Forking TangoGPS (was: tangoGPS community development, patches)
yorickmoko at gmail.com
Wed Apr 14 08:51:38 CEST 2010
best of luck!
i'll try to contribute where I can
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak <seba.dos1 at gmail.com
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 16:05, Joshua Judson Rosen <rozzin at geekspace.com>
> > "arne anka" <openmoko at ginguppin.de> writes:
> >> you are definitely off topic.
> >> this list is neither to insult others at your pleasure nor to discuss
> >> issues with your project or ego.
> > Arne,
> > You're right. So, please forgive the length of this post:
> >> those entirely tangogps related mails are filling up my account and have
> >> nothing to do with openmoko.
> >> please, stop abusing other projects infrastructure for your personal
> > I really hadn't intended this to get this crazy, when I posted
> > asking Marcus what facilities were available to keep up what he's
> > doing upstream and to communicate with the rest of the
> > tangoGPS-hacking community.
> > When I asked those questions, they were intended to be quick and easy
> > to answer--and the expected quick exchange was indeed relevant to the
> > Openmoko community, since there are so many people here who have been
> > using and hacking on tangoGPS (or at least trying to).
> > But it's devolved into high-traffic tiff with upstream just calling
> > people names, and everyone else sharing their *frustrations*.
> > I don't know if Marcus has actually *watched* (or at least listened to)
> > that video that he referenced earlier in the thread (in message-ID
> > <20100106111153.776db6ff at acer>, if anyone actually wants to go re-read
> > the whole discussion in gmane or something):
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSFDm3UYkeE
> > ... but we all should watch it--it's pretty good.
> > As they say, the community mailing-list isn't a group therapy session.
> > It's clear that we're not getting anywhere, anyway.
> > So, here goes: I'm forking tangoGPS.
> > And this doesn't make me a `poisonous person'. This fork is being done
> > with all possible respect, and I do still hope that it will be on the
> > best possible terms--perhaps like when EGCS forked from GCC, or when
> > people `fork' the Linux kernel to work on new subsystems: a good-natured
> > fork to do more `experimental' exploration that may not be immediately
> > possible or appropriate for Marcus in tangoGPS. Marcus will be free to
> > incorporate whatever work we do on this new fork into future releases
> > of tangoGPS, if he likes--on whatever timeline he likes; he'll also
> > be free to ignore the parts that he doesn't like. As will everyone else.
> > We're going to have a go at integrating libgps, for example.
> > I'm going to try to do my best to provide a sense of leadership and
> > direction on this new project (let's call it "foxtrotGPS"--I'm sure we
> > can find many reasons for that name; I already have a slew of my own :)),
> > and to be responsive when people submit patches for review (and hopefully
> > inclusion). Even for people whose patches don't go upstream, we'll have
> > a Bazaar VCS repository that you can use to keep track of what we're
> > doing upstream and help maintain your patches (branches) going forward.
> > If anyone's interested in relevant public discussion on foxtrotGPS,
> > we have the foss-gps mailing list hosted by the folks at OSGeo:
> > http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS-GPS
> > Thank you, Risto, for asking them create it :)
> > Marcus: if you would like to talk about why I feel the need to fork
> > your project and am proceeding despite my afore-mentioned reluctance--
> > and what, if anything, it means to you--we can talk about that privately.
> > Let me know, and I'll give you my telephone-number--e-mail just doesn't
> > seem to have enough bandwidth for us; I'd *really* prefer if we could
> > keep things cordial and professional between our two projects.
> > So, here we go. It'll be an adventure.
> > We can dance if we want to.
> > I know some people are probably going to be very excited by this news,
> > but it takes a couple of days to get a fork properly bootstrapped--
> > it's not *just* `run through the codebase and change names' :)
> > So please be patient, let your passions cool a *little* bit,
> > and there will be something to show this weekend.
> > Thank you, all.
> > (And thank you, Marcus, especially!)
> > -rozzin.
> > --
> > "Don't be afraid to ask (λf.((λx.xx) (λr.f(rr))))."
> Thanks, I was waiting for that since start of that discussion. If I
> were more interested in GPS apps, then I would do that myself ;) But
> doing something I won't be able to continue just to show something to
> someone would be a non-sense.
> Code available in some decent version control system is a must have to
> me when I'm contributing to some project, and in my opinion not having
> such SCM is good reason to fork.
> I wish both of projects good, as I like TangoGPS, but I don't like
> fact, that it doesn't have any public SCM available for read only
> access. I hope everything from FoxtrotGPS that can be merged into
> TangoGPS will be merged, and thanks to that both projects will become
> Forks can be both positive and negative, it all depends on people.
> Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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