Freerunner a month after

Iain B. Findleton ifindleton at
Mon Sep 22 19:21:39 CEST 2008

Really depends on what your motivations and goals are, I suspect.
Personally, I develop the applications that I want on the phone using
TclFltk, a scripting based language that uses the FLTK tool kit. Since
this cross platform environment works on Windows, Linux, etc. It does
not get bogged down on all this platform dependant stuff.

I suspect that there must be other things that are pretty isolated from
the stack, like python-gtk or java that you can use.

On the other hand, if you are into the internals of the phone, your
project will probably have a lot of trouble because of the lack of
documentation and access. My projects are strictly user space
applications, and so far, things are relatively speaking just fine.

Nicola Mfb wrote:
> Hi,
> After experimenting with freerunner and trying to develop applications
> for it I have some doubts.
> I searched on the mailing-list, forums, wiki and so on, but I was not
> able to retrieve some basic information that I need to continue this
> exciting experience.
> If someone answers on this I think a lot of people will appreciate,
> and I'll be happy to update the wiki.
> First of all, I'd like to have some clarifications about software
> stack future.
> Actually, we have tree "main" distros: 2008.x, fso and qtopia.
> Qtopia is very stable, but peoples seems to not prefer it as not
> community based (I was not able to find qtopia 4.3.3 snapshot sources,
> but this is another problem).
> 2008.x is based on an older qtopia fork patched for x11, using it's
> phone server, dialer and settings.
> In the om-oe-tree it seems there is no staging for qt/qtopia library,
> nor documentation that explains how to develop qtopia/qt applications
> for 2008.x (I hope I'm in error), so you cannot interact easly with
> qtopia stack.
> You may use excellent qtopia offical SDK but your applications will
> not run becouse they need a qpe server. You may bitbake qt4-free-x11,
> and build applications against it, but i do not know if they are
> compatible with libraries that provided by qtopia on x11 itself and if
> that oe recipie is om-supported or is it there only from the oe fork.
> So it seems developing over qtopia/2008.x is not encouraged (at least
> for external developers).
> The last is FSO, it has documentation and is a very nice middleware
> and is bleeding-edge. I may be in error again (if i am please ignore
> the next assumptions!) but it seems as FSO is developed out of Fic or
> OpenMoko inc., directly on openembedded (some rumors about developers
> that left openmoko and join fso).
> The second doubt came as that om-oe-tree is a fork of oe-tree and is
> on a different git server, why this? to  leave to openmoko official
> developers the full control over it?
> If some bitbake recipies need a fix, should the openmoko developers
> fix it or the oe guy?
> After that there are debian and other coming soon distros, as gentoo.
> All these dependes above all on openmoko linux kernel, are the
> openmoko developers the only writing/mantaining it? are oe guys
> involved too?
> On the wiki i read that next openmoko release will be based on fso, so
> will openmoko guy patch qtopia x11 to use dbus and avoid it's
> intertnal phone server? if not why are they supporting the project?
> I know this is a mix between "political" and technical questions, but
> please clarify!
> Regards
>     Nicola
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