The Lost Openmoko Community
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Sat Oct 4 22:31:37 CEST 2008
When some body feels lost is because he doen't planned the trip enough,
before come in strange territory you must have maps and read about uses
and customs of the aboriginal and if the case earn enough of their
language to , when if all plans fail, ask where you are and how to go
I'm a foreigner too, but when I feel lost I don't sit down and cry, I
search for a more actualiced guide or ask , aboriginals here are very
friendly, and even a lot of experienced foreigner are happy to help you
As you post in you blog you just arrive , you take a quick look to a
totally strange territory an you complain you feel lost and not
confortable in any place here, if like you there are other, instead of
keep this flamming post growing and growing ,get you hands dirty and
began to work, you haven't to be a high kernel hacker to help, you can
translate and/or review wiki, you can focus on a app and report even
stetical issues (as some one in the post has already suggest..),
About FDOM you have a bad perspective, FDOM is posible because a lot of
people had been working to make OM2008.08, Illume, and a every app
inside FDOM, is posible because people has make public their tweakings
in the wiki or in this list, and even talk to me or in the devel list to
make suggestions and/or directly work. FDOM has began as a shared simply
backup of my own phone, and now is near to be the first distro that
will have their rootfs (bad) managed in a svn repository, yeah we put
the binaries and yes we know svn was thinked to manage source code,
but source code is not the business of FDOM right now, we are only
focused on pimping whatever OM has decide to be their base distro, if
they finally change to an FSO based distro I will be happy to pimping it
too, even If I have to redo all work from zeto. I have done it a lot of
times to test and to try to improve things. FDOM has not born for a
need, FDOM has been born thanks to all the work done before, including
the phone where it runs.
This is a public request to all those you like FDOM, If you like FDOM
then you like OM2008.X, FDOM=OM+things already done by others ,
please stop comparation and using FDOM as weapon against itself.
I will already ask to please, stop this post right now in the tone it
And maybe I wrong and now i will post a personal opinion, You have your
own blog to post you opinions, you have appeared in planet, as you
already said people has post their opinions in your blog post,you have
said nothing new in this post than have not already said in you blog,
there was a need to do it?
Thanks to all to make me, and colaboratos, able to make FDOM
El sáb, 04-10-2008 a las 15:56 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa escribió:
> After my previous blog post  about Openmoko 2007.2 distribution and
> the Openmoko community I got some comments proving that like me, some
> other people feel that the community is lost and uninformed. This post
> is a follow up to the previous post and the comments I got.
> I've understood that 2007.2 still ships with the phones. As soon as
> one gets his new c00l Freerunner linux phone they need to flash the
> phone with a new distro (2008.x or Debian, FDOM, SHR, Gentoo, Qtopia,
> FSO.. ) since the software it ships with is obsolete. OK, so you
> get your 2008.x there and find that it doesn't really do all the magic
> and would like to report a bug.
> I don't know how others feel but I really don't feel like reporting
> bugs in the bug tracker . OK, I'm running an unsupported distro
> (2007.2) so there's one reason but I also feel that it's okay to post
> kernel bugs only there, not anything that a normal user would see in
> his GUI. Is this correct or just a feeling or misunderstanding?
> Remember that all Freerunner owners and people here in the community
> are not kernel developers. I don't even know how to save back traces
> or hack the source code but I'm happy to report if something doesn't
> work and then when someone more skillful finds what's wrong and
> eventually fixes it, I'm again happy to try if the fix works for me.
> For some reason I feel that there's no space in the community for
> users like me.
> So it's 2008.x now. No, wait.. there are FDOM  and SHR  around
> that are not far from 2008.x. Is 2007.2 still developed and lead by
> Openmoko or by the community? Do the community developers have access
> to the files so that new releases can be made or is SHR the closest to
> 2007.2 you can get to? My feeling is that there was a lack of
> information about why 2007.2 was forgotten and new 2008.x series was
> started and that something weird is happening in the official distros
> that creates a need for FDOM and SHR - why don't the developers feel
> ok to contribute directly to 2007.x and 2008.x but 'fork' their own
> I think that what makes me feel lost is the lack of information about
> what's happening in the community. I don't know what's the development
> status of the software or what's the general direction the community
> and/or Openmoko is heading to? Having a better view on the general
> situation makes one feel much more comfortable and secure: now I feel
> that I just wait to see what the next release's like not being able to
> know what to wait for.
> NEXT STEPS
> People working at Openmoko and other software developers:
> * Please check 'Community Management as Open Source's Core
> Competency' by David Eaves  and have a good look at the the
> Openmoko community. It needs management!
> * Please write a blog post once a week or so to
> planet.openmoko.org and the community mailing list telling the
> community what's going on. Five to ten lines is enough to help the
> community feel better!
> * Please respect your community!
> Other community members:
> * How do you feel about the current situation? How happy are you
> with the community?
> * Do you feel well informed? Do you know what's the direction
> we're heading to?
> * How would you like to contribute?
> ps. I posted this also in my blog:
>  http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/openmoko-20072-distros-and-community/
>  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release
>  https://docs.openmoko.org/trac
>  http://eaves.ca/2006/12/17/community-management-as-open-sources-core-competency/
>  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM_-_a_Fat_and_Dirty_OM_based_distribution
>  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions
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