From ed at kapitein.org  Mon Jun  1 00:28:59 2009
From: ed at kapitein.org (Ed Kapitein)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:28:59 +0200
Subject: cronjobs
In-Reply-To: <47e8c68d0905310401j4e61fb6cse0cdd24b692c8483@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1243604967.15450.10.camel@lp-00079.dt01.tno.nl>	<op.uuo3cr0m1h6og4@xman.oslo.opera.com>	<4A21BF5D.4060506@kapitein.org>	<47e8c68d0905301654k65b84284ne8c3814adf2b31bc@mail.gmail.com>	<4A21DD69.5090003@kapitein.org>
	<47e8c68d0905310401j4e61fb6cse0cdd24b692c8483@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2304AB.8000409@kapitein.org>

Ben,

Than you so much, this really is what i needed.
If i have put it together with some scripts i will put it on the wiki.
This way we can wake-up our FR when a cron job is due.

Again thanks a lot.

Kind regards,
Ed

Ben Wong wrote:
> Sure, I've whipped up an example for you based on the documentation
> located here:  http://search.cpan.org/dist/Schedule-Cron/lib/Schedule/Cron.pm
>
> --Ben
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
> use Schedule::Cron;
>
> # Dummy subroutine, to make Cron constructor happy.
> sub dispatcher {
>   print "ID:   ",shift,"\n";
>   print "Args: ","@_","\n";
> }
>
> my $cron = new Schedule::Cron(\&dispatcher);
>
> # You can print out a date from a single line...
> $line='*/5 3 * * 5,6';
> print "The crontab entry '$line' will be next executed on ";
> print scalar(localtime($cron->get_next_execution_time($line)));
> print "\n\n";
>
> # ...or you can iterate through a crontab file.
> $cron->load_crontab("/etc/crontab");
>
> my @entries = $cron->list_entries();
> foreach $e (@entries) {
>     # time in original cron format, "*/5 * * * *"
>     print $$e{'time'} . "\t";
>
>     my $nexttime=$cron->get_next_execution_time($$e{'time'});
>
>     # time in seconds since the epoch
>     print $nexttime . "\t";
>
>     # time in human readable format
>     print scalar(localtime($nexttime)) . "\t";
>
>     # the rest of the line from the crontab file
>     @command = $$e{'args'};
>     print $command[0][0];
>     print "\n";
> }
>
> # END OF SCRIPT
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Ed Kapitein <ed at kapitein.org> wrote:
>   
>> Ben Wong wrote:
>>     
>>> Did  you try  $cron->get_next_execution_time($cron_entry,[$ref_time]) ?
>>>
>>> --Ben
>>>
>>>       
>> No, i had no idea i could !
>> But now that i try it i get:
>> Can't call method "get_next_execution_time" on an undefined value at
>> ./ff.pl line 11.
>>
>> Can you make an example perl script? a real simple one?
>>
>> Thanks !
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>>     
>>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Ed Kapitein <ed at kapitein.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Alexey Feldgendler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> On Fri, 29 May 2009 15:49:27 +0200, Ed Kapitein <ed at kapitein.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> i need a script/program that will read a crontab line
>>>>>> ( * * * * * some_action) and output the date and time the job will run.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone know of such a tool?
>>>>>> This way i can un-suspend the FR a few seconds prior to the start of
>>>>>> that cron job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I already made a script that sort of works, but it is limmited at best
>>>>>> and i hate to reinvent the wheel again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>> You might want to look at this:
>>>>> http://search.cpan.org/dist/Schedule-Cron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> Hi Alexey and all the others
>>>>
>>>> I did take a look at perl, but i am a real perl noob.
>>>>
>>>> This is what i have so far:
>>>>
>>>> #!/usr/bin/perl
>>>> use Config::Crontab
>>>> $event = new Config::Crontab::Event( -data => '*/5 3 * * 5,6 /bin/blech' );
>>>> print $event->minute . "\n";
>>>> print $event->hour . "\n";
>>>> print $event->dom . "\n";
>>>> print $event->datetime . "\n";
>>>> print $event->command . "\n";
>>>> print $event->dump . "\n";
>>>>
>>>> And if i run that i get:
>>>>
>>>> */5
>>>> 3
>>>> *
>>>> */5 3 * * 5,6
>>>> /bin/blech
>>>> */5 3 * * 5,6 /bin/blech
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps i am missing the obvious here.
>>>>
>>>> Is there someone out there who can make a script that can read a
>>>> crontab line and give the time and date  of the next time it will be
>>>> executed ?
>>>> output in the form:
>>>> secs_since_epoch,yyyy-mm-dd,hh:mm,command would be *great*
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks in advance,
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>>>
>>>>
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From rask at sygehus.dk  Mon Jun  1 02:43:17 2009
From: rask at sygehus.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 02:43:17 +0200
Subject: SHR testing won't boot - jffs2 error ?
In-Reply-To: <200905311045.10464.chris@csamuel.org>
References: <200905311005.45073.chris@csamuel.org>
	<200905311045.10464.chris@csamuel.org>
Message-ID: <20090601004314.GL27350@sygehus.dk>

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:45:06AM +1000, Chris Samuel wrote:

> I don't get the GC error that the full testing version gives, just three non-
> Qi related kernel messages, one about pcf50633-rtc being unable to read the 
> hardware clock

   You need to upgrade the kernel then. I see you mention 2.6.28 in another
message. You need to have a version with this patch in it:

http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=cc1663fc922c03feb0d7bbb8b18d62fbac0128de

   Likewise for the GTA01 (pcf50606-rtc):

http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=60c66130a4467ca2a2994a6e3d7d5ac63839eefb

(Symptoms of the bug are e.g. failures to read the hardware clock at the
ends and beginnings of months.)

> and two others about regulators and then it just hangs. :-(

   Try a recent 2.6.29-rc3 kernel.

-- 
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year



From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 03:07:14 2009
From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:07:14 +0700
Subject: Tichy version 1.1.0 released
In-Reply-To: <8e9327d40905310727q2a235a4aof362f4d0f29bce96@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8e9327d40905310727q2a235a4aof362f4d0f29bce96@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f8d5d4f30905311807n1fabc74djc28c4af82c278952@mail.gmail.com>

so this runs like a package over SHR? so no reflashing is needed, just
install and poke around?

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Guillaume Chereau <charlie137 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello everybody !
>
> This is the announcement for the release of tichy version 1.1.0.  This
> is the second release, coming 2 months after the first one.
>
> For those who don't know, tichy is a python applets manager aimed
> toward telephony applications. I uploaded a video [0] on youtube
> showing how the interface looks like. We can also see some
> screen-shots from the google code page [1]
>
> The release notes, with the list of changes can be seen here [2.
> Beside a lot of internal cleaning, the biggest changes are :
> - improved widget style system
> - improved PIM support
> - improved text editor
> - improved terminal application
> - added unit tests
>
> I provide a package for both debian and SHR/FSO. It has been mostly
> tested on debian, and some things may not work very well on other
> distributions.  I hope this will interest people.  I would like to
> know if any maintainers of distributions would be interested to add
> tichy into there feeds.
>
> Looking forward for comments,
>
> Cheers,
> Guillaume
>
> [0] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv8t3XtNF5w
> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tichy/
> [2] http://tichy.googlecode.com/svn/release/1.1.0/README
>
> --
> Guillaume Ch?reau
> blogs : http://charlie137.blogspot.com/, http://charlie137-2.blogspot.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 05:54:28 2009
From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:54:28 +0700
Subject: Bluetooth Keyboard for Openmoko
In-Reply-To: <A101CFA88332EB4E8E11A80983B2CE30011807C0C7@EX7FM02.ad.uky.edu>
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i just got the wired version of this keyboard. works relatively well, large
enough for two handed typing and the size is about 1.5 freerunners tall.
http://www.gizfever.com/product_info.php?products_id=737

this is the one i got:
http://www.gizfever.com/product_info.php?products_id=681
though the up arrow does not seem to function. which is nice in when using
the terminal...

im going to update the keyboard wiki page when i get back to the states in
about a week

2009/5/29 Staley, Daniel L <dlstal2 at uky.edu>

> I would recommend the iGo bluetooth keyboard.  It folds up, is super
> portable...and works great with the freerunner.
>
> http://www.supermediastore.com/igo-stowaway-ultra-slim-bluetooth-keyboard-for-pda.html
> It even has a holder that can hold the freerunner vertically or
> horizontally while you are typing.
>
> I was able to find one on ebay for pretty cheap.
>
> See a clip of me using it to chat in irc here:
> http://www.bufferunderflow.com/?entry=6
> Kind of a crappy camera job, but you get the picture.
>
> -Dan
> ________________________________________
> From: Max [max at darim.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:54 PM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth Keyboard for Openmoko
>
> ? ???, 28/05/2009 ? 13:10 +0200, Michal Brzozowski ?????:
> > Pulster is now offering a really nice bt keyboard in the OM
> > accessories. It's about the size of the FR.
>
> Can't hold myself but to actually mention that the whole point of having
> separate keyboard to my mind is to have something significantly bigger
> than FR :)
>
> cheers,
> Max.
>
>
>
>
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From charlie137 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 07:09:41 2009
From: charlie137 at gmail.com (Guillaume Chereau)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:09:41 +0800
Subject: Tichy version 1.1.0 released
In-Reply-To: <f8d5d4f30905311807n1fabc74djc28c4af82c278952@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8e9327d40905310727q2a235a4aof362f4d0f29bce96@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, tichy is *not* a distribution. It is a software. It can run on
any distribution that provides the FreesmartPhone dbus services.

Then, I mostly tried it on debian, I know there are some issues with
SHR and FSO. One of them being that the python-xlib package is
missing, and that prohibits tichy from running the terminal or media
player applets.


On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:07 AM, jeremy jozwik <jerjoz.forums at gmail.com> wrote:
> so this runs like a package over SHR? so no reflashing is needed, just
> install and poke around?
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Guillaume Chereau <charlie137 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hello everybody !
>>
>> This is the announcement for the release of tichy version 1.1.0. ?This
>> is the second release, coming 2 months after the first one.
>>
>> For those who don't know, tichy is a python applets manager aimed
>> toward telephony applications. I uploaded a video [0] on youtube
>> showing how the interface looks like. We can also see some
>> screen-shots from the google code page [1]
>>
>> The release notes, with the list of changes can be seen here [2.
>> Beside a lot of internal cleaning, the biggest changes are :
>> - improved widget style system
>> - improved PIM support
>> - improved text editor
>> - improved terminal application
>> - added unit tests
>>
>> I provide a package for both debian and SHR/FSO. It has been mostly
>> tested on debian, and some things may not work very well on other
>> distributions. ?I hope this will interest people. ?I would like to
>> know if any maintainers of distributions would be interested to add
>> tichy into there feeds.
>>
>> Looking forward for comments,
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume
>>
>> [0] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv8t3XtNF5w
>> [1] http://code.google.com/p/tichy/
>> [2] http://tichy.googlecode.com/svn/release/1.1.0/README
>>
>> --
>> Guillaume Ch?reau
>> blogs : http://charlie137.blogspot.com/, http://charlie137-2.blogspot.com/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>



-- 
Guillaume Ch?reau
blogs : http://charlie137.blogspot.com/, http://charlie137-2.blogspot.com/



From max at darim.com  Mon Jun  1 07:37:31 2009
From: max at darim.com (Max)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:37:31 +0700
Subject: usb0 vs eth0
Message-ID: <1243834651.5778.36.camel@x-desk>

Hello.

When I plug FR it appears as eth0 instead of usb0.
According to http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/ I have to "set the local
assignment bit, 0x02 in the first octet, to ensure it still uses a name
like usb0 not eth0".

Do you know what does it mean?
I'd like FR to always appear as usb0 so it wouldn't interfere with real
ethernet interfaces.

thanks,
Max. 




From fercerpav at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 08:29:21 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:29:21 +0400
Subject: usb0 vs eth0
In-Reply-To: <1243834651.5778.36.camel@x-desk> (max@darim.com's message of
	"Mon\, 01 Jun 2009 12\:37\:31 +0700")
References: <1243834651.5778.36.camel@x-desk>
Message-ID: <m2tz30lb5q.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

Max <max at darim.com> writes:
> When I plug FR it appears as eth0 instead of usb0.
> According to http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/ I have to "set the local
> assignment bit, 0x02 in the first octet, to ensure it still uses a name
> like usb0 not eth0".

It's on purpose and it's damn right. Search the archives. If you want
some kind of interface renaming for whatever reason, write an
appropriate udev rule.

-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com



From steve at openmoko.com  Mon Jun  1 08:33:06 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 23:33:06 -0700
Subject: Debuzzing
In-Reply-To: <1243804968876-3003344.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <A5E128F4-F844-4FD0-9B4B-8E30422BE843@computer.org>	<200905291047.18880.neurolabs@web.de>
	<1243804968876-3003344.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A237622.9090901@openmoko>

Joerg, Dr. N and I have been discussing this. There is no need for the 
HWD fix of 1024 as there is a software fix.
The hwdware fix of 1024  would require much more work than the 
debuzzing. Joerg recommends against it.
I would agree.  I can have him come on here and explain. Even if the fix 
were required we would still have
to do a lot of work before it could be fielded. So, dont wait. get your 
phone buzz fixed and use the software fix
for 1024. A hardware fix is not likely.

Tha_Man wrote:
>
> Ole Langbehn wrote:
>   
>> Hello Nikolaus,
>>
>> what are the odds of including the hw fix for bug #1024 (oscillating 
>> recamping) into the procedure once it's official (or even before that)? 
>> I'm trying to decide if I wait a little bit more with sending in my FR to 
>> squash both issues at the same time.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -- 
>>
>>     
> This is a good question, I'm wondering the same thing: is there a chance
> Golden Delicious Computers will offer a fix to bug #1024 within a few weeks
> and if so, will it be possible to send in your FR and have both bugs fixed
> at the same time?
>
> I'm considering sending my FR in for the debuzzing fix, but the latter case
> would obviously have my preference :-)
>
> Kind regards,
> Jeroen a.k.a. Tha_Man
>   




From billk at iinet.net.au  Mon Jun  1 08:46:19 2009
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:46:19 +0800
Subject: [Om2009] a community effort
In-Reply-To: <20090531141524.GI3994@home.pavel.comp>
References: <4A0E795A.5050203@kw.nl> <4A140706.8010000@kw.nl>
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	<4A1E8122.9080407@kw.nl>
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	<20090528170300.GC4442@roque.1407.org>
	<d3e504410905281107s5d8bd910mc8a3e4affb4e1543@mail.gmail.com>
	<1243731037.24892.2.camel@rattus> <m2ab4tn5o4.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
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	<20090531141524.GI3994@home.pavel.comp>
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On Sun, 2009-05-31 at 18:15 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote:
> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 03:47:04PM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
...
> 
> Look at AUX led. Enable whichever loglevel for kernel you like. Boot a
> minimal kernel that will boot really fast.
> 
> Not a bootloader problem.
> 

I probably have not been clear enough - if the bootloader exits (as it
was doing to me silently), you can go along blithely thinking that the
phone was booted and working but it wasn't so I missed an important
call.

The problem is that Qi doesnt give ANY feedback to a user, its always a
worry - is it or isnt it booting?  Granted that you can overide to force
feedback, but then why not use uboot which has proven reliable AND tells
the user that something is happening faster than Qi will boot when in
debug mode (so I presume from my memories of trying to test/time this).
I am not talking about kernel boot messages, but "something" every 10-15
seconds to reassure the user.

I have used a number of cheap mobiles, a treo650.  Thfamily have a range
of mobiles up to an N95.  I have used quite a number of linux versions
over the years - none, absolutely none including windows tells the user
nothing like Qi does.  That if nothing else should tell how wrong Qi's
operation is.

and the clincher for me was that the gain using Qi (faster booting)
didnt seem very much ... so why use it all?  It just seems like more NIH
syndrome.  Again, I can only remember Andy saying he didnt like uboot,
hence Qi, and Qi was going to be so much faster ...

BillK





From rms at 1407.org  Mon Jun  1 09:06:40 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:06:40 +0100
Subject: [Om2009] a community effort
In-Reply-To: <1243838780.15075.35.camel@rattus>
References: <d3e504410905200811n4008ba09m91d50365aa9d9094@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A1E8122.9080407@kw.nl>
	<c30e08170905280803q7fd60890u2b06d7f384414b10@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090528170300.GC4442@roque.1407.org>
	<d3e504410905281107s5d8bd910mc8a3e4affb4e1543@mail.gmail.com>
	<1243731037.24892.2.camel@rattus> <m2ab4tn5o4.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
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Message-ID: <20090601070640.GF4479@roque.1407.org>

On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 02:46:19PM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
> and the clincher for me was that the gain using Qi (faster booting)
> didnt seem very much ... so why use it all?

There's also a much faster recover from suspend.

Rui



From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 09:07:24 2009
From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:07:24 +0700
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.18
In-Reply-To: <1243491593948-2985771.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1243250505215-2969146.post@n2.nabble.com>
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c_c, if you get no reply from him let me know. making pritty things is about
all i can do for the openmoko community at the moment.

but youll have to wait a bit as im on vacation 180* around the globe from my
home. but id be very interested in making some things for this and intone

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:19 PM, c_c <cchandel at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Hi,
> @ Warren Baird - Hey I saw that you're a digital artist. Can you contribute
> some wallpapers? :-) Just a thought.
>
>
>
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From raster at rasterman.com  Mon Jun  1 09:21:15 2009
From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman))
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:21:15 +1000
Subject: Om2009 testing release 4
In-Reply-To: <20090525162008.GG18711@roque.1407.org>
References: <200905211334.48701.nytowl@openmoko.org>
	<47e8c68d0905221738o754a4f25q674a378901ef806@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A17DE47.3080304@everlasting.be> <4A191774.4090805@everlasting.be>
	<b66a83e00905241414x713eacadp92788fb075d50bdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090524211955.GE4757@roque.1407.org>
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On Mon, 25 May 2009 17:20:08 +0100 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org> said:

> I'm sure it's not, AFAICT (since I don't know Parloi's internals) it doesn't
> touch anything Paroli or anything related to calls.
> 
> As for your problem with landscape vs portrait positions and GUIs... well,
> that's a problem that's not easy to solve unless all applications pay
> attention to a specific dbus signal which omnewrotate will send in the future.
> 
> This signal can be used by apps so they adjust their UI according to the
> display mode, but other than that, they all think they're in the same
> position.

no dbus signals needed. when x rotates,you'll get a configurenotify on root AND
an XRRScreenChangeNotifyEvent event (on root). These will also tell you your
orientation and new size. The WM, if smart, will resize your app window anyway,
so all you really need to do is, on resize, query x for the orientation, if
orientation matters. if it doesn't just adjusting to the new size is what you
should be doing anyway.


-- 
------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" --------------
The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)    raster at rasterman.com




From fercerpav at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 09:23:20 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:23:20 +0400
Subject: Qi UI (was: Re: [Om2009] a community effort)
In-Reply-To: <1243838780.15075.35.camel@rattus> (William Kenworthy's message
	of "Mon\, 01 Jun 2009 14\:46\:19 +0800")
References: <4A0E795A.5050203@kw.nl> <4A140706.8010000@kw.nl>
	<d3e504410905200811n4008ba09m91d50365aa9d9094@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A1E8122.9080407@kw.nl>
	<c30e08170905280803q7fd60890u2b06d7f384414b10@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090528170300.GC4442@roque.1407.org>
	<d3e504410905281107s5d8bd910mc8a3e4affb4e1543@mail.gmail.com>
	<1243731037.24892.2.camel@rattus> <m2ab4tn5o4.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<1243756024.24892.19.camel@rattus>
	<20090531141524.GI3994@home.pavel.comp>
	<1243838780.15075.35.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <m2prdol8nr.fsf_-_@home.pavel.comp>

William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> writes:
> On Sun, 2009-05-31 at 18:15 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote:
>> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 03:47:04PM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
> ...
>> 
>> Look at AUX led. Enable whichever loglevel for kernel you like. Boot a
>> minimal kernel that will boot really fast.
>> 
>> Not a bootloader problem.
>> 
>
> I probably have not been clear enough - if the bootloader exits (as it
> was doing to me silently), you can go along blithely thinking that the
> phone was booted and working but it wasn't so I missed an important
> call.

No. Qi never (except when the battery is deeply discharged or on gta01
that lacks leds and vibrator) silently exits.

> The problem is that Qi doesnt give ANY feedback to a user, its always a
> worry - is it or isnt it booting? 

That's obviously not true. Read again about AUX led and vibrator
feedback.

> Granted that you can overide to force feedback

No, the feedback provided by Qi is always present and always identical
(unless you have a very discharged battery, in this case feedback is
disabled).

> but then why not use uboot which has proven reliable AND tells the
> user that something is happening faster than Qi will boot when in
> debug mode (so I presume from my memories of trying to test/time
> this).  I am not talking about kernel boot messages, but "something"
> every 10-15 seconds to reassure the user.

Qi takes about 2 seconds to boot the kernel. After that it can do
_nothing_ "to reassure the user" because the control is transfered to
the kernel. The same with u-boot.

> I have used a number of cheap mobiles, a treo650.  Thfamily have a range
> of mobiles up to an N95.  I have used quite a number of linux versions
> over the years - none, absolutely none including windows tells the user
> nothing like Qi does.  That if nothing else should tell how wrong Qi's
> operation is.

You use Qi only for 2-3 seconds on boot. And it provides feedback
during that time. Period.

> syndrome.  Again, I can only remember Andy saying he didnt like uboot,
> hence Qi, and Qi was going to be so much faster ...

If you like u-boot, go ahead, hack on u-boot. But don't think that
someone else must do that for you.

-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com



From ike at szluug.org  Mon Jun  1 09:34:01 2009
From: ike at szluug.org (=?UTF-8?B?TGVjaCBLYXJvbCBQYXfFgmFzemVr?=)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:34:01 +0200
Subject: Debuzzing
In-Reply-To: <4A237622.9090901@openmoko>
References: <A5E128F4-F844-4FD0-9B4B-8E30422BE843@computer.org>	<200905291047.18880.neurolabs@web.de>	<1243804968876-3003344.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4A237622.9090901@openmoko>
Message-ID: <4A238469.7080409@szluug.org>

Steve Mosher wrote:
> Joerg, Dr. N and I have been discussing this. There is no need for the 
> HWD fix of 1024 as there is a software fix.
> The hwdware fix of 1024  would require much more work than the 
> debuzzing. Joerg recommends against it.
> I would agree.  I can have him come on here and explain. Even if the fix 
> were required we would still have
> to do a lot of work before it could be fielded. So, dont wait. get your 
> phone buzz fixed and use the software fix
> for 1024. A hardware fix is not likely.

Oh. You probably mean this:

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2009-May/001208.html

;-) I don't know how I've missed that mail. So no need to make Joerg
come here. Thanks.

I'll send my FR for debuzzing.

Kind regards,

-- 
Lech Karol Paw?aszek <ike>
"You will never see me fall from grace" [KoRn]



From rms at 1407.org  Mon Jun  1 10:10:41 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:10:41 +0100
Subject: Om2009 testing release 4
In-Reply-To: <20090601172115.40417a87.raster@rasterman.com>
References: <200905211334.48701.nytowl@openmoko.org>
	<47e8c68d0905221738o754a4f25q674a378901ef806@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A17DE47.3080304@everlasting.be> <4A191774.4090805@everlasting.be>
	<b66a83e00905241414x713eacadp92788fb075d50bdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090524211955.GE4757@roque.1407.org>
	<b66a83e00905250908x3682c6dkb9351b4ff90644ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090525162008.GG18711@roque.1407.org>
	<20090601172115.40417a87.raster@rasterman.com>
Message-ID: <20090601081041.GH4479@roque.1407.org>

On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 05:21:15PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> On Mon, 25 May 2009 17:20:08 +0100 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org> said:
> 
> > I'm sure it's not, AFAICT (since I don't know Parloi's internals) it doesn't
> > touch anything Paroli or anything related to calls.
> > 
> > As for your problem with landscape vs portrait positions and GUIs... well,
> > that's a problem that's not easy to solve unless all applications pay
> > attention to a specific dbus signal which omnewrotate will send in the future.
> > 
> > This signal can be used by apps so they adjust their UI according to the
> > display mode, but other than that, they all think they're in the same
> > position.
> 
> no dbus signals needed. when x rotates,you'll get a configurenotify on root AND
> an XRRScreenChangeNotifyEvent event (on root). These will also tell you your
> orientation and new size. The WM, if smart, will resize your app window anyway,
> so all you really need to do is, on resize, query x for the orientation, if
> orientation matters. if it doesn't just adjusting to the new size is what you
> should be doing anyway.

Ah... so applicaitons like, say, paroli, mokomaze, etc... need to pay attention
to XRRScreenChangeNotifyEvent ?

Rui



From chris at csamuel.org  Mon Jun  1 10:47:00 2009
From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:47:00 +1000
Subject: SHR testing won't boot - jffs2 error ?
In-Reply-To: <20090601004314.GL27350@sygehus.dk>
References: <200905311005.45073.chris@csamuel.org>
	<200905311045.10464.chris@csamuel.org>
	<20090601004314.GL27350@sygehus.dk>
Message-ID: <200906011847.03538.chris@csamuel.org>

On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:43:17 am Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote:

> You need to upgrade the kernel then.

Is this one not the right one ?

http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-om-gta02-
latest.bin

> I see you mention 2.6.28 in another message.

That was about Om2009..

cheers,
Chris
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From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Mon Jun  1 10:46:54 2009
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:46:54 +0200
Subject: Debuzzing
In-Reply-To: <4A237622.9090901@openmoko>
References: <A5E128F4-F844-4FD0-9B4B-8E30422BE843@computer.org>
	<200905291047.18880.neurolabs@web.de>
	<1243804968876-3003344.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A237622.9090901@openmoko>
Message-ID: <op.uut70gua41evsb@ginguppin>

> as there is a software fix.

imo it is still a workaround, not a fix.
and standby time jumping up 25% looks a lot to me.



From ben at abcom.co.nz  Mon Jun  1 11:06:15 2009
From: ben at abcom.co.nz (Ben Wilson)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:06:15 +1200
Subject: GTA01 SHR Image, anyone have a good one?
Message-ID: <4A239A07.2000601@abcom.co.nz>

Hi

I've been using SHR on my gta01 for a while as my everyday phone.
Recently I decided to try the latest testing/unstable images and ran 
into problems.

I'd like to move back to an earlier version so I can keep using my phone 
but unfortunately I deleted the old
image that I was using.

So does anyone out there with a GTA01 have a good SHR image I could grab?
Or maybe there's an archive of old images that I'm unaware of?

Thanks,

Ben.





From raster at rasterman.com  Mon Jun  1 11:24:22 2009
From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman))
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:24:22 +1000
Subject: Om2009 testing release 4
In-Reply-To: <20090601081041.GH4479@roque.1407.org>
References: <200905211334.48701.nytowl@openmoko.org>
	<47e8c68d0905221738o754a4f25q674a378901ef806@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A17DE47.3080304@everlasting.be> <4A191774.4090805@everlasting.be>
	<b66a83e00905241414x713eacadp92788fb075d50bdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090524211955.GE4757@roque.1407.org>
	<b66a83e00905250908x3682c6dkb9351b4ff90644ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090525162008.GG18711@roque.1407.org>
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On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:10:41 +0100 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org> said:

> On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 05:21:15PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> > On Mon, 25 May 2009 17:20:08 +0100 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org>
> > said:
> > 
> > > I'm sure it's not, AFAICT (since I don't know Parloi's internals) it
> > > doesn't touch anything Paroli or anything related to calls.
> > > 
> > > As for your problem with landscape vs portrait positions and GUIs... well,
> > > that's a problem that's not easy to solve unless all applications pay
> > > attention to a specific dbus signal which omnewrotate will send in the
> > > future.
> > > 
> > > This signal can be used by apps so they adjust their UI according to the
> > > display mode, but other than that, they all think they're in the same
> > > position.
> > 
> > no dbus signals needed. when x rotates,you'll get a configurenotify on root
> > AND an XRRScreenChangeNotifyEvent event (on root). These will also tell you
> > your orientation and new size. The WM, if smart, will resize your app
> > window anyway, so all you really need to do is, on resize, query x for the
> > orientation, if orientation matters. if it doesn't just adjusting to the
> > new size is what you should be doing anyway.
> 
> Ah... so applicaitons like, say, paroli, mokomaze, etc... need to pay
> attention to XRRScreenChangeNotifyEvent ?

well they dont HAVE to - they simply should adjust to a new size (640x480 as
opposed to 480x640). that is already done for them (if under a window manager
that is sensible). they will get resized. if you want to do something SPECIAL
when in a particular rotation other than just adjust to the new size (i
generally would advise this as a bad idea - in he case of the freerunner, i see
no good reason to do anything special as there are no particular
markings/buttons around the screen you may want to specially have your ui
adjust to their new location relative to the pixels on the screen).

as paroli is in python - there isn't much it can do. the python bindings, as
best i know, don't export the Ecore_X_Event_Screen_Change,
Ecore_X_Event_Randr_Crtc_Change, Ecore_X_Event_Randr_Output_Change and
Ecore_X_Event_Randr_Output_Property_Notify events (these are more than you need
though - you only need the first, the other 3 are for xrandr1.3+ where you can
get events based on new outputs being added/removed (eg plug in an external
monitor to a laptop). also other function calls to query:
ecore_x_randr_screen_rotations_get(), ecore_x_randr_screen_rotation_get() etc.
etc.

so again - the only reasons i could think of for ACTUALLY wanting to know
rotation (other than adjust to screen size change) are:

1. external input like camera image needs rotating (as the camera just rotated
and the screen pixels did so you need to rotate the camera image back, but no
camera on freerunner)
2. you have some special markers/buttons around the screen that you have
buttons/indicators referring to these. (not on freerunner)

other than that window resize events are all you need (and if you need a new
custom layout - then choose it based on window size, not on rotation, as now
you also work in devices with landscape displays - eg n800).


-- 
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The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)    raster at rasterman.com




From chris at csamuel.org  Mon Jun  1 11:38:08 2009
From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:38:08 +1000
Subject: [Om2009] a community effort
In-Reply-To: <20090531111730.GA4479@roque.1407.org>
References: <4A0E5F8B.1050908@openmoko.org>
	<d3e504410905310009g7daebfbdh2ec951e6397f66c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090531111730.GA4479@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <200906011938.11883.chris@csamuel.org>

On Sun, 31 May 2009 09:17:30 pm Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:

> Also: suspend is working much more reliably ever since the upgrade to Qi,
> so far I've only had to reboot because of that damn bug where suspend stops
> and no calls are doable (in and out).

Yeah, for me that happens whenever I get an incoming call (answered or 
missed). :-(

-- 
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From fercerpav at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 11:45:12 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:45:12 +0400
Subject: [Om2009] a community effort
In-Reply-To: <200906011938.11883.chris@csamuel.org> (Chris Samuel's message of
	"Mon\, 1 Jun 2009 19\:38\:08 +1000")
References: <4A0E5F8B.1050908@openmoko.org>
	<d3e504410905310009g7daebfbdh2ec951e6397f66c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090531111730.GA4479@roque.1407.org>
	<200906011938.11883.chris@csamuel.org>
Message-ID: <m2ljocl23b.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

Chris Samuel <chris at csamuel.org> writes:
> On Sun, 31 May 2009 09:17:30 pm Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
>> Also: suspend is working much more reliably ever since the upgrade to Qi,
>> so far I've only had to reboot because of that damn bug where suspend stops
>> and no calls are doable (in and out).
>
> Yeah, for me that happens whenever I get an incoming call (answered or 
> missed). :-(

As a temporary workaround (on Debian) i use this:

pkill zhone
/etc/init.d/fso-frameworkd stop
pkill -f frameworkd
pkill -f gsm0710
sleep 7
/etc/init.d/fso-frameworkd start
zhone &

Not sure if all the delays and actions are needed, it's anyway much
faster than rebooting.

HTH
-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com



From rms at 1407.org  Mon Jun  1 11:59:00 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:59:00 +0100
Subject: Om2009 testing release 4
In-Reply-To: <20090601192422.cae95e96.raster@rasterman.com>
References: <47e8c68d0905221738o754a4f25q674a378901ef806@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A17DE47.3080304@everlasting.be> <4A191774.4090805@everlasting.be>
	<b66a83e00905241414x713eacadp92788fb075d50bdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090524211955.GE4757@roque.1407.org>
	<b66a83e00905250908x3682c6dkb9351b4ff90644ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090525162008.GG18711@roque.1407.org>
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	<20090601081041.GH4479@roque.1407.org>
	<20090601192422.cae95e96.raster@rasterman.com>
Message-ID: <20090601095900.GA8448@roque.1407.org>

On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 07:24:22PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:10:41 +0100 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org> said:
> > On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 05:21:15PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> > > On Mon, 25 May 2009 17:20:08 +0100 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org>
> > > said:
> > > 
> > > > I'm sure it's not, AFAICT (since I don't know Parloi's internals) it
> > > > doesn't touch anything Paroli or anything related to calls.
> > > > 
> > > > As for your problem with landscape vs portrait positions and GUIs... well,
> > > > that's a problem that's not easy to solve unless all applications pay
> > > > attention to a specific dbus signal which omnewrotate will send in the
> > > > future.
> > > > 
> > > > This signal can be used by apps so they adjust their UI according to the
> > > > display mode, but other than that, they all think they're in the same
> > > > position.
> > > 
> > > no dbus signals needed. when x rotates,you'll get a configurenotify on root
> > > AND an XRRScreenChangeNotifyEvent event (on root). These will also tell you
> > > your orientation and new size. The WM, if smart, will resize your app
> > > window anyway, so all you really need to do is, on resize, query x for the
> > > orientation, if orientation matters. if it doesn't just adjusting to the
> > > new size is what you should be doing anyway.
> > 
> > Ah... so applicaitons like, say, paroli, mokomaze, etc... need to pay
> > attention to XRRScreenChangeNotifyEvent ?
> 
> well they dont HAVE to - they simply should adjust to a new size (640x480 as
> opposed to 480x640). that is already done for them (if under a window manager
> that is sensible). they will get resized.

My experience is that most applications become almost unusable because things are
simply compressed beyond what is usable, so they need to do something themselves.

Merely having the interface scaled down doesn't seem to work well enough (to me).

Rui



From rms at 1407.org  Mon Jun  1 12:12:41 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:12:41 +0100
Subject: Om2009 testing release 4
In-Reply-To: <20090601095900.GA8448@roque.1407.org>
References: <4A17DE47.3080304@everlasting.be> <4A191774.4090805@everlasting.be>
	<b66a83e00905241414x713eacadp92788fb075d50bdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090524211955.GE4757@roque.1407.org>
	<b66a83e00905250908x3682c6dkb9351b4ff90644ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090525162008.GG18711@roque.1407.org>
	<20090601172115.40417a87.raster@rasterman.com>
	<20090601081041.GH4479@roque.1407.org>
	<20090601192422.cae95e96.raster@rasterman.com>
	<20090601095900.GA8448@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <20090601101241.GB8448@roque.1407.org>

On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 10:59:00AM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 07:24:22PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> > On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:10:41 +0100 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org> said:
> > > On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 05:21:15PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 25 May 2009 17:20:08 +0100 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org>
> > > > said:
> > > > 
> > > > > I'm sure it's not, AFAICT (since I don't know Parloi's internals) it
> > > > > doesn't touch anything Paroli or anything related to calls.
> > > > > 
> > > > > As for your problem with landscape vs portrait positions and GUIs... well,
> > > > > that's a problem that's not easy to solve unless all applications pay
> > > > > attention to a specific dbus signal which omnewrotate will send in the
> > > > > future.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This signal can be used by apps so they adjust their UI according to the
> > > > > display mode, but other than that, they all think they're in the same
> > > > > position.
> > > > 
> > > > no dbus signals needed. when x rotates,you'll get a configurenotify on root
> > > > AND an XRRScreenChangeNotifyEvent event (on root). These will also tell you
> > > > your orientation and new size. The WM, if smart, will resize your app
> > > > window anyway, so all you really need to do is, on resize, query x for the
> > > > orientation, if orientation matters. if it doesn't just adjusting to the
> > > > new size is what you should be doing anyway.
> > > 
> > > Ah... so applicaitons like, say, paroli, mokomaze, etc... need to pay
> > > attention to XRRScreenChangeNotifyEvent ?
> > 
> > well they dont HAVE to - they simply should adjust to a new size (640x480 as
> > opposed to 480x640). that is already done for them (if under a window manager
> > that is sensible). they will get resized.
> 
> My experience is that most applications become almost unusable because things are
> simply compressed beyond what is usable, so they need to do something themselves.
> 
> Merely having the interface scaled down doesn't seem to work well enough (to me).

Example:

http://files.1407.org/2009/06/01/paroli_is_borked_on_landscape.jpg

Rui



From chris at csamuel.org  Mon Jun  1 12:26:49 2009
From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:26:49 +1000
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
Message-ID: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>

Hi folks,

Am I right in thinking that if you are using Qi and have flashed a JFFS2 image 
to your NAND which has a /boot with a kernel in it then it will boot that 
kernel in preference to the one that you have flashed directly with dfu-util ?

cheers,
Chris
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From cchandel at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  1 12:32:35 2009
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 03:32:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.18
In-Reply-To: <f8d5d4f30906010007i63593cecs95e1f1823aec48f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1243250505215-2969146.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<200905252208.48218.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<1243302658564-2972512.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<200905270938.17242.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<1243432013254-2981136.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1243434162301-2981391.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<d3e504410905270814w661bf65bgdf7b2b55959ae3b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00905271009u4102f924te1c91199198443fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1243491593948-2985771.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<f8d5d4f30906010007i63593cecs95e1f1823aec48f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1243852355191-3005537.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,

jeremy jozwik wrote:
> 
> c_c, if you get no reply from him let me know. making pritty things is
> about
> all i can do for the openmoko community at the moment.
> but youll have to wait a bit as im on vacation 180* around the globe from
> my
> home. but id be very interested in making some things for this and intone
> 
 Sure. I'd be happy to receive help for the artwork. Things I can think of
Immediately are :-
 
  * wallpapers for launcher
  * icons for launcher (basically for the categories in the toolbar)
  * button symbols for intone and e-tasks
 
  Whatever you can think of is welcome.
 
  I've been travelling myself and will be back probably by the 4th. And I've
managed to leave my freerunners usb cable back home. Hence no updates (till
I buy another one).

  I have got the toolbar working at the bottom of the screen - and the icons
are now icons - so they should be transparent too.

  Will be releasing soon.
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From kichkasch at gmx.de  Mon Jun  1 12:55:31 2009
From: kichkasch at gmx.de (Michael Pilgermann)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:55:31 +0200
Subject: PISI 0.2 released
In-Reply-To: <9e7398030905030409q2d4a4e70x9d6e421e416daebd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090407090749.98220@gmx.net> <49FCD52B.7070000@gmx.de>
	<9e7398030905030409q2d4a4e70x9d6e421e416daebd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A23B3A3.4090700@gmx.de>

Richy,

I assembled a new package for vobject (as well for gdata and dateutil)
and uploaded them to opkg.
Besides the Python 2.5 parts they also include the Python 2.6 packages now.

If you update, please let me know, whether this working for you ...
greetings
Mike

Richy wrote:
> I tried this on shr-testing but I get:
> 
>     root at om-gta02 ~/.pisi $ pisigui
>     Traceback (most recent call last):
>       File "/bin/pisigui", line 31, in <module>
>         import pisi
>       File "/opt/pisi/pisi.py", line 31, in <module>
>         from events import events,  eventsSync
>       File "/opt/pisi/events/events.py", line 22, in <module>
>         import vobject
>     ImportError: No module named vobject
> 
> 
>  Maybe this is python-2.6 related?
> 
> 
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> 
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From hns at computer.org  Mon Jun  1 13:02:34 2009
From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:02:34 +0200
Subject: Debuzzing
In-Reply-To: <op.uut70gua41evsb@ginguppin>
References: <A5E128F4-F844-4FD0-9B4B-8E30422BE843@computer.org>
	<200905291047.18880.neurolabs@web.de>
	<1243804968876-3003344.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4A237622.9090901@openmoko> <op.uut70gua41evsb@ginguppin>
Message-ID: <10603FB0-8DF0-4169-A888-D7D6E20F05F0@computer.org>


Am 01.06.2009 um 10:46 schrieb arne anka:

>> as there is a software fix.
>
> imo it is still a workaround, not a fix.

For the GSM-Buzz there was not even a SW workaround for those who have  
been affected. So it had to be fixed.

We have estimated that reworking the #1024 is at least 4 times as  
expensive (because it is done manually and needs much more time to  
open the GSM shield; how testing could work is also unclear).
Therefore, we decided not to offer it as a rework service (since there  
*is* a solution available).

> and standby time jumping up 25% looks a lot to me.


If you find a way to DIY to gain these 25%, please share with us.

Nikolaus



From fercerpav at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 13:09:02 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:09:02 +0400
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org> (Chris Samuel's message of
	"Mon\, 1 Jun 2009 20\:26\:49 +1000")
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
Message-ID: <m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

Chris Samuel <chris at csamuel.org> writes:
> Am I right in thinking that if you are using Qi and have flashed a JFFS2 image 
> to your NAND which has a /boot with a kernel in it then it will boot that 
> kernel in preference to the one that you have flashed directly with
> dfu-util ?

No, Qi doesn't support jffs2.

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From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Mon Jun  1 13:14:53 2009
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:14:53 +0200
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin>

> No, Qi doesn't support jffs2.

bummer.
how's that -- it makes qi unusable for everybody using the internal flash  
as "primary device" and forces to boot from sd card.
not sensible imo.





From fercerpav at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 13:16:10 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:16:10 +0400
Subject: Debuzzing
In-Reply-To: <10603FB0-8DF0-4169-A888-D7D6E20F05F0@computer.org> (H. Nikolaus
	Schaller's message of "Mon\, 1 Jun 2009 13\:02\:34 +0200")
References: <A5E128F4-F844-4FD0-9B4B-8E30422BE843@computer.org>
	<200905291047.18880.neurolabs@web.de>
	<1243804968876-3003344.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A237622.9090901@openmoko>
	<op.uut70gua41evsb@ginguppin>
	<10603FB0-8DF0-4169-A888-D7D6E20F05F0@computer.org>
Message-ID: <m2d49okxvp.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

"Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns at computer.org> writes:
>> and standby time jumping up 25% looks a lot to me.
>
> If you find a way to DIY to gain these 25%, please share with us.

In fact overall time required for hand rework is roughly equal for
both buzz and #1024 fixes. If one has already dismounted the can
(quite easy if one is careful) then changing that particular capacitor
is not a problem at all for a skilled person, it's SMT0805 size, big
enough comparing to 0402 R and it's very conveniently located.

This is for purely informational purposes for DIY-ers, i'm not
recommending any distributors to offer this rework, quite the
opposite.

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From fercerpav at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 13:22:18 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:22:18 +0400
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin> (arne anka's message of "Mon\,
	01 Jun 2009 13\:14\:53 +0200")
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin>
Message-ID: <m28wkckxlh.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

"arne anka" <openmoko at ginguppin.de> writes:
>> No, Qi doesn't support jffs2.
>
> bummer.
> how's that -- it makes qi unusable for everybody using the internal flash  
> as "primary device" and forces to boot from sd card.
> not sensible imo.

How's that? Why don't you want to use the kernel flashed to dedicated
nand partition?

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From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Mon Jun  1 13:26:03 2009
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:26:03 +0200
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <m28wkckxlh.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin>
	<m28wkckxlh.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <op.uuufdpev41evsb@ginguppin>

>>> No, Qi doesn't support jffs2.
>>
>> bummer.
>> how's that -- it makes qi unusable for everybody using the internal  
>> flash
>> as "primary device" and forces to boot from sd card.
>> not sensible imo.
>
> How's that? Why don't you want to use the kernel flashed to dedicated
> nand partition?


as far as i understood from the qi discussions, qi does not use that  
partition but looks for a specific file in a specific location, make the  
kernel nand partition unnecessary.
so, if it can't read jffs2, one cannot boot from flash.





From fercerpav at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 13:28:12 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:28:12 +0400
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <op.uuufdpev41evsb@ginguppin> (arne anka's message of "Mon\,
	01 Jun 2009 13\:26\:03 +0200")
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin>
	<m28wkckxlh.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuufdpev41evsb@ginguppin>
Message-ID: <m24ov0kxbn.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

"arne anka" <openmoko at ginguppin.de> writes:
> as far as i understood from the qi discussions, qi does not use that  
> partition but looks for a specific file in a specific location, make the  
> kernel nand partition unnecessary.
> so, if it can't read jffs2, one cannot boot from flash.

You should have read Qi wiki page or Qi source code instead.

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From hariseldon78 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 13:32:17 2009
From: hariseldon78 at gmail.com (roby)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:32:17 +0200
Subject: usb0 vs eth0
In-Reply-To: <m2tz30lb5q.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <1243834651.5778.36.camel@x-desk> <m2tz30lb5q.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <aee831ab0906010432v5ac5eea3ja260ae7d17c3bae4@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Paul Fertser <fercerpav at gmail.com> wrote:

> Max <max at darim.com> writes:
> > When I plug FR it appears as eth0 instead of usb0.
> It's on purpose and it's damn right. Search the archives. If you want
> some kind of interface renaming for whatever reason, write an
> appropriate udev rule.
>

Everybody saying that it's right, but nobody explaining how to use it..
the problem is that it's not so simple to write an udev interface renaming
rule because i don't know which interface udev will assign to the neo.. for
example when i connect it i get eth1, suddenly renamed to eth7 by udev, but
am i sure it will always get eth7?
The page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking explain how to setup
nat and routing, but all the examples use usb0. The problem is that each
different udev installation will assign a possibly different interface name
to the neo, so what should one do? setup nat and routing for all the
interfaces being attached? seems strange.. I just would like to see an
example, because it's not clear to me, and i think for many like me..

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From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Mon Jun  1 13:32:36 2009
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:32:36 +0200
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <m24ov0kxbn.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin>
	<m28wkckxlh.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuufdpev41evsb@ginguppin>
	<m24ov0kxbn.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <op.uuufomb541evsb@ginguppin>

> You should have read Qi wiki page or Qi source code instead.

well, i follow the discussion on the lists a long time.
if that kind of information is not worth to be mentioned, i certainly do  
not expect it to be mentioned in either wiki or code.

would you please stop, to cc me always and instead reply to the list as  
everybody else does?





From fercerpav at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 13:37:56 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:37:56 +0400
Subject: usb0 vs eth0
In-Reply-To: <aee831ab0906010432v5ac5eea3ja260ae7d17c3bae4@mail.gmail.com>
	(roby's message of "Mon\, 1 Jun 2009 13\:32\:17 +0200")
References: <1243834651.5778.36.camel@x-desk> <m2tz30lb5q.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<aee831ab0906010432v5ac5eea3ja260ae7d17c3bae4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m2zlcsjiaz.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

roby <hariseldon78 at gmail.com> writes:
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Paul Fertser <fercerpav at gmail.com> wrote:
>     Max <max at darim.com> writes:
>     > When I plug FR it appears as eth0 instead of usb0.
>     It's on purpose and it's damn right. Search the archives. If you want
>     some kind of interface renaming for whatever reason, write an
>     appropriate udev rule.
>
> Everybody saying that it's right, but nobody explaining how to use
> it..  the problem is that it's not so simple to write an udev
> interface renaming rule because i don't know which interface udev
> will assign to the neo.. for example when i connect it i get eth1,
> suddenly renamed to eth7 by udev, but am i sure it will always get
> eth7?

Yes, you're sure. As long as you don't touch udev. It's the same as
with pci ethernet boards. Once you plugged it in, you'll have a
persintent name for it no matter what unless you erase/alter your udev
configuration.

> The page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking explain how to
> setup nat and routing, but all the examples use usb0. The problem is
> that each different udev installation will assign a possibly
> different interface name to the neo, so what should one do?

So what? You just substitute the interface assigned to freerunner
instead of usb0 in all the examples, i can't see a problem.

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From chris at csamuel.org  Mon Jun  1 13:43:46 2009
From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:43:46 +1000
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <200906012143.49838.chris@csamuel.org>

On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:09:02 pm Paul Fertser wrote:

> No, Qi doesn't support jffs2.

That's what I thought.

But, in that case, how come my Om2009 phone boots into 2.6.29-rc2 (which is
in /boot in the JFFS2 image) and not to the 2.6.28 image I've flashed to it ?

Flashed with:

dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a kernel -R -D uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-
r2-om-gta02.bin

But boots into:

Linux om-gta02 2.6.29-rc2 #1 PREEMPT Thu May 21 17:06:24 CEST 2009 armv4tl unknown

Both are listed in okpg!

root at om-gta02:~# opkg list_installed | fgrep kernel | head
kernel - 2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r2 -
kernel-2.6.29-rc2 - 2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r2 -

It's not coming off the SD card as that's a single partition with
just the OSM tiles for TangoGPS on it.

root at om-gta02:~# ls /media/card/
lost+found  Maps


cheers,
Chris
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From fercerpav at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 13:44:36 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:44:36 +0400
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <op.uuufomb541evsb@ginguppin> (arne anka's message of "Mon\,
	01 Jun 2009 13\:32\:36 +0200")
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin>
	<m28wkckxlh.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuufdpev41evsb@ginguppin>
	<m24ov0kxbn.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuufomb541evsb@ginguppin>
Message-ID: <m2vdngjhzv.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

"arne anka" <openmoko at ginguppin.de> writes:
>> You should have read Qi wiki page or Qi source code instead.
>
> well, i follow the discussion on the lists a long time.
> if that kind of information is not worth to be mentioned, i certainly do  
> not expect it to be mentioned in either wiki or code.

Source code is what actually compiles to binary that then runs on
device. So it's the ultimate source of information about what and how
it is supposed to work. Any discussions on ML especially those filled
with inaccurate conclusions drawn from nowhere can't get you any clear
understanding of what the code actually does.

> would you please stop, to cc me always and instead reply to the list as  
> everybody else does?

I didn't CC you, i just directed my letters to you because i was
answering to you and i kept ML CC'd for others to read. That's how MLs
work. If you don't like it, don't use mailing lists. This time i
altered headers just to show that i'm polite enough.

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From fercerpav at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 13:49:11 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:49:11 +0400
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <200906012143.49838.chris@csamuel.org> (Chris Samuel's message of
	"Mon\, 1 Jun 2009 21\:43\:46 +1000")
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<200906012143.49838.chris@csamuel.org>
Message-ID: <m2r5y4jhs8.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

Chris Samuel <chris at csamuel.org> writes:
> On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:09:02 pm Paul Fertser wrote:
>
>> No, Qi doesn't support jffs2.
>
> That's what I thought.
>
> But, in that case, how come my Om2009 phone boots into 2.6.29-rc2 (which is
> in /boot in the JFFS2 image) and not to the 2.6.28 image I've
> flashed to it ?

File name is wrong, the kernel is 2.6.29 actually. Look at the git
hash.

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From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Mon Jun  1 13:57:11 2009
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:57:11 +0200
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <m2vdngjhzv.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin>
	<m28wkckxlh.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuufdpev41evsb@ginguppin>
	<m24ov0kxbn.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuufomb541evsb@ginguppin>
	<m2vdngjhzv.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
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> Source code is what actually compiles to binary that then runs on
> device. So it's the ultimate source of information about what and how
> it is supposed to work. Any discussions on ML especially those filled
> with inaccurate conclusions drawn from nowhere can't get you any clear
> understanding of what the code actually does.

in other words you aree saying "i don't like writing documentations. and  
if you don't think that's the right attitusde, you are stuoid."


>> would you please stop, to cc me always and instead reply to the list as
>> everybody else does?
>
> I didn't CC you, i just directed my letters to you because i was
> answering to you and i kept ML CC'd for others to read. That's how MLs
> work. If you don't like it, don't use mailing lists. This time i
> altered headers just to show that i'm polite enough.


apparently you never realized how _this_ mailinglist works!
it has a default reply-to which is the list -- if you or your mail client  
are unable to cope with something more different than "single click, no  
thinking required", you should probaly not use mailinglists at all.

i certainly hope, your bad day is over soon and you are able to  
communicate like an intelligent being again.





From hns at computer.org  Mon Jun  1 14:03:33 2009
From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:03:33 +0200
Subject: Debuzzing
In-Reply-To: <m2d49okxvp.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <A5E128F4-F844-4FD0-9B4B-8E30422BE843@computer.org>
	<200905291047.18880.neurolabs@web.de>
	<1243804968876-3003344.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4A237622.9090901@openmoko> <op.uut70gua41evsb@ginguppin>
	<10603FB0-8DF0-4169-A888-D7D6E20F05F0@computer.org>
	<m2d49okxvp.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <32741731-5CEE-42A2-80A1-436D58911C00@computer.org>


Am 01.06.2009 um 13:16 schrieb Paul Fertser:

> "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns at computer.org> writes:
>>> and standby time jumping up 25% looks a lot to me.
>>
>> If you find a way to DIY to gain these 25%, please share with us.
>
> In fact overall time required for hand rework is roughly equal for
> both buzz and #1024 fixes. If one has already dismounted the can

The key difference is the word "if already dismounted the can".

>
> (quite easy if one is careful) then changing that particular capacitor
> is not a problem at all for a skilled person, it's SMT0805 size, big
> enough comparing to 0402 R and it's very conveniently located.
>
> This is for purely informational purposes for DIY-ers, i'm not
> recommending any distributors to offer this rework, quite the
> opposite.

Thanks for this description which will help DIY-ers!

Our reworker just opens the two torx screws, unclips the front cover  
and then does the Buzz-Rework under a microscope. Then, the front  
cover is clipped back and torx screws are replaced. This keeps rework  
cost low even in a high-wage country like Germany (which is still more  
than the 3 EUR we formally charge - Openmoko is sponsoring the rework).

For opening the GSM shield you have to dismantle the whole PCB from  
the Freerunner plastics and then open the can. Doing the reverse  
direction means to put the power and aux buttons in place, make sure  
that the vibramotor and speaker give contact etc.  and everything  
snaps back. This all sums to approx. 4 times as many minutes. That is  
the time that adds up in our calculation. So if we find a way to apply  
it without opening the can and dismantling the PCB, it will be the  
same speed.

So it is the simplicity of the buzz-rework that made us start this  
adventure but more complex reworks are beyond our limits...


Aother note to all who read this: the Buzz rework is only required if  
you have the Buzz problem. If your device does not, there is no need  
to rework. My personal estimate is that <5% of users have experienced  
it.

And if you don't own a Freerunner yet, you don't necessarily have to  
wait for A7 devices. So purchasing an A6 is still a good bet.

Nikolaus



From chris at csamuel.org  Mon Jun  1 14:03:29 2009
From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:03:29 +1000
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <m2r5y4jhs8.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<200906012143.49838.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2r5y4jhs8.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <200906012203.33116.chris@csamuel.org>

On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:49:11 pm Paul Fertser wrote:

> File name is wrong, the kernel is 2.6.29 actually. Look at the git
> hash.

Ahh, good call, eventually traced it to this to confirm that..

http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blob_plain;f=Makefile;hb=f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413

VERSION = 2
PATCHLEVEL = 6
SUBLEVEL = 29
EXTRAVERSION += -rc2
NAME = Erotic Pickled Herring

Phew, so I'm not going mad!

Thanks Paul.

-- 
 Chris Samuel  :  http://www.csamuel.org/  :  Melbourne, VIC

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From fercerpav at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 14:07:10 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:07:10 +0400
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <op.uuugtl2d41evsb@ginguppin> (arne anka's message of "Mon\,
	01 Jun 2009 13\:57\:11 +0200")
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin>
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"arne anka" <openmoko at ginguppin.de> writes:
>> Source code is what actually compiles to binary that then runs on
>> device. So it's the ultimate source of information about what and how
>> it is supposed to work. Any discussions on ML especially those filled
>> with inaccurate conclusions drawn from nowhere can't get you any clear
>> understanding of what the code actually does.
>
> in other words you aree saying "i don't like writing documentations. and  
> if you don't think that's the right attitusde, you are stuoid."

I don't like writing documentation, that's true. And i'm not obliged
to do that. Nevertheless i did improved Qi wiki page a lot (read the
history if you want); later improvements came directly from Andy.

>>> would you please stop, to cc me always and instead reply to the list as
>>> everybody else does?
>>
>> I didn't CC you, i just directed my letters to you because i was
>> answering to you and i kept ML CC'd for others to read. That's how MLs
>> work. If you don't like it, don't use mailing lists. This time i
>> altered headers just to show that i'm polite enough.
>
> apparently you never realized how _this_ mailinglist works!
> it has a default reply-to which is the list -- if you or your mail client  
> are unable to cope with something more different than "single click, no  
> thinking required", you should probaly not use mailinglists at all.

My MUA is flexible enough to strip _forged_ Reply-To header that this
list errorneously adds to every mail. So i'm perfectly aware how this
fucking mailing list works and i had to explicitly workaround this
stupidity.

> i certainly hope, your bad day is over soon and you are able to  
> communicate like an intelligent being again.

I certainly hope that you will start understand what i'm saying.

-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com



From fercerpav at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 14:13:14 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:13:14 +0400
Subject: Debuzzing
In-Reply-To: <32741731-5CEE-42A2-80A1-436D58911C00@computer.org> (H. Nikolaus
	Schaller's message of "Mon\, 1 Jun 2009 14\:03\:33 +0200")
References: <A5E128F4-F844-4FD0-9B4B-8E30422BE843@computer.org>
	<200905291047.18880.neurolabs@web.de>
	<1243804968876-3003344.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A237622.9090901@openmoko>
	<op.uut70gua41evsb@ginguppin>
	<10603FB0-8DF0-4169-A888-D7D6E20F05F0@computer.org>
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	<32741731-5CEE-42A2-80A1-436D58911C00@computer.org>
Message-ID: <m2iqjgjgo5.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

"Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns at computer.org> writes:
>> In fact overall time required for hand rework is roughly equal for
>> both buzz and #1024 fixes. If one has already dismounted the can
>
> The key difference is the word "if already dismounted the can".

I would require those who wants that #1024 rework to be performed to
just send a bare board with can dismounted. Probably i'm dead wrong,
but i disassembled and assembled my FR many times and i dismounted the
GSM can without problems.

-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com



From maxposedon at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 14:22:13 2009
From: maxposedon at gmail.com (Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:22:13 +0300
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <m2my8sjgy9.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<op.uuugtl2d41evsb@ginguppin> <m2my8sjgy9.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <200906011522.20795.maxposedon@gmail.com>

> My MUA is flexible enough to strip _forged_ Reply-To header that this
> list errorneously adds to every mail. So i'm perfectly aware how this
> fucking mailing list works and i had to explicitly workaround this
> stupidity.
You still putting arne anka, in TO: and list in CC:,

I agree with arne anka, that you should send mails(and reply-s) only TO: list.
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From fercerpav at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 14:32:26 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:32:26 +0400
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <200906011522.20795.maxposedon@gmail.com> (Maksim Melnikau's
	message of "Mon\, 1 Jun 2009 15\:22\:13 +0300")
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<op.uuugtl2d41evsb@ginguppin> <m2my8sjgy9.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<200906011522.20795.maxposedon@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m2d49ojfs5.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

"Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau" <maxposedon at gmail.com> writes:
>> My MUA is flexible enough to strip _forged_ Reply-To header that this
>> list errorneously adds to every mail. So i'm perfectly aware how this
>> fucking mailing list works and i had to explicitly workaround this
>> stupidity.
> You still putting arne anka, in TO: and list in CC:,
>
> I agree with arne anka, that you should send mails(and reply-s) only
> TO: list.

I said i did the wrong thing only once as a courtesy to arne. I won't
do it again because it's plain wrong. If you don't want to find the
proof yourself i will do that for you later. But i think you know me
enough to understand that if i do it that way i have a good enough
reason to do so. And if you look at any other sane ML out there (LAKML
e.g.) you'll see everybody doing the same.

-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com



From opessach at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 14:36:24 2009
From: opessach at gmail.com (Ori Pessach)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 06:36:24 -0600
Subject: Debuzzing
In-Reply-To: <4A237622.9090901@openmoko>
References: <A5E128F4-F844-4FD0-9B4B-8E30422BE843@computer.org>
	<200905291047.18880.neurolabs@web.de>
	<1243804968876-3003344.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A237622.9090901@openmoko>
Message-ID: <e7c8b9730906010536w71942e9dibe1c085463a02150@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com> wrote:

> Joerg, Dr. N and I have been discussing this. There is no need for the
> HWD fix of 1024 as there is a software fix.
> The hwdware fix of 1024  would require much more work than the
> debuzzing. Joerg recommends against it.
> I would agree.  I can have him come on here and explain. Even if the fix
> were required we would still have
> to do a lot of work before it could be fielded. So, dont wait. get your
> phone buzz fixed


Steve,

I would love to, but how? I live in the US, the vendor I bought my phone
from has been apparently ignoring my emails about this and when I called
them to ask they told me that they're not getting answers from Openmoko.
It's been over 9 months since I first contacted them about the buzz.

--Ori Pessach
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From wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca  Mon Jun  1 16:21:04 2009
From: wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca (Warren Baird)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:21:04 -0400
Subject: Om2009 testing release 4
In-Reply-To: <20090531164647.GK27350@sygehus.dk>
References: <200905211334.48701.nytowl@openmoko.org>
	<47e8c68d0905221738o754a4f25q674a378901ef806@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A17DE47.3080304@everlasting.be> <4A191774.4090805@everlasting.be>
	<b66a83e00905241414x713eacadp92788fb075d50bdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090524211955.GE4757@roque.1407.org>
	<b66a83e00905250908x3682c6dkb9351b4ff90644ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090525162008.GG18711@roque.1407.org>
	<20090531164647.GK27350@sygehus.dk>
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Hi Rask,

I'm afraid I have no idea which X server and touch screen driver were in
use.   I was using OM2009 TR3 and hadn't modified the X server at all, if
that helps.   The behaviour was that sometime when I rotated the device with
omrotatenew the touch pad response would be about 1.5cm to the left of where
I pressed.  Usually when that happened I could just rotate it to another
position and back again, and it was usually fine.

Warren


On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
<rask at sygehus.dk>wrote:

> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 05:20:08PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:08:33PM -0400, Warren Baird wrote:
> > > I had another
> > > experience with epdfview where when I held the FR horizontally I had to
> > > click about 1.5 cm to the right of the 'next page' button to get it to
> > > actually go to the next page.  After holding it vertically and then
> > > horizontally again, it was fine.
>
> > As for your problem with landscape vs portrait positions and GUIs...
> well, that's
> > a problem that's not easy to solve unless all applications pay attention
> to
> > a specific dbus signal which omnewrotate will send in the future.
>
>    No problem as long as the X server and touch screen driver is working.
> Which X server did it happen with (kdriver Xglamo, Xorg fbdev or Xorg
> glamo)?
>
> --
> Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
> Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
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From lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net  Mon Jun  1 16:43:07 2009
From: lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net (Ben Wong)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 07:43:07 -0700
Subject: usb0 vs eth0
In-Reply-To: <aee831ab0906010432v5ac5eea3ja260ae7d17c3bae4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1243834651.5778.36.camel@x-desk> <m2tz30lb5q.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<aee831ab0906010432v5ac5eea3ja260ae7d17c3bae4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47e8c68d0906010743k6287404ao84f1643dfe2c0033@mail.gmail.com>

> i don't know which interface udev will assign to the neo.. for
> example when i connect it i get eth1, suddenly renamed to eth7 by udev, but
> am i sure it will always get eth7?

I believe it depends on which distribution you run.  Some
distributions, like Debian, use a persistent-net-generator script
which will always give a particular ethernet device a consistent name
in /dev whenever it is plugged in.  Personally, that drives me batty;
I'm a tidy person and I don't like seeing my first ethernet card be
named eth7 simply because I used several other cards in the distant
past.  But it's good for you in this case, your Freerunner should
always have the same device name.


> The page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking explain how to setup
> nat and routing, but all the examples use usb0. The problem is that each
> different udev installation will assign a possibly different interface name
> to the neo, so what should one do? setup nat and routing for all the
> interfaces being attached? seems strange.. I just would like to see an
> example, because it's not clear to me, and i think for many like me..

Yes, the usb0/eth1/eth7 problem is very annoying from a documentation
point of view.  It would be nice to have a single example on the wiki
which people can use without editing.  I don't have the answer to that
one, but I'd love to see it if someone else does.

--Ben

P.S. If you're using Debian, you can check the file
/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules to see the mappings between
the MAC address and device name.  I believe OpenMoko devices always
have a MAC address that starts with 00:1F:11



From unachievable at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 16:54:51 2009
From: unachievable at gmail.com (ivvmm)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:54:51 +0400
Subject: usb0 vs eth0
In-Reply-To: <aee831ab0906010432v5ac5eea3ja260ae7d17c3bae4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1243834651.5778.36.camel@x-desk> <m2tz30lb5q.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<aee831ab0906010432v5ac5eea3ja260ae7d17c3bae4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A23EBBB.4080200@gmail.com>

roby wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Paul Fertser <fercerpav at gmail.com
> <mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Max <max at darim.com <mailto:max at darim.com>> writes:
>     > When I plug FR it appears as eth0 instead of usb0.
>     It's on purpose and it's damn right. Search the archives. If you want
>     some kind of interface renaming for whatever reason, write an
>     appropriate udev rule.
> 
> 
> Everybody saying that it's right, but nobody explaining how to use it..
> the problem is that it's not so simple to write an udev interface
> renaming rule because i don't know which interface udev will assign to
> the neo.. for example when i connect it i get eth1, suddenly renamed to
> eth7 by udev, but am i sure it will always get eth7?
> The page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking explain how to
> setup nat and routing, but all the examples use usb0. The problem is
> that each different udev installation will assign a possibly different
> interface name to the neo, so what should one do? setup nat and routing
> for all the interfaces being attached? seems strange.. I just would like
> to see an example, because it's not clear to me, and i think for many
> like me..
> 
> -- 
> roby
> 
> 

Read the section for Slackware on that wiki page. This way that will do
the right routing whatever the interface is called so you will not have
to think how is it named at this time.

As for me, I experience another problem: cannot connect to the
freerunner twice, only once until device is rebooted. How this can be
solvfed?

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From steve at openmoko.com  Mon Jun  1 17:20:18 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:20:18 -0700
Subject: Debuzzing
In-Reply-To: <op.uut70gua41evsb@ginguppin>
References: <A5E128F4-F844-4FD0-9B4B-8E30422BE843@computer.org>	<200905291047.18880.neurolabs@web.de>	<1243804968876-3003344.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4A237622.9090901@openmoko> <op.uut70gua41evsb@ginguppin>
Message-ID: <4A23F1B2.1070102@openmoko.com>

Agreed. I've not heard about the jump in standby time, but joerg 
mentioned something about that ( as i recall).
arne anka wrote:
>> as there is a software fix.
> 
> imo it is still a workaround, not a fix.
> and standby time jumping up 25% looks a lot to me.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 



From nytowl at openmoko.org  Mon Jun  1 17:28:37 2009
From: nytowl at openmoko.org (Angus Ainslie)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:28:37 -0600
Subject: usb0 vs eth0
In-Reply-To: <4A23EBBB.4080200@gmail.com>
References: <1243834651.5778.36.camel@x-desk>
	<aee831ab0906010432v5ac5eea3ja260ae7d17c3bae4@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A23EBBB.4080200@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200906010928.37499.nytowl@openmoko.org>

On June 1, 2009 08:54:51 am ivvmm wrote:
>
> Read the section for Slackware on that wiki page. This way that will do
> the right routing whatever the interface is called so you will not have
> to think how is it named at this time.
>
> As for me, I experience another problem: cannot connect to the
> freerunner twice, only once until device is rebooted. How this can be
> solvfed?

On the host side  

ifdown ethx; ifup ethx

Angus



From wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca  Mon Jun  1 17:46:07 2009
From: wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca (Warren Baird)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:46:07 -0400
Subject: Debuzzing
In-Reply-To: <32741731-5CEE-42A2-80A1-436D58911C00@computer.org>
References: <A5E128F4-F844-4FD0-9B4B-8E30422BE843@computer.org>
	<200905291047.18880.neurolabs@web.de>
	<1243804968876-3003344.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A237622.9090901@openmoko>
	<op.uut70gua41evsb@ginguppin>
	<10603FB0-8DF0-4169-A888-D7D6E20F05F0@computer.org>
	<m2d49okxvp.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<32741731-5CEE-42A2-80A1-436D58911C00@computer.org>
Message-ID: <b66a83e00906010846l6d984641w36a87280a5dfb0ff@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm..   You say that the buzz rework is only required by people who have the
buzz problem.    How do we tell the difference between the buzz problem and
a badly tuned gsmhandset.state?

My situation is that when I talk to people on the FR I generally hear them
very clearly, but they get a lot of static on their side - is that the buzz
problem?  Or is that something I can fix by tweaking the gsmhandset.state
file?

I'm using OM2009 TR4 btw - switching from the default alsa state file to
http://www.kurppa.fi/freerunner/config_files/gsmhandset.state seemed to help
the static, but it's still pretty bad...

Warren


On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
<hns at computer.org>wrote:

>
> Am 01.06.2009 um 13:16 schrieb Paul Fertser:
>
> > "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns at computer.org> writes:
> >>> and standby time jumping up 25% looks a lot to me.
> >>
> >> If you find a way to DIY to gain these 25%, please share with us.
> >
> > In fact overall time required for hand rework is roughly equal for
> > both buzz and #1024 fixes. If one has already dismounted the can
>
> The key difference is the word "if already dismounted the can".
>
> >
> > (quite easy if one is careful) then changing that particular capacitor
> > is not a problem at all for a skilled person, it's SMT0805 size, big
> > enough comparing to 0402 R and it's very conveniently located.
> >
> > This is for purely informational purposes for DIY-ers, i'm not
> > recommending any distributors to offer this rework, quite the
> > opposite.
>
> Thanks for this description which will help DIY-ers!
>
> Our reworker just opens the two torx screws, unclips the front cover
> and then does the Buzz-Rework under a microscope. Then, the front
> cover is clipped back and torx screws are replaced. This keeps rework
> cost low even in a high-wage country like Germany (which is still more
> than the 3 EUR we formally charge - Openmoko is sponsoring the rework).
>
> For opening the GSM shield you have to dismantle the whole PCB from
> the Freerunner plastics and then open the can. Doing the reverse
> direction means to put the power and aux buttons in place, make sure
> that the vibramotor and speaker give contact etc.  and everything
> snaps back. This all sums to approx. 4 times as many minutes. That is
> the time that adds up in our calculation. So if we find a way to apply
> it without opening the can and dismantling the PCB, it will be the
> same speed.
>
> So it is the simplicity of the buzz-rework that made us start this
> adventure but more complex reworks are beyond our limits...
>
>
> Aother note to all who read this: the Buzz rework is only required if
> you have the Buzz problem. If your device does not, there is no need
> to rework. My personal estimate is that <5% of users have experienced
> it.
>
> And if you don't own a Freerunner yet, you don't necessarily have to
> wait for A7 devices. So purchasing an A6 is still a good bet.
>
> Nikolaus
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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>



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From tanuva at googlemail.com  Mon Jun  1 17:55:06 2009
From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:55:06 +0200
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <m2d49ojfs5.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<200906011522.20795.maxposedon@gmail.com>
	<m2d49ojfs5.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <200906011755.06870.tanuva@gmail.com>

Am Montag, 1. Juni 2009 14:32:26 schrieb Paul Fertser:
> "Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau" <maxposedon at gmail.com> writes:
> >> My MUA is flexible enough to strip _forged_ Reply-To header that
> >> this list errorneously adds to every mail. So i'm perfectly aware
> >> how this fucking mailing list works and i had to explicitly
> >> workaround this stupidity.
> >
> > You still putting arne anka, in TO: and list in CC:,
> >
> > I agree with arne anka, that you should send mails(and reply-s) only
> > TO: list.
>
> I said i did the wrong thing only once as a courtesy to arne. I won't
> do it again because it's plain wrong. If you don't want to find the
> proof yourself i will do that for you later. But i think you know me
> enough to understand that if i do it that way i have a good enough
> reason to do so. And if you look at any other sane ML out there (LAKML
> e.g.) you'll see everybody doing the same.

I have often enough seen people on debian-user-german that actually 
*don't* want to be CCed because they read the list and therefore don't 
need a dedicated reply.

--
Marcel



From steve at openmoko.com  Mon Jun  1 18:05:22 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:05:22 -0700
Subject: Debuzzing
In-Reply-To: <e7c8b9730906010536w71942e9dibe1c085463a02150@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A5E128F4-F844-4FD0-9B4B-8E30422BE843@computer.org>	<200905291047.18880.neurolabs@web.de>	<1243804968876-3003344.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4A237622.9090901@openmoko>
	<e7c8b9730906010536w71942e9dibe1c085463a02150@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A23FC42.6080007@openmoko.com>

  Getting a focused effort in the US has been problematic. The reason is
simple. The vast majority of sales in the US have been through the OM 
store. The disty, therefore, don't have the same motivation that say
Dr. N has. neither do they have the resources required. The best thing,
the most logical thing would be for OM in the US to set up a program
just like Dr. N did.

The problem? OM usa is me. Part of the reason the deal worked with Dr. N
is that he was able to do all the detailed ground work required to get 
this done. I would have to execute the fix by myself. That's no simple
feat, but now that Dr. N has shown the way, I can look into copying his
effort. basically I'm a marketing guy, but if need be I'll be the 
customer support, feild rework, logistics guy.

In the US it might require a different approach, but I can start to look 
into it.


Ori Pessach wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com> wrote:
> 
>> Joerg, Dr. N and I have been discussing this. There is no need for the
>> HWD fix of 1024 as there is a software fix.
>> The hwdware fix of 1024  would require much more work than the
>> debuzzing. Joerg recommends against it.
>> I would agree.  I can have him come on here and explain. Even if the fix
>> were required we would still have
>> to do a lot of work before it could be fielded. So, dont wait. get your
>> phone buzz fixed
> 
> 
> Steve,
> 
> I would love to, but how? I live in the US, the vendor I bought my phone
> from has been apparently ignoring my emails about this and when I called
> them to ask they told me that they're not getting answers from Openmoko.
> It's been over 9 months since I first contacted them about the buzz.
> 
> --Ori Pessach
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



From david at blue-labs.org  Mon Jun  1 18:05:35 2009
From: david at blue-labs.org (David Ford)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:05:35 -0400
Subject: usb0 vs eth0
In-Reply-To: <47e8c68d0906010743k6287404ao84f1643dfe2c0033@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1243834651.5778.36.camel@x-desk>
	<m2tz30lb5q.fsf@home.pavel.comp>	<aee831ab0906010432v5ac5eea3ja260ae7d17c3bae4@mail.gmail.com>
	<47e8c68d0906010743k6287404ao84f1643dfe2c0033@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A23FC4F.7020505@blue-labs.org>

The udev operation is simple.  The net interface naming is normally 
based on the MAC address and is stored in /etc/udev/rules.d/{something} 
like 70-persistent-net.rules IF your distribution runs the persistence 
script.  Otherwise device naming is based on the order in which devices 
are found by the kernel.  If you load modules by hand, and you alternate 
which you load first, then you would see the associated order change.

Mind you, if everything is done automatically by the kernel, the device 
order can change if the kernel's sequence of loading drivers changes.  
Every once in a great while that happens.

Here's my server's persistent net file:

Colt ~ # cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
# This file was automatically generated by the /lib64/udev/write_net_rules
# program run by the persistent-net-generator.rules rules file.
#
# You can modify it, as long as you keep each rule on a single line.

# PCI device 0x14e4:0x1659 (tg3)
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", 
ATTR{address}=="00:1e:c9:2a:1c:64", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", 
NAME="eth0"

# PCI device 0x14e4:0x1659 (tg3)
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", 
ATTR{address}=="00:1e:c9:2a:1c:65", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", 
NAME="eth1"


These are rules and they can be changed.  If you want the 1c:64 device 
to be named "funkadiddle" instead of "eth0", you'd simply edit the file 
and make the change of NAME="funkadiddle"

If you alter the MAC address of your device, either by hand or on boot 
such as in Qi etc, then it won't match if you have a rule set for the 
old MAC address and it'll get the next available interface name.

So, simply set up your persistent-net rules file like you want and be 
happy.  Name your interfaces "usbcable" and "wifi" and set your 
/etc/network/interfaces file to match if it pleases you so.




From rask at sygehus.dk  Mon Jun  1 18:45:17 2009
From: rask at sygehus.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:45:17 +0200
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <m2my8sjgy9.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin>
	<m28wkckxlh.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuufdpev41evsb@ginguppin>
	<m24ov0kxbn.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuufomb541evsb@ginguppin>
	<m2vdngjhzv.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuugtl2d41evsb@ginguppin>
	<m2my8sjgy9.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <20090601164517.GN27350@sygehus.dk>

On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 04:07:10PM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote:

> My MUA is flexible enough to strip _forged_ Reply-To header that this
> list errorneously adds to every mail. So i'm perfectly aware how this
> fucking mailing list works and i had to explicitly workaround this
> stupidity.

   There's a header field for this purpose. Use it:

List-Post: <mailto:community at lists.openmoko.org>

   In mutt, I just hit 'L' - list reply - and it figures it out. Of course,
if you send a copy to someone directly, that header field is missing and the
list server doesn't send a duplicate to the directly addressed recipient,
who then has to manually edit the addresses when replying. So please don't
put both the list and a person on the list in the To/Cc fields.

-- 
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year



From fercerpav at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 19:00:45 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:00:45 +0400
Subject: Avoid duplicates on ML (was: Re: Fundamental Qi question)
In-Reply-To: <200906011755.06870.tanuva@gmail.com> (Marcel's message of "Mon\,
	1 Jun 2009 17\:55\:06 +0200")
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<200906011522.20795.maxposedon@gmail.com>
	<m2d49ojfs5.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <200906011755.06870.tanuva@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m28wkbkhxe.fsf_-_@home.pavel.comp>

Marcel <tanuva at googlemail.com> writes:

> Am Montag, 1. Juni 2009 14:32:26 schrieb Paul Fertser:
>> "Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau" <maxposedon at gmail.com> writes:
>> >> My MUA is flexible enough to strip _forged_ Reply-To header that
>> >> this list errorneously adds to every mail. So i'm perfectly aware
>> >> how this fucking mailing list works and i had to explicitly
>> >> workaround this stupidity.
>> >
>> > You still putting arne anka, in TO: and list in CC:,
>> >
>> > I agree with arne anka, that you should send mails(and reply-s) only
>> > TO: list.
>>
>> I said i did the wrong thing only once as a courtesy to arne. I won't
>> do it again because it's plain wrong. If you don't want to find the
>> proof yourself i will do that for you later. But i think you know me
>> enough to understand that if i do it that way i have a good enough
>> reason to do so. And if you look at any other sane ML out there (LAKML
>> e.g.) you'll see everybody doing the same.
>
> I have often enough seen people on debian-user-german that actually 
> *don't* want to be CCed because they read the list and therefore don't 
> need a dedicated reply.

To avoid getting duplicates (when a person sends a mail To or Cc you
and the list at the same time) one just needs to set his personal
preferences (and for most ML it's default to avoid duplicates), for
mailman it's described in [1].

[1] http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node21.html

-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com



From raster at rasterman.com  Mon Jun  1 19:10:53 2009
From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman))
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 03:10:53 +1000
Subject: Om2009 testing release 4
In-Reply-To: <20090601101241.GB8448@roque.1407.org>
References: <4A17DE47.3080304@everlasting.be> <4A191774.4090805@everlasting.be>
	<b66a83e00905241414x713eacadp92788fb075d50bdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090524211955.GE4757@roque.1407.org>
	<b66a83e00905250908x3682c6dkb9351b4ff90644ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090525162008.GG18711@roque.1407.org>
	<20090601172115.40417a87.raster@rasterman.com>
	<20090601081041.GH4479@roque.1407.org>
	<20090601192422.cae95e96.raster@rasterman.com>
	<20090601095900.GA8448@roque.1407.org>
	<20090601101241.GB8448@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <20090602031053.e800aeb1.raster@rasterman.com>

On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:12:41 +0100 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org> said:

> > My experience is that most applications become almost unusable because
> > things are simply compressed beyond what is usable, so they need to do
> > something themselves.
> > 
> > Merely having the interface scaled down doesn't seem to work well enough
> > (to me).
> 
> Example:
> 
> http://files.1407.org/2009/06/01/paroli_is_borked_on_landscape.jpg

actually - that's more because paroly was designed for 480x640 only and has no
concept of adjusting to another size that is not that :) ask mirko.

-- 
------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" --------------
The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)    raster at rasterman.com




From fercerpav at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 19:13:20 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:13:20 +0400
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <20090601164517.GN27350@sygehus.dk> (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen's
	message of "Mon\, 1 Jun 2009 18\:45\:17 +0200")
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin>
	<m28wkckxlh.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuufdpev41evsb@ginguppin>
	<m24ov0kxbn.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuufomb541evsb@ginguppin>
	<m2vdngjhzv.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuugtl2d41evsb@ginguppin>
	<m2my8sjgy9.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <20090601164517.GN27350@sygehus.dk>
Message-ID: <m24ouzkhcf.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

Rask Ingemann Lambertsen <rask at sygehus.dk> writes:
> On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 04:07:10PM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote:
>> My MUA is flexible enough to strip _forged_ Reply-To header that this
>> list errorneously adds to every mail. So i'm perfectly aware how this
>> fucking mailing list works and i had to explicitly workaround this
>> stupidity.
>
>    There's a header field for this purpose. Use it:
>
> List-Post: <mailto:community at lists.openmoko.org>
>
>    In mutt, I just hit 'L' - list reply - and it figures it out. Of course,
> if you send a copy to someone directly, that header field is missing and the
> list server doesn't send a duplicate to the directly addressed recipient,
> who then has to manually edit the addresses when replying. So please don't
> put both the list and a person on the list in the To/Cc fields.

Now imagine i see a message from some person, with some ML (i'm
subscribed to Cc'd). Also there's like 5 persons in Cc list, that are
addressed explicitly because they have something to do with the topic
(like they're subsystem maintainers, original authors or something
like that). If i press "g" in mutt my To: header will be set to what
was in Reply-To: (if the sender for some reason decided to set it for
whatever reason) or to the From:. My Cc will be identical to those of
original message. Everybody relevant to the topic will receive the
message and in case some persons from that list were subscribed, they
won't receive it twice because ML software will see them already in To
or Cc and so will avoid sending a dup. But if i press "L" and some of
the Cc'd persons are not subscribed to the list (which is a very
common situation for things involving different areas of interest,
e.g. both alsa and arm) they will not receive my reply which is not
what is intended.

So, basic rules are: 1. lists don't send duplicate mails to those
already present in To or Cc. 2. not every person participating in
conversation is subscribed and it's perfectly legal to post to most
MLs without being subscribed (with proper spam protection in place
(i'd require SPF PASS) it works without much troubles).

My conclusion is: group reply aka reply-all is the right thing to do,
other methods (Reply-To forgery or "list reply") are wrong.

-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com



From opessach at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 19:21:23 2009
From: opessach at gmail.com (Ori Pessach)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:21:23 -0600
Subject: Debuzzing
In-Reply-To: <4A23FC42.6080007@openmoko.com>
References: <A5E128F4-F844-4FD0-9B4B-8E30422BE843@computer.org>
	<200905291047.18880.neurolabs@web.de>
	<1243804968876-3003344.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A237622.9090901@openmoko>
	<e7c8b9730906010536w71942e9dibe1c085463a02150@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A23FC42.6080007@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <e7c8b9730906011021l196bc1a8h422c17dcbd739fba@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com> wrote:

>  Getting a focused effort in the US has been problematic. The reason is
> simple. The vast majority of sales in the US have been through the OM
> store. The disty, therefore, don't have the same motivation that say
> Dr. N has. neither do they have the resources required. The best thing,
> the most logical thing would be for OM in the US to set up a program
> just like Dr. N did.
>
> The problem? OM usa is me. Part of the reason the deal worked with Dr. N
> is that he was able to do all the detailed ground work required to get
> this done. I would have to execute the fix by myself. That's no simple
> feat, but now that Dr. N has shown the way, I can look into copying his
> effort. basically I'm a marketing guy, but if need be I'll be the
> customer support, feild rework, logistics guy.
>
> In the US it might require a different approach, but I can start to look
> into it.
>

Steve, I do realize that coordinating this is a challenge, but in this case
it seems like the vendor I bought my phone from is trying to work with
Openmoko, and isn't getting a satisfactory response, or any response at all
if I take their version of the story to be true - which I have no reason not
to.

Since I've been waiting for a fix for nearly 10 months, I feel I've been
extremely patient. But even my patience (which is otherwise legendary, I can
assure you) runs out.

What would you suggest that I do at this point?

--Ori Pessach
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From werner at openmoko.org  Mon Jun  1 19:38:47 2009
From: werner at openmoko.org (Werner Almesberger)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:38:47 -0300
Subject: Debuzzing
In-Reply-To: <32741731-5CEE-42A2-80A1-436D58911C00@computer.org>
References: <A5E128F4-F844-4FD0-9B4B-8E30422BE843@computer.org>
	<200905291047.18880.neurolabs@web.de>
	<1243804968876-3003344.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4A237622.9090901@openmoko> <op.uut70gua41evsb@ginguppin>
	<10603FB0-8DF0-4169-A888-D7D6E20F05F0@computer.org>
	<m2d49okxvp.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<32741731-5CEE-42A2-80A1-436D58911C00@computer.org>
Message-ID: <20090601173847.GA4625@almesberger.net>

Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> Aother note to all who read this: the Buzz rework is only required if  
> you have the Buzz problem.

Hmm, wasn't there an environmental component as well, i.e., band and
signal strength ? So changes in the network, e.g., traveling, moving,
or the provider messing with things, might bring buzz to phones that
still lacked that experience.

- Werner



From fercerpav at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 19:48:30 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:48:30 +0400
Subject: Debuzzing
In-Reply-To: <20090601173847.GA4625@almesberger.net> (Werner Almesberger's
	message of "Mon\, 1 Jun 2009 14\:38\:47 -0300")
References: <A5E128F4-F844-4FD0-9B4B-8E30422BE843@computer.org>
	<200905291047.18880.neurolabs@web.de>
	<1243804968876-3003344.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A237622.9090901@openmoko>
	<op.uut70gua41evsb@ginguppin>
	<10603FB0-8DF0-4169-A888-D7D6E20F05F0@computer.org>
	<m2d49okxvp.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<32741731-5CEE-42A2-80A1-436D58911C00@computer.org>
	<20090601173847.GA4625@almesberger.net>
Message-ID: <m2zlcrj15d.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

Werner Almesberger <werner at openmoko.org> writes:
> Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>> Aother note to all who read this: the Buzz rework is only required if  
>> you have the Buzz problem.
>
> Hmm, wasn't there an environmental component as well, i.e., band and
> signal strength ? So changes in the network, e.g., traveling, moving,
> or the provider messing with things, might bring buzz to phones that
> still lacked that experience.

AFAICT, you're completely right. I can't fully understand why
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller thinks that the buzz rework is not always
required (probably some people never travel/move and use the same band
and network without provider doing anything). OTOH if a person uses FR
as a phone for a year and doesn't experience the buzz problem and he
is not going to change network or places where he uses his phone,
probably chances he'll get problems with buzz are low.

I'd say that's something that every person should decide for himself,
the only thing that needs stressing is "there's no buzz-free devices
(unless it's A7 or a reworked one), there're some good external
conditions which might or might not eventually change". Probably Joerg
will want to comment more.

-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com



From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Mon Jun  1 19:49:34 2009
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:49:34 +0200
Subject: Debuzzing
In-Reply-To: <20090601173847.GA4625@almesberger.net>
References: <A5E128F4-F844-4FD0-9B4B-8E30422BE843@computer.org>
	<200905291047.18880.neurolabs@web.de>
	<1243804968876-3003344.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A237622.9090901@openmoko>
	<op.uut70gua41evsb@ginguppin>
	<10603FB0-8DF0-4169-A888-D7D6E20F05F0@computer.org>
	<m2d49okxvp.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<32741731-5CEE-42A2-80A1-436D58911C00@computer.org>
	<20090601173847.GA4625@almesberger.net>
Message-ID: <op.uuuw4wur41evsb@ginguppin>

>> Aother note to all who read this: the Buzz rework is only required if
>> you have the Buzz problem.
>
> Hmm, wasn't there an environmental component as well, i.e., band and
> signal strength ? So changes in the network, e.g., traveling, moving,
> or the provider messing with things, might bring buzz to phones that
> still lacked that experience.


as far as i understood the issue, the buzz is there by design and not to  
be solved by tewaking a state file.
thus, while actually experiencing that buzz is subject to several factors,  
otoh nobody can be said to be sure not to be bitten by it.
conclusion: everyone having access to the buzz fix should take hold of it.



From steve at openmoko.com  Mon Jun  1 20:07:57 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:07:57 -0700
Subject: Debuzzing
In-Reply-To: <e7c8b9730906011021l196bc1a8h422c17dcbd739fba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A5E128F4-F844-4FD0-9B4B-8E30422BE843@computer.org>	
	<200905291047.18880.neurolabs@web.de>	
	<1243804968876-3003344.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4A237622.9090901@openmoko>	
	<e7c8b9730906010536w71942e9dibe1c085463a02150@mail.gmail.com>	
	<4A23FC42.6080007@openmoko.com>
	<e7c8b9730906011021l196bc1a8h422c17dcbd739fba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2418FD.70705@openmoko.com>

See inline below

Ori Pessach wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com> wrote:
> 
>>  Getting a focused effort in the US has been problematic. The reason is
>> simple. The vast majority of sales in the US have been through the OM
>> store. The disty, therefore, don't have the same motivation that say
>> Dr. N has. neither do they have the resources required. The best thing,
>> the most logical thing would be for OM in the US to set up a program
>> just like Dr. N did.
>>
>> The problem? OM usa is me. Part of the reason the deal worked with Dr. N
>> is that he was able to do all the detailed ground work required to get
>> this done. I would have to execute the fix by myself. That's no simple
>> feat, but now that Dr. N has shown the way, I can look into copying his
>> effort. basically I'm a marketing guy, but if need be I'll be the
>> customer support, feild rework, logistics guy.
>>
>> In the US it might require a different approach, but I can start to look
>> into it.
>>
> 
> Steve, I do realize that coordinating this is a challenge, but in this case
> it seems like the vendor I bought my phone from is trying to work with
> Openmoko, and isn't getting a satisfactory response, or any response at all
> if I take their version of the story to be true - which I have no reason not
> to.
   Well, I put together a rework plan for all the distributors. It was a 
program to rework existing stock. That was phase 1. That program was 
supposed to be administered by 1 employee at OM. I'll have to check
and see if that task was completed. PHASE TWO of the program was to 
figure out a way to rework devices already in the hands of end users.
Dr. N and I have been discussing an approach for a while. And he has
just proved that it can work. Understand, Dr. N set up his whole 
program: he found the technician. he got a quote. he prepare his website
to take orders for the program. When he had that all set up he came to
me and said: here is my proposal: the customer does this, GDC does that,
and OM compensates me in this fashion. So, Sean and I said yes to the
deal. That's basically what it would take. You can just have the vendor
write me directly with their proposal. If they pattern their proposal
after Dr. Ns proposal then I have a good basis to make my case. But you
have to understand the issue of scale here. Dr. N offers the service a 
larger pool of customers. So his technician, of course, can offer a 
better price. There is a learning curve in doing this fix. If your
vendor sold 100 phones, he can expect to get 5 people to mail in phones
for a buzz fix. To service these 5 people he has to do a bunch of work.
he would be better off just shipping you a A7 for free. But if he
openly offered exchanges, then people without the buzz problem could 
just take advantage of the situation.
> 
> Since I've been waiting for a fix for nearly 10 months, I feel I've been
> extremely patient. But even my patience (which is otherwise legendary, I can
> assure you) runs out.
> 
> What would you suggest that I do at this point?

  Have your vendor write me directly. I can see what can be done. They 
would have to, at minimum, pattern their proposal after Dr. Ns proposal.
Find a technician to do the rework. get a quote from him. Establish a
way for US owners to ship their product in. Arrange for the rework
and adminster it. negotiate a reimbursement package from OM. etc.

other ideas?
> 
> --Ori Pessach
> 



From steve at openmoko.com  Mon Jun  1 20:17:44 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:17:44 -0700
Subject: Debuzzing
In-Reply-To: <20090601173847.GA4625@almesberger.net>
References: <A5E128F4-F844-4FD0-9B4B-8E30422BE843@computer.org>	<200905291047.18880.neurolabs@web.de>	<1243804968876-3003344.post@n2.nabble.com>	<4A237622.9090901@openmoko>
	<op.uut70gua41evsb@ginguppin>	<10603FB0-8DF0-4169-A888-D7D6E20F05F0@computer.org>	<m2d49okxvp.fsf@home.pavel.comp>	<32741731-5CEE-42A2-80A1-436D58911C00@computer.org>
	<20090601173847.GA4625@almesberger.net>
Message-ID: <4A241B48.7040000@openmoko.com>

YA,
  When I first started putting the program together I asked Tony Tu to 
get me a test protocal for incoming. Engineering ( and others) then 
pointed out that the Buzz problem was conditioned by enviromental 
factors that we CND ( could not duplicate) such that a phone with Buzz
in the feild may not exhibit it at the test site ( For example, I never
had phones buzz for me, even when sean flew out with a phone to show
me the buzz) And a phone without buzz in the field may exhibit it at the 
test site. So, I dropped the requirement for an incoming test protocal.
My logic was this. The circuit was known to manifest the problem under
certain circumstances. Its clear that RF gets on the line and clear also 
that the CAP fix, if properly applied, reduces the symptoms, both in 
theory and in practice. So, if we offer the buzz fix to all, some small
fraction of people who do not have the problem will still want the fix.
If they are willing to part with their phone for a week or so to get a 
fix they dont need, then go ahead and fix it.

Werner Almesberger wrote:
> Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>> Aother note to all who read this: the Buzz rework is only required if  
>> you have the Buzz problem.
> 
> Hmm, wasn't there an environmental component as well, i.e., band and
> signal strength ? So changes in the network, e.g., traveling, moving,
> or the provider messing with things, might bring buzz to phones that
> still lacked that experience.
> 
> - Werner
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 



From steve at openmoko.com  Mon Jun  1 20:37:33 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:37:33 -0700
Subject: Debuzzing
In-Reply-To: <op.uuuw4wur41evsb@ginguppin>
References: <A5E128F4-F844-4FD0-9B4B-8E30422BE843@computer.org>	<200905291047.18880.neurolabs@web.de>	<1243804968876-3003344.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4A237622.9090901@openmoko>	<op.uut70gua41evsb@ginguppin>	<10603FB0-8DF0-4169-A888-D7D6E20F05F0@computer.org>	<m2d49okxvp.fsf@home.pavel.comp>	<32741731-5CEE-42A2-80A1-436D58911C00@computer.org>	<20090601173847.GA4625@almesberger.net>
	<op.uuuw4wur41evsb@ginguppin>
Message-ID: <4A241FED.4080507@openmoko.com>

   Yes. Since I'm marketing I'll give the only description I can which 
is considerably dumbed down.

RF ( from GSM) gets coupled onto the lines leading INTO the audio mixer.
the mixer cannot filter this signal. The RF remains on the line coming 
out of the mixer. The only way to remove it before it gets on the 
microphone is to apply a filter: the CAP in the buzz fix.

It's unclear whether this buzz can be removed by processing done
by carriers or receiving handsets once the infected signal leaves the 
FR. Clearly in some cases it is not removed. Since the buzz signal is 
obviously in the hearable range I would imagine that any post processing
would be a hit on S/N or audio quality.

[To remove the ROOT cause ( RF from GSM getting on the lines) you apply
ferrite beads ( or other EE contraptions that I won't pretend to 
comprehend) on the input side of the Mixer. ]

Now, to the question of how the RF gets on the lines going into the 
mixer. I believe there is a frequency dependency. That is, some 
frequencies ( say 900 for example) will couple more readily than others
( say 1900) and obviously harmonics of 900 might couple more readily as 
well. EMI is black magic as far as I'm concerned so I'll shut up and not
beclown myself any further.

arne anka wrote:
>>> Aother note to all who read this: the Buzz rework is only required if
>>> you have the Buzz problem.
>> Hmm, wasn't there an environmental component as well, i.e., band and
>> signal strength ? So changes in the network, e.g., traveling, moving,
>> or the provider messing with things, might bring buzz to phones that
>> still lacked that experience.
> 
> 
> as far as i understood the issue, the buzz is there by design and not to  
> be solved by tewaking a state file.
> thus, while actually experiencing that buzz is subject to several factors,  
> otoh nobody can be said to be sure not to be bitten by it.
> conclusion: everyone having access to the buzz fix should take hold of it.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 



From liedekef at telenet.be  Mon Jun  1 21:02:29 2009
From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:02:29 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
Message-ID: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>

(install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below)

It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-)

New website:
============
We have a new website now, thanks to Fale: http://www.qtmoko.org
There you can find all the latest changes, report bugs, etc ...

IRC channel:
============
For those wanting to talk: on irc.freenode.net, channel #qtopia is open
for business.

Things solved/added/changed:
============================
See http://www.qtmoko.org/wiki/Change_log
See http://github.com/liedekef/qtmoko/commits/master for the changelog
in detail

Problems found (more like small nuisances now):
===============================================
See http://www.qtmoko.org
- if you set the time back to something in the past, the clock service
  crashes and you need to restart qtextended if you want to use the
  clock again
- bluetooth is not working totally ok, only after initial boot it
  works, not after suspend/resume. Seems to be kernel/bluez3 version
  combo issue ... After suspend/resume bluetooth seems to work, but
  receiving files for sure doesn't.
- if you try to delete the "Wireless Lan", the system crashes ... cool
  huh, a crashed phone? So for now: don't do it :-)
- slow building up of the Contacts, because of all the sql queries for
  a*, b*, c*, ...

Install instructions:
=====================
download the script
http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qtmoko_install.sh , read the
comments at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after
having flashed the device and made sure internet works).
The script has 2 options: "install" or "update". An update will just
download the tgz file and replace your current qtmoko with it.

For those who just want to replace their existing qtmoko manually,
here's the link: http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qte_20090601.tgz .

Enjoy!

Franky



From www.rzr.online.fr at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 21:06:28 2009
From: www.rzr.online.fr at gmail.com (RzR www.rzr.online.fr)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:06:28 +0200
Subject: boxar : New Audio Application (download or watch video)
Message-ID: <78a9ab5d0906011206x7620c42fuaeb7f0433a7e29d2@mail.gmail.com>

Dear openmoko users

Here is an other Audio Application for Openmoko platform :

Boxar is a kind of piano using the full surface of the touch screen to
display scales

It was created by Sampath Jagananthan on the Nokia n8x0
but I built it for the openmoko (GTA02 Running SHR) as well.

Head to this page for download it or watch video demo :

URL: http://rzr.online.fr/q/esd

I'll make an other release if it can be supported on other OM distributions ...

Find me online or contact: http://rzr.online.fr/contact.htm


-- 
Related Obsession : http://rzr.online.fr/q/openmoko



From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 21:39:11 2009
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:39:11 +0200
Subject: boxar : New Audio Application (download or watch video)
In-Reply-To: <78a9ab5d0906011206x7620c42fuaeb7f0433a7e29d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <78a9ab5d0906011206x7620c42fuaeb7f0433a7e29d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26fea52c0906011239p58ad4a4bib306f60ea16587b@mail.gmail.com>

nice
maybe you could also add it on opkg.org, so it can reach more people?

y

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:06 PM, RzR www.rzr.online.fr
<www.rzr.online.fr at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear openmoko users
>
> Here is an other Audio Application for Openmoko platform :
>
> Boxar is a kind of piano using the full surface of the touch screen to
> display scales
>
> It was created by Sampath Jagananthan on the Nokia n8x0
> but I built it for the openmoko (GTA02 Running SHR) as well.
>
> Head to this page for download it or watch video demo :
>
> URL: http://rzr.online.fr/q/esd
>
> I'll make an other release if it can be supported on other OM distributions ...
>
> Find me online or contact: http://rzr.online.fr/contact.htm
>
>
> --
> Related Obsession : http://rzr.online.fr/q/openmoko
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



From tanuva at googlemail.com  Mon Jun  1 21:44:14 2009
From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:44:14 +0200
Subject: [navit] Crash with sdl + internal gui
Message-ID: <200906012144.14329.tanuva@gmail.com>

Hello,

I'm trying to use navit with sdl driver and the internal gui (something 
told me thats faster, don't know where I got that from). gtk_drawing_area 
works fine, so in principle everything's fine. Once I change the driver to 
"sdl", navit crashes like this: http://pastebin.ca/1443950
Do I need some additional library? The backtrace isn't too helpful for me.
sdl-image is installed...

--
Marcel



From methril at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 22:25:48 2009
From: methril at gmail.com (Rafael Campos)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:25:48 +0200
Subject: How to fix a broken AUX button ?
In-Reply-To: <200905261355.21795.joerg@openmoko.org>
References: <7d727f8a0905250943t6e87f49br6197d56129d96f94@mail.gmail.com>
	<200905261355.21795.joerg@openmoko.org>
Message-ID: <b84dee3a0906011325s1a56b2bfq8c7d82377106c948@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Joerg Reisenweber <joerg at openmoko.org> wrote:
> Am Mo ?25. Mai 2009 schrieb Philippe Lhardy:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am looking for a way to fix my Neo FreeRunner that felt badly on the
> floor.
>> AUX button was not soldered anymore and i definitely broke the button
>> by trying to glue it.
>
> FWIW:
> SW1501,SW1701.
> SWITCH 4.7*3.5*1.6 SIDE PUSH SMT TYPE 4 PIN EVQPUD02K
> PANASONIC FOE GSM LR
>
>
> cheers
> jOERG
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>

I fixed  one without problems. But i was lucky to don't need to bought one.

I get the reference, in case it would be necessary ;)

I like to have some references like this for possible repair components.
Do you have a BOM in some place jOERG?

cheers

-- 
___________
Rafael Campos
o0 Methril 0o
http://openblog.methril.net/



From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Mon Jun  1 23:03:37 2009
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:03:37 +0200
Subject: [debian] navit_0.1.0+svn-2301_armel.deb
Message-ID: <op.uuu54byb41evsb@ginguppin>

new navit up at
> http://www.ginguppin.de/node/26

i tweaked the config opts further, adding to the default opts of   
debain/rules

CCFLAGS="-march=armv4t -mtune=arm920t" --enable-avoid-float  
--disable-garmin --disable-samplemap --disable-postgresql  
--disable-graphics-opengl --disable-graphics-win32 --disable-gui-win32  
--disable-vehicle-demo --disable-vehicle-wince  
--disable-graphics-qt-qpainter --enable-graphics-gtk-drawing-area  
--disable-hildon --disable-speech-cmdline  
--disable-speech-speech-dispatcher --disable-vehicle-demo  
--disable-vehicle-wince --disable-vehicle-gypsy --enable-graphics-gd  
--disable-threads

although i am not sure, if everyone ist necessary, at least i got the  
impression that it is far more responsive now (compared to 2279 which  
yesterday virtually froze, eating 100% cpu and excuting random actions,  
slightly related to my tapping on the screen -- leaving on my own with a  
bike in a foreign forrest ...)



From goffi at goffi.org  Mon Jun  1 23:22:40 2009
From: goffi at goffi.org (Goffi)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:22:40 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <200906012322.40851.goffi@goffi.org>

Thank you for all the great work ! I compile your git branch regularly and it 
works very well, it's my main distro for daily telephony (I keep an eye on 
OM2009 too ;) ).

I have some questions/remarks:

- I didn't found any option for sms delivery receipt, will QTEi have this 
option in the future ? It would be really handy :)

- There is a french dictionary in the sources, but not activable during the 
configure (only en_US is available). I cheat by copying french dict on en_US 
files, but an option for other languages would be greatly appreciated (phone 
key are IMHO unusable with a foreigner dictionary).
It would be very perfect to have the choice of the dict language when we use 
phone keys.

- I my knowledge, it is not possible to change the volume during a call, it 
would be nice to add a slider.
I found the sound a little weak in the speaker, it's difficult to hear somebody 
in a noisy environment, is it possible to do a software boost ? I have already 
put 127 in control 4 of  /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state, but 
it's not enough.

- The alarm don't seem to awake the phone in deep sleep (need some tests: I 
will try again and fill a bug report)

- sometime when I look into my sim's contacts, there is nothing (but 
everything is ok most of time)

- I have followed manually the instructions of the script when I have 
installed my own compiled QTEi version, but for the bluetooth everything is 
commented, and I can't install anything related to bluetooth with opkg ("opkg 
search bluetooth" give nothing, "opkg install bluez-audio" says there is not 
package of this name), so my BT is not working :( .
It's not a big deal since I have usb cable, but I'd like to save my contacts, 
and sending vcards via BT is a solution.

Anyway everything is very usable, again thanks to you and the other devs for 
all the work.
I have no time for the moment, but I'd like to install a dev environment to 
give some help in the future :).

Cheers,
Goffi

On lundi 1 juin 2009 21:02:29 Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below)
>
> It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-)
>
> New website:
> ============
> We have a new website now, thanks to Fale: http://www.qtmoko.org
> There you can find all the latest changes, report bugs, etc ...
>
> IRC channel:
> ============
> For those wanting to talk: on irc.freenode.net, channel #qtopia is open
> for business.
>
> Things solved/added/changed:
> ============================
> See http://www.qtmoko.org/wiki/Change_log
> See http://github.com/liedekef/qtmoko/commits/master for the changelog
> in detail
>
> Problems found (more like small nuisances now):
> ===============================================
> See http://www.qtmoko.org
> - if you set the time back to something in the past, the clock service
>   crashes and you need to restart qtextended if you want to use the
>   clock again
> - bluetooth is not working totally ok, only after initial boot it
>   works, not after suspend/resume. Seems to be kernel/bluez3 version
>   combo issue ... After suspend/resume bluetooth seems to work, but
>   receiving files for sure doesn't.
> - if you try to delete the "Wireless Lan", the system crashes ... cool
>   huh, a crashed phone? So for now: don't do it :-)
> - slow building up of the Contacts, because of all the sql queries for
>   a*, b*, c*, ...
>
> Install instructions:
> =====================
> download the script
> http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qtmoko_install.sh , read the
> comments at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after
> having flashed the device and made sure internet works).
> The script has 2 options: "install" or "update". An update will just
> download the tgz file and replace your current qtmoko with it.
>
> For those who just want to replace their existing qtmoko manually,
> here's the link: http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qte_20090601.tgz .
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Franky
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community




From fabiolocati at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 23:27:00 2009
From: fabiolocati at gmail.com (Fabio Locati)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:27:00 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <200906012322.40851.goffi@goffi.org>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<200906012322.40851.goffi@goffi.org>
Message-ID: <3d9482340906011427u33406249gdd49ca87e3d0e807@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Goffi :)
About the BT: is all commented because qtmoko does not support bluez4
;). We are going to work on it ;).

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Goffi <goffi at goffi.org> wrote:
> Thank you for all the great work ! I compile your git branch regularly and it
> works very well, it's my main distro for daily telephony (I keep an eye on
> OM2009 too ;) ).
>
> I have some questions/remarks:
>
> - I didn't found any option for sms delivery receipt, will QTEi have this
> option in the future ? It would be really handy :)
>
> - There is a french dictionary in the sources, but not activable during the
> configure (only en_US is available). I cheat by copying french dict on en_US
> files, but an option for other languages would be greatly appreciated (phone
> key are IMHO unusable with a foreigner dictionary).
> It would be very perfect to have the choice of the dict language when we use
> phone keys.
>
> - I my knowledge, it is not possible to change the volume during a call, it
> would be nice to add a slider.
> I found the sound a little weak in the speaker, it's difficult to hear somebody
> in a noisy environment, is it possible to do a software boost ? I have already
> put 127 in control 4 of ?/usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state, but
> it's not enough.
>
> - The alarm don't seem to awake the phone in deep sleep (need some tests: I
> will try again and fill a bug report)
>
> - sometime when I look into my sim's contacts, there is nothing (but
> everything is ok most of time)
>
> - I have followed manually the instructions of the script when I have
> installed my own compiled QTEi version, but for the bluetooth everything is
> commented, and I can't install anything related to bluetooth with opkg ("opkg
> search bluetooth" give nothing, "opkg install bluez-audio" says there is not
> package of this name), so my BT is not working :( .
> It's not a big deal since I have usb cable, but I'd like to save my contacts,
> and sending vcards via BT is a solution.
>
> Anyway everything is very usable, again thanks to you and the other devs for
> all the work.
> I have no time for the moment, but I'd like to install a dev environment to
> give some help in the future :).
>
> Cheers,
> Goffi
>
> On lundi 1 juin 2009 21:02:29 Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
>> (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below)
>>
>> It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-)
>>
>> New website:
>> ============
>> We have a new website now, thanks to Fale: http://www.qtmoko.org
>> There you can find all the latest changes, report bugs, etc ...
>>
>> IRC channel:
>> ============
>> For those wanting to talk: on irc.freenode.net, channel #qtopia is open
>> for business.
>>
>> Things solved/added/changed:
>> ============================
>> See http://www.qtmoko.org/wiki/Change_log
>> See http://github.com/liedekef/qtmoko/commits/master for the changelog
>> in detail
>>
>> Problems found (more like small nuisances now):
>> ===============================================
>> See http://www.qtmoko.org
>> - if you set the time back to something in the past, the clock service
>> ? crashes and you need to restart qtextended if you want to use the
>> ? clock again
>> - bluetooth is not working totally ok, only after initial boot it
>> ? works, not after suspend/resume. Seems to be kernel/bluez3 version
>> ? combo issue ... After suspend/resume bluetooth seems to work, but
>> ? receiving files for sure doesn't.
>> - if you try to delete the "Wireless Lan", the system crashes ... cool
>> ? huh, a crashed phone? So for now: don't do it :-)
>> - slow building up of the Contacts, because of all the sql queries for
>> ? a*, b*, c*, ...
>>
>> Install instructions:
>> =====================
>> download the script
>> http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qtmoko_install.sh , read the
>> comments at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after
>> having flashed the device and made sure internet works).
>> The script has 2 options: "install" or "update". An update will just
>> download the tgz file and replace your current qtmoko with it.
>>
>> For those who just want to replace their existing qtmoko manually,
>> here's the link: http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qte_20090601.tgz .
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> Franky
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



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From liedekef at telenet.be  Mon Jun  1 23:33:11 2009
From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:33:11 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <200906012322.40851.goffi@goffi.org>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<200906012322.40851.goffi@goffi.org>
Message-ID: <20090601233311.62977b09@telenet.be>

Hi Goffi,

On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:22:40 +0200
Goffi <goffi at goffi.org> wrote:

> - I my knowledge, it is not possible to change the volume during a
> call, it would be nice to add a slider.
> I found the sound a little weak in the speaker, it's difficult to
> hear somebody in a noisy environment, is it possible to do a software
> boost ? I have already put 127 in control 4
> of  /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state, but it's not
> enough.

well, there exists a patch for this, I need to take a look at it ...
for now, just boost the volume in the settings

> - The alarm don't seem to awake the phone in deep sleep (need some
> tests: I will try again and fill a bug report)

since you do this manually: you need to install the atd package, that's
responsible for waking up the phone ... see the install script for this.
O btw: I again disabled deep sleep, it is now again normal "sleep" :-)

Franky



From ml at e4net.com  Tue Jun  2 02:07:33 2009
From: ml at e4net.com (Jim Morris)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:07:33 -0700
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <4A246D45.40104@e4net.com>

Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below)
> 
> It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-)

FYI...

I followed the instructions, and ran the script from ssh using the install option and it runs out of 
memory...

lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_36_75.qpf2
lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_10_50.qpf2
lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_21_75.qpf2
tar: write error: No space left on device

I'll do the install manually for now.

Thanks for your work on this.


-- 
Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com



From roguemoko at roguewrt.org  Tue Jun  2 02:28:07 2009
From: roguemoko at roguewrt.org (roguemoko at roguewrt.org)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:28:07 +1000
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin>
Message-ID: <4A247217.3060800@roguewrt.org>

On 1/06/2009 9:14 PM, arne anka wrote:
>> No, Qi doesn't support jffs2.
>
> bummer.
> how's that -- it makes qi unusable for everybody using the internal flash
> as "primary device" and forces to boot from sd card.
> not sensible imo.

I booted from flash and SD card for quite some time. Your information is 
wrong and does not contribute to this thread in any way. Unless you have 
tested this, you are just spreading FUD and creating unnecessary email 
congestion ;)

Sarton



From lpotter at trolltech.com  Tue Jun  2 05:50:45 2009
From: lpotter at trolltech.com (Lorn Potter)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:50:45 +1000
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <200906012322.40851.goffi@goffi.org>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<200906012322.40851.goffi@goffi.org>
Message-ID: <4A24A195.3000608@trolltech.com>

Goffi wrote:
> Thank you for all the great work ! I compile your git branch regularly and it 
> works very well, it's my main distro for daily telephony (I keep an eye on 
> OM2009 too ;) ).
> 
> I have some questions/remarks:
> 
> - I didn't found any option for sms delivery receipt, will QTEi have this 
> option in the future ? It would be really handy :)
> 
> - There is a french dictionary in the sources, but not activable during the 
> configure (only en_US is available). I cheat by copying french dict on en_US 
> files, but an option for other languages would be greatly appreciated (phone 
> key are IMHO unusable with a foreigner dictionary).

This would require someone to translate the ~3000 strings in Qtopia, and 
then configure it with that language enabled and then install that language.

> It would be very perfect to have the choice of the dict language when we use 
> phone keys.

Currently there is no way to do this, other than installing a new 
language and using it.
> 
> - I my knowledge, it is not possible to change the volume during a call, it 
> would be nice to add a slider.

There is, but it is rather difficult. (during a call) Settings->Call 
Options->Call Volume. But it doesn't currently remember this setting.

> I found the sound a little weak in the speaker, it's difficult to hear somebody 
> in a noisy environment, is it possible to do a software boost ? I have already 
> put 127 in control 4 of  /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state, but 
> it's not enough.
> 
> - The alarm don't seem to awake the phone in deep sleep (need some tests: I 
> will try again and fill a bug report)
> 

known bug. patches welcome. :)

> - sometime when I look into my sim's contacts, there is nothing (but 
> everything is ok most of time)
> 
> - I have followed manually the instructions of the script when I have 
> installed my own compiled QTEi version, but for the bluetooth everything is 
> commented, and I can't install anything related to bluetooth with opkg ("opkg 
> search bluetooth" give nothing, "opkg install bluez-audio" says there is not 
> package of this name), so my BT is not working :( .
> It's not a big deal since I have usb cable, but I'd like to save my contacts, 
> and sending vcards via BT is a solution.
> 
> Anyway everything is very usable, again thanks to you and the other devs for 
> all the work.
> I have no time for the moment, but I'd like to install a dev environment to 
> give some help in the future :).
> 
> Cheers,
> Goffi
> 
> On lundi 1 juin 2009 21:02:29 Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
>> (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below)
>>
>> It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-)
>>
>> New website:
>> ============
>> We have a new website now, thanks to Fale: http://www.qtmoko.org
>> There you can find all the latest changes, report bugs, etc ...
>>
>> IRC channel:
>> ============
>> For those wanting to talk: on irc.freenode.net, channel #qtopia is open
>> for business.
>>
>> Things solved/added/changed:
>> ============================
>> See http://www.qtmoko.org/wiki/Change_log
>> See http://github.com/liedekef/qtmoko/commits/master for the changelog
>> in detail
>>
>> Problems found (more like small nuisances now):
>> ===============================================
>> See http://www.qtmoko.org
>> - if you set the time back to something in the past, the clock service
>>   crashes and you need to restart qtextended if you want to use the
>>   clock again
>> - bluetooth is not working totally ok, only after initial boot it
>>   works, not after suspend/resume. Seems to be kernel/bluez3 version
>>   combo issue ... After suspend/resume bluetooth seems to work, but
>>   receiving files for sure doesn't.
>> - if you try to delete the "Wireless Lan", the system crashes ... cool
>>   huh, a crashed phone? So for now: don't do it :-)
>> - slow building up of the Contacts, because of all the sql queries for
>>   a*, b*, c*, ...
>>
>> Install instructions:
>> =====================
>> download the script
>> http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qtmoko_install.sh , read the
>> comments at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after
>> having flashed the device and made sure internet works).
>> The script has 2 options: "install" or "update". An update will just
>> download the tgz file and replace your current qtmoko with it.
>>
>> For those who just want to replace their existing qtmoko manually,
>> here's the link: http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qte_20090601.tgz .
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> Franky
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 


-- 
Lorn Potter, Software Engineer, Qt Software R & D, Nokia



From liedekef at telenet.be  Tue Jun  2 09:19:45 2009
From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:19:45 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <4A246D45.40104@e4net.com>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be> <4A246D45.40104@e4net.com>
Message-ID: <60567dcc0906020019u4fe6d385u2ef674839fbd8451@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Jim Morris <ml at e4net.com> wrote:
> Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
>> (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below)
>>
>> It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-)
>
> FYI...
>
> I followed the instructions, and ran the script from ssh using the install option and it runs out of
> memory...
>
> lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_36_75.qpf2
> lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_10_50.qpf2
> lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_21_75.qpf2
> tar: write error: No space left on device

if this happens, it doesn't mean "out of memory", but out of disk
space, which means you have many things installed that are not
required. Probably you're using another kernel/rootfs and extra stuff.
Simple action: clean up ...

Franky



From joezeewails at yahoo.de  Tue Jun  2 09:56:11 2009
From: joezeewails at yahoo.de (joezeewails)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:56:11 +0200
Subject: Openmoko Workshop-Wochenende =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=FCnchen?=
Message-ID: <4A24DB1B.4040707@yahoo.de>

Termin ist fixiert:

Fr. 3.7. ca. 18:00 bis
Sa 4.7.

Location voraussichtl. Hochschule M?nchen, Lothstr. 64


Buzz-Fix-Party wird aller Voraussicht nach nicht m?glich sein.

geplante Inhalte:

* Einstieg in die FSO-Programmierung mit Mickey Lauer
* wie programmiert man unter Python, ...
* alternative Distributionen - Vorteile/Nachteile
* was macht man mit dem Freerunner
* Programmier-Session Python
*Programmier Session C/C++ und SDL, wieder anhand richtigen Beispiels.
*Feedback C++
*Hardware am Freerunner oder QuantumStep auf dem FR oder Abspecken eines
Linuxsystem oder wie vollst?ndiges Backup machen oder Multiboot einrichten.
* weitere W?nsche...

http://doodle.com/d5wzgyd68sid66zp

http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1112&sid=cb68e7deb8eef5c72f9696b63bf09ce7&start=45




From goffi at goffi.org  Tue Jun  2 10:22:10 2009
From: goffi at goffi.org (Goffi)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:22:10 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <4A24A195.3000608@trolltech.com>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<200906012322.40851.goffi@goffi.org>
	<4A24A195.3000608@trolltech.com>
Message-ID: <200906021022.10521.goffi@goffi.org>

Le mardi 2 juin 2009 05:50:45, Lorn Potter a ?crit :
> Goffi wrote:
> This would require someone to translate the ~3000 strings in Qtopia, and
> then configure it with that language enabled and then install that
> language.

It is not possible to have an option just for the dict ? The translation of 
the 3000 strings would take some time and the dicts are already in the sources 
! IMO it's not a big deal for most users to have the interface in english, but 
the dictionary is more important.
Anyway, by copying the french file over the en_US ones, it works (it's just a 
little less handy than a compilation option).

Cheers
Goffi



From cchandel at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  2 10:26:38 2009
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 01:26:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.18
In-Reply-To: <1243852355191-3005537.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1243250505215-2969146.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<200905252208.48218.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<1243302658564-2972512.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<200905270938.17242.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<1243432013254-2981136.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1243434162301-2981391.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<d3e504410905270814w661bf65bgdf7b2b55959ae3b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00905271009u4102f924te1c91199198443fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1243491593948-2985771.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<f8d5d4f30906010007i63593cecs95e1f1823aec48f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1243852355191-3005537.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1243931198956-3010896.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,
 Here's the latest version. 
http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3010896/launcher_0.20_arm.ipk
launcher_0.20_arm.ipk 

  Changes :-

 * Transparent Icons
 * Toolbar

  Well, I need some feedback about whether the toolbar is better or should I
go back to the hover drop down.

 Screenshot
http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3010896/launcher.png 
-- 
View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha%29-Release-0.18-tp2969146p3010896.html
Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.




From frobiac at googlemail.com  Tue Jun  2 10:28:26 2009
From: frobiac at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Fr=F6be?=)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:28:26 +0200
Subject: Debuzzing
In-Reply-To: <679C6C52-2239-40F2-A756-CE32D77385E5@computer.org>
References: <A5E128F4-F844-4FD0-9B4B-8E30422BE843@computer.org> 
	<200905291047.18880.neurolabs@web.de>
	<DFE62FC6-7027-4AA8-8CF4-A103990CEA82@computer.org> 
	<679C6C52-2239-40F2-A756-CE32D77385E5@computer.org>
Message-ID: <58a51a770906020128q6e7409f3q67445d54858a895@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to a very special delivery service by "Dr.N" himself (thanks again,
and sorry for the inconvenience that followed!) I was able to test my
Buzz-Fixed FR over the weekend and must say I am quite impressed: With a new
alsa statefile nobody was complaining about buzz, echo or general lack of
loudness anymore!
Since the battery lasted the whole saturday afternoon ( GPS on, GSM off) I
hope the current consumption of ~300mA that I got this morning can be
attributed to some software changes only, so I guess operation buzzfix was
sucessfull!

So thanks again and a big thumbs-up for Nikolaus who made this possible in
the most customer-friendly way!

Stefan
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From robin.paulson at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 10:38:53 2009
From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:38:53 +1200
Subject: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend
In-Reply-To: <1241686194478-2826812.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<2f3aa2770905011922t67b076bcx950083d5159fe2c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<2f3aa2770905020314h6191accav9ff37a968667b1ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<1241603736204-2810025.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<2f3aa2770905060443q4c493920sca7035c1aa44c254@mail.gmail.com>
	<1241614199610-2814123.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<2f3aa2770905061712l69829eb9ve6abe6980b3f4d35@mail.gmail.com>
	<1241658189712-2825510.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20090507102703.48e173a4@penguin.cz>
	<1241686194478-2826812.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <2f3aa2770906020138v170c541jc87c2e48597a5490@mail.gmail.com>

2009/5/7 c_c <cchandel at yahoo.com>:
> ?Thanks. Hope the playing song resumes correctly on call hang up.
> ?Any other feedback?
> --

hi c_c, hope you're still developing intone  i've got a feature request:

could you add some notification of which track is currently playing? i
realise the black bar follows the current track, but it can also be
moved arbitrarily - could you, say, change the colour of the green
double note icon, to blue, for the track which is playing?

cheers



From risto at kurppa.fi  Tue Jun  2 10:48:22 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:48:22 +0300
Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_Openmoko_Workshop=2DWochenende_M=C3=BCnchen?=
In-Reply-To: <4A24DB1B.4040707@yahoo.de>
References: <4A24DB1B.4040707@yahoo.de>
Message-ID: <d3e504410906020148i7bf6f8a1nda81b92303d8dec4@mail.gmail.com>

2009/6/2 joezeewails <joezeewails at yahoo.de>:
> Termin ist fixiert:
>
> Fr. 3.7. ca. 18:00 bis
> Sa 4.7.
>
> Location voraussichtl. Hochschule M?nchen, Lothstr. 64
>
>
> Buzz-Fix-Party wird aller Voraussicht nach nicht m?glich sein.
>
> geplante Inhalte:



Looks good - but could you also provide an English version of the
message or at least tell if the event is German-only.

Thanks!


r




-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi



From vanous at penguin.cz  Tue Jun  2 10:54:10 2009
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:54:10 +0200
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.18
References: <1243250505215-2969146.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<200905252208.48218.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<1243302658564-2972512.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<200905270938.17242.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<1243432013254-2981136.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1243434162301-2981391.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<d3e504410905270814w661bf65bgdf7b2b55959ae3b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00905271009u4102f924te1c91199198443fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1243491593948-2985771.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<f8d5d4f30906010007i63593cecs95e1f1823aec48f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1243852355191-3005537.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1243931198956-3010896.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <20090602105410.5c7a5357@laptop-vanek>

> Here's the latest version. 
>http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3010896/launcher_0.20_arm.ipk
>launcher_0.20_arm.ipk 

installing now, will let you know. wow, looks damn good! 

How about clicking on the date/time brigs up the Home category? (quick
way home?)

Also one more thing that could be applied - when launcher is running
and i install new apps, launcher needs to be restarted to find out
about it - perhaps running this scan while entering the "Set app
categories" screen would be good?

keep up the great work!

Petr





From lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net  Tue Jun  2 11:12:05 2009
From: lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net (Ben Wong)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 02:12:05 -0700
Subject: boxar : New Audio Application (download or watch video)
In-Reply-To: <78a9ab5d0906011206x7620c42fuaeb7f0433a7e29d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <78a9ab5d0906011206x7620c42fuaeb7f0433a7e29d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47e8c68d0906020212h7e196bb9h81441f34c6eba057@mail.gmail.com>

Nice!  There should be more fun applets like this.  Do you have plans
to make it run any faster?  Right now there's significant lag before I
hear the notes (perhaps due to ESD?).  Also, the sound stutters
whenever the pointer (my finger) moves, even if I'm not pressing a
different note.

Thanks for the nice port!

--Ben

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 12:06 PM, RzR www.rzr.online.fr
<www.rzr.online.fr at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear openmoko users
>
> Here is an other Audio Application for Openmoko platform :
>
> Boxar is a kind of piano using the full surface of the touch screen to
> display scales
>
> It was created by Sampath Jagananthan on the Nokia n8x0
> but I built it for the openmoko (GTA02 Running SHR) as well.
>
> Head to this page for download it or watch video demo :
>
> URL: http://rzr.online.fr/q/esd
>
> I'll make an other release if it can be supported on other OM distributions ...
>
> Find me online or contact: http://rzr.online.fr/contact.htm
>
>
> --
> Related Obsession : http://rzr.online.fr/q/openmoko
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



From jahckal at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 11:13:27 2009
From: jahckal at gmail.com (jahckal)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:13:27 +0200
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.18
In-Reply-To: <1243931198956-3010896.post@n2.nabble.com>
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2009/6/2 c_c <cchandel at yahoo.com>

>
> Hi,
>  Here's the latest version.
> http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3010896/launcher_0.20_arm.ipk
> launcher_0.20_arm.ipk
>
>  Changes :-
>
>  * Transparent Icons

Thanks!


>   * Toolbar
>
>  Well, I need some feedback about whether the toolbar is better or should I
> go back to the hover drop down.
>

Yes. I like it!

Some issues & thouhgts:
1) Utility has no icon
2) When i choose Uncategorized, toolbar is missing. Maybe ther are too many
icons in this category, so toolbar is going down out of the screen? And no
way to go back to other category - restart is necessary.
3) I've got to delete launcher.db made under 0.18 version. Otherwise it
segfaults.
4) What do you think about possibility to attach one program to more than
one category? I'd like to see terminal on every launcher screen :-)
5) What do you think about configurable size (height) of toolbar? Just
Small, Medium, Large would be enough.
6) What do you think about configuration of categories order (not just
alphabetic)?

And thanks a lot for great job!

-- 
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From cchandel at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  2 11:51:35 2009
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 02:51:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.18
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Hi,

Petr Vanek wrote:
> 
> How about clicking on the date/time brigs up the Home category? (quick
> way home?)
> 
  That's a nice idea. Will implement that in the next version.

Petr Vanek wrote:
> 
> when launcher is running and i install new apps, launcher needs to be
> restarted to find out about it
> 
  Coming soon. Will be monitoring the /usr/share/applications directory for
changes.


jahckal wrote:
> 
> 1) Utility has no icon
> 
  Well, missed that. I changed the category name to Utilities. There is a
utilities.png in /usr/share/launcher. Change it to utility.png.

jahckal wrote:
> 
> 2) When i choose Uncategorized, toolbar is missing. Maybe there are too
> many icons in this category, so toolbar is going down out of the screen?
> And no way to go back to other category - restart is necessary.
> 
  Ok. That should get resolved once the scroller for the icons starts
working. 

jahckal wrote:
> 
> 3) I've got to delete launcher.db made under 0.18 version. Otherwise it
> segfaults.
> 
  That should not happen. Will test and resolve.

jahckal wrote:
> 
> 4) What do you think about possibility to attach one program to more than
> one category? I'd like to see terminal on every launcher screen :-)
> 
  That can be done. Currently, add entries in the app_cat table (using
sqlite3) for the required app (terminal) with all the categories you want to
see it in. eg name:terminal category:Home

jahckal wrote:
> 
> 5) What do you think about configurable size (height) of toolbar? Just
> Small, Medium, Large would be enough.
> 
  Well, let me see what I can do about that.

jahckal wrote:
> 
> 6) What do you think about configuration of categories order (not just
> alphabetic)?
> 
  Hmmm, I'm looking at an easy way of finding a way to sort icons as per
user requirements. I'll apply the same to the categories too.

  Thanks for the suggestions guys. I'm also looking at increasing the size
of the missed calls and sms icons.
  Any other wishes?
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From cchandel at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  2 11:54:48 2009
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 02:54:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend
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Hi,

Robin Paulson wrote:
> 
> hi c_c, hope you're still developing intone
> 
  Yup. Intone is still being developed - though the pace has reduced. :-)

Robin Paulson wrote:
> 
> could you, say, change the colour of the green
> double note icon, to blue, for the track which is playing?
> 
  Ok. Will add that for the next release. I'm currently working on making
the music management part simpler.
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From ssj2micvm at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 12:25:53 2009
From: ssj2micvm at gmail.com (Michele Brocco)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:25:53 +0200
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Openmoko_Workshop=2DWochenende_M=FCnchen?=
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References: <4A24DB1B.4040707@yahoo.de>
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Is it still possible to register for it or is the registration already
closed? If yes, where?

2009/6/2 joezeewails <joezeewails at yahoo.de>:
> Termin ist fixiert:
>
> Fr. 3.7. ca. 18:00 bis
> Sa 4.7.
>
> Location voraussichtl. Hochschule M?nchen, Lothstr. 64
>
>
> Buzz-Fix-Party wird aller Voraussicht nach nicht m?glich sein.
>
> geplante Inhalte:
>
> * Einstieg in die FSO-Programmierung mit Mickey Lauer
> * wie programmiert man unter Python, ...
> * alternative Distributionen - Vorteile/Nachteile
> * was macht man mit dem Freerunner
> * Programmier-Session Python
> *Programmier Session C/C++ und SDL, wieder anhand richtigen Beispiels.
> *Feedback C++
> *Hardware am Freerunner oder QuantumStep auf dem FR oder Abspecken eines
> Linuxsystem oder wie vollst?ndiges Backup machen oder Multiboot einrichten.
> * weitere W?nsche...
>
> http://doodle.com/d5wzgyd68sid66zp
>
> http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1112&sid=cb68e7deb8eef5c72f9696b63bf09ce7&start=45
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 13:16:41 2009
From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 04:16:41 -0700
Subject: boxar : New Audio Application (download or watch video)
In-Reply-To: <47e8c68d0906020212h7e196bb9h81441f34c6eba057@mail.gmail.com>
References: <78a9ab5d0906011206x7620c42fuaeb7f0433a7e29d2@mail.gmail.com>
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looks fun. thought next time you do a example movie try to avoid lots of
background light : )

- jeremy

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:12 AM, Ben Wong <lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net>wrote:

> Nice!  There should be more fun applets like this.  Do you have plans
> to make it run any faster?  Right now there's significant lag before I
> hear the notes (perhaps due to ESD?).  Also, the sound stutters
> whenever the pointer (my finger) moves, even if I'm not pressing a
> different note.
>
> Thanks for the nice port!
>
> --Ben
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 12:06 PM, RzR www.rzr.online.fr
> <www.rzr.online.fr at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear openmoko users
> >
> > Here is an other Audio Application for Openmoko platform :
> >
> > Boxar is a kind of piano using the full surface of the touch screen to
> > display scales
> >
> > It was created by Sampath Jagananthan on the Nokia n8x0
> > but I built it for the openmoko (GTA02 Running SHR) as well.
> >
> > Head to this page for download it or watch video demo :
> >
> > URL: http://rzr.online.fr/q/esd
> >
> > I'll make an other release if it can be supported on other OM
> distributions ...
> >
> > Find me online or contact: http://rzr.online.fr/contact.htm
> >
> >
> > --
> > Related Obsession : http://rzr.online.fr/q/openmoko
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
>
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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From frazier.cameron at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 15:11:23 2009
From: frazier.cameron at gmail.com (Cameron Frazier)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:11:23 -0500
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
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Just to provide another data point for those in doubt, I run Qi with
SHR on the NAND, and no uSD install.  The only issue I have is that
/boot on the NAND is not respected/read, but I can live with that.

No additional configuration was required, I flashed Qi and it just worked.

Kind regards,

Cameron 'Toaster' Frazier



From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Tue Jun  2 15:19:29 2009
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:19:29 +0200
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <dae089cf0906020611y5478bfe2n9a30d6f6b2a7d124@mail.gmail.com>
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> Just to provide another data point for those in doubt, I run Qi with
> SHR on the NAND, and no uSD install.  The only issue I have is that
> /boot on the NAND is not respected/read, but I can live with that.


how does one add additional kernel arguments, which according to the wiki  
is done by creating a file /boot/append-GTA0[123]?

oops, sorry. i forgot, questioning qi is spreading fud and causing mail  
congestion ...



From frazier.cameron at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 15:28:07 2009
From: frazier.cameron at gmail.com (Cameron Frazier)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:28:07 -0500
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
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On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:19 AM, arne anka <openmoko at ginguppin.de> wrote:
>> Just to provide another data point for those in doubt, I run Qi with
>> SHR on the NAND, and no uSD install. ?The only issue I have is that
>> /boot on the NAND is not respected/read, but I can live with that.
>
>
> how does one add additional kernel arguments, which according to the wiki
> is done by creating a file /boot/append-GTA0[123]?
>
> oops, sorry. i forgot, questioning qi is spreading fud and causing mail
> congestion ...
>
>

Arne,

My understanding is that not respecting the /boot/append-GTA0[123] is
a NAND-only hardcoded limitation, since NAND has different partitions
for ROOTFS and KERNEL.  I suppose I could have been clearer before.
Apologies.

Honest questioning is never FUD, and honest answers are never a cause
of mail congestion.

Kind regards,

Cameron 'Toaster' Frazier



From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Tue Jun  2 15:40:37 2009
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:40:37 +0200
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <dae089cf0906020628x360d53aale60c44f3b123983d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
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> My understanding is that not respecting the /boot/append-GTA0[123] is
> a NAND-only hardcoded limitation, since NAND has different partitions
> for ROOTFS and KERNEL.

that's what i understood and i specifically looked into the wiki, to make  
sure i understood right.
still, if /boot/ is not read, appending arguments is impossible.

> I suppose I could have been clearer before.
> Apologies.

not necessary.



From chris at csamuel.org  Tue Jun  2 15:53:35 2009
From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:53:35 +1000
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
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Message-ID: <200906022353.39547.chris@csamuel.org>

On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:28:07 pm Cameron Frazier wrote:

> My understanding is that not respecting the /boot/append-GTA0[123] is
> a NAND-only hardcoded limitation, since NAND has different partitions
> for ROOTFS and KERNEL.

I suspect that it's more to do with the fact that Qi only understands 
ext2/ext3 and so can't mount a JFFS2 (or FAT) filesystem to look inside it.

-- 
 Chris Samuel  :  http://www.csamuel.org/  :  Melbourne, VIC

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From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Tue Jun  2 16:15:36 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:15:36 +0100
Subject: Solar backpack (Solar charger)
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You might like to check this comparison of dynamo efficiency [1]. The Shimano 
has as much drag with the lights off as on! It's missing the B&M [2] models 
though, which is a pity as they do a 12V 6W bottle model with a claimed 
efficiency of 70%, beating even the Schmidt. The LightSPIN had a similar 
verified efficiency so it's possible, but they're out of production now, and 
were quirky to get DC out of.

[1] http://myra-simon.com/bike/dynotest.html
[2] http://www.bumm.de/

On Saturday 23 May 2009, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
> in australia there is a company  called www.pedalpower.com that has
> the full solution, I trying to reach them but with any luck I will try
> again tomorrow morning. but in  parelell I trying to make my own
> solution, just a aux batery able to recharge while charging providing
> 500mA will do the trick, just precharge that battery and it will at
> least be mantained by the dynamo. I still searching for one that
> fits. For the dynamo hubs , my local bike workshop is searching for an
> affordable one(shimano, afiline..), but the main problem is that all
> dynamo hubs requires to unmount and remount the hole wheel, and this
> is  an added cost in the total  amount. so he is also searching for
> wheels with the dynamo hub already mounted. once I got information I
> will post.
>
> 2009/5/23 Michal Brzozowski <rusolis at poczta.fm>:
> > Ok, I wasn't specific enough. What I'm looking for is exactly that thing
> > in the middle :-) that will output the 500mA or 1A through a USB.
> >
> > Is a bike dynamo powerful enough to provide the 500mA or 1A to charge the
> > Freerunner?
> >
> > 2009/5/23 David Reyes Samblas Martinez <david at tuxbrain.com>
> >
> >> look at http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/lighting/shimano.html
> >>
> >> but remember you will have to have a good voltage regulator or better
> >> a battery charger able to charge itself and the neo at time, in the
> >> middle, to avoid the current variance of the dinamo
> >>
> >> 2009/5/23 Michal Brzozowski <rusolis at poczta.fm>:
> >> > 2009/5/21 Al Johnson <openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
> >> >
> >> >> If you want something effective for emergencies or extended periods
> >> >> away
> >> >> from
> >> >> power a mechanical device is probably more effective. For cycling a
> >> >> good
> >> >> dynamo will provide more, and more reliable, power than any
> >> >> bike-mounted
> >> >> solar
> >> >> panel. Other than that there are some good quality hand cranked
> >> >> generators
> >> >> available, along with a lot of bad ones. There are even a few devices
> >> >> that
> >> >> will take energy from irregular movement, a bit like a self-winding
> >> >> watch.
> >> >
> >> > I'm looking for a bicycle or hand driven dynamo for use with
> >> > Freerunner. Do
> >> > you have any links where to find such devices?




From wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca  Tue Jun  2 16:33:22 2009
From: wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca (Warren Baird)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:33:22 -0400
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.18
In-Reply-To: <1243491593948-2985771.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1243250505215-2969146.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<200905252208.48218.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<1243302658564-2972512.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<200905270938.17242.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<1243432013254-2981136.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1243434162301-2981391.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<d3e504410905270814w661bf65bgdf7b2b55959ae3b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00905271009u4102f924te1c91199198443fc@mail.gmail.com>
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hey c_c - sorry for the slow reply - missed the updates on this thread.

Yeah, I could contribute some wallpapers - probably under a CC-Attrib-Share
Alike license, if that's acceptable to you...

I can just pull some 640x480 excerpts from my works.

How many would you like?   And how do you feel about tasteful nudity?  :-)

Warren


On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 2:19 AM, c_c <cchandel at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Hi,
> @ Warren Baird - Hey I saw that you're a digital artist. Can you contribute
> some wallpapers? :-) Just a thought.
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha%29-Release-0.18-tp2969146p2985771.html
> Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



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From unachievable at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 16:37:21 2009
From: unachievable at gmail.com (ivvmm)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:37:21 +0400
Subject: usb0 vs eth0
In-Reply-To: <200906010928.37499.nytowl@openmoko.org>
References: <1243834651.5778.36.camel@x-desk>	<aee831ab0906010432v5ac5eea3ja260ae7d17c3bae4@mail.gmail.com>	<4A23EBBB.4080200@gmail.com>
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Angus Ainslie wrote:
> On June 1, 2009 08:54:51 am ivvmm wrote:
>> Read the section for Slackware on that wiki page. This way that will do
>> the right routing whatever the interface is called so you will not have
>> to think how is it named at this time.
>>
>> As for me, I experience another problem: cannot connect to the
>> freerunner twice, only once until device is rebooted. How this can be
>> solvfed?
> 
> On the host side  
> 
> ifdown ethx; ifup ethx
> 
> Angus

I'm running Slackware and this obviously will not work. What am I
supposed to do?

P.S. "sudo /sbin/ip l set eth0 down && sudp /sbin/ip l set eth0 up" will
not help

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From nytowl at openmoko.org  Tue Jun  2 16:50:44 2009
From: nytowl at openmoko.org (Angus Ainslie)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:50:44 -0600
Subject: usb0 vs eth0
In-Reply-To: <4A253921.4050907@gmail.com>
References: <1243834651.5778.36.camel@x-desk>
	<200906010928.37499.nytowl@openmoko.org>
	<4A253921.4050907@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200906020850.44860.nytowl@openmoko.org>

On June 2, 2009 08:37:21 am ivvmm wrote:
>
> I'm running Slackware and this obviously will not work. What am I
> supposed to do?
>
> P.S. "sudo /sbin/ip l set eth0 down && sudp /sbin/ip l set eth0 up" will
> not help

Never used slackware but something like below should work on most unix's

ifconfig ethx down
ifconfig ethx 192.168.0.200 mask 255.255.255.0 up

Angus



From wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca  Tue Jun  2 17:34:47 2009
From: wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca (Warren Baird)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:34:47 -0400
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.18
In-Reply-To: <1243936295657-3011215.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1243250505215-2969146.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1243434162301-2981391.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<d3e504410905270814w661bf65bgdf7b2b55959ae3b8@mail.gmail.com>
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I like the new version - the transparency looks a lot better!

I'm not sure about the scroll bar at the bottom to select the
categories...   I agree it's prettier - but it's also slower to find the
category you want.   Before it was always just two clicks, now it can be
'drag, drag, drag, click'...

also - I can't figure out how to edit the list of category in this version -
how do I do that?

Hmm - do you track when and how many times each app is launched?   I'd love
to see automatically populated categories for 'most recent' and 'most
popular' or something like that...

Warren


On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 5:51 AM, c_c <cchandel at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Petr Vanek wrote:
> >
> > How about clicking on the date/time brigs up the Home category? (quick
> > way home?)
> >
>   That's a nice idea. Will implement that in the next version.
>
> Petr Vanek wrote:
> >
> > when launcher is running and i install new apps, launcher needs to be
> > restarted to find out about it
> >
>   Coming soon. Will be monitoring the /usr/share/applications directory for
> changes.
>
>
> jahckal wrote:
> >
> > 1) Utility has no icon
> >
>   Well, missed that. I changed the category name to Utilities. There is a
> utilities.png in /usr/share/launcher. Change it to utility.png.
>
> jahckal wrote:
> >
> > 2) When i choose Uncategorized, toolbar is missing. Maybe there are too
> > many icons in this category, so toolbar is going down out of the screen?
> > And no way to go back to other category - restart is necessary.
> >
>   Ok. That should get resolved once the scroller for the icons starts
> working.
>
> jahckal wrote:
> >
> > 3) I've got to delete launcher.db made under 0.18 version. Otherwise it
> > segfaults.
> >
>   That should not happen. Will test and resolve.
>
> jahckal wrote:
> >
> > 4) What do you think about possibility to attach one program to more than
> > one category? I'd like to see terminal on every launcher screen :-)
> >
>   That can be done. Currently, add entries in the app_cat table (using
> sqlite3) for the required app (terminal) with all the categories you want
> to
> see it in. eg name:terminal category:Home
>
> jahckal wrote:
> >
> > 5) What do you think about configurable size (height) of toolbar? Just
> > Small, Medium, Large would be enough.
> >
>   Well, let me see what I can do about that.
>
> jahckal wrote:
> >
> > 6) What do you think about configuration of categories order (not just
> > alphabetic)?
> >
>   Hmmm, I'm looking at an easy way of finding a way to sort icons as per
> user requirements. I'll apply the same to the categories too.
>
>  Thanks for the suggestions guys. I'm also looking at increasing the size
> of the missed calls and sms icons.
>  Any other wishes?
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha%29-Release-0.20-tp2969146p3011215.html
> Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
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From sean at openmoko.com  Tue Jun  2 17:59:50 2009
From: sean at openmoko.com (Sean Moss-Pultz)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:59:50 +0800
Subject: Freerunner's Future
Message-ID: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Community,

As some of you have heard, we had a layoff at Openmoko on Monday, May
25th. First of all let me second the comments made here congratulating
the Openmoko team on all that was accomplished. And let me add that
everything accomplished was only possible because of the amazing
efforts of the community.

Bringing the Neo products to market, first the 1973 and then the
Freerunner, has been the most exceptional experience of our lives. I
can undeniably say that the most important thing we have learned over
these years is that the power of people bound by ideals, rather than
contracts, cannot be underestimated. These phones are your success.
 From simple things like group sales to complex undertakings like
developing and maintaining entire distributions, you made this happen.
You always came through for us. As CEO, I have to determine the best
path forward for our phone business. And after long discussions with
my key people and Board, we've decided that the best path foreword is
to turn the future of the Freerunner over to the community.

We've always said that the talent and creativity of those outside the
company is superior to that inside the company. We have stuck to these
principles. We've have opened up more than any other phone, from any
other company, in the history of this industry. Every time we chose
openness over internal control, we have been rewarded.

Former Openmoko employees have already started redesigning the
Freerunner hardware (gta02-core) using only Free Software tools.
Werner Almesberger, working with many others, has made great progress.
Recently, we have released more information to accelerate their
efforts. In the coming weeks, all the design information will be
handed over to the community along with all of openmoko.org (Wiki,
GIT, Trac, Planet, ...). Openmoko Inc. then will act as the sponsor of
this effort. We will continue to fund all necessary server
infrastructure and support, in areas where corporate help is needed,
future open phone development. (Parts of this process will require
legal work - so I request your patience.)

I am extremely excited about the idea of an entirely community-built
open phone. Especially since, when the next design is complete, it
will have the benefits of everything uncovered since the Freerunner
shipped last July. It will be buzz free, glamo free, and free of the
recamping bug (#1024) - which I am happy to announce has been solved
this past week. We promise to support these efforts with additional
resources such as components to build prototypes of the new design. We
will help to empower you to build the open phone of our future.

After all this, there is one last thing that Openmoko the company can
do: we can enable the community to use the Openmoko brand and
trademark for these efforts. For us, the Openmoko brand is synonymous
with the people who built the products: Harald, Mickey, Werner,
Raster, all of my coworkers in our Taiwan office, Sureda, Tuxbrain,
Bearstech, and countless others. I personally want to give an extra
special thanks to Steve Mosher who has taught me so much about
marketing, writing, and well...life. Without his guidance, this all
would have only been an idea in my notebook.

I have asked Steve to lead an effort, over the next few weeks, to
gather input from the community on how best to implement this
transition. (He will follow up shortly on the community mailing list.)
As always we can expect some negative comments, that comes with the
territory. But we believe a community that owns everything of
importance, with regard to the Freerunner, will focus efforts and
energies on the future - not the past.

Sales of the current FreeRunner (A7), will continue as before. We have
plenty more in stock. Now that the phone is freed, and its future
entrusted to the hands of the community, Openmoko Inc. will start
another effort on an altogether different type of device. We've sized
our company to go do that task. Please wish us the very best of luck!
More details will follow in the coming months...


Sincerely,

Sean Moss-Pultz



From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Tue Jun  2 18:40:39 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:40:39 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] [SHR] Podboy (0.0.1 - pre-alpha release)
In-Reply-To: <c3e817ba0905280141g6fd95a2ra1c802f53c912714@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A02BFE1.3080608@easter-eggs.com>
	<4A1DB55F.9040303@easter-eggs.com>
	<c3e817ba0905280141g6fd95a2ra1c802f53c912714@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200906021740.43675.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Thursday 28 May 2009, Russell Hay wrote:
> thanks for the updates - I'll convert any future PNG's...
>
> The wired headset isn't mono - for some reason only the right hand side
> audio resumes after a call... strange!
> Russ

Sounds like the phone app is setting stereoout.state at the end of the call 
rather than reverting to the previous state.

>
>
> 2009/5/27 Valery Febvre <vfebvre at easter-eggs.com>
>
> > Russell Hay wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm using Podboy on my morning commute now (SHR-testing) - much
> > > appreciated! Two observations though..
> > >
> > >  - the image file associated with the rss feed isn't scaled properly in
> > > some cases and expands all the dialogs off the visible screen area...
> > > the example that immediately comes to mind is the rss feed for the
> > > linux link tech show.
> >
> > Scaling seems to be buggy with PNG covers :-( I don't know why.
> > To fix the problem, you can convert PNG cover into JPG (but keeps the
> > same name techshow-slackware1.png)
> >
> > >  - after an incoming call, the audio resumes, but only the audio on the
> > > Right hand side... left hand audio remains mute, but appears to come
> > > out of the unit itself?
> >
> > Do you speak about speaker(s) ? Isn't it mono ?
> >
> > > Finally - and somewhat off-topic, it doesn't appear as though the wired
> > > headset is usable for receiving incomming calls - so there's a bit of a
> > > scrabble around to take calls! I'll hunt around for any fixes for
> > > that..
> > >
> > > again though - great app!
> > >
> > > Russ
> >
> > --
> > Val?ry
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community





From rms at 1407.org  Tue Jun  2 18:44:04 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:44:04 +0100
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090602164404.GC20804@roque.1407.org>

Hi Sean,

Thanks for all the fish :) [fortunatly without a "So long and" in the
beggining] and most of all thanks for communicating all this.

Most companies are not so bravely outspoken, and I'm only sad it didn't
go better in the "end". As a phoenix, it has the potential to rebirth
as a glorious firebird.

Moving along, although the phone is very open, there are a few problems
that are hidden under NDAs. Without improvement in this area, I fear the
Freerunner is as good as dead, and only the next model will have some
hope.

For now, I'm hoping my Freerunner improves enough to last long, as I don't
expect another Free Software phone to come up anytime soon.

Best of luck on the new venture,
Rui



From steve at openmoko.com  Tue Jun  2 19:30:14 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:30:14 -0700
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2561A6.4010306@openmoko.com>

  Thanks Sean for the kind words and for the opportunity to do something
unique.  i spent some time thinking about how I want to organize
the community responses. I have a list of FAQs from werner ( somewhere
here in the pile of mail) and I want to solicit ideas from the community 
  on what OM can do to support the community efforts.

I am leaning toward putting Werner's FAQ on the wiki  and also having
a wiki entry for  a community "wish list" where the wishes are directed
at how OM can help.

Anybody who is better at wiki than me volunteer, please.

Steve

Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
> Dear Community,
> 
> As some of you have heard, we had a layoff at Openmoko on Monday, May
> 25th. First of all let me second the comments made here congratulating
> the Openmoko team on all that was accomplished. And let me add that
> everything accomplished was only possible because of the amazing
> efforts of the community.
> 
> Bringing the Neo products to market, first the 1973 and then the
> Freerunner, has been the most exceptional experience of our lives. I
> can undeniably say that the most important thing we have learned over
> these years is that the power of people bound by ideals, rather than
> contracts, cannot be underestimated. These phones are your success.
>>From simple things like group sales to complex undertakings like
> developing and maintaining entire distributions, you made this happen.
> You always came through for us. As CEO, I have to determine the best
> path forward for our phone business. And after long discussions with
> my key people and Board, we've decided that the best path foreword is
> to turn the future of the Freerunner over to the community.
> 
> We've always said that the talent and creativity of those outside the
> company is superior to that inside the company. We have stuck to these
> principles. We've have opened up more than any other phone, from any
> other company, in the history of this industry. Every time we chose
> openness over internal control, we have been rewarded.
> 
> Former Openmoko employees have already started redesigning the
> Freerunner hardware (gta02-core) using only Free Software tools.
> Werner Almesberger, working with many others, has made great progress.
> Recently, we have released more information to accelerate their
> efforts. In the coming weeks, all the design information will be
> handed over to the community along with all of openmoko.org (Wiki,
> GIT, Trac, Planet, ...). Openmoko Inc. then will act as the sponsor of
> this effort. We will continue to fund all necessary server
> infrastructure and support, in areas where corporate help is needed,
> future open phone development. (Parts of this process will require
> legal work - so I request your patience.)
> 
> I am extremely excited about the idea of an entirely community-built
> open phone. Especially since, when the next design is complete, it
> will have the benefits of everything uncovered since the Freerunner
> shipped last July. It will be buzz free, glamo free, and free of the
> recamping bug (#1024) - which I am happy to announce has been solved
> this past week. We promise to support these efforts with additional
> resources such as components to build prototypes of the new design. We
> will help to empower you to build the open phone of our future.
> 
> After all this, there is one last thing that Openmoko the company can
> do: we can enable the community to use the Openmoko brand and
> trademark for these efforts. For us, the Openmoko brand is synonymous
> with the people who built the products: Harald, Mickey, Werner,
> Raster, all of my coworkers in our Taiwan office, Sureda, Tuxbrain,
> Bearstech, and countless others. I personally want to give an extra
> special thanks to Steve Mosher who has taught me so much about
> marketing, writing, and well...life. Without his guidance, this all
> would have only been an idea in my notebook.
> 
> I have asked Steve to lead an effort, over the next few weeks, to
> gather input from the community on how best to implement this
> transition. (He will follow up shortly on the community mailing list.)
> As always we can expect some negative comments, that comes with the
> territory. But we believe a community that owns everything of
> importance, with regard to the Freerunner, will focus efforts and
> energies on the future - not the past.
> 
> Sales of the current FreeRunner (A7), will continue as before. We have
> plenty more in stock. Now that the phone is freed, and its future
> entrusted to the hands of the community, Openmoko Inc. will start
> another effort on an altogether different type of device. We've sized
> our company to go do that task. Please wish us the very best of luck!
> More details will follow in the coming months...
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Sean Moss-Pultz
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 



From lon.lentz at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 19:45:12 2009
From: lon.lentz at gmail.com (Lon Lentz)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:45:12 -0400
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <4A2561A6.4010306@openmoko.com>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A2561A6.4010306@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <dc6682e90906021045l5ab15331w2ce852c99eed9270@mail.gmail.com>

  Steve,

  Is this going to affect OM trying to find us Americans someone to
implement all of the pending hardware fixes?


On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com> wrote:

>  Thanks Sean for the kind words and for the opportunity to do something
> unique.  i spent some time thinking about how I want to organize
> the community responses. I have a list of FAQs from werner ( somewhere
> here in the pile of mail) and I want to solicit ideas from the community
>  on what OM can do to support the community efforts.
>
>
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From lpotter at trolltech.com  Tue Jun  2 20:08:25 2009
From: lpotter at trolltech.com (Lorn Potter)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 04:08:25 +1000
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <200906021022.10521.goffi@goffi.org>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>	<200906012322.40851.goffi@goffi.org>	<4A24A195.3000608@trolltech.com>
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Message-ID: <4A256A99.4000404@trolltech.com>

On 2/6/09 6:22 PM, Goffi wrote:
> Le mardi 2 juin 2009 05:50:45, Lorn Potter a ?crit :
>    
>> Goffi wrote:
>> This would require someone to translate the ~3000 strings in Qtopia, and
>> then configure it with that language enabled and then install that
>> language.
>>      
>
> It is not possible to have an option just for the dict ?

Well, anything is possible given the right amount of time and developers.
:)
> The translation of
> the 3000 strings would take some time and the dicts are already in the sources
> ! IMO it's not a big deal for most users to have the interface in english, but
> the dictionary is more important.
> Anyway, by copying the french file over the en_US ones, it works (it's just a
> little less handy than a compilation option).
>
> Cheers
> Goffi
>    

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From steve at openmoko.com  Tue Jun  2 20:09:51 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:09:51 -0700
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <dc6682e90906021045l5ab15331w2ce852c99eed9270@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>	
	<4A2561A6.4010306@openmoko.com>
	<dc6682e90906021045l5ab15331w2ce852c99eed9270@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A256AEF.6020109@openmoko.com>

No, it will not impact the program.

   I just sealed the deal on that this morning! of course there are 
details to be worked out so watch this space.

1. we sent out instructions to all the disty a while back.
2. one of our North american partners had requested the package to
    perform the work ( like Dr. Ns program)
3. because of the layoff the mail went unanswered for a few days.
4. the disty wrote me directly and I hooked them up with sean who was on 
the matter in 5 minutes of my mail.
5. Sean has assigned a person to make this happen.

I'm working with that disty to make sure that they benefit from Dr. Ns
approach, so we dont re invent the wheel.

I know you guys have been very patient with us. I trust you wont be 
disappointed.

Finally, I would like to thank Dr. N for his tireless efforts and 
imagination in getting this done. And lets not forget david at Tuxbrain.
A bunch of people tried things they have never done before to keep 
customers happy.

Steve

Lon Lentz wrote:
>   Steve,
> 
>   Is this going to affect OM trying to find us Americans someone to
> implement all of the pending hardware fixes?
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com> wrote:
> 
>>  Thanks Sean for the kind words and for the opportunity to do something
>> unique.  i spent some time thinking about how I want to organize
>> the community responses. I have a list of FAQs from werner ( somewhere
>> here in the pile of mail) and I want to solicit ideas from the community
>>  on what OM can do to support the community efforts.
>>
>>
> 



From wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca  Tue Jun  2 20:24:51 2009
From: wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca (Warren Baird)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:24:51 -0400
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b66a83e00906021124t2985f24atfeaf3d9ee1a5a6f1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sean,

Thanks for the honesty.  I'd like to echo Rui's thank you - I've survived a
couple of lay-offs in my day, and I know it's not pleasant for anyone
involved.   I hope that OpenMoko thrives in it's new form.

I've been using my FR as my daily phone for about 6 months now, first with
QtE and recently with OM2009, and although I've had the occasional missed
call, it's overall been an OK experience, and it is getting better and
better...

You have my hopes for smooth sailing and a successful future!

Warren


On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> wrote:

> Dear Community,
>
> As some of you have heard, we had a layoff at Openmoko on Monday, May
> 25th. First of all let me second the comments made here congratulating
> the Openmoko team on all that was accomplished. And let me add that
> everything accomplished was only possible because of the amazing
> efforts of the community.
>
> Bringing the Neo products to market, first the 1973 and then the
> Freerunner, has been the most exceptional experience of our lives. I
> can undeniably say that the most important thing we have learned over
> these years is that the power of people bound by ideals, rather than
> contracts, cannot be underestimated. These phones are your success.
> From simple things like group sales to complex undertakings like
> developing and maintaining entire distributions, you made this happen.
> You always came through for us. As CEO, I have to determine the best
> path forward for our phone business. And after long discussions with
> my key people and Board, we've decided that the best path foreword is
> to turn the future of the Freerunner over to the community.
>
> We've always said that the talent and creativity of those outside the
> company is superior to that inside the company. We have stuck to these
> principles. We've have opened up more than any other phone, from any
> other company, in the history of this industry. Every time we chose
> openness over internal control, we have been rewarded.
>
> Former Openmoko employees have already started redesigning the
> Freerunner hardware (gta02-core) using only Free Software tools.
> Werner Almesberger, working with many others, has made great progress.
> Recently, we have released more information to accelerate their
> efforts. In the coming weeks, all the design information will be
> handed over to the community along with all of openmoko.org (Wiki,
> GIT, Trac, Planet, ...). Openmoko Inc. then will act as the sponsor of
> this effort. We will continue to fund all necessary server
> infrastructure and support, in areas where corporate help is needed,
> future open phone development. (Parts of this process will require
> legal work - so I request your patience.)
>
> I am extremely excited about the idea of an entirely community-built
> open phone. Especially since, when the next design is complete, it
> will have the benefits of everything uncovered since the Freerunner
> shipped last July. It will be buzz free, glamo free, and free of the
> recamping bug (#1024) - which I am happy to announce has been solved
> this past week. We promise to support these efforts with additional
> resources such as components to build prototypes of the new design. We
> will help to empower you to build the open phone of our future.
>
> After all this, there is one last thing that Openmoko the company can
> do: we can enable the community to use the Openmoko brand and
> trademark for these efforts. For us, the Openmoko brand is synonymous
> with the people who built the products: Harald, Mickey, Werner,
> Raster, all of my coworkers in our Taiwan office, Sureda, Tuxbrain,
> Bearstech, and countless others. I personally want to give an extra
> special thanks to Steve Mosher who has taught me so much about
> marketing, writing, and well...life. Without his guidance, this all
> would have only been an idea in my notebook.
>
> I have asked Steve to lead an effort, over the next few weeks, to
> gather input from the community on how best to implement this
> transition. (He will follow up shortly on the community mailing list.)
> As always we can expect some negative comments, that comes with the
> territory. But we believe a community that owns everything of
> importance, with regard to the Freerunner, will focus efforts and
> energies on the future - not the past.
>
> Sales of the current FreeRunner (A7), will continue as before. We have
> plenty more in stock. Now that the phone is freed, and its future
> entrusted to the hands of the community, Openmoko Inc. will start
> another effort on an altogether different type of device. We've sized
> our company to go do that task. Please wish us the very best of luck!
> More details will follow in the coming months...
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Sean Moss-Pultz
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



-- 
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http://www.synergisticimages.ca
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From ml at e4net.com  Tue Jun  2 20:41:45 2009
From: ml at e4net.com (Jim Morris)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:41:45 -0700
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <60567dcc0906020019u4fe6d385u2ef674839fbd8451@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be> <4A246D45.40104@e4net.com>
	<60567dcc0906020019u4fe6d385u2ef674839fbd8451@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A257269.40501@e4net.com>

Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Jim Morris <ml at e4net.com> wrote:
>> Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
>>> (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below)
>>>
>>> It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-)
>> FYI...
>>
>> I followed the instructions, and ran the script from ssh using the install option and it runs out of
>> memory...
>>
>> lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_36_75.qpf2
>> lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_10_50.qpf2
>> lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_21_75.qpf2
>> tar: write error: No space left on device
> 
> if this happens, it doesn't mean "out of memory", but out of disk
> space, which means you have many things installed that are not
> required. Probably you're using another kernel/rootfs and extra stuff.
> Simple action: clean up ...
> 

Yes I know that, but this was a clean install from the images I downloaded with no extra stuff 
installed, I couldn't install anything as only the kernel was running anyway.

Have you tried the full install? The problem looks to me like having the tar file on the device uses 
too much room and you cannot de-tar it. I got around it by piping the tar over ssh.


-- 
Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com



From steve at openmoko.com  Tue Jun  2 20:56:55 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:56:55 -0700
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <4A256AEF.6020109@openmoko.com>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>		<4A2561A6.4010306@openmoko.com>	<dc6682e90906021045l5ab15331w2ce852c99eed9270@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A256AEF.6020109@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <4A2575F7.5070401@openmoko.com>

  Community,

    To start off I have this list of proposed FAQs kindly generated by 
Werner. I'm going to ask for a volunteer to incorpoate this into an
appropriate place in the wiki.

Any takers?

After the FAQ gets incorporated then we can start to fill it up.

Also, I want to start a "wish list" or Suggestion list for what kinds
of things OM can do to smooth this transition.

here is Werners List. Adjust as you see fit for presentation.


- I'm using OM2008/2009 now. Will this distribution still be
maintained ? Should I switch ? How ? What will change, what
do I have to learn/unlearn ?

- What will happen with FSO ? Will development continue ?
Will a distribution carry it ?

- What will happen with Paroli ? Will development continue ?
Will a distribution carry it ?

- How will the kernel be maintained ?

- Will Openmoko continue selling FreeRunners ? For how long ?

- I have a purchase/return/warranty/etc. in progress with Openmoko
Inc.  or a distributor. What will happen ?

- I have buzz/#1024/no bass/etc. Can I still get it fixed ?
How ?

- Will the Openmoko Internet resources, Wiki, mailing lists, SVN,
git, downloads, people, trac, etc., be shut down ?

- Will "project B" continue ?

- What's the future of Open phone hardware without Openmoko Inc. ?


Steve Mosher wrote:
> No, it will not impact the program.
> 
>    I just sealed the deal on that this morning! of course there are 
> details to be worked out so watch this space.
> 
> 1. we sent out instructions to all the disty a while back.
> 2. one of our North american partners had requested the package to
>     perform the work ( like Dr. Ns program)
> 3. because of the layoff the mail went unanswered for a few days.
> 4. the disty wrote me directly and I hooked them up with sean who was on 
> the matter in 5 minutes of my mail.
> 5. Sean has assigned a person to make this happen.
> 
> I'm working with that disty to make sure that they benefit from Dr. Ns
> approach, so we dont re invent the wheel.
> 
> I know you guys have been very patient with us. I trust you wont be 
> disappointed.
> 
> Finally, I would like to thank Dr. N for his tireless efforts and 
> imagination in getting this done. And lets not forget david at Tuxbrain.
> A bunch of people tried things they have never done before to keep 
> customers happy.
> 
> Steve
> 
> Lon Lentz wrote:
>>   Steve,
>>
>>   Is this going to affect OM trying to find us Americans someone to
>> implement all of the pending hardware fixes?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Thanks Sean for the kind words and for the opportunity to do something
>>> unique.  i spent some time thinking about how I want to organize
>>> the community responses. I have a list of FAQs from werner ( somewhere
>>> here in the pile of mail) and I want to solicit ideas from the community
>>>  on what OM can do to support the community efforts.
>>>
>>>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 



From liedekef at telenet.be  Tue Jun  2 21:01:48 2009
From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:01:48 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <4A257269.40501@e4net.com>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be> <4A246D45.40104@e4net.com>
	<60567dcc0906020019u4fe6d385u2ef674839fbd8451@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A257269.40501@e4net.com>
Message-ID: <20090602210148.2723a551@telenet.be>

On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:41:45 -0700
Jim Morris <ml at e4net.com> wrote:

> Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Jim Morris <ml at e4net.com> wrote:
> >> Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> >>> (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below)
> >>>
> >>> It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-)
> >> FYI...
> >>
> >> I followed the instructions, and ran the script from ssh using the
> >> install option and it runs out of memory...
> >>
> >> lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_36_75.qpf2
> >> lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_10_50.qpf2
> >> lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_21_75.qpf2
> >> tar: write error: No space left on device
> > 
> > if this happens, it doesn't mean "out of memory", but out of disk
> > space, which means you have many things installed that are not
> > required. Probably you're using another kernel/rootfs and extra
> > stuff. Simple action: clean up ...
> > 
> 
> Yes I know that, but this was a clean install from the images I
> downloaded with no extra stuff installed, I couldn't install anything
> as only the kernel was running anyway.
> 
> Have you tried the full install? The problem looks to me like having
> the tar file on the device uses too much room and you cannot de-tar
> it. I got around it by piping the tar over ssh.
> 
> 

yes, I try that all the time. The tar.gz file is only 23 MB, so it
should be no prob ...

Franky



From fabiolocati at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 21:25:06 2009
From: fabiolocati at gmail.com (Fabio Locati)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:25:06 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <20090602210148.2723a551@telenet.be>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be> <4A246D45.40104@e4net.com>
	<60567dcc0906020019u4fe6d385u2ef674839fbd8451@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A257269.40501@e4net.com> <20090602210148.2723a551@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <3d9482340906021225i30d92af7uf96c5f7a1e67c2eb@mail.gmail.com>

I've tryed it too... no problems in the installation ;)

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke
<liedekef at telenet.be> wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:41:45 -0700
> Jim Morris <ml at e4net.com> wrote:
>
>> Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
>> > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Jim Morris <ml at e4net.com> wrote:
>> >> Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
>> >>> (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below)
>> >>>
>> >>> It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-)
>> >> FYI...
>> >>
>> >> I followed the instructions, and ran the script from ssh using the
>> >> install option and it runs out of memory...
>> >>
>> >> lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_36_75.qpf2
>> >> lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_10_50.qpf2
>> >> lib/fonts/dejavu_sans_condensed_21_75.qpf2
>> >> tar: write error: No space left on device
>> >
>> > if this happens, it doesn't mean "out of memory", but out of disk
>> > space, which means you have many things installed that are not
>> > required. Probably you're using another kernel/rootfs and extra
>> > stuff. Simple action: clean up ...
>> >
>>
>> Yes I know that, but this was a clean install from the images I
>> downloaded with no extra stuff installed, I couldn't install anything
>> as only the kernel was running anyway.
>>
>> Have you tried the full install? The problem looks to me like having
>> the tar file on the device uses too much room and you cannot de-tar
>> it. I got around it by piping the tar over ssh.
>>
>>
>
> yes, I try that all the time. The tar.gz file is only 23 MB, so it
> should be no prob ...
>
> Franky
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



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Envolved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia



From arhuaco at freaks-unidos.net  Tue Jun  2 21:40:25 2009
From: arhuaco at freaks-unidos.net (Nelson Castillo)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:40:25 -0300
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <4A2575F7.5070401@openmoko.com>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A2561A6.4010306@openmoko.com>
	<dc6682e90906021045l5ab15331w2ce852c99eed9270@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A256AEF.6020109@openmoko.com> <4A2575F7.5070401@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <2accc2ff0906021240i5fae57c8wc7893d00e6cc7cb0@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com> wrote:
> ?Community,
>
> ? ?To start off I have this list of proposed FAQs kindly generated by
> Werner. I'm going to ask for a volunteer to incorpoate this into an
> appropriate place in the wiki.
>
> Any takers?

Hello Steve.

> - How will the kernel be maintained ?

I'll ask for feedback about this in the kernel mailing list and help
with the FAQ wiki page (If someone else wants to help also please by
all means do). I'll send the email today.

Nelson.-



From steve at openmoko.com  Tue Jun  2 22:21:02 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:21:02 -0700
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <2accc2ff0906021240i5fae57c8wc7893d00e6cc7cb0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A2561A6.4010306@openmoko.com>
	<dc6682e90906021045l5ab15331w2ce852c99eed9270@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A256AEF.6020109@openmoko.com> <4A2575F7.5070401@openmoko.com>
	<2accc2ff0906021240i5fae57c8wc7893d00e6cc7cb0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2589AE.3030507@openmoko>

Hi Nelson,

    Thanks good to hear from you. I really enjoyed the pictures you gave 
me from our
last time together in Taipei. Anything you can do to help will be 
appreciated.  

Steve

Nelson Castillo wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com> wrote:
>   
>>  Community,
>>
>>    To start off I have this list of proposed FAQs kindly generated by
>> Werner. I'm going to ask for a volunteer to incorpoate this into an
>> appropriate place in the wiki.
>>
>> Any takers?
>>     
>
> Hello Steve.
>
>   
>> - How will the kernel be maintained ?
>>     
>
> I'll ask for feedback about this in the kernel mailing list and help
> with the FAQ wiki page (If someone else wants to help also please by
> all means do). I'll send the email today.
>
> Nelson.-
>   




From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 22:30:21 2009
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:30:21 +0400
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <20090602164404.GC20804@roque.1407.org>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090602164404.GC20804@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <3d032e5d0906021330m5fb86f2cj6cdecba4833c94a3@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org> wrote:
> For now, I'm hoping my Freerunner improves enough to last long, as I don't
> expect another Free Software phone to come up anytime soon.

I wouldn't be so much sure.
Don't forget about GizmoForYou project with its Flow, as just an example:
http://www.gizmoforyou.com/comment.php?comment.news.41

FreeRunner has a huge advantage of having the good community, but you
shouldn't say that it's the only viable choice out there.

-- 
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris.

SIPez LLC.
SIP VoIP, IM and Presence Consulting
http://www.SIPez.com
tel: +1 (617) 273-4000



From ml at e4net.com  Tue Jun  2 22:32:28 2009
From: ml at e4net.com (Jim Morris)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:32:28 -0700
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <20090602210148.2723a551@telenet.be>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<4A246D45.40104@e4net.com>	<60567dcc0906020019u4fe6d385u2ef674839fbd8451@mail.gmail.com>	<4A257269.40501@e4net.com>
	<20090602210148.2723a551@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <4A258C5C.20402@e4net.com>

Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
>
>>
> 
> yes, I try that all the time. The tar.gz file is only 23 MB, so it
> should be no prob ...
> 
>


Ok well I tried again with exactly the same results... does your system have more disk? or are you 
using an sd card?

I monitored the disk usage while it was untarring and it did run out of disk space...

Just before it ran out...

Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/root                65536     64248      1288  98% /
/dev/root                65536     64248      1288  98% /dev/.static/dev
udev                      2048        40      2008   2% /dev
tmpfs                    60380        36     60344   0% /var/volatile
tmpfs                    60380         0     60380   0% /dev/shm

1.2Mb left.. it started out at 39Mbytes before downloading qtmoko

/dev/root                65536     26304     39232  40% /
/dev/root                65536     26304     39232  40% /dev/.static/dev
udev                      2048        40      2008   2% /dev
tmpfs                    60380        36     60344   0% /var/volatile
tmpfs                    60380         0     60380   0% /dev/shm


Here were the steps...

/qtmoko> sudo dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.jffs2
/qtmoko> sudo dfu-util -a kernel -R -D 
uImage-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr6+9c4451ff31b937a478f3d3eabef30b71cbe12b12-r3-om-gta02.bin
qtmoko> scp qtmoko_install.sh om:

 > ssh om
 > sh ./qtmoko_install.sh install

Just a sanity check, after a clean installation I have 39Mb free after downloading a 23Mb file we 
have 16Mb left, then we try to de tar that compressed file which has to be over 23mb, and of course 
we run out of disk space.

I am wondering why I am the only one with this problem?

I have an original gta02 which appears to have 65Mb of disk/flash

Thanks

-- 
Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com



From rms at 1407.org  Tue Jun  2 23:32:13 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:32:13 +0100
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <3d032e5d0906021330m5fb86f2cj6cdecba4833c94a3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090602164404.GC20804@roque.1407.org>
	<3d032e5d0906021330m5fb86f2cj6cdecba4833c94a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090602213213.GB23042@roque.1407.org>

On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:30:21AM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org> wrote:
> > For now, I'm hoping my Freerunner improves enough to last long, as I don't
> > expect another Free Software phone to come up anytime soon.
> 
> I wouldn't be so much sure.
> Don't forget about GizmoForYou project with its Flow, as just an example:
> http://www.gizmoforyou.com/comment.php?comment.news.41
> 
> FreeRunner has a huge advantage of having the good community, but you
> shouldn't say that it's the only viable choice out there.

Flow looks sleek, but what about it's commitment to Free Software? I really
don't know, can you help me know more?

Rui



From risto at kurppa.fi  Tue Jun  2 23:43:32 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:43:32 +0300
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <3d032e5d0906021330m5fb86f2cj6cdecba4833c94a3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090602164404.GC20804@roque.1407.org>
	<3d032e5d0906021330m5fb86f2cj6cdecba4833c94a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d3e504410906021443y23d9899atad8cfeb26ea03612@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Sean for this announcement!

It's appreciated to get a status update from OM of things we've heard
rumors of. I'm very happy that OM got this far with the phones: we
have some tens of thousands (better guess anyone?) of Linux phones
around the world, various open/free distros to run on the HW and means
to communicate to make it better. I think OM was decent on the
hardware side, it's a great achievement to have manufactured a
open/free Linux-phone. Thank you for that, thank you everyone who
worked on OM for this!

In the future, it'll be interesting to see where gta02-core takes us,
if there will be some other open hardware around to run the apps and
distros we've created for neo1973 and Freerunner. I hope that the rest
of the A7 freerunners will find to good hands, to good an enthusiastic
developers to boost the community to get the most out of our hardware.

On the software side, there has been some glitches and the community
has been lacking the direction. At the moment I myself trust on OM2009
(who knows if there will be a SHR2009 with SHR and OM2009 together)
and Paroli (Started by Openmoko and still being worked on by people
from Openmoko, now also a community is involved that's growing all the
time..). But I see that it's difficult for Openmoko to generate more
income by writing software so concentrating on hardware seems like a
smart choice, as long as there's a community to make the hardware
useful with the software they create.

Now as the community will go 'wild', I'd now, more than ever, like to
see good leadership practices to organize and guide the community. If
you ask me where OM failed, it's this: managing and leading the
community. So I think we'd need some direction where to make people
go, who don't know where to go. We have around 20 distros and phone
apps - I wouldn't like to see this all break in small sub-projects
that all do the same work and don't communicate, but one single big
project that'd actually take us somewhere.

I'd like to see some kind of democratic structure created to guide us
somewhere where most of us want to go.

http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/building-community-around-your-foss.html

Thank you Openmoko, I wish you all the best with project B. Hope you
generate enough money to roll out new open phones :)

r


-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi



From openmoko at underhand.org  Tue Jun  2 23:55:21 2009
From: openmoko at underhand.org (Dave Ball)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:55:21 +0100
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <20090602213213.GB23042@roque.1407.org>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>	<20090602164404.GC20804@roque.1407.org>	<3d032e5d0906021330m5fb86f2cj6cdecba4833c94a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090602213213.GB23042@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <4A259FC9.9040706@underhand.org>

Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:30:21AM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote:
>   
>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org> wrote:
>>     
>>> For now, I'm hoping my Freerunner improves enough to last long, as I don't
>>> expect another Free Software phone to come up anytime soon.
>>>       
>> Don't forget about GizmoForYou project with its Flow, as just an example:
>> http://www.gizmoforyou.com/comment.php?comment.news.41
>>     
> Flow looks sleek, but what about it's commitment to Free Software? I really
> don't know, can you help me know more?
>   

The flow project itself seems pretty open, but it depends on gumsticks, 
which have closed hardware but seem to be widely supported by open 
software & corresponding communities.

It sounds an interesting project, and will be available much sooner than 
the gta02-core or 'future' work which we have started, although these OM 
/ gta derivatives might have more potential in the longer term.

I echo everyone elses thanks to Sean and the rest of the team that have 
had involvement with OM - you guys both achieved a lot, and did so 
openly in a way that gives us a platform to build from.  Through the 
last couple of years and now, thanks for communicating as openly as you 
have.

It's down to us now, and I look forward to both contributing myself, and 
benefiting from the contributions from the whole community.


Dave




From openmoko at underhand.org  Wed Jun  3 00:17:55 2009
From: openmoko at underhand.org (Dave Ball)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:17:55 +0100
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410906021443y23d9899atad8cfeb26ea03612@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>	<20090602164404.GC20804@roque.1407.org>	<3d032e5d0906021330m5fb86f2cj6cdecba4833c94a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3e504410906021443y23d9899atad8cfeb26ea03612@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A25A513.10202@underhand.org>

Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> Thanks Sean for this announcement!
>
> It's appreciated to get a status update from OM of things we've heard
> rumors of. I'm very happy that OM got this far with the phones: we
> have some tens of thousands (better guess anyone?) of Linux phones
> around the world, various open/free distros to run on the HW and means
> to communicate to make it better. I think OM was decent on the
> hardware side, it's a great achievement to have manufactured a
> open/free Linux-phone. Thank you for that, thank you everyone who
> worked on OM for this!
>   

ditto!  :-)  And also thanks for the commitments to opening up further 
details, designs and marks in support of the community, and providing 
the om.org infrastructure we're using.

> Now as the community will go 'wild', I'd now, more than ever, like to
> see good leadership practices to organize and guide the community. If
> you ask me where OM failed, it's this: managing and leading the
> community. So I think we'd need some direction where to make people
> go, who don't know where to go. We have around 20 distros and phone
> apps - I wouldn't like to see this all break in small sub-projects
> that all do the same work and don't communicate, but one single big
> project that'd actually take us somewhere.

Diversity has it's advantage, though focus on a smaller number of 
projects has it's own benefits too.  I think it's great that FSO has 
resulted in a stable platform that most of the current distros rely on 
and benefit from.

While there remains interest in the current (or future) distros, my 
personal feeling is that we shouldn't try to kill one, in favour of 
another.  They currently all have strengths and weaknesses, and the 
community as a whole gets strength from their diversity.  We should 
collaborate on any common ground (kernel, fso?, illume?), and allow 
distributions to differentiate where they see appropriate.

I think you are spot on though that we need to be better organised, and 
as individuals, communities and 'leaders' (if that's appropriate) have 
clear asperations and achievable objectives.

Overall, I think clarity and sensible organisation will allow the 
community(ies) to flourish, while supporting as much diversity as the 
different sectors of our community want.


Dave



From alexander.chemeris at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 00:24:30 2009
From: alexander.chemeris at gmail.com (Alexander Chemeris)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 02:24:30 +0400
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <4A259FC9.9040706@underhand.org>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090602164404.GC20804@roque.1407.org>
	<3d032e5d0906021330m5fb86f2cj6cdecba4833c94a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090602213213.GB23042@roque.1407.org>
	<4A259FC9.9040706@underhand.org>
Message-ID: <3d032e5d0906021524n237430a5h86e133cd588ebde7@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:55 AM, Dave Ball <openmoko at underhand.org> wrote:
> Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:30:21AM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For now, I'm hoping my Freerunner improves enough to last long, as I don't
>>>> expect another Free Software phone to come up anytime soon.
>>>>
>>> Don't forget about GizmoForYou project with its Flow, as just an example:
>>> http://www.gizmoforyou.com/comment.php?comment.news.41
>>>
>> Flow looks sleek, but what about it's commitment to Free Software? I really
>> don't know, can you help me know more?
>>
>
> The flow project itself seems pretty open, but it depends on gumsticks,
> which have closed hardware but seem to be widely supported by open
> software & corresponding communities.

That's true. Gumstix open-sources expansion modules and connector specs,
but base modules are kept proprietary. Flow project itself is pretty much
open. IIRC schematics are open and software is open for sure (they target
Android for now). It may be interesting to port OM to it to broaden hardware
support and increase community volume.

> It sounds an interesting project, and will be available much sooner than
> the gta02-core or 'future' work which we have started, although these OM
> / gta derivatives might have more potential in the longer term.

yeah. Also Flow's advantage is its modularity.
On the other hand, I think Flow costs more then Freerunner. But we'll see
how much gta02-core result will cost at the end.

So, it's an interesting alternative and worth looking into, imho.

-- 
Regards,
Alexander Chemeris.

SIPez LLC.
SIP VoIP, IM and Presence Consulting
http://www.SIPez.com
tel: +1 (617) 273-4000



From dj6mf at frombob.to  Wed Jun  3 00:47:29 2009
From: dj6mf at frombob.to (Doug Jones)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:47:29 -0700
Subject: Mailing list glitch?
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A25AC01.6010102@frombob.to>

I read Sean's message this morning, and was going to send a link for it 
to a friend who is off-list.  So I went to the list's archive:

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/048966.html

As you can see, the version of Sean's message shown in the web archive 
has been almost entirely truncated.


Has this bug been there all along?  Does our community's collective 
memory have a hole in it?





From roguemoko at roguewrt.org  Wed Jun  3 01:47:57 2009
From: roguemoko at roguewrt.org (roguemoko at roguewrt.org)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:47:57 +1000
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <op.uuwfardn41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin>	<4A247217.3060800@roguewrt.org>	<dae089cf0906020611y5478bfe2n9a30d6f6b2a7d124@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.uuwfardn41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <4A25BA2D.6040009@roguewrt.org>

On 2/06/2009 11:19 PM, arne anka wrote:
> how does one add additional kernel arguments, which according to the wiki
> is done by creating a file /boot/append-GTA0[123]?
>
> oops, sorry. i forgot, questioning qi is spreading fud and causing mail
> congestion ...

Oh did I say that questioning Qi was spreading FUD and mail congestion? 
My apologies. I'll rephrase. Criticising features you know nothing about 
in a thread about a question you contributed nothing to is spreading FUD 
and causing mail congestion. There we go, back in your box.

You're a feisty one aren't you? Rhetorical btw.

Sarton



From robin.paulson at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 07:01:54 2009
From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:01:54 +1200
Subject: Mailing list glitch?
In-Reply-To: <4A25AC01.6010102@frombob.to>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A25AC01.6010102@frombob.to>
Message-ID: <2f3aa2770906022201x6ca3c850tc219a350af471a02@mail.gmail.com>

2009/6/3 Doug Jones <dj6mf at frombob.to>:
> I read Sean's message this morning, and was going to send a link for it
> to a friend who is off-list. ?So I went to the list's archive:
>
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/048966.html
>
> As you can see, the version of Sean's message shown in the web archive
> has been almost entirely truncated.
>
>
> Has this bug been there all along? ?Does our community's collective
> memory have a hole in it?

i can't answer your question directly, but can suggest a workaround:
have you looked at nabble? it mirrors the openmoko lists, and i think
several others

n2.nabble.com



From robin.paulson at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 07:27:00 2009
From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:27:00 +1200
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
Message-ID: <2f3aa2770906022227i541bc502t47cb685b24c8c2b2@mail.gmail.com>

apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/

i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think

now, is it possible to coerce raster's keyboard into using anything
other than square keys?



From cchandel at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  3 07:30:49 2009
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:30:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.20
In-Reply-To: <b66a83e00906020733j1d230f9n9699f8293727cf1a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1243250505215-2969146.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<200905252208.48218.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<1243302658564-2972512.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<200905270938.17242.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<1243432013254-2981136.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1243434162301-2981391.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<d3e504410905270814w661bf65bgdf7b2b55959ae3b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00905271009u4102f924te1c91199198443fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1243491593948-2985771.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00906020733j1d230f9n9699f8293727cf1a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1244007049734-3016483.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,

Warren Baird-2 wrote:
> 
>>Yeah, I could contribute some wallpapers - probably under a
CC-Attrib-Share
>>Alike license, if that's acceptable to you...
> 
  Sure, whatever license that allows users to use them and lets me
distribute them with the launcher.
Actually, I just need a few (maybe 2 or 3). You could look at making a small
wallpaper ipk that can be downloaded by the user from your site / opkg.org.
That will give you more freedom and exposure. How about that?

Warren Baird-2 wrote:
> 
>>And how do you feel about tasteful nudity?  :-)
> 
  Hah! I don't mind it at all. But maybe it would be better to have them as
another ipk - to prevent offending some people.

Warren Baird-2 wrote:
> 
>>I'm not sure about the scroll bar at the bottom to select the
categories...   I agree it's prettier - but it's >also slower to find the
category you want.   Before it was always just two clicks, now it can be
'drag, >drag, drag, click'...
> 
  As I see it - these are the advantages :-

 * Almost infinite amount of categories
 * looks nicer / sexier

 and the disadvantages :-

 * slower
 * needs dragging and then a click
 * is it just me or the the dragging seems less responsive
 * Less Intuitive (maybe just me again)

  I have asked for feedback about the toolbar - but haven't really gotten
much. I'm still not decided one way or the other - but I personally prefer
the combo box / hover drop down - primarily because its faster.

Warren Baird-2 wrote:
> 
>>also - I can't figure out how to edit the list of category in this version
- how do I do that?
> 
  Click on the configuration part of the toolbar (extreme right) and you'll
get the preferences window.

Warren Baird-2 wrote:
> 
>>Hmm - do you track when and how many times each app is launched?   I'd
love to see automatically >populated categories for 'most recent' and 'most
popular' or something like that...
> 
  I'm not doing that yet - but I'll add it to my TODO. 
Thanks for all the feedback.
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From risto at kurppa.fi  Wed Jun  3 07:38:59 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:38:59 +0300
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770906022227i541bc502t47cb685b24c8c2b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f3aa2770906022227i541bc502t47cb685b24c8c2b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d3e504410906022238s2d4cb115pacaf5ea5cce59a8@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Robin Paulson <robin.paulson at gmail.com> wrote:
> apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
>
> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
>
> i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think
>
> now, is it possible to coerce raster's keyboard into using anything
> other than square keys?

Looks interesting!


r

-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi



From rms at 1407.org  Wed Jun  3 09:06:37 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:06:37 +0100
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770906022227i541bc502t47cb685b24c8c2b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f3aa2770906022227i541bc502t47cb685b24c8c2b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090603070637.GC23042@roque.1407.org>

On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 05:27:00PM +1200, Robin Paulson wrote:
> apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
> 
> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
> 
> i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think
> 
> now, is it possible to coerce raster's keyboard into using anything
> other than square keys?

Made by an idiot, article written by another.


	A British inventor has submitted a patent application for a
	wacky touchscreen keyboard design which

"inventor"? "patent"?

Idiots.

Rui



From spaaam at ymail.com  Wed Jun  3 09:41:42 2009
From: spaaam at ymail.com (neovento@freerunner)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:41:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410906022238s2d4cb115pacaf5ea5cce59a8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f3aa2770906022227i541bc502t47cb685b24c8c2b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3e504410906022238s2d4cb115pacaf5ea5cce59a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1244014902665-3016823.post@n2.nabble.com>


There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines together
inverted to each other?



Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Robin Paulson <robin.paulson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
>>
>> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
>>
>> i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think
>>
>> now, is it possible to coerce raster's keyboard into using anything
>> other than square keys?
> 
> Looks interesting!
> 
> 
> r
> 
> -- 
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> | risto at kurppa dot fi
> | http://risto.kurppa.fi
> 
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From raster at rasterman.com  Wed Jun  3 09:45:20 2009
From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman))
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:45:20 +1000
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770906022227i541bc502t47cb685b24c8c2b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f3aa2770906022227i541bc502t47cb685b24c8c2b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090603174520.a074bc96.raster@rasterman.com>

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:27:00 +1200 Robin Paulson <robin.paulson at gmail.com> said:

> apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
> 
> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
> 
> i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think

he's smoking crack. his logic (that more deadspace makes for less mis-presses)
is just wrong. it makes for fewer "presses". you hit the deadspace much more
often and press nothing. if you simply expanded each key to just fill the
rectangular region it ocupies (which it effectively does as that space is
unused and dead) hen you get a no less accurate keyboard than what he as, but
somewhere were u are MORE likely to actually hit a key as opposed to hit
nothing.

the kbd just makes no sense. making keys bigger is simply the way to make them
more accurate to hit. if that isn't an option an you still do a kbd-style
keyboard, then having some sort of guessing algorithm that guesses what you
meant to hit is all you have left.

doing a non "qwerty" style is the only other way you have a way out as you
could have fewer keys, now easier to hit, but you may need to hit them multiple
types (normal abc, def, ghi etc. number keypad style), and even here to avoid
the multiple hits, you need again a guessing algorithm (t9). :)

> now, is it possible to coerce raster's keyboard into using anything
> other than square keys?
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 


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From mathroc at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 09:51:50 2009
From: mathroc at gmail.com (Mathieu Rochette)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:51:50 +0200
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <1244014902665-3016823.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <2f3aa2770906022227i541bc502t47cb685b24c8c2b2@mail.gmail.com> 
	<d3e504410906022238s2d4cb115pacaf5ea5cce59a8@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1244014902665-3016823.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <24260e2f0906030051m2b7dbfa2hbd862601f2f60a7b@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:41 AM, neovento at freerunner <spaaam at ymail.com>wrote:

>
> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines together
> inverted to each other?

The article says "that each triangular key has significantly more dead space
around it than you?d find on a standard Qwerty layout. Consequently, users
are more likely to press the correct key each time they tap."

IMO, he is just trying to make easy money, he claims that his patented
technology is soooo cool and ask apple to "help" him. meaning : paying to
use this.

I haven't try to look further, so I may be wrong, maybe triangle key really
improve error rate.

Mathieu

>
>
>
>
> Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Robin Paulson <robin.paulson at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
> >>
> >> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
> >>
> >> i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think
> >>
> >> now, is it possible to coerce raster's keyboard into using anything
> >> other than square keys?
> >
> > Looks interesting!
> >
> >
> > r
> >
> > --
> > | risto h. kurppa
> > | risto at kurppa dot fi
> > | http://risto.kurppa.fi
> >
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> >
> >
>
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From raster at rasterman.com  Wed Jun  3 10:13:51 2009
From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman))
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:13:51 +1000
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <24260e2f0906030051m2b7dbfa2hbd862601f2f60a7b@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:51:50 +0200 Mathieu Rochette <mathroc at gmail.com> said:

> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:41 AM, neovento at freerunner <spaaam at ymail.com>wrote:
> 
> >
> > There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines together
> > inverted to each other?
> 
> The article says "that each triangular key has significantly more dead space
> around it than you?d find on a standard Qwerty layout. Consequently, users
> are more likely to press the correct key each time they tap."
> 
> IMO, he is just trying to make easy money, he claims that his patented
> technology is soooo cool and ask apple to "help" him. meaning : paying to
> use this.
> 
> I haven't try to look further, so I may be wrong, maybe triangle key really
> improve error rate.

agreed - not on a touchscreen. on a physical kbd... maybe, as you are more
likely to be able to feel were the key is as you have 2 edges (left and right)
closer and more likey to be under 1 fingertip and "feelable". but absolutely
not a touchscreen.


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The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)    raster at rasterman.com




From rusolis at poczta.fm  Wed Jun  3 10:16:21 2009
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:16:21 +0200
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <20090603174520.a074bc96.raster@rasterman.com>
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2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler <raster at rasterman.com>

> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:27:00 +1200 Robin Paulson <robin.paulson at gmail.com>
> said:
>
> > apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
> >
> > http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
> >
> > i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think
>
> he's smoking crack. his logic (that more deadspace makes for less
> mis-presses)
> is just wrong. it makes for fewer "presses". you hit the deadspace much
> more
> often and press nothing. if you simply expanded each key to just fill the
> rectangular region it ocupies (which it effectively does as that space is
> unused and dead) hen you get a no less accurate keyboard than what he as,
> but
> somewhere were u are MORE likely to actually hit a key as opposed to hit
> nothing.
>

What you're saying is logical. But I think the idea is that the dead space
makes you want to hit the keys more accurately. So the smaller key teaches
you how to hit more exactly. I don't know if it's true, but I would rather
first try it out than say it's total bullshit.
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From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Wed Jun  3 10:32:27 2009
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:32:27 +0200
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <4A25BA2D.6040009@roguewrt.org>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin>
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> Oh did I say that questioning Qi was spreading FUD and mail congestion?

that's how i understood it.

> My apologies. I'll rephrase. Criticising features you know nothing about
> in a thread about a question you contributed nothing to is spreading FUD
> and causing mail congestion.

what exactly is your problem?
 from the information i gathered over time from this list i deduced qi was  
aimed at reading the kernel from /boot, not from the nand partition.
together with "qi does not understand jffs2" i simply infered it would not  
work with flash at all.

turns out, that was wrong.
now i see, that indeed qi with flash has at least ... limited usability,  
because obviously due to jffs2 support (however that is possible, since  
jffs2 is the first fs of the freerunner) that file appending boot options  
can not be read.

paul answered in a totally inappropriate way and you continue that way  
down.
if all you want to say is "i am great! i loathe you inferior creature" --  
you did it.
as long you have nothing to contribute in terms of usefull information you  
can shut up now.



From raster at rasterman.com  Wed Jun  3 11:36:58 2009
From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman))
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:36:58 +1000
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <8b48b1570906030116t7664466fpe06f688e781579eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f3aa2770906022227i541bc502t47cb685b24c8c2b2@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:16:21 +0200 Michal Brzozowski <rusolis at poczta.fm> said:

> 2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler <raster at rasterman.com>
> 
> > On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:27:00 +1200 Robin Paulson <robin.paulson at gmail.com>
> > said:
> >
> > > apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
> > >
> > > http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
> > >
> > > i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think
> >
> > he's smoking crack. his logic (that more deadspace makes for less
> > mis-presses)
> > is just wrong. it makes for fewer "presses". you hit the deadspace much
> > more
> > often and press nothing. if you simply expanded each key to just fill the
> > rectangular region it ocupies (which it effectively does as that space is
> > unused and dead) hen you get a no less accurate keyboard than what he as,
> > but
> > somewhere were u are MORE likely to actually hit a key as opposed to hit
> > nothing.
> >
> 
> What you're saying is logical. But I think the idea is that the dead space
> makes you want to hit the keys more accurately. So the smaller key teaches
> you how to hit more exactly. I don't know if it's true, but I would rather
> first try it out than say it's total bullshit.

u seriously doubt that. mis-pressing keys will also make you want to hi them
more accurately too. it applies to both cases. thedifference is that if you are
not more accurate u get zero key press as opposed to the one you wanted when its
a square. then you aways get a press - the question is - are you so far off that
u pressed the wrong key.

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From openmitko at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 11:44:29 2009
From: openmitko at gmail.com (OpenMitko)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:44:29 +0300
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.20
In-Reply-To: <1244007049734-3016483.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1243250505215-2969146.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1243302658564-2972512.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<200905270938.17242.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<1243432013254-2981136.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1243434162301-2981391.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<d3e504410905270814w661bf65bgdf7b2b55959ae3b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00905271009u4102f924te1c91199198443fc@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1244007049734-3016483.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Hi to all,

In contrast to Warner I really like the scroll bar at the bottom, and I find
it not only nice looking, but also very easy to use with one hand. The only
problem I found so far is that it scrolls not only horizontally but also
vertically.

Keep up the good work, C_C!

Regards,
Mitko

2009/6/3 c_c <cchandel at yahoo.com>

>
> Hi,
>
> Warren Baird-2 wrote:
> >
> >>Yeah, I could contribute some wallpapers - probably under a
> CC-Attrib-Share
> >>Alike license, if that's acceptable to you...
> >
>  Sure, whatever license that allows users to use them and lets me
> distribute them with the launcher.
> Actually, I just need a few (maybe 2 or 3). You could look at making a
> small
> wallpaper ipk that can be downloaded by the user from your site / opkg.org
> .
> That will give you more freedom and exposure. How about that?
>
> Warren Baird-2 wrote:
> >
> >>And how do you feel about tasteful nudity?  :-)
> >
>  Hah! I don't mind it at all. But maybe it would be better to have them as
> another ipk - to prevent offending some people.
>
> Warren Baird-2 wrote:
> >
> >>I'm not sure about the scroll bar at the bottom to select the
> categories...   I agree it's prettier - but it's >also slower to find the
> category you want.   Before it was always just two clicks, now it can be
> 'drag, >drag, drag, click'...
> >
>  As I see it - these are the advantages :-
>
>  * Almost infinite amount of categories
>  * looks nicer / sexier
>
>  and the disadvantages :-
>
>  * slower
>  * needs dragging and then a click
>  * is it just me or the the dragging seems less responsive
>  * Less Intuitive (maybe just me again)
>
>  I have asked for feedback about the toolbar - but haven't really gotten
> much. I'm still not decided one way or the other - but I personally prefer
> the combo box / hover drop down - primarily because its faster.
>
> Warren Baird-2 wrote:
> >
> >>also - I can't figure out how to edit the list of category in this
> version
> - how do I do that?
> >
>  Click on the configuration part of the toolbar (extreme right) and you'll
> get the preferences window.
>
> Warren Baird-2 wrote:
> >
> >>Hmm - do you track when and how many times each app is launched?   I'd
> love to see automatically >populated categories for 'most recent' and 'most
> popular' or something like that...
> >
>  I'm not doing that yet - but I'll add it to my TODO.
> Thanks for all the feedback.
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha%29-Release-0.20-tp2969146p3016483.html
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From david at tuxbrain.com  Wed Jun  3 11:47:52 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:47:52 +0200
Subject: Tuxbrain offers Neo FreeRunner in three flavors
Message-ID: <5c6ceea80906030247m3db58e83x436515c5077c1ab3@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all ,
In order to easy development of software and vertical solutions using
Neo FreeRunner, we have update our catalog offeing the Neo FreeRunner
in tree different versions.
Devel Version(A6) at 229 EUR
Devel Upgraded Version(A6+) at 259 EUR
Retail Version(A7) at 299 EUR

A6 and A7 no need presentation ;) A6+ are A6 version with buzz fix
applied and gsm firmware upgraded.

Best regards

-- 
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http://www.tuxbrain.com
Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!



From vanous at penguin.cz  Wed Jun  3 12:02:46 2009
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:02:46 +0200
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.20
References: <1243250505215-2969146.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1243302658564-2972512.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<200905270938.17242.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<1243432013254-2981136.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1243434162301-2981391.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<d3e504410905270814w661bf65bgdf7b2b55959ae3b8@mail.gmail.com>
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>In contrast to Warner I really like the scroll bar at the bottom, and
>I find it not only nice looking, but also very easy to use with one
>hand. The only problem I found so far is that it scrolls not only
>horizontally but also vertically.


yes, i was looking at the same scroll bar used in illume settings and
there it doesn't scroll up and down, which might be the reason why the
response is so funny...

the one hand usage is great.

Petr





From timo.jyrinki at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 12:06:58 2009
From: timo.jyrinki at gmail.com (Timo Jyrinki)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:06:58 +0300
Subject: Tuxbrain offers Neo FreeRunner in three flavors
In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80906030247m3db58e83x436515c5077c1ab3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5c6ceea80906030247m3db58e83x436515c5077c1ab3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68da43e00906030306o13588703ted820f9462c6b6b2@mail.gmail.com>

2009/6/3 David Reyes Samblas Martinez <david at tuxbrain.com>:
> Devel Upgraded Version(A6+) at 259 EUR
> Retail Version(A7) at 299 EUR

Great news! Are both A6+ and A7 available for shipment right way? Not
that it would matter regarding A7, since A6+ is equivalent, but
interested if A7 production runs have started now.

At least I'll start recommending FreeRunner now to people to whom I've
so far said to wait for the buzz-fixed version :)

-Timo



From david at tuxbrain.com  Wed Jun  3 12:26:49 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:26:49 +0200
Subject: Tuxbrain offers Neo FreeRunner in three flavors
In-Reply-To: <68da43e00906030306o13588703ted820f9462c6b6b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5c6ceea80906030247m3db58e83x436515c5077c1ab3@mail.gmail.com>
	<68da43e00906030306o13588703ted820f9462c6b6b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c6ceea80906030326o60ada24cif921edd8d059e673@mail.gmail.com>

2009/6/3 Timo Jyrinki <timo.jyrinki at gmail.com>:
> 2009/6/3 David Reyes Samblas Martinez <david at tuxbrain.com>:
>> Devel Upgraded Version(A6+) at 259 EUR
>> Retail Version(A7) at 299 EUR
>
> Great news! Are both A6+ and A7 available for shipment right way?
Not a lot of but I have a few ready to ship, and I of course will
import more if I get out of stock.
>>Not
> that it would matter regarding A7, since A6+ is equivalent, but
> interested if A7 production runs have started now.
>
> At least I'll start recommending FreeRunner now to people to whom I've
> so far said to wait for the buzz-fixed version :)
>
> -Timo
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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>



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Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!



From pike-openmoko at kw.nl  Wed Jun  3 13:36:42 2009
From: pike-openmoko at kw.nl (pike)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:36:42 +0200
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <20090603193658.065bd75c.raster@rasterman.com>
References: <2f3aa2770906022227i541bc502t47cb685b24c8c2b2@mail.gmail.com>	<20090603174520.a074bc96.raster@rasterman.com>	<8b48b1570906030116t7664466fpe06f688e781579eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090603193658.065bd75c.raster@rasterman.com>
Message-ID: <4A26604A.5070209@kw.nl>

Hi

>>>> apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
>>>> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
> thedifference is that if you are
> not more accurate u get zero key press as opposed to the one you wanted when its
> a square. then you aways get a press - the question is - are you so far off that
> u pressed the wrong key.

exactly. but with this keyboard you can not accidently hit
the G when you meant the F, unless you're very drunk.
You can ofcourse hit dead space, but that's not so bad,
you just tilt your finger until it hits. Ofcourse, dead
space should really be dead, no action. To hit both
the V and the B, you have to stick a very thick finger
right in the middle of dead space. With square keys,
you can hardly avoid it.

> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines together
> inverted to each other?

huh ? that would defeat the purpose.

> if you simply expanded each key to just fill the
> rectangular region it ocupies (which it effectively does as that space is
> unused and dead) hen you get a no less accurate keyboard than what he as, but
> somewhere were u are MORE likely to actually hit a key as opposed to hit
> nothing.

and equally more likely to hit the wrong one,
since that space is filled up too. hitting
no key is not so bad. hitting the wrong one
is annoying.

I believe in it..

oh .. patents ? .. skip .. one good idea lost for humanity.


$2c,
*-pike




From iknowjoseph at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 13:45:03 2009
From: iknowjoseph at gmail.com (Joseph Reeves)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:45:03 +0100
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <1244014902665-3016823.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <2f3aa2770906022227i541bc502t47cb685b24c8c2b2@mail.gmail.com>
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> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines together
> inverted to each other?

I think the fact that it's not like you describe the whole idea of the design ;)

Go to the page on El Reg and try and type your name by pushing your
monitor. It's stupid, yes, but it gives you an idea of how it would
work. It seems, without any feedback, to be very nice. The fact that
all the triangles are orientated the same way means you get a huge
area of triangular free space around each key, that lets you mash at
them without accidentally hitting another.

I don't think it's about training your hands as others have said, it's
about providing a key with a lot of free space around it - effectively
you've made the key bigger (because you can hit any are around it and
"sort of" hit the right one without mis-hitting another) whilst
keeping the overall size very small.

Its genius is its simplicity.

Joseph




2009/6/3 neovento at freerunner <spaaam at ymail.com>:
>
> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines together
> inverted to each other?
>
>
>
> Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Robin Paulson <robin.paulson at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
>>>
>>> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
>>>
>>> i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think
>>>
>>> now, is it possible to coerce raster's keyboard into using anything
>>> other than square keys?
>>
>> Looks interesting!
>>
>>
>> r
>>
>> --
>> | risto h. kurppa
>> | risto at kurppa dot fi
>> | http://risto.kurppa.fi
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>
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From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 13:53:46 2009
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:53:46 +0200
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <958244340906030445n5f4b1732s10c954e3730eafe3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f3aa2770906022227i541bc502t47cb685b24c8c2b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3e504410906022238s2d4cb115pacaf5ea5cce59a8@mail.gmail.com>
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i'm still undecided...
although i agree it is far more annoying to hit the wrong key instead of no key

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Joseph Reeves <iknowjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
>> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines together
>> inverted to each other?
>
> I think the fact that it's not like you describe the whole idea of the design ;)
>
> Go to the page on El Reg and try and type your name by pushing your
> monitor. It's stupid, yes, but it gives you an idea of how it would
> work. It seems, without any feedback, to be very nice. The fact that
> all the triangles are orientated the same way means you get a huge
> area of triangular free space around each key, that lets you mash at
> them without accidentally hitting another.
>
> I don't think it's about training your hands as others have said, it's
> about providing a key with a lot of free space around it - effectively
> you've made the key bigger (because you can hit any are around it and
> "sort of" hit the right one without mis-hitting another) whilst
> keeping the overall size very small.
>
> Its genius is its simplicity.
>
> Joseph
>
>
>
>
> 2009/6/3 neovento at freerunner <spaaam at ymail.com>:
>>
>> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines together
>> inverted to each other?
>>
>>
>>
>> Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Robin Paulson <robin.paulson at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
>>>>
>>>> i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think
>>>>
>>>> now, is it possible to coerce raster's keyboard into using anything
>>>> other than square keys?
>>>
>>> Looks interesting!
>>>
>>>
>>> r
>>>
>>> --
>>> | risto h. kurppa
>>> | risto at kurppa dot fi
>>> | http://risto.kurppa.fi
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Openmoko community mailing list
>>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/a-new-keyboard---discuss-and-critique-tp3016473p3016823.html
>> Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>
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From robin.paulson at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 14:01:18 2009
From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 00:01:18 +1200
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <20090603193658.065bd75c.raster@rasterman.com>
References: <2f3aa2770906022227i541bc502t47cb685b24c8c2b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090603174520.a074bc96.raster@rasterman.com>
	<8b48b1570906030116t7664466fpe06f688e781579eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090603193658.065bd75c.raster@rasterman.com>
Message-ID: <2f3aa2770906030501v4f24c584l322ddb8f19cd947a@mail.gmail.com>

2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler <raster at rasterman.com>:
> u seriously doubt that. mis-pressing keys will also make you want to hi them
> more accurately too. it applies to both cases. thedifference is that if you are
> not more accurate u get zero key press as opposed to the one you wanted when its
> a square. then you aways get a press - the question is - are you so far off that
> u pressed the wrong key.

raster, is it possible to create triangular keys for your keyboard?

how difficult would it be for someone to put this together, to test
out what he's saying?

if he can't get anyone interested, maybe he'd waive a patent suit in
our case, in exchange for it being a demo for his technology?



From tanuva at googlemail.com  Wed Jun  3 14:07:07 2009
From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:07:07 +0200
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <26fea52c0906030453m6c9830e7o8d250660836e1020@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f3aa2770906022227i541bc502t47cb685b24c8c2b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<958244340906030445n5f4b1732s10c954e3730eafe3@mail.gmail.com>
	<26fea52c0906030453m6c9830e7o8d250660836e1020@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200906031407.07418.tanuva@gmail.com>

I simply want to try that design before sending it to hell, maybe it just 
works fine... I agree with people who said this before: Hitting actually 
dead space is less painful than hitting the wrong key and having to 
backspace/stroke-left all the time, maybe even accidentally pressing other 
keys while doing that.

--
Marcel

Am Mittwoch, 3. Juni 2009 13:53:46 schrieb Yorick Moko:
> i'm still undecided...
> although i agree it is far more annoying to hit the wrong key instead
> of no key
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Joseph Reeves <iknowjoseph at gmail.com> 
wrote:
> >> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines
> >> together inverted to each other?
> >
> > I think the fact that it's not like you describe the whole idea of
> > the design ;)
> >
> > Go to the page on El Reg and try and type your name by pushing your
> > monitor. It's stupid, yes, but it gives you an idea of how it would
> > work. It seems, without any feedback, to be very nice. The fact that
> > all the triangles are orientated the same way means you get a huge
> > area of triangular free space around each key, that lets you mash at
> > them without accidentally hitting another.
> >
> > I don't think it's about training your hands as others have said,
> > it's about providing a key with a lot of free space around it -
> > effectively you've made the key bigger (because you can hit any are
> > around it and "sort of" hit the right one without mis-hitting
> > another) whilst keeping the overall size very small.
> >
> > Its genius is its simplicity.
> >
> > Joseph
> >
> > 2009/6/3 neovento at freerunner <spaaam at ymail.com>:
> >> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines
> >> together inverted to each other?
> >>
> >> Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Robin Paulson
> >>> <robin.paulson at gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
> >>>>
> >>>> i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think
> >>>>
> >>>> now, is it possible to coerce raster's keyboard into using
> >>>> anything other than square keys?
> >>>
> >>> Looks interesting!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> r
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> | risto h. kurppa
> >>> | risto at kurppa dot fi
> >>> | http://risto.kurppa.fi
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Openmoko community mailing list
> >>> community at lists.openmoko.org
> >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >> http://n2.nabble.com/a-new-keyboard---discuss-and-critique-tp3016473
> >>p3016823.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive
> >> at Nabble.com.
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Openmoko community mailing list
> >> community at lists.openmoko.org
> >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community





From mathroc at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 14:14:40 2009
From: mathroc at gmail.com (Mathieu Rochette)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:14:40 +0200
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <200906031407.07418.tanuva@gmail.com>
References: <2f3aa2770906022227i541bc502t47cb685b24c8c2b2@mail.gmail.com> 
	<958244340906030445n5f4b1732s10c954e3730eafe3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<26fea52c0906030453m6c9830e7o8d250660836e1020@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200906031407.07418.tanuva@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <24260e2f0906030514p18431ac3v7770bbb45f214ef5@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Marcel <tanuva at googlemail.com> wrote:

> I simply want to try that design before sending it to hell, maybe it just
> works fine... I agree with people who said this before: Hitting actually
> dead space is less painful than hitting the wrong key and having to
> backspace/stroke-left all the time, maybe even accidentally pressing other
> keys while doing that.
>
with illume keyboard, if you use the dictionary mode, pressing another key
is not that annoying.
it is for other mode but the preview key (the key gone up when you press it)
give you good feedback about which key your in and you can move your finger
to correct if needed.
unless his keyboard print the key on finger press (instead of finger up),
you can not see if you hit a dead space or a key and so you can't move your
finger to correct it, you have to make another try.

>
> --
> Marcel
>
> Am Mittwoch, 3. Juni 2009 13:53:46 schrieb Yorick Moko:
> > i'm still undecided...
> > although i agree it is far more annoying to hit the wrong key instead
> > of no key
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Joseph Reeves <iknowjoseph at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines
> > >> together inverted to each other?
> > >
> > > I think the fact that it's not like you describe the whole idea of
> > > the design ;)
> > >
> > > Go to the page on El Reg and try and type your name by pushing your
> > > monitor. It's stupid, yes, but it gives you an idea of how it would
> > > work. It seems, without any feedback, to be very nice. The fact that
> > > all the triangles are orientated the same way means you get a huge
> > > area of triangular free space around each key, that lets you mash at
> > > them without accidentally hitting another.
> > >
> > > I don't think it's about training your hands as others have said,
> > > it's about providing a key with a lot of free space around it -
> > > effectively you've made the key bigger (because you can hit any are
> > > around it and "sort of" hit the right one without mis-hitting
> > > another) whilst keeping the overall size very small.
> > >
> > > Its genius is its simplicity.
> > >
> > > Joseph
> > >
> > > 2009/6/3 neovento at freerunner <spaaam at ymail.com>:
> > >> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines
> > >> together inverted to each other?
> > >>
> > >> Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> > >>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Robin Paulson
> > >>> <robin.paulson at gmail.com>
> > >>>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>> apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
> > >>>>
> > >>>> i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think
> > >>>>
> > >>>> now, is it possible to coerce raster's keyboard into using
> > >>>> anything other than square keys?
> > >>>
> > >>> Looks interesting!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> r
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>>
> > >>> | risto h. kurppa
> > >>> | risto at kurppa dot fi
> > >>> | http://risto.kurppa.fi
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> Openmoko community mailing list
> > >>> community at lists.openmoko.org
> > >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> View this message in context:
> > >> http://n2.nabble.com/a-new-keyboard---discuss-and-critique-tp3016473
> > >>p3016823.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive
> > >> at Nabble.com.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Openmoko community mailing list
> > >> community at lists.openmoko.org
> > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Openmoko community mailing list
> > > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>
>
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From tanuva at googlemail.com  Wed Jun  3 14:56:54 2009
From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:56:54 +0200
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
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But dict mode is useless for me if I want to write in german, and I didn't 
bother to find a german dict yet because they mostly don't contain slang 
anyway. This hold-until-magnifier-pops-up thing isn't too helpful because 
it takes ages to type something up with that. Hitting a key twice because 
the first hit wasn't exact is faster.

--
Marcel

Am Mittwoch, 3. Juni 2009 14:14:40 schrieb Mathieu Rochette:
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Marcel <tanuva at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > I simply want to try that design before sending it to hell, maybe it
> > just works fine... I agree with people who said this before: Hitting
> > actually dead space is less painful than hitting the wrong key and
> > having to backspace/stroke-left all the time, maybe even accidentally
> > pressing other keys while doing that.
>
> with illume keyboard, if you use the dictionary mode, pressing another
> key is not that annoying.
> it is for other mode but the preview key (the key gone up when you
> press it) give you good feedback about which key your in and you can
> move your finger to correct if needed.
> unless his keyboard print the key on finger press (instead of finger
> up), you can not see if you hit a dead space or a key and so you can't
> move your finger to correct it, you have to make another try.
>
> > --
> > Marcel
> >
> > Am Mittwoch, 3. Juni 2009 13:53:46 schrieb Yorick Moko:
> > > i'm still undecided...
> > > although i agree it is far more annoying to hit the wrong key
> > > instead of no key
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Joseph Reeves
> > > <iknowjoseph at gmail.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > >> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines
> > > >> together inverted to each other?
> > > >
> > > > I think the fact that it's not like you describe the whole idea
> > > > of the design ;)
> > > >
> > > > Go to the page on El Reg and try and type your name by pushing
> > > > your monitor. It's stupid, yes, but it gives you an idea of how
> > > > it would work. It seems, without any feedback, to be very nice.
> > > > The fact that all the triangles are orientated the same way means
> > > > you get a huge area of triangular free space around each key,
> > > > that lets you mash at them without accidentally hitting another.
> > > >
> > > > I don't think it's about training your hands as others have said,
> > > > it's about providing a key with a lot of free space around it -
> > > > effectively you've made the key bigger (because you can hit any
> > > > are around it and "sort of" hit the right one without mis-hitting
> > > > another) whilst keeping the overall size very small.
> > > >
> > > > Its genius is its simplicity.
> > > >
> > > > Joseph
> > > >
> > > > 2009/6/3 neovento at freerunner <spaaam at ymail.com>:
> > > >> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines
> > > >> together inverted to each other?
> > > >>
> > > >> Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> > > >>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Robin Paulson
> > > >>> <robin.paulson at gmail.com>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>> apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> now, is it possible to coerce raster's keyboard into using
> > > >>>> anything other than square keys?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Looks interesting!
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> r
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>>
> > > >>> | risto h. kurppa
> > > >>> | risto at kurppa dot fi
> > > >>> | http://risto.kurppa.fi
> > > >>>
> > > >>> _______________________________________________
> > > >>> Openmoko community mailing list
> > > >>> community at lists.openmoko.org
> > > >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> View this message in context:
> > > >> http://n2.nabble.com/a-new-keyboard---discuss-and-critique-tp301
> > > >>6473 p3016823.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list
> > > >> archive at Nabble.com.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> Openmoko community mailing list
> > > >> community at lists.openmoko.org
> > > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Openmoko community mailing list
> > > > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
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From claregj at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 15:30:21 2009
From: claregj at gmail.com (clare johnstone)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:30:21 +0800
Subject: [neovento-5.6] Modifying the keyboard
Message-ID: <8e354bdf0906030630i4670907bs92c83aa892bb81cf@mail.gmail.com>

Hi;
I am finding a lot of improvements in this latest version; and I have
not been able to try a lot of them, due to lack of time. however I
have changed the keyboard (attached). The main reason was that some
keys were not there. Especially some that I needed. e.g. backslash  I
now have on it all the keys on my normal keyboard I think. I have
tried to arrange them with some logic, mainly that on the "123" page
are most of the things I want to write on the computer terminal. The
third collection is not well arranged and has plenty of empty slots. I
think the european language characters and some others will fit well
there. I have found a few.
the sources I am using for characters are:
http://www.webmonkey.com/reference/Special_Characters
and
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/sgml/entities.html#h-24.2.1

Does anyone know how I could make a "numbers lock" which would keep
the "123" page in place while it was being used?  It is possible, but
annoying to have to hit "123" before every number. I hoped to put that
function just above the "123" key.

thank you,
clare
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From mathroc at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 15:43:42 2009
From: mathroc at gmail.com (Mathieu Rochette)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:43:42 +0200
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Marcel <tanuva at googlemail.com> wrote:

> But dict mode is useless for me if I want to write in german, and I didn't
> bother to find a german dict yet because they mostly don't contain slang
> anyway. This hold-until-magnifier-pops-up thing isn't too helpful because
> it takes ages to type something up with that. Hitting a key twice because
> the first hit wasn't exact is faster.^

I wasn't talking about the big magnifier, just the small in top of the
finger.
let
pi the probability you miss a key with illume keyboard,
pt the probability you miss a key with triangle keyboard,
ki the time to press a key with illume,
kt the time to press a key with triangle,
ei the time to cancel an error with illume,
et the time to cancel an error with triangle.

et = 0 and ei = ki

the average time to type the correct key is: t(p, k, e) = k + Sum (i = [1,
+inf], (k+e)*pi^i)
ti = t(pi, ki, ei)
tt = t(pt, kt, 0)

et = 0 and ei = ki

the remaining maths are left as an exercise for the reader (I'm at work now
and I don't remember how to do that) :p

--
> Marcel
>
> Am Mittwoch, 3. Juni 2009 14:14:40 schrieb Mathieu Rochette:
> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Marcel <tanuva at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > I simply want to try that design before sending it to hell, maybe it
> > > just works fine... I agree with people who said this before: Hitting
> > > actually dead space is less painful than hitting the wrong key and
> > > having to backspace/stroke-left all the time, maybe even accidentally
> > > pressing other keys while doing that.
> >
> > with illume keyboard, if you use the dictionary mode, pressing another
> > key is not that annoying.
> > it is for other mode but the preview key (the key gone up when you
> > press it) give you good feedback about which key your in and you can
> > move your finger to correct if needed.
> > unless his keyboard print the key on finger press (instead of finger
> > up), you can not see if you hit a dead space or a key and so you can't
> > move your finger to correct it, you have to make another try.
> >
> > > --
> > > Marcel
> > >
> > > Am Mittwoch, 3. Juni 2009 13:53:46 schrieb Yorick Moko:
> > > > i'm still undecided...
> > > > although i agree it is far more annoying to hit the wrong key
> > > > instead of no key
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Joseph Reeves
> > > > <iknowjoseph at gmail.com>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > >> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines
> > > > >> together inverted to each other?
> > > > >
> > > > > I think the fact that it's not like you describe the whole idea
> > > > > of the design ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > Go to the page on El Reg and try and type your name by pushing
> > > > > your monitor. It's stupid, yes, but it gives you an idea of how
> > > > > it would work. It seems, without any feedback, to be very nice.
> > > > > The fact that all the triangles are orientated the same way means
> > > > > you get a huge area of triangular free space around each key,
> > > > > that lets you mash at them without accidentally hitting another.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't think it's about training your hands as others have said,
> > > > > it's about providing a key with a lot of free space around it -
> > > > > effectively you've made the key bigger (because you can hit any
> > > > > are around it and "sort of" hit the right one without mis-hitting
> > > > > another) whilst keeping the overall size very small.
> > > > >
> > > > > Its genius is its simplicity.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joseph
> > > > >
> > > > > 2009/6/3 neovento at freerunner <spaaam at ymail.com>:
> > > > >> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines
> > > > >> together inverted to each other?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> > > > >>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Robin Paulson
> > > > >>> <robin.paulson at gmail.com>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>>> apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> now, is it possible to coerce raster's keyboard into using
> > > > >>>> anything other than square keys?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Looks interesting!
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> r
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> --
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> | risto h. kurppa
> > > > >>> | risto at kurppa dot fi
> > > > >>> | http://risto.kurppa.fi
> > > > >>>
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From raster at rasterman.com  Wed Jun  3 15:45:40 2009
From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman))
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:45:40 +1000
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
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On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:07:07 +0200 Marcel <tanuva at googlemail.com> said:

> I simply want to try that design before sending it to hell, maybe it just 
> works fine... I agree with people who said this before: Hitting actually 
> dead space is less painful than hitting the wrong key and having to 
> backspace/stroke-left all the time, maybe even accidentally pressing other 
> keys while doing that.

but u'll hit dead space (nothing) about 50% more often than the actual key you
intended to hit now (as 50% of the area it would have normally used is now dead
space). for a physical kbd it might help as u have better tactile feel as u have
more edge near the finger, but for a touchscreen - all you do is lose 50% of he
area you had before for hitting keys. (admittedly  for mis-types now where you
would have hit another key there is less area to hit too).

so you lose more keypresses (you lost 50% of the hit area), but you lost mis-hit
area too.

one way or another - you press, then quickly press next key, but then notice
that the previous key wasn't hit - u still need to backspace and re-enter again
(possibly missing again). you just give up 1 kind of error for another kind

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From raster at rasterman.com  Wed Jun  3 15:46:00 2009
From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman))
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:46:00 +1000
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
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On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 00:01:18 +1200 Robin Paulson <robin.paulson at gmail.com> said:

> 2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler <raster at rasterman.com>:
> > u seriously doubt that. mis-pressing keys will also make you want to hi them
> > more accurately too. it applies to both cases. thedifference is that if you
> > are not more accurate u get zero key press as opposed to the one you wanted
> > when its a square. then you aways get a press - the question is - are you
> > so far off that u pressed the wrong key.
> 
> raster, is it possible to create triangular keys for your keyboard?

yes. just draw triangular buttons and have transparency where you dont want
them hit (on the image), use the image as he hit area and add:

precise_is_inside: 1;

so the part (alone with scale, type, name etc.). this basically makes evas use
the actual pixel alpha to determine if a point is inside the image or not, as
opposed to just is bounding region (which is normal).

nb - NEVER tested this before...

> how difficult would it be for someone to put this together, to test
> out what he's saying?
> 
> if he can't get anyone interested, maybe he'd waive a patent suit in
> our case, in exchange for it being a demo for his technology?

that's up to him, but, since i know it's patented now - i am not touching it.
willfully violating a patent with knowledge is much nastier than accidentally
violating one you dont know about.

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From rms at 1407.org  Wed Jun  3 15:50:44 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:50:44 +0100
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
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On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 03:43:42PM +0200, Mathieu Rochette wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Marcel <tanuva at googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
> > But dict mode is useless for me if I want to write in german, and I didn't
> > bother to find a german dict yet because they mostly don't contain slang
> > anyway.

Just edit them, and add:

 slang  N

Where slang is the slang you want and N is the frequency (the higher, the most
likely to show up in the list).

The keyboard with a good dictionary is awesome... I hated it too, but with a
(nearly) million portuguese words dict it is very rare indeed that I need to
type character by character.

My main problem is actually that sometimes it gets stuck calculating the
word list for a bit longer.

Rui



From spaaam at ymail.com  Wed Jun  3 16:23:07 2009
From: spaaam at ymail.com (neovento@freerunner)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:23:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [neovento-5.6] Modifying the keyboard
In-Reply-To: <8e354bdf0906030630i4670907bs92c83aa892bb81cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8e354bdf0906030630i4670907bs92c83aa892bb81cf@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Clare, 

thanks for your efforts :)

The next neovento version will include a small configuration program which
will allow you to switch between the keyboard layouts.

The numpad issue is something we could not solve. With the most recent
matchbox keyboard you could use different layouts on one keyboard, but we
couldn't figure out how.

Maybe someone knows the answer how to use different layouts on the mbk.

With that feature this would be the best keyboard available on the FR
regarding usability.


clare johnstone wrote:
> 
> Hi;
> I am finding a lot of improvements in this latest version; and I have
> not been able to try a lot of them, due to lack of time. however I
> have changed the keyboard (attached). The main reason was that some
> keys were not there. Especially some that I needed. e.g. backslash  I
> now have on it all the keys on my normal keyboard I think. I have
> tried to arrange them with some logic, mainly that on the "123" page
> are most of the things I want to write on the computer terminal. The
> third collection is not well arranged and has plenty of empty slots. I
> think the european language characters and some others will fit well
> there. I have found a few.
> the sources I am using for characters are:
> http://www.webmonkey.com/reference/Special_Characters
> and
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/sgml/entities.html#h-24.2.1
> 
> Does anyone know how I could make a "numbers lock" which would keep
> the "123" page in place while it was being used?  It is possible, but
> annoying to have to hit "123" before every number. I hoped to put that
> function just above the "123" key.
> 
> thank you,
> clare
> 

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From rusolis at poczta.fm  Wed Jun  3 17:10:49 2009
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:10:49 +0200
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
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2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler <raster at rasterman.com>

> but u'll hit dead space (nothing) about 50% more often than the actual key
> you
> intended to hit now (as 50% of the area it would have normally used is now
> dead
> space). for a physical kbd it might help as u have better tactile feel as u
> have
> more edge near the finger, but for a touchscreen - all you do is lose 50%
> of he
> area you had before for hitting keys. (admittedly  for mis-types now where
> you
> would have hit another key there is less area to hit too).
>
> so you lose more keypresses (you lost 50% of the hit area), but you lost
> mis-hit
> area too.
>
> one way or another - you press, then quickly press next key, but then
> notice
> that the previous key wasn't hit - u still need to backspace and re-enter
> again
> (possibly missing again). you just give up 1 kind of error for another kind
>

I'm amazed how much you guys can theorize about the idea before actually
trying it.

Is it because of allergy to patents? I bet we could use the general idea if
we wanted to, without violating the patent. Just change the shape of the
keys or something.
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From spaaam at ymail.com  Wed Jun  3 17:40:43 2009
From: spaaam at ymail.com (neovento@freerunner)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:40:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
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What about first building a decent keyboard with normal keys and then dream
about triangular keys glory?

Such a triangular keyboard uses lots of space, maybe twice the space of a
normal keyboard. That's certainly not useful on the small freerunner screen
which is also cramped by the casing frame.

It's sad that this community couldn't even manage to build a decent keyboard
for the freerunner within one year. Is there even any attempt to make one?


rusolis wrote:
> 
> 2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler <raster at rasterman.com>
> 
>> but u'll hit dead space (nothing) about 50% more often than the actual
>> key
>> you
>> intended to hit now (as 50% of the area it would have normally used is
>> now
>> dead
>> space). for a physical kbd it might help as u have better tactile feel as
>> u
>> have
>> more edge near the finger, but for a touchscreen - all you do is lose 50%
>> of he
>> area you had before for hitting keys. (admittedly  for mis-types now
>> where
>> you
>> would have hit another key there is less area to hit too).
>>
>> so you lose more keypresses (you lost 50% of the hit area), but you lost
>> mis-hit
>> area too.
>>
>> one way or another - you press, then quickly press next key, but then
>> notice
>> that the previous key wasn't hit - u still need to backspace and re-enter
>> again
>> (possibly missing again). you just give up 1 kind of error for another
>> kind
>>
> 
> I'm amazed how much you guys can theorize about the idea before actually
> trying it.
> 
> Is it because of allergy to patents? I bet we could use the general idea
> if
> we wanted to, without violating the patent. Just change the shape of the
> keys or something.
> 
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From rms at 1407.org  Wed Jun  3 17:55:02 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:55:02 +0100
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
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On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 05:10:49PM +0200, Michal Brzozowski wrote:
> 2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler <raster at rasterman.com>
> I'm amazed how much you guys can theorize about the idea before actually
> trying it.
> 
> Is it because of allergy to patents?

No, it's the general allergy to being sued for willingful patent infringement.

> I bet we could use the general idea if
> we wanted to, without violating the patent. Just change the shape of the
> keys or something.

It is not at all impossible that if a patent is granted, any touchscreen
keyboard may be infringing on it.

Rui



From raster at rasterman.com  Wed Jun  3 18:00:58 2009
From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman))
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 02:00:58 +1000
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
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On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:10:49 +0200 Michal Brzozowski <rusolis at poczta.fm> said:


> I'm amazed how much you guys can theorize about the idea before actually
> trying it.

i theorize because hat's what i've done for decades doing code, ui etc. i sit
and think about how something will work months or years before i do it. that's
how i figure out how to make something that could be fast in what it does - by
theorizing on usage patterns, internal data and logic flow etc.etc. months or
years before it ever actually works (and then smile as all the thinking paid
off).

> Is it because of allergy to patents? I bet we could use the general idea if
> we wanted to, without violating the patent. Just change the shape of the
> keys or something.

patents are an area which could literally wipe out my entire life's savings if
taken to court, shown to willfully infringe. you need to check up on patent
law and the sonsequences. if you willfully infringe (KNOW something is
patented and then use it anyway), you don't have a leg to stand on in a court.
maybe you have nothing to lose - i definitely do and won't touch something i
KNOW is patented. better never tell me it's patented - then at least i have a
leg to stand on.

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From raster at rasterman.com  Wed Jun  3 18:05:53 2009
From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman))
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 02:05:53 +1000
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
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On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:40:43 -0700 (PDT) "neovento at freerunner"
<spaaam at ymail.com> said:

> 
> What about first building a decent keyboard with normal keys and then dream
> about triangular keys glory?
> 
> Such a triangular keyboard uses lots of space, maybe twice the space of a
> normal keyboard. That's certainly not useful on the small freerunner screen
> which is also cramped by the casing frame.
> 
> It's sad that this community couldn't even manage to build a decent keyboard
> for the freerunner within one year. Is there even any attempt to make one?

well people will disagree - qtopia's predictive kbd and illume's do a damn good
job given the tiny screen space. ask peolpe who actually use it (and if you
dont use english - find a dict for your language). sure - it wont help with
shell commands or coding, but in the end you have a TINY screen. i know i
complain about my laptop kbd - and it's a 15" device. the kbd is a bit small
for doing real code. i have a 10" sony viao x505 - thats pretty much impossible
to do real code on. now a 2.8" screen - which you ALSO want to use for
displaying stuff... let's get real. you will never have a god kbd for such
things. at best u'll have one for pidgeon-pecking out some shortish sms's. be
realistic. just because i open and runs linux doesnt mean it can be the be-all
and do-all of your computing life. there's more to such devices than just
software - like good hardware, good industrial design etc. etc.

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From vanous at penguin.cz  Wed Jun  3 18:27:46 2009
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:27:46 +0200
Subject: illume keyboard force on/off
Message-ID: <20090603182746.7bc67dd3@laptop-vanek>

hi,

i have some really annoying troubles with the illume keyboard.

it doesn't remember i have made it show once i switch windows and this
gets really annoying. is there a way for it to remember it's state for
a window?

imagine a typical situation - retyping from one window to another:

open terminal, reach up, get keyboard, type
open web browser, reach up, get keyboard, type
read up some stuff
switch back to terminal - keyboard is off, go up, get keyboard, type
switch to browser, read up some more
switch back to terminal - keyboard is off, go up, get keyboard, type

thanks for any hints...

Petr




From fredrik.normann.junk at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 18:39:08 2009
From: fredrik.normann.junk at gmail.com (fredrik normann)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:39:08 -0300
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
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A bit off topic, but what about generating a dictionary out of:

*  Sent and received sms's. I want to dict that is a mix between, english,
norwegian and spanish
* add the $PATH to the dict, so it's at easy to write small commands in the
terminal.

-fredrik-
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From wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca  Wed Jun  3 18:43:48 2009
From: wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca (Warren Baird)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:43:48 -0400
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.20
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Makes sense - I'll try to come up with a few in the next couple of days.   I
guess drop 'em in a directory like /usr/share/wallpapers?   then you can
make that the default folder to browse in your prefs UI?

For the category picker - how much work would it be to maintain both modes
and let the user pick in the prefs?

And for editing the categories - I found the 'configure' button at the far
right - but I don't see how to add or remove categories from there - I was
able to assign apps to certain categories, but not edit the list of
categories.

Warren

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:30 AM, c_c <cchandel at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Warren Baird-2 wrote:
> >
> >>Yeah, I could contribute some wallpapers - probably under a
> CC-Attrib-Share
> >>Alike license, if that's acceptable to you...
> >
>  Sure, whatever license that allows users to use them and lets me
> distribute them with the launcher.
> Actually, I just need a few (maybe 2 or 3). You could look at making a
> small
> wallpaper ipk that can be downloaded by the user from your site / opkg.org
> .
> That will give you more freedom and exposure. How about that?
>
> Warren Baird-2 wrote:
> >
> >>And how do you feel about tasteful nudity?  :-)
> >
>  Hah! I don't mind it at all. But maybe it would be better to have them as
> another ipk - to prevent offending some people.
>
> Warren Baird-2 wrote:
> >
> >>I'm not sure about the scroll bar at the bottom to select the
> categories...   I agree it's prettier - but it's >also slower to find the
> category you want.   Before it was always just two clicks, now it can be
> 'drag, >drag, drag, click'...
> >
>  As I see it - these are the advantages :-
>
>  * Almost infinite amount of categories
>  * looks nicer / sexier
>
>  and the disadvantages :-
>
>  * slower
>  * needs dragging and then a click
>  * is it just me or the the dragging seems less responsive
>  * Less Intuitive (maybe just me again)
>
>  I have asked for feedback about the toolbar - but haven't really gotten
> much. I'm still not decided one way or the other - but I personally prefer
> the combo box / hover drop down - primarily because its faster.
>
> Warren Baird-2 wrote:
> >
> >>also - I can't figure out how to edit the list of category in this
> version
> - how do I do that?
> >
>  Click on the configuration part of the toolbar (extreme right) and you'll
> get the preferences window.
>
> Warren Baird-2 wrote:
> >
> >>Hmm - do you track when and how many times each app is launched?   I'd
> love to see automatically >populated categories for 'most recent' and 'most
> popular' or something like that...
> >
>  I'm not doing that yet - but I'll add it to my TODO.
> Thanks for all the feedback.
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha%29-Release-0.20-tp2969146p3016483.html
> Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>
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From kimaidou at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 19:06:51 2009
From: kimaidou at gmail.com (kimaidou)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:06:51 +0200
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <c14791670906030939u2e66ea5bwebac53c4f71e1f43@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi all

Another idea to use the triangles but without dead spaces (so compatible
with small screen)
What about alternate orientations for each key, a bit like this:

/q\w/e\r/t\y/...

This way you have more space in the top on w, r and y, and more space on the
bottom for q, e and t. I mean more space compared to the squared keys like
this :
|q|w|e|r|t|y|

Has anyone tried it yet ? I have the feeling it would ROCK   ^ ^

Kimaidou


t, so it's at easy to write small commands in the terminal.
>
> -fredrik-
>
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From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Wed Jun  3 19:10:19 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:10:19 +0100
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <20090603135044.GC28067@roque.1407.org>
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On Wednesday 03 June 2009, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 03:43:42PM +0200, Mathieu Rochette wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Marcel <tanuva at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > But dict mode is useless for me if I want to write in german, and I
> > > didn't bother to find a german dict yet because they mostly don't
> > > contain slang anyway.
>
> Just edit them, and add:
>
>  slang  N
>
> Where slang is the slang you want and N is the frequency (the higher, the
> most likely to show up in the list).

Or just type it accurately once and accept it, then it gets added to the user 
dictionary for future use. As you use it the frequency gets updated, so the 
dictionary matches adapt to the words you tend to use.



From raster at rasterman.com  Wed Jun  3 19:20:02 2009
From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman))
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 03:20:02 +1000
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
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On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:39:08 -0300 fredrik normann
<fredrik.normann.junk at gmail.com> said:

> A bit off topic, but what about generating a dictionary out of:
> 
> *  Sent and received sms's. I want to dict that is a mix between, english,
> norwegian and spanish
> * add the $PATH to the dict, so it's at easy to write small commands in the
> terminal.

go for it. that is why i made the dic format so simple - i paid a big price in
compute overhead to use that dict.

-- 
------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" --------------
The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)    raster at rasterman.com




From steve at openmoko.com  Wed Jun  3 19:43:29 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:43:29 -0700
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <20090603070637.GC23042@roque.1407.org>
References: <2f3aa2770906022227i541bc502t47cb685b24c8c2b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090603070637.GC23042@roque.1407.org>
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I Wonder if you actually need to implement a visual triangle or if a 
triangular touch area would work just as well?

And I wonder how tighly the patent is written around the concept of a 
triangle.. Perhaps shave off a tiny prtion of the tip of the triangle 
and you have a parallelogram... hmm just a tiny portion.. say a two 
pixel wide section

hmmm

Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 05:27:00PM +1200, Robin Paulson wrote:
>> apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
>>
>> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
>>
>> i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think
>>
>> now, is it possible to coerce raster's keyboard into using anything
>> other than square keys?
> 
> Made by an idiot, article written by another.
> 
> 
> 	A British inventor has submitted a patent application for a
> 	wacky touchscreen keyboard design which
> 
> "inventor"? "patent"?
> 
> Idiots.
> 
> Rui
> 
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From steve at openmoko.com  Wed Jun  3 19:47:09 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:47:09 -0700
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <20090603174520.a074bc96.raster@rasterman.com>
References: <2f3aa2770906022227i541bc502t47cb685b24c8c2b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090603174520.a074bc96.raster@rasterman.com>
Message-ID: <4A26B71D.8050800@openmoko.com>

Perhaps he thinks by presenting the keyboard in that way  you will be 
"more careful" in where you tap your finger..

Worth a test.. but in theory I agree with you.. more dead space = more 
failed keypresses.."im touching put nothing is happening...

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:27:00 +1200 Robin Paulson <robin.paulson at gmail.com> said:
> 
>> apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.
>>
>> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/
>>
>> i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think
> 
> he's smoking crack. his logic (that more deadspace makes for less mis-presses)
> is just wrong. it makes for fewer "presses". you hit the deadspace much more
> often and press nothing. if you simply expanded each key to just fill the
> rectangular region it ocupies (which it effectively does as that space is
> unused and dead) hen you get a no less accurate keyboard than what he as, but
> somewhere were u are MORE likely to actually hit a key as opposed to hit
> nothing.
> 
> the kbd just makes no sense. making keys bigger is simply the way to make them
> more accurate to hit. if that isn't an option an you still do a kbd-style
> keyboard, then having some sort of guessing algorithm that guesses what you
> meant to hit is all you have left.
> 
> doing a non "qwerty" style is the only other way you have a way out as you
> could have fewer keys, now easier to hit, but you may need to hit them multiple
> types (normal abc, def, ghi etc. number keypad style), and even here to avoid
> the multiple hits, you need again a guessing algorithm (t9). :)
> 
>> now, is it possible to coerce raster's keyboard into using anything
>> other than square keys?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> 



From michael_zanetti at gmx.net  Wed Jun  3 19:49:01 2009
From: michael_zanetti at gmx.net (Michael Zanetti)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:49:01 +0200
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.20
In-Reply-To: <20090603120246.650f6922@laptop-vanek>
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On Wednesday 03 June 2009 12:02:46 Petr Vanek wrote:
> >In contrast to Warner I really like the scroll bar at the bottom, and
> >I find it not only nice looking, but also very easy to use with one
> >hand. The only problem I found so far is that it scrolls not only
> >horizontally but also vertically.
>
> yes, i was looking at the same scroll bar used in illume settings and
> there it doesn't scroll up and down, which might be the reason why the
> response is so funny...
>

Yes, thats true... The toolbar in illume's settings is easier to use because 
it doesn't scroll horizontally.

I've noticed this in other apps too. All lists scoll slower if the 
smooth-bounce-back-at-end feature is enabled. Altough it looks very nice, it 
may be too heavy for the freerunners hardware.

But, this also seems to be a common problem of elementary. For example look at 
Neon. It scrolls really smooth. I have no idea what toolkit they use, 
though...

Apart from this I'd vote for the toolbar and against the dropdown list.

Thanks c_c!

Michael



From pike-openmoko at kw.nl  Wed Jun  3 19:50:31 2009
From: pike-openmoko at kw.nl (pike)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:50:31 +0200
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <1244043643664-3019034.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <2f3aa2770906022227i541bc502t47cb685b24c8c2b2@mail.gmail.com>	<d3e504410906022238s2d4cb115pacaf5ea5cce59a8@mail.gmail.com>	<1244014902665-3016823.post@n2.nabble.com>	<958244340906030445n5f4b1732s10c954e3730eafe3@mail.gmail.com>	<26fea52c0906030453m6c9830e7o8d250660836e1020@mail.gmail.com>	<200906031407.07418.tanuva@gmail.com>	<20090603234540.6da27349.raster@rasterman.com>	<8b48b1570906030810w644f4a51w8f8fdc187b6488fa@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi
> It's sad that this community couldn't even manage to build a decent keyboard
> for the freerunner within one year. 

I did try the list of keyboards last year
and couldnt live with them. But the current one - shipping
with om2009 - is pretty good. Even with fingers.
So, there's been progress..

What keyboard is it anyway ? Is it listed here
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate ?

thanks,
*-pike








From steve at openmoko.com  Wed Jun  3 19:50:34 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:50:34 -0700
Subject: Tuxbrain offers Neo FreeRunner in three flavors
In-Reply-To: <68da43e00906030306o13588703ted820f9462c6b6b2@mail.gmail.com>
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A7 is sitting at the factory waiting for orders

Timo Jyrinki wrote:
> 2009/6/3 David Reyes Samblas Martinez <david at tuxbrain.com>:
>> Devel Upgraded Version(A6+) at 259 EUR
>> Retail Version(A7) at 299 EUR
> 
> Great news! Are both A6+ and A7 available for shipment right way? Not
> that it would matter regarding A7, since A6+ is equivalent, but
> interested if A7 production runs have started now.
> 
> At least I'll start recommending FreeRunner now to people to whom I've
> so far said to wait for the buzz-fixed version :)
> 
> -Timo
> 
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From kimaidou at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 19:53:58 2009
From: kimaidou at gmail.com (kimaidou)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:53:58 +0200
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
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hummm... no reaction to my /q\w/e\r/t\y/  idea ;)  ?


2009/6/3 pike <pike-openmoko at kw.nl>

> Hi
> > It's sad that this community couldn't even manage to build a decent
> keyboard
> > for the freerunner within one year.
>
> I did try the list of keyboards last year
> and couldnt live with them. But the current one - shipping
> with om2009 - is pretty good. Even with fingers.
> So, there's been progress..
>
> What keyboard is it anyway ? Is it listed here
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate ?
>
> thanks,
> *-pike
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From rusolis at poczta.fm  Wed Jun  3 19:58:57 2009
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:58:57 +0200
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
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2009/6/3 Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com>

> Perhaps he thinks by presenting the keyboard in that way  you will be
> "more careful" in where you tap your finger..
>
> Worth a test.. but in theory I agree with you.. more dead space = more
> failed keypresses.."im touching put nothing is happening...
>


If raster is right that dead space is bad, then maybe just use triangular
images for keys? If you subconsciously try to hit the triangle instead of
square maybe you'll miss less often.

OT: how are software patents standing now in European Union?
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From michael_zanetti at gmx.net  Wed Jun  3 19:59:25 2009
From: michael_zanetti at gmx.net (Michael Zanetti)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:59:25 +0200
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.20
In-Reply-To: <200906031949.01239.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
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On Wednesday 03 June 2009 19:49:01 Michael Zanetti wrote:
> On Wednesday 03 June 2009 12:02:46 Petr Vanek wrote:
> > >In contrast to Warner I really like the scroll bar at the bottom, and
> > >I find it not only nice looking, but also very easy to use with one
> > >hand. The only problem I found so far is that it scrolls not only
> > >horizontally but also vertically.
> >
> > yes, i was looking at the same scroll bar used in illume settings and
> > there it doesn't scroll up and down, which might be the reason why the
> > response is so funny...
>
> Yes, thats true... The toolbar in illume's settings is easier to use
> because it doesn't scroll horizontally.

Sorry, of course I meant vertically...

>
> I've noticed this in other apps too. All lists scoll slower if the
> smooth-bounce-back-at-end feature is enabled. Altough it looks very nice,
> it may be too heavy for the freerunners hardware.
>
> But, this also seems to be a common problem of elementary. For example look
> at Neon. It scrolls really smooth. I have no idea what toolkit they use,
> though...
>
> Apart from this I'd vote for the toolbar and against the dropdown list.
>
> Thanks c_c!
>
> Michael
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



From steve at openmoko.com  Wed Jun  3 20:05:12 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:05:12 -0700
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <20090603234540.6da27349.raster@rasterman.com>
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yes, you substitute one error for the other. the issue is the probablity 
of those errors and the time to correct..

no harm in testing the approach, if somebody has time on their hands

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:07:07 +0200 Marcel <tanuva at googlemail.com> said:
> 
>> I simply want to try that design before sending it to hell, maybe it just 
>> works fine... I agree with people who said this before: Hitting actually 
>> dead space is less painful than hitting the wrong key and having to 
>> backspace/stroke-left all the time, maybe even accidentally pressing other 
>> keys while doing that.
> 
> but u'll hit dead space (nothing) about 50% more often than the actual key you
> intended to hit now (as 50% of the area it would have normally used is now dead
> space). for a physical kbd it might help as u have better tactile feel as u have
> more edge near the finger, but for a touchscreen - all you do is lose 50% of he
> area you had before for hitting keys. (admittedly  for mis-types now where you
> would have hit another key there is less area to hit too).
> 
> so you lose more keypresses (you lost 50% of the hit area), but you lost mis-hit
> area too.
> 
> one way or another - you press, then quickly press next key, but then notice
> that the previous key wasn't hit - u still need to backspace and re-enter again
> (possibly missing again). you just give up 1 kind of error for another kind
> 



From steve at openmoko.com  Wed Jun  3 20:08:51 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:08:51 -0700
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
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before you test you need a good theory. that way you know what data to 
collect. raster has a theory why it wont be better. That's a testable 
theory, I think.

Michal Brzozowski wrote:
> 2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler <raster at rasterman.com>
> 
>> but u'll hit dead space (nothing) about 50% more often than the actual key
>> you
>> intended to hit now (as 50% of the area it would have normally used is now
>> dead
>> space). for a physical kbd it might help as u have better tactile feel as u
>> have
>> more edge near the finger, but for a touchscreen - all you do is lose 50%
>> of he
>> area you had before for hitting keys. (admittedly  for mis-types now where
>> you
>> would have hit another key there is less area to hit too).
>>
>> so you lose more keypresses (you lost 50% of the hit area), but you lost
>> mis-hit
>> area too.
>>
>> one way or another - you press, then quickly press next key, but then
>> notice
>> that the previous key wasn't hit - u still need to backspace and re-enter
>> again
>> (possibly missing again). you just give up 1 kind of error for another kind
>>
> 
> I'm amazed how much you guys can theorize about the idea before actually
> trying it.
> 
> Is it because of allergy to patents? I bet we could use the general idea if
> we wanted to, without violating the patent. Just change the shape of the
> keys or something.
> 
> 
> 
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From werner at openmoko.org  Wed Jun  3 20:10:44 2009
From: werner at openmoko.org (Werner Almesberger)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:10:44 -0300
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090603181044.GB4625@almesberger.net>

Sean, thanks for the update !

It is unfortunate that Openmoko Inc. cannot presently continue to
lead the development of the open phone. But then, many a great
undertaking has required more than one effort before reaching its
goal. Anything that brings us closer to that goal is a success in
itself, and the value of previous achievements is often only
appreciated in the light of the final result.

I'm very glad that Openmoko Inc. has not only brought the vision of
the ubiquituous open phone this much closer to its realization, but
that you are also willing to help us to ease the transition from a
project centered around a single company to a true community effort.

In the name of the gta02-core project, I'm particularly grateful to
you and the board for supporting this effort with further material
and components. This will be critical for enabling us to open up the
engineering process with our moderate resources.

Alright, I think we all have a lot of work lined up for the future.
I hope we'll all have the opportunity to envy each other's before
too long ! :-)

- Werner



From steve at openmoko.com  Wed Jun  3 20:13:12 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:13:12 -0700
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <20090604020058.f542608c.raster@rasterman.com>
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Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:10:49 +0200 Michal Brzozowski <rusolis at poczta.fm> said:
> 
> 
>> I'm amazed how much you guys can theorize about the idea before actually
>> trying it.
> 
> i theorize because hat's what i've done for decades doing code, ui etc. i sit
> and think about how something will work months or years before i do it. that's
> how i figure out how to make something that could be fast in what it does - by
> theorizing on usage patterns, internal data and logic flow etc.etc. months or
> years before it ever actually works (and then smile as all the thinking paid
> off).
> 
>> Is it because of allergy to patents? I bet we could use the general idea if
>> we wanted to, without violating the patent. Just change the shape of the
>> keys or something.
> 
> patents are an area which could literally wipe out my entire life's savings if
> taken to court, shown to willfully infringe. you need to check up on patent
> law and the sonsequences. if you willfully infringe (KNOW something is
> patented and then use it anyway), you don't have a leg to stand on in a court.
> maybe you have nothing to lose - i definitely do and won't touch something i
> KNOW is patented. better never tell me it's patented - then at least i have a
> leg to stand on.

    yep. triple damages. When doing 3D graphics we NEVER looked at 
patents, otherwise we couldnt build shit.

    hehe.. dirty little secret raster.. I got two software patents 
(company forced me to), wanna read them?
> 



From werner at openmoko.org  Wed Jun  3 20:21:26 2009
From: werner at openmoko.org (Werner Almesberger)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:21:26 -0300
Subject: Mailing list glitch?
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	<4A25AC01.6010102@frombob.to>
Message-ID: <20090603182126.GC4625@almesberger.net>

Doug Jones wrote:
> Has this bug been there all along?  Does our community's collective 
> memory have a hole in it?

Seems that it chopped the mail at the line beginning with "From".
Not sure where the rest ended up ...

- Werner



From raster at rasterman.com  Wed Jun  3 20:28:54 2009
From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman))
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 04:28:54 +1000
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
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On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:13:12 -0700 Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com> said:

>     yep. triple damages. When doing 3D graphics we NEVER looked at 
> patents, otherwise we couldnt build shit.

oh indeed. the only way to go is plead ignorance. if it comes to court without
a cease and desist you will very likely get off (with then just a cease and
desist) unless they can prove you willfully infringed - i.e. - you knew about
the patent beforehand or at any time up to and beyond actually
shipping/distributing product. you couldn't sanely be successfully sued for
infringing a patent you never knew about. but... if you did. woe betide ye! :)
so as you say steve - a real life example there in a real commercial setting.
its better to be utterly ignorant and hope for the best. it may be you infringe
on patents and the holders just dont care, thus will not sue. :)

>     hehe.. dirty little secret raster.. I got two software patents 
> (company forced me to), wanna read them?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! never! i shall poke my eyes out first and fill my ears
with cement! :)

/me heads back to his safe patent ignorance zone :)

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From raster at rasterman.com  Wed Jun  3 20:32:44 2009
From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman))
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 04:32:44 +1000
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
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On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:08:51 -0700 Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com> said:

indeed. i believe "its not worth bothering". so i am not going to invest any
time into trying it (to try it i'd have to build it... and that will use time)
as my theorising says to me "it wont help". if someone else who thinks it
really is the bees knees... then build it, try it, test it and prove it! get a
non-biased 3rd party to go use the kbd to enter common input or a phone (emails,
sms's, etc.) and then time over maybe 50 specific messages how long it takes to
get a 100% accurate entry of it. of course make the test unbiased by swapping
which kbd they use first t enter in each test (first test kbd a then b, in test
2, b then a etc.).

if you really think this kbd (on a touchscreen) is the bees knees - prove it! :)

> before you test you need a good theory. that way you know what data to 
> collect. raster has a theory why it wont be better. That's a testable 
> theory, I think.
> 
> Michal Brzozowski wrote:
> > 2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler <raster at rasterman.com>
> > 
> >> but u'll hit dead space (nothing) about 50% more often than the actual key
> >> you
> >> intended to hit now (as 50% of the area it would have normally used is now
> >> dead
> >> space). for a physical kbd it might help as u have better tactile feel as u
> >> have
> >> more edge near the finger, but for a touchscreen - all you do is lose 50%
> >> of he
> >> area you had before for hitting keys. (admittedly  for mis-types now where
> >> you
> >> would have hit another key there is less area to hit too).
> >>
> >> so you lose more keypresses (you lost 50% of the hit area), but you lost
> >> mis-hit
> >> area too.
> >>
> >> one way or another - you press, then quickly press next key, but then
> >> notice
> >> that the previous key wasn't hit - u still need to backspace and re-enter
> >> again
> >> (possibly missing again). you just give up 1 kind of error for another kind
> >>
> > 
> > I'm amazed how much you guys can theorize about the idea before actually
> > trying it.
> > 
> > Is it because of allergy to patents? I bet we could use the general idea if
> > we wanted to, without violating the patent. Just change the shape of the
> > keys or something.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 


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From raster at rasterman.com  Wed Jun  3 20:34:03 2009
From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman))
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 04:34:03 +1000
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <4A26BB58.8090705@openmoko.com>
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On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:05:12 -0700 Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com> said:

indeed. if there is a lot of deadspace where no hit happens its then even
harder for a corrective algo + dict to work as often u will tap and nothing
happens (it happens often enough on the gta02if you use a finger. using
fingernails or stylus is better, but the ts isnt very sensitive)

> yes, you substitute one error for the other. the issue is the probablity 
> of those errors and the time to correct..
> 
> no harm in testing the approach, if somebody has time on their hands
> 
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:07:07 +0200 Marcel <tanuva at googlemail.com> said:
> > 
> >> I simply want to try that design before sending it to hell, maybe it just 
> >> works fine... I agree with people who said this before: Hitting actually 
> >> dead space is less painful than hitting the wrong key and having to 
> >> backspace/stroke-left all the time, maybe even accidentally pressing other 
> >> keys while doing that.
> > 
> > but u'll hit dead space (nothing) about 50% more often than the actual key
> > you intended to hit now (as 50% of the area it would have normally used is
> > now dead space). for a physical kbd it might help as u have better tactile
> > feel as u have more edge near the finger, but for a touchscreen - all you
> > do is lose 50% of he area you had before for hitting keys. (admittedly  for
> > mis-types now where you would have hit another key there is less area to
> > hit too).
> > 
> > so you lose more keypresses (you lost 50% of the hit area), but you lost
> > mis-hit area too.
> > 
> > one way or another - you press, then quickly press next key, but then notice
> > that the previous key wasn't hit - u still need to backspace and re-enter
> > again (possibly missing again). you just give up 1 kind of error for
> > another kind
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 


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From raster at rasterman.com  Wed Jun  3 20:34:52 2009
From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman))
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 04:34:52 +1000
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
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On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:43:29 -0700 Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com> said:

> I Wonder if you actually need to implement a visual triangle or if a 
> triangular touch area would work just as well?
> 
> And I wonder how tighly the patent is written around the concept of a 
> triangle.. Perhaps shave off a tiny prtion of the tip of the triangle 
> and you have a parallelogram... hmm just a tiny portion.. say a two 
> pixel wide section

i wonder what a judge/jury would say to such technical "bypassing"? :)


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From raster at rasterman.com  Wed Jun  3 20:36:34 2009
From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman))
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 04:36:34 +1000
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <8b48b1570906031058p467e8c44q3b468b185afc8286@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:58:57 +0200 Michal Brzozowski <rusolis at poczta.fm> said:

> 2009/6/3 Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com>
> 
> > Perhaps he thinks by presenting the keyboard in that way  you will be
> > "more careful" in where you tap your finger..
> >
> > Worth a test.. but in theory I agree with you.. more dead space = more
> > failed keypresses.."im touching put nothing is happening...
> >
> 
> 
> If raster is right that dead space is bad, then maybe just use triangular
> images for keys? If you subconsciously try to hit the triangle instead of
> square maybe you'll miss less often.
> 
> OT: how are software patents standing now in European Union?

somehow i dont think this works for a finger - the finger is so big compared to
the keys (3-4x the diameter) i don't thin this works. with a stylus though i
would agree, but when u have a stylus - u can be quite accurate and hit the key
you want regardless of shape! :)


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From steve at openmoko.com  Wed Jun  3 20:44:31 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:44:31 -0700
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <20090604042854.657f8583.raster@rasterman.com>
References: <2f3aa2770906022227i541bc502t47cb685b24c8c2b2@mail.gmail.com>	<958244340906030445n5f4b1732s10c954e3730eafe3@mail.gmail.com>	<26fea52c0906030453m6c9830e7o8d250660836e1020@mail.gmail.com>	<200906031407.07418.tanuva@gmail.com>	<20090603234540.6da27349.raster@rasterman.com>	<8b48b1570906030810w644f4a51w8f8fdc187b6488fa@mail.gmail.com>	<20090604020058.f542608c.raster@rasterman.com>	<4A26BD38.10102@openmoko.com>
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Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:13:12 -0700 Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com> said:
>
>   
>>     yep. triple damages. When doing 3D graphics we NEVER looked at 
>> patents, otherwise we couldnt build shit.
>>     
>
> oh indeed. the only way to go is plead ignorance. if it comes to court without
> a cease and desist you will very likely get off (with then just a cease and
> desist) unless they can prove you willfully infringed - i.e. - you knew about
> the patent beforehand or at any time up to and beyond actually
> shipping/distributing product. you couldn't sanely be successfully sued for
> infringing a patent you never knew about. but... if you did. woe betide ye! :)
> so as you say steve - a real life example there in a real commercial setting.
> its better to be utterly ignorant and hope for the best. it may be you infringe
> on patents and the holders just dont care, thus will not sue. :)
>
>   
>>     hehe.. dirty little secret raster.. I got two software patents 
>> (company forced me to), wanna read them?
>>     
>
> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! never! i shall poke my eyes out first and fill my ears
> with cement! :)
>
> /me heads back to his safe patent ignorance zone :)
>   
    haha.. your gunna go to some anonymous internet cafe and look it up now.




From steve at openmoko.com  Wed Jun  3 20:54:40 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:54:40 -0700
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <20090604043244.3f090722.raster@rasterman.com>
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yep.  you have to vary a whole host of test conditions.

 Subjects: those with touch screen experience: those without
 Order of presentation:
 Size of subjects finger
 How they type..for me I've always struggled between being a thumb typer and
and index finger typer.. neither works for me very well since I have big 
fingers, bad eyes,
and shakes from drinking too much coffee

on the accuracy and time  one might find that certain content (say SMS) 
might do better
with one format as opposed to another..who knows?

Could waste a whole summer doing a test like that. Long ago raster I 
actually did test
design for UIs in fighter aircraft. nasty business. fun if you get paid 
for it, but not
how i'd spend my free time. So I aint volunteering.

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:08:51 -0700 Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com> said:
>
> indeed. i believe "its not worth bothering". so i am not going to invest any
> time into trying it (to try it i'd have to build it... and that will use time)
> as my theorising says to me "it wont help". if someone else who thinks it
> really is the bees knees... then build it, try it, test it and prove it! get a
> non-biased 3rd party to go use the kbd to enter common input or a phone (emails,
> sms's, etc.) and then time over maybe 50 specific messages how long it takes to
> get a 100% accurate entry of it. of course make the test unbiased by swapping
> which kbd they use first t enter in each test (first test kbd a then b, in test
> 2, b then a etc.).
>
> if you really think this kbd (on a touchscreen) is the bees knees - prove it! :)
>
>   
>> before you test you need a good theory. that way you know what data to 
>> collect. raster has a theory why it wont be better. That's a testable 
>> theory, I think.
>>
>> Michal Brzozowski wrote:
>>     
>>> 2009/6/3 Carsten Haitzler <raster at rasterman.com>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> but u'll hit dead space (nothing) about 50% more often than the actual key
>>>> you
>>>> intended to hit now (as 50% of the area it would have normally used is now
>>>> dead
>>>> space). for a physical kbd it might help as u have better tactile feel as u
>>>> have
>>>> more edge near the finger, but for a touchscreen - all you do is lose 50%
>>>> of he
>>>> area you had before for hitting keys. (admittedly  for mis-types now where
>>>> you
>>>> would have hit another key there is less area to hit too).
>>>>
>>>> so you lose more keypresses (you lost 50% of the hit area), but you lost
>>>> mis-hit
>>>> area too.
>>>>
>>>> one way or another - you press, then quickly press next key, but then
>>>> notice
>>>> that the previous key wasn't hit - u still need to backspace and re-enter
>>>> again
>>>> (possibly missing again). you just give up 1 kind of error for another kind
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> I'm amazed how much you guys can theorize about the idea before actually
>>> trying it.
>>>
>>> Is it because of allergy to patents? I bet we could use the general idea if
>>> we wanted to, without violating the patent. Just change the shape of the
>>> keys or something.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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>> _______________________________________________
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>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>>     
>
>
>   




From laforge at gnumonks.org  Wed Jun  3 21:16:50 2009
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:16:50 +0200
Subject: Mailing list glitch?
In-Reply-To: <20090603182126.GC4625@almesberger.net>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A25AC01.6010102@frombob.to>
	<20090603182126.GC4625@almesberger.net>
Message-ID: <20090603191650.GH9823@prithivi.gnumonks.org>

On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 03:21:26PM -0300, Werner Almesberger wrote:
> Doug Jones wrote:
> > Has this bug been there all along?  Does our community's collective 
> > memory have a hole in it?
> 
> Seems that it chopped the mail at the line beginning with "From".
> Not sure where the rest ended up ...

It looks like the mailman/pipermail parser is somewhat broken and considers
every line starting with "^From " as the beginning of a new mail
(envelope-from).  This is really weird, one would expect this kind of bug in
the UUCP days of the early 1990ies but not in 2009.

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)



From laforge at gnumonks.org  Wed Jun  3 21:20:29 2009
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:20:29 +0200
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090603192029.GI9823@prithivi.gnumonks.org>

Thanks for your update, Sean!

It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in support
of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with support in
areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal side (trademarks).

I'm happy to see this transition and willing to help wherever I can.

Regards and thank you once again,
	Harald
-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)



From michael_zanetti at gmx.net  Wed Jun  3 21:30:16 2009
From: michael_zanetti at gmx.net (Michael Zanetti)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:30:16 +0200
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.20
In-Reply-To: <20090603120246.650f6922@laptop-vanek>
References: <1243250505215-2969146.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<65c86d230906030244n673a1712nf079ab3ff2fb295@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090603120246.650f6922@laptop-vanek>
Message-ID: <200906032130.16882.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>

On Wednesday 03 June 2009 12:02:46 Petr Vanek wrote:
> >In contrast to Warner I really like the scroll bar at the bottom, and
> >I find it not only nice looking, but also very easy to use with one
> >hand. The only problem I found so far is that it scrolls not only
> >horizontally but also vertically.
>
> yes, i was looking at the same scroll bar used in illume settings and
> there it doesn't scroll up and down, which might be the reason why the
> response is so funny...
>

I have also noticed that the toolbar uses resizes all entries according to the 
longest name. Perhaps it would be worth a try to rename "Uncategorized" into 
"Others" to make way to scroll shorter.

Cheers,
Michael



From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Thu Jun  4 00:37:41 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:37:41 +0100
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <4A26B7E7.7010205@kw.nl>
References: <2f3aa2770906022227i541bc502t47cb685b24c8c2b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244043643664-3019034.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A26B7E7.7010205@kw.nl>
Message-ID: <200906032337.42756.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Wednesday 03 June 2009, pike wrote:
> Hi
>
> > It's sad that this community couldn't even manage to build a decent
> > keyboard for the freerunner within one year.
>
> I did try the list of keyboards last year
> and couldnt live with them. But the current one - shipping
> with om2009 - is pretty good. Even with fingers.
> So, there's been progress..
>
> What keyboard is it anyway ? Is it listed here
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate ?

It's the Illume one.



From pike-openmoko at kw.nl  Thu Jun  4 02:06:50 2009
From: pike-openmoko at kw.nl (pike)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 02:06:50 +0200
Subject: a new keyboard - discuss and critique
In-Reply-To: <200906032337.42756.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <2f3aa2770906022227i541bc502t47cb685b24c8c2b2@mail.gmail.com>	<1244043643664-3019034.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4A26B7E7.7010205@kw.nl>
	<200906032337.42756.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A27101A.2010102@kw.nl>

Hi

 >> But the current one - shipping
 >> with om2009 - is pretty good.
..
>> What keyboard is it anyway ? Is it listed here
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate ?
> 
> It's the Illume one.

It's Rasters ? Good job. It works.

thanks,
*-pike











From cchandel at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  4 05:39:57 2009
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:39:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.20
In-Reply-To: <65c86d230906030244n673a1712nf079ab3ff2fb295@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1243250505215-2969146.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<200905252208.48218.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<1243302658564-2972512.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<200905270938.17242.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<1243432013254-2981136.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1243434162301-2981391.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<d3e504410905270814w661bf65bgdf7b2b55959ae3b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00905271009u4102f924te1c91199198443fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1243491593948-2985771.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00906020733j1d230f9n9699f8293727cf1a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244007049734-3016483.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<65c86d230906030244n673a1712nf079ab3ff2fb295@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1244086797401-3022613.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,

OpenMitko wrote:
> 
>>The only problem I found so far is that it scrolls not only horizontally
but also
>>vertically.
> 
 Can't seem to change that from 'C'. Any ideas elementary gurus ?

Warren Baird-2 wrote:
> 
>>Makes sense - I'll try to come up with a few in the next couple of days. I
guess 
>>drop 'em in a directory like /usr/share/wallpapers? then you can make that
the
>>default folder to browse in your prefs UI?
> 
 Yes. That should be fine. I'll use /usr/share/wallpapers as the default
directory in the prefs UI.

Warren Baird-2 wrote:
> 
>>For the category picker - how much work would it be to maintain both modes
and let the user pick in >the prefs?
> 
 Not sure. I guess the initial work will be a bit. Thereafter, hopefully, no
constant changes should be required to that part. I'll start work and see
how far I can take it.

Warren Baird-2 wrote:
> 
>>I don't see how to add or remove categories from there - I was able to
assign apps to certain >categories, but not edit the list of categories.
> 
 Missed that. The new version should resolve the regression.

Michael Zanetti wrote:
> 
>>The toolbar in illume's settings is easier to use because it doesn't
scroll vertically.
> 
 I know. But I don't know how to stop that.

Michael Zanetti wrote:
> 
>>I've noticed this in other apps too. All lists scoll slower if the
>>smooth-bounce-back-at-end feature is enabled.
> 
 Can't seem to stop that either. Hmmm. Help Needed!

Michael Zanetti wrote:
> 
>>I have also noticed that the toolbar uses resizes all entries according to
the
>>longest name.
> 
 Thanks for the tip. All names are shorter now.

  New version.  http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3022613/launcher_0.21_arm.ipk
launcher_0.21_arm.ipk 

 * scroller for icons if more than 3 rows
 * center icons if there are 2 in a row
 * (re) added edit categories in the toolbar
 * larger icons for missed calls and sms's

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From cchandel at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  4 05:51:34 2009
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:51:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.21
In-Reply-To: <1244086797401-3022613.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1243250505215-2969146.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<200905252208.48218.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<1243302658564-2972512.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<200905270938.17242.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<1243432013254-2981136.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1243434162301-2981391.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<d3e504410905270814w661bf65bgdf7b2b55959ae3b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00905271009u4102f924te1c91199198443fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1243491593948-2985771.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00906020733j1d230f9n9699f8293727cf1a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244007049734-3016483.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<65c86d230906030244n673a1712nf079ab3ff2fb295@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244086797401-3022613.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1244087494853-3022644.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,
  Just a thought. Isn't the drop down list easy enough to use with a single
hand? I can manage that.
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From werner at openmoko.org  Thu Jun  4 06:55:09 2009
From: werner at openmoko.org (Werner Almesberger)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 01:55:09 -0300
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <4A247217.3060800@roguewrt.org>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin>
	<4A247217.3060800@roguewrt.org>
Message-ID: <20090604045509.GE4625@almesberger.net>

roguemoko at roguewrt.org wrote:
> I booted from flash and SD card for quite some time.

I think it's best to consider Qi as an SD-centric solution and to
plan migrating towards SD.

NAND support is only there because of the GTA01/GTA02 legacy and it
has limitations compared to SD. While technically possible to bring
NAND support in Qi on par with SD, I think it would just make things
more complicated and lure people into using NAND whereas SD is the
future.

In the GTA03 design, we would not have used NAND for anything but
storing Qi and read-only factory data. Likewise, for gta02-core, I
wouldn't consider using u-boot.

- Werner



From jeremy.mcnaughton at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 08:23:20 2009
From: jeremy.mcnaughton at gmail.com (Jeremy McNaughton)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 02:23:20 -0400
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <20090603192029.GI9823@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090603192029.GI9823@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <7e03858b0906032323t6b034c62s7d7b9b93e8dfef25@mail.gmail.com>

Layoffs are always sad, and never an easy decision to make.  To those
who are leaving the company, thanks for the great work.  I wish the
best for your future endeavours and hope that you are able to remain
in the community in some way.

I know I haven't really contributed much to the project.  I'm not much
of a programmer and only have time to poke around on the phone every
other weekend or so.  Still, I've read almost every thread on the
mailing list and have learned a great deal.

I do have a fair bit of experience doing media relations for local
grassroots organizations and non-profits.  My experience isn't with
software or technology, it's with anti-poverty activism and social
service work.  Nonetheless, I have some feedback based on some
non-tech community organizing to share.

Handing development of the Freerunner over to the community is a big
deal.  There is a lot of opportunity here to get good press for both
Openmoko Inc. and the community.

The way I see it, giving the phone to the community is every bit as
radical as launching an open source phone was in the first place.  The
Openmoko community is now coordinating development of an updated
Freerunner (using Free software), there are multiple distros, lots of
apps, multiple phone gui apps.  Not only that, but the mailing lists
are far from stagnant, and outside of openmoko.org, other parts of the
broader Openmoko community have their own mailing lists, wikis and
tracs.

The key point here is that Openmoko succeeded in building a community
around its product.  This is no easy task.  Companies and
organizations with more resources behind them have tried this and not
succeeded nearly as well as Openmoko has.  For this the company should
be commended.  There's definitely a newsworthy story here as well.

Naysayers might look at Openmoko handing responsibility for the
Freerunner to the community as a death knell for the project, or proof
that an open source phone can't work.  Instead, it seems the
Freerunner is transitioning from a phone that was designed in house
and then open sourced, to a phone for which the hardware itself is
designed by an open source community.  That's huge!

There's a big difference between how the Freerunner was developed and
how the gta02-core is being developed, and that means that once again
Openmoko is breaking new ground.

It may be a little early to bring this message to the media.  It
probably makes sense to let the community have a chance to formalize a
bit, develop some structure.  A Openmoko Foundation maybe?

Anyways, once the dust settles maybe Openmoko could make a big
announcement about how the thriving community is in the process of
taking over development of the phone.  It could be a chance for
Openmoko to get some good press for being innovative and altruistic.
It could also be a huge boon for the community, as it raises awareness
about the work being done and reaches out to potential new members.
Not to mention reminding people of all the incredible work that has
been done with these phones so far.

Openmoko is a success story.  Despite all the frustrations and delays,
a new community that develops open source phone technology has been
created.  In the FLOSS podcast interview a few weeks ago (I think)
Sean spoke about how the Openmoko has reduced a lot of barriers to
phone development, potentially allowing the kind of garage workshop
innovations that led companies like Hewlett Packard or Apple.
Facilitating the community and that kind of development just lowered
one more barrier.


Well, that's my 2 cents.


Jeremy McNaughton


On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org> wrote:
> Thanks for your update, Sean!
>
> It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in support
> of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with support in
> areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal side (trademarks).
>
> I'm happy to see this transition and willing to help wherever I can.
>
> Regards and thank you once again,
> ? ? ? ?Harald
> --
> - Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org> ? ? ? ? ? http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
> ============================================================================
> "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?(ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
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>



From anthropophagite at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 08:51:19 2009
From: anthropophagite at gmail.com (Evgeniy Karyakin)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:51:19 +0400
Subject: sending SMS from paroli's People list (OM2009T4)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0905262016160.3396@risby.home.teaparty.net>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0905262016160.3396@risby.home.teaparty.net>
Message-ID: <867b5c700906032351y5b780ed3h46181c725537af1a@mail.gmail.com>

> i just stumbled across the way to send an SMS to a particular contact. ?in
> the people screen, slide the contact name to the right, a "Msg" button
> appears, which you can press to start composing an SMS.
>
> i'm sure i'm not the first person to find this, but i couldn't find any
> references on the list after a cursory search, so i thought i'd mention
> it. ?i know people have asked about this in the past. ?i also put a note
> in the wiki.

   Feels like an Easter egg, yay!



From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 08:55:58 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 08:55:58 +0200
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <20090604045509.GE4625@almesberger.net>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp> 
	<op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin> <4A247217.3060800@roguewrt.org> 
	<20090604045509.GE4625@almesberger.net>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc80906032355q74a2942bs17890e5cd85ec67f@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Werner Almesberger <werner at openmoko.org> wrote:
> NAND support is only there because of the GTA01/GTA02 legacy and it
> has limitations compared to SD. While technically possible to bring
> NAND support in Qi on par with SD, I think it would just make things
> more complicated and lure people into using NAND whereas SD is the
> future.
>
> In the GTA03 design, we would not have used NAND for anything but
> storing Qi and read-only factory data. Likewise, for gta02-core, I
> wouldn't consider using u-boot.

Hi!

I use the distribution on NAND as an SD card reader. I load the OS,
connect to my laptop,
and I write the new distro to the uSD card. It is impossible to do it
on the same
SD card, from where the OS is running. You cant simply repartition the uSD card.

For me the NAND partition is a perfectly usable *backup/emergency* OS.

Furthermore, I used recently TangoGPS, and it broke the filesystem where the
maps were located. It broked every time when the phone runned out of battery.
Quick summary:
vfat broken -> couldnt recover
ext2 broken -> couldnt recover
ext3 broken -> I could recover, but lost many files

Luckely (thinking about any possibility before traveling),
I had an OSM.tar file on the NAND with my backup OS, and I could
reformat the SD card thousands kilometer away from my home without any
computer or internet access. And I needed a map, because tangogps was
all what I had.;)

For me NAND is a musthave. I dont care about speed, or size. It is perfectly
acceptable in *emergency* situation.

I see only one alternativ: two uSD card slot.

I think I made a fair point, so please save an emergency path. Relying only on
uSD always require some third tool to recover. (eg: laptop with uSD card reader)

Best regards,
 Laszlo



From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 09:03:09 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:03:09 +0200
Subject: sending SMS from paroli's People list (OM2009T4)
In-Reply-To: <867b5c700906032351y5b780ed3h46181c725537af1a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0905262016160.3396@risby.home.teaparty.net> 
	<867b5c700906032351y5b780ed3h46181c725537af1a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc80906040003t22770bdjede13fb05717cc61@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Evgeniy Karyakin
<anthropophagite at gmail.com> wrote:
>> i just stumbled across the way to send an SMS to a particular contact. ?in
>> the people screen, slide the contact name to the right, a "Msg" button
>> appears, which you can press to start composing an SMS.
>>
>> i'm sure i'm not the first person to find this, but i couldn't find any
>> references on the list after a cursory search, so i thought i'd mention
>> it. ?i know people have asked about this in the past. ?i also put a note
>> in the wiki.
>
> ? Feels like an Easter egg, yay!
>

The current image (not sure about the old one), if you slide a received SMS,
there is a "RE:" button appering just like "Msg", and you can reply to
that SMS easily.

And the current image also fixed the horizontal sliding too.
(in people and message list)

Using this feature is really fun and easy.

Watch paroli, because it is developing faster then you might believe!

There is an another incredibly handy feature in people, what I dont
even dare to talk about. I think it deserves a new testing release with a
proper announcement. But if you are impatient, the newest images
are always here:
http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/NeoFreerunner/

Best regards,
 Laszlo



From fercerpav at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 09:34:10 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:34:10 +0400
Subject: [neovento-5.6] Modifying the keyboard
In-Reply-To: <1244038987921-3018566.post@n2.nabble.com> (spaaam@ymail.com's
	message of "Wed\, 3 Jun 2009 07\:23\:07 -0700 \(PDT\)")
References: <8e354bdf0906030630i4670907bs92c83aa892bb81cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244038987921-3018566.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <m2vdncihal.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

"neovento at freerunner" <spaaam at ymail.com> writes:
> Maybe someone knows the answer how to use different layouts on the mbk.

OE has several patches that allow to use a virtual key to switch
layouts on the fly without reloading the keyboard. There's a wishlist
report here [1] which includes a link to patches that can be easily
incorporated in your build:

[1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=508004

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From martin.jansa at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 09:56:36 2009
From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:56:36 +0200
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc80906032355q74a2942bs17890e5cd85ec67f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin>
	<4A247217.3060800@roguewrt.org>
	<20090604045509.GE4625@almesberger.net>
	<c4cd0cc80906032355q74a2942bs17890e5cd85ec67f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090604075636.GF4330@jama>

On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 08:55:58AM +0200, Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I use the distribution on NAND as an SD card reader. I load the OS,
> connect to my laptop,
> and I write the new distro to the uSD card. It is impossible to do it
> on the same
> SD card, from where the OS is running. You cant simply repartition the uSD card.

Hi!

It would be really nice to have uSD slot accessible without removing
back-cover, battery and SIM.

Its easy to reformat or repair system on SD cart with laptop or PC.. but
I always feel bad when I have to remove back-cover. How long can that
plastic fixtures hold back-cover tight and reliably?

I read somewhere that no change in slot is planned for gta02-core.. :/
so maybe for gta03..

-- 
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From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 10:36:20 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:36:20 +0200
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <20090604075636.GF4330@jama>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp> 
	<op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin> <4A247217.3060800@roguewrt.org> 
	<20090604045509.GE4625@almesberger.net>
	<c4cd0cc80906032355q74a2942bs17890e5cd85ec67f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20090604075636.GF4330@jama>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc80906040136w5d712145p294e11e20735809f@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Martin Jansa <martin.jansa at gmail.com> wrote:
> Its easy to reformat or repair system on SD cart with laptop or PC..

I dont have uSD card reader on my laptop. And I bought it 3 months ago.
My previous laptop had SD card reader, but never worked with linux.
(I would need an adapter anyway for it, one more thing to carry and
losing)

Dont like the idea of having a third tool just for using my phone.
Other phones requires third tool, when you unlock them;-P

And removing the black cover every time is clearly a no-go.
Its a valid point.

So this is two valid point now. But even if the sd card would
be easier to remove, the backup (upgradable) OS is
required in any way.

Dont want to carry an additional computer+ card reader for
my phone;-|

Laszlo



From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Thu Jun  4 10:39:49 2009
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:39:49 +0200
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <20090604045509.GE4625@almesberger.net>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin>
	<4A247217.3060800@roguewrt.org> <20090604045509.GE4625@almesberger.net>
Message-ID: <op.uuzrontu41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>

> more complicated and lure people into using NAND whereas SD is the
> future.
>
> In the GTA03 design, we would not have used NAND for anything but
> storing Qi and read-only factory data. Likewise, for gta02-core, I
> wouldn't consider using u-boot.


my experience is, that nand is far more reliable and robust than sd (which  
had recurring issues of data loss).
thus i have the crucial data in nand (ie minimal necessary system -- /bin,  
/sbin, ...).
additionally i lived under the impression that nand was faster.

of course, both date from a few months ago, when i decided to to not run  
my entire system from sd any longer.

with my holidays ahaed and thus some time to play around:

- what reasons make you say, sd is the future?
- what reasons, except the impossibility to replace the nand when it is  
worn out by to many write operations, led to the decision to use nand  
read-only?



From riso at om.ksp.sk  Thu Jun  4 10:46:28 2009
From: riso at om.ksp.sk (Richard Kralovic)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:46:28 +0200
Subject: illume keyboard force on/off
In-Reply-To: <20090603182746.7bc67dd3@laptop-vanek>
References: <20090603182746.7bc67dd3@laptop-vanek>
Message-ID: <4A2789E4.4060608@om.ksp.sk>

Hello,

> it doesn't remember i have made it show once i switch windows and this
> gets really annoying. is there a way for it to remember it's state for
> a window?

I do not know how hard is it to add this feature into illume, but maybe
a useful workaround is to modify the illume theme to have the keyboard
toggle button directly accessible? Then you can (de)activate keyboard
with one click at any time. (I have done that and am quite happy about
it; it's quite hackish, but you can see the sources at
http://kedrigern.dcs.fmph.uniba.sk/~riso/e-wm-theme-illume-a.tar.gz
)

Greets
	Richard

> 
> imagine a typical situation - retyping from one window to another:
> 
> open terminal, reach up, get keyboard, type
> open web browser, reach up, get keyboard, type
> read up some stuff
> switch back to terminal - keyboard is off, go up, get keyboard, type
> switch to browser, read up some more
> switch back to terminal - keyboard is off, go up, get keyboard, type
> 
> thanks for any hints...
> 
> Petr
> 
> 
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From perezdiez at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 10:47:19 2009
From: perezdiez at gmail.com (Jose Luis Perez Diez)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:47:19 +0200
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <20090604075636.GF4330@jama>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<c4cd0cc80906032355q74a2942bs17890e5cd85ec67f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090604075636.GF4330@jama>
Message-ID: <200906041047.19888.perezdiez@gmail.com>

El Thursday, 4 de June de 2009 09:56:36 Martin Jansa va escriure:
> Its easy to reformat or repair system on SD cart with laptop or PC.. but
> I always feel bad when I have to remove back-cover. How long can that
> plastic fixtures hold back-cover tight and reliably?

I have done it at least 600 times until now on my 1973 and I don't notice any 
losening.



From robin.paulson at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 11:43:52 2009
From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:43:52 +1200
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <200906041047.19888.perezdiez@gmail.com>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<c4cd0cc80906032355q74a2942bs17890e5cd85ec67f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090604075636.GF4330@jama> <200906041047.19888.perezdiez@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2f3aa2770906040243kec48414x3f357e0f82e012@mail.gmail.com>

2009/6/4 Jose Luis Perez Diez <perezdiez at gmail.com>:
> El Thursday, 4 de June de 2009 09:56:36 Martin Jansa va escriure:
>> Its easy to reformat or repair system on SD cart with laptop or PC.. but
>> I always feel bad when I have to remove back-cover. How long can that
>> plastic fixtures hold back-cover tight and reliably?
>
> I have done it at least 600 times until now on my 1973 and I don't notice any
> losening.

i noticed mine got looser within about ten times of opening it. at
first it was a real pain to do - it needed a screwdriver, or similar.
now i can do it with my finger nail very easily. thankfully it's not
getting slacker though (i think)



From paultt at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 12:13:14 2009
From: paultt at gmail.com (PaulTT)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:13:14 +0200
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42eed4b90906040313u642ad050k4d014747a8124699@mail.gmail.com>

WOW



From cchandel at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  4 12:35:07 2009
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 03:35:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: NEW e-tasks (Alpha) release 0.21
In-Reply-To: <1243009930760-2958418.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1241012057290-2740524.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1241055854589-2744591.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<B6D8AD69-1E12-48BF-BEDB-999A2992D180@baumann.name>
	<69a2e4550904300023h3f7f95c1k2f972c1f7175d9a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<9e7398030904300057x1c50d9b5ufb54611f1edecf1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<1241081622253-2745902.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<9e7398030904300158y41872ed8n3d8c24b68b0ba69c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1241090761363-2746479.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1241145887824-2751437.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<9e7398030905010213g3f22965dg5d53ab7cf2a3c7fa@mail.gmail.com>
	<1241257990615-2761137.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1242872334249-2949930.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<40cd9ce40905210142w21037a3es7345636c5d9e5de8@mail.gmail.com>
	<1243009930760-2958418.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Hi,
  Here's the latest release. 
http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3024005/e-tasks_0.21_arm.ipk e-tasks_0.21_arm.ipk 

 Changes
 * Task text scrolls in the entry
 * Task text is selected automatically on adding new task
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From chris at csamuel.org  Thu Jun  4 13:36:22 2009
From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:36:22 +1000
Subject: [Om2009] a community effort
In-Reply-To: <m2ljocl23b.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <4A0E5F8B.1050908@openmoko.org>
	<200906011938.11883.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2ljocl23b.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <200906042136.25642.chris@csamuel.org>

On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 07:45:12 pm Paul Fertser wrote:

> Not sure if all the delays and actions are needed, it's anyway much
> faster than rebooting.

Thanks for that Paul, but for now I've gone back to QtMoko now that some of 
the more frustrating bugs have apparently been fixed.  Will keep an eye on 
what else is going on though!

cheers,
Chris
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From spaaam at ymail.com  Thu Jun  4 14:06:22 2009
From: spaaam at ymail.com (neovento@freerunner)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 05:06:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [neovento-5.6] Modifying the keyboard
In-Reply-To: <m2vdncihal.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <8e354bdf0906030630i4670907bs92c83aa892bb81cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244038987921-3018566.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<m2vdncihal.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <1244117182772-3024349.post@n2.nabble.com>


Ah, great. Thanks for that hint.

http://git.openembedded.net/ does not exist apparently. Where can I get the
patches from instead?


Paul Fertser wrote:
> 
> "neovento at freerunner" <spaaam at ymail.com> writes:
>> Maybe someone knows the answer how to use different layouts on the mbk.
> 
> OE has several patches that allow to use a virtual key to switch
> layouts on the fly without reloading the keyboard. There's a wishlist
> report here [1] which includes a link to patches that can be easily
> incorporated in your build:
> 
> [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=508004
> 
> -- 
> Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
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From werner at openmoko.org  Thu Jun  4 14:40:14 2009
From: werner at openmoko.org (Werner Almesberger)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:40:14 -0300
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc80906032355q74a2942bs17890e5cd85ec67f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin>
	<4A247217.3060800@roguewrt.org>
	<20090604045509.GE4625@almesberger.net>
	<c4cd0cc80906032355q74a2942bs17890e5cd85ec67f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090604124014.GG4625@almesberger.net>

Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> I use the distribution on NAND as an SD card reader.

Hmm, I think we have to distinguish between things you can do and
things that actually make sense here ;-)

Once you've started to fill the niches, it's always unpleasant to
change. That's one reason why it's difficult to make architectural
changes like switching from a NAND-centric approach to an SD-centric
approach once a system has been deployed.

But in a new system, features should be open to evaluation, and if
one can accomplish the same tasks in a simpler and cheaper way, that
only helps to make the product stronger.

The problem with NAND is that it's no end of hassle. You need a
complex boot loader to use if fully, you need an in-system recovery
architecture, it needs special partitioning, you have to deal with
unusual error patterns (factory-bad blocks and wear), etc.

An SD-centric design does away with all this and brings the whole
architecture much closer to what you find in a PC. I.e., the analogy
SD == disk holds true for most purposes. So you don't need to learn
a whole new set of methods and tools to perform routine tasks but
you can just handle them exactly like you'd handle a PC.

For your SD reader scenario, there are actually two solutions:

- you can just have a small system on the SD card that boots into an
  initramfs. Once the system has been loaded, you can remove the card
  and insert another one.

- USB microSD readers sell for < USD 3 and make a nice addition to the
  travel accessories bag for each laptop that doesn't have an SD slot.

> and I write the new distro to the uSD card. It is impossible to do it
> on the same
> SD card, from where the OS is running. You cant simply repartition
> the uSD card.

Why not ? Just get a big enough card and partition it before using it
the first time. The total cost of a card with several GB is likely to
be much lower than that of those few hundred MB of NAND. (It's not
only the cost of the chip per se but also how this constrains the
choice of packages, complicates sourcing, production, and all that.)

> Furthermore, I used recently TangoGPS, and it broke the filesystem where the
> maps were located. It broked every time when the phone runned out of battery.

Hmm, frequent data loss looks like a problem that needs solving anyway,
whether there is NAND or not. Does your user space attempt a shutdown
when it notices an imminent low battery condition ?

> I see only one alternativ: two uSD card slot.

That's actually an attractive feature anyway. Basically one acting
like a hard disk and the other one like a USB stick. Thinking of it,
you can actually do this already if you have a suitable cable, since
the USB port can be switched to host mode.

> I think I made a fair point, so please save an emergency path.

The design of a typical Qi system (whether NAND-free or not) should
include a partition with an small user space for the boot menu and
just this sort of recovery environment. There's no disagreement that
you need this sort of functionality, there are just better ways to
do it than to use NAND :-)

Ah, and to recover from a truly catastrophic SD failure, there's
always the option of carrying a backup card. There are also failure
modes where you're much better off with SD than with NAND. E.g., if
your device fails completely and needs to be replaced, you can't
backup your NAND if your device is broken, while you can usually
still remove your SD card and access it with another computer.

- Werner



From werner at openmoko.org  Thu Jun  4 15:00:39 2009
From: werner at openmoko.org (Werner Almesberger)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:00:39 -0300
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <op.uuzrontu41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin>
	<4A247217.3060800@roguewrt.org>
	<20090604045509.GE4625@almesberger.net>
	<op.uuzrontu41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <20090604130039.GH4625@almesberger.net>

arne anka wrote:
> - what reasons make you say, sd is the future?

The main reasons are:

- much easier handling. SD is like a disk, so you can use all the
  standard tools and get standard behaviour. NAND needs a lot of
  exceptional treatment to properly address wear and factory-bad
  blocks. I.e., you can't just pretend it's a regular disk but
  need special file systems, special tools, special partitioning,
  and all that.

- the price/performance point of SD is set at the time you buy the
  SD card while that of NAND is set when the device is designed.
  So NAND always lags behind trends in capacity growth.

- if all the data of a device is stored on SD, you have a lot more
  flexibility when moving data across systems. E.g., you could
  share a phone among people, use multiple phones with the same data,
  have completely separate work/personal or regular/travel
  environments, etc.

> - what reasons, except the impossibility to replace the nand when it is  
> worn out by to many write operations, led to the decision to use nand  
> read-only?

The complexity of recovering from catastrophic NAND corruption. With
GTA01, you needed the debug board. GTA02 has an expensive and (for
most purposes) non-upgradeable NOR chip. With no valuable changeable
state in the device, the whole issue of recovering a bricked device
disappears, since you can just use a different/externally repaired
SD.

- Werner



From vanous at penguin.cz  Thu Jun  4 15:18:09 2009
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:18:09 +0200
Subject: illume keyboard force on/off
References: <20090603182746.7bc67dd3@laptop-vanek> <4A2789E4.4060608@om.ksp.sk>
Message-ID: <20090604151809.2f5641e1@laptop-vanek>

>> it doesn't remember i have made it show once i switch windows and
>> this gets really annoying. is there a way for it to remember it's
>> state for a window?
>
>I do not know how hard is it to add this feature into illume, but maybe
>a useful workaround is to modify the illume theme to have the keyboard
>toggle button directly accessible? Then you can (de)activate keyboard
>with one click at any time. (I have done that and am quite happy about
>it; it's quite hackish, but you can see the sources at
>http://kedrigern.dcs.fmph.uniba.sk/~riso/e-wm-theme-illume-a.tar.gz

thank you for the workaround. the trouble is that showing the keyboard 
always requires time to redraw the window than needs to be resized....
if it stayed as is the response would be faster. i am surprised nobody
mentioned this much yet as in real life day to day business this is
really hard to use feature.

iirc illume can hide the keyboard altogether if usb keyboard  is
connected. this is not the case with bt keyboards (i have one and the
soft keyboard always pops up). also this means that these is a way to
force off the keyboard. elementary_remote might be the answer but i
haven't found if there is a parametr like this yet...

Petr




From cgagneraud at techworks.ie  Thu Jun  4 15:21:55 2009
From: cgagneraud at techworks.ie (Christian Gagneraud)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:21:55 +0100
Subject: Cellhunter/OpenBmap 
Message-ID: <4A27CA73.8060809@techworks.ie>

Hi all,

I'm using cellhunter since few month, with which i have gathered some 
data (1646 cells so far here in Ireland) and uploaded to their server.
I would like to give a try with OpenBmap, is there a way to convert 
data from CH to OBM and upload them to OBM server?
I know that OBM log more details than CH but i guess that CH's data 
are still usable by OBM.

Generally speaking, what people think about these two project? And of 
course the 2 billion euros/dollars question: Which one is the best?
Does the 2 projects collaborate, if not are there any plan to do so?

Chris.



From tommy.b at gmx.net  Thu Jun  4 15:22:11 2009
From: tommy.b at gmx.net (Thomas B)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:22:11 +0200
Subject: Debuzzing
In-Reply-To: <A5E128F4-F844-4FD0-9B4B-8E30422BE843@computer.org>
References: <A5E128F4-F844-4FD0-9B4B-8E30422BE843@computer.org>
Message-ID: <4A27CA83.3090608@gmx.net>

Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller schrieb:
> Dear community,
> 
> it is the philisophy of Golden Delicious Computers to find solutions  
> for important topics that the community has and can't solve alone.  
> Therefore, we (Golden Delicious Computers and TRIsoft) have worked  
> behind the scenes and are close to offer a Buzz rework solution that  
> can in principle serve all Freerunner Owners in the EU harmonized  
> market.

This is great! I have a small question: My Freerunner has a full body 
InvisibleShield applied. Should I remove it from the Freerunner before 
sending it in, or can I leave it on?

Regards,
Thomas




From yann.sladek at free.fr  Thu Jun  4 15:42:34 2009
From: yann.sladek at free.fr (yann.sladek at free.fr)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:42:34 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Unable to boot on SHR or OM2009 after installing Android Beta 7
In-Reply-To: <31881620.7641241244122824220.JavaMail.root@spooler3-g27.priv.proxad.net>
Message-ID: <22121078.7641371244122954103.JavaMail.root@spooler3-g27.priv.proxad.net>

Hi there list !

I'm facing a problem with my FreeRunner trying to install the brand new SHR unstable release or OM2009.

I formerly installed Android Beta 7 from Koolu packages but now when I'm trying to flash with another distro, flash goes well but I get stucked on boot with a koolu splashscreen and nothing else happens.

I flashed fs and kernel images on NAND (using neotool)and I tried to flash QI or Uboot with no more success, I got the OpenMoko splashscreen and then the koolu one (and got stucked on it).
When I'm trying to boot from the NOR menu using 'Boot' choice, I got messages saying that NAND is being reading and kernel is being loading and finally the stucked Koolu splashscreen.

I already had this problem before but it was solved by someone on a Bearstech party in Paris, and cannot remember how it has been done.

Regards,

Yann



From jan.public at famvlug.nl  Thu Jun  4 16:05:38 2009
From: jan.public at famvlug.nl (Jan Vlug)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:05:38 +0200
Subject: Unable to boot on SHR or OM2009 after installing Android Beta
 7
In-Reply-To: <22121078.7641371244122954103.JavaMail.root@spooler3-g27.priv.proxad.net>
References: <22121078.7641371244122954103.JavaMail.root@spooler3-g27.priv.proxad.net>
Message-ID: <4A27D4B2.3040406@famvlug.nl>

Hi Yann,

I had similar problems after that I had Android Beta 6 installed. I do
not exactly know how I solved the problem. But one of the things was
that I removed all partitions from the sd card. After that I created a
single new partition and formatted it with ext3.
Paul Fertser gave me some hints on fixing this.

One of the problems I had was that I could only boot from NOR, not from
NAND...

Another thing you might try is booting with the sd card removed.

Cheers,
Jan.

yann.sladek at free.fr wrote:
> Hi there list !
> 
> I'm facing a problem with my FreeRunner trying to install the brand new SHR unstable release or OM2009.
> 
> I formerly installed Android Beta 7 from Koolu packages but now when I'm trying to flash with another distro, flash goes well but I get stucked on boot with a koolu splashscreen and nothing else happens.
> 
> I flashed fs and kernel images on NAND (using neotool)and I tried to flash QI or Uboot with no more success, I got the OpenMoko splashscreen and then the koolu one (and got stucked on it).
> When I'm trying to boot from the NOR menu using 'Boot' choice, I got messages saying that NAND is being reading and kernel is being loading and finally the stucked Koolu splashscreen.
> 
> I already had this problem before but it was solved by someone on a Bearstech party in Paris, and cannot remember how it has been done.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Yann
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



From fercerpav at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 16:24:03 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:24:03 +0400
Subject: [neovento-5.6] Modifying the keyboard
In-Reply-To: <1244117182772-3024349.post@n2.nabble.com> (spaaam@ymail.com's
	message of "Thu\, 4 Jun 2009 05\:06\:22 -0700 \(PDT\)")
References: <8e354bdf0906030630i4670907bs92c83aa892bb81cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244038987921-3018566.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<m2vdncihal.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<1244117182772-3024349.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <m2my8ohybg.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

"neovento at freerunner" <spaaam at ymail.com> writes:
> Ah, great. Thanks for that hint.
>
> http://git.openembedded.net/ does not exist apparently. Where can I get the
> patches from instead?

Sorry, probably i mistyped it when i entered the bugreport, it's
there:

http://cgit.openembedded.org/

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mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com



From fercerpav at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 16:31:23 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:31:23 +0400
Subject: illume keyboard force on/off
In-Reply-To: <20090604151809.2f5641e1@laptop-vanek> (Petr Vanek's message of
	"Thu\, 4 Jun 2009 15\:18\:09 +0200")
References: <20090603182746.7bc67dd3@laptop-vanek>
	<4A2789E4.4060608@om.ksp.sk> <20090604151809.2f5641e1@laptop-vanek>
Message-ID: <m2iqjchxz8.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

Petr Vanek <vanous at penguin.cz> writes:
>>> it doesn't remember i have made it show once i switch windows and
>>> this gets really annoying. is there a way for it to remember it's
>>> state for a window?
>>
>>I do not know how hard is it to add this feature into illume, but maybe
>>a useful workaround is to modify the illume theme to have the keyboard
>>toggle button directly accessible? Then you can (de)activate keyboard
>>with one click at any time. (I have done that and am quite happy about
>>it; it's quite hackish, but you can see the sources at
>>http://kedrigern.dcs.fmph.uniba.sk/~riso/e-wm-theme-illume-a.tar.gz
>
> iirc illume can hide the keyboard altogether if usb keyboard  is
> connected. this is not the case with bt keyboards (i have one and the
> soft keyboard always pops up).

Probably if you install "hal" e will "feel" that bt keyboard is
present. At least it was planned something like that. If unsure,
either install HAL or read E's source. :)

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From yann.sladek at free.fr  Thu Jun  4 17:02:26 2009
From: yann.sladek at free.fr (yann.sladek at free.fr)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:02:26 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Unable to boot on SHR or OM2009 after installing Android Beta 7
In-Reply-To: <25146806.7654591244127201797.JavaMail.root@spooler3-g27.priv.proxad.net>
Message-ID: <6680575.7656401244127746577.JavaMail.root@spooler3-g27.priv.proxad.net>

Hi Jan,

the thing is that images were located on sd card but then after booting on it, Android was installed on NAND.
So, the fact that I removed Sd card or not doesn't change anything (I tried and no changes)
For me, SHR is installed on NAND, so it's located on internal flash and that's it

Regards,

Yann


----- Mail Original -----
De: "Jan Vlug" <jan.public at famvlug.nl>
?: "List for Openmoko community discussion" <community at lists.openmoko.org>
Envoy?: Jeudi 4 Juin 2009 16:05:38 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne
Objet: Re: Unable to boot on SHR or OM2009 after installing Android Beta 7

Hi Yann,

I had similar problems after that I had Android Beta 6 installed. I do
not exactly know how I solved the problem. But one of the things was
that I removed all partitions from the sd card. After that I created a
single new partition and formatted it with ext3.
Paul Fertser gave me some hints on fixing this.

One of the problems I had was that I could only boot from NOR, not from
NAND...

Another thing you might try is booting with the sd card removed.

Cheers,
Jan.

yann.sladek at free.fr wrote:
> Hi there list !
> 
> I'm facing a problem with my FreeRunner trying to install the brand new SHR unstable release or OM2009.
> 
> I formerly installed Android Beta 7 from Koolu packages but now when I'm trying to flash with another distro, flash goes well but I get stucked on boot with a koolu splashscreen and nothing else happens.
> 
> I flashed fs and kernel images on NAND (using neotool)and I tried to flash QI or Uboot with no more success, I got the OpenMoko splashscreen and then the koolu one (and got stucked on it).
> When I'm trying to boot from the NOR menu using 'Boot' choice, I got messages saying that NAND is being reading and kernel is being loading and finally the stucked Koolu splashscreen.
> 
> I already had this problem before but it was solved by someone on a Bearstech party in Paris, and cannot remember how it has been done.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Yann
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

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From yann.sladek at free.fr  Thu Jun  4 17:02:26 2009
From: yann.sladek at free.fr (yann.sladek at free.fr)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:02:26 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Unable to boot on SHR or OM2009 after installing Android Beta 7
In-Reply-To: <25146806.7654591244127201797.JavaMail.root@spooler3-g27.priv.proxad.net>
Message-ID: <1660121.7656411244127746605.JavaMail.root@spooler3-g27.priv.proxad.net>

Hi Jan,

the thing is that images were located on sd card but then after booting on it, Android was installed on NAND.
So, the fact that I removed Sd card or not doesn't change anything (I tried and no changes)
For me, SHR is installed on NAND, so it's located on internal flash and that's it

Regards,

Yann


----- Mail Original -----
De: "Jan Vlug" <jan.public at famvlug.nl>
?: "List for Openmoko community discussion" <community at lists.openmoko.org>
Envoy?: Jeudi 4 Juin 2009 16:05:38 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne
Objet: Re: Unable to boot on SHR or OM2009 after installing Android Beta 7

Hi Yann,

I had similar problems after that I had Android Beta 6 installed. I do
not exactly know how I solved the problem. But one of the things was
that I removed all partitions from the sd card. After that I created a
single new partition and formatted it with ext3.
Paul Fertser gave me some hints on fixing this.

One of the problems I had was that I could only boot from NOR, not from
NAND...

Another thing you might try is booting with the sd card removed.

Cheers,
Jan.

yann.sladek at free.fr wrote:
> Hi there list !
> 
> I'm facing a problem with my FreeRunner trying to install the brand new SHR unstable release or OM2009.
> 
> I formerly installed Android Beta 7 from Koolu packages but now when I'm trying to flash with another distro, flash goes well but I get stucked on boot with a koolu splashscreen and nothing else happens.
> 
> I flashed fs and kernel images on NAND (using neotool)and I tried to flash QI or Uboot with no more success, I got the OpenMoko splashscreen and then the koolu one (and got stucked on it).
> When I'm trying to boot from the NOR menu using 'Boot' choice, I got messages saying that NAND is being reading and kernel is being loading and finally the stucked Koolu splashscreen.
> 
> I already had this problem before but it was solved by someone on a Bearstech party in Paris, and cannot remember how it has been done.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Yann
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

_______________________________________________
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From list-openmoko at omoco.de  Thu Jun  4 17:42:46 2009
From: list-openmoko at omoco.de (Sebastian Hammerl)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:42:46 +0200
Subject: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
In-Reply-To: <4A27CA73.8060809@techworks.ie>
References: <4A27CA73.8060809@techworks.ie>
Message-ID: <4A27EB76.7060907@omoco.de>

Hi,

about the conversion I cannot help you because I don't know the openbmap
format.

I talked with the openbmap owner about collaborating and got to the
result that it will only happen in the way that openbmap can use the
cellhunter data. I will not combine these two databases. There are some
mails here around with reasons for that.

But cellhunter will cooperate with opencellid.org which is as far as I
know the largest open cellid database. And my opinion is that everyone
should submit the data via cellhunter or something else to this database
so there is one global one. Only with a good cover all over the world
this data gets usefull.

I just saw that openbmaps imports the opencellid data so there will be
the cellhunter data in in future.

Greetings, Sebastian
(CellHunter developer)

Christian Gagneraud schrieb:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm using cellhunter since few month, with which i have gathered some 
> data (1646 cells so far here in Ireland) and uploaded to their server.
> I would like to give a try with OpenBmap, is there a way to convert 
> data from CH to OBM and upload them to OBM server?
> I know that OBM log more details than CH but i guess that CH's data 
> are still usable by OBM.
>
> Generally speaking, what people think about these two project? And of 
> course the 2 billion euros/dollars question: Which one is the best?
> Does the 2 projects collaborate, if not are there any plan to do so?
>
> Chris.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>   



From riso at om.ksp.sk  Thu Jun  4 18:19:27 2009
From: riso at om.ksp.sk (Richard Kralovic)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:19:27 +0200
Subject: illume keyboard force on/off
In-Reply-To: <20090604151809.2f5641e1@laptop-vanek>
References: <20090603182746.7bc67dd3@laptop-vanek> <4A2789E4.4060608@om.ksp.sk>
	<20090604151809.2f5641e1@laptop-vanek>
Message-ID: <4A27F40F.2070101@om.ksp.sk>

> thank you for the workaround. the trouble is that showing the keyboard 
> always requires time to redraw the window than needs to be resized....
> if it stayed as is the response would be faster. i am surprised nobody

This is one of the benefits of using transparent keyboard :-). Although
the transparency itself is not very fast, there is no need to resize the
application window when displaying/hiding the keyboard, so the overall
responsiveness is much better imho.

I implemented the transparency for qwo (and it was discussed quite a lot
here). Afaik nobody made it usable for the illume keyboard so far, but
it shouldn't be hard to do it...

Greets
	Richard




From spaaam at ymail.com  Thu Jun  4 18:42:44 2009
From: spaaam at ymail.com (neovento@freerunner)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:42:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [neovento-5.6] Modifying the keyboard
In-Reply-To: <m2my8ohybg.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <8e354bdf0906030630i4670907bs92c83aa892bb81cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244038987921-3018566.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<m2vdncihal.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<1244117182772-3024349.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<m2my8ohybg.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <1244133764913-3025775.post@n2.nabble.com>


ok thanks, found it:

http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/matchbox-keyboard/files



Paul Fertser wrote:
> 
> "neovento at freerunner" <spaaam at ymail.com> writes:
>> Ah, great. Thanks for that hint.
>>
>> http://git.openembedded.net/ does not exist apparently. Where can I get
>> the
>> patches from instead?
> 
> Sorry, probably i mistyped it when i entered the bugreport, it's
> there:
> 
> http://cgit.openembedded.org/
> 
> -- 
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> 
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From risto at kurppa.fi  Thu Jun  4 19:28:19 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:28:19 +0300
Subject: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
In-Reply-To: <4A27EB76.7060907@omoco.de>
References: <4A27CA73.8060809@techworks.ie> <4A27EB76.7060907@omoco.de>
Message-ID: <d3e504410906041028j36e296fek4917c04429f21738@mail.gmail.com>

At some stage I heard that Openbmap would save more information
compared to opencellid.

I don't know where's the problem but I really can't see why there has
to be three databases for the same stuff - I'd guess it's just because
of selfish people not willing to share and let others contribute or
modify their way of working to suit the others. Too bad..


r



From dehqan65 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 19:41:50 2009
From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (a dehqan)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:11:50 +0430
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
Message-ID: <267bb6670906041041r4315440cw2948382178e4e73e@mail.gmail.com>

In The Name of God

I'll be so thankfull if you guide ;
1-Is openmoko firmware protected and should be hacked like motorola phones
to read mpkg files ?

2-Does android work completely on neo 1973 ?how about qtopia ?

3-where can neo 1973 be found to buy while it has been sold out ?in europe
or in asia ?and what is it's price ?

4-Can we have android,qtopia,debian beside each other on openmoko phones ?

Regards dehqan
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From digitalpioneer at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 19:52:07 2009
From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:52:07 -0500
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In-Reply-To: <267bb6670906041041r4315440cw2948382178e4e73e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6670906041041r4315440cw2948382178e4e73e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ffce06340906041052t3092498eo88dedceeb6cbda4f@mail.gmail.com>

1. OM phones and their software are completely open source, so they can be
hacked but not like motorolas. You can edit the source codes and complie as
you see fit.

2. Android doesn't work completely; Qt Extended Improved as I believe it's
called now works about as well as anything else AFAIK. I don't use it, so
I'm not sure.

3. The Neo 1973 is old, and I don't know of any retailers carrying it. Now
we use the Freerunner. Retailers for it can be found at openmoko.com

4. The phone can be dualbooted, but you're going to need a large enough
microSD card to hold all the distros.


AFAIK, that's all true, but I've been wrong before. ;)
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From steve at openmoko.com  Thu Jun  4 09:57:10 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:57:10 -0700
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <7e03858b0906032323t6b034c62s7d7b9b93e8dfef25@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>	<20090603192029.GI9823@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<7e03858b0906032323t6b034c62s7d7b9b93e8dfef25@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A277E56.6030907@openmoko.com>

  Thanks Jeremy for your kind words. I've copied pat meier Johnson our
PR person on the thread. Like you we believe there is a great positive 
story here. In addition, I've copied some of the key people in the
Openmoko community to get their reaction to your ideas

Jeremy McNaughton wrote:
> Layoffs are always sad, and never an easy decision to make.  To those
> who are leaving the company, thanks for the great work.  I wish the
> best for your future endeavours and hope that you are able to remain
> in the community in some way.
> 
> I know I haven't really contributed much to the project.  I'm not much
> of a programmer and only have time to poke around on the phone every
> other weekend or so.  Still, I've read almost every thread on the
> mailing list and have learned a great deal.
> 
> I do have a fair bit of experience doing media relations for local
> grassroots organizations and non-profits.  My experience isn't with
> software or technology, it's with anti-poverty activism and social
> service work.  Nonetheless, I have some feedback based on some
> non-tech community organizing to share.
> 
> Handing development of the Freerunner over to the community is a big
> deal.  There is a lot of opportunity here to get good press for both
> Openmoko Inc. and the community.
> 
> The way I see it, giving the phone to the community is every bit as
> radical as launching an open source phone was in the first place.  The
> Openmoko community is now coordinating development of an updated
> Freerunner (using Free software), there are multiple distros, lots of
> apps, multiple phone gui apps.  Not only that, but the mailing lists
> are far from stagnant, and outside of openmoko.org, other parts of the
> broader Openmoko community have their own mailing lists, wikis and
> tracs.
> 
> The key point here is that Openmoko succeeded in building a community
> around its product.  This is no easy task.  Companies and
> organizations with more resources behind them have tried this and not
> succeeded nearly as well as Openmoko has.  For this the company should
> be commended.  There's definitely a newsworthy story here as well.
> 
> Naysayers might look at Openmoko handing responsibility for the
> Freerunner to the community as a death knell for the project, or proof
> that an open source phone can't work.  Instead, it seems the
> Freerunner is transitioning from a phone that was designed in house
> and then open sourced, to a phone for which the hardware itself is
> designed by an open source community.  That's huge!
> 
> There's a big difference between how the Freerunner was developed and
> how the gta02-core is being developed, and that means that once again
> Openmoko is breaking new ground.
> 
> It may be a little early to bring this message to the media.  It
> probably makes sense to let the community have a chance to formalize a
> bit, develop some structure.  A Openmoko Foundation maybe?
> 
> Anyways, once the dust settles maybe Openmoko could make a big
> announcement about how the thriving community is in the process of
> taking over development of the phone.  It could be a chance for
> Openmoko to get some good press for being innovative and altruistic.
> It could also be a huge boon for the community, as it raises awareness
> about the work being done and reaches out to potential new members.
> Not to mention reminding people of all the incredible work that has
> been done with these phones so far.
> 
> Openmoko is a success story.  Despite all the frustrations and delays,
> a new community that develops open source phone technology has been
> created.  In the FLOSS podcast interview a few weeks ago (I think)
> Sean spoke about how the Openmoko has reduced a lot of barriers to
> phone development, potentially allowing the kind of garage workshop
> innovations that led companies like Hewlett Packard or Apple.
> Facilitating the community and that kind of development just lowered
> one more barrier.
> 
> 
> Well, that's my 2 cents.
> 
> 
> Jeremy McNaughton
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org> wrote:
>> Thanks for your update, Sean!
>>
>> It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in support
>> of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with support in
>> areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal side (trademarks).
>>
>> I'm happy to see this transition and willing to help wherever I can.
>>
>> Regards and thank you once again,
>>        Harald
>> --
>> - Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
>> ============================================================================
>> "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
>>                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)
>>
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From cgagneraud at techworks.ie  Thu Jun  4 19:59:01 2009
From: cgagneraud at techworks.ie (Christian Gagneraud)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:59:01 +0100
Subject: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
In-Reply-To: <4A27EB76.7060907@omoco.de>
References: <4A27CA73.8060809@techworks.ie> <4A27EB76.7060907@omoco.de>
Message-ID: <4A280B65.2030201@techworks.ie>

Sebastian Hammerl wrote:
> Hi,
> 

Hi Sebastian,

> about the conversion I cannot help you because I don't know the openbmap
> format.
> 
> I talked with the openbmap owner about collaborating and got to the
> result that it will only happen in the way that openbmap can use the
> cellhunter data. I will not combine these two databases. There are some
> mails here around with reasons for that.

Yes, i've read about this, and i think that it's worth logging too 
much data than not enough...

> 
> But cellhunter will cooperate with opencellid.org which is as far as I
> know the largest open cellid database. And my opinion is that everyone
> should submit the data via cellhunter or something else to this database
> so there is one global one. Only with a good cover all over the world
> this data gets usefull.

I've looked at opencellid.org website, and couldn't find any 
information concerning the database, how can a user access the data 
for example...

> 
> I just saw that openbmaps imports the opencellid data so there will be
> the cellhunter data in in future.

That's a good point, but for example, yesterday evening i've uploaded 
lot of data (about 5 hours sampling every 10 seconds, while moving by 
boat along the coast), and now i would like to reuse these data, 
exploit them, plot them, ... with existing web application or by 
writing my own tool, the API offered by cellhunter doesn't really fit 
my needs that's why i want to have a look at OBM's API.

Do you know how often CH is imported into opencellid, and how often 
opencellid are imported into OBM?

Cheers,
Chris


> 
> Greetings, Sebastian
> (CellHunter developer)
> 
> Christian Gagneraud schrieb:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm using cellhunter since few month, with which i have gathered some 
>> data (1646 cells so far here in Ireland) and uploaded to their server.
>> I would like to give a try with OpenBmap, is there a way to convert 
>> data from CH to OBM and upload them to OBM server?
>> I know that OBM log more details than CH but i guess that CH's data 
>> are still usable by OBM.
>>
>> Generally speaking, what people think about these two project? And of 
>> course the 2 billion euros/dollars question: Which one is the best?
>> Does the 2 projects collaborate, if not are there any plan to do so?
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From david at blue-labs.org  Thu Jun  4 20:39:19 2009
From: david at blue-labs.org (David Ford)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:39:19 -0400
Subject: Popping up virtual keyboards via PyGTK, double click rate
Message-ID: <4A2814D7.10507@blue-labs.org>

I've been told that telling the widget to grab the focus should pop up 
the virtual keyboard, but it has yet to happen.

Does anyone have some example code references for doing this?  I'm 
working off a SHR base.

Next, how can I modify the double click/tap rate?  A double click with a 
finger is most difficult at present and still difficult with a stylus.  
Again, SHR (-unstable)

thank you muchly,
-david



From jan.public at famvlug.nl  Thu Jun  4 21:00:14 2009
From: jan.public at famvlug.nl (Jan Vlug)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:00:14 +0200
Subject: Unable to boot on SHR or OM2009 after installing Android Beta
 7
In-Reply-To: <6680575.7656401244127746577.JavaMail.root@spooler3-g27.priv.proxad.net>
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From fercerpav at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 21:19:15 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:19:15 +0400
Subject: Unable to boot on SHR or OM2009 after installing Android Beta 7
In-Reply-To: <4A2819BE.5090109@famvlug.nl> (Jan Vlug's message of "Thu\,
	04 Jun 2009 21\:00\:14 +0200")
References: <6680575.7656401244127746577.JavaMail.root@spooler3-g27.priv.proxad.net>
	<4A2819BE.5090109@famvlug.nl>
Message-ID: <m2eitziz7w.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

Jan Vlug <jan.public at famvlug.nl> writes:
> Do I understand correctly that you were not able to flash QI into NAND?
> Maybe a Koolu bootloader is causing the strange behavior...
> BTW do you know whether the NAND is partitioned as well?
>
> Maybe an experienced bootloader guy can test installing Koolu Android and reverting back to SHR or
> om2009 to investigate the issue?
> It took me quite some experimentation, trial and error to get my phone back to normal.

One can't easily do anything with NOR u-boot. It does its own
computation of NAND partitions. If koolu has some special bootloader
(i guess it's a Qi fork) just boot to NOR and replace Koolu's version
with stock OM's Qi. Easy as that.

-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com



From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 21:21:20 2009
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:21:20 +0200
Subject: Unable to boot on SHR or OM2009 after installing Android Beta 7
In-Reply-To: <22121078.7641371244122954103.JavaMail.root@spooler3-g27.priv.proxad.net>
References: <31881620.7641241244122824220.JavaMail.root@spooler3-g27.priv.proxad.net>
	<22121078.7641371244122954103.JavaMail.root@spooler3-g27.priv.proxad.net>
Message-ID: <26fea52c0906041221m286126bdnecd2ca1e13a2c514@mail.gmail.com>

i have the exact same problem

first i had the strange behaviour of having a /dev/mtdblock6 AND a
/dev/mtdblock7 when booted from SD
i reflashed qi and the shr-filesystem to NAND, and now i only have
/dev/mtdblock6 and no /dev/mtdblock7 any more (which is good),

but when i try to boot from NAND i get the koolu splashscreen and then
nothing happens

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:42 PM,  <yann.sladek at free.fr> wrote:
> Hi there list !
>
> I'm facing a problem with my FreeRunner trying to install the brand new SHR unstable release or OM2009.
>
> I formerly installed Android Beta 7 from Koolu packages but now when I'm trying to flash with another distro, flash goes well but I get stucked on boot with a koolu splashscreen and nothing else happens.
>
> I flashed fs and kernel images on NAND (using neotool)and I tried to flash QI or Uboot with no more success, I got the OpenMoko splashscreen and then the koolu one (and got stucked on it).
> When I'm trying to boot from the NOR menu using 'Boot' choice, I got messages saying that NAND is being reading and kernel is being loading and finally the stucked Koolu splashscreen.
>
> I already had this problem before but it was solved by someone on a Bearstech party in Paris, and cannot remember how it has been done.
>
> Regards,
>
> Yann
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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From yann.sladek at free.fr  Thu Jun  4 21:51:58 2009
From: yann.sladek at free.fr (Yann SLADEK)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:51:58 +0200
Subject: Unable to boot on SHR or OM2009 after installing Android Beta
 7
In-Reply-To: <m2eitziz7w.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <6680575.7656401244127746577.JavaMail.root@spooler3-g27.priv.proxad.net>	<4A2819BE.5090109@famvlug.nl>
	<m2eitziz7w.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <4A2825DE.6040202@free.fr>

Hi Paul and Jan,

I successfully flashed Qi on NAND but it doesn't changed anything at all

When I try to boot directly (pressing power button), I got the koolu 
spashscreen directly and then got stucked
When I try to boot from NOR menu (pressing AUX and power button), then 
choose 'Boot', I got message s saying that NAND is being reading and 
kernel is loading (with a final message Loading Kernel image ....OK) 
then koolu's splashscreen and got stucked
I don't know where can be the problem since I flashed (in one shot, 
using neo tool) bootloader, fs and kernel (with no error messages)

Booting without sd card into the phone doesn't change at all (same 
behaviour).

Just for trying, doe anyone has a splashscreen ? I cannot find one on 
the web

Regards,

Yann

> Jan Vlug <jan.public at famvlug.nl> writes:
>   
>> Do I understand correctly that you were not able to flash QI into NAND?
>> Maybe a Koolu bootloader is causing the strange behavior...
>> BTW do you know whether the NAND is partitioned as well?
>>
>> Maybe an experienced bootloader guy can test installing Koolu Android and reverting back to SHR or
>> om2009 to investigate the issue?
>> It took me quite some experimentation, trial and error to get my phone back to normal.
>>     
>
> One can't easily do anything with NOR u-boot. It does its own
> computation of NAND partitions. If koolu has some special bootloader
> (i guess it's a Qi fork) just boot to NOR and replace Koolu's version
> with stock OM's Qi. Easy as that.
>
>   




From unachievable at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 22:14:59 2009
From: unachievable at gmail.com (ivvmm)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:14:59 +0400
Subject: request for audiotagging
Message-ID: <4A282B43.3020105@gmail.com>

Hello list,

are there any OpenStreetMappers here? How to you map. I find it nearly
impossible.

The map in our region is rather pour and needs expanding. It is being
done only by two persons, although we have drawn all the streets and
many buildings in native town. We have named streets, because we do
remember their names. Numbered some of the houses ? that is already
hard. You have to print on a piece of paper the map. And go on foot
around your town and just write down the numbers of houses. That is very
inconvenient, because it is slow and you can only do that on foot. No
bicycle, no car because you will have to stop many times.

So what's about suburbs? It is pretty undrawn. Don't know even the names
of streets there. So a single thing could to do is just ride them all
and put on a map at home using GPS tracks.

Much more could be done with audio tagging. Please, could someone extend
either TangoGPS or omgps? That will be cutting more power from battery,
but that will also help more. Maybe some voice autodetection(by
detecting loud noise for example). And using speex codec for minimum size?

Thanks.

p.s. yesterday one my friend read the name of omgps as 'OMG ps?'

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From yann.sladek at free.fr  Thu Jun  4 22:25:56 2009
From: yann.sladek at free.fr (Yann SLADEK)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:25:56 +0200
Subject: Unable to boot on SHR or OM2009 after installing Android Beta
 7
In-Reply-To: <m2eitziz7w.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <6680575.7656401244127746577.JavaMail.root@spooler3-g27.priv.proxad.net>	<4A2819BE.5090109@famvlug.nl>
	<m2eitziz7w.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <4A282DD4.3020607@free.fr>

Ok my fault the problem come from me and nothing is related to Android

I didn't notice that when flashing fs and kernel together, kernel 
flashing wasn't done cause a USB reset (according to neotool)
When I flashed kernel only, everything is working great

Sorry for disturbance
> Jan Vlug <jan.public at famvlug.nl> writes:
>   
>> Do I understand correctly that you were not able to flash QI into NAND?
>> Maybe a Koolu bootloader is causing the strange behavior...
>> BTW do you know whether the NAND is partitioned as well?
>>
>> Maybe an experienced bootloader guy can test installing Koolu Android and reverting back to SHR or
>> om2009 to investigate the issue?
>> It took me quite some experimentation, trial and error to get my phone back to normal.
>>     
>
> One can't easily do anything with NOR u-boot. It does its own
> computation of NAND partitions. If koolu has some special bootloader
> (i guess it's a Qi fork) just boot to NOR and replace Koolu's version
> with stock OM's Qi. Easy as that.
>
>   




From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 22:40:29 2009
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:40:29 +0200
Subject: Unable to boot on SHR or OM2009 after installing Android Beta 7
In-Reply-To: <4A282DD4.3020607@free.fr>
References: <6680575.7656401244127746577.JavaMail.root@spooler3-g27.priv.proxad.net>
	<4A2819BE.5090109@famvlug.nl> <m2eitziz7w.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<4A282DD4.3020607@free.fr>
Message-ID: <26fea52c0906041340x2e68013du296fe7d03ca4008c@mail.gmail.com>

but i'm using qi,
and i have the kernel in the /boot directory on NAND,
that should work without flashing the kernel...
anyway, I will also try this

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Yann SLADEK <yann.sladek at free.fr> wrote:
> Ok my fault the problem come from me and nothing is related to Android
>
> I didn't notice that when flashing fs and kernel together, kernel
> flashing wasn't done cause a USB reset (according to neotool)
> When I flashed kernel only, everything is working great
>
> Sorry for disturbance
>> Jan Vlug <jan.public at famvlug.nl> writes:
>>
>>> Do I understand correctly that you were not able to flash QI into NAND?
>>> Maybe a Koolu bootloader is causing the strange behavior...
>>> BTW do you know whether the NAND is partitioned as well?
>>>
>>> Maybe an experienced bootloader guy can test installing Koolu Android and reverting back to SHR or
>>> om2009 to investigate the issue?
>>> It took me quite some experimentation, trial and error to get my phone back to normal.
>>>
>>
>> One can't easily do anything with NOR u-boot. It does its own
>> computation of NAND partitions. If koolu has some special bootloader
>> (i guess it's a Qi fork) just boot to NOR and replace Koolu's version
>> with stock OM's Qi. Easy as that.
>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Thu Jun  4 22:45:14 2009
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:45:14 +0200
Subject: Unable to boot on SHR or OM2009 after installing Android Beta 7
In-Reply-To: <26fea52c0906041340x2e68013du296fe7d03ca4008c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6680575.7656401244127746577.JavaMail.root@spooler3-g27.priv.proxad.net>
	<4A2819BE.5090109@famvlug.nl> <m2eitziz7w.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<4A282DD4.3020607@free.fr>
	<26fea52c0906041340x2e68013du296fe7d03ca4008c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.uu0o9oik41evsb@ginguppin>

> but i'm using qi,
> and i have the kernel in the /boot directory on NAND,
> that should work without flashing the kernel...

sorry, to disappoint you -- but we just had that discussion: qi does not  
understand jffs2 and nand is jffs2 formatted.
so, when using nand you have to flash it (but you still can't use the  
/boot/append-gatX file, since it still would be in nand).



From pammoko at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 23:00:29 2009
From: pammoko at gmail.com (tammaro "pamdirac" palombo)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:00:29 +0200
Subject: Om2009 testing release 4
In-Reply-To: <200905211334.48701.nytowl@openmoko.org>
References: <200905211334.48701.nytowl@openmoko.org>
Message-ID: <1ae168930906041400v517f0695ib113beb443553737@mail.gmail.com>

I try to use Om2009 but for me is unusable (call audio quality). I like
paroli but I must use FR like a phone.
I hope that the buzz fix solves this problem.

bye
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From bfuller at sdgsystems.com  Thu Jun  4 23:07:01 2009
From: bfuller at sdgsystems.com (Brian Fuller)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:07:01 -0400
Subject: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz - Quality
	Enhancement Service
Message-ID: <41906F23-94A2-4407-A017-50FDABEF2BA6@sdgsystems.com>

Hello Openmoko Community!

As users of the Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6, you  
may have experienced an audio buzz while making a phone call.   
Openmoko has identified the issue and upgraded the hardware to fix  
this issue.  The GTA02 version A7 phones are now available and include  
this fix.

In response to this audio buzz issue, Openmoko has implemented a  
program by which owners of GTA02 version A5 & A6 FreeRunners can have  
their phones reworked to an electrical revision similar to version  
A7.  All owners of version A5 & A6 FreeRunners are eligible for this  
program. SDG Systems (SDG), the US Master Distributor of the  
FreeRunner, will be performing the necessary revision work.

To review the details of this program and to participate, please go to  
the SDG online store located at www.sdgsystems.com, select Openmoko on  
the Catalog page, select "Buy Now" for the Neo FreeRunner versions A5  
& A6 Audio Buzz - Quality Enhancement Service, and complete the  
registration and checkout process.  For each phone returned for  
rework, you will receive a complimentary FreeRunner replacement  
battery to offset your shipping fees.  For those interested in  
purchasing additional phones, coupon code 5CZ8HT54, redeemable only at  
the SDG online store, is available for $30 off the retail price of  
$389 for the version A7 FreeRunner.  The coupon code has no quantity  
restrictions and expires on 7/31/09.

Participants' phones needing reworked MUST be returned to SDG by  
Wednesday, July 15, 2009, to qualify for this program.

For any additional assistance or questions, please email buzzfix at sdgsystems.com 
.

We appreciate your cooperation as we work to resolve this matter.

Sincerely,
SDG Systems & Koolu, Inc.








From chlework2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  4 23:09:49 2009
From: chlework2000 at yahoo.com (Test)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:09:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: m SD partitition
Message-ID: <770806.57392.qm@web43506.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I tried do partition on SD, I got partition 1 is ok but i got "No free sectors available", why ? how do i do partition 2?
?
?
Partition number (1-4): 1
Partition 1 is already defined, delete it before re-adding
Command (m for help): n
Command action
?? e?? extended
?? p?? primary partition (1-4)
p
Partition number (1-4): 2
No free sectors available


      
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From tanuva at googlemail.com  Thu Jun  4 23:17:07 2009
From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:17:07 +0200
Subject: m SD partitition
In-Reply-To: <770806.57392.qm@web43506.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <770806.57392.qm@web43506.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200906042317.08049.tanuva@gmail.com>

Am Donnerstag, 4. Juni 2009 23:09:49 schrieb Test:
> I tried do partition on SD, I got partition 1 is ok but i got "No free
> sectors available", why ? how do i do partition 2? 
>  
> Partition number (1-4): 1
> Partition 1 is already defined, delete it before re-adding
> Command (m for help): n
> Command action
>    e   extended
>    p   primary partition (1-4)
> p
> Partition number (1-4): 2
> No free sectors available

Most likely the first partition fills all the space on the card, so you 
need to shrink it first. If that doesn't work, an fdisk -l of the card's 
device would be helpful.

--
Marcel



From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 23:17:46 2009
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:17:46 +0200
Subject: m SD partitition
In-Reply-To: <770806.57392.qm@web43506.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <770806.57392.qm@web43506.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <26fea52c0906041417o6914f40dj6ab67c66418c86ac@mail.gmail.com>

type in "p" to print the info about your sd card;

but i'm sure the problem is that your first partition takes up the whole SD-card
so you will need to make it smaller

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Test <chlework2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I tried do partition on SD, I got partition 1 is ok but i got "No free
> sectors available", why ? how do i do partition 2?
>
>
> Partition number (1-4): 1
> Partition 1 is already defined, delete it before re-adding
> Command (m for help): n
> Command action
> ?? e?? extended
> ?? p?? primary partition (1-4)
> p
> Partition number (1-4): 2
> No free sectors available
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>



From rms at 1407.org  Thu Jun  4 23:22:07 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:22:07 +0100
Subject: Om2009 testing release 4
In-Reply-To: <1ae168930906041400v517f0695ib113beb443553737@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200905211334.48701.nytowl@openmoko.org>
	<1ae168930906041400v517f0695ib113beb443553737@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090604212207.GA7828@roque.1407.org>

On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:00:29PM +0200, tammaro pamdirac palombo wrote:
> I try to use Om2009 but for me is unusable (call audio quality). I like
> paroli but I must use FR like a phone.
> I hope that the buzz fix solves this problem.

While you don't get it, this alsa state file improves things a bit WRT the
recent builds:

http://www.kurppa.fi/freerunner/config_files/gsmhandset.state

Just replace the one in /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/

Rui



From wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca  Thu Jun  4 23:31:14 2009
From: wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca (Warren Baird)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:31:14 -0400
Subject: Om2009 testing release 4
In-Reply-To: <20090604212207.GA7828@roque.1407.org>
References: <200905211334.48701.nytowl@openmoko.org>
	<1ae168930906041400v517f0695ib113beb443553737@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090604212207.GA7828@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <b66a83e00906041431q431d05dw5c5789be7b9db83d@mail.gmail.com>

I've had better luck starting with
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state -
it's one of several that I've seen identified as 'the one true statefile'...

If you still get buzz, then try dropping 'control.5' (Mono Playback Volume)
-  to around 85 or 90.  That might help - although you might find that
people have trouble hearing you.

I'm currently using the gsmhandset-a7.state unmodified and seem to get ok
results.  I've had one report of intermittent buzz during a call, but it
wasn't super bad.

Warren


On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org>wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:00:29PM +0200, tammaro pamdirac palombo wrote:
> > I try to use Om2009 but for me is unusable (call audio quality). I like
> > paroli but I must use FR like a phone.
> > I hope that the buzz fix solves this problem.
>
> While you don't get it, this alsa state file improves things a bit WRT the
> recent builds:
>
> http://www.kurppa.fi/freerunner/config_files/gsmhandset.state
>
> Just replace the one in /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/
>
> Rui
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



-- 
Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist
http://www.synergisticimages.ca
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From pammoko at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 23:40:31 2009
From: pammoko at gmail.com (tammaro "pamdirac" palombo)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:40:31 +0200
Subject: Om2009 testing release 4
In-Reply-To: <b66a83e00906041431q431d05dw5c5789be7b9db83d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200905211334.48701.nytowl@openmoko.org>
	<1ae168930906041400v517f0695ib113beb443553737@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090604212207.GA7828@roque.1407.org>
	<b66a83e00906041431q431d05dw5c5789be7b9db83d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ae168930906041440y4e63dcaw6a7bb6c7946679a5@mail.gmail.com>

thanks, I'll try it tomorrow

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Warren Baird
<wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca>wrote:

> I've had better luck starting with
> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state -
> it's one of several that I've seen identified as 'the one true statefile'...
>
> If you still get buzz, then try dropping 'control.5' (Mono Playback Volume)
> -  to around 85 or 90.  That might help - although you might find that
> people have trouble hearing you.
>
> I'm currently using the gsmhandset-a7.state unmodified and seem to get ok
> results.  I've had one report of intermittent buzz during a call, but it
> wasn't super bad.
>
> Warren
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org>wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:00:29PM +0200, tammaro pamdirac palombo wrote:
>> > I try to use Om2009 but for me is unusable (call audio quality). I like
>> > paroli but I must use FR like a phone.
>> > I hope that the buzz fix solves this problem.
>>
>> While you don't get it, this alsa state file improves things a bit WRT the
>> recent builds:
>>
>> http://www.kurppa.fi/freerunner/config_files/gsmhandset.state
>>
>> Just replace the one in /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/
>>
>> Rui
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> http://www.synergisticimages.ca
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From stefan at openmoko.org  Thu Jun  4 23:44:29 2009
From: stefan at openmoko.org (Stefan Schmidt)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:44:29 +0200
Subject: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
In-Reply-To: <4A27EB76.7060907@omoco.de>
References: <4A27CA73.8060809@techworks.ie> <4A27EB76.7060907@omoco.de>
Message-ID: <20090604214428.GD7066@dodger.lab.datenfreihafen.org>

Hello.

On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 17:42, Sebastian Hammerl wrote:
> 
> I talked with the openbmap owner about collaborating and got to the
> result that it will only happen in the way that openbmap can use the
> cellhunter data.

Can you elaborate on this? What did the openbmap guys tell you?

>From my memory you stated that you like to keep the cellhunter db separate as
you need to take care about groups and other game data. Totally fine.

You offered to upload your data to opencellid. What would be the difference to
openbmap?

regards
Stefan Schmidt



From stefan at openmoko.org  Thu Jun  4 23:44:54 2009
From: stefan at openmoko.org (Stefan Schmidt)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:44:54 +0200
Subject: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410906041028j36e296fek4917c04429f21738@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A27CA73.8060809@techworks.ie> <4A27EB76.7060907@omoco.de>
	<d3e504410906041028j36e296fek4917c04429f21738@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090604214454.GE7066@dodger.lab.datenfreihafen.org>

Hello.

On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 20:28, Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> At some stage I heard that Openbmap would save more information
> compared to opencellid.
> 
> I don't know where's the problem but I really can't see why there has
> to be three databases for the same stuff - I'd guess it's just because
> of selfish people not willing to share and let others contribute or
> modify their way of working to suit the others. Too bad..

It's not that simple. Read the long threads we had about that in the past.

Summarize:

- opencellid was there first. Not much responses in the beginning. Got better in
  the end. I asked them if they are interested to extend their database to have
  fields for the quality of the gps signal and also logging other things like
  wifi APs. Tried it two times, no answer.

- openbmap came later and has a smaller database. On the other hand they have
  the idea of logging cell informations with more informations about the
  quality. Quality vs quantity gives them less cells of course. The also have
  the idea of more then just GSM cells.

- cellhunter made a great start due to the game character

- cellhunter data gets feed into opencell id

- openbmap imports the opencellid db

>From the FSO perspective we have several points that we need before we would
write code in the framework using it (and of course also contributing to it):

- Access to the server side source code.

- We prefer quality over quantity.

- We like to log wifi ap's as well.

- DB available as download.

After all the mails we had about that I don't think a cooperation more then what
is happening atm is likely. Sad but reality.

So far OpenBmap has been the most cooperative project from the FSO view. Once
the last issue, access to the server side source code, is sorted out the FSO
team will start to work together with them for tighter cooperation. Daniel and
Jan had some thinking with Onen about this during the FSOSHRUDCON.

regards
Stefan Schmidt



From pablodanielmino at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 23:54:35 2009
From: pablodanielmino at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pablo_Mi=F1o?=)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:54:35 -0300
Subject: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz - 
	Quality Enhancement Service
In-Reply-To: <41906F23-94A2-4407-A017-50FDABEF2BA6@sdgsystems.com>
References: <41906F23-94A2-4407-A017-50FDABEF2BA6@sdgsystems.com>
Message-ID: <6193c9410906041454p578b003ejde3c7d210e20ef5f@mail.gmail.com>

I am looking for the SOP for this fix in the openmoko wiki and I cannot find
it.
As I am an international user of openmoko if I send it to the US I will have
to pay taxes, and taxes in my country are quite high for electronics.

Could anyone send me the SOP link? I would like to have it fixed locally.

Thank you very much.

Pablo.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Brian Fuller <bfuller at sdgsystems.com> wrote:

> Hello Openmoko Community!
>
> As users of the Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6, you
> may have experienced an audio buzz while making a phone call.
> Openmoko has identified the issue and upgraded the hardware to fix
> this issue.  The GTA02 version A7 phones are now available and include
> this fix.
>
> In response to this audio buzz issue, Openmoko has implemented a
> program by which owners of GTA02 version A5 & A6 FreeRunners can have
> their phones reworked to an electrical revision similar to version
> A7.  All owners of version A5 & A6 FreeRunners are eligible for this
> program. SDG Systems (SDG), the US Master Distributor of the
> FreeRunner, will be performing the necessary revision work.
>
> To review the details of this program and to participate, please go to
> the SDG online store located at www.sdgsystems.com, select Openmoko on
> the Catalog page, select "Buy Now" for the Neo FreeRunner versions A5
> & A6 Audio Buzz - Quality Enhancement Service, and complete the
> registration and checkout process.  For each phone returned for
> rework, you will receive a complimentary FreeRunner replacement
> battery to offset your shipping fees.  For those interested in
> purchasing additional phones, coupon code 5CZ8HT54, redeemable only at
> the SDG online store, is available for $30 off the retail price of
> $389 for the version A7 FreeRunner.  The coupon code has no quantity
> restrictions and expires on 7/31/09.
>
> Participants' phones needing reworked MUST be returned to SDG by
> Wednesday, July 15, 2009, to qualify for this program.
>
> For any additional assistance or questions, please email
> buzzfix at sdgsystems.com
> .
>
> We appreciate your cooperation as we work to resolve this matter.
>
> Sincerely,
> SDG Systems & Koolu, Inc.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



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From steve at openmoko.com  Fri Jun  5 00:23:11 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:23:11 -0700
Subject: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz -
	Quality Enhancement Service
In-Reply-To: <41906F23-94A2-4407-A017-50FDABEF2BA6@sdgsystems.com>
References: <41906F23-94A2-4407-A017-50FDABEF2BA6@sdgsystems.com>
Message-ID: <4A28494F.6030003@openmoko>

 Thanks Brian.

  


Brian Fuller wrote:
> Hello Openmoko Community!
>
> As users of the Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6, you  
> may have experienced an audio buzz while making a phone call.   
> Openmoko has identified the issue and upgraded the hardware to fix  
> this issue.  The GTA02 version A7 phones are now available and include  
> this fix.
>
> In response to this audio buzz issue, Openmoko has implemented a  
> program by which owners of GTA02 version A5 & A6 FreeRunners can have  
> their phones reworked to an electrical revision similar to version  
> A7.  All owners of version A5 & A6 FreeRunners are eligible for this  
> program. SDG Systems (SDG), the US Master Distributor of the  
> FreeRunner, will be performing the necessary revision work.
>
> To review the details of this program and to participate, please go to  
> the SDG online store located at www.sdgsystems.com, select Openmoko on  
> the Catalog page, select "Buy Now" for the Neo FreeRunner versions A5  
> & A6 Audio Buzz - Quality Enhancement Service, and complete the  
> registration and checkout process.  For each phone returned for  
> rework, you will receive a complimentary FreeRunner replacement  
> battery to offset your shipping fees.  For those interested in  
> purchasing additional phones, coupon code 5CZ8HT54, redeemable only at  
> the SDG online store, is available for $30 off the retail price of  
> $389 for the version A7 FreeRunner.  The coupon code has no quantity  
> restrictions and expires on 7/31/09.
>
> Participants' phones needing reworked MUST be returned to SDG by  
> Wednesday, July 15, 2009, to qualify for this program.
>
> For any additional assistance or questions, please email buzzfix at sdgsystems.com 
> .
>
> We appreciate your cooperation as we work to resolve this matter.
>
> Sincerely,
> SDG Systems & Koolu, Inc.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>   




From rms at 1407.org  Fri Jun  5 00:47:04 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:47:04 +0100
Subject: Today's Om2009 snapshot (better than test4 so far)
Message-ID: <20090604224704.GD7828@roque.1407.org>

Hi,

Congratulations guys, Om2009 keeps getting better! I won't give
spoilers, just a thumbs up!

Sometimes suspend still gets borked after receiving a missed call,
but as I was able to place a call just after that, I'm not yet
sure the problem has changed.

One bigger problem, though, is that the illume battery indicator
seems a little ... on drugs... it kind of complains about way
different battery status than those reported by apm.

Rui



From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 01:39:55 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:39:55 +0200
Subject: Today's Om2009 snapshot (better than test4 so far)
In-Reply-To: <20090604224704.GD7828@roque.1407.org>
References: <20090604224704.GD7828@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc80906041639g4767a42bv60b83af26b7c37d@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org> wrote:
> Congratulations guys, Om2009 keeps getting better! I won't give
> spoilers, just a thumbs up!

Just finished some ui fix a moment ago, so try again;)

> Sometimes suspend still gets borked after receiving a missed call,
> but as I was able to place a call just after that, I'm not yet
> sure the problem has changed.

Seems like the famous #435 bug:
http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/435

It is not paroli related, and SHR suffers from the same problem.
Its really shame, this bugreport does not gathered any comment from FSO
developers.

> One bigger problem, though, is that the illume battery indicator
> seems a little ... on drugs... it kind of complains about way
> different battery status than those reported by apm.

You mean when fully charged it displays 33%? It was recently discussed
on #openmoko-cdevel, and again SHR has the same problem.
Paul Fertser already posted a patch to the kernel mailing list.
Needs hal fixed too....

My main concern about the om2009 or SHR is the lack of stability of FSO.
Fixing bugs is boring, implementing new features is always fun.

Sadly we dont have any dedicated(payed) developer for fixing bugs only.

Laszlo



From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 01:51:57 2009
From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:51:57 -0700
Subject: Popping up virtual keyboards via PyGTK, double click rate
In-Reply-To: <4A2814D7.10507@blue-labs.org>
References: <4A2814D7.10507@blue-labs.org>
Message-ID: <f8d5d4f30906041651v1c46755q90cc19084d223f13@mail.gmail.com>

if this means that the keyboard will finally auto-show when a text field is
active, i am really excited.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:39 AM, David Ford <david at blue-labs.org> wrote:

> I've been told that telling the widget to grab the focus should pop up
> the virtual keyboard, but it has yet to happen.
>
> Does anyone have some example code references for doing this?  I'm
> working off a SHR base.
>
> Next, how can I modify the double click/tap rate?  A double click with a
> finger is most difficult at present and still difficult with a stylus.
> Again, SHR (-unstable)
>
> thank you muchly,
> -david
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 01:54:39 2009
From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:54:39 -0700
Subject: request for audiotagging
In-Reply-To: <4A282B43.3020105@gmail.com>
References: <4A282B43.3020105@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f8d5d4f30906041654v905f5b9wd69c8e8c10feede1@mail.gmail.com>

im a regular to the OSM, but have never tried audiotagging. my guess is that
this could be done with dictator running in the background behind tango or
omgps. though im not sure if background recording works.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM, ivvmm <unachievable at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello list,
>
> are there any OpenStreetMappers here? How to you map. I find it nearly
> impossible.
>
> The map in our region is rather pour and needs expanding. It is being
> done only by two persons, although we have drawn all the streets and
> many buildings in native town. We have named streets, because we do
> remember their names. Numbered some of the houses ? that is already
> hard. You have to print on a piece of paper the map. And go on foot
> around your town and just write down the numbers of houses. That is very
> inconvenient, because it is slow and you can only do that on foot. No
> bicycle, no car because you will have to stop many times.
>
> So what's about suburbs? It is pretty undrawn. Don't know even the names
> of streets there. So a single thing could to do is just ride them all
> and put on a map at home using GPS tracks.
>
> Much more could be done with audio tagging. Please, could someone extend
> either TangoGPS or omgps? That will be cutting more power from battery,
> but that will also help more. Maybe some voice autodetection(by
> detecting loud noise for example). And using speex codec for minimum size?
>
> Thanks.
>
> p.s. yesterday one my friend read the name of omgps as 'OMG ps?'
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From robin.paulson at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 02:14:15 2009
From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:14:15 +1200
Subject: request for audiotagging
In-Reply-To: <f8d5d4f30906041654v905f5b9wd69c8e8c10feede1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A282B43.3020105@gmail.com>
	<f8d5d4f30906041654v905f5b9wd69c8e8c10feede1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2f3aa2770906041714r70de7d1oe3514249c1837761@mail.gmail.com>

2009/6/5 jeremy jozwik <jerjoz.forums at gmail.com>:
>> The map in our region is rather pour and needs expanding. It is being
>> done only by two persons, although we have drawn all the streets and
>> many buildings in native town. We have named streets, because we do
>> remember their names. Numbered some of the houses ? that is already
>> hard. You have to print on a piece of paper the map. And go on foot
>> around your town and just write down the numbers of houses. That is very
>> inconvenient, because it is slow and you can only do that on foot. No
>> bicycle, no car because you will have to stop many times.
>>
>> So what's about suburbs? It is pretty undrawn. Don't know even the names
>> of streets there. So a single thing could to do is just ride them all
>> and put on a map at home using GPS tracks.
>>
>> Much more could be done with audio tagging. Please, could someone extend
>> either TangoGPS or omgps? That will be cutting more power from battery,
>> but that will also help more. Maybe some voice autodetection(by
>> detecting loud noise for example). And using speex codec for minimum size?

yes, i do lots of osm work around my city. i find the neo is hopeless
for anything other than getting gps traces, cos it's so slow to type,
compared to a physical multitap on my old phone

i haven't tried it, but you could have a go at running josm on the neo
- it has support for synchronised audio tagging.

what's the java situation like on om phones?



From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Fri Jun  5 02:46:46 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:46:46 +0100
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In-Reply-To: <ffce06340906041052t3092498eo88dedceeb6cbda4f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6670906041041r4315440cw2948382178e4e73e@mail.gmail.com>
	<ffce06340906041052t3092498eo88dedceeb6cbda4f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200906050146.47451.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

A few clarifications inline below:

On Thursday 04 June 2009, The Digital Pioneer wrote:
> 1. OM phones and their software are completely open source, so they can be
> hacked but not like motorolas. You can edit the source codes and complie as
> you see fit.

The hardware schematics and component placement are open too, so they even 
make it easy to hack the hardware. The bootloader is designed to allow new 
firmware to be flashed easily, and to boot from the SD card.

> 2. Android doesn't work completely;

The open parts of android mostly work, and work is in progress to fix the bits 
that don't. You can check the changelogs here:
	http://freerunner.android.koolu.com/release-files
Some of the android APIs, and apps that people think of as part of android, 
are closed and AFAIK won't run unless Google open them, or possibly recompiles 
them for armv4t

> 4. The phone can be dualbooted, but you're going to need a large enough
> microSD card to hold all the distros.

I'm quad- or quin-booting, I forget which, with android in NAND and 3 or 4 
others on an 8GB SD-card. That should be plenty big enough for android, qtopia 
and debian.

> AFAIK, that's all true, but I've been wrong before. ;)

Me too ;-)



From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Fri Jun  5 04:06:48 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 03:06:48 +0100
Subject: Popping up virtual keyboards via PyGTK, double click rate
In-Reply-To: <4A2814D7.10507@blue-labs.org>
References: <4A2814D7.10507@blue-labs.org>
Message-ID: <200906050306.49571.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Thursday 04 June 2009, David Ford wrote:
> I've been told that telling the widget to grab the focus should pop up
> the virtual keyboard, but it has yet to happen.

Not quite - it responds to various X atoms being set. This post has some more 
info, including c code. You may need to check the illume source for the 
complete list of atoms.
http://www.mail-archive.com/community at lists.openmoko.org/msg41666.html

> Does anyone have some example code references for doing this?  I'm
> working off a SHR base.

I've not seen any, but this might help in combination with the c code above:
http://python-xlib.sourceforge.net/doc/html/python-xlib_14.html#SEC13

> Next, how can I modify the double click/tap rate?  A double click with a
> finger is most difficult at present and still difficult with a stylus.
> Again, SHR (-unstable)
>
> thank you muchly,
> -david
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community





From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Fri Jun  5 04:16:26 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 03:16:26 +0100
Subject: request for audiotagging
In-Reply-To: <f8d5d4f30906041654v905f5b9wd69c8e8c10feede1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A282B43.3020105@gmail.com>
	<f8d5d4f30906041654v905f5b9wd69c8e8c10feede1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200906050316.26744.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

iirc the author of dictator added features specifically to make it usable for 
audio tagging while recording tracklogs with tangogps, though it should work 
with omgps too. I've not tried it though - too much wind noise when I'm 
cycling. I usually stop and take notes on dead tree from time to time instead.

On Friday 05 June 2009, jeremy jozwik wrote:
> im a regular to the OSM, but have never tried audiotagging. my guess is
> that this could be done with dictator running in the background behind
> tango or omgps. though im not sure if background recording works.
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM, ivvmm <unachievable at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello list,
> >
> > are there any OpenStreetMappers here? How to you map. I find it nearly
> > impossible.
> >
> > The map in our region is rather pour and needs expanding. It is being
> > done only by two persons, although we have drawn all the streets and
> > many buildings in native town. We have named streets, because we do
> > remember their names. Numbered some of the houses ? that is already
> > hard. You have to print on a piece of paper the map. And go on foot
> > around your town and just write down the numbers of houses. That is very
> > inconvenient, because it is slow and you can only do that on foot. No
> > bicycle, no car because you will have to stop many times.
> >
> > So what's about suburbs? It is pretty undrawn. Don't know even the names
> > of streets there. So a single thing could to do is just ride them all
> > and put on a map at home using GPS tracks.
> >
> > Much more could be done with audio tagging. Please, could someone extend
> > either TangoGPS or omgps? That will be cutting more power from battery,
> > but that will also help more. Maybe some voice autodetection(by
> > detecting loud noise for example). And using speex codec for minimum
> > size?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > p.s. yesterday one my friend read the name of omgps as 'OMG ps?'
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community





From stephen.lepage at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 04:18:28 2009
From: stephen.lepage at gmail.com (Stephen LePage)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:18:28 -0400
Subject: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz - 
	Quality Enhancement Service
In-Reply-To: <4A28494F.6030003@openmoko>
References: <41906F23-94A2-4407-A017-50FDABEF2BA6@sdgsystems.com>
	<4A28494F.6030003@openmoko>
Message-ID: <f9ba4d820906041918g53f3d406q9721d4120cabf236@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to everyone involved with this. This brings us one step closer to
having an open and functional phone.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Steve Mosher <steve at openmoko.com> wrote:

>  Thanks Brian.
>
>
>
>
> Brian Fuller wrote:
> > Hello Openmoko Community!
> >
> > As users of the Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6, you
> > may have experienced an audio buzz while making a phone call.
> > Openmoko has identified the issue and upgraded the hardware to fix
> > this issue.  The GTA02 version A7 phones are now available and include
> > this fix.
> >
> > In response to this audio buzz issue, Openmoko has implemented a
> > program by which owners of GTA02 version A5 & A6 FreeRunners can have
> > their phones reworked to an electrical revision similar to version
> > A7.  All owners of version A5 & A6 FreeRunners are eligible for this
> > program. SDG Systems (SDG), the US Master Distributor of the
> > FreeRunner, will be performing the necessary revision work.
> >
> > To review the details of this program and to participate, please go to
> > the SDG online store located at www.sdgsystems.com, select Openmoko on
> > the Catalog page, select "Buy Now" for the Neo FreeRunner versions A5
> > & A6 Audio Buzz - Quality Enhancement Service, and complete the
> > registration and checkout process.  For each phone returned for
> > rework, you will receive a complimentary FreeRunner replacement
> > battery to offset your shipping fees.  For those interested in
> > purchasing additional phones, coupon code 5CZ8HT54, redeemable only at
> > the SDG online store, is available for $30 off the retail price of
> > $389 for the version A7 FreeRunner.  The coupon code has no quantity
> > restrictions and expires on 7/31/09.
> >
> > Participants' phones needing reworked MUST be returned to SDG by
> > Wednesday, July 15, 2009, to qualify for this program.
> >
> > For any additional assistance or questions, please email
> buzzfix at sdgsystems.com
> > .
> >
> > We appreciate your cooperation as we work to resolve this matter.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > SDG Systems & Koolu, Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



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From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Fri Jun  5 04:24:39 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 03:24:39 +0100
Subject: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz -
	Quality Enhancement Service
In-Reply-To: <6193c9410906041454p578b003ejde3c7d210e20ef5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41906F23-94A2-4407-A017-50FDABEF2BA6@sdgsystems.com>
	<6193c9410906041454p578b003ejde3c7d210e20ef5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200906050324.40116.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Thursday 04 June 2009, Pablo Mi?o wrote:
> I am looking for the SOP for this fix in the openmoko wiki and I cannot
> find it.
> As I am an international user of openmoko if I send it to the US I will
> have to pay taxes, and taxes in my country are quite high for electronics.
>
> Could anyone send me the SOP link? I would like to have it fixed locally.

See the Big C files at the link below. One is the SOP, the other a walkthrough 
of someone following it, with photos.

http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/




From pablodanielmino at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 04:32:06 2009
From: pablodanielmino at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pablo_Mi=F1o?=)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:32:06 -0300
Subject: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz - 
	Quality Enhancement Service
In-Reply-To: <200906050324.40116.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <41906F23-94A2-4407-A017-50FDABEF2BA6@sdgsystems.com>
	<6193c9410906041454p578b003ejde3c7d210e20ef5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200906050324.40116.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6193c9410906041932w76329fb4sec3b76f859da240@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you a lot!

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Al Johnson
<openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk>wrote:

> On Thursday 04 June 2009, Pablo Mi?o wrote:
> > I am looking for the SOP for this fix in the openmoko wiki and I cannot
> > find it.
> > As I am an international user of openmoko if I send it to the US I will
> > have to pay taxes, and taxes in my country are quite high for
> electronics.
> >
> > Could anyone send me the SOP link? I would like to have it fixed locally.
>
> See the Big C files at the link below. One is the SOP, the other a
> walkthrough
> of someone following it, with photos.
>
> http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



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From dlstal2 at uky.edu  Fri Jun  5 07:16:14 2009
From: dlstal2 at uky.edu (Staley, Daniel L)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:16:14 -0400
Subject: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz -
	Quality	Enhancement Service
In-Reply-To: <41906F23-94A2-4407-A017-50FDABEF2BA6@sdgsystems.com>
References: <41906F23-94A2-4407-A017-50FDABEF2BA6@sdgsystems.com>
Message-ID: <A101CFA88332EB4E8E11A80983B2CE30011807C0DD@EX7FM02.ad.uky.edu>

Thank you for doing this!
I have a full body invisible shield on my freerunner, is this okay to send in?  It can still be opened per usual, but I just wanted to make sure it was okay first.

Is there any way we could perhaps pay extra and get the GPS capacitor, Bass Fix, and Recamping fix as well?
If not, thats fine....the buzz fix is really the only one that matters....the others have good enough software work-arounds.

Thanks again!
-Dan Staley


________________________________________
From: Brian Fuller [bfuller at sdgsystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 5:07 PM
To: community at lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz - Quality    Enhancement Service

Hello Openmoko Community!

As users of the Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6, you
may have experienced an audio buzz while making a phone call.
Openmoko has identified the issue and upgraded the hardware to fix
this issue.  The GTA02 version A7 phones are now available and include
this fix.

In response to this audio buzz issue, Openmoko has implemented a
program by which owners of GTA02 version A5 & A6 FreeRunners can have
their phones reworked to an electrical revision similar to version
A7.  All owners of version A5 & A6 FreeRunners are eligible for this
program. SDG Systems (SDG), the US Master Distributor of the
FreeRunner, will be performing the necessary revision work.

To review the details of this program and to participate, please go to
the SDG online store located at www.sdgsystems.com, select Openmoko on
the Catalog page, select "Buy Now" for the Neo FreeRunner versions A5
& A6 Audio Buzz - Quality Enhancement Service, and complete the
registration and checkout process.  For each phone returned for
rework, you will receive a complimentary FreeRunner replacement
battery to offset your shipping fees.  For those interested in
purchasing additional phones, coupon code 5CZ8HT54, redeemable only at
the SDG online store, is available for $30 off the retail price of
$389 for the version A7 FreeRunner.  The coupon code has no quantity
restrictions and expires on 7/31/09.

Participants' phones needing reworked MUST be returned to SDG by
Wednesday, July 15, 2009, to qualify for this program.

For any additional assistance or questions, please email buzzfix at sdgsystems.com
.

We appreciate your cooperation as we work to resolve this matter.

Sincerely,
SDG Systems & Koolu, Inc.










From max at darim.com  Fri Jun  5 07:19:15 2009
From: max at darim.com (Max)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:19:15 +0700
Subject: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz -
	Quality Enhancement Service
In-Reply-To: <41906F23-94A2-4407-A017-50FDABEF2BA6@sdgsystems.com>
References: <41906F23-94A2-4407-A017-50FDABEF2BA6@sdgsystems.com>
Message-ID: <1244179155.5778.76.camel@x-desk>

Great to hear that...
Btw, where do you actually situated?... at least information about
continent you're in would greatly help in estimating shipment costs :)

cheers,
Max.




From alex.shulgin at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 07:45:56 2009
From: alex.shulgin at gmail.com (Alexander Shulgin)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:45:56 +0300
Subject: m SD partitition
In-Reply-To: <770806.57392.qm@web43506.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <770806.57392.qm@web43506.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <729abac10906042245u724825c3wc901875fcf2e4861@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:09 AM, Test<chlework2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I tried do partition on SD, I got partition 1 is ok but i got "No free
> sectors available", why ? how do i do partition 2?
>
>
> Partition number (1-4): 1
> Partition 1 is already defined, delete it before re-adding
> Command (m for help): n
> Command action
> ?? e?? extended
> ?? p?? primary partition (1-4)
> p
> Partition number (1-4): 2
> No free sectors available

Did you try 'o' command?  It'll erase partition table and let you
define new partitions with 'p'.

--
Alex



From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 07:49:11 2009
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 07:49:11 +0200
Subject: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
In-Reply-To: <4A27CA73.8060809@techworks.ie>
References: <4A27CA73.8060809@techworks.ie>
Message-ID: <26fea52c0906042249j35822d77m46da95041b71abeb@mail.gmail.com>

My personal preference goes out to openBmap,
because I think they combine quality and quantity;
quality: they log the most data (they are even working on TA)
quantity: they have all the cells of cellhunter and opencellid

I could be mistaken but from what i heard from onen (the creator of
openBmap) on ML and irc, I got the impression that he DOES want to
work together,
just not "only" sharing data, but i could be wrong

y

On 6/4/09, Christian Gagneraud <cgagneraud at techworks.ie> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm using cellhunter since few month, with which i have gathered some
> data (1646 cells so far here in Ireland) and uploaded to their server.
> I would like to give a try with OpenBmap, is there a way to convert
> data from CH to OBM and upload them to OBM server?
> I know that OBM log more details than CH but i guess that CH's data
> are still usable by OBM.
>
> Generally speaking, what people think about these two project? And of
> course the 2 billion euros/dollars question: Which one is the best?
> Does the 2 projects collaborate, if not are there any plan to do so?
>
> Chris.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



From risto at kurppa.fi  Fri Jun  5 07:55:51 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:55:51 +0300
Subject: Today's Om2009 snapshot (better than test4 so far)
In-Reply-To: <20090604224704.GD7828@roque.1407.org>
References: <20090604224704.GD7828@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <d3e504410906042255s5f6a5c7evd42891928b85d961@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Congratulations guys, Om2009 keeps getting better! I won't give
> spoilers, just a thumbs up!

Yes, some of the new features are c00l. Things just start to click :)

> Sometimes suspend still gets borked after receiving a missed call,
> but as I was able to place a call just after that, I'm not yet
> sure the problem has changed.

yep, as Laszlo just told, it's #435 (fso bug) and I also wonder why
there are not people fixing a bug affecting MANY users in a radical
way..


Let's see when the next testing is released...

r


-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi



From klemmster at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 08:01:15 2009
From: klemmster at gmail.com (Richy)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:01:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz -
	Quality Enhancement Service
In-Reply-To: <1244179155.5778.76.camel@x-desk>
Message-ID: <fvkhn8vu2u76gf1dh5UYAxe124vaj_firegpg@mail.gmail.com>

from the website:

Location:

SDG Systems, LLC
219 Glen Rape Road
Cranberry Township, PA 16066

Seems to be in the USA, according to googleMaps.


On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 07:19, Max <max at darim.com> wrote:
>
> Great to hear that...
> Btw, where do you actually situated?... at least information about
> continent you're in would greatly help in estimating shipment costs :)
>
> cheers,
> Max.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

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From dehqan65 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 08:13:17 2009
From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (a dehqan)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:43:17 +0430
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In-Reply-To: <200906050146.47451.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <267bb6670906041041r4315440cw2948382178e4e73e@mail.gmail.com>
	<ffce06340906041052t3092498eo88dedceeb6cbda4f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200906050146.47451.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <267bb6670906042313h3a050823xfbfcc7d98fbdb665@mail.gmail.com>

In The Name Of God

Thanks alot for your attentions ;
1- There is need a phone with a good sound power to have listening voice
with headphone ,have calls, recieve and dial ,send and receive sms in
persian language (farsi) , as for these needs first > does neo freeruner
fulfill these needs ? second> if yes ,which one of android , shr ,debian ,
qtopia are better for these needs ?

2-Where can Freerunner be bought with minimum price ,in europ and asia ?

3-Can we have stream gprs from phone to pc by bluetooth by FR ?
How about sending and receiving sms in persian language (farsi) on FR ?

?Regards dehqan

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 5:16 AM, Al Johnson <openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk>wrote:

> A few clarifications inline below:
>
> On Thursday 04 June 2009, The Digital Pioneer wrote:
> > 1. OM phones and their software are completely open source, so they can
> be
> > hacked but not like motorolas. You can edit the source codes and complie
> as
> > you see fit.
>
> The hardware schematics and component placement are open too, so they even
> make it easy to hack the hardware. The bootloader is designed to allow new
> firmware to be flashed easily, and to boot from the SD card.
>
> > 2. Android doesn't work completely;
>
> The open parts of android mostly work, and work is in progress to fix the
> bits
> that don't. You can check the changelogs here:
>        http://freerunner.android.koolu.com/release-files
> Some of the android APIs, and apps that people think of as part of android,
> are closed and AFAIK won't run unless Google open them, or possibly
> recompiles
> them for armv4t
>
> > 4. The phone can be dualbooted, but you're going to need a large enough
> > microSD card to hold all the distros.
>
> I'm quad- or quin-booting, I forget which, with android in NAND and 3 or 4
> others on an 8GB SD-card. That should be plenty big enough for android,
> qtopia
> and debian.
>
> > AFAIK, that's all true, but I've been wrong before. ;)
>
> Me too ;-)
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From risto at kurppa.fi  Fri Jun  5 08:16:49 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:16:49 +0300
Subject: request for audiotagging
In-Reply-To: <200906050316.26744.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <4A282B43.3020105@gmail.com>
	<f8d5d4f30906041654v905f5b9wd69c8e8c10feede1@mail.gmail.com>
	<200906050316.26744.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <d3e504410906042316u2ebf3569v70a21d4e6886c29c@mail.gmail.com>

OSM yes, Openmoko Yes.

There's some kind of mapping GUI at
http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?view=markup
It shows buttons that you can press to add tags in .osm format: speed
limits etc.

I haven't had a close look at it, it was suggested to me here:
http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/my-openmoko-wishlist/#comments (read the
comments by pavel)

I think it could be extended/completed to be a usable tool, even wehn
biking. It doesn't understand the road names etc but is a handy tool
to add POI's etc. Someone with .py skill please have a look at it. If
one would use this mokomapper with audio recorder, it'd be a powerful
combination: the most simple tags you'd get by clicking FR and then
read the street names.

So far I've been just recording the track with tangogps and taking
photos and then sync gps and EXIF times.

regarding JOSM, I wouldn't use it on FR: I want a big screen to be
able to do precisely what I want, to analyze the saved audio/gps/POI
data.. (and I son't know what's the status of Java on OM..)

Please don't let this thread die before we have a good solution!

r


-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi



From risto at kurppa.fi  Fri Jun  5 08:23:58 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:23:58 +0300
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In-Reply-To: <267bb6670906042313h3a050823xfbfcc7d98fbdb665@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6670906041041r4315440cw2948382178e4e73e@mail.gmail.com>
	<ffce06340906041052t3092498eo88dedceeb6cbda4f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200906050146.47451.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<267bb6670906042313h3a050823xfbfcc7d98fbdb665@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d3e504410906042323r1d35dad1t561148410083c774@mail.gmail.com>

2009/6/5 a dehqan <dehqan65 at gmail.com>:
> Thanks alot for your attentions ;
> 1- There is need a phone with a good sound power to have listening voice
> with headphone ,have calls, recieve and dial ,send and receive sms in
> persian language (farsi) , as for these needs first > does neo freeruner
> fulfill these needs ? second> if yes ,which one of android , shr ,debian ,
> qtopia are better for these needs ?

It's good that you can just buy it and try yourself - but I'd think at
least OM2009 should be able to do it.

> 2-Where can Freerunner be bought with minimum price ,in europ and asia ?

You might again want to compare, ther's a list of distributors at openmoko.com

> 3-Can we have stream gprs from phone to pc by bluetooth by FR ?
I can't see why couldn't it be done, actually I think someone have
done it already.

> How about sending and receiving sms in persian language (farsi) on FR ?

If cyrillic / russian works, I can't see why persian/farsi couldn't be
implemented, unless it already works.

please have a look at wiki.openmoko.org and also the mailing list
archives to find more information on what's done and so on..

r

-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi



From risto at kurppa.fi  Fri Jun  5 08:26:29 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:26:29 +0300
Subject: Om2009 testing release 4
In-Reply-To: <1ae168930906041440y4e63dcaw6a7bb6c7946679a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200905211334.48701.nytowl@openmoko.org>
	<1ae168930906041400v517f0695ib113beb443553737@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090604212207.GA7828@roque.1407.org>
	<b66a83e00906041431q431d05dw5c5789be7b9db83d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ae168930906041440y4e63dcaw6a7bb6c7946679a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d3e504410906042326k2f287865tfc0ce0fd5a2d4160@mail.gmail.com>

Do remember that each FR is a bit unique in the audio side -> it's
possible that the best alsastate for YOUR fr isn't around and you have
to make some adjustments yourself..

I think that every FR is possible to make sound good after the buzz
fix but it might involve some playing with alsamixer.

r


-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi



From hns at computer.org  Fri Jun  5 08:32:00 2009
From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:32:00 +0200
Subject: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz -
	Quality Enhancement Service
In-Reply-To: <fvkhn8vu2u76gf1dh5UYAxe124vaj_firegpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fvkhn8vu2u76gf1dh5UYAxe124vaj_firegpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7D49B9E-49CA-4759-B20A-BCC4530660DC@computer.org>

He wrote that he is in the US.

We also run the same program for a while for EU customers:

http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Buzz-Rework

Nikolaus


Am 05.06.2009 um 08:01 schrieb Richy:

> from the website:
>
> Location:
>
> SDG Systems, LLC
> 219 Glen Rape Road
> Cranberry Township, PA 16066
>
> Seems to be in the USA, according to googleMaps.
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 07:19, Max <max at darim.com> wrote:
>>
>> Great to hear that...
>> Btw, where do you actually situated?... at least information about
>> continent you're in would greatly help in estimating shipment  
>> costs :)
>>
>> cheers,
>> Max.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



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From neilb at suse.de  Fri Jun  5 08:53:01 2009
From: neilb at suse.de (NeilBrown)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:53:01 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz - 
	Quality Enhancement Service
In-Reply-To: <C7D49B9E-49CA-4759-B20A-BCC4530660DC@computer.org>
References: <fvkhn8vu2u76gf1dh5UYAxe124vaj_firegpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C7D49B9E-49CA-4759-B20A-BCC4530660DC@computer.org>
Message-ID: <f737e74bfa196cba3a350bdffed46fa7.squirrel@neil.brown.name>

On Fri, June 5, 2009 4:32 pm, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> He wrote that he is in the US.
>
> We also run the same program for a while for EU customers:
>
> http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Buzz-Rework
>
> Nikolaus

Any suggestions on a best course of action for Australian
customers?

Supposing we were happy to pay shipping to-from USA, how
would we go about paying the return postage and what might it
cost (I think it is about $AU15 to post to the USA from here,
for standard airmail).

Thanks,
NeilBrown




From kimaidou at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 08:57:18 2009
From: kimaidou at gmail.com (kimaidou)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:57:18 +0200
Subject: request for audiotagging
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Hi all

My experience of OSM mapping :
* tango gps : just gps tracks
* OSM2go : live editing (get position by gps, download, view and edit the
vector OSM data with synchro of the changes on upload) --> great, but a bit
heavy and has no soud recording tool
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm2go
and
http://comiles.eu/~natanael/projects/ (you must install first the goocanvas,
then osm2go-data and then osm2go. Before loading it, you must create the
conf folder with

mkdir ~/.osm2go/


I really wish we have a tool as OSMtracker for our freerunners :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSMtracker
It has big button, can record audio, etc. . Is there any hope one with
coding skills can use it as an example to code a similar GUI and engine ?



2009/6/5 Risto H. Kurppa <risto at kurppa.fi>

> OSM yes, Openmoko Yes.
>
> There's some kind of mapping GUI at
> http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?view=markup
> It shows buttons that you can press to add tags in .osm format: speed
> limits etc.
>
> I haven't had a close look at it, it was suggested to me here:
> http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/my-openmoko-wishlist/#comments (read the
> comments by pavel)
>
> I think it could be extended/completed to be a usable tool, even wehn
> biking. It doesn't understand the road names etc but is a handy tool
> to add POI's etc. Someone with .py skill please have a look at it. If
> one would use this mokomapper with audio recorder, it'd be a powerful
> combination: the most simple tags you'd get by clicking FR and then
> read the street names.
>
> So far I've been just recording the track with tangogps and taking
> photos and then sync gps and EXIF times.
>
> regarding JOSM, I wouldn't use it on FR: I want a big screen to be
> able to do precisely what I want, to analyze the saved audio/gps/POI
> data.. (and I son't know what's the status of Java on OM..)
>
> Please don't let this thread die before we have a good solution!
>
> r
>
>
> --
> | risto h. kurppa
> | risto at kurppa dot fi
> | http://risto.kurppa.fi
>
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From risto at kurppa.fi  Fri Jun  5 09:31:31 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:31:31 +0300
Subject: request for audiotagging
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On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:57 AM, kimaidou<kimaidou at gmail.com> wrote:
> I really wish we have a tool as OSMtracker for our freerunners :
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSMtracker
> It has big button, can record audio, etc. . Is there any hope one with
> coding skills can use it as an example to code a similar GUI and engine ?

See my previous post:

> There's some kind of mapping GUI at
> http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?view=markup
> It shows buttons that you can press to add tags in .osm format: speed
> limits etc.
>
> I haven't had a close look at it, it was suggested to me here:
> http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/my-openmoko-wishlist/#comments (read the
> comments by pavel)
>
> I think it could be extended/completed to be a usable tool, even wehn
> biking. It doesn't understand the road names etc but is a handy tool
> to add POI's etc. Someone with .py skill please have a look at it. If
> one would use this mokomapper with audio recorder, it'd be a powerful
> combination: the most simple tags you'd get by clicking FR and then
> read the street names.


r


-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi



From nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz  Fri Jun  5 09:57:10 2009
From: nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz (Glen Ogilvie)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 19:57:10 +1200
Subject: QT Improved -  predictive dictionary
In-Reply-To: <20090530154226.08458d3d@telenet.be>
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On Sunday 31 May 2009, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> Glen Ogilvie <nelg at linuxsolutions.co.nz> wrote:
> >
> > Oh, one thing I noticed is it seems that the predictive dictionary on
> > the keyboard is disabled.. Is that intentional?
>
> yes it is, but you can reactivate again by sliding diagonal: left down
> to right up (I think).

Hi Franky,

Try as I might, I've not been able to reactive this on the release from 
qte_20090601.tgz

Do you have any suggestions?

I am trying to swipe from the bottom left part of the text input box to the 
right top of it.  Is that right?

Regards
Glen Ogilvie

> Franky
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From dehqan65 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 10:08:45 2009
From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (a dehqan)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:38:45 +0430
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
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In The Name Of God
Thanks alot for your attention

>
> 2009/6/5 a dehqan <dehqan65 at gmail.com>:
> > Thanks alot for your attentions ;
> > 1- There is need a phone with a good sound power to have listening voice
> > with headphone ,have calls, recieve and dial ,send and receive sms in
> > persian language (farsi) , as for these needs first > does neo freeruner
> > fulfill these needs ? second> if yes ,which one of android , shr ,debian ,
> > qtopia are better for these needs ?
>
> It's good that you can just buy it and try yourself - but I'd think at
> least OM2009 should be able to do it.
when someone here ask question ,he/she needs other experiences before
buying .In Iran if i bought it and then it did not fulfill needs who
will buy that from me ?i can say maybe no one in iran use openmoko
phone .
so i'll be thankfull someone answer exacltly .

>
> > 2-Where can Freerunner be bought with minimum price ,in europ and asia ?
>
> You might again want to compare, ther's a list of distributors at openmoko.com
>
yes there is a page : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributors
But i was interested if there is a seller that sells FR less than those prices ?
anda it is probable those prices have been changed ,isnt it ?

> > 3-Can we have stream gprs from phone to pc by bluetooth by FR ?
> I can't see why couldn't it be done, actually I think someone have
> done it already.
Whould let me know who had done that ?any link ?where can be that work
be found ?

>
> > How about sending and receiving sms in persian language (farsi) on FR ?
>
> If cyrillic / russian works, I can't see why persian/farsi couldn't be
> implemented, unless it already works.
My problem is that in iran i dont think anyone else bought  FR ,so how
can i be sure it supports persian in sms ?
>
> please have a look at wiki.openmoko.org and also the mailing list
> archives to find more information on what's done and so on..
>
> r
>
> --
> | risto h. kurppa
> | risto at kurppa dot fi
> | http://risto.kurppa.fi
>
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From list-openmoko at omoco.de  Fri Jun  5 10:14:25 2009
From: list-openmoko at omoco.de (Sebastian Hammerl)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:14:25 +0200
Subject: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
In-Reply-To: <4A280B65.2030201@techworks.ie>
References: <4A27CA73.8060809@techworks.ie> <4A27EB76.7060907@omoco.de>
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Christian Gagneraud schrieb:
> Sebastian Hammerl wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>>     
>
> Hi Sebastian,
>
>   
>> about the conversion I cannot help you because I don't know the openbmap
>> format.
>>
>> I talked with the openbmap owner about collaborating and got to the
>> result that it will only happen in the way that openbmap can use the
>> cellhunter data. I will not combine these two databases. There are some
>> mails here around with reasons for that.
>>     
>
> Yes, i've read about this, and i think that it's worth logging too 
> much data than not enough...
>
>   
>> But cellhunter will cooperate with opencellid.org which is as far as I
>> know the largest open cellid database. And my opinion is that everyone
>> should submit the data via cellhunter or something else to this database
>> so there is one global one. Only with a good cover all over the world
>> this data gets usefull.
>>     
>
> I've looked at opencellid.org website, and couldn't find any 
> information concerning the database, how can a user access the data 
> for example...
>
>   
there is an api documented at the homepage and you can download the raw 
data.
>> I just saw that openbmaps imports the opencellid data so there will be
>> the cellhunter data in in future.
>>     
>
> That's a good point, but for example, yesterday evening i've uploaded 
> lot of data (about 5 hours sampling every 10 seconds, while moving by 
> boat along the coast), and now i would like to reuse these data, 
> exploit them, plot them, ... with existing web application or by 
> writing my own tool, the API offered by cellhunter doesn't really fit 
> my needs that's why i want to have a look at OBM's API.
>
> Do you know how often CH is imported into opencellid, and how often 
> opencellid are imported into OBM?
>
>   
cellhunter ist not submitting to opencellid yet, because i have to
prepare the data for that but it will happen.

Sebastian
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
>   
>> Greetings, Sebastian
>> (CellHunter developer)
>>
>> Christian Gagneraud schrieb:
>>     
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm using cellhunter since few month, with which i have gathered some 
>>> data (1646 cells so far here in Ireland) and uploaded to their server.
>>> I would like to give a try with OpenBmap, is there a way to convert 
>>> data from CH to OBM and upload them to OBM server?
>>> I know that OBM log more details than CH but i guess that CH's data 
>>> are still usable by OBM.
>>>
>>> Generally speaking, what people think about these two project? And of 
>>> course the 2 billion euros/dollars question: Which one is the best?
>>> Does the 2 projects collaborate, if not are there any plan to do so?
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
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From ed at kapitein.org  Fri Jun  5 10:20:53 2009
From: ed at kapitein.org (Ed Kapitein)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:20:53 +0200
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
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><SNIP><
> > > 3-Can we have stream gprs from phone to pc by bluetooth by FR ?
> > I can't see why couldn't it be done, actually I think someone have
> > done it already.
> Whould let me know who had done that ?any link ?where can be that work
> be found ?
> 

Perhaps you need to make a bit more clear what you mean with 
"stream gprs from phone to pc by bluetooth by FR"

I use my FR as a modem/router for my PC. so i connect the FR to the GPRS
network of my GSM provider, connect my FR to my PC over bluetooth and
surf on the internet on my PC. And read mail etc.
If that is what you want, then yes, it is possible.

Kind regards,
Ed

><SNIP><





From kimaidou at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 10:24:11 2009
From: kimaidou at gmail.com (kimaidou)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:24:11 +0200
Subject: request for audiotagging
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hum, this is a start, indeed. Could someone test it and post screenshots
here (or anywhere else, the wiki is a great start..) ? My freerunner is in
Germany for a buzzfix :(.
Thanks in advance

2009/6/5 Risto H. Kurppa <risto at kurppa.fi>

> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:57 AM, kimaidou<kimaidou at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I really wish we have a tool as OSMtracker for our freerunners :
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSMtracker
> > It has big button, can record audio, etc. . Is there any hope one with
> > coding skills can use it as an example to code a similar GUI and engine ?
>
> See my previous post:
>
> > There's some kind of mapping GUI at
> > http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?view=markup
> > It shows buttons that you can press to add tags in .osm format: speed
> > limits etc.
> >
> > I haven't had a close look at it, it was suggested to me here:
> > http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/my-openmoko-wishlist/#comments (read the
> > comments by pavel)
> >
> > I think it could be extended/completed to be a usable tool, even wehn
> > biking. It doesn't understand the road names etc but is a handy tool
> > to add POI's etc. Someone with .py skill please have a look at it. If
> > one would use this mokomapper with audio recorder, it'd be a powerful
> > combination: the most simple tags you'd get by clicking FR and then
> > read the street names.
>
>
> r
>
>
> --
> | risto h. kurppa
> | risto at kurppa dot fi
> | http://risto.kurppa.fi
>
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From stefan at openmoko.org  Fri Jun  5 11:33:48 2009
From: stefan at openmoko.org (Stefan Schmidt)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:33:48 +0200
Subject: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
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References: <4A27CA73.8060809@techworks.ie> <4A27EB76.7060907@omoco.de>
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Message-ID: <20090605093348.GA4999@dodger.lab.datenfreihafen.org>

Hello.

On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 10:14, Sebastian Hammerl wrote:
> 
> Christian Gagneraud schrieb:
> > Sebastian Hammerl wrote:
> >
> > I've looked at opencellid.org website, and couldn't find any 
> > information concerning the database, how can a user access the data 
> > for example...
> >
> >   
> there is an api documented at the homepage and you can download the raw 
> data.


I bet he has the same issue I still have here with Firefox 3.0.9. The link list
is not viewable.

Try to mark all the text on the page with your mouse and you will discover those
links.

> cellhunter ist not submitting to opencellid yet, because i have to
> prepare the data for that but it will happen.

BTW, what will happen with the ARFCN informations then?

regards
Stefan Schmidt



From cgagneraud at techworks.ie  Fri Jun  5 12:03:24 2009
From: cgagneraud at techworks.ie (Christian Gagneraud)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:03:24 +0100
Subject: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
In-Reply-To: <20090605093348.GA4999@dodger.lab.datenfreihafen.org>
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Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 10:14, Sebastian Hammerl wrote:
>> Christian Gagneraud schrieb:
>>> Sebastian Hammerl wrote:
>>>
>>> I've looked at opencellid.org website, and couldn't find any 
>>> information concerning the database, how can a user access the data 
>>> for example...
>>>
>>>   
>> there is an api documented at the homepage and you can download the raw 
>> data.
> 
> 
> I bet he has the same issue I still have here with Firefox 3.0.9. The link list
> is not viewable.

Well spotted!!! :)

Really, when i visited the web site, i thought it was just an empty 
shell (no information, no docs, no links, nothing...), and i said to 
myself "They should rename their web site notsoopencellid.org"!

But with you trick, the truth appears to me! :)

Thanks,
Chris

> 
> Try to mark all the text on the page with your mouse and you will discover those
> links.
> 
>> cellhunter ist not submitting to opencellid yet, because i have to
>> prepare the data for that but it will happen.
> 
> BTW, what will happen with the ARFCN informations then?
> 
> regards
> Stefan Schmidt
> 
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From laforge at gnumonks.org  Fri Jun  5 12:25:14 2009
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:25:14 +0200
Subject: Mailing list glitch?
In-Reply-To: <20090603191650.GH9823@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A25AC01.6010102@frombob.to>
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Message-ID: <20090605102514.GA4421@prithivi.gnumonks.org>

On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:16:50PM +0200, Harald Welte wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 03:21:26PM -0300, Werner Almesberger wrote:
> > Doug Jones wrote:
> > > Has this bug been there all along?  Does our community's collective 
> > > memory have a hole in it?
> > 
> > Seems that it chopped the mail at the line beginning with "From".
> > Not sure where the rest ended up ...
> 
> It looks like the mailman/pipermail parser is somewhat broken and considers
> every line starting with "^From " as the beginning of a new mail
> (envelope-from).  This is really weird, one would expect this kind of bug in
> the UUCP days of the early 1990ies but not in 2009.

I've now manually patched the mobox archive with a space in front of the "From"
and regenerated the archives to ensure that Sean's post is visible in full
length.

Regards,
-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)


From lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net  Fri Jun  5 12:42:03 2009
From: lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net (Ben Wong)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 03:42:03 -0700
Subject: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz - 
	Quality Enhancement Service
In-Reply-To: <fvkhn8vu2u76gf1dh5UYAxe124vaj_firegpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1244179155.5778.76.camel@x-desk>
	<fvkhn8vu2u76gf1dh5UYAxe124vaj_firegpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47e8c68d0906050342w5c44ffearce24148fd107674d@mail.gmail.com>

I know it's unlikely somebody will accidentally send their phone to
Cranberry, PA, but I'd like to point out that the SDG page for the
rework says,

Send phone(s) to:

    SDG Systems
    Attn: FreeRunner Rework Program
    114 W. Grandview Ave., Suite 1
    Zelienople, PA 16063

--Ben


On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Richy<klemmster at gmail.com> wrote:
> from the website:
>
> Location:
>
> SDG Systems, LLC
> 219 Glen Rape Road
> Cranberry Township, PA 16066
>
> Seems to be in the USA, according to googleMaps.
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 07:19, Max <max at darim.com> wrote:
>>
>> Great to hear that...
>> Btw, where do you actually situated?... at least information about
>> continent you're in would greatly help in estimating shipment costs :)
>>
>> cheers,
>> Max.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From timo.jyrinki at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 12:49:31 2009
From: timo.jyrinki at gmail.com (Timo Jyrinki)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:49:31 +0300
Subject: A7 (was: Tuxbrain offers ...)
In-Reply-To: <B2JmzqLFfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
References: <mailman.13.1244051791.32323.community@lists.openmoko.org>
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2009/6/5 Christoph Pulster <openmoko at pulster.de>:
> A7 = A6 + buzz fix + some minor PCB revisions ?
> If yes, I do not understand, why A7 is announced in some places similar
> to a new major product update worth buying.

Simply because A7 is the first revision that is for sure suitable,
hardware-wise, for every-day calling purposes in 900/1800 frequency
ranges since the buzz fix is included out-of-the-box. According to
tuxbrain's information there are no changes besides the buzz fix and
newer GSM firmware (so no need to update that either separately).

> Release date ? Price ? etc etc

Maybe 3th of June was the kind-of release date, as then it got into
publicity that resellers can order A7? For customers it doesn't matter
if it's a buzz-fixed A6 or a "real" A7, but "A7" is something
customers can search for, knowing that it's buzz-fixed. So adding
"This version is reworked and equal to A7" to existing resellers' A6
pages, if the reseller provides buzz-fixed A6:s, could be beneficial.

> Once again I miss the stressed "openness" in Openmoko's information and
> communication policy.

Me too, the communication channels never actually evolved beyond word
of mouth... in general information is out there but it's not
organized. Browsing community mailing list for bits of information is
what I'd call reseller communications.

-Timo


From timo.jyrinki at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 12:50:49 2009
From: timo.jyrinki at gmail.com (Timo Jyrinki)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:50:49 +0300
Subject: Mailing list glitch?
In-Reply-To: <4A25AC01.6010102@frombob.to>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A25AC01.6010102@frombob.to>
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2009/6/3 Doug Jones <dj6mf at frombob.to>:
> Has this bug been there all along? ?Does our community's collective
> memory have a hole in it?

After Harald now fixed the issue, a proper URL is:

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2009-June/000033.html

-Timo


From www.rzr.online.fr at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 13:03:23 2009
From: www.rzr.online.fr at gmail.com (RzR www.rzr.online.fr)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:03:23 +0200
Subject: boxar : New Audio Application (download or watch video)
In-Reply-To: <f8d5d4f30906020416i7746a823jaac41d7b083f4a12@mail.gmail.com>
References: <78a9ab5d0906011206x7620c42fuaeb7f0433a7e29d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<47e8c68d0906020212h7e196bb9h81441f34c6eba057@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8d5d4f30906020416i7746a823jaac41d7b083f4a12@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78a9ab5d0906050403uec6d0bbraf7cf28fa152fb0e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi thank you for testing , glad you liked this toy

Some users reported that on some distro (OM2009)
it cant start because /dev/dsp is busy... how comes ? something
changes on ESD ?
any hints welcome... I just comited upstream ...

Also any of you tested it on Qtopia based distro ?

To be continued at :
http://rzr.online.fr/q/esd


Now , Some comments

==== about nokia + maemo ===

I think there are a couple of neat software to be ported from/to maemo
maybe a cooperation team would be appreciated ...

BTW, did you check that Nokia is about to release a TRUE linux Phone :
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=293687&postcount=1076

I Will post something neat soon ... be patient

=== about boxar ===

@Yorick:
http://www.opkg.org/package_228.html

@Ben:
I am sure sound lag can be tuned, because it even lag on the desktop ...
check the sources

@Jeremy: cam
Yes I noticed it sucked but was too lazy to make it again :-)

-- 
Related Obsession : http://rzr.online.fr/q/openmoko


From bunbun at kd85.com  Fri Jun  5 13:20:33 2009
From: bunbun at kd85.com (Wim Vandeputte Mailing list only)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:20:33 +0200
Subject: LinuxTag 24-27 June Berlin
In-Reply-To: <68da43e00906050349v6f7e9552ta675bebec4644902@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.13.1244051791.32323.community@lists.openmoko.org>
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Hey,

In order to offer some 'safe haven' for Openmoko users, I have applied for
an Openmoko.org booth at LinuxTag. 

Unfortunatly due to space (and budget) constraints, there is no full booth,
but I'm offering half of my existing OpenBSD booth, so both are in

Halle 7.2b, Stand 111

I'll bring my workshop phones for people to play with but if there are other
people who want to bring anything they want to show to the visitors, I'm looking
for volunteers who want to do a shift and talk to people about Openmoko.

Perhaps you want to show off your Openmoko project? Help people install SHR on
their phone? Do onsite Buzz-fix? 

I'm open for suggestions ;-)

Pierre Pronchery (Bearstech) will also be there and he'll give a talk in the
free track about "Hackable Devices: the new possibilities of open hardware"

http://www.linuxtag.org/2009/en/program/freies-vortragsprogramm/all-speakers/details.html?talkid=631

on Friday (17-18h)

Perhaps one evening we could all meet up and have dinner nearby?

Anyways, mail me and I'll try and coordinate things a bit.

Wim.


From matthiasfelsche at web.de  Fri Jun  5 13:53:14 2009
From: matthiasfelsche at web.de (matthias)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:53:14 +0200
Subject: request for audiotagging
In-Reply-To: <200906050316.26744.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <4A282B43.3020105@gmail.com>	<f8d5d4f30906041654v905f5b9wd69c8e8c10feede1@mail.gmail.com>
	<200906050316.26744.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
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Well, dictators author, that's me.
I'm about to add a feature to correlate your voicenotes to gps-coords
via a textfile. that's all i can do with dictator. my freerunner is
about to be buzz-fixed near munich, so i can't make any progress on this
now.

recording in background during your whole osm-mapping-ride will produce
a huge wav-file which won't fit onto a regular sd-card. so beware of that.
> I usually stop and take notes on dead tree from time to time instead.
>   
that's the method. while walking i even don't have to stop.

Any hint on how to make the created textfile more usable with the most
common osm-tools would be fine! :)

matthias
> On Friday 05 June 2009, jeremy jozwik wrote:
>   
>> im a regular to the OSM, but have never tried audiotagging. my guess is
>> that this could be done with dictator running in the background behind
>> tango or omgps. though im not sure if background recording works.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM, ivvmm <unachievable at gmail.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> Hello list,
>>>
>>> are there any OpenStreetMappers here? How to you map. I find it nearly
>>> impossible.
>>>
>>> The map in our region is rather pour and needs expanding. It is being
>>> done only by two persons, although we have drawn all the streets and
>>> many buildings in native town. We have named streets, because we do
>>> remember their names. Numbered some of the houses ? that is already
>>> hard. You have to print on a piece of paper the map. And go on foot
>>> around your town and just write down the numbers of houses. That is very
>>> inconvenient, because it is slow and you can only do that on foot. No
>>> bicycle, no car because you will have to stop many times.
>>>
>>> So what's about suburbs? It is pretty undrawn. Don't know even the names
>>> of streets there. So a single thing could to do is just ride them all
>>> and put on a map at home using GPS tracks.
>>>
>>> Much more could be done with audio tagging. Please, could someone extend
>>> either TangoGPS or omgps? That will be cutting more power from battery,
>>> but that will also help more. Maybe some voice autodetection(by
>>> detecting loud noise for example). And using speex codec for minimum
>>> size?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> p.s. yesterday one my friend read the name of omgps as 'OMG ps?'
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Openmoko community mailing list
>>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>>       
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>   


From matthiasfelsche at web.de  Fri Jun  5 14:01:11 2009
From: matthiasfelsche at web.de (matthias)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:01:11 +0200
Subject: LinuxTag 24-27 June Berlin
In-Reply-To: <20090605112033.GA13130@rho.kd85.com>
References: <mailman.13.1244051791.32323.community@lists.openmoko.org>	<B2JmzqLFfTB@cpu.pulster.de>	<68da43e00906050349v6f7e9552ta675bebec4644902@mail.gmail.com>
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> I'm open for suggestions ;-)
What about having every distro available on one freerunner/neo1973?
That makes about 11 freerunners (om2007.2, om2008(FDOM), om2009, SHR,
Android, pure debian, Hackable:1, neovento, gentoo, Qtextended, openwrt).

Wouldn't that be a powerful presentation of how free this piece of
hardware is?
I'd provide my freerunner for that.

matthias


From robin.paulson at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 14:01:51 2009
From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 00:01:51 +1200
Subject: request for audiotagging
In-Reply-To: <4A29072A.2010509@web.de>
References: <4A282B43.3020105@gmail.com>
	<f8d5d4f30906041654v905f5b9wd69c8e8c10feede1@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4A29072A.2010509@web.de>
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2009/6/5 matthias <matthiasfelsche at web.de>:
> recording in background during your whole osm-mapping-ride will produce
> a huge wav-file which won't fit onto a regular sd-card. so beware of that.

22kHz, 1 channel, 16 bit is 2.5MB/min - this is more than good enough
quality for picking out words, etc

a two hour trip would be ~280Mb. no problem

we could probably go down to 11kHz, 8 bit, and not have problems -
this would be 35MB/hr

or, to save more space, would the freerunner be capable of encoding mp3?


From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Fri Jun  5 14:28:54 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:28:54 +0100
Subject: request for audiotagging
In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770906050501y178d1ef0ob563d7bda4726da9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A282B43.3020105@gmail.com> <4A29072A.2010509@web.de>
	<2f3aa2770906050501y178d1ef0ob563d7bda4726da9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200906051328.54699.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Friday 05 June 2009, Robin Paulson wrote:
> 2009/6/5 matthias <matthiasfelsche at web.de>:
> > recording in background during your whole osm-mapping-ride will produce
> > a huge wav-file which won't fit onto a regular sd-card. so beware of
> > that.
>
> 22kHz, 1 channel, 16 bit is 2.5MB/min - this is more than good enough
> quality for picking out words, etc
>
> a two hour trip would be ~280Mb. no problem
>
> we could probably go down to 11kHz, 8 bit, and not have problems -
> this would be 35MB/hr
>
> or, to save more space, would the freerunner be capable of encoding mp3?

I don't see why not, although a voice-specific codec like speex or gsm might 
be better.



From pino.otto at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 14:34:10 2009
From: pino.otto at gmail.com (Giovanni)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:34:10 +0200
Subject: LinuxTag 24-27 June Berlin
In-Reply-To: <4A290907.60408@web.de>
References: <mailman.13.1244051791.32323.community@lists.openmoko.org>
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You forgot Slackware, with ArmedSlack:
http://www.armedslack.org/

:)



On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:01 PM, matthias <matthiasfelsche at web.de> wrote:

>
> > I'm open for suggestions ;-)
> What about having every distro available on one freerunner/neo1973?
> That makes about 11 freerunners (om2007.2, om2008(FDOM), om2009, SHR,
> Android, pure debian, Hackable:1, neovento, gentoo, Qtextended, openwrt).
>
> Wouldn't that be a powerful presentation of how free this piece of
> hardware is?
> I'd provide my freerunner for that.
>
> matthias
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From unachievable at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 14:39:57 2009
From: unachievable at gmail.com (ivvmm)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:39:57 +0400
Subject: request for audiotagging
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matthias wrote:
> Well, dictators author, that's me.

Hello, thank you very much for your app!

> 
> recording in background during your whole osm-mapping-ride will produce
> a huge wav-file which won't fit onto a regular sd-card. so beware of that.

Please, make it produce not wave, not flac, not mp3 not ogg. Make it
produce speex for speed and very little space. It was designed for
voice. Visit http://www.speex.org/ for more information about it. It is
a free-as-in-freedom codec developed by those who developed ogg vorbis
codec.

Thank you.

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From risto at kurppa.fi  Fri Jun  5 14:50:23 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:50:23 +0300
Subject: LinuxTag 24-27 June Berlin
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> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:01 PM, matthias <matthiasfelsche at web.de> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm open for suggestions ;-)
>> What about having every distro available on one freerunner/neo1973?
>> That makes about 11 freerunners (om2007.2, om2008(FDOM), om2009, SHR,
>> Android, pure debian, Hackable:1, neovento, gentoo, Qtextended, openwrt).

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Giovanni<pino.otto at gmail.com> wrote:
> You forgot Slackware, with ArmedSlack:
> http://www.armedslack.org/
>
> :)

I think you forgot also some other distributions, some are listed
here, some not: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions

I don't know why would you show the unsupported, old, broken
distributions like OM2007 or OM2008.. But as an idea it's great to
show what are the things FR can do, but if you do, please either show
something that works most of the time so the people trying it get the
feeling they have something that works (-> the reason I wouldn't
recommend you showing broken software that crashes etc etc..).

I think it's important for us to take FR to 'places it has not been
before', reach new people slowly, as the software matures, as FR:s are
still available, and especially when there's no need for buzzfixes
made by customer..


r

-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Fri Jun  5 14:52:39 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:52:39 +0100
Subject: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
In-Reply-To: <B2Jm-4HVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
References: <B2Jm-4HVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
Message-ID: <200906051352.39550.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Friday 05 June 2009, Christoph Pulster wrote:
> > It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in
> > support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with
> > support in areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal
> > side (trademarks).
>
> Please remember the patent infridgements concerning MP3 (www.sisvel.it).
> Openmoko Inc. did not solve this issue until today.
> As a result, all sales inside EU are patent infridgments, all reseller
> inside EU community have to live with the fact, that local customs seize
> their Freerunner order anytime.

Openmoko removed the mp3 codecs from the images they supply, and from their 
repositories, causing frustration for many. I don't know what image they now 
ship with, but would be surprised if they haven't removed the mp3 codecs from 
that too. If it doesn't contain the codec it can't infringe the patent. What 
more do you expect them to do?





From djdas at djdas.net  Fri Jun  5 14:54:01 2009
From: djdas at djdas.net (DJDAS)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:54:01 +0200
Subject: LinuxTag 24-27 June Berlin
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Giovanni ha scritto:
> You forgot Slackware, with ArmedSlack:
> http://www.armedslack.org/
>
> :)

Sorry for my ignorance....but either in the wiki or ML I read about this 
distro and subscribed to the armedslack ML but there is no place where 
Freerunner is considered to run it, can someone point me for an 
installer/howto?
Thank you in advance


From matthiasfelsche at web.de  Fri Jun  5 15:04:03 2009
From: matthiasfelsche at web.de (matthias)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:04:03 +0200
Subject: LinuxTag 24-27 June Berlin
In-Reply-To: <fe72b0050906050534r73bfc27cpe715c452113cf124@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.13.1244051791.32323.community@lists.openmoko.org>	<B2JmzqLFfTB@cpu.pulster.de>	<68da43e00906050349v6f7e9552ta675bebec4644902@mail.gmail.com>	<20090605112033.GA13130@rho.kd85.com>
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Message-ID: <4A2917C3.30701@web.de>

argggh! Sorry!

Giovanni schrieb:
> You forgot Slackware, with ArmedSlack:
> http://www.armedslack.org/
>
> :)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:01 PM, matthias <matthiasfelsche at web.de
> <mailto:matthiasfelsche at web.de>> wrote:
>
>
>     > I'm open for suggestions ;-)
>     What about having every distro available on one freerunner/neo1973?
>     That makes about 11 freerunners (om2007.2, om2008(FDOM), om2009, SHR,
>     Android, pure debian, Hackable:1, neovento, gentoo, Qtextended,
>     openwrt).
>
>     Wouldn't that be a powerful presentation of how free this piece of
>     hardware is?
>     I'd provide my freerunner for that.
>
>     matthias
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Openmoko community mailing list
>     community at lists.openmoko.org <mailto:community at lists.openmoko.org>
>     http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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>   


From chris at csamuel.org  Fri Jun  5 15:03:35 2009
From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 23:03:35 +1000
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <200906052303.39251.chris@csamuel.org>

On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 05:02:29 am Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:

> It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-)

Thanks so much for all this work Franky, et. al!

One thing I've noticed (after playing around with the other distros) is that 
it seems like QtMoko takes a lot longer to resume from suspend than my older 
2.6.24 based QtEI I was running (though the other bug fixes more than make up 
for it!).

If I try the older kernel (uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin) will 
that break anything in the QtMoko image or install ?

cheers,
Chris
-- 
 Chris Samuel  :  http://www.csamuel.org/  :  Melbourne, VIC

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From david at tuxbrain.com  Fri Jun  5 15:16:24 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:16:24 +0200
Subject: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
In-Reply-To: <200906051352.39550.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <5c6ceea80906050616v559c23dfs2d1788038de4df74@mail.gmail.com>

pattens as are now a days is a real PITA, no matter if you don't have
the libraries installed in the device,if you are cached by those
pirate... sorry pattens agencies in customs they just have to say to
the court the device is suitable to play mp3 and you don't have
license, and your parcel will be retained for months/years, no matter
the court final decision, you as reseller are fucked because you have
payed for a material you cannot touch. So orl you arrive an agreement
with the agency (+money,-less time) or wait for the lottery of the
court and cross your fingers to have a judge a little bit more techy
than the average, because if not, your parcel will be returned by
default, and if the judge has a bad day you surely will pay a penalty.

Once was said OM was in sue trying to resolve this but I have no more
info on that for a long time.

2009/6/5 Al Johnson <openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk>:
> On Friday 05 June 2009, Christoph Pulster wrote:
>> > It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in
>> > support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with
>> > support in areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal
>> > side (trademarks).
>>
>> Please remember the patent infridgements concerning MP3 (www.sisvel.it).
>> Openmoko Inc. did not solve this issue until today.
>> As a result, all sales inside EU are patent infridgments, all reseller
>> inside EU community have to live with the fact, that local customs seize
>> their Freerunner order anytime.
>
> Openmoko removed the mp3 codecs from the images they supply, and from their
> repositories, causing frustration for many. I don't know what image they now
> ship with, but would be surprised if they haven't removed the mp3 codecs from
> that too. If it doesn't contain the codec it can't infringe the patent. What
> more do you expect them to do?
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



-- 
David Reyes Samblas Martinez
http://www.tuxbrain.com
Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!


From bfuller at sdgsystems.com  Fri Jun  5 15:18:40 2009
From: bfuller at sdgsystems.com (Brian Fuller)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:18:40 -0400
Subject: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz -
	Quality	Enhancement Service
In-Reply-To: <A101CFA88332EB4E8E11A80983B2CE30011807C0DD@EX7FM02.ad.uky.edu>
References: <41906F23-94A2-4407-A017-50FDABEF2BA6@sdgsystems.com>
	<A101CFA88332EB4E8E11A80983B2CE30011807C0DD@EX7FM02.ad.uky.edu>
Message-ID: <5BADFD89-9452-4A7A-9A42-A3B498E64A1C@sdgsystems.com>

Hi Dan.

We are glad to be able to help with the resolution of this issue.   
Regarding the invisible shield, if it's not easily removed we will  
carefully work around it but cannot guarantee that it will not be  
damaged during the repair.

In regard to the other fixes you mentioned, since we do not have the  
specs for those fixes, we will not be able to complete them for you.

Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Thanks,
Brian

On Jun 5, 2009, at 1:16 AM, Staley, Daniel L wrote:

> Thank you for doing this!
> I have a full body invisible shield on my freerunner, is this okay  
> to send in?  It can still be opened per usual, but I just wanted to  
> make sure it was okay first.
>
> Is there any way we could perhaps pay extra and get the GPS  
> capacitor, Bass Fix, and Recamping fix as well?
> If not, thats fine....the buzz fix is really the only one that  
> matters....the others have good enough software work-arounds.
>
> Thanks again!
> -Dan Staley
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Brian Fuller [bfuller at sdgsystems.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 5:07 PM
> To: community at lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz -  
> Quality    Enhancement Service
>
> Hello Openmoko Community!
>
> As users of the Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6, you
> may have experienced an audio buzz while making a phone call.
> Openmoko has identified the issue and upgraded the hardware to fix
> this issue.  The GTA02 version A7 phones are now available and include
> this fix.
>
> In response to this audio buzz issue, Openmoko has implemented a
> program by which owners of GTA02 version A5 & A6 FreeRunners can have
> their phones reworked to an electrical revision similar to version
> A7.  All owners of version A5 & A6 FreeRunners are eligible for this
> program. SDG Systems (SDG), the US Master Distributor of the
> FreeRunner, will be performing the necessary revision work.
>
> To review the details of this program and to participate, please go to
> the SDG online store located at www.sdgsystems.com, select Openmoko on
> the Catalog page, select "Buy Now" for the Neo FreeRunner versions A5
> & A6 Audio Buzz - Quality Enhancement Service, and complete the
> registration and checkout process.  For each phone returned for
> rework, you will receive a complimentary FreeRunner replacement
> battery to offset your shipping fees.  For those interested in
> purchasing additional phones, coupon code 5CZ8HT54, redeemable only at
> the SDG online store, is available for $30 off the retail price of
> $389 for the version A7 FreeRunner.  The coupon code has no quantity
> restrictions and expires on 7/31/09.
>
> Participants' phones needing reworked MUST be returned to SDG by
> Wednesday, July 15, 2009, to qualify for this program.
>
> For any additional assistance or questions, please email buzzfix at sdgsystems.com
> .
>
> We appreciate your cooperation as we work to resolve this matter.
>
> Sincerely,
> SDG Systems & Koolu, Inc.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


Brian Fuller
SDG Systems (http://sdgsystems.com/)
Main:  1-724-452-9366
Direct:  1-724-647-0119 Ext. 107







From chris at csamuel.org  Fri Jun  5 15:36:31 2009
From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 23:36:31 +1000
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <200906052303.39251.chris@csamuel.org>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<200906052303.39251.chris@csamuel.org>
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On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:03:35 pm Chris Samuel wrote:

> If I try the older kernel (uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin) will
> that break anything in the QtMoko image or install ?

Well I've just given it a shot and it feels like it's roughly halved the 
amount of time it takes the phone to resume, which is great!

-- 
 Chris Samuel  :  http://www.csamuel.org/  :  Melbourne, VIC

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From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Fri Jun  5 15:43:36 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:43:36 +0100
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In-Reply-To: <267bb6670906042313h3a050823xfbfcc7d98fbdb665@mail.gmail.com>
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On Friday 05 June 2009, a dehqan wrote:
> In The Name Of God
>
> Thanks alot for your attentions ;
> 1- There is need a phone with a good sound power to have listening voice
> with headphone ,have calls, recieve and dial ,send and receive sms in
> persian language (farsi) , as for these needs first > does neo freeruner
> fulfill these needs ?

Sound is generally equivalent to other phones I have used, but changing the 
volume settings if the provided ones don't suit you is not simple yet. There 
are a few problems to be aware of with sound too:
* Buzz - Under some circumstances the person at the other end of the call may 
hear buzz as well as your voice. This can vary from quiet to loud. There is a 
fix for this on the handset mic, but not for the wired headset. You should 
check with the reseller that you are buying one with the fix applied.
* Weak bass on wired headset - this is not a problem for voice, but isn't so 
good for music. 
A workaround for the wired headset problems is to use a bluetooth headset, but 
AFAIK none of the distros has a GUI for this yet.

The current distros generally send and receive calls and SMS without too many 
problems, though bugs do crop up from time to time as some of the software is 
changing quickly. Some people are happy to use it as an everyday phone, while 
for others it is missing features they consider vital. There is no general 
agreement on which is best, though Qtopia is probably most similar to a 
conventional phone. If you are expecting something that has a polished 
interface and behaves like a conventional smartphone you will be disappointed. 
If you want a small handheld computer with phone capabilities and an 
unprecedented level of control, but which requires some dedication to get the 
best out of, you will probably be happy.

I can't comment on whether it is usable with farsi, but it is possible nobody 
has tried.



From liedekef at telenet.be  Fri Jun  5 15:56:14 2009
From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:56:14 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <200906052336.34328.chris@csamuel.org>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<200906052303.39251.chris@csamuel.org>
	<200906052336.34328.chris@csamuel.org>
Message-ID: <60567dcc0906050656y40fa03cj651b4fef24d0df9@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Chris Samuel <chris at csamuel.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:03:35 pm Chris Samuel wrote:
>
>> If I try the older kernel (uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin) will
>> that break anything in the QtMoko image or install ?
>
> Well I've just given it a shot and it feels like it's roughly halved the
> amount of time it takes the phone to resume, which is great!

well, there we're indeed dependent on the kernel itself. Is this a
stable 2.6.28-based kernel?

Frabjt


From matthiasfelsche at web.de  Fri Jun  5 16:35:01 2009
From: matthiasfelsche at web.de (matthias)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:35:01 +0200
Subject: request for audiotagging
In-Reply-To: <4A29121D.7040005@gmail.com>
References: <4A282B43.3020105@gmail.com>	<f8d5d4f30906041654v905f5b9wd69c8e8c10feede1@mail.gmail.com>	<200906050316.26744.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>	<4A29072A.2010509@web.de>
	<4A29121D.7040005@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A292D15.5030506@web.de>

I tried to get ogg-encoding working, but as I'm limitted to Python and
the python-wrapper for ogg-encoding simply do not work when it comes to
encoding, i gave it up.
I know about speex but until now there was no chance to get pyspeex on
my freerunner.
If there's anything I've missed, making speex-encoding really easy to
do, please please please point me towards that.

matthias

ivvmm schrieb:
> matthias wrote:
>   
>> Well, dictators author, that's me.
>>     
>
> Hello, thank you very much for your app!
>
>   
>> recording in background during your whole osm-mapping-ride will produce
>> a huge wav-file which won't fit onto a regular sd-card. so beware of that.
>>     
>
> Please, make it produce not wave, not flac, not mp3 not ogg. Make it
> produce speex for speed and very little space. It was designed for
> voice. Visit http://www.speex.org/ for more information about it. It is
> a free-as-in-freedom codec developed by those who developed ogg vorbis
> codec.
>
> Thank you.
>
>   
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>   


From nad.oby at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 17:20:52 2009
From: nad.oby at gmail.com (Evgeniy Ginzburg)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 19:20:52 +0400
Subject: OM translation
In-Reply-To: <f133b9ad0906050358h8a875d5l37a7a45009e40b80@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f133b9ad0906050358h8a875d5l37a7a45009e40b80@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46f27d5a0906050820u4056e832j882cbaa70b4b5019@mail.gmail.com>

Forgot to add community in firsc reply

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Denis Ceh <ai.boxtech.admin at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I am new here and i would like to help you  to develop OM. For the first
> step i would like to make translation of applications to slovenian language.
> So i would be glad to give me some main streams how i can help you. A long
> time ago i was involved to help to translate Mandrake Linux and e107 web
> portal.
>
> Friendly regards,
>
> Denis C.
>

Hi, Dennis.

So for now it's not much you can do.
OM Oficial (Paroli) for now don't translatable - gettext support will be
added later, I think.

You can help in SHR translation.

Just do
----------------------------
git clone http://shr.bearstech.com/repo/shr-settings.git shr-settings
git clone http://shr.bearstech.com/repo/shr.git shr
find shr* -name *.po*
----------------------------
You'll see.

There is plenty of applications here [1], most of devs happy to include
translations.
Try to browse [2] to.
[1] http://www.opkg.org/
[2] http://projects.openmoko.org/

Regards, Evgeniy.

-- 
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From nad.oby at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 17:37:27 2009
From: nad.oby at gmail.com (Evgeniy Ginzburg)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 19:37:27 +0400
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In-Reply-To: <267bb6670906042313h3a050823xfbfcc7d98fbdb665@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6670906041041r4315440cw2948382178e4e73e@mail.gmail.com>
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2009/6/5 a dehqan <dehqan65 at gmail.com>

> In The Name Of God
>
> Thanks alot for your attentions ;
> 1- There is need a phone with a good sound power to have listening voice
> with headphone ,have calls, recieve and dial ,send and receive sms in
> persian language (farsi) , as for these needs first > does neo freeruner
> fulfill these needs ? second> if yes ,which one of android , shr ,debian ,
> qtopia are better for these needs ?
>
> 2-Where can Freerunner be bought with minimum price ,in europ and asia ?
>
> 3-Can we have stream gprs from phone to p

c by bluetooth by FR ?
> How about sending and receiving sms in persian language (farsi) on FR ?
>

There general problem with RTL languages (Farsi, Hebrew, Arabic) in all
illume based distros (OM2009 SHR, FSO), it's being solved but can't say
where this work will finished.
Debian have decent support for Farsi AFAIK. But I dont know about telephony
apps.
For sending SMS/E-mail you have to use Farsi onscreen keyboard, I havn't
seen one, but it's relatively easy to make one.

Regards, Evgeniy.

-- 
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From dehqan65 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 17:48:40 2009
From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (a dehqan)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:18:40 +0430
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In-Reply-To: <200906051443.36607.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
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In The Name Of God

Thanks alot for your exact attentions ;
Yes kapetein that was the need .

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Al Johnson
<openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> On Friday 05 June 2009, a dehqan wrote:
> > In The Name Of God
> >
> > Thanks alot for your attentions ;
> > 1- There is need a phone with a good sound power to have listening voice
> > with headphone ,have calls, recieve and dial ,send and receive sms in
> > persian language (farsi) , as for these needs first > does neo freeruner
> > fulfill these needs ?
>
> Sound is generally equivalent to other phones I have used, but changing the
> volume settings if the provided ones don't suit you is not simple yet. There
> are a few problems to be aware of with sound too:
> * Buzz - Under some circumstances the person at the other end of the call may
> hear buzz as well as your voice. This can vary from quiet to loud. There is a
> fix for this on the handset mic, but not for the wired headset. You should
> check with the reseller that you are buying one with the fix applied.
> * Weak bass on wired headset - this is not a problem for voice, but isn't so
> good for music.
> A workaround for the wired headset problems is to use a bluetooth headset, but
> AFAIK none of the distros has a GUI for this yet.
ok no problem with not being gui .
>
> The current distros generally send and receive calls and SMS without too many
> problems, though bugs do crop up from time to time as some of the software is
> changing quickly. Some people are happy to use it as an everyday phone, while
> for others it is missing features they consider vital. There is no general
> agreement on which is best, though Qtopia is probably most similar to a
> conventional phone. If you are expecting something that has a polished
> interface and behaves like a conventional smartphone you will be disappointed.
> If you want a small handheld computer with phone capabilities and an
> unprecedented level of control, but which requires some dedication to get the
> best out of, you will probably be happy.
no gui is not important for me ,just there is need some time in day to
have safe call ,send and rec sms and voice .
but another question ,how about androide ?koolu has been installed on it ...

anda how about price ,what do you think ,will it's price decrease ?
where can Fr with min price be found ?under 330$ ?

> I can't comment on whether it is usable with farsi, but it is possible nobody
> has tried.
yes but no problem if openmoko will be better and stable in future .
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Regards dehqan


From frazier.cameron at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 18:23:37 2009
From: frazier.cameron at gmail.com (Cameron Frazier)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:23:37 -0400
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.20
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>>>The toolbar in illume's settings is easier to use because it doesn't
> scroll vertically.
>>
> ?I know. But I don't know how to stop that.
>
> Michael Zanetti wrote:
>>
>>>I've noticed this in other apps too. All lists scoll slower if the
>>>smooth-bounce-back-at-end feature is enabled.
>>
> ?Can't seem to stop that either. Hmmm. Help Needed!
>

in python it's[1]:

sc = elementary.Scroller(parent)
sc.bounce_set(bool X, bool Y)

in c (derived from [1], look at the bottom):

elm_scroller_bounce_set(self.obj, h_bounce, v_bounce)


[1] http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/BINDINGS/python/python-elementary/elementary/elementary.c_elementary_scroller.pxi

Hope that helps,

Cameron 'Toaster' Frazier


From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 18:28:07 2009
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:28:07 +0200
Subject: boxar : New Audio Application (download or watch video)
In-Reply-To: <78a9ab5d0906050403uec6d0bbraf7cf28fa152fb0e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <78a9ab5d0906011206x7620c42fuaeb7f0433a7e29d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<47e8c68d0906020212h7e196bb9h81441f34c6eba057@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8d5d4f30906020416i7746a823jaac41d7b083f4a12@mail.gmail.com>
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jup, already tried it: i like it

On 6/5/09, RzR www.rzr.online.fr <www.rzr.online.fr at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi thank you for testing , glad you liked this toy
>
> Some users reported that on some distro (OM2009)
> it cant start because /dev/dsp is busy... how comes ? something
> changes on ESD ?
> any hints welcome... I just comited upstream ...
>
> Also any of you tested it on Qtopia based distro ?
>
> To be continued at :
> http://rzr.online.fr/q/esd
>
>
> Now , Some comments
>
> ==== about nokia + maemo ===
>
> I think there are a couple of neat software to be ported from/to maemo
> maybe a cooperation team would be appreciated ...
>
> BTW, did you check that Nokia is about to release a TRUE linux Phone :
> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=293687&postcount=1076
>
> I Will post something neat soon ... be patient
>
> === about boxar ===
>
> @Yorick:
> http://www.opkg.org/package_228.html
>
> @Ben:
> I am sure sound lag can be tuned, because it even lag on the desktop ...
> check the sources
>
> @Jeremy: cam
> Yes I noticed it sucked but was too lazy to make it again :-)
>
> --
> Related Obsession : http://rzr.online.fr/q/openmoko
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From mail at 3v1n0.net  Fri Jun  5 18:54:44 2009
From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:54:44 +0200
Subject: Popping up virtual keyboards via PyGTK, double click rate
In-Reply-To: <200906050306.49571.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <4A2814D7.10507@blue-labs.org>
	<200906050306.49571.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <h0bhq2$v5s$1@ger.gmane.org>

Al Johnson wrote:
> On Thursday 04 June 2009, David Ford wrote:
>> I've been told that telling the widget to grab the focus should pop up
>> the virtual keyboard, but it has yet to happen.
> 
> Not quite - it responds to various X atoms being set. This post has some more 
> info, including c code. You may need to check the illume source for the 
> complete list of atoms.
> http://www.mail-archive.com/community at lists.openmoko.org/msg41666.html
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Well, if you don't want to implement this only for an application, you
only have to add the libmb-im-invoker.so under the gtk lib immodules
dir. It's included in the opkg package matchbox-keyboard-im.

By the way the gtk libraries have a bug, since they don't allow the
keyboard to pop-up (i.e. don't send the "focus" callback) if the
selected entry has no visibility (i.e. if it is a password field).

Bye

-- 
Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux
http://www.3v1n0.net/



From onen.om at free.fr  Fri Jun  5 19:07:17 2009
From: onen.om at free.fr (Onen)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:07:17 +0200
Subject: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
In-Reply-To: <4A27EB76.7060907@omoco.de>
References: <4A27CA73.8060809@techworks.ie> <4A27EB76.7060907@omoco.de>
Message-ID: <4A2950C5.7090700@free.fr>

Hi,

Sebastian Hammerl wrote:
> about the conversion I cannot help you because I don't know the openbmap
> format.
> 

This is most probably doable, just a matter of converting it. What 
annoys me, is that ch will upload to oci, we will import oci data on 
regular basis. If we import the data from ch, we have to detect ch data 
in oci data when importing. Which makes more work.

> I talked with the openbmap owner about collaborating and got to the
> result that it will only happen in the way that openbmap can use the
> cellhunter data. I will not combine these two databases. There are some
> mails here around with reasons for that.
> 

Please see the email from Stefan, about elaborating on this.

> But cellhunter will cooperate with opencellid.org which is as far as I
> know the largest open cellid database.

Not anymore, now that we have the data from oci, obm is the largest 
database ;-) . Why did we import it? We think the data from oci could be 
of better quality with some additions. So far, we could not get an 
agreement about this from Thomas. So we still aim at people logging 
through obm for better quality. But to propose right now the best 
coverage to our users, we use oci data too, where no obm data is 
available. But the idea is to replace it with obm data with time, as it 
comes in.

  And my opinion is that everyone
> should submit the data via cellhunter or something else to this database
> so there is one global one. Only with a good cover all over the world
> this data gets usefull.
> 

I disagree. Without a good quality, you will end up with lot of data 
(possibly) unuseful because less accurate, or corrupted (through buggy 
logging software, for example). Coverage is not the key by itself.
And we proposed to merge our database in oci (with the extra fields we 
are interested in), but we did not get an answer about this. So if we 
upload to oci, we can only upload the smaller number of supported 
fields, thus we help building a less accurate database than we have. It 
does not make any sense to me.

> I just saw that openbmaps imports the opencellid data so there will be
> the cellhunter data in in future.
> 

Cool, you make the announcement for us ;-) Joke aside, Nick is finishing 
testing it, that is the reason we did not talk about this so far.

Onen



From onen.om at free.fr  Fri Jun  5 19:10:52 2009
From: onen.om at free.fr (Onen)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:10:52 +0200
Subject: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
In-Reply-To: <4A27CA73.8060809@techworks.ie>
References: <4A27CA73.8060809@techworks.ie>
Message-ID: <4A29519C.8020207@free.fr>

Hi,

Christian Gagneraud wrote:
> I'm using cellhunter since few month, with which i have gathered some 
> data (1646 cells so far here in Ireland) and uploaded to their server.

Thanks for the contributions!

> I would like to give a try with OpenBmap, is there a way to convert 
> data from CH to OBM and upload them to OBM server?

Please see my response in the other email (about detecting ch data in 
importing oci if we import ch data too).

> I know that OBM log more details than CH but i guess that CH's data 
> are still usable by OBM.
> 

That is correct. And if the ch data ends up in oci, then we will import 
it indirectly.

Onen



From dehqan65 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 19:52:08 2009
From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (a dehqan)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:22:08 +0430
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In-Reply-To: <46f27d5a0906050837p458319b4x6b62aa760b1b73e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6670906041041r4315440cw2948382178e4e73e@mail.gmail.com>
	<ffce06340906041052t3092498eo88dedceeb6cbda4f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200906050146.47451.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<267bb6670906042313h3a050823xfbfcc7d98fbdb665@mail.gmail.com>
	<46f27d5a0906050837p458319b4x6b62aa760b1b73e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <267bb6670906051052l6ec36b8ekffa2e2c4ff8297b3@mail.gmail.com>

In The Name Of God

Thanks alot ;
Isn't there arabic keyboard else ?
would you tell what are the problems ?
Now is it possible to send arabic or farsi sms or not ?
I'm not programmer and maybe can not  do anything for that .

Regards dehqan

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Evgeniy Ginzburg<nad.oby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> 2009/6/5 a dehqan <dehqan65 at gmail.com>
>>
>> In The Name Of God
>>
>> Thanks alot for your attentions ;
>> 1- There is need a phone with a good sound power to have listening voice
>> with headphone ,have calls, recieve and dial ,send and receive sms in
>> persian language (farsi) , as for these needs first > does neo freeruner
>> fulfill these needs ? second> if yes ,which one of android , shr ,debian ,
>> qtopia are better for these needs ?
>>
>> 2-Where can Freerunner be bought with minimum price ,in europ and asia ?
>>
>> 3-Can we have stream gprs from phone to p
>>
>> c by bluetooth by FR ?
>> How about sending and receiving sms in persian language (farsi) on FR ?
>
> There general problem with RTL languages (Farsi, Hebrew, Arabic) in all
> illume based distros (OM2009 SHR, FSO), it's being solved but can't say
> where this work will finished.
> Debian have decent support for Farsi AFAIK. But I dont know about telephony
> apps.
> For sending SMS/E-mail you have to use Farsi onscreen keyboard, I havn't
> seen one, but it's relatively easy to make one.
>
> Regards, Evgeniy.
>
> --
> So long, and thanks for all the fish.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>


From dj6mf at frombob.to  Fri Jun  5 20:08:35 2009
From: dj6mf at frombob.to (Doug Jones)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:08:35 -0700
Subject: Mailing list glitch?
In-Reply-To: <20090603191650.GH9823@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>	<4A25AC01.6010102@frombob.to>	<20090603182126.GC4625@almesberger.net>
	<20090603191650.GH9823@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <4A295F23.4000600@frombob.to>

Harald Welte wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 03:21:26PM -0300, Werner Almesberger wrote:
>> Doug Jones wrote:
>>> Has this bug been there all along?  Does our community's collective 
>>> memory have a hole in it?
>> Seems that it chopped the mail at the line beginning with "From".
>> Not sure where the rest ended up ...
> 
> It looks like the mailman/pipermail parser is somewhat broken and considers
> every line starting with "^From " as the beginning of a new mail
> (envelope-from).  This is really weird, one would expect this kind of bug in
> the UUCP days of the early 1990ies but not in 2009.
> 

This is a test message.
 >From this point on, will it be truncated in the archive?


I did a cursory search of the mailman-user archives:

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

but didn't find any reference to this bug.  I suppose we should report 
it to them.

Apparently they don't have a bug tracker, just the lists.  I imagine the 
code doesn't change very often.



From steve at openmoko.com  Fri Jun  5 20:09:10 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:09:10 -0700
Subject: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz -
	Quality Enhancement Service
In-Reply-To: <1244179155.5778.76.camel@x-desk>
References: <41906F23-94A2-4407-A017-50FDABEF2BA6@sdgsystems.com>
	<1244179155.5778.76.camel@x-desk>
Message-ID: <4A295F46.80601@openmoko>

Max wrote:
> Great to hear that...
> Btw, where do you actually situated?... at least information about
> continent you're in would greatly help in estimating shipment costs :)
>
> cheers,
> Max.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>   
They are in the US.


From steve at openmoko.com  Fri Jun  5 20:28:00 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:28:00 -0700
Subject: Pat Meier
In-Reply-To: <B2JmwPyVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
References: <B2JmwPyVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
Message-ID: <4A2963B0.6090707@openmoko>

Christoph,

  I will politely ask you to retract your comments about Pat. Each and 
every press release issued by
Openmoko was written by me and issued with my approval and Sean's 
approval. Pat is in charge
of the mechanics of getting those releases distributed and covered by 
the press. As PR she would make editorial suggestions,
but in the end the words are approved by me and sean and in the case of 
quotes, the quotes
are approved by the person being quoted. If you consider the words to be 
BS, then you are
entitled to your opinion. I am responsible for each and every word.  I'm 
responsible for
generating the information, not Pat. Basically it works like this. I 
want to to do a press release.
I talk with Pat and we discuss whether the item is newsworthy in our 
estimation. "Steve ate breakfast"
may be a fine tweet, but it isn't news. Then if we agree it is 
newsworthy, I write the release.
Sean reviews it and when he and I come to agreement we go back to Pat 
and ask her to "put the release out"
Her name goes at the bottom of the release. Not because the words are 
hers, but because she is the Press
Contact. That means the press contacts her when they want to talk to me 
or sean.


Christoph Pulster wrote:
>>   I've copied pat meier Johnson our PR person on the thread. Like you
>>   we believe there is a great positive story here.
>>     
>
> IMO Pat Meier is the typical Public Relation crap and does not match to  
> the company philosophy of Openmoko Inc. at all.
> I just checking some announcements of the past of Pat Meier concerning  
> Openmoko and realize they have a lot of fantasy and free imagination to  
> create facts and words. I dont like these kind of bullshit information  
> generators.
>
> Christoph
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>   



From wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca  Fri Jun  5 20:59:01 2009
From: wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca (Warren Baird)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:59:01 -0400
Subject: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz - 
	Quality Enhancement Service
In-Reply-To: <41906F23-94A2-4407-A017-50FDABEF2BA6@sdgsystems.com>
References: <41906F23-94A2-4407-A017-50FDABEF2BA6@sdgsystems.com>
Message-ID: <b66a83e00906051159w1337f8bdp9fd23f0ecd2c5ba@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Brian,

Will this offer be availble in Canada also?   I see you've co-signed it with
Koolu - for those of us in Canada who bought from Koolu will there be a
Canadian address to send our FRs to - to avoid dealing with customs?

Thanks,

Warren


On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Brian Fuller <bfuller at sdgsystems.com> wrote:

> Hello Openmoko Community!
>
> As users of the Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6, you
> may have experienced an audio buzz while making a phone call.
> Openmoko has identified the issue and upgraded the hardware to fix
> this issue.  The GTA02 version A7 phones are now available and include
> this fix.
>
> In response to this audio buzz issue, Openmoko has implemented a
> program by which owners of GTA02 version A5 & A6 FreeRunners can have
> their phones reworked to an electrical revision similar to version
> A7.  All owners of version A5 & A6 FreeRunners are eligible for this
> program. SDG Systems (SDG), the US Master Distributor of the
> FreeRunner, will be performing the necessary revision work.
>
> To review the details of this program and to participate, please go to
> the SDG online store located at www.sdgsystems.com, select Openmoko on
> the Catalog page, select "Buy Now" for the Neo FreeRunner versions A5
> & A6 Audio Buzz - Quality Enhancement Service, and complete the
> registration and checkout process.  For each phone returned for
> rework, you will receive a complimentary FreeRunner replacement
> battery to offset your shipping fees.  For those interested in
> purchasing additional phones, coupon code 5CZ8HT54, redeemable only at
> the SDG online store, is available for $30 off the retail price of
> $389 for the version A7 FreeRunner.  The coupon code has no quantity
> restrictions and expires on 7/31/09.
>
> Participants' phones needing reworked MUST be returned to SDG by
> Wednesday, July 15, 2009, to qualify for this program.
>
> For any additional assistance or questions, please email
> buzzfix at sdgsystems.com
> .
>
> We appreciate your cooperation as we work to resolve this matter.
>
> Sincerely,
> SDG Systems & Koolu, Inc.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



-- 
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http://www.synergisticimages.ca
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From diego.abelenda at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 20:59:48 2009
From: diego.abelenda at gmail.com (Abelenda)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:59:48 +0200
Subject: RFC Using MPX for accelerometers
Message-ID: <20090605205948.3ceaeb54@Lina>

I've had an idea that might not be so bad.

MPX is due for the next release of Xorg, so why not use it for the
accelerometers, it could create a somewhat standard interface for the
applications (think about compatibility for other devices than the
freerunner) to see the state of the accelerometers. An application that
is fullscreen/selected could just grab the input and release it if
it is no more selected. The nice thing is that application not
compatible with Xi2 would not see the device if it is configured as
additionnal pointer and not default one.

If an application needs only pattern recognitions and not the position
of the pointer, we could create a lib, so that it could be portable for
other devices.

So comments about that idea? ^^
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From wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca  Fri Jun  5 21:07:58 2009
From: wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca (Warren Baird)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:07:58 -0400
Subject: Do I need the buzz-fix?
Message-ID: <b66a83e00906051207m647d05abmfe341365befb7c@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

I'm getting a bit confused about whether I need to get the buzz-fix
operation done.  Since I switched to
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state a
few days ago I've generally been satisfiied with my audio quality - a couple
of people I've called have mentioned a small amount of buzz on occasion, but
that the audio quality was tolerable.  With most other state files I've had
so much static on the line people on the other end could barely understand
me.

In http://n2.nabble.com/Debuzzing-tp2736682p3005844.html - Dr. N stated "The
Buzz rework is only required if  you have the Buzz problem. If your device
does not, there is no need to rework. My personal estimate is that <5% of
users have experienced it. "

However, I've seen other statements like arne anka in
http://n2.nabble.com/Debuzzing-tp2736682p3007627.html state "conclusion:
everyone having access to the buzz fix should take hold of it. "

Is there some consensus on this?   Should everyone get the buzz-fix?   If
not - how do I tell if I should get the buzz fix.

Thanks,

Warren

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From steve at openmoko.com  Fri Jun  5 21:12:19 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:12:19 -0700
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <B2JmzhoVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
References: <B2JmzhoVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
Message-ID: <4A296E13.3000601@openmoko>

Thanks Christoph for your clarification.  I have a minor quibble with 
your characterization.
When Openmoko started as a project in FIC, it started with a Vision. 
That vision was to create a open mobile
phone. Its the job of marketing to message that vision to the customer. 
Thats what
we did. Very early on, however, we realized that  we could position the 
product ( not the company) in one of two ways:

1. Its a mobile Phone First, and a multi purpose platform secondarily

2. Its a multi purpose platform first, and a phone secondarily.

If you read carefully through interviews and materials we put out you'll 
see that
we chose #1 as opposed to number two. That is, we choose to emphasize 
the phone
aspects as opposed to the multi purpose aspects. Over an over again you 
will hear
us saying that its more than a phone. But, this message was not in the 
foreground.

That was a marketing decision that was
hard to make. The problem with #2 as I saw it was this: When openmoko 
started
it started with Sean's Vision. Free the Phone. For me as marketing to 
insist that we market
this vision like #2  didnt make much sense. It's something that we 
struggled with throughout
the life of neo 1973 and FR.  Should we change our message about the 
phone and call it
a multi purpose device? should we change the vision of the company? If 
we suddenly
call FR a multi-purpose platform after years of saying it was a phone, 
what would the
community say. From late 2007 when Wolfganag and I joined to early 2008, 
before the launch of FR, Wolfgang, Sean and I debated this exact issue. 
And we even considered shipping FR with a Bootable linux and nothing 
else. The way I viewed it
was this. If we keep pushing down the phone path eventually the vision 
will come true.
So we tried everything to keep that vision alive, paring back on the 
software ( back to the basics)
the downside here was this: We might fail to deliver  according to the 
schedules we promised.
On the other hand, if I switched the message to " hey its multi purpose 
platform" then
people would ask "what about the phone you promised?" Its basically a no win
situation. On one hand  we promise a phone and come up short, on the 
other hand we change
our promise altogether. In the end I own this marketing decision and any 
blame you want
to ascribe to it. As I saw it as long as I work dilgently to keep the 
promise and vision alive
I am doing the right thing. So even now as I try to enable people to 
carry the vision
forward, whether its 5 guys working on Gta02 or other things I am 
working on, I am working
to keep that original promise. I could have choosen the other path. I 
could have said " hey, I know we designed it as a phone,
promised a phone from day one, but what the heck, lets just call it a 
multi purpose platform"
In the end at the Embedded systems conference we gave this message a try.

On a personal note. I'd like to thank you for your support and hard work. 




Christoph Pulster wrote:
>> the best path foreword is to turn the future of the Freerunner over to
>> the community.
>>     
>
> I always have problems to define "community". Speaking in numbers,
> I see ONE active Mailinglist (here) and nothing more worth to mention.
> The GTA03core list consists of 5 active people feeding some strange CAD  
> software, this community list has -lets guess- 1000 active everydayt  
> readers and 100 contributors, that's all !?
> Based on this, your idea to base the future of the Freerunner to a  
> "community" is a dead born baby.
>
> IMO you say "community" but you mean "VAR" = value-added-resellers.
> Openmoko's big marketing mistake was to announce Freerunner as a mobile  
> phone instead a FOSS based multi-purpose plattform.
> No VAR's, no sales. Thats the sad point we have reached now.
>
> Christoph
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>   



From freepage at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 21:15:19 2009
From: freepage at gmail.com (Pieter Colpaert)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:15:19 +0200
Subject: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80906050616v559c23dfs2d1788038de4df74@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B2Jm-4HVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
	<200906051352.39550.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<5c6ceea80906050616v559c23dfs2d1788038de4df74@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1244229319.14533.0.camel@pieterc-laptop>

I think it's a bad idea in general to discuss the topic. MP3's are non
free and should not be used by any openmoko-user. As myself I don't got
any mp3 on my computer, I only use ogg. The only disadvantage of ogg is:
you won't be able to share it with lots of friends, due they probably
use mp3. But as a matter of fact, sharing mp3's with friends is not
concidered very legal. So... There is no problem not using any mp3's on
the openmoko. The solution for people wanting to use openmoko as there
music device: 

let's create a "music uploader" for OM2009 & SHR (on your pc: so should
have a version for linux as well as for mac and wyndaws):
The main screen should give us a selector list of all songs on your pc,
no matter if they're mp3/ogg/wav/etc when uploaded (through scp, that's
easy I guess) they get automatically converted to ogg, which is a quite
good standard to use on the openmoko. So no problems selling openmoko
anymore huh?

Pieter

On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 15:16 +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
> pattens as are now a days is a real PITA, no matter if you don't have
> the libraries installed in the device,if you are cached by those
> pirate... sorry pattens agencies in customs they just have to say to
> the court the device is suitable to play mp3 and you don't have
> license, and your parcel will be retained for months/years, no matter
> the court final decision, you as reseller are fucked because you have
> payed for a material you cannot touch. So orl you arrive an agreement
> with the agency (+money,-less time) or wait for the lottery of the
> court and cross your fingers to have a judge a little bit more techy
> than the average, because if not, your parcel will be returned by
> default, and if the judge has a bad day you surely will pay a penalty.
> 
> Once was said OM was in sue trying to resolve this but I have no more
> info on that for a long time.
> 
> 2009/6/5 Al Johnson <openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk>:
> > On Friday 05 June 2009, Christoph Pulster wrote:
> >> > It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in
> >> > support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with
> >> > support in areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal
> >> > side (trademarks).
> >>
> >> Please remember the patent infridgements concerning MP3 (www.sisvel.it).
> >> Openmoko Inc. did not solve this issue until today.
> >> As a result, all sales inside EU are patent infridgments, all reseller
> >> inside EU community have to live with the fact, that local customs seize
> >> their Freerunner order anytime.
> >
> > Openmoko removed the mp3 codecs from the images they supply, and from their
> > repositories, causing frustration for many. I don't know what image they now
> > ship with, but would be surprised if they haven't removed the mp3 codecs from
> > that too. If it doesn't contain the codec it can't infringe the patent. What
> > more do you expect them to do?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
> 
> 
> 



From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 21:18:37 2009
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 21:18:37 +0200
Subject: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
In-Reply-To: <1244229319.14533.0.camel@pieterc-laptop>
References: <B2Jm-4HVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
	<200906051352.39550.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<5c6ceea80906050616v559c23dfs2d1788038de4df74@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244229319.14533.0.camel@pieterc-laptop>
Message-ID: <26fea52c0906051218g5ef58926y5ce14e2488b41e8c@mail.gmail.com>

true,
But although I didn't do any actual testing myself, I read that
conversion mp3-->ogg sometimes doesn't sound good

y

On 6/5/09, Pieter Colpaert <freepage at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think it's a bad idea in general to discuss the topic. MP3's are non
> free and should not be used by any openmoko-user. As myself I don't got
> any mp3 on my computer, I only use ogg. The only disadvantage of ogg is:
> you won't be able to share it with lots of friends, due they probably
> use mp3. But as a matter of fact, sharing mp3's with friends is not
> concidered very legal. So... There is no problem not using any mp3's on
> the openmoko. The solution for people wanting to use openmoko as there
> music device:
>
> let's create a "music uploader" for OM2009 & SHR (on your pc: so should
> have a version for linux as well as for mac and wyndaws):
> The main screen should give us a selector list of all songs on your pc,
> no matter if they're mp3/ogg/wav/etc when uploaded (through scp, that's
> easy I guess) they get automatically converted to ogg, which is a quite
> good standard to use on the openmoko. So no problems selling openmoko
> anymore huh?
>
> Pieter
>
> On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 15:16 +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
>> pattens as are now a days is a real PITA, no matter if you don't have
>> the libraries installed in the device,if you are cached by those
>> pirate... sorry pattens agencies in customs they just have to say to
>> the court the device is suitable to play mp3 and you don't have
>> license, and your parcel will be retained for months/years, no matter
>> the court final decision, you as reseller are fucked because you have
>> payed for a material you cannot touch. So orl you arrive an agreement
>> with the agency (+money,-less time) or wait for the lottery of the
>> court and cross your fingers to have a judge a little bit more techy
>> than the average, because if not, your parcel will be returned by
>> default, and if the judge has a bad day you surely will pay a penalty.
>>
>> Once was said OM was in sue trying to resolve this but I have no more
>> info on that for a long time.
>>
>> 2009/6/5 Al Johnson <openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk>:
>> > On Friday 05 June 2009, Christoph Pulster wrote:
>> >> > It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in
>> >> > support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with
>> >> > support in areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal
>> >> > side (trademarks).
>> >>
>> >> Please remember the patent infridgements concerning MP3
>> >> (www.sisvel.it).
>> >> Openmoko Inc. did not solve this issue until today.
>> >> As a result, all sales inside EU are patent infridgments, all reseller
>> >> inside EU community have to live with the fact, that local customs
>> >> seize
>> >> their Freerunner order anytime.
>> >
>> > Openmoko removed the mp3 codecs from the images they supply, and from
>> > their
>> > repositories, causing frustration for many. I don't know what image they
>> > now
>> > ship with, but would be surprised if they haven't removed the mp3 codecs
>> > from
>> > that too. If it doesn't contain the codec it can't infringe the patent.
>> > What
>> > more do you expect them to do?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Openmoko community mailing list
>> > community at lists.openmoko.org
>> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From rtm at cfa.harvard.edu  Fri Jun  5 21:25:50 2009
From: rtm at cfa.harvard.edu (Ken Young)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:25:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0906051519350.30176@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu>

dehqan65 at gmail.com wrote:
[...]
> I'm not programmer and maybe can not  do anything for that .

I think it is very unlikely that you will be able to get an Openmoko
phone to work for you with Farsi text unless you able to do some
programming, or at least port some code.   (Afsoos mikhoram!)

Ken Young



From steve at openmoko.com  Fri Jun  5 21:26:42 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:26:42 -0700
Subject: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
In-Reply-To: <200906051352.39550.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <B2Jm-4HVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
	<200906051352.39550.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A297172.1070200@openmoko>

I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is 
the position,
held by some, that any hardware that is merely CAPABLE of mp3 decode is 
required
to apply for a license.  MP3 was removed from our images long ago and 
from the
repositories. The requirements of the license agreement, without going 
into details, were beyond
our financial means.


Al Johnson wrote:
> On Friday 05 June 2009, Christoph Pulster wrote:
>   
>>> It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in
>>> support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with
>>> support in areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal
>>> side (trademarks).
>>>       
>> Please remember the patent infridgements concerning MP3 (www.sisvel.it).
>> Openmoko Inc. did not solve this issue until today.
>> As a result, all sales inside EU are patent infridgments, all reseller
>> inside EU community have to live with the fact, that local customs seize
>> their Freerunner order anytime.
>>     
>
> Openmoko removed the mp3 codecs from the images they supply, and from their 
> repositories, causing frustration for many. I don't know what image they now 
> ship with, but would be surprised if they haven't removed the mp3 codecs from 
> that too. If it doesn't contain the codec it can't infringe the patent. What 
> more do you expect them to do?
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>   



From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 21:29:27 2009
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 21:29:27 +0200
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0906051519350.30176@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0906051519350.30176@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <c30e08170906051229v73b052fbm6e273dc7d6fb1956@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 21:25, Ken Young<rtm at cfa.harvard.edu> wrote:
> dehqan65 at gmail.com wrote:
> [...]
>> I'm not programmer and maybe can not ?do anything for that .
>
> I think it is very unlikely that you will be able to get an Openmoko
> phone to work for you with Farsi text unless you able to do some
> programming, or at least port some code. ? (Afsoos mikhoram!)
>
> Ken Young

SHR supports UTF-8 and RTL languages. Isn't that enough?


From onen.om at free.fr  Fri Jun  5 21:58:26 2009
From: onen.om at free.fr (Onen)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:58:26 +0200
Subject: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
In-Reply-To: <4A280B65.2030201@techworks.ie>
References: <4A27CA73.8060809@techworks.ie> <4A27EB76.7060907@omoco.de>
	<4A280B65.2030201@techworks.ie>
Message-ID: <4A2978E2.3090704@free.fr>

Hi,

Christian Gagneraud wrote:
> Sebastian Hammerl wrote:
>> I just saw that openbmaps imports the opencellid data so there will be
>> the cellhunter data in in future.
> 
> That's a good point, but for example, yesterday evening i've uploaded 
> lot of data (about 5 hours sampling every 10 seconds, while moving by 
> boat along the coast), and now i would like to reuse these data, 
> exploit them, plot them, ... with existing web application or by 
> writing my own tool, the API offered by cellhunter doesn't really fit 
> my needs that's why i want to have a look at OBM's API.
> 

You can find the Web based API from obm here:
http://realtimeblog.free.fr/api/openbmap_api.php

Feel free to tell if this does not fit your needs. Let me know what you 
need, to see what I can do for you.

I also have a prototype of D-bus service running on the phone, which 
uses local database built on top of obm data, to get my position. This 
is only a proof of concept, but it works.

> Do you know how often CH is imported into opencellid, and how often 
> opencellid are imported into OBM?
> 

We import oci data in order to built better service right now to our 
users (see my other email for details). But we don't plan to do this 
very often. If you want to see your data in obm, the best way is to 
upload directly to it for sure. It gets processed right away.

> Cheers,
> Chris

Onen



From onen.om at free.fr  Fri Jun  5 22:07:33 2009
From: onen.om at free.fr (Onen)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:07:33 +0200
Subject: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
In-Reply-To: <20090605093348.GA4999@dodger.lab.datenfreihafen.org>
References: <4A27CA73.8060809@techworks.ie>
	<4A27EB76.7060907@omoco.de>	<4A280B65.2030201@techworks.ie>
	<4A28D3E1.6000603@omoco.de>
	<20090605093348.GA4999@dodger.lab.datenfreihafen.org>
Message-ID: <4A297B05.1000303@free.fr>

Hi,

Stefan Schmidt wrote:
>> cellhunter ist not submitting to opencellid yet, because i have to
>> prepare the data for that but it will happen.
> 
> BTW, what will happen with the ARFCN informations then?
> 

That is a very good point. As I stated in another email on this thread, 
if we would upload obm data to oci, we could only upload the subset of 
data it supports.

This annoys me, because if ch uploads to oci, and then obm import oci 
data, we lose some infos :-(

But if we import ch data directly, we have to manage not to import from 
oci data, what comes from ch, which is more work...

Onen



From onen.om at free.fr  Fri Jun  5 22:11:43 2009
From: onen.om at free.fr (Onen)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:11:43 +0200
Subject: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
In-Reply-To: <26fea52c0906042249j35822d77m46da95041b71abeb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A27CA73.8060809@techworks.ie>
	<26fea52c0906042249j35822d77m46da95041b71abeb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A297BFF.3070204@free.fr>

Hi,

thanks for the nice comments!

Yorick Moko wrote:
> My personal preference goes out to openBmap,
> because I think they combine quality and quantity;
> quality: they log the most data (they are even working on TA)
> quantity: they have all the cells of cellhunter and opencellid
> 

For now, we only have the cells from oci, just to avoid misunderstanding.

> I could be mistaken but from what i heard from onen (the creator of
> openBmap) on ML and irc, I got the impression that he DOES want to
> work together,
> just not "only" sharing data, but i could be wrong
> 

For the records, Nick created openBmap, not me :-)

Onen



From stix213 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun  5 22:17:51 2009
From: stix213 at hotmail.com (Nick Van Fossen)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:17:51 -0700
Subject: Where to purchase a new screen?
Message-ID: <BAY123-W18BC074E96EBBD3898E0AE9480@phx.gbl>


I need to get a new screen for my Freerunner.  Anyone know where to purchase one?  I tried contacting a few of the local distributors here in North America, but after a week I haven't even received an e-mail reply.  

-Nick
_________________________________________________________________
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From prishelec at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 22:19:33 2009
From: prishelec at gmail.com (Leonti Bielski)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:19:33 -0600
Subject: Do I need the buzz-fix?
In-Reply-To: <b66a83e00906051207m647d05abmfe341365befb7c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b66a83e00906051207m647d05abmfe341365befb7c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <815cb1720906051319v7f825041k557e0917c73e74ee@mail.gmail.com>

If you generally stay in the same area and don't experience buzz you
may not need it.

If you move a lot in some conditions you may experience it or may not,
so you should get a fix just in case.

In nutshell - buzz is something every not reworked Freerunner has. You
may experience it or you may not depending on conditions. But your
phone still has it if not reworked.

Leonti

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Warren Baird<wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I'm getting a bit confused about whether I need to get the buzz-fix
> operation done.? Since I switched to
> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state a
> few days ago I've generally been satisfiied with my audio quality - a couple
> of people I've called have mentioned a small amount of buzz on occasion, but
> that the audio quality was tolerable.? With most other state files I've had
> so much static on the line people on the other end could barely understand
> me.
>
> In http://n2.nabble.com/Debuzzing-tp2736682p3005844.html - Dr. N stated "The
> Buzz rework is only required if? you have the Buzz problem. If your device
> does not, there is no need to rework. My personal estimate is that <5% of
> users have experienced it. "
>
> However, I've seen other statements like arne anka in
> http://n2.nabble.com/Debuzzing-tp2736682p3007627.html state "conclusion:
> everyone having access to the buzz fix should take hold of it. "
>
> Is there some consensus on this??? Should everyone get the buzz-fix??? If
> not - how do I tell if I should get the buzz fix.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Warren
>
> --
> Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist
> http://www.synergisticimages.ca
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>


From digitalpioneer at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 22:25:23 2009
From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:25:23 -0500
Subject: Do I need the buzz-fix?
In-Reply-To: <815cb1720906051319v7f825041k557e0917c73e74ee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b66a83e00906051207m647d05abmfe341365befb7c@mail.gmail.com> 
	<815cb1720906051319v7f825041k557e0917c73e74ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ffce06340906051325y5b06c6cr4ae5c729d82e48af@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to know which hardware revision my phone has. I'm sure this has
been explained again and again, and I'm sorry to keep beating the dead
horse, but I still don't know what revision I have. I'm pretty sure it's
before A7, but is it A5 or A6?...
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From timschmidt at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 22:36:33 2009
From: timschmidt at gmail.com (Tim Schmidt)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:36:33 -0400
Subject: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
In-Reply-To: <4A297172.1070200@openmoko>
References: <B2Jm-4HVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
	<200906051352.39550.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<4A297172.1070200@openmoko>
Message-ID: <2c97fe9d0906051336j1ced7187s48ec6f95b38a554a@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Steve Mosher<steve at openmoko.com> wrote:
> I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is
> the position,
> held by some, that any hardware that is merely CAPABLE of mp3 decode is
> required
> to apply for a license.

So these dolts want a license fee for every turing complete computer
above a few mips?

--tim


From mtdean at thirdcontact.com  Fri Jun  5 22:41:11 2009
From: mtdean at thirdcontact.com (Michael T. Dean)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:41:11 -0400
Subject: Do I need the buzz-fix?
In-Reply-To: <ffce06340906051325y5b06c6cr4ae5c729d82e48af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b66a83e00906051207m647d05abmfe341365befb7c@mail.gmail.com>
	<815cb1720906051319v7f825041k557e0917c73e74ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<ffce06340906051325y5b06c6cr4ae5c729d82e48af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2982E7.8070609@thirdcontact.com>

On 06/05/2009 04:25 PM, The Digital Pioneer wrote:
> I would like to know which hardware revision my phone has. I'm sure 
> this has been explained again and again, and I'm sorry to keep beating 
> the dead horse, but I still don't know what revision I have. I'm 
> pretty sure it's before A7, but is it A5 or A6?...

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_find_out_what_version_of_hardware_I_have.3F

Mike


From digitalpioneer at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 22:45:27 2009
From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:45:27 -0500
Subject: Do I need the buzz-fix?
In-Reply-To: <4A2982E7.8070609@thirdcontact.com>
References: <b66a83e00906051207m647d05abmfe341365befb7c@mail.gmail.com> 
	<815cb1720906051319v7f825041k557e0917c73e74ee@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ffce06340906051325y5b06c6cr4ae5c729d82e48af@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A2982E7.8070609@thirdcontact.com>
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Ahh, so mine says 0350, so I guess I'm an A5. Thanks!
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From david at tuxbrain.com  Fri Jun  5 23:39:20 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 23:39:20 +0200
Subject: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
In-Reply-To: <2c97fe9d0906051336j1ced7187s48ec6f95b38a554a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B2Jm-4HVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
	<200906051352.39550.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<4A297172.1070200@openmoko>
	<2c97fe9d0906051336j1ced7187s48ec6f95b38a554a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c6ceea80906051439lc64cb11i881e1575a618ef28@mail.gmail.com>

2009/6/5 Tim Schmidt <timschmidt at gmail.com>:
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Steve Mosher<steve at openmoko.com> wrote:
>> I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is
>> the position,
>> held by some, that any hardware that is merely CAPABLE of mp3 decode is
>> required
>> to apply for a license.
>
> So these dolts want a license fee for every turing complete computer
> above a few mips?
in short yes, in Spain is even more blooding, because apart of format
war licences in customs, there is local  agency called SGAE that
succeeds in make pay a fee for any device not only able to play mp3
but any kind of music, and that's not all, not only to play but to
keep any kind of multimedia format (this include CD/DVD-R, HD,
SDCards....)
Is no matter of common sense or logic, now a days with law at hand,
they can do it and they do. Then is your work to demonstrate in court
you are right but meanwhile you are totally fuc$%ed. Scaring ,isn't
it?
Steve the problem is that "some" holding the position, are the ones
that have enough money/power/time/knowledge to sue you, because even
If they know they can loose in the court, in a way or another you will
pay because you just can afford and stand in the whole long proccess,
is their daily routine.
>
> --tim
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



-- 
David Reyes Samblas Martinez
http://www.tuxbrain.com
Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!


From chris at csamuel.org  Fri Jun  5 23:42:51 2009
From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 07:42:51 +1000
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <60567dcc0906050656y40fa03cj651b4fef24d0df9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<200906052336.34328.chris@csamuel.org>
	<60567dcc0906050656y40fa03cj651b4fef24d0df9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200906060742.55085.chris@csamuel.org>

On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:56:14 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:

> well, there we're indeed dependent on the kernel itself. Is this a
> stable 2.6.28-based kernel?

It's 2.6.24mw-g291a9d50 - much older!

-- 
 Chris Samuel  :  http://www.csamuel.org/  :  Melbourne, VIC

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From werner at openmoko.org  Sat Jun  6 01:53:30 2009
From: werner at openmoko.org (Werner Almesberger)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:53:30 -0300
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <B2JmzhoVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
References: <mailman.7190.1243960998.15778.community@lists.openmoko.org>
	<B2JmzhoVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
Message-ID: <20090605235330.GI4625@almesberger.net>

Christoph Pulster wrote:
> I see ONE active Mailinglist (here) and nothing more worth to mention.

openmoko-kernel used to be very busy. Now it's a bit more quiet
with kernel maintenance being rearranged, but I expect it to
pick up some more activity again before too long.

Also, these days, the most active participants all use IRC and
much of the small coordination happens there.

> The GTA03core list consists of 5 active people feeding some strange CAD  
> software,

gta02-core is a very young project and I'm rather pleased with
the way it's growing. There are 1-2 people joining for active
participation every week, and some more are just lurking for now.

If active participants joined at a higher rate, it would actually
be difficult to give them the attention they deserve and to
integrate them into the project. (In fact, I already built up a
bit of a backlog for this week. Shouldn't dwell in this mail too
long ...)

If you don't like the strange CAD files, you may find
http://people.openmoko.org/werner/gta02-core/gta02-core-expanded-all.ps.gz
easier on your eyes ;-)

- Werner


From lists.boris at bshed.com  Sat Jun  6 03:03:27 2009
From: lists.boris at bshed.com (Boris Wong)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:03:27 -0700
Subject: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz - 
	Quality Enhancement Service
In-Reply-To: <b66a83e00906051159w1337f8bdp9fd23f0ecd2c5ba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41906F23-94A2-4407-A017-50FDABEF2BA6@sdgsystems.com>
	<b66a83e00906051159w1337f8bdp9fd23f0ecd2c5ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A29C05F.40805@bshed.com>

Warren Baird wrote:
> Will this offer be availble in Canada also?   
I live in Vancouver BC, and have just sent two Freerunners in today. You 
just have to pay for the shipping back.
> to avoid dealing with customs?
I'm not entirely sure how customs works, but we are not purchasing 
products from the US nor are we selling. We are receiving a free service 
and we just pay for shipping to and from ("ship to" by going to a postal 
office and "ship back" by ordering and paying on their site).

Hopefully they won't charge me anything. And I don't remember if they 
use UPS service, but the UPS service is known to charge extreme amounts 
on duties since they have their "private brokerage services", which 
could potentially cost more than the Freerunner itself. =/ Here's to hoping!

-Boris



From lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net  Sat Jun  6 03:15:33 2009
From: lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net (Ben Wong)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:15:33 -0700
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In-Reply-To: <c30e08170906051229v73b052fbm6e273dc7d6fb1956@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0906051519350.30176@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu>
	<c30e08170906051229v73b052fbm6e273dc7d6fb1956@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47e8c68d0906051815i565c4515t337fbdf30f35c817@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sebastian
Krzyszkowiak<seba.dos1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 21:25, Ken Young<rtm at cfa.harvard.edu> wrote:
>> dehqan65 at gmail.com wrote:
>> [...]
>>> I'm not programmer and maybe can not ?do anything for that .
>>
>> I think it is very unlikely that you will be able to get an Openmoko
>> phone to work for you with Farsi text unless you able to do some
>> programming, or at least port some code. ? (Afsoos mikhoram!)
>>
>> Ken Young
>
> SHR supports UTF-8 and RTL languages. Isn't that enough?

I just partially tested this out and, yes, Farsi SMS can be sent and
received with SHR.  Now, I don't speak Persian, so I just cut and
pasted a bit of Obama's Nowruz address from the web (via Midori).  The
SMS sending program doesn't have a Paste menu item, but Ctrl+V works.
Although the text was left justified, the characters were received in
the proper right-to-left order.

Of course, I say "partially" tested, because I didn't try out an input
method.  If someone could do that, I'd be curious to know if it works.
 By the way, I believe SCIM can handle Persian transliteration from a
QWERTY keyboard, so that might be a quick work around until someone
makes a Farsi keyboard.

--Ben

P.S. This is what I sent:
?????? ??????? ????? ???????
         ???? ??????
       ???????? ?? ???


From lists.boris at bshed.com  Sat Jun  6 04:00:27 2009
From: lists.boris at bshed.com (Boris Wong)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:00:27 -0700
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <4A296E13.3000601@openmoko>
References: <B2JmzhoVfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <4A296E13.3000601@openmoko>
Message-ID: <4A29CDBB.30509@bshed.com>

Hi Steve,

Steve Mosher wrote:
> 1. Its a mobile Phone First, and a multi purpose platform secondarily
>   
I actually like the perspective of #1 very much and you should keep it 
as such. As I am to understand, the core philosophy of Openmoko is the 
"Free the Phone". There are many platform hardware devices out there 
that are open. Stressing that it is the _phone_ makes the biggest 
difference. It causes a revolution where major phone manufacturers like 
LG, Samsung, Nokia, etc. will start trembling to figure out their next 
moves as the community thrives to make something so much better with 
mass collaboration.

Free the phone; we already have multi-purpose platform devices that run 
linux.

-Boris



From dale.schumacher at gmail.com  Sat Jun  6 05:01:18 2009
From: dale.schumacher at gmail.com (Dale Schumacher)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:01:18 -0500
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <4A29CDBB.30509@bshed.com>
References: <B2JmzhoVfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <4A296E13.3000601@openmoko>
	<4A29CDBB.30509@bshed.com>
Message-ID: <7780e76c0906052001t3c433134l96315e4fe5c623f4@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Boris Wong<lists.boris at bshed.com> wrote:
> Steve Mosher wrote:
>> 1. Its a mobile Phone First, and a multi purpose platform secondarily
>>
> I actually like the perspective of #1 very much and you should keep it
> as such.
...snip...
> Free the phone; we already have multi-purpose platform devices that run
> linux.

I'm totally on-board with this message, vision and mission.  The
problem is--after all this time, that vision remains unfulfilled.  My
biggest disappointment has been the fact that my Openmoko Freerunner
(which I've had since helping form the Austin buying group) is still
not _nearly_ as reliable as any cheap simple handset I can get for 10%
of the cost.  The Freerunner had (has?) great potential, but we
couldn't realize that potential without basic reliable functionality.
If the concerted efforts of many talented (in some cases even paid)
engineers couldn't achieve that basic milestone, it seems unlikely
that it will be achieved by a loosely-organized group of unpaid (and
demoralized) volunteers.

I truly hope I'm wrong--and I applaud the efforts of those who
continue to strive for this goal.  I also want to express my thanks
for the efforts of all those who have worked so long and hard trying
to achieve this vision.


From cchandel at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  6 06:00:38 2009
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 21:00:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.22
In-Reply-To: <dae089cf0906050923l200d49cfr6884d14e35bad41d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1243250505215-2969146.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<200905252208.48218.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<1243302658564-2972512.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<200905270938.17242.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<1243432013254-2981136.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1243434162301-2981391.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<d3e504410905270814w661bf65bgdf7b2b55959ae3b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00905271009u4102f924te1c91199198443fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1243491593948-2985771.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00906020733j1d230f9n9699f8293727cf1a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244007049734-3016483.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<65c86d230906030244n673a1712nf079ab3ff2fb295@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244086797401-3022613.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<dae089cf0906050923l200d49cfr6884d14e35bad41d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1244260838838-3034171.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,

Cameron Frazier wrote:
> 
>>in c (derived from [1], look at the bottom):
>>elm_scroller_bounce_set(self.obj, h_bounce, v_bounce)
> 
 Thanks. That helped. I needed to update my elementary libs on the laptop
too. So here's the latest version - without the bouncing - and yes it's a
lot simpler to use.

http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3034171/launcher_0.22_arm.ipk
launcher_0.22_arm.ipk 
-- 
View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha%29-Release-0.21-tp2969146p3034171.html
Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From wolfgang at openmoko.org  Sat Jun  6 06:55:44 2009
From: wolfgang at openmoko.org (Wolfgang Spraul)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 12:55:44 +0800
Subject: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80906050616v559c23dfs2d1788038de4df74@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B2Jm-4HVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>	<200906051352.39550.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<5c6ceea80906050616v559c23dfs2d1788038de4df74@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A29F6D0.4040604@openmoko.org>

David,

> Once was said OM was in sue trying to resolve this but I have no more
> info on that for a long time.

You have a good memory! :-)
Yes, we were working with the Software Freedom Law Center in New York on 
our patent strategy.
There was a decision of the US Supreme Court that undid some of the 
ongoing work.
Don't expect anything to come out fast, but it's still moving.

Wolfgang

David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
> pattens as are now a days is a real PITA, no matter if you don't have
> the libraries installed in the device,if you are cached by those
> pirate... sorry pattens agencies in customs they just have to say to
> the court the device is suitable to play mp3 and you don't have
> license, and your parcel will be retained for months/years, no matter
> the court final decision, you as reseller are fucked because you have
> payed for a material you cannot touch. So orl you arrive an agreement
> with the agency (+money,-less time) or wait for the lottery of the
> court and cross your fingers to have a judge a little bit more techy
> than the average, because if not, your parcel will be returned by
> default, and if the judge has a bad day you surely will pay a penalty.
>
> Once was said OM was in sue trying to resolve this but I have no more
> info on that for a long time.
>
> 2009/6/5 Al Johnson <openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk>:
>   
>> On Friday 05 June 2009, Christoph Pulster wrote:
>>     
>>>> It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in
>>>> support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with
>>>> support in areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal
>>>> side (trademarks).
>>>>         
>>> Please remember the patent infridgements concerning MP3 (www.sisvel.it).
>>> Openmoko Inc. did not solve this issue until today.
>>> As a result, all sales inside EU are patent infridgments, all reseller
>>> inside EU community have to live with the fact, that local customs seize
>>> their Freerunner order anytime.
>>>       
>> Openmoko removed the mp3 codecs from the images they supply, and from their
>> repositories, causing frustration for many. I don't know what image they now
>> ship with, but would be surprised if they haven't removed the mp3 codecs from
>> that too. If it doesn't contain the codec it can't infringe the patent. What
>> more do you expect them to do?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>>     
>
>
>
>   



From wolfgang at openmoko.org  Sat Jun  6 07:47:12 2009
From: wolfgang at openmoko.org (Wolfgang Spraul)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 13:47:12 +0800
Subject: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
In-Reply-To: <B2Jm-4HVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
References: <B2Jm-4HVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
Message-ID: <4A2A02E0.5070406@openmoko.org>

Christoph,
Openmoko phones are MP3-free and thus do not infringe on any MP3 
intellectual property.
Wolfgang

Christoph Pulster wrote:
>> It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in
>> support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with
>> support in areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal
>> side (trademarks).
>>     
>
> Please remember the patent infridgements concerning MP3 (www.sisvel.it).
> Openmoko Inc. did not solve this issue until today.
> As a result, all sales inside EU are patent infridgments, all reseller  
> inside EU community have to live with the fact, that local customs seize  
> their Freerunner order anytime.
>
> Christoph
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>   



From lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net  Sat Jun  6 08:07:50 2009
From: lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net (Ben Wong)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 23:07:50 -0700
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <7780e76c0906052001t3c433134l96315e4fe5c623f4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B2JmzhoVfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <4A296E13.3000601@openmoko>
	<4A29CDBB.30509@bshed.com>
	<7780e76c0906052001t3c433134l96315e4fe5c623f4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47e8c68d0906052307w7981e7ebtf0b9556fc4113302@mail.gmail.com>

>?My biggest disappointment has been the fact that my Openmoko Freerunner
> (which I've had since helping form the Austin buying group) is still
> not _nearly_ as reliable as any cheap simple handset I can get for 10%
> of the cost.

Not to disagree, I'd like to share that in the short time I've been
using my Freerunner as my only phone it has been much, MUCH, more
reliable than my previous "smart" phone.  I had a Samsung SPH-N400
which, besides having some incredibly brain dead bugs, which I could
go on for hours about, had terrible problems with non-reentrant code.
That is, when two events would happen nearly simultaneously, say
answering the phone and unplugging it from the power, it would often
crash.  I even managed to get it to crash by simply pressing the same
button too rapidly.  I got very practiced at removing and replacing
the battery quickly.  Now mind you, the N400 is a phone that was
offered by a major carrier (Sprint) in the US and was supposedly fully
supported.  I exchanged the N400 several times and also had them try
flashing different firmware on it.  It didn't help, it simply shifted
the bugs around.


> The Freerunner had (has?) great potential, but we
> couldn't realize that potential without basic reliable functionality.
> If the concerted efforts of many talented (in some cases even paid)
> engineers couldn't achieve that basic milestone, it seems unlikely
> that it will be achieved by a loosely-organized group of unpaid (and
> demoralized) volunteers.

The present tense is correct, the Freerunner *has* great potential.
It is still the only device even close to being a _Free_ phone, and it
will reach that in time.  As for what can be achieved by a
loosely-organized group of unpaid volunteers... well, do you really
need me to list all the Open Source success stories which started with
even less than we have?

I believe the Freerunner will be a success story.  The freeing of the
cell phone is a revolution on the order of the personal computer
revolution.  The only question is, Will the Freerunner be more like
the MITS Altair 8800, which led by inspiration or will it be like the
IBM PC, whose framework was widely copied to become a de facto
standard?

--Ben Wong


From _ at whats-your.name  Sat Jun  6 08:08:44 2009
From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 02:08:44 -0400
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <4A29CDBB.30509@bshed.com>
References: <B2JmzhoVfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <4A296E13.3000601@openmoko>
	<4A29CDBB.30509@bshed.com>
Message-ID: <20090606060843.GA27712@x.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>

> difference. It causes a revolution where major phone manufacturers like 
> LG, Samsung, Nokia, etc. will start trembling to figure out their next 
> moves as the community thrives to make something so much better with 
> mass collaboration.

how so? iphone/pre/blackberry/winmo all offer similarly polished experiences, mature solutions with no real edge among any of the competitors

im certainly hoping FIC can get their act together with 3G and a camera, but have no probs waiting for Acer/ASUS to 'accidentally' ship a phone that happens to run a vanilla kernel..

ive narrowed down to giving my money to taiwan, anwyays :)


From dehqan65 at gmail.com  Sat Jun  6 08:28:22 2009
From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (a dehqan)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 10:58:22 +0430
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0906051519350.30176@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0906051519350.30176@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <267bb6670906052328p65deaab7mafa01c811421e21d@mail.gmail.com>

In The name Of God

Thanks alot for your attentoins ;


On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Ken Young<rtm at cfa.harvard.edu> wrote:
> dehqan65 at gmail.com wrote:
> [...]
>> I'm not programmer and maybe can not ?do anything for that .
>
> I think it is very unlikely that you will be able to get an Openmoko
> phone to work for you with Farsi text unless you able to do some
> programming, or at least port some code. ? (Afsoos mikhoram!)
>
I was c++ & PHP programmer before but now i'm not ;
anda should be someone a pro programmer to use openmoko ?
(chera afsoos?)

>SHR supports UTF-8 and RTL languages. Isn't that enough?
How about keyboard ?Is it possible to use farsi or at least arabic key
board without problem ?

>Of course, I say "partially" tested, because I didn't try out an input
>method.  If someone could do that, I'd be curious to know if it works.
> By the way, I believe SCIM can handle Persian transliteration from a
>QWERTY keyboard, so that might be a quick work around until someone
>makes a Farsi keyboard
what is input method ?so how did you send that message ?
you can test with arabic keyboard .

Regards dehqan


From laforge at gnumonks.org  Sat Jun  6 09:27:06 2009
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 09:27:06 +0200
Subject: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
In-Reply-To: <4A297172.1070200@openmoko>
References: <B2Jm-4HVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
	<200906051352.39550.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<4A297172.1070200@openmoko>
Message-ID: <20090606072706.GE4421@prithivi.gnumonks.org>

On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 12:26:42PM -0700, Steve Mosher wrote:
> I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is 
> the position, held by some, that any hardware that is merely CAPABLE of mp3
> decode is required to apply for a license.  

I think that position cannot hold strong in any court of law.  You cannot charge
a MP3 license for each and every general purpose computing device.  This would
mean that e.g. every PC mainboard would have to pay the MP3 royalties, and I
can assure you, they dont ;)

So even while sisvel or others might claim such a position, it is pointless.

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)


From liedekef at telenet.be  Sat Jun  6 10:03:05 2009
From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 10:03:05 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <200906060742.55085.chris@csamuel.org>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<200906052336.34328.chris@csamuel.org>
	<60567dcc0906050656y40fa03cj651b4fef24d0df9@mail.gmail.com>
	<200906060742.55085.chris@csamuel.org>
Message-ID: <20090606100305.323f2825@telenet.be>

On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 07:42:51 +1000
Chris Samuel <chris at csamuel.org> wrote:

> On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:56:14 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> 
> > well, there we're indeed dependent on the kernel itself. Is this a
> > stable 2.6.28-based kernel?
> 
> It's 2.6.24mw-g291a9d50 - much older!
> 

2.6.24? Hmmm ... qtmoko will work, but you'll probably get double sms's
and indications of missed calls for every incoming call ...
O no, wait, I fixed those. Probably the issue will be that the system
will not unsuspend when receiving an sms, I believe that was kernel
related (modem). But there have been fixes in that area too, so you
might want to test some stuff:

- outgoing call
- incoming call
- incoming call while in suspend
- outgoing sms
- incoming sms
- incoming sms while in suspend
- alarm
- alarm wakes the phone while in suspend (see that the atd package is
  installed for this to work)
- bluetooth (since you run on 2.6.24 kernel, bluetooth should work as
  long as you don't suspend, but of course don't uninstall bluetooth as
  per my install script then)

Franky


From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Sat Jun  6 10:26:47 2009
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 10:26:47 +0200
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <20090605220938.UIR1H.79848.root@hrndva-web11-z01>
References: <20090605220938.UIR1H.79848.root@hrndva-web11-z01>
Message-ID: <op.uu3gevpc41evsb@eeeginguppin>

>> i simply infered it would not work with flash at all. turns out, that  
>> was wrong.
> [...]
>> as long you have nothing to contribute in terms of usefull information  
>> you can shut up now.
>
> Had you followed your own advice, and shut up when YOU had nothing to  
> contribute in terms of useful information, this thread would have simply  
> been a quick reply of "yes, it works in flash as describe on the Wiki  
> here:"
>
> I love how you constantly tell people to shut up if they don't have  
> anything to contribute, but feel free to interject you spam when you  
> know NOTHIING about the topic.  I also love how you introduce that  
> information AS IF you're an authoritative source, and when a real  
> authoritative source corrects you, to insult them and tell them they  
> should "document their stuff", when it's already clearly documented on  
> the wiki.
>
> Why don't YOU take your own advice, and shut up for a change.


that crap isn't wort to be dignified -- but just to make clear that i am  
going to ignore evrything of this mindless thread:

for all those other dolts feeling inclined to be insulting: leave it alone  
already.
in particular if you don't care to read and/or understand what i write ...


and btw: if you absolutely incapable to understand how _this_ list works,  
stop answering to me at all!
those mindess cc'ing is pretty annoying


From lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net  Sat Jun  6 10:29:46 2009
From: lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net (Ben Wong)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 01:29:46 -0700
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In-Reply-To: <267bb6670906052328p65deaab7mafa01c811421e21d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0906051519350.30176@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu>
	<267bb6670906052328p65deaab7mafa01c811421e21d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47e8c68d0906060129t2178edbfk379f0f3225b73891@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:28 PM, a dehqan<dehqan65 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I was a c++ & PHP programmer before but now i'm not ;
> and should someone be a pro programmer to use openmoko ?

You do not need to be a professional programmer to use the Freerunner.


> How about keyboard? Is it possible to use farsi or at least arabic key
> board without problem?

That's something I don't know.  You may have to create one yourself.


> so how did you send that message ?
> you can test with arabic keyboard .

I did not type in the message.  Instead I used a web browser to view a
page that was written in Farsi, selected some text, copied it, and
then pasted the text into an SMS message to myself.


> what is input method ?

"Input method" just means a way of typing characters that are not on
your keyboard.  For example, in Debian GNU/Linux, one can run this
command to use a standard US keyboard to type Persian[1] using the
Iranian standard for keyboards[2]:

  setxkbmap -v -rules xfree86 -model pc104 -layout "us,ir" -option
"grp:alt_shift_toggle" -option "grp_led:caps"

When I run that on my desktop computer, I am then able to hit
ALT+SHIFT to toggle between Farsi and English input.  Now when I type
ABCabc123 on my keyboard I get ?????????.  Of course, that doesn't
help you on the Freerunner, which doesn't have a physical keyboard.
Someone (perhaps you?) needs to design a Farsi onscreen keyboard.
Another person on this thread said that it was relatively easy, but I
don't know having never done it.

--Ben

[1]  I copied the setxkbmap example from
http://faculty.washington.edu/heer/enablingarabic.htm , with the
slight modification that I changed the layout from "us,ar" to "us,ir".
 That is, I'm using the Iranian layout instead of the Arabic.

[2]  ISIRI 2901:1994  http://crl.nmsu.edu/~mleisher/keyboards/persian.html


From openmoko-community at meurisse.org  Sat Jun  6 10:37:20 2009
From: openmoko-community at meurisse.org (Vincent MEURISSE)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 10:37:20 +0200
Subject: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
In-Reply-To: <20090606072706.GE4421@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
References: <B2Jm-4HVfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <4A297172.1070200@openmoko>
	<20090606072706.GE4421@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <200906061037.20616.openmoko-community@meurisse.org>

On Saturday 06 June 2009 09:27:06 Harald Welte wrote:
> This would
> mean that e.g. every PC mainboard would have to pay the MP3 royalties,
They would have to pay for every single audio codec but also for videos, file 
systems, network protocol?

-- 
Vincent MEURISSE


From mickey at vanille-media.de  Sat Jun  6 10:39:21 2009
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 10:39:21 +0200
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
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On Saturday 06 June 2009 10:29:46 Ben Wong wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:28 PM, a dehqan<dehqan65 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I was a c++ & PHP programmer before but now i'm not ;
> > and should someone be a pro programmer to use openmoko ?
>
> You do not need to be a professional programmer to use the Freerunner.

Indeed. To add up on this, the whole idea of the freesmartphone.org framework 
we use on SHR and Openmoko 2009.x (and some other distros) is to provide high 
level abstractions for you to make programming simple.

:M:



From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Sat Jun  6 10:44:33 2009
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 10:44:33 +0200
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
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On 6/6/09, Ben Wong <lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sebastian
> Krzyszkowiak<seba.dos1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 21:25, Ken Young<rtm at cfa.harvard.edu> wrote:
>>> dehqan65 at gmail.com wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>> I'm not programmer and maybe can not  do anything for that .
>>>
>>> I think it is very unlikely that you will be able to get an Openmoko
>>> phone to work for you with Farsi text unless you able to do some
>>> programming, or at least port some code.   (Afsoos mikhoram!)
>>>
>>> Ken Young
>>
>> SHR supports UTF-8 and RTL languages. Isn't that enough?
>
> I just partially tested this out and, yes, Farsi SMS can be sent and
> received with SHR.  Now, I don't speak Persian, so I just cut and
> pasted a bit of Obama's Nowruz address from the web (via Midori).  The
> SMS sending program doesn't have a Paste menu item, but Ctrl+V works.
> Although the text was left justified, the characters were received in
> the proper right-to-left order.
>
> Of course, I say "partially" tested, because I didn't try out an input
> method.  If someone could do that, I'd be curious to know if it works.
>  By the way, I believe SCIM can handle Persian transliteration from a
> QWERTY keyboard, so that might be a quick work around until someone
> makes a Farsi keyboard.
>
> --Ben
>
> P.S. This is what I sent:
> ?????? ??????? ????? ???????
>          ???? ??????
>        ???????? ?? ???
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>

You can copy'n'paste in messages app. Just long press in place, where
you want to select, cut, copy or paste :)


From lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net  Sat Jun  6 11:01:50 2009
From: lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net (Ben Wong)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 02:01:50 -0700
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
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> You can copy'n'paste in messages app. Just long press in place, where
> you want to select, cut, copy or paste :)

Oh, neat.  That's the way I had expected it to work.  I think there
may be a small bug.  If I press in the empty part of the text box,
nothing happens.  I had to click very close to the insertion cursor to
make the menu pop up.  I'm surprised the text box widget doesn't treat
any blank space at the end as being the same as the very last
character of text.  Is this a known bug/feature?

Thanks for the tip!

--Ben


From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Sat Jun  6 11:06:01 2009
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 11:06:01 +0200
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In-Reply-To: <47e8c68d0906060201t5017759epa5ac6fa95f0286b9@mail.gmail.com>
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Well, it works good for me ;x Do you have latest -unstable?

On 6/6/09, Ben Wong <lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net> wrote:
>> You can copy'n'paste in messages app. Just long press in place, where
>> you want to select, cut, copy or paste :)
>
> Oh, neat.  That's the way I had expected it to work.  I think there
> may be a small bug.  If I press in the empty part of the text box,
> nothing happens.  I had to click very close to the insertion cursor to
> make the menu pop up.  I'm surprised the text box widget doesn't treat
> any blank space at the end as being the same as the very last
> character of text.  Is this a known bug/feature?
>
> Thanks for the tip!
>
> --Ben
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net  Sat Jun  6 11:15:25 2009
From: lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net (Ben Wong)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 02:15:25 -0700
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In-Reply-To: <c30e08170906060206ie8afdabv1cd1309eb46bcf1c@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 2:06 AM, Sebastian
Krzyszkowiak<seba.dos1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, it works good for me ;x Do you have latest -unstable?

Ah, that's my problem.  I'm using shr-testing.  Thanks, again!

--Ben


From gecco at napodano.com  Sat Jun  6 11:46:01 2009
From: gecco at napodano.com (Carlo Minucci)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 11:46:01 +0200
Subject: gtkaddpoi 0.7 is out
Message-ID: <4A2A3AD9.7070707@napodano.com>

i have fix some bug

* now work with tangogps empty table
* work if latitude or longitude integer number is minor of 10
* query don't fail is there is a "/" in the address or name

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gtkaddpoi


From wolfgang at openmoko.org  Sat Jun  6 12:13:33 2009
From: wolfgang at openmoko.org (Wolfgang Spraul)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 18:13:33 +0800
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <7780e76c0906052001t3c433134l96315e4fe5c623f4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B2JmzhoVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
	<4A296E13.3000601@openmoko>	<4A29CDBB.30509@bshed.com>
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Dale,

> The Freerunner had (has?) great potential, but we
> couldn't realize that potential without basic reliable functionality.
> If the concerted efforts of many talented (in some cases even paid)
> engineers couldn't achieve that basic milestone, it seems unlikely
> that it will be achieved by a loosely-organized group of unpaid (and
> demoralized) volunteers.

Thanks for your concern and (slight) impatience.
Several efforts are underway to form really solid groups, both community 
and commercial, to continue with the open phone.
I haven't noticed any demoralization, quite to the contrary. But I do 
believe the size of our community is stagnant or slowly shrinking. Which 
only makes sense given that there is not much visible progress right now.

BTW here are some interesting statistics about our community:
http://downloads.openmoko.org/stats/05/
And number of subscribers to our mailing lists:
https://monitor.openmoko.org/munin/chandra/sita.openmoko.org-mailman_detail.html
(openmoko-kernel is missing for some reason, we will fix this, I believe 
it has around 600 subscribers)

As for the 'big picture' of open devices - on the technical level there 
are a number of categories that are merging over the next few years: 
phones, portable media players, electronic dictionaries, navigation 
devices. Other non-mobile categories are also not far behind (picture 
frames, set-top boxes, wifi routers, NAS). For these types of devices, 
there are a few 'open' options here and there, but by Openmoko's 
standards for the largest part it's all closed.

Going forward we need to find more semiconductor partners that 
understand 'open' and know how they can create value with it.
In today's consumer electronics industry, semiconductor companies are 
the ones writing the drivers, they do reference designs for 
manufacturers. Trying to do open devices without the help of 
semiconductor companies will just not work.
The good news is that pretty much all semiconductors have a relaxed, and 
often friendly, attitude towards 'Linux' nowadays. They see the 
potential, and real size of the market today. Things like Android help 
tremendously!

Bottom line - the path to a fully open phone as envisioned by Openmoko 
and our phantastic community is still long. Maybe even 5+ years.
I'm not discouraged by that at all. gta02-core is on track, and Werner 
has as clear a long-term plan of why and where this will all go as 
everybody else. Realistically I am hoping that actual physical hardware 
will come out of it within 12 months or so.
In other parts of the Openmoko landscape, work is going on on non-phone 
projects, whether they are called Project B or C or D.
Even if those devices are not a phone initially, trust me they will all 
become phones :-)

Thanks for staying with us, I hope you enjoy the ride with your 
'pioneering' Neo (I'm a daily user myself).
Best Regards, and keep your feedback coming!
Wolfgang

Dale Schumacher wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Boris Wong<lists.boris at bshed.com> wrote:
>   
>> Steve Mosher wrote:
>>     
>>> 1. Its a mobile Phone First, and a multi purpose platform secondarily
>>>
>>>       
>> I actually like the perspective of #1 very much and you should keep it
>> as such.
>>     
> ...snip...
>   
>> Free the phone; we already have multi-purpose platform devices that run
>> linux.
>>     
>
> I'm totally on-board with this message, vision and mission.  The
> problem is--after all this time, that vision remains unfulfilled.  My
> biggest disappointment has been the fact that my Openmoko Freerunner
> (which I've had since helping form the Austin buying group) is still
> not _nearly_ as reliable as any cheap simple handset I can get for 10%
> of the cost.  The Freerunner had (has?) great potential, but we
> couldn't realize that potential without basic reliable functionality.
> If the concerted efforts of many talented (in some cases even paid)
> engineers couldn't achieve that basic milestone, it seems unlikely
> that it will be achieved by a loosely-organized group of unpaid (and
> demoralized) volunteers.
>
> I truly hope I'm wrong--and I applaud the efforts of those who
> continue to strive for this goal.  I also want to express my thanks
> for the efforts of all those who have worked so long and hard trying
> to achieve this vision.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>   



From werner at openmoko.org  Sat Jun  6 12:23:19 2009
From: werner at openmoko.org (Werner Almesberger)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 07:23:19 -0300
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <7780e76c0906052001t3c433134l96315e4fe5c623f4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B2JmzhoVfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <4A296E13.3000601@openmoko>
	<4A29CDBB.30509@bshed.com>
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Message-ID: <20090606102319.GJ4625@almesberger.net>

Dale Schumacher wrote:
> If the concerted efforts of many talented (in some cases even paid)
> engineers couldn't achieve that basic milestone, it seems unlikely
> that it will be achieved by a loosely-organized group of unpaid (and
> demoralized) volunteers.

You can view the situation also as an opportunity to change some
of the structure of the project. Openmoko Inc. had certain
constraints due to the way it was conceived. Some of them looked
good at the beginning but later caused problems - yet were too
difficult to change.

The good thing about a new start is that you can stop fighting the
mistakes of the past and turn your full attention towards making
new ones ;-)

- Werner


From raster at rasterman.com  Sat Jun  6 12:28:11 2009
From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman))
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 20:28:11 +1000
Subject: RFC Using MPX for accelerometers
In-Reply-To: <20090605205948.3ceaeb54@Lina>
References: <20090605205948.3ceaeb54@Lina>
Message-ID: <20090606202811.2d5a16be.raster@rasterman.com>

On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:59:48 +0200 Abelenda <diego.abelenda at gmail.com> said:

> I've had an idea that might not be so bad.
> 
> MPX is due for the next release of Xorg, so why not use it for the
> accelerometers, it could create a somewhat standard interface for the
> applications (think about compatibility for other devices than the
> freerunner) to see the state of the accelerometers. An application that
> is fullscreen/selected could just grab the input and release it if
> it is no more selected. The nice thing is that application not
> compatible with Xi2 would not see the device if it is configured as
> additionnal pointer and not default one.
> 
> If an application needs only pattern recognitions and not the position
> of the pointer, we could create a lib, so that it could be portable for
> other devices.

mpx. hell mo. you should read up on mpx more. if u wantg standard input devices
exposing the accelerometers to x - use x input devices,. see the x input
extension. it's been there for as long as i've used x (12 years). it can expose
advanced devices with many input properties.in fact we should expose an
xinput device that shadows the core cursor that will allow us to modify the
touchscreen parameters (eg turn the ts off, etc.). also while i'm at it
backlight control should be exposed through xrandr and output device properties
(see xblacklight for info 0 it works on intel gfx chips just fine - via xrandr.
the fact everyone goes behind x's back to fiddle with backlight and play
with /sys/* is bad).

-- 
------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" --------------
The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)    raster at rasterman.com



From chris at csamuel.org  Sat Jun  6 12:33:45 2009
From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 20:33:45 +1000
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
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On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 06:03:05 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:

Hiya,

> 2.6.24? Hmmm ... qtmoko will work, but you'll probably get double sms's and
> indications of missed calls for every incoming call ... O no, wait, I fixed
> those.

That's why I'm back (thanks)! ;-)

> Probably the issue will be that the system will not unsuspend when receiving
> an sms,

Nope, that works.

> I believe that was kernel related (modem). But there have been fixes in that
> area too, so you might want to test some stuff:
>
> - outgoing call
> - incoming call
> - incoming call while in suspend
> - outgoing sms
> - incoming sms
> - incoming sms while in suspend

Those all used to work with this kernel previously, will report any problems!

> - alarm

That used to work if it was plugged in.

> - alarm wakes the phone while in suspend (see that the atd package is
>   installed for this to work)

Not yet tested.

> - bluetooth (since you run on 2.6.24 kernel, bluetooth should work as
>   long as you don't suspend, but of course don't uninstall bluetooth as
>   per my install script then)

Don't use it, so I'm happy to see it disabled by default in the new image. :-)

Thanks again for all the work on this, my C++ is far worse than my C so I've 
found I'm not really able to contribute to this.. :-(

cheers!
Chris
-- 
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From claregj at gmail.com  Sat Jun  6 12:50:51 2009
From: claregj at gmail.com (clare johnstone)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 18:50:51 +0800
Subject: Freerunner's Future
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On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Werner Almesberger<werner at openmoko.org> wrote:

> The good thing about a new start is that you can stop fighting the
> mistakes of the past and turn your full attention towards making
> new ones ;-)
>
> - Werner

Lovely, made me laugh which was needed after all that.

I will get started on it right now,

cheers,
clare


From roguemoko at roguewrt.org  Sat Jun  6 14:24:54 2009
From: roguemoko at roguewrt.org (roguemoko at roguewrt.org)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:24:54 +1000
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <op.uuxwod1641evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin>	<4A247217.3060800@roguewrt.org>	<dae089cf0906020611y5478bfe2n9a30d6f6b2a7d124@mail.gmail.com>	<op.uuwfardn41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>	<4A25BA2D.6040009@roguewrt.org>
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On 3/06/2009 6:32 PM, arne anka wrote:
>> Oh did I say that questioning Qi was spreading FUD and mail congestion?
>
> that's how i understood it.

Well you'd be wrong again. There's an old saying about assumptions but 
I'll leave that up to you to research, or you could just take a stab at 
it as you seem to have quite a knack for that.

>> My apologies. I'll rephrase. Criticising features you know nothing about
>> in a thread about a question you contributed nothing to is spreading FUD
>> and causing mail congestion.
>
> what exactly is your problem?
>   from the information i gathered over time from this list i deduced qi was
> aimed at reading the kernel from /boot, not from the nand partition.
> together with "qi does not understand jffs2" i simply infered it would not
> work with flash at all.

No, you implied it was useless ... ending in something like 'imho'.

> turns out, that was wrong.
> now i see, that indeed qi with flash has at least ... limited usability,
> because obviously due to jffs2 support (however that is possible, since
> jffs2 is the first fs of the freerunner) that file appending boot options
> can not be read.
>
> paul answered in a totally inappropriate way and you continue that way
> down.
> if all you want to say is "i am great! i loathe you inferior creature" --
> you did it.
> as long you have nothing to contribute in terms of usefull information you
> can shut up now.

Hah, what a hypocrite. Useless contribution is your forte! Mate, get a 
clue. I've seen you try and shut threads down in their infancy before 
the poster has received their desired outcome on more than one occasion. 
I don't purport to be better than anyone, to the contrary, I merely like 
to point out when someone is being a complete knob.

There's another old saying ... 'practice what you preach' ... look it up.

Cheers.

Sarton


From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Sat Jun  6 14:29:55 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 13:29:55 +0100
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <47e8c68d0906052307w7981e7ebtf0b9556fc4113302@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B2JmzhoVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
	<7780e76c0906052001t3c433134l96315e4fe5c623f4@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <200906061329.55977.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Saturday 06 June 2009, Ben Wong wrote:
> > My biggest disappointment has been the fact that my Openmoko Freerunner
> > (which I've had since helping form the Austin buying group) is still
> > not _nearly_ as reliable as any cheap simple handset I can get for 10%
> > of the cost.
>
> Not to disagree, I'd like to share that in the short time I've been
> using my Freerunner as my only phone it has been much, MUCH, more
> reliable than my previous "smart" phone.

I was particularly amused to find a friend's Sony-Ericsson has the Buzz issue. 
Another bug is a tendency to switch network in the middle of a call when 
roaming, leaving both ends with a silent line. Then there was the long list of 
niggles and frustrations...at least we get to do something about (most of) our 
bugs.



From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Sat Jun  6 14:57:09 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 13:57:09 +0100
Subject: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
In-Reply-To: <20090606072706.GE4421@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
References: <B2Jm-4HVfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <4A297172.1070200@openmoko>
	<20090606072706.GE4421@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
Message-ID: <200906061357.09394.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Saturday 06 June 2009, Harald Welte wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 12:26:42PM -0700, Steve Mosher wrote:
> > I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is
> > the position, held by some, that any hardware that is merely CAPABLE of
> > mp3 decode is required to apply for a license.
>
> I think that position cannot hold strong in any court of law.  You cannot
> charge a MP3 license for each and every general purpose computing device. 
> This would mean that e.g. every PC mainboard would have to pay the MP3
> royalties, and I can assure you, they dont ;)
>
> So even while sisvel or others might claim such a position, it is
> pointless.

That depends on what the point is. It's no good being right if you can't 
afford to prove it. Many will pay for a license they don't need because it's 
cheaper than litigation. It's a legal form of extortion.



From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Sat Jun  6 15:05:53 2009
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 15:05:53 +0200
Subject: MP3 patents
In-Reply-To: <1244229319.14533.0.camel@pieterc-laptop>
References: <B2Jm-4HVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>	<200906051352.39550.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>	<5c6ceea80906050616v559c23dfs2d1788038de4df74@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244229319.14533.0.camel@pieterc-laptop>
Message-ID: <4A2A69B1.50903@seznam.cz>

Pieter Colpaert wrote:

> let's create a "music uploader" for OM2009 & SHR (on your pc: so should
> have a version for linux as well as for mac and wyndaws):
> The main screen should give us a selector list of all songs on your pc,
> no matter if they're mp3/ogg/wav/etc when uploaded (through scp, that's
> easy I guess) they get automatically converted to ogg, which is a quite
> good standard to use on the openmoko.

In qtmoko we have program qmplayer that does conversion of avi files to
FR resolution. Should be more then easy to do this for mp3->ogg. The
program is using QT and it works on FR, PC (both windows and linux is
supported). You can download media on device using the same qmplayer or
from web browser so it can work for all distros.

You can check sources and now not-so-fresh binaries here [1].

Btw while you can avoid patents with mp3->ogg it's still not possible to
do the same for avi, because FR cant play theora vides full screen now
(or someone please prove me that i am wrong :)

Radek

[1] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qmplayer/


From swap38 at openmoko-fr.org  Sat Jun  6 15:59:30 2009
From: swap38 at openmoko-fr.org (swap38)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 15:59:30 +0200
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410906021443y23d9899atad8cfeb26ea03612@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>	<20090602164404.GC20804@roque.1407.org>	<3d032e5d0906021330m5fb86f2cj6cdecba4833c94a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3e504410906021443y23d9899atad8cfeb26ea03612@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2A7642.6030602@openmoko-fr.org>

Risto H. Kurppa a ?crit :
> I'd like to see some kind of democratic structure created to guide us
> somewhere where most of us want to go.

Do you think about a kind of Openmoko Foundation like Wikimedia or Mozilla ?

It can be a good way to manage projects, communities ... and maybe money
? ;-)

-- 
swap38


From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Sat Jun  6 16:15:43 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 16:15:43 +0200
Subject: Paroli introduction video
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc80906060715h70965248r9ae448c78dd54a61@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list,

Im toying with the idea, of creating a Paroli introduction video,
where I present all the
basic phone functionality of paroli. Short of a tutorial, where I can
point the newcomers to.

I have began to shoot the video, and made about 5 min, where I needed
to cut off.
The video is not finished, and I will reshoot it, as it is blurry, and
shacked the camera a lot.

However, I will be not able reshoot it before wednesday or later next week.

So Im posting this *work-in-progress* 10% made video to the community
hoping that
somebody with willing to record the audio will join me, and others
will have some
feedbacks too. I also hoping, if some of you have done video editing
before, and
can adjust the background sound, with voice, and finalise the video
will step up, and
help me.

Otherwise I will reshoot the video next week, and put online as-is. I
hope it will
be less blurry (the lcd is broken in my camera, so cant see anything
while filming;-|)

What I really like in this video, is how speedy paroli is. There is
not much waiting, the
video is realtime, was absolutely no editing in it.

http://www.vimeo.com/5029019

Feedbacks?

Laszlo

PS: bear in mind, that this is my first video. Dont be too harsh.


From peter at strapp.co.uk  Sat Jun  6 16:27:14 2009
From: peter at strapp.co.uk (Peter Strapp)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 15:27:14 +0100
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Freerunner_with_buzz_fix_applied_for_?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?sale_in_the_UK=2E_=A399=2C_no_reserve_on_?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?eBay=2E?=
Message-ID: <4A2A7CC2.1090000@strapp.co.uk>

Hi all,
For those who are looking for a Freerunner in the UK, I have mine (with 
buzz fix applied) listed for sale on eBay.co.uk.

It has a start price of ?99 and no reserve. More info can be found at:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190312832538

Regards,
Peter.


From steve at openmoko.com  Sat Jun  6 17:06:08 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 08:06:08 -0700
Subject: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80906051439lc64cb11i881e1575a618ef28@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B2Jm-4HVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>	<200906051352.39550.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>	<4A297172.1070200@openmoko>	<2c97fe9d0906051336j1ced7187s48ec6f95b38a554a@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c6ceea80906051439lc64cb11i881e1575a618ef28@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2A85E0.8050106@openmoko>

David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
> 2009/6/5 Tim Schmidt <timschmidt at gmail.com>:
>   
>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Steve Mosher<steve at openmoko.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is
>>> the position,
>>> held by some, that any hardware that is merely CAPABLE of mp3 decode is
>>> required
>>> to apply for a license.
>>>       
>> So these dolts want a license fee for every turing complete computer
>> above a few mips?
>>     
> in short yes, in Spain is even more blooding, because apart of format
> war licences in customs, there is local  agency called SGAE that
> succeeds in make pay a fee for any device not only able to play mp3
> but any kind of music, and that's not all, not only to play but to
> keep any kind of multimedia format (this include CD/DVD-R, HD,
> SDCards....)
> Is no matter of common sense or logic, now a days with law at hand,
> they can do it and they do. Then is your work to demonstrate in court
> you are right but meanwhile you are totally fuc$%ed. Scaring ,isn't
> it?
> Steve the problem is that "some" holding the position, are the ones
> that have enough money/power/time/knowledge to sue you, because even
> If they know they can loose in the court, in a way or another you will
> pay because you just can afford and stand in the whole long proccess,
> is their daily routine.
>   
    Yes,  I know this is the problem. Perhaps I wasnt clear enough in my 
cryptic note. The issue
    isnt whether or not this position is valid or will "win" in court. 
The issue is this. can you afford
    to defend yourself?  At one company I worked at the rule was pretty 
simple. Try to settle anything
    that was less than a certain dollar amount, say  XYZ dollars, 
because the cost to even get in front of a judge
    was XYZ dollars. I cant count the number of times I was told " they 
have no case, but the cost to prove it
    is $$$, go work out a deal"

   
>> --tim
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>>     
>
>
>
>   



From steve at openmoko.com  Sat Jun  6 17:47:03 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 08:47:03 -0700
Subject: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
In-Reply-To: <200906061357.09394.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <B2Jm-4HVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
	<4A297172.1070200@openmoko>	<20090606072706.GE4421@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<200906061357.09394.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A2A8F77.9070002@openmoko>

Al Johnson wrote:
> On Saturday 06 June 2009, Harald Welte wrote:
>   
>> On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 12:26:42PM -0700, Steve Mosher wrote:
>>     
>>> I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is
>>> the position, held by some, that any hardware that is merely CAPABLE of
>>> mp3 decode is required to apply for a license.
>>>       
>> I think that position cannot hold strong in any court of law.  You cannot
>> charge a MP3 license for each and every general purpose computing device. 
>> This would mean that e.g. every PC mainboard would have to pay the MP3
>> royalties, and I can assure you, they dont ;)
>>
>> So even while sisvel or others might claim such a position, it is
>> pointless.
>>     
>
> That depends on what the point is. It's no good being right if you can't 
> afford to prove it. Many will pay for a license they don't need because it's 
> cheaper than litigation. It's a legal form of extortion.
>   
    +1.
  
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>   



From GNUtoo at no-log.org  Sat Jun  6 17:49:12 2009
From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (GNUtoo)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:49:12 +0200
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <4A2A7642.6030602@openmoko-fr.org>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090602164404.GC20804@roque.1407.org>
	<3d032e5d0906021330m5fb86f2cj6cdecba4833c94a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3e504410906021443y23d9899atad8cfeb26ea03612@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A2A7642.6030602@openmoko-fr.org>
Message-ID: <1244303357.6643.47.camel@port4>

On Sat, 2009-06-06 at 15:59 +0200, swap38 wrote:
> Risto H. Kurppa a ?crit :
> > I'd like to see some kind of democratic structure created to guide us
> > somewhere where most of us want to go.
> 
> Do you think about a kind of Openmoko Foundation like Wikimedia or Mozilla ?
> 
> It can be a good way to manage projects, communities ... and maybe money
> ? ;-)
good idea...
an umbrella organization would be the easiest way:
http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2008/foss-primer.html#x1-190003
Denis.




From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Sat Jun  6 18:04:57 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 17:04:57 +0100
Subject: MP3 patents
In-Reply-To: <4A2A69B1.50903@seznam.cz>
References: <B2Jm-4HVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
	<1244229319.14533.0.camel@pieterc-laptop>
	<4A2A69B1.50903@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <200906061704.58150.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Saturday 06 June 2009, Radek Polak wrote:
> Btw while you can avoid patents with mp3->ogg it's still not possible to
> do the same for avi, because FR cant play theora vides full screen now
> (or someone please prove me that i am wrong :)

We _might_ be in the clear with h264 when playback is hardware accelerated. 
The chipset manufacturer should have licensed the required patents, and there 
was a recent ruling against patent double-dipping in the US. It depends on 
whether all the bits requiring patents are done in hardware, or whether we 
have to do some of it in software before sending it to the glamo.


From maddog at li.org  Sat Jun  6 18:42:31 2009
From: maddog at li.org (Jon 'maddog' Hall)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 12:42:31 -0400
Subject: Linux International and Openmoko
Message-ID: <1244306551.6311.31.camel@shamet>

Hello,

I understand that there has been a discussion on this list about having
a foundation that would represent the community of Openmoko.

Fifteen years ago Linux International was created to provide services
for the Linux community.  It was started as a vendor organization, at a
time when there were not many vendors interested in Linux.  We handled a
lot of legal and business issues for Linux:

o Protected the Linux Trademark from people that would "kidnap" it for
various reasons
o Helped to start two certification organizations (we funded some of the
original testing work for LPI certification)
o Helped to start the Linux Standard Base project, which became the Free
Standards Group
o Helped to form what became Linuxworld
o Helped many local user groups start local events, most notably the
Atlanta LinuxFest and the Ohio LinuxFest

We tended to split off the groups we formed, afraid that one vendor
organization would provide too much power in a centralized organization.

For various reasons as larger companies started to show interest in
Linux, our membership went to form OSDL, which now is the Linux
Foundation.  Linux International as an organization has been dormant for
about five years.  I have still been spreading the word about Free
Software at conferences, through magazine articles and media interviews.

Recently I came up with the idea of reforming Linux International into
an "end user" organization, with the concept that no company could join
as a member, nor sit on the board of directors as a member.  Only
individual end users could hold membership, vote, etc.  Of course almost
everybody is an end user of some type of software, so the membership
would be quite "open".  I have been working to change the charter of LI
to reflect this.

Recently I started another project, not a phone, but otherwise similar
in its needs to Openmoko.  This other project will have a community, be
completely "open", and needs an umbrella organization to help with legal
work, etc.  I intend on forming a sub-group of LI for this project.

I could offer the same to Openmoko, to be a sub-group of LI.

Linux International is already a legal entity.  We are a
"not-for-profit" in the state of New Hampshire, U.S.A.  There are
reasons why LI is a "not-for-profit" instead of a non-profit (501c3 or
501c6) which have to do with ease of applying revenues, etc.  Nothing
stops LI from becoming a 501c6 (501c3 is very restrictive), and nothing
would stop the sub-group of Openmoko from becoming a non-profit, if that
is desired.

Likewise the plans for LI are to have country chapters, with separate
boards for each country chapter.  This was planned way before the
current issue with Openmoko, but you could take advantage of the planned
structure if you wish.

LI would solicit sponsorships to help fund its work which could come
from companies, but again the voting membership would be from
individuals only.  The things that LI does would be "Open" to all.  We
do plan on having some things we charge for, to cover costs.

If the Openmoko community is interested in pursuing this, I would be
happy to discuss LI's plans further with you, and how Openmoko could fit
into this.

Warmest regards,

Jon "maddog" Hall
-- 
Jon "maddog" Hall
Executive Director           Linux International(R)
email: maddog at li.org         80 Amherst St. 
Voice: +1.603.672.4557       Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A.
Cell:  +1.603.943.6666       WWW: http://www.li.org

Board Member: Uniforum Association
Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006)

(R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several
countries.
(R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used
pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of
Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis
(R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other
countries.



From swap38 at openmoko-fr.org  Sat Jun  6 19:54:09 2009
From: swap38 at openmoko-fr.org (swap38)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 19:54:09 +0200
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <4A2575F7.5070401@openmoko.com>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>		<4A2561A6.4010306@openmoko.com>	<dc6682e90906021045l5ab15331w2ce852c99eed9270@mail.gmail.com>	<4A256AEF.6020109@openmoko.com>
	<4A2575F7.5070401@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <4A2AAD41.2080305@openmoko-fr.org>

Steve Mosher a ?crit :
>   Community,
>
>     To start off I have this list of proposed FAQs kindly generated by 
> Werner. I'm going to ask for a volunteer to incorpoate this into an
> appropriate place in the wiki.
>
> Any takers?

Hi Steve,

I created this page (just a draft) :
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_transition

Is it what you expect ?

-- 
swap38


From lee at cmccreery.com  Sat Jun  6 20:32:11 2009
From: lee at cmccreery.com (error)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 11:32:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ALL] Tango GPS tracking sample rate
Message-ID: <1244313131613-3036194.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi All,

I am looking to use the Tango GPS to track a trip.  When using the tracking
feature it samples at "position per second" which creates a very large file
over an 8 hour trip.

Is there a config file that I can change to take a sample maybe every minute
or 5 minutes?

Thanks......

Lee
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From rask at sygehus.dk  Sat Jun  6 21:15:42 2009
From: rask at sygehus.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 21:15:42 +0200
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <op.uuxwod1641evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin>
	<4A247217.3060800@roguewrt.org>
	<dae089cf0906020611y5478bfe2n9a30d6f6b2a7d124@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.uuwfardn41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<4A25BA2D.6040009@roguewrt.org>
	<op.uuxwod1641evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <20090606191542.GP27350@sygehus.dk>

On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 10:32:27AM +0200, arne anka wrote:

> now i see, that indeed qi with flash has at least ... limited usability,  
> because obviously due to jffs2 support (however that is possible, since  
> jffs2 is the first fs of the freerunner) that file appending boot options  
> can not be read.

   Qi can read the kernel from NAND simply because the kernel partition does
not use a file system. We just just dump the kernel image there.

-- 
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year


From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Sat Jun  6 21:26:45 2009
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 21:26:45 +0200
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <20090606191542.GP27350@sygehus.dk>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp> 
	<op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin> <4A247217.3060800@roguewrt.org> 
	<dae089cf0906020611y5478bfe2n9a30d6f6b2a7d124@mail.gmail.com> 
	<op.uuwfardn41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de> 
	<4A25BA2D.6040009@roguewrt.org>
	<op.uuxwod1641evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de> 
	<20090606191542.GP27350@sygehus.dk>
Message-ID: <c30e08170906061226o6b5995fbrcea4612ba82d3f4d@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 21:15, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen<rask at sygehus.dk> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 10:32:27AM +0200, arne anka wrote:
>
>> now i see, that indeed qi with flash has at least ... limited usability,
>> because obviously due to jffs2 support (however that is possible, since
>> jffs2 is the first fs of the freerunner) that file appending boot options
>> can not be read.
>
> ? Qi can read the kernel from NAND simply because the kernel partition does
> not use a file system. We just just dump the kernel image there.
>
> --
> Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
> Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year

What about using uboot_env partition to store boot options? (and
reading it also by just dumping bytes)


From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Sat Jun  6 21:42:54 2009
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 21:42:54 +0200
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <20090606191542.GP27350@sygehus.dk>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin>
	<4A247217.3060800@roguewrt.org>
	<dae089cf0906020611y5478bfe2n9a30d6f6b2a7d124@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.uuwfardn41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<4A25BA2D.6040009@roguewrt.org>
	<op.uuxwod1641evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<20090606191542.GP27350@sygehus.dk>
Message-ID: <op.uu4bpsqe41evsb@eeeginguppin>

>> now i see, that indeed qi with flash has at least ... limited usability,
>> because obviously due to jffs2 support (however that is possible, since
>> jffs2 is the first fs of the freerunner) that file appending boot  
>> options
>> can not be read.
>
>    Qi can read the kernel from NAND simply because the kernel partition  
> does
> not use a file system. We just just dump the kernel image there.


 from werner's explanation i understand why it is designed so, sd being the  
preferred storage.
yet, i think it's a flaw not to support jffs2 -- but that's just my  
opinion.
using the u-boot env as surrogate /boot/append*, as springs to mind and  
was suggested, sounds like a good idea -- but the beauty of the  
/boot//append* file is of course its easy access and modification.



From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Sat Jun  6 21:49:39 2009
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 21:49:39 +0200
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
In-Reply-To: <op.uu4bpsqe41evsb@eeeginguppin>
References: <200906012026.54035.chris@csamuel.org>
	<m2hbz0ky7l.fsf@home.pavel.comp> 
	<op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin> <4A247217.3060800@roguewrt.org> 
	<dae089cf0906020611y5478bfe2n9a30d6f6b2a7d124@mail.gmail.com> 
	<op.uuwfardn41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de> 
	<4A25BA2D.6040009@roguewrt.org>
	<op.uuxwod1641evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de> 
	<20090606191542.GP27350@sygehus.dk> <op.uu4bpsqe41evsb@eeeginguppin>
Message-ID: <c30e08170906061249s790e0537sd90821826b08d1db@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 21:42, arne anka<openmoko at ginguppin.de> wrote:
>>> now i see, that indeed qi with flash has at least ... limited usability,
>>> because obviously due to jffs2 support (however that is possible, since
>>> jffs2 is the first fs of the freerunner) that file appending boot
>>> options
>>> can not be read.
>>
>> ? ?Qi can read the kernel from NAND simply because the kernel partition
>> does
>> not use a file system. We just just dump the kernel image there.
>
>
> ?from werner's explanation i understand why it is designed so, sd being the
> preferred storage.
> yet, i think it's a flaw not to support jffs2 -- but that's just my
> opinion.
> using the u-boot env as surrogate /boot/append*, as springs to mind and
> was suggested, sounds like a good idea -- but the beauty of the
> /boot//append* file is of course its easy access and modification.

Well, something like cat /boot/append-GTA02 > /dev/mtdblock2 should be
enough to save modifications :)


From pike-openmoko at kw.nl  Sat Jun  6 22:09:14 2009
From: pike-openmoko at kw.nl (pike)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:09:14 +0200
Subject: Community-driven redesign / new theme for Paroli
In-Reply-To: <4A140320.1030201@kw.nl>
References: <4A0E5F8B.1050908@openmoko.org> <4A0E795A.5050203@kw.nl>
	<4A140320.1030201@kw.nl>
Message-ID: <4A2ACCEA.7060104@kw.nl>

Hi

> I'm keeping a list of a few optimisations i
> can think of; i'll fill it over the next few
> days; 
> .. and i'll add them as a 'design concept', 
 > if that seems appropriate.

I haven't really done that; but
instead, I've been translating my 'few
optimisations' into a 'few mockups' and added
them here
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli-themes

.. but it was a bit confusing to do that. I assume
someone (Mirko?) is still leading on development
of paroli. And I assume something like this - simply
optimizing the default ui - has been in someones
agenda already.

Ofcourse, I could just start making my own edje
files. But if another, also improved, paroli
is coming along, why would I. And I don't like
edje very much from the looks of it.

Unless, ofcourse, someone finds this very
interesting. In which case I might have a
few spare evenings to do some more.

Otherwise, I might still make a text
version of the 'few optimisations' I
could think of, anyway.


$2c,
*-pike



From spam at keymeulen.com  Sat Jun  6 22:00:36 2009
From: spam at keymeulen.com (Jan Keymeulen)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 22:00:36 +0200
Subject: Palm Pre style iPod spoofing
Message-ID: <20090606200035.GH15419@thuis.keymeulen.com>

Maybe you've all heard about Palm's answer to the iPhone,
the Palm Pre, is spoofing the iPod when connected through USB, so one
can use iTunes to sync music with it.

Could this be done with our Neo's? I don't suppose it should be that hard,
something like switching between usb networking and usb mass storage.
Could be usefull, since there is already a lot of music syncing software
out there, be it iTunes or not...

-- 
I used to think that the only music was love music. I was wrong. 
  -- Frank Zappa


From fredrik.normann.junk at gmail.com  Sat Jun  6 22:18:37 2009
From: fredrik.normann.junk at gmail.com (fredrik normann)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 17:18:37 -0300
Subject: Paroli introduction video
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc80906060715h70965248r9ae448c78dd54a61@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c4cd0cc80906060715h70965248r9ae448c78dd54a61@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c14791670906061318y4f829710nddb1170cbc27a49@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Laszlo KREKACS <
laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.vimeo.com/5029019
>
> Feedbacks?


Nice lowtech hitech vid. Dugged
http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_cellphone_running_Paroli_phoneapp

-fredrik-
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From dehqan65 at gmail.com  Sat Jun  6 22:22:26 2009
From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (a dehqan)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 00:52:26 +0430
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In-Reply-To: <47e8c68d0906060129t2178edbfk379f0f3225b73891@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0906051519350.30176@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu>
	<267bb6670906052328p65deaab7mafa01c811421e21d@mail.gmail.com>
	<47e8c68d0906060129t2178edbfk379f0f3225b73891@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <267bb6670906061322i557e89ds325a75c8e60f321e@mail.gmail.com>

In The Name Of God

Thanks alot for your attentions ;

> "Input method" just means a way of typing characters that are not on
> your keyboard. ?For example, in Debian GNU/Linux, one can run this
> command to use a standard US keyboard to type Persian[1] using the
> Iranian standard for keyboards[2]:
>
> ?setxkbmap -v -rules xfree86 -model pc104 -layout "us,ir" -option
> "grp:alt_shift_toggle" -option "grp_led:caps"
>
> When I run that on my desktop computer, I am then able to hit
> ALT+SHIFT to toggle between Farsi and English input. ?Now when I type
> ABCabc123 on my keyboard I get ?????????. ?Of course, that doesn't
> help you on the Freerunner, which doesn't have a physical keyboard.
> Someone (perhaps you?) needs to design a Farsi onscreen keyboard.
> Another person on this thread said that it was relatively easy, but I
> don't know having never done it.

So there is a persian layer yes ?so is not possible to change layer in
another way except input methode suchlike a command or a script ?
>You can copy'n'paste in messages app. Just long press in place, where
>you want to select, cut, copy or paste :)
No ,messages should be typed whenever is needed and often can not be
ready beforehand.

Regards dehqan


From risto at kurppa.fi  Sat Jun  6 22:26:07 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 23:26:07 +0300
Subject: Community-driven redesign / new theme for Paroli
In-Reply-To: <4A2ACCEA.7060104@kw.nl>
References: <4A0E5F8B.1050908@openmoko.org> <4A0E795A.5050203@kw.nl>
	<4A140320.1030201@kw.nl> <4A2ACCEA.7060104@kw.nl>
Message-ID: <d3e504410906061326j944db5di71fef1eddca15f26@mail.gmail.com>

Hey great! All 'design guidelines' and things like that are great! I'd
like you to explain more of what's happening in the screenshots. Tell
what is new, why have you done it, what's the thinking behind it etc.

I'll try to come back to this later, hope someone will answer to you,too.


r
-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From nytowl at openmoko.org  Sat Jun  6 22:27:30 2009
From: nytowl at openmoko.org (Angus Ainslie)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 14:27:30 -0600
Subject: Om2009 testing release 4
In-Reply-To: <1244190676.5829.32.camel@ESP-PATBEN-LIN>
References: <200905211334.48701.nytowl@openmoko.org>
	<1244190676.5829.32.camel@ESP-PATBEN-LIN>
Message-ID: <200906061427.30503.nytowl@openmoko.org>

On June 5, 2009 02:31:16 am Patryk Benderz wrote:
> Looks like these:
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/
> are the same images i downloaded last time, May 21st.
> 	Am i looking for them at right place?
>

The testing images haven't changed but the unstable ones have had quite a bit 
of work done.

Angus


From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Sat Jun  6 22:27:24 2009
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 22:27:24 +0200
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In-Reply-To: <267bb6670906061322i557e89ds325a75c8e60f321e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0906051519350.30176@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu> 
	<267bb6670906052328p65deaab7mafa01c811421e21d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<47e8c68d0906060129t2178edbfk379f0f3225b73891@mail.gmail.com> 
	<267bb6670906061322i557e89ds325a75c8e60f321e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c30e08170906061327h16452e5fkfcb942f87e63e83e@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 22:22, a dehqan<dehqan65 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>You can copy'n'paste in messages app. Just long press in place, where
>>you want to select, cut, copy or paste :)
> No ,messages should be typed whenever is needed and often can not be
> ready beforehand.

I mean copying and pasting in general, as I answered to this:
"The SMS sending program doesn't have a Paste menu item, but Ctrl+V works."


From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Sat Jun  6 22:30:28 2009
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 22:30:28 +0200
Subject: Om2009 testing release 4
In-Reply-To: <b66a83e00906041431q431d05dw5c5789be7b9db83d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200905211334.48701.nytowl@openmoko.org>
	<1ae168930906041400v517f0695ib113beb443553737@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20090604212207.GA7828@roque.1407.org>
	<b66a83e00906041431q431d05dw5c5789be7b9db83d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c30e08170906061330y5d6d586ar5f3715152e24cc30@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 23:31, Warren Baird<wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> I've had better luck starting with
> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state -
> it's one of several that I've seen identified as 'the one true statefile'...
>
> If you still get buzz, then try dropping 'control.5' (Mono Playback Volume)
> -? to around 85 or 90.? That might help - although you might find that
> people have trouble hearing you.
>
> I'm currently using the gsmhandset-a7.state unmodified and seem to get ok
> results.? I've had one report of intermittent buzz during a call, but it
> wasn't super bad.
>
> Warren


The only one true statefile (TM) is
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new


From rask at sygehus.dk  Sat Jun  6 23:32:46 2009
From: rask at sygehus.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 23:32:46 +0200
Subject: Replying to messages (Was: Fundamental Qi question)
In-Reply-To: <m24ouzkhcf.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <op.uuueu3kt41evsb@ginguppin> <m28wkckxlh.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<op.uuufdpev41evsb@ginguppin> <m24ov0kxbn.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<op.uuufomb541evsb@ginguppin> <m2vdngjhzv.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<op.uuugtl2d41evsb@ginguppin> <m2my8sjgy9.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<20090601164517.GN27350@sygehus.dk>
	<m24ouzkhcf.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <20090606213246.GQ27350@sygehus.dk>

On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 09:13:20PM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote:

> Now imagine i see a message from some person, with some ML (i'm
> subscribed to Cc'd). Also there's like 5 persons in Cc list, that are
> addressed explicitly because they have something to do with the topic
> (like they're subsystem maintainers, original authors or something
> like that).
[cut]

   I'm smart enough to figure out that if someone replies to a list message
without being sent a copy directly, then that person is on the list. Most
lists don't even allow non-subscribers to post anyway. Additionally, I'm
polite enough to try list-reply before group-reply when there are no
non-subscriber addresses for group-reply to use.

> But if i press "L" and some of
> the Cc'd persons are not subscribed to the list (which is a very
> common situation for things involving different areas of interest,
> e.g. both alsa and arm) they will not receive my reply which is not
> what is intended.

   Either you have an unusually short memory or you knew perfectly well that
Arne Anka was subscribed to the list and had no use for a direct copy.

-- 
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year


From steffen.linux at gmx.de  Sat Jun  6 23:50:21 2009
From: steffen.linux at gmx.de (Steffen Winkler)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:50:21 +0200
Subject: Paroli introduction video
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc80906060715h70965248r9ae448c78dd54a61@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c4cd0cc80906060715h70965248r9ae448c78dd54a61@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1244325021.14789.1.camel@detructor15-desktop>

Wow, nice video. And sure a lot of work (painting all the papers). Nice
idea ;)


Am Samstag, den 06.06.2009, 16:15 +0200 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS:
> Dear list,
> 
> Im toying with the idea, of creating a Paroli introduction video,
> where I present all the
> basic phone functionality of paroli. Short of a tutorial, where I can
> point the newcomers to.
> 
> I have began to shoot the video, and made about 5 min, where I needed
> to cut off.
> The video is not finished, and I will reshoot it, as it is blurry, and
> shacked the camera a lot.
> 
> However, I will be not able reshoot it before wednesday or later next week.
> 
> So Im posting this *work-in-progress* 10% made video to the community
> hoping that
> somebody with willing to record the audio will join me, and others
> will have some
> feedbacks too. I also hoping, if some of you have done video editing
> before, and
> can adjust the background sound, with voice, and finalise the video
> will step up, and
> help me.
> 
> Otherwise I will reshoot the video next week, and put online as-is. I
> hope it will
> be less blurry (the lcd is broken in my camera, so cant see anything
> while filming;-|)
> 
> What I really like in this video, is how speedy paroli is. There is
> not much waiting, the
> video is realtime, was absolutely no editing in it.
> 
> http://www.vimeo.com/5029019
> 
> Feedbacks?
> 
> Laszlo
> 
> PS: bear in mind, that this is my first video. Dont be too harsh.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From david at tuxbrain.com  Sun Jun  7 00:34:01 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 00:34:01 +0200
Subject: Paroli introduction video
In-Reply-To: <1244325021.14789.1.camel@detructor15-desktop>
References: <c4cd0cc80906060715h70965248r9ae448c78dd54a61@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244325021.14789.1.camel@detructor15-desktop>
Message-ID: <5c6ceea80906061534r1ff0cc2fv3e7c046ff73c7c90@mail.gmail.com>

I love it :), good work!!!

2009/6/6 Steffen Winkler <steffen.linux at gmx.de>:
> Wow, nice video. And sure a lot of work (painting all the papers). Nice
> idea ;)
>
>
> Am Samstag, den 06.06.2009, 16:15 +0200 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS:
>> Dear list,
>>
>> Im toying with the idea, of creating a Paroli introduction video,
>> where I present all the
>> basic phone functionality of paroli. Short of a tutorial, where I can
>> point the newcomers to.
>>
>> I have began to shoot the video, and made about 5 min, where I needed
>> to cut off.
>> The video is not finished, and I will reshoot it, as it is blurry, and
>> shacked the camera a lot.
>>
>> However, I will be not able reshoot it before wednesday or later next week.
>>
>> So Im posting this *work-in-progress* 10% made video to the community
>> hoping that
>> somebody with willing to record the audio will join me, and others
>> will have some
>> feedbacks too. I also hoping, if some of you have done video editing
>> before, and
>> can adjust the background sound, with voice, and finalise the video
>> will step up, and
>> help me.
>>
>> Otherwise I will reshoot the video next week, and put online as-is. I
>> hope it will
>> be less blurry (the lcd is broken in my camera, so cant see anything
>> while filming;-|)
>>
>> What I really like in this video, is how speedy paroli is. There is
>> not much waiting, the
>> video is realtime, was absolutely no editing in it.
>>
>> http://www.vimeo.com/5029019
>>
>> Feedbacks?
>>
>> Laszlo
>>
>> PS: bear in mind, that this is my first video. Dont be too harsh.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>



-- 
David Reyes Samblas Martinez
http://www.tuxbrain.com
Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!


From robin.paulson at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 01:06:07 2009
From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 11:06:07 +1200
Subject: [ALL] Tango GPS tracking sample rate
In-Reply-To: <1244313131613-3036194.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1244313131613-3036194.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <2f3aa2770906061606l54ea52d9wb7005bad27a52d28@mail.gmail.com>

2009/6/7 error <lee at cmccreery.com>:
> I am looking to use the Tango GPS to track a trip. ?When using the tracking
> feature it samples at "position per second" which creates a very large file
> over an 8 hour trip.
>
> Is there a config file that I can change to take a sample maybe every minute
> or 5 minutes?

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GPS#Configuration_for_a_higher_sampling_rate

you should be able to adjust that to your use case.


From swap38 at openmoko-fr.org  Sun Jun  7 01:25:23 2009
From: swap38 at openmoko-fr.org (swap38)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 01:25:23 +0200
Subject: Linux International and Openmoko
In-Reply-To: <1244306551.6311.31.camel@shamet>
References: <1244306551.6311.31.camel@shamet>
Message-ID: <4A2AFAE3.70907@openmoko-fr.org>

Jon 'maddog' Hall a ?crit :
> Hello,
> (...)
> Recently I started another project, not a phone, but otherwise similar
> in its needs to Openmoko.  This other project will have a community, be
> completely "open", and needs an umbrella organization to help with legal
> work, etc.  I intend on forming a sub-group of LI for this project.
>
> I could offer the same to Openmoko, to be a sub-group of LI.
> (...)
>
> Jon "maddog" Hall
>   
Thanks Jon, it's a very fair proposition.
I'm just the little guy who started to speak in french about Openmoko
one year ago [1] (with Bearstech's help), one of these end-users you're
talking about.
But I really want to support the Openmoko initiative because I hardly
believe in open this hardware revolution.

As I told previously [2], I think an open "umbrella" foundation can be a
good option.
Why not Linux International ?
Before legal works, the community needs organization to be as efficient
as possible with its ressources.
(I'm sure there's a lot of people like me who really want to help but
know what should they do first)

Now I hope that key people of the worldwide community will join this
opinion
... and let's go !

[1] http://openmoko-fr.org/blog
[2] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/049170.html

-- 
swap38


From cyberfrag at gmx.net  Sun Jun  7 01:49:46 2009
From: cyberfrag at gmx.net (Andreas "Cyberfrag" Fischer)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 01:49:46 +0200
Subject: Mailing list glitch?
In-Reply-To: <4A295F23.4000600@frombob.to>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>	<4A25AC01.6010102@frombob.to>	<20090603182126.GC4625@almesberger.net>	<20090603191650.GH9823@prithivi.gnumonks.org>
	<4A295F23.4000600@frombob.to>
Message-ID: <4A2B009A.4020302@gmx.net>

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Am 05.06.2009 20:08, Doug Jones schrieb:
> Harald Welte wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 03:21:26PM -0300, Werner Almesberger wrote:
>>> Doug Jones wrote:
>>>> Has this bug been there all along?  Does our community's collective 
>>>> memory have a hole in it?
>>> Seems that it chopped the mail at the line beginning with "From".
>>> Not sure where the rest ended up ...
>> It looks like the mailman/pipermail parser is somewhat broken and considers
>> every line starting with "^From " as the beginning of a new mail
>> (envelope-from).  This is really weird, one would expect this kind of bug in
>> the UUCP days of the early 1990ies but not in 2009.
>>
> 
> This is a test message.
>  >From this point on, will it be truncated in the archive?
> 
> 
> I did a cursory search of the mailman-user archives:
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> but didn't find any reference to this bug.  I suppose we should report 
> it to them.
> 
> Apparently they don't have a bug tracker, just the lists.  I imagine the 
> code doesn't change very often.

Actually this sounds suspiciously like the mbox-Bug - in which case the
bug is in the spec, not the software. Switching to Maildir might help,
if it's possible.

Regards,
Andreas Fischer
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From david at tuxbrain.com  Sun Jun  7 02:06:50 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 02:06:50 +0200
Subject: Linux International and Openmoko
In-Reply-To: <4A2AFAE3.70907@openmoko-fr.org>
References: <1244306551.6311.31.camel@shamet> <4A2AFAE3.70907@openmoko-fr.org>
Message-ID: <5c6ceea80906061706h25a623f5ub99fd83bd8f722fb@mail.gmail.com>

Jon, I like the idea and as swap38, you can count on me as member and
I will do my best as I allways try.

2009/6/7 swap38 <swap38 at openmoko-fr.org>:
> Jon 'maddog' Hall a ?crit :
>> Hello,
>> (...)
>> Recently I started another project, not a phone, but otherwise similar
>> in its needs to Openmoko. ?This other project will have a community, be
>> completely "open", and needs an umbrella organization to help with legal
>> work, etc. ?I intend on forming a sub-group of LI for this project.
>>
>> I could offer the same to Openmoko, to be a sub-group of LI.
>> (...)
>>
>> Jon "maddog" Hall
>>
> Thanks Jon, it's a very fair proposition.
> I'm just the little guy who started to speak in french about Openmoko
> one year ago [1] (with Bearstech's help), one of these end-users you're
> talking about.
> But I really want to support the Openmoko initiative because I hardly
> believe in open this hardware revolution.
>
> As I told previously [2], I think an open "umbrella" foundation can be a
> good option.
> Why not Linux International ?
> Before legal works, the community needs organization to be as efficient
> as possible with its ressources.
> (I'm sure there's a lot of people like me who really want to help but
> know what should they do first)
>
> Now I hope that key people of the worldwide community will join this
> opinion
> ... and let's go !
>
> [1] http://openmoko-fr.org/blog
> [2] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/049170.html
>
> --
> swap38
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



-- 
David Reyes Samblas Martinez
http://www.tuxbrain.com
Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!


From cyberfrag at gmx.net  Sun Jun  7 02:10:47 2009
From: cyberfrag at gmx.net (Andreas "Cyberfrag" Fischer)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 02:10:47 +0200
Subject: Debuzzing
In-Reply-To: <679C6C52-2239-40F2-A756-CE32D77385E5@computer.org>
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Am 30.05.2009 15:17, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller schrieb:
> Am 29.05.2009 um 17:24 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:
> 
>> I should add the status of the Buzz-Rework:
>>
>> * I have received back today all devices that we have received so far
>> until approx. beginning of this week. They will now go to testing and
>> then shipment.
> 
> All units have passed the tests and will be shipped after this (long)  
> weekend.

Any news on the next batch? GDC reportedly has received my FreeRunner
nearly two weeks ago and I haven't heard anything since. I had hoped to
get it back until Monday since I'm out of country the rest of the week
and could use a GPS. ATM it looks like I have to wait a third week,
though...

Regards,
Andreas Fischer

> Nikolaus
> 
> 
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From montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 03:15:51 2009
From: montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com (Steven **)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 20:15:51 -0500
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.22
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On SHR-Testing (from May 2nd image), I get the following error with
this version (after creating all the needed symlinks to get the
launcher to actually start):
launcher: symbol lookup error: launcher: undefined symbol:
elm_scroller_bounce_set

Do I have a different/wrong version of elementary?  Obviously
somethings not quite right since I had to symlink a bunch of libe*
files to include "svn" in their names.

-Steven

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:00 PM, c_c<cchandel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Cameron Frazier wrote:
>>
>>>in c (derived from [1], look at the bottom):
>>>elm_scroller_bounce_set(self.obj, h_bounce, v_bounce)
>>
> ?Thanks. That helped. I needed to update my elementary libs on the laptop
> too. So here's the latest version - without the bouncing - and yes it's a
> lot simpler to use.
>
> http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3034171/launcher_0.22_arm.ipk
> launcher_0.22_arm.ipk
> --
> View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha%29-Release-0.21-tp2969146p3034171.html
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>
>
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From wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca  Sun Jun  7 04:02:20 2009
From: wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca (Warren Baird)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 22:02:20 -0400
Subject: Om2009 testing release 4
In-Reply-To: <c30e08170906061330y5d6d586ar5f3715152e24cc30@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200905211334.48701.nytowl@openmoko.org>
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Hmm.   In this thread:
http://n2.nabble.com/Buzz-fix-difficulty--was-Re%3A-US-Buzz-GPS-Fix--tp2679871p2733711.html
Joerg states that the -a7 version is the only 'real' state file.

I also tried
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.newand
found I got a lot more static that with the -a7 file...

*shrug*

Warren


On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
<seba.dos1 at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 23:31, Warren Baird<wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca>
> wrote:
> > I've had better luck starting with
> > http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state-
> > it's one of several that I've seen identified as 'the one true
> statefile'...
> >
> > If you still get buzz, then try dropping 'control.5' (Mono Playback
> Volume)
> > -  to around 85 or 90.  That might help - although you might find that
> > people have trouble hearing you.
> >
> > I'm currently using the gsmhandset-a7.state unmodified and seem to get ok
> > results.  I've had one report of intermittent buzz during a call, but it
> > wasn't super bad.
> >
> > Warren
>
>
> The only one true statefile (TM) is
> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new
>
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From mikeumo at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 04:38:28 2009
From: mikeumo at gmail.com (Mike)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 21:38:28 -0500
Subject: How to get started with Openmoko phone?
Message-ID: <200906062138.29427.mikeumo@gmail.com>

Hello --

I would like to use a Linux-based open-hardware phone for my phone 
communications. I would like to try Neo Freerunner. How do I do that? Namely:

1) Is there any particular kind of wireless carrier (in US) I need to 
subscribe to? 

2) Do I need to tell the carrier that I shall be using a linux-based phone? 

3) Can I use Nextel or ATT and T-mobile are my only national carrier options?

4) How do I get a SIM card for the phone?

5) Can I text (SMS) -- I intend on using Qtopia at the beginning?

6) Can I sync addresses etc with my desktop?

I have been using Sprint (CDMA) -- so I am quite unfamiliar with the GSM world 
(and a phone that does not come with the service) -- I would appreciate any 
(obvious) tips on how to get from buying the FreeRunner to making and 
receiving calls and text messages.

Thank you for your time --

Mike.


From shanka.mns at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 04:55:50 2009
From: shanka.mns at gmail.com (Shashank Bharadwaj)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 08:25:50 +0530
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <21361d0d0906061955j18ced98ct694be8d0178f01c7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Franky Van
Liedekerke<liedekef at telenet.be> wrote:
> download the script
> http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qtmoko_install.sh , read the
> comments at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after
> having flashed the device and made sure internet works).
> The script has 2 options: "install" or "update". An update will just
> download the tgz file and replace your current qtmoko with it.

I used the "update" option. It worked as expected. After the script
was complete, and a reboot done, i was with the latest version.
Thanks for this release!

I tried qmplayer, it played mp3 songs from my computer using the share
option. But it refused to play an avi file of a music video on the
phone, though it could play it on the computer. How do i debug this
and provide you with more information?

Another new applications i tried was google contacts sync. I was
successfully able to get contacts from my google account. Is there a
way to upload the contacts on the phone back to google-contacts?

I've been trying the new applications out, will report back if any
quires/comments. Keep up the good work!

-- 
Regards
Shashank
As our circle of knowledge expands, so does the circumference of
darkness surrounding it - Albert Einstein


From wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca  Sun Jun  7 05:10:18 2009
From: wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca (Warren Baird)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 23:10:18 -0400
Subject: [SHR] create opkg-packages
In-Reply-To: <200905272110.53783.hersche@puzzle.ch>
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I think the handhelds.org site is terribly out of date.

I think the script Joseph provided is probably fine - but it looks like the
more up-to-date versions can be found at
http://www.handhelds.org/download/packages/ipkg-utils/ - instead of the ftp
link that is mentioned on the handhelds.org site...

Warren


On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Vinzenz Hersche <hersche at puzzle.ch> wrote:

> yes, i belive that this works without great problems.. but my problem is
> another one..
>
> i couldn't open ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/packages/ipkg-utils (tried with
> firefox
> & konqueror), and all instructions said, it must be downloaded there.. i
> also
> couldn't install the files with apt-get install ipkg-utils (on ubuntu) or
> opkg
> install ipkg-utils (on the moko), so i haven't the programm..
>
> the other try was by hand (think, it's just a gzip..), but this also wasn't
> work..
>
> so had someone a idea where the ipkg-util-files are? or is the problem with
> the
> handhelds.org-server just mine?
>
> Am Mittwoch, 27. Mai 2009 18.37:23 schrieb Joseph Reeves:
> > I've not followed these instructions, but they turned up after a quick
> > google:
> >
> > http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=IPKG_Howto
> >
> > ipkg-build is what I use - all works without any drama.
> >
> > Cheers, Joseph
> >
> > 2009/5/27 Vinzenz Hersche <hersche at puzzle.ch>:
> > > hello there,
> > >
> > > i want to create a opkg-package, but i didn't found ipkg-utils on shr,
> > > also not on ubuntu.
> > >
> > > so i tried to create this otherwhise, with the same structure, but if i
> > > look into another opk-package, the files in the tar.gz control are
> > > childfolders of ".", mine isn't ("folder" .  does already exist)
> > >
> > > and if i save the "top-archive" as .deb-file, it seems to work, but if
> i
> > > renamed it to ipk/opk, it doesn't work (with ark). the other packages
> > > does work normal with ark.
> > >
> > > so where i became the ipkg-utils? ftp-server with the files seems also
> to
> > > be down :/
> > >
> > > greets
> > >
> > > ps: just by the way, if someone knows this; is there any library with
> > > e-mail- support for vala? :)
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Openmoko community mailing list
> > > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
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From robin.paulson at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 05:35:50 2009
From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:35:50 +1200
Subject: How to get started with Openmoko phone?
In-Reply-To: <200906062138.29427.mikeumo@gmail.com>
References: <200906062138.29427.mikeumo@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2f3aa2770906062035w7ce78281gad3b70f17f8f7816@mail.gmail.com>

2009/6/7 Mike <mikeumo at gmail.com>:
> I would like to use a Linux-based open-hardware phone for my phone
> communications. I would like to try Neo Freerunner. How do I do that? Namely:
>
> 1) Is there any particular kind of wireless carrier (in US) I need to
> subscribe to?

must be gsm, any will do, i think

> 2) Do I need to tell the carrier that I shall be using a linux-based phone?

no, it follows the gsm standard, which is all they should be concerned
about. all else is irrelevant to them. as far as they're concerned,
it's a phone and you give them money. it wouldn't surprise me though,
if they knew you were using something a bit unusual, that they say
it's 'not supported' or some garbage.

i doubt they'd understand what a linux phone is - their customer
service won't have a clue about this

> 3) Can I use Nextel or ATT and T-mobile are my only national carrier options?

have you looked at the wiki, there's lots of useful info there.
there's probably a list of compatible carriers in your area?

> 4) How do I get a SIM card for the phone?

get a prepay, or sell your soul to the devil, and sign up for a contract

> 5) Can I text (SMS) -- I intend on using Qtopia at the beginning?

yes. of course

> 6) Can I sync addresses etc with my desktop?

possibly. depends on the format they're in on the phone/desktop

> I have been using Sprint (CDMA) -- so I am quite unfamiliar with the GSM world
> (and a phone that does not come with the service) -- I would appreciate any
> (obvious) tips on how to get from buying the FreeRunner to making and
> receiving calls and text messages.

open up the back, put the sim in the slot, put it back together, and boot

seriously, the wiki will answer your general question better and more
quickly than the list will:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page


From damianspriggs at mac.com  Sun Jun  7 05:39:11 2009
From: damianspriggs at mac.com (Damian Spriggs)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:39:11 -0400
Subject: How to get started with Openmoko phone?
In-Reply-To: <200906062138.29427.mikeumo@gmail.com>
References: <200906062138.29427.mikeumo@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63F4EC75-E4C5-4891-99CE-F1DB84A287DE@mac.com>

>
> 1) Is there any particular kind of wireless carrier (in US) I need to
> subscribe to?
Any that use a SIM card. So AT&T or T-Mobile. (I use AT&T just fine)
>
>
> 2) Do I need to tell the carrier that I shall be using a linux-based  
> phone?
Nope. It's a good idea not to tell them. There is nothing that they  
need to do other than give you service.

>
> 3) Can I use Nextel or ATT and T-mobile are my only national carrier  
> options?
Not 100% sure, but I don't think Nextel phones use SIMs. I may be  
wrong though.

>
> 4) How do I get a SIM card for the phone?
When you sign up for service, they will give you one, usually in a  
free phone. All you need to do is pull the SIM out of the phone and  
install it in the Freerunner

>
> 5) Can I text (SMS) -- I intend on using Qtopia at the beginning?
Yep, Texting works on all major distros

>
>
> 6) Can I sync addresses etc with my desktop?
I haven't done it personally, but I've seen maillist threads  
describing the process.

>
>
> I have been using Sprint (CDMA) -- so I am quite unfamiliar with the  
> GSM world
> (and a phone that does not come with the service) -- I would  
> appreciate any
> (obvious) tips on how to get from buying the FreeRunner to making and
> receiving calls and text messages.

Your best bet would be a good, thorough read through of the wiki[1].  
There is a plethora of introductory information. If you still have  
questions, try the friendly maillists or IRC channels.

Hope this helps.


[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org
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From cchandel at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  7 06:40:06 2009
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 21:40:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.22
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Hi,

Steven ** wrote:
> 
>>On SHR-Testing (from May 2nd image), I get the following error
> 
>>launcher: symbol lookup error: launcher: undefined symbol:
>>elm_scroller_bounce_set
> 
  Well, i've compiled this against SHR-Unstable. Hence the error and the
effort required to link to e libraries.
  You'll need to upgrade to unstable - which BTW is not unstable for me - 
and I'm using the FR as my primary phone.
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From jeremy.mcnaughton at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 07:29:03 2009
From: jeremy.mcnaughton at gmail.com (Jeremy McNaughton)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 01:29:03 -0400
Subject: Linux International and Openmoko
In-Reply-To: <1244306551.6311.31.camel@shamet>
References: <1244306551.6311.31.camel@shamet>
Message-ID: <7e03858b0906062229me7288d9lcebab22f9a656205@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall<maddog at li.org> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I understand that there has been a discussion on this list about having
> a foundation that would represent the community of Openmoko.
>
> Fifteen years ago Linux International was created to provide services
> for the Linux community. ?It was started as a vendor organization, at a
> time when there were not many vendors interested in Linux. ?We handled a
> lot of legal and business issues for Linux:
>
> o Protected the Linux Trademark from people that would "kidnap" it for
> various reasons
> o Helped to start two certification organizations (we funded some of the
> original testing work for LPI certification)
> o Helped to start the Linux Standard Base project, which became the Free
> Standards Group
> o Helped to form what became Linuxworld
> o Helped many local user groups start local events, most notably the
> Atlanta LinuxFest and the Ohio LinuxFest
>
> We tended to split off the groups we formed, afraid that one vendor
> organization would provide too much power in a centralized organization.
>
> For various reasons as larger companies started to show interest in
> Linux, our membership went to form OSDL, which now is the Linux
> Foundation. ?Linux International as an organization has been dormant for
> about five years. ?I have still been spreading the word about Free
> Software at conferences, through magazine articles and media interviews.
>
> Recently I came up with the idea of reforming Linux International into
> an "end user" organization, with the concept that no company could join
> as a member, nor sit on the board of directors as a member. ?Only
> individual end users could hold membership, vote, etc. ?Of course almost
> everybody is an end user of some type of software, so the membership
> would be quite "open". ?I have been working to change the charter of LI
> to reflect this.
>
> Recently I started another project, not a phone, but otherwise similar
> in its needs to Openmoko. ?This other project will have a community, be
> completely "open", and needs an umbrella organization to help with legal
> work, etc. ?I intend on forming a sub-group of LI for this project.
>
> I could offer the same to Openmoko, to be a sub-group of LI.
>
> Linux International is already a legal entity. ?We are a
> "not-for-profit" in the state of New Hampshire, U.S.A. ?There are
> reasons why LI is a "not-for-profit" instead of a non-profit (501c3 or
> 501c6) which have to do with ease of applying revenues, etc. ?Nothing
> stops LI from becoming a 501c6 (501c3 is very restrictive), and nothing
> would stop the sub-group of Openmoko from becoming a non-profit, if that
> is desired.
>
> Likewise the plans for LI are to have country chapters, with separate
> boards for each country chapter. ?This was planned way before the
> current issue with Openmoko, but you could take advantage of the planned
> structure if you wish.
>
> LI would solicit sponsorships to help fund its work which could come
> from companies, but again the voting membership would be from
> individuals only. ?The things that LI does would be "Open" to all. ?We
> do plan on having some things we charge for, to cover costs.
>
> If the Openmoko community is interested in pursuing this, I would be
> happy to discuss LI's plans further with you, and how Openmoko could fit
> into this.
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> Jon "maddog" Hall
> --
> Jon "maddog" Hall
> Executive Director ? ? ? ? ? Linux International(R)
> email: maddog at li.org ? ? ? ? 80 Amherst St.
> Voice: +1.603.672.4557 ? ? ? Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A.
> Cell: ?+1.603.943.6666 ? ? ? WWW: http://www.li.org
>
> Board Member: Uniforum Association
> Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006)
>
> (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several
> countries.
> (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used
> pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of
> Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis
> (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other
> countries.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>

Thank you Jon for this wonderful offer.  As a semi-regular user of the
Freerunner and up till now mostly a lurker in the community, I'm
interested in knowing more about what you have in mind.

I've been involved with a few grassroots (unincorporated)
organizations and having an incorporated group for incubation can work
really well.  Eventually the community will probably need its own
separate incorporated body, but having an incubator lets us take our
time to get things right.

Even if the community decides not to accept your offer, I'd be
interested in hearing more about your plans for Linux International as
an end-user organization.  I checked out the website but it looks like
you're still putting things together.


From jeremy.mcnaughton at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 08:29:31 2009
From: jeremy.mcnaughton at gmail.com (Jeremy McNaughton)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 02:29:31 -0400
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <20090606102319.GJ4625@almesberger.net>
References: <B2JmzhoVfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <4A296E13.3000601@openmoko>
	<4A29CDBB.30509@bshed.com>
	<7780e76c0906052001t3c433134l96315e4fe5c623f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090606102319.GJ4625@almesberger.net>
Message-ID: <7e03858b0906062329i7182cc8wa5bfabbc952b541d@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Werner Almesberger<werner at openmoko.org> wrote:
> You can view the situation also as an opportunity to change some
> of the structure of the project. Openmoko Inc. had certain
> constraints due to the way it was conceived. Some of them looked
> good at the beginning but later caused problems - yet were too
> difficult to change.
>
> The good thing about a new start is that you can stop fighting the
> mistakes of the past and turn your full attention towards making
> new ones ;-)
>
> - Werner

+1 for Werner's way of looking at things.

Considering that Openmoko started as a project inside a major
electronics manufacturer, it's not surprising that once it was spun
off it kept a lot of "organizational legacy" from its corporate roots.
 While the old structure worked well enough to get us to this point,
I'm pretty excited about getting the development even more out in the
open.

Jon 'maddog' Hall's offer to incubate the community under Linux
International is also pretty exciting.  Eventually I'd like to see an
independent foundation that acts as hub and legal representative of
the community.

Organizing an Openmoko Foundation is something I'd really like to help
with.   Up till now I've not really had the skills to contribute any
sort of code.  The other activities open to me thus far (like bug
testing and documentation), well unfortunately haven't gotten me
involved in anything more than a casual basis (though I have learned
tonnes from my months of lurking).

But organizing is what I love doing.  Like I said above my organizing
experience isn't with free software but with local activist groups and
social services:
- co-founder of a homeless shelter
- sat on committee to rewrite all bylaws, policies and procedures for
the shelter after it had been incorporated as a nonprofit (I'm not a
lawyer, but I've been exposed to lots of policy)
- sat on the board of a coalition/network of social service agencies.
the coalition was unincorporated and hosted by an incubator
organization
- i've done trainings for groups on consensus decision making and
conflict resolution

Even though I'm from a different field, I think enough of my
background should cross over that I can be of some help.  I've also
used GNU/Linux on the desktop and server since Slackware 3.2 and have
been a lurker/occasional participant on many Free software projects in
that time.  So I'm pretty familiar with open source politics too.  I
just usually get active in more local oriented projects.

I don't want any sort of official position... give that to someone who
has already demonstrated a long term commitment to the community.  But
I would like to be kept in the loop.. if there's a mailing list
created I'll join it and be a part of the discussion as much as I can.

Depending on how things go, maybe I can handle some of the
organizational tasks that would previously have been done by Openmoko
Inc. and free up developers to do their thing.


From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Sun Jun  7 08:56:52 2009
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 08:56:52 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <21361d0d0906061955j18ced98ct694be8d0178f01c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<21361d0d0906061955j18ced98ct694be8d0178f01c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2B64B4.3060109@seznam.cz>

Shashank Bharadwaj wrote:

> I tried qmplayer, it played mp3 songs from my computer using the share
> option. But it refused to play an avi file of a music video on the
> phone, though it could play it on the computer. How do i debug this
> and provide you with more information?

If you download avi from PC via the sharing option, then PC must have
installed mencoder. The first attempt to download avi starts mencoder
and next attempt after encoding is done downloads the avi.

On phone you need glamo version of mplayer - this should be handled
by installation scripts. If not then just delete /usr/bin/mplayer and
qmplayer will download and install correct mplayer from my homepage
when you attempt to play something.

So debug output can be seen when qmplayer is started from console.

Hope it helps :)

Radek


From steve at openmoko.com  Sun Jun  7 10:09:56 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 01:09:56 -0700
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <7e03858b0906062329i7182cc8wa5bfabbc952b541d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B2JmzhoVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>
	<4A296E13.3000601@openmoko>	<4A29CDBB.30509@bshed.com>	<7780e76c0906052001t3c433134l96315e4fe5c623f4@mail.gmail.com>	<20090606102319.GJ4625@almesberger.net>
	<7e03858b0906062329i7182cc8wa5bfabbc952b541d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2B75D4.1030706@openmoko.com>

see inlined.

Jeremy McNaughton wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Werner Almesberger<werner at openmoko.org> wrote:
>> You can view the situation also as an opportunity to change some
>> of the structure of the project. Openmoko Inc. had certain
>> constraints due to the way it was conceived. Some of them looked
>> good at the beginning but later caused problems - yet were too
>> difficult to change.
>>
>> The good thing about a new start is that you can stop fighting the
>> mistakes of the past and turn your full attention towards making
>> new ones ;-)
>>
>> - Werner
> 
> +1 for Werner's way of looking at things.

   For those of you who havent had the pleasure of meeting werner
   or working with him, I'll just add this personal note. He has
   one of the most cheerful dispositions I have ever encountered.
> 
> Considering that Openmoko started as a project inside a major
> electronics manufacturer, it's not surprising that once it was spun
> off it kept a lot of "organizational legacy" from its corporate roots.
>  While the old structure worked well enough to get us to this point,
> I'm pretty excited about getting the development even more out in the
> open.
> 
> Jon 'maddog' Hall's offer to incubate the community under Linux
> International is also pretty exciting.  Eventually I'd like to see an
> independent foundation that acts as hub and legal representative of
> the community.
> 
> Organizing an Openmoko Foundation is something I'd really like to help
> with.   Up till now I've not really had the skills to contribute any
> sort of code.  The other activities open to me thus far (like bug
> testing and documentation), well unfortunately haven't gotten me
> involved in anything more than a casual basis (though I have learned
> tonnes from my months of lurking).
  I'll let Sean know personally. We've discussed it. Haralde also has
  high regard for the idea.
> 
> But organizing is what I love doing.  Like I said above my organizing
> experience isn't with free software but with local activist groups and
> social services:
> - co-founder of a homeless shelter
> - sat on committee to rewrite all bylaws, policies and procedures for
> the shelter after it had been incorporated as a nonprofit (I'm not a
> lawyer, but I've been exposed to lots of policy)
> - sat on the board of a coalition/network of social service agencies.
> the coalition was unincorporated and hosted by an incubator
> organization
> - i've done trainings for groups on consensus decision making and
> conflict resolution

   Sounds perfect to me.
> 
> Even though I'm from a different field, I think enough of my
> background should cross over that I can be of some help.  I've also
> used GNU/Linux on the desktop and server since Slackware 3.2 and have
> been a lurker/occasional participant on many Free software projects in
> that time.  So I'm pretty familiar with open source politics too.  I
> just usually get active in more local oriented projects.
> 
> I don't want any sort of official position... give that to someone who
> has already demonstrated a long term commitment to the community.  But
> I would like to be kept in the loop.. if there's a mailing list
> created I'll join it and be a part of the discussion as much as I can.

   Perhaps we should make a wider shout out to the rest of the community?
   We really do need somebody to keep the momentum going. Those inside OM
   are now deeply focused on the business and those who have left are
   equally occupied, some like werner with volunteer projects and others
   with finding a next paycheck.

> 
> Depending on how things go, maybe I can handle some of the
> organizational tasks that would previously have been done by Openmoko
> Inc. and free up developers to do their thing.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 


From www.rzr.online.fr at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 11:34:39 2009
From: www.rzr.online.fr at gmail.com (RzR www.rzr.online.fr)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 11:34:39 +0200
Subject: [SHR] create opkg-packages
In-Reply-To: <b66a83e00906062010g95176a0s5220b3199251f54b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200905271831.31354.hersche@puzzle.ch>
	<958244340905270937hec5ab45veb6b810450e0edfa@mail.gmail.com>
	<200905272110.53783.hersche@puzzle.ch>
	<b66a83e00906062010g95176a0s5220b3199251f54b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78a9ab5d0906070234i102a9fb4nd30feece1ba58926@mail.gmail.com>

Hi
I created a deb package of opkg and ipkg-utils , feel free to install them :

check http://rzr.online.fr/q/apt

then

sudo aptitude install rzr opkg ipkg-utils qemu-neo1973 boxar

Regards

-- 
Related Obsession : http://rzr.online.fr/q/esd


From openmoko at coralbark.net  Sun Jun  7 11:38:41 2009
From: openmoko at coralbark.net (Jon Levell)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 10:38:41 +0100
Subject: Help requested: SHR Screenshots
Message-ID: <4A2B8AA1.7040907@coralbark.net>

Hi,

I'm writing an article for LWN (http://www.lwn.net) saying
that I think SHR is now suitable for your typical LWN.net
reader). LWN would like some screenshots of a recent SHR
(testing or unstable) that they could publish with the
article.

Unfortunately my FR is still in transit (buzz fixed
by Dr. N et al) so could someone send some recent
screenshots to:
openmoko at coralbark.net

I'd especially like the dialler and the main illume
launcher screen but I'd appreciate any that you
thought were interesting and suitable for publication.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Jon.


From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 11:39:49 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 11:39:49 +0200
Subject: Community-driven redesign / new theme for Paroli
In-Reply-To: <4A2ACCEA.7060104@kw.nl>
References: <4A0E5F8B.1050908@openmoko.org> <4A0E795A.5050203@kw.nl> 
	<4A140320.1030201@kw.nl> <4A2ACCEA.7060104@kw.nl>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc80906070239w6d5abb6bh5df7c148831d05f1@mail.gmail.com>

> I haven't really done that; but
> instead, I've been translating my 'few
> optimisations' into a 'few mockups' and added
> them here
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli-themes

Thanks for thinking and investigating time about paroli look!

I have read your proposal, however I dont really get
the "sizzle" part (maybe because of my weak english skills).

If this sizzle thing would mean, that the actual selected
element should be highlighted (green). That I think it is
not really doable because of the hardware.

This touchscreen is "point and click". So there is nothing
like "hovering an element" what is common on a
desktop with a mouse.

If the proposal is the selected (clicked) item should be
green instead of white? That is a fair point. And I
think it should be a good first step to a more eyecandy
paroli theme. (we could create some themes, where
we only changes some basic colors, like: greenish, bluish,
pinkish themes).

And it is really easy to do this, as there is
only some color value editing is needed. Mostly like this:
color: 0 0 0 255 // red green blue alpha
to:
color: 100 123 0 200 //red green blue alpha

So creating some basic different color styles is really easy,
and the programming skills required is nearly nonexistent.

>
> .. but it was a bit confusing to do that. I assume
> someone (Mirko?) is still leading on development
> of paroli.

That is true, Mirko is still around, and leading paroli
development.

>  And I assume something like this - simply
> optimizing the default ui - has been in someones
> agenda already.

Im messing with the gui here and there.

> Ofcourse, I could just start making my own edje
> files. But if another, also improved, paroli
> is coming along, why would I. And I don't like
> edje very much from the looks of it.

Yeah, Im almost done, with the most basic and urgent
improvements (back button everywhere).

Install the newest om2009 unstable, or see the
"introduction video to Paroli" what I posted in an other
thread for the current status.

>
> Unless, ofcourse, someone finds this very
> interesting. In which case I might have a
> few spare evenings to do some more.

Every contribution is interesting. Even
if I see your them not pleasent, its worth
the effort to create it anyway. Because
somebody likes it more then me.

I see it this way:
Im improving the default theme here and
there, I fix mostly usability adjust some font
size and placing. But nothing really radical.
Mirko does the same.

If somebody creates an alternate theme
(and even he only changes some of the colors),
we will it incorporate into paroli and make
it selectable (through settings for example).

Whether the new theme should be default or
not, can be a good candidate of community
voting.

This is only my view of things. But I have seen
Mirko is very open in every UI ideas.

He already implemented slidings on the gui,
easy scrolling, so pretty much everything is
possible.

> Otherwise, I might still make a text
> version of the 'few optimisations' I
> could think of, anyway.

I would really like to see you creating a theme
where you only change some colors, and such.
It is relatively easy and its only one file/application
needs to be overwritten.

If the theme is done, Im sure we can incorporate
as a selectable theme into paroli. (no more overwrite required).

When the basic infrastructure is figured out, you
can continue of the theme development. Placing
images here and there, make some item transparent,
animations, etc.

There is already a guy (Victor) who created some alternate
icons. There is you who have some improvements idea
and made some mockups.

Keep you guys coming these nice things!

Laszlo


From vanous at penguin.cz  Sun Jun  7 12:00:44 2009
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 12:00:44 +0200
Subject: Help requested: SHR Screenshots
References: <4A2B8AA1.7040907@coralbark.net>
Message-ID: <20090607120044.40be7c73@laptop-vanek>

On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 10:38:41 +0100
Jon Levell <openmoko at coralbark.net> (JL) wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I'm writing an article for LWN (http://www.lwn.net) saying
>that I think SHR is now suitable for your typical LWN.net
>reader). LWN would like some screenshots of a recent SHR
>(testing or unstable) that they could publish with the
>article.
>
>Unfortunately my FR is still in transit (buzz fixed
>by Dr. N et al) so could someone send some recent
>screenshots to:
>openmoko at coralbark.net
>
>I'd especially like the dialler and the main illume
>launcher screen but I'd appreciate any that you
>thought were interesting and suitable for publication.
>
>Thanks in advance for any help.
>
>Jon.


Hi,

i am uploading it on http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ as we speak, please
select what you like :)

Cheers
--
Petr Van?k




From fabiolocati at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 12:29:02 2009
From: fabiolocati at gmail.com (Fabio Locati)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 12:29:02 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <21361d0d0906061955j18ced98ct694be8d0178f01c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<21361d0d0906061955j18ced98ct694be8d0178f01c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3d9482340906070329u25719ed9w3bb7e4789e4030a1@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Shashank Bharadwaj<shanka.mns at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Franky Van
> Liedekerke<liedekef at telenet.be> wrote:
>> download the script
>> http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qtmoko_install.sh , read the
>> comments at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after
>> having flashed the device and made sure internet works).
>> The script has 2 options: "install" or "update". An update will just
>> download the tgz file and replace your current qtmoko with it.
>
> I used the "update" option. It worked as expected. After the script
> was complete, and a reboot done, i was with the latest version.
> Thanks for this release!
>
> I tried qmplayer, it played mp3 songs from my computer using the share
> option. But it refused to play an avi file of a music video on the
> phone, though it could play it on the computer. How do i debug this
> and provide you with more information?
>
> Another new applications i tried was google contacts sync. I was
> successfully able to get contacts from my google account. Is there a
> way to upload the contacts on the phone back to google-contacts?

Not yet. I hope to be able to develop something like it as soon as
I'll pass my exam :).

> I've been trying the new applications out, will report back if any
> quires/comments. Keep up the good work!
>
> --
> Regards
> Shashank
> As our circle of knowledge expands, so does the circumference of
> darkness surrounding it - Albert Einstein
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



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From liedekef at telenet.be  Sun Jun  7 12:30:18 2009
From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 12:30:18 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <21361d0d0906061955j18ced98ct694be8d0178f01c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<21361d0d0906061955j18ced98ct694be8d0178f01c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090607123018.134a66ce@telenet.be>

On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 08:25:50 +0530
Shashank Bharadwaj <shanka.mns at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Franky Van
> Liedekerke<liedekef at telenet.be> wrote:
> > download the script
> > http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qtmoko_install.sh , read the
> > comments at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko
> > (after having flashed the device and made sure internet works).
> > The script has 2 options: "install" or "update". An update will just
> > download the tgz file and replace your current qtmoko with it.
> 
> I used the "update" option. It worked as expected. After the script
> was complete, and a reboot done, i was with the latest version.
> Thanks for this release!

you're welcome

> I tried qmplayer, it played mp3 songs from my computer using the share
> option. But it refused to play an avi file of a music video on the
> phone, though it could play it on the computer. How do i debug this
> and provide you with more information?
> 
> Another new applications i tried was google contacts sync. I was
> successfully able to get contacts from my google account. Is there a
> way to upload the contacts on the phone back to google-contacts?

well, I didn't develop the app, just made it work :-)
For now it seems the app is only one-way.
I'm hoping to be able to try out a new app that uses syncml, that would
make it easier to sync with other apps as well (and 2-way).

> I've been trying the new applications out, will report back if any
> quires/comments. Keep up the good work!

Let us know the results,

Franky


From pammoko at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 13:11:36 2009
From: pammoko at gmail.com (tammaro "pamdirac" palombo)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 13:11:36 +0200
Subject: Paroli introduction video
In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80906061534r1ff0cc2fv3e7c046ff73c7c90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c4cd0cc80906060715h70965248r9ae448c78dd54a61@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244325021.14789.1.camel@detructor15-desktop>
	<5c6ceea80906061534r1ff0cc2fv3e7c046ff73c7c90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ae168930906070411h36b82246s8277f255badfac03@mail.gmail.com>

It's a truly original introduction :)

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 12:34 AM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez <
david at tuxbrain.com> wrote:

> I love it :), good work!!!
>
> 2009/6/6 Steffen Winkler <steffen.linux at gmx.de>:
> > Wow, nice video. And sure a lot of work (painting all the papers). Nice
> > idea ;)
> >
> >
> > Am Samstag, den 06.06.2009, 16:15 +0200 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS:
> >> Dear list,
> >>
> >> Im toying with the idea, of creating a Paroli introduction video,
> >> where I present all the
> >> basic phone functionality of paroli. Short of a tutorial, where I can
> >> point the newcomers to.
> >>
> >> I have began to shoot the video, and made about 5 min, where I needed
> >> to cut off.
> >> The video is not finished, and I will reshoot it, as it is blurry, and
> >> shacked the camera a lot.
> >>
> >> However, I will be not able reshoot it before wednesday or later next
> week.
> >>
> >> So Im posting this *work-in-progress* 10% made video to the community
> >> hoping that
> >> somebody with willing to record the audio will join me, and others
> >> will have some
> >> feedbacks too. I also hoping, if some of you have done video editing
> >> before, and
> >> can adjust the background sound, with voice, and finalise the video
> >> will step up, and
> >> help me.
> >>
> >> Otherwise I will reshoot the video next week, and put online as-is. I
> >> hope it will
> >> be less blurry (the lcd is broken in my camera, so cant see anything
> >> while filming;-|)
> >>
> >> What I really like in this video, is how speedy paroli is. There is
> >> not much waiting, the
> >> video is realtime, was absolutely no editing in it.
> >>
> >> http://www.vimeo.com/5029019
> >>
> >> Feedbacks?
> >>
> >> Laszlo
> >>
> >> PS: bear in mind, that this is my first video. Dont be too harsh.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Openmoko community mailing list
> >> community at lists.openmoko.org
> >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> David Reyes Samblas Martinez
> http://www.tuxbrain.com
> Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
> Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
> Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!
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From mertensb.mazda at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 14:32:05 2009
From: mertensb.mazda at gmail.com (Bram Mertens)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 14:32:05 +0200
Subject: Help requested: SHR Screenshots
In-Reply-To: <20090607120044.40be7c73@laptop-vanek>
References: <4A2B8AA1.7040907@coralbark.net>
	<20090607120044.40be7c73@laptop-vanek>
Message-ID: <4A2BB345.4000401@gmail.com>

Petr Vanek wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 10:38:41 +0100
> Jon Levell <openmoko at coralbark.net> (JL) wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm writing an article for LWN (http://www.lwn.net) saying
>> that I think SHR is now suitable for your typical LWN.net
>> reader). LWN would like some screenshots of a recent SHR
>> (testing or unstable) that they could publish with the
>> article.
>>
>> Unfortunately my FR is still in transit (buzz fixed
>> by Dr. N et al) so could someone send some recent
>> screenshots to:
>> openmoko at coralbark.net
>>
>> I'd especially like the dialler and the main illume
>> launcher screen but I'd appreciate any that you
>> thought were interesting and suitable for publication.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help.
>>
>> Jon.
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> i am uploading it on http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ as we speak, please
> select what you like :)


Nice selection, would it be possible to include a short description of 
what's visible in the images?

Like: distro X, showing app Y and Z.

TIA

Bram


From michael_zanetti at gmx.net  Sun Jun  7 15:14:02 2009
From: michael_zanetti at gmx.net (Michael Zanetti)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:14:02 +0200
Subject: Help requested: SHR Screenshots
In-Reply-To: <20090607120044.40be7c73@laptop-vanek>
References: <4A2B8AA1.7040907@coralbark.net>
	<20090607120044.40be7c73@laptop-vanek>
Message-ID: <200906071514.02690.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>

On Sunday 07 June 2009 12:00:44 Petr Vanek wrote:
>
> i am uploading it on http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ as we speak, please
> select what you like :)
>

Very nice screenshots!

How did you get the category bar on the bottom for example on screenshot 
#2753?

Thanks,
Michael


From vanous at penguin.cz  Sun Jun  7 15:31:38 2009
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:31:38 +0200
Subject: Help requested: SHR Screenshots
References: <4A2B8AA1.7040907@coralbark.net>
	<20090607120044.40be7c73@laptop-vanek>
Message-ID: <20090607153138.2761d8ec@laptop-vanek>

>>I'd especially like the dialler and the main illume
>>launcher screen but I'd appreciate any that you
>>thought were interesting and suitable for publication.
>i am uploading it on http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ as we speak, please

ok,

all was shot on latest SHR unstable,

home screen provided by Launcher:

http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/6c99064da4a4022875ea98f0bcfae6fc.png

Settings menu integrated into illume:

http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/6e19e463a16b0549125ef8c4da297022.png

Contact screen:

http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/1d6d11aa4e94c67b91b85588dbce2dca.png

Messages screen:

http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/7b3f595e90015d57e72340f336b1f4fd.png

P.



From openmoko at coralbark.net  Sun Jun  7 15:33:04 2009
From: openmoko at coralbark.net (Jon Levell)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 14:33:04 +0100
Subject: Help requested: SHR Screenshots
In-Reply-To: <20090607120044.40be7c73@laptop-vanek>
References: <4A2B8AA1.7040907@coralbark.net>
	<20090607120044.40be7c73@laptop-vanek>
Message-ID: <4A2BC190.4090508@coralbark.net>

Hi,

Petr Vanek wrote:
> Jon Levell <openmoko at coralbark.net> (JL) wrote:
[..]
>> LWN would like some screenshots of a recent SHR
>> (testing or unstable) that they could publish with the
>> article.

> i am uploading it on http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ as we speak, please
> select what you like :)

Thank you very much for the fast response Petr.

Jon.


From vanous at penguin.cz  Sun Jun  7 15:33:49 2009
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:33:49 +0200
Subject: Help requested: SHR Screenshots
References: <4A2B8AA1.7040907@coralbark.net>
	<20090607120044.40be7c73@laptop-vanek>
	<200906071514.02690.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20090607153349.6ad5d5fd@laptop-vanek>

On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:14:02 +0200
Michael Zanetti <michael_zanetti at gmx.net> (MZ) wrote:

>On Sunday 07 June 2009 12:00:44 Petr Vanek wrote:
>>
>> i am uploading it on http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ as we speak, please
>> select what you like :)
>>
>
>Very nice screenshots!
>
>How did you get the category bar on the bottom for example on
>screenshot #2753?
>
>Thanks,
>Michael


this is not my shot, but could this be Sort desk?


Petr



From philippelhardy at chez.com  Sun Jun  7 15:42:07 2009
From: philippelhardy at chez.com (Philippe Lhardy)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:42:07 +0200
Subject: How to fix a broken AUX button ?
In-Reply-To: <958244340905251519r247fe22bt80acc74fed12272f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7d727f8a0905250943t6e87f49br6197d56129d96f94@mail.gmail.com>
	<958244340905251519r247fe22bt80acc74fed12272f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7d727f8a0906070642ice8ce5au12367ab002e1f18a@mail.gmail.com>

2009/5/26 Joseph Reeves <iknowjoseph at gmail.com>:
> Hi Philippe,
>
> Sorry I can't help you with your problem, but I was just replying to
> say that I dropped mine the other day and the AUX button stopped
> working... Keep us informed of any developments with yours.
>

I had a proposition from Daniel Willman who propose to fix it but i
can't get in touch with him, and his website login get in loop hence
i can't either look at the ticket i openned for this purpose.
I hope he will catch this mail and contact me.

I have a spare broken nintendo ds i was wondering if i could a contactor
from it to replace the button, but in any case i have not skills to solder
them.

> Cheers, Joseph

Regards,
Philippe


From michael_zanetti at gmx.net  Sun Jun  7 15:48:31 2009
From: michael_zanetti at gmx.net (Michael Zanetti)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:48:31 +0200
Subject: Help requested: SHR Screenshots
In-Reply-To: <20090607153349.6ad5d5fd@laptop-vanek>
References: <4A2B8AA1.7040907@coralbark.net>
	<200906071514.02690.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<20090607153349.6ad5d5fd@laptop-vanek>
Message-ID: <200906071548.32058.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>

On Sunday 07 June 2009 15:33:49 Petr Vanek wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:14:02 +0200
>
> Michael Zanetti <michael_zanetti at gmx.net> (MZ) wrote:
> >On Sunday 07 June 2009 12:00:44 Petr Vanek wrote:
> >> i am uploading it on http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ as we speak, please
> >> select what you like :)
> >
> >Very nice screenshots!
> >
> >How did you get the category bar on the bottom for example on
> >screenshot #2753?
> >
>
> this is not my shot, but could this be Sort desk?
>

No... it isn't... Sortdesk's categories are represented as normal icons on the 
desktop.


From sven at klomp.de  Sun Jun  7 15:55:37 2009
From: sven at klomp.de (Sven Klomp)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:55:37 +0800
Subject: Stress test of my Freerunner
Message-ID: <200906071555.38024.sven@klomp.de>

As you already noticed from my last mail (Visit at Openmoko), I was traveling through Taiwan. I didn't want to blame anyone, but share my feelings with people that are also thrilled by this project. Nevertheless as several people already mentioned, we have an open phone! and there is a future!

I use my Freerunner for several weeks as my daily phone now (started after the buzz was fixed by Daniel, thanks). However, the last two weeks I stretched my FR to the limit and it did it well:
Few days before I started traveling Taiwan, I decided to make some GPS based diary for my friends at home. Thanks to the very easy API of FSO, I was able to write a basic application in Python within three evenings. The applications sends the current coordinates and some text to my server, where a KML file is created which can be downloaded by my friends. At the airport, I bought a cheap Taiwan SIM card and I started to transmit my position via GPRS (which also worked out-of-the-box). Furthermore, the timezone changed automagically based on GSM (my old Sony Ericsson wasn't able to do so).

I had a lot of fun during the last weeks tracking my travel. Of course, I had some problems but I could solve all of them more or less. E.g. the SHR alarm application doesn't worked. So I did the alarm the bash way: sleep 28800 && aplay alarm.wav :-) With this solution, the phone couldn't suspend. Luckily, the wall charger has Taiwan connections below the European adaptor :-)
Furthermore, I was that adventurous to make an opkg upgrade during the travel :-) Thereafter, I couldn't suspend after I started GPRS. Annoying, but not a serious problem.

I love my FR
Sven

P.S.: Now I start to fill some bug reports :-)


From yogizz at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 16:18:48 2009
From: yogizz at gmail.com (Yogiz)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 17:18:48 +0300
Subject: Stress test of my Freerunner
In-Reply-To: <200906071555.38024.sven@klomp.de>
References: <200906071555.38024.sven@klomp.de>
Message-ID: <20090607171848.234dfd01@blunt.home>

Thanks for the impressions. I really like the GPS diary idea. Perhaps
you should release it to the public? As to alarms, try ffalarms (opkg
install ffalarms).

Yogiz

On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:55:37 +0800
Sven Klomp <sven at klomp.de> wrote:

> As you already noticed from my last mail (Visit at Openmoko), I was
> traveling through Taiwan. I didn't want to blame anyone, but share my
> feelings with people that are also thrilled by this project.
> Nevertheless as several people already mentioned, we have an open
> phone! and there is a future!
> 
> I use my Freerunner for several weeks as my daily phone now (started
> after the buzz was fixed by Daniel, thanks). However, the last two
> weeks I stretched my FR to the limit and it did it well: Few days
> before I started traveling Taiwan, I decided to make some GPS based
> diary for my friends at home. Thanks to the very easy API of FSO, I
> was able to write a basic application in Python within three
> evenings. The applications sends the current coordinates and some
> text to my server, where a KML file is created which can be
> downloaded by my friends. At the airport, I bought a cheap Taiwan SIM
> card and I started to transmit my position via GPRS (which also
> worked out-of-the-box). Furthermore, the timezone changed
> automagically based on GSM (my old Sony Ericsson wasn't able to do
> so).
> 
> I had a lot of fun during the last weeks tracking my travel. Of
> course, I had some problems but I could solve all of them more or
> less. E.g. the SHR alarm application doesn't worked. So I did the
> alarm the bash way: sleep 28800 && aplay alarm.wav :-) With this
> solution, the phone couldn't suspend. Luckily, the wall charger has
> Taiwan connections below the European adaptor :-) Furthermore, I was
> that adventurous to make an opkg upgrade during the travel :-)
> Thereafter, I couldn't suspend after I started GPRS. Annoying, but
> not a serious problem.
> 
> I love my FR
> Sven
> 
> P.S.: Now I start to fill some bug reports :-)
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


From dehqan65 at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 16:28:26 2009
From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (a dehqan)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 18:58:26 +0430
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In-Reply-To: <267bb6670906061322i557e89ds325a75c8e60f321e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0906051519350.30176@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu>
	<267bb6670906052328p65deaab7mafa01c811421e21d@mail.gmail.com>
	<47e8c68d0906060129t2178edbfk379f0f3225b73891@mail.gmail.com>
	<267bb6670906061322i557e89ds325a75c8e60f321e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <267bb6670906070728n5e7344ecj69cf3e42798b7cbb@mail.gmail.com>

In The Name Of God

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 12:52 AM, a dehqan<dehqan65 at gmail.com> wrote:
> In The Name Of God
>
> Thanks alot for your attentions ;
>
>> "Input method" just means a way of typing characters that are not on
>> your keyboard. ?For example, in Debian GNU/Linux, one can run this
>> command to use a standard US keyboard to type Persian[1] using the
>> Iranian standard for keyboards[2]:
>>
>> ?setxkbmap -v -rules xfree86 -model pc104 -layout "us,ir" -option
>> "grp:alt_shift_toggle" -option "grp_led:caps"
>>
>> When I run that on my desktop computer, I am then able to hit
>> ALT+SHIFT to toggle between Farsi and English input. ?Now when I type
>> ABCabc123 on my keyboard I get ?????????. ?Of course, that doesn't
>> help you on the Freerunner, which doesn't have a physical keyboard.
>> Someone (perhaps you?) needs to design a Farsi onscreen keyboard.
>> Another person on this thread said that it was relatively easy, but I
>> don't know having never done it.
>
> So there is a persian layer yes ?so is not possible to change layer in
> another way except input methode suchlike a command or a script ?
I'll be thankfull if anyone answer the above question ?
and 2- Is arabic ready and complete ?

Regards dehqan


From esra at kummer.to  Sun Jun  7 16:41:32 2009
From: esra at kummer.to (Esra Kummer)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 16:41:32 +0200
Subject: How to fix a broken AUX button ?
In-Reply-To: <7d727f8a0906070642ice8ce5au12367ab002e1f18a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7d727f8a0905250943t6e87f49br6197d56129d96f94@mail.gmail.com>	<958244340905251519r247fe22bt80acc74fed12272f@mail.gmail.com>
	<7d727f8a0906070642ice8ce5au12367ab002e1f18a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2BD19C.8090600@kummer.to>

Philippe Lhardy wrote:
> I had a proposition from Daniel Willman who propose to fix it but i
> can't get in touch with him, and his website login get in loop hence
> i can't either look at the ticket i openned for this purpose.
> I hope he will catch this mail and contact me.
>
> I have a spare broken nintendo ds i was wondering if i could a contactor
> from it to replace the button, but in any case i have not skills to solder
> them.
>
>   
Hi Philippe

I can't you help with the contactor unfortunatelly. But you should use 
lead-free solder.

-- 
Mit freundlichen Gr?ssen / Best Regards

Esra Kummer

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Fon: 0041 78 756 69 74
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From opessach at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 16:46:18 2009
From: opessach at gmail.com (Ori Pessach)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 08:46:18 -0600
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <e7c8b9730906070746o2e70c104kc118844d68dde690@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke
<liedekef at telenet.be>wrote:

> (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below)
>
> It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-)
>
> New website:
> ============
> We have a new website now, thanks to Fale: http://www.qtmoko.org
> There you can find all the latest changes, report bugs, etc ...
>


Hi,

Where's the best place to report and discuss bugs in this (and other)
releases?

I'm seeing a few problems so far: GPS doesn't appear to work at all, and
when connecting to WiFi, the DNS server doesn't appear to be set at all.
Setting it manually in /etc/resolv.conf didn't seem to do anything when I
tried with two different access points.

--Ori Pessach
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From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 16:50:48 2009
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 16:50:48 +0200
Subject: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
Message-ID: <26fea52c0906070750h146149d1la5e690ef9466bad@mail.gmail.com>

I find intone by far the best music app (low cpu usage); but I can't
find a way to route the audio through
Currently I use mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth /mp3/
I would love it if this would be possible with intone.

Does anybody know a way, or is there some work begin done?

btw: some info from joerg:
general rule: no audio app shall have a hardcoded audio device. A
setup option is mandatory
the only valid botch would be to have a unique dedicated device like
e.g. 'alsa-intone', then set up .asound to associate a physical device
to this symbolic name
nevertheless a lot of audio apps are borked and use a hardcoded
'default' device. This is absolutely deprecated


From daniel at totalueberwachung.de  Sun Jun  7 16:58:34 2009
From: daniel at totalueberwachung.de (Daniel Willmann)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 16:58:34 +0200
Subject: How to fix a broken AUX button ?
In-Reply-To: <7d727f8a0906070642ice8ce5au12367ab002e1f18a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7d727f8a0905250943t6e87f49br6197d56129d96f94@mail.gmail.com>
	<958244340905251519r247fe22bt80acc74fed12272f@mail.gmail.com>
	<7d727f8a0906070642ice8ce5au12367ab002e1f18a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090607165834.76f282b0@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de>

Hey,

On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:42:07 +0200
Philippe Lhardy <philippelhardy at chez.com> wrote:

> 2009/5/26 Joseph Reeves <iknowjoseph at gmail.com>:
> > Hi Philippe,
> >
> > Sorry I can't help you with your problem, but I was just replying to
> > say that I dropped mine the other day and the AUX button stopped
> > working... Keep us informed of any developments with yours.
> >
> 
> I had a proposition from Daniel Willman who propose to fix it but i
> can't get in touch with him, and his website login get in loop hence
> i can't either look at the ticket i openned for this purpose.
> I hope he will catch this mail and contact me.

sorry, I've only now been going through my mails. Due to
http://totalueberwachung.de/blog/2009/06/06/pwnd-by-lenovo I'm
currently not really online and responsive. I sincerely hope this mess
will be resolved by Tuesday.

I've seen this redirect loop before, but I'm not sure what causes it.
I'll just delete the account and you can try again.


Regards,
Daniel Willmann
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From liedekef at telenet.be  Sun Jun  7 17:03:11 2009
From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 17:03:11 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <e7c8b9730906070746o2e70c104kc118844d68dde690@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<e7c8b9730906070746o2e70c104kc118844d68dde690@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090607170311.0b5ca0f1@telenet.be>

On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 08:46:18 -0600
Ori Pessach <opessach at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke
> <liedekef at telenet.be>wrote:
> 
> > (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below)
> >
> > It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-)
> >
> > New website:
> > ============
> > We have a new website now, thanks to Fale: http://www.qtmoko.org
> > There you can find all the latest changes, report bugs, etc ...
> >
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Where's the best place to report and discuss bugs in this (and other)
> releases?
> 
> I'm seeing a few problems so far: GPS doesn't appear to work at all,
> and when connecting to WiFi, the DNS server doesn't appear to be set
> at all. Setting it manually in /etc/resolv.conf didn't seem to do
> anything when I tried with two different access points.
> 
> --Ori Pessach

Hi,

gps is known (some say it should work ...), but the wifi should work
just fine. I just tried it here again: first I emptied /etc/resolv.conf
(when connected via usb), removed the usb cable and tried connecting to
my wireless lan (not encrypted). This seemed to work just fine, just
make sure your wireless router gives you an ip and the correct DNS
server in the DHCP reply. Also, most wireless routers seem to be
confused when you try connecting a wireless client that had another IP
in the past, so sometimes you need to reboot the router (I hate it
when that happens, but it happens even with my laptop from time to
time).
For bugs: see http://www.qtmoko.org

Franky


From opessach at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 17:11:47 2009
From: opessach at gmail.com (Ori Pessach)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 09:11:47 -0600
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <20090607170311.0b5ca0f1@telenet.be>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<e7c8b9730906070746o2e70c104kc118844d68dde690@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090607170311.0b5ca0f1@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <e7c8b9730906070811o5df1f008n7cf186d4e320966c@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke
<liedekef at telenet.be>wrote:

> On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 08:46:18 -0600
> Ori Pessach <opessach at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke
> > <liedekef at telenet.be>wrote:
> >
> > > (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below)
> > >
> > > It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-)
> > >
> > > New website:
> > > ============
> > > We have a new website now, thanks to Fale: http://www.qtmoko.org
> > > There you can find all the latest changes, report bugs, etc ...
> > >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Where's the best place to report and discuss bugs in this (and other)
> > releases?
> >
> > I'm seeing a few problems so far: GPS doesn't appear to work at all,
> > and when connecting to WiFi, the DNS server doesn't appear to be set
> > at all. Setting it manually in /etc/resolv.conf didn't seem to do
> > anything when I tried with two different access points.
> >
> > --Ori Pessach
>
> Hi,
>
> gps is known (some say it should work ...), but the wifi should work
> just fine. I just tried it here again: first I emptied /etc/resolv.conf
> (when connected via usb), removed the usb cable and tried connecting to
> my wireless lan (not encrypted). This seemed to work just fine, just
> make sure your wireless router gives you an ip and the correct DNS
> server in the DHCP reply. Also, most wireless routers seem to be
> confused when you try connecting a wireless client that had another IP
> in the past, so sometimes you need to reboot the router (I hate it
> when that happens, but it happens even with my laptop from time to
> time).
> For bugs: see http://www.qtmoko.org
>
> Franky
>
>
Well, WiFi certainly doesn't work for me. As I said, I tried two different
APs so far.

One of them didn't connect at all (that's my home AP, using WPA2.) The
other, an open network, wouldn't set the DNS server.

Any pointers on how to start debugging this?

At one point, GPS was working (with an older release of QTopia from
Trolltech.) What's the thinking on that?

--Ori Pessach
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From opessach at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 17:15:37 2009
From: opessach at gmail.com (Ori Pessach)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 09:15:37 -0600
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <20090607170311.0b5ca0f1@telenet.be>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<e7c8b9730906070746o2e70c104kc118844d68dde690@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090607170311.0b5ca0f1@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <e7c8b9730906070815g79f85603wd338f36747b64402@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke
<liedekef at telenet.be>wrote:

> On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 08:46:18 -0600
> Ori Pessach <opessach at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke
> > <liedekef at telenet.be>wrote:
> >
> > > (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below)
> > >
> > > It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-)
> > >
> > > New website:
> > > ============
> > > We have a new website now, thanks to Fale: http://www.qtmoko.org
> > > There you can find all the latest changes, report bugs, etc ...
> > >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Where's the best place to report and discuss bugs in this (and other)
> > releases?
> >
> > I'm seeing a few problems so far: GPS doesn't appear to work at all,
> > and when connecting to WiFi, the DNS server doesn't appear to be set
> > at all. Setting it manually in /etc/resolv.conf didn't seem to do
> > anything when I tried with two different access points.
> >
> > --Ori Pessach
>
> Hi,
>
> gps is known (some say it should work ...), but the wifi should work
> just fine. I just tried it here again: first I emptied /etc/resolv.conf
> (when connected via usb), removed the usb cable and tried connecting to
> my wireless lan (not encrypted). This seemed to work just fine, just
> make sure your wireless router gives you an ip and the correct DNS
> server in the DHCP reply. Also, most wireless routers seem to be
> confused when you try connecting a wireless client that had another IP
> in the past, so sometimes you need to reboot the router (I hate it
> when that happens, but it happens even with my laptop from time to
> time).
> For bugs: see http://www.qtmoko.org
>
> Franky
>

One other thing - I get this when trying to report a bug on Trac:

*Warning:* <acct_mgr.web_ui.MessageWrapper object at 0x21eb9d0>
 Error: Forbidden

TICKET_CREATE privileges are required to perform this operation

TracGuide <http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/wiki/TracGuide> ?
The Trac User and Administration Guide

--Ori Pessach
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From opessach at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 17:17:32 2009
From: opessach at gmail.com (Ori Pessach)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 09:17:32 -0600
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
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On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Ori Pessach <opessach at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke <liedekef at telenet.be
> > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 08:46:18 -0600
>> Ori Pessach <opessach at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke
>> > <liedekef at telenet.be>wrote:
>> >
>> > > (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below)
>> > >
>> > > It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-)
>> > >
>> > > New website:
>> > > ============
>> > > We have a new website now, thanks to Fale: http://www.qtmoko.org
>> > > There you can find all the latest changes, report bugs, etc ...
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Where's the best place to report and discuss bugs in this (and other)
>> > releases?
>> >
>> > I'm seeing a few problems so far: GPS doesn't appear to work at all,
>> > and when connecting to WiFi, the DNS server doesn't appear to be set
>> > at all. Setting it manually in /etc/resolv.conf didn't seem to do
>> > anything when I tried with two different access points.
>> >
>> > --Ori Pessach
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> gps is known (some say it should work ...), but the wifi should work
>> just fine. I just tried it here again: first I emptied /etc/resolv.conf
>> (when connected via usb), removed the usb cable and tried connecting to
>> my wireless lan (not encrypted). This seemed to work just fine, just
>> make sure your wireless router gives you an ip and the correct DNS
>> server in the DHCP reply. Also, most wireless routers seem to be
>> confused when you try connecting a wireless client that had another IP
>> in the past, so sometimes you need to reboot the router (I hate it
>> when that happens, but it happens even with my laptop from time to
>> time).
>> For bugs: see http://www.qtmoko.org
>>
>> Franky
>>
>
> One other thing - I get this when trying to report a bug on Trac:
>
> *Warning:* <acct_mgr.web_ui.MessageWrapper object at 0x21eb9d0>
>  Error: Forbidden
>
> TICKET_CREATE privileges are required to perform this operation
>
> TracGuide <http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/wiki/TracGuide> ?
> The Trac User and Administration Guide
>
> --Ori Pessach
>
>

All right - you can disregard that. I wasn't patient enough and tried to
file a bug report before my email address was verified. Everything works
now.

--Ori Pessach
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From liedekef at telenet.be  Sun Jun  7 17:40:25 2009
From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 17:40:25 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
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On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 09:11:47 -0600
Ori Pessach <opessach at gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> Well, WiFi certainly doesn't work for me. As I said, I tried two
> different APs so far.
> 
> One of them didn't connect at all (that's my home AP, using WPA2.) The
> other, an open network, wouldn't set the DNS server.

if you use encrypted wifi, make sure you have the needed modules for
your kernel, that's beyond qtopia itself.
 
> Any pointers on how to start debugging this?

At first, make sure you have the following file present on your phone
(it should be automatically generated):
/home/root/Settings/Network/wireless/eth0
The content of that file should contain something like this for an
open network:

WIRELESS_MODE='Managed'
WIRELESS_ESSID="my_network_SID_name"
WIRELESS_AP=""
WIRELESS_BITRATE='auto'
WIRELESS_CHANNEL=''
WIRELESS_KEY_LENGTH='128'
WIRELESS_AUTH_MODE=NONE
WIRELESS_WEP_PHRASE=""
WIRELESS_KEY_0=
WIRELESS_KEY_1=
WIRELESS_KEY_2=
WIRELESS_KEY_3=

Also the file /home/root/Settings/Network/eth0 should exist with the
content
MODE=dhcp

The script that initializes the wireless is
at /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/bin/lan-network and creates a log
in /tmp/qtopia-network.log.
By default the usb0 interface on the phone gets disabled when you
connect the wireless, but if you comment out the line "ifdown usb0" in
the lan-network script, you can stay connected to your phone via pc-usb
while trying to connect to the wireless. When doing this, you can see
if the dhcp client runs or not ...

Also very important: what kernel are you using?

> At one point, GPS was working (with an older release of QTopia from
> Trolltech.) What's the thinking on that?

I've never gotten gps to work, no matter which distro I tried, so for
now, I accept this.

Franky


From cgagneraud at techworks.ie  Sun Jun  7 18:23:14 2009
From: cgagneraud at techworks.ie (Christian Gagneraud)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 17:23:14 +0100
Subject: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
In-Reply-To: <4A27CA73.8060809@techworks.ie>
References: <4A27CA73.8060809@techworks.ie>
Message-ID: <4A2BE972.5080104@techworks.ie>

Christian Gagneraud wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm using cellhunter since few month, with which i have gathered some 
> data (1646 cells so far here in Ireland) and uploaded to their server.
> I would like to give a try with OpenBmap, is there a way to convert 
> data from CH to OBM and upload them to OBM server?
> I know that OBM log more details than CH but i guess that CH's data 
> are still usable by OBM.
> 
> Generally speaking, what people think about these two project? And of 
> course the 2 billion euros/dollars question: Which one is the best?
> Does the 2 projects collaborate, if not are there any plan to do so?

I did a comparison of what's get logged/store by CH, OBM and OCI 
logger/database:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Cell data:
==========
                 OBM     CH      OCI
time            x       x       x
provider                x
mmc             x       x       x
mnc             x       x       x
lac             x       x       x
id              x       x       x
signal (1)      x       x
arfcn                   x
type (2)        x (3)
ta              x (3)
c1              x (4)
c2              x (4)
serving         x       x

GPS data:
=========
                 OBM     CH      OCI
time            x
lat             x       x       x
long            x       x       x
alt             x       x
heading         x
speed           x
hdop            x
vdop            x
pdop            x

Meta data:
==========
                 OBM     CH      OCI
hwmanuf         x
hwid            x       x
hwver           x
swid            x       x (5)
swver           x       x (5)
login/pass/key  x       x       x

(1) OBM: signal strength in dBM and rxlevel in % (?), CH: signal 
strength according to GSM specs
(2) Network type: GSM, UMTS, HSDPA, ...
(3) OBM: only with serving cells
(4) OBM: only with non-serving cells
(5) Via HTTP agent when uploading
------------------------------------------------------------------------

So finally, OCI logs basic information, CH a bit more, and OBM a lot 
more.

Here is the compatibility matrix between the loggers and the servers 
(database):

                  SERVER
             OCI    CH    OBM	
L G  OCI     x
O E  CH      x     x
G R  OBM     x            x


Both CH and OBM loggers can be used to populate OCI database.
For CH logger to be compatible with OBM database, there's lot of data 
that need to be added to the CH logger.
For OBM logger to be compatible with CH database, there's very few 
data that need to be added to the OBM logger:
- provider: the network operator, as reported by fso.GSM.Network.g 
getStatus() or Status() signal
- arfcn: current channel number, as reported by 
fso.GSM.Monitor.Get{Serving,Neighbour}CellInformation()
And only one data is expressed in a different unit:
- signal strength: OBM use dBm and CH use a scale as per %EM AT command

So finally, it would be ideal to enhance slightly the OBM logger, this 
way it will be universal in regards to the 3 databases. And this will 
give the user the complete freedom to upload his data to whatever 
database he wants (for example i would like to upload data to CH 
server for the fun and still contribute to OBM because i'm convinced 
of the higher quality of their data).

Some personal remarks (a bit OT):
- I was really surprised to see that CH logger use AT commands 
directly (via fso.GSM.Debug), whereas OBM logger use plainly the FSO 
interface.
- It's a pity that CH use signal strength in GSM scale, FSO use 
percent and OBM dBm. There's lot of wasted CPU (and battery) around...

Chris

PS: I don't pretend that this analysis is accurate nor mistake-free, 
so please correct me if i'm wrong somewhere.

> 
> Chris.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



From steve at openmoko.com  Sun Jun  7 18:37:53 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 09:37:53 -0700
Subject: Help requested: SHR Screenshots
In-Reply-To: <200906071514.02690.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
References: <4A2B8AA1.7040907@coralbark.net>	<20090607120044.40be7c73@laptop-vanek>
	<200906071514.02690.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <4A2BECE1.7090300@openmoko>

 Good resources for a user guide...

Michael Zanetti wrote:
> On Sunday 07 June 2009 12:00:44 Petr Vanek wrote:
>   
>> i am uploading it on http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ as we speak, please
>> select what you like :)
>>
>>     
>
> Very nice screenshots!
>
> How did you get the category bar on the bottom for example on screenshot 
> #2753?
>
> Thanks,
> Michael
>
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From steve at openmoko.com  Sun Jun  7 18:42:35 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 09:42:35 -0700
Subject: Stress test of my Freerunner
In-Reply-To: <200906071555.38024.sven@klomp.de>
References: <200906071555.38024.sven@klomp.de>
Message-ID: <4A2BEDFB.8020402@openmoko>

Thanks Sven,

  Sorry I was not there on Monday when you visited the office. I left 
TPE the previous friday.
  Glad to hear you love you FR, keep up the good work and best of luck 
on your project.


Sven Klomp wrote:
> As you already noticed from my last mail (Visit at Openmoko), I was traveling through Taiwan. I didn't want to blame anyone, but share my feelings with people that are also thrilled by this project. Nevertheless as several people already mentioned, we have an open phone! and there is a future!
>
> I use my Freerunner for several weeks as my daily phone now (started after the buzz was fixed by Daniel, thanks). However, the last two weeks I stretched my FR to the limit and it did it well:
> Few days before I started traveling Taiwan, I decided to make some GPS based diary for my friends at home. Thanks to the very easy API of FSO, I was able to write a basic application in Python within three evenings. The applications sends the current coordinates and some text to my server, where a KML file is created which can be downloaded by my friends. At the airport, I bought a cheap Taiwan SIM card and I started to transmit my position via GPRS (which also worked out-of-the-box). Furthermore, the timezone changed automagically based on GSM (my old Sony Ericsson wasn't able to do so).
>
> I had a lot of fun during the last weeks tracking my travel. Of course, I had some problems but I could solve all of them more or less. E.g. the SHR alarm application doesn't worked. So I did the alarm the bash way: sleep 28800 && aplay alarm.wav :-) With this solution, the phone couldn't suspend. Luckily, the wall charger has Taiwan connections below the European adaptor :-)
> Furthermore, I was that adventurous to make an opkg upgrade during the travel :-) Thereafter, I couldn't suspend after I started GPRS. Annoying, but not a serious problem.
>
> I love my FR
> Sven
>
> P.S.: Now I start to fill some bug reports :-)
>
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From list-openmoko at omoco.de  Sun Jun  7 18:46:22 2009
From: list-openmoko at omoco.de (Sebastian Hammerl)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 18:46:22 +0200
Subject: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
In-Reply-To: <4A2BE972.5080104@techworks.ie>
References: <4A27CA73.8060809@techworks.ie> <4A2BE972.5080104@techworks.ie>
Message-ID: <4A2BEEDE.3030602@omoco.de>

hi,

Christian Gagneraud schrieb:
> Christian Gagneraud wrote:
>   
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm using cellhunter since few month, with which i have gathered some 
>> data (1646 cells so far here in Ireland) and uploaded to their server.
>> I would like to give a try with OpenBmap, is there a way to convert 
>> data from CH to OBM and upload them to OBM server?
>> I know that OBM log more details than CH but i guess that CH's data 
>> are still usable by OBM.
>>
>> Generally speaking, what people think about these two project? And of 
>> course the 2 billion euros/dollars question: Which one is the best?
>> Does the 2 projects collaborate, if not are there any plan to do so?
>>     
>
> I did a comparison of what's get logged/store by CH, OBM and OCI 
> logger/database:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Cell data:
> ==========
>                  OBM     CH      OCI
> time            x       x       x
> provider                x
> mmc             x       x       x
> mnc             x       x       x
> lac             x       x       x
> id              x       x       x
> signal (1)      x       x
> arfcn                   x
> type (2)        x (3)
> ta              x (3)
> c1              x (4)
> c2              x (4)
> serving         x       x
>
> GPS data:
> =========
>                  OBM     CH      OCI
> time            x
> lat             x       x       x
> long            x       x       x
> alt             x       x
> heading         x
> speed           x
> hdop            x
> vdop            x
> pdop            x
>
>   
Cellhunter does save the gps time.

greetings, Sebastian
> Meta data:
> ==========
>                  OBM     CH      OCI
> hwmanuf         x
> hwid            x       x
> hwver           x
> swid            x       x (5)
> swver           x       x (5)
> login/pass/key  x       x       x
>
> (1) OBM: signal strength in dBM and rxlevel in % (?), CH: signal 
> strength according to GSM specs
> (2) Network type: GSM, UMTS, HSDPA, ...
> (3) OBM: only with serving cells
> (4) OBM: only with non-serving cells
> (5) Via HTTP agent when uploading
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> So finally, OCI logs basic information, CH a bit more, and OBM a lot 
> more.
>
> Here is the compatibility matrix between the loggers and the servers 
> (database):
>
>                   SERVER
>              OCI    CH    OBM	
> L G  OCI     x
> O E  CH      x     x
> G R  OBM     x            x
>
>
> Both CH and OBM loggers can be used to populate OCI database.
> For CH logger to be compatible with OBM database, there's lot of data 
> that need to be added to the CH logger.
> For OBM logger to be compatible with CH database, there's very few 
> data that need to be added to the OBM logger:
> - provider: the network operator, as reported by fso.GSM.Network.g 
> getStatus() or Status() signal
> - arfcn: current channel number, as reported by 
> fso.GSM.Monitor.Get{Serving,Neighbour}CellInformation()
> And only one data is expressed in a different unit:
> - signal strength: OBM use dBm and CH use a scale as per %EM AT command
>
> So finally, it would be ideal to enhance slightly the OBM logger, this 
> way it will be universal in regards to the 3 databases. And this will 
> give the user the complete freedom to upload his data to whatever 
> database he wants (for example i would like to upload data to CH 
> server for the fun and still contribute to OBM because i'm convinced 
> of the higher quality of their data).
>
> Some personal remarks (a bit OT):
> - I was really surprised to see that CH logger use AT commands 
> directly (via fso.GSM.Debug), whereas OBM logger use plainly the FSO 
> interface.
> - It's a pity that CH use signal strength in GSM scale, FSO use 
> percent and OBM dBm. There's lot of wasted CPU (and battery) around...
>
> Chris
>
> PS: I don't pretend that this analysis is accurate nor mistake-free, 
> so please correct me if i'm wrong somewhere.
>
>   
>> Chris.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>     
>
>
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From vendion at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 18:59:38 2009
From: vendion at gmail.com (Adam Jimerson)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 12:59:38 -0400
Subject: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
In-Reply-To: <26fea52c0906070750h146149d1la5e690ef9466bad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26fea52c0906070750h146149d1la5e690ef9466bad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200906071259.42619.vendion@charter.net>

On Sunday 07 June 2009 10:50:48 am Yorick Moko wrote:
> I find intone by far the best music app (low cpu usage); but I can't
> find a way to route the audio through
> Currently I use mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth /mp3/
> I would love it if this would be possible with intone.
>
> Does anybody know a way, or is there some work begin done?
>
> btw: some info from joerg:
> general rule: no audio app shall have a hardcoded audio device. A
> setup option is mandatory
> the only valid botch would be to have a unique dedicated device like
> e.g. 'alsa-intone', then set up .asound to associate a physical device
> to this symbolic name
> nevertheless a lot of audio apps are borked and use a hardcoded
> 'default' device. This is absolutely deprecated
>

I don't know if work on this is being done on this but if you don't get a 
reply on this list then I would suggest leaving a comment on opkg.org, 
http://www.opkg.org/package_190.html, and suggest it there I'm sure it can be 
done with intone.
-- 
"We must plan for freedom, and not only for security, if for no other reason 
than only freedom can make security more secure."  Karl Popper
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From www.rzr.online.fr at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 19:09:23 2009
From: www.rzr.online.fr at gmail.com (RzR www.rzr.online.fr)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 19:09:23 +0200
Subject: Help requested: SHR Screenshots
In-Reply-To: <4A2BECE1.7090300@openmoko>
References: <4A2B8AA1.7040907@coralbark.net>
	<20090607120044.40be7c73@laptop-vanek>
	<200906071514.02690.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<4A2BECE1.7090300@openmoko>
Message-ID: <78a9ab5d0906071009t5a7626cdh70c0e942b516fc94@mail.gmail.com>

Hi
If this help
there are some video , you can screenshot at :

http://rzr.online.fr/x/blip.tv/file/2198765

-- 
Related Obsession : http://rzr.online.fr/q/esd


From cchandel at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  7 19:22:20 2009
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:22:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
In-Reply-To: <26fea52c0906070750h146149d1la5e690ef9466bad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26fea52c0906070750h146149d1la5e690ef9466bad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1244395340764-3039249.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,

Yorick Moko wrote:
> 
>>Currently I use mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth /mp3/
>>I would love it if this would be possible with intone.
> 
 Well, I'm running mplayer from intone without any audio output driver. I
did
think of having an option for bluetooth - but was not clear if I would then
have
to set up the device too (pairing etc). Hence, the current status. 

  What would be the best way to do this? I could pick up the audio output
driver
from a configuration file. Or does anyone have any other ideas? 

  Especially, if users need to switch from the FR speaker / headphone to
bluetooth
device and vice versa - is intone expected to handle this?


Yorick Moko wrote:
> 
>>general rule: no audio app shall have a hardcoded audio device. A
>>setup option is mandatory
>>the only valid botch would be to have a unique dedicated device like
>>e.g. 'alsa-intone', then set up .asound to associate a physical device
>>to this symbolic name
> 
 I'm note very clear on this. Can someone throw some light on how to do
this?
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From cchandel at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  7 19:26:28 2009
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:26:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
In-Reply-To: <1244395340764-3039249.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <26fea52c0906070750h146149d1la5e690ef9466bad@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244395340764-3039249.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Hi,
  BTW, I prefer this list because okpg.org doesn't always send me a message
on a new post.

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From mike at mikeasoft.com  Sun Jun  7 19:41:52 2009
From: mike at mikeasoft.com (Michael Sheldon)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 18:41:52 +0100
Subject: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
In-Reply-To: <26fea52c0906070750h146149d1la5e690ef9466bad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26fea52c0906070750h146149d1la5e690ef9466bad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2BFBE0.7030508@mikeasoft.com>

Hi Yorick,

Yorick Moko wrote:
> I find intone by far the best music app (low cpu usage); but I can't
> find a way to route the audio through
> Currently I use mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth /mp3/
> I would love it if this would be possible with intone.
> 
> Does anybody know a way, or is there some work begin done?

I'm using intone with a2dp, all you need to do is edit ~/.mplayer/config
and add the line:

ao=alsa:device=bluetooth

Cheers,
 Mike.


From swap38 at openmoko-fr.org  Sun Jun  7 19:49:51 2009
From: swap38 at openmoko-fr.org (swap38)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 19:49:51 +0200
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <4A2B75D4.1030706@openmoko.com>
References: <B2JmzhoVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>	<4A296E13.3000601@openmoko>	<4A29CDBB.30509@bshed.com>	<7780e76c0906052001t3c433134l96315e4fe5c623f4@mail.gmail.com>	<20090606102319.GJ4625@almesberger.net>	<7e03858b0906062329i7182cc8wa5bfabbc952b541d@mail.gmail.com>
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Steve Mosher a ?crit :
> see inlined.
>
> Jeremy McNaughton wrote:
>   
>> (...)
>>
>> Organizing an Openmoko Foundation is something I'd really like to help
>> with.   Up till now I've not really had the skills to contribute any
>> sort of code.  The other activities open to me thus far (like bug
>> testing and documentation), well unfortunately haven't gotten me
>> involved in anything more than a casual basis (though I have learned
>> tonnes from my months of lurking).
>>     
>   I'll let Sean know personally. We've discussed it. Haralde also has
>   high regard for the idea.

good news :-)

Like jeremy I'm not enough skilled to contribute in code and I'm 
probably less skilled than him in management.
But I want to help as much as I can.

There's 2 solutions for a foundation :
1 - create a brand new Openmoko foundation
2 - join an a foundation that already exists an create a sub-group

The solution 2 is easier to start (and can be moved in solution 1 later).
We can ask to :
- Linux International (see this mail from maddog :
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/049177.html)
- Mozilla (they planned to build a mozilla phone :
http://mozphone.com/about/)
- LiMo ? (www.limofoundation.org)
- other ?

My 2 cents

Swap38


From david at tuxbrain.com  Sun Jun  7 19:53:08 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 19:53:08 +0200
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <4A2BFDBF.7050207@openmoko-fr.org>
References: <B2JmzhoVfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <4A296E13.3000601@openmoko>
	<4A29CDBB.30509@bshed.com>
	<7780e76c0906052001t3c433134l96315e4fe5c623f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090606102319.GJ4625@almesberger.net>
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+1 to LI
+1/2 to Mozilla
-2 to LiMo



2009/6/7 swap38 <swap38 at openmoko-fr.org>:
> Steve Mosher a ?crit :
>> see inlined.
>>
>> Jeremy McNaughton wrote:
>>
>>> (...)
>>>
>>> Organizing an Openmoko Foundation is something I'd really like to help
>>> with. ? Up till now I've not really had the skills to contribute any
>>> sort of code. ?The other activities open to me thus far (like bug
>>> testing and documentation), well unfortunately haven't gotten me
>>> involved in anything more than a casual basis (though I have learned
>>> tonnes from my months of lurking).
>>>
>> ? I'll let Sean know personally. We've discussed it. Haralde also has
>> ? high regard for the idea.
>
> good news :-)
>
> Like jeremy I'm not enough skilled to contribute in code and I'm
> probably less skilled than him in management.
> But I want to help as much as I can.
>
> There's 2 solutions for a foundation :
> 1 - create a brand new Openmoko foundation
> 2 - join an a foundation that already exists an create a sub-group
>
> The solution 2 is easier to start (and can be moved in solution 1 later).
> We can ask to :
> - Linux International (see this mail from maddog :
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/049177.html)
> - Mozilla (they planned to build a mozilla phone :
> http://mozphone.com/about/)
> - LiMo ? (www.limofoundation.org)
> - other ?
>
> My 2 cents
>
> Swap38
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



-- 
David Reyes Samblas Martinez
http://www.tuxbrain.com
Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!


From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 19:58:20 2009
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 19:58:20 +0200
Subject: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
In-Reply-To: <1244395340764-3039249.post@n2.nabble.com>
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see below

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 7:22 PM, c_c<cchandel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Yorick Moko wrote:
>>
>>>Currently I use mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth /mp3/
>>>I would love it if this would be possible with intone.
>>
> ?Well, I'm running mplayer from intone without any audio output driver. I
> did
> think of having an option for bluetooth - but was not clear if I would then
> have
> to set up the device too (pairing etc). Hence, the current status.
>
> ?What would be the best way to do this? I could pick up the audio output
> driver
> from a configuration file. Or does anyone have any other ideas?
>
> ?Especially, if users need to switch from the FR speaker / headphone to
> bluetooth
> device and vice versa - is intone expected to handle this?
I don't know..
but I do know it would be VERY convenient for me (and probably
everyone who likes to listen to music with BT)

I will test the solution of Michael Sheldon, but this is not a "real"
solution, it should be configurable, everbody wants to use the
speakers or headphones now and then

a button in intone would be very useful

>
>
> Yorick Moko wrote:
>>
>>>general rule: no audio app shall have a hardcoded audio device. A
>>>setup option is mandatory
>>>the only valid botch would be to have a unique dedicated device like
>>>e.g. 'alsa-intone', then set up .asound to associate a physical device
>>>to this symbolic name
>>
> ?I'm note very clear on this. Can someone throw some light on how to do
> this?
> --
> View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/intone-a2dp-%28bluetooth%29-support-tp3038819p3039249.html
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>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From lon.lentz at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 20:14:52 2009
From: lon.lentz at gmail.com (Lon Lentz)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 14:14:52 -0400
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <4A2BFDBF.7050207@openmoko-fr.org>
References: <B2JmzhoVfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <4A296E13.3000601@openmoko>
	<4A29CDBB.30509@bshed.com>
	<7780e76c0906052001t3c433134l96315e4fe5c623f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090606102319.GJ4625@almesberger.net>
	<7e03858b0906062329i7182cc8wa5bfabbc952b541d@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <dc6682e90906071114v46dbb7aeh34ab6419766fa816@mail.gmail.com>

  I support the acceptance of Jon's offer. I think that organizing through
LI (which can be later spunoff if need be) is akin to a start-up utilizing
the resources, influences, and connected personalities of an incubator. The
added appearance of solidity as a group may be encouragement to other
organizations or businesses to get involved, which is what we all need. More
involvement.

  The MozPhone is an interesting concept if true. We should be encouraging
them to use the FreeRunner as their working hardware before they decide to
run off to one of those far more expensive modular kits.



On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 1:49 PM, swap38 <swap38 at openmoko-fr.org> wrote:

>
> There's 2 solutions for a foundation :
> 1 - create a brand new Openmoko foundation
> 2 - join an a foundation that already exists an create a sub-group
>
> The solution 2 is easier to start (and can be moved in solution 1 later).
> We can ask to :
> - Linux International (see this mail from maddog :
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/049177.html)
> - Mozilla (they planned to build a mozilla phone :
> http://mozphone.com/about/)
> - LiMo ? (www.limofoundation.org)
>
>
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From opessach at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 20:14:54 2009
From: opessach at gmail.com (Ori Pessach)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 12:14:54 -0600
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
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I'll have to give this a try the next time I'm near an AP. Mine is 7000
miles away. It has decent range, but nothing approaching 7000 miles.

The kernel is 2.6.24.

--Ori Pessach

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke
<liedekef at telenet.be>wrote:

> On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 09:11:47 -0600
> Ori Pessach <opessach at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >
> > Well, WiFi certainly doesn't work for me. As I said, I tried two
> > different APs so far.
> >
> > One of them didn't connect at all (that's my home AP, using WPA2.) The
> > other, an open network, wouldn't set the DNS server.
>
> if you use encrypted wifi, make sure you have the needed modules for
> your kernel, that's beyond qtopia itself.
>
> > Any pointers on how to start debugging this?
>
> At first, make sure you have the following file present on your phone
> (it should be automatically generated):
> /home/root/Settings/Network/wireless/eth0
> The content of that file should contain something like this for an
> open network:
>
> WIRELESS_MODE='Managed'
> WIRELESS_ESSID="my_network_SID_name"
> WIRELESS_AP=""
> WIRELESS_BITRATE='auto'
> WIRELESS_CHANNEL=''
> WIRELESS_KEY_LENGTH='128'
> WIRELESS_AUTH_MODE=NONE
> WIRELESS_WEP_PHRASE=""
> WIRELESS_KEY_0=
> WIRELESS_KEY_1=
> WIRELESS_KEY_2=
> WIRELESS_KEY_3=
>
> Also the file /home/root/Settings/Network/eth0 should exist with the
> content
> MODE=dhcp
>
> The script that initializes the wireless is
> at /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/bin/lan-network and creates a log
> in /tmp/qtopia-network.log.
> By default the usb0 interface on the phone gets disabled when you
> connect the wireless, but if you comment out the line "ifdown usb0" in
> the lan-network script, you can stay connected to your phone via pc-usb
> while trying to connect to the wireless. When doing this, you can see
> if the dhcp client runs or not ...
>
> Also very important: what kernel are you using?
>
> > At one point, GPS was working (with an older release of QTopia from
> > Trolltech.) What's the thinking on that?
>
> I've never gotten gps to work, no matter which distro I tried, so for
> now, I accept this.
>
> Franky
>
> _______________________________________________
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From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 20:20:25 2009
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 20:20:25 +0200
Subject: virtualisation of android OKL4
Message-ID: <26fea52c0906071120q13a4ad5dn8af17684b07a385f@mail.gmail.com>

this might interest some of you (afaik okl4 is supported by arm4)

http://www.ok-labs.com/releases/release/ok-labs-accelerates-smartphone-deployments-with-okandroid


From unachievable at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 20:25:32 2009
From: unachievable at gmail.com (ivvmm)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:25:32 +0400
Subject: request for audiotagging
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410906042316u2ebf3569v70a21d4e6886c29c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A282B43.3020105@gmail.com>	<f8d5d4f30906041654v905f5b9wd69c8e8c10feede1@mail.gmail.com>	<200906050316.26744.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
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Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> OSM yes, Openmoko Yes.
> 
> There's some kind of mapping GUI at
> http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?view=markup
> It shows buttons that you can press to add tags in .osm format: speed
> limits etc.
> 
> I haven't had a close look at it, it was suggested to me here:
> http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/my-openmoko-wishlist/#comments (read the
> comments by pavel)
> 
> I think it could be extended/completed to be a usable tool, even wehn
> biking. It doesn't understand the road names etc but is a handy tool
> to add POI's etc. Someone with .py skill please have a look at it. If
> one would use this mokomapper with audio recorder, it'd be a powerful
> combination: the most simple tags you'd get by clicking FR and then
> read the street names.
> 
> So far I've been just recording the track with tangogps and taking
> photos and then sync gps and EXIF times.
> 
> regarding JOSM, I wouldn't use it on FR: I want a big screen to be
> able to do precisely what I want, to analyze the saved audio/gps/POI
> data.. (and I son't know what's the status of Java on OM..)
> 
> Please don't let this thread die before we have a good solution!
> 
> r
> 
> 

Found a separate dictaphone or a photo camera to be useful with
Freerunneers's GPX tracks and JOSM.

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From unachievable at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 20:37:07 2009
From: unachievable at gmail.com (ivvmm)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:37:07 +0400
Subject: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
Message-ID: <4A2C08D3.2090403@gmail.com>

Hello list

koolu.com wrongly sent North American variant of devices to our European
country in a pack. So what we got now is that devices operate only on
1800MHz frequency. That's twice bigger than 900MHz.

How dangerous could it be? I always carry the device near my heart
because it is needed to for GPS to receive an accurate position.

How could GSM module be shut down truly? We all know it sends
control-signals even if turned off.


Thank you.

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From digitalpioneer at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 20:57:43 2009
From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 13:57:43 -0500
Subject: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
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I've been using the configfile hack for a while too now, and I don't like
having to do that, but it works.
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From ignacio at torresmasdeu.name  Sun Jun  7 21:20:49 2009
From: ignacio at torresmasdeu.name (Ignacio Torres Masdeu)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:20:49 +0200
Subject: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
In-Reply-To: <4A2C08D3.2090403@gmail.com>
References: <4A2C08D3.2090403@gmail.com>
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On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 20:37, ivvmm<unachievable at gmail.com> wrote:
> koolu.com wrongly sent North American variant of devices to our European
> country in a pack. So what we got now is that devices operate only on
> 1800MHz frequency. That's twice bigger than 900MHz.

This is a joke, right? In Europe GSM frequencies are 900 and 1800MHz,
in USA 850 and 1900

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_ranges#GSM_frequency_usage_in_Europe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_ranges#GSM_frequency_usage_in_the_Americas

The freerunner (GTA02) has 2 versions working in three frequencies:
USA: 850/1800/1900MHz
Europe: 900/1800/1900MHz

> How dangerous could it be? I always carry the device near my heart
> because it is needed to for GPS to receive an accurate position.

The only dangerous thing is that if you are out of 1800MHz coverage
you won't be able to get the 900MHz frequency.

> How could GSM module be shut down truly? We all know it sends
> control-signals even if turned off.

Sacrificing a chicken helps.

-- 
Ignacio Torres  Masdeu
http://ignacio.torresmasdeu.name/


From hns at computer.org  Sun Jun  7 21:24:07 2009
From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:24:07 +0200
Subject: Linux International and Openmoko
In-Reply-To: <1244306551.6311.31.camel@shamet>
References: <1244306551.6311.31.camel@shamet>
Message-ID: <6479190D-594C-47CF-BC4E-F63B3A838FCC@computer.org>

I am very happy that my ideas that I had expressed and discussed  
beginning of April (and even non-public in March)

	http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gta03/2009-April/000006.html

have inspired many people: Steve who pushed for a GTA03 mailing list  
and opening the design process, Werner who now runs the GTA02-core  
project and now thank you Jon for proposals to give the community a  
new home!

IMHO, the community is now again going in the right (future oriented)  
direction and I am happy to see that.

Nikolaus

http://www.handheld-linux.com by Golden Delicious Computers

Am 06.06.2009 um 18:42 schrieb Jon 'maddog' Hall:

> Hello,
>
> I understand that there has been a discussion on this list about  
> having
> a foundation that would represent the community of Openmoko.
>
> Fifteen years ago Linux International was created to provide services
> for the Linux community.  It was started as a vendor organization,  
> at a
> time when there were not many vendors interested in Linux.  We  
> handled a
> lot of legal and business issues for Linux:
>
> o Protected the Linux Trademark from people that would "kidnap" it for
> various reasons
> o Helped to start two certification organizations (we funded some of  
> the
> original testing work for LPI certification)
> o Helped to start the Linux Standard Base project, which became the  
> Free
> Standards Group
> o Helped to form what became Linuxworld
> o Helped many local user groups start local events, most notably the
> Atlanta LinuxFest and the Ohio LinuxFest
>
> We tended to split off the groups we formed, afraid that one vendor
> organization would provide too much power in a centralized  
> organization.
>
> For various reasons as larger companies started to show interest in
> Linux, our membership went to form OSDL, which now is the Linux
> Foundation.  Linux International as an organization has been dormant  
> for
> about five years.  I have still been spreading the word about Free
> Software at conferences, through magazine articles and media  
> interviews.
>
> Recently I came up with the idea of reforming Linux International into
> an "end user" organization, with the concept that no company could  
> join
> as a member, nor sit on the board of directors as a member.  Only
> individual end users could hold membership, vote, etc.  Of course  
> almost
> everybody is an end user of some type of software, so the membership
> would be quite "open".  I have been working to change the charter of  
> LI
> to reflect this.
>
> Recently I started another project, not a phone, but otherwise similar
> in its needs to Openmoko.  This other project will have a community,  
> be
> completely "open", and needs an umbrella organization to help with  
> legal
> work, etc.  I intend on forming a sub-group of LI for this project.
>
> I could offer the same to Openmoko, to be a sub-group of LI.
>
> Linux International is already a legal entity.  We are a
> "not-for-profit" in the state of New Hampshire, U.S.A.  There are
> reasons why LI is a "not-for-profit" instead of a non-profit (501c3 or
> 501c6) which have to do with ease of applying revenues, etc.  Nothing
> stops LI from becoming a 501c6 (501c3 is very restrictive), and  
> nothing
> would stop the sub-group of Openmoko from becoming a non-profit, if  
> that
> is desired.
>
> Likewise the plans for LI are to have country chapters, with separate
> boards for each country chapter.  This was planned way before the
> current issue with Openmoko, but you could take advantage of the  
> planned
> structure if you wish.
>
> LI would solicit sponsorships to help fund its work which could come
> from companies, but again the voting membership would be from
> individuals only.  The things that LI does would be "Open" to all.  We
> do plan on having some things we charge for, to cover costs.
>
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From unachievable at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 21:30:27 2009
From: unachievable at gmail.com (ivvmm)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:30:27 +0400
Subject: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
In-Reply-To: <ea3e9f00906071220i3ad0a9c7g3136407b93529ac1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A2C08D3.2090403@gmail.com>
	<ea3e9f00906071220i3ad0a9c7g3136407b93529ac1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2C1553.90004@gmail.com>

Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 20:37, ivvmm<unachievable at gmail.com> wrote:
>> koolu.com wrongly sent North American variant of devices to our European
>> country in a pack. So what we got now is that devices operate only on
>> 1800MHz frequency. That's twice bigger than 900MHz.
> 
> This is a joke, right? In Europe GSM frequencies are 900 and 1800MHz,
> in USA 850 and 1900
> 

Sorry. Wrongly typed that. It is written "GSM: 850/1800/1900" under the
battery of my Frerunner.

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From woutersj at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 21:35:55 2009
From: woutersj at gmail.com (Jeroen Wouters)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:35:55 +0200
Subject: Where to purchase a new screen?
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W18BC074E96EBBD3898E0AE9480@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-W18BC074E96EBBD3898E0AE9480@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <501d57ec0906071235q644b62bau43518d1b3454bffd@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Nick Van Fossen<stix213 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I need to get a new screen for my Freerunner.? Anyone know where to purchase
> one?? I tried contacting a few of the local distributors here in North
> America, but after a week I haven't even received an e-mail reply.

Pulster has a screen repair service:
http://www.pulster.de/engl/index.html?openmoko.htm
Maybe they can also just send you the new screen.

Jeroen


From digitalpioneer at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 21:44:51 2009
From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 14:44:51 -0500
Subject: Power dongle
Message-ID: <ffce06340906071244l32b3ca92h2ea04d9924ac35d@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, I don't know if something like this exists, but I'm wondering if
anyone's seen one. Does anyone know of a little dongle that can store power
to run the FR for like 15 seconds or something? That would be really useful
for hotswapping the battery, since it's impossible to do that when I don't
have my laptop nearby.

-- 
Thanks,

The Digital Pioneer

--

Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
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From higleylh at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 21:49:29 2009
From: higleylh at gmail.com (Lowell Higley)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:49:29 +0200
Subject: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
In-Reply-To: <4A2C1553.90004@gmail.com>
References: <4A2C08D3.2090403@gmail.com>
	<ea3e9f00906071220i3ad0a9c7g3136407b93529ac1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A2C1553.90004@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e8b0b2470906071249l18b75775sc724ae330499dbc7@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:30 PM, ivvmm <unachievable at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 20:37, ivvmm<unachievable at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> koolu.com wrongly sent North American variant of devices to our
> European
> >> country in a pack. So what we got now is that devices operate only on
> >> 1800MHz frequency. That's twice bigger than 900MHz.
> >
> > This is a joke, right? In Europe GSM frequencies are 900 and 1800MHz,
> > in USA 850 and 1900
> >
>
> Sorry. Wrongly typed that. It is written "GSM: 850/1800/1900" under the
> battery of my Frerunner.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>
I live in Europe (but from the US) and use the US variant of the phone... I
have absolutely no issues related to the frequency.  It works like a champ.
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From tanuva at googlemail.com  Sun Jun  7 21:51:12 2009
From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:51:12 +0200
Subject: Power dongle
In-Reply-To: <ffce06340906071244l32b3ca92h2ea04d9924ac35d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ffce06340906071244l32b3ca92h2ea04d9924ac35d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200906072151.12844.tanuva@gmail.com>

Am Sonntag, 7. Juni 2009 21:44:51 schrieb The Digital Pioneer:
> Hey, I don't know if something like this exists, but I'm wondering if
> anyone's seen one. Does anyone know of a little dongle that can store
> power to run the FR for like 15 seconds or something? That would be
> really useful for hotswapping the battery, since it's impossible to do
> that when I don't have my laptop nearby.

Maybe you could solder something that can provide 1000mA @ 5V (package of 
rechargeables?) with a miniusb-plug... That's just a guess, I don't know 
if it would need more to provide power if the Neo just pulls 1000mA 
instead of 500 by force...

--
Marcel


From maxious at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 21:54:25 2009
From: maxious at gmail.com (Alex (Maxious) Sadleir)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 05:54:25 +1000
Subject: Power dongle
In-Reply-To: <ffce06340906071244l32b3ca92h2ea04d9924ac35d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ffce06340906071244l32b3ca92h2ea04d9924ac35d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1e5d79990906071254y2863beeep8a14acd083620a60@mail.gmail.com>

There's quite a few USB power sources (marketed as Emergency Phone Chargers)
around including some that run off normal batteries. I can get one of those
at any supermarket around here. They'll last longer than 15 seconds too.

There's also the option of making your own with a 9v battery, a diode, a
resistor and a mini-usb plug. You also could include the fast-charging plug
configuration specifically for the FR.
http://hackaday.com/2005/01/20/how-to-make-a-usb-battery/

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:44 AM, The Digital Pioneer <
digitalpioneer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey, I don't know if something like this exists, but I'm wondering if
> anyone's seen one. Does anyone know of a little dongle that can store power
> to run the FR for like 15 seconds or something? That would be really useful
> for hotswapping the battery, since it's impossible to do that when I don't
> have my laptop nearby.
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> The Digital Pioneer
>
> --
>
> Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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From digitalpioneer at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 21:54:37 2009
From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 14:54:37 -0500
Subject: Power dongle
In-Reply-To: <200906072151.12844.tanuva@gmail.com>
References: <ffce06340906071244l32b3ca92h2ea04d9924ac35d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200906072151.12844.tanuva@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ffce06340906071254g3706513cgf74f098efab80911@mail.gmail.com>

It just needs to provide the same power my laptop does via USB for a few
seconds. Such a thing would not be hard to make, I'm sure.
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From digitalpioneer at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 21:59:03 2009
From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 14:59:03 -0500
Subject: Power dongle
In-Reply-To: <1e5d79990906071254y2863beeep8a14acd083620a60@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ffce06340906071244l32b3ca92h2ea04d9924ac35d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1e5d79990906071254y2863beeep8a14acd083620a60@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ffce06340906071259o1f3dc10ckb6d327c7b3eb4036@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, I'd kinda prefer one that's nigh unto infinitesimal and only lasts a
few seconds, but I'll search for emergency phone chargers.
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From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 22:01:40 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 22:01:40 +0200
Subject: Power dongle
In-Reply-To: <ffce06340906071244l32b3ca92h2ea04d9924ac35d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ffce06340906071244l32b3ca92h2ea04d9924ac35d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc80906071301v18d44cfap9c7de52bb14c266c@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:44 PM, The Digital
Pioneer<digitalpioneer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey, I don't know if something like this exists, but I'm wondering if
> anyone's seen one. Does anyone know of a little dongle that can store power
> to run the FR for like 15 seconds or something?

http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/index.html

Best regards,
 Laszlo


From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Sun Jun  7 22:04:52 2009
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:04:52 +0200
Subject: Power dongle
In-Reply-To: <ffce06340906071259o1f3dc10ckb6d327c7b3eb4036@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ffce06340906071244l32b3ca92h2ea04d9924ac35d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1e5d79990906071254y2863beeep8a14acd083620a60@mail.gmail.com>
	<ffce06340906071259o1f3dc10ckb6d327c7b3eb4036@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.uu57d2ue41evsb@eeeginguppin>

> Yeah, I'd kinda prefer one that's nigh unto infinitesimal and only lasts  
> a
> few seconds, but I'll search for emergency phone chargers.


afair, gsm still depends on battery and goes down the moment the battery  
is down (or wawy, in your case) -- and after hotswapping it seems not  
always to come back, according to a few reports.
but it would be a nice addtion to the gta03-core design to include some  
kind of emergency battery for that very purpose.


From digitalpioneer at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 22:07:08 2009
From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:07:08 -0500
Subject: Power dongle
In-Reply-To: <op.uu57d2ue41evsb@eeeginguppin>
References: <ffce06340906071244l32b3ca92h2ea04d9924ac35d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1e5d79990906071254y2863beeep8a14acd083620a60@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ffce06340906071259o1f3dc10ckb6d327c7b3eb4036@mail.gmail.com> 
	<op.uu57d2ue41evsb@eeeginguppin>
Message-ID: <ffce06340906071307s49b054denc22d072c16cb146c@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, I'd like to see that for GTA03. In the meantime, I just turn off GSM
before swapping batts.
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From tanuva at googlemail.com  Sun Jun  7 22:09:43 2009
From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 22:09:43 +0200
Subject: Power dongle
In-Reply-To: <op.uu57d2ue41evsb@eeeginguppin>
References: <ffce06340906071244l32b3ca92h2ea04d9924ac35d@mail.gmail.com>
	<ffce06340906071259o1f3dc10ckb6d327c7b3eb4036@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.uu57d2ue41evsb@eeeginguppin>
Message-ID: <200906072209.43161.tanuva@gmail.com>

Am Sonntag, 7. Juni 2009 22:04:52 schrieb arne anka:
> > Yeah, I'd kinda prefer one that's nigh unto infinitesimal and only
> > lasts a
> > few seconds, but I'll search for emergency phone chargers.
>
> afair, gsm still depends on battery and goes down the moment the
> battery is down (or wawy, in your case) -- and after hotswapping it
> seems not always to come back, according to a few reports.
> but it would be a nice addtion to the gta03-core design to include some
> kind of emergency battery for that very purpose.

... or connect gsm power lines to some more flexible source?
(Said not having seen the pcb or schematics once except blurry images)

--
Marcel


From digitalpioneer at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 22:12:00 2009
From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:12:00 -0500
Subject: Power dongle
In-Reply-To: <200906072209.43161.tanuva@gmail.com>
References: <ffce06340906071244l32b3ca92h2ea04d9924ac35d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ffce06340906071259o1f3dc10ckb6d327c7b3eb4036@mail.gmail.com> 
	<op.uu57d2ue41evsb@eeeginguppin> <200906072209.43161.tanuva@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ffce06340906071312t5a99debbn825466e52775582f@mail.gmail.com>

That would be nice, but I don't even have a soldering iron.
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From werner at openmoko.org  Sun Jun  7 22:47:41 2009
From: werner at openmoko.org (Werner Almesberger)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 17:47:41 -0300
Subject: New list: gta02-core
Message-ID: <20090607204741.GT1579@almesberger.net>

[ Cross-posted to the community list, since there's been a lot of
  discussion about future projects as well. ]

A few people have voiced discomfort with the gta02-core project
dominating the gta03 list, and I have to admit that having us
squat there was more an act of opportunity than a good choice.

So please welcome the brand-new list dedicated solely to the
gta02-core project:

https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/gta02-core

The gta02-core project aims to create and test an open prototype
development process for phones using the design of the Openmoko
GTA02 "FreeRunner". 
 
This will not be the "next big open phone", but it should provide a
basis for making the hardware of one, using a development process
that is as open as we've come to expect from Free Software.

Please send new postings related to gta02-core only to the new
list, and copy replies to gta02-core-related postings on other
list to both lists, until the current threads all have moved.

Thanks,
- Werner


From david at tuxbrain.com  Sun Jun  7 22:49:41 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 22:49:41 +0200
Subject: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
In-Reply-To: <e8b0b2470906071249l18b75775sc724ae330499dbc7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A2C08D3.2090403@gmail.com>
	<ea3e9f00906071220i3ad0a9c7g3136407b93529ac1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A2C1553.90004@gmail.com>
	<e8b0b2470906071249l18b75775sc724ae330499dbc7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c6ceea80906071349r1f211beve2cf629258ad577e@mail.gmail.com>

ivvmm, frequency(in in the range we are talking about) is not the
harming factor is power (Watts) and in both frequencies the power will
be the same so as mentioned avobe the only harm you can recieve from a
US version is rare case of lack of coverage in some rural zones of
Europe.

LOL for the chicken sacrifice, a BBQ always helps!

2009/6/7 Lowell Higley <higleylh at gmail.com>:
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:30 PM, ivvmm <unachievable at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote:
>> > On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 20:37, ivvmm<unachievable at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> koolu.com wrongly sent North American variant of devices to our
>> >> European
>> >> country in a pack. So what we got now is that devices operate only on
>> >> 1800MHz frequency. That's twice bigger than 900MHz.
>> >
>> > This is a joke, right? In Europe GSM frequencies are 900 and 1800MHz,
>> > in USA 850 and 1900
>> >
>>
>> Sorry. Wrongly typed that. It is written "GSM: 850/1800/1900" under the
>> battery of my Frerunner.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>
> I live in Europe (but from the US) and use the US variant of the phone... I
> have absolutely no issues related to the frequency.? It works like a champ.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>



-- 
David Reyes Samblas Martinez
http://www.tuxbrain.com
Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!


From steve at openmoko.com  Sun Jun  7 22:57:53 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 13:57:53 -0700
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <4A2BFDBF.7050207@openmoko-fr.org>
References: <B2JmzhoVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>	<4A296E13.3000601@openmoko>	<4A29CDBB.30509@bshed.com>	<7780e76c0906052001t3c433134l96315e4fe5c623f4@mail.gmail.com>	<20090606102319.GJ4625@almesberger.net>	<7e03858b0906062329i7182cc8wa5bfabbc952b541d@mail.gmail.com>	<4A2B75D4.1030706@openmoko.com>
	<4A2BFDBF.7050207@openmoko-fr.org>
Message-ID: <4A2C29D1.7030005@openmoko.com>

Swap.

  Thanks. There are many options available to OM. I'm sure they all be 
considered


Steve


swap38 wrote:
> Steve Mosher a ?crit :
>> see inlined.
>>
>> Jeremy McNaughton wrote:
>>   
>>> (...)
>>>
>>> Organizing an Openmoko Foundation is something I'd really like to help
>>> with.   Up till now I've not really had the skills to contribute any
>>> sort of code.  The other activities open to me thus far (like bug
>>> testing and documentation), well unfortunately haven't gotten me
>>> involved in anything more than a casual basis (though I have learned
>>> tonnes from my months of lurking).
>>>     
>>   I'll let Sean know personally. We've discussed it. Haralde also has
>>   high regard for the idea.
> 
> good news :-)
> 
> Like jeremy I'm not enough skilled to contribute in code and I'm 
> probably less skilled than him in management.
> But I want to help as much as I can.
> 
> There's 2 solutions for a foundation :
> 1 - create a brand new Openmoko foundation
> 2 - join an a foundation that already exists an create a sub-group
> 
> The solution 2 is easier to start (and can be moved in solution 1 later).
> We can ask to :
> - Linux International (see this mail from maddog :
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/049177.html)
> - Mozilla (they planned to build a mozilla phone :
> http://mozphone.com/about/)
> - LiMo ? (www.limofoundation.org)
> - other ?
> 
> My 2 cents
> 
> Swap38
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 


From risto at kurppa.fi  Sun Jun  7 23:08:42 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 00:08:42 +0300
Subject: Om2009 testing release 4
In-Reply-To: <b66a83e00906061902n4245bcf6y336002c7e0a9d09@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200905211334.48701.nytowl@openmoko.org>
	<1ae168930906041400v517f0695ib113beb443553737@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090604212207.GA7828@roque.1407.org>
	<b66a83e00906041431q431d05dw5c5789be7b9db83d@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170906061330y5d6d586ar5f3715152e24cc30@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00906061902n4245bcf6y336002c7e0a9d09@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d3e504410906071408kce0699dyce359a8a5532e296@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 5:02 AM, Warren Baird<wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> Hmm.?? In this thread:
> http://n2.nabble.com/Buzz-fix-difficulty--was-Re%3A-US-Buzz-GPS-Fix--tp2679871p2733711.html
> Joerg states that the -a7 version is the only 'real' state file.
>
> I also tried
> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new
> and found I got a lot more static that with the -a7 file...
>
> *shrug*

and here Joerg states being wrong:
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2121#comment:3 (and AFAIK they're
now working on removing the -a7 since - it's wrong :)


r


-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From maddog at li.org  Sun Jun  7 23:19:39 2009
From: maddog at li.org (Jon 'maddog' Hall)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 17:19:39 -0400
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <4A2C29D1.7030005@openmoko.com>
References: <B2JmzhoVfTB@cpu.pulster.de>	<4A296E13.3000601@openmoko>
	<4A29CDBB.30509@bshed.com>
	<7780e76c0906052001t3c433134l96315e4fe5c623f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090606102319.GJ4625@almesberger.net>
	<7e03858b0906062329i7182cc8wa5bfabbc952b541d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A2B75D4.1030706@openmoko.com> <4A2BFDBF.7050207@openmoko-fr.org>
	<4A2C29D1.7030005@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <1244409579.5825.7.camel@shamet>

One comment about both the limo foundation and the mozilla foundation is
that they seem to be pushing the design of one stack of software.  From
my observations of Openmoko to date, the concept is more of open
hardware and multiple operating system stacks, even to the point of
having BSD on the phone (or perhaps other stacks that do not use a Linux
kernel).

One of the issues I have with Linux International as an end user's group
for all of Free Software is the name "Linux", which would turn off
certain groups of people.  I have struggled with this, but in the end I
am going to keep the name, because it is already set up (the easiest
path), the name recognition and to honor my friend Linus Torvalds.
However all Free Software users would be welcome.

Make sure that whatever group you join gives you the freedom you desire.

Warmest regards,

maddog



From risto at kurppa.fi  Sun Jun  7 23:37:43 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 00:37:43 +0300
Subject: Stress test of my Freerunner
In-Reply-To: <200906071555.38024.sven@klomp.de>
References: <200906071555.38024.sven@klomp.de>
Message-ID: <d3e504410906071437n9b4bbecsda776586f0bf7a92@mail.gmail.com>

Great, this is encouraging!

Please share your blogging script, I'm sure there are people interested in it!

r

-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From russellh at ysmail.net  Mon Jun  8 00:11:03 2009
From: russellh at ysmail.net (Russell Hay)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 23:11:03 +0100
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <e7c8b9730906071114n72518e23p9e0e9ca047306108@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<e7c8b9730906070746o2e70c104kc118844d68dde690@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090607170311.0b5ca0f1@telenet.be>
	<e7c8b9730906070811o5df1f008n7cf186d4e320966c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090607174025.7b8d2be3@telenet.be>
	<e7c8b9730906071114n72518e23p9e0e9ca047306108@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c3e817ba0906071511q4a27b392m5f481b3e0ad7309d@mail.gmail.com>

I've noticed that I cannot load any https websites with the browser.. issues
with SSL libraries?

Russ


2009/6/7 Ori Pessach <opessach at gmail.com>

> I'll have to give this a try the next time I'm near an AP. Mine is 7000
> miles away. It has decent range, but nothing approaching 7000 miles.
>
> The kernel is 2.6.24.
>
> --Ori Pessach
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke <liedekef at telenet.be
> > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 09:11:47 -0600
>> Ori Pessach <opessach at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >
>> > Well, WiFi certainly doesn't work for me. As I said, I tried two
>> > different APs so far.
>> >
>> > One of them didn't connect at all (that's my home AP, using WPA2.) The
>> > other, an open network, wouldn't set the DNS server.
>>
>> if you use encrypted wifi, make sure you have the needed modules for
>> your kernel, that's beyond qtopia itself.
>>
>> > Any pointers on how to start debugging this?
>>
>> At first, make sure you have the following file present on your phone
>> (it should be automatically generated):
>> /home/root/Settings/Network/wireless/eth0
>> The content of that file should contain something like this for an
>> open network:
>>
>> WIRELESS_MODE='Managed'
>> WIRELESS_ESSID="my_network_SID_name"
>> WIRELESS_AP=""
>> WIRELESS_BITRATE='auto'
>> WIRELESS_CHANNEL=''
>> WIRELESS_KEY_LENGTH='128'
>> WIRELESS_AUTH_MODE=NONE
>> WIRELESS_WEP_PHRASE=""
>> WIRELESS_KEY_0=
>> WIRELESS_KEY_1=
>> WIRELESS_KEY_2=
>> WIRELESS_KEY_3=
>>
>> Also the file /home/root/Settings/Network/eth0 should exist with the
>> content
>> MODE=dhcp
>>
>> The script that initializes the wireless is
>> at /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/bin/lan-network and creates a log
>> in /tmp/qtopia-network.log.
>> By default the usb0 interface on the phone gets disabled when you
>> connect the wireless, but if you comment out the line "ifdown usb0" in
>> the lan-network script, you can stay connected to your phone via pc-usb
>> while trying to connect to the wireless. When doing this, you can see
>> if the dhcp client runs or not ...
>>
>> Also very important: what kernel are you using?
>>
>> > At one point, GPS was working (with an older release of QTopia from
>> > Trolltech.) What's the thinking on that?
>>
>> I've never gotten gps to work, no matter which distro I tried, so for
>> now, I accept this.
>>
>> Franky
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>
>
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From mickey at vanille-media.de  Mon Jun  8 00:37:23 2009
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 00:37:23 +0200
Subject: Stress test of my Freerunner!
In-Reply-To: <200906071555.38024.sven@klomp.de>
References: <200906071555.38024.sven@klomp.de>
Message-ID: <200906080037.23609.mickey@vanille-media.de>

Great post, good vibrations!

Thanks for sharing... and keep the bug reports coming!

Cheers,

:M:



From maddog at li.org  Mon Jun  8 01:04:08 2009
From: maddog at li.org (Jon 'maddog' Hall)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 19:04:08 -0400
Subject: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
In-Reply-To: <4A2C08D3.2090403@gmail.com>
References: <4A2C08D3.2090403@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1244415848.6626.16.camel@shamet>

Hello,

>koolu.com wrongly sent North American variant of devices to our
>European country in a pack.

I contacted Elaine Turner in our sales department about this, and she
told me that the only issue she had ever known about was a person who
ordered the units to be delivered to the United States as 850/1800/1900
phones, and then had the units shipped to Europe.

When they contacted us to complain that they were not 900/1800/1900, she
showed them the order form where they had specified 850/1800/1900.

If this is not the case with your order, and if Koolu made a mistake
with the order, please send email to sales at koolu.com and I am sure that
Elaine will straighten it out.

Otherwise you should have said "I wrongly ordered the North American
variant..."

Warmest regards,

maddog



From mikeumo at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 01:18:54 2009
From: mikeumo at gmail.com (Mike)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 18:18:54 -0500
Subject: How to get started with Openmoko phone?
In-Reply-To: <63F4EC75-E4C5-4891-99CE-F1DB84A287DE@mac.com>
References: <200906062138.29427.mikeumo@gmail.com>
	<63F4EC75-E4C5-4891-99CE-F1DB84A287DE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <200906071818.54757.mikeumo@gmail.com>

Thank you, Robin and Damian! 

I know how it works now. Another question: Shall I be able to keep my cell 
phone number?

Thanks again for your time!





On Saturday 06 June 2009 22:39:11 Damian Spriggs wrote:
> > 1) Is there any particular kind of wireless carrier (in US) I need to
> > subscribe to?
>
> Any that use a SIM card. So AT&T or T-Mobile. (I use AT&T just fine)
>
> > 2) Do I need to tell the carrier that I shall be using a linux-based
> > phone?
>
> Nope. It's a good idea not to tell them. There is nothing that they
> need to do other than give you service.
>
> > 3) Can I use Nextel or ATT and T-mobile are my only national carrier
> > options?
>
> Not 100% sure, but I don't think Nextel phones use SIMs. I may be
> wrong though.
>
> > 4) How do I get a SIM card for the phone?
>
> When you sign up for service, they will give you one, usually in a
> free phone. All you need to do is pull the SIM out of the phone and
> install it in the Freerunner
>
> > 5) Can I text (SMS) -- I intend on using Qtopia at the beginning?
>
> Yep, Texting works on all major distros
>
> > 6) Can I sync addresses etc with my desktop?
>
> I haven't done it personally, but I've seen maillist threads
> describing the process.
>
> > I have been using Sprint (CDMA) -- so I am quite unfamiliar with the
> > GSM world
> > (and a phone that does not come with the service) -- I would
> > appreciate any
> > (obvious) tips on how to get from buying the FreeRunner to making and
> > receiving calls and text messages.
>
> Your best bet would be a good, thorough read through of the wiki[1].
> There is a plethora of introductory information. If you still have
> questions, try the friendly maillists or IRC channels.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org
> ---
> Damian A. Spriggs




From damianspriggs at mac.com  Mon Jun  8 02:09:53 2009
From: damianspriggs at mac.com (Damian Spriggs)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 20:09:53 -0400
Subject: How to get started with Openmoko phone?
In-Reply-To: <200906071818.54757.mikeumo@gmail.com>
References: <200906062138.29427.mikeumo@gmail.com>
	<63F4EC75-E4C5-4891-99CE-F1DB84A287DE@mac.com>
	<200906071818.54757.mikeumo@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <167C878B-D8D9-48BE-811D-4E9EA060F1A8@mac.com>

Yep, you'll have no problem keeping your phone number. When you sign  
up with a new provider, they'll transfer it for you.

--
Damian

On Jun 7, 2009, at 7:18 PM, Mike wrote:

> Thank you, Robin and Damian!
>
> I know how it works now. Another question: Shall I be able to keep  
> my cell
> phone number?
>
> Thanks again for your time!



From cchandel at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  8 02:27:17 2009
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 17:27:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
In-Reply-To: <ffce06340906071157l479b2866oc5a769f978277962@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26fea52c0906070750h146149d1la5e690ef9466bad@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244395340764-3039249.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<26fea52c0906071058l39a67f3t7580ddb6fe7104a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<ffce06340906071157l479b2866oc5a769f978277962@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1244420837178-3040845.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,

The Digital Pioneer wrote:
> 
>>I've been using the configfile hack for a while too now, and I don't like
>>having to do that, but it works.
> 
 Guys, I need a little help here. I could modify the config file from intone
itself and restart mplayer - but I don't think that's the best way to do it.

  Can someone with more knowledge about alsa linux system point me to
the recommended way of doing something like this? 

 Thanks.
-- 
View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/intone-a2dp-%28bluetooth%29-support-tp3038819p3040845.html
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From the.rhorn at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 02:27:46 2009
From: the.rhorn at gmail.com (Rene Horn)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 19:27:46 -0500
Subject: How to get started with Openmoko phone?
In-Reply-To: <63F4EC75-E4C5-4891-99CE-F1DB84A287DE@mac.com>
References: <200906062138.29427.mikeumo@gmail.com>
	<63F4EC75-E4C5-4891-99CE-F1DB84A287DE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <b8e8c9290906071727t5d80dbc4u152ace162361cf24@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Damian Spriggs <damianspriggs at mac.com>wrote:

>
> 1) Is there any particular kind of wireless carrier (in US) I need to
> subscribe to?
>
> Any that use a SIM card. So AT&T or T-Mobile. (I use AT&T just fine)
>

Slightly off.  It also needs to be a GSM network.  Right now, that's only
AT&T & T-Mobile for the US.


>
>
> 2) Do I need to tell the carrier that I shall be using a linux-based phone?
>
>
> Nope. It's a good idea not to tell them. There is nothing that they need to
> do other than give you service.
>

Neither AT&T nor T-Mobile care.  You can ask them for just the SIM card.  I
did.


>
>
> 3) Can I use Nextel or ATT and T-mobile are my only national carrier
> options?
>
> Not 100% sure, but I don't think Nextel phones use SIMs. I may be wrong
> though.
>

Yes they do, but they don't do GSM.


>
>
> 4) How do I get a SIM card for the phone?
>
> When you sign up for service, they will give you one, usually in a free
> phone. All you need to do is pull the SIM out of the phone and install it in
> the Freerunner
>

No, just ask for a SIM card.  It's actually cheaper.


>
>
> 5) Can I text (SMS) -- I intend on using Qtopia at the beginning?
>
> Yep, Texting works on all major distros
>
>
>
> 6) Can I sync addresses etc with my desktop?
>
> I haven't done it personally, but I've seen maillist threads describing the
> process.
>
>
>
> I have been using Sprint (CDMA) -- so I am quite unfamiliar with the GSM
> world
> (and a phone that does not come with the service) -- I would appreciate any
>
> (obvious) tips on how to get from buying the FreeRunner to making and
> receiving calls and text messages.
>
>
> Your best bet would be a good, thorough read through of the wiki[1]. There
> is a plethora of introductory information. If you still have questions, try
> the friendly maillists or IRC channels.
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org
> ---
> Damian A. Spriggs
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>


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From the.rhorn at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 02:43:40 2009
From: the.rhorn at gmail.com (Rene Horn)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 19:43:40 -0500
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <b8e8c9290906071743i58e2e6b3me67f2f4f62a338aa@mail.gmail.com>

I just tried out this version.  I'm still having issues with GPRS.  I'd like
to be able to fix the issue myself if I could, or at least point out a
possible fix.  I know it can work because it does under SHR-Unstable.

Where should I be looking for this?  Where is all the GPRS code located?
Where are the scripts?

Rene

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke
<liedekef at telenet.be>wrote:

> (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below)
>
> It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-)
>
> New website:
> ============
> We have a new website now, thanks to Fale: http://www.qtmoko.org
> There you can find all the latest changes, report bugs, etc ...
>
> IRC channel:
> ============
> For those wanting to talk: on irc.freenode.net, channel #qtopia is open
> for business.
>
> Things solved/added/changed:
> ============================
> See http://www.qtmoko.org/wiki/Change_log
> See http://github.com/liedekef/qtmoko/commits/master for the changelog
> in detail
>
> Problems found (more like small nuisances now):
> ===============================================
> See http://www.qtmoko.org
> - if you set the time back to something in the past, the clock service
>  crashes and you need to restart qtextended if you want to use the
>  clock again
> - bluetooth is not working totally ok, only after initial boot it
>  works, not after suspend/resume. Seems to be kernel/bluez3 version
>  combo issue ... After suspend/resume bluetooth seems to work, but
>  receiving files for sure doesn't.
> - if you try to delete the "Wireless Lan", the system crashes ... cool
>  huh, a crashed phone? So for now: don't do it :-)
> - slow building up of the Contacts, because of all the sql queries for
>  a*, b*, c*, ...
>
> Install instructions:
> =====================
> download the script
> http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qtmoko_install.sh , read the
> comments at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after
> having flashed the device and made sure internet works).
> The script has 2 options: "install" or "update". An update will just
> download the tgz file and replace your current qtmoko with it.
>
> For those who just want to replace their existing qtmoko manually,
> here's the link: http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qte_20090601.tgz .
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Franky
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



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From mikeumo at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 02:57:09 2009
From: mikeumo at gmail.com (Mike)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 19:57:09 -0500
Subject: How to get started with Openmoko phone?
In-Reply-To: <b8e8c9290906071727t5d80dbc4u152ace162361cf24@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200906062138.29427.mikeumo@gmail.com>
	<63F4EC75-E4C5-4891-99CE-F1DB84A287DE@mac.com>
	<b8e8c9290906071727t5d80dbc4u152ace162361cf24@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200906071957.09962.mikeumo@gmail.com>

Thanks, Rene --

I just ordered the freerunner -- very exciting!

Mike.

On Sunday 07 June 2009 19:27:46 Rene Horn wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Damian Spriggs 
<damianspriggs at mac.com>wrote:
> > 1) Is there any particular kind of wireless carrier (in US) I need to
> > subscribe to?
> >
> > Any that use a SIM card. So AT&T or T-Mobile. (I use AT&T just fine)
>
> Slightly off.  It also needs to be a GSM network.  Right now, that's only
> AT&T & T-Mobile for the US.
>
> > 2) Do I need to tell the carrier that I shall be using a linux-based
> > phone?
> >
> >
> > Nope. It's a good idea not to tell them. There is nothing that they need
> > to do other than give you service.
>
> Neither AT&T nor T-Mobile care.  You can ask them for just the SIM card.  I
> did.
>
> > 3) Can I use Nextel or ATT and T-mobile are my only national carrier
> > options?
> >
> > Not 100% sure, but I don't think Nextel phones use SIMs. I may be wrong
> > though.
>
> Yes they do, but they don't do GSM.
>
> > 4) How do I get a SIM card for the phone?
> >
> > When you sign up for service, they will give you one, usually in a free
> > phone. All you need to do is pull the SIM out of the phone and install it
> > in the Freerunner
>
> No, just ask for a SIM card.  It's actually cheaper.
>
> > 5) Can I text (SMS) -- I intend on using Qtopia at the beginning?
> >
> > Yep, Texting works on all major distros
> >
> >
> >
> > 6) Can I sync addresses etc with my desktop?
> >
> > I haven't done it personally, but I've seen maillist threads describing
> > the process.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have been using Sprint (CDMA) -- so I am quite unfamiliar with the GSM
> > world
> > (and a phone that does not come with the service) -- I would appreciate
> > any
> >
> > (obvious) tips on how to get from buying the FreeRunner to making and
> > receiving calls and text messages.
> >
> >
> > Your best bet would be a good, thorough read through of the wiki[1].
> > There is a plethora of introductory information. If you still have
> > questions, try the friendly maillists or IRC channels.
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> >
> > [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org
> > ---
> > Damian A. Spriggs
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community




From digitalpioneer at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 03:07:19 2009
From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 20:07:19 -0500
Subject: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
In-Reply-To: <1244420837178-3040845.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <26fea52c0906070750h146149d1la5e690ef9466bad@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1244395340764-3039249.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<26fea52c0906071058l39a67f3t7580ddb6fe7104a2@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ffce06340906071157l479b2866oc5a769f978277962@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1244420837178-3040845.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <ffce06340906071807j60c53dd0t852b2138879fe00b@mail.gmail.com>

>
>  Can someone with more knowledge about alsa linux system point me to
> the recommended way of doing something like this?
>
>  Thanks.


AFAIK, the only way to do it is to run mplayer with -ao
alsa:device=bluetooth

-- 
Thanks,

The Digital Pioneer

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From cchandel at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  8 03:14:53 2009
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 18:14:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
In-Reply-To: <ffce06340906071807j60c53dd0t852b2138879fe00b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26fea52c0906070750h146149d1la5e690ef9466bad@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244395340764-3039249.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<26fea52c0906071058l39a67f3t7580ddb6fe7104a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<ffce06340906071157l479b2866oc5a769f978277962@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244420837178-3040845.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<ffce06340906071807j60c53dd0t852b2138879fe00b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1244423693647-3040934.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,

The Digital Pioneer wrote:
> 
>>AFAIK, the only way to do it is to run mplayer with -ao
>>alsa:device=bluetooth
> 
  Ok. But what would be the best of doing so from intone :-

 1. I stop the current process from Intone
 2. Start new process with the -ao flag

  Or

 I can have 2 configurations in a file (normal / bluetooth) - I 
think .asoundrc and change output from intone somehow using
that.

 I'm not all that clued up on alsa - so can someone with more knowledge
than I throw some light?   
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From digitalpioneer at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 03:18:29 2009
From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 20:18:29 -0500
Subject: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
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I think your best bet is to respawn mplayer with the flag.
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From chris at csamuel.org  Mon Jun  8 03:26:01 2009
From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:26:01 +1000
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
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On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 01:11:47 am Ori Pessach wrote:

> At one point, GPS was working (with an older release of QTopia from
> Trolltech.)

I can confirm that GPS worked on Qtopia and QtE for me, haven't tried it under 
QtMoko yet.

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From roguemoko at roguewrt.org  Mon Jun  8 03:59:30 2009
From: roguemoko at roguewrt.org (roguemoko at roguewrt.org)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:59:30 +1000
Subject: Fundamental Qi question
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On 6/06/2009 6:26 PM, arne anka wrote:
> stop answering to me at all!

 From one dolt to another, stop trying to convert threads with your own 
agenda and answer the original frakkin question, or ask your own ... or 
stay silent and this won't happen.

You have some worthwhile input when you stay in context, I know you're 
not as dumb as you appear at this moment, I wouldn't have had a go at 
your otherwise.

Sarton


From steve at openmoko.com  Mon Jun  8 04:17:46 2009
From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 19:17:46 -0700
Subject: Linux International and Openmoko
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Thank you Dr. Schaller,

  Your suggestions, both about the business of Openmoko, and the paths
forward for the company have been an inspiration to me. Not to mention
your dogged determination in helping us get the buzz fix out to the
community. Had we not taken your suggestions and adopted your program
our community would still be buzzed! Thanks also for helping our
partners in North America bring your program to that continent.

Steve

Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> I am very happy that my ideas that I had expressed and discussed  
> beginning of April (and even non-public in March)
> 
> 	http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gta03/2009-April/000006.html
> 
> have inspired many people: Steve who pushed for a GTA03 mailing list  
> and opening the design process, Werner who now runs the GTA02-core  
> project and now thank you Jon for proposals to give the community a  
> new home!
> 
> IMHO, the community is now again going in the right (future oriented)  
> direction and I am happy to see that.
> 
> Nikolaus
> 
> http://www.handheld-linux.com by Golden Delicious Computers
> 
> Am 06.06.2009 um 18:42 schrieb Jon 'maddog' Hall:
> 
>> Hello,
>>
>> I understand that there has been a discussion on this list about  
>> having
>> a foundation that would represent the community of Openmoko.
>>
>> Fifteen years ago Linux International was created to provide services
>> for the Linux community.  It was started as a vendor organization,  
>> at a
>> time when there were not many vendors interested in Linux.  We  
>> handled a
>> lot of legal and business issues for Linux:
>>
>> o Protected the Linux Trademark from people that would "kidnap" it for
>> various reasons
>> o Helped to start two certification organizations (we funded some of  
>> the
>> original testing work for LPI certification)
>> o Helped to start the Linux Standard Base project, which became the  
>> Free
>> Standards Group
>> o Helped to form what became Linuxworld
>> o Helped many local user groups start local events, most notably the
>> Atlanta LinuxFest and the Ohio LinuxFest
>>
>> We tended to split off the groups we formed, afraid that one vendor
>> organization would provide too much power in a centralized  
>> organization.
>>
>> For various reasons as larger companies started to show interest in
>> Linux, our membership went to form OSDL, which now is the Linux
>> Foundation.  Linux International as an organization has been dormant  
>> for
>> about five years.  I have still been spreading the word about Free
>> Software at conferences, through magazine articles and media  
>> interviews.
>>
>> Recently I came up with the idea of reforming Linux International into
>> an "end user" organization, with the concept that no company could  
>> join
>> as a member, nor sit on the board of directors as a member.  Only
>> individual end users could hold membership, vote, etc.  Of course  
>> almost
>> everybody is an end user of some type of software, so the membership
>> would be quite "open".  I have been working to change the charter of  
>> LI
>> to reflect this.
>>
>> Recently I started another project, not a phone, but otherwise similar
>> in its needs to Openmoko.  This other project will have a community,  
>> be
>> completely "open", and needs an umbrella organization to help with  
>> legal
>> work, etc.  I intend on forming a sub-group of LI for this project.
>>
>> I could offer the same to Openmoko, to be a sub-group of LI.
>>
>> Linux International is already a legal entity.  We are a
>> "not-for-profit" in the state of New Hampshire, U.S.A.  There are
>> reasons why LI is a "not-for-profit" instead of a non-profit (501c3 or
>> 501c6) which have to do with ease of applying revenues, etc.  Nothing
>> stops LI from becoming a 501c6 (501c3 is very restrictive), and  
>> nothing
>> would stop the sub-group of Openmoko from becoming a non-profit, if  
>> that
>> is desired.
>>
>> Likewise the plans for LI are to have country chapters, with separate
>> boards for each country chapter.  This was planned way before the
>> current issue with Openmoko, but you could take advantage of the  
>> planned
>> structure if you wish.
>>
>> LI would solicit sponsorships to help fund its work which could come
>> from companies, but again the voting membership would be from
>> individuals only.  The things that LI does would be "Open" to all.  We
>> do plan on having some things we charge for, to cover costs.
>>
>> If the Openmoko community is interested in pursuing this, I would be
>> happy to discuss LI's plans further with you, and how Openmoko could  
>> fit
>> into this.
>>
>> Warmest regards,
>>
>> Jon "maddog" Hall
>> -- 
>> Jon "maddog" Hall
>> Executive Director           Linux International(R)
>> email: maddog at li.org         80 Amherst St.
>> Voice: +1.603.672.4557       Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A.
>> Cell:  +1.603.943.6666       WWW: http://www.li.org
>>
>> Board Member: Uniforum Association
>> Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006)
>>
>> (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several
>> countries.
>> (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used
>> pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor  
>> of
>> Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis
>> (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and  
>> other
>> countries.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
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From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 06:05:09 2009
From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:05:09 -0700
Subject: How to get started with Openmoko phone?
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it is exciting, but for a bit you will be very confused. i know i was. next
step for you if you dont already have it is setup a machine with linux. that
is a 100% must have. make sure you get a beefy mini sd card too!

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Mike <mikeumo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Rene --
>
> I just ordered the freerunner -- very exciting!
>
> Mike.
>
> On Sunday 07 June 2009 19:27:46 Rene Horn wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Damian Spriggs
> <damianspriggs at mac.com>wrote:
> > > 1) Is there any particular kind of wireless carrier (in US) I need to
> > > subscribe to?
> > >
> > > Any that use a SIM card. So AT&T or T-Mobile. (I use AT&T just fine)
> >
> > Slightly off.  It also needs to be a GSM network.  Right now, that's only
> > AT&T & T-Mobile for the US.
> >
> > > 2) Do I need to tell the carrier that I shall be using a linux-based
> > > phone?
> > >
> > >
> > > Nope. It's a good idea not to tell them. There is nothing that they
> need
> > > to do other than give you service.
> >
> > Neither AT&T nor T-Mobile care.  You can ask them for just the SIM card.
>  I
> > did.
> >
> > > 3) Can I use Nextel or ATT and T-mobile are my only national carrier
> > > options?
> > >
> > > Not 100% sure, but I don't think Nextel phones use SIMs. I may be wrong
> > > though.
> >
> > Yes they do, but they don't do GSM.
> >
> > > 4) How do I get a SIM card for the phone?
> > >
> > > When you sign up for service, they will give you one, usually in a free
> > > phone. All you need to do is pull the SIM out of the phone and install
> it
> > > in the Freerunner
> >
> > No, just ask for a SIM card.  It's actually cheaper.
> >
> > > 5) Can I text (SMS) -- I intend on using Qtopia at the beginning?
> > >
> > > Yep, Texting works on all major distros
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 6) Can I sync addresses etc with my desktop?
> > >
> > > I haven't done it personally, but I've seen maillist threads describing
> > > the process.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have been using Sprint (CDMA) -- so I am quite unfamiliar with the
> GSM
> > > world
> > > (and a phone that does not come with the service) -- I would appreciate
> > > any
> > >
> > > (obvious) tips on how to get from buying the FreeRunner to making and
> > > receiving calls and text messages.
> > >
> > >
> > > Your best bet would be a good, thorough read through of the wiki[1].
> > > There is a plethora of introductory information. If you still have
> > > questions, try the friendly maillists or IRC channels.
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org
> > > ---
> > > Damian A. Spriggs
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Openmoko community mailing list
> > > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From higleylh at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 06:20:51 2009
From: higleylh at gmail.com (Lowell Higley)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 06:20:51 +0200
Subject: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
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On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:49 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez <
david at tuxbrain.com> wrote:

> ivvmm, frequency(in in the range we are talking about) is not the
> harming factor is power (Watts) and in both frequencies the power will
> be the same so as mentioned avobe the only harm you can recieve from a
> US version is rare case of lack of coverage in some rural zones of
> Europe.
>

I live in Kosovo... I don't know how you can get more rural than that. lol.



>
> LOL for the chicken sacrifice, a BBQ always helps!
>
> 2009/6/7 Lowell Higley <higleylh at gmail.com>:
> > On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:30 PM, ivvmm <unachievable at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote:
> >> > On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 20:37, ivvmm<unachievable at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> koolu.com wrongly sent North American variant of devices to our
> >> >> European
> >> >> country in a pack. So what we got now is that devices operate only on
> >> >> 1800MHz frequency. That's twice bigger than 900MHz.
> >> >
> >> > This is a joke, right? In Europe GSM frequencies are 900 and 1800MHz,
> >> > in USA 850 and 1900
> >> >
> >>
> >> Sorry. Wrongly typed that. It is written "GSM: 850/1800/1900" under the
> >> battery of my Frerunner.
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Openmoko community mailing list
> >> community at lists.openmoko.org
> >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >>
> >
> > I live in Europe (but from the US) and use the US variant of the phone...
> I
> > have absolutely no issues related to the frequency.  It works like a
> champ.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> David Reyes Samblas Martinez
> http://www.tuxbrain.com
> Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
> Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
> Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!
>
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> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From shanka.mns at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 06:44:23 2009
From: shanka.mns at gmail.com (Shashank Bharadwaj)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:14:23 +0530
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
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On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Radek Polak<psonek2 at seznam.cz> wrote:
> If you download avi from PC via the sharing option, then PC must have
> installed mencoder. The first attempt to download avi starts mencoder
> and next attempt after encoding is done downloads the avi.

Not sure this happened in my case.

> On phone you need glamo version of mplayer - this should be handled
> by installation scripts. If not then just delete /usr/bin/mplayer and
> qmplayer will download and install correct mplayer from my homepage
> when you attempt to play something.

Yes the script automatically downloaded and installed the mplayer.

Anyway, i don't have access to my phone right now, i'll go home and
test this and let you guys know.


-- 
Regards
Shashank
As our circle of knowledge expands, so does the circumference of
darkness surrounding it - Albert Einstein


From yoush at debian.org  Mon Jun  8 06:50:47 2009
From: yoush at debian.org (Nikita V. Youshchenko)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 08:50:47 +0400
Subject: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
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> I contacted Elaine Turner in our sales department about this, and she
> told me that the only issue she had ever known about was a person who
> ordered the units to be delivered to the United States as 850/1800/1900
> phones, and then had the units shipped to Europe.
>
> When they contacted us to complain that they were not 900/1800/1900, she
> showed them the order form where they had specified 850/1800/1900.
>
> If this is not the case with your order, and if Koolu made a mistake
> with the order, please send email to sales at koolu.com and I am sure that
> Elaine will straighten it out.
>
> Otherwise you should have said "I wrongly ordered the North American
> variant..."
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> maddog


I've suffered from this as well.

In fact, when a group purchaseof 45 phones was organized by russian 
enthusiasts about a year ago, about half of phones arrived have been 
850/1800/1900 and not 900/1800/1900 as they should.

This was caused by mistake by pregrad.net service we used, not by our side.
But due to quite hard import process (it lasted for months), it was next to 
impossible to recover :(.

My Freerunner has GSM working in Moscow, but not 60 km from Moscow.
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From jeremy.mcnaughton at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 06:58:31 2009
From: jeremy.mcnaughton at gmail.com (Jeremy McNaughton)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 00:58:31 -0400
Subject: Freerunner's Future
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On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 1:49 PM, swap38<swap38 at openmoko-fr.org> wrote:
>
> good news :-)
>
> Like jeremy I'm not enough skilled to contribute in code and I'm
> probably less skilled than him in management.
> But I want to help as much as I can.
>
> There's 2 solutions for a foundation :
> 1 - create a brand new Openmoko foundation
> 2 - join an a foundation that already exists an create a sub-group
>
> The solution 2 is easier to start (and can be moved in solution 1 later).
> We can ask to :
> - Linux International (see this mail from maddog :
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/049177.html)
> - Mozilla (they planned to build a mozilla phone :
> http://mozphone.com/about/)
> - LiMo ? (www.limofoundation.org)
> - other ?
>
> My 2 cents
>
> Swap38
>

These are good suggestions (though I don't know about LiMo, not really
a community organization).

After thinking about it for a bit, I don't know if we really need to
find an umbrella organization right away.  It seems that for now
Openmoko is still willing to foot the bills for hosting infrastructure
and helping out in other small ways.  That's basically what an
umbrella or incubator would be doing for us anyways.  Maybe I'm
mistaken, but it doesn't seem like Openmoko Inc. has any sort of
urgency to hand the phone over to another incorporated body.  If I'm
wrong about that then maybe we should take up Jon's offer with Linux
International.  But if there's no rush, let's take our time to look at
all the options.

After all, transitions like this one are difficult and resource
consuming.  We should try to go through as few organizational
transformations as possible.

There are some other questions that I think we need to talk about for
a foundation:

Name:  Openmoko Inc. has been kind enough to allow the community to
use its branding and trademarks.  Would that include allowing us to
use "Openmoko" in the name of the foundation?  There are obvious
advantages to keeping the same branding, but that could become
confusing.  Steve said "Postmoko" above.  Freerunner Foundation?  Or
maybe even a name that could include other phones?

Scope:   What will our mission statement be?  Is the foundation just
to support the gta02-core project, or will it also
supervise/contribute to/support  Paroli, OM2009, FSO etc?  Does the
foundation attempt to finance a future phone, does it work mostly on
software, does focus on porting "real" Linux to all the Android phones
that will be on the market?

Location:  The Openmoko community is international, so where do we
want the foundation to be headquartered?  It might make the most sense
to put the foundation where there are the most members.  Different
countries have different rules and categories for non-profits, are
there places we should avoid or that may be advantageous?   Are we
safer in a country that does not recognize software patents?

As for Jon's offer, maybe an LI sub-group for Openmoko end users could
exist in parallel to the foundation.  The foundation could still also
be open to end users in this scenario.  This could work well if the
two groups have different mission statements.

There are a lot of options to consider.  It's important that we choose
carefully to ensure a productive future for our community.

Before we're ready to start a foundation, there are some things that
we can sort out during our incubation period.  I've only just started
reading the gta02-core list and haven't been on IRC at all yet so I
don't know... maybe some of these things are already started on:

Decision making process:   I think that a clear, accessible process
for making decisions is best.  We need a balanced process that is fair
to those doing the hard work and to end users.  We also need to avoid
deadlocks and conflicts.

Paroli and OM2009:   Do these projects need new leaders?

Online resources:   who will handle admin tasks on the *.openmoko.org?
  Do we need a team for that?


From wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca  Mon Jun  8 07:04:54 2009
From: wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca (Warren Baird)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 01:04:54 -0400
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.22
In-Reply-To: <1244260838838-3034171.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1243250505215-2969146.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<d3e504410905270814w661bf65bgdf7b2b55959ae3b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00905271009u4102f924te1c91199198443fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1243491593948-2985771.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00906020733j1d230f9n9699f8293727cf1a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244007049734-3016483.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<65c86d230906030244n673a1712nf079ab3ff2fb295@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244086797401-3022613.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<dae089cf0906050923l200d49cfr6884d14e35bad41d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244260838838-3034171.post@n2.nabble.com>
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The new scroll bar is better - although I still think I prefer the drop-down
approach.

BTW - I've created my packages with some wallpaper images - they are on
opkg.com as http://www.opkg.org/package_230.html and
http://www.opkg.org/package_231.html (one with 'G' rated images, the other a
bit more PG).  I install all of the images into /usr/share/wallpapers -
maybe you want to make that the default dir for wallpapers?

Also, you don't seem to save the directory that the user browses to when
picking wallpapers - if you want to try out several different images, it's
kinda annoying.

Warren


On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 12:00 AM, c_c <cchandel at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Cameron Frazier wrote:
> >
> >>in c (derived from [1], look at the bottom):
> >>elm_scroller_bounce_set(self.obj, h_bounce, v_bounce)
> >
>  Thanks. That helped. I needed to update my elementary libs on the laptop
> too. So here's the latest version - without the bouncing - and yes it's a
> lot simpler to use.
>
> http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3034171/launcher_0.22_arm.ipk
> launcher_0.22_arm.ipk
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha%29-Release-0.21-tp2969146p3034171.html
> Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mikeumo at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 07:35:53 2009
From: mikeumo at gmail.com (Mike)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 00:35:53 -0500
Subject: How to get started with Openmoko phone?
In-Reply-To: <f8d5d4f30906072105h24095b86j260655da8da23a37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200906062138.29427.mikeumo@gmail.com>
	<200906071957.09962.mikeumo@gmail.com>
	<f8d5d4f30906072105h24095b86j260655da8da23a37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200906080035.53732.mikeumo@gmail.com>

No problem, Jeremy --

I have been using Linux on my desktop (Mandrake/Mandriva) for 10 years now. 
Thanks for the tip about the SD card! I'll read the wiki and ask here what I 
still can't understand.

Thanks!


On Sunday 07 June 2009 23:05:09 jeremy jozwik wrote:
> it is exciting, but for a bit you will be very confused. i know i was. next
> step for you if you dont already have it is setup a machine with linux.
> that is a 100% must have. make sure you get a beefy mini sd card too!
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Mike <mikeumo at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks, Rene --
> >
> > I just ordered the freerunner -- very exciting!
> >
> > Mike.
> >




From chris at csamuel.org  Mon Jun  8 08:05:15 2009
From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 16:05:15 +1000
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <200906081126.05053.chris@csamuel.org>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<e7c8b9730906070811o5df1f008n7cf186d4e320966c@mail.gmail.com>
	<200906081126.05053.chris@csamuel.org>
Message-ID: <200906081605.20040.chris@csamuel.org>

On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:26:01 am Chris Samuel wrote:

> I can confirm that GPS worked on Qtopia and QtE for me, haven't tried it
> under QtMoko yet.

I can confirm the Mapping Demo program works for me in QtMoko with the 
2.6.24mw-g291a9d50 kernel (uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin and 
associated modules).

cheers,
Chris
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From lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net  Mon Jun  8 08:06:46 2009
From: lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net (Ben Wong)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 23:06:46 -0700
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In-Reply-To: <267bb6670906070728n5e7344ecj69cf3e42798b7cbb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0906051519350.30176@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu>
	<267bb6670906052328p65deaab7mafa01c811421e21d@mail.gmail.com>
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> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 12:52 AM, a dehqan<dehqan65 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks alot for your attentions ;
>> So there is a persian layer yes ?so is not possible to change layer in
>> another way except input methode suchlike a command or a script ?
> I'll be thankfull if anyone answer the above question ?
> and 2- Is arabic ready and complete ?

Yes, the Arabic keyboard layout works, but you have to install a
package like so:

  opkg install http://www.opkg.org/packages/illume-keyboards-arabic_0.1_armv4t.ipk

However, when writing an SMS the letters don't connect with each other
(as is standard with the Arabic alphabet).  This might just be a
problem with the way my Freerunner displays fonts.  The SMS you send
will probably look fine on your friend's telephone.

There is a Persian keyboard layout listed at:

  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume

but the link is broken.  Hopefully someone else on this mailing list
will know where it can be found.

--Ben


From fabiolocati at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 09:00:50 2009
From: fabiolocati at gmail.com (Fabio Locati)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:00:50 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <200906081605.20040.chris@csamuel.org>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<e7c8b9730906070811o5df1f008n7cf186d4e320966c@mail.gmail.com>
	<200906081126.05053.chris@csamuel.org>
	<200906081605.20040.chris@csamuel.org>
Message-ID: <3d9482340906080000j9dd2d00w87a36dffcfebf412@mail.gmail.com>

Than, maybe, the GPS is connected to the kernel rather then to Qtmoko

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Chris Samuel<chris at csamuel.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:26:01 am Chris Samuel wrote:
>
>> I can confirm that GPS worked on Qtopia and QtE for me, haven't tried it
>> under QtMoko yet.
>
> I can confirm the Mapping Demo program works for me in QtMoko with the
> 2.6.24mw-g291a9d50 kernel (uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin and
> associated modules).
>
> cheers,
> Chris
> --
> ?Chris Samuel ?: ?http://www.csamuel.org/ ?: ?Melbourne, VIC
>
> This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic.
> For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP
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>
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From liedekef at telenet.be  Mon Jun  8 09:23:41 2009
From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:23:41 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <200906081605.20040.chris@csamuel.org>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<e7c8b9730906070811o5df1f008n7cf186d4e320966c@mail.gmail.com>
	<200906081126.05053.chris@csamuel.org>
	<200906081605.20040.chris@csamuel.org>
Message-ID: <60567dcc0906080023g74440870t2f3f0f67d72c8876@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Chris Samuel<chris at csamuel.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:26:01 am Chris Samuel wrote:
>
>> I can confirm that GPS worked on Qtopia and QtE for me, haven't tried it
>> under QtMoko yet.
>
> I can confirm the Mapping Demo program works for me in QtMoko with the
> 2.6.24mw-g291a9d50 kernel (uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin and
> associated modules).
>
> cheers,
> Chris

Hi Chris,

if this is true, then there's probably a kernel module issue in 2.6.28
with QtMoko.
This needs to be tested then.
But again: I never managed to get a fix with any distro, so I don't
think it will be possible for me to do testing at all, but when I get
back from holidays I'll try to spend some time on this issue.

Franky


From dehqan65 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 09:53:32 2009
From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (a dehqan)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:23:32 +0430
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In-Reply-To: <47e8c68d0906072306qc3089bdwbe58225c32b22c7b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0906051519350.30176@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu>
	<267bb6670906052328p65deaab7mafa01c811421e21d@mail.gmail.com>
	<47e8c68d0906060129t2178edbfk379f0f3225b73891@mail.gmail.com>
	<267bb6670906061322i557e89ds325a75c8e60f321e@mail.gmail.com>
	<267bb6670906070728n5e7344ecj69cf3e42798b7cbb@mail.gmail.com>
	<47e8c68d0906072306qc3089bdwbe58225c32b22c7b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <267bb6670906080053w71749670jbcdf8a32f87327e8@mail.gmail.com>

In The Name Of God

Thanks alot for your attention ;
Would you send a farsi sms to me ? to this number 00989131561030 .
To know if sms will look fine here or not .

Regards dehqan


On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Ben Wong<lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 12:52 AM, a dehqan<dehqan65 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks alot for your attentions ;
>>> So there is a persian layer yes ?so is not possible to change layer in
>>> another way except input methode suchlike a command or a script ?
>> I'll be thankfull if anyone answer the above question ?
>> and 2- Is arabic ready and complete ?
>
> Yes, the Arabic keyboard layout works, but you have to install a
> package like so:
>
> ?opkg install http://www.opkg.org/packages/illume-keyboards-arabic_0.1_armv4t.ipk
>
> However, when writing an SMS the letters don't connect with each other
> (as is standard with the Arabic alphabet). ?This might just be a
> problem with the way my Freerunner displays fonts. ?The SMS you send
> will probably look fine on your friend's telephone.
>
> There is a Persian keyboard layout listed at:
>
> ?http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume
>
> but the link is broken. ?Hopefully someone else on this mailing list
> will know where it can be found.
>
> --Ben
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From djdas at djdas.net  Mon Jun  8 10:05:40 2009
From: djdas at djdas.net (DJDAS)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:05:40 +0200
Subject: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
In-Reply-To: <1244423693647-3040934.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <26fea52c0906070750h146149d1la5e690ef9466bad@mail.gmail.com>	<1244395340764-3039249.post@n2.nabble.com>	<26fea52c0906071058l39a67f3t7580ddb6fe7104a2@mail.gmail.com>	<ffce06340906071157l479b2866oc5a769f978277962@mail.gmail.com>	<1244420837178-3040845.post@n2.nabble.com>	<ffce06340906071807j60c53dd0t852b2138879fe00b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244423693647-3040934.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A2CC654.9080005@djdas.net>

c_c ha scritto:
> Hi,
>
> The Digital Pioneer wrote:
>   
>>> AFAIK, the only way to do it is to run mplayer with -ao
>>> alsa:device=bluetooth
>>>       
>   Ok. But what would be the best of doing so from intone :-
>
>  1. I stop the current process from Intone
>  2. Start new process with the -ao flag
>
>   Or
>
>  I can have 2 configurations in a file (normal / bluetooth) - I 
> think .asoundrc and change output from intone somehow using
> that.
>
>  I'm not all that clued up on alsa - so can someone with more knowledge
> than I throw some light?   
>   
It's very simple: you have to pair to the device and create a .asoundrc 
file in $HOME.
You can see a sample of it in the bluethooth.py module of BlueMoko[1] 
(look at the function connect_A2DP() )
After this the bluetooth headset will become the default alsa device so 
you won't need to change any configuration in mplayer but just start a 
new mplayer process which will play through the headset.
To reset the alsa output simply remove the .asoundrc and disconnect from 
the headset.
Bye!


[1] http://bluemoko.projects.openmoko.org/


From chris at csamuel.org  Mon Jun  8 10:13:28 2009
From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 18:13:28 +1000
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <60567dcc0906080023g74440870t2f3f0f67d72c8876@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<200906081605.20040.chris@csamuel.org>
	<60567dcc0906080023g74440870t2f3f0f67d72c8876@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200906081813.32049.chris@csamuel.org>

On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 05:23:41 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:

> Hi Chris,

Hiya,

> if this is true, then there's probably a kernel module issue in 2.6.28
> with QtMoko. This needs to be tested then.

Could well be!  I did have TangoGPS working with OM2009 TR4 too (using their 
supplied 2.6.29-rc2 kernel, which has the wrong filename, claims to be 
2.6.28!).

> But again: I never managed to get a fix with any distro, so I don't
> think it will be possible for me to do testing at all, but when I get
> back from holidays I'll try to spend some time on this issue.

No worries, if there's anything I can do to help then please let me know!  I 
suppose it could also be a hardware issue on your phone too.. :-(

cheers,
Chris
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From lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net  Mon Jun  8 10:55:35 2009
From: lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net (Ben Wong)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 01:55:35 -0700
Subject: How to get started with Openmoko phone?
In-Reply-To: <200906071957.09962.mikeumo@gmail.com>
References: <200906062138.29427.mikeumo@gmail.com>
	<63F4EC75-E4C5-4891-99CE-F1DB84A287DE@mac.com>
	<b8e8c9290906071727t5d80dbc4u152ace162361cf24@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Mike<mikeumo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Rene --
>
> I just ordered the freerunner -- very exciting!

  Excellent.  You may want to check the GSM firmware version when you
get it.  I received my phone recently and it had an old firmware on it
(version 8 instead of 11, I think).  The phone mostly worked, but I
couldn't do GPRS until I flashed the GSM firmware.

Here's the page for how to update it:

  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing

Note that, although the web page describes the procedure as a
lobotomy, it's not nearly so scary, even using the step-by-step
method, which I did.  Even easier, there's a microSD image you can
download that automates the procedure for you.

  By the way, the advice to just buy a SIM card instead of a whole
plan is the right one.  That way you won't be locked into a year long
contract.  I'm using T-mobile and it works great; data is unlimited
and the price is fair.  I've heard T-mobile's coverage is not as good
as AT&T's in the US, but it hasn't been a problem for me.  My only
complaint is that ping times are often over 1000ms, and I'm not even
sure that that's T-mobile's fault.

--Ben


From risto at kurppa.fi  Mon Jun  8 11:25:10 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:25:10 +0300
Subject: Paroli introduction video
In-Reply-To: <1ae168930906070411h36b82246s8277f255badfac03@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c4cd0cc80906060715h70965248r9ae448c78dd54a61@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244325021.14789.1.camel@detructor15-desktop>
	<5c6ceea80906061534r1ff0cc2fv3e7c046ff73c7c90@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ae168930906070411h36b82246s8277f255badfac03@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d3e504410906080225h26e006brf33ce7f15a58e08e@mail.gmail.com>

Well done Laszlo!

It's great :) It shows the most important things one needs to know
about Paroli. I agree that the camera could be more steady and the
picture sharper but it's a nice start, thanks!!



r

-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net  Mon Jun  8 11:35:16 2009
From: lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net (Ben Wong)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 02:35:16 -0700
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In-Reply-To: <267bb6670906080053w71749670jbcdf8a32f87327e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0906051519350.30176@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu>
	<267bb6670906052328p65deaab7mafa01c811421e21d@mail.gmail.com>
	<47e8c68d0906060129t2178edbfk379f0f3225b73891@mail.gmail.com>
	<267bb6670906061322i557e89ds325a75c8e60f321e@mail.gmail.com>
	<267bb6670906070728n5e7344ecj69cf3e42798b7cbb@mail.gmail.com>
	<47e8c68d0906072306qc3089bdwbe58225c32b22c7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<267bb6670906080053w71749670jbcdf8a32f87327e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47e8c68d0906080235v45a7c5c1gcb0ef3ea5ac28bc6@mail.gmail.com>

> Thanks alot for your attention ;
> Would you send a farsi sms to me ? to this number 00989131561030 .
> To know if sms will look fine here or not .

Okay, I've sent you an SMS.  However, I don't know if my carrier
(T-mobile) allows me to send SMS outside of the United States.  Please
let us know if you receive the message and if it looks okay.

Thanks,

--Ben


From openmitko at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 11:50:11 2009
From: openmitko at gmail.com (OpenMitko)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:50:11 +0300
Subject: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
In-Reply-To: <4A2CC654.9080005@djdas.net>
References: <26fea52c0906070750h146149d1la5e690ef9466bad@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244395340764-3039249.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<26fea52c0906071058l39a67f3t7580ddb6fe7104a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<ffce06340906071157l479b2866oc5a769f978277962@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244420837178-3040845.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<ffce06340906071807j60c53dd0t852b2138879fe00b@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4A2CC654.9080005@djdas.net>
Message-ID: <65c86d230906080250j74a6bdf0te3a651dedaa64d9b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi to all,

Sorry if this is out of topic.

I want to ask those of you who already use a2dp, how is the sound quality? I
tried to use my Neo as media player wit wired headsets, but it was almost a
disaster, intone is great but the sound quality is bad. Not only the lack of
bass ?

I was looking for solution but still can?t find something suitable. I was
wondering if Bluetooth headsets offer better quality.
Regards,
Mitko
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From djdas at djdas.net  Mon Jun  8 12:01:56 2009
From: djdas at djdas.net (DJDAS)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:01:56 +0200
Subject: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
In-Reply-To: <65c86d230906080250j74a6bdf0te3a651dedaa64d9b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26fea52c0906070750h146149d1la5e690ef9466bad@mail.gmail.com>	<1244395340764-3039249.post@n2.nabble.com>	<26fea52c0906071058l39a67f3t7580ddb6fe7104a2@mail.gmail.com>	<ffce06340906071157l479b2866oc5a769f978277962@mail.gmail.com>	<1244420837178-3040845.post@n2.nabble.com>	<ffce06340906071807j60c53dd0t852b2138879fe00b@mail.gmail.com>	<1244423693647-3040934.post@n2.nabble.com>	<4A2CC654.9080005@djdas.net>
	<65c86d230906080250j74a6bdf0te3a651dedaa64d9b@mail.gmail.com>
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OpenMitko ha scritto:
>
> Hi to all,
>
> Sorry if this is out of topic.
>
> I want to ask those of you who already use a2dp, how is the sound 
> quality? I tried to use my Neo as media player wit wired headsets, but 
> it was almost a disaster, intone is great but the sound quality is 
> bad. Not only the lack of bass ?
>
> I was looking for solution but still can?t find something suitable. I 
> was wondering if Bluetooth headsets offer better quality.  
>
> Regards,
> Mitko
>
>   

Hi,
to me it's very good, I use a Calypso headset and sound quality is 
great, I definitely recommend using a BT headset with A2DP for media 
playing.
Bye



From omega.xavier at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 12:04:18 2009
From: omega.xavier at gmail.com (Xavier Cremaschi)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:04:18 +0200
Subject: A5 buzzfixed : which alsa state file ?
Message-ID: <h0innk$ib1$1@ger.gmane.org>

Everything is in the title : should I keep my A5 files or use the A7 ones ?

Xavier.



From fercerpav at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 12:13:43 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:13:43 +0400
Subject: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..
In-Reply-To: <47e8c68d0906080235v45a7c5c1gcb0ef3ea5ac28bc6@mail.gmail.com>
	(Ben Wong's message of "Mon\, 8 Jun 2009 02\:35\:16 -0700")
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0906051519350.30176@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu>
	<267bb6670906052328p65deaab7mafa01c811421e21d@mail.gmail.com>
	<47e8c68d0906060129t2178edbfk379f0f3225b73891@mail.gmail.com>
	<267bb6670906061322i557e89ds325a75c8e60f321e@mail.gmail.com>
	<267bb6670906070728n5e7344ecj69cf3e42798b7cbb@mail.gmail.com>
	<47e8c68d0906072306qc3089bdwbe58225c32b22c7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<267bb6670906080053w71749670jbcdf8a32f87327e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<47e8c68d0906080235v45a7c5c1gcb0ef3ea5ac28bc6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m263f7hw2w.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

Ben Wong <lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net> writes:
>> Thanks alot for your attention ;
>> Would you send a farsi sms to me ? to this number 00989131561030 .
>> To know if sms will look fine here or not .
>
> Okay, I've sent you an SMS.  However, I don't know if my carrier
> (T-mobile) allows me to send SMS outside of the United States.  Please
> let us know if you receive the message and if it looks okay.

FYI that phone number should have been specified as +989131561030 (the
only "proper" so-called "international" format).

-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com


From ranma+openmoko at tdiedrich.de  Mon Jun  8 12:22:08 2009
From: ranma+openmoko at tdiedrich.de (Tobias Diedrich)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:22:08 +0200
Subject: Power dongle
In-Reply-To: <op.uu57d2ue41evsb@eeeginguppin>
References: <ffce06340906071244l32b3ca92h2ea04d9924ac35d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1e5d79990906071254y2863beeep8a14acd083620a60@mail.gmail.com>
	<ffce06340906071259o1f3dc10ckb6d327c7b3eb4036@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.uu57d2ue41evsb@eeeginguppin>
Message-ID: <20090608102208.GA9936@yamamaya.is-a-geek.org>

arne anka wrote:
> > Yeah, I'd kinda prefer one that's nigh unto infinitesimal and only lasts  
> > a
> > few seconds, but I'll search for emergency phone chargers.
> 
> afair, gsm still depends on battery and goes down the moment the battery  
> is down (or wawy, in your case) -- and after hotswapping it seems not  
> always to come back, according to a few reports.
> but it would be a nice addtion to the gta03-core design to include some  
> kind of emergency battery for that very purpose.

Shouldn't it be possible to reboot the GSM modem?
As described on the flashing page:

Power off the modem:
root at om-gta02:~# echo 0 >/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on
root at om-gta02:~# echo 1 >/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on
root at om-gta02:~# s3c24xx-gpio b7=0
root at om-gta02:~# stty 0:4:18b2:8a00:0:0:7f:15:4:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:12:f:17:16:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0 -F /dev/ttySAC0
root at om-gta02:~# stty 0:4:18b2:8a00:0:0:7f:15:4:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:12:f:17:16:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0 -F /dev/ttySAC0
root at om-gta02:~# echo -en "AT at POFF\r" >/dev/ttySAC0; sleep 1; echo -en "AT at POFF\r" >/dev/ttySAC0

Then power it on again:
root at om-gta02:~# s3c24xx-gpio b7=1

The framework should be able to detect a battery hotswap and just
force a modem reboot IMHO.
Even better maybe to say 'I want to swap the battery' and power off
the modem before removing the battery.

-- 
Tobias						PGP: http://9ac7e0bc.uguu.de


From mike at mikeasoft.com  Mon Jun  8 12:23:44 2009
From: mike at mikeasoft.com (Michael Sheldon)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:23:44 +0100
Subject: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
In-Reply-To: <4A2CC654.9080005@djdas.net>
References: <26fea52c0906070750h146149d1la5e690ef9466bad@mail.gmail.com>	<1244395340764-3039249.post@n2.nabble.com>	<26fea52c0906071058l39a67f3t7580ddb6fe7104a2@mail.gmail.com>	<ffce06340906071157l479b2866oc5a769f978277962@mail.gmail.com>	<1244420837178-3040845.post@n2.nabble.com>	<ffce06340906071807j60c53dd0t852b2138879fe00b@mail.gmail.com>	<1244423693647-3040934.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4A2CC654.9080005@djdas.net>
Message-ID: <4A2CE6B0.200@mikeasoft.com>

DJDAS wrote:
> It's very simple: you have to pair to the device and create a .asoundrc 
> file in $HOME.
> You can see a sample of it in the bluethooth.py module of BlueMoko[1] 
> (look at the function connect_A2DP() )
> After this the bluetooth headset will become the default alsa device so 
> you won't need to change any configuration in mplayer but just start a 
> new mplayer process which will play through the headset.
> To reset the alsa output simply remove the .asoundrc and disconnect from 
> the headset.
> Bye!

 Personally I don't think this should be implemented in intone, this
sort of system-wide activity should be handled by FSO (and I believe
there is work on-going towards this) and intone should just offer the
option to make use of an already configured bluetooth device if it exists.

 Also, IIRC, BlueMoko still uses bluez 3.3, while most images now use
bluez 4 by default. So if you went down that path you'd probably end up
having to support two different methods of pairing.

 Cheers,
  Mike.


From maddog at li.org  Mon Jun  8 12:24:19 2009
From: maddog at li.org (Jon 'maddog' Hall)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 06:24:19 -0400
Subject: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
In-Reply-To: <200906080850.54622@blacky.localdomain>
References: <4A2C08D3.2090403@gmail.com> <1244415848.6626.16.camel@shamet>
	<200906080850.54622@blacky.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1244456659.5806.27.camel@shamet>

Nikita,

>This was caused by mistake by pregrad.net service we used, not by our
>side. But due to quite hard import process (it lasted for months), it
>was next to impossible to recover :(.

I am sorry for your issue, but unless the mistake was caused by Koolu
itself, I do not know that Koolu can address it.

However, you might consider "trading" your FreeRunner with someone else
on the list.  People move, and someone who bought a FreeRunner in Europe
may have moved to the United States and would be willing to trade you to
get one that is 850.  If you are going to DebConf, this might be a good
place to do a "swap".

900s work fine in the USA (for the most part), but we have the same
issues as you do...."rural" areas tend to use 850.

md




From fercerpav at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 12:29:37 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:29:37 +0400
Subject: Rebooting GSM modem (was: Re: Power dongle)
In-Reply-To: <20090608102208.GA9936@yamamaya.is-a-geek.org> (Tobias Diedrich's
	message of "Mon\, 8 Jun 2009 12\:22\:08 +0200")
References: <ffce06340906071244l32b3ca92h2ea04d9924ac35d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1e5d79990906071254y2863beeep8a14acd083620a60@mail.gmail.com>
	<ffce06340906071259o1f3dc10ckb6d327c7b3eb4036@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.uu57d2ue41evsb@eeeginguppin>
	<20090608102208.GA9936@yamamaya.is-a-geek.org>
Message-ID: <m21vpvhvce.fsf_-_@home.pavel.comp>

Tobias Diedrich <ranma+openmoko at tdiedrich.de> writes:
> Shouldn't it be possible to reboot the GSM modem?
> As described on the flashing page:

It's perfectly possible, yes. I just close Zhone, then i can take out
the battery, change sim, then i place the battery back, start Zhone
and it just works. Same for other programs requesting GSM resource.

-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com


From maddog at li.org  Mon Jun  8 12:35:03 2009
From: maddog at li.org (Jon 'maddog' Hall)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 06:35:03 -0400
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <7e03858b0906072158o101d557br5196be93829ae0fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B2JmzhoVfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <4A296E13.3000601@openmoko>
	<4A29CDBB.30509@bshed.com>
	<7780e76c0906052001t3c433134l96315e4fe5c623f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090606102319.GJ4625@almesberger.net>
	<7e03858b0906062329i7182cc8wa5bfabbc952b541d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A2B75D4.1030706@openmoko.com> <4A2BFDBF.7050207@openmoko-fr.org>
	<7e03858b0906072158o101d557br5196be93829ae0fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1244457303.5806.39.camel@shamet>

Jeremy (et. al.),

>After thinking about it for a bit, I don't know if we really need to
>find an umbrella organization right away.

All good points, and some of them were ones I was going to point out
this morning, but you beat me to it.

Other points:

Any formal organization that I know of, even one under an "umbrella",
has to have some definition of "membership", "charter", "structure" and
"bylaws".

"Charter" could be "defining an open phone"

The definition of "membership" can be something as simple as "people on
this particular mailing list"

Bylaws state what people can and can not do, how many officers you have
(President, Secretary and Treasurer are the traditional ones), how they
are chosen (I almost said "elected", but that presumes things), and who
can chose them.

Do you have a board of directors?  Some foundations have a couple, with
one having fiscal and legal responsibilities, and the other may have
technical responsibilities.

I am modeling the new LI after a very old and successful organization
called "DECUS" (Digital Equipment Corporation User Society) as well as a
couple of other long-term successful organizations such as the
Automobile Association of America and the Association for the
Advancement of Retired People (yes, I know the last two are weird for
this group, but they have interesting models for "end users").

DECUS had country groups as well as many, many "Special Interest
Groups" (VMS, UNIX, Networking, Security, Hardware, etc.)  It was a
cross-matrix, so the Special Interest Groups could have members in many
countries.

But before you could form a "Special Interest Group" you had to have at
least:

o Four members
o Three officers (President, Secretary, Treasurer)
o "Charter" - what you were going to do

The bylaws were supplied (for the most part) by DECUS, the central
organization, which had its own President, Secretary and Treasurer

Digital "sponsored" DECUS, but did not run it.  It truly was an
organization of Digital's users.

So, I suggest that your group follow the path of trying to solve some
issues like "who belongs", "who speaks for the group" and "what do we
want to do".  You will need to solve these before either forming your
own organization or approaching another.

In the meantime, as you said, I see no *real* hurry to do either.  You
have some time.

Warmest regards,

maddog
-- 
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Executive Director           Linux International(R)
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Voice: +1.603.672.4557       Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A.
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countries.



From djdas at djdas.net  Mon Jun  8 12:35:26 2009
From: djdas at djdas.net (DJDAS)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:35:26 +0200
Subject: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
In-Reply-To: <4A2CE6B0.200@mikeasoft.com>
References: <26fea52c0906070750h146149d1la5e690ef9466bad@mail.gmail.com>	<1244395340764-3039249.post@n2.nabble.com>	<26fea52c0906071058l39a67f3t7580ddb6fe7104a2@mail.gmail.com>	<ffce06340906071157l479b2866oc5a769f978277962@mail.gmail.com>	<1244420837178-3040845.post@n2.nabble.com>	<ffce06340906071807j60c53dd0t852b2138879fe00b@mail.gmail.com>	<1244423693647-3040934.post@n2.nabble.com>	<4A2CC654.9080005@djdas.net>
	<4A2CE6B0.200@mikeasoft.com>
Message-ID: <4A2CE96E.80908@djdas.net>

Michael Sheldon ha scritto:
> DJDAS wrote:
>   
>> It's very simple: you have to pair to the device and create a .asoundrc 
>> file in $HOME.
>>     
>
>  Personally I don't think this should be implemented in intone, this
> sort of system-wide activity should be handled by FSO (and I believe
> there is work on-going towards this) and intone should just offer the
> option to make use of an already configured bluetooth device if it exists.
>   
I agree but as I hadn't the time to update BlueMoko to bluez4 and FSO, 
that was a suggestion to achieve A2DP output "after" pairing with other 
means (if FSO does the pairing with headset profiles you should have 
only to create the .asoundrc file waiting for a GUI ;) )

>  Also, IIRC, BlueMoko still uses bluez 3.3, while most images now use
> bluez 4 by default. So if you went down that path you'd probably end up
> having to support two different methods of pairing.
>
>   
A2DP is easier to use (didn't see bluez4 yet) than headset, because you 
just need to pair and configure the default main alsa device as the 
headset, while headset profiles need routing and configuring the 
secondary alsa device and I didn't find yet a clean way to do this, but 
as I mentioned I hadn't the time to look at bluez4 and newer kernels so 
maybe the situation became better in the meantime (I hope :P )
Bye!




From pammoko at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 12:38:14 2009
From: pammoko at gmail.com (tammaro "pamdirac" palombo)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:38:14 +0200
Subject: A5 buzzfixed : which alsa state file ?
In-Reply-To: <h0innk$ib1$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <h0innk$ib1$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1ae168930906080338x70b0ac4n158d59ce6f290f72@mail.gmail.com>

I think the a7 state

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Xavier Cremaschi <omega.xavier at gmail.com>wrote:

> Everything is in the title : should I keep my A5 files or use the A7 ones ?
>
> Xavier.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From martijntje at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 13:02:16 2009
From: martijntje at gmail.com (Martijn Otto)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:02:16 +0200
Subject: Debian/zhone: cannot start terminal on phone
Message-ID: <24bfdc690906080402p28fa2d92tae6416327ba33b6b@mail.gmail.com>

For some reason I can no longer open a terminal on my freerunner.
Normally I would do this by selecting Ctrl-Alt-x on the keyboard.

It stopped working after switching to Xglamo and running as a normal
user. Unfortunately, I did these switches at the same time, so I have
no idea which of the two might be related.

Does anyone have an idea what it could be, and more importantly, how
to fix this?

Martijn


From peter at familienijs.be  Mon Jun  8 13:40:38 2009
From: peter at familienijs.be (Peter Nijs)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:40:38 +0200
Subject: Fennec on TR4
In-Reply-To: <b66a83e00905252004s64190bc6l24d7c5884c24c92f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f7ed13a10905251849p1766f22fubf19dcdb8782a17@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00905252004s64190bc6l24d7c5884c24c92f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200906081340.47671.peter@familienijs.be>

Hey,

I've found more builds for arm here: 
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/ .

I just copied the content of the archives (I've tried b1rc2, b1rc3 and the 
nightly build from 7 june 2009) in /usr/lib/ over the original (from pkg) 
folder. But running fennec then gives me:

root at fry:/usr/lib# export DISPLAY=:0
root at fry:/usr/lib# ./fennec/fennec
./fennec/fennec: libstdc++.so.6: no version information available (required by 
./fennec/fennec)
Illegal instruction
root at fry:/usr/lib# 

Maybe someone knows how to work around that. I use Om2008.12 and with the 
original from pkg (Version: 1:0.9+1.0b2pre-r3) I also have the "illigal 
instruction' problem.

best regards,
depeje

On Tuesday 26 May 2009 05:04:31 Warren Baird wrote:
> Thanks Victor - but I really don't have the time right now to set up a dev
> environment to build stuff for the FR...   If there's a build of it
> somewhere I can grab and install, I'd happily test it...
>
> Warren
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Victor Tang <tangx5047 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > --
> > Hi Warren Baird,
> > Try a stable version.E.g.
> > tag=*FENNEC_B1<https://hg.mozilla.org/mobile-browser/rev/9aa835472fed> *
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > thanks,
> > Victor
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

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From pammoko at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 13:56:56 2009
From: pammoko at gmail.com (tammaro "pamdirac" palombo)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:56:56 +0200
Subject: A5 buzzfixed : which alsa state file ?
In-Reply-To: <1ae168930906080338x70b0ac4n158d59ce6f290f72@mail.gmail.com>
References: <h0innk$ib1$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<1ae168930906080338x70b0ac4n158d59ce6f290f72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ae168930906080456p70e61ba6u1a4dd7664bb23ff0@mail.gmail.com>

look this page

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#Poor_Audio_Quality_.28FIXED.29

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:38 PM, tammaro "pamdirac" palombo <
pammoko at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think the a7 state
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Xavier Cremaschi <omega.xavier at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Everything is in the title : should I keep my A5 files or use the A7 ones
>> ?
>>
>> Xavier.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
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From dscaini at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 14:03:53 2009
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 14:03:53 +0200
Subject: Debian/zhone: cannot start terminal on phone
In-Reply-To: <24bfdc690906080402p28fa2d92tae6416327ba33b6b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <24bfdc690906080402p28fa2d92tae6416327ba33b6b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18db98c80906080503m40a321b6p19b49b64fc547086@mail.gmail.com>

stupid question: do you have set this shortcut on illume keyboard shortcuts?
d

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Martijn Otto <martijntje at gmail.com> wrote:

> For some reason I can no longer open a terminal on my freerunner.
> Normally I would do this by selecting Ctrl-Alt-x on the keyboard.
>
> It stopped working after switching to Xglamo and running as a normal
> user. Unfortunately, I did these switches at the same time, so I have
> no idea which of the two might be related.
>
> Does anyone have an idea what it could be, and more importantly, how
> to fix this?
>
> Martijn
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
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From fr-om at tourde.org  Mon Jun  8 14:33:05 2009
From: fr-om at tourde.org (=?utf-8?Q?Fran=C3=A7ois?= TOURDE)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:33:05 +0200
Subject: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
In-Reply-To: <e8b0b2470906072120g524dbe16t9849e36bd81feb14@mail.gmail.com>
	(Lowell Higley's message of "Mon\, 8 Jun 2009 06\:20\:51 +0200")
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Le 14403i?me jour apr?s Epoch,
Lowell Higley ?crivait:

> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:49 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez <
> david at tuxbrain.com> wrote:
>
>> ivvmm, frequency(in in the range we are talking about) is not the
>> harming factor is power (Watts) and in both frequencies the power will
>> be the same so as mentioned avobe the only harm you can recieve from a
>> US version is rare case of lack of coverage in some rural zones of
>> Europe.
>>
>
> I live in Kosovo... I don't know how you can get more rural than
> that. lol.

I've started using my FreeRunner here:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.8721&lon=0.9558&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF

Zoom out, and check the "rurality" of the zone ;)

>> LOL for the chicken sacrifice, a BBQ always helps!

Argh, a chicken... I've read a children... Oops... What a
mistake... Whatever, It doesn't work. :P


From martijntje at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 14:50:50 2009
From: martijntje at gmail.com (Martijn Otto)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 14:50:50 +0200
Subject: Debian/zhone: cannot start terminal on phone
In-Reply-To: <18db98c80906080503m40a321b6p19b49b64fc547086@mail.gmail.com>
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I have not done that, I don't even run Illume ;)

This is something that works in the default install of debian (zhone
with trayer) and now suddenly stopped working.

2009/6/8 Davide Scaini <dscaini at gmail.com>:
> stupid question: do you have set this shortcut on illume keyboard shortcuts?
> d
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Martijn Otto <martijntje at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> For some reason I can no longer open a terminal on my freerunner.
>> Normally I would do this by selecting Ctrl-Alt-x on the keyboard.
>>
>> It stopped working after switching to Xglamo and running as a normal
>> user. Unfortunately, I did these switches at the same time, so I have
>> no idea which of the two might be related.
>>
>> Does anyone have an idea what it could be, and more importantly, how
>> to fix this?
>>
>> Martijn
>>
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From digitalpioneer at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 14:53:43 2009
From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 07:53:43 -0500
Subject: Power dongle
In-Reply-To: <20090608102208.GA9936@yamamaya.is-a-geek.org>
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Yeah, I would like a quick and easy app to hotswap. I currently shut down
the modem from SHR Settings, and then swap and turn it back on. But an icon
on the desktop that shuts it down, waits 15 seconds, then turns it on again
would be great. Or maybe an actual GUI to manually turn it on or off.
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From nicola.mfb at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 15:12:55 2009
From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 15:12:55 +0200
Subject: Accelges status
Message-ID: <359c5480906080612o7ceeafc5n3ce51cb0568a5afe@mail.gmail.com>

Hi! until now I played with accelerometers only with mokomaze, now
it's the time to integrate gesture recognition in a my small
application. So I'd like to know the status of accelges
(www.accelsense.org).
I read in the past that there was REL->ABS event transition and as
accelges seems to have the last commit about 4/5 months ago I'd like
to know if it's actually compatible with recent kernels and in general
if it's developed/supported.
If not may you point me to some alternatives?

Thanks

    Nicola


From werner at openmoko.org  Mon Jun  8 15:19:32 2009
From: werner at openmoko.org (Werner Almesberger)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:19:32 -0300
Subject: Paroli introduction video
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Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> http://www.vimeo.com/5029019

Lovely retro style. Bleeding-edge technology meets the silent
movie. Finally, there's a worthy successor for "Metropolis" :-)

Someone should make a piano track for it.

- Werner


From risto at kurppa.fi  Mon Jun  8 15:31:55 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 16:31:55 +0300
Subject: Mokomapper.py: Script for easy OSM mapping on the road: mokomapper.py
Message-ID: <d3e504410906080631y18eab839u124c32d872e078b1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there!

There was a discussion about easy openstreetmap mapping with
Freerunner on the road.

I found mokomapper
(http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?view=markup)
some months ago (=I didn't write it, but pavel (CC'd this mail to him)
and mentioned it in the thread. Someone requested some screenshots so
here you are: http://kurppa.fi/freerunner/mokomapper/ The readme file
also has some output log of the script. I think the output is not in
valid OSM format because of the broken GPS connection (maybe, I don't
know..).

I don't know how to use the app or how to import the stuff to OSM but
to me it looks like it really is going to the right direction. It
allows you easily to pinpoint road to left, road to right, different
types of roads, crossroads etc etc and I'd think you could add some
more items there quite easily since it's a simple python script..

So if there's anyone with some python skills, it'd be great to give
some love to this script so we all could easily do OSM mapping with
only FR around.

To use:
wget http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?revision=1.4
-O mokomapper.py
chmod 755 mokomapper.py
DISPLAY=:0 ./mokomapper.py

Enjoy your freedom!

r

-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From risto at kurppa.fi  Mon Jun  8 15:35:45 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 16:35:45 +0300
Subject: Mokomapper.py: Script for easy OSM mapping on the road: 
	mokomapper.py
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Message-ID: <d3e504410906080635j7d068646s292ff84731b5b62e@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, sending again to get pavel's e-mail address right this time..

Hi there!

There was a discussion about easy openstreetmap mapping with
Freerunner on the road.

I found mokomapper
(http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?view=markup)
some months ago (=I didn't write it, Pavel did (CC'd this mail to him))
and mentioned it in the thread. Someone requested some screenshots so
here you are: http://kurppa.fi/freerunner/mokomapper/ The readme file
also has some output log of the script. I think the output is not in
valid OSM format because of the broken GPS connection (maybe, I don't
know..).

I don't know how to use the app or how to import the stuff to OSM but
to me it looks like it really is going to the right direction. It
allows you easily to pinpoint road to left, road to right, different
types of roads, crossroads etc etc and I'd think you could add some
more items there quite easily since it's a simple python script..

So if there's anyone with some python skills, it'd be great to give
some love to this script so we all could easily do OSM mapping with
only FR around.

To use:
wget http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?revision=1.4
-O mokomapper.py
chmod 755 mokomapper.py
DISPLAY=:0 ./mokomapper.py

Enjoy your freedom!

r

--
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi



-- 
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| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From kimaidou at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 15:53:36 2009
From: kimaidou at gmail.com (kimaidou)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 15:53:36 +0200
Subject: Mokomapper.py: Script for easy OSM mapping on the road: 
	mokomapper.py
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410906080635j7d068646s292ff84731b5b62e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e504410906080631y18eab839u124c32d872e078b1@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3e504410906080635j7d068646s292ff84731b5b62e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40cd9ce40906080653p1e2ac598m8f7321c3741ff21d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi !
First thanks to pavel and to you Risto for bringing this up !

Some ideas: we should create a wiki page for this, to gather all the ideas
given here.
My fist impression :
* we need some icons for each button to help finding the things
* I think it is a good start, but why not ask for any osm mapper and try to
redefine all the hierarchy. I think for this a tool as freemind is the best
: easy and quick. I am not saying the hierarchy used is wrong, but I think
we should take the chance to have a discussion on it while trying it

Ok, here the wiki page I created :
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokomapper

Let's talk and improve it :D

Kimaidou

2009/6/8 Risto H. Kurppa <risto at kurppa.fi>

> Ok, sending again to get pavel's e-mail address right this time..
>
> Hi there!
>
> There was a discussion about easy openstreetmap mapping with
> Freerunner on the road.
>
> I found mokomapper
> (http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?view=markup)
> some months ago (=I didn't write it, Pavel did (CC'd this mail to him))
> and mentioned it in the thread. Someone requested some screenshots so
> here you are: http://kurppa.fi/freerunner/mokomapper/ The readme file
> also has some output log of the script. I think the output is not in
> valid OSM format because of the broken GPS connection (maybe, I don't
> know..).
>
> I don't know how to use the app or how to import the stuff to OSM but
> to me it looks like it really is going to the right direction. It
> allows you easily to pinpoint road to left, road to right, different
> types of roads, crossroads etc etc and I'd think you could add some
> more items there quite easily since it's a simple python script..
>
> So if there's anyone with some python skills, it'd be great to give
> some love to this script so we all could easily do OSM mapping with
> only FR around.
>
> To use:
> wget
> http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?revision=1.4
> -O<http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?revision=1.4%0A-O>mokomapper.py
> chmod 755 mokomapper.py
> DISPLAY=:0 ./mokomapper.py
>
> Enjoy your freedom!
>
> r
>
> --
> | risto h. kurppa
> | risto at kurppa dot fi
> | http://risto.kurppa.fi
>
>
>
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> | risto at kurppa dot fi
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From sean at openmoko.com  Mon Jun  8 16:15:21 2009
From: sean at openmoko.com (Sean Moss-Pultz)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 07:15:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Freerunner's Future
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Harald Welte-3 wrote:
> 
> Thanks for your update, Sean!
> 
> It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in support
> of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with support in
> areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal side
> (trademarks).
> 
> I'm happy to see this transition and willing to help wherever I can.
> 
> 

Thanks a lot Harald. I heard you're back in Taiwan now. So let's talk in
person later this week. I just returned this afternoon. 

  -Sean


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From sean at openmoko.com  Mon Jun  8 16:16:39 2009
From: sean at openmoko.com (Sean Moss-Pultz)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 07:16:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Freerunner's Future
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Jeremy

I really appreciate your email. Your words cheered us all up at the office. 

  -Sean




Jeremy McNaughton wrote:
> 
> Layoffs are always sad, and never an easy decision to make.  To those
> who are leaving the company, thanks for the great work.  I wish the
> best for your future endeavours and hope that you are able to remain
> in the community in some way.
> 
> I know I haven't really contributed much to the project.  I'm not much
> of a programmer and only have time to poke around on the phone every
> other weekend or so.  Still, I've read almost every thread on the
> mailing list and have learned a great deal.
> 
> I do have a fair bit of experience doing media relations for local
> grassroots organizations and non-profits.  My experience isn't with
> software or technology, it's with anti-poverty activism and social
> service work.  Nonetheless, I have some feedback based on some
> non-tech community organizing to share.
> 
> Handing development of the Freerunner over to the community is a big
> deal.  There is a lot of opportunity here to get good press for both
> Openmoko Inc. and the community.
> 
> The way I see it, giving the phone to the community is every bit as
> radical as launching an open source phone was in the first place.  The
> Openmoko community is now coordinating development of an updated
> Freerunner (using Free software), there are multiple distros, lots of
> apps, multiple phone gui apps.  Not only that, but the mailing lists
> are far from stagnant, and outside of openmoko.org, other parts of the
> broader Openmoko community have their own mailing lists, wikis and
> tracs.
> 
> The key point here is that Openmoko succeeded in building a community
> around its product.  This is no easy task.  Companies and
> organizations with more resources behind them have tried this and not
> succeeded nearly as well as Openmoko has.  For this the company should
> be commended.  There's definitely a newsworthy story here as well.
> 
> Naysayers might look at Openmoko handing responsibility for the
> Freerunner to the community as a death knell for the project, or proof
> that an open source phone can't work.  Instead, it seems the
> Freerunner is transitioning from a phone that was designed in house
> and then open sourced, to a phone for which the hardware itself is
> designed by an open source community.  That's huge!
> 
> There's a big difference between how the Freerunner was developed and
> how the gta02-core is being developed, and that means that once again
> Openmoko is breaking new ground.
> 
> It may be a little early to bring this message to the media.  It
> probably makes sense to let the community have a chance to formalize a
> bit, develop some structure.  A Openmoko Foundation maybe?
> 
> Anyways, once the dust settles maybe Openmoko could make a big
> announcement about how the thriving community is in the process of
> taking over development of the phone.  It could be a chance for
> Openmoko to get some good press for being innovative and altruistic.
> It could also be a huge boon for the community, as it raises awareness
> about the work being done and reaches out to potential new members.
> Not to mention reminding people of all the incredible work that has
> been done with these phones so far.
> 
> Openmoko is a success story.  Despite all the frustrations and delays,
> a new community that develops open source phone technology has been
> created.  In the FLOSS podcast interview a few weeks ago (I think)
> Sean spoke about how the Openmoko has reduced a lot of barriers to
> phone development, potentially allowing the kind of garage workshop
> innovations that led companies like Hewlett Packard or Apple.
> Facilitating the community and that kind of development just lowered
> one more barrier.
> 
> 
> Well, that's my 2 cents.
> 
> 
> Jeremy McNaughton
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org> wrote:
>> Thanks for your update, Sean!
>>
>> It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in support
>> of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with support in
>> areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal side
>> (trademarks).
>>
>> I'm happy to see this transition and willing to help wherever I can.
>>
>> Regards and thank you once again,
>> ? ? ? ?Harald
>> --
>> - Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org> ? ? ? ? ?
>> http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
>> ============================================================================
>> "Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?(ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch.
>> A6)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
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From unachievable at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 16:49:07 2009
From: unachievable at gmail.com (ivvmm)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:49:07 +0400
Subject: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
In-Reply-To: <200906080850.54622@blacky.localdomain>
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Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote:

> 
> I've suffered from this as well.
> 
> In fact, when a group purchaseof 45 phones was organized by russian 
> enthusiasts about a year ago, about half of phones arrived have been 
> 850/1800/1900 and not 900/1800/1900 as they should.
> 

I am speaking about this exact case. Do you own a 850MHz phone? Is there
an opportunity for us to get other version without buying a new one?

> This was caused by mistake by pregrad.net service we used, not by our side.
> But due to quite hard import process (it lasted for months), it was next to 
> impossible to recover :(.
> 
> My Freerunner has GSM working in Moscow, but not 60 km from Moscow.
> 
> 

Yes, that's the truth.

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From chlework2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  8 17:26:48 2009
From: chlework2000 at yahoo.com (Test)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 08:26:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: booting from mSD
Message-ID: <785961.5585.qm@web43506.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I am trying to booting latest image from mSD but it locked up, see below, not sure why? help.
?
?
[21474540.065000] Waiting 5sec before mounting root device...
[21474542.565000] pcf50633 0-0073: usb curlim to 1000 mA
[21474545.085000] EXT2-fs warning (device mmcblk0p2): ext2_fill_super: mounting ext3 files?????????????????????????????????? ystem as ext2
[21474545.100000] VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly on device 179:2.
[21474545.105000] Freeing init memory: 132K
[21474545.115000] Warning: unable to open an initial console.
[21474545.120000] Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found.? Try passing init= option to??????????????????????????????????? kernel.
[21474555.120000] INFO: RCU detected CPU 0 stall (t=4294911024/2000 jiffies)
[21474555.120000] [<c002dcac>] (dump_stack+0x0/0x14) from [<c0073c40>] (__rcu_pending+0x80?????????????????????????????????? /0x21c)


      
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From ed at kapitein.org  Mon Jun  8 18:19:10 2009
From: ed at kapitein.org (Ed Kapitein)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:19:10 +0200
Subject: booting from mSD
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Wild guess, but is your /dev populated?

Kind regards,
@

Test wrote:
> I am trying to booting latest image from mSD but it locked up, see
> below, not sure why? help.
>  
>  
> [21474540.065000] Waiting 5sec before mounting root device...
> [21474542.565000] pcf50633 0-0073: usb curlim to 1000 mA
> [21474545.085000] EXT2-fs warning (device mmcblk0p2): ext2_fill_super:
> mounting ext3 files                                   ystem as ext2
> [21474545.100000] VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly on
> device 179:2.
> [21474545.105000] Freeing init memory: 132K
> [21474545.115000] Warning: unable to open an initial console.
> [21474545.120000] Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found.  Try
> passing init= option to                                    kernel.
> [21474555.120000] INFO: RCU detected CPU 0 stall (t=4294911024/2000
> jiffies)
> [21474555.120000] [<c002dcac>] (dump_stack+0x0/0x14) from [<c0073c40>]
> (__rcu_pending+0x80                                   /0x21c)
>
>
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From chlework2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  8 19:24:52 2009
From: chlework2000 at yahoo.com (chlework2000 at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:24:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: mickeyterm
Message-ID: <820867.70484.qm@web43516.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

my FR (om2008) didn't come w/ mickeyterm, how do i download mickeyterm to FR without flashing new version?
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From paul at borza.ro  Mon Jun  8 19:37:59 2009
From: paul at borza.ro (Paul V. Borza)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 20:37:59 +0300
Subject: Accelges status
In-Reply-To: <359c5480906080612o7ceeafc5n3ce51cb0568a5afe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <359c5480906080612o7ceeafc5n3ce51cb0568a5afe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70e1cd010906081037j37d6f82cl59d8916bdb10f70@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Nicola,

You're free to use the code that's available on
http://code.google.com/p/accelges/
The one from accelsense.org needs heavy restructuring and I don't
recommend using it.
The work I've done at accelges was for my Bachelor's thesis and GSoC 2008.

I will continue working at gesture recognition in autumn for my master's thesis.
Any questions you may have, I'm here to answer.

Thanks,
Paul

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Nicola Mfb<nicola.mfb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi! until now I played with accelerometers only with mokomaze, now
> it's the time to integrate gesture recognition in a my small
> application. So I'd like to know the status of accelges
> (www.accelsense.org).
> I read in the past that there was REL->ABS event transition and as
> accelges seems to have the last commit about 4/5 months ago I'd like
> to know if it's actually compatible with recent kernels and in general
> if it's developed/supported.
> If not may you point me to some alternatives?
>
> Thanks
>
> ? ?Nicola
>
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From digitalpioneer at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 19:54:52 2009
From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:54:52 -0500
Subject: mickeyterm
In-Reply-To: <820867.70484.qm@web43516.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <820867.70484.qm@web43516.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ffce06340906081054i1af23544l5033c3387589f2f3@mail.gmail.com>

Probably just `opkg install mickeyterm` but if that doesn't exist, you can
search for it with `opkg list | grep mickeyterm`

I assume that will do it.
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From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 19:58:03 2009
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 19:58:03 +0200
Subject: mickeyterm
In-Reply-To: <ffce06340906081054i1af23544l5033c3387589f2f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <820867.70484.qm@web43516.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<ffce06340906081054i1af23544l5033c3387589f2f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c30e08170906081058v7abf190eg302937a009408b34@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 19:54, The Digital
Pioneer<digitalpioneer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Probably just `opkg install mickeyterm` but if that doesn't exist, you can
> search for it with `opkg list | grep mickeyterm`
>
> I assume that will do it.

I think mickeyterm is muxer-aware, so it may not work on Om2008, which
is old and unsupported now :P


From nicola.mfb at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 19:59:24 2009
From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 19:59:24 +0200
Subject: Accelges status
In-Reply-To: <70e1cd010906081037j37d6f82cl59d8916bdb10f70@mail.gmail.com>
References: <359c5480906080612o7ceeafc5n3ce51cb0568a5afe@mail.gmail.com>
	<70e1cd010906081037j37d6f82cl59d8916bdb10f70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <359c5480906081059j12199ad3v6eb6aeea208976f0@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Paul V. Borza<paul at borza.ro> wrote:
> Hi Nicola,
>

Hi Paul!
thanks for feedback!

> You're free to use the code that's available on
> http://code.google.com/p/accelges/
> The one from accelsense.org needs heavy restructuring and I don't
> recommend using it.

I'm not sure but reading your code I found in accelneo.c the following snippet:

unsigned short int rel = *(unsigned short int *)(report + 8);
                /*
                 * Neo sends three reports on X, Y, and Z with rel = 2
                 * and another one (as a separator) with rel = 0
                 */
                if (rel == 2)
                {
                        unsigned short int axis_ind = *(short int
*)(report + 10);
                        /* receives signed acceleration in milli-G */
                        int val_mg = *(int *)(report + 12);
                        /* convert acceleration to G */
                        float val_g = (float)val_mg / 1000.0;

                        /* save to accel on the axis */
                        accel.val[axis_ind] = val_g;
                }


and according to
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval old apps
should be patched to work with absolute accelerometers values.

> The work I've done at accelges was for my Bachelor's thesis and GSoC 2008.
>
> I will continue working at gesture recognition in autumn for my master's thesis.
> Any questions you may have, I'm here to answer.

Thanks, we'll wait for you :))
Unless I misunderstood the problem may you write and commit a little
patch to handle rel=3 events too?

Best Regards

    Nicola


From mickey at vanille-media.de  Mon Jun  8 20:06:04 2009
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 20:06:04 +0200
Subject: Power dongle
In-Reply-To: <20090608102208.GA9936@yamamaya.is-a-geek.org>
References: <ffce06340906071244l32b3ca92h2ea04d9924ac35d@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.uu57d2ue41evsb@eeeginguppin>
	<20090608102208.GA9936@yamamaya.is-a-geek.org>
Message-ID: <200906082006.05041.mickey@vanille-media.de>

On Monday 08 June 2009 12:22:08 Tobias Diedrich wrote:
> The framework should be able to detect a battery hotswap and just
> force a modem reboot IMHO.

Agreed -- pending someone fixing http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2287 
though...

:M:


From chlework2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  8 20:10:15 2009
From: chlework2000 at yahoo.com (Test)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:10:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: mickeyterm
Message-ID: <640580.18807.qm@web43507.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I did search but it doesn't exist

--- On Mon, 6/8/09, The Digital Pioneer <digitalpioneer at gmail.com> wrote:


From: The Digital Pioneer <digitalpioneer at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: mickeyterm
To: chlework2000 at yahoo.com, "List for Openmoko community discussion" <community at lists.openmoko.org>
Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 1:54 PM


Probably just `opkg install mickeyterm` but if that doesn't exist, you can search for it with `opkg list | grep mickeyterm`

I assume that will do it.



      
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From jeroenbreg at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  8 20:17:38 2009
From: jeroenbreg at hotmail.com (Tha_Man)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:17:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: hackable:1 - new release
In-Reply-To: <20090505151818.19ee22c7@one>
References: <20090505122617.3bc40015@one>
	<1241528163536-2793787.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20090505151818.19ee22c7@one>
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Marcus Bauer-2 wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:56:03 -0700 (PDT)
> Tha_Man <jeroenbreg at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> There is however one thing that prevents me from using my FR as a
>> daily phone (based on rev4-preview):
>> http://trac.hackable1.org/trac/ticket/52 ticket #52 . 
>> 
>> Can you tell me if this bug is well know, if it is already fixed in
>> rev4-rc1 or planned to be fixed in the near feature? 
> 
> We'll have a look into it this week as some of the devs are meeting.
> With a bit of luck it gets squashed in the next ten days.
> 
> Marcus
> 
> 
Hi Marcus,
I've updated this bug in the h1-bugtracker a few weeks ago and got some
support from other people experiencing the same thing. Do you know if there
is anyone working on it or is it scheduled to be fixed in an upcoming
release/update?

Cheers,
Jeroen
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From liedekef at telenet.be  Mon Jun  8 20:20:12 2009
From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 20:20:12 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <200906081813.32049.chris@csamuel.org>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<200906081605.20040.chris@csamuel.org>
	<60567dcc0906080023g74440870t2f3f0f67d72c8876@mail.gmail.com>
	<200906081813.32049.chris@csamuel.org>
Message-ID: <20090608202012.6b1483f6@telenet.be>

On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 18:13:28 +1000
Chris Samuel <chris at csamuel.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 05:23:41 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> 
> > Hi Chris,
> 
> Hiya,
> 
> > if this is true, then there's probably a kernel module issue in
> > 2.6.28 with QtMoko. This needs to be tested then.
> 
> Could well be!  I did have TangoGPS working with OM2009 TR4 too
> (using their supplied 2.6.29-rc2 kernel, which has the wrong
> filename, claims to be 2.6.28!).
> 
> > But again: I never managed to get a fix with any distro, so I don't
> > think it will be possible for me to do testing at all, but when I
> > get back from holidays I'll try to spend some time on this issue.
> 
> No worries, if there's anything I can do to help then please let me
> know!  I suppose it could also be a hardware issue on your phone
> too.. :-(
> 
> cheers,
> Chris

Well, I found the first issue at least: the neogps app uses an old path
to power on the gps device.
I changed this now, but until a new build arrives, use this script
(compatible with 2.6.24 and >=2.6.28):
---------------------------------------------------------
#!/bin/sh

if [ -e /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0 ]; then
  echo 1 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on
fi
# for older kernels
if [ -e /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron ];
then
  echo 1 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron
fi
----------------------------------------------------------
Do an "echo 0" to power it down after usage.

Also, I've seen a bug report go by that tells me there's an issue with
gps and 2.6.28 kernels in that you can't reenable the gps after
unsuspend, so you might want to try without suspending as well.

Franky


From chlework2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  8 20:51:30 2009
From: chlework2000 at yahoo.com (chlework2000 at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:51:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: booting from mSD (Ed Kapitein)
Message-ID: <378233.91642.qm@web43504.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>



this is latest images from web, i dowloaded and trying to booting from mSD.
?
modules-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r2-om-gta02.gz
?
following this instructions?
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD
?
?
?
?
Wild guess, but is your /dev populated?

Kind regards,
@

Test wrote:
> I am trying to booting latest image from mSD but it locked up, see
> below, not sure why? help.
>? 
>? 
> [21474540.065000] Waiting 5sec before mounting root device...
> [21474542.565000] pcf50633 0-0073: usb curlim to 1000 mA
> [21474545.085000] EXT2-fs warning (device mmcblk0p2): ext2_fill_super:
> mounting ext3 files? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???ystem as ext2
> [21474545.100000] VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly on
> device 179:2.
> [21474545.105000] Freeing init memory: 132K
> [21474545.115000] Warning: unable to open an initial console.
> [21474545.120000] Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found.? Try
> passing init= option to? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? kernel.
> [21474555.120000] INFO: RCU detected CPU 0 stall (t=4294911024/2000
> jiffies)
> [21474555.120000] [<c002dcac>] (dump_stack+0x0/0x14) from [<c0073c40>]
> (__rcu_pending+0x80? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???/0x21c)
>
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From liedekef at telenet.be  Mon Jun  8 20:58:58 2009
From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 20:58:58 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <b8e8c9290906071743i58e2e6b3me67f2f4f62a338aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<b8e8c9290906071743i58e2e6b3me67f2f4f62a338aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090608205858.78be6733@telenet.be>

On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 19:43:40 -0500
Rene Horn <the.rhorn at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just tried out this version.  I'm still having issues with GPRS.
> I'd like to be able to fix the issue myself if I could, or at least
> point out a possible fix.  I know it can work because it does under
> SHR-Unstable.
> 
> Where should I be looking for this?  Where is all the GPRS code
> located? Where are the scripts?
> 
> Rene

I never tried gprs myself (don't have an account), but you can always
look at the script in

/opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/bin/ppp-network

The pppd daemon seems to be launched by this script via using sudo. You
might want to check that the needed ppp modules are up and running.
Also check if the ppp packages are installed.

The dialup source is in src/plugins/network/dialing
Also read the hint mentioned here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/community at lists.openmoko.org/msg33030.html
and a small howto also here:
http://journal.wjsullivan.net/232100.html

If you find anything, please let us know, so we can improve the user
experience for everybody!

Franky


From nytowl at openmoko.org  Mon Jun  8 21:11:19 2009
From: nytowl at openmoko.org (Angus Ainslie)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:11:19 -0600
Subject: booting from mSD (Ed Kapitein)
In-Reply-To: <378233.91642.qm@web43504.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <378233.91642.qm@web43504.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200906081311.19490.nytowl@openmoko.org>

On June 8, 2009 12:51:30 pm chlework2000 at yahoo.com wrote:
> this is latest images from web, i dowloaded and trying to booting from mSD.
>  
> modules-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r2-om-
>gta02.gz 
> following this instructions?
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD
>  

You've listed a modules tarball. Did you untar a rootfs tarball first ?

Angus


From sven at klomp.de  Mon Jun  8 21:30:20 2009
From: sven at klomp.de (Sven Klomp)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 21:30:20 +0200
Subject: Stress test of my Freerunner
In-Reply-To: <20090607171848.234dfd01@blunt.home>
References: <200906071555.38024.sven@klomp.de>
	<20090607171848.234dfd01@blunt.home>
Message-ID: <200906082130.20612.sven@klomp.de>

On Sunday June 7 2009 16:18:48 Yogiz wrote:
> Thanks for the impressions. I really like the GPS diary idea. Perhaps
> you should release it to the public? As to alarms, try ffalarms (opkg
> install ffalarms).

I attached my code. As said, it isn't much and not very user-friendly. However, I was surprised how few code is needed to get the idea working.

storeLocation.py:
This script is called on the FR to store the current coordinates to locations.dat
E.g. storeLocation.py -t "My Home" -d "This is where I live since 5 years"
Please modify "http://myserver.org/" to your needs.

sendLocations.sh:
All locations stored in locations.dat can be send to the server with the small sendLocations.sh script. I used the http-get method since there was no urllib module in SHR.

add.py:
On the server side, add.py receives the coordinates as cgi script and stores the information to locations.dat. (I should change the name, since the content is different to locations.dat on the FR...)

diary.kml:
This is also a cgi script written in Python which creates the kml output from the content of locations.dat.

Have fun :-)
Sven
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From filip at linux4.be  Mon Jun  8 21:25:00 2009
From: filip at linux4.be (Filip Onkelinx)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:25:00 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <20090608205858.78be6733@telenet.be>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<b8e8c9290906071743i58e2e6b3me67f2f4f62a338aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090608205858.78be6733@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <op.uu7z7yn15z3zlq@home.onkelinx.com>

Hi Rene, Franky,

I've been using GRPS on QtE for several months without major issues. I  
remember I once had to create the device file /dev/ppp
On my current (old) QtE image, ls -l /dev/ppp gives me:

crw------- 1 root root 108,0  Jun 8 16:49 /dev/ppp

you might want to check if you have this device file, and if not try to  
create it with mknod. (you will probably need to add it to the startup  
script )

cheers,

Filip.

On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:58:58 +0200, Franky Van Liedekerke  
<liedekef at telenet.be> wrote:

> On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 19:43:40 -0500
> Rene Horn <the.rhorn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I just tried out this version.  I'm still having issues with GPRS.
>> I'd like to be able to fix the issue myself if I could, or at least
>> point out a possible fix.  I know it can work because it does under
>> SHR-Unstable.
>>
>> Where should I be looking for this?  Where is all the GPRS code
>> located? Where are the scripts?
>>
>> Rene
>
> I never tried gprs myself (don't have an account), but you can always
> look at the script in
>
> /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/bin/ppp-network
>
> The pppd daemon seems to be launched by this script via using sudo. You
> might want to check that the needed ppp modules are up and running.
> Also check if the ppp packages are installed.
>
> The dialup source is in src/plugins/network/dialing
> Also read the hint mentioned here:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/community at lists.openmoko.org/msg33030.html
> and a small howto also here:
> http://journal.wjsullivan.net/232100.html
>
> If you find anything, please let us know, so we can improve the user
> experience for everybody!
>
> Franky
>
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From onen.om at free.fr  Mon Jun  8 22:48:05 2009
From: onen.om at free.fr (Onen)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:48:05 +0200
Subject: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
In-Reply-To: <4A2BE972.5080104@techworks.ie>
References: <4A27CA73.8060809@techworks.ie> <4A2BE972.5080104@techworks.ie>
Message-ID: <4A2D7905.5020502@free.fr>

Hi,

very nice work! Thanks for taking the time of doing this.

Christian Gagneraud wrote:
> For OBM logger to be compatible with CH database, there's very few 
> data that need to be added to the OBM logger:
> - provider: the network operator, as reported by fso.GSM.Network.g 
> getStatus() or Status() signal

Would not be too difficult ;-)

> - arfcn: current channel number, as reported by 
> fso.GSM.Monitor.Get{Serving,Neighbour}CellInformation()

This will be in next version.

> And only one data is expressed in a different unit:
> - signal strength: OBM use dBm and CH use a scale as per %EM AT command 

The dBm is a direct formula out of the GSM spec. So you should be able 
to go from one to the other very easily.

> So finally, it would be ideal to enhance slightly the OBM logger, this 
> way it will be universal in regards to the 3 databases. And this will 
> give the user the complete freedom to upload his data to whatever 
> database he wants (for example i would like to upload data to CH 
> server for the fun and still contribute to OBM because i'm convinced 
> of the higher quality of their data).
> 

Well and what if cellhunter changes his API, and or the data it uploads? 
I fear having to follow every move of cellhunter to catch up with his 
modifications. In the end my app will be tagged as unstable/not working 
every time it does not succeed in uploading to ch.

Cellhunter does have rules for the game (uploaded online, offline, maybe 
depends of data) which leads to the number of points you get. I wonder 
if you would get all the points you should, with an obm (fairly) 
compatible logger.

Well if somebody feels like maintaining such a mechanism, he can get in 
touch with me.

> Some personal remarks (a bit OT):
> - It's a pity that CH use signal strength in GSM scale, FSO use 
> percent and OBM dBm. There's lot of wasted CPU (and battery) around...
> 

I try to think about cpu usage when building my application. But to be 
honest, once I talked with someone about this, and he made a good point:
this is absolutely nothing in comparison of using python instead of C, 
vala, etc.

Onen



From onen.om at free.fr  Mon Jun  8 23:09:11 2009
From: onen.om at free.fr (Onen)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:09:11 +0200
Subject: [openBmap] Some news: OSM, stats, Dependencies missing, D-bus GSM
	location prototype, hard drive failure
Message-ID: <4A2D7DF7.8060206@free.fr>

Hi everyone,

work keeps going, and I received suggestions from users. Keep going, at 
least, they get written down on my ToDo list ;-)

Here some news about the project:

* thanks to spaetz support, we have replaced the big G maps by 
openstreetmap!
http://realtimeblog.free.fr/with_osm.php

* thanks to Risto H. Kurppa, for helping finding out a bug on the 
package in om2009 about dependencies missing. This has been now fixed 
(thanks mrmoku), and the fix should propagate to all the distributions 
in the next days (thanks Stefan).

* We now have basic stats:
http://realtimeblog.free.fr/logins_stats.php

* I did a prototype of a D-bus service on the phone, which uses the 
database locally. If anyone is interested in building a service which 
needs GSM positioning, contact me. As I said, it is a prototype, but it 
works, and could be used.

* We experience a hard drive failure at the moment. Nick is working hard 
on this. Please be patient. The website will get updated as soon as the 
service is back to normal.

* As it has been said on a previous thread by others, opencellid data 
have been imported in our database.
Why did we import it? We think the data from oci could be
of better quality with some additions. So far, we could not get an
agreement about this from Thomas. So we still aim at people logging
through obm for better quality. But to propose right now the best
coverage to our users, we use oci data too, where no obm data is
available. But the idea is to replace it with obm data with time, as it
comes in.

Again thanks to all the people who helped us, and for the nice comments. 
  And of course, thanks to all the contributors!

Onen



From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Tue Jun  9 00:02:23 2009
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 00:02:23 +0200
Subject: [openBmap] Some news: OSM, stats, Dependencies missing, D-bus GSM 
	location prototype, hard drive failure
In-Reply-To: <4A2D7DF7.8060206@free.fr>
References: <4A2D7DF7.8060206@free.fr>
Message-ID: <26fea52c0906081502s3859912cwdad73a854d0c4ec6@mail.gmail.com>

keep up the good work!

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Onen<onen.om at free.fr> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> work keeps going, and I received suggestions from users. Keep going, at
> least, they get written down on my ToDo list ;-)
>
> Here some news about the project:
>
> * thanks to spaetz support, we have replaced the big G maps by
> openstreetmap!
> http://realtimeblog.free.fr/with_osm.php
>
> * thanks to Risto H. Kurppa, for helping finding out a bug on the
> package in om2009 about dependencies missing. This has been now fixed
> (thanks mrmoku), and the fix should propagate to all the distributions
> in the next days (thanks Stefan).
>
> * We now have basic stats:
> http://realtimeblog.free.fr/logins_stats.php
>
> * I did a prototype of a D-bus service on the phone, which uses the
> database locally. If anyone is interested in building a service which
> needs GSM positioning, contact me. As I said, it is a prototype, but it
> works, and could be used.
>
> * We experience a hard drive failure at the moment. Nick is working hard
> on this. Please be patient. The website will get updated as soon as the
> service is back to normal.
>
> * As it has been said on a previous thread by others, opencellid data
> have been imported in our database.
> Why did we import it? We think the data from oci could be
> of better quality with some additions. So far, we could not get an
> agreement about this from Thomas. So we still aim at people logging
> through obm for better quality. But to propose right now the best
> coverage to our users, we use oci data too, where no obm data is
> available. But the idea is to replace it with obm data with time, as it
> comes in.
>
> Again thanks to all the people who helped us, and for the nice comments.
> ?And of course, thanks to all the contributors!
>
> Onen
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From openmoko at coralbark.net  Tue Jun  9 00:05:10 2009
From: openmoko at coralbark.net (Jon Levell)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:05:10 +0100
Subject: Help requested: SHR Screenshots
In-Reply-To: <200906071514.02690.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
References: <4A2B8AA1.7040907@coralbark.net>	<20090607120044.40be7c73@laptop-vanek>
	<200906071514.02690.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <4A2D8B16.9080000@coralbark.net>

Michael Zanetti wrote:

> How did you get the category bar on the bottom for example on screenshot 
> #2753?

I think that is a screenshot of Launcher:
http://www.opkg.org/package_220.html

Jon.



From digitalpioneer at gmail.com  Tue Jun  9 05:17:38 2009
From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 22:17:38 -0500
Subject: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support
In-Reply-To: <4A2CE96E.80908@djdas.net>
References: <26fea52c0906070750h146149d1la5e690ef9466bad@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1244395340764-3039249.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<26fea52c0906071058l39a67f3t7580ddb6fe7104a2@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ffce06340906071157l479b2866oc5a769f978277962@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1244420837178-3040845.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<ffce06340906071807j60c53dd0t852b2138879fe00b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1244423693647-3040934.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A2CC654.9080005@djdas.net>
	<4A2CE6B0.200@mikeasoft.com> <4A2CE96E.80908@djdas.net>
Message-ID: <ffce06340906082017i72477f8m1de9a8c753829bc6@mail.gmail.com>

If you do implement this in Intone (I see the merits of having it as a
system-wide option, but then, how many apps are playing sound at one time?),
beware that if the bluetooth headset refuses to pair, or if the bluetooth
chip is turned off, mplayer freezes and Intone does too. I have to kill them
both manually. So be sure to power on the BT chip before playing music with
it. Also, you have to beware that the headset may not pair with the phone
automatically, it may require authentication. mplayer won't handle that, and
will lock up. Of course, it's not Intone's job to do this either, but I
would like to see Intone run (and close) even when mplayer locks, and
preferably Intone could kill mplayer when it exits if mplayer is locked.

I hope that all made sense, I'm a bit tired right now. :P
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From jeremy.mcnaughton at gmail.com  Tue Jun  9 06:40:35 2009
From: jeremy.mcnaughton at gmail.com (Jeremy McNaughton)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 00:40:35 -0400
Subject: Freerunner's Future
In-Reply-To: <4A2AAD41.2080305@openmoko-fr.org>
References: <6cfff7040906020859s6e818486n479cc52625e8bbed@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A2561A6.4010306@openmoko.com>
	<dc6682e90906021045l5ab15331w2ce852c99eed9270@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM, swap38<swap38 at openmoko-fr.org> wrote:

[snip]
>
> I created this page (just a draft) :
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_transition
>
[/snip]

I've started some brainstorming on this page at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_transition#Community_Organization

It's all very general and abstract right now.

Please (of course) feel free to change it up and expand where you see fit.


Jeremy McNaughton


From michael_zanetti at gmx.net  Tue Jun  9 08:44:08 2009
From: michael_zanetti at gmx.net (Michael Zanetti)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 08:44:08 +0200
Subject: Help requested: SHR Screenshots
In-Reply-To: <4A2D8B16.9080000@coralbark.net>
References: <4A2B8AA1.7040907@coralbark.net>
	<200906071514.02690.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<4A2D8B16.9080000@coralbark.net>
Message-ID: <200906090844.08219.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>

On Tuesday 09 June 2009 00:05:10 Jon Levell wrote:
> Michael Zanetti wrote:
> > How did you get the category bar on the bottom for example on screenshot
> > #2753?
>
> I think that is a screenshot of Launcher:
> http://www.opkg.org/package_220.html
>

No... It also isn't launcher... If it were launcher there were a clock and 
date on the background...

This seems to be something that just manages categories for the desktop 
(hopefully much faster than sortdesk) and doesn't duplicate the clock and call 
notifiaction tasks...


From joakim at verona.se  Tue Jun  9 09:04:37 2009
From: joakim at verona.se (joakim at verona.se)
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 09:04:37 +0200
Subject: Paroli introduction video
References: <c4cd0cc80906060715h70965248r9ae448c78dd54a61@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m3fxe96g6y.fsf@verona.se>

Laszlo KREKACS <laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com> writes:

> Dear list,
>
> Im toying with the idea, of creating a Paroli introduction video,
> where I present all the
> basic phone functionality of paroli. Short of a tutorial, where I can
> point the newcomers to.
>
> I have began to shoot the video, and made about 5 min, where I needed
> to cut off.
> The video is not finished, and I will reshoot it, as it is blurry, and
> shacked the camera a lot.
>
> However, I will be not able reshoot it before wednesday or later next week.
>
> So Im posting this *work-in-progress* 10% made video to the community
> hoping that
> somebody with willing to record the audio will join me, and others
> will have some
> feedbacks too. I also hoping, if some of you have done video editing
> before, and
> can adjust the background sound, with voice, and finalise the video
> will step up, and
> help me.
>
> Otherwise I will reshoot the video next week, and put online as-is. I
> hope it will
> be less blurry (the lcd is broken in my camera, so cant see anything
> while filming;-|)
>
> What I really like in this video, is how speedy paroli is. There is
> not much waiting, the
> video is realtime, was absolutely no editing in it.
>
> http://www.vimeo.com/5029019
>
> Feedbacks?

I really liked this video. It made me smile, and got me interested in
Paroli. I liked the little surprises, the way the signs were used
creatively. Constructive critisicm: please improve the readability of
the signs by improving contrast in them. Dont use "hollowed out"
lettering. I had difficulty reading some of the signs. I still think the
signs should be hand-made though, it adds to the flavour. Maybe you
could make a hand-drawn skin for Paroli? I would use it :)

> Laszlo
>
> PS: bear in mind, that this is my first video. Dont be too harsh.
-- 
Joakim Verona



From giacomomariani at yahoo.it  Tue Jun  9 11:41:48 2009
From: giacomomariani at yahoo.it (giacomo "giotti" mariani)
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:41:48 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Leonardo's keyboard
In-Reply-To: <mailman.174.1244362355.32323.community@lists.openmoko.org>
References: <mailman.174.1244362355.32323.community@lists.openmoko.org>
Message-ID: <4A2E2E5C.6080708@yahoo.it>

Hello,
I would like to thank again all developers of QtExtended  for your
excellent work.
I've some questions for you:
-is there any "return key" on the Leonardo's keyboard (I'm not able to
find it by myself)?
-why, in that keyboard, there are 2 "u" keys?
-which is, now, the right name for the distribution? QtExtendedImproved
or QtMoko or another one or both?
-I can't remember how to switch between predictive and not predictive
keyboards, would you please suggest it again?
-is it possible, using Qmplayer in normal mode (i.e. non in full
screen), to have the video centered instead of in the up-left corner?

Thank you very much
Giacomo

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From wolfgang at openmoko.org  Tue Jun  9 12:26:05 2009
From: wolfgang at openmoko.org (Wolfgang Spraul)
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:26:05 +0800
Subject: Leaving Openmoko and continuing with Openmoko
Message-ID: <4A2E38BD.70607@openmoko.org>

Hi everybody,
today I wanted to make it official that I left my employed role at 
Openmoko Inc. two weeks ago. I worked as Sean's lead for all engineering 
activities for over 1.5 years, and have to say it was a hell of a ride!
Thanks a lot to Sean and all former and current Openmoko employees, as 
well as our community and customers, for giving me such a challenging 
and also rewarding environment to work in. It was an honor to work with 
all of you!

I will continue to work with Sean and Openmoko Inc. in an outsourcing role.

In parallel, me and other ex-Openmoko employees are trying to regroup 
outside of the company to add new flavors to the Openmoko family. Stay 
tuned for news as this unfolds, we will need your support.

The key breakthrough Openmoko achieved in my mind is to kickstart a 
collaborative way to develop consumer electronics. Sean is yet to thank 
enough for the groundbreaking and truly visionary entrepreneurial role 
he played in that.
When I joined Openmoko, I had never heard about Creative Commons. Now I 
am meeting with semiconductor companies lobbying them to publish more 
documentation under CC licenses. And I am blown away by Werner's 
gta02-core project which has all schematics and layout files under a 
Creative Commons ShareAlike license from day 1, and is using only Free 
Software tools.
If you look at today's best consumer products, they are the results of 
endless polishing by a tightly controlled group of people and companies. 
The results are amazing - Apple products come to my mind, Blackberry and 
others.
Unfortunately as of today the end user experience of a Neo Freerunner is 
far away from that :-)
But that doesn't mean that the visionary role Openmoko is playing leads 
in the wrong direction. It just needs more time. As consumer electronics 
become more complex, for example interact more over radio interfaces, it 
will increasingly become harder for a tightly setup and controlled group 
to make great end user products. It will be slow and expensive.

Zoom forward and I can see how freely formed groups of companies and 
individuals collaborate in the Creative Commons ShareAlike way, on an 
equal playing field, to make products that are both better and cheaper 
for a particular user group than anything else out there.
We have a long way to go on this path, Openmoko the company as well as 
the community and new offspring companies need to stay together and keep 
the faith. You can count me in.
I am reachable and will stay active under my wolfgang at openmoko.org 
account, or my private account wspraul at q-ag.de.

Feel free to contact me for anything Openmoko or Freerunner related, 
ideas for new collaboratively developed products, etc.
Wolfgang


From liedekef at telenet.be  Tue Jun  9 12:41:07 2009
From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:41:07 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Leonardo's keyboard
In-Reply-To: <4A2E2E5C.6080708@yahoo.it>
References: <mailman.174.1244362355.32323.community@lists.openmoko.org>
	<4A2E2E5C.6080708@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <60567dcc0906090341y735ba3d3ve89030fb5e148b83@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:41 AM, giacomo "giotti"
mariani<giacomomariani at yahoo.it> wrote:
> Hello,
> I would like to thank again all developers of QtExtended ?for your
> excellent work.
> I've some questions for you:
> -is there any "return key" on the Leonardo's keyboard (I'm not able to
> find it by myself)?

no

> -why, in that keyboard, there are 2 "u" keys?

a typo from Leonardo :-)

> -which is, now, the right name for the distribution? QtExtendedImproved
> or QtMoko or another one or both?

qtmoko

> -I can't remember how to switch between predictive and not predictive
> keyboards, would you please suggest it again?

slide diagonally, but whether it is left-down to right-up or the other
way around, I don't remember right now. Also for now, there's no
visual feedback.
And more: my install script removes the dictionaries (I think), so no
prediction if those are removed of course ...

> -is it possible, using Qmplayer in normal mode (i.e. non in full
> screen), to have the video centered instead of in the up-left corner?

Radek can answer this one.

Franky


From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Tue Jun  9 12:48:05 2009
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:48:05 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Leonardo's keyboard
In-Reply-To: <4A2E2E5C.6080708@yahoo.it>
References: <mailman.174.1244362355.32323.community@lists.openmoko.org>
	<4A2E2E5C.6080708@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <4A2E3DE5.1050509@seznam.cz>

giacomo "giotti" mariani wrote:

> -is it possible, using Qmplayer in normal mode (i.e. non in full
> screen), to have the video centered instead of in the up-left corner?

If you figure out parameter for mplayer to do this, then i can
implement this in qmplayer.

Radek



From risto at kurppa.fi  Tue Jun  9 14:13:26 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 15:13:26 +0300
Subject: Leaving Openmoko and continuing with Openmoko
In-Reply-To: <4A2E38BD.70607@openmoko.org>
References: <4A2E38BD.70607@openmoko.org>
Message-ID: <d3e504410906090513r1bb5e15pb423f5af30e18d58@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Wolfgang and thank you for the work you've done to make this
happen, what we've achieved so far.

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Wolfgang Spraul<wolfgang at openmoko.org> wrote:
> I will continue to work with Sean and Openmoko Inc. in an outsourcing role.
>
> In parallel, me and other ex-Openmoko employees are trying to regroup
> outside of the company to add new flavors to the Openmoko family. Stay
> tuned for news as this unfolds, we will need your support.

This sound's interesting. I hope this doesn't create a parallel
structure to the planned foundation, but you'd be a part of it. If you
ask me, leaders to have the freedom to take the community to where you
want it to go, not where investors etc want it to go.

> If you look at today's best consumer products, they are the results of
> endless polishing by a tightly controlled group of people and companies.
> The results are amazing - Apple products come to my mind, Blackberry and
> others.
> Unfortunately as of today the end user experience of a Neo Freerunner is
> far away from that :-)

I must agree - I was just reading the latest releases by Apple and I
admit being jealous with all the new features & hardware. And all the
cool apps they have - OK, Linux world has thousands of apps but
they're designed for keyboard, mouse and big screen, not a small
portable device with touch screen.

> Zoom forward and I can see how freely formed groups of companies and
> individuals collaborate in the Creative Commons ShareAlike way, on an
> equal playing field, to make products that are both better and cheaper
> for a particular user group than anything else out there.

Waiting this to happen ... :)

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to see what happens with the
company-independent community, how it will organize itself and what's
the direction where we'll be going. Keep up the good work (and I
really appreciate it that you former  OM people stay in the project,
it's very valuable as you have all the background information about
the device and the project that the community can only guess..)

r


-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From rusolis at poczta.fm  Tue Jun  9 15:58:46 2009
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 15:58:46 +0200
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.22
In-Reply-To: <1244260838838-3034171.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1243250505215-2969146.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<d3e504410905270814w661bf65bgdf7b2b55959ae3b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00905271009u4102f924te1c91199198443fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1243491593948-2985771.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00906020733j1d230f9n9699f8293727cf1a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244007049734-3016483.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<65c86d230906030244n673a1712nf079ab3ff2fb295@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244086797401-3022613.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<dae089cf0906050923l200d49cfr6884d14e35bad41d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244260838838-3034171.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <8b48b1570906090658l5892dd00hb06c42c38092e206@mail.gmail.com>

c_c, this app rocks. I'd like to know how to put it in the place of the
default illume home page, so it's the first screen when you boot the phone.
It's much better.

Btw, some icons are missing in launcher, while they show up in illume home.
For example contacts, dialer, messages. PhoneLog shows up ok. All that shows
up is the caption of the program.

Michal

2009/6/6 c_c <cchandel at yahoo.com>

>
> Hi,
>
> Cameron Frazier wrote:
> >
> >>in c (derived from [1], look at the bottom):
> >>elm_scroller_bounce_set(self.obj, h_bounce, v_bounce)
> >
>  Thanks. That helped. I needed to update my elementary libs on the laptop
> too. So here's the latest version - without the bouncing - and yes it's a
> lot simpler to use.
>
> http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3034171/launcher_0.22_arm.ipk
> launcher_0.22_arm.ipk
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-Home-Page-%28alpha%29-Release-0.21-tp2969146p3034171.html
> Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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From karadog at gmail.com  Tue Jun  9 16:25:31 2009
From: karadog at gmail.com (HouYu Li)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:25:31 +0800
Subject: [QtExtended] Leonardo's keyboard
In-Reply-To: <4A2E3DE5.1050509@seznam.cz>
References: <mailman.174.1244362355.32323.community@lists.openmoko.org>
	<4A2E2E5C.6080708@yahoo.it> <4A2E3DE5.1050509@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <ea736a480906090725s54adf723u50245230ca738754@mail.gmail.com>

Yes. now qtmoko

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Radek Polak <psonek2 at seznam.cz> wrote:

> giacomo "giotti" mariani wrote:
>
> > -is it possible, using Qmplayer in normal mode (i.e. non in full
> > screen), to have the video centered instead of in the up-left corner?
>
> If you figure out parameter for mplayer to do this, then i can
> implement this in qmplayer.
>
> Radek
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



-- 
Best Regards

HouYu Li, Karajan

karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com
karadog (at) gmail.com
lihouyu (at) phpex.net

PHP Developer
Red Hat Certified Engineer

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From werner at openmoko.org  Tue Jun  9 16:49:36 2009
From: werner at openmoko.org (Werner Almesberger)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 11:49:36 -0300
Subject: Linux International and Openmoko
In-Reply-To: <1244306551.6311.31.camel@shamet>
References: <1244306551.6311.31.camel@shamet>
Message-ID: <20090609144936.GL4625@almesberger.net>

Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote:
> If the Openmoko community is interested in pursuing this, I would be
> happy to discuss LI's plans further with you, and how Openmoko could fit
> into this.

I think putting gta02-core and similar projects under the wings of
LI is a wonderful idea ! We already discussed some of this a few
days ago. Below are some hopefully not too random thoughts on the
things a project like gta02-core needs and how they fit with what I
think an organization like LI can provide.

For technical projects like gta02-core, one of the most important
roles of such an organization would be to enter contracts and to
maintain rights that exist beyond and across projects. For example,
if we need to enter an NDA for some purpose, also follow-on
projects should be able to use this NDA without having to
re-negotiate it (which can be very difficult if not impossible.)

I'm not familiar with the subtleties that distinguish the various
forms of organization, and their impact on commercial activities,
but I think we can identify a few types of such activities that are
likely to be necessary:

For projects like gta02-core and possible successors, it would be
important to purchase goods (e.g., components), contract services
(e.g., PCB making or an SMT run), sell products (e.g., boards or
complete phones), and to save some of the revenue for later
activities (e.g., purchase of material).

Furthermore, it should be possible to hire or contract people for
roles that are beyond the scope of mere volunteer activities.

The international chapters certainly resonate well with the global
interest in open phone development that we've experienced with
Openmoko. Regarding international members, is there any special
paperwork they need to do to join LI as members or to perform
tasks in which they represent LI (or a sub-group ?) to some extent,
e.g., negotiate a contract ?

If none of the items above raises a red flag, I'd say this should
be an excellent match. The experience of LI would help projects
like gta02-core to establish a solid organizational framework, and
the prominence of LI would help gain visibility, attract
participants, and open doors for industry contacts.

When these bustling projects are successful in bringing openness,
both for hard- and software, into new areas and to new users, this
would in turn be just what LI aims for.

So I'd like to thank you for the invitation, and I'm very excited
about the prospect of joining forces with LI.

- Werner


From steffen.linux at gmx.de  Tue Jun  9 17:01:36 2009
From: steffen.linux at gmx.de (Steffen Winkler)
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:01:36 +0200
Subject: [Hackable:1] Bluetooth: How to connect with laptop? (ubuntu 9.04)
Message-ID: <1244559696.24550.4.camel@ubuntuDetructor>

Hi,

I hope someone can answer this question: How can I connect my neo with
my laptop per bluetooth?

When I enable th BT connection ower the powerButton menu my laptop can
see the neo and the neo can see my laptop.

But every try to connect the two fails.

On the neo I tried:
hcitool cc <macAddressOfTheBTChipOfMyLaptop>
there comes no message after that and the two are not connected

From my laptop I tried it over the GUI, but here it asks for a PIN and I
don't know what PIN the H:1 has?! Or where I can configure it.

Hope someone can help me.
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From bernd.pruenster at gmail.com  Tue Jun  9 17:44:08 2009
From: bernd.pruenster at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bernd_Pr=FCnster?=)
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:44:08 +0200
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.22
In-Reply-To: <8b48b1570906090658l5892dd00hb06c42c38092e206@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1243250505215-2969146.post@n2.nabble.com>	<d3e504410905270814w661bf65bgdf7b2b55959ae3b8@mail.gmail.com>	<b66a83e00905271009u4102f924te1c91199198443fc@mail.gmail.com>	<1243491593948-2985771.post@n2.nabble.com>	<b66a83e00906020733j1d230f9n9699f8293727cf1a@mail.gmail.com>	<1244007049734-3016483.post@n2.nabble.com>	<65c86d230906030244n673a1712nf079ab3ff2fb295@mail.gmail.com>	<1244086797401-3022613.post@n2.nabble.com>	<dae089cf0906050923l200d49cfr6884d14e35bad41d@mail.gmail.com>	<1244260838838-3034171.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<8b48b1570906090658l5892dd00hb06c42c38092e206@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2E8348.6000804@gmail.com>

Michal Brzozowski schrieb:
> c_c, this app rocks. I'd like to know how to put it in the place of 
> the default illume home page, so it's the first screen when you boot 
> the phone. It's much better.
>
> Btw, some icons are missing in launcher, while they show up in illume 
> home. For example contacts, dialer, messages. PhoneLog shows up ok. 
> All that shows up is the caption of the program.
>
> Michal
the reason is, because these icons are under /usr/share/icons/<name of 
currently selected icon theme>/.../...
you can fix it by copying them to /usr/share/applications


From www.rzr.online.fr at gmail.com  Tue Jun  9 17:59:42 2009
From: www.rzr.online.fr at gmail.com (RzR www.rzr.online.fr)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 17:59:42 +0200
Subject: Mer on OpenMoko devices ?
In-Reply-To: <ffce06340905010612w3373a2c1hfd7990b1bb40eac2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87hc05p41z.fsf@olivierberger.com>
	<200905011435.59960.mickey@vanille-media.de>
	<ffce06340905010612w3373a2c1hfd7990b1bb40eac2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78a9ab5d0906090859p5dee2df1yc0e6b4082cafc3e6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

With previous release of goshawknest (clap clap clap)

I was able to make a demo and to provide a bootable image of mer for freerunner
download it to your sdcard and boot it  Or check video demo at :

http://www.newlc.com/en/mer-best-maemo-debianubuntu-mobiles-watch-freerunner-demo

Also:

http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Hardware/Freerunner#install_.2F_download
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mer

feel free to mirror the file

Regards

-- 
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From giacomomariani at yahoo.it  Tue Jun  9 18:02:17 2009
From: giacomomariani at yahoo.it (giacomo "giotti" mariani)
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:02:17 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Leonardo's keyboard
In-Reply-To: <mailman.273.1244559853.32323.community@lists.openmoko.org>
References: <mailman.273.1244559853.32323.community@lists.openmoko.org>
Message-ID: <4A2E8789.7020105@yahoo.it>


>> Hello,
>> I would like to thank again all developers of QtExtended ?for your
>> excellent work.
>> I've some questions for you:
>> -is there any "return key" on the Leonardo's keyboard (I'm not able to
>> find it by myself)?
>>     
>
> no
>
>   
I wonder why...
>> -why, in that keyboard, there are 2 "u" keys?
>>     
>
> a typo from Leonardo :-)
>
>   
asd...
>> -which is, now, the right name for the distribution? QtExtendedImproved
>> or QtMoko or another one or both?
>>     
>
> qtmoko
>
>   
OK
>> -I can't remember how to switch between predictive and not predictive
>> keyboards, would you please suggest it again?
>>     
>
> slide diagonally, but whether it is left-down to right-up or the other
> way around, I don't remember right now. Also for now, there's no
> visual feedback.
> And more: my install script removes the dictionaries (I think), so no
> prediction if those are removed of course ...
>
>   
All I find is:
ls -l /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/etc/dict/*
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root         2340 Jun  1 19:54
/opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/etc/dict/internet.dawg

/opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/etc/dict/en_US:
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root        27988 Jun  1 19:54 common.dawg
-rw-r--r--    1 root     root       497988 Jun  1 19:54 words.dawg

Are that binary files the dictionary?

>> -is it possible, using Qmplayer in normal mode (i.e. non in full
>> screen), to have the video centered instead of in the up-left corner?
>>     
>
> If you figure out parameter for mplayer to do this, then i can
> implement this in qmplayer.
>
> Radek
>
>   
I'm searching around...not that easy :-)


Thank you.

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From fabiolocati at gmail.com  Tue Jun  9 18:18:27 2009
From: fabiolocati at gmail.com (Fabio Locati)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 18:18:27 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12
In-Reply-To: <op.uu7z7yn15z3zlq@home.onkelinx.com>
References: <20090601210229.474e9941@telenet.be>
	<b8e8c9290906071743i58e2e6b3me67f2f4f62a338aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090608205858.78be6733@telenet.be>
	<op.uu7z7yn15z3zlq@home.onkelinx.com>
Message-ID: <3d9482340906090918k665347b6yf32624410ed997a6@mail.gmail.com>

In latest and greates progress mail 12 gprs should work without any issue ;)

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Filip Onkelinx<filip at linux4.be> wrote:
> Hi Rene, Franky,
>
> I've been using GRPS on QtE for several months without major issues. I
> remember I once had to create the device file /dev/ppp
> On my current (old) QtE image, ls -l /dev/ppp gives me:
>
> crw------- 1 root root 108,0 ?Jun 8 16:49 /dev/ppp
>
> you might want to check if you have this device file, and if not try to
> create it with mknod. (you will probably need to add it to the startup
> script )
>
> cheers,
>
> Filip.
>
> On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:58:58 +0200, Franky Van Liedekerke
> <liedekef at telenet.be> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 19:43:40 -0500
>> Rene Horn <the.rhorn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I just tried out this version. ?I'm still having issues with GPRS.
>>> I'd like to be able to fix the issue myself if I could, or at least
>>> point out a possible fix. ?I know it can work because it does under
>>> SHR-Unstable.
>>>
>>> Where should I be looking for this? ?Where is all the GPRS code
>>> located? Where are the scripts?
>>>
>>> Rene
>>
>> I never tried gprs myself (don't have an account), but you can always
>> look at the script in
>>
>> /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/bin/ppp-network
>>
>> The pppd daemon seems to be launched by this script via using sudo. You
>> might want to check that the needed ppp modules are up and running.
>> Also check if the ppp packages are installed.
>>
>> The dialup source is in src/plugins/network/dialing
>> Also read the hint mentioned here:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/community at lists.openmoko.org/msg33030.html
>> and a small howto also here:
>> http://journal.wjsullivan.net/232100.html
>>
>> If you find anything, please let us know, so we can improve the user
>> experience for everybody!
>>
>> Franky
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
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From chris at c-64.mobi  Tue Jun  9 18:26:16 2009
From: chris at c-64.mobi (Chris Syntichakis)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 17:26:16 +0100
Subject: [openwrt] some issues..
Message-ID: <f25610c60906090926l79a1da4bm44035e1a46274f25@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am trying to compile the openwrt for the openmoko.

It seems that the tele.edje file (of paroli) is missing from the
sources, where can I find it?

If I will not include the paroli package, I can install the openwrt on
my freerunner, but the screen
timeout every 2-3 sec, is there any way to get rid of this? Also, as I
see, there is no on screen keyboard...

Thanx

Chris


From lists at nanl.de  Tue Jun  9 18:43:54 2009
From: lists at nanl.de (Mirko Vogt)
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:43:54 +0200
Subject: [openwrt] some issues..
In-Reply-To: <f25610c60906090926l79a1da4bm44035e1a46274f25@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f25610c60906090926l79a1da4bm44035e1a46274f25@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2E914A.6050209@nanl.de>

Chris Syntichakis wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to compile the openwrt for the openmoko.
> 
> It seems that the tele.edje file (of paroli) is missing from the
> sources, where can I find it?
> 
> If I will not include the paroli package, I can install the openwrt on
> my freerunner, but the screen
> timeout every 2-3 sec, is there any way to get rid of this? Also, as I
> see, there is no on screen keyboard...
> 
> Thanx
> 
> Chris
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Hey Chris,

right now a very early version of paroli is packaged.
We're working on getting a recent version packaged and I think it will 
be commited within the next days.
There's work going on related to the Openmoko-stuff right now on lot's 
of parts in trunk, so it might be possible that some upgrades/changes 
break/broke older parts (in this case it might be paroli) which are 
going to be upgraded later anyway.
In case you can't/won't wait, please mention the revision of your 
working copy and and the exact error-message you get when compiling with 
"make V=99".

mirko


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From liedekef at telenet.be  Tue Jun  9 20:44:31 2009
From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 20:44:31 +0200
Subject: [QtExtended] Leonardo's keyboard
In-Reply-To: <4A2E8789.7020105@yahoo.it>
References: <mailman.273.1244559853.32323.community@lists.openmoko.org>
	<4A2E8789.7020105@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <20090609204431.661fcfcd@telenet.be>

On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:02:17 +0200
"giacomo \"giotti\" mariani" <giacomomariani at yahoo.it> wrote:

> 
> >> Hello,
> >> I would like to thank again all developers of QtExtended ?for your
> >> excellent work.
> >> I've some questions for you:
> >> -is there any "return key" on the Leonardo's keyboard (I'm not
> >> able to find it by myself)?
> >>     
> >
> > no
> >
> >   
> I wonder why...

because Leonardo didn't put that in, that's all :-)

<snip> 

> All I find is:
> ls -l /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/etc/dict/*
> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         2340 Jun  1 19:54
> /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/etc/dict/internet.dawg
> 
> /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/etc/dict/en_US:
> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        27988 Jun  1 19:54 common.dawg
> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root       497988 Jun  1 19:54 words.dawg
> 
> Are that binary files the dictionary?
>

yes, these are the files. Now I need to look at the code to find the
correct move to reactivate predictiveness ...

Franky


From david at tuxbrain.com  Tue Jun  9 22:47:56 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:47:56 +0200
Subject: Openmoko planet go crazy???
Message-ID: <5c6ceea80906091347p327c539eoad9aaadcdfcff16d@mail.gmail.com>

planet.openmoko.org Is full of very old posts form Michael Siloh (HI
Michael, wherever you are!) ,John Lee,(a year old a lot of them) and
from gecko, Talpadk a couple of monts old.


-- 
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http://www.tuxbrain.com
Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!


From GNUtoo at no-log.org  Tue Jun  9 23:45:50 2009
From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (GNUtoo)
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:45:50 +0200
Subject: how dangerous Freerunner could be?
In-Reply-To: <4A2C08D3.2090403@gmail.com>
References: <4A2C08D3.2090403@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1244583955.6677.13.camel@port4>

On Sun, 2009-06-07 at 22:37 +0400, ivvmm wrote:
> Hello list
> 
> koolu.com wrongly sent North American variant of devices to our European
> country in a pack. So what we got now is that devices operate only on
> 1800MHz frequency. That's twice bigger than 900MHz.
> 
> How dangerous could it be? I always carry the device near my heart
> because it is needed to for GPS to receive an accurate position.
> 
> How could GSM module be shut down truly? We all know it sends
> control-signals even if turned off.
> 
> 
> Thank you.
There was a post on the planet long time ago with the measurements of
the power of the radio waves emitted(SAR) by diverse phones including
the freerunner...and it end up in the middle of the comparison,that is
to say it was not the best but not the worse.
Denis.






From montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com  Wed Jun 10 00:22:02 2009
From: montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com (Steven **)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 17:22:02 -0500
Subject: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.22
In-Reply-To: <1244260838838-3034171.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1243250505215-2969146.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<d3e504410905270814w661bf65bgdf7b2b55959ae3b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00905271009u4102f924te1c91199198443fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1243491593948-2985771.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b66a83e00906020733j1d230f9n9699f8293727cf1a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244007049734-3016483.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<65c86d230906030244n673a1712nf079ab3ff2fb295@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244086797401-3022613.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<dae089cf0906050923l200d49cfr6884d14e35bad41d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1244260838838-3034171.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <abaa3a210906091522u7645b523wbcb5adfda0dad2e@mail.gmail.com>

The command Launcher pulls from the desktop file seems to have a
character limit that is too short.  I'm guessing you use 45
characters.  That's not necessarily enough...  I finally figured out
that was why one of my apps wasn't launching: Because I had used a
bunch of parameters and the launch was erroring out because Launcher
was dropping part of one of my parameters.

-Steven


From pike-openmoko at kw.nl  Wed Jun 10 00:31:26 2009
From: pike-openmoko at kw.nl (pike)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:31:26 +0200
Subject: Community-driven redesign / new theme for Paroli
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc80906070239w6d5abb6bh5df7c148831d05f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A0E5F8B.1050908@openmoko.org> <4A0E795A.5050203@kw.nl>
	<4A140320.1030201@kw.nl> <4A2ACCEA.7060104@kw.nl>
	<c4cd0cc80906070239w6d5abb6bh5df7c148831d05f1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2EE2BE.1050503@kw.nl>

Hi


> Thanks for thinking and investigating time about paroli look!

Thanks for your reply - I missed it in the bulk.

> I have read your proposal, however I dont really get
> the "sizzle" part (maybe because of my weak english skills).

Well, the 'sizzle' could be anything. I'd like to
see the phone get "excited" once you start touching
it; it can be boring as dead if its laying on the table,
in fact, I'd like that. But when you touch it, ... yes,
I have a sort of erotic concept here :-)

As for the hilites - I understand there is no 'hoover';
but there is a split second before the screen actually
changes. about 0.2 seconds will be exactly enough to
give the feeling it's sizzling :-) I've seen this
behaviour in om2008 - the same green - it was exciting.

>>> I assume
>>> someone (Mirko?) is still leading on development
>>> of paroli.
> 
> That is true, Mirko is still around, and leading paroli
> development.
> Im messing with the gui here and there.
> 

OK, that's good to know. I'm actually not
sure if I'll make the dive into edje soon :-|

>> I don't like
>> edje very much from the looks of it.
> 
> Yeah, Im almost done, with the most basic and urgent
> improvements (back button everywhere).

Great - sorry - that's not what I meant - I
meant, I don't like edje as a gui language.
I was taught there.is.only.xul :-)


nice video btw !

*-pike


From pike-openmoko at kw.nl  Wed Jun 10 00:37:13 2009
From: pike-openmoko at kw.nl (pike)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:37:13 +0200
Subject: Community-driven redesign / new theme for Paroli
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc80905220305q2db82764y67a9b8adfd04a99a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e504410905181355r40c41d62k38928640ee3b4631@mail.gmail.com>
	<c4cd0cc80905210607p2b854be5u31db49454288f1c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c6ceea80905220219h3107f75crc5f3e7370700a4c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<c4cd0cc80905220305q2db82764y67a9b8adfd04a99a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2EE419.3060806@kw.nl>

Hi

>> We are in,
>> task 2 done  you can see and download them  at http://www.tuxbrain.com/node/19

ok - I have similar screenshots at
http://pike.kw.nl/browse/files/projects/pike/2009/om2009/parolishots

I was aiming at a more graphic redesign, so
it includes screenshots with raster keyboard
and paroli-in-illume (which imho should be
considered in the design efforts - most people
will -have to- actually use it windowed).


$2c,
*-pike


From pike-openmoko at kw.nl  Wed Jun 10 01:37:11 2009
From: pike-openmoko at kw.nl (pike)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:37:11 +0200
Subject: Community-driven redesign / new theme for Paroli
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410906061326j944db5di71fef1eddca15f26@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A0E5F8B.1050908@openmoko.org>
	<4A0E795A.5050203@kw.nl>	<4A140320.1030201@kw.nl>
	<4A2ACCEA.7060104@kw.nl>
	<d3e504410906061326j944db5di71fef1eddca15f26@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2EF227.4050200@kw.nl>

Hi

> Hey great! All 'design guidelines' and things like that are great! I'd
> like you to explain more of what's happening in the screenshots. Tell
> what is new, why have you done it, what's the thinking behind it etc.

I find it more easier to explain using pictures :-)
Got a graphic mind I guess.

Take a look at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Bab-1.2-3screens.png

Any good interface has it's on "Rythm & Rhyme". On
a single screen, your eye will catch the hidden grid
and swerve around primary and secondary options in
a split second. This works subliminally - you wouldn't
even notice, but this is what makes an interface
'feel good'. This is even more true for phones, small
screen, use it with one eye and one finger in a busy
environment .. and between screens, your memory will
recognize changes in that "Rythm and Rhyme", too. Yes,
a good interface is much like a poem, or a piece of
music :-)

.. so I was trying to find a grid, a basic layout,
that fits all purposes. At the same time, this grid
should be numberfriendly, as it has to be programmed
in edje. You need "a few classes" of fonts, not a
new font on every page. Same with colors, shades, etc.

So that's basicly what this was
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:BAB-List-default-1.0-grid.png
.. but it's already outdated :-)

Such a grid should include whatever options
you might think of in the future - dialogs, extra
buttons, etc .. so that's basicly this
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:BAB-List-default-1.0.png

For example, this "big blocker bar" (a modal dialog) is not
actually used anywhere, but if it *would* be, it should be
there (there is a modal dialog in the "dial" and
when "sending" an sms, btw). Same for the "informational
bar" - a thing that should hide itself once you touch the
screen imho - its not used anywhere - but if it would
be, it should be right there. And hey, it could say
"52 messages, 4 unread", for an instance, couldnt it ? :-)

 > what is new

As little as possible :-D
But, as I'm sketching and using the phone, a few things
are indeed new and needed imho.

- The "next", "back" paradigm doesnt really work for
   me. I want to know *what* "next" is. "back" is not
   always where I came from. And above that, I don't
   always know where I am (this happens particularly
   in the settings, currently). So I've changed "back"
   and "next" to a virtual "path" and an "action".
   There could be more actions, actually (eg in sms|read,
   you can "delete" and "reply" a message). If you
   click on an action, that should become part of
   your path in the next screen. For example, if
   you are in "Setting | Wifi", the main action is
   "Scan". In the next screen, the path should be
   "Settings | Wifi | Scan". Action and Paths are
   CamelCased.


- the "panel" (the top bar) should be removed in all
   screens if we are in windowed mode imho, because you now
   get two rows of similar icons. Ergo, there can be
   nothing essential in Paroli's panel that's not in the
   Illume panel. And hence, you need a different button
   to "close" a paroli app (like "msgs") when you are
   not in full screen - because the clock should not be here.
   In fact, it should look like a "close" button: if you tap
   around Illume, you will find the "chooser" is still
   hanging around and not responding until you "close"
   the other screen.
   So that's what the funny circle is in the 3rd image at
   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:BAB-List-default-1.0.png
   , a 'close button'.
   I also think the main screen, the launcher, should
   indicate it's waiting for the other app to quit. It
   would not harm if you are in fullscreen (since you won't see
   it) and it would be very beneficial in windowed mode.
   I have a screenshot of that, here ..

- If you look at
   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Bab-1.2-3screens.png
   you'll see there are more ideas - and I have still more
   on paper. Most of them are optional. But I understand,
   doing something like what I sketched in the Launcher
   requires changing the whole way it works (in Python),
   not just changing edje files :-|

   The most important thing is, I think, I differentiate
   between "primary" and "secondary" options:

   The screen is divided in lines.

   Each line can only have one primary, big, white, option.
   If you click it, the background color of the whole line
   quickly hilites before the screen changes.

   A line can have several secondary (small, grey, lowercased)
   options. If you click it, only the font color quickly
   switches before the screen changes.

   I think this differentation is usefull, as it gives a user
   an idea about the "default" action - go forward - and several
   sideoptions - "delete that thing, go back" - without visually
   cluttering the screen.

Anyway .. that's a lot of text. Maybe I should get
into edje. Or maybe I should get XULRunner to work
on my phone :-D

$2c,
*-pike











From risto at kurppa.fi  Wed Jun 10 06:24:23 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:24:23 +0300
Subject: Community-driven redesign / new theme for Paroli
In-Reply-To: <4A2EF227.4050200@kw.nl>
References: <4A0E5F8B.1050908@openmoko.org> <4A0E795A.5050203@kw.nl>
	<4A140320.1030201@kw.nl> <4A2ACCEA.7060104@kw.nl>
	<d3e504410906061326j944db5di71fef1eddca15f26@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A2EF227.4050200@kw.nl>
Message-ID: <d3e504410906092124s21bdb882k3cdbab597aaca5da@mail.gmail.com>

THIS IS BIG!

Thank you pike for the time you've used for this. I see that these
things have some experience and knowledge about usability in it and
I'd certainly like to see this implemented - I'm sure it's easier to
learn how to use. You're so right about the clear division of
primary&secondary etc. Awesome work with the mockups. Please join
#paroli to start learning edje, I'd guess khiraly and
vegyraupe(=mirko) are ready to help you with it.

Keep up the good work!!

Risto

ps. would be nice to get this concept in the wiki so it wouldn't be
lost in the mail archives, would you put it here:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli-themes



-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From shanka.mns at gmail.com  Wed Jun 10 06:43:50 2009
From: shanka.mns at gmail.com (Shashank Bharadwaj)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:13:50 +0530
Subject: Community-driven redesign / new theme for Paroli
In-Reply-To: <4A2EF227.4050200@kw.nl>
References: <4A0E5F8B.1050908@openmoko.org> <4A0E795A.5050203@kw.nl>
	<4A140320.1030201@kw.nl> <4A2ACCEA.7060104@kw.nl>
	<d3e504410906061326j944db5di71fef1eddca15f26@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A2EF227.4050200@kw.nl>
Message-ID: <21361d0d0906092143m131fac84y6076d22605e429cc@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:07 AM, pike<pike-openmoko at kw.nl> wrote:
> But, as I'm sketching and using the phone, a few things
> are indeed new and needed imho.
>
> - The "next", "back" paradigm doesnt really work for
> ? me. I want to know *what* "next" is. "back" is not
> ? always where I came from. And above that, I don't
> ? always know where I am (this happens particularly
> ? in the settings, currently). So I've changed "back"
> ? and "next" to a virtual "path" and an "action".
> ? There could be more actions, actually (eg in sms|read,
> ? you can "delete" and "reply" a message). If you
> ? click on an action, that should become part of
> ? your path in the next screen. For example, if
> ? you are in "Setting | Wifi", the main action is
> ? "Scan". In the next screen, the path should be
> ? "Settings | Wifi | Scan". Action and Paths are
> ? CamelCased.

+1 for this idea.

-- 
Regards
Shashank
As our circle of knowledge expands, so does the circumference of
darkness surrounding it - Albert Einstein


From risto at kurppa.fi  Wed Jun 10 07:07:37 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:07:37 +0300
Subject: OpenBmap
Message-ID: <d3e504410906092207r49f22647k4bfacf0ed8382517@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

I've been able to run openbmap (see opkg.org) for about a week now,
here are some experiences:

- Collecting cell id's is MUCH more easier than contributing to
openstreetmap.org: all you need to do is start the openbmap app, make
sure it has 3d fix, press the 'generate' -button (that'll be renamed
to 'start' or 'log' or something soon :) and off you go. It records
all the cells it sees. When you go inside, press 'quit' or 'stop'.
When you get connected to Internet, press 'Upload'. That's it. (ok,
before uploading you need to register at openbmap.org) -> no need to
go and analyze the saved data afterwards.

- I already discussed with Onen (#openmoko-cdevel) some issues in the
client app (= I have no idea what all the numbers mean and OTOH it'd
be nice to have it work as a daemon eating as little resources as
possible, OTOH it'd be nice to have the possibility to see a
visualization of the data collected)

- about the website www.openbmap.org - it's nice to see the servers
up&running again! I was surprised to get over 700 cells collected by
just driving a car for 250km and taking a train back and taking a bus
for 30 minutes in the city. Hard to believe I'd have seen 700 cells
but if they tell I did.. http://realtimeblog.free.fr/logins_stats.php

- Maps - this is the 'visualization' part of the project and I think
that is what makes people interested and contribute - like every FLOSS
software homepage should have 'screenshots' as one of the main menu
items. Now you can select the country, mobile network, location area
code and single cell to see the coverage there.
(http://realtimeblog.free.fr/with_osm.php?mcc=244&mnc=91&step=2 )

Since all I know is the country code and my cell operator.
- sort the country list alphabetically - people don't have any idea of
country codes (that are not the same as the phone country code:
calling to finland needs +358 but the cell country code is 244...).
- ok, I'm fine with selecting the mobile operator, that's something
most of us know - but maybe sort again alphabetically, not based on
the code none of us has ever seen..
- but selecting the location area code - give me a break! So far we
have 40 - 100 codes for single operator in Finland. If I wanted to
know what's the coverage on the area of my interest, I have to just
try to find the area I want by trying the list. And when I finally
find that, I have to go through all the single cells individually.
Noooot very inspiring.

  -> I think the country should be selected by the map: it should give
the central coordinates and size to be used in the database search
that then returns the information of cells. Different operators could
be visualized by different colour. And then when I zoom in, at some
stage it'd start showing the coverage if individual cells. And then
clicking on a cell coverage area could give me the numbers: country
id, operator, location area core, cell ID etc.. The current way
expects people to want to know the coverage on one operator on one
location area, and single cell instead of finding the cells in one
area - which I really believe is the approach people would use more.

So now we're waiting to be able to use all this information collected
by three projects (opencellid, cellhunter and openbmap -> all the data
has been imported to openbmap so atm it's the biggest & most precise
as most information is collected) to locate Freerunner. It'd be great
to have it somewhere in low levels so that GPS apps could maybe work
on this: some daemon just provides to location information, no matter
if it's a random guess, based on GPS, GSM cells or WLAN base stations.
Until that, please contribute to openbmap, it's easy & fun & the next
version of the client app will have some fixes that make using it even
nicer.


Thanks for everyone who have contributed to this (including the people
of cellhunter & opencellid!)

ps. is it possible to download the whole data as a single file?

r

-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From dehqan65 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 10 07:09:55 2009
From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (a dehqan)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 09:39:55 +0430
Subject: some questions before buying FreeRunner
Message-ID: <267bb6670906092209q3ace2d81h3114427fce7bfb79@mail.gmail.com>

In The Name Of God

I'll be thankful if you guide ;

1-Is it possible that FR GPS does not work in IRAN ? (gsm is
900/1800).and what is GPS antenna for ?

2-Which 8 GB memory Card do you advice for booting
openmoko+androide+debian+qtopia on FR ?and for having them beside each
other on FR is not 4 GB memory enoughe ? what capacity is enoughe ?

3-Can other car chargers be used to charge FR ?
4-Do all Bluetooth headsets work with FR ?
5-What part of non buzz fixed A6 has buzz ?How can we understand if it
is fixed or not ?
6-Dealer has said that it's A6 FR is buzz fixed ,should i trust ? what
can i do if he/she posted it in our country and was not buzz fixed ?

Regards dehqan


From risto at kurppa.fi  Wed Jun 10 07:25:10 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:25:10 +0300
Subject: some questions before buying FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <267bb6670906092209q3ace2d81h3114427fce7bfb79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6670906092209q3ace2d81h3114427fce7bfb79@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d3e504410906092225i191bbe5fg39c0c3926b092f44@mail.gmail.com>

> 1-Is it possible that FR GPS does not work in IRAN ?

Don't think so, it's global and local authorities can do nothing about
it (except tell you not to use GPS)
(gsm is 900/1800).and what is GPS antenna for ?

GPS antenna is there to receive GPS signal. No antenna -> no signal.
Like on your radio: no antenna -> no signal.

> 2-Which 8 GB memory Card do you advice for booting
> openmoko+androide+debian+qtopia on FR ?and for having them beside each
> other on FR is not 4 GB memory enoughe ? what capacity is enoughe ?

I have Sandisk, works nice. And no, if you plan to run all four, I
don't recommend you to get a 4GB one..

> 3-Can other car chargers be used to charge FR ?

Yes, but you need to tell FR (software) to start the charging

> 5-What part of non buzz fixed A6 has buzz ?How can we understand if it
> is fixed or not ?

Open it and see if the resistor and capacitor are there (google for
big-c-fix) - the only way to be sure. But you can ask the distributor,
or just buy a A7 one to be sure.

> 6-Dealer has said that it's A6 FR is buzz fixed ,should i trust ? what
> can i do if he/she posted it in our country and was not buzz fixed ?

If you can't get a A7 and you want the phone then that's all you can
do. At least tuxbrain also sells buzzfixed A6 and I'd trust them: if
the start shipping not-buzzfixed A6 phones claiming they're fixed,
their sales will go down and I don't think they want it. But if they
send you a non-buzzfixed even if you ordered a fixed one send them an
angry e-mail and tell them you'll sue them in IRAN if they will not
fix your FR. That should do it..

By the way all there question e-mails would be a nice FAQ or 'read
this if you plan to buy' if someone just collected them together in
the wiki.. Would you do it?

r

-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From kimaidou at gmail.com  Wed Jun 10 07:31:46 2009
From: kimaidou at gmail.com (kimaidou)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:31:46 +0200
Subject: OpenBmap
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410906092207r49f22647k4bfacf0ed8382517@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e504410906092207r49f22647k4bfacf0ed8382517@mail.gmail.com>
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