Mockup or what else?

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) raster at
Tue Sep 16 07:50:09 CEST 2008

On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:06:32 +0200 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <mail at>

> > On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:13:39 +0200 Bumbl <bumbl3x3 at> babbled:
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> >> Are these mockups or where can I obtain this theme.
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> >> It looks amazingly good.
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> > i don't do mockups... :) they pollute! :) it's real. ignore the clock and
> > its background - that's just a test app i wrote (called Ello). i'm in the
> > middle of doing illume extensions to e17's nw default theme.
> Woow! That's really amazing... Rasterman you're always the only who can 
> make us dreaming even more.

don't think it's amazing. :) it's just using the power already lurking under
the hood there with edje etc. i generally code things to have much more power
than is apparent - with simple changes of configuration/data files. i like to
do it this way because i know most people are not coders. they should not rely
on programmers to just be able to change a look and feel. this is something i
prefer to put into the hands of users as much as possible. sometimes it
complicates a lot of things - but in the end, it is worth it. i'm just using
the power already there. you can too! there's a toango theme which is also doing

e (and also illume) are built in a way where this can be flexible and right now
in om's asu (2008.08) you're relatively limited. you can change theme. e does
have a whole config profile system where you can quickly change the entire
setup to a previously stored profile you have with an instant flip. i've
started using them more heavily in some last changes i made to asu (2008.08/on
to 2008.09) and fso - so they use asu and fso profiles respectively. anyway...
there needs to be work on the ui look and feel to make it at least "out of the
box" impressive enough to have people drool and go "i want me some of that open
source stuff there!"

> Btw I didn't read before the bad news about leaving Openmoko [1]... This 
> made me really so much sad. Reading your latest mail I figured that your 
> relationship with Om was not going so well (didn't they leave you enough 
> space of developing how and what you'd have liked?), but I really hoped 
> that this wouldn't ever happen... :(
> Now that enlightenment is so important for Openmoko, what will be our 
> future? Since the main E developer isn't anymore part of Openmoko, its 
> development won't be anymore Om-focussed; then Rasterman in the near 
> future could be occupied in other things, so his interest for e-embedded 
> could decrease and with it also the quality of the software that we'll use.

it'll be focused on what i want. trust me - been quietly preparing for embedded
for many years - and it still interests me a lot. i will be doing stuff - but
pretty much on my own terms as to what i see is right. what i see as right of
course is heavily influenced by what users want and need and say they have
problems with - i generally would take that and digest it into an acceptable
technical solution in the end. it isn't always perfect - it's hard to be. but
you can give it a good go and try and get a lot of the way there. users are
also not just nerds.. they are also "what would my grandmother do?" general
questions. try and cover both groups - "make it an option". options come in
many varieties. sometimes its better as an installable app/package, sometimes it
just takes too much work to do that, sometimes its better as a runtime option,
sometimes as something else. sometimes you can do it both ways and not make it
bad for either group (keep everyone happy) :). i generally prefer runtime
options u do not need to install - if they come at "pretty much no extra cost".
no magic packages to find or be told about. just browse the config options (in
advanced mode) and fiddle until it does what you want :)

> However there's another question to Openmoko: another important 
> developer left openmoko; unfortunately he's not the first of the list.
> Why this happens so often? In every message I've read about, it's always 
> stated that there's no so much "openness" as it should be.
> This won't to be a flame, but we all know how people like Rasterman are 
> important for the project. I can't really understand how we can throw 
> those opportunities away...

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