Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(

Jeff Sadowski jeff.sadowski at
Tue Jan 27 01:34:07 CET 2009

Oooh :-) Idea: Make it shock the user if its not the right user. I
smell smoke I think it is coming from over there. Hey look there is my
phone. next to a flaming POS.

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Lothar Behrens
<lothar.behrens at> wrote:
> Hi,
> sorry for you all that lost your phone, stolen or lost anyhow by being
> careless. I also had lost a phone, but not my FR :-)
> I read the thread, and think about my contract. I have no gprs as of my old
> phone didn't let me opening
> web or wap pages.
> I have some questions and ideas that are in my brain :-)
> Is there any way to use analog modem connections ?
> I don't know how much CPU power is needed but when possible a phone could
> send more data to a dedicated
> number we could provide for that.
> If a real modem connection couldn't be used, what about creating a tone
> modulation for the data to be send
> as a 'spoken' message to be send back to a number as a voice recorder.
> The voice recorder then (a Linux PC :-) could decode the data and store the
> data.
> All the data could be collected on a web service to probably get the bad
> guys behind to give that information to
> the police.
> The web service also could provide information about stolen devices, thus
> when a phone gets any wlan connection,
> it could check for stolen state. This is not that spoof able I think,
> because the web sevice may be as usual password protected.
> But the server could provide sms, mms or phone gateways for fallback
> options. More gateways could be provided by us.
> The new gateway information could be uploaded by interacting with the user
> (software updates :-)
> If a phone didn't have gprs, sms, mms, or wlan, sending prepared 'data
> voices' would be an option. It didn't need to send much at first to get
> an answer about the stolen state in that way. I think the recorded data
> could be decoded in both directions, you don't need
> much cpu power, because it will be unidirectional, or let the 'protocol'
> enough time between packed sent and anser packets
> for decoding.
> Doing an active voice call may save us the cost of callbacks or sending back
> sms. With a proper longtime protocol with long pauses or a
> better solution a lot could be done.
> Usually you could activate this when the sim card get's changed without any
> notice to the user. He should still use the phone a while
> to collect information. We then could start a preinstalled application to
> authenticate the sim card change. If not options are many.
> The PIN entry of the normal card could be replaced by the PIN you
> provide. The user then wouldn't realize it, but claims to enter
> the correct, we simply accept, but start the timer for the above actions.
> Or we leave the user in claim that the documentation of it's sim card
> provider doesn't seem to be correct and he/she must issue
> a call with the service provider.
> At that point, the service provider couldn't help for that special phone.
> The new 'user' HAS to contact the manufacturer and so on
> you probably get your phone back, because the manufacturer should request
> for sending back the phone.
> Getting the state of stolen, the phone could anyway send a message to a
> police station near the user with spd-say, after
> the 'anti-theft' server has located the next police station's telephone
> number with any of the above options sent back to the
> phone. (Maybe with manual data entry of the phone numbers by us users with
> POI collection, hehe tangoGPS :-)
> That way the phone could help actively. Not only 'data voices' could be
> sent.
> Also the collected wlan, phone towers, GPS, voice, phone numbers and what
> else could help to locate the guys behind,
> as the phones will walk up to the key guys before it would reselled. (Where
> they all are located would be very nice POI data)
> With that data, we could help the police.
> A note about the attack to people currently having your phone: They may not
> know, that they have a stolen phone, thus
> you get to be a 'criminal' and beware, you may also get reatacked by the
> person :-)
> Giving the police the collected data, would propably help much more.
> What about all my stupid brain stuff ?
> Discuss about the possibilities - even stupid ideas as the old 'acustic
> coupler'. You don't really need all the modern GPRS stuff :-)
> If that is possible also the cost of operation is not very high I think -
> even you change your card (you know to start a separate unlocker)
> Lothar
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