The Lost Openmoko Community
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Sat Oct 4 23:08:47 CEST 2008
- Un mundo mejor es posible -
David Samblas escribió:
> When some body feels lost is because he doen't planned the trip enough,
> before come in strange territory you must have maps and read about uses
> and customs of the aboriginal and if the case earn enough of their
> language to , when if all plans fail, ask where you are and how to go
> any where.
> I'm a foreigner too, but when I feel lost I don't sit down and cry, I
> search for a more actualiced guide or ask , aboriginals here are very
> friendly, and even a lot of experienced foreigner are happy to help you
> As you post in you blog you just arrive , you take a quick look to a
> totally strange territory an you complain you feel lost and not
> confortable in any place here, if like you there are other, instead of
> keep this flamming post growing and growing ,get you hands dirty and
> began to work, you haven't to be a high kernel hacker to help, you can
> translate and/or review wiki, you can focus on a app and report even
> stetical issues (as some one in the post has already suggest..),
> About FDOM you have a bad perspective, FDOM is posible because a lot of
> people had been working to make OM2008.08, Illume, and a every app
> inside FDOM, is posible because people has make public their tweakings
> in the wiki or in this list, and even talk to me or in the devel list to
> make suggestions and/or directly work. FDOM has began as a shared simply
> backup of my own phone, and now is near to be the first distro that
> will have their rootfs (bad) managed in a svn repository, yeah we put
> the binaries and yes we know svn was thinked to manage source code,
> but source code is not the business of FDOM right now, we are only
> focused on pimping whatever OM has decide to be their base distro, if
> they finally change to an FSO based distro I will be happy to pimping it
> too, even If I have to redo all work from zeto. I have done it a lot of
> times to test and to try to improve things. FDOM has not born for a
> need, FDOM has been born thanks to all the work done before, including
> the phone where it runs.
> This is a public request to all those you like FDOM, If you like FDOM
> then you like OM2008.X, FDOM=OM+things already done by others ,
> please stop comparation and using FDOM as weapon against itself.
> I will already ask to please, stop this post right now in the tone it
> has began.
> And maybe I wrong and now i will post a personal opinion, You have your
> own blog to post you opinions, you have appeared in planet, as you
> already said people has post their opinions in your blog post,you have
> said nothing new in this post than have not already said in you blog,
> there was a need to do it?
> Thanks to all to make me, and colaboratos, able to make FDOM
> El sáb, 04-10-2008 a las 15:56 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa escribió:
>> After my previous blog post  about Openmoko 2007.2 distribution and
>> the Openmoko community I got some comments proving that like me, some
>> other people feel that the community is lost and uninformed. This post
>> is a follow up to the previous post and the comments I got.
>> I've understood that 2007.2 still ships with the phones. As soon as
>> one gets his new c00l Freerunner linux phone they need to flash the
>> phone with a new distro (2008.x or Debian, FDOM, SHR, Gentoo, Qtopia,
>> FSO.. ) since the software it ships with is obsolete. OK, so you
>> get your 2008.x there and find that it doesn't really do all the magic
>> and would like to report a bug.
>> I don't know how others feel but I really don't feel like reporting
>> bugs in the bug tracker . OK, I'm running an unsupported distro
>> (2007.2) so there's one reason but I also feel that it's okay to post
>> kernel bugs only there, not anything that a normal user would see in
>> his GUI. Is this correct or just a feeling or misunderstanding?
>> Remember that all Freerunner owners and people here in the community
>> are not kernel developers. I don't even know how to save back traces
>> or hack the source code but I'm happy to report if something doesn't
>> work and then when someone more skillful finds what's wrong and
>> eventually fixes it, I'm again happy to try if the fix works for me.
>> For some reason I feel that there's no space in the community for
>> users like me.
>> So it's 2008.x now. No, wait.. there are FDOM  and SHR  around
>> that are not far from 2008.x. Is 2007.2 still developed and lead by
>> Openmoko or by the community? Do the community developers have access
>> to the files so that new releases can be made or is SHR the closest to
>> 2007.2 you can get to? My feeling is that there was a lack of
>> information about why 2007.2 was forgotten and new 2008.x series was
>> started and that something weird is happening in the official distros
>> that creates a need for FDOM and SHR - why don't the developers feel
>> ok to contribute directly to 2007.x and 2008.x but 'fork' their own
>> I think that what makes me feel lost is the lack of information about
>> what's happening in the community. I don't know what's the development
>> status of the software or what's the general direction the community
>> and/or Openmoko is heading to? Having a better view on the general
>> situation makes one feel much more comfortable and secure: now I feel
>> that I just wait to see what the next release's like not being able to
>> know what to wait for.
>> NEXT STEPS
>> People working at Openmoko and other software developers:
>> * Please check 'Community Management as Open Source's Core
>> Competency' by David Eaves  and have a good look at the the
>> Openmoko community. It needs management!
>> * Please write a blog post once a week or so to
>> planet.openmoko.org and the community mailing list telling the
>> community what's going on. Five to ten lines is enough to help the
>> community feel better!
>> * Please respect your community!
>> Other community members:
>> * How do you feel about the current situation? How happy are you
>> with the community?
>> * Do you feel well informed? Do you know what's the direction
>> we're heading to?
>> * How would you like to contribute?
>> ps. I posted this also in my blog:
>>  http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/openmoko-20072-distros-and-community/
>>  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release
>>  https://docs.openmoko.org/trac
>>  http://eaves.ca/2006/12/17/community-management-as-open-sources-core-competency/
>>  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM_-_a_Fat_and_Dirty_OM_based_distribution
>>  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions
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