why openmoko is so slow? Is it a joke?
bernd.pruenster at gmail.com
Wed Jul 15 01:44:29 CEST 2009
Joerg Lippmann schrieb:
> Am Montag 13 Juli 2009 schrieb Nicola Mfb:
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Ivan Shirokov<ivanshirokoff at gmail.com>
>> wrote: [...]
>>>> Well, I would say it was a very bad joke. I spent eq. of 400 dolars, I
>>>> was waiting 1 year for glamo acceleration etc, etc. that would make the
>>>> phone usable etc, and it turns out, that it will never be. With the slow
>>>> bus, one can forget about acceleration... What can be accelerated if you
>>>> have to send information about complex bitmaps...
>>> That's really sad =(
>> AFAIK there is still some space for improvement in general responsiveness.
>> Actually there is a busy loop eating CPU to wait for graphical
>> operations to complete.
>> There are working in progress to avoid that. When the fix will be
>> ready *and* adopting a good design pattern for applications (e.g.
>> GUI/logic multithreading split, fusion of frequently used phone tasks
>> in monolitic one-shot load and forget applications) we may see an
>> acceptable speedy freerunner.
> When will that be? When the device is completely obsolete?
> Sorry, but after a year of waiting I still have an expensive brick that I can
> neither use as a proper phone (speaker still WAY to low, too unstable, too
> slow, too battery-hungry) nor as a PDA (no usable software available). So I
> really regret my decision to buy it. But then again, it was touted as a real
> phone for end-users back then and being a happy Linux-User for 14 years, I
> thought that I could live with some minor flaws...
> I'm really for the idea of freeing the phone (thats why I bought one), free
> hardware and the community. And I really loved to see this effort to succeed.
> But I came to realize that I start to hate this sluggish, instable device
> without good software. I cannot help it. I haven't found a single distro that
> works well out of the box. The best ones so far were QTopia/QTe and Android.
> And neither are really community efforts. So I consider my personal experiment
> (buying a community-driven phone for 300 EUR) as failed. Sorry.
just a few words. (for the first time i think its worth to say something
about negative criticism)
speaker volume: a littel low (every fr seems to be a little bit
different regarding audio) and i am one of those lucky bastards without
a buzz (depends also on the gsm network) and with volume where i can
understand everything well even out on a busy street, but i totally get
your point. tooke me month to put my alstate to perfection. i even had
to turn teh mic volume down, because othe people complained it was too
loud (overdrive). before my alsastate balancing act aoudio was crappy,
but i am totally aware of the fact that ijust got lucky.
battery life: my best experience was fdom with approx 4 days (calypso
deep sleep was still enabled and i misses only about 5 calls in one
month, again i seem to be lucky and maybe thsi aswell depends on the
network, althoug i dont really know how) freaky thing was: after
reflashing with om2008.8 i knew what the calypso deep sleep bug was...
since then battery life is about 2 days)
pda: what do you need? pilminco is does the job wonderful, but i _do_
get your point.
advertising the fr as a usable phone: that si a point where i totally
agree with you: it was advertised to be "usable" for advance
users/developers, but even if you are _THE_ code guru you cant fix teh
buzz for example.
unstable: i have to agree: my current system doesnt handel gprs well and
wlan is a kernel bug.
sluggish: OH YES! glamo was a mistake. also you do feel the missing fpu,
because there are no DSPs/external fpus. althoug i managed to watch
videos in fullscreen (320x240) with synch audio on om2008 a simple
shellscript ans some transcoding did the job (again DSP and the glam has
amp4 dsp which works like a charm, but the bandwith to the gpu(???) is
the bottleneck) but lets not concentrate on teh graphics: a slow bus
doesn make the deviec slow it just makes the display choppy, but as you
stated the software is far from finished, so everything else fels slow +
there is room for a lot of gui optimizations that would really kick in.
software in general: yes! a lot is still not runnign on openmoko phones.
i phrased this sentence, because a lot of software ust hasnt been ported
and optimized for the small screen.
long sotry short: i think you are kind of right. personally i think the
software will be reall yuser friendly and _really_ work out fo the box
when the device is oblosete. on teh other hand teh palm pre seems to be
on second place regarding openness (some people already ran a system
compiled from source with full kernel and driver support, although afaik
on versions of teh palm pre without gsm/disabled gsm).
personally i dont regret byung the fr, because it is fun to play with
and i've been able to use it as my daily phone since october last year
(2 weeks after i got it). but from what i've heard from other fr users i
am just one lucky bastard...
i get nearly all of your points, or should i say i get all of your
points to a large extend althoug i disagree at some stage.
my personal opinion about your statements: finally someone who doesnt
see everything just black and white! so for that part i am sorry you
were disappointed and for some of the points you mentioned i am still
veeery pissed at openmoko and their marketing/advertising strategy, but
the more i pissed i am at openmoko the more i am impressed of teh
community and the amazing work they did.
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