consider buying Neo Freerunner
photogeekmtl at gmail.com
Tue Oct 21 23:52:40 CEST 2008
I haven't tried Qtopia 4.3 - but I've tried using QTExtended (Qtopia 4.4)
and had a lot of stability issues. I did see someone mention on this list
that 4.3 was more stable, though...
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Joop Boonen <joop_boonen at web.de> wrote:
> The "problems" mentioned are do they occur in both qtopia as in OM2008?
> I understood that qtopia is more stable.
> If this is true why no make it dual boot, as is possible. Boot up in
> Qtopia when the phone has to be stable and when a problem is ok, boot up
> in OM2008?
> I'm going to order my Freerunner soon. I think in spite of it's problem
> it's the best embedded product, with "total" freedom, around right now.
> xaos wrote:
> > Qtextended is probably the most stable at this point, and that has
> > it's caveats.
> > Incoming calls are always registered as missed calls.
> > Incoming calls are always answered as speakerphone, instead of
> > handset. I'm not sure if there is a setting for it, but I haven't been
> > able to find it. If anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd
> > appreciate it as I hate having to remember to switch it to handset
> > after I answer a call.
> > Often, accessing the keyboard after a call starts is impossible, which
> > makes it difficult when you have to navigate through a company VM
> > menu. You can use the "Smart" theme which works a little better but
> > you will need to use the stylus to access the .5" x .5" dialpad the
> > comes up in a call.
> > SMS messages received will often double themselves, or show five or
> > six times the amount of new messages in the New Message alert.
> > Select All->Move to Trash works sometimes, sometimes not, and it will
> > often redownload them from the SMS server after the phone
> > crashes/hangs/doesn't-come-out-of-suspend and requires a hard restart
> > which, for me, is about every two or three days.
> > Using the stylus is almost a necessity; you're not going to have much
> > luck using your finger for anything other than the largest, most
> > well-divided buttons. Even on the menus, you'll find yourself
> > selecting the wrong entry over and over (fingernails are not much of
> > an option for me. I'm a guitarist and keep them pretty short.) The
> > dockable qwerty keyboard works moderately well for composing messages
> > with the stylus, but the arrow keys don't work in the terminal, so be
> > prepared to type commands over and over, as the bash/ash history is
> > not accessible. The predictive text keyboard is mostly unusable due to
> > the inability after a word or two to change keyboard types or erase
> > characters.
> > I don't use the alarm so I can't comment on the issues others have had
> > with that module.
> > MP3 playback is pointless as it stutters constantly.
> > WEP wireless connections seem to only be available via command line. I
> > can't connect via WEP by the GUI, so I just wrote a script to do it.
> > Even that is weird, as I have to follow the following sequence to get
> > that to work:
> > iwconfig eth0 essid my_ap enc my_encryption_key;
> > sleep 2;
> > iwconfig eth0 essid any;
> > sleep 2;
> > udhcpd eth0;
> > The first time I call the script it fails. so I control-C it, and run
> > it again (the up arrow on the keyboard would be very handy here in the
> > terminal.) The second time it works and gets an IP address, however it
> > seems resolvconf is not updated (even though the DNS addresses are in
> > resolv.conf) as I can't ping by DNS, only IP. Now, if i run it a third
> > time it works like a charm. I don't know if this is something odd with
> > my network and the card on the Neo, or what but my laptop connects
> > fine with Ubuntu.
> > These things of course have all been filed as bugs already AFAIK. If
> > there are fixes for anything I've mentioned here, I'd love to apply
> > them.
> > I'm not sure if the phone is just grossly underpowered for what we are
> > trying to do with it (MP3 playback) or if it's just that the software
> > has a loooong way to go before being usable as a day-to-day phone
> > with some extra PDA features.
> > So, in conclusion, I'd say there are a lot less expensive gadget
> > phones out there that do more and will not result in your hair turning
> > gray prematurely. The Neo is a wonderful idea, just not implemented
> > very well I guess. The design is nice, it's case feels better in your
> > hand than any other phone I've used. It's nice to have linux on my
> > phone and be able to do all the things I'd do with my laptop or
> > desktop, but without GPRS or 3G availability, it's kind of silly. If I
> > have access to wireless APs, I'll have my laptop most likely, so why
> > use the phone for that stuff? The display resolution is crisp and many
> > people have commented to me on that. I like the phone, I just can't
> > use it without a lot of finger digit acrobatics.
> > </rambling>
> > -Tom
> > "Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is
> > time to pause and reflect." -- Mark Twain
> > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Alastair Johnson
> > <alastair at truebox.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson wrote:
> >>> William Kenworthy wrote:
> >>>> No, you are in the vast majority I think - those who can reliably make
> >>>> phone and sms calls are in the minority - if they even exist.
> >>>> BillK
> >>> Those of use using reliably are minority but we do exist. Occasionally
> >>> the phone will coma on me and require a hard restart (remove battery
> >>> reinsert) but this happens less than once a week in most cases.
> >> For certain values of 'reliably' then ;-) That might pass for reliable
> >> in the WinCE world, but not here.
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