From tomabroad at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 00:04:30 2009
From: tomabroad at gmail.com (tom)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:04:30 -0400
Subject: Internal pressure sensor
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410909301453o39ca109as62578190a46b8eaa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200909302318.52186.ml@chonyota.net>
	<d3e504410909301453o39ca109as62578190a46b8eaa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f7c60c40909301504m38f4987aq1c81fc5f85262f23@mail.gmail.com>

actually i think they should already be built in...they are so cheap...

can someone suggest that to the FR-Manufactuer?

regs

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Risto H. Kurppa <risto at kurppa.fi> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Christoph Mair <ml at chonyota.net> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I successfully added a pressure sensor to my Freerunner. The BMP085 chip
> from
> > Bosch Sensortec is a small (5x5x1.5mm) chip which includes a pressure and
> a
> > temperature sensor. Power and I2C is enough to get it working. I glued it
> next
> > to the BT antenna. The wiki page contains some pictures:
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/I2C_Pressure_Sensor
> > Sourcecode is available from http://gitorious.org/freerunner-navigation-
> > board/bmp085
>
> Wow, this is a great hack!
>
> I'm surprised if no-one else will do the same!
>
>
> r
>
>
>
> --
> | risto h. kurppa
> | risto at kurppa dot fi
> | http://risto.kurppa.fi
>
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From mikeumo at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 00:18:33 2009
From: mikeumo at gmail.com (Mikhail Umorin)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:18:33 -0500
Subject: Internal pressure sensor
In-Reply-To: <200909302318.52186.ml@chonyota.net>
References: <200909302318.52186.ml@chonyota.net>
Message-ID: <200909301718.33537.mikeumo@gmail.com>

On Wednesday 30 September 2009 16:18:51 Christoph Mair wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I successfully added a pressure sensor to my Freerunner. The BMP085 chip
> from Bosch Sensortec is a small (5x5x1.5mm) chip which includes a pressure
> and a temperature sensor. Power and I2C is enough to get it working. I
> glued it next to the BT antenna. The wiki page contains some pictures:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/I2C_Pressure_Sensor
> Sourcecode is available from http://gitorious.org/freerunner-navigation-
> board/bmp085
>
> Christoph
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Cool!

can be very helpful during mountain hiking (not that GPS does not help already 
-- but it may not be always available)


From haxxx at gmx.li  Thu Oct  1 00:24:39 2009
From: haxxx at gmx.li (Kahless)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:24:39 +0200
Subject: Doom Updates in Progress -- Request from Distribution Maintainers
In-Reply-To: <ef8c8a880909301450s381aea97if9e0b50d1469db74@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1254339864391-3744923.post@n2.nabble.com>	<4AC3B792.4000305@rpi.edu>
	<ef8c8a880909301450s381aea97if9e0b50d1469db74@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC3DAA7.9070101@gmx.li>

Torfinn Ingolfsen schrieb:
> QtMoko perhaps?
a debian package should be enough.

Sascha


From steven at le-roux.info  Thu Oct  1 00:31:43 2009
From: steven at le-roux.info (Steven Le Roux)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 00:31:43 +0200
Subject: Paroli Theme/UI proposals
In-Reply-To: <96dfad1e0909301426ke31ffe5le11b8a1155220e85@mail.gmail.com>
References: <96dfad1e0909301426ke31ffe5le11b8a1155220e85@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5f6db60d0909301531q49ff19d5o439452cf236fc323@mail.gmail.com>

It's just Brilliant !!
I would love to use that ! But maybe it should be a different project than
paroli because I think it more than a theme which is needed to approach your
mockups

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Jon Kristian Nilsen <jokr.nilsen at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Long overdue, but here it comes:)
>
> As mentioned a couple of times on irc, I've been working on a few ideas
> I've had regarding paroli.
> What got me interested in this was the post to the ML some time ago:
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-May/048133.html
>
> Now these are just mock-ups, but ihmo pretty god ones. I've spent quality
> time thinking about user friendliness and what I'd like to see:) Ofcourse
> I've probably missed
> out a few bit's and pieces here and there, heck, I don't even know if it's
> doable, but I will let others be the judge of that, since im not familiar
> with the code.
>
> It's all explained in my post and under each picture, so I hope you guys
> understand my thoughts even though English is my 2nd language:D
>
> Hope you guys like my work:
> http://jonkristian.no/2009/08/paroli-ui-theme-proposals/
>
>
> Best regards
> Jon Kristian Nilsen
> --
> http://jonkristian.no
> http://divineintervention.no
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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>


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From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Thu Oct  1 00:53:44 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:53:44 +0100
Subject: Universal Remote for CE/HA? (openmoko)
In-Reply-To: <4AC3AE79.9020709@gmail.com>
References: <4AC3AE79.9020709@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200909302353.44868.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Wednesday 30 September 2009, Jed wrote:
> Al Johnson, did you get my last response? below....

It was waiting for me, along with this one, when I finally got round to 
checking my mail today.

> >>>> Hi All,
> >>>>
> >>>> I was wondering if there's any good Universal Remote software for CE
> >>>> &or HA being developed in this ecosystem?
> >>>>
> >>>> Does anyone know of anything under way or a related Linux project that
> >>>> could be re-adapted to it?
> >>>>
> >>>> I have something "roughly" like this visualised... (see attached txt
> >>>> file)
> >>>>
> >>>> I have an old Axim X50v which android is being ported to atm...
> >>>> But progress is slow so I may have to find a better supported device
> >>>> soon.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any thoughts/ideas/advice greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Can't control the TV or whatever without the HTPC being powered up. Many
> > would see that as core functionality in a universal remote. If you don't
> > then the Freerunner may be what you're looking for.
>
> Sorry if I'd sent my diagram through properly you'd have understood why
> it's not that imperative for me. The idea is to have a dedicated CE/HA
> controller/bridge. It will ideally be relatively low power/profile.
>
> [I've attached the diagram again in case you didn't see it when I
> re-sent it earlier, tis very basic]

Yes - if that had been attached in the first place my responses might have 
been slightly different!

> >> How would BT be better than using Wifi as the medium to the controller
> >> PC? Do none of the openmoko hardware devices have wifi integrated?
> >
> > It was just a suggestion as to how you could get infrared functionality
> > with an existing BT remote app. There's no reason not to use WiFi if it
> > suits you better - the Freerunner has both. BT uses less power,
> > especially if your WiFi access point doesn't support the power saving
> > mode. WiFi is faster and has longer range.
>
> K cool, I just thought you might know something I didn't, thanks!
>
> >>> [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ReMoko
> >>> [2] http://n2.nabble.com/Auto-home-revision-1-1-td3698124.html
> >>
> >> I've also come across this and am quite impressed thus far!
> >> http://openremote.org/display/orb/Boss+Overview
> >
> > Last time I looked many of the features turned out to be intended but not
> > implemented, but that may have changed by now. You might also like to
> > check out LinuxMCE, PlutoHome, MisterHouse and Minerva.
>
> Isn't LinuxMCE just the non-commercialised version of PlutoHome?

As I understand it LinuxMCE is a fork of PlutoHome, but they've been separate 
long enough for things to have diverged a bit. I've not tried either of them.

> Coolness, never heard of those other two, thanks!

I've not tried them either, just seen them when looking at what's available. I 
also found xAP interesting as it has a plugin for SqueezeCenter which I 
already use. It's more of a building block than a system though. It might be 
worth checking the source for Logitech's Squeezebox Controller as an open 
modular remote running in linux on a small Arm device. They use Poky for 
building the images, so it should be relatively easy to bring into OE.


From daniel.l.staley at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 04:01:47 2009
From: daniel.l.staley at gmail.com (Dan Staley)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:01:47 -0400
Subject: Paroli Theme/UI proposals
In-Reply-To: <5f6db60d0909301531q49ff19d5o439452cf236fc323@mail.gmail.com>
References: <96dfad1e0909301426ke31ffe5le11b8a1155220e85@mail.gmail.com> 
	<5f6db60d0909301531q49ff19d5o439452cf236fc323@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a1951fe20909301901j604f7331na5ad454056791465@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Steven Le Roux <steven at le-roux.info> wrote:

> It's just Brilliant !!
> I would love to use that ! But maybe it should be a different project than
> paroli because I think it more than a theme which is needed to approach your
> mockups
>
>  On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Jon Kristian Nilsen <
> jokr.nilsen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  Long overdue, but here it comes:)
>>
>> As mentioned a couple of times on irc, I've been working on a few ideas
>> I've had regarding paroli.
>> What got me interested in this was the post to the ML some time ago:
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-May/048133.html
>>
>> Now these are just mock-ups, but ihmo pretty god ones. I've spent quality
>> time thinking about user friendliness and what I'd like to see:) Ofcourse
>> I've probably missed
>> out a few bit's and pieces here and there, heck, I don't even know if it's
>> doable, but I will let others be the judge of that, since im not familiar
>> with the code.
>>
>> It's all explained in my post and under each picture, so I hope you guys
>> understand my thoughts even though English is my 2nd language:D
>>
>> Hope you guys like my work:
>> http://jonkristian.no/2009/08/paroli-ui-theme-proposals/
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>> Jon Kristian Nilsen
>> --
>> http://jonkristian.no
>> http://divineintervention.no
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Steven Le Roux
> Jabber-ID : Steven at jabber.fr
> 0x39494CCB <steven at le-roux.info>
> 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0  6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB
>
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> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>
Those ideas look great!  But I agree with Steven, I think it would require
much more than a theme to get that functionality working.
Great work though!  That concept looks very usable!

-Dan Staley
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From rakshat at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 06:35:00 2009
From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:35:00 -0700
Subject: Auto home page on applications
In-Reply-To: <1a9a6b160909300050r61765b8ehd70af5a919ca1bc1@mail.gmail.com>
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Forwarding this to the community list for information.

Rakshat

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From: RANJAN <infibit at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:50 AM
Subject: Auto home page on applications
To: rakshat hooja <rakshat at gmail.com>
Cc: zoheb ansari <zoheb at idasystems.net>


Hi,

Uploaded the page of autohome on applications page :
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Auto_Home

Regards
Sriranjan
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From jeff.sadowski at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 06:42:24 2009
From: jeff.sadowski at gmail.com (Jeff Sadowski)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:42:24 -0600
Subject: Internal pressure sensor
In-Reply-To: <200909301718.33537.mikeumo@gmail.com>
References: <200909302318.52186.ml@chonyota.net>
	<200909301718.33537.mikeumo@gmail.com>
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On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Mikhail Umorin <mikeumo at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 September 2009 16:18:51 Christoph Mair wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I successfully added a pressure sensor to my Freerunner. The BMP085 chip
>> from Bosch Sensortec is a small (5x5x1.5mm) chip which includes a pressure
>> and a temperature sensor. Power and I2C is enough to get it working. I
>> glued it next to the BT antenna. The wiki page contains some pictures:
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/I2C_Pressure_Sensor
>> Sourcecode is available from http://gitorious.org/freerunner-navigation-
>> board/bmp085
>>
>> Christoph
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
> Cool!
>
> can be very helpful during mountain hiking (not that GPS does not help already
> -- but it may not be always available)
>

I'm wondering how much battery it draws probably not much but for
backing trips it might not be all that useful.
Bring extra charged batteries? What do others do for backpacking
trips. Seems all cellphones eat batteries and aren't smart enough to
stop searching for a signal when there is none.

> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From infibit at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 06:49:00 2009
From: infibit at gmail.com (RANJAN)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:19:00 +0530
Subject: Performance of the accelerometer on FR
In-Reply-To: <1a9a6b160909301310j4875bccs110e6ec123988b13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a9a6b160909301310j4875bccs110e6ec123988b13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1a9a6b160909302149n57835ea9pae094c4f345c5119@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
> >I have been testing the accelerometers on the free runner via bluetooth at
> 38400 bps.Here is my test video:
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdads8XAYcE<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdads8XAYcE>
>
> >I think at 38400 it is not pretty real time.What could be the maximum
> refresh rate of the accelerometers?And what is the best way >to read this
> data.Is 38400 is the maximum speed that can be achieved with the bluetooth
> on FR?
>
> >Anyone any idea?
>
> >Sriranjan
>


Hi,

What are the accelerometers used in the FR (company and model number)?I
think it might be Freescale's MMA7260.If it is it has selectable
sensitivities in the range of +/- 1.5 g to 6 g what has been selected in the
free runner.What I observed is that the Free runner is able to detect shocks
as in if a person is running it will work well to detect such shocks.Also if
one has to use it to shuffle songs it will work well.

Please let me know.

Thanks and Regards
Sriranjan
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From monnier at iro.umontreal.ca  Thu Oct  1 07:09:48 2009
From: monnier at iro.umontreal.ca (Stefan Monnier)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:09:48 -0400
Subject: [SHR-u] black screen of death on resume
References: <20090925134549.GB26708@roque.1407.org>
	<abaa3a210909290855w563957baib74ad97530228c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090929161507.GB10223@roque.1407.org>
	<abaa3a210909291014p7ba2894ds6409b17c4f7265e6@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090929214230.GD10223@roque.1407.org>
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	<20090930141846.GC9030@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <jwvy6nv1z4a.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org>

>> This used to be a feature implemented in the earlier kernels, and was
>> later dropped.  Has it been re-added?  If so, in which kernel version?
>> In Debian's 2.6.29 it doesn't seem to be present.

> root at om-gta02 ~ $ uname -a
> Linux om-gta02 2.6.29-rc3 #1 PREEMPT Tue Sep 1 23:03:59 CEST 2009
> armv4tl unknown

There are many different 2.6.29 versions when it comes to the FR, sadly.
But IIUC you're saying that your phone using the abov kernel does
shutdown if you keep the power button pressed for 8s?

> I think this is a feature that is at a lower level than the kernel...

I'm pretty sure that's not the case.  It may be implemented at
a higher-level, tho.  But I also remember seeing a patch submitted for
the kernel to re-add the feature.  I just don't know if it made it into
"the official FR kernel" (which sadly, doesn't seem to exist),


        Stefan




From monnier at iro.umontreal.ca  Thu Oct  1 07:12:02 2009
From: monnier at iro.umontreal.ca (Stefan Monnier)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:12:02 -0400
Subject: Freerunner in real world
References: <20090914084421.224660@gmx.net> <20090914090902.GB4970@jama>
	<m2fxapkhu4.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<8b48b1570909290647j79007632x7f692e32a7b349ca@mail.gmail.com>
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> It's only displayed when dumb battery is inserted.

Duh!  So there is code that can automatically detect when a dumb-battery
is inserted, but the kernel's driver isn't able to automatically (and
dynamically) choose which driver to use?  Sounds like there's room
for improvement.


        Stefan




From baruch at ev-en.org  Thu Oct  1 09:03:19 2009
From: baruch at ev-en.org (Baruch Even)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 09:03:19 +0200
Subject: Internal pressure sensor
In-Reply-To: <259313d70909302142qacdd3c7o11be21c1281d2af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200909302318.52186.ml@chonyota.net>	<200909301718.33537.mikeumo@gmail.com>
	<259313d70909302142qacdd3c7o11be21c1281d2af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC45437.9030004@ev-en.org>

Jeff Sadowski wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Mikhail Umorin <mikeumo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wednesday 30 September 2009 16:18:51 Christoph Mair wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I successfully added a pressure sensor to my Freerunner. The BMP085 chip
>>> from Bosch Sensortec is a small (5x5x1.5mm) chip which includes a pressure
>>> and a temperature sensor. Power and I2C is enough to get it working. I
>>> glued it next to the BT antenna. The wiki page contains some pictures:
>>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/I2C_Pressure_Sensor
>>> Sourcecode is available from http://gitorious.org/freerunner-navigation-
>>> board/bmp085
>>>
>>> Christoph
>> Cool!
>>
>> can be very helpful during mountain hiking (not that GPS does not help already
>> -- but it may not be always available)
>>
> 
> I'm wondering how much battery it draws probably not much but for
> backing trips it might not be all that useful.
> Bring extra charged batteries? What do others do for backpacking
> trips. Seems all cellphones eat batteries and aren't smart enough to
> stop searching for a signal when there is none.

In shr-settings you can set the GSM to off and conserve batteries this way.

When GSM is on the normal approach is to want a cell coverage if there 
is any so near-constant searching is logical. It is possible to create a 
   auto-conserving mode which turns the GSM on and let it work for some 
time and if there is no serving cell around turn it off for some period 
of time.

Baruch


From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 09:17:28 2009
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:17:28 +0200
Subject: Doom Updates in Progress -- Request from Distribution Maintainers
In-Reply-To: <1254339864391-3744923.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1254339864391-3744923.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <26fea52c0910010017s6a082327r3e6bcf805b2e3d8f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:44 PM, SCarlson <scottrcarlson at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Just like to say, I'm on it.
> I've installed the SHR image from May 09, that is where i'm starting, as I
> believe thats the latest SHR-Testing.
> Are there other distributions that need attention? I'd like to hit majority
> users first.. I assume that is SHR and Om2009? (Are there people running
> Om2009?).
>

I would suggest SHR Unstable
it's quite stable you know :)
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From perezdiez at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 09:24:18 2009
From: perezdiez at gmail.com (Jose Luis Perez Diez)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 09:24:18 +0200
Subject: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
In-Reply-To: <4AC3B20B.7060905@gmx.com>
References: <4AC31589.3050001@gmx.com>
	<792ba59f0909300330qe93b964gf109b6a888bf70b6@mail.gmail.com>
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El Wednesday, 30 de September de 2009 21:31:23 Thomas Franck va escriure:
> WAY more output.. but no successful boot.. :(
>
> still get the
> drivers/input/touchscreen/s3c2410_ts.c: stylus_updown lost event!
> drivers/input/touchscreen/s3c2410_ts.c:stylus_action bug.
> drivers/input/touchscreen/s3c2410_ts.c: stylus_updown lost event!
>
> and *loads* of other lines repeating in a loop, I think..

If those lines are repeating then the kernel has not panicked and is runing 
with a mounted rootfs.

You can try to ssh to the phone or see if it is recognized as an cdc-ethernet 
on the pc ( if you are using shr or om2009 that means the module g-eher is 
installed and the rootfs is mounted )



From larrycow at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 09:36:47 2009
From: larrycow at gmail.com (Olivier Migeot)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:36:47 +0200
Subject: [Shr-User] Offline SHR Manager - First Release 0.1
In-Reply-To: <4AC3AF38.60704@ev-en.org>
References: <4ABDFAB7.1080404@gmx.de> <4ABE5C2D.80102@ev-en.org>
	<389eeb980909280643n7c5dec90rce0da77f55293be8@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC288D4.1080307@ev-en.org>
	<389eeb980909300110y717a2e7dua5c500007c8d431b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC3AF38.60704@ev-en.org>
Message-ID: <389eeb980910010036y2624eab2r90d9b3958cf02292@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Baruch Even <baruch at ev-en.org> wrote:

> Ofcourse, it's at github: http://github.com/baruch/web-manager
>
> I used Vala.

Thanks. I'll look into it, but I'm not really familiar with Vala.
Though I'm aware it's probably a good choice performance-wise.

-- 
Olivier


From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Thu Oct  1 09:58:55 2009
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 09:58:55 +0200
Subject: QtMoko v13
Message-ID: <1254383936.23558.669.camel@rp-skunk>

Hi,
i have uploaded new images for QtMoko on debian. It's stable
distribution based on Qtopia and Debian. For more info please check
project homepage

http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/
http://qtmoko.org

You can download images for NAND and SD card from this location:

http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/download/

and you can see screenshots here:

http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/screenshots/

Changes from previous version:

* Fixed touchscreen stops working after few suspends
* Fix occasionally critical battery even when full charged (Jim Morris)
* Fixed screen unblanking when plugged and full charged (Jim Morris)
* Auto DNS now works for GPRS (Radek Polak)
* Time on main screen by default (Radek Polak)
* Terminal has now correct font by default (Radek Polak)
* Restart QtExtended should be now more correct (Radek Polak)

This is mainly bug fixing release. Rootfs remains the same except qpe.sh
script and kernel and the main reason for the release is touchscreen
regression.

It seems that latest andy-tracking kernel makes touchscreen not working
after a few suspend/resumes cycles. I have seen this a few times and it
was also reported on mailing list.

I think the problem is in latest touchscreen related commits. I will
report this on kernel mailing list.

In v13 we now use now kernel before latest touchscreen changes were made
so hopefully the touchscreen will now work as expected.

Besides this we have more battery bug fixes thanks to Jim Morris so
maybe battery is now bug free? ;)

GPRS is now more simple to setup (APN, user name and password should be
enough).

So enjoy and thanks to everybody helped with this release

Cheers

Radek



From hersche at puzzle.ch  Thu Oct  1 10:53:46 2009
From: hersche at puzzle.ch (Vinzenz Hersche)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:53:46 +0200
Subject: QtMoko v13
In-Reply-To: <1254383936.23558.669.camel@rp-skunk>
References: <1254383936.23558.669.camel@rp-skunk>
Message-ID: <200910011053.46814.hersche@puzzle.ch>

what do you think, when should the no incomming-sms-bug be fixed?
this would be realy nice.. if gsm is bugfree, it's better than batterythings 
:)

but except of this, thx for the great work!
looks nice.. :)

Am Donnerstag, 1. Oktober 2009 09.58:55 schrieb Radek Polak:
> Hi,
> i have uploaded new images for QtMoko on debian. It's stable
> distribution based on Qtopia and Debian. For more info please check
> project homepage
> 
> http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/
> http://qtmoko.org
> 
> You can download images for NAND and SD card from this location:
> 
> http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/download/
> 
> and you can see screenshots here:
> 
> http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/screenshots/
> 
> Changes from previous version:
> 
> * Fixed touchscreen stops working after few suspends
> * Fix occasionally critical battery even when full charged (Jim Morris)
> * Fixed screen unblanking when plugged and full charged (Jim Morris)
> * Auto DNS now works for GPRS (Radek Polak)
> * Time on main screen by default (Radek Polak)
> * Terminal has now correct font by default (Radek Polak)
> * Restart QtExtended should be now more correct (Radek Polak)
> 
> This is mainly bug fixing release. Rootfs remains the same except qpe.sh
> script and kernel and the main reason for the release is touchscreen
> regression.
> 
> It seems that latest andy-tracking kernel makes touchscreen not working
> after a few suspend/resumes cycles. I have seen this a few times and it
> was also reported on mailing list.
> 
> I think the problem is in latest touchscreen related commits. I will
> report this on kernel mailing list.
> 
> In v13 we now use now kernel before latest touchscreen changes were made
> so hopefully the touchscreen will now work as expected.
> 
> Besides this we have more battery bug fixes thanks to Jim Morris so
> maybe battery is now bug free? ;)
> 
> GPRS is now more simple to setup (APN, user name and password should be
> enough).
> 
> So enjoy and thanks to everybody helped with this release
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Radek
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 


From hersche at puzzle.ch  Thu Oct  1 10:58:10 2009
From: hersche at puzzle.ch (Vinzenz Hersche)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:58:10 +0200
Subject: [qtmoko] qt 4.6 directfb
In-Reply-To: <a4875c0e0909301147i55551e4dt8714b328c0ef2b19@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a4875c0e0909301147i55551e4dt8714b328c0ef2b19@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910011058.10941.hersche@puzzle.ch>

Am Mittwoch, 30. September 2009 20.47:41 schrieb mobi phil:
> Hello,
> 
> there is a statement on:
> http://qt.nokia.com/developer/qt-4.6-technology-preview
> 
> "Improved support for DirectFB"....
> 
> does any of you mean what was improved?? Maybe the day will come and we
>  will have the direcfb driver for glamo, and qtmoko could also benefit from
>  that
> 
i hope, there's a soon upgrade in qtmoko after the new qt-release..
it realy looks like good work!


From zimmermann at vdm-design.de  Thu Oct  1 11:49:51 2009
From: zimmermann at vdm-design.de (Thomas Zimmermann)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 11:49:51 +0200
Subject: tangogps 0.9.7 release
In-Reply-To: <20090921184337.72cf34f9@one>
References: <20090921184337.72cf34f9@one>
Message-ID: <200910011149.51474.zimmermann@vdm-design.de>

Am Montag 21 September 2009 18:43:37 schrieb Marcus Bauer:
> Heya out there!
> 
> First of all thanks for the many positive emails I got over the last
> months, motivating me to bring a new release of tangoGPS to the coolest
> open hardware gadget on earth - the openmoko phone.
> 
> The new features include:
> 
>  * overzoom until level 20
>  * upscaling of missing tiles
>  * a map scale indicator
>  * overhauled "this point" function
>    - easy measuring of distances and ways
>    - display of bearing = useful for navigation
>  * friend function simplified and you can now add a message
>    to your position
> 
> 
> As always, it runs well on your laptop/netbook too. The full release
> announcement is here:
> 
>  http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/News
> 
> I am currently looking for cool stories/photos/blog entries for
> featuring on the website. Thus send me your stories, pictures or links
> - be it on the Freerunner or any other device.
> 
> Have fun!
> Marcus

Hi,
i tried tangogps 0.9.7 on SHR today and it segfaults on zooming. So i assume 
that the runtimedepencies changed. Can you announce the runtimedepencies for 
it?
I installed all depencies mentioned in the debian lenny package:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
libatk-1.0-0 (1.20.0-r0) 
libcairo2 (1.8.0-r0)
libcurl4 (7.18.2-r1)
libexif12 (0.6.17-r0)
gconf-dbus (2.16.0+svnr641-r0)
libglib-2.0-0 (2.18.3-r1)
gtk+ (2.14.2-r1)
pango (1.22.0-r2)
libsqlite3-0 (3.6.5-r0)
libc6 (2.6.1-r16)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
But it still segfaults, plz help :)

Greets
Thomas


From Quakeman1 at gmx.net  Thu Oct  1 12:08:33 2009
From: Quakeman1 at gmx.net (Fox Mulder)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:08:33 +0200
Subject: Performance of the accelerometer on FR
In-Reply-To: <1a9a6b160909302149n57835ea9pae094c4f345c5119@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a9a6b160909301310j4875bccs110e6ec123988b13@mail.gmail.com>
	<1a9a6b160909302149n57835ea9pae094c4f345c5119@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC47FA1.3080300@gmx.net>

> What are the accelerometers used in the FR (company and model number)?I
> think it might be Freescale's MMA7260.If it is it has selectable
> sensitivities in the range of +/- 1.5 g to 6 g what has been selected in
> the free runner.What I observed is that the Free runner is able to
> detect shocks as in if a person is running it will work well to detect
> such shocks.Also if one has to use it to shuffle songs it will work well.

Freerunner uses the LIS302DL accelerometers from ST [1]. They can be
switched between +-2g and +-8g range and have a resolution of 8 bit per
axis. The sample rate can be selected between 100Hz and 400Hz. And they
inherit some nice functions like double click detection and zero-g
filtering.

Ciao,
     Rainer

[1] http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/12726/lis302dl.pdf


From maxposedon at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 12:53:20 2009
From: maxposedon at gmail.com (Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:53:20 +0300
Subject: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
In-Reply-To: <4AC3B20B.7060905@gmx.com>
References: <4AC31589.3050001@gmx.com>
	<792ba59f0909300330qe93b964gf109b6a888bf70b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC3B20B.7060905@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <792ba59f0910010353q4bd4a72bud4f38757136d3a5e@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/30/09, Thomas Franck <thomas.franck at gmx.com> wrote:
> Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau wrote:
>> So, try uboot.
>
> ok.. I tried uBoot again..
>
> WAY more output.. but no successful boot.. :(
>
> still get the
> drivers/input/touchscreen/s3c2410_ts.c: stylus_updown lost event!
> drivers/input/touchscreen/s3c2410_ts.c:stylus_action bug.
> drivers/input/touchscreen/s3c2410_ts.c: stylus_updown lost event!
>
> and *loads* of other lines repeating in a loop, I think..
>
> any chance of logging them? may help you guys?
>
> I'm preparing myself to buy a new FR.. so sad.. :(
> --
> Thomas
Try NOR uBoot (at least I use that),
also, you shouldn't by new FR, just boot from SD is always a solution.

Also you can try reflash (kernel and rootfs) of some known to work version.


From tanuva at googlemail.com  Thu Oct  1 13:32:06 2009
From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:32:06 +0200
Subject: Basic Neo 2.0 layout for Illume keyboard
Message-ID: <1254396726.5962.18.camel@d-wwow>

Hello,

I've created a basic Neo 2.0 layout based on the German QWERTZ layout
file for the Illume keyboard. It has only the first layer with letters,
but that's enough for most sms imho. Additionally, I changed the
apostrophe/slash key from these chars to : and ), more useful for
smileys in sms since I don't use apostrophes that much, just eat
valuable space. :)

Already added to the wiki:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume_keyboard#List_of_layouts

Direct download:
http://d-a300.selfip.net/files/Neo%202.0.kbd

--
Marcel



From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 13:52:18 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:52:18 +0200
Subject: Paroli Theme/UI proposals
In-Reply-To: <a1951fe20909301901j604f7331na5ad454056791465@mail.gmail.com>
References: <96dfad1e0909301426ke31ffe5le11b8a1155220e85@mail.gmail.com> 
	<5f6db60d0909301531q49ff19d5o439452cf236fc323@mail.gmail.com> 
	<a1951fe20909301901j604f7331na5ad454056791465@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc80910010452y65fb90b6x1c061316a6bb0371@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 4:01 AM, Dan Staley <daniel.l.staley at gmail.com> wrote:
> Those ideas look great!? But I agree with Steven, I think it would require
> much more than a theme to get that functionality working.

I dont think so.

Best regards,
 Laszlo


From erik at lists.lun.nu  Thu Oct  1 13:21:19 2009
From: erik at lists.lun.nu (Erik Lundin)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:21:19 +0200
Subject: QtMoko v13
In-Reply-To: <1254383936.23558.669.camel@rp-skunk>
References: <1254383936.23558.669.camel@rp-skunk>
Message-ID: <4AC490AF.4060700@lists.lun.nu>

Hi,

I installed v12 a couple of days ago and like it. Is there a way to 
upgrade to v13 without losing my settings?

Regards,
Erik



From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 13:51:17 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:51:17 +0200
Subject: Paroli Theme/UI proposals
In-Reply-To: <96dfad1e0909301426ke31ffe5le11b8a1155220e85@mail.gmail.com>
References: <96dfad1e0909301426ke31ffe5le11b8a1155220e85@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc80910010451q197a65aawb503f48ac3c68973@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Jon Kristian Nilsen
<jokr.nilsen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Now these are just mock-ups, but ihmo pretty god ones. I've spent quality
> time thinking about user friendliness and what I'd like to see:) Ofcourse
> I've probably missed

Just some remarks;)

1: Try to put these pictures on the Freerunner, to see how it feels.
There are view
image viewer out there, or you can even write a simple elementary
application for it.

On my 15.4" laptop, the freerunner screen is equal to a 176x235 pixel rectangle.
So if you scale your images to this size, you can observe a few things.
Lets talk about the main screen:
http://jonkristian.no/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/main.jpg

Apart from the clock, none of the texts are readable. I can read some,
if I seriously
try, but my mom cant read it for sure.
To demonstrate it, here is a resized, blurred image (just apply
gaussian blur in gimp):
http://laszlo.krekacs.googlepages.com/paroli-ui-proposal.png

So there are some key texts which are not readable at all. There is no
rule (yet), for the
minimum text size on paroli, but I try to avoid all small texts.

So could you please repost your proposal with much bigger texts?;)

Its a huge rework I know.

2. Button sizes
Also there should be some rules for the minimum size of a button. Currently
the back buttons are 159x69 pixel, and the calculator has a button size of
96pixel at least in one direction. so I would say 96x48 pixel should
be the minimum
of a button.

Even if the button is not looks like as 96pixel wide or tall, the
clicking area should be
that big. An excellent example your own gallery site, where the PREV and NEXT
buttons' clicking area are 240x640pixel rectangle.

3. No idea what is the 23 number of the upper left corner of clock.
Should be 42, no?;)

4. Although Im not a designer at any means, but I think the pixelized
icons does not really
much with the smoothed texts.

5. The displayed numbers of incoming and outgoing calls are almost
unreadable. Should be way bigger.

6. In the current paroli gui, there are quite a big role of sliding
left and right. Its a nice screen size saver.
I think its totally lacks your design.

7. If you are seriously thinking to implement this gui in paroli, I
really suggest you, to try to draw some of the screen
in inkscape. It helps the implementation a lot.

8. There are many eyecandy in your image, which takes *time* to
implement it, and also slows down the gui a little. Im thinking about
all the gradient at the edge of each button, or the sms text view.

Other than that, I really like your proposal, there are some aspects
on which Im already working.
For example the background image:
http://jonkristian.no/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/main_custom_background.jpg

I also like some of your icons a lot, especially for the toolbars.

Im working (right now) of putting the paroli's topbar at the bottom to
be a bottombar;)
It is because the top is reserved for illume topbar, and two topbars
does not make sense. Especially, when its hard to touch the edge of
the screen. Would you mind to put the topbar at the bottom in your
proposal?

Are you also interested in implementing your gui? I would be more than
happy to mentoring you.

Best regards,
 Laszlo


From ccc94453 at vip.cybercity.dk  Thu Oct  1 14:40:30 2009
From: ccc94453 at vip.cybercity.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:40:30 +0200
Subject: [SHR-u] black screen of death on resume
In-Reply-To: <20090930141846.GC9030@roque.1407.org>
References: <20090925134549.GB26708@roque.1407.org>
	<abaa3a210909290855w563957baib74ad97530228c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090929161507.GB10223@roque.1407.org>
	<abaa3a210909291014p7ba2894ds6409b17c4f7265e6@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090929214230.GD10223@roque.1407.org>
	<jwveipo4jd6.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org>
	<20090930141846.GC9030@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <20091001124029.GQ8873@vip.cybercity.dk>

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 03:18:47PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:

> I think this is a feature that is at a lower level than the kernel...

   Yes, the PMU has this feature, but it is not enabled.

-- 
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year


From ccc94453 at vip.cybercity.dk  Thu Oct  1 14:51:15 2009
From: ccc94453 at vip.cybercity.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:51:15 +0200
Subject: Performance of the accelerometer on FR
In-Reply-To: <1a9a6b160909302149n57835ea9pae094c4f345c5119@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a9a6b160909301310j4875bccs110e6ec123988b13@mail.gmail.com>
	<1a9a6b160909302149n57835ea9pae094c4f345c5119@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091001125114.GR8873@vip.cybercity.dk>

On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 10:19:00AM +0530, RANJAN wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> What are the accelerometers used in the FR (company and model number)?I
> think it might be Freescale's MMA7260.

   I have no idea why you think they might be Freescale MMA7260. The wiki[1]
clearly says that they are LIS302DL from ST Microelectronics.

[1] https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware#Accelerometers

-- 
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year


From fredrik.normann.junk at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 14:56:39 2009
From: fredrik.normann.junk at gmail.com (fredrik normann)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:56:39 +0200
Subject: Paroli Theme/UI proposals
In-Reply-To: <a1951fe20909301901j604f7331na5ad454056791465@mail.gmail.com>
References: <96dfad1e0909301426ke31ffe5le11b8a1155220e85@mail.gmail.com>
	<5f6db60d0909301531q49ff19d5o439452cf236fc323@mail.gmail.com>
	<a1951fe20909301901j604f7331na5ad454056791465@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c14791670910010556s36c7eab0rcacee8a6ef9c3aa1@mail.gmail.com>

Very nice +++

-f-

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 4:01 AM, Dan Staley <daniel.l.staley at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Steven Le Roux <steven at le-roux.info>wrote:
>
>> It's just Brilliant !!
>> I would love to use that ! But maybe it should be a different project than
>> paroli because I think it more than a theme which is needed to approach your
>> mockups
>>
>>  On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Jon Kristian Nilsen <
>> jokr.nilsen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Long overdue, but here it comes:)
>>>
>>> As mentioned a couple of times on irc, I've been working on a few ideas
>>> I've had regarding paroli.
>>> What got me interested in this was the post to the ML some time ago:
>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-May/048133.html
>>>
>>> Now these are just mock-ups, but ihmo pretty god ones. I've spent quality
>>> time thinking about user friendliness and what I'd like to see:) Ofcourse
>>> I've probably missed
>>> out a few bit's and pieces here and there, heck, I don't even know if
>>> it's doable, but I will let others be the judge of that, since im not
>>> familiar with the code.
>>>
>>> It's all explained in my post and under each picture, so I hope you guys
>>> understand my thoughts even though English is my 2nd language:D
>>>
>>> Hope you guys like my work:
>>> http://jonkristian.no/2009/08/paroli-ui-theme-proposals/
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Jon Kristian Nilsen
>>> --
>>> http://jonkristian.no
>>> http://divineintervention.no
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Openmoko community mailing list
>>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Steven Le Roux
>> Jabber-ID : Steven at jabber.fr
>> 0x39494CCB <steven at le-roux.info>
>> 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0  6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>>
> Those ideas look great!  But I agree with Steven, I think it would require
> much more than a theme to get that functionality working.
> Great work though!  That concept looks very usable!
>
> -Dan Staley
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From infibit at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 15:34:05 2009
From: infibit at gmail.com (RANJAN)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:04:05 +0530
Subject: Performance of the accelerometer on FR
In-Reply-To: <4AC47FA1.3080300@gmx.net>
References: <1a9a6b160909301310j4875bccs110e6ec123988b13@mail.gmail.com>
	<1a9a6b160909302149n57835ea9pae094c4f345c5119@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC47FA1.3080300@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <1a9a6b160910010634h16da845gbdb5b089d7127738@mail.gmail.com>

> >Freerunner uses the LIS302DL accelerometers from ST [1]. They can be
> >switched between +-2g and +-8g range and have a resolution of 8 bit per
> >axis. The sample rate can be selected between 100Hz and 400Hz. And they
> >inherit some nice functions like double click detection and zero-g
> >filtering.
>
So can the selectivity be changed on the FR?And can the sample rate be
changed as well?Even if one is able to change the sample rate can one read
the values at the same frequency?

Sriranjan
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From infibit at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 15:46:53 2009
From: infibit at gmail.com (RANJAN)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:16:53 +0530
Subject: Performance of the accelerometer on FR
In-Reply-To: <20091001125114.GR8873@vip.cybercity.dk>
References: <1a9a6b160909301310j4875bccs110e6ec123988b13@mail.gmail.com>
	<1a9a6b160909302149n57835ea9pae094c4f345c5119@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091001125114.GR8873@vip.cybercity.dk>
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>
>    I have no idea why you think they might be Freescale MMA7260. The
> wiki[1]
> clearly says that they are LIS302DL from ST Microelectronics.
>
> [1] https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware#Accelerometers
>
> Oh ok.Thanks.But can the sensitivities selection configurable and can the
sample rate be changed?And what is the fastest way to read the accelerometer
values.Also is 38400 bps the max baud rate of the bluetooth on FR?

Sriranjan
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From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 16:17:22 2009
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:17:22 +0200
Subject: Doom Updates in Progress -- Request from Distribution Maintainers
In-Reply-To: <26fea52c0910010017s6a082327r3e6bcf805b2e3d8f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1254339864391-3744923.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<26fea52c0910010017s6a082327r3e6bcf805b2e3d8f@mail.gmail.com>
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On 10/1/09, Yorick Moko <yorickmoko at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:44 PM, SCarlson <scottrcarlson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Just like to say, I'm on it.
>> I've installed the SHR image from May 09, that is where i'm starting, as I
>> believe thats the latest SHR-Testing.
>> Are there other distributions that need attention? I'd like to hit
>> majority
>> users first.. I assume that is SHR and Om2009? (Are there people running
>> Om2009?).
>>
>
> I would suggest SHR Unstable
> it's quite stable you know :)
>

Keep in mind just packaging doom won't work. You need to work on it to
use changed accelerometers interface to match new kernels.

-- 
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
dos


From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 16:20:55 2009
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:20:55 +0200
Subject: Freerunner in real world
In-Reply-To: <jwvske31yyh.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org>
References: <20090914084421.224660@gmx.net>
	<8b48b1570909290647j79007632x7f692e32a7b349ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170909290709y1f399acdubd8c47f1c8a280c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b48b1570909290749s57e72b33yf8d9550a8c5783b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170909290753l3d8fe22cma106626eddd27444@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b48b1570909290805j20609da0m560c1ad02cbc93cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170909290808p2a70db70ndd600a003c9ffa1d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1254265285.23387.367.camel@rattus>
	<c30e08170909300832q4d880c2q4441137a4214c69c@mail.gmail.com>
	<jwvske31yyh.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org>
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On 10/1/09, Stefan Monnier <monnier at iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
>> It's only displayed when dumb battery is inserted.
>
> Duh!  So there is code that can automatically detect when a dumb-battery
> is inserted, but the kernel's driver isn't able to automatically (and
> dynamically) choose which driver to use?  Sounds like there's room
> for improvement.
>
>
>         Stefan

Well, it was simplification from my side. When CC won't respond for a
while or there will be no battery inserted, SHR Settings will also
display that button.

-- 
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
dos


From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 16:32:25 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:32:25 +0200
Subject: Paroli Theme/UI proposals
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc80910010451q197a65aawb503f48ac3c68973@mail.gmail.com>
References: <96dfad1e0909301426ke31ffe5le11b8a1155220e85@mail.gmail.com> 
	<c4cd0cc80910010451q197a65aawb503f48ac3c68973@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc80910010732l6ed69135u9e7719e998f1c6ba@mail.gmail.com>

> Just some remarks;)

Also could you post all your icons as separate .png files?
With a reasonable license. GPL is required for paroli.
(but you can dual-license, release it as public domain, etc)


Best regards,
 Laszlo


From jokr.nilsen at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 16:40:20 2009
From: jokr.nilsen at gmail.com (Jon Kristian Nilsen)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:40:20 -0700
Subject: Paroli Theme/UI proposals
Message-ID: <96dfad1e0910010740n285e5074r114e8565a4ec4168@mail.gmail.com>

 >So could you please repost your proposal with much bigger texts?;)

I believe your approach to this is wrong, my mockups contains elements that
for sure needs to be taken care of in the code,
this includes, if im not mistaken, text styles, sizes, shapes of boxes
etc...
Have you layed out a plan for this, I am interested to see what you come up
with.

Btw, out of curiosity, are you with the dev team?

>3. No idea what is the 23 number of the upper left corner of clock.
>Should be 42, no?;)

Just "second" indicator. It could be 42 if it was 19 seconds later:)

>4. Although Im not a designer at any means, but I think the pixelized
>icons does not really
>much with the smoothed texts.

I disagree here. However, I see now that I should've turned off smoothing,
just for the sake of visualization.

>5. The displayed numbers of incoming and outgoing calls are almost
>unreadable. Should be way bigger.

See my first comment. Text size should be considered at a later stage, also,
this is easy to change in code.

>6. In the current paroli gui, there are quite a big role of sliding
>left and right. Its a nice screen size saver.
>I think its totally lacks your design.

:)

>7. If you are seriously thinking to implement this gui in paroli, I
>really suggest you, to try to draw some of the screen
>in inkscape. It helps the implementation a lot.

I used photoshop for the mockups. If paroli devs are interested in working
on this, i will provide vectorized variants of what is needed,
but as my first comment states, there are alot of things here that should be
taken care of by the code.

>8. There are many eyecandy in your image, which takes *time* to
>implement it, and also slows down the gui a little. Im thinking about
>all the gradient at the edge of each button, or the sms text view.

As stated in my post, I am not sure about the limitation of the toolkit, I
am unsure if gradients and shapes might be taken care of by it.

>Other than that, I really like your proposal, there are some aspects
>on which Im already working.
>For example the background image:
http://jonkristian.no/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/main_custom_background.jpg

Can you elaborate? The background image is just used to show how it looks
with custom bg.

>I also like some of your icons a lot, especially for the toolbars.

:)

>Im working (right now) of putting the paroli's topbar at the bottom to
>be a bottombar;)
>It is because the top is reserved for illume topbar, and two topbars
>does not make sense. Especially, when its hard to touch the edge of
>the screen. Would you mind to put the topbar at the bottom in your
>proposal?

Yeah, in my posts I had an entry about that, I would mine, as it breaks the
normal flow.

>Are you also interested in implementing your gui? I would be more than
>happy to mentoring you.

Sure, but I am not a programmer, I would love to work closely with someone
who wants to do this.
I want feedback from devs and maybe set up a meeting. This needs to be
planned out.

Someone on this list has already mentioned that they don't belive this could
be re-programmed into paroli.

I would love to get some feedback from the paroli developers if this would
be possible or not?
It's also possible to discuss this more up-close on my site's comments, or
you can find me on #paroli, #openmoko-cdevel, #openmoko

Jon Kristian
-- 
http://jonkristian.no
http://divineintervention.no
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From stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk  Thu Oct  1 16:57:18 2009
From: stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk (Stroller)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:57:18 +0100
Subject: Internal pressure sensor
In-Reply-To: <200909302318.52186.ml@chonyota.net>
References: <200909302318.52186.ml@chonyota.net>
Message-ID: <08322B45-E48A-43BF-8F6C-8DE9478BFA65@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>


On 30 Sep 2009, at 22:18, Christoph Mair wrote:
> ...
> I successfully added a pressure sensor to my Freerunner. The BMP085  
> chip from
> Bosch Sensortec is a small (5x5x1.5mm) chip which includes a  
> pressure and a
> temperature sensor. Power and I2C is enough to get it working. I  
> glued it next
> to the BT antenna. The wiki page contains some pictures:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/I2C_Pressure_Sensor
> Sourcecode is available from http://gitorious.org/freerunner-navigation-
> board/bmp085

Cool! How accurate do you find it?

This makes the Freerunner a nice mobile for glider / hang-glider /  
paraglider pilots. They most always carry a varioaltimeter with them,  
and last time I flew (some years ago) GPS was beginning to have a  
significant impact upon that (niche) market. The combination of  
barometric pressure with groundspeed allows one to easily find the  
optimal speed-to-fly, allowing for head- or tail-wind on a glide  
between lift sources (thermals).

I'm sure that this sensor must be at least as accurate as those used  
in the cheap commercial ($250) varioaltimeters of 10 years ago, so it  
looks really good for this sport, if someone has the time to make a  
nice interface.

It would be interesting (for me, anyway) to test by climbing a small  
hill and see if the pressure difference is reflected accurately. 30m  
should be a good initial test.

Stroller.



From ccc94453 at vip.cybercity.dk  Thu Oct  1 14:32:49 2009
From: ccc94453 at vip.cybercity.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:32:49 +0200
Subject: Freerunner in real world
In-Reply-To: <8b48b1570909290647j79007632x7f692e32a7b349ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090914084421.224660@gmx.net> <20090914090902.GB4970@jama>
	<m2fxapkhu4.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<8b48b1570909290647j79007632x7f692e32a7b349ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091001123249.GP8873@vip.cybercity.dk>

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 03:47:59PM +0200, Michal Brzozowski wrote:
> 2009/9/14 Paul Fertser <fercerpav at gmail.com>
>
> > FR can and always could charge nokia batteries. Please read battery
> > questions and answers on the wiki.
>
> The wiki is not clear on this.

   Please say which wiki page is broken (so it can be fixed).

-- 
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year


From wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca  Thu Oct  1 17:42:00 2009
From: wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca (Warren Baird)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 11:42:00 -0400
Subject: [SHR-u] black screen of death on resume
In-Reply-To: <a1951fe20909250732g2253b26duf6df67d7cc655afe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090925134549.GB26708@roque.1407.org>
	<a1951fe20909250732g2253b26duf6df67d7cc655afe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b66a83e00910010842u42fdd954s410875aecb576135@mail.gmail.com>

I've noticed this a number of times on the SHR testing candidate.

Very annoying.  I've been lucky and haven't missed a call yet, but I'm sure
I will...

Warren


On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Dan Staley <daniel.l.staley at gmail.com>wrote:

> This has happened to me twice or so within the past week.
> I have no idea what's causing it.
>
> -Dan
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org>wrote:
>
>> Is anyone else noticing a black screen of death when
>> pressing the power button for resume?
>>
>> This has been happening to me since I upgrade about a week ago.
>>
>> Yesterday I upgraded gain, but it seems to be the same.
>>
>> This is happening to me in an yet undeterminated way, but quite
>> frequently, and regardless of status of NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS
>>
>> It looks like "off" since there's no ssh, no screen light, etc...
>> but if I keep the power button pressed for those magic 8 s then
>> it power's off and I can thus start it again.
>>
>> It has already cost me loosing a few calls.
>>
>> Rui
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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>
>


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From fabiolocati at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 17:42:37 2009
From: fabiolocati at gmail.com (Fabio Locati)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:42:37 +0200
Subject: [qtmoko] qt 4.6 directfb
In-Reply-To: <200910011058.10941.hersche@puzzle.ch>
References: <a4875c0e0909301147i55551e4dt8714b328c0ef2b19@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910011058.10941.hersche@puzzle.ch>
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The move from 4.4 to 4.5 have requested some times due to some
regressions that it would have implied. I hope that this change will
be more streightforward... but I haven0t looked into it, yet ;)

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Vinzenz Hersche <hersche at puzzle.ch> wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 30. September 2009 20.47:41 schrieb mobi phil:
>> Hello,
>>
>> there is a statement on:
>> http://qt.nokia.com/developer/qt-4.6-technology-preview
>>
>> "Improved support for DirectFB"....
>>
>> does any of you mean what was improved?? Maybe the day will come and we
>> ?will have the direcfb driver for glamo, and qtmoko could also benefit from
>> ?that
>>
> i hope, there's a soon upgrade in qtmoko after the new qt-release..
> it realy looks like good work!
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



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From ml at chonyota.net  Thu Oct  1 18:15:04 2009
From: ml at chonyota.net (Christoph Mair)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:15:04 +0200
Subject: Internal pressure sensor
In-Reply-To: <259313d70909302142qacdd3c7o11be21c1281d2af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200909302318.52186.ml@chonyota.net>
	<200909301718.33537.mikeumo@gmail.com>
	<259313d70909302142qacdd3c7o11be21c1281d2af@mail.gmail.com>
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Am Donnerstag 01 Oktober 2009 06:42:24 schrieben Sie:
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Mikhail Umorin <mikeumo at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 30 September 2009 16:18:51 Christoph Mair wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I successfully added a pressure sensor to my Freerunner. The BMP085 chip
> >> from Bosch Sensortec is a small (5x5x1.5mm) chip which includes a
> >> pressure and a temperature sensor. Power and I2C is enough to get it
> >> working. I glued it next to the BT antenna. The wiki page contains some
> >> pictures: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/I2C_Pressure_Sensor
> >> Sourcecode is available from http://gitorious.org/freerunner-navigation-
> >> board/bmp085
> >>
> >> Christoph
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Openmoko community mailing list
> >> community at lists.openmoko.org
> >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
> > Cool!
> >
> > can be very helpful during mountain hiking (not that GPS does not help
> > already -- but it may not be always available)
> 
> I'm wondering how much battery it draws probably not much but for
> backing trips it might not be all that useful.
From the datasheet:
The sensor uses about 0.1?A in standby and 12?A for one sample per second. If 
you don't need the highest resolution this gets down to 3?A per sample per 
second and scales linear with the sample rate.

Regards,
  Christoph


From thomas.franck at gmx.com  Thu Oct  1 18:46:58 2009
From: thomas.franck at gmx.com (Thomas Franck)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:46:58 +0200
Subject: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
In-Reply-To: <792ba59f0910010353q4bd4a72bud4f38757136d3a5e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC31589.3050001@gmx.com>	<792ba59f0909300330qe93b964gf109b6a888bf70b6@mail.gmail.com>	<4AC3B20B.7060905@gmx.com>
	<792ba59f0910010353q4bd4a72bud4f38757136d3a5e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC4DD02.7090402@gmx.com>

Hi..!

Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau wrote:
> Try NOR uBoot (at least I use that),

will try that when I'm home.. Joachim Ott also suggested I try NOR boot
and I did without success.. (with Qi installed, though)


> also, you shouldn't by new FR, just boot from SD is always a solution.

right.. haven't tried that yet.. will give it a go tonight, too..
thanks for your input!


> Also you can try reflash (kernel and rootfs) of some known to work version.

I flashed the versions I used before.. so known to work for me.. :)

-- 
Thomas

-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
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From jedi.theone at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 19:14:30 2009
From: jedi.theone at gmail.com (Jed)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 03:14:30 +1000
Subject: Universal Remote for CE/HA? (openmoko)
In-Reply-To: <4AC3AF37.6010205@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.6251.1254259301.32323.community@lists.openmoko.org>
	<4AC2E3BD.6010001@gmail.com> <4AC3AF37.6010205@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC4E376.80403@gmail.com>

>>> I glued a infrared led into the aux key for this purpose. Did someone 
>>> already try to compile lirc for the FR? My attempt to just 'bitbake' 
>>> it failed (missing kernel configuration).
>>
>> Hmmm, wonder if some of the other hand-held platforms do have IR? 
>> Surely there's at least one device?! 
>> Lets see there's: Android devices, Maemo devices, Axim x5xx (kinda), any others?

Any ideas on this anyone?

Thanks!



From montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 20:14:58 2009
From: montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com (Steven **)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:14:58 -0500
Subject: [SHR-u] black screen of death on resume
In-Reply-To: <20090929161507.GB10223@roque.1407.org>
References: <20090925134549.GB26708@roque.1407.org>
	<abaa3a210909290855w563957baib74ad97530228c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090929161507.GB10223@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <abaa3a210910011114t169f3fb1n13c5c566c3ffb46d@mail.gmail.com>

Can you get phone calls while experiencing this BSOD?  As in, you hear
the ringing, but you can't accept the call?

-Steven

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at ansol.org> wrote:
> Mine is much more frequent (I've even disabled suspend, drastically
> reducing the availability time of my device).
>
> However, if you press and hold the power button from about 8 s the
> device will power off without you needing to open the case and pull
> the battery off.
>
> Rui


From mok at mnet-online.de  Thu Oct  1 20:08:19 2009
From: mok at mnet-online.de (Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:08:19 +0200
Subject: tangogps 0.9.7 release
In-Reply-To: <200910011149.51474.zimmermann@vdm-design.de>
References: <20090921184337.72cf34f9@one>
	<200910011149.51474.zimmermann@vdm-design.de>
Message-ID: <200910012008.19714.mok@mnet-online.de>

Am Donnerstag 01 Oktober 2009 11:49:51 schrieb Thomas Zimmermann:
> Am Montag 21 September 2009 18:43:37 schrieb Marcus Bauer:
> > Heya out there!
> >
> > First of all thanks for the many positive emails I got over the last
> > months, motivating me to bring a new release of tangoGPS to the coolest
> > open hardware gadget on earth - the openmoko phone.
> >
> > The new features include:
> >
> >  * overzoom until level 20
> >  * upscaling of missing tiles
> >  * a map scale indicator
> >  * overhauled "this point" function
> >    - easy measuring of distances and ways
> >    - display of bearing = useful for navigation
> >  * friend function simplified and you can now add a message
> >    to your position
> >
> >
> > As always, it runs well on your laptop/netbook too. The full release
> > announcement is here:
> >
> >  http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/News
> >
> > I am currently looking for cool stories/photos/blog entries for
> > featuring on the website. Thus send me your stories, pictures or links
> > - be it on the Freerunner or any other device.
> >
> > Have fun!
> > Marcus
> 
> Hi,
> i tried tangogps 0.9.7 on SHR today and it segfaults on zooming. So i
>  assume that the runtimedepencies changed. Can you announce the
>  runtimedepencies for it?
> I installed all depencies mentioned in the debian lenny package:
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------------------------------- libatk-1.0-0 (1.20.0-r0)
> libcairo2 (1.8.0-r0)
> libcurl4 (7.18.2-r1)
> libexif12 (0.6.17-r0)
> gconf-dbus (2.16.0+svnr641-r0)
> libglib-2.0-0 (2.18.3-r1)
> gtk+ (2.14.2-r1)
> pango (1.22.0-r2)
> libsqlite3-0 (3.6.5-r0)
> libc6 (2.6.1-r16)
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------------------------------- But it still segfaults, plz help :)

running under gdb gives the following backtrace:

#0  0x00000008 in ?? ()                             
#1  0x40b2aafc in g_object_unref () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#2  0x00029210 in load_tile (dir=0x82358 "/home/root/Maps/OSM", zoom=256, 
x=66, y=44, offset_x=-249, offset_y=211)
    at map_management.c:64                                                                                        
#3  0x00029810 in fill_tiles_pixel (pixel_x=533600, pixel_y=-45, zoom=0) at 
map_management.c:247                  
#4  0x0002fe28 in map_redraw (p=<value optimized out>) at tile_management.c:65                                    
#5  0x40b83168 in g_timeout_dispatch () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0                                            
#6  0x40b82ca0 in g_main_context_dispatch () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0                                       
#7  0x40b855c4 in g_main_context_iterate () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0                                        
#8  0x40b857fc in g_main_loop_run () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0                                               
#9  0x40138964 in gtk_main () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0                                                   
#10 0x0000f850 in main (argc=0, argv=0x1) at main.c:62                                                            
(gdb) bt full
#0  0x00000008 in ?? ()
No symbol table info available.
#1  0x40b2aafc in g_object_unref () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
No locals.
#2  0x00029210 in load_tile (dir=0x82358 "/home/root/Maps/OSM", zoom=256, 
x=66, y=44, offset_x=-249, offset_y=211)
    at map_management.c:64
        overzoom = <value optimized out>
        upscale = <value optimized out>
        filename = "/home/root/Maps/OSM/7/66/43.png", '\0' <repeats 224 times>
#3  0x00029810 in fill_tiles_pixel (pixel_x=533600, pixel_y=-45, zoom=0) at 
map_management.c:247
        widget = (GtkWidget *) 0x2d
        i = -1
        j = 1704696
        height = <value optimized out>
        tile_x0 = 0
        tile_y0 = 1086860968
        offset_xn = 0
        offset_yn = 211
        offset_x = 196028
        offset_y = 1086391600
        repo = (repo_t *) 0x2f3158
        __PRETTY_FUNCTION__ = "fill_tiles_pixel"
#4  0x0002fe28 in map_redraw (p=<value optimized out>) at tile_management.c:65
        number_threads = 0
#5  0x40b83168 in g_timeout_dispatch () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
No locals.
#6  0x40b82ca0 in g_main_context_dispatch () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
No locals.
#7  0x40b855c4 in g_main_context_iterate () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
No locals.
#8  0x40b857fc in g_main_loop_run () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
No locals.
#9  0x40138964 in gtk_main () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
No locals.
#10 0x0000f850 in main (argc=0, argv=0x1) at main.c:62
No locals.

-- 

Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann


From edorfaus at xepher.net  Thu Oct  1 20:36:02 2009
From: edorfaus at xepher.net (EdorFaus)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:36:02 +0200
Subject: Paroli Theme/UI proposals
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc80910010451q197a65aawb503f48ac3c68973@mail.gmail.com>
	(sfid-20091001_151400_957305_FFFFFFFFAAABA6FC)
References: <96dfad1e0909301426ke31ffe5le11b8a1155220e85@mail.gmail.com>
	<c4cd0cc80910010451q197a65aawb503f48ac3c68973@mail.gmail.com>
	(sfid-20091001_151400_957305_FFFFFFFFAAABA6FC)
Message-ID: <4AC4F692.8010804@xepher.net>

Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> 1: Try to put these pictures on the Freerunner, to see how it feels.
> There are view
> image viewer out there, or you can even write a simple elementary
> application for it.

Did you try this yourself? I just did.

(I used Neon (package om-neon) as image viewer, clicking the button for 
1:1 size, scrolling up and down as needed to see everything.)

> On my 15.4" laptop, the freerunner screen is equal to a 176x235 pixel rectangle.
> So if you scale your images to this size, you can observe a few things.

> To demonstrate it, here is a resized, blurred image (just apply
> gaussian blur in gimp):

This approach doesn't work. Especially the blurring is wrong.

The Freerunner screen has a lot more pixels in the same physical size, 
so it is much sharper than your computer screen - resizing down like 
that loses information, and then the blur makes it even worse, and moves 
the result even further away from the FR's screen.

Basically, to see what it's actually like, using the Neo itself (or 
something else with the same kind of high-DPI screen) is essential.

> Lets talk about the main screen:
> http://jonkristian.no/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/main.jpg
> 
> Apart from the clock, none of the texts are readable. I can read some,
> if I seriously
> try, but my mom cant read it for sure.

For me, on the actual FR (instead of your blurred image, which isn't 
representative at all IMHO), most of the text on that image is easily 
readable at arm's length for me.

The only things that are slightly hard to read are the next/previous 
texts at the very top. Holding the FR closer, like I would in normal 
use, I don't have a problem reading those either. Also, they have more 
than enough space around them to be enlarged if necessary.

The text on the icons is the same size, and isn't really a big problem 
either - especially since you'll usually remember the buttons by the 
icon without needing to read the text. They don't have quite as much 
space to be enlarged in though.


However, the text in the information bubbles (see for example the
http://jonkristian.no/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/telephony_info.jpg
image) seems a bit too small to me.

While I can read it, I have to hold the screen rather close to do it 
comfortably, and wouldn't bet on anyone much older than me being able to 
read it at all.

I'm not sure if it's really any smaller than on the icons, but they use 
only capital letters, making it seem larger, and have more space around.

The 4 lines of information is most likely the biggest problem, as it 
forces the text to be too small and dense for it to be very readable.

I guess that 2 lines would probably be enough for the purpose of making 
the most essential information be visible quickly, while allowing the 
text size to be readable. 3 lines *might* work.

Information density, while good, is not the most important aspect here.


> 3. No idea what is the 23 number of the upper left corner of clock.
> Should be 42, no?;)

I'm guessing that this is the seconds - which, if I'm right, would be 
obvious in the actual interface. :)


> 4. Although Im not a designer at any means, but I think the pixelized
> icons does not really
> much with the smoothed texts.

I'm not a designer either, and don't usually care much how things look 
as long as they're usable. So you should take everything I say with more 
than the usual grain of salt, enough possibly to cause sodium poisoning, 
utterly breaking down the entire metaphor...

In this case, it seems mostly just a somewhat retro look, with icons 
that should be recognizable from lower-resolution devices, without 
artificially making the text harder to read. Looks fairly good to me.

In any case, I'd guess that the icons should be fairly easy to theme 
without changing the rest of the interface.

> 5. The displayed numbers of incoming and outgoing calls are almost
> unreadable. Should be way bigger.

While I don't think it's unreadable, I also feel the number should be 
quite a bit larger, especially on incoming.

On incoming, I see the reason why the keypad is there, and the 
accept/reject buttons could use some more size to be easy to hit.

The image of the person, too - as is, it's so small that you can't 
really recognize the person IMO.

I don't see the name anywhere, shouldn't that be displayed too?
(I assume the caller must already be known, since there's an image...)

In the phonebook (phonebook.jpg image), I feel the size of the name 
should be larger than the size of the phone number, as I think it would 
usually be the name you're looking for (so that's the more important bit 
of information). Or at least the same size as the number.

----
OK, a new message popped up while writing; responding to that now, as 
it's rather related...


Jon Kristian Nilsen wrote:
>  my mockups contains elements that
> for sure needs to be taken care of in the code,
> this includes, if im not mistaken, text styles, sizes, shapes of boxes
> etc...

> See my first comment. Text size should be considered at a later stage, also,
> this is easy to change in code.

While text sizes and such definitely need to be taken care of in code 
(otherwise they'd all be the same default size), I think that the text 
size especially needs to be a part of the design and usability stuff.

In large part this is because there's limited space available, so just 
enlarging the text later might break parts of the design (e.g. starts to 
overlap icons or other text, or needing more than one line to fit).

Sure, it doesn't have to be exact, small adjustments should be easily 
doable later - but the major relationships should be clear beforehand, 
so the display layout and code can be made appropriately.


As an example, we can look at the 4 lines of info you have in the 
bubbles - with a larger text size, you wouldn't be able to fit 4 lines 
in there, so would have to show the info differently or drop some of it.

Similarly for the phone number displayed on incoming calls - making it 
larger would require more space, and especially for long numbers it 
could be a good idea to wrap instead of just going off the side so not 
everything is visible, but that requires multiline support - which might 
not be implemented at first if the design doesn't appear to need it.



Disclaimer: I'm not a Paroli dev, and don't have all that much 
experience with E, so I could easily be wrong about some things.

--
Frode Austvik


From scottrcarlson at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 20:38:00 2009
From: scottrcarlson at gmail.com (SCarlson)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 11:38:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Doom Updates in Progress -- Request from Distribution Maintainers
In-Reply-To: <c30e08170910010717x69b6c80fx39153d78e4863ba3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1254339864391-3744923.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<26fea52c0910010017s6a082327r3e6bcf805b2e3d8f@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170910010717x69b6c80fx39153d78e4863ba3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1254422280754-3751166.post@n2.nabble.com>


And that was the main point of my question.. What exactly is being used,.. am
I right to say debian and shr are the main targets? Of course it needs to be
changed, the point was it isn't working right? :)



> Keep in mind just packaging doom won't work. You need to work on it to
> use changed accelerometers interface to match new kernels.
> 
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> dos
> 
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From ccc94453 at vip.cybercity.dk  Thu Oct  1 18:44:39 2009
From: ccc94453 at vip.cybercity.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:44:39 +0200
Subject: FreeRunner case + stylus holder (was Re: New case)
In-Reply-To: <d30d40f10909251750j588f3347g55b8ada38fbb572d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d30d40f10909251750j588f3347g55b8ada38fbb572d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091001164439.GT8873@vip.cybercity.dk>

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 05:50:02PM -0700, Brolin Empey wrote:
> 
> I have been wondering why the FreeRunner has a resistive touch screen, which
> I prefer because I like the greater precision of a stylus than my finger,
> but lacks a stylus holder.  My FreeRunner, which I ordered from SDG Systems,
> included a stylus, but I have to keep the stylus separate in my pants pocket
> because the FreeRunner lacks a stylus holder!  I bought my FreeRunner to
> replace my Nokia 6103b cell phone, which has no touch screen, and my Palm
> Z22 PDA, which has a resistive touch screen and nice stylus holder but is
> not a phone.  Because of my Palm Z22, I expected all devices with a
> resistive touch screen intended for use with a stylus to include a stylus
> holder, but the FreeRunner has no stylus holder!  Why?

   I don't think the FreeRunner was necessarily intended for stylus use. A
lot of people will be able to use their finger nails with the touch screen.
That's what I do most of the time.

   A DIY stylus holder might not be that diffcult to make. If you drill two
holes in the case, you can fit a 5 cm long stylus in the space between the
battery and the external GPS antenna connector, along the top of the GPS module and
the SIM card. Just glue in a 5 mm tube to guide the stylus over the GPS
module.

-- 
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year


From risto at kurppa.fi  Thu Oct  1 21:27:44 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 22:27:44 +0300
Subject: Paroli Theme/UI proposals
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc80910010451q197a65aawb503f48ac3c68973@mail.gmail.com>
References: <96dfad1e0909301426ke31ffe5le11b8a1155220e85@mail.gmail.com>
	<c4cd0cc80910010451q197a65aawb503f48ac3c68973@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d3e504410910011227t2a79eccam54ad507b8f2ed857@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
<laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Laszlo for your comments - Jonkristian don't let him press you
down, there's a lot of good in your layout!

But it might be a good idea to try some of this at Freerunner (neon is
a nice image viewer) to see the sizes etc.



> 3. No idea what is the 23 number of the upper left corner of clock.
> Should be 42, no?;)

seconds?

> 6. In the current paroli gui, there are quite a big role of sliding
> left and right. Its a nice screen size saver.
> I think its totally lacks your design.

I don't think you HAVE to implement it if not needed - but it's good
to remember that it's possible to use the sliders too.

> 8. There are many eyecandy in your image, which takes *time* to
> implement it, and also slows down the gui a little. Im thinking about
> all the gradient at the edge of each button, or the sms text view.

That's too bad, the small things make it look good.. But I guess we
have to start somewhere..

> Are you also interested in implementing your gui? I would be more than
> happy to mentoring you.

Jonkristian, this is the part where you need to step up, maybe with
vbx. This is an awesome opportunity to learn the E-stuff - and I'm
sure it's A LOT easier if someone already familiar with it and Paroli
will mentor you (I'm sure Laszlo knows what I'm talking about... :).
It'll take some time but start with something simple and reach further
when you learn more complex stuff..

Laszlo, nice to see you offering to mentor Jon Kristian, I like it :)



r



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| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 20:21:36 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:21:36 +0200
Subject: Paroli Theme/UI proposals
In-Reply-To: <96dfad1e0910010740n285e5074r114e8565a4ec4168@mail.gmail.com>
References: <96dfad1e0910010740n285e5074r114e8565a4ec4168@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc80910011121h61915810lb0c5c9e306edb256@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Jon Kristian Nilsen
<jokr.nilsen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>So could you please repost your proposal with much bigger texts?;)
>
> I believe your approach to this is wrong, my mockups contains elements that
> for sure needs to be taken care of in the code,
> this includes, if im not mistaken, text styles, sizes, shapes of boxes
> etc...

In your proposal there is no place for bigger texts. It is that simple.
It needs to rethink some part of the gui. No code will help here.


> Have you layed out a plan for this, I am interested to see what you come up
> with.

Sorry I dont understand it. Plan for what exactly?

> Btw, out of curiosity, are you with the dev team?

Cant comment here.

>>3. No idea what is the 23 number of the upper left corner of clock.
>>Should be 42, no?;)
>
> Just "second" indicator. It could be 42 if it was 19 seconds later:)

Updating the gui in every sec, is a no-go on a battery equipped device.


> I disagree here. However, I see now that I should've turned off smoothing,
> just for the sake of visualization.

Could you show one screen with "turned off smoothing" ?

> See my first comment. Text size should be considered at a later stage, also,
> this is easy to change in code.

Cant. If there is no place for bigger texts, than there is no place.;)


>>6. In the current paroli gui, there are quite a big role of sliding
>>left and right. Its a nice screen size saver.
>>I think its totally lacks your design.
>
> :)

:)) Was it a serious answer? :)



> I used photoshop for the mockups. If paroli devs are interested in working
> on this, i will provide vectorized variants of what is needed,

If you *seriously* want to see this implemented you should wrap your
mind around
coding. I can help you get started. But you can't expect developers
implement all these proposals as soon as possible. Most importantly, because
paroli lacks some every-day feature, and has some serious bugs.

> but as my first comment states, there are alot of things here that should be
> taken care of by the code.

I think the best proposal is what matches 99% of the final look.

> As stated in my post, I am not sure about the limitation of the toolkit, I
> am unsure if gradients and shapes might be taken care of by it.

Ok.

> Can you elaborate? The background image is just used to show how it looks
> with custom bg.

Of course. If we broke down your proposal into smaller steps. Then
you have one proposal, where you propose custom background image.

I just mentioned Im working on it. And it is intead possible to change the
background of the homescreen in paroli (although it is hackish right now).


> :)
:)


>> Would you mind to put the topbar at the bottom in your
>>proposal?
>
> Yeah, in my posts I had an entry about that, I would mine, as it breaks the
> normal flow.

Care to elaborate?

>
>>Are you also interested in implementing your gui? I would be more than
>>happy to mentoring you.
>
> Sure, but I am not a programmer, I would love to work closely with someone
> who wants to do this.

Nobody born as a programmer. The question is, are you ready to devote
2hours/day until it is implemented?

> I want feedback from devs and maybe set up a meeting. This needs to be
> planned out.

Not much to be planned. The most simple way, is break down your proposal
into small steps. Like:
- easily changable background image.
- adapt your topbar icons
- make the homescreen a list with icons
- etc, etc

Then implement this small steps.

> Someone on this list has already mentioned that they don't belive this could
> be re-programmed into paroli.

Hmm. We should rephrase this question, to something like this:
- Is it possible to implement that complex gui using enlightenment's libraries?

And it turns out, its a rhetorical question;)

(although there are some part of your proposal, which are almost impossible
to implement. Im thinking about your top shelf's sliding idea for example. We
cant interact with illume topshelf, and I dont think, paroli want to go to the
fullscreen direction (again), as it generated too much resistance from users
in the past.)

> It's also possible to discuss this more up-close on my site's comments, or
> you can find me on #paroli, #openmoko-cdevel, #openmoko

Hmm, you are not online...


> Jon Kristian

Laszlo


From fabian at ji-xiansheng.de  Thu Oct  1 22:09:56 2009
From: fabian at ji-xiansheng.de (Fabian Killus)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 22:09:56 +0200
Subject: Paroli Theme/UI proposals
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc80910010451q197a65aawb503f48ac3c68973@mail.gmail.com>
References: <96dfad1e0909301426ke31ffe5le11b8a1155220e85@mail.gmail.com>
	<c4cd0cc80910010451q197a65aawb503f48ac3c68973@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091001220956.1173dfc8@tm4000.deathstar>


> Just some remarks;)
> 
> 1: Try to put these pictures on the Freerunner, to see how it feels.
> There are view
> image viewer out there, or you can even write a simple elementary
> application for it.
> 
> On my 15.4" laptop, the freerunner screen is equal to a 176x235 pixel
> rectangle. So if you scale your images to this size, you can observe
> a few things. Lets talk about the main screen:
> http://jonkristian.no/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/main.jpg
> 
> Apart from the clock, none of the texts are readable. I can read some,
> if I seriously
> try, but my mom cant read it for sure.
> To demonstrate it, here is a resized, blurred image (just apply
> gaussian blur in gimp):
> http://laszlo.krekacs.googlepages.com/paroli-ui-proposal.png

I just scopied the main.jpg onto my Freerunner and opened it with neon.
I can read everything just fine and don't think the text needs to be
larger. Except the small "previous" and "next" at the top are a little
small, but still readable.

jxs


From mobi at mobiphil.com  Thu Oct  1 22:11:51 2009
From: mobi at mobiphil.com (mobi phil)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 22:11:51 +0200
Subject: [qtmoko] qt 4.6 directfb
In-Reply-To: <3d9482340910010842i75adff2dp7b62f42f4da9c2aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a4875c0e0909301147i55551e4dt8714b328c0ef2b19@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910011058.10941.hersche@puzzle.ch>
	<3d9482340910010842i75adff2dp7b62f42f4da9c2aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a4875c0e0910011311y34f3f0c5xa73f68d5d70b7bb6@mail.gmail.com>

the mentioned preview version seems to have only X11 backend, so we have to
wait...

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Fabio Locati <fabiolocati at gmail.com> wrote:

> The move from 4.4 to 4.5 have requested some times due to some
> regressions that it would have implied. I hope that this change will
> be more streightforward... but I haven0t looked into it, yet ;)
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Vinzenz Hersche <hersche at puzzle.ch>
> wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch, 30. September 2009 20.47:41 schrieb mobi phil:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> there is a statement on:
> >> http://qt.nokia.com/developer/qt-4.6-technology-preview
> >>
> >> "Improved support for DirectFB"....
> >>
> >> does any of you mean what was improved?? Maybe the day will come and we
> >>  will have the direcfb driver for glamo, and qtmoko could also benefit
> from
> >>  that
> >>
> > i hope, there's a soon upgrade in qtmoko after the new qt-release..
> > it realy looks like good work!
> >
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>
>
>
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From ml at chonyota.net  Thu Oct  1 22:30:16 2009
From: ml at chonyota.net (Christoph Mair)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 22:30:16 +0200
Subject: Internal pressure sensor
In-Reply-To: <08322B45-E48A-43BF-8F6C-8DE9478BFA65@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
References: <200909302318.52186.ml@chonyota.net>
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Am Donnerstag 01 Oktober 2009 16:57:18 schrieben Sie:
> On 30 Sep 2009, at 22:18, Christoph Mair wrote:
> > ...
> > I successfully added a pressure sensor to my Freerunner. The BMP085
> > chip from
> > Bosch Sensortec is a small (5x5x1.5mm) chip which includes a
> > pressure and a
> > temperature sensor. Power and I2C is enough to get it working. I
> > glued it next
> > to the BT antenna. The wiki page contains some pictures:
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/I2C_Pressure_Sensor
> > Sourcecode is available from http://gitorious.org/freerunner-navigation-
> > board/bmp085
> 
> Cool! How accurate do you find it?
I think I can get about 0.5m (the datasheed speaks from 0.25m and better with 
software averaging), but it seems that the temperature compensation is either 
buggy or does not work good enough. The running phone (means: not suspended) 
heats the sensor up and the measured pressure increases slowly. I'll try figure 
out what to do.

> This makes the Freerunner a nice mobile for glider / hang-glider /
> paraglider pilots. They most always carry a varioaltimeter with them,
> and last time I flew (some years ago) GPS was beginning to have a
> significant impact upon that (niche) market. The combination of
> barometric pressure with groundspeed allows one to easily find the
> optimal speed-to-fly, allowing for head- or tail-wind on a glide
> between lift sources (thermals).
Unfortunately I'm not a pilot, but this seems to be rather useful.

> I'm sure that this sensor must be at least as accurate as those used
> in the cheap commercial ($250) varioaltimeters of 10 years ago, so it
> looks really good for this sport, if someone has the time to make a
> nice interface.
I know some Qt and could probably hack a simple but ugly interface, but right 
now I'm busy with other stuff.

> It would be interesting (for me, anyway) to test by climbing a small
> hill and see if the pressure difference is reflected accurately. 30m
> should be a good initial test.
I will do this as soon as I can find a hill ;)
First I need to figure out where the temperature dependency comes from.

Christoph


From alvieboy at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 22:36:05 2009
From: alvieboy at gmail.com (Alvie)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:36:05 +0100
Subject: FreeRunner case + stylus holder (was Re: New case)
In-Reply-To: <20091001164439.GT8873@vip.cybercity.dk>
References: <d30d40f10909251750j588f3347g55b8ada38fbb572d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091001164439.GT8873@vip.cybercity.dk>
Message-ID: <4AC512B5.1090200@gmail.com>

Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote:
>    I don't think the FreeRunner was necessarily intended for stylus use. A
> lot of people will be able to use their finger nails with the touch screen.
> That's what I do most of the time.

That's because you have such :) Mine are constantly eaten^H^H^H^H^Hcut.

BUT

A proper outside case should give you both protection for the FR *and* a stylus holder. I must agree with Rask on this one.

>    A DIY stylus holder might not be that diffcult to make. If you drill two
> holes in the case, you can fit a 5 cm long stylus in the space between the
> battery and the external GPS antenna connector, along the top of the GPS module and
> the SIM card. Just glue in a 5 mm tube to guide the stylus over the GPS
> module.

And your FR is not rounded any more, because stylus would have to stick out of the case (otherwise you cannot retrieve it easily).

Again this has been discussed for quite a long time [1].

?lvaro


[1] http://n2.nabble.com/FreeRunner-case-stylus-holder-was-Re-New-case-td3715758.html


From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 23:09:50 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 23:09:50 +0200
Subject: Paroli Theme/UI proposals
In-Reply-To: <4AC4F692.8010804@xepher.net>
References: <96dfad1e0909301426ke31ffe5le11b8a1155220e85@mail.gmail.com> 
	<c4cd0cc80910010451q197a65aawb503f48ac3c68973@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4AC4F692.8010804@xepher.net>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc80910011409m53da0467uecaccb6d7d67beac@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:36 PM, EdorFaus <edorfaus at xepher.net> wrote:>
> This approach doesn't work. Especially the blurring is wrong.
>
> The Freerunner screen has a lot more pixels in the same physical size,
> so it is much sharper than your computer screen - resizing down like
> that loses information, and then the blur makes it even worse, and moves
> the result even further away from the FR's screen.

You completely missed my point. I see many old people, when they look
at their phone, they take an *eyeglasses* to be able to navigate or
dial a people from the phonebook.

And they even take a glass while *driving*...

What I want to achieve, is these people could confortably navigate in paroli.

Why is it that important? Because if they can read and navigate, you are
able too, with one hand, while driving, and only looking a sec on your
phone...;-)

Im not advertising texting while driving at all. Just wanted to show you what I
mean under easy of navigating;)

Oh, and by the way, if you are shortsighted, then its a big help, that you do
not need to look closely on the device (assuming you dont wear your eyeglasses).


OK, enough talk.

Laszlo


From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Thu Oct  1 23:24:19 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 22:24:19 +0100
Subject: [fso based] Simplified mixer app
Message-ID: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

I've made mixer app that maps a single slider to multiple alsa channels, so 
you can have one slider for 'Mic' and another for 'earpiece'. It's based on 
Angus Ainslie's fso-mixer, but using lookup tables for which channels to show 
in which scenario, and for mapping the single slider to multiple channels.

It's at proof of concept stage now, but should be as functional as fso-mixer. 
I hope. If you aren't using stock ones it would be a good idea to back them up 
before using it just in case! Feedback would be welcome.

http://www.mazikeen.demon.co.uk/openmoko/fso-simplemixer.py

Known bugs and missing features:
* I haven't done mapping tables for all the mixer scenarios yet. Where they 
aren't done you will see the individual sliders as you would in fso-mixer.
* Sometimes when the state changes a setting will be shown as 0 when it is in 
fact non-zero. If anyone spots why this happens I would love to know!
* The volume sliders cover the whole possible range, while most people 
probably only ever need the top half or third.
* pyalsaaudio only accepts integer percentages when setting volumes, not the 
actual mixer hardware values used in the lookup tables. This may give some 
uneven steps in volume.
* When individual alsa channels are shown they use the alsa names. This is 
fine if you know that the 'headphone' mixer controls the speaker, and the 
'speaker' control is for the earpiece, let alone some of the more obscure 
names.



From ml at e4net.com  Thu Oct  1 20:41:44 2009
From: ml at e4net.com (Jim Morris)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 11:41:44 -0700
Subject: QtMoko v13
In-Reply-To: <4AC490AF.4060700@lists.lun.nu>
References: <1254383936.23558.669.camel@rp-skunk>
	<4AC490AF.4060700@lists.lun.nu>
Message-ID: <4AC4F7E8.1040602@e4net.com>

Erik Lundin wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I installed v12 a couple of days ago and like it. Is there a way to 
> upgrade to v13 without losing my settings?

I backup the home directory to sd card...

 > tar cvzf /media/card/backup.tar.gz /home/root

Then flash, then restore...

 > cd /
 > tar xvzf /media/card/backup.tar.gz

This will reserve settings, and any new qtmoko packages you installed.

It will not preserve any changes to /etc or anything installed with apt-get



-- 
Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com


From fabian at ji-xiansheng.de  Thu Oct  1 23:44:29 2009
From: fabian at ji-xiansheng.de (Fabian Killus)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 23:44:29 +0200
Subject: Community Updates: September 30 2009 released!
Message-ID: <20091001234429.4fbef877@tm4000.deathstar>

I just felt free to do it and hopefully didn't miss anything.

Now go have a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2009-09-30

And please don't forget to contribute to the next CU:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2009-10-14

jxs


From jokr.nilsen at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 00:22:32 2009
From: jokr.nilsen at gmail.com (Jon Kristian Nilsen)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:22:32 -0700
Subject: Paroli Theme/UI proposals
Message-ID: <96dfad1e0910011522m30708412n31242810e8341679@mail.gmail.com>

 >In your proposal there is no place for bigger texts. It is that simple.
>It needs to rethink some part of the gui. No code will help here.

I will take a look at what could be improve on, in regards to what has been
mentioned here.

>Sorry I dont understand it. Plan for what exactly?

Well you seemed quite eager to work with my proposal, so i was wondering if
you had layed out a plan.
As you mentioned as well further down in your reply, breaking it down into
smaller steps.
I always plan how to work out stuff, I don't understand why you don't
understand;)

>Updating the gui in every sec, is a no-go on a battery equipped device.

Doesn't paroli do this, it's not important for me anyways.

>Could you show one screen with "turned off smoothing" ?
Yes, I will do this.

> See my first comment. Text size should be considered at a later stage,
also,
> this is easy to change in code.

>Cant. If there is no place for bigger texts, than there is no place.;)
I will think about this when re-working the theme. As far as I can see,
every container has more than enough space.
Doesn't the code control how big for example shapes should be?

>:)) Was it a serious answer? :)
Actually I misunderstood the question, and taking a second look, i still
don't understand it, please elaborate.

>If you *seriously* want to see this implemented you should wrap your
>mind around coding. I can help you get started. But you can't expect
developers
>implement all these proposals as soon as possible. Most importantly,
because
>paroli lacks some every-day feature, and has some serious bugs.

I would love to, seriously. Maybe I don't understand you 2nd answer here,
but I want to be real
clear on this: I don't expect anything at all, and this has been emphasized
quite clearly alot of times.

>I think the best proposal is what matches 99% of the final look.
I get your point and it is an important one, that was partly what I meant
with planning.

>Of course. If we broke down your proposal into smaller steps. Then
>you have one proposal, where you propose custom background image.
Each mock-up is a proposal.


>> Would you mind to put the topbar at the bottom in your
>>proposal?
>
> Yeah, in my posts I had an entry about that, I would mine, as it breaks
the
> normal flow.

>Care to elaborate?

Well I don't know if it's doable, but as stated in my post and shown in my
mock-ups,
the top-shelf could act as a placeholder for alot of stuff, like androids
one.
Putting this at the bottom will break it's usage, which my other ideas are
heavily based on.

>Nobody born as a programmer. The question is, are you ready to devote
>2hours/day until it is implemented?

To be honest, I have not thought about working with the code, but I am
interested.

>Not much to be planned. The most simple way, is break down your proposal
>into small steps. Like:
>- easily changable background image.
>- adapt your topbar icons
>- make the homescreen a list with icons
>- etc, etc

This is all just themeing, you would be better off if i created something
that works with paroli just the way it is,
which isn't exactly something I've thought about before. Actually the
initial idea was to improve the navigation, everything else is built from
that.

>Hmm, you are not online...
Not always, different timezones.


> Jon Kristian

Laszlo

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http://divineintervention.no
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From fabiolocati at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 00:36:56 2009
From: fabiolocati at gmail.com (Fabio Locati)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 00:36:56 +0200
Subject: [QtMoko] WebSite opens to images :)
Message-ID: <3d9482340910011536p6352ddafte7e51f914c5ab353@mail.gmail.com>

I'm glad to announce that since this moment every user registered on
the qtmoko.org website will be able to upload images :).
Other things are under work to improve everything is around such a
great project :)

-- 
Fabio A Locati

Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1)
Phone: +39-328-3799681
MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabiolocati at gmail.com

PGP Key: 9EF6 3C79 F6DF 76CD 770A 43A1 DCCB 415C 9656 3334

Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia
Sent from Sesto San Giovanni, MI, Italy


From wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca  Fri Oct  2 01:09:19 2009
From: wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca (Warren Baird)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:09:19 -0400
Subject: [SHR-u] black screen of death on resume
In-Reply-To: <abaa3a210910011114t169f3fb1n13c5c566c3ffb46d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090925134549.GB26708@roque.1407.org>
	<abaa3a210909290855w563957baib74ad97530228c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090929161507.GB10223@roque.1407.org>
	<abaa3a210910011114t169f3fb1n13c5c566c3ffb46d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b66a83e00910011609v1e3b2f1fp2592f1502d1494ee@mail.gmail.com>

My phone's in this state now - it went straight to voice mail when I tried
to call

I was able to ssh in - and am diggin through the logs.    Nothing too
obvious in ophonekitd.   Without timestamps in the log it's hard to tell
exactly where the problem started.

The last interesting stuff I can see in ophonekitd.log is:
** (process:1495): DEBUG: idle notifier state handler called, id 1
** (process:1495): DEBUG: ophonekitd_sim_auth_status_handler()
** (process:1495): DEBUG: sim auth ready
** (process:1495): DEBUG: power_up_antenna_callback()
Unknown network error: , 80 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32
** (process:1495): DEBUG: register_to_network_callback()
** (process:1495): DEBUG: Registering to network failed: TODO:
org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Not
Present org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network 0
** (process:1495): DEBUG: idle notifier state handler called, id 2
** (process:1495): DEBUG: idle notifier state handler called, id 3
** (process:1495): DEBUG: idle notifier state handler called, id 4
** (process:1495): DEBUG: idle notifier state handler called, id 5
** (process:1495): DEBUG: power status: 1
** (process:1495): DEBUG: Suspend !
** (process:1495): DEBUG: ophonekitd_sim_ready_status_handler()
** (process:1495): DEBUG: sim ready
** (process:1495): DEBUG: idle notifier state handler called, id 1
** (process:1495): DEBUG: get_messagebook_info_callback()
** (process:1495): DEBUG: messagebook info: first: 1, last 50, used: 36,
total 50
** (process:1495): DEBUG: ogsmd_sim_retrieve_phonebook_callback()
** (process:1495): DEBUG: cache_phonebook_callback called
** (process:1495): DEBUG: creating contact_cache


and I didn't really see anything interesting in the frameworkd.log

I've saved both logs so if anyone wants to see them, let me know.

Warren


On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Steven ** <
montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com<montgoss%2Bopenmokocommunity at gmail.com>
> wrote:

> Can you get phone calls while experiencing this BSOD?  As in, you hear
> the ringing, but you can't accept the call?
>
> -Steven
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at ansol.org>
> wrote:
> > Mine is much more frequent (I've even disabled suspend, drastically
> > reducing the availability time of my device).
> >
> > However, if you press and hold the power button from about 8 s the
> > device will power off without you needing to open the case and pull
> > the battery off.
> >
> > Rui
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



-- 
Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist
http://www.synergisticimages.ca
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From fredrik.normann.junk at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 01:22:03 2009
From: fredrik.normann.junk at gmail.com (fredrik normann)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 01:22:03 +0200
Subject: [fso based] Simplified mixer app
In-Reply-To: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <c14791670910011622s178b9cedq2c917ae4bf8af77e@mail.gmail.com>

Very nice and very much needed! Will test after a while :)

-fredrik-normann-

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Al Johnson
<openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk>wrote:

> I've made mixer app that maps a single slider to multiple alsa channels, so
> you can have one slider for 'Mic' and another for 'earpiece'. It's based on
> Angus Ainslie's fso-mixer, but using lookup tables for which channels to
> show
> in which scenario, and for mapping the single slider to multiple channels.
>
> It's at proof of concept stage now, but should be as functional as
> fso-mixer.
> I hope. If you aren't using stock ones it would be a good idea to back them
> up
> before using it just in case! Feedback would be welcome.
>
> http://www.mazikeen.demon.co.uk/openmoko/fso-simplemixer.py
>
> Known bugs and missing features:
> * I haven't done mapping tables for all the mixer scenarios yet. Where they
> aren't done you will see the individual sliders as you would in fso-mixer.
> * Sometimes when the state changes a setting will be shown as 0 when it is
> in
> fact non-zero. If anyone spots why this happens I would love to know!
> * The volume sliders cover the whole possible range, while most people
> probably only ever need the top half or third.
> * pyalsaaudio only accepts integer percentages when setting volumes, not
> the
> actual mixer hardware values used in the lookup tables. This may give some
> uneven steps in volume.
> * When individual alsa channels are shown they use the alsa names. This is
> fine if you know that the 'headphone' mixer controls the speaker, and the
> 'speaker' control is for the earpiece, let alone some of the more obscure
> names.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt  Fri Oct  2 00:38:38 2009
From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vasco_N=E9voa?=)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:38:38 +0100
Subject: Qi doesn't read my /boot/append-GTA02
In-Reply-To: <m2zl8vhwpo.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <20090916123327.61522tgzglifdtes@w16.mail.sapo.pt>
	<m2zl8vhwpo.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <4AC52F6E.5060704@sapo.pt>

I'm booting from Flash, not SDcard.
Shouldn't the /boot/append file work the same? If it doesn't, where are 
the kernel parameters defined?

Paul Fertser escreveu:
> Vasco N?voa <vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt> writes:
>   
>> I'd like some help here, please.
>> dmesg doesn't give me any clues.
>> I removed the "quiet splash" from /boot/append-GTA02 and added  
>> "glamo_mci.sd_drive=5", but none of it is sticking. It's ignoring the  
>> file altogether, AFAICT.
>>     
>
> Are you sure you're booting from SD? And that all you parameters are
> on the first line in that file?
>
>   
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From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt  Fri Oct  2 00:19:17 2009
From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vasco_N=E9voa?=)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:19:17 +0100
Subject: SHR clock reset
In-Reply-To: <1cc7690908281202t107d338fwac56e3dbbd0f85da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b48b1570908280028q1dba9b4aof8fcdbaaa82a9ed2@mail.gmail.com>	<c30e08170908280340l7048671dy4582db292f62c269@mail.gmail.com>	<8b48b1570908280352u55e77d5bx9b1d844638653e11@mail.gmail.com>	<c30e08170908280404m4993f036hcdd1e24e20d88540@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY114-W110B031D72230CBB5C3F06B2F50@phx.gbl>	<c30e08170908280603y59fefe80n4e13860132881e56@mail.gmail.com>
	<1cc7690908281202t107d338fwac56e3dbbd0f85da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC52AE5.6050703@sapo.pt>

I've started experiencing the same in the last few days.
The Neo's clock had always been impeccably correct, until now.
Now it was half an hour late and I set it by hand.
It appears the clock is drifting, and otimed isn't keeping it in sync 
with the GSM.

The only hints in frameworkd.log are:

2009.10.01 18:05:25.88 otimed               INFO     loaded timesources 
[<GPSTimeSource>, <NTPTimeSource checking 134.169.172.1 every 600 seconds>]
2009.10.01 18:05:25.124 otimed               INFO     loaded zonesources 
[<GSMZoneSource>]
2009.10.01 18:05:25.138 frameworkd.subsystem INFO     subsystem otimed 
took 1.53 seconds to startup
2009.10.01 18:06:27.163 otimed               INFO     GSM: multiple 
zones found
2009.10.01 18:06:27.357 otimed               INFO     GSM: multiple 
zones found
2009.10.01 18:16:39.457 otimed               INFO     GSM: multiple 
zones found
2009.10.01 18:16:49.835 otimed               INFO     GSM: multiple 
zones found
2009.10.01 19:18:44.462 otimed               INFO     GSM: multiple 
zones found
2009.10.01 19:19:20.392 otimed               INFO     GSM: multiple 
zones found
2009.10.01 19:19:48.627 otimed               INFO     GSM: multiple 
zones found
2009.10.01 19:20:40.194 otimed               INFO     GSM: multiple 
zones found
2009.10.01 19:20:58.312 otimed               INFO     GSM: multiple 
zones found
2009.10.01 20:49:58.117 otimed               INFO     GSM: multiple 
zones found
2009.10.01 20:53:14.628 otimed               INFO     GSM: multiple 
zones found
2009.10.01 22:18:28.542 otimed               INFO     GSM: multiple 
zones found
2009.10.01 22:48:41.491 otimed               INFO     GSM: multiple 
zones found

Does this "GSM: multiple zones found" situation create a problem?

I looked at the hwclock, but it seems it's not even in use / not related 
to the time shown to user:
    root at om-gta02 ~ $ hwclock -l
    Thu Oct  1 21:52:35 2009  0.000000 seconds
    root at om-gta02 ~ $ date
    Thu Oct  1 23:15:20 WEST 2009

Any hints on what the problem is?

Vikas Saurabh escreveu:
>> Timezone from GSM is already implemented for ages ;)
>>     
>
> I have often got wrong timezones reported by cell (thereby resetting
> my phone's clock and making me reach late somewhere :(...but thats a
> different story)
>
> I was wondering if shr-settings can get something like:
> Use cell timezone:
> * yes
> * no
> * ask
>
> --Vikas
>
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From rozzin at geekspace.com  Fri Oct  2 05:06:14 2009
From: rozzin at geekspace.com (Joshua Judson Rosen)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:06:14 -0400
Subject: TangoGPS 0.9.7 segfault fix (was: tangogps 0.9.7 release)
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From risto at kurppa.fi  Fri Oct  2 06:22:50 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 07:22:50 +0300
Subject: Paroli Theme/UI proposals
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc80910011121h61915810lb0c5c9e306edb256@mail.gmail.com>
References: <96dfad1e0910010740n285e5074r114e8565a4ec4168@mail.gmail.com>
	<c4cd0cc80910011121h61915810lb0c5c9e306edb256@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d3e504410910012122v3cd1e537sd243dd9d840baccb@mail.gmail.com>

About the information density & 4 lines text too small - Why not use
the full 5 blocks (= 60% of the screen area) of space to show
information when you select one of the menu items. It's not much use
to show 'Telephony, messaging, connectivity and config' texts, if
you've clicked on 'people'. The icons on the left are enough to
indicate me what happens when I click one of them, especially after
seeing the texts in the home/main view for a day or two.

-> Idea 1: convert the icon buttons on left to tabs that use, when
clicked, the whole 60% of the screen to be able to show a lot more
information.

PROPOSAL A:
Now with this new space you can show the info and the additional 5
menu buttons at the same time.

PROPOSAL B:
At the home view, clicking the People -button would show the five
additional buttons like it does now - and then second click would show
the information that's now shown clicking the small 'i' -button. And
one click more would take us to the home screen.


I think the telephony, messaging, people, connectivity, config texts
are not really needed for a long time, people will memorize them in a
day -> use the space for something more important.


Thanks!



r


-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 11:40:54 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:40:54 +0200
Subject: Paroli Theme/UI proposals
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410910012122v3cd1e537sd243dd9d840baccb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <96dfad1e0910010740n285e5074r114e8565a4ec4168@mail.gmail.com> 
	<c4cd0cc80910011121h61915810lb0c5c9e306edb256@mail.gmail.com> 
	<d3e504410910012122v3cd1e537sd243dd9d840baccb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc80910020240x515e94d0k40c6f59dac547357@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:22 AM, Risto H. Kurppa <risto at kurppa.fi> wrote:
> About the information density & 4 lines text too small - Why not use
> the full 5 blocks (= 60% of the screen area) of space to show
> information when you select one of the menu items.

I like this idea.

Also soon, a suspend button will appear on the launcher at the bottom
right corner (in the current git, there is already a picture, but not
a real button).

The reasoning is simple, when you use your phone everyday (as I am),
you want to suspend it *fast*. Without going to the illume icon view.

So I think the design should include it.

Until now I requested the following things from Jon:
1. put each topbar icon as a separate .png file online with an
appropriate license.
2. show me one screen with unsmoothed text (whatever it means)

(3) optional: make texts larger (its future work, as we are talking
about quite a number of screens here)

I have been thinking about implementing a bit more. I will read
one more time throughly the proposal, and write a summary letter,
how I think we should proceed, and how others can dive
into e gui development.

Jon: Can you redraw the home screen using inkscape? Just that one:
http://jonkristian.no/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/main.jpg

Here is a barebone .svg file, to get starting:
http://laszlo.krekacs.googlepages.com/concept_drawing.svg

Dont concentrate on the small details, ie. the gradients between the rows.
Use simple rectangles, also for the icons you can use your already
 separated .png files.

I will be offline for the weekend, so my detailed letter will come on
monday the latest. Until it's plenty of time for inkscape learning;-)

Best regards,
 Laszlo

ps: For gui development we will use inkscape. The reasoning is simple:
it is the best (open source) program for the purpose. So if we would
use photoshop for example, its a huge (financial) barrier for others to enter.

Also with inkscape, with a little training, you can exactly feel how
the gui will be build. In edje, the gui is drawn on a canvas, just like
in inkscape. Only limited thing is, we dont have that many tool (ie.
we only have rectangles, images, texts, etc in our repertoire, and not
the more advanced things like vector circle, spiral or bezier curve
as in inkscape)


From rms at 1407.org  Fri Oct  2 11:28:11 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:28:11 +0100
Subject: [SHR-u] black screen of death on resume
In-Reply-To: <abaa3a210910011114t169f3fb1n13c5c566c3ffb46d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090925134549.GB26708@roque.1407.org>
	<abaa3a210909290855w563957baib74ad97530228c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090929161507.GB10223@roque.1407.org>
	<abaa3a210910011114t169f3fb1n13c5c566c3ffb46d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091002092811.GA20104@roque.1407.org>

Yes and no.

As in, I can make phone calls into the phone (caller hears ringing tone)
but the neo is just as responsive as a black brick witing to be cemented
on a wall.

Rui

On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 01:14:58PM -0500, Steven ** wrote:
> Can you get phone calls while experiencing this BSOD?  As in, you hear
> the ringing, but you can't accept the call?
> 
> -Steven
> 
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at ansol.org> wrote:
> > Mine is much more frequent (I've even disabled suspend, drastically
> > reducing the availability time of my device).
> >
> > However, if you press and hold the power button from about 8 s the
> > device will power off without you needing to open the case and pull
> > the battery off.
> >
> > Rui
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

-- 


From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt  Fri Oct  2 11:49:29 2009
From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (Vasco =?iso-8859-15?b?Tul2b2E=?=)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 10:49:29 +0100
Subject: Qi doesn't read my /boot/append-GTA02
In-Reply-To: <m23a62b59q.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <20090916123327.61522tgzglifdtes@w16.mail.sapo.pt>
	<m2zl8vhwpo.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <4AC52F6E.5060704@sapo.pt>
	<m23a62b59q.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <20091002104929.16694870pi6bggx5@w0.mail.sapo.pt>

Then I'd say this is a very desirable feature (kernel parameters when  
booting from flash), if and when anyone tinkers with Qi again.

Citando Paul Fertser <fercerpav at gmail.com>:

> Vasco N?voa <vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt> writes:
>> I'm booting from Flash, not SDcard.
>> Shouldn't the /boot/append file work the same? If it doesn't, where
>> are the kernel parameters defined?
>
> Qi can't read jffs2, in this case kernel parameters are hardcoded.
>
> --
> Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
> mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com
>



From fercerpav at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 09:53:53 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 11:53:53 +0400
Subject: Qi doesn't read my /boot/append-GTA02
In-Reply-To: <4AC52F6E.5060704@sapo.pt> ("Vasco =?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E9voa=22'?=
	=?iso-8859-1?Q?s?= message of "Thu\, 01 Oct 2009 23\:38\:38 +0100")
References: <20090916123327.61522tgzglifdtes@w16.mail.sapo.pt>
	<m2zl8vhwpo.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <4AC52F6E.5060704@sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <m23a62b59q.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

Vasco N?voa <vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt> writes:
> I'm booting from Flash, not SDcard.  
> Shouldn't the /boot/append file work the same? If it doesn't, where
> are the kernel parameters defined?

Qi can't read jffs2, in this case kernel parameters are hardcoded.

-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com


From ssj2micvm at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 12:18:48 2009
From: ssj2micvm at gmail.com (Michele Brocco)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:18:48 +0200
Subject: [fso based] Simplified mixer app
In-Reply-To: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f36e37470910020318n69795571h70ae5b76d855e3d1@mail.gmail.com>

cool idea!

would be nice if through this App we could finally make sound coming
through earpiece with the voip-handset state file. Still struggling
with it

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Al Johnson
<openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I've made mixer app that maps a single slider to multiple alsa channels, so
> you can have one slider for 'Mic' and another for 'earpiece'. It's based on
> Angus Ainslie's fso-mixer, but using lookup tables for which channels to show
> in which scenario, and for mapping the single slider to multiple channels.
>
> It's at proof of concept stage now, but should be as functional as fso-mixer.
> I hope. If you aren't using stock ones it would be a good idea to back them up
> before using it just in case! Feedback would be welcome.
>
> http://www.mazikeen.demon.co.uk/openmoko/fso-simplemixer.py
>
> Known bugs and missing features:
> * I haven't done mapping tables for all the mixer scenarios yet. Where they
> aren't done you will see the individual sliders as you would in fso-mixer.
> * Sometimes when the state changes a setting will be shown as 0 when it is in
> fact non-zero. If anyone spots why this happens I would love to know!
> * The volume sliders cover the whole possible range, while most people
> probably only ever need the top half or third.
> * pyalsaaudio only accepts integer percentages when setting volumes, not the
> actual mixer hardware values used in the lookup tables. This may give some
> uneven steps in volume.
> * When individual alsa channels are shown they use the alsa names. This is
> fine if you know that the 'headphone' mixer controls the speaker, and the
> 'speaker' control is for the earpiece, let alone some of the more obscure
> names.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Fri Oct  2 12:43:36 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:43:36 +0100
Subject: Qi doesn't read my /boot/append-GTA02
In-Reply-To: <4AC52F6E.5060704@sapo.pt>
References: <20090916123327.61522tgzglifdtes@w16.mail.sapo.pt>
	<m2zl8vhwpo.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <4AC52F6E.5060704@sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <200910021143.37104.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Thursday 01 October 2009, Vasco N?voa wrote:
> I'm booting from Flash, not SDcard.
> Shouldn't the /boot/append file work the same?

No. Qi can read fat and ext2/3 but not jffs2, reiserfs and so on.  Since flash 
uses jffs2 Qi can't read the /boot/append file.

> If it doesn't, where are
> the kernel parameters defined?

In the Qi source. You would have to change the defaults and recompile. Or add 
jffs2 support to Qi.

> Paul Fertser escreveu:
> > Vasco N?voa <vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt> writes:
> >> I'd like some help here, please.
> >> dmesg doesn't give me any clues.
> >> I removed the "quiet splash" from /boot/append-GTA02 and added
> >> "glamo_mci.sd_drive=5", but none of it is sticking. It's ignoring the
> >> file altogether, AFAICT.
> >
> > Are you sure you're booting from SD? And that all you parameters are
> > on the first line in that file?
> 



From vanous at penguin.cz  Fri Oct  2 12:15:04 2009
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:15:04 +0200
Subject: [SHR-u] black screen of death on resume
References: <20090925134549.GB26708@roque.1407.org>
	<abaa3a210909290855w563957baib74ad97530228c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090929161507.GB10223@roque.1407.org>
	<abaa3a210910011114t169f3fb1n13c5c566c3ffb46d@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00910011609v1e3b2f1fp2592f1502d1494ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091002121504.34a9b390@vanek.robe.cz>

>My phone's in this state now - it went straight to voice mail when I
>tried to call
>
>I was able to ssh in - and am diggin through the logs.    Nothing too
>obvious in ophonekitd.   Without timestamps in the log it's hard to
>tell exactly where the problem started.

i haven't read the begging of this thread so sorry if i duplicate
something... but just an idea - do you have shr-today installed? i have
a feeling it would not undim the screen sometimes...

Petr



From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 14:27:35 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:27:35 +0200
Subject: [fso based] Simplified mixer app
In-Reply-To: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc80910020527u3906998bmac798ba7e54d0ead@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Al Johnson
<openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Feedback would be welcome.

There have been many attempts to implement volume control;)
Angus looked into it, did two versions (gtk, and after elementary)....

I have also researched some of the things.

Nice to see, that there is an another attempt. I hope you will done it right;)

I have only one suggestion:
Please implement a help button on every near every group, where you
explain shortly the most essential infos about the options.

I just launched your program and it picked up the stereout .state file, and
displayed the sliders. Screenshot:
http://laszlo.krekacs.googlepages.com/fso-mixer-screenshot.png

The screenshot is a bit wrong, because it does show the "Stereo Out" string,
in the middle (above Microphone). So it looks normal in real life,
dunno why the
screenshot didnt included it. (maybe it was rendering while captured the screen)

I would like see the following help buttons:
Stereo Out [help]
Microphone [help]
Speaker [help]

Help of the Stere Out page should be something similar:
"""
Stereo Out state is corresponds, when the phone is idle
(ie waiting for incoming call, or playing music).
Microphone is disabled in this state, and Speaker corresponds to
the speaker at the bottom near to the Neo text.
[Should show a picture with a neo indicating where the microphone and
the speaker are.]
"""

Help of Microphone page should be something similar:
"""
Mic2 corresponds to XXX alsa settings (or group of alsa settings)
Mono corresponds to XXX alsa setting
Mono Sidetone corresponds to XXX alsa setting.
Microphone can be altered also by this alsa settings: XXX,YYY, ZZZ
However it is strongly discouraged to touch them.

Advices:
The monoside tone is used for XXX. You should hear XXX, when you
raise it. Highest state does not automatically means better/louder
voice transmitted.

Also some other advices how to correctly adjust the sliders. Like on
the wiki page:
reduce #5 by some 15..30 steps
do testcall:
you get very low volume at far end. but tone should be clear, no
clipping (sharp agressive noise)
if there is clipping: reduce #48 by one step (i.e. to "2")
then adjust #5 to your preferences and taste

"""

Keep in mind that your program should be self-explanatory and
useful for even for the first time user.

If you want the explanatory pictures, Im sure somebody can draw it
for you. If nobody step up, I look into what can I make;)


There is also some AT command to affect the voice quality.
Mickey told me, that on his freerunner, value 4 works better then
value 5 (the default).
I think it should also be included in your program, to give the
ability to play with it...
(if the user are still not satisfied with the result).


Usability reports:

IT is nice, that your program switch the display automagically when the
incoming call happens.

However I think these are defectives:
1. when clicking on save there is no report what you did exactly, and was it
successful.
I think on shr, you should save the .state file to /usr/share/shr/scenarii/ dir.
So I expect something similar:
Copying /usr/share/shr/scenarii/stereout.state to
~/.simplemixer/backup/stereout-20091002-1424.state... Success!
Overwriting /usr/share/shr/stereout.state... Success!
Saving was successful, even after reboot you should have the same
voice experience as now.

2. When you adjusted the microphone while talking, and other hangup,
your program automagically switch back to stereout.state display
-> no ability to save the adjusted gsmhandset.state (the state file
while talking)

We should be able to switch between states, and adjust/save them invidually.
Also you should display which one is active currently (bold text, or
something similar).

However I like your program! Keep it up!

Would be nice to create a googlecode project for this.

Best regards,
 Laszlo


From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 14:37:42 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:37:42 +0200
Subject: [fso based] Simplified mixer app
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc80910020527u3906998bmac798ba7e54d0ead@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> 
	<c4cd0cc80910020527u3906998bmac798ba7e54d0ead@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc80910020537s490bc7b4nd321dcaf3921b0b9@mail.gmail.com>

First: sorry for the many grammar errors in my previous post.
I just sended it, without reread it carefully.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
<laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com> wrote:
> 1. when clicking on save there is no report what you did exactly, and was it
> successful.

Hmm, its not quite true. There is a dbus warning on stdout;)
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged

So when saving there is some dbus messaging going on.
But there is no message what is really going on.

Best regards,
 Laszlo


From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 16:17:48 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:17:48 +0200
Subject: [fso based] Simplified mixer app
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc80910020708n15a0e28fmc5729003d739bfc3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> 
	<c4cd0cc80910020527u3906998bmac798ba7e54d0ead@mail.gmail.com> 
	<c4cd0cc80910020537s490bc7b4nd321dcaf3921b0b9@mail.gmail.com> 
	<c4cd0cc80910020542l3e633128hd9c0254d815a2a6b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<c4cd0cc80910020708n15a0e28fmc5729003d739bfc3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc80910020717k1d122b22k32c633128dd55f2d@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
<laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com> wrote:
> Do you have any idea whats wrong?

Im suspecting line 345:
value 'Constant PGA Gain'
versus:
value 'Mute ADC Output'

But there is so many things what changed, that Im completely lost.

Laszlo


From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 16:08:17 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:08:17 +0200
Subject: [fso based] Simplified mixer app
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc80910020542l3e633128hd9c0254d815a2a6b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> 
	<c4cd0cc80910020527u3906998bmac798ba7e54d0ead@mail.gmail.com> 
	<c4cd0cc80910020537s490bc7b4nd321dcaf3921b0b9@mail.gmail.com> 
	<c4cd0cc80910020542l3e633128hd9c0254d815a2a6b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc80910020708n15a0e28fmc5729003d739bfc3@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
<laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com> wrote:
> ps: Ok I stop spamming your thread.

Cant stand it...:(

After I adjusted the mic volume during call, and pushed multiple times
the save button.
We hanged up. AFter about half hour, I got a call, and nobody heared
anything (nor me, nor the callee).

Im examining the difference between the two state files right now:
Original: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/142502/
Broken: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/142501/
Diff: http://paste.pocoo.org/compare/142502/142501/

Also on the console I have seen:
Gain effectively muted. Returning 0

The Earpiece slider is at 0 (it was always at 0, and worked fine). If
I raise it, there is no
difference.
I see this in the console:
Speaker: 0 set to 92
Speaker: 1 set to 92
Bypass: 0 set to 71
Bypass: 1 set to 71
Speaker: 0 set to 94
Speaker: 1 set to 94
Bypass: 0 set to 100
Bypass: 1 set to 100


Do you have any idea whats wrong?

Best regards,
 Laszlo


From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 16:42:21 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:42:21 +0200
Subject: [fso based] Simplified mixer app
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc80910020717k1d122b22k32c633128dd55f2d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> 
	<c4cd0cc80910020527u3906998bmac798ba7e54d0ead@mail.gmail.com> 
	<c4cd0cc80910020537s490bc7b4nd321dcaf3921b0b9@mail.gmail.com> 
	<c4cd0cc80910020542l3e633128hd9c0254d815a2a6b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<c4cd0cc80910020708n15a0e28fmc5729003d739bfc3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<c4cd0cc80910020717k1d122b22k32c633128dd55f2d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc80910020742y38d3e24ft8f6bc77d0ee73583@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
<laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com> wrote:
> But there is so many things what changed, that Im completely lost.

Just wanted to notice you, that restoring the original
gsmhandset.state file (and rebooting)
does solve my problem. Im able to take call, and hear the other party.
(and he able to hear me).

Although your program was nice. It changed the mic way better, what I
had. Other party
said, its much louder and clearer.

Hope you can sort out, why the broken .state file is broken. And where
the bugs comes from ...

Best regards,
 Laszlo

ps: Ok. I seriously stop spamming...


From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 14:42:41 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:42:41 +0200
Subject: [fso based] Simplified mixer app
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc80910020537s490bc7b4nd321dcaf3921b0b9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> 
	<c4cd0cc80910020527u3906998bmac798ba7e54d0ead@mail.gmail.com> 
	<c4cd0cc80910020537s490bc7b4nd321dcaf3921b0b9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc80910020542l3e633128hd9c0254d815a2a6b@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
<laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com> wrote:
> So when saving there is some dbus messaging going on.
> But there is no message what is really going on.

Ok, after looking at the code (line 790):
   def SaveState(self, arg, scenario):
        self.audio_iface.StoreScenario(scenario)

I didnt find StoreScenario on the docs.freesmartphone.org:
http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.html;hb=HEAD

Nice to see, there is such an option. I was completely unaware of this feature.
Btw, where should inform myself of the correct freesmartphone doc?
IS there somewhere a newer doc? How do you do it?

For you code: You dont do any sanity checking if the storing was
successful (what frameworkd returns by the way? True/False?)

Would be nice to check for it and display to the user about the outcome.

Best regards,
 Laszlo

ps: Ok I stop spamming your thread.


From montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 19:25:18 2009
From: montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com (Steven **)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:25:18 -0500
Subject: [SHR-u] black screen of death on resume
In-Reply-To: <20091002121504.34a9b390@vanek.robe.cz>
References: <20090925134549.GB26708@roque.1407.org>
	<abaa3a210909290855w563957baib74ad97530228c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090929161507.GB10223@roque.1407.org>
	<abaa3a210910011114t169f3fb1n13c5c566c3ffb46d@mail.gmail.com>
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	<20091002121504.34a9b390@vanek.robe.cz>
Message-ID: <abaa3a210910021025y476a210bxc7bfa81ada6613de@mail.gmail.com>

I had this problem before SHR-Today was even available.  So, I don't
think it's the culprit.

-Steven

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Petr Vanek <vanous at penguin.cz> wrote:
>>My phone's in this state now - it went straight to voice mail when I
>>tried to call
>>
>>I was able to ssh in - and am diggin through the logs.    Nothing too
>>obvious in ophonekitd.   Without timestamps in the log it's hard to
>>tell exactly where the problem started.
>
> i haven't read the begging of this thread so sorry if i duplicate
> something... but just an idea - do you have shr-today installed? i have
> a feeling it would not undim the screen sometimes...
>
> Petr
>
>
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From esteban.francisco at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 19:37:03 2009
From: esteban.francisco at gmail.com (Esteban Monge)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:37:03 -0600
Subject: No wireless in Debian Sid
Message-ID: <ef378ab30910021037y27ae31aaxb24ecd59dba19ee9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello I haved installed Debian GNU/Linux in my Neo Freerunner, but I cant
use the wireless.

I haved installed WiCd and configure the wireless interface to eth1, but
dont works, also I configured to eth0, but dont works and I tried with wlan
and wlan0 and dont works =(

I readed the wiki of OpenMoko and Debian and configured my
/etc/network/interfaces:

auto usb0
iface usb0 inet static
          address 192.168.0.202
          netmask 255.255.255.255.0
          network   192.168.0.0
          gateway   192.168.0.200
          up echo nameserver 192.168.0.200 > /etc/resolv.conf

auto eth1
         iface eth1 inet dhcp
         wireless-power on
         wpa-driver wext
         wpa-ssid  "lared"
         wpa-psk    "laclave"

But when I make ifup eth1, the next messages appear:

Error for wireless request "Set Power Management" (8B2D) :
          GET failed on device eth1 ; No such device
ioctl[SIOCGIFFLAGS]: No such device
wpa_supplicant: /sbin/wpa_supplicant daemon failed to start
run-parts: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant exited with return code 1
Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.1.2p1
bla bla bla
SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
Bind socket to interface: No such device
Failed to bring up eth1

Also I tried with wlan, wlan0, eth0.

What is the problem?

-- 
http://nuevaeracr.blogspot.com
Linux user number 478378
Linux machine number 386687
Tec. Esteban Monge Mar?n
Tel: (506) 8379-3562

?No habr? manera de desarrollarnos y salir de
la pobreza mientras los pocos negocios
grandes de nuestro medio se entreguen a las
econom?as for?neas y nosotros nos
quedemos con solo negocios de pobre,
mientras en vez de ser propietarios de nuestro
propio pa?s nos convirtamos en un ej?rcito de
empleados del exterior?
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From thomas.franck at gmx.com  Fri Oct  2 22:41:24 2009
From: thomas.franck at gmx.com (Thomas Franck)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:41:24 +0200
Subject: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
In-Reply-To: <200910010924.18684.perezdiez@gmail.com>
References: <4AC31589.3050001@gmx.com>	<792ba59f0909300330qe93b964gf109b6a888bf70b6@mail.gmail.com>	<4AC3B20B.7060905@gmx.com>
	<200910010924.18684.perezdiez@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC66574.7050908@gmx.com>

Jose Luis Perez Diez wrote:
> If those lines are repeating then the kernel has not panicked and is runing 
> with a mounted rootfs.
> 
> You can try to ssh to the phone or see if it is recognized as an cdc-ethernet 
> on the pc ( if you are using shr or om2009 that means the module g-eher is 
> installed and the rootfs is mounted )

I tried to run my neonet script to set up USB networking.. no joy.. the
interface is not there.. ("running" SHR, btw)

it's sad, isn't it..? :(
-- 
Thomas

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From elektranox at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 22:09:14 2009
From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:09:14 +0200
Subject: No wireless in Debian Sid
In-Reply-To: <ef378ab30910021037y27ae31aaxb24ecd59dba19ee9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef378ab30910021037y27ae31aaxb24ecd59dba19ee9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091002200913.GA14052@earth.universe>

On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 11:37:03AM -0600, Esteban Monge wrote:
> Hello I haved installed Debian GNU/Linux in my Neo Freerunner, but I cant use
> the wireless.
> 
> What is the problem?

Hi,

1. You need to configure eth0
2. Device does not exist until you enable it via fso-frameworkd
   (this will save power when not using wifi)

You can do the second step with dbus-send. I use the follwing script:

elektranox at freerunner ~ % cat /usr/local/bin/wifi
#!/bin/bash
if [[ $# < 1 ]] ; then
    echo "$0 <start|stop>"
    exit
fi

if [[ $1 == "start" ]] ; then
    dbus-send --system --dest=org.freesmartphone.odeviced --type=method_call --print-reply /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl.SetPower int32:1
else
    dbus-send --system --dest=org.freesmartphone.odeviced --type=method_call --print-reply /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl.SetPower int32:0
fi
elektranox at freerunner ~ % wifi start
method return sender=:1.9 -> dest=:1.31 reply_serial=2
elektranox at freerunner ~ % ifconfig eth0
eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:12:cf:8e:e2:ba  
          BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:2 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
          RX bytes:15 (15.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)

elektranox at freerunner ~ % wifi stop    
method return sender=:1.9 -> dest=:1.32 reply_serial=2
elektranox at freerunner ~ % ifconfig eth0
eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found

-- Sebastian
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From lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net  Fri Oct  2 23:03:29 2009
From: lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net (Ben Wong)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:03:29 -0700
Subject: SHR clock reset
In-Reply-To: <4AC52AE5.6050703@sapo.pt>
References: <8b48b1570908280028q1dba9b4aof8fcdbaaa82a9ed2@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170908280340l7048671dy4582db292f62c269@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b48b1570908280352u55e77d5bx9b1d844638653e11@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170908280404m4993f036hcdd1e24e20d88540@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY114-W110B031D72230CBB5C3F06B2F50@phx.gbl>
	<c30e08170908280603y59fefe80n4e13860132881e56@mail.gmail.com>
	<1cc7690908281202t107d338fwac56e3dbbd0f85da@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC52AE5.6050703@sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <47e8c68d0910021403t170823e8x6420358a60c6d91e@mail.gmail.com>

Bizarrely, my Freerunner also got the wrong time yesterday.  Is there
something special about October 1st?

I'm running SHR testing, but I booted into an old copy of SHR unstable
and it also go it wrong.  The first time the date was 1970 (the
epoch), the second time it thought it was 1933! (Negative time? I'm
curious how that happened.)

I'm hoping it was just that I was near a badly configured cell tower.
When I checked it again later, after I got home, the time and date had
reset itself correctly.  On the other hand, I have *never* seen a cell
in the US with the time misconfigured.  I'll test it again when I head
back to the same area next week.

--Ben

2009/10/1 Vasco N?voa <vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt>:
> I've started experiencing the same in the last few days.
> The Neo's clock had always been impeccably correct, until now.
> Now it was half an hour late and I set it by hand.
> It appears the clock is drifting, and otimed isn't keeping it in sync with
> the GSM.
>
> The only hints in frameworkd.log are:
>
> 2009.10.01 18:05:25.88 otimed?????????????? INFO???? loaded timesources
> [<GPSTimeSource>, <NTPTimeSource checking 134.169.172.1 every 600 seconds>]
> 2009.10.01 18:05:25.124 otimed?????????????? INFO???? loaded zonesources
> [<GSMZoneSource>]
> 2009.10.01 18:05:25.138 frameworkd.subsystem INFO???? subsystem otimed took
> 1.53 seconds to startup
> 2009.10.01 18:06:27.163 otimed?????????????? INFO???? GSM: multiple zones
> found
> 2009.10.01 18:06:27.357 otimed?????????????? INFO???? GSM: multiple zones
> found
> 2009.10.01 18:16:39.457 otimed?????????????? INFO???? GSM: multiple zones
> found
> 2009.10.01 18:16:49.835 otimed?????????????? INFO???? GSM: multiple zones
> found
> 2009.10.01 19:18:44.462 otimed?????????????? INFO???? GSM: multiple zones
> found
> 2009.10.01 19:19:20.392 otimed?????????????? INFO???? GSM: multiple zones
> found
> 2009.10.01 19:19:48.627 otimed?????????????? INFO???? GSM: multiple zones
> found
> 2009.10.01 19:20:40.194 otimed?????????????? INFO???? GSM: multiple zones
> found
> 2009.10.01 19:20:58.312 otimed?????????????? INFO???? GSM: multiple zones
> found
> 2009.10.01 20:49:58.117 otimed?????????????? INFO???? GSM: multiple zones
> found
> 2009.10.01 20:53:14.628 otimed?????????????? INFO???? GSM: multiple zones
> found
> 2009.10.01 22:18:28.542 otimed?????????????? INFO???? GSM: multiple zones
> found
> 2009.10.01 22:48:41.491 otimed?????????????? INFO???? GSM: multiple zones
> found
>
> Does this "GSM: multiple zones found" situation create a problem?
>
> I looked at the hwclock, but it seems it's not even in use / not related to
> the time shown to user:
> ??? root at om-gta02 ~ $ hwclock -l
> ??? Thu Oct? 1 21:52:35 2009? 0.000000 seconds
> ??? root at om-gta02 ~ $ date
> ??? Thu Oct? 1 23:15:20 WEST 2009
>
> Any hints on what the problem is?
>
> Vikas Saurabh escreveu:
>
> Timezone from GSM is already implemented for ages ;)
>
>
> I have often got wrong timezones reported by cell (thereby resetting
> my phone's clock and making me reach late somewhere :(...but thats a
> different story)
>
> I was wondering if shr-settings can get something like:
> Use cell timezone:
> * yes
> * no
> * ask
>
> --Vikas
>
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From vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt  Fri Oct  2 11:49:29 2009
From: vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt (Vasco =?iso-8859-15?b?Tul2b2E=?=)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 10:49:29 +0100
Subject: Qi doesn't read my /boot/append-GTA02
In-Reply-To: <m23a62b59q.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <20090916123327.61522tgzglifdtes@w16.mail.sapo.pt>
	<m2zl8vhwpo.fsf@home.pavel.comp> <4AC52F6E.5060704@sapo.pt>
	<m23a62b59q.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <20091002104929.16694870pi6bggx5@w0.mail.sapo.pt>

Then I'd say this is a very desirable feature (kernel parameters when  
booting from flash), if and when anyone tinkers with Qi again.

Citando Paul Fertser <fercerpav at gmail.com>:

> Vasco N?voa <vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt> writes:
>> I'm booting from Flash, not SDcard.
>> Shouldn't the /boot/append file work the same? If it doesn't, where
>> are the kernel parameters defined?
>
> Qi can't read jffs2, in this case kernel parameters are hardcoded.
>
> --
> Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
> mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com
>



From helge.hafting at hist.no  Fri Oct  2 13:57:41 2009
From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:57:41 +0200
Subject: tangogps 0.9.7 release
In-Reply-To: <958244340909221244k7013d41cv87cb14f3f9b8d741@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090921184337.72cf34f9@one>	<200909221238.03834.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>	<20090922213825.4a8d5c49@one>
	<958244340909221244k7013d41cv87cb14f3f9b8d741@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC5EAB5.7040305@hist.no>

Joseph Reeves wrote:
>> You may instead always have the track logging switched on - so you will
>> always have all information. And maybe in twenty years time it is funny
>> to see where you were ;)
> 
> And, of course, there's no harm in uploading a track to OSM even if
> someone has been there before 

Actually, I got a mail once telling me not to do that. Seems there were 
limited room on servers, and "too much" of my tracks were "known stuff". 
So now I only edit with josm, I don't upload tracks.

Helge Hafting


From thomas.franck at gmx.com  Fri Oct  2 22:38:01 2009
From: thomas.franck at gmx.com (Thomas Franck)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:38:01 +0200
Subject: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
In-Reply-To: <792ba59f0910010353q4bd4a72bud4f38757136d3a5e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC31589.3050001@gmx.com>	<792ba59f0909300330qe93b964gf109b6a888bf70b6@mail.gmail.com>	<4AC3B20B.7060905@gmx.com>
	<792ba59f0910010353q4bd4a72bud4f38757136d3a5e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC664A9.4090702@gmx.com>

Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau wrote:
> Try NOR uBoot (at least I use that),
> also, you shouldn't by new FR, just boot from SD is always a solution.

Doesn't work for me..
I prepared the 512MB card to boot (following the wiki) and booted SDcard
via NOR.. same game.. CPU stall messages.. :(

think new FR is going to be the only way to get my happy life back..
(really got to love that little misfit)

Unless there are any more ideas? where does the message CPU stall come
from for what reason??

Cheers..
-- 
Thomas

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From jokr.nilsen at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 19:46:23 2009
From: jokr.nilsen at gmail.com (Jon Kristian Nilsen)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:46:23 -0700
Subject: Paroli Theme/UI proposals
Message-ID: <96dfad1e0910021046s56e061dew1200b83550cca745@mail.gmail.com>

>Also soon, a suspend button will appear on the launcher at the bottom
>right corner (in the current git, there is already a picture, but not
>a real button).

>The reasoning is simple, when you use your phone everyday (as I am),
>you want to suspend it *fast*. Without going to the illume icon view.

>So I think the design should include it.

Yes, I will take a look at this.

>Until now I requested the following things from Jon:
>1. put each topbar icon as a separate .png file online with an
>appropriate license.

There's one problem with this, not all of the icons are created by me, they
are royalty free icons which i've had laying around for quite a while, and I
really can't remember where I got them. This might be a problem, but it
should not be a huge deal for me to draw new ones if this is preffered? I
don't know if we can re-release under a licence, since they're free for all,
do you?

>2. show me one screen with unsmoothed text (whatever it means)

I will change this.

>I have been thinking about implementing a bit more. I will read
>one more time throughly the proposal, and write a summary letter,
>how I think we should proceed, and how others can dive
>into e gui development.

Nice.


>Jon: Can you redraw the home screen using inkscape? Just that one:
http://jonkristian.no/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/main.jpg

Yes I can.

>Here is a barebone .svg file, to get starting:
http://laszlo.krekacs.googlepages.com/concept_drawing.svg
Thanks.

>Dont concentrate on the small details, ie. the gradients between the rows.
>Use simple rectangles, also for the icons you can use your already
separated .png files.

I might have to draw a new iconset myself, because I'm not sure we can
re-release royalty-free stuff, in any case, it should be fairly simple.

>I will be offline for the weekend, so my detailed letter will come on
monday the latest. Until it's plenty of time for inkscape >learning;-)

>I can't promise any work this weekend, been to the dentist today and pulled
two teeth, don't feel quite well yet.

>ps: For gui development we will use inkscape. The reasoning is simple:
>it is the best (open source) program for the purpose. So if we would
>use photoshop for example, its a huge (financial) barrier for others to
enter.

>Also with inkscape, with a little training, you can exactly feel how
>the gui will be build. In edje, the gui is drawn on a canvas, just like
>in inkscape. Only limited thing is, we dont have that many tool (ie.
>we only have rectangles, images, texts, etc in our repertoire, and not
>the more advanced things like vector circle, spiral or bezier curve
>as in inkscape)

Inkscape and photoshop ain't comparable, ps is not for vectors. But I always
work with my mockup's in ps,
I'll draw these in illustrator, there's no problem exporting them as svg and
opening in inkscape, as far as i know.

- Jon Kristian
-- 
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From undrwater at verizon.net  Fri Oct  2 01:00:13 2009
From: undrwater at verizon.net (Russell Dwiggins)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:00:13 -0700
Subject: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
Message-ID: <6470815AC8514F37BD681EEA8894885F@felix>

This is a complaint about the Illume keyboard not working in landscape mode.
I love the keyboard (when it works), so I'd like to continue using it in
landscape mode.

 

Basically what happens is that the selection window and keyboard selector
are shown, but the keys themselves appear as if they are below the bottom of
screen.  I saw a scap of it a while ago, but can't find it now.

 

Is this a bug that is awaiting resolution, or is there some workaround?  Are
folks just living with it, or installing litterki as a default?

 

Thanks!

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From esteban.francisco at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 02:29:58 2009
From: esteban.francisco at gmail.com (Esteban Monge)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 18:29:58 -0600
Subject: No wireless in Debian Sid
In-Reply-To: <20091002200913.GA14052@earth.universe>
References: <ef378ab30910021037y27ae31aaxb24ecd59dba19ee9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091002200913.GA14052@earth.universe>
Message-ID: <ef378ab30910021729k77839fe5i37f2828b9cdd90f6@mail.gmail.com>

Excelent works great, thanks for the help.

I promise modify a little script for do it through a GUI. In Debian
GNU/Linux don?t have official GUIs for GPRS or WiFi, I found a little script
that lets you connect to GPRS through GUI, I corrected to make it work FSO,
but I do not known make packages of programs, I hope soon to do and I can
tell.

And sorry for my bad english... thanks for the help...

2009/10/2 Sebastian Reichel <elektranox at gmail.com>

> On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 11:37:03AM -0600, Esteban Monge wrote:
> > Hello I haved installed Debian GNU/Linux in my Neo Freerunner, but I cant
> use
> > the wireless.
> >
> > What is the problem?
>
> Hi,
>
> 1. You need to configure eth0
> 2. Device does not exist until you enable it via fso-frameworkd
>   (this will save power when not using wifi)
>
> You can do the second step with dbus-send. I use the follwing script:
>
> elektranox at freerunner ~ % cat /usr/local/bin/wifi
> #!/bin/bash
> if [[ $# < 1 ]] ; then
>    echo "$0 <start|stop>"
>    exit
> fi
>
> if [[ $1 == "start" ]] ; then
>    dbus-send --system --dest=org.freesmartphone.odeviced --type=method_call
> --print-reply /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi
> org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl.SetPower int32:1
> else
>    dbus-send --system --dest=org.freesmartphone.odeviced --type=method_call
> --print-reply /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi
> org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl.SetPower int32:0
> fi
> elektranox at freerunner ~ % wifi start
> method return sender=:1.9 -> dest=:1.31 reply_serial=2
> elektranox at freerunner ~ % ifconfig eth0
> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:12:cf:8e:e2:ba
>          BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>          RX packets:2 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
>          RX bytes:15 (15.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
>
> elektranox at freerunner ~ % wifi stop
> method return sender=:1.9 -> dest=:1.32 reply_serial=2
> elektranox at freerunner ~ % ifconfig eth0
> eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found
>
> -- Sebastian
>
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> E7IAn29ki5Wy1Dct5zaZDD2FRisdzRmW
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quedemos con solo negocios de pobre,
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empleados del exterior?
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From jedi.theone at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 17:23:31 2009
From: jedi.theone at gmail.com (Jed)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 01:23:31 +1000
Subject: Universal Remote for CE/HA? (openmoko)
In-Reply-To: <4AC4E376.80403@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.6251.1254259301.32323.community@lists.openmoko.org>
	<4AC2E3BD.6010001@gmail.com> <4AC3AF37.6010205@gmail.com>
	<4AC4E376.80403@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC61AF3.20007@gmail.com>

>>> I glued a infrared led into the aux key for this purpose. Did 
>>> someone already try to compile lirc for the FR? My attempt to just 
>>> 'bitbake' it failed (missing kernel configuration).
>>
>> Hmmm, wonder if some of the other hand-held platforms do have IR? 
>> Surely there's at least one device?! Lets see there's: Android 
>> devices, Maemo devices, Axim x5xx (kinda), any others?

Last crack  ;-)

Does anyone know of any OSS supported devices that do have IR integrated?

Wifi would get most use in my intended application but IR would be handy!

Thanks,
Jed


From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Fri Oct  2 18:25:51 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:25:51 +0100
Subject: [fso based] Simplified mixer app
In-Reply-To: <f36e37470910020318n69795571h70ae5b76d855e3d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<f36e37470910020318n69795571h70ae5b76d855e3d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910021725.51353.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Friday 02 October 2009, Michele Brocco wrote:
> cool idea!
> 
> would be nice if through this App we could finally make sound coming
> through earpiece with the voip-handset state file. Still struggling
> with it

This app has nothing to do with that I'm afraid. It should eventually give a 
slider each for mic and earpiece, but that'll just tweak the settings in voip-
handset.state slightly. It won't do state switching on answer or hangup, or 
sort any fundamental issues with the sound config. Problems with voip config 
are for another thread though.


From david at tuxbrain.com  Sat Oct  3 03:04:45 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 03:04:45 +0200
Subject: OM-Showroom Something to show
Message-ID: <5c6ceea80910021804t14532616y274a9d696a28c62a@mail.gmail.com>

take a look here[1] for some screenshots and explanations :)
Please comments and of course collaboration :)

[1]http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/om-showroom-something-show

David Reyes Samblas Martinez
http://www.tuxbrain.com
Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!


From robin.paulson at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 03:42:48 2009
From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:42:48 +1300
Subject: tangogps 0.9.7 release
In-Reply-To: <4AC5EAB5.7040305@hist.no>
References: <20090921184337.72cf34f9@one>
	<200909221238.03834.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<20090922213825.4a8d5c49@one>
	<958244340909221244k7013d41cv87cb14f3f9b8d741@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC5EAB5.7040305@hist.no>
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2009/10/3 Helge Hafting <helge.hafting at hist.no>:
> Actually, I got a mail once telling me not to do that. Seems there were
> limited room on servers, and "too much" of my tracks were "known stuff".
> So now I only edit with josm, I don't upload tracks.

who told you that? i'd be very surprised if that was anyone who
actually had an involvement with the osm infrastructure (servers,
etc.). the people involved in maintaining and directing osm are pretty
light in their instructions to everyone else (which has good and bad
side effects...)

myself, i'd be inclined to ignore them and carry on uploading tracks


From marcus.bauer at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 15:26:14 2009
From: marcus.bauer at gmail.com (Marcus Bauer)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:26:14 +0200
Subject: tangogps 0.9.7 release
In-Reply-To: <200910011149.51474.zimmermann@vdm-design.de>
References: <20090921184337.72cf34f9@one>
	<200910011149.51474.zimmermann@vdm-design.de>
Message-ID: <20091002152614.0bd42bde@one>

On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 11:49:51 +0200
Thomas Zimmermann <zimmermann at vdm-design.de> wrote:

> Hi,
> i tried tangogps 0.9.7 on SHR today and it segfaults on zooming. So i
> assume that the runtimedepencies changed. Can you announce the
> runtimedepencies for it?

No dependency changes. There is a multiple unref of a pixbuf, I got a
patch from Joshua Rosen which fixes it. Will be in the next release -
can't promise to make one this weekend though.

Speaking of segfaults, there have been multiple reports from SHR users
about segfaults when editing or adding repos. I added some additional
check in 0.9.7 and would like to know if this has helped - I have no
SHR here for testing.

Marcus


From risto at kurppa.fi  Sat Oct  3 08:15:57 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 09:15:57 +0300
Subject: OM-Showroom Something to show
In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80910021804t14532616y274a9d696a28c62a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5c6ceea80910021804t14532616y274a9d696a28c62a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d3e504410910022315p8c3a94aj9c9e0541ddc363d4@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 4:04 AM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez
<david at tuxbrain.com> wrote:
> take a look here[1] for some screenshots and explanations :)
> Please comments and of course collaboration :)
>
> [1]http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/om-showroom-something-show


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaa-WESOME!!

I was already a bit despair not having heard from you for a week or so.

But this is great!! Please install it SOOON on a live server and
enable the community to help with the screenshots, descriptions etc.
Let's go live!

r



------------------

| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From risto at kurppa.fi  Sat Oct  3 08:20:14 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 09:20:14 +0300
Subject: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
In-Reply-To: <6470815AC8514F37BD681EEA8894885F@felix>
References: <6470815AC8514F37BD681EEA8894885F@felix>
Message-ID: <d3e504410910022320t7ad65f01se1a4bd88de1a261d@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Russell Dwiggins <undrwater at verizon.net> wrote:
> This is a complaint about the Illume keyboard not working in landscape
> mode.? I love the keyboard (when it works), so I?d like to continue using it
> in landscape mode.

Same here, it's not nice..


r

-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From fercerpav at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 08:30:30 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 10:30:30 +0400
Subject: No wireless in Debian Sid
In-Reply-To: <20091002200913.GA14052@earth.universe> (Sebastian Reichel's
	message of "Fri\, 2 Oct 2009 22\:09\:14 +0200")
References: <ef378ab30910021037y27ae31aaxb24ecd59dba19ee9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091002200913.GA14052@earth.universe>
Message-ID: <m2y6nt9egp.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

Sebastian Reichel <elektranox at gmail.com> writes:
>     dbus-send --system --dest=org.freesmartphone.odeviced --type=method_call --print-reply /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl.SetPower int32:1

FYI SetPower is an internal low-level method not supposed to be used
in the apps directly. Please read FSO_Resources wikipage if you want
to do it properly.

-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com


From matthias.huber at wollishausen.de  Sat Oct  3 10:10:46 2009
From: matthias.huber at wollishausen.de (Matthias Huber)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 10:10:46 +0200
Subject: Qi doesn't read my /boot/append-GTA02
In-Reply-To: <200910021143.37104.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <20090916123327.61522tgzglifdtes@w16.mail.sapo.pt>	<m2zl8vhwpo.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<4AC52F6E.5060704@sapo.pt>
	<200910021143.37104.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4AC70706.9050408@wollishausen.de>

Al Johnson schrieb:
> On Thursday 01 October 2009, Vasco N?voa wrote:
>   
>> I'm booting from Flash, not SDcard.
>> Shouldn't the /boot/append file work the same?
>>     
>
> No. Qi can read fat and ext2/3 but not jffs2, reiserfs and so on.  Since flash 
> uses jffs2 Qi can't read the /boot/append file.
>
>   
just an idea: maybe it could read the u-boot-env partition for parameters ?
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From mjt at nysv.org  Sat Oct  3 11:07:36 2009
From: mjt at nysv.org (Markus =?utf-8?Q?T=F6rnqvist?=)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 12:07:36 +0300
Subject: OM-Showroom Something to show
In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80910021804t14532616y274a9d696a28c62a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5c6ceea80910021804t14532616y274a9d696a28c62a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091003090736.GG537@nysv.org>

On Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 03:04:45AM +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
>take a look here[1] for some screenshots and explanations :)
>Please comments and of course collaboration :)
>
>[1]http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/om-showroom-something-show

!!!

I still have lots of unread email about this, but I'm happy to see things
are still progressing :)

There should probably be a closed beta before the public launch!

Thanks, guys!

-- 
mjt



From bernd.pruenster at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 11:06:05 2009
From: bernd.pruenster at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bernd_Pr=FCnster?=)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 11:06:05 +0200
Subject: OM-Showroom Something to show
In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80910021804t14532616y274a9d696a28c62a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5c6ceea80910021804t14532616y274a9d696a28c62a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC713FD.7010509@gmail.com>

David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
> take a look here[1] for some screenshots and explanations :)
> Please comments and of course collaboration :)
>
> [1]http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/om-showroom-something-show
>
>   
Looks awesome, but it has a _MAJOR_ problem: to optimized for 480x640.



From hns at computer.org  Sat Oct  3 12:08:32 2009
From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 12:08:32 +0200
Subject: Universal Remote for CE/HA? (openmoko)
In-Reply-To: <4AC61AF3.20007@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.6251.1254259301.32323.community@lists.openmoko.org>
	<4AC2E3BD.6010001@gmail.com> <4AC3AF37.6010205@gmail.com>
	<4AC4E376.80403@gmail.com> <4AC61AF3.20007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0C9890D-36C9-431F-BA78-2AA1ECC90D99@computer.org>


Am 02.10.2009 um 17:23 schrieb Jed:

>>>> I glued a infrared led into the aux key for this purpose. Did
>>>> someone already try to compile lirc for the FR? My attempt to just
>>>> 'bitbake' it failed (missing kernel configuration).
>>>
>>> Hmmm, wonder if some of the other hand-held platforms do have IR?
>>> Surely there's at least one device?! Lets see there's: Android
>>> devices, Maemo devices, Axim x5xx (kinda), any others?
>
> Last crack  ;-)
>
> Does anyone know of any OSS supported devices that do have IR  
> integrated?

Sharp Zaurus?

>
> Wifi would get most use in my intended application but IR would be  
> handy!
>
> Thanks,
> Jed
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



From ssj2micvm at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 12:33:28 2009
From: ssj2micvm at gmail.com (Michele Brocco)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 12:33:28 +0200
Subject: [fso based] Simplified mixer app
In-Reply-To: <200910021725.51353.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<f36e37470910020318n69795571h70ae5b76d855e3d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910021725.51353.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f36e37470910030333jd892ffbje6adbcf4b4b42e43@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/2/09, Al Johnson <openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On Friday 02 October 2009, Michele Brocco wrote:
>> cool idea!
>>
>> would be nice if through this App we could finally make sound coming
>> through earpiece with the voip-handset state file. Still struggling
>> with it
>
> This app has nothing to do with that I'm afraid. It should eventually give a
> slider each for mic and earpiece, but that'll just tweak the settings in
> voip-
> handset.state slightly. It won't do state switching on answer or hangup, or
> sort any fundamental issues with the sound config. Problems with voip config
> are for another thread though.
>
I am aware of that, but u can sort of experiment with the volumes if
finally the sound can come through the earpiece which is not working
now.


From ccc94453 at vip.cybercity.dk  Sat Oct  3 12:33:37 2009
From: ccc94453 at vip.cybercity.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 12:33:37 +0200
Subject: SHR clock reset
In-Reply-To: <47e8c68d0910021403t170823e8x6420358a60c6d91e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b48b1570908280028q1dba9b4aof8fcdbaaa82a9ed2@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170908280340l7048671dy4582db292f62c269@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b48b1570908280352u55e77d5bx9b1d844638653e11@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170908280404m4993f036hcdd1e24e20d88540@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY114-W110B031D72230CBB5C3F06B2F50@phx.gbl>
	<c30e08170908280603y59fefe80n4e13860132881e56@mail.gmail.com>
	<1cc7690908281202t107d338fwac56e3dbbd0f85da@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC52AE5.6050703@sapo.pt>
	<47e8c68d0910021403t170823e8x6420358a60c6d91e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091003103337.GU8873@vip.cybercity.dk>

On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 02:03:29PM -0700, Ben Wong wrote:
> Bizarrely, my Freerunner also got the wrong time yesterday.  Is there
> something special about October 1st?
> 
> I'm running SHR testing, but I booted into an old copy of SHR unstable
> and it also go it wrong.  The first time the date was 1970 (the
> epoch)

   Yes, kernel pcf50633-rtc bug fixed more than half a year ago; please
update your kernel. The same bug was also in the pcf50606-rtc driver
(GTA01). As I mentioned back in March [1], one of the dates that shows the
bug is October 1st. But nobody listens to me.  :-(

[1] https://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-March/043872.html

-- 
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year


From ajvogel at tuks.co.za  Sat Oct  3 13:21:45 2009
From: ajvogel at tuks.co.za (Adolph J. Vogel)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:21:45 +0200
Subject: Paroli Theme/UI proposals
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc80910011409m53da0467uecaccb6d7d67beac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <96dfad1e0909301426ke31ffe5le11b8a1155220e85@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC4F692.8010804@xepher.net>
	<c4cd0cc80910011409m53da0467uecaccb6d7d67beac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910031321.45656.ajvogel@tuks.co.za>


>
> You completely missed my point. I see many old people, when they look
> at their phone, they take an *eyeglasses* to be able to navigate or
> dial a people from the phonebook.
>

I agree, although im not *old* I do wear glasses for reading. Since I dont 
need the glasses for anything but reading I dont always have them with me. I 
dont want to have to put my glasses on when using my phone.

Regards, Adolph






From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 13:36:01 2009
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:36:01 +0200
Subject: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
In-Reply-To: <4AC664A9.4090702@gmx.com>
References: <4AC31589.3050001@gmx.com>
	<792ba59f0909300330qe93b964gf109b6a888bf70b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC3B20B.7060905@gmx.com>
	<792ba59f0910010353q4bd4a72bud4f38757136d3a5e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC664A9.4090702@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <c30e08170910030436s6a58c88fvfc2d2dbba7f956e4@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/2/09, Thomas Franck <thomas.franck at gmx.com> wrote:
> Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau wrote:
>> Try NOR uBoot (at least I use that),
>> also, you shouldn't by new FR, just boot from SD is always a solution.
>
> Doesn't work for me..
> I prepared the 512MB card to boot (following the wiki) and booted SDcard
> via NOR.. same game.. CPU stall messages.. :(
>
> think new FR is going to be the only way to get my happy life back..
> (really got to love that little misfit)
>
> Unless there are any more ideas? where does the message CPU stall come
> from for what reason??
>
> Cheers..
> --
> Thomas

CPU stall? Leave FR turned on for few hours on that message. About
half year ago I have few times the same problem, and leaving it for 10
minutes helped for me. And I still don't know, what was the cause of
that ;x

-- 
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
dos


From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 13:40:54 2009
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:40:54 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410910022320t7ad65f01se1a4bd88de1a261d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6470815AC8514F37BD681EEA8894885F@felix>
	<d3e504410910022320t7ad65f01se1a4bd88de1a261d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c30e08170910030440x7ab2471fp117ded6ff17ffbc0@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/3/09, Risto H. Kurppa <risto at kurppa.fi> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Russell Dwiggins <undrwater at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>> This is a complaint about the Illume keyboard not working in landscape
>> mode.  I love the keyboard (when it works), so I?d like to continue using
>> it
>> in landscape mode.
>
> Same here, it's not nice..
>
>
> r
>
> --
> | risto h. kurppa
> | risto at kurppa dot fi
> | http://risto.kurppa.fi
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>

Just restart enlightenment, or only keyboard. It works with landscape,
it just doesn't switch correctly to landscape mode in runtime.

-- 
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
dos


From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Sat Oct  3 13:55:31 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 12:55:31 +0100
Subject: Universal Remote for CE/HA? (openmoko)
In-Reply-To: <4AC61AF3.20007@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.6251.1254259301.32323.community@lists.openmoko.org>
	<4AC4E376.80403@gmail.com> <4AC61AF3.20007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910031255.31931.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Friday 02 October 2009, Jed wrote:
> >>> I glued a infrared led into the aux key for this purpose. Did
> >>> someone already try to compile lirc for the FR? My attempt to just
> >>> 'bitbake' it failed (missing kernel configuration).
> >>
> >> Hmmm, wonder if some of the other hand-held platforms do have IR?
> >> Surely there's at least one device?! Lets see there's: Android
> >> devices, Maemo devices, Axim x5xx (kinda), any others?
> 
> Last crack  ;-)
> 
> Does anyone know of any OSS supported devices that do have IR integrated?

Psion 5, 5mx, Ericsson mc218. Slow cpu, limited memory, monochrome and old 
kernel, but excellent battery life on a pair of AAs. Probably not the form 
factor you're after though.

Neuros OSD - for a low power consumption ethernet to IR gateway and standard 
def media player. Again probably not what you're after.


From david at tuxbrain.com  Sat Oct  3 14:08:41 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:08:41 +0200
Subject: OM-Showroom Something to show
In-Reply-To: <4AC713FD.7010509@gmail.com>
References: <5c6ceea80910021804t14532616y274a9d696a28c62a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC713FD.7010509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c6ceea80910030508h68c04280ma0c5e587df1cb5d0@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/3 Bernd Pr?nster <bernd.pruenster at gmail.com>:
> David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
>> take a look here[1] for some screenshots and explanations :)
>> Please comments and of course collaboration :)
>>
>> [1]http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/om-showroom-something-show
>>
>>
> Looks awesome, but it has a _MAJOR_ problem: to optimized for 480x640.
As you can see this is an adaptation of the existing an already
existing apt-portal aplication, playdeb.net website, I think this is a
quicker approach to have something running ASAP.

apt-portal/cherrypy has mechanism to detect navigator agent[1] and the
ideas is to make the site adapt himself to the neo resolution if it's
detected(using other css), also deactivate some of the eyecandy
effects than comes by default as javascript progressive smoth popups
of the pics and vids etc, but let us time to have at least a "basic"
desktop version ready and then we will move forward to add more
features, as multi distro, neo adaptation, comments, voting,
localization, and whatever we can desire on such kind of site :).....

I have updated the blog post with a picture of the om-hompage on the
qtmoko9 default browser. I don't look so bad ;), the other pages make
the browser crash indeed :P

[1]
Example of the l apt-portal log of from my desktop
"GET /updates/ HTTP/1.1" 200 3186 "http://192.168.2.191:8080/welcome/"
"Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; es-ES; rv:1.9.0.14) Gecko/2009090216
Ubuntu/9.04 (jaunty) Firefox/3.0.14"
Example of the log from the default webbrowser of qtmoko9
"GET /css/img/info_header.gif HTTP/1.1" 200 8147
"http://192.168.2.191:8080/updates/" "Mozilla/5.0 (QtEmbedded; U;
Linux; en-US) AppleWebKit/527+ (KHTML, like Gecko, Safari/419.3)
webviewer"

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From vanous at penguin.cz  Sat Oct  3 14:44:30 2009
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:44:30 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
References: <6470815AC8514F37BD681EEA8894885F@felix>
	<d3e504410910022320t7ad65f01se1a4bd88de1a261d@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170910030440x7ab2471fp117ded6ff17ffbc0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091003144430.0ae452ae@vanek.robe.cz>

>Just restart enlightenment, or only keyboard. It works with landscape,
>it just doesn't switch correctly to landscape mode in runtime.

please word it correctly: it doesn't work correctly in landscape but
there is an ugly hack to perform each time you rotate to make it fit.
Illume (E) has had this ever since, i still wander what keeps it being
the top w-manager for the freerunner.

Petr




From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 14:48:35 2009
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:48:35 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
In-Reply-To: <20091003144430.0ae452ae@vanek.robe.cz>
References: <6470815AC8514F37BD681EEA8894885F@felix>
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On 10/3/09, Petr Vanek <vanous at penguin.cz> wrote:
>>Just restart enlightenment, or only keyboard. It works with landscape,
>>it just doesn't switch correctly to landscape mode in runtime.
>
> please word it correctly: it doesn't work correctly in landscape but
> there is an ugly hack to perform each time you rotate to make it fit.
> Illume (E) has had this ever since, i still wander what keeps it being
> the top w-manager for the freerunner.
>
> Petr

It worked correctly for long time, just revision used actually in SHR
has this bug. And it's really old revision, it's possible it was even
fixed long time ago.

And it works correctly on landscape and always worked, just in
revision we're using ATM switching at runtime doesn't work. That's
correct wording.

-- 
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
dos


From bernd.pruenster at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 14:53:28 2009
From: bernd.pruenster at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bernd_Pr=FCnster?=)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:53:28 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
In-Reply-To: <20091003144430.0ae452ae@vanek.robe.cz>
References: <6470815AC8514F37BD681EEA8894885F@felix>	<d3e504410910022320t7ad65f01se1a4bd88de1a261d@mail.gmail.com>	<c30e08170910030440x7ab2471fp117ded6ff17ffbc0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091003144430.0ae452ae@vanek.robe.cz>
Message-ID: <4AC74948.5060708@gmail.com>

Petr Vanek wrote:
>> Just restart enlightenment, or only keyboard. It works with landscape,
>> it just doesn't switch correctly to landscape mode in runtime.
>>     
>
> please word it correctly: it doesn't work correctly in landscape but
> there is an ugly hack to perform each time you rotate to make it fit.
> Illume (E) has had this ever since, i still wander what keeps it being
> the top w-manager for the freerunner.
>
> Petr
>   
There are several reasons imho, but why i did not switch to sth else: 
the illume kbd is awesome!
Yes e-docs are practically not there, but personally i think it is the 
toolkit of the future.
also performance is great in comparison to what you get/what is possible...



From bernd.pruenster at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 14:56:01 2009
From: bernd.pruenster at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bernd_Pr=FCnster?=)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:56:01 +0200
Subject: [debian] shr apps/stability usable as daily phone?
Message-ID: <4AC749E1.5030902@gmail.com>

since shr apps are now part of pkg-fso repo i was wondering how stable 
si it, because now i am seriously considering to switch to debain 
[wardriving!!!]
is it as stable as (the stable shr u revisions) shr?


From vanous at penguin.cz  Sat Oct  3 15:45:50 2009
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:45:50 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
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	<d3e504410910022320t7ad65f01se1a4bd88de1a261d@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170910030440x7ab2471fp117ded6ff17ffbc0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091003144430.0ae452ae@vanek.robe.cz>
	<4AC74948.5060708@gmail.com>
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PV>> please word it correctly: it doesn't work correctly in landscape
PV>> but there is an ugly hack to perform each time you rotate to make
PV>> it fit. Illume (E) has had this ever since, i still wander what
PV>> keeps it being the top w-manager for the freerunner.

SK> And it works correctly on landscape and always worked, just in
SK> revision we're using ATM switching at runtime doesn't work. That's
SK> correct wording.

BP> There are several reasons imho, but why i did not switch to sth
BP> else: the illume kbd is awesome!
BP> Yes e-docs are practically not there, but personally i think it is
BP> the toolkit of the future.
BP> also performance is great in comparison to what you get/what is
BP> possible...

i know all the reasoning, but the bottom line is: if you just want to
rotate screen and have larger keyboard it doesn't work and it has been
like that for a long time. restarting E every sinle time you want to
write an sms in landscape sounds probably good to some, not to me.
as with the keyboard, there have long been issues with subfolders on
desktop, another desktop altogether, full-screen with no keyboard etc.

i don't want to sound negative, but don't try to convince me or others
that it works the way it was intended. it doesn't. despite the issues, i
like illume and i really wish it is moved from the backburner to the
front one to get some TLC.

Petr






From cvwillegen at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 15:52:29 2009
From: cvwillegen at gmail.com (Christ van Willegen)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:52:29 +0200
Subject: [Qi - SHR-U/All?] Pink line of death
Message-ID: <b77f73010910030652y50167ee3p6339483864d27593@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Has anyone seen the 'pink line of death' at any time?

My FR sometimes does not suspend, but instead shows a black screen
with a pink/purple line at about 33% from the bottom of the screen.
The backlight is fully on. Also, the screen is whining.

I haven't been able to reproduce it with a known procedure, but it may
have to do with rotating the phone during suspend.

I also haven't had it in this state on such times that it was possible
to SSH into it to see if it was still alive or not.

Shall I file a bug report with this meager information?

Christ van Willegen


From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 15:55:51 2009
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:55:51 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
In-Reply-To: <20091003154550.1da0b095@vanek.robe.cz>
References: <6470815AC8514F37BD681EEA8894885F@felix>
	<d3e504410910022320t7ad65f01se1a4bd88de1a261d@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170910030440x7ab2471fp117ded6ff17ffbc0@mail.gmail.com>
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On 10/3/09, Petr Vanek <vanous at penguin.cz> wrote:
> PV>> please word it correctly: it doesn't work correctly in landscape
> PV>> but there is an ugly hack to perform each time you rotate to make
> PV>> it fit. Illume (E) has had this ever since, i still wander what
> PV>> keeps it being the top w-manager for the freerunner.
>
> SK> And it works correctly on landscape and always worked, just in
> SK> revision we're using ATM switching at runtime doesn't work. That's
> SK> correct wording.
>
> BP> There are several reasons imho, but why i did not switch to sth
> BP> else: the illume kbd is awesome!
> BP> Yes e-docs are practically not there, but personally i think it is
> BP> the toolkit of the future.
> BP> also performance is great in comparison to what you get/what is
> BP> possible...
>
> i know all the reasoning, but the bottom line is: if you just want to
> rotate screen and have larger keyboard it doesn't work and it has been
> like that for a long time. restarting E every sinle time you want to
> write an sms in landscape sounds probably good to some, not to me.
> as with the keyboard, there have long been issues with subfolders on
> desktop, another desktop altogether, full-screen with no keyboard etc.
>
> i don't want to sound negative, but don't try to convince me or others
> that it works the way it was intended. it doesn't. despite the issues, i
> like illume and i really wish it is moved from the backburner to the
> front one to get some TLC.
>
> Petr

But I already told you - you don't have to restart whole E. Just enter
to keyboard menu in illume wrench, select none, and then default (it
will restart illume keyboard). And it'll work just nicely.

-- 
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
dos


From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Sat Oct  3 15:59:08 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:59:08 +0100
Subject: [fso based] Simplified mixer app
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc80910020742y38d3e24ft8f6bc77d0ee73583@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<c4cd0cc80910020717k1d122b22k32c633128dd55f2d@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <200910031459.08552.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

Thanks for the feedback. The local beer festival may slow down the fixes 
though. I'll try to pull everything into one reply...

On Friday 02 October 2009, Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> There have been many attempts to implement volume control;)
> Angus looked into it, did two versions (gtk, and after elementary)....

This one is derived form Angus's fso-mixer.py, and the Advanced view should 
look and behave almost identically. The novel part is bringing several alsa 
controls into one slider, so I was hoping for feedback on how well that worked 
at avoiding distortion on the gsm mic or the earpiece. Having said that I can 
see that I may need to improve the GUI to get more people testing it, and to 
make it more useful for people :-)

> I have also researched some of the things.
> 
> Nice to see, that there is an another attempt. I hope you will done it
>  right;)
> 
> I have only one suggestion:
> Please implement a help button on every near every group, where you
> explain shortly the most essential infos about the options.

That seems reasonable. The aim is to have a single slider for each group in 
the simple view. Showing multiple sliders in the simple view is the fallback 
for where there isn't a lookup table for mapping them to a single slider yet. 
If I do it then it would appear for individual sliders whichever view they 
were in though.

> I just launched your program and it picked up the stereout .state file, and
> displayed the sliders. Screenshot:
> http://laszlo.krekacs.googlepages.com/fso-mixer-screenshot.png
> 
> The screenshot is a bit wrong, because it does show the "Stereo Out"
>  string, in the middle (above Microphone). So it looks normal in real life,
>  dunno why the
> screenshot didnt included it. (maybe it was rendering while captured the
>  screen)
> 
> I would like see the following help buttons:
> Stereo Out [help]
> Microphone [help]
> Speaker [help]

I would like you to see only one slider in the simple view ;-) I just need to 
assemble the lookup table. I should have done that before release since it's 
the first one people will see.

> Help of the Stere Out page should be something similar:
> """
> Stereo Out state is corresponds, when the phone is idle
> (ie waiting for incoming call, or playing music).
> Microphone is disabled in this state, and Speaker corresponds to
> the speaker at the bottom near to the Neo text.
> [Should show a picture with a neo indicating where the microphone and
> the speaker are.]
> """
> 
> Help of Microphone page should be something similar:
> """
> Mic2 corresponds to XXX alsa settings (or group of alsa settings)
> Mono corresponds to XXX alsa setting
> Mono Sidetone corresponds to XXX alsa setting.
> Microphone can be altered also by this alsa settings: XXX,YYY, ZZZ
> However it is strongly discouraged to touch them.

The names are those returned by pyalsaaudio for that channel, and match the 
ones in alsamixer. I'll see if it can give me anything else like channel 
number though, or perhaps code it into the lookup. I sense some refactoring 
coming on...

> Advices:
> The monoside tone is used for XXX. You should hear XXX, when you
> raise it. Highest state does not automatically means better/louder
> voice transmitted.
> 
> Also some other advices how to correctly adjust the sliders. Like on
> the wiki page:
> reduce #5 by some 15..30 steps
> do testcall:
> you get very low volume at far end. but tone should be clear, no
> clipping (sharp agressive noise)
> if there is clipping: reduce #48 by one step (i.e. to "2")
> then adjust #5 to your preferences and taste
> 
> """
> 
> Keep in mind that your program should be self-explanatory and
> useful for even for the first time user.

That's the aim.

> If you want the explanatory pictures, Im sure somebody can draw it
> for you. If nobody step up, I look into what can I make;)
> 
> 
> There is also some AT command to affect the voice quality.
> Mickey told me, that on his freerunner, value 4 works better then
> value 5 (the default).
> I think it should also be included in your program, to give the
> ability to play with it...
> (if the user are still not satisfied with the result).

There is an AT command for the gsm playback volume, and an fso call to adjust 
it. I haven't found anything that gives a setting to dB mapping for this 
function though, so I can't easily include it in the gain mapping. The best I 
could do at the moment is to add an extra slider for it in the GSM states. If 
I do that I should probably add sliders for the bluez headset controls too. 

> Usability reports:
> 
> IT is nice, that your program switch the display automagically when the
> incoming call happens.

You can thank Angus for that. I'm just building on his foundations.

> However I think these are defectives:
> 1. when clicking on save there is no report what you did exactly, and was
>  it successful.
> I think on shr, you should save the .state file to /usr/share/shr/scenarii/
>  dir. So I expect something similar:
> Copying /usr/share/shr/scenarii/stereout.state to
> ~/.simplemixer/backup/stereout-20091002-1424.state... Success!
> Overwriting /usr/share/shr/stereout.state... Success!
> Saving was successful, even after reboot you should have the same
> voice experience as now.

See reply to later message on this point below...

> 2. When you adjusted the microphone while talking, and other hangup,
> your program automagically switch back to stereout.state display
> -> no ability to save the adjusted gsmhandset.state (the state file
> while talking)

Correct. I'm not sure that I can fix that easily, 

> We should be able to switch between states, and adjust/save them
>  invidually. Also you should display which one is active currently (bold
>  text, or something similar).

Pick the state from a dropdown list? I think that at the moment you get a 
blank screen if the state isn't recognised.

> However I like your program! Keep it up!

Thanks.

> Would be nice to create a googlecode project for this.

But then I'd need a google account :-( 

On Friday 02 October 2009, Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
> 
> <laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com> wrote:
> > So when saving there is some dbus messaging going on.
> > But there is no message what is really going on.
> 
> Ok, after looking at the code (line 790):
>    def SaveState(self, arg, scenario):
>         self.audio_iface.StoreScenario(scenario)
> 
> I didnt find StoreScenario on the docs.freesmartphone.org:
> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmar
> tphone.Device.Audio.html;hb=HEAD
> 
> Nice to see, there is such an option. I was completely unaware of this
>  feature. Btw, where should inform myself of the correct freesmartphone
>  doc? IS there somewhere a newer doc? How do you do it?

mdbus -s sometimes finds tings that haven't reached the documentation yet. I 
decided to use it instead of the hardcoded paths Angus had.

> For you code: You dont do any sanity checking if the storing was
> successful (what frameworkd returns by the way? True/False?)
> 
> Would be nice to check for it and display to the user about the outcome.

Checking returns and adding exception handling are on the todo list as always. 
I'm guilty of cutting a few corners to see if the lookup table idea would 
work.

On Friday 02 October 2009, Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
> 
> <laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com> wrote:
> > ps: Ok I stop spamming your thread.
> 
> Cant stand it...:(
> 
> After I adjusted the mic volume during call, and pushed multiple times
> the save button.
> We hanged up. AFter about half hour, I got a call, and nobody heared
> anything (nor me, nor the callee).

Sorry. This is why I suggested backing up scenarios before using it.

> Im examining the difference between the two state files right now:
> Original: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/142502/
> Broken: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/142501/
> Diff: http://paste.pocoo.org/compare/142502/142501/

Which two state files? If that's a before/after for gsmhandset.state then 
something odd is happening as it has changes in things I shouldn't be 
touching. I guess either I'm saving to the wrong scenario name or this fso 
method isn't working properly yet. Did you save any other scenario between the 
calls? I suppose saving just before the end of the call might let fso change 
the scenario due before processing the save request. 

> Also on the console I have seen:
> Gain effectively muted. Returning 0

That may be an instance of getting 0 for a control that is actually at another 
setting. Unless you move the slider the setting will remain at its real value.

> The Earpiece slider is at 0 (it was always at 0, and worked fine). If
> I raise it, there is no
> difference.
> I see this in the console:
> Speaker: 0 set to 92
> Speaker: 1 set to 92
> Bypass: 0 set to 71
> Bypass: 1 set to 71
> Speaker: 0 set to 94
> Speaker: 1 set to 94
> Bypass: 0 set to 100
> Bypass: 1 set to 100
> 
> 
> Do you have any idea whats wrong?

The diff shows changes to the switch states for several amps and lines in/out 
which I shouldn't be touching. This may have turned off the connections to the 
gsm, in which case moving the sliders won't help.

On Friday 02 October 2009, Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
> 
> <laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com> wrote:
> > But there is so many things what changed, that Im completely lost.
> 
> Just wanted to notice you, that restoring the original
> gsmhandset.state file (and rebooting)
> does solve my problem. Im able to take call, and hear the other party.
> (and he able to hear me).

Rebooting?! Was that necessary, or did you just do it anyway? 

> Although your program was nice. It changed the mic way better, what I
> had. Other party
> said, its much louder and clearer.

Great! That's what I was hoping for! Now if I can just get it to save 
reliably...

> Hope you can sort out, why the broken .state file is broken. And where
> the bugs comes from ...


From jedi.theone at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 16:18:01 2009
From: jedi.theone at gmail.com (Jed)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 00:18:01 +1000
Subject: Universal Remote for CE/HA? (openmoko)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.18.1254574129.16259.community@lists.openmoko.org>
References: <mailman.18.1254574129.16259.community@lists.openmoko.org>
Message-ID: <4AC75D19.1080201@gmail.com>

>>>>> I glued a infrared led into the aux key for this purpose. Did
>>>>> someone already try to compile lirc for the FR? My attempt to just
>>>>> 'bitbake' it failed (missing kernel configuration).
>>>> Hmmm, wonder if some of the other hand-held platforms do have IR?
>>>> Surely there's at least one device?! Lets see there's: Android
>>>> devices, Maemo devices, Axim x5xx (kinda), any others?
>> Last crack  ;-)
>>
>> Does anyone know of any OSS supported devices that do have IR integrated?
> 
> Psion 5, 5mx, Ericsson mc218. Slow cpu, limited memory, monochrome and old 
> kernel, but excellent battery life on a pair of AAs. Probably not the form 
> factor you're after though.

Interesting idea thanks, perhaps a tad too old though as you say.
Form-factor would be closer to a standard remote but with an LCD, 
ideally touch-screen but not imperative.

> Neuros OSD - for a low power consumption ethernet to IR gateway and standard 
> def media player. Again probably not what you're after.

yeah really looking for hand-held device but thanks!


From sp at elec.gla.ac.uk  Sat Oct  3 16:31:44 2009
From: sp at elec.gla.ac.uk (Stuart Pullinger)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:31:44 +0100
Subject: [Qi - SHR-U/All?] Pink line of death
In-Reply-To: <b77f73010910030652y50167ee3p6339483864d27593@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b77f73010910030652y50167ee3p6339483864d27593@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091003143144.GB28229@roger>

> Has anyone seen the 'pink line of death' at any time?
> 
Yes. I've seen it.
> My FR sometimes does not suspend, but instead shows a black screen
> with a pink/purple line at about 33% from the bottom of the screen.
> The backlight is fully on. Also, the screen is whining.
> 
> I haven't been able to reproduce it with a known procedure, but it may
> have to do with rotating the phone during suspend.
> 
I've seen this bug but I also cannot reproduce it right now. I think it
happens when I change orientation whilst suspending or whilst waking up
from suspend (using current SHR-unstable and OMNewRotate). 
> I also haven't had it in this state on such times that it was possible
> to SSH into it to see if it was still alive or not.
> 
> Shall I file a bug report with this meager information?
> 
I'm suspending and waking rotating my phone right now and cannot
reproduce it. Maybe it's been fixed ;^)

Stuart


From vanous at penguin.cz  Sat Oct  3 16:49:19 2009
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 16:49:19 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
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	<c30e08170910030655s27e35679ydfe78ed178e52017@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091003164919.70f8e7d2@vanek.robe.cz>

>But I already told you - you don't have to restart whole E. Just enter
>to keyboard menu in illume wrench, select none, and then default (it
>will restart illume keyboard). And it'll work just nicely.

all this just to write an SMS in landscape? :)

Petr



From elektranox at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 17:10:49 2009
From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 17:10:49 +0200
Subject: [debian] shr apps/stability usable as daily phone?
In-Reply-To: <4AC749E1.5030902@gmail.com>
References: <4AC749E1.5030902@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091003151049.GA3775@earth.universe>

On Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 02:56:01PM +0200, Bernd Pr?nster wrote:
> since shr apps are now part of pkg-fso repo i was wondering how stable 
> si it, because now i am seriously considering to switch to debain 
> [wardriving!!!]
> is it as stable as (the stable shr u revisions) shr?

Hi,

I packaged SHR for the pkg-fso repository. On my phone it's running
very stable, but I didn't get much feedback from other guys. Apart
from this I can't compare with SHR, because I'm running Debian only
on my FR.

Please note, that some parts of SHR are still missing due to missing
python-elementary in Debian (shr-settings, opimd-utils) and that I'm
still working on the package containing the framework configuration.

P.S.: For wardriving you have to use an usb wifi stick, beacause the
Freerunner's wifi chip can't go into promiscious mode.

-- Sebastian
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From bernd.pruenster at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 17:27:44 2009
From: bernd.pruenster at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bernd_Pr=FCnster?=)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:27:44 +0200
Subject: nEo theme issues
In-Reply-To: <ff98dbf20909071606h6065f991id9053b04523904da@mail.gmail.com>
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I am currently fixing the nEo theme. unfortuantely the edc is messed up, 
so it is going to take a little longer.

bad news is:
there was a debate about making teh nEo theme colorizable. THis is not 
going to happen unless YOU do it.
right now my priority is fixin stuff and correcting errors. right now 
everythigns a fuckign mess: not even buttons work as they should, 
because i am combinign idfferent revisions of the nEo theme's edc.
i will report a soon as its done.
also simultaniously i am completing the gry' theme and removing the 
flowers as they were intended as a joke.

br


From david at tuxbrain.com  Sat Oct  3 17:38:10 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 17:38:10 +0200
Subject: OM-Showroom Something to show
In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80910030508h68c04280ma0c5e587df1cb5d0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5c6ceea80910021804t14532616y274a9d696a28c62a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC713FD.7010509@gmail.com>
	<5c6ceea80910030508h68c04280ma0c5e587df1cb5d0@mail.gmail.com>
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2009/10/3 David Reyes Samblas Martinez <david at tuxbrain.com>:
> 2009/10/3 Bernd Pr?nster <bernd.pruenster at gmail.com>:
>> David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
>>> take a look here[1] for some screenshots and explanations :)
>>> Please comments and of course collaboration :)
>>>
>>> [1]http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/om-showroom-something-show
>>>
>>>
>> Looks awesome, but it has a _MAJOR_ problem: to optimized for 480x640.
> As you can see this is an adaptation of the existing an already
> existing apt-portal aplication, playdeb.net website, I think this is a
> quicker approach to have something running ASAP.
>
> apt-portal/cherrypy has mechanism to detect navigator agent[1] and the
> ideas is to make the site adapt himself to the neo resolution if it's
> detected(using other css), also deactivate some of the eyecandy
> effects than comes by default as javascript progressive smoth popups
> of the pics and vids etc, but let us time to have at least a "basic"
> desktop version ready and then we will move forward to add more
> features, as multi distro, neo adaptation, comments, voting,
> localization, and whatever we can desire on such kind of site :).....
>
> I have updated the blog post with a picture of the om-hompage on the
> qtmoko9 default browser. I don't look so bad ;), the other pages make
> the browser crash indeed :P
>
> [1]
> Example of the l apt-portal log of from my desktop
> "GET /updates/ HTTP/1.1" 200 3186 "http://192.168.2.191:8080/welcome/"
> "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; es-ES; rv:1.9.0.14) Gecko/2009090216
> Ubuntu/9.04 (jaunty) Firefox/3.0.14"
> Example of the log from the default webbrowser of qtmoko9
> "GET /css/img/info_header.gif HTTP/1.1" 200 8147
> "http://192.168.2.191:8080/updates/" "Mozilla/5.0 (QtEmbedded; U;
> Linux; en-US) AppleWebKit/527+ (KHTML, like Gecko, Safari/419.3)
> webviewer"
>
> David Reyes Samblas Martinez
> http://www.tuxbrain.com
> Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
> Openmoko, Openpandora, ?Arduino
> Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!

Updated to qtmoko 13 , with arora webbrowser even the javascript image
popups  works, wow!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>


From jedi.theone at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 17:56:00 2009
From: jedi.theone at gmail.com (Jed)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 01:56:00 +1000
Subject: Universal Remote for CE/HA? (openmoko)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.18.1254574129.16259.community@lists.openmoko.org>
References: <mailman.18.1254574129.16259.community@lists.openmoko.org>
Message-ID: <4AC77410.4050804@gmail.com>

>>>>> I glued a infrared led into the aux key for this purpose. Did
>>>>> someone already try to compile lirc for the FR? My attempt to just
>>>>> 'bitbake' it failed (missing kernel configuration).
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm, wonder if some of the other hand-held platforms do have IR?
>>>> Surely there's at least one device?! Lets see there's: Android
>>>> devices, Maemo devices, Axim x5xx (kinda), any others?
>>
>> Last crack  ;-)
>>
>> Does anyone know of any OSS supported devices that do have IR integrated?
>> Wifi would get most use in my intended application but IR would be handy!
 >> Thanks,
 >> Jed
> 
> Sharp Zaurus?

Thank-you Mr Schaller, I'm hoping for something more 'remote-like' in 
its form-factor but a decent suggestion nonetheless.

Someone also suggested a remote used with Logitech's squeezbox range so 
I'll check that out too!

Cheers,
Jed


From tanuva at googlemail.com  Sat Oct  3 17:42:31 2009
From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:42:31 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
In-Reply-To: <20091003164919.70f8e7d2@vanek.robe.cz>
References: <6470815AC8514F37BD681EEA8894885F@felix>
	<d3e504410910022320t7ad65f01se1a4bd88de1a261d@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170910030440x7ab2471fp117ded6ff17ffbc0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091003144430.0ae452ae@vanek.robe.cz> <4AC74948.5060708@gmail.com>
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	<c30e08170910030655s27e35679ydfe78ed178e52017@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091003164919.70f8e7d2@vanek.robe.cz>
Message-ID: <1254584551.7499.73.camel@d-wwow>

Am Samstag, den 03.10.2009, 16:49 +0200 schrieb Petr Vanek: 
> >But I already told you - you don't have to restart whole E. Just enter
> >to keyboard menu in illume wrench, select none, and then default (it
> >will restart illume keyboard). And it'll work just nicely.
> 
> all this just to write an SMS in landscape? :)

No, for entering text into a browser while in landscape for example.



From elektranox at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 17:49:03 2009
From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 17:49:03 +0200
Subject: OM-Showroom Something to show
In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80910021804t14532616y274a9d696a28c62a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5c6ceea80910021804t14532616y274a9d696a28c62a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091003154902.GA4141@earth.universe>

On Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 03:04:45AM +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
> take a look here[1] for some screenshots and explanations :)
> Please comments and of course collaboration :)
> 
> [1]http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/om-showroom-something-show
> 
> David Reyes Samblas Martinez
> http://www.tuxbrain.com
> Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
> Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
> Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!

Hi,

did you think of the possibility, that packages may have different
names in SHR and Debian? I saw the screenshot with neon - I packaged
this one for Debian, it's in pkg-fso, but the name is 'neon' and not
'om-neon'.

-- Sebastian
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From rozzin at geekspace.com  Sat Oct  3 19:54:49 2009
From: rozzin at geekspace.com (Joshua Judson Rosen)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:54:49 -0400
Subject: Universal Remote for CE/HA? (openmoko)
References: <mailman.18.1254574129.16259.community@lists.openmoko.org>
	<4AC75D19.1080201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87hbugqs5y.fsf@slice.rozzin.com>

Jed <jedi.theone at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > > Does anyone know of any OSS supported devices that do have IR integrated?
> > 
> > Psion 5, 5mx, Ericsson mc218. Slow cpu, limited memory, monochrome and old 
> > kernel, but excellent battery life on a pair of AAs. Probably not the form 
> > factor you're after though.
> 
> Interesting idea thanks, perhaps a tad too old though as you say.
> Form-factor would be closer to a standard remote but with an LCD, 
> ideally touch-screen but not imperative.
> 
> > Neuros OSD - for a low power consumption ethernet to IR gateway
> > and standard def media player. Again probably not what you're
> > after.
> 
> yeah really looking for hand-held device but thanks!

Hah :)

Using the Neuros OSD as an ethernet->IR gateway is actually an
interesting idea, and one that I've had before myself: it would be
really neat to use something like a FreeRunner as a TV remote with a
built-in real-time channel-guide, i.e.: one could get a listing of all
of the TV shows airing at present (or in the upcoming hour), and just
*tap the show's title* on the screen to select it.

My own initial idea was, of course, to just find a handheld device
with inbuilt IR functionality, but then not only did I see that there
was the issue of finding something with `inbuilt IR' functionality at
all, but that the meaning of "IR" actually varied (computing devices
support IRDA; TVs and other such devices use different protocols, and
it appeared that an IRDA device may not be able to support any of the
non-IRDA protocols). Also, prior to the FreeRunner, I found it
difficult to justify to myself the idea spending $500 or more on a
more functionally-limited device like an iPaq or something that would
probably just end up being a $500+ TV remote control.

But then I got an OSD and realised that it came with a IR dongle and
that I could use it as a gateway, which made the problem easier.

One of the interesting things about the IR functionality of the OSD,
though, is that it doesn't appear to be built-in to the OSD per
se--the IR transmitter is a small device that just connects to the
OSD's serial port.

I believe that there are universal `consumer electronics'-type IR
transceivers (UIRT) currently on the market that function as USB
devices, and some of them are even quite cheap--in the worst case,
this might be a less-invasive option: to simply plug one of these into
a FreeRunner's USB port.

-- 
Don't be afraid to ask (Lf.((Lx.xx) (Lr.f(rr)))).



From rozzin at geekspace.com  Sat Oct  3 20:04:36 2009
From: rozzin at geekspace.com (Joshua Judson Rosen)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:04:36 -0400
Subject: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
References: <6470815AC8514F37BD681EEA8894885F@felix>
	<d3e504410910022320t7ad65f01se1a4bd88de1a261d@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170910030440x7ab2471fp117ded6ff17ffbc0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091003144430.0ae452ae@vanek.robe.cz>
	<4AC74948.5060708@gmail.com>
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Sebastian Krzyszkowiak <seba.dos1 at gmail.com> writes:
>
> On 10/3/09, Petr Vanek <vanous at penguin.cz> wrote:
> >
> > i know all the reasoning, but the bottom line is: if you just want to
> > rotate screen and have larger keyboard it doesn't work and it has been
> > like that for a long time. restarting E every sinle time you want to
> > write an sms in landscape sounds probably good to some, not to me.
> > as with the keyboard, there have long been issues with subfolders on
> > desktop, another desktop altogether, full-screen with no keyboard etc.
> >
> > i don't want to sound negative, but don't try to convince me or others
> > that it works the way it was intended. it doesn't. despite the issues, i
> > like illume and i really wish it is moved from the backburner to the
> > front one to get some TLC.
> >
> > Petr
> 
> But I already told you - you don't have to restart whole E. Just enter
> to keyboard menu in illume wrench, select none, and then default (it
> will restart illume keyboard). And it'll work just nicely.

I don't even need to do *that*: I've always just tapped the `qwerty'
box (in the top-right corner, in the default theme), and the keyboard
pops up perfectly fine even in landscape mode. I don't understand what
you guys are talking about--should that not be working for me?

-- 
Don't be afraid to ask (Lf.((Lx.xx) (Lr.f(rr)))).



From rozzin at geekspace.com  Sat Oct  3 20:20:27 2009
From: rozzin at geekspace.com (Joshua Judson Rosen)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:20:27 -0400
Subject: OT: SIM contact limitations
References: <d30d40f10909251646s4498f76x573e17ade47886dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C824B4A-3308-42C1-9F88-60A2F9AE1EBB@computer.org>
Message-ID: <878wfspces.fsf@slice.rozzin.com>

"Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns at computer.org> writes:
>
> Am 26.09.2009 um 01:46 schrieb Brolin Empey:
> 
>     Anyway, why are SIM contacts (contacts stored on a SIM) so limited?
>    
>      1. Cannot have multiple phone numbers per contact.
>      2. Cannot change the type (home, work, mobile, etc.) of the
>         phone number.
>      3. Names are truncated to 18 chars.
> 
> Mainly, because SIM card entries have been standardized approx. 1992 so that
> you can use them in *any* phone. Back then, SIM flash memory and computing
> power of a phone was *very* limited. Less than a C64 :) It is similar to why
> plain old FAT memory card format is still in use with all its limitations.

I wonder, have any of these limitations changed in UMTS, for USIM cards?

Not that it helps us using the Neo's builtin GSM modem--I guess we
could add a UMTS modem via the USB port, though :)

-- 
Don't be afraid to ask (Lf.((Lx.xx) (Lr.f(rr)))).



From david at tuxbrain.com  Sat Oct  3 21:14:39 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 21:14:39 +0200
Subject: OM-Showroom Something to show
In-Reply-To: <20091003154902.GA4141@earth.universe>
References: <5c6ceea80910021804t14532616y274a9d696a28c62a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091003154902.GA4141@earth.universe>
Message-ID: <5c6ceea80910031214u47fd7bf3gac52d84cd3ac7894@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/3 Sebastian Reichel <elektranox at gmail.com>:
> On Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 03:04:45AM +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
>> take a look here[1] for some screenshots and explanations :)
>> Please comments and of course collaboration :)
>>
>> [1]http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/om-showroom-something-show
>>
>> David Reyes Samblas Martinez
>> http://www.tuxbrain.com
>> Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
>> Openmoko, Openpandora, ?Arduino
>> Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!
>
> Hi,
>
> did you think of the possibility, that packages may have different
> names in SHR and Debian? I saw the screenshot with neon - I packaged
> this one for Debian, it's in pkg-fso, but the name is 'neon' and not
> 'om-neon'.
>
> -- Sebastian
Yes, not only the name also the version can be different , is part of
the things we have to solve to make the om-showroom multidistro, but
due the link between the packages and the application description is
done manually , I think will be quite easy to link any package of any
distro to an application description , then is problem in how to show
it cool on the app-info

David Reyes Samblas Martinez
http://www.tuxbrain.com
Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!
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From stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk  Sat Oct  3 21:48:50 2009
From: stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk (Stroller)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 20:48:50 +0100
Subject: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
In-Reply-To: <873a60qrpn.fsf@slice.rozzin.com>
References: <6470815AC8514F37BD681EEA8894885F@felix>
	<d3e504410910022320t7ad65f01se1a4bd88de1a261d@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170910030440x7ab2471fp117ded6ff17ffbc0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091003144430.0ae452ae@vanek.robe.cz>
	<4AC74948.5060708@gmail.com>
	<20091003154550.1da0b095@vanek.robe.cz>
	<c30e08170910030655s27e35679ydfe78ed178e52017@mail.gmail.com>
	<873a60qrpn.fsf@slice.rozzin.com>
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On 3 Oct 2009, at 19:04, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote:
> Sebastian Krzyszkowiak <seba.dos1 at gmail.com> writes:
>> ...
>> But I already told you - you don't have to restart whole E. Just  
>> enter
>> to keyboard menu in illume wrench, select none, and then default (it
>> will restart illume keyboard). And it'll work just nicely.
>
> I don't even need to do *that*: I've always just tapped the `qwerty'
> box (in the top-right corner, in the default theme), and the keyboard
> pops up perfectly fine even in landscape mode. I don't understand what
> you guys are talking about--should that not be working for me?

On my Freerunner - running SHR-unstable - the qwuerty is not visible  
in the top-right corner by default. You have to press the wrench to  
"pull out" the top tray. Then the qwerty is visible and pressing it  
operates the keyboard. I believe this is what Sebastian is explaining.

Stroller.



From vfebvre at easter-eggs.com  Sat Oct  3 21:50:48 2009
From: vfebvre at easter-eggs.com (Valery Febvre)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 21:50:48 +0200
Subject: [FSO based] NeoLight : Yet another application stupid but absolutely
	essential
Message-ID: <4AC7AB18.4070206@easter-eggs.com>

Hi,

I'm proud to announce the first release of NeoLight.

NeoLight turns your Neo into a flashlight.
It flips the brightness up to full and displays a fullscreen bright
white rectangle.

Features
* Bright white or colored (red/green/blue) screen
* Brightness dimmer
* Strobe light mode (with adjustable speed)
* Just tap the top left corner of screen to dim brightness to minimum,
and the top right corner to flip the brightness up to the level defined
in settings.

It is written in Python/Elementary.

NeoLight is tested on SHR unstable only but should work with all FSO
based distributions.

BEWARE: NeoLight seems not working with the Elementary theme Niebiee.

Suggestions/feedback/bug reports are welcome.

Homepage : http://code.google.com/p/neolight/

Package : http://neolight.googlecode.com/files/neolight_1.0.0-r0_all.ipk

-- 
Val?ry


From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 22:10:30 2009
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 22:10:30 +0200
Subject: [Shr-User] [FSO based] NeoLight : Yet another application stupid 
	but absolutely essential
In-Reply-To: <4AC7AB18.4070206@easter-eggs.com>
References: <4AC7AB18.4070206@easter-eggs.com>
Message-ID: <c30e08170910031310o41364733pac8b71b313ac260c@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/3/09, Valery Febvre <vfebvre at easter-eggs.com> wrote:
> BEWARE: NeoLight seems not working with the Elementary theme Niebiee.

What did you do in that app then? Niebiee is just normal theme, as
others. You shouldn't assert every theme has white background ;x

-- 
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
dos


From rms at 1407.org  Sat Oct  3 22:28:42 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 21:28:42 +0100
Subject: [SHR-u] black screen of death on resume
In-Reply-To: <20091002121504.34a9b390@vanek.robe.cz>
References: <20090925134549.GB26708@roque.1407.org>
	<abaa3a210909290855w563957baib74ad97530228c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090929161507.GB10223@roque.1407.org>
	<abaa3a210910011114t169f3fb1n13c5c566c3ffb46d@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e00910011609v1e3b2f1fp2592f1502d1494ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091002121504.34a9b390@vanek.robe.cz>
Message-ID: <20091003202842.GA28688@roque.1407.org>

On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 12:15:04PM +0200, Petr Vanek wrote:
> >My phone's in this state now - it went straight to voice mail when I
> >tried to call
> >
> >I was able to ssh in - and am diggin through the logs.    Nothing too
> >obvious in ophonekitd.   Without timestamps in the log it's hard to
> >tell exactly where the problem started.
> 
> i haven't read the begging of this thread so sorry if i duplicate
> something... but just an idea - do you have shr-today installed? i have
> a feeling it would not undim the screen sometimes...

No, if it was just that then simulating unlock would unlock the screen,
or tapping it, and calls would play the ringtone, etc...

Nothing like that happens to me.

Rui


From vfebvre at easter-eggs.com  Sat Oct  3 22:32:44 2009
From: vfebvre at easter-eggs.com (Valery Febvre)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:32:44 +0200
Subject: [Shr-User] [FSO based] NeoLight : Yet another application stupid
	but absolutely essential
In-Reply-To: <c30e08170910031310o41364733pac8b71b313ac260c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC7AB18.4070206@easter-eggs.com>
	<c30e08170910031310o41364733pac8b71b313ac260c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC7B4EC.1030708@easter-eggs.com>

Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
> On 10/3/09, Valery Febvre <vfebvre at easter-eggs.com> wrote:
>> BEWARE: NeoLight seems not working with the Elementary theme Niebiee.
> 
> What did you do in that app then? Niebiee is just normal theme, as
> others. You shouldn't assert every theme has white background ;x

On my Neo with SHR-U, NeoLight works fine with Elementary themes:
default, neo and gry but not with Niebiee.

Sorry, but at this time, I've no answer, except a possible bug in Layout
widget part of Niebiee.

-- 
Val?ry


From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 22:34:22 2009
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 22:34:22 +0200
Subject: [Shr-User] [FSO based] NeoLight : Yet another application stupid 
	but absolutely essential
In-Reply-To: <4AC7B4EC.1030708@easter-eggs.com>
References: <4AC7AB18.4070206@easter-eggs.com>
	<c30e08170910031310o41364733pac8b71b313ac260c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC7B4EC.1030708@easter-eggs.com>
Message-ID: <c30e08170910031334l79328616hb788ba450df6cf9e@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/3/09, Valery Febvre <vfebvre at easter-eggs.com> wrote:
> Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
>> On 10/3/09, Valery Febvre <vfebvre at easter-eggs.com> wrote:
>>> BEWARE: NeoLight seems not working with the Elementary theme Niebiee.
>>
>> What did you do in that app then? Niebiee is just normal theme, as
>> others. You shouldn't assert every theme has white background ;x
>
> On my Neo with SHR-U, NeoLight works fine with Elementary themes:
> default, neo and gry but not with Niebiee.
>
> Sorry, but at this time, I've no answer, except a possible bug in Layout
> widget part of Niebiee.
>
> --
> Val?ry

But what happens? How can I fix it when i don't know, what's the problem? :P

Yes, i'm author of niebiee theme.

-- 
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
dos


From david at tuxbrain.com  Sun Oct  4 01:30:00 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 01:30:00 +0200
Subject: OM-Showroom Something to show
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410910022315p8c3a94aj9c9e0541ddc363d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5c6ceea80910021804t14532616y274a9d696a28c62a@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3e504410910022315p8c3a94aj9c9e0541ddc363d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c6ceea80910031630v5e6046b7jfebd99e424e3c426@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/3 Risto H. Kurppa <risto at kurppa.fi>:
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 4:04 AM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez
> <david at tuxbrain.com> wrote:
>> take a look here[1] for some screenshots and explanations :)
>> Please comments and of course collaboration :)
>>
>> [1]http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/om-showroom-something-show
>
>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaa-WESOME!!
thanks to my dear partner Victor (aka Tharkos)
>
> I was already a bit despair not having heard from you for a week or so.
don't despair if you(all) have no news about me for a while ,some
times RealLive(TM) suck my time to the bone  , even if there is no
activity in th svn log I'm paying a server for this so my commitment
to make it happen is strong :P I'm codding ,planning,configuring  in
my head  all time to make my fingers fly once they can reach the
keyboard to spend sometime on this
>
> But this is great!! Please install it SOOON on a live server and
> enable the community to help with the screenshots, descriptions etc.
> Let's go live!
It's near than ever :), be sure I'm the first interested go live :)
>
PD.-Risto thanks to be the whip in my ass :P really, without you
pushing my lazy back this hasn't arrived so far this quick :)
> r
>
>
>
> ------------------
>
> | risto h. kurppa
> | risto at kurppa dot fi
> | http://risto.kurppa.fi
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From david at tuxbrain.com  Sun Oct  4 01:38:38 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 01:38:38 +0200
Subject: OM-Showroom Something to show
In-Reply-To: <20091003090736.GG537@nysv.org>
References: <5c6ceea80910021804t14532616y274a9d696a28c62a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091003090736.GG537@nysv.org>
Message-ID: <5c6ceea80910031638x754e8812xd2a5e84ef36e8c5b@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/3 Markus T?rnqvist <mjt at nysv.org>:
> On Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 03:04:45AM +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
>>take a look here[1] for some screenshots and explanations :)
>>Please comments and of course collaboration :)
>>
>>[1]http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/om-showroom-something-show
>
> !!!
>
> I still have lots of unread email about this, but I'm happy to see things
> are still progressing :)
>
> There should probably be a closed beta before the public launch!
Knowing me andmy coding habilities, the amount of features left to
code, and the multi source,multi platform nature of the
project...surelly it will still beta a long time AFTER the public
release :P
>
> Thanks, guys!
>
> --
> mjt
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From pablodanielmino at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 04:00:02 2009
From: pablodanielmino at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pablo_Mi=F1o?=)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:00:02 -0300
Subject: How to transfer my contacts from my QtExtended GTA01 to my SHR GTA02
Message-ID: <6193c9410910031900q5d1ff60w2580b8d6aa95668b@mail.gmail.com>

Dear community,

I need to transfer my contacts from my QtExtended 4.4.2 GTA01 to my
SHR GTA02 I have been failing all the time.
Can anyone point me in the right direction? Is it possible to scp
files from one to another? Thank you very much.

-- 
Pablo Mi?o


From edorfaus at xepher.net  Sun Oct  4 07:12:19 2009
From: edorfaus at xepher.net (EdorFaus)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 07:12:19 +0200
Subject: New version of sgt-puzzles, and a launcher for it
Message-ID: <200910040712.19803.edorfaus@xepher.net>

Hi,

I finally got some time to set everything up for these things.

A new version of sgt-puzzles is now in the repository[1], and also uploaded on 
opkg.org[2]. There's now a new homepage[3] for it, and the code (for the build 
system, patches etc) is available in svn[4].

This package includes a shell script that lets users disable/enable individual 
desktop icons, making it possible to reduce the number even without installing 
a launcher. It also includes some basic support for launchers, automatically 
removing the desktop icons when a compatible launcher is installed, except 
those icons that have been explicitly enabled (so you can have both a 
launcher, and your favorite games on the desktop for quick access).

More details on the homepage[3].


I've also created such a launcher, and packaged it separately. It is fairly 
simple, just displays a grid of plain buttons, but space is so limited due to 
the number of games that I'm not sure how to fit anything more fancy anyway.

If someone wants to make a better launcher, there are details for the 
interaction between them on the homepage[3].

The launcher is also available in the repository[1] and on opkg.org[5], source 
is in an svn repo[6], and it has its own homepage[7] with more information.

To make it easier to discover the launcher, the sgt-puzzles package suggests 
it - opkg apparently mentions suggestions when installing the package. :)


One thing I haven't gotten the launcher to do yet, is single-instancing the 
games. I'm not sure what the best approach for that would be - looking for 
open X windows? looking for running processes? is there a standard way of 
doing this, that would work here? (keep in mind the launcher doesn't stay 
running after selecting a game, so looking at the process tree doesn't help.)
On the other hand I'm not sure how important it is, either.


[1] http://ipk.edorfaus.info/armv4t
[2] http://www.opkg.org/package_283.html
[3] http://om.edorfaus.info/sgt-puzzles/
[4] http://svn.edorfaus.info/om/sgt-puzzles/trunk
[5] http://www.opkg.org/package_286.html
[6] http://svn.edorfaus.info/om/sgt-puzzles-launcher/trunk
[7] http://om.edorfaus.info/sgt-puzzles/launcher/

--
EdorFaus



From cvwillegen at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 10:49:47 2009
From: cvwillegen at gmail.com (Christ van Willegen)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:49:47 +0200
Subject: [Qi - SHR-U/All?] Pink line of death
In-Reply-To: <20091003143144.GB28229@roger>
References: <b77f73010910030652y50167ee3p6339483864d27593@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20091003143144.GB28229@roger>
Message-ID: <b77f73010910040149p439d4012xd954202ad44f0e96@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Stuart Pullinger <sp at elec.gla.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Has anyone seen the 'pink line of death' at any time?
>>
> Yes. I've seen it.

> I've seen this bug but I also cannot reproduce it right now. I think it
> happens when I change orientation whilst suspending or whilst waking up
> from suspend (using current SHR-unstable and OMNewRotate).

> I'm suspending and waking rotating my phone right now and cannot
> reproduce it. Maybe it's been fixed ;^)

Nope, I reproduced it yesterday evening...

I also have OMNewRotate installed, and I suspect it has to do with
this behaviour.

I'll try to reproduce it again, I am at a PC right now ;-)

Christ van Willegen
-- 
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0


From cvwillegen at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 10:53:20 2009
From: cvwillegen at gmail.com (Christ van Willegen)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:53:20 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U] Suggestion for screen lock
Message-ID: <b77f73010910040153q58d85a27w233297b7377c8829@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone!

Whenever I press AUX, the screen gets locked (as it should be...).
But, whenever something touches the screen, it lights up again.

When I go for a hike, with Navit running to get a nice OSM track, I am
unable to pocket my FR, because the screen keeps lighting up.

Would it be possible to add functionality to the AUX press, so that if
I hold it for a second or 2, the 'light up on screen touch' gets
disabled as well?

Christ van Willegen


From rms at 1407.org  Sun Oct  4 11:32:06 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:32:06 +0100
Subject: [Qi - SHR-U/All?] Pink line of death
In-Reply-To: <b77f73010910040149p439d4012xd954202ad44f0e96@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b77f73010910030652y50167ee3p6339483864d27593@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091003143144.GB28229@roger>
	<b77f73010910040149p439d4012xd954202ad44f0e96@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091004093206.GB28688@roque.1407.org>

On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 10:49:47AM +0200, Christ van Willegen wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Stuart Pullinger <sp at elec.gla.ac.uk> wrote:
> >> Has anyone seen the 'pink line of death' at any time?
> >>
> > Yes. I've seen it.
> 
> > I've seen this bug but I also cannot reproduce it right now. I think it
> > happens when I change orientation whilst suspending or whilst waking up
> > from suspend (using current SHR-unstable and OMNewRotate).
> 
> > I'm suspending and waking rotating my phone right now and cannot
> > reproduce it. Maybe it's been fixed ;^)
> 
> Nope, I reproduced it yesterday evening...
> 
> I also have OMNewRotate installed, and I suspect it has to do with
> this behaviour.

At most it has to do with yet another glamo bug, but frequently it
happens to me in a straight position (eg, laying on table and turning
on), but since I fortunately have OMNewRotate as I turn it it gets
fixed.

Rui


From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 12:03:36 2009
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:03:36 +0200
Subject: New version of sgt-puzzles, and a launcher for it
In-Reply-To: <200910040712.19803.edorfaus@xepher.net>
References: <200910040712.19803.edorfaus@xepher.net>
Message-ID: <26fea52c0910040303r5c2ea234u9d702c860dcc75c9@mail.gmail.com>

nice!
I like the launcher!

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:12 AM, EdorFaus <edorfaus at xepher.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I finally got some time to set everything up for these things.
>
> A new version of sgt-puzzles is now in the repository[1], and also uploaded
> on
> opkg.org[2]. There's now a new homepage[3] for it, and the code (for the
> build
> system, patches etc) is available in svn[4].
>
> This package includes a shell script that lets users disable/enable
> individual
> desktop icons, making it possible to reduce the number even without
> installing
> a launcher. It also includes some basic support for launchers,
> automatically
> removing the desktop icons when a compatible launcher is installed, except
> those icons that have been explicitly enabled (so you can have both a
> launcher, and your favorite games on the desktop for quick access).
>
> More details on the homepage[3].
>
>
> I've also created such a launcher, and packaged it separately. It is fairly
> simple, just displays a grid of plain buttons, but space is so limited due
> to
> the number of games that I'm not sure how to fit anything more fancy
> anyway.
>
> If someone wants to make a better launcher, there are details for the
> interaction between them on the homepage[3].
>
> The launcher is also available in the repository[1] and on opkg.org[5],
> source
> is in an svn repo[6], and it has its own homepage[7] with more information.
>
> To make it easier to discover the launcher, the sgt-puzzles package
> suggests
> it - opkg apparently mentions suggestions when installing the package. :)
>
>
> One thing I haven't gotten the launcher to do yet, is single-instancing the
> games. I'm not sure what the best approach for that would be - looking for
> open X windows? looking for running processes? is there a standard way of
> doing this, that would work here? (keep in mind the launcher doesn't stay
> running after selecting a game, so looking at the process tree doesn't
> help.)
> On the other hand I'm not sure how important it is, either.
>
>
> [1] http://ipk.edorfaus.info/armv4t
> [2] http://www.opkg.org/package_283.html
> [3] http://om.edorfaus.info/sgt-puzzles/
> [4] http://svn.edorfaus.info/om/sgt-puzzles/trunk
> [5] http://www.opkg.org/package_286.html
> [6] http://svn.edorfaus.info/om/sgt-puzzles-launcher/trunk
> [7] http://om.edorfaus.info/sgt-puzzles/launcher/
>
> --
> EdorFaus
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 14:01:04 2009
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 14:01:04 +0200
Subject: Increasing GPS accuracy with EGNOS
Message-ID: <26fea52c0910040501g29455dd7x3dada40b01354986@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

http://www.esa.int/esaNA/SEM2HGF280G_egnos_0.html

The European Union has opened its Egnos navigation augmentation system for
public use:

"The EGNOS signals can be received by GPS receivers equipped with a specific
software. In combination with Egnos signals, the accuracy of GPS navigation
can be improved significantly; according to ESA, users can navigate with an
accuracy of about 2 meters as opposed to GPS alone which provides an
accuracy of 10 meters."



Seems interesting...
(some more information: http://www.egnos-pro.esa.int/index.html)

y
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From ccc94453 at vip.cybercity.dk  Sun Oct  4 15:02:36 2009
From: ccc94453 at vip.cybercity.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 15:02:36 +0200
Subject: Internal pressure sensor
In-Reply-To: <6f7c60c40909301504m38f4987aq1c81fc5f85262f23@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200909302318.52186.ml@chonyota.net>
	<d3e504410909301453o39ca109as62578190a46b8eaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f7c60c40909301504m38f4987aq1c81fc5f85262f23@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091004130236.GV8873@vip.cybercity.dk>

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 06:04:30PM -0400, tom wrote:
> actually i think they should already be built in...they are so cheap...

   Depends on what you mean when you say cheap. I see it listed at just
under USD 10 for one sensor or the price of a 1.3 mpix camera module. It's
also not as small as you would like for something you throw in mostly for
fun.

-- 
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year


From risto at kurppa.fi  Sun Oct  4 16:24:32 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:24:32 +0300
Subject: Paroli Theme/UI proposals
In-Reply-To: <200910031321.45656.ajvogel@tuks.co.za>
References: <96dfad1e0909301426ke31ffe5le11b8a1155220e85@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC4F692.8010804@xepher.net>
	<c4cd0cc80910011409m53da0467uecaccb6d7d67beac@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910031321.45656.ajvogel@tuks.co.za>
Message-ID: <d3e504410910040724k52e941fbnb2ca718b889a6181@mail.gmail.com>

I wouldn't mind to have a separate theme with great contrast, large
buttons etc. One theme doesn't have to suite everyone...


r


-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk  Sun Oct  4 16:55:44 2009
From: stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk (Stroller)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 15:55:44 +0100
Subject: Internal pressure sensor
In-Reply-To: <20091004130236.GV8873@vip.cybercity.dk>
References: <200909302318.52186.ml@chonyota.net>
	<d3e504410909301453o39ca109as62578190a46b8eaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f7c60c40909301504m38f4987aq1c81fc5f85262f23@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091004130236.GV8873@vip.cybercity.dk>
Message-ID: <E8ABF945-BF57-42DB-8916-A8B6C79DA3C1@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>


On 4 Oct 2009, at 14:02, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 06:04:30PM -0400, tom wrote:
>> actually i think they should already be built in...they are so  
>> cheap...
>
>   Depends on what you mean when you say cheap. I see it listed at just
> under USD 10 for one sensor or the price of a 1.3 mpix camera  
> module. It's
> also not as small as you would like for something you throw in  
> mostly for
> fun.

Is the 1.3 mpix camera module also $10 for a single unit? That seems  
remarkably good value.

One would expect a pressure sensor to be much cheaper on the 1000, of  
course.

Stroller.



From thomas.franck at gmx.com  Sun Oct  4 17:11:34 2009
From: thomas.franck at gmx.com (Thomas Franck)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:11:34 +0200
Subject: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
In-Reply-To: <c30e08170910030436s6a58c88fvfc2d2dbba7f956e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC31589.3050001@gmx.com>	<792ba59f0909300330qe93b964gf109b6a888bf70b6@mail.gmail.com>	<4AC3B20B.7060905@gmx.com>	<792ba59f0910010353q4bd4a72bud4f38757136d3a5e@mail.gmail.com>	<4AC664A9.4090702@gmx.com>
	<c30e08170910030436s6a58c88fvfc2d2dbba7f956e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC8BB26.1000906@gmx.com>

Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
> CPU stall? Leave FR turned on for few hours on that message. About
> half year ago I have few times the same problem, and leaving it for 10
> minutes helped for me. And I still don't know, what was the cause of
> that ;x

Sadly, it didn't help me.. :( it just goes on and on with the CPU stall
messages... let it do it for hours..

-- 
Thomas

-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
The use of anthropomorphic terminology when dealing with computing
systems is a symptom of professional immaturity.
  - Edsgar W. Dijkstra
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From tomabroad at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 17:14:43 2009
From: tomabroad at gmail.com (tom)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:14:43 -0400
Subject: Internal pressure sensor
In-Reply-To: <E8ABF945-BF57-42DB-8916-A8B6C79DA3C1@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
References: <200909302318.52186.ml@chonyota.net>
	<d3e504410909301453o39ca109as62578190a46b8eaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f7c60c40909301504m38f4987aq1c81fc5f85262f23@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091004130236.GV8873@vip.cybercity.dk>
	<E8ABF945-BF57-42DB-8916-A8B6C79DA3C1@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6f7c60c40910040814l77acec08r19ea591469c0f7af@mail.gmail.com>

well, my thought was just: marketshare. more features out of the box > more
customers > more competition.

and i dont think 10$ make adifference, not yet talking about
largeqty-volumes.  eg rfid: nokia announces it since years, but FR could be
fo fast...im sorry, maybe im just to optimistic...

regs


On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Stroller <stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk>wrote:

>
> On 4 Oct 2009, at 14:02, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 06:04:30PM -0400, tom wrote:
> >> actually i think they should already be built in...they are so
> >> cheap...
> >
> >   Depends on what you mean when you say cheap. I see it listed at just
> > under USD 10 for one sensor or the price of a 1.3 mpix camera
> > module. It's
> > also not as small as you would like for something you throw in
> > mostly for
> > fun.
>
> Is the 1.3 mpix camera module also $10 for a single unit? That seems
> remarkably good value.
>
> One would expect a pressure sensor to be much cheaper on the 1000, of
> course.
>
> Stroller.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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From ml at chonyota.net  Sun Oct  4 17:31:37 2009
From: ml at chonyota.net (Christoph Mair)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:31:37 +0200
Subject: Internal pressure sensor
In-Reply-To: <6f7c60c40910040814l77acec08r19ea591469c0f7af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200909302318.52186.ml@chonyota.net>
	<E8ABF945-BF57-42DB-8916-A8B6C79DA3C1@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
	<6f7c60c40910040814l77acec08r19ea591469c0f7af@mail.gmail.com>
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Am Sonntag 04 Oktober 2009 17:14:43 schrieben Sie:
> eg rfid: nokia announces it since years, but FR could be
> fo fast...im sorry, maybe im just to optimistic...
I was thinking about adding a rfid reader but could not find an antenna which is 
small enough. Probably there were other problems too..

Christoph


From tomabroad at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 17:42:23 2009
From: tomabroad at gmail.com (tom)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:42:23 -0400
Subject: Internal pressure sensor
In-Reply-To: <200910041731.37622.ml@chonyota.net>
References: <200909302318.52186.ml@chonyota.net>
	<E8ABF945-BF57-42DB-8916-A8B6C79DA3C1@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
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well, there are always roadblocks, but there is always a waz around them.
unfortunately im not a electric-engineer, otherwise i would jump onto that.
but i can tell out of experience, the (current) future relies on that.
gettin rif of those stupid hanheld scanners etc would be way easier 4
everyone. and utilizing it as a boradband device makes it even more
attractive...there are no boundaries.
@antenna:
as far as i know, it depnds on the capabilities of the chip. eg writing and
or  reading , range etc...
> why not starting simple? meaning with the most simple chip?

regs


On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Christoph Mair <ml at chonyota.net> wrote:

> Am Sonntag 04 Oktober 2009 17:14:43 schrieben Sie:
> > eg rfid: nokia announces it since years, but FR could be
> > fo fast...im sorry, maybe im just to optimistic...
> I was thinking about adding a rfid reader but could not find an antenna
> which is
> small enough. Probably there were other problems too..
>
> Christoph
>
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From edorfaus at xepher.net  Sun Oct  4 17:44:34 2009
From: edorfaus at xepher.net (EdorFaus)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:44:34 +0200
Subject: New version of sgt-puzzles, and a launcher for it
In-Reply-To: <26fea52c0910040303r5c2ea234u9d702c860dcc75c9@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sunday 04 October 2009 12:03:36 Yorick Moko wrote:
> nice!
> I like the launcher!
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:12 AM, EdorFaus <edorfaus at xepher.net> wrote:
> > I've also created such a launcher, and packaged it separately. It is

Thank you! :)

It's nice to hear it wasn't a waste of time to make it.


I guess that the next thing I do with this, is try to make some more of the 
games touchscreen-friendly (or at least friendlier). I'll have to find some 
time in which to do that first though, so can't really promise anything.

--
EdorFaus


From jokr.nilsen at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 17:50:23 2009
From: jokr.nilsen at gmail.com (Jon Kristian Nilsen)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:50:23 +0200
Subject: Paroli Theme/UI proposals
Message-ID: <96dfad1e0910040850s70d8f95ew17e4254dfaf5e4b7@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, I feel I have to say this now:

Guys, you *cannot* take my proposal and expect it to look cute when you
re-size and fit them in a phone window, there's a reason this is a mock-up.
I think all areas in my proposal are more than readable, have you compared
to android or iphone for instance? I don't want to start a flamewar here,
but people are really jumping up over my mock-ups, expecting them to be more
than they are.

Also, I belive this is not exactly something that a theme should handle! For
instance font-sizes should imho be adjustable by the app, not locked to a
theme.

Now, when this is said, step 1 is finished and I am now moving on to the
second step, providing vectorised variants of elements that will be used.

I am really happy about all the awesome feedback this has gotten, and that
people have shown interest in moving it to the next level.

Look for new ML post when I got more stuff finished.
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From stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk  Sun Oct  4 17:55:18 2009
From: stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk (Stroller)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 16:55:18 +0100
Subject: Internal pressure sensor
In-Reply-To: <6f7c60c40910040814l77acec08r19ea591469c0f7af@mail.gmail.com>
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	<d3e504410909301453o39ca109as62578190a46b8eaa@mail.gmail.com>
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On 4 Oct 2009, at 16:14, tom wrote:
>
>> > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 06:04:30PM -0400, tom wrote:
>> >> actually i think they should already be built in...they are so
>> >> cheap...
>> >
>> >   Depends on what you mean when you say cheap. I see it listed at  
>> just
>> > under USD 10 for one sensor or the price of a 1.3 mpix camera
>> > module. It's
>> > also not as small as you would like for something you throw in
>> > mostly for
>> > fun.
>>
>> Is the 1.3 mpix camera module also $10 for a single unit? That seems
>> remarkably good value.
>>
>> One would expect a pressure sensor to be much cheaper on the 1000, of
>> course.
>
> well, my thought was just: marketshare. more features out of the box  
> > more customers > more competition.
>
> and i dont think 10$ make adifference, not yet talking about  
> largeqty-volumes.  eg rfid: nokia announces it since years, but FR  
> could be fo fast...im sorry, maybe im just to optimistic...

1) Please don't top-post in reply to a bottom-post. It makes the flow  
of the conversation difficult to read.

2) Please don't post to the list in HTML. Plain-text is preferable.



3) The costs of production were discussed a LOT on this list in the  
past, when the Openmoko team was still active. To be honest, even if  
the component is only $1 then it may be too expensive, as many more  
design and testing costs are added to the total production cost by the  
addition of the component.

Customers will be dissatisfied if it doesn't work as expected. A large  
increase in market share is needed to make the addition worthwhile.  
Therefore the addition of a camera may be worthwhile, whereas the  
addition of a barometric sensor is not.

However a camera requires retooling of the Freerunner's case, a  
surprisingly cost-prohibitive change. I think the cost of creating a  
new case for the Freerunner is considerably more than $10,000. I would  
imagine that a camera requires other components to make it work and is  
more complex from the design point of view. There have historically  
been two major complaints about the Freerunner - lack of a camera and  
of 3G. Either might enlarge its market share considerably, but both  
were rejected on cost grounds.

This barometer is self-contained and connected to the i2c bus, a  
_relatively_ simple addition. If there is demand for the barometer -  
although I'm inclined to agree with Rask that there wouldn't be - then  
it might it be justified to add it were Brazil ever to go into  
Freerunner production.

A 1.3mp camera would produce complaints that it's a poor specification  
compared to the iPhone. Hardly anyone would be grateful for the  
addition of the barometric sensor.

TBH, if the Freerunner were in reliable, long-term production, I might  
be able to imagine a market for Freerunners amongst hang-glider  
pilots. I think a person might be able to make a living adding  
Christoph's sensor and selling Freerunners with varioaltimeter  
software installed. The software would have to be closed-source,  
however, to make a livelihood out of it and realistically it might  
take a year to get the software to an acceptable quality for  
commercial sales (and still longer to build-up market share). The  
author might need to write anti-piracy measures into the code, and  
what is to prevent a determined attacker from patching the kernel to  
report a different IMEA number to the altimeter software?

Stroller.



From cvwillegen at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 19:45:31 2009
From: cvwillegen at gmail.com (Christ van Willegen)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:45:31 +0200
Subject: [Qi - SHR-U/All?] Pink line of death
In-Reply-To: <20091004093206.GB28688@roque.1407.org>
References: <b77f73010910030652y50167ee3p6339483864d27593@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20091003143144.GB28229@roger>
	<b77f73010910040149p439d4012xd954202ad44f0e96@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20091004093206.GB28688@roque.1407.org>
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Ok, I was again able to reproduce this (suspending while rotating).
Unfortunately:

ssh root at moko
ssh: connect to host moko port 22: No route to host

So, the interface was already down (I did do an ifdown / ifup on the
port to force it to be up, but alas). No go there.

It looks like a Glamo bug, indeed. Rotating the phone, unfortunately,
does not work in my case, since it's too far on the path of suspend
already!

Can I save (some) log files so that they survive a reboot? Perhaps
there's a hint somewhere...

I'm running off the NAND partition, in case anyone is wondering.

Christ van Willegen


From bernd.pruenster at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 21:09:37 2009
From: bernd.pruenster at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bernd_Pr=FCnster?=)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:09:37 +0200
Subject: [SHR/All] Problem compiling theme *weird*
Message-ID: <4AC8F2F1.5050805@gmail.com>

i will get straight to it
here's the situation:


root at om-gta02 /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/neo $ sh ./build.sh 

In file included from <stdin>:2388:

clock.edc:63:5: warning: no newline at end of file

In file included from <stdin>:2390:

bases.edc:4522:4: warning: no newline at end of file

root at om-gta02 /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/neo $ cp neo.ed

neo.edc   neo.edj

 ..

'? yoverwrite '../neo.edj

root at om-gta02 /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/neo $ ls *.ed*

bases.edc       bootsplash.edc  colors.edc      neo.edj

battery.edc     clock.edc       neo.edc

root at om-gta02 /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/neo $ ls *.edj

ls: *.edj: No such file or directory

root at om-gta02 /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/neo $ file neo.edj

neo.edj: cannot open `neo.edj' (No such file or directory)



i cannot even let the moko complete the filename via pressing the tab 
key. even the display gets messed up when i try it (see line 8)
what the heck is going on?
(by teh way the themes seems to work flawlessly)

br


From vfebvre at easter-eggs.com  Mon Oct  5 00:16:05 2009
From: vfebvre at easter-eggs.com (Valery Febvre)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:16:05 +0200
Subject: [FSO based] NeoLight 1.1.0 released
Message-ID: <4AC91EA5.2000602@easter-eggs.com>

Hello,

NeoLight 1.1.0 was released.

Changes:
     * Added "Custom Color"
     * Speed up startup a bit
     * Now works with Elementary theme Niebiee

Package: http://neolight.googlecode.com/files/neolight_1.1.0-r0_all.ipk

========================================================================

NeoLight turns your Neo into a flashlight.

It flips the brightness up to full and displays a fullscreen bright
white rectangle.

Features
* Bright white or colored (red/green/blue/custom) screen
* Brightness dimmer
* Strobe light mode (with adjustable speed)
* Just tap the top left corner of screen to dim brightness to minimum,
and the top right corner to flip the brightness up to the level defined
in settings.

It is written in Python/Elementary.

NeoLight is tested on SHR unstable only but should work with all FSO
based distributions.

Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/neolight/

-- 
Val?ry


From erik at lists.lun.nu  Mon Oct  5 00:39:24 2009
From: erik at lists.lun.nu (Erik Lundin)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:39:24 +0200
Subject: Increasing GPS accuracy with EGNOS
In-Reply-To: <26fea52c0910040501g29455dd7x3dada40b01354986@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26fea52c0910040501g29455dd7x3dada40b01354986@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC9241C.3040704@lists.lun.nu>

Good news, indeed. Does the Neo FreeRunner support EGNOS signals? Both 
the hardware and software?

Regards,
Erik



From ccc94453 at vip.cybercity.dk  Mon Oct  5 00:38:04 2009
From: ccc94453 at vip.cybercity.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 00:38:04 +0200
Subject: Internal pressure sensor
In-Reply-To: <E8ABF945-BF57-42DB-8916-A8B6C79DA3C1@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
References: <200909302318.52186.ml@chonyota.net>
	<d3e504410909301453o39ca109as62578190a46b8eaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f7c60c40909301504m38f4987aq1c81fc5f85262f23@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091004130236.GV8873@vip.cybercity.dk>
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Message-ID: <20091004223804.GX8873@vip.cybercity.dk>

On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 03:55:44PM +0100, Stroller wrote:
> 
> >   Depends on what you mean when you say cheap. I see it listed at just
> > under USD 10 for one sensor or the price of a 1.3 mpix camera  
> > module.
> 
> Is the 1.3 mpix camera module also $10 for a single unit?

   Yes. References (pressure sensor first, then camera module):
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Cat=1966259&k=BMP085
https://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8668

-- 
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year


From jedi.theone at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 07:44:10 2009
From: jedi.theone at gmail.com (Jed)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:44:10 +1000
Subject: Universal Remote for CE/HA? (openmoko)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.24.1254592590.16259.community@lists.openmoko.org>
References: <mailman.24.1254592590.16259.community@lists.openmoko.org>
Message-ID: <4AC987AA.7010902@gmail.com>

>>>> Does anyone know of any OSS supported devices that do have IR integrated?
>>> Psion 5, 5mx, Ericsson mc218. Slow cpu, limited memory, monochrome and old 
>>> kernel, but excellent battery life on a pair of AAs. Probably not the form 
>>> factor you're after though.
>> Interesting idea thanks, perhaps a tad too old though as you say.
>> I'd prefer a form-factor closer to a standard remote but with an LCD, 
>> ideally touch-screen but not imperative.
>>
>>> Neuros OSD - for a low power consumption ethernet to IR gateway
>>> and standard def media player. Again probably not what you're
>>> after.
>> Yeah really looking for hand-held device but thanks!
> 
> 
> My own initial idea was, of course, to just find a handheld device
> with inbuilt IR functionality, but then not only did I see that there
> was the issue of finding something with `inbuilt IR' functionality at
> all, but that the meaning of "IR" actually varied (computing devices
> support IRDA; TVs and other such devices use different protocols, and
> it appeared that an IRDA device may not be able to support any of the
> non-IRDA protocols). Also, prior to the FreeRunner, I found it
> difficult to justify to myself the idea spending $500 or more on a
> more functionally-limited device like an iPaq or something that would
> probably just end up being a $500+ TV remote control.
> 
> But then I got an OSD and realised that it came with a IR dongle and
> that I could use it as a gateway, which made the problem easier.
> 
> One of the interesting things about the IR functionality of the OSD,
> though, is that it doesn't appear to be built-in to the OSD per
> se--the IR transmitter is a small device that just connects to the
> OSD's serial port.
> 
> I believe that there are universal `consumer electronics'-type IR
> transceivers (UIRT) currently on the market that function as USB
> devices, and some of them are even quite cheap--in the worst case,
> this might be a less-invasive option: to simply plug one of these into
> a FreeRunner's USB port.

Nah if I can't find something that has Consumer_IR integrated I'll just 
persevere with my X50V. If it turns out to be too limited longer-term 
for other reasons, then I'll just start excluding IR as a prerequisite 
for any replacement.

I'll still have the IR bridge functionality built into my controller PC 
& that's all that really matters in the end.

I haven't decided on the exact IR transceiver yet, but it'll be from one 
of the these three vendors: Iguana, IRTrans, CommandIR. The others have 
been ruled out.

I'm thinking the IR bridge functionality would be best built into my 
pre-existing HTPC. Bridging for other protocols will prolly be done by a 
2nd controller PC (the primary HA controller), which will be a VM on my 
native VMM server.

Cheers,
Jed


From cvwillegen at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 08:38:49 2009
From: cvwillegen at gmail.com (Christ van Willegen)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 08:38:49 +0200
Subject: Increasing GPS accuracy with EGNOS
In-Reply-To: <4AC9241C.3040704@lists.lun.nu>
References: <26fea52c0910040501g29455dd7x3dada40b01354986@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4AC9241C.3040704@lists.lun.nu>
Message-ID: <b77f73010910042338g4e7f7376pc0e7a0d2fdc499ee@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Erik Lundin <erik at lists.lun.nu> wrote:
> Good news, indeed. Does the Neo FreeRunner support EGNOS signals? Both
> the hardware and software?

We do know this:
http://goandtrack.com/u-blox-to-unveil-new-galileo-ready-gps-chip.html

Christ van Willegen
-- 
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0


From perezdiez at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 09:45:22 2009
From: perezdiez at gmail.com (Jose Luis Perez Diez)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:45:22 +0200
Subject: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
In-Reply-To: <4AC66574.7050908@gmx.com>
References: <4AC31589.3050001@gmx.com> <200910010924.18684.perezdiez@gmail.com>
	<4AC66574.7050908@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <200910050945.22399.perezdiez@gmail.com>

El Friday, 2 de October de 2009 22:41:24 Thomas Franck va escriure:
>  If those lines are repeating then the kernel has not panicked and is
> runing
>
> > with a mounted rootfs.
> >
> > You can try to ssh to the phone or see if it is recognized as an
> > cdc-ethernet on the pc ( if you are using shr or om2009 that means the
> > module g-eher is installed and the rootfs is mounted )
>
> I tried to run my neonet script to set up USB networking.. no joy.. the
> interface is not there.. ("running" SHR, btw)

I thin you need the debug board then to have an idea of what is the cpu doing


From xavier.bestel at free.fr  Mon Oct  5 09:53:37 2009
From: xavier.bestel at free.fr (Xavier Bestel)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:53:37 +0200
Subject: Internal pressure sensor
In-Reply-To: <20091004130236.GV8873@vip.cybercity.dk>
References: <200909302318.52186.ml@chonyota.net>
	<d3e504410909301453o39ca109as62578190a46b8eaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f7c60c40909301504m38f4987aq1c81fc5f85262f23@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091004130236.GV8873@vip.cybercity.dk>
Message-ID: <1254729217.21974.21.camel@skunk>

On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 15:02 +0200, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 06:04:30PM -0400, tom wrote:
> > actually i think they should already be built in...they are so cheap...
> 
>    Depends on what you mean when you say cheap. I see it listed at just
> under USD 10 for one sensor or the price of a 1.3 mpix camera module. It's
> also not as small as you would like for something you throw in mostly for
> fun.

Add an electronic compass and you have the equivalent of a high-end GPS
used in all kind of outdoor sports.

	Xav





From cyberfrag at gmx.net  Mon Oct  5 10:04:49 2009
From: cyberfrag at gmx.net (Andreas Fischer)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 10:04:49 +0200
Subject: [Qi - SHR-U/All?] Pink line of death
In-Reply-To: <b77f73010910030652y50167ee3p6339483864d27593@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b77f73010910030652y50167ee3p6339483864d27593@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC9A8A1.5080706@gmx.net>

Hi,

I've also seen this bug and I've also tracked it down to OMNewRotate. My
solution so far was to always disable rotation before going into
suspend. Not doing so seems to give a chance of (almost?) 100% failure.
Note, that I keep the freerunner strapped in a horizontal position to my
belt - so during suspend it will almost certainly be rotated, unless
rotate has been switched off.

Interestingly there seems to be a step before the pink line is shown:
Sometimes when I boot and do not enter the PIN immediately (but still
before suspend), the screen is partly garbled (lower 33% of the screen
in portrait mode). After suspend, the pink line shows up.

Listening to the feeling in my gut, I'd say glamo b0rks screen setup
when in a rotated position.

Hope this helps to narrow it down. Meanwhile - is there a way to disable
OMNewRotate on boot and suspend (i.e. to only enable it manually)?

Regards,
Andreas

Christ van Willegen wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Has anyone seen the 'pink line of death' at any time?
> 
> My FR sometimes does not suspend, but instead shows a black screen
> with a pink/purple line at about 33% from the bottom of the screen.
> The backlight is fully on. Also, the screen is whining.
> 
> I haven't been able to reproduce it with a known procedure, but it may
> have to do with rotating the phone during suspend.
> 
> I also haven't had it in this state on such times that it was possible
> to SSH into it to see if it was still alive or not.
> 
> Shall I file a bug report with this meager information?
> 
> Christ van Willegen
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 10:51:39 2009
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:51:39 +0200
Subject: Increasing GPS accuracy with EGNOS
In-Reply-To: <b77f73010910042338g4e7f7376pc0e7a0d2fdc499ee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26fea52c0910040501g29455dd7x3dada40b01354986@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC9241C.3040704@lists.lun.nu>
	<b77f73010910042338g4e7f7376pc0e7a0d2fdc499ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26fea52c0910050151m1745c670w38117d02f124ff58@mail.gmail.com>

The text says that you do not need any special hardware,
software only can do the trick

(might require firmware, don't know...)

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Christ van Willegen <cvwillegen at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Erik Lundin <erik at lists.lun.nu> wrote:
> > Good news, indeed. Does the Neo FreeRunner support EGNOS signals? Both
> > the hardware and software?
>
> We do know this:
> http://goandtrack.com/u-blox-to-unveil-new-galileo-ready-gps-chip.html
>
> Christ van Willegen
> --
> 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
>
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From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 10:53:02 2009
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:53:02 +0200
Subject: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
In-Reply-To: <4AC664A9.4090702@gmx.com>
References: <4AC31589.3050001@gmx.com>
	<792ba59f0909300330qe93b964gf109b6a888bf70b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC3B20B.7060905@gmx.com>
	<792ba59f0910010353q4bd4a72bud4f38757136d3a5e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC664A9.4090702@gmx.com>
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On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Thomas Franck <thomas.franck at gmx.com>wrote:

> Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau wrote:
> > Try NOR uBoot (at least I use that),
> > also, you shouldn't by new FR, just boot from SD is always a solution.
>
> Doesn't work for me..
> I prepared the 512MB card to boot (following the wiki) and booted SDcard
> via NOR.. same game.. CPU stall messages.. :(
>
> think new FR is going to be the only way to get my happy life back..
> (really got to love that little misfit)
>
> Unless there are any more ideas? where does the message CPU stall come
> from for what reason??
>
> Cheers..
> --
> Thomas


Have you tried flashin qi and using it to boot from SD?
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From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Mon Oct  5 12:02:11 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:02:11 +0100
Subject: Increasing GPS accuracy with EGNOS
In-Reply-To: <4AC9241C.3040704@lists.lun.nu>
References: <26fea52c0910040501g29455dd7x3dada40b01354986@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC9241C.3040704@lists.lun.nu>
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On Sunday 04 October 2009, Erik Lundin wrote:
> Good news, indeed. Does the Neo FreeRunner support EGNOS signals? Both
> the hardware and software?

http://www.u-blox.com/en/download-center.html?task=view.download&cid=83

According to this the Antaris 4 is capable of using WAAS, EGNOS and MSAS, 
collectively known as SBAS, and the signal is received through the GPS 
antenna. By default it is enabled, with one search channel, although this can 
be configured through the ubx protocol. The status can also be shown in ubx 
messages. This is probably worth checking to see what is actually happening 
when in Europe, as when it was written EGNOS was in test mode, and its use was 
disabled by default. It is unclear whether this was because of a 'test mode' 
flag in the signal or hardcoding in the firmware.


From iknowjoseph at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 13:20:24 2009
From: iknowjoseph at gmail.com (Joseph Reeves)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:20:24 +0100
Subject: Increasing GPS accuracy with EGNOS
In-Reply-To: <200910051102.11729.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <26fea52c0910040501g29455dd7x3dada40b01354986@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC9241C.3040704@lists.lun.nu>
	<200910051102.11729.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <958244340910050420u6fe64470lee6f653d86fbb8a3@mail.gmail.com>

>This is probably worth checking to see what is actually happening
when in Europe,

Someone tell me what command to run on what distro and I'll let you all know...



2009/10/5 Al Johnson <openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk>:
> On Sunday 04 October 2009, Erik Lundin wrote:
>> Good news, indeed. Does the Neo FreeRunner support EGNOS signals? Both
>> the hardware and software?
>
> http://www.u-blox.com/en/download-center.html?task=view.download&cid=83
>
> According to this the Antaris 4 is capable of using WAAS, EGNOS and MSAS,
> collectively known as SBAS, and the signal is received through the GPS
> antenna. By default it is enabled, with one search channel, although this can
> be configured through the ubx protocol. The status can also be shown in ubx
> messages. This is probably worth checking to see what is actually happening
> when in Europe, as when it was written EGNOS was in test mode, and its use was
> disabled by default. It is unclear whether this was because of a 'test mode'
> flag in the signal or hardcoding in the firmware.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 15:31:30 2009
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:31:30 +0200
Subject: Increasing GPS accuracy with EGNOS
In-Reply-To: <958244340910050420u6fe64470lee6f653d86fbb8a3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26fea52c0910040501g29455dd7x3dada40b01354986@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC9241C.3040704@lists.lun.nu>
	<200910051102.11729.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<958244340910050420u6fe64470lee6f653d86fbb8a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26fea52c0910050631n73276e69r14892ce6ad9d299a@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Joseph Reeves <iknowjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:

> >This is probably worth checking to see what is actually happening
> when in Europe,
>
> Someone tell me what command to run on what distro and I'll let you all
> know...
>
>
> Same here,
always willing to do some testing!
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From aapo.rantalainen at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 16:29:40 2009
From: aapo.rantalainen at gmail.com (Aapo Rantalainen)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:29:40 +0300
Subject: [SHR] new package: theremin (alfa version warning)
Message-ID: <d67d61f10910050729t21b09667y1a498073711358cb@mail.gmail.com>

I packaged maemo-theremin[1] on freerunner SHR-U.
It is nice musical tool but unfortunately it is just little bit too
slowly to work smoothly.

Anybody has any ideas how to get it working little bit faster?


Package:
http://www.opkg.org/package_287.html

Info
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Theremin

-Aapo Rantalainen

[1] http://theremin.garage.maemo.org/


From raul1 at online.de  Mon Oct  5 15:13:28 2009
From: raul1 at online.de (raul1 at online.de)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:13:28 +0200
Subject: Internal pressure sensor
In-Reply-To: <A5830E4F-15E3-465A-A0B2-1E96E15113A3@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
References: <200909302318.52186.ml@chonyota.net>	<d3e504410909301453o39ca109as62578190a46b8eaa@mail.gmail.com>	<6f7c60c40909301504m38f4987aq1c81fc5f85262f23@mail.gmail.com>	<20091004130236.GV8873@vip.cybercity.dk>	<E8ABF945-BF57-42DB-8916-A8B6C79DA3C1@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>	<6f7c60c40910040814l77acec08r19ea591469c0f7af@mail.gmail.com>
	<A5830E4F-15E3-465A-A0B2-1E96E15113A3@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4AC9F0F8.8020107@online.de>

Stroller schrieb:
> On 4 Oct 2009, at 16:14, tom wrote:
>   
>>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 06:04:30PM -0400, tom wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> actually i think they should already be built in...they are so
>>>>> cheap...
>>>>>           
>>>>   Depends on what you mean when you say cheap. I see it listed at  
>>>>         
>>> just
>>>       
>>>> under USD 10 for one sensor or the price of a 1.3 mpix camera
>>>> module. It's
>>>> also not as small as you would like for something you throw in
>>>> mostly for
>>>> fun.
>>>>         
>>> Is the 1.3 mpix camera module also $10 for a single unit? That seems
>>> remarkably good value.
>>>
>>> One would expect a pressure sensor to be much cheaper on the 1000, of
>>> course.
>>>       
>> well, my thought was just: marketshare. more features out of the box  
>>     
>>> more customers > more competition.
>>>       
>> and i dont think 10$ make adifference, not yet talking about  
>> largeqty-volumes.  eg rfid: nokia announces it since years, but FR  
>> could be fo fast...im sorry, maybe im just to optimistic...
>>     
>
> 1) Please don't top-post in reply to a bottom-post. It makes the flow  
> of the conversation difficult to read.
>
> 2) Please don't post to the list in HTML. Plain-text is preferable.
>
>
>
> 3) The costs of production were discussed a LOT on this list in the  
> past, when the Openmoko team was still active. To be honest, even if  
> the component is only $1 then it may be too expensive, as many more  
> design and testing costs are added to the total production cost by the  
> addition of the component.
>
> Customers will be dissatisfied if it doesn't work as expected. A large  
> increase in market share is needed to make the addition worthwhile.  
> Therefore the addition of a camera may be worthwhile, whereas the  
> addition of a barometric sensor is not.
>
> However a camera requires retooling of the Freerunner's case, a  
> surprisingly cost-prohibitive change. I think the cost of creating a  
> new case for the Freerunner is considerably more than $10,000. I would  
> imagine that a camera requires other components to make it work and is  
> more complex from the design point of view. There have historically  
> been two major complaints about the Freerunner - lack of a camera and  
> of 3G. Either might enlarge its market share considerably, but both  
> were rejected on cost grounds.
>
> This barometer is self-contained and connected to the i2c bus, a  
> _relatively_ simple addition. If there is demand for the barometer -  
> although I'm inclined to agree with Rask that there wouldn't be - then  
> it might it be justified to add it were Brazil ever to go into  
> Freerunner production.
>
> A 1.3mp camera would produce complaints that it's a poor specification  
> compared to the iPhone. Hardly anyone would be grateful for the  
> addition of the barometric sensor.
>
> TBH, if the Freerunner were in reliable, long-term production, I might  
> be able to imagine a market for Freerunners amongst hang-glider  
> pilots. I think a person might be able to make a living adding  
> Christoph's sensor and selling Freerunners with varioaltimeter  
> software installed. The software would have to be closed-source,  
> however, to make a livelihood out of it and realistically it might  
> take a year to get the software to an acceptable quality for  
> commercial sales (and still longer to build-up market share). The  
> author might need to write anti-piracy measures into the code, and  
> what is to prevent a determined attacker from patching the kernel to  
> report a different IMEA number to the altimeter software?
>
> Stroller.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>   
I thought of adding this pressuresensor and using the freerunner as a
gps-varioaltimeter for flying some time ago, but I think the display
wont be readable in sunlight. And i would prefer hardwarebuttons while
flying.


From iknowjoseph at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 16:52:49 2009
From: iknowjoseph at gmail.com (Joseph Reeves)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:52:49 +0100
Subject: Increasing GPS accuracy with EGNOS
In-Reply-To: <958244340910050420u6fe64470lee6f653d86fbb8a3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26fea52c0910040501g29455dd7x3dada40b01354986@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC9241C.3040704@lists.lun.nu>
	<200910051102.11729.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<958244340910050420u6fe64470lee6f653d86fbb8a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <958244340910050752rc2450d4w581f50e34ba5d6c0@mail.gmail.com>

> Someone tell me what command to run on what distro and I'll let you all know...

Oh, and somebody write a SISNeT application too ;-)

http://www.egnos-pro.esa.int/sisnet/index.html



2009/10/5 Joseph Reeves <iknowjoseph at gmail.com>:
>>This is probably worth checking to see what is actually happening
> when in Europe,
>
> Someone tell me what command to run on what distro and I'll let you all know...
>
>
>
> 2009/10/5 Al Johnson <openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk>:
>> On Sunday 04 October 2009, Erik Lundin wrote:
>>> Good news, indeed. Does the Neo FreeRunner support EGNOS signals? Both
>>> the hardware and software?
>>
>> http://www.u-blox.com/en/download-center.html?task=view.download&cid=83
>>
>> According to this the Antaris 4 is capable of using WAAS, EGNOS and MSAS,
>> collectively known as SBAS, and the signal is received through the GPS
>> antenna. By default it is enabled, with one search channel, although this can
>> be configured through the ubx protocol. The status can also be shown in ubx
>> messages. This is probably worth checking to see what is actually happening
>> when in Europe, as when it was written EGNOS was in test mode, and its use was
>> disabled by default. It is unclear whether this was because of a 'test mode'
>> flag in the signal or hardcoding in the firmware.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>


From hns at computer.org  Mon Oct  5 17:01:33 2009
From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:01:33 +0200
Subject: Next Munich Openmoko "Stammtisch" in November/December 2009
Message-ID: <8CC10254-904C-41C9-960B-434AD8F46485@computer.org>

Hi all,
the next Openmoko "Stammtisch" (informal meeting) in Munich, Germany  
is being planned. As in past meetings you can meet users and geeks,  
talk about hardware and software, and even find long-time Zaurus  
owners...

Since we did have a visitor from Canada last time, everyone who is  
interested to come to Munich in November or December is welcome (we  
try to speak English if necessary). Please vote for the preferred  
evening (19:00) through doodle.

For details, please go to (German language):

	http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=1583&p=15546

Nikolaus


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From esteban.francisco at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 17:40:54 2009
From: esteban.francisco at gmail.com (Esteban Monge)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:40:54 -0600
Subject: No wireless in Debian Sid
In-Reply-To: <m2y6nt9egp.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <ef378ab30910021037y27ae31aaxb24ecd59dba19ee9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091002200913.GA14052@earth.universe>
	<m2y6nt9egp.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <ef378ab30910050840g43d6360ci7ddd0fc9519777ec@mail.gmail.com>

>
> FYI SetPower is an internal low-level method not supposed to be used
> in the apps directly. Please read FSO_Resources wikipage if you want
> to do it properly.
>
> Thanks, I take care about this...

-- 
http://nuevaeracr.blogspot.com
Linux user number 478378
Linux machine number 386687
Tec. Esteban Monge Mar?n
Tel: (506) 8379-3562

?No habr? manera de desarrollarnos y salir de
la pobreza mientras los pocos negocios
grandes de nuestro medio se entreguen a las
econom?as for?neas y nosotros nos
quedemos con solo negocios de pobre,
mientras en vez de ser propietarios de nuestro
propio pa?s nos convirtamos en un ej?rcito de
empleados del exterior?
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From esteban.francisco at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 18:26:19 2009
From: esteban.francisco at gmail.com (Esteban Monge)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:26:19 -0600
Subject: No wireless in Debian Sid
In-Reply-To: <ef378ab30910050840g43d6360ci7ddd0fc9519777ec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef378ab30910021037y27ae31aaxb24ecd59dba19ee9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091002200913.GA14052@earth.universe>
	<m2y6nt9egp.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<ef378ab30910050840g43d6360ci7ddd0fc9519777ec@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello Again...

I found this command, I think is the correct way to enable the wireless:

mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced
/org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi
org.freesmartphone.Resource.Enable

And to turn off:

mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced
/org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi
org.freesmartphone.Resource.Disable

I going to make the little gui based in this commands...
-- 
http://nuevaeracr.blogspot.com
Linux user number 478378
Linux machine number 386687
Tec. Esteban Monge Mar?n
Tel: (506) 8379-3562

?No habr? manera de desarrollarnos y salir de
la pobreza mientras los pocos negocios
grandes de nuestro medio se entreguen a las
econom?as for?neas y nosotros nos
quedemos con solo negocios de pobre,
mientras en vez de ser propietarios de nuestro
propio pa?s nos convirtamos en un ej?rcito de
empleados del exterior?
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From captain.deadly at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 18:19:01 2009
From: captain.deadly at gmail.com (Arigead)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:19:01 +0100
Subject: [shr-u] App Launcher first thoughts
Message-ID: <4ACA1C75.8000803@gmail.com>

It's taken me a while to get around to looking at this. Brilliant,
really like it for a start but hard to find info on how to configure it.
At present I can't seem to configure it to receive the SMS messages.

I've been looking through the internet with a very bad connection trying
to find some info on the necessary configuration of both launcher and
framework to get it to work. I unfortunately removed shr-messages from
the phone as I liked the app launcher so much. Now I've got the
notifications that I've received an SMS message but I've no idea where
it is. Using a test sim so I'm messaging myself so I'm not missing
anything anyhow ;-)

I have to say I like the default screen and think that it's better then
the illume app screen in shr-u. This is personal opinion but I don't
think that the screen of applications I have installed is information.
It only becomes information if I add an app to the phone and then it's
only  useful information when I add one and can see it there. I don't
think I'd like my computer's desktop to just show me all the apps I have
installed. I know where to find the menu to launch one though, when I
need it.

As I've said can't find info on launcher but my screen is showing me the
time and the date, each on a line and then on a third line it's showing
me a few numbers which I've no idea about. What does that info mean?

I've been looking over what email I still have in my inbox on the
subject of launcher and trying to piece together info. I don't think it
should be that complicated though. It'd be great if people who went
ahead of me and found stuff out could have updated the app launcher wiki
page in the openmoko wiki, then I'd be standing on the shoulders of
giants. At present all I can see are shins.

Now in one of those previous emails the  author (Well done on a
brilliant app) mentioned that an attempt might be made to create a dbus
interface to add info to the launcher home screen. Did that go anywhere?
I'm interested in this as I'd like to add a simple anniversary  app
which could make use of this interface. I don't want to add reminders
for birthdays and the like as it's a bit of work and when I do that on
other phones I get reminded maybe three days before the event and then
promptly forget it till the day after the event (disaster_1.0.0.bb) It'd
be great if I could write a simple script which would look at my text
file which contains all the dates and work out which date is next and
how long I've got. Then post that info to app launcher which could put
it under the time and date and maybe even color code it depending on how
long I've got left. A cron job could check it when the date changes at
midnight and when the phone is powered up. Obviously then I can't forget
the date in question. Maybe if there were two dates very close it could
put up both. Anyhow that's just be thinking out loud. Maybe other people
here ain't as absent minded as me. Maybe it's an age thing ;-)

Loving the launcher if I could only wire it up to receive messages ;-)


From christian at exinto.de  Mon Oct  5 17:41:33 2009
From: christian at exinto.de (Christian)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:41:33 +0200
Subject: Increasing GPS accuracy with EGNOS
In-Reply-To: <200910051102.11729.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <26fea52c0910040501g29455dd7x3dada40b01354986@mail.gmail.com>	<4AC9241C.3040704@lists.lun.nu>
	<200910051102.11729.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4ACA13AD.2080806@exinto.de>

Al Johnson schrieb:
> On Sunday 04 October 2009, Erik Lundin wrote:
>> Good news, indeed. Does the Neo FreeRunner support EGNOS signals? Both
>> the hardware and software?
> 
> http://www.u-blox.com/en/download-center.html?task=view.download&cid=83
> 
> According to this the Antaris 4 is capable of using WAAS, EGNOS and MSAS, 
> collectively known as SBAS, and the signal is received through the GPS 
> antenna. By default it is enabled, with one search channel, although this can 
> be configured through the ubx protocol. The status can also be shown in ubx 
> messages. This is probably worth checking to see what is actually happening 
> when in Europe, as when it was written EGNOS was in test mode, and its use was 
> disabled by default. It is unclear whether this was because of a 'test mode' 
> flag in the signal or hardcoding in the firmware.

I found this in the source of ogpsd on my Freerunner:

def initializeDevice( self ):

    # Use high sensitivity mode

    #self.send("CFG-RXM", 2, {"gps_mode" : 2, "lp_mode" : 0})

    # Enable use of SBAS (even in testmode)

    self.send("CFG-SBAS", 8, {"mode" : 1, "usage" : 7, "maxsbas" : 3,
"scanmode" : 0})

So it seems that SBAS has always been enabled even in test mode. Does
anybody know where we can get information if sbas is really active and
used by the chip?

Christian


From thomas.franck at gmx.com  Mon Oct  5 20:27:58 2009
From: thomas.franck at gmx.com (Thomas Franck)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 20:27:58 +0200
Subject: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
In-Reply-To: <26fea52c0910050153w37f1d229k6d57dce98ef19526@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC31589.3050001@gmx.com>	<792ba59f0909300330qe93b964gf109b6a888bf70b6@mail.gmail.com>	<4AC3B20B.7060905@gmx.com>	<792ba59f0910010353q4bd4a72bud4f38757136d3a5e@mail.gmail.com>	<4AC664A9.4090702@gmx.com>
	<26fea52c0910050153w37f1d229k6d57dce98ef19526@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACA3AAE.3030908@gmx.com>

Yorick Moko wrote:
> Have you tried flashin qi and using it to boot from SD?

just trying.. still jiffies, mean CPU stall..

Say, how do I know if Qi is booting off the SD card?

Cheers,
-- 
Thomas

-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
Computer system analysis is like child-rearing; you can do grievous
damage, but you cannot ensure success.
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From esteban.francisco at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 20:42:57 2009
From: esteban.francisco at gmail.com (Esteban Monge)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:42:57 -0600
Subject: WiFi-Tool (or GPRS-Tool modified)
Message-ID: <ef378ab30910051142h15bc80bct8d394383892122bb@mail.gmail.com>

Hello I modified a little script in (1) named GPRS Tool, again, I test some
times and work good!

This time I modified to Turn On Wifi o Turn Off Wifi, the script is:

#!/usr/bin/env python

import os, time, random, gtk, gobject

class wifi:
    def delete_event(self, widget, event=None, data=None):
        gtk.main_quit()
        return False

    def set_status(self, label):
        status = os.system("ifconfig eth0")
        if status == 0:
            status = "WiFi Power On"
            label.set_text(status)
            label.modify_fg(gtk.STATE_NORMAL, gtk.gdk.color_parse("green"))

        else:
            status = "WiFi Power Off"
            label.set_text(status)
            label.modify_fg(gtk.STATE_NORMAL, gtk.gdk.color_parse("red"))

        return True

    def wifi_on(self, button):
        os.system("mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced
/org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi
org.freesmartphone.Resource.Enable")

    def wifi_off(self, button):
        os.system("mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced
/org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi
org.freesmartphone.Resource.Disable")

    def __init__(self):

        # Iniciar la ventana principal
        self.win = gtk.Window(gtk.WINDOW_TOPLEVEL)
        self.win.connect("delete_event", self.delete_event)

        # Anadir una VBox
        self.vbox = gtk.VBox(homogeneous=False, spacing=1)
        self.win.add(self.vbox)
        self.vbox.show()

        # Anadir el senalador de estatus
        self.status_label = gtk.Label("Status")
        self.vbox.pack_start(self.status_label)
        self.status_label.show()
        gobject.timeout_add (3000, self.set_status, self.status_label)

        # Anadir una Vbox para las etiquetas de informacion
        self.vbox1 = gtk.VBox(homogeneous=False, spacing=1)
        self.vbox.pack_start(self.vbox1)
        self.vbox1.show()

        # Anadir una HBox para los botones
        self.hbox0 = gtk.HBox(homogeneous=False, spacing=5)
        self.vbox.pack_start(self.hbox0)
        self.hbox0.show()

        # Anadir el boton de encendido
        self.wifi = gtk.Button("Turn On WiFi")
        self.hbox0.pack_start(self.wifi)
        self.wifi.connect("clicked", self.wifi_on)
        self.wifi.show()

        # Anadir el boton de apagado
        self.wifioff = gtk.Button("Turn Off WiFi")
        self.hbox0.pack_start(self.wifioff)
        self.wifioff.connect("clicked", self.wifi_off)
        self.wifioff.show()

        # Anadir el boton de salida
        self.button_exit = gtk.Button("Exit")
        self.vbox.pack_start(self.button_exit)
        self.button_exit.connect("clicked", self.delete_event)
        self.button_exit.show()

        self.win.show()

    def main(self):
        gtk.main()

if __name__ == '__main__':
    gui = wifi()
    gui.main()

I want make a pretty background and makes the GUI more pretty, but for this
moment works for me. I dont understand good Python or GTK =(

Thanks to:
Nikita V. Youshchenko
Paul Fertser
Sebastian Reichel

For the help and Support

(1) http://fyp-archiv.relei.de/

-- 
http://nuevaeracr.blogspot.com
Linux user number 478378
Linux machine number 386687
Tec. Esteban Monge Mar?n
Tel: (506) 8379-3562

?No habr? manera de desarrollarnos y salir de
la pobreza mientras los pocos negocios
grandes de nuestro medio se entreguen a las
econom?as for?neas y nosotros nos
quedemos con solo negocios de pobre,
mientras en vez de ser propietarios de nuestro
propio pa?s nos convirtamos en un ej?rcito de
empleados del exterior?
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From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Mon Oct  5 21:59:47 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 20:59:47 +0100
Subject: Increasing GPS accuracy with EGNOS
In-Reply-To: <958244340910050420u6fe64470lee6f653d86fbb8a3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26fea52c0910040501g29455dd7x3dada40b01354986@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910051102.11729.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<958244340910050420u6fe64470lee6f653d86fbb8a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910052059.47422.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Monday 05 October 2009, Joseph Reeves wrote:
> >This is probably worth checking to see what is actually happening
> 
> when in Europe,
> 
> Someone tell me what command to run on what distro and I'll let you all
>  know...

If it was going to be that easy I'd have done it myself ;-) AFAIK there isn't 
a simple ubx utility that would allow us to send parameters to the GPS and 
watch for the returning messages, so adding a few lines to ogpsd is probably 
the easiest approach. For anyone who knows their way around ogpsd and ubx it 
should be quick and easy ;-) I'm not that person, so if I get round to it it 
may take a little longer...

> 2009/10/5 Al Johnson <openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk>:
> > On Sunday 04 October 2009, Erik Lundin wrote:
> >> Good news, indeed. Does the Neo FreeRunner support EGNOS signals? Both
> >> the hardware and software?
> >
> > http://www.u-blox.com/en/download-center.html?task=view.download&cid=83
> >
> > According to this the Antaris 4 is capable of using WAAS, EGNOS and MSAS,
> > collectively known as SBAS, and the signal is received through the GPS
> > antenna. By default it is enabled, with one search channel, although this
> > can be configured through the ubx protocol. The status can also be shown
> > in ubx messages. This is probably worth checking to see what is actually
> > happening when in Europe, as when it was written EGNOS was in test mode,
> > and its use was disabled by default. It is unclear whether this was
> > because of a 'test mode' flag in the signal or hardcoding in the
> > firmware.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From esteban.francisco at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 22:09:19 2009
From: esteban.francisco at gmail.com (Esteban Monge)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:09:19 -0600
Subject: WiFi-Tool (or GPRS-Tool modified)
In-Reply-To: <m2tyydabn8.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <ef378ab30910051142h15bc80bct8d394383892122bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<m2tyydabn8.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <ef378ab30910051309n5c9ff09au770250da626ddfbb@mail.gmail.com>

Hello I  readed this page:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_Resources

You suggest use the command

fsoraw -r WiFi

-- 
http://nuevaeracr.blogspot.com
Linux user number 478378
Linux machine number 386687
Tec. Esteban Monge Mar?n
Tel: (506) 8379-3562

?No habr? manera de desarrollarnos y salir de
la pobreza mientras los pocos negocios
grandes de nuestro medio se entreguen a las
econom?as for?neas y nosotros nos
quedemos con solo negocios de pobre,
mientras en vez de ser propietarios de nuestro
propio pa?s nos convirtamos en un ej?rcito de
empleados del exterior?
Jos? Figueres Ferrer, 1952.
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From vanous at penguin.cz  Mon Oct  5 22:29:24 2009
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:29:24 +0200
Subject: WiFi-Tool (or GPRS-Tool modified)
References: <ef378ab30910051142h15bc80bct8d394383892122bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<m2tyydabn8.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<ef378ab30910051309n5c9ff09au770250da626ddfbb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091005222924.1abb6489@vanek.robe.cz>

On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:09:19 -0600
Esteban Monge <esteban.francisco at gmail.com> (EM) wrote:

>Hello I  readed this page:
>http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_Resources
>
>You suggest use the command
>
>fsoraw -r WiFi

if you for example enable wifi via shr-settings and then use any script
that uses fso-raw by default, the resource will get released upon
the spripts exit... which imho is bad - it should read the status of the
resource before action and when leaving leave it in the state it was in,
or?

Petr



From fercerpav at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 22:28:21 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:28:21 +0400
Subject: WiFi-Tool (or GPRS-Tool modified)
In-Reply-To: <ef378ab30910051309n5c9ff09au770250da626ddfbb@mail.gmail.com>
	(Esteban Monge's message of "Mon\, 5 Oct 2009 14\:09\:19 -0600")
References: <ef378ab30910051142h15bc80bct8d394383892122bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<m2tyydabn8.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<ef378ab30910051309n5c9ff09au770250da626ddfbb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m2pr91a8m2.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

Esteban Monge <esteban.francisco at gmail.com> writes:
> Hello I? readed this page:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_Resources
>
> You suggest use the command
>
> fsoraw -r WiFi

For shell scripts, yes. For your own programs you can call
RequestResource and ReleaseResource directly.

HTH
-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com


From iknowjoseph at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 17:05:58 2009
From: iknowjoseph at gmail.com (Joseph Reeves)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:05:58 +0100
Subject: tangogps 0.9.7 release
In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770910021842k468c8626n34a1a0b62ad43da5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090921184337.72cf34f9@one>
	<200909221238.03834.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<20090922213825.4a8d5c49@one>
	<958244340909221244k7013d41cv87cb14f3f9b8d741@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC5EAB5.7040305@hist.no>
	<2f3aa2770910021842k468c8626n34a1a0b62ad43da5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <958244340910050805s56d7ab5ai5bcf4dbed2f95475@mail.gmail.com>

> myself, i'd be inclined to ignore them and carry on uploading tracks

+1



2009/10/3 Robin Paulson <robin.paulson at gmail.com>:
> 2009/10/3 Helge Hafting <helge.hafting at hist.no>:
>> Actually, I got a mail once telling me not to do that. Seems there were
>> limited room on servers, and "too much" of my tracks were "known stuff".
>> So now I only edit with josm, I don't upload tracks.
>
> who told you that? i'd be very surprised if that was anyone who
> actually had an involvement with the osm infrastructure (servers,
> etc.). the people involved in maintaining and directing osm are pretty
> light in their instructions to everyone else (which has good and bad
> side effects...)
>
> myself, i'd be inclined to ignore them and carry on uploading tracks
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From fercerpav at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 21:22:51 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:22:51 +0400
Subject: WiFi-Tool (or GPRS-Tool modified)
In-Reply-To: <ef378ab30910051142h15bc80bct8d394383892122bb@mail.gmail.com>
	(Esteban Monge's message of "Mon\, 5 Oct 2009 12\:42\:57 -0600")
References: <ef378ab30910051142h15bc80bct8d394383892122bb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m2tyydabn8.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

Esteban Monge <esteban.francisco at gmail.com> writes:
> ??? def wifi_on(self, button):
> ??? ??? os.system("mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi
> org.freesmartphone.Resource.Enable")

Are you sure you know exactly what FSO resources concept is about and
have you seen FSO_Resources wikipage?

-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com


From esteban.francisco at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 01:53:56 2009
From: esteban.francisco at gmail.com (Esteban Monge)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:53:56 -0600
Subject: WiFi-Tool (or GPRS-Tool modified)
In-Reply-To: <20091005222924.1abb6489@vanek.robe.cz>
References: <ef378ab30910051142h15bc80bct8d394383892122bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<m2tyydabn8.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<ef378ab30910051309n5c9ff09au770250da626ddfbb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091005222924.1abb6489@vanek.robe.cz>
Message-ID: <ef378ab30910051653x7ae54cbfrede5748bea3a9feb@mail.gmail.com>

def set_status(self, label):
        status = os.system("ifconfig eth0")
        if status == 0:
            status = "WiFi Power On"
            label.set_text(status)
            label.modify_fg(gtk.STATE_NORMAL, gtk.gdk.color_parse("green"))

        else:
            status = "WiFi Power Off"
            label.set_text(status)
            label.modify_fg(gtk.STATE_NORMAL, gtk.gdk.color_parse("red"))

This part of the script check if WiFi is Power On or Power Off, maybe
prevents the bad use of the script, in my case work good.

-- 
http://nuevaeracr.blogspot.com
Linux user number 478378
Linux machine number 386687
Tec. Esteban Monge Mar?n
Tel: (506) 8379-3562

?No habr? manera de desarrollarnos y salir de
la pobreza mientras los pocos negocios
grandes de nuestro medio se entreguen a las
econom?as for?neas y nosotros nos
quedemos con solo negocios de pobre,
mientras en vez de ser propietarios de nuestro
propio pa?s nos convirtamos en un ej?rcito de
empleados del exterior?
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From werner at openmoko.org  Tue Oct  6 03:18:34 2009
From: werner at openmoko.org (Werner Almesberger)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:18:34 -0300
Subject: Internal pressure sensor
In-Reply-To: <A5830E4F-15E3-465A-A0B2-1E96E15113A3@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
References: <200909302318.52186.ml@chonyota.net>
	<d3e504410909301453o39ca109as62578190a46b8eaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f7c60c40909301504m38f4987aq1c81fc5f85262f23@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091004130236.GV8873@vip.cybercity.dk>
	<E8ABF945-BF57-42DB-8916-A8B6C79DA3C1@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
	<6f7c60c40910040814l77acec08r19ea591469c0f7af@mail.gmail.com>
	<A5830E4F-15E3-465A-A0B2-1E96E15113A3@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20091006011834.GB21196@almesberger.net>

Stroller wrote:
> This barometer is self-contained and connected to the i2c bus, a  
> _relatively_ simple addition. If there is demand for the barometer -  
> although I'm inclined to agree with Rask that there wouldn't be - then  
> it might it be justified to add it were Brazil ever to go into  
> Freerunner production.

Here's where Open Design Hardware changes the scenario: if you have an
(open) base product, you can design, produce, and deploy small changes
for a special interest group at a comparably low price - a bit higher
than if the change was part of the mass-produced design, but
considerably lower than any traditional alternatives.

> software installed. The software would have to be closed-source,  
[... more horror material ...]

Why bother ? Even if we assume for a moment that you can't make money
selling unencumbered software, you'd have the enhanced hardware
already as a kind of dongle. Also, since this would be a highly
specialized niche product, I would expect customer loyalty to be high.

- Werner


From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Tue Oct  6 02:43:37 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 01:43:37 +0100
Subject: [fso based] Simplified mixer app
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc80910020742y38d3e24ft8f6bc77d0ee73583@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<c4cd0cc80910020717k1d122b22k32c633128dd55f2d@mail.gmail.com>
	<c4cd0cc80910020742y38d3e24ft8f6bc77d0ee73583@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910060143.38401.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Friday 02 October 2009, Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
> 
> <laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com> wrote:
> > But there is so many things what changed, that Im completely lost.
> 
> Just wanted to notice you, that restoring the original
> gsmhandset.state file (and rebooting)
> does solve my problem. Im able to take call, and hear the other party.
> (and he able to hear me).
> 
> Although your program was nice. It changed the mic way better, what I
> had. Other party
> said, its much louder and clearer.
> 
> Hope you can sort out, why the broken .state file is broken. And where
> the bugs comes from ...

Updated version now available:
http://www.mazikeen.demon.co.uk/openmoko/fso-simplemixer.py

I can't reproduce your problem with faulty saves. You should find some extra 
debug output if you start it in a terminal, and message boxes so you know 
something has happened. This will show which scenario it asked fso to save, so 
you can check whether is asked to save the right one. It's possible we have 
different versions of frameworkd. I'm testing with:

root at om-gta02 ~ $ opkg list_installed frameworkd
frameworkd - 0.9.5.9+gitr1697+ed29786daceccefe918ce3911e3b6fb7f2efb08c-r0 -

Other changes:
* More scenarios simplified.
* With unhandled scenarios there is a message instead of a blank screen or 
crash

I looked into adding the alsa channel number to the name in the advanced view, 
but pyalsaaudio doesn't make it available.


From rod at whitby.id.au  Tue Oct  6 13:38:23 2009
From: rod at whitby.id.au (Rod Whitby)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:08:23 +1030
Subject: Rod Whitby (MokoMakefile author) moves on to start WebOS Internals
Message-ID: <885645D3-B5E5-4A96-A8A8-FF86212B4FA0@whitby.id.au>

http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/webos-internals/palm-pre-lands-in-australia.html

It is with some sadness that I must say goodbye to the OpenMoko  
community, and move on to new things.

My dream of an OpenMoko phone with a hardware keyboard to replace my  
aging Treo 650 was never realised, and you all know the rest of the  
story on the software side of things.

I've now started a new community (webos-internals.org) which does open  
source Linux-based development for the Palm Pre.

My hope is that freesmartphone.org may one day be the bridge between  
the OpenMoko community I am now leaving, and the WebOS Internals  
community which has recently started.

I wish everyone continuing down the OpenMoko path the best of success  
in the future.

-- Rod


From stefan at datenfreihafen.org  Tue Oct  6 13:57:19 2009
From: stefan at datenfreihafen.org (Stefan Schmidt)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 13:57:19 +0200
Subject: Rod Whitby (MokoMakefile author) moves on to start WebOS Internals
In-Reply-To: <885645D3-B5E5-4A96-A8A8-FF86212B4FA0@whitby.id.au>
References: <885645D3-B5E5-4A96-A8A8-FF86212B4FA0@whitby.id.au>
Message-ID: <20091006115719.GC3181@dodger.lab.datenfreihafen.org>

Hello.

On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 22:08, Rod Whitby wrote:
> 
> My hope is that freesmartphone.org may one day be the bridge between  
> the OpenMoko community I am now leaving, and the WebOS Internals  
> community which has recently started.

Work for such a bridge is already ongoing. Hardware should be here around
2009-10-12.

http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Palm_Pre_Challenge

Hope to see you on the other side. :)

regards
Stefan Schmidt


From wolfgang at qi-hardware.com  Tue Oct  6 14:02:00 2009
From: wolfgang at qi-hardware.com (Wolfgang Spraul)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:02:00 -0400
Subject: Rod Whitby (MokoMakefile author) moves on to start WebOS Internals
In-Reply-To: <885645D3-B5E5-4A96-A8A8-FF86212B4FA0@whitby.id.au>
References: <885645D3-B5E5-4A96-A8A8-FF86212B4FA0@whitby.id.au>
Message-ID: <20091006120200.GA2834@debian>

Rod,
wow, sad to see you go indeed.
You are one of the true old-timers of Openmoko :-)
Since hacking the Palm Pre is not that far from an 'open phone' perspective,
maybe you can add a feed to the Openmoko planet and we can that way stay in
touch with what you are doing?
I will regularly check what's going on at webos-internals.org
All the best! Good luck!
Wolfgang

On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 10:08:23PM +1030, Rod Whitby wrote:
> http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/webos-internals/palm-pre-lands-in-australia.html
> 
> It is with some sadness that I must say goodbye to the OpenMoko  
> community, and move on to new things.
> 
> My dream of an OpenMoko phone with a hardware keyboard to replace my  
> aging Treo 650 was never realised, and you all know the rest of the  
> story on the software side of things.
> 
> I've now started a new community (webos-internals.org) which does open  
> source Linux-based development for the Palm Pre.
> 
> My hope is that freesmartphone.org may one day be the bridge between  
> the OpenMoko community I am now leaving, and the WebOS Internals  
> community which has recently started.
> 
> I wish everyone continuing down the OpenMoko path the best of success  
> in the future.
> 
> -- Rod
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


From mickey at vanille-media.de  Tue Oct  6 14:20:31 2009
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:20:31 +0200
Subject: Rod Whitby (MokoMakefile author) moves on to start WebOS Internals
In-Reply-To: <885645D3-B5E5-4A96-A8A8-FF86212B4FA0@whitby.id.au>
References: <885645D3-B5E5-4A96-A8A8-FF86212B4FA0@whitby.id.au>
Message-ID: <200910061420.31688.mickey@vanille-media.de>

Rod,

thanks for all the work you did to bring Openmoko forward!

Even though it took all so long due to all our detours, I'm quite satisfied 
with what the Openmoko community has created throughout the years, especially 
since Openmoko Inc. stopped guiding the project.

A hardware family often is the initial trigger to establish a community, 
however it's important to embrace and extend, especially when the days of the 
hardware family are counted. As other solution come around, it gets important 
for the Openmoko community to widen the focus and grow into something larger.

I created the freesmartphone.org project to cover a much wider scope than 
Openmoko -- as such, we are looking forward to continue our work on FSO 
covering both anti-vendor-ports and forthcoming semiopen devices such as the 
Palm Pre and the Nokia N900.

So... good bye and hello again!

See you soon,

:M:


From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Tue Oct  6 14:44:06 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 13:44:06 +0100
Subject: No wireless in Debian Sid
In-Reply-To: <ef378ab30910050926x12319295te722f958ab74265c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef378ab30910021037y27ae31aaxb24ecd59dba19ee9@mail.gmail.com>
	<ef378ab30910050840g43d6360ci7ddd0fc9519777ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<ef378ab30910050926x12319295te722f958ab74265c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910061344.06532.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Monday 05 October 2009, Esteban Monge wrote:
> Hello Again...
> 
> I found this command, I think is the correct way to enable the wireless:
> 
> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced
> /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi
> org.freesmartphone.Resource.Enable
> 
> And to turn off:
> 
> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced
> /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi
> org.freesmartphone.Resource.Disable
> 
> I going to make the little gui based in this commands...

You should not use this interface! From the docs[1]:
"Applications usually are not allowed to use this interface directly, they 
will solely interact using the org.freesmartphone.Usage API."

The Resource Handling introduction[2] describes how you're supposed to control 
resources. In short you should be using:

mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage 
org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy WiFi enabled

The valid states are enabled, disabled and auto, with auto being the default. 
Auto will enable the resource only when at least one application has requested 
it.

[1] 
http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Resource.html;hb=HEAD
[2] http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/usage-
intro.html;hb=HEAD
[3] 


From rms at 1407.org  Mon Oct  5 18:27:47 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:27:47 +0100
Subject: [Qi - SHR-U/All?] Pink line of death
In-Reply-To: <4AC9A8A1.5080706@gmx.net>
References: <b77f73010910030652y50167ee3p6339483864d27593@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC9A8A1.5080706@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20091005162747.GA520@roque.1407.org>

It's not omnewrotate. If you're lucky, using omnewrotate may help
you recover that screen state.

All omnewrotate does is infer a position from the accelerometers and
using the xrandr API to rotate the screen

http://code.google.com/p/omnewrotate/source/browse/trunk/src/omnewrotate.c#264

So if you want a culprit you can look at libxrandr, although I'm looking
quite more seriously at that damned glamo chip.

As to your last question, just chmod 000 /etc/X11/Xsession.d/*omnewrotate

Rui

On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 10:04:49AM +0200, Andreas Fischer wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've also seen this bug and I've also tracked it down to OMNewRotate. My
> solution so far was to always disable rotation before going into
> suspend. Not doing so seems to give a chance of (almost?) 100% failure.
> Note, that I keep the freerunner strapped in a horizontal position to my
> belt - so during suspend it will almost certainly be rotated, unless
> rotate has been switched off.
> 
> Interestingly there seems to be a step before the pink line is shown:
> Sometimes when I boot and do not enter the PIN immediately (but still
> before suspend), the screen is partly garbled (lower 33% of the screen
> in portrait mode). After suspend, the pink line shows up.
> 
> Listening to the feeling in my gut, I'd say glamo b0rks screen setup
> when in a rotated position.
> 
> Hope this helps to narrow it down. Meanwhile - is there a way to disable
> OMNewRotate on boot and suspend (i.e. to only enable it manually)?
> 
> Regards,
> Andreas
> 
> Christ van Willegen wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Has anyone seen the 'pink line of death' at any time?
> > 
> > My FR sometimes does not suspend, but instead shows a black screen
> > with a pink/purple line at about 33% from the bottom of the screen.
> > The backlight is fully on. Also, the screen is whining.
> > 
> > I haven't been able to reproduce it with a known procedure, but it may
> > have to do with rotating the phone during suspend.
> > 
> > I also haven't had it in this state on such times that it was possible
> > to SSH into it to see if it was still alive or not.
> > 
> > Shall I file a bug report with this meager information?
> > 
> > Christ van Willegen
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

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From fett_mokokernel at fragcom.de  Tue Oct  6 15:15:08 2009
From: fett_mokokernel at fragcom.de (D. Fett)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 06:15:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Advanced Geocaching Tool for Linux - Version 0.4.0
Message-ID: <1254834908000-3774950.post@n2.nabble.com>


A new version is out and there are lots of new features:

- Added cool command line interface! See below for features.
- Completely new search feature
- New "marking" feature: Mark interesting geocaches and get back to them
quickly.
- Added upper bound for visible caches to improve speed
- Added upscaling of missing map tiles
- Changed image loading*
- Don't redraw map on movement if your position isn't shown anyway
- Changed quality indicator to see how exact the shown position is. Shows if
DPGS-Satellites (SBAS) are in sight.
- Recursive retrieval of geocaches. Download more geocaches with one click.
- bearing-hold function now works.
- better map drawing: see faster, which tiles are missing
- better hint decoding
- added python-json dependency
- Faster downloading of geocaches. 
- Removed exporting function until it is adapted to the new downloader 
- Smaller default size for use on netbooks

* To have all the images of a cache available, re-download your geocaches. 

The package is available as a PyPi-package for all newer python
distributions. For Ubuntu, all you have to do is:
sudo apt-get install python-setuptools
sudo easy_install agtl

An (slightly outdated) debian package for older python distributions is
available (see
http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=agtl&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
).

These are the features of the new CLI:

./agtl set [options]
        Change the configuration.
./agtl import [importactions] 
        Fetch geocaches from geocaching.com and write to the internal
database.
./agtl import [importactions] do [actions]
        Fetch geocaches from geocaching.com, put them into the internal
database and do whatever actions are listed.
./agtl filter [filter-options] do [actions]
        Query the internal database for geocaches and do the desired
actions.
./agtl import [importactions] filter [filter-options] do [actions]
        Import geocaches, put them into the internal database, filter the
imported geocaches and run the actions. 
./agtl sql "SELECT * FROM geocaches WHERE ... ORDER BY ... LIMIT ..." do
[actions]
        Select geocaches from local database and run the actions afterwards.
Additional use of the filter is also supported. To get more information, run
"./agtl sql".
options:
        --user(name) username
        --pass(word) password
                Your geocaching.com login data. 
importactions:
        --in coord1 coord2
                Fetches the index of geocaches between the given
coordinates.
                These are interpreted as the corners of a rectangle. All
caches
                within the rectangle are retrieved. No details are
retrieved.
        --around coord radius-in-km
                Fetches the index of geocaches at the given coordinate and
radius
                kilometers around it. No details are retrieved.

filter-options:
        --in coord1 coord2
        --around coord1 radius-in-km
                See import actions.
        -f|--found
        -F|--not-found
                Filter out geocaches which have (not) been found by the
user.
        -w|--was-downloaded
                caches which have full detail information available
        
        -s|--size (min|max) 1..4|micro|small|regular|huge|other
                Specify a minimum or maximum size. If min/max is not given,
show
                only geocaches with the given size.
        -d|--difficulty (min|max) 1.0..5.0
        -t|--terrain (min|max) 1.0..5.0
                Filter out geocaches by difficulty or terrain.
        -T|--type type,type,...
         type: virtual|regular|unknown|multi|event
                Only show geocaches of the given type(s)
        -o|--owner owner-search-string
        -n|--name name-search-string
        -i|--id id-search-string
                Search owner, name (title) or id of the geocaches.
        --new
                Caches which were downloaded in current session. Useful to
                get alerted when new caches arrive.
actions:
        --print 
                Default action, prints tab-separated list of geocaches
        --fetch-details
                Downloads Descriptions etc. for selected geocaches
        --export-html folder
                Dumps HTML pages to given folder
        --command command
                Runs command if more than one geocache has survived the
filtering.
                The placeholder %s is replaced by a shell-escaped list of
geocaches.

        Not implemented yet:
        --export-gpx folder
                Dumps geocaches into separate GPX files
        --export-single-gpx file
                Dumps selected geocaches into a single GPX file
        --draw-map zoom file
                Draws one big JPEG file with the positions of the selected
geocaches
        --draw-maps zoom folder [tiles]
                Draws a small JPEG image for every geocache. 
        
Preferred format for coordinates:
    'N49 44.111 E6 29.123'
    or
    'N49.123456 E6.043212'

Instead of a coordinate, you may also query geonames.com for a place name.
Just start the string with 'q:':
    q:London
    'q:Brisbane, Australia'

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From fett_mokokernel at fragcom.de  Tue Oct  6 15:16:18 2009
From: fett_mokokernel at fragcom.de (D. Fett)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 06:16:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Advanced Geocaching Tool for Linux - Version 0.4.0
In-Reply-To: <1254834908000-3774950.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1254834908000-3774950.post@n2.nabble.com>
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D. Fett wrote:
> 
> A new version is out and there are lots of new features:
> 

The 'send' button was too close to my mouse pointer, sorry! ;-)

The package is available here: http://www.opkg.org/package_268.html
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From tilman at baumann.name  Tue Oct  6 15:20:21 2009
From: tilman at baumann.name (Tilman Baumann)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:20:21 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Rod Whitby (MokoMakefile author) moves on to start WebOS 
	Internals
In-Reply-To: <885645D3-B5E5-4A96-A8A8-FF86212B4FA0@whitby.id.au>
References: <885645D3-B5E5-4A96-A8A8-FF86212B4FA0@whitby.id.au>
Message-ID: <c193397cd9a874ba38c5910b1f9c94f6.squirrel@gnukia.org>

Thank you anyway. Traitor! :)
And ROFL about the northern hemisphere chauvinism issue with your GPS. *g*
I hope that is not a omen...

See you back ;)

Rod Whitby wrote:
> http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/webos-internals/palm-pre-lands-in-australia.html
>
> It is with some sadness that I must say goodbye to the OpenMoko
> community, and move on to new things.
>


-- 
MFG
 Tilman Baumann



From vanous at penguin.cz  Tue Oct  6 16:12:19 2009
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:12:19 +0200
Subject: Advanced Geocaching Tool for Linux - Version 0.4.0
References: <1254834908000-3774950.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1254834978195-3774956.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <20091006161219.426ebe4d@vanek.robe.cz>

>The 'send' button was too close to my mouse pointer, sorry! ;-)
>
>The package is available here: http://www.opkg.org/package_268.html

it's working for me now (the previous version for some reason didn't
get any caches) i have to say i have neglected GC for some time now
also due to not being able to run of freerunner, so thank you!

Petr



From esteban.francisco at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 17:38:55 2009
From: esteban.francisco at gmail.com (Esteban Monge)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:38:55 -0600
Subject: [pkg-fso-maint] WiFi-Tool (or GPRS-Tool modified)
In-Reply-To: <20091006103924.GA6272@earth.universe>
References: <ef378ab30910051142h15bc80bct8d394383892122bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<ef378ab30910051309n5c9ff09au770250da626ddfbb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091005222924.1abb6489@vanek.robe.cz>
	<200910061009.27815@zigzag.lvk.cs.msu.su>
	<20091006103924.GA6272@earth.universe>
Message-ID: <ef378ab30910060838h4baf5e09u596d1e16fc87565b@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Al Johnson recommends use the next command:

mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage
org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy WiFi enabled

But send the next error:
ERROR:dbus.connection:Unable to set arguments ('WiFi',) according to
signature
u'ss': <type 'exceptions.TypeError'>: More items found in D-Bus signature
than in Python arguments

-- 
http://nuevaeracr.blogspot.com
Linux user number 478378
Linux machine number 386687
Tec. Esteban Monge Mar?n
Tel: (506) 8379-3562

?No habr? manera de desarrollarnos y salir de
la pobreza mientras los pocos negocios
grandes de nuestro medio se entreguen a las
econom?as for?neas y nosotros nos
quedemos con solo negocios de pobre,
mientras en vez de ser propietarios de nuestro
propio pa?s nos convirtamos en un ej?rcito de
empleados del exterior?
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From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Tue Oct  6 17:59:00 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:59:00 +0100
Subject: [pkg-fso-maint] WiFi-Tool (or GPRS-Tool modified)
In-Reply-To: <ef378ab30910060838h4baf5e09u596d1e16fc87565b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef378ab30910051142h15bc80bct8d394383892122bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091006103924.GA6272@earth.universe>
	<ef378ab30910060838h4baf5e09u596d1e16fc87565b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910061659.01392.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Tuesday 06 October 2009, Esteban Monge wrote:
> Hello Al Johnson recommends use the next command:
> 
> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage
> org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy WiFi enabled
> 
> But send the next error:
> ERROR:dbus.connection:Unable to set arguments ('WiFi',) according to
> signature
> u'ss': <type 'exceptions.TypeError'>: More items found in D-Bus signature
> than in Python arguments

The command listed above works for me. If I remove the 'enabled' argument I 
get the error you quote.

SetResourcePolicy takes two arguments. The first is the resource, in this case 
'WiFi'. The second is the policy you want to set, in this case 'enabled'. 


From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Tue Oct  6 18:04:39 2009
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:04:39 +0300
Subject: USB networking with Ubuntu 9.04
Message-ID: <3494db260910060904q2621024aqce10e28531f6e03f@mail.gmail.com>

followed as described in:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking

-------------
 Ubuntu 9.04 - the Jaunty Jackalope -- udev

One can see /etc/udev/rules.d that a device plugged in on USB will be called
*eth1*. Go to system->Administration->Network and add the parameters for
eth1 < static ip, address 192.168.0.200 mask 255.255.255.192 add your
default gateway>. Thats is all.

Tested with Qi bootloader aka official MAC address of the Freerunner : on
Android Koolu beta 7

Carig Philippines
--frank<http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=User:Frank&action=edit>14:11,
17 June 2009 (UTC)

----------

and eth1 gets assigned the proper IP address. I can connect to Neo but from
there I don't have any connection to the 'outside'. Please notice that
resolv.conf has the correct Opendns IPs!


Actually I should face the same problem as described in:

http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td3119750

but the postings there weren't of any help :(


Thanks


Tony
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From esteban.francisco at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 18:07:54 2009
From: esteban.francisco at gmail.com (Esteban Monge)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:07:54 -0600
Subject: [pkg-fso-maint] WiFi-Tool (or GPRS-Tool modified)
In-Reply-To: <200910061659.01392.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <ef378ab30910051142h15bc80bct8d394383892122bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091006103924.GA6272@earth.universe>
	<ef378ab30910060838h4baf5e09u596d1e16fc87565b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910061659.01392.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ef378ab30910060907u6e2685cepee86e0d0747fab33@mail.gmail.com>

I use Debian, maybe some parts of FSO are too old...

-- 
http://nuevaeracr.blogspot.com
Linux user number 478378
Linux machine number 386687
Tec. Esteban Monge Mar?n
Tel: (506) 8379-3562

?No habr? manera de desarrollarnos y salir de
la pobreza mientras los pocos negocios
grandes de nuestro medio se entreguen a las
econom?as for?neas y nosotros nos
quedemos con solo negocios de pobre,
mientras en vez de ser propietarios de nuestro
propio pa?s nos convirtamos en un ej?rcito de
empleados del exterior?
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From mikeumo at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 18:36:50 2009
From: mikeumo at gmail.com (Mikhail Umorin)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:36:50 -0500
Subject: [fso based] Simplified mixer app
In-Reply-To: <200910060143.38401.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<c4cd0cc80910020742y38d3e24ft8f6bc77d0ee73583@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910060143.38401.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200910061136.50660.mikeumo@gmail.com>

Thanks for the app, Al (see below)

On Monday 05 October 2009 19:43:37 Al Johnson wrote:
> On Friday 02 October 2009, Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
> >
> > <laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > But there is so many things what changed, that Im completely lost.
> >
> > Just wanted to notice you, that restoring the original
> > gsmhandset.state file (and rebooting)
> > does solve my problem. Im able to take call, and hear the other party.
> > (and he able to hear me).
> >
> > Although your program was nice. It changed the mic way better, what I
> > had. Other party
> > said, its much louder and clearer.
> >
> > Hope you can sort out, why the broken .state file is broken. And where
> > the bugs comes from ...
>
> Updated version now available:
> http://www.mazikeen.demon.co.uk/openmoko/fso-simplemixer.py
>

In "simple" view if I slide volume all the way to the right, it goes to 101 
(not 100) is that correct?


From jedi.theone at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 18:51:00 2009
From: jedi.theone at gmail.com (Jed)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:51:00 +1000
Subject: Universal Remote for CE/HA? (openmoko)
Message-ID: <4ACB7574.5060601@gmail.com>

>>> Psion 5, 5mx, Ericsson mc218. Slow cpu, limited memory, monochrome and old 
>>> kernel, but excellent battery life on a pair of AAs. Probably not the form 
>>> factor you're after though.
 >>
>> Interesting idea thanks, perhaps a tad too old though as you say.
>> I'd prefer a form-factor closer to a standard remote but with an LCD, 
>> ideally touch-screen but not imperative.
>>
>>> Neuros OSD - for a low power consumption ethernet to IR gateway
>>> and standard def media player. Again probably not what you're
>>> after.
 >>
>> Yeah really looking for hand-held device but thanks!
> 
> My own initial idea was, of course, to just find a handheld device
> with inbuilt IR functionality, but then not only did I see that there
> was the issue of finding something with `inbuilt IR' functionality at
> all, but that the meaning of "IR" actually varied (computing devices
> support IRDA; TVs and other such devices use different protocols, and
> it appeared that an IRDA device may not be able to support any of the
> non-IRDA protocols). Also, prior to the FreeRunner, I found it
> difficult to justify to myself the idea spending $500 or more on a
> more functionally-limited device like an iPaq or something that would
> probably just end up being a $500+ TV remote control.
> 
> But then I got an OSD and realised that it came with a IR dongle and
> that I could use it as a gateway, which made the problem easier.
> 
> One of the interesting things about the IR functionality of the OSD,
> though, is that it doesn't appear to be built-in to the OSD per
> se--the IR transmitter is a small device that just connects to the
> OSD's serial port.
> 
> I believe that there are universal `consumer electronics'-type IR
> transceivers (UIRT) currently on the market that function as USB
> devices, and some of them are even quite cheap--in the worst case,
> this might be a less-invasive option: to simply plug one of these into
> a FreeRunner's USB port.

Nah if I can't find something that has Consumer_IR integrated I'll just
persevere with my X50V. If it turns out to be too limited longer-term
for other reasons, then I'll just start excluding IR as a prerequisite
for any replacement.

I'll still have the IR bridge functionality built into my controller PC
& that's all that really matters in the end.

I haven't decided on the exact IR transceiver yet, but it'll be from one
of the these three vendors: Iguana, IRTrans, CommandIR. The others have
been ruled out.

I'm thinking the IR bridge functionality would be best built into my
pre-existing HTPC. Bridging for other protocols will prolly be done by a
2nd controller PC (the primary HA controller), which will be a VM on my
native VMM server.

Cheers,
Jed



From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Tue Oct  6 19:28:37 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:28:37 +0100
Subject: [fso based] Simplified mixer app
In-Reply-To: <200910061136.50660.mikeumo@gmail.com>
References: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<200910060143.38401.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<200910061136.50660.mikeumo@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910061828.37109.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Tuesday 06 October 2009, Mikhail Umorin wrote:
> Thanks for the app, Al (see below)
> 
> On Monday 05 October 2009 19:43:37 Al Johnson wrote:
> > On Friday 02 October 2009, Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
> > >
> > > <laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > But there is so many things what changed, that Im completely lost.
> > >
> > > Just wanted to notice you, that restoring the original
> > > gsmhandset.state file (and rebooting)
> > > does solve my problem. Im able to take call, and hear the other party.
> > > (and he able to hear me).
> > >
> > > Although your program was nice. It changed the mic way better, what I
> > > had. Other party
> > > said, its much louder and clearer.
> > >
> > > Hope you can sort out, why the broken .state file is broken. And where
> > > the bugs comes from ...
> >
> > Updated version now available:
> > http://www.mazikeen.demon.co.uk/openmoko/fso-simplemixer.py
> 
> In "simple" view if I slide volume all the way to the right, it goes to 101
> (not 100) is that correct?

That depends which slider it is ;-)

It is correct. I map the alsa channels to a single slider giving equal 
increments covering the full range possible from those channels. For the 
outputs this is usually gives steps 0 to 101 while for the mic it is usually 0 
to 119. If you uncomment self.gta02mixer.PrintGains() and start it from the 
cli it will show you the gain setting in dB for each step in the debug output. 
Unfortunately pyalsaaudio only accepts integer percentages when setting 
volume, so there are rounding errors when actually setting the volumes. 


From stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk  Tue Oct  6 20:05:00 2009
From: stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk (Stroller)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:05:00 +0100
Subject: Internal pressure sensor
In-Reply-To: <20091006011834.GB21196@almesberger.net>
References: <200909302318.52186.ml@chonyota.net>
	<d3e504410909301453o39ca109as62578190a46b8eaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f7c60c40909301504m38f4987aq1c81fc5f85262f23@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091004130236.GV8873@vip.cybercity.dk>
	<E8ABF945-BF57-42DB-8916-A8B6C79DA3C1@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
	<6f7c60c40910040814l77acec08r19ea591469c0f7af@mail.gmail.com>
	<A5830E4F-15E3-465A-A0B2-1E96E15113A3@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
	<20091006011834.GB21196@almesberger.net>
Message-ID: <667C8C5E-2718-4E9B-8ACA-1B40541BE73C@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>


On 6 Oct 2009, at 02:18, Werner Almesberger wrote:
> Stroller wrote:
>> This barometer is self-contained and connected to the i2c bus, a
>> _relatively_ simple addition. If there is demand for the barometer -
>> although I'm inclined to agree with Rask that there wouldn't be -  
>> then
>> it might it be justified to add it were Brazil ever to go into
>> Freerunner production.
>
> Here's where Open Design Hardware changes the scenario: if you have an
> (open) base product, you can design, produce, and deploy small changes
> for a special interest group at a comparably low price - a bit higher
> than if the change was part of the mass-produced design, but
> considerably lower than any traditional alternatives.
>
>> software installed. The software would have to be closed-source,
> [... more horror material ...]
>
> Why bother ? Even if we assume for a moment that you can't make money
> selling unencumbered software, you'd have the enhanced hardware
> already as a kind of dongle. Also, since this would be a highly
> specialized niche product, I would expect customer loyalty to be high.



Honestly? To add the barometer appears a very easy task. It involves  
soldering two wires, right?

If you were to start a business based on this, you might charge $100  
markup to make the modification but also to cover the cost of the full- 
time job writing and supporting the software. I think more might even  
be reasonable, or you might have tiered packages depending upon  
software features.

The Freerunner is readily available mail order - if a student in your  
local town were to offer to upgrade the hardware for $20, sorry, I  
think the business would be completely undermined. And there are Linux- 
competent students in every town - the "dongle", as you call it, is  
too easily manufactured by anyone. I love & believe in Free software,  
but I just don't know that it's realistic to expect to make money out  
of it that way. Were I ever - as a sole-trader presently - to write  
commercial code, I would probably GPL it in my will.

Rau1 remarks on the readability of the screen - he surely is far more  
familiar with the current state of the sport than I am, since I have  
not flown in 5 years. In this case it might be better to base a design  
on a custom Gumstix-based board and a black-and-white screen, so the  
discussion becomes entirely moot.

Stroller.



From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 20:36:10 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:36:10 +0200
Subject: Paroli Theme/UI proposals
In-Reply-To: <96dfad1e0910040850s70d8f95ew17e4254dfaf5e4b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <96dfad1e0910040850s70d8f95ew17e4254dfaf5e4b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc80910061136h15eb386fyf3bdd08cc2156801@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Jon Kristian Nilsen
<jokr.nilsen at gmail.com> wrote:
> For instance font-sizes should imho be adjustable by the app, not
> locked to a theme.

I do believe, it is also beneficial to adjust the overall look to it.
My view is pretty
much summerized in jimmac's blogpost:
http://jimmac.musichall.cz/log/?p=31

Although its not an icon, but the analogy its quite perfect.

Best regards,
 Laszlo


From david at tuxbrain.com  Tue Oct  6 20:55:13 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:55:13 +0200
Subject: Rod Whitby (MokoMakefile author) moves on to start WebOS 
	Internals
In-Reply-To: <885645D3-B5E5-4A96-A8A8-FF86212B4FA0@whitby.id.au>
References: <885645D3-B5E5-4A96-A8A8-FF86212B4FA0@whitby.id.au>
Message-ID: <5c6ceea80910061155q189754f5ief93cd8c97e84999@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/6 Rod Whitby <rod at whitby.id.au>:
> http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/webos-internals/palm-pre-lands-in-australia.html
>
> It is with some sadness that I must say goodbye to the OpenMoko
> community, and move on to new things.
>
> My dream of an OpenMoko phone with a hardware keyboard to replace my
> aging Treo 650 was never realised, and you all know the rest of the
> story on the software side of things.
>
> I've now started a new community (webos-internals.org) which does open
> source Linux-based development for the Palm Pre.
>
> My hope is that freesmartphone.org may one day be the bridge between
> the OpenMoko community I am now leaving, and the WebOS Internals
> community which has recently started.
>
> I wish everyone continuing down the OpenMoko path the best of success
> in the future.
>
> -- Rod
Hi Rod, thanks for your all your work on lower the barrier of OE hell
for a newbee like me,
and thanks for your private lessons about GPL licencing and nettiquete
I have learned a lot thanks to you,
I will follow your work whit the Pre close, I like to see little
devices with a free hackable penguin inside :)

David Reyes Samblas Martinez
http://www.tuxbrain.com
Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From frederik.sdun at googlemail.com  Tue Oct  6 21:00:45 2009
From: frederik.sdun at googlemail.com (Frederik Sdun)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:00:45 +0200
Subject: USB networking with Ubuntu 9.04
In-Reply-To: <3494db260910060904q2621024aqce10e28531f6e03f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db260910060904q2621024aqce10e28531f6e03f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091006190045.GG26619@playya-laptop>

* Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com> [06.10.2009 18:06]:
>    followed as described in:
> 
>    http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking
> 
>    -------------
> 
>   Ubuntu 9.04 - the Jaunty Jackalope -- udev
> 
>    One can see /etc/udev/rules.d that a device plugged in on USB will be
>    called eth1. Go to system->Administration->Network and add the parameters
>    for eth1 < static ip, address 192.168.0.200 mask 255.255.255.192 add your
>    default gateway>. Thats is all.
> 
>    Tested with Qi bootloader aka official MAC address of the Freerunner : on
>    Android Koolu beta 7
> 
>    Carig Philippines --frank 14:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
> 
>    ----------
> 
>    and eth1 gets assigned the proper IP address. I can connect to Neo but
>    from there I don't have any connection to the 'outside'. Please notice
>    that resolv.conf has the correct Opendns IPs!
> 
>    Actually I should face the same problem as described in:
> 
>    http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td3119750
> 
>    but the postings there weren't of any help :(
> 
>    Thanks
> 
>    Tony
I used the config you can find in [0] and it works.


[0] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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From hns at goldelico.com  Tue Oct  6 21:01:28 2009
From: hns at goldelico.com (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:01:28 +0200
Subject: Bug in Handheld-Linux webshop solved
Message-ID: <48885F3D-BAB3-4FF6-BE33-597BA065515A@goldelico.com>

Hi all,
if you have tried to use our Openmoko webshop in the last days with  
FireFox / IceWeasel / SeaMonkey, you may have experienced that the  
shopping cart was automatically deleted when trying to checkout. This  
effect did not happen with using e.g. Safari.

We have now found why, and that may be interesting for PHP script  
writers...

The reason was that a recent upgrade of libphp5.so and /usr/bin/php  
made the function date("d M Y") no longer display the current year but  
"0000". For scripts using this PHP function this would just look  
strange, but the main issue was that the expiration date of cookies  
sent to your browser is obviously derived from the same library  
function. So our shopping cart cookie was tagged with an expiration  
date "06-Oct-0000". Now it looks as if Safari simply ignores the  
expiration date (but stores the cookie) while FireFox discards the  
whole cookie - and the shopping cart contents were lost. Therefore, we  
hat different browser behaviour.

Now we have fixed this and everything is well again.

And thanks to one of our community members from Italy for pointing out  
to use IceWeasel (while we usually do tests with a Mac and Safari).

Nikolaus



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From undrwater at verizon.net  Mon Oct  5 20:12:34 2009
From: undrwater at verizon.net (Russell Dwiggins)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:12:34 -0700
Subject: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
In-Reply-To: <10057E19-F734-4B35-9334-911A6DC8FE45@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
References: <6470815AC8514F37BD681EEA8894885F@felix>
	<d3e504410910022320t7ad65f01se1a4bd88de1a261d@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170910030440x7ab2471fp117ded6ff17ffbc0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091003144430.0ae452ae@vanek.robe.cz>	<4AC74948.5060708@gmail.com>
	<20091003154550.1da0b095@vanek.robe.cz>
	<c30e08170910030655s27e35679ydfe78ed178e52017@mail.gmail.com>
	<873a60qrpn.fsf@slice.rozzin.com>
	<10057E19-F734-4B35-9334-911A6DC8FE45@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
Message-ID: <EE80B060080A47A9879D96A4D3589F62@felix>

|On 3 Oct 2009, at 19:04, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote:
|> Sebastian Krzyszkowiak <seba.dos1 at gmail.com> writes:
|>> ...
|>> But I already told you - you don't have to restart whole E. Just
|>> enter
|>> to keyboard menu in illume wrench, select none, and then default (it
|>> will restart illume keyboard). And it'll work just nicely.
|>
|> I don't even need to do *that*: I've always just tapped the `qwerty'
|> box (in the top-right corner, in the default theme), and the keyboard
|> pops up perfectly fine even in landscape mode. I don't understand what
|> you guys are talking about--should that not be working for me?
|
|On my Freerunner - running SHR-unstable - the qwuerty is not visible
|in the top-right corner by default. You have to press the wrench to
|"pull out" the top tray. Then the qwerty is visible and pressing it
|operates the keyboard. I believe this is what Sebastian is explaining.
|
|Stroller.
|

I don't think so.  

Many of us have the problem where the keyboard does not show completely in
landscape mode.  My understanding of the work-around is to select "none"
then "illume" in the illume wrench settings.  I've tried this and it works,
but you have to do it again when you switch back to portrait since the
keyboard doesn't resize.

I'll use this as a workaround, but I'm hoping the updated version will fix
the issue.  Sebastian, Is that slated to be added to SHR soon?

Thanks, 
Russell Dwiggins



From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Tue Oct  6 21:40:30 2009
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:40:30 +0300
Subject: USB networking with Ubuntu 9.04
In-Reply-To: <20091006190045.GG26619@playya-laptop>
References: <3494db260910060904q2621024aqce10e28531f6e03f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091006190045.GG26619@playya-laptop>
Message-ID: <3494db260910061240g171a11b3r5bd670741d6c3113@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Frederik Sdun <frederik.sdun at googlemail.com
> wrote:

> * Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com> [06.10.2009 18:06]:
> >    followed as described in:
> >
> >    http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking
> >
> >    -------------
> >
> >   Ubuntu 9.04 - the Jaunty Jackalope -- udev
> >
> >    One can see /etc/udev/rules.d that a device plugged in on USB will be
> >    called eth1. Go to system->Administration->Network and add the
> parameters
> >    for eth1 < static ip, address 192.168.0.200 mask 255.255.255.192 add
> your
> >    default gateway>. Thats is all.
> >
> >    Tested with Qi bootloader aka official MAC address of the Freerunner :
> on
> >    Android Koolu beta 7
> >
> >    Carig Philippines --frank 14:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
> >
> >    ----------
> >
> >    and eth1 gets assigned the proper IP address. I can connect to Neo but
> >    from there I don't have any connection to the 'outside'. Please notice
> >    that resolv.conf has the correct Opendns IPs!
> >
> >    Actually I should face the same problem as described in:
> >
> >    http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td3119750
> >
> >    but the postings there weren't of any help :(
> >
> >    Thanks
> >
> >    Tony
> I used the config you can find in [0] and it works.
>
>
> [0]
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
but this one 'ties' it in usb0 although it connects as eth1! How can this
work?

I also used the following entries in /etc/network/interfaces:

#freerunner3
allow-hotplug eth1
iface eth1 inet static
address 192.168.0.200
netmask 255.255.255.0
network 192.168.0.0
up iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 &
up echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward &
up iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT &
down iptables -D POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 &

and didn't work! Openmoko wasn't able to get an IP address at all!

Thanks

Tony
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From matthias.huber at wollishausen.de  Tue Oct  6 21:54:49 2009
From: matthias.huber at wollishausen.de (Matthias Huber)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:54:49 +0200
Subject: USB networking with Ubuntu 9.04
In-Reply-To: <3494db260910061240g171a11b3r5bd670741d6c3113@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db260910060904q2621024aqce10e28531f6e03f@mail.gmail.com>	<20091006190045.GG26619@playya-laptop>
	<3494db260910061240g171a11b3r5bd670741d6c3113@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACBA089.8060605@wollishausen.de>

Tony Berth schrieb:
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Frederik Sdun 
> <frederik.sdun at googlemail.com <mailto:frederik.sdun at googlemail.com>> 
> wrote:
>
>     * Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com
>     <mailto:tonyberth at googlemail.com>> [06.10.2009 18:06]:
>     >    followed as described in:
>     >
>     >    http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking
>     >
>     >    -------------
>     >
>     >   Ubuntu 9.04 - the Jaunty Jackalope -- udev
>     >
>     >    One can see /etc/udev/rules.d that a device plugged in on USB
>     will be
>     >    called eth1. Go to system->Administration->Network and add
>     the parameters
>     >    for eth1 < static ip, address 192.168.0.200 mask
>     255.255.255.192 add your
>     >    default gateway>. Thats is all.
>     >
>     >    Tested with Qi bootloader aka official MAC address of the
>     Freerunner : on
>     >    Android Koolu beta 7
>     >
>     >    Carig Philippines --frank 14:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
>     >
>     >    ----------
>     >
>     >    and eth1 gets assigned the proper IP address. I can connect
>     to Neo but
>     >    from there I don't have any connection to the 'outside'.
>     Please notice
>     >    that resolv.conf has the correct Opendns IPs!
>     >
>     >    Actually I should face the same problem as described in:
>     >
>     >    http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td3119750
>     >
>     >    but the postings there weren't of any help :(
>     >
>     >    Thanks
>     >
>     >    Tony
>     I used the config you can find in [0] and it works.
>
>
>     [0]
>     http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others
>     > _______________________________________________
>
>
> but this one 'ties' it in usb0 although it connects as eth1! How can 
> this work?
>
> I also used the following entries in /etc/network/interfaces:
>
> #freerunner3
> allow-hotplug eth1
> iface eth1 inet static
> address 192.168.0.200
> netmask 255.255.255.0
> network 192.168.0.0
> up iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 
> <http://192.168.0.0/24> &
> up echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward &
> up iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT &
> down iptables -D POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 
> <http://192.168.0.0/24> &
>
> and didn't work! Openmoko wasn't able to get an IP address at all!
get ip adress ? dont understand this.

but i had to add this two lines to my /etc/ufw/ufw.conf

ufw allow from 192.168.0.202
ufw allow to 192.168.0.202


another trial with iptables needs to load some modules too:

#!/bin/sh

MOKO=192.168.0.202

echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
modprobe ipt_MASQUERADE

iptables -I FORWARD -j ACCEPT -d ${MOKO}/32
iptables -I FORWARD -j ACCEPT -s ${MOKO}/32
iptables -I POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s ${MOKO}/32


-- 
Mit freundlichen Gr?ssen
Matthias Huber 
Kohlstattstr. 14
86459 Wollishausen
Tel: 08238-7998
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From elektranox at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 21:58:26 2009
From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:58:26 +0200
Subject: [pkg-fso-maint] WiFi-Tool (or GPRS-Tool modified)
In-Reply-To: <ef378ab30910060907u6e2685cepee86e0d0747fab33@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef378ab30910051142h15bc80bct8d394383892122bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091006103924.GA6272@earth.universe>
	<ef378ab30910060838h4baf5e09u596d1e16fc87565b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910061659.01392.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<ef378ab30910060907u6e2685cepee86e0d0747fab33@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091006195825.GA6802@earth.universe>

On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 10:07:54AM -0600, Esteban Monge wrote:
> I use Debian, maybe some parts of FSO are too old...

probably not, we have a very recent git version, there are just some
opimd changes between our release and current git ;)

But I didn't update the configuration for the new framework yet, so
opimd is not yet enabled.

-- Sebastian
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From sudharsh at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 22:04:32 2009
From: sudharsh at gmail.com (Sudharshan S)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 01:34:32 +0530
Subject: Rod Whitby (MokoMakefile author) moves on to start WebOS 
	Internals
In-Reply-To: <885645D3-B5E5-4A96-A8A8-FF86212B4FA0@whitby.id.au>
References: <885645D3-B5E5-4A96-A8A8-FF86212B4FA0@whitby.id.au>
Message-ID: <3f97c09d0910061304w1dc9e0a5n7ce1b4c469d526f3@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Rod Whitby <rod at whitby.id.au> wrote:
> http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/webos-internals/palm-pre-lands-in-australia.html
>
> It is with some sadness that I must say goodbye to the OpenMoko community,
> and move on to new things.
>

So long and thanks for all the fish.. MokoMakefile was a neat script. :)

Regards
Sudharshan S
Blog : http://sudharsh.wordpress.com
IRC  : Sup3rkiddo @ Freenode, Gimpnet


From esteban.francisco at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 23:07:09 2009
From: esteban.francisco at gmail.com (Esteban Monge)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:07:09 -0600
Subject: [pkg-fso-maint] WiFi-Tool (or GPRS-Tool modified)
In-Reply-To: <20091006195825.GA6802@earth.universe>
References: <ef378ab30910051142h15bc80bct8d394383892122bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091006103924.GA6272@earth.universe>
	<ef378ab30910060838h4baf5e09u596d1e16fc87565b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910061659.01392.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<ef378ab30910060907u6e2685cepee86e0d0747fab33@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091006195825.GA6802@earth.universe>
Message-ID: <ef378ab30910061407hf5ac717i6de0b2d249709e24@mail.gmail.com>

I updated manually only frameworkd with
fso-frameworkd_0.9.5.9+git20090920-1_all.deb<http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/fso-frameworkd/fso-frameworkd_0.9.5.9+git20090920-1_all.deb>package,
the rest is only updated with apt-get.

Is valid a Auto button in the script?
-- 
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quedemos con solo negocios de pobre,
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From stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk  Wed Oct  7 00:04:56 2009
From: stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk (Stroller)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 23:04:56 +0100
Subject: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
In-Reply-To: <EE80B060080A47A9879D96A4D3589F62@felix>
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	<d3e504410910022320t7ad65f01se1a4bd88de1a261d@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170910030440x7ab2471fp117ded6ff17ffbc0@mail.gmail.com>
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	<20091003154550.1da0b095@vanek.robe.cz>
	<c30e08170910030655s27e35679ydfe78ed178e52017@mail.gmail.com>
	<873a60qrpn.fsf@slice.rozzin.com>
	<10057E19-F734-4B35-9334-911A6DC8FE45@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
	<EE80B060080A47A9879D96A4D3589F62@felix>
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On 5 Oct 2009, at 19:12, Russell Dwiggins wrote:

> |On 3 Oct 2009, at 19:04, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote:
> |> Sebastian Krzyszkowiak <seba.dos1 at gmail.com> writes:
> |>> ...
> |>> But I already told you - you don't have to restart whole E. Just
> |>> enter
> |>> to keyboard menu in illume wrench, select none, and then default  
> (it
> |>> will restart illume keyboard). And it'll work just nicely.
> |>
> |> I don't even need to do *that*: I've always just tapped the  
> `qwerty'
> |> box (in the top-right corner, in the default theme), and the  
> keyboard
> |> pops up perfectly fine even in landscape mode. I don't understand  
> what
> |> you guys are talking about--should that not be working for me?
> |
> |On my Freerunner - running SHR-unstable - the qwuerty is not visible
> |in the top-right corner by default. You have to press the wrench to
> |"pull out" the top tray. Then the qwerty is visible and pressing it
> |operates the keyboard. I believe this is what Sebastian is  
> explaining.
> |
> |Stroller.
> |
>
> I don't think so.
>
> Many of us have the problem where the keyboard does not show  
> completely in
> landscape mode.  My understanding of the work-around is to select  
> "none"
> then "illume" in the illume wrench settings.  I've tried this and it  
> works,
> but you have to do it again when you switch back to portrait since the
> keyboard doesn't resize.


Sorry, I read ALL these explanations as saying exactly the same thing,  
just in different ways. Perhaps you could clarify how they differ?

Stroller.



From mikeumo at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 01:02:29 2009
From: mikeumo at gmail.com (Mikhail Umorin)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:02:29 -0500
Subject: [fso based] Simplified mixer app
In-Reply-To: <200910061828.37109.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<200910061136.50660.mikeumo@gmail.com>
	<200910061828.37109.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200910061802.29464.mikeumo@gmail.com>

On Tuesday 06 October 2009 12:28:37 Al Johnson wrote:
> On Tuesday 06 October 2009, Mikhail Umorin wrote:
> > Thanks for the app, Al (see below)
> >
> > On Monday 05 October 2009 19:43:37 Al Johnson wrote:
> > > On Friday 02 October 2009, Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
> > > >
> > > > <laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > But there is so many things what changed, that Im completely lost.
> > > >
> > > > Just wanted to notice you, that restoring the original
> > > > gsmhandset.state file (and rebooting)
> > > > does solve my problem. Im able to take call, and hear the other
> > > > party. (and he able to hear me).
> > > >
> > > > Although your program was nice. It changed the mic way better, what I
> > > > had. Other party
> > > > said, its much louder and clearer.
> > > >
> > > > Hope you can sort out, why the broken .state file is broken. And
> > > > where the bugs comes from ...
> > >
> > > Updated version now available:
> > > http://www.mazikeen.demon.co.uk/openmoko/fso-simplemixer.py
> >
> > In "simple" view if I slide volume all the way to the right, it goes to
> > 101 (not 100) is that correct?
>
> That depends which slider it is ;-)
>
> It is correct. I map the alsa channels to a single slider giving equal
> increments covering the full range possible from those channels. For the
> outputs this is usually gives steps 0 to 101 while for the mic it is
> usually 0 to 119. If you uncomment self.gta02mixer.PrintGains() and start
> it from the cli it will show you the gain setting in dB for each step in
> the debug output. Unfortunately pyalsaaudio only accepts integer
> percentages when setting volume, so there are rounding errors when actually
> setting the volumes.
>

I was talking about Stereo Out for Speaker (when not in call). Sorry to be 
unclear. So, how does the "simple" slider correspond to Bypass and Headphone 
in the advanced view? Or are those things all different controls? Moving the 
"simple" speaker slider seem to change Bypass and Headphone, but at different 
rates for different ranges of the "simple" slider.  When I max out the simple 
slider (to 101), bypass and headphone are at 100, but at lower simple slider 
settings they change very non-linear.

This was probably discussed numerous times. But your visual  application makes 
the channels easier to control and I finally feel that I have a chance to get 
the volume I want during calls. It's all so confusing.... What's a good place 
to learn the relations between all the channels/controls/bugs that make sound?





From undrwater at verizon.net  Wed Oct  7 01:26:22 2009
From: undrwater at verizon.net (undrwater)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:26:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
In-Reply-To: <FBAF9BAF-E7D9-4AC1-9CD1-394114774323@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
References: <d3e504410910022320t7ad65f01se1a4bd88de1a261d@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170910030440x7ab2471fp117ded6ff17ffbc0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091003144430.0ae452ae@vanek.robe.cz>
	<4AC74948.5060708@gmail.com>
	<20091003154550.1da0b095@vanek.robe.cz>
	<c30e08170910030655s27e35679ydfe78ed178e52017@mail.gmail.com>
	<873a60qrpn.fsf@slice.rozzin.com>
	<10057E19-F734-4B35-9334-911A6DC8FE45@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
	<EE80B060080A47A9879D96A4D3589F62@felix>
	<FBAF9BAF-E7D9-4AC1-9CD1-394114774323@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1254871582451-3778755.post@n2.nabble.com>




Stroller-2 wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sorry, I read ALL these explanations as saying exactly the same thing,  
> just in different ways. Perhaps you could clarify how they differ?
> 
> Stroller.
> 
> 
Hm.  I read:
Problem 1: illume keyboard in landscape mode does not show (the keyboard
itself doesn't show, only the prediction window and keyboard selector)

Problem 2: qwerty button is hidden in shelf gadget and requires 2 taps to
bring it up

I posted problem 1, I think you understood problem 2.  Am I right?

Russell Dwiggins
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From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Wed Oct  7 02:01:27 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 01:01:27 +0100
Subject: [fso based] Simplified mixer app
In-Reply-To: <200910061802.29464.mikeumo@gmail.com>
References: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<200910061828.37109.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<200910061802.29464.mikeumo@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910070101.28124.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Wednesday 07 October 2009, Mikhail Umorin wrote:
> On Tuesday 06 October 2009 12:28:37 Al Johnson wrote:
> > On Tuesday 06 October 2009, Mikhail Umorin wrote:
> > > Thanks for the app, Al (see below)
> > >
> > > On Monday 05 October 2009 19:43:37 Al Johnson wrote:
> > > > On Friday 02 October 2009, Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
> > > > >
> > > > > <laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > But there is so many things what changed, that Im completely
> > > > > > lost.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just wanted to notice you, that restoring the original
> > > > > gsmhandset.state file (and rebooting)
> > > > > does solve my problem. Im able to take call, and hear the other
> > > > > party. (and he able to hear me).
> > > > >
> > > > > Although your program was nice. It changed the mic way better, what
> > > > > I had. Other party
> > > > > said, its much louder and clearer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope you can sort out, why the broken .state file is broken. And
> > > > > where the bugs comes from ...
> > > >
> > > > Updated version now available:
> > > > http://www.mazikeen.demon.co.uk/openmoko/fso-simplemixer.py
> > >
> > > In "simple" view if I slide volume all the way to the right, it goes to
> > > 101 (not 100) is that correct?
> >
> > That depends which slider it is ;-)
> >
> > It is correct. I map the alsa channels to a single slider giving equal
> > increments covering the full range possible from those channels. For the
> > outputs this is usually gives steps 0 to 101 while for the mic it is
> > usually 0 to 119. If you uncomment self.gta02mixer.PrintGains() and start
> > it from the cli it will show you the gain setting in dB for each step in
> > the debug output. Unfortunately pyalsaaudio only accepts integer
> > percentages when setting volume, so there are rounding errors when
> > actually setting the volumes.
> 
> I was talking about Stereo Out for Speaker (when not in call). Sorry to be
> unclear. So, how does the "simple" slider correspond to Bypass and
>  Headphone in the advanced view? Or are those things all different
>  controls? Moving the "simple" speaker slider seem to change Bypass and
>  Headphone, but at different rates for different ranges of the "simple"
>  slider.  When I max out the simple slider (to 101), bypass and headphone
>  are at 100, but at lower simple slider settings they change very
>  non-linear.

The 'simple' slider controls all the sliders in that group in the 'advanced' 
view to give smooth control of the overall volume. In this case that's Bypass 
and Headphone. The changes in individual controls may look nonlinear, but 
their combination produces even steps while avoiding combinations likely to 
cause distortion. That's the idea anyway. You can see the combinations in the 
lookup tables in the top 3/4 of the script if you're interested.

> This was probably discussed numerous times. But your visual  application
>  makes the channels easier to control and I finally feel that I have a
>  chance to get the volume I want during calls.

Great! That was the intention.

>  It's all so confusing....

So people tell me ;-) Compared to most instrumentation systems it's a breeze!

>  What's a good place to learn the relations between all the
>  channels/controls/bugs that make sound?

Start with the wiki. The Neo1973 page has an annotated block diagram that's 
actually for the Freerunner. Both pages give some info on which volume 
settings affect what in different alsa states. With the information there, and 
by looking at the alsa state files, you will be able to see how the switch 
settings route audio signals through the mixer chip. You can then refer to the 
Wolfson datasheet.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem


From stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk  Wed Oct  7 02:46:49 2009
From: stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk (Stroller)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 01:46:49 +0100
Subject: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
In-Reply-To: <1254871582451-3778755.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <d3e504410910022320t7ad65f01se1a4bd88de1a261d@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170910030440x7ab2471fp117ded6ff17ffbc0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091003144430.0ae452ae@vanek.robe.cz>
	<4AC74948.5060708@gmail.com>
	<20091003154550.1da0b095@vanek.robe.cz>
	<c30e08170910030655s27e35679ydfe78ed178e52017@mail.gmail.com>
	<873a60qrpn.fsf@slice.rozzin.com>
	<10057E19-F734-4B35-9334-911A6DC8FE45@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
	<EE80B060080A47A9879D96A4D3589F62@felix>
	<FBAF9BAF-E7D9-4AC1-9CD1-394114774323@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
	<1254871582451-3778755.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1E97013D-5DEB-4BD2-814A-22A913C23BD8@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>


On 7 Oct 2009, at 00:26, undrwater wrote:
>> ...
>> Sorry, I read ALL these explanations as saying exactly the same  
>> thing,
>> just in different ways. Perhaps you could clarify how they differ?
>>
>
> Hm.  I read:
> Problem 1: illume keyboard in landscape mode does not show (the  
> keyboard
> itself doesn't show, only the prediction window and keyboard selector)
>
> Problem 2: qwerty button is hidden in shelf gadget and requires 2  
> taps to
> bring it up
>
> I posted problem 1, I think you understood problem 2.  Am I right?

Item 2 (I find that a problem, too) is discussed in this thread  
because it's necessary to go through this procedure to overcome  
problem 1.

In this thread this pair of actions was originally described by  
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak in his post of 3 October 2009 14:55:51 BST.

Joshua Judson Rosen's post of 3 October 2009 19:04:36 BST ("I don't  
understand what you guys are talking about") may indicate that he  
doesn't suffer from problem 2.

Stroller.



From rozzin at geekspace.com  Wed Oct  7 04:34:59 2009
From: rozzin at geekspace.com (Joshua Judson Rosen)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:34:59 -0400
Subject: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
References: <d3e504410910022320t7ad65f01se1a4bd88de1a261d@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170910030440x7ab2471fp117ded6ff17ffbc0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091003144430.0ae452ae@vanek.robe.cz>
	<4AC74948.5060708@gmail.com>
	<20091003154550.1da0b095@vanek.robe.cz>
	<c30e08170910030655s27e35679ydfe78ed178e52017@mail.gmail.com>
	<873a60qrpn.fsf@slice.rozzin.com>
	<10057E19-F734-4B35-9334-911A6DC8FE45@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
	<EE80B060080A47A9879D96A4D3589F62@felix>
	<FBAF9BAF-E7D9-4AC1-9CD1-394114774323@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
	<1254871582451-3778755.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1E97013D-5DEB-4BD2-814A-22A913C23BD8@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
Message-ID: <87ws38ext8.fsf@slice.rozzin.com>

Stroller <stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk> writes:
>
> On 7 Oct 2009, at 00:26, undrwater wrote:
> >> ...
> >> Sorry, I read ALL these explanations as saying exactly the same  
> >> thing,
> >> just in different ways. Perhaps you could clarify how they differ?
> >>
> >
> > Hm.  I read:
> > Problem 1: illume keyboard in landscape mode does not show (the  
> > keyboard
> > itself doesn't show, only the prediction window and keyboard selector)
> >
> > Problem 2: qwerty button is hidden in shelf gadget and requires 2  
> > taps to
> > bring it up
> >
> > I posted problem 1, I think you understood problem 2.  Am I right?
> 
> Item 2 (I find that a problem, too) is discussed in this thread  
> because it's necessary to go through this procedure to overcome  
> problem 1.
> 
> In this thread this pair of actions was originally described by  
> Sebastian Krzyszkowiak in his post of 3 October 2009 14:55:51 BST.
> 
> Joshua Judson Rosen's post of 3 October 2009 19:04:36 BST ("I don't  
> understand what you guys are talking about") may indicate that he  
> doesn't suffer from problem 2.

This is my experience:

    If the screen is already in landscape mode when the keyboard pops
    up, then the keyboaprd appears perfectly fine.

    Only if the keyboard is already shown prior to rotating the
    display, then it doesn't show properly when the display arrives in
    landscape mode.

    In this second case, the only steps required to fix the keyboard
    is to hide and then show it by:

        0] Lowering the shelf and tapping "qwerty"
           (to hide the keyboard).
        1] Lowering the shelf and tapping "qwerty" again
           (to re-show the keyboard).

    This does /not/ involve the `wrench', or changing any
    settings. The word "none" is not involved, nor is the word "default".

    And, again: if the screen is rotated into landscape mode prior to
    the keyboard becoming visible, this procedure is not even
    necessary as the keyboard `just works'.


Contrariwise, situation that I read Sebastian, Petr, et al. describing is:

    The keyboard does not appear properly in landscape mode,
    regardless of whether the display is rotated before or after the
    keyboard appears. If the screen is already in landscape mode when
    the keyboard pops up, the keyboard does *not* appear correctly.

    To make the keyboard appear properly in landscape mode, *this*
    following procedure must be repeated each time the screen is
    rotated:

        0] Lower the shelf and tap the `wrench' icon.
        2] Select "Keyboard" in the menu that appears.
        3] Select the "None" radiobutton in the screen that appears.
        4] Select the "Default" radiobutton (in the same screen,
           which remains until the "Close" button is pressed).

    [And, since I haven't actually seen /this/ scenario myself,
     I'm assuming that the following step is also needed:]

        5] If the keyboard is not showing now, lower the shelf
           and tap "qwerty" to show it.


The two situations (and procedures) look *remarkably* different to me.

If this is unclear, I can probably post a video demonstrating my
experience....

-- 
Don't be afraid to ask (Lf.((Lx.xx) (Lr.f(rr)))).



From cristianpark at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 05:23:58 2009
From: cristianpark at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Cristian_G=F3mez?=)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:23:58 -0500
Subject: USB networking with Ubuntu 9.04
In-Reply-To: <4ACBA089.8060605@wollishausen.de>
References: <3494db260910060904q2621024aqce10e28531f6e03f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20091006190045.GG26619@playya-laptop>
	<3494db260910061240g171a11b3r5bd670741d6c3113@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4ACBA089.8060605@wollishausen.de>
Message-ID: <d5a948d60910062023p61d5d99fofe1d460b7eb1febc@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, What I do to connect the FreeRunner to the PC is running this script [1]
that I've made with the things listed on the wiki. To run it just type sudo
sh usb_networking.sh.

I used it on Arch Linux and Ubuntu and I think it works on every distro as
well. Any changes, suggestions are welcome. Currently it's on spanish.

Note: The script is configured for SHR so it uses the eth1 interface not the
usb0

[1] http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zm0gtz2tyjq

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* Don't Worry.......Be Linux!!!!
* Cristian G?mez Alvarez
* Ingeniero en Sistemas y Computaci?n
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* Mi Blog: http://cristianpark.sehablalinux.com/
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2009/10/6 Matthias Huber <matthias.huber at wollishausen.de>

>  Tony Berth schrieb:
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Frederik Sdun <
> frederik.sdun at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> * Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com> [06.10.2009 18:06]:
>>  >    followed as described in:
>> >
>> >    http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking
>> >
>> >    -------------
>> >
>> >   Ubuntu 9.04 - the Jaunty Jackalope -- udev
>> >
>> >    One can see /etc/udev/rules.d that a device plugged in on USB will be
>> >    called eth1. Go to system->Administration->Network and add the
>> parameters
>> >    for eth1 < static ip, address 192.168.0.200 mask 255.255.255.192 add
>> your
>> >    default gateway>. Thats is all.
>> >
>> >    Tested with Qi bootloader aka official MAC address of the Freerunner
>> : on
>> >    Android Koolu beta 7
>> >
>> >    Carig Philippines --frank 14:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
>> >
>> >    ----------
>> >
>> >    and eth1 gets assigned the proper IP address. I can connect to Neo
>> but
>> >    from there I don't have any connection to the 'outside'. Please
>> notice
>> >    that resolv.conf has the correct Opendns IPs!
>> >
>> >    Actually I should face the same problem as described in:
>> >
>> >    http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td3119750
>> >
>> >    but the postings there weren't of any help :(
>> >
>> >    Thanks
>> >
>> >    Tony
>>  I used the config you can find in [0] and it works.
>>
>>
>> [0]
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others
>> > _______________________________________________
>>
>>
> but this one 'ties' it in usb0 although it connects as eth1! How can this
> work?
>
> I also used the following entries in /etc/network/interfaces:
>
> #freerunner3
> allow-hotplug eth1
> iface eth1 inet static
> address 192.168.0.200
> netmask 255.255.255.0
> network 192.168.0.0
> up iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 &
> up echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward &
> up iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT &
> down iptables -D POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 &
>
> and didn't work! Openmoko wasn't able to get an IP address at all!
>
> get ip adress ? dont understand this.
>
> but i had to add this two lines to my /etc/ufw/ufw.conf
>
> ufw allow from 192.168.0.202
> ufw allow to 192.168.0.202
>
>
> another trial with iptables needs to load some modules too:
>
> #!/bin/sh
>
> MOKO=192.168.0.202
>
> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
> modprobe ipt_MASQUERADE
>
> iptables -I FORWARD -j ACCEPT -d ${MOKO}/32
> iptables -I FORWARD -j ACCEPT -s ${MOKO}/32
> iptables -I POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s ${MOKO}/32
>
>
> --
> Mit freundlichen Gr?ssen
> Matthias Huber
> Kohlstattstr. 14
> 86459 Wollishausen
> Tel: 08238-7998
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From cristianpark at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 05:36:15 2009
From: cristianpark at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Cristian_G=F3mez?=)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:36:15 -0500
Subject: I buy FreeRunner on Europe
Message-ID: <d5a948d60910062036o1deda8a5t458e01ad66634d0e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys, I've seen some posts offering used FreeRunner's on Europe but I
don't if any of the offers is available right now.

I have a friend on France who's interested on buying a FR hopefully on
France or other European country where the sheep taxes are none or cheaper
than from US.

Thanks for you attention

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From cristianpark at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 05:46:10 2009
From: cristianpark at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Cristian_G=F3mez?=)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:46:10 -0500
Subject: OM-Showroom Something to show
In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80910031638x754e8812xd2a5e84ef36e8c5b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5c6ceea80910021804t14532616y274a9d696a28c62a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20091003090736.GG537@nysv.org>
	<5c6ceea80910031638x754e8812xd2a5e84ef36e8c5b@mail.gmail.com>
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I only want to say that you're doing an amazing work with the OM-ShowRoom,
if things keep going this way, sooner than later we'll have a great portal
to handle all the things that application's public delivering involves.

Thank you again

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2009/10/3 David Reyes Samblas Martinez <david at tuxbrain.com>

> 2009/10/3 Markus T?rnqvist <mjt at nysv.org>:
> > On Sat, Oct 03, 2009 at 03:04:45AM +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez
> wrote:
> >>take a look here[1] for some screenshots and explanations :)
> >>Please comments and of course collaboration :)
> >>
> >>[1]http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/om-showroom-something-show
> >
> > !!!
> >
> > I still have lots of unread email about this, but I'm happy to see things
> > are still progressing :)
> >
> > There should probably be a closed beta before the public launch!
> Knowing me andmy coding habilities, the amount of features left to
> code, and the multi source,multi platform nature of the
> project...surelly it will still beta a long time AFTER the public
> release :P
> >
> > Thanks, guys!
> >
> > --
> > mjt
> >
> >
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From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Wed Oct  7 08:52:45 2009
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:52:45 +0300
Subject: USB networking with Ubuntu 9.04
In-Reply-To: <d5a948d60910062023p61d5d99fofe1d460b7eb1febc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db260910060904q2621024aqce10e28531f6e03f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091006190045.GG26619@playya-laptop>
	<3494db260910061240g171a11b3r5bd670741d6c3113@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <3494db260910062352k6b39e911q1bcdb58ef96e7a95@mail.gmail.com>

Bingo. Thanks A LOT!

Is it possible to update the Wiki with that one. I think this will be a
great help to the whole community

Cheers

Tony

2009/10/7 Cristian G?mez <cristianpark at gmail.com>

> Hi, What I do to connect the FreeRunner to the PC is running this script
> [1] that I've made with the things listed on the wiki. To run it just type
> sudo sh usb_networking.sh.
>
> I used it on Arch Linux and Ubuntu and I think it works on every distro as
> well. Any changes, suggestions are welcome. Currently it's on spanish.
>
> Note: The script is configured for SHR so it uses the eth1 interface not
> the usb0
>
> [1] http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zm0gtz2tyjq
>
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> * Cristian G?mez Alvarez
> * Ingeniero en Sistemas y Computaci?n
> * Universidad de Caldas
> * Comunidad de Software Libre Manizales
> * IEEE/WIE Student Member
> * Linux User #463617
> * Mi Blog: http://cristianpark.sehablalinux.com/
> ****************************************/
>
>
> 2009/10/6 Matthias Huber <matthias.huber at wollishausen.de>
>
>>  Tony Berth schrieb:
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Frederik Sdun <
>> frederik.sdun at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> * Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com> [06.10.2009 18:06]:
>>>  >    followed as described in:
>>> >
>>> >    http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking
>>> >
>>> >    -------------
>>> >
>>> >   Ubuntu 9.04 - the Jaunty Jackalope -- udev
>>> >
>>> >    One can see /etc/udev/rules.d that a device plugged in on USB will
>>> be
>>> >    called eth1. Go to system->Administration->Network and add the
>>> parameters
>>> >    for eth1 < static ip, address 192.168.0.200 mask 255.255.255.192 add
>>> your
>>> >    default gateway>. Thats is all.
>>> >
>>> >    Tested with Qi bootloader aka official MAC address of the Freerunner
>>> : on
>>> >    Android Koolu beta 7
>>> >
>>> >    Carig Philippines --frank 14:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
>>> >
>>> >    ----------
>>> >
>>> >    and eth1 gets assigned the proper IP address. I can connect to Neo
>>> but
>>> >    from there I don't have any connection to the 'outside'. Please
>>> notice
>>> >    that resolv.conf has the correct Opendns IPs!
>>> >
>>> >    Actually I should face the same problem as described in:
>>> >
>>> >    http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td3119750
>>> >
>>> >    but the postings there weren't of any help :(
>>> >
>>> >    Thanks
>>> >
>>> >    Tony
>>>  I used the config you can find in [0] and it works.
>>>
>>>
>>> [0]
>>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>> but this one 'ties' it in usb0 although it connects as eth1! How can this
>> work?
>>
>> I also used the following entries in /etc/network/interfaces:
>>
>> #freerunner3
>> allow-hotplug eth1
>> iface eth1 inet static
>> address 192.168.0.200
>> netmask 255.255.255.0
>> network 192.168.0.0
>> up iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 &
>> up echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward &
>> up iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT &
>> down iptables -D POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 &
>>
>> and didn't work! Openmoko wasn't able to get an IP address at all!
>>
>> get ip adress ? dont understand this.
>>
>> but i had to add this two lines to my /etc/ufw/ufw.conf
>>
>> ufw allow from 192.168.0.202
>> ufw allow to 192.168.0.202
>>
>>
>> another trial with iptables needs to load some modules too:
>>
>> #!/bin/sh
>>
>> MOKO=192.168.0.202
>>
>> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
>> modprobe ipt_MASQUERADE
>>
>> iptables -I FORWARD -j ACCEPT -d ${MOKO}/32
>> iptables -I FORWARD -j ACCEPT -s ${MOKO}/32
>> iptables -I POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s ${MOKO}/32
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mit freundlichen Gr?ssen
>> Matthias Huber
>> Kohlstattstr. 14
>> 86459 Wollishausen
>> Tel: 08238-7998
>> LPI000181125
>>
>>
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From rms at 1407.org  Wed Oct  7 09:06:34 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:06:34 +0100
Subject: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
In-Reply-To: <87ws38ext8.fsf@slice.rozzin.com>
References: <4AC74948.5060708@gmail.com>
	<20091003154550.1da0b095@vanek.robe.cz>
	<c30e08170910030655s27e35679ydfe78ed178e52017@mail.gmail.com>
	<873a60qrpn.fsf@slice.rozzin.com>
	<10057E19-F734-4B35-9334-911A6DC8FE45@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
	<EE80B060080A47A9879D96A4D3589F62@felix>
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	<87ws38ext8.fsf@slice.rozzin.com>
Message-ID: <20091007070634.GA9089@roque.1407.org>

If someone can tell me an easy command for restarting the wrench, I could
add it to omnewrotate (as an option).

Rui

On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 10:34:59PM -0400, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote:
> Stroller <stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk> writes:
> >
> > On 7 Oct 2009, at 00:26, undrwater wrote:
> > >> ...
> > >> Sorry, I read ALL these explanations as saying exactly the same  
> > >> thing,
> > >> just in different ways. Perhaps you could clarify how they differ?
> > >>
> > >
> > > Hm.  I read:
> > > Problem 1: illume keyboard in landscape mode does not show (the  
> > > keyboard
> > > itself doesn't show, only the prediction window and keyboard selector)
> > >
> > > Problem 2: qwerty button is hidden in shelf gadget and requires 2  
> > > taps to
> > > bring it up
> > >
> > > I posted problem 1, I think you understood problem 2.  Am I right?
> > 
> > Item 2 (I find that a problem, too) is discussed in this thread  
> > because it's necessary to go through this procedure to overcome  
> > problem 1.
> > 
> > In this thread this pair of actions was originally described by  
> > Sebastian Krzyszkowiak in his post of 3 October 2009 14:55:51 BST.
> > 
> > Joshua Judson Rosen's post of 3 October 2009 19:04:36 BST ("I don't  
> > understand what you guys are talking about") may indicate that he  
> > doesn't suffer from problem 2.
> 
> This is my experience:
> 
>     If the screen is already in landscape mode when the keyboard pops
>     up, then the keyboaprd appears perfectly fine.
> 
>     Only if the keyboard is already shown prior to rotating the
>     display, then it doesn't show properly when the display arrives in
>     landscape mode.
> 
>     In this second case, the only steps required to fix the keyboard
>     is to hide and then show it by:
> 
>         0] Lowering the shelf and tapping "qwerty"
>            (to hide the keyboard).
>         1] Lowering the shelf and tapping "qwerty" again
>            (to re-show the keyboard).
> 
>     This does /not/ involve the `wrench', or changing any
>     settings. The word "none" is not involved, nor is the word "default".
> 
>     And, again: if the screen is rotated into landscape mode prior to
>     the keyboard becoming visible, this procedure is not even
>     necessary as the keyboard `just works'.
> 
> 
> Contrariwise, situation that I read Sebastian, Petr, et al. describing is:
> 
>     The keyboard does not appear properly in landscape mode,
>     regardless of whether the display is rotated before or after the
>     keyboard appears. If the screen is already in landscape mode when
>     the keyboard pops up, the keyboard does *not* appear correctly.
> 
>     To make the keyboard appear properly in landscape mode, *this*
>     following procedure must be repeated each time the screen is
>     rotated:
> 
>         0] Lower the shelf and tap the `wrench' icon.
>         2] Select "Keyboard" in the menu that appears.
>         3] Select the "None" radiobutton in the screen that appears.
>         4] Select the "Default" radiobutton (in the same screen,
>            which remains until the "Close" button is pressed).
> 
>     [And, since I haven't actually seen /this/ scenario myself,
>      I'm assuming that the following step is also needed:]
> 
>         5] If the keyboard is not showing now, lower the shelf
>            and tap "qwerty" to show it.
> 
> 
> The two situations (and procedures) look *remarkably* different to me.
> 
> If this is unclear, I can probably post a video demonstrating my
> experience....
> 
> -- 
> Don't be afraid to ask (Lf.((Lx.xx) (Lr.f(rr)))).
> 
> 
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From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 09:09:39 2009
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:09:39 +0200
Subject: I buy FreeRunner on Europe
In-Reply-To: <d5a948d60910062036o1deda8a5t458e01ad66634d0e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5a948d60910062036o1deda8a5t458e01ad66634d0e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26fea52c0910070009j70100464je83bd8236c9fb15e@mail.gmail.com>

there is
topic: Neo Freerunner + Debug board for Sale - Sweden
posted 10 hours ago on the support list by Ingvaldur Sigurjonsson <
ingi at telia.com>

"Hi

  Selling my Neo Freerunner together with Debug board for 2000:- SEK or
195 ?.

  All the standard stuff is included except the pen, went lost.

  Free shipping within Sweden.

  If you're in the Stockholm area, we can meet for a demo.

Ingi"


/me is awaiting his commission :)




2009/10/7 Cristian G?mez <cristianpark at gmail.com>

> Hi guys, I've seen some posts offering used FreeRunner's on Europe but I
> don't if any of the offers is available right now.
>
> I have a friend on France who's interested on buying a FR hopefully on
> France or other European country where the sheep taxes are none or cheaper
> than from US.
>
> Thanks for you attention
>
> /***************************************
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> * Cristian G?mez Alvarez
> * Ingeniero en Sistemas y Computaci?n
> * Universidad de Caldas
> * Comunidad de Software Libre Manizales
> * IEEE/WIE Student Member
> * Linux User #463617
> * Mi Blog: http://cristianpark.sehablalinux.com/
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From matthias.huber at wollishausen.de  Wed Oct  7 09:27:36 2009
From: matthias.huber at wollishausen.de (Matthias Huber)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 09:27:36 +0200
Subject: USB networking with Ubuntu 9.04
In-Reply-To: <3494db260910062352k6b39e911q1bcdb58ef96e7a95@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db260910060904q2621024aqce10e28531f6e03f@mail.gmail.com>	<20091006190045.GG26619@playya-laptop>	<3494db260910061240g171a11b3r5bd670741d6c3113@mail.gmail.com>	<4ACBA089.8060605@wollishausen.de>	<d5a948d60910062023p61d5d99fofe1d460b7eb1febc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3494db260910062352k6b39e911q1bcdb58ef96e7a95@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACC42E8.10502@wollishausen.de>

Tony Berth schrieb:
> Bingo. Thanks A LOT!
>
> Is it possible to update the Wiki with that one. I think this will be 
> a great help to the whole community
>
if you would tell me wich of / or both tricks did it on your system ?
>
>
>         but i had to add this two lines to my /etc/ufw/ufw.conf
>
>         ufw allow from 192.168.0.202
>         ufw allow to 192.168.0.202
>
>
>         another trial with iptables needs to load some modules too:
>
>         #!/bin/sh
>
>         MOKO=192.168.0.202
>
>
>         echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
>         modprobe ipt_MASQUERADE
>
>         iptables -I FORWARD -j ACCEPT -d ${MOKO}/32
>         iptables -I FORWARD -j ACCEPT -s ${MOKO}/32
>         iptables -I POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s ${MOKO}/32
>


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From ajvogel at tuks.co.za  Wed Oct  7 09:43:04 2009
From: ajvogel at tuks.co.za (Adolph J. Vogel)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:43:04 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
In-Reply-To: <20091007070634.GA9089@roque.1407.org>
References: <4AC74948.5060708@gmail.com> <87ws38ext8.fsf@slice.rozzin.com>
	<20091007070634.GA9089@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <200910070943.05230.ajvogel@tuks.co.za>

On Wednesday 07 October 2009 09:06:34 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> If someone can tell me an easy command for restarting the wrench, I could
> add it to omnewrotate (as an option).

+1, that would be cool


-- 
Adolph J. Vogel         BEng(Hons)





From kazer at altern.org  Wed Oct  7 10:12:43 2009
From: kazer at altern.org (KaZeR)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 01:12:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: I buy FreeRunner on Europe
In-Reply-To: <26fea52c0910070009j70100464je83bd8236c9fb15e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5a948d60910062036o1deda8a5t458e01ad66634d0e@mail.gmail.com>
	<26fea52c0910070009j70100464je83bd8236c9fb15e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1254903163288-3780386.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,


For a brand new one, in France you can contact Bearstech, they are the
official reseller for France i believe.
But Pulster (in DE) might be cheaper.

Also, it might be worth having a look at eBay.
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From ivanshirokoff at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 10:50:56 2009
From: ivanshirokoff at gmail.com (Ivan Shirokov)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:50:56 +0400
Subject: 1024#
Message-ID: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>

Hello.
I've been wondering if all the freerunners are affected by bug #1024?
I've got 2.6 one.
And if not, how can I determine if mine is affected?

Thanks a lot for any help and sorry for a nub question =)


From cvwillegen at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 10:57:02 2009
From: cvwillegen at gmail.com (Christ van Willegen)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:57:02 +0200
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b77f73010910070157u6c09c314x641e7903e38b577e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Ivan Shirokov <ivanshirokoff at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been wondering if all the freerunners are affected by bug #1024?

I've been wondering the same thing...

It would seem that the extra current draw in suspend would affect all
FRs, so having a #1024 fix-party would be a good idea in any case (?).

Christ van Willegen
-- 
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0


From david at garabana.com  Wed Oct  7 11:21:29 2009
From: david at garabana.com (David Garabana Barro)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:21:29 +0200
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <b77f73010910070157u6c09c314x641e7903e38b577e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>
	<b77f73010910070157u6c09c314x641e7903e38b577e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910071121.29851.david@garabana.com>

On Wednesday 07 October 2009 10:57:02 Christ van Willegen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Ivan Shirokov <ivanshirokoff at gmail.com> 
wrote:
> > I've been wondering if all the freerunners are affected by bug #1024?

No, not all FR are affected, AFAIK

> I've been wondering the same thing...
>
> It would seem that the extra current draw in suspend would affect all
> FRs, so having a #1024 fix-party would be a good idea in any case (?).

#1024 is not causing extra current drain, but the software solution to this 
bug:
Not allowing Calypso entering deep sleep mode.

You can check if your FR is suffering from #1024 editting /etc/frameworkd.conf 
and changing 

ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never

to

ti_calypso_deep_sleep = always

then restarting framework:

/etc/init.d/frameworkd restart

After doing so, if your FR suffers from this bug, your modem will continuously 
register/unregister from GSM network when suspended, and you will lose calls

On my case, it was nearly impossible to call FR when suspended + calypso deep 
sleep.

But not all FR suffer from this bug. You should try it after fixing it.


From david at garabana.com  Wed Oct  7 11:25:16 2009
From: david at garabana.com (David Garabana Barro)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:25:16 +0200
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <b77f73010910070157u6c09c314x641e7903e38b577e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>
	<b77f73010910070157u6c09c314x641e7903e38b577e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910071125.16760.david@garabana.com>

On Wednesday 07 October 2009 10:57:02 Christ van Willegen wrote:
> Hi,

A very good post about #1024:

http://neofundas.blogspot.com/2009/09/1024-hardware-fixdeep-sleep.html


From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Wed Oct  7 11:29:30 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:29:30 +0100
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <b77f73010910070157u6c09c314x641e7903e38b577e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>
	<b77f73010910070157u6c09c314x641e7903e38b577e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910071029.30686.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Wednesday 07 October 2009, Christ van Willegen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Ivan Shirokov <ivanshirokoff at gmail.com> 
wrote:
> > I've been wondering if all the freerunners are affected by bug #1024?
> 
> I've been wondering the same thing...
> 
> It would seem that the extra current draw in suspend would affect all
> FRs, so having a #1024 fix-party would be a good idea in any case (?).

All are potentially affected as they all have nominally the same capacitor 
value. Not all of them actually suffer from it though, probably due to 
component variation. Dieter found that on his he could start the problem by 
heating the chip by a few degrees, and stop it by letting it cool. Depending 
on how lucky you are you may have #1024 always, never, or only when the 
phone's in your pocket.

There are two sources of extra current draw: recamping and not being in deep 
sleep mode. Recamping is the symptom of #1024 so is only an issue on phones 
suffering from it. Deep sleep mode is a config option in /etc/frameworkd.conf 
so if you don't suffer from #1024 you can always use deep sleep mode.


From cvwillegen at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 11:32:55 2009
From: cvwillegen at gmail.com (Christ van Willegen)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:32:55 +0200
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <200910071029.30686.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com> 
	<b77f73010910070157u6c09c314x641e7903e38b577e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200910071029.30686.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <b77f73010910070232x12538249qb7841252fc2977da@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I've read the earlier-mentioned blog post, and have checked on IRC as
well. #1024-fixed devices have a smaller current drain. Battery time
can rise from 70h to 140h, even with deep_sleep=always already in the
config file.

Christ van Willegen


From thomas.hocedez at free.fr  Wed Oct  7 11:36:01 2009
From: thomas.hocedez at free.fr (Thomas HOCEDEZ)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 11:36:01 +0200
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <200910071121.29851.david@garabana.com>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>	<b77f73010910070157u6c09c314x641e7903e38b577e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910071121.29851.david@garabana.com>
Message-ID: <4ACC6101.2090506@free.fr>

David Garabana Barro a ?crit :
> On Wednesday 07 October 2009 10:57:02 Christ van Willegen wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Ivan Shirokov <ivanshirokoff at gmail.com> 
>>     
> wrote:
>   
>>> I've been wondering if all the freerunners are affected by bug #1024?
>>>       
>
> No, not all FR are affected, AFAIK
>
>   
>> I've been wondering the same thing...
>>
>> It would seem that the extra current draw in suspend would affect all
>> FRs, so having a #1024 fix-party would be a good idea in any case (?).
>>     
>
> #1024 is not causing extra current drain, but the software solution to this 
> bug:
> Not allowing Calypso entering deep sleep mode.
>
> You can check if your FR is suffering from #1024 editting /etc/frameworkd.conf 
> and changing 
>
> ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never
>
> to
>
> ti_calypso_deep_sleep = always
>
> then restarting framework:
>
> /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart
>
> After doing so, if your FR suffers from this bug, your modem will continuously 
> register/unregister from GSM network when suspended, and you will lose calls
>
> On my case, it was nearly impossible to call FR when suspended + calypso deep 
> sleep.
>
> But not all FR suffer from this bug. You should try it after fixing it.
>
>   
Most of GTA02-A5/A6 have this bug.
Once TI_CALYPSO_DEEP_SLEEP set to "always", you can check with a little 
script done by KaZEr (see bleow)
Launch it on screen, and redirect output to a file.

If you have something like
[2009-09-09 12:36:09.189663] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
[2009-09-09 12:36:15.088936] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
[2009-09-09 12:38:10.442808] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
[2009-09-09 12:38:13.020126] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
[2009-09-09 12:40:25.772918] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
[2009-09-09 12:40:28.620096] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
[2009-09-09 12:41:17.557676] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
[2009-09-09 12:41:20.404582] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48

Then you have the bug (trying to connect to GSM every second!)

regards

AstHrO

Here's KaZeR's script :
--------------------------
#!/usr/bin/python

import dbus
import dbus.glib
import gobject
import datetime
   
def onNetworkStatus(status ):
        print '[%s] Signal : cid=%s, lac=%s' % 
(datetime.datetime.now(),status['cid'],status['lac'] )

bus = dbus.SystemBus();

bus.add_signal_receiver( onNetworkStatus,
                         "Status",
                         "org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network",
                         "org.freesmartphone.ogsmd",
                         "/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device" )

gobject.threads_init()
dbus.glib.init_threads()
main_loop = gobject.MainLoop()
main_loop.run()


--------------------------


From ivanshirokoff at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 11:39:32 2009
From: ivanshirokoff at gmail.com (Ivan Shirokov)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:39:32 +0400
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <4ACC6101.2090506@free.fr>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>
	<b77f73010910070157u6c09c314x641e7903e38b577e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910071121.29851.david@garabana.com> <4ACC6101.2090506@free.fr>
Message-ID: <6aad99ec0910070239n6d5e905ct6b937fae656e6d7a@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks a lot. I'll give it a try =)

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Thomas HOCEDEZ <thomas.hocedez at free.fr> wrote:
> David Garabana Barro a ?crit :
>> On Wednesday 07 October 2009 10:57:02 Christ van Willegen wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Ivan Shirokov <ivanshirokoff at gmail.com>
>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> I've been wondering if all the freerunners are affected by bug #1024?
>>>>
>>
>> No, not all FR are affected, AFAIK
>>
>>
>>> I've been wondering the same thing...
>>>
>>> It would seem that the extra current draw in suspend would affect all
>>> FRs, so having a #1024 fix-party would be a good idea in any case (?).
>>>
>>
>> #1024 is not causing extra current drain, but the software solution to this
>> bug:
>> Not allowing Calypso entering deep sleep mode.
>>
>> You can check if your FR is suffering from #1024 editting /etc/frameworkd.conf
>> and changing
>>
>> ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never
>>
>> to
>>
>> ti_calypso_deep_sleep = always
>>
>> then restarting framework:
>>
>> /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart
>>
>> After doing so, if your FR suffers from this bug, your modem will continuously
>> register/unregister from GSM network when suspended, and you will lose calls
>>
>> On my case, it was nearly impossible to call FR when suspended + calypso deep
>> sleep.
>>
>> But not all FR suffer from this bug. You should try it after fixing it.
>>
>>
> Most of GTA02-A5/A6 have this bug.
> Once TI_CALYPSO_DEEP_SLEEP set to "always", you can check with a little
> script done by KaZEr (see bleow)
> Launch it on screen, and redirect output to a file.
>
> If you have something like
> [2009-09-09 12:36:09.189663] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> [2009-09-09 12:36:15.088936] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> [2009-09-09 12:38:10.442808] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> [2009-09-09 12:38:13.020126] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> [2009-09-09 12:40:25.772918] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> [2009-09-09 12:40:28.620096] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> [2009-09-09 12:41:17.557676] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> [2009-09-09 12:41:20.404582] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
>
> Then you have the bug (trying to connect to GSM every second!)
>
> regards
>
> AstHrO
>
> Here's KaZeR's script :
> --------------------------
> #!/usr/bin/python
>
> import dbus
> import dbus.glib
> import gobject
> import datetime
>
> def onNetworkStatus(status ):
> ? ? ? ?print '[%s] Signal : cid=%s, lac=%s' %
> (datetime.datetime.now(),status['cid'],status['lac'] )
>
> bus = dbus.SystemBus();
>
> bus.add_signal_receiver( onNetworkStatus,
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? "Status",
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? "org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network",
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? "org.freesmartphone.ogsmd",
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? "/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device" )
>
> gobject.threads_init()
> dbus.glib.init_threads()
> main_loop = gobject.MainLoop()
> main_loop.run()
>
>
> --------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Wed Oct  7 11:41:43 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:41:43 +0100
Subject: Universal Remote for CE/HA? (openmoko)
In-Reply-To: <4AC61AF3.20007@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.6251.1254259301.32323.community@lists.openmoko.org>
	<4AC4E376.80403@gmail.com> <4AC61AF3.20007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910071041.43192.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Friday 02 October 2009, Jed wrote:
> >>> I glued a infrared led into the aux key for this purpose. Did
> >>> someone already try to compile lirc for the FR? My attempt to just
> >>> 'bitbake' it failed (missing kernel configuration).
> >>
> >> Hmmm, wonder if some of the other hand-held platforms do have IR?
> >> Surely there's at least one device?! Lets see there's: Android
> >> devices, Maemo devices, Axim x5xx (kinda), any others?
> 
> Last crack  ;-)
> 
> Does anyone know of any OSS supported devices that do have IR integrated?
> 
> Wifi would get most use in my intended application but IR would be handy!

According to one review [1] the n900 has IR, and there's a universal remote 
app for it [2]. We'll have to wait and see exactly how open it is though.

[1] http://my-simbian.com/other/preview_n900.php
[2] http://irreco.garage.maemo.org/


From m.labrousse_list at bcmd.fr  Wed Oct  7 11:44:41 2009
From: m.labrousse_list at bcmd.fr (Mickael Labrousse)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 11:44:41 +0200
Subject: Increasing GPS accuracy with EGNOS
In-Reply-To: <200910052059.47422.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <26fea52c0910040501g29455dd7x3dada40b01354986@mail.gmail.com>	<200910051102.11729.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>	<958244340910050420u6fe64470lee6f653d86fbb8a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910052059.47422.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4ACC6309.9070000@bcmd.fr>

I'll try to check it too.

I'll let you know.

Mickael

Al Johnson a ?crit :
> On Monday 05 October 2009, Joseph Reeves wrote:
>   
>>> This is probably worth checking to see what is actually happening
>>>       
>> when in Europe,
>>
>> Someone tell me what command to run on what distro and I'll let you all
>>  know...
>>     
>
> If it was going to be that easy I'd have done it myself ;-) AFAIK there isn't 
> a simple ubx utility that would allow us to send parameters to the GPS and 
> watch for the returning messages, so adding a few lines to ogpsd is probably 
> the easiest approach. For anyone who knows their way around ogpsd and ubx it 
> should be quick and easy ;-) I'm not that person, so if I get round to it it 
> may take a little longer...
>
>   
>> 2009/10/5 Al Johnson <openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk>:
>>     
>>> On Sunday 04 October 2009, Erik Lundin wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Good news, indeed. Does the Neo FreeRunner support EGNOS signals? Both
>>>> the hardware and software?
>>>>         
>>> http://www.u-blox.com/en/download-center.html?task=view.download&cid=83
>>>
>>> According to this the Antaris 4 is capable of using WAAS, EGNOS and MSAS,
>>> collectively known as SBAS, and the signal is received through the GPS
>>> antenna. By default it is enabled, with one search channel, although this
>>> can be configured through the ubx protocol. The status can also be shown
>>> in ubx messages. This is probably worth checking to see what is actually
>>> happening when in Europe, as when it was written EGNOS was in test mode,
>>> and its use was disabled by default. It is unclear whether this was
>>> because of a 'test mode' flag in the signal or hardcoding in the
>>> firmware.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Openmoko community mailing list
>>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>>     
>
>
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>
>   



From nahumba at cs.bgu.ac.il  Wed Oct  7 11:49:38 2009
From: nahumba at cs.bgu.ac.il (flecktor)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:49:38 +0000
Subject: no wifi
In-Reply-To: <mailman.57.1254908059.14033.community@lists.openmoko.org>
References: <mailman.57.1254908059.14033.community@lists.openmoko.org>
Message-ID: <COL106-W518D73AE44A92C9FCE9E24C1CD0@phx.gbl>


hi everyone,

about a year ago , someone wrote in that he had found a way to same more energy from the battry by disabling the wifi, and added 2-3 commands that do that.

i executed those commands, and now i want to re-enable the wifi again. anyone could know what settings i changed?(silly me live in a mess and don't remember).

thanks.
flecktor
 		 	   		  
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From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Wed Oct  7 12:00:03 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:00:03 +0100
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <b77f73010910070232x12538249qb7841252fc2977da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910071029.30686.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<b77f73010910070232x12538249qb7841252fc2977da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910071100.03839.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Wednesday 07 October 2009, Christ van Willegen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've read the earlier-mentioned blog post, and have checked on IRC as
> well. #1024-fixed devices have a smaller current drain. Battery time
> can rise from 70h to 140h, even with deep_sleep=always already in the
> config file.

From the blog post:
"DocScrutinizer-with sleep=4 you either get 140h, or problems on recamping 
when out in the cold."

In other words if you set deep_sleep=always you will either see the full 
battery life, or you will get recamping, which will reduce battery life. Fixed 
devices see more battery life after the fix than before because they suffered 
from recamping before the fix.


From maxious at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:10:42 2009
From: maxious at gmail.com (Alex (Maxious) Sadleir)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:10:42 +1100
Subject: Increasing GPS accuracy with EGNOS
In-Reply-To: <200910051102.11729.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <26fea52c0910040501g29455dd7x3dada40b01354986@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4AC9241C.3040704@lists.lun.nu>
	<200910051102.11729.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1e5d79990910070310k1d36021akb2ee2ba6f30d774a@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Al Johnson
<openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sunday 04 October 2009, Erik Lundin wrote:
>> Good news, indeed. Does the Neo FreeRunner support EGNOS signals? Both
>> the hardware and software?
>
> http://www.u-blox.com/en/download-center.html?task=view.download&cid=83
>
> According to this the Antaris 4 is capable of using WAAS, EGNOS and MSAS,
> collectively known as SBAS, and the signal is received through the GPS
> antenna. By default it is enabled, with one search channel, although this can
> be configured through the ubx protocol. The status can also be shown in ubx
> messages. This is probably worth checking to see what is actually happening
> when in Europe, as when it was written EGNOS was in test mode, and its use was
> disabled by default. It is unclear whether this was because of a 'test mode'
> flag in the signal or hardcoding in the firmware.
>

Other GPS receivers seem to have switched over automatically -
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/kevjs1982/diary/8160 .


From frederik.sdun at googlemail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:52:48 2009
From: frederik.sdun at googlemail.com (Frederik Sdun)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:52:48 +0200
Subject: no wifi
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W518D73AE44A92C9FCE9E24C1CD0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.57.1254908059.14033.community@lists.openmoko.org>
	<COL106-W518D73AE44A92C9FCE9E24C1CD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20091007105248.GK26619@playya-laptop>

* flecktor <nahumba at cs.bgu.ac.il> [07.10.2009 11:51]:
>    hi everyone,
> 
>    about a year ago , someone wrote in that he had found a way to same more
>    energy from the battry by disabling the wifi, and added 2-3 commands that
>    do that.
> 
>    i executed those commands, and now i want to re-enable the wifi again.
>    anyone could know what settings i changed?(silly me live in a mess and
>    don't remember).
> 
>    thanks.
>    flecktor
> 
>      ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>    Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.
Could you post those commands?
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From vfebvre at easter-eggs.com  Wed Oct  7 13:16:48 2009
From: vfebvre at easter-eggs.com (Valery Febvre)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:16:48 +0200
Subject: [SHR] new package: theremin (alfa version warning)
In-Reply-To: <d67d61f10910050729t21b09667y1a498073711358cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d67d61f10910050729t21b09667y1a498073711358cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACC78A0.1040906@easter-eggs.com>

Aapo Rantalainen wrote:
> I packaged maemo-theremin[1] on freerunner SHR-U.
> It is nice musical tool but unfortunately it is just little bit too
> slowly to work smoothly.
> 
> Anybody has any ideas how to get it working little bit faster?
> 
> 
> Package:
> http://www.opkg.org/package_287.html
> 
> Info
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Theremin
> 
> -Aapo Rantalainen
> 
> [1] http://theremin.garage.maemo.org/

Thanks a lot for the package.

I think I found a solution to get it working a little bit better?

First, I used the timbre "Clarinet". Result is better than with the
other timbers (SINE + ADSR, Plcuked String, Trombone).

Then, I modified the Exec line in the .desktop file

Exec=DISPLAY=:0.0 theremin & renice -n 19 -p $!

I don't understand why the DISPLAY=:0.0 makes the difference but it
does.

A video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVGIUSmP1rE
-- 
Val?ry


From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Wed Oct  7 13:44:22 2009
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:44:22 +0200
Subject: QtMoko v14
Message-ID: <1254915862.6052.26.camel@rp-skunk>

Hi,
i have just uploaded QtMoko v14 debian images. QtMoko is stable
distribution for based on Debian and Qtopia. It can be downloaded from
here:

http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/download/

For more information see:

http://qtmoko.org/
http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/
http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/screenshots/

Changes from previous version:

* Fixed alarm
* Maybe fixed loosing some incoming SMS
* Updated kernel to latest andy-tracking

As you can see there are not many changes. The main purpose of this
release is to have version with working alarm and i would like to get
some feedback about missing SMS bug. I cant reproduce it with this image
(now i can even receive the concatenated SMS).

So if you hit the SMS issue with this image, please let me know. Most
valuable is way how to reproduce it and also AT log would be nice.

If you are GPRS user then make sure you always fill username and
password (even with some dummy values).

So enjoy the images and thanks everybody who helped with this release.

Cheers

Radek





From solar.george at googlemail.com  Wed Oct  7 13:47:19 2009
From: solar.george at googlemail.com (George Brooke)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:47:19 +0100
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <4ACC6101.2090506@free.fr>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910071121.29851.david@garabana.com> <4ACC6101.2090506@free.fr>
Message-ID: <200910071247.22973.solar.george@googlemail.com>

On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 10:36:01 Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote:
> David Garabana Barro a ?crit :
> If you have something like
> [2009-09-09 12:36:09.189663] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> [2009-09-09 12:36:15.088936] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> [2009-09-09 12:38:10.442808] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> [2009-09-09 12:38:13.020126] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> [2009-09-09 12:40:25.772918] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> [2009-09-09 12:40:28.620096] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> [2009-09-09 12:41:17.557676] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> [2009-09-09 12:41:20.404582] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
>
> Then you have the bug (trying to connect to GSM every second!)
What would be considered a normal rate of connections?

solar.george
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From risto at kurppa.fi  Wed Oct  7 14:05:40 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:40 +0300
Subject: [SHR] new package: theremin (alfa version warning)
In-Reply-To: <4ACC78A0.1040906@easter-eggs.com>
References: <d67d61f10910050729t21b09667y1a498073711358cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ACC78A0.1040906@easter-eggs.com>
Message-ID: <d3e504410910070505m4287b6b6re2e4a0959ab8e096@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Valery Febvre <vfebvre at easter-eggs.com> wrote:
> A video:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVGIUSmP1rE

WOW, you're an awesome player!

Some real-world theremin videos. I would so much like to try one..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcTPRjiCs6s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6bSRcRAhnc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/user/ooo6#play/uploads/1/Bkp9bDGDd1w
http://www.youtube.com/user/ooo6#play/uploads/6/mW0B1sipLBI

r



-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From thomas.hocedez at free.fr  Wed Oct  7 14:12:44 2009
From: thomas.hocedez at free.fr (Thomas HOCEDEZ)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:12:44 +0200
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <200910071247.22973.solar.george@googlemail.com>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>	<200910071121.29851.david@garabana.com>
	<4ACC6101.2090506@free.fr>
	<200910071247.22973.solar.george@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACC85BC.10104@free.fr>

George Brooke a ?crit :
> On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 10:36:01 Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote:
>   
>> David Garabana Barro a ?crit :
>> If you have something like
>> [2009-09-09 12:36:09.189663] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
>> [2009-09-09 12:36:15.088936] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
>> [2009-09-09 12:38:10.442808] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
>> [2009-09-09 12:38:13.020126] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
>> [2009-09-09 12:40:25.772918] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
>> [2009-09-09 12:40:28.620096] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
>> [2009-09-09 12:41:17.557676] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
>> [2009-09-09 12:41:20.404582] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
>>
>> Then you have the bug (trying to connect to GSM every second!)
>>     
> What would be considered a normal rate of connections?
>
> solar.george
>   
Once I fixed mine, I couldn't see any line ! I have to let the script 
run, then turning off & on GSM through the "preferences". This way I saw 
only one line.
I can only say that there is no "good" rate, but there is a bad rate : 
multiple connections per second.

Hope this helps.

AstHrO


From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Wed Oct  7 14:37:51 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:37:51 +0100
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <200910071247.22973.solar.george@googlemail.com>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ACC6101.2090506@free.fr>
	<200910071247.22973.solar.george@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <200910071337.51342.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Wednesday 07 October 2009, George Brooke wrote:
> On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 10:36:01 Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote:
> > David Garabana Barro a ?crit :
> > If you have something like
> > [2009-09-09 12:36:09.189663] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> > [2009-09-09 12:36:15.088936] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> > [2009-09-09 12:38:10.442808] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> > [2009-09-09 12:38:13.020126] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> > [2009-09-09 12:40:25.772918] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> > [2009-09-09 12:40:28.620096] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> > [2009-09-09 12:41:17.557676] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> > [2009-09-09 12:41:20.404582] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> >
> > Then you have the bug (trying to connect to GSM every second!)
> 
> What would be considered a normal rate of connections?

Under normal circumstances you would only see these messages with a change of 
cell, so cid would be different. The only time I know of that you might 
legitimately see repeated reconnection to the same cell is if you've got very 
low signal and it's the only cell visible.

I get intermittent reconnection problems where the gap between reconnections 
is between 15s and several hours. 


From cyberfrag at gmx.net  Wed Oct  7 15:21:51 2009
From: cyberfrag at gmx.net (Andreas Fischer)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:21:51 +0200
Subject: [SHR] new package: theremin (alfa version warning)
In-Reply-To: <d67d61f10910050729t21b09667y1a498073711358cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d67d61f10910050729t21b09667y1a498073711358cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACC95EF.9000406@gmx.net>

Hi Aapo,

Cool project. But seeing this I wonder - wouldn't it even be a better 
idea to use the accelerometers instead of the touchscreen? Or even use 
both: accelerometers for the pitch and touchscreen for the amplitude - 
like the original theremin :)

Just my 2ct,
Andreas

Aapo Rantalainen wrote:
> I packaged maemo-theremin[1] on freerunner SHR-U.
> It is nice musical tool but unfortunately it is just little bit too
> slowly to work smoothly.
> 
> Anybody has any ideas how to get it working little bit faster?
> 
> 
> Package:
> http://www.opkg.org/package_287.html
> 
> Info
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Theremin
> 
> -Aapo Rantalainen
> 
> [1] http://theremin.garage.maemo.org/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



From aapo.rantalainen at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 16:10:06 2009
From: aapo.rantalainen at gmail.com (Aapo Rantalainen)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 17:10:06 +0300
Subject: [SHR] new package: theremin (alfa version warning)
Message-ID: <d67d61f10910070710u324bacfdqf030e7b5882b54fe@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Andreas,
>Cool project. But seeing this I wonder - wouldn't it even be a better idea to use the accelerometers instead of the touchscreen?
>Or even use both: accelerometers for the pitch and touchscreen for the amplitude - like the original theremin :)

Nice idea. This is originally made for N810 and it doesn't have
accelerometers. But when N900 (with accelerometers) really comes maybe
upstream is interested in this idea.

-Aapo Rantalainen


From stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk  Wed Oct  7 18:05:43 2009
From: stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk (Stroller)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 17:05:43 +0100
Subject: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
In-Reply-To: <87ws38ext8.fsf@slice.rozzin.com>
References: <d3e504410910022320t7ad65f01se1a4bd88de1a261d@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170910030440x7ab2471fp117ded6ff17ffbc0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091003144430.0ae452ae@vanek.robe.cz>
	<4AC74948.5060708@gmail.com>
	<20091003154550.1da0b095@vanek.robe.cz>
	<c30e08170910030655s27e35679ydfe78ed178e52017@mail.gmail.com>
	<873a60qrpn.fsf@slice.rozzin.com>
	<10057E19-F734-4B35-9334-911A6DC8FE45@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
	<EE80B060080A47A9879D96A4D3589F62@felix>
	<FBAF9BAF-E7D9-4AC1-9CD1-394114774323@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
	<1254871582451-3778755.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1E97013D-5DEB-4BD2-814A-22A913C23BD8@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
	<87ws38ext8.fsf@slice.rozzin.com>
Message-ID: <79D4D47D-B7DC-468C-8834-6E72ECDEDF37@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>


On 7 Oct 2009, at 03:34, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote:
> ...
>    In this second case, the only steps required to fix the keyboard
>    is to hide and then show it by:
>
>        0] Lowering the shelf and tapping "qwerty"
>           (to hide the keyboard).
>        1] Lowering the shelf and tapping "qwerty" again
>           (to re-show the keyboard).
>
>    This does /not/ involve the `wrench', or changing any
>    settings. ...

Ok, excuse me. I am a new user and had been pressing at the wrench (or  
at least, trying to) to lower the shelf. With some experimentation I  
see that pressing anywhere in the shelf lowers it.

My apologies, and thank you for the clear explanation,

Stroller.


From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 18:07:36 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 18:07:36 +0200
Subject: [SHR] new package: theremin (alfa version warning)
In-Reply-To: <4ACC78A0.1040906@easter-eggs.com>
References: <d67d61f10910050729t21b09667y1a498073711358cb@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4ACC78A0.1040906@easter-eggs.com>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc80910070907j3a33dc45w94d861e3ab8939e9@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Valery Febvre <vfebvre at easter-eggs.com> wrote:
> Aapo Rantalainen wrote:
>> I packaged maemo-theremin[1] on freerunner SHR-U.

I hear nothing else, just noise (zzZZZzz, brrrZZZrr) coming out of the
speaker...:-(
 Any idea?

Laszlo


From jedi.theone at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 19:35:22 2009
From: jedi.theone at gmail.com (Jed)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 03:35:22 +1000
Subject: Universal Remote for CE/HA? (openmoko)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2.1254909602.15573.community@lists.openmoko.org>
References: <mailman.2.1254909602.15573.community@lists.openmoko.org>
Message-ID: <4ACCD15A.9060208@gmail.com>

>>>>> I glued a infrared led into the aux key for this purpose. Did
>>>>> someone already try to compile lirc for the FR? My attempt to just
>>>>> 'bitbake' it failed (missing kernel configuration).
>>>> Hmmm, wonder if some of the other hand-held platforms do have IR?
>>>> Surely there's at least one device?! Lets see there's: Android
>>>> devices, Maemo devices, Axim x5xx (kinda), any others?
>> Last crack  ;-)
>>
>> Does anyone know of any OSS supported devices that do have IR integrated?
>>
>> Wifi would get most use in my intended application but IR would be handy!
> 
> According to one review [1] the n900 has IR, and there's a universal remote 
> app for it [2]. We'll have to wait and see exactly how open it is though.
> 
> [1] http://my-simbian.com/other/preview_n900.php
> [2] http://irreco.garage.maemo.org/

Awesome, thanks for pointing that out Al!
This looks like the hand-held for me if my axim x50v doesn't work out!

Cheers,
Jed


From baruch at ev-en.org  Wed Oct  7 12:20:19 2009
From: baruch at ev-en.org (Baruch Even)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:20:19 +0200
Subject: Increasing GPS accuracy with EGNOS
In-Reply-To: <4ACA13AD.2080806@exinto.de>
References: <26fea52c0910040501g29455dd7x3dada40b01354986@mail.gmail.com>	<4AC9241C.3040704@lists.lun.nu>	<200910051102.11729.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<4ACA13AD.2080806@exinto.de>
Message-ID: <4ACC6B63.5020303@ev-en.org>

Christian wrote:
> Al Johnson schrieb:
>> On Sunday 04 October 2009, Erik Lundin wrote:
>>> Good news, indeed. Does the Neo FreeRunner support EGNOS signals? Both
>>> the hardware and software?
>> http://www.u-blox.com/en/download-center.html?task=view.download&cid=83
>>
>> According to this the Antaris 4 is capable of using WAAS, EGNOS and MSAS, 
>> collectively known as SBAS, and the signal is received through the GPS 
>> antenna. By default it is enabled, with one search channel, although this can 
>> be configured through the ubx protocol. The status can also be shown in ubx 
>> messages. This is probably worth checking to see what is actually happening 
>> when in Europe, as when it was written EGNOS was in test mode, and its use was 
>> disabled by default. It is unclear whether this was because of a 'test mode' 
>> flag in the signal or hardcoding in the firmware.
> 
> I found this in the source of ogpsd on my Freerunner:
> 
> def initializeDevice( self ):
> 
>     # Use high sensitivity mode
> 
>     #self.send("CFG-RXM", 2, {"gps_mode" : 2, "lp_mode" : 0})
> 
>     # Enable use of SBAS (even in testmode)
> 
>     self.send("CFG-SBAS", 8, {"mode" : 1, "usage" : 7, "maxsbas" : 3,
> "scanmode" : 0})
> 
> So it seems that SBAS has always been enabled even in test mode. Does
> anybody know where we can get information if sbas is really active and
> used by the chip?

The comment is wrong, the mode value of 1 means that it uses SBAS but 
not if its in test mode. The comment is a left over from the time the 
value was 3, but then the whole line was commented out.


You can get SBAS status messages if you set it in the debug interface with:
mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogpsd /org/freedesktop/Gypsy 
org.freesmartphone.GPS.UBX.SetDebugFilter NAV-SBAS True

and then listen to the signals with:
mdbus -l -s rg.freesmartphone.ogpsd /org/freedesktop/Gypsy

Look for DebugPacket signals.

I tried it for other signals, didn't have time yet to test if it works 
for NAV-SBAS.

Baruch



From mikeumo at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 19:55:44 2009
From: mikeumo at gmail.com (Mikhail Umorin)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:55:44 -0500
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <4ACC6101.2090506@free.fr>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910071121.29851.david@garabana.com> <4ACC6101.2090506@free.fr>
Message-ID: <200910071255.44965.mikeumo@gmail.com>

On Wednesday 07 October 2009 04:36:01 Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote:
> David Garabana Barro a ?crit :
> > On Wednesday 07 October 2009 10:57:02 Christ van Willegen wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Ivan Shirokov <ivanshirokoff at gmail.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >>> I've been wondering if all the freerunners are affected by bug #1024?
> >
> > No, not all FR are affected, AFAIK
> >
> >> I've been wondering the same thing...
> >>
> >> It would seem that the extra current draw in suspend would affect all
> >> FRs, so having a #1024 fix-party would be a good idea in any case (?).
> >
> > #1024 is not causing extra current drain, but the software solution to
> > this bug:
> > Not allowing Calypso entering deep sleep mode.
> >
> > You can check if your FR is suffering from #1024 editting
> > /etc/frameworkd.conf and changing
> >
> > ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never
> >
> > to
> >
> > ti_calypso_deep_sleep = always
> >
> > then restarting framework:
> >
> > /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart
> >
> > After doing so, if your FR suffers from this bug, your modem will
> > continuously register/unregister from GSM network when suspended, and you
> > will lose calls
> >
> > On my case, it was nearly impossible to call FR when suspended + calypso
> > deep sleep.
> >
> > But not all FR suffer from this bug. You should try it after fixing it.
>
> Most of GTA02-A5/A6 have this bug.
> Once TI_CALYPSO_DEEP_SLEEP set to "always", you can check with a little
> script done by KaZEr (see bleow)
> Launch it on screen, and redirect output to a file.
>
> If you have something like
> [2009-09-09 12:36:09.189663] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> [2009-09-09 12:36:15.088936] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> [2009-09-09 12:38:10.442808] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> [2009-09-09 12:38:13.020126] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> [2009-09-09 12:40:25.772918] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> [2009-09-09 12:40:28.620096] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> [2009-09-09 12:41:17.557676] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
> [2009-09-09 12:41:20.404582] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
>
> Then you have the bug (trying to connect to GSM every second!)
>
> regards
>
> AstHrO
>
> Here's KaZeR's script :
> --------------------------
> #!/usr/bin/python
>
> import dbus
> import dbus.glib
> import gobject
> import datetime
>
> def onNetworkStatus(status ):
>         print '[%s] Signal : cid=%s, lac=%s' %
> (datetime.datetime.now(),status['cid'],status['lac'] )
>
> bus = dbus.SystemBus();
>
> bus.add_signal_receiver( onNetworkStatus,
>                          "Status",
>                          "org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network",
>                          "org.freesmartphone.ogsmd",
>                          "/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device" )
>
> gobject.threads_init()
> dbus.glib.init_threads()
> main_loop = gobject.MainLoop()
> main_loop.run()
>
>
> --------------------------
>

I am trying to run the script and I get:

root at om-gta02 ~ $ deep-sleep-check.py > dsc.log
  File "/usr/bin/deep-sleep-check.py", line 9
    print '[%s] Signal : cid=%s, lac=%s' %
                                          ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

I am not familiar with Python, so, can someone help me to fix this?




From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Wed Oct  7 20:02:45 2009
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:02:45 +0300
Subject: USB networking with Ubuntu 9.04
In-Reply-To: <4ACC42E8.10502@wollishausen.de>
References: <3494db260910060904q2621024aqce10e28531f6e03f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091006190045.GG26619@playya-laptop>
	<3494db260910061240g171a11b3r5bd670741d6c3113@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ACBA089.8060605@wollishausen.de>
	<d5a948d60910062023p61d5d99fofe1d460b7eb1febc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3494db260910062352k6b39e911q1bcdb58ef96e7a95@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ACC42E8.10502@wollishausen.de>
Message-ID: <3494db260910071102g38d3756ahc078eac5d298c958@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Matthias Huber <
matthias.huber at wollishausen.de> wrote:

>  Tony Berth schrieb:
>
> Bingo. Thanks A LOT!
>
> Is it possible to update the Wiki with that one. I think this will be a
> great help to the whole community
>
>  if you would tell me wich of / or both tricks did it on your system ?
>
>
>>> but i had to add this two lines to my /etc/ufw/ufw.conf
>>>
>>> ufw allow from 192.168.0.202
>>> ufw allow to 192.168.0.202
>>>
>>>
>>> another trial with iptables needs to load some modules too:
>>>
>>> #!/bin/sh
>>>
>>> MOKO=192.168.0.202
>>>
>>> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
>>>  modprobe ipt_MASQUERADE
>>>
>>> iptables -I FORWARD -j ACCEPT -d ${MOKO}/32
>>> iptables -I FORWARD -j ACCEPT -s ${MOKO}/32
>>> iptables -I POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s ${MOKO}/32
>>>
>>>
what works was the script Cristian Gomez included in his reply!

Just for the records, the first time I run that script it does assign the
192.168.0.200 IP to eth1 but can't ping/access 192.168.0.202! Then:

- I disconnect Openmoko
- connect it again
- re-run the script and voila the connection is there!

Thanks

Tony
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From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Wed Oct  7 20:05:11 2009
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:05:11 +0300
Subject: cellhunter uploading traces (78.47.116.33)
Message-ID: <3494db260910071105i52f0711bre9d64a9ab44801b9@mail.gmail.com>

is 78.47.116.33 not alive any more? When I try to upload n offline log I
don't get any access any more!

Thanks

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From eric at ericanddebbie.com  Wed Oct  7 20:23:48 2009
From: eric at ericanddebbie.com (Eric Olson)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:23:48 -0500
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <200910071255.44965.mikeumo@gmail.com>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>	<200910071121.29851.david@garabana.com>
	<4ACC6101.2090506@free.fr> <200910071255.44965.mikeumo@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACCDCB4.6040708@ericanddebbie.com>

Mikhail,

This should all be on one line:
          print '[%s] Signal : cid=%s, lac=%s' %
     (datetime.datetime.now(),status['cid'],status['lac'] )

Eric


Mikhail Umorin wrote:
> On Wednesday 07 October 2009 04:36:01 Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote:
>> David Garabana Barro a ?crit :
>>> On Wednesday 07 October 2009 10:57:02 Christ van Willegen wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Ivan Shirokov <ivanshirokoff at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> I've been wondering if all the freerunners are affected by bug #1024?
>>> No, not all FR are affected, AFAIK
>>>
>>>> I've been wondering the same thing...
>>>>
>>>> It would seem that the extra current draw in suspend would affect all
>>>> FRs, so having a #1024 fix-party would be a good idea in any case (?).
>>> #1024 is not causing extra current drain, but the software solution to
>>> this bug:
>>> Not allowing Calypso entering deep sleep mode.
>>>
>>> You can check if your FR is suffering from #1024 editting
>>> /etc/frameworkd.conf and changing
>>>
>>> ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never
>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>> ti_calypso_deep_sleep = always
>>>
>>> then restarting framework:
>>>
>>> /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart
>>>
>>> After doing so, if your FR suffers from this bug, your modem will
>>> continuously register/unregister from GSM network when suspended, and you
>>> will lose calls
>>>
>>> On my case, it was nearly impossible to call FR when suspended + calypso
>>> deep sleep.
>>>
>>> But not all FR suffer from this bug. You should try it after fixing it.
>> Most of GTA02-A5/A6 have this bug.
>> Once TI_CALYPSO_DEEP_SLEEP set to "always", you can check with a little
>> script done by KaZEr (see bleow)
>> Launch it on screen, and redirect output to a file.
>>
>> If you have something like
>> [2009-09-09 12:36:09.189663] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
>> [2009-09-09 12:36:15.088936] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
>> [2009-09-09 12:38:10.442808] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
>> [2009-09-09 12:38:13.020126] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
>> [2009-09-09 12:40:25.772918] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
>> [2009-09-09 12:40:28.620096] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
>> [2009-09-09 12:41:17.557676] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
>> [2009-09-09 12:41:20.404582] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48
>>
>> Then you have the bug (trying to connect to GSM every second!)
>>
>> regards
>>
>> AstHrO
>>
>> Here's KaZeR's script :
>> --------------------------
>> #!/usr/bin/python
>>
>> import dbus
>> import dbus.glib
>> import gobject
>> import datetime
>>
>> def onNetworkStatus(status ):
>>         print '[%s] Signal : cid=%s, lac=%s' %
>> (datetime.datetime.now(),status['cid'],status['lac'] )
>>
>> bus = dbus.SystemBus();
>>
>> bus.add_signal_receiver( onNetworkStatus,
>>                          "Status",
>>                          "org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network",
>>                          "org.freesmartphone.ogsmd",
>>                          "/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device" )
>>
>> gobject.threads_init()
>> dbus.glib.init_threads()
>> main_loop = gobject.MainLoop()
>> main_loop.run()
>>
>>
>> --------------------------
>>
> 
> I am trying to run the script and I get:
> 
> root at om-gta02 ~ $ deep-sleep-check.py > dsc.log
>   File "/usr/bin/deep-sleep-check.py", line 9
>     print '[%s] Signal : cid=%s, lac=%s' %
>                                           ^
> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
> 
> I am not familiar with Python, so, can someone help me to fix this?
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 



From neo at el-hennig.de  Wed Oct  7 20:34:54 2009
From: neo at el-hennig.de (Lars Hennig)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:34:54 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: cellhunter uploading traces (78.47.116.33)
Message-ID: <200910071834.n97IYs3j017518@post.webmailer.de>

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From vanous at penguin.cz  Wed Oct  7 20:58:08 2009
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:58:08 +0200
Subject: cellhunter uploading traces (78.47.116.33)
References: <200910071834.n97IYs3j017518@post.webmailer.de>
Message-ID: <20091007205808.429ab210@vanek.robe.cz>

On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:34:54 +0200 (MEST)
"Lars Hennig" <neo at el-hennig.de> (LH) wrote:

>MessageThe new address is: http://ch.omoco.de/cellhunter/ In order to
>make cellhunter work again you should upgrade to version 0.5.0

but this will not convert already existing log file. you must run this
before:

sed -i -e 's/78.47.116.33\/~hole/ch.omoco.de/' cellhunter_offline.log

Petr



From mikeumo at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 22:01:03 2009
From: mikeumo at gmail.com (Mikhail Umorin)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:01:03 -0500
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <4ACCDCB4.6040708@ericanddebbie.com>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910071255.44965.mikeumo@gmail.com>
	<4ACCDCB4.6040708@ericanddebbie.com>
Message-ID: <200910071501.04042.mikeumo@gmail.com>

On Wednesday 07 October 2009 13:23:48 Eric Olson wrote:
> Mikhail,
>
> This should all be on one line:
>           print '[%s] Signal : cid=%s, lac=%s' %
>      (datetime.datetime.now(),status['cid'],status['lac'] )
>
> Eric
>

Thanks, that worked. I even "warmed up" the phone with a heating pad and ran 
the script for a couple of minutes (with deep sleep = always, of course) -- 
and no lines in the log file! I got  A6, so, I guess, I am lucky!


From laforge at gnumonks.org  Wed Oct  7 22:04:11 2009
From: laforge at gnumonks.org (Harald Welte)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 22:04:11 +0200
Subject: GSM roaming question
In-Reply-To: <200909300048.15630.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <200909291748.40263.mikeumo@gmail.com>
	<200909300048.15630.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20091007200411.GX25086@prithivi.gnumonks.org>

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:48:14AM +0100, Al Johnson wrote:

> Automatic mode means the gsm firmware is in control of which network it 
> registers to. This should be the home network if available, or any other 
> allowed network if not. There is an AT command to list the order of preference 
> for picking other networks, but I don't remember what it is, or whether it is 
> provided by the SIM. It's not something you should normally need to touch 
> though.

it's the preferred operator list, stored on the SIM, and typically you can even
edit that file on the sim card (i.e. the filesystem permissions of the SIM's
internal FS permit modifications).  Motorola EZX phones or very old siemens
S2/S3/S6/S10 have the feature to add/remove entries to the preferred operator
list.

I agree, in normal operation you should never have to care about these.

-- 
- Harald Welte <laforge at gnumonks.org>           http://laforge.gnumonks.org/
============================================================================
"Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option."
                                                  (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6)


From ghislain at basetrend.nl  Wed Oct  7 22:53:53 2009
From: ghislain at basetrend.nl (ghislain)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:53:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: QtMoko v14
In-Reply-To: <1254915862.6052.26.camel@rp-skunk>
References: <1254915862.6052.26.camel@rp-skunk>
Message-ID: <1254948833359-3784396.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi!

I really like QtMoko and V14 is an improvement!

Every time a new version arrives I provide the Freerunner Community in the
Netherlands with an alternative download on  http://www.openmobile.nl/
openmobile.nl  (this site is in Dutch).
I also changes some basic things to the standard QtMoko version:
* I create an sdCard installer (Android alike, by flashing qi, rootfs,
kernel)
* I add some packages (pkg-fso-keyring vim ntpdate nfs-common mtd-utils
flite)
* I add a working version of Navit  (under QX), with speech (flite) with an
working map (Benelux) on the sdCard under the MapsNavit folder
* I change the defaults of the fstab (swap on 2nd partition of sdCard),
nfs-mount to host (192.168.1.200) /media/jffs2

Maybe this is handy for the rest of the community too? Take a look at the
latest (V14) installer-image: 
http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qtm14 QtMoko V14 Installer
Image  and let me know if this is something you all like or if there need to
be some changes.





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From jeffrey.ratcliffe at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 23:24:37 2009
From: jeffrey.ratcliffe at gmail.com (Jeffrey Ratcliffe)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 23:24:37 +0200
Subject: HOWTO: Sharing SHR-U GPRS to *buntu laptop
In-Reply-To: <29A46562-1F0C-4A19-A2EB-379FA9155E19@vanille-media.de>
References: <d3e504410909251117x179b9a75w5cd1947a37323054@mail.gmail.com>
	<29A46562-1F0C-4A19-A2EB-379FA9155E19@vanille-media.de>
Message-ID: <30e395780910071424se7bb6c4xb3108a45000dcc18@mail.gmail.com>

2009/9/26 Michael Lauer <mickey at vanille-media.de>:
> Alternatively, use
> org.freesmartphone.Network.StartConnectionSharingWithInterface usb0
>
> and find a dhcp server running on the FR with everything else
> preconfigured.

I'm having a couple of problems with this:

$ mdbus -s
org.freesmartphone.Network.StartConnectionSharingWithInterface usb0

Service name not found

and how would you turn it off again?

Regards

Jeff


From maxposedon at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 01:24:40 2009
From: maxposedon at gmail.com (Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 02:24:40 +0300
Subject: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
In-Reply-To: <4ACA3AAE.3030908@gmx.com>
References: <4AC31589.3050001@gmx.com>
	<792ba59f0909300330qe93b964gf109b6a888bf70b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC3B20B.7060905@gmx.com>
	<792ba59f0910010353q4bd4a72bud4f38757136d3a5e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC664A9.4090702@gmx.com>
	<26fea52c0910050153w37f1d229k6d57dce98ef19526@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ACA3AAE.3030908@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <792ba59f0910071624j4d901d9bx992bc99f0b91cdac@mail.gmail.com>

I still think that its somehow connected with kernel, at least:

[21474549.350000] INFO: RCU detected CPU 0 stall (t=4294909870/2000
jiffies)
[21474549.350000] [<c002dcac>] (dump_stack+0x0/0x14) from [<c0073ec8>]
(__rcu_pending+0x80/0x21c)
[21474549.350000] [<c0073e48>] (__rcu_pending+0x0/0x21c) from
[<c007407c>] (rcu_pending+0x18/0x50)
[21474549.350000]  r7:0000001e r6:c781c020 r5:00000000 r4:00000000
[21474549.350000] [<c0074064>] (rcu_pending+0x0/0x50) from
[<c004e0e4>] (update_process_times+0x40/0x64)
[21474549.350000] [<c004e0a4>] (update_process_times+0x0/0x64) from
[<c002d378>] (timer_tick+0xec/0x114)
[21474549.350000]  r6:00000000 r5:00000000 r4:c0370eb4
[21474549.350000] [<c002d28c>] (timer_tick+0x0/0x114) from
[<c0039338>] (s3c2410_timer_interrupt+0x10/0x18)
[21474549.350000]  r5:00000000 r4:c036e374
[21474549.350000] [<c0039328>] (s3c2410_timer_interrupt+0x0/0x18) from
[<c0071728>] (handle_IRQ_event+0x2c/0x68)
[21474549.350000] [<c00716fc>] (handle_IRQ_event+0x0/0x68) from
[<c0073244>] (handle_edge_irq+0x124/0x174)
[21474549.350000]  r7:c03720d4 r6:c036e374 r5:0000001e r4:c03720a0
[21474549.350000] [<c0073120>] (handle_edge_irq+0x0/0x174) from
[<c0029054>] (__exception_text_start+0x54/0x6c)
[21474549.350000]  r7:00000002 r6:00004000 r5:00000000 r4:0000001e
[21474549.350000] [<c0029000>] (__exception_text_start+0x0/0x6c) from
[<c00299d8>] (__irq_svc+0x38/0xc8)
[21474549.350000] Exception stack(0xc781fa90 to 0xc781fad8)
[21474549.350000] fa80:                                     c9000010
c7a6a794 000001bc 9d378a3c
[21474549.350000] faa0: c2cdce47 c7a6ae94 c79a6ec0 00000008 c797d000
c7937000 00000003 c781fafc
[21474549.350000] fac0: 3e4b3a6e c781fad8 a27f9276 c0149efc 20000013
ffffffff
[21474549.350000]  r5:f4000000 r4:ffffffff
[21474549.350000] [<c01b7920>] (s3c2440_nand_read_buf+0x0/0x64) from
[<c01b1460>] (nand_read_page_raw+0x24/0x40)
[21474549.350000]  r6:0000a696 r5:c797d000 r4:c797d0d0
[21474549.350000] [<c01b143c>] (nand_read_page_raw+0x0/0x40) from
[<c01b14bc>] (nand_read_page_swecc+0x40/0x120)
[21474549.350000]  r5:c797d0d0 r4:00000800
[21474549.350000] [<c01b147c>] (nand_read_page_swecc+0x0/0x120) from
[<c01b4560>] (nand_do_read_ops+0x20c/0x410)
[21474549.350000] [<c01b4354>] (nand_do_read_ops+0x0/0x410) from
[<c01b4b08>] (nand_read+0x94/0xb8)
[21474549.350000] [<c01b4a74>] (nand_read+0x0/0xb8) from [<c01a4b98>]
(part_read+0xa0/0xd4)
[21474549.350000] [<c01a4af8>] (part_read+0x0/0xd4) from [<c0120e34>]
(jffs2_flash_read+0x84/0x248)
[21474549.350000]  r7:00000000 r6:049e096c r5:049e00e0 r4:c781fc8c
[21474549.350000] [<c0120db0>] (jffs2_flash_read+0x0/0x248) from
[<c011a65c>] (jffs2_fill_scan_buf+0x2c/0x4c)
[21474549.350000] [<c011a630>] (jffs2_fill_scan_buf+0x0/0x4c) from
[<c011ac30>] (jffs2_scan_medium+0x5b4/0x1568)
[21474549.350000]  r4:00000ae5
[21474549.350000] [<c011a67c>] (jffs2_scan_medium+0x0/0x1568) from
[<c011dc04>] (jffs2_do_mount_fs+0x18c/0x584)
[21474549.350000] [<c011da78>] (jffs2_do_mount_fs+0x0/0x584) from
[<c011ff34>] (jffs2_do_fill_super+0x134/0x21c)
[21474549.350000] [<c011fe00>] (jffs2_do_fill_super+0x0/0x21c) from
[<c0120618>] (jffs2_fill_super+0xc8/0x104)
[21474549.350000]  r7:00000000 r6:00000001 r5:c7a01800 r4:c7a01400
[21474549.350000] [<c0120550>] (jffs2_fill_super+0x0/0x104) from
[<c01a3ec8>] (get_sb_mtd_aux+0x60/0xc4)
[21474549.350000]  r7:00000000 r6:00008000 r5:c7a01800 r4:c7a01800
[21474549.350000] [<c01a3e68>] (get_sb_mtd_aux+0x0/0xc4) from
[<c01a3f8c>] (get_sb_mtd_nr+0x60/0x70)
[21474549.350000] [<c01a3f2c>] (get_sb_mtd_nr+0x0/0x70) from
[<c01a40cc>] (get_sb_mtd+0x130/0x18c)
[21474549.350000]  r7:00008000 r6:c0375d28 r5:c79e7000 r4:01f00006
[21474549.350000] [<c01a3f9c>] (get_sb_mtd+0x0/0x18c) from
[<c0120320>] (jffs2_get_sb+0x24/0x30)
[21474549.350000] [<c01202fc>] (jffs2_get_sb+0x0/0x30) from
[<c00a0aa4>] (vfs_kern_mount+0x58/0xac)
[21474549.350000] [<c00a0a4c>] (vfs_kern_mount+0x0/0xac) from
[<c00a0b58>] (do_kern_mount+0x40/0xdc)
[21474549.350000]  r8:c0375d28 r7:c79f3000 r6:00000000 r5:c79e7000
r4:00008000
[21474549.350000] [<c00a0b18>] (do_kern_mount+0x0/0xdc) from
[<c00b5970>] (do_mount+0x65c/0x6cc)
[21474549.350000]  r8:c79f3000 r7:c79e6000 r6:c79e7000 r5:00000000
r4:00000000
[21474549.350000] [<c00b5314>] (do_mount+0x0/0x6cc) from [<c00b5a70>]
(sys_mount+0x90/0xdc)
[21474549.350000] [<c00b59e0>] (sys_mount+0x0/0xdc) from [<c0008ddc>]
(mount_block_root+0xf8/0x2ac)
[21474549.350000]  r7:c7938000 r6:00000000 r5:c7938006 r4:c7938000
[21474549.350000] [<c0008ce4>] (mount_block_root+0x0/0x2ac) from
[<c0008fe4>] (mount_root+0x54/0x6c)
[21474549.350000] [<c0008f90>] (mount_root+0x0/0x6c) from [<c0009178>]
(prepare_namespace+0x17c/0x1e0)
[21474549.350000]  r5:c002683c r4:c0390f64
[21474549.350000] [<c0008ffc>] (prepare_namespace+0x0/0x1e0) from
[<c000877c>] (kernel_init+0xb0/0xd8)
[21474549.350000]  r5:c0025274 r4:c0390f58
[21474549.350000] [<c00086cc>] (kernel_init+0x0/0xd8) from
[<c0046dfc>] (do_exit+0x0/0x6b0)
[21474549.350000]  r5:00000000 r4:00000000

doesn't looks good


From billk at iinet.net.au  Thu Oct  8 02:02:52 2009
From: billk at iinet.net.au (W.Kenworthy)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:02:52 +0800
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <4ACC6101.2090506@free.fr>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>
	<b77f73010910070157u6c09c314x641e7903e38b577e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910071121.29851.david@garabana.com>  <4ACC6101.2090506@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1254960172.21903.804.camel@bunyip.localdomain>

On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 11:36 +0200, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote:
> David Garabana Barro a ?crit :
> > On Wednesday 07 October 2009 10:57:02 Christ van Willegen wrote:
> >   
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Ivan Shirokov <ivanshirokoff at gmail.com> 
> >>     
> > wrote:
> >   
> >>> I've been wondering if all the freerunners are affected by bug #1024?
> >>>       
> >
> > No, not all FR are affected, AFAIK
> >
> >   
> >> I've been wondering the same thing...
> >>
> >> It would seem that the extra current draw in suspend would affect all
> >> FRs, so having a #1024 fix-party would be a good idea in any case (?).
> >>     
> >
> > #1024 is not causing extra current drain, but the software solution to this 
> > bug:
> > Not allowing Calypso entering deep sleep mode.
> >
> > You can check if your FR is suffering from #1024 editting /etc/frameworkd.conf 
> > and changing 
> >
> > ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never
> >
> > to
> >
> > ti_calypso_deep_sleep = always
> >
> > then restarting framework:
> >
> > /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart
> >
> > After doing so, if your FR suffers from this bug, your modem will continuously 
> > register/unregister from GSM network when suspended, and you will lose calls
> >

...

On my A5 I find "never" gives noticeably poorer battery life, and often
wakes from suspend at random times.  The phone also seems a lot less
rteliable with reboots need to get a working system again.

BillK

more crashes than normal (things not working/stop working) and o



From cristianpark at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 03:24:06 2009
From: cristianpark at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Cristian_G=F3mez?=)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:24:06 -0500
Subject: USB networking with Ubuntu 9.04
In-Reply-To: <3494db260910071102g38d3756ahc078eac5d298c958@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db260910060904q2621024aqce10e28531f6e03f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20091006190045.GG26619@playya-laptop>
	<3494db260910061240g171a11b3r5bd670741d6c3113@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4ACBA089.8060605@wollishausen.de>
	<d5a948d60910062023p61d5d99fofe1d460b7eb1febc@mail.gmail.com> 
	<3494db260910062352k6b39e911q1bcdb58ef96e7a95@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4ACC42E8.10502@wollishausen.de>
	<3494db260910071102g38d3756ahc078eac5d298c958@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d5a948d60910071824i3ffd8d79ocd87c29b254ce4d0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tony, thanks for giving a try to the script. I'm glad it helped you. I
just create a sub-section on the wiki page [1] where I put the script to
help others to get connected easily.

Cheers

[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Connection_Script

/***************************************
* Don't Worry.......Be Linux!!!!
* Cristian G?mez Alvarez
* Ingeniero en Sistemas y Computaci?n
* Universidad de Caldas
* Comunidad de Software Libre Manizales
* IEEE/WIE Student Member
* Linux User #463617
* Mi Blog: http://cristianpark.sehablalinux.com/
****************************************/


2009/10/7 Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com>

>
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Matthias Huber <
> matthias.huber at wollishausen.de> wrote:
>
>>  Tony Berth schrieb:
>>
>> Bingo. Thanks A LOT!
>>
>> Is it possible to update the Wiki with that one. I think this will be a
>> great help to the whole community
>>
>>  if you would tell me wich of / or both tricks did it on your system ?
>>
>>
>>>> but i had to add this two lines to my /etc/ufw/ufw.conf
>>>>
>>>> ufw allow from 192.168.0.202
>>>> ufw allow to 192.168.0.202
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> another trial with iptables needs to load some modules too:
>>>>
>>>> #!/bin/sh
>>>>
>>>> MOKO=192.168.0.202
>>>>
>>>> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
>>>>  modprobe ipt_MASQUERADE
>>>>
>>>> iptables -I FORWARD -j ACCEPT -d ${MOKO}/32
>>>> iptables -I FORWARD -j ACCEPT -s ${MOKO}/32
>>>> iptables -I POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s ${MOKO}/32
>>>>
>>>>
> what works was the script Cristian Gomez included in his reply!
>
> Just for the records, the first time I run that script it does assign the
> 192.168.0.200 IP to eth1 but can't ping/access 192.168.0.202! Then:
>
> - I disconnect Openmoko
> - connect it again
> - re-run the script and voila the connection is there!
>
> Thanks
>
> Tony
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From cvwillegen at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 07:41:40 2009
From: cvwillegen at gmail.com (Christ van Willegen)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 07:41:40 +0200
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <1254960172.21903.804.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com> 
	<b77f73010910070157u6c09c314x641e7903e38b577e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200910071121.29851.david@garabana.com> <4ACC6101.2090506@free.fr> 
	<1254960172.21903.804.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
Message-ID: <b77f73010910072241h203ed730ocdd7c8794e41ef48@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:02 AM, W.Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> wrote:
> more crashes than normal (things not working/stop working) and o

Apparently your phone crashed right in the middle if this reply!

:-)

Christ van Willegen
-- 
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0


From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 09:01:44 2009
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:01:44 +0200
Subject: QtMoko v14
In-Reply-To: <1254948833359-3784396.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1254915862.6052.26.camel@rp-skunk>
	<1254948833359-3784396.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <26fea52c0910080001w5efa5bb6qfe22ba78b9a4c05d@mail.gmail.com>

didn't know navit worked under Qtmoko!
does it fully work?

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:53 PM, ghislain <ghislain at basetrend.nl> wrote:

>
> Hi!
>
> I really like QtMoko and V14 is an improvement!
>
> Every time a new version arrives I provide the Freerunner Community in the
> Netherlands with an alternative download on  http://www.openmobile.nl/
> openmobile.nl  (this site is in Dutch).
> I also changes some basic things to the standard QtMoko version:
> * I create an sdCard installer (Android alike, by flashing qi, rootfs,
> kernel)
> * I add some packages (pkg-fso-keyring vim ntpdate nfs-common mtd-utils
> flite)
> * I add a working version of Navit  (under QX), with speech (flite) with an
> working map (Benelux) on the sdCard under the MapsNavit folder
> * I change the defaults of the fstab (swap on 2nd partition of sdCard),
> nfs-mount to host (192.168.1.200) /media/jffs2
>
> Maybe this is handy for the rest of the community too? Take a look at the
> latest (V14) installer-image:
> http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qtm14 QtMoko V14 Installer
> Image  and let me know if this is something you all like or if there need
> to
> be some changes.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://n2.nabble.com/QtMoko-v14-tp3781291p3784396.html
> Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From ivanshirokoff at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 10:18:23 2009
From: ivanshirokoff at gmail.com (ivanshirokoff at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:18:23 +0400
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <200910071501.04042.mikeumo@gmail.com>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>	<200910071255.44965.mikeumo@gmail.com>	<4ACCDCB4.6040708@ericanddebbie.com>
	<200910071501.04042.mikeumo@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACDA04F.8070100@gmail.com>

Mikhail Umorin ?????:
> On Wednesday 07 October 2009 13:23:48 Eric Olson wrote:
>   
>> Mikhail,
>>
>> This should all be on one line:
>>           print '[%s] Signal : cid=%s, lac=%s' %
>>      (datetime.datetime.now(),status['cid'],status['lac'] )
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>     
>
> Thanks, that worked. I even "warmed up" the phone with a heating pad and ran 
> the script for a couple of minutes (with deep sleep = always, of course) -- 
> and no lines in the log file! I got  A6, so, I guess, I am lucky!
>   
Did u set "ti_calypso_deep_sleep = always"
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>   



From sander at 3v8.net  Thu Oct  8 12:21:21 2009
From: sander at 3v8.net (Sander van Grieken)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:21:21 +0200
Subject: USB networking with Ubuntu 9.04
In-Reply-To: <d5a948d60910071824i3ffd8d79ocd87c29b254ce4d0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db260910060904q2621024aqce10e28531f6e03f@mail.gmail.com>
	<3494db260910071102g38d3756ahc078eac5d298c958@mail.gmail.com>
	<d5a948d60910071824i3ffd8d79ocd87c29b254ce4d0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910081221.22191.sander@3v8.net>

Why use a script that you need to run manually each time?

It can be done automatically just by putting the right stuff in /etc/network/interfaces:

auto eth2
iface eth2 inet static
  address 192.168.0.200
  netmask 255.255.255.0
  post-up iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j MASQUERADE
  post-up echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
  post-up route add -host 192.168.0.202 dev eth2
  post-up dnsmasq
  pre-down echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
  pre-down iptables -t nat -D POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j MASQUERADE
  pre-down killall dnsmasq


when you plug in the FR, eth2 will activate automatically..

grtz
Sander


On Thursday 08 October 2009 03:24:06 Cristian G?mez wrote:
> Hi Tony, thanks for giving a try to the script. I'm glad it helped you. I
> just create a sub-section on the wiki page [1] where I put the script to
> help others to get connected easily.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Connection_Script
> 
> /***************************************
> * Don't Worry.......Be Linux!!!!
> * Cristian G?mez Alvarez
> * Ingeniero en Sistemas y Computaci?n
> * Universidad de Caldas
> * Comunidad de Software Libre Manizales
> * IEEE/WIE Student Member
> * Linux User #463617
> * Mi Blog: http://cristianpark.sehablalinux.com/
> ****************************************/
> 
> 
> 2009/10/7 Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com>
> 
> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Matthias Huber <
> >
> > matthias.huber at wollishausen.de> wrote:
> >>  Tony Berth schrieb:
> >>
> >> Bingo. Thanks A LOT!
> >>
> >> Is it possible to update the Wiki with that one. I think this will be a
> >> great help to the whole community
> >>
> >>  if you would tell me wich of / or both tricks did it on your system ?
> >>
> >>>> but i had to add this two lines to my /etc/ufw/ufw.conf
> >>>>
> >>>> ufw allow from 192.168.0.202
> >>>> ufw allow to 192.168.0.202
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> another trial with iptables needs to load some modules too:
> >>>>
> >>>> #!/bin/sh
> >>>>
> >>>> MOKO=192.168.0.202
> >>>>
> >>>> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
> >>>>  modprobe ipt_MASQUERADE
> >>>>
> >>>> iptables -I FORWARD -j ACCEPT -d ${MOKO}/32
> >>>> iptables -I FORWARD -j ACCEPT -s ${MOKO}/32
> >>>> iptables -I POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s ${MOKO}/32
> >
> > what works was the script Cristian Gomez included in his reply!
> >
> > Just for the records, the first time I run that script it does assign the
> > 192.168.0.200 IP to eth1 but can't ping/access 192.168.0.202! Then:
> >
> > - I disconnect Openmoko
> > - connect it again
> > - re-run the script and voila the connection is there!
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 


From ghislain at basetrend.nl  Thu Oct  8 14:37:08 2009
From: ghislain at basetrend.nl (ghislain)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:37:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: QtMoko v14
In-Reply-To: <26fea52c0910080001w5efa5bb6qfe22ba78b9a4c05d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1254915862.6052.26.camel@rp-skunk>
	<1254948833359-3784396.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<26fea52c0910080001w5efa5bb6qfe22ba78b9a4c05d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1255005428340-3787702.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,

Yes, Navit does fully work.
-- 
View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/QtMoko-v14-tp3781291p3787702.html
Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.


From michael_zanetti at gmx.net  Thu Oct  8 14:36:25 2009
From: michael_zanetti at gmx.net (Michael Zanetti)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:36:25 +0200
Subject: [QtMoko v14] importing contacts
Message-ID: <200910081436.31497.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>

Hi all!

I decided to try QtMoko. It looks quite nice. Its fast and at a first look it 
makes a rather complete impression. However I tried to import my contacts but 
it didn't work.

I exported my addressbook from Kontact into one vcard and copied it over to 
the neo. Then I called this on the neo:

LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/opt/qtmoko/lib/" /opt/qtmoko/bin/addressbook 
/tmp/addressbook.vcf

This opened up a dialog asking me to import all my contacts and even showed 
the first 3 of them correctly in the dialog. I confirmed and it seemed to 
import everything successfully. But the contacts are not shown in the 
addressbook.

I remember on om2008 there was an option in the menu to select contacts from 
sim or from internal database. This option seems to be missing in qtmoko.

Anyone has an idea how I can bring my contacts to show up in qtmokos 
addressbook? I couldn't find much information about QtMoko in the wiki.

Thanks
Michael
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From dect at noordsee.de  Thu Oct  8 14:35:39 2009
From: dect at noordsee.de (Nekron)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:35:39 +0200
Subject: QtMoko v14 GPRS
Message-ID: <f822d0aca0393f39b8c23d33f3e13170@localhost>


Hi Radek,

thanks for your great updates on QtMoko which makes it my fav Freerunner
distribution I use. 

Now that I got an O2 mobile flat I tried yesterday to set up GPRS. I
noticed a few things which are maybe unclear or not (yet) working.

- if I set the GPRS mode to allways online. After a few seconds or maybe a
minute QTM gui freezes and I have to restart it (a bug has already been
filled)
- I found a workaround using the "when needed" option and setting the
timeout to never which makes my GPRS connection stay always online :-)
- GSM multiplexing is not working. When I am online I can not receive
calls. How hard would it to integrate gsm07mux for this?
- when I place a call beeing online the GPRS connection stops working.
However when I try to connect again after my call has finished I do not get
GPRS working again and have to reboot QTE.

Good things I noticed:

- the email client works best with IMAP IDLE so you can have email push
enabled
- when QTM is suspended it wakes up when the imap server sends a
notification and gets the new mail. Well, I havent checked out if I stay
longer than 30 mins suspended and this works, too

Cheers and please keep up your good work!
Nek



From mickey at vanille-media.de  Thu Oct  8 15:51:21 2009
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:51:21 +0200
Subject: HOWTO: Sharing SHR-U GPRS to *buntu laptop
In-Reply-To: <30e395780910071424se7bb6c4xb3108a45000dcc18@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e504410909251117x179b9a75w5cd1947a37323054@mail.gmail.com>
	<29A46562-1F0C-4A19-A2EB-379FA9155E19@vanille-media.de>
	<30e395780910071424se7bb6c4xb3108a45000dcc18@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910081551.21246.mickey@vanille-media.de>

>> Alternatively, use
>> org.freesmartphone.Network.StartConnectionSharingWithInterface usb0
>>
>> and find a dhcp server running on the FR with everything else
>> preconfigured.

>I'm having a couple of problems with this:

>$ mdbus -s
>org.freesmartphone.Network.StartConnectionSharingWithInterface usb0

>Service name not found

As per mdbus --help, you need a busname and an objectname before the method -- 
you can gather these by recursively calling mdbus -s ...

>and how would you turn it off again?

This is not implemented yet :) Add me a ticket and I'll do it.

Cheers,

:M:



From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Thu Oct  8 16:44:12 2009
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:44:12 +0200
Subject: QtMoko v14
In-Reply-To: <1254948833359-3784396.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1254915862.6052.26.camel@rp-skunk>
	<1254948833359-3784396.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1255013052.25617.6.camel@rp-glum>

ghislain wrote:

> Every time a new version arrives I provide the Freerunner Community in the
> Netherlands with an alternative download on  http://www.openmobile.nl/
> openmobile.nl  (this site is in Dutch).

Great, thanks. This is very welcome. In fact i dont know how much
bandwidth is allowed on my (activationrecord.net) server so every mirror
is welcome.

> I also changes some basic things to the standard QtMoko version:
> * I create an sdCard installer (Android alike, by flashing qi, rootfs,
> kernel)

Nice!

> * I add some packages (pkg-fso-keyring vim ntpdate nfs-common mtd-utils
> flite)

pkg-fso-keyring should have already in my image, but until now i was
lazy to figure out how to install it :)

> * I add a working version of Navit  (under QX), with speech (flite) with an
> working map (Benelux) on the sdCard under the MapsNavit folder
> * I change the defaults of the fstab (swap on 2nd partition of sdCard),
> nfs-mount to host (192.168.1.200) /media/jffs2
> 
> Maybe this is handy for the rest of the community too? Take a look at the
> latest (V14) installer-image: 
> http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qtm14 QtMoko V14 Installer
> Image  and let me know if this is something you all like or if there need to
> be some changes.

Nice pages, good work, thanks!

Radek



From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Thu Oct  8 16:53:52 2009
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:53:52 +0200
Subject: QtMoko v14 GPRS
In-Reply-To: <f822d0aca0393f39b8c23d33f3e13170@localhost>
References: <f822d0aca0393f39b8c23d33f3e13170@localhost>
Message-ID: <1255013632.25617.16.camel@rp-glum>

Nekron wrote:

> - if I set the GPRS mode to allways online. After a few seconds or maybe a
> minute QTM gui freezes and I have to restart it (a bug has already been
> filled)
> - I found a workaround using the "when needed" option and setting the
> timeout to never which makes my GPRS connection stay always online :-)

If it has workaround then it's usually on the bottom of my todo list :)
Thanks for the report, it will take some time, but i hope i will get to
it :)

> - GSM multiplexing is not working. When I am online I can not receive
> calls. How hard would it to integrate gsm07mux for this?

That would be nice but also a lot of work. Using FSO would make it
easier to port to new devices and the FSO codebase seems to be quite
stable and maintained.

> - when I place a call beeing online the GPRS connection stops working.
> However when I try to connect again after my call has finished I do not get
> GPRS working again and have to reboot QTE.

Same here...

> Cheers and please keep up your good work!
> Nek

I will try :)

Regards

Radek



From mikeumo at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 17:33:50 2009
From: mikeumo at gmail.com (Mikhail Umorin)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:33:50 -0500
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <4ACDA04F.8070100@gmail.com>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910071501.04042.mikeumo@gmail.com> <4ACDA04F.8070100@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910081033.50363.mikeumo@gmail.com>

On Thursday 08 October 2009 03:18:23 ivanshirokoff at gmail.com wrote:
> Mikhail Umorin ?????:
> > On Wednesday 07 October 2009 13:23:48 Eric Olson wrote:
> >> Mikhail,
> >>
> >> This should all be on one line:
> >>           print '[%s] Signal : cid=%s, lac=%s' %
> >>      (datetime.datetime.now(),status['cid'],status['lac'] )
> >>
> >> Eric
> >
> > Thanks, that worked. I even "warmed up" the phone with a heating pad and
> > ran the script for a couple of minutes (with deep sleep = always, of
> > course) -- and no lines in the log file! I got  A6, so, I guess, I am
> > lucky!
>
> Did u set "ti_calypso_deep_sleep = always"
>

Yes, I did. I ran the script overnight (ca. 12 hours) and this is what I got:

[2009-10-07 21:51:05.999018] Signal : cid=2B04, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 21:51:43.439188] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 21:57:45.501663] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 21:58:09.491458] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 21:58:32.559254] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 21:58:51.403635] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 22:08:04.577409] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 22:08:27.640410] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 22:27:56.636141] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 22:28:32.396817] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 22:30:09.581581] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 22:30:11.996154] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 22:37:01.968110] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 22:37:04.771834] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 22:38:38.016193] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 22:38:40.456745] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 22:38:59.501991] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 22:42:20.996318] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 22:42:41.712490] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 22:46:37.117484] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 22:47:37.377656] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 22:48:08.620849] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 22:48:11.086460] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 22:48:24.942362] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 22:56:21.373120] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 22:56:34.555647] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 22:57:32.640541] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 22:57:34.357571] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:00:00.492293] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:00:02.896863] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:00:32.467281] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:00:34.916526] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:02:17.305925] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:02:43.192305] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:04:19.394357] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:04:21.135537] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:05:49.777196] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:05:51.518800] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:07:29.914118] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:08:10.858446] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:08:39.108456] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:08:48.990273] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:09:09.703847] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:09:58.673736] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:10:37.900469] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:10:39.648699] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:10:53.301876] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:11:40.357405] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:12:32.612333] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:14:03.482989] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:14:33.618424] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:16:29.897189] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:17:30.151953] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:18:11.762712] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:18:13.486081] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:18:45.666565] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:18:47.392123] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:19:17.667250] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:19:19.516853] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:19:51.562417] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:19:53.302078] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:21:40.612072] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:21:54.268411] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:22:24.095872] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:22:25.828675] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:22:54.225873] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:22:55.967579] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:24:39.508603] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
[2009-10-07 23:24:53.180934] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
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[2009-10-08 09:51:43.883448] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775


So, is this a 1k bug or normal? Signal strength was varying 3-4 bars on the 
top shelf indicator.


From cchandel at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  8 17:50:20 2009
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:50:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Fwd: buzzfix in India
In-Reply-To: <4AB9130E.2070802@gmail.com>
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Hi Guys,
  I will be in Delhi from the 13th till the 20th. I would like to take my FR
in for the buzzfix at Baig Electronics preferably on the 13th/14th or the
15th if possible.
  Can you let me know what I need to do?
Thanks    
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From rms at 1407.org  Thu Oct  8 18:57:38 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:57:38 +0100
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <200910081033.50363.mikeumo@gmail.com>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910071501.04042.mikeumo@gmail.com> <4ACDA04F.8070100@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20091008165738.GB25095@roque.1407.org>

either you are in a zone with weak signal from 4508 and 2DF1 (so you
jump frequently from one to the other) or yes, you probably are suffering
from #1024 :(

On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 10:33:50AM -0500, Mikhail Umorin wrote:
> On Thursday 08 October 2009 03:18:23 ivanshirokoff at gmail.com wrote:
> > Mikhail Umorin ?????:
> > > On Wednesday 07 October 2009 13:23:48 Eric Olson wrote:
> > >> Mikhail,
> > >>
> > >> This should all be on one line:
> > >>           print '[%s] Signal : cid=%s, lac=%s' %
> > >>      (datetime.datetime.now(),status['cid'],status['lac'] )
> > >>
> > >> Eric
> > >
> > > Thanks, that worked. I even "warmed up" the phone with a heating pad and
> > > ran the script for a couple of minutes (with deep sleep = always, of
> > > course) -- and no lines in the log file! I got  A6, so, I guess, I am
> > > lucky!
> >
> > Did u set "ti_calypso_deep_sleep = always"
> >
> 
> Yes, I did. I ran the script overnight (ca. 12 hours) and this is what I got:
> 
> [2009-10-07 21:51:05.999018] Signal : cid=2B04, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 21:51:43.439188] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 21:57:45.501663] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 21:58:09.491458] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 21:58:32.559254] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 21:58:51.403635] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 22:08:04.577409] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 22:08:27.640410] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 22:27:56.636141] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 22:28:32.396817] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 22:30:09.581581] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 22:30:11.996154] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 22:37:01.968110] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 22:37:04.771834] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 22:38:38.016193] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 22:38:40.456745] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 22:38:59.501991] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 22:42:20.996318] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 22:42:41.712490] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 22:46:37.117484] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 22:47:37.377656] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 22:48:08.620849] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 22:48:11.086460] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 22:48:24.942362] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 22:56:21.373120] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 22:56:34.555647] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 22:57:32.640541] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 22:57:34.357571] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:00:00.492293] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:00:02.896863] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:00:32.467281] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:00:34.916526] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:02:17.305925] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:02:43.192305] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:04:19.394357] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:04:21.135537] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:05:49.777196] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:05:51.518800] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:07:29.914118] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:08:10.858446] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:08:39.108456] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:08:48.990273] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:09:09.703847] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:09:58.673736] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:10:37.900469] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:10:39.648699] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:10:53.301876] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:11:40.357405] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:12:32.612333] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:14:03.482989] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:14:33.618424] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:16:29.897189] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:17:30.151953] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:18:11.762712] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:18:13.486081] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:18:45.666565] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:18:47.392123] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:19:17.667250] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:19:19.516853] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:19:51.562417] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:19:53.302078] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:21:40.612072] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:21:54.268411] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:22:24.095872] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:22:25.828675] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:22:54.225873] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:22:55.967579] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:24:39.508603] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:24:53.180934] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:25:22.072722] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:25:24.496914] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:25:55.956373] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:25:58.397659] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:26:12.263459] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:26:43.803461] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:27:17.694092] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:28:14.670874] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:28:47.367637] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:28:49.773459] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:30:59.156017] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:31:01.895962] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:32:03.944728] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:32:28.419000] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:33:44.870607] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:33:47.308593] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:34:42.312198] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:34:44.030697] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:35:12.421517] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:35:14.173178] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:35:47.360484] Signal : cid=2B21, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:35:57.458449] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:37:10.907102] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:37:50.942159] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:39:01.266447] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:39:03.673396] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:39:47.681879] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:40:47.472118] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:41:40.371261] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:41:43.511304] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:42:02.796856] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:42:41.602223] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:42:44.007280] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:43:49.407370] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:43:51.803476] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:44:58.406085] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:44:59.847228] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:45:13.469159] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:47:24.996524] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:47:26.728211] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:48:08.601411] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:48:32.605615] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:49:16.407664] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:49:51.700323] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:50:18.758083] Signal : cid=2B04, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:50:47.967252] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:51:50.506265] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:51:52.251409] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:52:44.953016] Signal : cid=4507, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:53:08.028975] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:54:45.953213] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:55:02.423758] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:56:05.692517] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:56:08.131941] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:56:21.993480] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:56:50.242525] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:58:07.453946] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:58:47.635950] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:58:50.072523] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:59:52.617442] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-07 23:59:55.756795] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:00:09.857175] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:01:20.168153] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:01:22.623667] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:01:45.908740] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:02:23.292538] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:02:25.006840] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:02:55.306717] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:02:58.421804] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:03:12.522272] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:04:04.952275] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:04:06.691636] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:04:20.327689] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:04:56.742590] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:04:59.196997] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:05:22.463778] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:05:56.050874] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:05:57.798689] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:07:17.050478] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:07:18.766914] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:07:51.865912] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:07:54.312152] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:08:27.661455] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:08:30.102321] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:10:25.361945] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:10:27.096306] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:11:01.150487] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:11:04.288399] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:11:18.391206] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:11:44.272102] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:12:01.696779] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:12:40.009784] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:12:42.436678] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:13:13.272627] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:13:31.636833] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:13:50.950189] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:14:09.297146] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:14:51.816568] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:14:54.256464] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:15:26.660792] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:15:28.406591] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:16:02.442505] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:16:04.176330] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:16:36.356856] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:16:39.502663] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:17:03.040315] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:18:17.853619] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:18:38.573994] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:19:20.472728] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:19:40.710859] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:20:14.609067] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:20:27.794349] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:21:01.856902] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:21:03.603469] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:21:31.821137] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:22:05.897254] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:22:07.628686] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:23:00.360233] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:23:15.875405] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:23:52.322259] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:23:54.736425] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:24:50.676135] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:24:53.130707] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:25:06.987589] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:25:59.251226] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:26:31.727314] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:30:30.901298] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:30:47.368635] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:33:38.905875] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:33:40.642190] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:34:14.998657] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:34:33.816890] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:35:05.537522] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:35:07.273666] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:36:01.101926] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:36:03.527159] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:36:17.383593] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:36:51.306731] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:37:13.882315] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:37:45.894002] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:38:25.447082] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:39:20.053470] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:39:38.411125] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:40:45.442471] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:40:47.885266] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:41:01.746975] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:42:24.606026] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:43:04.157072] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:43:39.647633] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:43:42.791833] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:43:56.897395] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:44:54.783581] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:45:12.215305] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:48:34.356121] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 00:48:36.790028] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
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> [2009-10-08 06:57:30.396838] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 06:58:07.765477] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 06:58:09.493441] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 06:58:45.437264] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 06:58:47.171252] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:00:43.150837] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:00:45.563370] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:01:22.677589] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:01:25.127051] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:01:57.807027] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:02:25.752214] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:02:27.500464] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:03:05.307147] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
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> [2009-10-08 07:03:46.726962] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:03:48.473611] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
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> [2009-10-08 07:07:22.351338] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:07:24.790067] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:10:01.789108] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:10:25.791875] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:11:39.246393] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:12:03.708228] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:13:22.808915] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:13:38.347118] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:14:07.767048] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:14:21.663427] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:14:57.156986] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:14:58.891013] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:15:12.503623] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:16:05.247044] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:16:29.718440] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:17:11.791227] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:17:14.223851] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:17:48.500697] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:17:50.253656] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:18:25.252427] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:18:27.676329] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:20:34.051203] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:20:59.025656] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:21:28.832420] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:21:30.573332] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:22:30.041277] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:22:32.481320] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
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> [2009-10-08 07:31:28.656602] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:31:31.076721] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:32:03.763944] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:32:28.253582] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:32:58.076115] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:32:59.813453] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:34:47.139687] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:35:00.786622] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:35:35.347007] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:35:37.762441] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:36:13.002410] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:36:15.426822] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:36:45.952397] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:36:49.112172] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:37:03.208926] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:38:16.160594] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:38:29.351877] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
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> [2009-10-08 07:39:33.378128] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 07:41:45.665734] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
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> [2009-10-08 09:10:15.288615] Signal : cid=2CED, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 09:10:17.651546] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
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> [2009-10-08 09:42:58.012148] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
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> [2009-10-08 09:44:34.522507] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 09:45:19.252407] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 09:45:34.783761] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 09:46:03.681167] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
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> [2009-10-08 09:46:51.521821] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 09:47:12.238952] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 09:47:44.016870] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 09:48:03.092320] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 09:49:23.323208] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 09:49:25.735144] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 09:49:59.087701] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 09:50:01.523669] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 09:50:30.135889] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 09:50:31.881954] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 09:50:45.518576] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 09:51:26.644171] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 09:51:29.788228] Signal : cid=4506, lac=2775
> [2009-10-08 09:51:43.883448] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> 
> 
> So, is this a 1k bug or normal? Signal strength was varying 3-4 bars on the 
> top shelf indicator.
> 
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From ssj2micvm at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 20:24:31 2009
From: ssj2micvm at gmail.com (Michele Brocco)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:24:31 +0200
Subject: How to transfer my contacts from my QtExtended GTA01 to my SHR 
	GTA02
In-Reply-To: <6193c9410910031900q5d1ff60w2580b8d6aa95668b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6193c9410910031900q5d1ff60w2580b8d6aa95668b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f36e37470910081124i46f7f9ai510f8d9edc5ee779@mail.gmail.com>

you can copy your qtopia_db.sqlite file from the qtopia folder on your
home (i guess it was /home/root/Applications/Qtopia) directory to shr
and then use pisi (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pisi)

under shr afaik there is no addressbook that comprehensively supports
all fields supported on qtopia yet (correct me if I am wrong). but u
can sync at least with your sim card and u will have all the numbers
as single entries.

hope this helps

On 10/4/09, Pablo Mi?o <pablodanielmino at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear community,
>
> I need to transfer my contacts from my QtExtended 4.4.2 GTA01 to my
> SHR GTA02 I have been failing all the time.
> Can anyone point me in the right direction? Is it possible to scp
> files from one to another? Thank you very much.
>
> --
> Pablo Mi?o
>
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From tingox at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 20:51:19 2009
From: tingox at gmail.com (Torfinn Ingolfsen)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:51:19 +0200
Subject: [QtMoko v14] importing contacts
In-Reply-To: <200910081436.31497.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
References: <200910081436.31497.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <ef8c8a880910081151j6c7d793fi66589650220771cb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Michael Zanetti <michael_zanetti at gmx.net>wrote:

> I exported my addressbook from Kontact into one vcard and copied it over to
> the neo. Then I called this on the neo:
>
> LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/opt/qtmoko/lib/" /opt/qtmoko/bin/addressbook
> /tmp/addressbook.vcf
>

FWIW, I did this (but via a ssh'ed shell):

root at neo:~# source /opt/*qtmoko*/qpe.env

root at neo:/root# DISPLAY=:0 LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/*qtmoko*/lib /opt/*qtmoko*
/bin/*addressbook* /home/root/Documents/phone.vcf

If you do the work from the terminal on the Neo, you shouldn't need to
source qpe.env, I think.

HTH
-- 
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From tingox at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 21:00:22 2009
From: tingox at gmail.com (Torfinn Ingolfsen)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:00:22 +0200
Subject: How to transfer my contacts from my QtExtended GTA01 to my SHR 
	GTA02
In-Reply-To: <f36e37470910081124i46f7f9ai510f8d9edc5ee779@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6193c9410910031900q5d1ff60w2580b8d6aa95668b@mail.gmail.com>
	<f36e37470910081124i46f7f9ai510f8d9edc5ee779@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ef8c8a880910081200l58f9f81v7de6430213fc140d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Michele Brocco <ssj2micvm at gmail.com> wrote:

> you can copy your qtopia_db.sqlite file from the qtopia folder on your
> home (i guess it was /home/root/Applications/Qtopia) directory to shr
> and then use pisi (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pisi)
>
>
Does anyone know if Pisis will work under QtMoko?
It looks like it could import my address book (.vcf).

-- 
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From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Thu Oct  8 21:15:22 2009
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 22:15:22 +0300
Subject: USB networking with Ubuntu 9.04
In-Reply-To: <200910081221.22191.sander@3v8.net>
References: <3494db260910060904q2621024aqce10e28531f6e03f@mail.gmail.com>
	<3494db260910071102g38d3756ahc078eac5d298c958@mail.gmail.com>
	<d5a948d60910071824i3ffd8d79ocd87c29b254ce4d0@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910081221.22191.sander@3v8.net>
Message-ID: <3494db260910081215g1b5d6f7br97e023793ea6bb96@mail.gmail.com>

did try that and did work when I was using a debian 5 box but no chance with
ubuntu 9.04 :(

Thanks

Tony

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Sander van Grieken <sander at 3v8.net> wrote:

> Why use a script that you need to run manually each time?
>
> It can be done automatically just by putting the right stuff in
> /etc/network/interfaces:
>
> auto eth2
> iface eth2 inet static
>   address 192.168.0.200
>   netmask 255.255.255.0
>   post-up iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j MASQUERADE
>  post-up echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
>  post-up route add -host 192.168.0.202 dev eth2
>  post-up dnsmasq
>  pre-down echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
>  pre-down iptables -t nat -D POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j MASQUERADE
>  pre-down killall dnsmasq
>
>
> when you plug in the FR, eth2 will activate automatically..
>
> grtz
> Sander
>
>
> On Thursday 08 October 2009 03:24:06 Cristian G?mez wrote:
> > Hi Tony, thanks for giving a try to the script. I'm glad it helped you. I
> > just create a sub-section on the wiki page [1] where I put the script to
> > help others to get connected easily.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Connection_Script
> >
> > /***************************************
> > * Don't Worry.......Be Linux!!!!
> > * Cristian G?mez Alvarez
> > * Ingeniero en Sistemas y Computaci?n
> > * Universidad de Caldas
> > * Comunidad de Software Libre Manizales
> > * IEEE/WIE Student Member
> > * Linux User #463617
> > * Mi Blog: http://cristianpark.sehablalinux.com/
> > ****************************************/
> >
> >
> > 2009/10/7 Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com>
> >
> > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Matthias Huber <
> > >
> > > matthias.huber at wollishausen.de> wrote:
> > >>  Tony Berth schrieb:
> > >>
> > >> Bingo. Thanks A LOT!
> > >>
> > >> Is it possible to update the Wiki with that one. I think this will be
> a
> > >> great help to the whole community
> > >>
> > >>  if you would tell me wich of / or both tricks did it on your system ?
> > >>
> > >>>> but i had to add this two lines to my /etc/ufw/ufw.conf
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ufw allow from 192.168.0.202
> > >>>> ufw allow to 192.168.0.202
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> another trial with iptables needs to load some modules too:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> #!/bin/sh
> > >>>>
> > >>>> MOKO=192.168.0.202
> > >>>>
> > >>>> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
> > >>>>  modprobe ipt_MASQUERADE
> > >>>>
> > >>>> iptables -I FORWARD -j ACCEPT -d ${MOKO}/32
> > >>>> iptables -I FORWARD -j ACCEPT -s ${MOKO}/32
> > >>>> iptables -I POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s ${MOKO}/32
> > >
> > > what works was the script Cristian Gomez included in his reply!
> > >
> > > Just for the records, the first time I run that script it does assign
> the
> > > 192.168.0.200 IP to eth1 but can't ping/access 192.168.0.202! Then:
> > >
> > > - I disconnect Openmoko
> > > - connect it again
> > > - re-run the script and voila the connection is there!
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Tony
> > >
> > >
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> >
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From pablodanielmino at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 21:56:33 2009
From: pablodanielmino at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pablo_Mi=F1o?=)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:56:33 -0200
Subject: How to transfer my contacts from my QtExtended GTA01 to my SHR 
	GTA02
In-Reply-To: <ef8c8a880910081200l58f9f81v7de6430213fc140d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6193c9410910031900q5d1ff60w2580b8d6aa95668b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f36e37470910081124i46f7f9ai510f8d9edc5ee779@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ef8c8a880910081200l58f9f81v7de6430213fc140d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6193c9410910081256y1db0281fg9bb9306f00ec3215@mail.gmail.com>

I was urged, so I managed to transfer my contacts via sms. It was not
elegant but I got it working...
Anyway, I am interested in that incompatibilities. I thought that all
distros implemented contacts in a standard manner, but is there a
standard at all?

Thank you all.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 17:00, Torfinn Ingolfsen <tingox at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Michele Brocco <ssj2micvm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> you can copy your qtopia_db.sqlite file from the qtopia folder on your
>> home (i guess it was /home/root/Applications/Qtopia) directory to shr
>> and then use pisi (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pisi)
>>
>
> Does anyone know if Pisis will work under QtMoko?
> It looks like it could import my address book (.vcf).
>
> --
> Regards,
> Torfinn Ingolfsen
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>



-- 
Pablo Mi?o


From eric at ericanddebbie.com  Thu Oct  8 22:19:46 2009
From: eric at ericanddebbie.com (Eric Olson)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:19:46 -0500
Subject: USB networking with Ubuntu 9.04
In-Reply-To: <3494db260910081215g1b5d6f7br97e023793ea6bb96@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db260910060904q2621024aqce10e28531f6e03f@mail.gmail.com>	<3494db260910071102g38d3756ahc078eac5d298c958@mail.gmail.com>	<d5a948d60910071824i3ffd8d79ocd87c29b254ce4d0@mail.gmail.com>	<200910081221.22191.sander@3v8.net>
	<3494db260910081215g1b5d6f7br97e023793ea6bb96@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACE4962.7000403@ericanddebbie.com>

I copied Sander's exact lines into /etc/network/interfaces (I changed 
eth2 to usb0 -- I don't know if that matters) on my ubuntu 9.04 laptop 
and it's working for me.  I have plugged and unplugged the cable a 
couple times and no longer have to run my manual script each time.

Thanks!
Eric

Tony Berth wrote:
> did try that and did work when I was using a debian 5 box but no chance with
> ubuntu 9.04 :(
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tony
> 
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Sander van Grieken <sander at 3v8.net> wrote:
> 
>> Why use a script that you need to run manually each time?
>>
>> It can be done automatically just by putting the right stuff in
>> /etc/network/interfaces:
>>
>> auto eth2
>> iface eth2 inet static
>>   address 192.168.0.200
>>   netmask 255.255.255.0
>>   post-up iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j MASQUERADE
>>  post-up echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
>>  post-up route add -host 192.168.0.202 dev eth2
>>  post-up dnsmasq
>>  pre-down echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
>>  pre-down iptables -t nat -D POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j MASQUERADE
>>  pre-down killall dnsmasq
>>
>>
>> when you plug in the FR, eth2 will activate automatically..
>>
>> grtz
>> Sander
>>
>>
>> On Thursday 08 October 2009 03:24:06 Cristian G?mez wrote:
>>> Hi Tony, thanks for giving a try to the script. I'm glad it helped you. I
>>> just create a sub-section on the wiki page [1] where I put the script to
>>> help others to get connected easily.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Connection_Script
>>>
>>> /***************************************
>>> * Don't Worry.......Be Linux!!!!
>>> * Cristian G?mez Alvarez
>>> * Ingeniero en Sistemas y Computaci?n
>>> * Universidad de Caldas
>>> * Comunidad de Software Libre Manizales
>>> * IEEE/WIE Student Member
>>> * Linux User #463617
>>> * Mi Blog: http://cristianpark.sehablalinux.com/
>>> ****************************************/
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/10/7 Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com>
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Matthias Huber <
>>>>
>>>> matthias.huber at wollishausen.de> wrote:
>>>>>  Tony Berth schrieb:
>>>>>
>>>>> Bingo. Thanks A LOT!
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it possible to update the Wiki with that one. I think this will be
>> a
>>>>> great help to the whole community
>>>>>
>>>>>  if you would tell me wich of / or both tricks did it on your system ?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> but i had to add this two lines to my /etc/ufw/ufw.conf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ufw allow from 192.168.0.202
>>>>>>> ufw allow to 192.168.0.202
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> another trial with iptables needs to load some modules too:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> #!/bin/sh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MOKO=192.168.0.202
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
>>>>>>>  modprobe ipt_MASQUERADE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> iptables -I FORWARD -j ACCEPT -d ${MOKO}/32
>>>>>>> iptables -I FORWARD -j ACCEPT -s ${MOKO}/32
>>>>>>> iptables -I POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s ${MOKO}/32
>>>> what works was the script Cristian Gomez included in his reply!
>>>>
>>>> Just for the records, the first time I run that script it does assign
>> the
>>>> 192.168.0.200 IP to eth1 but can't ping/access 192.168.0.202! Then:
>>>>
>>>> - I disconnect Openmoko
>>>> - connect it again
>>>> - re-run the script and voila the connection is there!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>>
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From vfebvre at easter-eggs.com  Thu Oct  8 22:20:52 2009
From: vfebvre at easter-eggs.com (Valery Febvre)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:20:52 +0200
Subject: [FSO based] NeoLight 1.2.0 released
Message-ID: <4ACE49A4.3090800@easter-eggs.com>

Hello,

NeoLight 1.2.0 was released.

Changes since 1.1.0:
    * Speed up startup again (~2 seconds less), now it takes ~3 seconds.
    * Fixed a bug in "Custom Color". It was impossible to set the red and
      the blue colors to 0.

Package: http://neolight.googlecode.com/files/neolight_1.2.0-r0_all.ipk

========================================================================

NeoLight turns your Neo into a flashlight.

It flips the brightness up to full and displays a fullscreen bright
white rectangle.

Features
========
* Bright white or colored (red/green/blue/custom) screen
* Brightness dimmer
* Strobe light mode (with adjustable speed)
* Just tap the top left corner of screen to dim brightness to minimum,
and the top right corner to flip the brightness up to the level defined
in settings.

It is written in Python/Elementary.

NeoLight is tested on SHR unstable only but should work with all FSO
based distributions.

Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/neolight/

-- 
Val?ry


From mikeumo at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 23:15:49 2009
From: mikeumo at gmail.com (Mikhail Umorin)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:15:49 -0500
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <20091008165738.GB25095@roque.1407.org>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910081033.50363.mikeumo@gmail.com>
	<20091008165738.GB25095@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <200910081615.49457.mikeumo@gmail.com>

On Thursday 08 October 2009 11:57:38 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> either you are in a zone with weak signal from 4508 and 2DF1 (so you
> jump frequently from one to the other) or yes, you probably are suffering
> from #1024 :(
>

What's the best way to differentiate? Stand by a cell tower and wait for a 
couple of hours?


From michael_zanetti at gmx.net  Thu Oct  8 23:34:04 2009
From: michael_zanetti at gmx.net (Michael Zanetti)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:34:04 +0200
Subject: [QtMoko v14] importing contacts
In-Reply-To: <ef8c8a880910081151j6c7d793fi66589650220771cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910081436.31497.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<ef8c8a880910081151j6c7d793fi66589650220771cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910082334.09230.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>

On Thursday 08 October 2009 20:51:19 Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Michael Zanetti 
<michael_zanetti at gmx.net>wrote:
> > I exported my addressbook from Kontact into one vcard and copied it over
> > to the neo. Then I called this on the neo:
> >
> > LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/opt/qtmoko/lib/" /opt/qtmoko/bin/addressbook
> > /tmp/addressbook.vcf
> 
> FWIW, I did this (but via a ssh'ed shell):
> 
> root at neo:~# source /opt/*qtmoko*/qpe.env
> 
> root at neo:/root# DISPLAY=:0 LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/*qtmoko*/lib /opt/*qtmoko*
> /bin/*addressbook* /home/root/Documents/phone.vcf
> 

Thanks! sourcing qpe.env fixed it! 

Michael
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From christian at exinto.de  Thu Oct  8 23:51:47 2009
From: christian at exinto.de (Christian)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:51:47 +0200
Subject: evopedia 0.2.3 release
Message-ID: <4ACE5EF3.9010402@exinto.de>

Hi!

evopedia version 0.2.3 is ready, the main new features include:
- tangogps tile repository can be selected for article map
- article map has been improved
- your own position should be displayed on the map and you can zoom to it
- the text links have been replaced by icons
- article search is faster (1-3 seconds) for newly built images (at the
moment only German Wikipedia and French in the next days), old images
stay compatible

I hope you enjoy it. Unfortunately, due to some problems with my device
I was not able to test it to the full extent. Please report any bugs you
encounter.

Direct link to the .ipk:
http://www.reitwiessner.de/openmoko/evopedia_0.2.3_any.ipk


Evopedia is an offline Wikipedia reader that can be viewed using any
browser you like (midori is the default). You need to download a
Wikipedia dump (apart from the software also available there) from

http://www.reitwiessner.de/openmoko/evopedia.html

The following dump languages are available at the moment:
Dutch, French, German, Italian, Polish and Spanish.


From stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk  Fri Oct  9 01:31:43 2009
From: stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk (Stroller)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 00:31:43 +0100
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <200910081615.49457.mikeumo@gmail.com>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910081033.50363.mikeumo@gmail.com>
	<20091008165738.GB25095@roque.1407.org>
	<200910081615.49457.mikeumo@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B633E781-FC48-4A1C-8E89-BE672C833F28@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>


On 8 Oct 2009, at 22:15, Mikhail Umorin wrote:
> On Thursday 08 October 2009 11:57:38 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
>> either you are in a zone with weak signal from 4508 and 2DF1 (so you
>> jump frequently from one to the other) or yes, you probably are  
>> suffering
>> from #1024 :(
>>
>
> What's the best way to differentiate? Stand by a cell tower and wait  
> for a
> couple of hours?

It has already been posted here:

    Under normal circumstances you would only see these messages with a
    change of cell, so cid would be different. The only time I know of
    that you might legitimately see repeated reconnection to the same  
cell
    is if you've got very low signal and it's the only cell visible.

I am really unclear why you feel the need to ask - yet again - if  
you're affected by #1024, when all the symptoms so clearly seem to  
point to it.

Your Freerunner is of one of the batches affected, yes?

Your Freerunner is reregistering. Obviously.

Do you really have reason to believe you're in an area which receives  
poor coverage from these two towers? What signal strength do mobile  
phones generally show in your house? Or are you just grasping at  
straws, hoping your Freerunner is unaffected?

Stroller.


From mikeumo at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 03:01:33 2009
From: mikeumo at gmail.com (Mikhail Umorin)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:01:33 -0500
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <B633E781-FC48-4A1C-8E89-BE672C833F28@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910081615.49457.mikeumo@gmail.com>
	<B633E781-FC48-4A1C-8E89-BE672C833F28@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200910082001.33418.mikeumo@gmail.com>

On Thursday 08 October 2009 18:31:43 Stroller wrote:
> On 8 Oct 2009, at 22:15, Mikhail Umorin wrote:
> > On Thursday 08 October 2009 11:57:38 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> >> either you are in a zone with weak signal from 4508 and 2DF1 (so you
> >> jump frequently from one to the other) or yes, you probably are
> >> suffering
> >> from #1024 :(
> >
> > What's the best way to differentiate? Stand by a cell tower and wait
> > for a
> > couple of hours?
>
> It has already been posted here:
>
>     Under normal circumstances you would only see these messages with a
>     change of cell, so cid would be different. The only time I know of
>     that you might legitimately see repeated reconnection to the same
> cell
>     is if you've got very low signal and it's the only cell visible.
>
> I am really unclear why you feel the need to ask - yet again - if
> you're affected by #1024, when all the symptoms so clearly seem to
> point to it.
>
> Your Freerunner is of one of the batches affected, yes?
>
> Your Freerunner is reregistering. Obviously.
>
> Do you really have reason to believe you're in an area which receives
> poor coverage from these two towers? What signal strength do mobile
> phones generally show in your house? Or are you just grasping at
> straws, hoping your Freerunner is unaffected?
>
> Stroller.
>

Grasping at straws :)


From elektranox at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 03:18:24 2009
From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 03:18:24 +0200
Subject: evopedia 0.2.3 release
In-Reply-To: <4ACE5EF3.9010402@exinto.de>
References: <4ACE5EF3.9010402@exinto.de>
Message-ID: <20091009011824.GA8834@earth.universe>

On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 11:51:47PM +0200, Christian wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> evopedia version 0.2.3 is ready, the main new features include:
> - tangogps tile repository can be selected for article map
> - article map has been improved
> - your own position should be displayed on the map and you can zoom to it
> - the text links have been replaced by icons
> - article search is faster (1-3 seconds) for newly built images (at the
> moment only German Wikipedia and French in the next days), old images
> stay compatible
> 
> I hope you enjoy it. Unfortunately, due to some problems with my device
> I was not able to test it to the full extent. Please report any bugs you
> encounter.
> 
> Direct link to the .ipk:
> http://www.reitwiessner.de/openmoko/evopedia_0.2.3_any.ipk
> 
> 
> Evopedia is an offline Wikipedia reader that can be viewed using any
> browser you like (midori is the default). You need to download a
> Wikipedia dump (apart from the software also available there) from
> 
> http://www.reitwiessner.de/openmoko/evopedia.html
> 
> The following dump languages are available at the moment:
> Dutch, French, German, Italian, Polish and Spanish.

Hi,

I'm interested in packaging your software for Debian. Can you please
provide a source tarball? On the website you state, that the
software is released under GPLv3+, but I can't find any sourcecode :(

-- Sebastian Reichel
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From pablodanielmino at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 04:19:41 2009
From: pablodanielmino at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pablo_Mi=F1o?=)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 00:19:41 -0200
Subject: QtMoko v14 unable to send sms???
Message-ID: <6193c9410910081919v1bf02138p5ee3a86ff05a780e@mail.gmail.com>

I am unable to reply sms because there is no send option! There is a
delete option instead. How do I solve this?

-- 
Pablo Mi?o


From thomas.franck at gmx.com  Fri Oct  9 09:23:57 2009
From: thomas.franck at gmx.com (Thomas Franck)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 09:23:57 +0200
Subject: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
In-Reply-To: <792ba59f0910071624j4d901d9bx992bc99f0b91cdac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC31589.3050001@gmx.com>	<792ba59f0909300330qe93b964gf109b6a888bf70b6@mail.gmail.com>	<4AC3B20B.7060905@gmx.com>	<792ba59f0910010353q4bd4a72bud4f38757136d3a5e@mail.gmail.com>	<4AC664A9.4090702@gmx.com>	<26fea52c0910050153w37f1d229k6d57dce98ef19526@mail.gmail.com>	<4ACA3AAE.3030908@gmx.com>
	<792ba59f0910071624j4d901d9bx992bc99f0b91cdac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACEE50D.4090906@gmx.com>

Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau wrote:
> I still think that its somehow connected with kernel, at least:
>
> [snip: ugly Kernel Messages]
> 
> doesn't looks good

How did you manage to copy those messages? is it because it eventually
boots your FR?

Cheers,
-- 
Thomas

-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
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From mobi at mobiphil.com  Fri Oct  9 10:27:12 2009
From: mobi at mobiphil.com (mobi phil)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:27:12 +0200
Subject: [qtmoko] cannot flash v14
Message-ID: <a4875c0e0910090127m32810827yfed7b05c074d9b1e@mail.gmail.com>

Tried twice, but got following error... earlier images worked. Dfu-ing
the kernel worked however, and it boots (obvious), but after lots of
jffs2 errors.. hangs



XXXXXXXX/qtmoko$ sudo dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D qtmoko-debian-v14.jffs2
[sudo] password for XXXXX:
dfu-util - (C) 2007-2008 by OpenMoko Inc.
This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY

Opening USB Device 0x0000:0x0000...
Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=7, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name="rootfs"
Claiming USB DFU Interface...
Setting Alternate Setting ...
Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14
dfuERROR, clearing status
Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0
dfuIDLE, continuing
Transfer Size = 0x1000
bytes_per_hash=2152707
Starting download:
[#########################################dfu_download error -71
Error during download


-- 
rgrds,
mobi phil

being mobile, but including technology
http://mobiphil.com


From david at tuxbrain.com  Fri Oct  9 10:28:58 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:28:58 +0200
Subject: [RFC] Qi Bootmenu
In-Reply-To: <200910091024.15086.sander@3v8.net>
References: <20091008205000.GA7039@debbook.brain-dump.org>
	<5c6ceea80910081608g222cb1c3ya006597d487ebfc8@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c6ceea80910081609i3e927547i9ddfdc719f9fc2f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910091024.15086.sander@3v8.net>
Message-ID: <5c6ceea80910090128yee8b6abj6b2a549b33f0672e@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/9 Sander van Grieken <sander at 3v8.net>:
>> > if speed is a main factor why just keep the boot loader in text mode
>> > selectionable with aux+power , a kind of dinamic uboot
>>
>> sorry I mean why NOT just keep...
>
> Also a great idea, but I was commenting on the thoughts of Marc, ?who more or less
> alreaqdy decided on that it should be graphical :)
>
> grtz,
> Sander
>
I forget to add copy to the list,
Ok a simple gui should not add to much load on the whole process indeed

David Reyes Samblas Martinez
http://www.tuxbrain.com
Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!


From tingox at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 10:58:22 2009
From: tingox at gmail.com (Torfinn Ingolfsen)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:58:22 +0200
Subject: QtMoko v14 unable to send sms???
In-Reply-To: <6193c9410910081919v1bf02138p5ee3a86ff05a780e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6193c9410910081919v1bf02138p5ee3a86ff05a780e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ef8c8a880910090158x3e930190xb5ba5b5e6473df0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

2009/10/9 Pablo Mi?o <pablodanielmino at gmail.com>

> I am unable to reply sms because there is no send option! There is a
> delete option instead. How do I solve this?
>
>
FWIW, it works here. Are you using keyboard as the input?
Perhaps you need to "finish" keyboard input before you can see the send
button?
On the keyboard I use there is a blue arrow pointing right that takes me to
the send button after writing a reply to a text message.

HTH
-- 
Regards,
Torfinn Ingolfsen
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From giacomomariani at yahoo.it  Fri Oct  9 12:18:41 2009
From: giacomomariani at yahoo.it (giacomo `giotti` mariani)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:18:41 +0200
Subject: Gutenflash
Message-ID: <4ACF0E01.2090102@yahoo.it>

>
> Yorick Moko wrote:
> > btw: it doesn't create a *.desktop file in /usr/share/applications/
> >   
> Righ :-) !
> Added in:
> http://soft.oralux.net/gutenflash/gutenflash_snapshot-31-r1_armv4t.ipk
>
>
> Gilles
Hello Gilles,
I like your software a lot, thank you.
Only one suggestion: is it possible to add the possibility of rotate the
inner screen (the one used by gutenflash), but not the main one,  as in
FBReader?

Thank
Giacomo

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From aditya.g8 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 12:20:49 2009
From: aditya.g8 at gmail.com (Aditya Gandhi)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:50:49 +0530
Subject: Where do I discuss these Ideas??
Message-ID: <4f51103a0910090320w3a2f1c17ue93ed06be081729e@mail.gmail.com>

Ideas of various applications that be made for neofreerunner.

First a little bit about me, so you don't start abusing me....

I'm a newbie to linux and an electronics engineer not a programmer, though
have worked on non-os embedded systems.
*Mini Joystick*

1) I wish to make a small portable mini joystick for the phone, and a stand
so it can be used as a gaming device. (Play mario and contra) Port SDL and
the games along with it.

*Rockbox*

2) Port Rockbox a an application/seperate boot os (like hp quickplay)

*Bluetooth console*

3) Use Bluetooth on the device, connect it to the PC via a serial port and
use it as the console.

*Vanilla OS*

4) Install a custom linux with bare minimum things to boot up, answer calls
and msgs, keep it as an alternative battery saving os! (Vanilla Os). maybe
even no GUI.

*USB to TV
*
5) This one is a little to far fetched an Idea but maybe it is possible.
Make a program to stream decoded video to usb , and a external small
portable usb device to convert it to rf or component video to be seen over
tv clearly.

*Accelerometer based Joystick*

6) Make a software which reads the accelerometer's and sends the data to the
pc, maybe map 4-5 keys on the screen. Use a standard joystick HID!!


* Eyes for Robot*

7) Use a webcam and a base robot , to guide through obstacles. (just for
fun)

*Serial port / Programmer
*
8) Use it to program via serial port AVR , pic and other 8 bit
micro-controllers. Also use it as serial terminal port through Ft2322 for
micro-controllers .

*JTAG
*
9) Use usb port through ft2322 for JTAG debugging on other arm/embedded
boards.

*Wishlist
*
*PSP

*1) Make a software which uses wifi to connect to the PS3 and emulate a psp.
(Maybe it is already there)
Car Computer

2) Monitor car computer via openmoko, tweak it.

*Assembly OS
*
3) Write the fastest OS using assembly, let the executable size be 5 Mb with
all apps!! (This one is Stupid I know, but just sometimes you have a hitch
maybe this is the fastest)

*Assembly Vanilla Os
*
4) Maybe my previous point can be used for making the low power os
(vanilla)!!!

*Phone to Phone USB
*
5) Freerunner to Freerunner direct connectivity through USB. (Applications
are limit less) Phone to phone charging, file sharing, co-processing,
Application interface, Gaming, etc. While saving a lot of Power, other than
charging of course!!

*Emulate Symbian OS 9.3
*
6) Emulate Symbian Os so we can use all their apps!! I know it would be Evil
but why not?? I really like some of their apps....
Silicon Cell Body

7) Replace external plastic case with silicon cell for solar energy
harnessing!!
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From Joan.doe at gmx.net  Fri Oct  9 13:42:11 2009
From: Joan.doe at gmx.net (Joan.doe at gmx.net)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:42:11 +0200
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <B633E781-FC48-4A1C-8E89-BE672C833F28@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910081033.50363.mikeumo@gmail.com>
	<20091008165738.GB25095@roque.1407.org>
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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 00:31:43 +0100
Stroller <stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> On 8 Oct 2009, at 22:15, Mikhail Umorin wrote:
> > On Thursday 08 October 2009 11:57:38 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> >> either you are in a zone with weak signal from 4508 and 2DF1 (so you
> >> jump frequently from one to the other) or yes, you probably are  
> >> suffering
> >> from #1024 :(
> >>
> >
> > What's the best way to differentiate? Stand by a cell tower and wait  
> > for a
> > couple of hours?
> 
> It has already been posted here:
> 
>     Under normal circumstances you would only see these messages with a
>     change of cell, so cid would be different. The only time I know of
>     that you might legitimately see repeated reconnection to the same  
> cell
>     is if you've got very low signal and it's the only cell visible.
> 
> I am really unclear why you feel the need to ask - yet again - if  
> you're affected by #1024, when all the symptoms so clearly seem to  
> point to it.
> 
> Your Freerunner is of one of the batches affected, yes?
> 
> Your Freerunner is reregistering. Obviously.
> 
> Do you really have reason to believe you're in an area which receives  
> poor coverage from these two towers? What signal strength do mobile  
> phones generally show in your house? Or are you just grasping at  
> straws, hoping your Freerunner is unaffected?
> 
> Stroller.
> 
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Am i the only one who sees 3 towers?


From maxposedon at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 13:53:34 2009
From: maxposedon at gmail.com (Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:53:34 +0300
Subject: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
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	<4AC3B20B.7060905@gmx.com>
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Thomas Franck <thomas.franck at gmx.com>wrote:

> How did you manage to copy those messages? is it because it eventually
> boots your FR?
>
> Yes, as I said before, NOR uBoot still can boot my neo, so, I copied it
from dmesg output.
Anyway, there I can see kernel bug(I think), and this shouldn't be happend
even if my nand have some badblocks.

Since my neo is more then 1 year old, and its falls sometimes, I think a may
have some badblocks.

As for me, I'm waiting for 2.6.31(2) upstream kernel, and then will try find
out more.

As for you, I defently don't understand why you can't boot from uSD, plz try
some very old images.
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From pablodanielmino at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 14:09:13 2009
From: pablodanielmino at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pablo_Mi=F1o?=)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:09:13 -0200
Subject: QtMoko v14 unable to send sms???
In-Reply-To: <ef8c8a880910090158x3e930190xb5ba5b5e6473df0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6193c9410910081919v1bf02138p5ee3a86ff05a780e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ef8c8a880910090158x3e930190xb5ba5b5e6473df0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6193c9410910090509y5134feeaj933f44e5f857c933@mail.gmail.com>

This is really odd. I asume that my QtMoko v14 is no different than
yours, so I should see what you told me but I do not.

I am in the create message screen, close to the battery status there
is a little keyboard where I can hide the keyboard or switch to
another keyboard, I have four keyboards (only three are shown) an none
show a blue arrow, at the most the DockedKeyboard shows a little green
key that extends the keyboard with stuff.

I do not think I am missing it and I am feeling really silly.

Where should this blue arrow be? How do I "finish" the keyboard, just hiding?

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 06:58, Torfinn Ingolfsen <tingox at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> 2009/10/9 Pablo Mi?o <pablodanielmino at gmail.com>
>>
>> I am unable to reply sms because there is no send option! There is a
>> delete option instead. How do I solve this?
>>
>
> FWIW, it works here. Are you using keyboard as the input?
> Perhaps you need to "finish" keyboard input before you can see the send
> button?
> On the keyboard I use there is a blue arrow pointing right that takes me to
> the send button after writing a reply to a text message.
>
> HTH
> --
> Regards,
> Torfinn Ingolfsen
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>

-- 
Pablo Mi?o


From ghislain at basetrend.nl  Fri Oct  9 14:19:05 2009
From: ghislain at basetrend.nl (ghislain)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 05:19:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [qtmoko] cannot flash v14
In-Reply-To: <a4875c0e0910090127m32810827yfed7b05c074d9b1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a4875c0e0910090127m32810827yfed7b05c074d9b1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1255090745279-3794143.post@n2.nabble.com>


I have this sometimes too, mostly when flashing a lot (and lots of connect /
reconnect the Neo).
This is what helps me the most of the time (I use Ubuntu 9.04): sudo
/etc/init.d/udev refresh-devices

But you can always load the installer-image I've created (
http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qtm14 QtMoko V14 ) so you won't
have to flash it over USB, just unzip the image to the first (vfat)
partition on you're sdcard and boot from it in NOR mode. It's also a lot
faster then flashing over USB.
But beware, there are some little changes in the configuration: swap is on
partition 2 of the sdcard (instead of 4) and nfs mounts to /media/jffs2
(instead of /).
-- 
View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/qtmoko-cannot-flash-v14-tp3793119p3794143.html
Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.


From risto at kurppa.fi  Fri Oct  9 14:27:32 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:27:32 +0300
Subject: Where do I discuss these Ideas??
In-Reply-To: <4f51103a0910090320w3a2f1c17ue93ed06be081729e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f51103a0910090320w3a2f1c17ue93ed06be081729e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d3e504410910090527m170c73f4h439a4493e74b4212@mail.gmail.com>

Awesome ideas! I guess this is the place to discuss these. I've also
got some ideas, small changes to improve the usability etc. Some stuff
that's distro-dependent, some other stuff.

Keep your ideas coming, pick one and show us how it works. It'll
encourage the community, to me it looks like the -community list is
slowing down, discussing mostly qtmoko-stuff..  So I warmly welcome
all creative and crazy ideas!


r

-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From nicolas.pichon at luceor.com  Fri Oct  9 14:43:20 2009
From: nicolas.pichon at luceor.com (Nicolas Pichon)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:43:20 +0200
Subject: Where do I discuss these Ideas??
In-Reply-To: <4f51103a0910090320w3a2f1c17ue93ed06be081729e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f51103a0910090320w3a2f1c17ue93ed06be081729e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACF2FE8.5020809@luceor.com>

Aditya Gandhi a ?crit :
> Ideas of various applications that be made for neofreerunner.
> 
> First a little bit about me, so you don't start abusing me....
> 
> I'm a newbie to linux and an electronics engineer not a programmer,
> though have worked on non-os embedded systems.

Great ideas ! Before this mail gets forgotten in the darkness of this
list' archive, you should write down all you ideas in a wki page. It
would also be easier to dig them if somebody decide to implement one of
them.

Nicolas.


From tingox at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 14:54:26 2009
From: tingox at gmail.com (Torfinn Ingolfsen)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:54:26 +0200
Subject: QtMoko v14 unable to send sms???
In-Reply-To: <6193c9410910090509y5134feeaj933f44e5f857c933@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6193c9410910081919v1bf02138p5ee3a86ff05a780e@mail.gmail.com>
	<ef8c8a880910090158x3e930190xb5ba5b5e6473df0@mail.gmail.com>
	<6193c9410910090509y5134feeaj933f44e5f857c933@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ef8c8a880910090554i7e7de6a7j5221d03659c838ac@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

2009/10/9 Pablo Mi?o <pablodanielmino at gmail.com>

>
> I am in the create message screen, close to the battery status there
> is a little keyboard where I can hide the keyboard or switch to
> another keyboard, I have four keyboards (only three are shown) an none
> show a blue arrow, at the most the DockedKeyboard shows a little green
> key that extends the keyboard with stuff.
>

Interesting, in my test I used the "reply to message" function, not the
create message.
But anyhow.
I use the DockedKeyboard. As soon as I start to type characters on the
screen, the blue arrow (it is light blue, actually)  replaces the "white
cross in a red circle" which is on the right side above the keyboard. After
I finished typing, I press the blue arrow, and the the sed screen shows,
whee I can select someone to send to (or type in in number), and then I
canpress the send button.
Don't yours work like that?


HTH
-- 
Regards,
Torfinn Ingolfsen
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From pablodanielmino at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 15:17:59 2009
From: pablodanielmino at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pablo_Mi=F1o?=)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:17:59 -0200
Subject: QtMoko v14 unable to send sms???
In-Reply-To: <ef8c8a880910090554i7e7de6a7j5221d03659c838ac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6193c9410910081919v1bf02138p5ee3a86ff05a780e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ef8c8a880910090158x3e930190xb5ba5b5e6473df0@mail.gmail.com> 
	<6193c9410910090509y5134feeaj933f44e5f857c933@mail.gmail.com> 
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Message-ID: <6193c9410910090617y481f829egdab03868e9b289ae@mail.gmail.com>

No matter if I reply a sms or start a new one, it happens the same.
When I start a new message (or reply a sms) I see a red circle with a
white cross and when I start typing it changes to an orange pentagon
with a white cross inside that is pointing backwards and it actually
deletes a character each time it is pressed.

If I disable "Use icon for soft keys" in Settings -> Appearance the
orange pentagon becomes a "Delete" key.

This is quite odd. I downloaded the images yesterday (or the day
before yesterday) and are v14.
Is it possible to change the behavior via configuration files?

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:54, Torfinn Ingolfsen <tingox at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> 2009/10/9 Pablo Mi?o <pablodanielmino at gmail.com>
>>
>> I am in the create message screen, close to the battery status there
>> is a little keyboard where I can hide the keyboard or switch to
>> another keyboard, I have four keyboards (only three are shown) an none
>> show a blue arrow, at the most the DockedKeyboard shows a little green
>> key that extends the keyboard with stuff.
>
>
> Interesting, in my test I used the "reply to message" function, not the
> create message.
> But anyhow.
> I use the DockedKeyboard. As soon as I start to type characters on the
> screen, the blue arrow (it is light blue, actually)? replaces the "white
> cross in a red circle" which is on the right side above the keyboard. After
> I finished typing, I press the blue arrow, and the the sed screen shows,
> whee I can select someone to send to (or type in in number), and then I
> canpress the send button.
> Don't yours work like that?
>
>
> HTH
> --
> Regards,
> Torfinn Ingolfsen
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>



-- 
Pablo Mi?o


From aditya.g8 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 15:38:38 2009
From: aditya.g8 at gmail.com (Aditya Gandhi)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:08:38 +0530
Subject: Where do I discuss these Ideas??
In-Reply-To: <4ACF2FE8.5020809@luceor.com>
References: <4f51103a0910090320w3a2f1c17ue93ed06be081729e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ACF2FE8.5020809@luceor.com>
Message-ID: <4f51103a0910090638y6d9d0d4fy43eda2d3e219b194@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks a lot Nicolas already put them on my user page, please let me know if
anymore changes are required!!
here's the link to my page:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User_talk:Aditya_g8


On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Nicolas Pichon <nicolas.pichon at luceor.com>wrote:

> Aditya Gandhi a ?crit :
> > Ideas of various applications that be made for neofreerunner.
> >
> > First a little bit about me, so you don't start abusing me....
> >
> > I'm a newbie to linux and an electronics engineer not a programmer,
> > though have worked on non-os embedded systems.
>
> Great ideas ! Before this mail gets forgotten in the darkness of this
> list' archive, you should write down all you ideas in a wki page. It
> would also be easier to dig them if somebody decide to implement one of
> them.
>
> Nicolas.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
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From aditya.g8 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 15:40:18 2009
From: aditya.g8 at gmail.com (Aditya Gandhi)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:10:18 +0530
Subject: Where do I discuss these Ideas??
In-Reply-To: <4f51103a0910090638y6d9d0d4fy43eda2d3e219b194@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f51103a0910090320w3a2f1c17ue93ed06be081729e@mail.gmail.com>
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Risto thanks for the compliment, will try these Ideas as soon as I get my
device, just collecting the money. Almost there....
Will get it Soon and hope I can impliment most of them..
Again thanks a lot for the response.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Aditya Gandhi <aditya.g8 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks a lot Nicolas already put them on my user page, please let me know
> if anymore changes are required!!
> here's the link to my page:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User_talk:Aditya_g8
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Nicolas Pichon <nicolas.pichon at luceor.com>wrote:
>
>> Aditya Gandhi a ?crit :
>> > Ideas of various applications that be made for neofreerunner.
>> >
>> > First a little bit about me, so you don't start abusing me....
>> >
>> > I'm a newbie to linux and an electronics engineer not a programmer,
>> > though have worked on non-os embedded systems.
>>
>> Great ideas ! Before this mail gets forgotten in the darkness of this
>> list' archive, you should write down all you ideas in a wki page. It
>> would also be easier to dig them if somebody decide to implement one of
>> them.
>>
>> Nicolas.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>
>
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From omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org  Fri Oct  9 16:30:33 2009
From: omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org (rhn)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:30:33 +0200
Subject: Where do I discuss these Ideas??
In-Reply-To: <4f51103a0910090320w3a2f1c17ue93ed06be081729e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f51103a0910090320w3a2f1c17ue93ed06be081729e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACF4909.4070602@porcupinefactory.org>

Aditya Gandhi wrote:

> * Eyes for Robot*
> 
> 7) Use a webcam and a base robot , to guide through obstacles. (just for 
> fun)

I'm starting a project doing just about that - using a Freerunner to control a robot via Bluetooth.
As I'm a programmer and not a hardware guy, the robot of choice is the Lego NXT.
Currently, I'm working on communication between those two parts.
Will start posting when I have some results!

Cheers
rhn


From christian at exinto.de  Fri Oct  9 16:53:34 2009
From: christian at exinto.de (Christian)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:53:34 +0200
Subject: evopedia 0.2.3 release
In-Reply-To: <20091009011824.GA8834@earth.universe>
References: <4ACE5EF3.9010402@exinto.de> <20091009011824.GA8834@earth.universe>
Message-ID: <4ACF4E6E.8060805@exinto.de>

Sebastian Reichel schrieb:
> On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 11:51:47PM +0200, Christian wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm interested in packaging your software for Debian. Can you please
> provide a source tarball? On the website you state, that the
> software is released under GPLv3+, but I can't find any sourcecode :(
> 
> -- Sebastian Reichel

Thank you, that's nice to hear! I just created a small git repository at
http://github.com/crei/evopedia. Since evopedia only contains
interpreted code, I thought releasing an extra source package would not
be necessary, but you are right, .ipk packages are not so easy to
extract. Note that the .ipk package also contains init scripts and
configuration files which are not included in the git repository up to now.

Christian


From aditya.g8 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 17:13:29 2009
From: aditya.g8 at gmail.com (Aditya Gandhi)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:43:29 +0530
Subject: Where do I discuss these Ideas??
In-Reply-To: <4ACF4909.4070602@porcupinefactory.org>
References: <4f51103a0910090320w3a2f1c17ue93ed06be081729e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ACF4909.4070602@porcupinefactory.org>
Message-ID: <4f51103a0910090813w232a4048t4d93d93ea9eb818b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi rhn,
I'm trying something a little bit different, I plan to make it autonomous,
with neo controlling it while sitting on it.
Eg:. Using gps and a usb cam deliver tea for me from one room to other in a
big appartment....
Something of that sort... Anyways any help needed in your project please do
ask, will try and  help you

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:00 PM, rhn <omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org>wrote:

> Aditya Gandhi wrote:
>
> > * Eyes for Robot*
> >
> > 7) Use a webcam and a base robot , to guide through obstacles. (just for
> > fun)
>
> I'm starting a project doing just about that - using a Freerunner to
> control a robot via Bluetooth.
> As I'm a programmer and not a hardware guy, the robot of choice is the Lego
> NXT.
> Currently, I'm working on communication between those two parts.
> Will start posting when I have some results!
>
> Cheers
> rhn
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From freepage at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 17:45:54 2009
From: freepage at gmail.com (Pieter Colpaert)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:45:54 +0200
Subject: Where do I discuss these Ideas??
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410910090527m170c73f4h439a4493e74b4212@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f51103a0910090320w3a2f1c17ue93ed06be081729e@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3e504410910090527m170c73f4h439a4493e74b4212@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1255103154.7668.0.camel@pieterc-laptop>

Hi!

I like your ideas too and I'd like to share my possible future project
too ;):

BASH-LIKE PHONE
----------------

An openmoko distribution which uses FSO. The interface is just a shell
with on top of it a transparent keyboard (something like the
fatfingershell).
You can dail like this:
	pieterc at myphone$ dail +3248...... <RET>
or a contact:
	pieterc at myphone$ dail hom<tab> <RET> # = pieterc phone home

dail should be a python/bash/... script using the FSO api.
other easy to use commands I can think of: 
* addcontact contact #number# -group "friends"
* whereami (returns gsm locations and searches for cityname close to
that)
* sendtext "come home for dinner" son1 # sends sms to son1 (again with
autocompletion)
* wakemeup 7:30
* tail /var/mail #to read last text-messages

bash-commands or commands you're used to:
ls,cd,grep,awk,tail, ps, date, ...

and some ported apps: 
* nethack (yes, the game)
* links/lynx, 
* emacs (with erc)
* fortune (I like fortune a lot.)
* ...

I think it's extremely easy and fun to develop this idea. It would make
a perfect unix-lover-phone. We could hack on gnu bash to accomplish the
auto completion for contacts and other stuff.

Pieter

On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 15:27 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> Awesome ideas! I guess this is the place to discuss these. I've also
> got some ideas, small changes to improve the usability etc. Some stuff
> that's distro-dependent, some other stuff.
> 
> Keep your ideas coming, pick one and show us how it works. It'll
> encourage the community, to me it looks like the -community list is
> slowing down, discussing mostly qtmoko-stuff..  So I warmly welcome
> all creative and crazy ideas!
> 
> 
> r
> 



From Stuff4tschaka at gmx.net  Fri Oct  9 17:59:25 2009
From: Stuff4tschaka at gmx.net (Tschaka)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:59:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: QtMoko v14
In-Reply-To: <1254948833359-3784396.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1254915862.6052.26.camel@rp-skunk>
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ghislain wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I really like QtMoko and V14 is an improvement!
> 
> Every time a new version arrives I provide the Freerunner Community in the
> Netherlands with an alternative download on  http://www.openmobile.nl/
> openmobile.nl  (this site is in Dutch).
> I also changes some basic things to the standard QtMoko version:
> * I create an sdCard installer (Android alike, by flashing qi, rootfs,
> kernel)
> * I add some packages (pkg-fso-keyring vim ntpdate nfs-common mtd-utils
> flite)
> * I add a working version of Navit  (under QX), with speech (flite) with
> an working map (Benelux) on the sdCard under the MapsNavit folder
> * I change the defaults of the fstab (swap on 2nd partition of sdCard),
> nfs-mount to host (192.168.1.200) /media/jffs2
> 
> Maybe this is handy for the rest of the community too? Take a look at the
> latest (V14) installer-image: 
> http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qtm14 QtMoko V14 Installer
> Image  and let me know if this is something you all like or if there need
> to be some changes.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


would you mind creating some package or archive which simply unpacks all
necessary files of navit (w/o maps ofc) into the root dir or qtmoko? or
maybe add instructions  to the qtmoko wiki on how to get the latest version
of navit (svn would be best) working on qtmoko? first one might be easier,
as you already did all the appropriate steps :)

thanks in advance! 
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From Stuff4tschaka at gmx.net  Fri Oct  9 18:05:09 2009
From: Stuff4tschaka at gmx.net (Tschaka)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:05:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: QtMoko v14
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ghislain wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I really like QtMoko and V14 is an improvement!
> 
> Every time a new version arrives I provide the Freerunner Community in the
> Netherlands with an alternative download on  http://www.openmobile.nl/
> openmobile.nl  (this site is in Dutch).
> I also changes some basic things to the standard QtMoko version:
> * I create an sdCard installer (Android alike, by flashing qi, rootfs,
> kernel)
> * I add some packages (pkg-fso-keyring vim ntpdate nfs-common mtd-utils
> flite)
> * I add a working version of Navit  (under QX), with speech (flite) with
> an working map (Benelux) on the sdCard under the MapsNavit folder
> * I change the defaults of the fstab (swap on 2nd partition of sdCard),
> nfs-mount to host (192.168.1.200) /media/jffs2
> 
> Maybe this is handy for the rest of the community too? Take a look at the
> latest (V14) installer-image: 
> http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qtm14 QtMoko V14 Installer
> Image  and let me know if this is something you all like or if there need
> to be some changes.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


whoops, you already did it and i just found it (somewhat hidden) in your
download section. Thanks, i'll try when i'm  home :)
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From omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org  Fri Oct  9 19:42:04 2009
From: omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org (rhn)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:42:04 +0200
Subject: Where do I discuss these Ideas??
In-Reply-To: <4f51103a0910090813w232a4048t4d93d93ea9eb818b@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Aditya

Actually, that's even closer to what I'm going to do. The main part of the project is discovering ways to detect objects autonomously, with the FR riding the vehicle. I'd use GPS if I had a bigger robot, but I'm afraid that's not an option :)
I have little experience in handling camera input, too, and I'm not concerned about Freerunner's computing power.
Thanks for your offer. I'd be happy if I could share my new experiences, too.

Cheers
rhn

Aditya Gandhi wrote:
> Hi rhn,
> I'm trying something a little bit different, I plan to make it 
> autonomous, with neo controlling it while sitting on it.
> Eg:. Using gps and a usb cam deliver tea for me from one room to other 
> in a big appartment....
> Something of that sort... Anyways any help needed in your project please 
> do ask, will try and  help you
> 
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:00 PM, rhn <omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org 
> <mailto:omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org>> wrote:
> 
>     Aditya Gandhi wrote:
> 
>      > * Eyes for Robot*
>      >
>      > 7) Use a webcam and a base robot , to guide through obstacles.
>     (just for
>      > fun)
> 
>     I'm starting a project doing just about that - using a Freerunner to
>     control a robot via Bluetooth.
>     As I'm a programmer and not a hardware guy, the robot of choice is
>     the Lego NXT.
>     Currently, I'm working on communication between those two parts.
>     Will start posting when I have some results!
> 
>     Cheers
>     rhn
> 


From tingox at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 20:44:17 2009
From: tingox at gmail.com (Torfinn Ingolfsen)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:44:17 +0200
Subject: QtMoko v14 unable to send sms???
In-Reply-To: <6193c9410910090617y481f829egdab03868e9b289ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6193c9410910081919v1bf02138p5ee3a86ff05a780e@mail.gmail.com>
	<ef8c8a880910090158x3e930190xb5ba5b5e6473df0@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi,

2009/10/9 Pablo Mi?o <pablodanielmino at gmail.com>

> No matter if I reply a sms or start a new one, it happens the same.
> When I start a new message (or reply a sms) I see a red circle with a
> white cross and when I start typing it changes to an orange pentagon
> with a white cross inside that is pointing backwards and it actually
> deletes a character each time it is pressed.
>

On the left side (to the left of the red circle) you have  the menu button.
There you can select change input method, which cycles through the keyboards
(and a handwiting option I guess).
What happens if you select another keyboard?

If I disable "Use icon for soft keys" in Settings -> Appearance the
>

That one is enabled here.


> This is quite odd. I downloaded the images yesterday (or the day
> before yesterday) and are v14.
>

I have my image installed on a partition on a SD card, installed from the
tar.gz file.
-- 
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From robin.paulson at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 21:26:32 2009
From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 08:26:32 +1300
Subject: evopedia 0.2.3 release
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2009/10/9 Christian <christian at exinto.de>:
> The following dump languages are available at the moment:
> Dutch, French, German, Italian, Polish and Spanish.

could you supply the code used to create the dumps? i realise your
reticence to create the english dump (i assume size?) - i would be
interested in creating my own though


From mikeumo at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 21:27:44 2009
From: mikeumo at gmail.com (Mikhail Umorin)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:27:44 -0500
Subject: 1024#
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On Friday 09 October 2009 06:42:11 Joan.doe at gmx.net wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 00:31:43 +0100
>
> Stroller <stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 8 Oct 2009, at 22:15, Mikhail Umorin wrote:
> > > On Thursday 08 October 2009 11:57:38 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> > >> either you are in a zone with weak signal from 4508 and 2DF1 (so you
> > >> jump frequently from one to the other) or yes, you probably are
> > >> suffering
> > >> from #1024 :(
> > >
> > > What's the best way to differentiate? Stand by a cell tower and wait
> > > for a
> > > couple of hours?
> >
> > It has already been posted here:
> >
> >     Under normal circumstances you would only see these messages with a
> >     change of cell, so cid would be different. The only time I know of
> >     that you might legitimately see repeated reconnection to the same
> > cell
> >     is if you've got very low signal and it's the only cell visible.
> >
> > I am really unclear why you feel the need to ask - yet again - if
> > you're affected by #1024, when all the symptoms so clearly seem to
> > point to it.
> >
> > Your Freerunner is of one of the batches affected, yes?
> >
> > Your Freerunner is reregistering. Obviously.
> >
> > Do you really have reason to believe you're in an area which receives
> > poor coverage from these two towers? What signal strength do mobile
> > phones generally show in your house? Or are you just grasping at
> > straws, hoping your Freerunner is unaffected?
> >
> > Stroller.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
> Am i the only one who sees 3 towers?
>


if you are referring to my log, there are actually 8 towers: 2DF1, 2CED, 4508, 
4506, 4507, 2B20, 2B21, and 2B04

What's up with that?




From pablodanielmino at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 21:35:02 2009
From: pablodanielmino at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pablo_Mi=F1o?=)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:35:02 -0200
Subject: QtMoko v14 unable to send sms???
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If I select another keyboard it smiply changes the keyboard but the
orange pentagon keeps there and does not change for a blue arrow. I
simply flash it from the rootfs.

I am clueless...

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 16:44, Torfinn Ingolfsen <tingox at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> 2009/10/9 Pablo Mi?o <pablodanielmino at gmail.com>
>>
>> No matter if I reply a sms or start a new one, it happens the same.
>> When I start a new message (or reply a sms) I see a red circle with a
>> white cross and when I start typing it changes to an orange pentagon
>> with a white cross inside that is pointing backwards and it actually
>> deletes a character each time it is pressed.
>
>
> On the left side (to the left of the red circle) you have? the menu button.
> There you can select change input method, which cycles through the keyboards
> (and a handwiting option I guess).
> What happens if you select another keyboard?
>
>> If I disable "Use icon for soft keys" in Settings -> Appearance the
>
> That one is enabled here.
>
>>
>> This is quite odd. I downloaded the images yesterday (or the day
>> before yesterday) and are v14.
>
> I have my image installed on a partition on a SD card, installed from the
> tar.gz file.
> --
> Regards,
> Torfinn Ingolfsen
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>



-- 
Pablo Mi?o


From aditya.g8 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 21:41:29 2009
From: aditya.g8 at gmail.com (Aditya Gandhi)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 01:11:29 +0530
Subject: Where do I discuss these Ideas??
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Hi Rhn,
Oh nice, see as far as openmoko is concerned you dont have to do much.
I will soon be making a board on which I will have USB connection to the
open moko,
A web cam , sensors and a motor driver. The hardware is fairly simple, I'll
explain why....
Its a usb hub with external power (3.3 1200MAh Lithium Ion with convertor to
5V)
A web cam, a simple atmega microcontroller with the usb code for sensors and
motor control.

So you just have to detect the camera use it in a program and the atmega as
a simple HID device and control the motor.

I will upload the firmware & the board designs once I'm done, so everyone
can use it.
Once we have the basic system running we can have extendded abilities, like
bluetooth connectivity, wi-fi etc. Applications are far more than we can
think of now....But thats at a later stage.

And as far as computing power of neo is concerned I really plan to make a
stripped out version of the kernel, maybe even without a gui to run my apps,
I believe a 400Mhz processor is enough for the purpose. Lets se as I
calculate how do I plan to do my Image processing and How much ram and
processor speed is needed.

 So here is what we can do before we try it on Freerunner, Make a virtual
pc, slow it down a lot , maybe a arm emulator only. Run linux kernel, and
try our hardware at 200 Mhz, 300 Mhz and optimise the code. Then compile it
for the neo.
Just a brief overview.

Now I want people to correct me here, If there is a better way to impliment
this.


>Hi Aditya
> >
>
>Actually, that's even closer to what I'm going to do. The main part of the
> project is >discovering ways to detect objects autonomously, with the FR
> riding the vehicle. I'd use GPS >if I had a bigger robot, but I'm afraid
> that's not an option :)
> >I have little experience in handling camera input, too, and I'm not
> concerned about >Freerunner's computing power.
> >Thanks for your offer. I'd be happy if I could share my new experiences,
> too.
>
>
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From aditya.g8 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 21:45:19 2009
From: aditya.g8 at gmail.com (Aditya Gandhi)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 01:15:19 +0530
Subject: Where do I discuss these Ideas??
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I love the idea. Its amazing, but I'm more of a simple c programmer, need to
learn c++ and python. Have started it, but my job spares me just one day a
week so....
Anyways I'll try and putin more Idea's and more than that Implement a
few....
Thanks a lot guys for all the response, really a moral booster.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Pieter Colpaert <freepage at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I like your ideas too and I'd like to share my possible future project
> too ;):
>
> BASH-LIKE PHONE
> ----------------
>
> An openmoko distribution which uses FSO. The interface is just a shell
> with on top of it a transparent keyboard (something like the
> fatfingershell).
> You can dail like this:
>        pieterc at myphone$ dail +3248...... <RET>
> or a contact:
>        pieterc at myphone$ dail hom<tab> <RET> # = pieterc phone home
>
> dail should be a python/bash/... script using the FSO api.
> other easy to use commands I can think of:
> * addcontact contact #number# -group "friends"
> * whereami (returns gsm locations and searches for cityname close to
> that)
> * sendtext "come home for dinner" son1 # sends sms to son1 (again with
> autocompletion)
> * wakemeup 7:30
> * tail /var/mail #to read last text-messages
>
> bash-commands or commands you're used to:
> ls,cd,grep,awk,tail, ps, date, ...
>
> and some ported apps:
> * nethack (yes, the game)
> * links/lynx,
> * emacs (with erc)
> * fortune (I like fortune a lot.)
> * ...
>
> I think it's extremely easy and fun to develop this idea. It would make
> a perfect unix-lover-phone. We could hack on gnu bash to accomplish the
> auto completion for contacts and other stuff.
>
> Pieter
>
> On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 15:27 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> > Awesome ideas! I guess this is the place to discuss these. I've also
> > got some ideas, small changes to improve the usability etc. Some stuff
> > that's distro-dependent, some other stuff.
> >
> > Keep your ideas coming, pick one and show us how it works. It'll
> > encourage the community, to me it looks like the -community list is
> > slowing down, discussing mostly qtmoko-stuff..  So I warmly welcome
> > all creative and crazy ideas!
> >
> >
> > r
> >
>
>
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From aditya.g8 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 21:51:35 2009
From: aditya.g8 at gmail.com (Aditya Gandhi)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 01:21:35 +0530
Subject: Where do I discuss these Ideas??
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Just one more Idea, wanna know if already implimented or has a better
alternative, A full qwerty keyborad in landscape mode.

Here we could use it for sms maybe, similar to fatfingershell, use its
keyboard behind a normal sms screen in the background and type the msg with
hands while loving to do so....
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From montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 21:58:10 2009
From: montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com (Steven **)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:58:10 -0500
Subject: [SHR] new package: theremin (alfa version warning)
In-Reply-To: <d67d61f10910050729t21b09667y1a498073711358cb@mail.gmail.com>
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The stutter is similar to what I heard when using fluidsynth on the Neo.
Does this app use a synth program to generate the sound?  Or does it
do it directly?

-Steven

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Aapo Rantalainen
<aapo.rantalainen at gmail.com> wrote:
> I packaged maemo-theremin[1] on freerunner SHR-U.
> It is nice musical tool but unfortunately it is just little bit too
> slowly to work smoothly.
>
> Anybody has any ideas how to get it working little bit faster?
>
>
> Package:
> http://www.opkg.org/package_287.html
>
> Info
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Theremin
>
> -Aapo Rantalainen
>
> [1] http://theremin.garage.maemo.org/
>
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From claregj at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 23:42:40 2009
From: claregj at gmail.com (clare johnstone)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:42:40 +0800
Subject: QtMoko v14 unable to send sms???
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On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 2:44 AM, Torfinn Ingolfsen <tingox at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> 2009/10/9 Pablo Mi?o <pablodanielmino at gmail.com>
>>
>> No matter if I reply a sms or start a new one, it happens the same.

> I have my image installed on a partition on a SD card, installed from the
> tar.gz file.
> --
Hi,

I am trying the tar.gz version and get the same result as Torfinn.

have done little more yet,
clare


From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Fri Oct  9 23:56:46 2009
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 23:56:46 +0200
Subject: QtMoko v14 unable to send sms???
In-Reply-To: <6193c9410910091235w621c6f18o50d2bb20895ed02e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6193c9410910081919v1bf02138p5ee3a86ff05a780e@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <200910092356.47016.psonek2@seznam.cz>

On Friday 09 of October 2009 21:35:02 Pablo Mi?o wrote:

> If I select another keyboard it smiply changes the keyboard but the
> orange pentagon keeps there and does not change for a blue arrow. I
> simply flash it from the rootfs.
> 
> I am clueless...

Does GSM work? I.e. can you make calls? Btw the screen should look like this:

http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/screenshots/keyboard_skin.png

Regards

Radek


From claregj at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 00:26:38 2009
From: claregj at gmail.com (clare johnstone)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 06:26:38 +0800
Subject: QtMoko v14 unable to send sms???
In-Reply-To: <200910092356.47016.psonek2@seznam.cz>
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On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 5:56 AM, Radek Polak <psonek2 at seznam.cz> wrote:
? Btw the screen should look like this:
>
> http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/screenshots/keyboard_skin.png

yes it did, on the 3rd change of input method, and then as i started
to type the red circle with X changed  to blue arrow, then   it popped
up a bar saying send and returned to the red circle then hit the send
and it made a place for the number, I hit the word switch which
appeared on the lower right of the keyboard and it made a number pad,
with useful extras. so could put in the number then it changed to an
envelope on the bottom right and that sent it. Earlier a press on the
same send bar also sent one, so those both seem to work at that
point..
I really like the keyboard ( except perhaps would change the layout of
the letters), but the switch feature and Shift are very convenient.
Why I said about the layout; I have been using an alphabet layout in
Neovento and am getting used to that.

thank you, there are a lot of nice features. By the way i found that a
press on the power button will enable escape from help. Till then i
was in despair.
cheers,
clare


From claregj at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 00:40:17 2009
From: claregj at gmail.com (clare johnstone)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 06:40:17 +0800
Subject: QtMoko v14 unable to send sms???
In-Reply-To: <6193c9410910090617y481f829egdab03868e9b289ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6193c9410910081919v1bf02138p5ee3a86ff05a780e@mail.gmail.com>
	<ef8c8a880910090158x3e930190xb5ba5b5e6473df0@mail.gmail.com>
	<6193c9410910090509y5134feeaj933f44e5f857c933@mail.gmail.com>
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2009/10/9 Pablo Mi?o <pablodanielmino at gmail.com>:
> No matter if I reply a sms or start a new one, it happens the same.
> When I start a new message (or reply a sms) I see a red circle with a
> white cross and when I start typing it changes to an orange pentagon
> with a white cross inside that is pointing backwards and it actually
> deletes a character each time it is pressed.
>

Hi Pablo, I get this (the pentagon which erases, when entering the
screen to make a call,
via the phone picture, left most of the 4 on the nearly empty screen
which has the lock at the right. It has on a bar at the top :Dialer".
But from the dialer screen I get to the messaging from the columns at
the right which has a picture of an envelope. press that and get
transported to the screen we are talking about. hope this helps, or is
yours not like that?
clare


From michael.smith at netapps.com.au  Sat Oct 10 02:07:24 2009
From: michael.smith at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:07:24 +1100
Subject: [SHR-U] How do you rotate the screen in SHR?
Message-ID: <20091010110724.5307308f@michael>

I want to use SHR in landscape mode. Several people have discussed using it on the list but it is not clear to me how enter landscape mode.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.
-- 
Michael Smith
Network Applications
www.netapps.com.au   | +61 (0) 416 062 898
Web Hosting          | Internet Services
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From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 02:17:56 2009
From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:17:56 -0700
Subject: [SHR-U] How do you rotate the screen in SHR?
In-Reply-To: <20091010110724.5307308f@michael>
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Michael Smith
<michael.smith at netapps.com.au> wrote:
> I want to use SHR in landscape mode. Several people have discussed using it on the list but it is not clear to me how enter landscape mode.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks.
> --
> Michael Smith
> Network Applications
> www.netapps.com.au ? | +61 (0) 416 062 898
> Web Hosting ? ? ? ? ?| Internet Services
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>

look in the wiki under applications, there are several to chose from


From nicola.mfb at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 02:31:40 2009
From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:31:40 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U] How do you rotate the screen in SHR?
In-Reply-To: <f8d5d4f30910091717i5082d1aew68082e3608884eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091010110724.5307308f@michael>
	<f8d5d4f30910091717i5082d1aew68082e3608884eb@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 2:17 AM, jeremy jozwik <jerjoz.forums at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Michael Smith
> <michael.smith at netapps.com.au> wrote:
>> I want to use SHR in landscape mode. Several people have discussed using it on the list but it is not clear to me how enter landscape mode.
>>
>> Any suggestions?

xrandr ;)

     Nicola


From michael.smith at netapps.com.au  Sat Oct 10 02:59:30 2009
From: michael.smith at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:59:30 +1100
Subject: [SHR-U] How do you rotate the screen in SHR?
In-Reply-To: <359c5480910091731l665522fegfca6629b3eb364d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091010110724.5307308f@michael>
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Message-ID: <20091010115930.22d4e90e@michael>

On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:31:40 +0200
Nicola Mfb <nicola.mfb at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 2:17 AM, jeremy jozwik <jerjoz.forums at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Michael Smith
> > <michael.smith at netapps.com.au> wrote:
> >> I want to use SHR in landscape mode. Several people have discussed using it on the list but it is not clear to me how enter landscape mode.

None of the rotation applications look mature enough for me to install on my wife's phone. I am looking for a way to improve the keyboard for her.

Thanks anyway.
-- 
Michael Smith
Network Applications
www.netapps.com.au   | +61 (0) 416 062 898
Web Hosting          | Internet Services
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From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 03:17:54 2009
From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:17:54 -0700
Subject: [SHR-U] How do you rotate the screen in SHR?
In-Reply-To: <20091010115930.22d4e90e@michael>
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Michael Smith
<michael.smith at netapps.com.au> wrote:
> None of the rotation applications look mature enough for me to install on my wife's phone. I am looking for a way to improve the keyboard for her.
> Thanks anyway.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Literki  << best keyboard ive see thus far.

unless your counting the unconventional qwo


From pablodanielmino at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 04:32:37 2009
From: pablodanielmino at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pablo_Mi=F1o?=)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 00:32:37 -0200
Subject: QtMoko v14 unable to send sms???
In-Reply-To: <8e354bdf0910091540p516c9e2u10d3f76a184fe550@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6193c9410910081919v1bf02138p5ee3a86ff05a780e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ef8c8a880910090158x3e930190xb5ba5b5e6473df0@mail.gmail.com> 
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I am able to make phone calls, I only have issues with the sms.
I will try the tar.gz installation, what file should I backup to keep
my contacts?

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 20:40, clare johnstone <claregj at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/10/9 Pablo Mi?o <pablodanielmino at gmail.com>:
>> No matter if I reply a sms or start a new one, it happens the same.
>> When I start a new message (or reply a sms) I see a red circle with a
>> white cross and when I start typing it changes to an orange pentagon
>> with a white cross inside that is pointing backwards and it actually
>> deletes a character each time it is pressed.
>>
>
> Hi Pablo, I get this (the pentagon which erases, when entering the
> screen to make a call,
> via the phone picture, left most of the 4 on the nearly empty screen
> which has the lock at the right. It has on a bar at the top :Dialer".
> But from the dialer screen I get to the messaging from the columns at
> the right which has a picture of an envelope. press that and get
> transported to the screen we are talking about. hope this helps, or is
> yours not like that?
> clare
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



-- 
Pablo Mi?o


From aditya.g8 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 04:46:20 2009
From: aditya.g8 at gmail.com (Aditya Gandhi)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 08:16:20 +0530
Subject: Performance of the accelerometer on FR
In-Reply-To: <1a9a6b160910010634h16da845gbdb5b089d7127738@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a9a6b160909301310j4875bccs110e6ec123988b13@mail.gmail.com>
	<1a9a6b160909302149n57835ea9pae094c4f345c5119@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1a9a6b160910010634h16da845gbdb5b089d7127738@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4f51103a0910091946w5bd154beia577fe233e5ab126@mail.gmail.com>

Hi ranjan, I would like to have a look at your source code and try to figure
out what needs to be done to Increase the performance. Can you tell me where
can I look for the code, or can you mail me the code.
What software have you used on the PC to make a graph??


On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 7:04 PM, RANJAN <infibit at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>> >Freerunner uses the LIS302DL accelerometers from ST [1]. They can be
>> >switched between +-2g and +-8g range and have a resolution of 8 bit per
>> >axis. The sample rate can be selected between 100Hz and 400Hz. And they
>> >inherit some nice functions like double click detection and zero-g
>> >filtering.
>>
> So can the selectivity be changed on the FR?And can the sample rate be
> changed as well?Even if one is able to change the sample rate can one read
> the values at the same frequency?
>
> Sriranjan
>
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From infibit at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 07:05:46 2009
From: infibit at gmail.com (RANJAN)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:35:46 +0530
Subject: Performance of the accelerometer on FR
In-Reply-To: <4f51103a0910091946w5bd154beia577fe233e5ab126@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a9a6b160909301310j4875bccs110e6ec123988b13@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1a9a6b160910010634h16da845gbdb5b089d7127738@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi ranjan, I would like to have a look at your source code and try to figure
> out what needs to be done to Increase the performance. Can you tell me where
> can I look for the code, or can you mail me the code.
> What software have you used on the PC to make a graph??
>
> Use OpenGl with some commands to read the serial port data. (see MSDN
documentation if on windows).See wiki for accelerometer code.
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From michael.smith at netapps.com.au  Sat Oct 10 08:24:50 2009
From: michael.smith at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:24:50 +1100
Subject: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
Message-ID: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>

I have created two keyboard layouts for the illume keyboard. They are available from this repository:

http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/file/tip

The layouts each have keys as large as I can make them. I found the existing layouts to be of little use without a stylus.

Regards,
-- 
Michael Smith
Network Applications
www.netapps.com.au   | +61 (0) 416 062 898
Web Hosting          | Internet Services
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From aditya.g8 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 08:40:47 2009
From: aditya.g8 at gmail.com (Aditya Gandhi)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:10:47 +0530
Subject: Performance of the accelerometer on FR
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References: <1a9a6b160909301310j4875bccs110e6ec123988b13@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks ... will check it out for sure

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:35 AM, RANJAN <infibit at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> Hi ranjan, I would like to have a look at your source code and try to
>> figure out what needs to be done to Increase the performance. Can you tell
>> me where can I look for the code, or can you mail me the code.
>> What software have you used on the PC to make a graph??
>>
>> Use OpenGl with some commands to read the serial port data. (see MSDN
> documentation if on windows).See wiki for accelerometer code.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From robin.paulson at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 10:22:31 2009
From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:22:31 +1300
Subject: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
In-Reply-To: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
References: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
Message-ID: <2f3aa2770910100122i5ffc22a4lc6e4644c5186ece5@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/10 Michael Smith <michael.smith at netapps.com.au>:
> I have created two keyboard layouts for the illume keyboard. They are available from this repository:
>
> http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/file/tip
>
> The layouts each have keys as large as I can make them. I found the existing layouts to be of little use without a stylus.
>

could you post some screenshots?

cheers


From michael.smith at netapps.com.au  Sat Oct 10 10:46:11 2009
From: michael.smith at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:46:11 +1100
Subject: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770910100122i5ffc22a4lc6e4644c5186ece5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
	<2f3aa2770910100122i5ffc22a4lc6e4644c5186ece5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091010194611.2448bd8f@michael>

On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:22:31 +1300
Robin Paulson <robin.paulson at gmail.com> wrote:

> 2009/10/10 Michael Smith <michael.smith at netapps.com.au>:
> > I have created two keyboard layouts for the illume keyboard. They are available from this repository:
> >
> > http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/file/tip
> >
> > The layouts each have keys as large as I can make them. I found the existing layouts to be of little use without a stylus.
> >
> 
> could you post some screenshots?

Yes.
http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/alpha.png

http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/numeric.png

(memo to self. After exporting display to moko to run xwd don't just start gimp from the same terminal without resetting display).
-- 
Michael Smith
Network Applications
www.netapps.com.au   | +61 (0) 416 062 898
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From aditya.g8 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 10:50:00 2009
From: aditya.g8 at gmail.com (Aditya Gandhi)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:20:00 +0530
Subject: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
In-Reply-To: <20091010194611.2448bd8f@michael>
References: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
	<2f3aa2770910100122i5ffc22a4lc6e4644c5186ece5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091010194611.2448bd8f@michael>
Message-ID: <4f51103a0910100150t576cef20mb83c495f00867d14@mail.gmail.com>

I loved it

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Michael Smith <michael.smith at netapps.com.au
> wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:22:31 +1300
> Robin Paulson <robin.paulson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 2009/10/10 Michael Smith <michael.smith at netapps.com.au>:
> > > I have created two keyboard layouts for the illume keyboard. They are
> available from this repository:
> > >
> > >
> http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/file/tip
> > >
> > > The layouts each have keys as large as I can make them. I found the
> existing layouts to be of little use without a stylus.
> > >
> >
> > could you post some screenshots?
>
> Yes.
>
> http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/alpha.png
>
>
> http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/numeric.png
>
> (memo to self. After exporting display to moko to run xwd don't just start
> gimp from the same terminal without resetting display).
> --
> Michael Smith
> Network Applications
> www.netapps.com.au   | +61 (0) 416 062 898
> Web Hosting          | Internet Services
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From ajvogel at tuks.co.za  Sat Oct 10 10:57:07 2009
From: ajvogel at tuks.co.za (Adolph J. Vogel)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:57:07 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
In-Reply-To: <20091010194611.2448bd8f@michael>
References: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
	<2f3aa2770910100122i5ffc22a4lc6e4644c5186ece5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091010194611.2448bd8f@michael>
Message-ID: <200910101057.07387.ajvogel@tuks.co.za>


> > could you post some screenshots?
>
> Yes.
> http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-ke
>yboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/alpha.png
>
> http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-ke
>yboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/numeric.png
>

Nooooooo!, where is the qwerty? :D

on a more serious note, the qwerty layout is sufficiently imprinted in my 
mussle memory that any other layout is a deal breaker. (The same goes for 
navit)

Adolph







From aditya.g8 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 11:18:19 2009
From: aditya.g8 at gmail.com (Aditya Gandhi)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:48:19 +0530
Subject: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
In-Reply-To: <200910101057.07387.ajvogel@tuks.co.za>
References: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
	<2f3aa2770910100122i5ffc22a4lc6e4644c5186ece5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091010194611.2448bd8f@michael>
	<200910101057.07387.ajvogel@tuks.co.za>
Message-ID: <4f51103a0910100218x638fd5d9lf9b8835f58472f51@mail.gmail.com>

Can we edit it to make it qwerty??
Wouldn't that difficult!!

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Adolph J. Vogel <ajvogel at tuks.co.za> wrote:

>
> > > could you post some screenshots?
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-ke
> >yboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/alpha.png
> >
> >
> http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-ke
> >yboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/numeric.png
> >
>
> >Nooooooo!, where is the qwerty? :D
>
> >on a more serious note, the qwerty layout is sufficiently imprinted in my
> >mussle memory that any other layout is a deal breaker. (The same goes for
> >navit)
>
> >Adolph
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From michael.smith at netapps.com.au  Sat Oct 10 11:23:24 2009
From: michael.smith at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:23:24 +1100
Subject: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
In-Reply-To: <4f51103a0910100150t576cef20mb83c495f00867d14@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
	<2f3aa2770910100122i5ffc22a4lc6e4644c5186ece5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091010194611.2448bd8f@michael>
	<4f51103a0910100150t576cef20mb83c495f00867d14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091010202324.4af5506d@michael>

On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:20:00 +0530
Aditya Gandhi <aditya.g8 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I loved it

Thanks for your comments. Two more screenshots showing the shifted state:

http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/tip/alpha_shifted.png

http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/tip/numeric_shifted.png

-- 
Michael Smith
Network Applications
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From michael.smith at netapps.com.au  Sat Oct 10 11:24:12 2009
From: michael.smith at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:24:12 +1100
Subject: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
In-Reply-To: <200910101057.07387.ajvogel@tuks.co.za>
References: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
	<2f3aa2770910100122i5ffc22a4lc6e4644c5186ece5@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:57:07 +0200
"Adolph J. Vogel" <ajvogel at tuks.co.za> wrote:

> Nooooooo!, where is the qwerty? :D
> 
> on a more serious note, the qwerty layout is sufficiently imprinted in my 
> mussle memory that any other layout is a deal breaker. (The same goes for 
> navit)

Be thankful I didn't go for AZERTY ;)

Regards,
-- 
Michael Smith
Network Applications
www.netapps.com.au   | +61 (0) 416 062 898
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From freepage at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 11:30:27 2009
From: freepage at gmail.com (Pieter Colpaert)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:30:27 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
In-Reply-To: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
References: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
Message-ID: <1255167027.4589.4.camel@pieterc-laptop>

openmoko-life seems so much easier with a guitarplayer's thumbnail ^^

On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 17:24 +1100, Michael Smith wrote:
> I have created two keyboard layouts for the illume keyboard. They are available from this repository:
> 
> http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/file/tip
> 
> The layouts each have keys as large as I can make them. I found the existing layouts to be of little use without a stylus.
> 
> Regards,



From pike-openmoko at kw.nl  Sat Oct 10 11:47:01 2009
From: pike-openmoko at kw.nl (pike)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:47:01 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
In-Reply-To: <1255167027.4589.4.camel@pieterc-laptop>
References: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
	<1255167027.4589.4.camel@pieterc-laptop>
Message-ID: <4AD05815.3070605@kw.nl>

Hi

>> I have created two keyboard layouts for the illume keyboard. They
>> are  available from this repository:

http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/file/tip

The picture is a 1000 words.
http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/8ae977b23a1c/alpha.png

Very nice. I want it. I guess I'll try
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume_keyboard#How_to_install_a_new_layout

thanks!
*-pike


From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Sat Oct 10 11:55:35 2009
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:55:35 +0300
Subject: [SHR-U latest] Sketch Book missing images
Message-ID: <3494db260910100255t7a5191f9pf9af2bec392e45ae@mail.gmail.com>

when trying to start Sketch Book in the latest SHR I get some errors due to
missing images/icons in png format! Is any place I could download these
files?

Thanks

Tony
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From ajvogel at tuks.co.za  Sat Oct 10 11:58:22 2009
From: ajvogel at tuks.co.za (Adolph J. Vogel)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:58:22 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
In-Reply-To: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
References: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
Message-ID: <200910101158.22285.ajvogel@tuks.co.za>

I dont know much about the illume keyboard, but do the keys have to be square?


-- 
Adolph J. Vogel         BEng(Hons)





From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 12:54:32 2009
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:54:32 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U latest] Sketch Book missing images
In-Reply-To: <3494db260910100255t7a5191f9pf9af2bec392e45ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db260910100255t7a5191f9pf9af2bec392e45ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c30e08170910100354s7d2b24cn9b34d5419a2a8b43@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/10/09, Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com> wrote:
> when trying to start Sketch Book in the latest SHR I get some errors due to
> missing images/icons in png format! Is any place I could download these
> files?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tony
>

opkg install gpe-icons.

Or upgrade. It should be already fixed.

-- 
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
dos


From christian at exinto.de  Sat Oct 10 13:03:01 2009
From: christian at exinto.de (Christian)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:03:01 +0200
Subject: evopedia 0.2.3 release
In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2770910091226w424db65cn5fca568302d6a4fd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ACE5EF3.9010402@exinto.de>
	<2f3aa2770910091226w424db65cn5fca568302d6a4fd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD069E5.3020401@exinto.de>

Robin Paulson schrieb:
> 2009/10/9 Christian <christian at exinto.de>:
>> The following dump languages are available at the moment:
>> Dutch, French, German, Italian, Polish and Spanish.
> 
> could you supply the code used to create the dumps? i realise your
> reticence to create the english dump (i assume size?) - i would be
> interested in creating my own though

I have put the source for the modified mediawiki and the dump scripts as
branches in http://github.com/crei/evopedia/. Please do not hesitate to
ask me if you do not get it runnung. I have not yet created an english
dump mainly because it would take so long, although I am sure that the
dump process can be improved.

Kind regards,
Christian


From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Sat Oct 10 13:25:54 2009
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:25:54 +0300
Subject: [SHR-U latest] removing mplayer icon
Message-ID: <3494db260910100425n5cf680e0m103c3f9a41f6a158@mail.gmail.com>

how is it possible to remove the mplayer icon from the desktop?

Thanks

Tony
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From michael.smith at netapps.com.au  Sat Oct 10 13:27:55 2009
From: michael.smith at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:27:55 +1100
Subject: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
In-Reply-To: <200910101158.22285.ajvogel@tuks.co.za>
References: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
	<200910101158.22285.ajvogel@tuks.co.za>
Message-ID: <20091010222755.09f461a7@michael>

On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:58:22 +0200
"Adolph J. Vogel" <ajvogel at tuks.co.za> wrote:

> I dont know much about the illume keyboard, but do the keys have to be square?
 
No. They just have to be rectangular. Each key has x,y,w,h specified in the kbd file. I had no trouble with these formats. The kbd files are easy to work with.
-- 
Michael Smith
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From ajvogel at tuks.co.za  Sat Oct 10 13:37:53 2009
From: ajvogel at tuks.co.za (Adolph J. Vogel)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:37:53 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
In-Reply-To: <20091010222755.09f461a7@michael>
References: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
	<200910101158.22285.ajvogel@tuks.co.za>
	<20091010222755.09f461a7@michael>
Message-ID: <200910101337.53174.ajvogel@tuks.co.za>

On Saturday 10 October 2009 13:27:55 Michael Smith wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:58:22 +0200
>
> "Adolph J. Vogel" <ajvogel at tuks.co.za> wrote:
> > I dont know much about the illume keyboard, but do the keys have to be
> > square?
>
> No. They just have to be rectangular. Each key has x,y,w,h specified in the
> kbd file. I had no trouble with these formats. The kbd files are easy to
> work with.

:( Rectangular, wont work for what I hand in mind.

-- 
Adolph J. Vogel         BEng(Hons)





From michael.smith at netapps.com.au  Sat Oct 10 13:56:19 2009
From: michael.smith at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:56:19 +1100
Subject: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
In-Reply-To: <200910101337.53174.ajvogel@tuks.co.za>
References: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
	<200910101158.22285.ajvogel@tuks.co.za>
	<20091010222755.09f461a7@michael>
	<200910101337.53174.ajvogel@tuks.co.za>
Message-ID: <20091010225619.58e174cd@michael>

On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:37:53 +0200
"Adolph J. Vogel" <ajvogel at tuks.co.za> wrote:

> On Saturday 10 October 2009 13:27:55 Michael Smith wrote:
> > On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:58:22 +0200
> >
> > "Adolph J. Vogel" <ajvogel at tuks.co.za> wrote:
> > > I dont know much about the illume keyboard, but do the keys have to be
> > > square?
> >
> > No. They just have to be rectangular. Each key has x,y,w,h specified in the
> > kbd file. I had no trouble with these formats. The kbd files are easy to
> > work with.
> 
> :( Rectangular, wont work for what I hand in mind.

Were you thinking about meshed triangular keys? Maybe you should ask the Enlightenment people about that. I have just adapted the existing layouts using information on the wiki page. I am sure there are some tricks there which I don't know about.
-- 
Michael Smith
Network Applications
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From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Sat Oct 10 14:02:44 2009
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-1?q?R=FCb?=)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:02:44 +0200
Subject: Waterproof bag
Message-ID: <200910101402.44755.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

Hi,

has anyone tried one of the waterproof (5m) bags from Aquapac?
Is the "mini" [1] sufficient or is it too tight and it would be better to use "medium" [2]?

Thanks for your replies.

Cheers,
 Christian

[1] http://www.aquapac.net/ukstore/mini-waterproof-phone-case-br-code-104-1119-0.html
[2] http://www.aquapac.net/ukstore/medium-waterproof-phone-case-br-code-124-1120-0.html


From aditya.g8 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 14:09:32 2009
From: aditya.g8 at gmail.com (Aditya Gandhi)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:39:32 +0530
Subject: Where do I discuss these Ideas??
In-Reply-To: <4f51103a0910091251m172fa381ubc8cdbc3728c5794@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f51103a0910090320w3a2f1c17ue93ed06be081729e@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3e504410910090527m170c73f4h439a4493e74b4212@mail.gmail.com>
	<1255103154.7668.0.camel@pieterc-laptop>
	<4f51103a0910091245i4adec16cg61ef86a916f20186@mail.gmail.com>
	<4f51103a0910091251m172fa381ubc8cdbc3728c5794@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4f51103a0910100509x5f491a8dr3c78a52dcb46c1bd@mail.gmail.com>

Ordered atmega128 & at80usb32 samples from atmel for the usb joystick, and
the robot.
Have already planned to buy a webcam and make it work with linux and start
with basic image processing

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Aditya Gandhi <aditya.g8 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just one more Idea, wanna know if already implimented or has a better
> alternative, A full qwerty keyborad in landscape mode.
>
> Here we could use it for sms maybe, similar to fatfingershell, use its
> keyboard behind a normal sms screen in the background and type the msg with
> hands while loving to do so....
>
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From ajvogel at tuks.co.za  Sat Oct 10 14:13:43 2009
From: ajvogel at tuks.co.za (Adolph J. Vogel)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:13:43 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
In-Reply-To: <20091010225619.58e174cd@michael>
References: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
	<200910101337.53174.ajvogel@tuks.co.za>
	<20091010225619.58e174cd@michael>
Message-ID: <200910101413.43732.ajvogel@tuks.co.za>

On Saturday 10 October 2009 13:56:19 Michael Smith wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:37:53 +0200
>
> "Adolph J. Vogel" <ajvogel at tuks.co.za> wrote:
> > On Saturday 10 October 2009 13:27:55 Michael Smith wrote:
> > > On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:58:22 +0200
> > >
> > > "Adolph J. Vogel" <ajvogel at tuks.co.za> wrote:
> > > > I dont know much about the illume keyboard, but do the keys have to
> > > > be square?
> > >
> > > No. They just have to be rectangular. Each key has x,y,w,h specified in
> > > the kbd file. I had no trouble with these formats. The kbd files are
> > > easy to work with.
> > >
> > :( Rectangular, wont work for what I hand in mind.
>
> Were you thinking about meshed triangular keys? Maybe you should ask the
> Enlightenment people about that. I have just adapted the existing layouts
> using information on the wiki page. I am sure there are some tricks there
> which I don't know about.

It doesn`t have to be triangular, but some shape that could be meshed would 
work. Circular probably best. But alas...

-- 
Adolph J. Vogel         BEng(Hons)





From jackramone at googlemail.com  Sat Oct 10 15:10:05 2009
From: jackramone at googlemail.com (Jakob)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:10:05 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U] How do you rotate the screen in SHR?
In-Reply-To: <20091010110724.5307308f@michael>
References: <20091010110724.5307308f@michael>
Message-ID: <85aed13c0910100610i49db244i98ed20f80c09b9ae@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Michael Smith
<michael.smith at netapps.com.au> wrote:
> I want to use SHR in landscape mode. Several people have discussed using it on the list but it is not clear to me how enter landscape mode.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks.
> --
> Michael Smith
> Network Applications
> www.netapps.com.au ? | +61 (0) 416 062 898
> Web Hosting ? ? ? ? ?| Internet Services
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>

You could use the screen rotating function under wrench --> screen -->
screen resolution. It's not very comfortable to acess but it's already
built in.

Jake


From michael.smith at netapps.com.au  Sat Oct 10 15:50:34 2009
From: michael.smith at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:50:34 +1100
Subject: [SHR-U] How do you rotate the screen in SHR?
In-Reply-To: <85aed13c0910100610i49db244i98ed20f80c09b9ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091010110724.5307308f@michael>
	<85aed13c0910100610i49db244i98ed20f80c09b9ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091011005034.31f58486@michael>

On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:10:05 +0200
Jakob <jackramone at googlemail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Michael Smith
> <michael.smith at netapps.com.au> wrote:
> > I want to use SHR in landscape mode. Several people have discussed using it on the list but it is not clear to me how enter landscape mode.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks.
> > --
> > Michael Smith
> > Network Applications
> > www.netapps.com.au ? | +61 (0) 416 062 898
> > Web Hosting ? ? ? ? ?| Internet Services
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
> >
> 
> You could use the screen rotating function under wrench --> screen -->
> screen resolution. It's not very comfortable to acess but it's already
> built in.

Thats what I was looking for. I just didn't expect to find it under "resolution". Thanks.
-- 
Michael Smith
Network Applications
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From mike at mikeasoft.com  Sat Oct 10 16:19:23 2009
From: mike at mikeasoft.com (Michael Sheldon)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:19:23 +0100
Subject: Waterproof bag
In-Reply-To: <200910101402.44755.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
References: <200910101402.44755.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <4AD097EB.3040801@mikeasoft.com>

Hi Christian,

Christian R?b wrote:
> has anyone tried one of the waterproof (5m) bags from Aquapac?
> Is the "mini" [1] sufficient or is it too tight and it would be better to use "medium" [2]?

 Yes, I have one, the mini is too small (it almost fits, but not quite),
 luckily Aquapac let me exchange it for a medium which fits without any
problems (although there's a fair amount of excess space).

Cheers,
 Mike.


From jackramone at googlemail.com  Sat Oct 10 17:19:51 2009
From: jackramone at googlemail.com (Jakob)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:19:51 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U] How do you rotate the screen in SHR?
In-Reply-To: <20091011005034.31f58486@michael>
References: <20091010110724.5307308f@michael>
	<85aed13c0910100610i49db244i98ed20f80c09b9ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091011005034.31f58486@michael>
Message-ID: <85aed13c0910100819v19a198cdp78a808c7161b7eaa@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/10/09, Michael Smith <michael.smith at netapps.com.au> wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:10:05 +0200
> Jakob <jackramone at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Michael Smith
>> <michael.smith at netapps.com.au> wrote:
>> > I want to use SHR in landscape mode. Several people have discussed using
>> > it on the list but it is not clear to me how enter landscape mode.
>> >
>> > Any suggestions?
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> > --
>> > Michael Smith
>> > Network Applications
>> > www.netapps.com.au   | +61 (0) 416 062 898
>> > Web Hosting          | Internet Services
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Openmoko community mailing list
>> > community at lists.openmoko.org
>> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>> >
>> >
>>
>> You could use the screen rotating function under wrench --> screen -->
>> screen resolution. It's not very comfortable to acess but it's already
>> built in.
>
> Thats what I was looking for. I just didn't expect to find it under
> "resolution". Thanks.
> --
> Michael Smith
> Network Applications
> www.netapps.com.au   | +61 (0) 416 062 898
> Web Hosting          | Internet Services
>
Yeah it's kinda hidden in the menu woods :D
Your welcome.


From pike-openmoko at kw.nl  Sat Oct 10 17:58:15 2009
From: pike-openmoko at kw.nl (pike)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:58:15 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
In-Reply-To: <4AD05815.3070605@kw.nl>
References: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>	<1255167027.4589.4.camel@pieterc-laptop>
	<4AD05815.3070605@kw.nl>
Message-ID: <4AD0AF17.6090803@kw.nl>

Hi

>>> I have created two keyboard layouts for the illume keyboard. They
>>> are  available from this repository:

> Very nice. I want it. I guess I'll try
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume_keyboard#How_to_install_a_new_layout

That didn't work all that nice :-( Tried to
install them next to raster's keyboards, but
they appeared all empty. Then I replaced
rasters keyboard with these, but Enlightenment
segfaulted, had to restart, lost my ssh into
the brick and Enlightment wouldnt get back up
.. ouch .. anyway

The trick is, the files shouldnt
start with comments. I removed the first
4 lines (so it starts with ##KBDCONF-1.0)
and they work like a charm.

Can't really run them side by side with
Raster's, because the keyboard's canvas
sizes are different; apparently, enlightenment
chooses the canvas size of the first keyboard
it finds and sticks to that. I have them
all working now, but raster's keyboards
are swimming in a pool of empty greyness.

Great though - I'll stick to those.

thanks!
*-pike






From nahumba at cs.bgu.ac.il  Sat Oct 10 18:11:43 2009
From: nahumba at cs.bgu.ac.il (flecktor)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:11:43 +0000
Subject: community Digest, Vol 152, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <mailman.63.1254921738.14033.community@lists.openmoko.org>
References: <mailman.63.1254921738.14033.community@lists.openmoko.org>
Message-ID: <COL106-W16A0F8753DD61B4A7BF82C1CA0@phx.gbl>



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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:52:48 +0200
Subject: Re: no wifi

* flecktor <nahumba at cs.bgu.ac.il> [07.10.2009 11:51]:
>    hi everyone,
> 
>    about a year ago , someone wrote in that he had found a way to same more
>    energy from the battry by disabling the wifi, and added 2-3 commands that
>    do that.
> 
>    i executed those commands, and now i want to re-enable the wifi again.
>    anyone could know what settings i changed?(silly me live in a mess and
>    don't remember).
> 
>    thanks.
>    flecktor
> 
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Could you post those commands?
Frederik
hi frederik,
im sorry for not having the commands, i dont recall them at all. this is where the problem is at.
i know the defenitions are not in kernel nor jiffs image since i flashed the device since then and used other sd os.

anyone has an idea?
 		 	   		  
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From nahumba at cs.bgu.ac.il  Sat Oct 10 18:22:16 2009
From: nahumba at cs.bgu.ac.il (flecktor)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:22:16 +0000
Subject: community Digest, Vol 152, Issue 30
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i think this is it:

http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1484094


	In reply to this post
	by Matthias Apitz



	Hi,


I was able to disable/re-enable wifi with
following lines, I did however not have the time to check the impact on
battery life....


# using Atheros wmiconfig command to disable wlan 

./wmiconfig -i eth0 --wlan disable



# To re-enable wlan:

./wmiconfig -i eth0 --wlan enable

# set re-association mode 0 :  do send disassoc when reassociation

./wmiconfig -i eth0 --setreassocmode 0

# now try to reconnect wlan using gui

iwlist eth0 scan 



Cheers,


 Filip.

ill test it 

 		 	   		  
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From openmoko-community at meurisse.org  Sat Oct 10 18:40:57 2009
From: openmoko-community at meurisse.org (Vincent Meurisse)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:40:57 +0200
Subject: QtMoko v14
In-Reply-To: <1255013052.25617.6.camel@rp-glum>
References: <1254915862.6052.26.camel@rp-skunk>
	<1254948833359-3784396.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1255013052.25617.6.camel@rp-glum>
Message-ID: <200910101840.57275.openmoko-community@meurisse.org>

On Thursday 08 October 2009 16:44:12 Radek Polak wrote:
> In fact i dont know how much
> bandwidth is allowed on my (activationrecord.net) server so every mirror
> is welcome.
> 
I set up a new mirror on my server : http://qtmoko.meurisse.org/dl/. Feel free 
to advertise it (I already updated the download page on the wiki)

-- 
Vincent Meurisse


From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 18:41:29 2009
From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:41:29 -0700
Subject: [SHR-U latest] removing mplayer icon
In-Reply-To: <3494db260910100425n5cf680e0m103c3f9a41f6a158@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db260910100425n5cf680e0m103c3f9a41f6a158@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f8d5d4f30910100941j2078cbe3v161fc229fa5e248f@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com> wrote:
> how is it possible to remove the mplayer icon from the desktop?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tony
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>

delete the desktop link? /usr/share/applications/***.desktop


From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Sat Oct 10 19:11:19 2009
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:11:19 +0300
Subject: [SHR-U latest] removing mplayer icon
In-Reply-To: <f8d5d4f30910100941j2078cbe3v161fc229fa5e248f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db260910100425n5cf680e0m103c3f9a41f6a158@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8d5d4f30910100941j2078cbe3v161fc229fa5e248f@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:41 PM, jeremy jozwik <jerjoz.forums at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> > how is it possible to remove the mplayer icon from the desktop?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
> >
>
> delete the desktop link? /usr/share/applications/***.desktop
>
>
that's exactly the problem! There is no mplayer.desktop in that dir!

Thanks

Tony
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From neo at el-hennig.de  Sat Oct 10 19:19:52 2009
From: neo at el-hennig.de (Lars Hennig)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:19:52 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U latest] removing mplayer icon
In-Reply-To: <3494db260910101011ge32f52ej62de6af87cba2da5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db260910100425n5cf680e0m103c3f9a41f6a158@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8d5d4f30910100941j2078cbe3v161fc229fa5e248f@mail.gmail.com>
	<3494db260910101011ge32f52ej62de6af87cba2da5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910101919.52340.neo@el-hennig.de>

Am Samstag 10 Oktober 2009 schrieb Tony Berth:
> that's exactly the problem! There is no mplayer.desktop in that dir!

At first boot you can add applications to quicklauncher (?). If I remember 
correctly Mplayer was set there as default. 

I am not sure if that is the correct name. I don't know exactly how you can 
remove the applications from there. 


-- 
Lars

 Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology:
   There's always one more bug.


From atax at email.it  Sat Oct 10 19:45:45 2009
From: atax at email.it (A.A.)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:45:45 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
In-Reply-To: <4AD0AF17.6090803@kw.nl>
References: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
	<1255167027.4589.4.camel@pieterc-laptop> <4AD05815.3070605@kw.nl>
	<4AD0AF17.6090803@kw.nl>
Message-ID: <43bc49bd0910101045y34f30aadxe7c42701449a5427@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

how can I download the keyboard layout?

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From fercerpav at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 20:20:43 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:20:43 +0400
Subject: community Digest, Vol 152, Issue 30
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W4216C5A72F14560D9FA7D7C1CA0@phx.gbl> (flecktor's message
	of "Sat\, 10 Oct 2009 16\:22\:16 +0000")
References: <mailman.188.1255182661.14033.community@lists.openmoko.org>
	<COL106-W4216C5A72F14560D9FA7D7C1CA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <m263an9klg.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

flecktor <nahumba at cs.bgu.ac.il> writes:
> In reply to this post by Matthias Apitz 
> I was able to disable/re-enable wifi with following lines, I did
> however not have the time to check the impact on battery life....
>
> # using Atheros wmiconfig command to disable wlan
> ./wmiconfig -i eth0 --wlan disable
>
> # To re-enable wlan:
> ./wmiconfig -i eth0 --wlan enable
> # set re-association mode 0 :  do send disassoc when reassociation
> ./wmiconfig -i eth0 --setreassocmode 0
> # now try to reconnect wlan using gui
> iwlist eth0 scan

These commands are not what a sane user wants to disable and enable
wifi and save power. For FSO-based distros, read FSO_Resources
wikipage, for all others i advice to learn binding/unbinding trick or
just module load/unload.

-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com


From Joan.doe at gmx.net  Sat Oct 10 23:19:10 2009
From: Joan.doe at gmx.net (Joan.doe at gmx.net)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:19:10 +0200
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <200910091427.44591.mikeumo@gmail.com>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>
	<B633E781-FC48-4A1C-8E89-BE672C833F28@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
	<20091009134211.e689913a.Joan.doe@gmx.net>
	<200910091427.44591.mikeumo@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091010231910.ef86c1b2.Joan.doe@gmx.net>

On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:27:44 -0500
Mikhail Umorin <mikeumo at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday 09 October 2009 06:42:11 Joan.doe at gmx.net wrote:
> > On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 00:31:43 +0100
> >
> > Stroller <stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
> > > On 8 Oct 2009, at 22:15, Mikhail Umorin wrote:
> > > > On Thursday 08 October 2009 11:57:38 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> > > >> either you are in a zone with weak signal from 4508 and 2DF1 (so you
> > > >> jump frequently from one to the other) or yes, you probably are
> > > >> suffering
> > > >> from #1024 :(
> > > >
> > > > What's the best way to differentiate? Stand by a cell tower and wait
> > > > for a
> > > > couple of hours?
> > >
> > > It has already been posted here:
> > >
> > >     Under normal circumstances you would only see these messages with a
> > >     change of cell, so cid would be different. The only time I know of
> > >     that you might legitimately see repeated reconnection to the same
> > > cell
> > >     is if you've got very low signal and it's the only cell visible.
> > >
> > > I am really unclear why you feel the need to ask - yet again - if
> > > you're affected by #1024, when all the symptoms so clearly seem to
> > > point to it.
> > >
> > > Your Freerunner is of one of the batches affected, yes?
> > >
> > > Your Freerunner is reregistering. Obviously.
> > >
> > > Do you really have reason to believe you're in an area which receives
> > > poor coverage from these two towers? What signal strength do mobile
> > > phones generally show in your house? Or are you just grasping at
> > > straws, hoping your Freerunner is unaffected?
> > >
> > > Stroller.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Openmoko community mailing list
> > > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
> > Am i the only one who sees 3 towers?
> >
> 
> 
> if you are referring to my log, there are actually 8 towers: 2DF1, 2CED, 4508, 
> 4506, 4507, 2B20, 2B21, and 2B04
> 
> What's up with that?
> 

Sorry pedantic post, like to withdraw the previous post.


From ssj2micvm at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 21:23:46 2009
From: ssj2micvm at gmail.com (Michele Brocco)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:23:46 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U latest] removing mplayer icon
In-Reply-To: <200910101919.52340.neo@el-hennig.de>
References: <3494db260910100425n5cf680e0m103c3f9a41f6a158@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8d5d4f30910100941j2078cbe3v161fc229fa5e248f@mail.gmail.com>
	<3494db260910101011ge32f52ej62de6af87cba2da5@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910101919.52340.neo@el-hennig.de>
Message-ID: <f36e37470910101223m6998d194u5bef4ab967bd5e86@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/10/09, Lars Hennig <neo at el-hennig.de> wrote:
> Am Samstag 10 Oktober 2009 schrieb Tony Berth:
>> that's exactly the problem! There is no mplayer.desktop in that dir!
>
> At first boot you can add applications to quicklauncher (?). If I remember
> correctly Mplayer was set there as default.
>
> I am not sure if that is the correct name. I don't know exactly how you can
> remove the applications from there.
>
>
I had the same problem. There are some more .desktop files under your
home directory in some hidden subfolder (if I remember it was
~/.local/share/applications/). just look for them with find -name
*.desktop from your home folder and u will find also the
mplayer.desktop file.


From michael.smith at netapps.com.au  Sat Oct 10 22:21:11 2009
From: michael.smith at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:21:11 +1100
Subject: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
In-Reply-To: <4AD0AF17.6090803@kw.nl>
References: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
	<1255167027.4589.4.camel@pieterc-laptop> <4AD05815.3070605@kw.nl>
	<4AD0AF17.6090803@kw.nl>
Message-ID: <20091011072111.6c65f1ae@michael>

On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:58:15 +0200
pike <pike-openmoko at kw.nl> wrote:

> Hi
> 
> >>> I have created two keyboard layouts for the illume keyboard. They
> >>> are  available from this repository:
> 
> > Very nice. I want it. I guess I'll try
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume_keyboard#How_to_install_a_new_layout
> 
> That didn't work all that nice :-( Tried to
> install them next to raster's keyboards, but
> they appeared all empty. Then I replaced
> rasters keyboard with these, but Enlightenment
> segfaulted, had to restart, lost my ssh into
> the brick and Enlightment wouldnt get back up
> .. ouch .. anyway
> 
> The trick is, the files shouldnt
> start with comments. I removed the first
> 4 lines (so it starts with ##KBDCONF-1.0)
> and they work like a charm.
> 
> Can't really run them side by side with
> Raster's, because the keyboard's canvas
> sizes are different; apparently, enlightenment
> chooses the canvas size of the first keyboard
> it finds and sticks to that. I have them
> all working now, but raster's keyboards
> are swimming in a pool of empty greyness.
> 
> Great though - I'll stick to those.

Oops sorry about that. I added the comments at the after I tested the last version. Bad luck finding a bug like that.

I noticed that the keyboard window retains the geometry given to it by my larger keyboard layout. This was the reason why I started to update the numeric layout to the same size as the alphanumeric one.

I have updated my repository

http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/rev/1d5e2a734703

...and tested that actual version on my phone. Thanks for giving it a go. I occasionally need the terminal layout so I may attempt a new version of that one as well.
-- 
Michael Smith
Network Applications
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From michael.smith at netapps.com.au  Sat Oct 10 22:31:41 2009
From: michael.smith at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:31:41 +1100
Subject: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
In-Reply-To: <43bc49bd0910101045y34f30aadxe7c42701449a5427@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
	<1255167027.4589.4.camel@pieterc-laptop> <4AD05815.3070605@kw.nl>
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Message-ID: <20091011073141.685d6634@michael>

On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:45:45 +0200
"A.A." <atax at email.it> wrote:

> how can I download the keyboard layout?

1. Download these two files:

http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/1d5e2a734703/Alpha.kbd

http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/1d5e2a734703/Numbers.kbd

2. Use SSH networking to copy them to the phone

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking

3. On the phone copy both files to /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards

4. Restart Enlightenment

killall -HUP enlightenment

It should also be possible to download them directly on the phone, then use the terminal to move the files to the correct location.
-- 
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From pike-openmoko at kw.nl  Sat Oct 10 23:05:43 2009
From: pike-openmoko at kw.nl (pike)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:05:43 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
In-Reply-To: <20091011072111.6c65f1ae@michael>
References: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>	<1255167027.4589.4.camel@pieterc-laptop>
	<4AD05815.3070605@kw.nl>	<4AD0AF17.6090803@kw.nl>
	<20091011072111.6c65f1ae@michael>
Message-ID: <4AD0F727.1070703@kw.nl>

Hi


> I occasionally need the terminal layout so I may attempt a new
 > version of that one as well.

actually the 'type' of  Alpha.kbd
is set to 'TERMINAL' instead of  'ALPHA'.

I haven't noticed any difference though.
I think it's the quotes around the second
character that makes it use the dictionray
prediction.

One character I was instantly missing was
the ":". I had to use the 'Terminal' layout
to type a smiley :-)



Thanks!
*-pike


From michael.smith at netapps.com.au  Sat Oct 10 23:27:25 2009
From: michael.smith at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:27:25 +1100
Subject: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
In-Reply-To: <4AD0F727.1070703@kw.nl>
References: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
	<1255167027.4589.4.camel@pieterc-laptop> <4AD05815.3070605@kw.nl>
	<4AD0AF17.6090803@kw.nl> <20091011072111.6c65f1ae@michael>
	<4AD0F727.1070703@kw.nl>
Message-ID: <20091011082725.56f22673@michael>

On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:05:43 +0200
pike <pike-openmoko at kw.nl> wrote:

> Hi
> 
> 
> > I occasionally need the terminal layout so I may attempt a new
>  > version of that one as well.
> 
> actually the 'type' of  Alpha.kbd
> is set to 'TERMINAL' instead of  'ALPHA'.
> 
> I haven't noticed any difference though.
> I think it's the quotes around the second
> character that makes it use the dictionray
> prediction.
> 
> One character I was instantly missing was
> the ":". I had to use the 'Terminal' layout
> to type a smiley :-)

Yes I did that because I was trying to inhibit the predictive behaviour of the alphabetical keyboard to make it more like the terminal keyboard. I wrote these layouts for my wife so she could use the phone without a stylus. She has a strong dislike for predictive "T9" style input methods. On her Motorola she prefers to press every key three times when typing an SMS.

She is traveling soon but decided not to take the openmoko because it doesn't have a UI to display sent SMS messages. Also it was a bit tricky to use.

I will set those layouts to the correct type and reissue them in the next couple of days. I will also see what I can do about the colon character.
-- 
Michael Smith
Network Applications
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From aditya.g8 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 01:34:23 2009
From: aditya.g8 at gmail.com (Aditya Gandhi)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:04:23 +0530
Subject: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
In-Reply-To: <200909272135.25356.chris@csamuel.org>
References: <BAY114-W31BFBC9BAAB54020111C66B2DD0@phx.gbl>
	<b66a83e00909211314i6c32c307pfe8d6c214de971b1@mail.gmail.com>
	<200909272135.25356.chris@csamuel.org>
Message-ID: <4f51103a0910101634s579cfdfm5cf7094aea82a0a@mail.gmail.com>

That is so sad to hear google android without maps, gmail, etc... is there
anyway to get those binaries and have them run on freerunner??

On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Chris Samuel <chris at csamuel.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 06:14:32 am Warren Baird wrote:
>
> > Is there a summary somewhere around what works and what doesn't, and how
> > close it is to being usable as an 'every day' phone?
>
> I'm using Michael "Panicking" Trimarchi's v15 image as an everyday phone
> and
> it works nicely.
>
> I've got working GSM (no echo), SMS, Wifi & GPS and I can easily set Ogg
> files
> as my ringtone through the Android "Music" application (tested with Ziggy
> Stardust by Bauhaus :-) ).  Bluetooth can see other BT devices but I've
> never
> tried to use it.
>
> Be aware that some of the Android applications you might expect to find if
> you've seen a G1 (Android Market, Maps, Google Talk, Voice, GMail, etc)
> won't
> be there as they're not open source and you're not permitted to
> redistribute
> them (as the Cyanogenmod maintainer has just discovered the hard way when
> Google asked him to stop distributing his alternative firmware for the G1
> with
> those apps in).
>
> cheers!
> Chris
> --
>  Chris Samuel  :  http://www.csamuel.org/  :  Melbourne, VIC
>
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From rms at 1407.org  Sun Oct 11 01:48:32 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:48:32 +0100
Subject: ElmDentica 0.7.0 is out!
Message-ID: <20091010234832.GA17636@roque.1407.org>

Hi everyone! ElmDentica hasn?t had a new release for a while (*cough*cough*
proving it works so well *cough*cough*), so I though I should share with you
the new stuff in the development of this release.

The news are:

    * Replacement of the side buttons by hover?s fired up by pressing for
    * about 1s over the bubble
    * Usage of inwins for entering user and domain data in the settings
    * window
    * Usage of hoversel to gain a few more space on the toolbar, specially
    * for future features

http://files.1407.org/openmoko/elmdentica/elmdentica-0.7.0-scap.png

http://files.1407.org/openmoko/elmdentica/elmdentica-0.7.0-scap-2.png

So that?s about it? you can get the package from the usual places, the
project?s web-site, by upgrading shr-unstable as it upgrades elmdentica on
next autobuild, building it yourself, etc?

    * http://elmdentica.googlecode.com/files/elmdentica-0.7.0.tar.gz
    * http://elmdentica.googlecode.com/files/elmdentica-0.7.0.tar.gz.asc
    * http://elmdentica.googlecode.com/files/elmdentica_0.7.0-r4_armv4t.ipk
    * http://elmdentica.googlecode.com/files/elmdentica_0.7.0-r4_armv4t.ipk.asc

Enjoy! :)

Rui


From mikeumo at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 04:34:16 2009
From: mikeumo at gmail.com (Mikhail Umorin)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:34:16 -0500
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <20091010231910.ef86c1b2.Joan.doe@gmx.net>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910091427.44591.mikeumo@gmail.com>
	<20091010231910.ef86c1b2.Joan.doe@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <200910102134.17010.mikeumo@gmail.com>

On Saturday 10 October 2009 16:19:10 Joan.doe at gmx.net wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:27:44 -0500
>
> Mikhail Umorin <mikeumo at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday 09 October 2009 06:42:11 Joan.doe at gmx.net wrote:
> > > On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 00:31:43 +0100
> > >
> > > Stroller <stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > On 8 Oct 2009, at 22:15, Mikhail Umorin wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday 08 October 2009 11:57:38 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> > > > >> either you are in a zone with weak signal from 4508 and 2DF1 (so
> > > > >> you jump frequently from one to the other) or yes, you probably
> > > > >> are suffering
> > > > >> from #1024 :(
> > > > >
> > > > > What's the best way to differentiate? Stand by a cell tower and
> > > > > wait for a
> > > > > couple of hours?
> > > >
> > > > It has already been posted here:
> > > >
> > > >     Under normal circumstances you would only see these messages with
> > > > a change of cell, so cid would be different. The only time I know of
> > > > that you might legitimately see repeated reconnection to the same
> > > > cell
> > > >     is if you've got very low signal and it's the only cell visible.
> > > >
> > > > I am really unclear why you feel the need to ask - yet again - if
> > > > you're affected by #1024, when all the symptoms so clearly seem to
> > > > point to it.
> > > >
> > > > Your Freerunner is of one of the batches affected, yes?
> > > >
> > > > Your Freerunner is reregistering. Obviously.
> > > >
> > > > Do you really have reason to believe you're in an area which receives
> > > > poor coverage from these two towers? What signal strength do mobile
> > > > phones generally show in your house? Or are you just grasping at
> > > > straws, hoping your Freerunner is unaffected?
> > > >
> > > > Stroller.
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Openmoko community mailing list
> > > > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> > >
> > > Am i the only one who sees 3 towers?
> >
> > if you are referring to my log, there are actually 8 towers: 2DF1, 2CED,
> > 4508, 4506, 4507, 2B20, 2B21, and 2B04
> >
> > What's up with that?
>
> Sorry pedantic post, like to withdraw the previous post.
>

Oh, I did not even think of that. (It took me a perl script to count all the 
different ones). I am just really interested in why so many towers?  Here is a 
log with deep sleep disabled. It started around 2009-10-09 21:00

[2009-10-10 06:15:17.647316] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
[2009-10-10 06:15:51.057840] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-10 07:14:58.962122] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
[2009-10-10 07:15:31.443058] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-10 07:43:48.193318] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
[2009-10-10 07:44:22.093633] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
[2009-10-10 12:43:26.834672] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
[2009-10-10 12:43:50.832594] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775


so, I guess, this is "normal"




From stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk  Sun Oct 11 06:01:42 2009
From: stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk (Stroller)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:01:42 +0100
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <200910102134.17010.mikeumo@gmail.com>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910091427.44591.mikeumo@gmail.com>
	<20091010231910.ef86c1b2.Joan.doe@gmx.net>
	<200910102134.17010.mikeumo@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31D54E67-BADF-40A3-887E-0DA6B277006F@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>


On 11 Oct 2009, at 03:34, Mikhail Umorin wrote:
> ...
> I am just really interested in why so many towers?  Here is a
> log with deep sleep disabled. It started around 2009-10-09 21:00
>
> [2009-10-10 06:15:17.647316] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-10 06:15:51.057840] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-10 07:14:58.962122] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-10 07:15:31.443058] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-10 07:43:48.193318] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-10 07:44:22.093633] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
> [2009-10-10 12:43:26.834672] Signal : cid=2DF1, lac=2775
> [2009-10-10 12:43:50.832594] Signal : cid=4508, lac=2775
>
>
> so, I guess, this is "normal"
>

I would imagine towers from different companies is part of it.

Also, there are going to be areas on the edge of coverage where your  
phone can detect the signal, but reception would be very poor  
(frequent drop outs &c). So the distribution of cell towers will  
reflects that - enough so there's always one you get good coverage  
from, and incidentally there will always be some more distant ones  
your phone can recognise.

If I'm understanding this right, the phone may be registering with  
these more distant towers, which might beg the "why" question. But  
it's likely the cell companies have lots of towers with overlapping  
coverage, so it's surely not a problem.

Stroller.



From vanous at penguin.cz  Sun Oct 11 08:57:38 2009
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:57:38 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
References: <6470815AC8514F37BD681EEA8894885F@felix>
	<d3e504410910022320t7ad65f01se1a4bd88de1a261d@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170910030440x7ab2471fp117ded6ff17ffbc0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091003144430.0ae452ae@vanek.robe.cz>
	<c30e08170910030548h465bd9faj5718a557e4ffe57c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091011085738.400ff75f@vanek.robe.cz>

>It worked correctly for long time, just revision used actually in SHR
>has this bug. And it's really old revision, it's possible it was even
>fixed long time ago.

i tried this again in the mrmoku unstable release and no luck either :(

>And it works correctly on landscape and always worked, just in
>revision we're using ATM switching at runtime doesn't work. That's
>correct wording.

i could only find this [1] ticket which is 4 months old and apparently
got no attention but IIRC the keyboard never really worked "corectly" in
landscape. here we perhaps have different opinion on what is correct:

as i remember in the past, in landscape mode the keyboard would use to
show up not being cut BUT it didn't get resized to the true width of the
screen thus it would (not correctly) only allow the user to use the same
size of buttons as in portrait mode. to see the keyboard resized, the
re-enabling keyboard trick had to be used.

as Xglamo kills my fr upon suspend/resume in landscape i never really
bothered but now i tried Xorg and suspend/resume seem to work OK so the
landscape mode can be quite useful already. the glitch is that there is
only one person who can fix this and that's Raster...

perhaps at least we raised the issue once again...
Petr



[1] http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/358



From tingox at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 12:45:30 2009
From: tingox at gmail.com (Torfinn Ingolfsen)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:45:30 +0200
Subject: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
In-Reply-To: <20091010194611.2448bd8f@michael>
References: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
	<2f3aa2770910100122i5ffc22a4lc6e4644c5186ece5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091010194611.2448bd8f@michael>
Message-ID: <ef8c8a880910110345o229449d6ia22d93fcbe3b7d8e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Michael Smith <
michael.smith at netapps.com.au> wrote:

> Yes.
>
> http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/alpha.png
>
>
> http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/numeric.png
>
>
Very nice keyboards.
Does anyone know if it is possible to get keyboards like these on QtMoko?
-- 
Regards,
Torfinn Ingolfsen
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From jeffrey.ratcliffe at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 16:58:01 2009
From: jeffrey.ratcliffe at gmail.com (Jeffrey Ratcliffe)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:58:01 +0200
Subject: HOWTO: Sharing SHR-U GPRS to *buntu laptop
In-Reply-To: <200910081551.21246.mickey@vanille-media.de>
References: <d3e504410909251117x179b9a75w5cd1947a37323054@mail.gmail.com>
	<29A46562-1F0C-4A19-A2EB-379FA9155E19@vanille-media.de>
	<30e395780910071424se7bb6c4xb3108a45000dcc18@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910081551.21246.mickey@vanille-media.de>
Message-ID: <20091011145801.GA4778@desktop1-ubuntu>

On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 03:51:21PM +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> As per mdbus --help, you need a busname and an objectname before the method -- 
> you can gather these by recursively calling mdbus -s ...

OK. Got it working:

$ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.onetworkd /org/freesmartphone/Network org.freesmartphone.Network.StartConnectionSharingWithInterface usb0

I was able to access the DHCP server from my Eee PC running Jaunty by
copying the MAC address from the static entry in network-manager, and
created a new entry with the same MAC but DHCP rather than a static IP
address.

It seems very slow.

ping www.google.com directly from the FR is ~750ms, from the Eee PC
via the tether started on 2000ms and settled on 950. Is a 200ms
difference to be expected?

mutt started and loaded the headers reasonably quickly, but simply scrolling up and down the
index view without reading the messages was unusably slow, so I tried gmail from firefox,
which promptly crashed the connection. On first view, it seems it was the dhcp connection that
crashed, as I was unable to reconnect to it.

After using GPRS I cannot suspend, which is evidently a seperate issue
- and after some playing, after using GPRS, I have to reboot the FR to
make it usuably as a phone again.

> >and how would you turn it off again?
> 
> This is not implemented yet :) Add me a ticket and I'll do it.

Done[1]

Thanks for the help

Regards

Jeff

[1] http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/485
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From hermann.lacheiner at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 17:40:11 2009
From: hermann.lacheiner at gmail.com (Hermann Lacheiner)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:40:11 +0200
Subject: Selling my Freerunner (Austria)
Message-ID: <d8fcd5490910110840u49e61a33uc8095a7db891c722@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all!

I am selling my Freerunner because of limited time. It is fully
functional and it is not much used. There are no scratches on the
display or on the case. I have bought the device in April 2009 from
pulster (Germany). The "Date Code" inside states 20081017". So I think
it has the buzz issue? In any case the Freeunner has not the manual
buzz fix applied. In Austria (provider A1) I had no problems with the
buzz issue.
It countains following accessories:
* USB cable
* 2GB micro SD
* charger
* pen

If you are interested send me your proposed price. I preferably ship
the device to countries in Europe.

Hermann


From infibit at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 20:30:38 2009
From: infibit at gmail.com (RANJAN)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:00:38 +0530
Subject: Open Moko free runner as GPS tracking device for automobiles and 
	Vibration test rig
Message-ID: <1a9a6b160910111130k5a1b408fl68e1fc149466c593@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Check out the attempt of I and my team of friends:

GPS tracking using FR on a CAR:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtS_pU9kyp8&feature=channel

Vibration measurement and Analysis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5fUorY2ekM&feature=channel

Regards
Sriranjan
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From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Sun Oct 11 22:43:23 2009
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:43:23 +0200
Subject: opimd: unified api for sent/received
In-Reply-To: <200909300940.20661.perezdiez@gmail.com>
References: <op.uzxktdeq41evsb@slm-wxp-770.sprachwiss.uni-hamburg.de>
	<200909300940.20661.perezdiez@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.u1nk59a441evsb@eeeginguppin>

> I didn't notice your message until I did a web search on opimd zhone.  
> Did you
> publish your path?

no, i didn't.
due to some stability issues with zhone/fso (after some restarts zhone was  
unable to connect to gsm unless restartting frameworkd, and after a while  
not even then but only after a full reboot) i shelved it, since i had more  
pressing issues in real life (examns) and afterwards holidays w/o inet.

it was meant mostly to get my fingers warm with opimd with the added  
benefit of zhone being able to use it, never really meant to be _fully_  
functional.
since the fso debian packages have made some progress the last weeks  
(didn't test yet), maybe phoneutils now works stable, making  
shr-[dialer|messages] usable. if so, zhone will not need to be updated to  
opimd -- for me, that is.


From aditya.g8 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 23:02:14 2009
From: aditya.g8 at gmail.com (Aditya Gandhi)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 02:32:14 +0530
Subject: Open Moko free runner as GPS tracking device for automobiles and 
	Vibration test rig
In-Reply-To: <1a9a6b160910111130k5a1b408fl68e1fc149466c593@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a9a6b160910111130k5a1b408fl68e1fc149466c593@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4f51103a0910111402h29217156ma9044829502bb515@mail.gmail.com>

Awesome dude... I'm inspired !!

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:00 AM, RANJAN <infibit at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Check out the attempt of I and my team of friends:
>
> GPS tracking using FR on a CAR:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtS_pU9kyp8&feature=channel
>
> Vibration measurement and Analysis:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5fUorY2ekM&feature=channel
>
> Regards
> Sriranjan
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From mobi at mobiphil.com  Sun Oct 11 23:20:34 2009
From: mobi at mobiphil.com (mobi phil)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:20:34 +0200
Subject: Waterproof bag
In-Reply-To: <4AD097EB.3040801@mikeasoft.com>
References: <200910101402.44755.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<4AD097EB.3040801@mikeasoft.com>
Message-ID: <a4875c0e0910111420v3df83443h42b083c054f546c@mail.gmail.com>

go for medium, you might want to put some dolarrs and other papers
into it, when you go under water... :)

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Michael Sheldon <mike at mikeasoft.com> wrote:
> Hi Christian,
>
> Christian R?b wrote:
>> has anyone tried one of the waterproof (5m) bags from Aquapac?
>> Is the "mini" [1] sufficient or is it too tight and it would be better to use "medium" [2]?
>
> ?Yes, I have one, the mini is too small (it almost fits, but not quite),
> ?luckily Aquapac let me exchange it for a medium which fits without any
> problems (although there's a fair amount of excess space).
>
> Cheers,
> ?Mike.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



-- 
rgrds,
mobi phil

being mobile, but including technology
http://mobiphil.com


From risto at kurppa.fi  Mon Oct 12 06:44:01 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:44:01 +0300
Subject: Open Moko free runner as GPS tracking device for automobiles and 
	Vibration test rig
In-Reply-To: <4f51103a0910111402h29217156ma9044829502bb515@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a9a6b160910111130k5a1b408fl68e1fc149466c593@mail.gmail.com>
	<4f51103a0910111402h29217156ma9044829502bb515@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d3e504410910112144t64a7e38ao4a9fee8b32d2a299@mail.gmail.com>

Wov, this is nice?

Where's the code, do you use Freerunner to log the data & then analyze
it later on a desktop?

Thanks!




r





-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Mon Oct 12 10:46:02 2009
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:46:02 +0300
Subject: [SHR-U latest] removing mplayer icon
In-Reply-To: <f36e37470910101223m6998d194u5bef4ab967bd5e86@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db260910100425n5cf680e0m103c3f9a41f6a158@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8d5d4f30910100941j2078cbe3v161fc229fa5e248f@mail.gmail.com>
	<3494db260910101011ge32f52ej62de6af87cba2da5@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910101919.52340.neo@el-hennig.de>
	<f36e37470910101223m6998d194u5bef4ab967bd5e86@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3494db260910120146y61ecf9b9qb7845a06ee4abb6f@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Michele Brocco <ssj2micvm at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 10/10/09, Lars Hennig <neo at el-hennig.de> wrote:
> > Am Samstag 10 Oktober 2009 schrieb Tony Berth:
> >> that's exactly the problem! There is no mplayer.desktop in that dir!
> >
> > At first boot you can add applications to quicklauncher (?). If I
> remember
> > correctly Mplayer was set there as default.
> >
> > I am not sure if that is the correct name. I don't know exactly how you
> can
> > remove the applications from there.
> >
> >
> I had the same problem. There are some more .desktop files under your
> home directory in some hidden subfolder (if I remember it was
> ~/.local/share/applications/). just look for them with find -name
> *.desktop from your home folder and u will find also the
> mplayer.desktop file.
>
>
>
indeed the path is:

/home/root/.local/share/applications/mplayer.desktop

Thanks

Tony
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From frederik.sdun at googlemail.com  Mon Oct 12 12:17:57 2009
From: frederik.sdun at googlemail.com (Frederik Sdun)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:17:57 +0200
Subject: ElmDentica 0.7.0 is out!
In-Reply-To: <20091010234832.GA17636@roque.1407.org>
References: <20091010234832.GA17636@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <20091012101757.GA4824@playya-laptop>

* Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org> [11.10.2009 01:49]:
> Hi everyone! ElmDentica hasn?t had a new release for a while (*cough*cough*
> proving it works so well *cough*cough*), so I though I should share with you
> the new stuff in the development of this release.
> 
> The news are:
> 
>     * Replacement of the side buttons by hover?s fired up by pressing for
>     * about 1s over the bubble
>     * Usage of inwins for entering user and domain data in the settings
>     * window
>     * Usage of hoversel to gain a few more space on the toolbar, specially
>     * for future features
> 
> http://files.1407.org/openmoko/elmdentica/elmdentica-0.7.0-scap.png
> 
> http://files.1407.org/openmoko/elmdentica/elmdentica-0.7.0-scap-2.png
> 
> So that?s about it? you can get the package from the usual places, the
> project?s web-site, by upgrading shr-unstable as it upgrades elmdentica on
> next autobuild, building it yourself, etc?
> 
>     * http://elmdentica.googlecode.com/files/elmdentica-0.7.0.tar.gz
>     * http://elmdentica.googlecode.com/files/elmdentica-0.7.0.tar.gz.asc
>     * http://elmdentica.googlecode.com/files/elmdentica_0.7.0-r4_armv4t.ipk
>     * http://elmdentica.googlecode.com/files/elmdentica_0.7.0-r4_armv4t.ipk.asc
> 
> Enjoy! :)
> 
> Rui
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Hi,
nice screenshots. Do you use bitbake or the toolchain to build the
packages? I couldn't start it until i linked some elm libs.
SHR already builds from your svn repository, so we only have to change
the version.

Regards, Frederik
-- 
IRC: playya @ Freenode, Gimpnet
xmpp: playya at draugr.de
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From rms at 1407.org  Mon Oct 12 12:39:19 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:39:19 +0100
Subject: ElmDentica 0.7.0 is out!
In-Reply-To: <20091012101757.GA4824@playya-laptop>
References: <20091010234832.GA17636@roque.1407.org>
	<20091012101757.GA4824@playya-laptop>
Message-ID: <20091012103919.GA2324@roque.1407.org>

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:17:57PM +0200, Frederik Sdun wrote:
> * Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org> [11.10.2009 01:49]:
> > Hi everyone! ElmDentica hasn?t had a new release for a while (*cough*cough*
> > proving it works so well *cough*cough*), so I though I should share with you
> > the new stuff in the development of this release.
> > 
> > The news are:
> > 
> >     * Replacement of the side buttons by hover?s fired up by pressing for
> >     * about 1s over the bubble
> >     * Usage of inwins for entering user and domain data in the settings
> >     * window
> >     * Usage of hoversel to gain a few more space on the toolbar, specially
> >     * for future features
> > 
> > http://files.1407.org/openmoko/elmdentica/elmdentica-0.7.0-scap.png
> > 
> > http://files.1407.org/openmoko/elmdentica/elmdentica-0.7.0-scap-2.png
> > 
> > So that?s about it? you can get the package from the usual places, the
> > project?s web-site, by upgrading shr-unstable as it upgrades elmdentica on
> > next autobuild, building it yourself, etc?
> > 
> >     * http://elmdentica.googlecode.com/files/elmdentica-0.7.0.tar.gz
> >     * http://elmdentica.googlecode.com/files/elmdentica-0.7.0.tar.gz.asc
> >     * http://elmdentica.googlecode.com/files/elmdentica_0.7.0-r4_armv4t.ipk
> >     * http://elmdentica.googlecode.com/files/elmdentica_0.7.0-r4_armv4t.ipk.asc
> > 
> > Enjoy! :)
> > 
> > Rui
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> Hi,
> nice screenshots. Do you use bitbake or the toolchain to build the
> packages? I couldn't start it until i linked some elm libs.
> SHR already builds from your svn repository, so we only have to change
> the version.

Bitbake. What shr are you using? I haven't had any problems with the package I
built on current shr-u, but that means only 1 in 1 samples haven't had problems :)

Rui


From frederik.sdun at googlemail.com  Mon Oct 12 13:32:46 2009
From: frederik.sdun at googlemail.com (Frederik Sdun)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:32:46 +0200
Subject: ElmDentica 0.7.0 is out!
In-Reply-To: <20091012103919.GA2324@roque.1407.org>
References: <20091010234832.GA17636@roque.1407.org>
	<20091012101757.GA4824@playya-laptop>
	<20091012103919.GA2324@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <20091012113246.GB4824@playya-laptop>

* Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org> [12.10.2009 12:40]:
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:17:57PM +0200, Frederik Sdun wrote:
> > * Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org> [11.10.2009 01:49]:
> > > Hi everyone! ElmDentica hasn?t had a new release for a while (*cough*cough*
> > > proving it works so well *cough*cough*), so I though I should share with you
> > > the new stuff in the development of this release.
> > > 
> > > The news are:
> > > 
> > >     * Replacement of the side buttons by hover?s fired up by pressing for
> > >     * about 1s over the bubble
> > >     * Usage of inwins for entering user and domain data in the settings
> > >     * window
> > >     * Usage of hoversel to gain a few more space on the toolbar, specially
> > >     * for future features
> > > 
> > > http://files.1407.org/openmoko/elmdentica/elmdentica-0.7.0-scap.png
> > > 
> > > http://files.1407.org/openmoko/elmdentica/elmdentica-0.7.0-scap-2.png
> > > 
> > > So that?s about it? you can get the package from the usual places, the
> > > project?s web-site, by upgrading shr-unstable as it upgrades elmdentica on
> > > next autobuild, building it yourself, etc?
> > > 
> > >     * http://elmdentica.googlecode.com/files/elmdentica-0.7.0.tar.gz
> > >     * http://elmdentica.googlecode.com/files/elmdentica-0.7.0.tar.gz.asc
> > >     * http://elmdentica.googlecode.com/files/elmdentica_0.7.0-r4_armv4t.ipk
> > >     * http://elmdentica.googlecode.com/files/elmdentica_0.7.0-r4_armv4t.ipk.asc
> > > 
> > > Enjoy! :)
> > > 
> > > Rui
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Openmoko community mailing list
> > > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> > Hi,
> > nice screenshots. Do you use bitbake or the toolchain to build the
> > packages? I couldn't start it until i linked some elm libs.
> > SHR already builds from your svn repository, so we only have to change
> > the version.
> 
> Bitbake. What shr are you using? I haven't had any problems with the package I
> built on current shr-u, but that means only 1 in 1 samples haven't had problems :)
> 
> Rui
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
My own build works. But if I use your build i get the following error:

elmdentica: error while loading shared libraries:
libelementary-ver-svn-02.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such
file or directory

Maybe you have to update your E stuff first.

Regards, Frederik
-- 
IRC: playya @ Freenode, Gimpnet
xmpp: playya at draugr.de
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From rms at 1407.org  Mon Oct 12 14:01:16 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:01:16 +0100
Subject: ElmDentica 0.7.0 is out!
In-Reply-To: <20091012113246.GB4824@playya-laptop>
References: <20091010234832.GA17636@roque.1407.org>
	<20091012101757.GA4824@playya-laptop>
	<20091012103919.GA2324@roque.1407.org>
	<20091012113246.GB4824@playya-laptop>
Message-ID: <20091012120116.GB2324@roque.1407.org>

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 01:32:46PM +0200, Frederik Sdun wrote:
> > Bitbake. What shr are you using? I haven't had any problems with the package I
> > built on current shr-u, but that means only 1 in 1 samples haven't had problems :)
> > 
> > Rui
> 
> My own build works. But if I use your build i get the following error:
> 
> elmdentica: error while loading shared libraries:
> libelementary-ver-svn-02.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such
> file or directory
> 
> Maybe you have to update your E stuff first.

What SHR are you using? I'm using SHR-u and I don't run into that!

Rui


From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Mon Oct 12 14:10:26 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:10:26 +0100
Subject: HOWTO: Sharing SHR-U GPRS to *buntu laptop
In-Reply-To: <20091011145801.GA4778@desktop1-ubuntu>
References: <d3e504410909251117x179b9a75w5cd1947a37323054@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910081551.21246.mickey@vanille-media.de>
	<20091011145801.GA4778@desktop1-ubuntu>
Message-ID: <200910121310.26905.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Sunday 11 October 2009, Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 03:51:21PM +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> > As per mdbus --help, you need a busname and an objectname before the
> > method -- you can gather these by recursively calling mdbus -s ...
> 
> OK. Got it working:
> 
> $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.onetworkd /org/freesmartphone/Network
>  org.freesmartphone.Network.StartConnectionSharingWithInterface usb0
> 
> I was able to access the DHCP server from my Eee PC running Jaunty by
> copying the MAC address from the static entry in network-manager, and
> created a new entry with the same MAC but DHCP rather than a static IP
> address.
> 
> It seems very slow.
> 
> ping www.google.com directly from the FR is ~750ms, from the Eee PC
> via the tether started on 2000ms and settled on 950. Is a 200ms
> difference to be expected?

Latency on GPRS is big and highly variable. That's the nature of GPRS, and one 
of the things that makes it unsuitable for VoIP. These numbers don't look 
unusual.


From frederik.sdun at googlemail.com  Mon Oct 12 14:29:55 2009
From: frederik.sdun at googlemail.com (Frederik Sdun)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:29:55 +0200
Subject: ElmDentica 0.7.0 is out!
In-Reply-To: <20091012120116.GB2324@roque.1407.org>
References: <20091010234832.GA17636@roque.1407.org>
	<20091012101757.GA4824@playya-laptop>
	<20091012103919.GA2324@roque.1407.org>
	<20091012113246.GB4824@playya-laptop>
	<20091012120116.GB2324@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <20091012122954.GA16891@playya-laptop>

* Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org> [12.10.2009 14:02]:
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 01:32:46PM +0200, Frederik Sdun wrote:
> > > Bitbake. What shr are you using? I haven't had any problems with the package I
> > > built on current shr-u, but that means only 1 in 1 samples haven't had problems :)
> > > 
> > > Rui
> > 
> > My own build works. But if I use your build i get the following error:
> > 
> > elmdentica: error while loading shared libraries:
> > libelementary-ver-svn-02.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such
> > file or directory
> > 
> > Maybe you have to update your E stuff first.
> 
> What SHR are you using? I'm using SHR-u and I don't run into that!
> 
> Rui
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
I'm building my own Image using the SHR Makefile. Anyone else has this
error?
On my image the libname is: libelementary-ver-pre-svn-04.so.0
If i link it to libelementary-ver-svn-02.so.0 it works.

Regards, Frederik
-- 
IRC: playya @ Freenode, Gimpnet
xmpp: playya at draugr.de
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From rms at 1407.org  Mon Oct 12 14:49:08 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:49:08 +0100
Subject: ElmDentica 0.7.0 is out!
In-Reply-To: <20091012122954.GA16891@playya-laptop>
References: <20091010234832.GA17636@roque.1407.org>
	<20091012101757.GA4824@playya-laptop>
	<20091012103919.GA2324@roque.1407.org>
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	<20091012120116.GB2324@roque.1407.org>
	<20091012122954.GA16891@playya-laptop>
Message-ID: <20091012124908.GE2324@roque.1407.org>

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 02:29:55PM +0200, Frederik Sdun wrote:
> * Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms at 1407.org> [12.10.2009 14:02]:
> > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 01:32:46PM +0200, Frederik Sdun wrote:
> > > > Bitbake. What shr are you using? I haven't had any problems with the package I
> > > > built on current shr-u, but that means only 1 in 1 samples haven't had problems :)
> > > > 
> > > > Rui
> > > 
> > > My own build works. But if I use your build i get the following error:
> > > 
> > > elmdentica: error while loading shared libraries:
> > > libelementary-ver-svn-02.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such
> > > file or directory
> > > 
> > > Maybe you have to update your E stuff first.
> > 
> > What SHR are you using? I'm using SHR-u and I don't run into that!
> > 
> > Rui
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> I'm building my own Image using the SHR Makefile. Anyone else has this
> error?
> On my image the libname is: libelementary-ver-pre-svn-04.so.0
> If i link it to libelementary-ver-svn-02.so.0 it works.

Ah... so you have a more recent elementary!

There's reports of some broken things WRT EFL and Elementary...

Current SHR Unstable has /usr/lib/libelementary-ver-svn-02.so.0

Rui


From ghislain at basetrend.nl  Mon Oct 12 15:58:36 2009
From: ghislain at basetrend.nl (ghislain)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:58:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: uImage.bin v kernel.img
In-Reply-To: <1255348124536-3807470.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1255348124536-3807470.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1255355916344-3808055.post@n2.nabble.com>


uImage.bin (or uImage) is used for booting the installer which in turn
flashes the kernel.img to your Neo.
-- 
View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/uImage-bin-v-kernel-img-tp3807470p3808055.html
Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.


From roland at quru.com  Mon Oct 12 16:16:12 2009
From: roland at quru.com (Roland Whitehead)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:16:12 +0100
Subject: [QTMoko] What is the best way of moving my home directory to the SD
	Card?
Message-ID: <6E948D3C-5831-48D7-8642-4810E462D503@quru.com>

I've just had the root directory on my FAT32 formatted SD card p1 get  
hosed ("Stale NFS file handle") so I ask the very simple question:  
what is the best/most reliable way of moving my home directory from  
NAND to the SDCard? I have the whole of p1 available for my home  
directory so I could mount it as /home/root, I could exit the /etc/ 
passwd file or I could symlink it.

Ideally I'd love to have things like this in a "How to" page on the  
QTMoko wiki. Would anyone complain if I started such a page?

TIA

Roland


From monto84 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 16:40:23 2009
From: monto84 at gmail.com (Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:40:23 +0200
Subject: [QTMoko] What is the best way of moving my home directory to
	the SD Card?
In-Reply-To: <6E948D3C-5831-48D7-8642-4810E462D503@quru.com>
References: <6E948D3C-5831-48D7-8642-4810E462D503@quru.com>
Message-ID: <1255358423.16237.6.camel@localhost>

Il giorno lun, 12/10/2009 alle 15.16 +0100, Roland Whitehead ha scritto:
> I've just had the root directory on my FAT32 formatted SD card p1 get  
> hosed ("Stale NFS file handle") so I ask the very simple question:  
> what is the best/most reliable way of moving my home directory from  
> NAND to the SDCard? I have the whole of p1 available for my home  
> directory so I could mount it as /home/root, I could exit the /etc/ 
> passwd file or I could symlink it.
> 
> Ideally I'd love to have things like this in a "How to" page on the  
> QTMoko wiki. Would anyone complain if I started such a page?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Roland

The best way is to mount your partition on the home because a lot of sw
for the moko aren't coded well and uses always the /home/root as homedir
also if you have changed it.
Moreover mounting the partition gives you tha ability that if your sd
card is gone you can always use your phone with the home in the flash
empty dir used as mountpoint.

If you want more flexibility mount it with "LABEL" instead the device
name so that if the device name change your home isn't affcted.

Bye

Pietro



From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Mon Oct 12 17:05:19 2009
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-1?q?R=FCb?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:05:19 +0200
Subject: Waterproof bag
In-Reply-To: <a4875c0e0910111420v3df83443h42b083c054f546c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910101402.44755.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<4AD097EB.3040801@mikeasoft.com>
	<a4875c0e0910111420v3df83443h42b083c054f546c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910121705.20188.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

Thank you both for your replies. Will go for medium and yes, I will find something for the extra space ;-)

mobi phil wrote:
> go for medium, you might want to put some dolarrs and other papers
> into it, when you go under water... :)
> 
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Michael Sheldon <mike at mikeasoft.com> wrote:
> > Hi Christian,
> >
> > Christian R?b wrote:
> >> has anyone tried one of the waterproof (5m) bags from Aquapac?
> >> Is the "mini" [1] sufficient or is it too tight and it would be better to use "medium" [2]?
> >
> >  Yes, I have one, the mini is too small (it almost fits, but not quite),
> >  luckily Aquapac let me exchange it for a medium which fits without any
> > problems (although there's a fair amount of excess space).
> >
> > Cheers,
> >  Mike.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
> 
> 
> 


From omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org  Mon Oct 12 17:39:23 2009
From: omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org (rhn)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:39:23 +0200
Subject: [SHR] getting an USB dongle to work
Message-ID: <4AD34DAB.2080404@porcupinefactory.org>

Today, I became an owner of a new shiny USB network device. Due to poor WiFi reception indoors, this is a wired Ethernet adapter.

On to the point - the device uses the dm9601 driver, which happens to be packaged in the SHR feeds. However, the driver is not loaded automatically, and doesn't work after manual modprobe && depmod.
Some research on the desktop showed that dm9601 depends on usb_net and mii. However, these two are not present in SHR feeds.

What else should I do to make it work? I'd prefer to avoid recompiling the kernel, but if nothing else works...

Cheers!
rhn


From ccc94453 at vip.cybercity.dk  Mon Oct 12 20:38:38 2009
From: ccc94453 at vip.cybercity.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:38:38 +0200
Subject: Internal pressure sensor
In-Reply-To: <667C8C5E-2718-4E9B-8ACA-1B40541BE73C@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
References: <200909302318.52186.ml@chonyota.net>
	<d3e504410909301453o39ca109as62578190a46b8eaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f7c60c40909301504m38f4987aq1c81fc5f85262f23@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091004130236.GV8873@vip.cybercity.dk>
	<E8ABF945-BF57-42DB-8916-A8B6C79DA3C1@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
	<6f7c60c40910040814l77acec08r19ea591469c0f7af@mail.gmail.com>
	<A5830E4F-15E3-465A-A0B2-1E96E15113A3@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
	<20091006011834.GB21196@almesberger.net>
	<667C8C5E-2718-4E9B-8ACA-1B40541BE73C@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20091012183838.GY8873@vip.cybercity.dk>

On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 07:05:00PM +0100, Stroller wrote:

> Honestly? To add the barometer appears a very easy task. It involves  
> soldering two wires, right?

   Strictly speaking, you need only solder the 3.3 V wire, because the rest
(GND, I2C data and I2C clock) are available at the debug connector. It sure
would have been easier to make addon modules, requiring no soldering from
the end user, if power had been available at the debug connector.

-- 
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year


From ghislain at basetrend.nl  Mon Oct 12 21:40:05 2009
From: ghislain at basetrend.nl (ghislain)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:40:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: uImage.bin v kernel.img
In-Reply-To: <1255365184038-3809062.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1255348124536-3807470.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1255355916344-3808055.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1255365184038-3809062.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1255376405761-3810149.post@n2.nabble.com>


The 'workaround' is correct, that is exactly what the installer does, it
erases the correct mtd's and flashes the bootloader (qi.img), kernel
(kernel.img) and the rootfs (system.img). 
The installer also flashes the mtd for the userdata and extracts the
userdata.img to the folder /data of it.

This is all done in the init script of the former koolu-installer.


ran wrote:
> 
>     How ever the following work around seems to work for larlin atleast.
> Download the zip-file unzip the contents. Run the following dfu-util
> commands:
> 
>     dfu-util -a kernel -R -D kernel.img
>     dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D system.img
>     dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi.img
> 

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From levy.santanna at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 21:49:45 2009
From: levy.santanna at gmail.com (Levy)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:49:45 -0300
Subject: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
In-Reply-To: <4f51103a0910101634s579cfdfm5cf7094aea82a0a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY114-W31BFBC9BAAB54020111C66B2DD0@phx.gbl>
	<b66a83e00909211314i6c32c307pfe8d6c214de971b1@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200909272135.25356.chris@csamuel.org>
	<4f51103a0910101634s579cfdfm5cf7094aea82a0a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a3d52b570910121249g1adc5dfcs5149555e474994a6@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 20:34, Aditya Gandhi <aditya.g8 at gmail.com> wrote:
> That is so sad to hear google android without maps, gmail, etc... is there
> anyway to get those binaries and have them run on freerunner??

One time I made a test with Gmail.apk that I got from a G1 and did not
work! ! :-(


From itman at gmx.net  Mon Oct 12 22:13:05 2009
From: itman at gmx.net (DRSp.)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:13:05 +0200
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
Message-ID: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net>

dear list,

I'm about organizing a #1024-fix-party just without the party-part 'cos 
there's a IT-firm involved.

to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a message 
in this list.


cheers itman


From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Mon Oct 12 22:22:08 2009
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:22:08 +0100
Subject: [debian] unexpected troubles
Message-ID: <49dd78620910121322he6935e2w7ec6616dbd6b0d2f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there...

Is this generally the best place for Debian questions?  Or is
smartphones-userland better?

I've just installed Debian again, and am surprised to be experiencing
some low-level problems.  Hopefully they are easily fixable.

As context, what I'm aiming at is:
- Debian - for the best available package management
- E17 + Illume - for Raster's keyboard, decent launcher and easy
switching between windows
- John Sullivan's fso-el - for performing phone functions from within Emacs.

I've installed e17, and the UI comes up as expected.  I set an overall
scaling factor of 2, to make everything easier to read and press.

The problems I'm seeing now are:

- Load average unreasonably high.  Right now, for example, my top says
"load average: 8.11, 8.13, 8.09".  Yet CPU usage is only reaching
around 6%.

- Emacs never appears, yet can't be killed.  E.g. I clicked on the
launcher icon for Emacs about an hour ago, and nothing has appeared
yet.  "ps waux" shows that there is an emacs process:

root  1579  0.0   3.2   25700  3952 ?       DNs  17:44   0:00 /usr/bin/emacs23

But "kill 1579" and "kill -9 1579" seem to have no effect on this.

- Battery not apparently charging.  I'm using the USB lead from
another Linux computer, which successfully charges OM2009/Paroli and
SHR.  But with Debian there is no + on the battery icon, and no orange
(or blue) light behind the power button.

- ssh (via USB) not working.  The desktop end looks fine:

neil at arudy:~$ netstat -rn
Kernel IP routing table
Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags   MSS Window  irtt Iface
192.168.0.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U         0 0          0 eth1
192.168.11.0    0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U         0 0          0 eth0
0.0.0.0         192.168.11.1    0.0.0.0         UG        0 0          0 eth0

but

neil at arudy:~$ ssh 192.168.0.202 -l root
ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host

- "shutdown -h now" doesn't work, and so I have no way of shutting
down cleanly.  I get a message saying that the system is going down,
but then nothing else happens.

Can anyone see the cause(s) of these problems and suggest how to fix them?

Thanks,
      Neil


From hier-mir-mailen at gmx.de  Mon Oct 12 23:42:18 2009
From: hier-mir-mailen at gmx.de (Konrad Feldmeier)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:42:18 +0200
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
In-Reply-To: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net>
References: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20091012214218.176930@gmx.net>

I'm interested although I'm not from switzerland but from Freiburg, germany...
cheers
-- konrad
> dear list,
> 
> I'm about organizing a #1024-fix-party just without the party-part 'cos 
> there's a IT-firm involved.
> 
> to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a message 
> in this list.
> 
> 
> cheers itman
-- 
Neu: GMX DSL bis 50.000 kBit/s und 200,- Euro Startguthaben!
http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02


From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Tue Oct 13 00:51:00 2009
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:51:00 +0200
Subject: QtMoko - new dowload urls
Message-ID: <200910130051.00450.psonek2@seznam.cz>

Hi,
because enormous traffic i have moved QtMoko downloads to:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/

There is also mirror of my GIT tree (i plan to use it only as backup, main 
development will remain on github) and we can use other SF services if needed 
(like mailing list).

Regards

Radek


From billk at iinet.net.au  Tue Oct 13 01:25:51 2009
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:25:51 +0800
Subject: all: FR and 3G dongle?
Message-ID: <1255389951.13674.32.camel@rattus>

Just come back from a 6 day/~3000km drive holiday up the coast of
Western Australia - looks like GSM is almost obsolete with 3 g coverage
in many places, but no GSM at all (or weirdly, the FR reports "SOS only"
when it looks like 3G only is present when on the 3G SIM :(  Talked to
some truckies in a pub and they all had 3G signals, GSM had none in the
town (Telstra - town was Northhampton, largeish regional centre) - they
said they never use GSM these days as coverage is miserable.

So the FR is now obsolete - but is it possible to use the FR with an
external 3G dongle? - I know it works for data from previous posts here,
but can you make voice/sms calls from an external 3G dongle?

If not, what is a viable, relatively open phone with similar
capabilities (but better quality, and actually works reliably!) to the
FR?

BillK

* We also took a Treo650, a nokia, an LG and an unknown phone on the 3
network.  FR - two major crashes requiring full reboot, one when a call
came whilst using TangoGPS full screen - the others annoyingly, and it
was noticed by my better half they "Just Worked", unlike the FR :(



-- 
William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
Home in Perth!



From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Tue Oct 13 02:36:49 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:36:49 +0100
Subject: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
In-Reply-To: <a3d52b570910121249g1adc5dfcs5149555e474994a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY114-W31BFBC9BAAB54020111C66B2DD0@phx.gbl>
	<4f51103a0910101634s579cfdfm5cf7094aea82a0a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a3d52b570910121249g1adc5dfcs5149555e474994a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910130136.49703.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Monday 12 October 2009, Levy wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 20:34, Aditya Gandhi <aditya.g8 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > That is so sad to hear google android without maps, gmail, etc... is
> > there anyway to get those binaries and have them run on freerunner??
> 
> One time I made a test with Gmail.apk that I got from a G1 and did not
> work! ! :-(

No surprise there. The G1 has a later family of ARM cpu with instructions the 
FR doesn't support.


From jim at anconafamily.com  Tue Oct 13 02:37:04 2009
From: jim at anconafamily.com (Jim Ancona)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:37:04 -0400
Subject: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
In-Reply-To: <a3d52b570910121249g1adc5dfcs5149555e474994a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY114-W31BFBC9BAAB54020111C66B2DD0@phx.gbl>
	<b66a83e00909211314i6c32c307pfe8d6c214de971b1@mail.gmail.com>
	<200909272135.25356.chris@csamuel.org>
	<4f51103a0910101634s579cfdfm5cf7094aea82a0a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a3d52b570910121249g1adc5dfcs5149555e474994a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59af3fb30910121737p33ee961ft3a9952e39d1eeac0@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Levy <levy.santanna at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 20:34, Aditya Gandhi <aditya.g8 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> That is so sad to hear google android without maps, gmail, etc... is there
>> anyway to get those binaries and have them run on freerunner??
>
> One time I made a test with Gmail.apk that I got from a G1 and did not
> work! ! :-(

Many of the Google Apps depend on APIs that aren't in the open source
distribution (e.g. for login). If you are interested, there is quite a
bit of discussion on the android-platform list
(http://groups.google.com/group/android-platform) around what to do
about the missing APIs and applications.

I've been working on an open source clone of the proprietary Google
Maps API. The code is here: http://gitorious.org/android-maps-api It
should be included in upcoming daily and weekly builds for the
android-on-freerunner project.

Jim


From jim at anconafamily.com  Tue Oct 13 02:55:56 2009
From: jim at anconafamily.com (Jim Ancona)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:55:56 -0400
Subject: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
In-Reply-To: <200910130136.49703.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <BAY114-W31BFBC9BAAB54020111C66B2DD0@phx.gbl>
	<4f51103a0910101634s579cfdfm5cf7094aea82a0a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a3d52b570910121249g1adc5dfcs5149555e474994a6@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910130136.49703.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <59af3fb30910121755r73c6a831x157361d711d48add@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Al Johnson
<openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On Monday 12 October 2009, Levy wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 20:34, Aditya Gandhi <aditya.g8 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > That is so sad to hear google android without maps, gmail, etc... is
>> > there anyway to get those binaries and have them run on freerunner??
>>
>> One time I made a test with Gmail.apk that I got from a G1 and did not
>> work! ! :-(
>
> No surprise there. The G1 has a later family of ARM cpu with instructions the
> FR doesn't support.

No, that's not the reason. With the exception of those built with the
new native development kit, apk's (the Android application packaging
format) run in the Dalvik VM and are processor independent. AFAIK, the
issue with is only missing APIs. Of course, that doesn't make Gmail
run any better, but it does mean that apps that are developed using
the public APIs and don't use the NDK should run across Android
platforms regardless of the underlying processor. And in fact, almost
all of the (non-Google) apps I've tried seem to run on my Freerunner.

Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From cristianpark at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 03:58:16 2009
From: cristianpark at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Cristian_G=F3mez?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:58:16 -0500
Subject: Tips when GSM doesn't work
Message-ID: <d5a948d60910121858t57575f4r54ae7881ce2da1bf@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys, I've post this question on the IRC channel andunfortunately I face
that the IRC is abbandoned, only KenYoung answered (Thanks for being there).
I think that IRC makes our lifes more easier. PLEASE DON'T LET IT DIE!!!!!

After this request, this is my question:

I'm using my FR (with SHR - last) as main phone. I experienced sometimes
that when I start SHR, GSM functions doesn't start
I don't know how can I check any log or how can I start manually GSM
services, I type /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart, but I don't know if it's
supossed to solve this issue. Can you give me some advices to take in count
when I have this problem?

What I'm doing was:
it happens to me few hours ago, I was renaming icons of the desktop so I can
have them in the order I want
when I was editing pidgin.desktop I save the file (I was connected via SSH)
and got an error message that give me two choices: Restart - Stop
I press Stop and it goes to the terminal and hangs on a message: restarting
xserver
so I power down by removing the battery (I know, the ugly way) and wait a
few seconds to put it back again. When I power on the FR again, when SHR
starts, I don't have GSM services
I let the FR without any intervention a few minutes and it never get GSM
active, I tried restarting frameworkd and it doesn't do anything

/****************************************
* Don't Worry.......Be Linux!!!!
* Cristian G?mez Alvarez
* Ingeniero en Sistemas y Computaci?n
* Universidad de Caldas
* Comunidad de Software Libre Manizales
* IEEE/WIE Student Member
* Linux User #463617
* Mi Blog: http://cristianpark.sehablalinux.com
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From maxious at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 04:19:41 2009
From: maxious at gmail.com (Alex (Maxious) Sadleir)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:19:41 +1100
Subject: Tips when GSM doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <d5a948d60910121858t57575f4r54ae7881ce2da1bf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5a948d60910121858t57575f4r54ae7881ce2da1bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1e5d79990910121919v45c65fefg1e794b1004325659@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/13 Cristian G?mez <cristianpark at gmail.com>:
> I'm using my FR (with SHR - last) as main phone. I experienced sometimes
> that when I start SHR, GSM functions doesn't start
> I don't know how can I check any log or how can I start manually GSM
> services, I type /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart, but I don't know if it's
> supossed to solve this issue. Can you give me some advices to take in count
> when I have this problem?
I've had this when the sim card isn't fully pushed into the slot
(contacts between phone and card aren't quite aligned) but you can
still lock it (or it feels like you lock it). I think mickeyterm
returns CME ERROR 3 on many SIM requests when this happens but it
might just do that anytime the GSM module is confused.

> so I power down by removing the battery (I know, the ugly way) and wait a
> few seconds to put it back again. When I power on the FR again, when SHR
> starts, I don't have GSM services
Happens when you do ugly things like that ;) You can also get further
trouble because the FR is designed such that a correctly aligned SIM
card pushes down the SD card.


From rozzin at geekspace.com  Tue Oct 13 05:31:27 2009
From: rozzin at geekspace.com (Joshua Judson Rosen)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:31:27 -0400
Subject: [debian] unexpected troubles
References: <49dd78620910121322he6935e2w7ec6616dbd6b0d2f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87bpkc55rk.fsf@slice.rozzin.com>

Neil Jerram <neiljerram at googlemail.com> writes:
>
> Hi there...
> 
> Is this generally the best place for Debian questions?  Or is
> smartphones-userland better?
> 
> I've just installed Debian again, and am surprised to be experiencing
> some low-level problems.  Hopefully they are easily fixable.

I'll try addressing the issues that I can:

> As context, what I'm aiming at is:
> - Debian - for the best available package management
> - E17 + Illume - for Raster's keyboard, decent launcher and easy
> switching between windows
> - John Sullivan's fso-el - for performing phone functions from within Emacs.
> 
> I've installed e17, and the UI comes up as expected.  I set an overall
> scaling factor of 2, to make everything easier to read and press.
> 
> The problems I'm seeing now are:
> 
> - Load average unreasonably high.  Right now, for example, my top says
> "load average: 8.11, 8.13, 8.09".  Yet CPU usage is only reaching
> around 6%.

Do you perhaps have a bunch of processes waiting on disk I/O? Maybe
waiting to be paged-in from swap? How many processes are in
uninterruptible sleep (`D') state? These also contribute to the
load-counts, in Linux.

What does vmstat say (I usually run "vmstat 2")?

What are your top memory-consuming processes (in terms of both real
and virtual memory footprint)?

Do you have a swap partition (or file)? Are you running from the
internal NAND flash, or a micro-SD card?

> - Emacs never appears, yet can't be killed.  E.g. I clicked on the
> launcher icon for Emacs about an hour ago, and nothing has appeared
> yet.  "ps waux" shows that there is an emacs process:
> 
> root  1579  0.0   3.2   25700  3952 ?       DNs  17:44   0:00 /usr/bin/emacs23

Aha--well, there's at least /one/ process in uninterruptible-sleep state :)

> But "kill 1579" and "kill -9 1579" seem to have no effect on this.

The signal cannot be processed until the system call that is
blocking the process finishes.

> - Battery not apparently charging.  I'm using the USB lead from
> another Linux computer, which successfully charges OM2009/Paroli and
> SHR.  But with Debian there is no + on the battery icon, and no orange
> (or blue) light behind the power button.

There's mention of issues with APM on the DebianOnFreeRunner Debian
Wiki page:

     http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner#KnownProblems

> - ssh (via USB) not working.  The desktop end looks fine:

While I'm very familiar with Debian on more traditional systems, I'm
not all that familiar with it as people run it on the FreeRunner.
However, as far as USB networking with Linux on the FreeRunner goes:

Is the `g_ether' module loaded on the FreeRunner?

Is the usb-ethernet interface configured on the FreeRunner?

> neil at arudy:~$ netstat -rn
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags   MSS Window  irtt Iface
> 192.168.0.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U         0 0          0 eth1
> 192.168.11.0    0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U         0 0          0 eth0
> 0.0.0.0         192.168.11.1    0.0.0.0         UG        0 0          0 eth0
> 
> but
> 
> neil at arudy:~$ ssh 192.168.0.202 -l root
> ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host

What do ifconfig and route say on the FreeRunner?

-- 
Don't be afraid to ask (Lf.((Lx.xx) (Lr.f(rr)))).



From billk at iinet.net.au  Tue Oct 13 05:44:20 2009
From: billk at iinet.net.au (W.Kenworthy)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:44:20 +0800
Subject: Tips when GSM doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <d5a948d60910121858t57575f4r54ae7881ce2da1bf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5a948d60910121858t57575f4r54ae7881ce2da1bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1255405460.19309.19.camel@bunyip.localdomain>

On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 20:58 -0500, Cristian G?mez wrote:
> Hi guys, I've post this question on the IRC channel andunfortunately I
> face that the IRC is abbandoned, only KenYoung answered (Thanks for
> being there). I think that IRC makes our lifes more easier. PLEASE
> DON'T LET IT DIE!!!!!
> 
> After this request, this is my question:
> 

IRC actually quite active - keep in mind most of the IRC population
seems to keep european day time and is quiet about now.

> I'm using my FR (with SHR - last) as main phone. I experienced
> sometimes that when I start SHR, GSM functions doesn't start
> I don't know how can I check any log or how can I start manually GSM
> services, I type /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart, but I don't know if
> it's supossed to solve this issue. Can you give me some advices to
> take in count when I have this problem?

What distro? - I find this  happens to me a lot - so much so that I have
a desktop icon named "Reset" :)  Write a script that stops the xserver,
and various fso services, kill -9 any remnants such as battget and then
restart the xserver which will start the services again.  For shr-u, GSM
is handled by fso-abyss and frameworkd so make sure they are dead after
stopping the service before restarting the xserver.

If its properly hung, you will find that things wont shut down cleanly
so the kill is often necessary - which would explain why frameworkd on
its own didnt work.  May take a few goes before it sorts itself out.
Occasionally it will be so fu-barred that you will need to remove the
battery for 30 seconds to get it to work again.

BillK

> What I'm doing was:
> it happens to me few hours ago, I was renaming icons of the desktop so
> I can have them in the order I want
> when I was editing pidgin.desktop I save the file (I was connected via
> SSH) and got an error message that give me two choices: Restart - Stop
> I press Stop and it goes to the terminal and hangs on a message:
> restarting xserver
> so I power down by removing the battery (I know, the ugly way) and
> wait a few seconds to put it back again. When I power on the FR again,
> when SHR starts, I don't have GSM services
> I let the FR without any intervention a few minutes and it never get
> GSM active, I tried restarting frameworkd and it doesn't do anything
> 
> /****************************************
> * Don't Worry.......Be Linux!!!!
> * Cristian G?mez Alvarez           
> * Ingeniero en Sistemas y Computaci?n
> * Universidad de Caldas   
> * Comunidad de Software Libre Manizales
> * IEEE/WIE Student Member
> * Linux User #463617                
> * Mi Blog: http://cristianpark.sehablalinux.com
> ****************************************/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



From foringer at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 07:25:57 2009
From: foringer at gmail.com (Gmail)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:25:57 +0400
Subject: Tips when GSM doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <1e5d79990910121919v45c65fefg1e794b1004325659@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5a948d60910121858t57575f4r54ae7881ce2da1bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<1e5d79990910121919v45c65fefg1e794b1004325659@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1255411557.26449.55.camel@rumor>

Hi!

I'm having this issue periodicaly. My suggession for this problem is to
reinstall some packages with a magic command:

opkg install -force-reinstall libgsm0710mux0 libfsotransport0 \
         libfsoframework0 libfsobasics0 fso-abyss fsousaged \
        libgsm0710mux-config frameworkd frameworkd-config-shr \
        libframeworkd-phonegui-efl0 \
        shr-contacts shr-messages shr-dialer ophonekitd

And after reboot GSM works fine for several days or weeks :)


? ???, 13/10/2009 ? 13:19 +1100, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir ?????:

> 2009/10/13 Cristian G?mez <cristianpark at gmail.com>:
> > I'm using my FR (with SHR - last) as main phone. I experienced sometimes
> > that when I start SHR, GSM functions doesn't start
> > I don't know how can I check any log or how can I start manually GSM
> > services, I type /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart, but I don't know if it's
> > supossed to solve this issue. Can you give me some advices to take in count
> > when I have this problem?
> I've had this when the sim card isn't fully pushed into the slot
> (contacts between phone and card aren't quite aligned) but you can
> still lock it (or it feels like you lock it). I think mickeyterm
> returns CME ERROR 3 on many SIM requests when this happens but it
> might just do that anytime the GSM module is confused.
> 
> > so I power down by removing the battery (I know, the ugly way) and wait a
> > few seconds to put it back again. When I power on the FR again, when SHR
> > starts, I don't have GSM services
> Happens when you do ugly things like that ;) You can also get further
> trouble because the FR is designed such that a correctly aligned SIM
> card pushes down the SD card.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From sean at openmoko.com  Tue Oct 13 07:51:42 2009
From: sean at openmoko.com (Sean Moss-Pultz)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:51:42 +0800
Subject: WikiReader
Message-ID: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Community!

Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the
birth of our third product -- WikiReader. Three simple buttons put
three million Wikipedia articles in the palm of your hand. Accessible
immediately, anytime, anywhere without requiring an Internet
connection. No strings attached. With WikiReader you'll be prepared
for those unexpected moments when curiosity strikes. And once you have
it, you'll realize how often you ask yourself questions during the
day.

WikiReader takes our original ideas of openness and accessibility to
an even greater realm. WikiReader is so amazingly simple. There really
is no interface. You turn it on and instantly become immersed in the
rich world of reading specific topics or the serendipitous pleasure of
discovering something by chance. It's perfect for all ages.


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Oct  6 13:45:31 2009
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:45:31 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1255413168.14030.community@lists.openmoko.org>

few months as we worked around the clock to polish every last detail,
this product was a joy to make and even more fun to experience. We are
head-over-heels in love with WikiReader. Never have I found so much
fun in the little moments of curiosity life offers us. Try one and I'm
sure you'll agree that we've delivered the essence of reading
Wikipedia in an addictively simple form factor.

Sales start today at http://thewikireader.com. Enjoy. Tell your
friends. And let us know what you think!


Sincerely

Sean Moss-Pultz


From cvwillegen at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 07:58:20 2009
From: cvwillegen at gmail.com (Christ van Willegen)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:58:20 +0200
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b77f73010910122258p600b863fpd0be698acb56d12a@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> wrote:
> Dear Community!

> Sales start today at http://thewikireader.com. Enjoy. Tell your
> friends. And let us know what you think!

Sean,

congratulations on the new product! It looks very nice. I'd love to
see it in action...

Keep up the good work, and keep us informed as well!

Christ van Willegen


From rakshat at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 08:03:04 2009
From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:33:04 +0530
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <b77f73010910122258p600b863fpd0be698acb56d12a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
	<b77f73010910122258p600b863fpd0be698acb56d12a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69a2e4550910122303q50337ca8xd7431973a6d6c655@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations! this looks great.

will schematics be made available?

Rakshat

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Christ van Willegen
<cvwillegen at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com>
> wrote:
> > Dear Community!
>
> > Sales start today at http://thewikireader.com. Enjoy. Tell your
> > friends. And let us know what you think!
>
> Sean,
>
> congratulations on the new product! It looks very nice. I'd love to
> see it in action...
>
> Keep up the good work, and keep us informed as well!
>
> Christ van Willegen
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



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From infibit at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 08:03:12 2009
From: infibit at gmail.com (RANJAN)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:33:12 +0530
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1a9a6b160910122303w2f8241fai3b9f3ac64db69c99@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Sean,

Nice product.People will find it handy and useful.In Universities and
colleges one important source for solving assignments is the info on wiki.

All the best.

Thanks & Regards
Sriranjan

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> wrote:

> Dear Community!
>
> Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the
> birth of our third product -- WikiReader. Three simple buttons put
> three million Wikipedia articles in the palm of your hand. Accessible
> immediately, anytime, anywhere without requiring an Internet
> connection. No strings attached. With WikiReader you'll be prepared
> for those unexpected moments when curiosity strikes. And once you have
> it, you'll realize how often you ask yourself questions during the
> day.
>
> WikiReader takes our original ideas of openness and accessibility to
> an even greater realm. WikiReader is so amazingly simple. There really
> is no interface. You turn it on and instantly become immersed in the
> rich world of reading specific topics or the serendipitous pleasure of
> discovering something by chance. It's perfect for all ages.
>
> From the "Aha!" moment when we held our first prototypes, to the last
> few months as we worked around the clock to polish every last detail,
> this product was a joy to make and even more fun to experience. We are
> head-over-heels in love with WikiReader. Never have I found so much
> fun in the little moments of curiosity life offers us. Try one and I'm
> sure you'll agree that we've delivered the essence of reading
> Wikipedia in an addictively simple form factor.
>
> Sales start today at http://thewikireader.com. Enjoy. Tell your
> friends. And let us know what you think!
>
>
> Sincerely
>
> Sean Moss-Pultz
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Oct  6 13:45:31 2009
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:45:31 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.2.1255413820.14030.community@lists.openmoko.org>

last<br>
few months as we worked around the clock to polish every last detail,<br>
this product was a joy to make and even more fun to experience. We are<br>
head-over-heels in love with WikiReader. Never have I found so much<br>
fun in the little moments of curiosity life offers us. Try one and I&#39;m<=
br>
sure you&#39;ll agree that we&#39;ve delivered the essence of reading<br>
Wikipedia in an addictively simple form factor.<br>
<br>
Sales start today at <a href=3D"http://thewikireader.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://thewikireader.com</a>. Enjoy. Tell your<br>
friends. And let us know what you think!<br>
<br>
<br>
Sincerely<br>
<br>
Sean Moss-Pultz<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
Openmoko community mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:community at lists.openmoko.org">community at lists.openmoko.or=
g</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community" target=3D"=
_blank">http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community</a><br>
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From teemu at utu.fi  Tue Oct 13 08:03:56 2009
From: teemu at utu.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Teemu_V=E4lim=E4ki?=)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:03:56 +0300
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B920AB24-F6CC-4BA9-BE5D-7A7C5AC6D521@utu.fi>

On Oct 13, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
>
> WikiReader takes our original ideas of openness and accessibility to
> an even greater realm. WikiReader is so amazingly simple. There really
> is no interface. You turn it on and instantly become immersed in the
> rich world of reading specific topics or the serendipitous pleasure of
> discovering something by chance. It's perfect for all ages.
>

Ok the device looks cool. And price tag of $99 isn't bad at all. Once  
question. Does it have WiFi? Or better yet, is there a device spec  
somewhere?

--
Teemu Valimaki



From mickey at vanille-media.de  Tue Oct 13 08:30:50 2009
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:30:50 +0200
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910130830.50268.mickey@vanille-media.de>

Sean, let me be the first one to congratulate you.

I think I know what an undertaking this project has been for you, so I'm very 
glad you made it. I wish you great success with this product!

All the best,

:M:


From risto at kurppa.fi  Tue Oct 13 08:58:24 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:58:24 +0300
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <200910130830.50268.mickey@vanille-media.de>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910130830.50268.mickey@vanille-media.de>
Message-ID: <d3e504410910122358s35df3b51kca8b10c60342d6f8@mail.gmail.com>

Congrats, interesting device!

1) What CPU you use?
2) Does it support multiple language versinos of Wikipedia?
3) What's the format the data is stored in?
4) Is the OS on the uSD card?
5) Open source - how do we hack it? No USB connector -> can the
software be altered?

Tell us the specs!!!

Thanks!


r




-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From alexey at feldgendler.ru  Tue Oct 13 09:22:53 2009
From: alexey at feldgendler.ru (Alexey Feldgendler)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:22:53 +0200
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.u1p9gfek1h6og4@sandwich.feldgendler.ru>

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:51:42 +0200, Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com>  
wrote:

> Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the
> birth of our third product -- WikiReader. Three simple buttons put
> three million Wikipedia articles in the palm of your hand. Accessible
> immediately, anytime, anywhere without requiring an Internet
> connection. No strings attached. With WikiReader you'll be prepared
> for those unexpected moments when curiosity strikes. And once you have
> it, you'll realize how often you ask yourself questions during the
> day.

This is great, congratulations on the launch! The device sounds  
interesting, and the price is affordable.

As I understand, it contains a snapshot of English Wikipedia. Can I  
somehow make a snapshot of a different wiki, for example, Russian  
Wikipedia, and put it on the device? Other MediaWiki-based installations?  
What about non-wiki books, can I convert them to a format the device  
understands?

I've long wanted to get myself a e-ink device, but hesitate to get one  
that can only do one thing, read English Wikipedia. To what extent is it  
hackable?


-- 
Alexey Feldgendler <alexey at feldgendler.ru>
[ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com


From rms at 1407.org  Tue Oct 13 09:40:48 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:40:48 +0100
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091013074048.GA18387@roque.1407.org>

Looks like it's just in time for an Xmas gift.

Congratulations! All that's lacking is a hacking-howto :)

Rui

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 01:51:42PM +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
> Dear Community!
> 
> Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the
> birth of our third product -- WikiReader. Three simple buttons put
> three million Wikipedia articles in the palm of your hand. Accessible
> immediately, anytime, anywhere without requiring an Internet
> connection. No strings attached. With WikiReader you'll be prepared
> for those unexpected moments when curiosity strikes. And once you have
> it, you'll realize how often you ask yourself questions during the
> day.
> 
> WikiReader takes our original ideas of openness and accessibility to
> an even greater realm. WikiReader is so amazingly simple. There really
> is no interface. You turn it on and instantly become immersed in the
> rich world of reading specific topics or the serendipitous pleasure of
> discovering something by chance. It's perfect for all ages.
> 
> From the "Aha!" moment when we held our first prototypes, to the last
> few months as we worked around the clock to polish every last detail,
> this product was a joy to make and even more fun to experience. We are
> head-over-heels in love with WikiReader. Never have I found so much
> fun in the little moments of curiosity life offers us. Try one and I'm
> sure you'll agree that we've delivered the essence of reading
> Wikipedia in an addictively simple form factor.
> 
> Sales start today at http://thewikireader.com. Enjoy. Tell your
> friends. And let us know what you think!
> 
> 
> Sincerely
> 
> Sean Moss-Pultz
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

-- 


From david at tuxbrain.com  Tue Oct 13 09:43:12 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:43:12 +0200
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <op.u1p9gfek1h6og4@sandwich.feldgendler.ru>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u1p9gfek1h6og4@sandwich.feldgendler.ru>
Message-ID: <5c6ceea80910130043x701951fdxa2b3629030b42024@mail.gmail.com>

yes, I have been searching for a hackable e-ink device too, I hope
wikireader can be tweeked to the bone as Neo is :), maybe some port of
openinkpot could be fine :).
Sean need details of the insides of the device please :)

David Reyes Samblas Martinez
http://www.tuxbrain.com
Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!




2009/10/13 Alexey Feldgendler <alexey at feldgendler.ru>:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:51:42 +0200, Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the
>> birth of our third product -- WikiReader. Three simple buttons put
>> three million Wikipedia articles in the palm of your hand. Accessible
>> immediately, anytime, anywhere without requiring an Internet
>> connection. No strings attached. With WikiReader you'll be prepared
>> for those unexpected moments when curiosity strikes. And once you have
>> it, you'll realize how often you ask yourself questions during the
>> day.
>
> This is great, congratulations on the launch! The device sounds
> interesting, and the price is affordable.
>
> As I understand, it contains a snapshot of English Wikipedia. Can I
> somehow make a snapshot of a different wiki, for example, Russian
> Wikipedia, and put it on the device? Other MediaWiki-based installations?
> What about non-wiki books, can I convert them to a format the device
> understands?
>
> I've long wanted to get myself a e-ink device, but hesitate to get one
> that can only do one thing, read English Wikipedia. To what extent is it
> hackable?
>
>
> --
> Alexey Feldgendler <alexey at feldgendler.ru>
> [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From rms at 1407.org  Tue Oct 13 09:45:11 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:45:11 +0100
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091013074511.GB18387@roque.1407.org>


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Oct  6 13:45:31 2009
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:45:31 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.3.1255419939.14030.community@lists.openmoko.org>

For some pages, missing the images is a huge loss. I hope it's possible
to hack more storage for converted-to-black-and-white images :)

Rui

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 01:51:42PM +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
> Dear Community!
> 
> Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the
> birth of our third product -- WikiReader. Three simple buttons put
> three million Wikipedia articles in the palm of your hand. Accessible
> immediately, anytime, anywhere without requiring an Internet
> connection. No strings attached. With WikiReader you'll be prepared
> for those unexpected moments when curiosity strikes. And once you have
> it, you'll realize how often you ask yourself questions during the
> day.
> 
> WikiReader takes our original ideas of openness and accessibility to
> an even greater realm. WikiReader is so amazingly simple. There really
> is no interface. You turn it on and instantly become immersed in the
> rich world of reading specific topics or the serendipitous pleasure of
> discovering something by chance. It's perfect for all ages.
> 
> From the "Aha!" moment when we held our first prototypes, to the last
> few months as we worked around the clock to polish every last detail,
> this product was a joy to make and even more fun to experience. We are
> head-over-heels in love with WikiReader. Never have I found so much
> fun in the little moments of curiosity life offers us. Try one and I'm
> sure you'll agree that we've delivered the essence of reading
> Wikipedia in an addictively simple form factor.
> 
> Sales start today at http://thewikireader.com. Enjoy. Tell your
> friends. And let us know what you think!
> 
> 
> Sincerely
> 
> Sean Moss-Pultz
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

-- 


From bt4 at york.ac.uk  Tue Oct 13 10:03:39 2009
From: bt4 at york.ac.uk (Ben Thompson)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:03:39 +0100
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
In-Reply-To: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net>
References: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20091013080339.GA12313@york.ac.uk>

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:13:05PM +0200, DRSp. wrote:
> dear list,
> 
> I'm about organizing a #1024-fix-party just without the party-part 'cos 
> there's a IT-firm involved.
> 
> to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a message 
> in this list.

Hi

Is this for people outside Switzerland? Also, can you do the bass fix
too?

Cheers

-- 

Ben Thompson


From rixed at happyleptic.org  Tue Oct 13 10:04:57 2009
From: rixed at happyleptic.org (rixed at happyleptic.org)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:04:57 +0200
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091013080457.GB1661@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com>

I suppose one can hack this into an ebook reader ?
How can you upload content into the device ?
Any USB adapter or SD reader ?
Also, what's the format used for texts ?



From sadov at linux-ink.ru  Tue Oct 13 10:23:30 2009
From: sadov at linux-ink.ru (Oleg Sadov)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:23:30 +0400
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1255422210.8090.20.camel@sadov-t.linux-ink.vo>

Very interesting device, Sean!

What about possibility of connecting external devices? For example,
connecting with a pen size handheld scanner seems reasonable for such
gadget for avoiding of text retyping.

--Oleg

13/10/2009 13:51 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
> Dear Community!
> 
> Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the
> birth of our third product -- WikiReader. Three simple buttons put
> three million Wikipedia articles in the palm of your hand. Accessible
> immediately, anytime, anywhere without requiring an Internet
> connection. No strings attached. With WikiReader you'll be prepared
> for those unexpected moments when curiosity strikes. And once you have
> it, you'll realize how often you ask yourself questions during the
> day.
> 
> WikiReader takes our original ideas of openness and accessibility to
> an even greater realm. WikiReader is so amazingly simple. There really
> is no interface. You turn it on and instantly become immersed in the
> rich world of reading specific topics or the serendipitous pleasure of
> discovering something by chance. It's perfect for all ages.
> 
> From the "Aha!" moment when we held our first prototypes, to the last
> few months as we worked around the clock to polish every last detail,
> this product was a joy to make and even more fun to experience. We are
> head-over-heels in love with WikiReader. Never have I found so much
> fun in the little moments of curiosity life offers us. Try one and I'm
> sure you'll agree that we've delivered the essence of reading
> Wikipedia in an addictively simple form factor.
> 
> Sales start today at http://thewikireader.com. Enjoy. Tell your
> friends. And let us know what you think!
> 
> 
> Sincerely
> 
> Sean Moss-Pultz
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



From hns at computer.org  Tue Oct 13 10:27:08 2009
From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:27:08 +0200
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
In-Reply-To: <20091013080339.GA12313@york.ac.uk>
References: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net> <20091013080339.GA12313@york.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <1D2C68FE-E61B-42CE-88BA-FD807AEAEBF8@computer.org>

Hi Ben,
for all those outside Switzerland and inside EU harmonized market (the  
reason to differentiate is customs complexity with export/reimport) we  
offer this:

http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Buzz-Rework

Nikolaus

Am 13.10.2009 um 10:03 schrieb Ben Thompson:

> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:13:05PM +0200, DRSp. wrote:
>> dear list,
>>
>> I'm about organizing a #1024-fix-party just without the party-part  
>> 'cos
>> there's a IT-firm involved.
>>
>> to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a  
>> message
>> in this list.
>
> Hi
>
> Is this for people outside Switzerland? Also, can you do the bass fix
> too?
>
> Cheers
>
> -- 
>
> Ben Thompson
>
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From cvwillegen at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 10:29:03 2009
From: cvwillegen at gmail.com (Christ van Willegen)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:29:03 +0200
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80910130043x701951fdxa2b3629030b42024@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com> 
	<op.u1p9gfek1h6og4@sandwich.feldgendler.ru>
	<5c6ceea80910130043x701951fdxa2b3629030b42024@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:43 AM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez
<david at tuxbrain.com> wrote:
> yes, I have been searching for a hackable e-ink device too, I hope

What makes you think it's e-ink?

Christ van Willegen


From risto at kurppa.fi  Tue Oct 13 10:47:19 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:47:19 +0300
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <b77f73010910130129m28e667cdt3d795c46adf9ad51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u1p9gfek1h6og4@sandwich.feldgendler.ru>
	<5c6ceea80910130043x701951fdxa2b3629030b42024@mail.gmail.com>
	<b77f73010910130129m28e667cdt3d795c46adf9ad51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d3e504410910130147q17a389jc90fa4b328478d05@mail.gmail.com>

Based on the web site it has uSD slot & 2x batteries, so far no
information about other connectors.

r



-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 13 10:50:30 2009
From: nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com (Niels Heyvaert)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:50:30 +0000
Subject: Tips when GSM doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <d5a948d60910121858t57575f4r54ae7881ce2da1bf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5a948d60910121858t57575f4r54ae7881ce2da1bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT127-W42B3522FC10A5D73263369B2C70@phx.gbl>


Don't know if it is related to your problem, but my FR recently hit the carpet after a fall of 75cm. No big deal, you would say.
 
However, since then, the GSM connection is unpredictable and unreliable. A problem which I did not face before the device fell down. Sometimes a reboot resolves it, but it might require multiple reboots before connecting to the GSM network. Also tried re-inserting the SIM a few times, but that does not resolve the issue either.
 
Did your FR suffer from an impact? Or do you think your problem is software related?
 
Niels.
 
 
From: cristianpark at gmail.com
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:58:16 -0500
To: community at lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Tips when GSM doesn't work

What I'm doing was:
it happens to me few hours ago, I was renaming icons of the desktop so I can have them in the order I want
when I was editing pidgin.desktop I save the file (I was connected via SSH) and got an error message that give me two choices: Restart - Stop
I press Stop and it goes to the terminal and hangs on a message: restarting xserver
so I power down by removing the battery (I know, the ugly way) and wait a few seconds to put it back again. When I power on the FR again, when SHR starts, I don't have GSM services
I let the FR without any intervention a few minutes and it never get GSM active, I tried restarting frameworkd and it doesn't do anything 		 	   		  
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From hns at computer.org  Tue Oct 13 10:51:57 2009
From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:51:57 +0200
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
In-Reply-To: <1D2C68FE-E61B-42CE-88BA-FD807AEAEBF8@computer.org>
References: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net> <20091013080339.GA12313@york.ac.uk>
	<1D2C68FE-E61B-42CE-88BA-FD807AEAEBF8@computer.org>
Message-ID: <56824B1E-73C7-4E1B-AF7A-C6052EA613B2@computer.org>

Sorry,
the question was about the #1024 fix.

But...

Nikolaus

Am 13.10.2009 um 10:27 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:

> Hi Ben,
> for all those outside Switzerland and inside EU harmonized market (the
> reason to differentiate is customs complexity with export/reimport) we
> offer this:
>
> http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Buzz-Rework
>
> Nikolaus
>
> Am 13.10.2009 um 10:03 schrieb Ben Thompson:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:13:05PM +0200, DRSp. wrote:
>>> dear list,
>>>
>>> I'm about organizing a #1024-fix-party just without the party-part
>>> 'cos
>>> there's a IT-firm involved.
>>>
>>> to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a
>>> message
>>> in this list.
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Is this for people outside Switzerland? Also, can you do the bass fix
>> too?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Ben Thompson
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>
>
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From bt4 at york.ac.uk  Tue Oct 13 10:58:33 2009
From: bt4 at york.ac.uk (Ben Thompson)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:58:33 +0100
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
In-Reply-To: <1D2C68FE-E61B-42CE-88BA-FD807AEAEBF8@computer.org>
References: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net> <20091013080339.GA12313@york.ac.uk>
	<1D2C68FE-E61B-42CE-88BA-FD807AEAEBF8@computer.org>
Message-ID: <20091013085833.GB12313@york.ac.uk>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:27:08AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> Hi Ben,
> for all those outside Switzerland and inside EU harmonized market (the  
> reason to differentiate is customs complexity with export/reimport) we  
> offer this:
> 
> http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Buzz-Rework
> 
> Nikolaus
> 
> Am 13.10.2009 um 10:03 schrieb Ben Thompson:
> 
> > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:13:05PM +0200, DRSp. wrote:
> >> dear list,
> >>
> >> I'm about organizing a #1024-fix-party just without the party-part  
> >> 'cos
> >> there's a IT-firm involved.
> >>
> >> to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a  
> >> message
> >> in this list.
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Is this for people outside Switzerland? Also, can you do the bass fix
> > too?

Hi Nikolaus

I already have the buzz fix thanks to your service. I am wondering
about the bass fix and 1024 fix.

Cheers

Ben


From david at tuxbrain.com  Tue Oct 13 10:58:50 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:58:50 +0200
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <b77f73010910130129m28e667cdt3d795c46adf9ad51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u1p9gfek1h6og4@sandwich.feldgendler.ru>
	<5c6ceea80910130043x701951fdxa2b3629030b42024@mail.gmail.com>
	<b77f73010910130129m28e667cdt3d795c46adf9ad51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c6ceea80910130158y4c30881ajfbb4501eebf57cda@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/13 Christ van Willegen <cvwillegen at gmail.com>:
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:43 AM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez
> <david at tuxbrain.com> wrote:
>> yes, I have been searching for a hackable e-ink device too, I hope
>
> What makes you think it's e-ink?
Lack of information :P
I read in other review is an monochrome LCD
>
> Christ van Willegen
>
> _______________________________________________
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http://www.tuxbrain.com
Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!
>


From wolfgang at qi-hardware.com  Tue Oct 13 11:02:59 2009
From: wolfgang at qi-hardware.com (Wolfgang Spraul)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:02:59 -0400
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091013090259.GA2706@debian>

Sean,
wow great, it's out!
Congratulations and I wish you all the best with it!
Wolfgang

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 01:51:42PM +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
> Dear Community!
> 
> Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the
> birth of our third product -- WikiReader. Three simple buttons put
> three million Wikipedia articles in the palm of your hand. Accessible
> immediately, anytime, anywhere without requiring an Internet
> connection. No strings attached. With WikiReader you'll be prepared
> for those unexpected moments when curiosity strikes. And once you have
> it, you'll realize how often you ask yourself questions during the
> day.
> 
> WikiReader takes our original ideas of openness and accessibility to
> an even greater realm. WikiReader is so amazingly simple. There really
> is no interface. You turn it on and instantly become immersed in the
> rich world of reading specific topics or the serendipitous pleasure of
> discovering something by chance. It's perfect for all ages.
> 
> From the "Aha!" moment when we held our first prototypes, to the last
> few months as we worked around the clock to polish every last detail,
> this product was a joy to make and even more fun to experience. We are
> head-over-heels in love with WikiReader. Never have I found so much
> fun in the little moments of curiosity life offers us. Try one and I'm
> sure you'll agree that we've delivered the essence of reading
> Wikipedia in an addictively simple form factor.
> 
> Sales start today at http://thewikireader.com. Enjoy. Tell your
> friends. And let us know what you think!
> 
> 
> Sincerely
> 
> Sean Moss-Pultz
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


From Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl  Tue Oct 13 12:10:08 2009
From: Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl (Patryk Benderz)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:10:08 +0200
Subject: [fso based] Simplified mixer app
In-Reply-To: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1255428608.18198.122.camel@ESP-PATBEN-LIN>

Hi Al,
do you want me to add it to CU, or is it too early to show this app to
average user?

-- 
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From david at tuxbrain.com  Tue Oct 13 12:25:41 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:25:41 +0200
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c6ceea80910130325o5208ffrf542c2e374bd68f9@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/13 Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com>:
> Dear Community!
>
> Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the
> birth of our third product -- WikiReader. Three simple buttons put
> three million Wikipedia articles in the palm of your hand. Accessible
> immediately, anytime, anywhere without requiring an Internet
> connection. No strings attached. With WikiReader you'll be prepared
> for those unexpected moments when curiosity strikes. And once you have
> it, you'll realize how often you ask yourself questions during the
> day.
>
> WikiReader takes our original ideas of openness and accessibility to
> an even greater realm. WikiReader is so amazingly simple. There really
> is no interface. You turn it on and instantly become immersed in the
> rich world of reading specific topics or the serendipitous pleasure of
> discovering something by chance. It's perfect for all ages.
>
> From the "Aha!" moment when we held our first prototypes, to the last
> few months as we worked around the clock to polish every last detail,
> this product was a joy to make and even more fun to experience. We are
> head-over-heels in love with WikiReader. Never have I found so much
> fun in the little moments of curiosity life offers us. Try one and I'm
> sure you'll agree that we've delivered the essence of reading
> Wikipedia in an addictively simple form factor.
>
> Sales start today at http://thewikireader.com. Enjoy. Tell your
> friends. And let us know what you think!
>
>
> Sincerely
>
> Sean Moss-Pultz
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
Sean,
I don't find anything on amazon or in thewikireader.com to buy yet, it's ok?
David Reyes Samblas Martinez
http://www.tuxbrain.com
Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!


From info at apertum.it  Tue Oct 13 12:27:36 2009
From: info at apertum.it (-= Apertum =-)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:27:36 +0200
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD45618.50104@apertum.it>



* Sean Moss-Pultz wrote, Il 13/10/2009 07:51:
> Dear Community!
>
> Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the
> birth of our third product -- WikiReader. Three simple buttons put
> three million Wikipedia articles in the palm of your hand. Accessible
> immediately, anytime, anywhere without requiring an Internet
> connection. No strings attached. With WikiReader you'll be prepared
> for those unexpected moments when curiosity strikes. 
>   
Simply AMAZING!

Good idea Sean, really. I'm sure that it will be 100% hackable, it's
even without GSM blob!
It will be converted also in a good e-book reader, i presume. It's also
a really good idea to make co-marketing with Wikipedia, finally some
business that works. I expect a good success especially from students
and young people.

Please, send us some more technical specification, real photos, etc etc.
What's about the LCD? It's an e-ink o what kind of technology that
consume so low power?

When it will be shipped to Europe?

Anyway, my congratulation: you and Openmoko demonstrated that making
good business with openess is possible!

-- 
Andrea



From nad.oby at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 13:08:08 2009
From: nad.oby at gmail.com (Evgeniy Ginzburg)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:08:08 +0400
Subject: [fso based] Simplified mixer app
In-Reply-To: <1255428608.18198.122.camel@ESP-PATBEN-LIN>
References: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<1255428608.18198.122.camel@ESP-PATBEN-LIN>
Message-ID: <46f27d5a0910130408o7d9689fbm8baacaeeb2e939ce@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Patryk Benderz <Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl> wrote:
> Hi Al,
> do you want me to add it to CU, or is it too early to show this app to
> average user?
>
It's newer to early, add it.

-- 
So long, and thanks for all the fish.


From alex at ghisoli.ch  Tue Oct 13 14:37:17 2009
From: alex at ghisoli.ch (Alexandre Ghisoli)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:37:17 +0200
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
In-Reply-To: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net>
References: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20091013143717.1abe7b4b@nb05-x40>

Le Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:13:05 +0200,
"DRSp." <itman at gmx.net> a ?crit :

> dear list,
> 
> I'm about organizing a #1024-fix-party just without the party-part
> 'cos there's a IT-firm involved.
> 
> to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a
> message in this list.
> 
> 
> cheers itman
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

I'm !
And all other hardware bug (capacitor, ..)

Thanks

-- 
	Alexandre Ghisoli


From werner at openmoko.org  Tue Oct 13 14:37:33 2009
From: werner at openmoko.org (Werner Almesberger)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:37:33 -0300
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091013123733.GA21695@almesberger.net>

Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
> Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the
> birth of our third product -- WikiReader.

Yeah, it has hatched ! Congratulations to you and the rest of the
team, and I hope that this cool little device will be a smashing
success !

- Werner


From Erik.geiger at gmx.net  Tue Oct 13 14:47:16 2009
From: Erik.geiger at gmx.net (Erik Geiger)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:47:16 +0200
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
In-Reply-To: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net>
References: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <200910131447.17399.Erik.geiger@gmx.net>

Am Monday 12 October 2009 22:13:05 schrieb DRSp.:
> dear list,
>
> I'm about organizing a #1024-fix-party just without the party-part 'cos
> there's a IT-firm involved.
>
> to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a message
> in this list.
>
I'm also interested.


From Erik.geiger at gmx.net  Tue Oct 13 14:55:05 2009
From: Erik.geiger at gmx.net (Erik Geiger)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:55:05 +0200
Subject: Fwd: Re: #1024-Fix in switzerland
Message-ID: <200910131455.05405.Erik.geiger@gmx.net>

Am Monday 12 October 2009 22:13:05 schrieb DRSp.:
> dear list,
>
> I'm about organizing a #1024-fix-party just without the party-part 'cos
> there's a IT-firm involved.
>
> to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a message
> in this list.
>
(I'm also interested.)

Sorry, I thought it's buzz-fix ;-(
1024 I haven't seen yet


From dlist at bluewin.ch  Tue Oct 13 15:23:17 2009
From: dlist at bluewin.ch (steve)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:23:17 +0200
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
In-Reply-To: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net>
References: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20091013132317.GA18659@localdomain>

Le 12-10-2009, ? 22:13:05 +0200, DRSp. (itman at gmx.net) a ?crit :

> dear list,

Hi,
 
> I'm about organizing a #1024-fix-party just without the party-part 'cos 
> there's a IT-firm involved.
> 
> to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a message 
> in this list.

I'm interrested. Where would it be held?

steve


From cry_regarder at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 13 15:57:50 2009
From: cry_regarder at yahoo.com (Cry)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:57:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: WikiReader
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20091013T155743-487@post.gmane.org>


Can we get "DON'T PANIC" decals for it?

Please?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy_%28fictional%29



From rusolis at poczta.fm  Tue Oct 13 16:30:12 2009
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:30:12 +0200
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
In-Reply-To: <20091013132317.GA18659@localdomain>
References: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net> <20091013132317.GA18659@localdomain>
Message-ID: <8b48b1570910130730k1d79fb1cld1b965cc1a26f0e@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/13 steve <dlist at bluewin.ch>

> Le 12-10-2009, ? 22:13:05 +0200, DRSp. (itman at gmx.net) a ?crit :
>
> > dear list,
>
> Hi,
>
> > I'm about organizing a #1024-fix-party just without the party-part 'cos
> > there's a IT-firm involved.
> >
> > to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a message
> > in this list.
>
> I'm interrested. Where would it be held?
>

Count me in as well. I would need to send it to Switzerland though and have
you guys send it back with the fix. I hope it's possible.
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From vanous at penguin.cz  Tue Oct 13 16:42:21 2009
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:42:21 +0200
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
References: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net> <20091013132317.GA18659@localdomain>
	<8b48b1570910130730k1d79fb1cld1b965cc1a26f0e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091013164221.5bd7bfde@vanek.robe.cz>

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:30:12 +0200
Michal Brzozowski <rusolis at poczta.fm> (MB) wrote:

>2009/10/13 steve <dlist at bluewin.ch>
>
>> Le 12-10-2009, ? 22:13:05 +0200, DRSp. (itman at gmx.net) a ?crit :
>>
>> > dear list,
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> > I'm about organizing a #1024-fix-party just without the party-part
>> > 'cos there's a IT-firm involved.
>> >
>> > to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a
>> > message in this list.
>>
>> I'm interrested. Where would it be held?
>>
>
>Count me in as well. I would need to send it to Switzerland though and
>have you guys send it back with the fix. I hope it's possible.
>


Hi Michal,

where are you sending it from? We have been planning a small 2FR
session here in Czech republic with a profi guy who previously has done
the buzz fix. We are not too far from Ostrava.... anyways, we would
like to do one piece first asap, then after confirming, we could have
him to do more...

Check your options, if shipping to and from CZ could be cheaper...

let me know

Petr




From montgoss at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 16:54:51 2009
From: montgoss at gmail.com (Steven **)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:54:51 -0500
Subject: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
In-Reply-To: <59af3fb30910121755r73c6a831x157361d711d48add@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY114-W31BFBC9BAAB54020111C66B2DD0@phx.gbl>
	<4f51103a0910101634s579cfdfm5cf7094aea82a0a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a3d52b570910121249g1adc5dfcs5149555e474994a6@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910130136.49703.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<59af3fb30910121755r73c6a831x157361d711d48add@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <abaa3a210910130754i4118d076qeb29d41a7a0a4340@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Jim Ancona <jim at anconafamily.com> wrote:
> And in fact, almost
> all of the (non-Google) apps I've tried seem to run on my Freerunner.
>
> Jim

Although not necessarily well.
I tried some puzzle game I downloaded from AndAppStore.  It ran horribly slow.
I didn't think the Freerunner was much slower than the G1.  Anyone
else have trouble like this?

-Steven


From rusolis at poczta.fm  Tue Oct 13 17:00:48 2009
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:00:48 +0200
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
In-Reply-To: <20091013164221.5bd7bfde@vanek.robe.cz>
References: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net> <20091013132317.GA18659@localdomain>
	<8b48b1570910130730k1d79fb1cld1b965cc1a26f0e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091013164221.5bd7bfde@vanek.robe.cz>
Message-ID: <8b48b1570910130800n5d1b54cv24a969b6f94723c6@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

Sending to Czech Republic would be definitely easier as there are no customs
involved (I'm in Poland). Does the person you've got provide any guarantees
for the rework? Would you guys test my FR to see if the recamping is gone
before you send it back?

2009/10/13 Petr Vanek <vanous at penguin.cz>

>
> Hi Michal,
>
> where are you sending it from? We have been planning a small 2FR
> session here in Czech republic with a profi guy who previously has done
> the buzz fix. We are not too far from Ostrava.... anyways, we would
> like to do one piece first asap, then after confirming, we could have
> him to do more...
>
> Check your options, if shipping to and from CZ could be cheaper...
>
> let me know
>
> Petr
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 17:23:27 2009
From: montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com (Steven **)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:23:27 -0500
Subject: Tips when GSM doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <d5a948d60910121858t57575f4r54ae7881ce2da1bf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5a948d60910121858t57575f4r54ae7881ce2da1bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <abaa3a210910130823k4ae482f2xf5a39044990c855e@mail.gmail.com>

I use the following script to restart phone features on SHR-Unstable.
Seems to work pretty well.

#!/bin/sh
killall -9 ophonekitd
/etc/init.d/frameworkd restart
ophonekitd &


If you run this from a terminal/shell, you'll see the output of
ophonekitd and can see when the GSM connects (it usually takes a
minute for my frameword to be ready for the GSM).

-Steven

2009/10/12 Cristian G?mez <cristianpark at gmail.com>:
> I'm using my FR (with SHR - last) as main phone. I experienced sometimes
> that when I start SHR, GSM functions doesn't start
> I don't know how can I check any log or how can I start manually GSM
> services, I type /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart, but I don't know if it's
> supossed to solve this issue. Can you give me some advices to take in count
> when I have this problem?
>
> What I'm doing was:
> it happens to me few hours ago, I was renaming icons of the desktop so I can
> have them in the order I want
> when I was editing pidgin.desktop I save the file (I was connected via SSH)
> and got an error message that give me two choices: Restart - Stop
> I press Stop and it goes to the terminal and hangs on a message: restarting
> xserver
> so I power down by removing the battery (I know, the ugly way) and wait a
> few seconds to put it back again. When I power on the FR again, when SHR
> starts, I don't have GSM services
> I let the FR without any intervention a few minutes and it never get GSM
> active, I tried restarting frameworkd and it doesn't do anything


From vanous at penguin.cz  Tue Oct 13 17:24:51 2009
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:24:51 +0200
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
References: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net> <20091013132317.GA18659@localdomain>
	<8b48b1570910130730k1d79fb1cld1b965cc1a26f0e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091013164221.5bd7bfde@vanek.robe.cz>
	<8b48b1570910130800n5d1b54cv24a969b6f94723c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091013172451.4be3a823@vanek.robe.cz>

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:00:48 +0200
Michal Brzozowski <rusolis at poczta.fm> (MB) wrote:

>Hey,
>
>Sending to Czech Republic would be definitely easier as there are no
>customs involved (I'm in Poland). Does the person you've got provide
>any guarantees for the rework? Would you guys test my FR to see if the
>recamping is gone before you send it back?

I thought you were in Poland, that's why i mentioned Ostrava.. probably
4-5 hours drive from Warsaw.

He is a professional doing this daily. I am sure he would not accept
warranty as such but as he is a close friend, we could guarantee his
work.

As mentioned previously, we would test on one piece first, confirm, then
we would run the test script on all three pieces done.

BTW, you can see how he has done the buzz fix for us (sleek design in
placing the cap) and has taken a few shots on his work photo microscope:
http://vanous.penguin.cz/files/om/SOP/

Let me see how fast we can move - have one testing piece be done and
tested this week.

Perhaps this will get other czech guys inspired, they are a bit slower
needing the fixes :)

cheers
Petr










From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Tue Oct 13 17:39:00 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:39:00 +0100
Subject: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
In-Reply-To: <59af3fb30910121755r73c6a831x157361d711d48add@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY114-W31BFBC9BAAB54020111C66B2DD0@phx.gbl>
	<200910130136.49703.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<59af3fb30910121755r73c6a831x157361d711d48add@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910131639.00513.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Tuesday 13 October 2009, Jim Ancona wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Al Johnson
> 
> <openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Monday 12 October 2009, Levy wrote:
> >> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 20:34, Aditya Gandhi <aditya.g8 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > That is so sad to hear google android without maps, gmail, etc... is
> >> > there anyway to get those binaries and have them run on freerunner??
> >>
> >> One time I made a test with Gmail.apk that I got from a G1 and did not
> >> work! ! :-(
> >
> > No surprise there. The G1 has a later family of ARM cpu with instructions
> > the FR doesn't support.
> 
> No, that's not the reason. With the exception of those built with the
> new native development kit, apk's (the Android application packaging
> format) run in the Dalvik VM and are processor independent. AFAIK, the
> issue with is only missing APIs. Of course, that doesn't make Gmail
> run any better, but it does mean that apps that are developed using
> the public APIs and don't use the NDK should run across Android
> platforms regardless of the underlying processor. And in fact, almost
> all of the (non-Google) apps I've tried seem to run on my Freerunner.

Should have known. That's what happens when I post past my bedtime ;-)


From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Tue Oct 13 17:46:24 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:46:24 +0100
Subject: [fso based] Simplified mixer app
In-Reply-To: <46f27d5a0910130408o7d9689fbm8baacaeeb2e939ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910012224.20246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<1255428608.18198.122.camel@ESP-PATBEN-LIN>
	<46f27d5a0910130408o7d9689fbm8baacaeeb2e939ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910131646.25063.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Tuesday 13 October 2009, Evgeniy Ginzburg wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Patryk Benderz <Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl> 
wrote:
> > Hi Al,
> > do you want me to add it to CU, or is it too early to show this app to
> > average user?
> 
> It's newer to early, add it.

I agree. It's on the community list so it's fair game for the community 
update.

The only cautionary note is to remember to back up any modified state files 
since there is a report of a messed up state that we haven't got to the bottom 
of yet.


From jim at anconafamily.com  Tue Oct 13 17:48:34 2009
From: jim at anconafamily.com (Jim Ancona)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:48:34 -0400
Subject: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
In-Reply-To: <abaa3a210910130754i4118d076qeb29d41a7a0a4340@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY114-W31BFBC9BAAB54020111C66B2DD0@phx.gbl>
	<4f51103a0910101634s579cfdfm5cf7094aea82a0a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a3d52b570910121249g1adc5dfcs5149555e474994a6@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910130136.49703.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<59af3fb30910121755r73c6a831x157361d711d48add@mail.gmail.com>
	<abaa3a210910130754i4118d076qeb29d41a7a0a4340@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59af3fb30910130848x7bfae583i4d699ba246346311@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Steven ** <montgoss at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Jim Ancona <jim at anconafamily.com> wrote:
>> And in fact, almost
>> all of the (non-Google) apps I've tried seem to run on my Freerunner.
>>
>> Jim
>
> Although not necessarily well.
> I tried some puzzle game I downloaded from AndAppStore. ?It ran horribly slow.
> I didn't think the Freerunner was much slower than the G1. ?Anyone
> else have trouble like this?

Performance is definitely an issue, and Michael Trimarchi has very
recently committed some changes that seem to have improved the it
significantly. Please feel free to log issues like this on the tracker
at http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/list,
especially if you have a reproducible case. For "Anyone else..."-type
questions, you may have better luck getting feedback from other users
on the mailing list at
http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner

Jim


From pabs3 at bonedaddy.net  Tue Oct 13 18:45:24 2009
From: pabs3 at bonedaddy.net (Paul Wise)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:45:24 +0800
Subject: [openmoko-announce] WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1255452324.4437.52.camel@chianamo>

On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 13:51 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:

> Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the
> birth of our third product -- WikiReader.

Congratulations to Sean and OpenMoko on the completion of Project B! 

For those who like me are wondering about the hardware and code, it
seems some information and code is available here:

http://code.google.com/p/wikipediardware/

-- 
bye,
pabs

http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/
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From david at tuxbrain.com  Tue Oct 13 19:08:50 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:08:50 +0200
Subject: [openmoko-announce] WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <1255452324.4437.52.camel@chianamo>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
	<1255452324.4437.52.camel@chianamo>
Message-ID: <5c6ceea80910131008r3048d394m18a03d45b5a00dc@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/13 Paul Wise <pabs3 at bonedaddy.net>:
> On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 13:51 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
>
>> Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the
>> birth of our third product -- WikiReader.
>
> Congratulations to Sean and OpenMoko on the completion of Project B!
>
> For those who like me are wondering about the hardware and code, it
> seems some information and code is available here:
>
> http://code.google.com/p/wikipediardware/
>
> --
> bye,
> pabs
>
> http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>
Trying to buy through amazon but seem it doesn't allow international shipping :(

David Reyes Samblas Martinez
http://www.tuxbrain.com
Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!


From david at blue-labs.org  Tue Oct 13 19:42:20 2009
From: david at blue-labs.org (David Ford)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:42:20 -0400
Subject: [SHR] Trac password reset for user: FirefighterBlu3
In-Reply-To: <20091013172407.163C9591A6@paws.bearstech.com>
References: <20091013172407.163C9591A6@paws.bearstech.com>
Message-ID: <4AD4BBFC.305@blue-labs.org>

someone please fix the trac.shr-projects.org website.  you need to patch
trac: http://trac-hacks.org/ticket/3233

SHR wrote:
> Your Trac password has been reset.
>
> Here is your account information:
>
> Login URL: <http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/login>
> Username: FirefighterBlu3
> Password: xxxxx
>
>   



From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 20:21:29 2009
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:21:29 +0200
Subject: evopedia 0.2.3 release
In-Reply-To: <4ACE5EF3.9010402@exinto.de>
References: <4ACE5EF3.9010402@exinto.de>
Message-ID: <26fea52c0910131121v485b9c7eo53804c5fd212ff21@mail.gmail.com>

great news!

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Christian <christian at exinto.de> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> evopedia version 0.2.3 is ready, the main new features include:
> - tangogps tile repository can be selected for article map
> - article map has been improved
> - your own position should be displayed on the map and you can zoom to it
> - the text links have been replaced by icons
> - article search is faster (1-3 seconds) for newly built images (at the
> moment only German Wikipedia and French in the next days), old images
> stay compatible
>
> I hope you enjoy it. Unfortunately, due to some problems with my device
> I was not able to test it to the full extent. Please report any bugs you
> encounter.
>
> Direct link to the .ipk:
> http://www.reitwiessner.de/openmoko/evopedia_0.2.3_any.ipk
>
>
> Evopedia is an offline Wikipedia reader that can be viewed using any
> browser you like (midori is the default). You need to download a
> Wikipedia dump (apart from the software also available there) from
>
> http://www.reitwiessner.de/openmoko/evopedia.html
>
> The following dump languages are available at the moment:
> Dutch, French, German, Italian, Polish and Spanish.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From esteban.francisco at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 20:32:31 2009
From: esteban.francisco at gmail.com (Esteban Monge)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:32:31 -0600
Subject: [pkg-fso-maint] WiFi-Tool (or GPRS-Tool modified)
In-Reply-To: <ef378ab30910061407hf5ac717i6de0b2d249709e24@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef378ab30910051142h15bc80bct8d394383892122bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091006103924.GA6272@earth.universe>
	<ef378ab30910060838h4baf5e09u596d1e16fc87565b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910061659.01392.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
	<ef378ab30910060907u6e2685cepee86e0d0747fab33@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091006195825.GA6802@earth.universe>
	<ef378ab30910061407hf5ac717i6de0b2d249709e24@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ef378ab30910131132y2e77b308y2650e90178058d82@mail.gmail.com>

Hello again, I modified the script to:
#!/usr/bin/env python

import os, time, random, gtk, gobject

class wifi:
    def delete_event(self, widget, event=None, data=None):
        gtk.main_quit()
        return False

    def set_status(self, label):
        status = os.system("ifconfig eth0")
        if status == 0:
            status = "WiFi Power On"
            label.set_text(status)
            label.modify_fg(gtk.STATE_NORMAL, gtk.gdk.color_parse("green"))

        else:
            status = "WiFi Power Off"
            label.set_text(status)
            label.modify_fg(gtk.STATE_NORMAL, gtk.gdk.color_parse("red"))

        return True

    def wifi_on(self, button):
        os.system("mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged
/org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy WiFi
enabled")

    def wifi_off(self, button):
        os.system("mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged
/org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy WiFi
disabled")

    def __init__(self):

        # Iniciar la ventana principal
        self.win = gtk.Window(gtk.WINDOW_TOPLEVEL)
        self.win.connect("delete_event", self.delete_event)

        # Anadir una VBox
        self.vbox = gtk.VBox(homogeneous=False, spacing=1)
        self.win.add(self.vbox)
        self.vbox.show()

        # Anadir el senalador de estatus
        self.status_label = gtk.Label("Status")
        self.vbox.pack_start(self.status_label)
        self.status_label.show()
        gobject.timeout_add (3000, self.set_status, self.status_label)

        # Anadir una Vbox para las etiquetas de informacion
        self.vbox1 = gtk.VBox(homogeneous=False, spacing=1)
        self.vbox.pack_start(self.vbox1)
        self.vbox1.show()

        # Anadir una HBox para los botones
        self.hbox0 = gtk.HBox(homogeneous=False, spacing=5)
        self.vbox.pack_start(self.hbox0)
        self.hbox0.show()

        # Anadir el boton de encendido
        self.wifi = gtk.Button("Turn On WiFi")
        self.hbox0.pack_start(self.wifi)
        self.wifi.connect("clicked", self.wifi_on)
        self.wifi.show()

        # Anadir el boton de apagado
        self.wifioff = gtk.Button("Turn Off WiFi")
        self.hbox0.pack_start(self.wifioff)
        self.wifioff.connect("clicked", self.wifi_off)
        self.wifioff.show()

        # Anadir el boton de salida
        self.button_exit = gtk.Button("Exit")
        self.vbox.pack_start(self.button_exit)
        self.button_exit.connect("clicked", self.delete_event)
        self.button_exit.show()

        self.win.show()

    def main(self):
        gtk.main()

if __name__ == '__main__':
    gui = wifi()
    gui.main()

The change is the use of the Policies of FSO.

Also I modifiy the script to Power On the Bluetooth, I use also Policies of
FSO:

#!/usr/bin/env python

import os, time, random, gtk, gobject

class bluetooth:
    def delete_event(self, widget, event=None, data=None):
        gtk.main_quit()
        return False

    def set_status(self, label):
        status = os.system("hciconfig hci0")
        if status == 0:
            status = "Bluetooth Power On"
            label.set_text(status)
            label.modify_fg(gtk.STATE_NORMAL, gtk.gdk.color_parse("green"))

        else:
            status = "Bluetooth Power Off"
            label.set_text(status)
            label.modify_fg(gtk.STATE_NORMAL, gtk.gdk.color_parse("red"))

        return True

    def bluetooth_on(self, button):
        os.system("mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged
/org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy
Bluetooth enabled")

    def bluetooth_off(self, button):
        os.system("mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged
/org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy
Bluetooth disabled")

    def __init__(self):

        # Iniciar la ventana principal
        self.win = gtk.Window(gtk.WINDOW_TOPLEVEL)
        self.win.connect("delete_event", self.delete_event)

        # Anadir una VBox
        self.vbox = gtk.VBox(homogeneous=False, spacing=1)
        self.win.add(self.vbox)
        self.vbox.show()

        # Anadir el senalador de estatus
        self.status_label = gtk.Label("Status")
        self.vbox.pack_start(self.status_label)
        self.status_label.show()
        gobject.timeout_add (3000, self.set_status, self.status_label)

        # Anadir una Vbox para las etiquetas de informacion
        self.vbox1 = gtk.VBox(homogeneous=False, spacing=1)
        self.vbox.pack_start(self.vbox1)
        self.vbox1.show()

        # Anadir una HBox para los botones
        self.hbox0 = gtk.HBox(homogeneous=False, spacing=5)
        self.vbox.pack_start(self.hbox0)
        self.hbox0.show()

        # Anadir el boton de encendido
        self.bluetooth = gtk.Button("Turn On Bluetooth")
        self.hbox0.pack_start(self.bluetooth)
        self.bluetooth.connect("clicked", self.bluetooth_on)
        self.bluetooth.show()

        # Anadir el boton de apagado
        self.bluetoothoff = gtk.Button("Turn Off Bluetooth")
        self.hbox0.pack_start(self.bluetoothoff)
        self.bluetoothoff.connect("clicked", self.bluetooth_off)
        self.bluetoothoff.show()

        # Anadir el boton de salida
        self.button_exit = gtk.Button("Exit")
        self.vbox.pack_start(self.button_exit)
        self.button_exit.connect("clicked", self.delete_event)
        self.button_exit.show()

        self.win.show()

    def main(self):
        gtk.main()

if __name__ == '__main__':
    gui = bluetooth()
    gui.main()

Works great for my, maybe I can modify to make a big script to integrate the
three functions, also I want make the packages and more pretty UI. I have
used CC logos for icons, in case of make the package.

Sorry for my english... and hope works for others.

Thanks to all for the ideas... I want more for make a best way to power on
the functions.
-- 
http://nuevaeracr.blogspot.com
Linux user number 478378
Linux machine number 386687
Tec. Esteban Monge Mar?n
Tel: (506) 8379-3562

?No habr? manera de desarrollarnos y salir de
la pobreza mientras los pocos negocios
grandes de nuestro medio se entreguen a las
econom?as for?neas y nosotros nos
quedemos con solo negocios de pobre,
mientras en vez de ser propietarios de nuestro
propio pa?s nos convirtamos en un ej?rcito de
empleados del exterior?
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From site-openmoko.org at onerussian.com  Tue Oct 13 21:15:14 2009
From: site-openmoko.org at onerussian.com (Yaroslav Halchenko)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:15:14 -0400
Subject: evopedia 0.2.3 release
In-Reply-To: <4AD069E5.3020401@exinto.de>
References: <4ACE5EF3.9010402@exinto.de>
	<2f3aa2770910091226w424db65cn5fca568302d6a4fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD069E5.3020401@exinto.de>
Message-ID: <20091013191514.GD11760@onerussian.com>

GREAT JOB!!!!!

I would advice to tag and git push --tags, that would make github
automagically generate tarballs for the releases available in 

http://github.com/crei/evopedia/downloads

Would it be possible also to sanitize dumps to exclude images and
provide those from your webpage (as well as full dumps)? that
might make english version fit within available free space on my SD ;)

On Sat, 10 Oct 2009, Christian wrote:
> I have put the source for the modified mediawiki and the dump scripts as
> branches in http://github.com/crei/evopedia/. Please do not hesitate to
> ask me if you do not get it runnung. I have not yet created an english
> dump mainly because it would take so long, although I am sure that the
> dump process can be improved.

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From kosa at piradio.org  Tue Oct 13 21:32:13 2009
From: kosa at piradio.org (Kosa)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:32:13 -0500
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD4D5BD.3050601@piradio.org>

Sean Moss-Pultz escribi?:
> Dear Community!
> 
> Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the
> birth of our third product -- WikiReader. Three simple buttons put
> three million Wikipedia articles in the palm of your hand. Accessible
> immediately, anytime, anywhere without requiring an Internet
> connection. No strings attached. With WikiReader you'll be prepared
> for those unexpected moments when curiosity strikes. And once you have
> it, you'll realize how often you ask yourself questions during the
> day.

That's just great! Congratulations!

Kosa

- Un mundo mejor es posible -



From david at tuxbrain.com  Tue Oct 13 21:37:09 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:37:09 +0200
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <4AD4D5BD.3050601@piradio.org>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD4D5BD.3050601@piradio.org>
Message-ID: <5c6ceea80910131237g4e43622r7b583a0395f41806@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/13 Kosa <kosa at piradio.org>:
> Sean Moss-Pultz escribi?:
>> Dear Community!
>>
>> Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the
>> birth of our third product -- WikiReader. Three simple buttons put
>> three million Wikipedia articles in the palm of your hand. Accessible
>> immediately, anytime, anywhere without requiring an Internet
>> connection. No strings attached. With WikiReader you'll be prepared
>> for those unexpected moments when curiosity strikes. And once you have
>> it, you'll realize how often you ask yourself questions during the
>> day.
>
> That's just great! Congratulations!
>
> Kosa
>
> - Un mundo mejor es posible -
Hey Kosa!! you finally are free to speech about it :) , you are good
keeping a secret :)
David Reyes Samblas Martinez
http://www.tuxbrain.com
Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!

>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 21:40:18 2009
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:40:18 +0200
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80910131237g4e43622r7b583a0395f41806@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD4D5BD.3050601@piradio.org>
	<5c6ceea80910131237g4e43622r7b583a0395f41806@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c30e08170910131240g6b60d4e5u338a96da06fd342b@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/13/09, David Reyes Samblas Martinez <david at tuxbrain.com> wrote:
> 2009/10/13 Kosa <kosa at piradio.org>:
>> Sean Moss-Pultz escribi?:
>>> Dear Community!
>>>
>>> Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the
>>> birth of our third product -- WikiReader. Three simple buttons put
>>> three million Wikipedia articles in the palm of your hand. Accessible
>>> immediately, anytime, anywhere without requiring an Internet
>>> connection. No strings attached. With WikiReader you'll be prepared
>>> for those unexpected moments when curiosity strikes. And once you have
>>> it, you'll realize how often you ask yourself questions during the
>>> day.
>>
>> That's just great! Congratulations!
>>
>> Kosa
>>
>> - Un mundo mejor es posible -
> Hey Kosa!! you finally are free to speech about it :) , you are good
> keeping a secret :)
> David Reyes Samblas Martinez
> http://www.tuxbrain.com
> Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
> Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
> Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!

Well, finding it was really easy, even with some 3D case project,
photos, videos, chipset informations and source code ;) Openmoko
community is good with keeping secrets, but for sure Openmoko Inc.
isn't :D

-- 
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
dos


From david at tuxbrain.com  Tue Oct 13 21:49:43 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:49:43 +0200
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <c30e08170910131240g6b60d4e5u338a96da06fd342b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD4D5BD.3050601@piradio.org>
	<5c6ceea80910131237g4e43622r7b583a0395f41806@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170910131240g6b60d4e5u338a96da06fd342b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c6ceea80910131249s35393e13h96247dacdb4c4a43@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/13 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak <seba.dos1 at gmail.com>:
> On 10/13/09, David Reyes Samblas Martinez <david at tuxbrain.com> wrote:
>> 2009/10/13 Kosa <kosa at piradio.org>:
>>> Sean Moss-Pultz escribi?:
>>>> Dear Community!
>>>>
>>>> Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the
>>>> birth of our third product -- WikiReader. Three simple buttons put
>>>> three million Wikipedia articles in the palm of your hand. Accessible
>>>> immediately, anytime, anywhere without requiring an Internet
>>>> connection. No strings attached. With WikiReader you'll be prepared
>>>> for those unexpected moments when curiosity strikes. And once you have
>>>> it, you'll realize how often you ask yourself questions during the
>>>> day.
>>>
>>> That's just great! Congratulations!
>>>
>>> Kosa
>>>
>>> - Un mundo mejor es posible -
>> Hey Kosa!! you finally are free to speech about it :) , you are good
>> keeping a secret :)
>> David Reyes Samblas Martinez
>> http://www.tuxbrain.com
>> Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
>> Openmoko, Openpandora, ?Arduino
>> Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!
>
> Well, finding it was really easy, even with some 3D case project,
> photos, videos, chipset informations and source code ;) Openmoko
> community is good with keeping secrets, but for sure Openmoko Inc.
> isn't :D
>
> --
> Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
> dos
Well time to make all those findings more explicit? :)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From kosa at piradio.org  Tue Oct 13 21:57:40 2009
From: kosa at piradio.org (Kosa)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:57:40 -0500
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80910131237g4e43622r7b583a0395f41806@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>	<4AD4D5BD.3050601@piradio.org>
	<5c6ceea80910131237g4e43622r7b583a0395f41806@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD4DBB4.4060205@piradio.org>

David Reyes Samblas Martinez escribi?:
> 2009/10/13 Kosa <kosa at piradio.org>:
>> Sean Moss-Pultz escribi?:
>>> Dear Community!
>>>
>>> Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the
>>> birth of our third product -- WikiReader. Three simple buttons put
>>> three million Wikipedia articles in the palm of your hand. Accessible
>>> immediately, anytime, anywhere without requiring an Internet
>>> connection. No strings attached. With WikiReader you'll be prepared
>>> for those unexpected moments when curiosity strikes. And once you have
>>> it, you'll realize how often you ask yourself questions during the
>>> day.
>> That's just great! Congratulations!
>>
>> Kosa
>>
>> - Un mundo mejor es posible -
> Hey Kosa!! you finally are free to speech about it :) , you are good
> keeping a secret :)

Yes!!! I did!! I am!! :d

cheers!

Kosa

- Un mundo mejor es posible -


From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 22:02:43 2009
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:02:43 +0200
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80910131249s35393e13h96247dacdb4c4a43@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD4D5BD.3050601@piradio.org>
	<5c6ceea80910131237g4e43622r7b583a0395f41806@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170910131240g6b60d4e5u338a96da06fd342b@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c6ceea80910131249s35393e13h96247dacdb4c4a43@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c30e08170910131302x21435d64m703028f4f696d845@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/13/09, David Reyes Samblas Martinez <david at tuxbrain.com> wrote:
> 2009/10/13 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak <seba.dos1 at gmail.com>:
>> On 10/13/09, David Reyes Samblas Martinez <david at tuxbrain.com> wrote:
>>> 2009/10/13 Kosa <kosa at piradio.org>:
>>>> Sean Moss-Pultz escribi?:
>>>>> Dear Community!
>>>>>
>>>>> Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the
>>>>> birth of our third product -- WikiReader. Three simple buttons put
>>>>> three million Wikipedia articles in the palm of your hand. Accessible
>>>>> immediately, anytime, anywhere without requiring an Internet
>>>>> connection. No strings attached. With WikiReader you'll be prepared
>>>>> for those unexpected moments when curiosity strikes. And once you have
>>>>> it, you'll realize how often you ask yourself questions during the
>>>>> day.
>>>>
>>>> That's just great! Congratulations!
>>>>
>>>> Kosa
>>>>
>>>> - Un mundo mejor es posible -
>>> Hey Kosa!! you finally are free to speech about it :) , you are good
>>> keeping a secret :)
>>> David Reyes Samblas Martinez
>>> http://www.tuxbrain.com
>>> Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
>>> Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
>>> Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!
>>
>> Well, finding it was really easy, even with some 3D case project,
>> photos, videos, chipset informations and source code ;) Openmoko
>> community is good with keeping secrets, but for sure Openmoko Inc.
>> isn't :D
>>
>> --
>> Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
>> dos
> Well time to make all those findings more explicit? :)

Source code (wikipediardware) is already known, other things were at
http://people.openmoko.org/ . Dunno if they still are, as I didn't
check it recently, but in some directory there were Windows app for
viewing attached 3D case design, and it was exactly that case ;) Also
there were some movie clips about used screen. Look for SAMO keyword
;)

-- 
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
dos


From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Tue Oct 13 22:25:51 2009
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:25:51 +0100
Subject: [debian] unexpected troubles
In-Reply-To: <87bpkc55rk.fsf@slice.rozzin.com>
References: <49dd78620910121322he6935e2w7ec6616dbd6b0d2f@mail.gmail.com>
	<87bpkc55rk.fsf@slice.rozzin.com>
Message-ID: <49dd78620910131325q26960fcdk76d44c5f4f396026@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/13 Joshua Judson Rosen <rozzin at geekspace.com>:
> Neil Jerram <neiljerram at googlemail.com> writes:
>>
>> I've just installed Debian again, and am surprised to be experiencing
>> some low-level problems. ?Hopefully they are easily fixable.
>
> I'll try addressing the issues that I can:

Many thanks for your reply.

>> - Load average unreasonably high. ?Right now, for example, my top says
>> "load average: 8.11, 8.13, 8.09". ?Yet CPU usage is only reaching
>> around 6%.
>
> Do you perhaps have a bunch of processes waiting on disk I/O? Maybe
> waiting to be paged-in from swap? How many processes are in
> uninterruptible sleep (`D') state? These also contribute to the
> load-counts, in Linux.

Thanks, I didn't know that.  I followed up on the D state, and found
that it usually indicates a kernel or device driver problem.  Based on
that, and the facts that I had to shutdown several times by pulling
the battery out, and that the way I installed Debian wasn't completely
vanilla (I tried to install into an existing partition), I decided
that it would probably be a good idea to reinstall from scratch, and
I've now done that.

> What does vmstat say (I usually run "vmstat 2")?
>
> What are your top memory-consuming processes (in terms of both real
> and virtual memory footprint)?

I'm afraid I didn't check these before reinstalling.

> Do you have a swap partition (or file)? Are you running from the
> internal NAND flash, or a micro-SD card?

I was running from the first partition of a micro-SD card.  No swap
partition, but post-installation I had prepared a 200Mb swap file on
/dev/mmcblk0p2.  I hadn't added a mount and swapon for this to
/etc/rc.local, so it wasn't being used during the boot.  I did the
mount and swapon later - I think after I'd already tried starting
Emacs, and that had hung - and it didn't appear to make any difference
(apart from top reporting the available swap).

>> - Battery not apparently charging. ?I'm using the USB lead from
>> another Linux computer, which successfully charges OM2009/Paroli and
>> SHR. ?But with Debian there is no + on the battery icon, and no orange
>> (or blue) light behind the power button.
>
> There's mention of issues with APM on the DebianOnFreeRunner Debian
> Wiki page:
>
> ? ? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner#KnownProblems

That looks like a red herring / misunderstanding to me.  IIUC, it was
resolved some months ago by an apm-emulation script that calls the
dbus API.

Post-reinstall, openmoko-panel-plugin is showing a believable battery
status, and responds to plugging in the USB cable, and I'm pretty sure
that it did that for a while after my first install too. So I guess I
must have broken it by one of my first install experiments.

>> - ssh (via USB) not working. ?The desktop end looks fine:

Similar situation here.  Post-reinstall, working fine.

So, right now I've reinstalled from scratch, with
QI=true
SD_SWAP_SIZE=512
TASKS=
./install.sh all

My problem now is no GSM - which was also the case after my previous
install - with the symptoms being that
- Zhone briefly says "Usage: Requested resource GSM with error" (or a
permutation of those words)
- Zhone's phone, messages and contacts buttons stay greyed out.

I've rebooted twice since reinstallation, so it isn't a first-boot problem.

GSM works fine on OM2009/Paroli (in NAND), so it isn't a SIM-seating problem.

I don't have a PIN, so it isn't a PIN entry problem.

Any ideas?

I wonder if I've got all the packages installed that I should have:

debian-gta02:~# dpkg -l *fso*
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name           Version        Description
+++-==============-==============-============================================
un  fso-abyss      <none>         (no description available)
un  fso-config     <none>         (no description available)
ii  fso-config-gta 20090224-1     configuration files for Openmoko GTA02 Neo F
ii  fso-frameworkd 0.9.5.9+git200 freesmartphone.org Framework Daemon
un  fso-frameworkd <none>         (no description available)
ii  fso-gpsd       0.8-3          gpsd compatibility daemon for the freesmarpt
ii  fso-gsm0710mux 0.9.3.1-3      GSM 07.10 Multiplexer
un  fso-sounds     <none>         (no description available)
ii  fso-sounds-yue 20081031-2     Yue base ringtones for the freesmartphone.or
un  fso-sounds-yue <none>         (no description available)
un  fso-usaged     <none>         (no description available)
ii  fso-utils      0.git20090919. Useful tools for the freesmartphone.org syst
ii  pkg-fso-keyrin 2009.09.12     GnuPG archive key of the pkg-fso Debian repo

debian-gta02:~# dpkg -l *one*
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name           Version        Description
+++-==============-==============-============================================
ii  libphone-utils 0.1+git2009080 library for basic phone operations
un  oneko          <none>         (no description available)
ii  python-phoneut 0.1+git2009080 python bindings for libphone-utils
ii  zhone          0-git20090610- freesmartphone.org demo GUI
ii  zhone-illume-g 0-git20090610- freesmartphone.org demo GUI - Illume interac
un  zhone-session  <none>         (no description available)

In particular I've been hearing recently about fso-usaged, fso-abyss
and ophonekitd, and none of these is installed.  Is that a problem?

Thanks,
        Neil


From risto at kurppa.fi  Tue Oct 13 22:38:38 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:38:38 +0300
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <c30e08170910131302x21435d64m703028f4f696d845@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD4D5BD.3050601@piradio.org>
	<5c6ceea80910131237g4e43622r7b583a0395f41806@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170910131240g6b60d4e5u338a96da06fd342b@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c6ceea80910131249s35393e13h96247dacdb4c4a43@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08170910131302x21435d64m703028f4f696d845@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d3e504410910131338n44fd29ydb52fca881cd185b@mail.gmail.com>

http://code.google.com/p/wikipediardware/

tells us:

The project's goal is to provide a bunch of software:

    * a set of bootloaders which load a small kernel image from SD
card and execute it.
    * wiki-lib, a library which contains all the application's logic
    * gui-lib, a very thin layer to provide glyph rendering and font
file parsing
    * some simulators (Qt/Cocoa/ncurses) which emulate the hardware to
make development easy
    * the 'kernel' code which is only a small wrapper around the
hardware and uses wiki-lib and gui-lib
    * host based tools to generate the content from Wikipedia sources
(indexing, font file generation, ...)


Especially I'm interested in the first one - the kernel image is
loaded from SD -> to me it sound's like a hackable device.


r

-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From maxposedon at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 23:17:19 2009
From: maxposedon at gmail.com (Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:17:19 +0300
Subject: Buy WikiReader [was: WikiReader]
Message-ID: <792ba59f0910131417w49e4b35esb3d85fae7a84693f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, all!

First of all, my congratulations with releasing mystical "Project B" !

Wikireader looks awesome, and I think most interested question for all
openmoko community now is:

How to buy WikiReader?

Looks like amazon doesn't ship this device to all countries. (why?!).

Could you explain your view about delivery, and country statuses,
where you ship, and where not, and if not, when you will.

As for me, it is interesting how to deliver this device to Belarus)

Thanks

Maksim


From will at openmoko.com  Tue Oct 13 23:33:34 2009
From: will at openmoko.com (William Lai)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:33:34 +0800
Subject: Buy WikiReader [was: WikiReader]
In-Reply-To: <792ba59f0910131417w49e4b35esb3d85fae7a84693f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <792ba59f0910131417w49e4b35esb3d85fae7a84693f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ea0e4110910131433u69d705b8mc40c02a1d3f0e9e6@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:17 AM, Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau <
maxposedon at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, all!
>
> First of all, my congratulations with releasing mystical "Project B" !
>
>
Thank you all for the continuing support.
We're really excited about today.



> Wikireader looks awesome, and I think most interested question for all
> openmoko community now is:
>
> How to buy WikiReader?
>
> Looks like amazon doesn't ship this device to all countries. (why?!).
>
>
It all comes down to price.  It's just too expensive for you (outside the
US) and we didn't think it was worth the rush.  Paying $85 USD for a $99
dollar device isn't exactly helpful.  We're working on getting more devices
and of course global shipping as well.  We'll definitely  post something
once that is available.  Stay tuned to hear from us within the next week.



> Could you explain your view about delivery, and country statuses,
> where you ship, and where not, and if not, when you will.
>
>
Right now we ship to US and Canada only.  Amazon didn't allow us to set
independent shipping rates for various countries.  It only offers a fixed
rate for 'outside US' and 'Asia'.  That would mean $85 to the UK and $85 to
Mexico -- not fair.


As for me, it is interesting how to deliver this device to Belarus)
>
>
I'm just as interested at this point.. please stay tuned.


Regards
Will
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From christian at exinto.de  Tue Oct 13 23:42:16 2009
From: christian at exinto.de (Christian)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:42:16 +0200
Subject: evopedia 0.2.3 release
In-Reply-To: <20091013191514.GD11760@onerussian.com>
References: <4ACE5EF3.9010402@exinto.de>	<2f3aa2770910091226w424db65cn5fca568302d6a4fd@mail.gmail.com>	<4AD069E5.3020401@exinto.de>
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Yaroslav Halchenko schrieb:
> GREAT JOB!!!!!
> 
> I would advice to tag and git push --tags, that would make github
> automagically generate tarballs for the releases available in 
> 
> http://github.com/crei/evopedia/downloads

Thanks for the hint.

> Would it be possible also to sanitize dumps to exclude images and
> provide those from your webpage (as well as full dumps)? that
> might make english version fit within available free space on my SD ;)

I don't really understand. There should be no images in the dumps at
all, only html files and coordinate information as symlinks. The images
are only loaded from the wikipedia servers if there is a connection to
the internet.

Thanks for your interest in the project. I wonder if I can learn
something from WikiReader...

Christian


From neo at el-hennig.de  Wed Oct 14 00:04:38 2009
From: neo at el-hennig.de (Lars Hennig)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:04:38 +0200
Subject: evopedia 0.2.3 release
In-Reply-To: <4ACE5EF3.9010402@exinto.de>
References: <4ACE5EF3.9010402@exinto.de>
Message-ID: <200910140004.39105.neo@el-hennig.de>

Am Donnerstag 08 Oktober 2009 schrieb Christian:
> evopedia version 0.2.3 is ready, the main new features include:
> - tangogps tile repository can be selected for article map
> - article map has been improved
> - your own position should be displayed on the map and you can zoom to it
> - the text links have been replaced by icons
> - article search is faster (1-3 seconds) for newly built images (at the
> moment only German Wikipedia and French in the next days), old images
> stay compatible
Are there plans to implement something like a full text index like in OpenZim? 
It makes it much much easier to find a topic of which the exact title is 
unknown.




-- 
Lars

 Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology:
   There's always one more bug.


From christian at exinto.de  Wed Oct 14 00:23:40 2009
From: christian at exinto.de (Christian)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:23:40 +0200
Subject: evopedia 0.2.3 release
In-Reply-To: <200910140004.39105.neo@el-hennig.de>
References: <4ACE5EF3.9010402@exinto.de> <200910140004.39105.neo@el-hennig.de>
Message-ID: <4AD4FDEC.9060100@exinto.de>

Lars Hennig schrieb:
> Am Donnerstag 08 Oktober 2009 schrieb Christian:
>> evopedia version 0.2.3 is ready, the main new features include:
>> - tangogps tile repository can be selected for article map
>> - article map has been improved
>> - your own position should be displayed on the map and you can zoom to it
>> - the text links have been replaced by icons
>> - article search is faster (1-3 seconds) for newly built images (at the
>> moment only German Wikipedia and French in the next days), old images
>> stay compatible
> Are there plans to implement something like a full text index like in OpenZim? 
> It makes it much much easier to find a topic of which the exact title is 
> unknown.

You are right, this should be the next step. I'll think about it.

Christian


From openmoko at brain-dump.org  Wed Oct 14 00:39:28 2009
From: openmoko at brain-dump.org (Marc Andre Tanner)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:39:28 +0200
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
In-Reply-To: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net>
References: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20091013223928.GB18303@debbook.brain-dump.org>

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:13:05PM +0200, DRSp. wrote:
> dear list,
> 
> I'm about organizing a #1024-fix-party just without the party-part 'cos 
> there's a IT-firm involved.
> 
> to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a message 
> in this list.

I would be intereset with 1 (maybe 2) Freerunners.

If there is the possibility to also apply the buzz and bass fixes then
I would also be interested in that.

And last but not least if some people are interested in the 'party-part'
then I would probably join the fun. 

Thanks for organizing it. 

Cheers,
Marc

-- 
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From will at openmoko.com  Wed Oct 14 01:38:57 2009
From: will at openmoko.com (William Lai)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:38:57 +0800
Subject: Buy WikiReader [was: WikiReader]
In-Reply-To: <4ea0e4110910131433u69d705b8mc40c02a1d3f0e9e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <792ba59f0910131417w49e4b35esb3d85fae7a84693f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ea0e4110910131433u69d705b8mc40c02a1d3f0e9e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ea0e4110910131638t235da66eu233a85bec5385cad@mail.gmail.com>

All,
I spent the whole morning trying to get international fixed-rates from USPS
for global shipping, but there is a downside, as there always is:

a)  standard shipments can take 10-20 days
b)  there are NO tracking numbers provided by USPS

The flat rate is $18.95 usd.  I think this is especially reasonable compared
to some of the prices in UPS (those of you who bought phones from us in the
beginning know exactly what I'm talking about).  These rates are available
now and Sean tells me we just updated the site so:

http://thewikireader.com/store

Help yourself :)
And when you DO buy one, please make sure to post back to this list the
actual time it took you to get your package.  That would help everyone out a
lot on actual shipping times.  Again, thanks for not being patient and
kicking our butts when something's missing.


Cheers,
Will



On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:33 AM, William Lai <will at openmoko.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:17 AM, Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau <
> maxposedon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, all!
>>
>> First of all, my congratulations with releasing mystical "Project B" !
>>
>>
> Thank you all for the continuing support.
> We're really excited about today.
>
>
>
>> Wikireader looks awesome, and I think most interested question for all
>> openmoko community now is:
>>
>> How to buy WikiReader?
>>
>> Looks like amazon doesn't ship this device to all countries. (why?!).
>>
>>
> It all comes down to price.  It's just too expensive for you (outside the
> US) and we didn't think it was worth the rush.  Paying $85 USD for a $99
> dollar device isn't exactly helpful.  We're working on getting more devices
> and of course global shipping as well.  We'll definitely  post something
> once that is available.  Stay tuned to hear from us within the next week.
>
>
>
>> Could you explain your view about delivery, and country statuses,
>> where you ship, and where not, and if not, when you will.
>>
>>
> Right now we ship to US and Canada only.  Amazon didn't allow us to set
> independent shipping rates for various countries.  It only offers a fixed
> rate for 'outside US' and 'Asia'.  That would mean $85 to the UK and $85 to
> Mexico -- not fair.
>
>
> As for me, it is interesting how to deliver this device to Belarus)
>>
>>
> I'm just as interested at this point.. please stay tuned.
>
>
> Regards
> Will
>
>
>
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From ghislain at basetrend.nl  Wed Oct 14 01:51:02 2009
From: ghislain at basetrend.nl (ghislain)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:51:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: QtMoko - QtBackup
Message-ID: <1255477862153-3819776.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,

I just released a new small backup-application (which is not in the QtMoko
feeds yet). This little application creates a qtbackup.tgz on the sdcard.
The application itself can only create backups, not restore. I've added the
restore function to the QtMoko installer-kernel, this kernel checks, after
flashing the rootfs, if the qtbackup.tgz file is available and if it is it
extracts this file in the root of the freshly flashed rootfs. As you can
guess, the main purpose of this little app is te keep settings,
applications, contacts etc over new versions.

The program I wrote just calls a shell-script wich contains the follwing
command:
cat qtbackup.conf | xargs tar zcf /media/card/qtbackup.tgz > /dev/null 2>&1

The file qtbackup.conf currently has the following lines in it:
/home/root
/var/lib/bluetooth
/usr/share/navit/navit.xml
/root/.gconf

You can already try this app if you add a new feed with the following url:
http://www.openmobile.nl/media/qtmoko
I already created an installer-version with the restore function: 
http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qtm14b QtMoko V14B 

Can someony please tell me how to get this app in the QtMoko feeds? (Radek?)
And of course I would like to upload the source to some git, qtmoko-apps on
github? (Sektor?)




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From sean at openmoko.com  Wed Oct 14 02:00:08 2009
From: sean at openmoko.com (Sean Moss-Pultz)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:00:08 +0800
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410910131338n44fd29ydb52fca881cd185b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4AD4D5BD.3050601@piradio.org>
	<5c6ceea80910131237g4e43622r7b583a0395f41806@mail.gmail.com> 
	<c30e08170910131240g6b60d4e5u338a96da06fd342b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<5c6ceea80910131249s35393e13h96247dacdb4c4a43@mail.gmail.com> 
	<c30e08170910131302x21435d64m703028f4f696d845@mail.gmail.com> 
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:38 AM, Risto H. Kurppa <risto at kurppa.fi> wrote:
>
> http://code.google.com/p/wikipediardware/
>
> tells us:
>
> The project's goal is to provide a bunch of software:
>
> ? ?* a set of bootloaders which load a small kernel image from SD
> card and execute it.
> ? ?* wiki-lib, a library which contains all the application's logic
> ? ?* gui-lib, a very thin layer to provide glyph rendering and font
> file parsing
> ? ?* some simulators (Qt/Cocoa/ncurses) which emulate the hardware to
> make development easy
> ? ?* the 'kernel' code which is only a small wrapper around the
> hardware and uses wiki-lib and gui-lib
> ? ?* host based tools to generate the content from Wikipedia sources
> (indexing, font file generation, ...)
>
>
> Especially I'm interested in the first one - the kernel image is
> loaded from SD -> to me it sound's like a hackable device.

That's not the same project guys. We'll post everything later this
week. I'll make an announcement.

  -Sean


From sean at openmoko.com  Wed Oct 14 03:57:38 2009
From: sean at openmoko.com (Sean Moss-Pultz)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:57:38 +0800
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <200910130830.50268.mickey@vanille-media.de>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200910130830.50268.mickey@vanille-media.de>
Message-ID: <6cfff7040910131857h7cef40c5tedeeedd9a61b1331@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
<mickey at vanille-media.de> wrote:
>
> Sean, let me be the first one to congratulate you.
>
> I think I know what an undertaking this project has been for you, so I'm very
> glad you made it. I wish you great success with this product!

Mickey

Thanks so much for the kind words! We're super excited about this one.

  -Sean


From sean at openmoko.com  Wed Oct 14 03:58:30 2009
From: sean at openmoko.com (Sean Moss-Pultz)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:58:30 +0800
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410910122358s35df3b51kca8b10c60342d6f8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200910130830.50268.mickey@vanille-media.de>
	<d3e504410910122358s35df3b51kca8b10c60342d6f8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6cfff7040910131858m94af1d9s8434b1256c551e74@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Risto H. Kurppa <risto at kurppa.fi> wrote:
> Congrats, interesting device!
>
> 1) What CPU you use?
> 2) Does it support multiple language versinos of Wikipedia?
> 3) What's the format the data is stored in?
> 4) Is the OS on the uSD card?
> 5) Open source - how do we hack it? No USB connector -> can the
> software be altered?

Please give us another few days. We're working on the developer stuff
now. It will be fun to hack. Don't worry.

  -Sean


From sean at openmoko.com  Wed Oct 14 04:00:36 2009
From: sean at openmoko.com (Sean Moss-Pultz)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:00:36 +0800
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <20091013123733.GA21695@almesberger.net>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20091013123733.GA21695@almesberger.net>
Message-ID: <6cfff7040910131900m71168218g3d9e12969005f139@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Werner Almesberger <werner at openmoko.org> wrote:
> Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
>> Today, with the greatest of pleasure, I am ready to share with you the
>> birth of our third product -- WikiReader.
>
> Yeah, it has hatched ! Congratulations to you and the rest of the
> team, and I hope that this cool little device will be a smashing
> success !

We hope so, too :-)

  -Sean


From cristianpark at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 04:11:20 2009
From: cristianpark at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Cristian_G=F3mez?=)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:11:20 -0500
Subject: Tips when GSM doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <SNT127-W42B3522FC10A5D73263369B2C70@phx.gbl>
References: <d5a948d60910121858t57575f4r54ae7881ce2da1bf@mail.gmail.com> 
	<SNT127-W42B3522FC10A5D73263369B2C70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <d5a948d60910131911rccad62cta96e99d2d774e767@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you so much to all of you for your answers. I can't determine what was
the problem, I changed the SIM and it works and after a while I put the *bad
SIM again and it works well after that. I notice another thing that happened
to me today: My FR doesn't wake up after a suspend, like it was on deep
sleep mode. I tried calling to the FR and it rings but it wasn't noticeable
by any event on the FR. Unfortunally again, it only have happened this time
so I don't have any log or something :S if it happens again, I'll try to
grab some information about it.

Until now I'm with the *bad SIM working well.


Did your FR suffer from an impact? Or do you think your problem is software
> related?
>

Niels, this is not my case but thanks for the advice to try to not let fall
the FR. I hope yours doesn't have any serious damage and you can figure out
what was affected with the fall

Thanks again for your answers


* Bad as the SIM that give me the problem

/****************************************
* Don't Worry.......Be Linux!!!!
* Cristian G?mez Alvarez
* Ingeniero en Sistemas y Computaci?n
* Universidad de Caldas
* Comunidad de Software Libre Manizales
* IEEE/WIE Student Member
* Linux User #463617
* Mi Blog: http://cristianpark.sehablalinux.com
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From cristianpark at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 04:16:20 2009
From: cristianpark at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Cristian_G=F3mez?=)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:16:20 -0500
Subject: Tips when GSM doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <d5a948d60910131911rccad62cta96e99d2d774e767@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5a948d60910121858t57575f4r54ae7881ce2da1bf@mail.gmail.com> 
	<SNT127-W42B3522FC10A5D73263369B2C70@phx.gbl>
	<d5a948d60910131911rccad62cta96e99d2d774e767@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d5a948d60910131916y57119f5i48fb7d70b6588fe4@mail.gmail.com>

I re-read my previous message and I think this part can be confusing:

......I tried calling to the FR and *it rings* but it wasn't noticeable by
any event on the FR.....

*it rings*: means that I hear the ring on the phone from I was calling
(don't know how to make it more clear, but I think you have the point now)

/****************************************
* Don't Worry.......Be Linux!!!!
* Cristian G?mez Alvarez
* Ingeniero en Sistemas y Computaci?n
* Universidad de Caldas
* Comunidad de Software Libre Manizales
* IEEE/WIE Student Member
* Linux User #463617
* Mi Blog: http://cristianpark.sehablalinux.com
****************************************/



El 13 de octubre de 2009 21:11, Cristian G?mez <cristianpark at gmail.com>escribi?:

> Thank you so much to all of you for your answers. I can't determine what
> was the problem, I changed the SIM and it works and after a while I put the
> *bad SIM again and it works well after that. I notice another thing that
> happened to me today: My FR doesn't wake up after a suspend, like it was on
> deep sleep mode. I tried calling to the FR and it rings but it wasn't
> noticeable by any event on the FR. Unfortunally again, it only have happened
> this time so I don't have any log or something :S if it happens again, I'll
> try to grab some information about it.
>
> Until now I'm with the *bad SIM working well.
>
>
> Did your FR suffer from an impact? Or do you think your problem is software
>> related?
>>
>
> Niels, this is not my case but thanks for the advice to try to not let fall
> the FR. I hope yours doesn't have any serious damage and you can figure out
> what was affected with the fall
>
> Thanks again for your answers
>
>
> * Bad as the SIM that give me the problem
>
> /****************************************
> * Don't Worry.......Be Linux!!!!
> * Cristian G?mez Alvarez
> * Ingeniero en Sistemas y Computaci?n
> * Universidad de Caldas
> * Comunidad de Software Libre Manizales
> * IEEE/WIE Student Member
> * Linux User #463617
> * Mi Blog: http://cristianpark.sehablalinux.com
> ****************************************/
>
>
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From site-openmoko.org at onerussian.com  Wed Oct 14 05:43:01 2009
From: site-openmoko.org at onerussian.com (Yaroslav Halchenko)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:43:01 -0400
Subject: evopedia 0.2.3 release
In-Reply-To: <4AD4F438.9070400@exinto.de>
References: <4ACE5EF3.9010402@exinto.de>
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Message-ID: <20091014034301.GE11760@onerussian.com>


On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Christian wrote:
> I don't really understand. There should be no images in the dumps at
> all, only html files and coordinate information as symlinks. The images
> are only loaded from the wikipedia servers if there is a connection to
> the internet.
ah... sorry I've probably got confused with
	wget -nv "http://download.wikimedia.org/""$LANG""wiki/""$DATE""/""$LANG""wiki-""$DATE""-image.sql.gz" -O "$DESTDIR/wiki-latest-image.sql.gz"
and
 echo "Importing images..."
in
http://github.com/crei/evopedia/blob/576d085e62297d1566c3d82d722acb4220b3da2f/createdump.sh

;-)

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From arhuaco at freaks-unidos.net  Wed Oct 14 07:20:42 2009
From: arhuaco at freaks-unidos.net (Nelson Castillo)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:20:42 -0500
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2accc2ff0910132220i40d35af2la49fe6d44420454b@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> wrote:
> Dear Community!
(cut)
> Sales start today at http://thewikireader.com. Enjoy. Tell your
> friends. And let us know what you think!

I like to see it seems very simple. I hope OM sells a lot of them and
that it manages to make a lot of users happy and knowledgeable :-)

Congratulations.


From bagdanov at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 07:53:36 2009
From: bagdanov at gmail.com (Andrew Bagdanov)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:53:36 +0200
Subject: QtMoko - QtBackup
In-Reply-To: <1255477862153-3819776.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1255477862153-3819776.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <6d996c210910132253q5db53fecy3b0b1e58949a79a8@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:51 AM, ghislain <ghislain at basetrend.nl> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I just released a new small backup-application (which is not in the QtMoko
> feeds yet). This little application creates a qtbackup.tgz on the sdcard.
> The application itself can only create backups, not restore. I've added the
> restore function to the QtMoko installer-kernel, this kernel checks, after
> flashing the rootfs, if the qtbackup.tgz file is available and if it is it
> extracts this file in the root of the freshly flashed rootfs. As you can
> guess, the main purpose of this little app is te keep settings,
> applications, contacts etc over new versions.
>
> The program I wrote just calls a shell-script wich contains the follwing
> command:
> cat qtbackup.conf | xargs tar zcf /media/card/qtbackup.tgz > /dev/null 2>&1
>
> The file qtbackup.conf currently has the following lines in it:
> /home/root
> /var/lib/bluetooth
> /usr/share/navit/navit.xml
> /root/.gconf
>
> You can already try this app if you add a new feed with the following url:
> http://www.openmobile.nl/media/qtmoko
> I already created an installer-version with the restore function:
> http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qtm14b QtMoko V14B
>
> Can someony please tell me how to get this app in the QtMoko feeds? (Radek?)
> And of course I would like to upload the source to some git, qtmoko-apps on
> github? (Sektor?)
>

I was just about to write something like this (though not nearly as
generic) for myself.  What a pleasant Wednesday morning surprise...
Thanks!

-Andy

>
>
>
> --
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From matter at abmaco.info  Wed Oct 14 08:42:43 2009
From: matter at abmaco.info (Adrian Matter)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:42:43 +0200
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
In-Reply-To: <20091013143717.1abe7b4b@nb05-x40>
Message-ID: <10ec0bf12ae7defed840f555e01c24ea@www.abmaco.info>

 Hello,

I am interested too. Thanks

Adrian
 
----------------urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----------------
Von: "Alexandre Ghisoli" alex at ghisoli.ch
An: community at lists.openmoko.org
Datum: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:37:17 +0200
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> Le Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:13:05 +0200,
> "DRSp." itman at gmx.net a ?crit :
> 
>> dear list,
>> 
>> I'm about organizing a #1024-fix-party just without the party-part
>> 'cos there's a IT-firm involved.
>> 
>> to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a
>> message in this list.
>> 
>> 
>> cheers itman
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
> I'm !
> And all other hardware bug (capacitor, ..)
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- 
> 	Alexandre Ghisoli
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 




From christian at reitwiessner.de  Wed Oct 14 09:41:43 2009
From: christian at reitwiessner.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Christian_Reitwie=DFner?=)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:41:43 +0200
Subject: evopedia 0.2.3 release
In-Reply-To: <20091014034301.GE11760@onerussian.com>
References: <4ACE5EF3.9010402@exinto.de>	<2f3aa2770910091226w424db65cn5fca568302d6a4fd@mail.gmail.com>	<4AD069E5.3020401@exinto.de>	<20091013191514.GD11760@onerussian.com>	<4AD4F438.9070400@exinto.de>
	<20091014034301.GE11760@onerussian.com>
Message-ID: <4AD580B7.6070604@reitwiessner.de>

Yaroslav Halchenko schrieb:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Christian wrote:
>> I don't really understand. There should be no images in the dumps at
>> all, only html files and coordinate information as symlinks. The images
>> are only loaded from the wikipedia servers if there is a connection to
>> the internet.
> ah... sorry I've probably got confused with
> 	wget -nv "http://download.wikimedia.org/""$LANG""wiki/""$DATE""/""$LANG""wiki-""$DATE""-image.sql.gz" -O "$DESTDIR/wiki-latest-image.sql.gz"
> and
>  echo "Importing images..."
> in
> http://github.com/crei/evopedia/blob/576d085e62297d1566c3d82d722acb4220b3da2f/createdump.sh
> 
> ;-)
> 

Ah you are right. These are only the database entries for the images
(and not the image data itself), they are used to create the correct
urls for the images.

Christian


From michael.smith at netapps.com.au  Wed Oct 14 09:42:55 2009
From: michael.smith at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:42:55 +1100
Subject: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
In-Reply-To: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
References: <20091010172450.5e6020a3@michael>
Message-ID: <20091014184255.1c5b73c3@michael>

I have updated my Alpha.kbd layout changes in this version:

1. Changed type to Alpha
2. Increased space between keys by one pixel to reduce typing mistakes
3. Added : and ; characters to facilitate typing emoticons

The new version is available at this URL:

http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/18573b096dda/Alpha.kbd

Regards,
-- 
Michael Smith
Network Applications
www.netapps.com.au   | +61 (0) 416 062 898
Web Hosting          | Internet Services
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From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Wed Oct 14 09:57:06 2009
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:57:06 +0200
Subject: QtMoko - QtBackup
In-Reply-To: <1255477862153-3819776.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1255477862153-3819776.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1255507026.4389.5.camel@rp-glum>

ghislain wrote:

> I just released a new small backup-application (which is not in the QtMoko
> feeds yet). This little application creates a qtbackup.tgz on the sdcard.

Very nice.

> Can someony please tell me how to get this app in the QtMoko feeds? (Radek?)
> And of course I would like to upload the source to some git, qtmoko-apps on
> github? (Sektor?)

The simplest way is to create project on github. Then let me know and i
will add the app to qtmoko-apps as subproject and i can also build it
and upload to QtMoko feed.

Another way is to fork qtmoko-apps, add it there and i can merge it
back, but i think the solutioin with subprojects is better.

Regards

Radek



From ccorrodi at corrodiauto.ch  Wed Oct 14 10:07:16 2009
From: ccorrodi at corrodiauto.ch (Christian Corrodi)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:07:16 +0200
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
In-Reply-To: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net>
References: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <4AD586B4.703@corrodiauto.ch>

On 12.10.2009 22:13, DRSp. wrote:
> I'm about organizing a #1024-fix-party just without the party-part 'cos
> there's a IT-firm involved.
>
> to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a message
> in this list.

I'm interested too.

Regards Christian



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From david at tuxbrain.com  Wed Oct 14 10:23:40 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:23:40 +0200
Subject: Buy WikiReader [was: WikiReader]
In-Reply-To: <4ea0e4110910131433u69d705b8mc40c02a1d3f0e9e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <792ba59f0910131417w49e4b35esb3d85fae7a84693f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ea0e4110910131433u69d705b8mc40c02a1d3f0e9e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c6ceea80910140123l649b94b4t7971659bc6b89a22@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/13 William Lai <will at openmoko.com>:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:17 AM, Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau
> <maxposedon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, all!
>>
>> First of all, my congratulations with releasing mystical "Project B" !
>>
>
> Thank you all for the continuing support.
> We're really excited about today.
>
>>
>> Wikireader looks awesome, and I think most interested question for all
>> openmoko community now is:
>>
>> How to buy WikiReader?
>>
>> Looks like amazon doesn't ship this device to all countries. (why?!).
>>
>
> It all comes down to price. ?It's just too expensive for you (outside the
> US) and we didn't think it was worth the rush. ?Paying $85 USD for a $99
> dollar device isn't exactly helpful. ?We're working on getting more devices
> and of course global shipping as well. ?We'll definitely ?post something
> once that is available. ?Stay tuned to hear from us within the next week.
>
>>
>> Could you explain your view about delivery, and country statuses,
>> where you ship, and where not, and if not, when you will.
>>
>
> Right now we ship to US and Canada only. ?Amazon didn't allow us to set
> independent shipping rates for various countries. ?It only offers a fixed
> rate for 'outside US' and 'Asia'. ?That would mean $85 to the UK and $85 to
> Mexico -- not fair.
>
>> As for me, it is interesting how to deliver this device to Belarus)
>>
>
> I'm just as interested at this point.. please stay tuned.
>
> Regards
> Will
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>
Hi all,
OM has enabled the international shipping, it will take 10-20 days and
there is no track number,  I want a unit ASAP to test/review/hack
myself and post about it and to be able to show it at conferences and
any one who lives near and want to see it.
Will has tell me to post the real time to delivere on the list and
thats's what I will do :) I have place the order today 14th October at
8:00AM the total payment including shipping is 118.20 $ (spanish
custom taxes pending).
OM still has not a distributor policy but as soon they have it(and if
we agree :P) I will buy a couple of Wikireaders to sell, stay tunned
to know how long and how much

David Reyes Samblas Martinez
http://www.tuxbrain.com
Open ultraportable & embedded solutions
Openmoko, Openpandora,  Arduino
Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!!


From mickey at vanille-media.de  Wed Oct 14 10:24:14 2009
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:24:14 +0200
Subject: Rod Whitby (MokoMakefile author) moves on to start WebOS Internals
In-Reply-To: <20091006142939.5cd657f2@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
References: <885645D3-B5E5-4A96-A8A8-FF86212B4FA0@whitby.id.au>
	<200910061420.31688.mickey@vanille-media.de>
	<20091006142939.5cd657f2@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Message-ID: <1255508654.18333.19.camel@opal>

Hi Alan,

> On a related point freesmartphone.org seems to be using the old hackish
> 3gpp ts07.10 user space code. 

Correct, for systems which don't use premultiplexed drivers, we're
resorting to a userland muxer (not the gsm0710muxd though, but rather a
clean implementation based on other code). I'd love to see a kernel
muxer, really. While I don't think it makes a difference on GPRS, it
might improve system performance on EDGE or UMTS a lot.

> I've got almost all of a kernel driver only
> my AT+CMUX capable device has expired. Dunno if anyone is interested in
> finishing the job (its basically written but not at all debugged and I
> know the tx queueing needs work either to make it do all the priorities
> right or just forget the the whole priority nightmare)

I think it'd be great if you could upload your code somewhere.

> Alternatively does anyone know what cheaper EU devices support AT+CMUX,
> it seems quite rare this side of the pond

Do you no longer have an Openmoko device? If not, I could arrange to
ship you one -- it may have problems, but at least the GSM would work.

Best regards,

Mickey.





From benz at geoid.ch  Wed Oct 14 10:29:57 2009
From: benz at geoid.ch (Samuel Benz)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:29:57 +0200
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
In-Reply-To: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net>
References: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <4AD58C05.5050902@geoid.ch>

Hi Itman

> 
> to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a message 
> in this list.
> 

Thank you for the organization. I am very interested.

Best
Sam




From thomas.franck at gmx.com  Wed Oct 14 10:52:04 2009
From: thomas.franck at gmx.com (Thomas Franck)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:52:04 +0200
Subject: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
In-Reply-To: <792ba59f0910090453w3bf90fc0q4e1f42b6c7b3e4b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC31589.3050001@gmx.com>	<792ba59f0909300330qe93b964gf109b6a888bf70b6@mail.gmail.com>	<4AC3B20B.7060905@gmx.com>	<792ba59f0910010353q4bd4a72bud4f38757136d3a5e@mail.gmail.com>	<4AC664A9.4090702@gmx.com>	<26fea52c0910050153w37f1d229k6d57dce98ef19526@mail.gmail.com>	<4ACA3AAE.3030908@gmx.com>	<792ba59f0910071624j4d901d9bx992bc99f0b91cdac@mail.gmail.com>	<4ACEE50D.4090906@gmx.com>
	<792ba59f0910090453w3bf90fc0q4e1f42b6c7b3e4b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD59134.1080309@gmx.com>

Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau wrote:
> As for you, I defently don't understand why you can't boot from uSD, plz
> try some very old images.

Will hopefully be able to try some more tonight..

In the end I ordered a new FR.. got it yesterday.. :D
Hope to get the other one up and running again, though.

What I found weird, though, is: I put my old 8GB SD card in the new one
(I used the 512MB card for the booting tests) and it had a very hard
time with it (a lot of bad sectors).. now, I put the card the adapter
and the reader.. and fdisk wouldn't even open the partition table of
it.. :O I could understand data loss on the ext3 partition there, but
the first few kilos should not have been touched when the battery was
suddenly "removed"...

Has anyone ever had that? I mean that an sdcard get's fubar-ed by a g-shock?

Very strange.. :S  anyway, I'll try to boot some more the the 512MB
card.. is there a way to tell whether the FR is booting from the SD
compared to the NAND? can I erase the NAND rootfs somehow?

Cheers,
-- 
Thomas

-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
Adapting old programs to fit new machines usually means adapting new
machines to behave like old ones.
  - Alan J. Perlis
-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~

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From omega.xavier at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 11:05:37 2009
From: omega.xavier at gmail.com (Xavier Cremaschi)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:05:37 +0200
Subject: Buy WikiReader [was: WikiReader]
In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea80910140123l649b94b4t7971659bc6b89a22@mail.gmail.com>
References: <792ba59f0910131417w49e4b35esb3d85fae7a84693f@mail.gmail.com>	<4ea0e4110910131433u69d705b8mc40c02a1d3f0e9e6@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c6ceea80910140123l649b94b4t7971659bc6b89a22@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD59461.7020903@gmail.com>

David Reyes Samblas Martinez a ?crit :
> I have place the order today 14th October at
> 8:00AM the total payment including shipping is 118.20 $ (spanish
> custom taxes pending).


Regarding eur->$ conversion rate these days it seems pretty cool !
FYI France doesn't put custom taxes on electronic devices so the big 
equation for me should be :
     [US price (HT) + shipping port + VAT (20.6%)] * 0.67

(^^)



From kerba.lists at open-innovation-projects.org  Wed Oct 14 12:44:41 2009
From: kerba.lists at open-innovation-projects.org (Kerstin)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:44:41 +0200
Subject: Survey: How does open source influence the
	=?UTF-8?Q?community=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <0ebc6d8516ad6d6e48080fa81b5a66a9@localhost>
References: <0ebc6d8516ad6d6e48080fa81b5a66a9@localhost>
Message-ID: <352cd59f2a663afe1ac53e21a6f1a280@localhost>

Hello again, 

as promised, here you can find my first release of aggregated survey
results for all communities: 
http://open-innovation-projects.org/my-research#part2 

And here are the results from the Openmoko community: 
http://open-innovation-projects.org/openmoko-survey-results/ 

The survey is also still open for participation ;-)

Best regards 
Kerstin 

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:04:36 +0200, Kerstin
<kerba.lists at open-innovation-projects.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm a researcher in the field of open source beyond software. Currently
> I'm
> investigating the special meaning of openness and its importance for the
> communities in this field.
> 
> Your opinion as Openmoko community member is very important to me!
> That's why I'm inviting you to fill out my survey. Answering the
questions
> may take about 5-7 minutes. The individual responses will be kept
strictly
> confidential, aggregated results will be published as soon as the survey
> is
> finished.
> Your response will help advance my research on the nature of
> hardware/software open source projects and help improve the quality of
> open
> source projects.
> I can also provide some specific results about Openmoko, if you are
> interested in details about your community.
> 
> Please follow this link:
> http://www.survey.open-innovation-projects.org/start/36/
> 
> The survey is conducted on a per project basis. In case you receive my
> request more than once, it's because you are involved in several
> communities. It would be great if you would fill out the survey more than
> once, for all projects which are relevant to you.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to contact
> me.
> If you are interested in more details about me and my research, please
> take
> a look at: http://open-innovation-projects.org/my-research
> Thank you very much for your help!
> 
> Best regards
> Kerstin Balka
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



From timo.lindfors at iki.fi  Wed Oct 14 12:58:37 2009
From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:58:37 +0300
Subject: voice calls with 3G USB dongle
In-Reply-To: <1255389951.13674.32.camel@rattus> (William Kenworthy's message
	of "Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:25:51 +0800")
References: <1255389951.13674.32.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <84iqei9r8i.fsf@sauna.l.org>

William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> writes:
> So the FR is now obsolete - but is it possible to use the FR with an
> external 3G dongle? - I know it works for data from previous posts here,
> but can you make voice/sms calls from an external 3G dongle?

Yes, chan_sebi module of asterisk can do voice calls with my huawei
E169 3G USB dongle.



From helge.hafting at hist.no  Wed Oct 14 13:07:35 2009
From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:07:35 +0200
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
In-Reply-To: <20091013172451.4be3a823@vanek.robe.cz>
References: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net>
	<20091013132317.GA18659@localdomain>	<8b48b1570910130730k1d79fb1cld1b965cc1a26f0e@mail.gmail.com>	<20091013164221.5bd7bfde@vanek.robe.cz>	<8b48b1570910130800n5d1b54cv24a969b6f94723c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091013172451.4be3a823@vanek.robe.cz>
Message-ID: <4AD5B0F7.1040402@hist.no>

Petr Vanek wrote:
[...]
> As mentioned previously, we would test on one piece first, confirm, then
> we would run the test script on all three pieces done.
> 
> BTW, you can see how he has done the buzz fix for us (sleek design in
> placing the cap) and has taken a few shots on his work photo microscope:
> http://vanous.penguin.cz/files/om/SOP/
> 

Assuming this works out well - what fixes are you going to offer?
All 3 (buzz, #1024, bass)?  Or the first two?

Will it be possible to send in a phone from Norway?

Helge Hafting


From vanous at penguin.cz  Wed Oct 14 13:13:01 2009
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:13:01 +0200
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
References: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net> <20091013132317.GA18659@localdomain>
	<8b48b1570910130730k1d79fb1cld1b965cc1a26f0e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091013164221.5bd7bfde@vanek.robe.cz>
	<8b48b1570910130800n5d1b54cv24a969b6f94723c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091013172451.4be3a823@vanek.robe.cz> <4AD5B0F7.1040402@hist.no>
Message-ID: <20091014131301.0b87b9e7@vanek.robe.cz>

>Petr Vanek wrote:
>[...]
>> As mentioned previously, we would test on one piece first, confirm,
>> then we would run the test script on all three pieces done.
>> 
>> BTW, you can see how he has done the buzz fix for us (sleek design in
>> placing the cap) and has taken a few shots on his work photo
>> microscope: http://vanous.penguin.cz/files/om/SOP/
>> 
>
>Assuming this works out well - what fixes are you going to offer?
>All 3 (buzz, #1024, bass)?  Or the first two?
>
>Will it be possible to send in a phone from Norway?

Let me check with the guy as i don't think we could make this in large
scale due to time constrains at his side...

I will let you know,

Petr



From billk at iinet.net.au  Wed Oct 14 13:29:21 2009
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:29:21 +0800
Subject: voice calls with 3G USB dongle
In-Reply-To: <84iqei9r8i.fsf@sauna.l.org>
References: <1255389951.13674.32.camel@rattus>  <84iqei9r8i.fsf@sauna.l.org>
Message-ID: <1255519761.13674.65.camel@rattus>

Sorry, thats not what I am asking - can I make normal voice calls like a
standard 3g phone, not have to set up a private VoIP system that
connects over a data link.

BillK


On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 13:58 +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> writes:
> > So the FR is now obsolete - but is it possible to use the FR with an
> > external 3G dongle? - I know it works for data from previous posts here,
> > but can you make voice/sms calls from an external 3G dongle?
> 
> Yes, chan_sebi module of asterisk can do voice calls with my huawei
> E169 3G USB dongle.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
-- 
William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
Home in Perth!



From helge.hafting at hist.no  Wed Oct 14 13:29:57 2009
From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:29:57 +0200
Subject: Thanks for good work on the WIFI driver
Message-ID: <4AD5B635.4000000@hist.no>

Wifi used to be very unstable and quirky, but is much improved now.

(I use the latest shr-unstable kernel)

I can now run a script that powers up wifi, loads the kernel
driver module, and then runs wpa-supplicant and udhcpc. And it
works - everytime!

I can even suspend and resume, and wpa-supplicant keeps
managing the connection after resume. I had to restart
udhcpc, but that is of course not a driver problem.

Helge Hafting


From cvwillegen at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 13:36:49 2009
From: cvwillegen at gmail.com (Christ van Willegen)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:36:49 +0200
Subject: Thanks for good work on the WIFI driver
In-Reply-To: <4AD5B635.4000000@hist.no>
References: <4AD5B635.4000000@hist.no>
Message-ID: <b77f73010910140436r6d3b5dc5s6e247dc16a16487c@mail.gmail.com>

Helge,

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Helge Hafting <helge.hafting at hist.no> wrote:
> Wifi used to be very unstable and quirky, but is much improved now.
I agree!

> I can now run a script that powers up wifi, loads the kernel
> driver module, and then runs wpa-supplicant and udhcpc. And it
> works - everytime!

Could you share this script with us? Or put it on the WIki?

Christ van Willegen
-- 
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0


From billk at iinet.net.au  Wed Oct 14 13:39:38 2009
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:39:38 +0800
Subject: voice calls with 3G USB dongle
In-Reply-To: <1255519761.13674.65.camel@rattus>
References: <1255389951.13674.32.camel@rattus>  <84iqei9r8i.fsf@sauna.l.org>
	<1255519761.13674.65.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <1255520378.13674.70.camel@rattus>

Maybe too hasty, does chan_sebi talk sip to the dongle (or maybe send
gsm coded audio) so calls go from the dongle to the operator as per
normal? - google isnt helping ...

BillK


On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 19:29 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
> Sorry, thats not what I am asking - can I make normal voice calls like a
> standard 3g phone, not have to set up a private VoIP system that
> connects over a data link.
> 
> BillK
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 13:58 +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> > William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> writes:
> > > So the FR is now obsolete - but is it possible to use the FR with an
> > > external 3G dongle? - I know it works for data from previous posts here,
> > > but can you make voice/sms calls from an external 3G dongle?
> > 
> > Yes, chan_sebi module of asterisk can do voice calls with my huawei
> > E169 3G USB dongle.
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
-- 
William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
Home in Perth!



From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 13:49:20 2009
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:49:20 +0200
Subject: Thanks for good work on the WIFI driver
In-Reply-To: <b77f73010910140436r6d3b5dc5s6e247dc16a16487c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AD5B635.4000000@hist.no>
	<b77f73010910140436r6d3b5dc5s6e247dc16a16487c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c30e08170910140449s50011f0cl4e2f14e7ac12e75f@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/14/09, Christ van Willegen <cvwillegen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Helge,
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Helge Hafting <helge.hafting at hist.no>
> wrote:
>> Wifi used to be very unstable and quirky, but is much improved now.
> I agree!
>
>> I can now run a script that powers up wifi, loads the kernel
>> driver module, and then runs wpa-supplicant and udhcpc. And it
>> works - everytime!
>
> Could you share this script with us? Or put it on the WIki?
>
> Christ van Willegen
> --
> 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

I'm doing just "fsoraw -r CPU,WiFi -- more", and after few seconds
"udhcpc"... And thanks, that reminded me to update WiFi module in SHR
Settings ;)

-- 
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
dos


From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Wed Oct 14 13:49:40 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:49:40 +0100
Subject: voice calls with 3G USB dongle
In-Reply-To: <1255520378.13674.70.camel@rattus>
References: <1255389951.13674.32.camel@rattus>
	<1255519761.13674.65.camel@rattus>
	<1255520378.13674.70.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <200910141249.40334.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

http://lists.elastix.org/pipermail/beta-testers/2009-May/000517.html

It looks to me like calls go from the dongle to the operator as normal, but 
that not all dongles are capable of this.

On Wednesday 14 October 2009, William Kenworthy wrote:
> Maybe too hasty, does chan_sebi talk sip to the dongle (or maybe send
> gsm coded audio) so calls go from the dongle to the operator as per
> normal? - google isnt helping ...
> 
> BillK
> 
> On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 19:29 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
> > Sorry, thats not what I am asking - can I make normal voice calls like a
> > standard 3g phone, not have to set up a private VoIP system that
> > connects over a data link.
> >
> > BillK
> >
> > On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 13:58 +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> > > William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> writes:
> > > > So the FR is now obsolete - but is it possible to use the FR with an
> > > > external 3G dongle? - I know it works for data from previous posts
> > > > here, but can you make voice/sms calls from an external 3G dongle?
> > >
> > > Yes, chan_sebi module of asterisk can do voice calls with my huawei
> > > E169 3G USB dongle.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Openmoko community mailing list
> > > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 



From infibit at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 14:42:51 2009
From: infibit at gmail.com (RANJAN)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:12:51 +0530
Subject: voice calls with 3G USB dongle
In-Reply-To: <84iqei9r8i.fsf@sauna.l.org>
References: <1255389951.13674.32.camel@rattus> <84iqei9r8i.fsf@sauna.l.org>
Message-ID: <1a9a6b160910140542k263653cbm60629a5a755dc21c@mail.gmail.com>

William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> writes:
> > So the FR is now obsolete - but is it possible to use the FR with an
> > external 3G dongle? - I know it works for data from previous posts here,
> > but can you make voice/sms calls from an external 3G dongle?
>
> Yes, chan_sebi module of asterisk can do voice calls with my huawei
> E169 3G USB dongle.
>
> Idea looks interesting.

Sriranjan
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From m.aubry at bluewin.ch  Wed Oct 14 14:55:54 2009
From: m.aubry at bluewin.ch (Mathias Aubry)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:55:54 +0200
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
In-Reply-To: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net>
References: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <1255524954.6097.19.camel@jmoulin-desktop>

Le lundi 12 octobre 2009 ? 22:13 +0200, DRSp. a ?crit :
> dear list,
> 
> I'm about organizing a #1024-fix-party just without the party-part 'cos 
> there's a IT-firm involved.
> 
> to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a message 
> in this list.
> 
> 
> cheers itman


Hello,

I'm also interested.


Mathias



From mjbroek at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 17:20:56 2009
From: mjbroek at gmail.com (Martijn van den Broek)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:20:56 +0200
Subject: Thanks for good work on the WIFI driver
In-Reply-To: <4AD5B635.4000000@hist.no>
References: <4AD5B635.4000000@hist.no>
Message-ID: <222f4f790910140820w6c7f63e3ocf86ca7b34f8eca3@mail.gmail.com>

Is that kernel the one from first of september from below?
http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D

Or is there a more recent kernel available somewhere?


On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Helge Hafting <helge.hafting at hist.no>wrote:

> Wifi used to be very unstable and quirky, but is much improved now.
>
> (I use the latest shr-unstable kernel)
>
> I can now run a script that powers up wifi, loads the kernel
> driver module, and then runs wpa-supplicant and udhcpc. And it
> works - everytime!
>
> I can even suspend and resume, and wpa-supplicant keeps
> managing the connection after resume. I had to restart
> udhcpc, but that is of course not a driver problem.
>
> Helge Hafting
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



-- 
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From timo.lindfors at iki.fi  Wed Oct 14 17:23:28 2009
From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:23:28 +0300
Subject: voice calls with 3G USB dongle
In-Reply-To: <1255520378.13674.70.camel@rattus> (William Kenworthy's message
	of "Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:39:38 +0800")
References: <1255389951.13674.32.camel@rattus> <84iqei9r8i.fsf@sauna.l.org>
	<1255519761.13674.65.camel@rattus> <1255520378.13674.70.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <84aazu9ez3.fsf@sauna.l.org>

William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> writes:
> Maybe too hasty, does chan_sebi talk sip to the dongle (or maybe send
> gsm coded audio) so calls go from the dongle to the operator as per
> normal? - google isnt helping ...

They are normal GSM voice calls.


From infibit at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 17:38:19 2009
From: infibit at gmail.com (RANJAN)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:08:19 +0530
Subject: voice calls with 3G USB dongle
In-Reply-To: <1255519761.13674.65.camel@rattus>
References: <1255389951.13674.32.camel@rattus> <84iqei9r8i.fsf@sauna.l.org>
	<1255519761.13674.65.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <1a9a6b160910140838n1dfed88et9739220d9e13d765@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, thats not what I am asking - can I make normal voice calls like a
> standard 3g phone, not have to set up a private VoIP system that
> connects over a data link.
>
> FR already has a sim and is 3G .Why do you want to connect it to a USB
dongle that can make calls?

Sriranjan
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From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 17:48:09 2009
From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:48:09 -0700
Subject: Open Moko free runner as GPS tracking device for automobiles and 
	Vibration test rig
In-Reply-To: <1a9a6b160910111130k5a1b408fl68e1fc149466c593@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a9a6b160910111130k5a1b408fl68e1fc149466c593@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f8d5d4f30910140848v76cb8d9bw26dd97a8dacc227e@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:30 AM, RANJAN <infibit at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Check out the attempt of I and my team of friends:
>
> GPS tracking using FR on a CAR:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtS_pU9kyp8&feature=channel
>
> Vibration measurement and Analysis:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5fUorY2ekM&feature=channel
>
> Regards
> Sriranjan

this is really fantastic. do you have any plans to expand its
functionality to g-force, lap timing, or acceleration? im really
hopping for a version of g-tac for the openmoko!!

http://www.apptism.com/apps/g-tac-pro


From rusolis at poczta.fm  Wed Oct 14 17:57:39 2009
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:57:39 +0200
Subject: Thanks for good work on the WIFI driver
In-Reply-To: <4AD5B635.4000000@hist.no>
References: <4AD5B635.4000000@hist.no>
Message-ID: <8b48b1570910140857k7f49e472kdc960fe04bd90e93@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/14 Helge Hafting <helge.hafting at hist.no>

> I can even suspend and resume, and wpa-supplicant keeps
> managing the connection after resume. I had to restart
> udhcpc, but that is of course not a driver problem.
>
> Helge Hafting
>

does the wifi antenna keep eating power while suspended or does it turn off?
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From daniel.l.staley at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 17:57:37 2009
From: daniel.l.staley at gmail.com (Dan Staley)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:57:37 -0400
Subject: voice calls with 3G USB dongle
In-Reply-To: <1a9a6b160910140838n1dfed88et9739220d9e13d765@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1255389951.13674.32.camel@rattus> <84iqei9r8i.fsf@sauna.l.org> 
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FR is not 3G.  It is only GPRS.

-Dan

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:38 AM, RANJAN <infibit at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Sorry, thats not what I am asking - can I make normal voice calls like a
>> standard 3g phone, not have to set up a private VoIP system that
>> connects over a data link.
>>
>> FR already has a sim and is 3G .Why do you want to connect it to a USB
> dongle that can make calls?
>
> Sriranjan
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
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From mail at mmontour.net  Wed Oct 14 19:16:07 2009
From: mail at mmontour.net (Mike Montour)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:16:07 -0700
Subject: WikiReader
In-Reply-To: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6cfff7040910122251q92e3956tc9ab17ae6b474676@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <hb510o$734$1@ger.gmane.org>

Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
> Sales start today at http://thewikireader.com. Enjoy. Tell your
> friends. And let us know what you think!

My first impression of the device - it's a Palm IIIx with 1000 times 
more storage, but poorer connectivity and fewer applications.

I have an electronic subscription to a couple of science-fiction 
magazines which I currently read on my old Palm IIIx. It's showing its 
age so I have been looking for a replacement for a while now. The 
Wikireader (with its sunlight-readable screen and AAA batteries) would 
fit this category as soon as an e-book reader application is available. 
Some other PDA applications like a calculator and a memo pad would be 
nice but I can live without them.

If/when an e-book application is developed, it would be nice to have an 
SD-card image of the Project Gutenberg archive.

I also have a question - what happens to equations and graphs in 
Wikipedia articles (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessel_functions)? 
Are equations rendered graphically or are they only shown in markup 
language? Are SVG images supported?



From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 20:50:31 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:50:31 +0200
Subject: Buy WikiReader [was: WikiReader]
In-Reply-To: <792ba59f0910131417w49e4b35esb3d85fae7a84693f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <792ba59f0910131417w49e4b35esb3d85fae7a84693f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc80910141150p3fa463f1xe5cd01c5e463f802@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau
<maxposedon at gmail.com> wrote:
> and I think most interested question for all
> openmoko community now is:

I think the most interested question is:
"What are they smoking?"

Seriously guys, any ebook reader is way more advanced then this
"WikiReader", and it is not suited for the job at all.
It does not support colored images, or images at all.

And reading the general feedback on the web (engadget, two other local
sites), almost all of the commenters find this device a joke. I
couldnt read *one* positive feedback from them.

In plus, evopedia was not generating too much interests either. And I
do think evopedia is much more advanced than this *dedicated* device.

At least implement offline wiktionary.org, to be able to promote as a
replacement for electronic dictionary devices.

Sorry for my harsh comment, but my bad joke just came true:

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Laszlo:
> I even found the first prototype;)
> http://www.rob-matthews.com/index.php?/project/wikipedia/


I truly hope, Im wrong here, and I wish you success!

Best regards,
 Laszlo


From montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 21:44:56 2009
From: montgoss+openmokocommunity at gmail.com (Steven **)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:44:56 -0500
Subject: Tips when GSM doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <d5a948d60910131916y57119f5i48fb7d70b6588fe4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5a948d60910121858t57575f4r54ae7881ce2da1bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT127-W42B3522FC10A5D73263369B2C70@phx.gbl>
	<d5a948d60910131911rccad62cta96e99d2d774e767@mail.gmail.com>
	<d5a948d60910131916y57119f5i48fb7d70b6588fe4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <abaa3a210910141244t5efc1375j554dad208be30f5@mail.gmail.com>

There is a thread on the SHR user mailing list about this issue.
I don't think there was any consensus on what causes it or how to
avoid it though.

-Steven

2009/10/13 Cristian G?mez <cristianpark at gmail.com>:
> I re-read my previous message and I think this part can be confusing:
>
> ......I tried calling to the FR and it rings but it wasn't noticeable by any
> event on the FR.....
>
> it rings: means that I hear the ring on the phone from I was calling (don't
> know how to make it more clear, but I think you have the point now)
>
> /****************************************
> * Don't Worry.......Be Linux!!!!
> * Cristian G?mez Alvarez
> * Ingeniero en Sistemas y Computaci?n
> * Universidad de Caldas
> * Comunidad de Software Libre Manizales
> * IEEE/WIE Student Member
> * Linux User #463617
> * Mi Blog: http://cristianpark.sehablalinux.com
> ****************************************/
>
>
>
> El 13 de octubre de 2009 21:11, Cristian G?mez <cristianpark at gmail.com>
> escribi?:
>>
>> Thank you so much to all of you for your answers. I can't determine what
>> was the problem, I changed the SIM and it works and after a while I put the
>> *bad SIM again and it works well after that. I notice another thing that
>> happened to me today: My FR doesn't wake up after a suspend, like it was on
>> deep sleep mode. I tried calling to the FR and it rings but it wasn't
>> noticeable by any event on the FR. Unfortunally again, it only have happened
>> this time so I don't have any log or something :S if it happens again, I'll
>> try to grab some information about it.
>>
>> Until now I'm with the *bad SIM working well.
>>
>>
>>> Did your FR suffer from an impact? Or do you think your problem is
>>> software related?
>>
>> Niels, this is not my case but thanks for the advice to try to not let
>> fall the FR. I hope yours doesn't have any serious damage and you can figure
>> out what was affected with the fall
>>
>> Thanks again for your answers
>>
>>
>> * Bad as the SIM that give me the problem
>>
>> /****************************************
>> * Don't Worry.......Be Linux!!!!
>> * Cristian G?mez Alvarez
>> * Ingeniero en Sistemas y Computaci?n
>> * Universidad de Caldas
>> * Comunidad de Software Libre Manizales
>> * IEEE/WIE Student Member
>> * Linux User #463617
>> * Mi Blog: http://cristianpark.sehablalinux.com
>> ****************************************/
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>


From thomas.franck at gmx.com  Wed Oct 14 22:42:12 2009
From: thomas.franck at gmx.com (Thomas Franck)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:42:12 +0200
Subject: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
In-Reply-To: <792ba59f0910090453w3bf90fc0q4e1f42b6c7b3e4b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC31589.3050001@gmx.com>	<792ba59f0909300330qe93b964gf109b6a888bf70b6@mail.gmail.com>	<4AC3B20B.7060905@gmx.com>	<792ba59f0910010353q4bd4a72bud4f38757136d3a5e@mail.gmail.com>	<4AC664A9.4090702@gmx.com>	<26fea52c0910050153w37f1d229k6d57dce98ef19526@mail.gmail.com>	<4ACA3AAE.3030908@gmx.com>	<792ba59f0910071624j4d901d9bx992bc99f0b91cdac@mail.gmail.com>	<4ACEE50D.4090906@gmx.com>
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Message-ID: <4AD637A4.7060306@gmx.com>

Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau wrote:
> As for you, I defently don't understand why you can't boot from uSD, plz
> try some very old images.

it's all the same for me.. :( stalls..
and I made sure that it indeed uses the SDcard..

Cheers,
-- 
Thomas

-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
IBM: It may be slow, but it's hard to use.
  - Andrew Tannenbaum
-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~

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From vanous at penguin.cz  Wed Oct 14 22:45:09 2009
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:45:09 +0200
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
References: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net> <20091013132317.GA18659@localdomain>
	<8b48b1570910130730k1d79fb1cld1b965cc1a26f0e@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:00:48 +0200
Michal Brzozowski <rusolis at poczta.fm> (MB) wrote:

>Sending to Czech Republic would be definitely easier as there are no
>customs involved (I'm in Poland). Does the person you've got provide
>any guarantees for the rework? Would you guys test my FR to see if the
>recamping is gone before you send it back?

Michal, we have given one FR to the tech guy today, with the hope he
will have it ready before Friday. the biggest question is how reliably
is he gonna be able to open up the can... the fix is then
quite trivial... closing up also.

i am hoping to drive over on Friday to have my FR #1024_fixed too, the
weekend should be survived on one batter charge only :) (well, i guess
not for me, as i have only one really weak cell tower around...)

anyhow, i'll keep you up to date, 

Petr



From maxposedon at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 22:56:56 2009
From: maxposedon at gmail.com (Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:56:56 +0300
Subject: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
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References: <4AC31589.3050001@gmx.com> <4AC3B20B.7060905@gmx.com>
	<792ba59f0910010353q4bd4a72bud4f38757136d3a5e@mail.gmail.com>
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	<26fea52c0910050153w37f1d229k6d57dce98ef19526@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4AD637A4.7060306@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <792ba59f0910141356w469bb946r98b5d1834ad927af@mail.gmail.com>

Hm... can you try compile your own kernel without nand/jffs2 support at all?


From info at apertum.it  Wed Oct 14 23:00:54 2009
From: info at apertum.it (-= Apertum =-)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:00:54 +0200
Subject: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
In-Reply-To: <4AD637A4.7060306@gmx.com>
References: <4AC31589.3050001@gmx.com>	<792ba59f0909300330qe93b964gf109b6a888bf70b6@mail.gmail.com>	<4AC3B20B.7060905@gmx.com>	<792ba59f0910010353q4bd4a72bud4f38757136d3a5e@mail.gmail.com>	<4AC664A9.4090702@gmx.com>	<26fea52c0910050153w37f1d229k6d57dce98ef19526@mail.gmail.com>	<4ACA3AAE.3030908@gmx.com>	<792ba59f0910071624j4d901d9bx992bc99f0b91cdac@mail.gmail.com>	<4ACEE50D.4090906@gmx.com>	<792ba59f0910090453w3bf90fc0q4e1f42b6c7b3e4b2@mail.gmail.com>
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* Thomas Franck wrote, Il 14/10/2009 22:42:
> Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau wrote:
>   
>> As for you, I defently don't understand why you can't boot from uSD, plz
>> try some very old images.
>>     
>
> it's all the same for me.. :( stalls..
> and I made sure that it indeed uses the SDcard..
>
>   
I have exactly the same problem: never booted form sd card, with Stall
error on screen.

-- 
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From thomas.franck at gmx.com  Wed Oct 14 23:03:12 2009
From: thomas.franck at gmx.com (Thomas Franck)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:03:12 +0200
Subject: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
In-Reply-To: <792ba59f0910141356w469bb946r98b5d1834ad927af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC31589.3050001@gmx.com>
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Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau wrote:
> Hm... can you try compile your own kernel without nand/jffs2 support at all?

I can try.. but it will take some time.. need to set up an environment
for that.. I'm a Win32 developer.. and my first try of building the SHR
failed with loads of errors that I had a bad time figuring out..

do you know where I can find instructions for compiling a custom kernel
for the neo?

Cheers,
-- 
Thomas

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From nicola.mfb at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 00:05:06 2009
From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:05:06 +0200
Subject: voice calls with 3G USB dongle
In-Reply-To: <84iqei9r8i.fsf@sauna.l.org>
References: <1255389951.13674.32.camel@rattus> <84iqei9r8i.fsf@sauna.l.org>
Message-ID: <359c5480910141505p2d932e6aj7bf60bea2fbed672@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors
<timo.lindfors at iki.fi> wrote:
> William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> writes:
>> So the FR is now obsolete - but is it possible to use the FR with an
>> external 3G dongle? - I know it works for data from previous posts here,
>> but can you make voice/sms calls from an external 3G dongle?
>
> Yes, chan_sebi module of asterisk can do voice calls with my huawei
> E169 3G USB dongle.

Nice! how is the audio routed to the host? is it possibile to make the
same on the freerunner?

    Nicola


From billk at iinet.net.au  Thu Oct 15 00:21:22 2009
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:21:22 +0800
Subject: voice calls with 3G USB dongle
In-Reply-To: <1a9a6b160910140838n1dfed88et9739220d9e13d765@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1255389951.13674.32.camel@rattus> <84iqei9r8i.fsf@sauna.l.org>
	<1255519761.13674.65.camel@rattus>
	<1a9a6b160910140838n1dfed88et9739220d9e13d765@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1255558882.13674.86.camel@rattus>

On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 21:08 +0530, RANJAN wrote:
> 
> 
>         Sorry, thats not what I am asking - can I make normal voice
>         calls like a
>         standard 3g phone, not have to set up a private VoIP system
>         that
>         connects over a data link.
>         
> FR already has a sim and is 3G .Why do you want to connect it to a USB
> dongle that can make calls?
> 
> Sriranjan 
> 
The FR can use a 3G SIM, but cant connect to a 3G network - which is my
problem.  GSM seems to be diminishing with 3G coverage quickly expanding
into new areas.

BillK





From boris.stender at gmx.de  Thu Oct 15 00:38:52 2009
From: boris.stender at gmx.de (Boris Stender)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:38:52 +0200
Subject: [fso based] Resource Allocation
Message-ID: <20091014223852.163560@gmx.net>

Hi everyone!

I have some questions concerning the allocation of FSO resources:


1) If the "Display" resource is allocated (e.g. utilizing fsoraw + application) the device will not suspend. Other resources (of course except "CPU") do not show this blocking effect. So why this special handling for "Display"?


Annotation: So the following excerpt of "fsoraw -h" seems to make no sense?!

...
examples:
     fsoraw --resources CPU,Display tangogps
...


2) If solely the "CPU" resource is requested I would except that the Display will blank. This is not the case. Trying to have a pure GPS logger utilizing "fsoraw --resources CPU tangogps" doesn't bring the expected result. For the logger scenario a workaround for me was to enable screen-locking instead, but of course with much higher energy drain than wanted, especially due to unavoidable touchscreen presses inside my pocket.


Annotation: It seems that Neil Brown did some coding around this problem but I haven't tested it on current SHR-U yet. Furthermore I think this non blanking is a general problem (blame me if not).


http://neil.brown.name/blog/20090128025654

http://neil.brown.name/git?p=freerunner;a=blob;f=lock/lock.py;h=9adc658b7081572829f1fc3c866b58b257ccb280;hb=ceb0fdcd0dd60d8c5400bec58df7f0f901665bdc
 

3) Fsoraw from Nicola Ranaldo does a great job. Unfortunately, it does not allow to make some resoure re-allocation for already running applications. Sometimes it may be desired to switch allocation on the fly, without the need to stop/start the program or without the need to override allocations from settings menue. Would it make sense to have some kind of resource manager instead of current fsoraw or should this be done within FSO?


4) One more point concerning "Display" allocation. For me there are three use cases: a) display blanking (logger), b) display with auto-dimming (tangogps while riding my bike) c) display always on (navit). Would it be feasible to pimp fsoraw to have something like this:

ad a) fsoraw -r CPU tangogps
ad b) fsoraw -r CPU,DispDim tangogps
ad c) fsoraw -r CPU,DispNoDim navit



And as I am already writing to the community I've one more question concerning #2^10

5) Why is ti_calypso_deep_sleep = "never" used by default on SHR instead of "auto"? Is there a problem with the recamping detection algorithm/procedure?   


Cheers,
Boris
-- 
Neu: GMX DSL bis 50.000 kBit/s und 200,- Euro Startguthaben!
http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02


From eric at ericanddebbie.com  Thu Oct 15 01:55:32 2009
From: eric at ericanddebbie.com (Eric Olson)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:55:32 -0500
Subject: voice calls with 3G USB dongle
In-Reply-To: <359c5480910141505p2d932e6aj7bf60bea2fbed672@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1255389951.13674.32.camel@rattus> <84iqei9r8i.fsf@sauna.l.org>
	<359c5480910141505p2d932e6aj7bf60bea2fbed672@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD664F4.7040701@ericanddebbie.com>

I was wondering about those details too.  If it works, perhaps FSO could 
consider adding support for the huawei E169 or similar 3G modems :D

Eric

Nicola Mfb wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors
> <timo.lindfors at iki.fi> wrote:
>> William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> writes:
>>> So the FR is now obsolete - but is it possible to use the FR with an
>>> external 3G dongle? - I know it works for data from previous posts here,
>>> but can you make voice/sms calls from an external 3G dongle?
>> Yes, chan_sebi module of asterisk can do voice calls with my huawei
>> E169 3G USB dongle.
> 
> Nice! how is the audio routed to the host? is it possibile to make the
> same on the freerunner?
> 
>     Nicola
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 



From fercerpav at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 02:29:18 2009
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:29:18 +0400
Subject: [SHR] Default deep sleep mode (was: Re: [fso based] Resource
	Allocation)
In-Reply-To: <20091014223852.163560@gmx.net> (Boris Stender's message of "Thu\,
	15 Oct 2009 00\:38\:52 +0200")
References: <20091014223852.163560@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <m21vl5a49t.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

"Boris Stender" <boris.stender at gmx.de> writes:
> And as I am already writing to the community I've one more question concerning #2^10
>
> 5) Why is ti_calypso_deep_sleep = "never" used by default on SHR
> instead of "auto"? Is there a problem with the recamping detection
> algorithm/procedure?

It's not exactly reliable, especially given that while it will be
detecting recamping you might lose some calls already. Moreover, this
scheme doesn't work when the device is suspended which might give
especiall unpleasant surprises. If you want deep sleep, just do the
hardware fix, it's not that hard, i did myself two already.

-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com


From hsw at openmoko.com  Thu Oct 15 03:29:41 2009
From: hsw at openmoko.com (Christopher Hall)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:29:41 +0800
Subject: [WikiReader] source uploaded to github
Message-ID: <200910150929.47327.hsw@openmoko.com>

Hello Everyone,

  The source code to WikiReader has been uploaded to github, it can
be downloaded using:

  git clone git://github.com/wikireader/wikireader.git

Please note that the gcc cross compiler does not work if compiled on a
64 bit Linux, read doc/Using-schroot.text if you want to try compiling.

For 32 bit look at the same file to see which packages to install.

-- 
Best regards.
Christopher Hall                      hswATopenmoko.com
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From cchandel at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 04:06:55 2009
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:06:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 1024#
In-Reply-To: <20091008165738.GB25095@roque.1407.org>
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>
	<b77f73010910070157u6c09c314x641e7903e38b577e@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1255572415110-3826812.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,
  I recently got my phone buzz and 1024 fixed in Delhi. (Thanks Zoheb and
Rakshat). But, I now have a different problem. My phone refuses to register
to the cell 3 out of 4 times with the following errors :-

2009.10.15 07:29:37.114 frameworkd.resource  INFO     setting resource
status for GSM from enabled to disabling
2009.10.15 07:29:38.235 frameworkd.resource  INFO     setting resource
status for GSM from disabling to disabled
2009.10.15 07:29:38.395 ophoned.protocol     INFO     removing protocol GSM
2009.10.15 07:29:43.927 frameworkd.resource  INFO     setting resource
status for GSM from disabled to enabling
2009.10.15 07:29:43.948 ogsmd.channel        INFO     <CallChannel via
unknown>: Creating channel with timeout = 3600 seconds
2009.10.15 07:29:43.996 ogsmd.channel        INFO    
<UnsolicitedResponseChannel via unknown>: Creating channel with timeout =
300 seconds
2009.10.15 07:29:44.99 ogsmd.channel        INFO     <MiscChannel via
unknown>: Creating channel with timeout = 300 seconds
2009.10.15 07:29:44.149 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:29:57.870 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
MISC, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:29:57.880 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:30:11.55 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:30:11.65 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:30:24.375 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
CALL, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:30:24.502 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:30:37.700 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
MISC, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:30:37.710 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:30:50.900 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:30:50.910 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:31:04.100 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
CALL, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:31:04.109 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:31:17.300 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
MISC, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:31:17.310 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:31:30.485 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:31:30.495 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:31:43.675 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
CALL, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:31:43.805 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:31:56.985 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
MISC, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:31:56.997 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:32:10.355 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:32:10.365 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:32:23.540 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
CALL, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:32:23.550 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'

and so on....
 
  Any ideas what the problem could be? What do MISC, UNSOL and CALL mean?

Thanks

   
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From cchandel at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 05:44:49 2009
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:44:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: GSM errors after 1024 fix
Message-ID: <1255578289321-3827146.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,
   Thought I'll start a new thread. 
  I got the buzz and 1024 fixes done at Delhi yesterday (thanks Zoheb and
Rakshat). But after a few restarts I'm facing this new problem - my modem
doesn't register and I get errors like :-

2009.10.15 07:29:37.114 frameworkd.resource  INFO     setting resource
status for GSM from enabled to disabling
2009.10.15 07:29:38.235 frameworkd.resource  INFO     setting resource
status for GSM from disabling to disabled
2009.10.15 07:29:38.395 ophoned.protocol     INFO     removing protocol GSM
2009.10.15 07:29:43.927 frameworkd.resource  INFO     setting resource
status for GSM from disabled to enabling
2009.10.15 07:29:43.948 ogsmd.channel        INFO     <CallChannel via
unknown>: Creating channel with timeout = 3600 seconds
2009.10.15 07:29:43.996 ogsmd.channel        INFO    
<UnsolicitedResponseChannel via unknown>: Creating channel with timeout =
300 seconds
2009.10.15 07:29:44.99 ogsmd.channel        INFO     <MiscChannel via
unknown>: Creating channel with timeout = 300 seconds
2009.10.15 07:29:44.149 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:29:57.870 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
MISC, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:29:57.880 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:30:11.55 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:30:11.65 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:30:24.375 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
CALL, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:30:24.502 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:30:37.700 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
MISC, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:30:37.710 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:30:50.900 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:30:50.910 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:31:04.100 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
CALL, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:31:04.109 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:31:17.300 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
MISC, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:31:17.310 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:31:30.485 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:31:30.495 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:31:43.675 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
CALL, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:31:43.805 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:31:56.985 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
MISC, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:31:56.997 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:32:10.355 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:32:10.365 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'
2009.10.15 07:32:23.540 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
CALL, retrying in 2 seconds
2009.10.15 07:32:23.550 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
channel from 'fso-abyss'

and so on....
 
  Any ideas what the problem could be? What do MISC, UNSOL and CALL mean? 
Thanks.
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From rakshat at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 07:36:16 2009
From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:06:16 +0530
Subject: GSM errors after 1024 fix
In-Reply-To: <1255578289321-3827146.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1255578289321-3827146.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <69a2e4550910142236y336663eaw3e1dd1874ec0f8c9@mail.gmail.com>

Did u manage to register at all after the fix? Or the error started later?

On 10/15/09, c_c <cchandel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>    Thought I'll start a new thread.
>   I got the buzz and 1024 fixes done at Delhi yesterday (thanks Zoheb and
> Rakshat). But after a few restarts I'm facing this new problem - my modem
> doesn't register and I get errors like :-
>
> 2009.10.15 07:29:37.114 frameworkd.resource  INFO     setting resource
> status for GSM from enabled to disabling
> 2009.10.15 07:29:38.235 frameworkd.resource  INFO     setting resource
> status for GSM from disabling to disabled
> 2009.10.15 07:29:38.395 ophoned.protocol     INFO     removing protocol GSM
> 2009.10.15 07:29:43.927 frameworkd.resource  INFO     setting resource
> status for GSM from disabled to enabling
> 2009.10.15 07:29:43.948 ogsmd.channel        INFO     <CallChannel via
> unknown>: Creating channel with timeout = 3600 seconds
> 2009.10.15 07:29:43.996 ogsmd.channel        INFO
> <UnsolicitedResponseChannel via unknown>: Creating channel with timeout =
> 300 seconds
> 2009.10.15 07:29:44.99 ogsmd.channel        INFO     <MiscChannel via
> unknown>: Creating channel with timeout = 300 seconds
> 2009.10.15 07:29:44.149 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
> channel from 'fso-abyss'
> 2009.10.15 07:29:57.870 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
> MISC, retrying in 2 seconds
> 2009.10.15 07:29:57.880 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
> channel from 'fso-abyss'
> 2009.10.15 07:30:11.55 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
> UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds
> 2009.10.15 07:30:11.65 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
> channel from 'fso-abyss'
> 2009.10.15 07:30:24.375 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
> CALL, retrying in 2 seconds
> 2009.10.15 07:30:24.502 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
> channel from 'fso-abyss'
> 2009.10.15 07:30:37.700 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
> MISC, retrying in 2 seconds
> 2009.10.15 07:30:37.710 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
> channel from 'fso-abyss'
> 2009.10.15 07:30:50.900 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
> UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds
> 2009.10.15 07:30:50.910 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
> channel from 'fso-abyss'
> 2009.10.15 07:31:04.100 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
> CALL, retrying in 2 seconds
> 2009.10.15 07:31:04.109 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
> channel from 'fso-abyss'
> 2009.10.15 07:31:17.300 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
> MISC, retrying in 2 seconds
> 2009.10.15 07:31:17.310 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
> channel from 'fso-abyss'
> 2009.10.15 07:31:30.485 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
> UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds
> 2009.10.15 07:31:30.495 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
> channel from 'fso-abyss'
> 2009.10.15 07:31:43.675 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
> CALL, retrying in 2 seconds
> 2009.10.15 07:31:43.805 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
> channel from 'fso-abyss'
> 2009.10.15 07:31:56.985 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
> MISC, retrying in 2 seconds
> 2009.10.15 07:31:56.997 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
> channel from 'fso-abyss'
> 2009.10.15 07:32:10.355 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
> UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds
> 2009.10.15 07:32:10.365 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
> channel from 'fso-abyss'
> 2009.10.15 07:32:23.540 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR    could not open channel
> CALL, retrying in 2 seconds
> 2009.10.15 07:32:23.550 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new
> channel from 'fso-abyss'
>
> and so on....
>
>   Any ideas what the problem could be? What do MISC, UNSOL and CALL mean?
> Thanks.
> --
> View this message in context:
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From cchandel at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 08:06:36 2009
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:06:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: GSM errors after 1024 fix
In-Reply-To: <69a2e4550910142236y336663eaw3e1dd1874ec0f8c9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1255578289321-3827146.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<69a2e4550910142236y336663eaw3e1dd1874ec0f8c9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1255586796754-3827502.post@n2.nabble.com>




rakshat wrote:
> 
> Did u manage to register at all after the fix? Or the error started later?
> 
  Seems like I can register once in every 4/5 reboots. I'm registered now
after 5 reboots. 
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From Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl  Thu Oct 15 09:48:43 2009
From: Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl (Patryk Benderz)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:48:43 +0200
Subject: [Community Updates] 2009-10-14 released!
Message-ID: <1255592923.18198.212.camel@ESP-PATBEN-LIN>

Hello everybody, recent Community Update is out!
Take a look at:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2009-10-14

and contribute to the new draft at:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2009-10-28

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From sander at 3v8.net  Thu Oct 15 10:30:40 2009
From: sander at 3v8.net (Sander van Grieken)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:30:40 +0200
Subject: Thanks for good work on the WIFI driver
In-Reply-To: <222f4f790910140820w6c7f63e3ocf86ca7b34f8eca3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AD5B635.4000000@hist.no>
	<222f4f790910140820w6c7f63e3ocf86ca7b34f8eca3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910151030.40858.sander@3v8.net>

Yeah, I haven't seen SHR-U updates for a while. Helge, is this with a self-built image?

grtz,
Sander


On Wednesday 14 October 2009 17:20:56 Martijn van den Broek wrote:
> Is that kernel the one from first of september from below?
> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D
> 
> Or is there a more recent kernel available somewhere?
> 
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Helge Hafting <helge.hafting at hist.no>wrote:
> > Wifi used to be very unstable and quirky, but is much improved now.
> >
> > (I use the latest shr-unstable kernel)
> >
> > I can now run a script that powers up wifi, loads the kernel
> > driver module, and then runs wpa-supplicant and udhcpc. And it
> > works - everytime!
> >
> > I can even suspend and resume, and wpa-supplicant keeps
> > managing the connection after resume. I had to restart
> > udhcpc, but that is of course not a driver problem.
> >
> > Helge Hafting
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 


From omega.xavier at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 10:29:11 2009
From: omega.xavier at gmail.com (Xavier Cremaschi)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:29:11 +0200
Subject: Buy WikiReader [was: WikiReader]
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc80910141150p3fa463f1xe5cd01c5e463f802@mail.gmail.com>
References: <792ba59f0910131417w49e4b35esb3d85fae7a84693f@mail.gmail.com>
	<c4cd0cc80910141150p3fa463f1xe5cd01c5e463f802@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD6DD57.9040806@gmail.com>

In our geeky daily life we are able to access to Wikipedia anywhere 
(home, work, transport), on high-res full color devices (computer, 
phones...).
Because hi-tech and Internet/Phone are everywhere.

This device gives you :
- offline access to Wikipedia
- on a cheap device (it could be cheaper if the company were bigger I 
presume)
- which uses AAA batteries, available anywhere in the world.

We (US/EU/Jap) almost don't care about these 3 points, so I can 
understand the "omg fuck**g useless I've already got a wikipedia apps on 
my iPhone, with images, colors and ponnies!".

But (IMHO) this device represents a new way to distribute Wikipedia.

Let's see the existing ones :
- a computer + internet : you need electricity, phone, Internet, a 
computer (+ knowledge to use it)
- a computer + dvd : the same but you have removed the phone/Internet 
dependency
- a smartphone (with or without provider) + an ebook reader software : 
usually naked phone are a bit costly, but it could be cheaper than a 
computer. You will need specific batteries when yours will die.
- a true ebook reader : ~= smartphone+software but easier to use I 
presume (I don't know if there is an existing ebook reader able to read 
Wikipedia but it seems a good solution)
- a real book (still a good way, maybe a bit heavy because of Wikipedia 
size)

The wikireader :
- AAA batteries
- 3 buttons, and supposedly easy to use
- open soft and hard (I presume), sturdy

Ok this is the english version of wikipedia and it is sold in US/EU/Jap 
(not the best market for it), but it's not *that* bad for a start : 
geeks make you earn a bit of cash, and could start tweaking the 
device... (ebook reader feature someone ?)

Xavier Cremaschi.



From thomas.hocedez at free.fr  Thu Oct 15 10:56:42 2009
From: thomas.hocedez at free.fr (Thomas HOCEDEZ)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:56:42 +0200
Subject: Buy WikiReader [was: WikiReader]
In-Reply-To: <4AD6DD57.9040806@gmail.com>
References: <792ba59f0910131417w49e4b35esb3d85fae7a84693f@mail.gmail.com>	<c4cd0cc80910141150p3fa463f1xe5cd01c5e463f802@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD6DD57.9040806@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD6E3CA.7030806@free.fr>

Xavier Cremaschi a ?crit :
> Ok this is the english version of wikipedia and it is sold in US/EU/Jap 
> (not the best market for it), but it's not *that* bad for a start : 
> geeks make you earn a bit of cash, and could start tweaking the 
> device... (ebook reader feature someone ?)
>
> Xavier Cremaschi.
>   
Source code is already available, and tweaking will actualy start when 
first devices will be shipped.
French community already find that keyboard is bitmap and so some 
pictures should be displayed on device...
It's a start, but such an interest for a product that nobody never 
touched, We can imagine what it can become.

Moreover, it's the "opensource" philosophy that is spreading : A new 
open product will arrive on the market, and lots of *hackers* wonder how 
they can improve it, and what they can turn it in  !

If it's not a big step for Openmoko, it's a great step for free humanity !
AstHrO


From risto at kurppa.fi  Thu Oct 15 11:59:26 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:59:26 +0300
Subject: [Community Updates] 2009-10-14 released!
In-Reply-To: <1255592923.18198.212.camel@ESP-PATBEN-LIN>
References: <1255592923.18198.212.camel@ESP-PATBEN-LIN>
Message-ID: <d3e504410910150259g233a49dbo4d9cf80040956d50@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, you rock! Thanks for doing this!


r



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| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From omega.xavier at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 11:59:49 2009
From: omega.xavier at gmail.com (Xavier Cremaschi)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:59:49 +0200
Subject: Buy WikiReader [was: WikiReader]
In-Reply-To: <4AD6E3CA.7030806@free.fr>
References: <792ba59f0910131417w49e4b35esb3d85fae7a84693f@mail.gmail.com>	<c4cd0cc80910141150p3fa463f1xe5cd01c5e463f802@mail.gmail.com>	<4AD6DD57.9040806@gmail.com>
	<4AD6E3CA.7030806@free.fr>
Message-ID: <4AD6F295.7040909@gmail.com>

As read on slashdot :
[...]
at those kind of power usage levels, you could hack a small solar cell 
into it and it should work anywhere you've got sunlight. Imagine a 
complete breakdown of civilization as we know it. Books are heavy and 
inconvenient and make good kindling. Without electricity, compact 
digital forms of information retrieval become impossible. What do we use 
to rebuild civilization after a couple generations of this send us back 
to the dark ages? This thing.
[...]

:P



From risto at kurppa.fi  Thu Oct 15 12:00:44 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:00:44 +0300
Subject: Survey: How does open source influence the community?
In-Reply-To: <352cd59f2a663afe1ac53e21a6f1a280@localhost>
References: <0ebc6d8516ad6d6e48080fa81b5a66a9@localhost>
	<352cd59f2a663afe1ac53e21a6f1a280@localhost>
Message-ID: <d3e504410910150300j3db8dfd6g38abf4a8a12efb90@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Kerstin
<kerba.lists at open-innovation-projects.org> wrote:
> Hello again,
>
> as promised, here you can find my first release of aggregated survey
> results for all communities:
> http://open-innovation-projects.org/my-research#part2
>
> And here are the results from the Openmoko community:
> http://open-innovation-projects.org/openmoko-survey-results/
>
> The survey is also still open for participation ;-)
>
> Best regards
> Kerstin


Wow, thanks for this, interesting results!

Could someone make a verbal analysis of the results. What should we
learn from this?
Also please add the survey results to
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2009-10-28#Community

Thanks!


r


From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Thu Oct 15 12:09:00 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:09:00 +0100
Subject: voice calls with 3G USB dongle
In-Reply-To: <359c5480910141505p2d932e6aj7bf60bea2fbed672@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1255389951.13674.32.camel@rattus> <84iqei9r8i.fsf@sauna.l.org>
	<359c5480910141505p2d932e6aj7bf60bea2fbed672@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910151109.00827.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Wednesday 14 October 2009, Nicola Mfb wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors
> 
> <timo.lindfors at iki.fi> wrote:
> > William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> writes:
> >> So the FR is now obsolete - but is it possible to use the FR with an
> >> external 3G dongle? - I know it works for data from previous posts here,
> >> but can you make voice/sms calls from an external 3G dongle?
> >
> > Yes, chan_sebi module of asterisk can do voice calls with my huawei
> > E169 3G USB dongle.
> 
> Nice! how is the audio routed to the host? is it possibile to make the
> same on the freerunner?

It looks like audio is going over one of several usb serial interfaces. For 
the Freerunner's GSM interface we would use chan_alsa, but it might need 
modification to treat left and right as separate interfaces if you want to use 
the handset mic and earpiece. There would also be some script glue between FSO 
and asterisk for call handling.


From rtm at cfa.harvard.edu  Thu Oct 15 12:33:22 2009
From: rtm at cfa.harvard.edu (Ken Young)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:33:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: WikiReader
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0910150621230.2217@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu>

Xavier Cremaschi wrote:
[...]
> This device gives you :
> - offline access to Wikipedia
> - on a cheap device (it could be cheaper if the company were bigger I
> presume)
> - which uses AAA batteries, available anywhere in the world.
>
> We (US/EU/Jap) almost don't care about these 3 points [...]

It will be entertaining if the folks who purchase WikiReaders start
hanging out on the Openmoko IRC channel.   One set of participants will
be blathering on about wpa_supplicant files, and the other will be
asking how to insert AAA batteries.

Ken Young



From idokan at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 12:40:13 2009
From: idokan at gmail.com (ik)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:40:13 +0200
Subject: boot mmc problems
Message-ID: <dc42cb950910150340i4f662b4fsfadbf5cdc504315f@mail.gmail.com>

Hello list,

I'm having problems booting from the uSD since I installed (once) Android on
my Neo FreeRunner (I removed it since then).
At first it claimed it can not boot from mmc, and now it claims it can not
find any boot partition and Kernel image.
It seems like it does not access the memory card at all, because even when I
extract the card from the phone, it has the same error.
I reburned u-boot and configured it to boot from uSD, but it still claim the
same errors. The same error exists both on NOR and NAND, so I do not think
it's a u-boot error.
I burned the same kernel and rootfs of SHR to the phone itself and it works,
but with the uSD it just have this error messages.

Any ideas how to understand what is wrong and how to solve it ?

Thanks,
Ido

http://ik.homelinux.org/
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From dscaini at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 12:43:33 2009
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:43:33 +0200
Subject: boot mmc problems
In-Reply-To: <dc42cb950910150340i4f662b4fsfadbf5cdc504315f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dc42cb950910150340i4f662b4fsfadbf5cdc504315f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18db98c80910150343t4d425fb6k6a07b40cf187758@mail.gmail.com>

Try flashing a new qi on your fr... android flashes a patched version of qi.
d

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:40 PM, ik <idokan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello list,
>
> I'm having problems booting from the uSD since I installed (once) Android
> on my Neo FreeRunner (I removed it since then).
> At first it claimed it can not boot from mmc, and now it claims it can not
> find any boot partition and Kernel image.
> It seems like it does not access the memory card at all, because even when
> I extract the card from the phone, it has the same error.
> I reburned u-boot and configured it to boot from uSD, but it still claim
> the same errors. The same error exists both on NOR and NAND, so I do not
> think it's a u-boot error.
> I burned the same kernel and rootfs of SHR to the phone itself and it
> works, but with the uSD it just have this error messages.
>
> Any ideas how to understand what is wrong and how to solve it ?
>
> Thanks,
> Ido
>
> http://ik.homelinux.org/
>
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From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Thu Oct 15 12:48:50 2009
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:48:50 +0200
Subject: GSM errors after 1024 fix
In-Reply-To: <1255578289321-3827146.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1255578289321-3827146.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <op.u1t8bovw41evsb@mcrkoord.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>

try the other muxer, gsmwhatsitsname, instead.
to me it seems, fso-abyss has detoriated into almost unusability over the  
last months.

when is started with it, month ago, it worked flawlessly, after doing an  
update to a more recent version of fso in july/august, zhone had issues  
requesting the gsm once in a while.
i updated to the latest fso packages of debian tuesday and zhone would not  
connect to fso at all -- something about not being able to enable gsm, gsm  
being in state enabling or to that effect.
before, i could restart frameworkd and it worked, last resort was reboot.
after several frameworkd restarts and two reboots i decided to revert to  
gsmwhtsitsnamemuxer, which seems to work far better (though with some  
minor flaws. connection to network is sometimes lost and i need to call  
twice to actually call).


From guru at unixarea.de  Thu Oct 15 12:50:57 2009
From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:50:57 +0200
Subject: Off Topic (was: Re: WikiReader)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0910150621230.2217@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0910150621230.2217@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <20091015105057.GA2985@current.Sisis.de>

El d?a Thursday, October 15, 2009 a las 06:33:22AM -0400, Ken Young escribi?:

> It will be entertaining if the folks who purchase WikiReaders start
> hanging out on the Openmoko IRC channel.   One set of participants will
> be blathering on about wpa_supplicant files, and the other will be
> asking how to insert AAA batteries.
> 
> Ken Young

Hello,

Can we move the threads about WikiReader to some other mailing list? It
has nearly nothing todo with the Freerunner.

Thx

	matthias

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From rakshat at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 13:00:34 2009
From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:30:34 +0530
Subject: GSM errors after 1024 fix
In-Reply-To: <1255586796754-3827502.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1255578289321-3827146.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<69a2e4550910142236y336663eaw3e1dd1874ec0f8c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<1255586796754-3827502.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <69a2e4550910150400y30687151q4c231c0e2145eb98@mail.gmail.com>

have you changed the deep sleep mode setting? or have you done an opkg
update after the fix? if yes can you revert back and check. also check
if recamping has stopped after the fix - just to be sure the fix was
ok.

On 10/15/09, c_c <cchandel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> rakshat wrote:
>>
>> Did u manage to register at all after the fix? Or the error started later?
>>
>   Seems like I can register once in every 4/5 reboots. I'm registered now
> after 5 reboots.
> --
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From risto at kurppa.fi  Thu Oct 15 13:10:20 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:10:20 +0300
Subject: Off Topic (was: Re: WikiReader)
In-Reply-To: <20091015105057.GA2985@current.Sisis.de>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0910150621230.2217@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu> 
	<20091015105057.GA2985@current.Sisis.de>
Message-ID: <d3e504410910150410m778ce7awbc076bd00f2cfeae@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Matthias Apitz <guru at unixarea.de> wrote:
> El d?a Thursday, October 15, 2009 a las 06:33:22AM -0400, Ken Young escribi?:
>
>> It will be entertaining if the folks who purchase WikiReaders start
>> hanging out on the Openmoko IRC channel. ? One set of participants will
>> be blathering on about wpa_supplicant files, and the other will be
>> asking how to insert AAA batteries.
>>
>> Ken Young

Did you notice that if we are strict, the mailing list has exactly as
much to do with Wikireader as with Freerunner..
community at lists.openmoko.org

-> to me it sound's like the mailing list is for community discussion
of Openmoko procudts. I think it includes Wikireader.


r


From david at tuxbrain.com  Thu Oct 15 13:21:59 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:21:59 +0200
Subject: Off Topic (was: Re: WikiReader)
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2009/10/15 Risto H. Kurppa <risto at kurppa.fi>:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Matthias Apitz <guru at unixarea.de> wrote:
>> El d?a Thursday, October 15, 2009 a las 06:33:22AM -0400, Ken Young escribi?:
>>
>>> It will be entertaining if the folks who purchase WikiReaders start
>>> hanging out on the Openmoko IRC channel. ? One set of participants will
>>> be blathering on about wpa_supplicant files, and the other will be
>>> asking how to insert AAA batteries.
>>>
>>> Ken Young
>
> Did you notice that if we are strict, the mailing list has exactly as
> much to do with Wikireader as with Freerunner..
> community at lists.openmoko.org
>
> -> to me it sound's like the mailing list is for community discussion
> of Openmoko procudts. I think it includes Wikireader.
+1
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From guru at unixarea.de  Thu Oct 15 13:24:06 2009
From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:24:06 +0200
Subject: Off Topic (was: Re: WikiReader)
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El d?a Thursday, October 15, 2009 a las 02:10:20PM +0300, Risto H. Kurppa escribi?:

> Did you notice that if we are strict, the mailing list has exactly as
> much to do with Wikireader as with Freerunner..
> community at lists.openmoko.org

No, you are wrong.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page says:

Openmoko is a project dedicated to delivering mobile phones with an open
source software stack. Openmoko is currently selling the Neo FreeRunner
phone to advanced users and will start selling it to the general public
as soon as the software is more developed....

The WikiReader is no mobile phone.

Btw: the FR would allow to install Wikipedia on it. This would have todo
with our mailimng list.

	matthias
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From david at tuxbrain.com  Thu Oct 15 13:35:11 2009
From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:35:11 +0200
Subject: Buy WikiReader [was: WikiReader]
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2009/10/15 Xavier Cremaschi <omega.xavier at gmail.com>:
> As read on slashdot :
> [...]
> at those kind of power usage levels, you could hack a small solar cell
> into it and it should work anywhere you've got sunlight. Imagine a
> complete breakdown of civilization as we know it. Books are heavy and
> inconvenient and make good kindling. Without electricity, compact
> digital forms of information retrieval become impossible. What do we use
> to rebuild civilization after a couple generations of this send us back
> to the dark ages? This thing.
> [...]
>
> :P
LOL, other situation, you suddenly pass trough a ripping in the
time-continuous and apear in the early middle ages...but luckily have
your Solar hacked WikiReader  with you... You can becoume the next
Merlin the sorcerer!!! better don't appear in there at least in Spain
or you will be burned as heretic before it boots. :P
>
>
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From nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 15 13:35:08 2009
From: nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com (Niels Heyvaert)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:35:08 +0000
Subject: Off Topic (was: Re: WikiReader)
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>
> Did you notice that if we are strict=2C the mailing list has exactly as
> much to do with Wikireader as with Freerunner..
> community at lists.openmoko.org
>
> -> to me it sound's like the mailing list is for community discussion
> of Openmoko procudts. I think it includes Wikireader.
>

Yes it's a openmoko community list so both products can be discussed. Stric=
tly speaking you're 100% correct. However=2C it would make a lot more sense=
 to have separate lists for the FR and the WikiReader.
=20
- Not everybody interested in the FR is also interested in the Wikireader a=
nd vice versa.
- Given the traffic we already have on the list=2C adding another topic cou=
ld render the list useless.
=20
My suggestion would be to set up a separate list (either for FR or Wikiread=
er or both). This would help the community and the user adoption of both de=
vices.
=20
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From rixed at happyleptic.org  Thu Oct 15 13:49:45 2009
From: rixed at happyleptic.org (rixed at happyleptic.org)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:49:45 +0200
Subject: Off Topic (was: Re: WikiReader)
In-Reply-To: <SNT127-W6376FB807E52AFEE356C80B2C50@phx.gbl>
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> My suggestion would be to set up a separate list (either for FR or Wikiread=
> er or both). This would help the community and the user adoption of both de=
> vices.

I agree but maybe we should wait until the problem arises in practice ?



From helge.hafting at hist.no  Thu Oct 15 14:03:40 2009
From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:03:40 +0200
Subject: Thanks for good work on the WIFI driver
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Sander van Grieken wrote:
> Yeah, I haven't seen SHR-U updates for a while. Helge, is this with a self-built image?

This kernel is not that new. I think I got it in an "opkg upgrade" 
session. SHR-U has not updated in a while, so I think it is simple the 
latest SHR-U kernel. I have been using it for a while, and wifi has been 
useable instead of "dies randomly all the time, only comes up now and then."

# uname -a
Linux om-gta02 2.6.29-rc3 #1 PREEMPT Tue Sep 1 23:03:59 CEST 2009 
armv4tl unknown

It is definitely not built by me.

Helge Hafting


From helge.hafting at hist.no  Thu Oct 15 14:05:16 2009
From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:05:16 +0200
Subject: Thanks for good work on the WIFI driver
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Michal Brzozowski wrote:

> does the wifi antenna keep eating power while suspended or does it turn 
> off?

I have no way of measuring that.

Helge Hafting


From helge.hafting at hist.no  Thu Oct 15 14:10:43 2009
From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:10:43 +0200
Subject: Thanks for good work on the WIFI driver
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Christ van Willegen wrote:
> Helge,
> 
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Helge Hafting <helge.hafting at hist.no> wrote:
>> Wifi used to be very unstable and quirky, but is much improved now.
> I agree!
> 
>> I can now run a script that powers up wifi, loads the kernel
>> driver module, and then runs wpa-supplicant and udhcpc. And it
>> works - everytime!
> 
> Could you share this script with us? Or put it on the WIki?

Here is the script. Made so it will work from /etc/init.d/


#!/bin/sh
#Start wireless using wpa_supplicant and udhcpc
#
#Contains a sleep, not meant to be run as a starupt script.
#works great interactively, or from SHR settings

PATH=/usr/local/bin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin

case "$1" in
	start)

		#Get rid of any old daemons:
		killall wpa_supplicant
		killall udhcpc

		echo Power up!
		#Power up WIFI, in case it is off
		mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced \
/org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi \
org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl.SetPower 1

		#Work around bugs:
		echo Reload!
		#The driver is borked after suspend, so
		#reload it:
		#(not sure if this step is still necessary,
		#it definitely was before.)
		rmmod ar6000 ; modprobe ar6000 ; sleep 2

		#Run wpa_supplicant, it will look for known networks
		#and associate to one of them. You need your own
		#/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
		echo Starting wpa_supplicant
		wpa_supplicant -i eth0 -Dwext \
-c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf &

		#give it a little time (no ifplugd yet)
		#My phone needs 12-14 seconds before it associates.
		sleep 20

		#Attempt dhcp
		udhcpc eth0
		;;
	stop)
		killall udhcpc
		killall wpa_supplicant
		#Save power by turning the interface off
		ifconfig eth0 down
		rmmod ar6000
		#Power down the hardware too:
		mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced \
/org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi \
org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl.SetPower 0
		;;
	restart)
		$0 start
		;;
	*)
		echo "Usage: /etc/init.d/wpa {start|stop|restart}"
		exit 1
		;;
esac
exit 0


From maxposedon at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 14:11:07 2009
From: maxposedon at gmail.com (Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:11:07 +0300
Subject: Buy WikiReader [was: WikiReader]
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As I see the wikireader becoming interested for different groups of funs.

1. Hitch hacker guide to the galaxy. DON'T PANIC
2. Fallout (pip-boy!)
3. Jeremiah (TV series) (exactly about situation from slashdot)

Who can continue? :) ...


From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 14:13:06 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:13:06 +0200
Subject: Buy WikiReader [was: WikiReader]
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Xavier Cremaschi
<omega.xavier at gmail.com> wrote:
> As read on slashdot :
> [...]
> at those kind of power usage levels, you could hack a small solar cell
> into it and it should work anywhere you've got sunlight. Imagine a
> complete breakdown of civilization as we know it. Books are heavy and
> inconvenient and make good kindling. Without electricity, compact
> digital forms of information retrieval become impossible. What do we use
> to rebuild civilization after a couple generations of this send us back
> to the dark ages? This thing.
> [...]
>
> :P

http://xkcd.com/208/


From risto at kurppa.fi  Thu Oct 15 15:01:16 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:01:16 +0300
Subject: Off Topic (was: Re: WikiReader)
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Niels Heyvaert
<nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Yes it's a openmoko community list so both products can be discussed. Stric=
> tly speaking you're 100% correct. However=2C it would make a lot more sense=
> ?to have separate lists for the FR and the WikiReader.
> =20
> - Not everybody interested in the FR is also interested in the Wikireader a=
> nd vice versa.
> - Given the traffic we already have on the list=2C adding another topic cou=
> ld render the list useless.

I do agree that not everyone are interested in both products, but
given the traffic we have, now that om2009 is not existing &
discussed, SHR is discussed on other mailing lists so it's mostly
qt/QT/Qt/similar discussion, I think there's still room for wikireader
threads here :) (to me it looks like that the # of mails on -community
list has went down a lot).

But however, it's Openmoko Inc who makes the decisions.

r


From rusolis at poczta.fm  Thu Oct 15 15:08:04 2009
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:08:04 +0200
Subject: Thanks for good work on the WIFI driver
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2009/10/15 Helge Hafting <helge.hafting at hist.no>

> Michal Brzozowski wrote:
>
> > does the wifi antenna keep eating power while suspended or does it turn
> > off?
>
> I have no way of measuring that.
>
>
Just check how much power it eats overnight. The battery should run out if
the wifi is on. But that's actually not important. Important to me is
whether you can effectively power off wifi after you're finished using it so
it doesn't drain the battery.
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From risto at kurppa.fi  Thu Oct 15 15:21:13 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:21:13 +0300
Subject: Wikireader & community
Message-ID: <d3e504410910150621l2bacbbb3l2e2e82366073a0c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

Now, after Wikireader's been released, I'd like to hear Openmoko to
share their thoughts about the community aspects of Wikireader.

Are you planning to encourage the creation of a devel/user community
around Wikireader?

If yes, then
What are the tech specs? We don't even know the dimensions of the device.
Who's the person at OM responsible for communicating with the community?
Where to discuss Wikireader?
What's the process to gain access to main repository?
Where to report bugs?
Where to submit patches?
Where will the documentation be available/written to?
What kind of contribution would you like to see from the community?
What will you do to enable the community to do what you want it to do?

'It'll all come later' just won't work this time.. 'We really don't
have plans yet' works better :)
If you seriously plan to benefit from the community, I think you
should keep the buzz up and start working WITH the community.

http://www.artofcommunityonline.org/
http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/building-community-around-your-foss.html

If no, then I wish you all the best.


Thanks!

r - Planning to buy one to play with and then maybe send it to someone
in a country with limited online time, unless it convinces me to keep
it even though I have Freerunner :)

ps. Like your 'You be the expert' videos but the reference to iPhone
on the video here is.. well.. whatever..

| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 15 15:34:34 2009
From: nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com (Niels Heyvaert)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:34:34 +0000
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>
> I do agree that not everyone are interested in both products=2C but
> given the traffic we have=2C now that om2009 is not existing &
> discussed=2C SHR is discussed on other mailing lists so it's mostly
> qt/QT/Qt/similar discussion=2C=20
=20
Perhaps the QtMoko guys want to start their dedicated mailing just like the=
 other are doing?
=20
> But however=2C it's Openmoko Inc who makes the decisions.

True.
=20
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From idokan at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 15:44:38 2009
From: idokan at gmail.com (ik)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:44:38 +0200
Subject: boot mmc problems
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References: <dc42cb950910150340i4f662b4fsfadbf5cdc504315f@mail.gmail.com> 
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Hi,

Thank you for your  answer.

After further investigation, it seems like SHR /dev/ directory does not
contain any mmc device at all.
It seems like om does not find the uSD socket any more.

Ido

http://ik.homelinux.org/


On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Davide Scaini <dscaini at gmail.com> wrote:

> Try flashing a new qi on your fr... android flashes a patched version of
> qi.d
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:40 PM, ik <idokan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello list,
>>
>> I'm having problems booting from the uSD since I installed (once) Android
>> on my Neo FreeRunner (I removed it since then).
>> At first it claimed it can not boot from mmc, and now it claims it can not
>> find any boot partition and Kernel image.
>> It seems like it does not access the memory card at all, because even when
>> I extract the card from the phone, it has the same error.
>> I reburned u-boot and configured it to boot from uSD, but it still claim
>> the same errors. The same error exists both on NOR and NAND, so I do not
>> think it's a u-boot error.
>> I burned the same kernel and rootfs of SHR to the phone itself and it
>> works, but with the uSD it just have this error messages.
>>
>> Any ideas how to understand what is wrong and how to solve it ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ido
>>
>> http://ik.homelinux.org/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> community at lists.openmoko.org
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>>
>>
>
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From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 16:23:47 2009
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:23:47 +0200
Subject: Thanks for good work on the WIFI driver
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On 10/15/09, Michal Brzozowski <rusolis at poczta.fm> wrote:
> 2009/10/15 Helge Hafting <helge.hafting at hist.no>
>
>> Michal Brzozowski wrote:
>>
>> > does the wifi antenna keep eating power while suspended or does it turn
>> > off?
>>
>> I have no way of measuring that.
>>
>>
> Just check how much power it eats overnight. The battery should run out if
> the wifi is on. But that's actually not important. Important to me is
> whether you can effectively power off wifi after you're finished using it so
> it doesn't drain the battery.
>

You can. And that script isn't necessary - allocating WiFi resource in
FSO ousaged interface is enough.

-- 
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
dos


From mickey at vanille-media.de  Thu Oct 15 17:15:23 2009
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:15:23 +0200
Subject: voice calls with 3G USB dongle
In-Reply-To: <4AD664F4.7040701@ericanddebbie.com>
References: <1255389951.13674.32.camel@rattus> <84iqei9r8i.fsf@sauna.l.org>
	<359c5480910141505p2d932e6aj7bf60bea2fbed672@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD664F4.7040701@ericanddebbie.com>
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Am Mittwoch, den 14.10.2009, 18:55 -0500 schrieb Eric Olson:
> I was wondering about those details too.  If it works, perhaps FSO could 
> consider adding support for the huawei E169 or similar 3G modems :D

Absolutely, in fact, chances are it'll already work with the singleline
abstraction.

:M:




From mickey at vanille-media.de  Thu Oct 15 17:17:33 2009
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:17:33 +0200
Subject: GSM errors after 1024 fix
In-Reply-To: <op.u1t8bovw41evsb@mcrkoord.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <1255578289321-3827146.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<op.u1t8bovw41evsb@mcrkoord.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>
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Am Donnerstag, den 15.10.2009, 12:48 +0200 schrieb arne anka:
> try the other muxer, gsmwhatsitsname, instead.
> to me it seems, fso-abyss has detoriated into almost unusability over the  
> last months.

Wow, that'd be quite an achiement considering that I didn't do any
development on it. Note that it still works flawlessly here. Perhaps
software these days starts to rot, just as organic material ;)

:M:





From mickey at vanille-media.de  Thu Oct 15 17:20:03 2009
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:20:03 +0200
Subject: Off Topic (was: Re: WikiReader)
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410910150601n2779351w954ebc0a42acc32c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0910150621230.2217@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu>
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Am Donnerstag, den 15.10.2009, 16:01 +0300 schrieb Risto H. Kurppa:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Niels Heyvaert
> <nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Yes it's a openmoko community list so both products can be discussed. Stric=
> > tly speaking you're 100% correct. However=2C it would make a lot more sense=
> >  to have separate lists for the FR and the WikiReader.
> > =20
> > - Not everybody interested in the FR is also interested in the Wikireader a=
> > nd vice versa.
> > - Given the traffic we already have on the list=2C adding another topic cou=
> > ld render the list useless.
> 
> I do agree that not everyone are interested in both products, but
> given the traffic we have, now that om2009 is not existing &
> discussed, SHR is discussed on other mailing lists so it's mostly
> qt/QT/Qt/similar discussion, I think there's still room for wikireader
> threads here :) (to me it looks like that the # of mails on -community
> list has went down a lot).
> 
> But however, it's Openmoko Inc who makes the decisions.

I disagree, it's our choice. These days this mailing list is now bein
operated by the community for the community. We chose what is on topic
and what not. As for the case of the wikireader, why not make a poll and
let all decide whether it's welcome to discuss here or not?

:M:




From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Thu Oct 15 17:34:18 2009
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:34:18 +0200
Subject: GSM errors after 1024 fix
In-Reply-To: <1255619853.18333.49.camel@opal>
References: <1255578289321-3827146.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<op.u1t8bovw41evsb@mcrkoord.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>
	<1255619853.18333.49.camel@opal>
Message-ID: <op.u1uljfy241evsb@mcrkoord.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>

> Wow, that'd be quite an achiement considering that I didn't do any
> development on it. Note that it still works flawlessly here. Perhaps
> software these days starts to rot, just as organic material ;)

well, debian's release cycle is somewhat detached from upstream.
i don't know when you "did any development on it" last.

i am perfectly open to any suggestion how to make it work again, but so  
far i am stuck -- and since the fr is my sole phone it has to work most of  
the day.
tried two different frameworkd.conf, mine, so far working, and one posted  
on the list (smartphone-userland, iirc) said to be working well as well.
the issues with fso-abyss remained regardless.



From risto at kurppa.fi  Thu Oct 15 17:41:27 2009
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:41:27 +0300
Subject: Off Topic (was: Re: WikiReader)
In-Reply-To: <1255620003.18333.51.camel@opal>
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
<mickey at vanille-media.de> wrote:
>> But however, it's Openmoko Inc who makes the decisions.
>
> I disagree, it's our choice. These days this mailing list is now bein
> operated by the community for the community. We chose what is on topic
> and what not. As for the case of the wikireader, why not make a poll and
> let all decide whether it's welcome to discuss here or not?

How about first waiting to see the specs & hear how hackable it is etc
to guesstimate how much community will there be around it and use this
to guess if it makes sense to start a new list?


r


From m.labrousse_list at bcmd.fr  Thu Oct 15 17:53:48 2009
From: m.labrousse_list at bcmd.fr (Mickael Labrousse)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:53:48 +0200
Subject: Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410910150841ib4c72beg8fec72243c372791@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0910150621230.2217@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu>
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	<d3e504410910150841ib4c72beg8fec72243c372791@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD7458C.9070103@bcmd.fr>

+1

Risto H. Kurppa a ?crit :
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
> <mickey at vanille-media.de> wrote:
>   
>>> But however, it's Openmoko Inc who makes the decisions.
>>>       
>> I disagree, it's our choice. These days this mailing list is now bein
>> operated by the community for the community. We chose what is on topic
>> and what not. As for the case of the wikireader, why not make a poll and
>> let all decide whether it's welcome to discuss here or not?
>>     
>
> How about first waiting to see the specs & hear how hackable it is etc
> to guesstimate how much community will there be around it and use this
> to guess if it makes sense to start a new list?
>
>
> r
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>   



From rakshat at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 18:38:39 2009
From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:08:39 +0530
Subject: Freerunner Review
Message-ID: <69a2e4550910150938y1278de97pa277ea8df066d416@mail.gmail.com>

I have been hearing a lot of good about the phone from our freerunner
customers of late (change from earlier :)

SO just sharing a recent review poster by a user

http://guide2freerunner.blogspot.com/

Rakshat

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From _ at whats-your.name  Thu Oct 15 19:02:05 2009
From: _ at whats-your.name (carmen)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:02:05 +0000
Subject: Xfbdev+ALSA - which phone?
Message-ID: <20091015170205.GA2518@x200>

since FICOpenMoko seems to have gotten out of competition against ASUSACerHTCHuaWeiNokiaEriccsonSonySamsungLGApple in the phone dept, which is a suitable option for someone who wants 3G data and the ability to run anything?

N900 is $600, i'd rather get 3 $100-150 mainland-china/last-generation Android phones that at least have XFbdev going, pick the one with the best ALSA support, and have 2 spares, and spend half of what Nokia wants on something i'd be afraid to break/lose

perhaps a G1?


From rakshat at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 19:16:17 2009
From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:46:17 +0530
Subject: Xfbdev+ALSA - which phone?
In-Reply-To: <20091015170205.GA2518@x200>
References: <20091015170205.GA2518@x200>
Message-ID: <69a2e4550910151016y65005a0ud986a44513f0c85e@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:32 PM, carmen <_ at whats-your.name> wrote:

> since FICOpenMoko seems to have gotten out of competition against
> ASUSACerHTCHuaWeiNokiaEriccsonSonySamsungLGApple in the phone dept, which is
> a suitable option for someone who wants 3G data and the ability to run
> anything?
>
> N900 is $600, i'd rather get 3 $100-150 mainland-china/last-generation
> Android phones that at least have XFbdev going, pick the one with the best
> ALSA support, and have 2 spares, and spend half of what Nokia wants on
> something i'd be afraid to break/lose
>
> perhaps a G1?
>
>
Get a Freerunner A7 and a 3G dongle that works.
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From arhuaco at freaks-unidos.net  Thu Oct 15 19:28:48 2009
From: arhuaco at freaks-unidos.net (Nelson Castillo)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:28:48 -0500
Subject: Freerunner Review
In-Reply-To: <69a2e4550910150938y1278de97pa277ea8df066d416@mail.gmail.com>
References: <69a2e4550910150938y1278de97pa277ea8df066d416@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM, rakshat hooja <rakshat at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have been hearing a lot of good about the phone from our freerunner
> customers of late (change from earlier :)
>
> SO just sharing a recent review poster by a user
>
> http://guide2freerunner.blogspot.com/

It's very nice to see recent reviews and less hate email in the lists.
Something that I think and that also hear from others is that it's sad
to see that OM stopped sponsoring phone development too early (when
the FR was just starting to work) but we know that many companies
(also individuals and countries) are having hard years.


From infibit at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 19:32:02 2009
From: infibit at gmail.com (RANJAN)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:02:02 +0530
Subject: Freerunner Review
In-Reply-To: <69a2e4550910150938y1278de97pa277ea8df066d416@mail.gmail.com>
References: <69a2e4550910150938y1278de97pa277ea8df066d416@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1a9a6b160910151032y73bb242g324674293e5c2f8e@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:08 PM, rakshat hooja <rakshat at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have been hearing a lot of good about the phone from our freerunner
> customers of late (change from earlier :)
>
> SO just sharing a recent review poster by a user
>
> http://guide2freerunner.blogspot.com/
>
> Rakshat
>
> Nice link Rakshat.

Sriranjan
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From alvieboy at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 20:52:41 2009
From: alvieboy at gmail.com (Alvie)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:52:41 +0100
Subject: Survey: How does open source influence the community?
In-Reply-To: <352cd59f2a663afe1ac53e21a6f1a280@localhost>
References: <0ebc6d8516ad6d6e48080fa81b5a66a9@localhost>
	<352cd59f2a663afe1ac53e21a6f1a280@localhost>
Message-ID: <4AD76F79.3080109@gmail.com>

Kerstin wrote:
> Hello again, 
> 
> as promised, here you can find my first release of aggregated survey
> results for all communities: 
> http://open-innovation-projects.org/my-research#part2 
> 
> And here are the results from the Openmoko community: 
> http://open-innovation-projects.org/openmoko-survey-results/ 
> 
> The survey is also still open for participation ;-)

Some interesting results there.

Q2.3 : Contributions from the developer community are highly welcome to be included in official releases.

You take a closer look, and remove the "non completed" entries, you can see that A+SA give a fantastic reading of 90%. This is indeed good - people realise that
their efforts actually make it to the final product.

Pity there is only one female there :)

?lvaro


From mickey at vanille-media.de  Thu Oct 15 21:05:35 2009
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:05:35 +0200
Subject: Off Topic (was: Re: WikiReader)
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410910150841ib4c72beg8fec72243c372791@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0910150621230.2217@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu>
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Message-ID: <200910152105.35261.mickey@vanille-media.de>

Sure, no point in rushing things.

:M:


From mickey at vanille-media.de  Thu Oct 15 21:07:24 2009
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:07:24 +0200
Subject: Xfbdev+ALSA - which phone?
In-Reply-To: <20091015170205.GA2518@x200>
References: <20091015170205.GA2518@x200>
Message-ID: <200910152107.24591.mickey@vanille-media.de>

Right now, the Palm Pre seems to come closest to the FreeRunner wrt. openness 
(albeit still miles away, of course).

It has just been released in europe and work has started to port an own 
userland based on FSO to it.

Cheers,

:M:


From nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 16 00:26:27 2009
From: nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com (Niels Heyvaert)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:26:27 +0000
Subject: Off Topic (was: Re: WikiReader)
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410910150841ib4c72beg8fec72243c372791@mail.gmail.com>
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> How about first waiting to see the specs & hear how hackable it is etc
> to guesstimate how much community will there be around it and use this
> to guess if it makes sense to start a new list?

You mean=2C let's wait until it becomes a problem and than we'll think abou=
t how to control the situation and pray to God some FR people will still be=
 on the list after the dust has settled?

You personally might think it is not a problem while others don't want to b=
e bothered with it and already see it as a problem.=20

I still go for the pragmatic approach: two completely separate gizmos =3D t=
wo different user groups =3D two different lists

You can always subscribe to multiple lists if you want.


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From kosa at piradio.org  Fri Oct 16 00:50:07 2009
From: kosa at piradio.org (Kosa)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:50:07 -0500
Subject: Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <SNT127-W410AFB23560984AE099F18B2C50@phx.gbl>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0910150621230.2217@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu>	<20091015105057.GA2985@current.Sisis.de>
	<SNT127-W410AFB23560984AE099F18B2C50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4AD7A71F.7040403@piradio.org>

Niels Heyvaert escribi?:
> 
>> How about first waiting to see the specs & hear how hackable it is etc
>> to guesstimate how much community will there be around it and use this
>> to guess if it makes sense to start a new list?
> 
> You mean=2C let's wait until it becomes a problem and than we'll think abou=
> t how to control the situation and pray to God some FR people will still be=
>  on the list after the dust has settled?
> 
> You personally might think it is not a problem while others don't want to b=
> e bothered with it and already see it as a problem.=20
> 
> I still go for the pragmatic approach: two completely separate gizmos =3D t=
> wo different user groups =3D two different lists
> 
> You can always subscribe to multiple lists if you want.

But we can always ask for those who write about Wikireader to use a
[wikireader] tag on the subject. That way you can filter everything with
that tag, so it  never gets to you inbox. We have done that with the
distros and it has worked quite good.

This is good couse it's still an Openmoko product, and it concerns to
the Openmoko community. I'm willing to read about it on the community
updates too, 'couse that's not just about the FR anyway.

My 2 centavos.

Kosa

- Un mundo mejor es posible -


From billk at iinet.net.au  Fri Oct 16 02:35:26 2009
From: billk at iinet.net.au (W.Kenworthy)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:35:26 +0800
Subject: Xfbdev+ALSA - which phone?
In-Reply-To: <69a2e4550910151016y65005a0ud986a44513f0c85e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091015170205.GA2518@x200>
	<69a2e4550910151016y65005a0ud986a44513f0c85e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1255653326.13134.5.camel@bunyip.localdomain>

Thats ok if you want to make a call out, but how can you call in if the
phone is suspended - leaving it running will probably give a battery
life of about 4 hours or so if not less.  There is also the problem of
how to attach the dongle - would look kinda weird with one of those
silver usb cables hanging out, not to say connector damage as it gets
twisted as you put it in a pocket or bag.  The USB dongle is a great
idea for temporary/emergency use, but I dont see it as practical as day
to day phone - wish it was tho as it would solve the lack of 3G issues.

BillK

On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 22:46 +0530, rakshat hooja wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:32 PM, carmen <_ at whats-your.name> wrote:
>         since FICOpenMoko seems to have gotten out of competition
>         against ASUSACerHTCHuaWeiNokiaEriccsonSonySamsungLGApple in
>         the phone dept, which is a suitable option for someone who
>         wants 3G data and the ability to run anything?
>         
>         N900 is $600, i'd rather get 3 $100-150
>         mainland-china/last-generation Android phones that at least
>         have XFbdev going, pick the one with the best ALSA support,
>         and have 2 spares, and spend half of what Nokia wants on
>         something i'd be afraid to break/lose
>         
>         perhaps a G1?
>         
> 
> Get a Freerunner A7 and a 3G dongle that works.  
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



From maxious at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 03:20:41 2009
From: maxious at gmail.com (Alex (Maxious) Sadleir)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:20:41 +1100
Subject: Off Topic (was: Re: WikiReader)
In-Reply-To: <SNT127-W410AFB23560984AE099F18B2C50@phx.gbl>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0910150621230.2217@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu> 
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Niels Heyvaert
<nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
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>
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>
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> _________________________________________________________________=0A=
> Je hele online leven op =E9=E9n stek met Windows Live=0A=
> http://www.microsoft.com/belux/nl/windows/windowslive/default.aspx=

If Windows Live Mail/Hotmail sends one heavily corrupted and annoying
to read email, does that mean we should ban all @hotmail users? Or
should we wait until it's a pattern? If we asked hotmail users not to
use Rich Text, would they do so?

The list is called community at lists.openmoko.org . You'd have a hard
time successfully telling every potential sender to use the right list
before they post anyway. Or would we all have to change to
community-freerunner-neo at lists.openmoko.org and
community-wikireader at lists.openmoko.org in preparation for a problem
that doesn't yet require a solution?


From sean at openmoko.com  Fri Oct 16 03:32:44 2009
From: sean at openmoko.com (Sean Moss-Pultz)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:32:44 +0800
Subject: [WikiReader] source uploaded to github
In-Reply-To: <200910150929.47327.hsw@openmoko.com>
References: <200910150929.47327.hsw@openmoko.com>
Message-ID: <6cfff7040910151832g6bcf3c75h46ff7b44e22e86c5@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Chris!

All,

I just wanted to let you know that Chris Hall is our software lead for
this project. So please feel free to ask any technical questions.

And enjoy our new codes. I can't wait to see what's the first new
language to appear on the WikiReader. You guys are really going to
love this thing.

  -Sean




?On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Christopher Hall <hsw at openmoko.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> ?The source code to WikiReader has been uploaded to github, it can
> be downloaded using:
>
> ?git clone git://github.com/wikireader/wikireader.git
>
> Please note that the gcc cross compiler does not work if compiled on a
> 64 bit Linux, read doc/Using-schroot.text if you want to try compiling.
>
> For 32 bit look at the same file to see which packages to install.
>
> --
> Best regards.
> Christopher Hall ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?hswATopenmoko.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From sean at openmoko.com  Fri Oct 16 03:54:39 2009
From: sean at openmoko.com (Sean Moss-Pultz)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:54:39 +0800
Subject: Wikireader & community
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410910150621l2bacbbb3l2e2e82366073a0c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e504410910150621l2bacbbb3l2e2e82366073a0c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6cfff7040910151854u255c2e5fh7c79e9d8ed0fc6d9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Risto

I'll take a stab at these questions... thanks for voicing your concerns:

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Risto H. Kurppa <risto at kurppa.fi> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Now, after Wikireader's been released, I'd like to hear Openmoko to
> share their thoughts about the community aspects of Wikireader.
>
> Are you planning to encourage the creation of a devel/user community
> around Wikireader?

Yes we already have. See
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-October/056548.html
from Chris Hall.

> If yes, then
> What are the tech specs? We don't even know the dimensions of the device.

The details of the processor and more are in the code. We're working
to put more documentation on the site soon. Please keep in mind we're
a much smaller team now. And our primary focus was to bring to a
product to market that would work out of the box. WikiReader is very
hackable. But it also had very different design considerations than
the FreeRunner (ie WikiReader has no OS).

> Who's the person at OM responsible for communicating with the community?

All of us really. If you need help / more information, please feel
free to ask. Specific technical questions Chris is most suited for
answering.

> Where to discuss Wikireader?

Up to you guys. If you want to keep using this list - I'm fine with
that. If you want to create another list, please let us know. Gismo
can get this setup ASAP.

> What's the process to gain access to main repository?

Just go to github.com/wikireader

> Where to report bugs?

github.com/wikireader

> Where to submit patches?

github.com/wikireader

> Where will the documentation be available/written to?

github.com/wikireader

> What kind of contribution would you like to see from the community?

Like I've said in past email to this list, I don't think it's possible
to talk about a community meeting the expectations of an individual or
company. I only wanted to inspire people, not demand results from them
(unless they're on my payroll ;-).

So I hope the community contributes their point of view to this
product. Take it in the direction you all like. Whether it's adding
another language, or another content source altogether, I would be
excited about seeing anything.

What are your expectations of us (the company)?

> What will you do to enable the community to do what you want it to do?

Keep producing products that use free software. And bring them to
regular people to help (in small ways) enrich their daily lives.

> 'It'll all come later' just won't work this time.. 'We really don't
> have plans yet' works better :)
> If you seriously plan to benefit from the community, I think you
> should keep the buzz up and start working WITH the community.
>
> http://www.artofcommunityonline.org/
> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/building-community-around-your-foss.html
>
> If no, then I wish you all the best.

I'll take your criticism as constructive. Thanks for letting me know
your thoughts.

  -Sean


From cchandel at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 16 04:16:37 2009
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:16:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: GSM errors after 1024 fix
In-Reply-To: <op.u1uljfy241evsb@mcrkoord.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <1255578289321-3827146.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<op.u1t8bovw41evsb@mcrkoord.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>
	<1255619853.18333.49.camel@opal>
	<op.u1uljfy241evsb@mcrkoord.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <1255659397539-3833238.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,
  Well, mine is working for now. I managed to reboot it to show android to a
friend - and it registered both in android and in shr-u - after I 'thumped'
it a few times ;-)
  It might be because of some loose connection - I intend getting it checked
soon - just need some time from pending stuff.
  Definitely a hardware problem - unless 'organic' software starts
responding to thumping too ;-)

BTW - I did switch the modem to 'always' and there haven't been any updates
to shr-u for a long time now - so the software is the same as before the
buzz fix.
 
  Somehow, I can't seem to notice any significant increase in the battery
standby time either. How do I check for the modem recamping?
-- 
View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/GSM-errors-after-1024-fix-tp3827146p3833238.html
Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.


From stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk  Fri Oct 16 04:38:45 2009
From: stroller at stellar.eclipse.co.uk (Stroller)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:38:45 +0100
Subject: Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <4AD7A71F.7040403@piradio.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0910150621230.2217@shinsky.cfa.harvard.edu>	<20091015105057.GA2985@current.Sisis.de>
	<SNT127-W410AFB23560984AE099F18B2C50@phx.gbl>
	<4AD7A71F.7040403@piradio.org>
Message-ID: <1C05174E-3972-4226-BB53-CC56A363AA5A@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>


On 15 Oct 2009, at 23:50, Kosa wrote:
> ...
> But we can always ask for those who write about Wikireader to use a
> [wikireader] tag on the subject. That way you can filter everything  
> with
> that tag, so it  never gets to you inbox. We have done that with the
> distros and it has worked quite good.

:o

Yeah, works great.

Shame that we didn't just establish more clearly defined mailing lists  
in the first place.

Seems like Mr Apitz complains about more general topics being  
discussed on -community because clearly in his mind -community should  
be used for support topics.

Maybe the WikiReader should be discussed on  
<support at lists.openmoko.org>, huh, since, we're not using that for  
support?

Stroller.



From wolfgang at qi-hardware.com  Fri Oct 16 08:58:34 2009
From: wolfgang at qi-hardware.com (Wolfgang Spraul)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:58:34 -0400
Subject: Freerunner Review
In-Reply-To: <2accc2ff0910151028oabc4a37x52f2cb468ab09140@mail.gmail.com>
References: <69a2e4550910150938y1278de97pa277ea8df066d416@mail.gmail.com>
	<2accc2ff0910151028oabc4a37x52f2cb468ab09140@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091016065834.GA6028@debian>

Nelson,

> Something that I think and that also hear from others is that it's sad
> to see that OM stopped sponsoring phone development too early (when
> the FR was just starting to work) but we know that many companies

Totally agree with you.
But the good news is that Werner continues with gta02-core, which you are
probably aware of. And Sean has promised a set of 20 components for their
first run.
So things are moving.
Wolfgang

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:28:48PM -0500, Nelson Castillo wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM, rakshat hooja <rakshat at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have been hearing a lot of good about the phone from our freerunner
> > customers of late (change from earlier :)
> >
> > SO just sharing a recent review poster by a user
> >
> > http://guide2freerunner.blogspot.com/
> 
> It's very nice to see recent reviews and less hate email in the lists.
> Something that I think and that also hear from others is that it's sad
> to see that OM stopped sponsoring phone development too early (when
> the FR was just starting to work) but we know that many companies
> (also individuals and countries) are having hard years.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


From arhuaco at freaks-unidos.net  Fri Oct 16 09:26:59 2009
From: arhuaco at freaks-unidos.net (Nelson Castillo)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:26:59 -0500
Subject: Freerunner Review
In-Reply-To: <20091016065834.GA6028@debian>
References: <69a2e4550910150938y1278de97pa277ea8df066d416@mail.gmail.com> 
	<2accc2ff0910151028oabc4a37x52f2cb468ab09140@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20091016065834.GA6028@debian>
Message-ID: <2accc2ff0910160026o1145fc45hb39531dfe88eab42@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:58 AM, Wolfgang Spraul
<wolfgang at qi-hardware.com> wrote:
> Nelson,
>
>> Something that I think and that also hear from others is that it's sad
>> to see that OM stopped sponsoring phone development too early (when
>> the FR was just starting to work) but we know that many companies
>
> Totally agree with you.
> But the good news is that Werner continues with gta02-core, which you are
> probably aware of. And Sean has promised a set of 20 components for their
> first run.
> So things are moving.

Oh yes. It's not really true that OM doesn't sponsor development
anymore... Thanks for pointing it out.

N.-


From itman at gmx.net  Fri Oct 16 11:11:47 2009
From: itman at gmx.net (DRSp.)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:11:47 +0200
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
In-Reply-To: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net>
References: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <4AD838D3.80101@gmx.net>

The #1024-fix in switzerland is organized:

Art.Nr.            Artikel:
GTA01-02FIX1024        Openmoko GTA01 and GTA02 hardware-fix
(Replacing the 10uF capacitor with a new high value 22uF capacitor)

Price:            42.00 CHF

Additional costs:
S99943             Versandkostenanteil PDA  19.00 CHF (CH)

all prices without MwST.

You may order the fix under the aforementioned art.-number. It'll take 
1-2 day to perform the fix.

SwissIT Repair AG
Bahnhofstrasse 50
CH-5507 Mellingen

Tel.     +41-(0)58 556 01 02     Direkt
Tel.     +41-(0)58 556 01 01     Auftragscenter
Tel.     +41-(0)58 556 01 07     Ersatzteilhandel
                 (Fragen zu Bestellungen)
Fax.    +41-(0)58 556 01 09     Telefax
http://www.swissitrepair.ch
Info: info at swissitrepair.ch

I'm not related with this company, so direct any question to 
info at swissitrepair.ch


cheers itman


Am 12.10.2009 22:13, schrieb DRSp.:
> dear list,
>
> I'm about organizing a #1024-fix-party just without the party-part 'cos
> there's a IT-firm involved.
>
> to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a message
> in this list.
>
>
> cheers itman
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Fri Oct 16 14:50:35 2009
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:50:35 +0200
Subject: [debian] fso-abyss: loses connection after suspend/resume
Message-ID: <op.u1v8mkse41evsb@mcrkoord.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>

after the latest debian updates, my fr loses connection to network after
suspending (or rather resuming).
i cant' call and looking into the tower info tab of zhone i get
MCC/MNC: 262/03
Serving Cell: N/A

restarting zhone (and being able to register) solves that -- until the
next suspend/resume.
deep sleep is set to never since my fr heavily suffers from #1024.

since i am in my new office w/o an usb cable handy, i can't look for the
logs.

while typing i see the screen lighting up again -- showing either the text  
above or a full listing of cell informations.
suspendig fails continously since the modem is busy and fails to suspend  
-- according to the messages on the console.

looks like a heavy case of #1024 -- but deep sleep _is_ disabled in  
frameworkd.conf!


From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 15:27:51 2009
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:27:51 +0200
Subject: True USB plug and play experience
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc80910160627n5de5660cv891305a6ef9b01d5@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list,

I have using my laptop+2 Freerunners since more than a
month now with this setup.

I have written down this tutorial, because I have promised
to Paul Fertser:-)

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Klaszlo#True_plug-and-play_experience_using_usb_networking

It is working fine with ubuntu 9.04(jaunty), but I have difficulty
with 8.10 (intrepid) my gf's laptop, maybe
it is dependent on the Networkmanager version, maybe my
memory is a little bit fuzzy, as I setup a month ago originally.
So please test it and report.

What are the achieved features you may ask, here it goes:
* manually assigned IP to the freerunner (no DHCP wait)
* each freerunner recognised and separate name is assigned to it. (ie.
when I plug my freerunner in my laptop, it displays "Laci's moko")
* a script is executed when the freerunner is plugged in
 (it set up the iptables rule currently for the network, but it will
 (in the future) also auto-sync some stuff with my laptop))
* I can access the internet from the freerunner without problem (no
need any manual command typed in the terminal)
* Each freerunner is recognised individually, and the appropriate part
of the script is executed


Please respect this work, as it took several days,
and some heavy help from NetworkManager's developers (namely dcbw,
asac and NoelJB)
to fully setup and debug it. It had various problems and headaches.


I hope you enjoy using it, and report back how is it going.
I personally love the plug and play experience.

Best regards,
 Laszlo


From Klaus.Fuerth at gmx.de  Fri Oct 16 16:27:27 2009
From: Klaus.Fuerth at gmx.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Klaus_F=FCrth?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:27:27 +0200
Subject: evopedia 0.2.3 release
In-Reply-To: <4ACE5EF3.9010402@exinto.de>
References: <4ACE5EF3.9010402@exinto.de>
Message-ID: <4AD882CF.2080505@gmx.de>

Hi!

Christian schrieb am 08.10.2009 23:51:
> evopedia version 0.2.3 is ready, the main new features include:


Great app, thank you very much! I love it!

Do you plan to cache the downloaded images for offline use (with 
user-defineable size)? This would be a great feature. A pre-cache-fill 
(for example with images of most popular sites) would be great.


Klaus


From christian at exinto.de  Fri Oct 16 17:47:06 2009
From: christian at exinto.de (Christian)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:47:06 +0200
Subject: evopedia 0.2.3 release
In-Reply-To: <4AD882CF.2080505@gmx.de>
References: <4ACE5EF3.9010402@exinto.de> <4AD882CF.2080505@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <4AD8957A.1090801@exinto.de>

Klaus F?rth schrieb:
> Hi!
> 
> Christian schrieb am 08.10.2009 23:51:
>> evopedia version 0.2.3 is ready, the main new features include:
> 
> 
> Great app, thank you very much! I love it!
> 
> Do you plan to cache the downloaded images for offline use (with 
> user-defineable size)? This would be a great feature. A pre-cache-fill 
> (for example with images of most popular sites) would be great.

At the moment, this is not planned. Actually evopedia has nothing to do
wth downloading the images, this is done by the browser (of course, it
could be changed). Perhaps you can try to configure the browser to cache
the images. I don't think that downloading some images in advance is a
good idea. That's at least not how I use evopedia, I don't read popular
pages, but of course, if the community convinces me, I will implement it.

Kind regards,
Christian


From alex at ghisoli.ch  Fri Oct 16 19:14:06 2009
From: alex at ghisoli.ch (Alexandre Ghisoli)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:14:06 +0200
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
In-Reply-To: <4AD838D3.80101@gmx.net>
References: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net>
	<4AD838D3.80101@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20091016191406.739289c9@nb05-x40>

Le Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:11:47 +0200,
"DRSp." <itman at gmx.net> a ?crit :

> The #1024-fix in switzerland is organized:
> 
> Art.Nr.            Artikel:
> GTA01-02FIX1024        Openmoko GTA01 and GTA02 hardware-fix
> (Replacing the 10uF capacitor with a new high value 22uF capacitor)
> 
> Price:            42.00 CHF
> 
> Additional costs:
> S99943             Versandkostenanteil PDA  19.00 CHF (CH)
> 
> all prices without MwST.
> 
> You may order the fix under the aforementioned art.-number. It'll
> take 1-2 day to perform the fix.
> 
> SwissIT Repair AG
> Bahnhofstrasse 50
> CH-5507 Mellingen
> 
> Tel.     +41-(0)58 556 01 02     Direkt
> Tel.     +41-(0)58 556 01 01     Auftragscenter
> Tel.     +41-(0)58 556 01 07     Ersatzteilhandel
>                  (Fragen zu Bestellungen)
> Fax.    +41-(0)58 556 01 09     Telefax
> http://www.swissitrepair.ch
> Info: info at swissitrepair.ch
> 
> I'm not related with this company, so direct any question to 
> info at swissitrepair.ch

Thanks !

And about the other fixes as well ? (buzz, bass and GPS / SDIO issue)

Best regards

-- 
	Alexandre Ghisoli
	


From vanous at penguin.cz  Fri Oct 16 20:18:11 2009
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:18:11 +0200
Subject: 1024#
References: <6aad99ec0910070150y48315992tdef23501e6b45d73@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ACC6101.2090506@free.fr>
	<200910071247.22973.solar.george@googlemail.com>
	<200910071337.51342.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20091016201811.35906b82@vanek.robe.cz>

O
>> > Then you have the bug (trying to connect to GSM every second!)
>> 
>> What would be considered a normal rate of connections?
>
>Under normal circumstances you would only see these messages with a
>change of cell, so cid would be different. The only time I know of
>that you might legitimately see repeated reconnection to the same cell
>is if you've got very low signal and it's the only cell visible.
>
>I get intermittent reconnection problems where the gap between
>reconnections is between 15s and several hours. 

i have one fr here with the 1024 fix already done but i can not see
any output even during car ride, when cells do change for sure... is
the script really working OK?

thank you
Petr



From bernd.pruenster at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 20:22:38 2009
From: bernd.pruenster at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bernd_Pr=FCnster?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:22:38 +0200
Subject: Launcher 0.37
Message-ID: <4AD8B9EE.6000000@gmail.com>

2words: pure awesomeness!
(btw i started a new thread, because the old one wasn't readable if you 
use message grouping)
the greatest advantage over shr apps is how amazingly fast it is. this 
beats every other phone i've seen (phonelog, contacts, msgs).
it is amazing!
keep up the great work!


From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Fri Oct 16 21:46:03 2009
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:46:03 +0100
Subject: #1024-Fix in switzerland
In-Reply-To: <20091016191406.739289c9@nb05-x40>
References: <4AD38DD1.8070801@gmx.net> <4AD838D3.80101@gmx.net>
	<20091016191406.739289c9@nb05-x40>
Message-ID: <200910162046.04068.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Friday 16 October 2009, Alexandre Ghisoli wrote:
> And about the other fixes as well ? (buzz, bass and GPS / SDIO issue)

How many times does it need to be said?

THERE IS NO GPS/SDIO ISSUE


From rms at 1407.org  Fri Oct 16 23:38:16 2009
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:38:16 +0100
Subject: [Qi - SHR-U/All?] Pink line of death
In-Reply-To: <20091005162747.GA520@roque.1407.org>
References: <b77f73010910030652y50167ee3p6339483864d27593@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC9A8A1.5080706@gmx.net> <20091005162747.GA520@roque.1407.org>
Message-ID: <20091016213816.GB10037@roque.1407.org>

As an added info, I've just hit the pink line of death *without* omnewrotate
running in the background (it would wreack havok with omneon and horizontal
images... like comic strips...

On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 05:27:47PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> It's not omnewrotate. If you're lucky, using omnewrotate may help
> you recover that screen state.
> 
> All omnewrotate does is infer a position from the accelerometers and
> using the xrandr API to rotate the screen
> 
> http://code.google.com/p/omnewrotate/source/browse/trunk/src/omnewrotate.c#264
> 
> So if you want a culprit you can look at libxrandr, although I'm looking
> quite more seriously at that damned glamo chip.
> 
> As to your last question, just chmod 000 /etc/X11/Xsession.d/*omnewrotate
> 
> Rui
> 
> On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 10:04:49AM +0200, Andreas Fischer wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I've also seen this bug and I've also tracked it down to OMNewRotate. My
> > solution so far was to always disable rotation before going into
> > suspend. Not doing so seems to give a chance of (almost?) 100% failure.
> > Note, that I keep the freerunner strapped in a horizontal position to my
> > belt - so during suspend it will almost certainly be rotated, unless
> > rotate has been switched off.
> > 
> > Interestingly there seems to be a step before the pink line is shown:
> > Sometimes when I boot and do not enter the PIN immediately (but still
> > before suspend), the screen is partly garbled (lower 33% of the screen
> > in portrait mode). After suspend, the pink line shows up.
> > 
> > Listening to the feeling in my gut, I'd say glamo b0rks screen setup
> > when in a rotated position.
> > 
> > Hope this helps to narrow it down. Meanwhile - is there a way to disable
> > OMNewRotate on boot and suspend (i.e. to only enable it manually)?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Andreas
> > 
> > Christ van Willegen wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > Has anyone seen the 'pink line of death' at any time?
> > > 
> > > My FR sometimes does not suspend, but instead shows a black screen
> > > with a pink/purple line at about 33% from the bottom of the screen.
> > > The backlight is fully on. Also, the screen is whining.
> > > 
> > > I haven't been able to reproduce it with a known procedure, but it may
> > > have to do with rotating the phone during suspend.
> > > 
> > > I also haven't had it in this state on such times that it was possible
> > > to SSH into it to see if it was still alive or not.
> > > 
> > > Shall I file a bug report with this meager information?
> > > 
> > > Christ van Willegen
> > > 
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From ccc94453 at vip.cybercity.dk  Sat Oct 17 00:00:05 2009
From: ccc94453 at vip.cybercity.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:00:05 +0200
Subject: fso-abyss docs anywhere? (Was: GSM errors after 1024 fix)
In-Reply-To: <op.u1t8bovw41evsb@mcrkoord.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <1255578289321-3827146.post@n2.nabble.com>
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:48:50PM +0200, arne anka wrote:
> try the other muxer, gsmwhatsitsname, instead.
> to me it seems, fso-abyss has detoriated into almost unusability over the  
> last months.

   How did you ever get it to work in the first place? I noticed the Debian
package appearing and installed it, but never found all of the required
documentation to actually use it:

1) D-bus path.
2) D-bus destination.
3) D-bus this-third-thing-dbus-send-etc-needs-to-know.
4) The interface specification.

[snip]
> after several frameworkd restarts and two reboots i decided to revert to  
> gsmwhtsitsnamemuxer, which seems to work far better

   Where 'far better' means crashes at the slightest provocation (such as
(trying to) ping across a GPRS connection). My only motivation for installing
fso-abyss in the first place was to get multiplexed GPRS working (again - I
think it did work back in December or January). :-(

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From ccc94453 at vip.cybercity.dk  Sat Oct 17 00:24:01 2009
From: ccc94453 at vip.cybercity.dk (Rask Ingemann Lambertsen)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:24:01 +0200
Subject: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:52:04AM +0200, Thomas Franck wrote:

> What I found weird, though, is: I put my old 8GB SD card in the new one
> (I used the 512MB card for the booting tests) and it had a very hard
> time with it (a lot of bad sectors).. now, I put the card the adapter
> and the reader.. and fdisk wouldn't even open the partition table of
> it.. :O

> I could understand data loss on the ext3 partition there, but
> the first few kilos should not have been touched when the battery was
> suddenly "removed"...

   You can't know where your data is placed. It's an SD card, not a flash
disk.

> Has anyone ever had that? I mean that an sdcard get's fubar-ed by a g-shock?

   At least in my FR, the battery sits loose enough in the battery
compartment that it does not maintain contact with the battery connector
when dropped 1.4 m onto gravel. Thus if the SD card might get fubared by
sudden removal of power, it might also get fubared by a g-shock.

> Very strange.. :S  anyway, I'll try to boot some more the the 512MB
> card.. is there a way to tell whether the FR is booting from the SD
> compared to the NAND? can I erase the NAND rootfs somehow?

   IIRC:

# flash_eraseall /dev/mtd6

(Check your /proc/partitions - you wan't the largest one.)

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From undrwater at verizon.net  Sat Oct 17 00:32:13 2009
From: undrwater at verizon.net (undrwater)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:32:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: QSuunto-Lite new version - divers and non-divers wanted
In-Reply-To: <200909221430.31485.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
References: <200908122234.33205.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
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Christian R?b wrote:
> 
> ...these are different protocols, see here [1]. 
> 

I've seen those before...but they mention that d9 fails?


> But you might want to look at divetools-ab (vyperlink.c) [2] sources and
> just rewrite the parts, so it suits the D9 protocol. 
> 
I tried to figure this out, but I'm such a beginner it will take me a while
to figure out where everything is happening  in vyperlink.c and the sources
for the below.  I'll continue to look at it, but I hope you can get to it
soon!  


> On the other hand you can experiment with libdc [3] yourself writing a
> testapp to try the basics - there are already some basic examples in the
> sources.
> 
I compiled libdc and ran the d9 test dump app which resulted in success for
memory dump as well as sdm dump (I assume the database format?).  This gives
me hope that we can retrieve the profile!

BTW, I've also let the folks at jdivelog know about divesoftware.org and the
libs.

Russell Dwiggins
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From mickey at vanille-media.de  Sat Oct 17 01:38:49 2009
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:38:49 +0200
Subject: fso-abyss docs anywhere? (Was: GSM errors after 1024 fix)
In-Reply-To: <20091016220005.GB8873@vip.cybercity.dk>
References: <1255578289321-3827146.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <200910170138.49424.mickey@vanille-media.de>

http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Implementations/fso-abyss.

:M:


From alishams at interchange.ubc.ca  Sat Oct 17 03:07:59 2009
From: alishams at interchange.ubc.ca (Ali)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:07:59 -0700
Subject: Sync Calendar with evolution
Message-ID: <1255741679.30509.138.camel@localhost>

Hi, is anyone working on an opensync plugin for qtmoko? I'm really
starting to miss the ability to sync my calendar automatically- and I
love qtmoko. I guess I could install evolution on the phone but that's
way overkill and will p