OT: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow
tanuva at googlemail.com
Wed Feb 4 16:49:42 CET 2009
I zapped into this thread because it was only one new mail in the om-community
folder and clicking it was the simplest way to mark it as read. Somehow I got
curious what that strange (hungarian) sentence has to do with om and found a
nice pack of information about your (?) language... Very interesting mail,
that's what I love the free software world for. :)
Am Wednesday 04 February 2009 16:37:56 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS:
> > ok - so if a young person typed:
> > Öt szép szűz
> > it'd be:
> > Ot szep szuz
> ((btw, the meaning of "Öt szép szűz lány őrült írót nyúz" is
> "Five virgins tire a crazy writer".
> It is the hungarian synonym of "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy
> Yes, and in that specific case works.
> (because none of the above words (Ot, szep, szuz) has a meaning in
> hungarian language, so you can understand that example without
> But there are other cases, where it is not that clear:
> ólt - pound (accusative)
> ölt - he killed ...
> olt - to graft
> So when you see "olt" in the text you cant be sure it is "olt", "ólt"
> or "ölt" without analysing the whole sentence.
> The german example is two-way conversion: ü - ue, ß - ss. You can
> switch back and for
> without losing additional information.
> >> A simple word based dictionary is limited anyway for the hungarian
> >> language, where you can create a word as long as this:
> >> "elkelkáposztástalaníthatatlanságoskodásaitokért".
> > ugh. so its like german. compound words get created a lot by just
> > stringing multiple words together without a space. that's ok- as long as
> > there arent a massive set of them... :)
> But there are. Because this language is "agglutinative".
> I explain a bit the difficulty.
> In german you can create the following word:
> wood [en] - Holz [de] - fa [hu]
> house [en] - Haus [de] - ház [hu]
> wood house [en] - Holzhaus [de] - faház [hu]
> So you glued together house and wood in one word.
> (this is your example: stringing together without space)
> In german you can even create words of one verb plus a modifier, like:
> to work [en], arbeiten [de], dolgoz [hu]
> to ply [en], bearbeiten (be+arbeiten) [de], megdolgoz (meg+dolgoz) [hu]
> It is the same process;) There are many example of this:
> to link together[en], anschliessen (an+schliessen) [de] - összekapcsol
> (össze+kapcsol) [hu],
> to buy up [en], aufkaufen (auf+kaufen) - felvásárol (fel+vásárol) [hu]
> But in hungarian language, we glue together everything, some example:
> in house [en], im Haus [de], házban (ház+ban) [hu]
> car [en], Wagen [de], kocsi [hu]
> our car [en], unseren Wagen (unser+en Wagen) [de], kocsinkat
> (kocsi+(u/ü)nk+(a/á/e/é)t) [hu]
> So the possibilities are nearly infinite.
> Without analysing the sentence and the word, you cant find the root
> word with correct accent.
> And finding the root word requires a spell checker (the best available
> is hunspell for the hungarian language)
> - Losing the accents (in hungarian) most of the time results in
> contradiction. - Need a spell checker to suggesting the right accented
> (see: http://hunspell.sourceforge.net/)
> So creating an architecture for spell checker is not a bad idea (for
> future extensibility).
> It could be handy for english too. But for other language (ex:
> hungarian) maybe essential.
> Sorry for being so tiresome.
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