IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

Paul Fertser fercerpav at
Mon Mar 9 12:05:41 CET 2009

09-03-2009 10:53:32 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: Hey :) Please don't
consider my questions or messages as a personal offence. Please. It's
just that you're keeping silence on the issues that i consider to be
of great importance... You're the frontman of the Paroli project and
people are asking you personally about UI design guidelines, targets
etc. Imho it's somehow inappropriate to leave all these questions
(excluding my rants) unanswered.

09-03-2009 10:55:47 < Mirko-paroli:

09-03-2009 10:55:53 < Mirko-paroli: answers any questions about UI

09-03-2009 10:55:57 < Mirko-paroli: and "guidelines"

09-03-2009 11:11:22 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: greate writeup on the
ideas behind application design goals and techniques. But nothing
about the actual UI you're going to present your users soon (no ui
design mockups, no ui guidelines, i don't see anything like that). You
saw the complaints on the community ML, don't you understand why those
people are complaining? Moreover, you still don't answer a thing about
"the ui design department". If they're part of the project, ...

09-03-2009 11:11:28 > PaulFert`: ... the community is supposed to know
them, don't you agree?

09-03-2009 11:12:07 < Mirko-paroli:

09-03-2009 11:12:12 < Mirko-paroli: and click your way through the

09-03-2009 11:12:18 < Mirko-paroli: all with "mockups"

09-03-2009 11:17:35 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: Looks like the list
scrolling will be done by swipes... Are you sure it's a good idea for
a resistive touchscreen operated by finger? But you know, the most
controversial thing is the "pseudo-fullscreen" (which is technically
not fullscreen) mode. Integration aside, is the GUI resizable? If yes,
then why not run it under the control of a WM? Why not make it easy

09-03-2009 11:18:14 < Mirko-paroli: send a patch I'll apply it

09-03-2009 11:18:29 < Mirko-paroli: my day only has so many hours

09-03-2009 11:18:35 < Mirko-paroli: and I have to focus on something

09-03-2009 11:18:42 < Mirko-paroli: right now resizing etc is not my

09-03-2009 11:19:44 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: fair enough. Can you
answer the last question about the "design department" please?

09-03-2009 11:20:15 < Mirko-paroli: everyone who is working on paroli
influences the ui and the design

09-03-2009 11:20:25 < Mirko-paroli: so if you or anyone else wants to
have a say

09-03-2009 11:20:36 < Mirko-paroli: do it as in any other OS project

09-03-2009 11:20:38 < Mirko-paroli: join it

09-03-2009 11:20:45 < Mirko-paroli: earn credit and then use it

09-03-2009 11:23:57 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: to me as the community
member it seems like there exist some hidden force that can influence
on UI design in non-obvious non-predictable ways. And you don't seem
to deny it... Either we talk different languages or i can't formulate
questions or you can't answer. :(

09-03-2009 11:24:58 < Mirko-paroli: as I told you last time we talked,
questions end in '?' and imho do not contain subtle accusations 

09-03-2009 11:26:23 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: Does the force that is
hidden to the community and can influence ui design decisions ("the OM
ui design department") exist? (now is that better?)

09-03-2009 11:27:23 < Mirko-paroli: yes as every other company we also
have a ui department, but seen that you know of it it can't be really
hidden, right?

09-03-2009 11:29:50 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: I've never seen any
letter in the public mailing list from them, nor the list of people
(with their names and e-mails) involved. I call it "hidden", i think
that corresponds to the dictionary definition.

09-03-2009 11:31:31 < Mirko-paroli: ok if you wanna call that hidden
my view is blurred in that sense

09-03-2009 11:31:38 < Mirko-paroli: what's your point?

09-03-2009 11:32:36 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: every force that has an
influence on the project must act in a community-transparent way. Is
it the case now?

09-03-2009 11:33:15 < Mirko-paroli: why does every force have to act
in a "community-transparent way"

09-03-2009 11:33:17 < Mirko-paroli: ?

09-03-2009 11:33:36 < Mirko-paroli: I will not get my gf to write
mails whenever she is mad at me and publicize them

09-03-2009 11:33:43 < Mirko-paroli: but it is a force that influences

09-03-2009 11:33:46 < Mirko-paroli: one among many

09-03-2009 11:36:50 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: fair point. But i guess
"the ui design department" doesn't influence you in the same way as
your gf... Well, i think that's enough. I've got the answers to my
questions. Would you mind if i post the script to the community
mailing list? 

09-03-2009 11:40:32 < Mirko-paroli: actually not really as I am not
certain that you won't misrepresent my answers, sorry to have to say

09-03-2009 11:41:21 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: I'd like to send the
transcript unaltered, so every sane person will intepret it the right

09-03-2009 11:41:54 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: i'll refrain from
comments, just the irc session with my and your messages.

09-03-2009 11:42:27 < Mirko-paroli: sounds fair

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