" and it works great ;-) >> sorting "by file name" really turns out to be a very good solution. > Not for me ;) Because you find "changing ID3 tags" to be simpler than "changing file names". > I still think that offering several sortings is the way to go Well, ... it's more work. An algorithm that uses both ID3 tags and filenames (mostly just directory names, actually) should be able to accomodate all situations. Stefan From Quakeman1 at gmx.net Wed Mar 4 19:56:19 2009 From: Quakeman1 at gmx.net (Fox Mulder) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:56:19 +0100 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <c30e08170903041029v69f7fcf5sd815b832e71eb1f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <496A356C.90609@gmx.net> <20090111195646.2c63e3d6@nb05-x40> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <c30e08170903041029v69f7fcf5sd815b832e71eb1f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AECED3.8060805@gmx.net> Johny Tenfinger wrote: > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 08:32, Joerg Reisenweber <joerg at openmoko.org> wrote: >>> * Change the led transistor power hungry stuff >> Guys, this has been fixed for *ALL* FR ever sold!!! > > No, no, no. You are right only for GTA02v6. On GTA02v5 (which I have) > this has been fixed only for orange and blue LEDs under POWER button. > Red AUX button is still power hungry - it is eating 50mA. Your mentioned 50mA for the AUX LED is ridiculous. It would burn out with this high current. Normal LEDs only use ~20mA and low current LEDs ~2mA. 50mA would be for a higher power led which isn't build into the freerunner. And when you are on battery the AUX led is off by default and even if it blinks (like i modified my led behaviour) it isn't really much it uses. Ciao, Rainer From prishelec at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 20:20:03 2009 From: prishelec at gmail.com (Leonti Bielski) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 20:20:03 +0100 Subject: illume keyboard - only navigate buttons In-Reply-To: <49A7CBA0.6050805@users.sourceforge.net> References: <815cb1720902260310s16d23b4al6e03adda943835c1@mail.gmail.com> <49A6848C.1050007@hist.no> <815cb1720902270258g3afdb91dwc80041ed875834d9@mail.gmail.com> <49A7CBA0.6050805@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <815cb1720903041120n2948f9bak52b0260b8547d6e5@mail.gmail.com> Thanks! I modified it for my purpose (left only left/right/up/down/page_up/page_down buttons). Is there any way to shrink the keyboard? I mean I have now only one line of buttons but it takes the same amount of space. Is it possible to make the "container" of buttons smaller? Leonti On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Pander <pander at users.sourceforge.net> wrote: > see also > ?http://www.opkg.org/package_144.html > > Leonti Bielski wrote: >> Thanks! >> It's even better than I expected to find! >> Valuable info. >> Leonti >> >> On 2/26/09, Helge Hafting <helge.hafting at hist.no> wrote: >>> Leonti Bielski wrote: >>>> Some time ago on scap.linuxtogo.org I've seen illume keyboard only >>>> with navigate buttons - right, left, up, down and some others. >>>> >>>> I would like to use it for navigation in browsers - right know I use >>>> terminal keyboard to navigate through web-page in links-x11. >>>> Does anyone know where I can find it? >>> A custom keyboard isn't that difficult to make. >>> An illume keyboard is just a textual list of keys: >>> Coordinates for where the key is, how big it is, what function (letter >>> or cursor key) it performs. So you can copy the terminal keyboard file, >>> >>> /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/Terminal.kbd >>> >>> Then you simply delete the keys you don't need from the copy. >>> Finally, make the remaining keys bigger by adjusting their >>> coordinates. >>> >>> To use your new keyboard, save the new file as: >>> /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/Navigation.kbd >>> Bring up the illume keyboard, press the little qwerty icon >>> in the upper right corner, and select your special keyboard >>> from the list. It will be there if you saved the file to the correct folder. >>> >>> Helge Hafting >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Openmoko community mailing list >>> community at lists.openmoko.org >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 20:28:38 2009 From: montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com (Steven **) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:28:38 -0600 Subject: [All] To build a better music player In-Reply-To: <200903041724.18231.david@garabana.com> References: <7654cee60901151017k25f49ee6u64fc0e4eef14bbf0@mail.gmail.com> <200903041637.34500.tanuva@gmail.com> <ffce06340903040806i49d18169q15ca213042cf71ed@mail.gmail.com> <200903041724.18231.david@garabana.com> Message-ID: <abaa3a210903041128x25dc87ceq3fd38520021b868e@mail.gmail.com> Am I the only one that remembers the Qtopia music player? Its interface mimicked the ipod where everything was sorted by artist and/or album. It worked pretty well. The only catch on that player was that you had to manually refresh in order for it to detect newly added files. And then it would process those new files (obviously building up a database). So, it's not a horsepower issue. It's been done on the Neo before. -Steven On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:24 AM, David Garabana Barro <david at garabana.com> wrote: > I think it's a problem of horsepower. If you can, as modern players do, read > all id3 info of all tracks, and process it on a relational database, you can > perfectly sort all your songs by author/album/year/genre/what you want ;) > > But, if doing so is a slow process on my 2.4 GHz desktop, I cannot imagine how > slow would be on the freerunner. From prishelec at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 20:33:15 2009 From: prishelec at gmail.com (Leonti Bielski) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 20:33:15 +0100 Subject: AGPS question In-Reply-To: <20090215151759.GM3078@sygehus.dk> References: <815cb1720902150314q474ff526rcc4d133ed751e03d@mail.gmail.com> <20090215151759.GM3078@sygehus.dk> Message-ID: <815cb1720903041133k23a00f65j46eb0f7e8349e99@mail.gmail.com> I have a second question: In agps package for u-blox you have to provide approximate location of your phone and radius (for example 150 kms). What does it change? If I provide some longitude and latitude and set some huge radius will it affect anything? Is it possible to eliminate it at all? My brother has N95 with Agps and he does not have to provide his location while using agps service. Leonti From andy at openmoko.com Wed Mar 4 20:49:45 2009 From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:49:45 +0000 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <49AECED3.8060805@gmx.net> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <496A356C.90609@gmx.net> <20090111195646.2c63e3d6@nb05-x40> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <c30e08170903041029v69f7fcf5sd815b832e71eb1f7@mail.gmail.com> <49AECED3.8060805@gmx.net> Message-ID: <49AEDB59.4060802@openmoko.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Johny Tenfinger wrote: |> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 08:32, Joerg Reisenweber <joerg at openmoko.org> wrote: |>>> * Change the led transistor power hungry stuff |>> Guys, this has been fixed for *ALL* FR ever sold!!! |> No, no, no. You are right only for GTA02v6. On GTA02v5 (which I have) |> this has been fixed only for orange and blue LEDs under POWER button. |> Red AUX button is still power hungry - it is eating 50mA. | | Your mentioned 50mA for the AUX LED is ridiculous. It would burn out | with this high current. Normal LEDs only use ~20mA and low current LEDs | ~2mA. 50mA would be for a higher power led which isn't build into the | freerunner. | And when you are on battery the AUX led is off by default and even if it | blinks (like i modified my led behaviour) it isn't really much it uses. Johnny Tenfinger is right despite it sounds strange. On some or all A5s there is no base current limit resistor on the bipolar transistor used to light the AUX LED. This "50mA" fault current then flows not through the LED (which has a reasonable series current limit resistor), but through the GPIO IO cell and the driver transistor base. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmu21kACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrRmQCfZqaeELLNiPfCWfJWz2U1cUIq 39EAoI5cfSObn7zEG5m4aaolg2zuj6k9 =kWYq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From baba_melone at yahoo.de Wed Mar 4 20:56:29 2009 From: baba_melone at yahoo.de (hab keen oh ne) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 19:56:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: AW: AW: New accelerometer application, that draws the current perpendicular line and angle In-Reply-To: <e58eb83a0903031406w56e1aa75l11e983555cc9bb69@mail.gmail.com> References: <868424.53890.qm@web26307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <d3e504410903021033p56280066ye7afe2b0e670776b@mail.gmail.com> <338150.15793.qm@web26307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <894619.31908.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <d3e504410903031143t2b1e6ec3y4f8866ca65ac4bf3@mail.gmail.com> <ffce06340903031156t6f1b8514gd98d8249b32c2018@mail.gmail.com> <e58eb83a0903031406w56e1aa75l11e983555cc9bb69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <115967.22792.qm@web26301.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Im sorry I havent tested, what version of SDL is actually necessary, I just used the latest one provided by SHR. Just execute opkg install libsdl-1.2-0 libsdl-ttf opkg install http://www.opkg.org/packages/perpendicular_0.1_armv4t.ipk -force-depends in case your repo doesnt contain a current version. Should work with older ones, too, I guess. BTW: I would be glad if anyone came up with an idea for an icon(or even with an icon), as Im not the expert in graphics and regularly fail in creating nice stuff^^, because I will soon update to a version needing less resources(at the moment, there is no idle time during the execution, it was just planned as a little test app) and then it would be great to offer the ipk with a proper icon for a .desktop file. Greetings, Martin Puffe ________________________________ Von: wp <wpmaillist at gmail.com> An: List for Openmoko community discussion <community at lists.openmoko.org> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 3. M?rz 2009, 23:06:12 Uhr Betreff: Re: AW: New accelerometer application, that draws the current perpendicular line and angle Just install them from openmoko repositories, then it works. http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/ or experimental one. Btw. this app is really nice, I thought about some similar one - instead of line, rolling ball. Maybe in some free time.. On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:56 PM, The Digital Pioneer <digitalpioneer at gmail.com> wrote: > Nope, I get the same error on SHR-unstable. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090304/2491a849/attachment.htm From pander at users.sourceforge.net Wed Mar 4 21:09:32 2009 From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:09:32 +0100 Subject: [All] To build a better music player In-Reply-To: <jwvhc292l0n.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> References: <7654cee60901151017k25f49ee6u64fc0e4eef14bbf0@mail.gmail.com> <200903041724.18231.david@garabana.com> <jwvab8144ll.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> <200903041905.33493.david@garabana.com> <jwvhc292l0n.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> Message-ID: <49AEDFFC.1000301@users.sourceforge.net> Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> Actually, if you only use ID3 info, it's very difficult to do a good job >>> of sorting files: it's basically impossible to reliably figure out which >>> songs are part of the same album and which aren't. You can use >> I've solved all those problems the first times I opened amarok, and >> now it's a pleasure searching for some song, artist, disk, track... >>> heuristics which will work OK in many cases, but sooner or later you'll >>> bump into some songs whose "album" tag says (say) "Anthology" and which >>> are really divided into 4 different albums, some of which are "well >> When you find one, you can allways change track's id3 :) > > Except that those ID3 tags have a clear meaning, and "fixing them" to > get the sorting to work may imply "breaking them" in the sense that the > info they carry is not quite correct any more. > Tho, I guess it depends on the details: in which way did you change the > ID3 info to solve such problems? > >>> behaved" (same artist and year for all their songs), and the others are >>> compilations where every song has a different year/genre/artist. >> Sorting by name has also problems. > > No doubt. > >> If you have songs from several disks or a double album in the same >> folder, you can finish with this playlist: > >> - track 1, disk 1 >> - track 1, disk 2 >> ... >> - track 1, disk n >> - track 2, disk 1 >> - track 2, disk 2 >> ... > > I name them "<DISK>-<TRACK> <TITLE>" and it works great ;-) > >>> sorting "by file name" really turns out to be a very good solution. >> Not for me ;) > > Because you find "changing ID3 tags" to be simpler than "changing > file names". > >> I still think that offering several sortings is the way to go > > Well, ... it's more work. > An algorithm that uses both ID3 tags and filenames (mostly just > directory names, actually) should be able to accomodate all situations. Since many people use ID3 differently and place importance on the tags in different ways, this needs to be configurable. Please see my post with the comment that the filename (path without intelligent breaking down into artist, album etc.) should be used a fall back when no ID3 tags are available. To encourage the use of proper ID3 tags, I would not want to encourage the interpretation of the path naming schemes but propose that customisable way (see other post) of placing highest importance on the ID3 info. > > > > Stefan > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From david at garabana.com Wed Mar 4 21:41:59 2009 From: david at garabana.com (David Garabana Barro) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:41:59 +0100 Subject: [All] To build a better music player In-Reply-To: <jwvhc292l0n.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> References: <7654cee60901151017k25f49ee6u64fc0e4eef14bbf0@mail.gmail.com> <200903041905.33493.david@garabana.com> <jwvhc292l0n.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> Message-ID: <200903042142.01539.david@garabana.com> O M?rcores, 4 de Marzo de 2009, Stefan Monnier escribiu: > Except that those ID3 tags have a clear meaning, and "fixing them" to > get the sorting to work may imply "breaking them" in the sense that the > info they carry is not quite correct any more. > Tho, I guess it depends on the details: in which way did you change the > ID3 info to solve such problems? No, I don't break them for sorting to work, Simply I correct them so I avoid ambiguities. For antologies (or double/triple albums) * Put the same "disk name","year" and "artist name" labels in every track, * Set "track number" and "track name" labels for every track * Set "disk number" label for diferenciating tracks from a disk from tracks from another For compilations, * Put the same "disk name" and "year" in every track * Set "artist name", "track number" and "track name" for every track * Set "disk number" if needed That way, my labels are *completely correct*, and every well behaved player can order my tracks by album... > I name them "<DISK>-<TRACK> <TITLE>" and it works great ;-) Yes, but I have not them named that way ;) > >> sorting "by file name" really turns out to be a very good solution. > > > > Not for me ;) > > Because you find "changing ID3 tags" to be simpler than "changing > file names". No, because I already have all my music with correct id3 tags, but not with homogenous filenames. Doing nothing is simpler than renaming my 15000+ songs :) > An algorithm that uses both ID3 tags and filenames (mostly just > directory names, actually) should be able to accomodate all situations. I hope so -- David Garabana Barro jabber & google talk ID: david at garabana.com Clave p?blica PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090304/fc91c6e5/attachment.pgp From robin.paulson at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 22:28:54 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:28:54 +1300 Subject: AGPS question In-Reply-To: <815cb1720903041133k23a00f65j46eb0f7e8349e99@mail.gmail.com> References: <815cb1720902150314q474ff526rcc4d133ed751e03d@mail.gmail.com> <20090215151759.GM3078@sygehus.dk> <815cb1720903041133k23a00f65j46eb0f7e8349e99@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770903041328q20a5ccc2y7ec2f5b5684f2ca5@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/5 Leonti Bielski <prishelec at gmail.com>: > I have a second question: > > In agps package for u-blox you have to provide approximate location of > your phone and radius (for example 150 kms). > What does it change? If I provide some longitude and latitude and set > some huge radius will it affect anything? > Is it possible to eliminate it at all? > > My brother has N95 with Agps and he does not have to provide his > location while using agps service. it's probably using cell towers to guess at his location there's an app/database being developed so we can do this From marco at marcochapeau.org Thu Mar 5 00:07:15 2009 From: marco at marcochapeau.org (MarcO'Chapeau) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 00:07:15 +0100 Subject: [All] To build a better music player In-Reply-To: <200903042142.01539.david@garabana.com> References: <7654cee60901151017k25f49ee6u64fc0e4eef14bbf0@mail.gmail.com> <200903041905.33493.david@garabana.com> <jwvhc292l0n.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> <200903042142.01539.david@garabana.com> Message-ID: <b2eb4d93cfe12a3320f945b5cd9611a8@localhost> On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:41:59 +0100, David Garabana Barro <david at garabana.com> wrote: >> Because you find "changing ID3 tags" to be simpler than "changing >> file names". > > No, because I already have all my music with correct id3 tags, but not with > > homogenous filenames. Doing nothing is simpler than renaming my 15000+ > songs :) While I do agree with you that Id3 is the way to go, renaming 15000+ tracks properly is not that hard... At least with the right software. You might want to try out a software named EasyTAG. Among a huge amount of features, it is able to name files based on the Id3 info in them :) http://easytag.sourceforge.net/ Cheers, Marc-Olivier Barre. ------ Participez au black-out anti-HADOPI : http://www.laquadrature.net/fr/APPEL-HADOPI-blackout-du-net-francais From nicolas.pichon at luceor.com Thu Mar 5 00:21:46 2009 From: nicolas.pichon at luceor.com (Nicolas Pichon) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 00:21:46 +0100 Subject: AGPS question In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770903041328q20a5ccc2y7ec2f5b5684f2ca5@mail.gmail.com> References: <815cb1720902150314q474ff526rcc4d133ed751e03d@mail.gmail.com> <20090215151759.GM3078@sygehus.dk> <815cb1720903041133k23a00f65j46eb0f7e8349e99@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903041328q20a5ccc2y7ec2f5b5684f2ca5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AF0D0A.1030803@luceor.com> Robin Paulson wrote: >> My brother has N95 with Agps and he does not have to provide his >> location while using agps service. > > it's probably using cell towers to guess at his location > Right. I have a N95 too, and to have AGPS, I had to configure an AGPS server from my phone operator (SFR). I think they give the coordinate of the cell I'm associated to (easy for them to fetch this information). I'll take a look to see if this AGPS server can be used on my FR too. Nicolas. From rask at sygehus.dk Thu Mar 5 00:36:39 2009 From: rask at sygehus.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 00:36:39 +0100 Subject: [fso] no sound card In-Reply-To: <1236183814.11749.1.camel@port4> References: <1236183439.9779.7.camel@ubuntu> <1236183814.11749.1.camel@port4> Message-ID: <20090304233638.GR3078@sygehus.dk> On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 05:23:34PM +0100, GNUtoo wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 16:17 +0000, Hans Zimmerman wrote: > > > > Any pointers where to look for the problem/solution? > on SHR i had a problem with sound too: > no /dev/dsp was present That might not be a sign of trouble because /dev/dsp is the old Open Sound System (OSS) interface. These days, ALSA is the norm and lives in the /dev/snd directory. Three useful commands to try out (and example output with just the built in sound card available): $ lsmod | grep -E -e '^sound|^snd[_ ]' snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753 8808 0 snd_soc_s3c24xx_i2s 4568 1 snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753 snd_soc_s3c24xx 5192 1 snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753 snd_soc_wm8753 34228 2 snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753 snd_soc_core 46548 4 snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753,snd_soc_s3c24xx_i2s,snd_soc_s3c24xx,snd_soc_wm8753 snd_pcm_oss 45736 0 snd_mixer_oss 15304 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 75564 4 snd_soc_s3c24xx,snd_soc_core,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 21212 1 snd_pcm snd_page_alloc 6824 1 snd_pcm snd 50852 8 snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753,snd_soc_wm8753,snd_soc_core,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 6796 1 snd (The modules snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss are for the kernel level OSS emulation.) $ ls -l /dev/snd total 0 crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 0 Jan 30 00:04 controlC0 crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 24 Jan 30 00:04 pcmC0D0c crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 16 Jan 30 00:04 pcmC0D0p crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 25 Jan 30 00:04 pcmC0D1c crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 17 Jan 30 00:04 pcmC0D1p crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 33 Jan 30 00:04 timer $ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [neo1973gta02 ]: WM8753 - neo1973-gta02 neo1973-gta02 (WM8753) -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year From Quakeman1 at gmx.net Thu Mar 5 01:19:07 2009 From: Quakeman1 at gmx.net (Fox Mulder) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:19:07 +0100 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <49AEDB59.4060802@openmoko.com> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <496A356C.90609@gmx.net> <20090111195646.2c63e3d6@nb05-x40> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <c30e08170903041029v69f7fcf5sd815b832e71eb1f7@mail.gmail.com> <49AECED3.8060805@gmx.net> <49AEDB59.4060802@openmoko.com> Message-ID: <49AF1A7B.9090208@gmx.net> Andy Green wrote: > Somebody in the thread at some point said: > | Johny Tenfinger wrote: > |> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 08:32, Joerg Reisenweber <joerg at openmoko.org> > wrote: > |>>> * Change the led transistor power hungry stuff > |>> Guys, this has been fixed for *ALL* FR ever sold!!! > |> No, no, no. You are right only for GTA02v6. On GTA02v5 (which I have) > |> this has been fixed only for orange and blue LEDs under POWER button. > |> Red AUX button is still power hungry - it is eating 50mA. > | > | Your mentioned 50mA for the AUX LED is ridiculous. It would burn out > | with this high current. Normal LEDs only use ~20mA and low current LEDs > | ~2mA. 50mA would be for a higher power led which isn't build into the > | freerunner. > | And when you are on battery the AUX led is off by default and even if it > | blinks (like i modified my led behaviour) it isn't really much it uses. > > Johnny Tenfinger is right despite it sounds strange. On some or all A5s > there is no base current limit resistor on the bipolar transistor used > to light the AUX LED. > > This "50mA" fault current then flows not through the LED (which has a > reasonable series current limit resistor), but through the GPIO IO cell > and the driver transistor base. If this is the problem than it really is a bad design flaw... Maybe i should test the AUX LED on my gta02v5 how much current it uses when it is on. From monnier at iro.umontreal.ca Thu Mar 5 03:08:00 2009 From: monnier at iro.umontreal.ca (Stefan Monnier) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:08:00 -0500 Subject: [All] To build a better music player References: <7654cee60901151017k25f49ee6u64fc0e4eef14bbf0@mail.gmail.com> <200903041905.33493.david@garabana.com> <jwvhc292l0n.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> <200903042142.01539.david@garabana.com> Message-ID: <jwvfxhszps1.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> >> Except that those ID3 tags have a clear meaning, and "fixing them" to >> get the sorting to work may imply "breaking them" in the sense that the >> info they carry is not quite correct any more. >> Tho, I guess it depends on the details: in which way did you change the >> ID3 info to solve such problems? > No, I don't break them for sorting to work, Simply I correct them so I avoid > ambiguities. > For antologies (or double/triple albums) > * Put the same "disk name","year" and "artist name" labels in every track, > * Set "track number" and "track name" labels for every track > * Set "disk number" label for diferenciating tracks from a disk from tracks > from another > For compilations, > * Put the same "disk name" and "year" in every track > * Set "artist name", "track number" and "track name" for every track > * Set "disk number" if needed > That way, my labels are *completely correct*, and every well behaved player > can order my tracks by album... Yes, those settings are correct, but they still won't work right if you have several compilation albums of the same year with the same title. Stefan From monnier at iro.umontreal.ca Thu Mar 5 03:11:49 2009 From: monnier at iro.umontreal.ca (Stefan Monnier) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:11:49 -0500 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <496A356C.90609@gmx.net> <20090111195646.2c63e3d6@nb05-x40> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <c30e08170903041029v69f7fcf5sd815b832e71eb1f7@mail.gmail.com> <49AECED3.8060805@gmx.net> Message-ID: <jwvab80zpla.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> > Your mentioned 50mA for the AUX LED is ridiculous. It is. Sadly it's also true. > And when you are on battery the AUX led is off by default and even if it > blinks (like i modified my led behaviour) it isn't really much it uses. Indeed, it's not lit very often... I'll let you guess why that is. Stefan From tommy.b at gmx.net Thu Mar 5 03:52:46 2009 From: tommy.b at gmx.net (Thomas B) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 03:52:46 +0100 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <49AF1A7B.9090208@gmx.net> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <496A356C.90609@gmx.net> <20090111195646.2c63e3d6@nb05-x40> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <c30e08170903041029v69f7fcf5sd815b832e71eb1f7@mail.gmail.com> <49AECED3.8060805@gmx.net> <49AEDB59.4060802@openmoko.com> <49AF1A7B.9090208@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20090305025246.GA23040@tommy-desktop> On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 01:19:07AM +0100, Fox Mulder wrote: > Andy Green wrote: > > Johnny Tenfinger is right despite it sounds strange. On some or all A5s > > there is no base current limit resistor on the bipolar transistor used > > to light the AUX LED. > > > > This "50mA" fault current then flows not through the LED (which has a > > reasonable series current limit resistor), but through the GPIO IO cell > > and the driver transistor base. > > If this is the problem than it really is a bad design flaw... > Maybe i should test the AUX LED on my gta02v5 how much current it uses > when it is on. Ouch. I just tested mine, and the AUX LED really uses that much (about 50mA). Does a SOP exist to fix this? Regards, Thomas From carllobo at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 04:08:26 2009 From: carllobo at gmail.com (Carl Lobo) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:38:26 +0530 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Bluetooth won't connect In-Reply-To: <ffce06340903031901vd721016j898cb5f1ead72c00@mail.gmail.com> References: <ffce06340903031901vd721016j898cb5f1ead72c00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <df0f90190903041908k184a545g38262c106cb9f283@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Are you using bluez3 or bluez4. Remoko doesn't work with bluez4. bluetoothd is the daemon for bluez4 and hidd/hcid etc. for bluez3. From cchandel at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 05:34:42 2009 From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 20:34:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [fso] no sound card In-Reply-To: <1236183439.9779.7.camel@ubuntu> References: <1236183439.9779.7.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <1236227682266-2427397.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Hans Zimmerman wrote: > > I do no longer seem to have a sound card in my FreeRunner as it is not > found. The freerunner is running fso milestone 5.1 with opkg update && > opkg > upgrade. > Well, I have this problem too - and I really haven't had the time to pipe up on the fso or this list. Do the following :- modprobe snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753 modprobe snd-pcm-oss alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/stereoout.state restore You'll get the sound card back. I keep these lines in a sh script - and use it everytime I reboot. HTH. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-fso--no-sound-card-tp2423797p2427397.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From cchandel at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 06:13:35 2009 From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:13:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Feedback on FSO 5.1 Message-ID: <1236230015317-2427488.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, I've been using FSO 5.1 for some time now and here is some (late - I know) feedback. I'm using 5.1 with Qi and the standard kernel. 1. The snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753, modprobe snd-pcm-oss modules do not get loaded automatically on startup. 2. I also need to set up the stereoout.state after startup. 3. Need to install libmad to get mp3 ringtones working. 4. After requesting resource Display / CPU and releasing them - automatic dimming and suspending stops working (I'm using a rule to suspend the freerunner if it's not charging). I think there is a fix for this already. 5. Need the devel packages for elementary. I've tried the svn and the new version has neat sliders. Can we look at moving to the newer version or is that unlikely because of the probable dependencies on eina/ecore etc? In that case can we have the devel versions in the repository? 6. Can you point me to some place where I can read up on how to patch the build process for FSO packages? I want to patch mplayer to use tremor instead of libvorbis. It's an option in mplayer (and there might be some breakage too) but where and how so I start any of such stuff? 7. Can rules.yaml be made more flexible such as for eg to allow me to use the aux button to choose amongst three volume settings during a call? 8. And to have user configurable brightness settings apart from changing rules.yaml and reloading the rules. (Maybe the values could be picked up from another file and used thereafter. Just a thought.) 9. Would like to know how to get my bluetooth headset working in the interim - till things get all set up in FSO itself. :-) 10. frameworkd uses upto 70% CPU when changing cells. This is for a brief period - but 70%? Isn't that too high? Or is that hit because of python - something we need to live with or are there (possible) methods for reducing such usage to more acceptable limits? Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Feedback-on-FSO-5.1-tp2427488p2427488.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 06:37:07 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 23:37:07 -0600 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Bluetooth won't connect In-Reply-To: <df0f90190903041908k184a545g38262c106cb9f283@mail.gmail.com> References: <ffce06340903031901vd721016j898cb5f1ead72c00@mail.gmail.com> <df0f90190903041908k184a545g38262c106cb9f283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <ffce06340903042137o277e9e46s62c4932b2f641c70@mail.gmail.com> I seem to have version 3. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090304/fee5d9e5/attachment.htm From joerg at openmoko.org Thu Mar 5 06:55:22 2009 From: joerg at openmoko.org (Joerg Reisenweber) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:55:22 +0100 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <49AECED3.8060805@gmx.net> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <c30e08170903041029v69f7fcf5sd815b832e71eb1f7@mail.gmail.com> <49AECED3.8060805@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200903050655.31795.joerg@openmoko.org> Am Mi 4. M?rz 2009 schrieb Fox Mulder: > Johny Tenfinger wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 08:32, Joerg Reisenweber <joerg at openmoko.org> wrote: > >>> * Change the led transistor power hungry stuff > >> Guys, this has been fixed for *ALL* FR ever sold!!! > > > > No, no, no. You are right only for GTA02v6. On GTA02v5 (which I have) > > this has been fixed only for orange and blue LEDs under POWER button. > > Red AUX button is still power hungry - it is eating 50mA. > > Your mentioned 50mA for the AUX LED is ridiculous. It would burn out > with this high current. Normal LEDs only use ~20mA and low current LEDs > ~2mA. 50mA would be for a higher power led which isn't build into the > freerunner. > And when you are on battery the AUX led is off by default and even if it > blinks (like i modified my led behaviour) it isn't really much it uses. > > Ciao, > Rainer The power is consumed by driving a common-emitter transistor driver for LED without base resistor. Current flows from GPIO via base to emitter, and it for sure had been wiser to drive LED directly from GPIO ;-), instead of burning 40mA base current for 10mA collector current. (ballpark numbers) For the non-fixed AUX LED: I wasn't aware these versions have been sold :-/ cheers jOERG -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090305/5001a8d8/attachment.pgp From san_dimitri at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 07:18:22 2009 From: san_dimitri at yahoo.com (sandilya b) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:18:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: problem with wifi Message-ID: <532151.5332.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi All, I am having problem while connecting my openmoko Neo FreeRunner 1973 to my wifi. I followed the wiki and added my WPA entry in wpa_supplicant file. Similarly I followed all the other instructions. Still No results. I am following this link. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi When I do #ifup eth0 It keeps telling No lease, failing. What should i do? -Sandy From fercerpav at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 08:25:40 2009 From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:25:40 +0300 Subject: Flashing GSM firmware In-Reply-To: <E805C680-2DE8-4BD9-9B12-5E3954A1E727@roadknightlabs.com> (Steve dillo Okay's message of "Mon\, 23 Feb 2009 15\:26\:10 +0100") References: <mailman.1211.1235360901.15778.community@lists.openmoko.org> <E805C680-2DE8-4BD9-9B12-5E3954A1E727@roadknightlabs.com> Message-ID: <m2ljrk5t3f.fsf@home.pavel.comp> Steve 'dillo Okay <armadilo at roadknightlabs.com> writes: > I'm trying to flash my GSM firmware and running into a problem. > I get to the point where I run the fluid command line and it just > sits there. Basically the idea is that in one terminal you run fluid with right parameters, and in the other you powercycle the modem. Sometimes powercycling is needed more than once (while fluid still stays at (reset target)). And make sure no app accesses GSM. Also i'd recommend to use the latest stable or any recent andy-tracking kernel, but it's not strictly necessary. > Here's the output of what I'm typing in the main window: > root at om-gta02:/usr/sbin# echo 0 >/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm- > gsm.0/power_on > root at om-gta02:/usr/sbin# echo 1 >/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm- > gsm.0/power_on > root at om-gta02:/usr/sbin# s3c24xx-gpio b7=0 > root at om-gta02:/usr/sbin# echo "AT at POFF" >/dev/ttySAC0 > root at om-gta02:/usr/sbin# FLUID_PORT=/dev/ttySAC0 FLUID_FLOWCONTROL=h > fluid.exe \ > -oO -b 115200\ > -f /home/root/gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0- > moko10.m0 All this steps except starting fluid.exe are not strictly necessary and i'd recommend to start fluid like that: FLUID_PORT=/dev/ttySAC0 fluid.exe -oo -od13,13 -f <path_to_moko11_bin> Notice i use ROM bootloader and moko11 firmware. In the other terminal something like this should be enough: > root at om-gta02:/usr/sbin# echo 0 >/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm- > gsm.0/power_on > root at om-gta02:/usr/sbin# echo 1 >/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm- > gsm.0/power_on > root at om-gta02:/usr/sbin# s3c24xx-gpio b7=0 If fluid doesn't pass the (reset target) state, repeat this steps. Basically it's like i described. Alternatively, try Joerg's uSD automated image: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/moko11/flash-moko11_uSD-image.tar.gz It works and reliably flashes the firmware for you. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com From mailing at superzell.fr Thu Mar 5 09:10:34 2009 From: mailing at superzell.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ga=EBl_HERMET?=) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 09:10:34 +0100 Subject: USB Audio - working on SHR testing with Hercules DJ CONSOLE MKII Message-ID: <49AF88FA.2050402@superzell.fr> Hi all, I tried last night to connect my DJ CONSOLE on the USB (in host mode set via shr-settings) and I was suprised when I saw that's just work I could play some MP3 via MPlayer (mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=1,0 your_mp3_file) I dont't know if it's interesting somebody but I think it is. Have a good day everybody ;) From robin.paulson at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 09:26:31 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:26:31 +1300 Subject: Another attempt at speeding up yaouh, with persistent connections In-Reply-To: <49AD07B8.6030608@hist.no> References: <1236023693621-2411310.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770903022211y7a22b8aer9405a2fc008cfa1c@mail.gmail.com> <49AD07B8.6030608@hist.no> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770903050026k6e0aba9ar9e56087d56840e51@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/3 Helge Hafting <helge.hafting at hist.no>: > The tiles have 5-digit names, so the max would be 100000 ? i think it only uses as many digits as necessary - i.e. there are never any triling zeroes. if you look at antarctica, there are numbers up to 130,000 for zoom 17. if tango ever supports zoom 18, then there's potential for 260,000 per directory. is it likely, that anyone will have more than 250 per directory? i dunno, but i recall a certain prophecy that 640kb of ram...something, something > Anyway, that could be a problem. With hundred thousand tiles and about > 60 byte per URL, pythm would send a 7.5MB parameter list to a invocation > of curl. That can easily be trimmed down to 950kB by only sending file > names. Still, it'd be interesting to know if the freerunner can handle > that at all. A pc usually can. > > A loop can be used to limit this to something sane, like 1000 files or > so. But do anyone actually have that many files? I just checked my > 50.000 tiles, and found no more than 250 tiles in any directory. Perhaps > a large square area at zoom 17? From andy at openmoko.com Thu Mar 5 10:03:40 2009 From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 09:03:40 +0000 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <20090305025246.GA23040@tommy-desktop> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <496A356C.90609@gmx.net> <20090111195646.2c63e3d6@nb05-x40> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <c30e08170903041029v69f7fcf5sd815b832e71eb1f7@mail.gmail.com> <49AECED3.8060805@gmx.net> <49AEDB59.4060802@openmoko.com> <49AF1A7B.9090208@gmx.net> <20090305025246.GA23040@tommy-desktop> Message-ID: <49AF956C.10204@openmoko.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 01:19:07AM +0100, Fox Mulder wrote: |> Andy Green wrote: |>> Johnny Tenfinger is right despite it sounds strange. On some or all A5s |>> there is no base current limit resistor on the bipolar transistor used |>> to light the AUX LED. |>> |>> This "50mA" fault current then flows not through the LED (which has a |>> reasonable series current limit resistor), but through the GPIO IO cell |>> and the driver transistor base. |> If this is the problem than it really is a bad design flaw... |> Maybe i should test the AUX LED on my gta02v5 how much current it uses |> when it is on. | | Ouch. I just tested mine, and the AUX LED really uses that much (about | 50mA). Does a SOP exist to fix this? No there's no real hardware fix that's practical. We could have done something extreme like PWM the enable by software in FIQ ISR, but it would result in dim AUX LED even so, since the LED is not seeing the excess current but just normally lit. It was fixed on A6, I'm afraid we just have to let it lie and not use the AUX LED much as pointed out unless we're on external power. Overall, it's a small issue about small excess current on one GPIO that spends 99.9% of its life off anyway, as a customer this would bother me so much less than the buzz or bass issues it wouldn't really bother me at all. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmvlWwACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrppwCfcfKKKjYBRZtU3/OkBmteMeA8 2CcAoI0olr8DO0vo8I8n5YYPhNWr7Dxb =flcr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From helge.hafting at hist.no Thu Mar 5 10:38:56 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:38:56 +0100 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <49AF956C.10204@openmoko.com> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <496A356C.90609@gmx.net> <20090111195646.2c63e3d6@nb05-x40> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <c30e08170903041029v69f7fcf5sd815b832e71eb1f7@mail.gmail.com> <49AECED3.8060805@gmx.net> <49AEDB59.4060802@openmoko.com> <49AF1A7B.9090208@gmx.net> <20090305025246.GA23040@tommy-desktop> <49AF956C.10204@openmoko.com> Message-ID: <49AF9DB0.1000303@hist.no> Andy Green wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Somebody in the thread at some point said: > | On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 01:19:07AM +0100, Fox Mulder wrote: > |> Andy Green wrote: > |>> Johnny Tenfinger is right despite it sounds strange. On some or all A5s > |>> there is no base current limit resistor on the bipolar transistor used > |>> to light the AUX LED. > |>> > |>> This "50mA" fault current then flows not through the LED (which has a > |>> reasonable series current limit resistor), but through the GPIO IO cell > |>> and the driver transistor base. > |> If this is the problem than it really is a bad design flaw... > |> Maybe i should test the AUX LED on my gta02v5 how much current it uses > |> when it is on. > | > | Ouch. I just tested mine, and the AUX LED really uses that much (about > | 50mA). Does a SOP exist to fix this? > > No there's no real hardware fix that's practical. > > We could have done something extreme like PWM the enable by software in > FIQ ISR, but it would result in dim AUX LED even so, since the LED is > not seeing the excess current but just normally lit. > > It was fixed on A6, I'm afraid we just have to let it lie and not use > the AUX LED much as pointed out unless we're on external power. Now that's an idea. How about using it as a battery charging indicator? the orange thing can be used for other purposes then. Helge Hafting From openmoko at ginguppin.de Thu Mar 5 11:03:11 2009 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:03:11 +0100 Subject: problem with wifi In-Reply-To: <532151.5332.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <532151.5332.qm@web45306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <op.uqbcvl0l41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de> > It keeps telling No lease, failing. What should i do? you could start with providing more informations and asking on the appropriate list. - what distribution - what kernel - does your wpa_supplicant.conf work on other systems the right list would be support at ..., not community at ... nad, please, prefix the subject always with yout distribution's name. From helge.hafting at hist.no Thu Mar 5 11:05:34 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:05:34 +0100 Subject: AGPS question In-Reply-To: <815cb1720903041133k23a00f65j46eb0f7e8349e99@mail.gmail.com> References: <815cb1720902150314q474ff526rcc4d133ed751e03d@mail.gmail.com> <20090215151759.GM3078@sygehus.dk> <815cb1720903041133k23a00f65j46eb0f7e8349e99@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AFA3EE.9010204@hist.no> Leonti Bielski wrote: > I have a second question: > > In agps package for u-blox you have to provide approximate location of > your phone and radius (for example 150 kms). > What does it change? If I provide some longitude and latitude and set > some huge radius will it affect anything? > Is it possible to eliminate it at all? > It is not really needed, it merely speeds up TTFF somewhat. Uploading almanac and ephemeris really helps, as this necessary information then don't need to be downloaded slowly from the satellites. An approximate location helps further. A wrong location may delay the first fix instead, or make the device fail. > My brother has N95 with Agps and he does not have to provide his > location while using agps service. An AGPS setup don't have to use a location. Or the approximate location can be supplied automatically as the tower location. You are necessarily within 20km of the tower - much closer if in a city. The tower can supply its location, or the phone can have a database of all tower locations. The latter approach is the more realistic approach for openmoko users. They rather helps building a cell database, than pay for AGPS service. Helge Hafting From helge.hafting at hist.no Thu Mar 5 11:12:27 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:12:27 +0100 Subject: Another attempt at speeding up yaouh, with persistent connections In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770903050026k6e0aba9ar9e56087d56840e51@mail.gmail.com> References: <1236023693621-2411310.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770903022211y7a22b8aer9405a2fc008cfa1c@mail.gmail.com> <49AD07B8.6030608@hist.no> <2f3aa2770903050026k6e0aba9ar9e56087d56840e51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AFA58B.50509@hist.no> Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/3/3 Helge Hafting <helge.hafting at hist.no>: >> The tiles have 5-digit names, so the max would be 100000 ? > > i think it only uses as many digits as necessary - i.e. there are > never any triling zeroes. if you look at antarctica, there are numbers > up to 130,000 for zoom 17. if tango ever supports zoom 18, then > there's potential for 260,000 per directory. is it likely, that anyone > will have more than 250 per directory? i dunno, but i recall a certain > prophecy that 640kb of ram...something, something > There could be problems. If that happens, I can program a loop to solve it. So far, nobody reported such problems. Perhaps nobody has huge collections of zoom 17 tiles - or maybe python has no problem invoking curl with a 7MB parameter list. Fixing this in advance is a better approach - but I'd rather spend time on a much better fix using libcurl. That would speed yaouh up further also. But this have to wait until someone ports pycurl to the freerunner. Helge Hafting From chris at csamuel.org Thu Mar 5 11:13:56 2009 From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:13:56 +1100 Subject: latest qt extended? In-Reply-To: <200902211433.26673.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> References: <200902211433.26673.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> Message-ID: <200903052113.59408.chris@csamuel.org> On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:33:22 pm Glen Ogilvie wrote: > I am looking for one with the echo and WSOD fixes in it. For the 4.4.2 I have a replacement libneovendor.so library that has (as the only change) the echo suppression fix. http://www.csamuel.org/2009/01/08/echo-suppression-fix-for-qt-extended-442-on-openmoko-neo Both the patch and the compiled library are there. cheers! Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090305/a35953ea/attachment.pgp From michael_zanetti at gmx.net Thu Mar 5 11:18:52 2009 From: michael_zanetti at gmx.net (Michael Zanetti) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:18:52 +0100 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <49AF9DB0.1000303@hist.no> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <49AF956C.10204@openmoko.com> <49AF9DB0.1000303@hist.no> Message-ID: <200903051118.53031.michael_zanetti@gmx.net> On Thursday 05 March 2009 10:38:56 Helge Hafting wrote: > Andy Green wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Somebody in the thread at some point said: > > | On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 01:19:07AM +0100, Fox Mulder wrote: > > |> Andy Green wrote: > > |>> Johnny Tenfinger is right despite it sounds strange. On some or all > > |>> A5s there is no base current limit resistor on the bipolar transistor > > |>> used to light the AUX LED. > > |>> > > |>> This "50mA" fault current then flows not through the LED (which has a > > |>> reasonable series current limit resistor), but through the GPIO IO > > |>> cell and the driver transistor base. > > |> > > |> If this is the problem than it really is a bad design flaw... > > |> Maybe i should test the AUX LED on my gta02v5 how much current it uses > > |> when it is on. > > | > > | Ouch. I just tested mine, and the AUX LED really uses that much (about > > | 50mA). Does a SOP exist to fix this? > > > > No there's no real hardware fix that's practical. > > > > We could have done something extreme like PWM the enable by software in > > FIQ ISR, but it would result in dim AUX LED even so, since the LED is > > not seeing the excess current but just normally lit. > > > > It was fixed on A6, I'm afraid we just have to let it lie and not use > > the AUX LED much as pointed out unless we're on external power. > > Now that's an idea. How about using it as a battery charging indicator? > the orange thing can be used for other purposes then. > Thats how it is used currently in Om2008.x. Now that I know of the issue I think it would make sense to change the framework to also use this LED as the battery indicator.... I also like to use the Orange/Blue LEDs to indicate the current USB mode state: Off -> Device Mode + Networking Orange -> Device Mode + Storage Blue -> Host Mode Blue+Orange -> Powered Host mode Using Orange/Blue as a charging indicator wastes all 4 LEDs to just indicate charging/not charging... The red one is useless due to this bug. The orange and blue are busy because of the charging indication and you can't use the violet mode because you can't reuse the orange and blue ones... So, please consider changing the framework to use the red LED to indicate the battery charge state. Michael From andy at openmoko.com Thu Mar 5 11:33:58 2009 From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:33:58 +0000 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <200903051118.53031.michael_zanetti@gmx.net> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <49AF956C.10204@openmoko.com> <49AF9DB0.1000303@hist.no> <200903051118.53031.michael_zanetti@gmx.net> Message-ID: <49AFAA96.7030700@openmoko.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: |>> It was fixed on A6, I'm afraid we just have to let it lie and not use |>> the AUX LED much as pointed out unless we're on external power. |> Now that's an idea. How about using it as a battery charging indicator? |> the orange thing can be used for other purposes then. | | Thats how it is used currently in Om2008.x. Now that I know of the issue I | think it would make sense to change the framework to also use this LED as the | battery indicator.... | So, please consider changing the framework to use the red LED to indicate the | battery charge state. I don't have any influence over that assignment in any rootfs. But there's a lot of flexibility about how to tell which LED what you want it to show. The existing charging LED stuff is done with LED Triggers http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/leds-class.txt;h=6399557cdab3d6542a0feea0c0cd2c6b2af5ffad;hb=68f30b2e0d0f04093b491052690db3fee382090a But actually there are a lot of triggers including one for SD card access. You can use /sys to assign a particular LED to be under the control of a particular trigger. So you can assign the AUX LED to be controlled by the charging trigger just with an echo. I did not find a way myself to list the triggers available in the kernel otherwise I would mention it; if someone found one I'm also interested to know. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmvqpYACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpmAQCfUyFrcZZP27U28TXBTu3S0Igj GW8An1aKgS3bEm30U5ggMScBDt2UZ/PL =Ru2m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chris at csamuel.org Thu Mar 5 11:47:05 2009 From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:47:05 +1100 Subject: Om2009 release plan In-Reply-To: <1236010496.6800.1143.camel@alap> References: <1236010496.6800.1143.camel@alap> Message-ID: <200903052147.08493.chris@csamuel.org> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 3:14:56 am Angus Ainslie wrote: > simple phone book (no images) Any chance that would use or import existing vcard files ? cheers, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. 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Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090305/f593bf65/attachment.pgp From mickey at openmoko.org Thu Mar 5 11:50:00 2009 From: mickey at openmoko.org (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:50:00 +0100 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <49AFAA96.7030700@openmoko.com> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <49AF956C.10204@openmoko.com> <49AF9DB0.1000303@hist.no> <200903051118.53031.michael_zanetti@gmx.net> <49AFAA96.7030700@openmoko.com> Message-ID: <1236250200.10602.171.camel@andromeda> Am Donnerstag, den 05.03.2009, 10:33 +0000 schrieb Andy Green: > I did not find a way myself to list the triggers available in the kernel > otherwise I would mention it; if someone found one I'm also interested > to know. root at om-gta02:/sys/class/leds/gta02-aux:red# cat trigger [none] nand-disk battery-charging-or-full battery-charging battery-full adapter-online usb-online ac-online timer heartbeat netdev backlight rfkill0 mmc1 From gecco at napodano.com Thu Mar 5 11:49:48 2009 From: gecco at napodano.com (Carlo Minucci) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:49:48 +0100 Subject: Yaouh! 0.5.1 out Message-ID: <49AFAE4C.1090805@napodano.com> * delete freespace check and progress bar * now work with tangogps default config file * work in SHR too (i hope :) ) * change icon with a picture taken during my holiday in Vespa :) http://www.opkg.org/package_105.html From fercerpav at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 11:51:10 2009 From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:51:10 +0300 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <49AFAA96.7030700@openmoko.com> (Andy Green's message of "Thu\, 05 Mar 2009 10\:33\:58 +0000") References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <49AF956C.10204@openmoko.com> <49AF9DB0.1000303@hist.no> <200903051118.53031.michael_zanetti@gmx.net> <49AFAA96.7030700@openmoko.com> Message-ID: <m2hc285jkx.fsf@home.pavel.comp> Andy Green <andy at openmoko.com> writes: > > So, please consider changing the framework to use the red LED to > > indicate the > > battery charge state. ... > I did not find a way myself to list the triggers available in the kernel > otherwise I would mention it; if someone found one I'm also interested > to know. Probably this is what you're talking about: debian-gta02:/sys# cat /sys/class/leds/gta02-aux:red/trigger [none] rfkill0 nand-disk rfkill1 mmc0 adapter-online usb-online ac-online battery-charging-or-full battery-charging battery-full timer netdev backlight After activating a trigger some additional parameters become available in the same dir, e.g. after activating netdev device_name, interval, mode appear. As to the original question, one changes frameworkd rules in /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml to use any led he likes for whatever event. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com From andy at openmoko.com Thu Mar 5 11:56:49 2009 From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:56:49 +0000 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <m2hc285jkx.fsf@home.pavel.comp> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <49AF956C.10204@openmoko.com> <49AF9DB0.1000303@hist.no> <200903051118.53031.michael_zanetti@gmx.net> <49AFAA96.7030700@openmoko.com> <m2hc285jkx.fsf@home.pavel.comp> Message-ID: <49AFAFF1.3060106@openmoko.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Andy Green <andy at openmoko.com> writes: |>> So, please consider changing the framework to use the red LED to |>> indicate the |>> battery charge state. | ... |> I did not find a way myself to list the triggers available in the kernel |> otherwise I would mention it; if someone found one I'm also interested |> to know. | | Probably this is what you're talking about: | | debian-gta02:/sys# cat /sys/class/leds/gta02-aux:red/trigger | [none] rfkill0 nand-disk rfkill1 mmc0 adapter-online usb-online | ac-online battery-charging-or-full battery-charging battery-full timer | netdev backlight Ah there we go. I guess it's pretty much every reason you would like to light an LED from kernel side, gsm rfkill is missing but I'm not sure anyone wants to burn the battery just knowing that the GSM modem is powered all the time. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmvr/EACgkQOjLpvpq7dMppHQCgj5H1Fg4xDsw6OpRdgM6V9FjM CcIAoIpW7Ip3qI55Gu0BtjEROpDDD/k9 =IQ+X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nicola.mfb at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 12:40:33 2009 From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:40:33 +0100 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Bluetooth won't connect In-Reply-To: <ffce06340903042137o277e9e46s62c4932b2f641c70@mail.gmail.com> References: <ffce06340903031901vd721016j898cb5f1ead72c00@mail.gmail.com> <df0f90190903041908k184a545g38262c106cb9f283@mail.gmail.com> <ffce06340903042137o277e9e46s62c4932b2f641c70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <359c5480903050340h12574f55m85ae3dc5e4f34b5b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/5, The Digital Pioneer <digitalpioneer at gmail.com>: > I seem to have version 3. > To pair you have to use passkey-agent, or modify /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf in orderd to autopair incoming connection with a static pin. Regards Nicola From timo.jyrinki at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 12:42:10 2009 From: timo.jyrinki at gmail.com (Timo Jyrinki) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:42:10 +0200 Subject: [SHR-ustable] gprs is also unstable In-Reply-To: <49AEBF05.6060504@kapitein.org> References: <49A45B07.20205@gmail.com> <815cb1720903031342o7bf0b34euc20194e8005cd8b2@mail.gmail.com> <200903041421.49449.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <49AEBF05.6060504@kapitein.org> Message-ID: <68da43e00903050342y551ce128id6686827f0241b35@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/4 Ed Kapitein <ed at kapitein.org>: > ?Ticket #2223 is also open and might apply to SHR-ustable as well. The GPRS disconnecting behavior can also be seen on Om2008.12, if using gsm0710muxd. The explanation in the ticket (near the ends) sounds reasonable, compared to my experiences. -Timo From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 5 12:42:31 2009 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:42:31 +0000 Subject: Another attempt at speeding up yaouh, with persistent connections In-Reply-To: <49AFA58B.50509@hist.no> References: <1236023693621-2411310.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770903050026k6e0aba9ar9e56087d56840e51@mail.gmail.com> <49AFA58B.50509@hist.no> Message-ID: <200903051142.31909.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Thursday 05 March 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: > Fixing this in advance is a better approach - but I'd rather spend time > on a much better fix using libcurl. That would speed yaouh up further > also. But this have to wait until someone ports pycurl to the freerunner. No porting needed - pycurl is in OE. bitbake python-pycurl From helge.hafting at hist.no Thu Mar 5 12:56:06 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 12:56:06 +0100 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80903040858q22f1363bk5b2578ea8759416e@mail.gmail.com> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <49AE62D0.8070105@hist.no> <200903041427.12578.joerg@openmoko.org> <5c6ceea80903040858q22f1363bk5b2578ea8759416e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AFBDD6.8070705@hist.no> David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: > any sop on the bass fix? > Not yet, jsut descriptions of workarounds. Two small capacitors needs to be replaced with much bigger ones. Unfortunately, they are in a shielded enclosure where there apparently isn't room for sufficiently big capacitors. One aproach then, is to put the big caps outside the shield, and use wires to connect them inside. But that might lead buzz into the shielded unit - not recommended. Another approach is to short-circuit those small capacitors, and put big capacitors on the headset wire instead. But that means only that one headset fits your freerunner. I have suggested a refinement on the second approach: short the small capacitors. Add big caps outside the shielded unit - there are places with room. But don't put wires from the caps into the shielded unit. Connect them to the headset plug instead, and break the plug's normal connection to the circuit board. This approach won't pick up any more buzz than the headset based solution, or the current bassless setup. And you can use any headset you want. The big question is - is it safe to short those small capacitors? Or will that have other side effects, such as draining the battery or disturbing sound on the built-in speaker? Another question - is a single big capacitor enough, if it is put into the ground line instead of having one cap for each of the stereo channels? Or will that wreck stereo sound? One could then use a even bigger cap. There is lots of easily accessible room next to the battery, above the SIM card. Helge Hafting From mjrauhal at cc.helsinki.fi Thu Mar 5 13:50:19 2009 From: mjrauhal at cc.helsinki.fi (Mikko Rauhala) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 14:50:19 +0200 Subject: Musings on Android, OpenMoko and Linux on phones Message-ID: <1236257419.8507.105.camel@phantom.hip> I wrote a response on Android, OpenMoko, and Linux on phones in general to a recent LWN article on Android, critical of their development phone (in the latest weekly edition, not yet viewable by non-paying visitors). Then I expanded that reply into an article in my blog (which has both Finnish and English articles depending on the subject and my mood): http://mjr.iki.fi/blog/index.php?/archives/43-Freedom-to-Phone.html (Also links to the LWN article and stuff are to be found there.) And since I'm making this posting anyway, I'll just reproduce the text here too for your convenience, should you be interested in the read. Cheers. Freedom to Phone I wrote a longish comment on Android, OpenMoko, and GNU/Linux on phones as a response to an LWN article on Android (the linked article is viewable by paid subscribers only until around March 11th I think, after which it's free for all to read). As a quick summary, the article is disappointed that the unlocked development version of the Android G1 phone doesn't allow installation of most of the applications from Google App Store (due to DRM enforcement being impossible with the unlocked phone, perish the thought?), and problems getting updated firmware delivered for it (while the locked version does get updates). Anyway, I decided to extend my reply into a blog article as well since it ended up being a nice update on my views and hopes on these matters. I'm of the opinion that both Android and OpenMoko are good for one thing: getting commodity Linux-supporting phones out there on the market, hopefully some of them working with wholly free software on the Linux system side (like the OpenMoko Freerunner, for all its other lackings [it being my current phone by the way, though no, I still don't recommend it for the normal user], and unlike the G1). I would sincerely hope OpenMoko, as the pioneer in this respect, will make it at least as a hardware company with the abovementioned focus. Failing that, one hopes some of the future Android hardware manufacturers will come out with products that meet this criteria. Hell, I wouldn't terribly mind it if OpenMoko became an Android phone developer (in fact, a port of Android for their current phones is well underway). Like other Android sellers, they'd probably have to sell locked versions to gain access to those consumers not wanting to be shut out from the majority of the (oppressive?) App Store, but as long as there'd be a choice to get an unlocked phone with its freedom unimpaired (be it under the "developer version" moniker like with the G1 or not), I'd be sufficiently okay with that. In the end, if any of these scenarios work out, we won't be unwillingly limited to that wholly non-Linuxy Android thing that just happens to run on the Linux kernel, or even OpenMoko's OpenEmbedded derivative which I personally find somewhat inconvenient as well (though it at least uses standard components such as X). Rather, those of us who want a truly flexible GNU/Linux system with no silly restrictions and good app compatibility on our phone could run something like Debian with the more-GNU/Linuxy-than-Android freesmartphone.org phone stack (once that matures, which wasn't quite yet when I tried it last fall). And incidentally, props to OpenMoko for spurring the development of said stack. I might not like their distro a great deal, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate their free software development efforts in general ? even if things go more slowly and erratically than one would like. So here's hoping for commoditization of phone hardware and more free Linux drivers for the embedded space as well. And sure, why not that Android VM's port to X so we can run apps written for it, at least those of the non-DRM'd variety, on our generic GNU/Linux/X11 phones ;) PS: To be fair to the G1 and the Google team, it does seem surprisingly low on proprietary stuff considering the earlier Open Handset Alliance PR about everything being able to be closed up, "yay". The biggest (and most problematic) piece is of course ? tah-dah ? the OpenGL driver (which can be done without in a pinch, but one then wouldn't rather pay for the GPU either), and there were a couple of others as well. Taking an Android dev at his word on an IRC conversation on #openmoko, apparently the dev team do try to influence openness in the actual implementations as well, which is good, even if the success is limited. PPS: Yeah, the Freerunner has a GPU with no OpenGL drivers so far at least, but to be fair, the chip isn't so capable on that front that this would be a big deal ;/ "Looked better on paper." It does do some stuff, like mpeg-4 decoding with a patched mplayer, though all and all, it ended up being more trouble than worth and is ditched in the next generation of OM hardware. I just mention it so nobody else feels obligated to after my G1 GPU comment ;) -- Mikko Rauhala <mjr at iki.fi> - http://www.iki.fi/mjr/blog/ The Finnish Pirate Party - http://piraattipuolue.fi/ World Transhumanist Association - http://transhumanism.org/ Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 14:28:49 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:28:49 -0600 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Bluetooth won't connect In-Reply-To: <359c5480903050340h12574f55m85ae3dc5e4f34b5b@mail.gmail.com> References: <ffce06340903031901vd721016j898cb5f1ead72c00@mail.gmail.com> <df0f90190903041908k184a545g38262c106cb9f283@mail.gmail.com> <ffce06340903042137o277e9e46s62c4932b2f641c70@mail.gmail.com> <359c5480903050340h12574f55m85ae3dc5e4f34b5b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <ffce06340903050528l1535356i580dbe68ebd02c9c@mail.gmail.com> I wonder if Remoko isn't working, since after running it, it just prints out that it's trying to connect to Remoko server infinitely. It also locks up and you have to kill it to make it quit. Anyone know why Remoko would be incompatible with SHR-unstable? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090305/cb8ce5ee/attachment.htm From risto at kurppa.fi Thu Mar 5 14:39:43 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 15:39:43 +0200 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Bluetooth won't connect In-Reply-To: <ffce06340903050528l1535356i580dbe68ebd02c9c@mail.gmail.com> References: <ffce06340903031901vd721016j898cb5f1ead72c00@mail.gmail.com> <df0f90190903041908k184a545g38262c106cb9f283@mail.gmail.com> <ffce06340903042137o277e9e46s62c4932b2f641c70@mail.gmail.com> <359c5480903050340h12574f55m85ae3dc5e4f34b5b@mail.gmail.com> <ffce06340903050528l1535356i580dbe68ebd02c9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <d3e504410903050539m3a3c4d91x631c47c1f1c0c11b@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:28 PM, The Digital Pioneer <digitalpioneer at gmail.com> wrote: > I wonder if Remoko isn't working, since after running it, it just prints out > that it's trying to connect to Remoko server infinitely. It also locks up > and you have to kill it to make it quit. Anyone know why Remoko would be > incompatible with SHR-unstable? Maybe http://code.google.com/p/remoko/issues/detail?id=5 ? r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 14:45:19 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:45:19 -0600 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Bluetooth won't connect In-Reply-To: <d3e504410903050539m3a3c4d91x631c47c1f1c0c11b@mail.gmail.com> References: <ffce06340903031901vd721016j898cb5f1ead72c00@mail.gmail.com> <df0f90190903041908k184a545g38262c106cb9f283@mail.gmail.com> <ffce06340903042137o277e9e46s62c4932b2f641c70@mail.gmail.com> <359c5480903050340h12574f55m85ae3dc5e4f34b5b@mail.gmail.com> <ffce06340903050528l1535356i580dbe68ebd02c9c@mail.gmail.com> <d3e504410903050539m3a3c4d91x631c47c1f1c0c11b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <ffce06340903050545u509b96eenf389ed8c6cc7b357@mail.gmail.com> OK, problem was remoko-server wasn't installed (opkg dep didn't work or something) so now it appears to work OK, but it never moves past the waiting for connection screen, it just sits there. 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Ops, I did a mistake while reading, it seems an answer for another question :))) Regards Nicola From karadog at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 15:04:12 2009 From: karadog at gmail.com (HouYu Li) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 22:04:12 +0800 Subject: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released In-Reply-To: <200903052149.54813.chris@csamuel.org> References: <200903052149.54813.chris@csamuel.org> Message-ID: <ea736a480903050604j413072c2o2bbcc410aa1bd12f@mail.gmail.com> I made a qt-extended 4.4.3 release binary only build. you can get it here http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/ rootfs come later... On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Chris Samuel <chris at csamuel.org> wrote: > Just noticed that the files for the release of 4.4.3 (source only so far) > have > just appeared on the Qt Extended site whilst I was looking around. More > info > in the posting by Lorn here: > > http://qtextended.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=54 > > cheers, > Chris > -- > Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC > > This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. > For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Developer Red Hat Certified Engineer Shanghai, China -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090305/9f706d2b/attachment.htm From triveros at enable.cl Thu Mar 5 15:12:30 2009 From: triveros at enable.cl (Tomas Riveros Schober) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:12:30 -0300 Subject: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released In-Reply-To: <ea736a480903050604j413072c2o2bbcc410aa1bd12f@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903052149.54813.chris@csamuel.org> <ea736a480903050604j413072c2o2bbcc410aa1bd12f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AFDDCE.1060703@enable.cl> now that was fast....did you by chance check if the echo fix was integrated or not? do we have to integrate it ourselves? (im talking about chris samuel's fix) Tom HouYu Li escribi?: > I made a qt-extended 4.4.3 release binary only build. you can get it here > > http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/ > <http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/%7Elihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/> > > rootfs come later... > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Chris Samuel <chris at csamuel.org > <mailto:chris at csamuel.org>> wrote: > > Just noticed that the files for the release of 4.4.3 (source only > so far) have > just appeared on the Qt Extended site whilst I was looking around. > More info > in the posting by Lorn here: > > http://qtextended.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=54 > > cheers, > Chris > -- > Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC > > This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. > For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org <mailto:community at lists.openmoko.org> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > -- > Best Regards > > HouYu Li, Karajan > > karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com <http://hotmail.com> > karadog (at) gmail.com <http://gmail.com> > lihouyu (at) phpex.net <http://phpex.net> > > PHP Developer > Red Hat Certified Engineer > > Shanghai, China > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From tonyberth at googlemail.com Thu Mar 5 15:15:28 2009 From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 15:15:28 +0100 Subject: [SHR - Latest unstable] TangoGPS Message-ID: <3494db260903050615h3ab59df1uf2b09e1fc0372562@mail.gmail.com> after installing the latest SHR-unstable immage and tried to edit the tangoGPS config parameters, when saving the application crashes! This wasn't the case with the previous image and the 0.9.3 tangoGPS version! Any tip how to correct that? Thanks Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090305/1685736f/attachment.htm From GNUtoo at no-log.org Thu Mar 5 15:20:28 2009 From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (GNUtoo) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:20:28 +0100 Subject: [fso] no sound card In-Reply-To: <20090304233638.GR3078@sygehus.dk> References: <1236183439.9779.7.camel@ubuntu> <1236183814.11749.1.camel@port4> <20090304233638.GR3078@sygehus.dk> Message-ID: <1236262828.9229.1.camel@port4> On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 00:36 +0100, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote: > These days, ALSA is the norm and lives in the > /dev/snd directory. Three useful commands to try out (and example > output > with just the built in sound card available): > > $ lsmod | grep -E -e '^sound|^snd[_ ]' > snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753 8808 0 > snd_soc_s3c24xx_i2s 4568 1 snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753 > snd_soc_s3c24xx 5192 1 snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753 > snd_soc_wm8753 34228 2 snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753 > snd_soc_core 46548 4 > snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753,snd_soc_s3c24xx_i2s,snd_soc_s3c24xx,snd_soc_wm8753 > snd_pcm_oss 45736 0 I know but I was told that OSS was faster I also didn't look into alsa...I just created the device node and it worked again Denis. From guru at unixarea.de Thu Mar 5 15:40:56 2009 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 15:40:56 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.9] vncviewer vnc_3.3.7-r0 but scrolling does not work Message-ID: <20090305144056.GA12789@rebelion.Sisis.de> Hi, I've installed vnc_3.3.7-r0 in my FR; the remote desktop comes up in the FR screen with scrollbars (because the real desktop is 1024x768 which does not fit in 480x640 of the FR screen); so far so good; you may scroll it once in only one direction on both scrollbars, but it does not scroll back :-(( Thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e <matthias.apitz at oclc.org> - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ From karadog at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 15:46:03 2009 From: karadog at gmail.com (HouYu Li) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 22:46:03 +0800 Subject: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released In-Reply-To: <49AFDDCE.1060703@enable.cl> References: <200903052149.54813.chris@csamuel.org> <ea736a480903050604j413072c2o2bbcc410aa1bd12f@mail.gmail.com> <49AFDDCE.1060703@enable.cl> Message-ID: <ea736a480903050646l5acba151i3cbaafc850f43fc7@mail.gmail.com> Just had a test. Echo is there, and incoming call is received twice. I am using rootfs and kernel from openmoko daily build 20090120. So the kernel is 2.6.24. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Tomas Riveros Schober <triveros at enable.cl>wrote: > now that was fast....did you by chance check if the echo fix was > integrated or not? do we have to integrate it ourselves? (im talking > about chris samuel's fix) > > Tom > > HouYu Li escribi?: > > I made a qt-extended 4.4.3 release binary only build. you can get it here > > > > http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/<http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/%7Elihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/> > > <http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/%7Elihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/> > > > > rootfs come later... > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Chris Samuel <chris at csamuel.org > > <mailto:chris at csamuel.org>> wrote: > > > > Just noticed that the files for the release of 4.4.3 (source only > > so far) have > > just appeared on the Qt Extended site whilst I was looking around. > > More info > > in the posting by Lorn here: > > > > http://qtextended.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=54 > > > > cheers, > > Chris > > -- > > Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC > > > > This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. > > For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org <mailto:community at lists.openmoko.org> > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Best Regards > > > > HouYu Li, Karajan > > > > karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com <http://hotmail.com> > > karadog (at) gmail.com <http://gmail.com> > > lihouyu (at) phpex.net <http://phpex.net> > > > > PHP Developer > > Red Hat Certified Engineer > > > > Shanghai, China > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Developer Red Hat Certified Engineer Shanghai, China -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090305/e9ac1749/attachment.htm From giesbert at exactt.de Thu Mar 5 15:55:47 2009 From: giesbert at exactt.de (Max Giesbert) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:55:47 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.9] vncviewer vnc_3.3.7-r0 but scrolling does not work In-Reply-To: <20090305144056.GA12789@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20090305144056.GA12789@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <49AFE7F3.3040000@exactt.de> I know this behavior from the desktop. There you have to use a right mouse click to scroll backwards... Dunno how to get a right click on the Freerunner though... Matthias Apitz schrieb: > Hi, > > I've installed vnc_3.3.7-r0 in my FR; the remote desktop comes up in the > FR screen with scrollbars (because the real desktop is 1024x768 which > does not fit in 480x640 of the FR screen); so far so good; you may > scroll it once in only one direction on both scrollbars, but it does not > scroll back :-(( > > Thx > > matthias From daniel at benoy.name Thu Mar 5 16:01:41 2009 From: daniel at benoy.name (Daniel Benoy) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:01:41 -0500 Subject: Detecting ethernet gadget connections Message-ID: <200903051001.41804.daniel@benoy.name> I'm working on a script that will detect which network interfaces are connected and mess with the routing accordingly, but I'm having trouble detecting whether my USB ethernet gadget connection is up or down. ---- ethtool when it's up: lisa:~# ethtool usb0 Settings for usb0: Link detected: yes ethtool when it's down: lisa:~# ethtool usb0 Settings for usb0: Link detected: yes ---- Unlike on the host side, the usb0 interface doesn't appear and disappear, allowing udev scripts to bring up/down the interface. Anyone know if there's a way to detect that a network connection has actually been established? -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name From djdas at djdas.net Thu Mar 5 16:02:10 2009 From: djdas at djdas.net (DJDAS) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:02:10 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.9] vncviewer vnc_3.3.7-r0 but scrolling does not work In-Reply-To: <49AFE7F3.3040000@exactt.de> References: <20090305144056.GA12789@rebelion.Sisis.de> <49AFE7F3.3040000@exactt.de> Message-ID: <49AFE972.6070601@djdas.net> Max Giesbert ha scritto: > I know this behavior from the desktop. There you have to use a right > mouse click to scroll backwards... > > Dunno how to get a right click on the Freerunner though... > > Use your right finger :P From triveros at enable.cl Thu Mar 5 16:03:38 2009 From: triveros at enable.cl (Tomas Riveros Schober) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 12:03:38 -0300 Subject: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released In-Reply-To: <ea736a480903050646l5acba151i3cbaafc850f43fc7@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903052149.54813.chris@csamuel.org> <ea736a480903050604j413072c2o2bbcc410aa1bd12f@mail.gmail.com> <49AFDDCE.1060703@enable.cl> <ea736a480903050646l5acba151i3cbaafc850f43fc7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AFE9CA.5050208@enable.cl> can you try to set up a wlan connection (or a gprs one) and check if resolv.conf gets updated properly? that's one of the biggest flaws that old QtE had the rootfs you're using is fso, right? regards, Tom HouYu Li escribi?: > Just had a test. Echo is there, and incoming call is received twice. I > am using rootfs and kernel from openmoko daily build 20090120. So the > kernel is 2.6.24. > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Tomas Riveros Schober > <triveros at enable.cl <mailto:triveros at enable.cl>> wrote: > > now that was fast....did you by chance check if the echo fix was > integrated or not? do we have to integrate it ourselves? (im talking > about chris samuel's fix) > > Tom > > HouYu Li escribi?: > > I made a qt-extended 4.4.3 release binary only build. you can > get it here > > > > http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/ > <http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/%7Elihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/> > > <http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/%7Elihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/> > > > > rootfs come later... > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Chris Samuel <chris at csamuel.org > <mailto:chris at csamuel.org> > > <mailto:chris at csamuel.org <mailto:chris at csamuel.org>>> wrote: > > > > Just noticed that the files for the release of 4.4.3 (source > only > > so far) have > > just appeared on the Qt Extended site whilst I was looking > around. > > More info > > in the posting by Lorn here: > > > > http://qtextended.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=54 > > > > cheers, > > Chris > > -- > > Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC > > > > This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not > panic. > > For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > <mailto:community at lists.openmoko.org> > <mailto:community at lists.openmoko.org > <mailto:community at lists.openmoko.org>> > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Best Regards > > > > HouYu Li, Karajan > > > > karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com <http://hotmail.com> > <http://hotmail.com> > > karadog (at) gmail.com <http://gmail.com> <http://gmail.com> > > lihouyu (at) phpex.net <http://phpex.net> <http://phpex.net> > > > > PHP Developer > > Red Hat Certified Engineer > > > > Shanghai, China > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org <mailto:community at lists.openmoko.org> > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org <mailto:community at lists.openmoko.org> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > -- > Best Regards > > HouYu Li, Karajan > > karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com <http://hotmail.com> > karadog (at) gmail.com <http://gmail.com> > lihouyu (at) phpex.net <http://phpex.net> > > PHP Developer > Red Hat Certified Engineer > > Shanghai, China > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From guru at unixarea.de Thu Mar 5 16:06:51 2009 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:06:51 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.9] vncviewer vnc_3.3.7-r0 but scrolling does not work In-Reply-To: <49AFE7F3.3040000@exactt.de> References: <20090305144056.GA12789@rebelion.Sisis.de> <49AFE7F3.3040000@exactt.de> Message-ID: <20090305150651.GA13407@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Thursday, March 05, 2009 a las 03:55:47PM +0100, Max Giesbert escribi?: > I know this behavior from the desktop. There you have to use a right > mouse click to scroll backwards... > > Dunno how to get a right click on the Freerunner though... I've never seen this before on my real desktop because it was always bigger than the remote one; I've just tested VNC Viewer Free Edition 4.1.2 for X - built Mar 21 2008 21:39:25 in FreeBSD and made the window small enough that the scrollbars showed up; you may move in both directions with left click into the free area or you fixate left button and move the scrollbar freely with the mouse pointer; this has to be a bug in the ported version or the port itself; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e <matthias.apitz at oclc.org> - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ From filip at linux4.be Thu Mar 5 16:14:45 2009 From: filip at linux4.be (Filip Onkelinx) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:14:45 +0100 Subject: Detecting ethernet gadget connections In-Reply-To: <200903051001.41804.daniel@benoy.name> References: <200903051001.41804.daniel@benoy.name> Message-ID: <op.uqbravdz5z3zlq@pc-filonk.visysglobal.local> which kernel ? you might want to check this one: /sys/class/net/usb0/operstate F. On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:01:41 +0100, Daniel Benoy <daniel at benoy.name> wrote: > I'm working on a script that will detect which network interfaces are > connected and mess with the routing accordingly, but I'm having trouble > detecting whether my USB ethernet gadget connection is up or down. > > ---- > ethtool when it's up: > lisa:~# ethtool usb0 > Settings for usb0: > Link detected: yes > > ethtool when it's down: > lisa:~# ethtool usb0 > Settings for usb0: > Link detected: yes > ---- > > Unlike on the host side, the usb0 interface doesn't appear and > disappear, allowing udev scripts to bring up/down the interface. > > Anyone know if there's a way to detect that a network connection has > actually been established? > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From helge.hafting at hist.no Thu Mar 5 16:19:17 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:19:17 +0100 Subject: [SHR - Latest unstable] TangoGPS In-Reply-To: <3494db260903050615h3ab59df1uf2b09e1fc0372562@mail.gmail.com> References: <3494db260903050615h3ab59df1uf2b09e1fc0372562@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AFED75.4090300@hist.no> Tony Berth wrote: > after installing the latest SHR-unstable immage and tried to edit the > tangoGPS config parameters, when saving the application crashes! > > This wasn't the case with the previous image and the 0.9.3 tangoGPS version! > > Any tip how to correct that? > Install tangogps 0.9.3, edit settings, upgrade to 0.9.6 :-( Actually, the folder for gps tracks can be edited The map folder cannot, but that can be worked around using a symlink instead. You might want to let the tangogps developer know too, it might get fixed in the next version then. Helge Hafting From madhatter at teaparty.net Thu Mar 5 16:22:08 2009 From: madhatter at teaparty.net (Tom Yates) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 15:22:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Flashing GSM firmware In-Reply-To: <m2ljrk5t3f.fsf@home.pavel.comp> References: <mailman.1211.1235360901.15778.community@lists.openmoko.org> <E805C680-2DE8-4BD9-9B12-5E3954A1E727@roadknightlabs.com> <m2ljrk5t3f.fsf@home.pavel.comp> Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0903051519060.2226@risby.home.teaparty.net> On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Paul Fertser wrote: > Alternatively, try Joerg's uSD automated image: > http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/moko11/flash-moko11_uSD-image.tar.gz > > It works and reliably flashes the firmware for you. yaaay joerg and thank you! i just safely and efficiently upgraded both my freerunners with that image. if you are not aged 22 and thus do not have the eyes of an eagle (i'm not, and i don't) you may need a magnifying glass to read the screen properly, esp. when the text goes blue-on-blue. you may wish to get the magnifying glass ready first, instead of going into a panic when it's already running, like i did. if anyone else is minded to try it, there are a few more details at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#uSD-card_Image . -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net From pander at users.sourceforge.net Thu Mar 5 16:24:19 2009 From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:24:19 +0100 Subject: Free email to SMS Message-ID: <49AFEEA3.8010706@users.sourceforge.net> HAs anyone tried this one yet? http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/email-to-sms/ From karadog at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 16:30:26 2009 From: karadog at gmail.com (HouYu Li) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:30:26 +0800 Subject: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released In-Reply-To: <49AFE9CA.5050208@enable.cl> References: <200903052149.54813.chris@csamuel.org> <ea736a480903050604j413072c2o2bbcc410aa1bd12f@mail.gmail.com> <49AFDDCE.1060703@enable.cl> <ea736a480903050646l5acba151i3cbaafc850f43fc7@mail.gmail.com> <49AFE9CA.5050208@enable.cl> Message-ID: <ea736a480903050730j589cba86s9ad9dc579d103d0f@mail.gmail.com> I have tried wifi. Everything seems OK. I can visit Google and Facebook as expected. Did not check whether resolv.conf is updated properly. But I am not able to delete the created Wireless Lan profile. Haven't tried the GPRS connection. Yes. I am using fso rootfs. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Tomas Riveros Schober <triveros at enable.cl>wrote: > can you try to set up a wlan connection (or a gprs one) and check if > resolv.conf gets updated properly? that's one of the biggest flaws that > old QtE had > the rootfs you're using is fso, right? > > regards, > Tom > > HouYu Li escribi?: > > Just had a test. Echo is there, and incoming call is received twice. I > > am using rootfs and kernel from openmoko daily build 20090120. So the > > kernel is 2.6.24. > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Tomas Riveros Schober > > <triveros at enable.cl <mailto:triveros at enable.cl>> wrote: > > > > now that was fast....did you by chance check if the echo fix was > > integrated or not? do we have to integrate it ourselves? (im talking > > about chris samuel's fix) > > > > Tom > > > > HouYu Li escribi?: > > > I made a qt-extended 4.4.3 release binary only build. you can > > get it here > > > > > > http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/<http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/%7Elihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/> > > <http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/%7Elihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/> > > > <http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/%7Elihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/> > > > > > > rootfs come later... > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Chris Samuel <chris at csamuel.org > > <mailto:chris at csamuel.org> > > > <mailto:chris at csamuel.org <mailto:chris at csamuel.org>>> wrote: > > > > > > Just noticed that the files for the release of 4.4.3 (source > > only > > > so far) have > > > just appeared on the Qt Extended site whilst I was looking > > around. > > > More info > > > in the posting by Lorn here: > > > > > > http://qtextended.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=54 > > > > > > cheers, > > > Chris > > > -- > > > Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC > > > > > > This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not > > panic. > > > For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Openmoko community mailing list > > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > <mailto:community at lists.openmoko.org> > > <mailto:community at lists.openmoko.org > > <mailto:community at lists.openmoko.org>> > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Best Regards > > > > > > HouYu Li, Karajan > > > > > > karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com <http://hotmail.com> > > <http://hotmail.com> > > > karadog (at) gmail.com <http://gmail.com> <http://gmail.com> > > > lihouyu (at) phpex.net <http://phpex.net> <http://phpex.net> > > > > > > PHP Developer > > > Red Hat Certified Engineer > > > > > > Shanghai, China > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Openmoko community mailing list > > > community at lists.openmoko.org <mailto:community at lists.openmoko.org> > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org <mailto:community at lists.openmoko.org> > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Best Regards > > > > HouYu Li, Karajan > > > > karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com <http://hotmail.com> > > karadog (at) gmail.com <http://gmail.com> > > lihouyu (at) phpex.net <http://phpex.net> > > > > PHP Developer > > Red Hat Certified Engineer > > > > Shanghai, China > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Developer Red Hat Certified Engineer Shanghai, China -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090305/8416d3c5/attachment.htm From tonyberth at googlemail.com Thu Mar 5 16:34:05 2009 From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:34:05 +0100 Subject: [SHR - Latest unstable] TangoGPS In-Reply-To: <49AFED75.4090300@hist.no> References: <3494db260903050615h3ab59df1uf2b09e1fc0372562@mail.gmail.com> <49AFED75.4090300@hist.no> Message-ID: <3494db260903050734x502e8c8ar109f889654492be3@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Helge Hafting <helge.hafting at hist.no> wrote: > Tony Berth wrote: > > after installing the latest SHR-unstable immage and tried to edit the > > tangoGPS config parameters, when saving the application crashes! > > > > This wasn't the case with the previous image and the 0.9.3 tangoGPS > version! > > > > Any tip how to correct that? > > > Install tangogps 0.9.3, edit settings, upgrade to 0.9.6 :-( > > Actually, the folder for gps tracks can be edited > The map folder cannot, but that can be worked around using a symlink > instead. > > You might want to let the tangogps developer know too, it might get > fixed in the next version then. > > Helge Hafting > > so the problem is within tangoGPS in that specific version? Nothing to do with SHR? Can't I upgrade from 0.9.5? Where can I find 0.9.3? Thanks Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090305/8dd6d44a/attachment.htm From will.siddall at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 16:53:29 2009 From: will.siddall at gmail.com (Will Siddall) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:53:29 -0400 Subject: Free email to SMS In-Reply-To: <49AFEEA3.8010706@users.sourceforge.net> References: <49AFEEA3.8010706@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <bf0911a00903050753p2c8b4208q68c5e0fc0e7fa920@mail.gmail.com> Hey Pander, This is a great tool but it does have it's limitations. Most of the time, you have to be aware of what you attach to your emails and how many characters you use. Just the sheer fact that you can send emails to an SMS receiver is still great though. One down fall is the SMS receiver's carrier. Some carriers are starting to restrict use of the email-to-SMS conversion (to some degree) a paid service. I live in Canada and the only GSM provider in the area is Rogers. They've completely locked out this service to a degree that if you receive an SMS from email, the receiver is notified that a message has arrived and will have to agree to pay a fee to receive it. Unless someone has found ways around this matter, I would look into it a bit more before you start sending off massive amounts of joke mail to all of your phone pals. Will On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Pander <pander at users.sourceforge.net> wrote: > HAs anyone tried this one yet? > > http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/email-to-sms/ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From nytowl at openmoko.org Thu Mar 5 17:15:10 2009 From: nytowl at openmoko.org (Angus Ainslie) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 09:15:10 -0700 Subject: Free email to SMS In-Reply-To: <bf0911a00903050753p2c8b4208q68c5e0fc0e7fa920@mail.gmail.com> References: <49AFEEA3.8010706@users.sourceforge.net> <bf0911a00903050753p2c8b4208q68c5e0fc0e7fa920@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236269710.7037.23.camel@alap> On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 11:53 -0400, Will Siddall wrote: > Hey Pander, > This is a great tool but it does have it's limitations. Most of the > time, you have to be aware of what you attach to your emails and how > many characters you use. Just the sheer fact that you can send emails > to an SMS receiver is still great though. > One down fall is the SMS receiver's carrier. Some carriers are > starting to restrict use of the email-to-SMS conversion (to some > degree) a paid service. I live in Canada and the only GSM provider in > the area is Rogers. They've completely locked out this service to a > degree that if you receive an SMS from email, the receiver is notified > that a message has arrived and will have to agree to pay a fee to > receive it. > > Unless someone has found ways around this matter, I would look into it > a bit more before you start sending off massive amounts of joke mail > to all of your phone pals. > > Will Rogers used to charge $5 extra if you wanted to receive unlimited email to SMS. Somewhere in the small print there was probably a limit to the unlimited though. I also found a package that would interface directly to Rogers ( and Fido's ) html to text gateways. It would even split the email into separate messages if it became to long. I don't remember the name of the package and IIRC the maintainer was talking about dropping it because rogers was changing the html every couple of weeks to mess with the interface. Angus From yorickmoko at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 17:18:38 2009 From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:18:38 +0100 Subject: [SHR-TESTING] Bluetooth pairing problem Message-ID: <26fea52c0903050818h2ddac99em5fb5c4fefcc38559@mail.gmail.com> I'm using up to date shr-testing (which uses bluez4) pairing went fine two days ago (had to manually add simple-agent and install some bluez4 stuff) now i'm getting an error (with the same device): I use shr-settings to poweron bluetooth and visibility and run: root at om-gta02 ~ $ /etc/init.d/bluetooth stop Stopping Bluetooth subsystem: hcid. root at om-gta02 ~ $ /etc/init.d/bluetooth start Starting Bluetooth subsystem: hcid hid2hci. root at om-gta02 ~ $ python simple-agent hci0 51:88:AD:97:97:89 Traceback (most recent call last): File "simple-agent", line 84, in <module> path = manager.FindAdapter(sys.argv[1]) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py", line 68, in __call__ return self._proxy_method(*args, **keywords) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py", line 140, in __call__ **keywords) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py", line 622, in call_blocking message, timeout) dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "FindAdapter" with signature "s" on interface "org.bluez.Manager" doesn't exist some info: root at om-gta02 ~ $ hcitool scan Scanning ... 51:88:AD:97:97:89 BCK-08 root at om-gta02 ~ $ hcitool dev Devices: hci0 00:06:6E:17:3F:53 root at om-gta02 ~ $ opkg list_installed |grep blue blueprobe - 0.18-r5 - bluez-utils - 3.33-r3 - bluez-utils-compat - 3.33-r3 - bluez4 - 4.30-r1 - connman-plugin-bluetooth - 0.10-r0 - kernel-module-bluetooth - 2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r3 - libasound-module-bluez - 4.30-r1 - libbluetooth2 - 3.33-r0 - task-base-bluetooth - 1.0-r79 - the question is of course if anyone can tell me what i'm doing wrong. y From fercerpav at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 17:41:49 2009 From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:41:49 +0300 Subject: Flashing GSM firmware In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0903051519060.2226@risby.home.teaparty.net> (Tom Yates's message of "Thu\, 5 Mar 2009 15\:22\:08 +0000 $GMT$") References: <mailman.1211.1235360901.15778.community@lists.openmoko.org> <E805C680-2DE8-4BD9-9B12-5E3954A1E727@roadknightlabs.com> <m2ljrk5t3f.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <alpine.LFD.2.00.0903051519060.2226@risby.home.teaparty.net> Message-ID: <m2d4cv6hwy.fsf@home.pavel.comp> Tom Yates <madhatter at teaparty.net> writes: > On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Paul Fertser wrote: >> Alternatively, try Joerg's uSD automated image: >> http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/moko11/flash-moko11_uSD-image.tar.gz >> >> It works and reliably flashes the firmware for you. > > yaaay joerg and thank you! i just safely and efficiently upgraded I can't resist to note that this is as safe as upgrading by hand, so for those who don't have a spare uSD handy or time to download 90M image and feel confident enough in killing unnecessary processes (for SHR it's ophonekitd, for FSO it's Zhone or whatever dialer you use) i can still suggest to use the manual method (i recommend to follow the instructions given in my previous letter in this thread, where ROM bootloader is used from the beginning, and don't forget to cd /usr/sbin before starting fluid.exe ;) ). -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com From mickey at openmoko.org Thu Mar 5 17:48:29 2009 From: mickey at openmoko.org (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:48:29 +0100 Subject: Detecting ethernet gadget connections In-Reply-To: <200903051001.41804.daniel@benoy.name> References: <200903051001.41804.daniel@benoy.name> Message-ID: <1236271709.10602.179.camel@andromeda> Am Donnerstag, den 05.03.2009, 10:01 -0500 schrieb Daniel Benoy: > I'm working on a script that will detect which network interfaces are connected and mess with the routing accordingly, but I'm having trouble detecting whether my USB ethernet gadget connection is up or down. The best way to do this is to listen for netlink route announcements. That way it's completely instantaneous and without polling. Look here for an example using python-netlink: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=tools/dump-netlink Note that if you're on FSO I expect that after full integration of connman (milestone6), we will have a global signal like org.freesmartphone.Network.ConnectionStatus( s:means, b:online ) 'means' being a string that indicates the type, like "GPRS/ppp", "IP/usb0", "IP/bnep0", etc. that you can use. :M: From boilersoup at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 17:55:29 2009 From: boilersoup at gmail.com (boilersoup at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:55:29 +0100 Subject: [SHR-Testing] Repositories question Message-ID: <20090305175529.6f48abf6@uplink> Hi All, by following this guide: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release I've installed SHR Testing. Question: while updating the repos packages, I get the following error: root at om-gta02 ~ $ opkg update Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//all/Packages.gz Inflating http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//all/Packages.gz Updated list of available packages in /var/lib/opkg/shr-all Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//armv4/Packages.gz Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//armv4t/Packages.gz Inflating http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//armv4t/Packages.gz Updated list of available packages in /var/lib/opkg/shr-armv4t Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//om-gta02/Packages.gz Inflating http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//om-gta02/Packages.gz Updated list of available packages in /var/lib/opkg/shr-om-gta02 Collected errors: * Failed to download http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//armv4/Packages.gz, error 404 Is that a temporary issue or shall I modify smth on my soap ? From tonyberth at googlemail.com Thu Mar 5 17:58:11 2009 From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:58:11 +0100 Subject: [Cellhunter] Message-ID: <3494db260903050858s28aa7312g6932fae5d7a97e27@mail.gmail.com> it seems that there is no log generated! I'm using the latest package on the latest SHR unstable image! Thanks Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090305/6734b59d/attachment.htm From monnier at iro.umontreal.ca Thu Mar 5 18:17:04 2009 From: monnier at iro.umontreal.ca (Stefan Monnier) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 12:17:04 -0500 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <49AE62D0.8070105@hist.no> <200903041427.12578.joerg@openmoko.org> <5c6ceea80903040858q22f1363bk5b2578ea8759416e@mail.gmail.com> <49AFBDD6.8070705@hist.no> Message-ID: <jwvy6vjx57l.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> > I have suggested a refinement on the second approach: short the small > capacitors. Add big caps outside the shielded unit - there are places > with room. But don't put wires from the caps into the shielded > unit. Connect them to the headset plug instead, and break the plug's > normal connection to the circuit board. This approach won't pick up any > more buzz than the headset based solution, or the current bassless > setup. And you can use any headset you want. > The big question is - is it safe to short those small capacitors? Or > will that have other side effects, such as draining the battery or > disturbing sound on the built-in speaker? > Another question - is a single big capacitor enough, if it is put into > the ground line instead of having one cap for each of the stereo > channels? Or will that wreck stereo sound? One could then use a even > bigger cap. > There is lots of easily accessible room next to the battery, above the > SIM card. I'd love to see a good answer to those questions. Currently, it's unusable as an MP3 player and that's an important use for me (if I could use it as an MP3 player, I'd carry it with me that much more often, which would in turn increase my use of it). Stefan From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt Thu Mar 5 18:14:19 2009 From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (Vasco =?iso-8859-15?b?Tul2b2E=?=) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:14:19 +0000 Subject: Detecting ethernet gadget connections In-Reply-To: <200903051001.41804.daniel@benoy.name> References: <200903051001.41804.daniel@benoy.name> Message-ID: <20090305171419.17523zb4bhm1qoob@w0.mail.sapo.pt> I opened a ticket on that a while ago... https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2178 No progress in 3 months... Citando Daniel Benoy <daniel at benoy.name>: > I'm working on a script that will detect which network interfaces > are connected and mess with the routing accordingly, but I'm having > trouble detecting whether my USB ethernet gadget connection is up or > down. > > ---- > ethtool when it's up: > lisa:~# ethtool usb0 > Settings for usb0: > Link detected: yes > > ethtool when it's down: > lisa:~# ethtool usb0 > Settings for usb0: > Link detected: yes > ---- > > Unlike on the host side, the usb0 interface doesn't appear and > disappear, allowing udev scripts to bring up/down the interface. > > Anyone know if there's a way to detect that a network connection has > actually been established? > > -- > Daniel Benoy > http://daniel.benoy.name > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From andy at openmoko.com Thu Mar 5 18:45:20 2009 From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:45:20 +0000 Subject: Flashing GSM firmware In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0903051519060.2226@risby.home.teaparty.net> References: <mailman.1211.1235360901.15778.community@lists.openmoko.org> <E805C680-2DE8-4BD9-9B12-5E3954A1E727@roadknightlabs.com> <m2ljrk5t3f.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <alpine.LFD.2.00.0903051519060.2226@risby.home.teaparty.net> Message-ID: <49B00FB0.6080901@openmoko.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Paul Fertser wrote: | |> Alternatively, try Joerg's uSD automated image: |> http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/moko11/flash-moko11_uSD-image.tar.gz |> |> It works and reliably flashes the firmware for you. | | yaaay joerg and thank you! i just safely and efficiently upgraded both my I think there's a little confusion going on here, AIUI Werner did the rootfs end and Deiter the GSM firmware upgrade and deserve the thanks for that. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmwD7AACgkQOjLpvpq7dMr66ACfdL9gXW3Q+hdxnMj0ZCJlWwnX L04AoIqOTfqSU5/LuvvATbtoI08EDkYV =yoX9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From vanous at penguin.cz Thu Mar 5 18:49:36 2009 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 18:49:36 +0100 Subject: [Cellhunter] References: <3494db260903050858s28aa7312g6932fae5d7a97e27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090305184936.729377b8@penguin.cz> On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:58:11 +0100 Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com> (TB) wrote: >it seems that there is no log generated! > >I'm using the latest package on the latest SHR unstable image! > >Thanks > >Tony > You have to press three buttons for offline function: auto check auto submit offline -- Petr Van?k From andy at openmoko.com Thu Mar 5 18:51:30 2009 From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:51:30 +0000 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <jwvy6vjx57l.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <49AE62D0.8070105@hist.no> <200903041427.12578.joerg@openmoko.org> <5c6ceea80903040858q22f1363bk5b2578ea8759416e@mail.gmail.com> <49AFBDD6.8070705@hist.no> <jwvy6vjx57l.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> Message-ID: <49B01122.5030105@openmoko.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: |> I have suggested a refinement on the second approach: short the small |> capacitors. Add big caps outside the shielded unit - there are places |> with room. But don't put wires from the caps into the shielded |> unit. Connect them to the headset plug instead, and break the plug's |> normal connection to the circuit board. This approach won't pick up any |> more buzz than the headset based solution, or the current bassless |> setup. And you can use any headset you want. | |> The big question is - is it safe to short those small capacitors? Or |> will that have other side effects, such as draining the battery or |> disturbing sound on the built-in speaker? There are a couple of 1K resistors to 0V that will then connect directly ~ to the amp outputs all the time before the new DC blocking caps you will add back in. But thanks to some recent patches by Mark Brown on andy-tracking, we should keep the amp turned off more often. |> Another question - is a single big capacitor enough, if it is put into |> the ground line instead of having one cap for each of the stereo |> channels? Or will that wreck stereo sound? One could then use a even |> bigger cap. You'd need to do both channels; the one with the unchanged cap will sound the same as always otherwise. |> There is lots of easily accessible room next to the battery, above the |> SIM card. | | I'd love to see a good answer to those questions. Currently, it's | unusable as an MP3 player and that's an important use for me (if | I could use it as an MP3 player, I'd carry it with me that much more | often, which would in turn increase my use of it). Lifting the can and meddling with the caps is nontrivial. Somebody did give this plan a go on the list about 6 months ago and reported some success though. But I don't recommend considering it unless you are in an experimental frame of mind and can deal with the fiddling and risk involved. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmwESIACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrOYwCgg84IEzmPEoGSozNU+2kl7v3R edgAn2war5CTGE2912IvQ0tROeRbtUTB =qFA+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pta-openmoko at psaconsultants.com Thu Mar 5 18:58:31 2009 From: pta-openmoko at psaconsultants.com (Peter Abplanalp) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:58:31 -0700 Subject: selling my freerunner Message-ID: <8d5c205c0903050958g713ee573qa0b6ee691ef0b991@mail.gmail.com> i'm selling my freerunner. like new condition. preferably to someone in the denver, colorado area. please respond via pm. thanks, -peter From jluebbe at lasnet.de Thu Mar 5 19:10:32 2009 From: jluebbe at lasnet.de (Jan =?ISO-8859-1?Q?L=FCbbe?=) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:10:32 +0100 Subject: Introducing CellHunter In-Reply-To: <49A09951.2030401@omoco.de> References: <49A09951.2030401@omoco.de> Message-ID: <1236276632.8428.34.camel@localhost> Hi! I've changed cellhunter to use the FSO Monitor interface as DebugCommand is broken with the new parser. You can see my patches at: http://git.sicherheitsschwankung.de/?p=jan/cellhunter.git In case you don't use version control, i can easily give you access to that repositiory. I'll also apply those patches in OE to get cellhunter working again. -- Jan L?bbe <jluebbe at lasnet.de> http://sicherheitsschwankung.de gpg-key 1024D/D8480F2E 2002-03-20 fingerprint 1B25 F91F 9E7B 5D4F 1282 02D6 8A83 8BE4 D848 0F2E From andrew at howlett.net Thu Mar 5 19:11:14 2009 From: andrew at howlett.net (andrew howlett) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:11:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: latest qt extended? In-Reply-To: <200902211433.26673.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> References: <200902211433.26673.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> Message-ID: <1236276674675-2431095.post@n2.nabble.com> yes, check this wiki page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qt_Extended_4.4.3 later, andrew. >Is the any qt extended release that has been updated >recently? I.e, this year? > >I am looking for one with the echo and WSOD fixes in it. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/latest-qt-extended--tp2362273p2431095.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From triveros at enable.cl Thu Mar 5 19:19:55 2009 From: triveros at enable.cl (Tomas Riveros Schober) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:19:55 -0300 Subject: latest qt extended? In-Reply-To: <1236276674675-2431095.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <200902211433.26673.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> <1236276674675-2431095.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <49B017CB.4010902@enable.cl> that is absolutely no release! that image was built from the source snapshots a while ago, and probably does not represent QtExtended's current state (i mean 4.4.3 release), so I would wait for a proper build from the latest release instead. regards Tom andrew howlett escribi?: > yes, check this wiki page: > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qt_Extended_4.4.3 > > later, > andrew. > > >> Is the any qt extended release that has been updated >> recently? I.e, this year? >> >> I am looking for one with the echo and WSOD fixes in it. >> > > From andrew at howlett.net Thu Mar 5 19:26:50 2009 From: andrew at howlett.net (andrew howlett) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:26:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: latest qt extended? In-Reply-To: <49B017CB.4010902@enable.cl> References: <200902211433.26673.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> <1236276674675-2431095.post@n2.nabble.com> <49B017CB.4010902@enable.cl> Message-ID: <1236277610786-2431189.post@n2.nabble.com> Sorry Tom, I'll remove the links at the referenced wiki page and update it (tomorrow?) after I've compiled the official 4.4.3 source which trolltech released today. andrew. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/latest-qt-extended--tp2362273p2431189.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From joerg at openmoko.org Thu Mar 5 19:26:51 2009 From: joerg at openmoko.org (Joerg Reisenweber) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 19:26:51 +0100 Subject: Flashing GSM firmware In-Reply-To: <49B00FB0.6080901@openmoko.com> References: <mailman.1211.1235360901.15778.community@lists.openmoko.org> <alpine.LFD.2.00.0903051519060.2226@risby.home.teaparty.net> <49B00FB0.6080901@openmoko.com> Message-ID: <200903051926.58462.joerg@openmoko.org> Am Do 5. M?rz 2009 schrieb Andy Green: > Somebody in the thread at some point said: > | On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Paul Fertser wrote: > | > |> Alternatively, try Joerg's uSD automated image: > |> > http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/moko11/flash-moko11_uSD-image.tar.gz > |> > |> It works and reliably flashes the firmware for you. > | > | yaaay joerg and thank you! i just safely and efficiently upgraded > both my > > I think there's a little confusion going on here, AIUI Werner did the > rootfs end and Deiter the GSM firmware upgrade and deserve the thanks > for that. You haven't understood it quite right, and obviously there *is* some confusion going on *somewhere*. rootfs is a standard FSO-console MS5 patched to fix "doesn't boot on r/o mounted fs" issue. Kernel is recent Andy tracking with GSM sysfs node patch created originally by PaulFerster based on my suggestions. MOKO11 was a corporate work involving quite a number of people on IRC, mainly PaulFerster, Werner, Lindi (iirc), and me. Dieter checked for the bugs we spotted and fixed them in calypso's FW. The uSD image was entirely created, tested and published by me. Original idea: roh. So all those people deserve a special "thank you", and Andy deserves a special acknowledge for sedulous mobbing as soon as "joerg" is mentioned somewhere. >:( /j -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090305/f0d46842/attachment.pgp From triveros at enable.cl Thu Mar 5 19:31:24 2009 From: triveros at enable.cl (Tomas Riveros Schober) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:31:24 -0300 Subject: latest qt extended? In-Reply-To: <1236277610786-2431189.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <200902211433.26673.nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz> <1236276674675-2431095.post@n2.nabble.com> <49B017CB.4010902@enable.cl> <1236277610786-2431189.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <49B01A7C.7070105@enable.cl> andrew howlett escribi?: > > Sorry Tom, I'll remove the links at the referenced wiki page and update it > (tomorrow?) after I've compiled the official 4.4.3 source which trolltech > released today. > > andrew. > No problem at all, besides, if there was a link in the wiki maybe I'd have to distribute the source too ;) and it's just a thrown together image that happens to work (for me, and apparently some others) let's see who's first to put up updated QtE images! regards, Tom From joerg at openmoko.org Thu Mar 5 19:31:55 2009 From: joerg at openmoko.org (Joerg Reisenweber) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 19:31:55 +0100 Subject: GSM Power off In-Reply-To: <49A538B5.504@hist.no> References: <20090223165401.GA10995@querulant.elkcloner.org> <m2d4d9c5tj.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <49A538B5.504@hist.no> Message-ID: <200903051931.55974.joerg@openmoko.org> Am Mi 25. Februar 2009 schrieb Helge Hafting: > Paul Fertser wrote: > > Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <mickey at openmoko.org> writes: > >>>> - echo "AT at POFF" >/dev/ttySAC0 > >>> This is supposed to ask modem firmware to power off itself. Was > >>> necessary because GTA01 has no physical power switch. I don't know > >>> exact results of this command though. > >> IIRC it issues a controlled shutdown including deregistration from the > >> network and shutting down RF. > > > > But is it really necessary? One can as well suddenly go out of > > coverage without any deregistrations. Does it really matter for the > > network? > > It guess it might matter for the network - if a call comes in. > If you told the network about powering off, they will notify the caller > immediately that your phone is not available. > > If you powered off abruptly and the network haven't timed your phone out > yet, then the tower will try its best to reach you while the caller > waits. 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It is a bogus feed that does not exist and we do not get rid of (or did not look into it enough yet). Not needed though. Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann From nicola.mfb at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 20:08:25 2009 From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:08:25 +0100 Subject: Freerunner freely runs Gentoo In-Reply-To: <3dc1583f0903030954i57459580w90d9b63909fe3473@mail.gmail.com> References: <3dc1583f0903030510j476446e1w865d16b12778a306@mail.gmail.com> <359c5480903030947i7a1046ffl64977f71923df062@mail.gmail.com> <3dc1583f0903030954i57459580w90d9b63909fe3473@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <359c5480903051108h3e8dd868k6edc1ca8ff4bc2f2@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/3 Sven Rebhan <odinshorse at googlemail.com> > 2009/3/3 Nicola Mfb <nicola.mfb at gmail.com>: > > I'd like to contribute to wiki, are there some policy about it and > > bug/filing? > > Hey nice! So far we have not yet decided on a policy about wiki edits > or bug filing. However, if you find something is wrong file a bug on > gentoo.mindzoo.de (even if you think it's trivial). If you want to > create new pages on the wiki you should join the #gentoo-openmoko IRC > channel on Freenode and ask there! > Is there a mailing-list for gentoo on freerunner discussions too? the one on lists.projects.openmoko.org seems to be died. Regards Nicola -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I hope there is a solution to this bug, because it makes vnc useless. :( Ciao, Rainer PS: I'm using a vnc client within debian and not OM2008.9 From timo.jyrinki at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 20:20:36 2009 From: timo.jyrinki at gmail.com (Timo Jyrinki) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:20:36 +0200 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <jwvy6vjx57l.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <49AE62D0.8070105@hist.no> <200903041427.12578.joerg@openmoko.org> <5c6ceea80903040858q22f1363bk5b2578ea8759416e@mail.gmail.com> <49AFBDD6.8070705@hist.no> <jwvy6vjx57l.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> Message-ID: <68da43e00903051120l6bd81efen4473b56982c7e58c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/5 Stefan Monnier <monnier at iro.umontreal.ca>: > I'd love to see a good answer to those questions. ?Currently, it's > unusable as an MP3 player and that's an important use for me (if > I could use it as an MP3 player, I'd carry it with me that much more > often, which would in turn increase my use of it). Have you tried tweaking the alsa profiles and set Bass Filter to either 100Hz @ 8kHz (== 600Hz @ 48kHz) or 200Hz @ 8kHz (== 1200Hz @ 48kHz) and Bass Boost to 15? I find the quality just fine for eg. in-car music playing. Even when using headphones (Koss KSC-35) I find the quality acceptable, even though the color of the sound is not completely neutral. I tend to prefer 200Hz @ 8kHz, and probably the high-pass filter effect of the output on Neo is indeed quite high, though sometimes I wonder if the midrange is overemphasized with that setting still. I was planning to see about playing back a frequency sweep on Neo, but seemingly forgot about it. Anyway, I now put one 20Hz-20000Hz sweep file at http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/moko/20-20k_60s.ogg (vorbis quality 8, should be good enough), if someone with proper(ish) recording equipment can record with eg. 100Hz @ 8kHz and 200Hz @ 8kHz settings with Bass Boost at some level like 15. I don't know what quality an average motherboard "HD" Audio recording is, but will try it anyway myself at some point with various settings to see what kind of slopes one gets. -Timo From jldominguez at prodevelop.es Thu Mar 5 20:48:32 2009 From: jldominguez at prodevelop.es (Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:48:32 +0100 Subject: Freerunner, Jalimo, rxtx, GPS Message-ID: <E43C32BC5843E34FB4C00CDFAAAAF7D80105D977@australia.prodevelop.local> Dear list, I am trying to use librxtx to access the GPS device in my FreeRunner through the /dev/ttySAC1 serial port. I have done this: opkg install librxtx-java opkg install librxtx-jni In the classpath of my little java app I have added RXTXcomm.jar and tried to execute this code without success. No ports are discovered (with the GPS on and off), and if I try to access a port called /dev/ttySAC1, it says it does not exist. What am I doing wrong? ================================= static void listPorts() { java.util.Enumeration portEnum = CommPortIdentifier.getPortIdentifiers(); while ( portEnum.hasMoreElements() ) { CommPortIdentifier portIdentifier = (CommPortIdentifier) portEnum.nextElement(); System.out.println(portIdentifier.getName() + " - " + getPortTypeName(portIdentifier.getPortType()) ); } } static String getPortTypeName ( int portType ) { switch ( portType ) { case CommPortIdentifier.PORT_I2C: return "I2C"; case CommPortIdentifier.PORT_PARALLEL: return "Parallel"; case CommPortIdentifier.PORT_RAW: return "Raw"; case CommPortIdentifier.PORT_RS485: return "RS485"; case CommPortIdentifier.PORT_SERIAL: return "Serial"; default: return "unknown type"; } } ================================= Regards, Juan Lucas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//armv4t/shr-settings_0.1.0+r72+8bb135bd2297712aa15cd315d28fcdc82b49aadb-r2_armv4t.ipk Collected errors: * Failed to download http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//armv4t/shr-settings_0.1.0+r72+8bb135bd2297712aa15cd315d28fcdc82b49aadb-r2_armv4t.ipk, error 404 * Failed to download shr-settings. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'? Thanks. From vendion at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 20:48:49 2009 From: vendion at gmail.com (Adam Jimerson) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:48:49 -0500 Subject: SHR testing and TangoGPS problem Message-ID: <e10323740903051148y533a5d37pb33fc98a27b7820b@mail.gmail.com> I tried to upgrad TangoGPS one my SHR testing install because it didn't seem like it was working, and fso-gpsd said that it was running, but when I tried to do it even with -force-depens it removed the version the SHR testing came with and gave me this error: root at om-gta02 ~ $ opkg -force-depends install libsqlite3-0 libpixman-1-0 libgl ib-2.0-0 http://pcl210-00.fit.vutbr.cz/openmoko/libexif_0.6.17_armv4t.ipklibdb us-glib-1-2 libdbus-1-3 libcurl4 libcairo2 http://pcl210-00.fit.vutbr.cz/ope nmoko/tangogps_0.9.6-r0_armv4t.ipk Downloading http://pcl210-00.fit.vutbr.cz/openmoko/libexif_0.6.17_armv4t.ipk Downloading http://pcl210-00.fit.vutbr.cz/openmoko/tangogps_0.9.6-r0_armv4t.ipk Package libsqlite3-0 (3.6.2-r0) installed in root is up to date. Package libpixman-1-0 (0.11.4-r0) installed in root is up to date. Package libglib-2.0-0 (2.16.4-r1) installed in root is up to date. Multiple packages (libexif and libexif) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Multiple packages (libexif and libexif) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Installing libexif (0.6.17) to root... Package libdbus-glib-1-2 (0.76-r0) installed in root is up to date. Package libdbus-1-3 (1.2.1-r9) installed in root is up to date. Package libcurl4 (7.18.2-r0) installed in root is up to date. Package libcairo2 (1.6.4-r4) installed in root is up to date. Multiple packages (tangogps and tangogps) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Multiple packages (tangogps and tangogps) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Multiple packages (tangogps and tangogps) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Installing tangogps (0.9.6-r0) to root... Multiple replacers for gpsd, using first one (fso-gpsd) Configuring tangogps Configuring libexif Collected errors: * Warning: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for tangogps: * gtk+-fastscaling (>= 2.10.14) * Do I need to install a older version of tangogps inorder to get it to work? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090305/8899659c/attachment.htm From chris at csamuel.org Thu Mar 5 21:11:41 2009 From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 07:11:41 +1100 Subject: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released In-Reply-To: <ea736a480903050646l5acba151i3cbaafc850f43fc7@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903052149.54813.chris@csamuel.org> <49AFDDCE.1060703@enable.cl> <ea736a480903050646l5acba151i3cbaafc850f43fc7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903060711.45279.chris@csamuel.org> On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 1:46:03 am HouYu Li wrote: > Just had a test. Echo is there, and incoming call is received twice That's a shame! There is an unofficial git repository here: git://git.asheesh.org/qtopia_snapshot.git but it's still just 4.4.2 at the moment (hasn't changed for 4 months). :-( cheers, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090306/7e3afd9f/attachment.pgp From prishelec at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 21:23:05 2009 From: prishelec at gmail.com (Leonti Bielski) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:23:05 +0100 Subject: [SHR-Testing] Packages mismatch ? In-Reply-To: <20090305204820.4ea8103a@uplink> References: <20090305204820.4ea8103a@uplink> Message-ID: <815cb1720903051223g305aefeofc010fb07c93c3a5@mail.gmail.com> I had the same problem. Looks like Packages.gz is not up to date. Just run opkg install http://openmoko.opendevice.org/build/shr-unstable/feed/armv4t/shr-settings_0.1. 0+r75+db5ab33d99dfaddafd61143c90ba5da5f3a42150-r2_armv4t.ipk to get newest version. Leonti On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:48 PM, boilersoup at gmail.com <boilersoup at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm trying to upgrade 'SHR Testing' for the first time. > > Ofter an 'opkg update', attempting an 'opkg upgrade' results in the following: > > root at om-gta02 /etc/opkg $ opkg upgrade > Upgrading shr-settings on root from 0.1.0+r4c57ad048840ca7fcffe440e98043e57eeb40a6a-r2 to 0.1.0+r72+8bb135bd2297712aa15cd315d28fcdc82b49aadb-r2... > Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//armv4t/shr-settings_0.1.0+r72+8bb135bd2297712aa15cd315d28fcdc82b49aadb-r2_armv4t.ipk > Collected errors: > ?* Failed to download http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//armv4t/shr-settings_0.1.0+r72+8bb135bd2297712aa15cd315d28fcdc82b49aadb-r2_armv4t.ipk, error 404 > ?* Failed to download shr-settings. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'? > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From jim at anconafamily.com Thu Mar 5 21:27:00 2009 From: jim at anconafamily.com (Jim Ancona) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 15:27:00 -0500 Subject: Freerunner, Jalimo, rxtx, GPS In-Reply-To: <E43C32BC5843E34FB4C00CDFAAAAF7D80105D977@australia.prodevelop.local> References: <E43C32BC5843E34FB4C00CDFAAAAF7D80105D977@australia.prodevelop.local> Message-ID: <59af3fb30903051227h4142c332ua1f2ba1c57e8201f@mail.gmail.com> You don't say which distro you are trying this on, but my guess is that you are fighting with gpsd or frameworkd for access to the GPS serial port. You probably should be talking to gpsd/ogpsd or via dbus to the framework, rather than directly to the serial port. Jim On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio <jldominguez at prodevelop.es> wrote: > Dear list, > > I am trying to use librxtx to access the GPS device in my FreeRunner through > the /dev/ttySAC1 serial port. I have done this: > > opkg install librxtx-java > opkg install librxtx-jni > > In the classpath of my little java app I have added RXTXcomm.jar and tried > to execute this code without success. No ports are discovered (with the GPS > on and off), and if I try to access a port called /dev/ttySAC1, it says it > does not exist. What am I doing wrong? > > ================================= > ??????? ? static void listPorts() > ??????? ??? { > ??????? ??????? java.util.Enumeration portEnum = > CommPortIdentifier.getPortIdentifiers(); > ??????? ??????? while ( portEnum.hasMoreElements() ) > ??????? ??????? { > ??????? ??????????? CommPortIdentifier portIdentifier = (CommPortIdentifier) > portEnum.nextElement(); > ??????? ??????????? System.out.println(portIdentifier.getName()? +? " - " + > getPortTypeName(portIdentifier.getPortType()) ); > ??????? ??????? } > ??????? ??? } > > ??????? ??? static String getPortTypeName ( int portType ) > ??????? ??? { > ??????? ??????? switch ( portType ) > ??????? ??????? { > ??????? ??????????? case CommPortIdentifier.PORT_I2C: > ??????? ??????????????? return "I2C"; > ??????? ??????????? case CommPortIdentifier.PORT_PARALLEL: > ??????? ??????????????? return "Parallel"; > ??????? ??????????? case CommPortIdentifier.PORT_RAW: > ??????? ??????????????? return "Raw"; > ??????? ??????????? case CommPortIdentifier.PORT_RS485: > ??????? ??????????????? return "RS485"; > ??????? ??????????? case CommPortIdentifier.PORT_SERIAL: > ??????? ??????????????? return "Serial"; > ??????? ??????????? default: > ??????? ??????????????? return "unknown type"; > ??????? ??????? } > ??????? ??? } > ================================= > > Regards, > Juan Lucas > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > From monnier at iro.umontreal.ca Thu Mar 5 21:54:03 2009 From: monnier at iro.umontreal.ca (Stefan Monnier) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:54:03 -0500 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <49AE62D0.8070105@hist.no> <200903041427.12578.joerg@openmoko.org> <5c6ceea80903040858q22f1363bk5b2578ea8759416e@mail.gmail.com> <49AFBDD6.8070705@hist.no> <jwvy6vjx57l.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> <49B01122.5030105@openmoko.com> Message-ID: <jwvab7zwv3u.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> > | I'd love to see a good answer to those questions. Currently, it's > | unusable as an MP3 player and that's an important use for me (if > | I could use it as an MP3 player, I'd carry it with me that much more > | often, which would in turn increase my use of it). > Lifting the can and meddling with the caps is nontrivial. Somebody did > give this plan a go on the list about 6 months ago and reported some > success though. But I don't recommend considering it unless you are in > an experimental frame of mind and can deal with the fiddling and risk > involved. I have no intention to do it myself. But if a good "how to" gets written, I could probably find someone who does have the necessary expertise. Stefan From mok at mnet-online.de Thu Mar 5 21:57:41 2009 From: mok at mnet-online.de (Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:57:41 +0100 Subject: [SHR-Testing] Packages mismatch ? In-Reply-To: <815cb1720903051223g305aefeofc010fb07c93c3a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090305204820.4ea8103a@uplink> <815cb1720903051223g305aefeofc010fb07c93c3a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903052157.41466.mok@mnet-online.de> Am Donnerstag 05 M?rz 2009 21:23:05 schrieb Leonti Bielski: > I had the same problem. Looks like Packages.gz is not up to date. > Just run opkg install > http://openmoko.opendevice.org/build/shr-unstable/feed/armv4t/shr-settings_ >0.1. 0+r75+db5ab33d99dfaddafd61143c90ba5da5f3a42150-r2_armv4t.ipk > to get newest version. > > Leonti > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:48 PM, boilersoup at gmail.com > > <boilersoup at gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I'm trying to upgrade 'SHR Testing' for the first time. > > > > Ofter an 'opkg update', attempting an 'opkg upgrade' results in the > > following: > > > > root at om-gta02 /etc/opkg $ opkg upgrade > > Upgrading shr-settings on root from > > 0.1.0+r4c57ad048840ca7fcffe440e98043e57eeb40a6a-r2 to > > 0.1.0+r72+8bb135bd2297712aa15cd315d28fcdc82b49aadb-r2... Downloading > > http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//armv4t/shr-settings_0.1.0+r > >72+8bb135bd2297712aa15cd315d28fcdc82b49aadb-r2_armv4t.ipk Collected > > errors: > > ?* Failed to download > > http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//armv4t/shr-settings_0.1.0+r > >72+8bb135bd2297712aa15cd315d28fcdc82b49aadb-r2_armv4t.ipk, error 404 * > > Failed to download shr-settings. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'? > > > > Thanks. > > sorry guys... looks like I forgot to build the package-index. Fixed now. Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann From ant007h at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 21:58:25 2009 From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:58:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Acceleroids - shoot-the-asteroids game Message-ID: <1236286705198-2432133.post@n2.nabble.com> Hello! I'm glad to present you a new fully Freerunner-adapted game - Acceleroids - a port of SDLRoids (an Asteroids clone). The ship movement is controlled by an accelerometer while the cannon, shield and bomb can be activated by touching bottom-right, bottom-left and top-right corners of the screen accordingly. Shield+Shoot buttons can be pressed simultaneously as well as Shield+Bomb (some sort of multi-touch simulation). Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/acceleroids/ Opkg.org: http://www.opkg.org/package_154.html The released packages are tested only by myself, so you are welcome to report about missing dependencies ;). Have Fun. -- Anton -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Acceleroids---shoot-the-asteroids-game-tp2432133p2432133.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From andy at openmoko.com Thu Mar 5 22:04:51 2009 From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:04:51 +0000 Subject: Flashing GSM firmware In-Reply-To: <200903051926.58462.joerg@openmoko.org> References: <mailman.1211.1235360901.15778.community@lists.openmoko.org> <alpine.LFD.2.00.0903051519060.2226@risby.home.teaparty.net> <49B00FB0.6080901@openmoko.com> <200903051926.58462.joerg@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <49B03E73.608@openmoko.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: |> I think there's a little confusion going on here, AIUI Werner did the |> rootfs end and Deiter the GSM firmware upgrade and deserve the thanks |> for that. | | You haven't understood it quite right, and obviously there *is* some confusion | going on *somewhere*. I'm not quite sure when you stopped working for Openmoko / will stop working for us, but talking of confusion the openmoko.org address either doesn't or won't help. | rootfs is a standard FSO-console MS5 patched to fix "doesn't boot on r/o | mounted fs" issue. | Kernel is recent Andy tracking with GSM sysfs node patch created originally by | PaulFerster based on my suggestions. | MOKO11 was a corporate work involving quite a number of people on IRC, mainly | PaulFerster, Werner, Lindi (iirc), and me. Dieter checked for the bugs we | spotted and fixed them in calypso's FW. | The uSD image was entirely created, tested and published by me. | Original idea: roh. | | So all those people deserve a special "thank you", and Andy deserves a special | acknowledge for sedulous mobbing as soon as "joerg" is mentioned somewhere. | |> :( Just saying "joerg's image" would be totally misleading. Glad you agree. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmwPnMACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrTJQCbBje6BK0p95cGooXj2PHlw+x8 Q10Anj3BgrYSh4klNddHuYFZDEBg/qmr =XRTu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From boilersoup at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 22:22:39 2009 From: boilersoup at gmail.com (boilersoup at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 22:22:39 +0100 Subject: [SHR-Testing] dillo.desktop Message-ID: <20090305222239.19250591@uplink> Hi All, after installing dillo (with 'opkg install dillo'), I had to add the line: Categories=Office; to the file: /usr/share/applications/dillo.desktop to make the exec icon appear on the desktop. Shall I add a comment on: http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/264 or someone from the SHR dev team is listening and can comment on this ? From boilersoup at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 22:26:53 2009 From: boilersoup at gmail.com (boilersoup at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 22:26:53 +0100 Subject: [SHR-Testing] [Solved] Packages mismatch ? In-Reply-To: <815cb1720903051223g305aefeofc010fb07c93c3a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090305204820.4ea8103a@uplink> <815cb1720903051223g305aefeofc010fb07c93c3a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090305222653.0d4e7c52@uplink> > I had the same problem. Looks like Packages.gz is not up to date. > Just run opkg install > http://openmoko.opendevice.org/build/shr-unstable/feed/armv4t/shr-settings_0.1. > 0+r75+db5ab33d99dfaddafd61143c90ba5da5f3a42150-r2_armv4t.ipk > to get newest version. > > Leonti Thanks, I confirm that I've fixed it with: opkg install http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/shr-settings_0.1.0+r73+21d278d51f58b31519917ae848484cb9f84ef9b5-r2_armv4t.ipk From san_dimitri at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 22:27:07 2009 From: san_dimitri at yahoo.com (sandilya b) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:27:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: How to install cli-framework on my Neo FreeRunner Message-ID: <979400.2716.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi all, I just got an openmoko freerunner phone and want to install cli-framework on it to use the various features of the d-bus system. Can someone help me with it? -Sandy From fradeve11 at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 22:27:20 2009 From: fradeve11 at gmail.com (Francesco de Virgilio) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:27:20 +0100 Subject: [2008.12] GPS from python In-Reply-To: <5b79b500901251320h1200451cp8b2b4814dce9545d@mail.gmail.com> References: <496BDB2C.8040909@gmail.com> <496C87AD.5000709@zindep.com> <5b79b500901251320h1200451cp8b2b4814dce9545d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B043B8.1000608@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Robert Damphousse ha scritto: > I have always used the gps.py module that is included with linux on my > desktop distros (debian, ubuntu etc). It can usually be found here: > > /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/gps.py > > I am dunning Debian on my Freerunner, I copied gps.py from my desktop to > the same location on the phone and it works just fine! Usage goes like > this: > > Python 2.5.2 (r252:60911, Feb 22 2008, 07:57:53) > [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5363)] on darwin > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>>> import gps >>>> g = gps.gps() >>>> g.query("admosy") >>>> g.fix.latitude > 34.432875 It seems not work on SHR-testing :( > More examples using gps.py here: > > http://www.perrygeo.net/wordpress/?p=13 > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:23 AM, Nicolas Laurance <nlaurance at zindep.com > <mailto:nlaurance at zindep.com>> wrote: > > you might want to read the thread > > http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td786643 - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:fradeve at ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia Italia Member* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org "Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software" GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmwQ7QACgkQRi2TsGSC4Fb1/gCfRMFECkRHF8UP0EZncgnriC9I hhEAni4BmEJLS3WMCt3E9ObESM+kWmVJ =QFuJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mok at mnet-online.de Thu Mar 5 22:41:08 2009 From: mok at mnet-online.de (Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 22:41:08 +0100 Subject: [SHR-Testing] dillo.desktop In-Reply-To: <20090305222239.19250591@uplink> References: <20090305222239.19250591@uplink> Message-ID: <200903052241.08994.mok@mnet-online.de> Am Donnerstag 05 M?rz 2009 22:22:39 schrieb boilersoup at gmail.com: > Hi All, > > after installing dillo (with 'opkg install dillo'), I had to add the line: > Categories=Office; > to the file: > /usr/share/applications/dillo.desktop > to make the exec icon appear on the desktop. > > Shall I add a comment on: > http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/264 > or someone from the SHR dev team is listening and can comment on this ? I added a new ticket as #264 was about a package from opkg.org... http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/341 Thanks for reporting Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann From onen.om at free.fr Thu Mar 5 22:51:49 2009 From: onen.om at free.fr (Onen) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:51:49 +0100 Subject: OpenBmap logger in the feeds (was: Re: Introducing CellHunter) In-Reply-To: <1236276632.8428.34.camel@localhost> References: <49A09951.2030401@omoco.de> <1236276632.8428.34.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <49B04975.20201@free.fr> Hi, using the openBmap-logger you would have saved the time needed for patching, as it has been written using the freesmartphone.org API from the beginning ;-) Thanks to Stefan, the package is now in the feeds: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/openbmap-logger_0.1.0-r0_armv4t.ipk opkg install openbmap-logger The idea is to have nothing more than a logger/uploader to build a database of GPS positions/GSM data. It does not have the CellHunter game logic, and you will not get any points. You have been warned! :-) I have proposed Sebastian to collaborate, at least on a common logging engine. He is interested, but added he lacks time for a collaborating project at the moment. Anyway, the openBmap logger git is public, and I would welcome any comments and/or patches :-) http://myposition.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=myposition That's where the development continues... Many thanks to Coolcat on the wiki, who has added a page, I have just discovered it! The Manual (also located in the README file of the package) can be found here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenBmap For new users, warning: you should create an account on realtimeblog.free.fr website, and fill the login/password in the configuration file before upload works. (This is planned to be changed in the next release, adding a graphical interface for login/password, please be patients!). Onen Jan L?bbe wrote: > Hi! > > I've changed cellhunter to use the FSO Monitor interface as DebugCommand > is broken with the new parser. You can see my patches at: > > http://git.sicherheitsschwankung.de/?p=jan/cellhunter.git > > In case you don't use version control, i can easily give you access to > that repositiory. > > I'll also apply those patches in OE to get cellhunter working again. > From list-openmoko at omoco.de Thu Mar 5 23:17:17 2009 From: list-openmoko at omoco.de (Sebastian Hammerl) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:17:17 +0100 Subject: Introducing CellHunter In-Reply-To: <1236276632.8428.34.camel@localhost> References: <49A09951.2030401@omoco.de> <1236276632.8428.34.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <49B04F6D.8070202@omoco.de> Jan L?bbe schrieb: > Hi! > > I've changed cellhunter to use the FSO Monitor interface as DebugCommand > is broken with the new parser. You can see my patches at: > > Hi, very cool. left the old debug command in only because lack of time and fso 4.x backward compatibility. what is the new parser exactly? which distro / fso version do you use? Sebastian > http://git.sicherheitsschwankung.de/?p=jan/cellhunter.git > > In case you don't use version control, i can easily give you access to > that repositiory. > > I'll also apply those patches in OE to get cellhunter working again. > > From don.juanton at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 23:29:48 2009 From: don.juanton at gmail.com (Anton Persson) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:29:48 +0100 Subject: A new version of SATAN Message-ID: <c0a9d7e10903051429y1a56f7d5oa4d999880b7f5b76@mail.gmail.com> Hi 'yall! I just wanted to splash about that I've released a new version of SATAN for the OpenMoko, available at http://www.opkg.org/package_34.html. To summarize: * Bug reduction. * A built in on screen keyboard that I feel is better than to use the normal OSK on the FR. * A new subtractive synthesizer called Grooveiator. * Some other stuff.. NOTE! You can CREATE YOUR OWN MACHINES for SATAN as plugins; I haven't written a good guide on this yet I know, but you may check out this directory for code and build examples: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pltxtra/satan/fixedpoint/files/head%3A/dynlib/ To create machines you need to be familiar with fixed point math, and you need to have this installed on the development host: http://fpm.berlios.de/website/index2.html What's missing: * More bug fixes. * Cut&paste in the tracker/sequencer. * horizontal scrolling in the tracker/sequencer. * Better documentation, always. * A finger friendly cool looking tracker... I'm working on it! * More MACHINES, help! Please feel free to come with suggestions, tips, bashings and bug reports... I just like the attention. ;) Best regards, Anton Persson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090305/b9ae5ffe/attachment.htm From boilersoup at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 23:35:17 2009 From: boilersoup at gmail.com (boilersoup at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:35:17 +0100 Subject: Acceleroids - shoot-the-asteroids game In-Reply-To: <1236286705198-2432133.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1236286705198-2432133.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20090305233517.06b59d4f@uplink> > Hello! > > I'm glad to present you a new fully Freerunner-adapted game - Acceleroids - > a port of SDLRoids (an Asteroids clone). > The ship movement is controlled by an accelerometer while the cannon, shield > and bomb can be activated by touching bottom-right, bottom-left and > top-right corners of the screen accordingly. Shield+Shoot buttons > can be pressed simultaneously as well as Shield+Bomb (some sort of > multi-touch simulation). > > Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/acceleroids/ > Opkg.org: http://www.opkg.org/package_154.html > > The released packages are tested only by myself, so you are welcome to > report about missing dependencies ;). > Have Fun. Great! Everything works ok on shr testing. Installation went as follows: root at om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install http://acceleroids.googlecode.com/files/acceleroids_0.1.0-0_armv4t.ipk Downloading http://acceleroids.googlecode.com/files/acceleroids_0.1.0-0_armv4t.ipk Installing acceleroids (0.1.0-0) to root... Installing libsdl-mixer-1.2-0 (1.2.6-r3) to root... Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//armv4t/libsdl-mixer-1.2-0_1.2.6-r3_armv4t.ipk Installing libvorbis (1.0.1-r2) to root... Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//armv4t/libvorbis_1.0.1-r2_armv4t.ipk Installing libmikmod (3.2.0-beta2-r0) to root... Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//armv4t/libmikmod_3.2.0-beta2-r0_armv4t.ipk Configuring libvorbis Configuring libmikmod Configuring acceleroids Configuring libsdl-mixer-1.2-0 Thanks! :) From boilersoup at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 23:47:01 2009 From: boilersoup at gmail.com (boilersoup at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:47:01 +0100 Subject: A new version of SATAN In-Reply-To: <c0a9d7e10903051429y1a56f7d5oa4d999880b7f5b76@mail.gmail.com> References: <c0a9d7e10903051429y1a56f7d5oa4d999880b7f5b76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090305234701.379bafb9@uplink> > Hi 'yall! > > I just wanted to splash about that I've released a new version of SATAN for > the OpenMoko, available > at http://www.opkg.org/package_34.html. Nice! On shr testing: I had to add: Categories=Office; to satan.desktop to show up the icon on the desktop and install the package libltdl3 Now I need some time and practice to make the soap groove some beats :D From mickey at openmoko.org Fri Mar 6 01:20:47 2009 From: mickey at openmoko.org (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 01:20:47 +0100 Subject: Feedback on FSO 5.1 In-Reply-To: <1236230015317-2427488.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1236230015317-2427488.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1236298847.10602.194.camel@andromeda> Am Mittwoch, den 04.03.2009, 21:13 -0800 schrieb c_c: > I've been using FSO 5.1 for some time now and here is some (late - I know) > feedback. Better late than never :) > I'm using 5.1 with Qi and the standard kernel. > 1. The snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753, modprobe snd-pcm-oss modules do not > get loaded automatically on startup. This is strange, that works here. > 2. I also need to set up the stereoout.state after startup. This works here as well. For some reason it seems your card wasn't found hence the stereoout.state could not be autoset. > 3. Need to install libmad to get mp3 ringtones working. That's expected... patents... > 4. After requesting resource Display / CPU and releasing them - automatic > dimming and suspending stops working (I'm using a rule to suspend the > freerunner if it's not charging). I think there is a fix for this already. Correct, has been fixed post-5.1. > 5. Need the devel packages for elementary. I've tried the svn and the new > version has neat sliders. Can we look at moving to the newer version or is > that unlikely because of the probable dependencies on eina/ecore etc? In > that case can we have the devel versions in the repository? 5.5 will contain newer packages. Our unstable feed should contain newer ones as well. > 6. Can you point me to some place where I can read up on how to patch the > build process for FSO packages? > I want to patch mplayer to use tremor > instead of libvorbis. It's an option in mplayer (and there might be some > breakage too) but where and how so I start any of such stuff? Packaging issues are OE issues, as we build Openmoko out of OE. Please have a look at OE's wiki. Feel free to ask further questions on openembedded-devel at lists.openembedded.org. > 7. Can rules.yaml be made more flexible such as for eg to allow me to use > the aux button to choose amongst three volume settings during a call? I'm not sure whether this is in the scope of oeventsd. It's merely a convenience layer and I expect real applications (not Zhone) handling these things on their own, without going through the rules. > 8. And to have user configurable brightness settings apart from changing > rules.yaml and reloading the rules. (Maybe the values could be picked up > from another file and used thereafter. Just a thought.) Sure thing, as much as we pick the audio ringtone from the preferences, we should do the same with brightness. IIRC there's also a bug about that in FSO trac. > 9. Would like to know how to get my bluetooth headset working in the > interim - till things get all set up in FSO itself. :-) Please see the lists, Jan posted a howto for that. > 10. frameworkd uses upto 70% CPU when changing cells. This is for a brief > period - but 70%? Isn't that too high? Or is that hit because of python - > something we need to live with or are there (possible) methods for reducing > such usage to more acceptable limits? It's something we have to live with for FSO phase 1. I don't want to talk much about it since we still have enough to do for phase 1 until summer, but there will be an FSO phase 2, which is about reimplementing frameworkd in a compiled language -- based on the lessons learned. Cheers, From mickey at openmoko.org Fri Mar 6 01:27:02 2009 From: mickey at openmoko.org (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 01:27:02 +0100 Subject: Musings on Android, OpenMoko and Linux on phones In-Reply-To: <1236257419.8507.105.camel@phantom.hip> References: <1236257419.8507.105.camel@phantom.hip> Message-ID: <1236299222.10602.200.camel@andromeda> Mikko, thanks for this posting. I almost agree with everything. Although in "the age of Android" it's kind of tough to motivate people working on a truly free GNU/Linux stack, I'm sure we (as in freesmartphone.org and Openmoko Inc.) are doing the right thing. You might know I'm still actively working on OpenEZX support for FSO and just recently I aquired an HTC Touch Pro to help these guys getting a free GNU/Linux stack as well. Sadly, 90% of these guys (same as MOTO hackers btw.) are just interested in what Android offers, so it's kind of hard for me to convince them to work on e.g. standard kernel interfaces. I won't give up though :) One last note. Although I'm one of the fathers of OpenEmbedded, I can see how you prefer a stock Debian underneath FSO. And tell you what... I support that. I love it. I also love the Gentoo initiative and OpenWRT. As long as we speak the same middleware and can run the same applications, I don't care what runs us. Thanks again, From valajbeg at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 01:37:40 2009 From: valajbeg at gmail.com (vedran) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 01:37:40 +0100 Subject: new hardware platform Message-ID: <df9706ab0903051637v62ca6e1fge90c8f4be1c3f7e1@mail.gmail.com> I'm sory for asking maybe dumb question but i really can't find anything about new release of hardware. Please could anyone give me any link/tip about that? regards, vedran -- 2/204 - 2/224 - 2/255 - 2/281 - 14/24 - 17/53 - 36/4 ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090306/89c925c0/attachment.htm From robin.paulson at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 02:50:59 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:50:59 +1300 Subject: new hardware platform In-Reply-To: <df9706ab0903051637v62ca6e1fge90c8f4be1c3f7e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <df9706ab0903051637v62ca6e1fge90c8f4be1c3f7e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770903051750l7f16e168m3542a2520dbf2e0b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/6 vedran <valajbeg at gmail.com>: > I'm sory for asking maybe dumb question but i really can't find anything > about new release of hardware. Please could anyone give me any link/tip > about that? which new hardware? i'm sure the latest is gta02, aka freerunner? i haven't seen any announcements concerning the next step - gta03/gta04 - other than vague allusions to something in the future. as many before me have said, announcing anything now would be commercial suicide... see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect there is this, but it looks like a lot of guesswork http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03 From valajbeg at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 03:06:56 2009 From: valajbeg at gmail.com (vedran) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 03:06:56 +0100 Subject: new hardware platform In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770903051750l7f16e168m3542a2520dbf2e0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <df9706ab0903051637v62ca6e1fge90c8f4be1c3f7e1@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903051750l7f16e168m3542a2520dbf2e0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <df9706ab0903051806v38642dfjdf92f311bec0d1f2@mail.gmail.com> Though you are "shocked" for my question, the answere is what i was looking for :D thank you.. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Robin Paulson <robin.paulson at gmail.com>wrote: > 2009/3/6 vedran <valajbeg at gmail.com>: > > I'm sory for asking maybe dumb question but i really can't find anything > > about new release of hardware. Please could anyone give me any link/tip > > about that? > > which new hardware? i'm sure the latest is gta02, aka freerunner? > > i haven't seen any announcements concerning the next step - > gta03/gta04 - other than vague allusions to something in the future. > as many before me have said, announcing anything now would be > commercial suicide... > > see: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect > > there is this, but it looks like a lot of guesswork > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03 > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- www.vedran.ba 2/204 - 2/224 - 2/255 - 2/281 - 14/24 - 17/53 - 36/4 ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090306/07826e30/attachment.htm From daniel at benoy.name Fri Mar 6 03:53:21 2009 From: daniel at benoy.name (Daniel Benoy) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:53:21 -0500 Subject: Detecting ethernet gadget connections In-Reply-To: <1236271709.10602.179.camel@andromeda> References: <200903051001.41804.daniel@benoy.name> <1236271709.10602.179.camel@andromeda> Message-ID: <200903052153.22108.daniel@benoy.name> I just tried that python script, and it shows an event when I connect my USB cable, but not when I disconnect it. On March 5, 2009 11:48:29 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > Am Donnerstag, den 05.03.2009, 10:01 -0500 schrieb Daniel Benoy: > > I'm working on a script that will detect which network interfaces are > > connected and mess with the routing accordingly, but I'm having trouble > > detecting whether my USB ethernet gadget connection is up or down. > > The best way to do this is to listen for netlink route announcements. > That way it's completely instantaneous and without polling. Look here > for an example using python-netlink: > > http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=tools/dump-netlink > > Note that if you're on FSO I expect that after full integration of > connman (milestone6), we will have a global signal like > > org.freesmartphone.Network.ConnectionStatus( s:means, b:online ) > > 'means' being a string that indicates the type, like "GPRS/ppp", > "IP/usb0", "IP/bnep0", etc. > > that you can use. > > :M: > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From cchandel at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 04:18:36 2009 From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 19:18:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [fso] no sound card In-Reply-To: <1236262828.9229.1.camel@port4> References: <1236183439.9779.7.camel@ubuntu> <1236183814.11749.1.camel@port4> <20090304233638.GR3078@sygehus.dk> <1236262828.9229.1.camel@port4> Message-ID: <1236309516337-2433819.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, GNUtoo wrote: > > On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 00:36 +0100, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote: > I know but I was told that OSS was faster > Well, from what I understand, OSS today is mostly Alsa in OSS emulation mode. It's faster only because the quality is lower (not always - that depends on the sampling rate). Ideally, if processor usage wasn't any issue, alsa would give you the best quality and would hence be the better solution. For the Freerunner though, unfortunately sometimes, lower quality is faster and hence desirable. Anyhow, try modprobing the appropriate modules. That should solve the problem. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-fso--no-sound-card-tp2423797p2433819.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From b0ef at esben-stien.name Fri Mar 6 05:50:34 2009 From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:50:34 +0100 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <jwvy6vjx57l.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 05 Mar 2009 12:17:04 -0500") References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <49AE62D0.8070105@hist.no> <200903041427.12578.joerg@openmoko.org> <5c6ceea80903040858q22f1363bk5b2578ea8759416e@mail.gmail.com> <49AFBDD6.8070705@hist.no> <jwvy6vjx57l.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> Message-ID: <87y6vjfe5h.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Stefan Monnier <monnier at iro.umontreal.ca> writes: > (if I could use it as an MP3 player, I'd carry it with me that much > more often Until a fix, you can plug in a USB headset;). -- Esben Stien is b0ef at e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n From freerunner at newkirk.us Fri Mar 6 04:50:20 2009 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 22:50:20 -0500 Subject: SHR testing and TangoGPS problem In-Reply-To: <e10323740903051148y533a5d37pb33fc98a27b7820b@mail.gmail.com> References: <e10323740903051148y533a5d37pb33fc98a27b7820b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090305225020.7c13c1c0@j.newkirk.us> On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:48:49 -0500 Adam Jimerson <vendion at gmail.com> wrote: > I tried to upgrad TangoGPS one my SHR testing install because it > didn't seem like it was working, and fso-gpsd said that it was > running, but when I tried to do it even with -force-depens it removed > the version the SHR testing came with and gave me this error: > > root at om-gta02 ~ $ opkg -force-depends install libsqlite3-0 > libpixman-1-0 libgl > ib-2.0-0 > http://pcl210-00.fit.vutbr.cz/openmoko/libexif_0.6.17_armv4t.ipklibdb > us-glib-1-2 libdbus-1-3 libcurl4 libcairo2 > http://pcl210-00.fit.vutbr.cz/ope nmoko/tangogps_0.9.6-r0_armv4t.ipk > Collected errors: > * Warning: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for tangogps: > * gtk+-fastscaling (>= 2.10.14) * > > Do I need to install a older version of tangogps inorder to get it to > work? You should be good to go. What you got was a warning instead of an error regarding gtk+-fastscaling - exactly what you asked for with the "-force-depends", which makes dependency errors into warnings instead. That said, you may have believed it not installed if the icon didn't appear - if that's the case then edit /usr/share/applications/tangogps.desktop and try changing the "application" category to "applications". BTW - a quick search of wiki or list archives should turn up this answer, keywords like "tangogps" and "fastscaling"... ;) j From cchandel at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 05:01:36 2009 From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:01:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Feedback on FSO 5.1 In-Reply-To: <1236298847.10602.194.camel@andromeda> References: <1236230015317-2427488.post@n2.nabble.com> <1236298847.10602.194.camel@andromeda> Message-ID: <1236312096048-2433913.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, It seems like I always end up having a conversation with you whenever I talk about anything to do with FSO. Thanks for being so patient :-) Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > >> 1. The snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753, modprobe snd-pcm-oss modules do not >> get loaded. > This is strange, that works here. > Well, there are more people having this prob - see http://n2.nabble.com/-fso--no-sound-card-td2423797ef1958.html#a2433819 this . Probably another qi vs uboot issue (I'm guessing though). Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > >> 3. Need to install libmad to get mp3 ringtones working. > That's expected... patents... > Ahh! I wondered why I had to do the same thing everytime. Sad. Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > > 5.5 will contain newer packages. Our unstable feed should contain newer > ones as well. > Well, I can't find any elementary packages on any feed (upwards of 5.1) on downloads.freesmartphone.org. In fact, I wanted to go back to the packages used in 5.1 after I got some from the openmoko feeds - and I couldn't. Are the packages in openmoko feed (which Angus says are from git://git.openembedded.org branch fso/milestone5) going to be the ones you'll be using in 5.5? The version is svnr39300-r4. <rant>I'm trying to move over to elementary for good (being finger friendly and all!). That would mean newer versions of guitartuner/intone/(some name based on opensync)sync all using elementary. But I've been going back and forth between gtk and elementary - since I can't get anything to (cross) build and run on the phone.</rant over> Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > > Packaging issues are OE issues, as we build Openmoko out of OE. Please > have a look at OE's wiki. Feel free to ask further questions on > openembedded-devel at lists.openembedded.org. > There is already a libvorbisidec in the openmoko feeds. Has mplayer already been built to use tremor? Actually, mplayer has the option to use tremor - it just needs to be set during build. And it needs libvorbisidec (which is what you get after building tremor). I'll move over to unstable and check. Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > > I'm not sure whether this is in the scope of oeventsd. It's merely a > convenience layer and I expect real applications (not Zhone) handling > these things on their own, without going through the rules. > OK. So maybe I need to direct that part of the feedback to the paroli team. It would be something that the dialer app will need to handle in that case. I thought rules might let me add that even if the dialer app doesn't. Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > > Sure thing, as much as we pick the audio ringtone from the preferences, we > should do the same with brightness. > Nice. Hopefully that will be solved soon. Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > > Please see the lists, Jan posted a howto for that. > Found it. See http://n2.nabble.com/Problems-with-ASoC-and-Bluetooth-routing-td2388998ef1958.html#a2388998 this . Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > > .... an FSO phase 2, which is about reimplementing frameworkd in a > compiled language -- based on the lessons learned. > Ah! That makes sense. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Feedback-on-FSO-5.1-tp2427488p2433913.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From armadilo at roadknightlabs.com Fri Mar 6 02:23:22 2009 From: armadilo at roadknightlabs.com (Steve " 'dillo" Okay) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 02:23:22 +0100 Subject: Flashing GSM firmware In-Reply-To: <200903051926.58462.joerg@openmoko.org> References: <mailman.1211.1235360901.15778.community@lists.openmoko.org> <alpine.LFD.2.00.0903051519060.2226@risby.home.teaparty.net> <49B00FB0.6080901@openmoko.com> <200903051926.58462.joerg@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <6D0A58F5-7323-4885-B01E-1185A874B6F7@roadknightlabs.com> On Mar 5, 2009, at 19:26 , Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > Am Do 5. M?rz 2009 schrieb Andy Green: >> Somebody in the thread at some point said: >> | On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Paul Fertser wrote: >> | >> |> Alternatively, try Joerg's uSD automated image: >> |> >> > http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/moko11/flash- > moko11_uSD-image.tar.gz >> |> >> |> It works and reliably flashes the firmware for you. This actually did it for me. I gave up on doing it by hand last week and just went out and got a SIM for Wind, it was just quicker. When I saw this message though, I thought I should give it one more try. It works. The Vodaphone SIM that was giving me so much trouble now registers properly in Zhone and Qtopia. FFR, the flash-moko11_uSD-image file just barely fits onto the main flash of the FR so you can dd it from there onto your uSD. Thanks for all your help, ----Steve From karadog at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 05:33:47 2009 From: karadog at gmail.com (HouYu Li) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:33:47 +0800 Subject: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released In-Reply-To: <200903060711.45279.chris@csamuel.org> References: <200903052149.54813.chris@csamuel.org> <49AFDDCE.1060703@enable.cl> <ea736a480903050646l5acba151i3cbaafc850f43fc7@mail.gmail.com> <200903060711.45279.chris@csamuel.org> Message-ID: <ea736a480903052033k48e4eb95ncff061a36f283fa4@mail.gmail.com> Now, the image, binary and details is here: http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/ On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Chris Samuel <chris at csamuel.org> wrote: > On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 1:46:03 am HouYu Li wrote: > > > Just had a test. Echo is there, and incoming call is received twice > > That's a shame! 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URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090306/ea78012e/attachment.htm From nytowl at openmoko.org Fri Mar 6 06:22:25 2009 From: nytowl at openmoko.org (Angus Ainslie) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:22:25 -0700 Subject: Feedback on FSO 5.1 In-Reply-To: <1236312096048-2433913.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1236230015317-2427488.post@n2.nabble.com> <1236298847.10602.194.camel@andromeda> <1236312096048-2433913.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1236316945.5938.3.camel@think-laptop> On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 20:01 -0800, c_c wrote: > Are the packages in openmoko feed (which Angus says are from > git://git.openembedded.org branch fso/milestone5) going to be the ones > you'll be using in 5.5? The version is svnr39300-r4. Thanks updated the readme. The binaries at downloads.openmoko.org are built from the fso/milestone5.5 branch. Angus From odinshorse at googlemail.com Fri Mar 6 07:41:55 2009 From: odinshorse at googlemail.com (Sven Rebhan) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 07:41:55 +0100 Subject: Freerunner freely runs Gentoo In-Reply-To: <359c5480903051108h3e8dd868k6edc1ca8ff4bc2f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <3dc1583f0903030510j476446e1w865d16b12778a306@mail.gmail.com> <359c5480903030947i7a1046ffl64977f71923df062@mail.gmail.com> <3dc1583f0903030954i57459580w90d9b63909fe3473@mail.gmail.com> <359c5480903051108h3e8dd868k6edc1ca8ff4bc2f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3dc1583f0903052241w10c43ea9va2761e2946f712d3@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/5 Nicola Mfb <nicola.mfb at gmail.com>: > Is there a mailing-list for gentoo on freerunner discussions too? the one on > lists.projects.openmoko.org seems to be died. Please visit http://gentoo.mindzoo.de you will find answers on the frontpage! :-) Sven From guru at unixarea.de Fri Mar 6 07:52:33 2009 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 07:52:33 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.9] ButtonPress event for button 3 (right mouse button) Message-ID: <20090306065233.GA2807@rebelion.Sisis.de> Hi, The question is seriously, so please don't respond with 'use the right finger': How can I generate the X11 event ButtonPress/ButtonRelease for button 3, i.e. the right button of the mouse, with the touchpad of the FR? Thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e <matthias.apitz at oclc.org> - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ From risto at kurppa.fi Fri Mar 6 08:22:04 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:22:04 +0200 Subject: Jury & updated rules for the first openmoko programming competition Message-ID: <d3e504410903052322w1215ffa3sba91e4c77b3c971a@mail.gmail.com> Hi there! Some updates to the first programming competition for Openmoko phones where the participants are given the task to write a podcast/audiobook player for Openmoko phones. First things first: Michael ?Mickey? Laurel, the leader of the FSO project and a former Openmoko employee is now a member of the jury. We?re still waiting for others to reply. Thanks Mickey! Based on the community feedback we did some small changes / additions in the rules, see http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/juryupdated-rules-for-the-om-programming-competition/ Read the original announcement and full rules at http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/announcing-the-first-programming-competition-for-openmoko-phones/ Aapo Rantalainen & Risto H. Kurppa -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Fri Mar 6 08:27:17 2009 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:27:17 +0200 Subject: How to install cli-framework on my Neo FreeRunner In-Reply-To: <979400.2716.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> (sandilya b.'s message of "Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:27:07 -0800 (PST)") References: <979400.2716.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <84iqmnru0a.fsf@sauna.l.org> sandilya b <san_dimitri at yahoo.com> writes: > I just got an openmoko freerunner phone and want to install > cli-framework on it to use the various features of the d-bus > system. Can someone help me with it? Which distro are you running? I think the phone is shipped with some om2007.X that does not offer org.freesmartphone api. From risto at kurppa.fi Fri Mar 6 08:33:10 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:33:10 +0200 Subject: [Om2008.9] ButtonPress event for button 3 (right mouse button) In-Reply-To: <20090306065233.GA2807@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20090306065233.GA2807@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <d3e504410903052333m5292717fw8a9a0f89c8753265@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Matthias Apitz <guru at unixarea.de> wrote: > > Hi, > > The question is seriously, so please don't respond with 'use the right > finger': How can I generate the X11 event ButtonPress/ButtonRelease for > button 3, i.e. the right button of the mouse, with the touchpad of the > FR? Thx > > ? ? ? ?matthias Could the AUX be used for this: clicking the screen with AUX pressed could generate the right click? I don't know how to do this, there have been some scripts around that change the behaviour of AUX when running a program (for example I've had it in PDF viewers to exit the full screen mode - without it you're stuck in the fullscreen mode as there's no ESC to clik :/ Hope it helps.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From ed at kapitein.org Fri Mar 6 08:54:49 2009 From: ed at kapitein.org (Ed Kapitein) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:54:49 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.9] ButtonPress event for button 3 (right mouse button) In-Reply-To: <20090306065233.GA2807@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20090306065233.GA2807@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <1236326089.8272.5.camel@lp-00079> On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 07:52 +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: > Hi, > > The question is seriously, so please don't respond with 'use the right > finger': How can I generate the X11 event ButtonPress/ButtonRelease for > button 3, i.e. the right button of the mouse, with the touchpad of the > FR? Thx > > matthias Hi Matthias, The way i work arround this is by having an xmessage with three buttons. if i press button 1 xmodmap wil map the click to button 1 if i press button 2 xmodmap wil map the click to button 2 for a while if i press button 3 xmodmap wil map the click to button 3 for a while (right click) It is not perfect, but it suits my needs. ( using all mouse functions in vnc for example ) Kind regards, Ed From guru at unixarea.de Fri Mar 6 09:04:26 2009 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:04:26 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.9] ButtonPress event for button 3 (right mouse button) In-Reply-To: <1236326089.8272.5.camel@lp-00079> References: <20090306065233.GA2807@rebelion.Sisis.de> <1236326089.8272.5.camel@lp-00079> Message-ID: <20090306080425.GA1704@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Friday, March 06, 2009 a las 08:54:49AM +0100, Ed Kapitein escribi?: > > On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 07:52 +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Hi, > > > > The question is seriously, so please don't respond with 'use the right > > finger': How can I generate the X11 event ButtonPress/ButtonRelease for > > button 3, i.e. the right button of the mouse, with the touchpad of the > > FR? Thx > > > > matthias > > Hi Matthias, > > The way i work arround this is by having an xmessage with three buttons. > if i press button 1 xmodmap wil map the click to button 1 > if i press button 2 xmodmap wil map the click to button 2 for a while > if i press button 3 xmodmap wil map the click to button 3 for a while > (right click) > > It is not perfect, but it suits my needs. ( using all mouse functions in > vnc for example ) Hi Ed, Yes, I need it exactly for vncviewer; could you please be so kind and mail me your scripts; in Om2008.9 there is not even xmessage, but I think I can 'borrow' one from Debian; Thx and kind regards matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e <matthias.apitz at oclc.org> - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Fri Mar 6 09:06:57 2009 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:06:57 +0200 Subject: [Om2008.9] ButtonPress event for button 3 (right mouse button) In-Reply-To: <1236326089.8272.5.camel@lp-00079> (Ed Kapitein's message of "Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:54:49 +0100") References: <20090306065233.GA2807@rebelion.Sisis.de> <1236326089.8272.5.camel@lp-00079> Message-ID: <84eixbrs66.fsf@sauna.l.org> Ed Kapitein <ed at kapitein.org> writes: > The way i work arround this is by having an xmessage with three buttons. xmodmap did not work for me with Xglamo, are you using Xorg? From ed at kapitein.org Fri Mar 6 09:27:03 2009 From: ed at kapitein.org (Ed Kapitein) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:27:03 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.9] ButtonPress event for button 3 (right mouse button) In-Reply-To: <20090306080425.GA1704@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20090306065233.GA2807@rebelion.Sisis.de> <1236326089.8272.5.camel@lp-00079> <20090306080425.GA1704@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <1236328023.8272.11.camel@lp-00079> On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 09:04 +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d?a Friday, March 06, 2009 a las 08:54:49AM +0100, Ed Kapitein escribi?: > > > > > On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 07:52 +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > The question is seriously, so please don't respond with 'use the right > > > finger': How can I generate the X11 event ButtonPress/ButtonRelease for > > > button 3, i.e. the right button of the mouse, with the touchpad of the > > > FR? Thx > > > > > > matthias > > > > Hi Matthias, > > > > The way i work arround this is by having an xmessage with three buttons. > > if i press button 1 xmodmap wil map the click to button 1 > > if i press button 2 xmodmap wil map the click to button 2 for a while > > if i press button 3 xmodmap wil map the click to button 3 for a while > > (right click) > > > > It is not perfect, but it suits my needs. ( using all mouse functions in > > vnc for example ) > > Hi Ed, > > Yes, I need it exactly for vncviewer; could you please be so kind and > mail me your scripts; in Om2008.9 there is not even xmessage, but I > think I can 'borrow' one from Debian; > > Thx and kind regards > > matthias Sure, it is at http://www.kapitein.org/openmoko/mod_mouse But be aware, i run this script on the host where i connect to, not on the freerunner itself. i use kde, so i added a symlink to the script in ~/.kde/Autostart. This way every time i log in to my desktop the xmessage is triggered. Hope this helps. Kind regards, Ed From guru at unixarea.de Fri Mar 6 09:35:35 2009 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:35:35 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.9] ButtonPress event for button 3 (right mouse button) In-Reply-To: <1236328023.8272.11.camel@lp-00079> References: <20090306065233.GA2807@rebelion.Sisis.de> <1236326089.8272.5.camel@lp-00079> <20090306080425.GA1704@rebelion.Sisis.de> <1236328023.8272.11.camel@lp-00079> Message-ID: <20090306083535.GA2472@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Friday, March 06, 2009 a las 09:27:03AM +0100, Ed Kapitein escribi?: > Sure, it is at http://www.kapitein.org/openmoko/mod_mouse > > But be aware, i run this script on the host where i connect to, not on > the freerunner itself. > i use kde, so i added a symlink to the script in ~/.kde/Autostart. > This way every time i log in to my desktop the xmessage is triggered. > > Hope this helps. Thanks for that; but I think it does not help me out; this trick would change the mouse buttons *inside* the desktop presented by the vncviewer and not in the X11 server running on the FR. It seems that the vncviewer (vnc_3.3.7-r0, see the other thread in the mailing list with the Subject: [Om2008.9] vncviewer vnc_3.3.7-r0 but ...) needs a right button click into the scrollbars of the vncviewer application itself to get moved backward (don't know if this is true, but at least someone said so); Thanks anyway matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e <matthias.apitz at oclc.org> - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ From djdas at djdas.net Fri Mar 6 10:01:08 2009 From: djdas at djdas.net (DJDAS) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:01:08 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.9] ButtonPress event for button 3 (right mouse button) In-Reply-To: <20090306065233.GA2807@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20090306065233.GA2807@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <49B0E654.7030806@djdas.net> Matthias Apitz ha scritto: > Hi, > > The question is seriously, so please don't respond with 'use the right > finger': How can I generate the X11 event ButtonPress/ButtonRelease for > button 3, i.e. the right button of the mouse, with the touchpad of the > FR? Thx > Sorry for that, I was in funny humor yesterday :) Normal use in touch screen devices is to catch the "long touch" as right mouse, Qtopia does this, in fact if you open notes in Om2008.x distros create a note and then on that one you click and hold your finger you'll see a popup menu. I think the same could be implemented by frameworks or by daemons but unfortunately I don't know how. This could solve almost the right-click I think mid click could be solved with a button (AUX?) and left click or right click as suggested by Risto Bye :) From helge.hafting at hist.no Fri Mar 6 10:22:32 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:22:32 +0100 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <49B01122.5030105@openmoko.com> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <49AE62D0.8070105@hist.no> <200903041427.12578.joerg@openmoko.org> <5c6ceea80903040858q22f1363bk5b2578ea8759416e@mail.gmail.com> <49AFBDD6.8070705@hist.no> <jwvy6vjx57l.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> <49B01122.5030105@openmoko.com> Message-ID: <49B0EB58.8080809@hist.no> Andy Green wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Somebody in the thread at some point said: > |> I have suggested a refinement on the second approach: short the small > |> capacitors. Add big caps outside the shielded unit - there are places > |> with room. But don't put wires from the caps into the shielded > |> unit. Connect them to the headset plug instead, and break the plug's > |> normal connection to the circuit board. This approach won't pick up any > |> more buzz than the headset based solution, or the current bassless > |> setup. And you can use any headset you want. > | > |> The big question is - is it safe to short those small capacitors? Or > |> will that have other side effects, such as draining the battery or > |> disturbing sound on the built-in speaker? > > There are a couple of 1K resistors to 0V that will then connect directly > ~ to the amp outputs all the time before the new DC blocking caps you > will add back in. But thanks to some recent patches by Mark Brown on > andy-tracking, we should keep the amp turned off more often. > Can these be safely removed? Are they there just to make sure the capacitors slowly drain, so you don't get a pop when plugging something in? Or do they have other purposes as well? > |> Another question - is a single big capacitor enough, if it is put into > |> the ground line instead of having one cap for each of the stereo > |> channels? Or will that wreck stereo sound? One could then use a even > |> bigger cap. > > You'd need to do both channels; the one with the unchanged cap will > sound the same as always otherwise. You misunderstand. I did not propose to do only one channel. I planned on shorting both the small caps. Then, instead of one big cap on each of the stereo lines: LEave the stereo lines connected as-is. Break the ground line (which is common to both channels) and insert a single big cap there instead. Slightly less work, and perhaps a bigger capacitor will fit. (It'd probably have to be bigger too, as the two channels often enough have the same signal.) > > |> There is lots of easily accessible room next to the battery, above the > |> SIM card. > | > | I'd love to see a good answer to those questions. Currently, it's > | unusable as an MP3 player and that's an important use for me (if > | I could use it as an MP3 player, I'd carry it with me that much more > | often, which would in turn increase my use of it). > > Lifting the can and meddling with the caps is nontrivial. Somebody did > give this plan a go on the list about 6 months ago and reported some > success though. But I don't recommend considering it unless you are in > an experimental frame of mind and can deal with the fiddling and risk > involved. I understand that it won't be trivial. Maybe not for me. But if openmoko creates a standard procedure for this improvement too, then I can have an electronic repair shop do everything in one go - both buzz and bass fixes. That will cost me less than having the fixes done separately, even if both fixes together may cost a bit more than buzz only. I hope to ship the phone only once, the repair guy will need to open it only once... A mass fix will be especially cheap - a good technician doing identical fixes on a big stack of phones won't need much time on each. It seems like pulster might set up something like that - but they surely need a procedure, before they can train someone for the job! I hope some thought goes into this for the gta03. Sound output from a phone obviously has low power, but it should be as hi-fi as the sound chip allows. Ideally, a balanced output that don't use (or need) caps. One can play uncompressed wav files, and use a high-quality headset or connect to a regular stereo system. Openmoko could have sound enthusiast customers, as well as linux enthusiasts. Helge Hafting From helge.hafting at hist.no Fri Mar 6 10:29:52 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:29:52 +0100 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <87y6vjfe5h.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <49AE62D0.8070105@hist.no> <200903041427.12578.joerg@openmoko.org> <5c6ceea80903040858q22f1363bk5b2578ea8759416e@mail.gmail.com> <49AFBDD6.8070705@hist.no> <jwvy6vjx57l.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> <87y6vjfe5h.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> Message-ID: <49B0ED10.70405@hist.no> Esben Stien wrote: > Stefan Monnier <monnier at iro.umontreal.ca> writes: > >> (if I could use it as an MP3 player, I'd carry it with me that much >> more often > > Until a fix, you can plug in a USB headset;). Won't that rule out simultanous charging with the usb car charger? Anyway, some setup will be necessary, right? A usb headset headset will be a completely new sound device. Can the phone detect it when it gets plugged in, and then do all the configuration? So the sound player will "just work" Or will we have to go into the settings and change between host and device mode each time the phone is switched between usb headset and pc connection? :-/ Helge Hafting From helge.hafting at hist.no Fri Mar 6 10:34:56 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:34:56 +0100 Subject: Yaouh! 0.5.1 out In-Reply-To: <49AFAE4C.1090805@napodano.com> References: <49AFAE4C.1090805@napodano.com> Message-ID: <49B0EE40.4080608@hist.no> Carlo Minucci wrote: > * delete freespace check and progress bar > * now work with tangogps default config file > * work in SHR too (i hope :) ) > * change icon with a picture taken during my holiday in Vespa :) > It works on SHR testing indeed. Nice icon! :-) Helge Hafting From mok at mnet-online.de Fri Mar 6 10:37:31 2009 From: mok at mnet-online.de (Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:37:31 +0100 Subject: New SHR-Testing release Message-ID: <200903061037.31735.mok@mnet-online.de> Hi all, for those of you who didn't see the blog on Openmoko-Planet or read the SHR Mailinglist... We did publish new testing images. Get them at http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ but read the announcement first: http://blog.shr-project.org/2009/03/time-for-testing.html We hope you like it and want you to tell us if you managed to call your grandma with it... or even better if your grandma managed to do a phone call with it :-) Problems, bugs and critics are welcome too. Report bugs at: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac or pass by in IRC on freenode at #openmoko-cdevel. Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann From openmoko at ginguppin.de Fri Mar 6 10:39:50 2009 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:39:50 +0100 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <68da43e00903051120l6bd81efen4473b56982c7e58c@mail.gmail.com> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <49AE62D0.8070105@hist.no> <200903041427.12578.joerg@openmoko.org> <5c6ceea80903040858q22f1363bk5b2578ea8759416e@mail.gmail.com> <49AFBDD6.8070705@hist.no> <jwvy6vjx57l.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> <68da43e00903051120l6bd81efen4473b56982c7e58c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <op.uqc6gow441evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de> > Have you tried tweaking the alsa profiles and set Bass Filter to > either 100Hz @ 8kHz (== 600Hz @ 48kHz) or 200Hz @ 8kHz (== 1200Hz @ > 48kHz) and Bass Boost to 15? I find the quality just fine for eg. any chance somebody translates that audiophile gibberish into alsa state file gibberish? From andy at openmoko.com Fri Mar 6 10:40:28 2009 From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:40:28 +0000 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <49B0EB58.8080809@hist.no> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <49AE62D0.8070105@hist.no> <200903041427.12578.joerg@openmoko.org> <5c6ceea80903040858q22f1363bk5b2578ea8759416e@mail.gmail.com> <49AFBDD6.8070705@hist.no> <jwvy6vjx57l.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> <49B01122.5030105@openmoko.com> <49B0EB58.8080809@hist.no> Message-ID: <49B0EF8C.8040808@openmoko.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: |> There are a couple of 1K resistors to 0V that will then connect directly |> ~ to the amp outputs all the time before the new DC blocking caps you |> will add back in. But thanks to some recent patches by Mark Brown on |> andy-tracking, we should keep the amp turned off more often. |> | Can these be safely removed? Are they there just to make sure the | capacitors slowly drain, so you don't get a pop when plugging something in? | | Or do they have other purposes as well? The headphone action is overloaded with a digital connection to the GSM chipset. It's only used in factory though. I guess the 1Ks were added as some protection against large voltages developing on what would be floating nets on headset insertion, etc. |> |> Another question - is a single big capacitor enough, if it is put into |> |> the ground line instead of having one cap for each of the stereo |> |> channels? Or will that wreck stereo sound? One could then use a even |> |> bigger cap. |> |> You'd need to do both channels; the one with the unchanged cap will |> sound the same as always otherwise. | | You misunderstand. I did not propose to do only one channel. | I planned on shorting both the small caps. Then, instead of one big cap | on each of the stereo lines: LEave the stereo lines connected as-is. | Break the ground line (which is common to both channels) and insert a | single big cap there instead. Slightly less work, and perhaps a bigger | capacitor will fit. (It'd probably have to be bigger too, as the two | channels often enough have the same signal.) Yes I didn't get your point. But I don't think it's the same action as one cap before each transducer and a direct common low-impedence ground reference. The two signals will mix where they join at the single capacitor and the impedence depends on the frequency. |> |> There is lots of easily accessible room next to the battery, above the |> |> SIM card. |> | |> | I'd love to see a good answer to those questions. Currently, it's |> | unusable as an MP3 player and that's an important use for me (if |> | I could use it as an MP3 player, I'd carry it with me that much more |> | often, which would in turn increase my use of it). |> |> Lifting the can and meddling with the caps is nontrivial. Somebody did |> give this plan a go on the list about 6 months ago and reported some Well, point taken. | I hope some thought goes into this for the gta03. Sound output from a | phone obviously has low power, but it should be as hi-fi as the sound | chip allows. Ideally, a balanced output that don't use (or need) caps. | One can play uncompressed wav files, and use a high-quality headset or | connect to a regular stereo system. Openmoko could have sound | enthusiast customers, as well as linux enthusiasts. We have 47uF series caps on this circuit right now on 3D7K (new name for old GTA03). - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmw74sACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrJ/QCfV0j30BJKibqrQBgSVRwge97b fB0Amwcbt4IK1rcQ0QyGmJzrhGX+nu0t =OfX+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tonyberth at googlemail.com Fri Mar 6 10:41:49 2009 From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:41:49 +0100 Subject: [Cellhunter] In-Reply-To: <20090305184936.729377b8@penguin.cz> References: <3494db260903050858s28aa7312g6932fae5d7a97e27@mail.gmail.com> <20090305184936.729377b8@penguin.cz> Message-ID: <3494db260903060141h2f275ac9k88c6789186007de@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Petr Vanek <vanous at penguin.cz> wrote: > On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:58:11 +0100 > Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com> (TB) wrote: > > >it seems that there is no log generated! > > > >I'm using the latest package on the latest SHR unstable image! > > > >Thanks > > > >Tony > > > > You have to press three buttons for offline function: > > auto check > auto submit > offline > > > -- > Petr Van?k > > yes indeed. Thank you. Sorry I didn't see that before sending that e-mail :( -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090306/aa90fe37/attachment.htm From tilman at baumann.name Fri Mar 6 10:47:20 2009 From: tilman at baumann.name (Tilman Baumann) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:47:20 +0100 Subject: New SHR-Testing release In-Reply-To: <200903061037.31735.mok@mnet-online.de> References: <200903061037.31735.mok@mnet-online.de> Message-ID: <49B0F128.2090506@baumann.name> Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: > Hi all, > > for those of you who didn't see the blog on Openmoko-Planet or read the SHR > Mailinglist... We did publish new testing images. Time for re-install by image or is opkg upgrade safe? -- Imagination is more important than knowledge. Albert Einstein From helge.hafting at hist.no Fri Mar 6 10:48:21 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:48:21 +0100 Subject: Musings on Android, OpenMoko and Linux on phones In-Reply-To: <1236299222.10602.200.camel@andromeda> References: <1236257419.8507.105.camel@phantom.hip> <1236299222.10602.200.camel@andromeda> Message-ID: <49B0F165.7040806@hist.no> Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > Mikko, thanks for this posting. I almost agree with everything. Although > in "the age of Android" it's kind of tough to motivate people working on > a truly free GNU/Linux stack, I'm sure we (as in freesmartphone.org and > Openmoko Inc.) are doing the right thing. > My impression is that android can't do precisely what I got the freerunner for - let me run my own stuff. I pick and choose apps I want. And I did my own screen keyboard because the english layout wasn't good enough for my use. Did that in a couple of hours, no need to get a SDK or anything. When I see a problem in an app that I can easily fix, I do so, and share the fix. Others do so too, so there is improvement all the time. This sort of thing it what keeps open source and linux going in general. I am sure it will work for openmoko too. Who cares if android gets bigger? There will always open distros too. And openmoko phones can run either system, so the maker don't have to "take sides". > You might know I'm still actively working on OpenEZX support for FSO and > just recently I aquired an HTC Touch Pro to help these guys getting a > free GNU/Linux stack as well. Sadly, 90% of these guys (same as MOTO > hackers btw.) are just interested in what Android offers, so it's kind > of hard for me to convince them to work on e.g. standard kernel > interfaces. I won't give up though :) > Well, if android cannot be open due to DRM, then they can be outcompeted on features. They will likely have more polished mainstream stuff, we will have lots of special stuff they will never get. Helge Hafting From pander at users.sourceforge.net Fri Mar 6 10:49:31 2009 From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:49:31 +0100 Subject: Troubles with opkg.org repo Message-ID: <49B0F1AB.5050101@users.sourceforge.net> Hi all, I have for now disabled the opkg.org repo on my FreeRunner. It kept disturbing opkg update and opkg upgrade. It also offers packages like cellhunter which are not hosted on opkg.org, are identical in files, but result in segmentation fault of opkg. So back to normal and explicit opkg inst http:// until (hopefull soon) opkg.org repo is not causing so much crashes of opkg. Regards, Pander From helge.hafting at hist.no Fri Mar 6 10:50:51 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:50:51 +0100 Subject: Another attempt at speeding up yaouh, with persistent connections In-Reply-To: <200903051142.31909.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> References: <1236023693621-2411310.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770903050026k6e0aba9ar9e56087d56840e51@mail.gmail.com> <49AFA58B.50509@hist.no> <200903051142.31909.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <49B0F1FB.7080308@hist.no> Al Johnson wrote: > On Thursday 05 March 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: >> Fixing this in advance is a better approach - but I'd rather spend time >> on a much better fix using libcurl. That would speed yaouh up further >> also. But this have to wait until someone ports pycurl to the freerunner. > > No porting needed - pycurl is in OE. > > bitbake python-pycurl I haven't yet set up any development tools, which is why I worked on a python program. Is there an ipk/opk file, or at least something that can be installed with tar? Helge Hafting From pander at users.sourceforge.net Fri Mar 6 10:52:05 2009 From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:52:05 +0100 Subject: [Cellhunter] In-Reply-To: <3494db260903060141h2f275ac9k88c6789186007de@mail.gmail.com> References: <3494db260903050858s28aa7312g6932fae5d7a97e27@mail.gmail.com> <20090305184936.729377b8@penguin.cz> <3494db260903060141h2f275ac9k88c6789186007de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B0F245.3040000@users.sourceforge.net> If I submit data, when is it available on the online database and OSM/Google maps? Tony Berth wrote: > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Petr Vanek <vanous at penguin.cz > <mailto:vanous at penguin.cz>> wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:58:11 +0100 > Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com > <mailto:tonyberth at googlemail.com>> (TB) wrote: > > >it seems that there is no log generated! > > > >I'm using the latest package on the latest SHR unstable image! > > > >Thanks > > > >Tony > > > > You have to press three buttons for offline function: > > auto check > auto submit > offline > > > -- > Petr Van?k > > > yes indeed. Thank you. Sorry I didn't see that before sending that > e-mail :( > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From mok at mnet-online.de Fri Mar 6 10:53:44 2009 From: mok at mnet-online.de (Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:53:44 +0100 Subject: New SHR-Testing release In-Reply-To: <49B0F128.2090506@baumann.name> References: <200903061037.31735.mok@mnet-online.de> <49B0F128.2090506@baumann.name> Message-ID: <200903061053.44807.mok@mnet-online.de> Am Freitag 06 M?rz 2009 10:47:20 schrieb Tilman Baumann: > Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > for those of you who didn't see the blog on Openmoko-Planet or read the > > SHR Mailinglist... We did publish new testing images. > > Time for re-install by image or is opkg upgrade safe? See the announcement :-) upgrading from old shr-testing does not work... Sombody even tried it me thinks. Changing the repo config and upgrading from shr- unstable is supposed to work though. Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann From openmoko at ginguppin.de Fri Mar 6 10:54:05 2009 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:54:05 +0100 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <49B0ED10.70405@hist.no> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <49AE62D0.8070105@hist.no> <200903041427.12578.joerg@openmoko.org> <5c6ceea80903040858q22f1363bk5b2578ea8759416e@mail.gmail.com> <49AFBDD6.8070705@hist.no> <jwvy6vjx57l.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> <87y6vjfe5h.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <49B0ED10.70405@hist.no> Message-ID: <op.uqc64f2e41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de> > Anyway, some setup will be necessary, right? A usb headset headset will > be a completely new sound device. Can the phone detect it when it gets > plugged in, and then do all the configuration? So the sound player will > "just work" Or will we have to go into the settings and change between > host and device mode each time the phone is switched between usb headset > and pc connection? :-/ nothing an appropriate udev rule couldn't handle, i think. on a more generic level it could be handled by fso-frameworkd as well. From theBohemian at gmx.net Fri Mar 6 10:57:46 2009 From: theBohemian at gmx.net (Robert Schuster) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:57:46 +0100 Subject: Upgrade your phone? Message-ID: <49B0F39A.7070204@gmx.net> Hi, this teasing blog post[0] inspired the following idea. If have no idea what this thing on the picture will really be but it could be a mainboard that fits into the case of a freerunner. The Samsung CPU in the Freerunner is for ARM what a 386 is for x86 architecture. Even the old N770 had a better CPU. We all know that at the time the Freerunner was designed no better chip was available under the conditions OM would want them: Freedom and all. :) However nowadays things have changed a bit and there are also some 'bugs' in the current Freerunner design (Glamo *cough*) which limit the Freerunner's performance. Now would'nt it be cool if you could buy a new mainboard containing an up-to-date armv6/armv7-based CPU, that fits into the Freerunner case and can be connected to the peripherals that are already there (display, GSM antenna, buttons, ...). With the case and hardware specs being available for anyone it not even neccessary that OM provides such an 'upgrade board'. It could be done by anyone with the neccessary infrastructure and knowledge. Heck even we - the community - could probably do something. Have you seen how small the Overo's[1] are? The design of a mobile phone based on existing HW by a community was even attempted earlier already[2]. Regards Robert [0] - http://www.om.vptt.ch/site/?p=663 [1] - http://gumstix.com/store/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=211 [2] - http://www.opencellphone.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From helge.hafting at hist.no Fri Mar 6 10:58:58 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:58:58 +0100 Subject: [SHR - Latest unstable] TangoGPS In-Reply-To: <3494db260903050734x502e8c8ar109f889654492be3@mail.gmail.com> References: <3494db260903050615h3ab59df1uf2b09e1fc0372562@mail.gmail.com> <49AFED75.4090300@hist.no> <3494db260903050734x502e8c8ar109f889654492be3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B0F3E2.6060601@hist.no> Tony Berth wrote: > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Helge Hafting <helge.hafting at hist.no > <mailto:helge.hafting at hist.no>> wrote: > > Tony Berth wrote: > > after installing the latest SHR-unstable immage and tried to edit the > > tangoGPS config parameters, when saving the application crashes! > > > > This wasn't the case with the previous image and the 0.9.3 > tangoGPS version! > > > > Any tip how to correct that? > > > Install tangogps 0.9.3, edit settings, upgrade to 0.9.6 :-( > > Actually, the folder for gps tracks can be edited > The map folder cannot, but that can be worked around using a symlink > instead. > > You might want to let the tangogps developer know too, it might get > fixed in the next version then. > > Helge Hafting > > > so the problem is within tangoGPS in that specific version? Nothing to > do with SHR? > > Can't I upgrade from 0.9.5? Where can I find 0.9.3? I am not sure. Google for somewhere to find it. Or pull it out of some older roots. shr.bearstech.com has filesystems going back to jan-22. I never tried changing settings on 0.9.5, so maybe it works there. Try! I just know that it worked on even older versions, and then people started complaining with v. 0.9.5 or so. I jsut installed 0.9.6 into a SHR testing image, and couldn't change settings. So I did it the easy way - I gave up and made a symlink from /home/root/Maps to where I have the maps on the sdcard. Silly solution but works fine. Helge Hafting From guru at unixarea.de Fri Mar 6 11:03:43 2009 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:03:43 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.9] ButtonPress event for button 3 (right mouse button) In-Reply-To: <op.uqc67ir841evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de> References: <20090306065233.GA2807@rebelion.Sisis.de> <1236326089.8272.5.camel@lp-00079> <20090306080425.GA1704@rebelion.Sisis.de> <op.uqc67ir841evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de> Message-ID: <20090306100343.GA5002@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Friday, March 06, 2009 a las 10:55:56AM +0100, arne anka escribi?: > > think I can 'borrow' one from Debian; > > well, why don't you borrow xorg-xserver-input-tslib as well? or at least > libgtkstylus.so? > 2008.9 uses xorg, right? No: root at om-gta02:~# ps ax | fgrep X 1413 ? S 0:00 xinit /etc/X11/Xsession -- /usr/bin/Xglamo :0 -pn +extension Composite -nolisten tcp -dpi 285 -screen 480x640 -hide-cursor -br 1421 ? S< 9:14 /usr/bin/Xglamo :0 -pn +extension Composite -nolisten tcp -dpi 285 -screen 480x640 -hide-cursor -br 1424 ? S 0:00 /bin/sh /etc/X11/Xsession 1433 ? S 0:00 run-parts /etc/X11/Xsession.d matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e <matthias.apitz at oclc.org> - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ From klemmster at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 11:04:34 2009 From: klemmster at gmail.com (Richy) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:04:34 +0100 Subject: Acceleroids - shoot-the-asteroids game In-Reply-To: <20090305233517.06b59d4f@uplink> References: <1236286705198-2432133.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090305233517.06b59d4f@uplink> Message-ID: <9e7398030903060204s7916ea1bo92e960902411de32@mail.gmail.com> It works very well and is lots of fun. Maybe a little too sensitive? 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Just set a higher metric on usb0, then routes thorough eth0 will be preferred when available. The default route through usb0 will only be used as a last resort when there is no other way. Such a setup works very well on my laptop. It doesn't on the freerunner yet, because the "ip" utility in busybox currently can't set metrics. But port that (or use debian with its binary ip utility) and you'll be fine. Helge Hafting From tilman at baumann.name Fri Mar 6 11:13:41 2009 From: tilman at baumann.name (Tilman Baumann) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:13:41 +0100 Subject: New SHR-Testing release In-Reply-To: <200903061053.44807.mok@mnet-online.de> References: <200903061037.31735.mok@mnet-online.de> <49B0F128.2090506@baumann.name> <200903061053.44807.mok@mnet-online.de> Message-ID: <49B0F755.9020107@baumann.name> Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: > Am Freitag 06 M?rz 2009 10:47:20 schrieb Tilman Baumann: >> Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> for those of you who didn't see the blog on Openmoko-Planet or read the >>> SHR Mailinglist... We did publish new testing images. >> Time for re-install by image or is opkg upgrade safe? > See the announcement :-) upgrading from old shr-testing does not work... Sombody > even tried it me thinks. Changing the repo config and upgrading from shr- > unstable is supposed to work though. Oh, sorry. I was a bit unclear. I was on unstable before and I intend to stay on the bleeding edge. (Or at least see where that brings me...) Question is, what will happen if I do nothing. Is the new unstable a clean continuation of the old unstable or does it break updates? Or should I just go testing anyway because unstable is really not intended for real use? -- Imagination is more important than knowledge. Albert Einstein From psonek2 at seznam.cz Fri Mar 6 11:13:48 2009 From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:13:48 +0100 Subject: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released In-Reply-To: <ea736a480903052033k48e4eb95ncff061a36f283fa4@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903052149.54813.chris@csamuel.org> <49AFDDCE.1060703@enable.cl> <ea736a480903050646l5acba151i3cbaafc850f43fc7@mail.gmail.com> <200903060711.45279.chris@csamuel.org> <ea736a480903052033k48e4eb95ncff061a36f283fa4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B0F75C.6060006@seznam.cz> HouYu Li wrote(a): > Now, the image, binary and details is here: > > http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/ Great, i will gladly test it. Now that we have last release from Nokia would it be possible to setup public repository with patches from comunity? I would like to contribute, but i am not aware of any place where my patches could end up. Could we have e.g. git repository with latest enhancements or sourceforge project or perhaps openmoko is willing to host the project? What are your opinions? Radek From pander at users.sourceforge.net Fri Mar 6 11:27:36 2009 From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:27:36 +0100 Subject: [SHR] which webbrowser in testing Message-ID: <49B0FA98.90009@users.sourceforge.net> Hi all, What is the webbrowser to use in testing? Dillo is a bit old and the new dillo will not install due to missing packages. How to solve this or what alternatives exist? Regards, Pander From helge.hafting at hist.no Fri Mar 6 11:32:31 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:32:31 +0100 Subject: [SHR] which webbrowser in testing In-Reply-To: <49B0FA98.90009@users.sourceforge.net> References: <49B0FA98.90009@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <49B0FBBF.4060604@hist.no> Pander wrote: > Hi all, > > What is the webbrowser to use in testing? Dillo is a bit old and the new > dillo will not install due to missing packages. How to solve this or > what alternatives exist? "opkg install dillo" work fine in SHR testing, if you have the opkg.org repository configured. Or just get the missing packages from opkg.org, then retry the dillo install. Helge Hafting From mok at mnet-online.de Fri Mar 6 11:32:43 2009 From: mok at mnet-online.de (Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:32:43 +0100 Subject: New SHR-Testing release In-Reply-To: <49B0F755.9020107@baumann.name> References: <200903061037.31735.mok@mnet-online.de> <200903061053.44807.mok@mnet-online.de> <49B0F755.9020107@baumann.name> Message-ID: <200903061132.44002.mok@mnet-online.de> Am Freitag 06 M?rz 2009 11:13:41 schrieb Tilman Baumann: > Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: > > Am Freitag 06 M?rz 2009 10:47:20 schrieb Tilman Baumann: > >> Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> for those of you who didn't see the blog on Openmoko-Planet or read the > >>> SHR Mailinglist... We did publish new testing images. > >> > >> Time for re-install by image or is opkg upgrade safe? > > > > See the announcement :-) upgrading from old shr-testing does not work... > > Sombody even tried it me thinks. Changing the repo config and upgrading > > from shr- unstable is supposed to work though. > > Oh, sorry. I was a bit unclear. > > I was on unstable before and I intend to stay on the bleeding edge. > (Or at least see where that brings me...) > > Question is, what will happen if I do nothing. > Is the new unstable a clean continuation of the old unstable or does it > break updates? It still is a clean continuation... that might change though some day. > > Or should I just go testing anyway because unstable is really not > intended for real use? Well... if you need it as a phone you should switch to testing. We intend to do some big changes that most definitely will lead to a not working phone in the beginning. If you just want something to play with and do not depend on it as your daily phone... thats different then :-) Or you could do what most of us SHR devs do... Have them both. One in flash and one on SD. Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann From tilman at baumann.name Fri Mar 6 11:36:18 2009 From: tilman at baumann.name (Tilman Baumann) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:36:18 +0100 Subject: New SHR-Testing release In-Reply-To: <200903061132.44002.mok@mnet-online.de> References: <200903061037.31735.mok@mnet-online.de> <200903061053.44807.mok@mnet-online.de> <49B0F755.9020107@baumann.name> <200903061132.44002.mok@mnet-online.de> Message-ID: <49B0FCA2.9090109@baumann.name> Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: > Am Freitag 06 M?rz 2009 11:13:41 schrieb Tilman Baumann: >> Or should I just go testing anyway because unstable is really not >> intended for real use? > Well... if you need it as a phone you should switch to testing. We intend to do > some big changes that most definitely will lead to a not working phone in the > beginning. If you just want something to play with and do not depend on it as > your daily phone... thats different then :-) > > Or you could do what most of us SHR devs do... Have them both. One in flash and > one on SD. Oh, good idea. -- Imagination is more important than knowledge. Albert Einstein From klemmster at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 11:37:00 2009 From: klemmster at gmail.com (Richy) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:37:00 +0100 Subject: [SHR] which webbrowser in testing In-Reply-To: <49B0FBBF.4060604@hist.no> References: <49B0FA98.90009@users.sourceforge.net> <49B0FBBF.4060604@hist.no> Message-ID: <9e7398030903060237s47b13ec7l5d5b30c357826132@mail.gmail.com> alternatives: midori or minino -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From openmoko at humilis.net Fri Mar 6 11:48:44 2009 From: openmoko at humilis.net (Sander) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:48:44 +0100 Subject: [SHR] which webbrowser in testing In-Reply-To: <9e7398030903060237s47b13ec7l5d5b30c357826132@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B0FA98.90009@users.sourceforge.net> <49B0FBBF.4060604@hist.no> <9e7398030903060237s47b13ec7l5d5b30c357826132@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090306104844.GA13224@cumulus> Richy wrote (ao): > alternatives: midori or minino Minimo is replaced by Fennec: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimo "This project has been replaced by Mozilla Fennec" -- Humilis IT Services and Solutions http://www.humilis.net From prishelec at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 12:09:40 2009 From: prishelec at gmail.com (Leonti Bielski) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:09:40 +0100 Subject: [SHR] which webbrowser in testing In-Reply-To: <20090306104844.GA13224@cumulus> References: <49B0FA98.90009@users.sourceforge.net> <49B0FBBF.4060604@hist.no> <9e7398030903060237s47b13ec7l5d5b30c357826132@mail.gmail.com> <20090306104844.GA13224@cumulus> Message-ID: <815cb1720903060309k3af86d62gf2672db16fbc9485@mail.gmail.com> Try links-x11. It's fast, it has working ssl. Netsurf is also interesing. Leonti On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Sander <openmoko at humilis.net> wrote: > Richy wrote (ao): >> ? ?alternatives: midori or minino > > Minimo is replaced by Fennec: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimo > > "This project has been replaced by Mozilla Fennec" > > > -- > Humilis IT Services and Solutions > http://www.humilis.net > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From chris at csamuel.org Fri Mar 6 12:19:16 2009 From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:19:16 +1100 Subject: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released In-Reply-To: <49B0F75C.6060006@seznam.cz> References: <200903052149.54813.chris@csamuel.org> <ea736a480903052033k48e4eb95ncff061a36f283fa4@mail.gmail.com> <49B0F75C.6060006@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <200903062219.19241.chris@csamuel.org> On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 9:13:48 pm Radek Polak wrote: > Now that we have last release from Nokia would it be possible > to setup public repository with patches from comunity? I'm in the process of setting up a repository on github for just that reason! -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090306/aebf4487/attachment.pgp From prishelec at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 12:23:49 2009 From: prishelec at gmail.com (Leonti Bielski) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:23:49 +0100 Subject: Google web pages optimizer Message-ID: <815cb1720903060323u1eb7e214yd24135a16d5919ed@mail.gmail.com> Hi! http://www.google.com/gwt/n - here you can optimize webb pages for pda use - very useful for expensive gprs connection. Did not know about this before today, so just had to share in case someone else finds it useful. Leonti From psonek2 at seznam.cz Fri Mar 6 12:24:54 2009 From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:24:54 +0100 Subject: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released In-Reply-To: <200903062219.19241.chris@csamuel.org> References: <200903052149.54813.chris@csamuel.org> <ea736a480903052033k48e4eb95ncff061a36f283fa4@mail.gmail.com> <49B0F75C.6060006@seznam.cz> <200903062219.19241.chris@csamuel.org> Message-ID: <49B10806.9080702@seznam.cz> Chris Samuel wrote: ublic repository with patches from comunity? > > I'm in the process of setting up a repository on github for just that reason! > Great, let us know when you are done! Radek From brenda_wang at openmoko.com Fri Mar 6 13:15:30 2009 From: brenda_wang at openmoko.com (Brenda Wang) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:15:30 +0800 Subject: 13th community updates released Message-ID: <49B113E2.9010505@openmoko.com> Dear list: Here comes the 13th community updates. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/March_6%2C_2009 As usual I would like to thanks for everyone who contribute on this. During these two weeks , there are many exciting news here. Openmoko has announced Om 2009 release plan, Gentoo at openmoko <mailto:Gentoo at openmoko> team has reached their first milestone for running Gentoo on FreeRunner...etc. Beside the distribution news, there are many events like FreerunnerMeeting (in Politecnico di Milano University ) , OSI Tech Days 2009and Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2009...etc ,will hold during sprint time. Finally, I would like to remind you all that there's only two days left for the registration of FreeRunner programming competition . Stay tune. There is more interesting information on this community updates. Best Regards Brenda From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Fri Mar 6 13:17:41 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:17:41 +0000 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <49B0EB58.8080809@hist.no> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <49AE62D0.8070105@hist.no> <200903041427.12578.joerg@openmoko.org> <5c6ceea80903040858q22f1363bk5b2578ea8759416e@mail.gmail.com> <49AFBDD6.8070705@hist.no> <jwvy6vjx57l.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> <49B01122.5030105@openmoko.com> <49B0EB58.8080809@hist.no> Message-ID: <4126b3450903060417n781bcd46s9d8ceaf690efa7e8@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/6 Helge Hafting <helge.hafting at hist.no> > You misunderstand. I did not propose to do only one channel. > I planned on shorting both the small caps. Then, instead of one big cap > on each of the stereo lines: LEave the stereo lines connected as-is. > Break the ground line (which is common to both channels) and insert a > single big cap there instead. Slightly less work, and perhaps a bigger > capacitor will fit. (It'd probably have to be bigger too, as the two > channels often enough have the same signal.) I'm not an electrical engineer, but won't this increase the bleed between left and right channels? Because, for instance, while the left is at 0V and the right is higher, the "ground" side of the right speaker will be connected, effectively, to two grounds, one via an inductive load and one via a capacitative load. I'd guess some current will flow through each, and the less transient the voltage on the right output, the greater the proportion that will flow through both speakers. I guess this could possibly lead to speaker burnout if the headphones had low power ratings... This is all based on my vague understanding that one of the primary purposes of inline capacitors on audio outputs is to prevent DC current through the load. Sorry if I've got this hopelessly wrong. Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090306/7b95795e/attachment.htm From chris at csamuel.org Fri Mar 6 13:19:47 2009 From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 23:19:47 +1100 Subject: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released In-Reply-To: <49B10806.9080702@seznam.cz> References: <200903052149.54813.chris@csamuel.org> <200903062219.19241.chris@csamuel.org> <49B10806.9080702@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <200903062319.51523.chris@csamuel.org> On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:24:54 pm Radek Polak wrote: > Great, let us know when you are done! I'm doing a git push now, and it's going to take a long time to finish over this ADSL link (it did 3% in about 10 minutes). When it completes it's going to be here: http://github.com/chrissamuel/qtextended/tree/master Note that what I'm pushing is *not* 4.4.3, it's the original 4.4.2 with an extra commit which is the echo fix I previously posted. It's now gone 11pm here and as I'm involved in a bushfire benefit festival [1] tomorrow out at Hurstbridge for people in the Kinglake area of Victoria I won't get a chance to do anything more until Sunday as it doesn't finish until midnight Saturday! Then I'll hopefully get a chance to add collaborators and maybe figure out how to push 4.4.3 into it too unless someone else wants to do that ? (I'm pretty new to git). cheers, Chris [1] - http://www.rockandrebuild.org/ -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090306/8cd6faf9/attachment.pgp From timo.jyrinki at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 13:33:36 2009 From: timo.jyrinki at gmail.com (Timo Jyrinki) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:33:36 +0200 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <op.uqc6gow441evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <49AE62D0.8070105@hist.no> <200903041427.12578.joerg@openmoko.org> <5c6ceea80903040858q22f1363bk5b2578ea8759416e@mail.gmail.com> <49AFBDD6.8070705@hist.no> <jwvy6vjx57l.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> <68da43e00903051120l6bd81efen4473b56982c7e58c@mail.gmail.com> <op.uqc6gow441evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de> Message-ID: <68da43e00903060433l6a4eb1e3ia7a93a0fe508122f@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/6 arne anka <openmoko at ginguppin.de>: >> Have you tried tweaking the alsa profiles and set Bass Filter to >> either 100Hz @ 8kHz (== 600Hz @ 48kHz) or 200Hz @ 8kHz (== 1200Hz @ >> 48kHz) and Bass Boost to 15? I find the quality just fine for eg. > > any chance somebody translates that audiophile gibberish into alsa state > file gibberish? Sure: control.15 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type ENUMERATED comment.count 1 comment.item.0 'Linear Control' comment.item.1 'Adaptive Boost' iface MIXER name 'Bass Boost' value 'Linear Control' } control.16 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type ENUMERATED comment.count 1 comment.item.0 '130Hz @ 48kHz' comment.item.1 '200Hz @ 48kHz' comment.item.2 '100Hz @ 16kHz' comment.item.3 '400Hz @ 48kHz' comment.item.4 '100Hz @ 8kHz' comment.item.5 '200Hz @ 8kHz' iface MIXER name 'Bass Filter' value '200Hz @ 8kHz' } control.17 { comment.access 'read write' comment.type INTEGER comment.count 1 comment.range '0 - 15' iface MIXER name 'Bass Volume' value 15 } I find the sound breaks sometimes with Adaptive, so I have kept it at Linear. -Timo From freerunner at newkirk.us Fri Mar 6 13:51:44 2009 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 07:51:44 -0500 Subject: Detecting ethernet gadget connections In-Reply-To: <49B0F538.1040905@hist.no> References: <200903051001.41804.daniel@benoy.name> <49B0F538.1040905@hist.no> Message-ID: <20090306075144.70b1f8b5@j.newkirk.us> On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:04:40 +0100 Helge Hafting <helge.hafting at hist.no> wrote: > Daniel Benoy wrote: > > I'm working on a script that will detect which network interfaces > > are connected and mess with the routing accordingly, but I'm having > > trouble detecting whether my USB ethernet gadget connection is up > > or down. > > > > ---- > > ethtool when it's up: > > lisa:~# ethtool usb0 > > Settings for usb0: > > Link detected: yes > > > > ethtool when it's down: > > lisa:~# ethtool usb0 > > Settings for usb0: > > Link detected: yes > > ---- > > > > Unlike on the host side, the usb0 interface doesn't appear and > > disappear, allowing udev scripts to bring up/down the interface. > > > > Anyone know if there's a way to detect that a network connection > > has actually been established? > > > > Is this necessary? > Just set a higher metric on usb0, then routes thorough eth0 will be > preferred when available. The default route through usb0 will only be > used as a last resort when there is no other way. > > Such a setup works very well on my laptop. It doesn't on the > freerunner yet, because the "ip" utility in busybox currently can't > set metrics. But port that (or use debian with its binary ip utility) > and you'll be fine. > > Helge Hafting You should be able to find iproute2 for freerunner... I know I've got an ipk of 2.2.26 at http://newkirk.us/om - my "OM stuff" attic, but I think it's in the feeds as well. Apart from that, I dug into this exact situation before, including dealing with usb0, wrote an article about it at my blog. (http://jthinks.com/better-freerunner-networking) You can use the standard 'route' command to set metrics, so iproute2 isn't required. j From karadog at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 13:59:58 2009 From: karadog at gmail.com (HouYu Li) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 20:59:58 +0800 Subject: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released In-Reply-To: <200903062319.51523.chris@csamuel.org> References: <200903052149.54813.chris@csamuel.org> <200903062219.19241.chris@csamuel.org> <49B10806.9080702@seznam.cz> <200903062319.51523.chris@csamuel.org> Message-ID: <ea736a480903060459o7ccb843ch4c666f0a55cbeb0d@mail.gmail.com> OK, actually. I was talking with lpotter in IRC channel #qtopia at FreeNode about the further improvement of QTextended. He will setup a git repository based on the 4.4.3 release source by the end of this week. Just waiting for a while. We are going to move QTextended to kernel 2.6.28. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Chris Samuel <chris at csamuel.org> wrote: > On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:24:54 pm Radek Polak wrote: > > > Great, let us know when you are done! > > I'm doing a git push now, and it's going to take a long time to finish over > this ADSL link (it did 3% in about 10 minutes). > > When it completes it's going to be here: > > http://github.com/chrissamuel/qtextended/tree/master > > Note that what I'm pushing is *not* 4.4.3, it's the original 4.4.2 with an > extra commit which is the echo fix I previously posted. > > It's now gone 11pm here and as I'm involved in a bushfire benefit festival > [1] > tomorrow out at Hurstbridge for people in the Kinglake area of Victoria I > won't get a chance to do anything more until Sunday as it doesn't finish > until > midnight Saturday! > > Then I'll hopefully get a chance to add collaborators and maybe figure out > how > to push 4.4.3 into it too unless someone else wants to do that ? 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URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090306/2acdb492/attachment.htm From chris at csamuel.org Fri Mar 6 14:06:04 2009 From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 00:06:04 +1100 Subject: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released In-Reply-To: <ea736a480903060459o7ccb843ch4c666f0a55cbeb0d@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903052149.54813.chris@csamuel.org> <200903062319.51523.chris@csamuel.org> <ea736a480903060459o7ccb843ch4c666f0a55cbeb0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903070006.07261.chris@csamuel.org> On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:59:58 pm HouYu Li wrote: > OK, actually. I was talking with lpotter in IRC channel #qtopia at FreeNode > about the further improvement of QTextended. He will setup a git repository > based on the 4.4.3 release source by the end of this week. Just waiting for > a while. We are going to move QTextended to kernel 2.6.28. Aha! Sounds good to me. :-) I'll let the git push complete as it won't do any harm for now, we can always kill it later if need be. -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090307/40156be8/attachment.pgp From iknowjoseph at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 14:32:15 2009 From: iknowjoseph at gmail.com (Joseph Reeves) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:32:15 +0000 Subject: Google web pages optimizer In-Reply-To: <815cb1720903060323u1eb7e214yd24135a16d5919ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <815cb1720903060323u1eb7e214yd24135a16d5919ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <958244340903060532o7b940f05v6f5c95862c09c5bb@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, have added the site to my office blacklists - was letting me access all sorts of blocked content through the innocuous looking google.com ;-) 2009/3/6 Leonti Bielski <prishelec at gmail.com>: > Hi! > > http://www.google.com/gwt/n - here you can optimize webb pages for pda > use - very useful for expensive gprs connection. > > Did not know about this before today, so just had to share in case > someone else finds it useful. > > Leonti > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From GNUtoo at no-log.org Fri Mar 6 14:39:33 2009 From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (GNUtoo) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:39:33 +0100 Subject: [2008.12] GPS from python In-Reply-To: <49B043B8.1000608@gmail.com> References: <496BDB2C.8040909@gmail.com> <496C87AD.5000709@zindep.com> <5b79b500901251320h1200451cp8b2b4814dce9545d@mail.gmail.com> <49B043B8.1000608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236346773.8818.2.camel@port4> On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 22:27 +0100, Francesco de Virgilio wrote: > It seems not work on SHR-testing :( That's normal...you are using the gpsd bindings on your desktop computer. They permit you to talk to a gpsd compatible device I tested it with fso-gpsd(python on my desktop with the gpsd bindings(so I needed to install gpsd on my desktop to get the bindings) and fso-gpsd on the openmoko) So you have 2 solutions: 1)replace fso-gpsd by gpsd 2)use dbus to talk to the GPS Denis. From daniel at benoy.name Fri Mar 6 15:08:45 2009 From: daniel at benoy.name (Daniel Benoy) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:08:45 -0500 Subject: Detecting ethernet gadget connections Message-ID: <200903060908.45182.daniel@benoy.name> This may be intentional, because the usb0 interface continues to exist whether it's connected or not. udev generally concerns itself with devices which hotplug in and out of existence. In the case of g_ether, you can set the IP on it and it'll just keep it forever. Also if you want to make an issue of this, it looks to me like you may want to contact the kernel team instead. The ethernet gadget module is present even in vanella linux kernels. Correct me if I'm wrong. On Thursday 05 March 2009 12:14:19 you wrote: > > I opened a ticket on that a while ago... > https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2178 > No progress in 3 months... > > Citando Daniel Benoy <daniel at benoy.name>: > > > I'm working on a script that will detect which network interfaces > > are connected and mess with the routing accordingly, but I'm having > > trouble detecting whether my USB ethernet gadget connection is up or > > down. > > > > ---- > > ethtool when it's up: > > lisa:~# ethtool usb0 > > Settings for usb0: > > Link detected: yes > > > > ethtool when it's down: > > lisa:~# ethtool usb0 > > Settings for usb0: > > Link detected: yes > > ---- > > > > Unlike on the host side, the usb0 interface doesn't appear and > > disappear, allowing udev scripts to bring up/down the interface. > > > > Anyone know if there's a way to detect that a network connection has > > actually been established? > > > > -- > > Daniel Benoy > > http://daniel.benoy.name > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name From san_dimitri at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 15:21:35 2009 From: san_dimitri at yahoo.com (sandilya b) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 06:21:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: How to install cli-framework on my Neo FreeRunner Message-ID: <761264.35545.qm@web45316.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I am having OM 2008.12 but it has only a few features when i checked the /usr/share/dbus-1/ folder. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Timo Juhani Lindfors <timo.lindfors at iki.fi> wrote: > From: Timo Juhani Lindfors <timo.lindfors at iki.fi> > Subject: Re: How to install cli-framework on my Neo FreeRunner > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" <community at lists.openmoko.org> > Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 1:27 AM > sandilya b <san_dimitri at yahoo.com> > writes: > >? ? I just got an openmoko freerunner phone > and want to install > >? ? cli-framework on it to use the various > features of the d-bus > >? ? system. Can someone help me with it? > > Which distro are you running? I think the phone is shipped > with some > om2007.X that does not offer org.freesmartphone api. > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From will.siddall at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 15:38:46 2009 From: will.siddall at gmail.com (Will Siddall) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:38:46 -0400 Subject: SHR upgrade leaves an empty screen Message-ID: <bf0911a00903060638n706858c3n6ecb11f00759a412@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, I just ran an upgrade yesterday after seeing some issues resolved with the frameworkd upgrade package and now my screen is empty. If I switch to the slider icons, my applications are back, but I find that interface too touchy and annoying to use, so I would like my icons back. Does anyone know what happened and what I can do to get it back? Thanks, Will From helge.hafting at hist.no Fri Mar 6 16:01:18 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:01:18 +0100 Subject: [All] To build a better music player In-Reply-To: <7654cee60902171137k685e563ciad9833f0ba8c0573@mail.gmail.com> References: <7654cee60901151017k25f49ee6u64fc0e4eef14bbf0@mail.gmail.com> <7654cee60901230929o3b6c58c7t5ec25d9336be9153@mail.gmail.com> <7654cee60901291509n1193d979x3ec133b2558f4a50@mail.gmail.com> <498975B1.9050101@hist.no> <7654cee60902051002x72a8c758xc686ecd968117f63@mail.gmail.com> <1234343104389-2307541.post@n2.nabble.com> <d3e504410902110122r5d2c9d91vb74000441b17e196@mail.gmail.com> <7654cee60902110756t61e9566aye465288c2b154178@mail.gmail.com> <7654cee60902121455m3cd87e27s30b31226a3ad49bc@mail.gmail.com> <499954A4.9070702@hist.no> <7654cee60902171137k685e563ciad9833f0ba8c0573@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B13ABE.4060804@hist.no> Dylan Reilly wrote: > Curse all these python 2.5 versus 2.6 issues! The mutagen package was > actually built for 2.5 and not 2.6 (my fault). I have fixed this and > uploaded a new version to opkg.org. Note that I changed the version > number. > > I have also added a list of the dependencies and where one can acquire > them to the main pythm page of opkg.org. Hopefully I remembered all of > them. Unfortunately, the packages are all over the place and not > consistent python 2.5 versus 2.6. Until a stable/accepted distribution > arises, one will need to be mindful of such things and ready to copy > files into the correct python lib directory. > I have reflashed SHR testing. Now I can't install mutagen_svn-4350-2_armv4t.ipk opkg just ends in "Terminated" no matter how I try. :-( Oh well, I'll try copying stuff from python 2.5 :-/ If the distributions are very different, how about separate versions for python 2.5 and 2.6? Helge Hafting From tonyberth at googlemail.com Fri Mar 6 16:02:03 2009 From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:02:03 +0100 Subject: [SHR - Latest unstable] TangoGPS In-Reply-To: <49B0F3E2.6060601@hist.no> References: <3494db260903050615h3ab59df1uf2b09e1fc0372562@mail.gmail.com> <49AFED75.4090300@hist.no> <3494db260903050734x502e8c8ar109f889654492be3@mail.gmail.com> <49B0F3E2.6060601@hist.no> Message-ID: <3494db260903060702g6095ae5heac17f0a76e4f927@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Helge Hafting <helge.hafting at hist.no>wrote: > Tony Berth wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Helge Hafting <helge.hafting at hist.no > > <mailto:helge.hafting at hist.no>> wrote: > > > > Tony Berth wrote: > > > after installing the latest SHR-unstable immage and tried to edit > the > > > tangoGPS config parameters, when saving the application crashes! > > > > > > This wasn't the case with the previous image and the 0.9.3 > > tangoGPS version! > > > > > > Any tip how to correct that? > > > > > Install tangogps 0.9.3, edit settings, upgrade to 0.9.6 :-( > > > > Actually, the folder for gps tracks can be edited > > The map folder cannot, but that can be worked around using a symlink > > instead. > > > > You might want to let the tangogps developer know too, it might get > > fixed in the next version then. > > > > Helge Hafting > > > > > > so the problem is within tangoGPS in that specific version? Nothing to > > do with SHR? > > > > Can't I upgrade from 0.9.5? Where can I find 0.9.3? > > I am not sure. Google for somewhere to find it. Or pull it out of some > older roots. shr.bearstech.com has filesystems going back to jan-22. > > I never tried changing settings on 0.9.5, so maybe it works there. Try! > I just know that it worked on even older versions, and then people > started complaining with v. 0.9.5 or so. > > > I jsut installed 0.9.6 into a SHR testing image, and couldn't change > settings. So I did it the easy way - I gave up and made a symlink from > /home/root/Maps to where I have the maps on the sdcard. Silly solution > but works fine. > > Helge Hafting > > _______________________________________________ > which command did you use for that symbolic link? Thanks Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090306/4578e260/attachment.htm From risto at kurppa.fi Fri Mar 6 16:07:41 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:07:41 +0200 Subject: Voicenote - 3rd version - Can play wav files In-Reply-To: <1235737662.21073.11.camel@eeepc-1> References: <40cd9ce40902250615p4bdf0956vfe093020d3872fab@mail.gmail.com> <1235649981.1575.3.camel@eeepc-1> <df0f90190902261859k46af82c7p6fbaa7a094e3a846@mail.gmail.com> <40cd9ce40902270008s604df915w78d85ef448660e9d@mail.gmail.com> <1235736762.21073.9.camel@eeepc-1> <1235737662.21073.11.camel@eeepc-1> Message-ID: <d3e504410903060707v737a97dbq7f08e9ff7b6fee0@mail.gmail.com> kimaidou: Thanks for this, it's nice! Could you please check the ipk package, there are some information missing that makes the installation fail in opkg.org repository, see http://www.opkg.org/packages/Packages - has voicenote listed but details are missing root at om-gta02:~# opkg install voicenote An error ocurred, return value: 2. root at om-gta02:~# For an example control file, see http://cc.oulu.fi/~rantalai/freerunner/packaging/example/CONTROL/control Thanks! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From daniel at benoy.name Fri Mar 6 16:11:33 2009 From: daniel at benoy.name (Daniel Benoy) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:11:33 -0500 Subject: Detecting ethernet gadget connections In-Reply-To: <49B0F538.1040905@hist.no> References: <200903051001.41804.daniel@benoy.name> <49B0F538.1040905@hist.no> Message-ID: <200903061011.33171.daniel@benoy.name> > Is this necessary? > Just set a higher metric on usb0, then routes thorough eth0 will be > preferred when available. The default route through usb0 will only be > used as a last resort when there is no other way. Yes. Packets will route out that interface whether it's connected or not because it never disappears even when the cable is completely unplugged, and I want (obviously) the usb0 interface to be a higher priority than my gprs interface, so every packet would go out usb0 if I set it to a preferable metric. Unless I brought the interface up and down manually when the cable is disconnected, which brings us back to the original problem. Also, I'm setting up routing based on firewall rules, so it complicates things. When I'm writing my firewall script it needs to know whether usb is up or not to decide where web and ssh and instant messaging should be routed. > Helge Hafting > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > I eventually did come up with a solution to this. I check the charger state. If it detects a host it should be charging at 500mA. This doesn't prove that the network interface is successfully configured, but it's good enough for my purposes. If anyone's interested in seeing the convoluted script I had to make, I've attached it to this e-mail. Here's basically what it does for me: 1) Automatically brings up and down network interfaces. (Only for usb0 now. I took out eth0 wifi scanning because I found a way to do it outside of the script. And ppp0 I'm still handling manually.. may change that in the future) 2) Creates a routing table for each device with a default route out that device automatically by detecting changes to the main table made by ifup and other connection software. 3) Creates iptables rules automatically based on which interfaces are up and which are down, in accordance with my preferences. (xmpp and ssh always go out GPRS, because I want the connections to be unbroken when I roam away from my usb or wifi connection, and they're low bandwidth) The effect is that web browsing and such will switch over seamlessly when I come within range of my home network, while my instant messager never has its connection broken so long as it's in cell phone range. If you want to try the script as well you'll need some firewall rules, such as: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o usb0 -j MASQUERADE iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp+ -j MASQUERADE iptables -t mangle -A OUTPUT -j CUSTOMROUTE Someone let me know if there's a better way to achieve this. I thought about using the ROUTE iptables target, but it seemed pretty complicated to get installed. One problem I've encountered is that when software determines its source address automatically (There's rarely an option to set it by hand, and I wouldn't want to be doing that anyway) then it will examine the routing table for its source address *without sending a packet* so therefore firewall never marks the packet, and the routing table thinks its supposed to use the main rule chain. 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Package: voicenote Priority: optional Section: openmoko/PIM Version: 0.3 Architecture: armv4t Maintainer: kimaidou at gmail.com Depends: zenity alsa-utils-aplay Description: voicenote records the sound from the freerunner built-in microphone into a chosen folder. It can play the wave files too. Homepage: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Voicenote 2009/3/6 Risto H. Kurppa <risto at kurppa.fi> > kimaidou: Thanks for this, it's nice! > > Could you please check the ipk package, there are some information > missing that makes the installation fail in opkg.org repository, see > > http://www.opkg.org/packages/Packages > - has voicenote listed but details are missing > > root at om-gta02:~# opkg install voicenote > An error ocurred, return value: 2. > root at om-gta02:~# > > For an example control file, see > http://cc.oulu.fi/~rantalai/freerunner/packaging/example/CONTROL/control<http://cc.oulu.fi/%7Erantalai/freerunner/packaging/example/CONTROL/control> > > Thanks! > > > r > > > -- > | risto h. kurppa > | risto at kurppa dot fi > | http://risto.kurppa.fi > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090306/6c1411db/attachment.htm From david at tuxbrain.com Fri Mar 6 16:18:06 2009 From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:18:06 +0100 Subject: How to install cli-framework on my Neo FreeRunner In-Reply-To: <761264.35545.qm@web45316.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <761264.35545.qm@web45316.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5c6ceea80903060718r3759b48ao5bdd6101399513bd@mail.gmail.com> for use cli-framework you need the framework :), Actual Distros who have it , FSO, SHR, Debian and his derivates, ?Gentoo? 2009/3/6 sandilya b <san_dimitri at yahoo.com>: > > I am having OM 2008.12 but it has only a few features when i checked the /usr/share/dbus-1/ folder. > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Timo Juhani Lindfors <timo.lindfors at iki.fi> wrote: > >> From: Timo Juhani Lindfors <timo.lindfors at iki.fi> >> Subject: Re: How to install cli-framework on my Neo FreeRunner >> To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" <community at lists.openmoko.org> >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 1:27 AM >> sandilya b <san_dimitri at yahoo.com> >> writes: >> >? ? I just got an openmoko freerunner phone >> and want to install >> >? ? cli-framework on it to use the various >> features of the d-bus >> >? ? system. Can someone help me with it? >> >> Which distro are you running? I think the phone is shipped >> with some >> om2007.X that does not offer org.freesmartphone api. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! From david at garabana.com Fri Mar 6 16:20:33 2009 From: david at garabana.com (David Garabana Barro) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:20:33 +0100 Subject: [All] To build a better music player In-Reply-To: <49B13ABE.4060804@hist.no> References: <7654cee60901151017k25f49ee6u64fc0e4eef14bbf0@mail.gmail.com> <7654cee60902171137k685e563ciad9833f0ba8c0573@mail.gmail.com> <49B13ABE.4060804@hist.no> Message-ID: <200903061620.34116.david@garabana.com> On Friday 06 March 2009 16:01:18 Helge Hafting wrote: > Dylan Reilly wrote: > I have reflashed SHR testing. > > Now I can't install mutagen_svn-4350-2_armv4t.ipk > opkg just ends in "Terminated" no matter how I try. :-( I have the same problem. It seems opkg.org is truncating files, and almost every package you try to install downloaded from opkg.org fails with "Terminated". You can try, for example, to download: http://www.opkg.org/packages/pong_0.1_armv4t.ipk It only download 4096 bytes Try to download the same package from: http://scalde.free.fr/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=4&Itemid=71 11636 bytes! The last one installs OK, but the one from opkg.org fails with "Terminate" From dreilly at atariland.net Fri Mar 6 16:21:53 2009 From: dreilly at atariland.net (Dylan Reilly) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:21:53 -0500 Subject: [All] To build a better music player In-Reply-To: <49B13ABE.4060804@hist.no> References: <7654cee60901151017k25f49ee6u64fc0e4eef14bbf0@mail.gmail.com> <498975B1.9050101@hist.no> <7654cee60902051002x72a8c758xc686ecd968117f63@mail.gmail.com> <1234343104389-2307541.post@n2.nabble.com> <d3e504410902110122r5d2c9d91vb74000441b17e196@mail.gmail.com> <7654cee60902110756t61e9566aye465288c2b154178@mail.gmail.com> <7654cee60902121455m3cd87e27s30b31226a3ad49bc@mail.gmail.com> <499954A4.9070702@hist.no> <7654cee60902171137k685e563ciad9833f0ba8c0573@mail.gmail.com> <49B13ABE.4060804@hist.no> Message-ID: <7654cee60903060721i1f568e9exd42498ab7ebdfdde@mail.gmail.com> Can you run: ar x [package name] correctly? If not then the package is corrupt. The package I uploaded to opgk.org is fine. If it got corrupted somewhere in the stream I cannot be of too much help. You can do what I did to get mutagen in the first place: install it to your desktop and then copy the python files over to the openmoko. I am not going to build packages for multiple versions of python. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Helge Hafting <helge.hafting at hist.no> wrote: > Dylan Reilly wrote: >> Curse all these python 2.5 versus 2.6 issues! The mutagen package was >> actually built for 2.5 and not 2.6 (my fault). I have fixed this and >> uploaded a new version to opkg.org. Note that I changed the version >> number. >> >> I have also added a list of the dependencies and where one can acquire >> them to the main pythm page of opkg.org. Hopefully I remembered all of >> them. Unfortunately, the packages are all over the place and ?not >> consistent python 2.5 versus 2.6. Until a stable/accepted distribution >> arises, one will need to be mindful of such things and ready to copy >> files into the correct python lib directory. >> > I have reflashed SHR testing. > > Now I can't install mutagen_svn-4350-2_armv4t.ipk > opkg just ends in "Terminated" no matter how I try. :-( > > Oh well, I'll try copying stuff from python 2.5 :-/ > > If the distributions are very different, how about separate versions for > python 2.5 and 2.6? > > Helge Hafting > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 6 16:22:31 2009 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:22:31 +0000 Subject: Another attempt at speeding up yaouh, with persistent connections In-Reply-To: <49B0F1FB.7080308@hist.no> References: <1236023693621-2411310.post@n2.nabble.com> <200903051142.31909.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <49B0F1FB.7080308@hist.no> Message-ID: <200903061522.33159.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Friday 06 March 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: > Al Johnson wrote: > > On Thursday 05 March 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: > >> Fixing this in advance is a better approach - but I'd rather spend time > >> on a much better fix using libcurl. That would speed yaouh up further > >> also. But this have to wait until someone ports pycurl to the > >> freerunner. > > > > No porting needed - pycurl is in OE. > > > > bitbake python-pycurl > > I haven't yet set up any development tools, which is why I worked on a > python program. Is there an ipk/opk file, or at least something that can > be installed with tar? http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/repos/mazikeen/fso-milestone5/ipk/armv4t/ I've a little housekeeping (and a lot of upload time) to do before it's a full repository, but individual python packages are there at the moment. From tilman at baumann.name Fri Mar 6 16:43:47 2009 From: tilman at baumann.name (Tilman Baumann) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:43:47 +0100 Subject: New SHR-Testing release In-Reply-To: <200903061132.44002.mok@mnet-online.de> References: <200903061037.31735.mok@mnet-online.de> <200903061053.44807.mok@mnet-online.de> <49B0F755.9020107@baumann.name> <200903061132.44002.mok@mnet-online.de> Message-ID: <49B144B3.2040607@baumann.name> Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: > Am Freitag 06 M?rz 2009 11:13:41 schrieb Tilman Baumann: >> Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: >>> Am Freitag 06 M?rz 2009 10:47:20 schrieb Tilman Baumann: >>>> Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> for those of you who didn't see the blog on Openmoko-Planet or read the >>>>> SHR Mailinglist... We did publish new testing images. >>>> Time for re-install by image or is opkg upgrade safe? >>> See the announcement :-) upgrading from old shr-testing does not work... >>> Sombody even tried it me thinks. Changing the repo config and upgrading >>> from shr- unstable is supposed to work though. >> Oh, sorry. I was a bit unclear. >> >> I was on unstable before and I intend to stay on the bleeding edge. >> (Or at least see where that brings me...) >> >> Question is, what will happen if I do nothing. >> Is the new unstable a clean continuation of the old unstable or does it >> break updates? > It still is a clean continuation... that might change though some day. Something is odd with this repo. :) See below. Looks like the repository is broken. I had to disable the /etc/opkg/armv4-feed.conf feed. (src/gz shr-armv4 http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//armv) Since it always produced 404. But that should not have anything to do with that. (shortened output) root at om-gta01 ~ $ opkg upgrade Upgrading python-ecore on root from 0.3.1+svnr38274-ml0 to 0.3.1+svnr39379-ml0... Downloading http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/python-ecore_0.3.1+svnr39379-ml0_armv4t.ipk Upgrading libecore-evas on root from 2:0.9.9.050+svnr38274-r1 to 2:0.9.9.050+svnr39379-r1... Downloading http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/libecore-evas_0.9.9.050+svnr39379-r1_armv4t.ipk Upgrading libevas-engine-buffer on root from 2:0.9.9.050+svnr38274-r1 to 2:0.9.9.050+svnr39379-r1... Downloading http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/libevas-engine-buffer_0.9.9.050+svnr39379-r1_armv4t.ipk Upgrading libehal0 on root from 2:0.5.0.050+svnr38274-r1 to 2:0.5.0.050+svnr39379-r1... ...... Collected errors: * Failed to download http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/python-ecore_0.3.1+svnr39379-ml0_armv4t.ipk, error 404 * Failed to download python-ecore. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'? * Failed to download http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/libecore-evas_0.9.9.050+svnr39379-r1_armv4t.ipk, error 404 * Failed to download libecore-evas. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'? * Failed to download http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/libevas-engine-buffer_0.9.9.050+svnr39379-r1_armv4t.ipk, error 404 * Failed to download libevas-engine-buffer. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'? * Failed to download http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/libehal0_0.5.0.050+svnr39379-r1_armv4t.ipk, error 404 * Failed to download libehal0. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'? ...... -- Imagination is more important than knowledge. Albert Einstein From risto at kurppa.fi Fri Mar 6 16:46:58 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:46:58 +0200 Subject: Voicenote - 3rd version - Can play wav files In-Reply-To: <40cd9ce40903060716k530c847aw9f3d2dbc9af8e214@mail.gmail.com> References: <40cd9ce40902250615p4bdf0956vfe093020d3872fab@mail.gmail.com> <1235649981.1575.3.camel@eeepc-1> <df0f90190902261859k46af82c7p6fbaa7a094e3a846@mail.gmail.com> <40cd9ce40902270008s604df915w78d85ef448660e9d@mail.gmail.com> <1235736762.21073.9.camel@eeepc-1> <1235737662.21073.11.camel@eeepc-1> <d3e504410903060707v737a97dbq7f08e9ff7b6fee0@mail.gmail.com> <40cd9ce40903060716k530c847aw9f3d2dbc9af8e214@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <d3e504410903060746t25fe01b6g2f3f1b2b2ff03d8e@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 5:16 PM, kimaidou <kimaidou at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all > > Sorry for the delay, but I am really booked ! > I have checked my control file. Will the following be enough ? > > Package: voicenote > Priority: optional > Section: openmoko/PIM > Version: 0.3 > Architecture: armv4t > Maintainer: kimaidou at gmail.com > Depends: zenity alsa-utils-aplay > Description: voicenote records the sound from the freerunner built-in > microphone into a chosen folder. It can play the wave files too. > Homepage: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Voicenote > To me it looks good (but I don't know much about those..). I also downloaded the .ipk, opened it and the control file looked ok. I have no idea what might be causing it not work - or opkg.org script creating http://www.opkg.org/packages/Packages r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From nad.oby at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 17:02:10 2009 From: nad.oby at gmail.com (Evgeny) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:02:10 +0300 Subject: (Was: Detecting ethernet gadget connections) Is bonding possible? Message-ID: <46f27d5a0903060802h78fa8c17q296dade5d6d9f7ce@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Daniel Benoy <daniel at benoy.name> wrote: >> Is this necessary? >> Just set a higher metric on usb0, then routes thorough eth0 will be >> preferred when available. The default route through usb0 will only be >> used as a last resort when there is no other way. > > Yes. ?Packets will route out that interface whether it's connected or not because it never disappears even when the cable is completely unplugged, and I want (obviously) the usb0 interface to be a higher priority than my gprs interface, so every packet would go out usb0 if I set it to a preferable metric. > > Unless I brought the interface up and down manually when the cable is disconnected, which brings us back to the original problem. > > Also, I'm setting up routing based on firewall rules, so it complicates things. ?When I'm writing my firewall script it needs to know whether usb is up or not to decide where web and ssh and instant messaging should be routed. > > I eventually did come up with a solution to this. ?I check the charger state. ?If it detects a host it should be charging at 500mA. ?This doesn't prove that the network interface is successfully configured, but it's good enough for my purposes. > > If anyone's interested in seeing the convoluted script I had to make, I've attached it to this e-mail. > > Here's basically what it does for me: > 1) Automatically brings up and down network interfaces. ?(Only for usb0 now. ?I took out eth0 wifi scanning because I found a way to do it outside of the script. ?And ppp0 I'm still handling manually.. may change that in the future) > 2) Creates a routing table for each device with a default route out that device automatically by detecting changes to the main table made by ifup and other connection software. > 3) Creates iptables rules automatically based on which interfaces are up and which are down, in accordance with my preferences. ?(xmpp and ssh always go out GPRS, because I want the connections to be unbroken when I roam away from my usb or wifi connection, and they're low bandwidth) > > The effect is that web browsing and such will switch over seamlessly when I come within range of my home network, while my instant messager never has its connection broken so long as it's in cell phone range. > > If you want to try the script as well you'll need some firewall rules, such as: > iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE > iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o usb0 -j MASQUERADE > iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp+ -j MASQUERADE > iptables -t mangle -A OUTPUT -j CUSTOMROUTE > > Someone let me know if there's a better way to achieve this. ?I thought about using the ROUTE iptables target, but it seemed pretty complicated to get installed. > > One problem I've encountered is that when software determines its source address automatically (There's rarely an option to set it by hand, and I wouldn't want to be doing that anyway) then it will examine the routing table for its source address *without sending a packet* so therefore firewall never marks the packet, and the routing table thinks its supposed to use the main rule chain. ?My solution for this was the MASQUERADE lines above. > > -- > Daniel Benoy > http://daniel.benoy.name Is it possible to use "bonding" to all possible interfaces (eth0, usb0, bnep0) making preferences trough bonding? guessed /etc/network/interfaces -------------------------- iface bond0 inet static address 10.0.1.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 10.0.1.0 gateway 10.0.1.254 up /sbin/ifenslave bond0 usb0 up /sbin/ifenslave bond0 eth0 up /sbin/ifenslave bond0 bnep0 up /sbin/ifenslave bond0 ppp0 alias bond0 bonding options bonding mode=1 miimon=100 downdelay=200 updelay=200 -------------------------- So it will end with only one bond0 to work with. may be it's not applicable here Evgeny. -- So long, and thanks for all the fish. From prishelec at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 17:03:08 2009 From: prishelec at gmail.com (Leonti Bielski) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:03:08 +0100 Subject: Cellhunter 0.4.2 - no neighbour cells? Message-ID: <815cb1720903060803pb52c6a3i1c1df4cf46f7bc23@mail.gmail.com> Hi! Yesterday I installed Cellhunter 0.4.2. It works great except for not displaying neighbour cells - they are all displayed as zeroes. The main cell is displayed allright. I'm using Shr-testing and latest framework. Leonti From mok at mnet-online.de Fri Mar 6 17:03:52 2009 From: mok at mnet-online.de (Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:03:52 +0100 Subject: New SHR-Testing release In-Reply-To: <49B144B3.2040607@baumann.name> References: <200903061037.31735.mok@mnet-online.de> <200903061132.44002.mok@mnet-online.de> <49B144B3.2040607@baumann.name> Message-ID: <200903061703.53006.mok@mnet-online.de> Am Freitag 06 M?rz 2009 16:43:47 schrieb Tilman Baumann: > Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: > > Am Freitag 06 M?rz 2009 11:13:41 schrieb Tilman Baumann: > >> Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: > >>> Am Freitag 06 M?rz 2009 10:47:20 schrieb Tilman Baumann: > >>>> Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: > >>>>> Hi all, > >>>>> > >>>>> for those of you who didn't see the blog on Openmoko-Planet or read > >>>>> the SHR Mailinglist... We did publish new testing images. > >>>> > >>>> Time for re-install by image or is opkg upgrade safe? > >>> > >>> See the announcement :-) upgrading from old shr-testing does not > >>> work... Sombody even tried it me thinks. Changing the repo config and > >>> upgrading from shr- unstable is supposed to work though. > >> > >> Oh, sorry. I was a bit unclear. > >> > >> I was on unstable before and I intend to stay on the bleeding edge. > >> (Or at least see where that brings me...) > >> > >> Question is, what will happen if I do nothing. > >> Is the new unstable a clean continuation of the old unstable or does it > >> break updates? > > > > It still is a clean continuation... that might change though some day. > > Something is odd with this repo. :) > See below. > > Looks like the repository is broken. > > I had to disable the /etc/opkg/armv4-feed.conf feed. > (src/gz shr-armv4 http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//armv) > Since it always produced 404. But that should not have anything to do > with that. > > (shortened output) > root at om-gta01 ~ $ opkg upgrade > Upgrading python-ecore on root from 0.3.1+svnr38274-ml0 to > 0.3.1+svnr39379-ml0... > Downloading > http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/python-ecore_0.3.1+svnr39 >379-ml0_armv4t.ipk Upgrading libecore-evas on root from > 2:0.9.9.050+svnr38274-r1 to > 2:0.9.9.050+svnr39379-r1... > Downloading > http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/libecore-evas_0.9.9.050+s >vnr39379-r1_armv4t.ipk Upgrading libevas-engine-buffer on root from > 2:0.9.9.050+svnr38274-r1 to 2:0.9.9.050+svnr39379-r1... > Downloading > http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/libevas-engine-buffer_0.9 >.9.050+svnr39379-r1_armv4t.ipk Upgrading libehal0 on root from > 2:0.5.0.050+svnr38274-r1 to > 2:0.5.0.050+svnr39379-r1... > ...... > Collected errors: > * Failed to download > http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/python-ecore_0.3.1+svnr39 >379-ml0_armv4t.ipk, error 404 > * Failed to download python-ecore. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'? > * Failed to download > http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/libecore-evas_0.9.9.050+s >vnr39379-r1_armv4t.ipk, error 404 > * Failed to download libecore-evas. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg > update'? * Failed to download > http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/libevas-engine-buffer_0.9 >.9.050+svnr39379-r1_armv4t.ipk, error 404 > * Failed to download libevas-engine-buffer. Perhaps you need to run > 'opkg update'? > * Failed to download > http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/libehal0_0.5.0.050+svnr39 >379-r1_armv4t.ipk, error 404 > * Failed to download libehal0. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'? > ...... you catched the moment while building with a new EFL_SRCREV :-) while building the packages already built are there, but the index not yet... That might happen quite frequently in shr-unstable ;) Build has finished now and upgrade should work. Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann From tilman at baumann.name Fri Mar 6 17:14:41 2009 From: tilman at baumann.name (Tilman Baumann) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:14:41 +0100 Subject: New SHR-Testing release In-Reply-To: <200903061703.53006.mok@mnet-online.de> References: <200903061037.31735.mok@mnet-online.de> <200903061132.44002.mok@mnet-online.de> <49B144B3.2040607@baumann.name> <200903061703.53006.mok@mnet-online.de> Message-ID: <49B14BF1.6030208@baumann.name> Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: > Am Freitag 06 M?rz 2009 16:43:47 schrieb Tilman Baumann: >> Looks like the repository is broken. > you catched the moment while building with a new EFL_SRCREV :-) while building > the packages already built are there, but the index not yet... > > That might happen quite frequently in shr-unstable ;) Updating the feed should be more atomic. If I might say so. I would suggest uploading in a temp dir and then moving it on the right location. Or uploading dirs with build numbers and after finished just symlinking the new build on the default location. That would not break anyone currently in the process of upgrading. > Build has finished now and upgrade should work. Oddly not. Still same error after update,uprade. Is there sill anything uploading? Or maybe not, I just remember that our admin has enabled a transparent proxy. That might give me the old index... -- Imagination is more important than knowledge. Albert Einstein From vfebvre at easter-eggs.com Fri Mar 6 17:43:30 2009 From: vfebvre at easter-eggs.com (Valery Febvre) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:43:30 +0100 Subject: Voicenote - 3rd version - Can play wav files In-Reply-To: <d3e504410903060746t25fe01b6g2f3f1b2b2ff03d8e@mail.gmail.com> References: <40cd9ce40902250615p4bdf0956vfe093020d3872fab@mail.gmail.com> <1235649981.1575.3.camel@eeepc-1> <df0f90190902261859k46af82c7p6fbaa7a094e3a846@mail.gmail.com> <40cd9ce40902270008s604df915w78d85ef448660e9d@mail.gmail.com> <1235736762.21073.9.camel@eeepc-1> <1235737662.21073.11.camel@eeepc-1> <d3e504410903060707v737a97dbq7f08e9ff7b6fee0@mail.gmail.com> <40cd9ce40903060716k530c847aw9f3d2dbc9af8e214@mail.gmail.com> <d3e504410903060746t25fe01b6g2f3f1b2b2ff03d8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B152B2.8080800@easter-eggs.com> Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 5:16 PM, kimaidou <kimaidou at gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi all >> >> Sorry for the delay, but I am really booked ! >> I have checked my control file. Will the following be enough ? >> >> Package: voicenote >> Priority: optional >> Section: openmoko/PIM >> Version: 0.3 >> Architecture: armv4t >> Maintainer: kimaidou at gmail.com >> Depends: zenity alsa-utils-aplay >> Description: voicenote records the sound from the freerunner built-in >> microphone into a chosen folder. It can play the wave files too. >> Homepage: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Voicenote >> > > > To me it looks good (but I don't know much about those..). I also > downloaded the .ipk, opened it and the control file looked ok. I have > no idea what might be causing it not work - or opkg.org script > creating http://www.opkg.org/packages/Packages I think that it's not a control file problem. It is probably a package format problem. $ file voicenote_0.3_arm.ipk voicenote_0.3_arm.ipk: gzip compressed data, from Unix That should be: voicenote_0.3_arm.ipk: Debian binary package (format 2.0) -- Val?ry From pander at users.sourceforge.net Fri Mar 6 17:45:13 2009 From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:45:13 +0100 Subject: [Cellhunter] no neighbouring cells Message-ID: <49B15319.4020402@users.sourceforge.net> I verify that with the new SHR testing and the same cellhunter version, that cellhunter it is not reporting on neighbouring cells. From mickey at openmoko.org Fri Mar 6 17:52:04 2009 From: mickey at openmoko.org (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:52:04 +0100 Subject: [Cellhunter] no neighbouring cells In-Reply-To: <49B15319.4020402@users.sourceforge.net> References: <49B15319.4020402@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <1236358324.10602.218.camel@andromeda> Am Freitag, den 06.03.2009, 17:45 +0100 schrieb Pander: > I verify that with the new SHR testing and the same cellhunter version, > that cellhunter it is not reporting on neighbouring cells. Please take a look at fso/milestone5.5 branch, Jan added a patch that makes it work again with the latest framework. From mok at mnet-online.de Fri Mar 6 17:53:22 2009 From: mok at mnet-online.de (Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:53:22 +0100 Subject: New SHR-Testing release In-Reply-To: <49B14BF1.6030208@baumann.name> References: <200903061037.31735.mok@mnet-online.de> <200903061703.53006.mok@mnet-online.de> <49B14BF1.6030208@baumann.name> Message-ID: <200903061753.22774.mok@mnet-online.de> Am Freitag 06 M?rz 2009 17:14:41 schrieb Tilman Baumann: > Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: > > Am Freitag 06 M?rz 2009 16:43:47 schrieb Tilman Baumann: > >> Looks like the repository is broken. > > > > you catched the moment while building with a new EFL_SRCREV :-) while > > building the packages already built are there, but the index not yet... > > > > That might happen quite frequently in shr-unstable ;) > > Updating the feed should be more atomic. If I might say so. > I would suggest uploading in a temp dir and then moving it on the right > location. > Or uploading dirs with build numbers and after finished just symlinking > the new build on the default location. That would not break anyone > currently in the process of upgrading. something like that... will think about it > > > Build has finished now and upgrade should work. > > Oddly not. Still same error after update,uprade. > Is there sill anything uploading? no uploading involved... the download dir is a symlink to the build dir... on the same host. > > Or maybe not, I just remember that our admin has enabled a transparent > proxy. That might give me the old index... that would indeed be bad then :-) Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann From san_dimitri at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 17:53:32 2009 From: san_dimitri at yahoo.com (sandilya b) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 08:53:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: How to install cli-framework on my Neo FreeRunner Message-ID: <805055.16250.qm@web45313.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I am sorry. I think I did not understand what you said. Ok let me explain what I am doing. I am SSH'ing into my phone from my laptop and trying to run some python codes which will let me access the dbus for some phone specific features like IMEI number etc. However to get these values I was asked to use the cli-framework as it contains functions through which i can easily perform the activity. Now can I install all the features provided when I have only few present on my phone. -Sandy --- On Fri, 3/6/09, David Reyes Samblas Martinez <david at tuxbrain.com> wrote: > From: David Reyes Samblas Martinez <david at tuxbrain.com> > Subject: Re: How to install cli-framework on my Neo FreeRunner > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" <community at lists.openmoko.org> > Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:18 AM > for use cli-framework you need the > framework :), > Actual Distros who have it , FSO, SHR, Debian and his > derivates, ?Gentoo? > > 2009/3/6 sandilya b <san_dimitri at yahoo.com>: > > > > I am having OM 2008.12 but it has only a few features > when i checked the /usr/share/dbus-1/ folder. > > > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Timo Juhani Lindfors <timo.lindfors at iki.fi> > wrote: > > > >> From: Timo Juhani Lindfors <timo.lindfors at iki.fi> > >> Subject: Re: How to install cli-framework on my > Neo FreeRunner > >> To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" > <community at lists.openmoko.org> > >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 1:27 AM > >> sandilya b <san_dimitri at yahoo.com> > >> writes: > >> >? ? I just got an openmoko freerunner phone > >> and want to install > >> >? ? cli-framework on it to use the various > >> features of the d-bus > >> >? ? system. Can someone help me with it? > >> > >> Which distro are you running? I think the phone is > shipped > >> with some > >> om2007.X that does not offer org.freesmartphone > api. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Openmoko community mailing list > >> community at lists.openmoko.org > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > -- > David Reyes Samblas Martinez > http://www.tuxbrain.com > Open ultraportable & embedded solutions > Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino > Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From pander at users.sourceforge.net Fri Mar 6 17:59:53 2009 From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:59:53 +0100 Subject: [Cellhunter] no neighbouring cells In-Reply-To: <1236358324.10602.218.camel@andromeda> References: <49B15319.4020402@users.sourceforge.net> <1236358324.10602.218.camel@andromeda> Message-ID: <49B15689.9060204@users.sourceforge.net> Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > Am Freitag, den 06.03.2009, 17:45 +0100 schrieb Pander: >> I verify that with the new SHR testing and the same cellhunter version, >> that cellhunter it is not reporting on neighbouring cells. > > Please take a look at fso/milestone5.5 branch, Jan added a patch that > makes it work again with the latest framework. Hopefully that will be soon available via opkg upgrade. ;) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From tilman at baumann.name Fri Mar 6 17:59:26 2009 From: tilman at baumann.name (Tilman Baumann) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:59:26 +0100 Subject: New SHR-Testing release In-Reply-To: <200903061753.22774.mok@mnet-online.de> References: <200903061037.31735.mok@mnet-online.de> <200903061703.53006.mok@mnet-online.de> <49B14BF1.6030208@baumann.name> <200903061753.22774.mok@mnet-online.de> Message-ID: <49B1566E.4060508@baumann.name> Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: > Am Freitag 06 M?rz 2009 17:14:41 schrieb Tilman Baumann: >> Or maybe not, I just remember that our admin has enabled a transparent >> proxy. That might give me the old index... > that would indeed be bad then :-) Indeed. Luckily there was a alternative route which I could use. -- Imagination is more important than knowledge. Albert Einstein From prishelec at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 18:12:50 2009 From: prishelec at gmail.com (Leonti Bielski) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:12:50 +0100 Subject: [Cellhunter] no neighbouring cells In-Reply-To: <49B15689.9060204@users.sourceforge.net> References: <49B15319.4020402@users.sourceforge.net> <1236358324.10602.218.camel@andromeda> <49B15689.9060204@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <815cb1720903060912i4d729cd8xaa1f563f13f91e03@mail.gmail.com> So the problem is in FSO? Why then I get neighbouring cells in zhone and not in Cellhunter? That kinda excludes problem in framework. Leonti On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Pander <pander at users.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: >> Am Freitag, den 06.03.2009, 17:45 +0100 schrieb Pander: >>> I verify that with the new SHR testing and the same cellhunter version, >>> that cellhunter it is not reporting on neighbouring cells. >> >> Please take a look at fso/milestone5.5 branch, Jan added a patch that >> makes it work again with the latest framework. > > Hopefully that will be soon available via opkg upgrade. ;) > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From jldominguez at prodevelop.es Fri Mar 6 18:25:21 2009 From: jldominguez at prodevelop.es (Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:25:21 +0100 Subject: Google web pages optimizer References: <815cb1720903060323u1eb7e214yd24135a16d5919ed@mail.gmail.com> <958244340903060532o7b940f05v6f5c95862c09c5bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <E43C32BC5843E34FB4C00CDFAAAAF7D80105D980@australia.prodevelop.local> your typical fun-spoiler always turns up..... ;-) ________________________________ De: community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org en nombre de Joseph Reeves Enviado el: vie 06/03/2009 14:32 Para: List for Openmoko community discussion Asunto: Re: Google web pages optimizer Thanks, have added the site to my office blacklists - was letting me access all sorts of blocked content through the innocuous looking google.com ;-) 2009/3/6 Leonti Bielski <prishelec at gmail.com>: > Hi! > > http://www.google.com/gwt/n - here you can optimize webb pages for pda > use - very useful for expensive gprs connection. > > Did not know about this before today, so just had to share in case > someone else finds it useful. > > Leonti > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 6 18:31:15 2009 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:31:15 +0000 Subject: How to install cli-framework on my Neo FreeRunner In-Reply-To: <805055.16250.qm@web45313.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <805055.16250.qm@web45313.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200903061731.16392.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> 2008.12 uses elements of QtExtended to provide its phone functionality. You can't simply install the freesmartphone.org framework on 2008.12 as the two will compete over resources such as the GSM interface, probably breaking both in the process. If you want to use the freesmartphone.org framework you will need to use a distro that supports it. That could be FSO, SHR, Debian, or possibly Gentoo. These can be installed to internal NAND, or to a partition on the SD card. You could even have a dual boot or multiboot setup - I have Android in NAND, and FSO milestone 4.1, SHR Unstable and FSO unstable on different SD partitions. These links should help you install your preferred distro: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD For FSO you should probably start with the Milestone 5.1 release: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5.1/om-gta02/ SHR has install instructions here: http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Install Debian has a chunk of documentation here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian On Friday 06 March 2009, sandilya b wrote: > I am sorry. I think I did not understand what you said. Ok let me explain > what I am doing. I am SSH'ing into my phone from my laptop and trying to > run some python codes which will let me access the dbus for some phone > specific features like IMEI number etc. However to get these values I was > asked to use the cli-framework as it contains functions through which i can > easily perform the activity. Now can I install all the features provided > when I have only few present on my phone. > > -Sandy > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, David Reyes Samblas Martinez <david at tuxbrain.com> wrote: > > From: David Reyes Samblas Martinez <david at tuxbrain.com> > > Subject: Re: How to install cli-framework on my Neo FreeRunner > > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" > > <community at lists.openmoko.org> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:18 AM > > for use cli-framework you need the > > framework :), > > Actual Distros who have it , FSO, SHR, Debian and his > > derivates, ?Gentoo? > > > > 2009/3/6 sandilya b <san_dimitri at yahoo.com>: > > > I am having OM 2008.12 but it has only a few features > > > > when i checked the /usr/share/dbus-1/ folder. > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Timo Juhani Lindfors <timo.lindfors at iki.fi> > > > > wrote: > > >> From: Timo Juhani Lindfors <timo.lindfors at iki.fi> > > >> Subject: Re: How to install cli-framework on my > > > > Neo FreeRunner > > > > >> To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" > > > > <community at lists.openmoko.org> > > > > >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 1:27 AM > > >> sandilya b <san_dimitri at yahoo.com> > > >> > > >> writes: > > >> >? ? I just got an openmoko freerunner phone > > >> > > >> and want to install > > >> > > >> >? ? cli-framework on it to use the various > > >> > > >> features of the d-bus > > >> > > >> >? ? system. Can someone help me with it? > > >> > > >> Which distro are you running? I think the phone is > > > > shipped > > > > >> with some > > >> om2007.X that does not offer org.freesmartphone > > > > api. > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Openmoko community mailing list > > >> community at lists.openmoko.org > > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Openmoko community mailing list > > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > -- > > David Reyes Samblas Martinez > > http://www.tuxbrain.com > > Open ultraportable & embedded solutions > > Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino > > Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From san_dimitri at yahoo.com Fri Mar 6 18:38:24 2009 From: san_dimitri at yahoo.com (sandilya b) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:38:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: How to install cli-framework on my Neo FreeRunner Message-ID: <582958.81815.qm@web45311.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks a lot for the reply. How can I use the dbus and get the values from the fone. For example. I want to write a python code that will give the the IMEI number and manufacturer details of my fone. how can i do that. I understand that once i have any of the FSO or SHR etc I can do that. Cant i just do it now on my phone without using them. Isnt there any feature in 2008.12 that will let me query the dbus directly. Is the only option to install. I am sorry if I am asking so many questions but i really need to know as I am very interested in working on this phone. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Al Johnson <openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk> wrote: > From: Al Johnson <openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk> > Subject: Re: How to install cli-framework on my Neo FreeRunner > To: community at lists.openmoko.org > Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 11:31 AM > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > 2008.12 uses elements of QtExtended > to provide its phone functionality. You > can't simply install the freesmartphone.org framework on > 2008.12 as the two > will compete over resources such as the GSM interface, > probably breaking both > in the process. > > If you want to use the freesmartphone.org framework you > will need to use a > distro that supports it. That could be FSO, SHR, Debian, or > possibly Gentoo. > These can be installed to internal NAND, or to a partition > on the SD card. You > could even have a dual boot or multiboot setup - I have > Android in NAND, and > FSO milestone 4.1, SHR Unstable and FSO unstable on > different SD partitions. > > These links should help you install your preferred distro: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD > > For FSO you should probably start with the Milestone 5.1 > release: > http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5.1/om-gta02/ > > SHR has install instructions here: > http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Install > > Debian has a chunk of documentation here: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian > > On Friday 06 March 2009, sandilya b wrote: > > I am sorry. I think I did not understand what you > said. Ok let me explain > > what I am doing. I am SSH'ing into my phone from my > laptop and trying to > > run some python codes which will let me access the > dbus for some phone > > specific features like IMEI number etc. However to get > these values I was > > asked to use the cli-framework as it contains > functions through which i can > > easily perform the activity. Now can I install all the > features provided > > when I have only few present on my phone. > > > > -Sandy > > > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, David Reyes Samblas Martinez > <david at tuxbrain.com> > wrote: > > > From: David Reyes Samblas Martinez <david at tuxbrain.com> > > > Subject: Re: How to install cli-framework on my > Neo FreeRunner > > > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" > > > <community at lists.openmoko.org> > Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:18 AM > > > for use cli-framework you need the > > > framework :), > > > Actual Distros who have it , FSO, SHR, Debian and > his > > > derivates, ?Gentoo? > > > > > > 2009/3/6 sandilya b <san_dimitri at yahoo.com>: > > > > I am having OM 2008.12 but it has only a few > features > > > > > > when i checked the /usr/share/dbus-1/ folder. > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Timo Juhani Lindfors > <timo.lindfors at iki.fi> > > > > > > wrote: > > > >> From: Timo Juhani Lindfors <timo.lindfors at iki.fi> > > > >> Subject: Re: How to install > cli-framework on my > > > > > > Neo FreeRunner > > > > > > >> To: "List for Openmoko community > discussion" > > > > > > <community at lists.openmoko.org> > > > > > > >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 1:27 AM > > > >> sandilya b <san_dimitri at yahoo.com> > > > >> > > > >> writes: > > > >> >? ? I just got an openmoko > freerunner phone > > > >> > > > >> and want to install > > > >> > > > >> >? ? cli-framework on it to use the > various > > > >> > > > >> features of the d-bus > > > >> > > > >> >? ? system. Can someone help me > with it? > > > >> > > > >> Which distro are you running? I think > the phone is > > > > > > shipped > > > > > > >> with some > > > >> om2007.X that does not offer > org.freesmartphone > > > > > > api. > > > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > >> Openmoko community mailing list > > > >> community at lists.openmoko.org > > > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Openmoko community mailing list > > > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > -- > > > David Reyes Samblas Martinez > > > http://www.tuxbrain.com > > > Open ultraportable & embedded solutions > > > Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, > Arduino > > > Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your > pocket!!! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Openmoko community mailing list > > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From jldominguez at prodevelop.es Fri Mar 6 19:01:16 2009 From: jldominguez at prodevelop.es (Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:01:16 +0100 Subject: Freerunner, Jalimo, rxtx, GPS References: <E43C32BC5843E34FB4C00CDFAAAAF7D80105D977@australia.prodevelop.local> <1236325826.7302.4.camel@aspire> Message-ID: <E43C32BC5843E34FB4C00CDFAAAAF7D80105D981@australia.prodevelop.local> Hello, my goal is not just accessing the GPS device. I'm trying to run on Openmoko a certain java application that uses librxtx to access the GPS, and librxtx happens to be in the Openmoko-Jalimo repository. I'm not asking for the moon.... Anybody has used this librxtx? http://jalimo.evolvis.org/repository/openmoko/ The person who uploaded it, perhaps? Regards, Juan Lucas ________________________________ De: Fredrik Wendt [mailto:fredrik at wendt.se] Enviado el: vie 06/03/2009 8:50 Para: Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio Asunto: Re: [jalimo-info] Freerunner, Jalimo, rxtx, GPS On tor, 2009-03-05 at 20:48 +0100, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: > Dear list, > > [...] called /dev/ttySAC1, it says it does not exist. What am I doing > wrong? I have no idea at all, but a question: have you tried using FSO and it's dbus API for GPS/positional services? / Fredrik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We did publish new testing images. >>>>>> Time for re-install by image or is opkg upgrade safe? >>>>> See the announcement :-) upgrading from old shr-testing does not >>>>> work... Sombody even tried it me thinks. Changing the repo config and >>>>> upgrading from shr- unstable is supposed to work though. >>>> Oh, sorry. I was a bit unclear. >>>> >>>> I was on unstable before and I intend to stay on the bleeding edge. >>>> (Or at least see where that brings me...) >>>> >>>> Question is, what will happen if I do nothing. >>>> Is the new unstable a clean continuation of the old unstable or does it >>>> break updates? >>> It still is a clean continuation... that might change though some day. >> Something is odd with this repo. :) >> See below. >> >> Looks like the repository is broken. >> > > you catched the moment while building with a new EFL_SRCREV :-) while building > the packages already built are there, but the index not yet... Sorry to further pollute this thread. I successfully upgraded. No my desktop is completely empty. No icons whatsoever. -- Imagination is more important than knowledge. Albert Einstein From mok at mnet-online.de Fri Mar 6 19:41:45 2009 From: mok at mnet-online.de (Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:41:45 +0100 Subject: New SHR-Testing release In-Reply-To: <49B16C9D.9090506@baumann.name> References: <200903061037.31735.mok@mnet-online.de> <200903061703.53006.mok@mnet-online.de> <49B16C9D.9090506@baumann.name> Message-ID: <200903061941.45748.mok@mnet-online.de> Am Freitag 06 M?rz 2009 19:34:05 schrieb Tilman Baumann: > Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: > > Am Freitag 06 M?rz 2009 16:43:47 schrieb Tilman Baumann: > >> Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: > >>> Am Freitag 06 M?rz 2009 11:13:41 schrieb Tilman Baumann: > >>>> Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: > >>>>> Am Freitag 06 M?rz 2009 10:47:20 schrieb Tilman Baumann: > >>>>>> Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: > >>>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> for those of you who didn't see the blog on Openmoko-Planet or read > >>>>>>> the SHR Mailinglist... We did publish new testing images. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Time for re-install by image or is opkg upgrade safe? > >>>>> > >>>>> See the announcement :-) upgrading from old shr-testing does not > >>>>> work... Sombody even tried it me thinks. Changing the repo config and > >>>>> upgrading from shr- unstable is supposed to work though. > >>>> > >>>> Oh, sorry. I was a bit unclear. > >>>> > >>>> I was on unstable before and I intend to stay on the bleeding edge. > >>>> (Or at least see where that brings me...) > >>>> > >>>> Question is, what will happen if I do nothing. > >>>> Is the new unstable a clean continuation of the old unstable or does > >>>> it break updates? > >>> > >>> It still is a clean continuation... that might change though some day. > >> > >> Something is odd with this repo. :) > >> See below. > >> > >> Looks like the repository is broken. > > > > you catched the moment while building with a new EFL_SRCREV :-) while > > building the packages already built are there, but the index not yet... > > Sorry to further pollute this thread. > I successfully upgraded. > No my desktop is completely empty. No icons whatsoever. yep... have that too... thats the new EFL_SRCREV ;) known issue but unsolved up to now :( Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 20:14:16 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 20:14:16 +0100 Subject: SHR upgrade leaves an empty screen In-Reply-To: <bf0911a00903060638n706858c3n6ecb11f00759a412@mail.gmail.com> References: <bf0911a00903060638n706858c3n6ecb11f00759a412@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <c30e08170903061114j2c2e8d80o4599e0db7da9c8d5@mail.gmail.com> That's shr-unstable, so you will experience problems like that. If you don't want, use shr-testing. Problem is known, you can wait and try to upgrade every day ;) From hans at everlasting.be Fri Mar 6 21:51:21 2009 From: hans at everlasting.be (Hans Zimmerman) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:51:21 +0000 Subject: [fso] no sound card In-Reply-To: <1236227682266-2427397.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1236183439.9779.7.camel@ubuntu> <1236227682266-2427397.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1236372681.8573.0.camel@ubuntu> On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 20:34 -0800, c_c wrote: > Hi, > > Hans Zimmerman wrote: > > > > I do no longer seem to have a sound card in my FreeRunner as it is not > > found. The freerunner is running fso milestone 5.1 with opkg update && > > opkg > > upgrade. > > > Well, I have this problem too - and I really haven't had the time to pipe up > on the fso or this list. Do the following :- > > modprobe snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753 > modprobe snd-pcm-oss > alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/stereoout.state restore > > You'll get the sound card back. I keep these lines in a sh script - and use > it everytime I reboot. HTH. Thanks for the advice but I was not able to test this suggestion. I already flashed the stable fso-paroli image and at least I can hear people talk now :-) Thanks though!! Hans From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 21:52:52 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:52:52 -0600 Subject: SHR upgrade leaves an empty screen In-Reply-To: <c30e08170903061114j2c2e8d80o4599e0db7da9c8d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <bf0911a00903060638n706858c3n6ecb11f00759a412@mail.gmail.com> <c30e08170903061114j2c2e8d80o4599e0db7da9c8d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <ffce06340903061252x1b67d87ev9f17d38f5ca82e51@mail.gmail.com> I have the same thing. What are these slider icons and how do I get them? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090306/f69e09b1/attachment.htm From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 22:01:39 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:01:39 +0100 Subject: SHR upgrade leaves an empty screen In-Reply-To: <ffce06340903061252x1b67d87ev9f17d38f5ca82e51@mail.gmail.com> References: <bf0911a00903060638n706858c3n6ecb11f00759a412@mail.gmail.com> <c30e08170903061114j2c2e8d80o4599e0db7da9c8d5@mail.gmail.com> <ffce06340903061252x1b67d87ev9f17d38f5ca82e51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <c30e08170903061301j3c91e41cr4e32991743b22317@mail.gmail.com> If you don't know that, you really shouldn't use shr-unstable 8) But in serious - that's in Illume config, at "Launcher" position. From risto at kurppa.fi Fri Mar 6 22:09:00 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 23:09:00 +0200 Subject: Troubles with opkg.org repo In-Reply-To: <49B0F1AB.5050101@users.sourceforge.net> References: <49B0F1AB.5050101@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <d3e504410903061309m2c23176agc37880936126f6c@mail.gmail.com> At the moment it looks like that the opkg.org repository is very unstable: packages keep breaking all the time more and more, now I wasn't install sortdesk anymore. AFAIK nothing has changed in the package itself. Tobias: Could you release the scripts that manage the files for public eye to check if we can find something wrong there. OK, I know that some packages are broken but also many that have a fine control fine, they still won't install. http://www.opkg.org/packages/Packages Many packages have only the filename & md5.. Not enough for a repository.. How about http://www.opkg.org/packages/ - why some packages are named 0_something or 1_something? See: http://www.opkg.org/package_95.html#comments http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1399612 http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-community/2009/2/11/4949014/thread#mid-4949014 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2230730 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2394770 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2320442 I'm getting really frustrated with this since there's nothing I can do.... r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 22:09:07 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:09:07 -0600 Subject: SHR upgrade leaves an empty screen In-Reply-To: <c30e08170903061301j3c91e41cr4e32991743b22317@mail.gmail.com> References: <bf0911a00903060638n706858c3n6ecb11f00759a412@mail.gmail.com> <c30e08170903061114j2c2e8d80o4599e0db7da9c8d5@mail.gmail.com> <ffce06340903061252x1b67d87ev9f17d38f5ca82e51@mail.gmail.com> <c30e08170903061301j3c91e41cr4e32991743b22317@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <ffce06340903061309h79b67506gbb047951eb3653f6@mail.gmail.com> Ahh, so I didn't know that one... I'm still learning. ;) Seriously, though, it's not really worth knowing. That's the most obnoxious and annoying way to start apps I've ever seen. :P -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090306/ab42a662/attachment.htm From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 22:15:06 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:15:06 +0100 Subject: SHR upgrade leaves an empty screen In-Reply-To: <ffce06340903061309h79b67506gbb047951eb3653f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <bf0911a00903060638n706858c3n6ecb11f00759a412@mail.gmail.com> <c30e08170903061114j2c2e8d80o4599e0db7da9c8d5@mail.gmail.com> <ffce06340903061252x1b67d87ev9f17d38f5ca82e51@mail.gmail.com> <c30e08170903061301j3c91e41cr4e32991743b22317@mail.gmail.com> <ffce06340903061309h79b67506gbb047951eb3653f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <c30e08170903061315r608b51f1ycd7b8b724f4a8afb@mail.gmail.com> Of course that "you shouldn't" was a joke, but for me -unstable is for people, who was in every place available from GUI on his system :D (like me ;)) From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 22:18:24 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:18:24 -0600 Subject: SHR upgrade leaves an empty screen In-Reply-To: <c30e08170903061315r608b51f1ycd7b8b724f4a8afb@mail.gmail.com> References: <bf0911a00903060638n706858c3n6ecb11f00759a412@mail.gmail.com> <c30e08170903061114j2c2e8d80o4599e0db7da9c8d5@mail.gmail.com> <ffce06340903061252x1b67d87ev9f17d38f5ca82e51@mail.gmail.com> <c30e08170903061301j3c91e41cr4e32991743b22317@mail.gmail.com> <ffce06340903061309h79b67506gbb047951eb3653f6@mail.gmail.com> <c30e08170903061315r608b51f1ycd7b8b724f4a8afb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <ffce06340903061318k22909dbcrde0dd23a8a959410@mail.gmail.com> Oh, I was there once upon a time... But I forgot. :) Meanwhile, the suspend and power off buttons are now greyed out and unclickable... That's something of a massive problem. Any ideas? :P -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090306/7d76aeab/attachment.htm From prishelec at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 22:30:20 2009 From: prishelec at gmail.com (Leonti Bielski) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:30:20 +0100 Subject: Navit is not finding current position Message-ID: <815cb1720903061330h4a16796aqe50ac08750173f71@mail.gmail.com> Hello! I've just installed navit from it's repository. I use SHR - testing distro. Fisrt I start TangoGPS and wait for fix (with latest frameworkd it's quite quick), than, after fix is got and I'm sure fso-gpsd is working I start Navit. But nothing indicates that it has found it's position. In Menu -> Actions coordinates are still 48 and 11 (factory ones). How can I see my actual position? Leonti From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 22:39:51 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:39:51 +0100 Subject: SHR upgrade leaves an empty screen In-Reply-To: <ffce06340903061318k22909dbcrde0dd23a8a959410@mail.gmail.com> References: <bf0911a00903060638n706858c3n6ecb11f00759a412@mail.gmail.com> <c30e08170903061114j2c2e8d80o4599e0db7da9c8d5@mail.gmail.com> <ffce06340903061252x1b67d87ev9f17d38f5ca82e51@mail.gmail.com> <c30e08170903061301j3c91e41cr4e32991743b22317@mail.gmail.com> <ffce06340903061309h79b67506gbb047951eb3653f6@mail.gmail.com> <c30e08170903061315r608b51f1ycd7b8b724f4a8afb@mail.gmail.com> <ffce06340903061318k22909dbcrde0dd23a8a959410@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <c30e08170903061339t29cb1e03x35299c4ee776b4ee@mail.gmail.com> That's only new EFLSRC_REV. We're just switched to it, so it just have to be polished ;) From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 23:29:13 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:29:13 -0600 Subject: SHR upgrade leaves an empty screen In-Reply-To: <c30e08170903061339t29cb1e03x35299c4ee776b4ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <bf0911a00903060638n706858c3n6ecb11f00759a412@mail.gmail.com> <c30e08170903061114j2c2e8d80o4599e0db7da9c8d5@mail.gmail.com> <ffce06340903061252x1b67d87ev9f17d38f5ca82e51@mail.gmail.com> <c30e08170903061301j3c91e41cr4e32991743b22317@mail.gmail.com> <ffce06340903061309h79b67506gbb047951eb3653f6@mail.gmail.com> <c30e08170903061315r608b51f1ycd7b8b724f4a8afb@mail.gmail.com> <ffce06340903061318k22909dbcrde0dd23a8a959410@mail.gmail.com> <c30e08170903061339t29cb1e03x35299c4ee776b4ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <ffce06340903061429l42d95529hbcd500694a548a97@mail.gmail.com> No idea what ELFSRC_REV is, but if you switched to it, I assume it's better. :P (I hope) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sebastian > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > From dv_mlist at verizon.net Sat Mar 7 00:02:13 2009 From: dv_mlist at verizon.net (digger vermont) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:02:13 -0500 Subject: How to use other applications with Paroli fullscreen? Message-ID: <1236380533.7890.15.camel@judy> Hello, I've been tracking OM unstable. Now that Paroli is starting at boot with a full-screen I can't figure out how to start any other applications outside of using ssh. Then once started the application doesn't have the Illume top-bar available to do any of the functions it provided such as application switching or ending the program. I tried killing paroli-launcher. That left me with a black-screen. Is there something I'm missing? Thanks digger -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Leonti On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Sebastian Hammerl <list-openmoko at omoco.de> wrote: > Pander schrieb: >> I verify that with the new SHR testing and the same cellhunter version, >> that cellhunter it is not reporting on neighbouring cells. >> >> > mmh, i use shr testing without problems. did you upgrade (i did not)? > > the latest fso version requires the patch from jan. i will integrate it > at on sunday i guess. > > Sebastian >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From openmoko at ginguppin.de Sat Mar 7 00:32:23 2009 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 00:32:23 +0100 Subject: [debian/fso] gridpad, anyone? Message-ID: <op.uqd8z8uz41evsb@ginguppin> i built gridpad for debian, it runs and i can draw -- but whatever i do, no chars will ever appear in the terminal nor in leafpad. i use xfce -- is this thing usable with the enlightment eco system only? From list-openmoko at omoco.de Sat Mar 7 01:15:26 2009 From: list-openmoko at omoco.de (Sebastian Hammerl) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:15:26 +0100 Subject: [Cellhunter] no neighbouring cells In-Reply-To: <815cb1720903061515w73a334d4r78c06f443bdb6387@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B15319.4020402@users.sourceforge.net> <49B1A991.2020600@omoco.de> <815cb1720903061515w73a334d4r78c06f443bdb6387@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B1BC9E.4060309@omoco.de> Leonti Bielski schrieb: > What does this patch do? > Why Zhone shows neighbouring cells ok, and Cellhunter doesn't? > > cellhunter uses the dbus fso debug command zhone the dbus monitor feature the debug command fails with the latest fso, so the path fetches the information from the monitor interface. i will apply the patch as soon as i have the time to do it. Sebastian > Leonti > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Sebastian Hammerl > <list-openmoko at omoco.de> wrote: > >> Pander schrieb: >> >>> I verify that with the new SHR testing and the same cellhunter version, >>> that cellhunter it is not reporting on neighbouring cells. >>> >>> >>> >> mmh, i use shr testing without problems. did you upgrade (i did not)? >> >> the latest fso version requires the patch from jan. i will integrate it >> at on sunday i guess. >> >> Sebastian >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Openmoko community mailing list >>> community at lists.openmoko.org >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090307/276bdbc9/attachment.htm From mirko at openmoko.com Sat Mar 7 05:12:52 2009 From: mirko at openmoko.com (Mirko Lindner) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 23:12:52 -0500 Subject: How to use other applications with Paroli fullscreen? In-Reply-To: <1236380533.7890.15.camel@judy> References: <1236380533.7890.15.camel@judy> Message-ID: <49B1F444.2070409@openmoko.com> Hi, > I've been tracking OM unstable. Now that Paroli is starting at boot > with a full-screen I can't figure out how to start any other > applications outside of using ssh. Then once started the application > doesn't have the Illume top-bar available to do any of the functions it > provided such as application switching or ending the program. I tried > killing paroli-launcher. That left me with a black-screen. > > Is there something I'm missing? > No you aren't missing anything. Our goal is to provide a distribution that allows the user to use the gta02 as a daily phone. In order to achieve this faster we decided to make certain sacrifices to save time and energy, as our team is only small. One of these was worrying too much about integrating in illume. To put it in one sentence: for Now the paroli image comes with these styles installed. We hope we can change that in the future. There is a way of "reactivating" the old style, I will try to compile a document and publish it here. /mirko From retracile at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 06:06:18 2009 From: retracile at gmail.com (Eli) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 23:06:18 -0600 Subject: [debian] kernel upgrade and touchscreen input problems In-Reply-To: <op.up9l1kar41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de> References: <200903032226.11416.retracile@gmail.com> <op.up9l1kar41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de> Message-ID: <200903062306.18366.retracile@gmail.com> On Wednesday 04 March 2009 05:25:58 am arne anka wrote: > > When the screen goes dim, a tap of the screen brings the backlight back > > up, > > but it won't register the taps on the icons or the keyboard, or the lock > > screen. > > The Xorg log shows: > > (EE) PreInit returned NULL for "Configured Touchscreen" > > sounds like you do use xserver-xorg-input-tslib, check your xorg.conf, > instead of "TslibDevice" now it is only "Device". That was the problem. Thanks! I'm still working on the other issues. Eli ------------------. "If it ain't broke now, Eli Carter \ it will be soon." -- crypto-gram retracile at gmail.com `------------------------------------------------- From tobias.kuendig at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 09:09:15 2009 From: tobias.kuendig at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tobias_K=FCndig?=) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 09:09:15 +0100 Subject: Troubles with opkg.org repo In-Reply-To: <49B22B61.5000107@gmail.com> References: <49B0F1AB.5050101@users.sourceforge.net> <d3e504410903061309m2c23176agc37880936126f6c@mail.gmail.com> <49B22B61.5000107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <c404cf860903070009o55bc9ee7rc65888b6d56afcd@mail.gmail.com> This is a little summary of what I do: http://www.opkg.org/repo.html Am 06.03.2009 22:09, schrieb Risto H. Kurppa: At the moment it looks like that the opkg.org repository is very > unstable: packages keep breaking all the time more and more, now I > wasn't install sortdesk anymore. AFAIK nothing has changed in the > package itself. > > Tobias: Could you release the scripts that manage the files for public > eye to check if we can find something wrong there. OK, I know that > some packages are broken but also many that have a fine control fine, > they still won't install. > > http://www.opkg.org/packages/Packages > Many packages have only the filename& md5.. Not enough for a repository.. > > How about http://www.opkg.org/packages/ > - why some packages are named 0_something or 1_something? > > See: > http://www.opkg.org/package_95.html#comments > http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1399612 > > http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-community/2009/2/11/4949014/thread#mid-4949014 > http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2230730 > http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2394770 > http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2320442 > > > I'm getting really frustrated with this since there's nothing I can do.... > > > r > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <49AE81E0.6060607@gmail.com> References: <d3e504410903030236s99f5daey2a4cc54e583405a@mail.gmail.com> <49AD09F3.2060502@superzell.fr> <26fea52c0903030637y59394a69wb48e753dc1256d4a@mail.gmail.com> <49AE81E0.6060607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236438092507-2440836.post@n2.nabble.com> I got the same problem. Vagalume gets installed correctly. When launched it works until you try to play music. Then it crashes. Plz anybody can help us? I loved this app! ty! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/last.fm-anyone--tp2414445p2440836.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lanzato at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 16:44:23 2009 From: lanzato at gmail.com (lanzo) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 07:44:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: email checker? Message-ID: <1236440663474-2440959.post@n2.nabble.com> I was thinking it would be useful if my moko would check my gmail, let's say once 5 mins, on background, and warn me with sounds or vibs if it finds a new mail. 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It should work ;) After that, you can customize it to use Neo hardware - vibrator, leds etc. From dscaini at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 17:56:25 2009 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 17:56:25 +0100 Subject: [android] how to open diferent apps an navigate though them? In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80902112324i3f4aa049v2cd93b81989d0321@mail.gmail.com> References: <mailman.641.1234374734.15778.community@lists.openmoko.org> <63E9D06B-0ED9-4E1C-B602-09DCCF506F40@gothpunk.com> <5c6ceea80902112324i3f4aa049v2cd93b81989d0321@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18db98c80903070856g5f671b77x902ecb7ea9ec21e4@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, i tried now Michael Trimarchi's images... it's the best android version i ever tried! But it seems that it's still impossible to exit the browser with the existing tools... it would be great to add a key (in virtual keyboard) to go back home... what do you think? d On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 8:24 AM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez < david at tuxbrain.com> wrote: > Functional is not the word for the beta3 but is pretty promising, I > hope one day OM can have a web browser as smoth as android has > No I don't have Qi, is the uboot from the 0m2008.12 release directory. > do yo have the sdcard with two first partitions with vfat/ext3? is > mandatory to make Android boot. > > 2009/2/12 Steve 'dillo Okay <armadilo at gothpunk.com>: > > > >> > >> From: David Reyes Samblas Martinez <david at tuxbrain.com> > >> Date: February 11, 2009 5:58:50 AM PST > >> To: List for Openmoko community discussion > >> <community at lists.openmoko.org> > >> Subject: [android] how to open diferent apps an navigate though them? > >> Reply-To: List for Openmoko community discussion > >> <community at lists.openmoko.org> > >> > >> > >> I'm testing the lastest koolu image of android and is quite impresive, > >> but in order to make some screen captures I have to run two apps at > >> time Superuser and Screenshot... but in the keyboard Home button don't > >> seems to work, and Back button close the application... > >> or how to launch an apk installed app from the adb shell might be > >> usefull too > > > > Hi David, > > What bootloader are you using ? Are you using Qi ? > > I tried the Koolu beta 3 last night and couldn't get it to boot. > > It sat there for about 10 minutes at a blank screen before I gave up > > and went back to OM2008-12. > > It was getting late, I needed a functional FR and I figured I would > > play with it more this weekend. > > > > ---Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > -- > David Reyes Samblas Martinez > http://www.tuxbrain.com > Open ultraportable & embedded solutions > Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino > Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090307/0c70fdf6/attachment.htm From fercerpav at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 18:12:49 2009 From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:12:49 +0300 Subject: The Wrench story, anyone? (was: Re: How to use other applications with Paroli fullscreen?) In-Reply-To: <49B1F444.2070409@openmoko.com> (Mirko Lindner's message of "Fri\, 06 Mar 2009 23\:12\:52 -0500") References: <1236380533.7890.15.camel@judy> <49B1F444.2070409@openmoko.com> Message-ID: <m28wnh5ka6.fsf_-_@home.pavel.comp> Mirko Lindner <mirko at openmoko.com> writes: > for Now the paroli image comes with these styles installed. We hope we > can change that in the future. There is a way of "reactivating" the old > style, I will try to compile a document and publish it here. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com From dscaini at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 18:26:09 2009 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:26:09 +0100 Subject: [android] how to open diferent apps an navigate though them? In-Reply-To: <18db98c80903070856g5f671b77x902ecb7ea9ec21e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <mailman.641.1234374734.15778.community@lists.openmoko.org> <63E9D06B-0ED9-4E1C-B602-09DCCF506F40@gothpunk.com> <5c6ceea80902112324i3f4aa049v2cd93b81989d0321@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80903070856g5f671b77x902ecb7ea9ec21e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18db98c80903070926h1f331a2bv1003f430ae84d152@mail.gmail.com> right now i found a stupid trick... that simply works: you add a new window in browser than in this new window you press "back" (aux button) and you are directed to home screen... the browser remains with all your windows open if you press (again) "browser"... d On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Davide Scaini <dscaini at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > i tried now Michael Trimarchi's images... it's the best android version i > ever tried! But it seems that it's still impossible to exit the browser with > the existing tools... it would be great to add a key (in virtual keyboard) > to go back home... > what do you think? > d > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 8:24 AM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez < > david at tuxbrain.com> wrote: > >> Functional is not the word for the beta3 but is pretty promising, I >> hope one day OM can have a web browser as smoth as android has >> No I don't have Qi, is the uboot from the 0m2008.12 release directory. >> do yo have the sdcard with two first partitions with vfat/ext3? is >> mandatory to make Android boot. >> >> 2009/2/12 Steve 'dillo Okay <armadilo at gothpunk.com>: >> > >> >> >> >> From: David Reyes Samblas Martinez <david at tuxbrain.com> >> >> Date: February 11, 2009 5:58:50 AM PST >> >> To: List for Openmoko community discussion >> >> <community at lists.openmoko.org> >> >> Subject: [android] how to open diferent apps an navigate though them? >> >> Reply-To: List for Openmoko community discussion >> >> <community at lists.openmoko.org> >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm testing the lastest koolu image of android and is quite impresive, >> >> but in order to make some screen captures I have to run two apps at >> >> time Superuser and Screenshot... but in the keyboard Home button don't >> >> seems to work, and Back button close the application... >> >> or how to launch an apk installed app from the adb shell might be >> >> usefull too >> > >> > Hi David, >> > What bootloader are you using ? Are you using Qi ? >> > I tried the Koolu beta 3 last night and couldn't get it to boot. >> > It sat there for about 10 minutes at a blank screen before I gave up >> > and went back to OM2008-12. >> > It was getting late, I needed a functional FR and I figured I would >> > play with it more this weekend. >> > >> > ---Steve >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Openmoko community mailing list >> > community at lists.openmoko.org >> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> David Reyes Samblas Martinez >> http://www.tuxbrain.com >> Open ultraportable & embedded solutions >> Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino >> Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090307/ba5b4bc2/attachment.htm From scott at slal.net Sat Mar 7 20:04:16 2009 From: scott at slal.net (Scott Petersen) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 11:04:16 -0800 Subject: How to use other applications with Paroli fullscreen? In-Reply-To: <49B1F444.2070409@openmoko.com> References: <1236380533.7890.15.camel@judy> <49B1F444.2070409@openmoko.com> Message-ID: <49B2C530.2070909@slal.net> Mirko Lindner wrote: > Hi, > > I've been tracking OM unstable. Now that Paroli is starting at boot > > with a full-screen I can't figure out how to start any other > > applications outside of using ssh. Then once started the application > > doesn't have the Illume top-bar available to do any of the functions it > > provided such as application switching or ending the program. I tried > > killing paroli-launcher. That left me with a black-screen. > > > > Is there something I'm missing? > > > No you aren't missing anything. Our goal is to provide a distribution > that allows the user to use the gta02 as a daily phone. In order to > achieve this faster we decided to make certain sacrifices to save time > and energy, as our team is only small. One of these was worrying too > much about integrating in illume. > > To put it in one sentence: > > for Now the paroli image comes with these styles installed. We hope we > can change that in the future. There is a way of "reactivating" the old > style, I will try to compile a document and publish it here. > > /mirko > I too have been tracking the unstable images and slowly digging in to the code to try and contribute. First the answer: You can get back to using illume by logging in with SSH and doing opkg remove paroli-autostart rm -rf /home/root/.e reboot You should then get the illume launcher on next boot and be able to launch paroli as a regular application. There are still problems with the sizing as the current paroli only works properly as a stand alone application. It does have a setting in /etc/paroli/paroli.cfg to turn off standalone but not all the applications, particularly the dialer, honour it as the screen is too large and the bottom portion is cut off. Second a bit of a rant: I have to say that I am extremely disappointed in this decision to prevent users from using the functionality of their phone. Why would anyone want to purchase a piece of hardware with as much promise as the freerunner and not be able to use it for anything but what a sub $50 dollar phone has been able to do for years? It just doesn't make sense to me when it seems so easy to shrink paroli down a little bit and use illume. I have wondered for some time about why Paroli was duplicating functionality from illume. (e.g. the Battery level) Now I understand and I am flabbergasted. Yes I do want stable phone functionality but not at the expense of all other functionality. Scott Petersen From Quakeman1 at gmx.net Sat Mar 7 21:25:57 2009 From: Quakeman1 at gmx.net (Fox Mulder) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:25:57 +0100 Subject: [debian] xfce and xglamo Message-ID: <49B2D855.3030605@gmx.net> Hi all, today again i tried to use xglamo instead of fbdev as x11 driver. I used the description in the wiki from [1]. Now with the -dpi 96 option on the first look the desktop looks the same like with fbdev but it feels a bit more responsive and faster. :) I also edited my ~/.xsession and put "export GTK_MODULES=libgtkstylus.so &" in it how it is described at [2] to get a right click. One minor problem i encountered so far is that i can't produce a right click. But i must admit that i even don't know how to do the right click with libgtkstylus. With the tslib patch from Sebastian Ohl i just had to tap >0.5s on the same spot to activate right click, but this didn't work with libgtkstylus. I also don't know which settings in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file are correct for libgtkstylus to work. At the moment i got [3] in the Section "InputDevice". The wiki page doesn't say anything about these two settings for libgktstylus. Only for tslib patch the settings are specified. So is there any way to do the right click or is the info in the wiki just wrong and it doesn't work? The second problem (which is the real blocker) is that some programs use a way too large font. It is so huge that i can't use them. Interestingly some other programs use the right font size. So maybe i have to install some fonts or change some settings so all programs use the right size. Does somebody know how to solve this font problem? I searched the mailinglist but can't find (or overlooked) an answer to this. Ciao, Rainer [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#Xglamo_acceleration [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#With_Xglamo_driver_from_xserver-xglamo [3] Option "TslibDevice" "/dev/input/event1" #Option "EmulateRightButton" "1" From lpotter at trolltech.com Sun Mar 8 00:30:47 2009 From: lpotter at trolltech.com (Lorn Potter) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:30:47 +1000 Subject: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released In-Reply-To: <200903070006.07261.chris@csamuel.org> References: <200903052149.54813.chris@csamuel.org> <200903062319.51523.chris@csamuel.org> <ea736a480903060459o7ccb843ch4c666f0a55cbeb0d@mail.gmail.com> <200903070006.07261.chris@csamuel.org> Message-ID: <4DE8974A-0B08-4B47-B587-A31A33471705@trolltech.com> On 06/03/2009, at 11:06 PM, Chris Samuel wrote: > On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:59:58 pm HouYu Li wrote: > >> OK, actually. I was talking with lpotter in IRC channel #qtopia at >> FreeNode >> about the further improvement of QTextended. He will setup a git >> repository >> based on the 4.4.3 release source by the end of this week. Just >> waiting for >> a while. We are going to move QTextended to kernel 2.6.28. > > Aha! Sounds good to me. :-) There is a git repo already setup for sometime now, just havent updated it to 4.4.3 git://git.asheesh.org/qtopia_snapshot.git http://git.asheesh.org/?p=qtopia_snapshot.git > > I'll let the git push complete as it won't do any harm for now, we > can always > kill it later if need be. > > -- > Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC > > This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. > For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From jeffrey.ratcliffe at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 01:56:41 2009 From: jeffrey.ratcliffe at gmail.com (Jeffrey Ratcliffe) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 01:56:41 +0100 Subject: [debian] Illume won't show any icons Message-ID: <30e395780903071656v3df18f4ex495fbdd96776f2a3@mail.gmail.com> Following this thread: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2315355 I installed menu-xdg, deleted ~/.e and restarted e, and was able to choose Enlightenment (Applications), but I still see no icons. What else do I have to do? Illume is in black and white. Is this supposed to be the case? Regards Jeff From chris at c-64.mobi Sun Mar 8 02:05:24 2009 From: chris at c-64.mobi (xChris) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 17:05:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Kustomizer for 2008.12 In-Reply-To: <d3e504410902020516w7029be3aq7929e8f6ac69a81e@mail.gmail.com> References: <d3e504410902020516w7029be3aq7929e8f6ac69a81e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236474324434-2442920.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, I just run the Kustomizer 0.35 on a fresh 2008.12. There are no application-categories (as I see from the screenshoots) , every application is on the "desktop". is it a bug? chris -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Kustomizer-for-2008.12-tp2257875p2442920.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From karadog at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 03:12:59 2009 From: karadog at gmail.com (HouYu Li) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:12:59 +0800 Subject: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released In-Reply-To: <4DE8974A-0B08-4B47-B587-A31A33471705@trolltech.com> References: <200903052149.54813.chris@csamuel.org> <200903062319.51523.chris@csamuel.org> <ea736a480903060459o7ccb843ch4c666f0a55cbeb0d@mail.gmail.com> <200903070006.07261.chris@csamuel.org> <4DE8974A-0B08-4B47-B587-A31A33471705@trolltech.com> Message-ID: <ea736a480903071812h65c15945t3636e0f42f1d4705@mail.gmail.com> Yeah.... I am waiting for this...... On 3/8/09, Lorn Potter <lpotter at trolltech.com> wrote: > > On 06/03/2009, at 11:06 PM, Chris Samuel wrote: > >> On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:59:58 pm HouYu Li wrote: >> >>> OK, actually. I was talking with lpotter in IRC channel #qtopia at >>> FreeNode >>> about the further improvement of QTextended. He will setup a git >>> repository >>> based on the 4.4.3 release source by the end of this week. Just >>> waiting for >>> a while. We are going to move QTextended to kernel 2.6.28. >> >> Aha! Sounds good to me. :-) > > There is a git repo already setup for sometime now, just havent > updated it to 4.4.3 > git://git.asheesh.org/qtopia_snapshot.git > > http://git.asheesh.org/?p=qtopia_snapshot.git > > >> >> I'll let the git push complete as it won't do any harm for now, we >> can always >> kill it later if need be. >> >> -- >> Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC >> >> This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. >> For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Developer Red Hat Certified Engineer Shanghai, China From karadog at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 03:13:43 2009 From: karadog at gmail.com (HouYu Li) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:13:43 +0800 Subject: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released In-Reply-To: <ea736a480903071812h65c15945t3636e0f42f1d4705@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903052149.54813.chris@csamuel.org> <200903062319.51523.chris@csamuel.org> <ea736a480903060459o7ccb843ch4c666f0a55cbeb0d@mail.gmail.com> <200903070006.07261.chris@csamuel.org> <4DE8974A-0B08-4B47-B587-A31A33471705@trolltech.com> <ea736a480903071812h65c15945t3636e0f42f1d4705@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <ea736a480903071813s32488ed3rb0e0f6250a1eff97@mail.gmail.com> ......waiting for 4.4.3 to be there. On 3/8/09, HouYu Li <karadog at gmail.com> wrote: > Yeah.... I am waiting for this...... > > On 3/8/09, Lorn Potter <lpotter at trolltech.com> wrote: >> >> On 06/03/2009, at 11:06 PM, Chris Samuel wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:59:58 pm HouYu Li wrote: >>> >>>> OK, actually. I was talking with lpotter in IRC channel #qtopia at >>>> FreeNode >>>> about the further improvement of QTextended. He will setup a git >>>> repository >>>> based on the 4.4.3 release source by the end of this week. Just >>>> waiting for >>>> a while. We are going to move QTextended to kernel 2.6.28. >>> >>> Aha! Sounds good to me. :-) >> >> There is a git repo already setup for sometime now, just havent >> updated it to 4.4.3 >> git://git.asheesh.org/qtopia_snapshot.git >> >> http://git.asheesh.org/?p=qtopia_snapshot.git >> >> >>> >>> I'll let the git push complete as it won't do any harm for now, we >>> can always >>> kill it later if need be. >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC >>> >>> This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. >>> For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Openmoko community mailing list >>> community at lists.openmoko.org >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > -- > Best Regards > > HouYu Li, Karajan > > karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com > karadog (at) gmail.com > lihouyu (at) phpex.net > > PHP Developer > Red Hat Certified Engineer > > Shanghai, China > -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Developer Red Hat Certified Engineer Shanghai, China From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 03:19:33 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 20:19:33 -0600 Subject: How to fix missing icons in SHR-Unstable Message-ID: <ffce06340903071819p5d913a9aq16d004ac159188a2@mail.gmail.com> Hey, all. I've heard the devs are going to release a fix for the missing icons in SHR soon, but for those like me who just can't wait, I think I've got a fix. I've attached a file which needs to be put into /etc/xdg/menus/ and that should get your icons back. If it doesn't, let me know and I'll try to figure out what else I did. -- HTH, The Digital Pioneer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090307/9bf3ef69/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All file browsing-related settings are now in one place. * Default music path is now home directory and fixed bug for inability to navigate if initial music path does not exist. * Added icon for .desktop file (borrowed from SHR). * Known issue: Seeking while the repeat function is enabled for MP3 files causes the next instance of the song to play incorrectly. -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly From frazier.cameron at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 04:29:13 2009 From: frazier.cameron at gmail.com (Cameron Frazier) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 22:29:13 -0500 Subject: [All] To build a better music player In-Reply-To: <7654cee60903071900w6bb7982bn1c7887fcc49bd976@mail.gmail.com> References: <7654cee60901151017k25f49ee6u64fc0e4eef14bbf0@mail.gmail.com> <7654cee60902121455m3cd87e27s30b31226a3ad49bc@mail.gmail.com> <499954A4.9070702@hist.no> <7654cee60902171137k685e563ciad9833f0ba8c0573@mail.gmail.com> <499C1F0F.3000701@hist.no> <7654cee60902260801x15b2be3eo248e704c695d07f1@mail.gmail.com> <49A7B633.6000704@hist.no> <7654cee60902270948x3e4f3957h81c98f294aaeb863@mail.gmail.com> <49ABAB53.5090009@hist.no> <7654cee60903021903m415060baiee24528d811d8937@mail.gmail.com> <7654cee60903071900w6bb7982bn1c7887fcc49bd976@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236482953.13718.3.camel@toaster-desktop> On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 22:00 -0500, Dylan Reilly wrote: > FYI, version 0.5.7. is now available on opkg.org. > > * Seeking works again (gstreamer). > * Random play implemented (gstreamer). > * Pulled in misc., minor GUI enhancements from Paul TT (developer from > whom the this version was branched). > * Moved settings around in config. file. All file browsing-related > settings are now in one place. > * Default music path is now home directory and fixed bug for inability > to navigate if initial music path does not exist. > * Added icon for .desktop file (borrowed from SHR). > * Known issue: Seeking while the repeat function is enabled for MP3 > files causes the next instance of the song to play incorrectly. Using the mutagen ipk from opkg.org results in failure, remotely and locally. Anyone have suggestions on a work-around? root at om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install mutagen_svn-4350-2_armv4t.ipk Terminated root at om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install http://www.opkg.org/packages/mutagen_svn-4350-2_a rmv4t.ipk Downloading http://www.opkg.org/packages/mutagen_svn-4350-2_armv4t.ipk Terminated root at om-gta02 ~ $ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Had to download package manually. :( -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090307/9c8753a1/attachment.htm From mok at mnet-online.de Sun Mar 8 09:53:57 2009 From: mok at mnet-online.de (Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:53:57 +0100 Subject: How to fix missing icons in SHR-Unstable In-Reply-To: <ffce06340903071819p5d913a9aq16d004ac159188a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <ffce06340903071819p5d913a9aq16d004ac159188a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903080953.58196.mok@mnet-online.de> Am Sonntag 08 M?rz 2009 03:19:33 schrieb The Digital Pioneer: > Hey, all. I've heard the devs are going to release a fix for the missing > icons in SHR soon, but for those like me who just can't wait, I think I've > got a fix. I've attached a file which needs to be put into /etc/xdg/menus/ > and that should get your icons back. If it doesn't, let me know and I'll > try to figure out what else I did. well... that would be surprising... we (more specifically dos1) found the issue and 'opkg install e-wm-utils' fixes it. See blog.shr-project.org for details. Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann From mok at mnet-online.de Sun Mar 8 09:55:23 2009 From: mok at mnet-online.de (Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 09:55:23 +0100 Subject: [debian] Illume won't show any icons In-Reply-To: <30e395780903071656v3df18f4ex495fbdd96776f2a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <30e395780903071656v3df18f4ex495fbdd96776f2a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903080955.23648.mok@mnet-online.de> Am Sonntag 08 M?rz 2009 01:56:41 schrieb Jeffrey Ratcliffe: > Following this thread: > > http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2315355 > > I installed menu-xdg, deleted ~/.e and restarted e, and was able to > choose Enlightenment (Applications), but I still see no icons. > > What else do I have to do? > > Illume is in black and white. Is this supposed to be the case? > > Regards > > Jeff > don't know for debian... we had missing icons because of not installed e-wm- utils... Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann From mariusno at ifi.uio.no Sun Mar 8 12:08:11 2009 From: mariusno at ifi.uio.no (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Marius_N=E6ss_Olsen?=) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:08:11 +0100 Subject: Kustomizer for 2008.12 In-Reply-To: <1236474324434-2442920.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <d3e504410902020516w7029be3aq7929e8f6ac69a81e@mail.gmail.com> <1236474324434-2442920.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <49B3A71B.2050409@ifi.uio.no> Some packages are broken, so sortdesk is not being installed. xChris skrev: > Hi, > > I just run the Kustomizer 0.35 on a fresh 2008.12. > > There are no application-categories (as I see from the screenshoots) , every > application is on the "desktop". > > is it a bug? > > chris > From risto at kurppa.fi Sun Mar 8 12:14:16 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 13:14:16 +0200 Subject: Kustomizer for 2008.12 In-Reply-To: <1236474324434-2442920.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <d3e504410902020516w7029be3aq7929e8f6ac69a81e@mail.gmail.com> <1236474324434-2442920.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <d3e504410903080414t7daaa7bfk8b4a97ccf6f9221f@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:05 AM, xChris <chris at c-64.mobi> wrote: > > Hi, > > I just run the Kustomizer 0.35 on a fresh 2008.12. > > There are no application-categories (as I see from the screenshoots) , every > application is on the "desktop". > > is it a bug? Hi, thanks for letting me know! The problem is in opkg.org and the repository there. the devel version installs sortdesk (to create the folders) from another source that should be more stable. Run the following on your freerunner (copied from the end of the Kustomizer devel version) opkg install http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/613/sortdesk_1.2_armv4t.ipk sortdesk add Games sortdesk add Net sortdesk add GPS sortdesk add Tools sortdesk add Apps cd /usr/share/pixmaps/sortdesk wget http://www.kurppa.fi/freerunner/config_files/sortdesk_icons.tar.gz tar -zxf sortdesk_icons.tar.gz cd /usr/share/applications/Home #games folder="/home/root/.sortdesk/Games/"; mv liquidwar* $folder mv ko-dice* $folder mv pyefl-sudoku* $folder mv xlogical* $folder mv acceleroids* $folder mv xmahjong* $folder mv pong* $folder mv numpty* $folder mv duke3d* $folder mv openttd* $folder mv mokomaze* $folder mv linball* $folder mv openmoocow* $folder mv openmiaocat* $folder #Net folder="/home/root/.sortdesk/Net" mv midori* $folder mv minimo* $folder mv openmoko-browser* $folder mv centerim* $folder mv wireshark* $folder mv dillo* $folder mv netsurf* $folder mv wlan* $folder #GPS folder="/home/root/.sortdesk/GPS" mv navit* $folder mv om-locations* $folder mv openmoko-agps* $folder mv yaouh* $folder mv orrery* $folder mv tangogps* $folder mv gpssight* $folder mv gtkadd* $folder mv agps* $folder #Tools folder="/home/root/.sortdesk/Tools" mv battery* $folder mv gwaterpas* $folder mv perpendi* $folder mv exposure* $folder mv AppManager* $folder mv ledclock* $folder mv ffalarms* $folder mv mokoconv* $folder mv qtopia-calculator* $folder mv xterm* $folder #Apps folder="/home/root/.sortdesk/Apps" mv fbreader* $folder mv pypennotes* $folder mv voicenote* $folder mv mokox48* $folder mv mtpaint* $folder mv fourier* $folder mv neon* $folder mv leafpad* $folder mv guitartune* $folder mv gtick* $folder mv pythm* $folder mv qtopia-textedit* $folder #Globals - because sortdesk fails.. mv gpsdcontrol* .. mv meooem* .. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From risto at kurppa.fi Sun Mar 8 12:24:46 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 13:24:46 +0200 Subject: [All] To build a better music player In-Reply-To: <ffce06340903071932s33d20938r16aa6ff1599abb2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <7654cee60901151017k25f49ee6u64fc0e4eef14bbf0@mail.gmail.com> <499C1F0F.3000701@hist.no> <7654cee60902260801x15b2be3eo248e704c695d07f1@mail.gmail.com> <49A7B633.6000704@hist.no> <7654cee60902270948x3e4f3957h81c98f294aaeb863@mail.gmail.com> <49ABAB53.5090009@hist.no> <7654cee60903021903m415060baiee24528d811d8937@mail.gmail.com> <7654cee60903071900w6bb7982bn1c7887fcc49bd976@mail.gmail.com> <1236482953.13718.3.camel@toaster-desktop> <ffce06340903071932s33d20938r16aa6ff1599abb2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <d3e504410903080424n54b4a459u48f73a4acae845a5@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 5:32 AM, The Digital Pioneer <digitalpioneer at gmail.com> wrote: > Of course, opkg gives the obligatory segfault. Had to download package > manually. :( I'm sure we're all experienced the opkg.org problems.. Please have a look at this here: http://www.opkg.org/repo.html It tells how the repository is built. Try to find what's wrong there.. Being able to find it would allow everyone a nice smooth opkg.org repository experince.. Anyway, thanks for the new version! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Sun Mar 8 12:49:17 2009 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:49:17 +0200 Subject: [debian] xfce and xglamo In-Reply-To: <49B2D855.3030605@gmx.net> (Fox Mulder's message of "Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:25:57 +0100") References: <49B2D855.3030605@gmx.net> Message-ID: <84wsb0mdz6.fsf@sauna.l.org> Fox Mulder <Quakeman1 at gmx.net> writes: > The second problem (which is the real blocker) is that some programs use > a way too large font. It is so huge that i can't use them. Interestingly What is "xdpyinfo" showing as DPI when this happens? From andy at openmoko.com Sun Mar 8 13:28:35 2009 From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:28:35 +0000 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) / adding caps for bass In-Reply-To: <49B0EB58.8080809@hist.no> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <49AE62D0.8070105@hist.no> <200903041427.12578.joerg@openmoko.org> <5c6ceea80903040858q22f1363bk5b2578ea8759416e@mail.gmail.com> <49AFBDD6.8070705@hist.no> <jwvy6vjx57l.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> <49B01122.5030105@openmoko.com> <49B0EB58.8080809@hist.no> Message-ID: <49B3B9F3.80403@openmoko.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: |> Lifting the can and meddling with the caps is nontrivial. Somebody did |> give this plan a go on the list about 6 months ago and reported some |> success though. But I don't recommend considering it unless you are in |> an experimental frame of mind and can deal with the fiddling and risk |> involved. | | I understand that it won't be trivial. Maybe not for me. But if openmoko | creates a standard procedure for this improvement too, then I can have | an electronic repair shop do everything in one go - both buzz and bass | fixes. That will cost me less than having the fixes done separately, | even if both fixes together may cost a bit more than buzz only. I hope | to ship the phone only once, the repair guy will need to open it only | once... I did this rework thismorning just to see how possible it is. I wrote up the following document about it http://people.openmoko.org/andy/additional-headset-audio-caps.pdf but this isn't intended to be any official story, just something for people to try at their own risk. Don't go near it unless you're confident you can handle the rework listed in there. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmzufMACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpZpgCglANrjlScuayAoa1USU5wv8of t0sAn2LQ8qmJu4uNhnaEv8Y953qzgu1R =oq/B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chris at c-64.mobi Sun Mar 8 14:00:25 2009 From: chris at c-64.mobi (xChris) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 06:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kustomizer for 2008.12 In-Reply-To: <d3e504410903080414t7daaa7bfk8b4a97ccf6f9221f@mail.gmail.com> References: <d3e504410902020516w7029be3aq7929e8f6ac69a81e@mail.gmail.com> <1236474324434-2442920.post@n2.nabble.com> <d3e504410903080414t7daaa7bfk8b4a97ccf6f9221f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236517225503-2444341.post@n2.nabble.com> btw, when after I installed the Kustomizer, I cannot hear anymore from the handset. I changed the states, but still nothing. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Kustomizer-for-2008.12-tp2257875p2444341.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From risto at kurppa.fi Sun Mar 8 14:30:36 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:30:36 +0200 Subject: Troubles with opkg.org repo In-Reply-To: <c404cf860903070009o55bc9ee7rc65888b6d56afcd@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B0F1AB.5050101@users.sourceforge.net> <d3e504410903061309m2c23176agc37880936126f6c@mail.gmail.com> <49B22B61.5000107@gmail.com> <c404cf860903070009o55bc9ee7rc65888b6d56afcd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <d3e504410903080630j574705e7n780933469a04c1db@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Tobias K?ndig <tobias.kuendig at gmail.com> wrote: > This is a little summary of what I do: http://www.opkg.org/repo.html Thanks Tobias! At #openmoko tried to figure out what's wrong. Someone pointed out that ftp uses ascii mode by default - I suppose you're uploading at least the Packages -ascii file. How about packages.gz. Man ftp says that ascii upload of binary files might corrupt it -> this might be the problem - using binary format shouldn't corrupt the .gz Another find was that 22 packages out of 93 were other than Debian Binary when checked with file *ipk. The list file types listed below: DEBIAN BINARY ? CORRECT!!! neon_0.9.8-r1_all.ipk openmoocow_0.3_armv4t.ipk nethack_3.4.3-10.1-0.4_armv4t.ipk openmiaocat_0.2.2_armv4t.ipk orrery_2.4_arm_2008.8.ipk pyring_1.1.6-r1_armv4t.ipk python-pyalsaaudio_0.3-ml0_armv4t.ipk perpendicular_0.1_armv4t.ipk pong_0.1_armv4t.ipk liquidwar_5.6.4-2_armv4t.ipk moko-eightball_0.20080721_om-gta02.ipk mokogeocaching_0.2_all.ipk meooem_0.1_armv4t.ipk minimo_0.02+cvs20070626-r1_armv4t.ipk mokomaze_0.2.2-1_armv4t.ipk mokox48_1.0_arm_2008.8.ipk mutagen_svn-4350-2_armv4t.ipk mokopod_0.1.5_armv4t.ipk mokosync_0.1_arm.ipk tangogps_0.9.6-r0_armv4t.ipk wicd_1.5.6_armv4t.ipk wlan_0.3_arm.ipk tor-0.2.0.34_0.1_armv4t.ipk usbmode-button_0.3_armv4t.ipk xmahjongg-3.7_0.2_armv4t.ipk zinnia-tomoe-ja_0.6.0-20080911_armv4t.ipk zinnia-tomoe-zh_0.6.0-20080911_armv4t.ipk zedlock_0.1_armv4t.ipk zinnia_0.02_armv4t.ipk pytomboy_0.1_armv4t.ipk remoko-server_0.2.1_svnr119-r0_armv4t.ipk rotate_0.0.2_armv4t.ipk qwo_0.4_armv4t.ipk remoko_0.3.2_armv4t.ipk rotator_0.1_all.ipk sms-sentry_1.0-r0_armv4t.ipk swedish-illume_0.1_armv4t.ipk satan_0.4_armv4t.ipk scummvm_0.12.0_armv4t.ipk deforaos-browser_0.1.0_armv4t.ipk epiano_0.3.1-r1_armv4t.ipk ethtool_6_armv4t.ipk deforaos-editor_0.1.0_armv4t.ipk enscribi_0.1_armv4t.ipk euphony_0.1.3-r0_armv4t.ipk ffalarms_0.2-r0_all.ipk fido_0.2.2-r0_armv4t.ipk evopedia_0.1_any.ipk fbreader_0.8.2a-r7+elleopatches_om-gta02.ipk 0_pythm_0.5.5-dmr_armv4t.ipk 1_wireshark_1.0.99+svnr26030_armv4t.ipk acceleroids_0.1.0-0_armv4t.ipk 0_tshark_1.0.99+svnr26030_armv4t.ipk 0_wireshark-common_1.0.99+svnr26030_armv4t.ipk bt-gps_1.0-r0_armv4t.ipk cellhunter_0.4.2_armv4t.ipk agps_0.1_armv4t.ipk danish-illume-0.0.1.ipk batalarm_0.2_all.ipk illume-default-alt_0.1_arm.ipk guitartune_0.31_arm.ipk gtick_0.1_armv4t.ipk fourier_1.1_arm.ipk leafpad_0.8.15-r1_armv4t.ipk libsystem_0.1.0_armv4t.ipk gwaterpas_0.2_armv4t.ipk ledclock_0.6_all.ipk flashlight_0.1_armv4t.ipk gridpad_2.0-r0.1_armv4t.ipk gridpad_1.432-r0.1_armv4t.ipk libboost-signals1.33.1_1.33.1-r3_armv4t.ipk DATA gpssight_0.8.4_freerunner.armv4t.ipk EMPTY sortdesk_1.2_armv4t.ipk jdd_0.1_all.ipk usbmode_0.1_armv4t.ipk accel-rotate_0.41_armv4t.ipk 0_multitap-pad_0.1_armv4t.ipk omview_r32_armv4t.ipk deforaos-player_0.1.0_armv4t.ipk illume-keyboards-ru_0.2_om-gta02.ipk GZIP yphonekitd_0.4.3_any.ipk zomg_0.0.6-r2_armv4t.ipk mbac_0.3_all.ipk ylock_0.2_all.ipk mofi_0.02_armv4t.ipk illume-keyboards-norwegian-no_0.1_all.ipk efplayer_0.3_arm.ipk playstankontakarta_0.4_any.ipk osmupdater_0.4_any.ipk voicenote_0.3_arm.ipk mokocard_0.1_all.ipk mokoconv_0.1_all.ipk shortom_0.2_all.ipk So things seem to fail because: - Empty file is an empty file, not much to discuss about that. Only need to find out the reason for that: did the authors really upload an empty package or did the upload fail but an empty file was created? - ar isn't able to extract gzip files so all files recognized as gzip will not get listed properly in the Packages file. Again the reason for the wrong file type should be found: did the packages package it wrong or did the type/mime/something get corrupted along the way, during the upload or on the server? So if YOU reader have packaged some of the packages not recognized as debian binary please make sure that the package you upload is recognized as debian binary with the command 'file packagename.ipk' and then upload it again.. Now we only need to find out a way to contact all packagers... r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From risto at kurppa.fi Sun Mar 8 14:41:04 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:41:04 +0200 Subject: Kustomizer for 2008.12 In-Reply-To: <1236517225503-2444341.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <d3e504410902020516w7029be3aq7929e8f6ac69a81e@mail.gmail.com> <1236474324434-2442920.post@n2.nabble.com> <d3e504410903080414t7daaa7bfk8b4a97ccf6f9221f@mail.gmail.com> <1236517225503-2444341.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <d3e504410903080641p5f9afe42lb937e91760a77e12@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:00 PM, xChris <chris at c-64.mobi> wrote: > > btw, when after I installed the Kustomizer, I cannot hear anymore from the > handset. > I changed the states, ?but still nothing. Hmm.. this is interesting.. What version did you install, 0.35 or the devel version. Devel has some changes in pythm config, it _might_ have some effect but not sure.. Check alsamixer if you can find anything there.. I'll try to have a look at it too.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From chris at c-64.mobi Sun Mar 8 15:00:57 2009 From: chris at c-64.mobi (xChris) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 07:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kustomizer for 2008.12 In-Reply-To: <d3e504410903080641p5f9afe42lb937e91760a77e12@mail.gmail.com> References: <d3e504410902020516w7029be3aq7929e8f6ac69a81e@mail.gmail.com> <1236474324434-2442920.post@n2.nabble.com> <d3e504410903080414t7daaa7bfk8b4a97ccf6f9221f@mail.gmail.com> <1236517225503-2444341.post@n2.nabble.com> <d3e504410903080641p5f9afe42lb937e91760a77e12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236520857387-2444552.post@n2.nabble.com> nevermind... I had a backup of some alsa states.(from previous installations) I put them on the Freerunner, its ok now.. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Kustomizer-for-2008.12-tp2257875p2444552.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From risto at kurppa.fi Sun Mar 8 15:01:45 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:01:45 +0200 Subject: Your package is broken in opkg.org Message-ID: <d3e504410903080701k122514a9je16fed7d0e965665@mail.gmail.com> (cc:d the authors of some broken packages I was able to extract the e-mail address from..) Hi! If you have packaged some of the apps listed below, I just want to let you know that the package in opkg.org is broken and not recognized as an installable file (to try this, download the packages from opkg.org and run file package.ipk - it should return Debian Binary but for the ones listed below, it returns data/empty or gzip) So please check that your local package returns debian binary and then upload it again to opkg.org. The file need to have a control file in it to work in the opkg.org repository opkg.org/packages Packaging instructions can be found at http://cc.oulu.fi/~rantalai/freerunner/packaging/ Thanks! r On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa <risto at kurppa.fi> wrote: > DATA > gpssight_0.8.4_freerunner.armv4t.ipk > > EMPTY > sortdesk_1.2_armv4t.ipk > jdd_0.1_all.ipk > usbmode_0.1_armv4t.ipk > accel-rotate_0.41_armv4t.ipk > 0_multitap-pad_0.1_armv4t.ipk > omview_r32_armv4t.ipk > deforaos-player_0.1.0_armv4t.ipk > illume-keyboards-ru_0.2_om-gta02.ipk > > GZIP > yphonekitd_0.4.3_any.ipk > zomg_0.0.6-r2_armv4t.ipk > mbac_0.3_all.ipk > ylock_0.2_all.ipk > mofi_0.02_armv4t.ipk > illume-keyboards-norwegian-no_0.1_all.ipk > efplayer_0.3_arm.ipk > playstankontakarta_0.4_any.ipk > osmupdater_0.4_any.ipk > voicenote_0.3_arm.ipk > mokocard_0.1_all.ipk > mokoconv_0.1_all.ipk > shortom_0.2_all.ipk > > So things seem to fail because: > - Empty file is an empty file, not much to discuss about that. Only > need to find out the reason for that: did the authors really upload an > empty package or did the upload fail but an empty file was created? > > - ar isn't able to extract gzip files so all files recognized as gzip > will not get listed properly in the Packages file. Again the reason > for the wrong file type should be found: did the packages package it > wrong or did the type/mime/something get corrupted along the way, > during the upload or on the server? -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From zimmermann at vdm-design.de Sun Mar 8 15:05:10 2009 From: zimmermann at vdm-design.de (Thomas Zimmermann) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:05:10 +0100 Subject: Troubles with opkg.org repo In-Reply-To: <d3e504410903080630j574705e7n780933469a04c1db@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B0F1AB.5050101@users.sourceforge.net> <c404cf860903070009o55bc9ee7rc65888b6d56afcd@mail.gmail.com> <d3e504410903080630j574705e7n780933469a04c1db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903081505.10734.zimmermann@vdm-design.de> Am Sunday 08 March 2009 14:30:36 schrieb Risto H. Kurppa: > On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Tobias K?ndig <tobias.kuendig at gmail.com> wrote: > > This is a little summary of what I do: http://www.opkg.org/repo.html > > Thanks Tobias! > > At #openmoko tried to figure out what's wrong. Someone pointed out > that ftp uses ascii mode by default - I suppose you're uploading at > least the Packages -ascii file. How about packages.gz. Man ftp says > that ascii upload of binary files might corrupt it -> this might be > the problem - using binary format shouldn't corrupt the .gz > > Another find was that 22 packages out of 93 were other than Debian > Binary when checked with file *ipk. The list file types listed below: > > DEBIAN BINARY ? CORRECT!!! > neon_0.9.8-r1_all.ipk > openmoocow_0.3_armv4t.ipk > nethack_3.4.3-10.1-0.4_armv4t.ipk > openmiaocat_0.2.2_armv4t.ipk > orrery_2.4_arm_2008.8.ipk > pyring_1.1.6-r1_armv4t.ipk > python-pyalsaaudio_0.3-ml0_armv4t.ipk > perpendicular_0.1_armv4t.ipk > pong_0.1_armv4t.ipk > liquidwar_5.6.4-2_armv4t.ipk > moko-eightball_0.20080721_om-gta02.ipk > mokogeocaching_0.2_all.ipk > meooem_0.1_armv4t.ipk > minimo_0.02+cvs20070626-r1_armv4t.ipk > mokomaze_0.2.2-1_armv4t.ipk > mokox48_1.0_arm_2008.8.ipk > mutagen_svn-4350-2_armv4t.ipk > mokopod_0.1.5_armv4t.ipk > mokosync_0.1_arm.ipk > tangogps_0.9.6-r0_armv4t.ipk > wicd_1.5.6_armv4t.ipk > wlan_0.3_arm.ipk > tor-0.2.0.34_0.1_armv4t.ipk > usbmode-button_0.3_armv4t.ipk > xmahjongg-3.7_0.2_armv4t.ipk > zinnia-tomoe-ja_0.6.0-20080911_armv4t.ipk > zinnia-tomoe-zh_0.6.0-20080911_armv4t.ipk > zedlock_0.1_armv4t.ipk > zinnia_0.02_armv4t.ipk > pytomboy_0.1_armv4t.ipk > remoko-server_0.2.1_svnr119-r0_armv4t.ipk > rotate_0.0.2_armv4t.ipk > qwo_0.4_armv4t.ipk > remoko_0.3.2_armv4t.ipk > rotator_0.1_all.ipk > sms-sentry_1.0-r0_armv4t.ipk > swedish-illume_0.1_armv4t.ipk > satan_0.4_armv4t.ipk > scummvm_0.12.0_armv4t.ipk > deforaos-browser_0.1.0_armv4t.ipk > epiano_0.3.1-r1_armv4t.ipk > ethtool_6_armv4t.ipk > deforaos-editor_0.1.0_armv4t.ipk > enscribi_0.1_armv4t.ipk > euphony_0.1.3-r0_armv4t.ipk > ffalarms_0.2-r0_all.ipk > fido_0.2.2-r0_armv4t.ipk > evopedia_0.1_any.ipk > fbreader_0.8.2a-r7+elleopatches_om-gta02.ipk > 0_pythm_0.5.5-dmr_armv4t.ipk > 1_wireshark_1.0.99+svnr26030_armv4t.ipk > acceleroids_0.1.0-0_armv4t.ipk > 0_tshark_1.0.99+svnr26030_armv4t.ipk > 0_wireshark-common_1.0.99+svnr26030_armv4t.ipk > bt-gps_1.0-r0_armv4t.ipk > cellhunter_0.4.2_armv4t.ipk > agps_0.1_armv4t.ipk > danish-illume-0.0.1.ipk > batalarm_0.2_all.ipk > illume-default-alt_0.1_arm.ipk > guitartune_0.31_arm.ipk > gtick_0.1_armv4t.ipk > fourier_1.1_arm.ipk > leafpad_0.8.15-r1_armv4t.ipk > libsystem_0.1.0_armv4t.ipk > gwaterpas_0.2_armv4t.ipk > ledclock_0.6_all.ipk > flashlight_0.1_armv4t.ipk > gridpad_2.0-r0.1_armv4t.ipk > gridpad_1.432-r0.1_armv4t.ipk > libboost-signals1.33.1_1.33.1-r3_armv4t.ipk > > DATA > gpssight_0.8.4_freerunner.armv4t.ipk > > EMPTY > sortdesk_1.2_armv4t.ipk > jdd_0.1_all.ipk > usbmode_0.1_armv4t.ipk > accel-rotate_0.41_armv4t.ipk > 0_multitap-pad_0.1_armv4t.ipk > omview_r32_armv4t.ipk > deforaos-player_0.1.0_armv4t.ipk > illume-keyboards-ru_0.2_om-gta02.ipk > > GZIP > yphonekitd_0.4.3_any.ipk > zomg_0.0.6-r2_armv4t.ipk > mbac_0.3_all.ipk > ylock_0.2_all.ipk > mofi_0.02_armv4t.ipk > illume-keyboards-norwegian-no_0.1_all.ipk > efplayer_0.3_arm.ipk > playstankontakarta_0.4_any.ipk > osmupdater_0.4_any.ipk > voicenote_0.3_arm.ipk > mokocard_0.1_all.ipk > mokoconv_0.1_all.ipk > shortom_0.2_all.ipk > > So things seem to fail because: > - Empty file is an empty file, not much to discuss about that. Only > need to find out the reason for that: did the authors really upload an > empty package or did the upload fail but an empty file was created? > > - ar isn't able to extract gzip files so all files recognized as gzip > will not get listed properly in the Packages file. Again the reason > for the wrong file type should be found: did the packages package it > wrong or did the type/mime/something get corrupted along the way, > during the upload or on the server? > > So if YOU reader have packaged some of the packages not recognized as > debian binary please make sure that the package you upload is > recognized as debian binary with the command 'file packagename.ipk' > and then upload it again.. > > Now we only need to find out a way to contact all packagers... > > > > r Additionally there are a lot of Packages that don't contain a control file with depencies and so on: Form the packages in debian format are these: 0_tshark_1.0.99+svnr26030_armv4t.ipk danish-illume-0.0.1.ipk gtick_0.1_armv4t.ipk numptyphysics_0.3-svn118_armv4t.opk wicd_1.5.6_armv4t.ipk 0_wireshark-common_1.0.99+svnr26030_armv4t.ipk deforaos-browser_0.1.0_armv4t.ipk guitartune_0.31_arm.ipk openttd_0.6-r0.6_armv4t.opk xmahjongg-3.7_0.2_armv4t.ipk 0_xlogical_1.0-8-r0.4_armv4t.opk deforaos-editor_0.1.0_armv4t.ipk illume-keyboards-dutch-nl_0.3_all.opk pong_0.1_armv4t.ipk zedlock_0.1_armv4t.ipk 1_wireshark_1.0.99+svnr26030_armv4t.ipk enscribi_0.1_armv4t.ipk libboost-signals1.33.1_1.33.1-r3_armv4t.ipk python-pyalsaaudio_0.3-ml0_armv4t.ipk zinnia-tomoe-ja_0.6.0-20080911_armv4t.ipk AppManager_1.0.1_all.opk ethtool_6_armv4t.ipk libsystem_0.1.0_armv4t.ipk remoko_0.3.2_armv4t.ipk zinnia-tomoe-zh_0.6.0-20080911_armv4t.ipk batalarm_0.2_all.ipk fbreader_0.8.2a-r7+elleopatches_om-gta02.ipk mutagen_svn-4350-2_armv4t.ipk rotator_0.1_all.ipk centerim_4.22.7-r0.1_armv4t.opk flashlight_0.1_armv4t.ipk nethack_3.4.3-10.1-0.4_armv4t.ipk tichy_0.1+svnr279-r0.01_armv4t.opk And from the packages in gzip format: efplayer_0.3_arm.ipk mofi_0.02_armv4t.ipk osmupdater_0.4_any.ipk playstankontakarta_0.4_any.ipk zomg_0.0.6-r2_armv4t.ipk So if the authors of these packages can update them that would be great. From risto at kurppa.fi Sun Mar 8 15:10:13 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:10:13 +0200 Subject: Kustomizer for 2008.12 In-Reply-To: <1236520857387-2444552.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <d3e504410902020516w7029be3aq7929e8f6ac69a81e@mail.gmail.com> <1236474324434-2442920.post@n2.nabble.com> <d3e504410903080414t7daaa7bfk8b4a97ccf6f9221f@mail.gmail.com> <1236517225503-2444341.post@n2.nabble.com> <d3e504410903080641p5f9afe42lb937e91760a77e12@mail.gmail.com> <1236520857387-2444552.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <d3e504410903080710s5e36cae9j38845697e8aff03@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 4:00 PM, xChris <chris at c-64.mobi> wrote: > > nevermind... > > I had a backup of some alsa states.(from previous installations) ?I put them > on the Freerunner, its ok now.. Hmm.. I suppose this means that kustomizer might install broken alsta states.. Could you still specify what version did you use? Thanks! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From triveros at enable.cl Sun Mar 8 15:15:52 2009 From: triveros at enable.cl (Tomas Riveros Schober) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 11:15:52 -0300 Subject: Troubles with opkg.org repo In-Reply-To: <200903081505.10734.zimmermann@vdm-design.de> References: <49B0F1AB.5050101@users.sourceforge.net> <c404cf860903070009o55bc9ee7rc65888b6d56afcd@mail.gmail.com> <d3e504410903080630j574705e7n780933469a04c1db@mail.gmail.com> <200903081505.10734.zimmermann@vdm-design.de> Message-ID: <49B3D318.8010702@enable.cl> (...cut...) With that huge list of broken packages, wouldn't it be better to just remove them from opkg.org's repository while good versions are uploaded? maybe after that implement some sort of automatic check for both conditions (file type and control file inside) regards Tom From fr-om at tourde.org Sun Mar 8 15:39:31 2009 From: fr-om at tourde.org (=?utf-8?Q?Fran=C3=A7ois?= TOURDE) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 15:39:31 +0100 Subject: Your package is broken in opkg.org In-Reply-To: <d3e504410903080701k122514a9je16fed7d0e965665@mail.gmail.com> (Risto H. Kurppa's message of "Sun\, 8 Mar 2009 16\:01\:45 +0200") References: <d3e504410903080701k122514a9je16fed7d0e965665@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87tz64t6xo.fsf@fermat.tourde.home> Le 14311i?me jour apr?s Epoch, Risto H. Kurppa ?crivait: > If you have packaged some of the apps listed below, I just want to let > you know that the package in opkg.org is broken and not recognized as > an installable file Hi Risto. Mine (jdd) is correct on my local machine. I uploaded it again (twice because of a mistake) on opkg.org, and now the file n_<mypackage> seems to be correct. The new naming convention (n_package) may cause some problems. Should I remove completely the package before reinstalling it ? From chris at c-64.mobi Sun Mar 8 15:42:01 2009 From: chris at c-64.mobi (xChris) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 07:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kustomizer for 2008.12 In-Reply-To: <d3e504410903080710s5e36cae9j38845697e8aff03@mail.gmail.com> References: <d3e504410902020516w7029be3aq7929e8f6ac69a81e@mail.gmail.com> <1236474324434-2442920.post@n2.nabble.com> <d3e504410903080414t7daaa7bfk8b4a97ccf6f9221f@mail.gmail.com> <1236517225503-2444341.post@n2.nabble.com> <d3e504410903080641p5f9afe42lb937e91760a77e12@mail.gmail.com> <1236520857387-2444552.post@n2.nabble.com> <d3e504410903080710s5e36cae9j38845697e8aff03@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236523321817-2444676.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, its the: # Version 0.35 - 2009-02-20 Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 4:00 PM, xChris <chris at c-64.mobi> wrote: >> >> nevermind... >> >> I had a backup of some alsa states.(from previous installations) ?I put >> them >> on the Freerunner, its ok now.. > > Hmm.. I suppose this means that kustomizer might install broken alsta > states.. Could you still specify what version did you use? > > Thanks! > > > r > > > -- > | risto h. kurppa > | risto at kurppa dot fi > | http://risto.kurppa.fi > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Kustomizer-for-2008.12-tp2257875p2444676.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From tingox at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 15:47:40 2009 From: tingox at gmail.com (Torfinn Ingolfsen) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:47:40 +0100 Subject: Flashing GSM firmware In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0903051519060.2226@risby.home.teaparty.net> References: <mailman.1211.1235360901.15778.community@lists.openmoko.org> <E805C680-2DE8-4BD9-9B12-5E3954A1E727@roadknightlabs.com> <m2ljrk5t3f.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <alpine.LFD.2.00.0903051519060.2226@risby.home.teaparty.net> Message-ID: <ef8c8a880903080747k30cecdd8m69a4cd364ae6a167@mail.gmail.com> Hello, On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Tom Yates <madhatter at teaparty.net> wrote: > if anyone else is minded to try it, there are a few more details at > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#uSD-card_Image . Will this image work on a Neo 1973 as well? -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen From tanuva at googlemail.com Sun Mar 8 15:55:34 2009 From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:55:34 +0100 Subject: [Debian] Launch openmoko-panel-plugin functions from .desktop files? Message-ID: <200903081555.34571.tanuva@gmail.com> Hello, Since illume doesn't provide a systray (and the screen's too slim for all the icons anyway), I'm looking for a way to for example launch the usb-mode- or the shutdown/suspend/wifi(on|off)-panel by hand from some .desktop icon instead of the (unavailable) systray symbol. I had a look at the code but I don't really understand what launches what and when there... As of writing this, I remember some of that must be possible through mdbus calls, but does frameworkd provide functions for switching usb host/client mode? (Okay, I could find that out myself, API docs ftw...) But the question stays the same: Can I somehow launch these nice panels manually? -- Marcel From fercerpav at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 16:08:31 2009 From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:08:31 +0300 Subject: Flashing GSM firmware In-Reply-To: <ef8c8a880903080747k30cecdd8m69a4cd364ae6a167@mail.gmail.com> (Torfinn Ingolfsen's message of "Sun\, 8 Mar 2009 15\:47\:40 +0100") References: <mailman.1211.1235360901.15778.community@lists.openmoko.org> <E805C680-2DE8-4BD9-9B12-5E3954A1E727@roadknightlabs.com> <m2ljrk5t3f.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <alpine.LFD.2.00.0903051519060.2226@risby.home.teaparty.net> <ef8c8a880903080747k30cecdd8m69a4cd364ae6a167@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <m24oy459xs.fsf@home.pavel.comp> Torfinn Ingolfsen <tingox at gmail.com> writes: > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Tom Yates <madhatter at teaparty.net> wrote: >> if anyone else is minded to try it, there are a few more details at >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#uSD-card_Image . > > Will this image work on a Neo 1973 as well? Not yet. But the manual instructions at the OM wiki were verified to work on Neo1973. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com From sebastian+ml.openmoko-community at ohl.name Sun Mar 8 16:23:13 2009 From: sebastian+ml.openmoko-community at ohl.name (Sebastian Ohl) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:23:13 +0100 Subject: [Debian] Launch openmoko-panel-plugin functions from .desktop files? In-Reply-To: <200903081555.34571.tanuva@gmail.com> References: <200903081555.34571.tanuva@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236525793.2742.5.camel@localhost> Hi, On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 15:55 +0100, Marcel wrote: > Since illume doesn't provide a systray (and the screen's too slim for all the > icons anyway), I'm looking for a way to for example launch the usb-mode- or > the shutdown/suspend/wifi(on|off)-panel by hand from some .desktop icon > instead of the (unavailable) systray symbol. I had a look at the code but I > don't really understand what launches what and when there... As of writing > this, I remember some of that must be possible through mdbus calls, but does > frameworkd provide functions for switching usb host/client mode? (Okay, I > could find that out myself, API docs ftw...) > But the question stays the same: Can I somehow launch these nice panels > manually? i don't know if i am understanding you correctly: you want to start only a part of opp without haveing a systray application running, right? first of all you can disable the icons you don't want to have in opp so there should be no need to strip opp down to what you wanne use. second the initialization of the icons are mainly done in the StatusIcon object of the opp code. if you want to add icons to an other environment than systray, you may want to change this code. we are always happy to receive patches to enhance opp. but may be the easyest was to achive your goal is to find/write a systray application for illume. -- Regars Sebastian Ohl -- Sebastian Ohl sebastian at ohl.name Kurzekampstr. 14 Tel +49 531 7998221 D-38104 Braunschweig Mobil +49 172 1837678 From joerg at openmoko.org Sun Mar 8 17:46:09 2009 From: joerg at openmoko.org (Joerg Reisenweber) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:46:09 +0100 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <49AFBDD6.8070705@hist.no> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <5c6ceea80903040858q22f1363bk5b2578ea8759416e@mail.gmail.com> <49AFBDD6.8070705@hist.no> Message-ID: <200903081746.10621.joerg@openmoko.org> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix /j -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Only effect is the same :D From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 18:49:02 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 12:49:02 -0500 Subject: How to fix missing icons in SHR-Unstable In-Reply-To: <c30e08170903081046m5544ff2cu97517fb1aa65259b@mail.gmail.com> References: <ffce06340903071819p5d913a9aq16d004ac159188a2@mail.gmail.com> <200903080953.58196.mok@mnet-online.de> <ffce06340903081041t3f1df8dbu5183ea5c64b5f6fd@mail.gmail.com> <c30e08170903081046m5544ff2cu97517fb1aa65259b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <ffce06340903081049j4adca489m820bf7a745a6dc9b@mail.gmail.com> Ahh, so I guess I halfway fixed it without noticing... OK, so reinstall e-wm-utils and then fix applications.menu? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The way I documented you keep the leads short, the components are all in the can and the can is unchanged, but you're limited to 22uF or maybe 47uF. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkm0BrEACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpKEgCffFr8lSOttUjCypf7dJJeCkN2 q5AAnig1L9yZhI/ot2gZuIbPkED4wG6D =3L+d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dv_mlist at verizon.net Sun Mar 8 19:40:47 2009 From: dv_mlist at verizon.net (digger vermont) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:40:47 -0400 Subject: How to use other applications with Paroli fullscreen? In-Reply-To: <49B1F444.2070409@openmoko.com> References: <1236380533.7890.15.camel@judy> <49B1F444.2070409@openmoko.com> Message-ID: <1236537647.30790.172.camel@judy> On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 23:12 -0500, Mirko Lindner wrote: > Hi, > > I've been tracking OM unstable. Now that Paroli is starting at boot > > with a full-screen I can't figure out how to start any other > > applications outside of using ssh. Then once started the application > > doesn't have the Illume top-bar available to do any of the functions it > > provided such as application switching or ending the program. I tried > > killing paroli-launcher. That left me with a black-screen. > > > > Is there something I'm missing? > > > No you aren't missing anything. Our goal is to provide a distribution > that allows the user to use the gta02 as a daily phone. In order to > achieve this faster we decided to make certain sacrifices to save time > and energy, as our team is only small. One of these was worrying too > much about integrating in illume. > > To put it in one sentence: > > for Now the paroli image comes with these styles installed. We hope we > can change that in the future. There is a way of "reactivating" the old > style, I will try to compile a document and publish it here. > > /mirko > Mirko, thanks for your reply. However like Scott Petersen, I unfortunately feel the need to rant. I find the decision frustrating. I guess I don't see why Illume and Paroli are at such odds. With Paroli's current direction it seems to mean that if I want to help develop Paroli, as it is meant to be used, I must give up using the FreeRunner for anything else. By isolating Paroli in that way it may have the effect of even more fragmentation of community resources and less people joining in on its development. I'll tell you, it makes me feel less enthusiastic. My desire is to be developing on the FreeRunner. Paroli seems like a good way to go. I enjoy working with Python, Edje, and now learning Elementary. To that end I have been experimenting with Paroli toward the goal of integrating "FSO Control"[0] into it. Unfortunately the time when I can do that is sporadic and, due to those constraints, I can't just plain say, "Yes I will be helping with Paroli." So my frustration is also that I can't commit my own support to any large degree in an effort to steer Paroli's direction. digger [0]There is a new release, version 0.2.0, at https://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=225 I've had problems with opkg.org and haven't had time to make a proper announcement. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090308/3c7150f0/attachment.pgp From dv_mlist at verizon.net Sun Mar 8 19:42:58 2009 From: dv_mlist at verizon.net (digger vermont) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:42:58 -0400 Subject: How to use other applications with Paroli fullscreen? In-Reply-To: <49B2C530.2070909@slal.net> References: <1236380533.7890.15.camel@judy> <49B1F444.2070409@openmoko.com> <49B2C530.2070909@slal.net> Message-ID: <1236537778.30790.174.camel@judy> On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 11:04 -0800, Scott Petersen wrote: > Mirko Lindner wrote: > > Hi, > > > I've been tracking OM unstable. Now that Paroli is starting at boot > > > with a full-screen I can't figure out how to start any other > > > applications outside of using ssh. Then once started the application > > > doesn't have the Illume top-bar available to do any of the functions it > > > provided such as application switching or ending the program. I tried > > > killing paroli-launcher. That left me with a black-screen. ... > > To put it in one sentence: > > > > for Now the paroli image comes with these styles installed. We hope we > > can change that in the future. There is a way of "reactivating" the old > > style, I will try to compile a document and publish it here. > > > > /mirko > > > I too have been tracking the unstable images and slowly digging in to > the code to try and contribute. > > First the answer: > > You can get back to using illume by logging in with SSH and doing > > opkg remove paroli-autostart > rm -rf /home/root/.e > reboot > Similarly, I flashed with fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2. I think the end result is about the same except for a reflash. Thanks for the suggestion. > You should then get the illume launcher on next boot and be able to ... > > Second a bit of a rant: > > I have to say that I am extremely disappointed in this decision to > prevent users from using the functionality of their phone. Why would > anyone want to purchase a piece of hardware with as much promise as the > freerunner and not be able to use it for anything but what a sub $50 > dollar phone has been able to do for years? It just doesn't make sense > to me when it seems so easy to shrink paroli down a little bit and use > illume. I have wondered for some time about why Paroli was duplicating > functionality from illume. (e.g. the Battery level) Now I understand and > I am flabbergasted. Yes I do want stable phone functionality but not at > the expense of all other functionality. > > Scott Petersen You've voiced close to my own sentiments. digger -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Kurppa wrote: > (cc:d the authors of some broken packages I was able to extract the > e-mail address from..) > > Hi! > > If you have packaged some of the apps listed below, I just want to let > you know that the package in opkg.org is broken and not recognized as > an installable file > (to try this, download the packages from opkg.org and run file > package.ipk - it should return Debian Binary but for the ones listed > below, it returns data/empty or gzip) Another type of breakage I've seen is this one (data and control archives in wrong order): $ ar tv fluid_0.0+svn20070817-r2_armv4t_eabi.ipk rw-r--r-- 1000/1000 4 Aug 17 02:28 2007 debian-binary rw-r--r-- 1000/1000 45830 Aug 17 02:28 2007 data.tar.gz rw-r--r-- 1000/1000 411 Aug 17 02:28 2007 control.tar.gz While this seems to work fine with the Debian tools, it would be preferable to fix the tool which builds the packages that way. Packages broken this way can be fixed like this: $ cd empty_directory $ ar xov broken_package.ipk $ rm broken_package.ipk $ ar qcv broken_package.ipk debian-binary control.tar.gz data.tar.gz $ rm debian-binary control.tar.gz data.tar.gz > > GZIP > > yphonekitd_0.4.3_any.ipk > > zomg_0.0.6-r2_armv4t.ipk [snip] They might be gzipped tar archives. An example case I came across: $ cd empty_directory $ tar -zxf pingus_0.7.2-r0_armv4t_DolfFix.ipk $ rm pingus_0.7.2-r0_armv4t_DolfFix.ipk $ ar qcv pingus_0.7.2-r0_armv4t_DolfFix.ipk debian-binary control.tar.gz data.tar.gz $ rm debian-binary control.tar.gz data.tar.gz -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year From rask at sygehus.dk Sun Mar 8 20:00:29 2009 From: rask at sygehus.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:00:29 +0100 Subject: Troubles with opkg.org repo In-Reply-To: <c404cf860903070009o55bc9ee7rc65888b6d56afcd@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B0F1AB.5050101@users.sourceforge.net> <d3e504410903061309m2c23176agc37880936126f6c@mail.gmail.com> <49B22B61.5000107@gmail.com> <c404cf860903070009o55bc9ee7rc65888b6d56afcd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090308190029.GU3078@sygehus.dk> On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 09:09:15AM +0100, Tobias K?ndig wrote: > This is a little summary of what I do: http://www.opkg.org/repo.html Debian has this tool called dpkg-scanpackages in the dpkg-dev package. It might simplify your create_repo script. Example usage: $ cat updateindex #!/bin/sh ( dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null \ ; dpkg-scanpackages -t opk . /dev/null \ ; dpkg-scanpackages -t ipk . /dev/null ) \ | sed -e 's_^Filename: ./_Filename: _' \ | gzip --best >Packages.gz -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year From neil at ossau.uklinux.net Sun Mar 8 20:03:17 2009 From: neil at ossau.uklinux.net (Neil Jerram) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:03:17 +0000 Subject: How to use other applications with Paroli fullscreen? In-Reply-To: <1236537647.30790.172.camel@judy> (digger vermont's message of "Sun\, 08 Mar 2009 14\:40\:47 -0400") References: <1236380533.7890.15.camel@judy> <49B1F444.2070409@openmoko.com> <1236537647.30790.172.camel@judy> Message-ID: <87sklnu9ai.fsf@arudy.ossau.uklinux.net> digger vermont <dv_mlist at verizon.net> writes: > I find the decision frustrating. I guess I don't see why Illume and > Paroli are at such odds. With Paroli's current direction it seems to > mean that if I want to help develop Paroli, as it is meant to be used, I > must give up using the FreeRunner for anything else. By isolating > Paroli in that way it may have the effect of even more fragmentation of > community resources and less people joining in on its development. I'll > tell you, it makes me feel less enthusiastic. I agree. I haven't commented on this before, because I didn't want to be purely negative; but if others are feeling the same way, perhaps it's worth adding my voice. To be honest, my heart fell when I read the very beginning of the Paroli website: "In a few words one could say: paroli is a new approach to application development on the openmoko phones." My reaction to that? "Good grief, that's exactly what we DON'T need." In other words, a new approach is exactly what we don't need - and especially a new approach that shuts out all previous approaches. What we need, in my opinion, is the hard work - in terms of QA, usability, and bugfixing - of polishing what is already out there; not reinventing the wheel again from scratch. Frankly, anyone can start a new approach; that's easy. The hard part is finally getting to an actual product. To make a constructive suggestion: I wonder what the official Openmoko view is of SHR Testing? I think it's pretty good, so - why not help to polish that? - if not, what _precise_ reasons do OM have for believing that the Paroli route will produce (in the near future) something better than SHR? Regards, Neil From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 20:11:29 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:11:29 +0100 Subject: How to use other applications with Paroli fullscreen? In-Reply-To: <87sklnu9ai.fsf@arudy.ossau.uklinux.net> References: <1236380533.7890.15.camel@judy> <49B1F444.2070409@openmoko.com> <1236537647.30790.172.camel@judy> <87sklnu9ai.fsf@arudy.ossau.uklinux.net> Message-ID: <c30e08170903081211o10425110k97452058a420a54e@mail.gmail.com> > To make a constructive suggestion: I wonder what the official Openmoko > view is of SHR Testing? I think it's pretty good, so > > - why not help to polish that? > > - if not, what _precise_ reasons do OM have for believing that the > Paroli route will produce (in the near future) something better than > SHR? I'm glad Openmoko is away from SHR - their designers has very strange ideas and points of view... If you don't know about what I'm talking - ask raster ;) From david.moko.comunity at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 20:14:36 2009 From: david.moko.comunity at gmail.com (Mile Davidovic) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:14:36 +0100 Subject: Newbie questions Message-ID: <9f2f0e730903081214m57f9d115wc73ae46ef4f38130@mail.gmail.com> Hello I would like to start developing application which should use CSD (datacall) capability of GTA02 phone. As I am new in this please help me with following: On http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions <http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions>page I have read a lot of info regarding various distro (OM 2008.12, FSO, FDOM, QtExt, Android ...). If I want to use GTA02 as every day phone which distro I should chose? According to table on same page Qt Extended is most mature, but I do not see any information about OM 2008.12? My second questions is regarding status of CSD, according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd CSD is not supported. 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Could you explain more why it's not working/what is not working or what gps.py actually does to talk to gpsd. One problem you might encounter is that ogpsd and fso-gpsd only switch on the GPS when there's actually a program that needs GPS. In the case of fso-gpsd that happens when you connect to the gpsd port. My guess is that the connection is either made at the constructor (g = gps.gps()) or for every call (g.query("admosy")). At this point the chip will not have any fix for sure, even with hotstart working it usually takes ~16 seconds. What you can do to test my hypothesis is start a different program like the GPS view in zhone and wait until GPS actually has a fix and then try with your program. If you get a fix then you can request the resource GPS to make sure GPS stays on. > So you have 2 solutions: > 1)replace fso-gpsd by gpsd > 2)use dbus to talk to the GPS 3)Make fso-gpsd compatible with gpsd so gps.py works. 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As for speed, displaying/hiding the keyboard is quicker than displaying/hiding the default keyboard, since the application window is not resized (which is usually quite slow). I wrote a small howto about it, it's (together with screenshots) here: http://kedrigern.dcs.fmph.uniba.sk/~riso/Openmoko/qwo/ Actually, to get it work, I had to fix some bugs/annoying features of Xglamo. I reported these (together with patches) as ticket #2242 and #2243 at docs.openmoko.org about one week ago. Unfortunately, I got no answer regarding these patches. Would it be possible to accept them to the openembedded repository and close the tickets? Next, I had to force illume not to resize the running application when displaying keyboard, and also not to force the width of the keyboard to be equal to the width of the screen. Currently, I have only very ugly hack to do this and I am not quite sure how to do it right. I am thinking of making illume look for the _NET_WM_WINDOW_OPACITY property on external keyboards, and behave in above-described way if this property is set. Would this be acceptable for including upstream? Greets Richard From fercerpav at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 20:44:07 2009 From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:44:07 +0300 Subject: How to use other applications with Paroli fullscreen? In-Reply-To: <c30e08170903081211o10425110k97452058a420a54e@mail.gmail.com> (Johny Tenfinger's message of "Sun\, 8 Mar 2009 20\:11\:29 +0100") References: <1236380533.7890.15.camel@judy> <49B1F444.2070409@openmoko.com> <1236537647.30790.172.camel@judy> <87sklnu9ai.fsf@arudy.ossau.uklinux.net> <c30e08170903081211o10425110k97452058a420a54e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <m2zlfv4x6g.fsf@home.pavel.comp> Johny Tenfinger <seba.dos1 at gmail.com> writes: >> To make a constructive suggestion: I wonder what the official Openmoko >> view is of SHR Testing? I think it's pretty good, so >> >> - why not help to polish that? >> >> - if not, what _precise_ reasons do OM have for believing that the >> Paroli route will produce (in the near future) something better than >> SHR? > > I'm glad Openmoko is away from SHR - their designers has very strange > ideas and points of view... If you don't know about what I'm talking - > ask raster ;) Among their properties is also a complete lack of transparency: i don't remember anyone from the community has ever seen any public document or mail (not even talking about IRC discussion) from them. The main UI design decisions weren't put clearly or discussed in public ever before actual implementation existed. Also their goals are completely unknown, given it's quite possible they're aiming for GTA03's capacitive TS they might design an interface largely inadequate for the FreeRunner and GTA01. So, if behind the UI design decisions are the same people who abused Raster, we'd better forget about Paroli and improve SHR for good. IMHO -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com From daniel at openmoko.org Sun Mar 8 20:46:57 2009 From: daniel at openmoko.org (Daniel Willmann) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:46:57 +0100 Subject: AGPS question In-Reply-To: <815cb1720903041133k23a00f65j46eb0f7e8349e99@mail.gmail.com> References: <815cb1720902150314q474ff526rcc4d133ed751e03d@mail.gmail.com> <20090215151759.GM3078@sygehus.dk> <815cb1720903041133k23a00f65j46eb0f7e8349e99@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090308204657.0c092414@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 20:33:15 +0100 Leonti Bielski <prishelec at gmail.com> wrote: > In agps package for u-blox you have to provide approximate location of > your phone and radius (for example 150 kms). > What does it change? If I provide some longitude and latitude and set > some huge radius will it affect anything? > Is it possible to eliminate it at all? The GPS chip can only search for a limited number of SVs in parallel (the new ublox5 chips comes with a one million correlators which more or less allows it to search for all SVs in parallel) so in order to know which SVs should be in view it needs: 1) Current time 2) approx. position of the GPS device 3) Almanac (coarse orbit information) of the SVs > My brother has N95 with Agps and he does not have to provide his > location while using agps service. Cellhunter http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CellHunter tries to collect GSM cell locations by making a game of it. After we have sufficient coverage it will be possible to use that for initial position or even for an approximate location in areas where GPS doesn't work. Regards, Daniel Willmann -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090308/c6d1c0f6/attachment.pgp From kimaidou at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 20:49:27 2009 From: kimaidou at gmail.com (kimaidou) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:49:27 +0100 Subject: Transparent keyboard in illume In-Reply-To: <49B41F29.30802@om.ksp.sk> References: <49B41F29.30802@om.ksp.sk> Message-ID: <40cd9ce40903081249t317865bbm70fae9da4ea41991@mail.gmail.com> Waou, THIS IS GREAT ! I am very happy to find someone with the same will, but skilled ! For me, qwo is also the fastest keyboard, and making it fullscreen + transparent will make it the killer keyboard. Congratulation for sharing your method. I will try it asap. Kimaidou 2009/3/8 Richard Kralovic <riso at om.ksp.sk> > Hello, > > despite some skepticism about having transparent keyboard in illume, I > decided to try it. After some work, I got it working. More precisely, I > am using the qwo external keyboard (an implementation of quikwriting > technique); imho it's great with stylus, and also quite finger-friendly > when the keyboard is large enough. I think it's quite usable. As for > speed, displaying/hiding the keyboard is quicker than displaying/hiding > the default keyboard, since the application window is not resized (which > is usually quite slow). > > I wrote a small howto about it, it's (together with screenshots) here: > http://kedrigern.dcs.fmph.uniba.sk/~riso/Openmoko/qwo/<http://kedrigern.dcs.fmph.uniba.sk/%7Eriso/Openmoko/qwo/> > > Actually, to get it work, I had to fix some bugs/annoying features of > Xglamo. I reported these (together with patches) as ticket #2242 and > #2243 at docs.openmoko.org about one week ago. Unfortunately, I got no > answer regarding these patches. Would it be possible to accept them to > the openembedded repository and close the tickets? > > Next, I had to force illume not to resize the running application when > displaying keyboard, and also not to force the width of the keyboard to > be equal to the width of the screen. Currently, I have only very ugly > hack to do this and I am not quite sure how to do it right. I am > thinking of making illume look for the _NET_WM_WINDOW_OPACITY property > on external keyboards, and behave in above-described way if this > property is set. Would this be acceptable for including upstream? > > Greets > Richard > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090308/dd30a190/attachment.htm From risto at kurppa.fi Sun Mar 8 20:53:23 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:53:23 +0200 Subject: Kustomizer for 2008.12 In-Reply-To: <1236523321817-2444676.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <d3e504410902020516w7029be3aq7929e8f6ac69a81e@mail.gmail.com> <1236474324434-2442920.post@n2.nabble.com> <d3e504410903080414t7daaa7bfk8b4a97ccf6f9221f@mail.gmail.com> <1236517225503-2444341.post@n2.nabble.com> <d3e504410903080641p5f9afe42lb937e91760a77e12@mail.gmail.com> <1236520857387-2444552.post@n2.nabble.com> <d3e504410903080710s5e36cae9j38845697e8aff03@mail.gmail.com> <1236523321817-2444676.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <d3e504410903081253n40bc5906if1d56b391d0a520c@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 4:42 PM, xChris <chris at c-64.mobi> wrote: > > Hi, > > its the: > > # Version 0.35 - 2009-02-20 OK, thanks. I'll have a look what's wrong there and if it's fixed in the devel version.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From rask at sygehus.dk Sun Mar 8 20:55:36 2009 From: rask at sygehus.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:55:36 +0100 Subject: Open IPKG packages from command line In-Reply-To: <499A7EF6.7090003@spernj.org> References: <499A7EF6.7090003@spernj.org> Message-ID: <20090308195527.GW3078@sygehus.dk> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:10:14AM +0100, Kasper Johansen wrote: > Hi list. > > Is it possible to extract a IPK-package (some_package.ipk)? I do not > want to install anything - just inspect the package on my Ubuntu-machine. man dpkg-deb > I have been able to extract some packages by using "tar -zxvf" after > renaming the extension to tar.gz - though I cant with all packages (and > I dont know why). Because they are not supposed to be gzipped tar archives. The ones you can extract with "tar -zxvf" are broken. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year From yorickmoko at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 21:16:25 2009 From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:16:25 +0100 Subject: Transparent keyboard in illume In-Reply-To: <40cd9ce40903081249t317865bbm70fae9da4ea41991@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B41F29.30802@om.ksp.sk> <40cd9ce40903081249t317865bbm70fae9da4ea41991@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26fea52c0903081316p74ff3241l184b12ff35c71eb3@mail.gmail.com> might be a stupid question, but any plans on making a transparent large "normal" keyboard? btw: it seems great! y On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 8:49 PM, kimaidou <kimaidou at gmail.com> wrote: > Waou, THIS IS GREAT ! I am very happy to find someone with the same will, > but skilled ! For me, qwo is also the fastest keyboard, and making it > fullscreen + transparent will make it the killer keyboard. Congratulation > for sharing your method. I will try it asap. > > Kimaidou > > 2009/3/8 Richard Kralovic <riso at om.ksp.sk> >> >> Hello, >> >> despite some skepticism about having transparent keyboard in illume, I >> decided to try it. After some work, I got it working. More precisely, I >> am using the qwo external keyboard (an implementation of quikwriting >> technique); imho it's great with stylus, and also quite finger-friendly >> when the keyboard is large enough. I think it's quite usable. As for >> speed, displaying/hiding the keyboard is quicker than displaying/hiding >> the default keyboard, since the application window is not resized (which >> is usually quite slow). >> >> I wrote a small howto about it, it's (together with screenshots) here: >> http://kedrigern.dcs.fmph.uniba.sk/~riso/Openmoko/qwo/ >> >> Actually, to get it work, I had to fix some bugs/annoying features of >> Xglamo. I reported these (together with patches) as ticket #2242 and >> #2243 at docs.openmoko.org about one week ago. Unfortunately, I got no >> answer regarding these patches. Would it be possible to accept them to >> the openembedded repository and close the tickets? >> >> Next, I had to force illume not to resize the running application when >> displaying keyboard, and also not to force the width of the keyboard to >> be equal to the width of the screen. Currently, I have only very ugly >> hack to do this and I am not quite sure how to do it right. I am >> thinking of making illume look for the _NET_WM_WINDOW_OPACITY property >> on external keyboards, and behave in above-described way if this >> property is set. Would this be acceptable for including upstream? >> >> Greets >> ? ? ? ?Richard >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 21:39:06 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:39:06 -0500 Subject: Transparent keyboard in illume In-Reply-To: <26fea52c0903081316p74ff3241l184b12ff35c71eb3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B41F29.30802@om.ksp.sk> <40cd9ce40903081249t317865bbm70fae9da4ea41991@mail.gmail.com> <26fea52c0903081316p74ff3241l184b12ff35c71eb3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <ffce06340903081339s11233f44scf8396e0cc9f386f@mail.gmail.com> Any way we can get a package for this? I can't compile for my FR. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090308/fa9879ec/attachment.htm From riso at om.ksp.sk Sun Mar 8 21:40:32 2009 From: riso at om.ksp.sk (Richard Kralovic) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:40:32 +0100 Subject: Transparent keyboard in illume In-Reply-To: <26fea52c0903081316p74ff3241l184b12ff35c71eb3@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B41F29.30802@om.ksp.sk> <40cd9ce40903081249t317865bbm70fae9da4ea41991@mail.gmail.com> <26fea52c0903081316p74ff3241l184b12ff35c71eb3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B42D40.3000705@om.ksp.sk> > but any plans on making a transparent large "normal" keyboard? > btw: it seems great! Actually, it is quite easy to make the default illume keyboard transparent. It should work with the same method as for qwo, except that you need to revert the first hunk of e-wm-hack.patch, i.e., illume had to set the width of keyboard to be equal to the width of the screen. Afterwards, you can use the transset utility (I just added it to my webpage) to change the transparency of the keyboard (and also transparency of any other window). Surely, this is very rough and for normal usage some decent support in illume would be nice. But I guess this should be discussed with Raster... Richard > > y > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 8:49 PM, kimaidou <kimaidou at gmail.com> wrote: >> Waou, THIS IS GREAT ! I am very happy to find someone with the same will, >> but skilled ! For me, qwo is also the fastest keyboard, and making it >> fullscreen + transparent will make it the killer keyboard. Congratulation >> for sharing your method. I will try it asap. >> >> Kimaidou >> >> 2009/3/8 Richard Kralovic <riso at om.ksp.sk> >>> Hello, >>> >>> despite some skepticism about having transparent keyboard in illume, I >>> decided to try it. After some work, I got it working. More precisely, I >>> am using the qwo external keyboard (an implementation of quikwriting >>> technique); imho it's great with stylus, and also quite finger-friendly >>> when the keyboard is large enough. I think it's quite usable. As for >>> speed, displaying/hiding the keyboard is quicker than displaying/hiding >>> the default keyboard, since the application window is not resized (which >>> is usually quite slow). >>> >>> I wrote a small howto about it, it's (together with screenshots) here: >>> http://kedrigern.dcs.fmph.uniba.sk/~riso/Openmoko/qwo/ >>> >>> Actually, to get it work, I had to fix some bugs/annoying features of >>> Xglamo. I reported these (together with patches) as ticket #2242 and >>> #2243 at docs.openmoko.org about one week ago. Unfortunately, I got no >>> answer regarding these patches. Would it be possible to accept them to >>> the openembedded repository and close the tickets? >>> >>> Next, I had to force illume not to resize the running application when >>> displaying keyboard, and also not to force the width of the keyboard to >>> be equal to the width of the screen. Currently, I have only very ugly >>> hack to do this and I am not quite sure how to do it right. I am >>> thinking of making illume look for the _NET_WM_WINDOW_OPACITY property >>> on external keyboards, and behave in above-described way if this >>> property is set. Would this be acceptable for including upstream? >>> >>> Greets >>> Richard >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Openmoko community mailing list >>> community at lists.openmoko.org >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From rask at sygehus.dk Sun Mar 8 21:42:07 2009 From: rask at sygehus.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:42:07 +0100 Subject: Bass fix (Was: Pulster fixe(s) and rework) In-Reply-To: <49AFBDD6.8070705@hist.no> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <49AE62D0.8070105@hist.no> <200903041427.12578.joerg@openmoko.org> <5c6ceea80903040858q22f1363bk5b2578ea8759416e@mail.gmail.com> <49AFBDD6.8070705@hist.no> Message-ID: <20090308204206.GX3078@sygehus.dk> On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 12:56:06PM +0100, Helge Hafting wrote: > > Another question - is a single big capacitor enough, if it is put into > the ground line instead of having one cap for each of the stereo > channels? Or will that wreck stereo sound? One could then use a even > bigger cap. I think it won't solve the problem of DC through the speakers. Think of the case where the left output is at 0 V and the right output is at 3 V. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year From jeffrey.ratcliffe at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 21:44:22 2009 From: jeffrey.ratcliffe at gmail.com (Jeffrey Ratcliffe) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:44:22 +0100 Subject: [debian] Illume won't show any icons In-Reply-To: <200903080955.23648.mok@mnet-online.de> References: <30e395780903071656v3df18f4ex495fbdd96776f2a3@mail.gmail.com> <200903080955.23648.mok@mnet-online.de> Message-ID: <30e395780903081344n5da0e696hac4f619bb5ee8cbd@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/8 Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann <mok at mnet-online.de>: > don't know for debian... we had missing icons because of not installed e-wm- > utils... Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be e-wm-utils package for Debian. Anyone else got any ideas? Regards Jeff From riso at om.ksp.sk Sun Mar 8 21:45:00 2009 From: riso at om.ksp.sk (Richard Kralovic) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:45:00 +0100 Subject: Transparent keyboard in illume In-Reply-To: <ffce06340903081339s11233f44scf8396e0cc9f386f@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B41F29.30802@om.ksp.sk> <40cd9ce40903081249t317865bbm70fae9da4ea41991@mail.gmail.com> <26fea52c0903081316p74ff3241l184b12ff35c71eb3@mail.gmail.com> <ffce06340903081339s11233f44scf8396e0cc9f386f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B42E4C.7050503@om.ksp.sk> > Any way we can get a package for this? I can't compile for my FR. All binary packages that I have built are available at the howto page: http://kedrigern.dcs.fmph.uniba.sk/~riso/Openmoko/qwo/ If you are using FSO milestone 5, they should work. If you are using different distribution, they _might_ work, but they might break your system as well, so use on your own risk. I have only a compile environment set up for FSO, so I can not easily provide other packages just now... Richard > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From fercerpav at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 21:49:35 2009 From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:49:35 +0300 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) and rework In-Reply-To: <49B406B1.30601@openmoko.com> (Andy Green's message of "Sun\, 08 Mar 2009 17\:56\:01 +0000") References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <5c6ceea80903040858q22f1363bk5b2578ea8759416e@mail.gmail.com> <49AFBDD6.8070705@hist.no> <200903081746.10621.joerg@openmoko.org> <49B406B1.30601@openmoko.com> Message-ID: <m2vdqj4u5c.fsf@home.pavel.comp> Andy Green <andy at openmoko.com> writes: > Somebody in the thread at some point said: > | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix > > Yes it's a different way to come at it. > > The way I documented you keep the leads short, the components are all in > the can and the can is unchanged, but you're limited to 22uF or > maybe 47uF. Reworked the page, included your fix and description as well. Thanks! -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com From jeffrey.ratcliffe at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 21:49:41 2009 From: jeffrey.ratcliffe at gmail.com (Jeffrey Ratcliffe) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:49:41 +0100 Subject: [debian/illume] Can't suspend Message-ID: <30e395780903081349m5f3ff62dqcb9ea61ef98d8f4b@mail.gmail.com> When I press the power button, I get a group of icons, one of which is a crescent, which if I press, I get a message saying that it is going to suspend, but the doesn't. I'm using the 2.6.28 kernel. How can I get it to suspend? Another icon is a padlock. If I press that, the screen is locked, but I can't get a keyboard up to unlock it. The close application and shutdown buttons work fine. Regards Jeff From risto at kurppa.fi Sun Mar 8 21:54:31 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 22:54:31 +0200 Subject: Open IPKG packages from command line In-Reply-To: <20090308195527.GW3078@sygehus.dk> References: <499A7EF6.7090003@spernj.org> <20090308195527.GW3078@sygehus.dk> Message-ID: <d3e504410903081354k6d3f6919o82813882eb054089@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen <rask at sygehus.dk> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:10:14AM +0100, Kasper Johansen wrote: >> Hi list. >> >> Is it possible to extract a IPK-package (some_package.ipk)? I do not >> want to install anything - just inspect the package on my Ubuntu-machine. > > ? man dpkg-deb try ar x file.ipk r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From mok at mnet-online.de Sun Mar 8 22:01:37 2009 From: mok at mnet-online.de (Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 22:01:37 +0100 Subject: [debian] Illume won't show any icons In-Reply-To: <30e395780903081344n5da0e696hac4f619bb5ee8cbd@mail.gmail.com> References: <30e395780903071656v3df18f4ex495fbdd96776f2a3@mail.gmail.com> <200903080955.23648.mok@mnet-online.de> <30e395780903081344n5da0e696hac4f619bb5ee8cbd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903082201.38033.mok@mnet-online.de> Am Sonntag 08 M?rz 2009 21:44:22 schrieb Jeffrey Ratcliffe: > 2009/3/8 Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann <mok at mnet-online.de>: > > don't know for debian... we had missing icons because of not installed > > e-wm- utils... > > Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be e-wm-utils package for Debian. check if you have those files: /usr/lib/enlightenment/utils/enlightenment_thumb /usr/lib/enlightenment/utils/enlightenment_fm /usr/lib/enlightenment/utils/enlightenment_sys /usr/lib/enlightenment/utils/enlightenment_fm_op /usr/lib/enlightenment/utils/enlightenment_init in debian they may be packaged differently... different name or included in the main e-wm package... > Anyone else got any ideas? the issue we had with icons today was a missing /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu file... if you don't have it, you can get it from build.shr-project.org/applications.menu > > Regards > > Jeff Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann From rask at sygehus.dk Sun Mar 8 22:09:28 2009 From: rask at sygehus.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 22:09:28 +0100 Subject: USB headset detection (Was: Pulster fixe(s) and rework) In-Reply-To: <49B0ED10.70405@hist.no> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <49AE62D0.8070105@hist.no> <200903041427.12578.joerg@openmoko.org> <5c6ceea80903040858q22f1363bk5b2578ea8759416e@mail.gmail.com> <49AFBDD6.8070705@hist.no> <jwvy6vjx57l.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> <87y6vjfe5h.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <49B0ED10.70405@hist.no> Message-ID: <20090308210928.GY3078@sygehus.dk> On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 10:29:52AM +0100, Helge Hafting wrote: > Esben Stien wrote: > > Stefan Monnier <monnier at iro.umontreal.ca> writes: > > > >> (if I could use it as an MP3 player, I'd carry it with me that much > >> more often > > > > Until a fix, you can plug in a USB headset;). > > Won't that rule out simultanous charging with the usb car charger? https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#How_to_make_a_USB_cable_for_powering_attached_USB_devices_and_charging_the_Neo_while_in_host_mode_.28aka_Y-Cable.29 > Anyway, some setup will be necessary, right? A usb headset headset will > be a completely new sound device. Can the phone detect it when it gets > plugged in, and then do all the configuration? So the sound player will > "just work" Or will we have to go into the settings and change between > host and device mode each time the phone is switched between usb headset > and pc connection? :-/ 1. Charger (maybe with Y-cable) connected. Detected by 47 kOhm seen on ID pin. Set USB mode to host and turn off USB power supply. 2. USB headset connected. Detected by ? Set USB mode to host and turn on USB power supply. 3. USB host connected. Detected by ? Set USB mode to device and turn off USB power supply. As to automatically rerouting the audio on USB headset insertion and removal, see pulseaudio. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year From andy at openmoko.com Sun Mar 8 22:18:35 2009 From: andy at openmoko.com (Andy Green) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:18:35 +0000 Subject: USB headset detection (Was: Pulster fixe(s) and rework) In-Reply-To: <20090308210928.GY3078@sygehus.dk> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <49AE62D0.8070105@hist.no> <200903041427.12578.joerg@openmoko.org> <5c6ceea80903040858q22f1363bk5b2578ea8759416e@mail.gmail.com> <49AFBDD6.8070705@hist.no> <jwvy6vjx57l.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> <87y6vjfe5h.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name> <49B0ED10.70405@hist.no> <20090308210928.GY3078@sygehus.dk> Message-ID: <49B4362B.9020901@openmoko.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | 1. Charger (maybe with Y-cable) connected. Detected by 47 kOhm seen on ID | pin. Set USB mode to host and turn off USB power supply. | | 2. USB headset connected. Detected by ? Set USB mode to host and turn on | USB power supply. | | 3. USB host connected. Detected by ? Set USB mode to device and turn off | USB power supply. "?" here is meant to be ID pin level. But we don't supply a USB device breakout cable which would consistently do the right thing to ID, so it means we can't make decisions based on ID level like a normal OTG setup. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkm0NisACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpSPwCeMHIFKbzqruGjaCTn2QKGsHGi hvoAn2Q8/UhvEPS+v/1QB0s6U/W2rNdO =Jqjb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From frobiac at googlemail.com Sun Mar 8 22:53:19 2009 From: frobiac at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Fr=F6be?=) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 22:53:19 +0100 Subject: [debian/illume] Can't suspend In-Reply-To: <30e395780903081349m5f3ff62dqcb9ea61ef98d8f4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <30e395780903081349m5f3ff62dqcb9ea61ef98d8f4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <58a51a770903081453n6ec597damb89ff66697b0585a@mail.gmail.com> Hi, On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Jeffrey Ratcliffe < jeffrey.ratcliffe at gmail.com> wrote: > When I press the power button, I get a group of icons, one of which is > a crescent, which if I press, I get a message saying that it is going > to suspend, but the doesn't. > > I'm using the 2.6.28 kernel. > > How can I get it to suspend? > > Another icon is a padlock. If I press that, the screen is locked, but > I can't get a keyboard up to unlock it. > > The close application and shutdown buttons work fine. I'm using FSO 5.1, so I don't know how it applies to debian exactly ( and suspend on powerbutton press worked directly and much more quickly through a rule in /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml ) But in order to map more functions to that precious button, I edited /etc/enlightenment/sysactions.conf to map suspend icon click to a custom script : action: suspend /media/DATA/bin/fso_suspend.sh which contains the fso command to suspend : mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.Suspend While being significantly slower it works fine that way. Don't know if this helps, but maybe a start ... Stefan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I got that once, but usually I have about 16s TTFF. > I also raised pacc from 3km to 9km, as I often enough travel a bit > more than 3km with the gps unit off. I'm interested to hear how that affects TTFF. The way I understand it initial position is only used to calculate which SVs are in view so the chip knows which SVs to search for. So a pacc of 3km or 9km shouldn't have any noticable effect. This is just guesswork though, so any results on your part would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Daniel Willmann -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Okay, so what you're saying is that this commit http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=commitdiff;h=ad2ec48cdb5ab9bdddc15adfc05cbd2e5b8a2cee doesn't fix the situation for you? If that is the case could you please send me the ALM/EPH messages that you get when the chip crashes so I can take a look at it? Regards, Daniel Willmann -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090309/7cc38cb2/attachment.pgp From chris at c-64.mobi Mon Mar 9 00:35:18 2009 From: chris at c-64.mobi (xChris) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Poky Message-ID: <1236555318380-2446608.post@n2.nabble.com> I just tried the Poky [1] on the Freerunner... I like it because its fast, unfortunately a lot of things are missing (phone, battery management, etc) Is it possible to install packages from the opkg (for example), or run paroli on Poky? rgrds chris [1] http://www.pokylinux.org/ -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Poky-tp2446608p2446608.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From daniel at openmoko.org Mon Mar 9 00:42:13 2009 From: daniel at openmoko.org (Daniel Willmann) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 00:42:13 +0100 Subject: [Cellhunter] no neighbouring cells In-Reply-To: <815cb1720903060912i4d729cd8xaa1f563f13f91e03@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B15319.4020402@users.sourceforge.net> <1236358324.10602.218.camel@andromeda> <49B15689.9060204@users.sourceforge.net> <815cb1720903060912i4d729cd8xaa1f563f13f91e03@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090309004213.25b2a789@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:12:50 +0100 Leonti Bielski <prishelec at gmail.com> wrote: > So the problem is in FSO? > Why then I get neighbouring cells in zhone and not in Cellhunter? > That kinda excludes problem in framework. No, frameworkd is the problem in that case. Zhone uses the DBus API to get neighbouring cells while cellhunter prior to that patch used the debug interface to send a special AT command to the modem (which is what the neighbouring cell DBus API does anyway). 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090309/e3406cfe/attachment.pgp From rask at sygehus.dk Mon Mar 9 01:39:52 2009 From: rask at sygehus.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:39:52 +0100 Subject: Flashing GSM firmware In-Reply-To: <m2ljrk5t3f.fsf@home.pavel.comp> References: <mailman.1211.1235360901.15778.community@lists.openmoko.org> <E805C680-2DE8-4BD9-9B12-5E3954A1E727@roadknightlabs.com> <m2ljrk5t3f.fsf@home.pavel.comp> Message-ID: <20090309003951.GZ3078@sygehus.dk> On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 10:25:40AM +0300, Paul Fertser wrote: > > All this steps except starting fluid.exe are not strictly necessary > and i'd recommend to start fluid like that: > > FLUID_PORT=/dev/ttySAC0 fluid.exe -oo -od13,13 -f <path_to_moko11_bin> > > Notice i use ROM bootloader and moko11 firmware. I flashed the moko11 GSM firmware today and found the same thing: -oo without FLUID_FLOWCONTROL works. I couldn't not get any of the other combinations to work. I first backed up the old firmware, then flashed the new one: # time FLUID_PORT=/dev/ttySAC0 fluid.exe -oo -r 0x00000000..0x00400000 -f ~rask/download/firmware/calypso-firmware-backup.m0 (real 6m28.286s user 0m11.200s sys 0m4.315s) # time FLUID_PORT=/dev/ttySAC0 fluid.exe -oo -f ~rask/download/firmware/calypso-moko11.m0 (real 2m56.764s user 0m16.070s sys 0m0.990s) I did need two power off/on cycles between the two fluid invocations, though. I did not use "s3c24xx-gpio b7=0" as according to the schematics, pin GPIOB7 is just the MODEM_ON signal. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year From monnier at iro.umontreal.ca Mon Mar 9 02:12:11 2009 From: monnier at iro.umontreal.ca (Stefan Monnier) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:12:11 -0400 Subject: Open IPKG packages from command line References: <499A7EF6.7090003@spernj.org> Message-ID: <jwvvdqjh57v.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> > I have been able to extract some packages by using "tar -zxvf" after > renaming the extension to tar.gz - though I cant with all packages (and > I dont know why). Try it with `file': it will usually tell you what kind of file you're looking at. `ipkg' packages have used various formats over time, the ones I remember are .tar.gz and ar. In bith cases, the content is a few meta files plus a .tar.gz (so you stupidly get double compression if the outer wrapper is .tar.gz). Stefan From robin.paulson at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 03:25:45 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 15:25:45 +1300 Subject: Newbie questions In-Reply-To: <9f2f0e730903081214m57f9d115wc73ae46ef4f38130@mail.gmail.com> References: <9f2f0e730903081214m57f9d115wc73ae46ef4f38130@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770903081925w6ccb7fednd5c94ce8215b2411@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/9 Mile Davidovic <david.moko.comunity at gmail.com>: > As I am new in this please help me with following: > On?http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions?page I have read a lot of > info regarding various distro (OM 2008.12, FSO, FDOM, QtExt, Android ...). > ??If I want to use GTA02 as every day phone which distro I should chose? > ??According to table on same page Qt Extended is most mature, but I do not > see any information about OM 2008.12? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Om_series qt ext is very stable and usable, but because it uses framebuffer, not x11, there are limited applications that can run on it, unless you use the extremely bodgy x11 hack i was quite pleased with 2008.8, but .12 has been a complete pita for a simple stable phone, i'd start with qt ext and then give shr a go From antisol at internode.on.net Mon Mar 9 06:38:32 2009 From: antisol at internode.on.net (Dale Maggee) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:38:32 +1100 Subject: Newbie questions In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770903081925w6ccb7fednd5c94ce8215b2411@mail.gmail.com> References: <9f2f0e730903081214m57f9d115wc73ae46ef4f38130@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903081925w6ccb7fednd5c94ce8215b2411@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B4AB58.60203@internode.on.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Robin Paulson wrote: > for a simple stable phone, i'd start with qt ext and then give shr a go > For a simple and stable phone, I'd start with a Nokia... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJtKtYFbVnQRV3OEYRArryAJ4j/4THJ8cUjZcRvCKTLPuWAcBJCQCgvXyv yr7jLbCGOIxXXypDQmZA3zw= =AJvZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From risto at kurppa.fi Mon Mar 9 08:08:47 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:08:47 +0200 Subject: Open IPKG packages from command line In-Reply-To: <jwvvdqjh57v.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> References: <499A7EF6.7090003@spernj.org> <jwvvdqjh57v.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> Message-ID: <d3e504410903090008i1ef8af47pd818e152d2811182@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Stefan Monnier <monnier at iro.umontreal.ca> wrote: >> I have been able to extract some packages by using "tar -zxvf" after >> renaming the extension to tar.gz - though I cant with all packages (and >> I dont know why). > > Try it with `file': it will usually tell you what kind of file you're > looking at. ?`ipkg' packages have used various formats over time, the > ones I remember are .tar.gz and ar. ?In bith cases, the content is a few > meta files plus a .tar.gz (so you stupidly get double compression if the > outer wrapper is .tar.gz). AFAIK file should return you a 'debian binary' file format for ipk packages now. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From fercerpav at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 08:12:09 2009 From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:12:09 +0300 Subject: Flashing GSM firmware In-Reply-To: <20090309003951.GZ3078@sygehus.dk> (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen's message of "Mon\, 9 Mar 2009 01\:39\:52 +0100") References: <mailman.1211.1235360901.15778.community@lists.openmoko.org> <E805C680-2DE8-4BD9-9B12-5E3954A1E727@roadknightlabs.com> <m2ljrk5t3f.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <20090309003951.GZ3078@sygehus.dk> Message-ID: <m2r61741bq.fsf@home.pavel.comp> Rask Ingemann Lambertsen <rask at sygehus.dk> writes: > I did need two power off/on cycles between the two fluid invocations, > though. I found by experimentation that with -od13,13 fluid was able to connect to the bootloader every time i tried power-cycling. But yes, without it it's like 1 out of 20 when it fails. > I did not use "s3c24xx-gpio b7=0" as according to the schematics, > pin GPIOB7 is just the MODEM_ON signal. And that MODEM_ON is a push-button (literally). Looks like every time it's "pressed" for like 200ms the modem restarts (or starts if it wasn't powered before). "Pressing" is transition from b7=0 to b7=1. BTW, modem reset line is not connected on GTA02. With any new kernel all that gpio pmu tricks are not necessary anymore (at least on GTA02) as it reliably powers off/on the modem if you use sysfs interface. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com From david.moko.comunity at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 08:42:17 2009 From: david.moko.comunity at gmail.com (Mile Davidovic) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:42:17 +0100 Subject: Newbie questions In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770903081925w6ccb7fednd5c94ce8215b2411@mail.gmail.com> References: <9f2f0e730903081214m57f9d115wc73ae46ef4f38130@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770903081925w6ccb7fednd5c94ce8215b2411@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9f2f0e730903090042q69100b5el69d34afc861a75b9@mail.gmail.com> Hello What about CSD or data call? What is best way to enable CSD functionality? Regards mile On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:25 AM, Robin Paulson <robin.paulson at gmail.com>wrote: > 2009/3/9 Mile Davidovic <david.moko.comunity at gmail.com>: > > As I am new in this please help me with following: > > On http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions page I have read a lot of > > info regarding various distro (OM 2008.12, FSO, FDOM, QtExt, Android > ...). > > If I want to use GTA02 as every day phone which distro I should chose? > > According to table on same page Qt Extended is most mature, but I do > not > > see any information about OM 2008.12? > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Om_series > > qt ext is very stable and usable, but because it uses framebuffer, not > x11, there are limited applications that can run on it, unless you use > the extremely bodgy x11 hack > > i was quite pleased with 2008.8, but .12 has been a complete pita > > for a simple stable phone, i'd start with qt ext and then give shr a go > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kernel is recent Andy tracking with GSM sysfs node > patch created originally by PaulFerster based on my suggestions. then, thank you to all of those people. > MOKO11 was a corporate work involving quite a number of people on IRC, > mainly PaulFerster, Werner, Lindi (iirc), and me. Dieter checked for the > bugs we spotted and fixed them in calypso's FW. that's interesting, i hadn't realised that any people in openmoko had access to the calypso firmware source; i thought the project was still dependent on TI fixing bugs as the community found them. good to hear this is not so, and thanks to those above who are improving it! > The uSD image was entirely created, tested and published by me. > Original idea: roh. then thanks to the both of you, too. one of my showing-off points for the 'moko is the way that custom distributions can be created to do specific, complex tasks; this is a perfect example. and to paul fertser: i happily concede that it's perfectly possible to do the firmware upgrade using the very precise and helpful instructions on the wiki, and thanks for reminding people that this works fine. the attraction of the SD-based method to me was that neither the tools (nor any dependencies they may drag in during the install) have to live on my 'moko in normal operation, with their attendant (though doubtless small) risk of destabilising it; i run the phone environment when it's a phone, and the upgrading environment when it's upgrading the firmware, and ne'er the twain shall meet. thanks to tar (to back the card up before the dd) and fdisk+tar (to restore it after flashing), it doesn't need a spare SD card. also, i have two mokos, and it's quite a time-efficient way to do a bunch of them. as a user, i was given a choice of ways to do a complex but desirable task, and i was able to pick the one that best suited my temperament and situation; i got freedom, is what i got. thank you all for it! -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net From tonyberth at googlemail.com Mon Mar 9 09:22:22 2009 From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:22:22 +0100 Subject: [SHR - Latest unstable] TangoGPS In-Reply-To: <49B15CD4.3080806@crans.org> References: <3494db260903050615h3ab59df1uf2b09e1fc0372562@mail.gmail.com> <49AFED75.4090300@hist.no> <3494db260903050734x502e8c8ar109f889654492be3@mail.gmail.com> <49B0F3E2.6060601@hist.no> <3494db260903060702g6095ae5heac17f0a76e4f927@mail.gmail.com> <49B15CD4.3080806@crans.org> Message-ID: <3494db260903090122s5731fd2ufbbf796bafa89b8a@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Yoann ARNAUD <yarnaud at crans.org> wrote: > Tony Berth a ?crit : > > > which command did you use for that symbolic link? > > ln -s ... > > ("man ln" for arguments) > > -- > Yoann. > > I did that but I get 'operation not permitted' as the Maps are located in my SD card which is FAT32! :( So the only way to make it work is to re-format my SD card? 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URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090309/0e234dd0/attachment.htm From meng.qingyou at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 09:22:23 2009 From: meng.qingyou at gmail.com (mqy) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: thoughts on A-GPS offline In-Reply-To: <20090309000935.7335b548@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> References: <1234833062165-2338403.post@n2.nabble.com> <b1c4d0070902170024j544a9777nc64e8a0f2ff405b6@mail.gmail.com> <1234870139620-2340272.post@n2.nabble.com> <84y6w5qohx.fsf@sauna.l.org> <b1c4d0070902170407j78baa103ye617e095a6adb7e2@mail.gmail.com> <20090301203116.2faeb8a7@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> <20090301203925.GA6714@sxpert.org> <20090301223235.74e907aa@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> <1235946314311-2406454.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090303000849.4bd70b5d@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> <1236091646243-2415564.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090309000935.7335b548@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> Message-ID: <1236586943120-2447874.post@n2.nabble.com> I'm not using ogpsd. The parser is written by I myself. My strategy is to filter out dumped ALM/EPH messages which contain zeros after SV id in payload. Need more tests to verify this can avoid chip crash :) 2009/3/9 Daniel Willmann (via Nabble) <ml-user+51571-985684216 at n2.nabble.com>: > On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:47:26 -0800 (PST) > mqy <meng.qingyou at ...> wrote: > >> >> I've verified the issue on GPS receiver in GTA02: >> >> When dump ALM/EPH messages, in several messages, fields follow SV ID >> field in payload are filled with zeros. > > Okay, so what you're saying is that this commit > http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=commitdiff;h=ad2ec48cdb5ab9bdddc15adfc05cbd2e5b8a2cee > doesn't fix the situation for you? > If that is the case could you please send me the ALM/EPH messages that > you get when the chip crashes so I can take a look at it? > > Regards, > Daniel Willmann > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at ... > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > signature.asc (204 bytes) Download Attachment > > ________________________________ > This email is a reply to your post @ > http://n2.nabble.com/thoughts-on-A-GPS-offline-tp2338403p2446510.html > You can reply by email or by visting the link above. > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/thoughts-on-A-GPS-offline-tp2338403p2447874.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From openmoko at gliders.ch Mon Mar 9 09:33:43 2009 From: openmoko at gliders.ch (Philipp Aeberli) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:33:43 +0100 Subject: Best distro for maemo app porting Message-ID: <1236587623-7ba5450c91f551379b51081f65ce73f7@gliders.ch> Hello, I am not yet familiar with the openmoko. I would like to port an Qt4/X11 application that is running under maemo on the freerunner/openmoko platform. Which distro would you suggest me to use? (I do not need the any of gsm functions of the freerunner) regards Philipp From fred at derf.nl Mon Mar 9 09:41:36 2009 From: fred at derf.nl (Friedrich Clausen) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:41:36 +0100 Subject: How to use other applications with Paroli fullscreen? In-Reply-To: <1236537647.30790.172.camel@judy> References: <1236380533.7890.15.camel@judy> <49B1F444.2070409@openmoko.com> <1236537647.30790.172.camel@judy> Message-ID: <ff5ddf020903090141m6f7bf75agca40c2c128ac0b52@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 7:40 PM, digger vermont <dv_mlist at verizon.net> wrote: >> No you aren't missing anything. Our goal is to provide a distribution >> that allows the user to use the gta02 as a daily phone. In order to >> achieve this faster we decided to make certain sacrifices to save time >> and energy, as our team is only small. One of these was worrying too >> much about integrating in illume. I agree with this sentiment - we need a distribution that allows the gta02 to be a drop-in replacement for a regular phone if we are to see more adoption of Free Software based Openmoko phones. And, yes, the Openmoko has many capabilities beyond what Paroli current offers but this need not be a permanent state of affairs. Besides, a simple user interface is a real asset these days when most other phones have an overwhelming amount of features. > Mirko, thanks for your reply. ?However like Scott Petersen, I > unfortunately feel the need to rant. > > I find the decision frustrating. ?I guess I don't see why Illume and > Paroli are at such odds. ?With Paroli's current direction it seems to > mean that if I want to help develop Paroli, as it is meant to be used, I > must give up using the FreeRunner for anything else. ?By isolating > Paroli in that way it may have the effect of even more fragmentation of > community resources and less people joining in on its development. ?I'll > tell you, it makes me feel less enthusiastic. That is the beauty of the FSO way of doing things - those that want all the bells and whistles can run SHR, Debian or Gentoo on top of FSO and those that want a simple user interface can run Paroli (again, on the FSO platform). Regards, Fred. > > My desire is to be developing on the FreeRunner. ?Paroli seems like a > good way to go. ?I enjoy working with Python, Edje, and now learning > Elementary. ?To that end I have been experimenting with Paroli toward > the goal of integrating "FSO Control"[0] into it. ?Unfortunately the > time when I can do that is sporadic and, due to those constraints, I > can't just plain say, "Yes I will be helping with Paroli." ?So my > frustration is also that I can't commit my own support to any large > degree in an effort to steer Paroli's direction. > > digger > > > [0]There is a new release, version 0.2.0, at > ? https://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=225 > ? I've had problems with opkg.org and haven't had time to make a > ? proper announcement. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > From fred at derf.nl Mon Mar 9 09:44:48 2009 From: fred at derf.nl (Friedrich Clausen) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:44:48 +0100 Subject: How to use other applications with Paroli fullscreen? In-Reply-To: <ff5ddf020903090141m6f7bf75agca40c2c128ac0b52@mail.gmail.com> References: <1236380533.7890.15.camel@judy> <49B1F444.2070409@openmoko.com> <1236537647.30790.172.camel@judy> <ff5ddf020903090141m6f7bf75agca40c2c128ac0b52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <ff5ddf020903090144v644686e1qc3a078c48770824d@mail.gmail.com> >> I find the decision frustrating. ?I guess I don't see why Illume and >> Paroli are at such odds. ?With Paroli's current direction it seems to >> mean that if I want to help develop Paroli, as it is meant to be used, I >> must give up using the FreeRunner for anything else. ?By isolating >> Paroli in that way it may have the effect of even more fragmentation of >> community resources and less people joining in on its development. ?I'll >> tell you, it makes me feel less enthusiastic. > > That is the beauty of the FSO way of doing things - those that want > all the bells and whistles can run SHR, Debian or Gentoo on top of FSO > and those that want a simple user interface can run Paroli (again, on > the FSO platform). To slightly correct myself - People can run Illume and FSO on Debian or Gentoo rather than the other way around as my previous sentence implied. From chris at csamuel.org Mon Mar 9 09:45:52 2009 From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 19:45:52 +1100 Subject: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released In-Reply-To: <4DE8974A-0B08-4B47-B587-A31A33471705@trolltech.com> References: <200903052149.54813.chris@csamuel.org> <200903070006.07261.chris@csamuel.org> <4DE8974A-0B08-4B47-B587-A31A33471705@trolltech.com> Message-ID: <200903091945.56012.chris@csamuel.org> On Sunday 08 March 2009, Lorn Potter wrote: > There is a git repo already setup for sometime now, just havent > updated it to 4.4.3 Hi Lorn, Is that your repo, or someone elses ? It hasn't been touched for 4 months or so from the look of it. Is it worth carrying on with the one I set up on github in the meantime or should I just bin it ? I don't want to cause confusion! cheers, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090309/524f80a6/attachment.pgp From rakshat at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 09:46:05 2009 From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:16:05 +0530 Subject: Freerunner application idea Message-ID: <69a2e4550903090146o4cd178fej1b2d6f34f95f524@mail.gmail.com> At IDA we have started a program of giving away Freerunners to University students who have an interesting application idea and the skills to make the application. One of our first applicants is Sanjay Srikanth from Indian Institute of Technology, Mumbai. I would appreciate feedback from the community on the usefulness and viability of the application idea and also if someone is interested in mentoring the project. Sanjay's wiki page and application idea is given below. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User_talk:Sanjay_srikanth "I was thinking of a Handy tool for the free runner.I would like comments from the people about this Project.Its actually about the Image processing. (bot- robot) As the free runner doesnt have a web cam we need to interface it with an external one.That is possible through bluetooth or may be a data cable and then configuring it.The bot which i am talking about is We will make a bot which is fixed with a webcam.The image can be seen in the phone by interfacing the phone and the webcam by means of wireless communication.After taking a snapshot of an area we would mark a region in that image.The bot would trace that area.I mean if we draw a line on the image in the phone say from point A to point B then the bot will trace that path." Thanks Rakshat -- -------------- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From rakshat at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 09:59:52 2009 From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:29:52 +0530 Subject: Talk on OM at OSI Tech Days, Chennai Message-ID: <69a2e4550903090159t14cfffb4jc83cc80c7cdf9bf7@mail.gmail.com> I will be giving a presentation on Openmoko at Open Source India, Tech Days, Chennai on the 13th of March. All Openmoko users from Chennai and nearby areas and other interested people) are welcome to attend (you can register for free passes on the website http://www.osidays.com or mail me offline if you have problems). Will LUG Chennai have a stall at the event? IDA systems will be giving free batteries to existing Freerunner owners who attend. Rakshat -- -------------- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090309/de970dee/attachment.htm From karadog at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 10:31:40 2009 From: karadog at gmail.com (HouYu Li) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:31:40 +0800 Subject: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released In-Reply-To: <200903091945.56012.chris@csamuel.org> References: <200903052149.54813.chris@csamuel.org> <200903070006.07261.chris@csamuel.org> <4DE8974A-0B08-4B47-B587-A31A33471705@trolltech.com> <200903091945.56012.chris@csamuel.org> Message-ID: <ea736a480903090231o755a1b84t9f152b9db1d429b9@mail.gmail.com> I think Lorn is not ready yet. I managed to setup one myself. git://git.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved.git for git clone http://git.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved.git for web Chris, which repo do you prefer? if you insist on your github repo, then I hope you could update it to 4.4.3. for my repo, it's already based on 4.4.3. and it a good start point to continue working. waiting for your opinion. On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Chris Samuel <chris at csamuel.org> wrote: > On Sunday 08 March 2009, Lorn Potter wrote: > > > There is a git repo already setup for sometime now, just havent > > updated it to 4.4.3 > > Hi Lorn, > > Is that your repo, or someone elses ? It hasn't been touched > for 4 months or so from the look of it. > > Is it worth carrying on with the one I set up on github in the meantime or > should I just bin it ? I don't want to cause confusion! > > cheers, > Chris > -- > Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC > > This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. 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URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090309/147f9342/attachment.htm From chris at csamuel.org Mon Mar 9 10:41:11 2009 From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:41:11 +1100 Subject: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released In-Reply-To: <ea736a480903090231o755a1b84t9f152b9db1d429b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903052149.54813.chris@csamuel.org> <200903091945.56012.chris@csamuel.org> <ea736a480903090231o755a1b84t9f152b9db1d429b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903092041.14284.chris@csamuel.org> On Monday 09 March 2009, HouYu Li wrote: > I think Lorn is not ready yet. I managed to setup one myself. I noticed, doing a git pull at the moment (more to get a handle on how git works, only recently started playing with it).. ;-) > Chris, which repo do you prefer? if you insist on your github repo, then I > hope you could update it to 4.4.3. for my repo, it's already based on > 4.4.3. and it a good start point to continue working. I'm more than happy to clone yours and kill mine off. :-) cheers! Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090309/12e500bb/attachment.pgp From helge.hafting at hist.no Mon Mar 9 10:51:52 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:51:52 +0100 Subject: A solution for multiple routes (usb0+eth0) Message-ID: <49B4E6B8.4020709@hist.no> Bringing up one interface creates a default route, which is necessary no matter which interface is used. Bringing up both interfaces makes two default routes, and there is the risk that the phone ends up using the slower interface which obviously is a problem. I set up /etc/network/interfaces like this, adapted from SHR: auto usb0 iface usb0 inet static address 192.168.0.202 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.0.0 gateway 192.168.0.200 metric 1 up echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 >> /etc/resolv.conf up echo nameserver 208.67.220.220 >> /etc/resolv.conf The "metric" does the trick. When usb0 is the only interface, the usb0 route gets used as usual. If some other interface comes up (in my case, eth0) then that one gets a default route too, but that default route comes up with the default metric of 0. So, the eth0 default route is seen as "shorter", and is preferred over usb0 when both are available. Which is good, as eth0 is faster. So, no need to delete the usb0 default route when bringing up other interfaces, with the associated problem of restoring the usb0 route when the other interface goes away. Helge Hafting From helge.hafting at hist.no Mon Mar 9 11:33:37 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 11:33:37 +0100 Subject: [SHR - Latest unstable] TangoGPS In-Reply-To: <3494db260903090122s5731fd2ufbbf796bafa89b8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <3494db260903050615h3ab59df1uf2b09e1fc0372562@mail.gmail.com> <49AFED75.4090300@hist.no> <3494db260903050734x502e8c8ar109f889654492be3@mail.gmail.com> <49B0F3E2.6060601@hist.no> <3494db260903060702g6095ae5heac17f0a76e4f927@mail.gmail.com> <49B15CD4.3080806@crans.org> <3494db260903090122s5731fd2ufbbf796bafa89b8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B4F081.6060408@hist.no> Tony Berth wrote: > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Yoann ARNAUD <yarnaud at crans.org > <mailto:yarnaud at crans.org>> wrote: > > Tony Berth a ?crit : > > > which command did you use for that symbolic link? > > ln -s ... > > ("man ln" for arguments) > > -- > Yoann. > > > > I did that but I get 'operation not permitted' as the Maps are located > in my SD card which is FAT32! :( > > So the only way to make it work is to re-format my SD card? > No. I believe you have done something wrong. Or is your /home on the sdcard? It is impossible to create a symbolic link _on_ a FAT32 filesystem But it sure is possible to create a symbolic link _to_ a FAT32 folder. The link should be created in /home/root, which hopefully is jffs2 on the internal flash? My own case: /home/root is in the internal flash, jffs2 filesystem tangogps wants to use /home/root/Maps My actual map folder is /media/card/kart , and the filesystem for that doesn't matter at all. I used this command: ln -s /media/card/kart /home/root/Maps If you have tried to start tangogps, then it may have created /home/root/Maps already and populated it with a high-level world map. You must delete this folder before you can use the "ln" command. Whatever folder you link _to_ (in my case, /media/card/kart ), it must contain a folder named OSM and under that, various numbered folders. You cannot link directly to the folder named OSM, you must link to the level above it. If your map folders aren't in a folder named OSM, fix that first using "mv". If your /home/root _is_ on FAT32 and there isn't room for the maps in the same filesystem, then you will have to reformat indeed! Helge Hafting From gunnar.grimnes at dfki.de Mon Mar 9 11:36:38 2009 From: gunnar.grimnes at dfki.de (Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 11:36:38 +0100 Subject: How to use other applications with Paroli fullscreen? In-Reply-To: <87sklnu9ai.fsf@arudy.ossau.uklinux.net> References: <1236380533.7890.15.camel@judy> <49B1F444.2070409@openmoko.com> <1236537647.30790.172.camel@judy> <87sklnu9ai.fsf@arudy.ossau.uklinux.net> Message-ID: <49B4F136.3090804@dfki.de> > To be honest, my heart fell when I read the very beginning of the > Paroli website: "In a few words one could say: paroli is a new > approach to application development on the openmoko phones." My > reaction to that? "Good grief, that's exactly what we DON'T need." > In other words, a new approach is exactly what we don't need - and > especially a new approach that shuts out all previous approaches. Indeed. I was also very sceptical when first reading about FSO - as in "we will make a new framework for mobile computing in linux that will run on all devices" ... however, for FSO they seem to have pulled it off. Somehow. For Paroli I am yet to be convinced that they have not falled prey to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner-platform_effect > To make a constructive suggestion: I wonder what the official Openmoko > view is of SHR Testing? I think it's pretty good, so SHR-Testing uses Zhone? Cheers, -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 From helge.hafting at hist.no Mon Mar 9 11:42:12 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 11:42:12 +0100 Subject: Another attempt at speeding up yaouh, with persistent connections In-Reply-To: <200903061522.33159.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> References: <1236023693621-2411310.post@n2.nabble.com> <200903051142.31909.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <49B0F1FB.7080308@hist.no> <200903061522.33159.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <49B4F284.8040405@hist.no> Al Johnson wrote: > On Friday 06 March 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: >> Al Johnson wrote: >>> On Thursday 05 March 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: >>>> Fixing this in advance is a better approach - but I'd rather spend time >>>> on a much better fix using libcurl. That would speed yaouh up further >>>> also. But this have to wait until someone ports pycurl to the >>>> freerunner. >>> No porting needed - pycurl is in OE. >>> >>> bitbake python-pycurl >> I haven't yet set up any development tools, which is why I worked on a >> python program. Is there an ipk/opk file, or at least something that can >> be installed with tar? > > http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/repos/mazikeen/fso-milestone5/ipk/armv4t/ > > I've a little housekeeping (and a lot of upload time) to do before it's a full > repository, but individual python packages are there at the moment. Thanks a lot! Downloading individual packages is fine with me. I'll see what I can do - pycurl will let me do the entire version check and upgrade through one or a handful persistent connections, that will remove delays that currently happen with small map subdirectories. Filling the network bandwith should be easy then, unless md5 calculations become the new limit. But that can be handled by storing the md5sums, so they only need to be calculated for new/updated files. Helge Hafting From helge.hafting at hist.no Mon Mar 9 12:01:56 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:01:56 +0100 Subject: Pulster fixe(s) / adding caps for bass In-Reply-To: <49B3B9F3.80403@openmoko.com> References: <Atf47TwFfTB@cpu.pulster.de> <200903040832.51250.joerg@openmoko.org> <49AE62D0.8070105@hist.no> <200903041427.12578.joerg@openmoko.org> <5c6ceea80903040858q22f1363bk5b2578ea8759416e@mail.gmail.com> <49AFBDD6.8070705@hist.no> <jwvy6vjx57l.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org> <49B01122.5030105@openmoko.com> <49B0EB58.8080809@hist.no> <49B3B9F3.80403@openmoko.com> Message-ID: <49B4F724.5020400@hist.no> Andy Green wrote: > I did this rework thismorning just to see how possible it is. I wrote > up the following document about it > > http://people.openmoko.org/andy/additional-headset-audio-caps.pdf > > but this isn't intended to be any official story, just something for > people to try at their own risk. Don't go near it unless you're > confident you can handle the rework listed in there. Thank you for making this document. Adding 47uF capacitors will put the cutoff at about 80Hz with 40 ohm headphones. Which is similiar to what we get from a simple home stereo system with no subwoofer. Too bad there wasn't room for 200uF, as a good earplugs may work down to 20Hz. Still, a 80Hz cutoff should be much better than 4kHz! :-) Helge Hafting From fercerpav at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 12:05:41 2009 From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:05:41 +0300 Subject: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team Message-ID: <m2mybv3qii.fsf@home.pavel.comp> 09-03-2009 10:53:32 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: Hey :) Please don't consider my questions or messages as a personal offence. Please. It's just that you're keeping silence on the issues that i consider to be of great importance... You're the frontman of the Paroli project and people are asking you personally about UI design guidelines, targets etc. Imho it's somehow inappropriate to leave all these questions (excluding my rants) unanswered. 09-03-2009 10:55:47 < Mirko-paroli: http://www.paroli-project.org/about-paroli/ 09-03-2009 10:55:53 < Mirko-paroli: answers any questions about UI design 09-03-2009 10:55:57 < Mirko-paroli: and "guidelines" 09-03-2009 11:11:22 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: greate writeup on the ideas behind application design goals and techniques. But nothing about the actual UI you're going to present your users soon (no ui design mockups, no ui guidelines, i don't see anything like that). You saw the complaints on the community ML, don't you understand why those people are complaining? Moreover, you still don't answer a thing about "the ui design department". If they're part of the project, ... 09-03-2009 11:11:28 > PaulFert`: ... the community is supposed to know them, don't you agree? 09-03-2009 11:12:07 < Mirko-paroli: http://www.paroli-project.org/running-paroli/launcher/ 09-03-2009 11:12:12 < Mirko-paroli: and click your way through the apps 09-03-2009 11:12:18 < Mirko-paroli: all with "mockups" 09-03-2009 11:17:35 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: Looks like the list scrolling will be done by swipes... Are you sure it's a good idea for a resistive touchscreen operated by finger? But you know, the most controversial thing is the "pseudo-fullscreen" (which is technically not fullscreen) mode. Integration aside, is the GUI resizable? If yes, then why not run it under the control of a WM? Why not make it easy switchable? 09-03-2009 11:18:14 < Mirko-paroli: send a patch I'll apply it 09-03-2009 11:18:29 < Mirko-paroli: my day only has so many hours 09-03-2009 11:18:35 < Mirko-paroli: and I have to focus on something 09-03-2009 11:18:42 < Mirko-paroli: right now resizing etc is not my focus 09-03-2009 11:19:44 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: fair enough. Can you answer the last question about the "design department" please? 09-03-2009 11:20:15 < Mirko-paroli: everyone who is working on paroli influences the ui and the design 09-03-2009 11:20:25 < Mirko-paroli: so if you or anyone else wants to have a say 09-03-2009 11:20:36 < Mirko-paroli: do it as in any other OS project 09-03-2009 11:20:38 < Mirko-paroli: join it 09-03-2009 11:20:45 < Mirko-paroli: earn credit and then use it 09-03-2009 11:23:57 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: to me as the community member it seems like there exist some hidden force that can influence on UI design in non-obvious non-predictable ways. And you don't seem to deny it... Either we talk different languages or i can't formulate questions or you can't answer. :( 09-03-2009 11:24:58 < Mirko-paroli: as I told you last time we talked, questions end in '?' and imho do not contain subtle accusations 09-03-2009 11:26:23 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: Does the force that is hidden to the community and can influence ui design decisions ("the OM ui design department") exist? (now is that better?) 09-03-2009 11:27:23 < Mirko-paroli: yes as every other company we also have a ui department, but seen that you know of it it can't be really hidden, right? 09-03-2009 11:29:50 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: I've never seen any letter in the public mailing list from them, nor the list of people (with their names and e-mails) involved. I call it "hidden", i think that corresponds to the dictionary definition. 09-03-2009 11:31:31 < Mirko-paroli: ok if you wanna call that hidden my view is blurred in that sense 09-03-2009 11:31:38 < Mirko-paroli: what's your point? 09-03-2009 11:32:36 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: every force that has an influence on the project must act in a community-transparent way. Is it the case now? 09-03-2009 11:33:15 < Mirko-paroli: why does every force have to act in a "community-transparent way" 09-03-2009 11:33:17 < Mirko-paroli: ? 09-03-2009 11:33:36 < Mirko-paroli: I will not get my gf to write mails whenever she is mad at me and publicize them 09-03-2009 11:33:43 < Mirko-paroli: but it is a force that influences it 09-03-2009 11:33:46 < Mirko-paroli: one among many 09-03-2009 11:36:50 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: fair point. But i guess "the ui design department" doesn't influence you in the same way as your gf... Well, i think that's enough. I've got the answers to my questions. Would you mind if i post the script to the community mailing list? 09-03-2009 11:40:32 < Mirko-paroli: actually not really as I am not certain that you won't misrepresent my answers, sorry to have to say that 09-03-2009 11:41:21 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: I'd like to send the transcript unaltered, so every sane person will intepret it the right way. 09-03-2009 11:41:54 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: i'll refrain from comments, just the irc session with my and your messages. 09-03-2009 11:42:27 < Mirko-paroli: sounds fair -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com From mp-001 at ponschab.de Mon Mar 9 12:11:43 2009 From: mp-001 at ponschab.de (zaptac) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 04:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Troubles with opkg.org repo In-Reply-To: <c404cf860903070009o55bc9ee7rc65888b6d56afcd@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B0F1AB.5050101@users.sourceforge.net> <d3e504410903061309m2c23176agc37880936126f6c@mail.gmail.com> <c404cf860903070009o55bc9ee7rc65888b6d56afcd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236597103192-2448399.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Tobias K?ndig wrote: > > This is a little summary of what I do: http://www.opkg.org/repo.html > I suggest changing the line (http://www.opkg.org/create_repo.txt) cat control|grep -ve \"/^[:space:]*$/\" >> Packages to cat control | grep -v "^[ ]*$" >> Packages Greets, Zaptac -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Troubles-with-opkg.org-repo-tp2434780p2448399.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From helge.hafting at hist.no Mon Mar 9 12:24:31 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:24:31 +0100 Subject: Freerunner GSM Buzz fix, warranty and hopes... In-Reply-To: <49B2C75E.1030705@dls.net> References: <49AE56CC.6050509@baumann.name> <200903041148.10139.joerg@openmoko.org> <49AE69AA.8060802@baumann.name> <200903041431.59585.joerg@openmoko.org><d851ca790b27f25a74446416e58bc039@localhost> <49B2C75E.1030705@dls.net> Message-ID: <49B4FC6F.5080900@hist.no> Mike (mwester) wrote: [...] > Good email, and good questions. But apparently, the only answer is > total silence from Openmoko and the resellers. > > The term here would be "stone-walling". > > So, Openmoko -- any answers? Or nothing but continued silence? Can you > at least tell us why you have nothing to say? > > -Mike (mwester) > > (But, hey, at least this original email didn't get the normal flaming > responses from the fanboys, which usually run along the lines of: "You > should be happy that Openmoko gives you anything, it's such hard work, > and you have no right to expect that it actually works as advertised!", > with the occasional personal insult that people who cannot do > surface-mount soldering should not have purchased the phone in the first > place. Sigh.) A question is what exactly what advertised. I read this page before buying: http://openmoko.com/product.html It says there is an audio output, so one shuld expect it to "work". There is nothing about "hi-fi" sound quality though, so perhaps they get away with the weak bass. Talking works, .oggs work although the quality isn't excellent. As for the buzz, it depends on how bad it is. If the other end can't hear you properly then it is a defect. If they get some background noise that don't prevent the use as a phone, then it merely is a phone of low but useable quality. Helge Hafting From pander at users.sourceforge.net Mon Mar 9 12:37:36 2009 From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:37:36 +0100 Subject: Freerunner GSM Buzz fix, warranty and hopes... In-Reply-To: <49B4FC6F.5080900@hist.no> References: <49AE56CC.6050509@baumann.name> <200903041148.10139.joerg@openmoko.org> <49AE69AA.8060802@baumann.name> <200903041431.59585.joerg@openmoko.org><d851ca790b27f25a74446416e58bc039@localhost> <49B2C75E.1030705@dls.net> <49B4FC6F.5080900@hist.no> Message-ID: <49B4FF80.8090703@users.sourceforge.net> Helge Hafting wrote: > Mike (mwester) wrote: > [...] >> Good email, and good questions. But apparently, the only answer is >> total silence from Openmoko and the resellers. >> >> The term here would be "stone-walling". >> >> So, Openmoko -- any answers? Or nothing but continued silence? Can you >> at least tell us why you have nothing to say? >> >> -Mike (mwester) >> >> (But, hey, at least this original email didn't get the normal flaming >> responses from the fanboys, which usually run along the lines of: "You >> should be happy that Openmoko gives you anything, it's such hard work, >> and you have no right to expect that it actually works as advertised!", >> with the occasional personal insult that people who cannot do >> surface-mount soldering should not have purchased the phone in the first >> place. Sigh.) > > A question is what exactly what advertised. > I read this page before buying: http://openmoko.com/product.html > It says there is an audio output, so one shuld expect it to "work". > There is nothing about "hi-fi" sound quality though, so perhaps they get > away with the weak bass. Talking works, .oggs work although the quality > isn't excellent. > > As for the buzz, it depends on how bad it is. If the other end can't > hear you properly then it is a defect. If they get some background noise > that don't prevent the use as a phone, then it merely is a phone of > low but useable quality. In my opinion and that of the people I have on the other end of the line: lower quality then one might expect for a modern day telephone. E.g. for business conversation or important calls that need normal quality, I have to use another telephone. when people ask me what the buzz is, I feel reluctant to tell it is an Openmoko device because of the bad publicity. I'm trusting OpenMoko will come forth with a proper solution. > Helge Hafting > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From djdas at djdas.net Mon Mar 9 12:43:05 2009 From: djdas at djdas.net (DJDAS) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:43:05 +0100 Subject: Freerunner GSM Buzz fix, warranty and hopes... In-Reply-To: <49B4FC6F.5080900@hist.no> References: <49AE56CC.6050509@baumann.name> <200903041148.10139.joerg@openmoko.org> <49AE69AA.8060802@baumann.name> <200903041431.59585.joerg@openmoko.org><d851ca790b27f25a74446416e58bc039@localhost> <49B2C75E.1030705@dls.net> <49B4FC6F.5080900@hist.no> Message-ID: <49B500C9.4030908@djdas.net> Helge Hafting ha scritto: > As for the buzz, it depends on how bad it is. If the other end can't > hear you properly then it is a defect. If they get some background noise > that don't prevent the use as a phone, then it merely is a phone of > low but useable quality. > > Helge Hafting > The buzz is very bad! There are situations in which the other party shouts me he/she can't hear nothing but the buzz... It's definitely a defect IMHO, not only a matter of quality, in some situations it prevents communication to continue... Bye! From Quakeman1 at gmx.net Mon Mar 9 12:54:44 2009 From: Quakeman1 at gmx.net (Fox Mulder) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:54:44 +0100 Subject: [debian] xfce and xglamo In-Reply-To: <84wsb0mdz6.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <49B2D855.3030605@gmx.net> <84wsb0mdz6.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <49B50384.7000900@gmx.net> Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > Fox Mulder <Quakeman1 at gmx.net> writes: >> The second problem (which is the real blocker) is that some programs use >> a way too large font. It is so huge that i can't use them. Interestingly > > What is "xdpyinfo" showing as DPI when this happens? Sorry for the late answer but i had no time to test it until now. Today i updated all packages and installed x11-utils to get xdpyinfo. After i started it says 96 dpi which seems correct. Interestingly i can't reproduce the big font problem anymore. Now it seems that all programs use the 96dpi fontsize. I haven't started all programs but the ones that last time had a too large font are now correct. I also restarted my fr the last time i tried some times without luck. So it seems the problem is gone even i don't know why. :) So the only problem remaining is that i can't produce a right click with the suggested solution from the wiki page. Maybe someone has an idea how to get it to work? Ciao, Rainer From helge.hafting at hist.no Mon Mar 9 13:05:46 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:05:46 +0100 Subject: [All] To build a better music player In-Reply-To: <1236482953.13718.3.camel@toaster-desktop> References: <7654cee60901151017k25f49ee6u64fc0e4eef14bbf0@mail.gmail.com> <7654cee60902121455m3cd87e27s30b31226a3ad49bc@mail.gmail.com> <499954A4.9070702@hist.no> <7654cee60902171137k685e563ciad9833f0ba8c0573@mail.gmail.com> <499C1F0F.3000701@hist.no> <7654cee60902260801x15b2be3eo248e704c695d07f1@mail.gmail.com> <49A7B633.6000704@hist.no> <7654cee60902270948x3e4f3957h81c98f294aaeb863@mail.gmail.com> <49ABAB53.5090009@hist.no> <7654cee60903021903m415060baiee24528d811d8937@mail.gmail.com> <7654cee60903071900w6bb7982bn1c7887fcc49bd976@mail.gmail.com> <1236482953.13718.3.camel@toaster-desktop> Message-ID: <49B5061A.8030100@hist.no> Cameron Frazier wrote: > On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 22:00 -0500, Dylan Reilly wrote: >> FYI, version 0.5.7. is now available on opkg.org. >> >> * Seeking works again (gstreamer). >> * Random play implemented (gstreamer). >> * Pulled in misc., minor GUI enhancements from Paul TT (developer from >> whom the this version was branched). >> * Moved settings around in config. file. All file browsing-related >> settings are now in one place. >> * Default music path is now home directory and fixed bug for inability >> to navigate if initial music path does not exist. >> * Added icon for .desktop file (borrowed from SHR). >> * Known issue: Seeking while the repeat function is enabled for MP3 >> files causes the next instance of the song to play incorrectly. > > Using the mutagen ipk from opkg.org results in failure, remotely and > locally. Anyone have suggestions on a work-around? > Most such opkg.org failures can be solved with wget --no-cache URL on a pc. Then, copy the file to the phone and install. This did not work for mutagen_svn-4350-2, so install mutagen_svn-4350 instead, then mv /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/mutagen /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/ (Put the whole command on one line, with a space between the two parts. It got too long for email.) After this, pythm works for me. Helge Hafting From helge.hafting at hist.no Mon Mar 9 13:08:13 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:08:13 +0100 Subject: [All] To build a better music player In-Reply-To: <7654cee60903071900w6bb7982bn1c7887fcc49bd976@mail.gmail.com> References: <7654cee60901151017k25f49ee6u64fc0e4eef14bbf0@mail.gmail.com> <7654cee60902121455m3cd87e27s30b31226a3ad49bc@mail.gmail.com> <499954A4.9070702@hist.no> <7654cee60902171137k685e563ciad9833f0ba8c0573@mail.gmail.com> <499C1F0F.3000701@hist.no> <7654cee60902260801x15b2be3eo248e704c695d07f1@mail.gmail.com> <49A7B633.6000704@hist.no> <7654cee60902270948x3e4f3957h81c98f294aaeb863@mail.gmail.com> <49ABAB53.5090009@hist.no> <7654cee60903021903m415060baiee24528d811d8937@mail.gmail.com> <7654cee60903071900w6bb7982bn1c7887fcc49bd976@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B506AD.2040008@hist.no> Dylan Reilly wrote: > FYI, version 0.5.7. is now available on opkg.org. Thanks, nice improvements! Is it possible to make the tabs on top as tall as the buttons at the bottom? They will be easier to press that way. I have the same wish for the nearly flat volume control - it is hard to grab with my big fingers. Helge Hafting From atilla.filiz at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 13:23:04 2009 From: atilla.filiz at gmail.com (Atilla Filiz) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:23:04 +0100 Subject: A solution for multiple routes (usb0+eth0) In-Reply-To: <49B4E6B8.4020709@hist.no> References: <49B4E6B8.4020709@hist.no> Message-ID: <6016f9080903090523m2ffdd6a9w582fb4d0218e3692@mail.gmail.com> An elegant solution for an annoying problem. Thank you. On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Helge Hafting <helge.hafting at hist.no>wrote: > Bringing up one interface creates a default route, which is necessary no > matter which interface is used. > > Bringing up both interfaces makes two default routes, and there is the > risk that the phone ends up using the slower interface which obviously > is a problem. > > I set up /etc/network/interfaces like this, adapted from SHR: > > auto usb0 > iface usb0 inet static > address 192.168.0.202 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > network 192.168.0.0 > gateway 192.168.0.200 metric 1 > up echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 >> /etc/resolv.conf > up echo nameserver 208.67.220.220 >> /etc/resolv.conf > > The "metric" does the trick. When usb0 is the only interface, the usb0 > route gets used as usual. > > If some other interface comes up (in my case, eth0) > then that one gets a default route too, but that default route > comes up with the default metric of 0. > > So, the eth0 default route is seen as "shorter", and is preferred over > usb0 when both are available. Which is good, as eth0 is faster. > > So, no need to delete the usb0 default route when bringing up other > interfaces, with the associated problem of restoring the usb0 route when > the other interface goes away. > > Helge Hafting > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- --------------------------------------------------------- Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme -------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090309/73379dae/attachment.htm From chris at csamuel.org Mon Mar 9 13:39:58 2009 From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:39:58 +1100 Subject: [QtExtended] Qt Extended 4.4.3 released In-Reply-To: <ea736a480903090231o755a1b84t9f152b9db1d429b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903052149.54813.chris@csamuel.org> <200903091945.56012.chris@csamuel.org> <ea736a480903090231o755a1b84t9f152b9db1d429b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903092340.00619.chris@csamuel.org> On Monday 09 March 2009, HouYu Li wrote: > I think Lorn is not ready yet. I managed to setup one myself. OK - I'll send the echo cancellation patch to the list now as applied to your 4.4.3 repository (I've created a local branch called chris for now). The 4.4.2 patch applied with no changes and no fuzz. cheers, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090309/dd4e9aec/attachment.pgp From chris at csamuel.org Mon Mar 9 13:21:41 2009 From: chris at csamuel.org (Chris Samuel) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:21:41 +1100 Subject: [PATCH] Added echo suppression fixes for the OpenMoko Neo phone. Message-ID: <20090309124023.F412140537@csamuel.org> The original Qt Extended 4.4.3 initially set both echo suppression and noise reduction in separate AT commands which might result in the second command negating the first one. It also only set them for outgoing calls. This new version uses the AT command to set both echo suppression and noise reduction at the same time as well as setting them on initialisation and after a wake up. This is identical to the patch against QtE 4.4.2 and applied cleanly with no fuzz with QtE 4.4.3. Signed-off-by: Chris Samuel <chris at csamuel.org> --- .../src/plugins/phonevendors/neo/vendor_neo.cpp | 17 ++++++++++++++--- 1 files changed, 14 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) diff --git a/devices/neo/src/plugins/phonevendors/neo/vendor_neo.cpp b/devices/neo/src/plugins/phonevendors/neo/vendor_neo.cpp index d27b4eb..35f7a0b 100644 --- a/devices/neo/src/plugins/phonevendors/neo/vendor_neo.cpp +++ b/devices/neo/src/plugins/phonevendors/neo/vendor_neo.cpp @@ -153,8 +153,7 @@ QString NeoCallProvider::dialVoiceCommand(const QDialOptions& options) const // do undocumented echo cancellation and noise reduction modemService->primaryAtChat()->chat( "AT at ST=\"-26\"" ); - modemService->primaryAtChat()->chat( "AT%N028B" ); - modemService->primaryAtChat()->chat( "AT%N0125" ); + modemService->primaryAtChat()->chat( "AT%N0187" ); return QModemCallProvider::dialVoiceCommand(options); } @@ -551,11 +550,14 @@ NeoModemService::NeoModemService // chat("AT%CMGRS=1"); //message transmission to get any failed sms during suspend - chat("AT%SLEEP=2"); //makes my Moko8 not respond to calls during sosuend + chat("AT%SLEEP=2"); //makes my Moko8 not respond to calls during suspend // Turn cell id information back on. chat( "AT+CREG=2" ); chat( "AT+CGREG=2" ); + // Turn on echo suppression and noise reduction. + chat( "AT%N0187" ); + QTimer::singleShot(200, this, SLOT(sendRego())); } @@ -572,6 +574,9 @@ void NeoModemService::sendRego() if( !cfg.value("PlaneMode",false).toBool()) { // chat("AT%NRG=0,0"); //force auto operations chat("AT+COPS=0"); //force auto operations + + // Turn on echo suppression and noise reduction. + chat( "AT%N0187" ); } } @@ -679,6 +684,9 @@ void NeoModemService::reset() chat("AT%CWUP=1"); chat("ATE0"); + // Turn on echo suppression and noise reduction. + chat( "AT%N0187" ); + // Turn on "%CNAP" notifications, which supply the caller's // name on an call. Only supported on some networks. chat( "AT%CNAP=1" ); @@ -738,6 +746,9 @@ void NeoModemService::wake() // Re-enable signal quality notifications when the system wakes up again. chat( "AT%CSQ=1", this, SLOT(mcsqOn()) ); + + // Turn on echo suppression and noise reduction. + chat( "AT%N0187" ); } void NeoModemService::mcsqOff() -- 1.5.6.3 From karadog at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 14:31:17 2009 From: karadog at gmail.com (HouYu Li) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:31:17 +0800 Subject: [PATCH] Added echo suppression fixes for the OpenMoko Neo phone. In-Reply-To: <20090309124023.F412140537@csamuel.org> References: <20090309124023.F412140537@csamuel.org> Message-ID: <ea736a480903090631v4c7d0143k2023432ba96b47cf@mail.gmail.com> OK. I have committed your patch to my main repository. Now building binaries. On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Chris Samuel <chris at csamuel.org> wrote: > The original Qt Extended 4.4.3 initially set both echo > suppression and noise reduction in separate AT commands > which might result in the second command negating the > first one. It also only set them for outgoing calls. > > This new version uses the AT command to set both > echo suppression and noise reduction at the same > time as well as setting them on initialisation and > after a wake up. > > This is identical to the patch against QtE 4.4.2 and > applied cleanly with no fuzz with QtE 4.4.3. > > Signed-off-by: Chris Samuel <chris at csamuel.org> > --- > .../src/plugins/phonevendors/neo/vendor_neo.cpp | 17 > ++++++++++++++--- > 1 files changed, 14 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/devices/neo/src/plugins/phonevendors/neo/vendor_neo.cpp > b/devices/neo/src/plugins/phonevendors/neo/vendor_neo.cpp > index d27b4eb..35f7a0b 100644 > --- a/devices/neo/src/plugins/phonevendors/neo/vendor_neo.cpp > +++ b/devices/neo/src/plugins/phonevendors/neo/vendor_neo.cpp > @@ -153,8 +153,7 @@ QString NeoCallProvider::dialVoiceCommand(const > QDialOptions& options) const > // do undocumented echo cancellation and noise reduction > > modemService->primaryAtChat()->chat( "AT at ST=\"-26\"" ); > - modemService->primaryAtChat()->chat( "AT%N028B" ); > - modemService->primaryAtChat()->chat( "AT%N0125" ); > + modemService->primaryAtChat()->chat( "AT%N0187" ); > return QModemCallProvider::dialVoiceCommand(options); > } > > @@ -551,11 +550,14 @@ NeoModemService::NeoModemService > > // chat("AT%CMGRS=1"); //message transmission to get any failed sms > during suspend > > - chat("AT%SLEEP=2"); //makes my Moko8 not respond to calls during > sosuend > + chat("AT%SLEEP=2"); //makes my Moko8 not respond to calls during > suspend > // Turn cell id information back on. > chat( "AT+CREG=2" ); > chat( "AT+CGREG=2" ); > > + // Turn on echo suppression and noise reduction. > + chat( "AT%N0187" ); > + > QTimer::singleShot(200, this, SLOT(sendRego())); > } > > @@ -572,6 +574,9 @@ void NeoModemService::sendRego() > if( !cfg.value("PlaneMode",false).toBool()) { > // chat("AT%NRG=0,0"); //force auto operations > chat("AT+COPS=0"); //force auto operations > + > + // Turn on echo suppression and noise reduction. > + chat( "AT%N0187" ); > } > } > > @@ -679,6 +684,9 @@ void NeoModemService::reset() > chat("AT%CWUP=1"); > chat("ATE0"); > > + // Turn on echo suppression and noise reduction. > + chat( "AT%N0187" ); > + > // Turn on "%CNAP" notifications, which supply the caller's > // name on an call. Only supported on some networks. > chat( "AT%CNAP=1" ); > @@ -738,6 +746,9 @@ void NeoModemService::wake() > > // Re-enable signal quality notifications when the system wakes up > again. > chat( "AT%CSQ=1", this, SLOT(mcsqOn()) ); > + > + // Turn on echo suppression and noise reduction. > + chat( "AT%N0187" ); > } > > void NeoModemService::mcsqOff() > -- > 1.5.6.3 > > > ______________________________________________

From t.landspurg at 8motions.com Sun Mar 1 00:39:32 2009 From: t.landspurg at 8motions.com (Thomas Landspurg) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 00:39:32 +0100 Subject: OpenCellId : How to contribute simply with my moko ? Message-ID: <9ab347b00902281539s3fab1a7o2385ec98c1975f6d@mail.gmail.com> There is currenrtly 4197 cells for france if you look at the stats ( http://www.opencellid.org/cell/stats ) The map just show the LATEST 200 cells. It's very easy to contribute, there is a simple REST API to uplaod cell measures. I think somebody already dome some job here for OpenMoko, let me find it... -- Thomas LANDSPURG 8Motions Founder/CTO http://www.8motions.com http://www.opencellid.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090301/0cfb0028/attachment.htm From billk at iinet.net.au Sun Mar 1 01:01:01 2009 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:01:01 +0900 Subject: [SHR-unstable] wrong timezone setting In-Reply-To: <1235831569.2621.593.camel@andromeda> References: <49A9081D.8020601@gmail.com> <1235817780.24699.5.camel@rattus> <1235831569.2621.593.camel@andromeda> Message-ID: <1235865661.24699.11.camel@rattus> It is a bit - reading code does that to me :( Sorry. BillK On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 15:32 +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > Am Samstag, den 28.02.2009, 19:43 +0900 schrieb William Kenworthy: > > I think its otimed thats doing it - tried to set my timezone over 3000 > > km from where I am, and tried to sync time with somewhere in Germany (I > > am in Australia) > > > > There is a way to turn this off with a couple of lines > > in /etc/frameworkd.conf - search the wiki for that file and it should > > explain the relevant lines. > > > > I really should raise a bug about otimed as its a really bad piece of > > design in a number of areas (using a fixed IP, using gsm to set time, > > one shot time setting, ...) but I dont have a lot of confidence in > > raising a bug for issues like this - it'll just get ignored. > > An interesting assassment. What makes you think so negative? I think the > FSO team has a particularly well track recording in dealing with bug > reports, but my view might be tainted... > > :M: > > -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! From t.landspurg at 8motions.com Sun Mar 1 01:24:38 2009 From: t.landspurg at 8motions.com (Thomas Landspurg) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 01:24:38 +0100 Subject: NEw functions for OpenCellID+Perl lib Message-ID: <9ab347b00902281624v606be817x1983a74d090ff933@mail.gmail.com> Dear all, Some news functions that could be useful for you: cell/getInArea returns the list of cells for a specific area, filtered if needed by country code/operator Usefull if you want to preaload some data for a specific are with an application (see http://www.opencellid.org/api ) Also note that somebody just posted a nice Perl library to access to OpenCellID: http://search.cpan.org/~mrdvt/Geo-WebService-OpenCellID-0.01/ Hope that this will help you. And again, we are open to any suggestions! -- Thomas LANDSPURG 8Motions Founder/CTO http://www.8motions.com http://www.opencellid.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090301/b0a5249f/attachment.htm From billk at iinet.net.au Sun Mar 1 01:42:07 2009 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:42:07 +0900 Subject: [SHR-unstable] wrong timezone setting In-Reply-To: <1235865661.24699.11.camel@rattus> References: <49A9081D.8020601@gmail.com> <1235817780.24699.5.camel@rattus> <1235831569.2621.593.camel@andromeda> <1235865661.24699.11.camel@rattus> Message-ID: <1235868127.24699.12.camel@rattus> bug #2244 BillK On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 09:01 +0900, William Kenworthy wrote: > It is a bit - reading code does that to me :( > > Sorry. > > BillK > > > > On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 15:32 +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > > Am Samstag, den 28.02.2009, 19:43 +0900 schrieb William Kenworthy: > > > I think its otimed thats doing it - tried to set my timezone over 3000 > > > km from where I am, and tried to sync time with somewhere in Germany (I > > > am in Australia) > > > > > > There is a way to turn this off with a couple of lines > > > in /etc/frameworkd.conf - search the wiki for that file and it should > > > explain the relevant lines. > > > > > > I really should raise a bug about otimed as its a really bad piece of > > > design in a number of areas (using a fixed IP, using gsm to set time, > > > one shot time setting, ...) but I dont have a lot of confidence in > > > raising a bug for issues like this - it'll just get ignored. > > > > An interesting assassment. What makes you think so negative? I think the > > FSO team has a particularly well track recording in dealing with bug > > reports, but my view might be tainted... > > > > :M: > > > > -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! From mickey at openmoko.org Sun Mar 1 02:12:19 2009 From: mickey at openmoko.org (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 02:12:19 +0100 Subject: [SHR-unstable] wrong timezone setting In-Reply-To: <1235868127.24699.12.camel@rattus> References: <49A9081D.8020601@gmail.com> <1235817780.24699.5.camel@rattus> <1235831569.2621.593.camel@andromeda> <1235865661.24699.11.camel@rattus> <1235868127.24699.12.camel@rattus> Message-ID: <1235869939.2621.600.camel@andromeda> Am Sonntag, den 01.03.2009, 09:42 +0900 schrieb William Kenworthy: > bug #2244 Thanks. It would've been better in the FSO bugtracker, but we now know where to look for it. Cheers, :M: From billk at iinet.net.au Sun Mar 1 02:16:57 2009 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:16:57 +0900 Subject: [SHR-unstable] wrong timezone setting In-Reply-To: <1235869939.2621.600.camel@andromeda> References: <49A9081D.8020601@gmail.com> <1235817780.24699.5.camel@rattus> <1235831569.2621.593.camel@andromeda> <1235865661.24699.11.camel@rattus> <1235868127.24699.12.camel@rattus> <1235869939.2621.600.camel@andromeda> Message-ID: <1235870217.24699.13.camel@rattus> ah, didnt realise FSO has a separate tracker. BillK On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 02:12 +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > Am Sonntag, den 01.03.2009, 09:42 +0900 schrieb William Kenworthy: > > bug #2244 > > Thanks. It would've been better in the FSO bugtracker, but we now know > where to look for it. > > Cheers, > > :M: > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! From nytowl at openmoko.org Sun Mar 1 03:05:21 2009 From: nytowl at openmoko.org (Angus Ainslie) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:05:21 -0700 Subject: [SHR-unstable] wrong timezone setting In-Reply-To: <1235870217.24699.13.camel@rattus> References: <49A9081D.8020601@gmail.com> <1235817780.24699.5.camel@rattus> <1235831569.2621.593.camel@andromeda> <1235865661.24699.11.camel@rattus> <1235868127.24699.12.camel@rattus> <1235869939.2621.600.camel@andromeda> <1235870217.24699.13.camel@rattus> Message-ID: <1235873121.5751.123.camel@think-laptop> Just looked through the example frameworkd.conf and there aren't any examples of using either the locally configured timezone or manually setting it in frameworkd.conf. Is there a way ? Angus From robin.paulson at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 04:08:53 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:08:53 +1300 Subject: No DNS in Qtmail In-Reply-To: <20090228223156.GA11384@galileo.takke.homelinux.org> References: <20090228223156.GA11384@galileo.takke.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770902281908u25fa10f2p2d64de379964b98a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/1 Andrea Tacchetti : > ?I configured qtmail on my freerunner (running Om 2008.12) although > as I tap on the "Get all mail" button it tells me it cannot find the > server (after having said "BLABLA - DNS Lookup). > > ?The strange thing is that is I go on a terminal and ping the same > server it gets resolved (and pinged) properly. > > Is this a known issue? Does not qtmail use resolv.conf as everyone > else? yes, it uses the same resolv.conf as ping and everything else are you using an encrypted e-mail service? i used to have a similar problem; i was trying to use gmail and couldn't connect at all, let alone get my mail. i hadn't got the security certificates figured out, and since i did it works - now, whether this was a coincidence or not, i don't know. i wrote up what i did on the wiki, and now it connects ok. ymmv http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtmail unfortunately, it now times out trying to get the headers for 5000 messages..... it's not the best e-mail client ever From cchandel at yahoo.com Sun Mar 1 04:29:09 2009 From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:29:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Announcing new Project - Intone mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <1235831241.2621.592.camel@andromeda> References: <1235112688008-2357405.post@n2.nabble.com> <1235190408694-2362669.post@n2.nabble.com> <1235314417805-2367760.post@n2.nabble.com> <1235795008696-2399628.post@n2.nabble.com> <1235831241.2621.592.camel@andromeda> Message-ID: <1235878149750-2403200.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > > Could you cook a patch to fix that? > Sure. I don't know how - but I'll try. Although - someone with better knowledge about arm assembly can actually try and integrate tremolo (which has the same api) but is faster (15-20%) than tremor and hand tuned for ARM. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Annuncing-new-Project---Intone-mplayer-frontend-tp2357405p2403200.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From billk at iinet.net.au Sun Mar 1 07:42:46 2009 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:42:46 +0900 Subject: [SHR-unstable] wrong timezone setting In-Reply-To: <1235873121.5751.123.camel@think-laptop> References: <49A9081D.8020601@gmail.com> <1235817780.24699.5.camel@rattus> <1235831569.2621.593.camel@andromeda> <1235865661.24699.11.camel@rattus> <1235868127.24699.12.camel@rattus> <1235869939.2621.600.camel@andromeda> <1235870217.24699.13.camel@rattus> <1235873121.5751.123.camel@think-laptop> Message-ID: <1235889767.12720.3.camel@rattus> Yes, there is a description on frameworkd.conf on the wiki. Really, should be a commented example in the frameword.conf file itself - would be a lot easier for users. BillK On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 19:05 -0700, Angus Ainslie wrote: > Just looked through the example frameworkd.conf and there aren't any > examples of using either the locally configured timezone or manually > setting it in frameworkd.conf. > > Is there a way ? > > Angus > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! From guru at unixarea.de Sun Mar 1 08:51:00 2009 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:51:00 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.x] Wanted StarDict for my Openmoko Message-ID: <20090301075100.GA2853@rebelion.Sisis.de> Hello, I'm using StarDict in both of my FreeBSD/KDE based laptops: $ pkg_info stardict-2.4.8_5 ... Description: StarDict is a Cross-Platform and international dictionary written in Gtk2. It has powerful features such as "Glob-style pattern matching," "Scan selection word," "Fuzzy query," etc. WWW: http://stardict.sourceforge.net/ It would be _extremely_ useful for me to have it as well on my FR; Is someone working on a port of this? Thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ From billk at iinet.net.au Sun Mar 1 08:56:40 2009 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:56:40 +0900 Subject: Finger friendly browse keyboard In-Reply-To: <49A9790F.7040800@googlemail.com> References: <49A69E96.5070609@users.sourceforge.net> <87ljrqkgna.fsf@ashbery.wjsullivan.net> <49A9260F.2040308@users.sourceforge.net> <1235823697.24699.9.camel@rattus> <49A9790F.7040800@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <1235894200.12720.25.camel@rattus> On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 18:49 +0100, "Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Pr?nster" wrote: > William Kenworthy schrieb: > > I would rather the space - the other two keyboards are pretty > > useless ... > > > > BillK > > > > On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 12:54 +0100, Pander wrote: > > > >> John Sullivan wrote: > >> > >>> Pander writes: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Hi all, > >>>> > >>>> Someone mentioned a finger friendly browse keoyboard, and I just could > >>>> not resist making one myself. the result is here: > >>>> http://www.opkg.org/package_144.html ... > >> Openmoko community mailing list > >> community at lists.openmoko.org > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > >> > you CAN use the space and don't need the kbd switcher since you can > scroll upwards to switch the kbd. > just edt the virtual kbd reloution (the relation between width an > height) and you can add another row of keys. > one thing you have to keep in mind: the name of the kbd MUST NOT make it > appear firts in the list of kbds (e.g. rename the Default.kbd (or any > other kbd that has teh correct height/widht relation) to Alpha.kbd so > that it is firts in the list). if this is the case the illume kbd will > not be resized and the additional row of keys will be available without > occupying more of your precieous space. (i think this works because of > the same bug, that prevents the illume kbd from resizing of used in > landscape mode. > > all credits go to Michal Brzozowski (god i hope i spelled it correctly) > No, I mean remove both the other two keyboards so only terminal is left. Then the word space and switcher are redundant and they both can be removed saving space. My fingers are too fat to use either of those two, the dictionary is hopeless and they take forever to type a message as you are always trying to fix the mistakes they make, stroking the keyboard rarely works properly so you are continually trying to select/delete or whatever and failing. As the default always pops up first until you select terminal, its better to remove them altogether (and they always pop up first when writing an sms for example) Others say it works, and I suppose it does for them, but to me its one of the worst parts of the freerunner interface and the first bit I disable by uninstalling numbers and default (or in the case of shr-unstable, just coping terminal over the top of each). Terminal has its own problems/annoyances (the animation encourages miss-clicks and takes up valuable cpu cycles - tried to find out how its done so it could be minimised to just a quick blink to tell the key has registered a press, but didnt find it - one day ... :) These tiny key keyboards can only be used by normal people using a stylus - what we really need for SMS is a large keyboard taking up much of the screen and only a tiny window for text (160 chars) - in fact thats what most other keyboardless phones seem to do, for good reasons. BillK From pander at users.sourceforge.net Sun Mar 1 09:03:31 2009 From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:03:31 +0100 Subject: Finger friendly browse keyboard In-Reply-To: <1235894200.12720.25.camel@rattus> References: <49A69E96.5070609@users.sourceforge.net> <87ljrqkgna.fsf@ashbery.wjsullivan.net> <49A9260F.2040308@users.sourceforge.net> <1235823697.24699.9.camel@rattus> <49A9790F.7040800@googlemail.com> <1235894200.12720.25.camel@rattus> Message-ID: <49AA4153.8060409@users.sourceforge.net> William Kenworthy wrote: > On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 18:49 +0100, "Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Pr?nster" > wrote: >> William Kenworthy schrieb: >>> I would rather the space - the other two keyboards are pretty >>> useless ... >>> >>> BillK >>> >>> On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 12:54 +0100, Pander wrote: >>> >>>> John Sullivan wrote: >>>> >>>>> Pander writes: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Someone mentioned a finger friendly browse keoyboard, and I just could >>>>>> not resist making one myself. the result is here: >>>>>> http://www.opkg.org/package_144.html > ... > >>>> Openmoko community mailing list >>>> community at lists.openmoko.org >>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >>>> >> you CAN use the space and don't need the kbd switcher since you can >> scroll upwards to switch the kbd. >> just edt the virtual kbd reloution (the relation between width an >> height) and you can add another row of keys. >> one thing you have to keep in mind: the name of the kbd MUST NOT make it >> appear firts in the list of kbds (e.g. rename the Default.kbd (or any >> other kbd that has teh correct height/widht relation) to Alpha.kbd so >> that it is firts in the list). if this is the case the illume kbd will >> not be resized and the additional row of keys will be available without >> occupying more of your precieous space. (i think this works because of >> the same bug, that prevents the illume kbd from resizing of used in >> landscape mode. >> >> all credits go to Michal Brzozowski (god i hope i spelled it correctly) >> > > No, I mean remove both the other two keyboards so only terminal is left. > Then the word space and switcher are redundant and they both can be > removed saving space. My fingers are too fat to use either of those > two, the dictionary is hopeless and they take forever to type a message > as you are always trying to fix the mistakes they make, stroking the > keyboard rarely works properly so you are continually trying to > select/delete or whatever and failing. As the default always pops up > first until you select terminal, its better to remove them altogether > (and they always pop up first when writing an sms for example) > > Others say it works, and I suppose it does for them, but to me its one > of the worst parts of the freerunner interface and the first bit I > disable by uninstalling numbers and default (or in the case of > shr-unstable, just coping terminal over the top of each). Terminal has > its own problems/annoyances (the animation encourages miss-clicks and > takes up valuable cpu cycles - tried to find out how its done so it > could be minimised to just a quick blink to tell the key has registered > a press, but didnt find it - one day ... :) > > These tiny key keyboards can only be used by normal people using a > stylus - what we really need for SMS is a large keyboard taking up much > of the screen and only a tiny window for text (160 chars) - in fact > thats what most other keyboardless phones seem to do, for good reasons. Have you tried the alternative keyboards (alpha and num) from opkg.org? > BillK > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From billk at iinet.net.au Sun Mar 1 09:16:39 2009 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 17:16:39 +0900 Subject: Finger friendly browse keyboard In-Reply-To: <49AA4153.8060409@users.sourceforge.net> References: <49A69E96.5070609@users.sourceforge.net> <87ljrqkgna.fsf@ashbery.wjsullivan.net> <49A9260F.2040308@users.sourceforge.net> <1235823697.24699.9.camel@rattus> <49A9790F.7040800@googlemail.com> <1235894200.12720.25.camel@rattus> <49AA4153.8060409@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <1235895399.12720.35.camel@rattus> On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 09:03 +0100, Pander wrote: ... > Have you tried the alternative keyboards (alpha and num) from opkg.org? > > > BillK > > No, just did a search for "keyboard" and they didnt show up. What was new was optimsms which has possibilities. Were they a alpha/number dutch kb? - saw those some time back and didnt try them because they were two separate boards (and not in english) which is painful to use as you are switching back and forward all the the time (which is a real pita with the FR as it usually takes multiple swipes to switch) As a user, I would like a single full qwerty keyboard for almost all uses, and a very large key qwerty/number only for SMS (landscape so there is room, and just enough of a text bar to display 160 characters), and like most commercial phones, a simple menu choice to disable T9, dict lookups and other funnies for those like me who hate them. BillK From pander at users.sourceforge.net Sun Mar 1 09:22:18 2009 From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:22:18 +0100 Subject: Finger friendly browse keyboard In-Reply-To: <1235895399.12720.35.camel@rattus> References: <49A69E96.5070609@users.sourceforge.net> <87ljrqkgna.fsf@ashbery.wjsullivan.net> <49A9260F.2040308@users.sourceforge.net> <1235823697.24699.9.camel@rattus> <49A9790F.7040800@googlemail.com> <1235894200.12720.25.camel@rattus> <49AA4153.8060409@users.sourceforge.net> <1235895399.12720.35.camel@rattus> Message-ID: <49AA45BA.9050805@users.sourceforge.net> William Kenworthy wrote: > On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 09:03 +0100, Pander wrote: > ... >> Have you tried the alternative keyboards (alpha and num) from opkg.org? >> >>> BillK >>> > > > No, just did a search for "keyboard" and they didnt show up. What was > new was optimsms which has possibilities. > > Were they a alpha/number dutch kb? - saw those some time back and didnt > try them because they were two separate boards (and not in english) > which is painful to use as you are switching back and forward all the > the time (which is a real pita with the FR as it usually takes multiple > swipes to switch) > > As a user, I would like a single full qwerty keyboard for almost all > uses, and a very large key qwerty/number only for SMS (landscape so > there is room, and just enough of a text bar to display 160 characters), > and like most commercial phones, a simple menu choice to disable T9, > dict lookups and other funnies for those like me who hate them. > > BillK > Try these: http://www.opkg.org/package_101.html http://www.opkg.org/package_106.html The Dutch is one made by me, optimised for entering terminal commands and writing Dutch (proza). From vrghost at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 10:55:21 2009 From: vrghost at gmail.com (Ilya O.) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:55:21 +0200 Subject: Want to keep up with times. Message-ID: <9b1793840903010155t5b6e3624h4dac2011429f8f66@mail.gmail.com> Hello. I haven't been reading openmoko mailing lists for a while for now (about three-four months), and would like to update my knowledge of current things to be. 1) How long FreeRunner currently works as everyday phone? (Please, tell me that it can survive for a day). 2) What distribution is currently developed by Openmoko? Is it FSO? 3) Was echo during calls minimized? (at least to the level where caller wouldn't interrupt himself with echo of his). 4) Is there project that would like me to participate in or bug that I would be able to fix? (I have experience writing in Python/C/C++/Erlang/...etc.. including some linux kernel programming). Do want to do something fun! Thank you. From openmoko at ginguppin.de Sun Mar 1 11:50:04 2009 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 11:50:04 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.x] Wanted StarDict for my Openmoko In-Reply-To: <20090301075100.GA2853@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20090301075100.GA2853@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: well, it is available in debian. so, with little effort you should be able to use that for 2008.x (qt4, gtk and console frontend) -- far more interesting, though, is the question what dicts are available. debian offers english-czech only. From leonardo at lilik.it Sun Mar 1 11:51:50 2009 From: leonardo at lilik.it (leonardo at lilik.it) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 11:51:50 +0100 Subject: [QtExtended] Report on 4.4.3 src on FSO In-Reply-To: <49A3E142.3090901@enable.cl> References: <10704_1235282194_1235282194_49A0E8DE.5060209@enable.cl> <1235296785.26290.66.camel@Mzero620> <49A35ADB.3050004@enable.cl> <1235476446.6489.11.camel@daniel-laptop> <49A3E142.3090901@enable.cl> Message-ID: <49AA68C6.5070907@lilik.it> Tomas Riveros Schober wrote: >> Could u please direct me to the right place? Thanks. >> > http://qtextended.org/downloads/snapshots/ what are the changes in these snapshots? I'm still using QTE from 2008 with some bugs such as duplicate messages, duplicate calls and so on... is it worth upgrading? ciao leonardo. -- http://leonardo.lilik.it Key fingerprint = 2C20 A587 05AC 42E5 1292 D0D4 3EED CFB5 52FD AD1E From mirko at openmoko.com Sun Mar 1 11:58:14 2009 From: mirko at openmoko.com (Mirko Lindner) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 05:58:14 -0500 Subject: Want to keep up with times. In-Reply-To: <9b1793840903010155t5b6e3624h4dac2011429f8f66@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b1793840903010155t5b6e3624h4dac2011429f8f66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AA6A46.8080904@openmoko.com> Hej Ilya, Ilya O. wrote: > > 1) How long FreeRunner currently works as everyday phone? (Please, > tell me that it can survive for a day). It can indeed survive longer than a day. Mickey did some tests and published the results here on the list. > 2) What distribution is currently developed by Openmoko? Is it FSO? We are working on FSO indeed. The current om distro you can find here[1]. Note: it is called unstable for a reason ;) It does come with paroli covering all of the screen as we are focusing on getting day-to-day phone capabilities in first before engaging in other areas. > 4) Is there project that would like me to participate in or bug that I > would be able to fix? (I have experience writing in > Python/C/C++/Erlang/...etc.. including some linux kernel programming). Paroli is a good place to get active in right now. It is a python/efl based project split in several applets running in a single python instance. We are currently working towards our third milestone[2] the second one is currently in graphics review ;) See our project page[3] for more details. If this looks like fun, get in touch with me and I can answer any questions and make the start a bit easier. I am sure we can find something that is fun (to me the whole project is ;) ) /mirko [1] http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/NeoFreerunner/ pick fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r3-om-gta02.bin [2] http://paroli-project.org/trac/roadmap [3] http://www.paroli-project.org/ From guru at unixarea.de Sun Mar 1 12:00:14 2009 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:00:14 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.x] Wanted StarDict for my Openmoko In-Reply-To: References: <20090301075100.GA2853@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <20090301110014.GA7773@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Sunday, March 01, 2009 a las 11:50:04AM +0100, arne anka escribi?: > well, it is available in debian. so, with little effort you should be able > to use that for 2008.x (qt4, gtk and console frontend) -- far more > interesting, though, is the question what dicts are available. > debian offers english-czech only. Could you please point me to a Debian ARM pkg server? Thx; Concerning to the dicts, they can be just downloaded from http://stardict.sourceforge.net/Dictionaries.php these are only tar-balls to unpack to the right place; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Sun Mar 1 12:12:46 2009 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 13:12:46 +0200 Subject: Want to keep up with times. In-Reply-To: <9b1793840903010155t5b6e3624h4dac2011429f8f66@mail.gmail.com> (Ilya O.'s message of "Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:55:21 +0200") References: <9b1793840903010155t5b6e3624h4dac2011429f8f66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84d4d1wl75.fsf@sauna.l.org> "Ilya O." writes: > 1) How long FreeRunner currently works as everyday phone? (Please, > tell me that it can survive for a day). Energy consumption during suspend is not very likely to go down unless we can fix the deep sleep bug of the GSM chip. It's around 33-35 mA. Which means that we have about 1200 mAh / 33 mA = 36 h of suspend time. > 3) Was echo during calls minimized? (at least to the level where > caller wouldn't interrupt himself with echo of his). Yes, echo is gone. Search the wiki or email archives for AT%N0187 > 4) Is there project that would like me to participate in or bug that I > would be able to fix? (I have experience writing in > Python/C/C++/Erlang/...etc.. including some linux kernel programming). http://bugs.openmoko.org/ lists open bugs, help in kernel side is very much appreciated! From pander at users.sourceforge.net Sun Mar 1 12:40:10 2009 From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:40:10 +0100 Subject: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution Message-ID: <49AA741A.50406@users.sourceforge.net> Hi all, I have started a feature overview for out of the box SHR unstable distribution. This will show the current status of the functionality you get after installing SHR and using only the high level GUI to use and manage it. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview This overview is both reflecting the currect status, as is it focussing on basic functionality which should be available on Neo FreeRunner. Regards, Pander From list-openmoko at omoco.de Sun Mar 1 12:49:48 2009 From: list-openmoko at omoco.de (Sebastian Hammerl) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:49:48 +0100 Subject: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.1) In-Reply-To: <49A476EC.1050601@omoco.de> References: <49A09951.2030401@omoco.de> <49A476EC.1050601@omoco.de> Message-ID: <49AA765C.9090909@omoco.de> Debian package out now, thanks to petabyte. Sebastian Hammerl schrieb: > Soon after releasing i found a bug causes cellhunter to freeze. > > Sorry for that, the fixed version 0.4.1 is out now! > > check out http://cellhunter.omoco.de > > Sebastian > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > From liedekef at telenet.be Sun Mar 1 13:10:02 2009 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:10:02 +0100 Subject: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution In-Reply-To: <49AA741A.50406@users.sourceforge.net> References: <49AA741A.50406@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <20090301131002.7599941d@telenet.be> On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:40:10 +0100 Pander wrote: > Hi all, > > I have started a feature overview for out of the box SHR unstable > distribution. > > This will show the current status of the functionality you get after > installing SHR and using only the high level GUI to use and manage it. > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview > > This overview is both reflecting the currect status, as is it > focussing on basic functionality which should be available on Neo > FreeRunner. > > Regards, > > Pander > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Hi, you mention something about changing ringtones on the wiki, but that is still mostly commandline info. Why not mention shr-settings that can do this gui-wise (see http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-settings.git;a=commitdiff;h=f9fba44b7038f00bf2399df6e755779bfc511571)? And of course a small question: fso is very busy to using the opimd via paroli, so why doesn't shr start on this as well? I've checked the git repo, but haven't found anything lately that points to opimd usage ... Franky From list-openmoko at omoco.de Sun Mar 1 14:06:50 2009 From: list-openmoko at omoco.de (Sebastian Hammerl) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 14:06:50 +0100 Subject: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.2) In-Reply-To: <49A09951.2030401@omoco.de> References: <49A09951.2030401@omoco.de> Message-ID: <49AA886A.7000108@omoco.de> Just released 0.4.2 Changelog: now saving the type of the cell (serving or neighbour) this information is for some purpose very interesting. Sebastian From klemmster at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 15:09:10 2009 From: klemmster at gmail.com (Richy) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:09:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution In-Reply-To: <20090301131002.7599941d@telenet.be> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090301/0f817930/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 262 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090301/0f817930/attachment.pgp From mickey at openmoko.org Sun Mar 1 15:17:18 2009 From: mickey at openmoko.org (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:17:18 +0100 Subject: Want to keep up with times. In-Reply-To: <84d4d1wl75.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <9b1793840903010155t5b6e3624h4dac2011429f8f66@mail.gmail.com> <84d4d1wl75.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <1235917038.10602.1.camel@andromeda> See also http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/StandbyLifetime which are the results of a test I have conducted recently. :M: From vanous at penguin.cz Sun Mar 1 15:31:12 2009 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:31:12 +0100 Subject: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution References: <20090301131002.7599941d@telenet.be> Message-ID: <20090301153112.751783ea@penguin.cz> On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:09:10 +0100 (CET) Richy (R) wrote: >Concering GPS: It is true, that it isn't turned on at boot, but it is >turned on automatically if needed. > >The article sounds like it's a must to turn it on manually if you want >to use it. i think this causes confusion all the time, but in reality works great: you don't turn anything on or off, daemon runs all the time automatically from init scripts and if client (TangoGPS) connects to it, gps is auto turned on, after TangoGPS disconnects, gps is turned off. -- Petr Van?k From pander at users.sourceforge.net Sun Mar 1 15:41:25 2009 From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:41:25 +0100 Subject: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution In-Reply-To: <20090301153112.751783ea@penguin.cz> References: <20090301131002.7599941d@telenet.be> <20090301153112.751783ea@penguin.cz> Message-ID: <49AA9E95.209@users.sourceforge.net> Petr Vanek wrote: > On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:09:10 +0100 (CET) > Richy (R) wrote: > >> Concering GPS: It is true, that it isn't turned on at boot, but it is >> turned on automatically if needed. >> >> The article sounds like it's a must to turn it on manually if you want >> to use it. > > i think this causes confusion all the time, but in reality works great: > you don't turn anything on or off, daemon runs all the time > automatically from init scripts and if client (TangoGPS) connects to it, > gps is auto turned on, after TangoGPS disconnects, gps is turned off. as is documented here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview > > -- > Petr Van?k > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From guru at unixarea.de Sun Mar 1 15:56:02 2009 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:56:02 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.x] Wanted StarDict for my Openmoko In-Reply-To: References: <20090301075100.GA2853@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <20090301145602.GA13881@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Sunday, March 01, 2009 a las 11:50:04AM +0100, arne anka escribi?: > well, it is available in debian. so, with little effort you should be able > to use that for 2008.x (qt4, gtk and console frontend) -- far more > interesting, though, is the question what dicts are available. > debian offers english-czech only. I've found a Debian pkg stardict-gnome_3.0.1-4+b1_armel.deb in http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/s/stardict/ but this requires a lot of shared libs from Gnome (...) and each of these shared libs has to be extracted carefully from other Debian packages ... a lot of work, with perhaps at the end will give something which is not working either :-( matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 16:01:13 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:01:13 +0100 Subject: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution In-Reply-To: <49AA9E95.209@users.sourceforge.net> References: <20090301131002.7599941d@telenet.be> <20090301153112.751783ea@penguin.cz> <49AA9E95.209@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: Slow suspend isn't distro issue - it is your bootloader. If you will set loglevel=1 in kernel cmdline, suspend/resume would be much faster. "Overview Log (In, Out, Answered, All)" - it should be red, instead of orange, as it probably won't be implemented in nearly future. "headphones work, microphone does not work" - can you say more about that? Looks like actual SHR-unstable is stable enough to be new testing image, which we want to release in few days ;) After that we will work on opimd integration and few other "cutting-edge" functionalities (so it won't be so stable then!) ;) From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 16:04:26 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:04:26 +0100 Subject: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution In-Reply-To: References: <20090301131002.7599941d@telenet.be> <20090301153112.751783ea@penguin.cz> <49AA9E95.209@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 16:01, Johny Tenfinger wrote: > "Overview Log (In, Out, Answered, All)" - it should be red, instead of > orange, as it probably won't be implemented in nearly future. Oh, i'm wrong. I thought that it is all about Illume integration, not only hint "it should be" :) As "won't be implemented" I mean integration with Illume of course, as pyphonelog is working well :) From rask at sygehus.dk Sun Mar 1 16:07:57 2009 From: rask at sygehus.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:07:57 +0100 Subject: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution In-Reply-To: <49AA9E95.209@users.sourceforge.net> References: <20090301131002.7599941d@telenet.be> <20090301153112.751783ea@penguin.cz> <49AA9E95.209@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <20090301150757.GI3078@sygehus.dk> On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 03:41:25PM +0100, Pander wrote: > Petr Vanek wrote: > > On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:09:10 +0100 (CET) > > Richy (R) wrote: > > > >> Concering GPS: It is true, that it isn't turned on at boot, but it is > >> turned on automatically if needed. > >> > >> The article sounds like it's a must to turn it on manually if you want > >> to use it. > > > > i think this causes confusion all the time, but in reality works great: > > you don't turn anything on or off, daemon runs all the time > > automatically from init scripts and if client (TangoGPS) connects to it, > > gps is auto turned on, after TangoGPS disconnects, gps is turned off. > > as is documented here > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview Yes, but look at , where it says you need to do so manually. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 16:16:05 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:16:05 +0100 Subject: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution In-Reply-To: <20090301150757.GI3078@sygehus.dk> References: <20090301131002.7599941d@telenet.be> <20090301153112.751783ea@penguin.cz> <49AA9E95.209@users.sourceforge.net> <20090301150757.GI3078@sygehus.dk> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 16:07, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote: > ? Yes, but look at > , where it > says you need to do so manually. And that's wrong. From lida_mail at 163.com Sun Mar 1 16:19:14 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:19:14 +0800 Subject: Vido play discontinuously, any idea? Message-ID: <1235920754.7097.7.camel@daniel-laptop> Dear List, I have tried http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player Even using "mencoder Britney.Spears-Toxic.640x480.pdahd.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:vbitrate=300 -vf scale=320:240,eq2=1.2:0.5:-0.25,rotate=2 -oac mp3lame -ofps 15 -lameopts br=64:cbr -o Britney.Spears.avi" to convert avi movie, etc. But nothing helps, all avi and mp3 plays discontinuously. Is there anyone familiar with this part, please help to point me to the right place. If there is a wiki or blog already, a link will be OK. Any idea is mostly appreciated. Thanks -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From openmoko at ginguppin.de Sun Mar 1 16:32:56 2009 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:32:56 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.x] Wanted StarDict for my Openmoko In-Reply-To: <20090301145602.GA13881@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20090301075100.GA2853@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20090301145602.GA13881@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: > I've found a Debian pkg stardict-gnome_3.0.1-4+b1_armel.deb in > http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/s/stardict/ . since stardict is part of debian proper, every mirror should have it, for all supported archs including armel (which is the name of the fr's arch). these are the packages a superficial search hits debian-gta02:~# apt-cache search stardict dictconv - convert a dictionary file type in another dictionary file type qstardict - International dictionary written using Qt4 sdcv - StarDict Console Version stardict - International dictionary stardict-common - International dictionary - data files stardict-gnome - International dictionary for GNOME 2 stardict-gtk - International dictionary written in GTK+ 2.x stardict-plugin - International dictionary - common plugins stardict-plugin-espeak - International dictionary - eSpeak TTS plugin stardict-plugin-festival - International dictionary - Festival TTS plugin stardict-plugin-gucharmap - International dictionary - gucharmap plugin stardict-plugin-spell - International dictionary - spell plugin stardict-tools - The dictionary conversion tools of stardict stardict-xmlittre - French Littr trying to install lists this: # apt-get install stardict-gtk Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following extra packages will be installed: docbook-xml libscrollkeeper0 libsigc++-2.0-0c2a scrollkeeper sgml-base sgml-data stardict-common xml-core Suggested packages: docbook docbook-dsssl docbook-xsl docbook-defguide logrotate sgml-base-doc perlsgml doc-html-w3 opensp ttf-freefont ttf-thryomanes ttf-arphic-uming Recommended packages: stardict-plugin-espeak stardict-plugin-festival stardict-plugin The following NEW packages will be installed: docbook-xml libscrollkeeper0 libsigc++-2.0-0c2a scrollkeeper sgml-base sgml-data stardict-common stardict-gtk xml-core 0 upgraded, 9 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 1464kB of archives. After this operation, 8636kB of additional disk space will be used. with all these deps it might be sensible to build the package on its own -- things like scrollkeeper or docbook seem pretty nonsensical to the core functionality. from the screenshots i've seen, i am not sure inhowfar stardict's gui matches the constraints of the fr, though, sdcv might be a better choice. From aapo.rantalainen at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 16:44:33 2009 From: aapo.rantalainen at gmail.com (Aapo Rantalainen) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:44:33 +0200 Subject: Problem installing apache webserver on my FreeRunner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://cc.oulu.fi/~rantalai/freerunner/aa-http/ Thanks Timo for your thoughts. Case: User Adam start server on directory, where Bob has write access. (this is bad habits anyway) Someone asks file from server. Server first check file size and then loads it. Bob can change file between those steps and it causes buffer overflow. (and if Adam is root, this is critical) I eliminate warnings and memory leaks. (can be compiled -Wall -Wextra cleanly) I use valgrind to find memory leaks, and it founds something with threading. I read manuals and found this solution, but valgrind is not satisfated. // I try that every thread frees its memory when it is ready: pthread_attr_t pattr; pthread_attr_init(&pattr); pthread_attr_setdetachstate(&pattr, PTHREAD_CREATE_DETACHED); pthread_create(&handling_thread, &pattr, handle_connection, (void *)new_conection_socket); -Aapo Rantalainen From pander at users.sourceforge.net Sun Mar 1 17:07:16 2009 From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 17:07:16 +0100 Subject: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution In-Reply-To: References: <20090301131002.7599941d@telenet.be> <20090301153112.751783ea@penguin.cz> <49AA9E95.209@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <49AAB2B4.2090404@users.sourceforge.net> Johny Tenfinger wrote: > Slow suspend isn't distro issue - it is your bootloader. Will this be fixed in the boot loader? (ticket) Should one already use Qi with current SHR unstable distro? If you will > set loglevel=1 in kernel cmdline, suspend/resume would be much faster. I assume this won't be necessary once the bootloader is fixed regarding this? From guru at unixarea.de Sun Mar 1 17:08:03 2009 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:08:03 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.x] Wanted StarDict for my Openmoko In-Reply-To: References: <20090301075100.GA2853@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20090301145602.GA13881@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <20090301160803.GA25225@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Sunday, March 01, 2009 a las 04:32:56PM +0100, arne anka escribi?: ... > with all these deps it might be sensible to build the package on its own > -- things like scrollkeeper or docbook seem pretty nonsensical to the core > functionality. > from the screenshots i've seen, i am not sure inhowfar stardict's gui > matches the constraints of the fr, though, sdcv might be a better choice. Thx for your hint; I've installed sdcv_0.4.2-9_armel.deb (which needed libreadline.so.5 in addition) but this is working now with my dics and would be sufficient for me; one problem remains: it produces UTF-8 output; is there a xterm in FR which does UTF-8? matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ From onen.om at free.fr Sun Mar 1 17:10:36 2009 From: onen.om at free.fr (Onen) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 17:10:36 +0100 Subject: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning) In-Reply-To: <20090223210118.GA7114@excalibur.local> References: <499E6FB0.10902@free.fr> <20090220151809.GC30831@excalibur.local> <499EF531.3050609@free.fr> <20090220190004.GG32572@excalibur.local> <20090222224837.GA17713@excalibur.local> <20090223210118.GA7114@excalibur.local> Message-ID: <49AAB37C.4060201@free.fr> Hi, Stefan Schmidt wrote: >> It is Python based, so the files in the package are the source file. > > Yep, I'm aware of that. > >> You will find in the package everything needed: >> source code, desktop file, images, glade file, authors, licenses, etc... > > Yep, this is also known. It's not the first software I bring into OE which then > builds such ipk's :) > Don't get me wrong. I know you have much deeper knowledge than I have in Python, ipk, and OE. I must admit that as I was writing the answer, I was thinking: that cannot be what he wants from me, I must be missing his point. I meant no offence. > Let me explain my point a bit more. You are writing the software and releasing a > new version when you think new features are implemented or bugs are fixed. In > the FOSS world is is normally done as atarball that includes all the source > files ready to build. Now python has nothing that needs compiling but it still > needs to get packaged in a way that makes it easy for user to install it. You > have done this yourself when preparing your ipk. > Ok. I thought the ipk would be sufficient. Now I understand what you were expecting. > But this package may need adjustment from time to time when other parts of the > system change so it is always good to build it together with the rest of an > image and have it in the so called feeds where the user can easily install it > over the package management. > > That's what I like to do for you. You have more or less the same setup as the > cellhunter game: Python scripts, desktop file, icon, etc. > Sure I know how much better it is to have the software in the feeds. And I thank you for helping me with this! > I just packaged this and Sebastian provides an tarball with all the files flat > in the dir with package name and version and OE takes care of the rest. > >> If you need a tarball, I will try to put something together out of my freerunner >> tomorrow. > > Hmm, you have no kind of version control? Let me say you that this is a bad > habbit. Learned my lesson. :/ I did not have a public one. I wanted to have something sufficient, clean and stable enough, before going public. But I was away from my computer for some days, and only had access to my freerunner or the ipk on the website. > > Back to the point. Yes, I would need a tarball, or a public available SCM. For a > tarball please use something like this as name: > For what I have understood, you would prefer a SCM. And now that first release is out, the first point on my TODO list was exactly that. You will find a git tree at: http://myposition.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=myposition;a=tree I have two question about this: * is it good enough as it is for you? * is there anything I could do to ease your work of pushing to OE (structure, names, ...)? When this will be "validated" by you, I will tag it 0.1.0. In case of, I also updated the download area of SF, with the tar.gz file: https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=218065&package_id=310952 > $applicationname-0.3.0.tar.gz > > Which then should contain a directory with the same name but without file > ending: > $applicationname-0.3.0 > > Inside this dir just put your files and I take care that they are installed > properly within the ipk. > > regards > Stefan Schmidt > Thanks again for helping! Onen From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 17:11:29 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:11:29 +0100 Subject: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution In-Reply-To: <49AAB2B4.2090404@users.sourceforge.net> References: <20090301131002.7599941d@telenet.be> <20090301153112.751783ea@penguin.cz> <49AA9E95.209@users.sourceforge.net> <49AAB2B4.2090404@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 17:07, Pander wrote: > Will this be fixed in the boot loader? (ticket) Bootloader is not part of SHR. From onen.om at free.fr Sun Mar 1 17:12:26 2009 From: onen.om at free.fr (Onen) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 17:12:26 +0100 Subject: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.2) In-Reply-To: <49AA886A.7000108@omoco.de> References: <49A09951.2030401@omoco.de> <49AA886A.7000108@omoco.de> Message-ID: <49AAB3EA.4080107@free.fr> Hallo Sebastian, as stated before, I think we should join our forces, to build only one GSM logger. I have the feeling we implement same things each on his side... Are you interested? Onen Sebastian Hammerl wrote: > Just released 0.4.2 > > Changelog: now saving the type of the cell (serving or neighbour) > > this information is for some purpose very interesting. > > Sebastian > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Sun Mar 1 17:17:11 2009 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:17:11 +0200 Subject: Problem installing apache webserver on my FreeRunner In-Reply-To: (Aapo Rantalainen's message of "Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:44:33 +0200") References: Message-ID: <841vthw73s.fsf@sauna.l.org> Aapo Rantalainen writes: > I eliminate warnings and memory leaks. (can be compiled -Wall -Wextra cleanly) > I use valgrind to find memory leaks, and it founds something with > threading. I read manuals and found this solution, but valgrind is not > satisfated. Also things like safe_malloc(10000000*sizeof(char)); all around the code sound very suspious and potentially eat a lot of memory. From tsaiharry at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 17:30:19 2009 From: tsaiharry at gmail.com (Harry Tsai) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:30:19 +0800 Subject: Harry's openmoko suvey, Please help !!! Message-ID: <66de42ca0903010830w7fe1d33cs116c8070622e816f@mail.gmail.com> Dear Community, Sorry, I really need your help to fill the survey, I will very appreciate your kindly help !!! http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry Thanks and BR Harry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have the feeling we implement same things each on his side... > > Are you interested? > > Onen > > Sebastian Hammerl wrote: > >> Just released 0.4.2 >> >> Changelog: now saving the type of the cell (serving or neighbour) >> >> this information is for some purpose very interesting. >> >> Sebastian >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <66de42ca0903010830w7fe1d33cs116c8070622e816f@mail.gmail.com> References: <66de42ca0903010830w7fe1d33cs116c8070622e816f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26fea52c0903010838i4793f3f9m113ac65a61419f70@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Harry Tsai wrote: > Dear Community, > Sorry, I really need your help to fill the survey, I will very appreciate > your kindly help !!! already done and i would encourage others to do so as well > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry > > Thanks and BR > this is why i'm mailing; what does BR stand for? :) > Harry y From openmitko at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 17:51:35 2009 From: openmitko at gmail.com (OpenMitko) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:51:35 +0200 Subject: Neon 0.9.8 is out In-Reply-To: References: <49A88759.9040002@easter-eggs.com> Message-ID: <65c86d230903010851o77034695icd45a7d15048c337@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Valery! Neon is one of my favorite apps :) 2009/2/28 Risto H. Kurppa > On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Valery Febvre > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > A new release of Neon is available. > > > > Changes since 0.9.6 : > > Great, thanks for the update (& fixing the opkg.org package problem, > it now installs without problems :) > > r > > > > -- > | risto h. kurppa > | risto at kurppa dot fi > | http://risto.kurppa.fi > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090301/18dbf7f6/attachment.htm From tsaiharry at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 17:51:44 2009 From: tsaiharry at gmail.com (Harry Tsai) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:51:44 +0800 Subject: Harry's openmoko suvey, Please help !!! In-Reply-To: <26fea52c0903010838i4793f3f9m113ac65a61419f70@mail.gmail.com> References: <66de42ca0903010830w7fe1d33cs116c8070622e816f@mail.gmail.com> <26fea52c0903010838i4793f3f9m113ac65a61419f70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <66de42ca0903010851j7d627a5byc5153190e392fc8a@mail.gmail.com> Thank you very much!!! BR= best regard :D Harry 2009/3/2 Yorick Moko > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Harry Tsai wrote: > > Dear Community, > > Sorry, I really need your help to fill the survey, I will very appreciate > > your kindly help !!! > > already done and i would encourage others to do so as well > > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry > > > > Thanks and BR > > > this is why i'm mailing; > what does BR stand for? :) > > > Harry > y > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <66de42ca0903010830w7fe1d33cs116c8070622e816f@mail.gmail.com> <26fea52c0903010838i4793f3f9m113ac65a61419f70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <66de42ca0903010917pcc5ebedvf0b1af26efb1bf9c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/2 B > Yorick Moko wrote: > >> > > this is why i'm mailing; > > what does BR stand for? :) > > > > > Along those same lines, what is RD/HW and RD/SW in the survey? I'm > guessing research and development/hardware and research and > development/software. Yes, you are right!! maybe I should modify it to more clearly.thanks !! > > > Ben > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090302/e05c611a/attachment.htm From mail at 3v1n0.net Sun Mar 1 18:31:19 2009 From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:31:19 +0100 Subject: [Debian] e17 screen lock In-Reply-To: <87sklyi784.fsf@ashbery.wjsullivan.net> References: <87sklyi784.fsf@ashbery.wjsullivan.net> Message-ID: John Sullivan ha scritto: > So, I build e17 from svn and use it with illume on Debian. > > By default, the e screen locking function goes to a password lock, which > obviously isn't good for the FR. I know that on SHR using illume this > instead goes to a simpler lock mechanism that can be unlocked just by > pushing a button or whatever. > > Can anyone suggest how I can get behavior like this instead of the > password lock? Go in enlightenment configuration -> Input -> Key bindings -> Keycode-177 define it as Simple Desktop Lock. -- Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ From bernd.pruenster at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 18:31:50 2009 From: bernd.pruenster at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Bernd_=28Jesus_McCloud=29_Pr=FCnster=22?=) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:31:50 +0100 Subject: Finger friendly browse keyboard In-Reply-To: <1235894200.12720.25.camel@rattus> References: <49A69E96.5070609@users.sourceforge.net> <87ljrqkgna.fsf@ashbery.wjsullivan.net> <49A9260F.2040308@users.sourceforge.net> <1235823697.24699.9.camel@rattus> <49A9790F.7040800@googlemail.com> <1235894200.12720.25.camel@rattus> Message-ID: <49AAC686.9020204@googlemail.com> William Kenworthy schrieb: > No, I mean remove both the other two keyboards so only terminal is left. > Then the word space and switcher are redundant and they both can be > removed saving space. My fingers are too fat to use either of those > two, the dictionary is hopeless and they take forever to type a message > as you are always trying to fix the mistakes they make, stroking the > keyboard rarely works properly so you are continually trying to > select/delete or whatever and failing. As the default always pops up > first until you select terminal, its better to remove them altogether > (and they always pop up first when writing an sms for example) Just change the kbd type of the terminal kbd from TERMINAL to ALPHA an the terminal kbd is your default one From mail at 3v1n0.net Sun Mar 1 18:43:41 2009 From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:43:41 +0100 Subject: Neon 0.9.8 is out In-Reply-To: <49A88759.9040002@easter-eggs.com> References: <49A88759.9040002@easter-eggs.com> Message-ID: Valery Febvre wrote: > Hi, > > A new release of Neon is available. Nice... I was thinking... What about supporting a kind of plugins to be as photos backends? I mean, the default plugin is the one that allow to browse in your disk as it actually does (but maybe adding also some optional image thumbnails), then people could wrote plugins for different photo inputs (like flickr, picasa, zooomr but also for comic sites and so on!). -- Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ From armadilo at roadknightlabs.com Sun Mar 1 18:48:33 2009 From: armadilo at roadknightlabs.com (Steve " 'dillo" Okay) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:48:33 +0100 Subject: Where is urlparse ? Message-ID: I'm working on porting a python app that uses simplejson and having some module problems. I have Python 2.6 installed on my Linux server and OS X laptop and with both of them the urlparse module comes with the base Python install. It appears to be missing in the opkg python 2.6 package though. Did this get separated out into it's own opkg or stripped out entirely ? It seems kind of odd that it would just be completely removed. It's a pretty important module to have around if you don't want to have to write your own URI/URL decoding library. Any help you can give would be appreciated. Thanks, -----Steve From desnotes at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 18:51:43 2009 From: desnotes at gmail.com (Michael Fisher) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:51:43 -0500 Subject: Harry's openmoko suvey, Please help !!! In-Reply-To: <66de42ca0903010830w7fe1d33cs116c8070622e816f@mail.gmail.com> References: <66de42ca0903010830w7fe1d33cs116c8070622e816f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3461d5200903010951v61fd844ar83782d64ab7ddbc4@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Harry Tsai wrote: > Dear Community, > Sorry, I really need your help to fill the survey, I will very appreciate > your kindly help !!! > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry > > Thanks and BR > > > Harry > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > I'm getting a network timeout or bad url when attempting to click on survey link. Maybe too busy?? -- Michael Fisher desNotes at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Really, > should be a commented example in the frameword.conf file itself - would > be a lot easier for users. > > BillK > I was talking about the example file in git on freesmartphone.org . Setting zonesources = NONE and having properly configured /etc/localtime and /etc/timezone does the trick for me. Angus From mail at 3v1n0.net Sun Mar 1 19:01:44 2009 From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 19:01:44 +0100 Subject: SHR first impression : it's slow ? In-Reply-To: <20090223202624.7664ec80@j.newkirk.us> References: <49A26AFF.7010307@dfki.de> <49A277D0.7090208@nlpagan.net> <49A2B52B.5090802@hist.no> <26fea52c0902230649x3374ddd4t90aa0be0f6eb20ef@mail.gmail.com> <20090223202624.7664ec80@j.newkirk.us> Message-ID: Joel Newkirk wrote: > BTW - the speed with which those icons scroll is how fast the main > Illume icons /should/ be able to be dragged, but with the Illume theme > as it currently stands (with FSO M5 and SHR at least) each 'desktop' > icon is adorned with multiple transparent PNG files layered to create > pretty buttons, and scrolling becomes dramatically slower than what you > are probably familiar with from the base ASU theme with 2008.x. > > I (and surely others) am working on a leaner, faster theme - any > eye-candy that distinctly impacts the user experience should NOT be > default, and in this case we desperately need a simple and fast theme > as the default or the immediate impression users will get is: "Damn, > this is slow!" Well, I think that the configuration panel icons can be dragged really quickly. I'm using e17-svn with the default theme and the software-x11-16 engine and the finger scrolling there is very fast and generally smooth. The main issue stays in the desktop, where the icon-dragging is really very slow. This must be really fixed. -- Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ From daniel at openmoko.org Sun Mar 1 19:07:48 2009 From: daniel at openmoko.org (Daniel Willmann) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:07:48 +0100 Subject: Zhone SMS In-Reply-To: <20090217123402.69f28862.zoup@zoup.org> References: <20090217010203.82359df7.zoup@zoup.org> <843aeet5ok.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20090217101132.5aef5245.zoup@zoup.org> <20090217101654.685434cf.zoup@zoup.org> <20090217123402.69f28862.zoup@zoup.org> Message-ID: <20090301190748.15d644bf@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:34:02 +0330 Armin ranjbar wrote: > On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:53:41 +0100 > M?ns Malmberg wrote: > > > and with with FSO Zhone showed the SMS icon as disabled. On an old > > Ericsson phone I could see that I received a garbled SMS (probably > > an MMS) and by removing that everything started to work again. > > that did fixed it, i guess bunch of AT commands will do the same, i > have used some siemes phone which is one step more advanced than > normal calculators :)) Do you still have the message that caused the problem? It would be good to fix ogsmd if there's a specific PDU that causes a problem. Regards, Daniel Willmann -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On an old > > > Ericsson phone I could see that I received a garbled SMS (probably > > > an MMS) and by removing that everything started to work again. > > > > that did fixed it, i guess bunch of AT commands will do the same, i > > have used some siemes phone which is one step more advanced than > > normal calculators :)) > > Do you still have the message that caused the problem? It would be good > to fix ogsmd if there's a specific PDU that causes a problem. > > Regards, > Daniel Willmann > no but that happens typically over unicode message, how can i 'dump' sms message while zhone is unable to receive ? -- Armin ranjbar , System Administrator From rask at sygehus.dk Sun Mar 1 19:25:00 2009 From: rask at sygehus.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:25:00 +0100 Subject: GUI for SHR fast charge mode: possible? In-Reply-To: <20090222132005.02590473@j.newkirk.us> References: <49A17F50.6010005@gmail.com> <20090222132005.02590473@j.newkirk.us> Message-ID: <20090301182500.GL3078@sygehus.dk> On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 01:20:05PM -0500, Joel Newkirk wrote: > On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:37:36 +0100 > Francesco de Virgilio wrote: > > > IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > > '/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/charger_type' > > /sys/class/power_supply/adapter/type > (I think...) There's no direct equivalent to charger_type. $ head /sys/class/power_supply/*/type ==> /sys/class/power_supply/ac/type <== Mains ==> /sys/class/power_supply/adapter/type <== Mains ==> /sys/class/power_supply/battery/type <== Battery ==> /sys/class/power_supply/usb/type <== USB $ head /sys/class/power_supply/*/online ==> /sys/class/power_supply/ac/online <== 1 ==> /sys/class/power_supply/adapter/online <== 0 ==> /sys/class/power_supply/battery/online <== 1 ==> /sys/class/power_supply/usb/online <== 0 Note that unless you solder in such a thing yourself, the GTA01 and GTA02 don't have an adapter input. Also, in latest andy-tracking the USB vs. ac detection is broken (as is the case in the example above). > > For me the fast-charging mode is really important to use the Neo in my > > car, which adaptor for default provides only 100 mhA. Is there a way > > to set quickly fast-charge mode on SHR unstable? > > /sys/class/power_supply/ac/device/force_usb_limit_dangerous That will be /sys/class/power_supply/ac/device/usb_curlim in 2.6.29. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year From daniel at openmoko.org Sun Mar 1 19:45:16 2009 From: daniel at openmoko.org (Daniel Willmann) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:45:16 +0100 Subject: Zhone SMS In-Reply-To: <20090301215449.f121c58b.zoup@zoup.org> References: <20090217010203.82359df7.zoup@zoup.org> <843aeet5ok.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20090217101132.5aef5245.zoup@zoup.org> <20090217101654.685434cf.zoup@zoup.org> <20090217123402.69f28862.zoup@zoup.org> <20090301190748.15d644bf@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> <20090301215449.f121c58b.zoup@zoup.org> Message-ID: <20090301194516.70db42b7@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:54:49 +0330 Armin ranjbar wrote: > On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:07:48 +0100 > Daniel Willmann wrote: > > > Do you still have the message that caused the problem? It would be > > good to fix ogsmd if there's a specific PDU that causes a problem. > > no but that happens typically over unicode message, how can i 'dump' > sms message while zhone is unable to receive ? Okay, unicode messages that make problems are very much welcome. If you could try with a recent version of ogsmd that would be even better. If you know which index that PDU has you can dump that PDU through mickeyterm: root at om-gta02:/usr/sbin# mickeyterm read history from /home/root/.mickeyterm_history <----------- Mickey's Term V2.9.1 @ /dev/pts/0 -----------> AT-Command Interpreter ready AT+CMEE=2;+CRC=1 OK at+cmgr=25 at+cmgr=25 +CMGR: 3,,34 079194710716000001B60C91947110325476000018F4F29C0E6A97E7F3F0B90CBAA7E968901EFD769741 OK If you don't know which message causes the problems you can also dump them all: at+cmgl=4 +CMGL: 1,1,,125 [...] +CMGL: 2,1,,138 [...] +CMGL: 3,1,,155 [...] and so on.. Regards, Daniel Willmann -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090301/dcb4b6e4/attachment.pgp From daniel at openmoko.org Sun Mar 1 19:57:22 2009 From: daniel at openmoko.org (Daniel Willmann) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:57:22 +0100 Subject: [Freerunner] Access GPS chip's parameters and navigational models? In-Reply-To: <389eeb980901140918j57711c1amc1f3449aa43aac9e@mail.gmail.com> References: <389eeb980901140918j57711c1amc1f3449aa43aac9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090301195722.130f8be2@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:18:26 +0100 Olivier Migeot wrote: > I'm currently experimenting things with the Antaris chip, and I'm > starting to like it - at least through FSO and it's gpsd compatibility > layer. I've been browsing through the UBX protocol specification, and > I stumbled upon one interesting parameter : the dynamic platform model > of the navigational unit. > > Simply put : using this, we should be able to explain our chip that we > are either by car or by foot, and get more serious tracklogs > (providing this is doable, 'cause the doc states "(SW Versions 3.04 > and higher)", so I'm not sure whether or not we qualify). Changing the dynamics model is working with our chip. Adding a configuration interface for ogpsd to change these and similar settings has been on my list for some time. Since I'm done with with this semester's exams and SMS seems to be almost done I'll be thinking/working on this during March. > Hoping that we do (well, ignoring that maybe we don't, actually), I > tried to feed the setting to the chip. The CFG-NAV2 UBX message that > does that is 40 bytes long, and contains loooot of more or less > related information, which I certainly don't know how to feed. So I > tried to first _get_ the setting, and re-set it verbatim (give or take > the said parameter). But though there is a tool to generate UBX > messages (ubxgen.py, on > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GPS ), I can't find a > (successful) way to get the result from the chip. From my view, I > should cat the commands to ttySAC1 and then read it. But I get nothing > exciting that way... You should get either a ubx packet of type ACK-ACK or ACK-NACK depending on whether the chip accepted your CFG-NAV packet. Regards, Daniel Willmann -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Mike From daniel at openmoko.org Sun Mar 1 20:31:16 2009 From: daniel at openmoko.org (Daniel Willmann) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:31:16 +0100 Subject: thoughts on A-GPS offline In-Reply-To: References: <1234833062165-2338403.post@n2.nabble.com> <1234870139620-2340272.post@n2.nabble.com> <84y6w5qohx.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <20090301203116.2faeb8a7@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> Hello, On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:07:54 +0100 Rikard Nilsson wrote: > would it be possible to get the satelite information that we get from > u-blox from somewhere else? > somewhere that dont require user account? there are three possibilities that I see here: 1) mirror the data from u-blox somewhere 2) See whether we can use the information from http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/orbits/ to provide our own aiding data 3) Set up a stationary GPS receiver and use aiding data from there 1: Someone said that u-blox explicitly allows redistribution of their AGPS online data. This would be great since we already have all the data in UBX format. 2: Calculating almanac/ephemeris data from the files present in ftp://igs.ensg.ign.fr/pub/igs/products/ should be possible, but is far less straight forward than variant 1. Additionally to studying ICD-GPS-200 (http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/PUBS/gps/icd200/icd200cw1234.pdf) one would need to parse the sp3c format: ftp://igscb.jpl.nasa.gov/pub/data/format/sp3c.txt 3: This would be a pretty simple and good way of setting up our own aiding server if 1 doesn't work out. The problem with this approach is that we only get ephemeris for SVs in our view so if I set up one station in Germany it wont help at all in the US. This could be worked around by having many such stations all over the world. Now that hot-/warmstart with ephemeris playback works with the framework we should try to get an open server with aiding data available ASAP. Regards, Daniel Willmann -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090301/9e0ce777/attachment.pgp From vanous at penguin.cz Sun Mar 1 21:19:01 2009 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:19:01 +0100 Subject: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution References: <20090301131002.7599941d@telenet.be> <20090301153112.751783ea@penguin.cz> <49AA9E95.209@users.sourceforge.net> <49AAB2B4.2090404@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <20090301211901.0ceb6b35@penguin.cz> On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:11:29 +0100 Johny Tenfinger (JT) wrote: >On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 17:07, Pander >wrote: >> Will this be fixed in the boot loader? (ticket) > >Bootloader is not part of SHR. shr already supports /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin, why not just include /boot/append-GTA02 with loglevel=1 inside and from _not_ours_ we have _solved_ -- Petr Van?k From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 21:38:57 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:38:57 +0100 Subject: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution In-Reply-To: <20090301211901.0ceb6b35@penguin.cz> References: <20090301131002.7599941d@telenet.be> <20090301153112.751783ea@penguin.cz> <49AA9E95.209@users.sourceforge.net> <49AAB2B4.2090404@users.sourceforge.net> <20090301211901.0ceb6b35@penguin.cz> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 21:19, Petr Vanek wrote: > shr already supports ?/boot/uImage-GTA02.bin, why not just > include /boot/append-GTA02 with loglevel=1 inside and from _not_ours_ > we have _solved_ No, we don't have solved, as that would be fix only for systems on microsd cards and only with Qi. AFAIK Qi already sets low loglevel as default (as u-boot in NOR), so fix is needed by people, who use u-boot (in NAND of course). And that fix isn't suitable for u-boot systems. From sxpert at sxpert.org Sun Mar 1 21:39:25 2009 From: sxpert at sxpert.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl?= Jacquot) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:39:25 +0100 Subject: thoughts on A-GPS offline In-Reply-To: <20090301203116.2faeb8a7@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> References: <1234833062165-2338403.post@n2.nabble.com> <1234870139620-2340272.post@n2.nabble.com> <84y6w5qohx.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20090301203116.2faeb8a7@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> Message-ID: <20090301203925.GA6714@sxpert.org> On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 08:31:16PM +0100, Daniel Willmann wrote: > Now that hot-/warmstart with ephemeris playback works with the framework > we should try to get an open server with aiding data available ASAP. is there a way to get the ephemeris data from the gps receiver at some point ? it could be stored on the phone and used as a calculation aide... From vanous at penguin.cz Sun Mar 1 21:54:51 2009 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:54:51 +0100 Subject: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution References: <20090301131002.7599941d@telenet.be> <20090301153112.751783ea@penguin.cz> <49AA9E95.209@users.sourceforge.net> <49AAB2B4.2090404@users.sourceforge.net> <20090301211901.0ceb6b35@penguin.cz> Message-ID: <20090301215451.71117eb7@penguin.cz> >No, we don't have solved, as that would be fix only for systems on >microsd cards and only with Qi. AFAIK Qi already sets low loglevel as >default (as u-boot in NOR), so fix is needed by people, who use u-boot >(in NAND of course). And that fix isn't suitable for u-boot systems. correct... hmm we could perhaps provide boot_env image with correct parameters... but then they would have to flash it... anyhow... the bottom line is, though that once people flash shr on a standard freerunner, the suspend/resume will be slow. -- Petr Van?k From meng.qingyou at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 21:57:30 2009 From: meng.qingyou at gmail.com (mqy) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:57:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: thoughts on A-GPS offline In-Reply-To: <20090301203925.GA6714@sxpert.org> References: <1234833062165-2338403.post@n2.nabble.com> <1234870139620-2340272.post@n2.nabble.com> <84y6w5qohx.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20090301203116.2faeb8a7@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> <20090301203925.GA6714@sxpert.org> Message-ID: <1235941050516-2406026.post@n2.nabble.com> U-blox receiver allows polling AID-EPH, AID-ALM data. For each type, we can poll 32 messages for 32 satellites. The precondition is: current fix is valid -- at least 3 SVs has valid EPH(or ALM?) data. These data get invalid 2~4 hours later, can be stored into files, and load into GPS receiver when needed and they are valid. I've tried this, not sure whether it works or not, need more tests:) AGPS-online works fine. Rapha?l Jacquot wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 08:31:16PM +0100, Daniel Willmann wrote: >> Now that hot-/warmstart with ephemeris playback works with the framework >> we should try to get an open server with aiding data available ASAP. > > is there a way to get the ephemeris data from the gps receiver at some > point ? > it could be stored on the phone and used as a calculation aide... > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/thoughts-on-A-GPS-offline-tp2338403p2406026.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 21:59:13 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:59:13 +0100 Subject: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution In-Reply-To: <20090301215451.71117eb7@penguin.cz> References: <20090301131002.7599941d@telenet.be> <20090301153112.751783ea@penguin.cz> <49AA9E95.209@users.sourceforge.net> <49AAB2B4.2090404@users.sourceforge.net> <20090301211901.0ceb6b35@penguin.cz> <20090301215451.71117eb7@penguin.cz> Message-ID: I think FR users should be able to change loglevel manually ;) From sxpert at sxpert.org Sun Mar 1 22:00:22 2009 From: sxpert at sxpert.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl?= Jacquot) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:00:22 +0100 Subject: thoughts on A-GPS offline In-Reply-To: <1235941050516-2406026.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1234833062165-2338403.post@n2.nabble.com> <1234870139620-2340272.post@n2.nabble.com> <84y6w5qohx.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20090301203116.2faeb8a7@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> <20090301203925.GA6714@sxpert.org> <1235941050516-2406026.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20090301210022.GB6714@sxpert.org> On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 12:57:30PM -0800, mqy wrote: > > U-blox receiver allows polling AID-EPH, AID-ALM data. > For each type, we can poll 32 messages for 32 satellites. > The precondition is: current fix is valid -- at least 3 SVs has valid EPH(or > ALM?) data. > > These data get invalid 2~4 hours later, > can be stored into files, and load into GPS receiver when needed and they > are valid. they can probably still be used to get a rough estimate From mok at mnet-online.de Sun Mar 1 22:23:04 2009 From: mok at mnet-online.de (Klaus Kurzmann) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:23:04 +0100 Subject: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution In-Reply-To: <20090301215451.71117eb7@penguin.cz> References: <20090301131002.7599941d@telenet.be> <20090301153112.751783ea@penguin.cz> <49AA9E95.209@users.sourceforge.net> <49AAB2B4.2090404@users.sourceforge.net> <20090301211901.0ceb6b35@penguin.cz> <20090301215451.71117eb7@penguin.cz> Message-ID: <20090301212304.GB17196@fluxnetz.de> * Petr Vanek [090301 21:59]: > >No, we don't have solved, as that would be fix only for systems on > >microsd cards and only with Qi. AFAIK Qi already sets low loglevel as > >default (as u-boot in NOR), so fix is needed by people, who use u-boot > >(in NAND of course). And that fix isn't suitable for u-boot systems. > correct... hmm we could perhaps provide boot_env image with correct > parameters... but then they would have to flash it... anyhow... > the bottom line is, though that once people flash shr on a standard > freerunner, the suspend/resume will be slow. well... I can't see how this is SHR related... resume will be slow on anything they flash, no? Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann From daniel at openmoko.org Sun Mar 1 22:32:35 2009 From: daniel at openmoko.org (Daniel Willmann) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:32:35 +0100 Subject: thoughts on A-GPS offline In-Reply-To: <20090301203925.GA6714@sxpert.org> References: <1234833062165-2338403.post@n2.nabble.com> <1234870139620-2340272.post@n2.nabble.com> <84y6w5qohx.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20090301203116.2faeb8a7@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> <20090301203925.GA6714@sxpert.org> Message-ID: <20090301223235.74e907aa@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:39:25 +0100 Rapha?l Jacquot wrote: > On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 08:31:16PM +0100, Daniel Willmann wrote: > > Now that hot-/warmstart with ephemeris playback works with the > > framework we should try to get an open server with aiding data > > available ASAP. > > is there a way to get the ephemeris data from the gps receiver at > some point ? it could be stored on the phone and used as a > calculation aide... Yes and that's what ogpsd does already. It has been saving/restoring almanac for months, ephemeris was disabled up until recently because there was a bug that prevented the GPS chip from doing anything useful after they were restored to the chip. The chip will use all available data to calculate the fix. With restoring ephemeris this means a time to first fix of about 16 seconds at the moment. Not sure how much faster we can get. Regards, Daniel Willmann -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This doesn?t comply with the protocol specification. Furthermore, u-blox 5 receivers with firmware V5.00 and earlier can run into a floating-point exception when fed with such ?empty? ephemeris. " Is that the cause :D Daniel Willmann wrote: > > > Yes and that's what ogpsd does already. It has been saving/restoring > almanac for months, ephemeris was disabled up until recently because > there was a bug that prevented the GPS chip from doing anything useful > after they were restored to the chip. > > ... ... > > Regards, > Daniel Willmann > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/thoughts-on-A-GPS-offline-tp2338403p2406454.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 23:27:22 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:27:22 -0600 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Dead gstreamer? Message-ID: Hey, I'm trying to use Pythm, but the gstreamer backend seems broken. It doesn't play any sound, and judging by CPU usage, it's not even trying. I have no idea where to look to diagnose this... Meanwhile, the mplayer backend works just fine so long as I make sure to set the audio codec to vorbis. Plays at 15-18% CPU, with mono -q4 oggs. -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090301/b587f50d/attachment.htm From david at tuxbrain.com Mon Mar 2 00:10:13 2009 From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:10:13 +0100 Subject: Harry's openmoko suvey, Please help !!! In-Reply-To: <3461d5200903010951v61fd844ar83782d64ab7ddbc4@mail.gmail.com> References: <66de42ca0903010830w7fe1d33cs116c8070622e816f@mail.gmail.com> <3461d5200903010951v61fd844ar83782d64ab7ddbc4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5c6ceea80903011510m5dcb52f1xdd007185df168273@mail.gmail.com> I hope the best for you on your master :) good luck Harry 2009/3/1 Michael Fisher : > > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Harry Tsai wrote: >> >> Dear Community, >> Sorry, I really need your help to fill the survey, I will very appreciate >> your kindly help !!! >> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry >> >> Thanks and BR >> >> >> Harry >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > I'm getting a network timeout or bad url when attempting to click on survey > link. Maybe too busy?? > > -- > Michael Fisher > desNotes at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! From lida_mail at 163.com Mon Mar 2 00:17:31 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 07:17:31 +0800 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Dead gstreamer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1235949451.6342.1.camel@daniel-laptop> On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 16:27 -0600, The Digital Pioneer wrote: > Hey, I'm trying to use Pythm, but the gstreamer backend seems broken. > It doesn't play any sound, and judging by CPU usage, it's not even > trying. I have no idea where to look to diagnose this... > > Meanwhile, the mplayer backend works just fine so long as I make sure > to set the audio codec to vorbis. Plays at 15-18% CPU, with mono -q4 > oggs. I'm in trouble with Mplayer. It sounds that ur fellows are using different software. Can u please point me to the right direction? Cuase mplay occupies most of CPU about 75%, and plays discontinously. Any suggestions? > > -- > Thanks, > > The Digital Pioneer > > -- > > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. > See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 01:59:42 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:59:42 -0600 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Dead gstreamer? In-Reply-To: <1235949451.6342.1.camel@daniel-laptop> References: <1235949451.6342.1.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: Convert your music to -q4 ogg, mono, and use Tremor. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090301/96bf11a4/attachment.htm From lida_mail at 163.com Mon Mar 2 02:21:46 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (=?gbk?B?wO607w==?=) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:21:46 +0800 (CST) Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Dead gstreamer? Message-ID: <793214.306041235956906457.JavaMail.coremail@bj163app27.163.com> >Convert your music to -q4 ogg, mono, and use Tremor. I think I didn't get it. Would you please expain a little bit more detail. Cause I'm new to this, if there is any link avaliable. A link or steps will be mostly appreciated. Thanks in advance. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090302/e06b7800/attachment.htm From tsaiharry at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 03:36:02 2009 From: tsaiharry at gmail.com (Harry Tsai) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:36:02 +0800 Subject: Harry's openmoko suvey, Please help !!! In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80903011510m5dcb52f1xdd007185df168273@mail.gmail.com> References: <66de42ca0903010830w7fe1d33cs116c8070622e816f@mail.gmail.com> <3461d5200903010951v61fd844ar83782d64ab7ddbc4@mail.gmail.com> <5c6ceea80903011510m5dcb52f1xdd007185df168273@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <66de42ca0903011836h45be88b0i22064a5ab341de3c@mail.gmail.com> Yes, sometimes the server showed error message, I guess maybe too busy!! Don't give up, try it again please ;) Harry 2009/3/2 David Reyes Samblas Martinez > I hope the best for you on your master :) good luck Harry > > 2009/3/1 Michael Fisher : > > > > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Harry Tsai wrote: > >> > >> Dear Community, > >> Sorry, I really need your help to fill the survey, I will very > appreciate > >> your kindly help !!! > >> > >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry > >> > >> Thanks and BR > >> > >> > >> Harry > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Openmoko community mailing list > >> community at lists.openmoko.org > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > >> > > > > I'm getting a network timeout or bad url when attempting to click on > survey > > link. Maybe too busy?? > > > > -- > > Michael Fisher > > desNotes at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > -- > David Reyes Samblas Martinez > http://www.tuxbrain.com > Open ultraportable & embedded solutions > Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino > Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090302/3650808f/attachment.htm From monnier at iro.umontreal.ca Mon Mar 2 03:42:38 2009 From: monnier at iro.umontreal.ca (Stefan Monnier) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 21:42:38 -0500 Subject: Problem installing apache webserver on my FreeRunner References: <358483.33553.qm@web45311.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > I just got my new FR fone as a part of my university research program > and tried installing apache2 but it does not install.It returns error > status 2. > Can you guys suggest how i can go ahead. I am using OM 2008.12. I tried > opkg install apache2 FWIW, maybe you'd be better served by installing Debian since you then have a larger collection of standard packages. Stefan From monnier at iro.umontreal.ca Mon Mar 2 03:49:29 2009 From: monnier at iro.umontreal.ca (Stefan Monnier) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 21:49:29 -0500 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Dead gstreamer? References: Message-ID: > Hey, I'm trying to use Pythm, but the gstreamer backend seems broken. > It doesn't play any sound, and judging by CPU usage, it's not even > trying. I have no idea where to look to diagnose this... Try the MPD backend. For me, it works without hassle. Stefan "apt-get install mpd" From nelsoneci at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 03:51:58 2009 From: nelsoneci at gmail.com (Nelson Castillo) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:51:58 +0800 Subject: Problem installing apache webserver on my FreeRunner In-Reply-To: References: <358483.33553.qm@web45311.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2accc2ff0903011851k5ab5a6c2kc07f1804c973d91e@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> ?I just got my new FR fone as a part of my university research program >> ?and tried installing apache2 but it does not install.It returns error >> ?status 2. > >> Can you guys suggest how i can go ahead. I am using OM 2008.12. I tried >> opkg install apache2 > > FWIW, maybe you'd be better served by installing Debian since you then > have a larger collection of standard packages. I've had good luck with the Cherokee webserver on the ARM (Cherokee + PHP). http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=cherokee I've used it with Openembedded also. I remember we even had a custom recipe for the latest version (available 1 1/2 years ago) but it wasn't in shape to be contributed back. From karadog at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 04:02:35 2009 From: karadog at gmail.com (HouYu Li) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:02:35 +0800 Subject: Problem installing apache webserver on my FreeRunner In-Reply-To: <2accc2ff0903011851k5ab5a6c2kc07f1804c973d91e@mail.gmail.com> References: <358483.33553.qm@web45311.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <2accc2ff0903011851k5ab5a6c2kc07f1804c973d91e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You can try build thttpd with openmoko toolchain...... On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Nelson Castillo wrote: > On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Stefan Monnier > wrote: > >> I just got my new FR fone as a part of my university research program > >> and tried installing apache2 but it does not install.It returns error > >> status 2. > > > >> Can you guys suggest how i can go ahead. I am using OM 2008.12. I tried > >> opkg install apache2 > > > > FWIW, maybe you'd be better served by installing Debian since you then > > have a larger collection of standard packages. > > I've had good luck with the Cherokee webserver on the ARM (Cherokee + PHP). > > http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=cherokee > > I've used it with Openembedded also. I remember we even had a custom > recipe for the latest version (available 1 1/2 years ago) but it > wasn't in shape to be contributed back. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Programmer Red Hat Certified Engineer Shanghai, China -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090302/867c7f8a/attachment.htm From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 04:31:32 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:31:32 -0600 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Dead gstreamer? In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: See subject, I use SHR-Unstable. :\ Is mpd available for that? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090301/f4ec3b0d/attachment.htm From dreilly at atariland.net Mon Mar 2 05:44:43 2009 From: dreilly at atariland.net (Dylan Reilly) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:44:43 -0500 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Dead gstreamer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7654cee60903012044t5d12edf0se501858810fed6eb@mail.gmail.com> Which version were you using? Can you send me the output of /tmp/pythm.log ? (You can send it to me directly if you wish). On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:27 PM, The Digital Pioneer wrote: > Hey, I'm trying to use Pythm, but the gstreamer backend seems broken. It > doesn't play any sound, and judging by CPU usage, it's not even trying. I > have no idea where to look to diagnose this... > > Meanwhile, the mplayer backend works just fine so long as I make sure to set > the audio codec to vorbis. Plays at 15-18% CPU, with mono -q4 oggs. > > -- > Thanks, > > The Digital Pioneer > > -- > > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. > See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly From dreilly at atariland.net Mon Mar 2 06:11:03 2009 From: dreilly at atariland.net (Dylan Reilly) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:11:03 -0500 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Dead gstreamer? In-Reply-To: <7654cee60903012044t5d12edf0se501858810fed6eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <7654cee60903012044t5d12edf0se501858810fed6eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7654cee60903012111t3d6b87f9ie19fde035b6de75@mail.gmail.com> Looks like I neglected to add a dependency to the package. Install gst-plugin-volume. One can get it from SHR or FSO repositories (e.g., [1]). I will add the required dependency to the package tomorrow. Thanks for finding this and let me know if anything else bugs out. [1] http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-unstable/feeds/armv4t/gst-plugin-volume_0.10.17-r5_armv4t.ipk On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Dylan Reilly wrote: > Which version were you using? Can you send me the output of > /tmp/pythm.log ? (You can send it to me directly if you wish). > > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:27 PM, The Digital Pioneer > wrote: >> Hey, I'm trying to use Pythm, but the gstreamer backend seems broken. It >> doesn't play any sound, and judging by CPU usage, it's not even trying. I >> have no idea where to look to diagnose this... >> >> Meanwhile, the mplayer backend works just fine so long as I make sure to set >> the audio codec to vorbis. Plays at 15-18% CPU, with mono -q4 oggs. >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> >> The Digital Pioneer >> >> -- >> >> Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. >> See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > > > > -- > Dylan Maxwell Reilly > -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 06:14:15 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:14:15 -0600 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Dead gstreamer? 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URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090301/37c094df/attachment.htm From john at wjsullivan.net Mon Mar 2 05:47:48 2009 From: john at wjsullivan.net (John Sullivan) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:47:48 -0500 Subject: [Debian] e17 screen lock References: <87sklyi784.fsf@ashbery.wjsullivan.net> Message-ID: <8763ish6ob.fsf@ashbery.wjsullivan.net> "Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o)" writes: > John Sullivan ha scritto: >> So, I build e17 from svn and use it with illume on Debian. >> >> By default, the e screen locking function goes to a password lock, which >> obviously isn't good for the FR. I know that on SHR using illume this >> instead goes to a simpler lock mechanism that can be unlocked just by >> pushing a button or whatever. >> >> Can anyone suggest how I can get behavior like this instead of the >> password lock? > > Go in enlightenment configuration -> Input -> Key bindings -> > Keycode-177 define it as Simple Desktop Lock. Brilliant, thanks. -- -John Sullivan -http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:JohnSullivan -GPG Key: AE8600B6 From omega.xavier at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 10:28:05 2009 From: omega.xavier at gmail.com (Xavier Cremaschi) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:28:05 +0100 Subject: [SHR] Phonelog and hidden caller ids Message-ID: Hi folks, phonelog crashes as soon as someone calls me from a phone with hidden caller id. There is a simple problem in /usr/bin/phonelog : the output of the error message fails because of a problem of python string and int concatenation. It seems easy to fix, by replacing : print "foo" + call + "bar" by print "foo %d bar" % call (never done anything in python, so not sure) But, by reading the code, it seems that phonelog will just output a message saying "hey dude, delete call from database and relaunch", so does anybody has or is able to modify phonelog to handle this kind of caller-without-id ? Btw db still grows, so even if the app cannot be launched the FR still logs calls. Xavier Cremaschi. From helge.hafting at hist.no Mon Mar 2 10:31:48 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:31:48 +0100 Subject: yaml rule to stop suspending when using gps In-Reply-To: <20090228150000.GA23846@fluxnetz.de> References: <1235115886.2497.32.camel@bunyip.localdomain> <499FF361.6070504@openmoko.com> <20090225125812.31dac78b@penguin.cz> <20090225132931.6fa20f7c@penguin.cz> <20090225125946.GB1159@fluxnetz.de> <49A7BCD8.4040600@hist.no> <20090228150000.GA23846@fluxnetz.de> Message-ID: <49ABA784.5020507@hist.no> Klaus Kurzmann wrote: > in addition to the ophonekitd bugs there was also a bug in frameworkd > regarding the release of the display resource. All that should be fixed > now and hit you with opkg update & upgrade I'll install the new testing image when it shows up at the website then. I also have a problem with turning the backlight timeout on/off in SHR settings. Sometimes, it times out even if I have the timeout turned with the slider. I'll check if that is fixed too. Helge Hafting From guru at unixarea.de Mon Mar 2 10:43:26 2009 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:43:26 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.x] Terminal with UTF-8 support wanted Message-ID: <20090302094326.GA4822@rebelion.Sisis.de> Hello, I need in my FR a Terminal which can handle UTF-8 output; root at om-gta02:~# DISPLAY=:0 export DISPLAY root at om-gta02:~# LANG=es_ES.UTF-8 export LANG root at om-gta02:~# openmoko-terminal2 (openmoko-terminal2:1887): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C' locale. moko-terminal constructed (openmoko-terminal2:1887): Vte-WARNING **: can not run /usr/libexec/gnome-pty-helper update_toolbar current font size for terminal is 5 on_idle on_idle_first_command analog for 'xterm'; Is there some way to get UTF-8 support? Thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ From helge.hafting at hist.no Mon Mar 2 10:48:03 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:48:03 +0100 Subject: [All] To build a better music player In-Reply-To: <7654cee60902270948x3e4f3957h81c98f294aaeb863@mail.gmail.com> References: <7654cee60901151017k25f49ee6u64fc0e4eef14bbf0@mail.gmail.com> <1234343104389-2307541.post@n2.nabble.com> <7654cee60902110756t61e9566aye465288c2b154178@mail.gmail.com> <7654cee60902121455m3cd87e27s30b31226a3ad49bc@mail.gmail.com> <499954A4.9070702@hist.no> <7654cee60902171137k685e563ciad9833f0ba8c0573@mail.gmail.com> <499C1F0F.3000701@hist.no> <7654cee60902260801x15b2be3eo248e704c695d07f1@mail.gmail.com> <49A7B633.6000704@hist.no> <7654cee60902270948x3e4f3957h81c98f294aaeb863@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49ABAB53.5090009@hist.no> Dylan Reilly wrote: > I am not seeing this problem. Can you look through /etc/pythm.log and > see if there is anything interesting in there, or send it to me? > $ pythm No Locale found, falling back! Error was:[Errno 2] No translation file found for domain: 'pythm' new conf using gstreamer backend /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py:242: DeprecationWarning: object.__init__() takes no parameters super(Connection, self).__init__(*args, **kwargs) error executing:[Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/media/card/Music/Albums' (The last message is ok, I have my music in a different directory. Usually, navigating there is possible though. But now, the "up button" does nothing and the file list is empty. After quitting, this happens:) delete event occurred destroy signal occurred Exception in thread Thread-2 (most likely raised during interpreter shutdown): Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.6/threading.py", line 522, in __bootstrap_inner File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/pythm/backend/backend.py", line 496, in run : 'NoneType' object is not callable Exception in thread Thread-3 (most likely raised during interpreter shutdown): Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.6/threading.py", line 522, in __bootstrap_inner File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/pythm/backend/backend.py", line 496, in run : 'NoneType' object is not callable Exception in thread Thread-1 (most likely raised during interpreter shutdown): Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.6/threading.py", line 522, in __bootstrap_inner File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/pythm/backend/backend.py", line 496, in run : 'NoneType' object is not callable And here is /tmp/pythm.log : 2009-03-02 10:35:40,663 DEBUG Unable to set no suspend: org.freesmartphone.Usage.UserUnknown: User :1.30 did not request CPU before releasing it 2009-03-02 10:36:31,734 DEBUG Unable to set no suspend: org.freesmartphone.Usage.UserUnknown: User :1.30 did not request CPU before releasing it Nothing about my problems, but it apparently have problems turning off suspend. Maybe SHR changed this part? I changed the music directory in /etc/pythm.conf. This time, the album list came up. It'd be nice if a wrong album directory still allows one to go up in the directory structure - one can then navigate manually to were the music is. This was possible before. Playing the music still fails. I get the correct song length displayed, and the seconds counts up. But I can't hear anything, even if I turn the volume to 100%. With or without earphones makes no difference. Output from pythm: $ pythm No Locale found, falling back! Error was:[Errno 2] No translation file found for domain: 'pythm' new conf using gstreamer backend /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py:242: DeprecationWarning: object.__init__() takes no parameters super(Connection, self).__init__(*args, **kwargs) (pythm-bin:11766): GStreamer-WARNING **: Name volume is not unique in bin player, not adding (pythm-bin:11766): GStreamer-WARNING **: Name volume is not unique in bin player, not adding Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.6/logging/__init__.py", line 754, in emit msg = self.format(record) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/logging/__init__.py", line 637, in format return fmt.format(record) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/logging/__init__.py", line 425, in format record.message = record.getMessage() File "/usr/lib/python2.6/logging/__init__.py", line 295, in getMessage msg = msg % self.args TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting (pythm-bin:11766): GStreamer-WARNING **: Element output is not in bin player The logfile now shows this: $ cat /tmp/pythm.log 2009-03-02 10:39:41,165 DEBUG Unable to set no suspend: org.freesmartphone.Usage.UserUnknown: User :1.31 did not request CPU before releasing it 2009-03-02 10:40:15,658 DEBUG Going to play song: /media/card/musikk/Pink Floyd - The Wall/02 The Thin Ice.ogg 2009-03-02 10:40:15,685 DEBUG Need to load the song. 2009-03-02 10:40:15,749 ERROR Error loading song Pink Floyd - The Thin Ice into player 0: Could not add element 'volume' 2009-03-02 10:40:19,547 DEBUG Async loading new song into player: 1 2009-03-02 10:40:19,554 DEBUG Async next song is: /media/card/musikk/Pink Floyd - The Wall/03 Another Brick In The Wall, Part I.ogg 2009-03-02 10:40:19,581 ERROR Error loading song Pink Floyd - Another Brick In The Wall, Part 1 into player 1: Could not add element 'volume' 2009-03-02 10:42:15,893 DEBUG Going to play song: /media/card/musikk/Pink Floyd - The Wall/03 Another Brick In The Wall, Part I.ogg 2009-03-02 10:42:15,903 DEBUG Song already loaded. 2009-03-02 10:42:16,084 DEBUG Unable to set no suspend: org.freesmartphone.Usage.UserExists: User :1.31 already requested CPU 2009-03-02 10:42:19,317 DEBUG Async loading new song into player: 0 2009-03-02 10:42:19,324 DEBUG Async next song is: /media/card/musikk/Pink Floyd - The Wall/02 The Thin Ice.ogg 2009-03-02 10:42:19,344 ERROR Error loading song Pink Floyd - The Thin Ice into player 0: Could not remove element 'output' Helge Hafting From olofsj at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 11:14:41 2009 From: olofsj at gmail.com (Olof Sjobergh) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:14:41 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.x] Terminal with UTF-8 support wanted In-Reply-To: <20090302094326.GA4822@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20090302094326.GA4822@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <82e505fc0903020214x270a0ea5v54c4d64335365594@mail.gmail.com> Hi, On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Is there some way to get UTF-8 support? Thx > You need to install a UTF-8 locale. To see which locales you have installed, run locale -a Unfortunately, I don't remember the package names for locales. But with an UTF-8 locale installed, I know that at least vala-terminal works and can display UTF-8 encoded text correctly. Best regards, Olof Sj?bergh From guru at unixarea.de Mon Mar 2 11:21:56 2009 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:21:56 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.x] Terminal with UTF-8 support wanted In-Reply-To: <82e505fc0903020214x270a0ea5v54c4d64335365594@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090302094326.GA4822@rebelion.Sisis.de> <82e505fc0903020214x270a0ea5v54c4d64335365594@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090302102156.GA5908@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Monday, March 02, 2009 a las 11:14:41AM +0100, Olof Sjobergh escribi?: > Hi, > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > > Is there some way to get UTF-8 support? Thx > > > > You need to install a UTF-8 locale. To see which locales you have > installed, run > > locale -a > > Unfortunately, I don't remember the package names for locales. But > with an UTF-8 locale installed, I know that at least vala-terminal > works and can display UTF-8 encoded text correctly. root at om-gta02:~# locale -a -sh: locale: not found root at om-gta02:~# vala-terminal -sh: vala-terminal: not found root at om-gta02:~# seems that I don't have both :-( any idea? matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ From helge.hafting at hist.no Mon Mar 2 11:44:12 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:44:12 +0100 Subject: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?) In-Reply-To: <20090228013512.6dc8df34.raster@rasterman.com> References: <49A26AFF.7010307@dfki.de> <49A277D0.7090208@nlpagan.net> <49A2B52B.5090802@hist.no> <26fea52c0902230649x3374ddd4t90aa0be0f6eb20ef@mail.gmail.com> <20090223202624.7664ec80@j.newkirk.us> <26fea52c0902231733m726924e3ufd35b1d3eccfe667@mail.gmail.com> <49A3DAB9.9030104@hist.no> <20090224161843.3f50a37b@j.newkirk.us> <49A52EFF.3090903@hist.no> <20090225234300.7df30394@j.newkirk.us> <49A66F8F.7060703@hist.no> <20090228013512.6dc8df34.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <49ABB87C.1050802@hist.no> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > i really suggest you have a better look at the code. it uses timepoints. Good advice. Critic based on assumptions isn't good enough. Still, the problem remain. The user interface is a bit on the slow side. And it doesn't have to - simplified themes are faster. Eye candy is nice - but not when it cause performance problems. eye candy is also nice for showing off a great product - but this backfires when it demonstrates slowness. [enlightenment graphichs explanation deleted] >> Maybe we ought to use a modified duke nukem as an app launcher interface >> instead of enlightenment. Duke has a _better_ framerate for scrolling >> and zooming - in 3D! > > and runs in 8bpp and doesnt alpha blend, doesnt do interpolated scaling. doesnt > do a tonne of things. Well, it was a joke. Duke gets much speed from low resolution. Still - it raises questions. Do we want the resolution, 16bpp, alpha blend and so on? I happen to like the high resolution and color depth. So perhaps scrolling cannot go really fast in my case, and instead must to big jumps to keep up with finger speed. It'd still be nice if it was more responsive - scrolling start noticeably later than the dragging. > btw - scrolling issues were also a problem of the event loop in some ways and > has been fixed in the meantime - but you are unlikely to see those fixes until > fso/shr or om2008.x update. (basically it was getting and actually responding to > more mouse events than it could handle delaying rendering even more than it > should have been 0 i fixed that. it shouldnt have been doing it but somewhere > along the way a excess mouse move filter got removed and i dont know when/where > so i put one back in). it all went smooth again. > Good to hear! Even more to look forward to in future distribution upgrades. :-) [...] >> I wish people though more about efficiency. One can have all sorts of >> wonderful effects by precomouting some stuff _once_, and then use plain >> bit block transfers. 1990 game machines was weaker than the FR, but that >> did not seem to be a problem then. > > as per my other mail. the reason i DIDNT do this is that there is a tradeoff - > every precompute means u have to store it. storing means using up more ram, and > using less cpu. you give up one resource for another. ALSO you need to Right, wasting too much memory is not the way to go either. > intelligently differentiate dynamic data vs static. lets say u have a vidoe > that changes data every frame - there is zero point in computing a scaled > version and making a copy of it to keep as next frame it will be different. > same for when the image or data keeps changing size. each frame its a new size. > again - pointless to keep a copy. its not so easy just to "precompute" it makes > coding life harder as the programmer now needs to do this in advance. you want > the api to figure it out for u and just do it by magic. as i said - i have a > patch that added a scalecache that does this, but it also introduced bugs and > thus isnt in. i havent had time ot come back to it lately - but its on my todo > list. Yes, I understand this is hard to do in the general case. The application launcher's icon collection is a specific case though. The icons seem to be static, and they can be scaled once. (Actually, whenever the user resets the icon size or install more apps.) > > believe it or not evas's software engine is REALLY efficient and fast. it gets > both quality and speed. it plays some other tricks you barely even know exist. > i know about all these game engine tricks- i started life writing game engines > in assembly. i have just specifically chosen to handle certain paths for > certain reasons. and to date those paths have worked extremely well for the > workloads they were given. those paths were a LOT more dynamic with new data, > new/different sizes and much less re-use of images/.data at the same size where > caching would help. > [...] >> Scary stuff. An interpreted language just for the icon set. > > again - you need to actually do your research. it's not interpreted at > all. .edc's are a data structure. they declare what becomes an in-memory > object tree with properties. they get compiled to binary .edj files that are > loaded and converted to real life objects REALLY FAST. its highly optimised. > they also cache and share instances so it only loads the 1 edje group once - it > then just references the already loaded one and makes copies runtime. it keeps > them around even when not references speculatively in case they are needed > again. the only interpreted part is embryo script {} sections. inside of that > is also not interpreted like python or perl. its bytecompiled into a very > small efficient bytecode language. its stored in the .edj as bytecode so > simply loaded up - never compiled or interpreted at runtime as you see it. the > bytecode engine is VERY fast. it's 2x the speed of the jvm. it's 40x faster than > python. 20x faster than perl or ruby. it's about 1/7th the speed of compiled C > - which is not bad considering its a bytecode vm. it's also used very rarely > in edje files - only when simple event -> response logic fails and more is > needed. Seems this code is really good then - what is needed is a theme that doesn't stress it too much. Even really good code needs some time to execute on a limited device. > you might seriously want to learn more about the code before you evaluate it > and poopoo it as many of the things you have assumed are just totally false > and it actually does it right or even better than almost anything else within > the same class of flexibility. :) > >> When I try to impress people with the FR, I show them cool apps like >> linball. Not the icon interface. It is not that hot anyway - and >> slowness is simply bad. > > if i want to impress i do not show them a freerunner. i show them something > with much better hardware :) Some people understand about the openness, and ability to run just about any free software on the thing. Others simply want to see what's so great about this phone - it is then interesting to show something they don't have on their high-end nokia or whatever. :-) Helge Hafting From helge.hafting at hist.no Mon Mar 2 11:59:14 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:59:14 +0100 Subject: GTA03 Touchscreen Capacitive (was Re: OT: iPhone howto) In-Reply-To: <1235738766.24520.27.camel@rattus> References: <200902242252.17775.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <26fea52c0902250749o691f2979n947be7d1f2c5172@mail.gmail.com> <20090225172027.GA1714@rebelion.Sisis.de> <26fea52c0902250936o149a6d71y5ee02d84aa33ab86@mail.gmail.com> <20090226065503.GA2900@rebelion.Sisis.de> <49A7B38E.8000103@hist.no> <20090227123504.GA8823@rebelion.Sisis.de> <1235738766.24520.27.camel@rattus> Message-ID: <49ABBC02.5090705@hist.no> William Kenworthy wrote: > I can see the reasons for this ($'s in the door), but theres no reason > the gta04 wont be more like what we want. Even if its still got a > 640x480 screen, I wont be buying a gta03 unless it BOTH is an advance on > the FR (which means it stays with a resistive screen), and I can > actually see and test its working. (once bitten, twice ...) I don't plan on bying new phones too often, certainly not just because some new model came out. It'd ahve to have a clear advantage too. But there is nothing wrong in them having two lines of phone - one with hacker appeal and one with mass-market appeal to bring in the money. The hacker phones will be smaller series, but they attract people who does lots of free development. Lots of open-source apps, many which will work fine on the mass-market phones as well, making them more popular. If the mass-market phone succeeds, then they will be made in large series. That makes it possible to get more interesting parts, perhaps even 3G someday. Of course, some of these mass-purchased parts can go into the next small-series of hackerphones has well. Helge Hafting From helge.hafting at hist.no Mon Mar 2 12:07:42 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:07:42 +0100 Subject: Context based usage of the 'AUX' button In-Reply-To: <1235712446071-2394031.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1235712446071-2394031.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <49ABBDFE.7020405@hist.no> c_c wrote: > Hi, > The freerunner and 1973 have only 2 buttons. While the power button is > being used for suspend and for switching off, the 'AUX' button seems under > utilised. I was wondering whether there could be a method added to FSO that > allowed overloading of this button based on the context. For eg :- > > 1. Under normal circumstances (not in a call or app - that could change > this usage), the button could be used for selecting between 3 brightness > settings in rotation. With SHR, the normal use for AUX is to lock/unlock the screen. This is useful when you can't suspend, but still want to put the phone in a pocket where accidental pressing may happen. For example, when the gps is in use when walking/bicycling/skiing. AUX protects against wrong keypresses that at worst could stop the gps logging. And AUX is also easy to press - even with gloves - in order to take a quick look at the map. Helge Hafting From helge.hafting at hist.no Mon Mar 2 12:12:17 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:12:17 +0100 Subject: howto: making ipk/opk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49ABBF11.2010704@hist.no> Aapo Rantalainen wrote: > A) There are many broken packages on opkg.org. They can be downloaded > and installed and they work. But adding opkg.org repository and > installing packages from repository cause Segmentation Faults and Not > found errors (opkg error -2). That is an opkg bug, because opkg shouldn't crash just because it gets a bad package. Instead, it ought to give an error message along the lines of "broken package". Helge Hafting From helge.hafting at hist.no Mon Mar 2 12:21:54 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:21:54 +0100 Subject: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution In-Reply-To: <49AA741A.50406@users.sourceforge.net> References: <49AA741A.50406@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <49ABC152.5030504@hist.no> Pander wrote: > Hi all, > > I have started a feature overview for out of the box SHR unstable > distribution. > > This will show the current status of the functionality you get after > installing SHR and using only the high level GUI to use and manage it. > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview > > This overview is both reflecting the currect status, as is it focussing > on basic functionality which should be available on Neo FreeRunner. The page indicates that flight mode isn't available. But one can use SHR settings and turn the GSM modem off. That is flight mode by another name - other equipment shouldn't see radio interference. The phone even works after turning GSM on again, although this takes some time. Helge Hafting From lida_mail at 163.com Mon Mar 2 12:39:34 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:39:34 +0800 Subject: [Om2008.x] Terminal with UTF-8 support wanted In-Reply-To: <20090302102156.GA5908@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20090302094326.GA4822@rebelion.Sisis.de> <82e505fc0903020214x270a0ea5v54c4d64335365594@mail.gmail.com> <20090302102156.GA5908@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <1235993974.8825.3.camel@daniel-laptop> On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 11:21 +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d?a Monday, March 02, 2009 a las 11:14:41AM +0100, Olof Sjobergh escribi?: > > > Hi, > > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > > > > Is there some way to get UTF-8 support? Thx > > > > > > > You need to install a UTF-8 locale. To see which locales you have > > installed, run > > > > locale -a > > > > Unfortunately, I don't remember the package names for locales. But > > with an UTF-8 locale installed, I know that at least vala-terminal > > works and can display UTF-8 encoded text correctly. > > root at om-gta02:~# locale -a > -sh: locale: not found > root at om-gta02:~# vala-terminal > -sh: vala-terminal: not found > root at om-gta02:~# > > seems that I don't have both :-( > any idea? Mine. root at om-gta02:~# locale -a C POSIX What's this mean? > > matthias > -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From ed at kapitein.org Mon Mar 2 12:49:39 2009 From: ed at kapitein.org (Ed Kapitein) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:49:39 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.x] Terminal with UTF-8 support wanted In-Reply-To: <1235993974.8825.3.camel@daniel-laptop> References: <20090302094326.GA4822@rebelion.Sisis.de> <82e505fc0903020214x270a0ea5v54c4d64335365594@mail.gmail.com> <20090302102156.GA5908@rebelion.Sisis.de> <1235993974.8825.3.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: <1235994579.25333.8.camel@lp-00079> perhpas you can do: which locale and opkg search `which locale` That will list the packages that contains "locale" Kind regards, @ On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 19:39 +0800, Daniel.Li wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 11:21 +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > El d?a Monday, March 02, 2009 a las 11:14:41AM +0100, Olof Sjobergh escribi?: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > > > > > > Is there some way to get UTF-8 support? Thx > > > > > > > > > > You need to install a UTF-8 locale. To see which locales you have > > > installed, run > > > > > > locale -a > > > > > > Unfortunately, I don't remember the package names for locales. But > > > with an UTF-8 locale installed, I know that at least vala-terminal > > > works and can display UTF-8 encoded text correctly. > > > > root at om-gta02:~# locale -a > > -sh: locale: not found > > root at om-gta02:~# vala-terminal > > -sh: vala-terminal: not found > > root at om-gta02:~# > > > > seems that I don't have both :-( > > any idea? > > Mine. > > root at om-gta02:~# locale -a > C > POSIX > > What's this mean? > > > > > matthias > > From pander at users.sourceforge.net Mon Mar 2 13:05:42 2009 From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:05:42 +0100 Subject: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution In-Reply-To: <49ABC152.5030504@hist.no> References: <49AA741A.50406@users.sourceforge.net> <49ABC152.5030504@hist.no> Message-ID: <49ABCB96.1080007@users.sourceforge.net> Helge Hafting wrote: > Pander wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have started a feature overview for out of the box SHR unstable >> distribution. >> >> This will show the current status of the functionality you get after >> installing SHR and using only the high level GUI to use and manage it. >> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview >> >> This overview is both reflecting the currect status, as is it focussing >> on basic functionality which should be available on Neo FreeRunner. > > The page indicates that flight mode isn't available. > But one can use SHR settings and turn the GSM modem off. That is flight > mode by another name - other equipment shouldn't see radio interference. > The phone even works after turning GSM on again, although this takes > some time. It is more that it is available via easy to controls, i.e. "my mother could use it". Hence that the table indicates that it is not yet available. But many things are not yet available, let the table evolve as time over time :) > > Helge Hafting > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From helge.hafting at hist.no Mon Mar 2 13:09:26 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:09:26 +0100 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Dead gstreamer? In-Reply-To: References: <1235949451.6342.1.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: <49ABCC76.9020002@hist.no> The Digital Pioneer wrote: > Convert your music to -q4 ogg, mono, and use Tremor. Well, some of us like -q6 and stereo. :-) mplayer may eat a lot of cpu, but skipping is easily dealt with by running mplayer at nice -15, which is higher priority than enlightenment (which runs at nice -10). The phone gets very sluggish for other uses, but the music is fine. The "other uses" recover their speed immediately when the music stops. Helge Hafting From san_dimitri at yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 13:20:29 2009 From: san_dimitri at yahoo.com (sandilya b) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 04:20:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Openmoko FreeRunner Internal details Message-ID: <159709.60520.qm@web45310.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi All, I am trying to fetch the details of my openmoko freerunner phone. I want to write a python or java program and fetch the values and display them on a webpage which I am hosting on my phone itself. I want details like my IMEI number, phone number, present Location from gps etc. Can anyone tell me which python module can lead me towards what i need? Thanks, -Sandy From guru at unixarea.de Mon Mar 2 13:24:47 2009 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:24:47 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.x] Terminal with UTF-8 support wanted In-Reply-To: <1235994687.8825.6.camel@daniel-laptop> References: <20090302094326.GA4822@rebelion.Sisis.de> <82e505fc0903020214x270a0ea5v54c4d64335365594@mail.gmail.com> <20090302102156.GA5908@rebelion.Sisis.de> <1235993974.8825.3.camel@daniel-laptop> <82e505fc0903020343y71f50475r5576a656efddcfb4@mail.gmail.com> <1235994687.8825.6.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: <20090302122447.GA9240@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Monday, March 02, 2009 a las 07:51:26PM +0800, Daniel.Li escribi?: ... > > This means you only have the C and POSIX locales, i.e. no UTF-8 > > locales. Try to install for example "locale-base-en-us" or some other > > language and see if that makes a difference. I've installed now in addition: locale-base-en-gb_2.6.1-r12_armv4t.opk glibc-binary-localedata-en-gb_2.6.1-r12_armv4t.opk but I still have no 'locale' command; the 1st of the above packages does not contain anything and the second some msg files: tar tzf data.tar.gz ./ ./usr/ ./usr/lib/ ./usr/lib/locale/ ./usr/lib/locale/en_GB/ ./usr/lib/locale/en_GB/LC_TIME ./usr/lib/locale/en_GB/LC_NUMERIC ./usr/lib/locale/en_GB/LC_NAME ./usr/lib/locale/en_GB/LC_IDENTIFICATION ./usr/lib/locale/en_GB/LC_MEASUREMENT ./usr/lib/locale/en_GB/LC_COLLATE ./usr/lib/locale/en_GB/LC_MONETARY ./usr/lib/locale/en_GB/LC_PAPER ./usr/lib/locale/en_GB/LC_CTYPE ./usr/lib/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/ ./usr/lib/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/SYS_LC_MESSAGES ./usr/lib/locale/en_GB/LC_ADDRESS ./usr/lib/locale/en_GB/LC_TELEPHONE but they make 'vala-terminal' come up with UTF8 support: root at om-gta02:~# LANG=en_GB.UTF8 vala-terminal moko-terminal constructed and showing Spanish accented chars. Happy now! Thx a lot; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ From gunnar.grimnes at dfki.de Mon Mar 2 13:37:49 2009 From: gunnar.grimnes at dfki.de (Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:37:49 +0100 Subject: Openmoko FreeRunner Internal details In-Reply-To: <159709.60520.qm@web45310.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <159709.60520.qm@web45310.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49ABD31D.1000702@dfki.de> assuming you use FSO or SHR you can use dbus to query the framework for many of the phone details. web.py offers an excellent light python based web-server and also a web "framework" - Gunnar sandilya b wrote: > Hi All, > > I am trying to fetch the details of my openmoko freerunner phone. > I want to write a python or java program and fetch the values and display them on a webpage which I am hosting on my phone itself. > I want details like my IMEI number, phone number, present Location from gps etc. > > Can anyone tell me which python module can lead me towards what i need? > > Thanks, > -Sandy > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 From omega.xavier at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 14:21:38 2009 From: omega.xavier at gmail.com (Xavier Cremaschi) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:21:38 +0100 Subject: [SHR] Revealing/Hiding my caller id In-Reply-To: <49A53AA4.6060700@hist.no> References: <20090225084659.GA5927@fluxnetz.de> <49A53AA4.6060700@hist.no> Message-ID: <49ABDD62.90505@gmail.com> It does not seem persistent over reboot, even with the new GUI iface of Johny Tenfinger (thanks for that btw !) Xavier. From openmoko at ginguppin.de Mon Mar 2 14:29:56 2009 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:29:56 +0100 Subject: [SHR] Revealing/Hiding my caller id In-Reply-To: <49ABDD62.90505@gmail.com> References: <20090225084659.GA5927@fluxnetz.de> <49A53AA4.6060700@hist.no> <49ABDD62.90505@gmail.com> Message-ID: > It does not seem persistent over reboot, even with the new GUI iface of > Johny Tenfinger (thanks for that btw !) the dbus call ahs to be issued at least once after the start of frameworkd -- so, unless frameworkd has an option to do that by itself, you or an app has to do it -- but that means btw, that _all_ calls will be affected. there are *??# or #??# codes to prefix the number with, that suppress the transmission of your number. look for those or ask your provider. numbers where your id should be hidden all the time could then be prefixed in your addressbook. also, it could be an improvement request to the programmer(s) of your calling gui, to have a button or checkbox "hide my id" in the dial pad. From liedekef at telenet.be Mon Mar 2 14:39:35 2009 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:39:35 +0100 Subject: [SHR] Revealing/Hiding my caller id In-Reply-To: References: <20090225084659.GA5927@fluxnetz.de> <49A53AA4.6060700@hist.no> <49ABDD62.90505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <60567dcc0903020539q75a62f7je0ccaf20014f00ae@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 2:29 PM, arne anka wrote: > > It does not seem persistent over reboot, even with the new GUI iface of > > Johny Tenfinger (thanks for that btw !) > > the dbus call ahs to be issued at least once after the start of frameworkd > -- so, unless frameworkd has an option to do that by itself, you or an app > has to do it -- but that means btw, that _all_ calls will be affected. > there are *??# or #??# codes to prefix the number with, that suppress the > transmission of your number. look for those or ask your provider. > numbers where your id should be hidden all the time could then be prefixed > in your addressbook. > > also, it could be an improvement request to the programmer(s) of your > calling gui, to have a button or checkbox "hide my id" in the dial pad. > You seem to want the hide-my-caller-id on a per-number basis, but so far, on every cellphone I've owned, this is done in general: for all calls it is either hidden or shown to the receiving party. Franky -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090302/583c1f8c/attachment.htm From raster at rasterman.com Mon Mar 2 14:44:01 2009 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:44:01 +1100 Subject: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?) In-Reply-To: <49ABB87C.1050802@hist.no> References: <49A26AFF.7010307@dfki.de> <49A277D0.7090208@nlpagan.net> <49A2B52B.5090802@hist.no> <26fea52c0902230649x3374ddd4t90aa0be0f6eb20ef@mail.gmail.com> <20090223202624.7664ec80@j.newkirk.us> <26fea52c0902231733m726924e3ufd35b1d3eccfe667@mail.gmail.com> <49A3DAB9.9030104@hist.no> <20090224161843.3f50a37b@j.newkirk.us> <49A52EFF.3090903@hist.no> <20090225234300.7df30394@j.newkirk.us> <49A66F8F.7060703@hist.no> <20090228013512.6dc8df34.raster@rasterman.com> <49ABB87C.1050802@hist.no> Message-ID: <20090303004401.61a6e9d4.raster@rasterman.com> On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:44:12 +0100 Helge Hafting said: > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > > i really suggest you have a better look at the code. it uses timepoints. > > Good advice. Critic based on assumptions isn't good enough. > Still, the problem remain. The user interface is a bit on the slow side. > And it doesn't have to - simplified themes are faster. remember you are just getting e's default upstream theme - it actually works just fine on the more modern devices i have (omap3, 6410 etc.) and looks nice to boot. i am not going to go to a lot of extra work by doing a specially trimmed down theme for the gta02 when i also have other more modern platforms to support across many devices and i want to keep my work down. as the default works - i'm leaving it tat that :) > Eye candy is nice - but not when it cause performance problems. eye > candy is also nice for showing off a great product - but this backfires > when it demonstrates slowness. reality is reality here. it is a slow device. it is open though. but it's slow. i'm not OM's marketing department. :) i'm not here to try make the freerunner look better than it is - i have a level playing field for everything targetted - they all get the same. :) > [enlightenment graphichs explanation deleted] > > >> Maybe we ought to use a modified duke nukem as an app launcher interface > >> instead of enlightenment. Duke has a _better_ framerate for scrolling > >> and zooming - in 3D! > > > > and runs in 8bpp and doesnt alpha blend, doesnt do interpolated scaling. > > doesnt do a tonne of things. > > Well, it was a joke. Duke gets much speed from low resolution. > Still - it raises questions. Do we want the resolution, 16bpp, alpha > blend and so on? it looks good in screenshots. you have a 16bpp screen like it or not anyway. duke render in 8bpp then expands to 16bpp - evas actualyl does the harder. renders in 32bpp and goes down to 16. you can get speed by building without dithering on - or use line dithering that is as fast as none, but offer some level of dither. not good for artificial images, but ok for photos. better than no dither. > I happen to like the high resolution and color depth. So perhaps > scrolling cannot go really fast in my case, and instead must to big > jumps to keep up with finger speed. It'd still be nice if it was more > responsive - scrolling start noticeably later than the dragging. there is always a lag - also notice there is an explicit lag too - there is a minimum amount of finger movement before it considers it a scroll. this is just due to the nature of inaccurate finger input. > > btw - scrolling issues were also a problem of the event loop in some ways > > and has been fixed in the meantime - but you are unlikely to see those > > fixes until fso/shr or om2008.x update. (basically it was getting and > > actually responding to more mouse events than it could handle delaying > > rendering even more than it should have been 0 i fixed that. it shouldnt > > have been doing it but somewhere along the way a excess mouse move filter > > got removed and i dont know when/where so i put one back in). it all went > > smooth again. > > > Good to hear! Even more to look forward to in future distribution > upgrades. :-) > [...] > >> I wish people though more about efficiency. One can have all sorts of > >> wonderful effects by precomouting some stuff _once_, and then use plain > >> bit block transfers. 1990 game machines was weaker than the FR, but that > >> did not seem to be a problem then. > > > > as per my other mail. the reason i DIDNT do this is that there is a > > tradeoff - every precompute means u have to store it. storing means using > > up more ram, and using less cpu. you give up one resource for another. ALSO > > you need to > > Right, wasting too much memory is not the way to go either. yup. so this stuff always comes with a big gotcha. use mroe ram, so also now use cpu caches less effectively, and possibly pay a price of cycling the scale caches too often thus negating the benefit. so as such i just have not done it to date as it simply has not turned out an "on average win". > > intelligently differentiate dynamic data vs static. lets say u have a vidoe > > that changes data every frame - there is zero point in computing a scaled > > version and making a copy of it to keep as next frame it will be different. > > same for when the image or data keeps changing size. each frame its a new > > size. again - pointless to keep a copy. its not so easy just to > > "precompute" it makes coding life harder as the programmer now needs to do > > this in advance. you want the api to figure it out for u and just do it by > > magic. as i said - i have a patch that added a scalecache that does this, > > but it also introduced bugs and thus isnt in. i havent had time ot come > > back to it lately - but its on my todo list. > > Yes, I understand this is hard to do in the general case. > The application launcher's icon collection is a specific case though. > The icons seem to be static, and they can be scaled once. (Actually, > whenever the user resets the icon size or install more apps.) yes. for specific cases it can be a win. this is one. but i never have had the time to get to it - i was distracted by many other things. > > believe it or not evas's software engine is REALLY efficient and fast. it > > gets both quality and speed. it plays some other tricks you barely even > > know exist. i know about all these game engine tricks- i started life > > writing game engines in assembly. i have just specifically chosen to handle > > certain paths for certain reasons. and to date those paths have worked > > extremely well for the workloads they were given. those paths were a LOT > > more dynamic with new data, new/different sizes and much less re-use of > > images/.data at the same size where caching would help. > > > [...] > >> Scary stuff. An interpreted language just for the icon set. > > > > again - you need to actually do your research. it's not interpreted at > > all. .edc's are a data structure. they declare what becomes an in-memory > > object tree with properties. they get compiled to binary .edj files that are > > loaded and converted to real life objects REALLY FAST. its highly optimised. > > they also cache and share instances so it only loads the 1 edje group once > > - it then just references the already loaded one and makes copies runtime. > > it keeps them around even when not references speculatively in case they > > are needed again. the only interpreted part is embryo script {} sections. > > inside of that is also not interpreted like python or perl. its > > bytecompiled into a very small efficient bytecode language. its stored in > > the .edj as bytecode so simply loaded up - never compiled or interpreted at > > runtime as you see it. the bytecode engine is VERY fast. it's 2x the speed > > of the jvm. it's 40x faster than python. 20x faster than perl or ruby. it's > > about 1/7th the speed of compiled C > > - which is not bad considering its a bytecode vm. it's also used very rarely > > in edje files - only when simple event -> response logic fails and more is > > needed. > > Seems this code is really good then - what is needed is a theme that > doesn't stress it too much. Even really good code needs some time to > execute on a limited device. as such u'll see the themes almost never execute it anyway - it's not much of an issue. > > you might seriously want to learn more about the code before you evaluate it > > and poopoo it as many of the things you have assumed are just totally false > > and it actually does it right or even better than almost anything else > > within the same class of flexibility. :) > > > >> When I try to impress people with the FR, I show them cool apps like > >> linball. Not the icon interface. It is not that hot anyway - and > >> slowness is simply bad. > > > > if i want to impress i do not show them a freerunner. i show them something > > with much better hardware :) > > Some people understand about the openness, and ability to run just about > any free software on the thing. Others simply want to see what's so > great about this phone - it is then interesting to show something they > don't have on their high-end nokia or whatever. :-) well to be honest - the FR is just not a device u;'d use to impress. its open. that's great. but it is NOT impressive hardware-wise. simply isn't. you can't get away from that fact. you either tone down the gfx and make it duller/blander and get speed, or u make your screenshots look better and pay a price in speed. maybe you just change behavior to scroll less and "page" (jump by 80% of the screen to a new page). as i said - some of these are fixed. some are already better, some not. but there is a lot u can do just to make the theme simpler. the 16bit enigne is also faster. lots of config options there. personally i think the 16bit engine output looks horrid. but i'm fussy as all hell. also remember illume default upstream config is GENERIC for device - its not just for the gta02. many modern devices to 32bpp - in fact both of my current 2 active platforms are 32bpp. thats all i use them in. so the default is definitely better a 32bit software engine (*that can go down to 8bpp or lower even by down-conversion from 32bpp). -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From openmoko at ginguppin.de Mon Mar 2 14:51:54 2009 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:51:54 +0100 Subject: [SHR] Revealing/Hiding my caller id In-Reply-To: <60567dcc0903020539q75a62f7je0ccaf20014f00ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090225084659.GA5927@fluxnetz.de> <49A53AA4.6060700@hist.no> <49ABDD62.90505@gmail.com> <60567dcc0903020539q75a62f7je0ccaf20014f00ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > You seem to want the hide-my-caller-id on a per-number basis, but so > far, on seems the most sensible way. when i call a hotline i don't want my number to end up in the database of some marketing dep of the company -- otoh when i call friends i want my number (resp my name, because i am in their address books) to be shown, so they know who call[s|ed]. > every cellphone I've owned, this is done in general: for all calls it is > either hidden or shown to the receiving party. does that mean we are not allowed to do something more flexible and sensible? From b.de.bangkok at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 14:54:53 2009 From: b.de.bangkok at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alejandro_S=E1iz?=) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:54:53 +0700 Subject: [Om2008.x] Wanted StarDict for my Openmoko In-Reply-To: <20090301160803.GA25225@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20090301075100.GA2853@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20090301145602.GA13881@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20090301160803.GA25225@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <85bc235f0903020554n7674cac1l3f5ee5f08640409@mail.gmail.com> I'm very interested on having stardict (or its commandline version) too. >From this discussion line it's not clear to me if you are using debian or if there is a way to install a debian package in 2008.x, could anyone please clarify this for me? Thanks! 2009/3/1 Matthias Apitz > El d?a Sunday, March 01, 2009 a las 04:32:56PM +0100, arne anka escribi?: > > ... > > with all these deps it might be sensible to build the package on its own > > -- things like scrollkeeper or docbook seem pretty nonsensical to the > core > > functionality. > > from the screenshots i've seen, i am not sure inhowfar stardict's gui > > matches the constraints of the fr, though, sdcv might be a better choice. > > Thx for your hint; I've installed sdcv_0.4.2-9_armel.deb (which needed > libreadline.so.5 in addition) but this is working now with my dics and > would be sufficient for me; one problem remains: it produces UTF-8 > output; is there a xterm in FR which does UTF-8? > > matthias > > -- > Matthias Apitz > Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH > Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany > t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 > e - w http://www.oclc.org/ > http://www.UnixArea.de/ > b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My using > scenario of touch screen of Linux based phone needs resistive screen. > Capacitive is not an option. But if the GTA03 would have a hardware keyboard and some joystick or trackball or something like this to use as a mouse, then the capacitive screen would not be a problem. From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 15:31:36 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:31:36 -0600 Subject: [All] To build a better music player In-Reply-To: <49ABAB53.5090009@hist.no> References: <7654cee60901151017k25f49ee6u64fc0e4eef14bbf0@mail.gmail.com> <7654cee60902110756t61e9566aye465288c2b154178@mail.gmail.com> <7654cee60902121455m3cd87e27s30b31226a3ad49bc@mail.gmail.com> <499954A4.9070702@hist.no> <7654cee60902171137k685e563ciad9833f0ba8c0573@mail.gmail.com> <499C1F0F.3000701@hist.no> <7654cee60902260801x15b2be3eo248e704c695d07f1@mail.gmail.com> <49A7B633.6000704@hist.no> <7654cee60902270948x3e4f3957h81c98f294aaeb863@mail.gmail.com> <49ABAB53.5090009@hist.no> Message-ID: Yeah, Pythm gets mad when you try to use it with a bad directory for music in the conf file. I would say put the right dir in /etc/pythm.conf and you should be OK. **Note**: there are two music dirs in the conf file, one for the mplayer config and another for gstreamer. I always fix both, but changing whichever is part of your backend will probably suffice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From guru at unixarea.de Mon Mar 2 16:07:46 2009 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:07:46 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.x] Wanted StarDict for my Openmoko In-Reply-To: <85bc235f0903020554n7674cac1l3f5ee5f08640409@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090301075100.GA2853@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20090301145602.GA13881@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20090301160803.GA25225@rebelion.Sisis.de> <85bc235f0903020554n7674cac1l3f5ee5f08640409@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090302150746.GA13832@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Monday, March 02, 2009 a las 08:54:53PM +0700, Alejandro S?iz escribi?: > I'm very interested on having stardict (or its commandline version) too. > >From this discussion line it's not clear to me if you are using debian or if > there is a way to install a debian package in 2008.x, could anyone please > clarify this for me? Thanks! I'm running (as the Subject: says) Om2008.9 im my FR; and yes, you can install in some dirty way *.dep packages in Om2008.x; I do it this way, don't know if there is some other/better way: - untar the *.dep file $ tar xzf sdcv_0.4.2-9_armel.deb - move the resulting file 'data.tar.gz' to the FR and have a look into; - mostly the structure is like this: ./usr ./usr/bin ./usr/bin/sdcv ... i.e. you can just 'cd /' and unpack the content I've now sdcv working in UTF-8 with my Spanish dictionary. matthias PD:Please don't top-post -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ From dreilly at atariland.net Mon Mar 2 16:11:14 2009 From: dreilly at atariland.net (Dylan Reilly) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:11:14 -0500 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Dead gstreamer? In-Reply-To: References: <7654cee60903012044t5d12edf0se501858810fed6eb@mail.gmail.com> <7654cee60903012111t3d6b87f9ie19fde035b6de75@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7654cee60903020711r24e0090cqacca1730ae488313@mail.gmail.com> I fixed this and pushed a new version to opkg.org. I apologize. It looks like I need a better test procedure. Please do let me know if you find any more issues. FYI, seeking is bugged ATM. I will get to that as soon as I can. On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:14 AM, The Digital Pioneer wrote: > Well, unfortunately: > > root at om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install gst-plugin-volume > Package gst-plugin-volume (0.10.17-r5) installed in root is up to date. > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly From monnier at iro.umontreal.ca Mon Mar 2 16:30:22 2009 From: monnier at iro.umontreal.ca (Stefan Monnier) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:30:22 -0500 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Dead gstreamer? References:

Message-ID: > See subject, I use SHR-Unstable. :\ Is mpd available for that? It's packaged for OpenWRT, and it shouldn't be difficult to package it for OpenEmbedded, so if it's not, that's easy to fix. Stefan From baba_melone at yahoo.de Mon Mar 2 17:03:26 2009 From: baba_melone at yahoo.de (hab keen oh ne) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:03:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: New accelerometer application, that draws the current perpendicular line and angle Message-ID: <868424.53890.qm@web26307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Community, I have recently written a little utility, that draws the perpendicular line using the accelerometers. It is based upon SDL and SDL_ttf (for drawing the angle). I hope you can enjoy it, I will soon release a binary package. Here the source code: http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/perpendicular-0.1.tar.bz2 It only contains a very ugly Makefile, I hope you can manage to compile it. Greetings, Martin Puffe. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090302/de7e210c/attachment.htm From nytowl at openmoko.org Mon Mar 2 17:14:56 2009 From: nytowl at openmoko.org (Angus Ainslie) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:14:56 -0700 Subject: Om2009 release plan Message-ID: <1236010496.6800.1143.camel@alap> Spring a time for new beginnings and we have a plan. An Om2009 release plan that is. For the remainder of March we are going to be integrating. We're going put FSO milestone 5.5, the stable kernel, paroli and the new xorg-glamo drivers together and make our most stable distro ever. Any incomplete features need to be finished and integrated before the end of March. The builds in March will be called Alpha builds, and will receive only partial testing. The following features already have an owner and will be taken care of before the end of March: phone calls incoming and outgoing sms incoming and outgoing simple phone book (no images) call log charging suspend and resume alarm clock resume speed < 2 seconds boot time < 2 minutes screen lock battery indicator (gta01 and gta02 battery) gsm indicator Then there are still features looking for someone to help bring them in before the end of March: Settings application gprs & edge user changeable ring tones bluetooth wifi led indication for missed calls or sms sliding in UI In April we start with Beta builds and full testing. From then on only critical features and bug fixes will be backported into the branch. If you're brave and test with us please use the bug filing procedure below. During the Beta phase in April and May, the phone will become fully functional. Full testing will be weekly at this point to try and nail the stability. Any remaining bugs will need closing. This is when we need to nail all the showstopper bugs and we're going to need your ( the communities help ). Your responsibility will be to find bugs and make sure they get into trac.openmoko.org. When filing a bug : 1) Don't request new features or enhancements during this period. They will slow us down. 2) search 3 different ways to make sure it's not a duplicate. Duplicates will slow us down. The couple of extra minutes you try to search will save us a lot of time and may even find you a solution. During your search if you find bugs that might depend on one another add it to the comments. 3) attach your log files ( anything in /tmp or /var/log that ends in log ). 4) include as much of a description as you can. 5) include patches. They make fixing the bugs easier. At the end of May we'll start generating release candidates (RC builds). If we all pull together we should be able to get it out in the second week of June. If it's not quite right yet we'll keep doing release candidates until it is. I don't want to jinx it by saying the release is going to be Om2009.x ,we'll leave off the x and aim for June. Who's in? And about the enhancements and feature requests I'm serious they kill schedules so if you want us to make it don't ask for anything that's not in the UI spec ( to be released at http://www.paroli-project.org/, shortly I hope ). Angus Ainslie Openmoko Distribution Maintainer From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 17:17:35 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:17:35 -0600 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Dead gstreamer? In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: > It's packaged for OpenWRT, and it shouldn't be difficult to package it > for OpenEmbedded, so if it's not, that's easy to fix. Perhaps, but I can't get anything resembling a toolchain going... :\ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090302/50bc7b7b/attachment.htm From cchandel at yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 17:53:17 2009 From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:53:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: yaml rule to stop suspending when using gps In-Reply-To: <49ABA784.5020507@hist.no> References: <1235115886.2497.32.camel@bunyip.localdomain> <499FF361.6070504@openmoko.com> <20090225125812.31dac78b@penguin.cz> <20090225132931.6fa20f7c@penguin.cz> <20090225125946.GB1159@fluxnetz.de> <49A7BCD8.4040600@hist.no> <20090228150000.GA23846@fluxnetz.de> <49ABA784.5020507@hist.no> Message-ID: <1236012797999-2410291.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Helge Hafting wrote: > >> in addition to the ophonekitd bugs there was also a bug in frameworkd >> regarding the release of the display resource. > Has the fix been sent to FSO? I'm having similar problems on FSO. After I request resource CPU / Display - yhe release does not seem to restart suspending / display dimming. Seems like your fix might sort that out too. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/yaml-rule-to-stop-suspending-when-using-gps-tp2357555p2410291.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From cchandel at yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 17:53:48 2009 From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:53:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Context based usage of the 'AUX' button In-Reply-To: <49ABBDFE.7020405@hist.no> References: <1235712446071-2394031.post@n2.nabble.com> <49ABBDFE.7020405@hist.no> Message-ID: <1236012828608-2410294.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Helge Hafting wrote: > > With SHR, the normal use for AUX is to lock/unlock the screen. This is > useful when you can't suspend, but still want to put the phone in a > pocket where accidental pressing may happen. > Well, I was thinking more of a configurable action - either in rules.yaml (that covers some user cases) or by exposing the functionality in a known way that allows apps to override the normal usage. Also, there could be different uses depending on whether there is one press, two presses or a long press. Maybe a long press could be used as a screen lock - leaving the other two for context based use. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Context-based-usage-of-the-%27AUX%27-button-tp2394031p2410294.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 17:57:12 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:57:12 +0100 Subject: yaml rule to stop suspending when using gps In-Reply-To: <1236012797999-2410291.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1235115886.2497.32.camel@bunyip.localdomain> <20090225125812.31dac78b@penguin.cz> <20090225132931.6fa20f7c@penguin.cz> <20090225125946.GB1159@fluxnetz.de> <49A7BCD8.4040600@hist.no> <20090228150000.GA23846@fluxnetz.de> <49ABA784.5020507@hist.no> <1236012797999-2410291.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 17:53, c_c wrote: > ?Has the fix been sent to FSO? http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=commit;h=65ebcc86e85980827925588753f47bebf6d4a96e From b.de.bangkok at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 18:09:04 2009 From: b.de.bangkok at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alejandro_S=E1iz?=) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:09:04 +0700 Subject: [Om2008.x] Wanted StarDict for my Openmoko In-Reply-To: <20090302150746.GA13832@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20090301075100.GA2853@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20090301145602.GA13881@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20090301160803.GA25225@rebelion.Sisis.de> <85bc235f0903020554n7674cac1l3f5ee5f08640409@mail.gmail.com> <20090302150746.GA13832@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <85bc235f0903020909r1e2c2618u66e42cc3785ff000@mail.gmail.com> > > I'm running (as the Subject: says) Om2008.9 im my FR; and yes, you can > install in some dirty way *.dep packages in Om2008.x; I do it this way, > don't know if there is some other/better way: > > - untar the *.dep file > $ tar xzf sdcv_0.4.2-9_armel.deb > > - move the resulting file 'data.tar.gz' to the FR and have a look into; > > - mostly the structure is like this: > ./usr > ./usr/bin > ./usr/bin/sdcv > ... > > i.e. you can just 'cd /' and unpack the content > > I've now sdcv working in UTF-8 with my Spanish dictionary. So you mean the pre-compiled binary can be run in a different distro as long as it meets the dependencies? That's good to know, thanks. > PD:Please don't top-post Sorry about that... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That's good to know, thanks. the armel packages of debian are working with all other distros, too. since the package names to frinst opkg may differ, you could test with ldd which libs are necessary and check with opkg, which packages you need to install. or you just convert the debian packages with alien to simple tar.gz and extract them anywhere you like (/usr/local/ springs to mind). >> PD:Please don't top-post > > Sorry about that... and now we all cut the quotes to the parts really necessary instead of simply hitting reply, scrolling down and typing ... From f.hackenberger at chello.at Mon Mar 2 18:31:10 2009 From: f.hackenberger at chello.at (Florian Hackenberger) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:31:10 +0100 Subject: Om2009 release plan In-Reply-To: <1236010496.6800.1143.camel@alap> References: <1236010496.6800.1143.camel@alap> Message-ID: <200903021831.10644.f.hackenberger@chello.at> On Monday 02 March 2009, Angus Ainslie wrote: > And about the enhancements and feature requests I'm serious they kill > schedules so if you want us to make it don't ask for anything that's > not in the UI spec ( to be released at > http://www.paroli-project.org/, shortly I hope ). Thanks for keeping us informed of the release schedule! One question related to paroli comes to mind. I tested paroli (from SVN) with FSO 5.1 and noticed that paroli is meant to be running full screen. Is that a temporary requirement? Because it would basically rule out the use of a window manager like illume and would result in having to implement WM, launcher (.desktop), systray, ... functionality in paroli, which would obviously be quite a duplication of effort. Could someone please explain the paroli plans with respect to the fullscreen requirement? Cheers, Florian -- DI Florian Hackenberger florian at hackenberger.at www.hackenberger.at From flamma at correo.ugr.es Mon Mar 2 18:39:37 2009 From: flamma at correo.ugr.es (flamma at correo.ugr.es) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:39:37 +0100 (CET) Subject: Context based usage of the 'AUX' button In-Reply-To: <1236012828608-2410294.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1235712446071-2394031.post@n2.nabble.com><49ABBDFE.7020405@hist.no> <1236012828608-2410294.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <40062.213.98.92.153.1236015577.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es> > Well, I was thinking more of a configurable action - either in > rules.yaml > (that covers some user cases) or by exposing the functionality in a known > way that allows apps to override the normal usage. > Also, there could be different uses depending on whether there is one > press, two presses or a long press. Maybe a long press could be used as a > screen lock - leaving the other two for context based use. AFAIK, scummvm overrides it so it makes an 'F5' pulsation. It ceased to work with 2008.08, but it works again in 2008.12, as I can see. From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 18:46:40 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:46:40 -0600 Subject: Context based usage of the 'AUX' button In-Reply-To: <40062.213.98.92.153.1236015577.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es> References: <1235712446071-2394031.post@n2.nabble.com> <49ABBDFE.7020405@hist.no> <1236012828608-2410294.post@n2.nabble.com> <40062.213.98.92.153.1236015577.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es> Message-ID: Is THAT how you quit games in ScummVM? I have no idea what F5 does in it, but I haven't figured out how to quit games once I start them, short of killing it from SSH. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I also followed Matthias's advice (in other discussion) to get UTF8 on vala-terminal, and now I have a Thai dictionary! Most useful for me. However I get a message: sdcv: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: no version information available (required by sdcv) Does anyone know why? > >> PD:Please don't top-post > > > > Sorry about that... > and now we all cut the quotes to the parts really necessary instead of > simply hitting reply, scrolling down and typing ... Ok I'll try -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090303/1ee71cc6/attachment.htm From flamma at correo.ugr.es Mon Mar 2 19:03:55 2009 From: flamma at correo.ugr.es (flamma at correo.ugr.es) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:03:55 +0100 (CET) Subject: Context based usage of the 'AUX' button In-Reply-To: References: <1235712446071-2394031.post@n2.nabble.com><49ABBDFE.7020405@hist .no> <1236012828608-2410294.post@n2.nabble.com><40062.213.98.92.153.1236015577.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es> Message-ID: <35271.213.98.92.153.1236017035.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es> > Is THAT how you quit games in ScummVM? I have no idea what F5 does in it, > but I haven't figured out how to quit games once I start them, short of > killing it from SSH. > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > It is THAT how we quit games in ScummVM and how we save and load progress (more importantly). F5 is the key to bring a menu for doing such kind of things, as well as configuring things (and it serves as pause too). From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 19:10:41 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:10:41 -0600 Subject: Context based usage of the 'AUX' button In-Reply-To: <35271.213.98.92.153.1236017035.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es> References: <1235712446071-2394031.post@n2.nabble.com> <1236012828608-2410294.post@n2.nabble.com> <40062.213.98.92.153.1236015577.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es> <35271.213.98.92.153.1236017035.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es> Message-ID: Well, I may be able to play Monkey Island on my FR after all. :) One other question, though... Is there a way to skip through long videos or intros? Escape does it on a normal system, but I can't do that for obvious reasons on the Freerunner. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090302/31640ac4/attachment.htm From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 19:17:52 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:17:52 -0600 Subject: Context based usage of the 'AUX' button In-Reply-To: References: <1235712446071-2394031.post@n2.nabble.com> <1236012828608-2410294.post@n2.nabble.com> <40062.213.98.92.153.1236015577.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es> <35271.213.98.92.153.1236017035.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es> Message-ID: Ack, nope, AUX has no effect. I'm seriously wondering if my SHR is just screwed up so that AUX doesn't work at all, since I have not encountered a situation yet where hitting it did anything. Locking doesn't work either, which ticks me off... :\ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090302/d9c0e198/attachment.htm From risto at kurppa.fi Mon Mar 2 19:33:20 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:33:20 +0200 Subject: New accelerometer application, that draws the current perpendicular line and angle In-Reply-To: <868424.53890.qm@web26307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <868424.53890.qm@web26307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:03 PM, hab keen oh ne wrote: > Hi Community, > I have recently written a little utility, that draws the perpendicular line > using the accelerometers. It is based upon SDL and SDL_ttf (for drawing the > angle). I hope you can enjoy it, I will soon release a binary package. > Here the source code: > http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/perpendicular-0.1.tar.bz2 > It only contains a very ugly Makefile, I hope you can manage to compile it. > Greetings, > Martin Puffe. No, I didn't manage to compile.. I downloaded it to Freerunner, tried ./configure, make etc and nothing happened. How do you make it run? I'd appreciate an ipk/opk package. Thanks! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From damianspriggs at mac.com Mon Mar 2 19:33:03 2009 From: damianspriggs at mac.com (Damian Spriggs) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:33:03 -0500 Subject: Context based usage of the 'AUX' button In-Reply-To: References: <1235712446071-2394031.post@n2.nabble.com> <1236012828608-2410294.post@n2.nabble.com> <40062.213.98.92.153.1236015577.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es> <35271.213.98.92.153.1236017035.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es> Message-ID: I've had this happen when ScummVM freezes or exits unintentionally. I've found that starting and quitting ScumVM without playing anything brings the AUX lock back. you could also remap the key with xmodmap. On Mar 2, 2009, at 1:17 PM, The Digital Pioneer wrote: > Ack, nope, AUX has no effect. I'm seriously wondering if my SHR is > just screwed up so that AUX doesn't work at all, since I have not > encountered a situation yet where hitting it did anything. Locking > doesn't work either, which ticks me off... :\ > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 19:36:40 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:36:40 -0600 Subject: Context based usage of the 'AUX' button In-Reply-To: References: <1235712446071-2394031.post@n2.nabble.com> <1236012828608-2410294.post@n2.nabble.com> <40062.213.98.92.153.1236015577.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es> <35271.213.98.92.153.1236017035.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es>

Message-ID: My broken AUX has nothing to do with ScummVM. AUX hasn't done anything since I flashed SHR-unstable. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090302/1085dacf/attachment.htm From damianspriggs at mac.com Mon Mar 2 19:39:41 2009 From: damianspriggs at mac.com (Damian Spriggs) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:39:41 -0500 Subject: Context based usage of the 'AUX' button In-Reply-To: References: <1235712446071-2394031.post@n2.nabble.com> <1236012828608-2410294.post@n2.nabble.com> <40062.213.98.92.153.1236015577.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es> <35271.213.98.92.153.1236017035.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es>

Message-ID: try this: enlightenment_remote -binding-key-add ANY "Keycode-177" NONE 1 "simple_lock" "" On Mar 2, 2009, at 1:36 PM, The Digital Pioneer wrote: > My broken AUX has nothing to do with ScummVM. AUX hasn't done > anything since I flashed SHR-unstable. > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From nytowl at openmoko.org Mon Mar 2 19:40:21 2009 From: nytowl at openmoko.org (Angus Ainslie) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:40:21 -0700 Subject: Om2009 release plan In-Reply-To: <200903021831.10644.f.hackenberger@chello.at> References: <1236010496.6800.1143.camel@alap> <200903021831.10644.f.hackenberger@chello.at> Message-ID: <1236019221.6800.1163.camel@alap> On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 18:31 +0100, Florian Hackenberger wrote: > Thanks for keeping us informed of the release schedule! One question > related to paroli comes to mind. I tested paroli (from SVN) with FSO > 5.1 and noticed that paroli is meant to be running full screen. Is that > a temporary requirement? Because it would basically rule out the use of > a window manager like illume and would result in having to implement > WM, launcher (.desktop), systray, ... functionality in paroli, which > would obviously be quite a duplication of effort. Could someone please > explain the paroli plans with respect to the fullscreen requirement? > > Cheers, > Florian > Full screen is how paroli is intended to be used. It will not be a WM, launcher etc. It will still co-exist quite nicely with illume and that is how I've been running it for the last few days. Providing a stable phone platform is what paroli is about. Once the UI spec is published it should become a little clearer. Angus From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 19:43:11 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:43:11 +0100 Subject: Context based usage of the 'AUX' button In-Reply-To: References: <1235712446071-2394031.post@n2.nabble.com> <1236012828608-2410294.post@n2.nabble.com> <40062.213.98.92.153.1236015577.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es> <35271.213.98.92.153.1236017035.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es>

Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 19:36, The Digital Pioneer wrote: > My broken AUX has nothing to do with ScummVM. AUX hasn't done anything since > I flashed SHR-unstable. In /etc/X11/Xserver change vt1 to vt4 on line 116. From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 19:52:01 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:52:01 -0600 Subject: Context based usage of the 'AUX' button In-Reply-To: References: <1235712446071-2394031.post@n2.nabble.com> <1236012828608-2410294.post@n2.nabble.com> <40062.213.98.92.153.1236015577.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es> <35271.213.98.92.153.1236017035.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es>

Message-ID: Well, that got my lock screen back! Thanks!! :D Aux still has no effect on ScummVM as near as I can tell, but I can't get past the dumb intro screen so I don't know for sure... I need another SCUMM game. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090302/f0fa8486/attachment.htm From vanous at penguin.cz Mon Mar 2 20:01:51 2009 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:01:51 +0100 Subject: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?) References: <49A26AFF.7010307@dfki.de> <49A277D0.7090208@nlpagan.net> <49A2B52B.5090802@hist.no> <26fea52c0902230649x3374ddd4t90aa0be0f6eb20ef@mail.gmail.com> <20090223202624.7664ec80@j.newkirk.us> <26fea52c0902231733m726924e3ufd35b1d3eccfe667@mail.gmail.com> <49A3DAB9.9030104@hist.no> <20090224161843.3f50a37b@j.newkirk.us> <49A52EFF.3090903@hist.no> <20090225234300.7df30394@j.newkirk.us> <49A66F8F.7060703@hist.no> <20090228013512.6dc8df34.raster@rasterman.com> <49ABB87C.1050802@hist.no> <20090303004401.61a6e9d4.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <20090302200151.07388bce@penguin.cz> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:44:01 +1100 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) (CH(R) wrote: >remember you are just getting e's default upstream theme - it actually >works just fine on the more modern devices i have (omap3, 6410 etc.) Raster, what devices are those? Do they feature a gsm device too? thank you Petr From vanous at penguin.cz Mon Mar 2 20:26:53 2009 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:26:53 +0100 Subject: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.1) References: <49A09951.2030401@omoco.de> <49A476EC.1050601@omoco.de> <49A52107.90604@hist.no> <49A52421.6070605@omoco.de> Message-ID: <20090302202653.5a0ae20b@penguin.cz> >so if you want collect offline every 10 seconds you have to push: >offline mode, auto submit, auto check being on the road today i did remember this issue but not exactly as how to set c.h. properly to collect in offline mode so i also ended up not collecting anything... the offline button has a popup with explanation, could it also have this issue mentioned or include a buton (or autoset) auto check? As also mentioned, number of collected cells would be nice. How does c.h. talk to gps? via gpsd? Petr From helge.hafting at hist.no Mon Mar 2 20:54:53 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:54:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Another attempt at speeding up yaouh, with persistent connections Message-ID: <1236023693621-2411310.post@n2.nabble.com> My last attempt at speeding up yaouh was not only clunky to use, it also drove the cpu load up to 12-15, which made the phone extremely sluggish during the update. This time I took a different approach that keeps the load in the 0.3-0.5 range. There is no more parallelism than what you find in standard yaouh v. 0.4, most of the speedup comes from avoiding network latency. Standard yaouh uses curl to fetch the checksum for one file at a time. My approach have curl downloading all the files in a directory in one operation. This helps a lot, because curl will use persistent connections instead of making a new connection per file. Not having to start a new process for each file helps too. It looks like openstreetmap can have up to 50 files in a directory. The same trick is used for md5sum, as md5sum also is capable of processing several files in one go. This avoid some process startup time as well. Finally, files that aren't up-to-date are downloaded with curl instead of wget. This way one invocation can download all stale tiles in a directory in one go, again utilizing persistent connections. So far this program has checked 5100 files in 12 minutes, and downloaded 260. It looks like it will get through all my 50.000 tiles in under 2 hours. I use wifi, the usb connection may be slower. If anyone want to try, here is the download link. http://www.aitel.hist.no/~helgehaf/openmoko/yaouh_new.py Install yaouh v 0.4 from opkg.org if you don't already have it, so that all dependencies are in place. My modified script should then work. Helge Hafting -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Another-attempt-at-speeding-up-yaouh%2C-with-persistent-connections-tp2411310p2411310.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mertensb.mazda at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 20:56:59 2009 From: mertensb.mazda at gmail.com (Bram Mertens) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:56:59 +0100 Subject: unable to get the boot menu Message-ID: <4f1666380903021156oe7f729k7bf3964c365bedfd@mail.gmail.com> Hi I've received a GTA-02 for a couple of weeks to see if it will suit my needs. I've identified the distribution on the devices internal drive as FDOM based on screenshots of the various distributions online. Settings / System Information shows: Version Build ID cd512fde1aee5f4ba368d8acc1f2fb7a32773d3 Branch org.openmoko.stable Build Host barbie Time Stamp Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:15:27 + 0800 U-Boot Neo1973 Bootloader U-Boot 1.3.2-moko12 I found the instructions on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia to be the most clear on how to install a distribution to an SD card so I've followed those instructions to install the files of qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-flash.tgz (from http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=98). So now I have what I believe to be everything I need on the SD but I'm unable to boot it! I've tried several times to follow the instructions on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner as well as those on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader but I cannot get the device to display the boot menu. >From the above I understand that the following should suffice: 1) shut down the device and disconnect it from the computer 2) remove the battery for at least 30 secs 3) press and hold the AUX button 4) press and hold the power button until the boot menu appears The first thing I see is "OpenMoko", then the initialization messages scroll by and FDOM is started. (The AUX button flashes once shortly before "Openmoko" is displayed on the screen.) As this is my first experience with the FreeRunner I'm reluctant to even try and flash the internal memory before I've been able to install a distribution on the SD card. Any pointers on how I can access the boot menu? What information can/should I provide further? Thanks in advance Bram From list-openmoko at omoco.de Mon Mar 2 21:27:01 2009 From: list-openmoko at omoco.de (Sebastian Hammerl) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:27:01 +0100 Subject: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.1) In-Reply-To: <20090302202653.5a0ae20b@penguin.cz> References: <49A09951.2030401@omoco.de> <49A476EC.1050601@omoco.de> <49A52107.90604@hist.no> <49A52421.6070605@omoco.de> <20090302202653.5a0ae20b@penguin.cz> Message-ID: <49AC4115.4020602@omoco.de> Petr Vanek schrieb: >> so if you want collect offline every 10 seconds you have to push: >> offline mode, auto submit, auto check >> > > being on the road today i did remember this issue but not exactly as > how to set c.h. properly to collect in offline mode so i also ended up > not collecting anything... the offline button has a popup with > explanation, could it also have this issue mentioned or include a buton > (or autoset) auto check? > > As also mentioned, number of collected cells would be nice. > > How does c.h. talk to gps? via gpsd? > > Petr > > Hi, i think next release will have a simple mode with only one button "collect now". perhaps only the choice between online and offline. it talks to gps via fso bindings Sebastian > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090302/74f59828/attachment.htm From risto at kurppa.fi Mon Mar 2 21:29:08 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:29:08 +0200 Subject: Another attempt at speeding up yaouh, with persistent connections In-Reply-To: <1236023693621-2411310.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1236023693621-2411310.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Indeed, seems to work quite fast, nice!! Could this be included in the 'official' package? r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From freerunner at newkirk.us Mon Mar 2 22:25:43 2009 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:25:43 -0500 Subject: unable to get the boot menu In-Reply-To: <4f1666380903021156oe7f729k7bf3964c365bedfd@mail.gmail.com> References: <4f1666380903021156oe7f729k7bf3964c365bedfd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090302162543.5393d0c6@j.newkirk.us> On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:56:59 +0100 Bram Mertens wrote: > So now I have what I believe to be everything I need on the SD but I'm > unable to boot it! > > I've tried several times to follow the instructions on > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner as well as > those on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader but I cannot get the > device to display the boot menu. > > From the above I understand that the following should suffice: > 1) shut down the device and disconnect it from the computer > 2) remove the battery for at least 30 secs > 3) press and hold the AUX button > 4) press and hold the power button until the boot menu appears > > The first thing I see is "OpenMoko", then the initialization messages > scroll by and FDOM is started. (The AUX button flashes once shortly > before "Openmoko" is displayed on the screen.) Just to clarify and be sure: 3) Press and hold down AUX button 4) while AUX is still held down, press and hold power button until the boot menu appears. Then release both buttons. That should present you with the NOR boot menu. The NAND boot menu (the one that can be readily overwritten) is accessed by: 3) Press and hold down Power button 4) while holding down power button, and /before/ booting begins (IE, within 5-6 seconds should be fine) press and hold AUX, then release both buttons after boot menu appears. I've never found the powerdown process to be so sensitive... The issue with external power (step #1 refers to AC power as well as USB-port from a host computer) is that when you plug in, it often starts booting without needing a power press. In this situation, however, if you're holding down the AUX button when you plug it in you'll end up with the boot menu. Other than removing the battery to effect a hard-reset, I've never performed step #2 above. Generally you'd want the NAND boot menu to actually boot, since it's presumably at least as new as the NOR, but potentially much newer, possibly drastically different (Qi vs uBoot). Use the NOR boot menu when flashing, however. j From montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 22:41:26 2009 From: montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com (Steven **) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 15:41:26 -0600 Subject: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution In-Reply-To: <49AA741A.50406@users.sourceforge.net> References: <49AA741A.50406@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: You should probably specify exactly which image your testing on the Wiki page. From flamma at correo.ugr.es Mon Mar 2 22:41:50 2009 From: flamma at correo.ugr.es (flamma at correo.ugr.es) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:41:50 +0100 (CET) Subject: Context based usage of the 'AUX' button In-Reply-To: References: <1235712446071-2394031.post@n2.nabble.com><1236012828608-2410294 .post@n2.nabble.com><40062.213.98.92.153.1236015577.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es ><35271.213.98 .92.153.1236017035.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es>

Message-ID: <22128.79.148.178.38.1236030110.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es> > Well, that got my lock screen back! Thanks!! :D > > Aux still has no effect on ScummVM as near as I can tell, but I can't get > past the dumb intro screen so I don't know for sure... I need another > SCUMM > game. You should edit the script that launches scummvm and disable fullscreen mode. So, you can pop the keyboard and skip intros, pause the game or enter information. From aapo.rantalainen at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 22:44:07 2009 From: aapo.rantalainen at gmail.com (Aapo Rantalainen) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 23:44:07 +0200 Subject: Announcing the first programming competition for Openmoko phones Message-ID: We're announcing the first programming competition for Openmoko phones. You're all invited to participate in the competition to code an audiobook / podcast player. Read the rules and more at http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/announcing-the-first-programming-competition-for-openmoko-phones/ Aapo Rantalainen & Risto H. Kurppa From david at garabana.com Mon Mar 2 23:06:17 2009 From: david at garabana.com (David Garabana Barro) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 23:06:17 +0100 Subject: Another attempt at speeding up yaouh, with persistent connections In-Reply-To: <1236023693621-2411310.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1236023693621-2411310.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <200903022306.19390.david@garabana.com> O Luns, 2 de Marzo de 2009, Helge Hafting escribiu: > My last attempt at speeding up yaouh was not only clunky to use, it also It's really fast now!!! Thank you very much for this great program! -- David Garabana Barro jabber & google talk ID: david at garabana.com Clave p?blica PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090302/bedc7a26/attachment.pgp From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 23:07:41 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:07:41 -0600 Subject: Context based usage of the 'AUX' button In-Reply-To: <22128.79.148.178.38.1236030110.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es> References: <1235712446071-2394031.post@n2.nabble.com>

<22128.79.148.178.38.1236030110.squirrel@correo5.ugr.es> Message-ID: Works perfectly. :) Now, I get picky: looking at the way the scummvm script changes AUX to F5 and back, is there a way to do the same thing except change the power button to esc and back? I like the fullscreen... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090302/4e50c325/attachment.htm From guru at unixarea.de Mon Mar 2 23:21:44 2009 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 23:21:44 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.x] Wanted StarDict for my Openmoko In-Reply-To: <85bc235f0903021002r3f5a4f31j5ec8d04b46303c88@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090301075100.GA2853@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20090301145602.GA13881@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20090301160803.GA25225@rebelion.Sisis.de> <85bc235f0903020554n7674cac1l3f5ee5f08640409@mail.gmail.com> <20090302150746.GA13832@rebelion.Sisis.de> <85bc235f0903020909r1e2c2618u66e42cc3785ff000@mail.gmail.com> <85bc235f0903021002r3f5a4f31j5ec8d04b46303c88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090302222144.GA1982@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Tuesday, March 03, 2009 a las 01:02:00AM +0700, Alejandro S?iz escribi?: > However I get a message: > sdcv: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: no version information available (required by > sdcv) > Does anyone know why? Me too; but for now I'm ignoring it; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ From shulyaka at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 23:46:51 2009 From: shulyaka at gmail.com (Denis Shulyaka) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 01:46:51 +0300 Subject: [Om2008.x] Terminal with UTF-8 support wanted In-Reply-To: <20090302094326.GA4822@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20090302094326.GA4822@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <8f5e497b0903021446w22d01ddew7939fa42ca53449@mail.gmail.com> Try to generate locale youself. Something like localedef --no-archive -c -i es-ES -f UTF-8 es-ES.utf8 2009/3/2, Matthias Apitz : > > Hello, > > I need in my FR a Terminal which can handle UTF-8 output; > > root at om-gta02:~# DISPLAY=:0 export DISPLAY > root at om-gta02:~# LANG=es_ES.UTF-8 export LANG > root at om-gta02:~# openmoko-terminal2 > > (openmoko-terminal2:1887): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C > library. > Using the fallback 'C' locale. > moko-terminal constructed > > (openmoko-terminal2:1887): Vte-WARNING **: can not run > /usr/libexec/gnome-pty-helper > update_toolbar > current font size for terminal is 5 > on_idle > on_idle_first_command > > analog for 'xterm'; > > Is there some way to get UTF-8 support? Thx > > matthias > > -- > Matthias Apitz > Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH > Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany > t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 > e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ > b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From nytowl at openmoko.org Tue Mar 3 00:04:19 2009 From: nytowl at openmoko.org (Angus Ainslie) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:04:19 -0700 Subject: Om2009 release plan In-Reply-To: <1236010496.6800.1143.camel@alap> References: <1236010496.6800.1143.camel@alap> Message-ID: <1236035059.5751.145.camel@think-laptop> On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 09:14 -0700, Angus Ainslie wrote: > > During the Beta phase in April and May, the phone will become fully > functional. Full testing will be weekly at this point to try and nail > the stability. Any remaining bugs will need closing. This is when we > need to nail all the showstopper bugs and we're going to need your ( the > communities help ). Your responsibility will be to find bugs and make > sure they get into trac.openmoko.org. Well there's the first oops in the plan. The correct url for bug filing would be : http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ Angus From daniel at openmoko.org Tue Mar 3 00:08:49 2009 From: daniel at openmoko.org (Daniel Willmann) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:08:49 +0100 Subject: thoughts on A-GPS offline In-Reply-To: <1235946314311-2406454.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1234833062165-2338403.post@n2.nabble.com> <1234870139620-2340272.post@n2.nabble.com> <84y6w5qohx.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20090301203116.2faeb8a7@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> <20090301203925.GA6714@sxpert.org> <20090301223235.74e907aa@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> <1235946314311-2406454.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20090303000849.4bd70b5d@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:25:14 -0800 (PST) mqy wrote: > " > UBX-AID-EPH and UBX-AID-ALM Messages for Satellite without valid > Orbits When polling UBX-AID-EPH or UBX-AID-ALM messages, satellites > without valid ephemeris or almanac data will > return a complete UBX-AID-EPH or UBX-AID-ALM message with all data > words set to zero. This doesn?t comply > with the protocol specification. Furthermore, u-blox 5 receivers with > firmware V5.00 and earlier can run into a > floating-point exception when fed with such ?empty? ephemeris. > " > > Is that the cause :D Yeah, thought that at first as well, but almanac data was okay at that point. The position was not, however. I guess the problem the chip tripped over is similar in both cases though. Regards, Daniel Willmann -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090303/97e97ff8/attachment.pgp From mertensb.mazda at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 00:31:54 2009 From: mertensb.mazda at gmail.com (Bram Mertens) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:31:54 +0100 Subject: Fwd: unable to get the boot menu In-Reply-To: <4f1666380903021530k31978088w33b41b49b2d62920@mail.gmail.com> References: <4f1666380903021156oe7f729k7bf3964c365bedfd@mail.gmail.com> <20090302162543.5393d0c6@j.newkirk.us> <4f1666380903021530k31978088w33b41b49b2d62920@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4f1666380903021531x70bcd71foa06aae936299b2a0@mail.gmail.com> (Replied to Joel instead of list by mistake) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bram Mertens Date: Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:30 AM Subject: Re: unable to get the boot menu To: Joel Newkirk On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Joel Newkirk wrote: > On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:56:59 +0100 > Bram Mertens wrote: > >> So now I have what I believe to be everything I need on the SD but I'm >> unable to boot it! >> >> I've tried several times to follow the instructions on >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner as well as >> those on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader but I cannot get the >> device to display the boot menu. >> >> From the above I understand that the following should suffice: >> 1) shut down the device and disconnect it from the computer >> 2) remove the battery for at least 30 secs >> 3) press and hold the AUX button >> 4) press and hold the power button until the boot menu appears >> >> The first thing I see is "OpenMoko", then the initialization messages >> scroll by and FDOM is started. ?(The AUX button flashes once shortly >> before "Openmoko" is displayed on the screen.) > > Just to clarify and be sure: > 3) Press and hold down AUX button > 4) while AUX is still held down, press and hold power button until the > boot menu appears. ?Then release both buttons. > > That should present you with the NOR boot menu. ?The NAND boot menu > (the one that can be readily overwritten) is accessed by: > 3) Press and hold down Power button > 4) while holding down power button, and /before/ booting begins (IE, > within 5-6 seconds should be fine) press and hold AUX, then release both > buttons after boot menu appears. > > I've never found the powerdown process to be so sensitive... ?The issue > with external power (step #1 refers to AC power as well as USB-port from > a host computer) is that when you plug in, it often starts booting > without needing a power press. ?In this situation, however, if you're > holding down the AUX button when you plug it in you'll end up with the > boot menu. ?Other than removing the battery to effect a hard-reset, I've > never performed step #2 above. > > Generally you'd want the NAND boot menu to actually boot, since it's > presumably at least as new as the NOR, but potentially much newer, > possibly drastically different (Qi vs uBoot). ?Use the NOR boot menu > when flashing, however. > > j > > I've tried several times again. After removing the battery for several minutes the device automatically boots when the battery is replaced. ?By the time I've turned the device around after replacing the back cover the "openmoko" logo is already displayed. ?(The device was not connected to any computer.) So I've shut the device down again by pressing the power button for several seconds. Without removing the battery but waiting some 30 seconds: 1) press and hold AUX 2) press and hold power after about 4 seconds the AUX button lights up, about 2 seconds later the "openmoko" logo is displayed and after that the device boots I released both buttons as soon as the "openmoko" logo was displayed. Again power down the device 1) press and hold power 2) press (and hold) AUX approx 2 seconds after pressing power before the openmoko logo is displayed again the device boots without displaying any kind of boot menu Is it possible to reconfigure the wait time of the boot menu via the device? ?I can't find anything in the settings menu or any terminal application that would allow me to execute commands. Regards Bram From raster at rasterman.com Tue Mar 3 01:20:59 2009 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:20:59 +1100 Subject: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?) In-Reply-To: <20090302200151.07388bce@penguin.cz> References: <49A26AFF.7010307@dfki.de> <49A277D0.7090208@nlpagan.net> <49A2B52B.5090802@hist.no> <26fea52c0902230649x3374ddd4t90aa0be0f6eb20ef@mail.gmail.com> <20090223202624.7664ec80@j.newkirk.us> <26fea52c0902231733m726924e3ufd35b1d3eccfe667@mail.gmail.com> <49A3DAB9.9030104@hist.no> <20090224161843.3f50a37b@j.newkirk.us> <49A52EFF.3090903@hist.no> <20090225234300.7df30394@j.newkirk.us> <49A66F8F.7060703@hist.no> <20090228013512.6dc8df34.raster@rasterman.com> <49ABB87C.1050802@hist.no> <20090303004401.61a6e9d4.raster@rasterman.com> <20090302200151.07388bce@penguin.cz> Message-ID: <20090303112059.5d2f2315.raster@rasterman.com> On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:01:51 +0100 Petr Vanek said: > On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:44:01 +1100 > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) (CH(R) wrote: > > >remember you are just getting e's default upstream theme - it actually > >works just fine on the more modern devices i have (omap3, 6410 etc.) > > Raster, what devices are those? Do they feature a gsm device too? maybe. maybe not. this is the point where you will just be guessing. :) -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From raab.alexander at gmx.at Tue Mar 3 01:39:15 2009 From: raab.alexander at gmx.at (Alexander Raab) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 01:39:15 +0100 Subject: Bying a Freerunner with the "buzz"-fix on it Message-ID: <49AC7C33.50000@gmx.at> Hi, I'm thinking about getting a Freerunner. But a few months ago I met someone and he told me that the buzzing is quite heavy. I read about a fix for that on the A7, but there is only a A6 sold. Have I missed something? And whats about the GTA03? Would it be sold this year, next year or ... best regards Alex -- This email was Anti Virus checked From david at garabana.com Tue Mar 3 02:41:26 2009 From: david at garabana.com (David Garabana Barro) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 02:41:26 +0100 Subject: [All] To build a better music player In-Reply-To: <7654cee60902260801x15b2be3eo248e704c695d07f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <7654cee60901151017k25f49ee6u64fc0e4eef14bbf0@mail.gmail.com> <499C1F0F.3000701@hist.no> <7654cee60902260801x15b2be3eo248e704c695d07f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903030241.29081.david@garabana.com> O Xoves, 26 de Febreiro de 2009, Dylan Reilly escribiu: > FYI, there is a new version of pythm available on opkg.org > I only miss one little thing When you add an entire directory to playlist, tracks are alphabetically ordered, but, if exists, they should be ordered by track # (from ID3 or ogg tags). 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Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090303/a4af6d72/attachment.pgp From freerunner at newkirk.us Tue Mar 3 02:57:33 2009 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:57:33 -0500 Subject: Om2009 release plan In-Reply-To: <1236010496.6800.1143.camel@alap> References: <1236010496.6800.1143.camel@alap> Message-ID: <20090302205733.4edba889@j.newkirk.us> On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:14:56 -0700 Angus Ainslie wrote: > The following features already have an owner and will be taken care of > before the end of March: > phone calls incoming and outgoing > sms incoming and outgoing > simple phone book (no images) > call log > charging > suspend and resume > alarm clock > resume speed < 2 seconds > boot time < 2 minutes > screen lock > battery indicator (gta01 and gta02 battery) > gsm indicator > > Then there are still features looking for someone to help bring them > in before the end of March: > Settings application > gprs & edge > user changeable ring tones > bluetooth > wifi > led indication for missed calls or sms > sliding in UI Two questions. What about package management GUI - is one planned to be included? Can you clarify "sliding in UI"? j From karadog at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 03:08:31 2009 From: karadog at gmail.com (HouYu Li) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:08:31 +0800 Subject: Om2009 release plan In-Reply-To: <20090302205733.4edba889@j.newkirk.us> References: <1236010496.6800.1143.camel@alap> <20090302205733.4edba889@j.newkirk.us> Message-ID: I think "package management GUI" can be included in "Settings application". And for the wifi feature, I recommend the knjMokoWifi which using PHP-GTK. It works very well and with comprehensive interface. On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Joel Newkirk wrote: > On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:14:56 -0700 > Angus Ainslie wrote: > > > The following features already have an owner and will be taken care of > > before the end of March: > > phone calls incoming and outgoing > > sms incoming and outgoing > > simple phone book (no images) > > call log > > charging > > suspend and resume > > alarm clock > > resume speed < 2 seconds > > boot time < 2 minutes > > screen lock > > battery indicator (gta01 and gta02 battery) > > gsm indicator > > > > Then there are still features looking for someone to help bring them > > in before the end of March: > > Settings application > > gprs & edge > > user changeable ring tones > > bluetooth > > wifi > > led indication for missed calls or sms > > sliding in UI > > Two questions. > > What about package management GUI - is one planned to be included? > > Can you clarify "sliding in UI"? > > j > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Programmer Red Hat Certified Engineer Shanghai, China -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090303/ce7fb9df/attachment.htm From dreilly at atariland.net Tue Mar 3 04:03:33 2009 From: dreilly at atariland.net (Dylan Reilly) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:03:33 -0500 Subject: [All] To build a better music player In-Reply-To: <49ABAB53.5090009@hist.no> References: <7654cee60901151017k25f49ee6u64fc0e4eef14bbf0@mail.gmail.com> <7654cee60902110756t61e9566aye465288c2b154178@mail.gmail.com> <7654cee60902121455m3cd87e27s30b31226a3ad49bc@mail.gmail.com> <499954A4.9070702@hist.no> <7654cee60902171137k685e563ciad9833f0ba8c0573@mail.gmail.com> <499C1F0F.3000701@hist.no> <7654cee60902260801x15b2be3eo248e704c695d07f1@mail.gmail.com> <49A7B633.6000704@hist.no> <7654cee60902270948x3e4f3957h81c98f294aaeb863@mail.gmail.com> <49ABAB53.5090009@hist.no> Message-ID: <7654cee60903021903m415060baiee24528d811d8937@mail.gmail.com> * The "cannot set suspend messages" are OK. They are there in debug output for the sake of debugging. Pythm requests CPU resource from FSO to halt suspending during playback. Frameworkd is smart enough to only allow one lock per process. That message is FSO telling pythm that. * I fixed the "volume" problem in 0.5.5. Please upgrade to that version. * Thank you for the bug about the directory structure. I will look into handling that better. Eventually pythm will be able to remember things like directories on its own (without /etc/pythm.conf). I am planning to add some sort of session memory. * I agree that the files should be sorted by track number. Sorting by file name was step 1. The original pythm had no sorting. This is a known TODO. On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 4:48 AM, Helge Hafting wrote: > Dylan Reilly wrote: >> I am not seeing this problem. Can you look through /etc/pythm.log and >> see if there is anything interesting in there, or send it to me? >> > $ pythm > No Locale found, falling back! Error was:[Errno 2] No translation file > found for domain: 'pythm' > new conf > using gstreamer backend > /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py:242: > DeprecationWarning: object.__init__() takes no parameters > ? super(Connection, self).__init__(*args, **kwargs) > error executing:[Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/media/card/Music/Albums' > > > (The last message is ok, I have my music in a different directory. > Usually, navigating there is possible though. But now, the "up button" > does nothing and the file list is empty. After quitting, this happens:) > > delete event occurred > destroy signal occurred > Exception in thread Thread-2 (most likely raised during interpreter > shutdown): > Traceback (most recent call last): > ? File "/usr/lib/python2.6/threading.py", line 522, in __bootstrap_inner > ? File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/pythm/backend/backend.py", > line 496, in run > : 'NoneType' object is not callable > Exception in thread Thread-3 (most likely raised during interpreter > shutdown): > Traceback (most recent call last): > ? File "/usr/lib/python2.6/threading.py", line 522, in __bootstrap_inner > ? File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/pythm/backend/backend.py", > line 496, in run > : 'NoneType' object is not callable > Exception in thread Thread-1 (most likely raised during interpreter > shutdown): > Traceback (most recent call last): > ? File "/usr/lib/python2.6/threading.py", line 522, in __bootstrap_inner > ? File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/pythm/backend/backend.py", > line 496, in run > : 'NoneType' object is not callable > > > And here is /tmp/pythm.log : > 2009-03-02 10:35:40,663 DEBUG Unable to set no suspend: > org.freesmartphone.Usage.UserUnknown: User :1.30 did not request CPU > before releasing it > 2009-03-02 10:36:31,734 DEBUG Unable to set no suspend: > org.freesmartphone.Usage.UserUnknown: User :1.30 did not request CPU > before releasing it > > Nothing about my problems, but it apparently have problems turning off > suspend. Maybe SHR changed this part? > > I changed the music directory in /etc/pythm.conf. This time, the album > list came up. It'd be nice if a wrong album directory still allows one > to go up in the directory structure - one can then navigate manually > to were the music is. This was possible before. > > Playing the music still fails. I get the correct song length displayed, > and the seconds counts up. But I can't hear anything, even if I turn the > volume to 100%. With or without earphones makes no difference. > > Output from pythm: > > ?$ pythm > No Locale found, falling back! Error was:[Errno 2] No translation file > found for domain: 'pythm' > new conf > using gstreamer backend > /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py:242: > DeprecationWarning: object.__init__() takes no parameters > ? super(Connection, self).__init__(*args, **kwargs) > > (pythm-bin:11766): GStreamer-WARNING **: Name volume is not unique in > bin player, not adding > > (pythm-bin:11766): GStreamer-WARNING **: Name volume is not unique in > bin player, not adding > Traceback (most recent call last): > ? File "/usr/lib/python2.6/logging/__init__.py", line 754, in emit > ? ? msg = self.format(record) > ? File "/usr/lib/python2.6/logging/__init__.py", line 637, in format > ? ? return fmt.format(record) > ? File "/usr/lib/python2.6/logging/__init__.py", line 425, in format > ? ? record.message = record.getMessage() > ? File "/usr/lib/python2.6/logging/__init__.py", line 295, in getMessage > ? ? msg = msg % self.args > TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting > > (pythm-bin:11766): GStreamer-WARNING **: Element output is not in bin player > > The logfile now shows this: > $ cat /tmp/pythm.log > 2009-03-02 10:39:41,165 DEBUG Unable to set no suspend: > org.freesmartphone.Usage.UserUnknown: User :1.31 did not request CPU > before releasing it > 2009-03-02 10:40:15,658 DEBUG Going to play song: > /media/card/musikk/Pink Floyd - The Wall/02 The Thin Ice.ogg > 2009-03-02 10:40:15,685 DEBUG Need to load the song. > 2009-03-02 10:40:15,749 ERROR Error loading song Pink Floyd - The Thin > Ice into player 0: Could not add element 'volume' > 2009-03-02 10:40:19,547 DEBUG Async loading new song into player: 1 > 2009-03-02 10:40:19,554 DEBUG Async next song is: > /media/card/musikk/Pink Floyd - The Wall/03 Another Brick In The Wall, > Part I.ogg > 2009-03-02 10:40:19,581 ERROR Error loading song Pink Floyd - Another > Brick In The Wall, Part 1 into player 1: Could not add element 'volume' > 2009-03-02 10:42:15,893 DEBUG Going to play song: > /media/card/musikk/Pink Floyd - The Wall/03 Another Brick In The Wall, > Part I.ogg > 2009-03-02 10:42:15,903 DEBUG Song already loaded. > 2009-03-02 10:42:16,084 DEBUG Unable to set no suspend: > org.freesmartphone.Usage.UserExists: User :1.31 already requested CPU > 2009-03-02 10:42:19,317 DEBUG Async loading new song into player: 0 > 2009-03-02 10:42:19,324 DEBUG Async next song is: > /media/card/musikk/Pink Floyd - The Wall/02 The Thin Ice.ogg > 2009-03-02 10:42:19,344 ERROR Error loading song Pink Floyd - The Thin > Ice into player 0: Could not remove element 'output' > > Helge Hafting > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly From freerunner at newkirk.us Tue Mar 3 05:01:19 2009 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 23:01:19 -0500 Subject: Fwd: unable to get the boot menu In-Reply-To: <4f1666380903021531x70bcd71foa06aae936299b2a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4f1666380903021156oe7f729k7bf3964c365bedfd@mail.gmail.com> <20090302162543.5393d0c6@j.newkirk.us> <4f1666380903021530k31978088w33b41b49b2d62920@mail.gmail.com> <4f1666380903021531x70bcd71foa06aae936299b2a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090302230119.38b079ef@j.newkirk.us> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:31:54 +0100 Bram Mertens wrote: > I've tried several times again. > > After removing the battery for several minutes the device > automatically boots when the battery is replaced. ?By the time I've > turned the device around after replacing the back cover the "openmoko" > logo is already displayed. ?(The device was not connected to any > computer.) > > So I've shut the device down again by pressing the power button for > several seconds. > > Without removing the battery but waiting some 30 seconds: > 1) press and hold AUX > 2) press and hold power > after about 4 seconds the AUX button lights up, about 2 seconds later > the "openmoko" logo is displayed and after that the device boots > I released both buttons as soon as the "openmoko" logo was displayed. > > Again power down the device > 1) press and hold power > 2) press (and hold) AUX approx 2 seconds after pressing power before > the openmoko logo is displayed > > again the device boots without displaying any kind of boot menu > > Is it possible to reconfigure the wait time of the boot menu via the > device? ?I can't find anything in the settings menu or any terminal > application that would allow me to execute commands. > > Regards > > Bram Maybe someone else will have a brighter idea, but all I can suggest at this point is unplug, remove battery, then hold down AUX while inserting battery. If that doesn't work, but it just boots right up instead, then try to confirm that the AUX button is functional, as I'm starting to suspect a bum button. If that's the case I've no idea what solution is feasible. j From lists.nacho at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 05:10:29 2009 From: lists.nacho at gmail.com (Nacho Seijo) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 05:10:29 +0100 Subject: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution In-Reply-To: References: <49AA741A.50406@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <629966ef0903022010q42733d50mb474a8a11f03fcfc@mail.gmail.com> I agree, with Phone Log you have an overview log. That's great! But this is the only way you have to realize you have missed calls. Could it be possible to notify missed calls by a notification screen? Or even better, could it be possible to notify them by an icon on top shelf? Some new top shelf gadget as clock, wifi or gsm. Raster, could this gadget be possible in illume? :) And maybe another icon to notify unread sms, instead of see the unread sms' content in the screen. Since anybody near the Freerunner can read it. Regards -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090303/bfa49f87/attachment.htm From mirko at openmoko.com Tue Mar 3 05:49:57 2009 From: mirko at openmoko.com (Mirko Lindner) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:49:57 -0500 Subject: Om2009 release plan In-Reply-To: <20090302205733.4edba889@j.newkirk.us> References: <1236010496.6800.1143.camel@alap> <20090302205733.4edba889@j.newkirk.us> Message-ID: <49ACB6F5.80105@openmoko.com> Hej, > > Can you clarify "sliding in UI"? > Sliding here means any form of scrolling and dragging. Scrolling of lists such as contacts, messages etc and sliding of items in that list t have secondary functions connected to those. Our problem here is, that the py bindings for etk are broken (and the scrolling would be slow), in elm it seems to be slow using py as well and implementing it in edje/embryo directly is a lot of tricky coding. /mirko From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 07:11:01 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:11:01 +1300 Subject: Another attempt at speeding up yaouh, with persistent connections In-Reply-To: <1236023693621-2411310.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1236023693621-2411310.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770903022211y7a22b8aer9405a2fc008cfa1c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/3 Helge Hafting : > too. It looks like openstreetmap can have up to 50 files in a directory. > ........ > So far this program has checked 5100 files in 12 minutes, and downloaded > 260. It looks like it will get through all my 50.000 tiles in under 2 hours. > I use wifi, the usb connection may be slower. > > If anyone want to try, here is the download link. > http://www.aitel.hist.no/~helgehaf/openmoko/yaouh_new.py awesome, that's lots faster by the way, i don't know if it's important or not, but iirc osm folder structure has up to 128000 files per folder, for zoom 17 From freerunner at newkirk.us Tue Mar 3 07:11:32 2009 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 01:11:32 -0500 Subject: Om2009 release plan In-Reply-To: <1236019221.6800.1163.camel@alap> References: <1236010496.6800.1143.camel@alap> <200903021831.10644.f.hackenberger@chello.at> <1236019221.6800.1163.camel@alap> Message-ID: <20090303011132.3d631f4f@j.newkirk.us> On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:40:21 -0700 Angus Ainslie wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 18:31 +0100, Florian Hackenberger wrote: > > Thanks for keeping us informed of the release schedule! One > > question related to paroli comes to mind. I tested paroli (from > > SVN) with FSO 5.1 and noticed that paroli is meant to be running > > full screen. Is that a temporary requirement? Because it would > > basically rule out the use of a window manager like illume and > > would result in having to implement WM, launcher (.desktop), > > systray, ... functionality in paroli, which would obviously be > > quite a duplication of effort. Could someone please explain the > > paroli plans with respect to the fullscreen requirement? > > > > Cheers, > > Florian > > > > Full screen is how paroli is intended to be used. It will not be a WM, > launcher etc. It will still co-exist quite nicely with illume and that > is how I've been running it for the last few days. Providing a stable > phone platform is what paroli is about. > > Once the UI spec is published it should become a little clearer. > > Angus I've always envisioned a sideways swipe switching from 'desktop' to fullscreen 'phone'/'home' GUI... :) j From freerunner at newkirk.us Tue Mar 3 07:19:17 2009 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 01:19:17 -0500 Subject: Om2009 release plan In-Reply-To: References: <1236010496.6800.1143.camel@alap> <20090302205733.4edba889@j.newkirk.us> Message-ID: <20090303011917.4e0f94d0@j.newkirk.us> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:08:31 +0800 HouYu Li wrote: > I think "package management GUI" can be included in "Settings > application". And for the wifi feature, I recommend the knjMokoWifi > which using PHP-GTK. It works very well and with comprehensive > interface. Package management is something I think of as a fairly independent thing, rather than part of "Settings". Granted its UI could be called up from within a settings panel or something, but its purpose, usage, and design seem distinctly apart from what I think most people consider "settings". Regardless, given the variety and nature of the things itemized I wondered if it had accidentally been omitted, and if so which list it was on. j From vanous at penguin.cz Tue Mar 3 08:01:41 2009 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:01:41 +0100 Subject: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?) References: <49A26AFF.7010307@dfki.de> <49A277D0.7090208@nlpagan.net> <49A2B52B.5090802@hist.no> <26fea52c0902230649x3374ddd4t90aa0be0f6eb20ef@mail.gmail.com> <20090223202624.7664ec80@j.newkirk.us> <26fea52c0902231733m726924e3ufd35b1d3eccfe667@mail.gmail.com> <49A3DAB9.9030104@hist.no> <20090224161843.3f50a37b@j.newkirk.us> <49A52EFF.3090903@hist.no> <20090225234300.7df30394@j.newkirk.us> <49A66F8F.7060703@hist.no> <20090228013512.6dc8df34.raster@rasterman.com> <49ABB87C.1050802@hist.no> <20090303004401.61a6e9d4.raster@rasterman.com> <20090302200151.07388bce@penguin.cz> <20090303112059.5d2f2315.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <20090303080141.52735b7c@penguin.cz> >> >> Raster, what devices are those? Do they feature a gsm device too? > >maybe. maybe not. this is the point where you will just be guessing. :) :) OK, i understand. cheers From olofsj at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 08:46:00 2009 From: olofsj at gmail.com (Olof Sjobergh) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:46:00 +0100 Subject: [Om2008.x] Wanted StarDict for my Openmoko In-Reply-To: <20090301075100.GA2853@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20090301075100.GA2853@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <82e505fc0903022346g1874f8a6m16a93abb53039c9d@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > It would be _extremely_ useful for me to have it as well on my FR; Is > someone working on a port of this? Thx Hi, I'm not working on a port of this, but I'm working on a dictionary program of my own. There's still some stuff to do, so I haven't made any packages yet. I'd recommend you wait until it's a bit more stable, but if you feel like checking it out, it's hosted on Github at http://github.com/olofsj/elexika. I never really liked the way most dictionary programs present the results, so I'm trying to write it the way I'd like it. It's written in Elementary and the dictionary backend is in C for speed. One goal is for it to be simple to add new dictionaries, you just specify in a textfile how the dictionary is formatted and how the results should be presented. However, it doesn't (and probably won't) support fuzzy matching and such like Stardict. Hope you'll like it when it's released. =) Best regards, Olof Sj?bergh From baba_melone at yahoo.de Tue Mar 3 09:10:06 2009 From: baba_melone at yahoo.de (hab keen oh ne) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:10:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: AW: New accelerometer application, that draws the current perpendicular line and angle In-Reply-To: References: <868424.53890.qm@web26307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <338150.15793.qm@web26307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Risto, as the README file says, yu need the openmoko toolchain installed and configured. Look at wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain. To build it you cannot run configure, as there is no such script. Just run 'make perpendicular' and then copy the binary file perpendicular to your phone and enjoy. Remember installing libSDL and libSDL_ttf. Have fun! PS: binary package coming soon, Im trying to manage it today(Im student at a boarding school, so I dont have that much time) ________________________________ Von: Risto H. Kurppa An: List for Openmoko community discussion Gesendet: Montag, den 2. M?rz 2009, 19:33:20 Uhr Betreff: Re: New accelerometer application, that draws the current perpendicular line and angle On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:03 PM, hab keen oh ne wrote: > Hi Community, > I have recently written a little utility, that draws the perpendicular line > using the accelerometers. It is based upon SDL and SDL_ttf (for drawing the > angle). I hope you can enjoy it, I will soon release a binary package. > Here the source code: > http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/perpendicular-0.1.tar.bz2 > It only contains a very ugly Makefile, I hope you can manage to compile it. > Greetings, > Martin Puffe. No, I didn't manage to compile.. I downloaded it to Freerunner, tried ./configure, make etc and nothing happened. How do you make it run? I'd appreciate an ipk/opk package. Thanks! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090303/42a88161/attachment.htm From mickey at openmoko.org Tue Mar 3 10:27:20 2009 From: mickey at openmoko.org (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 10:27:20 +0100 Subject: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution In-Reply-To: <629966ef0903022010q42733d50mb474a8a11f03fcfc@mail.gmail.com> References: <49AA741A.50406@users.sourceforge.net> <629966ef0903022010q42733d50mb474a8a11f03fcfc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236072440.10602.49.camel@andromeda> In my Am Dienstag, den 03.03.2009, 05:10 +0100 schrieb Nacho Seijo: > I agree, with Phone Log you have an overview log. That's great! But > this is the only way you have to realize you have missed calls. > Could it be possible to notify missed calls by a notification screen? > Or even better, could it be possible to notify them by an icon on top > shelf? Some new top shelf gadget as clock, wifi or gsm. I'd appreciate something such as an FSO-gadget that can be used to display various status messages from FSO subsystems (missed calls, data connection active, alarm active, GPS status, etc.) :M: From omega.xavier at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 10:32:33 2009 From: omega.xavier at gmail.com (Xavier Cremaschi) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 10:32:33 +0100 Subject: Bying a Freerunner with the "buzz"-fix on it In-Reply-To: <49AC7C33.50000@gmx.at> References: <49AC7C33.50000@gmx.at> Message-ID: Alexander Raab a ?crit : > Hi, > > I'm thinking about getting a Freerunner. > But a few months ago I met someone and he told me that the buzzing is > quite heavy. > I read about a fix for that on the A7, but there is only a A6 sold. Have > I missed something? > > And whats about the GTA03? Would it be sold this year, next year or ... > > best regards > Alex > In a mail from Steve Mosher (VP Marketing) on 2009/02/1st he wrote : ---------- Feb 2-9: final alsa states for A7 are developed and tested and signed off. Feb 9-16: Phones at the factory are flashed. Feb 16-23: Ship to Disty. Those are not official dates agreed to by everyone working the issue, but I suspect they are close. When will it get to you? That's hard to say. I would expect some disty will try to be the first with A7 phones and will start their order process as the TPE returns for work on 2/2. ---------- About GTA03 I think almost nobody is working on it, it's just a draft (a wiki page ?), am I wrong ? Xavier. From mertensb.mazda at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 10:48:45 2009 From: mertensb.mazda at gmail.com (Bram Mertens) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:48:45 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Fwd: unable to get the boot menu In-Reply-To: <4f1666380903030120u38fc3e5aj4815e93db9aa3bfa@mail.gmail.com> References: <4f1666380903021156oe7f729k7bf3964c365bedfd@mail.gmail.com> <20090302162543.5393d0c6@j.newkirk.us> <4f1666380903021530k31978088w33b41b49b2d62920@mail.gmail.com> <4f1666380903021531x70bcd71foa06aae936299b2a0@mail.gmail.com> <20090302230119.38b079ef@j.newkirk.us> <4f1666380903030120u38fc3e5aj4815e93db9aa3bfa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4f1666380903030148k2d8beb6aq14d613f48c3e7843@mail.gmail.com> Apologies, again reply to sender instead of reply-to-list... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bram Mertens Date: Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: unable to get the boot menu To: Joel Newkirk On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 5:01 AM, Joel Newkirk wrote: > On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:31:54 +0100 > Bram Mertens wrote: > >> I've tried several times again. >> >> After removing the battery for several minutes the device >> automatically boots when the battery is replaced. ?By the time I've >> turned the device around after replacing the back cover the "openmoko" >> logo is already displayed. ?(The device was not connected to any >> computer.) >> >> So I've shut the device down again by pressing the power button for >> several seconds. >> >> Without removing the battery but waiting some 30 seconds: >> 1) press and hold AUX >> 2) press and hold power >> after about 4 seconds the AUX button lights up, about 2 seconds later >> the "openmoko" logo is displayed and after that the device boots >> I released both buttons as soon as the "openmoko" logo was displayed. >> >> Again power down the device >> 1) press and hold power >> 2) press (and hold) AUX approx 2 seconds after pressing power before >> the openmoko logo is displayed >> >> again the device boots without displaying any kind of boot menu >> >> Is it possible to reconfigure the wait time of the boot menu via the >> device? ?I can't find anything in the settings menu or any terminal >> application that would allow me to execute commands. >> >> Regards >> >> Bram > > Maybe someone else will have a brighter idea, but all I can suggest at > this point is unplug, remove battery, then hold down AUX while > inserting battery. ?If that doesn't work, but it just boots right up > instead, then try to confirm that the AUX button is functional, as I'm > starting to suspect a bum button. ?If that's the case I've no idea what > solution is feasible. > > j > Any idea how to test the AUX button? ?During one of my tests keeping the AUX button pressed longer than usual the screen was displayed rotated 90 degrees. ?So at least it had some effect. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find much documentation of the applications installed so I can't tell if any of them should react to the AUX button being pressed. I'll try keeping the AUX button pressed while inserting the battery later. Regards Bram From pander at users.sourceforge.net Tue Mar 3 11:19:16 2009 From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:19:16 +0100 Subject: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution In-Reply-To: <629966ef0903022010q42733d50mb474a8a11f03fcfc@mail.gmail.com> References: <49AA741A.50406@users.sourceforge.net> <629966ef0903022010q42733d50mb474a8a11f03fcfc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AD0424.4010804@users.sourceforge.net> Nacho Seijo wrote: > I agree, with Phone Log you have an overview log. That's great! But this > is the only way you have to realize you have missed calls. > Could it be possible to notify missed calls by a notification screen? Or > even better, could it be possible to notify them by an icon on top > shelf? Some new top shelf gadget as clock, wifi or gsm. > Raster, could this gadget be possible in illume? :) > And maybe another icon to notify unread sms, instead of see the unread > sms' content in the screen. Since anybody near the Freerunner can read it. In the Wiki was talk about differnt kind of LED flash scheme's. A simple flash-flash scheme of the power buttpn LED could be an indicator for a missed call or recieved message. > Regards > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From helge.hafting at hist.no Tue Mar 3 11:34:32 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:34:32 +0100 Subject: Another attempt at speeding up yaouh, with persistent connections In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770903022211y7a22b8aer9405a2fc008cfa1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1236023693621-2411310.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770903022211y7a22b8aer9405a2fc008cfa1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AD07B8.6030608@hist.no> Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/3/3 Helge Hafting : >> too. It looks like openstreetmap can have up to 50 files in a directory. >> > ........ >> So far this program has checked 5100 files in 12 minutes, and downloaded >> 260. It looks like it will get through all my 50.000 tiles in under 2 hours. >> I use wifi, the usb connection may be slower. >> >> If anyone want to try, here is the download link. >> http://www.aitel.hist.no/~helgehaf/openmoko/yaouh_new.py > > awesome, that's lots faster > > by the way, i don't know if it's important or not, but iirc osm folder > structure has up to 128000 files per folder, for zoom 17 > The tiles have 5-digit names, so the max would be 100000 ? Anyway, that could be a problem. With hundred thousand tiles and about 60 byte per URL, pythm would send a 7.5MB parameter list to a invocation of curl. That can easily be trimmed down to 950kB by only sending file names. Still, it'd be interesting to know if the freerunner can handle that at all. A pc usually can. A loop can be used to limit this to something sane, like 1000 files or so. But do anyone actually have that many files? I just checked my 50.000 tiles, and found no more than 250 tiles in any directory. Perhaps a large square area at zoom 17? Further speedups are possible. File check data for 50.000 tiles is 12MB, the limit for such a dataset is how fast 12MB can be downloaded, and how fast all those files can be checksummed. And then there is the transfer of changed tiles. My code is inefficient when there are many small directories, because it starts a new transfer for each directory. To get the best possible speed, pycurl should be used. Everything can then be done from inside python, avoiding process creation overhead. Persistent connections can be utilized for the entire transfer, eliminating the small-directory problem entirely. I am not sure if there is a pycurl package yet though. Installing python-modules dodn't bring it in. Helge Hafting From risto at kurppa.fi Tue Mar 3 11:36:20 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:36:20 +0200 Subject: last.fm anyone? Message-ID: Hi! Has anyone tried to work on a last.fm[1] client for Openmoko? I guess shell.fm[2] would be the easiest solution but anything with a gui? There are some scrobblers like [3] that might work but they aren't able to play the music. [1] http://www.last.fm/home [2] http://nex.scrapping.cc/shell-fm/ [3] http://www.ohrner.net/software/itsgotthevibez_en.php r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From mailing at superzell.fr Tue Mar 3 11:44:03 2009 From: mailing at superzell.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ga=EBl_HERMET?=) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:44:03 +0100 Subject: last.fm anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49AD09F3.2060502@superzell.fr> Risto H. Kurppa a ?crit : > Hi! > > Has anyone tried to work on a last.fm[1] client for Openmoko? I guess > shell.fm[2] would be the easiest solution but anything with a gui? > There are some scrobblers like [3] that might work but they aren't > able to play the music. > > [1] http://www.last.fm/home > [2] http://nex.scrapping.cc/shell-fm/ > [3] http://www.ohrner.net/software/itsgotthevibez_en.php > > > r > Vagalume ? http://vagalume.igalia.com/ From brenda_wang at openmoko.com Tue Mar 3 11:50:44 2009 From: brenda_wang at openmoko.com (Brenda Wang) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:50:44 +0800 Subject: The draft of 13th community updates Message-ID: <49AD0B84.5020008@openmoko.com> Dear list : The 13th community updates will released on Mar , 6. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates/March_6%2C_2009 As usual, I put the draft on Talk page first. Feel free to edit it. If there's some events information missed on the draft page, feel free to add events news on this page or contact me in private. The rule of events information of each community updates should be hold from the release day to the next release day. For example , 13th community updates will released on Mar, 6, the next community updates will released on Mar, 20, so the events information should be on during Mar,6~19 ). Best Regards Brenda From gecco at napodano.com Tue Mar 3 11:53:47 2009 From: gecco at napodano.com (Carlo Minucci) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:53:47 +0100 Subject: Another attempt at speeding up yaouh, with persistent connections In-Reply-To: <1236023693621-2411310.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1236023693621-2411310.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <49AD0C3B.1020501@napodano.com> Helge Hafting ha scritto: > My last attempt at speeding up yaouh was not only clunky to use, it also > drove the cpu load up to 12-15, which made the phone extremely sluggish > during the update. thanks a look for your solution last week i have try make a parallel thread for each zoomlevel but i have found some problem... you solution is more simpler and faster :) i have put this in release 0.5 From gecco at napodano.com Tue Mar 3 11:57:19 2009 From: gecco at napodano.com (Carlo Minucci) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:57:19 +0100 Subject: Yaouh 0.5 out Message-ID: <49AD0D0F.3090702@napodano.com> now is more faster (thanks to Helge Hafting) and i have add a progress bar for see the free space on the disk all info at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh! From helge.hafting at hist.no Tue Mar 3 12:19:47 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:19:47 +0100 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Dead gstreamer? In-Reply-To: References: <1235949451.6342.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <49ABCC76.9020002@hist.no> Message-ID: <49AD1253.6060605@hist.no> The Digital Pioneer wrote: > True, and that's closer to what I use on my computer. However, I believe > the FR is mono anyways, no? Headphones definitely have stereo output - try listening to a band that play with stereo effects. > And the quality can be dropped a ways (I > think so at least) considering that it's playing from a cell phone. It > still sounds perfectly clear, or at least as clear as can be expected > from those speakers. :) Quality is a problem, sure. The FR loudspeaker is small - it has to be. And headphones output is apparently routed through a 1 microfarad capacitor. Combined with 30-40 ohm headphones, results in a high-pass filter with the cutoff at 5kHz or so :-( Helge Hafting From helge.hafting at hist.no Tue Mar 3 12:24:41 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:24:41 +0100 Subject: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution In-Reply-To: <49ABCB96.1080007@users.sourceforge.net> References: <49AA741A.50406@users.sourceforge.net> <49ABC152.5030504@hist.no> <49ABCB96.1080007@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <49AD1379.8020706@hist.no> Pander wrote: > It is more that it is available via easy to controls, i.e. "my mother > could use it". "Settings" should be fine. it is where you go to make changes. Rename "GSM" to "Phone", and "GSM antenna" to "Flight mode" (and swap on/off around) Your mother ought to find it then. :-) Helge Hafting From helge.hafting at hist.no Tue Mar 3 12:31:00 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:31:00 +0100 Subject: thoughts on A-GPS offline In-Reply-To: <20090301203116.2faeb8a7@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> References: <1234833062165-2338403.post@n2.nabble.com> <1234870139620-2340272.post@n2.nabble.com> <84y6w5qohx.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20090301203116.2faeb8a7@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> Message-ID: <49AD14F4.70300@hist.no> Daniel Willmann wrote: > Now that hot-/warmstart with ephemeris playback works with the framework > we should try to get an open server with aiding data available ASAP. > I hope that fso-gpsd gets updated soon too - it'd sure be nice to take advantage of a recently saved ephemeris when restarting gps software. Helge Hafting From helge.hafting at hist.no Tue Mar 3 12:33:44 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:33:44 +0100 Subject: Truncated pythm 0.5.5 package on opkg.org? Message-ID: <49AD1598.2050707@hist.no> pythm 0.5.4 was 80kB pythm 0.5.5 is exactly 64kB, and causes opkg to fail. So it looks like the package file is truncated. :-( Helge Hafting From stefan at openmoko.org Tue Mar 3 12:44:37 2009 From: stefan at openmoko.org (Stefan Schmidt) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:44:37 +0100 Subject: thoughts on A-GPS offline In-Reply-To: <49AD14F4.70300@hist.no> References: <1234833062165-2338403.post@n2.nabble.com> <1234870139620-2340272.post@n2.nabble.com> <84y6w5qohx.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20090301203116.2faeb8a7@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> <49AD14F4.70300@hist.no> Message-ID: <20090303114437.GA18264@excalibur.local> Hello. On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 12:31, Helge Hafting wrote: > Daniel Willmann wrote: > > > Now that hot-/warmstart with ephemeris playback works with the framework > > we should try to get an open server with aiding data available ASAP. > > > I hope that fso-gpsd gets updated soon too Already done: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=commitdiff;h=5271e445b327c2132eee6a1f43fcf58c37c67e00 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=commitdiff;h=0838645958d50df38e64429a27672570bf58f8b4 regards Stefan Schmidt From klemmster at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 12:49:49 2009 From: klemmster at gmail.com (Richy) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:49:49 +0100 Subject: Yaouh 0.5 out In-Reply-To: <49AD0D0F.3090702@napodano.com> References: <49AD0D0F.3090702@napodano.com> Message-ID: <9e7398030903030349x1ceab38u853814ae15dabcff@mail.gmail.com> Hi Carlo, yaouh 5 on shr-unstable gives me: " root at om-gta02 ~ $ yaouh.py Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/yaouh.py", line 268, in yaouh = Yaouh() File "/usr/bin/yaouh.py", line 35, in __init__ self.print_win(self) File "/usr/bin/yaouh.py", line 72, in print_win self.spacebar.set_fraction(float(percent[:-1])/100) ValueError: empty string for float() " Any hint for a fix? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090303/aba39743/attachment.htm From gecco at napodano.com Tue Mar 3 12:58:53 2009 From: gecco at napodano.com (Carlo Minucci) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:58:53 +0100 Subject: Yaouh 0.5 out In-Reply-To: <9e7398030903030349x1ceab38u853814ae15dabcff@mail.gmail.com> References: <49AD0D0F.3090702@napodano.com> <9e7398030903030349x1ceab38u853814ae15dabcff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AD1B7D.307@napodano.com> Richy ha scritto: > Hi Carlo, > > yaouh 5 on shr-unstable gives me: > > " > root at om-gta02 ~ $ yaouh.py > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/bin/yaouh.py", line 268, in > yaouh = Yaouh() > File "/usr/bin/yaouh.py", line 35, in __init__ > self.print_win(self) > File "/usr/bin/yaouh.py", line 72, in print_win > self.spacebar.set_fraction(float(percent[:-1])/100) > ValueError: empty string for float() > " > > Any hint for a fix? mhh now i don't have shr on my phone but try to open a terminal on the phone e launch this command: df / | tr -s ' ' | cut -d \ -f5 -s | tail -n +2 and past me the output. i think the problem is here From triveros at enable.cl Tue Mar 3 12:59:52 2009 From: triveros at enable.cl (Tomas Riveros Schober) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 08:59:52 -0300 Subject: [Qt Extended] Qt Extended discontinued Message-ID: <49AD1BB8.4010608@enable.cl> I dont't know about you guys, but I saw this coming already http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/qt-software-discontinues-qt-extended From stefan at openmoko.org Tue Mar 3 13:07:15 2009 From: stefan at openmoko.org (Stefan Schmidt) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:07:15 +0100 Subject: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning) In-Reply-To: <49AAB37C.4060201@free.fr> References: <499E6FB0.10902@free.fr> <20090220151809.GC30831@excalibur.local> <499EF531.3050609@free.fr> <20090220190004.GG32572@excalibur.local> <20090222224837.GA17713@excalibur.local> <20090223210118.GA7114@excalibur.local> <49AAB37C.4060201@free.fr> Message-ID: <20090303120715.GC18264@excalibur.local> Hello. On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 17:10, Onen wrote: > > Stefan Schmidt wrote: > > For what I have understood, you would prefer a SCM. And now that first > release is out, the first point on my TODO list was exactly that. You > will find a git tree at: > http://myposition.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=myposition;a=tree > > I have two question about this: > * is it good enough as it is for you? SCM or tarballs are both fine with me. Depending on how often you do releases I would then decide If the SCM or the release tarball makes more sense. > * is there anything I could do to ease your work of pushing to OE > (structure, names, ...)? I'll will look into preparing a recipe for it today or tomorrow and will let you know if I run into problems that are better solved on your side. > When this will be "validated" by you, I will tag it 0.1.0. > > In case of, I also updated the download area of SF, with the tar.gz file: > https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=218065&package_id=310952 Cool, I'll start with the tarball and let you know. regards Stefan Schmidt From admin at leinir.dk Tue Mar 3 13:15:45 2009 From: admin at leinir.dk (Dan Jensen) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:15:45 +0100 Subject: [Qt Extended] Qt Extended discontinued In-Reply-To: <49AD1BB8.4010608@enable.cl> References: <49AD1BB8.4010608@enable.cl> Message-ID: <5e2ce1d0903030415lac7d0b3td9ca0380a43ce3be@mail.gmail.com> This is a rather interesting development - it essentially means that the important features that made up Qt Extended becomes LGPL, something lpotter could of course not tell us (as in, he could only tell us that Qt Extended was not going to get LGPLed, but not that the features that make up the thing would become LGPL as part of Qt itself). But yes, it's a natural development :) On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Tomas Riveros Schober wrote: > I dont't know about you guys, but I saw this coming already > http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/qt-software-discontinues-qt-extended > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From atilla.filiz at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 13:21:42 2009 From: atilla.filiz at gmail.com (Atilla Filiz) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:21:42 +0100 Subject: Debug board to borrow Message-ID: <6016f9080903030421r485331dew8795994b074a17a0@mail.gmail.com> My FR has a blank NOR, so I am unable to change my bootloader and have to live with the fear of bricking it. I don't want to pay ?100 for the debug board just because OM sent me a faulty device. So I am asking if someone near Eindhoven(Netherlands) has the debug board and willing to help me flash my NOR. I found someone from the University but somehow we lost contact. My offer is treating a lunch in exchange for helping with his/her debug board to flash my FR. For the rest of people, sorry for bothering you. -- --------------------------------------------------------- Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme -------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090303/c172dce8/attachment.htm From daniel at openmoko.org Tue Mar 3 13:27:01 2009 From: daniel at openmoko.org (Daniel Willmann) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:27:01 +0100 Subject: thoughts on A-GPS offline In-Reply-To: <49AD14F4.70300@hist.no> References: <1234833062165-2338403.post@n2.nabble.com> <1234870139620-2340272.post@n2.nabble.com> <84y6w5qohx.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20090301203116.2faeb8a7@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> <49AD14F4.70300@hist.no> Message-ID: <20090303132701.5ff02a7b@adrastea.totalueberwachung.de> On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:31:00 +0100 Helge Hafting wrote: > Daniel Willmann wrote: > > > Now that hot-/warmstart with ephemeris playback works with the > > framework we should try to get an open server with aiding data > > available ASAP. > > > I hope that fso-gpsd gets updated soon too - it'd sure be nice to > take advantage of a recently saved ephemeris when restarting gps > software. fso-gpsd doesn't need to get updated, it just uses ogpsd which is saving/restoring the ephemeris received from the SVs already. For the improved ogpsd you will need a recent version of frameworkd as Stefan has already pointed out. Regards, Daniel Willmann -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090303/b8c6b32a/attachment.pgp From lida_mail at 163.com Tue Mar 3 13:46:58 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:46:58 +0800 Subject: Yaouh 0.5 out In-Reply-To: <49AD0D0F.3090702@napodano.com> References: <49AD0D0F.3090702@napodano.com> Message-ID: <1236084418.8480.3.camel@daniel-laptop> Hi fellows, Where are the resources of those maps? Well, I mean the data of map? Where does it comes from? I found that map of euro is much more clear, compared to my location. Any ideas? On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 11:57 +0100, Carlo Minucci wrote: > now is more faster (thanks to Helge Hafting) > and i have add a progress bar for see the free space on the disk > > all info at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh! > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From risto at kurppa.fi Tue Mar 3 13:55:37 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:55:37 +0200 Subject: ***SPAM*** ***SPAM*** Re: Yaouh 0.5 out In-Reply-To: <1236084418.8480.3.camel@daniel-laptop> References: <49AD0D0F.3090702@napodano.com> <1236084418.8480.3.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Daniel.Li