From psonek2 at seznam.cz Fri May 1 00:29:25 2009 From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 00:29:25 +0200 Subject: [Qtei] Which IDE for Development? In-Reply-To: <49F55AF3.3030806@gmail.com> References: <000c01c9c2c9$58e92820$0abb7860$@kossel@web.de> <49EECF54.40904@seznam.cz> <002d01c9c32a$70d85bc0$52891340$@kossel@web.de> <49EEE209.6000804@seznam.cz> <49F09A5D.2020200@husku.net> <49F0AE95.1090405@seznam.cz> <49F205A7.7080008@husku.net> <49F55AF3.3030806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49FA2645.7080502@seznam.cz> Radek Polak wrote: > Mikko Husari wrote: >> Im having some problems and, well, turning for your advice. I created a >> project and got it ported nicely but the window shows up in the top-left >> corner on moko display and, it is not fullscreen... it also lacks the >> theme of qte, so it looks gray. I studied the examples in qte build dir >> and noticed that those use some macros to create the main(), after hours >> of try and error I gave up. >> >> Do you use those macros to create your main, and if not, how do you >> manage to make your app fullscreen and with the correct theme > Hi Mikko, > i havent get to figuring this out it yet. You can use the standard main > e.g. from examples/application and maybe derive the main calls from > QMainWindow. > > If i find some more things i will let you know. > > Radek I have moved the project inside Qtopia source code tree and now after rebuild it has correct theme and is fullscreen. You can check my small project: http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/tree/8e3d4d6bbe6a13f947014bdc45c2c1abe22bbf23/src/3rdparty/applications/qmplayer Radek From david at garabana.com Fri May 1 00:55:11 2009 From: david at garabana.com (David Garabana Barro) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 00:55:11 +0200 Subject: shr-testing- how to switch on gsm? In-Reply-To: <49F46FE7.8010109@cmartins.nl> References: <49F46FE7.8010109@cmartins.nl> Message-ID: <200905010055.14206.david@garabana.com> O Domingo, 26 de Abril de 2009, Fernando Martins escribiu: > I've just flashed shr testing 22nd April and I don't get the usual pin > code request. Also, the icons "Contacts" and "Mofi" on the desktop are > just two blank sheets. > > Under settings, the GSM antena is set off but I can't change it to on. > The "Modem information" does nothing (not yet implemented?). > > So, how can I start GSM, manually and on startup? The same is happening to me, with the SHR testing April,22nd image. It happened also with a 16th April image updated to latest level. I though something broke on the update, and I reflashed with a clean image, but it didn't solved the problems. My experience: -SHR can boot one or two times OK. SHR register to network or gives you the "no sim" message, depending on if you have SIM inserted or not. -But then it starts to fail. I couldn't find any pattern, but it happens normally on the 2nd or 3th boot. It doesn't register, nor gives you the "no sim inserted" message. SHR settings say "no ophonekitd running" when you try to start it -The ONLY way I found to "back to normality" is to boot *ANY OTHER* distribution (I have some more on the SIM card) and then reboot in SHR. Then it starts to work again. It sounds strange, but it works to me. It never happened to me with April 16th image or before. Hope this information helps. -- David Garabana Barro jabber & google talk ID: david at garabana.com Clave p?blica PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090501/9b12f61d/attachment.pgp From mokowatch at projektenterprises.com Fri May 1 01:41:34 2009 From: mokowatch at projektenterprises.com (Shawn Thompson) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:41:34 -0600 Subject: [android] com.android.phone unexpectedly quits In-Reply-To: <49F9FB22.9020101@braydon.com> References: <49F8F324.6040004@braydon.com> <1241054561.6119.90.camel@limx-laptop> <49F9FB22.9020101@braydon.com> Message-ID: <36ab12ab0904301641p6affcc7j2d9e49f8d69409aa@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Braydon Fuller wrote: > limx 5886 wrote: > > how do you install the android? i install it from sd card, didn't meet > > the error > > > I also installed from the SD card. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > I installed from SD card and had this error, delete all APN's or fix one of them to have the correct information and delete the others. It is crashing due to an error in the APN settings most likely, that was the issue I ran into (B6, T-Mobile USA). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090430/73245077/attachment.htm From robin.paulson at gmail.com Fri May 1 01:45:19 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 11:45:19 +1200 Subject: USB port on openmoko In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2f3aa2770904301645j3aa60092yc76fd668a25c6615@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/1 Mark Night : > I am doing a project on openmoko. I need some help regarding the usb > interface of openmoko. > Is USB port available on openmoko a master, slave or OTG port? master or slave, switchable manually through software. not otg. there is a page on the wiki with lots of detail about how to switch it in software, how to get/make cables, providing/drawing power, etc http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB shows some of them there are also a couple of apps at opkg.org for switching host/slave; i'm not sure if they work with the new sysfs paths, though > I need to send the data from openmoko to an embedded device through a usb to > serial converter IC. The small embedded device only has facility for serial > data transfer (USART). So, how can I send some data from openmoko through C > code or any other utility by which the data can be converted to serial > format by that IC and then can be received by the ?embedded device. > Any help will be highly appreciated as the project is related to my course > at university. > Thanks... From tilman at baumann.name Fri May 1 01:53:37 2009 From: tilman at baumann.name (Tilman Baumann) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 00:53:37 +0100 Subject: shr-testing timezones! responding? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04C0CEEB-C6B2-4033-B422-169E705AE160@baumann.name> On 30 Apr 2009, at 15:40, jeremy jozwik wrote: > sorry, that last post did not work right. how do i properly respond to > mail list messages? If your mail client does not know better, reply-to-all. From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Fri May 1 01:57:52 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:57:52 -0700 Subject: shr-testing timezones! responding? In-Reply-To: <04C0CEEB-C6B2-4033-B422-169E705AE160@baumann.name> References: <04C0CEEB-C6B2-4033-B422-169E705AE160@baumann.name> Message-ID: i had my mail list account set to daily digest when i set it up. its all better now On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Tilman Baumann wrote: > > On 30 Apr 2009, at 15:40, jeremy jozwik wrote: > >> sorry, that last post did not work right. how do i properly respond to >> mail list messages? > > If your mail client does not know better, reply-to-all. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Fri May 1 02:41:23 2009 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 03:41:23 +0300 Subject: USB port on openmoko In-Reply-To: (Mark Night's message of "Fri, 1 May 2009 00:43:25 +0530") References: Message-ID: <84fxfpy7rg.fsf@sauna.l.org> Mark Night writes: > I need to send the data from openmoko to an embedded device through a usb to > serial converter IC. The small embedded device only has facility for serial I can connect my usb headset, keyboard, mouse, 3g stick, webcam and mass storage stick to my freerunner and they work just fine. I don't see why a serial converter would not work. From cchandel at yahoo.com Fri May 1 04:44:47 2009 From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:44:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NEW e-tasks Alpha release Updated In-Reply-To: <1241090761363-2746479.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241012057290-2740524.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241055854589-2744591.post@n2.nabble.com> <69a2e4550904300023h3f7f95c1k2f972c1f7175d9a8@mail.gmail.com> <9e7398030904300057x1c50d9b5ufb54611f1edecf1e@mail.gmail.com> <1241081622253-2745902.post@n2.nabble.com> <9e7398030904300158y41872ed8n3d8c24b68b0ba69c@mail.gmail.com> <1241090761363-2746479.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1241145887824-2751437.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, I've made a few bug fixes and changes as follows :- * change task from details page (!) * exclaimation mark indication for old tasks * refresh hover on add / del categories * sort task list on category , date There is a bug where it crashes if you press the add button while you're changing a task. Will sort that out today, hopefully. Thanks to everyone who tested this. I know the top line (where you can edit / change a task) was non-intuitive without a label - but I was trying to save space. Help / Suggestions Needed 1. Haven't yet figured out a way to scroll the entry when it's in a horizontal box. The window goes beyond the screen for long tasks. 2. GUI - needs to be more intuitive. All suggestions / ideas welcome. Even those with tongue-in-cheek! ;-) http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2751437/e-tasks_0.11_arm.ipk e-tasks_0.11_arm.ipk -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/NEW-e-tasks-Alpha-release-%28Updated---Bugfixes%29-tp2740524p2751437.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From robin.paulson at gmail.com Fri May 1 09:32:46 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 19:32:46 +1200 Subject: what happened to shr-testing? Message-ID: <2f3aa2770905010032t2b871c62p468a1971221fbfdb@mail.gmail.com> hi, i went to update my shr installation today, and got error 404 for all the package repos hosted by shr. i had a look at the website, and the shr-testing part of the site has been renamed. so, 'shr-testing' has now become 'shr-testing-bad' see: http://build.shr-project.org/ for more what gives guys, is there some problem somewhere - i assume the name change is for a reason? anything we should know about? the blog's been very quiet for a couple of weeks now cheers From mok at mnet-online.de Fri May 1 11:03:03 2009 From: mok at mnet-online.de (Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 11:03:03 +0200 Subject: what happened to shr-testing? In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770905010032t2b871c62p468a1971221fbfdb@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f3aa2770905010032t2b871c62p468a1971221fbfdb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200905011103.04361.mok@mnet-online.de> Am Freitag 01 Mai 2009 09:32:46 schrieb Robin Paulson: > hi, > i went to update my shr installation today, and got error 404 for all > the package repos hosted by shr. i had a look at the website, and the > shr-testing part of the site has been renamed. so, 'shr-testing' has > now become 'shr-testing-bad' > > see: > > http://build.shr-project.org/ > > for more > > what gives guys, is there some problem somewhere - i assume the name > change is for a reason? anything we should know about? the blog's been > very quiet for a couple of weeks now sorry... I just announced it on shr-user and not here. Something went wrong with the testing build, so I moved it to -bad. To not break mokos out in the wild. see announcement here: http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-user/2009-April/000027.html > > cheers Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann From klemmster at gmail.com Fri May 1 11:13:45 2009 From: klemmster at gmail.com (Richy) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 11:13:45 +0200 Subject: NEW e-tasks Alpha release Updated In-Reply-To: <1241145887824-2751437.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241012057290-2740524.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241055854589-2744591.post@n2.nabble.com> <69a2e4550904300023h3f7f95c1k2f972c1f7175d9a8@mail.gmail.com> <9e7398030904300057x1c50d9b5ufb54611f1edecf1e@mail.gmail.com> <1241081622253-2745902.post@n2.nabble.com> <9e7398030904300158y41872ed8n3d8c24b68b0ba69c@mail.gmail.com> <1241090761363-2746479.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241145887824-2751437.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9e7398030905010213g3f22965dg5d53ab7cf2a3c7fa@mail.gmail.com> Hey c_c, One usability issue: If there are no tasks, it would be nice if you could just change priority, name and date and press save, so it creates a new task, based on these values. at the moment I get "Segmention fault" Other then that its already usable now! Thanks for the work! From oberger at ouvaton.org Fri May 1 11:24:39 2009 From: oberger at ouvaton.org (Olivier Berger) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 11:24:39 +0200 Subject: [Off topic] Samsung platine : strangely similar design Message-ID: <87ljphp44o.fsf@olivierberger.com> Hi. FYI, "un air de d?j? vu" : http://www.thedigitalnewsroom.com/en/News/2105/Samsung_Platine_the_new_innovating_DJ_music_phone.htm My 2 cents, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ From oberger at ouvaton.org Fri May 1 11:26:16 2009 From: oberger at ouvaton.org (Olivier Berger) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 11:26:16 +0200 Subject: Mer on OpenMoko devices ? Message-ID: <87hc05p41z.fsf@olivierberger.com> Hi. Anyone know if http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer (or bits of it) could run on OpenMoko devices ? Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ From robin.paulson at gmail.com Fri May 1 11:29:49 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 21:29:49 +1200 Subject: what happened to shr-testing? In-Reply-To: <200905011103.04361.mok@mnet-online.de> References: <2f3aa2770905010032t2b871c62p468a1971221fbfdb@mail.gmail.com> <200905011103.04361.mok@mnet-online.de> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770905010229r19f23ad2o5389c1b3763c85e3@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/1 Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann : > sorry... I just announced it on shr-user and not here. > > Something went wrong with the testing build, so I moved it to -bad. To not > break mokos out in the wild. > > see announcement here: > http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-user/2009-April/000027.html > there's an shr list? right, i'll get signed up and thanks for stopping us all from borking our phones with broken updates From jldominguez at prodevelop.es Fri May 1 11:49:45 2009 From: jldominguez at prodevelop.es (Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 11:49:45 +0200 Subject: [Off topic] Samsung platine : strangely similar design References: <87ljphp44o.fsf@olivierberger.com> Message-ID: > Hi. > > FYI, "un air de d?j? vu" : > http://www.thedigitalnewsroom.com/en/News/2105/Samsung_Platine_the_new_innovating_DJ_music_phone.htm > > My 2 cents, > -- > Olivier BERGER > (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) > http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ Lol, great! So it wasn't so grotesque after all!! ;-) regards, Juan Lucas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Singh) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 15:52:18 +0530 Subject: buzzfix in India References: <69a2e4550904300838m11779ec9scb5d9db4100815d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87d4atp1gl.fsf@klein.localdomain> rakshat hooja wrote: > As some of the Indian Openmoko Users may be aware we have been working with > Openmoko to provide you with a Buzz Fix solution to the Freerunner. Thanks for doing this. One hardware hacker I asked in BLR was wary of trying to do it ... -- Alok Never use "etc." -- it makes people think there is more where there is not or that there is not space to list it all, etc. From bneijt at gmail.com Fri May 1 12:30:19 2009 From: bneijt at gmail.com (Bram Neijt) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 12:30:19 +0200 Subject: Mer on OpenMoko devices ? In-Reply-To: <87hc05p41z.fsf@olivierberger.com> References: <87hc05p41z.fsf@olivierberger.com> Message-ID: <1241173819.10047.0.camel@owl> Google thinks you should read this: http://goshawknest.wordpress.com/2009/03/28/maemomer-on-freerunner/ Bram On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 11:26 +0200, Olivier Berger wrote: > Hi. > > Anyone know if http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer (or bits of it) could run on > OpenMoko devices ? > > Best regards, From pino.otto at gmail.com Fri May 1 12:52:00 2009 From: pino.otto at gmail.com (Giovanni) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:52:00 +0200 Subject: [OM] Slackware on Free Runner Message-ID: There is an official port of Slackware 12.2 for ARM cpu: http://armedslack.org/ How can we install it on the Free Runner? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Juan Lucas > Google thinks you should read this: > http://goshawknest.wordpress.com/2009/03/28/maemomer-on-freerunner/ > > Bram > > On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 11:26 +0200, Olivier Berger wrote: > > Hi. > > > > Anyone know if http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer (or bits of it) could run on > > OpenMoko devices ? > > > > Best regards, _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090501/1fde211d/attachment.htm From sadov at linux-ink.ru Fri May 1 12:55:55 2009 From: sadov at linux-ink.ru (sadov) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 14:55:55 +0400 Subject: Mer on OpenMoko devices ? In-Reply-To: <1241173819.10047.0.camel@owl> References: <87hc05p41z.fsf@olivierberger.com> <1241173819.10047.0.camel@owl> Message-ID: <1241175355.4831.66.camel@srv> We discussed this point at St-Petersburg Nokia's Maemo conference at this week with a Mer team member, as he said -- they have such plans. --Oleg 01/05/2009 12:30 +0200, Bram Neijt wrote: > Google thinks you should read this: > http://goshawknest.wordpress.com/2009/03/28/maemomer-on-freerunner/ > > Bram > > On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 11:26 +0200, Olivier Berger wrote: > > Hi. > > > > Anyone know if http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer (or bits of it) could run on > > OpenMoko devices ? > > > > Best regards, > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From billk at iinet.net.au Fri May 1 11:05:03 2009 From: billk at iinet.net.au (W.Kenworthy) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 17:05:03 +0800 Subject: Time from the calypso chipset Message-ID: <1241168704.19910.53.camel@bunyip.localdomain> I am playing with the calypso :) Can read the chipset time, but cant seem to set it (from mickyterm). Tried lots of variations, and from what googling finds it *should* work, but doesnt. Is there something I am missing? (using moko11 firmware) OK AT+CCLK? AT+CCLK? +CCLK: "0/1/1,0:0:14" OK AT+CCLK="00/01/01,1:0:15" AT+CCLK="00/01/01,1:0:15" ERROR AT+CCLK="0/1/1,1:0:15" AT+CCLK="0/1/1,1:0:15" ERROR From ilcristopagano at gmail.com Fri May 1 13:10:27 2009 From: ilcristopagano at gmail.com (Biagio Marino) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 13:10:27 +0200 Subject: [Off topic] Samsung platine : strangely similar design In-Reply-To: <87ljphp44o.fsf@olivierberger.com> References: <87ljphp44o.fsf@olivierberger.com> Message-ID: <1241176227.4372.0.camel@biagio-laptop> Wow this is the Neo1973!!! Regards Il giorno ven, 01/05/2009 alle 11.24 +0200, Olivier Berger ha scritto: > Hi. > > FYI, "un air de d?j? vu" : > http://www.thedigitalnewsroom.com/en/News/2105/Samsung_Platine_the_new_innovating_DJ_music_phone.htm > > My 2 cents, -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's probably > due to > an inconsistent db. Will help me fix whatever causes this crash. > ?BTW I'm managing around 3.5GB of songs in 25 folders. :-) Thought there's > always > a situation where something can happen that I've not catered for. > Thanks. yeah, i'm gettign this same behaviour as well. i'm using shr-testing too, and have got elementary, sqlite3 and mplayer installed i tried deleting the .db and running intone again, but the same thing happened From robin.paulson at gmail.com Fri May 1 13:37:55 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 23:37:55 +1200 Subject: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770905010431wb3d19d6qe950591c165e2b3e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <1239071533739-2596701.post@n2.nabble.com> <1240365483670-2673672.post@n2.nabble.com> <26fea52c0904221251ka285390xf0564b023c974c38@mail.gmail.com> <1240534653630-2689065.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905010431wb3d19d6qe950591c165e2b3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770905010437v6742ae19u165c6e905b0ad132@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/1 Robin Paulson : >> ?Could you send me your /home/root/.intone/intone_songs.db? It's probably >> due to >> an inconsistent db. Will help me fix whatever causes this crash. >> ?BTW I'm managing around 3.5GB of songs in 25 folders. :-) Thought there's >> always >> a situation where something can happen that I've not catered for. >> Thanks. > > yeah, i'm gettign this same behaviour as well. i'm using shr-testing > too, and have got elementary, sqlite3 and mplayer installed > > i tried deleting the .db and running intone again, but the same thing happened > never mind, it was happening because my files didn't have an extension. adding .mp3 fixed it is this a bug with intone? From mickey at vanille-media.de Fri May 1 14:30:45 2009 From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 14:30:45 +0200 Subject: Time from the calypso chipset In-Reply-To: <1241168704.19910.53.camel@bunyip.localdomain> References: <1241168704.19910.53.camel@bunyip.localdomain> Message-ID: <200905011430.45298.mickey@vanille-media.de> Hi Bill, > Can read the chipset time, but cant seem to set it (from mickyterm). > Tried lots of variations, and from what googling finds it *should* work, > but doesnt. Is there something I am missing? (using moko11 firmware) > > OK > AT+CCLK? > AT+CCLK? > +CCLK: "0/1/1,0:0:14" > > OK > AT+CCLK="00/01/01,1:0:15" > AT+CCLK="00/01/01,1:0:15" > ERROR > AT+CCLK="0/1/1,1:0:15" > AT+CCLK="0/1/1,1:0:15" > ERROR Welcome to the wonderful world of standards compliance *cough*. Getting the time from the modem has just recently been implemented in frameworkd as per http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=commitdiff;h=633ffc7bb9bbfc25ff4142d9291af00afbbd4fad;hp=1d4a6f96edf56531c891533bb7e704e2c950943b The fun thing is you need to give the UTC offset in the set command, although the Calypso does not honor it and won't report it back. So if you want to do it manually, do it like that: <----------- Mickey's Term V2.9.1 @ /dev/pts/3 -----------> AT-Command Interpreter ready OK at+cclk? +CCLK: "0/1/1,0:0:9" OK at+cclk="09/04/01,14:30:00+00" OK at+cclk? +CCLK: "9/4/1,14:30:3" OK Cheers, :M: From mickey at vanille-media.de Fri May 1 14:35:59 2009 From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 14:35:59 +0200 Subject: Mer on OpenMoko devices ? In-Reply-To: <87hc05p41z.fsf@olivierberger.com> References: <87hc05p41z.fsf@olivierberger.com> Message-ID: <200905011435.59960.mickey@vanille-media.de> No problem technically, although there's a lot of integration to do in order to tailor Maemo (which is really tightly coupled to the n8x0's form factor and I/O capabilities) to the FreeRunner. It would rock though if someone would write some FSO-based clients for it, that way the hardware could be supported pretty fast. :M: From mickey at vanille-media.de Fri May 1 14:36:58 2009 From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 14:36:58 +0200 Subject: Detecting headset button press In-Reply-To: References: <33854.10.224.0.6.1240955482.squirrel@ssl.netureza.com> Message-ID: <200905011436.59074.mickey@vanille-media.de> The headset button only gets sent when a certain alsa control is on, Werner can fill you up on the details. After that, it should be possible to do a simple fso rule for it. :M: From mickey at vanille-media.de Fri May 1 14:38:36 2009 From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 14:38:36 +0200 Subject: [OM] Slackware on Free Runner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905011438.36837.mickey@vanille-media.de> On Friday 01 May 2009 12:52:00 Giovanni wrote: > There is an official port of Slackware 12.2 for ARM cpu: > > http://armedslack.org/ > > How can we install it on the Free Runner? If they provide jffs2 images, install them as usual. If they provide tarballs, unpack them on the SD and boot from there. Note that you will need the openmoko kernel and will have to work some months on device integration though. :M: From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Fri May 1 15:12:12 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 08:12:12 -0500 Subject: Mer on OpenMoko devices ? In-Reply-To: <200905011435.59960.mickey@vanille-media.de> References: <87hc05p41z.fsf@olivierberger.com> <200905011435.59960.mickey@vanille-media.de> Message-ID: Ooh, just glanced across the screenshots, and I want it. Now. Someone go make it work. ;) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090501/327cc060/attachment.htm From billk at iinet.net.au Fri May 1 15:43:52 2009 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 21:43:52 +0800 Subject: Time from the calypso chipset In-Reply-To: <200905011430.45298.mickey@vanille-media.de> References: <1241168704.19910.53.camel@bunyip.localdomain> <200905011430.45298.mickey@vanille-media.de> Message-ID: <1241185432.6572.2.camel@rattus> Thanks, Mickey. Thats the wonderful thing about standards - if you dont like it ... make one up :) BillK On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 14:30 +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > Hi Bill, > ... > Welcome to the wonderful world of standards compliance *cough*. Getting the > time from the modem has just recently been implemented in frameworkd as per > http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=commitdiff;h=633ffc7bb9bbfc25ff4142d9291af00afbbd4fad;hp=1d4a6f96edf56531c891533bb7e704e2c950943b > > T... From cchandel at yahoo.com Fri May 1 16:37:40 2009 From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 07:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770905010437v6742ae19u165c6e905b0ad132@mail.gmail.com> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <1239071533739-2596701.post@n2.nabble.com> <1240365483670-2673672.post@n2.nabble.com> <26fea52c0904221251ka285390xf0564b023c974c38@mail.gmail.com> <1240534653630-2689065.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905010431wb3d19d6qe950591c165e2b3e@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905010437v6742ae19u165c6e905b0ad132@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241188660584-2753590.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Robin Paulson wrote: > >> happening because my files didn't have an >> extension. adding .mp3 fixed it >> is this a bug with intone? > Ah ! Talk about missing the obvious. Yup - probably. Intone expects an extension. Didn't want to play with magic to get the file type - and here we are. OK, this should hopefully help me stopping the crash. I'm still wondering whether I should get into the magic part - could really slow down the scan. What do you (anyone) think? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-%280.30---beta-release%29-Elementary-based-mplayer-frontend-tp2587826p2753590.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From courier at braydon.com Fri May 1 18:13:33 2009 From: courier at braydon.com (Braydon Fuller) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 09:13:33 -0700 Subject: R: Re: [android] koolu beta 6? In-Reply-To: <11357957.257621240178599841.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <11357957.257621240178599841.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: <49FB1FAD.9040401@braydon.com> narkos at iol.it wrote: > (...) > WIFI got connected (but I > had to install qad-keybord to set the passwd) but browser is unable to load any > pages. How did you install qad-keyboard, I am having the same problem. > I manually set the dns (with open dns) but it doesn't work; using th > enumeric ip address it works! > Where can you set this? I have changed my wirless to an open network just to get automatically connected without a password, and although I was connected to my wifi, none of the applications seemed to be able to connect to the internet. Braydon > That's all for now > > michele > From jeffrey.ratcliffe at gmail.com Fri May 1 18:40:30 2009 From: jeffrey.ratcliffe at gmail.com (Jeffrey Ratcliffe) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 18:40:30 +0200 Subject: [debian] new navit In-Reply-To: References: <200904281750.45682.tanuva@gmail.com> <30e395780904281152n7d78e798q7e81e25651dee76d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <30e395780905010940n305dba04y549e065ef1fd1871@mail.gmail.com> 2009/4/30 arne anka : > there's a new deb up that depends on libgps18 now. Thanks! Now it works. From ant007h at gmail.com Fri May 1 20:21:42 2009 From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 11:21:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released Message-ID: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all! Mokomaze 0.5.0 (ball-in-the-labyrinth game) with completely new physics and graphics engines is released! As I said before, there are a lot of changes since previous version: * a good-looking skin * use ODE (Open Dynamics Engine) instead of my own physics engine * rolling ball animation * falling ball animation * gravity calibration feature * GUI improvements * added exit button I've also added _2_new_levels_. The ball became 3D and physics now calculates angular velocities, so the game consumes more CPU time than before, but framerate stays more than decent, so no lagging. Please take into account that one more dependency was added. Now the game requires libode, which is already in Debian, but not in Openmoko repositories. So, I've provided an .ipk compiled by myself. Other than that, the structure of source code and building system is unchanged. Complete instructions for * installation * avoiding auto-suspend and display dimming * accelerometer calibration are available at the project's homepage [1]. Information on opkg.org was also renewed [2]. The demonstration video (from announce letter) is available on youtube [3]. The debian package is untested, so let me know if it works or not. [1] http://mokomaze.projects.openmoko.org/ [2] http://www.opkg.org/package_121.html [3] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVRRXx2kEu8 Have a fun! Anton -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2754592.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Fri May 1 20:25:37 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 11:25:37 -0700 Subject: [Off topic] Samsung platine : strangely similar design In-Reply-To: <1241176227.4372.0.camel@biagio-laptop> References: <87ljphp44o.fsf@olivierberger.com> <1241176227.4372.0.camel@biagio-laptop> Message-ID: well i have to say it is a very comfortable design. so im not surprised! 2009/5/1 Biagio Marino : > Wow this is the Neo1973!!! > Regards > > Il giorno ven, 01/05/2009 alle 11.24 +0200, Olivier Berger ha scritto: >> Hi. >> >> FYI, "un air de d?j? vu" : >> http://www.thedigitalnewsroom.com/en/News/2105/Samsung_Platine_the_new_innovating_DJ_music_phone.htm >> >> My 2 cents, > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > From nicola.mfb at gmail.com Fri May 1 20:30:23 2009 From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 20:30:23 +0200 Subject: Asterisk on Freerunner Message-ID: <359c5480905011130k6e5e14c5gb1f24542c647031f@mail.gmail.com> 2009/4/29 Al Johnson : > On Wednesday 29 April 2009, Nicola Mfb wrote: >> [...] > Scenario switching ought to be transparent to apps, but that might not be true > if there's a change in the 'DAI mode' setting. There's more on this in the > wiki: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem > I don't have the state files too hand to see if this is being changed, but > it's the only setting I can think of that might upset an app. I restored the "take and hold voip state" behaviour in my dialer, and all worked perfectly but I got a weird issue, while a call is up launching alsamixer, playing with the "Speaker" control and quitting, stops audio capturing after few seconds. I tryied the new version of asterisk (1.4.24.1) too hoping some alsa code was fixed, but I got stuttered audio again and when the call is answered asterisk get a "resource temporary unavailable" error on the alsa channel and continues to ring, so I cannot hear the other peer, I need more time to investigate and go deeper in asterisk to understand channels setup, switch and so on, the next step will be to backport alsa code in 1.4.21 to 1.4.17 in little steps to know where it brokes. > Can you reload chan_alsa after the state change? I don't remember how granular > the asterisk reload options are, but it might be a quick'n'dirty workaround. I'll investigate on this asap. I tested all that with WiFi and it works nice, but cannot go far from my AP for more than 7/10 meters, the delay over the voip/dsl router is very acceptable, and playing with voice/speaker capture volume reduces the echo in a manner that conversation is quite comfortable. A dirty coded dialer prototype is quite ready, some screenshots at: https://apps.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/noko/index.php?title=Image:Nokoami1.png https://apps.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/noko/index.php?title=Image:Nokoami2.png https://apps.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/noko/index.php?title=Image:Nokoami3.png I added request WiFi resource, occupy cpu resource, swtich to voip scenario, and asterisk daemon starting directly in the dialer, so actually I have an one-click ready voip phone, but there is a *lot* of works to do and few time, so help is appreciated! Regards Nicola From rms at 1407.org Fri May 1 21:09:43 2009 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 20:09:43 +0100 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 11:21:42AM -0700, ANT wrote: > > Hi all! > > Mokomaze 0.5.0 (ball-in-the-labyrinth game) with completely new physics and > graphics engines is released! As I said before, there are a lot of changes > since previous version: > * a good-looking skin > * use ODE (Open Dynamics Engine) instead of my own physics engine > * rolling ball animation > * falling ball animation > * gravity calibration feature > * GUI improvements > * added exit button > I've also added _2_new_levels_. > > The ball became 3D and physics now calculates angular velocities, so the > game consumes more CPU time than before, but framerate stays more than > decent, so no lagging. > > Please take into account that one more dependency was added. Now the game > requires libode, which is already in Debian, but not in Openmoko > repositories. So, I've provided an .ipk compiled by myself. > Other than that, the structure of source code and building system is > unchanged. > > Complete instructions for > * installation > * avoiding auto-suspend and display dimming > * accelerometer calibration > are available at the project's homepage [1]. > Information on opkg.org was also renewed [2]. > The demonstration video (from announce letter) is available on youtube [3]. > > The debian package is untested, so let me know if it works or not. > > [1] http://mokomaze.projects.openmoko.org/ > [2] http://www.opkg.org/package_121.html > [3] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVRRXx2kEu8 > > Have a fun! Damn, seems fun and would love to but breaks out on Om2008.12 (and I have libmokoui and libode) root at om-gta02:~# mokomaze File_loader: savegame file not found File_loader: 14 game levels parsed Segmentation fault Rui -- Or is it? Today is Sweetmorn, the 48th day of Discord in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Fri May 1 21:23:40 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 14:23:40 -0500 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> Message-ID: I just read the instructions on recalibrating gravity (thanks, I needed that feature!!) and it seems to be saying you can run it without any gravity calibration... How does that work? Does it recalibrate every time the game starts, only for that session of the game? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090501/75a5b6b1/attachment.htm From ant007h at gmail.com Fri May 1 21:42:40 2009 From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> Message-ID: <1241206960525-2755321.post@n2.nabble.com> The Digital Pioneer wrote: >I just read the instructions on recalibrating gravity (thanks, I needed that >feature!!) and it seems to be saying you can run it without any gravity >calibration... How does that work? Does it recalibrate every time the game >starts, only for that session of the game? Calibration data stores in user's save-file (~/.mokomaze/user.json). Calibration performs only when the game was launched with '-c auto' parameter. So you may perform calibration only once (after installation) and then launch the game from desktop as usual (it does not recalibrates at every start). Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >Damn, seems fun and would love to but breaks out on Om2008.12 (and I have >libmokoui and libode) I'll investigate... -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2755321.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Fri May 1 21:55:39 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 14:55:39 -0500 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <1241206960525-2755321.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> <1241206960525-2755321.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: ...And as to non-blanking, SHR-unstable is an FSO distro, is it not? But your fsoraw program doesn't work. Do I *have* to take the slow startup approach? :( -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090501/b735ba13/attachment.htm From nytowl at openmoko.org Fri May 1 22:11:32 2009 From: nytowl at openmoko.org (Angus Ainslie) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 14:11:32 -0600 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 Message-ID: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> Hi, After flurry of activity in enlightenment, paroli and oepnmebedded we have a new testing release. There were some problems with the gta01 images so tarballs only are released at this point. Please read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 for more details. Features Paroli settings screen - change illume profile ( paroli fulsscreen or illume ) - GPRS settings APN settings enable or disable GPRS - profile settings menu ringtone volume vibration on incoming call message volume vibration on incoming message and others - this needs to be enabled from /etc/paroli/paroli.cfg as some features are still a little experimental Tons of new feature's in the FSO framework - Automatic timezones for mutlizone countries - lots under the hood check here to see all of them http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=summary Bugs fixed Power button does not shutdown device otimed sets timezone incorrectly in large countries FSO 389 Power status events ignored FSO 381 feeds are incorrectly set to unstable Angus From ant007h at gmail.com Fri May 1 22:15:35 2009 From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 13:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> <1241206960525-2755321.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1241208935574-2755615.post@n2.nabble.com> >>...And as to non-blanking, SHR-unstable is an FSO distro, is it not? SHR is based on FSO >>But your fsoraw program doesn't work. It is not mine. The author is Nicola Mfb. As for me, I am using this very usefull tool and I've considered it is necessary to recommend it to others. Anyway, what happens after executing of $ fsoraw -r CPU,Display mokomaze ? Hey, is the *game* works? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2755615.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From monto84 at gmail.com Fri May 1 22:19:39 2009 From: monto84 at gmail.com (Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 22:19:39 +0200 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1241209179.8412.1.camel@localhost> Il giorno ven, 01/05/2009 alle 11.21 -0700, ANT ha scritto: > Hi all! > > Mokomaze 0.5.0 (ball-in-the-labyrinth game) with completely new physics and [snip] > > Have a fun! > > Anton It simply works great and it's lovely!! Good job guys!! Pietro (shr-unstable updated yesterday) From risto at kurppa.fi Fri May 1 22:20:15 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 23:20:15 +0300 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> <1241206960525-2755321.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Works great on 2008.12 + Kustomizer 0.41 but there's no icon atm. The new physics stuff is GREAT, it just looks good. Could you still try to make the balls fall further when hitting the hole.Now it looks like a can where the ball goes, not a infinitely deep hole. But I really like the new version, way to go! r On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:55 PM, The Digital Pioneer wrote: > ...And as to non-blanking, SHR-unstable is an FSO distro, is it not? But > your fsoraw program doesn't work. Do I *have* to take the slow startup > approach? :( > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From prishelec at gmail.com Fri May 1 22:43:45 2009 From: prishelec at gmail.com (Leonti Bielski) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 22:43:45 +0200 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <1241209179.8412.1.camel@localhost> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241209179.8412.1.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <815cb1720905011343n2c846f25m222f1de4f2f65b36@mail.gmail.com> SHR-Unstable - just updated: File_loader: savegame file not found File_loader: 14 game levels parsed Segmentation fault I'd love to play this game :( Leonti -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090501/bab024c0/attachment.htm From Chaosspawn23 at gmx.net Fri May 1 23:06:12 2009 From: Chaosspawn23 at gmx.net (Konstantin) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 23:06:12 +0200 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <49FB6444.2040909@gmx.net> ANT wrote: > Hi all! > > Mokomaze 0.5.0 (ball-in-the-labyrinth game) with completely new physics and > graphics engines is released! As I said before, there are a lot of changes > since previous version: Incredible! It's beautiful, challenging and somewhat addictive - this is definitely a killer app for Openmoko-based devices :D Regards, Konstantin From fernando at cmartins.nl Fri May 1 23:11:24 2009 From: fernando at cmartins.nl (Fernando Martins) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 23:11:24 +0200 Subject: shr-testing- how to switch on gsm? In-Reply-To: <200905010055.14206.david@garabana.com> References: <49F46FE7.8010109@cmartins.nl> <200905010055.14206.david@garabana.com> Message-ID: <49FB657C.80904@cmartins.nl> David Garabana Barro wrote: > The same is happening to me, with the SHR testing April,22nd image. It > happened also with a 16th April image updated to latest level. I though > something broke on the update, and I reflashed with a clean image, but it > didn't solved the problems. > > On my case, it failed only the two first boots after flashing. From then on, it has been working well. In my case, I switch off the phone in the evening and on in the morning. > -The ONLY way I found to "back to normality" is to boot *ANY OTHER* > distribution (I have some more on the SIM card) and then reboot in SHR. > Then it starts to work again. > It sounds strange, but it works to me. > This suggests some hardware initialization bug (from FSO/SHR). Regards, Fernando From fernando at cmartins.nl Fri May 1 23:21:35 2009 From: fernando at cmartins.nl (Fernando Martins) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 23:21:35 +0200 Subject: shr-testing- how to switch on gsm? In-Reply-To: <49F9FA29.1060008@thespazcat.com> References: <49F46FE7.8010109@cmartins.nl> <49F4B42C.3010009@gmail.com> <49F663CB.9040101@thespazcat.com> <49F73FA5.90401@cmartins.nl> <49F9FA29.1060008@thespazcat.com> Message-ID: <49FB67DF.5010205@cmartins.nl> Laura Vance wrote: > I'm using SHR-testing from April 23rd. In the Settings app, go to the > Phone section, and there is a GSM on/off slider at the top. > > Ah!! It's a slider! I couldn't understand what I was looking at. I was looking for a simple check box or sticky button! > Then recently I started thinking a little more about the problem, and I > can always get "SOS Only" mode, so I started thinking maybe it's that > the SIM isn't registering before the GSM daemon times out. I never > tried to restart the GSM antenna before this version of SHR, so I don't > know if previous versions have the same slider. > It might be interesting to see if you get the same results as David Garabano Barro, i.e., booting from other distribution and then rebooting in SHR. Regards, Fernando From ant007h at gmail.com Fri May 1 23:42:27 2009 From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 14:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> Message-ID: <1241214147980-2756380.post@n2.nabble.com> >>root at om-gta02:~# mokomaze >>File_loader: savegame file not found >>File_loader: 14 game levels parsed >>Segmentation fault I've found out the problem. Install libpng3: $ opkg install libpng3 Now the game must runs normally. I've just updated installation instructions on opkg.org and homepage. P.S. I was sure that libsdl-image depends from libpng... -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2756380.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From prishelec at gmail.com Sat May 2 00:11:14 2009 From: prishelec at gmail.com (Leonti Bielski) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 00:11:14 +0200 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <1241214147980-2756380.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> <1241214147980-2756380.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <815cb1720905011511r4b10bcfaua31435632a7e9c70@mail.gmail.com> It works perfectly now! Man, this game is great! It has it all - graphics, feel (meaning vibration), physics. The only problem right now is that I look kinda stupid leaning from side to side, back and forth playing with my phone :D Thanks a lot! Leonti On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 11:42 PM, ANT wrote: > > >>root at om-gta02:~# mokomaze > >>File_loader: savegame file not found > >>File_loader: 14 game levels parsed > >>Segmentation fault > > I've found out the problem. > Install libpng3: > $ opkg install libpng3 > Now the game must runs normally. > > I've just updated installation instructions on opkg.org and homepage. > > P.S. I was sure that libsdl-image depends from libpng... > -- > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2756380.html > Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090502/1d1f1b6c/attachment.htm From monto84 at gmail.com Sat May 2 01:04:30 2009 From: monto84 at gmail.com (Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 01:04:30 +0200 Subject: little today app for shr Message-ID: <1241219070.13954.18.camel@localhost> Hi, bored loosing some calls and always need to periodically check pyphenlog i wrote a really simple apps that warn me if one or more call are lost. Here is the link to opkg, any suggestion is welcome. http://www.opkg.org/package_213.html Clicking on "1 missed call" it opens pyhoneloh and clicking on "1 unread message" it opens opemoko-messages3, editing the script is simple so you can modify that apps. The app is "insvisible", just sit there and wait for missed calls or incoming messages. The way it's autostarted is tricky, sleep 180 and then run it, just to be shure that illume and frameworkd are running. Bye! Pietro From list-openmoko at omoco.de Sat May 2 01:45:48 2009 From: list-openmoko at omoco.de (Sebastian Hammerl) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 01:45:48 +0200 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> Message-ID: <49FB89AC.2040701@omoco.de> Hi, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra schrieb: > On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 11:21:42AM -0700, ANT wrote: > >> Hi all! >> >> Mokomaze 0.5.0 (ball-in-the-labyrinth game) with completely new physics and >> graphics engines is released! As I said before, there are a lot of changes >> since previous version: >> * a good-looking skin >> * use ODE (Open Dynamics Engine) instead of my own physics engine >> * rolling ball animation >> * falling ball animation >> * gravity calibration feature >> * GUI improvements >> * added exit button >> I've also added _2_new_levels_. >> >> The ball became 3D and physics now calculates angular velocities, so the >> game consumes more CPU time than before, but framerate stays more than >> decent, so no lagging. >> >> Please take into account that one more dependency was added. Now the game >> requires libode, which is already in Debian, but not in Openmoko >> repositories. So, I've provided an .ipk compiled by myself. >> Other than that, the structure of source code and building system is >> unchanged. >> >> Complete instructions for >> * installation >> * avoiding auto-suspend and display dimming >> * accelerometer calibration >> are available at the project's homepage [1]. >> Information on opkg.org was also renewed [2]. >> The demonstration video (from announce letter) is available on youtube [3]. >> >> The debian package is untested, so let me know if it works or not. >> >> [1] http://mokomaze.projects.openmoko.org/ >> [2] http://www.opkg.org/package_121.html >> [3] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVRRXx2kEu8 >> >> Have a fun! >> > > Damn, seems fun and would love to but breaks out on Om2008.12 (and I have > libmokoui and libode) > > root at om-gta02:~# mokomaze > File_loader: savegame file not found > File_loader: 14 game levels parsed > Segmentation fault > > you have to install libpng3. that works for me. I took it from shr unstalbe because the repo for testint is down at the moment. Sebastian > Rui > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090502/89e109e7/attachment.htm From joerg at openmoko.org Sat May 2 03:30:10 2009 From: joerg at openmoko.org (Joerg Reisenweber) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 03:30:10 +0200 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Forcing fast-charge In-Reply-To: References: <1240063519.4045.2.camel@toaster-desktop> <200904281536.27028.joerg@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <200905020330.17602.joerg@openmoko.org> Am Mi 29. April 2009 schrieb C?dric Berger: > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 15:36, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > > > > > That's nonsense as there is no dumb charger out there not being capable of > > supplying 500mA. OTOH any management of maximum ingress current to USB by > > whatever means will inevitably fail when unplugging the charger device > > connected to FR during powerdown and replace it with a (nonexistent) weaker > > one. > > And what if the "charger" is a small usb host device... like a Freerunner ? Then uBoot should do standard USB enum. Which is negotiating current host is able to deliver. > Or a solar panel ? How could setting BAT_CURLIM to USB_CURLIM help? > Or you have 2 phone charging from the same usb port ? or I'm using the usb extension in my usb-coffemug-warmer? Or create a shortcircuit? It's not a valid usecase and I don't see how to accomplish that. > I usually charge from a car charger and when I want to charge faster than > 500mA from usb (so ~300mA to battery with phone on), I have to push usb > limit to 1A. No you have to push USB_CURLIM to >500mA, if you want >500mA. > But as it is too much for my poor charger, I also limit battery charge > current (ex 500mA). How could setting BAT_CURLIM to USB_CURLIM help? > This way I have about 700-750mA pulled from my charger (though it can peak > to 1A as needed). What's the rationale behind that? If you set USB_CURLIM to 750mA you get exactly the same behaviour without the useless "when needed" part. How could setting BAT_CURLIM to USB_CURLIM help? > > Note than doing this (I used a little GUI with 1 set button for each value), > I must set usb current limit, then only I set charge current limit. And in > the meanwhile, since charge limit=usb limit=1A, it starts pulling about 1A > and I cannot avoid that. Sorry I don't understand this statement. /j -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090502/4ef41112/attachment.pgp From joerg at openmoko.org Sat May 2 03:54:55 2009 From: joerg at openmoko.org (Joerg Reisenweber) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 03:54:55 +0200 Subject: The real gsmhandset.state [was: Re: Buzz fix difficulty [was Re: US Buzz/GPS Fix]] In-Reply-To: <20090429055531.GA2607@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <5c6ceea80904221536p34aab20fh702452c765a0174@mail.gmail.com> <200904281613.23480.joerg@openmoko.org> <20090429055531.GA2607@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <200905020354.56440.joerg@openmoko.org> Am Mi 29. April 2009 schrieb Matthias Apitz: > El d?a Tuesday, April 28, 2009 a las 04:13:22PM +0200, Joerg Reisenweber escribi?: > > > The one and only *real* gsmhandset.state (for all FR!): > > http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state > > > > :-) > > I've tried this yesterday and for me it gives a strong, no tolerable, > local echo, even acoustic feedback between micro y speaker; > > sorry for not giving positiv feedback :-( Echo can't be controlled by adjusting mixer settings. It needs AT%Nxxxx correct modem init. /j -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090502/91f46209/attachment.pgp From nicola.mfb at gmail.com Sat May 2 03:58:09 2009 From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 03:58:09 +0200 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <1241208935574-2755615.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> <1241206960525-2755321.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241208935574-2755615.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <359c5480905011858g60f071f4u3fbeab71f54680f2@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/1 ANT : > >>>...And as to non-blanking, SHR-unstable is an FSO distro, is it not? > SHR is based on FSO > >>>But your fsoraw program doesn't work. > It is not mine. The author is Nicola Mfb. > As for me, I am using this very usefull tool and I've considered it is > necessary to recommend it to others. Thanks to have it mentioned in a so amazing game! Nicola From nicola.mfb at gmail.com Sat May 2 04:00:22 2009 From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 04:00:22 +0200 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> <1241206960525-2755321.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241208935574-2755615.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <359c5480905011900l61915297gddc782028603f7d1@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/1 The Digital Pioneer : >> Anyway, what happens after executing of >> $ fsoraw -r CPU,Display mokomaze >> ? > > It runs the game, but the screen still blanks. [...] It's strange, I just reflashed shr-testing (22 apr) and shr-unstable (28 apr) and it worked, you may check the output of "logread | grep fsoraw" and logs of frameworkd. Nicola From courier at braydon.com Sat May 2 04:01:54 2009 From: courier at braydon.com (Braydon Fuller) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 19:01:54 -0700 Subject: Design Idea for OM2009 / Paroli ? Message-ID: <49FBA992.2020508@braydon.com> I was chatting with a friend about mobile devices and we were joking that many of the top applications for the iPhone where games (http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/apple-unveils-top-20-free-paid-iphone-apps-ifart-mobile-only/). So I wondered, isn't there anything better to do with accelerometers, etc? And after watching some videos on what gestures can be recognized (http://tinyvid.tv/show/2j0ki5xzfob6i), it would be really great to use gestures as the basis of navigating the device, as far as I know no distributions do this: http://braydon.com/tests/design/accelnav.pdf http://braydon.com/tests/design/accelnav.svg http://braydon.com/tests/design/accelnav.png From joerg at openmoko.org Sat May 2 04:03:47 2009 From: joerg at openmoko.org (Joerg Reisenweber) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 04:03:47 +0200 Subject: The real gsmhandset.state [was: Re: Buzz fix difficulty [was Re: US Buzz/GPS Fix]] In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80904290106r703fc09ak154b91eceb09353a@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c6ceea80904221536p34aab20fh702452c765a0174@mail.gmail.com> <20090429072531.GA1775@rebelion.Sisis.de> <5c6ceea80904290106r703fc09ak154b91eceb09353a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200905020403.48750.joerg@openmoko.org> Am Mi 29. April 2009 schrieb David Reyes Samblas Martinez: > The buzz fix also lowers the sensibility of the microphone avoiding > the echo issue if the speaker volume is raised, > I guess that is the problem and that why I only recomend this alsa > state to A7 or Buzzfixed A6-A5 No it should work for non-fixed GTA02 as well as for fixed ones. See http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2121#comment:2. Though your remark regarding sensitivity is correct, anyway the conclusion isn't /j -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090502/43f0f0cb/attachment.pgp From nicola.mfb at gmail.com Sat May 2 04:11:52 2009 From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 04:11:52 +0200 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <359c5480905011900l61915297gddc782028603f7d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> <1241206960525-2755321.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241208935574-2755615.post@n2.nabble.com> <359c5480905011900l61915297gddc782028603f7d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <359c5480905011911q12dd59a7pae21c0d07c877da8@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/2 Nicola Mfb : > 2009/5/1 The Digital Pioneer : >>> Anyway, what happens after executing of >>> $ fsoraw -r CPU,Display mokomaze >>> ? >> >> It runs the game, but the screen still blanks. > [...] > > It's strange, I just reflashed shr-testing (22 apr) and shr-unstable > (28 apr) and it worked, you may check the output of "logread | grep > fsoraw" and logs of frameworkd. I forgot to say that on shr-unstable mokomaze E displays two icons, I had to remove extra categories in the .desktop file. Regards Nicola From robin.paulson at gmail.com Sat May 2 04:22:29 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 14:22:29 +1200 Subject: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <1241188660584-2753590.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <1239071533739-2596701.post@n2.nabble.com> <1240365483670-2673672.post@n2.nabble.com> <26fea52c0904221251ka285390xf0564b023c974c38@mail.gmail.com> <1240534653630-2689065.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905010431wb3d19d6qe950591c165e2b3e@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905010437v6742ae19u165c6e905b0ad132@mail.gmail.com> <1241188660584-2753590.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770905011922t67b076bcx950083d5159fe2c8@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/2 c_c : >>> happening because my files didn't have an >>> extension. adding .mp3 fixed it >>> is this a bug with intone? >> > Ah ! Talk about missing the obvious. Yup - probably. Intone expects an > extension. Didn't want to play with magic to get the file type - and here we > are. > ?OK, this should hopefully help me stopping the crash. I'm still wondering > whether I should get into the magic part - could really slow down the scan. > ?What do you (anyone) think? tough question to answer - it means weighing thre balance between how likely people are to having files with no extension, the time it adds to do scanning, whether people could figure out what i figured out, and how likely people would be to change the filenames. i found the same thing happened with amarok - it expects an extension as well on the other hand, you could just let people add *anything* to the library, regardless of whether it's music, image, executable, or whatever else they're likely to do, and then let mplayer sort out what happens when you try to play a non-audio track - i'm guessing mplayer can work out without being told, what type of file it is? From joerg at openmoko.org Sat May 2 04:30:17 2009 From: joerg at openmoko.org (Joerg Reisenweber) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 04:30:17 +0200 Subject: News Openmoko Shop Pulster In-Reply-To: <68da43e00904240800s3b412524ga7efdecd13a2df2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <49F1AE75.2050501@hist.no> <68da43e00904240800s3b412524ga7efdecd13a2df2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200905020430.18458.joerg@openmoko.org> Am Fr 24. April 2009 schrieb Timo Jyrinki: > 2009/4/24 Helge Hafting : > > The batteries ran out very quickly. > > Sounds somewhat familiar. > > > The third set of batteries didn't work well for me. conduction seems > > rather bad, perhaps this is fixable by installing some actual wires > > instead of relying on the casing. > > Maybe we could get a bigP pen fix rework SOP? Take care the buttons aren't pressed when carrying the pen in pocket. Otherwise it seemed to me at least 10min laser without getting dim are possible. Maybe longer. 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In-Reply-To: <49FBA992.2020508@braydon.com> References: <49FBA992.2020508@braydon.com> Message-ID: or someone could build something like this: http://web.me.com/hschlangmann/LapTimer_Homepage/Snapshots/Snapshots.html hint, hint On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Braydon Fuller wrote: > I was chatting with a friend about mobile devices and we were joking > that many of the top applications for the iPhone where games > (http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/apple-unveils-top-20-free-paid-iphone-apps-ifart-mobile-only/). > So I wondered, isn't there anything better to do with accelerometers, > etc? And after watching some videos on what gestures can be recognized > (http://tinyvid.tv/show/2j0ki5xzfob6i), it would be really great to use > gestures as the basis of navigating the device, as far as I know no > distributions do this: > > http://braydon.com/tests/design/accelnav.pdf > http://braydon.com/tests/design/accelnav.svg > http://braydon.com/tests/design/accelnav.png > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Sat May 2 06:26:22 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 23:26:22 -0500 Subject: little today app for shr In-Reply-To: <1241219070.13954.18.camel@localhost> References: <1241219070.13954.18.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Oh, hallelujah, I've been needing one of these forever! 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URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090501/b4ce510d/attachment.htm From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Sat May 2 06:39:18 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 23:39:18 -0500 Subject: little today app for shr In-Reply-To: References: <1241219070.13954.18.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Quick bug report: if I hit the release button while the phone is ringing, so as to reject the call without answering it, then notifier still pops up saying I missed one. That's not technically true. :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090501/37c205c1/attachment.htm From courier at braydon.com Sat May 2 06:52:02 2009 From: courier at braydon.com (Braydon Fuller) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 21:52:02 -0700 Subject: Design Idea for OM2009 / Paroli ? In-Reply-To: References: <49FBA992.2020508@braydon.com> Message-ID: <49FBD172.70800@braydon.com> jeremy jozwik wrote: > or someone could build something like this: > http://web.me.com/hschlangmann/LapTimer_Homepage/Snapshots/Snapshots.html > Haha, there we go. Actually the same thing for riding a bike could be interesting... > hint, hint > > On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Braydon Fuller wrote: > >> I was chatting with a friend about mobile devices and we were joking >> that many of the top applications for the iPhone where games >> (http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/apple-unveils-top-20-free-paid-iphone-apps-ifart-mobile-only/). >> So I wondered, isn't there anything better to do with accelerometers, >> etc? 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URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090501/07a60910/attachment.htm From guru at unixarea.de Sat May 2 06:54:14 2009 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 06:54:14 +0200 Subject: The real gsmhandset.state [was: Re: Buzz fix difficulty [was Re: US Buzz/GPS Fix]] In-Reply-To: <200905020354.56440.joerg@openmoko.org> References: <5c6ceea80904221536p34aab20fh702452c765a0174@mail.gmail.com> <200904281613.23480.joerg@openmoko.org> <20090429055531.GA2607@rebelion.Sisis.de> <200905020354.56440.joerg@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <20090502045414.GA2871@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Saturday, May 02, 2009 a las 03:54:55AM +0200, Joerg Reisenweber escribi?: > > > The one and only *real* gsmhandset.state (for all FR!): > > > http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state > > > > > > :-) > > > > I've tried this yesterday and for me it gives a strong, no tolerable, > > local echo, even acoustic feedback between micro y speaker; > > > > sorry for not giving positiv feedback :-( > > Echo can't be controlled by adjusting mixer settings. It needs AT%Nxxxx > correct modem init. How can I do that in Om2008.9? Thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. From ant007h at gmail.com Sat May 2 07:20:28 2009 From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 22:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> <1241206960525-2755321.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241208935574-2755615.post@n2.nabble.com> <359c5480905011900l61915297gddc782028603f7d1@mail.gmail.com> <359c5480905011911q12dd59a7pae21c0d07c877da8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241241628596-2759834.post@n2.nabble.com> Nicola Mfb >>on shr-unstable mokomaze E displays two icons, I >>had to remove extra categories in the .desktop file. Thanks for report. The Digital Pioneer >>To fix the icon, just edit the .desktop file and >>change the Icon=mokomaze to Icon=mokomaze.png If these problems (double icons and no icons) are new or previous version of the game (0.2.3) has them too? I'll see FreeDesktop Menu Specification and repack .ipk and .deb. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2759834.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From openmitko at gmail.com Sat May 2 08:01:38 2009 From: openmitko at gmail.com (OpenMitko) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 09:01:38 +0300 Subject: little today app for shr In-Reply-To: <1241219070.13954.18.camel@localhost> References: <1241219070.13954.18.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <65c86d230905012301m360dd8eanb2874debbbf0cde6@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Pietro, great work! Keep it up. 2009/5/2 Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano > Hi, bored loosing some calls and always need to periodically check > pyphenlog i wrote a really simple apps that warn me if one or more call > are lost. > Here is the link to opkg, any suggestion is welcome. > > http://www.opkg.org/package_213.html > > Clicking on "1 missed call" it opens pyhoneloh and clicking on "1 unread > message" it opens opemoko-messages3, editing the script is simple so you > can modify that apps. > > The app is "insvisible", just sit there and wait for missed calls or > incoming messages. > > The way it's autostarted is tricky, sleep 180 and then run it, just to > be shure that illume and frameworkd are running. > > Bye! > > Pietro > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090502/dea33d24/attachment.htm From rms at 1407.org Sat May 2 10:21:26 2009 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 09:21:26 +0100 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <49FB89AC.2040701@omoco.de> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> <49FB89AC.2040701@omoco.de> Message-ID: <20090502082126.GB32465@roque.1407.org> On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 01:45:48AM +0200, Sebastian Hammerl wrote: > > Damn, seems fun and would love to but breaks out on Om2008.12 (and I have > > libmokoui and libode) > > > > root at om-gta02:~# mokomaze > > File_loader: savegame file not found > > File_loader: 14 game levels parsed > > Segmentation fault > > > > > you have to install libpng3. that works for me. I took it from shr > unstalbe because the repo for testint is down at the moment. Ah! Then that's it! It now works (only you need to change the desktop file to do "mokomaze -i freerunner" instead of just "mokomaze" :) Rui -- Hail Eris! Today is Boomtime, the 49th day of Discord in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? From rms at 1407.org Sat May 2 10:22:02 2009 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 09:22:02 +0100 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <1241214147980-2756380.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> <1241214147980-2756380.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20090502082202.GC32465@roque.1407.org> On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 02:42:27PM -0700, ANT wrote: > > >>root at om-gta02:~# mokomaze > >>File_loader: savegame file not found > >>File_loader: 14 game levels parsed > >>Segmentation fault > > I've found out the problem. > Install libpng3: > $ opkg install libpng3 > Now the game must runs normally. > > I've just updated installation instructions on opkg.org and homepage. > > P.S. I was sure that libsdl-image depends from libpng... No problem, it's awesome! One suggestion though: You need to change the desktop file to do "mokomaze -i freerunner" instead of just "mokomaze" :) Rui -- Umlaut Zebra ?ber alles! Today is Boomtime, the 49th day of Discord in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? From monto84 at gmail.com Sat May 2 10:27:07 2009 From: monto84 at gmail.com (Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 10:27:07 +0200 Subject: little today app for shr In-Reply-To: References: <1241219070.13954.18.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1241252827.10046.1.camel@localhost> Il giorno ven, 01/05/2009 alle 23.39 -0500, The Digital Pioneer ha scritto: > Quick bug report: if I hit the release button while the phone is > ringing, so as to reject the call without answering it, then notifier > still pops up saying I missed one. That's not technically true. :) ops, will correct it. There is someone who know how to automaically start it after X and frameworkd? actually there is a simple and dirty "sleep 180" in the init script... Thanks for the bug report. Pietro From ant007h at gmail.com Sat May 2 11:45:09 2009 From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 02:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> <1241206960525-2755321.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1241257509374-2761120.post@n2.nabble.com> Risto H. Kurppa wrote: >>Could you still try to make the balls fall further when hitting the hole.Now it looks >>like a can where the ball goes, not a infinitely deep hole. I'll try to compare in what case it looks better. Now the hole has a limited depth and the ball becomes shaded when falls in it. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2761120.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ant007h at gmail.com Sat May 2 11:46:34 2009 From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 02:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <20090502082202.GC32465@roque.1407.org> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> <1241214147980-2756380.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090502082202.GC32465@roque.1407.org> Message-ID: <1241257594426-2761124.post@n2.nabble.com> Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >>You need to change the desktop file to do "mokomaze -i freerunner" >>instead of just "mokomaze" :) Does it means that you have problems with starting the game by just 'mokomaze' command? Could you provide console output in that case? With current .desktop file the game must auto-detect input device type. First of all it checks if Freerunner's accelerometer presents. It not, the game will switch to keyboard input. So you can compile the game from the sources (without modifying it) not only for freerunner but for your desktop or laptop PC. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2761124.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From liedekef at telenet.be Sat May 2 11:49:37 2009 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 11:49:37 +0200 Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 11 Message-ID: <20090502114937.7059bc3a@telenet.be> New location for the files, watch out! New install script, watch out! (install instructions and script updated on 2090502: see below) Problems solved: ================ See http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qt-issues-fixed.txt Latest: - 20090430: deep sleep is now configurable and by default adaptive, see etc/default/Trolltech/Modem.conf (values: always, adaptive, never) - 20090502: mplayer frontend from Radek built - 20090502: VOIP code built See http://github.com/liedekef/qtmoko/commits/master for the changes Problems found (more like small nuisances now): =============================================== See http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qt-issues.txt Install instructions: ===================== download the script http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qtmoko_install.sh , read the comments at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after having flashed the device and made sure internet works). The script has 2 options: "install" or "update". An update will just download the tgz file and replace your current qte with it. For those who just want to replace their existing QtE manually, here's the link: http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qte_20090502.tgz . Enjoy! Franky From cchandel at yahoo.com Sat May 2 11:53:10 2009 From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 02:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NEW e-tasks Alpha release Updated In-Reply-To: <9e7398030905010213g3f22965dg5d53ab7cf2a3c7fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <1241012057290-2740524.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241055854589-2744591.post@n2.nabble.com> <69a2e4550904300023h3f7f95c1k2f972c1f7175d9a8@mail.gmail.com> <9e7398030904300057x1c50d9b5ufb54611f1edecf1e@mail.gmail.com> <1241081622253-2745902.post@n2.nabble.com> <9e7398030904300158y41872ed8n3d8c24b68b0ba69c@mail.gmail.com> <1241090761363-2746479.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241145887824-2751437.post@n2.nabble.com> <9e7398030905010213g3f22965dg5d53ab7cf2a3c7fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241257990615-2761137.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Richy-2 wrote: > >>If there are no tasks, it would be nice if you could just change >>priority, name and date and press save > Ok. I've added that to the latest release. Other Changes :- * cleaned up the gui a bit * stopped the 'segmentation fault' on pressing add while editing a task * fixed a bug where a few tasks were not being saved Richy-2 wrote: > >>Other then that its already usable now! >>Thanks for the work! > You're welcome. I need help in preventing the entry in the topmost line from expanding out of the screen. Any Ideas? http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2761137/e-tasks_0.12_arm.ipk e-tasks_0.12_arm.ipk -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/NEW-e-tasks-Alpha-release-%28Updated---Bugfixes%29-tp2740524p2761137.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lukpank at o2.pl Sat May 2 12:12:51 2009 From: lukpank at o2.pl (=?utf-8?Q?=C5=81ukasz?= Pankowski) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 12:12:51 +0200 Subject: debianized ffalarms 0.2.1 and atd-over-fso Message-ID: <87d4arn78c.fsf@ash.lupan-home> Hi I have just uploaded Debian packages (and source) of ffalarms and atd-over-fso they are on: https://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=260 Added quit button to main screen (default Debian/freerunner wm does not allow to close app!). Resuming from suspend works, though for me often if suspended with power button the suspend menu shows on resume just after or some time later. There are cases when it appears as a whole grey window until the buttons draws (and ffalarms puzzle is behind it). Hope someone will find it useful. From rms at 1407.org Sat May 2 12:13:50 2009 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 11:13:50 +0100 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <1241257594426-2761124.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> <1241214147980-2756380.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090502082202.GC32465@roque.1407.org> <1241257594426-2761124.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20090502101350.GD32465@roque.1407.org> On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 02:46:34AM -0700, ANT wrote: > > Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > >>You need to change the desktop file to do "mokomaze -i freerunner" > >>instead of just "mokomaze" :) > > Does it means that you have problems with starting the game by just > 'mokomaze' command? Could you provide console output in that case? > > With current .desktop file the game must auto-detect input device type. > First of all it checks if Freerunner's accelerometer presents. It not, the > game will switch to keyboard input. So you can compile the game from the > sources (without modifying it) not only for freerunner but for your desktop > or laptop PC. Yeah, I've found that even with -i it frequently just "falls" to the right and seems insensible to the accelerometers :( I launched it for a few times and it worked. Then it stopped working. The output always seems natural, to me: Working: root at om-gta02:~# DISPLAY=:0 mokomaze File_loader: 14 game levels parsed Accelerometer: starting auto-detection of device type Accelerometer: Neo Freerunner detected Accelerometer: current threshold value is 18 Accelerometer: threshold disabled successfully. Accelerometer: trying to restore old threshold value. Accelerometer: threshold restored successfully. Not working: root at om-gta02:~# DISPLAY=:0 mokomaze File_loader: 14 game levels parsed Accelerometer: starting auto-detection of device type Accelerometer: Neo Freerunner detected Accelerometer: current threshold value is 18 Accelerometer: threshold disabled successfully. Accelerometer: trying to restore old threshold value. Accelerometer: threshold restored successfully. -- Grudnuk demand sustenance! Today is Boomtime, the 49th day of Discord in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? From robin.paulson at gmail.com Sat May 2 12:14:12 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 22:14:12 +1200 Subject: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770905011922t67b076bcx950083d5159fe2c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <1239071533739-2596701.post@n2.nabble.com> <1240365483670-2673672.post@n2.nabble.com> <26fea52c0904221251ka285390xf0564b023c974c38@mail.gmail.com> <1240534653630-2689065.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905010431wb3d19d6qe950591c165e2b3e@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905010437v6742ae19u165c6e905b0ad132@mail.gmail.com> <1241188660584-2753590.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905011922t67b076bcx950083d5159fe2c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770905020314h6191accav9ff37a968667b1ce@mail.gmail.com> there are another few things i'd like to see in intone, if it's not too much to ask: 1. could you provide a setting for the default directory at startup? even if it's only configurable by editing a text file is fine 2. is there any chance of getting songs displayed with their id3 tags, rather than filenames? or does that slow things down too much? 3. there's an annoying flickering whenever i enter a new directory in the 'add albums' page. maybe it's an intone bug, maybe the glamo driver, maybe elementary? cheers, excellent app! From ant007h at gmail.com Sat May 2 13:28:14 2009 From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 04:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <20090502101350.GD32465@roque.1407.org> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> <1241214147980-2756380.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090502082202.GC32465@roque.1407.org> <1241257594426-2761124.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090502101350.GD32465@roque.1407.org> Message-ID: <1241263694119-2767110.post@n2.nabble.com> >>Yeah, I've found that even with -i it frequently just "falls" to the right and >>seems insensible to the accelerometers :( It is a problem of old kernels. Sometimes accelerometers can't "wake up" (they are sleeping by default) so wrong data is read by the game and the ball is not moving or slides left (right) slowly. So, it affects all applications that uses accelerometers. The "solution" is to restart the game or to suspend/wakeup device or to reboot. I never saw this problem on SHR, FSO and Debian since february. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2767110.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rms at 1407.org Sat May 2 13:33:39 2009 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 12:33:39 +0100 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <1241263694119-2767110.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> <1241214147980-2756380.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090502082202.GC32465@roque.1407.org> <1241257594426-2761124.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090502101350.GD32465@roque.1407.org> <1241263694119-2767110.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20090502113339.GE32465@roque.1407.org> On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 04:28:14AM -0700, ANT wrote: > > >>Yeah, I've found that even with -i it frequently just "falls" to the right > and > >>seems insensible to the accelerometers :( > > It is a problem of old kernels. Sometimes accelerometers can't "wake up" > (they are sleeping by default) so wrong data is read by the game and the > ball is not moving or slides left (right) slowly. > So, it affects all applications that uses accelerometers. The "solution" is > to restart the game or to suspend/wakeup device or to reboot. > I never saw this problem on SHR, FSO and Debian since february. Perhaps, but while it wasn't reacting to the position, it coult rotate (with omnewrotate running, but of course in that test it wasn't playable when it reacted). Rui -- Grudnuk demand sustenance! Today is Boomtime, the 49th day of Discord in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? From michael_zanetti at gmx.net Sat May 2 14:44:27 2009 From: michael_zanetti at gmx.net (Michael Zanetti) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 14:44:27 +0200 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <1241241628596-2759834.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241241628596-2759834.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <200905021444.27553.michael_zanetti@gmx.net> On Saturday 02 May 2009 07:20:28 ANT wrote: > Nicola Mfb > > >>on shr-unstable mokomaze E displays two icons, I > >>had to remove extra categories in the .desktop file. > > Thanks for report. > > The Digital Pioneer > > >>To fix the icon, just edit the .desktop file and > >>change the Icon=mokomaze to Icon=mokomaze.png > > If these problems (double icons and no icons) are new or previous version > of the game (0.2.3) has them too? > I'll see FreeDesktop Menu Specification and repack .ipk and .deb. Here the icon was missing too. After I restarted the neo the icon appeard. No change in the .desktop file was needed... Thanks for this great game! Version 0.5 really rocks!!! Michael From ifindleton at videotron.ca Sat May 2 15:14:14 2009 From: ifindleton at videotron.ca (Iain B. Findleton) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 09:14:14 -0400 Subject: Accelerometer Accuracy Message-ID: <49FC4726.5030109@videotron.ca> After many experiments with the accelerometers, I notice that there is, on my FR, a considerable difference between the readings from the 2 devices. Aside from the noise issue, the difference between the measured gravity between the 2 devices is of the order of 1m/s**2, device 0 being lower than device 1. Is there any way of calibrating the output from these devices? Simple noise suppression using thresholds appears to aggravate the problem. In my tests, the error computing the angles between the local gravity vector and the device axes when the FR is at rest on a flat surface appears to be in the range -1.5 to +1.5 degrees, something that would appear to make these devices more or less useless for anything beyond very crude estimates of local acceleration or gross changes of position. -- Iain B. Findleton Tel: 514-457-0744 From vendion at gmail.com Sat May 2 15:33:47 2009 From: vendion at gmail.com (Adam Jimerson) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 09:33:47 -0400 Subject: little today app for shr In-Reply-To: References: <1241219070.13954.18.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <5CB52338-B3B6-40E0-A866-D096206CC2DB@gmail.com> I would think that is normal, my phone before I went to the freerunner did that. It considered any call that I didn't answer a missed call. On May 2, 2009, at 12:39 AM, The Digital Pioneer wrote: > Quick bug report: if I hit the release button while the phone is > ringing, so as to reject the call without answering it, then > notifier still pops up saying I missed one. That's not technically > true. :) > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From narkos at iol.it Sat May 2 16:14:54 2009 From: narkos at iol.it (narkos at iol.it) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 16:14:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: R: Re: R: Re: [android] koolu beta 6? Message-ID: <489329.400741241273694908.JavaMail.root@wmail47> you can download the keyboard from http://code.google. com/p/netgents/downloads/detail?name=qad-keyboard.apk&can=2&q= to set up the dns use this command: setprop net.dns1 x.x.x.x hope this help michele >---- Messaggio originale---- >Da: courier at braydon.com >Data: 01/05/2009 18.13 >A: "narkos at iol.it", "List for Openmoko community discussion" >Ogg: Re: R: Re: [android] koolu beta 6? > >narkos at iol.it wrote: >> (...) >> WIFI got connected (but I >> had to install qad-keybord to set the passwd) but browser is unable to load any >> pages. >How did you install qad-keyboard, I am having the same problem. >> I manually set the dns (with open dns) but it doesn't work; using th >> enumeric ip address it works! >> >Where can you set this? I have changed my wirless to an open network >just to get automatically connected without a password, and although I >was connected to my wifi, none of the applications seemed to be able to >connect to the internet. > >Braydon >> That's all for now >> >> michele >> > >_______________________________________________ >Openmoko community mailing list >community at lists.openmoko.org >http://lists.openmoko. org/mailman/listinfo/community > From monto84 at gmail.com Sat May 2 16:21:37 2009 From: monto84 at gmail.com (Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 16:21:37 +0200 Subject: little today app for shr In-Reply-To: <5CB52338-B3B6-40E0-A866-D096206CC2DB@gmail.com> References: <1241219070.13954.18.camel@localhost> <5CB52338-B3B6-40E0-A866-D096206CC2DB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241274097.21157.1.camel@localhost> Il giorno sab, 02/05/2009 alle 09.33 -0400, Adam Jimerson ha scritto: > I would think that is normal, my phone before I went to the > freerunner did that. It considered any call that I didn't answer a > missed call. Well it's quite different, but i can't do nothing about this because looking at dbus events they are equal for both missed and rejected calls, so i can't understand if a call is lost or rejected. Bye Pietro From aapo.rantalainen at gmail.com Sat May 2 18:02:45 2009 From: aapo.rantalainen at gmail.com (Aapo Rantalainen) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 19:02:45 +0300 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released Message-ID: Hi, I implemented some multiplayer code (proof-of-concept). Two players supported, it draws another players ball in your screen. There are no moko-binaries yet, because I didn't know where to get libode-dev to crosscompiling toolchain. It is just Unix-sockets using UDP. Game is acting UDP-server _and_ UDP-client. Every time ball is drawn, its coordinates are sended to opponent. Every time server get something it supposes it is opponents coordinates and stores them. Every time ball is drawn it asked what is last reported coordinates of opponents ball and draws it too. Game must be started: mokomaze (I needed port as a parameter because I coded and tested it only with one computer) e.g. testing with one computer you can use: usr/bin/mokomaze 127.0.0.1 8000 9000 usr/bin/mokomaze 127.0.0.1 9000 8000 (Final version should have default port, so only needed parameter is opponents IP, like many multiplayer game. It can then be handled with in-game search) There are two videos (some reason my recordmydesktop segfaults all the time, so these are from videocamera). ~20M and ~10M http://cc.oulu.fi/~rantalai/freerunner/mokomaze/maze_multi1.avi http://cc.oulu.fi/~rantalai/freerunner/mokomaze/maze_multi2.avi (this shows how player1 pass the level, but another player is not informed, so they are playing different levels then) Patch contains: *opponents player drawings (this is very ugly, but there were no any support for drawing multiballs) *FULL_SCREEN disabling. (because I wanted two games on same screen) *omits parse_command_line (I wanted keep patch simple and only touch very needed files) http://cc.oulu.fi/~rantalai/freerunner/mokomaze/mokomaze_multiplayer_0.1.diff What needs improving: (are missing) drawings: different color (maybe ghost), clearing, spinning, dropping hole. value when opponents not yet connected game mechanics: level changing (this might need there must be some true 'protocol' to handle communication) score handling more players? Long term (utopistic) plans: interaction between balls (collisions) dedicated server chatting (maybe voice?) bluetooth support Collision is interested idea, but what it really means? a) Both balls has own floor (controlled by its owner) (so two balls in almost same position can be sliding different direction) b) There are only one floor controlled by both players. (Players has no own balls, only holes are marked, and players tryes to get ball in own hole) c) something else? -Aapo Rantalainen From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Sat May 2 18:15:39 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 09:15:39 -0700 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ANT, is there anyway to create your own levels? ive ploughed through all 14 last night! > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From rms at 1407.org Sat May 2 18:36:08 2009 From: rms at 1407.org (rms at 1407.org) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 17:36:08 +0100 Subject: OMNewRotate 0.5.4 is out! Message-ID: <20090502163608.GF32465@roque.1407.org> OMNewRotate 0.5.4 is out! http://blog.1407.org/2009/05/02/omnewrotate-054-is-out/ Today I released omnewrotate 0.5.4, which fixes issues 5[0] and 6[1] As I am testing the latest 2009 test image, I'm glad to announce that it still works fine with current FSO, but Paroli looks really bad when it goes landscape. I've also added a ?-p? (for powersaving) flag, oriented towards activating, well, more conservative approaches such as reading the accelerometer data not so frequently (which directly implies less responsiveness, but it was asked for). As usual, the download links are at the project's Google Code site for omnewrotate[2] (see the featured downloads section): * the ipk of this release (OpenPGP sig) [3][4] * and its tar ball (OpenPGP sig) [5][6] Enjoy! Rui [0] http://code.google.com/p/omnewrotate/issues/detail?id=5&can=1 [1] http://code.google.com/p/omnewrotate/issues/detail?id=6&can=1 [2] http://code.google.com/p/omnewrotate/ [3] http://omnewrotate.googlecode.com/files/omnewrotate_0.5.4-r0_armv4t.ipk [4] http://omnewrotate.googlecode.com/files/omnewrotate_0.5.4-r0_armv4t.ipk.asc [5] http://omnewrotate.googlecode.com/files/omnewrotate-0.5.4.tar.gz [6] http://omnewrotate.googlecode.com/files/omnewrotate-0.5.4.tar.gz.asc From aapo.rantalainen at gmail.com Sat May 2 18:46:53 2009 From: aapo.rantalainen at gmail.com (Aapo Rantalainen) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 19:46:53 +0300 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released Message-ID: Jeremy, levels are stored in: $prefixshare/mokomaze/main.levelpack.json It is human readable textfile. Maybe some day we have level editor? -Aapo Rantalainen From courier at braydon.com Sat May 2 18:53:01 2009 From: courier at braydon.com (Braydon Fuller (Mobile)) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 16:53:01 -0000 Subject: R: Re: R: Re: [android] koolu beta 6? Message-ID: Thanks this helps. Open dns worked for me, have you had to reenter the dns info after the first time "narkos at iol.it" wrote: >you can download the keyboard from >http://code.google. >com/p/netgents/downloads/detail?name=qad-keyboard.apk&can=2&q= > >to set up the >dns use this command: >setprop net.dns1 x.x.x.x > >hope this help > >michele > >>---- >Messaggio originale---- >>Da: courier at braydon.com >>Data: 01/05/2009 18.13 >>A: >"narkos at iol.it", "List for Openmoko community discussion" > >>Ogg: Re: R: Re: [android] koolu beta 6? >> > >>narkos at iol.it wrote: >>> (...) >>> WIFI got connected (but I >>> had to install >qad-keybord to set the passwd) but browser is unable to load any >>> pages. > >>How did you install qad-keyboard, I am having the same problem. >>> I manually >set the dns (with open dns) but it doesn't work; using th >>> enumeric ip >address it works! >>> >>Where can you set this? I have changed my wirless to >an open network >>just to get automatically connected without a password, and >although I >>was connected to my wifi, none of the applications seemed to be >able to >>connect to the internet. >> >>Braydon >>> That's all for now >>> >>> >michele >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Openmoko >community mailing list >>community at lists.openmoko.org >>http://lists.openmoko. >org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Openmoko community mailing list >community at lists.openmoko.org >http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From courier at braydon.com Sat May 2 19:19:06 2009 From: courier at braydon.com (Braydon Fuller) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 10:19:06 -0700 Subject: R: Re: R: Re: [android] koolu beta 6? In-Reply-To: <489329.400741241273694908.JavaMail.root@wmail47> References: <489329.400741241273694908.JavaMail.root@wmail47> Message-ID: <49FC808A.80203@braydon.com> Hm. Now I just tried to use 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220, and the dns isn't working..... Is there a way for this to automatically set it to what it needs to be? narkos at iol.it wrote: > you can download the keyboard from > http://code.google. > com/p/netgents/downloads/detail?name=qad-keyboard.apk&can=2&q= > > to set up the > dns use this command: > setprop net.dns1 x.x.x.x > > hope this help > > michele > > >> ---- >> > Messaggio originale---- > >> Da: courier at braydon.com >> Data: 01/05/2009 18.13 >> A: >> > "narkos at iol.it", "List for Openmoko community discussion" > > >> Ogg: Re: R: Re: [android] koolu beta 6? >> >> > > >> narkos at iol.it wrote: >> >>> (...) >>> WIFI got connected (but I >>> had to install >>> > qad-keybord to set the passwd) but browser is unable to load any > >>> pages. >>> > > >> How did you install qad-keyboard, I am having the same problem. >> >>> I manually >>> > set the dns (with open dns) but it doesn't work; using th > >>> enumeric ip >>> > address it works! > >>> >>> >> Where can you set this? I have changed my wirless to >> > an open network > >> just to get automatically connected without a password, and >> > although I > >> was connected to my wifi, none of the applications seemed to be >> > able to > >> connect to the internet. >> >> Braydon >> >>> That's all for now >>> >>> >>> > michele > >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko >> > community mailing list > >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko. >> > org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090502/833616b6/attachment.htm From freerunner at newkirk.us Sat May 2 19:38:15 2009 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 13:38:15 -0400 Subject: IPv6 and udhcpd-usb Message-ID: <20090502133815.0f569707@j> I've posted a blog entry (http://jthinks.com/freerunner-networking-extras) and ipks (http://newkirk.us/om) for each of the following: udhcpd-usb - config file and startup script to offer 192.168.0.200/28 via DHCP to any host connected via USB to the FreeRunner. So much simpler when I jack my FR into a random PC via USB - doesn't set up IP forwarding on the host of course, but it permits local networking to function between host and FR. (works with Ubuntu Network Manager without any configuration whatsoever, just plug in and wait a few seconds while NM gets an IP from the FR) You still need echo '1' >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE on the host if you want the FR to be able to route packets past the host to the Internet. (assuming eth0 is the outbound interface on host) IPv6 tunnel client gw6c. Establishes an IPv6-over-IPv4 tunnel to a tunnel broker like freenet6.net. Default config creates an anonymous tunnel, IE dynamic IP, but if you register with the broker (for free at go6.net/freenet6.net and others) you get a permanent static IPv6 address assignment. With that, it's possible to connect to the FreeRunner wherever it may be, so long as it has a working IPv4 connection to the internet. However, dropbear does NOT yet support IPv6 so it's necessary to remove dropbear and install openssh-sshd instead if you wish to be able to SSH to your FR over IPv6. SHR, at least, supports IPv6 out of the box, with ping6, ip6tables, etc, needing only "modprobe tun" before setting up the tunnel. (my startup script does this) I have NOT yet tested whether/which browsers on the FR support IPv6 though. j PS - note that I'm in the process of migrating my home network between ISPs, and lose my static IP with the new service. I'm migrating my servers to a colocation on a 30mbit fiber so that the above sites should continue to work seamlessly, but please bear with me if you try to access them and fail. For now, my home server responds at my old static IP while my own outbound connections use the new link. Once I get the colo server up and running I'll be migrating things there. (another few days off) From carcinoma at gmx.net Sat May 2 19:41:20 2009 From: carcinoma at gmx.net (carcinoma) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 19:41:20 +0200 Subject: FSO Compiled Message-ID: <200905021941.25874.carcinoma@gmx.net> Hi Community, i have a Question about FSO. Is it planned to install a precompiled version of the framework? I think there would be a better performance when my Neo doesn't need to compile it by himself every start. And are there any compilations needed during runtime? I think it's clear what i mean: compilation => more performance? Carci -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090502/06d97a52/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090502/06d97a52/attachment.pgp From freerunner at newkirk.us Sat May 2 20:01:38 2009 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 14:01:38 -0400 Subject: FSO Compiled In-Reply-To: <200905021941.25874.carcinoma@gmx.net> References: <200905021941.25874.carcinoma@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20090502140138.0efe07db@j> On Sat, 2 May 2009 19:41:20 +0200 carcinoma wrote: > Hi Community, > > i have a Question about FSO. > > Is it planned to install a precompiled version of the framework? > I think there would be a better performance when my Neo doesn't need > to compile it by himself every start. And are there any compilations > needed during runtime? > > I think it's clear what i mean: compilation => more performance? > > Carci It only compiles if the pertinent .pyo file is missing or dated older than the .py file. In other words, unless you've edited something it does NOT in fact compile every start... j From tanuva at googlemail.com Sat May 2 20:23:01 2009 From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 20:23:01 +0200 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <200905022023.01387.tanuva@gmail.com> Hey Ant! Nice to hear you made debian packages! Could you consider building against libode1 (ODE 0.11, debian sid) instead of libode0debian1 (ODE 0.9, debian lenny/squeeze)? Freerunner-Debian is a Debian sid/experimental so it would be nice not having to pull libode0debian1 from squeeze... Anyway the screenshots look very promising! :) -- Marcel Am Freitag, 1. Mai 2009 20:21:42 schrieb ANT: > Hi all! > > Mokomaze 0.5.0 (ball-in-the-labyrinth game) with completely new physics and > graphics engines is released! As I said before, there are a lot of changes > since previous version: > * a good-looking skin > * use ODE (Open Dynamics Engine) instead of my own physics engine > * rolling ball animation > * falling ball animation > * gravity calibration feature > * GUI improvements > * added exit button > I've also added _2_new_levels_. > > The ball became 3D and physics now calculates angular velocities, so the > game consumes more CPU time than before, but framerate stays more than > decent, so no lagging. > > Please take into account that one more dependency was added. Now the game > requires libode, which is already in Debian, but not in Openmoko > repositories. So, I've provided an .ipk compiled by myself. > Other than that, the structure of source code and building system is > unchanged. > > Complete instructions for > * installation > * avoiding auto-suspend and display dimming > * accelerometer calibration > are available at the project's homepage [1]. > Information on opkg.org was also renewed [2]. > The demonstration video (from announce letter) is available on youtube [3]. > > The debian package is untested, so let me know if it works or not. > > [1] http://mokomaze.projects.openmoko.org/ > [2] http://www.opkg.org/package_121.html > [3] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVRRXx2kEu8 > > Have a fun! > > Anton From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Sat May 2 20:41:50 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 20:41:50 +0200 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <200905022023.01387.tanuva@gmail.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905022023.01387.tanuva@gmail.com> Message-ID: Much better to prevent screen dimming that mdbus is dbus-send: "exec": { "init": "dbus-send --type=method_call --system --dest=org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage /org/shr/ophonekitd/Usage org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage.RequestResource string:Display", "final": "dbus-send --type=method_call --system --dest=org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage /org/shr/ophonekitd/Usage org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage.ReleaseResource string:Display" } It works, and works fast :) From fercerpav at gmail.com Sat May 2 20:50:58 2009 From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 22:50:58 +0400 Subject: [Mokomaze] Two bugreports and a feature-request (was: Re: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released) In-Reply-To: <200905022023.01387.tanuva@gmail.com> (Marcel's message of "Sat\, 2 May 2009 20\:23\:01 +0200") References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905022023.01387.tanuva@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey ANT! Thank you for this great app, it's really nice and cool and fun and addictive. Marcel writes: > Could you consider building against libode1 (ODE 0.11, debian sid) instead of > libode0debian1 (ODE 0.9, debian lenny/squeeze)? Freerunner-Debian is a Debian > sid/experimental so it would be nice not having to pull libode0debian1 from > squeeze... Yeah, i second this. And unfortunately it'll need some fixing because libode1 from Debian sid asserts with your app. That's the first bugreport. # mokomaze File_loader: savegame file not found File_loader: 14 game levels parsed Accelerometer: starting auto-detection of device type Accelerometer: Neo Freerunner detected Accelerometer: current threshold value is 0 Accelerometer: threshold is not required to be changed. ODE Message 2: mass must be > 0 in dMassCheck() File mass.cpp Line 49 ODE Message 2: mass must be > 0 in dMassCheck() File mass.cpp Line 49 ODE INTERNAL ERROR 1: assertion "dMassCheck(mass)" failed in dBodySetMass() [ode.cpp] Aborted The second: Try to make it resolution-independent. It now segfaults in QVGA mode. How to reproduce: xrandr -s 240x320 (for X.org it's enough, for broken Xglamo you'll need the second command: echo qvga-normal > /sys/bus/spi/devices/spi2.0/state Now you'll see a QVGA screen (but with xglamo default configuration the TS still reports 640x480 coordinates, therefore TS is unusable; xorg doesn't have that problem), try to start mokomaze via ssh, it segfaults: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. [Switching to Thread 0x40022230 (LWP 8828)] 0x0000af48 in CreateSurface () Current language: auto; currently asm (gdb) bt full #0 0x0000af48 in CreateSurface () No locals. #1 0x0000c89c in render_window () No locals. #2 0x0000a144 in main () No locals. (gdb) Ok, and one little feature-request: I guess we all would like to have a special cheat: if you hold FR upside down, the ball shouldn't fall into a hole :) Great thanks and Happy hacking! -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com From tanuva at googlemail.com Sat May 2 20:59:49 2009 From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 20:59:49 +0200 Subject: [Mokomaze] Two bugreports and a feature-request (was: Re: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released) In-Reply-To: References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905022023.01387.tanuva@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200905022059.49610.tanuva@gmail.com> Am Samstag, 2. Mai 2009 20:50:58 schrieben Sie: > Ok, and one little feature-request: > I guess we all would like to have a special cheat: if you hold FR > upside down, the ball shouldn't fall into a hole :) LOL. So the game mustn't end when the ball drops so that we can recover it... Maybe even by moving the FR up sharply to "throw" the ball a little upward... :D -- Marcel From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Sat May 2 23:22:12 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 16:22:12 -0500 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905022023.01387.tanuva@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Johny Tenfinger wrote: > Much better to prevent screen dimming that mdbus is dbus-send: > > "exec": { > "init": "dbus-send --type=method_call --system > --dest=org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage /org/shr/ophonekitd/Usage > org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage.RequestResource string:Display", > "final": "dbus-send --type=method_call --system > --dest=org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage /org/shr/ophonekitd/Usage > org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage.ReleaseResource string:Display" > } > > It works, and works fast :) Ooh, thanks, that's much faster. :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090502/932bc376/attachment.htm From matthiasfelsche at web.de Sat May 2 23:38:18 2009 From: matthiasfelsche at web.de (matthias) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 23:38:18 +0200 Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: <1241102922.4928.13.camel@daniel-laptop> References: <49F314F6.7080909@techworks.ie> <1240669817.15742.0.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F33389.5050408@techworks.ie> <1241092741.4305.21.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9A084.301@ferrieres.org> <1241098126.4928.6.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9B7B9.4000300@techworks.ie> <1241102922.4928.13.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: <49FCBD4A.5050600@web.de> > If they really need a small quantity, maybe 10. How can I do with the > rest of solar chargers, sell them??? :( I'd really like to buy one! Wouldn't it be great? An open handy powered with free and open energy!!! Damn, I'd like to buy 2 or 3! Please, get them! I'm surely not the only one who would REALLY like to have such a thing! Am I? Cheers Matthias Daniel.Li schrieb: > On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 15:37 +0100, Christian Gagneraud wrote: > >> Daniel.Li wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 14:58 +0200, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote: >>> >>>> Daniel.Li a ?crit : >>>> >>>>> On Sat, 2009-04-25 at 17:00 +0100, Christian Gagneraud wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Daniel.Li wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> In China, good. >>>>>>> I'm looking for this for quite a time :) Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>> If you find a place where to buy this product, please notify the >>>>>> mailing list, other people could be interested (hum.. like me for >>>>>> example! :p) >>>>>> >>>>> Well, I have found them. But they haven't give me the price. they keep >>>>> asking me how many I would like to order. >>>>> >>>> and you keep answering them it depends of the price ??? >>>> >>> :) price depends on quantity. >>> >>> I just wanna buy one, myself. But as a factory, they might be *NOT* >>> interested in retail :( >>> >>> But I don't know if there is still anyone interested in it. Or there is >>> any other device available to buy. >>> >> I've read somewhere that the minimum quantity was 1000 pieces. >> That's why i proposed to Christoph to add this to his shop. >> > > Humm... I'll keep contact with factory. Hope that I can get one. > > If they really need a small quantity, maybe 10. How can I do with the > rest of solar chargers, sell them??? :( > > >> Chris >> >> >>>> ../.. >>>> >>>> >> From MartinBern at web.de Sat May 2 23:51:25 2009 From: MartinBern at web.de (Martin Bernreuther) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 23:51:25 +0200 Subject: OpenBSD GTA02 images? Message-ID: <200905022351.26023.MartinBern@web.de> Hello, I read about OpenBSD running on OpenMoko now: http://www.heise.de/open/OpenBSD-laeuft-auf-OpenMoko--/news/meldung/137134 (in german) http://lwn.net/Articles/331052/ and http://www.openbsd.org/plus45.html mention an "initial port". However, I didn't see an entry in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions (with more information) yet. Are there any images (for the FR) available? (Maybe together with a readme/howto...) Regards, Martin From Chaosspawn23 at gmx.net Sun May 3 00:20:52 2009 From: Chaosspawn23 at gmx.net (Konstantin) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 00:20:52 +0200 Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: <49FCBD4A.5050600@web.de> References: <49F314F6.7080909@techworks.ie> <1240669817.15742.0.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F33389.5050408@techworks.ie> <1241092741.4305.21.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9A084.301@ferrieres.org> <1241098126.4928.6.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9B7B9.4000300@techworks.ie> <1241102922.4928.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FCBD4A.5050600@web.de> Message-ID: <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> matthias schrieb: >> If they really need a small quantity, maybe 10. How can I do with the >> rest of solar chargers, sell them??? :( > > I'd really like to buy one! > Wouldn't it be great? An open handy powered with free and open energy!!! > Damn, I'd like to buy 2 or 3! > Please, get them! > I'm surely not the only one who would REALLY like to have such a thing! Am I? For the sake of statistics: I definitely want one, too! :D > Cheers > Matthias Regards, Konstantin From kichkasch at gmx.de Sun May 3 01:20:11 2009 From: kichkasch at gmx.de (Michael Pilgermann) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 01:20:11 +0200 Subject: PISI 0.2 released In-Reply-To: <20090407090749.98220@gmx.net> References: <20090407090749.98220@gmx.net> Message-ID: <49FCD52B.7070000@gmx.de> We just released PISI 0.2. Loads of enhancements were applied to Calendar synchronization - now supporting Google Calendar and ICalendar. Contacts Synchronization currently supports QTopia SQLite, LDAP, VCF files and Google Contacts. Get your copy here: http://www.opkg.org/package_191.html From kichkasch at gmx.de Sun May 3 01:24:32 2009 From: kichkasch at gmx.de (Michael Pilgermann) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 01:24:32 +0200 Subject: Tasks Client for FR In-Reply-To: <40cd9ce40904150105p5b725c3ej861539b9f12c1b1e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1239243975953-2609094.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770904081936j6660661bve099712453140e18@mail.gmail.com> <1239249933644-2609376.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770904082205q20690188x88150d06b8d7371c@mail.gmail.com> <1239257072219-2609563.post@n2.nabble.com> <40cd9ce40904090051r37f67c4ajfb27708ef59bd15f@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770904091531l5e555eddg868621655b9dea2c@mail.gmail.com> <40cd9ce40904100108v4f42be57y102268dc9d4038db@mail.gmail.com> <1239739368845-2635064.post@n2.nabble.com> <40cd9ce40904150105p5b725c3ej861539b9f12c1b1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49FCD630.1030103@gmx.de> > Great news ! I think ics support will allow a lot of things We just released PISI 0.2. The biggest change is ICalendar support! Greetings Mike From liedekef at telenet.be Sun May 3 01:24:44 2009 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 01:24:44 +0200 Subject: [QtExtended] bluetooth Message-ID: <20090503012444.77675d4e@telenet.be> Hi all, if anybody is interested: I've done some initial work on getting qtopia to talk bluez4 (qtopia was using bluez3 interface). This proves to be a laboursome task, and for me more important matters await, so if anybody feels up to the task of continuing this, I'll be more than happy to hand over my changes regarding this so far. If not, I'll put these changes aside for a distant future (I don't really need bluetooth)... I believe that anyone who knows a bit of bluetooth and programming in qt can get this done much more quickly than I can, and I can assist with anything I've learned so far in this matter. Franky From lida_mail at 163.com Sun May 3 02:42:25 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 08:42:25 +0800 Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> References: <49F314F6.7080909@techworks.ie> <1240669817.15742.0.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F33389.5050408@techworks.ie> <1241092741.4305.21.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9A084.301@ferrieres.org> <1241098126.4928.6.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9B7B9.4000300@techworks.ie> <1241102922.4928.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FCBD4A.5050600@web.de> <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1241311345.8395.9.camel@daniel-laptop> On Sun, 2009-05-03 at 00:20 +0200, Konstantin wrote: > matthias schrieb: > >> If they really need a small quantity, maybe 10. How can I do with the > >> rest of solar chargers, sell them??? :( > > > > I'd really like to buy one! > > Wouldn't it be great? An open handy powered with free and open energy!!! > > Damn, I'd like to buy 2 or 3! > > Please, get them! > > I'm surely not the only one who would REALLY like to have such a thing! Am I? > > For the sake of statistics: I definitely want one, too! :D :) Humm... I think I'd better let them to make a bid for small quantity. :D > > > Cheers > > Matthias > > Regards, > Konstantin > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From shachar at shemesh.biz Sun May 3 07:58:39 2009 From: shachar at shemesh.biz (Shachar Shemesh) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 08:58:39 +0300 Subject: Will my phone buzz? Message-ID: <49FD328F.5070209@shemesh.biz> Hi all, I fairly recently bought a freerunner. My cellular provider uses 900MHz, and I (and my call partners) do not complain of any buzz. However, I understand that the buzz mostly happens with 1800 and 1900 cellular networks, and so the fact I hear no buzz does not mean my phone is buzz free. For the next few weeks I have high access to SMT soldering equipment and people who know how to work them. I'd prefer to find a way to find out whether my phone needs the buzz fix now (and how to apply it), rather than later (when I will have no capability to actually fix it). Can anyone tell me how I can find out? Is there some way to look at the board of a phone and tell whether it has the fix? Thanks, Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting Ltd. http://www.lingnu.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090503/281a0699/attachment.htm From ant007h at gmail.com Sun May 3 09:18:05 2009 From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 00:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <1241241628596-2759834.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090501190943.GA32465@roque.1407.org> <1241206960525-2755321.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241208935574-2755615.post@n2.nabble.com> <359c5480905011900l61915297gddc782028603f7d1@mail.gmail.com> <359c5480905011911q12dd59a7pae21c0d07c877da8@mail.gmail.com> <1241241628596-2759834.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1241335085798-2776786.post@n2.nabble.com> >>on shr-unstable mokomaze E displays two icons, I >>had to remove extra categories in the .desktop file. I've read Freedesktop Specification and it says that many categories are OK, so I considered this field to be 'Application;Game'. The Digital Pioneer >>To fix the icon, just edit the .desktop file and >>change the Icon=mokomaze to Icon=mokomaze.png Michael Zanetti >>After I restarted the neo the icon appeard. No >>change in the .desktop file was needed... Again, Freedesktop Specification says file extensions are auto-detected, so 'Icon=' field is OK too, especially when restarting of E solves the problem. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2776786.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ant007h at gmail.com Sun May 3 09:20:31 2009 From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 00:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1241335231399-2776790.post@n2.nabble.com> Aapo Rantalainen >>Hi, I implemented some multiplayer code (proof-of-concept). Good start! Just some coding tips: >>Every time ball is drawn, its coordinates are sended to >>opponent. There would be better to have a timer that sends ball's coordinates with fixed periodicity (e.g. 60 times a second). >>opponents player drawings (this is very ugly, but there were no any >>support for drawing multiballs) It is better to draw opponent's ball by a sprite (as in previous versions of mokomaze) and may be with alpha blending. Also, you need to remember opponent's previous position to restore the level's background in that place. Then draw opponent's ball. Then refresh screen surface at old and new ball's location. >>level changing (this might need there must be some true 'protocol' >>to handle communication) This is what to be done first of all. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2776790.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ant007h at gmail.com Sun May 3 09:21:42 2009 From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 00:21:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <200905022023.01387.tanuva@gmail.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905022023.01387.tanuva@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241335302723-2776792.post@n2.nabble.com> Marcel-2 >>Could you consider building against libode1 (ODE 0.11, debian sid) instead of >>libode0debian1 (ODE 0.9, debian lenny/squeeze)? Freerunner-Debian is a Debian >>sid/experimental so it would be nice not having to pull libode0debian1 from >>squeeze... I'll investigate. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2776792.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ant007h at gmail.com Sun May 3 09:23:53 2009 From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 00:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mokomaze] Two bugreports and a feature-request (was: Re: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released) In-Reply-To: References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905022023.01387.tanuva@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241335433303-2776798.post@n2.nabble.com> Paul Fertser >>Thank you for this great app, it's really nice and cool and fun and >>addictive. It is nice to hear that is works normally on Debian. >>And unfortunately it'll need some fixing because >>libode1 from Debian sid asserts with your app. Thanks for report. I'll investigane with what 'configure' parameters was compiled libode1 (from sid) and try to prevent asserts. But first of all I need to reinstall by broken debian. >>Try to make it resolution-independent. It now segfaults in QVGA mode. I assume it as a long term plan: there are many physical values and graphical objects to be scaled down when computing or drawing. >>I guess we all would like to have a special cheat: if you hold FR >>upside down, the ball shouldn't fall into a hole :) 1 of 3 people that saw how the ball fell down say that :) I will think something up. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2776798.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ant007h at gmail.com Sun May 3 09:24:40 2009 From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 00:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905022023.01387.tanuva@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241335480036-2776801.post@n2.nabble.com> Johny Tenfinger >>Much better to prevent screen dimming that mdbus is dbus-send: Thanks! I'll renew the instructions. P.S. I think 'CPU' must be requested too. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2776801.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ant007h at gmail.com Sun May 3 09:26:46 2009 From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 00:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1241335606942-2776804.post@n2.nabble.com> >>is there anyway to create your own levels? The format of levels is very easy: there are coordinates of walls (boxes), holes, exit and ball's initialization position. At that time you may design new level only manually e.g. by drawing it on the paper. >>Maybe some day we have level editor? I'd prefer someone to make it :) By the way, converter from the format of some _existing_ opensource vector editor is better. The original levels were converted from .dxf format by my unaccomplished tool fast-coded on C#. Maybe if more people will like to make (and contribute) new levels I'll write a simple online-editor or accomplish the existing converter, adapt it to Mono platform, and public it. I would be glad to see some well-tuned contributed levels. They will be included in extended levelpack and placed at the homepage. If really _many_ levels are contributed I'll add a multi-levelpack support to the game with possibility to install new levelpacks by opkg. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2776804.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lida_mail at 163.com Sun May 3 10:06:44 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 16:06:44 +0800 Subject: qemu-native build fail Message-ID: <1241338005.7194.5.camel@daniel-laptop> Dear List, I have found that qemu-native failed with gcc 3.4, see below. Originally, qemu failed with 4.* gcc, now qemu is ok with gcc3.4 but qemu-native failed. I googled, only found this http://pastebin.com/f75407ece# , which seems failed on 20 Apr. Now, I'm confused. Is there anyone can help me out this problem? I'm build fso-gta02-testing-image, with Jaunty (ubuntu 9.04). Thanks. NOTE: Running task 241 of 253 (ID: 8, /home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/openembedded/recipes/qemu/qemu-native_svn.bb, do_compile) NOTE: package qemu-native-0.9.1+svnr4242-r15: task do_compile: started ERROR: function do_compile failed ERROR: see log in /home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.1+svnr4242-r15/temp/log.do_compile.10467 NOTE: Task failed: /home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.1+svnr4242-r15/temp/log.do_compile.10467 NOTE: package qemu-native-0.9.1+svnr4242-r15: task do_compile: failed ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting ERROR: Build of /home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/openembedded/recipes/qemu/qemu-native_svn.bb do_compile failed ERROR: Task 8 (/home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/openembedded/recipes/qemu/qemu-native_svn.bb, do_compile) failed NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 240 tasks of which 0 didn't need to be rerun and 1 failed. ERROR: '/home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/openembedded/recipes/qemu/qemu-native_svn.bb' failed >From log, we can see gcc-3.4 -I. -I.. -I/home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.1+svnr4242-r15/trunk/target-i386 -I/home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.1+svnr4242-r15/trunk -MMD -MP -DNEED_CPU_H -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -I/home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.1+svnr4242-r15/trunk/tcg -I/home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.1+svnr4242-r15/trunk/tcg/i386 -I/home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.1+svnr4242-r15/trunk/fpu -DHAS_AUDIO -DHAS_AUDIO_CHOICE -I/home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.1+svnr4242-r15/trunk/slirp -isystem/home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/include -O2 -Wall -O2 -g -fno-strict-aliasing -m32 -c -o kqemu.o /home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.1+svnr4242-r15/trunk/kqemu.c gcc-3.4 -Wall -O2 -g -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-reorder-blocks -fno-gcse -fno-optimize-sibling-calls -fno-crossjumping -fno-align-labels -fno-align-jumps -fno-align-functions -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -fomit-frame-pointer -m32 -I. -I.. -I/home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.1+svnr4242-r15/trunk/target-i386 -I/home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.1+svnr4242-r15/trunk -MMD -MP -DNEED_CPU_H -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -I/home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.1+svnr4242-r15/trunk/tcg -I/home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.1+svnr4242-r15/trunk/tcg/i386 -I/home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.1+svnr4242-r15/trunk/fpu -DHAS_AUDIO -DHAS_AUDIO_CHOICE -I/home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.1+svnr4242-r15/trunk/slirp -c -o op.o /home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.1+svnr4242-r15/trunk/target-i386/op.c /home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.1 +svnr4242-r15/trunk/target-i386/ops_sse.h: In function `op_pshufw_mmx': /home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.1 +svnr4242-r15/trunk/target-i386/ops_sse.h:597: error: unable to find a register to spill in class `GENERAL_REGS' /home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.1 +svnr4242-r15/trunk/target-i386/ops_sse.h:597: error: this is the insn: (insn:HI 18 17 19 0 /home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.1+svnr4242-r15/trunk/target-i386/ops_sse.h:592 (set (strict_low_part (subreg:HI (reg/v:DI 58 [ r ]) 0)) (mem/s/j:HI (plus:SI (mult:SI (reg:SI 62) (const_int 2 [0x2])) (reg/v/f:SI 60 [ s ])) [0 ._w S2 A16])) 54 {*movstricthi_1} (insn_list 16 (insn_list 12 (insn_list 50 (nil)))) (expr_list:REG_DEAD (reg:SI 62) (nil))) /home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.1 +svnr4242-r15/trunk/target-i386/ops_sse.h:597: confused by earlier errors, bailing out make[1]: *** [op.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/daniel/work4/fso/fso-testing/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.1+svnr4242-r15/trunk/i386-softmmu' make: *** [subdir-i386-softmmu] Error 2 FATAL: oe_runmake failed -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From vanous at penguin.cz Sun May 3 10:34:49 2009 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 10:34:49 +0200 Subject: [all e/illume based] copy/paste References: <20090426102844.5301e22e@penguin.cz> <20090427110749.464606d3.raster@rasterman.com> <5D8290ED-9829-472A-ADFC-8B9A0536B4ED@baumann.name> <20090430174116.0a5053f3.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <20090503103449.1d3a3535@penguin.cz> On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:41:16 +1000 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) (CH(R) wrote: >On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:24:55 +0100 Tilman Baumann > said: > >> >> On 27 Apr 2009, at 02:07, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >> >> > On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 00:38:20 +0200 "Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o)" >> > > > > >> > said: >> >> >> >> Recent versions of Elementary include a support for easy >> >> copy/paste actions. I think it's a good example that could be >> >> ported also to other >> >> toolkits (wich mostly need patches, BTW). >> > >> > yes. just hold down your finger for a second and presto.. menu >> > (you can paste >> > or begin selecting things). the selection is "malleable" ie the >> > first time when >> > there is no selection you define it with a drag. but after that >> > pressing near >> > the beginning or end of the selection allows you to adjust it to >> > get it right. >> > press and hold again for menu to "copy" or "cut" or "cancel". >> > cancel just >> > clears the selection and does nothing. copy and cut put that >> > selection in the >> > copy buffer, and going anywhere else to paste will paste it. >> >> Wow, nice! But it does only work in text edit fields. >> Not for example in the sms message view text area. Feature >> request... ;) > >that's up to the app - but if you look at elementary_test - anchorview >and anchoirblock both are not text fields u can type in - but they are >selectable (they allow selection) and the same thing works. it's up to >the app to allow selection or not - use anchorview widget or just a >simpel label (labels don't allow selection). it works really well, thank you. the only issue i can see is that if the text field is somewhere in the middle of the screen then the popup menu goes under the topbar... Petr From raster at rasterman.com Sun May 3 10:44:23 2009 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 18:44:23 +1000 Subject: [all e/illume based] copy/paste In-Reply-To: <20090503103449.1d3a3535@penguin.cz> References: <20090426102844.5301e22e@penguin.cz> <20090427110749.464606d3.raster@rasterman.com> <5D8290ED-9829-472A-ADFC-8B9A0536B4ED@baumann.name> <20090430174116.0a5053f3.raster@rasterman.com> <20090503103449.1d3a3535@penguin.cz> Message-ID: <20090503184423.69bd1f4b.raster@rasterman.com> On Sun, 3 May 2009 10:34:49 +0200 Petr Vanek said: > >that's up to the app - but if you look at elementary_test - anchorview > >and anchoirblock both are not text fields u can type in - but they are > >selectable (they allow selection) and the same thing works. it's up to > >the app to allow selection or not - use anchorview widget or just a > >simpel label (labels don't allow selection). > > > it works really well, thank you. the only issue i can see is that if the > text field is somewhere in the middle of the screen then the popup menu > goes under the topbar... yeah. that's a generic problem i have to fix with the hoversel - it doesnt account for window bounds at all. add that to the long list of things to do! :) -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Sun May 3 10:47:54 2009 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 11:47:54 +0300 Subject: Will my phone buzz? In-Reply-To: <49FD328F.5070209@shemesh.biz> (Shachar Shemesh's message of "Sun, 03 May 2009 08:58:39 +0300") References: <49FD328F.5070209@shemesh.biz> Message-ID: <84d4aqwp1h.fsf@sauna.l.org> Shachar Shemesh writes: > Can anyone tell me how I can find out? Is there some way to look at > the board of a phone and tell whether it has the fix? cat /proc/cpuinfo If it says 0305 you have V5 and need a fix. From hans at everlasting.be Sun May 3 12:22:12 2009 From: hans at everlasting.be (Hans Zimmerman) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 12:22:12 +0200 Subject: OpenBSD GTA02 images? In-Reply-To: <200905022351.26023.MartinBern@web.de> References: <200905022351.26023.MartinBern@web.de> Message-ID: <49FD7054.9000700@everlasting.be> Martin Bernreuther wrote: > Hello, > > I read about OpenBSD running on OpenMoko now: > http://www.heise.de/open/OpenBSD-laeuft-auf-OpenMoko--/news/meldung/137134 (in german) > http://lwn.net/Articles/331052/ and http://www.openbsd.org/plus45.html mention an "initial port". > However, I didn't see an entry in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions (with more information) yet. > > Are there any images (for the FR) available? > (Maybe together with a readme/howto...) > > Regards, > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I'm guesing drahn could tell you. From http://openmoko.kd85.com/ ## Booting kernel from Legacy Image at 33000000 ... Image Name: OpenBSD Created: 2009-02-08 14:14:10 UTC Image Type: ARM Unknown OS Kernel Image (gzip compressed) Data Size: 1260477 Bytes = 1.2 MB Load Address: 30300000 Entry Point: 30300000 Verifying Checksum ... OK Uncompressing Kernel Image ... OK Starting kernel ... OpenBSD/moko booting ... init_ulcon 3init_ucon 245init_ufcon 1init_umcon 0init_utrstat 6init_uerstat 0ini t_ufstat 0init_umstat 0init_ubrdiv 1ainitarm: Configuring system ... physmemory: 16384 pages at 0x30000000 -> 0x33ffffff Allocating page tables freestart = 0x30009000, free_pages = 759 (0x000002f7) IRQ stack: p0x302d1000 v0xc02d1000 ABT stack: p0x302d0000 v0xc02d0000 UND stack: p0x302cf000 v0xc02cf000 SVC stack: p0x302cd000 v0xc02cd000 Creating L1 page table at 0x302fc000 Mapping kernel Constructing L2 page tables freestart = 0x306d6000 - 34000000, free_pages = 14634 (0x392a) switching to new L1 page table @0x302fc000...bootstrap done. init subsystems: stacks vectors undefined page pmap [ no symbol table formats fo und ] Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. Copyright (c) 1995-2009 OpenBSD. All rights reserved. http://www.OpenBSD.org OpenBSD 4.4-current (RAMDISK) #232: Sun Feb 8 08:14:08 CST 2009 drahn at drahnlap.astc-design.net:/scratch/OpenBSD/src/sys/arch/moko/compile/RA MDISK real mem = 67108864 (64MB) avail mem = 55869440 (53MB) mainbus0 at root cpu0 at mainbus0: ARM920T rev 0 (ARM9TDMI core) cpu0: DC enabled IC enabled WB enabled EABT cpu0: 16KB(32b/l,64way) I-cache, 16KB(32b/l,64way) wr-back-lock-A D-cache ssio0 at mainbus0: fclk 200 MHz hclk 200 MHz pclk 100 MHz sscom0 at ssio0 unit 0: addr=50000000 irqs(33:32:34) sscom1 at ssio0 unit 1: addr=50004000 irqs(36:35:37) sscom2 at ssio0 unit 2: addr=50008000 irqs(39:38:40): console clock: hz=100 stathz = 64 PCLK=100000000 prescaler=2 tc=48828 rd0: fixed, 5120 blocks root on rd0a swap on rd0b dump on rd0b erase ^?, werase ^W, kill ^U, intr ^C, status ^T (I)nstall, (U)pgrade or (S)hell? s # From list-openmoko at omoco.de Sun May 3 13:05:57 2009 From: list-openmoko at omoco.de (Sebastian Hammerl) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 13:05:57 +0200 Subject: cellhunter --- the state of development and future In-Reply-To: <49EA3BAD.6060806@gmail.com> References: <49EA3BAD.6060806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49FD7A95.6050001@omoco.de> Hi, Here are some updates about cellhunter. I am currently working at an online map so you can view already found cells around you. I am using tangogps to display the cells and it looks like: http://78.47.116.33/~hole/cellhunter/images/tangogps.png I created a tangogps repository which overlays the celldata over openstreetmap. So you know if somebody has been there and where you can get new cells. It is not finished yet but I will release it soon. Greetings, Sebastian ivvmm schrieb: > I wonder how quick is it developed and how much people are involved in? > In fact no one in my country is using it(looked at the map on > cellhunter's site). By also looking at the map we can see that many > regions are already covered. > > So when the next steps will be taken? I mean integrating the ability to > get a fix from a network cell for GPS clients. TangoGPS for example? Or > will cellhunter remain just a game? > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > From klemmster at gmail.com Sun May 3 13:09:11 2009 From: klemmster at gmail.com (Richy) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 13:09:11 +0200 Subject: PISI 0.2 released In-Reply-To: <49FCD52B.7070000@gmx.de> References: <20090407090749.98220@gmx.net> <49FCD52B.7070000@gmx.de> Message-ID: <9e7398030905030409q2d4a4e70x9d6e421e416daebd@mail.gmail.com> I tried this on shr-testing but I get: root at om-gta02 ~/.pisi $ pisigui > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/bin/pisigui", line 31, in > import pisi > File "/opt/pisi/pisi.py", line 31, in > from events import events, eventsSync > File "/opt/pisi/events/events.py", line 22, in > import vobject > ImportError: No module named vobject > Maybe this is python-2.6 related? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090503/3e8a826a/attachment.htm From shachar at shemesh.biz Sun May 3 13:18:57 2009 From: shachar at shemesh.biz (Shachar Shemesh) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 14:18:57 +0300 Subject: Will my phone buzz? In-Reply-To: <84d4aqwp1h.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <49FD328F.5070209@shemesh.biz> <84d4aqwp1h.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <49FD7DA1.5010409@shemesh.biz> Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > Shachar Shemesh writes: > >> Can anyone tell me how I can find out? Is there some way to look at >> the board of a phone and tell whether it has the fix? >> > > cat /proc/cpuinfo > > If it says 0305 you have V5 and need a fix. > > I'm sorry if I'm asking a silly question. When I do "cat /proc/cpuinfo" I get "Revision: 24420360", so presumably I'm okay. Then again, while trying to figure out what field I was supposed to be looking at, I stumbled upon http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware. From there, it seems that the user space gets that data from the kernel, which in turn gets it from the boot loader, which doesn't get it from anywhere at all hardware related. I've upgraded my boot loader with an image I downloaded from the Internet (so I could boot from ext2 partitions on a microsd card). So now I have to wonder whether the fact that it says "24420360" actually means anything other than "I upgraded my u-boot"? I have the debug board, which implicitly means I have the screw driver needed to open the device (already did once). I was more looking for something that says "this is the change you need to do in order to fix the buzz", and then just open the device and have a look whether that change is already in place. Thanks, Shachar P.s. This is somewhat academic, as I'm fairly certain that my phone is a V6 -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting Ltd. http://www.lingnu.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From cgagneraud at techworks.ie Sun May 3 13:30:19 2009 From: cgagneraud at techworks.ie (Christian Gagneraud) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 12:30:19 +0100 Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> References: <49F314F6.7080909@techworks.ie> <1240669817.15742.0.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F33389.5050408@techworks.ie> <1241092741.4305.21.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9A084.301@ferrieres.org> <1241098126.4928.6.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9B7B9.4000300@techworks.ie> <1241102922.4928.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FCBD4A.5050600@web.de> <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> Message-ID: <49FD804B.9090003@techworks.ie> Konstantin wrote: > matthias schrieb: >>> If they really need a small quantity, maybe 10. How can I do with the >>> rest of solar chargers, sell them??? :( >> I'd really like to buy one! >> Wouldn't it be great? An open handy powered with free and open energy!!! >> Damn, I'd like to buy 2 or 3! Same for me, i'd like to buy at least two. Chris >> Please, get them! >> I'm surely not the only one who would REALLY like to have such a thing! Am I? > > For the sake of statistics: I definitely want one, too! :D > >> Cheers >> Matthias > > Regards, > Konstantin > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From unachievable at gmail.com Sun May 3 13:41:23 2009 From: unachievable at gmail.com (ivvmm) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 15:41:23 +0400 Subject: cellhunter --- the state of development and future In-Reply-To: <49FD7A95.6050001@omoco.de> References: <49EA3BAD.6060806@gmail.com> <49FD7A95.6050001@omoco.de> Message-ID: <49FD82E3.4040402@gmail.com> Sebastian Hammerl wrote: > Hi, > > Here are some updates about cellhunter. I am currently working at an > online map so you can view already found cells around you. I am using > tangogps to display the cells and it looks like: > http://78.47.116.33/~hole/cellhunter/images/tangogps.png > > I created a tangogps repository which overlays the celldata over > openstreetmap. So you know if somebody has been there and where you can > get new cells. > > It is not finished yet but I will release it soon. > > Greetings, Sebastian > > ivvmm schrieb: >> I wonder how quick is it developed and how much people are involved in? >> In fact no one in my country is using it(looked at the map on >> cellhunter's site). By also looking at the map we can see that many >> regions are already covered. >> >> So when the next steps will be taken? I mean integrating the ability to >> get a fix from a network cell for GPS clients. TangoGPS for example? Or >> will cellhunter remain just a game? >> Thank you very much. This feature is a useful one that will help me as I have already forgotten what places I had fetched and what not. It looks like it is time for a feature request for TangoGPS to allow overlaying of maps: not just points where GPS was linked with GSM, but OSM over Google maps or so as number of repositories grow. My SD card is running out of space because of maps. And now additional repository will be added which partly duplicates OSM! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 835 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090503/e726ed8f/attachment.pgp From cgagneraud at techworks.ie Sun May 3 15:11:14 2009 From: cgagneraud at techworks.ie (Christian Gagneraud) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 14:11:14 +0100 Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: <49FD804B.9090003@techworks.ie> References: <49F314F6.7080909@techworks.ie> <1240669817.15742.0.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F33389.5050408@techworks.ie> <1241092741.4305.21.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9A084.301@ferrieres.org> <1241098126.4928.6.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9B7B9.4000300@techworks.ie> <1241102922.4928.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FCBD4A.5050600@web.de> <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> <49FD804B.9090003@techworks.ie> Message-ID: <49FD97F2.508@techworks.ie> Christian Gagneraud wrote: > Konstantin wrote: >> matthias schrieb: >>>> If they really need a small quantity, maybe 10. How can I do with the >>>> rest of solar chargers, sell them??? :( >>> I'd really like to buy one! >>> Wouldn't it be great? An open handy powered with free and open energy!!! >>> Damn, I'd like to buy 2 or 3! > > Same for me, i'd like to buy at least two. I've got a quote for the SC019, SC020 and SC021, minimum order quantity is 50: | SC019 | SC020 | SC021 ----------+-------------+--------------+---------- price(USD)| 35.88 | 34.00 | 25.63 battery | 3.0Ah | 3.6Ah | 2.0Ah http://www.en-hancing.com/productDetail.php?id=78 http://www.en-hancing.com/productDetail.php?id=79 http://www.en-hancing.com/productDetail.php?id=80 Regards, Chris > > Chris > >>> Please, get them! >>> I'm surely not the only one who would REALLY like to have such a thing! Am I? >> For the sake of statistics: I definitely want one, too! :D >> >>> Cheers >>> Matthias >> Regards, >> Konstantin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From cyberfrag at gmx.net Sun May 3 15:56:57 2009 From: cyberfrag at gmx.net (Andreas "Cyberfrag" Fischer) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 15:56:57 +0200 Subject: [fso-testing] python-xml missing? Message-ID: <49FDA2A9.2050108@gmx.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I'm trying to develop a small Python application which needs to parse XML-Files. Now, executing the app on my phone gives me: > from xml.dom.ext.reader import Sax2 > ImportError: No module named ext.reader So - apparently python-xml isn't installed. Funny, though, that "opkg install python-xml" says: > Package python-xml (2.6.1-ml0.1) installed in root is up to date. I tried a "opkg -force-reinstall install python-xml", but to no avail: > ERROR: Package python-xml (parent python-xml) is not available from any configured src. (I did "opkg update" before - obviously.) Um... help? I tried to find the package online somewhere, but could only find a version for Python 2.5 (and I don't think mixing versions here is a good idea). Where can I get an up-to-date .ipk? Regards, Andreas Fischer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkn9oqgACgkQ5Fl7TYZQYwFS4QCgiaZzHRzT/DmIprRZO0EU1tnT hpMAnicdrZ+k5gzy4GYYJRRAAi0gRDCd =9vi+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Sun May 3 16:51:16 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 07:51:16 -0700 Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: <49FD97F2.508@techworks.ie> References: <1241092741.4305.21.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9A084.301@ferrieres.org> <1241098126.4928.6.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9B7B9.4000300@techworks.ie> <1241102922.4928.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FCBD4A.5050600@web.de> <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> <49FD804B.9090003@techworks.ie> <49FD97F2.508@techworks.ie> Message-ID: those are pritty awesome On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 6:11 AM, Christian Gagneraud wrote: > Christian Gagneraud wrote: >> Konstantin wrote: >>> matthias schrieb: >>>>> If they really need a small quantity, maybe 10. How can I do with the >>>>> rest of solar chargers, sell them??? :( >>>> I'd really like to buy one! >>>> Wouldn't it be great? An open handy powered with free and open energy!!! >>>> Damn, I'd like to buy 2 or 3! >> >> Same for me, i'd like to buy at least two. > > I've got a quote for the SC019, SC020 and SC021, minimum order > quantity is 50: > > | SC019 | SC020 | SC021 > ----------+-------------+--------------+---------- > price(USD)| 35.88 | 34.00 | 25.63 > battery | 3.0Ah | 3.6Ah | 2.0Ah > > > http://www.en-hancing.com/productDetail.php?id=78 > http://www.en-hancing.com/productDetail.php?id=79 > http://www.en-hancing.com/productDetail.php?id=80 > > Regards, > Chris > >> >> Chris >> >>>> Please, get them! >>>> I'm surely not the only one who would REALLY like to have such a thing! Am I? >>> For the sake of statistics: I definitely want one, too! :D >>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Matthias >>> Regards, >>> Konstantin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Openmoko community mailing list >>> community at lists.openmoko.org >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From rask at sygehus.dk Sun May 3 18:03:57 2009 From: rask at sygehus.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 18:03:57 +0200 Subject: Will my phone buzz? In-Reply-To: <49FD7DA1.5010409@shemesh.biz> References: <49FD328F.5070209@shemesh.biz> <84d4aqwp1h.fsf@sauna.l.org> <49FD7DA1.5010409@shemesh.biz> Message-ID: <20090503160357.GW27350@sygehus.dk> On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 02:18:57PM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > I'm sorry if I'm asking a silly question. When I do "cat /proc/cpuinfo" > I get "Revision: 24420360", so presumably I'm okay. Then again, while > trying to figure out what field I was supposed to be looking at, I > stumbled upon http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware. > From there, it seems that the user space gets that data from the kernel, > which in turn gets it from the boot loader, which doesn't get it from > anywhere at all hardware related. It _is_ read from the hardware by the kernel. Please see function gta02_get_pcb_revision() in arch/arm/mach-s3c2442/mach-gta02.c. > I have the debug board, which implicitly means I have the screw driver > needed to open the device (already did once). I was more looking for > something that says "this is the change you need to do in order to fix > the buzz", and then just open the device and have a look whether that > change is already in place. Easy enough. Unscrew the two screws, remove the front cover and check the area left of the mic. If there isn't a huge (relatively - 3.2 mm by 1.6 mm or more) capacitor left of or above the small resistors and capacitors, then you don't have the buzz fix. Examples: http://anyotherkey.googlepages.com/c http://vanous.penguin.cz/files/om/SOP/ Note: This does not apply to the GTA02v8 which is buzz-fixed differently. Btw, do we really need two wiki pages for the same thing? https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM_buzz https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buzz_Fix -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year From yogizz at gmail.com Sun May 3 18:25:59 2009 From: yogizz at gmail.com (Yogiz) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 19:25:59 +0300 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20090503192559.4f205aa5@blunt.home> Thank you for this. Mokomaze looks and feels extremely polished. I have one recommendation to you. When you keep improving the game, do not change the basic gameplay. Do not add timed completions or scores or anything the like. One reason why it feels so nice right now is it's simplicity. Just get to the end, doesn't matter how fast, doesn't matter with how many tries, no one keeps count. That doesn't mean you can't make the level mechanics more sophisticated though. Moving platforms and the like would be quite welcome. Overall, nice job! This is the most polished game on the freerunner. From tanuva at googlemail.com Sun May 3 18:40:32 2009 From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 18:40:32 +0200 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <1241335302723-2776792.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905022023.01387.tanuva@gmail.com> <1241335302723-2776792.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <200905031840.32635.tanuva@gmail.com> Am Sonntag, 3. Mai 2009 09:21:42 schrieb ANT: > I'll investigate. Another thing about the debian package: Could you release your package source (dsc-file), too? I've just got my qemubuilder environment set up successfully and would like to fiddle with mokomaze around a bit... (and could build a package against libode1, too, if everything works like I expect it to do). -- Marcel From paul at nlpagan.net Sun May 3 19:06:45 2009 From: paul at nlpagan.net (Paul) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 19:06:45 +0200 Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: References: <1241092741.4305.21.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9A084.301@ferrieres.org> <1241098126.4928.6.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9B7B9.4000300@techworks.ie> <1241102922.4928.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FCBD4A.5050600@web.de> <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> <49FD804B.9090003@techworks.ie> <49FD97F2.508@techworks.ie> Message-ID: <49FDCF25.8080808@nlpagan.net> jeremy jozwik wrote: > those are pritty awesome > Definitely! I wonder what one of those would cost including shipping to the Netherlands. The SC021 looks like a sweet deal. Paul From ant007h at gmail.com Sun May 3 19:28:40 2009 From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 10:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <200905031840.32635.tanuva@gmail.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905022023.01387.tanuva@gmail.com> <1241335302723-2776792.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905031840.32635.tanuva@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241371720784-2778413.post@n2.nabble.com> Marcel-2 wrote: >>Could you release your package source (dsc-file), too? I've created .deb package with checkinstall, not with dh_make/dpkg-buildpackage so I have not .dsc file. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2778413.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ant007h at gmail.com Sun May 3 19:30:40 2009 From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 10:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <20090503192559.4f205aa5@blunt.home> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090503192559.4f205aa5@blunt.home> Message-ID: <1241371840448-2778417.post@n2.nabble.com> Yogiz wrote: >Thank you for this. Mokomaze looks and feels extremely polished. Thanks for a nice words. >I have one recommendation to you. When you keep improving the game, do >not change the basic gameplay. Actually, I am following this way. I am sure that the game itself is more important than a tons of statistic and sub-menus: just launch the game and start playing. So, if the feature of showing information about level time and retries count will be added, it will be optional. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2778417.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From qmaster at rambler.ru Sun May 3 20:14:02 2009 From: qmaster at rambler.ru (Vladimir Berezenko) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 21:14:02 +0300 Subject: Tasks Client for FR In-Reply-To: <1241056459885-2744620.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3af1ca186c.6bd73b8d@pop3.rambler.ru> On 29/04/2009, c_c wrote: c> Hi, c> I've released a task client based on elementary and sqlite3. See [1]. c> The db should make it easy to write a sync app - once the modality to c> sync is clear. I'm looking at opensync - but any other method should be c> fine. c> [1] c> http://n2.nabble.com/NEW-e-tasks-Alpha-release-td2740524ef1958.html I haven't yet looked over it. Does it have an interface to add tasks from other apps (e.x. PIM birthdays)? Regards From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Sun May 3 19:50:41 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 19:50:41 +0200 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <1241335480036-2776801.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905022023.01387.tanuva@gmail.com> <1241335480036-2776801.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 09:24, ANT wrote: > P.S. I think 'CPU' must be requested too. No, when you requests Display, device doesn't suspend too. From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Sun May 3 20:31:18 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 20:31:18 +0200 Subject: Will my phone buzz? In-Reply-To: <84d4aqwp1h.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <49FD328F.5070209@shemesh.biz> <84d4aqwp1h.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:47, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > If it says 0305 you have V5 and need a fix. You're wrong. GTA02A5 and GTA02A6 don't differ regarding buzz. Now only A7 and A8 differs. From matter at abmaco.info Sun May 3 20:42:16 2009 From: matter at abmaco.info (Adrian Matter) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 20:42:16 +0200 Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: <49FDCF25.8080808@nlpagan.net> References: <1241092741.4305.21.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9A084.301@ferrieres.org> <1241098126.4928.6.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9B7B9.4000300@techworks.ie> <1241102922.4928.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FCBD4A.5050600@web.de> <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> <49FD804B.9090003@techworks.ie> <49FD97F2.508@techworks.ie> <49FDCF25.8080808@nlpagan.net> Message-ID: <49FDE588.6010106@abmaco.info> Hello, I'm interested as well in anThe SC021. Adrian Paul schrieb: > jeremy jozwik wrote: > >> those are pritty awesome >> >> > > Definitely! I wonder what one of those would cost including shipping to > the Netherlands. The SC021 looks like a sweet deal. > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- - - - - A - B - S - E - N - D - E - R - : - - - - Adrian Matter-Cottini Badweg 25 CH-5040 Sch?ftland Fon: ++41 (0)62 721 03 14 / ++41 (0)32 512 94 85 [VoIP] Mobile: ++41 (0)76 542 18 71 Email: mailto:matter at abmaco.info From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Sun May 3 21:10:39 2009 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 22:10:39 +0300 Subject: Will my phone buzz? In-Reply-To: (Johny Tenfinger's message of "Sun, 3 May 2009 20:31:18 +0200") References: <49FD328F.5070209@shemesh.biz> <84d4aqwp1h.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <84d4aquhn4.fsf@sauna.l.org> Johny Tenfinger writes: > On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:47, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: >> If it says 0305 you have V5 and need a fix. > > You're wrong. GTA02A5 and GTA02A6 don't differ regarding buzz. Now > only A7 and A8 differs. I didn't say A6 would not need a fix, only that A5 needs one :-) From vanous at penguin.cz Sun May 3 21:47:03 2009 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 21:47:03 +0200 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905022023.01387.tanuva@gmail.com> <1241335480036-2776801.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20090503214703.13a61cca@penguin.cz> On Sun, 3 May 2009 00:24:40 -0700 (PDT) ANT (A) wrote: > >Johny Tenfinger >>>Much better to prevent screen dimming that mdbus is dbus-send: > >Thanks! I'll renew the instructions. >P.S. I think 'CPU' must be requested too. > it would make a lot of sense to prevent dimming only if the game is active - ball rolling - as one might just stop playing and keep it run (receiving a call and then forgetting) and then accidentally drain battery... yes, in a vehicle or in a pocket it would perhaps stay triggered... just a suggestion :) -- Petr Van?k From matthiasfelsche at web.de Sun May 3 22:39:38 2009 From: matthiasfelsche at web.de (matthias) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 22:39:38 +0200 Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: <49FDE588.6010106@abmaco.info> References: <1241092741.4305.21.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9A084.301@ferrieres.org> <1241098126.4928.6.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9B7B9.4000300@techworks.ie> <1241102922.4928.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FCBD4A.5050600@web.de> <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> <49FD804B.9090003@techworks.ie> <49FD97F2.508@techworks.ie> <49FDCF25.8080808@nlpagan.net> <49FDE588.6010106@abmaco.info> Message-ID: <49FE010A.90208@web.de> The SC019 seems the best choice to me: "Rugged metal casing" sounds really great. But the Sc021 is good as well, if getting them depends on a group-order. Matthias Adrian Matter schrieb: > Hello, > > I'm interested as well in anThe SC021. > > Adrian > > Paul schrieb: > >> jeremy jozwik wrote: >> >> >>> those are pritty awesome >>> >>> >>> >> Definitely! I wonder what one of those would cost including shipping to >> the Netherlands. The SC021 looks like a sweet deal. >> >> Paul >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > > From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com Sun May 3 22:44:54 2009 From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 22:44:54 +0200 Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: <49FE010A.90208@web.de> References: <1241102922.4928.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FCBD4A.5050600@web.de> <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> <49FD804B.9090003@techworks.ie> <49FD97F2.508@techworks.ie> <49FDCF25.8080808@nlpagan.net> <49FDE588.6010106@abmaco.info> <49FE010A.90208@web.de> Message-ID: On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, matthias wrote: > The SC019 seems the best choice to me: "Rugged metal casing" sounds > really great. And magnetic case closing. Pretty sweet. Laszlo From rdmyers.42 at gmail.com Sun May 3 22:46:18 2009 From: rdmyers.42 at gmail.com (RodM) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 13:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Network Management Message-ID: <1241383578929-2782552.post@n2.nabble.com> I just changed from my OM, to a Palm Centro, Networking sucks, always had a difficult time getting a reliable connection. In contrast, the Palm Centro, was strictly plug-and-play. Once that happens, I will bring my OM out of the box, and start utilizing it again. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Network-Management-tp2782552p2782552.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From hariseldon78 at gmail.com Sun May 3 22:55:28 2009 From: hariseldon78 at gmail.com (roby) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 22:55:28 +0200 Subject: Network Management In-Reply-To: <1241383578929-2782552.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241383578929-2782552.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:46 PM, RodM wrote: > Once that happens, I will bring my OM out of the box, and start utilizing it > again. you won't know when that happens, leaving it in the box... -- just joking, no flame -- -- roby From rod_myers at fastmail.fm Sun May 3 23:12:23 2009 From: rod_myers at fastmail.fm (Rodney D. Myers) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 14:12:23 -0700 Subject: Network Management In-Reply-To: References: <1241383578929-2782552.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On May 3, 2009, at 1:55 PM, roby wrote: > On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:46 PM, RodM wrote: >> Once that happens, I will bring my OM out of the box, and start >> utilizing it >> again. > you won't know when that happens, leaving it in the box... > > -- just joking, no flame -- > -- > roby Which is fine as well. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 203 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090503/0920f5d2/attachment.pgp From rask at sygehus.dk Sun May 3 23:15:38 2009 From: rask at sygehus.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 23:15:38 +0200 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Forcing fast-charge In-Reply-To: <200905020330.17602.joerg@openmoko.org> References: <1240063519.4045.2.camel@toaster-desktop> <200904281536.27028.joerg@openmoko.org> <200905020330.17602.joerg@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <20090503211538.GZ27350@sygehus.dk> On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 03:30:10AM +0200, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > Am Mi 29. April 2009 schrieb C?dric Berger: > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 15:36, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > > > > > That's nonsense as there is no dumb charger out there not being capable of > > > supplying 500mA. OTOH any management of maximum ingress current to USB by > > > whatever means will inevitably fail when unplugging the charger device > > > connected to FR during powerdown and replace it with a (nonexistent) > > > weaker one. No. For better or for worse, the PCF50633 variant we use will power up the Frerunner and thus run the boot loader when you swap chargers. If the boot loader doesn't set the current limit correctly for the newly inserted charger, then that's where the bug is. TODO: Check U-Boot and Qi. (Long term TODO: Instead of fixing each and every bug three times (kernel, U-Boot and Qi), try to fit a bare-bones kernel and rootfs with boot menu into the 512 kB we currently use for boot loader.) > > Or a solar panel ? > How could setting BAT_CURLIM to USB_CURLIM help? Because USB_CURLIM is reset to 500 mA when the Freerunner is turned off, while BAT_CURLIM remains at what it was last set to. > > Or you have 2 phone charging from the same usb port ? > or I'm using the usb extension in my usb-coffemug-warmer? Or create a > shortcircuit? It's not a valid usecase and I don't see how to accomplish > that. Don't tell me you haven't seen one of those 4-port unpowered USB hubs which can only supply 100 mA per port. > > Note than doing this (I used a little GUI with 1 set button for each value), > > I must set usb current limit, then only I set charge current limit. And in > > the meanwhile, since charge limit=usb limit=1A, it starts pulling about 1A > > and I cannot avoid that. > Sorry I don't understand this statement. The problem is when you use e.g. a 750 mAh Nokia battery and set chg_curlim to 750 mA like you're supposed to. If you then plug in the charger, usb_curlim will be set to 1000 mA and so will chg_curlim. Automatically setting chg_curlim to 1000 mA is a bug since the user said max 750 mA for the battery. The kernel needs to remember the user specified chg_curlim. TODO: Kernel patch. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year From rask at sygehus.dk Mon May 4 00:36:20 2009 From: rask at sygehus.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 00:36:20 +0200 Subject: [SHR-unstable]Blinking AUX button LED In-Reply-To: <847i12z309.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <26fea52c0904291034k6f07e132se91ee81884e0bb99@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80904291142v67c59c6flfce0bff0b5316611@mail.gmail.com> <84ws93yv3h.fsf@sauna.l.org> <18db98c80904300125v94ec347j4df0f343a4255366@mail.gmail.com> <84r5zazf51.fsf@sauna.l.org> <18db98c80904300214s7b38a933tf74776507ecfc65c@mail.gmail.com> <20090430135745.17972k6kkyp6ws3t@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <847i12z309.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <20090503223620.GA27350@sygehus.dk> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 04:26:30PM +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > Vasco N?voa writes: > > Possible errors that lead to that situation: > > - bad rootfs kernel parameters in u-boot environment; ->?check if you need to change them; > > This can't surely cause missing filesystem support? It can if you no longer have the correct mtdparts option. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year From vendion at gmail.com Sun May 3 23:58:35 2009 From: vendion at gmail.com (Adam Jimerson) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 17:58:35 -0400 Subject: what happened to shr-testing? In-Reply-To: <200905011103.04361.mok@mnet-online.de> References: <2f3aa2770905010032t2b871c62p468a1971221fbfdb@mail.gmail.com> <200905011103.04361.mok@mnet-online.de> Message-ID: <200905031758.40466.vendion@charter.net> On Friday 01 May 2009 05:03:03 am Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: > > sorry... I just announced it on shr-user and not here. > > Something went wrong with the testing build, so I moved it to -bad. To not > break mokos out in the wild. > > see announcement here: > http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-user/2009-April/000027.html > Has the shr-testing repos been restored, or better asked has this problem been fixed? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090503/cca8e10e/attachment.pgp From billk at iinet.net.au Mon May 4 04:20:49 2009 From: billk at iinet.net.au (W.Kenworthy) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 10:20:49 +0800 Subject: Time from the calypso chipset In-Reply-To: <200905011430.45298.mickey@vanille-media.de> References: <1241168704.19910.53.camel@bunyip.localdomain> <200905011430.45298.mickey@vanille-media.de> Message-ID: <1241403649.32669.6.camel@bunyip.localdomain> Just some further info to this: I was hoping to use the time from the SIM as a reference to keep a check on the FR time which is rarely correct, often being at least a few minutes out, and sometimes days/years out after a crash unless I notice it. Unfortunately, once you set the SIM time, it loses time at a fairly fast rate so thats not an option :( Billk On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 14:30 +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > Hi Bill, > > > Can read the chipset time, but cant seem to set it (from mickyterm). > > Tried lots of variations, and from what googling finds it *should* work, > > but doesnt. Is there something I am missing? (using moko11 firmware) > > > > OK > > AT+CCLK? > > AT+CCLK? > > +CCLK: "0/1/1,0:0:14" > > > > OK > > AT+CCLK="00/01/01,1:0:15" > > AT+CCLK="00/01/01,1:0:15" > > ERROR > > AT+CCLK="0/1/1,1:0:15" > > AT+CCLK="0/1/1,1:0:15" > > ERROR > > Welcome to the wonderful world of standards compliance *cough*. Getting the > time from the modem has just recently been implemented in frameworkd as per > http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=commitdiff;h=633ffc7bb9bbfc25ff4142d9291af00afbbd4fad;hp=1d4a6f96edf56531c891533bb7e704e2c950943b > > The fun thing is you need to give the UTC offset in the set command, although > the Calypso does not honor it and won't report it back. So if you want to do > it manually, do it like that: > > <----------- Mickey's Term V2.9.1 @ /dev/pts/3 -----------> > AT-Command Interpreter ready > > OK > at+cclk? > > +CCLK: "0/1/1,0:0:9" > > OK > at+cclk="09/04/01,14:30:00+00" > > OK > at+cclk? > > +CCLK: "9/4/1,14:30:3" > > OK > > Cheers, > > :M: > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From previdi.roberto at gmail.com Mon May 4 05:12:42 2009 From: previdi.roberto at gmail.com (Previdi Roberto) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 05:12:42 +0200 Subject: scripta Message-ID: hello list. I'm proud to present you my creation: scripta. you can see some screenshots here. Sorry,i know they are and fat ugly but my gimp is broken... scripta is a bash application which uses zenity as interface. It allows to easily run, create, modify and organize many little/middle size bash scripts. I already provided some scripts to use opkg, and some others mainly for testing purposes. The opkg install script is incomplete so don't use it, or edit it if you want to give a try. you can get the package here: http://repo.or.cz/w/scripta.git you can clone the git tree or just download the .tar.gz of the latest snapshot. to run it enter the package dir and execute ./scripta The package is nearly untested, even though it don't crash on my pc and don't do nasty things. I suggest to try it on your pc before, learning a bit to use it and then put it on the om. This is because writing and modifying scripts is possible but surely not handy on the neo. If somebody wants to provide an icon and/or some scripts or suggestions please contact me or this thread ps. read the scripts that you execute, there is no "safety measure" at all (yet) -- roby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090504/1dad8bbb/attachment.htm From vanous at penguin.cz Mon May 4 06:48:55 2009 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 06:48:55 +0200 Subject: what happened to shr-testing? References: <2f3aa2770905010032t2b871c62p468a1971221fbfdb@mail.gmail.com> <200905011103.04361.mok@mnet-online.de> <200905031758.40466.vendion@charter.net> Message-ID: <20090504064855.5969c069@penguin.cz> On Sun, 3 May 2009 17:58:35 -0400 Adam Jimerson (AJ) wrote: >On Friday 01 May 2009 05:03:03 am Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: >> >> sorry... I just announced it on shr-user and not here. >> >> Something went wrong with the testing build, so I moved it to -bad. >> To not break mokos out in the wild. >> >> see announcement here: >> http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-user/2009-April/000027.html >> > >Has the shr-testing repos been restored, or better asked has this >problem been fixed? > > yes, it's working now again. you need to reflash, opkg upgrade wont work. -- Petr Van?k From ant007h at gmail.com Mon May 4 07:05:56 2009 From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 22:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mokomaze] Two bugreports and a feature-request (was: Re: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released) In-Reply-To: <1241384679627-2782990.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905022023.01387.tanuva@gmail.com> <1241384679627-2782990.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1241413556692-2785659.post@n2.nabble.com> neovento wrote: >>Can you fix this soon? That would be really great. :) I am trying to prevent ode's (debian sid) asserts, but no luck. Code of the game is correct. I've surfed the web and all recommends to recompile ode with --enable-release if that assert appears. I've found it was ./configure'd with --enable-double-precision and without --disable-debug, so the problem is in one of this flags. Anyway if some coding trick will be found to avoid the problem, Double Precision will drop the performance. Currently, install libode0debian1 from stable and have a fun. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2785659.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From yogizz at gmail.com Mon May 4 07:42:33 2009 From: yogizz at gmail.com (Yogiz) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 08:42:33 +0300 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <20090503214703.13a61cca@penguin.cz> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905022023.01387.tanuva@gmail.com> <1241335480036-2776801.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090503214703.13a61cca@penguin.cz> Message-ID: <20090504084233.674528b9@blunt.home> Introducing an "idle mode" just for that seems like too much work. It would seem more reasonable to unregister from the Display resource when the game is paused (click on screen as it is now) and reregistered when resumed. I would also suggest an auto-pause when incoming call is detected. Yogiz On Sun, 3 May 2009 21:47:03 +0200 Petr Vanek wrote: > it would make a lot of sense to prevent dimming only if the game is > active - ball rolling - as one might just stop playing and keep it run > (receiving a call and then forgetting) and then accidentally drain > battery... yes, in a vehicle or in a pocket it would perhaps stay > triggered... just a suggestion :) From yogizz at gmail.com Mon May 4 07:48:11 2009 From: yogizz at gmail.com (Yogiz) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 08:48:11 +0300 Subject: Network Management In-Reply-To: References: <1241383578929-2782552.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20090504084811.3633ef08@blunt.home> On Sun, 3 May 2009 14:12:23 -0700 "Rodney D. Myers" wrote: > On May 3, 2009, at 1:55 PM, roby wrote: > > > On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:46 PM, RodM wrote: > >> Once that happens, I will bring my OM out of the box, and start > >> utilizing it > >> again. > > you won't know when that happens, leaving it in the box... > > > > -- just joking, no flame -- > > -- > > roby > > Which is fine as well. What do you want plug-and played? Usb connection? Wifi? GPRS? It all seems like simple scripting when using the framework. I mostly only use Wifi and it wasn't too hard to make a shortcut on the desktop that turns on wifi and connects to preferred AP, if one doesn't exist then a free AP with the best connection quality and if that does not exist, flash the led so I know no APs are available. I'm not sure it could be made any more easier so with what exactly are you having problems with? Yogiz From paul at nlpagan.net Mon May 4 07:59:10 2009 From: paul at nlpagan.net (Paul) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 07:59:10 +0200 Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: <49FE010A.90208@web.de> References: <1241092741.4305.21.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9A084.301@ferrieres.org> <1241098126.4928.6.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9B7B9.4000300@techworks.ie> <1241102922.4928.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FCBD4A.5050600@web.de> <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> <49FD804B.9090003@techworks.ie> <49FD97F2.508@techworks.ie> <49FDCF25.8080808@nlpagan.net> <49FDE588.6010106@abmaco.info> <49FE010A.90208@web.de> Message-ID: <49FE842E.4000000@nlpagan.net> matthias wrote: > The SC019 seems the best choice to me: "Rugged metal casing" sounds > really great. > But the Sc021 is good as well, if getting them depends on a group-order. > I could live with the SC019 as well. I hope someone's keeping a scorelist. :-) Paul > Adrian Matter schrieb: > >> Hello, >> >> I'm interested as well in anThe SC021. >> >> Adrian >>> >>>> those are pritty awesome >>>> >>> Definitely! I wonder what one of those would cost including shipping to >>> the Netherlands. The SC021 looks like a sweet deal. >>> >>> Paul >>> -- A life lived in chaos is an impossibility... -Madeleine L'Engle http://www.nlpagan.net MHC - Mandriva 2009.0, Ubuntu 9.04 & Netbook Remix (Before printing this mail: consider the environment!) From kimaidou at gmail.com Mon May 4 09:57:59 2009 From: kimaidou at gmail.com (kimaidou) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 09:57:59 +0200 Subject: Network Management In-Reply-To: <20090504084811.3633ef08@blunt.home> References: <1241383578929-2782552.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090504084811.3633ef08@blunt.home> Message-ID: <40cd9ce40905040057g151bf374g6db94dbcfa74d2f3@mail.gmail.com> @ Yozig : I partially agree with you, but...hey ! The best would be to share your little scripts for people who cannot understand scripts (or english) easily enough to make a proper one :D I know the wiki has a lot of information, but it is hard to understand all the things (especially for networking). For example, I can just dummly copy/paste the scripts, but I understand nothing about netmasks, masquerade and everything. I know "we" can learn, but some guys have less time ans learning skills than others Cheers Kimaidou 2009/5/4 Yogiz > On Sun, 3 May 2009 14:12:23 -0700 > "Rodney D. Myers" wrote: > > > On May 3, 2009, at 1:55 PM, roby wrote: > > > > > On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:46 PM, RodM wrote: > > >> Once that happens, I will bring my OM out of the box, and start > > >> utilizing it > > >> again. > > > you won't know when that happens, leaving it in the box... > > > > > > -- just joking, no flame -- > > > -- > > > roby > > > > Which is fine as well. > > What do you want plug-and played? Usb connection? Wifi? GPRS? It all > seems like simple scripting when using the framework. I mostly only use > Wifi and it wasn't too hard to make a shortcut on the desktop that > turns on wifi and connects to preferred AP, if one doesn't exist then a > free AP with the best connection quality and if that does not exist, > flash the led so I know no APs are available. I'm not sure it could be > made any more easier so with what exactly are you having problems with? > > Yogiz > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But just about usb_limit : 2009/5/2 Joerg Reisenweber > No you have to push USB_CURLIM to >500mA, if you want >500mA. > [... ] > > This way I have about 700-750mA pulled from my charger (though it can > peak > > to 1A as needed). > What's the rationale behind that? > If you set USB_CURLIM to 750mA you get exactly the same behaviour without > the > useless "when needed" part. > > As far as I know, 750mA is not an option for usb_curlim. (only 100, 500 and 1000 I think) Anyway, bat_curlim allows more precise control. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090504/8c85577c/attachment.htm From shachar at shemesh.biz Mon May 4 12:04:34 2009 From: shachar at shemesh.biz (Shachar Shemesh) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 13:04:34 +0300 Subject: Will my phone buzz? In-Reply-To: References: <49FD328F.5070209@shemesh.biz> <84d4aqwp1h.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <49FEBDB2.5060306@shemesh.biz> Johny Tenfinger wrote: > On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:47, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > >> If it says 0305 you have V5 and need a fix. >> > > You're wrong. GTA02A5 and GTA02A6 don't differ regarding buzz. Now > only A7 and A8 differs. > Assuming I need the fix, where do I get the right capacitor? Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting Ltd. http://www.lingnu.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090504/0bb7e1ee/attachment.htm From giacomomariani at yahoo.it Mon May 4 12:57:34 2009 From: giacomomariani at yahoo.it (giacomo "giotti" mariani) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 12:57:34 +0200 Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49FECA1E.70307@yahoo.it> Ciao, your work is great, as always. I'd like to ask to all of you involved in QtEI development: what do you think about something like a stable QtEI.tar.gz+kernel ready for the FLASH (and/or SD card) memory? -- /_\ The ASCII Per comunicare in modo riservato: \_/ Ribbon Campaign gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net \ X Against HTML --recv-keys 20611EAD /_\ Email! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From liedekef at telenet.be Mon May 4 13:21:15 2009 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 13:21:15 +0200 Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 11 In-Reply-To: <49FECA1E.70307@yahoo.it> References: <49FECA1E.70307@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <60567dcc0905040421y1e65cbacuc9b9a6efdaf5082@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 12:57 PM, giacomo "giotti" mariani wrote: > Ciao, > your work is great, as always. > I'd like to ask to all of you involved in QtEI development: what do you > think about something like a stable QtEI.tar.gz+kernel ready ?for the > FLASH (and/or SD card) memory? sure, when you can find me a stable and working kernel :-) For now I'm still on a kernel from April 4th, all newer kernels seem to have some kind of issue (not unsuspending correctly ater some time, WSOD, no wifi, ...) so for now I'm on an unstable kernel that is much more stable than newer kernels :-) But seriously, some issues still remain to be fixed before we can release a "stable" QtE version: * contact management: - I don't like it when SIM contacts get merged invisible, so I want SIM contact import to be optional (and maybe also a SIM export should exist as option) - the building of the contact list is slow (because of too many SQL statements) * bluetooth: 2.6.28 kernels like bluez4, QtE doesn't ... * keyboard: now that the keyboard prediction can be turned off, it is already much more usable, but still needs a lot of "dragging left/right/up/down" to make a real sentence with punctuation and stuff. So some extra buttons and rearranging of existing ones would be nice ... I'm still calling for help in any and all of these matters ... Franky From dscaini at gmail.com Mon May 4 13:47:48 2009 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 13:47:48 +0200 Subject: [SHR-unstable]Blinking AUX button LED In-Reply-To: <20090503223620.GA27350@sygehus.dk> References: <26fea52c0904291034k6f07e132se91ee81884e0bb99@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80904291142v67c59c6flfce0bff0b5316611@mail.gmail.com> <84ws93yv3h.fsf@sauna.l.org> <18db98c80904300125v94ec347j4df0f343a4255366@mail.gmail.com> <84r5zazf51.fsf@sauna.l.org> <18db98c80904300214s7b38a933tf74776507ecfc65c@mail.gmail.com> <20090430135745.17972k6kkyp6ws3t@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <847i12z309.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20090503223620.GA27350@sygehus.dk> Message-ID: <18db98c80905040447h3f916c74tf6b6a36bba075f6e@mail.gmail.com> i reflashed u-boot and kernel, now i can boot, but the new kernel is affected of this strange bug of no wifi anymore... do you have any idea where i can find the "old" shr 2.6.28? thanks (i mainly use the fr as a net-pocketPc). d On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote: > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 04:26:30PM +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > > Vasco N?voa writes: > > > Possible errors that lead to that situation: > > > - bad rootfs kernel parameters in u-boot environment; -> check if you > need to change them; > > > > This can't surely cause missing filesystem support? > > It can if you no longer have the correct mtdparts option. > > -- > Rask Ingemann Lambertsen > Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090504/16fccfe5/attachment.htm From KichKasch at gmx.de Mon May 4 13:53:57 2009 From: KichKasch at gmx.de (Michael Pilgermann) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 13:53:57 +0200 Subject: PISI 0.2 released In-Reply-To: <9e7398030905030409q2d4a4e70x9d6e421e416daebd@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090407090749.98220@gmx.net> <49FCD52B.7070000@gmx.de> <9e7398030905030409q2d4a4e70x9d6e421e416daebd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090504115357.15970@gmx.net> -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Sun, 3 May 2009 13:09:11 +0200 > Von: Richy > An: List for Openmoko community discussion > Betreff: Re: PISI 0.2 released > I tried this on shr-testing but I get: > > root at om-gta02 ~/.pisi $ pisigui > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/bin/pisigui", line 31, in > > import pisi > > File "/opt/pisi/pisi.py", line 31, in > > from events import events, eventsSync > > File "/opt/pisi/events/events.py", line 22, in > > import vobject > > ImportError: No module named vobject > > > > Maybe this is python-2.6 related? Absolutely. The packages I assembled for vobject (you used the one from opkg.org?) have static links to the python 2.5 site-package folder inside. For testing purposes you might move them (under /usr/lib/python ...); I have to sort this out by assembling the dependend packages properly. From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Mon May 4 14:06:55 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 14:06:55 +0200 Subject: Network Management In-Reply-To: <40cd9ce40905040057g151bf374g6db94dbcfa74d2f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <1241383578929-2782552.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090504084811.3633ef08@blunt.home> <40cd9ce40905040057g151bf374g6db94dbcfa74d2f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 09:57, kimaidou wrote: > For example, I can just dummly > copy/paste the scripts, but I understand nothing about netmasks, masquerade > and everything. I wrote WiFi manager for SHR without any special knowledge about netmasks, masquerade and everything :P It is in shr-settings playground directory and it uses connman. Nothing difficult, trust me :P From lida_mail at 163.com Mon May 4 14:32:56 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 20:32:56 +0800 Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: <1241311345.8395.9.camel@daniel-laptop> References: <49F314F6.7080909@techworks.ie> <1240669817.15742.0.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F33389.5050408@techworks.ie> <1241092741.4305.21.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9A084.301@ferrieres.org> <1241098126.4928.6.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9B7B9.4000300@techworks.ie> <1241102922.4928.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FCBD4A.5050600@web.de> <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> <1241311345.8395.9.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: <1241440377.4551.4.camel@daniel-laptop> On Sun, 2009-05-03 at 08:42 +0800, Daniel.Li wrote: > :) Humm... I think I'd better let them to make a bid for small > quantity. :D YL-S03 High solar energy convert efficiency: over than 16% Solar energy board: 5.5V/80mA Dimension: 95?43?11.5mm High capacity build in battery: 1350mAH/3.7V \ Output voltage: DC 5.5?0.2V Input voltage: DC 5.0-5.5V Output current: 700mA max Input current: 800mA max Weight: about 55g charging time: about 3.5 hours (by computer) about 15-20hours(by sunlight) Running time: about 1.1hours (discharging in max.700mA) -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From kazer at altern.org Mon May 4 14:57:29 2009 From: kazer at altern.org (KaZeR) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 05:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: little today app for shr In-Reply-To: References: <1241219070.13954.18.camel@localhost> <5CB52338-B3B6-40E0-A866-D096206CC2DB@gmail.com> <1241274097.21157.1.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1241441849943-2787120.post@n2.nabble.com> The Digital Pioneer wrote: > > Yeah, I was afraid that would be the case. No matter, when I reject a > call, > it's easy enough to close the missed call message. If you ever find a way > to > do it, though, perhaps a config option is in order. > Maybe it's worth asking FSO for a different event? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/little-today-app-for-shr-tp2757153p2787120.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From leonardo at lilik.it Mon May 4 15:01:36 2009 From: leonardo at lilik.it (leonardo) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 15:01:36 +0200 Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 11 In-Reply-To: <60567dcc0905040421y1e65cbacuc9b9a6efdaf5082@mail.gmail.com> References: <49FECA1E.70307@yahoo.it> <60567dcc0905040421y1e65cbacuc9b9a6efdaf5082@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49FEE730.7070508@lilik.it> Franky Van Liedekerke ha scritto: > * contact management: > - I don't like it when SIM contacts get merged invisible, so I want > SIM contact import to be optional (and maybe also a SIM export should > exist as option) > - the building of the contact list is slow (because of too many SQL > statements) > * bluetooth: 2.6.28 kernels like bluez4, QtE doesn't ... > * keyboard: now that the keyboard prediction can be turned off, it is > already much more usable, but still needs a lot of "dragging > left/right/up/down" to make a real sentence with punctuation and > stuff. So some extra buttons and rearranging of existing ones would be > nice ... Moro Franky, there is another issue that drives me crazy sometimes. If you have two numbers for the same person and you want to send an SMS you have to choose the person from the contact list before you write the SMS. Else, when you chose the person from the list it automatically gets chosen the first one (which in general is the home number...). It is really annoying because you write the whole SMS and then you throw it away because you can't choose the number. This is a regression from Qtopia where it was possible to choose among the addresses. It's in my to-do list after the visual feedback on the keyboard. ciao, leonardo. -- http://leonardo.lilik.it Key fingerprint = 2C20 A587 05AC 42E5 1292 D0D4 3EED CFB5 52FD AD1E From lida_mail at 163.com Mon May 4 15:14:22 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 21:14:22 +0800 Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: <1241440377.4551.4.camel@daniel-laptop> References: <49F314F6.7080909@techworks.ie> <1240669817.15742.0.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F33389.5050408@techworks.ie> <1241092741.4305.21.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9A084.301@ferrieres.org> <1241098126.4928.6.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9B7B9.4000300@techworks.ie> <1241102922.4928.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FCBD4A.5050600@web.de> <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> <1241311345.8395.9.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241440377.4551.4.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: <1241442862.4551.7.camel@daniel-laptop> On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 20:32 +0800, Daniel.Li wrote: > On Sun, 2009-05-03 at 08:42 +0800, Daniel.Li wrote: > > :) Humm... I think I'd better let them to make a bid for small > > quantity. :D > Sorry, I slipped. latest news from factory. YL-S01: 26.47 USD YL-S02: 20.59 USD YL-S03: 10.00 USD YL-S01 High solar energy of Single crystal silicon or polycrystalline silicon convert efficiency is over than 16% Solar energy board?DC5.0V/300mA Built-in rechargeable lithium polymer battery: 2400mAh/3.7V Input Voltage:DC5.0V-5.5V Input current: 800mA Max. Output Voltage: 5.5V,8.4V Output current: 700mA Max. Dimension: 138 mm?79mm?25 mm Peak power supplied by photocell:1.5 W charging time: about 6hours (by computer) about 8-12hours(by sunlight) Running time: about 2hours (discharging in 700mA) YL-S02 High solar energy of Single crystal silicon or polycrystalline silicon convert efficiency is over than 16% Solar energy board?DC5.0V/300mA Built-in rechargeable lithium polymer battery?1800mAh/3.7V Input Voltage?DC5.0V-5.5V Input current: 800mA Max. Output Voltage:DC5.5V?0.2V(unload) Output current: 700mA Max. Dimension?138 mm?79mm?25 mm Peak power supplied by photocell:1.5 W charging time: about 4.5 hours (by computer) about 6-10hours(by sunlight) Running time: about1.6hours (discharging in 700mA) YL-S03 High solar energy convert efficiency: over than 16% Solar energy board: 5.5V/80mA Dimension: 95?43?11.5mm High capacity build in battery: 1350mAH/3.7V \ Output voltage: DC 5.5?0.2V Input voltage: DC 5.0-5.5V Output current: 700mA max Input current: 800mA max Weight: about 55g charging time: about 3.5 hours (by computer) about 15-20hours(by sunlight) Running time: about 1.1hours (discharging in max.700mA) > > -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From monto84 at gmail.com Mon May 4 15:42:55 2009 From: monto84 at gmail.com (Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 15:42:55 +0200 Subject: little today app for shr In-Reply-To: <1241441849943-2787120.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241219070.13954.18.camel@localhost> <5CB52338-B3B6-40E0-A866-D096206CC2DB@gmail.com> <1241274097.21157.1.camel@localhost> <1241441849943-2787120.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1241444575.1791.3.camel@localhost> Il giorno lun, 04/05/2009 alle 05.57 -0700, KaZeR ha scritto: > > > The Digital Pioneer wrote: > > > > Yeah, I was afraid that would be the case. No matter, when I reject a > > call, > > it's easy enough to close the missed call message. If you ever find a way > > to > > do it, though, perhaps a config option is in order. > > > > > Maybe it's worth asking FSO for a different event? well, a new version is out but now it's also included in shr feeds, it fixes the dirty bad startup script. It should be a good idea that the phone-gui will emit a dbus signal that show the rejected call, but actually i don't know. Bye Pietro From yogizz at gmail.com Mon May 4 15:54:12 2009 From: yogizz at gmail.com (Yogiz) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:54:12 +0300 Subject: SHR-testing 2009-05-02 broken? Message-ID: <20090504165412.69eec0d4@blunt.home> Hi. I reflashed SHR anew today using the following files: kernel: uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0e5fe639e234cdeb11d8441f19c5b3109a8b6a17-r2-om-gta02.bin rootfs: openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090502-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 When I boot for the first time, I get the message that there was an error loading the connman module and asking to disable it. The broken part seems to be the shutdown menu. When I press the power button or "X" from the top menu, I don't get the menu but a black vertical line about 1 px wide which disappears once I click anywhere on the screen. I upgraded to unstable but the problem is still there. Can anyone confirm or suggest something? From mok at mnet-online.de Mon May 4 16:02:51 2009 From: mok at mnet-online.de (Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:02:51 +0200 Subject: SHR-testing 2009-05-02 broken? In-Reply-To: <20090504165412.69eec0d4@blunt.home> References: <20090504165412.69eec0d4@blunt.home> Message-ID: <200905041602.52238.mok@mnet-online.de> Am Montag 04 Mai 2009 15:54:12 schrieb Yogiz: > Hi. > > I reflashed SHR anew today using the following files: > > kernel: > uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0e5fe639e234cdeb11d8441f19c5b3109a8b6a17-r2-om-gta >02.bin > > rootfs: > openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090502-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 > > When I boot for the first time, I get the message that there was an > error loading the connman module and asking to disable it. The broken > part seems to be the shutdown menu. When I press the power button or > "X" from the top menu, I don't get the menu but a black vertical line > about 1 px wide which disappears once I click anywhere on the screen. Those are two different issues. The connman module is blacklisted by enlightenment upstream, because it needs adjustment to dbus API changes in connman. Would not work (and did not work) anyway. We will try to get rid of that error on first startup, but it is safe to just click on remove. The shutdown menu is another issue... it broke by changes in enlightenment and needs fixing there. I was told somebody is working on it... > > I upgraded to unstable but the problem is still there. Can anyone > confirm or suggest something? Well... upgrading from testing to unstable won't bring you a new enlightenment, because at this moment the enlightenment in testing is newer than the one in unstable (which will change soon now)... Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann From david at garabana.com Mon May 4 16:07:37 2009 From: david at garabana.com (David Garabana Barro) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:07:37 +0200 Subject: SHR-testing 2009-05-02 broken? In-Reply-To: <20090504165412.69eec0d4@blunt.home> References: <20090504165412.69eec0d4@blunt.home> Message-ID: <200905041607.38364.david@garabana.com> On Monday 04 May 2009 15:54:12 Yogiz wrote: > When I boot for the first time, I get the message that there was an > error loading the connman module and asking to disable it. The broken > part seems to be the shutdown menu. When I press the power button or > "X" from the top menu, I don't get the menu but a black vertical line > about 1 px wide which disappears once I click anywhere on the screen. > > I upgraded to unstable but the problem is still there. Can anyone > confirm or suggest something? Quoted from SHR mailist: Ok, a completely new and rebuilt from scratch shr-testing is up. So far it seems to work nicely... apart from one little (and important) defect. The illume system menu is broken. It has a width of one pixel only... which makes hitting the correct button quite difficult :P It came with the update to a newer version of the e windowing system and is being worked on. To shut down your FR without that menu... just press the Power button for some seconds and it will shut down nicely. Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann From timo.scheffler at uni-oldenburg.de Mon May 4 16:11:30 2009 From: timo.scheffler at uni-oldenburg.de (Timo Scheffler) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 16:11:30 +0200 Subject: EDJE key-pressed events from textblocks? Message-ID: <49FEF792.6080004@uni-oldenburg.de> Hi! I modified the zhone-app (I made an extra-style with small font to show all 160 chars at sms-input) but now I wanted to see how many chars I already have entered. Is there a key-pressed-event or some other way to count the chars enteres in the zhone-text-edit - edc? It uses the textblock-part from EDJE and I am correct to assume, that it's a direct text-input (without the python-script handling the pressed keys?). It's just a minor question, but I think it's nice to know how many chars are left. (Or do you have another simple and fingerfriendly programm that has zhone's abilities that I could use instead?) Timo From yogizz at gmail.com Mon May 4 16:11:49 2009 From: yogizz at gmail.com (Yogiz) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 17:11:49 +0300 Subject: SHR-testing 2009-05-02 broken? In-Reply-To: <200905041607.38364.david@garabana.com> References: <20090504165412.69eec0d4@blunt.home> <200905041607.38364.david@garabana.com> Message-ID: <20090504171149.1cdb2e20@blunt.home> Thank you both for the information. I'll use this chance to check out the new Openmoko 2009 testing image and I'll return to SHR once the problem gets sorted out. Yogiz From kazer at altern.org Mon May 4 16:36:48 2009 From: kazer at altern.org (KaZeR) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 07:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: little today app for shr In-Reply-To: <1241444575.1791.3.camel@localhost> References: <1241219070.13954.18.camel@localhost> <5CB52338-B3B6-40E0-A866-D096206CC2DB@gmail.com> <1241274097.21157.1.camel@localhost> <1241441849943-2787120.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241444575.1791.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1241447808199-2787557.post@n2.nabble.com> monto wrote: > > >> Maybe it's worth asking FSO for a different event? > > well, a new version is out but now it's also included in shr feeds, it > fixes the dirty bad startup script. > It should be a good idea that the phone-gui will emit a dbus signal that > show the rejected call, but actually i don't know. > > How did you solve the dirty startup script? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/little-today-app-for-shr-tp2757153p2787557.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nytowl at openmoko.org Mon May 4 16:56:59 2009 From: nytowl at openmoko.org (Angus Ainslie) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 08:56:59 -0600 Subject: SHR-testing 2009-05-02 broken? In-Reply-To: <20090504171149.1cdb2e20@blunt.home> References: <20090504165412.69eec0d4@blunt.home> <200905041607.38364.david@garabana.com> <20090504171149.1cdb2e20@blunt.home> Message-ID: <1241449019.6888.237.camel@alap> On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 17:11 +0300, Yogiz wrote: > Thank you both for the information. I'll use this chance to check out > the new Openmoko 2009 testing image and I'll return to SHR once the > problem gets sorted out. > Om2009 has the same problem as the issue is with e upstream. We are also waiting/looking at a fix. Angus From tanuva at googlemail.com Mon May 4 17:12:22 2009 From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 17:12:22 +0200 Subject: [Mokomaze] Two bugreports and a feature-request (was: Re: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released) In-Reply-To: <1241413556692-2785659.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241384679627-2782990.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241413556692-2785659.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <200905041712.22097.tanuva@gmail.com> Moin. Am Montag, 4. Mai 2009 07:05:56 schrieb ANT: > neovento wrote: > >>Can you fix this soon? That would be really great. :) > > I am trying to prevent ode's (debian sid) asserts, but no luck. Code of > the game is correct. I've surfed the web and all recommends to > recompile ode with --enable-release if that assert appears. I've found > it was ./configure'd with --enable-double-precision and without > --disable-debug, so the problem is in one of this flags. Anyway if some > coding trick will be found to avoid the problem, Double Precision will > drop the performance. Currently, install libode0debian1 from stable and > have a fun. double precision might kill performance on the neo, that's true. But in general it would rather cause internal ODE errors - the asserts should only be affected by disable-debug. So sid's ODE package is kinda useless for us because we need single precision, correct? -- Marcel From cgagneraud at techworks.ie Mon May 4 17:35:50 2009 From: cgagneraud at techworks.ie (Christian Gagneraud) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 16:35:50 +0100 Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: <1241442862.4551.7.camel@daniel-laptop> References: <49F314F6.7080909@techworks.ie> <1240669817.15742.0.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F33389.5050408@techworks.ie> <1241092741.4305.21.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9A084.301@ferrieres.org> <1241098126.4928.6.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9B7B9.4000300@techworks.ie> <1241102922.4928.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FCBD4A.5050600@web.de> <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> <1241311345.8395.9.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241440377.4551.4.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241442862.4551.7.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: <49FF0B56.20507@techworks.ie> Daniel.Li wrote: > On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 20:32 +0800, Daniel.Li wrote: >> On Sun, 2009-05-03 at 08:42 +0800, Daniel.Li wrote: >>> :) Humm... I think I'd better let them to make a bid for small >>> quantity. :D > > Sorry, I slipped. > > latest news from factory. > > YL-S01: 26.47 USD > YL-S02: 20.59 USD > YL-S03: 10.00 USD Hi Daniel, I use to use this kind of solar charger (a YB-E5008) during my last holidays (3 weeks in Iceland, by bike), and i can tell you that they are not suitable for smartphone. I couldn't keep my Nokia N95/8GB charged. When they say that you can charge your solar charger with sun light in 8/12H, it means actually 8/12h exposed under the sun light at its zenith, on the equator of the earth! By experience, i can tell you that you will need _at least_ two sunny days to get it charged properly (during which you took care of orienting the charger as the sun moves). You have to be aware of these constraints as well: - You can't charge your phone while you charge the charger itself - If the charger is not fully charge (the light is not green), it won't charge your phone, _at all_! As well, i would advice to use a charger which has at least 2 times the capacity of your phone (FR has a 3.7V/1200mAh battery). On the 3 chargers you propose here, and the 3 chargers i've proposed earlier, i would be only interested in 2 of them:, the SC019 and the SC020, mainly because these are the only ones which has internal battery with a capacity >= 3000Ah Regards, Chris > > > YL-S01 > High solar energy of Single crystal silicon or polycrystalline silicon convert efficiency is over than 16% > Solar energy board?DC5.0V/300mA > Built-in rechargeable lithium polymer battery: 2400mAh/3.7V > Input Voltage:DC5.0V-5.5V > Input current: 800mA Max. > Output Voltage: 5.5V,8.4V > Output current: 700mA Max. > Dimension: 138 mm?79mm?25 mm > Peak power supplied by photocell:1.5 W > charging time: about 6hours (by computer) > about 8-12hours(by sunlight) > Running time: about 2hours (discharging in 700mA) > > YL-S02 > High solar energy of Single crystal silicon or polycrystalline silicon convert efficiency is over than 16% > Solar energy board?DC5.0V/300mA > Built-in rechargeable lithium polymer battery?1800mAh/3.7V > Input Voltage?DC5.0V-5.5V > Input current: 800mA Max. > Output Voltage:DC5.5V?0.2V(unload) > Output current: 700mA Max. > Dimension?138 mm?79mm?25 mm > Peak power supplied by photocell:1.5 W > charging time: about 4.5 hours (by computer) > about 6-10hours(by sunlight) > Running time: about1.6hours (discharging in 700mA) > > YL-S03 > High solar energy convert efficiency: over than 16% > Solar energy board: 5.5V/80mA > Dimension: 95?43?11.5mm > High capacity build in battery: 1350mAH/3.7V \ > Output voltage: DC 5.5?0.2V > Input voltage: DC 5.0-5.5V > Output current: 700mA max > Input current: 800mA max > Weight: about 55g > charging time: about 3.5 hours (by computer) > about 15-20hours(by sunlight) > Running time: about 1.1hours (discharging in max.700mA) > >> From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Mon May 4 17:36:01 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 10:36:01 -0500 Subject: [Mokomaze] Two bugreports and a feature-request (was: Re: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released) In-Reply-To: <200905041712.22097.tanuva@gmail.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241384679627-2782990.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241413556692-2785659.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905041712.22097.tanuva@gmail.com> Message-ID: I was under the impression that the FR has no FPU at all, so single precision may be better than double, but if you could just do everything in ints, that would be best. Is there any way to pull that off? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090504/c5110b64/attachment.htm From hadroneo at gmail.com Mon May 4 17:40:23 2009 From: hadroneo at gmail.com (hadroneo) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 17:40:23 +0200 Subject: MokoMakefile Message-ID: <20090504174023.101dadde@lepton> Hello, When I try to build the openmoko toolchain with the MokoMakefile I have encountered this error : NOTE: make make: GNUmakefile: Too many levels of symbolic links make: stat: GNUmakefile: Too many levels of symbolic links make: *** No rule to make target `GNUmakefile'. Stop. FATAL: oe_runmake failed in the following package NOTE: package coreutils-native-7.1-r0: task do_compile: started ERROR: function do_compile failed My procedure to build the openmoko toolchain was the following : $ wget http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/Makefile $ make setup $ make fso-gta02-testing-image Nowadays is it possible to build the openmoko toolchain with a MokoMakefile or is it broken. Best Regards, hadroneo. From tanuva at googlemail.com Mon May 4 17:42:30 2009 From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 17:42:30 +0200 Subject: [Mokomaze] Two bugreports and a feature-request (was: Re: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released) In-Reply-To: References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905041712.22097.tanuva@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200905041742.30094.tanuva@gmail.com> Am Montag, 4. Mai 2009 17:36:01 schrieb The Digital Pioneer: > I was under the impression that the FR has no FPU at all, so single > precision may be better than double, but if you could just do > everything in ints, that would be best. Is there any way to pull that > off? Aren't integers "single precision"? If yes, we just have to stick to Debian Lenny's ODE package or build our own ODE 0.11 with single precision... (Which would imho be the better solution since ODE improves continually [does that word exist?]) -- Marcel From yorickmoko at gmail.com Mon May 4 17:45:38 2009 From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 17:45:38 +0200 Subject: [Mokomaze] Two bugreports and a feature-request (was: Re: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released) In-Reply-To: <200905041742.30094.tanuva@gmail.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905041712.22097.tanuva@gmail.com> <200905041742.30094.tanuva@gmail.com> Message-ID: <26fea52c0905040845i67759b62oe1e479c16840eaa1@mail.gmail.com> continuously On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Marcel wrote: > Am Montag, 4. Mai 2009 17:36:01 schrieb The Digital Pioneer: >> I was under the impression that the FR has no FPU at all, so single >> precision may be better than double, but if you could just do >> everything in ints, that would be best. Is there any way to pull that >> off? > > Aren't integers "single precision"? If yes, we just have to stick to > Debian Lenny's ODE package or build our own ODE 0.11 with single > precision... (Which would imho be the better solution since ODE improves > continually [does that word exist?]) > > -- > Marcel > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Mon May 4 17:49:21 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 10:49:21 -0500 Subject: [Mokomaze] Two bugreports and a feature-request (was: Re: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released) In-Reply-To: <26fea52c0905040845i67759b62oe1e479c16840eaa1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905041712.22097.tanuva@gmail.com> <200905041742.30094.tanuva@gmail.com> <26fea52c0905040845i67759b62oe1e479c16840eaa1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I believe both are words. It is my understanding that you can have single precision floating point numbers (float) or double precision (double), and integer values are simply ints. I could be wrong though. It did happen once before. ;) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090504/9ff9c4db/attachment.htm From monto84 at gmail.com Mon May 4 17:58:29 2009 From: monto84 at gmail.com (Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 17:58:29 +0200 Subject: little today app for shr In-Reply-To: <1241447808199-2787557.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241219070.13954.18.camel@localhost> <5CB52338-B3B6-40E0-A866-D096206CC2DB@gmail.com> <1241274097.21157.1.camel@localhost> <1241441849943-2787120.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241444575.1791.3.camel@localhost> <1241447808199-2787557.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1241452709.23884.2.camel@localhost> Il giorno lun, 04/05/2009 alle 07.36 -0700, KaZeR ha scritto: > > > monto wrote: > > > > > >> Maybe it's worth asking FSO for a different event? > > > > well, a new version is out but now it's also included in shr feeds, it > > fixes the dirty bad startup script. > > It should be a good idea that the phone-gui will emit a dbus signal that > > show the rejected call, but actually i don't know. > > > > > > How did you solve the dirty startup script? > made a script in /etc/X11Xsession.d/ , this should solve the X initialization and modified the script itself to continue to try to connect to dbus sleeping 5 seconds every retry. Bye! Pietro From dscaini at gmail.com Mon May 4 18:19:52 2009 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 18:19:52 +0200 Subject: [SHR] flashed kernel and uname Message-ID: <18db98c80905040919u656afd74p835fea45ddbb5663@mail.gmail.com> I flashed a 2.6.28 kernel to my fr with neotool. If i ask "uname -r" i get 2.6.29-rc2... so obviously it is not able to load the correct modules.. how do i fix it? thanks d -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090504/775983de/attachment.htm From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Mon May 4 18:26:16 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 18:26:16 +0200 Subject: [SHR] flashed kernel and uname In-Reply-To: <18db98c80905040919u656afd74p835fea45ddbb5663@mail.gmail.com> References: <18db98c80905040919u656afd74p835fea45ddbb5663@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It's correct. It's not 2.6.28 kernel. It's only wrong package name. From dscaini at gmail.com Mon May 4 18:30:05 2009 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 18:30:05 +0200 Subject: [SHR] flashed kernel and uname In-Reply-To: References: <18db98c80905040919u656afd74p835fea45ddbb5663@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18db98c80905040930q608f7d23nbadcf827e7524bfd@mail.gmail.com> uh... ... nice! thanks... but the kernel has no modules then... even nicer! I flashed right now a fso kernel and seems working... d On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Johny Tenfinger wrote: > It's correct. It's not 2.6.28 kernel. It's only wrong package name. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090504/509849a8/attachment.htm From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt Mon May 4 18:39:48 2009 From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (Vasco =?iso-8859-15?b?Tul2b2E=?=) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 17:39:48 +0100 Subject: SHR-testing 2009-05-02 broken? In-Reply-To: <1241449019.6888.237.camel@alap> References: <20090504165412.69eec0d4@blunt.home> <200905041607.38364.david@garabana.com> <20090504171149.1cdb2e20@blunt.home> <1241449019.6888.237.camel@alap> Message-ID: <20090504173948.76027l1v9cm6r3v8@w0.mail.sapo.pt> That's not all that broke. I "opkg upgrade"d today, and shr-testing wouldn't launch X11 after a reboot. It is looking for a bunch of modules named "/usr/lib/evas/modules/*/*/linux-gnueabi-arm-ver-pre-01/module.so", but the only ones that exist are "/usr/lib/evas/modules/*/*/linux-gnueabi-arm/module.so" So I linked the directories that do exist with the names that it is looking for, and it is working again. Why is X11 looking for "linux-gnueabi-arm-ver-pre-01" instead of "linux-gnueabi-arm", and why doesn't my system have it? Citando Angus Ainslie : > On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 17:11 +0300, Yogiz wrote: >> Thank you both for the information. I'll use this chance to check out >> the new Openmoko 2009 testing image and I'll return to SHR once the >> problem gets sorted out. >> > > Om2009 has the same problem as the issue is with e upstream. We are also > waiting/looking at a fix. > > Angus > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From dscaini at gmail.com Mon May 4 18:43:31 2009 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 18:43:31 +0200 Subject: [SHR] flashed kernel and uname In-Reply-To: <18db98c80905040930q608f7d23nbadcf827e7524bfd@mail.gmail.com> References: <18db98c80905040919u656afd74p835fea45ddbb5663@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80905040930q608f7d23nbadcf827e7524bfd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18db98c80905040943u1b3cd71ds727c1e2c90266e87@mail.gmail.com> some weeks ago i had a REALLY working kernel (with shr unstable), with reliable wifi and so on... the i upgraded loosing this wonderful balance of stability and working software. Do you have any hint on a really working kernel/shr distribution? thanks d On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Davide Scaini wrote: > uh... > ... nice! > thanks... but the kernel has no modules then... even nicer! > I flashed right now a fso kernel and seems working... > d > > > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Johny Tenfinger wrote: > >> It's correct. It's not 2.6.28 kernel. It's only wrong package name. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090504/f5b1fabb/attachment.htm From omega.xavier at gmail.com Mon May 4 19:02:22 2009 From: omega.xavier at gmail.com (Xavier Cremaschi) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 19:02:22 +0200 Subject: [SHR] flashed kernel and uname In-Reply-To: <18db98c80905040943u1b3cd71ds727c1e2c90266e87@mail.gmail.com> References: <18db98c80905040919u656afd74p835fea45ddbb5663@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80905040930q608f7d23nbadcf827e7524bfd@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80905040943u1b3cd71ds727c1e2c90266e87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: No problem at all with shr and 2.6.29, but I solved the lack of modules by : - booting from sdcard - chrooting on flash - downloading and unpacking modules archive from http://build.shr-project.org Xavier. From ilcristopagano at gmail.com Mon May 4 19:12:38 2009 From: ilcristopagano at gmail.com (Biagio Marino) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 19:12:38 +0200 Subject: No suspend/poweroff =?ISO-8859-1?Q?men=F9?= In-Reply-To: References: <18db98c80905040919u656afd74p835fea45ddbb5663@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80905040930q608f7d23nbadcf827e7524bfd@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80905040943u1b3cd71ds727c1e2c90266e87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241457158.7383.2.camel@biagio-laptop> Hello, when i push the power-off button whit the last upgrade (this evening) the men? doesn't work? When i can fix this? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mai 2009 19:12:38 schrieb Biagio Marino: > Hello, > when i push the power-off button whit the last upgrade (this evening) > the men? doesn't work? > When i can fix this? From vancel at thespazcat.com Mon May 4 18:32:21 2009 From: vancel at thespazcat.com (Laura Vance) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 10:32:21 -0600 Subject: [SHR] Shelf Gadget configuration and E restart Message-ID: <49FF1895.8060801@thespazcat.com> The clock on my visible shelf has been overlapping my GSM gadget, so I wanted to remove and re-add it. expand the Shelf -> wrench -> Shelf Gadgets -> clock. This would cause Enlightenment to crash and I would have to restart it (popup window with options of restart and exit). After a few crashes, I was finally able to remove the clock. I then tried the same process to put the clock back, and it wouldn't return to the shelf. Every time produces the same Enlightenment crash. I've tried rebooting the phone with no success. How can I get my clock back on the shelf? Is there a config file I can manually edit? I've grepped to try to find where it would be, but I don't think the recursive option (-r) on the grep is working properly, because it didn't find some files in /etc/ that the same grep from within the directory would find. -Laura From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Mon May 4 19:33:12 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 19:33:12 +0200 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_No_suspend=2Fpoweroff_men=C3=B9?= In-Reply-To: <200905041917.30199.tanuva@gmail.com> References: <18db98c80905040919u656afd74p835fea45ddbb5663@mail.gmail.com> <1241457158.7383.2.camel@biagio-laptop> <200905041917.30199.tanuva@gmail.com> Message-ID: He's talking about SHR. And mrmoku told users on maillist, that there is syscon menu problem. It's known and upstream, so please: don't spam every maillist with known, upstream bugs... From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Mon May 4 19:33:38 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 19:33:38 +0200 Subject: [SHR] Shelf Gadget configuration and E restart In-Reply-To: <49FF1895.8060801@thespazcat.com> References: <49FF1895.8060801@thespazcat.com> Message-ID: It was upstream problem, which should be now fixed. From vanous at penguin.cz Mon May 4 19:52:53 2009 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 19:52:53 +0200 Subject: [SHR] Shelf Gadget configuration and E restart References: <49FF1895.8060801@thespazcat.com> Message-ID: <20090504195253.7d12a989@penguin.cz> On Mon, 4 May 2009 19:33:38 +0200 Johny Tenfinger (JT) wrote: >It was upstream problem, which should be now fixed. please keep the original question in the email you answer so one knows what the question was. On Mon, 04 May 2009 10:32:21 -0600 Laura Vance (LV) wrote: >The clock on my visible shelf has been overlapping my GSM gadget, so I >wanted to remove and re-add it. besides the bug described before (above), there is an easy way to reposition shelf gadgets: just long tap on them, then you can drag them where you want. (too bad we cannot do this with launcher icons...) -- Petr Van?k From Quakeman1 at gmx.net Mon May 4 20:15:27 2009 From: Quakeman1 at gmx.net (Fox Mulder) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 20:15:27 +0200 Subject: [Mokomaze] Two bugreports and a feature-request In-Reply-To: References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905041712.22097.tanuva@gmail.com> <200905041742.30094.tanuva@gmail.com> <26fea52c0905040845i67759b62oe1e479c16840eaa1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49FF30BF.9030209@gmx.net> The Digital Pioneer wrote: > I believe both are words. > > It is my understanding that you can have single precision floating point > numbers (float) or double precision (double), and integer values are > simply ints. I could be wrong though. It did happen once before. ;) Single precision floating point numbers use 32bit and double precision floating point use 64bit according to IEEE754 standard for floating point numbers. So double precision needs calculation with longer numbers and needs more cpu power with no hardware fpu unit present. Ciao, Rainer From vancel at thespazcat.com Mon May 4 19:23:20 2009 From: vancel at thespazcat.com (Laura Vance) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 11:23:20 -0600 Subject: [SHR] Shelf Gadget configuration and E restart In-Reply-To: <20090504195253.7d12a989@penguin.cz> References: <49FF1895.8060801@thespazcat.com> <20090504195253.7d12a989@penguin.cz> Message-ID: <49FF2488.5020005@thespazcat.com> Petr Vanek wrote: >On Mon, 4 May 2009 19:33:38 +0200 >Johny Tenfinger (JT) wrote: > > > >>It was upstream problem, which should be now fixed. >> >> > >please keep the original question in the email you answer so one knows >what the question was. > >On Mon, 04 May 2009 10:32:21 -0600 >Laura Vance (LV) wrote: > > > >>The clock on my visible shelf has been overlapping my GSM gadget, so I >>wanted to remove and re-add it. >> >> > >besides the bug described before (above), there is an easy way to >reposition shelf gadgets: just long tap on them, then you can drag them >where you want. (too bad we cannot do this with launcher icons...) > >-- >Petr Van?k > > Darn, I wish I would've known that before removing the clock. Now I'm still stuck with E resetting every time I try to re-add the clock. How do I put the clock back with E crashing every time? Is there a config file that I can edit? I couldn't find one with grep -ri, but the recursive seems to not work, and it's very tedious to go into every directory to grep. -Laura From mok at mnet-online.de Mon May 4 20:28:34 2009 From: mok at mnet-online.de (Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 20:28:34 +0200 Subject: [SHR] Shelf Gadget configuration and E restart In-Reply-To: <49FF2488.5020005@thespazcat.com> References: <49FF1895.8060801@thespazcat.com> <20090504195253.7d12a989@penguin.cz> <49FF2488.5020005@thespazcat.com> Message-ID: <200905042028.35015.mok@mnet-online.de> Am Montag 04 Mai 2009 19:23:20 schrieb Laura Vance: > Petr Vanek wrote: > >On Mon, 4 May 2009 19:33:38 +0200 > > > >Johny Tenfinger (JT) wrote: > >>It was upstream problem, which should be now fixed. > > > >please keep the original question in the email you answer so one knows > >what the question was. > > > >On Mon, 04 May 2009 10:32:21 -0600 > > > >Laura Vance (LV) wrote: > >>The clock on my visible shelf has been overlapping my GSM gadget, so I > >>wanted to remove and re-add it. > > > >besides the bug described before (above), there is an easy way to > >reposition shelf gadgets: just long tap on them, then you can drag them > >where you want. (too bad we cannot do this with launcher icons...) > > > >-- > >Petr Van?k > > Darn, I wish I would've known that before removing the clock. Now I'm > still stuck with E resetting every time I try to re-add the clock. > > How do I put the clock back with E crashing every time? Is there a > config file that I can edit? I couldn't find one with grep -ri, but the > recursive seems to not work, and it's very tedious to go into every > directory to grep. e config is in ~/.e The easiest way is to just remove that dir. You will loose all the modifications you did to the e configuration though... The configuration is in binary form, so no text config file to edit. > > -Laura Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann From alishams at interchange.ubc.ca Mon May 4 21:14:14 2009 From: alishams at interchange.ubc.ca (Ali) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 12:14:14 -0700 Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 11 In-Reply-To: <12010_1241257797_1241257797_20090502114937.7059bc3a@telenet.be> References: <12010_1241257797_1241257797_20090502114937.7059bc3a@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1241464454.14782.3.camel@Mzero620> Hi, fyi, http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/fso-image-nox-om-gta02.jffs in the script is broken as you are missing the 2. The correct link is http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/fso-image-nox-om-gta02.jffs2 From lpotter at trolltech.com Mon May 4 21:51:17 2009 From: lpotter at trolltech.com (Lorn Potter) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 05:51:17 +1000 Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 11 In-Reply-To: <49FEE730.7070508@lilik.it> References: <49FECA1E.70307@yahoo.it> <60567dcc0905040421y1e65cbacuc9b9a6efdaf5082@mail.gmail.com> <49FEE730.7070508@lilik.it> Message-ID: On 04/05/2009, at 11:01 PM, leonardo wrote: > Franky Van Liedekerke ha scritto: >> * contact management: >> - I don't like it when SIM contacts get merged invisible, so I want >> SIM contact import to be optional (and maybe also a SIM export should >> exist as option) >> - the building of the contact list is slow (because of too many SQL >> statements) >> * bluetooth: 2.6.28 kernels like bluez4, QtE doesn't ... >> * keyboard: now that the keyboard prediction can be turned off, it is >> already much more usable, but still needs a lot of "dragging >> left/right/up/down" to make a real sentence with punctuation and >> stuff. So some extra buttons and rearranging of existing ones would >> be >> nice ... > > Moro Franky, > there is another issue that drives me crazy sometimes. If you have two > numbers for the same person and you want to send an SMS you have to > choose the person from the contact list before you write the SMS. > Else, > when you chose the person from the list it automatically gets chosen > the > first one (which in general is the home number...). The order of numbers on a new contact is this: Mobile, Home But listed on the details page as this: Home Mobile. When I tested this, and created a new sms, I got the Mobile number. > It is really > annoying because you write the whole SMS and then you throw it away > because you can't choose the number. > > This is a regression from Qtopia where it was possible to choose among > the addresses. > > It's in my to-do list after the visual feedback on the keyboard. Having to choose would add a few more clicks to actually sending an sms. But, being able to choose between "business mobile" and "mobile" might mean the difference between a won contract and a kick in the pants. > > ciao, > leonardo. > > > -- > http://leonardo.lilik.it > Key fingerprint = 2C20 A587 05AC 42E5 1292 D0D4 3EED CFB5 52FD AD1E > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From mertensb.mazda at gmail.com Mon May 4 22:12:35 2009 From: mertensb.mazda at gmail.com (Bram Mertens) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 22:12:35 +0200 Subject: little today app for shr In-Reply-To: <1241219070.13954.18.camel@localhost> References: <1241219070.13954.18.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4f1666380905041312l593dc2a3wfd952111dc0e2ae5@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 1:04 AM, Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano wrote: > Hi, bored loosing some calls and always need to periodically check > pyphenlog i wrote a really simple apps that warn me if one or more call > are lost. > Here is the link to opkg, any suggestion is welcome. > > http://www.opkg.org/package_213.html > > Clicking on "1 missed call" it opens pyhoneloh and clicking on "1 unread > message" it opens opemoko-messages3, editing the script is simple so you > can modify that apps. > > The app is "insvisible", just sit there and wait for missed calls or > incoming messages. > > The way it's autostarted is tricky, sleep 180 and then run it, just to > be shure that illume and frameworkd are running. > > Bye! > > Pietro Another compliment, this really comes in handy! I do get the following warning (I started it using the init script from an ssh session after installing): root at om-gta02 ~ $ /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py:242: DeprecationWarning: object.__init__() takes no parameters super(Connection, self).__init__(*args, **kwargs) root at om-gta02 ~ $ Let's go on Kind regards Bram From monto84 at gmail.com Mon May 4 22:45:59 2009 From: monto84 at gmail.com (Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 22:45:59 +0200 Subject: [Shr-User] little today app for shr In-Reply-To: <4f1666380905041312l593dc2a3wfd952111dc0e2ae5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1241219070.13954.18.camel@localhost> <4f1666380905041312l593dc2a3wfd952111dc0e2ae5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241469959.9002.13.camel@localhost> Il giorno lun, 04/05/2009 alle 22.12 +0200, Bram Mertens ha scritto: [snip] > > Another compliment, this really comes in handy! > > I do get the following warning (I started it using the init script > from an ssh session after installing): > root at om-gta02 ~ $ > /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py:242: > DeprecationWarning: object.__init__() takes no parameters > super(Connection, self).__init__(*args, **kwargs) > > root at om-gta02 ~ $ Let's go on > > Kind regards > > Bram I know, i think that this is something about dbus or edbus, i've tried with an interactive python session --- BEGIN PASTE GiSkArD-uNsTaBlE root # DISPLAY=:0 python Python 2.6.1 (r261:67515, Jan 22 2009, 17:13:34) [GCC 4.1.2] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import elementary >>> elementary.init() >>> import dbus >>> import e_dbus >>> import dbus >>> dbus_loop = e_dbus.DBusEcoreMainLoop() File "", line 1 dbus_loop = e_dbus.DBusEcoreMainLoop() ^ IndentationError: unexpected indent >>> dbus_loop = e_dbus.DBusEcoreMainLoop() >>> system_bus = dbus.SystemBus(mainloop = dbus_loop) /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py:242: DeprecationWarning: object.__init__() takes no parameters super(Connection, self).__init__(*args, **kwargs) >>> --- END PASTE so i can't do nothing about that, if you don't like "let's go" it's not a problem, look in the source and delete line 151 and line 155 but these aren't errors. Bye! Pietro From mertensb.mazda at gmail.com Mon May 4 23:49:13 2009 From: mertensb.mazda at gmail.com (Bram Mertens) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 23:49:13 +0200 Subject: [SHR-testing] create contact from pyphonelog entries Message-ID: <4f1666380905041449y2225f663g764e83b1c89ae876@mail.gmail.com> Hi So far I've been unable to figure out how to access the list of contacts on my SIM so it looks like I'll need to enter them again or import them somehow. I already have a number of recieved/mised calls that I can access from pyphonelog. Is it possible to convert/export these somehow so I can create contacts out of this list? All phones I have owned/used/seen have a feature like this where you can "use" a number to create a contact, send an SMS message, etc. Going further being to do the same from number in SMS messages would be great too. Thanks in advance. Bram From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Mon May 4 23:53:14 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 14:53:14 -0700 Subject: [SHR-testing] create contact from pyphonelog entries In-Reply-To: <4f1666380905041449y2225f663g764e83b1c89ae876@mail.gmail.com> References: <4f1666380905041449y2225f663g764e83b1c89ae876@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: yes i would also like to know this one. the SHR phone log desperately needs this ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bram Mertens Date: Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:49 PM Subject: [SHR-testing] create contact from pyphonelog entries To: community at lists.openmoko.org Hi So far I've been unable to figure out how to access the list of contacts on my SIM so it looks like I'll need to enter them again or import them somehow. I already have a number of recieved/mised calls that I can access from pyphonelog. Is it possible to convert/export these somehow so I can create contacts out of this list? All phones I have owned/used/seen have a feature like this where you can "use" a number to create a contact, send an SMS message, etc. Going further being to do the same from number in SMS messages would be great too. Thanks in advance. Bram _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From liedekef at telenet.be Mon May 4 23:56:49 2009 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 23:56:49 +0200 Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 11 In-Reply-To: <1241464454.14782.3.camel@Mzero620> References: <12010_1241257797_1241257797_20090502114937.7059bc3a@telenet.be> <1241464454.14782.3.camel@Mzero620> Message-ID: <20090504235649.3362da85@telenet.be> On Mon, 04 May 2009 12:14:14 -0700 Ali wrote: > Hi, fyi, http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/fso-image-nox-om-gta02.jffs > in the script is broken as you are missing the 2. The correct link is > http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/fso-image-nox-om-gta02.jffs2 > well, it's only in the comment, not in the script :-) But thanks, fixed it now! Franky From liedekef at telenet.be Mon May 4 23:58:08 2009 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 23:58:08 +0200 Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 11 In-Reply-To: References: <49FECA1E.70307@yahoo.it> <60567dcc0905040421y1e65cbacuc9b9a6efdaf5082@mail.gmail.com> <49FEE730.7070508@lilik.it> Message-ID: <20090504235808.0d768d0a@telenet.be> On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:51:17 +1000 Lorn Potter wrote: > > It is really > > annoying because you write the whole SMS and then you throw it away > > because you can't choose the number. > > > > This is a regression from Qtopia where it was possible to choose > > among the addresses. > > > > It's in my to-do list after the visual feedback on the keyboard. > > Having to choose would add a few more clicks to actually sending an > sms. But, being able to choose between "business mobile" and "mobile" > might mean the difference between a won contract and a kick in the > pants. nicely put :-) So, something else to add to the list ... Franky From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Tue May 5 00:28:10 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 17:28:10 -0500 Subject: [SHR-testing] create contact from pyphonelog entries In-Reply-To: References: <4f1666380905041449y2225f663g764e83b1c89ae876@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, indeed. This is a feature I was really wanting just today in SHR-unstable. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090504/70aff026/attachment.htm From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Tue May 5 00:36:25 2009 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 23:36:25 +0100 Subject: [SHR-testing] create contact from pyphonelog entries In-Reply-To: References: <4f1666380905041449y2225f663g764e83b1c89ae876@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200905042336.25979.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> It can be done with elmphonelog, but requires new functionality from opimd that isn't in shr-testing. It works in shr-unstable though. This was announced on the shr-user list about a week ago. On Monday 04 May 2009, jeremy jozwik wrote: > yes i would also like to know this one. the SHR phone log desperately needs > this > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Bram Mertens > Date: Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:49 PM > Subject: [SHR-testing] create contact from pyphonelog entries > To: community at lists.openmoko.org > > > Hi > > So far I've been unable to figure out how to access the list of > contacts on my SIM so it looks like I'll need to enter them again or > import them somehow. > > I already have a number of recieved/mised calls that I can access from > pyphonelog. Is it possible to convert/export these somehow so I can > create contacts out of this list? All phones I have owned/used/seen > have a feature like this where you can "use" a number to create a > contact, send an SMS message, etc. > > Going further being to do the same from number in SMS messages would > be great too. > > Thanks in advance. > > Bram > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From david at tuxbrain.com Tue May 5 01:03:03 2009 From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 01:03:03 +0200 Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: <49FF0B56.20507@techworks.ie> References: <1241098126.4928.6.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9B7B9.4000300@techworks.ie> <1241102922.4928.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FCBD4A.5050600@web.de> <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> <1241311345.8395.9.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241440377.4551.4.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241442862.4551.7.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FF0B56.20507@techworks.ie> Message-ID: <5c6ceea80905041603o6ca4161fmeb8e009635408e98@mail.gmail.com> Christoph and I were talking about this and agree with Christian we must think on this devices more as auxiliary batteries with a plus than solar chargers, so the higher capacity the better. We are interested in offer this in our shops so we will proceed the following way, as we do with the Slim BT Keyboard, but this time even more open and community driven. I will order a sample of the following models from en-hancing.com to test them and put the results on a wiki page along with some pictures of them on the field. SC019 3000mAh cool&rought the more expensive SC020 3600mAh the highest capacity but seems slightly weaker than sc019 SC018 2600mAh only one solar panel but with higher battery than SC021 and twice cheaper, if it has a mini usb adaptor can be a better choice for cheaper option SC021 is only 2000mAh is just a little bit cheaper than SC019/20 options You can suggest what test do you like to be performed and I will publish the results on that wiki. After that test we(community included in that we) can disscuss what model fits most of all and I will proceed with an order to have stock in our shops. Please be aware than final price will be higher than we have disscused here, after some quick maths the SC019/20 model will be about 69EUR , SC018 about 39EUR, the SC021 about 59EUR(too much for a 2000mAh battery IMHO) those prices are just to orientate, custom fees and Euro/dollar equivalence when the order is finally made are really hard to calculate(near a lottery really) is just to you have an idea. So the due the other YL series doesn't has more than 2400mAh and to avoid more shipping/customs costs (really expesive from china). I think does't worth the effort to try to buy samples from them. I will keep you informed about the progress of the plan :) -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! 2009/5/4 Christian Gagneraud : > Daniel.Li wrote: >> On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 20:32 +0800, Daniel.Li wrote: >>> On Sun, 2009-05-03 at 08:42 +0800, Daniel.Li wrote: >>>> :) Humm... I think I'd better let them to make a bid for small >>>> quantity. :D >> >> Sorry, I slipped. >> >> latest news from factory. >> >> YL-S01: 26.47 USD >> YL-S02: 20.59 USD >> YL-S03: 10.00 USD > > Hi Daniel, > > I use to use this kind of solar charger (a YB-E5008) during my last > holidays (3 weeks in Iceland, by bike), and i can tell you that they > are not suitable for smartphone. I couldn't keep my Nokia N95/8GB charged. > > When they say that you can charge your solar charger with sun light in > 8/12H, it means actually 8/12h exposed under the sun light at its > zenith, on the equator of the earth! > By experience, i can tell you that you will need _at least_ two sunny > days to get it charged properly (during which you took care of > orienting the charger as the sun moves). > > You have to be aware of these constraints as well: > - You can't charge your phone while you charge the charger itself > - If the charger is not fully charge (the light is not green), it > won't charge your phone, _at all_! > > As well, i would advice to use a charger which has at least 2 times > the capacity of your phone (FR has a 3.7V/1200mAh battery). > > On the 3 chargers you propose here, and the 3 chargers i've proposed > earlier, i would be only interested in 2 of them:, the SC019 and the > SC020, mainly because these are the only ones which has internal > battery with a capacity >= 3000Ah > > Regards, > Chris > > >> >> >> YL-S01 >> High solar energy of Single crystal silicon or polycrystalline silicon convert efficiency is over than 16% >> Solar energy board?DC5.0V/300mA >> Built-in rechargeable lithium polymer battery: 2400mAh/3.7V >> Input Voltage:DC5.0V-5.5V >> Input current: 800mA Max. >> Output Voltage: 5.5V,8.4V >> Output current: 700mA Max. >> Dimension: 138 mm?79mm?25 mm >> Peak power supplied by photocell:1.5 W >> charging time: about 6hours (by computer) >> about 8-12hours(by sunlight) >> Running time: about 2hours (discharging in 700mA) >> >> YL-S02 >> High solar energy of Single crystal silicon or polycrystalline silicon convert efficiency is over than 16% >> Solar energy board?DC5.0V/300mA >> Built-in rechargeable lithium polymer battery?1800mAh/3.7V >> Input Voltage?DC5.0V-5.5V >> Input current: 800mA Max. >> Output Voltage:DC5.5V?0.2V(unload) >> Output current: 700mA Max. >> Dimension?138 mm?79mm?25 mm >> Peak power supplied by photocell:1.5 W >> charging time: about 4.5 hours (by computer) >> about 6-10hours(by sunlight) >> Running time: about1.6hours (discharging in 700mA) >> >> YL-S03 >> High solar energy convert efficiency: over than 16% >> Solar energy board: 5.5V/80mA >> Dimension: 95?43?11.5mm >> High capacity build in battery: 1350mAH/3.7V \ >> Output voltage: DC 5.5?0.2V >> Input voltage: DC 5.0-5.5V >> Output current: 700mA max >> Input current: 800mA max >> Weight: about 55g >> charging time: about 3.5 hours (by computer) >> about 15-20hours(by sunlight) >> Running time: about 1.1hours (discharging in max.700mA) >> >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From denis.johnson at gmail.com Tue May 5 02:09:49 2009 From: denis.johnson at gmail.com (Denis Johnson) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:09:49 +1000 Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 11 In-Reply-To: <60567dcc0905040421y1e65cbacuc9b9a6efdaf5082@mail.gmail.com> References: <49FECA1E.70307@yahoo.it> <60567dcc0905040421y1e65cbacuc9b9a6efdaf5082@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20607da10905041709m2199a7bl760841183f7ed179@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > * keyboard: now that the keyboard prediction can be turned off, it is > already much more usable, but still needs a lot of "dragging > left/right/up/down" to make a real sentence with punctuation and > stuff. So some extra buttons and rearranging of existing ones would be > nice ... Is there any chance of ever getting the Qwo keyboard workring on QtEi ? From denis.johnson at gmail.com Tue May 5 02:39:47 2009 From: denis.johnson at gmail.com (Denis Johnson) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:39:47 +1000 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <1241371840448-2778417.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090503192559.4f205aa5@blunt.home> <1241371840448-2778417.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20607da10905041739w4f1d9cfeu1c05068e181f2310@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:30 AM, ANT wrote: > Actually, I am following this way. I am sure that the game itself is more > important than a tons of statistic and sub-menus: just launch the game and > start playing. So, if the feature of showing information about level time > and retries count will be added, it will be optional. The nicest and most playable game I have seen on the FR to date. Well done and thank you for your time. While we are discussing options, I notice that the feel and response is a heavier ball then perhaps the visuals suggest. Is it possible to expose some of the physics settings to the user ? even just via some properties in a file or start-up switches ? regards Denis From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Tue May 5 03:06:23 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 20:06:23 -0500 Subject: [SHR-testing] create contact from pyphonelog entries In-Reply-To: <200905042336.25979.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> References: <4f1666380905041449y2225f663g764e83b1c89ae876@mail.gmail.com> <200905042336.25979.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: Sweet. I assume elm means elementary, which sounds great. Where can I get it? It doesn't seem to be in the feeds. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090504/df5d6496/attachment.htm From mertensb.mazda at gmail.com Tue May 5 07:52:09 2009 From: mertensb.mazda at gmail.com (Bram Mertens) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 07:52:09 +0200 Subject: [SHR-testing] create contact from pyphonelog entries In-Reply-To: <200905042336.25979.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> References: <4f1666380905041449y2225f663g764e83b1c89ae876@mail.gmail.com> <200905042336.25979.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <4f1666380905042252n7440090taef10b37c4c996ff@mail.gmail.com> Great, haven't seen that seen I've only subscribed to (only heard about it's exisitng) this week. Any idea when this would make it to testing? I seem to recall reading somewhere that SHR-testing is currently more recent than SHR-unstable. Is thta no longer true or is there another reason why this newer version of opimd is not in SHR-testing? Regards Bram On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Al Johnson wrote: > It can be done with elmphonelog, but requires new functionality from opimd > that isn't in shr-testing. It works in shr-unstable though. This was announced > on the shr-user list about a week ago. > > On Monday 04 May 2009, jeremy jozwik wrote: >> yes i would also like to know this one. the SHR phone log desperately needs >> this >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Bram Mertens >> Date: Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:49 PM >> Subject: [SHR-testing] create contact from pyphonelog entries >> To: community at lists.openmoko.org >> >> >> Hi >> >> So far I've been unable to figure out how to access the list of >> contacts on my SIM so it looks like I'll need to enter them again or >> import them somehow. >> >> I already have a number of recieved/mised calls that I can access from >> pyphonelog. ?Is it possible to convert/export these somehow so I can >> create contacts out of this list? ?All phones I have owned/used/seen >> have a feature like this where you can "use" a number to create a >> contact, send an SMS message, etc. >> >> Going further being to do the same from number in SMS messages would >> be great too. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Bram From risto at kurppa.fi Tue May 5 08:27:59 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:27:59 +0300 Subject: Ain't it funny.. Message-ID: The community work seems to be slowing down now (because of the summer?) and the the community doesn't seem to be pushing together for One Working Distro. We have about 15 distributions around but as far as I know (I haven't tested them all..), they all are 'developer skills required', not 'consumer friendly'. We've had Freerunner around now for about a year and there's still not a proper web browser around (packaged, 'just works'). Slow/buggy/not supporting JavaScript/etc... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Browser_review OM2009 testing 2 was released some days ago. So far ~3 e-mails on the list about it. New version of Mokomaze was released some days ago, too. Around 50 mails. To me this tells that people are more interested in Mokomaze than OM2009. But still, we have open hardware that can be used as a daily phone. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From maxposedon at gmail.com Tue May 5 08:43:22 2009 From: maxposedon at gmail.com (Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:43:22 +0300 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905050943.22844.maxposedon@gmail.com> On Tuesday 05 May 2009 09:27:59 Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > The community work seems to be slowing down now (because of the > summer?) and the the community doesn't seem to be pushing together for > One Working Distro. We have about 15 distributions around but as far > as I know (I haven't tested them all..), they all are 'developer > skills required', not 'consumer friendly'. We've had Freerunner around > now for about a year and there's still not a proper web browser around > (packaged, 'just works'). Slow/buggy/not supporting JavaScript/etc... > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Browser_review > > OM2009 testing 2 was released some days ago. So far ~3 e-mails on the > list about it. > New version of Mokomaze was released some days ago, too. Around 50 mails. > To me this tells that people are more interested in Mokomaze than OM2009. > > But still, we have open hardware that can be used as a daily phone. > > r It is good time for you, start 16th distro, maintain it, and become famous. :) I don't think that is slowing down, and I'm sure community shouldn't work on one stable distro, just because software is more important. As for me I think classic distros maintainers(from Debian to Gentoo) should work on maintaining SHR/FSO/OM projects, because they have much more experience and resources to maintain software, and devs should developing. I'm using some not-very-latest SHR-testing, it is stable enough for me to use it as every day phone, and read IRC in subway. 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Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090505/74b5f12b/attachment.pgp From liedekef at telenet.be Tue May 5 08:56:14 2009 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 08:56:14 +0200 Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 11 In-Reply-To: <20607da10905041709m2199a7bl760841183f7ed179@mail.gmail.com> References: <49FECA1E.70307@yahoo.it> <60567dcc0905040421y1e65cbacuc9b9a6efdaf5082@mail.gmail.com> <20607da10905041709m2199a7bl760841183f7ed179@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60567dcc0905042356r639f590bw32e8742130fe6fdd@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:09 AM, Denis Johnson wrote: > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke > wrote: >> * keyboard: now that the keyboard prediction can be turned off, it is >> already much more usable, but still needs a lot of "dragging >> left/right/up/down" to make a real sentence with punctuation and >> stuff. So some extra buttons and rearranging of existing ones would be >> nice ... > > Is there any chance of ever getting the Qwo keyboard workring on QtEi ? qwo needs xorg as a requirement ... so no, since QtEi doesn't/can't use xorg Franky From pander at users.sourceforge.net Tue May 5 09:08:41 2009 From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 09:08:41 +0200 Subject: [SHR-testing] create contact from pyphonelog entries In-Reply-To: <4f1666380905042252n7440090taef10b37c4c996ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <4f1666380905041449y2225f663g764e83b1c89ae876@mail.gmail.com> <200905042336.25979.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <4f1666380905042252n7440090taef10b37c4c996ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49FFE5F9.3010504@users.sourceforge.net> See this also table: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview Please update this table when you find new functionality of issues with existinf functionality. Bram Mertens wrote: > Great, haven't seen that seen I've only subscribed to (only heard > about it's exisitng) this week. > > Any idea when this would make it to testing? > > I seem to recall reading somewhere that SHR-testing is currently more > recent than SHR-unstable. Is thta no longer true or is there another > reason why this newer version of opimd is not in SHR-testing? > > Regards > > Bram > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Al Johnson > wrote: >> It can be done with elmphonelog, but requires new functionality from opimd >> that isn't in shr-testing. It works in shr-unstable though. This was announced >> on the shr-user list about a week ago. >> >> On Monday 04 May 2009, jeremy jozwik wrote: >>> yes i would also like to know this one. the SHR phone log desperately needs >>> this >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Bram Mertens >>> Date: Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:49 PM >>> Subject: [SHR-testing] create contact from pyphonelog entries >>> To: community at lists.openmoko.org >>> >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> So far I've been unable to figure out how to access the list of >>> contacts on my SIM so it looks like I'll need to enter them again or >>> import them somehow. >>> >>> I already have a number of recieved/mised calls that I can access from >>> pyphonelog. Is it possible to convert/export these somehow so I can >>> create contacts out of this list? All phones I have owned/used/seen >>> have a feature like this where you can "use" a number to create a >>> contact, send an SMS message, etc. >>> >>> Going further being to do the same from number in SMS messages would >>> be great too. >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Bram > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From vales at gmx.de Tue May 5 09:14:23 2009 From: vales at gmx.de (vale) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 00:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80905041603o6ca4161fmeb8e009635408e98@mail.gmail.com> References: <49F314F6.7080909@techworks.ie> <1240669817.15742.0.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F33389.5050408@techworks.ie> <1241092741.4305.21.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9A084.301@ferrieres.org> <1241098126.4928.6.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9B7B9.4000300@techworks.ie> <1241102922.4928.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FCBD4A.5050600@web.de> <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> <1241311345.8395.9.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241440377.4551.4.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241442862.4551.7.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FF0B56.20507@techworks.ie> <5c6ceea80905041603o6ca4161fmeb8e009635408e98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241507663153-2791397.post@n2.nabble.com> i would look at dealextreme.com there are many external battery packs which are much cheaper! i have http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.9871 which really does not have 10000mAh like it claims, but i can charge my freerunner about 1.5 to 2 times without problem and thats all i need. comes with mini-usb adapter and free shipping so its about: 14 Euros. There are many more on the website: http://www.dealextreme.com/search.dx/search.external%20battery You have to put freerunner to force fast charge with 500mA to load ... Greetings vale -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Solar-charger-%28was-Re%3A-News-Openmoko-Shop-Pulster%29-tp2708769p2791397.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From david at tuxbrain.com Tue May 5 09:19:15 2009 From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:19:15 +0200 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5c6ceea80905050019j44156bdahff31b53707dc3810@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/5 Risto H. Kurppa : > The community work seems to be slowing down now (because of the > summer?) and the the community doesn't seem to be pushing together for > One Working Distro. We have about 15 distributions around but as far > as I know (I haven't tested them all..), they all are 'developer > skills required', not 'consumer friendly'. I dissgree, shr testing no need for developer skills, it just works as daily phone, it has passed the "wife acceptance test" his words: -"Well, finally this thing seem to work", she was able to make and receive calls, sending sms, and also use the gps without more intructions than ocasional translation, >We've had Freerunner around > now for about a year and there's still not a proper web browser around > (packaged, 'just works'). Slow/buggy/not supporting JavaScript/etc... > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Browser_review whoosh from Hackable1 is what you are searching for, I hope it will be ported son to opkg/OE based distros. > > OM2009 testing 2 was released some days ago. So far ~3 e-mails on the > list about it. > New version of Mokomaze was released some days ago, too. Around 50 mails. > To me this tells that people are more interested in Mokomaze than OM2009. Not I'm not but I have honestly admint I'm waiting for the final OM2009 before start testing. > > But still, we have open hardware that can be used as a daily phone. > > r > > -- > | risto h. kurppa > | risto at kurppa dot fi > | http://risto.kurppa.fi > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! From michael_zanetti at gmx.net Tue May 5 09:41:11 2009 From: michael_zanetti at gmx.net (Michael Zanetti) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:41:11 +0200 Subject: [SHR-testing] create contact from pyphonelog entries In-Reply-To: <4f1666380905042252n7440090taef10b37c4c996ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <4f1666380905041449y2225f663g764e83b1c89ae876@mail.gmail.com> <200905042336.25979.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <4f1666380905042252n7440090taef10b37c4c996ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200905050941.12215.michael_zanetti@gmx.net> On Tuesday 05 May 2009 07:52:09 Bram Mertens wrote: > Great, haven't seen that seen I've only subscribed to (only heard > about it's exisitng) this week. > > Any idea when this would make it to testing? > > I seem to recall reading somewhere that SHR-testing is currently more > recent than SHR-unstable. Is thta no longer true or is there another > reason why this newer version of opimd is not in SHR-testing? > I'm running SHR-Testing and I'm using elmphonelog. It works great except that it crashes when I try to store something to opimd. But for managing contacts on SIM card it works like a charm. From rakshat at gmail.com Tue May 5 09:52:03 2009 From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:22:03 +0530 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69a2e4550905050052g21a03773o2b0232c243bfbf38@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > The community work seems to be slowing down now (because of the > summer?) and the the community doesn't seem to be pushing together for > One Working Distro. We have about 15 distributions around but as far > as I know (I haven't tested them all..), they all are 'developer > skills required', not 'consumer friendly'. We've had Freerunner around > now for about a year and there's still not a proper web browser around > (packaged, 'just works'). Slow/buggy/not supporting JavaScript/etc... > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Browser_review > > OM2009 testing 2 was released some days ago. So far ~3 e-mails on the > list about it. > New version of Mokomaze was released some days ago, too. Around 50 mails. > To me this tells that people are more interested in Mokomaze than OM2009. > > But still, we have open hardware that can be used as a daily phone. > > r > > I have just moved from 2008.12 Kustomizer to SHR Testing and it works as a daily phone just fine. Chatted on pidgin for a long time yesterday without any problem for the first time. I shifted as I am traveling for the 2 months and wont be in office for regular updates so needed a stable phone for calling and sms. I think once paroli becomes non full screen (if it already has announcement needed) more people will be interested in OM 2009 as they can have a stable phone and also play mokomaze Rakshat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090505/0ea5cc77/attachment.htm From rakshat at gmail.com Tue May 5 09:57:46 2009 From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:27:46 +0530 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <69a2e4550905050052g21a03773o2b0232c243bfbf38@mail.gmail.com> References: <69a2e4550905050052g21a03773o2b0232c243bfbf38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69a2e4550905050057t76bbc1bcv133e372392ffe743@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:22 PM, rakshat hooja wrote: > > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > >> The community work seems to be slowing down now (because of the >> summer?) and the the community doesn't seem to be pushing together for >> One Working Distro. We have about 15 distributions around but as far >> as I know (I haven't tested them all..), they all are 'developer >> skills required', not 'consumer friendly'. We've had Freerunner around >> now for about a year and there's still not a proper web browser around >> (packaged, 'just works'). Slow/buggy/not supporting JavaScript/etc... >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Browser_review >> >> OM2009 testing 2 was released some days ago. So far ~3 e-mails on the >> list about it. >> New version of Mokomaze was released some days ago, too. Around 50 mails. >> To me this tells that people are more interested in Mokomaze than OM2009. >> >> But still, we have open hardware that can be used as a daily phone. >> >> r >> >> > > I have just moved from 2008.12 Kustomizer to SHR Testing and it works as a > daily phone just fine. Chatted on pidgin for a long time yesterday without > any problem for the first time. I shifted as I am traveling for the 2 months > and wont be in office for regular updates so needed a stable phone for > calling and sms. > > I think once paroli becomes non full screen (if it already has > announcement needed) more people will be interested in OM 2009 as they can > have a stable phone and also play mokomaze > > Rakshat > Ok just saw that going to Illume is now possible in OM 2009. Rakshat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090505/31b849d9/attachment.htm From kazer at altern.org Tue May 5 10:04:13 2009 From: kazer at altern.org (KaZeR) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 01:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80905050019j44156bdahff31b53707dc3810@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c6ceea80905050019j44156bdahff31b53707dc3810@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241510653972-2791563.post@n2.nabble.com> David Samblas Martinez wrote: > > 2009/5/5 Risto H. Kurppa : >> The community work seems to be slowing down now (because of the >> summer?) and the the community doesn't seem to be pushing together for >> One Working Distro. We have about 15 distributions around but as far >> as I know (I haven't tested them all..), they all are 'developer >> skills required', not 'consumer friendly'. > I dissgree, shr testing no need for developer skills, it just works as > daily phone. > I agree. I'm using shr (switching from time to time between unstable and testing) as my daily phone since two months. There are a lot of things which needs polishing, some nasty bugs to fix, but overall it just works, and you can see progresses almost everyday. shr-settings is slow, but well-thought. GPS works fine. Yesterday i installed notifier, which was definitely a missing feature (i encourage the shr-guys to include it in the release). The UI is nice looking (but a bit slow), it is well themed (every apps have the same look, it doesn't look like a pile of things thrown together like in OM 2008-). I can show it to people without fearing getting joked. The point is that it's far from finished, but you can see that it's getting better everyday. And that's definitely a good thing : it makes user feeling confident. I am feeling confident. Before shr, i was starting to believe that my neo will remain a geek toy. The only thing i miss from my OM-200x days is better contact management. The most nasty bug i'm suffering currently is the unreliable gprs. I use it a lot, and there is a bug in FSO with the muxer which leads the modem to hang over high load. It seems that mickey implemented a fix, but it's not yet available on my testing. Also the battery life is still way too short, and sound in calls is crappy. But it works. David Samblas Martinez wrote: > > Not I'm not but I have honestly admint I'm waiting for the final > OM2009 before start testing. > So am i. I will definitely have a look at it, but when it is closer to the release. I know that OM needs bug reports. But i also want something which seems functionnal.. Plus i really like shr.. Also, about activity, don't forget that shr for example has its own mailing list (until last week hosted here too, but now hosted by themselves). About the mokomaze example, i would say it's like dictator, for example. The soft just works, and it's nice. People may get bored of always complaining. Bugs trackers are maybe a better place to report bugs than mailing lists, even if it can be good to discuss issues in the ML. I'll try to test OM2009 soon, because, you're right, it needs user feedback. But i didn't really want to wipe my working phone. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Ain%27t-it-funny..-tp2791276p2791563.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rms at 1407.org Tue May 5 10:09:00 2009 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:09:00 +0100 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <69a2e4550905050052g21a03773o2b0232c243bfbf38@mail.gmail.com> References: <69a2e4550905050052g21a03773o2b0232c243bfbf38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090505080900.GA26732@roque.1407.org> On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 01:22:03PM +0530, rakshat hooja wrote: > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > > > The community work seems to be slowing down now (because of the > > summer?) and the the community doesn't seem to be pushing together for > > One Working Distro. We have about 15 distributions around but as far > > as I know (I haven't tested them all..), they all are 'developer > > skills required', not 'consumer friendly'. We've had Freerunner around > > now for about a year and there's still not a proper web browser around > > (packaged, 'just works'). Slow/buggy/not supporting JavaScript/etc... > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Browser_review > > > > OM2009 testing 2 was released some days ago. So far ~3 e-mails on the > > list about it. > > New version of Mokomaze was released some days ago, too. Around 50 mails. > > To me this tells that people are more interested in Mokomaze than OM2009. > > > > But still, we have open hardware that can be used as a daily phone. > > > > r > > > > > > I have just moved from 2008.12 Kustomizer to SHR Testing and it works as a > daily phone just fine. Chatted on pidgin for a long time yesterday without > any problem for the first time. I shifted as I am traveling for the 2 months > and wont be in office for regular updates so needed a stable phone for > calling and sms. > > I think once paroli becomes non full screen (if it already has announcement > needed) more people will be interested in OM 2009 as they can have a stable > phone and also play mokomaze Mirko helped me with this! Edit /etc/paroli.cfg (or /etc/paroli/paroli.conf, look for it since I don't know from heart and the phone is in another room), and set to true the activated status of "advanced" and restart paroli. Then press aux for about 2 seconds until the menu appears, select phone, then profile, then illume. WARNING: be tolerant and wait a few seconds (maybe 10 at most) until the UI stabilizes. Have fun! Rui -- Grudnuk demand sustenance! Today is Setting Orange, the 52nd day of Discord in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? From omega.xavier at gmail.com Tue May 5 10:19:06 2009 From: omega.xavier at gmail.com (Xavier Cremaschi) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 10:19:06 +0200 Subject: [SHR,FSO] Serenity theme for illume In-Reply-To: <20090329171328.5e4097b4@j.newkirk.us> References: <20090329171328.5e4097b4@j.newkirk.us> Message-ID: <49FFF67A.70404@gmail.com> Just a question : before I used shr-testing and serenity, and my apps were black (tangogps, wifimofi). Yesterday I flashed my FR to restore a fresh new shr-testing, I restored serenity too, but my apps are grey (like a classical gtk widget). An idea ? Xavier. From michael_zanetti at gmx.net Tue May 5 10:36:34 2009 From: michael_zanetti at gmx.net (Michael Zanetti) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:36:34 +0200 Subject: [SHR,FSO] Serenity theme for illume In-Reply-To: <49FFF67A.70404@gmail.com> References: <20090329171328.5e4097b4@j.newkirk.us> <49FFF67A.70404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200905051036.34924.michael_zanetti@gmx.net> On Tuesday 05 May 2009 10:19:06 Xavier Cremaschi wrote: > Just a question : before I used shr-testing and serenity, and my apps > were black (tangogps, wifimofi). Yesterday I flashed my FR to restore a > fresh new shr-testing, I restored serenity too, but my apps are grey > (like a classical gtk widget). > > An idea ? > Well, you're missing the GTK theme file. Unfortunately I cannot tell you where to find it. I'm looking for it myself for a while now without success. Anyone knows where to get the black gtk theme? From omega.xavier at gmail.com Tue May 5 10:55:38 2009 From: omega.xavier at gmail.com (Xavier Cremaschi) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 10:55:38 +0200 Subject: [SHR] flashed kernel and uname In-Reply-To: References: <18db98c80905040919u656afd74p835fea45ddbb5663@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80905040930q608f7d23nbadcf827e7524bfd@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80905040943u1b3cd71ds727c1e2c90266e87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49FFFF0A.2040105@gmail.com> Xavier Cremaschi a ?crit : > No problem at all with shr and 2.6.29, but I solved the lack of modules by : > - booting from sdcard > - chrooting on flash > - downloading and unpacking modules archive from > http://build.shr-project.org > > Xavier. I must add : with 2.6.29-rc2 (packaged in files named 2.6.28, weird) it seems you cannot see the FR from a Microsoft Windows OS, when with 2.6.29-rc3 I can ssh without any problems. From timo.jyrinki at gmail.com Tue May 5 10:56:37 2009 From: timo.jyrinki at gmail.com (Timo Jyrinki) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:56:37 +0300 Subject: [SHR,FSO] Serenity theme for illume In-Reply-To: <49FFF67A.70404@gmail.com> References: <20090329171328.5e4097b4@j.newkirk.us> <49FFF67A.70404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <68da43e00905050156of09b5bhcf8a1235a992def7@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/5 Xavier Cremaschi : > fresh new shr-testing, I restored serenity too, but my apps are grey > (like a classical gtk widget). Is there btw a current URL to screenshots of serenity? I'd be interested to see. -Timo From david at roetzel.de Tue May 5 10:59:03 2009 From: david at roetzel.de (David Roetzel) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:59:03 +0200 Subject: FrOSCon 2009: Call for Participation Message-ID: <20090505105903.3bc701ba.david@roetzel.de> Dear Openmoko community, I am one of the organizers of FrOSCon, the Free and Open Source Software Conference, an annual event held at the University of Applied Sciences Bonn-Rhein-Sieg, Germany. The fourth edition of FrOSCon will take place on August 22nd/23rd 2009. In the past two years Michael 'Mickey' Lauer, of Openmoko and FSO fame, held talks about the state of Openmoko that were met with lots of interest and were very well received. That is why I would love to see more participation from Openmoko and related projects. If you want to give a talk, please see our Call for Papers (http://www.froscon.de/en/program/call-for-papers.html, or submit a talk directly at http://cfp.froscon.org). Today, we also started a Call for Projects. At https://callforprojects.froscon.org you can register a booth or apply for a developer room. Developer rooms are provided for projects that want to organize their own track of talks or simply use the infrastracture for internal meetings, hack sessions etc. I hope to see some of you at FrOSCon 2009! Kind regards David From charlie137 at gmail.com Tue May 5 11:19:36 2009 From: charlie137 at gmail.com (Guillaume Chereau) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:19:36 +0800 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <20090505080900.GA26732@roque.1407.org> References: <69a2e4550905050052g21a03773o2b0232c243bfbf38@mail.gmail.com> <20090505080900.GA26732@roque.1407.org> Message-ID: <8e9327d40905050219n4ed111dcr6aa1289ef2fe973a@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 01:22:03PM +0530, rakshat hooja wrote: >> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: >> >> > The community work seems to be slowing down now (because of the >> > summer?) and the the community doesn't seem to be pushing together for >> > One Working Distro. We have about 15 distributions around but as far >> > as I know (I haven't tested them all..), they all are 'developer >> > skills required', not 'consumer friendly'. We've had Freerunner around >> > now for about a year and there's still not a proper web browser around >> > (packaged, 'just works'). Slow/buggy/not supporting JavaScript/etc... >> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Browser_review >> > >> > OM2009 testing 2 was released some days ago. So far ~3 e-mails on the >> > list about it. >> > New version of Mokomaze was released some days ago, too. Around 50 mails. >> > To me this tells that people are more interested in Mokomaze than OM2009. >> > >> > But still, we have open hardware that can be used as a daily phone. >> > >> > r >> > >> > >> >> I have just moved from 2008.12 Kustomizer to SHR Testing and it works as a >> daily phone just fine. Chatted on pidgin for a long time yesterday without >> any problem for the first time. I shifted as I am traveling for the 2 months >> and wont be in office for regular updates so needed a stable phone for >> calling and sms. >> >> I think once paroli becomes non full screen ?(if it already has announcement >> needed) more people will be interested in OM 2009 as they can have a stable >> phone and also play mokomaze > > Mirko helped me with this! > > Edit /etc/paroli.cfg (or /etc/paroli/paroli.conf, look for it since I don't know > from heart and the phone is in another room), and set to true the activated > status of "advanced" and restart paroli. > > Then press aux for about 2 seconds until the menu appears, select phone, then > profile, then illume. WARNING: be tolerant and wait a few seconds (maybe 10 at > most) until the UI stabilizes. > > Have fun! > > Rui > > -- > Grudnuk demand sustenance! > Today is Setting Orange, the 52nd day of Discord in the YOLD 3175 > + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown > + Whatever you do will be insignificant, > | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi > + So let's do it...? > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > I am also still working on Tichy [1] when I have time (that is not so much I am afraid). I plan a new release soon. The next version will (hopefully) have : full screen switch, improved keyboard, a new style, a terminal application, support for exporting PIM data to org-mode format, and a lot of code cleaning. -gui [0] http://code.google.com/p/tichy/ -- http://charlie137.blogspot.com/ From dscaini at gmail.com Tue May 5 11:34:10 2009 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:34:10 +0200 Subject: [SHR] flashed kernel and uname In-Reply-To: <49FFFF0A.2040105@gmail.com> References: <18db98c80905040919u656afd74p835fea45ddbb5663@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80905040930q608f7d23nbadcf827e7524bfd@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80905040943u1b3cd71ds727c1e2c90266e87@mail.gmail.com> <49FFFF0A.2040105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <18db98c80905050234w3543edfav8086421bdc55abfc@mail.gmail.com> fortunately i don't use M$Win. I followed you recipe, but i can't reproduce the wonderful balance that allowed me to connect to my departmental wifi... it seems having some issue, but no idea at which level... thanks i'll try with some other kind of net, then i'll give you feedback d ps: i think that not having a unique recipe that "makes it simply work" is at least weird... On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Xavier Cremaschi wrote: > Xavier Cremaschi a ?crit : > > No problem at all with shr and 2.6.29, but I solved the lack of modules > by : > > - booting from sdcard > > - chrooting on flash > > - downloading and unpacking modules archive from > > http://build.shr-project.org > > > > Xavier. > > I must add : with 2.6.29-rc2 (packaged in files named 2.6.28, weird) it > seems you cannot see the FR from a Microsoft Windows OS, when with > 2.6.29-rc3 I can ssh without any problems. > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090505/45582aa0/attachment.htm From hersche at puzzle.ch Tue May 5 11:53:29 2009 From: hersche at puzzle.ch (Vinzenz Hersche) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:53:29 +0200 Subject: shr-unstable in the past? Message-ID: <200905051153.29630.hersche@puzzle.ch> hello community i don't know what's wrong. maybe i didn't see right, but on http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D is the last date the 23. april. yesterday it was the 4. may. so, why there are old images who replacet the new? hope, there's a logical answer.. :) greets From anas.lbn at gmail.com Tue May 5 11:54:23 2009 From: anas.lbn at gmail.com (Anas Alzouhbi) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:54:23 +0200 Subject: copy a file from smartphone to pc Message-ID: Hello! I want to transfer a file from my smartphone to the pc, for exemple the file name is toto4 and the username of my pc is elzouebi I runned this command scp toto4 elzouebi at 192.168.0.200 , it created a file called elzouebi at 192.168.0.200 on the smartphone :( also I runned this command scp totot4 elzouebi at 192.168.0.200:sender, sender is a folder on my pc I obtained this error messaj WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-x' WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-oForwardAgent no' WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-oPermitLocalCommand no' WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-oClearAllForwardings yes' /usr/bin/dbclient: exited: Error connecting: Connection refused lost connection what should I do, to copy a file from the smarphone to the pc From michael_zanetti at gmx.net Tue May 5 12:06:40 2009 From: michael_zanetti at gmx.net (Michael Zanetti) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:06:40 +0200 Subject: copy a file from smartphone to pc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905051206.40355.michael_zanetti@gmx.net> On Tuesday 05 May 2009 11:54:23 Anas Alzouhbi wrote: > Hello! > I want to transfer a file from my smartphone to the pc, for exemple > the file name is toto4 and the username of my pc is elzouebi > I runned this command > scp toto4 elzouebi at 192.168.0.200 , it created a file called > elzouebi at 192.168.0.200 on the smartphone :( You have to give the destination of the copied file: scp toto4 elzouebi at 192.168.0.200:/path/to/destination From iknowjoseph at gmail.com Tue May 5 12:09:30 2009 From: iknowjoseph at gmail.com (Joseph Reeves) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:09:30 +0100 Subject: copy a file from smartphone to pc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <958244340905050309m62c3a67fr2e801ddc0d9e0473@mail.gmail.com> You don't say what OS you're running on your PC, but assuming it's something half-modern and Linux based, open a file browser (I use nautilus) and type in the address bar: sftp://root@[ip address of phone] [ip address of phone] is usually 192.168.0.202 Cheers, Joseph 2009/5/5 Anas Alzouhbi : > Hello! > I want to transfer a file from my smartphone to the pc, for exemple > the file name is toto4 and the username of my pc is elzouebi > I runned this command > scp toto4 elzouebi at 192.168.0.200 , it created a file called > elzouebi at 192.168.0.200 on the smartphone :( > also I runned this command > scp totot4 elzouebi at 192.168.0.200:sender, sender is a folder on my pc > I obtained this error messaj > WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-x' > WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-oForwardAgent no' > WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-oPermitLocalCommand no' > WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-oClearAllForwardings yes' > /usr/bin/dbclient: exited: Error connecting: Connection refused > lost connection > > what should I do, to copy a file from the smarphone to the pc > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From omega.xavier at gmail.com Tue May 5 12:13:36 2009 From: omega.xavier at gmail.com (Xavier Cremaschi) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 12:13:36 +0200 Subject: [SHR] flashed kernel and uname In-Reply-To: <18db98c80905050234w3543edfav8086421bdc55abfc@mail.gmail.com> References: <18db98c80905040919u656afd74p835fea45ddbb5663@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80905040930q608f7d23nbadcf827e7524bfd@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80905040943u1b3cd71ds727c1e2c90266e87@mail.gmail.com> <49FFFF0A.2040105@gmail.com> <18db98c80905050234w3543edfav8086421bdc55abfc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In the chroot, after unpacking, do not forget to do a depmod -a 2.6.29-rcX (put the name of your /lib/modules/directory here) Xavier. From dscaini at gmail.com Tue May 5 12:23:02 2009 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:23:02 +0200 Subject: [SHR] flashed kernel and uname In-Reply-To: References: <18db98c80905040919u656afd74p835fea45ddbb5663@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80905040930q608f7d23nbadcf827e7524bfd@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80905040943u1b3cd71ds727c1e2c90266e87@mail.gmail.com> <49FFFF0A.2040105@gmail.com> <18db98c80905050234w3543edfav8086421bdc55abfc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18db98c80905050323v2f675875oc69d1a6bac2d337c@mail.gmail.com> yes ;-) i did that... ok, maybe i should insist... but this situation makes me at least "unhappy" thanks Xavier d On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Xavier Cremaschi wrote: > In the chroot, after unpacking, do not forget to do a > depmod -a 2.6.29-rcX (put the name of your /lib/modules/directory > here) > > Xavier. > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090505/52d480c5/attachment.htm From mbauer at bearstech.com Tue May 5 12:26:17 2009 From: mbauer at bearstech.com (Marcus Bauer) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:26:17 +0200 Subject: hackable:1 - new release Message-ID: <20090505122617.3bc40015@one> Hello Openmoko Community, a new release of hackable:1 is available! We have been working hard on ironing out bugs and making it a lot more usable and I am proud to announce that we have come a long way. Several developers are now using it as daily phone and internet device - so we are eating our own dogfood. hackable:1 now offers phone functionality and sms plus a full PIM suite consisting of contacts, calendar and todo list manager, plus a timesheet time tracker application. For internet use we have added a new browser optimised for small screens and speed. It is based on webkit and supports javascript and allows for quick access of all major functions. The Feedreader has been overhauled and comes with a set of predefined open source feeds to which you can add more to your personal liking. The default keyboard is "hackers" keyboard, i.e. for stylus use with all special characters quickly accessible. This allows for both, quickly typing an sms as well as using the command line effectively. hackable:1 is based on Debian Lenny thus 25.000 packages are only an apt-get far away. Many packages especially for development are pre-installed - compiler, linker, build tools, dev-libraries are already there for a quick start into development right on the phone, just in minutes. Changes since the last release (rev3) ===================================== * plenty of fixes to gsmd and phone-kit * finger scroll works well now, no longer unwanted application starts * plenty of fixes to the hackers keyboard - no more double key presses * fully Lenny based * added new browser "woosh" * updated feedreader * added calendar, todo, gallery * well working autorotate * and much, much more... How to install it ================= hackable:1 is running from SD card, thus you can easily check it out as it wont touch your installation in flash of the phone. Simply untar it onto a SD card, pop the SD card into the phone and boot from it. The steps are: - format a 1GB+ SD card with 8MB fat and the rest ext2 - untar the two tarballs - boot from the SD card The detailed steps for installation are here: http://www.hackable1.org/wiki/Installation Technology ========== The hackable:1 apps are GTK+ and C for speed, however there is no restriction. You like qt, e, f or g? You like python, perl or erlang? Welcome on board, this is open source/free software and freedom is about choice. Pick your poison! As of now the applications are a mixture of finger-based and stylus based whichever seems to fit best. What to expect ============== There will still be bugs. Some apps are not fully optimized for usability. But it is usable as phone, as PDA and as internet device. It is a community project, you can easily join, voice your opinion and add code and applications. The R&D department of Bearstech -the french distributor of the Openmoko Freerunners- is sponsoring the development, Bearstech is using it as base for various VAR projects and subsequently Bearstech wants to give back and is commited to the free software community. What does it look like in action ================================ Go to youtube and see yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izww_4Z421g Have fun! Marcus - on behalf of the hackable:1 team and community From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Tue May 5 12:46:49 2009 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 13:46:49 +0300 Subject: hackable:1 - new release In-Reply-To: <20090505122617.3bc40015@one> (Marcus Bauer's message of "Tue, 5 May 2009 12:26:17 +0200") References: <20090505122617.3bc40015@one> Message-ID: <843abjrfmu.fsf@sauna.l.org> Marcus Bauer writes: > Welcome on board, this is open source/free software and freedom is What debian repo should I add to sources.list to get the source code of woosh? Neither http://download.hackable1.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/source/ nor http://download.hackable1.org/debian/dists/sid/main/source/ seem to list it. From fabiolocati at gmail.com Tue May 5 12:49:53 2009 From: fabiolocati at gmail.com (Fabio Locati) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:49:53 +0200 Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 11 In-Reply-To: <60567dcc0905042356r639f590bw32e8742130fe6fdd@mail.gmail.com> References: <49FECA1E.70307@yahoo.it> <60567dcc0905040421y1e65cbacuc9b9a6efdaf5082@mail.gmail.com> <20607da10905041709m2199a7bl760841183f7ed179@mail.gmail.com> <60567dcc0905042356r639f590bw32e8742130fe6fdd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3d9482340905050349y548969eap413d3705e2da4a4b@mail.gmail.com> is not possible to use it with SDL? On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:09 AM, Denis Johnson wrote: >> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke >> wrote: >>> * keyboard: now that the keyboard prediction can be turned off, it is >>> already much more usable, but still needs a lot of "dragging >>> left/right/up/down" to make a real sentence with punctuation and >>> stuff. So some extra buttons and rearranging of existing ones would be >>> nice ... >> >> Is there any chance of ever getting the Qwo keyboard workring on QtEi ? > > qwo needs xorg as a requirement ... so no, since QtEi doesn't/can't use xorg > > Franky > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Fabio A Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabiolocati at gmail.com PGP Key: 9EF6 3C79 F6DF 76CD 770A 43A1 DCCB 415C 9656 3334 Envolved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia From vanous at penguin.cz Tue May 5 12:50:18 2009 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:50:18 +0200 Subject: Ain't it funny.. References: <69a2e4550905050052g21a03773o2b0232c243bfbf38@mail.gmail.com> <20090505080900.GA26732@roque.1407.org> Message-ID: <20090505125018.2affcdd2@penguin.cz> >Edit /etc/paroli.cfg (or /etc/paroli/paroli.conf, look for it since I >don't know from heart and the phone is in another room), and set to >true the activated status of "advanced" and restart paroli. lol a few corrections only: in /etc/paroli/paroli.conf enable settings: [settings] activated = True >Then press aux for about 2 seconds until the menu appears, select >phone, then profile, then illume. WARNING: be tolerant and wait a few >seconds (maybe 10 at most) until the UI stabilizes. select display -> profile and click on paroli, it will change to illume >Have fun! yes :) -- Petr Van?k From marcus.bauer at gmail.com Tue May 5 12:58:58 2009 From: marcus.bauer at gmail.com (Marcus Bauer) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:58:58 +0200 Subject: hackable:1 - new release In-Reply-To: <843abjrfmu.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <20090505122617.3bc40015@one> <843abjrfmu.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <20090505125858.222a4b5c@one> On Tue, 05 May 2009 13:46:49 +0300 Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > What debian repo should I add to sources.list to get the source code > of woosh? Neither Currently only the tarball is available. You can get it from the woosh wiki page: http://trac.hackable1.org/trac/wiki/WooshBrowser Once I have a few hours of time I will clean and restructure the source and add it to svn. Most wanted features are finger scroll and text zoom. Marcus From tanuva at googlemail.com Tue May 5 13:09:57 2009 From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:09:57 +0200 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905051309.57370.tanuva@gmail.com> Am Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 08:27:59 schrieb Risto H. Kurppa: > OM2009 testing 2 was released some days ago. So far ~3 e-mails on the > list about it. > New version of Mokomaze was released some days ago, too. Around 50 > mails. To me this tells that people are more interested in Mokomaze > than OM2009. I just prefer Debian over all these opkg-based distros because I love apt and the huge Debian repositories (besides also having sid on my desktop). Opkg-packaged software is being spread over various repos which one shouldn't mix too much and opkg simply feels ... unfriendly. On the other hand the fso stuff for example (not even thinking about elementary) gets packaged for opkg first and later for Debian, but there's always a downside... :) -- Marcel From pander at users.sourceforge.net Tue May 5 13:31:47 2009 From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 13:31:47 +0200 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <200905051309.57370.tanuva@gmail.com> References: <200905051309.57370.tanuva@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A0023A3.9010800@users.sourceforge.net> Marcel wrote: > Am Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 08:27:59 schrieb Risto H. Kurppa: >> OM2009 testing 2 was released some days ago. So far ~3 e-mails on the >> list about it. >> New version of Mokomaze was released some days ago, too. Around 50 >> mails. To me this tells that people are more interested in Mokomaze >> than OM2009. > > I just prefer Debian over all these opkg-based distros because I love apt > and the huge Debian repositories (besides also having sid on my desktop). > Opkg-packaged software is being spread over various repos which one > shouldn't mix too much and opkg simply feels ... unfriendly. On the other > hand the fso stuff for example (not even thinking about elementary) gets > packaged for opkg first and later for Debian, but there's always a > downside... :) For better compatability between deb and opkg, I am still in favour of using the debian/ubuntu categories in opkg. See this thread from December: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/038472.html and http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/038546.html > > -- > Marcel > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue May 5 13:35:26 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:35:26 +0000 Subject: SHR-testing 2009-05-02 broken? In-Reply-To: <20090504173948.76027l1v9cm6r3v8@w0.mail.sapo.pt> References: <20090504165412.69eec0d4@blunt.home> <200905041607.38364.david@garabana.com> <20090504171149.1cdb2e20@blunt.home> <1241449019.6888.237.camel@alap> <20090504173948.76027l1v9cm6r3v8@w0.mail.sapo.pt> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770905050435h74eb59a0l9d5d4475aa587b26@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/4 Vasco N?voa : > That's not all that broke. > I "opkg upgrade"d today, and shr-testing wouldn't launch X11 after a reboot. > It is looking for a bunch of modules named > "/usr/lib/evas/modules/*/*/linux-gnueabi-arm-ver-pre-01/module.so", > but the only ones that exist are > "/usr/lib/evas/modules/*/*/linux-gnueabi-arm/module.so" > So I linked the directories that do exist with the names that it is > looking for, and it is working again. > > Why is X11 looking for "linux-gnueabi-arm-ver-pre-01" instead of > "linux-gnueabi-arm", and why doesn't my system have it? someone upstream changed the name of the e packages, and opkg update + opkg upgrade is now broken. apparently the only way to get the new shr-testing is to re-flash, or do what you've done or wait till it's fixed by shr From david at tuxbrain.com Tue May 5 13:57:20 2009 From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:57:20 +0200 Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: <1241507663153-2791397.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <49F314F6.7080909@techworks.ie> <1241102922.4928.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FCBD4A.5050600@web.de> <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> <1241311345.8395.9.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241440377.4551.4.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241442862.4551.7.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FF0B56.20507@techworks.ie> <5c6ceea80905041603o6ca4161fmeb8e009635408e98@mail.gmail.com> <1241507663153-2791397.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5c6ceea80905050457u592bbecak902478b642dc285e@mail.gmail.com> Nevertheless we will move forward with the solar chargers :), maybe some one wants to use the neo in the deep jungle :) 2009/5/5 vale : > > i would look at dealextreme.com there are many external battery packs which > are much cheaper! > > i have http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.9871 which really does not > have 10000mAh like it claims, but i can charge my freerunner about 1.5 to 2 > times without problem and thats all i need. comes with mini-usb adapter and > free shipping so its about: 14 Euros. > > There are many more on the website: > http://www.dealextreme.com/search.dx/search.external%20battery > > You have to put freerunner to force fast charge with 500mA to load ... > > Greetings > > vale > -- > View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Solar-charger-%28was-Re%3A-News-Openmoko-Shop-Pulster%29-tp2708769p2791397.html > Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! From mickey at vanille-media.de Tue May 5 13:57:35 2009 From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:57:35 +0200 Subject: FrOSCon 2009: Call for Participation In-Reply-To: <20090505105903.3bc701ba.david@roetzel.de> References: <20090505105903.3bc701ba.david@roetzel.de> Message-ID: <200905051357.35789.mickey@vanille-media.de> On Tuesday 05 May 2009 10:59:03 David Roetzel wrote: > Today, we also started a Call for Projects. At > https://callforprojects.froscon.org you can register a booth or apply > for a developer room. Developer rooms are provided for projects that > want to organize their own track of talks or simply use the > infrastracture for internal meetings, hack sessions etc. That would be a great opportunity in my opinion. While I have too much on my back to organize it, if some of you guys can pull a hacking session / developer/user meeting off, I'd love to be there. :M: From cgagneraud at techworks.ie Tue May 5 14:13:30 2009 From: cgagneraud at techworks.ie (Christian Gagneraud) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 13:13:30 +0100 Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80905050457u592bbecak902478b642dc285e@mail.gmail.com> References: <49F314F6.7080909@techworks.ie> <1241102922.4928.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FCBD4A.5050600@web.de> <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> <1241311345.8395.9.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241440377.4551.4.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241442862.4551.7.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FF0B56.20507@techworks.ie> <5c6ceea80905041603o6ca4161fmeb8e009635408e98@mail.gmail.com> <1241507663153-2791397.post@n2.nabble.com> <5c6ceea80905050457u592bbecak902478b642dc285e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A002D6A.1050705@techworks.ie> David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: > Nevertheless we will move forward with the solar chargers :), maybe > some one wants to use the neo in the deep jungle :) Yeah, why not! :) I never went to the deep jungle, but i like to make trips in the wild, with just my bike and my tent, and the solar charger is the only solution to keep my GPS up and running for several days/weeks. More seriously, what about making an "announce" email in a new thread (this thread of discussion is getting quite long), so that people can manifest their interest and propose some tests to be carried on the solar charger you have selected. I'm really glad we are going forward on this! Chris > > 2009/5/5 vale : >> i would look at dealextreme.com there are many external battery packs which >> are much cheaper! >> >> i have http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.9871 which really does not >> have 10000mAh like it claims, but i can charge my freerunner about 1.5 to 2 >> times without problem and thats all i need. comes with mini-usb adapter and >> free shipping so its about: 14 Euros. >> >> There are many more on the website: >> http://www.dealextreme.com/search.dx/search.external%20battery >> >> You have to put freerunner to force fast charge with 500mA to load ... >> >> Greetings >> >> vale >> -- >> View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Solar-charger-%28was-Re%3A-News-Openmoko-Shop-Pulster%29-tp2708769p2791397.html >> Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue May 5 14:19:53 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:19:53 +0000 Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: <4A002D6A.1050705@techworks.ie> References: <49F314F6.7080909@techworks.ie> <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> <1241311345.8395.9.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241440377.4551.4.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241442862.4551.7.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FF0B56.20507@techworks.ie> <5c6ceea80905041603o6ca4161fmeb8e009635408e98@mail.gmail.com> <1241507663153-2791397.post@n2.nabble.com> <5c6ceea80905050457u592bbecak902478b642dc285e@mail.gmail.com> <4A002D6A.1050705@techworks.ie> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770905050519l7da64e0bs250ec0831f5b6a7d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/5 Christian Gagneraud : > Yeah, why not! :) I never went to the deep jungle, but i like to make > trips in the wild, with just my bike and my tent, and the solar > charger is the only solution to keep my GPS up and running for several > days/weeks. or a hand-crank charger imo, this is a more reliable way of charging the battery - it'll work anywhere (in a building, underground, when it's raining), anytime (night) and is going to produce a bigger current than this size of solar panel does anyone know of any decent crank chargers that will output over usb? From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Tue May 5 14:20:44 2009 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 15:20:44 +0300 Subject: hackable:1 - new release In-Reply-To: <20090505125858.222a4b5c@one> (Marcus Bauer's message of "Tue, 5 May 2009 12:58:58 +0200") References: <20090505122617.3bc40015@one> <843abjrfmu.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20090505125858.222a4b5c@one> Message-ID: <84y6tbpwpv.fsf@sauna.l.org> Marcus Bauer writes: > Currently only the tarball is available. You can get it from the woosh > wiki page: That has several files that are autogenerated with the glade tool. They are not modifiable source code. I asked the author for the glade project files and got them but afaik they are not available on that wiki page. I'm kind of trying to hint here that it'd be nice if you checked that the programs you distribute really contain source code so that they can be modified. From jeroenbreg at hotmail.com Tue May 5 14:56:03 2009 From: jeroenbreg at hotmail.com (Tha_Man) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 05:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: hackable:1 - new release In-Reply-To: <20090505122617.3bc40015@one> References: <20090505122617.3bc40015@one> Message-ID: <1241528163536-2793787.post@n2.nabble.com> Marcus Bauer-2 wrote: > > > Hello Openmoko Community, > > a new release of hackable:1 is available! > > ... > > This is great news!! I've been looking forward to this so much, I think Debian is the most powerful OS for the FR and H1 certainly has my preference amongst the other distro's. I've tried the rev4-preview last weekend, works great en is blazingly fast compared to rev3 (IMO). Interface looks great and the best thing of all: it's very easy to add, modify or remove programs. There is however one thing that prevents me from using my FR as a daily phone (based on rev4-preview): http://trac.hackable1.org/trac/ticket/52 ticket #52 . I tried both Qi (andy's latest) and U-boot (from NOR, I believe) and in both cases the contacts app fails to recognize the '+' in front of the phone numbers of (all) my contacts and more importantly I never see *all* my contacts in the contact list! I use the latest moko11 firmware update btw, as I read on the ticket-page this might be related. It seems (not sure) that when using U-boot I see more contacts (about 30) than when using Qi (about 20), but I'm not entirely sure. Can you tell me if this bug is well know, if it is already fixed in rev4-rc1 or planned to be fixed in the near feature? I've tested with rev4-preview, I haven't had the time to fully test rev4-rc1. Please keep up the great work!! Cheers, Jeroen a.k.a. Tha_Man -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/hackable%3A1---new-release-tp2792131p2793787.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From leonardo at lilik.it Tue May 5 15:03:21 2009 From: leonardo at lilik.it (leonardo) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 15:03:21 +0200 Subject: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 11 In-Reply-To: References: <49FECA1E.70307@yahoo.it> <60567dcc0905040421y1e65cbacuc9b9a6efdaf5082@mail.gmail.com> <49FEE730.7070508@lilik.it> Message-ID: <4A003919.1070402@lilik.it> Lorn Potter ha scritto: > The order of numbers on a new contact is this: > > Mobile, Home > > But listed on the details page as this: > Home > Mobile. > > When I tested this, and created a new sms, I got the Mobile number. I have contacts that I imported from Qtopia that have home number, a "home mobile" but no simple mobile number. In these cases the home number comes before then the home mobile. >> It's in my to-do list after the visual feedback on the keyboard. > > Having to choose would add a few more clicks to actually sending an sms. > But, being able to choose between "business mobile" and "mobile" might > mean the difference between a won contract and a kick in the pants. so the logic might be "if you have only fixed number do not let me chose, if there is more then a mobile, let me chose". ciao, leonardo. -- http://leonardo.lilik.it Key fingerprint = 2C20 A587 05AC 42E5 1292 D0D4 3EED CFB5 52FD AD1E From mbauer at bearstech.com Tue May 5 15:03:43 2009 From: mbauer at bearstech.com (Marcus Bauer) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:03:43 +0200 Subject: hackable:1 - new release In-Reply-To: <84y6tbpwpv.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <20090505122617.3bc40015@one> <843abjrfmu.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20090505125858.222a4b5c@one> <84y6tbpwpv.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <20090505150343.59bcb58d@one> On Tue, 05 May 2009 15:20:44 +0300 Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > Marcus Bauer writes: > > Currently only the tarball is available. You can get it from the > > woosh wiki page: > > That has several files that are autogenerated with the glade > tool. They are not modifiable source code. Yes, they are :-) It is just a hint for a developer using glade to not edit those files because glade simply overwrites them again. But naturally you can modify them. It is like if there was a comment "Go and buy a bottle of Coke, now!". You wouldn't have to do that ;-) There was a discussion on debian-legal not long ago about this very comment from glade and consensus was that it has no importance. Regards, Marcus From hersche at puzzle.ch Tue May 5 15:09:25 2009 From: hersche at puzzle.ch (Vinzenz Hersche) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:09:25 +0200 Subject: hackable:1 - new release In-Reply-To: <20090505122617.3bc40015@one> References: <20090505122617.3bc40015@one> Message-ID: <200905051509.26563.hersche@puzzle.ch> yeah, this release rocks! :D just one question.. is it possible to import vcard and ics-files? if it is, its my new favourite :) greets On Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 12.26:17 Marcus Bauer wrote: > Hello Openmoko Community, > > a new release of hackable:1 is available! We have been working hard on > ironing out bugs and making it a lot more usable and I am proud to > announce that we have come a long way. Several developers are now using > it as daily phone and internet device - so we are eating our own > dogfood. > > hackable:1 now offers phone functionality and sms plus a full PIM suite > consisting of contacts, calendar and todo list manager, plus a > timesheet time tracker application. > > For internet use we have added a new browser optimised for small > screens and speed. It is based on webkit and supports javascript and > allows for quick access of all major functions. The Feedreader has been > overhauled and comes with a set of predefined open source feeds to > which you can add more to your personal liking. > > The default keyboard is "hackers" keyboard, i.e. for stylus use > with all special characters quickly accessible. This allows for both, > quickly typing an sms as well as using the command line effectively. > > hackable:1 is based on Debian Lenny thus 25.000 packages are only an > apt-get far away. Many packages especially for development are > pre-installed - compiler, linker, build tools, dev-libraries are > already there for a quick start into development right on the phone, > just in minutes. > > > Changes since the last release (rev3) > ===================================== > > * plenty of fixes to gsmd and phone-kit > * finger scroll works well now, no longer unwanted application starts > * plenty of fixes to the hackers keyboard - no more double key presses > * fully Lenny based > * added new browser "woosh" > * updated feedreader > * added calendar, todo, gallery > * well working autorotate > * and much, much more... > > > How to install it > ================= > hackable:1 is running from SD card, thus you can easily check it out as > it wont touch your installation in flash of the phone. Simply untar it > onto a SD card, pop the SD card into the phone and boot from it. > > The steps are: > - format a 1GB+ SD card with 8MB fat and the rest ext2 > - untar the two tarballs > - boot from the SD card > > The detailed steps for installation are here: > http://www.hackable1.org/wiki/Installation > > > Technology > ========== > The hackable:1 apps are GTK+ and C for speed, however there is no > restriction. You like qt, e, f or g? You like python, perl or erlang? > Welcome on board, this is open source/free software and freedom is > about choice. Pick your poison! As of now the applications are a > mixture of finger-based and stylus based whichever seems to fit best. > > > What to expect > ============== > There will still be bugs. Some apps are not fully optimized for > usability. But it is usable as phone, as PDA and as internet device. > It is a community project, you can easily join, voice your opinion and > add code and applications. The R&D department of Bearstech -the french > distributor of the Openmoko Freerunners- is sponsoring the development, > Bearstech is using it as base for various VAR projects and > subsequently Bearstech wants to give back and is commited to the free > software community. > > > What does it look like in action > ================================ > Go to youtube and see yourself: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izww_4Z421g > > > Have fun! > > Marcus - on behalf of the hackable:1 team and community > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From nytowl at openmoko.org Tue May 5 15:12:25 2009 From: nytowl at openmoko.org (Angus Ainslie) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 07:12:25 -0600 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <1241510653972-2791563.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <5c6ceea80905050019j44156bdahff31b53707dc3810@mail.gmail.com> <1241510653972-2791563.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1241529145.6888.241.camel@alap> On Tue, 2009-05-05 at 01:04 -0700, KaZeR wrote: > > I'll try to test OM2009 soon, because, you're right, it needs user feedback. > But i didn't really want to wipe my working phone. > > You could always use the .tar.gz on an sd card ( It boots way faster that way anyway :) Angus From mbauer at bearstech.com Tue May 5 15:18:18 2009 From: mbauer at bearstech.com (Marcus Bauer) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:18:18 +0200 Subject: hackable:1 - new release In-Reply-To: <1241528163536-2793787.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <20090505122617.3bc40015@one> <1241528163536-2793787.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20090505151818.19ee22c7@one> On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Tha_Man wrote: > There is however one thing that prevents me from using my FR as a > daily phone (based on rev4-preview): > http://trac.hackable1.org/trac/ticket/52 ticket #52 . > > Can you tell me if this bug is well know, if it is already fixed in > rev4-rc1 or planned to be fixed in the near feature? We'll have a look into it this week as some of the devs are meeting. With a bit of luck it gets squashed in the next ten days. Marcus From mbauer at bearstech.com Tue May 5 15:24:15 2009 From: mbauer at bearstech.com (Marcus Bauer) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:24:15 +0200 Subject: hackable:1 - new release In-Reply-To: <200905051509.26563.hersche@puzzle.ch> References: <20090505122617.3bc40015@one> <200905051509.26563.hersche@puzzle.ch> Message-ID: <20090505152415.2f76d73a@one> On Tue, 5 May 2009 15:09:25 +0200 Vinzenz Hersche wrote: > yeah, this release rocks! :D > > just one question.. is it possible to import vcard and ics-files? > if it is, its my new favourite :) We haven't yet looke into it, but it is based on e-d-s and thus there are already ics and vcard files around and I'm sure there are apps out there for syncing with evolution. Otherwise probably a bit of shell/perl/python will do the trick. Look in ~/.evolution/ for the .ics files journal.ics, calendar.ics, tasks.ics. The evolution data server must be stopped when you edit them or it may overwrite them later on. HTH Marcus From cyberfrag at gmx.net Tue May 5 15:25:23 2009 From: cyberfrag at gmx.net (Andreas Fischer) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 15:25:23 +0200 Subject: copy a file from smartphone to pc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A003E43.8000804@gmx.net> Anas Alzouhbi wrote: > Hello! > I want to transfer a file from my smartphone to the pc, for exemple > the file name is toto4 and the username of my pc is elzouebi > I runned this command > scp toto4 elzouebi at 192.168.0.200 , it created a file called > elzouebi at 192.168.0.200 on the smartphone :( You forgot the trailing ':' - the command should read: scp toto4 elzouebi at 192.168.0.200: (the colon is what scp uses to detect a remote location, apparently) > also I runned this command > scp totot4 elzouebi at 192.168.0.200:sender, sender is a folder on my pc Is it a folder in the home folder of "elzouebi", i.e. is it ~elzouebi/sender ? Else you have to give the full path after the colon. > I obtained this error messaj > WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-x' > WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-oForwardAgent no' > WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-oPermitLocalCommand no' > WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-oClearAllForwardings yes' > /usr/bin/dbclient: exited: Error connecting: Connection refused > lost connection Is there a ssh server running on your home pc? > what should I do, to copy a file from the smarphone to the pc Why not go the inverse road? Copy the file from your pc with: scp root at 192.168.0.202:/path/to/toto4 . If you're on Windows, you can also use WinSCP for that. Regards, Andreas Fischer From eildert.groeneveld at onlinehome.de Tue May 5 15:28:34 2009 From: eildert.groeneveld at onlinehome.de (Eildert Groeneveld) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:28:34 +0200 Subject: hackable:1 - new release In-Reply-To: <20090505150343.59bcb58d@one> References: <20090505122617.3bc40015@one> <84y6tbpwpv.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20090505150343.59bcb58d@one> Message-ID: <200905051528.34466.eildert.groeneveld@onlinehome.de> All very nice!!! Is there a list of FR adapted (i.e. fingerfriendly) applications? If yes I can answer th next question myself: - a music player that works - an alarm that also works who can help? Eildert From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Tue May 5 15:33:50 2009 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 16:33:50 +0300 Subject: hackable:1 - new release In-Reply-To: <20090505150343.59bcb58d@one> (Marcus Bauer's message of "Tue, 5 May 2009 15:03:43 +0200") References: <20090505122617.3bc40015@one> <843abjrfmu.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20090505125858.222a4b5c@one> <84y6tbpwpv.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20090505150343.59bcb58d@one> Message-ID: <84tz3zptc1.fsf@sauna.l.org> Marcus Bauer writes: > But naturally you can modify them. It is like if there was a comment > "Go and buy a bottle of Coke, now!". You wouldn't have to do that ;-) > > There was a discussion on debian-legal not long ago about this very > comment from glade and consensus was that it has no importance. Was that concensus for the general case of all automatically generated files or just the specific case where the files have been modified by hand after being generated? http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/08/msg00177.html From hersche at puzzle.ch Tue May 5 16:19:22 2009 From: hersche at puzzle.ch (Vinzenz Hersche) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:19:22 +0200 Subject: hackable:1 - new release In-Reply-To: <20090505152415.2f76d73a@one> References: <20090505122617.3bc40015@one> <200905051509.26563.hersche@puzzle.ch> <20090505152415.2f76d73a@one> Message-ID: <200905051619.22734.hersche@puzzle.ch> yes, this work's.. bsw, the contacts are in a special db.. so i import these in the normal evolution as vcf, this saved the contacts also as a .db-file and i copy this. i don't know, how i could restart/stop/start the evolution-data- server, but i restarted simply the hole moko.. if you could say me this, i could make a little script to import things.. but i had also 2 other questions.. how could i change the language? i saw diffrent languages by the installation and also in the desktop-file.. but i never saw a option to handle this. second question is about claw-mail.. i had a mail-server with a "broken" ssl- certificate (signet by cacert).. i was deleting the old account and make a new, tipped in the server, the user, the password, under ssl i sayed it should use ssl for both (recive and send) and under advanced options i give them port 993 (recive) and 465 (send), but it doesn't recive anything. i think, it could be something with the "broken" certificate.. is there a reason? and last but not least.. i was searching the wifi-client and found it, but i think, it's better when it's appeared in the menu, just for normal users.. so i send also the desktopfile as attatchement, if you want to use it.. :) for other users who want use it, it's for /usr/share/applications , copy this there and the icon appears.. PS: the thing about the mail isn't definently a failure of the server, cause this works with all other clients :) On Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 15.24:15 Marcus Bauer wrote: > On Tue, 5 May 2009 15:09:25 +0200 > > Vinzenz Hersche wrote: > > yeah, this release rocks! :D > > > > just one question.. is it possible to import vcard and ics-files? > > if it is, its my new favourite :) > > We haven't yet looke into it, but it is based on e-d-s and thus there > are already ics and vcard files around and I'm sure there are apps out > there for syncing with evolution. > > Otherwise probably a bit of shell/perl/python will do the trick. > > Look in ~/.evolution/ for the .ics files journal.ics, calendar.ics, > tasks.ics. The evolution data server must be stopped when you edit them > or it may overwrite them later on. > > HTH > Marcus > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wifi-radar.desktop Type: application/x-desktop Size: 288 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090505/031d69c7/attachment.bin From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Tue May 5 16:52:24 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 07:52:24 -0700 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <1241529145.6888.241.camel@alap> References: <5c6ceea80905050019j44156bdahff31b53707dc3810@mail.gmail.com> <1241510653972-2791563.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241529145.6888.241.camel@alap> Message-ID: i barely use my phone so openmoko is working great as a ogg and gps tool. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Angus Ainslie wrote: > On Tue, 2009-05-05 at 01:04 -0700, KaZeR wrote: >> >> I'll try to test OM2009 soon, because, you're right, it needs user feedback. >> But i didn't really want to wipe my working phone. >> >> > > You could always use the .tar.gz on an sd card ( It boots way faster > that way anyway :) > > Angus > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Tue May 5 16:55:23 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 07:55:23 -0700 Subject: copy a file from smartphone to pc In-Reply-To: <958244340905050309m62c3a67fr2e801ddc0d9e0473@mail.gmail.com> References: <958244340905050309m62c3a67fr2e801ddc0d9e0473@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ooooo so thats the ftp command. thanks joseph! On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 3:09 AM, Joseph Reeves wrote: > You don't say what OS you're running on your PC, but assuming it's > something half-modern and Linux based, open a file browser (I use > nautilus) and type in the address bar: > > sftp://root@[ip address of phone] > > [ip address of phone] is usually 192.168.0.202 > > Cheers, Joseph > > > > 2009/5/5 Anas Alzouhbi : >> Hello! >> I want to transfer a file from my smartphone to the pc, for exemple >> the file name is toto4 and the username of my pc is elzouebi >> I runned this command >> scp toto4 elzouebi at 192.168.0.200 , it created a file called >> elzouebi at 192.168.0.200 on the smartphone :( >> also I runned this command >> scp totot4 elzouebi at 192.168.0.200:sender, sender is a folder on my pc >> I obtained this error messaj >> WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-x' >> WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-oForwardAgent no' >> WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-oPermitLocalCommand no' >> WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-oClearAllForwardings yes' >> /usr/bin/dbclient: exited: Error connecting: Connection refused >> lost connection >> >> what should I do, to copy a file from the smarphone to the pc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From lida_mail at 163.com Tue May 5 17:21:05 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 23:21:05 +0800 Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: <49FF0B56.20507@techworks.ie> References: <49F314F6.7080909@techworks.ie> <1240669817.15742.0.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F33389.5050408@techworks.ie> <1241092741.4305.21.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9A084.301@ferrieres.org> <1241098126.4928.6.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9B7B9.4000300@techworks.ie> <1241102922.4928.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FCBD4A.5050600@web.de> <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> <1241311345.8395.9.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241440377.4551.4.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241442862.4551.7.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FF0B56.20507@techworks.ie> Message-ID: <1241536865.9424.15.camel@daniel-laptop> On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 16:35 +0100, Christian Gagneraud wrote: > > latest news from factory. > > > > YL-S01: 26.47 USD 2400mAh/3.7V > > YL-S02: 20.59 USD 1800mAh/3.7V > > YL-S03: 10.00 USD 1350mAH/3.7V > > Hi Daniel, > > I use to use this kind of solar charger (a YB-E5008) during my last > holidays (3 weeks in Iceland, by bike), and i can tell you that they > are not suitable for smartphone. I couldn't keep my Nokia N95/8GB > charged. > When they say that you can charge your solar charger with sun light > in > 8/12H, it means actually 8/12h exposed under the sun light at its > zenith, on the equator of the earth! > By experience, i can tell you that you will need _at least_ two sunny > days to get it charged properly (during which you took care of > orienting the charger as the sun moves). Thanks for you info. And it's very useful. I found that YB-E5008 has only 3.6V/1100mAH. http://y-toshenzhentech.itm.com.cn/532951/solar-charge-yb-e5008-for-mobile-phone-mp34.htm Well, I have to re-check it with factory before I buy one :) > > You have to be aware of these constraints as well: > - You can't charge your phone while you charge the charger itself YL-S** series can charge your phone when the charger is charged with solar energy board :) > - If the charger is not fully charge (the light is not green), it > won't charge your phone, _at all_! Humm, I have checked with factory. LED of YL-S** series only indicates how much battery is left. And even it shows red, it can still charge the FR. 70%-100% Green 30%-70% Orange 0%-30% red Of course, I think we had better to test it. And I think you are right the higher capacity the better :) > > As well, i would advice to use a charger which has at least 2 times > the capacity of your phone (FR has a 3.7V/1200mAh battery). > > On the 3 chargers you propose here, and the 3 chargers i've proposed > earlier, i would be only interested in 2 of them:, the SC019 and the > SC020, mainly because these are the only ones which has internal > battery with a capacity >= 3000Ah Yeah, I have checked with them again. They have larger capacity 3.0/3.5/4.0Ah But the price is a little bit higher. :) > > Regards, > Chris > -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From lida_mail at 163.com Tue May 5 17:25:59 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 23:25:59 +0800 Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80905041603o6ca4161fmeb8e009635408e98@mail.gmail.com> References: <1241098126.4928.6.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9B7B9.4000300@techworks.ie> <1241102922.4928.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FCBD4A.5050600@web.de> <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> <1241311345.8395.9.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241440377.4551.4.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241442862.4551.7.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FF0B56.20507@techworks.ie> <5c6ceea80905041603o6ca4161fmeb8e009635408e98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241537159.9424.19.camel@daniel-laptop> On Tue, 2009-05-05 at 01:03 +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: > You can suggest what test do you like to be performed and I will > publish the results on that wiki. Excellent! A link is appreciated here. Thanks > So the due the other YL series doesn't has more than 2400mAh They have larger capacity. 3.0/3.5/4.0 price is a little bit higher. > and to > avoid more shipping/customs costs (really expesive from china). Humm.... I'm in China. Seems good for me to buy one :) > I > think does't worth the effort to try to buy samples from them. > I'll try to see what I can do. But I don't know how to test if I got one. :( > I will keep you informed about the progress of the plan :) -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt Tue May 5 17:38:36 2009 From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (Vasco =?iso-8859-15?b?Tul2b2E=?=) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 16:38:36 +0100 Subject: SHR-testing 2009-05-02 broken? In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770905050435h74eb59a0l9d5d4475aa587b26@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090504165412.69eec0d4@blunt.home> <200905041607.38364.david@garabana.com> <20090504171149.1cdb2e20@blunt.home> <1241449019.6888.237.camel@alap> <20090504173948.76027l1v9cm6r3v8@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <2f3aa2770905050435h74eb59a0l9d5d4475aa587b26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090505163836.24347rkk1avd0zng@w0.mail.sapo.pt> I had to reflash because DBUS wasn't running the way it should and so all the phone apps were broken. :( But now the new kernel broke the windows USB connectivity again!!! Aaarrgghh!! Citando Robin Paulson : > 2009/5/4 Vasco N?voa : >> That's not all that broke. >> I "opkg upgrade"d today, and shr-testing wouldn't launch X11 after a reboot. >> It is looking for a bunch of modules named >> "/usr/lib/evas/modules/*/*/linux-gnueabi-arm-ver-pre-01/module.so", >> but the only ones that exist are >> "/usr/lib/evas/modules/*/*/linux-gnueabi-arm/module.so" >> So I linked the directories that do exist with the names that it is >> looking for, and it is working again. >> >> Why is X11 looking for "linux-gnueabi-arm-ver-pre-01" instead of >> "linux-gnueabi-arm", and why doesn't my system have it? > > someone upstream changed the name of the e packages, and opkg update + > opkg upgrade is now broken. > > apparently the only way to get the new shr-testing is to re-flash, or > do what you've done > > or wait till it's fixed by shr > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From david.moko.comunity at gmail.com Tue May 5 18:38:42 2009 From: david.moko.comunity at gmail.com (Mile Davidovic) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 18:38:42 +0200 Subject: OpenMoko and LCD TV Message-ID: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Yesterday I accidentally put my OM phone near LCD TV (Samsung). SW on OM is QT Extended and when I press power button (to wake up mobile) TV immediately turn off. I tried again and TV changed channel. So, on my phone this behavioure is repeatable. Is it normal behavioure? Thanks in advance Mile -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090505/e57ca101/attachment.htm From tanuva at googlemail.com Tue May 5 18:50:22 2009 From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 18:50:22 +0200 Subject: OpenMoko and LCD TV In-Reply-To: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200905051850.22956.tanuva@gmail.com> Am Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 18:38:42 schrieb Mile Davidovic: > Hello, > > Yesterday I accidentally put my OM phone near LCD TV (Samsung). > > SW on OM is QT Extended and when I press power button (to wake up > mobile) TV immediately turn off. > > I tried again and TV changed channel. So, on my phone this behavioure > is repeatable. If the neo had an infrared led I'd have guessed it sends some random signal, but since it does not... Voodoo... ?_? Seriously: Electromagnetic fields? GSM? I really have to try that with my TV... -- Marcel From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Tue May 5 18:57:17 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:57:17 +0100 Subject: OpenMoko and LCD TV In-Reply-To: <200905051850.22956.tanuva@gmail.com> References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> <200905051850.22956.tanuva@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4126b3450905050957l53674cb4ra19983aed397984d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/5 Marcel > Am Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 18:38:42 schrieb Mile Davidovic: > > Yesterday I accidentally put my OM phone near LCD TV (Samsung). > > > > SW on OM is QT Extended and when I press power button (to wake up > > mobile) TV immediately turn off. > > > > I tried again and TV changed channel. So, on my phone this behavioure > > is repeatable. > > If the neo had an infrared led I'd have guessed it sends some random > signal, but since it does not... Voodoo... ?_? > Seriously: Electromagnetic fields? GSM? I really have to try that with my > TV... There are various standards that define the kinds/amount of EMI that an electrical device must: (1) be able to cope with, and/or (2) not produce in excess of. It sounds like either your OM or your TV might not be fully compliant. Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090505/83196446/attachment.htm From ant007h at gmail.com Tue May 5 19:01:32 2009 From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <20607da10905041739w4f1d9cfeu1c05068e181f2310@mail.gmail.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090503192559.4f205aa5@blunt.home> <1241371840448-2778417.post@n2.nabble.com> <20607da10905041739w4f1d9cfeu1c05068e181f2310@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241542892080-2800188.post@n2.nabble.com> Denis Johnson >is it possible to expose some of the physics settings to the user ? Yes, but it is not planned yet. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2800188.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ant007h at gmail.com Tue May 5 19:03:26 2009 From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mokomaze] Two bugreports and a feature-request (was: Re: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released) In-Reply-To: <200905041712.22097.tanuva@gmail.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905022023.01387.tanuva@gmail.com> <1241384679627-2782990.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241413556692-2785659.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905041712.22097.tanuva@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241543006157-2800244.post@n2.nabble.com> Marcel-2 >So sid's ODE package is kinda useless for us because we need single >precision, correct? Yes, I think so. >build our own ODE 0.11 with single precision... I've already packed it. But it would be great to have properly-packed version in pkg-fso repository. The Digital Pioneer >if you could just do everything in ints, that would be best. Is there any way to pull that off? There is no integer-only version of ODE. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2800244.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From cgagneraud at techworks.ie Tue May 5 19:13:36 2009 From: cgagneraud at techworks.ie (Christian Gagneraud) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 18:13:36 +0100 Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: <1241536865.9424.15.camel@daniel-laptop> References: <49F314F6.7080909@techworks.ie> <1240669817.15742.0.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F33389.5050408@techworks.ie> <1241092741.4305.21.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9A084.301@ferrieres.org> <1241098126.4928.6.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9B7B9.4000300@techworks.ie> <1241102922.4928.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FCBD4A.5050600@web.de> <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> <1241311345.8395.9.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241440377.4551.4.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241442862.4551.7.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FF0B56.20507@techworks.ie> <1241536865.9424.15.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: <4A0073C0.80605@techworks.ie> Daniel.Li wrote: > On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 16:35 +0100, Christian Gagneraud wrote: >>> latest news from factory. >>> >>> YL-S01: 26.47 USD 2400mAh/3.7V >>> YL-S02: 20.59 USD 1800mAh/3.7V >>> YL-S03: 10.00 USD 1350mAH/3.7V >> Hi Daniel, >> >> I use to use this kind of solar charger (a YB-E5008) during my last >> holidays (3 weeks in Iceland, by bike), and i can tell you that they >> are not suitable for smartphone. I couldn't keep my Nokia N95/8GB >> charged. >> When they say that you can charge your solar charger with sun light >> in >> 8/12H, it means actually 8/12h exposed under the sun light at its >> zenith, on the equator of the earth! >> By experience, i can tell you that you will need _at least_ two sunny >> days to get it charged properly (during which you took care of >> orienting the charger as the sun moves). > > Thanks for you info. And it's very useful. I found that YB-E5008 has > only 3.6V/1100mAH. > http://y-toshenzhentech.itm.com.cn/532951/solar-charge-yb-e5008-for-mobile-phone-mp34.htm Actually, i've looked inside my charger, and the battery is definitely a 2.1Ah. It looks like different manufacturer use same name for _almost_ the same device, yeah, almost... > > Well, I have to re-check it with factory before I buy one :) >> You have to be aware of these constraints as well: >> - You can't charge your phone while you charge the charger itself > > YL-S** series can charge your phone when the charger is charged with > solar energy board :) > >> - If the charger is not fully charge (the light is not green), it >> won't charge your phone, _at all_! > > Humm, I have checked with factory. LED of YL-S** series only indicates > how much battery is left. And even it shows red, it can still charge the > FR. Yeah, with mine i couldn't charge a N95, to tell you the truth i was very disappointed with this charger... > > 70%-100% Green > 30%-70% Orange > 0%-30% red > > Of course, I think we had better to test it. And I think you are right > the higher capacity the better :) > >> As well, i would advice to use a charger which has at least 2 times >> the capacity of your phone (FR has a 3.7V/1200mAh battery). >> >> On the 3 chargers you propose here, and the 3 chargers i've proposed >> earlier, i would be only interested in 2 of them:, the SC019 and the >> SC020, mainly because these are the only ones which has internal >> battery with a capacity >= 3000Ah > > Yeah, I have checked with them again. They have larger capacity > 3.0/3.5/4.0Ah wow, 4Ah, do you have any links? Chris > > But the price is a little bit higher. :) >> Regards, >> Chris >> From david.moko.comunity at gmail.com Tue May 5 19:13:32 2009 From: david.moko.comunity at gmail.com (Mile Davidovic) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:13:32 +0200 Subject: OpenMoko and LCD TV In-Reply-To: <4126b3450905050957l53674cb4ra19983aed397984d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> <200905051850.22956.tanuva@gmail.com> <4126b3450905050957l53674cb4ra19983aed397984d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9f2f0e730905051013s66e35b3fg4bc8168147cc889@mail.gmail.com> I agree. Luckily I have additional Samsung TV (19 inch) and 5 OM phones. I will check with more phones. Regards Mile On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Sam Kuper wrote: > 2009/5/5 Marcel > >> Am Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 18:38:42 schrieb Mile Davidovic: >> > Yesterday I accidentally put my OM phone near LCD TV (Samsung). >> > >> > SW on OM is QT Extended and when I press power button (to wake up >> > mobile) TV immediately turn off. >> > >> > I tried again and TV changed channel. So, on my phone this behavioure >> > is repeatable. >> >> If the neo had an infrared led I'd have guessed it sends some random >> signal, but since it does not... Voodoo... ?_? >> Seriously: Electromagnetic fields? GSM? I really have to try that with my >> TV... >> > > There are various standards that define the kinds/amount of EMI that an > electrical device must: (1) be able to cope with, and/or (2) not produce in > excess of. > > It sounds like either your OM or your TV might not be fully compliant. > > Sam > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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After installing libode0.9 from stable - the game trying to find libode0.11 (yes, the executable is compiled for using single-precision libode >= 0.11). So, I've packed a .deb of an up-to-date ode0.11 with single precision. Now it works and the game runs faster than on my SHR testing. NEW: I've released a new revision of the game - 0.5.1. Now .deb depends from my libode, not libode0debian1. One more feature introduced: anti-aliasing [1] Check the homepage [2]. [1] http://mokomaze.projects.openmoko.org/images/anti-aliasing.png [2] http://mokomaze.projects.openmoko.org/ -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2800527.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From david.moko.comunity at gmail.com Tue May 5 19:15:01 2009 From: david.moko.comunity at gmail.com (Mile Davidovic) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:15:01 +0200 Subject: openmoko neo shape In-Reply-To: <200904291632.17666.mickey@vanille-media.de> References: <8303.194.7.114.40.1241012485.squirrel@mail.h0m3.be> <200904291632.17666.mickey@vanille-media.de> Message-ID: <9f2f0e730905051015y325f7d26i98f93a92d623b796@mail.gmail.com> I think that is little heavy for my neck? Mile On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer < mickey at vanille-media.de> wrote: > It has been designed for the asian market, where it's pretty fashionable to > hold your phone with a strap around the neck. > > :M: > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I tried some google and I found some page which claims that backtrace is not supported in arm eabi. Also, I tried to debug some application with gdbserver and it seems that bt command does not work as expected. Do we have some wiki page about debugging OM? Kind regards Mile -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Previous version didn't have this bug. From tanuva at googlemail.com Tue May 5 19:41:00 2009 From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:41:00 +0200 Subject: [Mokomaze] Two bugreports and a feature-request (was: Re: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released) In-Reply-To: <1241543006157-2800244.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905041712.22097.tanuva@gmail.com> <1241543006157-2800244.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <200905051941.00231.tanuva@gmail.com> Am Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 19:03:26 schrieb ANT: > >build our own ODE 0.11 with single precision... > > I've already packed it. But it would be great to have properly-packed > version in pkg-fso repository. I'd love to do that, but it will take some time since I'm just beginning with packaging and won't have time to do it before next tuesday. My plan looks like making a proper, working package for mokomaze before I try something more complex to get into the process. (Hadn't intended to tell you until I had finished... ;D) I'll see how I get along. -- Marcel From kazer at altern.org Tue May 5 19:43:55 2009 From: kazer at altern.org (KaZeR) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <1241529145.6888.241.camel@alap> References: <5c6ceea80905050019j44156bdahff31b53707dc3810@mail.gmail.com> <1241510653972-2791563.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241529145.6888.241.camel@alap> Message-ID: <1241545435981-2801283.post@n2.nabble.com> Angus Ainslie-2 (via Nabble) a ?crit : > On Tue, 2009-05-05 at 01:04 -0700, KaZeR wrote: > > > > I'll try to test OM2009 soon, because, you're right, it needs user > feedback. > > But i didn't really want to wipe my working phone. > > > > > > You could always use the .tar.gz on an sd card ( It boots way faster > that way anyway :) Indeed, but i'll have to buy another uSD card. Well, it's not expensive anyway :) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Ain%27t-it-funny..-tp2791276p2801283.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From vanous at penguin.cz Tue May 5 19:49:18 2009 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:49:18 +0200 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> Message-ID: <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> Hi Angus, thank you for the info and hard work. I have been testing paroli every two to three weeks (regularly i use shr). today i have flashed the testing release 2 image and used it this afternoon. the testing release seems to be full of new features. i flashed it to nand, i use qi. >Paroli settings screen > - change illume profile ( paroli fulsscreen or illume ) great and worked, one can choose upon demand so this is good. > - GPRS settings > APN settings > enable or disable GPRS got connected instantly, just worked., great. G indication for connection is super. but i could eventually not get disconnected - had to kill paroli and eventually reboot anyways > - profile settings menu > ringtone volume > vibration on incoming call > message volume > vibration on incoming message > and others > - this needs to be enabled from /etc/paroli/paroli.cfg > as some features are still a little experimental the setting app is good. > >Tons of new feature's in the FSO framework > - Automatic timezones for mutlizone countries > - lots under the hood > check here to see all of them > http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=summary > >Bugs fixed > Power button does not shutdown device > otimed sets timezone incorrectly in large countries FSO 389 > Power status events ignored FSO 381 > feeds are incorrectly set to unstable interface is responsive and consistent. i quite like it but had to get used to it... as i say i use it every now and then. i can imagine a bit different theming but i am sure this will come and it's not a priority now. i do like the "one consistent application" approach. now issues: the buttons are too small for fingers sometimes (delete on messages, + to add a message etc.) two times (huh, now again.. so three times) the tele crashed during phone call (call did not get disconnected so i could finish it.) then paroli restart or neo restart... sending sms while off signal gave no error, but no sms saved as draft so got simply lost... operator name not displayed (did get displayed in illume shelf though) sms receiving OK the biggest issue (and this is what i was hoping would be solved) is still the loooong delay on call answer between pressing the answer button and the ring stopping and caller getting through. i actually lost one call on this. i never really understood the time changing by pressing the AUX button... and how do you set alarm time? autosuspend although enabled did not work, autodim does work >Bugs fixed > Power button does not shutdown device not for me :) i still have it on so i can do more tests if necessary... Petr From ant007h at gmail.com Tue May 5 20:10:39 2009 From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090503192559.4f205aa5@blunt.home> <1241371840448-2778417.post@n2.nabble.com> <20607da10905041739w4f1d9cfeu1c05068e181f2310@mail.gmail.com> <1241542892080-2800188.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1241547039897-2801954.post@n2.nabble.com> jeremy jozwik >...managed to get the ball >stuck in the top edge of sceen on level 1 and 4. and it does not like >to pop back out. no matter how hard you shake it : ) Johny Tenfinger >I can confirm. That bug is sometimes happening. It hapenns sometimes >when i'm holding phone in Y axis (to earth) with screen to me. I've just fixed (I hope) this problem and updated the source tarball and installation packages. If you already got 0.5.1 without this fix, please download/install it again! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2801954.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Tue May 5 20:29:07 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:29:07 +0200 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <1241547039897-2801954.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090503192559.4f205aa5@blunt.home> <1241371840448-2778417.post@n2.nabble.com> <20607da10905041739w4f1d9cfeu1c05068e181f2310@mail.gmail.com> <1241542892080-2800188.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241547039897-2801954.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 20:10, ANT wrote: > I've just fixed (I hope) this problem and updated the source tarball and > installation packages. > If you already got 0.5.1 without this fix, please download/install it again! It works, thanks :) But there is also another bug: when i'm holding FR exactly in Y axis to earth (my english isn't good enough to explain it in better way ;P) with hole up, and screen to you - ball stops. It runs again when only i move FR a little. If i'll back to that problematic position, it stops again. From unachievable at gmail.com Tue May 5 21:03:39 2009 From: unachievable at gmail.com (ivvmm) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 23:03:39 +0400 Subject: shr - messages + wsod In-Reply-To: <49EF3542.2010700@gmail.com> References: <200904161152.00320.hersche@puzzle.ch> <2accc2ff0904160858n42b29926lc96bbc8ea4becbd0@mail.gmail.com> <200904162315.16845.hersche@puzzle.ch> <3494db260904170551y63607085ob9c53c79af864bf4@mail.gmail.com> <2accc2ff0904170941m6e60eb45ld1213804f8b94075@mail.gmail.com> <3494db260904210222v34b34200naea79e666e4c450@mail.gmail.com> <20090421134646.7be9e36a@penguin.cz> <1240316832.25913.9.camel@localhost> <49EE10D1.8000708@gmail.com> <1240349229.8486.6.camel@localhost> <49EF3542.2010700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A008D8B.3020708@gmail.com> ivvmm wrote: > Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano wrote: >> Il giorno mar, 21/04/2009 alle 22.30 +0400, ivvmm ha scritto: >>> Pietro Montorfano wrote: >>>> just get back to the old 2.6.29-r2 kernel and then wsod >>>> will go away. >>> How can this be achieved? The WSOD is really getting on my nerves. >> Quite simple but "dirty": >> 1) download a tar.gz version of shr which was running and the uImage, >> let's say the one built on 10th of april, before the big upgrade. >> 2) get the /lib/modules/2.6.29-r2 dir out of the tar.gz >> 3) copy it to your FR with scp, obviously it should be in /lib/modules >> 4) run "depmod -ae" from your FR >> 5a) if you are using the flash, use dfu-util to flash the kernel >> 5b) if you are using the uSD, copy the uImage in the right place >> >> There are other ways like using opkg or something similar but, hey, this >> is simple and it's working :D >> >> Bye! >> >> Pietro >> >> > > Thank you for the solution. But why just SHR developers do not revert > the kernel packages in testing and leave newer in unstable? > > It seems that I've found the way to avoid WSOD. If is somehow connected with the backlight of the display. If you live it at 100% the WSOD will not happen. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 835 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090505/f2afd505/attachment.pgp From mirko at openmoko.com Tue May 5 21:06:20 2009 From: mirko at openmoko.com (Mirko Lindner) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 15:06:20 -0400 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> Message-ID: <4A008E2C.6000505@openmoko.com> Hi Petr, thanks for the detailed report and especially for sharing it. I already stated at the issues you mentioned and hope to report positive outcomes later this week ;) Some comments are in-line Keep it coming :=) /mirko Petr Vanek wrote: > > sending sms while off signal gave no error, but no sms saved as draft > so got simply lost... > Good point, added to my list. > operator name not displayed (did get displayed in illume shelf though) Talked about this earlier today on irc and we agreed it should be optional, so also on my list :) > > the biggest issue (and this is what i was hoping would be solved) is > still the loooong delay on call answer between pressing the answer > button and the ring stopping and caller getting through. i actually > lost one call on this. I am not entirely sure I can do much about this, as the UI is waiting for signals form the framework ... > > i never really understood the time changing by pressing the AUX > button... and how do you set alarm time? Alarm as well as Time will migrate into the settings app, which I also need to clean a bit, lots of settings laying around in current unstable. Thanks again :) From ant007h at gmail.com Tue May 5 21:24:40 2009 From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090503192559.4f205aa5@blunt.home> <1241371840448-2778417.post@n2.nabble.com> <20607da10905041739w4f1d9cfeu1c05068e181f2310@mail.gmail.com> <1241542892080-2800188.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241547039897-2801954.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1241551480409-2803775.post@n2.nabble.com> Johny Tenfinger >there is also another bug: when i'm holding FR >exactly in Y axis to earth (my english isn't good enough to explain it >in better way ;P) with hole up, and screen to you - ball stops. It >runs again when only i move FR a little. If i'll back to that >problematic position, it stops again. Ok, I've just renewed the packages again. Please reinstall it. Now the ball doesn't stops but slows down. There is no better solution yet. P.S. I hope this fixes will not break something else :P -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2803775.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From GNUtoo at no-log.org Tue May 5 21:34:36 2009 From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (GNUtoo) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 21:34:36 +0200 Subject: OpenMoko, glibc and backtrace In-Reply-To: <9f2f0e730905051019n1a6317c3x8cd4036f750e204b@mail.gmail.com> References: <9f2f0e730905051019n1a6317c3x8cd4036f750e204b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241552076.9878.6.camel@port4> On Tue, 2009-05-05 at 19:19 +0200, Mile Davidovic wrote: > Hello > I tried to use backtrace function from glibc on OM and I failed. > > I tried some google and I found some page which claims that backtrace > is not supported in arm eabi. > Also, I tried to debug some application with gdbserver and it seems > that bt command does not work as expected. > > Do we have some wiki page about debugging OM? > > Kind regards > Mile > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community hi,I tried debuging wesnoth on the openmoko and succeeded. however I was told to use svn boost wich didn't compile,I must look into it. I wrote how I've done it here: http://gnutoo.homelinux.org/blog/index.php?entry=entry090410-230918 I'll paste the content here for convenience: debugging wesnoth on the openmoko(128MB of ram) Friday, April 10, 2009, 11:09 PM - openembedded Posted by Administrator I've successfully produced a stacktrace from wesnoth under gdb on the openmoko. Here's are the problem: *gdb didn't work on the openmoko...it was related to this bugreport: http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10046 I or someone must fix it. *gdbserver->gdb did work under the openmoko...but it went out of ram while loading the symbols... There are several remainings solutions: *make it produce a coredump and load it under your desktop/laptop computer *use gdbserver(openmoko,armv4t,128MB of ram)->gdb(x86,lot of ram) *use another solution like qemu but **qemu from openmoko had problems: ***uboot didn't load the kenrel and rebooted the (virtual) machine ***qemu refused to load something else than a (virtual) flash disk **use normal qemu-system-arm with another (virtual) machine: ***or must cross-compile a system from scratch for it(using openembedded of course) ***or must use an existing system and so you need to do some hard work to make your application on it *use swap(slow and would need repartitioningworks only if you have enough space so here's the solution for the core: *check if the core dump size is illimited: # ulimit unlimited else set it to unlimited: # ulimit unlimited *then create a directory and cd into it $ mkdir cr $ cd cr *then make the application produce the core file: $ export DISPLAY=:0 $ wesnoth -f -r 480x640 --log-debug=all *then export your device's filesystem trough ssh # sshfs root at 192.168.0.202:/ /mnt/moko/ *then compile gdb for armv target: **or use openembedded: $ bitbake gdb-cross $ ~/oetmp/cross/armv4t/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gdb replace ~/oetmp by your openembedded temp dir **if you don't have openembedded use this commands: $ wget http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gdb/gdb-6.8.tar.bz2 $ tar xvzf gdb-6.8.tar.bz2 $ cd gdb-6.8 $ ./configure --target=arm-linux $ make $ cd gdb $ cp gdb ../../ $ cd ../../ $ gdb then you are into gdb: GNU gdb 6.8 Copyright (C) 2008 Free Software Foundation, Inc. License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. Type "show copying" and "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "--host=i686-pc-linux-gnu --target=arm-linux". (gdb) set sysroot /mnt/moko (gdb) file /mnt/moko/usr/bin/wesnoth Reading symbols from /mnt/moko/usr/bin/wesnoth...Reading symbols from /mnt/moko/usr/bin/.debug/wesnoth...done. done. (gdb) target core core Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/lib/libpthread.so.0 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libboost_iostreams-mt-d.so Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libboost_regex-mt-d.so Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libSDL_image-1.2.so.0 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libSDL_net-1.2.so.0 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libSDL_ttf-2.0.so.0 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so.0 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libcairo.so.2 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/lib/libdl.so.2 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libX11.so.6 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libXext.so.6 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/lib/libm.so.6 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/lib/libc.so.6 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libts-1.0.so.0 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/lib/ld-linux.so.3 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libz.so.1 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/lib/librt.so.1 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libpng12.so.0 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libXrender.so.1 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libpixman-1.so.0 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libexpat.so.1 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libXau.so.6 Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6 Reading symbols from /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1...done. Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1 Reading symbols from /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3...done. Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3 Reading symbols from /mnt/moko/usr/lib/gconv/ISO8859-1.so...done. Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/usr/lib/gconv/ISO8859-1.so Reading symbols from /mnt/moko/lib/libnss_files.so.2...done. Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/lib/libnss_files.so.2 Reading symbols from /mnt/moko/lib/libnss_dns.so.2...done. Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/lib/libnss_dns.so.2 Reading symbols from /mnt/moko/lib/libresolv.so.2...done. Loaded symbols for /mnt/moko/lib/libresolv.so.2 Core was generated by `wesnoth -f -r 480x640 --log-debug=all'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. [New process 1724] #0 0x00215c90 in std::less::operator() (this=0xcf4748, __x=@0xe59fa03c, __y=@0xbec5fddc) at /home/embedded/oetmp_openmoko/staging/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi//usr/include/c++/bits/stl_function.h:227 227 { return __x < __y; } then you only have to do a backtrace using bt note that I copied the core on the local filesystem here... update: here's the remote debugging session: # ./arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gdb GNU gdb 6.8 Copyright (C) 2008 Free Software Foundation, Inc. License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. Type "show copying" and "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "--host=i686-linux --target=arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi". (gdb) set sysroot /mnt/moko (gdb) file /mnt/moko/usr/bin/wesnoth Reading symbols from /mnt/moko/usr/bin/wesnoth...Reading symbols from /mnt/moko/usr/bin/.debug/wesnoth...done. done. (gdb) target remote 192.168.0.202:8022 Remote debugging using 192.168.0.202:8022 [New Thread 3010] 0x400007f0 in ?? () from /mnt/moko/lib/ld-linux.so.3 (gdb) c Continuing. [New Thread 3110] [New Thread 3111] Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x00215c98 in std::less::operator() (this=0xcf4748, __x=@0xe59fa03c, __y=@0xbede1dfc) at /home/embedded/oetmp_openmoko/staging/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi//usr/include/c++/bits/stl_function.h:227 227 { return __x < __y; } gdbserver was started on the openmoko with: # export DISPLAY=:0 # gdbserver 192.168.0.202:8022 wesnoth -r 480x640 -f Denis. PS: I license the content of the post and of this mail under the MIT license so you can (and are encouraged to) use it in order to make a howto. If I remember well MIT license doesn't require attribution. From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com Tue May 5 21:40:49 2009 From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 21:40:49 +0200 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: <4A008E2C.6000505@openmoko.com> References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> <4A008E2C.6000505@openmoko.com> Message-ID: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Mirko Lindner wrote: >> the biggest issue (and this is what i was hoping would be solved) is >> still the loooong delay on call answer between pressing the answer >> button and the ring stopping and caller getting through. i actually >> lost one call on this. > > I am not entirely sure I can do much about this, as the UI is waiting > for signals form the framework ... Does the ringtones are already in .wav format? Laszlo From vanous at penguin.cz Tue May 5 21:52:06 2009 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 21:52:06 +0200 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> <4A008E2C.6000505@openmoko.com> Message-ID: <20090505215206.174ea9c8@penguin.cz> LK> >> the biggest issue (and this is what i was hoping would be LK> >> solved) is still the loooong delay on call answer between LK> >> pressing the answer button and the ring stopping and caller LK> >> getting through. i actually lost one call on this. LK> > LK> > I am not entirely sure I can do much about this, as the UI is LK> > waiting for signals form the framework ... LK> LK> Does the ringtones are already in .wav format? i have tried this on latest shr testing with no success - still long delay between button press and real answer... Petr From matthiasfelsche at web.de Tue May 5 21:56:57 2009 From: matthiasfelsche at web.de (matthias) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 21:56:57 +0200 Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80905041603o6ca4161fmeb8e009635408e98@mail.gmail.com> References: <1241098126.4928.6.camel@daniel-laptop> <49F9B7B9.4000300@techworks.ie> <1241102922.4928.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FCBD4A.5050600@web.de> <49FCC744.3020002@gmx.net> <1241311345.8395.9.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241440377.4551.4.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241442862.4551.7.camel@daniel-laptop> <49FF0B56.20507@techworks.ie> <5c6ceea80905041603o6ca4161fmeb8e009635408e98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A009A09.4020302@web.de> (Very very very)? * (very+infinity) nice thing!!! :D That was what I was hoping for: committed merchants in touch with the community! I hope you will provide some of them for sale soon. cheers Matthias David Reyes Samblas Martinez schrieb: > Christoph and I were talking about this and agree with Christian we > must think on this devices more as auxiliary batteries with a plus > than solar chargers, so the higher capacity the better. > We are interested in offer this in our shops so we will proceed the > following way, as we do with the Slim BT Keyboard, but this time even > more open and community driven. > I will order a sample of the following models from en-hancing.com to > test them and put the results on a wiki page along with some pictures > of them on the field. > SC019 3000mAh cool&rought the more expensive > SC020 3600mAh the highest capacity but seems slightly weaker than sc019 > SC018 2600mAh only one solar panel but with higher battery than SC021 > and twice cheaper, if it has a mini usb adaptor can be a > better choice for cheaper option > > SC021 is only 2000mAh is just a little bit cheaper than > SC019/20 options > > You can suggest what test do you like to be performed and I will > publish the results on that wiki. > After that test we(community included in that we) can disscuss what > model fits most of all and I will proceed with an order to have > stock in our shops. > Please be aware than final price will be higher than we have disscused > here, after some quick maths the SC019/20 model will be about 69EUR , > SC018 about 39EUR, the SC021 about 59EUR(too much for a 2000mAh > battery IMHO) those prices are just to orientate, custom fees and > Euro/dollar equivalence when the order is finally made are really hard > to calculate(near a lottery really) is just to you have an idea. > > So the due the other YL series doesn't has more than 2400mAh and to > avoid more shipping/customs costs (really expesive from china). I > think does't worth the effort to try to buy samples from them. > > I will keep you informed about the progress of the plan :) > > From steve at openmoko.com Tue May 5 22:02:07 2009 From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 13:02:07 -0700 Subject: Will my phone buzz? In-Reply-To: <49FD7DA1.5010409@shemesh.biz> References: <49FD328F.5070209@shemesh.biz> <84d4aqwp1h.fsf@sauna.l.org> <49FD7DA1.5010409@shemesh.biz> Message-ID: <4A009B3F.2060305@openmoko> If you remove the two tork screws and remove the front cover you will se the board rev. In anycase if you have A5 or A6 you are susceptible to the buzz issue. If you bought 900 and dont experience it it is likely that you are communicating on 1900 which doesnt, according to anecdotal reports, suffer from the buzz symptoms Shachar Shemesh wrote: > Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: >> Shachar Shemesh writes: >> >>> Can anyone tell me how I can find out? Is there some way to look at >>> the board of a phone and tell whether it has the fix? >>> >> >> cat /proc/cpuinfo >> >> If it says 0305 you have V5 and need a fix. >> >> > I'm sorry if I'm asking a silly question. When I do "cat > /proc/cpuinfo" I get "Revision: 24420360", so presumably I'm okay. > Then again, while trying to figure out what field I was supposed to be > looking at, I stumbled upon > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware. From there, it > seems that the user space gets that data from the kernel, which in > turn gets it from the boot loader, which doesn't get it from anywhere > at all hardware related. I've upgraded my boot loader with an image I > downloaded from the Internet (so I could boot from ext2 partitions on > a microsd card). So now I have to wonder whether the fact that it says > "24420360" actually means anything other than "I upgraded my u-boot"? > > I have the debug board, which implicitly means I have the screw driver > needed to open the device (already did once). I was more looking for > something that says "this is the change you need to do in order to fix > the buzz", and then just open the device and have a look whether that > change is already in place. > > Thanks, > Shachar > > P.s. > This is somewhat academic, as I'm fairly certain that my phone is a V6 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Tue May 5 22:15:22 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:15:22 -0700 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: <20090505215206.174ea9c8@penguin.cz> References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> <4A008E2C.6000505@openmoko.com> <20090505215206.174ea9c8@penguin.cz> Message-ID: thats why i have mine set to vibrate. strange until it actually stops but its better then a long ringer On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Petr Vanek wrote: > LK> >> the biggest issue (and this is what i was hoping would be > LK> >> solved) is still the loooong delay on call answer between > LK> >> pressing the answer button and the ring stopping and caller > LK> >> getting through. i actually lost one call on this. > LK> > > LK> > I am not entirely sure I can do much about this, as the UI is > LK> > waiting for signals form the framework ... > LK> > LK> Does the ringtones are already in .wav format? > > i have tried this on latest shr testing with no success - still long > delay between button press and real answer... > > Petr > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Tue May 5 22:20:56 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:20:56 -0700 Subject: [SHR,FSO] Serenity theme for illume In-Reply-To: <68da43e00905050156of09b5bhcf8a1235a992def7@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090329171328.5e4097b4@j.newkirk.us> <49FFF67A.70404@gmail.com> <68da43e00905050156of09b5bhcf8a1235a992def7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: go to the category "Use OM.2008 GTK-Theme" on http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Tweaks or try this opkg install http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/moko-gtk-theme_0.1.0+svnr4734-r0_armv4t.opk opkg -force-depends install http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/moko-gtk-engine_0.1.0+svnr4734-r0_armv4t.opk echo "include \"/usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc\"" > /home/root/.gtkrc-2.0 - jeremy On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Timo Jyrinki wrote: > 2009/5/5 Xavier Cremaschi : >> fresh new shr-testing, I restored serenity too, but my apps are grey >> (like a classical gtk widget). > > Is there btw a current URL to screenshots of serenity? I'd be interested to see. > > -Timo > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From david.moko.comunity at gmail.com Tue May 5 22:23:53 2009 From: david.moko.comunity at gmail.com (Mile Davidovic) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:23:53 +0200 Subject: toolchain with Ubuntu Jaunty (9.04) In-Reply-To: <200904061118.29706.michael-tansella@gmx.de> References: <200904061118.29706.michael-tansella@gmx.de> Message-ID: <9f2f0e730905051323x4bba7f33w7d8810483255368f@mail.gmail.com> Yes, it works fins as far as I can see. On 4/6/09, Michael Tansella wrote: > Hi, > > has anybody tried the new toolchain with new Ubuntu (9.04)? Is it > compatible? > > Greets > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From david.moko.comunity at gmail.com Tue May 5 22:44:49 2009 From: david.moko.comunity at gmail.com (Mile Davidovic) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:44:49 +0200 Subject: Data call (aka CSD) with QtExtended In-Reply-To: <276368070903270400x3a3a0deal1c213e135dc95f67@mail.gmail.com> References: <276368070903200400g1da6ae4dob731d3e151630a29@mail.gmail.com> <49C638C4.7070600@kapitein.org> <276368070903220837n57a0ed8an39ca66c6161e50d4@mail.gmail.com> <49C6827A.2060709@kapitein.org> <49C94393.4010800@kapitein.org> <276368070903260338q3fcbad28u72aef0e902f599bf@mail.gmail.com> <1238065013.17409.20.camel@localhost> <276368070903262311h20e282b9o354562e41070721d@mail.gmail.com> <1238142563.5087.3.camel@lp-00079.dt01.tno.nl> <276368070903270400x3a3a0deal1c213e135dc95f67@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9f2f0e730905051344h37f0db63xf31b2aa65eff654c@mail.gmail.com> Hello My understanding is next: - qt extended have support for CSD but quite rudimentary (these words are from qt extended documentation) - sample qt application works fine with CSD but only first time (they have problem with releasing resources) In general, OpenMoko is capable of working with CSD but my understanding is that CSD (at least on Qt) is not preferable working scenario. Regards Mile On 3/27/09, Tuan TRINH wrote: > Hi Ed, > Thank you. Will try and come back to you later. > Cordially, > Tuan > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Ed Kapitein wrote: > >> Hi Tuan, >> >> I think our distributions differ to much to be of any more help. i am >> using om2008.12, you could try to run that of an sd card and see if it >> works that way. >> Aparently you do have a working data number on your phone, so that is a >> good thing. >> The hardware in the FR is capabale of making data calls, so that is a >> good thing too. >> >> Good luck, and let us know your success/failures, we all can learn from >> it. >> >> Kind regards, >> Ed >> >> On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 13:11 +0700, Tuan TRINH wrote: >> > Hi Ed, >> > My answers are bellow. >> > >> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Ed Kapitein wrote: >> > Hi Tuan, >> > >> > Strange that no connection is made to the landline modem. >> > you see no response, but dou you see the at commands echoed >> > back? >> > >>> When I make data calls, I see AT cmd echo back with OK --> modem >> > acepts cmd. >> > >> > if not use ate1 to see the responses. >> > >>> I always use ATE1 at fisrt. >> > >> > you can restart /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd with the -v option and >> > use logread >> > to see what is send and received from the modem. >> > >>> Woop, I never see this process via ps. I use qtextend and before >> > doing things with socat I always shutdown qtextend so I can connect >> > to /dev/ttySA0. Do I need this before making data calls? Actually I >> > can make voice calls by ATs without this. >> > >> > If you use the motorola to call your FR, can you pick up the >> > call with >> > the ATA command? >> > >>> Can, after seeing RING, I use ATH to accept. >> > >> > Do you see a "ring" message? >> > >> > >> > Good luck ! >> > Ed >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 17:38 +0700, Tuan TRINH wrote: >> > > Hi Ed, >> > > Just try to initiate data call but no success. >> > > >> > > There is a strange symptom that is: If I use the same SIM >> > but on other >> > > mobile (Motorora Z8) I can hear the far end land-line modem >> > sound >> > > respone but if I use FR to call the same modem: (1) via AT >> > commands I >> > > see no response, both sound and response modem characters so >> > can not >> > > use expect(CONNECT) with ppp (2) via GUI, it drop the call. >> > > >> > > My FR can do voice call normally. >> > > >> > > Do you have any way to debug the status of data call while >> > using AT >> > > commands? I just know +CEER but it does not give much info. >> > > >> > > Cordially, >> > > Tuan >> >< >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > From liedekef at telenet.be Tue May 5 22:52:41 2009 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:52:41 +0200 Subject: Data call (aka CSD) with QtExtended In-Reply-To: <9f2f0e730905051344h37f0db63xf31b2aa65eff654c@mail.gmail.com> References: <276368070903200400g1da6ae4dob731d3e151630a29@mail.gmail.com> <49C638C4.7070600@kapitein.org> <276368070903220837n57a0ed8an39ca66c6161e50d4@mail.gmail.com> <49C6827A.2060709@kapitein.org> <49C94393.4010800@kapitein.org> <276368070903260338q3fcbad28u72aef0e902f599bf@mail.gmail.com> <1238065013.17409.20.camel@localhost> <276368070903262311h20e282b9o354562e41070721d@mail.gmail.com> <1238142563.5087.3.camel@lp-00079.dt01.tno.nl> <276368070903270400x3a3a0deal1c213e135dc95f67@mail.gmail.com> <9f2f0e730905051344h37f0db63xf31b2aa65eff654c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090505225241.03413fc7@telenet.be> On Tue, 5 May 2009 22:44:49 +0200 Mile Davidovic wrote: > Hello > > My understanding is next: > - qt extended have support for CSD but quite rudimentary (these words > are from qt extended documentation) > - sample qt application works fine with CSD but only first time (they > have problem with releasing resources) > > In general, OpenMoko is capable of working with CSD but my > understanding is that CSD (at least on Qt) is not preferable working > scenario. > > Regards > Mile > Hi Mile, I'm sorry, but I'm not really familiar with CSD calls, could you ellaborate? Also, it seems you've done some research in this. Care to join the development of QtEi for this part? Franky From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Tue May 5 23:01:31 2009 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 00:01:31 +0300 Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> (ant007h@gmail.com's message of "Fri, 1 May 2009 11:21:42 -0700 (PDT)") References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <84prenp8lw.fsf@sauna.l.org> ANT writes: > The debian package is untested, so let me know if it works or not. http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/815/mokomaze_0.5.1-1_armel.deb seems to depend on libode but there is no such package in debian. Perhaps it means libode1? I built my own debian package from 0.5.0 sources but it fails to start: lindi at ginger:~$ sudo mokomaze File_loader: savegame file not found File_loader: 14 game levels parsed Accelerometer: starting auto-detection of device type Accelerometer: Neo Freerunner detected Accelerometer: current threshold value is 0 Accelerometer: threshold is not required to be changed. Accelerometer: threshold is not required to be restored. ODE INTERNAL ERROR 1: assertion "bNormalizationResult" failed in _dNormalize4() [../../include/ode/odemath.h] Aborted Any idea what should I check? From roland at quru.com Tue May 5 23:40:00 2009 From: roland at quru.com (Roland Whitehead) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:40:00 +0100 Subject: [SHR] emacs package Message-ID: <0919B245-F105-4C86-9423-87004C016551@quru.com> It's been asked before but I can't find any references to a package for emacs. Does such exist? If not, how can I get emacs running - doesn't need to be xemacs as I'm quite happy to run it either in terminal or via a remote session. TIA Roland -- QURU Ltd, London From vendion at gmail.com Wed May 6 00:08:35 2009 From: vendion at gmail.com (Adam Jimerson) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 18:08:35 -0400 Subject: OpenMoko and LCD TV In-Reply-To: <4126b3450905050957l53674cb4ra19983aed397984d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> <200905051850.22956.tanuva@gmail.com> <4126b3450905050957l53674cb4ra19983aed397984d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200905051808.40154.vendion@charter.net> On Tuesday 05 May 2009 12:57:17 pm Sam Kuper wrote: > > There are various standards that define the kinds/amount of EMI that an > electrical device must: (1) be able to cope with, and/or (2) not produce in > excess of. > > It sounds like either your OM or your TV might not be fully compliant. > It sounds like its his TV I just tried it with my OM and my Toshiba 21 inch LCD and the TV didn't turn off -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090505/549e3ff4/attachment.pgp From solar.george at googlemail.com Wed May 6 00:26:17 2009 From: solar.george at googlemail.com (George Brooke) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 23:26:17 +0100 Subject: copy a file from smartphone to pc In-Reply-To: <4A003E43.8000804@gmx.net> References: <4A003E43.8000804@gmx.net> Message-ID: <200905052326.23975.solar.george@googlemail.com> On Tuesday 05 May 2009 14:25:23 Andreas Fischer wrote: > Anas Alzouhbi wrote: > > Hello! > > I want to transfer a file from my smartphone to the pc, for exemple > > the file name is toto4 and the username of my pc is elzouebi > > I runned this command > > scp toto4 elzouebi at 192.168.0.200 , it created a file called > > elzouebi at 192.168.0.200 on the smartphone :( > > You forgot the trailing ':' - the command should read: > scp toto4 elzouebi at 192.168.0.200: > (the colon is what scp uses to detect a remote location, apparently) > > > also I runned this command > > scp totot4 elzouebi at 192.168.0.200:sender, sender is a folder on my pc > > Is it a folder in the home folder of "elzouebi", i.e. is it > ~elzouebi/sender ? Else you have to give the full path after the colon. > > > I obtained this error messaj > > WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-x' > > WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-oForwardAgent no' > > WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-oPermitLocalCommand no' > > WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-oClearAllForwardings yes' > > /usr/bin/dbclient: exited: Error connecting: Connection refused > > lost connection > > Is there a ssh server running on your home pc? > > > what should I do, to copy a file from the smarphone to the pc > > Why not go the inverse road? Copy the file from your pc with: > > scp root at 192.168.0.202:/path/to/toto4 . > > If you're on Windows, you can also use WinSCP for that. Another usefull way to send files to your om is to setup a bonjour (zeroconf) IM account in pidgin on your phone and another on your desktop and then use that to send files between them (particularly good if you have different installs with different ssh keys and you don't want to keep editing your known_hosts file). solar.george -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090505/62529ff1/attachment.pgp From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Wed May 6 00:31:10 2009 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 23:31:10 +0100 Subject: Data call (aka CSD) with QtExtended In-Reply-To: <20090505225241.03413fc7@telenet.be> References: <276368070903200400g1da6ae4dob731d3e151630a29@mail.gmail.com> <9f2f0e730905051344h37f0db63xf31b2aa65eff654c@mail.gmail.com> <20090505225241.03413fc7@telenet.be> Message-ID: <200905052331.10632.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Tuesday 05 May 2009, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > On Tue, 5 May 2009 22:44:49 +0200 > > Mile Davidovic wrote: > > Hello > > > > My understanding is next: > > - qt extended have support for CSD but quite rudimentary (these words > > are from qt extended documentation) > > - sample qt application works fine with CSD but only first time (they > > have problem with releasing resources) > > > > In general, OpenMoko is capable of working with CSD but my > > understanding is that CSD (at least on Qt) is not preferable working > > scenario. > > > > Regards > > Mile > > Hi Mile, > > I'm sorry, but I'm not really familiar with CSD calls, could you > ellaborate? Circuit Switched Data, the original GSM data mode where the phone acts as a slow (9600) conventional modem. Later HSCSD increased the speed a bit by channel bonding. My k700i will let you select between analogue and ISDN modem behaviour, handy when calling an ISDN line as it doesn't need all the time consuming analogue negotiation when it connects. In theory it should be really simple to use; just configure ppp as if you were connecting to a serial modem. gsm0710muxd or equivalent may complicate this slightly, but I wouldn't expect it to be any worse than the current use of ppp for GPRS. That said, I haven't tried it. While GPRS is faster CSD has other advantages which may be critical in some cases. You can call into it, which may not be possible with GPRS as it is often hidden behind NAT. CDS also has lower, predictable latency whch made it the transport of choice for a GSM cryptophone. From rask at sygehus.dk Wed May 6 00:33:12 2009 From: rask at sygehus.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 00:33:12 +0200 Subject: Compatibility between deb and opkg (Was: Ain't it funny..) In-Reply-To: <4A0023A3.9010800@users.sourceforge.net> References: <200905051309.57370.tanuva@gmail.com> <4A0023A3.9010800@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <20090505223311.GB27350@sygehus.dk> On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 01:31:47PM +0200, Pander wrote: > For better compatability between deb and opkg, I am still in favour of > using the debian/ubuntu categories in opkg. See this thread from December: > http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/038472.html > and > http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/038546.html A significant incompatibility is that deb uses architectures 'armel' and 'any' while opkg uses 'armv4t' and 'all'. AFAIK there is no way of specifying to dpkg/apt that they are equivalent. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year From solar.george at googlemail.com Wed May 6 00:33:46 2009 From: solar.george at googlemail.com (George Brooke) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 23:33:46 +0100 Subject: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster) In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770905050519l7da64e0bs250ec0831f5b6a7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <49F314F6.7080909@techworks.ie> <4A002D6A.1050705@techworks.ie> <2f3aa2770905050519l7da64e0bs250ec0831f5b6a7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200905052333.46421.solar.george@googlemail.com> On Tuesday 05 May 2009 13:19:53 Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/5/5 Christian Gagneraud : > > Yeah, why not! :) I never went to the deep jungle, but i like to make > > trips in the wild, with just my bike and my tent, and the solar > > charger is the only solution to keep my GPS up and running for several > > days/weeks. > > or a hand-crank charger > > imo, this is a more reliable way of charging the battery - it'll work > anywhere (in a building, underground, when it's raining), anytime > (night) and is going to produce a bigger current than this size of > solar panel > > does anyone know of any decent crank chargers that will output over usb? 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Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090505/753bc804/attachment.pgp From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Wed May 6 00:34:52 2009 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 23:34:52 +0100 Subject: OpenMoko and LCD TV In-Reply-To: <200905051808.40154.vendion@charter.net> References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450905050957l53674cb4ra19983aed397984d@mail.gmail.com> <200905051808.40154.vendion@charter.net> Message-ID: <200905052334.53180.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Tuesday 05 May 2009, Adam Jimerson wrote: > On Tuesday 05 May 2009 12:57:17 pm Sam Kuper wrote: > > There are various standards that define the kinds/amount of EMI that an > > electrical device must: (1) be able to cope with, and/or (2) not produce > > in excess of. > > > > It sounds like either your OM or your TV might not be fully compliant. > > It sounds like its his TV I just tried it with my OM and my Toshiba 21 inch > LCD and the TV didn't turn off No interaction with my Panasonic either. On an OT note the Panasonic, along with most recent Sonys, is running linux. Is anyone aware of any custom TV firmware projects? From solar.george at googlemail.com Wed May 6 00:40:44 2009 From: solar.george at googlemail.com (George Brooke) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 23:40:44 +0100 Subject: [SHR,FSO] Serenity theme for illume In-Reply-To: References: <20090329171328.5e4097b4@j.newkirk.us> <68da43e00905050156of09b5bhcf8a1235a992def7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200905052340.45499.solar.george@googlemail.com> On Tuesday 05 May 2009 21:20:56 jeremy jozwik wrote: > go to the category "Use OM.2008 GTK-Theme" > on http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Tweaks > > or try this > > opkg install > http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/moko-gtk-theme_0.1 >.0+svnr4734-r0_armv4t.opk opkg -force-depends install > http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/moko-gtk-engine_0. >1.0+svnr4734-r0_armv4t.opk echo "include > \"/usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc\"" > /home/root/.gtkrc-2.0 > > - jeremy > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Timo Jyrinki wrote: > > 2009/5/5 Xavier Cremaschi : > >> fresh new shr-testing, I restored serenity too, but my apps are grey > >> (like a classical gtk widget). Also an e17 like theme from the shr-devel list. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: [Shr-devel] gtk theme e17 style Date: Wednesday 15 Apr 2009 From: ""Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Pr?nster"" To: "shr-devel" i discovered the following screenie at scap: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/071114f77f2687065a65f9d8a1f76bee.png it looks nice. since i am currently using shr unstable and the overall performance is tolerable - i am completely satisfied (it is called unstable, but it works a sexpected, although a little sluggish) i don't mind a littel speed impact my gtk apps are 17 b&w styled. howto: 1) download http://www.suse-art.org/content/show.php/E17+B_and_W?content=95680 2) untar to /usr/share/themes 3) echo "include \"/usr/share/themes/B_and_W/gtk-2.0/gtkrc\"" > /home/root/.gtkrc-2.0 4) init 6 5) enjoy! br _______________________________________________ Shr-devel mailing list Shr-devel at projects.openmoko.org http://lists.projects.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-devel ------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They have larger capacity > > 3.0/3.5/4.0A > > wow, 4Ah, do you have any links? They told me that they have 3.0/3.5 samples. And they can change to 4 Ah battery, easily. The mechanical design is the same. I'm afraid they didn't have web page update. I'll keep contacting with them for price/spec, etc. If there is any news, I'll keep the thread update. > > Chris -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From lists.nacho at gmail.com Wed May 6 00:59:55 2009 From: lists.nacho at gmail.com (Nacho Seijo) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 00:59:55 +0200 Subject: shr-config Message-ID: <629966ef0905051559w1caa0d93qfc289469184835db@mail.gmail.com> Today I flashed shr-unstable. And I wanted to install shr-config. But this is what i get: root at om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install shr-config Collected errors: * Cannot find package shr-config. root at om-gta02 ~ $ opkg list |grep shr-config root at om-gta02 ~ $ Has shr-config changed the name? It's not in the repository? 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I think the theory might be the same. solar board charge internal battery, and then battery charge phone. crank output charge internal battery, and then battery charge phone. The question is how much mAh crank output and how much time it take to charge the internal battery. :) > > solar.george > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From rask at sygehus.dk Wed May 6 01:16:06 2009 From: rask at sygehus.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 01:16:06 +0200 Subject: [debian] Installing *.ipk/*.opk part 1: Dependencies In-Reply-To: References: <20090311105633.GA27350@sygehus.dk> Message-ID: <20090505231605.GC27350@sygehus.dk> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:16:06PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> When installing opk/ipk packages from e.g. http://www.opkg.org/, there > >> will be problems with unmet dependencies because Debian uses other > >> package names for some of the packages providing the dependencies. I've > >> created a few small packages which create a mapping of the package names so > >> tricks like --force-depends/--ignore-depends should not be necessary. See: > > >> http://nospamnospam.homepage.dk/software/download/oedepmappings/ [snip] > Also, it would probably be preferable for those packages to have a name > that makes it clear that they're not "real". E.g. you might call them > something like "adapter-opkg-", and then have them provide the > required feature. I would if APT supported it. Unfortunately, the APT support for Provides: is buggy enough that it only works for packages which are already installed, and I'm hoping to eventually be able to do something like # apt-install-package-file http://www.opkg.org/package.opk and have APT install the dependencies automatically (including having them marked as such). -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year From michael at openmoko.org Wed May 6 01:47:01 2009 From: michael at openmoko.org (Michael Shiloh) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 16:47:01 -0700 Subject: where to get qi from? wiki has conflicting information. and, why is 2009 not listed in distros? Message-ID: <4A00CFF5.7090407@openmoko.org> 1) Where is qi? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi#Installation says http://people.openmoko.org/andy/ but http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 says http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/ which is right? Tell me and I'll correct the wiki. 2) 2009 not described in download page Is there a reason that 2009 is not referenced in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download I know it's still under development but it should still be listed. If there are no objections I'll write a paragraph and link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 From lukpank at o2.pl Wed May 6 01:58:21 2009 From: lukpank at o2.pl (=?utf-8?Q?=C5=81ukasz?= Pankowski) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 01:58:21 +0200 Subject: [SHR] emacs package In-Reply-To: <0919B245-F105-4C86-9423-87004C016551@quru.com> (Roland Whitehead's message of "Tue\, 5 May 2009 22\:40\:00 +0100") References: <0919B245-F105-4C86-9423-87004C016551@quru.com> Message-ID: <87pren14rm.fsf@ash.lupan-home> Roland Whitehead writes: > It's been asked before but I can't find any references to a package > for emacs. Does such exist? If not, how can I get emacs running - > doesn't need to be xemacs as I'm quite happy to run it either in > terminal or via a remote session. I install joe (http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/joe_3.1-r1_armv4t.opk) which includes jmacs an emacs-like editor. > > TIA > > Roland From arhuaco at freaks-unidos.net Wed May 6 02:22:26 2009 From: arhuaco at freaks-unidos.net (Nelson Castillo) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:22:26 -0500 Subject: where to get qi from? wiki has conflicting information. and, why is 2009 not listed in distros? In-Reply-To: <4A00CFF5.7090407@openmoko.org> References: <4A00CFF5.7090407@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <2accc2ff0905051722n208ad8f8ncc7597c00a1e92a0@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote: > 1) Where is qi? > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi#Installation says > > ? ? ? ?http://people.openmoko.org/andy/ > > but http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 says > > ? ? ? ?http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/ > > which is right? Tell me and I'll correct the wiki. Hello Michael, thanks for your concern. I just put the latest Qi in this URI. http://people.openmoko.org/arhuaco/qi/latest/ I think distributors will pick the revision they feel comfortable with and it does not have to be the latest. If the latest Qi can be built automatically with existing infrastructure it will be better. I'll ask Angus and send an update as a reply to this email. From freerunner at newkirk.us Wed May 6 02:28:10 2009 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:28:10 -0400 Subject: [SHR,FSO] Serenity theme for illume In-Reply-To: <68da43e00905050156of09b5bhcf8a1235a992def7@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090329171328.5e4097b4@j.newkirk.us> <49FFF67A.70404@gmail.com> <68da43e00905050156of09b5bhcf8a1235a992def7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090505202810.6f964e47@j> On Tue, 5 May 2009 11:56:37 +0300 Timo Jyrinki wrote: > 2009/5/5 Xavier Cremaschi : > > fresh new shr-testing, I restored serenity too, but my apps are grey > > (like a classical gtk widget). > > Is there btw a current URL to screenshots of serenity? I'd be > interested to see. > > -Timo The screenshots at scap.linuxtogo.org eventually 'fall off the end' as they are replaced by newer screenshot uploads. I've not been working much on Serenity the past few weeks, (so many other things demanding time and attention, like family and work ;) but by this weekend I'll try to have a new ipk for the latest state of it, plus new screenshots. j From michael at openmoko.org Wed May 6 03:00:06 2009 From: michael at openmoko.org (Michael Shiloh) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 18:00:06 -0700 Subject: where to get qi from? wiki has conflicting information. and, why is 2009 not listed in distros? In-Reply-To: <2accc2ff0905051722n208ad8f8ncc7597c00a1e92a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A00CFF5.7090407@openmoko.org> <2accc2ff0905051722n208ad8f8ncc7597c00a1e92a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A00E116.6090603@openmoko.org> I'm not looking for Qi, but I'm asking where should we tell people to find Qi. Will it always be there? Should I change both references on the wiki to point at your directory? Nelson Castillo wrote: > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote: >> 1) Where is qi? >> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi#Installation says >> >> http://people.openmoko.org/andy/ >> >> but http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 says >> >> http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/ >> >> which is right? Tell me and I'll correct the wiki. > > Hello Michael, thanks for your concern. > > I just put the latest Qi in this URI. > > http://people.openmoko.org/arhuaco/qi/latest/ > > I think distributors will pick the revision they feel comfortable with > and it does not have to be the latest. > > If the latest Qi can be built automatically with existing > infrastructure it will be better. I'll ask Angus and send an update as > a reply to this email. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From arhuaco at freaks-unidos.net Wed May 6 03:03:56 2009 From: arhuaco at freaks-unidos.net (Nelson Castillo) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:03:56 -0500 Subject: where to get qi from? wiki has conflicting information. and, why is 2009 not listed in distros? In-Reply-To: <4A00E116.6090603@openmoko.org> References: <4A00CFF5.7090407@openmoko.org> <2accc2ff0905051722n208ad8f8ncc7597c00a1e92a0@mail.gmail.com> <4A00E116.6090603@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <2accc2ff0905051803l6433fd4pbd95912d545fd775@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote: > I'm not looking for Qi, but I'm asking where should we tell people to find > Qi. That is what I understood. > Will it always be there? Should I change both references on the wiki to > point at your directory? Not yet, let me coordinate first please. I'll update this thread soon. From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Wed May 6 03:05:50 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:05:50 -0500 Subject: OpenMoko and LCD TV In-Reply-To: <200905052334.53180.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450905050957l53674cb4ra19983aed397984d@mail.gmail.com> <200905051808.40154.vendion@charter.net> <200905052334.53180.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: They run Linux on TVs now?? What kind of processing is a TV doing that needs an OS overseeing it? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Should I change both references on the wiki to >> point at your directory? > > Not yet, let me coordinate first please. I'll update this thread soon. > Thanks! From hariseldon78 at gmail.com Wed May 6 03:55:27 2009 From: hariseldon78 at gmail.com (roby) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 03:55:27 +0200 Subject: OpenMoko and LCD TV In-Reply-To: References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450905050957l53674cb4ra19983aed397984d@mail.gmail.com> <200905051808.40154.vendion@charter.net> <200905052334.53180.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:05 AM, The Digital Pioneer < digitalpioneer at gmail.com> wrote: > They run Linux on TVs now?? What kind of processing is a TV doing that > needs an OS overseeing it? automatic zapping when boring.. -- roby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090506/7e25ab0a/attachment.htm From roguemoko at roguewrt.org Wed May 6 04:07:07 2009 From: roguemoko at roguewrt.org (roguemoko at roguewrt.org) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 12:07:07 +1000 Subject: OpenMoko and LCD TV In-Reply-To: References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450905050957l53674cb4ra19983aed397984d@mail.gmail.com> <200905051808.40154.vendion@charter.net> <200905052334.53180.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A00F0CB.9040106@roguewrt.org> On 6/05/2009 11:05 AM, The Digital Pioneer wrote: > They run Linux on TVs now?? What kind of processing is a TV doing that > needs an OS overseeing it? I haven't read the previous posts but nearly all late model flat panels I've dealt with have some sort of divx/mpeg4 compatible media player built in with USB access. My 2yr old TCL LCD 40" has one. It works great although some slowdown on intense scenes. I haven't touched it since I got my PS3 :) ... actually, I haven't watched anything not originating from my PS3 since I got it :) Although they become redundant pretty quick in our circles, they are great for the non-technical. I just wish they would support some viable way of upgrading/flashing to support more codecs. I don't think I'll be seeing an rs232 port an LCD TV anytime soon :) Sarton From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Wed May 6 04:31:44 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 21:31:44 -0500 Subject: OpenMoko and LCD TV In-Reply-To: <4A00F0CB.9040106@roguewrt.org> References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450905050957l53674cb4ra19983aed397984d@mail.gmail.com> <200905051808.40154.vendion@charter.net> <200905052334.53180.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <4A00F0CB.9040106@roguewrt.org> Message-ID: Maybe boot Linux on it from a USB CD drive? :P Do you run Linux on your PS3? 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I can get a portable media player with USB/DVD made by maya for AU$25 here. It's about the only gift I give to people these days and makes sharing media with the non-technical all that more accessible :) > Do you run Linux on your PS3? I'm thinking about getting one sometime, > and I'm trying to determine what my options of Linux are on one. Yeah I do. Xubuntu is way too slow, although once you map the GPU's vram as prioritised swap it's acceptable ... it's a bit of a hack though. YDL functions a lot better primarily due to there distro being more focused on the PS3. 3D acceleration doesn't exist (hence the mapping of vram) and there's a limit of around 250MB of available RAM ... so either option is going to be less than impressive. It's a bit like OM in that respect :) ... you get used to it :) Standard 2D apps function fine, just don't expect perfect streaming from youtube. In saying all that, I've found that running linux, although good, is kind of redundant from the media/connected to TV perspective. It'll be great if we ever get 3D acceleration but as is, I can do it all from the PS3's gameOS. Once you come to grips with the controls ... and hook up a wireless mouse and keyboard, it does pretty much everything. Oh, and you are limited to a 10GB partition for linux :S I run mediatomb from a xen NetBSD domu and have been able to play all files except MKV and VBR encoded AVIs via the PS3's gameOS. The former simply needs to be remuxed with an mpeg2 header (less than a minute) and the later just needs the mp3 stream to be reencoded as CBR (a minute or two per standard episode ... virtualdub batch encoding works a treat here, though I should prolly find a unix alternative). If you run a centralised download server like mldonkey, coupled with mediatomb, you can watch downloads as they arrive, meaning you never have to touch a file to determine if you are going to keep it. I love that. If it wasn't a domu and it was a dedicated media backend, mediatomb allows for on the fly transcoding, though you are presented with some limitations in that scenario. Honestly the best AU$600 I've spent on a computer system, for all that it entails. Possibly the cheapest computer I've bought since the late 90's. I couldn't recommend a PS3 highly enough. I haven't tested this yet but apparently being able to run linux makes it a tax write off aswell from a home office perspective :) I could probably go on but I'll leave at, it's a must have geek accessory. I spend so little time hunched over an actual PC now, it's great! Sarton From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Wed May 6 05:53:46 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:53:46 -0500 Subject: PS3 Linux [was - Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV] In-Reply-To: <4A010765.7020404@roguewrt.org> References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450905050957l53674cb4ra19983aed397984d@mail.gmail.com> <200905051808.40154.vendion@charter.net> <200905052334.53180.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <4A00F0CB.9040106@roguewrt.org> <4A010765.7020404@roguewrt.org> Message-ID: Yeah, I know the PS3 has very little RAM, but it's extremely fast RAM is it not? I've also been told 3D isn't working... Do you have any idea if/when it will? And how's the actual system speed? You've got 8 threads available to you, do you not? Two PPU threads, and 6 SPU? I know one SPU is kept disabled, and another is reserved for the PS3 OS. Still, 8 threads at 3.2GHz each should be blazing fast. But that's all theory. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090505/d61a5126/attachment.htm From ant007h at gmail.com Wed May 6 06:14:20 2009 From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 21:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <84prenp8lw.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <84prenp8lw.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <1241583260615-2808500.post@n2.nabble.com> Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: >mokomaze_0.5.1-1_armel.deb >seems to depend on libode but there is no such package in >debian. Perhaps it means libode1? No, it means libode compiled by myself. It is available at the download section of the homepage. http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/804/libode_0.11-ant1_armel.deb Currently, we have the following situation: it is possible to compile libode with single-precision and double-precision. Double precision will affect the performance dramatically, so we need libode compiled with single-precision. For a long time libode in debian was single-precision too. Now an old version from lenny (ode0.9) is named libode0 and it is single-precision. But an actual version from unstable (0.11) is named libode1 and it is _double-precision_. Mokomaze is compiled to use libode0.11 with single-precision. So, we have no suitable version of libode in debian. Solutions: * recompile Mokomaze to use libode0.9 from lenny (tested OK on desktop) * place a single-precision libode0.11 in pkg-fso repository P.S. Mokomaze-for-double-precision is untested. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2808500.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From arhuaco at freaks-unidos.net Wed May 6 06:49:47 2009 From: arhuaco at freaks-unidos.net (Nelson Castillo) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 23:49:47 -0500 Subject: where to get qi from? wiki has conflicting information. and, why is 2009 not listed in distros? In-Reply-To: <4A00E3CD.5040304@openmoko.org> References: <4A00CFF5.7090407@openmoko.org> <2accc2ff0905051722n208ad8f8ncc7597c00a1e92a0@mail.gmail.com> <4A00E116.6090603@openmoko.org> <2accc2ff0905051803l6433fd4pbd95912d545fd775@mail.gmail.com> <4A00E3CD.5040304@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <2accc2ff0905052149q71cb8d8ehfcc342458c6929ba@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote: > Nelson Castillo wrote: >> >> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Michael Shiloh >> wrote: >>> >>> I'm not looking for Qi, but I'm asking where should we tell people to >>> find >>> Qi. >> >> That is what I understood. >> >>> Will it always be there? Should I change both references on the wiki to >>> point at your directory? >> >> Not yet, let me coordinate first please. I'll update this thread soon. I just got the reply. The auto-builder puts Qi here: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/experimental/NeoFreerunner/ Right now the latest is: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/experimental/NeoFreerunner/qi-s3c2442-1.0.2+gitr237+c2a6b7ab3df7c1b68d47769f6e35733be1eaab58.udfu I think we should use this URI. "Never send a human to do a machine's job.". From michael at openmoko.org Wed May 6 06:55:23 2009 From: michael at openmoko.org (Michael Shiloh) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 21:55:23 -0700 Subject: where to get qi from? wiki has conflicting information. and, why is 2009 not listed in distros? In-Reply-To: <2accc2ff0905052149q71cb8d8ehfcc342458c6929ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A00CFF5.7090407@openmoko.org> <2accc2ff0905051722n208ad8f8ncc7597c00a1e92a0@mail.gmail.com> <4A00E116.6090603@openmoko.org> <2accc2ff0905051803l6433fd4pbd95912d545fd775@mail.gmail.com> <4A00E3CD.5040304@openmoko.org> <2accc2ff0905052149q71cb8d8ehfcc342458c6929ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A01183B.9000902@openmoko.org> Nelson Castillo wrote: > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote: >> Nelson Castillo wrote: >>> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Michael Shiloh >>> wrote: >>>> I'm not looking for Qi, but I'm asking where should we tell people to >>>> find >>>> Qi. >>> That is what I understood. >>> >>>> Will it always be there? Should I change both references on the wiki to >>>> point at your directory? >>> Not yet, let me coordinate first please. I'll update this thread soon. > > I just got the reply. The auto-builder puts Qi here: > > http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/experimental/NeoFreerunner/ > > Right now the latest is: > > http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/experimental/NeoFreerunner/qi-s3c2442-1.0.2+gitr237+c2a6b7ab3df7c1b68d47769f6e35733be1eaab58.udfu > > I think we should use this URI. "Never send a human to do a machine's job.". > Thanks for doing the research. Care to update the wiki? It's late here in CA and I'm ready to call it a day. M From roguemoko at roguewrt.org Wed May 6 07:02:03 2009 From: roguemoko at roguewrt.org (roguemoko at roguewrt.org) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 15:02:03 +1000 Subject: PS3 Linux [was - Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV] In-Reply-To: References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450905050957l53674cb4ra19983aed397984d@mail.gmail.com> <200905051808.40154.vendion@charter.net> <200905052334.53180.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <4A00F0CB.9040106@roguewrt.org> <4A010765.7020404@roguewrt.org> Message-ID: <4A0119CB.9090800@roguewrt.org> On 6/05/2009 1:53 PM, The Digital Pioneer wrote: > Yeah, I know the PS3 has very little RAM, but it's extremely fast RAM is > it not? I've also been told 3D isn't working... Do you have any idea > if/when it will? And how's the actual system speed? You've got 8 threads > available to you, do you not? Two PPU threads, and 6 SPU? I know one SPU > is kept disabled, and another is reserved for the PS3 OS. Still, 8 > threads at 3.2GHz each should be blazing fast. But that's all theory. To be honest I haven't really got dirty on the command line yet, I was more interested in out-of-the-box functionality in-so-far as the distro's X capabilities were concerned. As I said before, 3D acceleration is not available at this time, this is something I believe they imposed so that PS2 emulation is not possible. It's always possible that it will become available but I've not heard of anything yet. Utilising the vram as swap effectively adds ram. So general performance is fine. It's when you do something gpu intensive that the cpus load up and the system slows down significantly. Openoffice and printing work fine though :) So as for the specifics, I can't say much. I haven't looked at the available CPUs but gkrellm was only reporting 2 at the time. If I get a chance I might delve deeper and revisit this thread but no promises :) I get the impression, though this is speculative, that YDL utilises more of the system. Or maybe it just does it better. Either way the experience is more polished. Sarton From michael at openmoko.org Wed May 6 07:13:24 2009 From: michael at openmoko.org (Michael Shiloh) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 22:13:24 -0700 Subject: shr (both testing and unstable): Error loading module (connman) Message-ID: <4A011C74.6010208@openmoko.org> Booting either version of shr today gives me: There was an error loading module named: d connman/linux-gnueabi-arm-ver-pre-01/mod modules search directories I don't see anything under known issues on the wiki regarding shr. Any ideas? From yogizz at gmail.com Wed May 6 07:29:24 2009 From: yogizz at gmail.com (Yogiz) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 08:29:24 +0300 Subject: [SHR] emacs package In-Reply-To: <0919B245-F105-4C86-9423-87004C016551@quru.com> References: <0919B245-F105-4C86-9423-87004C016551@quru.com> Message-ID: <20090506082924.2b6480cc@blunt.home> Emacs runs on the Freerunner? Why isn't it listed in the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions page? Yogiz On Tue, 5 May 2009 22:40:00 +0100 Roland Whitehead wrote: > It's been asked before but I can't find any references to a package > for emacs. Does such exist? If not, how can I get emacs running - > doesn't need to be xemacs as I'm quite happy to run it either in > terminal or via a remote session. > > TIA > > Roland (I kid) From yogizz at gmail.com Wed May 6 07:32:29 2009 From: yogizz at gmail.com (Yogiz) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 08:32:29 +0300 Subject: shr (both testing and unstable): Error loading module (connman) In-Reply-To: <4A011C74.6010208@openmoko.org> References: <4A011C74.6010208@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <20090506083229.6c464f8d@blunt.home> It's an upstream problem. Feel free to disable it. Also check the thread called "SHR-testing 2009-05-02 broken?" in this mailing list. Yogiz On Tue, 05 May 2009 22:13:24 -0700 Michael Shiloh wrote: > Booting either version of shr today gives me: > > > There was an error loading module named: > d connman/linux-gnueabi-arm-ver-pre-01/mod > modules search directories > > I don't see anything under known issues on the wiki regarding shr. > > Any ideas? > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From oberger at ouvaton.org Wed May 6 08:23:30 2009 From: oberger at ouvaton.org (Olivier Berger) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 08:23:30 +0200 Subject: hackable:1 - new release In-Reply-To: <20090505122617.3bc40015@one> (Marcus Bauer's message of "Tue\, 5 May 2009 12\:26\:17 +0200") References: <20090505122617.3bc40015@one> Message-ID: <871vr2px5p.fsf@olivierberger.com> Marcus Bauer writes: > Hello Openmoko Community, > > a new release of hackable:1 is available! Then, I'd very much suggest to update http://www.hackable1.org/wiki/Downloads which still points to rev3 AFAICT. My 2 cents, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com Wed May 6 08:30:41 2009 From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 08:30:41 +0200 Subject: Havint trouble to trying out om2009 on sD card Message-ID: Hi! I installed SHR, but I also want to install om2009 (because of paroli), and therefore I want to install om2009 on an sD card (shr is already in NAND). What I did: 1. Flashed Qi: dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi-s3c2442-master-hist_3b8513d8b3d9615e.udfu 2. Partitioned sD card first: 10MB fat second: 500MB ext2 3. Extracted paroli image over it: (63MB, 20090501) wget http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.tar.gz 5. Made a symlink in /boot uImage-GTA02.bin -> uImage-2.6.29-rc2 6. I made an append-GTA02 file loglevel = 8 4. Rebooted. It stuck at booting. Please wait: booting.... s3c2440-sdi: Regulator for SD_3V3 unavible 5. Downloaded an uImage from here: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r2-om-gta02.bin 6. I copied over to /boot directory, and made a symlink uImage-GTA02.bin which points to this file. I stuck at booting the same way. What I miss? Must be something obvious. OR the paroli image is broken? Best regards, Laszlo From david at tuxbrain.com Wed May 6 08:51:48 2009 From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 08:51:48 +0200 Subject: Havint trouble to trying out om2009 on sD card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5c6ceea80905052351u7f4b449ay9980f4723f9d278b@mail.gmail.com> try to add "rw" in the options of the append file, btw no need of fat partition if you are using Qi 2009/5/6 Laszlo KREKACS : > Hi! > > I installed SHR, but I also want to install om2009 (because of paroli), > and therefore I want to install om2009 on an sD card (shr is already in NAND). > > What I did: > > 1. Flashed Qi: > ?dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi-s3c2442-master-hist_3b8513d8b3d9615e.udfu > > 2. Partitioned sD card > first: 10MB fat > second: 500MB ext2 > > 3. Extracted paroli image over it: > (63MB, 20090501) > wget http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.tar.gz > > 5. Made a symlink in /boot > uImage-GTA02.bin -> uImage-2.6.29-rc2 > > > 6. I made an append-GTA02 file > loglevel = 8 > > 4. Rebooted. > It stuck at booting. > Please wait: booting.... > s3c2440-sdi: Regulator for SD_3V3 unavible > > 5. Downloaded an uImage from here: > http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r2-om-gta02.bin > > 6. I copied over to /boot directory, and made a symlink > uImage-GTA02.bin which points to this file. > > I stuck at booting the same way. > > > What I miss? Must be something obvious. > OR the paroli image is broken? > > Best regards, > ?Laszlo > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! From Erik.geiger at gmx.net Wed May 6 09:17:56 2009 From: Erik.geiger at gmx.net (Erik Geiger) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:17:56 +0200 Subject: OpenMoko and LCD TV In-Reply-To: References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200905060917.56199.Erik.geiger@gmx.net> Am Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2009 04:05:56 schrieb roby: > sorry for continuing the ot, but.. i always dreamt of a tv adblocker, > anybody know of some project in this direction? Just have a look at vdr (video disk recorder) and "noad". You can't watch live TV without ad but you are able to record and watch the recording (also timeshift is possible) with no ad. Most time I watch recordings, you save time and if someone disturbs you, just pause and resume later ;-) http://www.cadsoft.de/vdr/ and http://vdr-portal.de -- Erik Geiger From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com Wed May 6 09:22:28 2009 From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:22:28 +0200 Subject: Havint trouble to trying out om2009 on sD card In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80905052351u7f4b449ay9980f4723f9d278b@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c6ceea80905052351u7f4b449ay9980f4723f9d278b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: > try to add "rw" in the options of the append file, root at om-gta02 /media/mmcblk0p2/boot $ cat append-GTA02 rw loglevel = 8 root at om-gta02 /media/mmcblk0p2/boot $ exit But no luck so far: [ 0.0000] Uknown boot option `g_ether.host_addr=00:1F:11:01:5D:38`: ignoring [ 0.0000] Uknown boot option `g_ether.dev_addr=00:1F:11:01:5D:38`: ignoring [ 0.0000] Uknown boot option `g_ether.host_addr=00:1F:11:01:5D:38`: ignoring [ 0.0000] Uknown boot option `g_ether.dev_addr=00:1F:11:01:5D:38`: ignoring Please wait: booting... [21474566.875000] regulator: Unable to get requested regulator: SD_3V3 [21474566.875000] s3c2440-sdi s3c2440: Regulator for SD_3V3 unavilable {cursor blinking} > btw no need of fat partition if you are using Qi The wiki wasnt clear enough (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD), and wanted to stay on the safe side. If I partitions right now, i would simply create three ext2 partitions, as Qi can boot up to 3 partitions from SD card. Is there somewhere a ready-made .tar.gz for Qi, which I simply need to unzip to an ext2 partition and no further editing? Just to be sure, that Qi can boot, and works as expected. (so rule out one source of problem) Best regards, Laszlo From itman at gmx.net Wed May 6 09:48:45 2009 From: itman at gmx.net (DRSp.) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 09:48:45 +0200 Subject: openmoko neo shape Message-ID: <4A0140DD.50408@gmx.net> There was a video showing Maddog Hall wearing one around his neck. Besides I found the design very stylish. The usual route of conversation goes like this: "whats this...?" me: openmoko "..." takes it "like iphone..." me: it's not an iphone... "touchscreen..." me: and it runs on linux "..?" and i got a square look. The point of interest is fading... From fercerpav at gmail.com Wed May 6 09:53:25 2009 From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 11:53:25 +0400 Subject: Havint trouble to trying out om2009 on sD card In-Reply-To: (Laszlo KREKACS's message of "Wed\, 6 May 2009 09\:22\:28 +0200") References: <5c6ceea80905052351u7f4b449ay9980f4723f9d278b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Laszlo KREKACS writes: > root at om-gta02 /media/mmcblk0p2/boot $ cat append-GTA02 > rw > loglevel = 8 Extra spaces here! To be on the safe side, do everything on one (first) line like this: rw loglevel=8 And afaik rw is not needed with any recent image. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com From antisol at internode.on.net Wed May 6 09:49:03 2009 From: antisol at internode.on.net (Dale Maggee) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 17:49:03 +1000 Subject: OpenMoko and LCD TV In-Reply-To: <4126b3450905050957l53674cb4ra19983aed397984d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> <200905051850.22956.tanuva@gmail.com> <4126b3450905050957l53674cb4ra19983aed397984d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A0140EF.2060803@internode.on.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ...An OM Device which doesn't comply with EMI Standards? :O hands up if you're suprised. Sam Kuper wrote: > 2009/5/5 Marcel > >> Am Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 18:38:42 schrieb Mile Davidovic: >>> Yesterday I accidentally put my OM phone near LCD TV (Samsung). >>> >>> SW on OM is QT Extended and when I press power button (to wake up >>> mobile) TV immediately turn off. >>> >>> I tried again and TV changed channel. So, on my phone this behavioure >>> is repeatable. >> If the neo had an infrared led I'd have guessed it sends some random >> signal, but since it does not... Voodoo... ?_? >> Seriously: Electromagnetic fields? GSM? I really have to try that with my >> TV... > > > There are various standards that define the kinds/amount of EMI that an > electrical device must: (1) be able to cope with, and/or (2) not produce in > excess of. > > It sounds like either your OM or your TV might not be fully compliant. > > Sam > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKAUDuFbVnQRV3OEYRAlwIAJ41CxHJ6C2rPAtcQ4IjoS6k7UyCUQCgqnPg vihdyOM/k+yFp6s7PmyFTYE= =Wf+N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From antisol at internode.on.net Wed May 6 10:09:35 2009 From: antisol at internode.on.net (Dale Maggee) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 18:09:35 +1000 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > The community work seems to be slowing down now (because of the > summer?) My guess would be that a whole lot of people have realised that their $400 Neo is better used as a boat anchor, and put them on ebay. or in the microwave. > OM2009 testing 2 was released some days ago. So far ~3 e-mails on the > list about it. > New version of Mokomaze was released some days ago, too. Around 50 mails. > To me this tells that people are more interested in Mokomaze than OM2009. Agreed - more people are interested in mokomaze, because they know what kind of godawful crap to expect from OM and are avoiding it like swine flu... which is strangely poetic IMHO (the metaphor of "Neo as Swine Flu", that is). I'm starting to think that OM's real goal has always been to *not* produce a working distro, in the hopes that some genius would come along and do it for them. At which point they could say "we don't need to make it work, Guy X has given us the excellent Distro Y"... I mean, look at it from the company's perspective: They already have your money, and they know that they're totally mismanaged and will die out before producing another device. Also they're a dodgy Taiwanese company which makes them very difficult to prosecute under the consumer protection laws of less dodgy countries (even though they are technically legally bound by those laws), so what's in it for them to produce working software? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKAUW/FbVnQRV3OEYRAq9RAJ9rObFB6hKp2V149Nh77rZdtZD34gCfRDAd klJyMizgksoWzba1EEJ6MKU= =R3Vr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Wed May 6 10:19:57 2009 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:19:57 +0100 Subject: OpenMoko and LCD TV In-Reply-To: References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> <200905052334.53180.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <200905060919.57587.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Wednesday 06 May 2009, The Digital Pioneer wrote: > They run Linux on TVs now?? What kind of processing is a TV doing that > needs an OS overseeing it? I think it started with MHEG engines for DVB, and EPG. Next they started adding things like SD and USB with media viewers. This one's got an ethernet port that's currently unused, but some use them for streaming media playback. The problem is the usual one - things that don't quite behave as you want them to, or functions the hardware's capable of but they haven't implemented. From perezdiez at gmail.com Wed May 6 10:21:27 2009 From: perezdiez at gmail.com (Jose Luis Perez Diez) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 10:21:27 +0200 Subject: Havint trouble to trying out om2009 on sD card In-Reply-To: References: <5c6ceea80905052351u7f4b449ay9980f4723f9d278b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200905061021.28181.perezdiez@gmail.com> El Wednesday, 6 de May de 2009 09:22:28 Laszlo KREKACS va escriure: > On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez > > wrote: > > try to add "rw" in the options of the append file, > > root at om-gta02 /media/mmcblk0p2/boot $ cat append-GTA02 > rw > loglevel = 8 The append-GTA02 file should is append to the end of the kernel parameter so no vertical whitespace should be used. In a recent Qi /proc/cmdline for a kernel on the first partion of uSD is: loglevel=4 console=tty0 console=ttySAC2,115200 init=/sbin/init ro \ mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(qi),\ 0x00040000(depr-ub-env),0x00800000(kernel),0x000a0000(depr),\ 0x00040000(identity-ext2),0x0f6a0000(rootfs) \ g_ether.host_addr=00:1F:11:01:1F:C2 g_ether.dev_addr=00:1F:11:01:1F:C2 \ root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootdelay=1 If the freeruner is booted holding the powerbutton Qi boots with loglevel=8 > > root at om-gta02 /media/mmcblk0p2/boot $ exit > > But no luck so far: > [ 0.0000] Uknown boot option `g_ether.host_addr=00:1F:11:01:5D:38`: > ignoring [ 0.0000] Uknown boot option this warning series only mean that the kernel has g_ether as a module > .... > Please wait: booting... > [21474566.875000] regulator: Unable to get requested regulator: SD_3V3 > [21474566.875000] s3c2440-sdi s3c2440: Regulator for SD_3V3 unavilable > {cursor blinking} > > > btw no need of fat partition if you are using Qi > > The wiki wasnt clear enough > (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD), and wanted to > stay on the safe side. In fact Qi ignores fat partitions > If I partitions right now, i would simply create three ext2 > partitions, as Qi can boot up to 3 partitions from SD > card. > > Is there somewhere a ready-made .tar.gz for Qi, which I simply need to > unzip to an ext2 partition and no further editing? > Just to be sure, that Qi can boot, and works as expected. (so rule out > one source of problem) I don't think that build system makes the symbolic link from /boot/uImage to /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin and I don't know what OE recipe is responsible for that change. From yorickmoko at gmail.com Wed May 6 10:39:11 2009 From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:39:11 +0200 Subject: PS3 Linux [was - Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV] In-Reply-To: <4A0119CB.9090800@roguewrt.org> References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450905050957l53674cb4ra19983aed397984d@mail.gmail.com> <200905051808.40154.vendion@charter.net> <200905052334.53180.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <4A00F0CB.9040106@roguewrt.org> <4A010765.7020404@roguewrt.org> <4A0119CB.9090800@roguewrt.org> Message-ID: <26fea52c0905060139j1ff85a48tfe14e8ce070b0824@mail.gmail.com> have you tried pairing yourn FR to the ps3 to use it as a controller/keyboard/music(or picture)streamer/whatever ? On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:02 AM, wrote: > On 6/05/2009 1:53 PM, The Digital Pioneer wrote: >> Yeah, I know the PS3 has very little RAM, but it's extremely fast RAM is >> it not? I've also been told 3D isn't working... Do you have any idea >> if/when it will? And how's the actual system speed? You've got 8 threads >> available to you, do you not? Two PPU threads, and 6 SPU? I know one SPU >> is kept disabled, and another is reserved for the PS3 OS. Still, 8 >> threads at 3.2GHz each should be blazing fast. But that's all theory. > > To be honest I haven't really got dirty on the command line yet, I was > more interested in out-of-the-box functionality in-so-far as the > distro's X capabilities were concerned. > > As I said before, 3D acceleration is not available at this time, this is > something I believe they imposed so that PS2 emulation is not possible. > It's always possible that it will become available but I've not heard of > anything yet. > > Utilising the vram as swap effectively adds ram. So general performance > is fine. It's when you do something gpu intensive that the cpus load up > and the system slows down significantly. Openoffice and printing work > fine though :) > > So as for the specifics, I can't say much. I haven't looked at the > available CPUs but gkrellm was only reporting 2 at the time. If I get a > chance I might delve deeper and revisit this thread but no promises :) > > I get the impression, though this is speculative, that YDL utilises more > of the system. Or maybe it just does it better. Either way the > experience is more polished. > > Sarton > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From mbauer at bearstech.com Wed May 6 11:00:30 2009 From: mbauer at bearstech.com (Marcus Bauer) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:00:30 +0200 Subject: hackable:1 - new release In-Reply-To: <871vr2px5p.fsf@olivierberger.com> References: <20090505122617.3bc40015@one> <871vr2px5p.fsf@olivierberger.com> Message-ID: <20090506110030.06d9a765@one> On Wed, 06 May 2009 08:23:30 +0200 Olivier Berger wrote: > Then, I'd very much suggest to update > http://www.hackable1.org/wiki/Downloads which still points to rev3 > AFAICT. fixed. thanks for the hint From cgagneraud at techworks.ie Wed May 6 11:08:03 2009 From: cgagneraud at techworks.ie (Christian Gagneraud) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 10:08:03 +0100 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> Message-ID: <4A015373.7080908@techworks.ie> Petr Vanek wrote: > Hi Angus, > > thank you for the info and hard work. > > I have been testing paroli every two to three weeks (regularly i use > shr). today i have flashed the testing release 2 image and used it this > afternoon. the testing release seems to be full of new features. i > flashed it to nand, i use qi. > >> Paroli settings screen >> - change illume profile ( paroli fulsscreen or illume ) > > great and worked, one can choose upon demand so this is good. > >> - GPRS settings >> APN settings >> enable or disable GPRS > > got connected instantly, just worked., great. G indication for > connection is super. but i could eventually not get disconnected - had > to kill paroli and eventually reboot anyways same, got connected instantly, and it displayed "active", but if go "back", and go again to "gprs" i got this for the status: "dbus.Dictionary({dbus.String(u'registration'): ..." and i can't even disconnect... I'm using paroli in the "illume" profile. Apart from that, i get the "G" in the notification area, got connected really quickly, resolv.conf and default route updated OK. Cheers > > >> - profile settings menu >> ringtone volume >> vibration on incoming call >> message volume >> vibration on incoming message >> and others >> - this needs to be enabled from /etc/paroli/paroli.cfg >> as some features are still a little experimental > > the setting app is good. > >> Tons of new feature's in the FSO framework >> - Automatic timezones for mutlizone countries >> - lots under the hood >> check here to see all of them >> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=summary >> >> Bugs fixed >> Power button does not shutdown device >> otimed sets timezone incorrectly in large countries FSO 389 >> Power status events ignored FSO 381 >> feeds are incorrectly set to unstable > > > interface is responsive and consistent. i quite like it but had to get > used to it... as i say i use it every now and then. i can imagine a bit > different theming but i am sure this will come and it's not a priority > now. i do like the "one consistent application" approach. > > now issues: > > the buttons are too small for fingers sometimes (delete on messages, + > to add a message etc.) > > two times (huh, now again.. so three times) the tele crashed during > phone call (call did not get disconnected so i could finish it.) then > paroli restart or neo restart... > > sending sms while off signal gave no error, but no sms saved as draft > so got simply lost... > > operator name not displayed (did get displayed in illume shelf though) > > sms receiving OK > > the biggest issue (and this is what i was hoping would be solved) is > still the loooong delay on call answer between pressing the answer > button and the ring stopping and caller getting through. i actually > lost one call on this. > > i never really understood the time changing by pressing the AUX > button... and how do you set alarm time? > > autosuspend although enabled did not work, autodim does work > >> Bugs fixed >> Power button does not shutdown device > > not for me :) > > i still have it on so i can do more tests if necessary... > > Petr > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From djdas at djdas.net Wed May 6 11:10:48 2009 From: djdas at djdas.net (DJDAS) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 11:10:48 +0200 Subject: [Om2008.x] Announcing BlueMoko 1.0b1 Message-ID: <4A015418.6020409@djdas.net> Dear list, this is for announcing the first beta release of BlueMoko, a PyGTK GUI handler for the bluetooth stack. ATM the program handles powering on/off, mode setting (visible, invisible, connectable), scanning for devices and pairing (with PIN too) but only with headset devices (pc, smartphone and others are planned in future versions). What works: A2DP support, connects with headset (tried with a Calypso) and routes default PCM audio to it so players can output directly without any modifications Partially working: headset profile, I have still some issues (I think depending on ALSA configuration but can't find an always reproducible way to handle it) so sometimes it works other time not...plus, after pairing with the headset you have to manually (ATM) handle the alsa state loading during the call (using the alsa state provided by Angus in the Wiki) Not working: connecting with other BT devices but audio. I still don't support FSO based distributions as I have no time to install them but some friends will help me (or anyone who want to participate is welcome ;) ) and there is no opk package yet (hope during next weekend after some code fixing). You can grab the sources at the project CVS here[1]: you only need these 3 files: bluemoko-bin, bluemoko.py and bluetooth.py, simpyl copy in a folder and launch the bin. The sources are based upon the older scripts provided by Angus several months ago (thank you very much for the starting point) and I learned to program python since January so don't expect good code ;) by reading the ShortOM source code (useful for training with PyGTK too, thanks to Luca :) ) Dependencies: PyGTK, Bluez-3.33 Final note: if the program complains about "not running on a Neo", probably your /sys files to access powering and resetting bluetooth are different from mine, so you can modify their path on rows 29 and 30 of the bluetooth.py source. Thank you in advance, bye! [1] http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/bluemoko/ From roland at quru.com Wed May 6 11:18:14 2009 From: roland at quru.com (Roland Whitehead) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:18:14 +0100 Subject: [SHR] emacs package In-Reply-To: <87pren14rm.fsf@ash.lupan-home> References: <0919B245-F105-4C86-9423-87004C016551@quru.com> <87pren14rm.fsf@ash.lupan-home> Message-ID: <29D51D08-B1BD-4FE6-B817-F91D33DFC268@quru.com> Following ?ukasz's lead I've found this: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/emacs_22.3-r0_armv4t.ipk Will let you know if it works... Roland -- QURU Ltd, London From tonyberth at googlemail.com Wed May 6 11:19:58 2009 From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:19:58 +0200 Subject: shr - messages + wsod In-Reply-To: <4A008D8B.3020708@gmail.com> References: <200904161152.00320.hersche@puzzle.ch> <3494db260904170551y63607085ob9c53c79af864bf4@mail.gmail.com> <2accc2ff0904170941m6e60eb45ld1213804f8b94075@mail.gmail.com> <3494db260904210222v34b34200naea79e666e4c450@mail.gmail.com> <20090421134646.7be9e36a@penguin.cz> <1240316832.25913.9.camel@localhost> <49EE10D1.8000708@gmail.com> <1240349229.8486.6.camel@localhost> <49EF3542.2010700@gmail.com> <4A008D8B.3020708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3494db260905060219jeeafc8he1fe60c7907d8e56@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:03 PM, ivvmm wrote: > ivvmm wrote: > > Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano wrote: > >> Il giorno mar, 21/04/2009 alle 22.30 +0400, ivvmm ha scritto: > >>> Pietro Montorfano wrote: > >>>> just get back to the old 2.6.29-r2 kernel and then wsod > >>>> will go away. > >>> How can this be achieved? The WSOD is really getting on my nerves. > >> Quite simple but "dirty": > >> 1) download a tar.gz version of shr which was running and the uImage, > >> let's say the one built on 10th of april, before the big upgrade. > >> 2) get the /lib/modules/2.6.29-r2 dir out of the tar.gz > >> 3) copy it to your FR with scp, obviously it should be in /lib/modules > >> 4) run "depmod -ae" from your FR > >> 5a) if you are using the flash, use dfu-util to flash the kernel > >> 5b) if you are using the uSD, copy the uImage in the right place > >> > >> There are other ways like using opkg or something similar but, hey, this > >> is simple and it's working :D > >> > >> Bye! > >> > >> Pietro > >> > >> > > > > Thank you for the solution. But why just SHR developers do not revert > > the kernel packages in testing and leave newer in unstable? > > > > > > It seems that I've found the way to avoid WSOD. If is somehow connected > with the backlight of the display. If you live it at 100% the WSOD will > not happen. > > just did a test with the latest builds but WSOD is still an issue :( Thanks Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090506/23f8b6dc/attachment.htm From david at tuxbrain.com Wed May 6 11:39:55 2009 From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:39:55 +0200 Subject: Download Link OM 2007 ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5c6ceea80905060239w2f3748c3kee28c2490e61a255@mail.gmail.com> I only have found http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/obsolete-images/Om2007.11/images/neo1973/ but seems is only for gta01, can any body confirm this? 2009/5/6 Christoph Pulster : > Hi, > > where can I find OM 2007 distribution to download ? > OM 2007 = the system units are shipped from factory. > AFAIK this version is not available, if so, why ? > > Thanks, > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! From iknowjoseph at gmail.com Wed May 6 11:44:30 2009 From: iknowjoseph at gmail.com (Joseph Reeves) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:44:30 +0100 Subject: Download Link OM 2007 ? In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80905060239w2f3748c3kee28c2490e61a255@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c6ceea80905060239w2f3748c3kee28c2490e61a255@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <958244340905060244k530391aqddee692a36708e2@mail.gmail.com> Could you use DFU-util to get OM2007.2 off one of your phones? Seems broken at the moment, however: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/676 Joseph 2009/5/6 David Reyes Samblas Martinez : > I only have found > ?http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/obsolete-images/Om2007.11/images/neo1973/ > but seems is only for gta01, can any body confirm this? > > 2009/5/6 Christoph Pulster : >> Hi, >> >> where can I find OM 2007 distribution to download ? >> OM 2007 = the system units are shipped from factory. >> AFAIK this version is not available, if so, why ? >> >> Thanks, >> Chris >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > > -- > David Reyes Samblas Martinez > http://www.tuxbrain.com > Open ultraportable & embedded solutions > Openmoko, Openpandora, ?Arduino > Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From anas.lbn at gmail.com Wed May 6 11:45:19 2009 From: anas.lbn at gmail.com (Anas Alzouhbi) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:45:19 +0200 Subject: error with dbus Message-ID: Hello! I developped a simple code using dbus, it successed on PC, but it failed on the freerunner showing this error messaj: Connection Error (dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch requested, but X11 support not compiled in. Cannot continue. ) the attached file is my code sender.c what is the reaseon, and what should I do -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <958244340905060244k530391aqddee692a36708e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c6ceea80905060239w2f3748c3kee28c2490e61a255@mail.gmail.com> <958244340905060244k530391aqddee692a36708e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5c6ceea80905060248r5bd19008t6155aadefb042127@mail.gmail.com> no DFU util is not an option, you better use NeoTool to do a backup image. 2009/5/6 Joseph Reeves : > Could you use DFU-util to get OM2007.2 off one of your phones? > > Seems broken at the moment, however: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/676 > > Joseph > > > > 2009/5/6 David Reyes Samblas Martinez : >> I only have found >> ?http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/obsolete-images/Om2007.11/images/neo1973/ >> but seems is only for gta01, can any body confirm this? >> >> 2009/5/6 Christoph Pulster : >>> Hi, >>> >>> where can I find OM 2007 distribution to download ? >>> OM 2007 = the system units are shipped from factory. >>> AFAIK this version is not available, if so, why ? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Chris >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Openmoko community mailing list >>> community at lists.openmoko.org >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> David Reyes Samblas Martinez >> http://www.tuxbrain.com >> Open ultraportable & embedded solutions >> Openmoko, Openpandora, ?Arduino >> Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! From cchandel at yahoo.com Wed May 6 11:55:36 2009 From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 02:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770905020314h6191accav9ff37a968667b1ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <1239071533739-2596701.post@n2.nabble.com> <1240365483670-2673672.post@n2.nabble.com> <26fea52c0904221251ka285390xf0564b023c974c38@mail.gmail.com> <1240534653630-2689065.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905010431wb3d19d6qe950591c165e2b3e@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905010437v6742ae19u165c6e905b0ad132@mail.gmail.com> <1241188660584-2753590.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905011922t67b076bcx950083d5159fe2c8@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905020314h6191accav9ff37a968667b1ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241603736204-2810025.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Robin Paulson wrote: > >> 1. could you provide a setting for the default directory at startup? > I'm not sure what you mean. I wrote intone with the idea that you don't need to deal with directories at all. Add songs, select/edit a playlist, and that gets loaded when you start. Or are you talking about a default directory in the directory browser? Robin Paulson wrote: > >>2. is there any chance of getting songs displayed with their id3 tags, >>rather than filenames? > Thats going along - though slowly. I'm going to release a new version by the weekend that allows the user to toggle to a different view with album art and id3 tags (if available). Do you want id3 tags in the list too? Robin Paulson wrote: > >>3. there's an annoying flickering whenever i enter a new directory in > ?the 'add albums' page. > Are you talking about the 1st entry getting selected/unselected 3 times or 4? That seems to happen when I use genlists - seems like an elementary thing - though it could be my fault. Let me try and solve that. The new version will also have sliders for bass and treble. And some cleanups. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-%280.30---beta-release%29-Elementary-based-mplayer-frontend-tp2587826p2810025.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From cchandel at yahoo.com Wed May 6 11:59:52 2009 From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 02:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Tasks Client for FR In-Reply-To: <3af1ca186c.6bd73b8d@pop3.rambler.ru> References: <1239243975953-2609094.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770904081936j6660661bve099712453140e18@mail.gmail.com> <1239249933644-2609376.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770904082205q20690188x88150d06b8d7371c@mail.gmail.com> <1239257072219-2609563.post@n2.nabble.com> <40cd9ce40904090051r37f67c4ajfb27708ef59bd15f@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770904091531l5e555eddg868621655b9dea2c@mail.gmail.com> <40cd9ce40904100108v4f42be57y102268dc9d4038db@mail.gmail.com> <1239739368845-2635064.post@n2.nabble.com> <40cd9ce40904150105p5b725c3ej861539b9f12c1b1e@mail.gmail.com> <40cd9ce40904150106x158e8497wfc8a85bf2349f558@mail.gmail.com> <20090415090711.219430@gmx.net> <40cd9ce40904150216o2e425641v1cebd7ee909e6148@mail.gmail.com> <49F3571D.7010904@gmx.de> <1241056459885-2744620.post@n2.nabble.com> <3af1ca186c.6bd73b8d@pop3.rambler.ru> Message-ID: <1241603992560-2810128.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Vladimir Berezenko wrote: > > Does it have an interface to add tasks from > other apps (e.x. PIM birthdays)? > No. Not yet. Haven't used PIM birthdays myself. Though that shouldn't be difficult considering the data (for the tasks app) is in a sqlite db. Is PIM birthdays a debian app? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Tasks-Client-for-FR-tp2609094p2810128.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From liedekef at telenet.be Wed May 6 12:06:42 2009 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:06:42 +0200 Subject: Tasks Client for FR In-Reply-To: <1241603992560-2810128.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1239243975953-2609094.post@n2.nabble.com> <1239739368845-2635064.post@n2.nabble.com> <40cd9ce40904150105p5b725c3ej861539b9f12c1b1e@mail.gmail.com> <40cd9ce40904150106x158e8497wfc8a85bf2349f558@mail.gmail.com> <20090415090711.219430@gmx.net> <40cd9ce40904150216o2e425641v1cebd7ee909e6148@mail.gmail.com> <49F3571D.7010904@gmx.de> <1241056459885-2744620.post@n2.nabble.com> <3af1ca186c.6bd73b8d@pop3.rambler.ru> <1241603992560-2810128.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <60567dcc0905060306t10517bdcn68d9f87c3bbf47a6@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:59 AM, c_c wrote: > > Hi, > > Vladimir Berezenko wrote: >> >> Does it have an interface to add tasks from >> other apps (e.x. PIM birthdays)? >> > ?No. Not yet. Haven't used PIM birthdays myself. > ?Though that shouldn't be difficult considering the data (for the tasks app) > ?is in a sqlite db. > ?Is PIM birthdays a debian app? I think what Vladimir meant is "birthdays in the PIM application", not an application called "PIM birthdays" Franky From yogizz at gmail.com Wed May 6 12:18:36 2009 From: yogizz at gmail.com (Yogiz) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 13:18:36 +0300 Subject: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <1241603736204-2810025.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <1239071533739-2596701.post@n2.nabble.com> <1240365483670-2673672.post@n2.nabble.com> <26fea52c0904221251ka285390xf0564b023c974c38@mail.gmail.com> <1240534653630-2689065.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905010431wb3d19d6qe950591c165e2b3e@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905010437v6742ae19u165c6e905b0ad132@mail.gmail.com> <1241188660584-2753590.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905011922t67b076bcx950083d5159fe2c8@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905020314h6191accav9ff37a968667b1ce@mail.gmail.com> <1241603736204-2810025.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20090506131836.677074b6@blunt.home> If requests are in order I'll give you mine as well. Does it seem to me, or is Intone still lacking a "repeat" option. It's tiresome restarting the playlist when it runs out. Also, I suggest you still check files' existance before loading them as I've still had problems, when I load playlists where the files have been added, moved or deleted in the folder. I'd also be interested to know, how interfacing with dbus is coming along. The most important thing right now would be to get the CPU resource registration to work so we wouldn't have to disable autosuspend manually. Also, I'd really prefer if you'd make adding new music file-based instead of album/directory based. We should just be able to browse through directories and select multiple files and add them to the current playlist which should be savable. Other than that, good work, keep it up. Yogiz From yogizz at gmail.com Wed May 6 12:22:25 2009 From: yogizz at gmail.com (Yogiz) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 13:22:25 +0300 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> References: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <20090506132225.04d26093@blunt.home> Bitter much? : ) On Wed, 06 May 2009 18:09:35 +1000 Dale Maggee wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > > The community work seems to be slowing down now (because of the > > summer?) > > My guess would be that a whole lot of people have realised that their > $400 Neo is better used as a boat anchor, and put them on ebay. or in > the microwave. > > > OM2009 testing 2 was released some days ago. So far ~3 e-mails on > > the list about it. > > New version of Mokomaze was released some days ago, too. Around 50 > > mails. To me this tells that people are more interested in Mokomaze > > than OM2009. > > Agreed - more people are interested in mokomaze, because they know > what kind of godawful crap to expect from OM and are avoiding it like > swine flu... which is strangely poetic IMHO (the metaphor of "Neo as > Swine Flu", that is). > > I'm starting to think that OM's real goal has always been to *not* > produce a working distro, in the hopes that some genius would come > along and do it for them. At which point they could say "we don't > need to make it work, Guy X has given us the excellent Distro Y"... > > I mean, look at it from the company's perspective: They already have > your money, and they know that they're totally mismanaged and will die > out before producing another device. Also they're a dodgy Taiwanese > company which makes them very difficult to prosecute under the > consumer protection laws of less dodgy countries (even though they are > technically legally bound by those laws), so what's in it for them to > produce working software? > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFKAUW/FbVnQRV3OEYRAq9RAJ9rObFB6hKp2V149Nh77rZdtZD34gCfRDAd > klJyMizgksoWzba1EEJ6MKU= > =R3Vr > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From openmoko at ginguppin.de Wed May 6 12:32:43 2009 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 12:32:43 +0200 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <20090506132225.04d26093@blunt.home> References: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> <20090506132225.04d26093@blunt.home> Message-ID: > Bitter much? : ) nope. he's just a troll. > On Wed, 06 May 2009 18:09:35 +1000 > Dale Maggee wrote: ... From david at garabana.com Wed May 6 12:35:41 2009 From: david at garabana.com (David Garabana Barro) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:35:41 +0200 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> References: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <200905061235.41327.david@garabana.com> On Wednesday 06 May 2009 10:09:35 Dale Maggee wrote: > Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > > The community work seems to be slowing down now (because of the > > summer?) > > My guess would be that a whole lot of people have realised that their > $400 Neo is better used as a boat anchor, and put them on ebay. or in > the microwave. I suppose for using Neo as a boat anchor, we might change "Buzz Fix Parties" by "Lead fill parties" :P From joakim at verona.se Wed May 6 12:31:05 2009 From: joakim at verona.se (joakim at verona.se) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 12:31:05 +0200 Subject: wristwatch accessories? Message-ID: I would like some kind of wristwatch accessory to my phone. There are wristwatch phones but these doesnt seem hackable. I dont need the entire phone in the wristwatch, but it would be nice with a bluetooth enabled touch-display on the wrist. Does anyone know of something useful like this? -- Joakim Verona From arhuaco at freaks-unidos.net Wed May 6 12:38:27 2009 From: arhuaco at freaks-unidos.net (Nelson Castillo) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 05:38:27 -0500 Subject: shr - messages + wsod In-Reply-To: <3494db260905060219jeeafc8he1fe60c7907d8e56@mail.gmail.com> References: <200904161152.00320.hersche@puzzle.ch> <2accc2ff0904170941m6e60eb45ld1213804f8b94075@mail.gmail.com> <3494db260904210222v34b34200naea79e666e4c450@mail.gmail.com> <20090421134646.7be9e36a@penguin.cz> <1240316832.25913.9.camel@localhost> <49EE10D1.8000708@gmail.com> <1240349229.8486.6.camel@localhost> <49EF3542.2010700@gmail.com> <4A008D8B.3020708@gmail.com> <3494db260905060219jeeafc8he1fe60c7907d8e56@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2accc2ff0905060338h5132349cyca15dcf7546e06c7@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:19 AM, Tony Berth wrote: (cut) >> It seems that I've found the way to avoid WSOD. If is somehow connected >> with the backlight of the display. If you live it at 100% the WSOD will >> not happen. >> > > just did a test with the latest builds but WSOD is still an issue :( It has been reported it will not happen with Qi. From tonyberth at googlemail.com Wed May 6 12:47:48 2009 From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:47:48 +0200 Subject: shr - messages + wsod In-Reply-To: <2accc2ff0905060338h5132349cyca15dcf7546e06c7@mail.gmail.com> References: <200904161152.00320.hersche@puzzle.ch> <3494db260904210222v34b34200naea79e666e4c450@mail.gmail.com> <20090421134646.7be9e36a@penguin.cz> <1240316832.25913.9.camel@localhost> <49EE10D1.8000708@gmail.com> <1240349229.8486.6.camel@localhost> <49EF3542.2010700@gmail.com> <4A008D8B.3020708@gmail.com> <3494db260905060219jeeafc8he1fe60c7907d8e56@mail.gmail.com> <2accc2ff0905060338h5132349cyca15dcf7546e06c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3494db260905060347k39c40818saa7c94b232f4a25@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Nelson Castillo wrote: > On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:19 AM, Tony Berth > wrote: > (cut) > >> It seems that I've found the way to avoid WSOD. If is somehow connected > >> with the backlight of the display. If you live it at 100% the WSOD will > >> not happen. > >> > > > > just did a test with the latest builds but WSOD is still an issue :( > > It has been reported it will not happen with Qi. > > I did install Qi prior to that! Thanks Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090506/cefe12f1/attachment.htm From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com Wed May 6 12:56:21 2009 From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:56:21 +0200 Subject: Havint trouble to trying out om2009 on sD card In-Reply-To: References: <5c6ceea80905052351u7f4b449ay9980f4723f9d278b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >> rw >> loglevel = 8 > > Extra spaces here! To be on the safe side, do everything on one > (first) line like this: rw loglevel=8 Yes that was the problem. rw loglevel=8 And booted fine. After I deleted the loglevel=8 parameter to be faster. So the problem solved, thank you very much! Best regards, Laszlo From cchandel at yahoo.com Wed May 6 13:03:55 2009 From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 04:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <20090506131836.677074b6@blunt.home> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <1239071533739-2596701.post@n2.nabble.com> <1240365483670-2673672.post@n2.nabble.com> <26fea52c0904221251ka285390xf0564b023c974c38@mail.gmail.com> <1240534653630-2689065.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905010431wb3d19d6qe950591c165e2b3e@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905010437v6742ae19u165c6e905b0ad132@mail.gmail.com> <1241188660584-2753590.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905011922t67b076bcx950083d5159fe2c8@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905020314h6191accav9ff37a968667b1ce@mail.gmail.com> <1241603736204-2810025.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090506131836.677074b6@blunt.home> Message-ID: <1241607835986-2811674.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Yogiz wrote: > >>If requests are in order I'll give you mine as well. > :-) - Yup, requests are welcome. Yogiz wrote: > >> is Intone still lacking a "repeat" option. It's >>tiresome restarting the playlist when it runs out. > Ok. I'm assuming you want the playlist to repeat after it ends. Will add that as an option. Yogiz wrote: > > Also, I suggest you > still check files' existance before loading them as I've still had > problems, when I load playlists where the files have been added, moved > or deleted in the folder. > Hmmm. I *am* checking for the files presence - but apparently the way I handle missing files is not too great. Will have to sort that out. Yogiz wrote: > > I'd also be interested to know, how interfacing with dbus is coming > along. > Thats partially done. request resource (CPU) works - but pause on incoming calls is a little flaky. Should be done by the weekend though. Yogiz wrote: > > Also, I'd really prefer if you'd make adding new music file-based > instead of album/directory based. > Ok. This will take a little time - but I'll add that as an alternate. Yogiz wrote: > >>Other than that, good work, keep it up. > Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-%280.30---beta-release%29-Elementary-based-mplayer-frontend-tp2587826p2811674.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From cchandel at yahoo.com Wed May 6 13:07:45 2009 From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 04:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Tasks Client for FR In-Reply-To: <60567dcc0905060306t10517bdcn68d9f87c3bbf47a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <1239243975953-2609094.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770904081936j6660661bve099712453140e18@mail.gmail.com> <1239249933644-2609376.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770904082205q20690188x88150d06b8d7371c@mail.gmail.com> <1239257072219-2609563.post@n2.nabble.com> <40cd9ce40904090051r37f67c4ajfb27708ef59bd15f@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770904091531l5e555eddg868621655b9dea2c@mail.gmail.com> <40cd9ce40904100108v4f42be57y102268dc9d4038db@mail.gmail.com> <1239739368845-2635064.post@n2.nabble.com> <40cd9ce40904150105p5b725c3ej861539b9f12c1b1e@mail.gmail.com> <40cd9ce40904150106x158e8497wfc8a85bf2349f558@mail.gmail.com> <20090415090711.219430@gmx.net> <40cd9ce40904150216o2e425641v1cebd7ee909e6148@mail.gmail.com> <49F3571D.7010904@gmx.de> <1241056459885-2744620.post@n2.nabble.com> <3af1ca186c.6bd73b8d@pop3.rambler.ru> <1241603992560-2810128.post@n2.nabble.com> <60567dcc0905060306t10517bdcn68d9f87c3bbf47a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241608065497-2811772.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, liedekef wrote: > > I think what Vladimir meant is "birthdays in the PIM application", not > an application called "PIM birthdays" > Ok. But I'm still not clear. Which app are we talking about in which distribution? I dont see this in SHR/FSO. Or am I missing something? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Tasks-Client-for-FR-tp2609094p2811772.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From perezdiez at gmail.com Wed May 6 13:14:23 2009 From: perezdiez at gmail.com (Jose Luis Perez Diez) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 13:14:23 +0200 Subject: error with dbus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905061314.24305.perezdiez@gmail.com> El Wednesday, 6 de May de 2009 11:45:19 Anas Alzouhbi va escriure: > Hello! > I developped a simple code using dbus, it successed on PC, but it > failed on the freerunner > showing this error messaj: > > Connection Error (dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: > Autolaunch requested, but X11 support not compiled in. > Cannot continue. > ) I think the problem is that you are conecting to the session dbus instead to the system dbus and thesting it in X11 on the PC. From fercerpav at gmail.com Wed May 6 13:17:20 2009 From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 15:17:20 +0400 Subject: [Om2008.x] Announcing BlueMoko 1.0b1 In-Reply-To: <4A015418.6020409@djdas.net> (djdas@djdas.net's message of "Wed\, 06 May 2009 11\:10\:48 +0200") References: <4A015418.6020409@djdas.net> Message-ID: DJDAS writes: > this is for announcing the first beta release of BlueMoko, a PyGTK GUI > handler for the bluetooth stack. ... > I still don't support FSO based distributions ... > Dependencies: PyGTK, Bluez-3.33 OM2008.x was deprecated half a year ago (moreover, many people think it was dead-born), Bluez-3.x were put to "maintenance mode" for quite some time (a year?) too. I'm afraid you missed the train. :( And BTW, FSO-based distros should now support bluetooth headsets out of the box, one needs to follow instructions from [1]. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com From jackramone at googlemail.com Wed May 6 13:34:02 2009 From: jackramone at googlemail.com (Jakob) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 13:34:02 +0200 Subject: shr-config In-Reply-To: <629966ef0905051559w1caa0d93qfc289469184835db@mail.gmail.com> References: <629966ef0905051559w1caa0d93qfc289469184835db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <85aed13c0905060434i3d95a60bvb11161aa9275d664@mail.gmail.com> Do you mean shr-settings? It should be already present on the image. Jake On 5/6/09, Nacho Seijo wrote: > Today I flashed shr-unstable. And I wanted to install shr-config. > But this is what i get: > root at om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install shr-config > Collected errors: > * Cannot find package shr-config. > > root at om-gta02 ~ $ opkg list |grep shr-config > root at om-gta02 ~ $ > > Has shr-config changed the name? It's not in the repository? > I liked it, and how it was progressing > > Regards > From robin.paulson at gmail.com Wed May 6 13:43:02 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:43:02 +0000 Subject: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <1241603736204-2810025.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <1240365483670-2673672.post@n2.nabble.com> <26fea52c0904221251ka285390xf0564b023c974c38@mail.gmail.com> <1240534653630-2689065.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905010431wb3d19d6qe950591c165e2b3e@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905010437v6742ae19u165c6e905b0ad132@mail.gmail.com> <1241188660584-2753590.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905011922t67b076bcx950083d5159fe2c8@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905020314h6191accav9ff37a968667b1ce@mail.gmail.com> <1241603736204-2810025.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770905060443q4c493920sca7035c1aa44c254@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/6 c_c : >>> 1. could you provide a setting for the default directory at startup? >> > ?I'm not sure what you mean. I wrote intone with the idea that you don't > need to deal with directories at all. Add songs, select/edit a playlist, and > that gets loaded when you start. > ?Or are you talking about a default directory in the directory browser? > yes, i'm talking about a default directory. i prefer not to use the playlists, selecting albums folder by folder, using the file structure as if it was a library - much easier and simpler i find >>>2. is there any chance of getting songs displayed with their id3 tags, >>>rather than filenames? >> > ?Thats going along - though slowly. I'm going to release a new version by > the weekend that allows the user to toggle to a different view with album > art and id3 tags (if available). > ?Do you want id3 tags in the list too? yes, that'd be great. so long as it doesn't slow things down too much >>>3. there's an annoying flickering whenever i enter a new directory in >> ?the 'add albums' page. >> > ?Are you talking about the 1st entry getting selected/unselected 3 times or > 4? yes, you put it better than me > That seems to happen when I use genlists - seems like an elementary thing - > though it could be my fault. Let me try and solve that. great > ?The new version will also have sliders for bass and treble. And some > cleanups. i'd say: keep it simple and leave the sliders out - i know what a hard job it is mixing and mastering music for hundreds of different playback devices, and i'm not sure what we can add by clumsily tweaking the sound with a software EQ. i like intone *a lot* as it is. i think with the above things, it'd be perfect. so many apps get more and more bloated, adding (imo) unnecessary features. but that's just me oh, one other thing - can you make the play button change to a pause symbol when it's playing? cheers From billk at iinet.net.au Wed May 6 13:50:44 2009 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 19:50:44 +0800 Subject: shr-config In-Reply-To: <85aed13c0905060434i3d95a60bvb11161aa9275d664@mail.gmail.com> References: <629966ef0905051559w1caa0d93qfc289469184835db@mail.gmail.com> <85aed13c0905060434i3d95a60bvb11161aa9275d664@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241610644.32348.11.camel@rattus> no, there is a shr-config that is part of the "distro" target which should therefore be available as an install - if it would build. BillK On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 13:34 +0200, Jakob wrote: > Do you mean shr-settings? It should be already present on the image. > > Jake > > On 5/6/09, Nacho Seijo wrote: > > Today I flashed shr-unstable. And I wanted to install shr-config. > > But this is what i get: > > root at om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install shr-config > > Collected errors: > > * Cannot find package shr-config. > > > > root at om-gta02 ~ $ opkg list |grep shr-config > > root at om-gta02 ~ $ > > > > Has shr-config changed the name? It's not in the repository? > > I liked it, and how it was progressing > > > > Regards > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! From robin.paulson at gmail.com Wed May 6 13:56:40 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:56:40 +0000 Subject: wristwatch accessories? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2f3aa2770905060456r7c295977ya21bbf323efc49ab@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/6 : > I would like some kind of wristwatch accessory to my phone. > > There are wristwatch phones but these doesnt seem hackable. > > I dont need the entire phone in the wristwatch, but it would be nice > with a bluetooth enabled touch-display on the wrist. Does anyone know of > something useful like this? this place is good for any embedded linux stuff - try a search with "wrist watch" as the search term; that turned up a few hits for me http://linuxdevices.com/ From liedekef at telenet.be Wed May 6 13:59:56 2009 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 13:59:56 +0200 Subject: [Om2008.x] Announcing BlueMoko 1.0b1 In-Reply-To: References: <4A015418.6020409@djdas.net> Message-ID: <60567dcc0905060459t38687df1xab6a8e9228de0a0c@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Paul Fertser wrote: > DJDAS writes: >> this is for announcing the first beta release of BlueMoko, a PyGTK GUI >> handler for the bluetooth stack. > ... >> I still don't support FSO based distributions > ... >> Dependencies: PyGTK, Bluez-3.33 > > OM2008.x was deprecated half a year ago (moreover, many people think > it was dead-born), Bluez-3.x were put to "maintenance mode" for quite > some time (a year?) too. I'm afraid you missed the train. :( > > And BTW, FSO-based distros should now support bluetooth headsets out > of the box, one needs to follow instructions from [1]. > > [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner I beg to differ, but if those instructions mean "out of the box", then all commandline things are "out of the box" as well. Commandline instructions are very nice, but when you're in a car and try to pair with the car bluetooth, this is not practical at all. You need a gui there... Also, the person that wrote that wiki says "However, I couldn't get an actual voice over it, just crackling". If this is no longer true, somebody should change it. Franky From fercerpav at gmail.com Wed May 6 14:11:40 2009 From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 16:11:40 +0400 Subject: Bluetooth headsets in FSO (was: Re: [Om2008.x] Announcing BlueMoko 1.0b1) In-Reply-To: <60567dcc0905060459t38687df1xab6a8e9228de0a0c@mail.gmail.com> (Franky Van Liedekerke's message of "Wed\, 6 May 2009 13\:59\:56 +0200") References: <4A015418.6020409@djdas.net> <60567dcc0905060459t38687df1xab6a8e9228de0a0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Franky Van Liedekerke writes: >> And BTW, FSO-based distros should now support bluetooth headsets out >> of the box, one needs to follow instructions from [1]. >> >> [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner > > I beg to differ, but if those instructions mean "out of the box", then > all commandline things are "out of the box" as well. Commandline > instructions are very nice, but when you're in a car and try to pair > with the car bluetooth, this is not practical at all. You need a gui > there... You Qtopia guys seem to have a quite unusual (for a unix hackers) POV ;) Framework already supports BT headsets. The fact GUI is missing shows the lack of interest from end-users, well, i think it'll change soon. > Also, the person that wrote that wiki says "However, I couldn't get an > actual voice over it, just crackling". If this is no longer true, > somebody should change it. Somebody should finally try to use this support and report the findings. Of course, Jan, who wrote the code, tried it and it worked for him. And BTW please take into account it seems that not all headsets are compatible with BT chip we use (at least it was the case some time ago, i guess i need to try again with my not-working headset and latest bluez and bluetooth-testing kernel branch). -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com From djdas at djdas.net Wed May 6 14:29:55 2009 From: djdas at djdas.net (DJDAS) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 14:29:55 +0200 Subject: Bluetooth headsets in FSO In-Reply-To: References: <4A015418.6020409@djdas.net> <60567dcc0905060459t38687df1xab6a8e9228de0a0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A0182C3.7040300@djdas.net> Paul Fertser ha scritto: > Franky Van Liedekerke writes: > >>> And BTW, FSO-based distros should now support bluetooth headsets out >>> of the box, one needs to follow instructions from [1]. >>> >>> [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner >>> >> I beg to differ, but if those instructions mean "out of the box", then >> all commandline things are "out of the box" as well. Commandline >> instructions are very nice, but when you're in a car and try to pair >> with the car bluetooth, this is not practical at all. You need a gui >> there... >> > > You Qtopia guys seem to have a quite unusual (for a unix hackers) POV > ;) > > Framework already supports BT headsets. The fact GUI is missing shows > the lack of interest from end-users, well, i think it'll change soon. > > The fact stable telephony is still missing since 2 years doesn't seem lack of interest :P Seriously: BlueMoko is intended mainly as GUI for Bluetooth because every 20? phone has its own... I started as proof-of-concept with those dependencies as they are the most stable to my daily use distro and working properly for my experiments, but consider it uses only DBUS calls to Bluez so if APIs don't change too much (I have to verify) it should work with Bluez4 too and for FSO I plan to integrate compatibility with it to let it work with every distro (except qtopia based obviously, but they should still have their BT GUI). Furthermore I didn't read of A2DP support in FSO and BlueMoko started with it in mind ;) If FSO team agrees too, they can integrate my future plans (file exchange, AVRCP, networking...) and we can work together to provide full BT support, provided I'd like to customize GUI handling to achieve compatibility with different toolkits (GTK, Elementary, console, etc..) Bye! From liedekef at telenet.be Wed May 6 14:40:38 2009 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 14:40:38 +0200 Subject: Bluetooth headsets in FSO (was: Re: [Om2008.x] Announcing BlueMoko 1.0b1) In-Reply-To: References: <4A015418.6020409@djdas.net> <60567dcc0905060459t38687df1xab6a8e9228de0a0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60567dcc0905060540g2faefaabk1f8518a9bd0dec84@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Paul Fertser wrote: > Franky Van Liedekerke writes: >>> And BTW, FSO-based distros should now support bluetooth headsets out >>> of the box, one needs to follow instructions from [1]. >>> >>> [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner >> >> I beg to differ, but if those instructions mean "out of the box", then >> all commandline things are "out of the box" as well. Commandline >> instructions are very nice, but when you're in a car and try to pair >> with the car bluetooth, this is not practical at all. You need a gui >> there... > > You Qtopia guys seem to have a quite unusual (for a unix hackers) POV > ;) then you try to enter your commands on your FR in your car ... I think I just as well can put my phone aside, drive to my destination, tell them to wait half an hour, go back and start typing :-) > Framework already supports BT headsets. The fact GUI is missing shows > the lack of interest from end-users, well, i think it'll change soon. hmm ... I thought end-users were people actually using the phone, not unix-hackers ... but I saw the announcement of a bluetooth gui for Om2008, aboeit for bluez3. Oh wait, that's what qtopia does as well :-) But since the newer kernels are there: no bluez3, thus no qtopia bluetooth ... hopefully for Om2009 final that'll change. >> Also, the person that wrote that wiki says "However, I couldn't get an >> actual voice over it, just crackling". If this is no longer true, >> somebody should change it. > > Somebody should finally try to use this support and report the > findings. Of course, Jan, who wrote the code, tried it and it worked > for him. And BTW please take into account it seems that not all > headsets are compatible with BT chip we use (at least it was the case > some time ago, i guess i need to try again with my not-working headset > and latest bluez and bluetooth-testing kernel branch). heh, trying to get your non-working headset to work, are you? :-) Franky From cchandel at yahoo.com Wed May 6 14:49:59 2009 From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 05:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770905060443q4c493920sca7035c1aa44c254@mail.gmail.com> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <1239071533739-2596701.post@n2.nabble.com> <1240365483670-2673672.post@n2.nabble.com> <26fea52c0904221251ka285390xf0564b023c974c38@mail.gmail.com> <1240534653630-2689065.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905010431wb3d19d6qe950591c165e2b3e@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905010437v6742ae19u165c6e905b0ad132@mail.gmail.com> <1241188660584-2753590.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905011922t67b076bcx950083d5159fe2c8@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905020314h6191accav9ff37a968667b1ce@mail.gmail.com> <1241603736204-2810025.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905060443q4c493920sca7035c1aa44c254@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241614199610-2814123.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Robin Paulson wrote: > >>yes, i'm talking about a default directory. >>i prefer not to use the playlists, selecting albums folder by folder, >>using the file structure as if it was a library - much easier and >>simpler i find > If I understand you correctly, you're looking at adding a folder and letting intone play it. As of now, if you add the root folder of your music to intone, you'll get all your folders added as albums and playlists automatically. Then - you just use the playlist you want (which is the same as selecting that folder). Or am I missing something you want? Robin Paulson wrote: > >>> ?Do you want id3 tags in the list too? >>yes, that'd be great. so long as it doesn't slow things down too much > It *will* slow down the initial scan at the very least. And increase dependency on another set of libraries. Let me think over this. Robin Paulson wrote: > >>> ?The new version will also have sliders for bass and treble. >>i'd say: keep it simple and leave the sliders out > I was looking at controlling the bass and treble levels in the WM8753 tone control. Not software based. Robin Paulson wrote: > > oh, one other thing - can you make the play button change to a pause > symbol when it's playing? > :-) That's been one thing I've always managed to miss in every release. Will do that this time. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-%280.30---beta-release%29-Elementary-based-mplayer-frontend-tp2587826p2814123.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From djdas at djdas.net Wed May 6 16:11:04 2009 From: djdas at djdas.net (DJDAS) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 16:11:04 +0200 Subject: Bluetooth headsets in FSO In-Reply-To: <60567dcc0905060540g2faefaabk1f8518a9bd0dec84@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A015418.6020409@djdas.net> <60567dcc0905060459t38687df1xab6a8e9228de0a0c@mail.gmail.com> <60567dcc0905060540g2faefaabk1f8518a9bd0dec84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A019A78.5060406@djdas.net> Franky Van Liedekerke ha scritto: >> Framework already supports BT headsets. The fact GUI is missing shows >> the lack of interest from end-users, well, i think it'll change soon. >> > hmm ... I thought end-users were people actually using the phone, not > unix-hackers ... That's why I wrote it ;) > but I saw the announcement of a bluetooth gui for > Om2008, aboeit for bluez3. Well those are "minimum requirements" as I couldn't test other distros but, as I wrote in the last post, I use only DBUS calls to Bluez so maybe it should work on other distros (probably in FSO to given I don't use FSO calls yet...). The only userspace dependency is PyGTK but I think almost every distro has it installed. I think the only real issue could be the power and reset /sys files which change between different kernel versions... I accept suggestions and patches too :P Thank you, bye! From liedekef at telenet.be Wed May 6 16:20:45 2009 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:20:45 +0200 Subject: Bluetooth headsets in FSO In-Reply-To: <4A019A78.5060406@djdas.net> References: <4A015418.6020409@djdas.net> <60567dcc0905060459t38687df1xab6a8e9228de0a0c@mail.gmail.com> <60567dcc0905060540g2faefaabk1f8518a9bd0dec84@mail.gmail.com> <4A019A78.5060406@djdas.net> Message-ID: <60567dcc0905060720q35e1203esdd443aa7e8db800d@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:11 PM, DJDAS wrote: > Franky Van Liedekerke ha scritto: >>> Framework already supports BT headsets. The fact GUI is missing shows >>> the lack of interest from end-users, well, i think it'll change soon. >>> >> hmm ... I thought end-users were people actually using the phone, not >> unix-hackers ... > > That's why I wrote it ;) > >> but I saw the announcement of a bluetooth gui for >> Om2008, aboeit for bluez3. > Well those are "minimum requirements" as I couldn't test other distros > but, as I wrote in the last post, I use only DBUS calls to Bluez so > maybe it should work on other distros (probably in FSO to given I don't > use FSO calls yet...). The only userspace dependency is PyGTK but I > think almost every distro has it installed. > I think the only real issue could be the power and reset /sys files > which change between different kernel versions... I accept suggestions > and patches too :P sure you do :-) DBUS calls have changed quite a lot between bluez3 and bluez4. I face the same problem for QtEi, but I don't feel like doing all that work on my own there (it's quite a big code change). So for now QtEi has no bluetooth in newer kernels (if they don't provide the bluez3 package anymore). Franky From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt Wed May 6 16:21:24 2009 From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (Vasco =?iso-8859-15?b?Tul2b2E=?=) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 15:21:24 +0100 Subject: [shr-testing] kernel with working g_ether to Windoze connection? Message-ID: <20090506152124.55736i7mc0th499g@w0.mail.sapo.pt> Hi folks. The opkg upgrade broke the USB connectivity to Windows boxes once again. Can anyone tell me which kernel versions have this running? Thx. V. From monnier at iro.umontreal.ca Wed May 6 17:00:27 2009 From: monnier at iro.umontreal.ca (Stefan Monnier) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 11:00:27 -0400 Subject: [OT] Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> <200905052334.53180.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <200905060919.57587.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: >> They run Linux on TVs now?? What kind of processing is a TV doing that >> needs an OS overseeing it? > I think it started with MHEG engines for DVB, and EPG. Next they > started adding things like SD and USB with media viewers. This one's > got an ethernet port that's currently unused, but some use them for > streaming media playback. > The problem is the usual one - things that don't quite behave as you > want them to, or functions the hardware's capable of but they > haven't implemented. Is the firmware's source available somewhere? Stefan From wee.kiampeng at orangeknob.com Wed May 6 17:07:38 2009 From: wee.kiampeng at orangeknob.com (Kiam Peng Wee) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 23:07:38 +0800 Subject: [OT] Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV In-Reply-To: References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> <200905052334.53180.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <200905060919.57587.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <896a62680905060807q6c194501x8ea636d7b93b8d95@mail.gmail.com> > > Is the firmware's source available somewhere? > http://products.sel.sony.com/linux/source.htm from sony. KP From monnier at iro.umontreal.ca Wed May 6 17:04:49 2009 From: monnier at iro.umontreal.ca (Stefan Monnier) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 11:04:49 -0400 Subject: [SHR] emacs package References: <0919B245-F105-4C86-9423-87004C016551@quru.com> Message-ID: > It's been asked before but I can't find any references to a package > for Emacs. Does such exist? If not, how can I get Emacs running - If you run Debian on your FR, then you can just "aptitude install emacs". > doesn't need to be xemacs as I'm quite happy to run it either in > terminal or via a remote session. Not sure what you mean by that, since Emacs is not just a terminal application. Maybe you're one of the few remaining victims of the confusion "XEmacs is Emacs for X"? Stefan From monnier at iro.umontreal.ca Wed May 6 17:10:58 2009 From: monnier at iro.umontreal.ca (Stefan Monnier) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 11:10:58 -0400 Subject: [SHR] emacs package References: <0919B245-F105-4C86-9423-87004C016551@quru.com> <87pren14rm.fsf@ash.lupan-home> Message-ID: >> It's been asked before but I can't find any references to a package >> for emacs. Does such exist? If not, how can I get emacs running - >> doesn't need to be xemacs as I'm quite happy to run it either in >> terminal or via a remote session. > I install joe which includes jmacs an emacs-like editor. I also recommend Zile if you're looking for a "poor man's Emacs". Among the "small emacs-like editors", it's the one that's closest to the real thing (both visually and in its behavior). Stefan PS: And on my Debian-i686 desktop, Zile is about 1/3 the size of Joe. From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Wed May 6 17:20:03 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 08:20:03 -0700 Subject: [shr-testing] kernel with working g_ether to Windoze connection? In-Reply-To: <20090506152124.55736i7mc0th499g@w0.mail.sapo.pt> References: <20090506152124.55736i7mc0th499g@w0.mail.sapo.pt> Message-ID: switch to linux! or do a dual boot. i dont know how anyone could manage to do anything with an openmoko without some kind of linux box. plus its free : ) 2009/5/6 Vasco N?voa : > > Hi folks. > > The opkg upgrade broke the USB connectivity to Windows boxes once again. > > Can anyone tell me which kernel versions have this running? > > Thx. > > V. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Wed May 6 17:33:30 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 08:33:30 -0700 Subject: shr-testing pimlico window size and power shortcut Message-ID: hello again folks. question 1: last night i installed the 2 availabile parts of the 4 part pimlico set of tools. tasks works well but dates[calendar] is having some issues. when started in the upright position the magnify button is place outside of the visible window. when started in the clockwise 90* position the magnify button shows. keeping the dates app open then rotating the screen back to upright and the magnify button magically re-appears into the visible window. switch to the GTK-theme and the magnify button has no issues at all. so.. is there anyway to set the max window size with .desktop files? i added X-home-applet-maxwidth=480 but that did nothing to help. question 2: for some reason or another i seem to be setting my power settings to different was quite often. and my impatience is starting to show. loading shr-settings then waiting to it to open, then loading the power module and waiting for it to open are getting to me. is there any way that i can make a desktop shortcut that only fires the power module? ive noticed that i can switch between "power" and "settings" with the task switcher which makes me think they are separate entities - jeremy From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt Wed May 6 17:38:42 2009 From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (Vasco =?iso-8859-15?b?Tul2b2E=?=) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 16:38:42 +0100 Subject: [shr-testing] kernel with working g_ether to Windoze connection? In-Reply-To: References: <20090506152124.55736i7mc0th499g@w0.mail.sapo.pt> Message-ID: <20090506163842.139830w5nt0tfjsy@w0.mail.sapo.pt> I would, but I don't think my employer would agree. :) I use nothing but FLOSS everywhere, except of course at work, where I have to use the "official workstation software"... :P And it is very handy to hack the latest tweaks on my neo while waiting for a compilation to finish... ;) Right now, the Neo is networkless with SHR-testing in a Windows environment: - wifi is no good; - bluetooth way too complicated; - USB doesn't work; - GPRS stalls and doesn't allow opkg update, so forget upgrade.... SO GIMME THE WORKIN KERNEL ALREADY!!! :D I just find it strange all this back and forth, one version it works, the next it doesn't, then it works again, then not.... is that patch so difficult to keep alive?? Citando jeremy jozwik : > switch to linux! or do a dual boot. i dont know how anyone could > manage to do anything with an openmoko without some kind of linux box. > > plus its free : ) > > 2009/5/6 Vasco N?voa : >> >> Hi folks. >> >> The opkg upgrade broke the USB connectivity to Windows boxes once again. >> >> Can anyone tell me which kernel versions have this running? >> >> Thx. >> >> V. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From fercerpav at gmail.com Wed May 6 17:39:47 2009 From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 19:39:47 +0400 Subject: Bluetooth headsets in FSO In-Reply-To: <4A019A78.5060406@djdas.net> (djdas@djdas.net's message of "Wed\, 06 May 2009 16\:11\:04 +0200") References: <4A015418.6020409@djdas.net> <60567dcc0905060459t38687df1xab6a8e9228de0a0c@mail.gmail.com> <60567dcc0905060540g2faefaabk1f8518a9bd0dec84@mail.gmail.com> <4A019A78.5060406@djdas.net> Message-ID: DJDAS writes: > Franky Van Liedekerke ha scritto: >>> Framework already supports BT headsets. The fact GUI is missing shows >>> the lack of interest from end-users, well, i think it'll change soon. >>> >> hmm ... I thought end-users were people actually using the phone, not >> unix-hackers ... > > That's why I wrote it ;) It's very nice you work on it. Too bad you use a dead-born deprecated distro ;) >> but I saw the announcement of a bluetooth gui for >> Om2008, aboeit for bluez3. > Well those are "minimum requirements" as I couldn't test other distros > but, as I wrote in the last post, I use only DBUS calls to Bluez so > maybe it should work on other distros (probably in FSO to given I don't > use FSO calls yet...). As Franky already mentioned, bluez3 and bluez4 interfaces are completely different, so porting won't be that easy :-/ > The only userspace dependency is PyGTK but I think almost every > distro has it installed. Yep, no problems with that. > I think the only real issue could be the power and reset /sys files > which change between different kernel versions... I accept > suggestions and patches too :P One of the reasons FSO integrates functionality of powering and resetting devices is exactly that. Higher level app devs shouldn't be bothered with kernel changes, FSO quickly adopts to it and you receive all updates free. In fact, you might like the idea of FSO, take a look at specs ;) -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Wed May 6 17:40:22 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:40:22 +0200 Subject: shr-testing pimlico window size and power shortcut In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 17:33, jeremy jozwik wrote: > question 2: > for some reason or another i seem to be setting my power settings to > different was quite often. and my impatience is starting to show. > loading shr-settings then waiting to it to open, then loading the > power module and waiting for it to open are getting to me. is there > any way that i can make a desktop shortcut that only fires the power > module? ive noticed that i can switch between "power" and "settings" > with the task switcher which makes me think they are separate entities "shr-settings --help" will help you :) I think you are interested in that command: shr-settings Power shr_pm.Pm shr_device_timeouts.Timeouts That's part from shr-settings code, which lists available modules and defines default categories: dirs = [ [_("Phone"),"icon_phone.png", [ 'shr_gsm.Gsm', 'shr_call.Call', 'shr_sim.Sim' ] ], [_("Profiles"),"icon_profiles.png", [ 'shr_profile.Profile', 'shr_currentprofile.CurrentProfile' ] ], [_("Connectivity"),"icon_connectivity.png", [ 'shr_wifi.Wifi', 'shr_gprs.Gprs', 'shr_usb.Usb', 'shr_bt.Bt' ] ], [_("GPS"), "icon_gps.png", [ 'shr_gps.Gps' ] ], [_("Date/time"),"icon_datetime.png", [ 'shr_clock.Clock' ] ], [_("Power"),"icon_power.png", [ 'shr_battery.Battery', 'shr_display.Display', 'shr_pm.Pm' , 'shr_device_timeouts.Timeouts' ] ], [_("Services"),"icon_services.png", [ 'shr_services.Services' ] ], [_("Others"), "icon_others.png", [ 'shr_test.Test' ] ] ] In command line you can use all of them and combine it to your own group. For instance, i'm using that command when holding AUX button: shr-settings "AUX menu" shr_profile.Profile shr_display.Display shr_pm.Pm If you have more questions about shr-settings, feel free to ask me :) From fercerpav at gmail.com Wed May 6 18:12:43 2009 From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 20:12:43 +0400 Subject: [shr-testing] kernel with working g_ether to Windoze connection? In-Reply-To: <20090506163842.139830w5nt0tfjsy@w0.mail.sapo.pt> ("Vasco =?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E9voa=22's?= message of "Wed\, 06 May 2009 16\:38\:42 +0100") References: <20090506152124.55736i7mc0th499g@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <20090506163842.139830w5nt0tfjsy@w0.mail.sapo.pt> Message-ID: Vasco N?voa writes: > I would, but I don't think my employer would agree. :) > I use nothing but FLOSS everywhere, except of course at work, where I > have to use the "official workstation software"... :P > And it is very handy to hack the latest tweaks on my neo while waiting > for a compilation to finish... ;) > Right now, the Neo is networkless with SHR-testing in a Windows environment: > - wifi is no good; Would you mind sharing the details? Which AP, what particular problems? > - bluetooth way too complicated; Not any more complicated than with any other GNU/Linux device. > - GPRS stalls and doesn't allow opkg update, so forget upgrade.... Well, probably it'll be solved with the new abyss muxer. > SO GIMME THE WORKIN KERNEL ALREADY!!! :D Why don't you just specify which kernel revision works and which doesn't? How any kernel dev is supposed to solve your problems if you even don't properly describe it? Why don't you use the kernel that worked on your FR in the meantime? -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt Wed May 6 18:43:43 2009 From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (Vasco Nevoa) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 17:43:43 +0100 Subject: [shr-testing] kernel with working g_ether to Windoze connection? In-Reply-To: References: <20090506152124.55736i7mc0th499g@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <20090506163842.139830w5nt0tfjsy@w0.mail.sapo.pt> Message-ID: <4A01BE3F.9010707@sapo.pt> Paul Fertser escreveu: > Vasco N?voa writes: > >> - GPRS stalls and doesn't allow opkg update, so forget upgrade.... >> > Well, probably it'll be solved with the new abyss muxer. > > That's good to know. >> SO GIMME THE WORKIN KERNEL ALREADY!!! :D >> > > Why don't you just specify which kernel revision works and which > doesn't? How any kernel dev is supposed to solve your problems if you > even don't properly describe it? Why don't you use the kernel that > worked on your FR in the meantime? > > If I knew, I wouldn't have a problem, would I? :) When I saw the usb and GPRS problems were gone, I assumed they wouldn't come back, at least so soon. So there was no reason to make note of which kernel I had. It is not common to lose a patch immediately after it is integrated... Apparently I was obviously wrong. I'm not here to make anyone angry, I just posed a simple question: does anyone know which versions work? Thanks for the attention. From giacomomariani at yahoo.it Wed May 6 18:49:08 2009 From: giacomomariani at yahoo.it (giacomo "giotti" mariani) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 18:49:08 +0200 Subject: [SHR] emacs package In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A01BF84.8040003@yahoo.it> >> It's been asked before but I can't find any references to a package >> for Emacs. Does such exist? If not, how can I get Emacs running - >> Use vim in stead! > >> doesn't need to be xemacs as I'm quite happy to run it either in >> terminal or via a remote session. >> > > Not sure what you mean by that, since Emacs is not just a terminal > application. Maybe you're one of the few remaining victims of the > confusion "XEmacs is Emacs for X"? > > Use vim in stead! PS Use vim in stead! ;-) -- /_\ The ASCII Per comunicare in modo riservato: \_/ Ribbon Campaign gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net \ X Against HTML --recv-keys 20611EAD /_\ Email! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From fercerpav at gmail.com Wed May 6 19:05:34 2009 From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 21:05:34 +0400 Subject: [shr-testing] kernel with working g_ether to Windoze connection? In-Reply-To: <4A01BE3F.9010707@sapo.pt> (Vasco Nevoa's message of "Wed\, 06 May 2009 17\:43\:43 +0100") References: <20090506152124.55736i7mc0th499g@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <20090506163842.139830w5nt0tfjsy@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <4A01BE3F.9010707@sapo.pt> Message-ID: Vasco Nevoa writes: >> Why don't you just specify which kernel revision works and which >> doesn't? How any kernel dev is supposed to solve your problems if you >> even don't properly describe it? Why don't you use the kernel that >> worked on your FR in the meantime? >> >> > If I knew, I wouldn't have a problem, would I? :) At least you know the date (and the place you downloaded) the kernel had no problems and the problematic revision you use now, but you don't specify it. The kernel commit that finally fixed RNDIS issues was f63e59c84aa21d2745f115209bf949eca27008b1 and it was added to andy-tracking branch on Mar 16. I don't see anything related since then. Since you don't specify what revision you use now, i'm unable to even say if your rev includes the commit or not. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com Wed May 6 20:04:58 2009 From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 20:04:58 +0200 Subject: Enlightenment and .desktop file (with autostarting) Message-ID: Hi! I hope my questions are mainly rtfm ones, so someone can provide me the right links;) Short story: I installed om2009, and after I installed paroli from git. I could launch the new paroli (latest git) from command line. So I thought a little modification in /usr/share/paroli.desktop would be enough. I changed in the desktop file the Exec and TryExec line, but when I clicked on the Desktop button, nothing happened (didnt launch paroli). I even restarted the phone hoping it will magically load. But it loaded instead the old paroli application! even when no .desktop file existed for it. So I suspect there are definietly some caching mechanism inside E, and this is the reason why paroli failed to launch. Because when I changed every name in the .desktop file: Name, GenericName, Comment The icon magically begun to work. But when I start the phone the *old* paroli gets loaded. (I need to close it, and start the new one via the desktop button) So my question are: 1. Where are the autolaunching application defined (paroli starts automagically) 2. How can I force E to reload the .desktop file and execute it and not the old (cached) one. 3. How can I make sure the E autolaunch the right application? Any idea, documentation, comments are appreciated! Im playing since hours with this problem. Best regards, Laszlo From solar.george at googlemail.com Wed May 6 20:20:07 2009 From: solar.george at googlemail.com (George Brooke) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:20:07 +0100 Subject: Enlightenment and .desktop file (with autostarting) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905061920.16958.solar.george@googlemail.com> On Wednesday 06 May 2009 19:04:58 Laszlo KREKACS wrote: > Hi! > > I hope my questions are mainly rtfm ones, so someone can provide me > the right links;) > > Short story: > I installed om2009, and after I installed paroli from git. > I could launch the new paroli (latest git) from command line. > So I thought a little modification in /usr/share/paroli.desktop would be > enough. > > I changed in the desktop file the Exec and TryExec line, but when I clicked > on the Desktop button, nothing happened (didnt launch paroli). > > I even restarted the phone hoping it will magically load. But it > loaded instead the > old paroli application! even when no .desktop file existed for it. > > So I suspect there are definietly some caching mechanism inside E, and this > is the reason why paroli failed to launch. > > Because when I changed every name in the .desktop file: > Name, GenericName, Comment > > The icon magically begun to work. But when I start the phone the *old* > paroli gets loaded. (I need to close it, and start the new one via the > desktop button) > > So my question are: > 1. Where are the autolaunching application defined (paroli starts > automagically) 2. How can I force E to reload the .desktop file and execute > it and not the old (cached) one. > 3. How can I make sure the E autolaunch the right application? > > Any idea, documentation, comments are appreciated! > > Im playing since hours with this problem. > > Best regards, > Laszlo > Have a look in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ as there maybe a start script for paroli in there (just a guess as i know thats where zhone starts from) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090506/6120233f/attachment.pgp From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Wed May 6 20:26:42 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:26:42 -0700 Subject: shr-testing pimlico window size and power shortcut In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: thanks Johny, do you know the brightness command as well? On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Johny Tenfinger wrote: > On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 17:33, jeremy jozwik wrote: >> question 2: >> for some reason or another i seem to be setting my power settings to >> different was quite often. and my impatience is starting to show. >> loading shr-settings then waiting to it to open, then loading the >> power module and waiting for it to open are getting to me. is there >> any way that i can make a desktop shortcut that only fires the power >> module? ive noticed that i can switch between "power" and "settings" >> with the task switcher which makes me think they are separate entities > > "shr-settings --help" will help you :) > > I think you are interested in that command: > shr-settings Power shr_pm.Pm shr_device_timeouts.Timeouts > > That's part from shr-settings code, which lists available modules and > defines default categories: > dirs = [ [_("Phone"),"icon_phone.png", > [ 'shr_gsm.Gsm', 'shr_call.Call', 'shr_sim.Sim' ] ], > [_("Profiles"),"icon_profiles.png", > [ 'shr_profile.Profile', 'shr_currentprofile.CurrentProfile' ] ], > [_("Connectivity"),"icon_connectivity.png", > [ 'shr_wifi.Wifi', 'shr_gprs.Gprs', 'shr_usb.Usb', 'shr_bt.Bt' ] > ], > [_("GPS"), "icon_gps.png", [ > 'shr_gps.Gps' ] ], > [_("Date/time"),"icon_datetime.png", > [ 'shr_clock.Clock' ] ], > [_("Power"),"icon_power.png", [ > 'shr_battery.Battery', 'shr_display.Display', 'shr_pm.Pm' , > 'shr_device_timeouts.Timeouts' ] ], > [_("Services"),"icon_services.png", > [ 'shr_services.Services' ] ], > [_("Others"), "icon_others.png", > [ 'shr_test.Test' ] ] > ] > > In command line you can use all of them and combine it to your own > group. For instance, i'm using that command when holding AUX button: > > shr-settings "AUX menu" shr_profile.Profile shr_display.Display shr_pm.Pm > > If you have more questions about shr-settings, feel free to ask me :) > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From hns at computer.org Wed May 6 21:11:16 2009 From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:11:16 +0200 Subject: Debuzzing In-Reply-To: <9D3A614A-30FF-4E57-BCD1-FAA7C4039B87@computer.org> References: <9D3A614A-30FF-4E57-BCD1-FAA7C4039B87@computer.org> Message-ID: <15EAA6A9-58E3-4F27-B4F7-1CED37C7B4B6@computer.org> Am 30.04.2009 um 16:17 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: > > Am 28.04.2009 um 22:30 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: > >> Dear community, >> >> it is the philisophy of Golden Delicious Computers to find >> solutions for important topics that the community has and can't >> solve alone. Therefore, we (Golden Delicious Computers and TRIsoft) >> have worked behind the scenes and are close to offer a Buzz rework >> solution that can in principle serve all Freerunner Owners in the >> EU harmonized market. >> >> 1) We have identified a very good professional SMD rework company >> in Munich, Germany who are capable and willing to do the rework at >> low cost and high quality, but only if we deliver batches of >> collected devices. Since we are experienced in collecting incoming >> and outgoing shipments, the combination is the solution. >> >> 2) Therefore we plan to offer this service to all Openmoko owners >> within the EU harmonized market / tax union (to avoid re-import/ >> export hassle). Please note that there will be a rework fee. The >> final price is not yet clear (expected to be less than 30 EUR incl. >> shipment) because we are in intensive discussions with Openmoko how >> they can help to reduce this fee for you. > > Openmoko has given us now full support and therefore, we can reduce > the fee dramatically. A bad news is that you have to cover 2 way > shipment. But another good news is that Openmoko provides a free > battery as a gift for each shipment. > >> 3) Rework will take approx. 1 week and could start immediately, >> provided we get the promised replacement components in time. > > That well need some days so I expect that we can start rework in the > second week of May. Parts are now on air freight and will arrive in Munich within the next days. So it looks as if we can start next week. >> 4) If you are interested, please register yourself and your device >> at the following link. We will then follow up with details about >> handling, address to send to, time schedule, final pricing etc. >> >> http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Buzz-Rework > > This page has now become an order page. Please "purchase" the service. > >> >> >> So stay tuned, >> Nikolaus >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Mobile Office Solutions >> by Golden Delicious Computers GmbH&Co. KG >> Buchenstr. 3 >> D-82041 Oberhaching >> +49-89-54290367 >> http://www.handheld-linux.com >> >> AG M?nchen, HRA 89571 >> VAT DE253626266 >> Komplement?r: >> Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH >> Oberhaching, AG M?nchen, HRB 16602 >> Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller >> >> Digital Tools for Independent People >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> > From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Wed May 6 21:50:36 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:50:36 +0200 Subject: shr-testing pimlico window size and power shortcut In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 20:26, jeremy jozwik wrote: > thanks Johny, do you know the brightness command as well? shr_display.Display From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Wed May 6 22:12:05 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 13:12:05 -0700 Subject: shr-testing pimlico window size and power shortcut In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: awesome. ill have to play with the rest later, nano is word-wrapping and screwing up the .desktop format but so far i have an icon launcher that brings up the power settings module. thanks for your help again On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Johny Tenfinger wrote: > On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 20:26, jeremy jozwik wrote: >> thanks Johny, do you know the brightness command as well? > > shr_display.Display > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From kroseneg at schmidham.net Wed May 6 22:23:23 2009 From: kroseneg at schmidham.net (Korbinian Rosenegger) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:23:23 +0200 Subject: Debuzzing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1241641403.21665.30.camel@athlon> Hi Is it possible to bring the devices to you in person? This could save shipping costs for all of us who can use the S-Bahn without additional costs or pass the A995 regularly since it's about 1 km from the next S-Bahn station (Deisenhofen) or less than 4 km from the A995 to your address in Oberhaching (distances measured in Google Maps). cu Korbi On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 22:30 +0200, Dr.H.NikolausS wrote: > Dear community, > > it is the philisophy of Golden Delicious Computers to find solutions > for important topics that the community has and can't solve alone. > Therefore, we (Golden Delicious Computers and TRIsoft) have worked > behind the scenes and are close to offer a Buzz rework solution that > can in principle serve all Freerunner Owners in the EU harmonized > market. > > 1) We have identified a very good professional SMD rework company in > Munich, Germany who are capable and willing to do the rework at low > cost and high quality, but only if we deliver batches of collected > devices. Since we are experienced in collecting incoming and outgoing > shipments, the combination is the solution. > > 2) Therefore we plan to offer this service to all Openmoko owners > within the EU harmonized market / tax union (to avoid re-import/export > hassle). Please note that there will be a rework fee. The final price > is not yet clear (expected to be less than 30 EUR incl. shipment) > because we are in intensive discussions with Openmoko how they can > help to reduce this fee for you. > > 3) Rework will take approx. 1 week and could start immediately, > provided we get the promised replacement components in time. > > 4) If you are interested, please register yourself and your device at > the following link. We will then follow up with details about > handling, address to send to, time schedule, final pricing etc. > > http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Buzz-Rework > > So stay tuned, > Nikolaus > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mobile Office Solutions > by Golden Delicious Computers GmbH&Co. KG > Buchenstr. 3 > D-82041 Oberhaching > +49-89-54290367 > http://www.handheld-linux.com > > AG M?nchen, HRA 89571 > VAT DE253626266 > Komplement?r: > Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH > Oberhaching, AG M?nchen, HRB 16602 > Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller > > Digital Tools for Independent People > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090506/919e24e0/attachment.pgp From antisol at internode.on.net Wed May 6 22:27:38 2009 From: antisol at internode.on.net (Dale Maggee) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 06:27:38 +1000 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <20090506132225.04d26093@blunt.home> References: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> <20090506132225.04d26093@blunt.home> Message-ID: <4A01F2BA.7070108@internode.on.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hehe, what gave you that idea? ;) Yogiz wrote: > Bitter much? : ) > > On Wed, 06 May 2009 18:09:35 +1000 > Dale Maggee wrote: > > Risto H. Kurppa wrote: >>>> The community work seems to be slowing down now (because of the >>>> summer?) > My guess would be that a whole lot of people have realised that their > $400 Neo is better used as a boat anchor, and put them on ebay. or in > the microwave. > >>>> OM2009 testing 2 was released some days ago. So far ~3 e-mails on >>>> the list about it. >>>> New version of Mokomaze was released some days ago, too. Around 50 >>>> mails. To me this tells that people are more interested in Mokomaze >>>> than OM2009. > Agreed - more people are interested in mokomaze, because they know > what kind of godawful crap to expect from OM and are avoiding it like > swine flu... which is strangely poetic IMHO (the metaphor of "Neo as > Swine Flu", that is). > > I'm starting to think that OM's real goal has always been to *not* > produce a working distro, in the hopes that some genius would come > along and do it for them. At which point they could say "we don't > need to make it work, Guy X has given us the excellent Distro Y"... > > I mean, look at it from the company's perspective: They already have > your money, and they know that they're totally mismanaged and will die > out before producing another device. Also they're a dodgy Taiwanese > company which makes them very difficult to prosecute under the > consumer protection laws of less dodgy countries (even though they are > technically legally bound by those laws), so what's in it for them to > produce working software? > > >> _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKAfK5FbVnQRV3OEYRAjygAJ0UDxAbT6Z3s/szm7mUPVBbVLIFWgCcDk0c 4MNuXjjU5vX0HgUT4+1hD5M= =z4n9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tanuva at googlemail.com Wed May 6 23:07:04 2009 From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 23:07:04 +0200 Subject: Compatibility between deb and opkg (Was: Ain't it funny..) In-Reply-To: <20090505223311.GB27350@sygehus.dk> References: <4A0023A3.9010800@users.sourceforge.net> <20090505223311.GB27350@sygehus.dk> Message-ID: <200905062307.04252.tanuva@gmail.com> Am Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2009 00:33:12 schrieb Rask Ingemann Lambertsen: > On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 01:31:47PM +0200, Pander wrote: > > For better compatability between deb and opkg, I am still in favour > > of using the debian/ubuntu categories in opkg. See this thread from > > December: > > http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/038472.ht > >ml and > > http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/038546.ht > >ml > > A significant incompatibility is that deb uses architectures 'armel' > and 'any' while opkg uses 'armv4t' and 'all'. AFAIK there is no way of > specifying to dpkg/apt that they are equivalent. Provided my assumption that debian has _way_ more packages then angstrom/$opkg-based, one could change the default arch of opkg packages. But this would need support from all parties, not just us. The technical part could be reduced to: - extract package - do some sed-magic to replace armv4t/all by armel/any - compress package again Am I missing something significant? :D Of course reality isn't as simple as that, but it sounds so comfortable... -- Marcel From matthiasfelsche at web.de Wed May 6 23:21:42 2009 From: matthiasfelsche at web.de (matthias) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 23:21:42 +0200 Subject: [All] Dictator 0.2 In-Reply-To: <49F582B4.9090206@web.de> References: <679060109@web.de> <49F1BDD7.4000303@hist.no> <49F1C1B8.8060109@gmx.com> <49F57AEE.5010203@hist.no> <49F582B4.9090206@web.de> Message-ID: <4A01FF66.9080604@web.de> Version 0.2 has been released with some improvements. see: http://www.opkg.org/package_207.html or http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dictator I've only tested it with shr-testing from april 16. can anyone please provide the output of `opkg list` from a fresh om2008.12 or om2008.9? For I am somehow not able to get an image of these distributions running here. then i could change the dependencies, so that installing will be easy. Is there anyone who is able to package this as a deb for debian, fyp or hackable:1? Would be fine! cheers Matthias matthias schrieb: > Recording GSM and Mic in different channels will be implemented in the > next version. :) > Thanks for your feedback! It was just a state-file-issue. > > Matthias > > > Helge Hafting schrieb: > >> Thomas Franck wrote: >> >> >>> Hi.. >>> >>> Helge Hafting wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Also, dictator seems to record in stereo, while these sources are mono. >>>> One channel is silent. Avoiding unnecessary stereo gives the cpu less >>>> work, which is important with this weak cpu. >>>> >>>> >>> I haven't tested Dictator yet.. but I really liked the way the other >>> recording software[1] did it.. with incoming/outgoing sound separated on >>> different channel that.. >>> >>> >>> >> Such use of stereo is nice, of course. What I objected to was the >> recording of all sound in one channel, and then adding a silent channel >> as well. There is no need for that. >> >> Helge Hafting >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > From openmoko-community at meurisse.org Wed May 6 23:21:52 2009 From: openmoko-community at meurisse.org (Vincent MEURISSE) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 23:21:52 +0200 Subject: Debuzzing In-Reply-To: <1241641403.21665.30.camel@athlon> References: <1241641403.21665.30.camel@athlon> Message-ID: <200905062321.53311.openmoko-community@meurisse.org> On Wednesday 06 May 2009 22:23:23 Korbinian Rosenegger wrote: > Is it possible to bring the devices to you in person? I'm interested too as I don't live too far. Moreover the packing for delivery in person is far easier to do than the post one :) -- Vincent MEURISSE From roguemoko at roguewrt.org Wed May 6 23:24:29 2009 From: roguemoko at roguewrt.org (roguemoko at roguewrt.org) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 07:24:29 +1000 Subject: PS3 Linux [was - Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV] In-Reply-To: <26fea52c0905060139j1ff85a48tfe14e8ce070b0824@mail.gmail.com> References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450905050957l53674cb4ra19983aed397984d@mail.gmail.com> <200905051808.40154.vendion@charter.net> <200905052334.53180.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <4A00F0CB.9040106@roguewrt.org> <4A010765.7020404@roguewrt.org> <4A0119CB.9090800@roguewrt.org> <26fea52c0905060139j1ff85a48tfe14e8ce070b0824@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A02000D.7070709@roguewrt.org> On 6/05/2009 6:39 PM, Yorick Moko wrote: > have you tried pairing yourn FR to the ps3 > to use it as a controller/keyboard/music(or picture)streamer/whatever ? Since I left my FR out in the rain, I haven't done much with it. Surprisingly, it still works ... but the touch area of the shelf doesn't function. So I can boot, take a call but as soon as I load an app I can't go back etc. I've been meaning to throw the debian sd card back in but haven't had the motivation, although debian may allow me to get around, it's not like it's going to fix the problem with that region of the touchscreen. There's also some wierd, faint, background effects going on. They have that wierd mirror/3d effect happening :) Have to admit I'm rather impressed it even still works at all. Unfortunately I've had to move on, at least until I can figure out another use for it, other than a phone. Not that I can't think of anything but my life is pretty device saturated at the moment and the touchscreen issue limits it's use. Sarton From joerg at openmoko.org Wed May 6 23:29:53 2009 From: joerg at openmoko.org (Joerg Reisenweber) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 23:29:53 +0200 Subject: ERRATUM :-( [was: Re: The real gsmhandset.state ] In-Reply-To: <200904281613.23480.joerg@openmoko.org> References: <5c6ceea80904221536p34aab20fh702452c765a0174@mail.gmail.com> <200904281613.23480.joerg@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <200905062329.54036.joerg@openmoko.org> Am Di 28. April 2009 schrieb Joerg Reisenweber: > The one and only *real* gsmhandset.state (for all FR!): > http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state > > :-) > > > check control.63 and compare with your statefile! > see: > >http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Alsamixer_channel_controls Even I myself got fooled by this. The correct statefile is http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new of course. Please *do not* use the gsmhandset-a7.state, see http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2121#comment:3 Special sorry to lindi- /j -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090506/d9c78c66/attachment.pgp From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Wed May 6 23:32:11 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 14:32:11 -0700 Subject: [All] Dictator 0.2 In-Reply-To: <4A01FF66.9080604@web.de> References: <679060109@web.de> <49F1BDD7.4000303@hist.no> <49F1C1B8.8060109@gmx.com> <49F57AEE.5010203@hist.no> <49F582B4.9090206@web.de> <4A01FF66.9080604@web.de> Message-ID: nice. do you have a new screen shot of the interface? On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:21 PM, matthias wrote: > Version 0.2 has been released with some improvements. > see: > http://www.opkg.org/package_207.html > > or > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dictator > > I've only tested it with shr-testing from april 16. > can anyone please provide the output of `opkg list` from a fresh > om2008.12 or om2008.9? For I am somehow not able to get an image of > these distributions running here. then i could change the dependencies, > so that installing will be easy. > > Is there anyone who is able to package this as a deb for debian, fyp or > hackable:1? > Would be fine! > > cheers > Matthias > > matthias schrieb: >> Recording GSM and Mic in different channels will be implemented in the >> next version. :) >> Thanks for your feedback! It was just a state-file-issue. >> >> Matthias >> >> >> Helge Hafting schrieb: >> >>> Thomas Franck wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi.. >>>> >>>> Helge Hafting wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Also, dictator seems to record in stereo, while these sources are mono. >>>>> One channel is silent. Avoiding unnecessary stereo gives the cpu less >>>>> work, which is important with this weak cpu. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I haven't tested Dictator yet.. but I really liked the way the other >>>> recording software[1] did it.. with incoming/outgoing sound separated on >>>> different channel that.. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Such use of stereo is nice, of course. What I objected to was the >>> recording of all sound in one channel, and then adding a silent channel >>> as well. There is no need for that. >>> >>> Helge Hafting >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Openmoko community mailing list >>> community at lists.openmoko.org >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Thu May 7 00:07:22 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:07:22 -0500 Subject: ERRATUM :-( [was: Re: The real gsmhandset.state ] In-Reply-To: <200905062329.54036.joerg@openmoko.org> References: <5c6ceea80904221536p34aab20fh702452c765a0174@mail.gmail.com> <200904281613.23480.joerg@openmoko.org> <200905062329.54036.joerg@openmoko.org> Message-ID: What does A7 mean? 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But it > loaded instead the > old paroli application! even when no .desktop file existed for it. > > So I suspect there are definietly some caching mechanism inside E, and this > is the reason why paroli failed to launch. the only cache is a runtime cache in ram - none on disk. and restart of e (including its own restart) will completely rebuild it from disk. it does monitor files and on changes, reads them. there could be a race condition with a partially written file by the time e reads it. so chances are... your command is just wrong. if it can change the name - its loading all the fields, and then running them. e may have a different $PATH in its environment than your shell remember, so use full paths to be explicit. > Because when I changed every name in the .desktop file: > Name, GenericName, Comment > > The icon magically begun to work. But when I start the phone the *old* paroli > gets loaded. (I need to close it, and start the new one via the desktop > button) that'd be starting prolie via some other means - like startup scripts in /etc/X11/Xsession.d - dig around in /etc/X11 > So my question are: > 1. Where are the autolaunching application defined (paroli starts > automagically) > 2. How can I force E to reload the .desktop file and execute it and > not the old (cached) one. it should do it automatcally. an e restart will force everything to reload (killall -HUP enlightenment). > 3. How can I make sure the E autolaunch the right application? the launching you are seeeing is not from e but from oe's Xsession script setup - see above. > Any idea, documentation, comments are appreciated! > > Im playing since hours with this problem. > > Best regards, > Laszlo > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From joerg at openmoko.org Thu May 7 00:42:42 2009 From: joerg at openmoko.org (Joerg Reisenweber) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 00:42:42 +0200 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Forcing fast-charge In-Reply-To: <20090503211538.GZ27350@sygehus.dk> References: <1240063519.4045.2.camel@toaster-desktop> <200905020330.17602.joerg@openmoko.org> <20090503211538.GZ27350@sygehus.dk> Message-ID: <200905070042.43396.joerg@openmoko.org> Am So 3. Mai 2009 schrieb Rask Ingemann Lambertsen: > On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 03:30:10AM +0200, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > > Am Mi 29. April 2009 schrieb C?dric Berger: > > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 15:36, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > > > > > > > That's nonsense as there is no dumb charger out there not being capable of > > > > supplying 500mA. OTOH any management of maximum ingress current to USB by > > > > whatever means will inevitably fail when unplugging the charger device > > > > connected to FR during powerdown and replace it with a (nonexistent) > > > > weaker one. > > No. For better or for worse, the PCF50633 variant we use will power up > the Frerunner and thus run the boot loader when you swap chargers. If the > boot loader doesn't set the current limit correctly for the newly inserted > charger, then that's where the bug is. TODO: Check U-Boot and Qi. > > (Long term TODO: Instead of fixing each and every bug three times (kernel, > U-Boot and Qi), try to fit a bare-bones kernel and rootfs with boot menu > into the 512 kB we currently use for boot loader.) > > > > Or a solar panel ? > > How could setting BAT_CURLIM to USB_CURLIM help? > > Because USB_CURLIM is reset to 500 mA when the Freerunner is turned off, > while BAT_CURLIM remains at what it was last set to. So taking in account your comments above this means the problem case is "intentionally shutting down the device during charging from solarpanel". 1) I don't see why anybody should do this 2) this should be handled during shutdown, rather than all the time by syncing BAT_CURLIM with USB_CURLIM. Probably it would be wise to disable shutdown during charge all together. > > > Or you have 2 phone charging from the same usb port ? > > or I'm using the usb extension in my usb-coffemug-warmer? Or create a > > shortcircuit? It's not a valid usecase and I don't see how to accomplish > > that. > > Don't tell me you haven't seen one of those 4-port unpowered USB hubs > which can only supply 100 mA per port. In this case USB-enum shall negotiate correct USB_CURLIM as the host knows about the hub and the (standard btw) restrictions wrt current. Again powering down the device during charge isn't recommended as host might think the device is shutdown because it doesn't respond to USB data anymore. > > > Note than doing this (I used a little GUI with 1 set button for each value), > > > I must set usb current limit, then only I set charge current limit. And in > > > the meanwhile, since charge limit=usb limit=1A, it starts pulling about 1A > > > and I cannot avoid that. > > Sorry I don't understand this statement. > > The problem is when you use e.g. a 750 mAh Nokia battery and set > chg_curlim to 750 mA like you're supposed to. If you then plug in the > charger, usb_curlim will be set to 1000 mA and so will chg_curlim. > Automatically setting chg_curlim to 1000 mA is a bug since the user said max > 750 mA for the battery. The kernel needs to remember the user specified > chg_curlim. TODO: Kernel patch. ToDo: leave crg_curlim alone during normal operation and handle those silly cases of shutdown during charge correctly (e.g by simply disabling them (disallow shutdown), or - as I mentioned before - setting chg_curlim to 100mA unconditionally at shutdown time. Probably both) /j -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090507/c50946b4/attachment.pgp From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Thu May 7 01:02:22 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:02:22 -0700 Subject: openmoko neo shape In-Reply-To: <4A0140DD.50408@gmx.net> References: <4A0140DD.50408@gmx.net> Message-ID: i had a similar conversation at radio shack trying to get the headset to phono adapter. i had put the phone on the counter to test if the wire worked. radio shack employee 1: is that the new htc? me: nope radio shack employee 1: what is it me: its an openmoko. it runs linux radio shack employee 1: is that like windows mobile? me: not really radio shack employee 2: linux is open source radio shack employee 1 turns to go and do something else... On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 12:48 AM, DRSp. wrote: > There was a video showing Maddog Hall wearing one around his neck. > > Besides I found the design very stylish. > > The usual route of conversation goes like this: > > "whats this...?" > > me: openmoko > > "..." takes it "like iphone..." > > me: it's not an iphone... > > "touchscreen..." > > me: and it runs on linux > > "..?" and i got a square look. The point of interest is fading... > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From joerg at openmoko.org Thu May 7 01:03:22 2009 From: joerg at openmoko.org (Joerg Reisenweber) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 01:03:22 +0200 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Forcing fast-charge In-Reply-To: References: <1240063519.4045.2.camel@toaster-desktop> <200905020330.17602.joerg@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <200905070103.28944.joerg@openmoko.org> Am Mo 4. Mai 2009 schrieb C?dric Berger: > Sorry, my mail was not really clear. > > Rask already answered questions. > But just about usb_limit : > > 2009/5/2 Joerg Reisenweber > > > No you have to push USB_CURLIM to >500mA, if you want >500mA. > > > [... ] > > > > This way I have about 700-750mA pulled from my charger (though it can > > peak > > > to 1A as needed). > > What's the rationale behind that? > > If you set USB_CURLIM to 750mA you get exactly the same behaviour without > > the > > useless "when needed" part. > > > > > As far as I know, 750mA is not an option for usb_curlim. (only 100, 500 and > 1000 I think) > Anyway, bat_curlim allows more precise control. > Correct - usbdevstat allows 100mA, 500mA, 1A, and suspend (Tbl. 98, MBCC7), anyway... Setting chg_curlim won't help whatsoever, as you can set it only during device powered up and system running, and during this time the system consumption USB-to-SYS will add to the chg_curlim you set. So you exceed intended USB current by setting chg_curlim to the value you intend for USB current, just to shutdown device after that and hope to reach 'correct' USB current then eventually - that's silly. /j -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090507/2d077aa9/attachment.pgp From robin.paulson at gmail.com Thu May 7 02:12:58 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 00:12:58 +0000 Subject: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <1241614199610-2814123.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <1240534653630-2689065.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905010431wb3d19d6qe950591c165e2b3e@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905010437v6742ae19u165c6e905b0ad132@mail.gmail.com> <1241188660584-2753590.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905011922t67b076bcx950083d5159fe2c8@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905020314h6191accav9ff37a968667b1ce@mail.gmail.com> <1241603736204-2810025.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905060443q4c493920sca7035c1aa44c254@mail.gmail.com> <1241614199610-2814123.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770905061712l69829eb9ve6abe6980b3f4d35@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/6 c_c : > ?If I understand you correctly, you're looking at adding a folder and > letting > intone play it. > ?As of now, if you add the root folder of your music to intone, you'll > get all your folders added as albums and playlists automatically. Then - you > just use the playlist you want (which is the same as selecting that folder). > ?Or am I missing something you want? sorry, that was badly explained - i was saying it's great as is. no need to change anything (imo)! >>>> ?Do you want id3 tags in the list too? >>>yes, that'd be great. so long as it doesn't slow things down too much >> > ?It *will* slow down the initial scan at the very least. And increase > dependency on another set of libraries. Let me think over this. > oh, in that case, i'm not that keen on adding it. i like how it's nice and responsive at the moment, even on slow hardware > > Robin Paulson wrote: >> >>>> ?The new version will also have sliders for bass and treble. >>>i'd say: keep it simple and leave the sliders out >> > ?I was looking at controlling the bass and treble levels in the WM8753 tone > control. Not software based. oh, i see. got you. is there a global mixer for doing this? might be a better way, rather than re-creating what's already there >> oh, one other thing - can you make the play button change to a pause >> symbol when it's playing? >> > :-) That's been one thing I've always managed to miss in every release. Will > do that this time. cool. not a biggie looking forward to the new release From joerg at openmoko.org Thu May 7 02:41:46 2009 From: joerg at openmoko.org (Joerg Reisenweber) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 02:41:46 +0200 Subject: The real gsmhandset.state [was: Re: Buzz fix difficulty [was Re: US Buzz/GPS Fix]] In-Reply-To: <20090502045414.GA2871@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <5c6ceea80904221536p34aab20fh702452c765a0174@mail.gmail.com> <200905020354.56440.joerg@openmoko.org> <20090502045414.GA2871@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <200905070241.46464.joerg@openmoko.org> Am Sa 2. Mai 2009 schrieb Matthias Apitz: > El d?a Saturday, May 02, 2009 a las 03:54:55AM +0200, Joerg Reisenweber escribi?: > > > > > The one and only *real* gsmhandset.state (for all FR!): > > > > http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > I've tried this yesterday and for me it gives a strong, no tolerable, > > > local echo, even acoustic feedback between micro y speaker; > > > > > > sorry for not giving positiv feedback :-( > > > > Echo can't be controlled by adjusting mixer settings. It needs AT%Nxxxx > > correct modem init. > > How can I do that in Om2008.9? Thx Maybe backport the changes that were introduced to OM2008.12 wrt AT%Nxxxx? AFAIK there's no working support for this in OM2008.9. I suggest you use a more recent distro, preferably one based on FSO. /j -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090507/c1a4a549/attachment.pgp From cchandel at yahoo.com Thu May 7 03:03:09 2009 From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 18:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770905061712l69829eb9ve6abe6980b3f4d35@mail.gmail.com> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <1239071533739-2596701.post@n2.nabble.com> <1240365483670-2673672.post@n2.nabble.com> <26fea52c0904221251ka285390xf0564b023c974c38@mail.gmail.com> <1240534653630-2689065.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905010431wb3d19d6qe950591c165e2b3e@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905010437v6742ae19u165c6e905b0ad132@mail.gmail.com> <1241188660584-2753590.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905011922t67b076bcx950083d5159fe2c8@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905020314h6191accav9ff37a968667b1ce@mail.gmail.com> <1241603736204-2810025.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905060443q4c493920sca7035c1aa44c254@mail.gmail.com> <1241614199610-2814123.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905061712l69829eb9ve6abe6980b3f4d35@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241658189712-2825510.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Robin Paulson wrote: > >>> ?Do you want id3 tags in the list too? >>oh, in that case, i'm not that keen on adding it. i like how it's nice >>and responsive at the moment, even on slow hardware > I'm still considering this. Will investigate the actual performance hit after this weekend's release. If it is acceptable at the time of the initial scan, I'll include this in a later release. Robin Paulson wrote: > >>oh, i see. got you. is there a global mixer for doing this? > Yup, I'll just use amixer to set the values. Robin Paulson wrote: > >> can you make the play button change to a pause symbol when it's playing? > Already Done. Ok. So here's what's done. * Bass and treble sliders * better sizes (imo) * dbus integration - prevent suspens and pause on incoming call * alternate ciew with id3 and album art * default icon if no album art exists * some clean ups * icon change of play button to pause when playing In process * saving and restoring system volume, bass and treble settings for exit and pause * album art icon sizing * getting song info for the alternate view when not playing * scanning files without extension crash Should be done by the weekend. One more thing, since now SHR, OM 2009 (unstable) and FSO all use the newer e libraries, I'm thinking of moving over to them. Just wanted to know if there are people still using older distributions - in which case I'll have to release 2 diff packages. For those on the newer libraries - a pre-release version is attached below. Just wanted to get some early feedback on the dbus stuff mainly - as also any other relevant points. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-%280.30---beta-release%29-Elementary-based-mplayer-frontend-tp2587826p2825510.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From joerg at openmoko.org Thu May 7 03:06:19 2009 From: joerg at openmoko.org (Joerg Reisenweber) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 03:06:19 +0200 Subject: [all] Car charger In-Reply-To: <200904262005.21552.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> References: <30e395780904261140k36165b67l2d0bf64c6859f47b@mail.gmail.com> <200904262005.21552.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <200905070306.25019.joerg@openmoko.org> Am So 26. April 2009 schrieb Al Johnson: > On the DIY front mini-b plugs with all pins available are hard to find in > small quantities, in the UK at least. Has anyone found a source? See http://www.partsdata.de/USB_Mini-B-Verlaengerung_Kabel_1m_CU-XB05-10.html /j -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090507/3808127f/attachment.pgp From mail at 3v1n0.net Thu May 7 03:33:28 2009 From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 03:33:28 +0200 Subject: Debuzzing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > 2) Therefore we plan to offer this service to all Openmoko owners > within the EU harmonized market / tax union (to avoid re-import/export > hassle). Please note that there will be a rework fee. The final price > is not yet clear (expected to be less than 30 EUR incl. shipment) > because we are in intensive discussions with Openmoko how they can > help to reduce this fee for you. Is this rework fee valid also for your customers? Don't you offer a kind of warranty? If not, can I fix my freerunner in another SMD rework company without voiding my warranty? -- Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ From joerg at openmoko.org Thu May 7 03:23:38 2009 From: joerg at openmoko.org (Joerg Reisenweber) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 03:23:38 +0200 Subject: [New Mokomaze] Coming soon In-Reply-To: References: <1240817860516-2722681.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <200905070323.38868.joerg@openmoko.org> Am Mi 29. April 2009 schrieb arne anka: > > I don't think it's wise to use the accelerometers as a way to tell > > whether the phone is used or not. > > to repeat it again: we are talking about people playing a game or whatever > with the only activity being moving the device -- > _NO_TOUCH_OR_BUTTON_OR_WHATEVER_. > now, how is the frameworkd (or what might be used instead) supposed to > know, that the device should _NOT_ blank nor suspend? Using gmeter for resetting suspend-timer is useless here as I may hold the game steady and still don't want the screen to blank. The only correct way to handle this is to stop screenblanking as long as mokomaze is running. I suggest using fsoraw for this purpose (it's been intended to handle exactly these issues), or patch mokomaze to allocate the correct resource by itself, though that would somewhat restrict portability of the app to non-fso based systems. cheers jOERG -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090507/7a7e6b20/attachment.pgp From joerg at openmoko.org Thu May 7 04:09:49 2009 From: joerg at openmoko.org (Joerg Reisenweber) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 04:09:49 +0200 Subject: Detecting headset button press In-Reply-To: <200905011436.59074.mickey@vanille-media.de> References: <33854.10.224.0.6.1240955482.squirrel@ssl.netureza.com> <200905011436.59074.mickey@vanille-media.de> Message-ID: <200905070409.49987.joerg@openmoko.org> Am Fr 1. Mai 2009 schrieb Michael 'Mickey' Lauer: > The headset button only gets sent when a certain alsa control is on, Werner > can fill you up on the details. After that, it should be possible to do a > simple fso rule for it. please see http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2209#comment:8 /j -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090507/eb1a35eb/attachment.pgp From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Thu May 7 04:11:14 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:11:14 -0500 Subject: ERRATUM :-( [was: Re: The real gsmhandset.state ] In-Reply-To: <200905070243.22833.joerg@openmoko.org> References: <5c6ceea80904221536p34aab20fh702452c765a0174@mail.gmail.com> <200905062329.54036.joerg@openmoko.org> <200905070243.22833.joerg@openmoko.org> Message-ID: OK, cool, so I should download that and replace my old one with it? That will get me better volume, which I would appreciate immensely? Also, the speakerphone state doesn't work at all. When I use it, the thing just goes dead -- no sound or mic, as far as I can tell. This assumes that the speaker button in SHR's caller app works, I haven't loaded it from CLI during a call. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just wanted to know if there are people > still using older > distributions - in which case I'll have to release 2 diff packages. > > For those on the newer libraries - a pre-release version is attached > below. Just wanted to > get some early feedback on the dbus stuff mainly - as also any other > relevant points. I've just tried it again in my Om2008 with fresh svn e/elementary (just recompiled), but I still get the "black" page bug. This is quite strange since I only get this behavior with this elementary application... Who knows why... :/ -- Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ From monnier at iro.umontreal.ca Thu May 7 05:38:04 2009 From: monnier at iro.umontreal.ca (Stefan Monnier) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 23:38:04 -0400 Subject: [SHR] emacs package References: <4A01BF84.8040003@yahoo.it> Message-ID: >>> It's been asked before but I can't find any references to a package >>> for Emacs. Does such exist? If not, how can I get Emacs running - > Use vim in stead! It's been a long time since I last looked at it, but AFAIK Vim's emulation of Emacs is at best very poor. Stefan From monnier at iro.umontreal.ca Thu May 7 05:42:03 2009 From: monnier at iro.umontreal.ca (Stefan Monnier) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 23:42:03 -0400 Subject: Mokomaze as non-root Message-ID: What are we supposed to do to get Mokomaze to run as a non-root user? Stefan From digitalpioneer at gmail.com Thu May 7 05:59:20 2009 From: digitalpioneer at gmail.com (The Digital Pioneer) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:59:20 -0500 Subject: Mokomaze as non-root In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not sure what all issues you're experiencing, but the accelerometers are probably root:root access only (they are on mine, SHR-unstable), if that's your problem. You can probably chmod them manually, but I'm sure you can mod some conf somewhere to change it. Not sure what... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This is quite strange > since I only get this behavior with this elementary application > I cant seem to replicate this. Of course, in all probability, it must be something I'm doing wrong :-). Can you - if you have the time - go through the init code and see what could be off? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-%280.40---beta-pre-release%29-Elementary-based-mplayer-frontend-tp2587826p2826039.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From hns at computer.org Thu May 7 06:49:06 2009 From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 06:49:06 +0200 Subject: Debuzzing In-Reply-To: <1241641403.21665.30.camel@athlon> References: <1241641403.21665.30.camel@athlon> Message-ID: Am 06.05.2009 um 22:23 schrieb Korbinian Rosenegger: > Hi > > Is it possible to bring the devices to you in person? This could save > shipping costs for all of us who can use the S-Bahn without additional > costs or pass the A995 regularly since it's about 1 km from the next > S-Bahn station (Deisenhofen) or less than 4 km from the A995 to your > address in Oberhaching (distances measured in Google Maps). I understand your idea, but we can't manage it that way for several reasons, I can't discuss here in detail. One is that we are not doing the rework ourselves but by a company in Munich. So there is no chance for you to wait for the rework. Then, we think by using "Hermes Versand", your cost for shipping in is just 4 EUR. So we are not farther away than your next Hermes office (see http://www.hermespaketshop.de/ and teh Paketshop Locator). Finally, the free battery given by Openmoko is thought as compensation for the shipping cost. Best regards, Nikolaus > cu Korbi > > > > On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 22:30 +0200, Dr.H.NikolausS wrote: >> Dear community, >> >> it is the philisophy of Golden Delicious Computers to find solutions >> for important topics that the community has and can't solve alone. >> Therefore, we (Golden Delicious Computers and TRIsoft) have worked >> behind the scenes and are close to offer a Buzz rework solution that >> can in principle serve all Freerunner Owners in the EU harmonized >> market. >> >> 1) We have identified a very good professional SMD rework company in >> Munich, Germany who are capable and willing to do the rework at low >> cost and high quality, but only if we deliver batches of collected >> devices. Since we are experienced in collecting incoming and outgoing >> shipments, the combination is the solution. >> >> 2) Therefore we plan to offer this service to all Openmoko owners >> within the EU harmonized market / tax union (to avoid re-import/ >> export >> hassle). Please note that there will be a rework fee. The final price >> is not yet clear (expected to be less than 30 EUR incl. shipment) >> because we are in intensive discussions with Openmoko how they can >> help to reduce this fee for you. >> >> 3) Rework will take approx. 1 week and could start immediately, >> provided we get the promised replacement components in time. >> >> 4) If you are interested, please register yourself and your device at >> the following link. We will then follow up with details about >> handling, address to send to, time schedule, final pricing etc. >> >> http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Buzz-Rework >> >> So stay tuned, >> Nikolaus >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Mobile Office Solutions >> by Golden Delicious Computers GmbH&Co. KG >> Buchenstr. 3 >> D-82041 Oberhaching >> +49-89-54290367 >> http://www.handheld-linux.com >> >> AG M?nchen, HRA 89571 >> VAT DE253626266 >> Komplement?r: >> Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH >> Oberhaching, AG M?nchen, HRB 16602 >> Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller >> >> Digital Tools for Independent People >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From mok at mnet-online.de Thu May 7 07:43:35 2009 From: mok at mnet-online.de (Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 07:43:35 +0200 Subject: ERRATUM :-( [was: Re: The real gsmhandset.state ] In-Reply-To: References: <5c6ceea80904221536p34aab20fh702452c765a0174@mail.gmail.com> <200905070243.22833.joerg@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <200905070743.35781.mok@mnet-online.de> Am Donnerstag 07 Mai 2009 04:11:14 schrieb The Digital Pioneer: > OK, cool, so I should download that and replace my old one with it? That > will get me better volume, which I would appreciate immensely? Also, the > speakerphone state doesn't work at all. When I use it, the thing just goes > dead -- no sound or mic, as far as I can tell. This assumes that the > speaker button in SHR's caller app works, I haven't loaded it from CLI > during a call. speaker button in SHR works... at least it changes something :-) Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com Thu May 7 08:01:10 2009 From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:01:10 +0200 Subject: Enlightenment and .desktop file (with autostarting) In-Reply-To: <20090507081235.367918fe.raster@rasterman.com> References: <20090507081235.367918fe.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: Thanks for you reply! On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > the only cache is a runtime cache in ram - none on disk. and restart of e > (including its own restart) will completely rebuild it from disk. it does > monitor files and on changes, reads them. there could be a race condition with > a partially written file by the time e reads it. so chances are... your command > is just wrong. if it can change the name - its loading all the fields, and then > running them. e may have a different $PATH in its environment than your shell > remember, so use full paths to be explicit. > I specified the full path. I will post the .desktop file later today. If I quit from paroli (using the illume bar), I cant relaunch it anymore. Just if I kill -HUP enlightenment. After that will start paroli. (I get a loading screen). So I need to kill enlightenment each time I quit paroli. Rather strange. Best regards, Laszlo From kimaidou at gmail.com Thu May 7 09:14:12 2009 From: kimaidou at gmail.com (kimaidou) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:14:12 +0200 Subject: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <1241669145752-2826039.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905011922t67b076bcx950083d5159fe2c8@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905020314h6191accav9ff37a968667b1ce@mail.gmail.com> <1241603736204-2810025.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905060443q4c493920sca7035c1aa44c254@mail.gmail.com> <1241614199610-2814123.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905061712l69829eb9ve6abe6980b3f4d35@mail.gmail.com> <1241658189712-2825510.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241669145752-2826039.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <40cd9ce40905070014p46a2769bhe5ebb3b74799824b@mail.gmail.com> Hi c_c Sorry if I already asked the question : would it be possible to release a debian deb package for intone ? I know there are other possibilities, but your soft is very handy... Thanks in advance Kimaidou 2009/5/7 c_c > > Hi, > > Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote: > > > > but I still get the "black" page bug. This is quite strange > > since I only get this behavior with this elementary application > > > I cant seem to replicate this. Of course, in all probability, it > must be something I'm doing wrong :-). Can you - if you have > the time - go through the init code and see what could be off? > > -- > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-%280.40---beta-pre-release%29-Elementary-based-mplayer-frontend-tp2587826p2826039.html > Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Mile On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Al Johnson wrote: > On Tuesday 05 May 2009, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > > On Tue, 5 May 2009 22:44:49 +0200 > > > > Mile Davidovic wrote: > > > Hello > > > > > > My understanding is next: > > > - qt extended have support for CSD but quite rudimentary (these words > > > are from qt extended documentation) > > > - sample qt application works fine with CSD but only first time (they > > > have problem with releasing resources) > > > > > > In general, OpenMoko is capable of working with CSD but my > > > understanding is that CSD (at least on Qt) is not preferable working > > > scenario. > > > > > > Regards > > > Mile > > > > Hi Mile, > > > > I'm sorry, but I'm not really familiar with CSD calls, could you > > ellaborate? > > Circuit Switched Data, the original GSM data mode where the phone acts as a > slow (9600) conventional modem. Later HSCSD increased the speed a bit by > channel bonding. My k700i will let you select between analogue and ISDN > modem > behaviour, handy when calling an ISDN line as it doesn't need all the time > consuming analogue negotiation when it connects. > > In theory it should be really simple to use; just configure ppp as if you > were > connecting to a serial modem. gsm0710muxd or equivalent may complicate this > slightly, but I wouldn't expect it to be any worse than the current use of > ppp > for GPRS. That said, I haven't tried it. > > While GPRS is faster CSD has other advantages which may be critical in some > cases. You can call into it, which may not be possible with GPRS as it is > often hidden behind NAT. CDS also has lower, predictable latency whch made > it > the transport of choice for a GSM cryptophone. > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090507/cd2a4673/attachment.htm From cchandel at yahoo.com Thu May 7 09:22:59 2009 From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 00:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <40cd9ce40905070014p46a2769bhe5ebb3b74799824b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <1239071533739-2596701.post@n2.nabble.com> <1240365483670-2673672.post@n2.nabble.com> <26fea52c0904221251ka285390xf0564b023c974c38@mail.gmail.com> <1240534653630-2689065.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905010431wb3d19d6qe950591c165e2b3e@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905010437v6742ae19u165c6e905b0ad132@mail.gmail.com> <1241188660584-2753590.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905011922t67b076bcx950083d5159fe2c8@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905020314h6191accav9ff37a968667b1ce@mail.gmail.com> <1241603736204-2810025.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905060443q4c493920sca7035c1aa44c254@mail.gmail.com> <1241614199610-2814123.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905061712l69829eb9ve6abe6980b3f4d35@mail.gmail.com> <1241658189712-2825510.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241669145752-2826039.post@n2.nabble.com> <40cd9ce40905070014p46a2769bhe5ebb3b74799824b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241680979805-2826536.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, kimaidou wrote: > > would it be possible to release a debian deb package for intone ? > Yup. Debian package too coming this time :-) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-%280.40---beta-pre-release%29-Elementary-based-mplayer-frontend-tp2587826p2826536.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From david.moko.comunity at gmail.com Thu May 7 09:24:33 2009 From: david.moko.comunity at gmail.com (Mile Davidovic) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:24:33 +0200 Subject: Data call (aka CSD) with QtExtended In-Reply-To: <20090505225241.03413fc7@telenet.be> References: <276368070903200400g1da6ae4dob731d3e151630a29@mail.gmail.com> <49C6827A.2060709@kapitein.org> <49C94393.4010800@kapitein.org> <276368070903260338q3fcbad28u72aef0e902f599bf@mail.gmail.com> <1238065013.17409.20.camel@localhost> <276368070903262311h20e282b9o354562e41070721d@mail.gmail.com> <1238142563.5087.3.camel@lp-00079.dt01.tno.nl> <276368070903270400x3a3a0deal1c213e135dc95f67@mail.gmail.com> <9f2f0e730905051344h37f0db63xf31b2aa65eff654c@mail.gmail.com> <20090505225241.03413fc7@telenet.be> Message-ID: <9f2f0e730905070024k7898c2f7g98cebc2e591b4898@mail.gmail.com> Hello I will try to help as much as possible and if ever I produce stable and bulletproof SW for CSD on QtExtended I will share my work. Regards Mile On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > On Tue, 5 May 2009 22:44:49 +0200 > Mile Davidovic wrote: > > > Hello > > > > My understanding is next: > > - qt extended have support for CSD but quite rudimentary (these words > > are from qt extended documentation) > > - sample qt application works fine with CSD but only first time (they > > have problem with releasing resources) > > > > In general, OpenMoko is capable of working with CSD but my > > understanding is that CSD (at least on Qt) is not preferable working > > scenario. > > > > Regards > > Mile > > > > Hi Mile, > > I'm sorry, but I'm not really familiar with CSD calls, could you > ellaborate? > Also, it seems you've done some research in this. Care to join the > development of QtEi for this part? > > Franky > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090507/180c72ce/attachment.htm From helge.hafting at hist.no Thu May 7 09:59:13 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 09:59:13 +0200 Subject: OpenMoko and LCD TV In-Reply-To: References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450905050957l53674cb4ra19983aed397984d@mail.gmail.com> <200905051808.40154.vendion@charter.net> <200905052334.53180.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A0294D1.7040907@hist.no> roby wrote: > sorry for continuing the ot, but.. i always dreamt of a tv adblocker, > anybody know of some project in this direction? The easy way is to get a harddisk recorder/receiver, capable of "pausing" tv. When your movie/show/sport event begins, just pause it. Then, wait about as long as a commercial breaks usually is, before resuming and watching the movie slightly timeshifted. When an ad comes, just fast-forward past it. :-) An additional advantage is that you can pause the tv anytime, if you get a phonecall for example. And of course, recording stuff to watch at a completely different time. Helge Hafting From helge.hafting at hist.no Thu May 7 10:09:16 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 10:09:16 +0200 Subject: PS3 Linux [was - Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV] In-Reply-To: <4A02000D.7070709@roguewrt.org> References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450905050957l53674cb4ra19983aed397984d@mail.gmail.com> <200905051808.40154.vendion@charter.net> <200905052334.53180.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <4A00F0CB.9040106@roguewrt.org> <4A010765.7020404@roguewrt.org> <4A0119CB.9090800@roguewrt.org> <26fea52c0905060139j1ff85a48tfe14e8ce070b0824@mail.gmail.com> <4A02000D.7070709@roguewrt.org> Message-ID: <4A02972C.6020409@hist.no> roguemoko at roguewrt.org wrote: > On 6/05/2009 6:39 PM, Yorick Moko wrote: >> have you tried pairing yourn FR to the ps3 >> to use it as a controller/keyboard/music(or picture)streamer/whatever ? > > Since I left my FR out in the rain, I haven't done much with it. > > Surprisingly, it still works ... but the touch area of the shelf doesn't > function. So I can boot, take a call but as soon as I load an app I > can't go back etc. I've been meaning to throw the debian sd card back in Just turn the display upside down using "xrandr", then the shelf is placed in a touch area that works. Or perhaps 90 degrees. Try it out with the terminal. If it works well, add the command to some startup script so it happens automatically. It is still fully useable if you connect a usb mouse (and enable the X cursor, which is easy.) But you probably don't want to use a phone with a mouse. :-) Also consider taking the display apart for cleaning. Water quickly cause corrotion wherever there is electricity. Might be worth a try taking the display off and cleaning with something like alcohol. Alcohol dissolves any water left over, it doesn't conduct electricity, and lefover alcohol evaporate quickly. If you get rid of any trapped water and corroded gunk, then the touchscreen might improve. There is the risk of breaking the thing further, but it seems sufficiently broken alredy. Helge Hafting From robin.paulson at gmail.com Thu May 7 10:18:27 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:18:27 +0000 Subject: PS3 Linux [was - Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV] In-Reply-To: <4A02972C.6020409@hist.no> References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> <4A00F0CB.9040106@roguewrt.org> <4A010765.7020404@roguewrt.org> <4A0119CB.9090800@roguewrt.org> <26fea52c0905060139j1ff85a48tfe14e8ce070b0824@mail.gmail.com> <4A02000D.7070709@roguewrt.org> <4A02972C.6020409@hist.no> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770905070118x7412103evb9b52dbbf511a2c9@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/7 Helge Hafting : > It is still fully useable if you connect a usb mouse (and enable > the X cursor, which is easy.) But you probably don't want to use a phone > with a mouse. :-) you could always add a trackpad, maybe on the back case? From cedric.berger74 at gmail.com Thu May 7 10:19:21 2009 From: cedric.berger74 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E9dric_Berger?=) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:19:21 +0200 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Forcing fast-charge In-Reply-To: <200905070103.28944.joerg@openmoko.org> References: <1240063519.4045.2.camel@toaster-desktop> <200905020330.17602.joerg@openmoko.org> <200905070103.28944.joerg@openmoko.org> Message-ID: 2009/5/7 Joerg Reisenweber > > Correct - usbdevstat allows 100mA, 500mA, 1A, and suspend (Tbl. 98, MBCC7), > anyway... > Setting chg_curlim won't help whatsoever, as you can set it only during > device > powered up and system running, and during this time the system consumption > USB-to-SYS will add to the chg_curlim you set. So you exceed intended USB > current by setting chg_curlim to the value you intend for USB current, just > to shutdown device after that and hope to reach 'correct' USB current then > eventually - that's silly. > > In my case I used setting chg_curlim also for when phone is on. Yes chg_curlim does not help to force usb real current to ie. 750m exactly. But ! This way I could have my phone use approx 750mA when on (by setting chg_curlim to 500mA). Of course it may sometimes consume up to 1A if needed (the peaks I was talking about...). But this is ok in my case for my weak dumb charger. What would not be ok is having chg_curlim not forced and phone pulling 1A for 30 minutes continuously while charging the battery faster than I need... (And usb_curlim to 500mA would on the other hand not charge quickly enough (about 300mA).) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090507/ee9a5771/attachment.htm From helge.hafting at hist.no Thu May 7 10:21:01 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 10:21:01 +0200 Subject: [shr-testing] kernel with working g_ether to Windoze connection? In-Reply-To: <20090506163842.139830w5nt0tfjsy@w0.mail.sapo.pt> References: <20090506152124.55736i7mc0th499g@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <20090506163842.139830w5nt0tfjsy@w0.mail.sapo.pt> Message-ID: <4A0299ED.9020303@hist.no> Vasco N?voa wrote: > I would, but I don't think my employer would agree. :) > I use nothing but FLOSS everywhere, except of course at work, where I > have to use the "official workstation software"... :P > And it is very handy to hack the latest tweaks on my neo while waiting > for a compilation to finish... ;) > Right now, the Neo is networkless with SHR-testing in a Windows environment: > - wifi is no good; > - bluetooth way too complicated; > - USB doesn't work; > - GPRS stalls and doesn't allow opkg update, so forget upgrade.... > > SO GIMME THE WORKIN KERNEL ALREADY!!! :D > > I just find it strange all this back and forth, one version it works, > the next it doesn't, then it works again, then not.... is that patch > so difficult to keep alive?? When you use testing/unstable, you are part of the development. You are using stuff that is *not* regression tested before releasing. The "stable" distribution will likely be better in this respect, but "stable "hasn't happened yet. You can at least get wifi back by using a 2.6.28 kernel (available as older kernel images). This apparently works well with the latest "testing", - if you also install the package with modules for that kernel. If you skip the modules, some other things (sound++) will fail. wifi will be back regardless. Also, USB networking works fine with the later kernels that break wifi, so any networking fix will need to be done on the windows machine. Linux (on the PC) also needed a change in the usb networking setup when the phone got a 2.6.29 kernel. So I expect that windows users need to do something too. This will likely not be reverted. As explained elswhere, the phone is now reporting the correct assigned MAC address for its usb network interface, it was wrong before. A networking setup that expects the old mac address will fail, so just change it! I guess other windows users can help you out with the details on how this is done? Helge Hafting From vanous at penguin.cz Thu May 7 10:27:03 2009 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:27:03 +0200 Subject: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <1239071533739-2596701.post@n2.nabble.com> <1240365483670-2673672.post@n2.nabble.com> <26fea52c0904221251ka285390xf0564b023c974c38@mail.gmail.com> <1240534653630-2689065.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905010431wb3d19d6qe950591c165e2b3e@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905010437v6742ae19u165c6e905b0ad132@mail.gmail.com> <1241188660584-2753590.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905011922t67b076bcx950083d5159fe2c8@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905020314h6191accav9ff37a968667b1ce@mail.gmail.com> <1241603736204-2810025.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905060443q4c493920sca7035c1aa44c254@mail.gmail.com> <1241614199610-2814123.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905061712l69829eb9ve6abe6980b3f4d35@mail.gmail.com> <1241658189712-2825510.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20090507102703.48e173a4@penguin.cz> I have tried the 0.40 (*) version on shr-unstable and all works good as expected :) Petr * http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2825510/intone_0.40-pre_arm.ipk On Wed, 6 May 2009 18:03:09 -0700 (PDT) c_c (C) wrote: > >Hi, > >Robin Paulson wrote: >> >>>> ?Do you want id3 tags in the list too? >>>oh, in that case, i'm not that keen on adding it. i like how it's >>>nice and responsive at the moment, even on slow hardware >> > I'm still considering this. Will investigate the actual performance > hit >after this weekend's release. If it is acceptable at the time of the >initial scan, I'll include this in a later release. > > >Robin Paulson wrote: >> >>>oh, i see. got you. is there a global mixer for doing this? >> > Yup, I'll just use amixer to set the values. > > >Robin Paulson wrote: >> >>> can you make the play button change to a pause symbol when it's >>> playing? >> >Already Done. > >Ok. So here's what's done. > > * Bass and treble sliders > * better sizes (imo) > * dbus integration - prevent suspens and pause on incoming call > * alternate ciew with id3 and album art > * default icon if no album art exists > * some clean ups > * icon change of play button to pause when playing > >In process > > * saving and restoring system volume, bass and treble settings for > exit >and pause > * album art icon sizing > * getting song info for the alternate view when not playing > * scanning files without extension crash > > Should be done by the weekend. > > One more thing, since now SHR, OM 2009 (unstable) and FSO all use the >newer e libraries, >I'm thinking of moving over to them. Just wanted to know if there are >people still using older >distributions - in which case I'll have to release 2 diff packages. > > For those on the newer libraries - a pre-release version is attached >below. Just wanted to >get some early feedback on the dbus stuff mainly - as also any other >relevant points. > > >-- >View this message in context: >http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-%280.30---beta-release%29-Elementary-based-mplayer-frontend-tp2587826p2825510.html >Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Openmoko community mailing list >community at lists.openmoko.org >http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Petr Van?k http://biodynamika.cz -- Petr Vanek Customer Service Representative ROBE lighting s. r. o. TECHNICAL CENTER Palackeho 416 757 01 Valasske Mezirici Czech Republic Cell: +420 723 452 980 Fax : +420 571 669 255 E-mail: petr.vanek at robe.cz http://www.robe.cz From cchandel at yahoo.com Thu May 7 10:49:54 2009 From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 01:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <20090507102703.48e173a4@penguin.cz> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <1239071533739-2596701.post@n2.nabble.com> <1240365483670-2673672.post@n2.nabble.com> <26fea52c0904221251ka285390xf0564b023c974c38@mail.gmail.com> <1240534653630-2689065.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905010431wb3d19d6qe950591c165e2b3e@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905010437v6742ae19u165c6e905b0ad132@mail.gmail.com> <1241188660584-2753590.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905011922t67b076bcx950083d5159fe2c8@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770905020314h6191accav9ff37a968667b1ce@mail.gmail.com> <1241603736204-2810025.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905060443q4c493920sca7035c1aa44c254@mail.gmail.com> <1241614199610-2814123.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905061712l69829eb9ve6abe6980b3f4d35@mail.gmail.com> <1241658189712-2825510.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090507102703.48e173a4@penguin.cz> Message-ID: <1241686194478-2826812.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Petr Vanek wrote: > > I have tried the 0.40 (*) version on shr-unstable and all works good as > expected :) > Thanks. Hope the playing song resumes correctly on call hang up. Any other feedback? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-%280.40---beta-pre-release%29-Elementary-based-mplayer-frontend-tp2587826p2826812.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kimaidou at gmail.com Thu May 7 10:50:48 2009 From: kimaidou at gmail.com (kimaidou) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:50:48 +0200 Subject: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <1241680979805-2826536.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241603736204-2810025.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905060443q4c493920sca7035c1aa44c254@mail.gmail.com> <1241614199610-2814123.post@n2.nabble.com> <2f3aa2770905061712l69829eb9ve6abe6980b3f4d35@mail.gmail.com> <1241658189712-2825510.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241669145752-2826039.post@n2.nabble.com> <40cd9ce40905070014p46a2769bhe5ebb3b74799824b@mail.gmail.com> <1241680979805-2826536.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <40cd9ce40905070150xca7c33dk3d5c890631d1c198@mail.gmail.com> > Yup. Debian package too coming this time :-) > -- > GREAAT, thx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090507/1453df67/attachment.htm From djdas at djdas.net Thu May 7 10:56:16 2009 From: djdas at djdas.net (DJDAS) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 10:56:16 +0200 Subject: Bluetooth headsets in FSO In-Reply-To: References: <4A015418.6020409@djdas.net> <60567dcc0905060459t38687df1xab6a8e9228de0a0c@mail.gmail.com> <60567dcc0905060540g2faefaabk1f8518a9bd0dec84@mail.gmail.com> <4A019A78.5060406@djdas.net> Message-ID: <4A02A230.5050701@djdas.net> Paul Fertser ha scritto: > DJDAS writes: > >> Franky Van Liedekerke ha scritto: >> >>>> Framework already supports BT headsets. The fact GUI is missing shows >>>> the lack of interest from end-users, well, i think it'll change soon. >>>> >>>> >>> hmm ... I thought end-users were people actually using the phone, not >>> unix-hackers ... >>> >> That's why I wrote it ;) >> > > It's very nice you work on it. Too bad you use a dead-born deprecated > distro ;) > Well, to be honest I'm a maintainer of a distro called FDTF based on Om2008.9+FDOM(September version) I customized for the Italian community at http://forum.telefoninux.org. I still use it because it's quite stable, telephony works (little qtopia bugs but it's daily usable) and with the community suggestions I added various customizations in the startup scripts, keyboards, themes and so on. I'm stuck with it because I have no much time to re-test everything in FSO-based distros and I don't like their telephony-PIM (qtopia IMHO still rocks hard). So this is my development environment with pros & cons obviously, but I think it's better to have a daily quite stable phone rather than something updated but quite unusable, I'll wait for real stable releases with no one who wants to recreate the wheel from scratch after something goes wrong at the end of the job ;) > As Franky already mentioned, bluez3 and bluez4 interfaces are > completely different, so porting won't be that easy :-/ > No probs ;) It's just a matter of code > > One of the reasons FSO integrates functionality of powering and > resetting devices is exactly that. Higher level app devs shouldn't be > bothered with kernel changes, FSO quickly adopts to it and you receive > all updates free. In fact, you might like the idea of FSO, take a look > at specs ;) > Oh, I know and appreciate FSO way but I need something really stable and working, not something "randomly working after an update" :P Seriously: as I said above I'll make BlueMoko compatible with FSO but for my daily use I'll stick with my FDTF until a real stable working out-of-the-box distro will be released ;) Thanks you, bye! From madhatter at teaparty.net Thu May 7 11:23:58 2009 From: madhatter at teaparty.net (Tom Yates) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:23:58 +0100 (BST) Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 May 2009, Petr Vanek wrote: > Hi Angus, > > thank you for the info and hard work. hear, here. i had begun to fear that work had completely stopped on 2009 - but this is clearly not so! > I have been testing paroli every two to three weeks (regularly i use > shr). today i have flashed the testing release 2 image and used it this > afternoon. the testing release seems to be full of new features. i > flashed it to nand, i use qi. i have also flashed testing release 2 (1.5.2009, the paroli image) and am using it as my main phone (this may seem unwise, but i'd managed to roach 2008.12 so badly that qpe reliably crashed within 60s of rebooting the phone). i'd rather put my effort into going forward than replicating the past. where would you like us to report bugs? here, or is there a tracker? and what about things which are not necessarily bugs (ie, possible RFEs)? > two times (huh, now again.. so three times) the tele crashed during > phone call (call did not get disconnected so i could finish it.) then > paroli restart or neo restart... i'm getting this, both with calls made and calls received. what can i provide that will help diagnose this? > i never really understood the time changing by pressing the AUX > button... and how do you set alarm time? now there's an interesting feature! > autosuspend although enabled did not work, autodim does work i also find this. >> Bugs fixed >> Power button does not shutdown device > > not for me :) ditto. > i still have it on so i can do more tests if necessary... and i'll have it on for a while. is there any documentation on the format of the paroil address book so i can try to get my contacts over in bulk? -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net From tanuva at googlemail.com Thu May 7 11:24:53 2009 From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:24:53 +0200 Subject: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <40cd9ce40905070150xca7c33dk3d5c890631d1c198@mail.gmail.com> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241680979805-2826536.post@n2.nabble.com> <40cd9ce40905070150xca7c33dk3d5c890631d1c198@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200905071124.53104.tanuva@gmail.com> Am Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 10:50:48 schrieb kimaidou: > > Yup. Debian package too coming this time :-) > > -- > > GREAAT, thx So you got an elementary and python-elm package for Debian?! That'd be awsum, u knoez... ;) -- Marcel From wee.kiampeng at orangeknob.com Thu May 7 11:35:26 2009 From: wee.kiampeng at orangeknob.com (Kiam Peng Wee) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:35:26 +0000 Subject: OpenMoko and LCD TV In-Reply-To: References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450905050957l53674cb4ra19983aed397984d@mail.gmail.com> <200905051808.40154.vendion@charter.net> <200905052334.53180.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <896a62680905070235k1cce408wa9494c829ba8e881@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:05 AM, roby wrote: > sorry for continuing the ot, but.. i always dreamt of a tv adblocker, > anybody know of some project in this direction? > http://compression.ru/video/tv_commercial_detector/index_en.html http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/How_to_write_a_new_method_of_commercial_detection KP From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt Thu May 7 11:32:18 2009 From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (Vasco =?iso-8859-15?b?Tul2b2E=?=) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 10:32:18 +0100 Subject: [shr-testing] kernel with working g_ether to Windoze connection? In-Reply-To: References: <20090506152124.55736i7mc0th499g@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <20090506163842.139830w5nt0tfjsy@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <4A01BE3F.9010707@sapo.pt> Message-ID: <20090507103218.715772mvck1r93tu@w0.mail.sapo.pt> Thanks, Paul. I ended up upgrading from shr-testing to shr-unstable, and the problems are gone. So, the non-functional kernel+g_ether must have been: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0e5fe639e234cdeb11d8441f19c5b3109a8b6a17-r2-om-gta02.bin And the current working one is: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119805+f656a97d946a2529630c9770a72c10a24dc397f9-r3.4-om-gta02.bin I was just surprised to see the problem getting fixed and lost and refixed at least 2 times in a row. It feels like someone made a patch and it just doesn't stick - maybe it didn't make it upstream and sometimes it isn't appllied? I don't know the kernel source stream from vanilla down to SHR, so I'm talking out of my... imagination. ;) Anyway, I'm glad it is solved, and I hope it doesn't come back so easily again. Citando Paul Fertser : > Vasco Nevoa writes: >>> Why don't you just specify which kernel revision works and which >>> doesn't? How any kernel dev is supposed to solve your problems if you >>> even don't properly describe it? Why don't you use the kernel that >>> worked on your FR in the meantime? >>> >>> >> If I knew, I wouldn't have a problem, would I? :) > > At least you know the date (and the place you downloaded) the kernel > had no problems and the problematic revision you use now, but you > don't specify it. > > The kernel commit that finally fixed RNDIS issues was > f63e59c84aa21d2745f115209bf949eca27008b1 and it was added to > andy-tracking branch on Mar 16. I don't see anything related since > then. Since you don't specify what revision you use now, i'm unable to > even say if your rev includes the commit or not. > > -- > Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! > mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com > From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt Thu May 7 11:32:18 2009 From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (Vasco =?iso-8859-15?b?Tul2b2E=?=) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 10:32:18 +0100 Subject: [shr-testing] kernel with working g_ether to Windoze connection? In-Reply-To: References: <20090506152124.55736i7mc0th499g@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <20090506163842.139830w5nt0tfjsy@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <4A01BE3F.9010707@sapo.pt> Message-ID: <20090507103218.715772mvck1r93tu@w0.mail.sapo.pt> Thanks, Paul. I ended up upgrading from shr-testing to shr-unstable, and the problems are gone. So, the non-functional kernel+g_ether must have been: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0e5fe639e234cdeb11d8441f19c5b3109a8b6a17-r2-om-gta02.bin And the current working one is: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119805+f656a97d946a2529630c9770a72c10a24dc397f9-r3.4-om-gta02.bin I was just surprised to see the problem getting fixed and lost and refixed at least 2 times in a row. It feels like someone made a patch and it just doesn't stick - maybe it didn't make it upstream and sometimes it isn't appllied? I don't know the kernel source stream from vanilla down to SHR, so I'm talking out of my... imagination. ;) Anyway, I'm glad it is solved, and I hope it doesn't come back so easily again. Citando Paul Fertser : > Vasco Nevoa writes: >>> Why don't you just specify which kernel revision works and which >>> doesn't? How any kernel dev is supposed to solve your problems if you >>> even don't properly describe it? Why don't you use the kernel that >>> worked on your FR in the meantime? >>> >>> >> If I knew, I wouldn't have a problem, would I? :) > > At least you know the date (and the place you downloaded) the kernel > had no problems and the problematic revision you use now, but you > don't specify it. > > The kernel commit that finally fixed RNDIS issues was > f63e59c84aa21d2745f115209bf949eca27008b1 and it was added to > andy-tracking branch on Mar 16. I don't see anything related since > then. Since you don't specify what revision you use now, i'm unable to > even say if your rev includes the commit or not. > > -- > Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! > mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com > From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Thu May 7 11:44:20 2009 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 12:44:20 +0300 Subject: Mokomaze as non-root In-Reply-To: (The Digital Pioneer's message of "Wed, 6 May 2009 22:59:20 -0500") References: Message-ID: <84bpq5tfgr.fsf@sauna.l.org> The Digital Pioneer writes: > Not sure what all issues you're experiencing, but the accelerometers are > probably root:root access only (they are on mine, SHR-unstable), if that's > your problem. You can probably chmod them manually, but I'm sure you can mod > some conf somewhere to change it. Not sure what... The largest problem are those /sys files, you can't change their permissions. From roland at quru.com Thu May 7 11:58:47 2009 From: roland at quru.com (Roland Whitehead) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:58:47 +0100 Subject: [SHR] emacs package In-Reply-To: References: <0919B245-F105-4C86-9423-87004C016551@quru.com> Message-ID: On 6 May 2009, at 16:04, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> It's been asked before but I can't find any references to a package >> for Emacs. Does such exist? If not, how can I get Emacs running - > > If you run Debian on your FR, then you can just "aptitude install > emacs". Even easier - from within your terminal app run: opkg install http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/emacs_22.3-r0_armv 4t.ipk It takes a bit of time to install but when its there, there is no problem at all - works as it should Now to install fso-el: http://wiki.wjsullivan.net/collaboration.cgi/FsoEl Roland -- Quru Ltd, London From cgagneraud at techworks.ie Thu May 7 12:08:21 2009 From: cgagneraud at techworks.ie (Christian Gagneraud) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 11:08:21 +0100 Subject: Intone (0.20 - alpha release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4A02B315.7090104@techworks.ie> c_c wrote: > Hi, > Well, it took a lot longer than I thought - but finally - here's the alpha release of Intone - a mplayer frontend (for audio files - as of now) in C. Uses about 2% CPU (max) while running - memory goes up depending on your playlist - on my phone (~2500 songs) it uses about 15%. > All you need to do is download the attached ipk and install it. Intone depends on sqlite3 and libelementary. If you have elementary on your phone upgraded to a level where the elementary test application shows you a demo of sliders and genlists, Intone should run on your phone. > The recommended way to organise music is to put all the files in a folder (lets say Music), with sub folders named after artists (say Music ->Eagles) and with sub sub folders holding albums (that becomes Music->Eagles->Hell Freezes Over->*.mp3). That way, Intone can correctly organise your music collection into albums. It automatically creates a default playlist containing all songs and individual playlists for each album. I have added features to manage playlists and albums - but there is always scope for improvement. > Intone uses a sqlite database as a backend for the playlists and albums. That should, hopefully, give flexibility in adding more features later. Hi, hum.. stupid question: Where do you get the dependencies from? (mplayer, codecs, etc...). I'm using OM 2009 testing release 2. Thanks, Chris > > Things that don't work as of now :- > > 1. Feedback. - I haven't been able to add dialogs yet. So - wait a little while for Intone to finish long operations (like adding your music collection for the first time - my 2500 odd songs took about 6 secs - the button remains pressed too) > 2. Dialogs for deleting stuff. It's safe - Intone does not delete any files - but it does delete tables(albums and playlists) - and it doesn't yet ask for confirmation. > 3. Seek. Dont know how to use the slider for seeking. Any Ideas? > 4. DBUS. - Haven't gotten around to learning edbus - so no occupy resouce CPU or pause on incoming calls yet. Will take some more time. > 5. Album art and lyrics. - Don't yet know the best way to go about doing this other than downloading art from some retailers etc. Ideas welcome. > 6. Toggle View. Not working yet. I intend having 2 more views - Album Art and Lyrics. > > I'm also looking at adding support for the button that the standard handsfree has - as a volume control (3 preselcted levels in rotation) or to go to next song (1 click) and prev song (2 clicks). Any suggestions? > > Since I also have half a podcast manager built (which I couldn't finish in time for the competition) - I'm also looking at adding that support in the future. > > Feedback Required > 1. Bug reports. > 2. Artwork - Ideas / png's / whatever > 3. Elementary help. I have a lot of questions. Here are a few :- > a) How do I reduce the vert height of 1 entry in the genlist? Right now each line in the list is too high (almost 3 text lines high) - so I get only about 4 song names on the screen. Can I reduce the height to say 1.5 text line - 2 text line? > b) How do I use the pager with a genlist? In my case the pager works - but it doesn't show the genlist - the buttons all show up though. > c) Dialogs and progress bars. I know elementary doesn't have them - but can I make/have a simple ty solution for the time being? > > Oh! And I'm only adding .oga, .mp3, .m4a and wma files into the albums. Any other types I need to add? > > I'll upload the code to intone.googlecode.com soon. > All feedback welcome. Thanks. > intone_0.20_arm.ipk From ed at kapitein.org Thu May 7 12:18:45 2009 From: ed at kapitein.org (Ed Kapitein) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 12:18:45 +0200 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> Message-ID: <1241691525.31791.24.camel@lp-00079.dt01.tno.nl> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 10:23 +0100, Tom Yates wrote: > On Tue, 5 May 2009, Petr Vanek wrote: > > > Hi Angus, > > > > thank you for the info and hard work. +1 >< > i also find this. > > >> Bugs fixed > >> Power button does not shutdown device > > > > not for me :) > > ditto. +1 > > > i still have it on so i can do more tests if necessary... > > and i'll have it on for a while. > > is there any documentation on the format of the paroil address book so i > can try to get my contacts over in bulk? > I have a +/- 3 pixel band on the top with random "noise" and colors. Is it possible to add the use of the aux button to the wiki? I discovered it by accident. Could you make a manual on the wiki on how to use paroli? It is not all that intuitive. I made my phone dual boot now, if i like to hack i boot gentoo from SD card. if i need a phone that just works, i boot paroli. for now it is 90% gentoo and 10% paroli, due to missing features as GPS app, gprs, browser, mail client, etc. But then again perhaps it is best to have a stable phone and take it from there. Kind regards, Ed From yorickmoko at gmail.com Thu May 7 12:28:45 2009 From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:28:45 +0200 Subject: Intone (0.20 - alpha release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <4A02B315.7090104@techworks.ie> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A02B315.7090104@techworks.ie> Message-ID: <26fea52c0905070328q5ad49f4eo958caf2e2c0f24df@mail.gmail.com> it won't run here: root at om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2825510/intone_0.40-pr e_arm.ipk Downloading http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2825510/intone_0.40-pre_arm.ipk Multiple packages (intone and intone) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Multiple packages (intone and intone) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Upgrading intone on root from 0.30 to 0.40-pre... Collected errors: * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for intone: * elementary * root at om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2825510/intone_0.40-pr e_arm.ipk -force-depends Downloading http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2825510/intone_0.40-pre_arm.ipk Multiple packages (intone and intone) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Multiple packages (intone and intone) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Upgrading intone on root from 0.30 to 0.40-pre... Configuring intone Collected errors: * Warning: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for intone: * elementary * root at om-gta02 ~ $ DISPLAY=:0 intone intone: error while loading shared libraries: libehal-ver-pre-01.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Christian Gagneraud wrote: > c_c wrote: >> Hi, >> ? Well, it took a lot longer than I thought - but finally ?- here's the alpha release of Intone - a mplayer frontend (for audio files - as of now) in C. Uses about 2% CPU (max) while running - memory goes up depending on your playlist - on my phone (~2500 songs) it uses about 15%. >> ? All you need to do is download the attached ipk and install it. Intone depends on sqlite3 and libelementary. If you have elementary on your phone upgraded to a level where the elementary test application shows you a demo of sliders and genlists, Intone should run on your phone. >> ? The recommended way to organise music is to put all the files in a folder (lets say Music), with sub folders named after artists (say Music ->Eagles) and with sub sub folders holding albums (that becomes Music->Eagles->Hell Freezes Over->*.mp3). That way, Intone can correctly organise your music collection into albums. It automatically creates a default playlist containing all songs and individual playlists for each album. I have added features to manage playlists and albums - but there is always scope for improvement. >> ? Intone uses a sqlite database as a backend for the playlists and albums. That should, hopefully, give flexibility in adding more features later. > > Hi, > > hum.. stupid question: Where do you get the dependencies from? > (mplayer, codecs, etc...). I'm using OM 2009 testing release 2. > > Thanks, > Chris > >> >> ? ?Things that don't work as of now :- >> >> 1. Feedback. - I haven't been able to add dialogs yet. So - wait a little while for Intone to finish long operations (like adding your music collection for the first time - my 2500 odd songs took about 6 secs - the button remains pressed too) >> 2. Dialogs for deleting stuff. It's safe - Intone does not delete any files - but it does delete tables(albums and playlists) - and it doesn't yet ask for confirmation. >> 3. Seek. Dont know how to use the slider for seeking. Any Ideas? >> 4. DBUS. - Haven't gotten around to learning edbus - so no occupy resouce CPU or pause on incoming calls yet. Will take some more time. >> 5. Album art and lyrics. - Don't yet know the best way to go about doing this other than downloading art from some retailers etc. Ideas welcome. >> 6. Toggle View. Not working yet. I intend having 2 more views - Album Art and Lyrics. >> >> ? I'm also looking at adding support for the button that the standard handsfree has - as a volume control (3 preselcted levels in rotation) or to go to next song (1 click) and prev song (2 clicks). Any suggestions? >> >> ? Since I also have half a podcast manager built (which I couldn't finish in time for the competition) - I'm also looking at adding that support in the future. >> >> ? Feedback Required >> 1. Bug reports. >> 2. Artwork - Ideas / png's / whatever >> 3. Elementary help. I have a lot of questions. Here are a few :- >> ? ? a) How do I reduce the vert height of 1 entry in the genlist? Right now each line in the list is too high (almost 3 text lines high) - so I get only about 4 song names on the screen. Can I reduce the height to say 1.5 text line - 2 text line? >> ? ? b) How do I use the pager with a genlist? In my case the pager works - but it doesn't show the genlist - the buttons all show up though. >> ? ? c) Dialogs and progress bars. I know elementary doesn't have them - but can I make/have a simple ty solution for the time being? >> >> Oh! And I'm only adding .oga, .mp3, .m4a and wma files into the albums. Any other types I need to add? >> >> I'll upload the code to intone.googlecode.com soon. >> All feedback welcome. Thanks. >> intone_0.20_arm.ipk > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From cchandel at yahoo.com Thu May 7 12:31:15 2009 From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 03:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Intone (0.20 - alpha release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <4A02B315.7090104@techworks.ie> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A02B315.7090104@techworks.ie> Message-ID: <1241692275662-2827184.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Christian Gagneraud wrote: > >>hum.. stupid question: Where do you get the dependencies from? >>(mplayer, codecs, etc...). I'm using OM 2009 testing release 2. > Well, to get mplayer just do a 'opkg install mplayer'. mplayer includes all codecs it supports. There is an optimised version of mplayer (by paulTT) if you have a lot of ogg files here.[1] This will reduce CPU usage by about 50%. [1] http://www.paultt.org/downloads/openmoko/mplayer_dev-SVN-r29155-4.1.2-tremor-low_armv4t.ipk -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-%280.40---beta-pre-release%29-Elementary-based-mplayer-frontend-tp2587826p2827184.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com Thu May 7 12:31:19 2009 From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:31:19 +0200 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> Message-ID: > is there any documentation on the format of the paroil address book so i > can try to get my contacts over in bulk? It is in python pickle format I have been told. Look at ~/.paroli there is everything inside. (call logs, contacts, etc) If the call would work reliably I would be more than happy to use it as my daily phone. (sometimes I didnt get the "call screen"). And om2009 desperately need some love. For example remove the virtual desktop from illume bar. Cant imagine a usecase for this on a phone. Adapt the illume bar colors, icons to paroli, etc. Remove the application which does not start (Htop) Otherwise nice distro. Everything is inside what needed;) (paroli, terminal) This distro is so close to be a normal phone.... Best regards, Laszlo From cchandel at yahoo.com Thu May 7 12:39:03 2009 From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 03:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released In-Reply-To: <1241583260615-2808500.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1241202102315-2754592.post@n2.nabble.com> <84prenp8lw.fsf@sauna.l.org> <1241583260615-2808500.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1241692743921-2827218.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Nice Job. Slick graphics and performance. If only the screen stopped blanking ... ;-) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Mokomaze-0.5.0--is-released-tp2754592p2827218.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From risto at kurppa.fi Thu May 7 12:53:29 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 13:53:29 +0300 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: <1241691525.31791.24.camel@lp-00079.dt01.tno.nl> References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> <1241691525.31791.24.camel@lp-00079.dt01.tno.nl> Message-ID: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Ed Kapitein wrote: > Is it possible to add the use of the aux button to the wiki? > I discovered it by accident. > Could you make a manual on the wiki on how to use paroli? > It is not all that intuitive. I agree that the 2009 wiki page ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 ) should be updated and all these tips for new users should be definitely added. So everyone please, add your stuff there! r ps. there is a community effort to create a script to add the required apps & hacks to 'plain' 2009 in http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX - it'll eventually be the kustomizer for 2009 (for kustomizer, see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kustomizer ) - feel free to add your lines there.. -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From lothar.behrens at lollisoft.de Thu May 7 13:04:54 2009 From: lothar.behrens at lollisoft.de (Lothar Behrens) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 13:04:54 +0200 Subject: Neo to be used as a WLAN phone connected to a Linux server with an ISDN card possible? Message-ID: Hi, I am asking if it would be possible to use my Neo FreeRunner to be a phone to be used instead of an ISDN dect phone? I have a Linux server, but not tried any of this. If possible, what packages do I need (on FreeRunner and openSuSE Linux 11.1) Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen From vfebvre at easter-eggs.com Thu May 7 13:19:27 2009 From: vfebvre at easter-eggs.com (Valery Febvre) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 13:19:27 +0200 Subject: [SHR] Podboy (0.0.1 - pre-alpha release) Message-ID: <4A02C3BF.6070407@easter-eggs.com> Hi, Podboy is a podcast aggregator/player written in Python/Elementary. Its interface aims to be easy and finger friendly. It uses Feedparser Python module for download/parsing of podcast feeds, Gstreamer for playing of episodes and SQLite for storing data. It's still pretty alpha. Everything is subject to be changed, especially the database so it is possible you should lose your podcasts and yours settings with next releases. It requires a very recent version of python-elementary so I think Podboy can be run only under SHR :-( Features * Subscription, unsubscription (confirmation dialog) to podcasts * Check for new episodes * Download of a single episode or all available episodes * Delete an episode (confirmation dialog) * Player: play/pause/stop, mute, sliders for playing position of episodes and volume * Volume and playing positions of episodes are saved * Auto-suspend is disabled during playing * Playing is stopped on incoming GSM call TODO * Import/export of podcasts feeds (OPML format) * Management of played episodes * Automatic deletion of episodes older than x days * GUI improvements * ... Possible bugs * Freezing of the application after a suspend (Gstreamer problem ?) Suggestions/feedback/bug reports are welcome. Source is available at http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/podboy/ Screenshots: http://podboy.projects.openmoko.org/screenshots/ http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/816/podboy_0.0.1-r0_all.ipk Happy listening, -- Val?ry From nicola.mfb at gmail.com Thu May 7 13:22:59 2009 From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 13:22:59 +0200 Subject: Neo to be used as a WLAN phone connected to a Linux server with an ISDN card possible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <359c5480905070422g6b89eb1emce06ced647f5c641@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/7 Lothar Behrens : > Hi, > > I am asking if it would be possible to use my Neo FreeRunner to be a > phone to be used instead of an ISDN dect phone? > I have a Linux server, but not tried any of this. If possible, what > packages do I need (on FreeRunner and openSuSE Linux 11.1) > > Thanks > > Lothar For sure there are better solutions, but one that come up in my mind is to get an isdn card for your linux server supported by asterisk (zaptel?), and use some softphone on freerunner. Regards Nicola From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Thu May 7 13:27:30 2009 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 14:27:30 +0300 Subject: Neo to be used as a WLAN phone connected to a Linux server with an ISDN card possible? In-Reply-To: (Lothar Behrens's message of "Thu, 7 May 2009 13:04:54 +0200") References: Message-ID: <844ovxtaot.fsf@sauna.l.org> Lothar Behrens writes: > I am asking if it would be possible to use my Neo FreeRunner to be a > phone to be used instead of an ISDN dect phone? > I have a Linux server, but not tried any of this. If possible, what > packages do I need (on FreeRunner and openSuSE Linux 11.1) If asterisk can make calls using your ISDN line then this should be very easy. Just use linphone3 SIP client on FR and register to your asterisk. From joerg at openmoko.org Thu May 7 13:30:41 2009 From: joerg at openmoko.org (Joerg Reisenweber) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 13:30:41 +0200 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Forcing fast-charge In-Reply-To: References: <1240063519.4045.2.camel@toaster-desktop> <200905070103.28944.joerg@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <200905071330.41673.joerg@openmoko.org> Am Do 7. Mai 2009 schrieb C?dric Berger: > 2009/5/7 Joerg Reisenweber > > > > > Correct - usbdevstat allows 100mA, 500mA, 1A, and suspend (Tbl. 98, MBCC7), > > anyway... > > Setting chg_curlim won't help whatsoever, as you can set it only during > > device > > powered up and system running, and during this time the system consumption > > USB-to-SYS will add to the chg_curlim you set. So you exceed intended USB > > current by setting chg_curlim to the value you intend for USB current, just > > to shutdown device after that and hope to reach 'correct' USB current then > > eventually - that's silly. > > > > > In my case I used setting chg_curlim also for when phone is on. > Yes chg_curlim does not help to force usb real current to ie. 750m exactly. > But ! This way I could have my phone use approx 750mA when on (by setting > chg_curlim to 500mA). > > Of course it may sometimes consume up to 1A if needed (the peaks I was > talking about...). > But this is ok in my case for my weak dumb charger. > What would not be ok is having chg_curlim not forced and phone pulling 1A > for 30 minutes continuously while charging the battery faster than I need... > (And usb_curlim to 500mA would on the other hand not charge quickly enough > (about 300mA).) > So you think the STANDARD kernel should care about this rather exotic case which isn't specified properly (how long would this charger see the "1A sometimes"?) and needs massive care from userland anyway? I mean, there's some reason PCF50633 is built this way, huh? We got enough problems caring about real hw-glitches in this chip. I don't think it's recommendable to tweak it even further far beyond what's normal usecase. btw your concept isn't working as you said yourself the USB current is reset to 500mA on powerdown. So how could you charge with 750mA? If system is powered up odds are it will take away 250mA. On powerdown state it seems to me there's no way at all to charge with 750mA. I really don't see the rationale behind all this. /j -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090507/6158ed3c/attachment.pgp From lothar.behrens at lollisoft.de Thu May 7 13:29:15 2009 From: lothar.behrens at lollisoft.de (Lothar Behrens) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 13:29:15 +0200 Subject: Neo to be used as a WLAN phone connected to a Linux server with an ISDN card possible? In-Reply-To: <844ovxtaot.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <844ovxtaot.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: Ok, thanks. I have a AVM Fritz PCI ISDN card that works with the answering machine and the fax software hylafax. So I'll give it a try. The Fritz is as lspci -v told: 00:0c.0 Network controller: AVM GmbH A1 ISDN [Fritz] (rev 02) Subsystem: AVM GmbH FRITZ!Card ISDN Controller Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 10 Memory at fdb00000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=32] I/O ports at 9000 [size=32] Kernel modules: hisax_fcpcipnp, hisax Would that work? Lothar Am 07.05.2009 um 13:27 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: > Lothar Behrens writes: >> I am asking if it would be possible to use my Neo FreeRunner to be a >> phone to be used instead of an ISDN dect phone? >> I have a Linux server, but not tried any of this. If possible, what >> packages do I need (on FreeRunner and openSuSE Linux 11.1) > > If asterisk can make calls using your ISDN line then this should be > very easy. Just use linphone3 SIP client on FR and register to your > asterisk. > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen From rms at 1407.org Thu May 7 13:43:17 2009 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:43:17 +0100 Subject: Mokomaze as non-root In-Reply-To: <84bpq5tfgr.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <84bpq5tfgr.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <20090507114316.GA16668@roque.1407.org> On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 12:44:20PM +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > The Digital Pioneer writes: > > Not sure what all issues you're experiencing, but the accelerometers are > > probably root:root access only (they are on mine, SHR-unstable), if that's > > your problem. You can probably chmod them manually, but I'm sure you can mod > > some conf somewhere to change it. Not sure what... > > The largest problem are those /sys files, you can't change their permissions. What do you need them for? In OmNewRotate I use /dev/input/events3 and it always works regardless of kernel! Rui -- Kallisti! Today is Boomtime, the 54th day of Discord in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? From nicola.mfb at gmail.com Thu May 7 13:52:16 2009 From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 13:52:16 +0200 Subject: Neo to be used as a WLAN phone connected to a Linux server with an ISDN card possible? In-Reply-To: References: <844ovxtaot.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <359c5480905070452t7694840ape53599cb4cf152e1@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/7 Lothar Behrens : > Ok, > > thanks. I have a AVM Fritz PCI ISDN card that works with the answering > machine and the fax software hylafax. > So I'll give it a try. > > The Fritz is as lspci -v told: > > 00:0c.0 Network controller: AVM GmbH A1 ISDN [Fritz] (rev 02) > ? ? ? ?Subsystem: AVM GmbH FRITZ!Card ISDN Controller > ? ? ? ?Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 10 > ? ? ? ?Memory at fdb00000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=32] > ? ? ? ?I/O ports at 9000 [size=32] > ? ? ? ?Kernel modules: hisax_fcpcipnp, hisax > > Would that work? Umh it may be with the capi channel, but cannot help further as I never had ISDN line/card, please test and reports :) Nicola From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Thu May 7 13:53:41 2009 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 14:53:41 +0300 Subject: Neo to be used as a WLAN phone connected to a Linux server with an ISDN card possible? In-Reply-To: (Lothar Behrens's message of "Thu, 7 May 2009 13:29:15 +0200") References: <844ovxtaot.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <84zldpruwq.fsf@sauna.l.org> Lothar Behrens writes: > 00:0c.0 Network controller: AVM GmbH A1 ISDN [Fritz] (rev 02) > Subsystem: AVM GmbH FRITZ!Card ISDN Controller > Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 10 > Memory at fdb00000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=32] > I/O ports at 9000 [size=32] > Kernel modules: hisax_fcpcipnp, hisax > > Would that work? No idea, you need to google around I'm afraid. From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Thu May 7 13:57:13 2009 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 14:57:13 +0300 Subject: Mokomaze as non-root In-Reply-To: <20090507114316.GA16668@roque.1407.org> (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra's message of "Thu, 7 May 2009 12:43:17 +0100") References: <84bpq5tfgr.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20090507114316.GA16668@roque.1407.org> Message-ID: <84vdodruqu.fsf@sauna.l.org> Rui Miguel Silva Seabra writes: > What do you need them for? In OmNewRotate I use /dev/input/events3 and it always > works regardless of kernel! lindi1:~/debian/debian-mokomaze/mokomaze-0.5.0$ grep -r /sys src/*c src/accelerometers.c: fh = fopen("/sys/devices/platform/lis302dl.2/threshold", mode); src/accelerometers.c: fh = fopen("/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/lis302dl.2/threshold", mode); src/accelerometers.c: fh = fopen("/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/spi_s3c24xx_gpio.0/spi3.1/threshold", mode); src/vibro.c: fvibro = fopen("/sys/class/leds/neo1973:vibrator/brightness", "w"); src/vibro.c: fvibro = fopen("/sys/devices/platform/neo1973-vibrator.0/leds/neo1973:vibrator/brightness", "w"); From cgagneraud at techworks.ie Thu May 7 14:26:01 2009 From: cgagneraud at techworks.ie (Christian Gagneraud) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 13:26:01 +0100 Subject: Intone (0.20 - alpha release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <1241692275662-2827184.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A02B315.7090104@techworks.ie> <1241692275662-2827184.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4A02D359.2040208@techworks.ie> c_c wrote: > Hi, > > Christian Gagneraud wrote: >>> hum.. stupid question: Where do you get the dependencies from? >>> (mplayer, codecs, etc...). I'm using OM 2009 testing release 2. > Well, to get mplayer just do a 'opkg install mplayer'. mplayer includes all > codecs it supports. hum doesn't work with om 2009, anyway, i followed the instructions at http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX, and now it's working! Thank you for your work, it looks cute! > There is an optimised version of mplayer (by paulTT) if you have a lot of > ogg files here.[1] This will reduce CPU usage by about 50%. > > [1] > http://www.paultt.org/downloads/openmoko/mplayer_dev-SVN-r29155-4.1.2-tremor-low_armv4t.ipk From lida_mail at 163.com Thu May 7 14:29:49 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 20:29:49 +0800 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS Message-ID: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> Dear List, How can I use Google Map on tangoGPS. I select Google Map repository, but I can't download Google map? Is there any thing that I should change? -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From mail at 3v1n0.net Thu May 7 15:13:27 2009 From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 15:13:27 +0200 Subject: Detecting headset button press In-Reply-To: References: <33854.10.224.0.6.1240955482.squirrel@ssl.netureza.com> <20090429085035.GB1387@roque.1407.org> <39999.217.129.137.170.1241047910.squirrel@ssl.netureza.com> Message-ID: arne anka wrote: > fso framework detects headset plug-in and switches alsa stae accordingly > -- why don't you have a look at fso, how they do that? In my qtopia-x11 version I've used this workaround [1] to do it. Maybe it helps. [1] http://dev.3v1n0.net/gitweb/?p=qtopia-x11.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce3bcd11addffab7c3b1050f33ed8e67b0505740 -- Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ From pammoko at gmail.com Thu May 7 15:02:08 2009 From: pammoko at gmail.com (pam dirac) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:02:08 +0200 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: <1ae168930905070602v58f67bdev84892bf7c44ba411@mail.gmail.com> try this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh! On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Daniel.Li wrote: > Dear List, > > How can I use Google Map on tangoGPS. > > I select Google Map repository, but I can't download Google map? > > Is there any thing that I should change? > -- > Daniel.Li > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090507/2d852750/attachment.htm From nytowl at openmoko.org Thu May 7 15:01:57 2009 From: nytowl at openmoko.org (Angus Ainslie) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 07:01:57 -0600 Subject: [SHR] Podboy (0.0.1 - pre-alpha release) In-Reply-To: <4A02C3BF.6070407@easter-eggs.com> References: <4A02C3BF.6070407@easter-eggs.com> Message-ID: <1241701317.6888.250.camel@alap> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 13:19 +0200, Valery Febvre wrote: > > It requires a very recent version of python-elementary so I think Podboy > can be run only under SHR :-( Hi Valery, Om2009 is using a pretty recent version of python-elementary 40284, is that recent enough ? Angus From iknowjoseph at gmail.com Thu May 7 15:10:32 2009 From: iknowjoseph at gmail.com (Joseph Reeves) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:10:32 +0100 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> You may have been blacklisted from Google's servers - downloading just the tiles is frowned upon in Mountain View and they block IPs that do so. You're _supposed_ to access Google Maps only through the web API. Joseph 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li : > Dear List, > > How can I use Google Map on tangoGPS. > > I select Google Map repository, but I can't download Google map? > > Is there any thing that I should change? > -- > Daniel.Li > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From nytowl at openmoko.org Thu May 7 15:10:39 2009 From: nytowl at openmoko.org (Angus Ainslie) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 07:10:39 -0600 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> Message-ID: <1241701839.6888.258.camel@alap> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 10:23 +0100, Tom Yates wrote: > where would you like us to report bugs? here, or is there a tracker? and > what about things which are not necessarily bugs (ie, possible RFEs)? > Please report them to https://docs.openmoko.org/trac and set the milestone to Om2009 > > two times (huh, now again.. so three times) the tele crashed during > > phone call (call did not get disconnected so i could finish it.) then > > paroli restart or neo restart... > > i'm getting this, both with calls made and calls received. what can i > provide that will help diagnose this? > This is fixed with the current unstable but some new issues have shown up. If you would like to test the fixes change the repo from testing to unstable. For now don't upgrade framework just "opkg install paroli". Once the issues with the framework are sorted there will be a new image. > > i never really understood the time changing by pressing the AUX > > button... and how do you set alarm time? > > now there's an interesting feature! > > > autosuspend although enabled did not work, autodim does work > > i also find this. > > >> Bugs fixed > >> Power button does not shutdown device > > > > not for me :) > > ditto. > I'm pretty sure I got my side of this fixed now ( again currently in unstable ). The current workaround is cp /etc/freesmartphone/oeventsd/paroli_rules.yaml /etc/freesmartphone/oeventsd/rules.yaml Thanks for testing Angus From risto at kurppa.fi Thu May 7 15:16:45 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 16:16:45 +0300 Subject: Kustomizer for OM2009, see http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX Message-ID: Hi there! As we're all waiting OM2009 [1] to become a stable release, we already started writing a bash script that will install all the coolest apps and hacks in a clean OM2009. The purpose of this is to help people easily & fast to convert their barebone OM2009 to a phone/PDA/something. You're welcome to join writing the script, it's actually easier than you'd think. For instructions, code and more information, go to http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX Enjoy your freedom! r [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From nytowl at openmoko.org Thu May 7 15:17:33 2009 From: nytowl at openmoko.org (Angus Ainslie) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 07:17:33 -0600 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: <1241691525.31791.24.camel@lp-00079.dt01.tno.nl> References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> <1241691525.31791.24.camel@lp-00079.dt01.tno.nl> Message-ID: <1241702253.6888.265.camel@alap> Hi Ed, On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 12:18 +0200, Ed Kapitein wrote: > > > I have a +/- 3 pixel band on the top with random "noise" and colors. > That is from using qi. We'll check the theme to see if that can be fixed. > Is it possible to add the use of the aux button to the wiki? > I discovered it by accident. > Could you make a manual on the wiki on how to use paroli? > It is not all that intuitive. > There are some basic hints at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 If you find any more hidden features they can be added there. > I made my phone dual boot now, if i like to hack i boot gentoo from SD > card. > if i need a phone that just works, i boot paroli. > for now it is 90% gentoo and 10% paroli, due to missing features as GPS > app, gprs, browser, mail client, etc. > But then again perhaps it is best to have a stable phone and take it > from there. GPRS can be enabled from the settings app ( one of the AUX button uses ) If you change the paroli theme to illume ( in settings ) you can get all of the apps that you're used to. TangoGPS , browser (midori, dillo, fennec), claws mail. Angus From nytowl at openmoko.org Thu May 7 15:25:28 2009 From: nytowl at openmoko.org (Angus Ainslie) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 07:25:28 -0600 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> <1241691525.31791.24.camel@lp-00079.dt01.tno.nl> Message-ID: <1241702728.6888.270.camel@alap> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 13:53 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > > ps. there is a community effort to create a script to add the required > apps & hacks to 'plain' 2009 in http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX - it'll > eventually be the kustomizer for 2009 (for kustomizer, see > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kustomizer ) - feel free to add your > lines there.. > > callrec is in the feeds now so there shouldn't be any need to install it from an outside source. Is there a dictator recipe somewhere ? There are 4 apps that I would add to the feed if there were bitbake recipes for them pythm, woosh, intone and mokomaze. The players would need to to have mp3 support installed from outside the OM feeds. I'm also open to suggestions of other applications. Angus From vfebvre at easter-eggs.com Thu May 7 15:30:50 2009 From: vfebvre at easter-eggs.com (Valery Febvre) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 15:30:50 +0200 Subject: [SHR] Podboy (0.0.1 - pre-alpha release) In-Reply-To: <1241701317.6888.250.camel@alap> References: <4A02C3BF.6070407@easter-eggs.com> <1241701317.6888.250.camel@alap> Message-ID: <4A02E28A.5090408@easter-eggs.com> Angus Ainslie wrote: > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 13:19 +0200, Valery Febvre wrote: >> It requires a very recent version of python-elementary so I think Podboy >> can be run only under SHR :-( > > Hi Valery, > > Om2009 is using a pretty recent version of python-elementary 40284, is > that recent enough ? Yes. But auto-suspend and incoming GSM calls will be not handled. Currently, code requires ophonekitd which is only available under SHR (I think). I planned to look at ousaged for the next release. -- Val?ry From lida_mail at 163.com Thu May 7 15:36:43 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 21:36:43 +0800 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <1ae168930905070602v58f67bdev84892bf7c44ba411@mail.gmail.com> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <1ae168930905070602v58f67bdev84892bf7c44ba411@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241703404.11347.1.camel@daniel-laptop> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 15:02 +0200, pam dirac wrote: > try this > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh! There is only one item for update "OSM", how to config this program to update Google Maps? > > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Daniel.Li wrote: > Dear List, > > How can I use Google Map on tangoGPS. > > I select Google Map repository, but I can't download Google > map? > > Is there any thing that I should change? > -- > Daniel.Li > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From raster at rasterman.com Thu May 7 15:39:13 2009 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 23:39:13 +1000 Subject: Enlightenment and .desktop file (with autostarting) In-Reply-To: References: <20090507081235.367918fe.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <20090507233913.cce81338.raster@rasterman.com> On Thu, 7 May 2009 08:01:10 +0200 Laszlo KREKACS said: > Thanks for you reply! > > > > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Carsten Haitzler > wrote: > > the only cache is a runtime cache in ram - none on disk. and restart of e > > (including its own restart) will completely rebuild it from disk. it does > > monitor files and on changes, reads them. there could be a race condition > > with a partially written file by the time e reads it. so chances are... > > your command is just wrong. if it can change the name - its loading all the > > fields, and then running them. e may have a different $PATH in its > > environment than your shell remember, so use full paths to be explicit. > > > > I specified the full path. I will post the .desktop file later today. > > If I quit from paroli (using the illume bar), I cant relaunch it anymore. Just > if I kill -HUP enlightenment. After that will start paroli. (I get a > loading screen). > > So I need to kill enlightenment each time I quit paroli. > Rather strange. actually - did you make sure paroli ACTUALLY quit? that it didnt stay running and just iconify its window? -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From nytowl at openmoko.org Thu May 7 15:56:23 2009 From: nytowl at openmoko.org (Angus Ainslie) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 07:56:23 -0600 Subject: Enlightenment and .desktop file (with autostarting) In-Reply-To: <20090507233913.cce81338.raster@rasterman.com> References: <20090507081235.367918fe.raster@rasterman.com> <20090507233913.cce81338.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <1241704583.6888.275.camel@alap> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 23:39 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > > So I need to kill enlightenment each time I quit paroli. > > Rather strange. > > actually - did you make sure paroli ACTUALLY quit? that it didnt stay running > and just iconify its window? > Currently paroli won't quit. It backgrounds itself so it can catch calls and bring up the answer window ( this will configurable in the future ) Angus From michael at 2020support.com Thu May 7 16:05:11 2009 From: michael at 2020support.com (Michael) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 15:05:11 +0100 Subject: GTA01 question : what capacity of .... In-Reply-To: <200904240416.21384.wim.delvaux@adaptiveplanet.com> (from wim.delvaux@adaptiveplanet.com on Fri Apr 24 03:16:21 2009) References: <200904240416.21384.wim.delvaux@adaptiveplanet.com> Message-ID: <1241705111.17079.0@unix.2020support.com> On 24/04/09 03:16:21, wim.delvaux at adaptiveplanet.com wrote: > ... Micro SD card does it support ? > > I.e. if I buy a 8GB micro SD card, would the GTA01 be able to use > it ? > > Thx 8GB cards work fine. Might try a 16GB when the price comes down. Michael. From rms at 1407.org Thu May 7 16:09:22 2009 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:09:22 +0100 Subject: Mokomaze as non-root In-Reply-To: <84vdodruqu.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <84bpq5tfgr.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20090507114316.GA16668@roque.1407.org> <84vdodruqu.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <20090507140922.GA5194@roque.1407.org> On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 02:57:13PM +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > Rui Miguel Silva Seabra writes: > > What do you need them for? In OmNewRotate I use /dev/input/events3 and it always > > works regardless of kernel! > > lindi1:~/debian/debian-mokomaze/mokomaze-0.5.0$ grep -r /sys src/*c > src/accelerometers.c: fh = fopen("/sys/devices/platform/lis302dl.2/threshold", mode); > src/accelerometers.c: fh = fopen("/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/lis302dl.2/threshold", mode); > src/accelerometers.c: fh = fopen("/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/spi_s3c24xx_gpio.0/spi3.1/threshold", mode); > src/vibro.c: fvibro = fopen("/sys/class/leds/neo1973:vibrator/brightness", "w"); > src/vibro.c: fvibro = fopen("/sys/devices/platform/neo1973-vibrator.0/leds/neo1973:vibrator/brightness", "w"); Ah oops, that's true :( Rui -- All Hail Discordia! Today is Boomtime, the 54th day of Discord in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? From lida_mail at 163.com Thu May 7 16:19:39 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 22:19:39 +0800 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 14:10 +0100, Joseph Reeves wrote: > You may have been blacklisted from Google's servers Yes, when I change the ip, it can download. But it'll be soon blacklisted again. So how can I download google map with tangoGPS? > - downloading just > the tiles is frowned upon in Mountain View and they block IPs that do > so. You're _supposed_ to access Google Maps only through the web API. > > Joseph > > > > 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li : > > Dear List, > > > > How can I use Google Map on tangoGPS. > > > > I select Google Map repository, but I can't download Google map? > > > > Is there any thing that I should change? > > -- > > Daniel.Li > > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From raster at rasterman.com Thu May 7 16:20:25 2009 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 00:20:25 +1000 Subject: Enlightenment and .desktop file (with autostarting) In-Reply-To: <1241704583.6888.275.camel@alap> References: <20090507081235.367918fe.raster@rasterman.com> <20090507233913.cce81338.raster@rasterman.com> <1241704583.6888.275.camel@alap> Message-ID: <20090508002025.8b527203.raster@rasterman.com> On Thu, 07 May 2009 07:56:23 -0600 Angus Ainslie said: > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 23:39 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > > > > So I need to kill enlightenment each time I quit paroli. > > > Rather strange. > > > > actually - did you make sure paroli ACTUALLY quit? that it didnt stay > > running and just iconify its window? > > > > Currently paroli won't quit. It backgrounds itself so it can catch calls > and bring up the answer window ( this will configurable in the future ) and thats probably why it comes back up again. one of 2 things. 1. if iconified - e will match the command line to the .desktop file - or simply know that that .desktop file launched that app and thus running it again if the window for that app is still there should simply bring that window up again... or 2. paroli has its own session finding/handling so it finds the existing instance of itself and ipc's asking it to show its window again - much like firefox does or a whole bunch of apps these days can do. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From iknowjoseph at gmail.com Thu May 7 16:38:03 2009 From: iknowjoseph at gmail.com (Joseph Reeves) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:38:03 +0100 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> I suppose you'll have to find a way to keep changing your IP address, or use a different map provider. If you really don't want to use OpenStreetMap data, gvSIG Mobile displays data from Microsoft Live Maps: http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/ http://www.opkg.org/package_162.html Cheers, Joseph 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li : > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 14:10 +0100, Joseph Reeves wrote: >> You may have been blacklisted from Google's servers > > Yes, when I change the ip, it can download. But it'll be soon > blacklisted again. > > So how can I download google map with tangoGPS? > > >> - downloading just >> the tiles is frowned upon in Mountain View and they block IPs that do >> so. You're _supposed_ to access Google Maps only through the web API. >> >> Joseph >> >> >> >> 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li : >> > Dear List, >> > >> > How can I use Google Map on tangoGPS. >> > >> > I select Google Map repository, but I can't download Google map? >> > >> > Is there any thing that I should change? >> > -- >> > Daniel.Li >> > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Openmoko community mailing list >> > community at lists.openmoko.org >> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > -- > Daniel.Li > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) > > > From mail at 3v1n0.net Thu May 7 17:06:11 2009 From: mail at 3v1n0.net (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?=22Marco_Trevisan_=28Trevi=F1o=29=22?=) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 17:06:11 +0200 Subject: [SHR] Podboy (0.0.1 - pre-alpha release) In-Reply-To: <4A02C3BF.6070407@easter-eggs.com> References: <4A02C3BF.6070407@easter-eggs.com> Message-ID: Valery Febvre wrote: > Podboy is a podcast aggregator/player written in Python/Elementary. > > Its interface aims to be easy and finger friendly. I've just seen the screenshots but the interface is very cool. Compliments ;) > It uses Feedparser Python module for download/parsing of podcast feeds, I've not tried it, so I'm only figuring this, but not to block the interface you could use the ecore_con (ecore_file_download) functions to retrieve the data. > Gstreamer for playing of episodes and SQLite for storing data. Is it gstreamer better than mplayer (from the performance point of view)? -- Trevi?o's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ From jldominguez at prodevelop.es Thu May 7 17:04:49 2009 From: jldominguez at prodevelop.es (Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 17:04:49 +0200 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop><958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com><1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi. You can also use the Yahoo imagery (both on tango and gvSIG Mobile) as an alternative to Google. For urban areas, the Yahoo imagery is very nice too. What is your area of interest? Regards, Juan Lucas ________________________________ De: community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org en nombre de Joseph Reeves Enviado el: jue 07/05/2009 16:38 Para: lida_mail at 163.com CC: List for Openmoko community discussion Asunto: Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS I suppose you'll have to find a way to keep changing your IP address, or use a different map provider. If you really don't want to use OpenStreetMap data, gvSIG Mobile displays data from Microsoft Live Maps: http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/ http://www.opkg.org/package_162.html Cheers, Joseph 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li : > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 14:10 +0100, Joseph Reeves wrote: >> You may have been blacklisted from Google's servers > > Yes, when I change the ip, it can download. But it'll be soon > blacklisted again. > > So how can I download google map with tangoGPS? > > >> - downloading just >> the tiles is frowned upon in Mountain View and they block IPs that do >> so. You're _supposed_ to access Google Maps only through the web API. >> >> Joseph >> >> >> >> 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li : >> > Dear List, >> > >> > How can I use Google Map on tangoGPS. >> > >> > I select Google Map repository, but I can't download Google map? >> > >> > Is there any thing that I should change? >> > -- >> > Daniel.Li >> > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net ) >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Openmoko community mailing list >> > community at lists.openmoko.org >> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > -- > Daniel.Li > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net ) > > > _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mai 2009 schrieb George Brooke: >(particularly good if you have different > installs with different ssh keys and you don't want to keep editing your > known_hosts file. #!/bin/sh /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0 #ssh to Neo without contantly being nagged about known_hosts ssh \ -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no \ -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null \ root at 192.168.0.202 #cheers #/j -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090507/5676cf0f/attachment.pgp From drac2000 at hotmail.com Thu May 7 17:24:44 2009 From: drac2000 at hotmail.com (drac2000) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Debuzzing In-Reply-To: <59af3fb30904300918l32de3fc6u6ec7282fead84ba3@mail.gmail.com> References: <9D3A614A-30FF-4E57-BCD1-FAA7C4039B87@computer.org> <59af3fb30904300918l32de3fc6u6ec7282fead84ba3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241709884620-2829163.post@n2.nabble.com> I have same request ;-) I'm in Canada Jim Ancona wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller > wrote: >> >> Am 28.04.2009 um 22:30 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: >> >>> >>> 2) Therefore we plan to offer this service to all Openmoko owners >>> within the EU harmonized market / tax union (to avoid re-import/ >>> export hassle). Please note that there will be a rework fee. The >>> final price is not yet clear (expected to be less than 30 EUR incl. >>> shipment) because we are in intensive discussions with Openmoko how >>> they can help to reduce this fee for you. >> >> Openmoko has given us now full support and therefore, we can reduce >> the fee dramatically. A bad news is that you have to cover 2 way >> shipment. But another good news is that Openmoko provides a free >> battery as a gift for each shipment. > > Can someone from Openmoko comment on whether there are plans to offer > something similar outside the EU? I'm in the US, but I'm sure > Freerunner users elsewhere are also interested. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Debuzzing-tp2736682p2829163.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From risto at kurppa.fi Thu May 7 17:29:32 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 18:29:32 +0300 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: <1241702728.6888.270.camel@alap> References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> <1241691525.31791.24.camel@lp-00079.dt01.tno.nl> <1241702728.6888.270.camel@alap> Message-ID: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Angus Ainslie wrote: > callrec is in the feeds now so there shouldn't be any need to install it > from an outside source. Is there a dictator recipe somewhere ? > > There are 4 apps that I would add to the feed if there were bitbake > recipes for them pythm, woosh, intone and mokomaze. The players would > need to to have mp3 support installed from outside the OM feeds. I'm > also open to suggestions of other applications. > > Angus I'm really glad to hear this! I'd really like to have all the cool apps from opkg.org find a new home in the official feeds. To me it has looked to be very difficult to do so Angus, could you make sure that there are proper instruction available in the wiki how to create the bitbake recipes and then start a campaign (=e-mail thread in the community list, make sure it's in the community news etc) to get as many apps in the official feeds as possible.. This would make the official distros more usable as people wouldn't need to install apps from opkg.org or projects.openmoko.. r | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From joerg at openmoko.org Thu May 7 17:36:50 2009 From: joerg at openmoko.org (Joerg Reisenweber) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 17:36:50 +0200 Subject: OpenMoko and LCD TV In-Reply-To: <4A00F0CB.9040106@roguewrt.org> References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> <4A00F0CB.9040106@roguewrt.org> Message-ID: <200905071736.51398.joerg@openmoko.org> Am Mi 6. Mai 2009 schrieb roguemoko at roguewrt.org: > Although they become redundant pretty quick in our circles, they are > great for the non-technical. I just wish they would support some viable > way of upgrading/flashing to support more codecs. I don't think I'll be > seeing an rs232 port an LCD TV anytime soon :) 32LG3000 http://de.lge.com/products/model/detail/lcdtv_32lg3000.jhtml ? 32? (81cm) Bildschirmdiagonale ? Bildschirmgr??e 708 x 398mm im 16:9 Format ? 1.366 x 768 Pixel Aufl?sung, 8 bit Farbaufl?sung ? Spitzenhelligkeit 500cd/m? / Kontrastverh?ltnis 15.000:1 (dynamisch) ? Film Mode (3:2 / 2:2 Pull Down), Just Scan, Eye Care, Fresh White ? HDMI Deep-Color-Technologie ? 1 DVB-T- & analoger Hyperband-Tuner mit 8-Tage DVB-T EPG ? Eingangssignale: VGA-SXGA, PAL / SECAM / NTSC, SDTV & HDTV (480i, 480p, 576i, 576p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p mit 30fps, 60fps, 24fps und 50fps) ? Invisible Speaker System ? Clear-Voice-Technologie f?r kristallklaren Sound ? SRS TruSurround XT Soundoptimierung ? Expert Mode, ISF ready, AV Mode ? Eing?nge: PC, RS-232C, PC Audio, 2 Scart (1 x RGB), Video, S-Video, 3 HDMI ________________^^^^^^^ +USB (Service) (1.3) mit HDCP und SIMPLINK, Komponente (YUV), Kopfh?reranschluss ? Geh?usefarbe: Pianolackdesign ? + 20? drehbarer Standfu? ? HD ready -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090507/6e12c21e/attachment.pgp From rask at sygehus.dk Thu May 7 17:39:08 2009 From: rask at sygehus.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 17:39:08 +0200 Subject: Speed of NAND flash vs. SD card (Was: Ain't it funny..) In-Reply-To: <1241529145.6888.241.camel@alap> References: <5c6ceea80905050019j44156bdahff31b53707dc3810@mail.gmail.com> <1241510653972-2791563.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241529145.6888.241.camel@alap> Message-ID: <20090507153907.GF27350@sygehus.dk> On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 07:12:25AM -0600, Angus Ainslie wrote: > You could always use the .tar.gz on an sd card ( It boots way faster > that way anyway :) NAND flash ought to be a lot faster than Glamo's MMC interface. Where is the bug? FWIW, I tried a simple hdparm run on NOR flash, NAND flash and SD card: root at debian-gta02:~# hdparm --direct -t /dev/mtdblock0 # NOR flash /dev/mtdblock0: Timing O_DIRECT disk reads: 2 MB in 1.24 seconds = 1.61 MB/sec root at debian-gta02:~# hdparm --direct -t /dev/mtdblock3 # NAND flash /dev/mtdblock3: Timing O_DIRECT disk reads: 8 MB in 2.89 seconds = 2.77 MB/sec root at debian-gta02:~# hdparm --direct -t /dev/mmcblk0 # Glamo MMC /dev/mmcblk0: Timing O_DIRECT disk reads: 8 MB in 3.46 seconds = 2.31 MB/sec -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year From lida_mail at 163.com Thu May 7 17:43:46 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 23:43:46 +0800 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 17:04 +0200, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: > Hi. You can also use the Yahoo imagery ( Yahoo imagery http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=120 It seems ok, but a little bit faint on my area. Thanks. downlading.... :) > both on tango and gvSIG Mobile) as an alternative to Google. For urban > areas, the Yahoo imagery is very nice too. What is your area of > interest? When I'm city. OpenStreetMap is quite OK, although most of roads are NOT covered. but it's OK. Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is nothing with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :) So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :) > > Regards, > Juan Lucas > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > De: community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org en nombre de > Joseph Reeves > Enviado el: jue 07/05/2009 16:38 > Para: lida_mail at 163.com > CC: List for Openmoko community discussion > Asunto: Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS > > > I suppose you'll have to find a way to keep changing > your IP address, > or use a different map provider. If you really don't > want to use > OpenStreetMap data, gvSIG Mobile displays data from > Microsoft Live > Maps: > > http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/ > http://www.opkg.org/package_162.html > > Cheers, Joseph > > > > 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li : > > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 14:10 +0100, Joseph Reeves > wrote: > >> You may have been blacklisted from Google's servers > > > > Yes, when I change the ip, it can download. But > it'll be soon > > blacklisted again. > > > > So how can I download google map with tangoGPS? > > > > > >> - downloading just > >> the tiles is frowned upon in Mountain View and they > block IPs that do > >> so. You're _supposed_ to access Google Maps only > through the web API. > >> > >> Joseph > >> > >> > >> > >> 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li : > >> > Dear List, > >> > > >> > How can I use Google Map on tangoGPS. > >> > > >> > I select Google Map repository, but I can't > download Google map? > >> > > >> > Is there any thing that I should change? > >> > -- > >> > Daniel.Li > >> > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Openmoko community mailing list > >> > community at lists.openmoko.org > >> > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > >> > > > -- > > Daniel.Li > > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From vendion at gmail.com Thu May 7 17:50:33 2009 From: vendion at gmail.com (Adam Jimerson) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:50:33 -0400 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Daniel.Li wrote: > > > Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is nothing > with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :) > > So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :) > > I don't get a chance to play with TangoGPS much but if I remember correctly it supports logging so OSM can be improved, maybe someone with more knowledge in this matter can provide more details. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090507/fe989635/attachment.htm From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Thu May 7 17:51:59 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:51:59 -0700 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: perhaps you should enable gps tracking and fill in those gaps : ) On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Daniel.Li wrote: > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 17:04 +0200, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: >> Hi. You can also use the Yahoo imagery ( > > Yahoo imagery http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=120 > > It seems ok, but a little bit faint on my area. > > Thanks. downlading.... :) > > >> both on tango and gvSIG Mobile) as an alternative to Google. For urban >> areas, the Yahoo imagery is very nice too. What is your area of >> interest? > > When I'm city. OpenStreetMap is quite OK, although most of roads are NOT > covered. but it's OK. > > Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is nothing > with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :) > > So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :) > > > > >> >> Regards, >> Juan Lucas >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> De: community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org en nombre de >> Joseph Reeves >> Enviado el: jue 07/05/2009 16:38 >> Para: lida_mail at 163.com >> CC: List for Openmoko community discussion >> Asunto: Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS >> >> >> I suppose you'll have to find a way to keep changing >> your IP address, >> or use a different map provider. If you really don't >> want to use >> OpenStreetMap data, gvSIG Mobile displays data from >> Microsoft Live >> Maps: >> >> http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/ >> http://www.opkg.org/package_162.html >> >> Cheers, Joseph >> >> >> >> 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li : >> > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 14:10 +0100, Joseph Reeves >> wrote: >> >> You may have been blacklisted from Google's servers >> > >> > Yes, when I change the ip, it can download. But >> it'll be soon >> > blacklisted again. >> > >> > So how can I download google map with tangoGPS? >> > >> > >> >> - downloading just >> >> the tiles is frowned upon in Mountain View and they >> block IPs that do >> >> so. You're _supposed_ to access Google Maps only >> through the web API. >> >> >> >> Joseph >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li : >> >> > Dear List, >> >> > >> >> > How can I use Google Map on tangoGPS. >> >> > >> >> > I select Google Map repository, but I can't >> download Google map? >> >> > >> >> > Is there any thing that I should change? >> >> > -- >> >> > Daniel.Li >> >> > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Openmoko community mailing list >> >> > community at lists.openmoko.org >> >> > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > >> > -- >> > Daniel.Li >> > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) >> > >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > -- > Daniel.Li > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From iknowjoseph at gmail.com Thu May 7 17:52:38 2009 From: iknowjoseph at gmail.com (Joseph Reeves) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 16:52:38 +0100 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: <958244340905070852n2466cc9fo9fd7c4c5f162ca4b@mail.gmail.com> I've found that it's very enjoyable to travel somewhere not on OSM and add it later ;-) SHR + TangoGPS seems stable enough, and kind enough on the battery, to let me walk around for a whole day (or rather, walk as much as I'd want to in a day) and log everywhere I go. I guess that doesn't really help you with your current problem, however, but hopefully you'll work something out. Cheers, Joseph 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li : > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 17:04 +0200, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: >> Hi. You can also use the Yahoo imagery ( > > Yahoo imagery http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=120 > > It seems ok, but a little bit faint on my area. > > Thanks. downlading.... :) > > >> both on tango and gvSIG Mobile) as an alternative to Google. For urban >> areas, the Yahoo imagery is very nice too. What is your area of >> interest? > > When I'm city. OpenStreetMap is quite OK, although most of roads are NOT > covered. but it's OK. > > Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is nothing > with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :) > > So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :) > > > > >> >> Regards, >> Juan Lucas >> >> >> >> >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ______________________________________________________ >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? De: community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org en nombre de >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Joseph Reeves >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Enviado el: jue 07/05/2009 16:38 >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Para: lida_mail at 163.com >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? CC: List for Openmoko community discussion >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Asunto: Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS >> >> >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I suppose you'll have to find a way to keep changing >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? your IP address, >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? or use a different map provider. If you really don't >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? want to use >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? OpenStreetMap data, gvSIG Mobile displays data from >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Microsoft Live >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Maps: >> >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/ >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? http://www.opkg.org/package_162.html >> >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Cheers, Joseph >> >> >> >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li : >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 14:10 +0100, Joseph Reeves >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? wrote: >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> You may have been blacklisted from Google's servers >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > Yes, when I change the ip, it can download. But >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? it'll be soon >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > blacklisted again. >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > So how can I download google map with tangoGPS? >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> - downloading just >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> the tiles is frowned upon in Mountain View and they >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? block IPs that do >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> so. You're _supposed_ to access Google Maps only >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? through the web API. >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> Joseph >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li : >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> > Dear List, >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> > >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> > How can I use Google Map on tangoGPS. >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> > >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> > I select Google Map repository, but I can't >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? download Google map? >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> > >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> > Is there any thing that I should change? >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> > -- >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> > Daniel.Li >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> > >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> > >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> > >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> > _______________________________________________ >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> > Openmoko community mailing list >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> > community at lists.openmoko.org >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> > >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> > >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > -- >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > Daniel.Li >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > >> >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Openmoko community mailing list >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? community at lists.openmoko.org >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > -- > Daniel.Li > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Thu May 7 17:53:15 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:53:15 -0700 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: i use it all the time for editing the los angeles area. works great! it can get a bit noisy when walking though On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Adam Jimerson wrote: > > > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Daniel.Li wrote: >> >> Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is nothing >> with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :) >> >> So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :) >> > I don't get a chance to play with TangoGPS much but if I remember correctly > it supports logging so OSM can be improved, maybe someone with > more knowledge in this matter can provide more details. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > From iknowjoseph at gmail.com Thu May 7 17:54:53 2009 From: iknowjoseph at gmail.com (Joseph Reeves) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 16:54:53 +0100 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: <958244340905070854v83f113ard40cf6356a5f7a98@mail.gmail.com> Indeed: http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/13-Howto-contribute-to-OpenStreetMap.html Although I logged my tracks in TangoGPS, then converted them to GPX files using Prune: http://sourceforge.net/projects/prune-gps/ Before uploading to OSM. Works like a charm. Cheers, Joseph 2009/5/7 Adam Jimerson : > > > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Daniel.Li wrote: >> >> Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is nothing >> with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :) >> >> So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :) >> > I don't get a chance to play with TangoGPS much but if I remember?correctly > it supports logging so OSM can be improved, maybe someone with > more?knowledge?in this matter can provide more details. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > From iknowjoseph at gmail.com Thu May 7 18:00:52 2009 From: iknowjoseph at gmail.com (Joseph Reeves) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 17:00:52 +0100 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: <958244340905070900o2596f5a9k853acc15ba7aada1@mail.gmail.com> > it can get a bit noisy when walking though Which reminds me (getting OT now though), did anything ever come of the various GPS modes that the chipset supports? Last I remember you could issue a command to indicate if you where walking / in a car. Cheers, Joseph 2009/5/7 jeremy jozwik : > i use it all the time for editing the los angeles area. works great! > it can get a bit noisy when walking though > > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Adam Jimerson wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Daniel.Li wrote: >>> >>> Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is nothing >>> with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :) >>> >>> So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :) >>> >> I don't get a chance to play with TangoGPS much but if I remember correctly >> it supports logging so OSM can be improved, maybe someone with >> more knowledge in this matter can provide more details. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From mariankerler at gmx.de Thu May 7 18:14:12 2009 From: mariankerler at gmx.de (kerler marian) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 18:14:12 +0200 Subject: Online Petition gegen Internetsperren Message-ID: <4A0308D4.9040905@gmx.de> Hallo, this mail is addressed to all german people they should read visit epetitionen.bundestag.de MfG Marian Kerler From triveros at enable.cl Thu May 7 18:21:22 2009 From: triveros at enable.cl (Tomas Riveros Schober) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 12:21:22 -0400 Subject: [H:1] connectivity Message-ID: <4A030A82.3020708@enable.cl> Hi List, I've been testing H:1 today and I could not find a way to use wifi nor GPRS from the list of apps . I could launch wifi-radar from the terminal but my AP uses WPA and wifi-radar is strange. It asks me for a driver to use WPA. is it ath6k? wpa_supplicant? regards, Tom From tonyberth at googlemail.com Thu May 7 18:29:55 2009 From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 18:29:55 +0200 Subject: [OM2009-FSO-zhone] pyphonelog Message-ID: <3494db260905070929g54f1aec1va9f87efc08db7c03@mail.gmail.com> I installed following: pyphonelog_0.16.3-r0_armv4t.ipk pyphonelogd_0.11.0_armv4t.ipk using the latest test fso-zhone jffs but when starting the application it crashes! Any hint to make it work? Thanks Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(I'm talking about something of the mid april...) thanks d Ps: wifi worked nicely on that, i just used some /etc/network/interfaces files and getted eth0 up from shr-setting panel... now it semms that with .29 kernels the interface is not really "responding" and i get kernel panics when insisting on ifup ifdown eth0 [sorry i can't be more precise since i haven't found the point where it breaks] 2009/5/7 Vasco N?voa > Thanks, Paul. > I ended up upgrading from shr-testing to shr-unstable, and the > problems are gone. > So, the non-functional kernel+g_ether must have been: > > http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0e5fe639e234cdeb11d8441f19c5b3109a8b6a17-r2-om-gta02.bin > And the current working one is: > > http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119805+f656a97d946a2529630c9770a72c10a24dc397f9-r3.4-om-gta02.bin > > I was just surprised to see the problem getting fixed and lost and > refixed at least 2 times in a row. It feels like someone made a patch > and it just doesn't stick - maybe it didn't make it upstream and > sometimes it isn't appllied? I don't know the kernel source stream > from vanilla down to SHR, so I'm talking out of my... imagination. ;) > Anyway, I'm glad it is solved, and I hope it doesn't come back so > easily again. > > Citando Paul Fertser : > > > Vasco Nevoa writes: > >>> Why don't you just specify which kernel revision works and which > >>> doesn't? How any kernel dev is supposed to solve your problems if you > >>> even don't properly describe it? Why don't you use the kernel that > >>> worked on your FR in the meantime? > >>> > >>> > >> If I knew, I wouldn't have a problem, would I? :) > > > > At least you know the date (and the place you downloaded) the kernel > > had no problems and the problematic revision you use now, but you > > don't specify it. > > > > The kernel commit that finally fixed RNDIS issues was > > f63e59c84aa21d2745f115209bf949eca27008b1 and it was added to > > andy-tracking branch on Mar 16. I don't see anything related since > > then. Since you don't specify what revision you use now, i'm unable to > > even say if your rev includes the commit or not. > > > > -- > > Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! > > mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090507/904bc880/attachment.htm From hersche at puzzle.ch Thu May 7 18:34:05 2009 From: hersche at puzzle.ch (Vinzenz Hersche) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 18:34:05 +0200 Subject: [H:1] connectivity In-Reply-To: <4A030A82.3020708@enable.cl> References: <4A030A82.3020708@enable.cl> Message-ID: <200905071834.05347.hersche@puzzle.ch> On Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 18.21:22 Tomas Riveros Schober wrote: > Hi List, > I've been testing H:1 today and I could not find a way to use wifi nor > GPRS from the list of apps . > > I could launch wifi-radar from the terminal but my AP uses WPA and > wifi-radar is strange. It asks me for a driver to use WPA. is it ath6k? > wpa_supplicant? > > regards, > > Tom > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community in which distro? on shr i would use mofi.. it's not very stable, but it works lot of times.. the driver should be already installed.. From matthiasfelsche at web.de Thu May 7 18:41:54 2009 From: matthiasfelsche at web.de (matthias) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 18:41:54 +0200 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: <1241702728.6888.270.camel@alap> References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> <1241691525.31791.24.camel@lp-00079.dt01.tno.nl> <1241702728.6888.270.camel@alap> Message-ID: <4A030F52.4050600@web.de> There is no bitbake recipe for dictator so far. Unfortunately! And I think there won't be, cause I don't know how to make one and I ain't got the time to get used to it. So, is there someone who can do that? It won't be too hard, for it's just a python-something. Angus Ainslie schrieb: > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 13:53 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > >> ps. there is a community effort to create a script to add the required >> apps & hacks to 'plain' 2009 in http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX - it'll >> eventually be the kustomizer for 2009 (for kustomizer, see >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kustomizer ) - feel free to add your >> lines there.. >> >> >> > > callrec is in the feeds now so there shouldn't be any need to install it > from an outside source. Is there a dictator recipe somewhere ? > > There are 4 apps that I would add to the feed if there were bitbake > recipes for them pythm, woosh, intone and mokomaze. The players would > need to to have mp3 support installed from outside the OM feeds. I'm > also open to suggestions of other applications. > > Angus > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > From triveros at enable.cl Thu May 7 18:42:12 2009 From: triveros at enable.cl (Tomas Riveros Schober) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 12:42:12 -0400 Subject: [H:1] connectivity In-Reply-To: <200905071834.05347.hersche@puzzle.ch> References: <4A030A82.3020708@enable.cl> <200905071834.05347.hersche@puzzle.ch> Message-ID: <4A030F64.2010902@enable.cl> Vinzenz Hersche escribi?: > On Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 18.21:22 Tomas Riveros Schober wrote: > >> Hi List, >> I've been testing H:1 today and I could not find a way to use wifi nor >> GPRS from the list of apps . >> >> I could launch wifi-radar from the terminal but my AP uses WPA and >> wifi-radar is strange. It asks me for a driver to use WPA. is it ath6k? >> wpa_supplicant? >> >> regards, >> >> Tom >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > in which distro? > Hackable:1 (H:1), and I don't know if mofi works with it, since it comes preinstalled with wifi-radar From nytowl at openmoko.org Thu May 7 18:56:12 2009 From: nytowl at openmoko.org (Angus Ainslie) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 10:56:12 -0600 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: <4A030F52.4050600@web.de> References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> <1241691525.31791.24.camel@lp-00079.dt01.tno.nl> <1241702728.6888.270.camel@alap> <4A030F52.4050600@web.de> Message-ID: <1241715372.6888.284.camel@alap> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 18:41 +0200, matthias wrote: > There is no bitbake recipe for dictator so far. Unfortunately! > And I think there won't be, cause I don't know how to make one and I > ain't got the time to get used to it. > So, is there someone who can do that? It won't be too hard, for it's > just a python-something. > If it uses distutils the recipe is almost trivial Angus From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Thu May 7 19:16:32 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:16:32 -0700 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <958244340905070900o2596f5a9k853acc15ba7aada1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070900o2596f5a9k853acc15ba7aada1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: the most i remember seeing was a command that limited the update intervals. faster updates for traveling quickly, slower for slow movement. cant say i remember where i read that though On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Joseph Reeves wrote: >> it can get a bit noisy when walking though > > Which reminds me (getting OT now though), did anything ever come of > the various GPS modes that the chipset supports? Last I remember you > could issue a command to indicate if you where walking / in a car. > > Cheers, Joseph > > > > 2009/5/7 jeremy jozwik : >> i use it all the time for editing the los angeles area. works great! >> it can get a bit noisy when walking though >> >> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Adam Jimerson wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Daniel.Li wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is nothing >>>> with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :) >>>> >>>> So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :) >>>> >>> I don't get a chance to play with TangoGPS much but if I remember correctly >>> it supports logging so OSM can be improved, maybe someone with >>> more knowledge in this matter can provide more details. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Openmoko community mailing list >>> community at lists.openmoko.org >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From fernando at cmartins.nl Thu May 7 19:25:00 2009 From: fernando at cmartins.nl (Fernando Martins) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 19:25:00 +0200 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <958244340905070852n2466cc9fo9fd7c4c5f162ca4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070852n2466cc9fo9fd7c4c5f162ca4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A03196C.8000903@cmartins.nl> Joseph Reeves wrote: > I've found that it's very enjoyable to travel somewhere not on OSM and > add it later ;-) SHR + TangoGPS seems stable enough, and kind enough > on the battery, to let me walk around for a whole day (or rather, walk > as much as I'd want to in a day) and log everywhere I go. > How about quality of data, I mean, for instance if you have to backtrack in a road, will you have to delete the log and restart all over? How about connecting two pieces of log? What about changing direction 90?; if walking (or even biking or car), in reality you are not doing 90?, will be doing a diagonal or a curve, but one wants to provide to OSM a 90? road connection. Essentially I'm trying to understand how burdensome (or not) it can become for a simple sightseeing to also do tracking. Regards, Fernando From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Thu May 7 19:31:08 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:31:08 -0700 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <4A03196C.8000903@cmartins.nl> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070852n2466cc9fo9fd7c4c5f162ca4b@mail.gmail.com> <4A03196C.8000903@cmartins.nl> Message-ID: no burden whats so ever. i just set it and forget it. if you want to modify or string log files all you need to is open the log file in any text editor and copy paste delete what have you. quality and accuracy are surprisingly good from what i have seen. only thing that messes me up are large concrete buildings or high rises in downtown areas. if you have an OSM account take a look at my gpstraces. all done with the openmoko and tangoGPS http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jerjozwik/traces On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Fernando Martins wrote: > Joseph Reeves wrote: >> I've found that it's very enjoyable to travel somewhere not on OSM and >> add it later ;-) SHR + TangoGPS seems stable enough, and kind enough >> on the battery, to let me walk around for a whole day (or rather, walk >> as much as I'd want to in a day) and log everywhere I go. >> > How about quality of data, I mean, for instance if you have to backtrack > in a road, will you have to delete the log and restart all over? How > about connecting two pieces of log? What about changing direction 90?; > if walking (or even biking or car), in reality you are not doing 90?, > will be doing a diagonal or a curve, but one wants to provide to OSM a > 90? road connection. > > Essentially I'm trying to understand how burdensome (or not) it can > become for a simple sightseeing to also do tracking. > > Regards, > > Fernando > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From hersche at puzzle.ch Thu May 7 19:32:38 2009 From: hersche at puzzle.ch (Vinzenz Hersche) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 19:32:38 +0200 Subject: [H:1] connectivity In-Reply-To: <4A030F64.2010902@enable.cl> References: <4A030A82.3020708@enable.cl> <200905071834.05347.hersche@puzzle.ch> <4A030F64.2010902@enable.cl> Message-ID: <200905071932.38471.hersche@puzzle.ch> On Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 18.42:12 Tomas Riveros Schober wrote: > Vinzenz Hersche escribi?: > > On Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 18.21:22 Tomas Riveros Schober wrote: > >> Hi List, > >> I've been testing H:1 today and I could not find a way to use wifi nor > >> GPRS from the list of apps . > >> > >> I could launch wifi-radar from the terminal but my AP uses WPA and > >> wifi-radar is strange. It asks me for a driver to use WPA. is it ath6k? > >> wpa_supplicant? > >> > >> regards, > >> > >> Tom > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Openmoko community mailing list > >> community at lists.openmoko.org > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > in which distro? > > Hackable:1 (H:1), and I don't know if mofi works with it, since it comes > preinstalled with wifi-radar > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ah, sry, didn't realise the h:1 :s i think, at this time is wifi-radar the best, but i read, there should be wifid or something like..this is also in the h:1-installation (i couldn't start the h:1-part now, because i copy some great files to the card).. it's more fingerfriendly, but doesn't work for me, maybe for you or with update? but i also think, marcus bauer knows more about this.. :) greets From matthiasfelsche at web.de Thu May 7 19:51:28 2009 From: matthiasfelsche at web.de (matthias) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 19:51:28 +0200 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: <1241715372.6888.284.camel@alap> References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> <1241691525.31791.24.camel@lp-00079.dt01.tno.nl> <1241702728.6888.270.camel@alap> <4A030F52.4050600@web.de> <1241715372.6888.284.camel@alap> Message-ID: <4A031FA0.9070108@web.de> it does not. But i can make it use it in the next release. just wait. matthias Angus Ainslie schrieb: > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 18:41 +0200, matthias wrote: > >> There is no bitbake recipe for dictator so far. Unfortunately! >> And I think there won't be, cause I don't know how to make one and I >> ain't got the time to get used to it. >> So, is there someone who can do that? It won't be too hard, for it's >> just a python-something. >> >> > > If it uses distutils the recipe is almost trivial > > Angus > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > From openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net Thu May 7 20:28:36 2009 From: openmoko at nastylittlehorse.net (Gothnet) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: References: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> <20090506132225.04d26093@blunt.home> Message-ID: <1241720916470-2833785.post@n2.nabble.com> arne anka wrote: > > > nope. he's just a troll. > > he's just saying what a lot of people are thinking.... I still hope to use my OM for *something*, but the chances of it ever being a reliable mobile phone are looking pretty slim. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Ain%27t-it-funny..-tp2791276p2833785.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Thu May 7 20:29:27 2009 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Johny Tenfinger) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 20:29:27 +0200 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: <4A031FA0.9070108@web.de> References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> <1241691525.31791.24.camel@lp-00079.dt01.tno.nl> <1241702728.6888.270.camel@alap> <4A030F52.4050600@web.de> <1241715372.6888.284.camel@alap> <4A031FA0.9070108@web.de> Message-ID: > There are 4 apps that I would add to the feed if there were bitbake > recipes for them pythm, woosh, intone and mokomaze. The players would I'm sure SHR has bitbake recipes for mokomaze and pythm. From freerunner at newkirk.us Thu May 7 21:47:09 2009 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:47:09 -0400 Subject: [shr-testing] kernel with working g_ether to Windoze connection? In-Reply-To: <18db98c80905070931j5403c7e7h76a396db1dcc61f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090506152124.55736i7mc0th499g@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <20090506163842.139830w5nt0tfjsy@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <4A01BE3F.9010707@sapo.pt> <20090507103218.715772mvck1r93tu@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <18db98c80905070931j5403c7e7h76a396db1dcc61f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090507154709.0bc08ce2@j> On Thu, 7 May 2009 18:31:39 +0200 Davide Scaini wrote: > I am searching for a really olg 2.6.28 kernel... (and not a .28 > mispelled that in fact it's a .29...) where can i find it? (I'm > talking about something of the mid april...) > thanks > d > > Ps: wifi worked nicely on that, i just used > some /etc/network/interfaces files and getted eth0 up from > shr-setting panel... now it semms that with .29 kernels the interface > is not really "responding" and i get kernel panics when insisting on > ifup ifdown eth0 [sorry i can't be more precise since i haven't found > the point where it breaks] I stuffed the April 14th kernel and modules up on my server, you can pull them from http://newkirk.us/om/testing/uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr119785+2bea5c68313577b214b872b0edc5968db0cf3b68-r3.2-om-gta02.bin http://newkirk.us/om/testing/modules-2.6.28-oe1+gitr119785+2bea5c68313577b214b872b0edc5968db0cf3b68-r3.2-om-gta02.tgz I'll leave them there through the weekend if your or anyone wants them. j > 2009/5/7 Vasco N?voa > > > Thanks, Paul. > > I ended up upgrading from shr-testing to shr-unstable, and the > > problems are gone. > > So, the non-functional kernel+g_ether must have been: > > > > http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0e5fe639e234cdeb11d8441f19c5b3109a8b6a17-r2-om-gta02.bin > > And the current working one is: > > > > http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119805+f656a97d946a2529630c9770a72c10a24dc397f9-r3.4-om-gta02.bin > > > > I was just surprised to see the problem getting fixed and lost and > > refixed at least 2 times in a row. It feels like someone made a > > patch and it just doesn't stick - maybe it didn't make it upstream > > and sometimes it isn't appllied? I don't know the kernel source > > stream from vanilla down to SHR, so I'm talking out of my... > > imagination. ;) Anyway, I'm glad it is solved, and I hope it > > doesn't come back so easily again. > > > > Citando Paul Fertser : > > > > > Vasco Nevoa writes: > > >>> Why don't you just specify which kernel revision works and which > > >>> doesn't? How any kernel dev is supposed to solve your problems > > >>> if you even don't properly describe it? Why don't you use the > > >>> kernel that worked on your FR in the meantime? > > >>> > > >>> > > >> If I knew, I wouldn't have a problem, would I? :) > > > > > > At least you know the date (and the place you downloaded) the > > > kernel had no problems and the problematic revision you use now, > > > but you don't specify it. > > > > > > The kernel commit that finally fixed RNDIS issues was > > > f63e59c84aa21d2745f115209bf949eca27008b1 and it was added to > > > andy-tracking branch on Mar 16. I don't see anything related since > > > then. Since you don't specify what revision you use now, i'm > > > unable to even say if your rev includes the commit or not. > > > > > > -- > > > Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) > > > software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > From lida_mail at 163.com Thu May 7 23:52:31 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 05:52:31 +0800 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: <1241733151.19116.19.camel@daniel-laptop> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 08:51 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote: > perhaps you should enable gps tracking and fill in those gaps : ) Sure, when I'm back. I'm happy to use these tracks to update OSM :) > > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Daniel.Li wrote: > > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 17:04 +0200, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: > >> Hi. You can also use the Yahoo imagery ( > > > > Yahoo imagery http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=120 > > > > It seems ok, but a little bit faint on my area. > > > > Thanks. downlading.... :) > > > > > >> both on tango and gvSIG Mobile) as an alternative to Google. For > urban > >> areas, the Yahoo imagery is very nice too. What is your area of > >> interest? > > > > When I'm city. OpenStreetMap is quite OK, although most of roads are > NOT > > covered. but it's OK. > > > > Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is > nothing > > with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :) > > > > So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :) -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From lida_mail at 163.com Thu May 7 23:55:44 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 05:55:44 +0800 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <958244340905070852n2466cc9fo9fd7c4c5f162ca4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070852n2466cc9fo9fd7c4c5f162ca4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241733344.19116.22.camel@daniel-laptop> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 16:52 +0100, Joseph Reeves wrote: > I've found that it's very enjoyable to travel somewhere not on OSM and > add it later Truely > ;-) SHR + TangoGPS seems stable enough, So do I. > and kind enough > on the battery, to let me walk around for a whole day (or rather, walk > as much as I'd want to in a day) and log everywhere I go. I have used tangoGPS for 4 hour continous logging when bicycling. (56 km) IT'S GOOD! > > I guess that doesn't really help you with your current problem, > however, but hopefully you'll work something out. > > Cheers, Joseph > > > > > 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li : > > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 17:04 +0200, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: > >> Hi. You can also use the Yahoo imagery ( > > > > Yahoo imagery http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=120 > > > > It seems ok, but a little bit faint on my area. > > > > Thanks. downlading.... :) > > > > > >> both on tango and gvSIG Mobile) as an alternative to Google. For urban > >> areas, the Yahoo imagery is very nice too. What is your area of > >> interest? > > > > When I'm city. OpenStreetMap is quite OK, although most of roads are NOT > > covered. but it's OK. > > > > Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is nothing > > with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :) > > > > So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :) > > > > > > > > > >> > >> Regards, > >> Juan Lucas > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________ > >> De: community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org en nombre de > >> Joseph Reeves > >> Enviado el: jue 07/05/2009 16:38 > >> Para: lida_mail at 163.com > >> CC: List for Openmoko community discussion > >> Asunto: Re: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS > >> > >> > >> I suppose you'll have to find a way to keep changing > >> your IP address, > >> or use a different map provider. If you really don't > >> want to use > >> OpenStreetMap data, gvSIG Mobile displays data from > >> Microsoft Live > >> Maps: > >> > >> http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/ > >> http://www.opkg.org/package_162.html > >> > >> Cheers, Joseph > >> > >> > >> > >> 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li : > >> > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 14:10 +0100, Joseph Reeves > >> wrote: > >> >> You may have been blacklisted from Google's servers > >> > > >> > Yes, when I change the ip, it can download. But > >> it'll be soon > >> > blacklisted again. > >> > > >> > So how can I download google map with tangoGPS? > >> > > >> > > >> >> - downloading just > >> >> the tiles is frowned upon in Mountain View and they > >> block IPs that do > >> >> so. You're _supposed_ to access Google Maps only > >> through the web API. > >> >> > >> >> Joseph > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> 2009/5/7 Daniel.Li : > >> >> > Dear List, > >> >> > > >> >> > How can I use Google Map on tangoGPS. > >> >> > > >> >> > I select Google Map repository, but I can't > >> download Google map? > >> >> > > >> >> > Is there any thing that I should change? > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Daniel.Li > >> >> > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > Openmoko community mailing list > >> >> > community at lists.openmoko.org > >> >> > > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > >> >> > > >> > -- > >> > Daniel.Li > >> > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Openmoko community mailing list > >> community at lists.openmoko.org > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > >> > >> > > -- > > Daniel.Li > > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From lida_mail at 163.com Thu May 7 23:56:36 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 05:56:36 +0800 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <958244340905070854v83f113ard40cf6356a5f7a98@mail.gmail.com> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070854v83f113ard40cf6356a5f7a98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241733396.19116.23.camel@daniel-laptop> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 16:54 +0100, Joseph Reeves wrote: > Indeed: > > http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/13-Howto-contribute-to-OpenStreetMap.html > > Although I logged my tracks in TangoGPS, then converted them to GPX > files using Prune: > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/prune-gps/ > > Before uploading to OSM. Works like a charm. Humm... Excellent! > > Cheers, > > Joseph > > > > 2009/5/7 Adam Jimerson : > > > > > > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Daniel.Li wrote: > >> > >> Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is nothing > >> with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :) > >> > >> So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :) > >> > > I don't get a chance to play with TangoGPS much but if I remember correctly > > it supports logging so OSM can be improved, maybe someone with > > more knowledge in this matter can provide more details. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From lida_mail at 163.com Thu May 7 23:58:52 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 05:58:52 +0800 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: <1241733532.19116.25.camel@daniel-laptop> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 08:53 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote: > i use it all the time for editing the los angeles area. works great! > it can get a bit noisy when walking though Yes, if you use GoogleMap. I just "walking into a river" :( But I didn't analysis the data yet. But how can I walk into the river??? :) > > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Adam Jimerson wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Daniel.Li wrote: > >> > >> Well, I'm going to travel next week. And I found that there is nothing > >> with OSM data (mountain area). And Google map looks fine :) > >> > >> So I hope I can download some maps before I travel :) > >> > > I don't get a chance to play with TangoGPS much but if I remember correctly > > it supports logging so OSM can be improved, maybe someone with > > more knowledge in this matter can provide more details. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Fri May 8 00:01:16 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:01:16 -0700 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <1241733532.19116.25.camel@daniel-laptop> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241733532.19116.25.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 08:53 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote: >> i use it all the time for editing the los angeles area. works great! >> it can get a bit noisy when walking though > > Yes, if you use GoogleMap. I just "walking into a river" :( > > But I didn't analysis the data yet. But how can I walk into the > river??? :) whats that now? From lida_mail at 163.com Fri May 8 00:43:21 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 06:43:21 +0800 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241733532.19116.25.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: <1241736202.19116.27.camel@daniel-laptop> http://palfocus.oicp.net/wiki/doku.php?id=blog:daniel:gpsview#how_can_i_walk_into_the_river_8 On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 15:01 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote: > > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 08:53 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote: > >> i use it all the time for editing the los angeles area. works great! > >> it can get a bit noisy when walking though > > > > Yes, if you use GoogleMap. I just "walking into a river" :( > > > > But I didn't analysis the data yet. But how can I walk into the > > river??? :) > > > whats that now? -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Fri May 8 00:47:58 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:47:58 -0700 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <1241736202.19116.27.camel@daniel-laptop> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241733532.19116.25.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241736202.19116.27.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: ah yes, thats what i mean by the gps log getting noisy when walking. if you had be on bike i think it would have been fine. most of my tracking is by car or train so i dont get those : ) On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Daniel.Li wrote: > http://palfocus.oicp.net/wiki/doku.php?id=blog:daniel:gpsview#how_can_i_walk_into_the_river_8 > > > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 15:01 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote: >> > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 08:53 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote: >> >> i use it all the time for editing the los angeles area. works great! >> >> it can get a bit noisy when walking though >> > >> > Yes, if you use GoogleMap. I just "walking into a river" :( >> > >> > But I didn't analysis the data yet. But how can I walk into the >> > river??? :) >> >> >> whats that now? > -- > Daniel.Li > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) > > > From lida_mail at 163.com Fri May 8 01:00:37 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 07:00:37 +0800 Subject: Speed of NAND flash vs. SD card (Was: Ain't it funny..) In-Reply-To: <20090507153907.GF27350@sygehus.dk> References: <5c6ceea80905050019j44156bdahff31b53707dc3810@mail.gmail.com> <1241510653972-2791563.post@n2.nabble.com> <1241529145.6888.241.camel@alap> <20090507153907.GF27350@sygehus.dk> Message-ID: <1241737237.19116.31.camel@daniel-laptop> As a matter of fact, it's really slow to tar -xf .tar file, compared with my 2440 demo board. I takes me half a day to unzip the file system to sd card with fso image. If it's with my demo board to unzip, very quick, about 10min or so. What's wrong with fso image to unzip the tar package? On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 17:39 +0200, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote: > On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 07:12:25AM -0600, Angus Ainslie wrote: > > > You could always use the .tar.gz on an sd card ( It boots way faster > > that way anyway :) > > NAND flash ought to be a lot faster than Glamo's MMC interface. Where is > the bug? FWIW, I tried a simple hdparm run on NOR flash, NAND flash and SD > card: > > root at debian-gta02:~# hdparm --direct -t /dev/mtdblock0 # NOR flash > > /dev/mtdblock0: > Timing O_DIRECT disk reads: 2 MB in 1.24 seconds = 1.61 MB/sec > > root at debian-gta02:~# hdparm --direct -t /dev/mtdblock3 # NAND flash > > /dev/mtdblock3: > Timing O_DIRECT disk reads: 8 MB in 2.89 seconds = 2.77 MB/sec > > root at debian-gta02:~# hdparm --direct -t /dev/mmcblk0 # Glamo MMC > > /dev/mmcblk0: > Timing O_DIRECT disk reads: 8 MB in 3.46 seconds = 2.31 MB/sec > -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From robin.paulson at gmail.com Fri May 8 01:15:46 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 11:15:46 +1200 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <1241703404.11347.1.camel@daniel-laptop> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <1ae168930905070602v58f67bdev84892bf7c44ba411@mail.gmail.com> <1241703404.11347.1.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770905071615i5079e69bs9ceb28e8cf26308a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/8 Daniel.Li : > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 15:02 +0200, pam dirac wrote: >> try this >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh! > > There is only one item for update "OSM", how to config this program to > update Google Maps? that wasn't an overly helpful link. yaouh is for updating tiles you already have on your system. if there are no tiles there, it won't update anything. it's more for osm, where the tiles change in some areas by the day. in one area, google's rarely change in the space of a year. you need to select the google repository in 'config', then drag the map around to download tiles. as noted though, if you abuse the system, you will be black-listed although only for a limited time i believe. i also hear a given ip is allowed to download a limited number of tiles not through the api, before access is cut. the figure i was quoted was 1000. ymmv From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com Fri May 8 01:24:46 2009 From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 01:24:46 +0200 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: <1241702728.6888.270.camel@alap> References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> <1241691525.31791.24.camel@lp-00079.dt01.tno.nl> <1241702728.6888.270.camel@alap> Message-ID: > I'm > also open to suggestions of other applications. Openmoocow. It is simple and nice to show off. Laszlo From lida_mail at 163.com Fri May 8 01:48:14 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 07:48:14 +0800 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770905071615i5079e69bs9ceb28e8cf26308a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <1ae168930905070602v58f67bdev84892bf7c44ba411@mail.gmail.com> <1241703404.11347.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <2f3aa2770905071615i5079e69bs9ceb28e8cf26308a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241740094.16274.5.camel@daniel-laptop> On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 11:15 +1200, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/5/8 Daniel.Li : > > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 15:02 +0200, pam dirac wrote: > >> try this > >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh! > > > > There is only one item for update "OSM", how to config this program to > > update Google Maps? > > that wasn't an overly helpful link. yaouh is for updating tiles you > already have on your system. if there are no tiles there, it won't > update anything. it's more for osm, where the tiles change in some > areas by the day. in one area, google's rarely change in the space of > a year. I think it's OK. well, mountain area :) > > you need to select the google repository in 'config', then drag the > map around to download tiles. I didn't see any other repository in drop down list in yaouh. And I didn't know where to find yaouh's config file. So is there any manual to guide me though this? If there is, a link will also do. > as noted though, if you abuse the > system, you will be black-listed although only for a limited time i > believe. Ah.... I just wanna download the area that I'll pass though during travel. > i also hear a given ip is allowed to download a limited > number of tiles not through the api, before access is cut. the figure > i was quoted was 1000. ymmv Is there any server that is for public service, providing service for software like tangoGPS? Or is there any website to download zipped google maps? > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Fri May 8 01:52:25 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 16:52:25 -0700 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <1241740094.16274.5.camel@daniel-laptop> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <1ae168930905070602v58f67bdev84892bf7c44ba411@mail.gmail.com> <1241703404.11347.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <2f3aa2770905071615i5079e69bs9ceb28e8cf26308a@mail.gmail.com> <1241740094.16274.5.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: > Is there any server that is for public service, providing service for > software like tangoGPS? > > Or is there any website to download zipped google maps? http://www.openaerialmap.org/map/ From roguemoko at roguewrt.org Fri May 8 01:57:26 2009 From: roguemoko at roguewrt.org (roguemoko at roguewrt.org) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 09:57:26 +1000 Subject: OpenMoko and LCD TV In-Reply-To: <200905071736.51398.joerg@openmoko.org> References: <9f2f0e730905050938v12efde87r6ee173b864718be6@mail.gmail.com> <4A00F0CB.9040106@roguewrt.org> <200905071736.51398.joerg@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <4A037566.1040302@roguewrt.org> On 8/05/2009 1:36 AM, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > Am Mi 6. Mai 2009 schrieb roguemoko at roguewrt.org: >> Although they become redundant pretty quick in our circles, they are >> great for the non-technical. I just wish they would support some viable >> way of upgrading/flashing to support more codecs. I don't think I'll be >> seeing an rs232 port an LCD TV anytime soon :) > > 32LG3000 > > http://de.lge.com/products/model/detail/lcdtv_32lg3000.jhtml > > ? 32? (81cm) Bildschirmdiagonale > ? Bildschirmgr??e 708 x 398mm im 16:9 Format > ? 1.366 x 768 Pixel Aufl?sung, 8 bit Farbaufl?sung > ? Spitzenhelligkeit 500cd/m? / Kontrastverh?ltnis 15.000:1 (dynamisch) > ? Film Mode (3:2 / 2:2 Pull Down), Just Scan, Eye Care, Fresh White > ? HDMI Deep-Color-Technologie > ? 1 DVB-T-& analoger Hyperband-Tuner mit 8-Tage DVB-T EPG > ? Eingangssignale: VGA-SXGA, PAL / SECAM / NTSC, SDTV& HDTV (480i, 480p, > 576i, 576p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p mit 30fps, 60fps, 24fps und 50fps) > ? Invisible Speaker System > ? Clear-Voice-Technologie f?r kristallklaren Sound > ? SRS TruSurround XT Soundoptimierung > ? Expert Mode, ISF ready, AV Mode > ? Eing?nge: PC, RS-232C, PC Audio, 2 Scart (1 x RGB), Video, S-Video, 3 HDMI > ________________^^^^^^^ +USB (Service) > > (1.3) mit HDCP und > SIMPLINK, Komponente (YUV), Kopfh?reranschluss > ? Geh?usefarbe: Pianolackdesign > ? + 20? drehbarer Standfu? > ? HD ready Well there you go :) ... maybe I just didn't look properly, I probably do have one ;) One of my media players supports upgrading via rs232 but I've yet to find an image and a documented method of upgrade. So despite them existing, I'm not holding my breath for an upgrade path that consumers are able to perform. I imagine this would be brand specific however. Or maybe you just have to take it to an authorised service centre ... or maybe it's just there in case they decide at some point it might be useful to support their consumers. I've yet to put more than a passing thought into it ... but it's good to know some manufacturers are leaving the option open :) Sarton From antisol at internode.on.net Fri May 8 02:04:38 2009 From: antisol at internode.on.net (Dale Maggee) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 10:04:38 +1000 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: References: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> <20090506132225.04d26093@blunt.home> Message-ID: <4A037716.308@internode.on.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 arne anka wrote: >> Bitter much? : ) > > nope. he's just a troll. > Before I bought My Neo, I was told by OM that it would work as a phone. Once I got it and said "WTF This doesn't work as a phone!" I was told by OM that 2008.8 would. So I waited. It was worse than 2007.2. I was told that 2008.12 would be much better. So I waited. Was there even any difference? Sure, the animations might have been a bit smoother, or something, but it still didn't work as a phone. When I asked for my money back I was told that it had been too long since I placed my order... despite the fact that the only reason I waited so long was that I trusted OM when they said that I would eventually get a working phone. I contacted Consumer Affairs here in AU. They told me that OM were legally bound by our laws (which include a clause giving me the right to demand a refund if the item doesn't do what I was led to believe it would do). They told me that according to the letter of the law, OM were required to give me a refund. They also told me that since they're based overseas, there's basically no way to enforce it. In short: OM Have Lied to me, then violated the consumer protection laws they're bound to by selling a Neo to an Australian Citizen by refusing to refund my money. That means that *OpenMoko Are THIEVES*. Anything I say about them is justified. IMO you can't be a troll if you're in the right. And I am. I have been defrauded of $400. And so have you. The only difference is that I'm not willing to sit around pretending that being raped is all fun and games. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKA3cVFbVnQRV3OEYRArmhAJsHt3UILhaN/1Rjt30yL8+0jtOUPwCdHLMV gIMfLw0JvJV+o4sZQD9DYrY= =nJ+d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From robin.paulson at gmail.com Fri May 8 02:07:35 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 12:07:35 +1200 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <1241740094.16274.5.camel@daniel-laptop> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <1ae168930905070602v58f67bdev84892bf7c44ba411@mail.gmail.com> <1241703404.11347.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <2f3aa2770905071615i5079e69bs9ceb28e8cf26308a@mail.gmail.com> <1241740094.16274.5.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770905071707l1b3d5c16oaa39dbdcebacb9d9@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/8 Daniel.Li : >> that wasn't an overly helpful link. yaouh is for updating tiles you >> already have on your system. if there are no tiles there, it won't >> update anything. it's more for osm, where the tiles change in some >> areas by the day. in one area, google's rarely change in the space of >> a year. > > I think it's OK. well, mountain area :) >> >> you need to select the google repository in 'config', then drag the >> map around to download tiles. > > I didn't see any other repository in drop down list in yaouh. And I > didn't know where to find yaouh's config file. when i say 'you need to select the google repository in config', i mean in tangogps, not yaouh. there is no config or setup for yaouh. it has one drop-down list, and one button this bit is very important --> the repository won't appear in yaouh's list until there are files on your system! > So is there any manual to guide me though this? If there is, a link will > also do. no manual, there's no need: 1. get some tiles by dragging the map around (in tangogps), 2. when you want to update them (in the case of google tiles, maybe once a year; in the case of osm tiles, maybe once every two weeks), run yaouh, 3. select the repository you want to update (in yaouh), 4. hit the triangle button (in yaouh) 5. wait. it's slow - maybe 100-200 tiles/minute? > Ah.... I just wanna download the area that I'll pass though during > travel. as long as it's fairly small, you'll be fine > Is there any server that is for public service, providing service for > software like tangoGPS? openstreetmap.org is the configured default repository; tango was built to use maps from there. there are several others, providing different types of data. none i know of (free, anyway - google's service is under a strict license) with the coverage of osm though > Or is there any website to download zipped google maps? no, that would be against their terms and conditions try the pirate bay From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Fri May 8 02:08:05 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 17:08:05 -0700 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <4A037716.308@internode.on.net> References: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> <20090506132225.04d26093@blunt.home> <4A037716.308@internode.on.net> Message-ID: seriously... go write the prime minister or something. if your not going to contribute your just wasting everyone else's time On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Dale Maggee wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > arne anka wrote: >>> Bitter much? : ) >> >> nope. he's just a troll. >> > > Before I bought My Neo, I was told by OM that it would work as a phone. > > Once I got it and said "WTF This doesn't work as a phone!" I was told by > OM that 2008.8 would. So I waited. > > It was worse than 2007.2. I was told that 2008.12 would be much better. > So I waited. > > Was there even any difference? Sure, the animations might have been a > bit smoother, or something, but it still didn't work as a phone. > > When I asked for my money back I was told that it had been too long > since I placed my order... despite the fact that the only reason I > waited so long was that I trusted OM when they said that I would > eventually get a working phone. > > > I contacted Consumer Affairs here in AU. They told me that OM were > legally bound by our laws (which include a clause giving me the right to > demand a refund if the item doesn't do what I was led to believe it > would do). They told me that according to the letter of the law, OM were > required to give me a refund. They also told me that since they're based > overseas, there's basically no way to enforce it. > > In short: OM Have Lied to me, then violated the consumer protection laws > they're bound to by selling a Neo to an Australian Citizen by refusing > to refund my money. That means that *OpenMoko Are THIEVES*. > > Anything I say about them is justified. IMO you can't be a troll if > you're in the right. And I am. I have been defrauded of $400. And so > have you. The only difference is that I'm not willing to sit around > pretending that being raped is all fun and games. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFKA3cVFbVnQRV3OEYRArmhAJsHt3UILhaN/1Rjt30yL8+0jtOUPwCdHLMV > gIMfLw0JvJV+o4sZQD9DYrY= > =nJ+d > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From denis.johnson at gmail.com Fri May 8 02:32:40 2009 From: denis.johnson at gmail.com (Denis Johnson) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:32:40 +1000 Subject: [New Mokomaze] Coming soon In-Reply-To: <200905070323.38868.joerg@openmoko.org> References: <1240817860516-2722681.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905070323.38868.joerg@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <20607da10905071732g120eb487x1e28811d58847021@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > Using gmeter for resetting suspend-timer is useless here as I may hold the > game steady and still don't want the screen to blank. > The only correct way to handle this is to stop screenblanking as long as > mokomaze is running. > I suggest using fsoraw for this purpose (it's been intended to handle exactly > these issues), or patch mokomaze to allocate the correct resource by itself, > though that would somewhat restrict portability of the app to non-fso based > systems. Could you or someone please describe where and how to install fsoraw on shr-testing (23 Apr or so) ? From antisol at internode.on.net Fri May 8 03:08:23 2009 From: antisol at internode.on.net (Dale Maggee) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 11:08:23 +1000 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: References: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> <20090506132225.04d26093@blunt.home> <4A037716.308@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4A038607.4020109@internode.on.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Guten Tag, Sieg Heil. Seriously... You may not have heard of it, but There's a concept that's been around for a while called "Free speech"... you know, as opposed to "free beer". "Goebbels was in favour of free speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you're really in favour of free speech, then you're in favour of freedom of speech for precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, you're not in favour of free speech." - Noam Chomsky I am contributing - contributing to Free Speech, and I'm doing my part to warn prospective customers against giving their money to thieves. If you're not in favour of free speech then I have two words for you: "Email filter". But I'm not going anywhere. (Note: I know there are quite a few deutschlanders on this list, and my use of your language is not intended in any way as a slight against your people or country. On the contrary, I think that you're among the most beautiful and intelligent people in the world, and your country reflects that... :) ) jeremy jozwik wrote: > seriously... go write the prime minister or something. if your not > going to contribute your just wasting everyone else's time > > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Dale Maggee wrote: > arne anka wrote: >>>>> Bitter much? : ) >>>> nope. he's just a troll. >>>> > Before I bought My Neo, I was told by OM that it would work as a phone. > > Once I got it and said "WTF This doesn't work as a phone!" I was told by > OM that 2008.8 would. So I waited. > > It was worse than 2007.2. I was told that 2008.12 would be much better. > So I waited. > > Was there even any difference? Sure, the animations might have been a > bit smoother, or something, but it still didn't work as a phone. > > When I asked for my money back I was told that it had been too long > since I placed my order... despite the fact that the only reason I > waited so long was that I trusted OM when they said that I would > eventually get a working phone. > > > I contacted Consumer Affairs here in AU. They told me that OM were > legally bound by our laws (which include a clause giving me the right to > demand a refund if the item doesn't do what I was led to believe it > would do). They told me that according to the letter of the law, OM were > required to give me a refund. They also told me that since they're based > overseas, there's basically no way to enforce it. > > In short: OM Have Lied to me, then violated the consumer protection laws > they're bound to by selling a Neo to an Australian Citizen by refusing > to refund my money. That means that *OpenMoko Are THIEVES*. > > Anything I say about them is justified. IMO you can't be a troll if > you're in the right. And I am. I have been defrauded of $400. And so > have you. The only difference is that I'm not willing to sit around > pretending that being raped is all fun and games. > >> _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKA4YGFbVnQRV3OEYRAk0JAKDEiDmdGUttRB9r++kN4fKL9zj6SQCgmDYR b1k8k42/YLwS2kBxx9dl778= =6xJM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From steve at openmoko.com Fri May 8 05:16:04 2009 From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 20:16:04 -0700 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <4A038607.4020109@internode.on.net> References: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> <20090506132225.04d26093@blunt.home> <4A037716.308@internode.on.net> <4A038607.4020109@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4A03A3F4.4010202@openmoko> Hi Dale. I got a note from the people who handle these issues. In looking through our store records we were unable to find any order from you at openmoko.com. That doesn't mean you haven't purchased a phone. If you could, provide me with the details of your purchase. Who you bought it from and when. Also, if you take the battery out you'll see a IMEI number and a serial number. That will help with tracking as well. So send those along as well. Best Regards Steve steve at openmoko.com Dale Maggee wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Guten Tag, Sieg Heil. > > Seriously... You may not have heard of it, but There's a concept that's > been around for a while called "Free speech"... you know, as opposed to > "free beer". > > "Goebbels was in favour of free speech for views he liked. So was > Stalin. If you're really in favour of free speech, then you're in favour > of freedom of speech for precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, > you're not in favour of free speech." - Noam Chomsky > > I am contributing - contributing to Free Speech, and I'm doing my part > to warn prospective customers against giving their money to thieves. > > If you're not in favour of free speech then I have two words for you: > "Email filter". But I'm not going anywhere. > > > (Note: I know there are quite a few deutschlanders on this list, and my > use of your language is not intended in any way as a slight against your > people or country. On the contrary, I think that you're among the most > beautiful and intelligent people in the world, and your country reflects > that... :) ) > > > jeremy jozwik wrote: > >> seriously... go write the prime minister or something. if your not >> going to contribute your just wasting everyone else's time >> >> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Dale Maggee wrote: >> arne anka wrote: >> >>>>>> Bitter much? : ) >>>>>> >>>>> nope. he's just a troll. >>>>> >>>>> >> Before I bought My Neo, I was told by OM that it would work as a phone. >> >> Once I got it and said "WTF This doesn't work as a phone!" I was told by >> OM that 2008.8 would. So I waited. >> >> It was worse than 2007.2. I was told that 2008.12 would be much better. >> So I waited. >> >> Was there even any difference? Sure, the animations might have been a >> bit smoother, or something, but it still didn't work as a phone. >> >> When I asked for my money back I was told that it had been too long >> since I placed my order... despite the fact that the only reason I >> waited so long was that I trusted OM when they said that I would >> eventually get a working phone. >> >> >> I contacted Consumer Affairs here in AU. They told me that OM were >> legally bound by our laws (which include a clause giving me the right to >> demand a refund if the item doesn't do what I was led to believe it >> would do). They told me that according to the letter of the law, OM were >> required to give me a refund. They also told me that since they're based >> overseas, there's basically no way to enforce it. >> >> In short: OM Have Lied to me, then violated the consumer protection laws >> they're bound to by selling a Neo to an Australian Citizen by refusing >> to refund my money. That means that *OpenMoko Are THIEVES*. >> >> Anything I say about them is justified. IMO you can't be a troll if >> you're in the right. And I am. I have been defrauded of $400. And so >> have you. The only difference is that I'm not willing to sit around >> pretending that being raped is all fun and games. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFKA4YGFbVnQRV3OEYRAk0JAKDEiDmdGUttRB9r++kN4fKL9zj6SQCgmDYR > b1k8k42/YLwS2kBxx9dl778= > =6xJM > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From andreas at kemnade.info Fri May 8 08:48:28 2009 From: andreas at kemnade.info (Andreas Kemnade) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 08:48:28 +0200 Subject: [All?] Dictator - the most undemocratic recording and dictation software ever In-Reply-To: <49EE16DF.7020406@gmail.com> References: <679060109@web.de> <49ED9D45.2050102@gmail.com> <200904211224.00354.david@garabana.com> <40cd9ce40904210440p2463bb81wacb871454b0d2574@mail.gmail.com> <49EE0534.9000102@free.fr> <49EE16DF.7020406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090508084828.4699d474@kemnade.info> Hi, > The only thing I notice, in our (community) work is that today we have a > LOT of applications doing gpx recording (going with memory, I remember > TangoGPS, BikeAtor, Navit, probably also GPS Sight and Mumpot). Some > applications have a database to insert POIs (like TangoGPS), but still > doesn't exists something integrating all the features we > (OSMmappers/surveyors) need. > Intregrating such things is on my todo list for mumpot. For now, I mark start and end points of a way while cycling on it (in between I select the highway class), osm data is directly created and take a photo of street signs or other things which I do not directly map on the place (perhaps for the name of a POI, or if the POI is not in my presets). Sometimes I stop to do some correction or manual editing. I upload the osm data on the go directly from mumpot. At home (on the next day or so) I download the osm data for the area again in JOSM and add the street names and other stuff from the photos. I really think an integrated solution would be best because then you do not need to switch between applications all the time and the space on the screen is limited. So doing voice recording could be a kind of "fallback" which can be activated on every object insertion if the presets are not enough. I'm also thinking about using buttons in the headset for example to start recording, or especially on the bicycle scenario, what about extra buttons on the handlebar? Greetings Andreas Kemnade -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I haven't checked it on my phone (since I don't have debian) and I haven't added any dependencies cause I don't know what the packages are called. So can you tell me the full names of the following packages on debian ? -elementary (providing libelementary) -mplayer -sqlite3 http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2843962/intone-0.40.deb intone-0.40.deb @Marcel-2 - I'm not sure what you mean. I've made a deb package for installing intone on a debian system. I hope the latest versions of elementary are available for debian. This version needs the newer libraries. @Yorick Moko - You're using a distribution with the older libraries. The newer libraries use names like 'libehal-ver-pre-01.so.0'. I'll release a ipk for the older libraries soon. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-%280.40---beta-pre-release%29-Elementary-based-mplayer-frontend-tp2587826p2843962.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jeffrey.ratcliffe at gmail.com Fri May 8 09:25:37 2009 From: jeffrey.ratcliffe at gmail.com (jeffrey.ratcliffe at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 07:25:37 +0000 Subject: [All?] Dictator - the most undemocratic recording and dictation software ever In-Reply-To: <20090508084828.4699d474@kemnade.info> Message-ID: <001636b4312df9dff20469618805@google.com> On May 8, 2009 8:48am, Andreas Kemnade wrote: > > The only thing I notice, in our (community) work is that today we have a > > LOT of applications doing gpx recording (going with memory, I remember > > TangoGPS, BikeAtor, Navit, probably also GPS Sight and Mumpot). Some > > applications have a database to insert POIs (like TangoGPS), but still > > doesn't exists something integrating all the features we > > (OSMmappers/surveyors) need. OSM2go would cover most people requirements. As far as I can tell (http://comiles.eu/~natanael/wordpress/tag/osm2go), it isn't quite there yet on the FR. 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URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090508/1c3c6ca8/attachment.htm From hersche at puzzle.ch Fri May 8 09:28:37 2009 From: hersche at puzzle.ch (hersche at puzzle.ch) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 09:28:37 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [SHR] I18N Message-ID: <42928.195.141.111.127.1241767717.squirrel@mail.puzzle.ch> hello all, i just want to make my shr-installation german.. i installed diffrent packages to make that: tangogps-locale-de locale-base-de-ch claws-mail-locale-de gpe-calendar-locale-de glibc-binary-localedata-de-ch shr-settings-locale-de libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2-locale-de libframeworkd-phonegui-efl-locale-de but there isn't anything german. so, is anywhere a config-file with which make's possible to change? i also search the enlightement-de-package.. in one installation, it was possible to select german as language, which package should be used for this? hope for help :) greets -- Vinzenz Hersche Lehrling Puzzle ITC GmbH www.puzzle.ch Telefon +41 31 370 22 00 Mobile +41 77 447 73 74 Fax +41 31 370 22 01 From dscaini at gmail.com Fri May 8 09:43:55 2009 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 09:43:55 +0200 Subject: [shr-testing] kernel with working g_ether to Windoze connection? In-Reply-To: <20090507154709.0bc08ce2@j> References: <20090506152124.55736i7mc0th499g@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <20090506163842.139830w5nt0tfjsy@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <4A01BE3F.9010707@sapo.pt> <20090507103218.715772mvck1r93tu@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <18db98c80905070931j5403c7e7h76a396db1dcc61f6@mail.gmail.com> <20090507154709.0bc08ce2@j> Message-ID: <18db98c80905080043s4b0e413ci560e1856019dcbcd@mail.gmail.com> Thank you very much! I'm downloading it... i'll give feedback. Thanks d On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Joel Newkirk wrote: > On Thu, 7 May 2009 18:31:39 +0200 > Davide Scaini wrote: > > > I am searching for a really olg 2.6.28 kernel... (and not a .28 > > mispelled that in fact it's a .29...) where can i find it? (I'm > > talking about something of the mid april...) > > thanks > > d > > > > Ps: wifi worked nicely on that, i just used > > some /etc/network/interfaces files and getted eth0 up from > > shr-setting panel... now it semms that with .29 kernels the interface > > is not really "responding" and i get kernel panics when insisting on > > ifup ifdown eth0 [sorry i can't be more precise since i haven't found > > the point where it breaks] > > I stuffed the April 14th kernel and modules up on my server, you can > pull them from > > http://newkirk.us/om/testing/uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr119785+2bea5c68313577b214b872b0edc5968db0cf3b68-r3.2-om-gta02.bin > > http://newkirk.us/om/testing/modules-2.6.28-oe1+gitr119785+2bea5c68313577b214b872b0edc5968db0cf3b68-r3.2-om-gta02.tgz > > I'll leave them there through the weekend if your or anyone wants them. > > j > > > > 2009/5/7 Vasco N?voa > > > > > Thanks, Paul. > > > I ended up upgrading from shr-testing to shr-unstable, and the > > > problems are gone. > > > So, the non-functional kernel+g_ether must have been: > > > > > > > http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0e5fe639e234cdeb11d8441f19c5b3109a8b6a17-r2-om-gta02.bin > > > And the current working one is: > > > > > > > http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119805+f656a97d946a2529630c9770a72c10a24dc397f9-r3.4-om-gta02.bin > > > > > > I was just surprised to see the problem getting fixed and lost and > > > refixed at least 2 times in a row. It feels like someone made a > > > patch and it just doesn't stick - maybe it didn't make it upstream > > > and sometimes it isn't appllied? I don't know the kernel source > > > stream from vanilla down to SHR, so I'm talking out of my... > > > imagination. ;) Anyway, I'm glad it is solved, and I hope it > > > doesn't come back so easily again. > > > > > > Citando Paul Fertser : > > > > > > > Vasco Nevoa writes: > > > >>> Why don't you just specify which kernel revision works and which > > > >>> doesn't? How any kernel dev is supposed to solve your problems > > > >>> if you even don't properly describe it? Why don't you use the > > > >>> kernel that worked on your FR in the meantime? > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> If I knew, I wouldn't have a problem, would I? :) > > > > > > > > At least you know the date (and the place you downloaded) the > > > > kernel had no problems and the problematic revision you use now, > > > > but you don't specify it. > > > > > > > > The kernel commit that finally fixed RNDIS issues was > > > > f63e59c84aa21d2745f115209bf949eca27008b1 and it was added to > > > > andy-tracking branch on Mar 16. I don't see anything related since > > > > then. Since you don't specify what revision you use now, i'm > > > > unable to even say if your rev includes the commit or not. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) > > > > software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Openmoko community mailing list > > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090508/632c2ff7/attachment.htm From djdas at djdas.net Fri May 8 09:52:22 2009 From: djdas at djdas.net (DJDAS) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 09:52:22 +0200 Subject: Debuzzing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A03E4B6.9090307@djdas.net> Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) ha scritto: > Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > >> 2) Therefore we plan to offer this service to all Openmoko owners >> within the EU harmonized market / tax union (to avoid re-import/export >> hassle). Please note that there will be a rework fee. The final price >> is not yet clear (expected to be less than 30 EUR incl. shipment) >> because we are in intensive discussions with Openmoko how they can >> help to reduce this fee for you. >> > > Is this rework fee valid also for your customers? Don't you offer a kind > of warranty? > The same for me, I'm your customer too. Thank you in advance for your answer. Bye! From robin.paulson at gmail.com Fri May 8 10:10:56 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:10:56 +1200 Subject: [SHR] Podboy (0.0.1 - pre-alpha release) In-Reply-To: <4A02C3BF.6070407@easter-eggs.com> References: <4A02C3BF.6070407@easter-eggs.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770905080110l25b3f95emaba6ef8ba305c247@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/7 Valery Febvre : > Podboy is a podcast aggregator/player written in Python/Elementary. > > > http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/816/podboy_0.0.1-r0_all.ipk great stuff, trying it out now will you be hosting it in a repository of your own, or perhaps on opkg.org ? From hns at computer.org Fri May 8 10:14:08 2009 From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:14:08 +0200 Subject: Debuzzing In-Reply-To: <4A03E4B6.9090307@djdas.net> References: <4A03E4B6.9090307@djdas.net> Message-ID: <80EACD4B-86F6-4C1C-BEF2-4D1CC0B9E3A3@computer.org> Am 08.05.2009 um 09:52 schrieb DJDAS: > Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) ha scritto: >> Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >> >>> 2) Therefore we plan to offer this service to all Openmoko owners >>> within the EU harmonized market / tax union (to avoid re-import/ >>> export >>> hassle). Please note that there will be a rework fee. The final >>> price >>> is not yet clear (expected to be less than 30 EUR incl. shipment) >>> because we are in intensive discussions with Openmoko how they can >>> help to reduce this fee for you. >>> >> >> Is this rework fee valid also for your customers? Don't you offer a >> kind >> of warranty? >> > The same for me, I'm your customer too. > Thank you in advance for your answer. > Bye! Sorry, I missed the first mail. Maybe, you did not read the final announcement (the 30 EUR was the initial upper limit) that there is only 3 EUR left over just that our shop software calculates the correct shipment fee that covers shipment expenses. The rework itself is essentially for free and Openmoko provides an additional free battery to make good your efforts and the time you don't have the Freerunner to use. Nikolaus Schaller -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mobile Office Solutions by Golden Delicious Computers GmbH&Co. 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I agree that this is _the_ deal for anyone in EU. Getting a new battery in practice covers even the postage costs. Purchased my rework already. Thank you a lot for making this happen, and also to Openmoko Inc for showing some support to an initiative like this. -Timo From cedric.berger74 at gmail.com Fri May 8 10:23:02 2009 From: cedric.berger74 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E9dric_Berger?=) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:23:02 +0200 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Forcing fast-charge In-Reply-To: <200905071330.41673.joerg@openmoko.org> References: <1240063519.4045.2.camel@toaster-desktop> <200905070103.28944.joerg@openmoko.org> <200905071330.41673.joerg@openmoko.org> Message-ID: 2009/5/7 Joerg Reisenweber > A > So you think the STANDARD kernel should care about this rather exotic case > which isn't specified properly (how long would this charger see the "1A > sometimes"?) and needs massive care from userland anyway? I mean, there's > some reason PCF50633 is built this way, huh? We got enough problems caring > about real hw-glitches in this chip. I don't think it's recommendable to > tweak it even further far beyond what's normal usecase. All I want from kernel is allowing me to set whatever values I need for both usb_curlim and chg_curlim. (also when charging from an external battery pack it is very usefull too not to pump all its juice just to fill internal battery -> chg_curlim set to very low) > > btw your concept isn't working as you said yourself the USB current is > reset > to 500mA on powerdown. So how could you charge with 750mA? If system is > powered up odds are it will take away 250mA. On powerdown state it seems to > me there's no way at all to charge with 750mA. I really don't see the > rationale behind all this. > > /j > Personnaly I am not sure but it did not look like usb current was reset on powerdown when I tested (at least it was not reset to 100mA after I had to force it to 500 or 1000 on my dumb charger, and this is what I needed more !) Well, anyway, even if not perfect (chg_curlim following usb_curlim when it is changed), these settings proved really helpfull for me ! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090508/e3231c83/attachment.htm From pander at users.sourceforge.net Fri May 8 10:24:58 2009 From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 10:24:58 +0200 Subject: Debuzzing In-Reply-To: <68da43e00905080120u40d08ac1wdef2c9be47980380@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A03E4B6.9090307@djdas.net> <80EACD4B-86F6-4C1C-BEF2-4D1CC0B9E3A3@computer.org> <68da43e00905080120u40d08ac1wdef2c9be47980380@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A03EC5A.1090204@users.sourceforge.net> Timo Jyrinki wrote: > 2009/5/8 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller : >> The rework itself is essentially for free and Openmoko >> provides an additional free battery to make good your efforts and the >> time you don't have the Freerunner to use. > > I agree that this is _the_ deal for anyone in EU. Getting a new > battery in practice covers even the postage costs. Purchased my rework > already. > > Thank you a lot for making this happen, and also to Openmoko Inc for > showing some support to an initiative like this. > > -Timo I had my phone recently fixed in a fix party in Germany. Do I also get a free battery? > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From openmoko at ginguppin.de Fri May 8 10:44:29 2009 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 10:44:29 +0200 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <4A037716.308@internode.on.net> References: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> <20090506132225.04d26093@blunt.home> <4A037716.308@internode.on.net> Message-ID: >>> Bitter much? : ) >> >> nope. he's just a troll. >> > > Before I bought My Neo, I was told by OM that it would work as a phone. dale, you told us all of this already -- at least ten times. you put up your freerunner for sale at ebay months ago. you don't write anything productive on this list. why don't you just shut up? unsubscribe from this list -- you don't use the fr, you don't contribute to either community or development. the only thing you do on this list is trolling. From openmoko at ginguppin.de Fri May 8 10:47:17 2009 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 10:47:17 +0200 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <4A038607.4020109@internode.on.net> References: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> <20090506132225.04d26093@blunt.home> <4A037716.308@internode.on.net> <4A038607.4020109@internode.on.net> Message-ID: > Guten Tag, Sieg Heil. > ... > beautiful and intelligent people in the world, and your country reflects > that... :) ) wow. insulting and slimy at once! From openmoko at ginguppin.de Fri May 8 10:51:35 2009 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 10:51:35 +0200 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I appreciate there is a very high identification with the product among > the remaining users. But please dont behave like this is the Scientology > mailinglist. Using an open phone obliges you to be open minded :-) it has nothing to with "identification" but with dale's way to act. he doesn't use an fr and he does in no way contribute -- what do you call someone who lurks on a list he is in no way affiliated to and posts repeatedly meanings consisting of only "your point of interest is crap, everything you are talking about is crap and if you don't share my point of view you are idiots and nazis"? if that doesn't fit your definition of troll -- mine does. From david at garabana.com Fri May 8 10:58:47 2009 From: david at garabana.com (David Garabana Barro) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:58:47 +0200 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905081058.47367.david@garabana.com> On Friday 08 May 2009 09:47:00 Christoph Pulster wrote: > Please discuss different point of views and dont call Dave a troll. > The fact is, Freerunner was promoted as a phone. A lot of customers are > not happy with the Freerunner as a daily phone. Sales are running very > low for this reason. Although you might be right about Freerunner promoted as ready for final user on www.openmoko.com, when I bought it (August 2008), I perfectly knew software was not ready. Anyway, starting one hot thread like this at this moment has not sense and it's some kind of trolling, because if you buzz fix your Neo, and install SHR, Hackable::1, or even OM2009 on it, you will have a perfectly usable phone. Not perfect, but perfectly usable. > I appreciate there is a very high identification with the product among > the remaining users. But please dont behave like this is the Scientology > mailinglist. Using an open phone obliges you to be open minded :-) I'm sorry, but I cannot subscribe this kind of sentences: " I have been defrauded of $400. And so have you. The only difference is that I'm not willing to sit around pretending that being raped is all fun and games." Freedom of speech doesn't allow anybody to assume I'm blind nor to be condescending with me. Some time ago, I have recommended several friends *NOT* to buy a Freerunner, because software was not ready. It was a great toy for me, but my friends would get desperated. I think it's being open minded (and being a good friend ;) If someone feels raped, he can press charges to OM. But complaining on a community mailing list won't solve his problems. Don't you think? From liedekef at telenet.be Fri May 8 11:02:36 2009 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 11:02:36 +0200 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: References: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> <20090506132225.04d26093@blunt.home> <4A037716.308@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <60567dcc0905080202t5f23880br390f4f7018fcd039@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:44 AM, arne anka wrote: >>>> Bitter much? : ) >>> >>> nope. he's just a troll. >>> >> >> Before I bought My Neo, I was told by OM that it would work as a phone. > > dale, you told us all of this already -- at least ten times. > you put up your freerunner for sale at ebay months ago. > you don't write anything productive on this list. > > why don't you just shut up? > unsubscribe from this list -- you don't use the fr, you don't contribute > to either community or development. > the only thing you do on this list is trolling. Hmmm ... I do contribute and I do use my freerunner (sometimes, mostly for testing only). So I want to react for once as well: You see, in the end, Dale's not that wrong: a year after I bought the phone, I would at least expect a stable simple phone (I couldn't care less about the extras), but as a company, Openmoko didn't provide this. Therefore community releases were born, but they shouldn't be necessary, only additional (or as an alternative). In the freerunner case, only the community provides software for the phone. A year later, I have to admit, I sometimes think about selling my phone as well. I'm still using my old phone as stable phone, simply because I don't want to recharge each day or reboot my phone every now and then because unsuspend fails again, or wsod, or risk having my phone not waking up on incoming calls, etc ... QtExtendedImproved is as close as it gets for me ... Koolu promised many times a stable android release, but there also: no release, months after original promise (I mean, really: low priority for the "feature" 'entering your sim PIN' ???). Sometimes people have to face the facts as well. I *love* opensource, I don't even own a windows pc, look up my name in google if you want proof. I've worked hard for this phone in the last months, but is it really worth it? What will I do if the phone breaks? Dunno yet ... Every project, even an open project, totally in the opensource hands, can fail ... Franky From michael_zanetti at gmx.net Fri May 8 11:05:52 2009 From: michael_zanetti at gmx.net (Michael Zanetti) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 11:05:52 +0200 Subject: [New Mokomaze] Coming soon In-Reply-To: <20607da10905071732g120eb487x1e28811d58847021@mail.gmail.com> References: <1240817860516-2722681.post@n2.nabble.com> <200905070323.38868.joerg@openmoko.org> <20607da10905071732g120eb487x1e28811d58847021@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200905081105.53111.michael_zanetti@gmx.net> On Friday 08 May 2009 02:32:40 Denis Johnson wrote: > > Could you or someone please describe where and how to install fsoraw > on shr-testing (23 Apr or so) ? > There is a howto on the mokomaze project webpage. From madhatter at teaparty.net Fri May 8 11:16:42 2009 From: madhatter at teaparty.net (Tom Yates) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:16:42 +0100 (BST) Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: <1241701839.6888.258.camel@alap> References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> <1241701839.6888.258.camel@alap> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 May 2009, Angus Ainslie wrote: > Please report them to https://docs.openmoko.org/trac and set the > milestone to Om2009 happy to. i just went off to report my first (that the paroli call screen often disappears during a call, making it hard to hang up) and saw on the "new ticket" page (https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/wiki/NewTicket) the statement "Never set Priority, Severity or Milestone - thats for the QA team only!". should i follow your instructions, or theirs? if theirs, how would you like these issues tagged? > This is fixed with the current unstable but some new issues have shown > up. If you would like to test the fixes change the repo from testing to > unstable. For now don't upgrade framework just "opkg install paroli". > Once the issues with the framework are sorted there will be a new image. ok, thanks for that. i'll try to upgrade before logging any call-related bugs. > I'm pretty sure I got my side of this fixed now ( again currently in > unstable ). The current workaround is > > cp /etc/freesmartphone/oeventsd/paroli_rules.yaml > /etc/freesmartphone/oeventsd/rules.yaml for the benefit of anyone reading the list archives, that seems to be "/etc/freesmartphone/oevents/..." not ".../oeventsd/...", and it works for me - holding down the power button for 10s and releasing it starts the shutdown (within a few seconds). > Thanks for testing thanks for coding! -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net From openmoko at ginguppin.de Fri May 8 11:33:03 2009 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 11:33:03 +0200 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <60567dcc0905080202t5f23880br390f4f7018fcd039@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> <20090506132225.04d26093@blunt.home> <4A037716.308@internode.on.net> <60567dcc0905080202t5f23880br390f4f7018fcd039@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Hmmm ... I do contribute and I do use my freerunner (sometimes, mostly > for testing only). So I want to react for once as well: then there's no need for you to feel addressed :-) > You see, in the end, Dale's not that wrong: a year after I bought the > phone, I would at least expect a stable simple phone (I couldn't care > less about the extras), but as a company, Openmoko didn't provide > this. well, that has beeen discussed so many times already and nothing in the views expressed has changed. i don't see how replaying the whole tape is supposed to make a difference. criticising the state the fr and the project is in, is ok -- in fact, it has imo made the buzz fix finally available, it has improvroved communication with the om staff ... but "it's all crap, they are liars and defraudants" is in no way solving anything -- and people who have nothing to post but such comments _are_ trolls. they are not interested in making something work, not in sorting out issues but to boost their little selves -- iaw: trolls. and for dale's -- i said what i think of his kind of "argumentation". > because I don't want to recharge each day or reboot my phone every now > and then because unsuspend fails again, or wsod, or risk having my > phone not waking up on incoming calls, etc ... yeah, and there we are again. _i_ for one do not have complaints (at least no significant amount different from other phones i used) about the use as daily phone. it works now about as reliable as my treo650 used to do (which had its bad days, too) and the last time i rebootet was for the buzz fix. i don't remember when i rebooted the last time before. and still, i too have discouraged friends interested. so? what i am saying is, everybody has its own defintion of "working phone" and almost everbody has its own software configuration. so, how is a globally true statement of "fit to be used as ..." possible? stating "after one year the fr is still unsusable as (daily) phone" is simply not true! it might be true for _you_, but it isn't for _me_ -- so please, always be aware that those statemants express only _your_ point of view, not an objective truth. From billk at iinet.net.au Fri May 8 12:11:19 2009 From: billk at iinet.net.au (W.Kenworthy) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 18:11:19 +0800 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: References: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> <20090506132225.04d26093@blunt.home> <4A037716.308@internode.on.net> <60567dcc0905080202t5f23880br390f4f7018fcd039@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241777479.24600.38.camel@bunyip.localdomain> Cant let this pass ... On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 11:33 +0200, arne anka wrote: > > Hmmm ... I do contribute and I do use my freerunner (sometimes, mostly > yeah, and there we are again. > _i_ for one do not have complaints (at least no significant amount > different from other phones i used) about the use as daily phone. Either you dont use your phone or its powered off in a draw :) ... see my last comment below as to why I say this. > it works now about as reliable as my treo650 used to do (which had its bad > days, too) and the last time i rebootet was for the buzz fix. i don't I have a 650 - the FR is still a long way from being as stable even now, as the 650 was when released. I was getting uptimes of weeks (and now with the sim in the FR, a battery charge lasts a full MONTH!!!) - the FR will usually only go a few days or resume cycles before a crash or reboot is needed and must be charged daily if any real use is made of it. It may go more if i dont use it, or get any calls but then, why have a phone :) Why am I contributing to a "flame"? - my phone came in the same batch as Dales to Oz (the first release), and yes, I do feel cheated somewhat as well - though I am now getting some of the service from my FR that it was supposed to have when we purchased it - but only because I am modifying the code for various bits and pieces. My point - the FR seems to be very flaky - what works for some wont work for others - in your case it works well, but for many others it is only partially working, or not at all - and this is after 12 months!. Want a concrete example - the FR keeps lousy time. otimed was introduced to help with this - but they hard coded a European IP number into it! So it works fine in Europe but not here for me in Perth Australia because its too far away to be accurate and reliable, but the European users and devs cant see a problem as it "works for them" ... Please understand that what you see, many others are not, and might have a quite different viewpoint on this ... BillK From helge.hafting at hist.no Fri May 8 13:46:31 2009 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 13:46:31 +0200 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <4A03196C.8000903@cmartins.nl> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070852n2466cc9fo9fd7c4c5f162ca4b@mail.gmail.com> <4A03196C.8000903@cmartins.nl> Message-ID: <4A041B97.6090101@hist.no> Fernando Martins wrote: > Joseph Reeves wrote: >> I've found that it's very enjoyable to travel somewhere not on OSM and >> add it later ;-) SHR + TangoGPS seems stable enough, and kind enough >> on the battery, to let me walk around for a whole day (or rather, walk >> as much as I'd want to in a day) and log everywhere I go. >> > How about quality of data, I mean, for instance if you have to backtrack > in a road, will you have to delete the log and restart all over? How This is not how it works. You don't turn a tracklog directly into a OSM street, so this problem is avoided. 1. Walk around, with gps tracking on. 2. Using one of several possible apps, display the track on the PC, and download whatever OSM data there is for the region already. 3. So now you see some OSM data (if there were any) and your gps track on the screen. The next step then, is to draw roads using your track as a guideline. You will see where you backtracked, but you will of course draw that road only once. Your track will curve at intersections, but if you remember that the roads met at 90 degrees, then you draw them that way. 4. You also add any other information that you remember or wrote down. Such as street names, type of road, and so on. If you had several logs, then you just load all of them at the same time and draw more road lines. > Essentially I'm trying to understand how burdensome (or not) it can > become for a simple sightseeing to also do tracking. OSM mapping isn't complicated. You decide how much time you want to spend on it. You can draw just roads, roads with names, or even add all sorts of features like mailboxes, housenumbers, parks, parking lots... If drawing road lines becomes too much of a burden for you, just upload the traces to osm and hope that someone else will use them for drawing. A problem with this approach is that others won't know how the track was recorded, so they might make a wrong road where you crossed a lawn and things like that. Helge Hafting From risto at kurppa.fi Fri May 8 14:02:11 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:02:11 +0300 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> <1241701839.6888.258.camel@alap> Message-ID: Hi there! So updating paroli from testing should fix the tele crashing during calls. Can I just run http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/paroli_0.2.1+gitr22+83d262ab5c88dd32078e6e931850d69f3c1eca51-r18_armv4t.ipk or does it need some other packages from unstable too, as dependencies? Also, is there a way to enable the illume theme etc from the command line (i mean the Press AUX long to get to MENU -> DISPLAY -> PROFILE and change it from Paroli to Illume -thing). Then, could someone point me to tools to manage gps (turn on/off), wlan, gprs etc.. from GUI. Or more generally - let others know what you've installed to make it do the tricks you want. Thanks! r - working on http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From risto at kurppa.fi Fri May 8 14:12:00 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:12:00 +0300 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> <1241701839.6888.258.camel@alap> Message-ID: On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Hi there! > > So updating paroli from testing should fix the tele crashing during > calls. Can I just run > http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/paroli_0.2.1+gitr22+83d262ab5c88dd32078e6e931850d69f3c1eca51-r18_armv4t.ipk > or does it need some other packages from unstable too, as > dependencies? Decided to give it a try and it installed with no problems so far.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From robin.paulson at gmail.com Fri May 8 14:12:23 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 00:12:23 +1200 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <4A041B97.6090101@hist.no> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070852n2466cc9fo9fd7c4c5f162ca4b@mail.gmail.com> <4A03196C.8000903@cmartins.nl> <4A041B97.6090101@hist.no> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770905080512i21384e61x76c7a69ff7133fae@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/8 Helge Hafting : >> How about quality of data, I mean, for instance if you have to backtrack >> in a road, will you have to delete the log and restart all over? How > > This is not how it works. You don't turn a tracklog directly into a OSM > street, so this problem is avoided. it's perfectly acceptable to turn a tracklog into a road, and there are tools at osm/the tangogps website to do this. i find it's only useful where i'm doing a trip at high speed. at low speed the points are so close together, that the track jags all over the place and doesn't precisely represent where i walk/cycled if you do backtrack/stop for a few moments, it's possible to delete individual points from an osm way - just click on the one you want to remove, and press delete on your keyboard (this is using potlatch, by the way). or, if you've cut a corner, extra points can be added and dragged around From rakshat at gmail.com Fri May 8 14:35:46 2009 From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 18:05:46 +0530 Subject: cofundus call recorder competition results Message-ID: <69a2e4550905080535y247dfa02nee459e5886b614cc@mail.gmail.com> There were 2 entries for the cofundus call recorder competition. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Call_Recorder by Tom and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dictator by Matthias Both fulfilled enough requirements and worked well (there were problems with different distros but with FSO based SHR testing they were ok). The person I asked to judge the softwares (Shakti Singh) liked Dictator for its user interface and call recorder for its implementation of splitting the incomming and outgoing voice into different channels. He has decided to declare both the submissions as joint winners and the prize money being divided among the two. Shakti suggested that the leather case be given to Tom as his solution worked straight out of the box while Matthias solution now fully functional with the second revision. I would request all of you to try the applications and provide feedback to the authors (or enhance them yourselves as the are open licensed) Also I would like to thank Tom and Matthias for the excellent applications they have written. This was a much sought after feature request on the Freerunner. Thanks Rakshat -- -------------- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090508/ba0ab814/attachment.htm From antisol at internode.on.net Fri May 8 14:43:16 2009 From: antisol at internode.on.net (Dale Maggee) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 22:43:16 +1000 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: References: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> <20090506132225.04d26093@blunt.home> <4A037716.308@internode.on.net> <4A038607.4020109@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4A0428E4.9060804@internode.on.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 arne anka wrote: >> Guten Tag, Sieg Heil. >> ... >> beautiful and intelligent people in the world, and your country reflects >> that... :) ) > > wow. > insulting and slimy at once! > I'd just like to say thanks for addressing the points I make in such a calm and rational manner. If you were capable of being rational, you would have realised that I was referencing a totalitarian state, not a race, and then clarifying that I am not attempting to insult a race of people and that it's unfortunate that using your particular language happens to be a very effective way to express that. I do genuinely feel an affinity to your people, culture, and country. If you think that my being honest is being "insulting and slimy", then whatever. I have already recieved one off-list email from a deutschlander who understood exactly what I was trying to say, so that indicates further to me that you're just being a fanboy and not thinking independently or even weighing my arguments - you see my posts, your mind closes, and you say "troll" like a reflex. And that's sad. If you would like to suggest a more appropriate way for me to have expressed what I wanted to, I would very much like to hear it. Note however that the sarcasm used in the greeting is important to my style, so any suggestion you might make would have to retain that. Also it would want to be short and effective. Alternatively, you're welcome to address the issues I'm raising. Or you could set up an email filter and consequently STFU. All are acceptable to me - I'm in favour of free speech. But true free speech requires rational dialogue, and I'm not seeing any rational dialogue from you. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKBCjkFbVnQRV3OEYRAqcBAJ9ClvhkIToyaGGXApiNrfsWA8kotACdHsVA WsQyQnqXKZj/1XIbpVHSEQA= =PtQt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hns at computer.org Fri May 8 14:44:09 2009 From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:44:09 +0200 Subject: cofundus call recorder competition results In-Reply-To: <69a2e4550905080535y247dfa02nee459e5886b614cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <69a2e4550905080535y247dfa02nee459e5886b614cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <25CC6202-4C8B-4B6A-8B39-E8A1DBC2B041@computer.org> Great and thanks to the developers! This is the approach that makes the Openmoko a useful device that is finally superior to others. Nikolaus Am 08.05.2009 um 14:35 schrieb rakshat hooja: > There were 2 entries for the cofundus call recorder competition. > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Call_Recorder > > by Tom > > and > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dictator > > by Matthias > > Both fulfilled enough requirements and worked well (there were > problems with different distros but with FSO based SHR testing they > were ok). > > The person I asked to judge the softwares (Shakti Singh) liked > Dictator for its user interface and call recorder for its > implementation of splitting the incomming and outgoing voice into > different channels. > > He has decided to declare both the submissions as joint winners and > the prize money being divided among the two. Shakti suggested that > the leather case be given to Tom as his solution worked straight out > of the box while Matthias solution now fully functional with the > second revision. > > I would request all of you to try the applications and provide > feedback to the authors (or enhance them yourselves as the are open > licensed) > > Also I would like to thank Tom and Matthias for the excellent > applications they have written. This was a much sought after feature > request on the Freerunner. > > Thanks > > Rakshat > > > > -- > -------------- > Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from > spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. > www.firefox.com > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mobile Office Solutions by Golden Delicious Computers GmbH&Co. 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In-Reply-To: References: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> <20090506132225.04d26093@blunt.home> <4A037716.308@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4A0429F5.8040808@internode.on.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 arne anka wrote: >>>> Bitter much? : ) >>> nope. he's just a troll. >>> >> Before I bought My Neo, I was told by OM that it would work as a phone. > > dale, you told us all of this already -- at least ten times. Sources? I don't think it has been ten. and I've certainly not said *all* this before. > you put up your freerunner for sale at ebay months ago. I don't remember ever saying that. I may have said that I was *thinking* about it. Again, please cite sources. > you don't write anything productive on this list. It's productive for people who might be thinking of buying a FR. > why don't you just shut up? Why don't you just set up an email filter? > unsubscribe from this list -- you don't use the fr, you don't contribute > to either community or development. > the only thing you do on this list is trolling. See my previous email - I've already addressed these assertions. come up with something new. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKBCn1FbVnQRV3OEYRAsf4AKCKRi/kEoB1qLv7LajMmWSl3KFphQCggCrp vCSUVbcKfznA2h0MuTUeQzo= =5YVO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From antisol at internode.on.net Fri May 8 14:50:07 2009 From: antisol at internode.on.net (Dale Maggee) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 22:50:07 +1000 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <60567dcc0905080202t5f23880br390f4f7018fcd039@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> <20090506132225.04d26093@blunt.home> <4A037716.308@internode.on.net> <60567dcc0905080202t5f23880br390f4f7018fcd039@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A042A7F.10105@internode.on.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thank you very much for a rational contribution to this thread, Franky. Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:44 AM, arne anka wrote: >>>>> Bitter much? : ) >>>> nope. he's just a troll. >>>> >>> Before I bought My Neo, I was told by OM that it would work as a phone. >> dale, you told us all of this already -- at least ten times. >> you put up your freerunner for sale at ebay months ago. >> you don't write anything productive on this list. >> >> why don't you just shut up? >> unsubscribe from this list -- you don't use the fr, you don't contribute >> to either community or development. >> the only thing you do on this list is trolling. > > Hmmm ... I do contribute and I do use my freerunner (sometimes, mostly > for testing only). So I want to react for once as well: > > You see, in the end, Dale's not that wrong: a year after I bought the > phone, I would at least expect a stable simple phone (I couldn't care > less about the extras), but as a company, Openmoko didn't provide > this. Therefore community releases were born, but they shouldn't be > necessary, only additional (or as an alternative). In the freerunner > case, only the community provides software for the phone. > A year later, I have to admit, I sometimes think about selling my > phone as well. I'm still using my old phone as stable phone, simply > because I don't want to recharge each day or reboot my phone every now > and then because unsuspend fails again, or wsod, or risk having my > phone not waking up on incoming calls, etc ... > QtExtendedImproved is as close as it gets for me ... Koolu promised > many times a stable android release, but there also: no release, > months after original promise (I mean, really: low priority for the > "feature" 'entering your sim PIN' ???). > Sometimes people have to face the facts as well. I *love* opensource, > I don't even own a windows pc, look up my name in google if you want > proof. I've worked hard for this phone in the last months, but is it > really worth it? What will I do if the phone breaks? Dunno yet ... > Every project, even an open project, totally in the opensource hands, > can fail ... > > Franky > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKBCp/FbVnQRV3OEYRAr2JAJ9Rkkm/6ojk5VkK7Gg7HtJYRfWFGgCfS9Hi GFo/0xu5j+bJEM/Mcuh9JLU= =eL2H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From morten at lysgaard.no Fri May 8 15:03:26 2009 From: morten at lysgaard.no (Morten) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 06:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SHR] Podboy (0.0.1 - pre-alpha release) In-Reply-To: <4A02C3BF.6070407@easter-eggs.com> References: <4A02C3BF.6070407@easter-eggs.com> Message-ID: <1241787806767-2845175.post@n2.nabble.com> I love the interface, Python/Elementary looks and feels a hundred times better than GTK that most apps to the neo is written in, besides it's much lighter than GTK. Cudos! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-SHR--Podboy-%280.0.1---pre-alpha-release%29-tp2827386p2845175.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From antisol at internode.on.net Fri May 8 15:08:02 2009 From: antisol at internode.on.net (Dale Maggee) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 23:08:02 +1000 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: References: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> <20090506132225.04d26093@blunt.home> <4A037716.308@internode.on.net> <60567dcc0905080202t5f23880br390f4f7018fcd039@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A042EB2.1060105@internode.on.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 arne anka wrote: > so, how is a globally true statement of "fit to be used as ..." > possible? > it might be true for _you_, but it isn't for _me_ -- so please, always be > aware that those statemants express only _your_ point of view, not an > objective truth. According to Australian Laws, the customer's point of view is what matters. That's me. Hence they're breaching Australian consumer protection Laws by refusing to refund my money. I invite you to read the following for a good explanation of the Australian Laws, if you'd like more specific info: http://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/CA256902000FE154/Lookup/CAV_Publications_Business_Information/$file/A4%20Refund%20Law%20Brochure.pdf#xml=http://search.justice.vic.gov.au/isysquery/irl5ab6/3/hilite If you think that my bringing the truth out into the open, or that my attempting to stand up for my rights is "trolling", then I think that your opinions are very strange, given that the Open Source philosophy is really all about freedom, equality, and rights. I would once again Invite you to set up an email filter :) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKBC6xFbVnQRV3OEYRAlatAJ4jR20i62eguCHDZC5gWHtxprr4bgCglOwM ST3e9Sh0BPNwtnxiLU7DmvM= =UDzH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kimaidou at gmail.com Fri May 8 15:32:51 2009 From: kimaidou at gmail.com (kimaidou) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:32:51 +0200 Subject: Intone (0.20 - alpha release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <1241767503619-2843962.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A02B315.7090104@techworks.ie> <1241692275662-2827184.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A02D359.2040208@techworks.ie> <1241767503619-2843962.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <40cd9ce40905080632y3d6b6babo16221994022fda7b@mail.gmail.com> Hi c_c Thanks for the link. I tryed to download it via wget, then install it with dpk -i, but it failed : debian-gta02:~# dpkg -i intone-0.40.deb dpkg-deb: unexpected end of file in header info member in intone-0.40.deb dpkg: error processing intone-0.40.deb (--install): subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2 Errors were encountered while processing: intone-0.40.deb It seems the header of the deb file is wrong 2009/5/8 c_c > > Hi, > > Christian Gagneraud wrote: > > > >>hum doesn't work with om 2009 > > > can you post the error? > > Christian Gagneraud wrote: > > > >>Thank you for your work, it looks cute! > > > You're Welcome. > > @kimaidou - Here's the deb package. I haven't checked it on my phone (since > I don't have debian) and I haven't added any dependencies cause I don't > know > what the packages are called. So can you tell me the full names of the > following packages on debian ? > -elementary (providing libelementary) > -mplayer > -sqlite3 > > http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2843962/intone-0.40.deb intone-0.40.deb > > @Marcel-2 - I'm not sure what you mean. I've made a deb package for > installing intone on a debian system. I hope the latest versions of > elementary are available for debian. This version needs the newer > libraries. > > @Yorick Moko - You're using a distribution with the older libraries. The > newer libraries use names like 'libehal-ver-pre-01.so.0'. 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URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090508/5d344ca6/attachment.htm From tanuva at googlemail.com Fri May 8 15:34:40 2009 From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:34:40 +0200 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <4A0428E4.9060804@internode.on.net> References: <4A0428E4.9060804@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <200905081534.40448.tanuva@gmail.com> Am Freitag, 8. Mai 2009 14:43:16 schrieb Dale Maggee: > arne anka wrote: > >> Guten Tag, Sieg Heil. > >> ... > >> beautiful and intelligent people in the world, and your country > >> reflects that... :) ) > > > > wow. > > insulting and slimy at once! > > I'd just like to say thanks for addressing the points I make in such a > calm and rational manner. > > If you were capable of being rational, you would have realised that I > was referencing a totalitarian state, not a race, and then clarifying > that I am not attempting to insult a race of people and that it's > unfortunate that using your particular language happens to be a very > effective way to express that. I do genuinely feel an affinity to your > people, culture, and country. > > If you think that my being honest is being "insulting and slimy", then > whatever. I have already recieved one off-list email from a > deutschlander who understood exactly what I was trying to say, so that > indicates further to me that you're just being a fanboy and not > thinking independently or even weighing my arguments - you see my > posts, your mind closes, and you say "troll" like a reflex. And that's > sad. > > If you would like to suggest a more appropriate way for me to have > expressed what I wanted to, I would very much like to hear it. Note > however that the sarcasm used in the greeting is important to my style, > so any suggestion you might make would have to retain that. Also it > would want to be short and effective. > > Alternatively, you're welcome to address the issues I'm raising. Or you > could set up an email filter and consequently STFU. All are acceptable > to me - I'm in favour of free speech. But true free speech requires > rational dialogue, and I'm not seeing any rational dialogue from you. Dale, I'm sorry to contradict you (am I really?), but using Nazi slogans in such an affair is completely inappropriate. You may like our country as much as you want, still using this... deprecated language doesn't make me feel you really know what you're referencing there. There are WAY better examples for freedom of speech. This is no more rationale than you may think the other's contributions to be. Yours sincerely, Marcel From tanuva at googlemail.com Fri May 8 15:39:35 2009 From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:39:35 +0200 Subject: Intone (0.20 - alpha release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <1241767503619-2843962.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A02D359.2040208@techworks.ie> <1241767503619-2843962.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <200905081539.35149.tanuva@gmail.com> Am Freitag, 8. Mai 2009 09:25:03 schrieb c_c: > @kimaidou - Here's the deb package. I haven't checked it on my phone > (since I don't have debian) and I haven't added any dependencies cause > I don't know what the packages are called. So can you tell me the full > names of the following packages on debian ? > -elementary (providing libelementary) > -mplayer > -sqlite3 > > http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2843962/intone-0.40.deb intone-0.40.deb > > @Marcel-2 - I'm not sure what you mean. I've made a deb package for > installing intone on a debian system. I hope the latest versions of > elementary are available for debian. This version needs the newer > libraries. That's the trick about it: There's no "official" elementary debian package yet and Mirko (?) told me some days ago on #openmoko that the python bindings aren't that good yet, either. (Correct my if I remember wrong) So the only choice is to build elm by hand since the new set of e17 packages which is in preparation at the moment (Joachim Breitner is working on them afaik, see pkg-e-devel mailinglist) doesn't contain elm yet. -- Marcel From rms at 1407.org Fri May 8 15:51:40 2009 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:51:40 +0100 Subject: Next cofundus OM competition idea In-Reply-To: <69a2e4550905080634m4f657fe4l72d8b086cf3b704a@mail.gmail.com> References: <69a2e4550905080634m4f657fe4l72d8b086cf3b704a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090508135140.GA5046@roque.1407.org> On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 07:04:10PM +0530, rakshat hooja wrote: > I was wondering if FR could function as a fax client so one could send text > and picture files directly to fax numbers and if there is any interest in > such an application. If there is some interest I will set this up as the > next OM software comp on cofundus. How about a telephony suite that actually works? :) As much as I despise (sorry folks, too slow and doesn't quite cut it) the qtopia suite, it's still the one that works best... Rui -- Keep the Lasagna flying! Today is Pungenday, the 55th day of Discord in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? From rms at 1407.org Fri May 8 15:52:44 2009 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:52:44 +0100 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <200905081534.40448.tanuva@gmail.com> References: <4A0428E4.9060804@internode.on.net> <200905081534.40448.tanuva@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090508135244.GB5046@roque.1407.org> On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 03:34:40PM +0200, Marcel wrote: > I'm sorry to contradict you (am I really?), but using Nazi slogans in such I call for the rule of Godwin's Law! Rui -- Frink! Today is Pungenday, the 55th day of Discord in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? From tanuva at googlemail.com Fri May 8 15:54:41 2009 From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:54:41 +0200 Subject: Next cofundus OM competition idea In-Reply-To: <20090508135140.GA5046@roque.1407.org> References: <69a2e4550905080634m4f657fe4l72d8b086cf3b704a@mail.gmail.com> <20090508135140.GA5046@roque.1407.org> Message-ID: <200905081554.41602.tanuva@gmail.com> Am Freitag, 8. Mai 2009 15:51:40 schrieb Rui Miguel Silva Seabra: > On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 07:04:10PM +0530, rakshat hooja wrote: > > I was wondering if FR could function as a fax client so one could > > send text and picture files directly to fax numbers and if there is > > any interest in such an application. If there is some interest I > > will set this up as the next OM software comp on cofundus. > > How about a telephony suite that actually works? :) Some hacking marathon for paroli could help. -- Marcel From liedekef at telenet.be Fri May 8 15:57:42 2009 From: liedekef at telenet.be (Franky Van Liedekerke) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:57:42 +0200 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <20090508135244.GB5046@roque.1407.org> References: <4A0428E4.9060804@internode.on.net> <200905081534.40448.tanuva@gmail.com> <20090508135244.GB5046@roque.1407.org> Message-ID: <60567dcc0905080657i6c148755n478fae4cfecd0317@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 03:34:40PM +0200, Marcel wrote: >> I'm sorry to contradict you (am I really?), but using Nazi slogans in such > > I call for the rule of Godwin's Law! > > Rui nice 1! Franky From risto at kurppa.fi Fri May 8 16:05:42 2009 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:05:42 +0300 Subject: Next cofundus OM competition idea In-Reply-To: <200905081554.41602.tanuva@gmail.com> References: <69a2e4550905080634m4f657fe4l72d8b086cf3b704a@mail.gmail.com> <20090508135140.GA5046@roque.1407.org> <200905081554.41602.tanuva@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Marcel wrote: > Am Freitag, 8. Mai 2009 15:51:40 schrieb Rui Miguel Silva Seabra: >> On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 07:04:10PM +0530, rakshat hooja wrote: >> > I was wondering if FR could function as a fax client so one could >> > send text and picture files directly to fax numbers and if there is >> > any interest in such an application. ?If there is some interest I >> > will set this up as the next OM software comp on cofundus. >> >> How about a telephony suite that actually works? :) > > Some hacking marathon for paroli could help. Absolutely! Someone could work on the paroli config and actually implement this stuff: http://www.paroli-project.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/settings_full.png r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From nytowl at openmoko.org Fri May 8 16:19:25 2009 From: nytowl at openmoko.org (Angus Ainslie) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 08:19:25 -0600 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> <1241701839.6888.258.camel@alap> Message-ID: <1241792365.6888.329.camel@alap> On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 10:16 +0100, Tom Yates wrote: > On Thu, 7 May 2009, Angus Ainslie wrote: > > > Please report them to https://docs.openmoko.org/trac and set the > > milestone to Om2009 > > happy to. i just went off to report my first (that the paroli call screen > often disappears during a call, making it hard to hang up) and saw on the > "new ticket" page (https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/wiki/NewTicket) the > statement "Never set Priority, Severity or Milestone - thats for the QA > team only!". > > should i follow your instructions, or theirs? if theirs, how would you > like these issues tagged? > When you enter the bug Please set the milestone, and even the severity or priority. I will however change any one of them as I see fit. I think that statement refers more to bug that are already in trac, I'll find out how to get it adjusted. > > This is fixed with the current unstable but some new issues have shown > > up. If you would like to test the fixes change the repo from testing to > > unstable. For now don't upgrade framework just "opkg install paroli". > > Once the issues with the framework are sorted there will be a new image. > > ok, thanks for that. i'll try to upgrade before logging any call-related > bugs. > > > I'm pretty sure I got my side of this fixed now ( again currently in > > unstable ). The current workaround is > > > > cp /etc/freesmartphone/oeventsd/paroli_rules.yaml > > /etc/freesmartphone/oeventsd/rules.yaml > > for the benefit of anyone reading the list archives, that seems to be > "/etc/freesmartphone/oevents/..." not ".../oeventsd/...", and it works for > me - holding down the power button for 10s and releasing it starts the > shutdown (within a few seconds). Yup that's a better path From nytowl at openmoko.org Fri May 8 16:21:34 2009 From: nytowl at openmoko.org (Angus Ainslie) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 08:21:34 -0600 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> <1241701839.6888.258.camel@alap> Message-ID: <1241792494.6888.331.camel@alap> On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 15:12 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > > Hi there! > > > > So updating paroli from testing should fix the tele crashing during > > calls. Can I just run > > http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/paroli_0.2.1+gitr22+83d262ab5c88dd32078e6e931850d69f3c1eca51-r18_armv4t.ipk > > or does it need some other packages from unstable too, as > > dependencies? > > Decided to give it a try and it installed with no problems so far.. > > r > Yeah it should not have any other dependencies. Glad it's working. There is a Kustomizer 2009 thread on one of the lists that will install a lot of the popular apps into Om2009. Angus From rakshat at gmail.com Fri May 8 16:23:31 2009 From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 19:53:31 +0530 Subject: Next cofundus OM competition idea In-Reply-To: <20090508135140.GA5046@roque.1407.org> References: <69a2e4550905080634m4f657fe4l72d8b086cf3b704a@mail.gmail.com> <20090508135140.GA5046@roque.1407.org> Message-ID: <69a2e4550905080723y8070ce3h17fcf68eab47711c@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 07:04:10PM +0530, rakshat hooja wrote: > > I was wondering if FR could function as a fax client so one could send > text > > and picture files directly to fax numbers and if there is any interest in > > such an application. If there is some interest I will set this up as the > > next OM software comp on cofundus. > > How about a telephony suite that actually works? :) I agree this is very important (though I am quite happy with SHR testing (16th april)- calls and sms and gprs for browsing work perfectly) I dont think a small cofundus project is an answer for this. SHR, OM 2009, QTEI, Android, FYP, Hackable 1 + some I am missing are all trying to get there. I still dont think we will have a fully functional telephoney stack before the 4th quarter of 2009. My idea is to have a large nummber of stable and interesting apps avaialble when stable telephony arrives on the FR. So I am looking at smaller projects - those that can be done in a month by one person. Rakshat > > > As much as I despise (sorry folks, too slow and doesn't quite cut it) the > qtopia suite, it's still the one that works best... > > Rui > > -- > Keep the Lasagna flying! > Today is Pungenday, the 55th day of Discord in the YOLD 3175 > + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown > + Whatever you do will be insignificant, > | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi > + So let's do it...? > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- -------------- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090508/3441b884/attachment.htm From rakshat at gmail.com Fri May 8 16:26:31 2009 From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 19:56:31 +0530 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: <1241792494.6888.331.camel@alap> References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> <1241701839.6888.258.camel@alap> <1241792494.6888.331.camel@alap> Message-ID: <69a2e4550905080726l6cfcee93u57c72efcfb1efe6a@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Angus Ainslie wrote: > On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 15:12 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > > > Hi there! > > > > > > So updating paroli from testing should fix the tele crashing during > > > calls. Can I just run > > > > http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/paroli_0.2.1+gitr22+83d262ab5c88dd32078e6e931850d69f3c1eca51-r18_armv4t.ipk > > > or does it need some other packages from unstable too, as > > > dependencies? > > > > Decided to give it a try and it installed with no problems so far.. > > > > r > > > > Yeah it should not have any other dependencies. Glad it's working. > > There is a Kustomizer 2009 thread on one of the lists that will install > a lot of the popular apps into Om2009. > > Angus > > > FYI Risto started Kustomizer and is the main author of Kustomizer 2009 so far so I am pretty sure he already knew this!!! Rakshat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090508/bada8d2f/attachment.htm From nytowl at openmoko.org Fri May 8 16:32:22 2009 From: nytowl at openmoko.org (Angus Ainslie) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 08:32:22 -0600 Subject: Om2009 testing Release 2 In-Reply-To: <69a2e4550905080726l6cfcee93u57c72efcfb1efe6a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1241208692.6888.174.camel@alap> <20090505194918.72654eb2@penguin.cz> <1241701839.6888.258.camel@alap> <1241792494.6888.331.camel@alap> <69a2e4550905080726l6cfcee93u57c72efcfb1efe6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241793142.6888.332.camel@alap> On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 19:56 +0530, rakshat hooja wrote: > > > > FYI Risto started Kustomizer and is the main author of Kustomizer 2009 > so far so I am pretty sure he already knew this!!! > > Rakshat I thought the name looked familiar, I guess I need more coffee :) Angus From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Fri May 8 16:41:15 2009 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:41:15 +0300 Subject: Next cofundus OM competition idea In-Reply-To: <69a2e4550905080723y8070ce3h17fcf68eab47711c@mail.gmail.com> (rakshat hooja's message of "Fri, 8 May 2009 19:53:31 +0530") References: <69a2e4550905080634m4f657fe4l72d8b086cf3b704a@mail.gmail.com> <20090508135140.GA5046@roque.1407.org> <69a2e4550905080723y8070ce3h17fcf68eab47711c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84iqkbslmc.fsf@sauna.l.org> rakshat hooja writes: > I agree this is very important (though I am quite happy with SHR testing > (16th april)- calls and sms and gprs for browsing work perfectly) I dont > think a small cofundus project is an answer for this. SHR, OM 2009, QTEI, Indeed, and many of the issues are in the GSM firmware which most won't have any access. From dscaini at gmail.com Fri May 8 16:46:54 2009 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 16:46:54 +0200 Subject: [shr-testing] kernel with working g_ether to Windoze connection? In-Reply-To: <18db98c80905080043s4b0e413ci560e1856019dcbcd@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090506152124.55736i7mc0th499g@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <20090506163842.139830w5nt0tfjsy@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <4A01BE3F.9010707@sapo.pt> <20090507103218.715772mvck1r93tu@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <18db98c80905070931j5403c7e7h76a396db1dcc61f6@mail.gmail.com> <20090507154709.0bc08ce2@j> <18db98c80905080043s4b0e413ci560e1856019dcbcd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18db98c80905080746v32f1bdc7kfce1fb7afd009807@mail.gmail.com> AFAIK this is a .28 mispelled... or at least is what uname -r answers (2.6.29-rc3)... anyway you've been very kind ;-) but i still don't have wifi working. f On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Davide Scaini wrote: > Thank you very much! I'm downloading it... i'll give feedback. > Thanks > d > > > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Joel Newkirk wrote: > >> On Thu, 7 May 2009 18:31:39 +0200 >> Davide Scaini wrote: >> >> > I am searching for a really olg 2.6.28 kernel... (and not a .28 >> > mispelled that in fact it's a .29...) where can i find it? (I'm >> > talking about something of the mid april...) >> > thanks >> > d >> > >> > Ps: wifi worked nicely on that, i just used >> > some /etc/network/interfaces files and getted eth0 up from >> > shr-setting panel... now it semms that with .29 kernels the interface >> > is not really "responding" and i get kernel panics when insisting on >> > ifup ifdown eth0 [sorry i can't be more precise since i haven't found >> > the point where it breaks] >> >> I stuffed the April 14th kernel and modules up on my server, you can >> pull them from >> >> http://newkirk.us/om/testing/uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr119785+2bea5c68313577b214b872b0edc5968db0cf3b68-r3.2-om-gta02.bin >> >> http://newkirk.us/om/testing/modules-2.6.28-oe1+gitr119785+2bea5c68313577b214b872b0edc5968db0cf3b68-r3.2-om-gta02.tgz >> >> I'll leave them there through the weekend if your or anyone wants them. >> >> j >> >> >> > 2009/5/7 Vasco N?voa >> > >> > > Thanks, Paul. >> > > I ended up upgrading from shr-testing to shr-unstable, and the >> > > problems are gone. >> > > So, the non-functional kernel+g_ether must have been: >> > > >> > > >> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0e5fe639e234cdeb11d8441f19c5b3109a8b6a17-r2-om-gta02.bin >> > > And the current working one is: >> > > >> > > >> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119805+f656a97d946a2529630c9770a72c10a24dc397f9-r3.4-om-gta02.bin >> > > >> > > I was just surprised to see the problem getting fixed and lost and >> > > refixed at least 2 times in a row. It feels like someone made a >> > > patch and it just doesn't stick - maybe it didn't make it upstream >> > > and sometimes it isn't appllied? I don't know the kernel source >> > > stream from vanilla down to SHR, so I'm talking out of my... >> > > imagination. ;) Anyway, I'm glad it is solved, and I hope it >> > > doesn't come back so easily again. >> > > >> > > Citando Paul Fertser : >> > > >> > > > Vasco Nevoa writes: >> > > >>> Why don't you just specify which kernel revision works and which >> > > >>> doesn't? How any kernel dev is supposed to solve your problems >> > > >>> if you even don't properly describe it? Why don't you use the >> > > >>> kernel that worked on your FR in the meantime? >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >> If I knew, I wouldn't have a problem, would I? :) >> > > > >> > > > At least you know the date (and the place you downloaded) the >> > > > kernel had no problems and the problematic revision you use now, >> > > > but you don't specify it. >> > > > >> > > > The kernel commit that finally fixed RNDIS issues was >> > > > f63e59c84aa21d2745f115209bf949eca27008b1 and it was added to >> > > > andy-tracking branch on Mar 16. I don't see anything related since >> > > > then. 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URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090508/617e068c/attachment.htm From cgagneraud at techworks.ie Fri May 8 16:48:09 2009 From: cgagneraud at techworks.ie (Christian Gagneraud) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 15:48:09 +0100 Subject: Intone (0.20 - alpha release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <1241767503619-2843962.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A02B315.7090104@techworks.ie> <1241692275662-2827184.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A02D359.2040208@techworks.ie> <1241767503619-2843962.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4A044629.7020105@techworks.ie> c_c wrote: > Hi, > > Christian Gagneraud wrote: >>> hum doesn't work with om 2009 > can you post the error? Simple, mplayer and other dependencies are not in the default feeds (http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing) As already stated, i managed to install everything by following "Kustomizer for OM2009" instructions (http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX) Chris > > Christian Gagneraud wrote: >>> Thank you for your work, it looks cute! > You're Welcome. > > @kimaidou - Here's the deb package. I haven't checked it on my phone (since > I don't have debian) and I haven't added any dependencies cause I don't know > what the packages are called. So can you tell me the full names of the > following packages on debian ? > -elementary (providing libelementary) > -mplayer > -sqlite3 > > http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2843962/intone-0.40.deb intone-0.40.deb > > @Marcel-2 - I'm not sure what you mean. I've made a deb package for > installing intone on a debian system. I hope the latest versions of > elementary are available for debian. This version needs the newer libraries. > > @Yorick Moko - You're using a distribution with the older libraries. The > newer libraries use names like 'libehal-ver-pre-01.so.0'. I'll release a ipk > for the older libraries soon. From antisol at internode.on.net Fri May 8 17:24:13 2009 From: antisol at internode.on.net (Dale Maggee) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 01:24:13 +1000 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <4A03A3F4.4010202@openmoko> References: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> <20090506132225.04d26093@blunt.home> <4A037716.308@internode.on.net> <4A038607.4020109@internode.on.net> <4A03A3F4.4010202@openmoko> Message-ID: <4A044E9D.3010805@internode.on.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Steve, I appreciate your replying to this thread. I would however point out that I believe that you should have already been aware of this issue before I raised it in this public mailing list: I sent three emails to Openmoko asking about getting a refund, and received no reply to any of them. I've pasted these emails below, after the "---BEGIN EMAIL THREAD---" Line. You were cc'd in two of these emails (the ones saying "I've had no reply"). I eventually got a response from Tony Tu on the trac ticket, at which point I stopped sending emails to you. As I've indicated, I've already gone through the process of requesting a refund for the device, and this was declined. I think you should be able to find all the info you need at https://support.openmoko.com/trac/ticket/36 I think that if you want to discuss the refund issue with me, it may be more appropriate to do so off-list, but I realise that I may have created a public image issue for you here (given my usage of the words "thieves" and "defrauded"), and that you may therefore want to keep this public. If you're willing to work with me to resolve my grievances and prove my assertions incorrect, then I'd be more than happy to come back here and retract my previous statements once it's resolved :). That might be more appropriate, rather than flooding the mailing list with what will effectively be back-and-forth personal conversations between you and me. but if you want to discuss it in this public place I have no problem with that either - up to you. Since having my application for a refund declined, I had come to kind of accept that I had "been screwed", and I have since bought another phone. Since I did that, I've (in my less angry moments) come to see the FR as a kind-of-cool little open-source device, as long as you don't want to use it as a phone. I haven't really done anything much with it, because so far I've been too angry to really even look at it, but I will admit that it does have potential for something, even if it's not as a reliable phone. (That's my whole point, by the way: That it's not a usable phone, even after a year of waiting, and I bought it because I wanted a working open source phone, and I was told that the FR would meet that requirement). I would therefore perhaps be open to accepting a partial refund and keeping the device as a PDA-sized linux device (The AU Laws allow for that), even if I never use it. But I think that if this were to happen I would maybe not feel cheated anymore and could possibly once again enjoy participating constructively in the community. I Look forward to hearing from you. Regards, - -Dale - ---BEGIN EMAIL THREAD--- Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: FreeRunner]] Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:19:34 +1100 From: Dale Maggee To: contact at openmoko.com, sean at openmoko.com, steve at openmoko.com Having received absolutely no response whatsoever after more than a week, even after opening a refund ticker in trac (#36), I resend my email once again... - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Fwd: FreeRunner] Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:25:12 +1100 From: Dale Maggee To: contact at openmoko.com CC: sean at openmoko.com, mickey at openmoko.org, steve at openmoko.com Having received no response whatsoever to my previous email, I'll send it again, and add a few more addresses. Hopefully I'll get a reply this time. Please see below. Regards, - -Dale - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: FreeRunner Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:35:41 +1100 From: Dale Maggee To: contact at openmoko.com Hi, Please advise what is the process for getting my money back for my Neo Freerunner. Before I purchased this device almost a year ago, I was told that it could reliably make and recieve phone calls, as per Steve's email below. This is not, nor has it ever been the case - The device has *never* reliably made or recieved phone calls, it's overall stability is completely sub-par, and the ASU software stack mentioned turned out to be even less reliable and also slower than the original 2007.2 software stack. I have listened to Openmoko's promises regarding solving the issues, and these promises have not been met, repeatedly. In addition to this, as far as I can see, Openmoko's emphasis does not appear to be on stability or being able to use the device reliably as a phone, you seem to be more interested in building new frameworks from the ground up than actually making the device do what I bought it to do. While I'll agree that FSO may *one day* provide a usefull framework, it is presently far away from this goal (*still* no PIM!). In addition, "a working phone that could be used as an everyday phone" has a suspend mode, will happily go for more than 4-6 hours without being attached to a battery charger, and will actually wake up from suspend mode when appropriate (i.e if somebody calls). Thus this device does not do what you have told me it would do, even nine months on. Don't bother trying to tell me that "the suspend problems are fixed in the .28 kernel", because months after hearing these claims there are *still* no distros available which use this kernel, making this point moot. I apologise for the curt tone of this email, but I have become increasingly frustrated and disconcerted with this device as time has gone on, I've repeatedly resisted the urge to post much more harshly-worded emails on the mailing lists, and I have now come to the conclusion that I have no option other than to purchase a new phone which will actually do what it's supposed to do. As such, I will have no use for the Freerunner, and according to the Australian Fair Trading laws, I am entitled to a refund under the Fair Trading Act 1999 if the goods I bought have a fault I could not have known about when I bought them, or do not do the job I was led to believe they would. The Freerunner clearly and demonstrably fits both of these criteria. As such, please advise how I should go about obtaining my refund. Regards, - -Dale Maggee On 29-Jun-2008, steve wrote: > The base software provided with the phone at launch will support > everyday use. > > 1. dialer. > 2. SMS. > 3. Contacts. > > That was the fundamental goal. Provde a working phone that could be > used as an everyday phone. > > In the background a whole new software suite is being created. ASU. > > So between launch ( right now) and sometime in August/september, developers > will have a > Phone that actually works like a phone. It's functionality will be basic. > Come this fall > The whole look and Feel will change. > > Steve > - ---END EMAIL THREAD--- Steve Mosher wrote: > Hi Dale. > > I got a note from the people who handle these issues. In looking > through our store records > we were unable to find any order from you at openmoko.com. That > doesn't mean > you haven't purchased a phone. If you could, provide me with the > details of your > purchase. Who you bought it from and when. Also, if you take the > battery out > you'll see a IMEI number and a serial number. That will help with > tracking as > well. So send those along as well. > > Best Regards > > Steve > > steve at openmoko.com > > Dale Maggee wrote: > Guten Tag, Sieg Heil. > > Seriously... You may not have heard of it, but There's a concept that's > been around for a while called "Free speech"... you know, as opposed to > "free beer". > > "Goebbels was in favour of free speech for views he liked. So was > Stalin. If you're really in favour of free speech, then you're in favour > of freedom of speech for precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, > you're not in favour of free speech." - Noam Chomsky > > I am contributing - contributing to Free Speech, and I'm doing my part > to warn prospective customers against giving their money to thieves. > > If you're not in favour of free speech then I have two words for you: > "Email filter". But I'm not going anywhere. > > > (Note: I know there are quite a few deutschlanders on this list, and my > use of your language is not intended in any way as a slight against your > people or country. On the contrary, I think that you're among the most > beautiful and intelligent people in the world, and your country reflects > that... :) ) > > > jeremy jozwik wrote: > >>>> seriously... go write the prime minister or something. if your not >>>> going to contribute your just wasting everyone else's time >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Dale Maggee wrote: >>>> arne anka wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>> Bitter much? : ) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> nope. he's just a troll. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> Before I bought My Neo, I was told by OM that it would work as a phone. >>>> >>>> Once I got it and said "WTF This doesn't work as a phone!" I was told by >>>> OM that 2008.8 would. So I waited. >>>> >>>> It was worse than 2007.2. I was told that 2008.12 would be much better. >>>> So I waited. >>>> >>>> Was there even any difference? Sure, the animations might have been a >>>> bit smoother, or something, but it still didn't work as a phone. >>>> >>>> When I asked for my money back I was told that it had been too long >>>> since I placed my order... despite the fact that the only reason I >>>> waited so long was that I trusted OM when they said that I would >>>> eventually get a working phone. >>>> >>>> >>>> I contacted Consumer Affairs here in AU. They told me that OM were >>>> legally bound by our laws (which include a clause giving me the right to >>>> demand a refund if the item doesn't do what I was led to believe it >>>> would do). They told me that according to the letter of the law, OM were >>>> required to give me a refund. They also told me that since they're based >>>> overseas, there's basically no way to enforce it. >>>> >>>> In short: OM Have Lied to me, then violated the consumer protection laws >>>> they're bound to by selling a Neo to an Australian Citizen by refusing >>>> to refund my money. That means that *OpenMoko Are THIEVES*. >>>> >>>> Anything I say about them is justified. IMO you can't be a troll if >>>> you're in the right. And I am. I have been defrauded of $400. And so >>>> have you. The only difference is that I'm not willing to sit around >>>> pretending that being raped is all fun and games. >>>> >>>> > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Openmoko community mailing list >>>> community at lists.openmoko.org >>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >>>> > >> _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKBE6cFbVnQRV3OEYRAhx5AJ4uuQGqO4Gq5m56AkrBGKLpeQ2TTgCcDMQJ TByyR6JfmBG5bLuxNYEiVI0= =0MRn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From giacomomariani at yahoo.it Fri May 8 17:34:59 2009 From: giacomomariani at yahoo.it (giacomo "giotti" mariani) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:34:59 +0200 Subject: nandwrite problem in writing uboot env (/dev/mtd2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A045123.4080302@yahoo.it> Hello list, some day ago I decided to change some uboot environment variable (ext2 fs in ext3 fs) from my OM2008.12 booted from the uSD. I started with: cat /dev/mtd2 > uboot_env.bin (the same as nanddump /dev/mtd2 uboot_env_dump.bin as diff confirmed). A edited it with vim and changed the 2 of ext2 into a 3, flashed it with nandwrite -p /dev/mtd2 uboot_env.bin.new but, on reboot, the mobile stopped at the uboot menu (it looked empty to it) and I noticed: root at om-gta02:~/ubootenv# ls -l -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 262144 Mar 26 00:09 uBoot_env.bin -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 262145 Mar 26 00:18 uBoot_env.bin.new so I edited with vim -b obtaining: root at om-gta02:~/ubootenv# ls -l -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 262144 Mar 26 00:09 uBoot_env.bin -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 262144 Mar 26 00:18 uBoot_env.bin.new but the same result at boot time. Using xxd and diff I obtained: --- uBoot_env.bin.new.xxd Thu Mar 26 00:40:13 2009 +++ uBoot_env.bin.xxd Thu Mar 26 00:40:00 2009 @@ -16,10 +16,10 @@ 00000f0: 3230 3030 3030 3000 626f 6f74 6465 6c61 2000000.bootdela 0000100: 793d 3100 6d65 6e75 5f31 3d42 6f6f 7420 y=1.menu_1=Boot 0000110: 6672 6f6d 206d 6963 726f 5344 2028 4641 from microSD (FA -0000120: 542b 6578 7433 293a 2073 6574 656e 7620 T+ext3): setenv +0000120: 542b 6578 7432 293a 2073 6574 656e 7620 T+ext2): setenv 0000130: 626f 6f74 6172 6773 2024 7b62 6f6f 7461 bootargs ${boota 0000140: 7267 735f 6261 7365 7d20 726f 6f74 6673 rgs_base} rootfs -0000150: 7479 7065 3d65 7874 3320 726f 6f74 3d2f type=ext3 root=/ +0000150: 7479 7065 3d65 7874 3220 726f 6f74 3d2f type=ext2 root=/ 0000160: 6465 762f 6d6d 6362 6c6b 3070 3220 726f dev/mmcblk0p2 ro 0000170: 6f74 6465 6c61 793d 3520 247b 6d74 6470 otdelay=5 ${mtdp 0000180: 6172 7473 7d20 726f 3b20 6d6d 6369 6e69 arts} ro; mmcini And flashing back the old env: nandwrite -p /dev/mtd2 uboot_env.bin it boot fine again. Where am I wrong? Thank you very much and excuse me for my bad english. -- /_\ The ASCII Per comunicare in modo riservato: \_/ Ribbon Campaign gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net \ X Against HTML --recv-keys 20611EAD /_\ Email! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Fri May 8 17:51:19 2009 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 18:51:19 +0300 Subject: nandwrite problem in writing uboot env (/dev/mtd2) In-Reply-To: <4A045123.4080302@yahoo.it> (giacomo mariani's message of "Fri, 08 May 2009 17:34:59 +0200") References: <4A045123.4080302@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <84eiuzsidk.fsf@sauna.l.org> "giacomo \"giotti\" mariani" writes: > Where am I wrong? There's a CRC checkum. Use fw_setenv instead of vim. From antisol at internode.on.net Fri May 8 18:12:47 2009 From: antisol at internode.on.net (Dale Maggee) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 02:12:47 +1000 Subject: It Ain't funny [Was: Ain't it funny..] In-Reply-To: <20090508135244.GB5046@roque.1407.org> References: <4A0428E4.9060804@internode.on.net> <200905081534.40448.tanuva@gmail.com> <20090508135244.GB5046@roque.1407.org> Message-ID: <4A0459FF.4030608@internode.on.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 03:34:40PM +0200, Marcel wrote: >> I'm sorry to contradict you (am I really?), but using Nazi slogans in such > > I call for the rule of Godwin's Law! > > Rui > I had never heard of Godwin's Law until now! :O http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law I was sitting here puzzling over Marcel's comment, which I didn't understand: "using this... deprecated language doesn't make me feel you really know what you're referencing there." This had me confused - I knew exactly what I meant! "Totalitarian". I was trying to figure out what he was saying, and/or politely say "I don't understand what you mean"... then I read this: "I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to Hitler or to Nazis to think a bit harder about the Holocaust" and I said to myself: "Oh, shit..." I have been very ignorant, and now realise that I have said something very inappropriate. And I humbly and sincerely apologise for that. I feel pretty bad about this, especially the part where I couldn't figure out what Marcel was trying to say. Now I understand. and I feel like a complete dick. Sorry. Generally when I hear the word "nazi" used, it means "totalitarian", not "monster" or "mass murderer" - think of the "soup nazi" in Seinfeld. That's what I meant. Not the other. *At All*. Sorry. The wiki page also says: when an adversary uses an inappropriate Hitler or Nazi comparison, "you have only to say 'Godwin's Law' and a trapdoor falls open, plunging your rival into a pool of hungry crocodiles." Oh Noes, not crocodiles! The wiki page fails to mention any possible exclusion from this horrible fate for cases of extreme ignorance followed by sincere repentance... is there any such exclusion, or are the crocs already gnawing at my stupid ass? Seriously, please accept my apologies for this. I have learned something today. Thank you for enlightening me. - -Dale -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKBFn/FbVnQRV3OEYRAtZKAKCUMaK3h6/h3h+9ky/xHoObRg5RJQCcClmG uI+eJe3qxhgy3sHyt/L5JkU= =dl+v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From antisol at internode.on.net Fri May 8 18:30:04 2009 From: antisol at internode.on.net (Dale Maggee) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 02:30:04 +1000 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <200905081534.40448.tanuva@gmail.com> References: <4A0428E4.9060804@internode.on.net> <200905081534.40448.tanuva@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A045E0C.2060709@internode.on.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Marcel wrote: > Am Freitag, 8. Mai 2009 14:43:16 schrieb Dale Maggee: >> arne anka wrote: >>>> Guten Tag, Sieg Heil. >>>> ... >>>> beautiful and intelligent people in the world, and your country >>>> reflects that... :) ) >>> wow. >>> insulting and slimy at once! >> I'd just like to say thanks for addressing the points I make in such a >> calm and rational manner. >> >> If you were capable of being rational, you would have realised that I >> was referencing a totalitarian state, not a race, and then clarifying >> that I am not attempting to insult a race of people and that it's >> unfortunate that using your particular language happens to be a very >> effective way to express that. I do genuinely feel an affinity to your >> people, culture, and country. >> >> If you think that my being honest is being "insulting and slimy", then >> whatever. I have already recieved one off-list email from a >> deutschlander who understood exactly what I was trying to say, so that >> indicates further to me that you're just being a fanboy and not >> thinking independently or even weighing my arguments - you see my >> posts, your mind closes, and you say "troll" like a reflex. And that's >> sad. >> >> If you would like to suggest a more appropriate way for me to have >> expressed what I wanted to, I would very much like to hear it. Note >> however that the sarcasm used in the greeting is important to my style, >> so any suggestion you might make would have to retain that. Also it >> would want to be short and effective. >> >> Alternatively, you're welcome to address the issues I'm raising. Or you >> could set up an email filter and consequently STFU. All are acceptable >> to me - I'm in favour of free speech. But true free speech requires >> rational dialogue, and I'm not seeing any rational dialogue from you. > > Dale, > > I'm sorry to contradict you (am I really?), but using Nazi slogans in such > an affair is completely inappropriate. You may like our country as much as > you want, still using this... deprecated language doesn't make me feel you > really know what you're referencing there. There are WAY better examples > for freedom of speech. This is no more rationale than you may think the > other's contributions to be. > > Yours sincerely, > > Marcel > Marcel, > I'm sorry to contradict you (am I really?) You shouldn't be. I was wrong, and said something inappropriate through ignorance. Contradicting me is perfectly fine when I'm wrong - I'll learn from it! :) > using this... deprecated language doesn't make me feel you > really know what you're referencing there. Exactly. I had no Idea. I had meant one thing, and completely failed to realise that I was also implying something far, far worse. Please accept my apologies. I would also ask you to read my response to Rui's message. Kind Regards, - -Dale -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKBF4MFbVnQRV3OEYRAqrSAKCaC51cep8DVrh+GdDndgnVbJHiIACgtXiD iUHCezfGlmimfbP70xMuMkM= =iyY7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nytowl at openmoko.org Fri May 8 19:50:21 2009 From: nytowl at openmoko.org (Angus Ainslie) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 11:50:21 -0600 Subject: Next cofundus OM competition idea In-Reply-To: References: <69a2e4550905080634m4f657fe4l72d8b086cf3b704a@mail.gmail.com> <20090508135140.GA5046@roque.1407.org> <200905081554.41602.tanuva@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241805021.6888.362.camel@alap> On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 17:05 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Marcel wrote: > > Am Freitag, 8. Mai 2009 15:51:40 schrieb Rui Miguel Silva Seabra: > >> On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 07:04:10PM +0530, rakshat hooja wrote: > >> > I was wondering if FR could function as a fax client so one could > >> > send text and picture files directly to fax numbers and if there is > >> > any interest in such an application. If there is some interest I > >> > will set this up as the next OM software comp on cofundus. > >> > >> How about a telephony suite that actually works? :) > > > > Some hacking marathon for paroli could help. > > Absolutely! Someone could work on the paroli config and actually > implement this stuff: > http://www.paroli-project.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/settings_full.png > Tell me what the bounty is and maybe we can get an image up today ;) Angus From giesbert at exactt.de Fri May 8 20:01:19 2009 From: giesbert at exactt.de (Max Giesbert) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 20:01:19 +0200 Subject: where to get qi from? wiki has conflicting information. and, why is 2009 not listed in distros? In-Reply-To: <4A01183B.9000902@openmoko.org> References: <4A00CFF5.7090407@openmoko.org> <2accc2ff0905051722n208ad8f8ncc7597c00a1e92a0@mail.gmail.com> <4A00E116.6090603@openmoko.org> <2accc2ff0905051803l6433fd4pbd95912d545fd775@mail.gmail.com> <4A00E3CD.5040304@openmoko.org> <2accc2ff0905052149q71cb8d8ehfcc342458c6929ba@mail.gmail.com> <4A01183B.9000902@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <4A04736F.3060501@exactt.de> actually i can't find any qi stuff in http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/experimental/NeoFreerunner/ at the moment.... Michael Shiloh schrieb: > Nelson Castillo wrote: >> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote: >>> Nelson Castillo wrote: >>>> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Michael Shiloh >>>> wrote: >>>>> I'm not looking for Qi, but I'm asking where should we tell people to >>>>> find >>>>> Qi. >>>> That is what I understood. >>>> >>>>> Will it always be there? Should I change both references on the wiki to >>>>> point at your directory? >>>> Not yet, let me coordinate first please. I'll update this thread soon. >> I just got the reply. The auto-builder puts Qi here: >> >> http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/experimental/NeoFreerunner/ >> >> Right now the latest is: >> >> http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/experimental/NeoFreerunner/qi-s3c2442-1.0.2+gitr237+c2a6b7ab3df7c1b68d47769f6e35733be1eaab58.udfu >> >> I think we should use this URI. "Never send a human to do a machine's job.". >> > > Thanks for doing the research. Care to update the wiki? It's late here > in CA and I'm ready to call it a day. > > M > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From tanuva at googlemail.com Fri May 8 20:02:19 2009 From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:02:19 +0200 Subject: It Ain't funny [Was: Ain't it funny..] In-Reply-To: <4A0459FF.4030608@internode.on.net> References: <20090508135244.GB5046@roque.1407.org> <4A0459FF.4030608@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <200905082002.19477.tanuva@gmail.com> Am Freitag, 8. Mai 2009 18:12:47 schrieb Dale Maggee: > Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 03:34:40PM +0200, Marcel wrote: > >> I'm sorry to contradict you (am I really?), but using Nazi slogans > >> in such > > > > I call for the rule of Godwin's Law! > > > > Rui > > I had never heard of Godwin's Law until now! :O > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law > > I was sitting here puzzling over Marcel's comment, which I didn't > understand: > > "using this... deprecated language doesn't make me feel you really know > what you're referencing there." > > This had me confused - I knew exactly what I meant! "Totalitarian". I > was trying to figure out what he was saying, and/or politely say "I > don't understand what you mean"... > > then I read this: > > "I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to Hitler or to Nazis > to think a bit harder about the Holocaust" > > and I said to myself: "Oh, shit..." > > I have been very ignorant, and now realise that I have said something > very inappropriate. And I humbly and sincerely apologise for that. > > I feel pretty bad about this, especially the part where I couldn't > figure out what Marcel was trying to say. Now I understand. and I feel > like a complete dick. Sorry. > > Generally when I hear the word "nazi" used, it means "totalitarian", > not "monster" or "mass murderer" - think of the "soup nazi" in > Seinfeld. That's what I meant. Not the other. *At All*. Sorry. > > The wiki page also says: > > when an adversary uses an inappropriate Hitler or Nazi comparison, "you > have only to say 'Godwin's Law' and a trapdoor falls open, plunging > your rival into a pool of hungry crocodiles." > > Oh Noes, not crocodiles! The wiki page fails to mention any possible > exclusion from this horrible fate for cases of extreme ignorance > followed by sincere repentance... is there any such exclusion, or are > the crocs already gnawing at my stupid ass? > > Seriously, please accept my apologies for this. I have learned > something today. Thank you for enlightening me. Accepted. -- Marcel From montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com Fri May 8 20:09:11 2009 From: montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com (Steven **) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:09:11 -0500 Subject: Next cofundus OM competition idea In-Reply-To: <69a2e4550905080723y8070ce3h17fcf68eab47711c@mail.gmail.com> References: <69a2e4550905080634m4f657fe4l72d8b086cf3b704a@mail.gmail.com> <20090508135140.GA5046@roque.1407.org> <69a2e4550905080723y8070ce3h17fcf68eab47711c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I would like a BT app (that works with FSO based distros). A GUI that allows you to find a headset and pair with it (preferably supporting A2DP), that allows you to send an receive files (I believe this is OBEX), etc. This is the feature I am currently missing most. -Steven On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:23 AM, rakshat hooja wrote: > My idea is to have a large nummber of stable and > interesting apps avaialble when stable telephony arrives on the FR. So I am > looking at smaller projects - those that can be done in a month by one > person. > > Rakshat From rakshat at gmail.com Fri May 8 20:13:36 2009 From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 23:43:36 +0530 Subject: Next cofundus OM competition idea In-Reply-To: References: <69a2e4550905080634m4f657fe4l72d8b086cf3b704a@mail.gmail.com> <20090508135140.GA5046@roque.1407.org> <69a2e4550905080723y8070ce3h17fcf68eab47711c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69a2e4550905081113l6e305fcevb2de3ec5917ffeb9@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Steven ** < montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com > > , that allows you to send an receive files (I believe this is > OBEX), etc. This is the feature I am currently missing most. > > -Steven Does copyu work for you to send files? Rakshat > > > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:23 AM, rakshat hooja wrote: > > My idea is to have a large nummber of stable and > > interesting apps avaialble when stable telephony arrives on the FR. So I > am > > looking at smaller projects - those that can be done in a month by one > > person. > > > > Rakshat > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- -------------- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090508/178eb605/attachment.htm From rask at sygehus.dk Fri May 8 20:24:40 2009 From: rask at sygehus.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:24:40 +0200 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <1241733532.19116.25.camel@daniel-laptop> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241733532.19116.25.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: <20090508182439.GG27350@sygehus.dk> On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 05:58:52AM +0800, Daniel.Li wrote: > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 08:53 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote: > > i use it all the time for editing the los angeles area. works great! > > it can get a bit noisy when walking though > > Yes, if you use GoogleMap. I just "walking into a river" :( > > But I didn't analysis the data yet. But how can I walk into the > river??? :) I believe it's what they call an urban canyon. When you have something tall - usually a building - which reflects the GPS signals on one side of you, you will appear to be in a different position than where you really are. Whatch your HDOP values - it's the third of the slash separated values shown by TangoGPS on the main screen. If it's as much as 4.5, the position shown can easily be 30 - 40 m off. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year From montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com Fri May 8 20:25:00 2009 From: montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com (Steven **) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:25:00 -0500 Subject: Next cofundus OM competition idea In-Reply-To: <69a2e4550905081113l6e305fcevb2de3ec5917ffeb9@mail.gmail.com> References: <69a2e4550905080634m4f657fe4l72d8b086cf3b704a@mail.gmail.com> <20090508135140.GA5046@roque.1407.org> <69a2e4550905080723y8070ce3h17fcf68eab47711c@mail.gmail.com> <69a2e4550905081113l6e305fcevb2de3ec5917ffeb9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 1:13 PM, rakshat hooja wrote: > > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Steven ** > >> >> , that allows you to send an receive files (I believe this is >> OBEX), etc. This is the feature I am currently missing most. >> >> -Steven > > Does copyu work for you to send files? > > Rakshat I don't know what that is. But I know it's not installed on my Neo. -Steven From antisol at internode.on.net Fri May 8 20:29:53 2009 From: antisol at internode.on.net (Dale Maggee) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 04:29:53 +1000 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A047A21.4090005@internode.on.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Get your facts straight... > he doesn't use an fr No, I don't use one, but I own one. That's the whole problem: I had to buy another phone, just to have a phone. > and he does in no way contribute http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool > -- what do you call > someone who lurks on a list he is in no way affiliated to Dunno. But that doesn't describe me. > and posts repeatedly meanings consisting of only "your point of interest is crap, > everything you are talking about is crap and if you don't share my point > of view you are idiots and nazis"? This is what Christoph is talking about with his scientology reference - my emails are saying things that are not favorable to OM, and you therefore dismiss them without even really reading them. My emails contain significant points which you have entirely failed to address. Instead you focus on my tone, call me a troll, and tell me to shut up and go away. To me it sounds like you're not interested in freedom of speech. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKBHogFbVnQRV3OEYRAna3AJ0VQW4hncP6W31XJg7N+wDGOmIKlwCeOh+L wDixe2oUe1ALeokWfyzK85I= =KHzR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From antisol at internode.on.net Fri May 8 20:32:38 2009 From: antisol at internode.on.net (Dale Maggee) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 04:32:38 +1000 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A047AC6.2060307@internode.on.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Christoph Pulster wrote: > IMO most misunderstandings happen because marketing of the Freerunner > was focused on "mobile phone". So customers expect a mobile phone to use > as a mobile phone. However Freerunner is a multi-purpose developement > plattform with GSM functionality among many other functionalities. Exactly. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKBHrGFbVnQRV3OEYRAu3WAJ44Rmh+zoBielVKEkBWkzgQEuZ2NwCdHfSg /zHYEEJ6KHRatvcK4q0EzbU= =J9CR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Fri May 8 20:33:20 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 11:33:20 -0700 Subject: Next cofundus OM competition idea In-Reply-To: <69a2e4550905081113l6e305fcevb2de3ec5917ffeb9@mail.gmail.com> References: <69a2e4550905080634m4f657fe4l72d8b086cf3b704a@mail.gmail.com> <20090508135140.GA5046@roque.1407.org> <69a2e4550905080723y8070ce3h17fcf68eab47711c@mail.gmail.com> <69a2e4550905081113l6e305fcevb2de3ec5917ffeb9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: copyu failed for me on shr-testing 20090422. bluetooth was enabled but ive just found that you need to manually start the bluetooth through the terminal on other distributions. im going to try later this week again On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:13 AM, rakshat hooja wrote: > > > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Steven ** > >> >> , that allows you to send an receive files (I believe this is >> OBEX), etc. This is the feature I am currently missing most. >> >> -Steven > > Does copyu work for you to send files? > > Rakshat > >> >> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:23 AM, rakshat hooja wrote: >> > My idea is to have a large nummber of stable and >> > interesting apps avaialble when stable telephony arrives on the FR. So I >> > am >> > looking at smaller projects - those that can be done in a month by one >> > person. >> > >> > Rakshat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > -- > -------------- > Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is > also a very feature rich browser. > www.firefox.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > From rask at sygehus.dk Fri May 8 21:07:53 2009 From: rask at sygehus.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:07:53 +0200 Subject: Mokomaze as non-root In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090508190753.GH27350@sygehus.dk> On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 10:59:20PM -0500, The Digital Pioneer wrote: > Not sure what all issues you're experiencing, but the accelerometers are > probably root:root access only (they are on mine, SHR-unstable), if that's > your problem. You can probably chmod them manually, but I'm sure you can mod > some conf somewhere to change it. Not sure what... Comparing SHR unstable (from about 3 weeks ago) /etc/udev/rules.d/permissions.rules # input devices KERNEL=="event[0-9]*", ATTRS{name}=="*dvb*|*DVB*|* IR *" \ MODE="0664", GROUP="video" KERNEL=="js[0-9]*", MODE="0664" KERNEL=="lirc[0-9]*", GROUP="video" with Debian /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules # input devices KERNEL=="event[0-9]*", ATTRS{name}=="*dvb*|*DVB*|* IR *" \ MODE="0664", GROUP="video" KERNEL=="js[0-9]*", MODE="0664" KERNEL=="event[0-9]*", ENV{ID_CLASS}=="joystick", \ MODE="0664", GROUP="audio" KERNEL=="lirc[0-9]*", GROUP="video" there's a difference in the input device section and indeed I have some input devices with group audio and read permission for everybody: # ls -l /dev/input/ total 0 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 64 May 5 11:39 event0 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 65 May 5 11:39 event1 crw-rw-r-- 1 root audio 13, 66 May 5 11:39 event2 crw-rw-r-- 1 root audio 13, 67 May 5 11:39 event3 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 68 May 5 11:39 event4 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 63 May 5 11:39 mice -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year From rask at sygehus.dk Fri May 8 21:14:02 2009 From: rask at sygehus.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:14:02 +0200 Subject: nandwrite problem in writing uboot env (/dev/mtd2) In-Reply-To: <4A045123.4080302@yahoo.it> References: <4A045123.4080302@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <20090508191401.GI27350@sygehus.dk> On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 05:34:59PM +0200, giacomo giotti mariani wrote: [snip] > Where am I wrong? You're not using uboot-envedit from the fso-utils package. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year From kimaidou at gmail.com Fri May 8 21:19:32 2009 From: kimaidou at gmail.com (kimaidou) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:19:32 +0200 Subject: Next cofundus OM competition idea In-Reply-To: References: <69a2e4550905080634m4f657fe4l72d8b086cf3b704a@mail.gmail.com> <20090508135140.GA5046@roque.1407.org> <69a2e4550905080723y8070ce3h17fcf68eab47711c@mail.gmail.com> <69a2e4550905081113l6e305fcevb2de3ec5917ffeb9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <40cd9ce40905081219p31aae214j7e6ea3a8f5c3079a@mail.gmail.com> +1000 for having gui for easily pair to a Bt headset AND route the sound. This app is really missing, as a BT headset is the only way to avoid the anoying Buzzzzz without make surgery on my freerunner Pleaaasse ! :D 2009/5/8 jeremy jozwik > copyu failed for me on shr-testing 20090422. bluetooth was enabled but > ive just found that you need to manually start the bluetooth through > the terminal on other distributions. > im going to try later this week again > > On Fri, May 8, 2009a at 11:13 AM, rakshat hooja > wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Steven ** > > > > > >> > >> , that allows you to send an receive files (I believe this is > >> OBEX), etc. This is the feature I am currently missing most. > >> > >> -Steven > > > > Does copyu work for you to send files? > > > > Rakshat > > > >> > >> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:23 AM, rakshat hooja > wrote: > >> > My idea is to have a large nummber of stable and > >> > interesting apps avaialble when stable telephony arrives on the FR. So > I > >> > am > >> > looking at smaller projects - those that can be done in a month by one > >> > person. > >> > > >> > Rakshat > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Openmoko community mailing list > >> community at lists.openmoko.org > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > -- > > -------------- > > Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and > is > > also a very feature rich browser. > > www.firefox.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090508/b866cd1e/attachment.htm From openmoko at coralbark.net Fri May 8 21:46:26 2009 From: openmoko at coralbark.net (Jon Levell) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 20:46:26 +0100 Subject: Debuzzing In-Reply-To: <80EACD4B-86F6-4C1C-BEF2-4D1CC0B9E3A3@computer.org> References: <4A03E4B6.9090307@djdas.net> <80EACD4B-86F6-4C1C-BEF2-4D1CC0B9E3A3@computer.org> Message-ID: <4A048C12.3050103@coralbark.net> Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > expenses. The rework itself is essentially for free and Openmoko > provides an additional free battery to make good your efforts and the > time you don't have the Freerunner to use. I've tried to order this but when I try and pay via a credit card, I get a blank screen. I see that it warns about pop-up blockers on the page but I've even tried using IE6 (under Wine) and I still get the blank screen. Is the payment processing broken at the moment? Jon. From shawn.t.rutledge at gmail.com Fri May 8 21:59:43 2009 From: shawn.t.rutledge at gmail.com (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 12:59:43 -0700 Subject: It Ain't funny [Was: Ain't it funny..] In-Reply-To: <4A0459FF.4030608@internode.on.net> References: <4A0428E4.9060804@internode.on.net> <200905081534.40448.tanuva@gmail.com> <20090508135244.GB5046@roque.1407.org> <4A0459FF.4030608@internode.on.net> Message-ID: On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Dale Maggee wrote: > Generally when I hear the word "nazi" used, it means "totalitarian", not > "monster" or "mass murderer" - think of the "soup nazi" in Seinfeld. > That's what I meant. Not the other. *At All*. Sorry. That just goes to show the meaning has gotten diluted from overuse, doesn't it. From arhuaco at freaks-unidos.net Fri May 8 22:43:01 2009 From: arhuaco at freaks-unidos.net (Nelson Castillo) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:43:01 -0500 Subject: where to get qi from? wiki has conflicting information. and, why is 2009 not listed in distros? In-Reply-To: <4A04736F.3060501@exactt.de> References: <4A00CFF5.7090407@openmoko.org> <2accc2ff0905051722n208ad8f8ncc7597c00a1e92a0@mail.gmail.com> <4A00E116.6090603@openmoko.org> <2accc2ff0905051803l6433fd4pbd95912d545fd775@mail.gmail.com> <4A00E3CD.5040304@openmoko.org> <2accc2ff0905052149q71cb8d8ehfcc342458c6929ba@mail.gmail.com> <4A01183B.9000902@openmoko.org> <4A04736F.3060501@exactt.de> Message-ID: <2accc2ff0905081343k9337277jc9f3ecf8d3a10e46@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Max Giesbert wrote: > actually i can't find any qi stuff in > http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/experimental/NeoFreerunner/ at the > moment.... I was told the build scripts should fill the directory... From gronslet at gmail.com Fri May 8 22:46:15 2009 From: gronslet at gmail.com (MartinG) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 22:46:15 +0200 Subject: Freerunner as a wireless streamplayer? In-Reply-To: <200904191345.17738.david@garabana.com> References: <200904191345.17738.david@garabana.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 1:45 PM, David Garabana Barro wrote: > O Domingo, 19 de Abril de 2009, MartinG escribiu: >> Is it possible to download an image, simply reflash the phone, connect >> to my wlan, and opkg/ipkg install a player that is able play streams >> from my local server? > > With shr you will be able to connect to your wlan with no extra software with > mofi. Don't forget to turn on wifi on "SHR-Settings" before opening mofi > Debian will be sightly more complex. > > You can download any of the mplayer frontends from www.opkg.org. Thanks for your feedback - I've (finally) installed SHR testing now. Looks quite nice, and was easy to reflash :). I've only tested it for half a day (and managed to crash/hardlock the thing several times already :/, but hey, maybe the best Freerunner software I've seen wrt look and feel). I managed to get Mofi working to connect to my wlan (WPA-PSK+AES). But, after suspend/resume, I'm not sure however how to get online again (over wlan). Maybe a know issue? (It seems I'm not able to enable wlan again in the settings) As for mplayer - are there any known to work mplayer frontends (or any other *player frontends) for SHR? I managed to get pythm work, but am not sure how to make it load files over the LAN. As a sidenote; I am not able to boot the device when USB is connected. Is this a know "bug"? Are there any known workarounds? -MartinG From openmoko at coralbark.net Fri May 8 23:21:50 2009 From: openmoko at coralbark.net (Jon Levell) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 22:21:50 +0100 Subject: Finger friendly keyboards Message-ID: <4A04A26E.6040205@coralbark.net> Hi, So far on my FR, I've mostly been typing non-dictionary words so the predictive keyboard has been getting in my way. I knew a few people had created finger friendly keyboards so I had a bit of a play. Firstly I tried EasyTouch_SHR: http://www.opkg.org/package_174.html But like many of the commenters on that page, it didn't work for me, first it altered my theme but also (as I didn't remove my other keyboards I suspect), all the keys on the keyboards overlapped each other. Then I tried Michal Brzozowski's keyboard: http://markmail.org/message/ufdue7qhlfjwabkn but I didn't like the design decision to design it around flexing the case. I started to create my own (which I may still do) but found if I just used the keyboard files from the EasyTouch_SHR it worked basically as I wanted. I just put the keyboard files (.kbd) from and the package into /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards (and moved the Default and Numbers keyboards to a backup directory). It's work very nicely on a recent SHR-Testing - maybe the keyboard files could be hosted separately or even better a minimal package could be made that just automated that. Has anyone else tried this? Jon. From onen.om at free.fr Fri May 8 23:22:28 2009 From: onen.om at free.fr (Onen) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 23:22:28 +0200 Subject: [openBmap] Release 0.3.0 Message-ID: <4A04A294.8030600@free.fr> Hello everyone! Here is the new release of the openBmap[1] GSM/GPS logger to build a free database of GSM coverage. Highlights: For the project: * We have a twitter feed[2]. It gets updated every time uploaded logs start getting processed. For the software: * Beta Neighbour cells log now stable and activated! We are still evaluating how to use it for map generation. Neighbours cells are not taken into account for statistics on main Webpage right now. * Log files are now much bigger, you should have less files to upload. * If logs in memory when exiting, they will be written to disk. * Ignore neighbour cell if lac, cid or rxlev is 0. * GUI now says: GPS is active, and waiting for 3D fix. * Fix: GPS time in log is now based on GPS data. Was using the local time of the phone. * When MCC changes, write logs to file. This means, a log file, only contains data related to a same MCC, that is to say, to one country. * Details in CHANGELOG. As usual thanks to Stefan and mrmoku for putting it into FSO and SHR feeds. ipk package available at sourceforge and opkg.org[3]. If anybody is interested in building a package for debian, please contact me! Comments, feedback, as usual are more than welcome. Onen [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenBmap [2] http://twitter.com/openBmap/ [3] http://www.opkg.org/package_186.html From lida_mail at 163.com Fri May 8 23:39:04 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 05:39:04 +0800 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <4A041B97.6090101@hist.no> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070852n2466cc9fo9fd7c4c5f162ca4b@mail.gmail.com> <4A03196C.8000903@cmartins.nl> <4A041B97.6090101@hist.no> Message-ID: <1241818744.401.7.camel@daniel-laptop> On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 13:46 +0200, Helge Hafting wrote: > > Essentially I'm trying to understand how burdensome (or not) it can > > become for a simple sightseeing to also do tracking. > > OSM mapping isn't complicated. You decide how much time you want to > spend on it. You can draw just roads, roads with names, or even add > all > sorts of features like mailboxes, housenumbers, parks, parking > lots... That's great! > If drawing road lines becomes too much of a burden for you, just > upload > the traces to osm and hope that someone else will use them for > drawing. > A problem with this approach is that others won't know how the track > was > recorded, so they might make a wrong road where you crossed a lawn > and > things like that. Agree. Other can use these track just as reference. I hope I can upload those tracks myself when I have more time. It's fun. > > Helge Hafting -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From vfebvre at easter-eggs.com Fri May 8 23:40:23 2009 From: vfebvre at easter-eggs.com (Valery Febvre) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 23:40:23 +0200 Subject: [SHR] Podboy (0.0.1 - pre-alpha release) In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770905080110l25b3f95emaba6ef8ba305c247@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A02C3BF.6070407@easter-eggs.com> <2f3aa2770905080110l25b3f95emaba6ef8ba305c247@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A04A6C7.90102@easter-eggs.com> Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/5/7 Valery Febvre : >> Podboy is a podcast aggregator/player written in Python/Elementary. >> >> >> http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/816/podboy_0.0.1-r0_all.ipk > > great stuff, trying it out now > > will you be hosting it in a repository of your own, or perhaps on opkg.org ? Yes, certainly opkg.org -- Val?ry From apm at bigendian.dk Fri May 8 23:42:20 2009 From: apm at bigendian.dk (Peter Mogensen) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 23:42:20 +0200 Subject: Finger friendly keyboards In-Reply-To: <4A04A26E.6040205@coralbark.net> References: <4A04A26E.6040205@coralbark.net> Message-ID: <4A04A73C.4000405@bigendian.dk> Jon Levell wrote: >
Hi, > > So far on my FR, I've mostly been typing non-dictionary words so the > predictive keyboard has been getting in my way. Me too... Actually... I think I have only one finger friendly solution which will remedy that. What I wish for is a large transparent fullscreen keyboard which is activated by a short press on AUX. (long press => some menu) Combine this with auto-rotation and writing an SMS will just be turning you Neo and pressing AUX. You'll have large keys, to easily hit and you'll be able to see the text you write through the keyboard overlay. /Peter From openmoko at jespervestergaard.dk Fri May 8 23:15:51 2009 From: openmoko at jespervestergaard.dk (Jesper Vestergaard) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 23:15:51 +0200 Subject: Version 0.4 of MokoGeocaching released Message-ID: <4A04A107.5000003@jespervestergaard.dk> This is a litle gtk python script that searches the geocaching.com site for caches near your current position or a user specified lattitude and longitude and add the cache as a poi in tangogps. This is version 0.4 and the code is still not pretty but quite usable. The package can be found here http://www.opkg.org/package_141.html Warning: I have only tested it on shr unstable The script can now: - get gps location from phone - user can manually set location - user can specify range - script can download matching geocaches and add as poi - read geocaching.com username and password from configuration file - threaded gtk and downloading - but unfortunately not searching - unicode support - gui input for username and password - user can specify whether he wants to download already found caches or skip them and whether he wants to download just caches of a specific type - hints are downloaded and user can specify if hints will be displayed encoded or decoded - coordversion is added. It's a tool to convert coordinates in their different presentations (see below) Future plans: code commenting and sanitizing threaded search Coordversion: You can convert coordinates from one presentation into the two others by entering the given coordinates into the matching row and press the ">" at the end of the line. The other fields will be updated or the status field will display an error. The three presentations are: row - presentation - example ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- first row - decimal degree - 52.12346 013.98765 second row - degree, decimal minutes - 52 7.4076 13 59.259 third row - degree, minutes, decimal seconds - 52 7 24 11 179 15 You can add the coordinate you just converted as poi into tangogps. Therefore you can specify a name (which will be the title of the poi) and click on "add as poi". ATTENTION: It will always be added the point which is currently in the FIRST ROW (decimal degree field). In the two fields below you can enter bearing values in degree and kilometers. By clicking the ">" button in the same row the program will calculate the new coordinates to the given coordinates (again taken from the first row) the angle and the distance and display them in the fields below. From there you can move the new coordinates up again by clicking "^" to keep converting them into other presentations or add them as a poi. Example: You are on a geocaching Trip and on one stage you get the coordinates 52 30.87294, 013 21.003738 and are told to go 150 meters in 45??. You would enter the coordinates into the second row and press the ">" button next to it to get the decimal degree presentation into the first row (52.514549, 13.3500623). Then you would enter 45 and 0.15 in the bearing fields and hit ">". The new coordinates are displayed below. By pressing "^" you bring the new coordinates up again. Now you can, for example, add a nice name like "Stage 2 on my multi" and press "add as poi". The new poi should now be visible in tangogps. Installation: install python-sqlite3 python-pygtk python-pygtk python-netclient python-mime run mokogeocaching.py or use the mokogeocaching icon located in the launcher. Mokogeocaching works best with tangogps 0.9.6 because of a bug in 0.9.5 where tangogps crashes if a poi i larger than 1500 charaters. From lida_mail at 163.com Fri May 8 23:43:09 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 05:43:09 +0800 Subject: How to use Google Map on tangoGPS In-Reply-To: <20090508182439.GG27350@sygehus.dk> References: <1241699389.4472.1.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070610r10c2268ay5d5732fadab66333@mail.gmail.com> <1241705980.11347.13.camel@daniel-laptop> <958244340905070738h7b753cf7g2404232a07b648ed@mail.gmail.com> <1241711026.19116.17.camel@daniel-laptop> <1241733532.19116.25.camel@daniel-laptop> <20090508182439.GG27350@sygehus.dk> Message-ID: <1241818990.401.10.camel@daniel-laptop> On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 20:24 +0200, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote: > On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 05:58:52AM +0800, Daniel.Li wrote: > > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 08:53 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote: > > > i use it all the time for editing the los angeles area. works great! > > > it can get a bit noisy when walking though > > > > Yes, if you use GoogleMap. I just "walking into a river" :( > > > > But I didn't analysis the data yet. But how can I walk into the > > river??? :) > > I believe it's what they call an urban canyon. When you have something > tall - usually a building - which reflects the GPS signals on one side of > you, you will appear to be in a different position than where you really > are. Whatch your HDOP values - it's the third of the slash separated values > shown by TangoGPS on the main screen. If it's as much as 4.5, the position > shown can easily be 30 - 40 m off. Thanks for the info. Very great to know more about GPS, not just track where you have been, also how to use GPS accurately. :) > -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From rask at sygehus.dk Fri May 8 23:46:18 2009 From: rask at sygehus.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 23:46:18 +0200 Subject: [SHR-Unstable] Forcing fast-charge In-Reply-To: <200905070042.43396.joerg@openmoko.org> References: <1240063519.4045.2.camel@toaster-desktop> <200905020330.17602.joerg@openmoko.org> <20090503211538.GZ27350@sygehus.dk> <200905070042.43396.joerg@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <20090508214613.GK27350@sygehus.dk> On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 12:42:42AM +0200, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > So taking in account your comments above this means the problem case > is "intentionally shutting down the device during charging from solarpanel". > 1) I don't see why anybody should do this To save energy for later. > 2) this should be handled during shutdown, rather than all the time by syncing > BAT_CURLIM with USB_CURLIM. I'll give it a try. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year From vfebvre at easter-eggs.com Fri May 8 23:46:49 2009 From: vfebvre at easter-eggs.com (Valery Febvre) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 23:46:49 +0200 Subject: [SHR] Podboy (0.0.1 - pre-alpha release) In-Reply-To: References: <4A02C3BF.6070407@easter-eggs.com> Message-ID: <4A04A849.1030604@easter-eggs.com> Marco Trevisan (Trevi?o) wrote: > Valery Febvre wrote: >> Podboy is a podcast aggregator/player written in Python/Elementary. >> >> Its interface aims to be easy and finger friendly. > > I've just seen the screenshots but the interface is very cool. > Compliments ;) Thx >> It uses Feedparser Python module for download/parsing of podcast feeds, > > I've not tried it, so I'm only figuring this, but not to block the > interface you could use the ecore_con (ecore_file_download) functions to > retrieve the data. Are you sure that ecore_file has a Python bindings available? >> Gstreamer for playing of episodes and SQLite for storing data. > > Is it gstreamer better than mplayer (from the performance point of view)? > No. -- Val?ry From joerg at openmoko.org Sat May 9 00:31:02 2009 From: joerg at openmoko.org (Joerg Reisenweber) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 00:31:02 +0200 Subject: DON'T PANIC Message-ID: <200905090031.02937.joerg@openmoko.org> DON'T PANIC uBoot splashscreen http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/bootsplash -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 25883 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090509/893c7ef1/attachment.png -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090509/893c7ef1/attachment.pgp From unachievable at gmail.com Sat May 9 00:43:00 2009 From: unachievable at gmail.com (ivvmm) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 02:43:00 +0400 Subject: [SHR] I18N In-Reply-To: <42928.195.141.111.127.1241767717.squirrel@mail.puzzle.ch> References: <42928.195.141.111.127.1241767717.squirrel@mail.puzzle.ch> Message-ID: <4A04B574.2050706@gmail.com> hersche at puzzle.ch wrote: > hello all, > > i just want to make my shr-installation german.. i installed diffrent > packages to make that: > > tangogps-locale-de locale-base-de-ch claws-mail-locale-de > gpe-calendar-locale-de > > glibc-binary-localedata-de-ch > > shr-settings-locale-de > > libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2-locale-de > libframeworkd-phonegui-efl-locale-de > > but there isn't anything german. so, is anywhere a config-file with which > make's possible to change? > > i also search the enlightement-de-package.. in one installation, it was > possible to select german as language, which package should be used for > this? > > hope for help :) > > greets > > > Like in every normal GNU/Linux distribution create an executable sh script in /etc/profile.d/ (better to name it lang.sh) where put lines #!/bin/sh export LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 do not forget to make it executable. /etc/profile is responsible for launching that script. good luck -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 835 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090509/b5664dfa/attachment.pgp From david at tuxbrain.com Sat May 9 00:44:32 2009 From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 00:44:32 +0200 Subject: DON'T PANIC In-Reply-To: <200905090031.02937.joerg@openmoko.org> References: <200905090031.02937.joerg@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <5c6ceea80905081544k2907a4abnb998761fea767ee@mail.gmail.com> LOL It's a pitty Qi doesn't has bootsplash It really fits 2009/5/9 Joerg Reisenweber : > DON'T PANIC > uBoot splashscreen > > http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/bootsplash > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! From pander at users.sourceforge.net Sat May 9 00:52:01 2009 From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 00:52:01 +0200 Subject: DON'T PANIC In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80905081544k2907a4abnb998761fea767ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <200905090031.02937.joerg@openmoko.org> <5c6ceea80905081544k2907a4abnb998761fea767ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A04B791.8090004@users.sourceforge.net> David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: > LOL > It's a pitty Qi doesn't has bootsplash It really fits +1 > > 2009/5/9 Joerg Reisenweber : >> DON'T PANIC >> uBoot splashscreen >> >> http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/bootsplash >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > > > From joerg at openmoko.org Sat May 9 01:17:27 2009 From: joerg at openmoko.org (Joerg Reisenweber) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 01:17:27 +0200 Subject: [SHR] Re: DON'T PANIC In-Reply-To: <200905090031.02937.joerg@openmoko.org> References: <200905090031.02937.joerg@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <200905090117.33015.joerg@openmoko.org> Am Sa 9. Mai 2009 schrieb Joerg Reisenweber: > DON'T PANIC > uBoot splashscreen > > http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/bootsplash > btw this is obviously complemetary to http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=blob;f=openembedded/recipes/shr/shr-splash-theme-dontpanic_git.bb;h=b834874c02312ca571157ba664c438e7a79ab61b;hb=26908b589b17b8a5c11e66a1451bd58c6f45baeb Together this should make for a smooth splashscreen experience under SHR /j For the record: idea DocScrutinizer (jOERG), artwork Dos1 (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090509/1d7da9fc/attachment.pgp From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Sat May 9 01:48:33 2009 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 02:48:33 +0300 Subject: nandwrite problem in writing uboot env (/dev/mtd2) In-Reply-To: <20090508191401.GI27350@sygehus.dk> (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen's message of "Fri, 8 May 2009 21:14:02 +0200") References: <4A045123.4080302@yahoo.it> <20090508191401.GI27350@sygehus.dk> Message-ID: <84ws8rqhpq.fsf@sauna.l.org> Rask Ingemann Lambertsen writes: > You're not using uboot-envedit from the fso-utils package. uboot-envedit is horribly slow. fw_setenv is in debian main and works faster. From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Sat May 9 01:50:10 2009 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 02:50:10 +0300 Subject: Next cofundus OM competition idea In-Reply-To: <40cd9ce40905081219p31aae214j7e6ea3a8f5c3079a@mail.gmail.com> (kimaidou@gmail.com's message of "Fri, 8 May 2009 21:19:32 +0200") References: <69a2e4550905080634m4f657fe4l72d8b086cf3b704a@mail.gmail.com> <20090508135140.GA5046@roque.1407.org> <69a2e4550905080723y8070ce3h17fcf68eab47711c@mail.gmail.com> <69a2e4550905081113l6e305fcevb2de3ec5917ffeb9@mail.gmail.com> <40cd9ce40905081219p31aae214j7e6ea3a8f5c3079a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84skjfqhn1.fsf@sauna.l.org> kimaidou writes: > +1000 for having gui for easily pair to a Bt headset AND route the sound. > This app is really missing, as a BT headset is the only way to avoid the > anoying Buzzzzz without make surgery on my freerunner How about just starting by writing down a list of headsets that work with freerunner so that people know what to buy? From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Sat May 9 01:50:27 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 16:50:27 -0700 Subject: Intone (0.20 - alpha release) Elementary based mplayer frontend In-Reply-To: <4A044629.7020105@techworks.ie> References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A02B315.7090104@techworks.ie> <1241692275662-2827184.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A02D359.2040208@techworks.ie> <1241767503619-2843962.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A044629.7020105@techworks.ie> Message-ID: is there anything you can do about the audio cutting in and out with opening applications or while the device is going into auto-dimming while playing? On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Christian Gagneraud wrote: > c_c wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Christian Gagneraud wrote: >>>> hum doesn't work with om 2009 >> can you post the error? > > Simple, mplayer and other dependencies are not in the default feeds > (http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing) > > As already stated, i managed to install everything by following > "Kustomizer for OM2009" instructions (http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX) > > Chris > >> >> Christian Gagneraud wrote: >>>> Thank you for your work, it looks cute! >> You're Welcome. >> >> @kimaidou - Here's the deb package. I haven't checked it on my phone (since >> I don't have debian) and I haven't added any dependencies cause I don't know >> what the packages are called. So can you tell me the full names of the >> following packages on debian ? >> -elementary (providing libelementary) >> -mplayer >> -sqlite3 >> >> http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2843962/intone-0.40.deb intone-0.40.deb >> >> @Marcel-2 - I'm not sure what you mean. I've made a deb package for >> installing intone on a debian system. I hope the latest versions of >> elementary are available for debian. This version needs the newer libraries. >> >> @Yorick Moko - You're using a distribution with the older libraries. The >> newer libraries use names like 'libehal-ver-pre-01.so.0'. I'll release a ipk >> for the older libraries soon. > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Sat May 9 01:51:56 2009 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 02:51:56 +0300 Subject: Finger friendly keyboards In-Reply-To: <4A04A73C.4000405@bigendian.dk> (Peter Mogensen's message of "Fri, 08 May 2009 23:42:20 +0200") References: <4A04A26E.6040205@coralbark.net> <4A04A73C.4000405@bigendian.dk> Message-ID: <84ocu3qhk3.fsf@sauna.l.org> Peter Mogensen writes: > Actually... I think I have only one finger friendly solution which will > remedy that. What I wish for is a large transparent fullscreen keyboard xcompmgr + xvkbd can already do that but I found smaller keyboard actually faster to use since I don't need to move my fingers that much. From robin.paulson at gmail.com Sat May 9 02:18:25 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 12:18:25 +1200 Subject: Freerunner as a wireless streamplayer? In-Reply-To: References: <200904191345.17738.david@garabana.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770905081718v12c7aefdx45228356ce7067ba@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/9 MartinG : > As for mplayer - are there any known to work mplayer frontends (or any > other *player frontends) for SHR? I managed to get pythm work, but am > not sure how to make it load files over the LAN. intone is great. no idea if it will play files over a LAN though > As a sidenote; I am not able to boot the device when USB is connected. > Is this a know "bug"? Are there any known workarounds? huh? mine boots fine when it's plugged into USB. in fact, this is the only way i can 'revive' it when the battery goes completely flat From monto84 at gmail.com Sat May 9 02:28:44 2009 From: monto84 at gmail.com (Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 02:28:44 +0200 Subject: DON'T PANIC In-Reply-To: <4A04B791.8090004@users.sourceforge.net> References: <200905090031.02937.joerg@openmoko.org> <5c6ceea80905081544k2907a4abnb998761fea767ee@mail.gmail.com> <4A04B791.8090004@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <1241828924.10417.1.camel@localhost> Il giorno sab, 09/05/2009 alle 00.52 +0200, Pander ha scritto: > David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: > > LOL > > It's a pitty Qi doesn't has bootsplash It really fits > > +1 +2 but here's my illume bg http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/6f20a27ca0dd0d8731aae98ae93f39b2.png if you like it i can make that img available, it's not really good but it's funny. Pietro And remember the answer :D From freerunner at newkirk.us Sat May 9 02:57:30 2009 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:57:30 -0400 Subject: [shr-testing] kernel with working g_ether to Windoze connection? In-Reply-To: <18db98c80905080746v32f1bdc7kfce1fb7afd009807@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090506152124.55736i7mc0th499g@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <20090506163842.139830w5nt0tfjsy@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <4A01BE3F.9010707@sapo.pt> <20090507103218.715772mvck1r93tu@w0.mail.sapo.pt> <18db98c80905070931j5403c7e7h76a396db1dcc61f6@mail.gmail.com> <20090507154709.0bc08ce2@j> <18db98c80905080043s4b0e413ci560e1856019dcbcd@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c80905080746v32f1bdc7kfce1fb7afd009807@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090508205730.728c9263@j> Odd, I'm running that on my FR still and never noticed that. If you're interested, I stuffed a few other kernels up there as well. (I'd picked that one because it was mid-april, and ID'd as 2.6.28) Feb2: http://newkirk.us/om/testing/uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r3-om-gta02.bin http://newkirk.us/om/testing/modules-2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r3-om-gta02.tgz Feb26: http://newkirk.us/om/testing/uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0e5fe639e234cdeb11d8441f19c5b3109a8b6a17-r2-om-gta02.bin http://newkirk.us/om/testing/modules-2.6.28-stable+gitr0e5fe639e234cdeb11d8441f19c5b3109a8b6a17-r2-om-gta02.tgz Mar19: http://newkirk.us/om/testing/uImage-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr119749+1e257a0e99817a338e3706708ebb5036518e46d8-r3-om-gta02.bin http://newkirk.us/om/testing/modules-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr119749+1e257a0e99817a338e3706708ebb5036518e46d8-r3-om-gta02.tgz Apr15: http://newkirk.us/om/testing/uImage-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr119789+9a690f4~33bbeeba62ff28ae38ff7f869e4b05-r3-om-gta02.bin I thought I had another one from early April, but can't find it anywhere now. j On Fri, 8 May 2009 16:46:54 +0200 Davide Scaini wrote: > AFAIK this is a .28 mispelled... or at least is what uname -r answers > (2.6.29-rc3)... anyway you've been very kind ;-) but i still don't > have wifi working. > f > > > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Davide Scaini > wrote: > > > Thank you very much! I'm downloading it... i'll give feedback. > > Thanks > > d > > > > > > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Joel Newkirk > > wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 7 May 2009 18:31:39 +0200 > >> Davide Scaini wrote: > >> > >> > I am searching for a really olg 2.6.28 kernel... (and not a .28 > >> > mispelled that in fact it's a .29...) where can i find it? (I'm > >> > talking about something of the mid april...) > >> > thanks > >> > d From freerunner at newkirk.us Sat May 9 03:41:46 2009 From: freerunner at newkirk.us (Joel Newkirk) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:41:46 -0400 Subject: DON'T PANIC In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80905081544k2907a4abnb998761fea767ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <200905090031.02937.joerg@openmoko.org> <5c6ceea80905081544k2907a4abnb998761fea767ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090508214146.54360386@j> On Sat, 9 May 2009 00:44:32 +0200 David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: > LOL > It's a pitty Qi doesn't has bootsplash It really fits > > 2009/5/9 Joerg Reisenweber : > > DON'T PANIC > > uBoot splashscreen > > > > http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/bootsplash > > Some time ago I customized /etc/init.d/banner for Qi to fill the gap (IE 40 seconds of blank screen) left with Qi lacking splash. The one I use is attached as banner-om, displaying the Openmoko logo. (I'd been trying to print a random Lao Tze quote beneath it, but could only get random with bash, and bash barfed on the ASCII art for some reason) I just created another, attached as banner-dp. (Hint: Use Gimp, scale & crop your logo or image to 150x150, scale again to 75 vertical only, then save as ASCII art - and you'll have to search&replace to make sure there's no ` backquote characters in the image) I use ANSI codes to print the OM logo in orange, and the DP logo in green. I thought about working on getting the tongue red, not sure if it's worth the effort to me though. If your distro doesn't already have banner, you'll need to symlink it to something like /etc/rcS.d/S03banner j -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: banner-om Type: application/octet-stream Size: 3096 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090508/d6b09840/attachment-0001.obj From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Sat May 9 05:30:35 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:30:35 -0700 Subject: [shr-testing] pimlico "dates" Message-ID: my last question about pimlico dates came back with no responses. so here is to hopeing... it seems that dates is not getting the correct day from the device. running the date command in the terminal displays friday may 8th. but hitting the "today" button inside of dates selects saturday may 9th. i thought the year was wrong but it is correct. i dont see much information for the app on the wiki page or the program page so im wondering if there is anyone out on the list with any ideas - jeremy From steve at openmoko.com Sat May 9 06:11:54 2009 From: steve at openmoko.com (Steve Mosher) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 21:11:54 -0700 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <4A044E9D.3010805@internode.on.net> References: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> <20090506132225.04d26093@blunt.home> <4A037716.308@internode.on.net> <4A038607.4020109@internode.on.net> <4A03A3F4.4010202@openmoko> <4A044E9D.3010805@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4A05028A.6090406@openmoko> Dale Maggee wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi Steve, > > I appreciate your replying to this thread. > > I would however point out that I believe that you should have already > been aware of this issue before I raised it in this public mailing list: > I sent three emails to Openmoko asking about getting a refund, and > received no reply to any of them. I've pasted these emails below, after > the "---BEGIN EMAIL THREAD---" Line. You were cc'd in two of these > emails (the ones saying "I've had no reply"). I eventually got a > response from Tony Tu on the trac ticket, at which point I stopped > sending emails to you. > Dale, as you can well imagine since I receive mail every single time a FR is ordered, since I receive mail every time we get a request for a return, since I receive mail from the community list and the developer list and since I received mail from contact at openmoko university at openmoko.. oh heck every public mail we have plus I have my email on every press release, you can well imagine that I might have forgotten your name. But I didn't. Two people handled the RMAs on product purchased from OM store. And with Tony on the job I just assumed it would handled. I've been informed that we dont have a record a record of you purchasing the phone from us. That probably explains why Tony could not process the return. > As I've indicated, I've already gone through the process of requesting a > refund for the device, and this was declined. I think you should be able > to find all the info you need at https://support.openmoko.com/trac/ticket/36 > Yes. As I stated above we have no record of you purchaing the phone at our store: openmoko.com If you purchased it elsewhere please let me know. All of the guys here who have dealt with me will tell you that I'm a fair and reasonable person. > I think that if you want to discuss the refund issue with me, it may be > more appropriate to do so off-list, but I realise that I may have > created a public image issue for you here (given my usage of the words > "thieves" and "defrauded"), and that you may therefore want to keep this > public. If you're willing to work with me to resolve my grievances and > prove my assertions incorrect, then I'd be more than happy to come back > here and retract my previous statements once it's resolved :). That > might be more appropriate, rather than flooding the mailing list with > what will effectively be back-and-forth personal conversations between > you and me. but if you want to discuss it in this public place I have no > problem with that either - up to you. > Makes no difference to me. If I handled this privately I'm sure some lunatic down the road who slam me for taking it private and launch into yact, yet another conspiracy theory. You put your return request into the RMA process for the Openmoko store. For that process to work we have to be able to find you in the database. So, if you could verify that you did in fact purchase the phone from that store ( the sn and imei would help) Then I can do two things: 1. Figure out how the heck the system didnt capture your information 2. Process your return. WRT your language. If I took offense, then I'd be a thief. ( that's a joke.. took a fence) Seriously, I'm no person to lecture people about having a colorful way of expressing anger. I'll just say that some weapons have more collateral damage then others. And sometimes you can frag yourself, intentionally or otherwise, if you don't get clear of the blast zone. > Since having my application for a refund declined, I had come to kind of > accept that I had "been screwed", and I have since bought another phone. > Since I did that, I've (in my less angry moments) come to see the FR as > a kind-of-cool little open-source device, as long as you don't want to > use it as a phone. I haven't really done anything much with it, because > so far I've been too angry to really even look at it, but I will admit > that it does have potential for something, even if it's not as a > reliable phone. > I'll check from my side but did they give you a reason for being declined. > (That's my whole point, by the way: That it's not a usable phone, even > after a year of waiting, and I bought it because I wanted a working open > source phone, and I was told that the FR would meet that requirement). > > I would therefore perhaps be open to accepting a partial refund and > keeping the device as a PDA-sized linux device (The AU Laws allow for > that), even if I never use it. But I think that if this were to happen I > would maybe not feel cheated anymore and could possibly once again > enjoy participating constructively in the community. > Let's see what turns up when I get the ID numbers I requested. If you bought it from somebody else, then there might be a variety of remedies. But here in the states to process a return proof of purchase is required. Again, I'm not insinuating that you didnt buy the phone. I'm just trying to nail down the details required to solve the situation for you. And I do appreciate your patience and your willingness to see some good in the device > I Look forward to hearing from you. > > Regards, > - -Dale > > - ---BEGIN EMAIL THREAD--- > > Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: FreeRunner]] > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:19:34 +1100 > From: Dale Maggee > To: contact at openmoko.com, sean at openmoko.com, steve at openmoko.com > > Having received absolutely no response whatsoever after more than a > week, even after opening a refund ticker in trac (#36), I resend my > email once again... > > - -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [Fwd: FreeRunner] > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:25:12 +1100 > From: Dale Maggee > To: contact at openmoko.com > CC: sean at openmoko.com, mickey at openmoko.org, steve at openmoko.com > > Having received no response whatsoever to my previous email, I'll send > it again, and add a few more addresses. Hopefully I'll get a reply this > time. Please see below. > > Regards, > - -Dale > > - -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: FreeRunner > Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:35:41 +1100 > From: Dale Maggee > To: contact at openmoko.com > > Hi, > > Please advise what is the process for getting my money back for my Neo > Freerunner. > > Before I purchased this device almost a year ago, I was told that it > could reliably make and recieve phone calls, as per Steve's email below. > This is not, nor has it ever been the case - The device has *never* > reliably made or recieved phone calls, it's overall stability is > completely sub-par, and the ASU software stack mentioned turned out to > be even less reliable and also slower than the original 2007.2 software > stack. > > I have listened to Openmoko's promises regarding solving the issues, and > these promises have not been met, repeatedly. In addition to this, as > far as I can see, Openmoko's emphasis does not appear to be on stability > or being able to use the device reliably as a phone, you seem to be more > interested in building new frameworks from the ground up than actually > making the device do what I bought it to do. While I'll agree that FSO > may *one day* provide a usefull framework, it is presently far away from > this goal (*still* no PIM!). > > In addition, "a working phone that could be used as an everyday phone" > has a suspend mode, will happily go for more than 4-6 hours without > being attached to a battery charger, and will actually wake up from > suspend mode when appropriate (i.e if somebody calls). Thus this device > does not do what you have told me it would do, even nine months on. > Don't bother trying to tell me that "the suspend problems are fixed in > the .28 kernel", because months after hearing these claims there are > *still* no distros available which use this kernel, making this point moot. > > I apologise for the curt tone of this email, but I have become > increasingly frustrated and disconcerted with this device as time has > gone on, I've repeatedly resisted the urge to post much more > harshly-worded emails on the mailing lists, and I have now come to the > conclusion that I have no option other than to purchase a new phone > which will actually do what it's supposed to do. As such, I will have no > use for the Freerunner, and according to the Australian Fair Trading > laws, I am entitled to a refund under the Fair Trading Act 1999 if the > goods I bought have a fault I could not have known about when I bought > them, or do not do the job I was led to believe they would. The > Freerunner clearly and demonstrably fits both of these criteria. > > As such, please advise how I should go about obtaining my refund. > > Regards, > - -Dale Maggee > > > On 29-Jun-2008, steve wrote: > >> The base software provided with the phone at launch will support >> everyday use. >> >> 1. dialer. >> 2. SMS. >> 3. Contacts. >> >> That was the fundamental goal. Provde a working phone that could be >> used as an everyday phone. >> >> In the background a whole new software suite is being created. ASU. >> >> So between launch ( right now) and sometime in August/september, >> > developers > >> will have a >> Phone that actually works like a phone. It's functionality will be basic. >> Come this fall >> The whole look and Feel will change. >> >> Steve >> >> > > > - ---END EMAIL THREAD--- > > > Steve Mosher wrote: > >> Hi Dale. >> >> I got a note from the people who handle these issues. In looking >> through our store records >> we were unable to find any order from you at openmoko.com. That >> doesn't mean >> you haven't purchased a phone. If you could, provide me with the >> details of your >> purchase. Who you bought it from and when. Also, if you take the >> battery out >> you'll see a IMEI number and a serial number. That will help with >> tracking as >> well. So send those along as well. >> >> Best Regards >> >> Steve >> >> steve at openmoko.com >> >> Dale Maggee wrote: >> Guten Tag, Sieg Heil. >> >> Seriously... You may not have heard of it, but There's a concept that's >> been around for a while called "Free speech"... you know, as opposed to >> "free beer". >> >> "Goebbels was in favour of free speech for views he liked. So was >> Stalin. If you're really in favour of free speech, then you're in favour >> of freedom of speech for precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, >> you're not in favour of free speech." - Noam Chomsky >> >> I am contributing - contributing to Free Speech, and I'm doing my part >> to warn prospective customers against giving their money to thieves. >> >> If you're not in favour of free speech then I have two words for you: >> "Email filter". But I'm not going anywhere. >> >> >> (Note: I know there are quite a few deutschlanders on this list, and my >> use of your language is not intended in any way as a slight against your >> people or country. On the contrary, I think that you're among the most >> beautiful and intelligent people in the world, and your country reflects >> that... :) ) >> >> >> jeremy jozwik wrote: >> >> >>>>> seriously... go write the prime minister or something. if your not >>>>> going to contribute your just wasting everyone else's time >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Dale Maggee wrote: >>>>> arne anka wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bitter much? : ) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> nope. he's just a troll. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> Before I bought My Neo, I was told by OM that it would work as a phone. >>>>> >>>>> Once I got it and said "WTF This doesn't work as a phone!" I was told by >>>>> OM that 2008.8 would. So I waited. >>>>> >>>>> It was worse than 2007.2. I was told that 2008.12 would be much better. >>>>> So I waited. >>>>> >>>>> Was there even any difference? Sure, the animations might have been a >>>>> bit smoother, or something, but it still didn't work as a phone. >>>>> >>>>> When I asked for my money back I was told that it had been too long >>>>> since I placed my order... despite the fact that the only reason I >>>>> waited so long was that I trusted OM when they said that I would >>>>> eventually get a working phone. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I contacted Consumer Affairs here in AU. They told me that OM were >>>>> legally bound by our laws (which include a clause giving me the right to >>>>> demand a refund if the item doesn't do what I was led to believe it >>>>> would do). They told me that according to the letter of the law, OM were >>>>> required to give me a refund. They also told me that since they're based >>>>> overseas, there's basically no way to enforce it. >>>>> >>>>> In short: OM Have Lied to me, then violated the consumer protection laws >>>>> they're bound to by selling a Neo to an Australian Citizen by refusing >>>>> to refund my money. That means that *OpenMoko Are THIEVES*. >>>>> >>>>> Anything I say about them is justified. IMO you can't be a troll if >>>>> you're in the right. And I am. I have been defrauded of $400. And so >>>>> have you. The only difference is that I'm not willing to sit around >>>>> pretending that being raped is all fun and games. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> >> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Openmoko community mailing list >>>>> community at lists.openmoko.org >>>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >>>>> >>>>> > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFKBE6cFbVnQRV3OEYRAhx5AJ4uuQGqO4Gq5m56AkrBGKLpeQ2TTgCcDMQJ > TByyR6JfmBG5bLuxNYEiVI0= > =0MRn > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From sudharsh at gmail.com Sat May 9 07:46:22 2009 From: sudharsh at gmail.com (Sudharshan S) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:16:22 +0530 Subject: DON'T PANIC In-Reply-To: <200905090031.02937.joerg@openmoko.org> References: <200905090031.02937.joerg@openmoko.org> Message-ID: <3f97c09d0905082246k7aa5d228h1e0fc8a45a0ba59d@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:01 AM, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > DON'T PANIC > uBoot splashscreen > > http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/bootsplash > +1 for the H2G2 reference :D Regards Sudharshan S From antisol at internode.on.net Sat May 9 08:03:00 2009 From: antisol at internode.on.net (Dale Maggee) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 16:03:00 +1000 Subject: It Ain't funny [Was: Ain't it funny..] In-Reply-To: References: <4A0428E4.9060804@internode.on.net> <200905081534.40448.tanuva@gmail.com> <20090508135244.GB5046@roque.1407.org> <4A0459FF.4030608@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4A051C94.4000805@internode.on.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Shawn Rutledge wrote: > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Dale Maggee wrote: >> Generally when I hear the word "nazi" used, it means "totalitarian", not >> "monster" or "mass murderer" - think of the "soup nazi" in Seinfeld. >> That's what I meant. Not the other. *At All*. Sorry. > > That just goes to show the meaning has gotten diluted from overuse, doesn't it. > Absolutely, to the point that I wasn't even aware that there were other meanings you could read into it, and that's why I felt like such a dick once I had this pointed out to me. Like I said, I learned something, and as a consequence I'll need to find myself a new metaphor for "totalitarian"... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKBRyUFbVnQRV3OEYRAqlIAKCCPMZT4yqyPLA4nRz5lp+BJ+smtACdE/dy DgRCwUfSfUNgqz5EFt9o1mk= =eS2W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hns at computer.org Sat May 9 08:24:36 2009 From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 08:24:36 +0200 Subject: Debuzzing In-Reply-To: <4A048C12.3050103@coralbark.net> References: <4A03E4B6.9090307@djdas.net> <80EACD4B-86F6-4C1C-BEF2-4D1CC0B9E3A3@computer.org> <4A048C12.3050103@coralbark.net> Message-ID: Am 08.05.2009 um 21:46 schrieb Jon Levell: > Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > >> expenses. The rework itself is essentially for free and Openmoko >> provides an additional free battery to make good your efforts and the >> time you don't have the Freerunner to use. > > I've tried to order this but when I try and pay via a credit card, I > get a blank screen. I see that it warns about pop-up blockers on the > page but I've even tried using IE6 (under Wine) and I still get the > blank screen. > > Is the payment processing broken at the moment? Not generally. Several people have reported a blank screen that is only shown on the first attempt. But we can't debug that easily, because it appears only for real payments and not in debug mode. According to the logic it *should* be a https protected page from either ipayment.de or your bank. If someone can find out the URL of the blank page that would really help us. Thanks, Nikolaus From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Sat May 9 08:25:30 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 23:25:30 -0700 Subject: [shr-testing] crap crap crap Message-ID: can someone please attach their /etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc please. it should be only a few lines... i accidentally overwrote mine i seem to have destroyed my moko ui From lida_mail at 163.com Sat May 9 08:36:22 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 14:36:22 +0800 Subject: [shr-testing] crap crap crap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1241850982.401.11.camel@daniel-laptop> root at om-gta02 ~ $ cat /etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc gtk-font-name = "Sans 5" gtk-theme-name = "openmoko-standard-2" gtk-icon-theme-name = "openmoko-standard" style "treeview" { GtkTreeView::expander-size = 40 } widget_class "*TreeView*" style "treeview" On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 23:25 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote: > can someone please attach their /etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc please. > it should be only a few lines... i accidentally overwrote mine > > i seem to have destroyed my moko ui > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From lida_mail at 163.com Sat May 9 08:43:57 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 14:43:57 +0800 Subject: Version 0.4 of MokoGeocaching released In-Reply-To: <4A04A107.5000003@jespervestergaard.dk> References: <4A04A107.5000003@jespervestergaard.dk> Message-ID: <1241851437.401.12.camel@daniel-laptop> Well done. But the link seems broken, can anyone help to update the link? $ opkg install https://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/82 0/mokogeocaching_0.4_all.ipk opkg: https://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/820/mokogeocaching_0.4_all.ipk: No such file or directory Collected errors: * Cannot find package https://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/820/mokogeocaching_0.4_all.ipk. On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 23:15 +0200, Jesper Vestergaard wrote: > This is a litle gtk python script that searches the geocaching.com site > for caches near your current position or a user specified lattitude and > longitude and add the cache as a poi in tangogps. > > This is version 0.4 and the code is still not pretty but quite usable. > The package can be found here http://www.opkg.org/package_141.html > > Warning: I have only tested it on shr unstable > > The script can now: > - get gps location from phone > - user can manually set location > - user can specify range > - script can download matching geocaches and add as poi > - read geocaching.com username and password from configuration file > - threaded gtk and downloading - but unfortunately not searching > - unicode support > - gui input for username and password > - user can specify whether he wants to download already found caches > or skip them and whether he wants to download just caches of a specific type > - hints are downloaded and user can specify if hints will be > displayed encoded or decoded > - coordversion is added. It's a tool to convert coordinates in their > different presentations (see below) > > Future plans: > code commenting and sanitizing > threaded search > > Coordversion: > You can convert coordinates from one presentation into the two others by > entering the given coordinates into > the matching row and press the ">" at the end of the line. The other > fields will be updated or the status field > will display an error. > The three presentations are: > row - presentation - example > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > first row - decimal degree - 52.12346 013.98765 > second row - degree, decimal minutes - 52 7.4076 13 59.259 > third row - degree, minutes, decimal seconds - 52 7 24 11 179 15 > > You can add the coordinate you just converted as poi into tangogps. > Therefore you can specify a name (which will be the title of the poi) > and click on "add as poi". > ATTENTION: It will always be added the point which is currently in the > FIRST ROW (decimal degree field). > > In the two fields below you can enter bearing values in degree and > kilometers. By clicking the ">" button in the same row the program will > calculate the new coordinates to the given coordinates (again taken from > the first row) the angle and the distance and display them in the fields > below. From there you can move the new coordinates up again by clicking > "^" to keep converting them into other presentations or add them as a poi. > > Example: > You are on a geocaching Trip and on one stage you get the coordinates 52 > 30.87294, 013 21.003738 and are told to go 150 meters in 45??. > You would enter the coordinates into the second row and press the ">" > button next to it to get the decimal degree presentation into the first > row (52.514549, 13.3500623). Then you would enter 45 and 0.15 in the > bearing fields and hit ">". The new coordinates are displayed below. By > pressing "^" you bring the new coordinates up again. Now you can, for > example, add a nice name like "Stage 2 on my multi" and press "add as > poi". The new poi should now be visible in tangogps. > > Installation: > install python-sqlite3 python-pygtk python-pygtk python-netclient > python-mime > run mokogeocaching.py or use the mokogeocaching icon located in the > launcher. > > > Mokogeocaching works best with tangogps 0.9.6 because of a bug in 0.9.5 > where tangogps crashes if a poi i larger than 1500 charaters. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Sat May 9 08:46:40 2009 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 23:46:40 -0700 Subject: [shr-testing] crap crap crap In-Reply-To: <1241850982.401.11.camel@daniel-laptop> References: <1241850982.401.11.camel@daniel-laptop> Message-ID: fixed!!!!! thank you so very very much for the speedy responce daniel, you have saved me from a re-flash! On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Daniel.Li wrote: > root at om-gta02 ~ $ cat /etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc > gtk-font-name = "Sans 5" > gtk-theme-name = "openmoko-standard-2" > gtk-icon-theme-name = "openmoko-standard" > style "treeview" > { > ? ?GtkTreeView::expander-size = 40 > } > widget_class "*TreeView*" style "treeview" > > On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 23:25 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote: >> can someone please attach their /etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc please. >> it should be only a few lines... ?i accidentally overwrote mine >> >> i seem to have destroyed my moko ui >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- > Daniel.Li > PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From antisol at internode.on.net Sat May 9 08:47:01 2009 From: antisol at internode.on.net (Dale Maggee) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 16:47:01 +1000 Subject: Ain't it funny.. In-Reply-To: <4A05028A.6090406@openmoko> References: <4A0145BF.5090809@internode.on.net> <20090506132225.04d26093@blunt.home> <4A037716.308@internode.on.net> <4A038607.4020109@internode.on.net> <4A03A3F4.4010202@openmoko> <4A044E9D.3010805@internode.on.net> <4A05028A.6090406@openmoko> Message-ID: <4A0526E5.2030604@internode.on.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 For the Conspiracy Theorists out there: Steve and I are discussing this off-list. For everybody else: This list will now be free of my vitriol while Steve and I talk. Enjoy. Steve Mosher wrote: > Dale Maggee wrote: > Hi Steve, > > I appreciate your replying to this thread. > > I would however point out that I believe that you should have already > been aware of this issue before I raised it in this public mailing list: > I sent three emails to Openmoko asking about getting a refund, and > received no reply to any of them. I've pasted these emails below, after > the "---BEGIN EMAIL THREAD---" Line. You were cc'd in two of these > emails (the ones saying "I've had no reply"). I eventually got a > response from Tony Tu on the trac ticket, at which point I stopped > sending emails to you. > >> Dale, as you can well imagine since I receive mail every single time a >> FR is ordered, >> since I receive mail every time we get a request for a return, since I >> receive mail from >> the community list and the developer list and since I received mail >> from contact at openmoko >> university at openmoko.. oh heck every public mail we have plus I have my >> email on every >> press release, you can well imagine that I might have forgotten your >> name. But I didn't. >> Two people handled the RMAs on product purchased from OM store. And >> with Tony on the >> job I just assumed it would handled. I've been informed that we dont >> have a record a record >> of you purchasing the phone from us. That probably explains why Tony >> could not process >> the return. > As I've indicated, I've already gone through the process of requesting a > refund for the device, and this was declined. I think you should be able > to find all the info you need at > https://support.openmoko.com/trac/ticket/36 > >> Yes. As I stated above we have no record of you purchaing the phone at >> our store: openmoko.com >> If you purchased it elsewhere please let me know. All of the guys here >> who have dealt with me will >> tell you that I'm a fair and reasonable person. > I think that if you want to discuss the refund issue with me, it may be > more appropriate to do so off-list, but I realise that I may have > created a public image issue for you here (given my usage of the words > "thieves" and "defrauded"), and that you may therefore want to keep this > public. If you're willing to work with me to resolve my grievances and > prove my assertions incorrect, then I'd be more than happy to come back > here and retract my previous statements once it's resolved :). That > might be more appropriate, rather than flooding the mailing list with > what will effectively be back-and-forth personal conversations between > you and me. but if you want to discuss it in this public place I have no > problem with that either - up to you. > >> Makes no difference to me. If I handled this privately I'm sure some >> lunatic down the road >> who slam me for taking it private and launch into yact, yet another >> conspiracy theory. >> You put your return request into the RMA process for the Openmoko >> store. For >> that process to work we have to be able to find you in the database. >> So, if you could >> verify that you did in fact purchase the phone from that store ( the sn >> and imei would >> help) Then I can do two things: >> 1. Figure out how the heck the system didnt capture your information >> 2. Process your return. > >> WRT your language. If I took offense, then I'd be a thief. ( that's a >> joke.. took a fence) >> Seriously, I'm no person to lecture people about having a colorful way >> of expressing >> anger. I'll just say that some weapons have more collateral damage then >> others. And >> sometimes you can frag yourself, intentionally or otherwise, if you >> don't get clear of the blast zone. > Since having my application for a refund declined, I had come to kind of > accept that I had "been screwed", and I have since bought another phone. > Since I did that, I've (in my less angry moments) come to see the FR as > a kind-of-cool little open-source device, as long as you don't want to > use it as a phone. I haven't really done anything much with it, because > so far I've been too angry to really even look at it, but I will admit > that it does have potential for something, even if it's not as a > reliable phone. > >> I'll check from my side but did they give you a reason for being declined. > (That's my whole point, by the way: That it's not a usable phone, even > after a year of waiting, and I bought it because I wanted a working open > source phone, and I was told that the FR would meet that requirement). > > I would therefore perhaps be open to accepting a partial refund and > keeping the device as a PDA-sized linux device (The AU Laws allow for > that), even if I never use it. But I think that if this were to happen I > would maybe not feel cheated anymore and could possibly once again > enjoy participating constructively in the community. > >> Let's see what turns up when I get the ID numbers I requested. If you >> bought it from somebody >> else, then there might be a variety of remedies. But here in the states >> to process a return >> proof of purchase is required. Again, I'm not insinuating that you didnt >> buy the phone. I'm >> just trying to nail down the details required to solve the situation for >> you. And I do appreciate your patience >> and your willingness to see some good in the device > I Look forward to hearing from you. > > Regards, > -Dale > > ---BEGIN EMAIL THREAD--- > > Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: FreeRunner]] > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:19:34 +1100 > From: Dale Maggee > To: contact at openmoko.com, sean at openmoko.com, steve at openmoko.com > > Having received absolutely no response whatsoever after more than a > week, even after opening a refund ticker in trac (#36), I resend my > email once again... > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [Fwd: FreeRunner] > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:25:12 +1100 > From: Dale Maggee > To: contact at openmoko.com > CC: sean at openmoko.com, mickey at openmoko.org, steve at openmoko.com > > Having received no response whatsoever to my previous email, I'll send > it again, and add a few more addresses. Hopefully I'll get a reply this > time. Please see below. > > Regards, > -Dale > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: FreeRunner > Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:35:41 +1100 > From: Dale Maggee > To: contact at openmoko.com > > Hi, > > Please advise what is the process for getting my money back for my Neo > Freerunner. > > Before I purchased this device almost a year ago, I was told that it > could reliably make and recieve phone calls, as per Steve's email below. > This is not, nor has it ever been the case - The device has *never* > reliably made or recieved phone calls, it's overall stability is > completely sub-par, and the ASU software stack mentioned turned out to > be even less reliable and also slower than the original 2007.2 software > stack. > > I have listened to Openmoko's promises regarding solving the issues, and > these promises have not been met, repeatedly. In addition to this, as > far as I can see, Openmoko's emphasis does not appear to be on stability > or being able to use the device reliably as a phone, you seem to be more > interested in building new frameworks from the ground up than actually > making the device do what I bought it to do. While I'll agree that FSO > may *one day* provide a usefull framework, it is presently far away from > this goal (*still* no PIM!). > > In addition, "a working phone that could be used as an everyday phone" > has a suspend mode, will happily go for more than 4-6 hours without > being attached to a battery charger, and will actually wake up from > suspend mode when appropriate (i.e if somebody calls). Thus this device > does not do what you have told me it would do, even nine months on. > Don't bother trying to tell me that "the suspend problems are fixed in > the .28 kernel", because months after hearing these claims there are > *still* no distros available which use this kernel, making this point > moot. > > I apologise for the curt tone of this email, but I have become > increasingly frustrated and disconcerted with this device as time has > gone on, I've repeatedly resisted the urge to post much more > harshly-worded emails on the mailing lists, and I have now come to the > conclusion that I have no option other than to purchase a new phone > which will actually do what it's supposed to do. As such, I will have no > use for the Freerunner, and according to the Australian Fair Trading > laws, I am entitled to a refund under the Fair Trading Act 1999 if the > goods I bought have a fault I could not have known about when I bought > them, or do not do the job I was led to believe they would. The > Freerunner clearly and demonstrably fits both of these criteria. > > As such, please advise how I should go about obtaining my refund. > > Regards, > -Dale Maggee > > > On 29-Jun-2008, steve wrote: > >>>> The base software provided with the phone at launch will support >>>> everyday use. >>>> >>>> 1. dialer. >>>> 2. SMS. >>>> 3. Contacts. >>>> >>>> That was the fundamental goal. Provde a working phone that could be >>>> used as an everyday phone. >>>> >>>> In the background a whole new software suite is being created. ASU. >>>> >>>> So between launch ( right now) and sometime in August/september, >>>> > developers > >>>> will have a >>>> Phone that actually works like a phone. It's functionality will be >>>> basic. >>>> Come this fall >>>> The whole look and Feel will change. >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> > > > ---END EMAIL THREAD--- > > > Steve Mosher wrote: > >>>> Hi Dale. >>>> >>>> I got a note from the people who handle these issues. In looking >>>> through our store records >>>> we were unable to find any order from you at openmoko.com. That >>>> doesn't mean >>>> you haven't purchased a phone. If you could, provide me with the >>>> details of your >>>> purchase. Who you bought it from and when. Also, if you take the >>>> battery out >>>> you'll see a IMEI number and a serial number. That will help with >>>> tracking as >>>> well. So send those along as well. >>>> >>>> Best Regards >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> steve at openmoko.com >>>> >>>> Dale Maggee wrote: >>>> Guten Tag, Sieg Heil. >>>> >>>> Seriously... You may not have heard of it, but There's a concept that's >>>> been around for a while called "Free speech"... you know, as opposed to >>>> "free beer". >>>> >>>> "Goebbels was in favour of free speech for views he liked. So was >>>> Stalin. If you're really in favour of free speech, then you're in favour >>>> of freedom of speech for precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, >>>> you're not in favour of free speech." - Noam Chomsky >>>> >>>> I am contributing - contributing to Free Speech, and I'm doing my part >>>> to warn prospective customers against giving their money to thieves. >>>> >>>> If you're not in favour of free speech then I have two words for you: >>>> "Email filter". But I'm not going anywhere. >>>> >>>> >>>> (Note: I know there are quite a few deutschlanders on this list, and my >>>> use of your language is not intended in any way as a slight against your >>>> people or country. On the contrary, I think that you're among the most >>>> beautiful and intelligent people in the world, and your country reflects >>>> that... :) ) >>>> >>>> >>>> jeremy jozwik wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> seriously... go write the prime minister or something. if your not >>>>>>> going to contribute your just wasting everyone else's time >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Dale Maggee >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> arne anka wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bitter much? : ) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> nope. he's just a troll. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Before I bought My Neo, I was told by OM that it would work as a >>>>>>> phone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Once I got it and said "WTF This doesn't work as a phone!" I was >>>>>>> told by >>>>>>> OM that 2008.8 would. So I waited. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It was worse than 2007.2. I was told that 2008.12 would be much >>>>>>> better. >>>>>>> So I waited. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Was there even any difference? Sure, the animations might have been a >>>>>>> bit smoother, or something, but it still didn't work as a phone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I asked for my money back I was told that it had been too long >>>>>>> since I placed my order... despite the fact that the only reason I >>>>>>> waited so long was that I trusted OM when they said that I would >>>>>>> eventually get a working phone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I contacted Consumer Affairs here in AU. They told me that OM were >>>>>>> legally bound by our laws (which include a clause giving me the >>>>>>> right to >>>>>>> demand a refund if the item doesn't do what I was led to believe it >>>>>>> would do). They told me that according to the letter of the law, >>>>>>> OM were >>>>>>> required to give me a refund. They also told me that since they're >>>>>>> based >>>>>>> overseas, there's basically no way to enforce it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In short: OM Have Lied to me, then violated the consumer >>>>>>> protection laws >>>>>>> they're bound to by selling a Neo to an Australian Citizen by >>>>>>> refusing >>>>>>> to refund my money. That means that *OpenMoko Are THIEVES*. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anything I say about them is justified. IMO you can't be a troll if >>>>>>> you're in the right. And I am. I have been defrauded of $400. And so >>>>>>> have you. The only difference is that I'm not willing to sit around >>>>>>> pretending that being raped is all fun and games. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Openmoko community mailing list >>>> community at lists.openmoko.org >>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Openmoko community mailing list >>>>>>> community at lists.openmoko.org >>>>>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Openmoko community mailing list >>>> community at lists.openmoko.org >>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >>>> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKBSbkFbVnQRV3OEYRAmG8AKCq7Y7Sq0o5UgKqA7FK4caICUsSyQCgoA+S tRkpVhlZt229cAFSwzm9CbM= =8HRu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lida_mail at 163.com Sat May 9 08:52:30 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 14:52:30 +0800 Subject: [SHR] I18N In-Reply-To: <42928.195.141.111.127.1241767717.squirrel@mail.puzzle.ch> References: <42928.195.141.111.127.1241767717.squirrel@mail.puzzle.ch> Message-ID: <1241851951.401.13.camel@daniel-laptop> Well, I don't know German language. But maybe you should install fonts for german. On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 09:28 +0200, hersche at puzzle.ch wrote: > hello all, > > i just want to make my shr-installation german.. i installed diffrent > packages to make that: > > tangogps-locale-de locale-base-de-ch claws-mail-locale-de > gpe-calendar-locale-de > > glibc-binary-localedata-de-ch > > shr-settings-locale-de > > libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2-locale-de > libframeworkd-phonegui-efl-locale-de > > but there isn't anything german. so, is anywhere a config-file with which > make's possible to change? > > i also search the enlightement-de-package.. in one installation, it was > possible to select german as language, which package should be used for > this? > > hope for help :) > > greets > > > -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From lida_mail at 163.com Sat May 9 09:14:11 2009 From: lida_mail at 163.com (Daniel.Li) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 15:14:11 +0800 Subject: Next cofundus OM competition idea In-Reply-To: References: <69a2e4550905080634m4f657fe4l72d8b086cf3b704a@mail.gmail.com> <20090508135140.GA5046@roque.1407.org> <69a2e4550905080723y8070ce3h17fcf68eab47711c@mail.gmail.com> <69a2e4550905081113l6e305fcevb2de3ec5917ffeb9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1241853253.401.14.camel@daniel-laptop> On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 13:25 -0500, Steven ** wrote: > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 1:13 PM, rakshat hooja wrote: > > > > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Steven ** > > > >> > >> , that allows you to send an receive files (I believe this is > >> OBEX), etc. This is the feature I am currently missing most. > >> > >> -Steven > > > > Does copyu work for you to send files? > > > > Rakshat > > I don't know what that is. But I know it's not installed on my Neo. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Coypu > > -Steven > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel.Li PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) From klemmster at gmail.com Sat May 9 09:26:36 2009 From: klemmster at gmail.com (Richy) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:26:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [SHR] Podboy (0.0.1 - pre-alpha release) In-Reply-To: <4A04A849.1030604@easter-eggs.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090509/c95e61e3/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 270 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20090509/c95e61e3/attachment.pgp From vanous at penguin.cz Sat May 9 09:28:38 2009 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:28:38 +0200 Subject: Intone (0.20 - alpha release) Elementary based mplayer frontend References: <1238914775262-2587826.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A02B315.7090104@techworks.ie> <1241692275662-2827184.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A02D359.2040208@techworks.ie> <1241767503619-2843962.post@n2.nabble.com> <4A044629.7020105@techworks.ie> Message-ID: <20090509092838.2303c432@penguin.cz> On Fri, 8 May 2009 16:50:27 -0700 jeremy jozwik (JJ) wrote: >is there anything you can do about the audio cutting in and out with >opening applications or while the device is going into auto-dimming >while playing? do you play your content from nand or from usd card? i have this issue too but only when playing from usd card. perhaps some kind of buffer would help.... seems like mplayer does have such an option, has anyone tried this? Petr From openmoko at ginguppin.de Sat May 9 09:38:01 2009 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 09:38:01 +0200 Subject: DON'T PANIC In-Reply-To: <200905090031.02937.joerg@openmoko.org> References: <200905090031.02937.joerg@openmoko.org> Message-ID: > DON'T PANIC > uBoot splashscreen yeah! i like it. too bad, i seldom reboot -- is there a way to make it appear when resuming? From robin.paulson at gmail.com Sat May 9 09:55:52 2009 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 19:55:52 +1200 Subject: [2.6.28+ kernel] usb host/device mode switcher In-Reply-To: References: <2f3aa2770904250229g62b5441ch31e51f44f38bfa6b@mail.gmail.com> <2f3aa2770904250558i5c112ff6ga2b7b59b66d4a96d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2f3aa2770905090055u2b02512dqdd0272548b539959@mail.gmail.com> 2009/4/26 Johny Tenfinger : >> ah, shame - i'm on shr-testing and i can't see it in shr-settings here. > > Maybe you are using old frameworkd, which doesn't support new kernel. It's > fixed for a while. i'm using the most recent shr-settin