debian. > d > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Hire wrote: > > Now I get: > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > zhone-session: Depends: fso-frameworkd but it is not going to be installed > E: Broken packages > > Why? > -- > View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--going-to-install---hints--tp1133446p1142228.html > Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. I followed the link above and found this solution: http://dgym.homeunix.net/projects/freerunner/debian-install/ Before unmount i installed also the kernel with ./install.sh kernel I allways used SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh so i haven't to configure uboot. Debian is running know fine (I'm already using uboot version of shipping state) Thank you for the Link. _________________________________________________________________ Die neue Generation der Windows Live Services - jetzt downloaden! http://get.live.com From GNUtoo at no-log.org Sat Oct 4 12:56:19 2008 From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (GNUtoo at no-log.org) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:56:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Mplayer,mplayer-svn and youtube In-Reply-To: References: <34631.AFRWVFxVXSs=.1222362509.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> Message-ID: <35356.AFRWCgwHWXY=.1223117779.squirrel@webmail.no-log.org> > However check that mplayer is using oss and not alsa, since the first > one seems to be really faster... much better with oss...but still some little sync problem here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9rh5gV_dro (gta4(the game not the phone) trailer) From risto at kurppa.fi Sat Oct 4 13:07:34 2008 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:07:34 +0300 Subject: A Call for community action In-Reply-To: <48DE6FAC.3010604@openmoko.com> References: <200809260933.20747.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <48DE6FAC.3010604@openmoko.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Steve Mosher wrote: > The other day I was pondering all the things the community does for us. > They give us new ideas, test our product and give us honest feedback, > keep us true to our commitment for openness ( the idea to release the > CAD files came from the community, help us market the product, and they > fix bugs. > > Recently I was reviewing the goals for 2008.10, and I wondered what else > is on the list of things that need fixing. SO I asked the testing team > to give me a list of bugs that didnt make the 2008.10 list. > > My idea. throw these out to community and see if folks would pick a bug > and try to fix it, actually sign up to try to fix it, so we get a > coordinated effort. Sean liked the idea and I thought it was worth a try. > > Here is the list of Bugs, look through the list and if your moved to > action just respond with a mail to the list: Any of these fixed already? r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From lucafbb at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 14:14:38 2008 From: lucafbb at gmail.com (Luca) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:14:38 +0200 Subject: [FSO] FSO repositories Message-ID: <27308d500810040514k47488910n37fad469f72f5527@mail.gmail.com> I finally installed the FSO on my FR. First of all It seems that the repositories called when I run the opkg update aren't correct. I need to change those as I did for the ASU release? URL used are something like: http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta02/Packages.gz I need some fix? -- -- luca From wesselch at gmx.net Sat Oct 4 14:32:04 2008 From: wesselch at gmx.net (Christian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?We=DFel?=) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:32:04 +0000 Subject: GPS Antenna In-Reply-To: References: <1222257626.3581.71.camel@localhost> <48DA5CF9.9010802@millions.ca> <1223050795.3581.301.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1223123524.3581.304.camel@localhost> I have decided for the following antenna: http://www.reichelt.de/?;ACTION=3;LA=5;GROUP=G89;GROUPID=878;ARTICLE=74954;START=0;SORT=preis;OFFSET=16;SID=15aIVBFdS4AQ8AAGOwdwU13bbc4eccabc271cc42c8e96b13059d5 After tests I will report by wiki. christian Am Freitag, den 03.10.2008, 21:56 +0200 schrieb Torfinn Ingolfsen: > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Christian We?el wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > who has an external GPS antenna operating successfull with FR? > > > > I use this one: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/External_GPS_antennas#Haicom_GPS-AHI-101 > It works nicely both with my FreeRunner and my 1973. -- mfg/br, christian we?el Flurstra?e 14 29640 Schneverdingen Germany E-Mail: wesselch at gmx.net Telefon: +49 5193 97 14 95 Mobile: +49 171 357 59 57 http://wesselch.homelinux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081004/6124cb45/attachment.pgp From lucafbb at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 14:47:43 2008 From: lucafbb at gmail.com (Luca) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:47:43 +0200 Subject: [FSO] flash the FSO filesystem In-Reply-To: <27308d500810040229p3de5e85y886f89ce4c334e3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <27308d500810040229p3de5e85y886f89ce4c334e3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <27308d500810040547l71cf9449t9187dfb0c767d312@mail.gmail.com> FIXED (I think) The .summary file worked. On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Luca wrote: > As found on the documentation, I need to flash on FSO the .jfss2 file > on my Freerunner (so I need the om-gta2 file). > At this URL > http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ > I found not a jfss2 file but a jfss2.summary file. > > Is this the same thing? What I need to flash? > > Thanks! > > -- > -- luca > -- -- luca From ranma+openmoko at tdiedrich.de Sat Oct 4 14:49:31 2008 From: ranma+openmoko at tdiedrich.de (Tobias Diedrich) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:49:31 +0200 Subject: GPS Antenna In-Reply-To: <1223050795.3581.301.camel@localhost> References: <1222257626.3581.71.camel@localhost> <48DA5CF9.9010802@millions.ca> <1223050795.3581.301.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20081004124931.GA24857@yamamaya.is-a-geek.org> Christian We?el wrote: > Hi folks, > > who has an external GPS antenna operating successfull with FR? > > Which brand? > Where to get? > > I check the first one without success, so I need to look for a fit one. I've got a HaiCom GPS Antenna with internal preamplifier, which works fine with my HaiCom PCMCIA card and the Freerunner, but fails to work with my Medion PNA (I guess it does not provider power to the connector). HTH, -- Tobias PGP: http://9ac7e0bc.uguu.de ?????????????????????????? From risto at kurppa.fi Sat Oct 4 14:56:51 2008 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:56:51 +0300 Subject: The Lost Openmoko Community Message-ID: Hi! After my previous blog post [1] about Openmoko 2007.2 distribution and the Openmoko community I got some comments proving that like me, some other people feel that the community is lost and uninformed. This post is a follow up to the previous post and the comments I got. I've understood that 2007.2 still ships with the phones. As soon as one gets his new c00l Freerunner linux phone they need to flash the phone with a new distro (2008.x or Debian, FDOM, SHR, Gentoo, Qtopia, FSO.. [6]) since the software it ships with is obsolete. OK, so you get your 2008.x there and find that it doesn't really do all the magic and would like to report a bug. BUGS I don't know how others feel but I really don't feel like reporting bugs in the bug tracker [3]. OK, I'm running an unsupported distro (2007.2) so there's one reason but I also feel that it's okay to post kernel bugs only there, not anything that a normal user would see in his GUI. Is this correct or just a feeling or misunderstanding? Remember that all Freerunner owners and people here in the community are not kernel developers. I don't even know how to save back traces or hack the source code but I'm happy to report if something doesn't work and then when someone more skillful finds what's wrong and eventually fixes it, I'm again happy to try if the fix works for me. For some reason I feel that there's no space in the community for users like me. DISTROS So it's 2008.x now. No, wait.. there are FDOM [5] and SHR [2] around that are not far from 2008.x. Is 2007.2 still developed and lead by Openmoko or by the community? Do the community developers have access to the files so that new releases can be made or is SHR the closest to 2007.2 you can get to? My feeling is that there was a lack of information about why 2007.2 was forgotten and new 2008.x series was started and that something weird is happening in the official distros that creates a need for FDOM and SHR - why don't the developers feel ok to contribute directly to 2007.x and 2008.x but 'fork' their own distros? INFORMATION I think that what makes me feel lost is the lack of information about what's happening in the community. I don't know what's the development status of the software or what's the general direction the community and/or Openmoko is heading to? Having a better view on the general situation makes one feel much more comfortable and secure: now I feel that I just wait to see what the next release's like not being able to know what to wait for. NEXT STEPS People working at Openmoko and other software developers: * Please check 'Community Management as Open Source's Core Competency' by David Eaves [4] and have a good look at the the Openmoko community. It needs management! * Please write a blog post once a week or so to planet.openmoko.org and the community mailing list telling the community what's going on. Five to ten lines is enough to help the community feel better! * Please respect your community! Other community members: * How do you feel about the current situation? How happy are you with the community? * Do you feel well informed? Do you know what's the direction we're heading to? * How would you like to contribute? Thanks! ps. I posted this also in my blog: http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/the-lost-openmoko-community/ r [1] http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/openmoko-20072-distros-and-community/ [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release [3] https://docs.openmoko.org/trac [4] http://eaves.ca/2006/12/17/community-management-as-open-sources-core-competency/ [5] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM_-_a_Fat_and_Dirty_OM_based_distribution [6] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From previdi.roberto at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 15:04:30 2008 From: previdi.roberto at gmail.com (Previdi Roberto) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:04:30 +0200 Subject: Building FSO Wiki page In-Reply-To: <48C158DD.4030707@internode.on.net> References: <48C1538D.7060105@gmail.com> <48C158DD.4030707@internode.on.net> Message-ID: building it is what makes all the difference, you have the source so you can modify one line of code, rebuild and test it.. I also think the building_fso page is confusing, because the second part of page talks about directories that don't exist using the makefile procedure, so you cannot gradually pass from automatic to manual.. but i admit that i didn't look much into the openembedded page, so probably i must just understand better. anyway, using the automatic procedure (the makefile) i have some problems: 1) the build stops at the ttf-liberation-0.2-r2 package, install phase, and the install log is empty 2) if i issue a make update openembedded complains that it don't know where to update from... i actually know less than him, so the only way to update the distribution for me is to delete all and restart from the wget makefile step.. this is the error i get: * roby at roby-laptop ~/openmoko/fso-makefile $ make update ( cd common ; git pull ) Already up-to-date. ( cd bitbake ; svn up ) At revision 1092. ( cd openembedded ; git pull ) remote: Counting objects: 47, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (30/30), done. remote: Total 30 (delta 24), reused 0 (delta 0) Unpacking objects: 100% (30/30), done. >From git://git.openembedded.net/org.openembedded.dev 7c2adf8..682d3d3 org.openembedded.dev -> origin/org.openembedded.dev You asked me to pull without telling me which branch you want to merge with, and 'branch.master.merge' in your configuration file does not tell me either. Please name which branch you want to merge on the command line and try again (e.g. 'git pull '). See git-pull(1) for details on the refspec. If you often merge with the same branch, you may want to configure the following variables in your configuration file: branch.master.remote = branch.master.merge = remote..url = remote..fetch = See git-config(1) for details. make: *** [update-openembedded] Error 1* 3) which other branches are present? how do i list them? i mean: i have managed to build the fso-testing-image branch, modifying the bb files that depended on the ttf-liberation package. by doing this i must remove the terminal bb recipe, and so it's difficult to use it actually. so i tried to build fso-stable-image, but it stops the compilation on the same package (ttf-liberation, same version) and with the identical sympthoms (empty log file). is there actually any difference between fso-testing and fso-stable? 4) last but not least, the fso image i have created (fso-testing, removing the ttf-liberation package) is not able to connect to the gsm network, and write "No service" over the band meter icon. Is this expected? anyway, i will try to flash the prebuilt image, but i would like to know how that images are built if on my pc it actually fails.. any other got the ttf-liberation problem? roberto previdi On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Dale Maggee wrote: > > Sorry but want to build FSO and flash it into my FR and do some work. If > > I can make the wiki clearer in the process then well and good. Perhaps > > it's just me that gets confused ;-) > > > Do you need to build it? > > you can download an image for milestone 2 from > http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ > > Apparently milestone 3 will be out in a day or two... > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081004/eb8d5c7d/attachment.htm From m.camenzind at live.com Sat Oct 4 15:14:09 2008 From: m.camenzind at live.com (Matthias Camenzind) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 13:14:09 +0000 Subject: Tango GPS shows GPS Times form 1999 Message-ID: I've installed Debian on microSD 2GB with Xfce, tangogps and fso-gpsd. The "Trip" section is normaly showing a GPS Time from 1999-11-30 00:00:00 somtimes GPS Time changes short to 2006 or 2007. Tangogps on Om2008.8 shows 1970. On both 0/0 Satellites HDOP 0.0. Is there something wrong with my GPS device? _________________________________________________________________ Die neue Generation der Windows Live Services - jetzt downloaden! http://get.live.com From peter at neubauer.se Sat Oct 4 16:02:34 2008 From: peter at neubauer.se (Peter Neubauer) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:02:34 +0200 Subject: Freerunner loading in USB host mode? Message-ID: <308579740810040702w6809c89do239bea5490338afa@mail.gmail.com> Hi there, I am thinking about trying switch the FR (running Debian) to USB host mode, put in a USB hub and connect a external USB Disk, a keyboard, a mouse and the USB charger that comes with the FR. Would that work, that is, can the FR be charged while being in host mode so the battery doesn't get drained at once by the external drive? Cheers /peter GTalk: neubauer.peter Skype peter.neubauer ICQ 18762544 Phone +46704 106975 LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/neubauer Twitter http://twitter.com/peterneubauer http://www.neo4j.org - New Energy for Data - the Graph Database. http://www.ops4j.org - New Energy for OSS Communities - Open Participation Software. http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java - Domain Driven Development. From dv_mlist at verizon.net Sat Oct 4 16:06:46 2008 From: dv_mlist at verizon.net (digger vermont) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 10:06:46 -0400 Subject: [FSO] FSO repositories In-Reply-To: <27308d500810040514k47488910n37fad469f72f5527@mail.gmail.com> References: <27308d500810040514k47488910n37fad469f72f5527@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1223129206.29007.14.camel@judy> On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 14:14 +0200, Luca wrote: > I finally installed the FSO on my FR. > > First of all It seems that the repositories called when I run the opkg > update aren't correct. I need to change those as I did for the ASU > release? > > URL used are something like: > http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta02/Packages.gz > > I need some fix? > If you are running a straight FSO Milestone that's about it. So far there have been little to no updates. If you are using fso-testing or fso-unstable you can install the appropriate dist-feed-configs ipk at http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/ Remember though the prevailing wisdom is to not update from a distro different from the one you installed. digger -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081004/6309720e/attachment.pgp From joakim at verona.se Sat Oct 4 16:14:13 2008 From: joakim at verona.se (joakim at verona.se) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:14:13 +0200 Subject: [debian] State of annoying memory card corruption bug? Message-ID: It is rather annoying to fix the memory card whenever it gets corrupted and wont boot. I know there are workaround scripts, but they dont work for me, since I most often get corruption after booting after unexpected power down. Is there any progress on this bug? Any working workarounds ? -- Joakim Verona From rhn at o2.pl Sat Oct 4 16:30:02 2008 From: rhn at o2.pl (=?UTF-8?Q?rhn?=) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:30:02 +0200 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_[FSO]_FSO_repositories?= In-Reply-To: <27308d500810040514k47488910n37fad469f72f5527@mail.gmail.com> References: <27308d500810040514k47488910n37fad469f72f5527@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1ce31ad3.ee7fe0.48e77dea.74c@o2.pl> ---- Wiadomo?? Oryginalna ---- Od: Luca Do: "List for Openmoko community discussion" Data: 4 pa?dziernika 2008 14:14 Temat: [FSO] FSO repositories > I finally installed the FSO on my FR. > > First of all It seems that the repositories called when I run the opkg > update aren't correct. I need to change those as I did for the ASU > release? > > URL used are something like: > http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta02/Packages.gz > > I need some fix? > > -- > -- luca > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community The testing repo seems to be down at the moment. Does anyone know why? From triveros at enable.cl Sat Oct 4 16:40:23 2008 From: triveros at enable.cl (Tomas Riveros Schober) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 10:40:23 -0400 Subject: The Lost Openmoko Community In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E78057.8020406@enable.cl> My brother feels exactly like you. he's not really a techie and depends on me for most stuff....however i tought him how to report bugs and watch the tracker, but he gets dissapointed that whenever he tries to report something its either already there or he doesnt have the logs required. Thing is, he packed his freerunner in the box and saved it for when its more developed (aka, ready). I'm more of a tinkerer so im happy to have a half-assed phone, with lots of noise and echo and not a good alarm (i had to buy something else to wake me in the morning reliably), and usually flash every other distro every other day and test stuff. However, I do believe that there's lack of community communication with openmoko...we dont know their plan or priorities (ie, for many many users, first and foremost we need a phone without noise or echo, but there seems to be little done by openmoko in that area). Also showing lack of focus is the releases. There have been some patches that dont appear to be implemented in 2008.x but FDOM has had it since the beginning (gtk fix, dns resolv, or the infamous keyboard debate) I think that's it for now, sorry for the long post, but it's 2 users around here. Tom Risto H. Kurppa escribi?: > > BUGS > I don't know how others feel but I really don't feel like reporting > bugs in the bug tracker [3]. OK, I'm running an unsupported distro > (2007.2) so there's one reason but I also feel that it's okay to post > kernel bugs only there, not anything that a normal user would see in > his GUI. Is this correct or just a feeling or misunderstanding? > Remember that all Freerunner owners and people here in the community > are not kernel developers. I don't even know how to save back traces > or hack the source code but I'm happy to report if something doesn't > work and then when someone more skillful finds what's wrong and > eventually fixes it, I'm again happy to try if the fix works for me. > For some reason I feel that there's no space in the community for > users like me. > > From michele.renda at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 16:58:06 2008 From: michele.renda at gmail.com (Michele Renda) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:58:06 +0200 Subject: The Lost Openmoko Community In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E7847E.7040405@gmail.com> Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > > Other community members: > > * How do you feel about the current situation? How happy are you > with the community? > * Do you feel well informed? Do you know what's the direction > we're heading to? > * How would you like to contribute? Hello Risto Thank you for your post. I think you wrote something that a lot of person think. I can only add my personal point of view: I don't know what Openmoko is working for, for me their work is a dbus interface. It seem to be a very good work! For the rest I don't use 200*.* I am using Debian and I am happy with it. I use the programs from Debian and I am trying to supply what still not exist. According me we must to try to develop the missiong application for 200*.* to make it usable. I tryed and I saw that is not too much complicated, there are very usefull dbus interface. So... In the end, I don't considerate myself unrespected. There is only a lot of work to do, and who can must to try to help on the accessory part that trasform a normal phone, in a super phone. Best regards Michele Renda From charles-henri.gros+openmoko at m4x.org Sat Oct 4 17:08:12 2008 From: charles-henri.gros+openmoko at m4x.org (Charles-Henri Gros) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 08:08:12 -0700 Subject: duke3d on debian ? In-Reply-To: <48E73DB9.2060902@gmx.net> References: <1223070095648-1142964.post@n2.nabble.com> <931CD91C-2672-448B-80E5-C382A235A8A6@meshy.org> <1223113050812-1143665.post@n2.nabble.com> <48E73DB9.2060902@gmx.net> Message-ID: Fox Mulder wrote: > Right click patch isn't implemented in xglamo so far. > It's also really bad that there exists the xglamo package which seems to > work but no really progress is made to use it as default for debian. > Only with xglamo rotation and other usefull stuff works right. > I wish there would be some news about the progress with xglamo and > debian. :) > > For the duke3d part i'm also curious how to get past the menu because > i'm also stuck at this point where nothing works for me to start a > level. My accels also both give data with hexdump but i can't use them > within duke3d in the menu. The version of duke3d I started with skipped through menus directly to the game. I worked on it to have it work with the touchscreen. It requires a patched version of xglamo (fxing this bug: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1244#comment:41 ) For those interested I can make available my modified binaries for both duke and xglamo. I can of course also provide the modified sources (actually, I *have* to) -- Charles-Henri From charles-henri.gros+openmoko at m4x.org Sat Oct 4 17:16:41 2008 From: charles-henri.gros+openmoko at m4x.org (Charles-Henri Gros) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 08:16:41 -0700 Subject: duke3d on debian ? In-Reply-To: References: <1223070095648-1142964.post@n2.nabble.com> <931CD91C-2672-448B-80E5-C382A235A8A6@meshy.org> <1223113050812-1143665.post@n2.nabble.com> <48E73DB9.2060902@gmx.net> Message-ID: Charles-Henri Gros wrote: > Fox Mulder wrote: >> Right click patch isn't implemented in xglamo so far. >> It's also really bad that there exists the xglamo package which seems to >> work but no really progress is made to use it as default for debian. >> Only with xglamo rotation and other usefull stuff works right. >> I wish there would be some news about the progress with xglamo and >> debian. :) >> >> For the duke3d part i'm also curious how to get past the menu because >> i'm also stuck at this point where nothing works for me to start a >> level. My accels also both give data with hexdump but i can't use them >> within duke3d in the menu. > > The version of duke3d I started with skipped through menus directly to > the game. > > I worked on it to have it work with the touchscreen. > > It requires a patched version of xglamo (fxing this bug: > https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1244#comment:41 > ) > > For those interested I can make available my modified binaries for both > duke and xglamo. I can of course also provide the modified sources > (actually, I *have* to) There you go: http://charles-henri.org/duke3d http://charles-henri.org/Xglamo http://charles-henri.org/duke3d.tar.gz The buttons are: jump escape prev weapon next weapon open/accept fire In menus, click to the left to go back In y/n menus, click "open" to accept / "escape" to cancel (I'm not sure the latter works) -- Charles-Henri From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt Sat Oct 4 17:42:02 2008 From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:42:02 +0100 Subject: The Lost Openmoko Community In-Reply-To: <48E7847E.7040405@gmail.com> References: <48E7847E.7040405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081004164202.87285s40zszulmgw@w10.mail.sapo.pt> To all, but especially OM. I felt a little cheated when I saw the FR I had bought was not ready to be used as a daily phone. This had in fact been the publicity by OM at the time - GTA01 was for tinkerers, and GTA02 was for the public. Then people said "no, it was clear that GTA02 was also for tinkerers only"... well, whatever; I decided to ignore that, be positive, and contribute with bug reports while waiting for a decent basic distro that would control the device as expected and serve as a development platform. But just like the others, I don't know what OM (the company) is doing. I know it is keeping FSO on track, which was always the real objective of OM (the project) and this is a Good Thing. But I don't understand why there are so many distros, and none of them works as a solid basic system. OM (the company) should have only sold the GTA02 when the hardware and kernel and drivers where tested and ready. Or, if that was not possible due to time-to-market constraints, then it should have called for the community's help for doing just that: getting the device to work. Instead, it went ahead telling us "the Neo is a blank slate, a canvas to paint on"... and the people who have painted, have lost many of their paintings, and even the will to paint. At least, they won't paint with OM brushes. It is too frustrating and time-consuming. Enough ranting. Personally, I need a working device. Kernel, drivers, daemons, system scripts, all of this must be in place to allow the device's hardware to be controlled at the flick of a software switch. GPRS+GSM muxing must be included by default. WIFI must work correctly by default. Bluetooth must work as well as in any other distro by default. And for god's sake, AUDIO must work as intended by default (it IS a phone after all). Only after OM guarantees these minimum requirements can it ask the community to go ahead and innovate... Don't waste your time on GUIs or eye-candy apps; give us a device with a rock solid subsystem and a command shell, and we will fill in the blanks and build from there. Vasco. Citando Michele Renda : > Risto H. Kurppa wrote: >> >> Other community members: >> >> * How do you feel about the current situation? How happy are you >> with the community? >> * Do you feel well informed? Do you know what's the direction >> we're heading to? >> * How would you like to contribute? > > > Hello Risto > > Thank you for your post. I think you wrote something that a lot of > person think. > > I can only add my personal point of view: > I don't know what Openmoko is working for, for me their work is a dbus > interface. It seem to be a very good work! > > For the rest I don't use 200*.* I am using Debian and I am happy with > it. I use the programs from Debian and I am trying to supply what still > not exist. > > According me we must to try to develop the missiong application for > 200*.* to make it usable. I tryed and I saw that is not too much > complicated, there are very usefull dbus interface. > > So... In the end, I don't considerate myself unrespected. There is only > a lot of work to do, and who can must to try to help on the accessory > part that trasform a normal phone, in a super phone. > > Best regards > Michele Renda > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From hiretto at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 18:00:05 2008 From: hiretto at gmail.com (Hire) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The Lost Openmoko Community In-Reply-To: <48E78057.8020406@enable.cl> References: <48E78057.8020406@enable.cl> Message-ID: <1223136005018-1198538.post@n2.nabble.com> For me the solution is "simple": improve fso, paroli, tichy and say "goodbye qtopia". The actual stack, om2008.* sux. I find it absolutely not functional. Instead, it will be cool to see SHR on freerunner because merged the power of new framework with the old stack ( 2007.4 ) that seems to be almost stable. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/The-Lost-Openmoko-Community-tp1143809p1198538.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From openmoko at ginguppin.de Sat Oct 4 18:12:23 2008 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 18:12:23 +0200 Subject: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.4 In-Reply-To: <48E7397B.3080407@gmx.net> References: <1222292842.12655.23.camel@localhost> <48E4F7A5.40808@gmx.net> <48E7397B.3080407@gmx.net> Message-ID: > You have to enable it in the openmoko-panel-plugin file. Just set ah, thanks a lot. From mf1910 at vip.cybercity.dk Sat Oct 4 18:23:48 2008 From: mf1910 at vip.cybercity.dk (Michael Frandsen) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 18:23:48 +0200 Subject: The Lost Openmoko Community In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1223137428.27352.26.camel@mf-MAIN> On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 15:56 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Hi! > > After my previous blog post [1] about Openmoko 2007.2 distribution and > the Openmoko community I got some comments proving that like me, some > other people feel that the community is lost and uninformed. This post > is a follow up to the previous post and the comments I got. > > I've understood that 2007.2 still ships with the phones. As soon as > one gets his new c00l Freerunner linux phone they need to flash the > phone with a new distro (2008.x or Debian, FDOM, SHR, Gentoo, Qtopia, > FSO.. [6]) since the software it ships with is obsolete. OK, so you > get your 2008.x there and find that it doesn't really do all the magic > and would like to report a bug. > > BUGS > I don't know how others feel but I really don't feel like reporting > bugs in the bug tracker [3]. OK, I'm running an unsupported distro > (2007.2) so there's one reason but I also feel that it's okay to post > kernel bugs only there, not anything that a normal user would see in > his GUI. Is this correct or just a feeling or misunderstanding? > Remember that all Freerunner owners and people here in the community > are not kernel developers. I don't even know how to save back traces > or hack the source code but I'm happy to report if something doesn't > work and then when someone more skillful finds what's wrong and > eventually fixes it, I'm again happy to try if the fix works for me. > For some reason I feel that there's no space in the community for > users like me. > > DISTROS > So it's 2008.x now. No, wait.. there are FDOM [5] and SHR [2] around > that are not far from 2008.x. Is 2007.2 still developed and lead by > Openmoko or by the community? Do the community developers have access > to the files so that new releases can be made or is SHR the closest to > 2007.2 you can get to? My feeling is that there was a lack of > information about why 2007.2 was forgotten and new 2008.x series was > started and that something weird is happening in the official distros > that creates a need for FDOM and SHR - why don't the developers feel > ok to contribute directly to 2007.x and 2008.x but 'fork' their own > distros? > > INFORMATION > I think that what makes me feel lost is the lack of information about > what's happening in the community. I don't know what's the development > status of the software or what's the general direction the community > and/or Openmoko is heading to? Having a better view on the general > situation makes one feel much more comfortable and secure: now I feel > that I just wait to see what the next release's like not being able to > know what to wait for. > > NEXT STEPS > People working at Openmoko and other software developers: > > * Please check 'Community Management as Open Source's Core > Competency' by David Eaves [4] and have a good look at the the > Openmoko community. It needs management! > * Please write a blog post once a week or so to > planet.openmoko.org and the community mailing list telling the > community what's going on. Five to ten lines is enough to help the > community feel better! > * Please respect your community! > > Other community members: > > * How do you feel about the current situation? How happy are you > with the community? > * Do you feel well informed? Do you know what's the direction > we're heading to? > * How would you like to contribute? > > > Thanks! > > ps. I posted this also in my blog: > http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/the-lost-openmoko-community/ > > > r > > [1] http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/openmoko-20072-distros-and-community/ > [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release > [3] https://docs.openmoko.org/trac > [4] http://eaves.ca/2006/12/17/community-management-as-open-sources-core-competency/ > [5] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM_-_a_Fat_and_Dirty_OM_based_distribution > [6] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions > > > I feel more or less the same way. I am a software developer but have no experience in linux development, not that I don't want too. My goal buying the neo was mainly to have a portable device with gps and different means of communication. Since in my work I have become more and more specialise in one area I wanted to expand my knowledge in a new area. The first I did was flash 2008.08 and get usb and wifi up running but I fast realise that the system software was to unstable to make it really useable. It crash to often and drain battery to fast. A week ago there were a call to get community to contribute in bug tracking and yesterday I struggled to figure out how to build everything so that I maybe could assist in bug tracking. until now I find it very confusing all the guides follow a general approach where I don't really know what is going on. I managed to build an image (took a few hours) but I have no idea what image and where to find the source code. Maybe it's me lacking experience from other linux projects I don't know but normally I easy can get source install required libraries ./configure and make change some code make again test it out but not here. I have not give up but I really wish I could contribute more I keep on trying and wait and hope for things to get fixed. that's most I can hope right now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On both 0/0 Satellites HDOP 0.0. > Is there something wrong with my GPS device? > _________________________________________________________________ > Die neue Generation der Windows Live Services - jetzt downloaden! > http://get.live.com > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From Quakeman1 at gmx.net Sat Oct 4 19:32:15 2008 From: Quakeman1 at gmx.net (Fox Mulder) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:32:15 +0200 Subject: [debian] State of annoying memory card corruption bug? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E7A89F.6030401@gmx.net> Which kernel and from when do you use? This bug should be fixed in newer kernels. But i still use the apm suspend/resume script which works for me since i installed debian. Ciao, Rainer joakim at verona.se wrote: > It is rather annoying to fix the memory card whenever it gets corrupted > and wont boot. I know there are workaround scripts, but they dont work > for me, since I most often get corruption after booting after unexpected > power down. > > Is there any progress on this bug? Any working workarounds ? > > From m.camenzind at live.com Sat Oct 4 19:39:13 2008 From: m.camenzind at live.com (Matthias Camenzind) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 17:39:13 +0000 Subject: Tango GPS shows GPS Times form 1999 In-Reply-To: <48E7A820.4000900@gmx.net> References: <48E7A820.4000900@gmx.net> Message-ID: On Om2008.8 i used gspd and it didn't work. It looks more like working (the seconds changes form 0 to 9) sometimes is satellites changing to 1/0. Am I not recieving gsp signlas? How does it look like when there are to less singals? . ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:30:08 +0200 > From: Quakeman1 at gmx.net > To: community at lists.openmoko.org > Subject: Re: Tango GPS shows GPS Times form 1999 > > This seems to be a fso-gpsd bug. I also experienced this problem why i > went back to use gpsd which always show the right time and satellites. > > Ciao, > Rainer > > Matthias Camenzind wrote: >> I've installed Debian on microSD 2GB with Xfce, tangogps and fso-gpsd. >> The "Trip" section is normaly showing a GPS Time from 1999-11-30 00:00:00 somtimes GPS Time changes short to 2006 or 2007. Tangogps on Om2008.8 shows 1970. On both 0/0 Satellites HDOP 0.0. >> Is there something wrong with my GPS device? >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Die neue Generation der Windows Live Services - jetzt downloaden! >> http://get.live.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _________________________________________________________________ Werden Sie Mitglied der neuen Windows Live Messenger Familie! http://get.live.com From m.camenzind at live.com Sat Oct 4 20:10:30 2008 From: m.camenzind at live.com (Matthias Camenzind) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:10:30 +0000 Subject: Volume on a phone call In-Reply-To: <1223140302.32176.35.camel@jason-laptop> References: <1223140302.32176.35.camel@jason-laptop> Message-ID: If you are connect over ssh to your phone you can in alsamixer set Mic 2 to 100 and Speaker to 88 this enables a normal call with near to no echo and much better understanding on the other side. But after disconnecting the settings are restored. May ou can also change during the call to a terminal and make the changes there, but only without the standard keyboard. ---------------------------------------- > From: Jason at jasoncawood.com > To: community at lists.openmoko.org > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:11:42 -0700 > Subject: Volume on a phone call > > on the 2008.9 distro, is there any way to turn up the microphone volume while on a call? When I'm talking to someone they always tell me they can't hear me. > > -Jason _________________________________________________________________ Werden Sie Mitglied der neuen Windows Live Messenger Familie! http://get.live.com From ttb.1001 at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 20:12:37 2008 From: ttb.1001 at gmail.com (t m) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:12:37 +0100 Subject: The Lost Openmoko Community In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think the guys from OM are really working hard to get us a great phone. I'm not always sure if they got the same priorities as we have. For me the most important thing right now is a working pone. Until I've seen some reports of more than 1 person that an image has got phoning, smsing and battery under control I'm not going to use mine. I'd like to file in bug reports, but hey.. these are so obvious I don't care about investing more time in the phone. It's collecting dust right now, and I'm using a phone I know I can count on. So instead of bringing us everything, bring us less, but stable. That said, I still have confidence in the team and I'm sure we will see something amazing in the (hopefully) near future. > > Other community members: > > * How do you feel about the current situation? How happy are you > with the community? > * Do you feel well informed? Do you know what's the direction > we're heading to? > * How would you like to contribute? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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NEXT STEP: As a community member, I feel that Om showing us total respect. Developpers, managers, and other all read and write to the lists. Of course it there is room for improvement, I could name few Om staff who I hope are taking intensive evening English classes (but hey, many community members are not writing like Shackspeare either !). On the whole, it's just that they are understaffed and spread very thin: how many people would a company need to totally rock from hardware design to community management, including production, sales, kernel development, middleware development, applications development, interface, packaging and distribution ? As for blog posts: There is Mickey's blog on the Planet, but indeed it would be nice to read from Sean more often. The Weekly Engineering Report should be added to the planet too. I will try to issue a community update this week end. Minh From mf1910 at vip.cybercity.dk Sat Oct 4 20:47:03 2008 From: mf1910 at vip.cybercity.dk (Michael Frandsen) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:47:03 +0200 Subject: Tango GPS shows GPS Times form 1999 In-Reply-To: References: <48E7A820.4000900@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1223146023.27352.31.camel@mf-MAIN> On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 17:39 +0000, Matthias Camenzind wrote: > On Om2008.8 i used gspd and it didn't work. It looks more like working (the seconds changes form 0 to 9) sometimes is satellites changing to 1/0. > Am I not recieving gsp signlas? How does it look like when there are to less singals? > . > ---------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:30:08 +0200 > > From: Quakeman1 at gmx.net > > To: community at lists.openmoko.org > > Subject: Re: Tango GPS shows GPS Times form 1999 > > > > This seems to be a fso-gpsd bug. I also experienced this problem why i > > went back to use gpsd which always show the right time and satellites. > > > > Ciao, > > Rainer > > > > Matthias Camenzind wrote: > >> I've installed Debian on microSD 2GB with Xfce, tangogps and fso-gpsd. > >> The "Trip" section is normaly showing a GPS Time from 1999-11-30 00:00:00 somtimes GPS Time changes short to 2006 or 2007. Tangogps on Om2008.8 shows 1970. On both 0/0 Satellites HDOP 0.0. > >> Is there something wrong with my GPS device? > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Die neue Generation der Windows Live Services - jetzt downloaden! > >> http://get.live.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Openmoko community mailing list > >> community at lists.openmoko.org > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > _________________________________________________________________ > Werden Sie Mitglied der neuen Windows Live Messenger Familie! > http://get.live.com > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > When there is a strong signal and the position locked then there should be at least 5 valid satellites 5/6 or higher. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When I'm talking to someone they always tell >me they can't hear me. > >-Jason > Yes, there is a way by installing pymixer, please follow the instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Volume_Control The speaker volume is usually all the way at the bottom of the pymixer screen. -- Petr Van?k http://biodynamika.cz From angus.ainslie at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 21:22:15 2008 From: angus.ainslie at gmail.com (Angus Ainslie) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 13:22:15 -0600 Subject: The Lost Openmoko Community In-Reply-To: <20081004164202.87285s40zszulmgw@w10.mail.sapo.pt> References: <48E7847E.7040405@gmail.com> <20081004164202.87285s40zszulmgw@w10.mail.sapo.pt> Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 9:42 AM, wrote: > To all, but especially OM. > I felt a little cheated when I saw the FR I had bought was not ready > to be used as a daily phone. This had in fact been the publicity by OM > at the time - GTA01 was for tinkerers, and GTA02 was for the public. > Then people said "no, it was clear that GTA02 was also for tinkerers > only"... well, whatever; I decided to ignore that, be positive, and So the fact that you ignored it is OM's fault ? OM (the company) should have only sold the GTA02 when the hardware and > kernel and drivers where tested and ready. Why there are plenty of people very happy to have a phone they can ssh into. > Or, if that was not > possible due to time-to-market constraints, then it should have called > for the community's help for doing just that: getting the device to > work. Instead, it went ahead telling us "the Neo is a blank slate, a > canvas to paint on"... and the people who have painted, have lost many > of their paintings, and even the will to paint. At least, they won't > paint with OM brushes. It is too frustrating and time-consuming. If what you paint ends up being useful to the community it'll get kept. > Personally, I need a working device. Kernel, drivers, daemons, system > scripts, all of this must be in place to allow the device's hardware > to be controlled at the flick of a software switch. GPRS+GSM muxing > must be included by default. WIFI must work correctly by default. > Bluetooth must work as well as in any other distro by default. And for > god's sake, AUDIO must work as intended by default (it IS a phone > after all). Only after OM guarantees these minimum requirements can it > ask the community to go ahead and innovate... Don't waste your time > on GUIs or eye-candy apps; give us a device with a rock solid > subsystem and a command shell, and we will fill in the blanks and > build from there. > Wifi is "working" as well as any basic distro install. You need to edit /etc/network/interfaces and or wpa_supplicant.conf but it is working. Bluetooth also has all of the tools to make it work like dbus and hcitool. Again you need to edit a file here of there and do some reading. Alsa is working a designed as well. You can use alsactl or alsamixer to control every single part of the alsa subsystem. Again a little reading and tinkering will get it to do what you want. It sounds like you don't want to do any tinkering or reading. Why did you get a phone where that is a requirement ? Angus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I also experienced this problem why i > > went back to use gpsd which always show the right time and satellites. > > > > Ciao, > > Rainer > > > > Matthias Camenzind wrote: > >> I've installed Debian on microSD 2GB with Xfce, tangogps and fso-gpsd. > >> The "Trip" section is normaly showing a GPS Time from 1999-11-30 00:00:00 somtimes GPS Time changes short to 2006 or 2007. Tangogps on Om2008.8 shows 1970. On both 0/0 Satellites HDOP 0.0. > >> Is there something wrong with my GPS device? > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Die neue Generation der Windows Live Services - jetzt downloaden! > >> http://get.live.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Openmoko community mailing list > >> community at lists.openmoko.org > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > _________________________________________________________________ > Werden Sie Mitglied der neuen Windows Live Messenger Familie! > http://get.live.com > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > When there is a strong signal and the position locked then there should be at least 5 valid satellites 5/6 or higher. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081004/4ebc3660/attachment-0001.htm From xavier.bestel at free.fr Sat Oct 4 21:36:26 2008 From: xavier.bestel at free.fr (Xavier Bestel) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 21:36:26 +0200 Subject: The Lost Openmoko Community In-Reply-To: References: <48E7847E.7040405@gmail.com> <20081004164202.87285s40zszulmgw@w10.mail.sapo.pt> Message-ID: <1223148986.5816.17.camel@bip.parateam.prv> Le samedi 04 octobre 2008 ? 13:22 -0600, Angus Ainslie a ?crit : > Wifi is "working" as well as any basic distro install. You need to > edit /etc/network/interfaces and or wpa_supplicant.conf but it is > working. Nope. No amount of scripting and tinkering will change the fact that the kernel driver is broken. It may work in some specific conditions, but it'll fail in others. That said, I admit people buying a Freerunner thinking it would work out of the box got it wrong. It's still a hacker's toy. Xav From haduong at centre-cired.fr Sat Oct 4 20:46:35 2008 From: haduong at centre-cired.fr (Minh Ha Duong) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 20:46:35 +0200 Subject: The Lost Openmoko Community In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810042046.36037.haduong@centre-cired.fr> Hi Risto, BUGS: I think the TRAC is for everybody, not just high-level hackers. I reported totally cosmetic bugs in the tracker, like "there is a spelling mistake in Assassin's package desctiption" or "xterm is missing an icon" and they got fixed simply and quickly. Nobody complains. It works really smoothly for simple bugs. DISTROS: My understanding is that Om would like nothing more than community developpers take charge of the applications and distributions, so that they can focus on hardware, kernel and framewiork. But it's an egg and chicken think, it can' happen overnight. NEXT STEP: As a community member, I feel that Om showing us total respect. Developpers, managers, and other all read and write to the lists. Of course it there is room for improvement, I could name few Om staff who I hope are taking intensive evening English classes (but hey, many community members are not writing like Shackspeare either !). On the whole, it's just that they are understaffed and spread very thin: how many people would a company need to totally rock from hardware design to community management, including production, sales, kernel development, middleware development, applications development, interface, packaging and distribution ? As for blog posts: There is Mickey's blog on the Planet, but indeed it would be nice to read from Sean more often. The Weekly Engineering Report should be added to the planet too. I will try to issue a community update this week end. Minh From vanous at penguin.cz Sat Oct 4 20:46:32 2008 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 20:46:32 +0200 Subject: Volume on a phone call References: <1223140302.32176.35.camel@jason-laptop> Message-ID: <20081004204632.3d7c8c87@laptop-vanek> On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 10:11:42 -0700 Jason Cawood (JC) wrote: >on the 2008.9 distro, is there any way to turn up the microphone >volume while on a call? When I'm talking to someone they always tell >me they can't hear me. > >-Jason > Yes, there is a way by installing pymixer, please follow the instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Volume_Control The speaker volume is usually all the way at the bottom of the pymixer screen. -- Petr Van?k http://biodynamika.cz From dsamblasomcommunity at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 22:31:37 2008 From: dsamblasomcommunity at gmail.com (David Samblas) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 22:31:37 +0200 Subject: The Lost Openmoko Community In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1223152297.6325.59.camel@peregrintux> When some body feels lost is because he doen't planned the trip enough, before come in strange territory you must have maps and read about uses and customs of the aboriginal and if the case earn enough of their language to , when if all plans fail, ask where you are and how to go any where. I'm a foreigner too, but when I feel lost I don't sit down and cry, I search for a more actualiced guide or ask , aboriginals here are very friendly, and even a lot of experienced foreigner are happy to help you too. As you post in you blog you just arrive , you take a quick look to a totally strange territory an you complain you feel lost and not confortable in any place here, if like you there are other, instead of keep this flamming post growing and growing ,get you hands dirty and began to work, you haven't to be a high kernel hacker to help, you can translate and/or review wiki, you can focus on a app and report even stetical issues (as some one in the post has already suggest..), About FDOM you have a bad perspective, FDOM is posible because a lot of people had been working to make OM2008.08, Illume, and a every app inside FDOM, is posible because people has make public their tweakings in the wiki or in this list, and even talk to me or in the devel list to make suggestions and/or directly work. FDOM has began as a shared simply backup of my own phone, and now is near to be the first distro that will have their rootfs (bad) managed in a svn repository, yeah we put the binaries and yes we know svn was thinked to manage source code, but source code is not the business of FDOM right now, we are only focused on pimping whatever OM has decide to be their base distro, if they finally change to an FSO based distro I will be happy to pimping it too, even If I have to redo all work from zeto. I have done it a lot of times to test and to try to improve things. FDOM has not born for a need, FDOM has been born thanks to all the work done before, including the phone where it runs. This is a public request to all those you like FDOM, If you like FDOM then you like OM2008.X, FDOM=OM+things already done by others , please stop comparation and using FDOM as weapon against itself. I will already ask to please, stop this post right now in the tone it has began. And maybe I wrong and now i will post a personal opinion, You have your own blog to post you opinions, you have appeared in planet, as you already said people has post their opinions in your blog post,you have said nothing new in this post than have not already said in you blog, there was a need to do it? Thanks to all to make me, and colaboratos, able to make FDOM El s?b, 04-10-2008 a las 15:56 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa escribi?: > Hi! > > After my previous blog post [1] about Openmoko 2007.2 distribution and > the Openmoko community I got some comments proving that like me, some > other people feel that the community is lost and uninformed. This post > is a follow up to the previous post and the comments I got. > > I've understood that 2007.2 still ships with the phones. As soon as > one gets his new c00l Freerunner linux phone they need to flash the > phone with a new distro (2008.x or Debian, FDOM, SHR, Gentoo, Qtopia, > FSO.. [6]) since the software it ships with is obsolete. OK, so you > get your 2008.x there and find that it doesn't really do all the magic > and would like to report a bug. > > BUGS > I don't know how others feel but I really don't feel like reporting > bugs in the bug tracker [3]. OK, I'm running an unsupported distro > (2007.2) so there's one reason but I also feel that it's okay to post > kernel bugs only there, not anything that a normal user would see in > his GUI. Is this correct or just a feeling or misunderstanding? > Remember that all Freerunner owners and people here in the community > are not kernel developers. I don't even know how to save back traces > or hack the source code but I'm happy to report if something doesn't > work and then when someone more skillful finds what's wrong and > eventually fixes it, I'm again happy to try if the fix works for me. > For some reason I feel that there's no space in the community for > users like me. > > DISTROS > So it's 2008.x now. No, wait.. there are FDOM [5] and SHR [2] around > that are not far from 2008.x. Is 2007.2 still developed and lead by > Openmoko or by the community? Do the community developers have access > to the files so that new releases can be made or is SHR the closest to > 2007.2 you can get to? My feeling is that there was a lack of > information about why 2007.2 was forgotten and new 2008.x series was > started and that something weird is happening in the official distros > that creates a need for FDOM and SHR - why don't the developers feel > ok to contribute directly to 2007.x and 2008.x but 'fork' their own > distros? > > INFORMATION > I think that what makes me feel lost is the lack of information about > what's happening in the community. I don't know what's the development > status of the software or what's the general direction the community > and/or Openmoko is heading to? Having a better view on the general > situation makes one feel much more comfortable and secure: now I feel > that I just wait to see what the next release's like not being able to > know what to wait for. > > NEXT STEPS > People working at Openmoko and other software developers: > > * Please check 'Community Management as Open Source's Core > Competency' by David Eaves [4] and have a good look at the the > Openmoko community. It needs management! > * Please write a blog post once a week or so to > planet.openmoko.org and the community mailing list telling the > community what's going on. Five to ten lines is enough to help the > community feel better! > * Please respect your community! > > Other community members: > > * How do you feel about the current situation? How happy are you > with the community? > * Do you feel well informed? Do you know what's the direction > we're heading to? > * How would you like to contribute? > > > Thanks! > > ps. I posted this also in my blog: > http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/the-lost-openmoko-community/ > > > r > > [1] http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/openmoko-20072-distros-and-community/ > [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release > [3] https://docs.openmoko.org/trac > [4] http://eaves.ca/2006/12/17/community-management-as-open-sources-core-competency/ > [5] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM_-_a_Fat_and_Dirty_OM_based_distribution > [6] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions > > > From kosa at piradio.org Sat Oct 4 23:08:47 2008 From: kosa at piradio.org (Kosa) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:08:47 -0500 Subject: The Lost Openmoko Community In-Reply-To: <1223152297.6325.59.camel@peregrintux> References: <1223152297.6325.59.camel@peregrintux> Message-ID: <48E7DB5F.7030501@piradio.org> Bravo! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - David Samblas escribi?: > When some body feels lost is because he doen't planned the trip enough, > before come in strange territory you must have maps and read about uses > and customs of the aboriginal and if the case earn enough of their > language to , when if all plans fail, ask where you are and how to go > any where. > > I'm a foreigner too, but when I feel lost I don't sit down and cry, I > search for a more actualiced guide or ask , aboriginals here are very > friendly, and even a lot of experienced foreigner are happy to help you > too. > > As you post in you blog you just arrive , you take a quick look to a > totally strange territory an you complain you feel lost and not > confortable in any place here, if like you there are other, instead of > keep this flamming post growing and growing ,get you hands dirty and > began to work, you haven't to be a high kernel hacker to help, you can > translate and/or review wiki, you can focus on a app and report even > stetical issues (as some one in the post has already suggest..), > > About FDOM you have a bad perspective, FDOM is posible because a lot of > people had been working to make OM2008.08, Illume, and a every app > inside FDOM, is posible because people has make public their tweakings > in the wiki or in this list, and even talk to me or in the devel list to > make suggestions and/or directly work. FDOM has began as a shared simply > backup of my own phone, and now is near to be the first distro that > will have their rootfs (bad) managed in a svn repository, yeah we put > the binaries and yes we know svn was thinked to manage source code, > but source code is not the business of FDOM right now, we are only > focused on pimping whatever OM has decide to be their base distro, if > they finally change to an FSO based distro I will be happy to pimping it > too, even If I have to redo all work from zeto. I have done it a lot of > times to test and to try to improve things. FDOM has not born for a > need, FDOM has been born thanks to all the work done before, including > the phone where it runs. > This is a public request to all those you like FDOM, If you like FDOM > then you like OM2008.X, FDOM=OM+things already done by others , > please stop comparation and using FDOM as weapon against itself. > > I will already ask to please, stop this post right now in the tone it > has began. > > And maybe I wrong and now i will post a personal opinion, You have your > own blog to post you opinions, you have appeared in planet, as you > already said people has post their opinions in your blog post,you have > said nothing new in this post than have not already said in you blog, > there was a need to do it? > > Thanks to all to make me, and colaboratos, able to make FDOM > > El s?b, 04-10-2008 a las 15:56 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa escribi?: >> Hi! >> >> After my previous blog post [1] about Openmoko 2007.2 distribution and >> the Openmoko community I got some comments proving that like me, some >> other people feel that the community is lost and uninformed. This post >> is a follow up to the previous post and the comments I got. >> >> I've understood that 2007.2 still ships with the phones. As soon as >> one gets his new c00l Freerunner linux phone they need to flash the >> phone with a new distro (2008.x or Debian, FDOM, SHR, Gentoo, Qtopia, >> FSO.. [6]) since the software it ships with is obsolete. OK, so you >> get your 2008.x there and find that it doesn't really do all the magic >> and would like to report a bug. >> >> BUGS >> I don't know how others feel but I really don't feel like reporting >> bugs in the bug tracker [3]. OK, I'm running an unsupported distro >> (2007.2) so there's one reason but I also feel that it's okay to post >> kernel bugs only there, not anything that a normal user would see in >> his GUI. Is this correct or just a feeling or misunderstanding? >> Remember that all Freerunner owners and people here in the community >> are not kernel developers. I don't even know how to save back traces >> or hack the source code but I'm happy to report if something doesn't >> work and then when someone more skillful finds what's wrong and >> eventually fixes it, I'm again happy to try if the fix works for me. >> For some reason I feel that there's no space in the community for >> users like me. >> >> DISTROS >> So it's 2008.x now. No, wait.. there are FDOM [5] and SHR [2] around >> that are not far from 2008.x. Is 2007.2 still developed and lead by >> Openmoko or by the community? Do the community developers have access >> to the files so that new releases can be made or is SHR the closest to >> 2007.2 you can get to? My feeling is that there was a lack of >> information about why 2007.2 was forgotten and new 2008.x series was >> started and that something weird is happening in the official distros >> that creates a need for FDOM and SHR - why don't the developers feel >> ok to contribute directly to 2007.x and 2008.x but 'fork' their own >> distros? >> >> INFORMATION >> I think that what makes me feel lost is the lack of information about >> what's happening in the community. I don't know what's the development >> status of the software or what's the general direction the community >> and/or Openmoko is heading to? Having a better view on the general >> situation makes one feel much more comfortable and secure: now I feel >> that I just wait to see what the next release's like not being able to >> know what to wait for. >> >> NEXT STEPS >> People working at Openmoko and other software developers: >> >> * Please check 'Community Management as Open Source's Core >> Competency' by David Eaves [4] and have a good look at the the >> Openmoko community. It needs management! >> * Please write a blog post once a week or so to >> planet.openmoko.org and the community mailing list telling the >> community what's going on. Five to ten lines is enough to help the >> community feel better! >> * Please respect your community! >> >> Other community members: >> >> * How do you feel about the current situation? How happy are you >> with the community? >> * Do you feel well informed? Do you know what's the direction >> we're heading to? >> * How would you like to contribute? >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> ps. I posted this also in my blog: >> http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/the-lost-openmoko-community/ >> >> >> r >> >> [1] http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/openmoko-20072-distros-and-community/ >> [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release >> [3] https://docs.openmoko.org/trac >> [4] http://eaves.ca/2006/12/17/community-management-as-open-sources-core-competency/ >> [5] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM_-_a_Fat_and_Dirty_OM_based_distribution >> [6] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From charles.pax at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 00:06:18 2008 From: charles.pax at gmail.com (Charles Pax) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:06:18 -0400 Subject: How do I turn on wifi in QTextended? Message-ID: <3119e46e0810041506u5cb5cc25j6fbeb7312edaff39@mail.gmail.com> I'm using the new version of QTextended (was Qtopia) and I can't seem to find any way to turn on my wireless. I see where I can turn on/off the Bluetooth, but nothing for the wifi chip. Any advice? -Charles Pax -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081004/e24b6078/attachment.htm From lpotter at trolltech.com Sun Oct 5 00:15:09 2008 From: lpotter at trolltech.com (Lorn Potter) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 08:15:09 +1000 Subject: How do I turn on wifi in QTextended? In-Reply-To: <3119e46e0810041506u5cb5cc25j6fbeb7312edaff39@mail.gmail.com> References: <3119e46e0810041506u5cb5cc25j6fbeb7312edaff39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E7EAED.2020809@trolltech.com> Charles Pax wrote: > I'm using the new version of QTextended (was Qtopia) and I can't seem to > find any way to turn on my wireless. I see where I can turn on/off the > Bluetooth, but nothing for the wifi chip. Any advice? Settings->Internet->Options (menu)->New->Wireless -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd From rod at whitby.id.au Sun Oct 5 00:24:45 2008 From: rod at whitby.id.au (Rod Whitby) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 08:54:45 +1030 Subject: [FSO] FSO repositories In-Reply-To: <1ce31ad3.ee7fe0.48e77dea.74c@o2.pl> References: <27308d500810040514k47488910n37fad469f72f5527@mail.gmail.com> <1ce31ad3.ee7fe0.48e77dea.74c@o2.pl> Message-ID: <48E7ED2D.20003@whitby.id.au> rhn wrote: > The testing repo seems to be down at the moment. Does anyone know why? OpenEmbedded had a TMPDIR ABI increment, which meant that everything needs to be rebuilt. I've temporarily put the old build results back so people can continue using those while the rebuild is happening. -- Rod From rod at whitby.id.au Sun Oct 5 00:27:55 2008 From: rod at whitby.id.au (Rod Whitby) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 08:57:55 +1030 Subject: Building FSO Wiki page In-Reply-To: References: <48C1538D.7060105@gmail.com> <48C158DD.4030707@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <48E7EDEB.3020802@whitby.id.au> Previdi Roberto wrote: > anyway, using the automatic procedure (the makefile) i have some problems: > 1) the build stops at the ttf-liberation-0.2-r2 package, install phase, > and the install log is empty This was fixed a couple of days ago. Did you run "make update" and try again? > 2) if i issue a make update openembedded complains that it don't know > where to update from... The trial OE Git repository layout was changed a couple of days ago, and the Makefile was updated to match this. Did you run "make update-makefile" and try again? > 3) which other branches are present? how do i list them? i mean: i have > managed to build the fso-testing-image branch, modifying the bb files > that depended on the ttf-liberation package. by doing this i must remove > the terminal bb recipe, and so it's difficult to use it actually. so i > tried to build fso-stable-image, but it stops the compilation on the > same package (ttf-liberation, same version) and with the identical > sympthoms (empty log file). is there actually any difference between > fso-testing and fso-stable? This problem will go away once you do the two things above. > 4) last but not least, the fso image i have created (fso-testing, > removing the ttf-liberation package) is not able to connect to the gsm > network, and write "No service" over the band meter icon. Is this expected? It's not a systematic problem, since many people are able to connect using that image. -- Rod From charles.pax at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 00:36:53 2008 From: charles.pax at gmail.com (Charles Pax) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:36:53 -0400 Subject: How do I turn on wifi in QTextended? In-Reply-To: <48E7EAED.2020809@trolltech.com> References: <3119e46e0810041506u5cb5cc25j6fbeb7312edaff39@mail.gmail.com> <48E7EAED.2020809@trolltech.com> Message-ID: <3119e46e0810041536l15380f67wa7047d8e9ffdd40e@mail.gmail.com> I tried that already, but I went back and tried it again. After erasing everything I had done before and starting from scratch, it worked. Thanks. -Charles On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Lorn Potter wrote: > Charles Pax wrote: > > I'm using the new version of QTextended (was Qtopia) and I can't seem to > > find any way to turn on my wireless. I see where I can turn on/off the > > Bluetooth, but nothing for the wifi chip. Any advice? > > Settings->Internet->Options (menu)->New->Wireless > > > -- > Lorn 'ljp' Potter > Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081004/90769555/attachment.htm From jonathan at imatix.com Sun Oct 5 00:36:42 2008 From: jonathan at imatix.com (Jonathan Schultz) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 10:36:42 +1200 Subject: QT extended segfaults In-Reply-To: <48E557D7.6030206@imatix.com> References: <48E557D7.6030206@imatix.com> Message-ID: <48E7EFFA.2060300@imatix.com> After successfully installing Qt extended on my SD (no idea why it didn't work the first time) it worked well enough for a while. I installed the zoneinfo files,though that seems unlikely to be connected with the problem. Then at some point it stopped suspending, so I tried rebooting. Since then qpe segfaults on booting. I can still connect to the FR with ssh and see the following message repeated every few seconds in dmesg: > neo1973-pm-bt neo1973-pm-bt.0: GTA02 Set PCF50633 LDO4 = 3200 > usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using s3c2410-ohci and address 38 > usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice > usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 38 Any ideas? Jonathan From steve at openmoko.com Sun Oct 5 01:44:11 2008 From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:44:11 -0700 Subject: A Call for community action In-Reply-To: References: <200809260933.20747.kitts.mailinglists@gmail.com> <48DE6FAC.3010604@openmoko.com> Message-ID: <48E7FFCB.6000505@openmoko.com> Nope. nobody signed up. Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Steve Mosher wrote: >> The other day I was pondering all the things the community does for us. >> They give us new ideas, test our product and give us honest feedback, >> keep us true to our commitment for openness ( the idea to release the >> CAD files came from the community, help us market the product, and they >> fix bugs. >> >> Recently I was reviewing the goals for 2008.10, and I wondered what else >> is on the list of things that need fixing. SO I asked the testing team >> to give me a list of bugs that didnt make the 2008.10 list. >> >> My idea. throw these out to community and see if folks would pick a bug >> and try to fix it, actually sign up to try to fix it, so we get a >> coordinated effort. Sean liked the idea and I thought it was worth a try. >> >> Here is the list of Bugs, look through the list and if your moved to >> action just respond with a mail to the list: > > Any of these fixed already? > > > r > > > From cba at knodal.com Sun Oct 5 01:51:05 2008 From: cba at knodal.com (Craig B. Allen) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:51:05 -0400 Subject: [QTextended] how to select music directory in Media Player? Message-ID: I have been trying to setup to play files stored on my SD card but cannot find any way to select or enter a directory. - Craig From lpotter at trolltech.com Sun Oct 5 03:08:32 2008 From: lpotter at trolltech.com (Lorn Potter) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 11:08:32 +1000 Subject: [QTextended] how to select music directory in Media Player? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E81390.1040705@trolltech.com> Craig B. Allen wrote: > I have been trying to setup to play files stored on my SD card but > cannot find any way to select or enter a directory. Put your files in a Documents directory on the sd card and qt extended will find them -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd From previdi.roberto at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 04:10:12 2008 From: previdi.roberto at gmail.com (Previdi Roberto) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 04:10:12 +0200 Subject: Building FSO Wiki page In-Reply-To: <48E7EDEB.3020802@whitby.id.au> References: <48C1538D.7060105@gmail.com> <48C158DD.4030707@internode.on.net> <48E7EDEB.3020802@whitby.id.au> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Rod Whitby wrote: > > 2) if i issue a make update openembedded complains that it don't know > > where to update from... > the Makefile was updated to match this. Did you run "make > update-makefile" and try again? > i tried but the makefile just doesn't have the update-makefile target.. No problems anyway, i just went back to square one and wgetted a new makefile and it seems to work. now i can even issue a make update, and i just seen the ttf-liberation package compiled, yeah! > > 4) last but not least, the fso image i have created (fso-testing, > > removing the ttf-liberation package) is not able to connect to the gsm > > network, and write "No service" over the band meter icon. Is this > expected? > It's not a systematic problem, since many people are able to connect > using that image. happy to hear this.. maybe i just made some confusion with the kernel boot arguments, since i want to start it from the sd card and seems like uboot don't like it very much. it's a 2 gb "ultra", but when i make mmcinit uboot says it is a 512 mb card.. i am able to boot fso one time out of 10 or so, and i suspect that uboot fallback to load the main kernel on the internal memory passing it the rootfs argument of the sd, the kernel actually can read the card without problem and fso magically boots :) (i'm not sure of this, it's just a suspicion.. i must indagate better. is there a way, maybe in the proc directory, to know where the kernel were loaded from? or maybe the complete kernel image to diff against and find out?) maybe the different kernel loaded make gsmd unable to actually use the gsm hardware.. well, thanks for your reply, my pc will compile all night now.. let's hope to find a good fso image tomorrow morning, and let's prepare to fight another uboot war! roby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081005/11b1a726/attachment.htm From stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk Sun Oct 5 07:27:43 2008 From: stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk (Stroller) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 06:27:43 +0100 Subject: The Lost Openmoko Community In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Risto, I think you depend upon Openmoko Inc. to "provide" the community. Or perhaps direction for the community. I don't know if that's possible. Community is, by definition, a bunch of different people, with different ideas and different requirements. Sure there may be some consensus, but there will also be plenty of people pulling in different directions, too. Additionally, I think most of us, as Linux geeks, disagree with Openmoko Inc. on what software for our phones should look like. Openmoko want to sell their next generation of phones to little old ladies and teenagers, and are prepared to sacrifice complexity to do that. And they won't be asking the community how we want our phones - they will be following their own "vision" to achieve this. I won't by any means be relying on official distros to do what I want. But what Openmoko HAS given us is wonderful, wonderful phone hardware which runs fully open-source software. I have realised that any criticism I might make of Openmoko must pale in comparison beside this - they're the ONLY people who have yet done so. (Perhaps we might mention the no-longer available Trolltech Greenphone, but that was only a run of 1000 units or so). I appreciate that if you're not already a Linux / OSS fanboi, then the above statement might not mean much. What good is "fully open-source software", if it doesn't work, you say? Well, the benefit is that WE can make it work, and we don't have to reply upon Openmoko to help us. Considering that the Freerunner is only - what? - 3 months old, the community has made leaps & bounds already. As others have pointed out, you can make a bug report over a spelling mistake, and I point to David Samblas' distro as an example of what the community has produced already. I think that your problems stem from looking at "the Openmoko community" from the outside in. Only 3 months ago the first 5,000 or 10,000 units of the Freerunner suddenly hit the market - of course the "direction" of development is going to be a mess. It's going to be impossible to look at just a wiki or two and try and get a handle of everything that's going on. And one shouldn't expect the impossible from Openmoko - to expect a unified direction of development you are asking someone to herd cats. Personally I don't want a single "true" distro, because we might end up with Gnome for phones. I prefer KDE and others here prefer Ice or whatever. Rereading some of your questions, I did feel the same way myself a couple of months ago. "why don't the developers feel ok to contribute directly to 2007.x and 2008.x but 'fork' their own distros?" I have to say that I asked this myself, and I came to realise that that wouldn't suit the "Openmoko vision" for their own software. Just as you can't submit patches to Gnome to add right-click options if it doesn't meet with their "usability specification" or ask KDE to remove options because "they confuse my grandmother", some aspects of the Openmoko vision are indeed closed. But this free software lark gives us the CHOICE! I feel that software images from Raster & David Samblas, the work being undertaken on SHR and the recent Qtopia release are all testaments to the community surrounding Openmoko's device(s), and if you appreciated how rapidly the situation with the software distos has improved in only a few weeks, you would realise that there are great things ahead for this platform. Yes, presently it may be frustrating for you, but even the person who makes a blog post about configuring their wifi under disto X, or changing the theme so that Navit displays better... those people are making a difference and improving the Freerunner environment for everyone. Stroller. From gromez at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 09:19:09 2008 From: gromez at gmail.com (gromez) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:19:09 +0200 Subject: [QTextended] how to select music directory in Media Player? In-Reply-To: <48E81390.1040705@trolltech.com> References: <48E81390.1040705@trolltech.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Lorn Potter wrote: > Craig B. Allen wrote: >> I have been trying to setup to play files stored on my SD card but >> cannot find any way to select or enter a directory. > > Put your files in a Documents directory on the sd card and qt extended > will find them Is that normal Qtextended should be restarted after we add some files in Documents directory (pictures, music, ...) ? From sylar1991 at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 09:22:41 2008 From: sylar1991 at gmail.com (Thomas Bertani) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:22:41 +0200 Subject: [QTextended] how to select music directory in Media Player? In-Reply-To: References: <48E81390.1040705@trolltech.com> Message-ID: <164c96680810050022p78f1102bm4bb1fd2e0db067a@mail.gmail.com> and where you have to put image files to be recognised as cover by the media player? 2008/10/5 gromez > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Lorn Potter wrote: > > Craig B. Allen wrote: > >> I have been trying to setup to play files stored on my SD card but > >> cannot find any way to select or enter a directory. > > > > Put your files in a Documents directory on the sd card and qt extended > > will find them > > Is that normal Qtextended should be restarted after we add some files > in Documents directory (pictures, music, ...) ? > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081005/dbc815a7/attachment.htm From vanous at penguin.cz Sun Oct 5 09:45:06 2008 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:45:06 +0200 Subject: [QTextended] how to select music directory in Media Player? References: <48E81390.1040705@trolltech.com> Message-ID: <20081005094506.6438eac9@laptop-vanek> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:19:09 +0200 gromez (G) wrote: >On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Lorn Potter > wrote: >> Craig B. Allen wrote: >>> I have been trying to setup to play files stored on my SD card but >>> cannot find any way to select or enter a directory. >> >> Put your files in a Documents directory on the sd card and qt >> extended will find them > >Is that normal Qtextended should be restarted after we add some files >in Documents directory (pictures, music, ...) ? No, there is a "Rescan" option in the menu while in the "Documents" -- Petr Van?k http://biodynamika.cz From gromez at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 09:47:27 2008 From: gromez at gmail.com (gromez) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:47:27 +0200 Subject: [QTextended] how to select music directory in Media Player? In-Reply-To: <164c96680810050022p78f1102bm4bb1fd2e0db067a@mail.gmail.com> References: <48E81390.1040705@trolltech.com> <164c96680810050022p78f1102bm4bb1fd2e0db067a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Thomas Bertani wrote: > and where you have to put image files to be recognised as cover by the media > player? Every documents are sorted by mimetype, so, for a JPEG image, you should put it in Documents/image/jpeg/ To identify mimetype, you can grep extension of you file in /etc/mime.types on your desktop ie: gromez at alf ~ $ grep jpg /etc/mime.types image/jpeg jpeg jpg jpe From sylar1991 at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 09:51:52 2008 From: sylar1991 at gmail.com (Thomas Bertani) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:51:52 +0200 Subject: [QTextended] how to select music directory in Media Player? In-Reply-To: References: <48E81390.1040705@trolltech.com> <164c96680810050022p78f1102bm4bb1fd2e0db067a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <164c96680810050051q5937a693g76e02d2ecf680470@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/5 gromez > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Thomas Bertani > wrote: > > and where you have to put image files to be recognised as cover by the > media > > player? > > Every documents are sorted by mimetype, so, for a JPEG image, you > should put it in Documents/image/jpeg/ > > To identify mimetype, you can grep extension of you file in > /etc/mime.types on your desktop yes but how can I use it as cover for the media player? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081005/404bf5f7/attachment.htm From lpotter at trolltech.com Sun Oct 5 10:47:56 2008 From: lpotter at trolltech.com (lpotter) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:47:56 +1000 Subject: [QTextended] how to select music directory in Media Player? References: <48E81390.1040705@trolltech.com> <164c96680810050022p78f1102bm4bb1fd2e0db067a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: gromez writes: > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Thomas Bertani wrote: >> and where you have to put image files to be recognised as cover by the media >> player? > > Every documents are sorted by mimetype, so, for a JPEG image, you > should put it in Documents/image/jpeg/ You can do it this way, but it is not required. Anything within the ~/Documents or /media/card/Documents directories will be scanned, and added automatically. > > To identify mimetype, you can grep extension of you file in > /etc/mime.types on your desktop > ie: > gromez at alf ~ $ grep jpg /etc/mime.types > image/jpeg jpeg jpg jpe > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From billk at iinet.net.au Sun Oct 5 10:50:17 2008 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:50:17 +0800 Subject: qtextended Message-ID: <1223196617.8112.138.camel@rattus.localdomain> Becuase 2008.9 doesnt work for me (I need reliable sms), I thought I'd give qt-extended a go. I flashed the jffs2 file, but nothing much seems to happen. I dont get a sim dialog, I dont get any working icons on the desktop (taping them with a stylus does nothing), I dont get a usb network connection (presuming it works the same way as 2008.9) The only thing that works is pressing the power button to bring up the shutdown menu :( Is this whats supposed to happen - a preview of the desktop graphic? BillK -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! From paul at nlpagan.net Sun Oct 5 10:53:39 2008 From: paul at nlpagan.net (Paul) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 10:53:39 +0200 Subject: Setting up Qtextended: no block2mtd module Message-ID: <48E88093.90009@nlpagan.net> Hi all, I am running a Mandriva 2008 box, kernel is 2.6.22.19-desktop-2mdv. I am trying to set up qtextended on the uSD-card, and my attempts fail when trying to mount the jffs image on a loopback device. Been ollowing the wiki, and the problem is: [root at nwyfre FR]# modprobe block2mtd block2mtd=$loop,131072 FATAL: Module block2mtd not found. I also tried the alternate route, with mtdcore, but that too is not available. Hmpf. Can anyone give me a pointer on how to fix this? Thanks, Paul -- The art of progress is to preserve order amid change, and to preserve change amid order. -Alfred North Whitehead http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 From liedekef at telenet.be Sun Oct 5 10:55:20 2008 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:55:20 +0200 Subject: [QTextended] how to select music directory in Media Player? In-Reply-To: References: <48E81390.1040705@trolltech.com> <164c96680810050022p78f1102bm4bb1fd2e0db067a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081005105520.113f44d2@telenet.be> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:47:56 +1000 lpotter wrote: > gromez writes: > > > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Thomas Bertani > > wrote: > >> and where you have to put image files to be recognised as cover by > >> the media player? > > > > Every documents are sorted by mimetype, so, for a JPEG image, you > > should put it in Documents/image/jpeg/ > > You can do it this way, but it is not required. Anything within the > ~/Documents or /media/card/Documents directories will be scanned, and > added automatically. > Hi Lorn, is there anything we can do to help debug the echo problem? Or the alarm clock thingie after suspend (or maybe that's still an outstanding issue)? For the alarm: if I don't suspend, it will probably work fine, but then I'm afraid about battery time (and since we don't see the current battery status due to the latest kernel ...) Franky From sylar1991 at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 10:56:35 2008 From: sylar1991 at gmail.com (Thomas Bertani) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:56:35 +0200 Subject: [QTextended] how to select music directory in Media Player? In-Reply-To: References: <48E81390.1040705@trolltech.com> <164c96680810050022p78f1102bm4bb1fd2e0db067a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <164c96680810050156s72302a23tc2675ee34302bd37@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/5 lpotter > gromez writes: > > > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Thomas Bertani > wrote: > >> and where you have to put image files to be recognised as cover by the > media > >> player? > > > > Every documents are sorted by mimetype, so, for a JPEG image, you > > should put it in Documents/image/jpeg/ > > You can do it this way, but it is not required. Anything within the > ~/Documents or /media/card/Documents directories will be scanned, and added > automatically. > yes but how can I associate an image to a song (to display the image when the song is playing (a cover))? I have to name the image as the song in jpeg format? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081005/d0ddfeec/attachment.htm From liedekef at telenet.be Sun Oct 5 10:56:58 2008 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:56:58 +0200 Subject: qtextended In-Reply-To: <1223196617.8112.138.camel@rattus.localdomain> References: <1223196617.8112.138.camel@rattus.localdomain> Message-ID: <20081005105658.46d67d4f@telenet.be> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:50:17 +0800 William Kenworthy wrote: > Becuase 2008.9 doesnt work for me (I need reliable sms), I thought I'd > give qt-extended a go. I flashed the jffs2 file, but nothing much > seems to happen. > > I dont get a sim dialog, I dont get any working icons on the desktop > (taping them with a stylus does nothing), I dont get a usb network > connection (presuming it works the same way as 2008.9) > > The only thing that works is pressing the power button to bring up the > shutdown menu :( > > Is this whats supposed to happen - a preview of the desktop graphic? > > BillK you need to flash the uimage kernel as well: http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 Franky From david at electric-spoon.com Sun Oct 5 11:18:56 2008 From: david at electric-spoon.com (David Pottage) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:18:56 +0100 Subject: GSM Firmware crash In-Reply-To: <48CD2954.9060204@gmx.net> References: <48CD2954.9060204@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200810051018.56723.david@electric-spoon.com> On Sunday 14 September 2008 16:10:12 Andreas Fischer wrote: > Hi all, > > Yesterday I experienced a crash of the GSM firmware - my Freerunner > started to vibrate and there was a message on-screen that stated that > the GSM Firmware had crashed and that I would be unable to use phone > functionality. I have just had the same crash. I am using FDOM 20080927 firmware, and I had just made a call that was not answered. From linkert at fastmail.fm Sun Oct 5 11:32:38 2008 From: linkert at fastmail.fm (Nicolas Linkert) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 11:32:38 +0200 Subject: Suspend on QT Extended etc. Message-ID: <1223199158.26741.1277584607@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi, I am - again - new to this list after my initial contact with the Neo 1973 some time ago. Now I am starting anew with the Freerunner :-) I have QT Extended running on the FR and I have some questions: - Suspend works but it does not wake up on incoming calls. This is a rather old bug. Is there any workaround? - what rootfs is there to use with it? Can I take any rootfs from any distribution? Or should I stay with 2007.2? Maybe 2008.9? - Scrolling with QT Extended is a bit odd. I seem to be starting applicans while scrolling ... Any workaround for this? In case someione can enlighten me, I'd appreciate. Thanks in advance & best regards, Nick From billk at iinet.net.au Sun Oct 5 11:34:23 2008 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 17:34:23 +0800 Subject: qtextended In-Reply-To: <20081005105658.46d67d4f@telenet.be> References: <1223196617.8112.138.camel@rattus.localdomain> <20081005105658.46d67d4f@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1223199263.8112.141.camel@rattus.localdomain> I used the mwester kernel linked from that page - but what about modules - you have to boot the device to install them, and it comes up with nothing working? I am just flashing 2008.9 from the 16th to see if that helps. BillK On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 10:56 +0200, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:50:17 +0800 > William Kenworthy wrote: > > > Becuase 2008.9 doesnt work for me (I need reliable sms), I thought I'd > > give qt-extended a go. I flashed the jffs2 file, but nothing much > > seems to happen. > > > > I dont get a sim dialog, I dont get any working icons on the desktop > > (taping them with a stylus does nothing), I dont get a usb network > > connection (presuming it works the same way as 2008.9) > > > > The only thing that works is pressing the power button to bring up the > > shutdown menu :( > > > > Is this whats supposed to happen - a preview of the desktop graphic? > > > > BillK > > you need to flash the uimage kernel as well: > http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 > > Franky > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! From rt at aspirinka.net Sun Oct 5 15:35:08 2008 From: rt at aspirinka.net (Sergey Alembekov) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 17:35:08 +0400 Subject: rescue my freerunner In-Reply-To: <13936.192.100.130.7.1223022357.squirrel@www.chrestomanci.org> References: <20081003052147.GA4883@banzay-book.home> <48E5B074.4020407@gmail.com> <20081003082044.GA20002@banzay-book.rmt.ru> <13936.192.100.130.7.1223022357.squirrel@www.chrestomanci.org> Message-ID: <20081005133503.GA921@banzay-book.aspirinka.net> On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 09:25:57AM +0100, David Pottage wrote: > How about preparing a MicoSD card with fresh copy of your preferred distro > on it. (ASU/Debian/etc), boot from that and then mount the rootfs and > either fix the offending files or take a copy of your data. That's it! Thank you! -- Regards, Sergey Alembekov ALTLinux Team xmpp: rt at jabber.ru From billk at iinet.net.au Sun Oct 5 11:38:37 2008 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 17:38:37 +0800 Subject: qtextended In-Reply-To: <1223199263.8112.141.camel@rattus.localdomain> References: <1223196617.8112.138.camel@rattus.localdomain> <20081005105658.46d67d4f@telenet.be> <1223199263.8112.141.camel@rattus.localdomain> Message-ID: <1223199517.8112.145.camel@rattus.localdomain> Nope same deal - so what kernel goes with qtextended 4.4.1? BillK On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 17:34 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: > I used the mwester kernel linked from that page - but what about modules > - you have to boot the device to install them, and it comes up with > nothing working? > > I am just flashing 2008.9 from the 16th to see if that helps. > > BillK > > > On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 10:56 +0200, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > > On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:50:17 +0800 > > William Kenworthy wrote: > > > > > Becuase 2008.9 doesnt work for me (I need reliable sms), I thought I'd > > > give qt-extended a go. I flashed the jffs2 file, but nothing much > > > seems to happen. > > > > > > I dont get a sim dialog, I dont get any working icons on the desktop > > > (taping them with a stylus does nothing), I dont get a usb network > > > connection (presuming it works the same way as 2008.9) > > > > > > The only thing that works is pressing the power button to bring up the > > > shutdown menu :( > > > > > > Is this whats supposed to happen - a preview of the desktop graphic? > > > > > > BillK > > > > you need to flash the uimage kernel as well: > > http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 > > > > Franky > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! From liedekef at telenet.be Sun Oct 5 11:39:02 2008 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:39:02 +0200 Subject: Suspend on QT Extended etc. In-Reply-To: <1223199158.26741.1277584607@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1223199158.26741.1277584607@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20081005113902.6affae19@telenet.be> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 11:32:38 +0200 "Nicolas Linkert" wrote: > Hi, > > I am - again - new to this list after my initial contact with the Neo > 1973 some time ago. Now I am starting anew with the Freerunner :-) > > I have QT Extended running on the FR and I have some questions: > > - Suspend works but it does not wake up on incoming calls. This is a > rather old bug. Is there any workaround? > - what rootfs is there to use with it? Can I take any rootfs from any > distribution? Or should I stay with 2007.2? Maybe 2008.9? > - Scrolling with QT Extended is a bit odd. I seem to be starting > applicans while scrolling ... Any workaround for this? > Download "Qt Extended flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02)" version 4.4.1 from qtextended: http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 You need to also download the mwester kernel mentioned there, but it seels that mwester brew a new kernel yesterday (the qtextended link no longer works), so go there and download it directly for gta02: http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels Franky From rt at aspirinka.net Sun Oct 5 15:41:24 2008 From: rt at aspirinka.net (Sergey Alembekov) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 17:41:24 +0400 Subject: rescue my freerunner In-Reply-To: <48E651FD.3010801@openmoko.org> References: <20081003052147.GA4883@banzay-book.home> <48E5B074.4020407@gmail.com> <20081003082044.GA20002@banzay-book.rmt.ru> <13936.192.100.130.7.1223022357.squirrel@www.chrestomanci.org> <48E651FD.3010801@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <20081005134122.GB921@banzay-book.aspirinka.net> On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 10:10:21AM -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote: > If your computer doesn't have an SD slot, you can buy an inexpensive USB > to SDcard adapter. This is what I use and it's been fine. Yes, thank you! > (when you say it's stuck while booting, how long did you wait? IIRC > there is a network related task which will eventually time out, but it > does take quite a long time.) I waited until battery uncharged :) Anyway, booting from SD it's good idea. And i could rescue and discover the reason of problem. -- Regards, Sergey Alembekov ALTLinux Team xmpp: rt at jabber.ru From liedekef at telenet.be Sun Oct 5 11:41:33 2008 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:41:33 +0200 Subject: qtextended In-Reply-To: <1223199263.8112.141.camel@rattus.localdomain> References: <1223196617.8112.138.camel@rattus.localdomain> <20081005105658.46d67d4f@telenet.be> <1223199263.8112.141.camel@rattus.localdomain> Message-ID: <20081005114133.5a36bcb1@telenet.be> No, you need to flash the kernel using "dfu-util -a kernel -R -D wrote: > I used the mwester kernel linked from that page - but what about > modules > - you have to boot the device to install them, and it comes up with > nothing working? > > I am just flashing 2008.9 from the 16th to see if that helps. > > BillK > > > On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 10:56 +0200, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > > On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:50:17 +0800 > > William Kenworthy wrote: > > > > > Becuase 2008.9 doesnt work for me (I need reliable sms), I > > > thought I'd give qt-extended a go. I flashed the jffs2 file, but > > > nothing much seems to happen. > > > > > > I dont get a sim dialog, I dont get any working icons on the > > > desktop (taping them with a stylus does nothing), I dont get a > > > usb network connection (presuming it works the same way as 2008.9) > > > > > > The only thing that works is pressing the power button to bring > > > up the shutdown menu :( > > > > > > Is this whats supposed to happen - a preview of the desktop > > > graphic? > > > > > > BillK > > > > you need to flash the uimage kernel as well: > > http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 > > > > Franky > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From bundeshund at yahoo.de Sun Oct 5 11:58:26 2008 From: bundeshund at yahoo.de (Hans-Martin) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:58:26 +0200 Subject: OT: Games for scummvm? Message-ID: <200810051158.26718.bundeshund@yahoo.de> Hi all, me wants to use scummvm and downloaded some files from http://www.scummvm.org/downloads.php#extras I tried 'Drascula', 'Lure ot the Temptress' and 'Flight of the Amazon Queen' getting mixed resolve but none game running. Drascula and FotAQ are not chooseable from my scummvm or me is to silly to do :) LotT is choosable but returns to shell saying it needs an other version from summvm. Well, me didnt looked too far into this because this was my first try and i tried the other games after that. But transfering the files needs a while so i stop trying now... In short: anyone using scummvm and with what game? regards, hama From billk at iinet.net.au Sun Oct 5 12:00:01 2008 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:00:01 +0800 Subject: qtextended In-Reply-To: <20081005114133.5a36bcb1@telenet.be> References: <1223196617.8112.138.camel@rattus.localdomain> <20081005105658.46d67d4f@telenet.be> <1223199263.8112.141.camel@rattus.localdomain> <20081005114133.5a36bcb1@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1223200801.8112.153.camel@rattus.localdomain> Must have done 20-30 flashes over the past few weeks, various versions of 2007/2008/ASU/FSO/FDOM :) Most of them work - sort of. In particular, most dont want to register the GSM without extra work. I used qtopia/uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin (has the correct md5sum) which I think is supposed to match QTExtended 4.4.1 - but it has the symptoms Ive previously described. I actually suspect it might have hung on the pin dialog like some other distros do as in shutting down via the menu a phone pad sometimes popsup with "waiting" or some such. Waited 15 minutes before removing the battery ... BillK On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 11:41 +0200, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > No, > > you need to flash the kernel using "dfu-util -a kernel -R -D mwester uimage kernel" > And then the rootfs using "dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D > qtextended-4.4.1-gta02-rootfs-release-10022309.jffs2" > > (the difference is in the dfu-util "-a" parameter: kernel vs. rootfs) > > Franky > > On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 17:34:23 +0800 > William Kenworthy wrote: > > > I used the mwester kernel linked from that page - but what about > > modules > > - you have to boot the device to install them, and it comes up with > > nothing working? > > > > I am just flashing 2008.9 from the 16th to see if that helps. > > > > BillK > > > > > > On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 10:56 +0200, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > > > On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:50:17 +0800 > > > William Kenworthy wrote: > > > > > > > Becuase 2008.9 doesnt work for me (I need reliable sms), I > > > > thought I'd give qt-extended a go. I flashed the jffs2 file, but > > > > nothing much seems to happen. > > > > > > > > I dont get a sim dialog, I dont get any working icons on the > > > > desktop (taping them with a stylus does nothing), I dont get a > > > > usb network connection (presuming it works the same way as 2008.9) > > > > > > > > The only thing that works is pressing the power button to bring > > > > up the shutdown menu :( > > > > > > > > Is this whats supposed to happen - a preview of the desktop > > > > graphic? > > > > > > > > BillK > > > > > > you need to flash the uimage kernel as well: > > > http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 > > > > > > Franky > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Openmoko community mailing list > > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! From Quakeman1 at gmx.net Sun Oct 5 12:17:34 2008 From: Quakeman1 at gmx.net (Fox Mulder) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 12:17:34 +0200 Subject: OT: Games for scummvm? In-Reply-To: <200810051158.26718.bundeshund@yahoo.de> References: <200810051158.26718.bundeshund@yahoo.de> Message-ID: <48E8943E.8050106@gmx.net> I used scummvm with 2007.2 and some games like monkey island, day of tentacle and such. All games worked fine but the newer games ver sometimes a bit slow. I also tried it with debian but had not so much success with the newer scummvm version. Also the missing rotate function makes it unusable. A short try with xglamo and rotate ended in a frozen scummvm. :( But i didn't try it hard to get it running with debian. Ciao, Rainer Hans-Martin wrote: > Hi all, > > me wants to use scummvm and downloaded some files from > http://www.scummvm.org/downloads.php#extras > I tried 'Drascula', 'Lure ot the Temptress' and 'Flight of the Amazon Queen' > getting mixed resolve but none game running. Drascula and FotAQ are not > chooseable from my scummvm or me is to silly to do :) > LotT is choosable but returns to shell saying it needs an other version from > summvm. Well, me didnt looked too far into this because this was my first try > and i tried the other games after that. But transfering the files needs a > while so i stop trying now... > > In short: anyone using scummvm and with what game? > > regards, > > hama > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From bundeshund at yahoo.de Sun Oct 5 12:26:32 2008 From: bundeshund at yahoo.de (Hans-Martin) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 12:26:32 +0200 Subject: OT: Games for scummvm? In-Reply-To: <48E8943E.8050106@gmx.net> References: <200810051158.26718.bundeshund@yahoo.de> <48E8943E.8050106@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200810051226.32386.bundeshund@yahoo.de> Am Sonntag, 5. Oktober 2008 12:17:34 schrieb Fox Mulder: > I used scummvm with 2007.2 and some games like monkey island, day of > tentacle and such. All games worked fine but the newer games ver > sometimes a bit slow. as this games are not free me guess, there is no way to get this on a legal way? regards, hama From rod at whitby.id.au Sun Oct 5 12:34:34 2008 From: rod at whitby.id.au (Rod Whitby) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:04:34 +1030 Subject: Building FSO Wiki page In-Reply-To: References: <48C1538D.7060105@gmail.com> <48C158DD.4030707@internode.on.net> <48E7EDEB.3020802@whitby.id.au> Message-ID: <48E8983A.1000806@whitby.id.au> Previdi Roberto wrote: > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Rod Whitby > wrote: > > > 2) if i issue a make update openembedded complains that it don't know > > where to update from... > the Makefile was updated to match this. Did you run "make > update-makefile" and try again? > > i tried but the makefile just doesn't have the update-makefile target.. Apologies for that - the FSO makefile updates itself automatically as part of the normal "make update" target. So if you'd done that you should have got the new makefile. -- Rod From ole-om-community-2008 at mail.plastictree.net Sun Oct 5 14:33:13 2008 From: ole-om-community-2008 at mail.plastictree.net (Ole Kliemann) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 12:33:13 +0000 Subject: The Lost Openmoko Community In-Reply-To: <20081004164202.87285s40zszulmgw@w10.mail.sapo.pt> References: <48E7847E.7040405@gmail.com> <20081004164202.87285s40zszulmgw@w10.mail.sapo.pt> Message-ID: <20081005123313.GA3560@telvanni.starfleet> Hi Vasco, On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 04:42:02PM +0100, vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt wrote: > To all, but especially OM. > I felt a little cheated when I saw the FR I had bought was not ready > to be used as a daily phone. This had in fact been the publicity by OM > at the time - GTA01 was for tinkerers, and GTA02 was for the public. > Then people said "no, it was clear that GTA02 was also for tinkerers > only"... I experienced it the very same way. If you looked just at www.openmoko.com, you would think GTA02 was a ready phone for end-users. I can be blamed for not informing myself enough. But I think OM at least tolerated the possibility of users being misinformed. Otherwise they should have put a clear warning on openmoko.com. Dear OM team, such a warning is even missing today. Instead I read: ``If you plan on using your FreeRunner for everyday use, then we would recommend Qtopia. While it doesn't utilize all the the new hardware features of the phone, it is reliable and stable.'' May be that Qtopia is stable, alas the kernel and hardware are not. WSOD and GSM buzz is my everyday reality. But honestly, I still love this project. OM after all is providing the first free phone. It is about time that man reclaimed machine. And this is a very important step towards it. Still there is a lot of disappointment. And that certainly comes from a lack of communication and information. I experience an unopenness concerning things that don't work yet. When people complain about their FR not being usable as a phone, they get answers like this one: ``I appreciate that many of you purchased the FR to use as your daily phone. But I really believe that the magic of Openmoko comes from what we do with this platform that is different from, and way beyond, a mere phone.''[1] Exaggerating just a bit, it sounds like: ``My FR is not working as a phone!'' - ``Well son, it was never meant to be a phone.'' That's just one random example but to me it feels like the general direction of many OM staff postings. So to pick up my earlier point: Why does openmoko.com not explicitly state that the phone's software is not ready for reliable daily use? There should also be a note about the possibility that the FR with your provider in your region will be suffering from GSM buzz. Thus being unusable as a phone. Ole [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-September/031063.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081005/d61bc01e/attachment.pgp From m.camenzind at live.com Sun Oct 5 12:47:55 2008 From: m.camenzind at live.com (Matthias Camenzind) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:47:55 +0000 Subject: Tango GPS shows GPS Times form 1999 In-Reply-To: <1223146023.27352.31.camel@mf-MAIN> References: <48E7A820.4000900@gmx.net> <1223146023.27352.31.camel@mf-MAIN> Message-ID: I tried out another location, there were found after a short time 2/0 satellites and the gps time was correct. Next time i try i think it should work there. The battery wasn't full charged yesterday, so i didn''t wait longer for a fix. ________________________________ > From: mf1910 at vip.cybercity.dk > To: community at lists.openmoko.org > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 20:47:03 +0200 > Subject: RE: Tango GPS shows GPS Times form 1999 > > On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 17:39 +0000, Matthias Camenzind wrote: > > > On Om2008.8 i used gspd and it didn't work. It looks more like working (the seconds changes form 0 to 9) sometimes is satellites changing to 1/0. > Am I not recieving gsp signlas? How does it look like when there are to less singals? > . > ---------------------------------------- >> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:30:08 +0200 >> From: Quakeman1 at gmx.net >> To: community at lists.openmoko.org >> Subject: Re: Tango GPS shows GPS Times form 1999 >> >> This seems to be a fso-gpsd bug. I also experienced this problem why i >> went back to use gpsd which always show the right time and satellites. >> >> Ciao, >> Rainer >> >> Matthias Camenzind wrote: >>> I've installed Debian on microSD 2GB with Xfce, tangogps and fso-gpsd. >>> The "Trip" section is normaly showing a GPS Time from 1999-11-30 00:00:00 somtimes GPS Time changes short to 2006 or 2007. Tangogps on Om2008.8 shows 1970. On both 0/0 Satellites HDOP 0.0. >>> Is there something wrong with my GPS device? >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Die neue Generation der Windows Live Services - jetzt downloaden! >>> http://get.live.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Openmoko community mailing list >>> community at lists.openmoko.org >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > _________________________________________________________________ > Werden Sie Mitglied der neuen Windows Live Messenger Familie! > http://get.live.com > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > When there is a strong signal and the position locked then there should be at least 5 valid satellites 5/6 or higher. _________________________________________________________________ Die neue Generation der Windows Live Services - jetzt downloaden! http://get.live.com From andyfrommk at googlemail.com Sun Oct 5 13:10:21 2008 From: andyfrommk at googlemail.com (Andy Selby) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 12:10:21 +0100 Subject: OT: Games for scummvm? In-Reply-To: <200810051226.32386.bundeshund@yahoo.de> References: <200810051158.26718.bundeshund@yahoo.de> <48E8943E.8050106@gmx.net> <200810051226.32386.bundeshund@yahoo.de> Message-ID: <27183a390810050410i58d24443t5a27a021bd8da14@mail.gmail.com> > as this games are not free me guess, there is no way to get this on a legal > way? MAME roms are legal to download and use if you own the original, its probably the same for any disk image, just buy the original at any carboot, thrift store or $online_auction_site if you're worried about the legalities, though my guess is you're not going to get into any trouble downloading a 15 year old game by a publisher that stopped trading long ago From joakim at verona.se Sun Oct 5 13:31:02 2008 From: joakim at verona.se (joakim at verona.se) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:31:02 +0200 Subject: [debian] State of annoying memory card corruption bug? References: <48E7A89F.6030401@gmx.net> Message-ID: Fox Mulder writes: > Which kernel and from when do you use? > > This bug should be fixed in newer kernels. But i still use the apm > suspend/resume script which works for me since i installed debian. Ok, how do I ensure I have a newer kernel? I just use the kernel shipped with Debian, I think. > > Ciao, > Rainer > > joakim at verona.se wrote: >> It is rather annoying to fix the memory card whenever it gets corrupted >> and wont boot. I know there are workaround scripts, but they dont work >> for me, since I most often get corruption after booting after unexpected >> power down. >> >> Is there any progress on this bug? Any working workarounds ? >> >> -- Joakim Verona From javiroman at kernel-labs.org Sun Oct 5 13:44:59 2008 From: javiroman at kernel-labs.org (Javi Roman) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:44:59 +0200 Subject: discouraged: projects.openmoko.org unmaintained? Message-ID: <12c2e32e0810050444w2c80a795v8bdd8de1cb26961c@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I have just created a project in projects.openmoko.org. I solved the "Permission denied (publickey)" message, with the public key solution, nevertheless I am unable to log into my ssh account, and unable to checkout my project. I have looked for solutions in google and I have run into this thread: http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-devel/2008/8/22/3034484 "this is a common problem with projects.om.org - ssh+svn hangs .... and the solutions bandied about have been "use google code or sourceforge etc." Please, is it really true that projects.openmoko.org is unusable? -- Javi Roman From paul at nlpagan.net Sun Oct 5 14:11:51 2008 From: paul at nlpagan.net (Paul) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:11:51 +0200 Subject: QTextended 4.4.1 Message-ID: <48E8AF07.9050303@nlpagan.net> Hi, I just flashed QTextended 4.4.1. on my FR (becoming adventurous), and it works quite well. Something I found: - pairing a Bluetooth device works well - switching OFF the Bluetooth device makes the FR hang After removing the battery and rebooting: - switching ON the Bluetooth device makes the FR hang In both occasions, a small timer-clock starts revolving and at "14 seconds" it stops and is determined to stay there. Is this common experience? Or did I just not wait long enough (about a minute) for QT to respond again? (Pressing powerbutton for a long time did not make anything move...) Paul -- The art of progress is to preserve order amid change, and to preserve change amid order. -Alfred North Whitehead http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 From linkert at fastmail.fm Sun Oct 5 14:35:03 2008 From: linkert at fastmail.fm (Nicolas Linkert) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:35:03 +0200 Subject: Suspend on QT Extended etc. In-Reply-To: <20081005113902.6affae19@telenet.be> References: <1223199158.26741.1277584607@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20081005113902.6affae19@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1223210103.22738.1277597713@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi, great. What would be the command to install the modules? dfu-util ... Thanks & greetings, Nicolas On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:39:02 +0200, "Franky Van Liedekerke" said: > On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 11:32:38 +0200 > "Nicolas Linkert" wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I am - again - new to this list after my initial contact with the Neo > > 1973 some time ago. Now I am starting anew with the Freerunner :-) > > > > I have QT Extended running on the FR and I have some questions: > > > > - Suspend works but it does not wake up on incoming calls. This is a > > rather old bug. Is there any workaround? > > - what rootfs is there to use with it? Can I take any rootfs from any > > distribution? Or should I stay with 2007.2? Maybe 2008.9? > > - Scrolling with QT Extended is a bit odd. I seem to be starting > > applicans while scrolling ... Any workaround for this? > > > > Download "Qt Extended flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02)" > version 4.4.1 from qtextended: > http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 > You need to also download the mwester kernel mentioned there, but it > seels that mwester brew a new kernel yesterday (the qtextended link no > longer works), so go there and download it directly for gta02: > http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels > > Franky > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From paul at nlpagan.net Sun Oct 5 14:55:38 2008 From: paul at nlpagan.net (Paul) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:55:38 +0200 Subject: Suspend on QT Extended etc. In-Reply-To: <1223210103.22738.1277597713@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1223199158.26741.1277584607@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20081005113902.6affae19@telenet.be> <1223210103.22738.1277597713@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <48E8B94A.30505@nlpagan.net> Nicolas Linkert wrote: > great. What would be the command to install the modules? dfu-util ... > dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D qtextended-4.4.1-gta02-rootfs-release-10022309.jffs2 This worked for me. Paul -- The art of progress is to preserve order amid change, and to preserve change amid order. -Alfred North Whitehead http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 From khoonirobo at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 14:57:01 2008 From: khoonirobo at gmail.com (Vibhav Sharma) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:27:01 +0530 Subject: QTextended 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <48E8AF07.9050303@nlpagan.net> References: <48E8AF07.9050303@nlpagan.net> Message-ID: <48E8B99D.5020402@gmail.com> Paul wrote: > Hi, > > I just flashed QTextended 4.4.1. on my FR (becoming adventurous), and it > works quite well. > > Something I found: > > - pairing a Bluetooth device works well > - switching OFF the Bluetooth device makes the FR hang > > After removing the battery and rebooting: > > - switching ON the Bluetooth device makes the FR hang > > In both occasions, a small timer-clock starts revolving and at "14 > seconds" it stops and is determined to stay there. > > Hi all, Not tried bluetooth, but been using QTextended since yesterday, and here are my observations: 1. On incoming call, ringtone is played from ear-phone instead of speaker-phone. Media player also plays back using ear-phone. * by ear-phone I mean the speaker where you put your ear to to listen to other party in voice call and speaker-phone is the speaker on the side. 2. Power management can be a little erratic. I.e. I changed settings so that phone does not suspend even on battery (worked). Changed it to suspend again after 50s (did not work). Shutdown and restarted phone (suspending properly again). 3. Executing 'apm' from terminal earlier used to give battery status ... does not any longer. I'm assuming this is related to battery icon showing empty. 4. Wifi configuration worked perfectly from gui. Except for empty 'resolv.conf', I vaguely remember seeing somewhere that have to do stuff to get that working. Will look into that. 'System Info' network showed wrong gateway (IP assigned to device instead of gateway IP). But configuration was correct according to 'ip route show' and it was working ok. 5. Contact upload from vcf worked. For newbies: path is now /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/... instead of /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/... if you are using the instructions from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts . Will update wiki on this soon. 6. Phone UI freezes for some time (30s) sometimes (rarely). Not been able to do any further analysis as to when / why / how. 7. Desperately need info on how mapping demo can be configured etc. Need to cache maps. It seems you can't move around / zoom. @Lorn any way we could provide you with debugging info / help that you require to get this working perfectly. If you could guide us to some links etc for the same. Would be much appreciated. If anybody has observed these issues in their setup / worked around them, pointers would be appreciated. Thanks and regards, Vibhav From jluebbe at openmoko.org Sun Oct 5 14:57:06 2008 From: jluebbe at openmoko.org (Jan =?ISO-8859-1?Q?L=FCbbe?=) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:57:06 +0200 Subject: Looking for Free time zone map data Message-ID: <1223211426.6097.59.camel@polaris> Hi! We were thinking about how to handle timezones in the FSO framework and decided we would like to be able to detect the time zone automatically based on the current location. I've search for a database with the necessary information, but i only found a commercial provider which doesn't allow redistribution. Does anyone have an idea how we could solve this problem? Thanks, Jan From caratorn at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 15:00:22 2008 From: caratorn at gmail.com (Charles =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cl=E9ment?=) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:00:22 +0200 Subject: Suspend on QT Extended etc. In-Reply-To: <1223210103.22738.1277597713@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1223199158.26741.1277584607@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20081005113902.6affae19@telenet.be> <1223210103.22738.1277597713@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20081005130022.GA8148@sourdiere> On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 02:35:03PM +0200, Nicolas Linkert wrote: > Hi, > > great. What would be the command to install the modules? dfu-util ... You can copy the file over to the phone, ssh and do tar xvzf modules-min-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.tgz -C / which will populate the modules in the file system. > Thanks & greetings, > Nicolas > > On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:39:02 +0200, "Franky Van Liedekerke" > said: > > On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 11:32:38 +0200 > > "Nicolas Linkert" wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am - again - new to this list after my initial contact with the Neo > > > 1973 some time ago. Now I am starting anew with the Freerunner :-) > > > > > > I have QT Extended running on the FR and I have some questions: > > > > > > - Suspend works but it does not wake up on incoming calls. This is a > > > rather old bug. Is there any workaround? > > > - what rootfs is there to use with it? Can I take any rootfs from any > > > distribution? Or should I stay with 2007.2? Maybe 2008.9? > > > - Scrolling with QT Extended is a bit odd. I seem to be starting > > > applicans while scrolling ... Any workaround for this? > > > > > > > Download "Qt Extended flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02)" > > version 4.4.1 from qtextended: > > http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 > > You need to also download the mwester kernel mentioned there, but it > > seels that mwester brew a new kernel yesterday (the qtextended link no > > longer works), so go there and download it directly for gta02: > > http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels > > > > Franky > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Charles Cl?ment. From khoonirobo at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 15:00:28 2008 From: khoonirobo at gmail.com (Vibhav Sharma) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:30:28 +0530 Subject: QTextended 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <48E8B99D.5020402@gmail.com> References: <48E8AF07.9050303@nlpagan.net> <48E8B99D.5020402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E8BA6C.2010903@gmail.com> Vibhav Sharma wrote: > Paul wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I just flashed QTextended 4.4.1. on my FR (becoming adventurous), and >> it works quite well. >> >> Something I found: >> >> - pairing a Bluetooth device works well >> - switching OFF the Bluetooth device makes the FR hang >> >> After removing the battery and rebooting: >> >> - switching ON the Bluetooth device makes the FR hang >> >> In both occasions, a small timer-clock starts revolving and at "14 >> seconds" it stops and is determined to stay there. >> >> > Hi all, > > Not tried bluetooth, but been using QTextended since yesterday, and > here are my observations: > > 1. On incoming call, ringtone is played from ear-phone instead of > speaker-phone. Media player also plays back using ear-phone. > * by ear-phone I mean the speaker where you put your ear to to > listen to other party in voice call and speaker-phone is the speaker > on the side. > > 2. Power management can be a little erratic. I.e. I changed settings > so that phone does not suspend even on battery (worked). Changed it to > suspend again after 50s (did not work). Shutdown and restarted phone > (suspending properly again). > > 3. Executing 'apm' from terminal earlier used to give battery status > ... does not any longer. I'm assuming this is related to battery icon > showing empty. > > 4. Wifi configuration worked perfectly from gui. Except for empty > 'resolv.conf', I vaguely remember seeing somewhere that have to do > stuff to get that working. Will look into that. 'System Info' network > showed wrong gateway (IP assigned to device instead of gateway IP). > But configuration was correct according to 'ip route show' and it was > working ok. > > 5. Contact upload from vcf worked. For newbies: path is now > /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/... instead of /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/... if you are > using the instructions from > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts . Will update wiki > on this soon. > > 6. Phone UI freezes for some time (30s) sometimes (rarely). Not been > able to do any further analysis as to when / why / how. > > 7. Desperately need info on how mapping demo can be configured etc. > Need to cache maps. It seems you can't move around / zoom. > > @Lorn > any way we could provide you with debugging info / help that you > require to get this working perfectly. If you could guide us to some > links etc for the same. > Would be much appreciated. > > If anybody has observed these issues in their setup / worked around > them, pointers would be appreciated. > > Thanks and regards, > Vibhav > > Apologise for replying to my own mail. But in case anybody wanted to know: I'd setup my freerunner by using the kernel image from qtextended.org, qtextended-4.4.1 jffs image before update and installing the timezone ipk. Regards, Vibhav From linkert at fastmail.fm Sun Oct 5 15:01:27 2008 From: linkert at fastmail.fm (Nicolas Linkert) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:01:27 +0200 Subject: Suspend on QT Extended etc. In-Reply-To: <48E8B94A.30505@nlpagan.net> References: <1223199158.26741.1277584607@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20081005113902.6affae19@telenet.be> <1223210103.22738.1277597713@webmail.messagingengine.com> <48E8B94A.30505@nlpagan.net> Message-ID: <1223211687.27472.1277599647@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi, yes, works as described. However, the primary obstacle is that the phone - once in suspend mode - does not wake up from calls. That's really too bad since it means it cannot be used as a phone. 3-5 hours are just not enough ... Oh, well. Thanks, Nick On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:55:38 +0200, "Paul" said: > Nicolas Linkert wrote: > > great. What would be the command to install the modules? dfu-util ... > > > > dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin > dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D > qtextended-4.4.1-gta02-rootfs-release-10022309.jffs2 > > This worked for me. > > Paul > > -- > The art of progress is to preserve order amid change, > and to preserve change amid order. > -Alfred North Whitehead > > http://www.nlpagan.net > Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Sun Oct 5 15:01:37 2008 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (sampablokuper) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 06:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Android In-Reply-To: References: <489D5088.9060404@baroukh.com> Message-ID: <1223211697164-1298745.post@n2.nabble.com> C?dric Berger wrote: > > Porting android should be possible, but only when its sources are > released (should be when first android phones are available) > The first Android phones are due to be available on http://www.t-mobileg1.com/g1-learn-faqs-phone.aspx 22 Oct 2008 in the US . I'm really hoping to see what sort of progress will be made after that. On a different front, will it be possible to port Android applications (not the whole OS, just the apps) to distros running on Neo phones? For instance, if I had a FreeRunner, could I run http://scan.jsharkey.org/ Scan on it* now or soon (i.e. without having to wait for Android to be ported), and how much work would this be? Thanks for your help, and apologies it I've missed answers to my question in the mailing lists: I'm still learning my way around OpenMoko and Android terminology, and am by no means an operating system developer. Cheers, spk *Assuming I tweaked Scan to let me type in the barcode numbers rather than submitting photos, since the FR doesn't have a camera. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Android-tp682496p1298745.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From billk at iinet.net.au Sun Oct 5 15:10:07 2008 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:10:07 +0800 Subject: Suspend on QT Extended etc. In-Reply-To: <48E8B94A.30505@nlpagan.net> References: <1223199158.26741.1277584607@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20081005113902.6affae19@telenet.be> <1223210103.22738.1277597713@webmail.messagingengine.com> <48E8B94A.30505@nlpagan.net> Message-ID: <1223212207.8112.176.camel@rattus.localdomain> Didnt for me - but I have come to the conclusion its related to my sim - will try another one tomorrow. BillK On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 14:55 +0200, Paul wrote: > Nicolas Linkert wrote: > > great. What would be the command to install the modules? dfu-util ... > > > > dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin > dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D > qtextended-4.4.1-gta02-rootfs-release-10022309.jffs2 > > This worked for me. > > Paul > -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! From billk at iinet.net.au Sun Oct 5 15:15:06 2008 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:15:06 +0800 Subject: Looking for Free time zone map data In-Reply-To: <1223211426.6097.59.camel@polaris> References: <1223211426.6097.59.camel@polaris> Message-ID: <1223212506.8112.182.camel@rattus.localdomain> Yes - DONT DO IT! In Australia we change DST on a per state basis - we are 3 weeks behind in this to Eastern states, and guess where the carriers are based, and what happened on many/most mobiles here last night ... When travelling across timezones, its nice to be able to control whats happening. When it goes wrong it WILL really stuff your day - sorry, you were late to the job interview ... Please, please if you decide to go ahead with such a monstrosity, include a way for us to turn it off and provide manual changes. BillK On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 14:57 +0200, Jan L?bbe wrote: > Hi! > > We were thinking about how to handle timezones in the FSO framework and > decided we would like to be able to detect the time zone automatically > based on the current location. I've search for a database with the > necessary information, but i only found a commercial provider which > doesn't allow redistribution. > > Does anyone have an idea how we could solve this problem? > > Thanks, > Jan > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! From paul at nlpagan.net Sun Oct 5 15:17:54 2008 From: paul at nlpagan.net (Paul) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:17:54 +0200 Subject: QTextended. Wheel. Message-ID: <48E8BE82.8030003@nlpagan.net> I activated the Wheelbrowser in QT. It looks funny, but I can't activate any of the apps. What's the best way to get back to plain vanilla QT, flash it again? Or is the setting stored in $HOME somewhere? Paul -- The art of progress is to preserve order amid change, and to preserve change amid order. -Alfred North Whitehead http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 From dilodovico at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 15:36:11 2008 From: dilodovico at gmail.com (Federico Di Lodovico) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:36:11 +0200 Subject: Suspend on QT Extended etc. In-Reply-To: <1223212207.8112.176.camel@rattus.localdomain> References: <1223199158.26741.1277584607@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20081005113902.6affae19@telenet.be> <1223210103.22738.1277597713@webmail.messagingengine.com> <48E8B94A.30505@nlpagan.net> <1223212207.8112.176.camel@rattus.localdomain> Message-ID: <275f7a30810050636q1294dd71q90114f8ee981f552@mail.gmail.com> I tried it, but i have the same problem :-( On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 3:10 PM, William Kenworthy wrote: > Didnt for me - but I have come to the conclusion its related to my sim - > will try another one tomorrow. > > BillK > > On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 14:55 +0200, Paul wrote: > > Nicolas Linkert wrote: > > > great. What would be the command to install the modules? dfu-util ... > > > > > > > dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin > > dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D > > qtextended-4.4.1-gta02-rootfs-release-10022309.jffs2 > > > > This worked for me. > > > > Paul > > > -- > William Kenworthy > Home in Perth! > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081005/d6be72d9/attachment.htm From klemmster at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 15:55:33 2008 From: klemmster at gmail.com (Richy) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:55:33 +0200 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9e7398030810050655k7d668b30n279d7f1987a74a30@mail.gmail.com> Hey, I'm trying to get FSO working beneath the Raster-Image. I installed zhone. That drew in a lot of dependencies, which is fine. However, I couldn't connect to DBUS, even though dbus is installed, but frameworkd wasn't. (Why itsn't it a dependency of of zhone?) Now, I don't have any sound in zhone. No ring tones, I can't hear anyone talking. Rasters alarm is working though. what package am I missing here? Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081005/083b2181/attachment.htm From daniel at openmoko.org Sun Oct 5 16:01:30 2008 From: daniel at openmoko.org (Daniel Willmann) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:01:30 +0800 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <20081003093428.75b1b5fb.raster@rasterman.com> References: <20081002134603.72ba260c.raster@rasterman.com> <48E47F58.3050006@openmoko.com> <20081002192720.1999899b.raster@rasterman.com> <48E4F8E6.9010908@openmoko.com> <20081003093428.75b1b5fb.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <20081005220130.76a0f9ab@elara.dyn.totalueberwachung.de> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:34:28 +1000 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:37:58 -0700 Steve Mosher > babbled: > > > I used to have a bunch of them when I was doing a NLG ( natural > > Language generation) pet project. I sent you a link to US names as > > well. from the US census. > > For personal dictionaries, people could just run a simple word > > frequency analysis on their archived email,( there are GPL > > programs that do this I believe, but its dead easy to write > > yourself) and import their email contacts into the database. > > in fact that is the idea of the "3" dictionaries the keyboard has. it > has "system" (which is base language - eg english), personal (any > words they type in at all go in here - they inherit frequency they > had before but now gain in count as they get used more), and.. > "generated" dictionary > - ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/data.dic - this file is expected to be > regularly generated from the users sms's, emails, contact list etc. > containing words from their every-day activity - so that friend with > a strange name... gets their name into the dictionary pool this > way. :) Is there a way to tie into bash_completion when we are on a terminal? That should be fun :-) Regards, Daniel Willmann -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081005/63b05408/attachment.pgp From raster at rasterman.com Sun Oct 5 16:14:25 2008 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 01:14:25 +1100 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <20081005220130.76a0f9ab@elara.dyn.totalueberwachung.de> References: <20081002134603.72ba260c.raster@rasterman.com> <48E47F58.3050006@openmoko.com> <20081002192720.1999899b.raster@rasterman.com> <48E4F8E6.9010908@openmoko.com> <20081003093428.75b1b5fb.raster@rasterman.com> <20081005220130.76a0f9ab@elara.dyn.totalueberwachung.de> Message-ID: <20081006011425.be46cc5d.raster@rasterman.com> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:01:30 +0800 Daniel Willmann babbled: > Is there a way to tie into bash_completion when we are on a terminal? > That should be fun :-) none really. that info is private to the shell - which is private (and insulated) from the wm in turn. > Regards, > Daniel Willmann > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From jluebbe at lasnet.de Sun Oct 5 16:16:39 2008 From: jluebbe at lasnet.de (Jan Luebbe) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:16:39 +0200 Subject: Looking for Free time zone map data In-Reply-To: <1223212506.8112.182.camel@rattus.localdomain> References: <1223211426.6097.59.camel@polaris> <1223212506.8112.182.camel@rattus.localdomain> Message-ID: <1223216199.6097.66.camel@polaris> On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 21:15 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: > In Australia we change DST on a per state basis - we are 3 weeks behind > in this to Eastern states, and guess where the carriers are based, and > what happened on many/most mobiles here last night ... The way it should work is based on the geographical location. The location then needs to be mapped to tzdata entry (which should contain all relevant DST information). > When travelling across timezones, its nice to be able to control whats > happening. > > When it goes wrong it WILL really stuff your day - sorry, you were late > to the job interview ... > > Please, please if you decide to go ahead with such a monstrosity, > include a way for us to turn it off and provide manual changes. Of course the will be a way to turn it off. Nevertheless it would be nice to get off the plane and just have the correct time zone. Jan From ttb.1001 at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 16:45:50 2008 From: ttb.1001 at gmail.com (t m) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:45:50 +0100 Subject: The Lost Openmoko Community In-Reply-To: <20081005123313.GA3560@telvanni.starfleet> References: <48E7847E.7040405@gmail.com> <20081004164202.87285s40zszulmgw@w10.mail.sapo.pt> <20081005123313.GA3560@telvanni.starfleet> Message-ID: I agree with what you are saying. When I bought the phone I knew there were some issues, but I had confidence in the hardware. I also had the impression it wouldn't take much time to be able to use it as a very basic phone. Maybe I was wrong with my assumption. Even the so called reliable and stable qtopia had missing sms messages, picking up a call and no sound, lost pin enter screens, echo and resume not functional. Would be nice to have one basic image with a focus on these issues. Even if it slowed down development. I guess developers also need a phone, don't they? > > When people complain about their FR not being usable as a phone, they > get answers like this one: > > ``I appreciate that many of you purchased the FR to use as your daily > phone. But I really believe that the magic of Openmoko comes from what > we do with this platform that is different from, and way beyond, a mere > phone.''[1] > > Exaggerating just a bit, it sounds like: > > ``My FR is not working as a phone!'' - ``Well son, it was never meant > to be a phone.'' > > That's just one random example but to me it feels like the general > direction of many OM staff postings. > > So to pick up my earlier point: Why does openmoko.com not explicitly > state that the phone's software is not ready for reliable daily use? > There should also be a note about the possibility that the FR with your > provider in your region will be suffering from GSM buzz. Thus being > unusable as a phone. > > Ole > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081005/f5833291/attachment.htm From nicola.mfb at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 16:47:30 2008 From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 16:47:30 +0200 Subject: Illume and Qt Message-ID: <359c5480810050747t1058446em6a19ea729b6ea9d6@mail.gmail.com> Hi! Illume does not show Qt/QMessageBox dialogs, i think this is not a problem of Qt as they appears fine with matchbox. Is this a known issue? regards Nicola -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081005/8b47bb9e/attachment.htm From mjrauhal at cc.helsinki.fi Sun Oct 5 17:03:10 2008 From: mjrauhal at cc.helsinki.fi (Mikko Rauhala) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:03:10 +0300 Subject: Android In-Reply-To: <1223211697164-1298745.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <489D5088.9060404@baroukh.com> <1223211697164-1298745.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1223218990.7478.6.camel@phantom> su, 2008-10-05 kello 06:01 -0700, sampablokuper kirjoitti: > On a different front, will it be possible to port Android applications (not > the whole OS, just the apps) to distros running on Neo phones? For instance, > if I had a FreeRunner, could I run http://scan.jsharkey.org/ Scan on it* > now or soon (i.e. without having to wait for Android to be ported), and how > much work would this be? You need to modify the VM to target arm4 and use X11 for display (and handle environment integration in a sufficient manner for the desired apps). Probably one of the bigger pieces of porting work with the whole system, since it's decidedly not just a recompile away. Probably not an insane amount of work though either, but this is from a guy not doing it. -- Mikko Rauhala - mjr at iki.fi - Transhumanist - WTA member - Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - From gromez at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 17:16:30 2008 From: gromez at gmail.com (gromez) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 17:16:30 +0200 Subject: QTextended. Wheel. In-Reply-To: <48E8BE82.8030003@nlpagan.net> References: <48E8BE82.8030003@nlpagan.net> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Paul wrote: > I activated the Wheelbrowser in QT. > > It looks funny, but I can't activate any of the apps. What's the best > way to get back to plain vanilla QT, flash it again? Or is the setting > stored in $HOME somewhere? Just tried this feature and it didn't work as you said. To get back default Qtextended behaviour you can access to the latest executed apps throught the AUX button. From Quakeman1 at gmx.net Sun Oct 5 17:56:11 2008 From: Quakeman1 at gmx.net (Fox Mulder) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 17:56:11 +0200 Subject: [debian] State of annoying memory card corruption bug? In-Reply-To: References: <48E7A89F.6030401@gmx.net> Message-ID: <48E8E39B.5060302@gmx.net> The kernel shipped with debian has the corruption bug. To update your kernel you must do it by hand. The instruction how to do this is in the debian page in the openmoko wiki [1]. I changed my /boot partition from vfat to ext2 and symlink the boot-kernel to the one i want to use because i switch between the actual OM and FSO kernels. Ciao, Rainer [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#How_to_replace_the_default_kernel_with_a_recent_openmoko_kernel joakim at verona.se wrote: > Fox Mulder writes: > >> Which kernel and from when do you use? >> >> This bug should be fixed in newer kernels. But i still use the apm >> suspend/resume script which works for me since i installed debian. > > Ok, how do I ensure I have a newer kernel? I just use the kernel shipped > with Debian, I think. > >> Ciao, >> Rainer >> >> joakim at verona.se wrote: >>> It is rather annoying to fix the memory card whenever it gets corrupted >>> and wont boot. I know there are workaround scripts, but they dont work >>> for me, since I most often get corruption after booting after unexpected >>> power down. >>> >>> Is there any progress on this bug? Any working workarounds ? >>> >>> From nicola.mfb at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 18:02:57 2008 From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:02:57 +0200 Subject: How to build qt-extended? In-Reply-To: <359c5480810040046w7c18f49ayad2abc9b931caf15@mail.gmail.com> References: <359c5480810020621y1a92cbc8sc198253f6a44a481@mail.gmail.com> <48E55B2A.8080408@e4net.com> <359c5480810030055q42c31256n5188a8a45a6263ce@mail.gmail.com> <48E6714A.9000307@trolltech.com> <359c5480810040046w7c18f49ayad2abc9b931caf15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <359c5480810050902gf4226a4j882c6a314a2319c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/4 Nicola Mfb > 2008/10/3 Lorn Potter > >> >> > I just downloaded the updated toolchains, but the problem persist: >> >> Looks like it configured in ssl to me: >> > > Yes!, but the problem is not here, qbuild does not anything! it simply > answer Nothing to be done for "default" > > Regards > Ok, it happens on gentoo systems! on ubuntu it goes well. Nicola -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081005/2edabec7/attachment.htm From martinsenkerik at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 18:17:07 2008 From: martinsenkerik at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Martin_=C5=A0enke=C5=99=C3=ADk?=) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:17:07 +0200 Subject: discouraged: projects.openmoko.org unmaintained? In-Reply-To: <12c2e32e0810050444w2c80a795v8bdd8de1cb26961c@mail.gmail.com> References: <12c2e32e0810050444w2c80a795v8bdd8de1cb26961c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <725bc0ca0810050917x78b2d3f7kcc6ff5c7c5377ec3@mail.gmail.com> I am using projects without any problems. Yes I use svn, I use news, I use releases, forum... Everything works. When posting public key, you have to wait a little bit, as it is maintained by cron script. If it still doesn't work, check if you entered correct key. At first I have some trouble with it, but now it's ok. Give it one more try ;-) Martin On 10/5/08, Javi Roman wrote: > Hi all, > > I have just created a project in projects.openmoko.org. I solved the > "Permission denied (publickey)" message, with the public key solution, > nevertheless I am unable to log into my ssh account, and unable to > checkout my project. I have looked for solutions in google and I have > run into this thread: > > http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-devel/2008/8/22/3034484 > > "this is a common problem with projects.om.org - ssh+svn hangs .... > and the solutions bandied about have been "use google code or > sourceforge etc." > > Please, is it really true that projects.openmoko.org is unusable? > > > > -- > Javi Roman > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From martinsenkerik at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 18:17:07 2008 From: martinsenkerik at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Martin_=C5=A0enke=C5=99=C3=ADk?=) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:17:07 +0200 Subject: discouraged: projects.openmoko.org unmaintained? In-Reply-To: <12c2e32e0810050444w2c80a795v8bdd8de1cb26961c@mail.gmail.com> References: <12c2e32e0810050444w2c80a795v8bdd8de1cb26961c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <725bc0ca0810050917x78b2d3f7kcc6ff5c7c5377ec3@mail.gmail.com> I am using projects without any problems. Yes I use svn, I use news, I use releases, forum... Everything works. When posting public key, you have to wait a little bit, as it is maintained by cron script. If it still doesn't work, check if you entered correct key. At first I have some trouble with it, but now it's ok. Give it one more try ;-) Martin On 10/5/08, Javi Roman wrote: > Hi all, > > I have just created a project in projects.openmoko.org. I solved the > "Permission denied (publickey)" message, with the public key solution, > nevertheless I am unable to log into my ssh account, and unable to > checkout my project. I have looked for solutions in google and I have > run into this thread: > > http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-devel/2008/8/22/3034484 > > "this is a common problem with projects.om.org - ssh+svn hangs .... > and the solutions bandied about have been "use google code or > sourceforge etc." > > Please, is it really true that projects.openmoko.org is unusable? > > > > -- > Javi Roman > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From steve at openmoko.com Sun Oct 5 18:28:19 2008 From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 09:28:19 -0700 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <20081005220130.76a0f9ab@elara.dyn.totalueberwachung.de> References: <20081002134603.72ba260c.raster@rasterman.com> <48E47F58.3050006@openmoko.com> <20081002192720.1999899b.raster@rasterman.com> <48E4F8E6.9010908@openmoko.com> <20081003093428.75b1b5fb.raster@rasterman.com> <20081005220130.76a0f9ab@elara.dyn.totalueberwachung.de> Message-ID: <48E8EB23.4090803@openmoko.com> Raster, I don't think I was exactly clear on using the email database. What I was thinking is that you could run a simple program on your desktop computer and do a frequency analysis of the mails ( and contacts) that you have on your PC. Same with chat logs. Then merge that (somehow) into the database on the phone, say in the personal. Daniel Willmann wrote: > On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:34:28 +1000 > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > >> On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:37:58 -0700 Steve Mosher >> babbled: >> >>> I used to have a bunch of them when I was doing a NLG ( natural >>> Language generation) pet project. I sent you a link to US names as >>> well. from the US census. >>> For personal dictionaries, people could just run a simple word >>> frequency analysis on their archived email,( there are GPL >>> programs that do this I believe, but its dead easy to write >>> yourself) and import their email contacts into the database. >> in fact that is the idea of the "3" dictionaries the keyboard has. it >> has "system" (which is base language - eg english), personal (any >> words they type in at all go in here - they inherit frequency they >> had before but now gain in count as they get used more), and.. >> "generated" dictionary >> - ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/data.dic - this file is expected to be >> regularly generated from the users sms's, emails, contact list etc. >> containing words from their every-day activity - so that friend with >> a strange name... gets their name into the dictionary pool this >> way. :) > > Is there a way to tie into bash_completion when we are on a terminal? > That should be fun :-) > > Regards, > Daniel Willmann > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From liedekef at telenet.be Sun Oct 5 18:02:35 2008 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:02:35 +0200 Subject: QTextended 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <48E8B99D.5020402@gmail.com> References: <48E8AF07.9050303@nlpagan.net> <48E8B99D.5020402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081005180235.5c286dda@telenet.be> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:27:01 +0530 Vibhav Sharma wrote: > Paul wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I just flashed QTextended 4.4.1. on my FR (becoming adventurous), > > and it works quite well. > > > > Something I found: > > > > - pairing a Bluetooth device works well > > - switching OFF the Bluetooth device makes the FR hang > > > > After removing the battery and rebooting: > > > > - switching ON the Bluetooth device makes the FR hang > > > > In both occasions, a small timer-clock starts revolving and at "14 > > seconds" it stops and is determined to stay there. > > > > > Hi all, > > Not tried bluetooth, but been using QTextended since yesterday, and > here are my observations: > > 1. On incoming call, ringtone is played from ear-phone instead of > speaker-phone. Media player also plays back using ear-phone. > * by ear-phone I mean the speaker where you put your ear to to > listen to other party in voice call and speaker-phone is the speaker > on the side. > > 2. Power management can be a little erratic. I.e. I changed settings > so that phone does not suspend even on battery (worked). Changed it > to suspend again after 50s (did not work). Shutdown and restarted > phone (suspending properly again). > > 3. Executing 'apm' from terminal earlier used to give battery > status ... does not any longer. I'm assuming this is related to > battery icon showing empty. > > 4. Wifi configuration worked perfectly from gui. Except for empty > 'resolv.conf', I vaguely remember seeing somewhere that have to do > stuff to get that working. Will look into that. 'System Info' network > showed wrong gateway (IP assigned to device instead of gateway IP). > But configuration was correct according to 'ip route show' and it was > working ok. > > 5. Contact upload from vcf worked. For newbies: path is now > /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/... instead of /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/... if you are > using the instructions from > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts . Will update wiki > on this soon. > > 6. Phone UI freezes for some time (30s) sometimes (rarely). Not been > able to do any further analysis as to when / why / how. > > 7. Desperately need info on how mapping demo can be configured etc. > Need to cache maps. It seems you can't move around / zoom. > > @Lorn > any way we could provide you with debugging info / help that you > require to get this working perfectly. If you could guide us to some > links etc for the same. > Would be much appreciated. > > If anybody has observed these issues in their setup / worked around > them, pointers would be appreciated. Hi, I haven't had any issues with bluetooth or waking up from suspended for a call (haven't tried sms before). However, my issues are: - echo is back. With echo I mean when somebody else is calling you on your freerunner and they hear everything they say themselves. This in fact is so loud that the freerunner is unusable as a phone. Maybe that alsa controls can help here, but I don't seem to be able to find the alsa state files on qtextended. - alarm doesn't sound on time when the phone is suspended. The phone unsuspends right on time, but no alarm is played/shown (but it does after a while if you keep the phone unsuspended). Probably this has to do with the alarm already being overdue when the phone finishes unsuspending. Being somebody who doesn't own a separate alarm clock, this is a must-have function for me. For the empty battery icon: install the latest webster kernel found at http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels , this kernel fixes at least that and maybe even the bluetooth issues. Franky From nicola.mfb at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 18:02:57 2008 From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:02:57 +0200 Subject: How to build qt-extended? In-Reply-To: <359c5480810040046w7c18f49ayad2abc9b931caf15@mail.gmail.com> References: <359c5480810020621y1a92cbc8sc198253f6a44a481@mail.gmail.com> <48E55B2A.8080408@e4net.com> <359c5480810030055q42c31256n5188a8a45a6263ce@mail.gmail.com> <48E6714A.9000307@trolltech.com> <359c5480810040046w7c18f49ayad2abc9b931caf15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <359c5480810050902gf4226a4j882c6a314a2319c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/4 Nicola Mfb > 2008/10/3 Lorn Potter > >> >> > I just downloaded the updated toolchains, but the problem persist: >> >> Looks like it configured in ssl to me: >> > > Yes!, but the problem is not here, qbuild does not anything! it simply > answer Nothing to be done for "default" > > Regards > Ok, it happens on gentoo systems! on ubuntu it goes well. Nicola -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081005/2edabec7/attachment-0001.htm From liedekef at telenet.be Sun Oct 5 18:02:35 2008 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:02:35 +0200 Subject: QTextended 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <48E8B99D.5020402@gmail.com> References: <48E8AF07.9050303@nlpagan.net> <48E8B99D.5020402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081005180235.5c286dda@telenet.be> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:27:01 +0530 Vibhav Sharma wrote: > Paul wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I just flashed QTextended 4.4.1. on my FR (becoming adventurous), > > and it works quite well. > > > > Something I found: > > > > - pairing a Bluetooth device works well > > - switching OFF the Bluetooth device makes the FR hang > > > > After removing the battery and rebooting: > > > > - switching ON the Bluetooth device makes the FR hang > > > > In both occasions, a small timer-clock starts revolving and at "14 > > seconds" it stops and is determined to stay there. > > > > > Hi all, > > Not tried bluetooth, but been using QTextended since yesterday, and > here are my observations: > > 1. On incoming call, ringtone is played from ear-phone instead of > speaker-phone. Media player also plays back using ear-phone. > * by ear-phone I mean the speaker where you put your ear to to > listen to other party in voice call and speaker-phone is the speaker > on the side. > > 2. Power management can be a little erratic. I.e. I changed settings > so that phone does not suspend even on battery (worked). Changed it > to suspend again after 50s (did not work). Shutdown and restarted > phone (suspending properly again). > > 3. Executing 'apm' from terminal earlier used to give battery > status ... does not any longer. I'm assuming this is related to > battery icon showing empty. > > 4. Wifi configuration worked perfectly from gui. Except for empty > 'resolv.conf', I vaguely remember seeing somewhere that have to do > stuff to get that working. Will look into that. 'System Info' network > showed wrong gateway (IP assigned to device instead of gateway IP). > But configuration was correct according to 'ip route show' and it was > working ok. > > 5. Contact upload from vcf worked. For newbies: path is now > /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/... instead of /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/... if you are > using the instructions from > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts . Will update wiki > on this soon. > > 6. Phone UI freezes for some time (30s) sometimes (rarely). Not been > able to do any further analysis as to when / why / how. > > 7. Desperately need info on how mapping demo can be configured etc. > Need to cache maps. It seems you can't move around / zoom. > > @Lorn > any way we could provide you with debugging info / help that you > require to get this working perfectly. If you could guide us to some > links etc for the same. > Would be much appreciated. > > If anybody has observed these issues in their setup / worked around > them, pointers would be appreciated. Hi, I haven't had any issues with bluetooth or waking up from suspended for a call (haven't tried sms before). However, my issues are: - echo is back. With echo I mean when somebody else is calling you on your freerunner and they hear everything they say themselves. This in fact is so loud that the freerunner is unusable as a phone. Maybe that alsa controls can help here, but I don't seem to be able to find the alsa state files on qtextended. - alarm doesn't sound on time when the phone is suspended. The phone unsuspends right on time, but no alarm is played/shown (but it does after a while if you keep the phone unsuspended). Probably this has to do with the alarm already being overdue when the phone finishes unsuspending. Being somebody who doesn't own a separate alarm clock, this is a must-have function for me. For the empty battery icon: install the latest webster kernel found at http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels , this kernel fixes at least that and maybe even the bluetooth issues. Franky From martinsenkerik at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 18:17:07 2008 From: martinsenkerik at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Martin_=C5=A0enke=C5=99=C3=ADk?=) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:17:07 +0200 Subject: discouraged: projects.openmoko.org unmaintained? In-Reply-To: <12c2e32e0810050444w2c80a795v8bdd8de1cb26961c@mail.gmail.com> References: <12c2e32e0810050444w2c80a795v8bdd8de1cb26961c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <725bc0ca0810050917x78b2d3f7kcc6ff5c7c5377ec3@mail.gmail.com> I am using projects without any problems. Yes I use svn, I use news, I use releases, forum... Everything works. When posting public key, you have to wait a little bit, as it is maintained by cron script. If it still doesn't work, check if you entered correct key. At first I have some trouble with it, but now it's ok. Give it one more try ;-) Martin On 10/5/08, Javi Roman wrote: > Hi all, > > I have just created a project in projects.openmoko.org. I solved the > "Permission denied (publickey)" message, with the public key solution, > nevertheless I am unable to log into my ssh account, and unable to > checkout my project. I have looked for solutions in google and I have > run into this thread: > > http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-devel/2008/8/22/3034484 > > "this is a common problem with projects.om.org - ssh+svn hangs .... > and the solutions bandied about have been "use google code or > sourceforge etc." > > Please, is it really true that projects.openmoko.org is unusable? > > > > -- > Javi Roman > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From liedekef at telenet.be Sun Oct 5 18:02:35 2008 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:02:35 +0200 Subject: QTextended 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <48E8B99D.5020402@gmail.com> References: <48E8AF07.9050303@nlpagan.net> <48E8B99D.5020402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081005180235.5c286dda@telenet.be> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:27:01 +0530 Vibhav Sharma wrote: > Paul wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I just flashed QTextended 4.4.1. on my FR (becoming adventurous), > > and it works quite well. > > > > Something I found: > > > > - pairing a Bluetooth device works well > > - switching OFF the Bluetooth device makes the FR hang > > > > After removing the battery and rebooting: > > > > - switching ON the Bluetooth device makes the FR hang > > > > In both occasions, a small timer-clock starts revolving and at "14 > > seconds" it stops and is determined to stay there. > > > > > Hi all, > > Not tried bluetooth, but been using QTextended since yesterday, and > here are my observations: > > 1. On incoming call, ringtone is played from ear-phone instead of > speaker-phone. Media player also plays back using ear-phone. > * by ear-phone I mean the speaker where you put your ear to to > listen to other party in voice call and speaker-phone is the speaker > on the side. > > 2. Power management can be a little erratic. I.e. I changed settings > so that phone does not suspend even on battery (worked). Changed it > to suspend again after 50s (did not work). Shutdown and restarted > phone (suspending properly again). > > 3. Executing 'apm' from terminal earlier used to give battery > status ... does not any longer. I'm assuming this is related to > battery icon showing empty. > > 4. Wifi configuration worked perfectly from gui. Except for empty > 'resolv.conf', I vaguely remember seeing somewhere that have to do > stuff to get that working. Will look into that. 'System Info' network > showed wrong gateway (IP assigned to device instead of gateway IP). > But configuration was correct according to 'ip route show' and it was > working ok. > > 5. Contact upload from vcf worked. For newbies: path is now > /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/... instead of /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/... if you are > using the instructions from > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts . Will update wiki > on this soon. > > 6. Phone UI freezes for some time (30s) sometimes (rarely). Not been > able to do any further analysis as to when / why / how. > > 7. Desperately need info on how mapping demo can be configured etc. > Need to cache maps. It seems you can't move around / zoom. > > @Lorn > any way we could provide you with debugging info / help that you > require to get this working perfectly. If you could guide us to some > links etc for the same. > Would be much appreciated. > > If anybody has observed these issues in their setup / worked around > them, pointers would be appreciated. Hi, I haven't had any issues with bluetooth or waking up from suspended for a call (haven't tried sms before). However, my issues are: - echo is back. With echo I mean when somebody else is calling you on your freerunner and they hear everything they say themselves. This in fact is so loud that the freerunner is unusable as a phone. Maybe that alsa controls can help here, but I don't seem to be able to find the alsa state files on qtextended. - alarm doesn't sound on time when the phone is suspended. The phone unsuspends right on time, but no alarm is played/shown (but it does after a while if you keep the phone unsuspended). Probably this has to do with the alarm already being overdue when the phone finishes unsuspending. Being somebody who doesn't own a separate alarm clock, this is a must-have function for me. For the empty battery icon: install the latest webster kernel found at http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels , this kernel fixes at least that and maybe even the bluetooth issues. Franky From nicola.mfb at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 18:02:57 2008 From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:02:57 +0200 Subject: How to build qt-extended? In-Reply-To: <359c5480810040046w7c18f49ayad2abc9b931caf15@mail.gmail.com> References: <359c5480810020621y1a92cbc8sc198253f6a44a481@mail.gmail.com> <48E55B2A.8080408@e4net.com> <359c5480810030055q42c31256n5188a8a45a6263ce@mail.gmail.com> <48E6714A.9000307@trolltech.com> <359c5480810040046w7c18f49ayad2abc9b931caf15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <359c5480810050902gf4226a4j882c6a314a2319c@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/4 Nicola Mfb > 2008/10/3 Lorn Potter > >> >> > I just downloaded the updated toolchains, but the problem persist: >> >> Looks like it configured in ssl to me: >> > > Yes!, but the problem is not here, qbuild does not anything! it simply > answer Nothing to be done for "default" > > Regards > Ok, it happens on gentoo systems! on ubuntu it goes well. Nicola -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081005/2edabec7/attachment-0002.htm From steve at openmoko.com Sun Oct 5 18:28:19 2008 From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 09:28:19 -0700 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <20081005220130.76a0f9ab@elara.dyn.totalueberwachung.de> References: <20081002134603.72ba260c.raster@rasterman.com> <48E47F58.3050006@openmoko.com> <20081002192720.1999899b.raster@rasterman.com> <48E4F8E6.9010908@openmoko.com> <20081003093428.75b1b5fb.raster@rasterman.com> <20081005220130.76a0f9ab@elara.dyn.totalueberwachung.de> Message-ID: <48E8EB23.4090803@openmoko.com> Raster, I don't think I was exactly clear on using the email database. What I was thinking is that you could run a simple program on your desktop computer and do a frequency analysis of the mails ( and contacts) that you have on your PC. Same with chat logs. Then merge that (somehow) into the database on the phone, say in the personal. Daniel Willmann wrote: > On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:34:28 +1000 > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > >> On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:37:58 -0700 Steve Mosher >> babbled: >> >>> I used to have a bunch of them when I was doing a NLG ( natural >>> Language generation) pet project. I sent you a link to US names as >>> well. from the US census. >>> For personal dictionaries, people could just run a simple word >>> frequency analysis on their archived email,( there are GPL >>> programs that do this I believe, but its dead easy to write >>> yourself) and import their email contacts into the database. >> in fact that is the idea of the "3" dictionaries the keyboard has. it >> has "system" (which is base language - eg english), personal (any >> words they type in at all go in here - they inherit frequency they >> had before but now gain in count as they get used more), and.. >> "generated" dictionary >> - ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/data.dic - this file is expected to be >> regularly generated from the users sms's, emails, contact list etc. >> containing words from their every-day activity - so that friend with >> a strange name... gets their name into the dictionary pool this >> way. :) > > Is there a way to tie into bash_completion when we are on a terminal? > That should be fun :-) > > Regards, > Daniel Willmann > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From ed at kapitein.org Sun Oct 5 19:09:24 2008 From: ed at kapitein.org (Ed Kapitein) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable In-Reply-To: <20081001081029.GA13065@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> <48E1FB64.7040606@meshy.org> <20080930123704.GB8347@rebelion.Sisis.de> <1222779134.1169.49.camel@rattus.localdomain> <20081001081029.GA13065@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <1223226564508-1299065.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Mathias, I even took it one step further. I can not get it to work properly on channel 11, so i set my accesspoint to channel 1. And i changed the script a little: Exec=xterm -e "ifconfig eth0 down ; iwconfig eth0 txpower off channel 0 ; while killall wpa_supplicant; do echo 'Killing wpa_sup'; done ; killall udhcpc ; wpa_supplicant -i eth0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -D wext -B; sleep 10; udhcpc" Now it is working every time. I am using 2008.latest (081004) and a linksys WAP54G accesspoint, running Firmware Version: 3.05. in mixed mode, broadcast enabled, encryption WPA-Personal, passphrase without a space charachter in it. ( i am no sure if any of this matters, but it gives the settings with which i have it working) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-2008.9--Wifi-very-unreliable-tp1128409p1299065.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From clemens at 1541.org Sun Oct 5 19:31:12 2008 From: clemens at 1541.org (Clemens Kirchgatterer) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:31:12 +0200 Subject: The Lost Openmoko Community In-Reply-To: <200810042046.36037.haduong@centre-cired.fr> References: <200810042046.36037.haduong@centre-cired.fr> Message-ID: <20081005193112.0f0fdf38.clemens@1541.org> Minh Ha Duong wrote: > On > the whole, it's just that they are understaffed and spread very thin: > how many people would a company need to totally rock from hardware > design to community management, including production, sales, kernel > development, middleware development, applications development, > interface, packaging and distribution ? indeed! i just read on /. that motorola is expanding its Android Developer Team from 50 to 350 people!!! everybody working in a small software development company knows what OM has already achieved. my respect to the people from OM! clemens From mailinglist at wellengang.ch Sun Oct 5 19:38:14 2008 From: mailinglist at wellengang.ch (Markus Huggler) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:38:14 +0200 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <9e7398030810050655k7d668b30n279d7f1987a74a30@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e7398030810050655k7d668b30n279d7f1987a74a30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081005193814.50d65530@wellengang.ch> Hi Richard Did you install frameworkd from fso repository and its dependencies? Worked for me. Markus On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:55:33 +0200 Richy wrote: > Hey, I'm trying to get FSO working beneath the Raster-Image. > I installed zhone. That drew in a lot of dependencies, which is fine. > However, I couldn't connect to DBUS, even though dbus is installed, but > frameworkd wasn't. (Why itsn't it a dependency of of zhone?) > Now, I don't have any sound in zhone. No ring tones, I can't hear anyone > talking. > > Rasters alarm is working though. > > what package am I missing here? > > Richard From opessach at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 19:41:45 2008 From: opessach at gmail.com (Ori Pessach) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:41:45 -0600 Subject: SIM contacts and QTExtended? Message-ID: Is anyone else not seeing any of the SIM contacts in QTExtended? This used to work with the previous release of QTopia. I get this when running with the mwester kernel. --Ori Pessach -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081005/a7f5d1dc/attachment.htm From paul at nlpagan.net Sun Oct 5 19:47:07 2008 From: paul at nlpagan.net (Paul) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:47:07 +0200 Subject: SIM contacts and QTExtended? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E8FD9B.2060406@nlpagan.net> Ori Pessach wrote: > Is anyone else not seeing any of the SIM contacts in QTExtended? No problem here, running uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin and qtextended-4.4.1-gta02-rootfs-release-10022309.jffs2. Paul -- The art of progress is to preserve order amid change, and to preserve change amid order. -Alfred North Whitehead http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 From opessach at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 19:59:20 2008 From: opessach at gmail.com (Ori Pessach) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:59:20 -0600 Subject: SIM contacts and QTExtended? In-Reply-To: <48E8FD9B.2060406@nlpagan.net> References: <48E8FD9B.2060406@nlpagan.net> Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Paul wrote: > Ori Pessach wrote: > > Is anyone else not seeing any of the SIM contacts in QTExtended? > > No problem here, running uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin and > qtextended-4.4.1-gta02-rootfs-release-10022309.jffs2. > > All right... Rebooting again made the contacts visible. Where's the best place to report bugs for the images from Troll/Nokia? --Ori Pessach -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081005/0f891933/attachment.htm From liedekef at telenet.be Sun Oct 5 20:04:28 2008 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 20:04:28 +0200 Subject: QTextended 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <20081005180235.5c286dda@telenet.be> References: <48E8AF07.9050303@nlpagan.net> <48E8B99D.5020402@gmail.com> <20081005180235.5c286dda@telenet.be> Message-ID: <20081005200428.50145e13@telenet.be> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:02:35 +0200 Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: hem, pointers would be appreciated. > > Hi, > > I haven't had any issues with bluetooth or waking up from suspended > for a call (haven't tried sms before). However, my issues are: > > - echo is back. With echo I mean when somebody else is calling you on > your freerunner and they hear everything they say themselves. This in > fact is so loud that the freerunner is unusable as a phone. Maybe that > alsa controls can help here, but I don't seem to be able to find the > alsa state files on qtextended. For those curious: I seem to have been able to fix the echo issue by setting the following in /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state "Mono Playback Volume" => 85 I lost the original state file, but I used this one as base: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-October/032337.html Now only the alarm clock issue remains (in my case). I will force myself to use the phone as regular phone for one day Franky From linkert at fastmail.fm Sun Oct 5 20:08:31 2008 From: linkert at fastmail.fm (Nicolas Linkert) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:08:31 +0200 Subject: QTextended 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <20081005180235.5c286dda@telenet.be> References: <48E8AF07.9050303@nlpagan.net> <48E8B99D.5020402@gmail.com> <20081005180235.5c286dda@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1223230111.14366.1277627969@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:02:35 +0200, "Franky Van Liedekerke" said: > Hi, > > I haven't had any issues with bluetooth or waking up from suspended for > a call (haven't tried sms before). However, my issues are: (...) Wait a minute: Does that mean your phone wakes up from incoming calls when in suspend mode??? I have the latest rootfs and the latest kernel installed and my phone does NOT wake up. Confused ... What did you do to make this work? Best regards, Nick From paul at nlpagan.net Sun Oct 5 20:14:14 2008 From: paul at nlpagan.net (Paul) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:14:14 +0200 Subject: QTextended 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <1223230111.14366.1277627969@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <48E8AF07.9050303@nlpagan.net> <48E8B99D.5020402@gmail.com> <20081005180235.5c286dda@telenet.be> <1223230111.14366.1277627969@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <48E903F6.4080704@nlpagan.net> > Wait a minute: Does that mean your phone wakes up from incoming calls > when in suspend mode??? > I have the latest rootfs and the latest kernel installed and my phone > does NOT wake up. > Confused ... What did you do to make this work? > I'd like to know too. I gave this a try today, and the FR remained bricklike in suspend. I set it to dim/screen off for that, in that state it will 'wake up' when a call comes in. Paul -- The art of progress is to preserve order amid change, and to preserve change amid order. -Alfred North Whitehead http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 From paul at nlpagan.net Sun Oct 5 20:15:36 2008 From: paul at nlpagan.net (Paul) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:15:36 +0200 Subject: SIM contacts and QTExtended? In-Reply-To: References: <48E8FD9B.2060406@nlpagan.net> Message-ID: <48E90448.3000708@nlpagan.net> > Where's the best place to report bugs for the images from Troll/Nokia? Try their forum: http://qtextended.org/modules/newbb_plus/ Paul -- The art of progress is to preserve order amid change, and to preserve change amid order. -Alfred North Whitehead http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 From lpotter at trolltech.com Sun Oct 5 20:30:54 2008 From: lpotter at trolltech.com (lpotter) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 04:30:54 +1000 Subject: SIM contacts and QTExtended? References: <48E8FD9B.2060406@nlpagan.net> Message-ID: Ori Pessach writes: > ? HTML content follows ? > > > > > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Paul > <paul at nlpagan.net> wrote: > > > Ori Pessach wrote: > > Is anyone else not seeing any of the SIM contacts in QTExtended? > > No problem here, running uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin and > qtextended-4.4.1-gta02-rootfs-release-10022309.jffs2. > > > > All right... Rebooting again made the contacts visible. > > Where's the best place to report bugs for the images from Troll/Nokia? Probably at http://trolltech.com/bugreport-form This goes directly to our support, who forward it on to anengineer. From liedekef at telenet.be Sun Oct 5 20:56:04 2008 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 20:56:04 +0200 Subject: QTextended 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <1223230111.14366.1277627969@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <48E8AF07.9050303@nlpagan.net> <48E8B99D.5020402@gmail.com> <20081005180235.5c286dda@telenet.be> <1223230111.14366.1277627969@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20081005205604.54ce6cb7@telenet.be> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:08:31 +0200 "Nicolas Linkert" wrote: > > On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:02:35 +0200, "Franky Van Liedekerke" > said: > > > Hi, > > > > I haven't had any issues with bluetooth or waking up from suspended > > for a call (haven't tried sms before). However, my issues are: > (...) > > Wait a minute: Does that mean your phone wakes up from incoming calls > when in suspend mode??? > I have the latest rootfs and the latest kernel installed and my phone > does NOT wake up. > Confused ... What did you do to make this work? bow before your freerunner, pay it respect as you would do to a Greek God and let it suspend ... No seriously, I didn't do anything. I just tried it again: let it suspend (albeit only for a few seconds), call et voila: phone back to life. Franky From paul at nlpagan.net Sun Oct 5 21:02:12 2008 From: paul at nlpagan.net (Paul) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:02:12 +0200 Subject: QTextended 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <20081005205604.54ce6cb7@telenet.be> References: <48E8AF07.9050303@nlpagan.net> <48E8B99D.5020402@gmail.com> <20081005180235.5c286dda@telenet.be> <1223230111.14366.1277627969@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20081005205604.54ce6cb7@telenet.be> Message-ID: <48E90F34.1010303@nlpagan.net> > bow before your freerunner, pay it respect as you would do to a Greek > God and let it suspend ... > Hmm. So no garlic, no dancing on your left foot or magic spells??? > No seriously, I didn't do anything. I just tried it again: let it > suspend (albeit only for a few seconds), call et voila: phone back to > life. > I'll try it again tomorrow. You never know. ;-) Paul -- The art of progress is to preserve order amid change, and to preserve change amid order. -Alfred North Whitehead http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 From javiroman at kernel-labs.org Sun Oct 5 21:03:41 2008 From: javiroman at kernel-labs.org (Javi Roman) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:03:41 +0200 Subject: discouraged: projects.openmoko.org unmaintained? In-Reply-To: <725bc0ca0810050917x78b2d3f7kcc6ff5c7c5377ec3@mail.gmail.com> References: <12c2e32e0810050444w2c80a795v8bdd8de1cb26961c@mail.gmail.com> <725bc0ca0810050917x78b2d3f7kcc6ff5c7c5377ec3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12c2e32e0810051203y1d8c70bckceb75162e9d0c35e@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Martin ?enke??k wrote: > I am using projects without any problems. Yes I use svn, I use news, I > use releases, forum... Everything works. When posting public key, you > have to wait a little bit, as it is maintained by cron script. > > If it still doesn't work, check if you entered correct key. At first I > have some trouble with it, but now it's ok. > > Give it one more try ;-) > > Martin > > I am not sure if my problem is related to projects.om.org cron actions. I'm successfully authenticated (i guess), nevertheless my login session hangs after greetings of openmoko.org Debian shell system: ....... debug1: read PEM private key done: type RSA debug1: Authentication succeeded (publickey). debug1: channel 0: new [client-session] debug1: Entering interactive session. debug1: Sending environment. debug1: Sending env LANG = en_US.UTF-8 Linux projects.openmoko.org 2.6.18-028test015.1+31-ovz-smp #1 SMP Tue Feb 6 20:33:47 CET 2007 i686 The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software; the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright. Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law. ......... The shell never is raised at this point, the login session is hanged. -- Javi Roman From liedekef at telenet.be Sun Oct 5 21:05:36 2008 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:05:36 +0200 Subject: QTextended 4.4.1, alarms and unsuspending In-Reply-To: <20081005200428.50145e13@telenet.be> References: <48E8AF07.9050303@nlpagan.net> <48E8B99D.5020402@gmail.com> <20081005180235.5c286dda@telenet.be> <20081005200428.50145e13@telenet.be> Message-ID: <20081005210536.299a2432@telenet.be> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 20:04:28 +0200 Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > For those curious: I seem to have been able to fix the echo issue by > setting the following > in /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state "Mono Playback > Volume" => 85 I lost the original state file, but I used this one as > base: > http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-October/032337.html > > Now only the alarm clock issue remains (in my case). I will force > myself to use the phone as regular phone for one day For the alarm, I just did some testing: it seems atd behaves as it should, and since the phone unsuspends on time, I decided to play around a bit. So I created a shell script: ---------------------- #!/bin/sh # unsuspend echo "0" >/sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/flowcontrolled # let unsuspend sink in a bit sleep 15 # now play a sound export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/lib/ /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/bin/mediaplayer /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/sounds/alarm.wav & # sleep 5 secs and play it again sleep 5 /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/bin/mediaplayer /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/sounds/alarm.wav & # remove it from spool dir, so it won't launch again rm $0 -------------------- Then I copied this script to /var/spool/at, renamed it to the time I want it to start (perl is your friend here to convert time to epoch seconds) and triggered at (echo >>/var/spool/at/trigger). Now I let my phone suspend, and on the time I want it, the phone unsuspends, waits exactly 15 secs (scripted) and then plays the wav files as intended. So this leads me to believe that the method used in the alarm clock is either broken or not adjusted to work with later qtopia versions. Franky From fredrik at wendt.se Sun Oct 5 21:05:55 2008 From: fredrik at wendt.se (Fredrik Wendt) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:05:55 +0200 Subject: Building FSO Wiki page In-Reply-To: <48E8983A.1000806@whitby.id.au> References: <48C1538D.7060105@gmail.com> <48C158DD.4030707@internode.on.net> <48E7EDEB.3020802@whitby.id.au> <48E8983A.1000806@whitby.id.au> Message-ID: <1223233555.20000.5.camel@t61-laptopt> s?n 2008-10-05 klockan 21:04 +1030 skrev Rod Whitby: > Previdi Roberto wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Rod Whitby > > wrote: > > > > > 2) if i issue a make update openembedded complains that it don't know > > > where to update from... > > the Makefile was updated to match this. Did you run "make > > update-makefile" and try again? > > > > i tried but the makefile just doesn't have the update-makefile target.. > > Apologies for that - the FSO makefile updates itself automatically as > part of the normal "make update" target. So if you'd done that you > should have got the new makefile. Is this why http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/ doesn't produce daily builds any more? (guess it's not) / Fredrik -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So no garlic, no dancing on your left foot or magic spells??? uh no, that is for druids and ancient gods of nature. The Greeks were always more modern :-) > > No seriously, I didn't do anything. I just tried it again: let it > > suspend (albeit only for a few seconds), call et voila: phone back > > to life. > > > I'll try it again tomorrow. You never know. ;-) > Paul > Franky From linkert at fastmail.fm Sun Oct 5 21:23:56 2008 From: linkert at fastmail.fm (Nicolas Linkert) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:23:56 +0200 Subject: Fwd: Re: QTextended 4.4.1 Message-ID: <1223234636.27128.1277635641@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:09:23 +0200, "Franky Van Liedekerke" said: > On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:01:22 +0200 > "Nicolas Linkert" wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 20:56:04 +0200, "Franky Van Liedekerke" > > said: > > > On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:08:31 +0200 > > > "Nicolas Linkert" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:02:35 +0200, "Franky Van Liedekerke" > > > > said: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I haven't had any issues with bluetooth or waking up from > > > > > suspended for a call (haven't tried sms before). However, my > > > > > issues are: > > > > (...) > > > > > > > > Wait a minute: Does that mean your phone wakes up from incoming > > > > calls when in suspend mode??? > > > > I have the latest rootfs and the latest kernel installed and my > > > > phone does NOT wake up. > > > > Confused ... What did you do to make this work? > > > > > > bow before your freerunner, pay it respect as you would do to a > > > Greek God and let it suspend ... > > > > > > No seriously, I didn't do anything. I just tried it again: let it > > > suspend (albeit only for a few seconds), call et voila: phone back > > > to life. > > > > Very strange ... > > I have used this > > - qtextended-4.4.1-gta02-rootfs-release-10022309.jffs2 > > - uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin > > > > and the FR does indeed NOT wake up from incoming calls. I've tried > > this several times but no luck. > > > > BTW: Is there any other distribution where this works reliably? > > > > Best regards, > > Nick > > > > I've heard before that people were having issues with this, but me > personally never experienced this ... I'm using the same versions as > you do (uimage and rootfs), so I'm not exactly sure why this is > happening ... maybe it is provider related, or sim card ... beats me ... Well, what I am interested in: Is this something that should work? Or is it something that normally does not work and you are only lucky that it works in your case? And: Is there any other distribution - 2008.9, Debian, FSO etc. - where this works _reliably_? I have searched the archives but it's entirely unclear to me whether this is an issue or not. Best regards, Nick From andy at openmoko.com Sun Oct 5 21:23:28 2008 From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:23:28 +0100 Subject: Freerunner loading in USB host mode? In-Reply-To: <308579740810040702w6809c89do239bea5490338afa@mail.gmail.com> References: <308579740810040702w6809c89do239bea5490338afa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E91430.4050904@openmoko.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Hi there, | I am thinking about trying switch the FR (running Debian) to USB host | mode, put in a USB hub and connect a external USB Disk, a keyboard, a | mouse and the USB charger that comes with the FR. Would that work, | that is, can the FR be charged while being in host mode so the battery | doesn't get drained at once by the external drive? You can do it, but you need to be in logical host mode ~ - echo host > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode but NOT electrically in host mode ~ - echo 0 > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode The reason is that part of the deal of being electrically in host mode disconnects the USB socket V+ from the PMU, that alone will defeat the possibility of charging no matter what else you do. Another side effect of not being electrically in host mode is you need to externally add 2 x 15K pulldown resistors, one on D+ and the other on D-, with that you should be able to have the external power, charging, and USB devices all at the same time. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjpFCgACgkQOjLpvpq7dMp8UwCZAVTxn5Urd5iKJESzDFA/qJtA GboAnjB9Ob9BgBAVXiFuSPDyple4Jar6 =uTVf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From robin.paulson at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 21:53:48 2008 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:53:48 +1300 Subject: Looking for Free time zone map data In-Reply-To: <1223211426.6097.59.camel@polaris> References: <1223211426.6097.59.camel@polaris> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770810051253g361317d4g4a56c12afe089842@mail.gmail.com> 2008/10/6 Jan L?bbe : > We were thinking about how to handle timezones in the FSO framework and > decided we would like to be able to detect the time zone automatically > based on the current location. I've search for a database with the > necessary information, but i only found a commercial provider which > doesn't allow redistribution. > > Does anyone have an idea how we could solve this problem? sounds like information that could be managed in the openstreetmap database. it is after all geodata, and osm is pretty relaxed as to what info is added if you added a key to the wiki through the usual discussion/voting progress and talked it up on the osm-talk mailing list, i bet you could have it populated very quickly, and it would be a very non-restrictive license how many discrete time zones are there after all? can't be more than 100? i understand william's reticence, but so long as the data is kept up to date and/or there's a way to override it, there should be no problems - nz dst has changed again recently and the some older phones have had some problems, so i know where he's coming from From malane at purdue.edu Sun Oct 5 22:11:23 2008 From: malane at purdue.edu (Matthew Lane) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:11:23 -0400 Subject: [u-boot] Unable to boot issue (debian?) Message-ID: <48E91F6B.6040402@purdue.edu> I have placed the latest gta02v5 and up u-boot into my NAND boot section, and when I try to boot I only get a "Boot" option and it fails to boot (something about mtdparts variable not set). My NOR can boot into my newly flashed FDOM image, but whenever I flash the gta02v5 and up u-boot I get the same results. I've even zero filled my NAND u-boot section and tried to reflash a new u-boot. This issue first occured when I was trying to configure my NAND u-boot to boot debian from an SD card. Can anyone help? From freerunner at newkirk.us Sun Oct 5 22:31:15 2008 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 16:31:15 -0400 Subject: u-splash Message-ID: <76eb4663da9bc24e6424db218de61f36@localhost> I've got a question on splash screen changes. I've got a new splash screen that I want to flash onto my FreeRunner. I follow all the directions i can find at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Configuring_the_boot_splash_screens and http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/splash/README and http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/werner/splash/. Since my new splash image is roughly 0xfff0 in size, greater than 0x5000, it seems I need to change env settings within uboot. (on reboot I only see the top half or so of the image) So I download and compile neocon, connect to my FR, and issue the commands: setenv splashimage nand read.e 0x32000000 splash 0xfff0\; unzip 0x32000000 0x8800000 0x96000 saveenv which it accepts. Then I power down and back up, and I can still only see the top portion of my splash image - clearly it's either not saving or not loading past a certain number of bytes. By playing around in Gimp I'm able to, for example, save the image as 32-color indexed, and as a result see about 60% of the image during initial boot, instead of the roughly 45% I can see when saved as the 128-color indexed specified in the wiki. Is there a limit somewhere that I missed regarding splash image flash size? Or have I got something wrong in the setenv? I took what was listed on the wiki page and altered it as described, changing 0x5000 to 0xfff0 to encompass the size of my splash.gz and substituting 0x8800000 as the proper address for FreeRunner. j From shishz at alum.rpi.edu Sun Oct 5 22:48:00 2008 From: shishz at alum.rpi.edu (zing) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 20:48:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: led blinking during suspend? Message-ID: In the LED software specification: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner/Buttons_and_LEDs one wouldn't be able to tell if the phone is OFF or in SUSPEND mode. All LEDs are specified off in both modes. I think it would be useful to be able to differentiate between the two, but perhaps, it is technically impossible to do LED brightness while in suspend? Anybody know? From freerunner at newkirk.us Sun Oct 5 22:48:43 2008 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 16:48:43 -0400 Subject: Looking for Free time zone map data In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770810051253g361317d4g4a56c12afe089842@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770810051253g361317d4g4a56c12afe089842@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <03bb376f6f28b423d6e0f8cc48feac43@localhost> On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:53:48 +1300, "Robin Paulson" wrote: > 2008/10/6 Jan L?bbe : >> We were thinking about how to handle timezones in the FSO framework and >> decided we would like to be able to detect the time zone automatically >> based on the current location. I've search for a database with the >> necessary information, but i only found a commercial provider which >> doesn't allow redistribution. >> >> Does anyone have an idea how we could solve this problem? > > sounds like information that could be managed in the openstreetmap > database. it is after all geodata, and osm is pretty relaxed as to > what info is added > > if you added a key to the wiki through the usual discussion/voting > progress and talked it up on the osm-talk mailing list, i bet you > could have it populated very quickly, and it would be a very > non-restrictive license > > how many discrete time zones are there after all? can't be more than 100? > > i understand william's reticence, but so long as the data is kept up > to date and/or there's a way to override it, there should be no > problems - nz dst has changed again recently and the some older phones > have had some problems, so i know where he's coming from This will benefit from some global configurability at some point. Specifically, controlling whether things 'happen' in GMT vs 'home' timezone vs 'local' timezone (local to appointment or local to the FR's current geospatial position) should be possible to set as a global option, then override for example for specific appointments, etc. As well as telling the FR whether it should auto-adjust to local timezone, display a second clock, whatever. Anyone who's ever tried to coordinate meetings with people on the other side of the planet, let alone done so while themselves hopping from one timezone to another, likely understands the need for great flexibility here. If I live in US eastern timezone, have an 'appointment' set for a phone conference to Berlin at 11am Berlin time, and the night before the appointment I travel to US pacific timezone, it should "just work" and alert me at the appropriate time, IN BERLIN, regardless of what timezone I'm presently in, and regardless of whether I've opted for my clock to display 'home' timezone when I'm traveling instead of 'local' timezone of my destination. The trick of course, as with all such things, is to achieve this without undue complexity for the user. j From m.camenzind at live.com Sun Oct 5 23:27:52 2008 From: m.camenzind at live.com (Matthias Camenzind) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:27:52 +0000 Subject: Volume Message-ID: I found out a way to get better volume settings. cp /usr/share/openmoko/gsmhandset.state /home/root/ modify entry 'Mic2 Capture Volume' value to 3 and 'Speaker Playback Volume' value to 95 (in state file in /home/root/ create a script like this: #!/bin/bash cp /home/root/*.state /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ this should work, same way you can edit other state files. to autorun the script i added it in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh _________________________________________________________________ Werden Sie Mitglied der neuen Windows Live Messenger Familie! http://get.live.com From m.camenzind at live.com Sun Oct 5 23:27:52 2008 From: m.camenzind at live.com (Matthias Camenzind) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:27:52 +0000 Subject: Volume Message-ID: I found out a way to get better volume settings. cp /usr/share/openmoko/gsmhandset.state /home/root/ modify entry 'Mic2 Capture Volume' value to 3 and 'Speaker Playback Volume' value to 95 (in state file in /home/root/ create a script like this: #!/bin/bash cp /home/root/*.state /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ this should work, same way you can edit other state files. to autorun the script i added it in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh _________________________________________________________________ Werden Sie Mitglied der neuen Windows Live Messenger Familie! http://get.live.com From freerunner at newkirk.us Sun Oct 5 23:53:48 2008 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 17:53:48 -0400 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <20081005193814.50d65530@wellengang.ch> References: <20081005193814.50d65530@wellengang.ch> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:38:14 +0200, Markus Huggler wrote: > Hi Richard > > Did you install frameworkd from fso repository and its dependencies? > Worked for me. > > Markus > > On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:55:33 +0200 > Richy wrote: > >> Hey, I'm trying to get FSO working beneath the Raster-Image. >> I installed zhone. That drew in a lot of dependencies, which is fine. >> However, I couldn't connect to DBUS, even though dbus is installed, but >> frameworkd wasn't. (Why itsn't it a dependency of of zhone?) >> Now, I don't have any sound in zhone. No ring tones, I can't hear anyone >> talking. >> >> Rasters alarm is working though. >> >> what package am I missing here? >> >> Richard I'm in a similar place. Starting with Raster's new image (pretty and lightweight, BTW) I added zhone and frameworkd, but I have no sound within zhone, no audio either direction in calls. Is there some other package required that handles the audio states, or what? j From liedekef at telenet.be Sun Oct 5 23:59:30 2008 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 23:59:30 +0200 Subject: Volume In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081005235930.37cb9c8d@telenet.be> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:27:52 +0000 Matthias Camenzind wrote: > > I found out a way to get better volume settings. > cp /usr/share/openmoko/gsmhandset.state /home/root/ > modify entry 'Mic2 Capture Volume' value to 3 and 'Speaker Playback > Volume' value to 95 (in state file in /home/root/ create a script > like this: #!/bin/bash > cp /home/root/*.state /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ > > this should work, same way you can edit other state files. > to autorun the script i added it in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh why not copy them just once (or edit the files in place)? A script that does the copy every time on a reboot seems not needed according to me. Franky From wessel at nefkom.net Mon Oct 6 00:00:48 2008 From: wessel at nefkom.net (Sascha Wessel) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 00:00:48 +0200 Subject: Looking for Free time zone map data In-Reply-To: <1223211426.6097.59.camel@polaris> References: <1223211426.6097.59.camel@polaris> Message-ID: <20081005220048.GA16576@server> Hi! On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 02:57:06PM +0200, Jan L?bbe wrote: > We were thinking about how to handle timezones in the FSO framework and > decided we would like to be able to detect the time zone automatically > based on the current location. I've search for a database with the > necessary information, but i only found a commercial provider which > doesn't allow redistribution. > > Does anyone have an idea how we could solve this problem? Not really what you are looking for, but maybe interesting anyway... * zone.tab file in the tzdata package: /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab [1] * The World Factbook: Standard Time Zones of the World [2] Greetings, Sascha [1] ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/tzdata2008f.tar.gz [2] https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/reference_maps/pdf/time_zones.pdf From m.camenzind at live.com Mon Oct 6 00:06:29 2008 From: m.camenzind at live.com (Matthias Camenzind) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:06:29 +0000 Subject: Volume In-Reply-To: <20081005235930.37cb9c8d@telenet.be> References: <20081005235930.37cb9c8d@telenet.be> Message-ID: On my FR the settings get restored after restart. Same with the /etc/resolv.conf ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 23:59:30 +0200 > From: liedekef at telenet.be > To: community at lists.openmoko.org > Subject: Re: Volume > > On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:27:52 +0000 > Matthias Camenzind wrote: > >> >> I found out a way to get better volume settings. >> cp /usr/share/openmoko/gsmhandset.state /home/root/ >> modify entry 'Mic2 Capture Volume' value to 3 and 'Speaker Playback >> Volume' value to 95 (in state file in /home/root/ create a script >> like this: #!/bin/bash >> cp /home/root/*.state /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ >> >> this should work, same way you can edit other state files. >> to autorun the script i added it in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh > > why not copy them just once (or edit the files in place)? A script that > does the copy every time on a reboot seems not needed according to me. > > Franky > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _________________________________________________________________ Werden Sie Mitglied der neuen Windows Live Messenger Familie! http://get.live.com From klemmster at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 00:10:20 2008 From: klemmster at gmail.com (Richy) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 00:10:20 +0200 Subject: led blinking during suspend? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9e7398030810051510w14e5b38dy6ea623c9072927e0@mail.gmail.com> Sorry for not answering your questions, just making suggestions instead. I would find it rather cool if the red LED would blink on missed calls and the blue one on missed messages. There is no need to make a difference between a turned off NEO and a suspended one, because once power management is mature enough you won't actually power it off anyways. (Except if you _want_ to miss calls, but you could always put it into silent mode than..) Just my thoughts.. and everyone thinks different ;) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081006/d4135413/attachment.htm From m.camenzind at live.com Mon Oct 6 00:13:23 2008 From: m.camenzind at live.com (Matthias Camenzind) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:13:23 +0000 Subject: Volume In-Reply-To: References: <20081005235930.37cb9c8d@telenet.be> Message-ID: its only the resolv.conf wich is after booting empty. I thought it's the same with the state files but isn't. Thank you. > On my FR the settings get restored after restart. Same with the /etc/resolv.conf > ---------------------------------------- >> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 23:59:30 +0200 >> From: liedekef at telenet.be >> To: community at lists.openmoko.org >> Subject: Re: Volume >> >> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:27:52 +0000 >> Matthias Camenzind wrote: >> >>> >>> I found out a way to get better volume settings. >>> cp /usr/share/openmoko/gsmhandset.state /home/root/ >>> modify entry 'Mic2 Capture Volume' value to 3 and 'Speaker Playback >>> Volume' value to 95 (in state file in /home/root/ create a script >>> like this: #!/bin/bash >>> cp /home/root/*.state /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ >>> >>> this should work, same way you can edit other state files. >>> to autorun the script i added it in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh >> >> why not copy them just once (or edit the files in place)? A script that >> does the copy every time on a reboot seems not needed according to me. >> >> Franky >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > _________________________________________________________________ > Werden Sie Mitglied der neuen Windows Live Messenger Familie! > http://get.live.com > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _________________________________________________________________ Werden Sie Mitglied der neuen Windows Live Messenger Familie! http://get.live.com From raster at rasterman.com Mon Oct 6 00:11:38 2008 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:11:38 +1100 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <48E8EB23.4090803@openmoko.com> References: <20081002134603.72ba260c.raster@rasterman.com> <48E47F58.3050006@openmoko.com> <20081002192720.1999899b.raster@rasterman.com> <48E4F8E6.9010908@openmoko.com> <20081003093428.75b1b5fb.raster@rasterman.com> <20081005220130.76a0f9ab@elara.dyn.totalueberwachung.de> <48E8EB23.4090803@openmoko.com> Message-ID: <20081006091138.415f8dc5.raster@rasterman.com> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 09:28:19 -0700 Steve Mosher babbled: > Raster, > > I don't think I was exactly clear on using the email database. > What I was thinking is that you could run a simple program on > your desktop computer and do a frequency analysis of the mails > ( and contacts) that you have on your PC. Same with chat logs. > Then merge that (somehow) into the database on the phone, > say in the personal. i know - i don't think that's a great idea. it'd be full of typos! :) if it's going to pollute the dictionary with typos... they should be the user's own! :) btw - i added the first/last names in and man did completion quality go down. too many names. a lot of them can be strange and look nonsensical when you actually use the dict with it all in - it suggests lots of garbage (so now suggestion lists are huge and most of them are entire junk as they are some bizarre name). > Daniel Willmann wrote: > > On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:34:28 +1000 > > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:37:58 -0700 Steve Mosher > >> babbled: > >> > >>> I used to have a bunch of them when I was doing a NLG ( natural > >>> Language generation) pet project. I sent you a link to US names as > >>> well. from the US census. > >>> For personal dictionaries, people could just run a simple word > >>> frequency analysis on their archived email,( there are GPL > >>> programs that do this I believe, but its dead easy to write > >>> yourself) and import their email contacts into the database. > >> in fact that is the idea of the "3" dictionaries the keyboard has. it > >> has "system" (which is base language - eg english), personal (any > >> words they type in at all go in here - they inherit frequency they > >> had before but now gain in count as they get used more), and.. > >> "generated" dictionary > >> - ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/data.dic - this file is expected to be > >> regularly generated from the users sms's, emails, contact list etc. > >> containing words from their every-day activity - so that friend with > >> a strange name... gets their name into the dictionary pool this > >> way. :) > > > > Is there a way to tie into bash_completion when we are on a terminal? > > That should be fun :-) > > > > Regards, > > Daniel Willmann > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From raster at rasterman.com Mon Oct 6 00:19:07 2008 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:19:07 +1100 Subject: discouraged: projects.openmoko.org unmaintained? In-Reply-To: <725bc0ca0810050917x78b2d3f7kcc6ff5c7c5377ec3@mail.gmail.com> References: <12c2e32e0810050444w2c80a795v8bdd8de1cb26961c@mail.gmail.com> <725bc0ca0810050917x78b2d3f7kcc6ff5c7c5377ec3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081006091907.9b6cf2bc.raster@rasterman.com> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:17:07 +0200 "Martin ?enke??k" babbled: > I am using projects without any problems. Yes I use svn, I use news, I > use releases, forum... Everything works. When posting public key, you > have to wait a little bit, as it is maintained by cron script. > > If it still doesn't work, check if you entered correct key. At first I > have some trouble with it, but now it's ok. > > Give it one more try ;-) this is a problem that happens often enough - projects.om needs a a reboot i think (i think that was the fix of last resort last time), but this has happened every now and again and will keep happening as i understand its some issue with pam sometimes and ssh and maybe mysql or something - not sure, but the result is that for hours or days you'll be stuck unless you file a trac ticket with om's admin team - and then they need to get around to it. as such i moved illume off projects.om myself after yet another incident of this (which basically meant for hours i was stuck not being able to work as i couldn't build an update to test as OE feeds off public svn and i couldn't commit my changes and up the svnrev to rebuild and test on the device). but i have the luxury of having a rather hefty and well maintained svn server on enlightenment.org to use - which i also have admin access too (which to date has been up continually 24/7 without hassles). it also made sense that illume can track efl and e much better being in the same spot and building with the same srcrev thus staying in sync. but that's me :) > Martin > > > On 10/5/08, Javi Roman wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I have just created a project in projects.openmoko.org. I solved the > > "Permission denied (publickey)" message, with the public key solution, > > nevertheless I am unable to log into my ssh account, and unable to > > checkout my project. I have looked for solutions in google and I have > > run into this thread: > > > > http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-devel/2008/8/22/3034484 > > > > "this is a common problem with projects.om.org - ssh+svn hangs .... > > and the solutions bandied about have been "use google code or > > sourceforge etc." > > > > Please, is it really true that projects.openmoko.org is unusable? > > > > > > > > -- > > Javi Roman > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From rod at whitby.id.au Mon Oct 6 00:33:15 2008 From: rod at whitby.id.au (Rod Whitby) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:03:15 +1030 Subject: Building FSO Wiki page In-Reply-To: <1223233555.20000.5.camel@t61-laptopt> References: <48C1538D.7060105@gmail.com> <48C158DD.4030707@internode.on.net> <48E7EDEB.3020802@whitby.id.au> <48E8983A.1000806@whitby.id.au> <1223233555.20000.5.camel@t61-laptopt> Message-ID: <48E940AB.1060206@whitby.id.au> Fredrik Wendt wrote: > Is this why http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/ > doesn't produce daily builds any more? (guess it's not) No, that's due to OE having a "flag day" TMPDIR ABI change requiring everything to be rebuilt from scratch on the autobuilder. I froze the feeds while this is happening so people don't get a half-baked result. As soon as building is successful again, I will unfreeze them. At the moment, fso-testing-image and fso-unstable-image pass but fso-testing-packages and fso-unstable-packages fail on liburi-perl. -- Rod From d.r.newman at qub.ac.uk Mon Oct 6 01:01:15 2008 From: d.r.newman at qub.ac.uk (D. R. Newman) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:01:15 +0100 Subject: Looking for Free time zone map data In-Reply-To: <1223216199.6097.66.camel@polaris> References: <1223211426.6097.59.camel@polaris> <1223212506.8112.182.camel@rattus.localdomain> <1223216199.6097.66.camel@polaris> Message-ID: <48E9473B.6010603@qub.ac.uk> Jan Luebbe wrote: > On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 21:15 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: >> In Australia we change DST on a per state basis - we are 3 weeks behind >> in this to Eastern states, and guess where the carriers are based, and >> what happened on many/most mobiles here last night ... > > The way it should work is based on the geographical location. The > location then needs to be mapped to tzdata entry (which should contain > all relevant DST information). One problem is when you are near a border, and the 'phone switches to a cell on the other side of the border, in the other time zone. From klemmster at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 01:11:39 2008 From: klemmster at gmail.com (Richy) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 01:11:39 +0200 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: References: <20081005193814.50d65530@wellengang.ch> Message-ID: <9e7398030810051611h484ec546jbaeba9cf8143b03@mail.gmail.com> I somehow managed to get it to work to some extend. The phone isn' ringin, just vibrating, but I can talk and hear during a call.. make sure you have gstreamer installed, also I added a lot of packages, with alsa, gst, openmoko-state, etc. Didn't work until reboot. (And due to the Neos booting-time I don't want to reboot after each package just to check...) Now, some PIM-software and this is near perfect :-) On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Joel Newkirk wrote: > On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:38:14 +0200, Markus Huggler > wrote: > > Hi Richard > > > > Did you install frameworkd from fso repository and its dependencies? > > Worked for me. > > > > Markus > > > > On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:55:33 +0200 > > Richy wrote: > > > >> Hey, I'm trying to get FSO working beneath the Raster-Image. > >> I installed zhone. That drew in a lot of dependencies, which is fine. > >> However, I couldn't connect to DBUS, even though dbus is installed, but > >> frameworkd wasn't. (Why itsn't it a dependency of of zhone?) > >> Now, I don't have any sound in zhone. No ring tones, I can't hear anyone > >> talking. > >> > >> Rasters alarm is working though. > >> > >> what package am I missing here? > >> > >> Richard > > I'm in a similar place. Starting with Raster's new image (pretty and > lightweight, BTW) I added zhone and frameworkd, but I have no sound within > zhone, no audio either direction in calls. > > Is there some other package required that handles the audio states, or > what? > > j > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081006/a44b02c0/attachment.htm From steve at openmoko.com Mon Oct 6 01:22:34 2008 From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:22:34 -0700 Subject: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable In-Reply-To: <1223226564508-1299065.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <20080930090628.GA2483@rebelion.Sisis.de> <48E1FB64.7040606@meshy.org> <20080930123704.GB8347@rebelion.Sisis.de> <1222779134.1169.49.camel@rattus.localdomain> <20081001081029.GA13065@rebelion.Sisis.de> <1223226564508-1299065.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <48E94C3A.90002@openmoko.com> Thanks, Maybe you could work with micheal to put this on the wiki. Ed Kapitein wrote: > Hi Mathias, > > I even took it one step further. > I can not get it to work properly on channel 11, so i set my accesspoint to > channel 1. > And i changed the script a little: > Exec=xterm -e "ifconfig eth0 down ; iwconfig eth0 txpower off channel 0 ; > while killall wpa_supplicant; do echo 'Killing wpa_sup'; done ; killall > udhcpc ; wpa_supplicant -i eth0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf > -D wext -B; sleep 10; udhcpc" > > Now it is working every time. > I am using 2008.latest (081004) and a linksys WAP54G accesspoint, running > Firmware Version: 3.05. > in mixed mode, broadcast enabled, encryption WPA-Personal, passphrase > without a space charachter in it. > ( i am no sure if any of this matters, but it gives the settings with which > i have it working) > > From raster at rasterman.com Mon Oct 6 01:39:37 2008 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:39:37 +1100 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <9e7398030810051611h484ec546jbaeba9cf8143b03@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081005193814.50d65530@wellengang.ch> <9e7398030810051611h484ec546jbaeba9cf8143b03@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081006103937.4a05770b.raster@rasterman.com> On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 01:11:39 +0200 Richy babbled: > I somehow managed to get it to work to some extend. > The phone isn' ringin, just vibrating, but I can talk and hear during a > call.. > > make sure you have gstreamer installed, > also I added a lot of packages, with alsa, gst, openmoko-state, etc. > Didn't work until reboot. (And due to the Neos booting-time I don't want to > reboot after each package just to check...) > > Now, some PIM-software and this is near perfect :-) coo. btw - i will eventually one by one suck in frameworkd and other apps - but i want to be very "high quality" about this - only include in the base what absolutely works or works well - or what i'm directly developing at the time (as i then have direct ability time etc. to make it work well). for now it's just a start. needs much more polish. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From andy at openmoko.com Mon Oct 6 01:47:03 2008 From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:47:03 +0100 Subject: led blinking during suspend? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E951F7.5010601@openmoko.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | In the LED software specification: | | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner/Buttons_and_LEDs | | one wouldn't be able to tell if the phone is OFF or in SUSPEND mode. All | LEDs are specified off in both modes. I think it would be useful to be | able to differentiate between the two, but perhaps, it is technically | impossible to do LED brightness while in suspend? Anybody know? It's possible to leave a GTA02 LED lit during suspend, but without waking-suspending each time, from PMU RTC interrupt for example, not to have it "blink". It sounds a pretty hairy thing to attempt and it will halve suspend life at least to have an LED lit during it. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjpUfcACgkQOjLpvpq7dMoriwCfa4ZifUM3T0Ojj/nBDcGkCwvh +wYAoIoeBRay07lGYLPhp6LpS9hPQXDx =0BMe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mail at 3v1n0.net Mon Oct 6 02:01:39 2008 From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:01:39 +0200 Subject: GSM Firmware crash In-Reply-To: References: <48CD2954.9060204@gmx.net> Message-ID: >> Yesterday I experienced a crash of the GSM firmware - my Freerunner >> started to vibrate and there was a message on-screen that stated that >> the GSM Firmware had crashed and that I would be unable to use phone >> functionality. Is this a known bug? > > I got this once, or twice but I wasn't ever able to fix this without > rebooting the phone (also when connected to it via ssh). > Any tip? I reply to myself, today I've got it again... I was in my car so I had to do it via xterm but it works. If you get a modem crash simply do this to get back the phone functionality: echo 0 > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on killall qpe restart qtopia -- Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ From steve at openmoko.com Mon Oct 6 03:13:57 2008 From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:13:57 -0700 Subject: New Rasterman Image... In-Reply-To: <20081006091138.415f8dc5.raster@rasterman.com> References: <20081002134603.72ba260c.raster@rasterman.com> <48E47F58.3050006@openmoko.com> <20081002192720.1999899b.raster@rasterman.com> <48E4F8E6.9010908@openmoko.com> <20081003093428.75b1b5fb.raster@rasterman.com> <20081005220130.76a0f9ab@elara.dyn.totalueberwachung.de> <48E8EB23.4090803@openmoko.com> <20081006091138.415f8dc5.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <48E96655.4010207@openmoko.com> Spelling issue Noted. RE: first and last names: I suppose it was worth the try?; Was it primarily the last names (US is a nation of immigrants) that gave the most trouble? or first names as well? The last names file is huge in comparision to the first name files, FWIW. and Looking at the list of names and graphing frequency versus rank, it looks like it follows a power law distribution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_law) to get to 80% of each gender you need : 313 male names, 811 female names). The top 100 male names is 60% of all male names. The top 100 female names is 43% of all female names. last names, the top 100 are only 18% of the population. FWIW, word frequency is known to follow a power law distribution, so I'm not surprised that proper names appear to follow a power law. Ok, no more backseat driving. Hope all is well Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 09:28:19 -0700 Steve Mosher babbled: > >> Raster, >> >> I don't think I was exactly clear on using the email database. >> What I was thinking is that you could run a simple program on >> your desktop computer and do a frequency analysis of the mails >> ( and contacts) that you have on your PC. Same with chat logs. >> Then merge that (somehow) into the database on the phone, >> say in the personal. > > i know - i don't think that's a great idea. it'd be full of typos! :) if it's > going to pollute the dictionary with typos... they should be the user's own! :) > > btw - i added the first/last names in and man did completion quality go down. > too many names. a lot of them can be strange and look nonsensical when you > actually use the dict with it all in - it suggests lots of garbage (so now > suggestion lists are huge and most of them are entire junk as they are some > bizarre name). > >> Daniel Willmann wrote: >>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:34:28 +1000 >>> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:37:58 -0700 Steve Mosher >>>> babbled: >>>> >>>>> I used to have a bunch of them when I was doing a NLG ( natural >>>>> Language generation) pet project. I sent you a link to US names as >>>>> well. from the US census. >>>>> For personal dictionaries, people could just run a simple word >>>>> frequency analysis on their archived email,( there are GPL >>>>> programs that do this I believe, but its dead easy to write >>>>> yourself) and import their email contacts into the database. >>>> in fact that is the idea of the "3" dictionaries the keyboard has. it >>>> has "system" (which is base language - eg english), personal (any >>>> words they type in at all go in here - they inherit frequency they >>>> had before but now gain in count as they get used more), and.. >>>> "generated" dictionary >>>> - ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/data.dic - this file is expected to be >>>> regularly generated from the users sms's, emails, contact list etc. >>>> containing words from their every-day activity - so that friend with >>>> a strange name... gets their name into the dictionary pool this >>>> way. :) >>> Is there a way to tie into bash_completion when we are on a terminal? >>> That should be fun :-) >>> >>> Regards, >>> Daniel Willmann >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Openmoko community mailing list >>> community at lists.openmoko.org >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > From feywulf9 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 6 03:49:56 2008 From: feywulf9 at yahoo.com (feywulf) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: microSD single ext2 or ext3 partition boot? Message-ID: <157002.81493.qm@web37404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, I'm a new Neo Freerunner user. I got it a few weeks ago and signed up for service to use with it on Saturday. When i first tried loading a distribution onto a microsd card, i hadn't yet read how to ssh into the phone, and tried setting one up by having it connected to my computer in a card reader. That didn't work so well, and i still haven't figured out why. I think it would be handy to be able to setup a microsd without booting into a different distribution in the flash memory and then using ssh to get in. Then I updated my u-boot and flashed the phone using neotool to try out a few different distributions. I still haven't decided on one. After i found out how to ssh into the phone i was able to load qtopia 4.3.3 on the 512 microsd that came with the freerunner. It works ok, though for some reason my ear piece speaker wasn't playing sound. I tried qtextended 4.4.1 flashed on the phone and it works ok so far. The ear piece speaker does function, but there is some GSM buzzing noise for the people on the other end. Also I'd like to be able to get the phone setup so i can boot off of a microsd with a single ext2 or ext3 partition that takes up the entire microsd card. Since the updated uboot works with ext2 partitions it should be possible to do. Would this work? setenv menu_9 Boot from microSD (ext2): setenv bootargs \${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootdelay=5 \${mtdparts} ro\; mmcinit\; ext2load mmc 1 0x32000000 \${sd_image_name}\; bootm 0x32000000 I'm thinking that the 0x32000000 might indicate an offset to where the partition starts when you have an 8mb vfat partition first. Should it be changed to 0x0? I haven't tried FSO or FDOM yet, but will be giving them a try soon. -feywulf From ato at meshy.org Mon Oct 6 04:01:00 2008 From: ato at meshy.org (Alex Osborne) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:01:00 +1000 Subject: microSD single ext2 or ext3 partition boot? In-Reply-To: <157002.81493.qm@web37404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <157002.81493.qm@web37404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 06/10/2008, at 11:49 AM, feywulf wrote: > > setenv menu_9 Boot from microSD (ext2): setenv bootargs \$ > {bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootdelay=5 \$ > {mtdparts} ro\; mmcinit\; ext2load mmc 1 0x32000000 \$ > {sd_image_name}\; bootm 0x32000000 > I think it would. For me $bootargs_base also contained root= and rootfstype= pointing at the flash which was giving the kernel some confusion having them specified twice, so if you have problems with it check that. > I'm thinking that the 0x32000000 might indicate an offset to where > the partition starts when you have an 8mb vfat partition first. > Should it be changed to 0x0? > No. 0x32000000 is the memory address the kernel will be loaded to. So ext2load reads the file $sd_image_name into memory starting at address 0x32000000. Then bootm 0x3200000 jumps there to start the kernel running. Cheers, Alex -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081006/07bc38ad/attachment.htm From steve at openmoko.com Mon Oct 6 04:37:30 2008 From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:37:30 -0700 Subject: The Lost Openmoko Community ( what's a community manager to do?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E979EA.4070804@openmoko.com> Stroller let's assume it is Possible. I had a long chat with Sean today. We both read the community list daily and our number one topic of conversation was the "Lost community" thread. Sean asked me what I thought of having a community manager. ( he was reading my mind again) On one hand, I said, Stoller has some good points ( as always). It would be a bit like herding cats, and in someway we want interesting cats, wandering off to do things that A) we didnt think of and B) we disagree with. basically because we don't know everything. On the other hand, we do recognize the benefit to be had from a little bit of structure. I have my ideas about what a community manager would do to organize and mobilize, But before I put those ideas down, I'd like to throw it open to the community. Question: what functions do you see a community manager performing. Write his job spec. ( hint hint) Stroller wrote: > Hi Risto, > > I think you depend upon Openmoko Inc. to "provide" the community. Or > perhaps direction for the community. > > I don't know if that's possible. > > Community is, by definition, a bunch of different people, with > different ideas and different requirements. Sure there may be some > consensus, but there will also be plenty of people pulling in > different directions, too. > > Additionally, I think most of us, as Linux geeks, disagree with > Openmoko Inc. on what software for our phones should look like. > Openmoko want to sell their next generation of phones to little old > ladies and teenagers, and are prepared to sacrifice complexity to do > that. And they won't be asking the community how we want our phones - > they will be following their own "vision" to achieve this. I won't by > any means be relying on official distros to do what I want. > > But what Openmoko HAS given us is wonderful, wonderful phone hardware > which runs fully open-source software. I have realised that any > criticism I might make of Openmoko must pale in comparison beside this > - they're the ONLY people who have yet done so. (Perhaps we might > mention the no-longer available Trolltech Greenphone, but that was > only a run of 1000 units or so). > > I appreciate that if you're not already a Linux / OSS fanboi, then the > above statement might not mean much. What good is "fully open-source > software", if it doesn't work, you say? Well, the benefit is that WE > can make it work, and we don't have to reply upon Openmoko to help us. > > Considering that the Freerunner is only - what? - 3 months old, the > community has made leaps & bounds already. As others have pointed out, > you can make a bug report over a spelling mistake, and I point to > David Samblas' distro as an example of what the community has produced > already. > > I think that your problems stem from looking at "the Openmoko > community" from the outside in. Only 3 months ago the first 5,000 or > 10,000 units of the Freerunner suddenly hit the market - of course the > "direction" of development is going to be a mess. It's going to be > impossible to look at just a wiki or two and try and get a handle of > everything that's going on. And one shouldn't expect the impossible > from Openmoko - to expect a unified direction of development you are > asking someone to herd cats. Personally I don't want a single "true" > distro, because we might end up with Gnome for phones. I prefer KDE > and others here prefer Ice or whatever. > > Rereading some of your questions, I did feel the same way myself a > couple of months ago. "why don't the developers feel ok to contribute > directly to 2007.x and 2008.x but 'fork' their own distros?" I have to > say that I asked this myself, and I came to realise that that wouldn't > suit the "Openmoko vision" for their own software. Just as you can't > submit patches to Gnome to add right-click options if it doesn't meet > with their "usability specification" or ask KDE to remove options > because "they confuse my grandmother", some aspects of the Openmoko > vision are indeed closed. But this free software lark gives us the > CHOICE! > > I feel that software images from Raster & David Samblas, the work > being undertaken on SHR and the recent Qtopia release are all > testaments to the community surrounding Openmoko's device(s), and if > you appreciated how rapidly the situation with the software distos has > improved in only a few weeks, you would realise that there are great > things ahead for this platform. Yes, presently it may be frustrating > for you, but even the person who makes a blog post about configuring > their wifi under disto X, or changing the theme so that Navit displays > better... those people are making a difference and improving the > Freerunner environment for everyone. > > Stroller. > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From kelvie at ieee.org Mon Oct 6 05:46:27 2008 From: kelvie at ieee.org (Kelvie Wong) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 20:46:27 -0700 Subject: [Qt Extended]: Power management functions not working when plugged in. Message-ID: <200810052046.27857.kelvie@ieee.org> I've used the Power Management dialog to set the FR to turn off its screen after X amount of time -- this seems to only work when the phone is unplugged. Whenever I plug it back in, the settings are not respected. Is this a known issue? When on battery, the settings get respected. I have also removed the power management settings from the current profile, so I don't think that is what is affecting it right now. -- Kelvie Wong From kelvie at ieee.org Mon Oct 6 05:53:19 2008 From: kelvie at ieee.org (Kelvie Wong) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 20:53:19 -0700 Subject: [Qt Extended]: Power management functions not working when plugged in. In-Reply-To: <200810052046.27857.kelvie@ieee.org> References: <200810052046.27857.kelvie@ieee.org> Message-ID: <200810052053.19814.kelvie@ieee.org> On Sunday, October 05, 2008 20:46:27 Kelvie Wong wrote: > I've used the Power Management dialog to set the FR to turn off its screen > after X amount of time -- this seems to only work when the phone is > unplugged. > > Whenever I plug it back in, the settings are not respected. Is this a > known issue? When on battery, the settings get respected. > > I have also removed the power management settings from the current profile, > so I don't think that is what is affecting it right now. Also, this is on 4.4.1, with the latest kernel on mwester's site: gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable -- Kelvie Wong From lpotter at trolltech.com Mon Oct 6 06:00:41 2008 From: lpotter at trolltech.com (Lorn Potter) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:00:41 +1000 Subject: [Qt Extended]: Power management functions not working when plugged in. In-Reply-To: <200810052053.19814.kelvie@ieee.org> References: <200810052046.27857.kelvie@ieee.org> <200810052053.19814.kelvie@ieee.org> Message-ID: <48E98D69.8060406@trolltech.com> Kelvie Wong wrote: > On Sunday, October 05, 2008 20:46:27 Kelvie Wong wrote: >> I've used the Power Management dialog to set the FR to turn off its screen >> after X amount of time -- this seems to only work when the phone is >> unplugged. >> >> Whenever I plug it back in, the settings are not respected. Is this a >> known issue? When on battery, the settings get respected. >> >> I have also removed the power management settings from the current profile, >> so I don't think that is what is affecting it right now. > > Also, this is on 4.4.1, with the latest kernel on mwester's site: > gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable > > Yes, this is a known issue, unfortunately. Am working on this as we speak. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd From kelvie at ieee.org Mon Oct 6 06:05:35 2008 From: kelvie at ieee.org (Kelvie Wong) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:05:35 -0700 Subject: [Qt Extended]: Power management functions not working =?iso-8859-1?q?when=09plugged?= in. In-Reply-To: <48E98D69.8060406@trolltech.com> References: <200810052046.27857.kelvie@ieee.org> <200810052053.19814.kelvie@ieee.org> <48E98D69.8060406@trolltech.com> Message-ID: <200810052105.36005.kelvie@ieee.org> On Sunday, October 05, 2008 21:00:41 Lorn Potter wrote: > Yes, this is a known issue, unfortunately. Am working on this as we speak. Good to hear :) Are snapshots going to be available, or would I have to wait until the next release? -- Kelvie Wong From lpotter at trolltech.com Mon Oct 6 06:16:07 2008 From: lpotter at trolltech.com (Lorn Potter) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:16:07 +1000 Subject: [Qt Extended]: Power management functions not working when plugged in. In-Reply-To: <200810052105.36005.kelvie@ieee.org> References: <200810052046.27857.kelvie@ieee.org> <200810052053.19814.kelvie@ieee.org> <48E98D69.8060406@trolltech.com> <200810052105.36005.kelvie@ieee.org> Message-ID: <48E99107.1000605@trolltech.com> Kelvie Wong wrote: > On Sunday, October 05, 2008 21:00:41 Lorn Potter wrote: >> Yes, this is a known issue, unfortunately. Am working on this as we speak. > > Good to hear :) Are snapshots going to be available, or would I have to wait > until the next release? > We are waiting on an 'ok' to start snapshots. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 6 07:50:30 2008 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 05:50:30 -0000 Subject: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro In-Reply-To: <20080909135114.GA20719@roque.1407.org> References: <7b09df4c0809081759x3bc9900eve03824d72d62b9bd@mail.gmail.com> <200809091300.37278.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <20080909135114.GA20719@roque.1407.org> Message-ID: <200809091534.37576.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote: > > On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > > I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory sooner > > > than everyone else :) > > > > Why? Are you making some unwarranted assumptions about using Gentoo on > > embedded systems? > > No unwarranted assumption, the only argument you could throw back at me is > an argument against using Gentoo instead of any .deb or .rpm based > distribution ;) > > Please, no distro-war, you're free to kill your flash devices sooner ;) I use Gentoo, CentOS, Fedora and Debian so no war here :-) I'm just curious why you think Gentoo will wear out flash devices sooner than any other distro if reasonably configured. The key here is probably 'reasonable' as I would build packages on a more capable machine and use binary-only merges, and various directories may find themselves mounted over the network. From stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk Mon Oct 6 09:12:29 2008 From: stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk (Stroller) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:12:29 +0100 Subject: led blinking during suspend? In-Reply-To: <9e7398030810051510w14e5b38dy6ea623c9072927e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e7398030810051510w14e5b38dy6ea623c9072927e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <94AE2A95-DF7D-4A7A-9709-3409E4A83F82@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> On 5 Oct 2008, at 23:10, Richy wrote: > ... > I would find it rather cool if the red LED would blink on missed > calls and the blue one on missed messages. This is a useful idea. > There is no need to make a difference between a turned off NEO and a > suspended one, because once power management is mature enough you > won't actually power it off anyways. Except a flashing LED reassures me that the battery is not dead. Stroller. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20081006/a6814671/attachment.htm From martinsenkerik at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 09:17:32 2008 From: martinsenkerik at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Martin_=C5=A0enke=C5=99=C3=ADk?=) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:17:32 +0200 Subject: Volume In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <725bc0ca0810060017wf4bac3bk5b97db9b30a31574@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:27 PM, Matthias Camenzind wrote: > > I found out a way to get better volume settings. > cp /usr/share/openmoko/gsmhandset.state /home/root/ > modify entry 'Mic2 Capture Volume' value to 3 and 'Speaker Playback Volume' value to 95 (in state file in /home/root/ > create a script like this: > #!/bin/bash > cp /home/root/*.state /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ > > this should work, same way you can edit other state files. > to autorun the script i added it in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh > _________________________________________________________________ > Werden Sie Mitglied der neuen Windows Live Messenger Familie! > http://get.live.com > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Better settings in which way?? From _ at whats-your.name Mon Oct 6 09:22:06 2008 From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen r) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 03:22:06 -0400 Subject: Glad to see Gentoo-openmoko distro In-Reply-To: <200809091534.37576.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> References: <7b09df4c0809081759x3bc9900eve03824d72d62b9bd@mail.gmail.com> <200809091300.37278.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <20080909135114.GA20719@roque.1407.org> <200809091534.37576.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <20081006072204.GA24151@debian> On Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 03:34:37PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote: > On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 01:00:36PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote: > > > On Tuesday 09 September 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > > > I hope you guys don't mind killing your phone or uSD's memory sooner > > > > than everyone else :) > > > > > > Why? Are you making some unwarranted assumptions about using Gentoo on > > > embedded systems? > > > > No unwarranted assumption, the only argument you could throw back at me is > > an argument against using Gentoo instead of any .deb or .rpm based > > distribution ;) > > > > Please, no distro-war, you're free to kill your flash devices sooner ;) > > I use Gentoo, CentOS, Fedora and Debian so no war here :-) I'm just curious > why you think Gentoo will wear out flash devices sooner than any other distro > if reasonably configured. The key here is probably 'reasonable' as I would > build packages on a more capable machine and use binary-only merges, and > various directories may find themselves mounted over the network. im surprised at the popularity of these 'images' and flashing the entire device surely a distro with piecemeal upgrade puts less wear and tear on the flash and debian's lack of USE/config support means you generally get a larger binary with more stuff enabled - so more wear and tear whats the big fear anywyas. MTFB is like 1 million rewrites, and you have hardware and FS level wear-leveling/block-masking anwyays surely youll want a bigger HD or a phone with 3G and a camera before then > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From javiroman at kernel-labs.org Mon Oct 6 09:24:35 2008 From: javiroman at kernel-labs.org (Javi Roman) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:24:35 +0200 Subject: discouraged: projects.openmoko.org unmaintained? In-Reply-To: <20081006091907.9b6cf2bc.raster@rasterman.com> References: <12c2e32e0810050444w2c80a795v8bdd8de1cb26961c@mail.gmail.com> <725bc0ca0810050917x78b2d3f7kcc6ff5c7c5377ec3@mail.gmail.com> <20081006091907.9b6cf2bc.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <12c2e32e0810060024k6cba5d76p5d2ce1f437157e06@mail.gmail.com> > this is a problem that happens often enough - projects.om needs a a reboot i > think (i think that was the fix of last resort last time), but this has > happened every now and again and will keep happening as i understand its some > issue with pam sometimes and ssh and maybe mysql or something - not sure, but > the result is that for hours or days you'll be stuck unless you file a trac > ticket with om's admin team - and then they need to get around to it. > > as such i moved illume off projects.om myself after yet another incident of > this (which basically meant for hours i was stuck not being able to work as i > couldn't build an update to test as OE feeds off public svn and i couldn't > commit my changes and up the svnrev to rebuild and test on the device). but i > have the luxury of having a rather hefty and well maintained svn server on > enlightenment.org to use - which i also have admin access too (which to date > has been up continually 24/7 without hassles). it also made sense that illume > can track efl and e much better being in the same spot and building with the > same srcrev thus staying in sync. but that's me :) > It's time to give a try to google, It?s a pity ... - Javi Roman From haduong at centre-cired.fr Mon Oct 6 09:48:59 2008 From: haduong at centre-cired.fr (Minh Ha Duong) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:48:59 +0200 Subject: Community update, october 3rd 2008 Message-ID: <200810060948.59067.haduong@centre-cired.fr> Contents * 1 Distributions * 2 Applications * 3 Hardware * 4 Wiki and community * 5 From the stars * 6 Outside Openmoko [edit] Distributions * The big affair was the release of Om2008.9 Update on September 19th, the dot one ASU. 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