From desnotes at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 01:54:18 2010 From: desnotes at gmail.com (Michael Fisher) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:54:18 -0500 Subject: OpenBSD Port Message-ID: <3461d5201001311654k791fe4d5tf116a51b76302140@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone tried the OpenBSD port for the FreeRunner? I've not seen it mentioned here on the list but the following was added for their OpenBSD 4.5 release: -Initial ports to the xscale based gumstix platform and the ARM based OpenMoko TIA, Mike Michael Fisher desNotes at gmail.com open source journeyman - http://desnotesdev.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100131/8f19a850/attachment.htm From cchandel at yahoo.com Mon Feb 1 02:50:09 2010 From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:50:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: elm_browser NEW release 15 Jan In-Reply-To: <20100131175126.0533c4c2@vanek.robe.cz> References: <201001132123.59097.neo@el-hennig.de> <1263435497718-4390243.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100114082610.17d92025@vanek.robe.cz> <1263456027371-4391242.post@n2.nabble.com> <1263491466223-4394197.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100114210422.09b2a60a@vanek.robe.cz> <1263516780125-4396406.post@n2.nabble.com> <1263546848074-4397665.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100131175126.0533c4c2@vanek.robe.cz> Message-ID: <1264989009470-4492067.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Petr Vanek wrote: > > ..one has to do the following taps: > menu->page->page->reload > It's to do with the menu in elementary. Would moving reload back to the main menu help? Petr Vanek wrote: > > other then then (in the scope of fixability, i.e. combo lists are not > working, but this is probably *libwebkit issue) it's working great. > That's an issue with the default.edj that comes with libewebkit0. Maybe someone with edje experience can help. Petr Vanek wrote: > > finger scrolling is good, except one issue - if there is an image in the > way, it gets selected which slow the browser down a great deal. not sure > what to do about that... > Hmm, This selection bit is a little ugly. Unfortunately, I can't seem to access the webkit settings part through libewebkit. Maybe selection could be switched off - since we're not really looking at saving parts of the page at this stage. Vladimir Berezenko wrote: > > Both ventura and elm-eve both shows black window with small overlapped > images in the left upper corner in SHR unstable latest. > That seems to be a problem with some EFL/elementary programs. I believe something has changed upstream with EFL. A complete rebuild might help - but doesn't fix things for me for quite a few programs. Should get fixed soon though. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Ventura-browser-NEW-release-15-Jan-tp4357081p4492067.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From alishams at interchange.ubc.ca Mon Feb 1 05:43:10 2010 From: alishams at interchange.ubc.ca (Alishams Hassam) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:43:10 -0800 Subject: Investigation of failure to report received SMS In-Reply-To: <18454_1264967099_1264967099_49dd78621001311144h5caa38fcy85118e27b747941b@mail.gmail.com> References: <49dd78621001291630i4c687af0h4a1dbbea7d382aed@mail.gmail.com> <84d40rg9rk.fsf@sauna.l.org> <49dd78621001300348n59d592d4wf038bff5cee6eae0@mail.gmail.com> <18454_1264967099_1264967099_49dd78621001311144h5caa38fcy85118e27b747941b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1264999390.30097.3.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2010-01-31 at 19:44 +0000, Neil Jerram wrote: > So far no recurrences with frameworkd log level set to DEBUG. (And I > have received several messages.) So maybe this is a heisenbug, of the > kind that disappears when frameworkd runs more slowly. > > Regards, > Neil Using qtmoko and the latest kernel (with the "speedups") I do recieve txt messages regulary, but after a day sometimes 2 of being on they stop comming. I used to experience the same thing on SHR, dissapearing txt messages only after an uptime of 24 hours +. I would say leave your phone on for at least 3 days and see if you still recieve SMS's. From hans at everlasting.be Mon Feb 1 09:04:50 2010 From: hans at everlasting.be (Hans Zimmerman) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 09:04:50 +0100 Subject: OpenBSD Port In-Reply-To: <3461d5201001311654k791fe4d5tf116a51b76302140@mail.gmail.com> References: <3461d5201001311654k791fe4d5tf116a51b76302140@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B668B22.7040902@everlasting.be> Michael Fisher wrote: > Has anyone tried the OpenBSD port for the FreeRunner? I've not seen it > mentioned here on the list but the following was added for their OpenBSD 4.5 > release: > > -Initial ports to the xscale based gumstix platform and the ARM based > OpenMoko > > TIA, > > Mike > > > Michael Fisher > desNotes at gmail.com > open source journeyman - http://desnotesdev.blogspot.com/ You could mail drahn about it. I'm sure you have bro the following: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenBSD http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/arch/moko/ http://openmoko.kd85.com/ (dmesg) Hans From neo at el-hennig.de Mon Feb 1 09:06:48 2010 From: neo at el-hennig.de (neo at el-hennig.de) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 09:06:48 +0100 (MET) Subject: OpenZim does not work with recebt SHR-U any more Message-ID: <201002010806.o1186m4K013049@post.webmailer.de> Hi all, unfortunately Marc Bantle's build of zimreader for openmoko does not work anymore on the latest SHR-U. As this is the best wikipedia offline reader I used so far (especially because of the fulltext index), I would really appreciate it, if somebody could rebuild it and maybe package it as well. I also added a pakage reuqest to SHR trac; see http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/864 -- neo at el-hennig.de Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology: There's always one more bug. From psonek2 at seznam.cz Mon Feb 1 10:37:48 2010 From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:37:48 +0100 Subject: QtMoko webkit related crash in v16 and multiplexing In-Reply-To: <1264951255.3328.6.camel@zickzack-laptop> References: <1264951255.3328.6.camel@zickzack-laptop> Message-ID: <201002011037.48696.psonek2@seznam.cz> On Sunday 31 January 2010 16:20:55 gerald mwangi wrote: > Hi guys, have those of you using QtMoko on FR experienced crashes of > Arora and Webbrowser with the entry "QWebInspector: Webkit crashing is known problem caused probably by something wrong in QT 4.6 I will do new release soon based on older but more stable QT 4.5.3 which should work much better with webkit. > QSettings couldn't > read configuration setting [resourceTrackingEnabled]" in the log? How > can I resolve this? Strange, maybe this is not related to webkit. Searching source code would be needed to check what it means. > Secondly, multiplexing still doesn't work after enabling it in > Modem.conf in v16. You can check if it is really enabled. If you enable logging for modem stuff it should tell you if it is really enabled during modem initialization. But even when enabled multiplexing was working only half way for me. IIRC i could receive call during GPRS session but i couldnt make one. But for next release multiplexing will be enabled by default, because if it's disabled it causes strange problems for me (not showing some contacts on SIM). > Thanks for your replies in advance, > Gerald Thanks for writing too. Btw next release should be quite soon - i just need to find a few free hours to do it. I have also workaround that could help with missed SMS problems. Regards Radek From neiljerram at googlemail.com Mon Feb 1 11:19:49 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:19:49 +0000 Subject: Investigation of failure to report received SMS In-Reply-To: <1264999390.30097.3.camel@localhost> References: <49dd78621001291630i4c687af0h4a1dbbea7d382aed@mail.gmail.com> <84d40rg9rk.fsf@sauna.l.org> <49dd78621001300348n59d592d4wf038bff5cee6eae0@mail.gmail.com> <18454_1264967099_1264967099_49dd78621001311144h5caa38fcy85118e27b747941b@mail.gmail.com> <1264999390.30097.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <49dd78621002010219g54765938h84f60130f0e04321@mail.gmail.com> On 1 February 2010 04:43, Alishams Hassam wrote: > On Sun, 2010-01-31 at 19:44 +0000, Neil Jerram wrote: >> So far no recurrences with frameworkd log level set to DEBUG. ?(And I >> have received several messages.) ?So maybe this is a heisenbug, of the >> kind that disappears when frameworkd runs more slowly. >> >> Regards, >> ? ? ? ? ? Neil > Using qtmoko and the latest kernel (with the "speedups") I do recieve > txt messages regulary, but after a day sometimes 2 of being on they stop > comming. I used to experience the same thing on SHR, dissapearing txt > messages only after an uptime of 24 hours +. I would say leave your > phone on for at least 3 days and see if you still recieve SMS's. Does qtmoko use FSO? I thought it didn't. My current (admittedly pretty weak) guess is that this is an FSO frameworkd bug - in which case it would have to be different from the QtMoko one. Also SHR - and I would guess qtmoko - suspends and resumes correctly, and there is a different open issue about not receiving SMSs after a suspend. For that issue, investigation so far indicates something unexpected about the AT string from the modem, which means that the root cause of _that_ problem could be the same for FSO and QtMoko. It is possible that the cause of my problem - missing SMSs _without_ any previous suspend - could be the same, but we don't yet have logs including the AT traffic that could confirm or deny that. Regards, Neil From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 1 11:26:32 2010 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:26:32 +0000 Subject: Bluetooth fail (poll?) In-Reply-To: <1264307871.4b5bce9f90860@ssl.mecca.ca> References: <1264307871.4b5bce9f90860@ssl.mecca.ca> Message-ID: <201002011026.32964.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Sunday 24 January 2010, Ian Stephen wrote: > The jurisdiction where I reside recently implemented a law banning handheld > devices while driving. I bought a Jabra BT125 because someone reported > success with it and the Freerunner. I've gone over the SHR manual web > page and the manually using bluetooth page and everything else Google > could find with both SHR Unstable and SHR Testing. Finally bought a > Motorola phone and have set aside the Freerunner for now. :-( > > I've never used bluetooth before, but it seems the Freerunner (GTA02) pairs > with either the Jabra or with my truck's Sync, but does not connect. The > headset beeps twice and exits its pairing mode, but does not make another > beep that it does make when I pair it with my Motorola phone. The truck > saves om-gta02, but does not say it is connected to the phone as it does > when I pair it with the Motorola. In either case the Freerunner says "New > device > (/org/bluez/xxxx/hci0/dev_xx_xx_xx_xx_xx_xx)" (not really x's of course). > > I am wondering if only a few people have got bluetooth to work with > headsets for GSM calls while lots of us lose sleep over it, or have most > got it going and I'm just missing something? Under shr-u A2DP works well. Phone calls worked fine last time I tried, but the process for changing between headset and handset use was cumbersome (edit config file and restart frameworkd iirc) From gerald.mwangi at gmx.de Mon Feb 1 11:30:13 2010 From: gerald.mwangi at gmx.de (gerald mwangi) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 11:30:13 +0100 Subject: QtMoko webkit related crash in v16 and multiplexing In-Reply-To: <201002011037.48696.psonek2@seznam.cz> References: <1264951255.3328.6.camel@zickzack-laptop> <201002011037.48696.psonek2@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <1265020213.4144.18.camel@zickzack-laptop> Hi radek, thanx for the reply. Is there an easy way to substitute Qt 4.6 with 4.5.3 in the current version? Gerald On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 10:37 +0100, Radek Polak wrote: > On Sunday 31 January 2010 16:20:55 gerald mwangi wrote: > > > Hi guys, have those of you using QtMoko on FR experienced crashes of > > Arora and Webbrowser with the entry "QWebInspector: > > Webkit crashing is known problem caused probably by something wrong in QT 4.6 > I will do new release soon based on older but more stable QT 4.5.3 which > should work much better with webkit. > > > QSettings couldn't > > read configuration setting [resourceTrackingEnabled]" in the log? How > > can I resolve this? > > Strange, maybe this is not related to webkit. Searching source code would be > needed to check what it means. > > > Secondly, multiplexing still doesn't work after enabling it in > > Modem.conf in v16. > > You can check if it is really enabled. If you enable logging for modem stuff it > should tell you if it is really enabled during modem initialization. > > But even when enabled multiplexing was working only half way for me. IIRC i > could receive call during GPRS session but i couldnt make one. > > But for next release multiplexing will be enabled by default, because if it's > disabled it causes strange problems for me (not showing some contacts on SIM). > > > Thanks for your replies in advance, > > Gerald > > > Thanks for writing too. Btw next release should be quite soon - i just need to > find a few free hours to do it. I have also workaround that could help with > missed SMS problems. > > Regards > > Radek > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100201/171742fc/attachment.htm From psonek2 at seznam.cz Mon Feb 1 12:40:30 2010 From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:40:30 +0100 Subject: QtMoko webkit related crash in v16 and multiplexing In-Reply-To: <1265020213.4144.18.camel@zickzack-laptop> References: <1264951255.3328.6.camel@zickzack-laptop> <201002011037.48696.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265020213.4144.18.camel@zickzack-laptop> Message-ID: <201002011240.30814.psonek2@seznam.cz> On Monday 01 February 2010 11:30:13 gerald mwangi wrote: > Hi radek, thanx for the reply. Is there an easy way to substitute Qt 4.6 > with 4.5.3 in the current version? > Gerald Probably compiling from sources. Regards Radek From ghislain at basetrend.nl Mon Feb 1 13:07:25 2010 From: ghislain at basetrend.nl (ghislain) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 04:07:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: QtMoko webkit related crash in v16 and multiplexing In-Reply-To: <201002011240.30814.psonek2@seznam.cz> References: <1264951255.3328.6.camel@zickzack-laptop> <201002011037.48696.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265020213.4144.18.camel@zickzack-laptop> <201002011240.30814.psonek2@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <1265026045691-4493975.post@n2.nabble.com> But you can also try the latest build I have made from Radeks code. You can find a new installer-image here: http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qtm16c QtMoko V16C This, of course, is the latest build I've made, but I did not release because Radek is still working on the code. I was waiting on Radeks V17 release. I don't know if there are any issues with this release, but using it is knowing it :) Regards, Ghislain http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/QtMoko-webkit-related-crash-in-v16-and-multiplexing-tp4489671p4493975.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gerald.mwangi at gmx.de Mon Feb 1 15:07:00 2010 From: gerald.mwangi at gmx.de (gerald mwangi) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:07:00 +0100 Subject: QtMoko webkit related crash in v16 and multiplexing In-Reply-To: <1265026045691-4493975.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1264951255.3328.6.camel@zickzack-laptop> <201002011037.48696.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265020213.4144.18.camel@zickzack-laptop> <201002011240.30814.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265026045691-4493975.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1265033220.4144.130.camel@zickzack-laptop> Thanx, I'll give it a shot Gerald On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 04:07 -0800, ghislain wrote: > But you can also try the latest build I have made from Radeks code. > You can find a new installer-image here: > http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qtm16c QtMoko V16C > > This, of course, is the latest build I've made, but I did not release > because Radek is still working on the code. I was waiting on Radeks V17 > release. 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URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100201/70f145eb/attachment.htm From hersche at puzzle.ch Mon Feb 1 15:18:59 2010 From: hersche at puzzle.ch (Vinzenz Hersche) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 15:18:59 +0100 Subject: [alternative to gta-02] flow g1.5 released Message-ID: <201002011518.59801.hersche@puzzle.ch> Hello all, i just want to inform - gizmo for you released a whole phone with a g3-modem. http://www.gizmoforyou.net/site/component/content/article/11-gizmos/191-flow- g15-is-here.html it use a faster processor, contains a cam and so on.. and it's possible to debug and change hw-modules (like the openmoko) :) hope, some peoble could use that info.. :) greets From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 17:03:29 2010 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 08:03:29 -0800 Subject: [alternative to gta-02] flow g1.5 released In-Reply-To: <201002011518.59801.hersche@puzzle.ch> References: <201002011518.59801.hersche@puzzle.ch> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 6:18 AM, Vinzenz Hersche wrote: > Hello all, > > i just want to inform - gizmo for you released a whole phone with a g3-modem. > > http://www.gizmoforyou.net/site/component/content/article/11-gizmos/191-flow- > g15-is-here.html > > it use a faster processor, contains a cam and so on.. and it's possible to > debug and change hw-modules (like the openmoko) :) yikes! thats just... just a *bit* more expensive... From christian.rueb at gmx.net Mon Feb 1 20:01:01 2010 From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-1?q?R=FCb?=) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 20:01:01 +0100 Subject: QGPSLog to be released In-Reply-To: <201001262119.53129.christian.rueb@gmx.net> References: <201001262119.53129.christian.rueb@gmx.net> Message-ID: <201002012001.01979.christian.rueb@gmx.net> On Tuesday, 26. January 2010 I wrote: > Hi, > > I wrote a GPS logging GUI that uses FSO for GPS and power control. It's simple and never supposed to get a map. > My main target was to do track logging (start,stop,split) and be avoid supsend when logging. You can specify a minimum battery capacity needed to log (otherwise it will stop logging). > > You can find an ipk here [1], source here [2] and screenshot here [3]. There is also a wiki page [4]. > > Please report bugs - otherwise this version will become 0.2 (0.1 was only used by me ;-)). > > Cheers, > Christian > > [1] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-new-unstable/qgpslog_0.1.99-r0.4_armv4t.ipk > [2] http://git.senfdax.de/?p=qgpslog;a=summary > [3] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/screenshots/QGPSLog.png > [4] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QGPSLog You can get version 0.2 from there and maybe soon from SHR directly. Thanks everyone for your feedback. Christian From csynt8bit at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 20:52:01 2010 From: csynt8bit at gmail.com (xChris) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:52:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: how can I check the 1024 bug-fix? Message-ID: <1265053921217-4496461.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi. I managed to do the fix of the 1024 bug (not too difficult, only the removal of the GSM shield was a bit... aarghhh) Thanx guys for the info on how to do this (esp the the web page : http://neofundas.blogspot.com/) Anyway, now I am running the KaZeR's script but there is no output, is it 'normal' ? I could see some output before the fix.. Thanx Chris -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/how-can-I-check-the-1024-bug-fix-tp4496461p4496461.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Mon Feb 1 21:25:43 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:25:43 +0200 Subject: how can I check the 1024 bug-fix? In-Reply-To: <1265053921217-4496461.post@n2.nabble.com> (xChris's message of "Mon\, 1 Feb 2010 11\:52\:01 -0800 \(PST\)") References: <1265053921217-4496461.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <84hbq0hfeg.fsf@sauna.l.org> xChris writes: > Anyway, now I am running the KaZeR's script but there is no output, is it > 'normal' ? > I could see some output before the fix.. Where's the script? From csynt8bit at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 21:45:21 2010 From: csynt8bit at gmail.com (xChris) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:45:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: how can I check the 1024 bug-fix? In-Reply-To: <84hbq0hfeg.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <1265053921217-4496461.post@n2.nabble.com> <84hbq0hfeg.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <1265057121617-4496786.post@n2.nabble.com> this.. ------------------------ #!/usr/bin/python import dbus import dbus.glib import gobject import datetime def onNetworkStatus(status ): print '[%s] Signal : cid=%s, lac=%s' % (datetime.datetime.now(),status['cid'],status['lac'] ) bus = dbus.SystemBus(); bus.add_signal_receiver( onNetworkStatus, "Status", "org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network", "org.freesmartphone.ogsmd", "/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device" ) gobject.threads_init() dbus.glib.init_threads() main_loop = gobject.MainLoop() main_loop.run() ------------------ thx chris -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/how-can-I-check-the-1024-bug-fix-tp4496461p4496786.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From martin.jansa at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 21:48:51 2010 From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:48:51 +0100 Subject: how can I check the 1024 bug-fix? In-Reply-To: <1265057121617-4496786.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1265053921217-4496461.post@n2.nabble.com> <84hbq0hfeg.fsf@sauna.l.org> <1265057121617-4496786.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20100201204851.GB3401@jama> On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 12:45:21PM -0800, xChris wrote: > > this.. Here is also some description how to check that http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=1024-Rework -- uin:136542059 jid:Martin.Jansa at gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jamasip at voip.wengo.fr JaMa From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 01:23:27 2010 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 16:23:27 -0800 Subject: [freerunner] compatible battery that supports charge info Message-ID: im going to be looking for a new battery shortly. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery Compatible Replacement Batteries lists that none of the nokia batteries support charge info. is this information still up to date? are there any other 3rd party batteries that are fully supported? From ben at abcom.co.nz Tue Feb 2 04:58:46 2010 From: ben at abcom.co.nz (Ben Wilson) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:58:46 +1300 Subject: [freerunner] compatible battery that supports charge info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B67A2F6.6030004@abcom.co.nz> Openmoko sell spares packs, in case you weren't aware, come with two batteries. http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/spares-pack Ben. On 2/02/2010 1:23 p.m., jeremy jozwik wrote: > im going to be looking for a new battery shortly. > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery Compatible > Replacement Batteries > lists that none of the nokia batteries support charge info. is this > information still up to date? > > are there any other 3rd party batteries that are fully supported? > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2662 - Release Date: 02/02/10 01:37:00 > > From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 05:05:08 2010 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 20:05:08 -0800 Subject: [freerunner] compatible battery that supports charge info In-Reply-To: <4B67A2F6.6030004@abcom.co.nz> References: <4B67A2F6.6030004@abcom.co.nz> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Ben Wilson wrote: > Openmoko sell spares packs, in case you weren't aware, come with two interesting to know. i was unaware of that. but... im looking to cash-in with my near future trip to golden computer center and was looking to find a nice cheap openmoko-compatible battery. so while this is good information. its not really the information i was looking for. From martin.jansa at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 11:07:52 2010 From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 11:07:52 +0100 Subject: External blkid library not found In-Reply-To: References: <201001210956.03017.ml@vdm-design.de> <201001211017.51480.ml@vdm-design.de> <20100121092341.GA30938@jama> <20100121093816.GB30938@jama> Message-ID: <20100202100752.GG3401@jama> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:59:36PM -0500, Vaudano Luca wrote: > I saw the difference between the bitbake command and the command line command. > From bitbake > "arm-oe-linux-gnueabi-pkg-config... > /mnt/shr/shr-testing/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/bin/pkg-config" > from the command line (after the setup-env) > "checking for arm-oe-linux-gnueabi-pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config", > which is the correct one? > and what can I do? The 2nd probably returns paths to your buildhost instead to staging where are the right versions. Yesterday I had problem while building angstrom that hal was depending on blkid >= 2.13 which is not provided with ext2fsprogs but only as part of util-linux-ng. So double check config.log, maybe it's only complaining about wrong version (with unclear error message). Cheers, -- uin:136542059 jid:Martin.Jansa at gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jamasip at voip.wengo.fr JaMa From martin.jansa at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 11:10:52 2010 From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 11:10:52 +0100 Subject: Touchscreen calibration with evdev In-Reply-To: <1263816531478-4413295.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1263816531478-4413295.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20100202101052.GH3401@jama> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 04:08:51AM -0800, Mike Crash wrote: > > I have upgraded my Debian system on GTA02 and found, that the new udev is not > compatible with current kernel in Debian. So I have compiled andy kernel and > also upgraded the X.org server with new version. All works fine, but I have > found, that new X is not using tslib, it loads simply evdev for touchscreen: > > But the calibration is gone and I don't know, how to calibrate it. At least > X and Y axis are reversed. I have tried this in xorg.conf, but it doesn't > help (it seems the section was not recognized): > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Configured Touchscreen" > Driver "evdev" > Option "Device" "/dev/input/event1" > Option "AbsoluteScreen" "0" > Option "XAbsoluteAxisMap" "1" > Option "YAbsoluteAxisMap" "0" > EndSection > > Does anybody know, how to calibrate the screen? Also check new xinput-calibrator, now used in SHR too (after that kernel pre-calibration). -- uin:136542059 jid:Martin.Jansa at gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jamasip at voip.wengo.fr JaMa From fercerpav at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 11:22:53 2010 From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 13:22:53 +0300 Subject: [freerunner] compatible battery that supports charge info In-Reply-To: (jeremy jozwik's message of "Mon\, 1 Feb 2010 20\:05\:08 -0800") References: <4B67A2F6.6030004@abcom.co.nz> Message-ID: jeremy jozwik writes: > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Ben Wilson wrote: >> Openmoko sell spares packs, in case you weren't aware, come with two > > interesting to know. i was unaware of that. > > but... im looking to cash-in with my near future trip to golden > computer center and was looking to find a nice cheap > openmoko-compatible battery. Please read Battery Questions and Answers at OM wiki, it has correct and up-to-date info wrt freerunner-compatible batteries. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com From vaudano at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 11:28:42 2010 From: vaudano at gmail.com (Vaudano Luca) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 11:28:42 +0100 Subject: External blkid library not found In-Reply-To: <20100202100752.GG3401@jama> References: <201001211017.51480.ml@vdm-design.de> <20100121092341.GA30938@jama> <20100121093816.GB30938@jama> <20100202100752.GG3401@jama> Message-ID: Yes, I think that it was a program version problem because I tried to compile on a Debian Lenny machine. Now I made my toolchain on Ubuntu Karmic and everything works like a charm. Thanks From tonyberth at googlemail.com Tue Feb 2 12:05:18 2010 From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 12:05:18 +0100 Subject: projects.openmoko.org Message-ID: <3494db261002020305u6eb1756ft714adc566d524d7f@mail.gmail.com> is projects.openmoko.org dead? Thanks Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100202/e18c211b/attachment.htm From fdvjoif at vodafone.it Tue Feb 2 13:08:33 2010 From: fdvjoif at vodafone.it (Joif) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 04:08:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: QtMoko webkit related crash in v16 and multiplexing In-Reply-To: <1265026045691-4493975.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1264951255.3328.6.camel@zickzack-laptop> <201002011037.48696.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265020213.4144.18.camel@zickzack-laptop> <201002011240.30814.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265026045691-4493975.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1265112513564-4500418.post@n2.nabble.com> ghislain wrote: > > But you can also try the latest build I have made from Radeks code. > You can find a new installer-image here: > http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qtm16c QtMoko V16C > > This, of course, is the latest build I've made, but I did not release > because Radek is still working on the code. I was waiting on Radeks V17 > release. I don't know if there are any issues with this release, but using > it is knowing it :) > > Regards, > Ghislain > http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl > openmobile.nl > Hi! I'm testing v16c and I have to say that I noted an improvement in performance. Boot and applications seem to me faster and also I have no more error in sending long sms (sms of over 2 pages) but receiving a long sms still remain a problem because I do not receive not even part of it. But however it is a good work! :) Ah, this version is available only in English? It is not a problem but I noted that in the settings there is only English and not the other languages like in the previous version. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/QtMoko-webkit-related-crash-in-v16-and-multiplexing-tp4489671p4500418.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From openmoko at ginguppin.de Tue Feb 2 13:09:01 2010 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 13:09:01 +0100 Subject: [debian/fso] autosuspend does not work anymore In-Reply-To: References: <1264617782711-4468955.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: update to whom it may concern: same issue today (no lock screen, no suspend). on a completely unrelated note i started zhone -- eh voila, everything back to normal. not sure, what zhoen triggers, but it looks to me like some communication failure between pfonefsod and fso now. From openmoko at brain-dump.org Tue Feb 2 13:17:42 2010 From: openmoko at brain-dump.org (openmoko at brain-dump.org) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 13:17:42 +0100 Subject: git.openmoko.org was: projects.openmoko.org Message-ID: <12909.1265113062@brain-dump.org> On Tue 02/02/10 12:05 , Tony Berth tonyberth at googlemail.com sent: > is projects.openmoko.org [1] dead? git.openmoko.org also seems to be down... Marc From csynt8bit at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 13:22:34 2010 From: csynt8bit at gmail.com (xChris) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 04:22:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: how can I check the 1024 bug-fix? In-Reply-To: <20100201204851.GB3401@jama> References: <1265053921217-4496461.post@n2.nabble.com> <84hbq0hfeg.fsf@sauna.l.org> <1265057121617-4496786.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100201204851.GB3401@jama> Message-ID: <1265113354743-4500479.post@n2.nabble.com> hi, thank you! that info worked for me, it seems that i did ok the fix! chris -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/how-can-I-check-the-1024-bug-fix-tp4496461p4500479.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com Tue Feb 2 15:31:50 2010 From: nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com (Niels Heyvaert) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:31:50 +0000 Subject: Android on Freerunner: v0.2 RC1 released Message-ID: Hi there, With FOSDEM 2010 coming up, we thought it was the right timing for releasing a new stable version of Android on Freerunner. There have been many changes since our initial release: - kernel speedups (no debug and no preempt) - more stable Wifi, GPS and GPRS - Dynamic CPU frequency scaling - numerous other bug fixes and improvements For those who are interested to learn what has changed, the full commit list can be found here: http://serdar-dere.net/~serdar/cupcake.txt Grab you copy directly from the download section on http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/ and give it a try. As always, you can post your findings on the mailing list (http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner) or report issues on the Wiki. To mitigate a security risk with ADB, the ADB shell has been disabled by default in this release. You can enable it manually. Kind Regards, Niels. -- Microsoft gives you windows, Linux gives you the whole house. _________________________________________________________________ De nieuwe Windows 7: vind de juiste pc voor jou. Meer informatie. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 16:48:36 2010 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 07:48:36 -0800 Subject: [freerunner] compatible battery that supports charge info In-Reply-To: References: <4B67A2F6.6030004@abcom.co.nz> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:22 AM, Paul Fertser wrote: > Please read Battery Questions and Answers at OM wiki, it has correct > and up-to-date info wrt freerunner-compatible batteries. would that be the same link i posted in the first email on this subject? From nkourtellis at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 18:32:30 2010 From: nkourtellis at gmail.com (Nicolas_k) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 09:32:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Selling a barely used Openmoko FreeRunner! Message-ID: <1265131950974-4502189.post@n2.nabble.com> Hello all, I am selling a barely used Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02, A6, GSM900, mint condition (used it for about a week), with the buzz fixed (as in A7), a brand new extra battery, headset, carrying pouch. For more information please check out the entry in the Ebay [http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250572768718&rvr_id=&mfe=sidebar], or contact me via the seller questions for more information. Cheers! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Selling-a-barely-used-Openmoko-FreeRunner-tp4502189p4502189.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From psonek2 at seznam.cz Tue Feb 2 18:45:40 2010 From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:45:40 +0100 Subject: QtMoko webkit related crash in v16 and multiplexing In-Reply-To: <1265112513564-4500418.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1264951255.3328.6.camel@zickzack-laptop> <1265026045691-4493975.post@n2.nabble.com> <1265112513564-4500418.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <201002021845.40776.psonek2@seznam.cz> On Tuesday 02 February 2010 13:08:33 Joif wrote: > receiving a long > sms still remain a problem because I do not receive not even part of it. There is now patch that should display note on homescreen, when modem receives AT command for incomming message, but the SMS application does not show any new SMS. If you click the note (it reads something like "1 debug sms") it will display some info. And after restarting Qt Extended the missed SMS will arrive. I have tested the patch by sending long SMS to myself and i could see missed SMS so i hope it works. The patch can be found in my github repo under patches/sms_debug.patch I will not commit it because it's ugly and temporary solution. I will do release with this patch as soon as i have some time, so maybe Ghislain will do his installer release before me :) Regards Radek From vancel at thespazcat.com Tue Feb 2 18:51:01 2010 From: vancel at thespazcat.com (vancel35) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 09:51:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Navit memory leak In-Reply-To: <84zl3venw9.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <1264788979961-4481548.post@n2.nabble.com> <4B63DCDA.6020101@gmail.com> <848wbfg9pz.fsf@sauna.l.org> <84zl3venw9.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <1265133061334-4502355.post@n2.nabble.com> Update: I did an opkg update & opkg upgrade yesterday, and there were 92 packages that were upgradable. An updated version of Navit was included, and the problem is fixed. $ grep navit pkgs.upgradable.20100201 navit - 1:0.1.0+svnr2902-r5.4.4 - 1:0.1.0+svnr2934-r5.4.4 navit-icons - 0.1.0+svnr2871-r1.4 - 0.1.0+svnr2927-r1.4 The other possibility that I considered is that the display driver may have had a memory leak, and two xserver packages were updated as well: $ grep xserver pkgs.upgradable.20100201 xserver-xorg-conf - 0.1-r18.4 - 0.1-r19.4 xserver-kdrive-common - 0.1-r38.4 - 0.1-r41.4 I don't know if either of those xserver updates have anything to do with the screen buffer. I don't even know if any of these packages actually fixed the problem, but Navit doesn't crash (whatever the cause), and that's what's important. :) Thought there might be someone that's interested in this thread. -Laura -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Navit-memory-leak-tp4481548p4502355.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From martin.jansa at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 19:09:35 2010 From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:09:35 +0100 Subject: Navit memory leak In-Reply-To: <1265133061334-4502355.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1264788979961-4481548.post@n2.nabble.com> <4B63DCDA.6020101@gmail.com> <848wbfg9pz.fsf@sauna.l.org> <84zl3venw9.fsf@sauna.l.org> <1265133061334-4502355.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20100202180935.GK3401@jama> On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 09:51:01AM -0800, vancel35 wrote: > The other possibility that I considered is that the display driver may have > had a memory leak, and two xserver packages were updated as well: > > $ grep xserver pkgs.upgradable.20100201 > xserver-xorg-conf - 0.1-r18.4 - 0.1-r19.4 > xserver-kdrive-common - 0.1-r38.4 - 0.1-r41.4 > > I don't know if either of those xserver updates have anything to do with the > screen buffer. I don't even know if any of these packages actually fixed No nothing to do with buffer.. it's xinput-calibrator in Xsession.d and config for gta01.. > the problem, but Navit doesn't crash (whatever the cause), and that's what's > important. :) but that's always good :) Cheers, -- uin:136542059 jid:Martin.Jansa at gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jamasip at voip.wengo.fr JaMa From kazer at altern.org Tue Feb 2 19:48:15 2010 From: kazer at altern.org (KaZeR) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:48:15 +0100 Subject: Navit memory leak In-Reply-To: <1265133061334-4502355.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1264788979961-4481548.post@n2.nabble.com> <4B63DCDA.6020101@gmail.com> <848wbfg9pz.fsf@sauna.l.org> <84zl3venw9.fsf@sauna.l.org> <1265133061334-4502355.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B68736F.8020503@altern.org> Le 02/02/2010 18:51, vancel35 a ?crit : > Thought there might be someone that's interested in this thread. > It's always interesting to know that an issue has been solved :) Thanks for the report. From om-comm at joshandbianca.net Tue Feb 2 20:32:33 2010 From: om-comm at joshandbianca.net (Josh Thompson) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:32:33 -0500 Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner In-Reply-To: <18286_1264837792_o0U7noLw029794_68da43e01001292348q7d235f74mfa39241981c40c85@mail.gmail.com> References: <4088_1262975145_o08IPhTF006278_68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com> <201001291416.12445.om-comm@joshandbianca.net> <18286_1264837792_o0U7noLw029794_68da43e01001292348q7d235f74mfa39241981c40c85@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <201002021432.33390.om-comm@joshandbianca.net> On Sat January 30 2010 2:48:07 am Timo Jyrinki wrote: > 2010/1/29 Josh Thompson : > > Thanks for providing this kernel. ?I've been very happy with the > > speedups. > > I was happy to be the messenger towards the community list. > > > However, I seem to be missing the usb gadget kernel modules. ?I can't > > seem to find them, and I'd like to be able to use the usb networking and > > mass storage modules. ?Are they available somewhere? ?Are they built in > > and I just don't know how to activate them? > > Most are built-in. In case you took the latest version (with the wlan > problem workaround), the configuration as a whole is available at > http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/moko/kernel_20100108_nodebug_nopreempt/config >-95ca9febb8552953 - including USB gadget drivers that are built in. At least > on my > Debian USB networking works just fine. > > -Timo I just tested this on another computer, and the USB networking worked fine. How do I change it to use the usb_storage gadget instead? Previously, I just rmmoded the g_ether gadget and modprobed the g_file_storage one. Depending on my need, I switch back and forth between these two. Thanks, Josh From fercerpav at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 21:57:34 2010 From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:57:34 +0300 Subject: [freerunner] compatible battery that supports charge info In-Reply-To: (jeremy jozwik's message of "Tue\, 2 Feb 2010 07\:48\:36 -0800") References: <4B67A2F6.6030004@abcom.co.nz> Message-ID: jeremy jozwik writes: > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:22 AM, Paul Fertser wrote: >> Please read Battery Questions and Answers at OM wiki, it has correct >> and up-to-date info wrt freerunner-compatible batteries. > > would that be the same link i posted in the first email on this subject? I think no, it's a separate page called exactly like that. In short, if you get BL-6C, you'll get the maximum capacity and a reasonable estimation of the charge left. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com From ghislain at basetrend.nl Wed Feb 3 00:31:23 2010 From: ghislain at basetrend.nl (ghislain) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:31:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: QtMoko webkit related crash in v16 and multiplexing In-Reply-To: <201002021845.40776.psonek2@seznam.cz> References: <1264951255.3328.6.camel@zickzack-laptop> <201002011037.48696.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265020213.4144.18.camel@zickzack-laptop> <201002011240.30814.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265026045691-4493975.post@n2.nabble.com> <1265112513564-4500418.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002021845.40776.psonek2@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <1265153483687-4504487.post@n2.nabble.com> Ok, i've created an installer-image with the sms-workaround/debugging patches. It can be dowloaded here: http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qtm16d QtMoko V16D Ghislain http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/QtMoko-webkit-related-crash-in-v16-and-multiplexing-tp4489671p4504487.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From alishams at interchange.ubc.ca Wed Feb 3 07:40:37 2010 From: alishams at interchange.ubc.ca (Alishams Hassam) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:40:37 -0800 Subject: QtMoko webkit related crash in v16 and multiplexing In-Reply-To: <2934_1265153517_1265153517_1265153483687-4504487.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1264951255.3328.6.camel@zickzack-laptop> <201002011037.48696.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265020213.4144.18.camel@zickzack-laptop> <201002011240.30814.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265026045691-4493975.post@n2.nabble.com> <1265112513564-4500418.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002021845.40776.psonek2@seznam.cz> <2934_1265153517_1265153517_1265153483687-4504487.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1265179237.16562.9.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 15:31 -0800, ghislain wrote: > Ok, i've created an installer-image with the sms-workaround/debugging > patches. > It can be dowloaded here: > http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qtm16d QtMoko V16D > > Ghislain > http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl Hi, would it be possible to also release a jffs2 and/or tar.gz? Or let me know how to convert the .img to one? It's just *so* much easier for me to manually flash to nand. From ghislain at basetrend.nl Wed Feb 3 09:14:47 2010 From: ghislain at basetrend.nl (ghislain) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 00:14:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: QtMoko webkit related crash in v16 and multiplexing In-Reply-To: <1265179237.16562.9.camel@localhost> References: <1264951255.3328.6.camel@zickzack-laptop> <201002011037.48696.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265020213.4144.18.camel@zickzack-laptop> <201002011240.30814.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265026045691-4493975.post@n2.nabble.com> <1265112513564-4500418.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002021845.40776.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265179237.16562.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1265184887420-4506001.post@n2.nabble.com> You can just dfu-util the 'kernel.img' and the 'rootfs.img', there is no conversion needed. Ghislain http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/QtMoko-webkit-related-crash-in-v16-and-multiplexing-tp4489671p4506001.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gerald.mwangi at gmx.de Wed Feb 3 10:13:16 2010 From: gerald.mwangi at gmx.de (gerald mwangi) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 10:13:16 +0100 Subject: QtMoko webkit related crash in v16 and multiplexing In-Reply-To: <1265184887420-4506001.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1264951255.3328.6.camel@zickzack-laptop> <201002011037.48696.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265020213.4144.18.camel@zickzack-laptop> <201002011240.30814.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265026045691-4493975.post@n2.nabble.com> <1265112513564-4500418.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002021845.40776.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265179237.16562.9.camel@localhost> <1265184887420-4506001.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1265188396.3089.43.camel@zickzack-laptop> Hi, I've tested v16C and it works fine, except for the GPRS connection. When I activate a GPRS connection, I don't receive incomming calls. I can make a call, but then the gprs connection breaks. If I make the connection permanent, the phone crashes when I boot it, after giving in my pin. But the webkit issue is resolved, thanx alot. Gerald On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 00:14 -0800, ghislain wrote: > You can just dfu-util the 'kernel.img' and the 'rootfs.img', there is no > conversion needed. > > Ghislain > http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100203/8ed33cc7/attachment.htm From martix.cz at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 14:23:10 2010 From: martix.cz at gmail.com (Martix) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 14:23:10 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Openmobility 2010 in Czech Republic + buzz & recamping fix party Message-ID: <6cf6c6711002030523wa9c561je7626d6a2245534d@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I like to announce community event/conference about open and mobile technologies and devices. There will be talks in Czech about Openmoko, Touch Book, N900, WikiReader and GSM protocol, maybe about Pandora. For talk about Pandora we need some Czech/Slovak speaker, any volunteers? During talks will be Openmoko HW fix party, which include buzz and recamping fixes, maybe bass fix. I know only one skilled electrical engineer, but he isn't sure about attending because of work. Do know about someone, who have enough soldering skills for doing HW fix? Openmobility will be on April, in Zlin, Czech Republic. It's near boundary with Slovak Republic, so Slovak community members could come too. :-) Participants, please register on Openmobility conference website. We need to know how many attenders will come for place reservation. Web: http://mobility.openmoko.cz/ From keegiveel at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 23:25:40 2010 From: keegiveel at gmail.com (Margo) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 00:25:40 +0200 Subject: [QtMoko] No GSM network after buying new battery Message-ID: Hi, I bought a new GTA02 battery from the Pulster shop. If I replaced my old battery with the new one, my freerunner couldn't connect to the GSM network. The message "No network" stays on the homescreen and the touchscreen doesn't respond (The power button does). If I ssh to the phone and restart qpe, the spinning clock icon stays on the homescreen and the screen keeps flickering. The touchscreen now responds but still no GSM network and it doesn't show my SIM contacts. Everything works if I use the old battery. I checked with SHR testing too - no problem there with the new battery. So it seems to be QtMoko problem. It's a very strange problem and I don't know what to do or what log files to check. Has anyone else seen such thing? Or can someone who bought a battery from Pulster try if QtMoko works with it? Margo From denis.johnson at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 04:59:39 2010 From: denis.johnson at gmail.com (Denis Johnson) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:59:39 +1000 Subject: QtMoko webkit related crash in v16 and multiplexing In-Reply-To: <1265184887420-4506001.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1264951255.3328.6.camel@zickzack-laptop> <201002011037.48696.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265020213.4144.18.camel@zickzack-laptop> <201002011240.30814.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265026045691-4493975.post@n2.nabble.com> <1265112513564-4500418.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002021845.40776.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265179237.16562.9.camel@localhost> <1265184887420-4506001.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20607da11002031959h7ab1657aje1e3de1cb7966c69@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 6:14 PM, ghislain wrote: > > You can just dfu-util the 'kernel.img' and the 'rootfs.img', there is no > conversion needed. Thanks for your efforts. I have flashed both but it seems to be struggling with GSM and possibly WiFi but have not checked. Don't we still need kernel modules to be unpacked in / and if so where are they ? cheers Denis From ghislain at basetrend.nl Thu Feb 4 09:40:59 2010 From: ghislain at basetrend.nl (ghislain) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 00:40:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: QtMoko webkit related crash in v16 and multiplexing In-Reply-To: <20607da11002031959h7ab1657aje1e3de1cb7966c69@mail.gmail.com> References: <1264951255.3328.6.camel@zickzack-laptop> <201002011037.48696.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265020213.4144.18.camel@zickzack-laptop> <201002011240.30814.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265026045691-4493975.post@n2.nabble.com> <1265112513564-4500418.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002021845.40776.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265179237.16562.9.camel@localhost> <1265184887420-4506001.post@n2.nabble.com> <20607da11002031959h7ab1657aje1e3de1cb7966c69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1265272859131-4512269.post@n2.nabble.com> Dennis, You don't need to unpack the kernel-modules because they are already unpacked and depmodded in the rootfs.img. Ghislain http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/QtMoko-webkit-related-crash-in-v16-and-multiplexing-tp4489671p4512269.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From marc.b at ntle.de Thu Feb 4 10:13:37 2010 From: marc.b at ntle.de (Marc Bantle) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:13:37 +0100 Subject: OpenZim does not work with recebt SHR-U any more In-Reply-To: <201002010806.o1186m4K013049@post.webmailer.de> References: <201002010806.o1186m4K013049@post.webmailer.de> Message-ID: <4B6A8FC1.8000204@ntle.de> Hi, neo at el-hennig.de schrieb: > Hi all, > > unfortunately Marc Bantle's build of zimreader for openmoko does not work anymore on the latest SHR-U. As this is the best wikipedia offline reader I used so far (especially because of the fulltext index), I would really appreciate it, if somebody could rebuild it and maybe package it as well. As I read on openzim's mailing list, the project has matured quite a bit lately and it would sure be worth while, making it available for the openmoko platform again. Developers have done optimization for small memory devices and it's likely to become part of the qi-hardware software stack for ben nanonote soon. Some work is going on to provide a gtkmm based viewer app [1]. Also the file format has been improved to store any kinds of web content. Archives for zimreader and kiwix seem to be compatibility now, so a greater range of contents may be available soon. I don't have much time to contribute at the moment :-(, but would also like to see zimreader become part of SHR distribution. Cheers, Marc [1] https://intern.openzim.org/pipermail/dev-l/2010-February/000304.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 262 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100204/41b07df5/attachment.pgp From ghislain at basetrend.nl Thu Feb 4 12:25:10 2010 From: ghislain at basetrend.nl (ghislain) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 03:25:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: fosdem scheduler app In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1265282710038-4512888.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks for this new version. I've compiled the fosdem-android app (scheduler) for this version of Android. It can be downloaded here http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#fosdem-android fosdem-android After dowloading it can be installed using 'adb install fosdem-android.apk'. After installing it needs to download the schedule once over the internet (using Wifi or GPRS). Ghislain http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Android-on-Freerunner-v0-2-RC1-released-tp4501104p4512888.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Thu Feb 4 12:46:33 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:46:33 +0200 Subject: fosdem scheduler app In-Reply-To: <1265282710038-4512888.post@n2.nabble.com> (ghislain@basetrend.nl's message of "Thu\, 4 Feb 2010 03\:25\:10 -0800 \(PST\)") References: <1265282710038-4512888.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <848wb9gr52.fsf@sauna.l.org> ghislain writes: > http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#fosdem-android fosdem-android Where's the source? From freepage at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 12:48:07 2010 From: freepage at gmail.com (Pieter Colpaert) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:48:07 +0100 Subject: FOSDEM meetup Message-ID: <1265284087.3365.4.camel@pieterc-laptop> Hi list, Since we got a devroom Sunday from 9-12, we could as well do a meet-up. We could meet up when our devroom closes (in front of it) to have something to eat/drink. What do you say? Reply here when attending, I'll be there :-) Pieter From ml at vdm-design.de Thu Feb 4 12:55:18 2010 From: ml at vdm-design.de (Thomas Zimmermann) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:55:18 +0100 Subject: FOSDEM meetup In-Reply-To: <1265284087.3365.4.camel@pieterc-laptop> References: <1265284087.3365.4.camel@pieterc-laptop> Message-ID: <201002041255.18139.ml@vdm-design.de> Am Donnerstag 04 Februar 2010 12:48:07 schrieb Pieter Colpaert: > Hi list, > > Since we got a devroom Sunday from 9-12, we could as well do a meet-up. > We could meet up when our devroom closes (in front of it) to have > something to eat/drink. > > What do you say? Reply here when attending, I'll be there :-) > > Pieter Will be there too :) Thomas From ghislain at basetrend.nl Thu Feb 4 12:59:24 2010 From: ghislain at basetrend.nl (ghislain) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 03:59:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: fosdem scheduler app In-Reply-To: <848wb9gr52.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <1265282710038-4512888.post@n2.nabble.com> <848wb9gr52.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <1265284764433-4513033.post@n2.nabble.com> The source is on sourceforge, you can check it out and then build it yourself: svn co https://fosdem-android.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/fosdem-android fosdem-android Ghislain http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Android-on-Freerunner-v0-2-RC1-released-tp4501104p4513033.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From cvwillegen at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 13:16:24 2010 From: cvwillegen at gmail.com (Christ van Willegen) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:16:24 +0100 Subject: FOSDEM meetup In-Reply-To: <1265284087.3365.4.camel@pieterc-laptop> References: <1265284087.3365.4.camel@pieterc-laptop> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Pieter Colpaert wrote: > What do you say? Reply here when attending, I'll be there :-) > > Pieter Pieter, good idea, I'll be there! Christ van Willegen From Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl Thu Feb 4 13:59:32 2010 From: Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl (Patryk Benderz) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:59:32 +0100 Subject: QGPSLog to be released In-Reply-To: <201001291704.39004.christian.rueb@gmx.net> References: <201001262119.53129.christian.rueb@gmx.net> <201001290027.53186.christian.rueb@gmx.net> <201001291704.39004.christian.rueb@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1265288372.7074.34.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> [cut] > When I have released v0.2 I'll send bb recipe to shr-devel, so it might get integrated... Hi Christian, is this version already released? (I need info for CU). http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-new-unstable/qgpslog_0.2.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point From martin.jansa at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 14:10:05 2010 From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:10:05 +0100 Subject: QGPSLog to be released In-Reply-To: <1265288372.7074.34.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> References: <201001262119.53129.christian.rueb@gmx.net> <201001290027.53186.christian.rueb@gmx.net> <201001291704.39004.christian.rueb@gmx.net> <1265288372.7074.34.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> Message-ID: <20100204131005.GS3401@jama> On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 01:59:32PM +0100, Patryk Benderz wrote: > [cut] > > When I have released v0.2 I'll send bb recipe to shr-devel, so it might get integrated... > Hi Christian, > is this version already released? (I need info for CU). > http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-new-unstable/qgpslog_0.2.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk AFAIK Christian already left for holidays and this released version is already in shr-feeds http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/qgpslog_0.2.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk Please also check availability of new stuff in shr-feeds before putting links to external sites in CU. Thanks! -- uin:136542059 jid:Martin.Jansa at gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jamasip at voip.wengo.fr JaMa From mickey at vanille-media.de Thu Feb 4 14:15:16 2010 From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Dr. Michael Lauer) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:15:16 +0100 Subject: FOSDEM meetup In-Reply-To: <1265284087.3365.4.camel@pieterc-laptop> References: <1265284087.3365.4.camel@pieterc-laptop> Message-ID: Sounds good. :M: From alishams at interchange.ubc.ca Thu Feb 4 15:26:03 2010 From: alishams at interchange.ubc.ca (Alishams Hassam) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:26:03 -0800 Subject: [QtMoko] No GSM network after buying new battery In-Reply-To: <27642_1265235986_1265235986_bc2d57b41002031425t42ea9fddod9db74c1a451b32@mail.gmail.com> References: <27642_1265235986_1265235986_bc2d57b41002031425t42ea9fddod9db74c1a451b32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1265293563.27118.330.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 00:25 +0200, Margo wrote: > Hi, > I bought a new GTA02 battery from the Pulster shop. If I replaced my > old battery with the new one, my freerunner couldn't connect to the > GSM network. The message "No network" stays on the homescreen and the > touchscreen doesn't respond (The power button does). > > If I ssh to the phone and restart qpe, the spinning clock icon stays > on the homescreen and the screen keeps flickering. The touchscreen now > responds but still no GSM network and it doesn't show my SIM contacts. > > Everything works if I use the old battery. > > I checked with SHR testing too - no problem there with the new > battery. So it seems to be QtMoko problem. > > It's a very strange problem and I don't know what to do or what log > files to check. Has anyone else seen such thing? Or can someone who > bought a battery from Pulster try if QtMoko works with it? > > Margo > Okay, using v16d, on first boot it was fine but on second boot and there after I had the same issue with "No Network" and unresponsive screen. Though in the power menue I was able to restart QTE and had the frozen clock. I wanted to check this out with my old battery that came with the FR but it didn't have enough charge left, so I put back in the other battery and almost everything worked again except accessing the hardware clock (though i didn't check to see if that worked before)... weird! I need a working phone for tomorrow so I'm not touching shit, but I'll see if I can reproduce this in the comming days (hopefully with relevant logs). As for the logfile, enabled some stuff in the QTE logging app (in categories) and then check /var/messages . From vollkorn at cryptobitch.de Thu Feb 4 15:49:54 2010 From: vollkorn at cryptobitch.de (Jan Girlich) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:49:54 +0100 Subject: FOSDEM meetup In-Reply-To: <1265284087.3365.4.camel@pieterc-laptop> References: <1265284087.3365.4.camel@pieterc-laptop> Message-ID: <1265294994.12671.0.camel@jan-x61> Am Donnerstag, den 04.02.2010, 12:48 +0100 schrieb Pieter Colpaert: > Hi list, > > Since we got a devroom Sunday from 9-12, we could as well do a meet-up. > We could meet up when our devroom closes (in front of it) to have > something to eat/drink. > > What do you say? Reply here when attending, I'll be there :-) I'd like to, but that's when the keysigning party starts! :( Jan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Reply here when attending, I'll be there :-) > > Pieter > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _________________________________________________________________ Lentekriebels? Speel samen met je vrienden de spelletjes die Windows Live je aanbiedt! http://www.messengerbillboard.be/nl/play From denis.johnson at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 16:42:50 2010 From: denis.johnson at gmail.com (Denis Johnson) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 01:42:50 +1000 Subject: QtMoko webkit related crash in v16 and multiplexing In-Reply-To: <1265272859131-4512269.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1264951255.3328.6.camel@zickzack-laptop> <1265020213.4144.18.camel@zickzack-laptop> <201002011240.30814.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265026045691-4493975.post@n2.nabble.com> <1265112513564-4500418.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002021845.40776.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265179237.16562.9.camel@localhost> <1265184887420-4506001.post@n2.nabble.com> <20607da11002031959h7ab1657aje1e3de1cb7966c69@mail.gmail.com> <1265272859131-4512269.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20607da11002040742x6ea981bdn80c3865ca5fde8fc@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:40 PM, ghislain wrote: > You don't need to unpack the kernel-modules because they are already > unpacked and depmodded in the rootfs.img. Excellent thanks. Prior to flashing the image I also used qtbackup while v16b was loaded. However after I flashed v16d and then 'tar -xvf /media/card/qtbackup.tgz' I'm a little concerned that maybe this incorrectly changes back some settings or files corrected by v16d. Thoughts ? cheer sDenis From helge.hafting at hist.no Thu Feb 4 18:56:19 2010 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:56:19 +0100 Subject: What to do with a broken touchscreen? Message-ID: I got trouble with the touchscreen. At first I tought it was dirty, and took the front cover off for cleaning. This only helped a little. Then I noticed a dent in the upper half of the display. I have enabled the X cursor, and see that while I can press the screen elsewhere and have the cursor go there, it always jumps back to the dent afterwards. And it will often move up and down a biut across the dent, causing all sorts of scrolling trouble. Is there any way to fix the dent? A small dead area wouldn't be a problem, as it is above the software keyboard region. Failing that, is it possible to replace the touchscreen hardware? Is spare parts available? Or will I have to replace the entire phone? Helge Hafting -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100204/589ed9ef/attachment.htm From keegiveel at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 19:00:40 2010 From: keegiveel at gmail.com (Margo) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 20:00:40 +0200 Subject: [QtMoko] No GSM network after buying new battery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4 February 2010 00:25, Margo wrote: > Hi, > I bought a new GTA02 battery from the Pulster shop. If I replaced my > old battery with the new one, my freerunner couldn't connect to the > GSM network. The message "No network" stays on the homescreen and the > touchscreen doesn't respond (The power button does). > > If I ssh to the phone and restart qpe, the spinning clock icon stays > on the homescreen and the screen keeps flickering. The touchscreen now > responds but still no GSM network and it doesn't show my SIM contacts. > > Everything works if I use the old battery. > > I checked with SHR testing too - no problem there with the new > battery. So it seems to be QtMoko problem. > > It's a very strange problem and I don't know what to do or what log > files to check. Has anyone else seen such thing? Or can someone who > bought a battery from Pulster try if QtMoko works with it? > > Margo > If I reinstalled the QtMoko (v16d) and used the QtBackup utility to restore my settings and files, then I still had the same problem ("No network"). But now I did clean install without restoring from backup and now everything seems to work. I rebooted once and still works. But it is still weird that replacing the battery can cause that kind of problems. From keegiveel at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 19:04:13 2010 From: keegiveel at gmail.com (Margo) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 20:04:13 +0200 Subject: [QtMoko] No GSM network after buying new battery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4 February 2010 00:25, Margo wrote: > Hi, > I bought a new GTA02 battery from the Pulster shop. If I replaced my > old battery with the new one, my freerunner couldn't connect to the > GSM network. The message "No network" stays on the homescreen and the > touchscreen doesn't respond (The power button does). > > If I ssh to the phone and restart qpe, the spinning clock icon stays > on the homescreen and the screen keeps flickering. The touchscreen now > responds but still no GSM network and it doesn't show my SIM contacts. > > Everything works if I use the old battery. > > I checked with SHR testing too - no problem there with the new > battery. So it seems to be QtMoko problem. > > It's a very strange problem and I don't know what to do or what log > files to check. Has anyone else seen such thing? Or can someone who > bought a battery from Pulster try if QtMoko works with it? > > Margo > If I reinstalled the QtMoko (v16d) and used the QtBackup utility to restore my settings and files, then I still had the same problem ("No network"). But now I did clean install without restoring from backup and now everything seems to work. I rebooted once and still works. But it is still weird that replacing the battery can cause that kind of problems. From vanous at penguin.cz Thu Feb 4 19:08:29 2010 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 19:08:29 +0100 Subject: [QtMoko] No GSM network after buying new battery References: Message-ID: <20100204190829.27027e4f@vanek.robe.cz> >If I reinstalled the QtMoko (v16d) and used the QtBackup utility to >restore my settings and files, then I still had the same problem ("No >network"). But now I did clean install without restoring from backup >and now everything seems to work. I rebooted once and still works. afaik the gsm module is powered directly from two of the battery pins. check if the battery is actually ok petr From daswaldhorn at gmx.de Thu Feb 4 21:14:49 2010 From: daswaldhorn at gmx.de (Carsten Gerlach) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 21:14:49 +0100 Subject: What to do with a broken touchscreen? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201002042114.50597.daswaldhorn@gmx.de> Hi, Am Donnerstag 04. Februar 2010 18:56:19 schrieb Helge Hafting: > Failing that, is it possible to replace the touchscreen hardware? Is spare > parts available? Or will I have to replace the entire phone? I don't know if it is suitable for you, but Christoph Pulster offers an Repair service, have a look at Greetings, Carsten -- Hier ist mein ?ffentlicher GPG-Schl?ssel: http://daswaldhorn.piranho.de/gpg.php ========================================= www.stopptdievorratsdatenspeicherung.de -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100204/568120c4/attachment.pgp From fercerpav at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 22:20:54 2010 From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:20:54 +0300 Subject: What to do with a broken touchscreen? In-Reply-To: (Helge Hafting's message of "Thu\, 4 Feb 2010 18\:56\:19 +0100") References: Message-ID: "Helge Hafting" writes: > Failing that, is it possible to replace the touchscreen hardware? Is > spare parts available? Or will I have to replace the entire phone? You can replace only the entire LCD module (LCM)... It doesn't require soldering, just careful unglueing, some spare parts were available from some folks. HTH -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com From baba_melone at yahoo.de Thu Feb 4 23:27:46 2010 From: baba_melone at yahoo.de (hab keen oh ne) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 22:27:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: AW: What to do with a broken touchscreen? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <852433.30184.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi, I had the same problem because I - why ever - kept my key in the same pocket as my freerunner, so the touch screen took a physical damage, which can still be noticed by a dint in the upper left of the screen. Nevertheless, I got rid of the problem by causing an underpressure at this place with a glue strip. After some cleaning and the usage of the glue strip the permanent clicking stopped. Hope this will help, otherwise you could use - as already said - the pulster repair set or decrease the sensitivity of the screen for clicks. ________________________________ Von: Helge Hafting An: community at lists.openmoko.org Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 4. Februar 2010, 18:56:19 Uhr Betreff: What to do with a broken touchscreen? What to do with a broken touchscreen? I got trouble with the touchscreen. At first I tought it was dirty, and took the front cover off for cleaning. This only helped a little. Then I noticed a dent in the upper half of the display. I have enabled the X cursor, and see that while I can press the screen elsewhere and have the cursor go there, it always jumps back to the dent afterwards. And it will often move up and down a biut across the dent, causing all sorts of scrolling trouble. Is there any way to fix the dent? A small dead area wouldn't be a problem, as it is above the software keyboard region. Failing that, is it possible to replace the touchscreen hardware? Is spare parts available? Or will I have to replace the entire phone? Helge Hafting __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verf?gt ?ber einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100204/83cdc0dd/attachment-0001.htm From thomas.hocedez at free.fr Thu Feb 4 23:41:58 2010 From: thomas.hocedez at free.fr (Thomas Hocedez) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:41:58 +0100 Subject: [wikireader] Fully automated script ready ! In-Reply-To: <4B5F17CB.1000109@free.fr> References: <4B55D0E6.10500@web.de> <4B5EE80E.3010803@free.fr> <4B5EECC5.4000900@web.de> <4B5F17CB.1000109@free.fr> Message-ID: <4B6B4D36.2050403@free.fr> Hi wikireaders, As I told before, my automated script is ready !And this script is totally "cronable" :! It manage every step, from downloading Wikipedia archive in your language to the installation. it is available here : http://freerunner.daily.free.fr/files/autowiki.sh Just modify with your ftp parameters (for ftp'ing images) & mail (to be adverted on each step). then launch $ autowiki.sh fr for french Wikipedia $ autowiki be for Biello-russian Wikipedia Some of you would say that it also could check if the wikireader folder exists & install or upgrade source from the git, well, I let you some work to do ;-) I'm still available for any suggestion or anything else. The code is following. #!/bin/sh # Automation script for rendering a Wikipedia image for the FR # Written by AstHrO / openmoko-fr.org / thomas.hocedez at free.fr # V 1.0 # Todo # param1 : language (fr,en,be,lu....) # ========================= # Ftp host configuration : ftp_host="" ftp_login="" ftp_passd="" mail="" # Folder where the wikireader tools are installed wr_folder="/media/stocks/wikireader" # ========================= # Language extension of the WP (fr,en, nl ...) if [[ "$1" = "" ]]; then lang="fr" else lang=$1 fi # You don't have to change following stuff, but you can ... cfile="${lang}wiki-latest-pages-articles.xml.bz2" ufile="${lang}wiki-latest-pages-articles.xml" mail_msg="message.txt" sep="==============================================================" echo "---" > $mail_msg # Going to the working folder : cd $wr_folder # cleaning old treatments : echo $sep echo "Step 1 : CLeaning..." make clean &>/dev/null # downloading interesting WP : echo $sep echo "Step 2 : Downloading dump ..." rm $cfile &>null wget http://download.wikimedia.org/${lang}wiki/latest/$cfile ls -l $cfile | mail -s "[WR] Wikipedia dump downloaded" "$mail" < $mail_msg # uncompressing : echo $sep echo "Step 3 : Uncompressing ..." rm $ufile &>/dev/null bzip2 -d ./$cfile 2> log.txt &1> /dev/null #creating some folders : mkdir work &>/dev/null mkdir image &>/dev/null echo $sep echo "Step 4 : Indexing Articles..." # Creating index of articles : make index XML_FILES="$ufile" DESTDIR=image WORKDIR=work 2> log.txt 1> /dev/null # Parsing : (30>60 sec / 1000) echo $sep echo "Step 5 : Parsing Articles ..." make parse -j3 XML_FILES="$ufile" DESTDIR=image WORKDIR=work 2>log.txt #mail -s "[WR] Parsing of $ufile complete !" "$mail" < $mail_msg # Rendering the file : (60>200 sec / 1000) echo $sep echo "Step 6 : Rendering ..." make render -j3 XML_FILES="$ufile" DESTDIR=image WORKDIR=work 2>log.txt #mail -s "[WR] Rendering of $ufile complete !" "$mail" < $mail_msg echo $sep echo "Step 7 : Finalizing ..." # Combining articles indexes (few seconds) make combine -j3 DESTDIR=image WORKDIR=work > $mail_msg # Generating a Hash (last few seconds dude !) make hash -j3 DESTDIR=image WORKDIR=work >> $mail_msg # Going to output folder cd image echo $sep echo "Step 8 : Compressing files..." # Compressing data files tar -cvf wr_${lang}_$(date '+%d-%m-%Y').tar.gz pedia*.* # a little HASH to be sure ... shasum wr_${lang}_$(date '+%d-%m-%Y').tar.gz > sha_${lang}.txt #mail -s "[WR] Hash of your file..." "$mail" < $mail_msg echo $sep echo "Step 9 : Let's FTP all this !" # Let's FTP all this stuff ftp -n << EOF open $ftp_host user $ftp_login $ftp_passd binary put wr_${lang}_$(date '+%d-%m-%Y').tar.gz EOF echo $sep echo "Step 10 : Enjoy !" #mail -s "[WR] All done, WP image ready to use !" "$mail" # That's it you can now send a mail to your friends. From psonek2 at seznam.cz Thu Feb 4 23:47:11 2010 From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 23:47:11 +0100 Subject: QtMoko v19 Message-ID: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> Hi, new images version 19 of QtMoko on debian are out now! You can download from here [1]. QtMoko is stable distribution for Openmoko Freerunner phone. For more info visit our homepage [2][3], For source code check [4], Here is list of changes from v16: - Spain translation (Esteban Monge) - Fixed compiling on systems with QT 4.6 - Fixed freeze while removing wifi-settings (Jeroen Nijhof) - Fixed bing fonts in SMS email and others (Jeroen Nijhof) - Fixed saving suspend interval in power management (Jeroen Nijhof) - NeronGPS and Arora in default instalation - Removed some demos and not working apps - QX now suspends on call or when SMS arrives - Workaround for incomming SMS bug - Two kernels. Slow with debug, fast with nodebug - Fixed web browser crashes - Downgrade to QT 4.5.3 I have decided to do version 19 and skip 17 and 18. The reason is that i did experimental kernel named v17 which could be confusing and i want to reserve v18 for version with 2.6.32 kernel. As for the changes - credits go to Jeroen for fixing bugs and Esteban for translations, thanks a lot! There were some troubles with QT 4.6 so for this release they are gone, but i hope they will be back soon. I am now also providing two kernels - one vanilla andy-tracking with debugging stuff and one with stripped config. The first one is slow but stable. The second one is fast, but for me it had problems with switching to QVGA (WSOD) and sometimes wifi does not work (Suspend/resume can fix it). You can decide which one you want to use. Just flash your favourite kernel (for jffs image) or change the symlink in /boot (for SD card image). Last important note on incomming SMS. I did quite dirty hack that displays on homescreen text "1 missed sms", if modem registers new SMS but Qtopia mail does not receive it correctly. In this case you have to restart Qtopia (Qt Extended) and the SMS should arrive. Please tell me, if it works for you. and enjoy new version Regards Radek [1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/ [2] http://qtmoko.org [3] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/ [4] http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko From slm3095om at Millions.Ca Thu Feb 4 23:48:56 2010 From: slm3095om at Millions.Ca (Stacy Millions) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:48:56 -0700 Subject: What to do with a broken touchscreen? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B6B4ED8.3010308@millions.ca> Helge Hafting wrote: > Failing that, is it possible to replace the touchscreen hardware? Is > spare parts available? Or will I have to replace the entire phone? You can replace the screen. It is stuck to the main board, so you must be very gentle when you remove it and make sure you disconnect the ribbon cable that connects it to the main board before you try to remove the screen. As for spares, you can get them on ebay http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280457673050 I have had no dealings with this seller, I just happened to notice that he was selling replacement screens for the FreeRunner. -stacy From psonek2 at seznam.cz Thu Feb 4 23:51:17 2010 From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 23:51:17 +0100 Subject: QtMoko v19 In-Reply-To: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> References: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <201002042351.17718.psonek2@seznam.cz> Radek Polak wrote: > Hi, > new images version 19 of QtMoko on debian are out now! You can download > from here [1]. Forgot MD5 sums: 754bdc5908505a7940adab987b96c3fd qtmoko-debian-v19.jffs2 33a1136b77141a1e58d208a9b95d6af9 qtmoko-debian-v19.tar.gz 2090fbc64b688b2de13c8651f69e2184 uImage-v19-debug.bin 5e490dfd6b1d6c2aa65da219625579a1 uImage-v19-nodebug.bin Regards Radek From denis.johnson at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 00:39:51 2010 From: denis.johnson at gmail.com (Denis Johnson) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:39:51 +1000 Subject: [QtMoko] No GSM network after buying new battery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20607da11002041539u4379958arfcbfc5affd7736ba@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 4:00 AM, Margo wrote: > If I reinstalled the QtMoko (v16d) and used the QtBackup utility to > restore my settings and files, then I still had the same problem ("No > network"). But now I did clean install without restoring from backup > and now everything seems to work. I rebooted once and still works. I installed v16d last night and it also seemed to work fine, I then restored my qtbackup and rebooted (now a few times) and I also have no network. I have not been playing with batteries, in fact the case hasn't been opened for many days. Hope this data point helps. I'm now off to install v19 since it looks like I will need clean install and this time I will not do a restore of the backup. cheer sDenis From hersche at puzzle.ch Fri Feb 5 00:47:54 2010 From: hersche at puzzle.ch (Vinzenz Hersche) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 00:47:54 +0100 Subject: QtMoko v19 In-Reply-To: <201002042351.17718.psonek2@seznam.cz> References: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> <201002042351.17718.psonek2@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <201002050047.54895.hersche@puzzle.ch> nice.. :D but could you write a little tutorial to explain, how you build the kernel? i like to play cmpiling with qtmoko, but i'm also interested in kernel- compiling.. :) ----------------------------------------------- Radek schrieb am Donnerstag 04 Februar 2010: Radek Polak wrote: > Hi, > new images version 19 of QtMoko on debian are out now! You can download > from here [1]. Forgot MD5 sums: 754bdc5908505a7940adab987b96c3fd qtmoko-debian-v19.jffs2 33a1136b77141a1e58d208a9b95d6af9 qtmoko-debian-v19.tar.gz 2090fbc64b688b2de13c8651f69e2184 uImage-v19-debug.bin 5e490dfd6b1d6c2aa65da219625579a1 uImage-v19-nodebug.bin Regards Radek _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From denis.johnson at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 01:01:29 2010 From: denis.johnson at gmail.com (Denis Johnson) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:01:29 +1000 Subject: QtMoko webkit related crash in v16 and multiplexing In-Reply-To: <20607da11002040742x6ea981bdn80c3865ca5fde8fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <1264951255.3328.6.camel@zickzack-laptop> <201002011240.30814.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265026045691-4493975.post@n2.nabble.com> <1265112513564-4500418.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002021845.40776.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265179237.16562.9.camel@localhost> <1265184887420-4506001.post@n2.nabble.com> <20607da11002031959h7ab1657aje1e3de1cb7966c69@mail.gmail.com> <1265272859131-4512269.post@n2.nabble.com> <20607da11002040742x6ea981bdn80c3865ca5fde8fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20607da11002041601h30171abas5c1b52a6885630b3@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:42 AM, Denis Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:40 PM, ghislain wrote: >> You don't need to unpack the kernel-modules because they are already >> unpacked and depmodded in the rootfs.img. > Prior to flashing the image I also used qtbackup while v16b was > loaded. However after I flashed v16d and then 'tar -xvf > /media/card/qtbackup.tgz' I'm a little concerned that maybe this > incorrectly changes back some settings or files corrected by v16d. > Thoughts ? I'm sorry to reply to my own post and create additional noise but for completeness and in case this helps anyone else, I found that after my restore of v16b backup onto v16d, no matter ho many times I reboot, it fails to find to get the network. Just stays on "searching for network". However wifi seems ok. So I surmise there must be something in the backed up settings/config causing this. I'm now going to install clean v19 and not do the restore cheers Denis From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 5 02:52:17 2010 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 01:52:17 +0000 Subject: What to do with a broken touchscreen? In-Reply-To: <4B6B4ED8.3010308@millions.ca> References: <4B6B4ED8.3010308@millions.ca> Message-ID: <201002050152.18099.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Thursday 04 February 2010, Stacy Millions wrote: > Helge Hafting wrote: > > Failing that, is it possible to replace the touchscreen hardware? Is > > spare parts available? Or will I have to replace the entire phone? > > You can replace the screen. It is stuck to the main board, so you must > be very gentle when you remove it and make sure you disconnect the > ribbon cable that connects it to the main board before you try to remove > the screen. > > As for spares, you can get them on ebay > > http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280457673050 > > I have had no dealings with this seller, I just happened to notice that > he was selling replacement screens for the FreeRunner. Search for TD028TTEC1 and you'll find them for a fraction of that price. From cvwillegen at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 08:02:45 2010 From: cvwillegen at gmail.com (Christ van Willegen) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:02:45 +0100 Subject: FOSDEM meetup In-Reply-To: <1265284087.3365.4.camel@pieterc-laptop> References: <1265284087.3365.4.camel@pieterc-laptop> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Pieter Colpaert wrote: > We could meet up when our devroom closes (in front of it) to have > something to eat/drink. I've summarized the answers given so far at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2010#Meet-up See you all this sunday! Christ van Willegen From cvwillegen+shr_user at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 08:35:20 2010 From: cvwillegen+shr_user at gmail.com (Christ van Willegen) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:35:20 +0100 Subject: [SHR-U] [Navit] Buttons/icons broken Message-ID: Hello all, I'm running the latest SHR-U with Navit installed. On the map screen, the zoom_in and zom_out buttons are not displayed at all. Also, when using it for navigation, I only get the distance to the next navigational item, but not what I'm supposed to do there (it only shows a square). Any libraries that I missed? I think I have the relevant '*svg*' packages installed, but I may have missed one... $ opkg list_installed | grep svg evas-loader-svg - 2:0.9.9.060+svnr45765-r5.4 librsvg-2-2 - 2.26.0-r1.4 librsvg-2-gtk - 2.26.0-r1.4 librsvg-2-static - 2.26.0-r1.4 rsvg - 2.26.0-r1.4 Can anyone shed some light on this issue? Anything I missed? Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 From psonek2 at seznam.cz Fri Feb 5 09:33:01 2010 From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:33:01 +0100 Subject: QtMoko v19 In-Reply-To: <201002050047.54895.hersche@puzzle.ch> References: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> <201002042351.17718.psonek2@seznam.cz> <201002050047.54895.hersche@puzzle.ch> Message-ID: <201002050933.01899.psonek2@seznam.cz> On Friday 05 February 2010 00:47:54 Vinzenz Hersche wrote: > nice.. :D > but could you write a little tutorial to explain, how you build the kernel? > i like to play cmpiling with qtmoko, but i'm also interested in kernel- > compiling.. :) Sure, both kernels are latest andy-tracking. The debug one is build with standard: cd linux-26 mkdir GTA02 cp arch/arm/configs/gta02_packaging_config GTA02/.config ./build GTA02 ./build GTA02 dummy and i also strip modules so that they are not too big: find . -name *.ko -exec /opt/toolchains/arm920t-eabi/bin/arm-linux-strip -R .not -R .comment --strip-unneeded {} \; The nodebug kernel is based on this config[1] and i build it like this: make CROSS_COMPILE=/opt/toolchains/arm920t-eabi/bin/arm-linux- ARCH=arm make CROSS_COMPILE=/opt/toolchains/arm920t-eabi/bin/arm-linux- ARCH=arm modules_install /opt/toolchains/arm920t-eabi/bin/arm-linux-objcopy -O binary -R .note -R .comment -S arch/arm/boot/compressed/vmlinux linux.bin mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 30008000 -e 30008000 -n "QtMoko" -d linux.bin uImage-GTA02.bin It could be also needed to run depmod on Neo if the booted kernel cant find modules. Regards Radek [1] http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/blob/translations/devices/neo/linux_kernel/gta02_qtmoko_2.6.29_config From neo at el-hennig.de Fri Feb 5 09:43:37 2010 From: neo at el-hennig.de (neo at el-hennig.de) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:43:37 +0100 (MET) Subject: QtMoko v19 Message-ID: <201002050843.o158hbGP029771@post.webmailer.de> Hello Radek, > - Two kernels. Slow with debug, fast with nodebug > I have decided to do version 19 and skip 17 and 18. The reason is that i did > experimental kernel named v17 which could be confusing and i want to reserve > v18 for version with 2.6.32 kernel. Could you provide the modules for the nodebug kernel. I would like to try to run that kernel on my SHR-U Installation. From gandalf at viroenforce.com Fri Feb 5 11:36:19 2010 From: gandalf at viroenforce.com (Gand') Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:36:19 +0100 Subject: deep sleep on Android, was Re: QtMoko v14 In-Reply-To: <200910182109.45645.chris@csamuel.org> References: <1254915862.6052.26.camel@rp-skunk> <200910180857.20207.chris@csamuel.org> <20091018085336.448400f0@vanek.robe.cz> <200910182109.45645.chris@csamuel.org> Message-ID: <210dc3a51002050236u1e071ee0n15e6b94029f30129@mail.gmail.com> any news ? -- Gand' On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Chris Samuel wrote: > On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:53:36 pm Petr Vanek wrote: > > > thank you, please keep us posted if anything changes... > > Michael Trimarchi ("Panicking") is on the case already. :-) > > cheers, > Chris > -- > Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC > > This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. > For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100205/a6f1b6f0/attachment.htm From vanous at penguin.cz Fri Feb 5 11:52:54 2010 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:52:54 +0100 Subject: QtMoko v19 References: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <20100205115254.3233a504@vanek.robe.cz> >- QX now suspends on call or when SMS arrives Radek, what is this good for? Petr From csynt8bit at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 12:09:33 2010 From: csynt8bit at gmail.com (xChris) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 03:09:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Symbian opensource... Message-ID: <1265368173098-4519343.post@n2.nabble.com> As I read there: http://bit.ly/9JtLqG Time for a 'new' distro for the Openmoko? ;) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Symbian-opensource-tp4519343p4519343.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com Fri Feb 5 12:12:33 2010 From: nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com (Niels Heyvaert) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:12:33 +0000 Subject: deep sleep on Android, was Re: QtMoko v14 In-Reply-To: <210dc3a51002050236u1e071ee0n15e6b94029f30129@mail.gmail.com> References: <1254915862.6052.26.camel@rp-skunk>, <200910180857.20207.chris@csamuel.org>, <20091018085336.448400f0@vanek.robe.cz>, <200910182109.45645.chris@csamuel.org>, <210dc3a51002050236u1e071ee0n15e6b94029f30129@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I would suggest you check the AoF mailinglist to find your answer. http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner Also check the AoF issues list in case it's already logged and traced http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/list Kind regards, Niels. -- Microsoft gives you windows, Linux gives you the whole house. ________________________________ > From: gandalf at viroenforce.com > Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:36:19 +0100 > To: community at lists.openmoko.org > Subject: Re: deep sleep on Android, was Re: QtMoko v14 > > any news ? > -- > Gand' > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Chris Samuel> wrote: > > > On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:53:36 pm Petr Vanek wrote: > > > >> thank you, please keep us posted if anything changes... > > > > Michael Trimarchi ("Panicking") is on the case already. :-) > > > > cheers, > > Chris > > -- > > Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC > > > > This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. > > For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: kijk live tv, rechtstreeks vanaf je laptop. Meer informatie. http://windows.microsoft.com/windows-7 From thomas.hocedez at free.fr Fri Feb 5 12:55:11 2010 From: thomas.hocedez at free.fr (Thomas HOCEDEZ) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:55:11 +0100 Subject: Symbian opensource... In-Reply-To: <1265368173098-4519343.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1265368173098-4519343.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B6C071F.2090609@free.fr> Le 05/02/2010 12:09, xChris a ?crit : > As I read there: > > http://bit.ly/9JtLqG > > Time for a 'new' distro for the Openmoko? ;) > > 'was browsing a bit the sources. Everything seems clear, self-explicit, usefull libraries are present, ready to be tweaked for FR (USB,uSD, touchscreen, LCD , sound ...) also some Nice tutorials to install SDKs ... So I think some people will manage to do a new distro on the FR ! pray & see ;-) -- Thomas HOCEDEZ From psonek2 at seznam.cz Fri Feb 5 14:02:12 2010 From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:02:12 +0100 Subject: QtMoko v19 In-Reply-To: <20100205115254.3233a504@vanek.robe.cz> References: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> <20100205115254.3233a504@vanek.robe.cz> Message-ID: <201002051402.12418.psonek2@seznam.cz> On Friday 05 February 2010 11:52:54 Petr Vanek wrote: > >- QX now suspends on call or when SMS arrives > > Radek, > > what is this good for? > > Petr > Sorry - this description was quite confusing. Let me explain better: Before this change when you were running X application and you got phone call or SMS the X application was still running and repainting same areas as Qtopia and also getting same key and mouse events. This was very inconvenient. Now i changed the behavior so that QX pauses the application and brings up the same dialog that you know from pressing AUX. It let's you continue the X app or kill it. Another side effect is that the code is much more simple now and it avoids remapping the AUX button handling which was causing some problems before. Regards Radek From openmoko at ginguppin.de Fri Feb 5 14:43:06 2010 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:43:06 +0100 Subject: Symbian opensource... In-Reply-To: <1265368173098-4519343.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1265368173098-4519343.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: > As I read there: > > http://bit.ly/9JtLqG any chance, you post the correct url? this is not twitter, you know. From John.Gay at ge.com Fri Feb 5 14:49:16 2010 From: John.Gay at ge.com (Gay, John (GE Infra, Energy, Non-GE)) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:49:16 -0500 Subject: QtMoko v19 In-Reply-To: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> References: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> Message-ID: I've just got 1, 2 part question: What is the status of BT? I changed from qtExtended to H:1 to get my BT keyboard working, but I can't get my BT headset working. If I can get both of these working on QtMoko, I'd be willing to change from uboot to get back to a QT-based phone. I've looked around, but can't seem to find a definitive answer. Cheers, John Gay From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 5 15:09:14 2010 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:09:14 +0000 Subject: Symbian opensource... In-Reply-To: References: <1265368173098-4519343.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <201002051409.14763.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Friday 05 February 2010, arne anka wrote: > > As I read there: > > > > http://bit.ly/9JtLqG > > any chance, you post the correct url? > this is not twitter, you know. I don't know if this is where that link ends up, but it should be close enough. http://developer.symbian.org/ From csynt8bit at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 15:14:06 2010 From: csynt8bit at gmail.com (xChris) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 06:14:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Symbian opensource... In-Reply-To: References: <1265368173098-4519343.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1265379246261-4520081.post@n2.nabble.com> posted from mobile and the copy/paste of the links was 'converted' http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/02/symbian-operating-system-now-open-source-and-free/ -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Symbian-opensource-tp4519343p4520081.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From keegiveel at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 15:17:59 2010 From: keegiveel at gmail.com (Margo) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 16:17:59 +0200 Subject: QtMoko v19 In-Reply-To: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> References: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> Message-ID: On 5 February 2010 00:47, Radek Polak wrote: > Hi, > new images version 19 of QtMoko on debian are out now! You can download from > here [1]. QtMoko is stable distribution for Openmoko Freerunner phone. For > more info visit our homepage [2][3], For source code check [4], > If I use the nodebug kernel I can't boot with qi (I use qi installed by qtmoko v16d installer). It just vibrates once and flashes the red led but doesn't start to boot. But it does boot if I boot it with u-boot from NOR. But with the debug kernel it boots with qi. From alishams at interchange.ubc.ca Fri Feb 5 16:21:08 2010 From: alishams at interchange.ubc.ca (Alishams Hassam) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:21:08 -0800 Subject: QtMoko v19 In-Reply-To: <14654_1265379506_1265379506_bc2d57b41002050617n105bcc1agd96a21544240cf5b@mail.gmail.com> References: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> <14654_1265379506_1265379506_bc2d57b41002050617n105bcc1agd96a21544240cf5b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1265383268.9937.1.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 16:17 +0200, Margo wrote: > If I use the nodebug kernel I can't boot with qi (I use qi installed > by qtmoko v16d installer). It just vibrates once and flashes the red > led but doesn't start to boot. But it does boot if I boot it with > u-boot from NOR. > > But with the debug kernel it boots with qi. Can confirm this with qi as well. qtmoko installed on uSD. Anyone know how can I see the error/provide a log? From keegiveel at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 16:34:21 2010 From: keegiveel at gmail.com (Margo) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 17:34:21 +0200 Subject: QtMoko v19 In-Reply-To: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> References: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> Message-ID: On 5 February 2010 00:47, Radek Polak wrote: > I am now also providing two kernels - one vanilla andy-tracking with debugging > stuff and one with stripped config. The first one is slow but stable. The second > one is fast, but for me it had problems with switching to QVGA (WSOD) I sometimes get WSOD also with the debugging kernel. From helge.hafting at hist.no Fri Feb 5 17:22:27 2010 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:22:27 +0100 Subject: AW: What to do with a broken touchscreen? In-Reply-To: <852433.30184.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <852433.30184.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B6C45C3.705@hist.no> hab keen oh ne wrote: > Hi, > I had the same problem because I - why ever - kept my key in the same > pocket as my freerunner, so the touch screen took a physical damage, > which can still be noticed by a dint in the upper left of the screen. > Nevertheless, I got rid of the problem by causing an underpressure at > this place with a glue strip. After some cleaning and the usage of the > glue strip the permanent clicking stopped. Hope this will help, > otherwise you could use - as already said - the pulster repair set or > decrease the sensitivity of the screen for clicks. > I'll try the underpressure trick. But how do I decrease sensitivity? It seems like a nice workaround, for the "fake clicks" seem to occur with _very_ light pressure. I have enabled the X cursor, and if I press two locations the cursor will land between the fingers, closer to the place with the highest pressure. But a single finger will always grab the cursor completely, the pressure from the dentet region seems to be extremely weak. So, if the dent can be tuned out at the price of having to press only a little harder, then that would be great! How is this done? Helge Hafting From yogizz at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 18:55:07 2010 From: yogizz at gmail.com (Yogiz) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 19:55:07 +0200 Subject: Freerunner can not maintain wireless connection to a Linux AP Message-ID: <20100205195507.358e124b@blunt> Hi, I realise that this problem might equally well be the fault of my AP's configuration but since my Freerunner is the only client affected, I figured I'd start from here. I have a linux PC that acts as a wireless AP using hostapd, ath5k drivers from the kernel and WPA2 for encryption. I have about 5-7 laptops connected to the AP regularly and they have not had the same problem as the Freerunner. The problem itself is as follows: I connect to the AP from my freerunner, no matter what client I'm using, I've tried several. I see the AP in my scans, I initiate a connection and successfully receive an IP address from the dhcpd running on my AP. I start pinging the gateway at once and pings are successes. That means in that moment of time, I have a fully functional connection to my AP with encryption and everything working. Now it takes some time, about 10 seconds to a minute and my pings start failing all at once. I can't connect to anything on the network from my Freerunner anymore. When I inspected the connection from another laptop using Wireshark, I saw that the first ARP request from the Freerunner was a success but the second one (that comes after the variable time 10-60 seconds in the middle of pinging) will not get a reply from the AP. From then on, the connection is lost, the pings travel to the monitoring laptop but no longer get any replies from the AP. It seems like the AP is at fault here, but every single other thing I've connected to the AP has remained working, so there must be something different about the Freerunner. If anyone has any idea, what may be the fault here, please do. Regards, Yogiz From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 5 19:12:51 2010 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 18:12:51 +0000 Subject: Freerunner can not maintain wireless connection to a Linux AP In-Reply-To: <20100205195507.358e124b@blunt> References: <20100205195507.358e124b@blunt> Message-ID: <201002051812.51594.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Friday 05 February 2010, Yogiz wrote: > Hi, > > I realise that this problem might equally well be the fault of my AP's > configuration but since my Freerunner is the only client affected, I > figured I'd start from here. > > I have a linux PC that acts as a wireless AP using hostapd, ath5k > drivers from the kernel and WPA2 for encryption. I have about 5-7 > laptops connected to the AP regularly and they have not had the same > problem as the Freerunner. I have a similar problem with my wrt54g (stock firmware) which doesn't play nicely with the power saving on the Freerunner's WiFi chipset. Try disabling the power saving mode using Freerunner. I don't remember if i need the iwconfig command, the wmiconfig command, or both, to make the connection reliable, but both are mentioned in the wiki. If you use a roaming wpa_supplicant configuration in /etc/network/interfaces you can probably put the required commands in pre-up and post-down to automate its use on the access points that need it, but not those that don't. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi#Disable_power_management > The problem itself is as follows: > > I connect to the AP from my freerunner, no matter what client I'm > using, I've tried several. I see the AP in my scans, I initiate a > connection and successfully receive an IP address from the dhcpd > running on my AP. I start pinging the gateway at once and pings are > successes. That means in that moment of time, I have a fully functional > connection to my AP with encryption and everything working. Now it > takes some time, about 10 seconds to a minute and my pings start > failing all at once. I can't connect to anything on the network from my > Freerunner anymore. When I inspected the connection from another laptop > using Wireshark, I saw that the first ARP request from the Freerunner > was a success but the second one (that comes after the variable time > 10-60 seconds in the middle of pinging) will not get a reply from the > AP. From then on, the connection is lost, the pings travel to the > monitoring laptop but no longer get any replies from the AP. It seems > like the AP is at fault here, but every single other thing I've > connected to the AP has remained working, so there must be something > different about the Freerunner. If anyone has any idea, what may be the > fault here, please do. From yogizz at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 19:21:53 2010 From: yogizz at gmail.com (Yogiz) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 20:21:53 +0200 Subject: Freerunner can not maintain wireless connection to a Linux AP In-Reply-To: <201002051812.51594.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> References: <20100205195507.358e124b@blunt> <201002051812.51594.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <20100205202153.0a5eb1e5@blunt> I'll be damned. I did the wmiconfig one and the connection is now stable as rock, even when going long distance between Freerunner and AP. Thanks a lot. Yogiz On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 18:12:51 +0000 Al Johnson wrote: > On Friday 05 February 2010, Yogiz wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I realise that this problem might equally well be the fault of my > > AP's configuration but since my Freerunner is the only client > > affected, I figured I'd start from here. > > > > I have a linux PC that acts as a wireless AP using hostapd, ath5k > > drivers from the kernel and WPA2 for encryption. I have about 5-7 > > laptops connected to the AP regularly and they have not had the same > > problem as the Freerunner. > > I have a similar problem with my wrt54g (stock firmware) which > doesn't play nicely with the power saving on the Freerunner's WiFi > chipset. Try disabling the power saving mode using Freerunner. I > don't remember if i need the iwconfig command, the wmiconfig command, > or both, to make the connection reliable, but both are mentioned in > the wiki. If you use a roaming wpa_supplicant configuration > in /etc/network/interfaces you can probably put the required commands > in pre-up and post-down to automate its use on the access points that > need it, but not those that don't. > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi#Disable_power_management > > > The problem itself is as follows: > > > > I connect to the AP from my freerunner, no matter what client I'm > > using, I've tried several. I see the AP in my scans, I initiate a > > connection and successfully receive an IP address from the dhcpd > > running on my AP. I start pinging the gateway at once and pings are > > successes. That means in that moment of time, I have a fully > > functional connection to my AP with encryption and everything > > working. Now it takes some time, about 10 seconds to a minute and > > my pings start failing all at once. I can't connect to anything on > > the network from my Freerunner anymore. When I inspected the > > connection from another laptop using Wireshark, I saw that the > > first ARP request from the Freerunner was a success but the second > > one (that comes after the variable time 10-60 seconds in the middle > > of pinging) will not get a reply from the AP. From then on, the > > connection is lost, the pings travel to the monitoring laptop but > > no longer get any replies from the AP. It seems like the AP is at > > fault here, but every single other thing I've connected to the AP > > has remained working, so there must be something different about > > the Freerunner. If anyone has any idea, what may be the fault here, > > please do. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From psonek2 at seznam.cz Fri Feb 5 23:09:36 2010 From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 23:09:36 +0100 Subject: QtMoko v19 In-Reply-To: References: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <201002052309.36331.psonek2@seznam.cz> Margo wrote: > I sometimes get WSOD also with the debugging kernel. The debug kernel should be more or less same as in all previous versions. So i am wondering if this is regression or if it was there before too. Btw it should be quite easy to use kernel from older releases (e.g. v14 was quite nice) and see if it has this problem. I am still hoping to move to 2.6.32 kernel which i was using for some time and i liked it. It was stable and fast. But i had i had it working either without wifi or with wifi+WSOD. Interesting is that when i used USB to wake the phone there was no WSOD. I can do release based on 2.6.32 after this is solved. Regards Radek From psonek2 at seznam.cz Fri Feb 5 23:19:08 2010 From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 23:19:08 +0100 Subject: QtMoko v19 In-Reply-To: References: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <201002052319.08264.psonek2@seznam.cz> Gay, John (GE Infra, Energy, Non-GE) wrote: > What is the status of BT? I changed from qtExtended to H:1 to get my BT > keyboard working, but I can't get my BT headset working. I have Motorola BT headset, but i havent managed to get it working. I could pair and connect it, but i hear no sound. Maybe somebody else had more luck? Regards Radek From neiljerram at googlemail.com Fri Feb 5 23:44:47 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 22:44:47 +0000 Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner In-Reply-To: <49dd78621001141441g659154f6lcd475535ed46ddf4@mail.gmail.com> References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78621001141441g659154f6lcd475535ed46ddf4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49dd78621002051444vda3f43s86030b7aeb0bfdab@mail.gmail.com> On 14 January 2010 22:41, Neil Jerram wrote: > > I've just installed Timo's kernel from > http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/moko/kernel_20100108_nodebug_nopreempt/uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_oma-andy-2a04ce8203d7d0f1.bin, [...] > > But I noticed two apparent changes/regressions. > > 1. The openmoko-panel-plugin battery icon doesn't notice changes to > the battery charging state. ?I can force it to notice by clicking on > the icon, but it doesn't notice itself. ?I guess that means that the > dbus signals for charging status are not working. I think I've fixed this one. Apparently kobject notification has changed behaviour in the case where the /sys paths that frameworkd watches are symbolic links. When the Python-level notification callback is called, the path given is a canonical link, not the original symbolic link path. The change at http://gitorious.org/stuff-for-openmoko-freerunner/debian-usr-share-pyshared/commit/2833bf870b87d4892083daaf6c1c46b4237195d1 addresses this, and makes battery reporting work again for me. Can anyone comment on whether this analysis and fix are correct? Regards, Neil From vanous at penguin.cz Sat Feb 6 12:26:45 2010 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 12:26:45 +0100 Subject: [Community Updates] 2010-01-14 released References: <1263577239.7298.28.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> Message-ID: <20100206122645.1a014450@vanek.robe.cz> On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:40:39 +0100 Patryk Benderz (PB) wrote: >Hello everybody, >Recent Community Update is out. Take a look at "News" link in Hi, could please people stop editing released updates? (meaning adding new stuff, don't mean fixing links and typos). For example with the 14. January Update [1] quite a bit of work has been done to make the release, then we release and know what is in there. Now i can see that two days after release some stuff was added. I my case, i had missed those later added news as the release was final. Plus, there is no source for the news, so in fact there is no way to know. I presume i am not alone. thank you Petr [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2010-01-14 From kichkasch at gmx.de Sat Feb 6 15:12:04 2010 From: kichkasch at gmx.de (Michael Pilgermann) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:12:04 +0100 Subject: [shr-t] Importing (vcf) contacts -- again In-Reply-To: References: <1260221041.2787.4.camel@razor> <1260226441.2787.11.camel@razor> <1260309365.3606.9.camel@Q-Masters> <1260315685.12809.8.camel@razor> Message-ID: <4B6D78B4.40203@gmx.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/17/2009 05:21 PM, jeremy jozwik wrote: > i am also attempting to import a vcf file into my shrsim. > for some reason unknown to me pisi wont write any changes to any contact fields. > example, changing a phone number to add +1 to the phone number field. This is due to the way, PISI handles conflicts - if a contact entry is in both data sources, you have to tell PISI how to resolve that: In the very bottom of PISI GUI you may choose a "conflict mode"; you may always overwrite one side, ask all the time - it should be self explaining ... > > but! deleting a contact out of the shrsim and running pisi will re add > that contact, but none of the phone number modifications. Yeah, I have this on the todo list already; for now you could use again "conflict mode" settings; assume you have one "master" side; flush the other one in the beginning. > > all these modifications are formated just as they should be. some of > my contacts on the sim already have the +1 in the number. which leads > me to believe its not a formatting issue. > > along with that, can anyone describe to me why new shr 20091205 > contacts likes to click a contact rather then draggin a contact to > scroll the list. this is driving me crazy right now trying to scroll > to the lower contacts. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLbXi0AAoJECyCaNMbCftRhHAIALNeHCl7xY1qw+JVU0UiUpjQ ODJkKiANgSw1kmIqODvSpsouy7XvCDfrDjwgUpoYm4dsXGdlgYFknmxbWQ/5Znus 7NFK3x/fuGY2nUiTLxDPLkJ7cbi1DsZnzReobhxkYH9Y3uI33nstFfiydQI0tXxh qNL0p1uLMxS+R1/C+J1hzVJnqFBknM7QDuTMZ2J7WE8UAJo49IX6fViHYh/Ds6Qo oBt4glasSQGcxlEvHg1dk+DZ1p/IwuEEaMtM/6u20uSBcqOonqRA5HVZ4aS4xNjV Oi6fDPmhc9EMnoK1gCkCMp15ywV1gz8/kjFlILbUvWxSgCRKHFgPyAdz3BIJ4/0= =nqop -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hns at computer.org Sat Feb 6 15:38:22 2010 From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 15:38:22 +0100 Subject: Buzz-Fix and #1024 @ FOSDEM Message-ID: <9810E856-8A23-459E-A2A4-6717FECF51B8@computer.org> there is now a Buzz-Fix and #1024 fix opportunity at FOSDEM. Please go to the End of the hallway with the Stands. Opposite of the Room 1301 (Sallew Leon Cornil) you will find a booth where Openmokos and Nanonotes are shown. And a nice guy is sitting there with Soldering Iron waiting for your Openmoko. Nikolaus -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mobile Office Solutions by Golden Delicious Computers GmbH&Co. KG Buchenstr. 3 D-82041 Oberhaching +49-89-54290367 http://www.handheld-linux.com AG M?nchen, HRA 89571 VAT DE253626266 Komplement?r: Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH Oberhaching, AG M?nchen, HRB 16602 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller Digital Tools for Independent People -------------------------------------------------------------------- From neiljerram at googlemail.com Sat Feb 6 15:51:25 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 14:51:25 +0000 Subject: Experiment: better sound on remote end In-Reply-To: <20091202134744.GA15669@roque.1407.org> References: <20091202134744.GA15669@roque.1407.org> Message-ID: <49dd78621002060651h2d77e92cge09ee693647137f6@mail.gmail.com> On 2 December 2009 13:47, wrote: > > ? ? ? ?3. change control 63 (it's also on line 63), so that it ends in 3 rather than in 2: > ? ? ? ? * Old value: 63:'Mic Sidetone Mux':1:2 > ? ? ? ? * New value: 63:'Mic Sidetone Mux':1:3 I just rediscovered this improvement, by playing with alsamixer; then found this existing thread by googling. So: yes, I can confirm that changing 'Mic Sidetone Mux' from 'Mic 2' to 'Right PGA' improves call audio for my callees. My wife even described it as 'quite fine' :-). Regards, Neil From cvwillegen at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 16:53:17 2010 From: cvwillegen at gmail.com (Christ van Willegen) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:53:17 +0100 Subject: Buzz-Fix and #1024 @ FOSDEM In-Reply-To: <9810E856-8A23-459E-A2A4-6717FECF51B8@computer.org> References: <9810E856-8A23-459E-A2A4-6717FECF51B8@computer.org> Message-ID: Hello Nikolaus, On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > there is now a Buzz-Fix and #1024 fix opportunity at FOSDEM. Great news! Will this nice guy also be there tomorrow? See you tomorrow! Christ van Willegen From omega.xavier at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 16:54:35 2010 From: omega.xavier at gmail.com (Xavier Cremaschi) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:54:35 +0100 Subject: Experiment: better sound on remote end In-Reply-To: <49dd78621002060651h2d77e92cge09ee693647137f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091202134744.GA15669@roque.1407.org> <49dd78621002060651h2d77e92cge09ee693647137f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 06/02/2010 15:51, Neil Jerram wrote: > On 2 December 2009 13:47, wrote: >> >> 3. change control 63 (it's also on line 63), so that it ends in 3 rather than in 2: >> * Old value: 63:'Mic Sidetone Mux':1:2 >> * New value: 63:'Mic Sidetone Mux':1:3 > > I just rediscovered this improvement, by playing with alsamixer; then > found this existing thread by googling. > > So: yes, I can confirm that changing 'Mic Sidetone Mux' from 'Mic 2' > to 'Right PGA' improves call audio for my callees. My wife even > described it as 'quite fine' :-). > > Regards, > Neil But if you use the speaker (intone, podboy, mplayer...), don't you have sound only in one side (right in your case) ? From neiljerram at googlemail.com Sat Feb 6 17:00:08 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:00:08 +0000 Subject: Experiment: better sound on remote end In-Reply-To: References: <20091202134744.GA15669@roque.1407.org> <49dd78621002060651h2d77e92cge09ee693647137f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49dd78621002060800m7dab59f7t2e222c187566fa8f@mail.gmail.com> On 6 February 2010 15:54, Xavier Cremaschi wrote: > But if you use the speaker (intone, podboy, mplayer...), don't you have > sound only in one side (right in your case) ? I don't use speaker for calls. The change that I mentioned is only for gsmhandset.state, which is only used for phone calls. Neil From hns at computer.org Sat Feb 6 17:00:46 2010 From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 17:00:46 +0100 Subject: Buzz-Fix and #1024 @ FOSDEM In-Reply-To: <9810E856-8A23-459E-A2A4-6717FECF51B8@computer.org> References: <9810E856-8A23-459E-A2A4-6717FECF51B8@computer.org> Message-ID: Since we have been asked: this is not the official rework done by Handheld Linux (that is a paid rework company in Munich using stereo microscopes). I am just forwarding the news. Just go there, look and ask. At FOSDEM this is a really "free and open hardware rework". Tuxbrain is also there, openmoko.fr is there and many others. So you can also see the Qi Nanonote and the Sharp Netwalker. Nikolaus Am 06.02.2010 um 15:38 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: > there is now a Buzz-Fix and #1024 fix opportunity at FOSDEM. > > Please go to the End of the hallway with the Stands. Opposite of the > Room 1301 (Sallew Leon Cornil) you will find a booth where Openmokos > and Nanonotes are shown. And a nice guy is sitting there with > Soldering Iron waiting for your Openmoko. > > Nikolaus > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mobile Office Solutions > by Golden Delicious Computers GmbH&Co. KG > Buchenstr. 3 > D-82041 Oberhaching > +49-89-54290367 > http://www.handheld-linux.com > > AG M?nchen, HRA 89571 > VAT DE253626266 > Komplement?r: > Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH > Oberhaching, AG M?nchen, HRB 16602 > Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller > > Digital Tools for Independent People > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From hns at computer.org Sat Feb 6 17:01:26 2010 From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 17:01:26 +0100 Subject: Buzz-Fix and #1024 @ FOSDEM In-Reply-To: References: <9810E856-8A23-459E-A2A4-6717FECF51B8@computer.org> Message-ID: Am 06.02.2010 um 16:53 schrieb Christ van Willegen: > Hello Nikolaus, > > On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller > wrote: >> there is now a Buzz-Fix and #1024 fix opportunity at FOSDEM. > > Great news! > > Will this nice guy also be there tomorrow? I forgot to ask. But maybe he reads this mail and will answer himself tonight. > > See you tomorrow! > > Christ van Willegen > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From pini at debian.org Sat Feb 6 17:36:53 2010 From: pini at debian.org (Gilles Filippini) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:36:53 +0100 Subject: Experiment: better sound on remote end In-Reply-To: <49dd78621002060651h2d77e92cge09ee693647137f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091202134744.GA15669@roque.1407.org> <49dd78621002060651h2d77e92cge09ee693647137f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6D9AA5.7060508@debian.org> Neil Jerram a ?crit , Le 06/02/2010 15:51: > On 2 December 2009 13:47, wrote: >> 3. change control 63 (it's also on line 63), so that it ends in 3 rather than in 2: >> * Old value: 63:'Mic Sidetone Mux':1:2 >> * New value: 63:'Mic Sidetone Mux':1:3 ... > So: yes, I can confirm that changing 'Mic Sidetone Mux' from 'Mic 2' > to 'Right PGA' improves call audio for my callees. My wife even > described it as 'quite fine' :-). +1. I've been using this setting for one week now and I've the very same comment from my wife ;) And now I can take a call while being in a noisy train. BTW, this is also the default QtMoko setting, where I found it from. Please, could someone elaborate on *why* it would be to avoid[1] as a default setting? Thanks, _g. [1] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The change that I mentioned is only > for gsmhandset.state, which is only used for phone calls. > > Neil Forgot my question, it was another problem and the answer is here : Differences from Neo 1973 * There is only 1 (mono) built-in loud speaker (connected to LOUT1) instead of 2 (stereo). Xavier. From ml at vdm-design.de Sat Feb 6 17:54:44 2010 From: ml at vdm-design.de (Thomas Zimmermann) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 17:54:44 +0100 Subject: Buzz-Fix and #1024 @ FOSDEM In-Reply-To: References: <9810E856-8A23-459E-A2A4-6717FECF51B8@computer.org> Message-ID: <201002061754.44972.ml@vdm-design.de> Am Samstag 06 Februar 2010 17:01:26 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: > Am 06.02.2010 um 16:53 schrieb Christ van Willegen: > > Hello Nikolaus, > > > > On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller > > > > wrote: > >> there is now a Buzz-Fix and #1024 fix opportunity at FOSDEM. > > > > Great news! > > > > Will this nice guy also be there tomorrow? > > I forgot to ask. But maybe he reads this mail and will answer himself > tonight. > > > See you tomorrow! > > > > Christ van Willegen If he will be around tomorrow it would be nice, then i would show up after the talks of the OpenMoko devroom and the afterwards meetup have finished. Thomas From monto84 at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 20:57:38 2010 From: monto84 at gmail.com (Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:57:38 +0100 Subject: OM future Message-ID: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> Hi lists, hoping that some official OpenMoko employee is still reading this ml i'd like to know which are the plans for the future. There will be a GTA03?? If so are you working on it? So, the FR is a good thing, now it's 2 years old and you know, it has its problems (1024, buzz, glamo,...) so, i'd like to look forward and get a new wonderful device like this. So any news?? Thanks a lot! Pietro From raster at rasterman.com Sat Feb 6 21:29:28 2010 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 05:29:28 +0900 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20100207052928.6fe7ad67.raster@rasterman.com> On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:57:38 +0100 "Pietro \"m0nt0\" Montorfano" said: > Hi lists, > hoping that some official OpenMoko employee is still reading this ml i'd > like to know which are the plans for the future. There will be a GTA03?? bwahahahahahhaahha heheheheh. you didnt read this list a year or so ago? gta03 was canned? along with most of the company? (or they quit before that). you missed that bit? if you are after a gta03/4/5 from openmoko... you are barking up the wrong tree. > If so are you working on it? So, the FR is a good thing, now it's 2 > years old and you know, it has its problems (1024, buzz, glamo,...) so, > i'd like to look forward and get a new wonderful device like this. > So any news?? openmoko as morphed in a much smaller version of itself and does wikireader. as such openoko no longer has the money or skills to do phones. it struggled to manage the freerunner, and that was a every low-tech phone. to do a phone that is competitive with todays offerings from apple, nokia, htc, samsung, etc. etc. - you need big money and lots of people. LOTS. just the money to license a 3g module design alone is non-trivial. you are talking ballpark $1000000 on the table (setup license fee for example) just to begin thinking about it - not to mention needing the skills/people. then there is the rest of the supply-chain that needs big money and volumes to get what you want. also needing to do your own modem stack. this is how the big boys do it - thats why they can cut costs per unit for 3g to a small amount - openmoko can't do this. yes - u can get modules. they are big (physically and thus make the phone bulky) and expensive per unit. we are not even discussing the SoC's which don't come cheap for a modern one (cortex-a8 etc.) unless you buy in volume, and gps, wifi, screen etc. - the list goes on. your best bet is to get either an android pone and try and get normal linux onto it *or just begin loving android), or get a nokia n900 (though my experience is that its a pile of junk - as i sit here now with my n900 having bricked itself spontaneously over a week ago, so i'm without a phone, 6000km from home, not to mention that windows 3.1 seems like a paragon of stability and solid performance compared to the n900 - the n900 would literally crash and restart the whole ui very few minutes or sooner at times, but it'd do this at least 5-10 times per day at a minimum). or maybe a palm-pre and hack away at it with the webos-internals guys as its pretty much openemebdded under the hood just with palm's webos windowing system ui layer concepts vs x11 like openmoko and n900. or... you wait a little bit and see what's around the corner and brewing... and trust me... stuff *IS* brewing at much bigger device makers than openmoko ever was - who have the money and people to pull it off. keep your ears peeled. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From hns at computer.org Sat Feb 6 21:36:23 2010 From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 21:36:23 +0100 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Although I am not an official from OM I think I can answer some of your questions. See below. If I am wrong, I would be happy to be corrected... BR, Nikolaus Am 06.02.2010 um 20:57 schrieb Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano: > Hi lists, > hoping that some official OpenMoko employee is still reading this ml > i'd > like to know which are the plans for the future. There will be a > GTA03?? No. GTA03 development was cancelled last year in favour of the WikiReader. > If so are you working on it? So, the FR is a good thing, now it's 2 > years old and you know, it has its problems (1024, buzz, glamo,...) > so, These problems are now solved. There are either buzz / 1024 fixes around, some companies or nice guys offering them. And recently we have started to offer GTA02A7+ (where buzz and 1024 are already fixed). This is of course not done by OM, Inc. but others. But does that make any difference? For the GLAMO there has also been much progress. AFAIK, the official X.org server now supports it quite well. And the kernel has also been accelerated recently. > i'd like to look forward and get a new wonderful device like this. There is at least one public project: GTA02-core aiming at new devices like this (i.e. free&open smartphone platform). And, I know of at least one more project to be announced this year. > So any news?? Yes, many. But probably not from the sources you have looked at. They are not that aggregated and said by an official spokesperson. So there is no need to wait for OM, Inc. This is also the real benefit of that OM did open a lot of information and materials to secure the future of the Openmoko movement, even if the company does no longer participate. That is probably the best thing that did happen - to successfully seed an idea. > Thanks a lot! > > Pietro > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mobile Office Solutions by Golden Delicious Computers GmbH&Co. 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(glamo permitting...) d [1] http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Customize -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAksic64ACgkQda/40psHIUQ6QQCeIRkxbq0C9hENcZ2isWQWhfin SBEAn0R4H3lbGuEMT+NV03zWMtb1nJ9x =4FaL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From dscaini at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 21:50:46 2010 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:50:46 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] [shr-u] duplicate pacages In-Reply-To: <18db98c80912170154o34a42e0dkba2a080334de01d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B27A1AA.7010509@gmail.com> <18db98c80912150833x3070911cw45fee9d4b32ee6f8@mail.gmail.com> <4B280643.3090704@gmail.com> <18db98c80912170154o34a42e0dkba2a080334de01d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18db98c80912170816q2a92ca3bg91682786fea38db6@mail.gmail.com> Ok, removed and reinstalled, now I have univocity! Great thanks! d (I still miss a working phone... i can hear perfectly others but they hear me really bad, but i'll succeed) On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Davide Scaini wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Tom Hacohen wrote: > >> hm... >> >> Package: shr-settings >> >> Version: 1:0.1.1+gitr443+ef06fe86c49958673889671c46682c0b2f1d74d7-r8.4 >> Depends: python-elementary, python-dbus, python-codecs, python-shell, python-pyrtc, python, python-core, python-edbus, dbus-x11, frameworkd, python-phoneutils, python-pexpect, python-core >> >> >> >> Recommends: shr-settings-addons-illume, shr-settings-backup-configuration >> >> Provides: >> Status: install user installed >> Architecture: armv4t >> >> Package: shr-settings >> >> Version: 1:0.1.1+gitr438+b7edf9afabbd7152c6d94bc65fb5c98481f9dc60-r8.4 >> >> >> >> >> Depends: python-elementary, python-dbus, python-codecs, python-shell, python-pyrtc, python, python-core, python-edbus, dbus-x11, frameworkd, python-phoneutils, python-pexpect, python-core >> Recommends: shr-settings-addons-illume, shr-settings-backup-configuration >> >> >> >> >> Provides: >> Status: deinstall user installed >> Architecture: armv4t >> >> >> I'm not sure what deinstall means, but it sure looks like opkg crashed or >> something, I suggest you -force-remove shr-settings (until there won't be >> such package installed) and then install it again. >> -- >> Tom. >> >>> > Ok i'll give a try (then report)... 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On FR device: * setting power suspend off * setting password * restarting sshd * starting wi-fi and connecting to a network Logging in via ssh from a PC via wi-fi to FR: root at om-gta02 ~ $ opkg update;opkg upgrade;sleep 1;sync;sleep 1;sync;sleep 1;syn c ... Upgrading phonefsod on root from 0.0.0+gitr163+0bc4b96c16c79a977cda3e3499caab32190cccf1-r3.4 to 0.0.0+gitr169+f22c656a0cb0cb158aa42a39924069307542e97f-r4.4... Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/phonefsod_0.0.0+gitr169+f22c656a0cb0cb158aa42a39924069307542e97f-r4.4_armv4t.ipk Configuration file '/etc/phonefsod.conf' ==> File on system created by you or by a script. ==> File also in package provided by package maintainer. What would you like to do about it ? Your options are: Y or I : install the package maintainer's version N or O : keep your currently-installed version D : show the differences between the versions (if diff is installed) The default action is to keep your current version. *** phonefsod.conf (Y/I/N/O/D) [default=N] ? Y Upgrading task-shr-minimal-x on root from 2.0-r18.4 to 2.0-r19.4... ... Configuring task-shr-minimal-apps Configuring connman System startup links for /etc/init.d/connman already exist. Restarting Connection Manager >>(phone suspends thus interfering with upgrade configuration)<< I now assume that the installation is broken/inconsistent. - What can be done to resolve this issue? Backgrounding is not an option, because (among others) phonefsod upgrade phonefsod.conf question, might need inactive response: 3.12.3 Backgrounding and killing jobs. http://tldp.org/LDP/gs/node5.html#SECTION005123000000000000000 Qoute: "...just type an & after the command, something like # & ..." - Possible solution?: Is it possible to start a terminal window on the phone remotely and have output copied to the ssh window and the input copied to terminal window input? How? Or is X11 remote access to the phone screen a possible solution (how)? Or is there another (better) solution? Glenn _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From vfebvre at easter-eggs.com Sat Feb 6 21:51:01 2010 From: vfebvre at easter-eggs.com (Valery Febvre) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:51:01 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] [SHR-U] Podboy 1.0.0 In-Reply-To: <1261456890943-4202048.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <4B30157C.8050905@easter-eggs.com> <1261456890943-4202048.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B309FD1.4050109@easter-eggs.com> undrwater wrote: > > > Valery Febvre wrote: >> Hi, >> >> After 6 months of inactivity, here is a new release of Podboy. >> >> >> > Screenies look great. Here's what I'm getting: > > $ podboy > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/bin/podboy", line 24, in > from podboy import main > File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/podboy/__init__.py", line 1, in > > from podboy import * > File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/podboy/podboy.py", line 30, in > > from gui import * > File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/podboy/gui.py", line 27, in > > from database import db > File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/podboy/database.py", line 151, in > > db = PodboyDB() > File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/podboy/database.py", line 38, in > __init__ > self.cnx = sqlite3.connect(db_path) > sqlite3.OperationalError: unable to open database file > > sqlite is installed. Maybe a configuration thing? > During first run, the configuration folder (~/.config/podboy) was not created. Sorry for the inconvenience. A new package is available: Package: http://podboy.googlecode.com/files/podboy_1.0.1-r0_all.ipk -- Val?ry Febvre Valos _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From dscaini at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 21:51:03 2010 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:51:03 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] [shr-u] eve Message-ID: <4B2C187F.9010407@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 is that regular? opkg install eve Installing eve (0.0.1+svnr44424-r4.4) to root... Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/eve_0.0.1+svnr44424-r4.4_armv4t.ipk Installing libewebkit0 (0.1+gitr38213+3a5ee77664c898ed51a2b2d5759822f8c0a06472-r1.4) to root... Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/libewebkit0_0.1+gitr38213+3a5ee77664c898ed51a2b2d5759822f8c0a06472-r1.4_armv4t.ipk Collected errors: * Package libewebkit0 wants to install file /usr/share/webkit-1.0/resources/error.html But that file is already provided by package * libwebkit-1.0-2 * Cannot find package eve. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkssGH4ACgkQda/40psHIUR+3wCffido2kIQSmqAnlmHihN4U7KC xGAAn3oizgwSEc8Io421kBzahTjWtgbu =FENm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From vfebvre at easter-eggs.com Sat Feb 6 21:51:07 2010 From: vfebvre at easter-eggs.com (Valery Febvre) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:51:07 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] [SHR-U] Podboy 1.0.0 Message-ID: <4B30157C.8050905@easter-eggs.com> Hi, After 6 months of inactivity, here is a new release of Podboy. Changes in 1.0.0: * Added Bluetooth A2DP support * No more config file, now settings are stored in database * Fixed callbacks with new python-elementary (revision >= 43900) * Added date at the begin of episodes titles * Used InnerWindow widget instead of Window widget for confirmation dialogs * Added a confirm dialog when a single episode is deleted * Speed up startup (~3 seconds less) * Renamed Preferences into Settings. * Added "About" page * Many small fixes here and there Package: http://podboy.googlecode.com/files/podboy_1.0.0-r0_all.ipk ======================================================================== Podboy is a podcast aggregator/player written in Python/Elementary. Its interface aims to be easy and finger friendly. It uses Feedparser Python module for download/parsing of podcast feeds, Gstreamer for playing of episodes and SQLite for storing data. Features * Subscription, unsubscription (confirmation dialog) to podcasts * Check for new episodes * Download of a single episode or all available episodes * Delete an episode (confirmation dialog) * Player: play/pause/stop, mute, sliders for playing position of episodes and volume * Volume and playing positions of episodes are saved * Auto-suspend is disabled during playing * Playing is stopped on incoming GSM call * Bluetooth A2DP support Suggestions/feedback/bug reports are welcome. Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/podboy/ Screenshots: http://code.google.com/p/podboy/wiki/Screenshots Happy listening, -- Val?ry Febvre Valos _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From mickey at vanille-media.de Sat Feb 6 21:51:08 2010 From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:51:08 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] UBI success story In-Reply-To: <200912262125.57708.ml@chonyota.net> References: <200912262125.57708.ml@chonyota.net> Message-ID: <1261861364.709.38.camel@andromeda> Thanks for sharing. How's speed and reliability for ubifs? I wonder whether it's worth the hassle to switch, given that SD access should be even faster and much more convenient. Cheers, -- :M: _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From ml at chonyota.net Sat Feb 6 21:51:14 2010 From: ml at chonyota.net (Christoph Mair) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:51:14 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] UBI success story Message-ID: <200912262125.57708.ml@chonyota.net> Hello, I tried to use SHR the ubi images on my freerunner, but they did not work. Does someone know the parameters which are passed to mkfs.ubifs? I think that the ubi fileystem is created for NAND flashes with subpage support, but this feature does not work on the freerunner. Passing -s 2048 should create a working image (but I did not verify this yet). Using the ubi filesystem on the freerunner is not an easy task. A ubi image can't be flashed using nandwrite. I'm not sure about dfu-util, but probably it uses the same technique as nandwrite and therefore won't work too. I did a manual installation (untar SHR into a mounted ubifs) using archmobile installed on SD. If the SHR ubi image is created with the right parameters ubiformat or ubiupdatevol could be used to install the image. For a easy installation with dfu-util, u-boot would need support for ubi images. I used the newest kernel (om-gta02-2.6.32), but a older one should work too. Step-by-step, I did: - Prepare a SD card with archmobile. Any distro should work as long as it provides the mtd-utils package (ubiattach, ubimkvol, ..) - Copy the kernel to the SD-Card. I used the same kernel to create the ubi filesystem which will be used to run shr. This should not be necessary, but YMMV. - Boot from SD - ubiattach /dev/ubi_ctrl -m 6 -O 2048 If this does not work, try to run ubiformat /dev/mtd6 -s 2048 -O 2048 first. If this fails too, erase the flash with flash_eraseall /dev/mtd6. Now ubiattach should succeed. - ubimkvol /dev/ubi0 -N rootfs -m - mount -t ubifs ubi0:rootfs /mnt - tar -xzf -C /mnt - umount /mnt - ubidetach /dev/ubi_ctrl -m6 If everything worked you end up with a ubifs containing SHR, but it won't boot. ;) To fix this, we need to tell the kernel that the mtd partition 6 contains a ubi volume which contains the ubifs rootfs: rootfstype=ubifs ubi.mtd=6,2048 root=ubi0:rootfs. For a "normal" boot qi passes rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 to the kernel. Just changing the boot params within the kernel configuration does not work. Therefore I patched qi :) - Download a git snapshot and modify src/cpu/s3c2442/gta02.c. The interesting lines are at the bottom of the file. - Compile: make CPU=s3c2442 - Flash: dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D image/qi-s3c2442-master_*.udfu Do not forget to flash the kernel, if needed. Reboot. Good luck! Christoph P.S. My SHR is not working yet. There are some issues with kernel 2.6.32, but that's a different story. _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From ml at vdm-design.de Sat Feb 6 21:51:21 2010 From: ml at vdm-design.de (Thomas Zimmermann) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:51:21 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Bluetooth PBAP support for FSO Message-ID: <200912231831.14883.ml@vdm-design.de> I'm currently trying to add FSO support to obexd. With these plugins it will be possible to see missed calls and contacts from the FR (or any other phone running FSO) on a bluetooth device supporting PBAP (Phone Book Access Profile). Half of work is done. But now i'm looking for someone who can test the implementation for me. So is someone out there who owns a handsfree, car or sth else that supports showing contacts and/or missed calls over bluetooth? Please let me know. Greets Thomas _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From pander at users.sourceforge.net Sat Feb 6 21:51:21 2010 From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:51:21 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B3A6D37.7020204@users.sourceforge.net> Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? yes > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes > > What distribution you run most of the time? SHR > > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? > > > Thank you :) > > > r > _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From glenn.mh.dk at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 21:51:25 2010 From: glenn.mh.dk at gmail.com (Glenn) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:51:25 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Swap [ works ] In-Reply-To: References: <4B3145F5.9010809@SSpaeth.de> Message-ID: At 5:40 +0100 23/12/09, Glenn wrote: >At 23:19 +0100 22/12/09, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: >>On 12/22/09 21:14, Vaudano Luca wrote: >>> Thanks for the new testing image! >>> >>> I tried to follow the suggested steps for enabling my swap >>> http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/swap#Createaswapfile >>> but I had some blocking problem. >>> >>> The first time I arrived at the point 3 then the console freezed and >>> my fr went to the kernel panic (red light on the aux button) >>> So I restarted my phone and I made the point 4 and 5. I rebooted and >>> the phone was stuck in the console. >>> Therefore I decided to reflash the new image. With the fresh image I >>> remade the process from 1 to 5, except 3, >>> then I rebooted and again the phone stucks in the console. >> >>Sorry no. I created my swap file using these steps, and it worked like a >>charm. (Actually I haven't modified my /etc/fstab, and only turn on swap >>when I opkg upgrade, so I can't guarantee that this is the absolutely >>correct thing) >>But steps 1-3 should work without a glitch. I would be interested in >>other users feedback if it worked for them. >>Anyway a kernel oops is bad in any case and should be debugged. However >>that is beyond my capabilities. >> >>spaetz >>_______________________________________________ >>Shr-User mailing list >>Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org >>http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user Forgot some words: >Hi! > >For your information, I have used swap-file (384MB): >* 2 times with booting [and upgrading] from microSDHC partition. >* 2 times with booting [and upgrading] from NAND-flash partition. > >The first upgrade failed, because I forgot to use GNU screen in the >upgrade proces, I did tap the FR screen to prevent sleep every time >it went dark. > >Glenn _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From fey.peter at googlemail.com Sat Feb 6 21:51:27 2010 From: fey.peter at googlemail.com (Peter Fey) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:51:27 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1262122877.3046.4.camel@peter-laptop> Am Dienstag, den 29.12.2009, 22:30 +0200 schrieb Risto H. Kurppa: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? yes > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes, if downloading + listening to podcasts counts as pda usage > What distribution you run most of the time? an old shr unstable (from september or so) _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From risto at kurppa.fi Sat Feb 6 21:51:31 2010 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:51:31 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? Message-ID: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Do you use FR as your primary PDA? What distribution you run most of the time? If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Thank you :) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From dfokkema at ileos.nl Sat Feb 6 21:51:33 2010 From: dfokkema at ileos.nl (David Fokkema) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:51:33 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1262124769.24466.46.camel@achernar> On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 22:30 +0200, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes, lately with great satisfaction. > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? No, an N800 (which I owned way before my FR). > What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-testing (the revived one, ;-) > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? > > > Thank you :) > > > r > I'm looking forward to the results! David _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From vaudano at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 21:51:37 2010 From: vaudano at gmail.com (Vaudano Luca) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:51:37 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: <1262124769.24466.46.camel@achernar> References: <1262124769.24466.46.camel@achernar> Message-ID: 1) Yes 2) Yes 3) SHR-testing _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From atax at email.it Sat Feb 6 21:51:39 2010 From: atax at email.it (A.A.) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:51:39 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: <1262124769.24466.46.camel@achernar> Message-ID: <43bc49bd0912291454t6a35aedfjc9906c35e4b7e9fb@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/29 Vaudano Luca > 1) Yes > 2) Yes > 3) SHR-testing > _______________________________________________ > Shr-User mailing list > Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org > http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user > 1) No 2) No 3) Debian or Qtmoko. -- A.A. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100206/6bd7886d/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 21:51:39 2010 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:51:39 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 21:30, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes. > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes. I'm even programming on it ;) > What distribution you run most of the time? Of course latest SHR-unstable, being upgraded constantly for about year without reflashing ;) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From raster at rasterman.com Sat Feb 6 21:51:58 2010 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:51:58 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091230113736.c0b448cb.raster@rasterman.com> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:30:53 +0200 "Risto H. Kurppa" said: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? no. gathering dust. > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? no. gathering dust. > What distribution you run most of the time? no to both the above. but on other devices a mix of openembedded, debian, ubuntu or "do it yourself". > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? 1. i'd like something not crawlingly slow 2. i'd like to use the 3g data rates telcos offer here, but where their 2g data rates are much more expensive 3. i'd like it to work when i travel (going to korea and japan for example only 3g phones will work). 4. i want a touchscreen that is large enough to be really usable (as such the 2.8" lcd is really more like 2.2 or 2.4" thanks to the bezel - for input). 5. again speed, capacity, screen, baseband, usability. > Thank you :) > > > r > > -- > | risto h. kurppa > | risto at kurppa dot fi > | http://risto.kurppa.fi > _______________________________________________ > Shr-User mailing list > Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org > http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From christian.rueb at gmx.net Sat Feb 6 21:52:10 2010 From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-1?q?R=FCb?=) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:52:10 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200912301157.06447.christian.rueb@gmx.net> > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? not yet > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes > What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-U > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? Have not switched over to FR yet, but still using my 9y old Nokia as PIM is not sufficient on FR yet. _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From jeesmann at gmx.de Sat Feb 6 21:52:19 2010 From: jeesmann at gmx.de (Joerg Eesmann) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:52:19 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1262171986.6569.5.camel@fred.uchi.de> On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 22:30 +0200, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes > What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-U, but will try QTMoko also > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? Sound during calling is still an issue for me. Addressee of my calls are still complaining, even after buzz fix... > Thank you :) Thank You! _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From jackramone at googlemail.com Sat Feb 6 21:52:21 2010 From: jackramone at googlemail.com (Jakob) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:52:21 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <85aed13c0912300320m4b4e5f79s5e4a283074cda83@mail.gmail.com> On 12/29/09, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? yes > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes > What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-U > Thank you :) You're welcome Jake _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From david at garabana.com Sat Feb 6 21:52:32 2010 From: david at garabana.com (David Garabana Barro) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:52:32 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200912301400.12933.david@garabana.com> On Tuesday 29 December 2009 21:30:53 Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? No > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes. > What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-u > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? Using my old Nokia, waiting for better PIM on FR. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? yes > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? > yes > What distribution you run most of the time? > SHR-U/qtmoko > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? > > > Thank you :) > > > r > _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From maxposedon at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 21:52:47 2010 From: maxposedon at gmail.com (Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:52:47 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <792ba59f0912300809n3656982dx1e3217781396ba02@mail.gmail.com> On 12/29/09, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? > > What distribution you run most of the time? > > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? > > > Thank you :) Yes Yes SHR-U/playing with Gentoo _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From undrwater at verizon.net Sat Feb 6 21:52:55 2010 From: undrwater at verizon.net (Russell Dwiggins) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:52:55 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0AD1F8588E624C7FAB25EEFBC48ACA3B@felix> |Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Sometimes |Do you use FR as your primary PDA? No |What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-U |If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change |over to, and why? No changes yet, but still use Treo 650 because of PIM and Bluetooth headset. Once these things are stable, I think I can make the daily move. Since my Treo is falling apart, and since the distros are taking a long time to be ready (I don't blame anyone), the n900 is looking attractive. I'd rather stay open, though. | |Thank you :) Thank YOU! [Russell Dwiggins] | | _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From hans at everlasting.be Sat Feb 6 21:52:55 2010 From: hans at everlasting.be (Hans Zimmerman) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:52:55 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B3C4EDE.7040600@everlasting.be> Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? yes > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes > > What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-Testing > > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? > I need to switch to another phone when calling my grandmother, surely she doesn't hear very well any more but there still seems to be a audio/voice quality. I'm surprised so many people in this thread mention this. Hans _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From methril at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 21:52:56 2010 From: methril at gmail.com (Rafael Campos) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:52:56 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? NO > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes > > What distribution you run most of the time? > SHR-Unstable with own apps > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? A little more stabilitiy, but i consider it as a hacking device, and you could not hack it if you are using it as a daily phone ;) Maybe with some distro evolution.... I lack time to test all the distros. > > > Thank you :) > You are wellcome > > r > > -- > | risto h. kurppa > | risto at kurppa dot fi > | http://risto.kurppa.fi > _______________________________________________ > Shr-User mailing list > Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org > http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user > -- ___________ Rafael Campos o0 Methril 0o http://openblog.methril.net/ _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From ml at vdm-design.de Sat Feb 6 21:53:18 2010 From: ml at vdm-design.de (Thomas Zimmermann) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:53:18 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200912311506.14438.ml@vdm-design.de> Am Dienstag 29 Dezember 2009 21:30:53 schrieb Risto H. Kurppa: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? No > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? No > What distribution you run most of the time? SHR unstable > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? Palm Pre (but never used FR as primary phone), i'm seeing the FR as my toy. _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl Sat Feb 6 21:53:21 2010 From: Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl (Patryk Benderz) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:53:21 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] [Community Updates] 2009-12-31 released. Message-ID: <1262270871.4491.210.camel@ESP-PATBEN-LIN> Hello everybody, recent Community Update is out and ready! Take a look at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/current and contribute to the new draft at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2010-01-14 -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From dscaini at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 21:53:35 2010 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:53:35 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18db98c80912311047x40e0689bi47e493be2a0b59ff@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? > Not yet hoping to fix the audio quality issue (I had a buzz fix but still not usable in calls - if you have some idea how to configure frameworkd.conf please reply to the thread on shr-users list "[shr-user] fine tuning audio") > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? > > Yes > What distribution you run most of the time? > > SHR-U (and shr-t on nand). I have to say that i used a lot debian (but missing a confortable input system, because of very old illume); tried several times android, and latest one from community was great, but I don't want to flash it on my nand. > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? > > A dumb phone just to call. I hate smartphones and fr can't place a call with good quality (and i suspect i'm affected from 1024 bug). > > Thank you :) > > you're welcome :P > > r > > -- > | risto h. kurppa > | risto at kurppa dot fi > | http://risto.kurppa.fi > _______________________________________________ > Shr-User mailing list > Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org > http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100206/bb8c44dc/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From daniel.l.staley at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 21:53:37 2010 From: daniel.l.staley at gmail.com (Dan Staley) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:53:37 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? > Yes > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? > > Yes....I guess. Though I don't use it in the PDA sense for much other than playing games and ssh'ing into my home pc. > What distribution you run most of the time? > > SHR-U/T until recently. I've started trying some of the other distros available. Currently am playing with Android. > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? > > > Thank you :) > > > r > > -- > | risto h. kurppa > | risto at kurppa dot fi > | http://risto.kurppa.fi > _______________________________________________ > Shr-User mailing list > Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org > http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can be fixed with capacitors, but that won't be free and it won't help with the slowness problem. A BT headset will probably solve my sound issues, and can be carried over to future phones. But it means an extra device to bring, and another battery to charge. :-/ * Slowness. Of course, the new SHR-U helped. And we may still see improvements in X and elsewhere. Still, it seems the device has a slow memory bus, a slow connection to its SDcard, and slow graphics. It is useable, but a really snappy phone could be tempting. IF it runs a user-modifiable linux, that is! Helge Hafting -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The new SHR-U has that for you. :-) [...] > GPRS and WIFI are too unstable for any real connection, so no web or email. My experience is that GPRS has been stable for a long time, and WIFI is fine _if_ the phone don't suspend. So keep it on, either by plugging in power, or by turning suspend off in shr-settings. There is one annoying problem if several of GPRS/USB/WIFI is used - the last one to be used changes /etc/resolv.conf, and if that connection quits then the remaining ones may fail to look up names. Can be fixed by restarting the remaining connection. >And bluetooth is just not there (no GUI == not there for the user). >Does anyone else have trouble doing opkg ugrade over gprs? mine hangs >after a bit. I never tried that - but make sure the thing doesn't suspend. Plug in power, or turn suspend off. Helge Hafting -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I read that only a few phones are affected by the buzz problem but nearly all (including the buzz fixed ones) have major problems with audio quality (noise, echo). So I wonder whether it's worth to get such a fix. Jens _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From risto at kurppa.fi Sat Feb 6 21:54:02 2010 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:54:02 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes (GPS and GPRS&IRC, for other tasks I use my eeepc) > What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-testing > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? I had to go back to my wife's old Nokia but after #1024 fix (http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2009/12/fixing-openmoko-hardware-bug-1024/) I upgraded to latest SHR-testing and got many issues fixed (battery life and audio quality improved a lot). > Thank you :) Thank you :) -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 21:54:02 2010 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:54:02 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: <20100102193354.0de23617@vanek.robe.cz> References: <1262248305.4491.199.camel@ESP-PATBEN-LIN> <4B3F4209.6050402@users.sourceforge.net> <20100102140754.679f3f22@vanek.robe.cz> <20100102193354.0de23617@vanek.robe.cz> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 19:33, Petr Vanek wrote: >>> WTF? > > Not necessary here IMHO. Sorry, I'm not native speaker, so this doesn't have such strong meaning for me, maybe WTH could be better ;) >>>Sent sms storage is implemented for quite long time... They are >>> just displayed together with incoming ones, as there is no different >>> view for sent messages yet. >>> >>> And thanks for reminding us about 386, it probably should be closed >>> now :) > > thanks for reopening the bug for the missing view. i am testing this > now and for some reason i can receive sms from other people, i can also > send sms and yes, can see them in the inbox (great, thank you) but when > sending sms to myself, never seem to receive (or perhaps just see?) the > message in inbox. this led me to the conclusion sent messages are not > saved because for a message from me to me i can see just one message > and not two. this is on shr-u, upgraded today. That can be bug then, I'll try to check it (I'm sure it doesn't happen when sending from opimd-utils) >>And that strange GPRS issue (which is even more strange to me, because >>I never had that on my FR :x) is going to be resolved soon with >>ogsmd->fsogsmd transition (which is also going to give us nice >>performance boost) > > just because you never had it does not mean it doesn't exist. i know I perfectly know that, read again what I wrote and don't worry :P > about the ogsmd->fsogsmd transition and am eagerly waiting for it, > holding by breath and wishing Mickey will manage to have it done before > jumping to his other duties. > > strangely enough, i didn't have the GPRS issue for some time before > Christmas, now it bites every time i use gprs. > >> And >to not spread FUD :P) > > looking at the tickets (reopened and existing), i am aware of being > constructively critical but not FUD spreading. Well, both of SHR tickets you mentioned were closed when you wrote that mail. One of them I reopened after I read it, but due to other reasons than mentioned in your mail (as I removed storing sent messages and also few other already implemented things from this ticket). Maybe, again, FUD is too strong wording, but still your point wasn't valid ;) > cheers > > Petr -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From mok at mnet-online.de Sat Feb 6 21:54:02 2010 From: mok at mnet-online.de (Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:54:02 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100102200452.GA24961@mrdenker.palutemo> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes yes > What distribution you run most of the time? > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? SHR unstable > Thank you :) > r -- Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From seba.dos1 at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 21:54:17 2010 From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:54:17 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: <4B3CEB64.7010004@sapo.pt> <4B3F3E8C.6040707@sapo.pt> Message-ID: On 1/2/10, Helge Hafting wrote: >> >> >Does anyone else have trouble doing opkg ugrade over gprs? mine hangs >> >after a bit. >> I never tried that - but make sure the thing doesn't suspend. >> >> >> The problem happens somewhere between the wget application and the kernel >> stack. >> It shows up with larger files being downloaded. Not too large, a few dozen >> kB is enough. >> When I see it happening, I repeat the wget download that opkg was trying >> to do, and I can see that wget is >> actually in "stalled" state after the first kB. If I retry the download >> with the "continue" option, it >> eventually downloads the whole file, retry after retry, chunk by chunk. >> This only happens with GPRS, so I assume it is related to kernel or pppd >> or around this... > > Have you tried a different kernel? The kernel is in a separate flash, so > upgrading the root filesystem > doesn't change the kernel, it must be installed separately. It could help - > if it is a kernel problem. > > If nothing helps, consider trying a different phone company. The problem > could be there too. > > Helge Hafting AFAIR there was some problem like that with GSM firmware. Do you have it upgraded? -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From helge.hafting at hist.no Sat Feb 6 21:54:19 2010 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:54:19 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? References: <4B3CEB64.7010004@sapo.pt> <4B3F3E8C.6040707@sapo.pt> Message-ID: > > >Does anyone else have trouble doing opkg ugrade over gprs? mine hangs > >after a bit. > I never tried that - but make sure the thing doesn't suspend. > > > The problem happens somewhere between the wget application and the kernel stack. > It shows up with larger files being downloaded. Not too large, a few dozen kB is enough. > When I see it happening, I repeat the wget download that opkg was trying to do, and I can see that wget is > actually in "stalled" state after the first kB. If I retry the download with the "continue" option, it > eventually downloads the whole file, retry after retry, chunk by chunk. > This only happens with GPRS, so I assume it is related to kernel or pppd or around this... Have you tried a different kernel? The kernel is in a separate flash, so upgrading the root filesystem doesn't change the kernel, it must be installed separately. It could help - if it is a kernel problem. 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Passing -s 2048 should create a > working image (but I did not verify this yet). Params are in: http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/conf/machine/om-gta02.conf MKUBIFS_ARGS = "-m 2048 -e 129024 -c 2047" for mkfs.ubifs UBINIZE_ARGS = "-m 2048 -p 128KiB -s 512" for ubinize So I don't see param for subpage setting for mkfs.ubifs, its only in ubinize, but it didn't help for my NAND, even when I prepare ubi volume on neo with -s 2048 -O 2048 and then try to updatevol with full image (small image like initramfs-kexecboot works for me just fine). That's why I didn't push patch for setting it in UBINIZE_ARGS. > Using the ubi filesystem on the freerunner is not an easy task. A ubi image > can't be flashed using nandwrite. I'm not sure about dfu-util, but probably it > uses the same technique as nandwrite and therefore won't work too. I did a > manual installation (untar SHR into a mounted ubifs) using archmobile > installed on SD. If the SHR ubi image is created with the right parameters > ubiformat or ubiupdatevol could be used to install the image. For a easy > installation with dfu-util, u-boot would need support for ubi images. > > I used the newest kernel (om-gta02-2.6.32), but a older one should work too. I had more issues with kernels older than 2.6.32. > To fix this, we need to tell the kernel that the mtd partition 6 contains a ubi > volume which contains the ubifs rootfs: rootfstype=ubifs ubi.mtd=6,2048 > root=ubi0:rootfs. > For a "normal" boot qi passes rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 to the > kernel. Just changing the boot params within the kernel configuration does not > work. Therefore I patched qi :) Ah great!, thanks -- uin:136542059 jid:Martin.Jansa at gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jamasip at voip.wengo.fr JaMa _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From vfebvre at easter-eggs.com Sat Feb 6 21:54:33 2010 From: vfebvre at easter-eggs.com (Valery Febvre) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:54:33 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] [SHR] Podboy 1.1.0 Message-ID: <4B41282E.8000407@easter-eggs.com> Hi, A new version of Podboy is available. Very small changes in this version but I think that "release early, release often" is a good practice. Changes in 1.1.0: * Unplayed episodes can now be identified by a yellow star. * Unplayed/played status of episodes can be manually toggled via a new entry named "Toggle Played Status" in the "Actions" combobox of "Episodes" page. * Add possibility to show details of episodes before to play them via a new entry named "Show Details" in the "Actions" comboxbox of "Episodes" page. Package: http://podboy.googlecode.com/files/podboy_1.1.0-r0_all.ipk ======================================================================== Podboy is a podcast aggregator/player written in Python/Elementary. Its interface aims to be easy and finger friendly. It uses Feedparser Python module for download/parsing of podcast feeds, Gstreamer for playing of episodes and SQLite for storing data. Features * Subscription, unsubscription to podcasts * Check for new episodes * Download of a single episode or all available episodes * Delete of a single episode or all episodes * Player: play/pause/stop, mute, sliders for playing position of episodes and volume * Volume and playing positions of episodes are saved * Auto-suspend is disabled during playing * Playing is stopped on incoming GSM call * Bluetooth A2DP support Suggestions/feedback/bug reports are welcome. Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/podboy/ Screenshots: http://code.google.com/p/podboy/wiki/Screenshots Happy listening, -- Val?ry Febvre Valos _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From billk at iinet.net.au Sat Feb 6 21:54:36 2010 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:54:36 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR Message-ID: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus> What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? I want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ... The android phones (htc dream?) - none of which are fully functional on FSO/SHR (I think), and access through android to the underlying system is minimal. Flow - good but pricy, and unless I am looking at the design wrong, there is only one adapter/interface socket so you can have a phone, or a GSM device, but not both at the same time. Nokia n900 - probably the best choice at this time. What others are available NOW? BillK -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From ml at chonyota.net Sat Feb 6 21:54:48 2010 From: ml at chonyota.net (Christoph Mair) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:54:48 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] UBI success story Message-ID: <201001041437.14500.ml@chonyota.net> [sent again to reach the mailing lists] On Sunday 03 January 2010 13:11:52 Martin Jansa wrote: > On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 09:25:57PM +0100, Christoph Mair wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I tried to use SHR the ubi images on my freerunner, but they did not > > work. Does someone know the parameters which are passed to mkfs.ubifs? I > > think that the ubi fileystem is created for NAND flashes with subpage > > support, but this feature does not work on the freerunner. Passing -s > > 2048 should create a working image (but I did not verify this yet). > > Params are in: > http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/conf/machine/om-gta0 > 2.conf > > MKUBIFS_ARGS = "-m 2048 -e 129024 -c 2047" > for mkfs.ubifs > > UBINIZE_ARGS = "-m 2048 -p 128KiB -s 512" > for ubinize > > So I don't see param for subpage setting for mkfs.ubifs, its only in > ubinize, but it didn't help for my NAND, even when I prepare ubi volume on > neo with -s 2048 -O 2048 and then try to updatevol with full image (small > image like initramfs-kexecboot works for me just fine). That's why I > didn't push patch for setting it in UBINIZE_ARGS. Yes, my fault. mkfs.ubifs does not care about subpages. The critical point here is the logical eraseblock size: Quote from http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/ubi.html#L_subpage: "Indeed, let's consider a NAND flash with 128KiB eraseblocks and 2048-byte pages. If it does not have sub-pages, UBI puts the the VID header at physical offset 2048, so LEB size becomes 124KiB (128KiB minus one NAND page which stores the EC header and minus another NAND page which stores the VID header." Therefore the params should be: MKUBIFS_ARGS = "-m 2048 -e 126976 -c 2047" With these parameters, I successfully wrote a ubifs image to a ubi volume: flash_eraseall /dev/mtd6 ubiattach /dev/ubi_ctrl -m6 -O 2048 ubimkvol /dev/ubi0 -m -Nrootfs ubiupdatevol /dev/ubi0_0 test.ubifs mount -t ubifs ubi0_0 /mnt/ The first step (flash_eraseall) is optional and only needed if ubiattach fails. IMHO the ubinize params should be UBINIZE_ARGS = "-m 2048 -p 128KiB -s 2048" but until now I did not get this to work. I can write the image (sometimes it needs a few tries) but mount does not work. > > To fix this, we need to tell the kernel that the mtd partition 6 contains > > a ubi volume which contains the ubifs rootfs: rootfstype=ubifs > > ubi.mtd=6,2048 root=ubi0:rootfs. > > For a "normal" boot qi passes rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 to the > > kernel. Just changing the boot params within the kernel configuration > > does not work. Therefore I patched qi :) > > Ah great!, thanks Remember that ubi0:rootfs specifies the volume name. The current ubinize.cfg sets this name to om-gta02-rootfs, so change this to ubi0:om-gta02-rootfs Christoph _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From martin.jansa at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 21:55:01 2010 From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:55:01 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] UBI success story In-Reply-To: <201001041437.14500.ml@chonyota.net> References: <201001041437.14500.ml@chonyota.net> Message-ID: <20100104135210.GK3202@jama> On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 02:37:14PM +0100, Christoph Mair wrote: > Quote from http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/ubi.html#L_subpage: > "Indeed, let's consider a NAND flash with 128KiB eraseblocks and 2048-byte > pages. If it does not have sub-pages, UBI puts the the VID header at physical > offset 2048, so LEB size becomes 124KiB (128KiB minus one NAND page which > stores the EC header and minus another NAND page which stores the VID header." > > Therefore the params should be: > MKUBIFS_ARGS = "-m 2048 -e 126976 -c 2047" Yeah, I notided the same yesterday in failing mount command (it said that superblock is wrong because of having wrong leb size, so updated it locally too). > With these parameters, I successfully wrote a ubifs image to a ubi volume: > flash_eraseall /dev/mtd6 > ubiattach /dev/ubi_ctrl -m6 -O 2048 > ubimkvol /dev/ubi0 -m -Nrootfs > ubiupdatevol /dev/ubi0_0 test.ubifs > mount -t ubifs ubi0_0 /mnt/ > > The first step (flash_eraseall) is optional and only needed if ubiattach fails. I it "worked" for me too with just flash_eraseall /dev/mtd6 nandwrite /dev/mtd6 shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20100103-om-gta02.rootfs.ubi but first attempt it worked with only IO errors about few unreadable PEBs. After reboot mount always failed after about a minute with "Segmentation fault" and once with kernel panic - with 2.6.32.2. > IMHO the ubinize params should be > UBINIZE_ARGS = "-m 2048 -p 128KiB -s 2048" I also had -O 2048 there.. > but until now I did not get this to work. I can write the image (sometimes it > needs a few tries) but mount does not work. As said above for me it worked just once after nandwrite. :/ Cheers, -- uin:136542059 jid:Martin.Jansa at gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jamasip at voip.wengo.fr JaMa _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From michael_zanetti at gmx.net Sat Feb 6 21:55:07 2010 From: michael_zanetti at gmx.net (Michael Zanetti) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:55:07 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Buzz fix (Was: Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?) In-Reply-To: <20100101193503.GA9892@merkur.sol.de> References: <4B3E3E5D.60406@hvemder.dk> <20100101193503.GA9892@merkur.sol.de> Message-ID: <201001041853.09875.michael_zanetti@gmx.net> On Friday 01 January 2010 20:35:03 Jens Seidel wrote: > On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 07:26:37PM +0100, Esben Damgaard wrote: > > Yes and no. I have two Freerunners (and a gta01 that collects dust). One > > without buzzfix. Using it for testing, programming and playing. > > Other one with buzzfix and using it as primary phone. > > I'm curious, do you notice any difference between the buzz fixed one and > the other? I read that only a few phones are affected by the buzz problem > but nearly all (including the buzz fixed ones) have major problems with > audio quality (noise, echo). I own a rev. A5 freerunner and was seriously affected by the buzz problem. After applying the hardware fix the audio quality improved a lot. Before the fix there was no chance to use the FR as a phone. However, the audio quality was never as good as on a friends rev A7 FR (without buzz-fix). I did a lot of experimenting and tweaking with all possible audio parameters but the volume has always been either too low or distorted. He just uses the default audio configs and has nearly no problems with sound quality. > > So I wonder whether it's worth to get such a fix. > It is definetly worth it if you, or better said your call partner expierences a rather loud buzz. The fix will remove that buzz but won't fix other issues like rustling, echo or low volume. Those issues can mostly be addressed with software. Hope that helps, Michael -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. 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I have two Freerunners (and a gta01 that collects dust). > One > > > without buzzfix. Using it for testing, programming and playing. > > > Other one with buzzfix and using it as primary phone. > > > > I'm curious, do you notice any difference between the buzz fixed one and > > the other? I read that only a few phones are affected by the buzz > problem > > but nearly all (including the buzz fixed ones) have major problems with > > audio quality (noise, echo). > > I own a rev. A5 freerunner and was seriously affected by the buzz problem. > After applying the hardware fix the audio quality improved a lot. Before > the > fix there was no chance to use the FR as a phone. > > However, the audio quality was never as good as on a friends rev A7 FR > (without buzz-fix). I did a lot of experimenting and tweaking with all > possible audio parameters but the volume has always been either too low or > distorted. He just uses the default audio configs and has nearly no > problems > with sound quality. > > > > > So I wonder whether it's worth to get such a fix. > > > > It is definetly worth it if you, or better said your call partner > expierences > a rather loud buzz. The fix will remove that buzz but won't fix other > issues > like rustling, echo or low volume. Those issues can mostly be addressed > with > software. > " The fix will remove that buzz but won't fix other issues like rustling, echo or low volume. Those issues can mostly be addressed with software. " The same happened to me, but i didn't find a viable software cnfiguration to use the fr as a phone. What about you? I'm really looking forward to replace my nokia N70 with fr for calls... d > Hope that helps, > Michael > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100206/18457b2b/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From helge.hafting at hist.no Sat Feb 6 21:55:14 2010 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:55:14 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: <4B3CEB64.7010004@sapo.pt> <4B3F3E8C.6040707@sapo.pt> Message-ID: <4B4328F7.90307@hist.no> Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: > AFAIR there was some problem like that with GSM firmware. Do you have > it upgraded? Yes, but I upgraded it long before the first time I tried GPRS. So perhaps there were problems before that. The phone functionality improved with the GSM firmware update - no more people complaining they called me while nothing happened on the device. Helge Hafting _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From dehqan65 at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 21:55:18 2010 From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (dehqan65) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:55:18 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] why GPS is not in resources list ? (devs see framewrokd log) Message-ID: <267bb6671001051358v852bd71i9f16ffc53bb15799@mail.gmail.com> In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful Hello; This is frameworkd.log > http://pastebin.com/me4626ff Traceback : KeyError: '/dev/ttySAC1' gpsdev = globals()[devname]( controller.bus, channel ) Also : root at om-gta02 ~ $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage \ > org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy GPS enabled /org/freesmartphone/Usage: SetResourcePolicy failed: org.freesmartphone.Usage.ResourceUnknown (Resource GPS had never been registered) Regards dehqan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The source code is available > from this URL: > > > http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/ringtones/file/tip > > It uses the signalgen package. > Problem with building it : root at alabd:/media/disk1/all/soft/openmoko/ringtones-4c84dc2dcdd4# ksh build_package.ksh *** Warning: The following files have a UID greater than 99. You probably want to chown these to a system user: drwxrwxrwx 3 alabd alabd 4096 2010-01-05 19:06 ./usr drwxrwxrwx 3 alabd alabd 4096 2010-01-05 19:06 ./usr/share drwxrwxrwx 2 alabd alabd 4096 2010-01-05 19:06 ./usr/share/sounds -rwxrwxrwx 1 alabd alabd 132344 2009-12-06 06:19 ./usr/share/sounds/five_tones.wav -rwxrwxrwx 1 alabd alabd 22094 2009-12-06 06:19 ./usr/share/sounds/t05004000.wav -rwxrwxrwx 1 alabd alabd 44144 2009-12-06 06:19 ./usr/share/sounds/t10004000.wav *** Error: CONTROL/control is missing field Source The Source field contain the URL's or filenames of the source code and any patches used to build this package. 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Today I successfully booted ubifs rootfs with Qi too (I'm using 2.6.32, max_posedon seems happy with standard shr kernel - 2.6.29-rc3). 2.6.32 won't suspend yet (WSOD) but its imho a bit faster. just after few steps: 1) booting 2.6.32 kernel on uSD http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/2.6.32/images/om-gta02/ download uImage to /boot download modules and untar it to / update uImage link in /boot 2) flash image flash_eraseall /dev/mtd6 nandwrite -p /dev/mtd6 shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20100105-om-gta02.rootfs.ubi (almost the same ubinized image will finish build in few mins as http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20100105-om-gta02.rootfs.ubi) 3) then test if it works ubiattach /dev/ubi_ctrl -O 2048 -m 6 mount -t ubifs ubi0:om-gta02-rootfs /media/om ls /media/om 3) update Qi with dfu-util qi built here http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ is still using jffs2 in kernel params but you can you binary from here http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr.images/om-gta02/qi-s3c2442-1.0.2+gitr0+c38b062a609f1442e6a9e13005cfbdfd59a5ac0d.udfu or build Qi yourself with bitbake from latest shr/merge branch + this patch: http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr.images/om-gta02/0014-qi-update-kernel-params-for-ubi-rootfs.patch 4) flash 2.6.32 also to NAND 5) boot it, test it, play with it max_posedon provided some bonnie++ results from UBI, please run bonnie++ on jffs2 if you have jffs2 partition (bonnie++ is now in shr-unstable feeds). root at localhost / $ bonnie\+\+ -u 0:0 Using uid:0, gid:0. Writing with putc()...done Writing intelligently...done Rewriting...done Reading with getc()...done Reading intelligently...done start 'em...done...done...done... Create files in sequential order...done. Stat files in sequential order...done. Delete files in sequential order...done. Create files in random order...done. Stat files in random order...done. Delete files in random order...done. Version 1.03c ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- --Random- -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks-- Machine Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP /sec %CP localhost 300M 1512 72 4878 60 2696 58 1587 98 5519 96 640.6 96 ------Sequential Create------ --------Random Create-------- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- files /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP 16 889 98 2619 99 802 95 883 97 15728 87 640 98 localhost,300M,1512,72,4878,60,2696,58,1587,98,5519,96,640.6,96,16,889,98,2619,99,802,95,883,97,15728,87,640,98 Cheers, -- uin:136542059 jid:Martin.Jansa at gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jamasip at voip.wengo.fr JaMa _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From dehqan65 at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 21:55:30 2010 From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (dehqan65) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:55:30 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] why GPS is not in resources list ? (devs see framewrokd log) In-Reply-To: <49dd78621001051701w15271dc5se6377c946d6e4a74@mail.gmail.com> References: <267bb6671001051358v852bd71i9f16ffc53bb15799@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78621001051701w15271dc5se6377c946d6e4a74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <267bb6671001060207q191b0967t99df848080ffd377@mail.gmail.com> In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful hello; OS : SHR testing (Rootfs ver. ) App : Navit that is installed with opkg instal navit . (ver. 0.2.0) FR : A7 Regards dehqan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(devs see framewrokd log) In-Reply-To: <267bb6671001060207q191b0967t99df848080ffd377@mail.gmail.com> References: <267bb6671001051358v852bd71i9f16ffc53bb15799@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78621001051701w15271dc5se6377c946d6e4a74@mail.gmail.com> <267bb6671001060207q191b0967t99df848080ffd377@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1262775410.19470.95.camel@rattus> On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 13:37 +0330, dehqan65 wrote: > In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful > > hello; > > OS : SHR testing (Rootfs ver.) > App : Navit that is installed with opkg instal navit . (ver. 0.2.0) > FR : A7 > > Regards dehqan > Does it work without navit? - settings/location/manual mode and turn on. It will eventually get lock if its working and doesnt have a corrupt agps data file. Have you removed the pickle file? - settings/locations/remove agps data Have you removed the battery for a few minutes? - I find that when gps dies, this is sometimes the only thing that will get it back. BillK _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From kichkasch at gmx.de Sat Feb 6 21:55:41 2010 From: kichkasch at gmx.de (Michael Pilgermann) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:55:41 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Openmoko projects page down Message-ID: <4B44D587.509@gmx.de> Dear all, I have experienced problems in accessing the Openmoko Projects web page (http://projects.openmoko.org/) for a couple of days now; always receiving the following error message: "OpenMokoProjects Could Not Connect to Database: " I am using this page for my development projects; any idea, whom to contact to getting this resolved? Thanks in advance; best regards Michael PS: I heart rumours, that the maintainer has disappeared.? Any more input on that? How could (instead) restart the web- and database servers? PPS: Do you know any other good place to host projects for the Freerunner / SHR? _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From kichkasch at gmx.de Sat Feb 6 21:55:46 2010 From: kichkasch at gmx.de (Michael Pilgermann) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:55:46 -0000 Subject: [Shr-Devel] Openmoko projects page down Message-ID: <4B44D587.509@gmx.de> Dear all, I have experienced problems in accessing the Openmoko Projects web page (http://projects.openmoko.org/) for a couple of days now; always receiving the following error message: "OpenMokoProjects Could Not Connect to Database: " I am using this page for my development projects; any idea, whom to contact to getting this resolved? Thanks in advance; best regards Michael PS: I heart rumours, that the maintainer has disappeared.? Any more input on that? How could (instead) restart the web- and database servers? PPS: Do you know any other good place to host projects for the Freerunner / SHR? _______________________________________________ Shr-devel mailing list Shr-devel at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-devel From dehqan65 at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 21:55:59 2010 From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (dehqan65) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:55:59 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] why GPS is not in resources list ? (devs see framewrokd log) In-Reply-To: <1262775410.19470.95.camel@rattus> References: <267bb6671001051358v852bd71i9f16ffc53bb15799@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78621001051701w15271dc5se6377c946d6e4a74@mail.gmail.com> <267bb6671001060207q191b0967t99df848080ffd377@mail.gmail.com> <1262775410.19470.95.camel@rattus> Message-ID: <267bb6671001061117p4ba739dtad1b51f60a69170b@mail.gmail.com> In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful hello; Problem solved . it occured with bad device name in /var/log/frameworkd.log Regards dehqan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(if it is unlikely to be continued, I would rather start migrating the content from there) ... Bringing me to my next question (all?) - what would be an adaquate location for hosting application level projects for Openmoko? Any experience? -> I really liked the idea and functionality (SVN, WIKI and docs, News, File releases, Tracker) OpenMokoProjects provided - and in the end, you could easily browse through a bunch of applications for the Freerunner / Openmoko. I can think of (but): - sourceforge.net (for my taste has become too much marketing touchy) - google code (well; it's still Google) - some corner on SHR web side?? - github.com (I have no experience at all; but it looks like providing most of the functionality I mentioned before - feshmeat.net (would only be for the "front page" I guess) Writing all this; I remember discussions on these lists here about an Openmoko application directory.? I can't remember the outcome of this discussion - has anything evolved from it? Please, I would be thankful for any input ... thanks in advance; Best Michael -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:25:11 +0100 > Von: Michael Pilgermann > An: community at lists.openmoko.org, shr-user at lists.shr-project.org, shr-devel at lists.shr-project.org, devel at lists.openmoko.org > Betreff: Openmoko projects page down > > Dear all, > > I have experienced problems in accessing the Openmoko Projects web page > (http://projects.openmoko.org/) for a couple of days now; always > receiving the following error message: > > "OpenMokoProjects Could Not Connect to Database: " > > I am using this page for my development projects; any idea, whom to > contact to getting this resolved? > > Thanks in advance; best regards > Michael > > PS: I heart rumours, that the maintainer has disappeared.? Any more > input on that? How could (instead) restart the web- and database servers? > > PPS: Do you know any other good place to host projects for the > Freerunner / SHR? > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _______________________________________________ Shr-devel mailing list Shr-devel at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-devel From KichKasch at gmx.de Sat Feb 6 21:56:18 2010 From: KichKasch at gmx.de (Michael Pilgermann) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:56:18 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was: Openmoko projects page down] In-Reply-To: <4B44D587.509@gmx.de> References: <4B44D587.509@gmx.de> Message-ID: <20100107074725.19780@gmx.net> Dear all, the OpenMokoProjects page is back online - thanks to whoever did this. But in fact, I got a bit concerned about carrying on to host my projects there. What is the status of this site - and who is the maintainer? Could you please do any statement about the future of OpenMokoProjects? (if it is unlikely to be continued, I would rather start migrating the content from there) ... Bringing me to my next question (all?) - what would be an adaquate location for hosting application level projects for Openmoko? Any experience? -> I really liked the idea and functionality (SVN, WIKI and docs, News, File releases, Tracker) OpenMokoProjects provided - and in the end, you could easily browse through a bunch of applications for the Freerunner / Openmoko. I can think of (but): - sourceforge.net (for my taste has become too much marketing touchy) - google code (well; it's still Google) - some corner on SHR web side?? - github.com (I have no experience at all; but it looks like providing most of the functionality I mentioned before - feshmeat.net (would only be for the "front page" I guess) Writing all this; I remember discussions on these lists here about an Openmoko application directory.? I can't remember the outcome of this discussion - has anything evolved from it? Please, I would be thankful for any input ... thanks in advance; Best Michael -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:25:11 +0100 > Von: Michael Pilgermann > An: community at lists.openmoko.org, shr-user at lists.shr-project.org, shr-devel at lists.shr-project.org, devel at lists.openmoko.org > Betreff: Openmoko projects page down > > Dear all, > > I have experienced problems in accessing the Openmoko Projects web page > (http://projects.openmoko.org/) for a couple of days now; always > receiving the following error message: > > "OpenMokoProjects Could Not Connect to Database: " > > I am using this page for my development projects; any idea, whom to > contact to getting this resolved? > > Thanks in advance; best regards > Michael > > PS: I heart rumours, that the maintainer has disappeared.? Any more > input on that? How could (instead) restart the web- and database servers? > > PPS: Do you know any other good place to host projects for the > Freerunner / SHR? > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From risto at kurppa.fi Sat Feb 6 21:56:29 2010 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:56:29 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was: Openmoko projects page down] In-Reply-To: <20100107074725.19780@gmx.net> References: <4B44D587.509@gmx.de> <20100107074725.19780@gmx.net> Message-ID: Nice to hear Openmoko projects site is back online. I have no idea who maintains it but I guess it's someone from Openmoko Inc. On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Michael Pilgermann wrote: > Bringing me to my next question (all?) - what would be an adaquate location for hosting application level projects for Openmoko? Any experience? -> I really liked the idea and functionality (SVN, WIKI and docs, News, File releases, Tracker) OpenMokoProjects provided - and in the end, you could easily browse through a bunch of applications for the Freerunner / Openmoko. > > I can think of (but): > - sourceforge.net (for my taste has become too much marketing touchy) > - google code (well; it's still Google) > - some corner on SHR web side?? > - github.com (I have no experience at all; but it looks like providing most of the functionality I mentioned before > - feshmeat.net (would only be for the "front page" I guess) Google Code seems to work well, I don't have experience from others. I would also think Google is reliable enough that it'll not just disappear from the net. And since working on public/open data, it really doesn't matter if you store it somewhere else - Google will find it anyway :) > Writing all this; I remember discussions on these lists here about an Openmoko application directory.? I can't remember the outcome of this discussion - has anything evolved from it? David Reyes Samblas Martinez has been working on it. He took apt-portal code (running at playdeb.net, available at https://edge.launchpad.net/apt-portal) and wrote the required parts to use .opk/.ipk repositories. There are no published results visible yet, I hope he'll show us something soon :) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From KichKasch at gmx.de Sat Feb 6 21:56:40 2010 From: KichKasch at gmx.de (Michael Pilgermann) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:56:40 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was: Openmoko projects page down] In-Reply-To: References: <4B44D587.509@gmx.de> <20100107074725.19780@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20100107123649.19780@gmx.net> Dear all, thanks a lot for all the input. Just 3 small comments: - for Google - I think it's more a religious discussion - but it is not only about finding stuff (or got found) more about supporting it actively. And there have been rumours about copyright issues when posting something with Google. (So - to be honest - I wouldn't dare) - opkg.org has been even "deader" in my eyes than gforge; although I just read the "reanimation" notice on its web site. Well - it has to prove activity first; and in the end it cannot replace a gforge page with all the described functionalities ... - for the gforge page itself: I am thankful for all the explainations about responsilities regarding the site; however, nobody has yet came up to say: it is me to deal with these problems. So, (well I will wait a bit longer) - but in a long term it should be sensible to migrate ... An interesting combination I have explored so far should be freshmeat and github. But it all needs some more investigation ... ;) Any input from other application developers? How do you host your development projects? (I think, most active in this list are kernel - or at least core / distribution - developers) ... Best Michael -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:40:43 +0100 > Von: Joachim Ott > An: Michael Pilgermann > CC: List for Openmoko community discussion , devel at lists.openmoko.org, shr-devel at lists.shr-project.org, shr-user at lists.shr-project.org > Betreff: Re: [Shr-User] Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was: Openmoko projects page down] > 2010/1/7 Michael Pilgermann : > > Dear all, > > > > the OpenMokoProjects page is back online - thanks to whoever did this. > > > > But in fact, I got a bit concerned about carrying on to host my projects > there. What is the status of this site - and who is the maintainer? > > Could you please do any statement about the future of OpenMokoProjects? > (if it is unlikely to be continued, I would rather start migrating the > content from there) ... > > > > Bringing me to my next question (all?) - what would be an adaquate > location for hosting application level projects for Openmoko? Any experience? -> > I really liked the idea and functionality (SVN, WIKI and docs, News, File > releases, Tracker) OpenMokoProjects provided - and in the end, you could > easily browse through a bunch of applications for the Freerunner / Openmoko. > > > > I can think of (but): > > - sourceforge.net (for my taste has become too much marketing touchy) > > - google code (well; it's still Google) > > - some corner on SHR web side?? > > - github.com (I have no experience at all; but it looks like providing > most of the functionality I mentioned before > > - feshmeat.net (would only be for the "front page" I guess) > > > > Writing all this; I remember discussions on these lists here about an > Openmoko application directory.? I can't remember the outcome of this > discussion - has anything evolved from it? > > Try http://www.opkg.org/ _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From KichKasch at gmx.de Sat Feb 6 21:56:51 2010 From: KichKasch at gmx.de (Michael Pilgermann) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:56:51 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was: Openmoko projects page down] In-Reply-To: References: <4B44D587.509@gmx.de> <20100107074725.19780@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20100107123649.19780@gmx.net> Dear all, thanks a lot for all the input. Just 3 small comments: - for Google - I think it's more a religious discussion - but it is not only about finding stuff (or got found) more about supporting it actively. And there have been rumours about copyright issues when posting something with Google. (So - to be honest - I wouldn't dare) - opkg.org has been even "deader" in my eyes than gforge; although I just read the "reanimation" notice on its web site. Well - it has to prove activity first; and in the end it cannot replace a gforge page with all the described functionalities ... - for the gforge page itself: I am thankful for all the explainations about responsilities regarding the site; however, nobody has yet came up to say: it is me to deal with these problems. So, (well I will wait a bit longer) - but in a long term it should be sensible to migrate ... An interesting combination I have explored so far should be freshmeat and github. But it all needs some more investigation ... ;) Any input from other application developers? How do you host your development projects? (I think, most active in this list are kernel - or at least core / distribution - developers) ... Best Michael -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:40:43 +0100 > Von: Joachim Ott > An: Michael Pilgermann > CC: List for Openmoko community discussion , devel at lists.openmoko.org, shr-devel at lists.shr-project.org, shr-user at lists.shr-project.org > Betreff: Re: [Shr-User] Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was: Openmoko projects page down] > 2010/1/7 Michael Pilgermann : > > Dear all, > > > > the OpenMokoProjects page is back online - thanks to whoever did this. > > > > But in fact, I got a bit concerned about carrying on to host my projects > there. What is the status of this site - and who is the maintainer? > > Could you please do any statement about the future of OpenMokoProjects? > (if it is unlikely to be continued, I would rather start migrating the > content from there) ... > > > > Bringing me to my next question (all?) - what would be an adaquate > location for hosting application level projects for Openmoko? Any experience? -> > I really liked the idea and functionality (SVN, WIKI and docs, News, File > releases, Tracker) OpenMokoProjects provided - and in the end, you could > easily browse through a bunch of applications for the Freerunner / Openmoko. > > > > I can think of (but): > > - sourceforge.net (for my taste has become too much marketing touchy) > > - google code (well; it's still Google) > > - some corner on SHR web side?? > > - github.com (I have no experience at all; but it looks like providing > most of the functionality I mentioned before > > - feshmeat.net (would only be for the "front page" I guess) > > > > Writing all this; I remember discussions on these lists here about an > Openmoko application directory.? I can't remember the outcome of this > discussion - has anything evolved from it? > > Try http://www.opkg.org/ _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From martin.jansa at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 21:56:51 2010 From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:56:51 -0000 Subject: [Shr-Devel] Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was: Openmoko projects page down] In-Reply-To: <20100107114651.GC3585@almesberger.net> References: <4B44D587.509@gmx.de> <20100107074725.19780@gmx.net> <20100107114651.GC3585@almesberger.net> Message-ID: <20100107123714.GD3198@jama> On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 08:46:51AM -0300, Werner Almesberger wrote: > Michael Pilgermann wrote: > > the OpenMokoProjects page is back online - thanks to whoever did this. > > That would be Joachim. I'll add my thanks too ! > > Unfortunately, there still appear to be problems with accessing > certain directories, and nobody seems to have an idea (so far) > how to solve these. > > > But in fact, I got a bit concerned about carrying on to host my projects > > there. What is the status of this site - and who is the maintainer? > > As far as I know, Armin Ranjbar is in charge of the administration of > the projects (approval, etc.), but there doesn't seem to be anyone > who's clearly in charge of running the infrastructure. (I might be > wrong, though. Corrections welcome.) Hi, who could be contacted wrt openmoko OE builder still spamming OE tinderbox, still building daily, but with lots of errors nobody care about now I guess. http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/builders/openmoko/ http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/daily/ http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/ is still updated daily, but I fear that nobody is using daily anymore and I haven't seen any patch to OE repo in last few months.. Thanks Cheers -- uin:136542059 jid:Martin.Jansa at gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jamasip at voip.wengo.fr JaMa _______________________________________________ Shr-devel mailing list Shr-devel at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-devel From helge.hafting at hist.no Sat Feb 6 21:56:56 2010 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:56:56 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: <4B3CEB64.7010004@sapo.pt> <4B3F3E8C.6040707@sapo.pt> Message-ID: <4B4328F7.90307@hist.no> Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: > AFAIR there was some problem like that with GSM firmware. Do you have > it upgraded? Yes, but I upgraded it long before the first time I tried GPRS. So perhaps there were problems before that. The phone functionality improved with the GSM firmware update - no more people complaining they called me while nothing happened on the device. Helge Hafting _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From martin.jansa at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 21:56:58 2010 From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:56:58 -0000 Subject: [Shr-User] UBI success story In-Reply-To: <20100106012134.GA3211@jama> References: <201001041437.14500.ml@chonyota.net> <20100106012134.GA3211@jama> Message-ID: <141020e31001080226s5b5adaebib5af8465be0632e@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 2:21 AM, Martin Jansa wrote: > 3) update Qi with dfu-util > qi built here > http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ > is still using jffs2 in kernel params > but you can you binary from here > > http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr.images/om-gta02/qi-s3c2442-1.0.2+gitr0+c38b062a609f1442e6a9e13005cfbdfd59a5ac0d.udfu > or build Qi yourself with bitbake from latest shr/merge branch + this > patch: > > http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr.images/om-gta02/0014-qi-update-kernel-params-for-ubi-rootfs.patch > This is not true anymore, I've added qi-ubi as different recipe to OE and rebuild here, so this qi-s3c2442-1.0.2+gitr0+c38b062a609f1442e6a9e13005cfbdfd59a5ac0d.udfu has jffs2 params again and you need qi-ubi-s3c2442-1.0.2-r0+gitr1+c38b062a609f1442e6a9e13005cfbdfd59a5ac0d.udfu for ubifs params but no need to download it from my host now.. I've built it on official shr buildhost too, so download it here http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ Sorry to those who downloaded it in between (I'll remove it from my host for now..), I've updated wiki page http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=UBIFS and forgot to send this e-mail. Cheers, > > -- > uin:136542059 jid:Martin.Jansa at gmail.com > Jansa Martin sip:jamasip at voip.wengo.fr > JaMa > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100206/cf53760e/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Shr-User mailing list Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user From falk at efalk.org Sat Feb 6 22:16:05 2010 From: falk at efalk.org (Ed Falk) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:16:05 -0800 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B6DDC15.8060709@efalk.org> I bought my Freerunner over a year ago. On the first boot, it made a very loud raucus sound which, as far as I know, blew out the speaker, as I have never heard an undistorted sound come out of it. I discovered that the only way to adjust the volume was to log in remotely and run a command-line volume control application. I tried to develop a GPS application for it, but GPS would not work if there was an SD card installed. The device drew so much power that the battery was only good for an hour or so, and the device grew too hot in my hand to hold. At this point, I realized that the Freerunner was not yet ready for prime time. I put it back in its box and put the box on a shelf. The battery is surely dead by now. I hope someday that the software will become mature enough for me to try again, but unfortunately, I just don't have the time to work on it. So no, I'm not still using my Freerunner. Is there a "how to" document on the wiki that might tell someone in my shoes how to bring the device up to date so that I can try again? -ed falk From yogizz at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 23:28:52 2010 From: yogizz at gmail.com (Yogiz) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 00:28:52 +0200 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: <4B6DDC15.8060709@efalk.org> References: <4B6DDC15.8060709@efalk.org> Message-ID: <20100207002852.2b57fdc0@blunt> Hi Ed, On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:16:05 -0800 Ed Falk wrote: > I bought my Freerunner over a year ago. On the first boot, it made a > very loud raucus sound which, as far as I know, blew out the speaker, > as I have never heard an undistorted sound come out of it. If your speaker really is broken, your Freerunner will probably not be much use as a phone unless you use hands-free with it. I suggest you install the latest software so you can be sure it's not a software problem. If it isn't you'll either have to get the speaker repaired or live without sound. > I discovered that the only way to adjust the volume was to log in > remotely and run a command-line volume control application. SHR is currently the most popular distribution on the Freerunner. The latest version ships with decent volume defaults and call volume can be changed during calls. If you want more control, then currently the best idea is to run alsamixer yes, either remotely or from local terminal. > I tried to develop a GPS application for it, but GPS would not work > if there was an SD card installed. I have not heard of such a problem so if It's not exclusive to your hardware, it is fixed by now. > The device drew so much power that the battery was only good for an > hour or so, and the device grew too hot in my hand to hold. Currently, using the Freerunner as both a phone and a PDA I usually can go for two days before plugging it in overnight. If I use a lot of GPS for example, the time is shorter but it's not bad at all and suspending works very well currently. > At this point, I realized that the Freerunner was not yet ready for > prime time. I put it back in its box and put the box on a shelf. > The battery is surely dead by now. > > I hope someday that the software will become mature enough for me to > try again, but unfortunately, I just don't have the time to work on > it. > > So no, I'm not still using my Freerunner. > > Is there a "how to" document on the wiki that might tell someone in > my shoes how to bring the device up to date so that I can try again? Well, my suggestion would be to start playing around with the latest SHR-Unstable. You can get the filesystem image and the kernel from http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/. Download the full-om-gta02.jffs2 and uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin to get the latest versions. To flash them to your Freerunner you'll need dfu-util. It's in the repository in Ubuntu so you can just apt-get install it, if it's not in the repo, you can download it from http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/releases/Om2008.9/dfu-util. It seems like an old version but I doubt that would be a problem. I realised that you might be a Windows user, I don't know how you should flash in that case, maybe someone else can comment. Anyway on Linux, to make flashing more comfortable, you should also download neotool from http://users.on.net/~antisol/neotool. Just put it somewhere and run it, it presents a nice GUI for the flashing options. You'll have to select the rootfs image and kernel images that you downloaded and should select the jffs2 file and bin file respectively. Then connect your Freerunner with USB cable and while keeping the top-left button pressed, press the power button. You should be presented with a boot menu. Now just start flashing from neotool. Once both images are copied, which may take quite a while, disconnect and reboot the Freerunner and SHR should run. I'd suggest you to keep an eye on the mailing lists to see, when anything new and interesting appears for the Freerunner, until then just play around with the different software in the repos and packages all over the net. I realise that all this info is already probably written down somewhere but I had enough time at the moment : ). If there are any other questions, do ask. Yogiz From neiljerram at googlemail.com Sat Feb 6 23:29:36 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 22:29:36 +0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: <4B6DDC15.8060709@efalk.org> References: <4B6DDC15.8060709@efalk.org> Message-ID: <49dd78621002061429x6641595by3ea7b2e326b2b504@mail.gmail.com> On 6 February 2010 21:16, Ed Falk wrote: > I bought my Freerunner over a year ago. ?On the first boot, it made a > very loud raucus sound which, as far as I know, blew out the speaker, as > I have never heard an undistorted sound come out of it. [...] Hmm, sounds like a few possible hardware issues there. However... > Is there a "how to" document on the wiki that might tell someone in my > shoes how to bring the device up to date so that I can try again? Step 1: Try turning it on and plugging in the wall charger - to find out if it is working well enough to get charged up. (In the early days, there were serious problems if the battery became completely empty...) Step 2: Once fully charged, follow the instructions for flashing and trying out SHR-Testing. Regards, Neil From gb at bsdmn.com Sat Feb 6 23:28:54 2010 From: gb at bsdmn.com (Gennady Kupava) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 01:28:54 +0300 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1265495334.5401.52.camel@work.bsdmn.ru> ? ???, 29/12/2009 ? 22:30 +0200, Risto H. Kurppa ?????: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? No, I am understanding and experimenting with kernel, my latest touchscreen/adc race understanding quest render it unusable for most of recent time. Also I'm far from finishing userland setup. > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? No, same reason :( > What distribution you run most of the time? Debian/GNU linux > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? I am using spare phones around :) Openmoko is nice small computer which can fit all mobile needs it's clear and have software and hardware upgrade path, I think then I'll finally 'set it up', it will be just best thing around. Gennady From gb at bsdmn.com Sat Feb 6 23:29:33 2010 From: gb at bsdmn.com (Gennady Kupava) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 01:29:33 +0300 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <20100207052928.6fe7ad67.raster@rasterman.com> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <20100207052928.6fe7ad67.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <1265495373.5401.53.camel@work.bsdmn.ru> ? ???, 07/02/2010 ? 05:29 +0900, Carsten Haitzler ?????: [cut] > or get a nokia n900 (though my > experience is that its a pile of junk - as i sit here now with my n900 having > bricked itself spontaneously over a week ago, so i'm without a phone, 6000km > from home, not to mention that windows 3.1 seems like a paragon of stability > and solid performance compared to the n900 - the n900 would literally crash and > restart the whole ui very few minutes or sooner at times, but it'd do this at > least 5-10 times per day at a minimum). [cut] Hm, FR seems rock solid after such review. Gennady From ben at abcom.co.nz Sun Feb 7 00:41:30 2010 From: ben at abcom.co.nz (Ben Wilson) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:41:30 +1300 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B6DFE2A.9020907@abcom.co.nz> On 30/12/2009 9:30 a.m., Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? > no i use my Neo1973 > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? > same as above > What distribution you run most of the time? > SHR unstable > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? > I'm seriously looking at buying an n900 due to 2G GPRS just being too slow. > > Thank you :) > > > r > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2592 - Release Date: 12/29/09 20:47:00 > > From ben at abcom.co.nz Sun Feb 7 00:46:04 2010 From: ben at abcom.co.nz (Ben Wilson) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:46:04 +1300 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <1265495373.5401.53.camel@work.bsdmn.ru> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <20100207052928.6fe7ad67.raster@rasterman.com> <1265495373.5401.53.camel@work.bsdmn.ru> Message-ID: <4B6DFF3C.2040704@abcom.co.nz> All the people I know who have an n900 love it. It seems highly likely that his n900 is faulty. Ben. On 7/02/2010 11:29 a.m., Gennady Kupava wrote: > ? ???, 07/02/2010 ? 05:29 +0900, Carsten Haitzler ?????: > > [cut] > >> or get a nokia n900 (though my >> experience is that its a pile of junk - as i sit here now with my n900 having >> bricked itself spontaneously over a week ago, so i'm without a phone, 6000km >> from home, not to mention that windows 3.1 seems like a paragon of stability >> and solid performance compared to the n900 - the n900 would literally crash and >> restart the whole ui very few minutes or sooner at times, but it'd do this at >> least 5-10 times per day at a minimum). >> > [cut] > > Hm, FR seems rock solid after such review. > > Gennady > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > From raster at rasterman.com Sun Feb 7 00:52:24 2010 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 08:52:24 +0900 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <4B6DFF3C.2040704@abcom.co.nz> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <20100207052928.6fe7ad67.raster@rasterman.com> <1265495373.5401.53.camel@work.bsdmn.ru> <4B6DFF3C.2040704@abcom.co.nz> Message-ID: <20100207085224.6047cfbf.raster@rasterman.com> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:46:04 +1300 Ben Wilson said: possible. either way - that says something then about nokia's QA proceedure on the production line :) not good enough. (not for me!) > All the people I know who have an n900 love it. > It seems highly likely that his n900 is faulty. > > Ben. > > On 7/02/2010 11:29 a.m., Gennady Kupava wrote: > > ? ???, 07/02/2010 ? 05:29 +0900, Carsten Haitzler ?????: > > > > [cut] > > > >> or get a nokia n900 (though my > >> experience is that its a pile of junk - as i sit here now with my n900 > >> having bricked itself spontaneously over a week ago, so i'm without a > >> phone, 6000km from home, not to mention that windows 3.1 seems like a > >> paragon of stability and solid performance compared to the n900 - the n900 > >> would literally crash and restart the whole ui very few minutes or sooner > >> at times, but it'd do this at least 5-10 times per day at a minimum). > >> > > [cut] > > > > Hm, FR seems rock solid after such review. > > > > Gennady > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From ben at abcom.co.nz Sun Feb 7 00:59:19 2010 From: ben at abcom.co.nz (Ben Wilson) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:59:19 +1300 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <20100207085224.6047cfbf.raster@rasterman.com> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <20100207052928.6fe7ad67.raster@rasterman.com> <1265495373.5401.53.camel@work.bsdmn.ru> <4B6DFF3C.2040704@abcom.co.nz> <20100207085224.6047cfbf.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <4B6E0257.8060706@abcom.co.nz> maybe, but i think i trust Nokia more than i trust the people involved in getting the units from the factory to the users hands. Package could easy have been dropped by a sales person etc. Ben. On 7/02/2010 12:52 p.m., Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:46:04 +1300 Ben Wilson said: > > possible. either way - that says something then about nokia's QA proceedure on > the production line :) not good enough. (not for me!) > > >> All the people I know who have an n900 love it. >> It seems highly likely that his n900 is faulty. >> >> Ben. >> >> On 7/02/2010 11:29 a.m., Gennady Kupava wrote: >> >>> ? ???, 07/02/2010 ? 05:29 +0900, Carsten Haitzler ?????: >>> >>> [cut] >>> >>> >>>> or get a nokia n900 (though my >>>> experience is that its a pile of junk - as i sit here now with my n900 >>>> having bricked itself spontaneously over a week ago, so i'm without a >>>> phone, 6000km from home, not to mention that windows 3.1 seems like a >>>> paragon of stability and solid performance compared to the n900 - the n900 >>>> would literally crash and restart the whole ui very few minutes or sooner >>>> at times, but it'd do this at least 5-10 times per day at a minimum). >>>> >>>> >>> [cut] >>> >>> Hm, FR seems rock solid after such review. >>> >>> Gennady >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Openmoko community mailing list >>> community at lists.openmoko.org >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > From raster at rasterman.com Sun Feb 7 02:04:06 2010 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 10:04:06 +0900 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <4B6E0257.8060706@abcom.co.nz> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <20100207052928.6fe7ad67.raster@rasterman.com> <1265495373.5401.53.camel@work.bsdmn.ru> <4B6DFF3C.2040704@abcom.co.nz> <20100207085224.6047cfbf.raster@rasterman.com> <4B6E0257.8060706@abcom.co.nz> Message-ID: <20100207100406.4a100d3f.raster@rasterman.com> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:59:19 +1300 Ben Wilson said: > maybe, but i think i trust Nokia more than i trust the people involved > in getting the units from the factory > to the users hands. Package could easy have been dropped by a sales > person etc. package undamaged - and padded. even so - if the phone cant survive a drop when padded by bubblewrap, cardboard, plastic, foam etc. etc. - still says to me original build quality is bad. > Ben. > > On 7/02/2010 12:52 p.m., Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:46:04 +1300 Ben Wilson said: > > > > possible. either way - that says something then about nokia's QA proceedure > > on the production line :) not good enough. (not for me!) > > > > > >> All the people I know who have an n900 love it. > >> It seems highly likely that his n900 is faulty. > >> > >> Ben. > >> > >> On 7/02/2010 11:29 a.m., Gennady Kupava wrote: > >> > >>> ? ???, 07/02/2010 ? 05:29 +0900, Carsten Haitzler ?????: > >>> > >>> [cut] > >>> > >>> > >>>> or get a nokia n900 (though my > >>>> experience is that its a pile of junk - as i sit here now with my n900 > >>>> having bricked itself spontaneously over a week ago, so i'm without a > >>>> phone, 6000km from home, not to mention that windows 3.1 seems like a > >>>> paragon of stability and solid performance compared to the n900 - the > >>>> n900 would literally crash and restart the whole ui very few minutes or > >>>> sooner at times, but it'd do this at least 5-10 times per day at a > >>>> minimum). > >>>> > >>>> > >>> [cut] > >>> > >>> Hm, FR seems rock solid after such review. > >>> > >>> Gennady > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Openmoko community mailing list > >>> community at lists.openmoko.org > >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Openmoko community mailing list > >> community at lists.openmoko.org > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > >> > > > > > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From openmoko at netapps.com.au Sun Feb 7 03:25:11 2010 From: openmoko at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 13:25:11 +1100 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <20100207085224.6047cfbf.raster@rasterman.com> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <20100207052928.6fe7ad67.raster@rasterman.com> <1265495373.5401.53.camel@work.bsdmn.ru> <4B6DFF3C.2040704@abcom.co.nz> <20100207085224.6047cfbf.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <20100207132511.68be90ca.openmoko@netapps.com.au> On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 08:52:24 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > possible. either way - that says something then about nokia's QA proceedure on > the production line :) not good enough. (not for me!) Of the two A6 open moko phones I kept, one had the buzzy audio, and non-functioning GPS. On the other phone audio and GPS both worked well. I have a strong feeling that openmoko knew they were sending me a mix of good and bad phones. So they QA does work, but their customer service leaves something to be desired. I like my wife's HTC Magic, running Androd. When I change it will probably be to that phone. But for now I am happy with the OM phone I am using. I am not a fan of Noika either. -- Michael Smith From raster at rasterman.com Sun Feb 7 06:00:56 2010 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 14:00:56 +0900 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <20100207132511.68be90ca.openmoko@netapps.com.au> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <20100207052928.6fe7ad67.raster@rasterman.com> <1265495373.5401.53.camel@work.bsdmn.ru> <4B6DFF3C.2040704@abcom.co.nz> <20100207085224.6047cfbf.raster@rasterman.com> <20100207132511.68be90ca.openmoko@netapps.com.au> Message-ID: <20100207140056.2c32b893.raster@rasterman.com> On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 13:25:11 +1100 Michael Smith said: > On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 08:52:24 +0900 > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > > possible. either way - that says something then about nokia's QA proceedure > > on the production line :) not good enough. (not for me!) > > Of the two A6 open moko phones I kept, one had the buzzy audio, and > non-functioning GPS. On the other phone audio and GPS both worked well. > > I have a strong feeling that openmoko knew they were sending me a mix of good > and bad phones. So they QA does work, but their customer service leaves > something to be desired. the qa being talked about here is nokia's, not om's :) > I like my wife's HTC Magic, running Androd. When I change it will probably be > to that phone. But for now I am happy with the OM phone I am using. > > I am not a fan of Noika either. > -- > Michael Smith > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From smund3 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 06:20:19 2010 From: smund3 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C5smund_Stavdahl?=) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:20:19 +0100 Subject: [SHR-u] Touch screen and AUX button not responding Message-ID: <4B6E4D93.7030603@gmail.com> When I boot SHR-u, there is no response at all from touch screen and AUX. Power button works fine though. Is there any configuration file that might cause a problem like this? I recently installed some packages (don't remember which ones), so that might have caused the issue. $cat /etc/version 201002011233 From monto84 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 09:04:44 2010 From: monto84 at gmail.com (Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:04:44 +0100 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1265529884.9904.3.camel@localhost> Il giorno sab, 06/02/2010 alle 21.36 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller ha scritto: > Although I am not an official from OM I think I can answer some of > your questions. See below. If I am wrong, I would be happy to be > corrected... > > BR, > Nikolaus > > > Am 06.02.2010 um 20:57 schrieb Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano: > > > Hi lists, > > hoping that some official OpenMoko employee is still reading this ml > > i'd > > like to know which are the plans for the future. There will be a > > GTA03?? > > No. GTA03 development was cancelled last year in favour of the > WikiReader. I know, just hoping that it was put on the road again > > If so are you working on it? So, the FR is a good thing, now it's 2 > > years old and you know, it has its problems (1024, buzz, glamo,...) > > so, > > These problems are now solved. There are either buzz / 1024 fixes > around, some companies or nice guys offering them. And recently we > have started to offer GTA02A7+ (where buzz and 1024 are already > fixed). This is of course not done by OM, Inc. but others. But does > that make any difference? Got all fixes except 1024 > For the GLAMO there has also been much progress. AFAIK, the official > X.org server now supports it quite well. And the kernel has also been > accelerated recently. This is not a solution, it's much a workaround. Glamo should make 3d fancy animation but it's sitting on the wrong bus and can accelerate a window smaller than the FR screen 480x480 vs 480x640. > > i'd like to look forward and get a new wonderful device like this. > > There is at least one public project: GTA02-core aiming at new devices > like this (i.e. free&open smartphone platform). And, I know of at > least one more project to be announced this year. Ok, this is what i was asking for! :D > > So any news?? > > Yes, many. But probably not from the sources you have looked at. They > are not that aggregated and said by an official spokesperson. > > So there is no need to wait for OM, Inc. This is also the real benefit > of that OM did open a lot of information and materials to secure the > future of the Openmoko movement, even if the company does no longer > participate. That is probably the best thing that did happen - to > successfully seed an idea. Thanks Pietro From ghislain at basetrend.nl Sun Feb 7 10:15:37 2010 From: ghislain at basetrend.nl (ghislain) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 01:15:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: QtMoko v19 In-Reply-To: <201002052309.36331.psonek2@seznam.cz> References: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> <201002052309.36331.psonek2@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <1265534137439-4528526.post@n2.nabble.com> I've created an installer image wich can be downloaded here http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qtm19 QtMoko V19 I replaced the kernel from Radek with my own because there where booting issues with Qi. I could not release earlier because I'm at the http://www.fosdem.org FOSDEM Ghislain http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/QtMoko-v19-tp4516805p4528526.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Sun Feb 7 10:59:06 2010 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 09:59:06 +0000 Subject: Experiment: better sound on remote end In-Reply-To: <4B6D9AA5.7060508@debian.org> References: <20091202134744.GA15669@roque.1407.org> <49dd78621002060651h2d77e92cge09ee693647137f6@mail.gmail.com> <4B6D9AA5.7060508@debian.org> Message-ID: <201002070959.06440.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Saturday 06 February 2010, Gilles Filippini wrote: > Neil Jerram a ?crit , Le 06/02/2010 15:51: > > On 2 December 2009 13:47, wrote: > >> 3. change control 63 (it's also on line 63), so that it ends in 3 > >> rather than in 2: * Old value: 63:'Mic Sidetone Mux':1:2 > >> * New value: 63:'Mic Sidetone Mux':1:3 > > ... > > > So: yes, I can confirm that changing 'Mic Sidetone Mux' from 'Mic 2' > > to 'Right PGA' improves call audio for my callees. My wife even > > described it as 'quite fine' :-). > > +1. > > I've been using this setting for one week now and I've the very same > comment from my wife ;) And now I can take a call while being in a noisy > train. > > BTW, this is also the default QtMoko setting, where I found it from. > > Please, could someone elaborate on *why* it would be to avoid[1] as a > default setting? Because then somebody else will complain that the mic is too quiet, and we'll be going round in circles. There is NO universally good mixer setting for the defaults. Routing through the PGA just attenuates the signal slightly before it gets to the mono mixer. Turning the mono mixer setting down from 7 to 6 or 5 will be just as effective. From ssj2micvm at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 14:44:05 2010 From: ssj2micvm at gmail.com (Michele Brocco) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 14:44:05 +0100 Subject: QtMoko v19 In-Reply-To: <1265534137439-4528526.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> <201002052309.36331.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265534137439-4528526.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Thanks to both, radek and ghislain (and of course all the other people contributed). I had troubles with the no-debug kernel as well. The screen did not turn on at all and the system did not boot (using also qi). The debug kernel worked flawlessy. Now I have both kernels working thanks to ghislain's version. Did someone of you guys experience troubles with qmokoplayer or other programs? There seem to be some problems with the lib paths: ldd ./165a8054b7fe206d5eb48b722581cc4b_qmokoplayer libqtopiagfx.so.4 => not found libmd5.so.1 => not found libqtopia-sqlite.so.1 => not found libqtopia.so.4 => not found libqtopiabase.so.4 => not found setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH and running after it results into a Segmentation Fault. Is that perhaps related to the qt downgrade? On 2/7/10, ghislain wrote: > > I've created an installer image wich can be downloaded here > http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qtm19 QtMoko V19 > > I replaced the kernel from Radek with my own because there where booting > issues with Qi. > > I could not release earlier because I'm at the http://www.fosdem.org FOSDEM > > Ghislain > http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl > -- > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/QtMoko-v19-tp4516805p4528526.html > Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From pini at debian.org Sun Feb 7 15:31:45 2010 From: pini at debian.org (Gilles Filippini) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:31:45 +0100 Subject: Experiment: better sound on remote end In-Reply-To: <201002070959.06440.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> References: <20091202134744.GA15669@roque.1407.org> <49dd78621002060651h2d77e92cge09ee693647137f6@mail.gmail.com> <4B6D9AA5.7060508@debian.org> <201002070959.06440.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <4B6ECED1.5030705@debian.org> Hi, Al Johnson a ?crit , Le 07/02/2010 10:59: > Routing through the PGA just attenuates the signal slightly before > it gets to the mono mixer. Turning the mono mixer setting down from 7 to 6 or > 5 will be just as effective. FWIW, my current working settings are: * control.48: 1 * control.63: 'Right PGA' * control.12: 6 * control.5: 127 Following your advice, I'll give a try at: * control.63: 'Mic 2' * control.12: 5 or 4 Thanks, _g. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Turning the mono mixer setting down from 7 to 6 or >> 5 will be just as effective. > > FWIW, my current working settings are: > * control.48: 1 > * control.63: 'Right PGA' > * control.12: 6 > * control.5: 127 > > Following your advice, I'll give a try at: > * control.63: 'Mic 2' > * control.12: 5 or 4 Wow! I've had to lower control.12 to 0 (yes: zero) to have a sound volume equivalent to my previous settings'. _g. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 490 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100207/c01d2f67/attachment.pgp From psonek2 at seznam.cz Sun Feb 7 23:02:33 2010 From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 23:02:33 +0100 Subject: QtMoko v19 In-Reply-To: References: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> <1265534137439-4528526.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <201002072302.33754.psonek2@seznam.cz> Michele Brocco wrote: > Did someone of you guys experience troubles with qmokoplayer or other > programs? There seem to be some problems with the lib paths: > > ldd ./165a8054b7fe206d5eb48b722581cc4b_qmokoplayer > libqtopiagfx.so.4 => not found > libmd5.so.1 => not found > libqtopia-sqlite.so.1 => not found > libqtopia.so.4 => not found > libqtopiabase.so.4 => not found > > setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH and running after it results into a > Segmentation Fault. Is that perhaps related to the qt downgrade? Hi Michele, it can be. I have rebuilt and uploaded the package. You can try if reinstall if it helps. I cant try myself, i am in the middle of experiments ;) Regards Radek From neiljerram at googlemail.com Mon Feb 8 00:26:20 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 23:26:20 +0000 Subject: Basic texting keyboard for zhone Message-ID: <49dd78621002071526q3e898404yea27dfb0c6fac23e@mail.gmail.com> I noticed that the zhone code included a keypad-based text entry system (the pyphone_message class). I found it quite non-intuitive - and I guess that's why it was never made available in the UI - but the code makes a good starting point for implementing other keypad-based entry systems, and I've now implemented the simplest possible one, i.e. where you have to press once for a, d, g, ..., twice for b, e, h, ..., and so on. It needs polish, and it would be good to add a proper predictive system, and once I've done that I'll try to feed this into the official zhone. But for anyone who feels like looking at or trying the changes now, they are: http://gitorious.org/stuff-for-openmoko-freerunner/debian-usr-bin/commit/b4da87f2f1ac597efb9ee8b59ed99c2ab892215b http://gitorious.org/stuff-for-openmoko-freerunner/debian-usr-bin/commit/bef6a44004fce48e6c94930a9d1f8a7e72609b9f http://gitorious.org/stuff-for-openmoko-freerunner/debian-usr-bin/commit/26b57ac0b6de8f0637d89697cc533d88d0a48c1e http://gitorious.org/stuff-for-openmoko-freerunner/debian-usr-bin/commit/542c9a1da39b7c9cd4b180825fa3ffbde007b19b http://gitorious.org/stuff-for-openmoko-freerunner/zhone-edje/commit/61b95f4725cfdf77e20c71ac58d7c07425bb37e7 Regards, From denis.johnson at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 00:38:49 2010 From: denis.johnson at gmail.com (Denis Johnson) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:38:49 +1000 Subject: QtMoko v19 In-Reply-To: <1265383268.9937.1.camel@localhost> References: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> <14654_1265379506_1265379506_bc2d57b41002050617n105bcc1agd96a21544240cf5b@mail.gmail.com> <1265383268.9937.1.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20607da11002071538rc84a872k80dda93dcc0013bc@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Alishams Hassam wrote: > On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 16:17 +0200, Margo wrote: >> If I use the nodebug kernel I can't boot with qi (I use qi installed >> by qtmoko v16d installer). It just vibrates once and flashes the red >> led but doesn't start to boot. But it does boot if I boot it with >> u-boot from NOR. >> >> But with the debug kernel it boots with qi. > Can confirm this with qi as well. qtmoko installed on uSD. Anyone know > how can I see the error/provide a log? I can also confirm this, so I am currently running the normal kernel. I have also noticed that this image + kernel frequently shows "searching for network" cheers Denis From mckeea at rpi.edu Mon Feb 8 06:02:31 2010 From: mckeea at rpi.edu (Tony McKeehan) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 00:02:31 -0500 Subject: Basic texting keyboard for zhone In-Reply-To: <49dd78621002071526q3e898404yea27dfb0c6fac23e@mail.gmail.com> References: <49dd78621002071526q3e898404yea27dfb0c6fac23e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6F9AE7.3090300@rpi.edu> Do you have any screenshots? Also, I'd be interested in merging this with my predictive texting keyboard code some time in the future. -Tonym Neil Jerram wrote: > I noticed that the zhone code included a keypad-based text entry > system (the pyphone_message class). I found it quite non-intuitive - > and I guess that's why it was never made available in the UI - but the > code makes a good starting point for implementing other keypad-based > entry systems, and I've now implemented the simplest possible one, > i.e. where you have to press once for a, d, g, ..., twice for b, e, h, > ..., and so on. > > It needs polish, and it would be good to add a proper predictive > system, and once I've done that I'll try to feed this into the > official zhone. But for anyone who feels like looking at or trying > the changes now, they are: > http://gitorious.org/stuff-for-openmoko-freerunner/debian-usr-bin/commit/b4da87f2f1ac597efb9ee8b59ed99c2ab892215b > http://gitorious.org/stuff-for-openmoko-freerunner/debian-usr-bin/commit/bef6a44004fce48e6c94930a9d1f8a7e72609b9f > http://gitorious.org/stuff-for-openmoko-freerunner/debian-usr-bin/commit/26b57ac0b6de8f0637d89697cc533d88d0a48c1e > http://gitorious.org/stuff-for-openmoko-freerunner/debian-usr-bin/commit/542c9a1da39b7c9cd4b180825fa3ffbde007b19b > http://gitorious.org/stuff-for-openmoko-freerunner/zhone-edje/commit/61b95f4725cfdf77e20c71ac58d7c07425bb37e7 > > Regards, > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > From rtm at cfa.harvard.edu Mon Feb 8 06:29:51 2010 From: rtm at cfa.harvard.edu (Ken Young) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 00:29:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Openmoko projects page down again Message-ID: The Openmoko Projects site is down again. It looks like it goes offline predictably every Sunday afternoon (East coast USA time) unless it is still down from the week before. Whatever is being done to put it back online occasionally, is not fixing the fundamental problem. Ken Young From Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl Mon Feb 8 09:53:51 2010 From: Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl (Patryk Benderz) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:53:51 +0100 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <20100207052928.6fe7ad67.raster@rasterman.com> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <20100207052928.6fe7ad67.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <1265619231.5809.7.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> [cut] > or... you wait a little bit and see what's around the corner and brewing... and > trust me... stuff *IS* brewing at much bigger device makers than openmoko ever > was - who have the money and people to pull it off. keep your ears peeled. Hi Rasterman, hmm... is it regarded to enlightment and/or samsung? -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point From Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl Mon Feb 8 10:03:04 2010 From: Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl (Patryk Benderz) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:03:04 +0100 Subject: [Community Updates] 2010-01-14 released In-Reply-To: <20100206122645.1a014450@vanek.robe.cz> References: <1263577239.7298.28.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <20100206122645.1a014450@vanek.robe.cz> Message-ID: <1265619784.5809.12.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> [cut] > could please people stop editing released updates? (meaning adding new > stuff, don't mean fixing links and typos). [cut] Until now i found, that in order to get rid of adding new content to released CUs, you have to look at history of changes, and sent a message to a person who made a change, explaining this is a wrong way to do it, and point that person to current CU's draft. This was always working for me. -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point From raster at rasterman.com Mon Feb 8 10:11:15 2010 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 18:11:15 +0900 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <1265619231.5809.7.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <20100207052928.6fe7ad67.raster@rasterman.com> <1265619231.5809.7.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> Message-ID: <20100208181115.8be1ba4d.raster@rasterman.com> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:53:51 +0100 Patryk Benderz said: > [cut] > > or... you wait a little bit and see what's around the corner and brewing... > > and trust me... stuff *IS* brewing at much bigger device makers than > > openmoko ever was - who have the money and people to pull it off. keep your > > ears peeled. > Hi Rasterman, > hmm... is it regarded to enlightment and/or samsung? my lips are sealed until something is public... (you know the drill! nda's and all!) :) i can say that enlightenment and samsung are closely involved with eachother right now. samsung's mobile platform lab to be specific. and of course you'd expect devices float around with enlightenment (and duh! linux, x11 etc.) on them... on many a desk. what these devices are, if any will make it to market, how many are on whose desks etc... the details and so on are unfortunately off-limits right now... until... something is publically announced. keep your ears peeled. :) -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From neiljerram at googlemail.com Mon Feb 8 10:55:30 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:55:30 +0000 Subject: Basic texting keyboard for zhone In-Reply-To: <4B6F9AE7.3090300@rpi.edu> References: <49dd78621002071526q3e898404yea27dfb0c6fac23e@mail.gmail.com> <4B6F9AE7.3090300@rpi.edu> Message-ID: <49dd78621002080155h35c5bbe8n21b2889b2f879490@mail.gmail.com> On 8 February 2010 05:02, Tony McKeehan wrote: > Do you have any screenshots? I'll make some this evening. > Also, I'd be interested in merging this > with my predictive texting keyboard code some time in the future. Yes, absolutely, I had the same thought. I don't think "merging" is exactly the right word, because I'm sure you want your keyboard to continue working for all applications (whereas mine is currently part of the zhone application) - but we should be able to share the predictive engine part of the code. Regards, Neil From Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl Mon Feb 8 12:08:00 2010 From: Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl (Patryk Benderz) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:08:00 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Openmobility 2010 in Czech Republic + buzz & recamping fix party In-Reply-To: <6cf6c6711002030523wa9c561je7626d6a2245534d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6cf6c6711002030523wa9c561je7626d6a2245534d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1265627280.5809.15.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> [cut] > Web: http://mobility.openmoko.cz/ Looks like it is only Czech / Slovak conference? No english talks? -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point From Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl Mon Feb 8 13:27:47 2010 From: Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl (Patryk Benderz) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:27:47 +0100 Subject: [CU] application sections Message-ID: <1265632067.5809.37.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> Hi everyone, looking back in time, when most of applications were distributed as .ipk packages, there was a reason for "application updates" section of CUs, to exist. In present days, most of applications with their bitbake recipes are fairly quickly added to particular OS repositories. According to this, all users upgrading their OS, upgrades their applications also. Also keep in mind that filling this section with data takes a significant amount of time. Thus a question arises: Is it still necessary to keep "Application updates" alive? P.S.This question does NOT include "New Applications" section. -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point From Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl Mon Feb 8 13:53:59 2010 From: Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl (Patryk Benderz) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:53:59 +0100 Subject: [CU] release cycle question Message-ID: <1265633639.5809.64.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> Hello Community, looking back at release dates history of last few Community Updates, you can notice several release delays. This might show, that present 2 weeks release cycle might be too short. Current CU draft [1] is very good example - already delayed 10 days. Although present release cycle is not hardly fixed on 2-week basis, but rather flexible, I propose to extend "official" CUs release cycle to 3 weeks or even one month. What is your opinion, guys? [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2010-01-28 -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point From vaudano at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 14:08:07 2010 From: vaudano at gmail.com (Vaudano Luca) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:08:07 +0100 Subject: [Shr-Devel] [CU] application sections In-Reply-To: <1265632067.5809.37.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> References: <1265632067.5809.37.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> Message-ID: Hi, I think that the "application updates" is useful. But this it should write from the applications developers, in this way they know if the update is important to highlight or not. My 2 cents Luca From vaudano at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 14:11:18 2010 From: vaudano at gmail.com (Vaudano Luca) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:11:18 +0100 Subject: [CU] release cycle question In-Reply-To: <1265633639.5809.64.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> References: <1265633639.5809.64.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> Message-ID: Hi, for me one month is a good choice. Luca From martin.jansa at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 14:13:31 2010 From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:13:31 +0100 Subject: [Shr-User] [Shr-Devel] [CU] application sections In-Reply-To: References: <1265632067.5809.37.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> Message-ID: <20100208131331.GG3401@jama> On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 02:08:07PM +0100, Vaudano Luca wrote: > Hi, > I think that the "application updates" is useful. But this it should > write from the applications developers, in this way they know if the > update is important to highlight or not. If applications developers had important update worth mentioning in CU, then it would be great to ping distro maintainers and get that update in distribution feeds before CU release and then just inform users about what nice&new to expect with in new distro upgrade. Completely new applications without recipe/without easy way to create one are OK to be announced on CU with .ipk link and integrated later after some users feedback? Regards, -- uin:136542059 jid:Martin.Jansa at gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jamasip at voip.wengo.fr JaMa From rakshat at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 14:18:35 2010 From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 18:48:35 +0530 Subject: [CU] release cycle question In-Reply-To: References: <1265633639.5809.64.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> Message-ID: <69a2e4551002080518p313e2386tec3181610fe06074@mail.gmail.com> Once a month seems ok and manageable to me. Rakshat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100208/ca81fd74/attachment.htm From John.Gay at ge.com Mon Feb 8 15:00:12 2010 From: John.Gay at ge.com (Gay, John (GE Infra, Energy, Non-GE)) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:00:12 -0500 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes > What distribution you run most of the time? Hackable:1 > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? I'm looking for a distro that can do BT headset and keyboard. ATM, I've only got the keyboard working, my headset pairs, and I think it talks, but I can't hear anything. Doesn't look like anyone has got a BT headset work on FR with any distro??? > Thank you :) > r > -- > | risto h. kurppa > | risto at kurppa dot fi > | http://risto.kurppa.fi > _______________________________________________ > Shr-User mailing list > Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org > http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 8 15:37:08 2010 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:37:08 +0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201002081437.09017.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> > I'm looking for a distro that can do BT headset and keyboard. ATM, I've > only got the keyboard working, my headset pairs, and I think it talks, > but I can't hear anything. Doesn't look like anyone has got a BT headset > work on FR with any distro??? It depends what you mean by 'working'. If you mean a clean GUI-only experience then no. If you can accept editing a few files, and restarting a service when you want to go between headset and handset, shr can do it, or could last time I tried. From jluis at escomposlinux.org Mon Feb 8 15:43:28 2010 From: jluis at escomposlinux.org (Jose Luis Perez Diez) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:43:28 +0100 Subject: [Shr-User] [CU] application sections In-Reply-To: <1265632067.5809.37.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> References: <1265632067.5809.37.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> Message-ID: <201002081543.28596.jluis@escomposlinux.org> A Dilluns, 8 de de febrer de 2010 13:27:47, Patryk Benderz va escriure: > Thus a question arises: Is it still necessary to keep "Application > updates" alive? > I think it is necessary: 1. not all apps main developer has control over the corresponding bitbake recipe on OE or SHR. 2. Redundancy in this case is very important as every one of us has its "own way". 3. Here is live after SHR, other OE distros, debian, openwrt, gentoo ..., I don't follow most of them but having them makes me happy.. From rms at 1407.org Mon Feb 8 17:09:53 2010 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:09:53 +0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B703751.70005@1407.org> Em 29-12-2009 20:30, Risto H. Kurppa escreveu: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes. > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? No (if PDA == PIM). > What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-u > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? n/a Rui From martix.cz at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 17:33:07 2010 From: martix.cz at gmail.com (Martix) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:33:07 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Openmobility 2010 in Czech Republic + buzz & recamping fix party In-Reply-To: <1265627280.5809.15.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> References: <6cf6c6711002030523wa9c561je7626d6a2245534d@mail.gmail.com> <1265627280.5809.15.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> Message-ID: <6cf6c6711002080833i5606933dq66a43a49210e491e@mail.gmail.com> Yes, there will be czech talks only. But if you want come and talk about something related in english, you can. Please, tell me, if you are interested. 2010/2/8 Patryk Benderz : > [cut] >> Web: http://mobility.openmoko.cz/ > Looks like it is only Czech / Slovak conference? No english talks? > > -- > Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz > Linux Registered User #377521 > () ?ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail > /\ ?www.asciiribbon.org ? - against proprietary attachments > > > Email secured by Check Point > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From baba_melone at yahoo.de Mon Feb 8 19:10:25 2010 From: baba_melone at yahoo.de (hab keen oh ne) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 18:10:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: AW: [CU] release cycle question In-Reply-To: <1265633639.5809.64.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> References: <1265633639.5809.64.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> Message-ID: <480848.68270.qm@web26302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Good Idea. One month seems to be enough in my opinion. ________________________________ Von: Patryk Benderz An: community at lists.openmoko.org Gesendet: Montag, den 8. Februar 2010, 13:53:59 Uhr Betreff: [CU] release cycle question Hello Community, looking back at release dates history of last few Community Updates, you can notice several release delays. This might show, that present 2 weeks release cycle might be too short. Current CU draft [1] is very good example - already delayed 10 days. Although present release cycle is not hardly fixed on 2-week basis, but rather flexible, I propose to extend "official" CUs release cycle to 3 weeks or even one month. What is your opinion, guys? 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URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100208/14a97af0/attachment.htm From serdar at serdar-dere.net Mon Feb 8 19:59:39 2010 From: serdar at serdar-dere.net (Serdar Dere) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 19:59:39 +0100 Subject: Installer Message-ID: <4F96044E-46E3-4652-88A9-05CC3C781D83@serdar-dere.net> Hi there, I am Serdar Dere from Android-on-Freerunner and making an offer to the other distributions. We are useing an installer an old relict from the dead koolu initiative. It works well ... for us. The idea is, that it could work for _all_ distributions of freerunner. The Problem is, that no one touched the code and has a idea how it works, or how to advance it, because it's a dirty hack. The best way to take a look is to try our latest RC1: - download the RC1 from http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner - extract your copy to your fat partition. - launch NOR - boot from disk - wait till it's finished. what is it doing: The installer installs a qi (qi.img could be old) the kernel (kernel.img) and the rootfs (system.img) to nand how to get the code: the code is available on gitorious. - mkdir installer - cd installer - wget http://android.git.kernel.org/repo - chmod a+x repo - ./repo init -u git://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner/freerunner_platform_manifest.git -b installer - ./repo sync you will get the code now. maybe you also want our toolchain: git clone git://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner/platform_prebuilt.git prebuilt and try my patch too: http://serdar-dere.net/~serdar/patch.txt I can't help this installer is a dirty hack and nobody knows how to use it or build it. So I am asking anybody to get it work for any distributions. I can't help that much. Greetings Serdar PS: it would be nice if you can recontribute to us to, so we can add it to our tree. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100208/f946302d/attachment.htm From GNUtoo at no-log.org Mon Feb 8 21:26:04 2010 From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (GNUtoo) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:26:04 +0100 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1265660764.3736.13.camel@gnutoo-desktop> On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 22:30 +0200, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? I often switch the sim card from freerunner to 100%free-on-the-main-cpu version of android in my htcdream,and vice versa: *when shr-unstable is broken I switch to the htcdream *When I need headphones I use htcdream because it stops playing music and play a sound notification,so nice to have when: -->I realy need to be reachable -->The place is noisy But recently(after the last breakage which had no working sliders and no) I used freerunner,until the next breakage I can't use shr-stable because I need something that follows closely org.openembedded.dev branch,because I need to test things that I commit in org.openembedded.dev and I don't want to backport only for testing things. >Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes along with an eeepc that is running angstrom > What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-unstable by the way I also use an old phone as alarm clock. Denis. From openmoko at ginguppin.de Mon Feb 8 21:27:40 2010 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:27:40 +0100 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <20100208181115.8be1ba4d.raster@rasterman.com> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <20100207052928.6fe7ad67.raster@rasterman.com> <1265619231.5809.7.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <20100208181115.8be1ba4d.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: > unfortunately off-limits right now... until... something is publically > announced. keep your ears peeled. :) wait no longer, here it is: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udlxr8t1nZM&feature=youtube_gdata *scnr* From ghislain at basetrend.nl Mon Feb 8 21:30:15 2010 From: ghislain at basetrend.nl (ghislain) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:30:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Installer In-Reply-To: <4F96044E-46E3-4652-88A9-05CC3C781D83@serdar-dere.net> References: <4F96044E-46E3-4652-88A9-05CC3C781D83@serdar-dere.net> Message-ID: <1265661015121-4536832.post@n2.nabble.com> Serdar, I'm using it for the installer-images I create to install QtMoko, I just adjusted the Qi-bootloader (I now use the latest Qi), I made some changes to what to install with BusyBox (removed some, added some), and I changed the init-script (I removed the userdata.img, added "restore" function of qtbackup.tgz). I got the first info on how the installer works from Marcelo Magallon (from the Koolu project), this is what information he told me: /quote: mkdir freerunner-installer cd freerunner-installer cd repo init -u git://git.koolu.org/freerunner/platform/manifest.git -b installer repo sync make That will create something that looks like this: bootloader busybox installer kernel Makefile mtd-utils The script that run on boot is found under installer. You need the OpenMoko toolchain to build this. I believe there's a .deb on the web site (Koolu's I mean) for this. To see how the kernel is built, look first at kernel/Koolu.mk and then at kernel/Makefile.android. rebuild Beware, that makefile is broken, if you change stuff the kernel won't be rebuilt properly, you have to delete out/kernel/arch/arm/boot/uImage to force it to rebuild. :quote/ I just started to update all to the newest versions (kernel, busybox, mtd-utils, etc), but I got stuck in booting the kernel. I need to hack a little more before I can post all the necessary steps (I will also look into your patch to see what it does). Regards, Ghislain http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Installer-tp4536315p4536832.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From GNUtoo at no-log.org Mon Feb 8 21:37:23 2010 From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (GNUtoo) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:37:23 +0100 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: <20091230113736.c0b448cb.raster@rasterman.com> References: <20091230113736.c0b448cb.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <1265661443.3736.23.camel@gnutoo-desktop> On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 11:37 +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > 1. i'd like something not crawlingly slow > 2. i'd like to use the 3g data rates telcos offer here, but where > their 2g data > rates are much more expensive > 3. i'd like it to work when i travel (going to korea and japan for > example only > 3g phones will work). > 4. i want a touchscreen that is large enough to be really usable (as > such the > 2.8" lcd is really more like 2.2 or 2.4" thanks to the bezel - for > input). > 5. again speed, capacity, screen, baseband, usability. Did you hear about recent palm pre progress? It could be the first of the phones-running-semi-free-software to be usable. Denis. From serdar at serdar-dere.net Mon Feb 8 21:39:56 2010 From: serdar at serdar-dere.net (Serdar Dere) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:39:56 +0100 Subject: Installer In-Reply-To: <1265661015121-4536832.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <4F96044E-46E3-4652-88A9-05CC3C781D83@serdar-dere.net> <1265661015121-4536832.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <74A1D422-4A73-4034-B5E8-2206B37D7F28@serdar-dere.net> Am 08.02.2010 um 21:30 schrieb ghislain: > > Serdar, > > I'm using it for the installer-images I create to install QtMoko, I just > adjusted the Qi-bootloader (I now use the latest Qi), I made some changes to > what to install with BusyBox (removed some, added some), and I changed the > init-script (I removed the userdata.img, added "restore" function of > qtbackup.tgz). > > I got the first info on how the installer works from Marcelo Magallon (from > the Koolu project), this is what information he told me: Koolu died, so there is no way of getting some code from them now. > /quote: > > mkdir freerunner-installer > cd freerunner-installer > cd repo init -u git://git.koolu.org/freerunner/platform/manifest.git -b > installer > repo sync > make that's what I tried, it din't worked, I made some patches for useing our toolchain, I only got kernel compileing. > That will create something that looks like this: > bootloader > busybox > installer > kernel > Makefile > mtd-utils > > The script that run on boot is found under installer. You need the > OpenMoko toolchain to build this. I believe there's a .deb on the web > site (Koolu's I mean) for this. To see how the kernel is built, look > first at kernel/Koolu.mk and then at kernel/Makefile.android. > > rebuild > Beware, that makefile is broken, if you change stuff the kernel won't > be rebuilt properly, you have to delete > out/kernel/arch/arm/boot/uImage to force it to rebuild. > > :quote/ > > I just started to update all to the newest versions (kernel, busybox, > mtd-utils, etc), but I got stuck in booting the kernel. I need to hack a > little more before I can post all the necessary steps (I will also look into > your patch to see what it does). > > Regards, > > Ghislain -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100208/66e8e24b/attachment-0001.htm From ghislain at basetrend.nl Mon Feb 8 21:59:28 2010 From: ghislain at basetrend.nl (ghislain) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:59:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Installer In-Reply-To: <74A1D422-4A73-4034-B5E8-2206B37D7F28@serdar-dere.net> References: <4F96044E-46E3-4652-88A9-05CC3C781D83@serdar-dere.net> <1265661015121-4536832.post@n2.nabble.com> <74A1D422-4A73-4034-B5E8-2206B37D7F28@serdar-dere.net> Message-ID: <1265662768003-4537029.post@n2.nabble.com> Serdar Dere wrote: > >> I got the first info on how the installer works from Marcelo Magallon >> (from >> the Koolu project), this is what information he told me: > I know the Koolu-project died, I was just quoting the info I was given a long time ago. If you want to get it build, just follow the same steps (but now from another git): mkdir freerunner-installer cd freerunner-installer repo init -u git://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner/freerunner_platform_manifest.git -b installer repo sync make Ghislain http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Installer-tp4536315p4537029.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From serdar at serdar-dere.net Mon Feb 8 22:03:39 2010 From: serdar at serdar-dere.net (Serdar Dere) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 22:03:39 +0100 Subject: Installer In-Reply-To: <1265662768003-4537029.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <4F96044E-46E3-4652-88A9-05CC3C781D83@serdar-dere.net> <1265661015121-4536832.post@n2.nabble.com> <74A1D422-4A73-4034-B5E8-2206B37D7F28@serdar-dere.net> <1265662768003-4537029.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1C0F2FC3-FB83-481A-98C0-ED76D9CD4CD7@serdar-dere.net> Am 08.02.2010 um 21:59 schrieb ghislain: > > > Serdar Dere wrote: >> >>> I got the first info on how the installer works from Marcelo Magallon >>> (from >>> the Koolu project), this is what information he told me: >> > > I know the Koolu-project died, I was just quoting the info I was given a > long time ago. > If you want to get it build, just follow the same steps (but now from > another git): > > mkdir freerunner-installer > cd freerunner-installer > repo init -u > git://gitorious.org/android-on-freerunner/freerunner_platform_manifest.git > -b installer > repo sync > make like I told, this won't work. or you got a better toolchain than I have. Greetings Serdar From neiljerram at googlemail.com Mon Feb 8 22:05:03 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:05:03 +0000 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <20100207052928.6fe7ad67.raster@rasterman.com> <1265619231.5809.7.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <20100208181115.8be1ba4d.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <49dd78621002081305g48c794c1vafbab77d9d01bd15@mail.gmail.com> On 8 February 2010 20:27, arne anka wrote: >> unfortunately off-limits right now... until... something is publically >> announced. keep your ears peeled. :) > > wait no longer, here it is: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udlxr8t1nZM&feature=youtube_gdata That is very funny! Neil From hns at computer.org Mon Feb 8 22:15:00 2010 From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 22:15:00 +0100 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <49dd78621002081305g48c794c1vafbab77d9d01bd15@mail.gmail.com> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <20100207052928.6fe7ad67.raster@rasterman.com> <1265619231.5809.7.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <20100208181115.8be1ba4d.raster@rasterman.com> <49dd78621002081305g48c794c1vafbab77d9d01bd15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Am 08.02.2010 um 22:05 schrieb Neil Jerram: > On 8 February 2010 20:27, arne anka wrote: >>> unfortunately off-limits right now... until... something is >>> publically >>> announced. keep your ears peeled. :) >> >> wait no longer, here it is: >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udlxr8t1nZM&feature=youtube_gdata > > That is very funny! Indeed! I would happy if only 5% would come true in the near future (e.g. a camera - 48Mpx is also not "must have"). From serdar at serdar-dere.net Mon Feb 8 22:17:59 2010 From: serdar at serdar-dere.net (Serdar Dere) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 22:17:59 +0100 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <20100207052928.6fe7ad67.raster@rasterman.com> <1265619231.5809.7.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <20100208181115.8be1ba4d.raster@rasterman.com> <49dd78621002081305g48c794c1vafbab77d9d01bd15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2E1B6EDB-8ABC-4961-ABBF-B03D06EBC5F8@serdar-dere.net> But the charger. backflash cooking AND SMS2TOAST!!! Am 08.02.2010 um 22:15 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: > > Am 08.02.2010 um 22:05 schrieb Neil Jerram: > >> On 8 February 2010 20:27, arne anka wrote: >>>> unfortunately off-limits right now... until... something is >>>> publically >>>> announced. keep your ears peeled. :) >>> >>> wait no longer, here it is: >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udlxr8t1nZM&feature=youtube_gdata >> >> That is very funny! > > Indeed! > > I would happy if only 5% would come true in the near future (e.g. a > camera - 48Mpx is also not "must have"). > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From ghislain at basetrend.nl Mon Feb 8 22:20:19 2010 From: ghislain at basetrend.nl (ghislain) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 13:20:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Installer In-Reply-To: <1C0F2FC3-FB83-481A-98C0-ED76D9CD4CD7@serdar-dere.net> References: <4F96044E-46E3-4652-88A9-05CC3C781D83@serdar-dere.net> <1265661015121-4536832.post@n2.nabble.com> <74A1D422-4A73-4034-B5E8-2206B37D7F28@serdar-dere.net> <1265662768003-4537029.post@n2.nabble.com> <1C0F2FC3-FB83-481A-98C0-ED76D9CD4CD7@serdar-dere.net> Message-ID: <1265664019600-4537168.post@n2.nabble.com> Serdar Dere wrote: > > like I told, this won't work. > or you got a better toolchain than I have. > I use the toolchain as described on the wiki-pages: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Downloading_and_installing http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Downloading_and_installing I've installed it in /opt/toolchains/ That works for me. Ghislain http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Installer-tp4536315p4537168.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From neiljerram at googlemail.com Mon Feb 8 22:48:30 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:48:30 +0000 Subject: Basic texting keyboard for zhone In-Reply-To: <49dd78621002080155h35c5bbe8n21b2889b2f879490@mail.gmail.com> References: <49dd78621002071526q3e898404yea27dfb0c6fac23e@mail.gmail.com> <4B6F9AE7.3090300@rpi.edu> <49dd78621002080155h35c5bbe8n21b2889b2f879490@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49dd78621002081348p4f906adcn74a4be9a560e8a47@mail.gmail.com> On 8 February 2010 09:55, Neil Jerram wrote: > On 8 February 2010 05:02, Tony McKeehan wrote: >> Do you have any screenshots? Here is one: http://ossau.homelinux.net/~neil/keyboard.png Regards, Neil From falk at efalk.org Mon Feb 8 23:32:15 2010 From: falk at efalk.org (Edward Falk) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:32:15 -0800 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B7090EF.7090901@efalk.org> >> I bought my Freerunner over a year ago. On the first boot, it made a >> very loud raucus sound which, as far as I know, blew out the speaker, >> as I have never heard an undistorted sound come out of it. > If your speaker really is broken, your Freerunner will probably not be > much use as a phone unless you use hands-free with it. I suggest you > install the latest software so you can be sure it's not a software > problem. If it isn't you'll either have to get the speaker repaired or > live without sound. Is it repairable? > If you want more control, then currently the best > idea is to run alsamixer yes, either remotely or from local terminal. Glad to hear that there's been progress on volume control, but more than a year later and we still need alsamixer for some things? This is not a good sign. >> I tried to develop a GPS application for it, but GPS would not work >> if there was an SD card installed. > I have not heard of such a problem so if It's not exclusive to your > hardware, it is fixed by now. http://n2.nabble.com/Reason-for-GPS-problems-found-tp528814ef1958.html In a nutshell, electrical noise from the SD card slot interfered with the GPS. Your choices were either to remove the SD card or solder in a tiny little capacitor between two of its pins. I also understand that there's a software work-around which turns the SD card off when it's not being used. > Currently, using the Freerunner as both a phone and a PDA I usually can > go for two days before plugging it in overnight. If I use a lot of GPS > for example, the time is shorter but it's not bad at all and suspending > works very well currently. Excellent news. Hopefully, this is because of improved software (which I can install) and not improved hardware (which I can't do anything about). > Well, my suggestion would be to start playing around with the latest > SHR-Unstable. Thanks for the pointers. If I can find the time, I'll give it a try. -ed falk From giacomomariani at yahoo.it Mon Feb 8 23:22:39 2010 From: giacomomariani at yahoo.it (giacomo mariani) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 22:22:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Symbian opensource... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <934939.84640.qm@web27703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> It doesn't look that easy... http://developer.symbian.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2473 http://ideas.symbian.org/Idea/View?ideaid=223 ...but it would be great! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100208/6582be4f/attachment.htm From billk at iinet.net.au Tue Feb 9 00:22:44 2010 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:22:44 +0800 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <20100207052928.6fe7ad67.raster@rasterman.com> <1265619231.5809.7.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <20100208181115.8be1ba4d.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <1265671364.19073.7.camel@rattus> On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 21:27 +0100, arne anka wrote: > > unfortunately off-limits right now... until... something is publically > > announced. keep your ears peeled. :) > > wait no longer, here it is: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udlxr8t1nZM&feature=youtube_gdata > > *scnr* > I pay that one! - was thinking "hmmm ... looks nice ...WHAT THE F..." when the CD appeared :) BillK From mickey at vanille-media.de Tue Feb 9 00:36:33 2010 From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:36:33 +0100 Subject: Symbian opensource... In-Reply-To: <934939.84640.qm@web27703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <934939.84640.qm@web27703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1265672193.3588.33.camel@andromeda> Am Montag, den 08.02.2010, 22:22 +0000 schrieb giacomo mariani: > It doesn't look that easy... > http://developer.symbian.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2473 > http://ideas.symbian.org/Idea/View?ideaid=223 > ...but it would be great Why? (And please don't tell "just because", I'm really interested in learning what benefit you imagine from running Symbian on the FR). Cheers, :M: From jcolbert at netins.net Tue Feb 9 01:04:09 2010 From: jcolbert at netins.net (Jeff) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:04:09 -0600 Subject: [wikireader] Spring update is ready to download In-Reply-To: <4B6B4D36.2050403@free.fr> References: <4B55D0E6.10500@web.de> <4B5EE80E.3010803@free.fr> <4B5EECC5.4000900@web.de> <4B5F17CB.1000109@free.fr> <4B6B4D36.2050403@free.fr> Message-ID: <4B70A679.7070906@netins.net> I am downloading through torrent as I type. 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From neiljerram at googlemail.com Tue Feb 9 01:07:49 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 00:07:49 +0000 Subject: Experiment: better sound on remote end In-Reply-To: <4B6F383A.4020105@debian.org> References: <20091202134744.GA15669@roque.1407.org> <49dd78621002060651h2d77e92cge09ee693647137f6@mail.gmail.com> <4B6D9AA5.7060508@debian.org> <201002070959.06440.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <4B6ECED1.5030705@debian.org> <4B6F383A.4020105@debian.org> Message-ID: <49dd78621002081607l2ed017cetea53ce3fc6f8b9f3@mail.gmail.com> On 7 February 2010 22:01, Gilles Filippini wrote: > Gilles Filippini a ?crit , Le 07/02/2010 15:31: >> Al Johnson a ?crit , Le 07/02/2010 10:59: >>> Routing through the PGA just attenuates the signal slightly before >>> it gets to the mono mixer. Turning the mono mixer setting down from 7 to 6 or >>> 5 will be just as effective. >> >> FWIW, my current working settings are: >> * control.48: 1 >> * control.63: 'Right PGA' >> * control.12: 6 >> * control.5: ?127 >> >> Following your advice, I'll give a try at: >> * control.63: 'Mic 2' >> * control.12: 5 or 4 > > Wow! I've had to lower control.12 to 0 (yes: zero) to have a sound > volume equivalent to my previous settings'. Just to check that I'm understanding correctly... Are you saying that, for you, >> * control.63: 'Mic 2' >> * control.12: 0 gives equally good audio quality as >> * control.63: 'Right PGA' >> * control.12: 6 ? Thanks, Neil From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 9 01:23:40 2010 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 00:23:40 +0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: <4B7090EF.7090901@efalk.org> References: <4B7090EF.7090901@efalk.org> Message-ID: <201002090023.41246.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Monday 08 February 2010, Edward Falk wrote: > >> I bought my Freerunner over a year ago. On the first boot, it made a > >> very loud raucus sound which, as far as I know, blew out the speaker, > >> as I have never heard an undistorted sound come out of it. > > > > If your speaker really is broken, your Freerunner will probably not be > > much use as a phone unless you use hands-free with it. I suggest you > > install the latest software so you can be sure it's not a software > > problem. If it isn't you'll either have to get the speaker repaired or > > live without sound. > > Is it repairable? Potentially, though I suspect it was just distorted because the volume controls were set too high rather than being permanently damaged. > > If you want more control, then currently the best > > idea is to run alsamixer yes, either remotely or from local terminal. > > Glad to hear that there's been progress on volume control, but more than > a year later and we still need alsamixer for some things? This is not a > good sign. There are a couple of GUI mixers for FSO-based distros. Both are mentioned in the wiki now. fso-simplemixer may need a small edit to work with recent fso versions though. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Volume_Control > >> I tried to develop a GPS application for it, but GPS would not work > >> if there was an SD card installed. > > > > I have not heard of such a problem so if It's not exclusive to your > > hardware, it is fixed by now. > > http://n2.nabble.com/Reason-for-GPS-problems-found-tp528814ef1958.html > > In a nutshell, electrical noise from the SD card slot interfered with > the GPS. Your choices were either to remove the SD card or solder in a > tiny little capacitor between two of its pins. I also understand that > there's a software work-around which turns the SD card off when it's not > being used. The software change is a proper fix, not a workaround, and the capacitor is unnecessary even with rootfs on SD. If you read that thread in full you will see that the fix was to properly use the chipset's SD drive strength control rather than just set it to maximum. > > Currently, using the Freerunner as both a phone and a PDA I usually can > > go for two days before plugging it in overnight. If I use a lot of GPS > > for example, the time is shorter but it's not bad at all and suspending > > works very well currently. > > Excellent news. Hopefully, this is because of improved software (which > I can install) and not improved hardware (which I can't do anything about). > > > Well, my suggestion would be to start playing around with the latest > > SHR-Unstable. > > Thanks for the pointers. If I can find the time, I'll give it a try. > > -ed falk > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From csynt8bit at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 01:23:20 2010 From: csynt8bit at gmail.com (Chris Syntichakis) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 00:23:20 +0000 Subject: Symbian opensource... In-Reply-To: <1265672193.3588.33.camel@andromeda> References: <934939.84640.qm@web27703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1265672193.3588.33.camel@andromeda> Message-ID: I am curious, if for example porting Symbian, would have lots of applications ready to run? for example a working Java On 8 February 2010 23:36, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > Am Montag, den 08.02.2010, 22:22 +0000 schrieb giacomo mariani: > > It doesn't look that easy... > > http://developer.symbian.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2473 > > http://ideas.symbian.org/Idea/View?ideaid=223 > > ...but it would be great > > Why? (And please don't tell "just because", I'm really interested in > learning what benefit you imagine from running Symbian on the FR). > > Cheers, > > :M: > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100209/062950a0/attachment.htm From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 9 01:35:17 2010 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 00:35:17 +0000 Subject: Experiment: better sound on remote end In-Reply-To: <49dd78621002081607l2ed017cetea53ce3fc6f8b9f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091202134744.GA15669@roque.1407.org> <4B6F383A.4020105@debian.org> <49dd78621002081607l2ed017cetea53ce3fc6f8b9f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <201002090035.17656.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Tuesday 09 February 2010, Neil Jerram wrote: > On 7 February 2010 22:01, Gilles Filippini wrote: > > Gilles Filippini a ?crit , Le 07/02/2010 15:31: > >> Al Johnson a ?crit , Le 07/02/2010 10:59: > >>> Routing through the PGA just attenuates the signal slightly before > >>> it gets to the mono mixer. Turning the mono mixer setting down from 7 > >>> to 6 or 5 will be just as effective. > >> > >> FWIW, my current working settings are: > >> * control.48: 1 > >> * control.63: 'Right PGA' > >> * control.12: 6 > >> * control.5: 127 > >> > >> Following your advice, I'll give a try at: > >> * control.63: 'Mic 2' > >> * control.12: 5 or 4 > > > > Wow! I've had to lower control.12 to 0 (yes: zero) to have a sound > > volume equivalent to my previous settings'. > > Just to check that I'm understanding correctly... Are you saying > that, for you, > > >> * control.63: 'Mic 2' > >> * control.12: 0 > > gives equally good audio quality as > > >> * control.63: 'Right PGA' > >> * control.12: 6 It may do for him but it might not for you. There is NO universally good setting! Changing control 63 from Mic2 to Right PGA is just reducing the gain a little, which for some people prevents clipping round the mono mixer when control 12 is set too high. The better answer is to set control 12 correctly in the first place. From mickey at vanille-media.de Tue Feb 9 02:24:32 2010 From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:24:32 +0100 Subject: RFC: FSOSHRCON 2010 kickoff Message-ID: <1265678672.3588.57.camel@andromeda> Dear guys, I just returned from FOSDEM (*) where we had a mini Openmoko devroom. Seeing all the interested people and experiencing the scent of imminent breakthroughs wrt. supporting foreign platforms got me really motivated to kick off this year's FSOSHRCON. I consider last year being a good start, but am 100% sure we can do even better this year. Before we go into the detail planning, we have to talk about the rough plans. Here are my proposals, please comment. =Timeframe= I'd like us to meet in summer, i.e. somewhere during the May - August timeframe. We have to try to avoid school holidays and summer vacations (especially for those of us who have kids) though. =Duration= I'm afraid it needs to be a weekend, but we should aim to have two fully productive days (think about losing at least one day for arrival and setup plus cleaning up and departure), so it'd be best if we could either add a friday or a monday to the bouquet. =Location= This largely depends on the scope of this conference. I found last year's meeting @ LinuxHotel very pleasant and supercheap. The requirements are a big room where we can sit on a round or squared table with video and networking equipment. =Program= Last year we had a strong focus on getting to know each other and giving presentations. While that's all good, I'd like to attempt something more focused this year. I would love to come there with some concrete goals, such as: *) Porting SHR to fsogsmd. *) Porting FSO & SHR to the HTC Dream. *) Porting FSO & SHR to the Palm Pre. *) Unbreaking libfso-glib for C users. *) Porting SHR-Settings to Vala. etc. etc. I do think that we can allow for a small amount of presentations, but a really limited one. This year we should strive for a more workshop & code sprint oriented spirit. =Sponsoring= Travel costs are always high. We should try to find some sponsors for this event. That's all that comes to my mind now. I'd love to see all of you in a productive environment again, so let's try hard to make this happen. Cheers, -- :M: From arhuaco at freaks-unidos.net Tue Feb 9 03:51:21 2010 From: arhuaco at freaks-unidos.net (Nelson Castillo) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:51:21 -0500 Subject: [wikireader] Spring update is ready to download In-Reply-To: <4B70A679.7070906@netins.net> References: <4B55D0E6.10500@web.de> <4B5EE80E.3010803@free.fr> <4B5EECC5.4000900@web.de> <4B5F17CB.1000109@free.fr> <4B6B4D36.2050403@free.fr> <4B70A679.7070906@netins.net> Message-ID: <2accc2ff1002081851l23168496t66d5c749202b1412@mail.gmail.com> Mmm. I missed the first email. On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Jeff wrote: > I am downloading through torrent as I type. Please get file through > torrent so we can get more seeders. > http://bit.ly/cGpPqw. spring2010-enpedia.zip 4.41GB Seeding now. I thought I had a bad download until my bit-torrent client checked the hash. The SHA1 of the file is 36ccf3600261e25ae6671ce192684040c38b83b7 . I couldn't uncompress using unzip. I used this (Debian/Ubuntu) to extract the files: aptitude install 7zip-full mkdir wiki-update ; cd wiki-update 7z x ../spring2010-enpedia.zip I just tried it and now I can see the formulas! From joachimp at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 04:25:24 2010 From: joachimp at gmail.com (Joachim Pedersen) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 19:25:24 -0800 Subject: [wikireader] Spring update is ready to download In-Reply-To: <4B70A679.7070906@netins.net> References: <4B55D0E6.10500@web.de> <4B5EE80E.3010803@free.fr> <4B5EECC5.4000900@web.de> <4B5F17CB.1000109@free.fr> <4B6B4D36.2050403@free.fr> <4B70A679.7070906@netins.net> Message-ID: <4fedeb3c1002081925m769f6f88yc487a78027975aa4@mail.gmail.com> Seeding also Great work people, this update is really really nice, I love the equation rendering! -Joachim ------------------------------ From thomas.hocedez at free.fr Tue Feb 9 08:28:35 2010 From: thomas.hocedez at free.fr (Thomas HOCEDEZ) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:28:35 +0100 Subject: [wikireader] Fully automated generation script Message-ID: <4B710EA3.4090706@free.fr> (This message was first send on the wrong tree, sorry) Hi wikireaders, As I told before, my automated script is ready !And this script is totally "cronable" :! It manage every step, from downloading Wikipedia archive in your language to the installation. it is available here :http://freerunner.daily.free.fr/files/autowiki.sh Just modify with your ftp parameters (for ftp'ing images)& mail (to be adverted on each step). then launch $ autowiki.sh fr for french Wikipedia $ autowiki be for Biello-russian Wikipedia Some of you would say that it also could check if the wikireader folder exists& install or upgrade source from the git, well, I let you some work to do;-) I'm still available for any suggestion or anything else. The code is following. #!/bin/sh # Automation script for rendering a Wikipedia image for the FR # Written by AstHrO / openmoko-fr.org /thomas.hocedez at free.fr # V 1.0 # Todo # param1 : language (fr,en,be,lu....) # ========================= # Ftp host configuration : ftp_host="" ftp_login="" ftp_passd="" mail="" # Folder where the wikireader tools are installed wr_folder="/media/stocks/wikireader" # ========================= # Language extension of the WP (fr,en, nl ...) if [[ "$1" = "" ]]; then lang="fr" else lang=$1 fi # You don't have to change following stuff, but you can ... cfile="${lang}wiki-latest-pages-articles.xml.bz2" ufile="${lang}wiki-latest-pages-articles.xml" mail_msg="message.txt" sep="==============================================================" echo "---"> $mail_msg # Going to the working folder : cd $wr_folder # cleaning old treatments : echo $sep echo "Step 1 : CLeaning..." make clean&>/dev/null # downloading interesting WP : echo $sep echo "Step 2 : Downloading dump ..." rm $cfile&>null wgethttp://download.wikimedia.org/${lang}wiki/latest/$cfile ls -l $cfile | mail -s "[WR] Wikipedia dump downloaded" "$mail"< $mail_msg # uncompressing : echo $sep echo "Step 3 : Uncompressing ..." rm $ufile&>/dev/null bzip2 -d ./$cfile 2> log.txt&1> /dev/null #creating some folders : mkdir work&>/dev/null mkdir image&>/dev/null echo $sep echo "Step 4 : Indexing Articles..." # Creating index of articles : make index XML_FILES="$ufile" DESTDIR=image WORKDIR=work 2> log.txt 1> /dev/null # Parsing : (30>60 sec / 1000) echo $sep echo "Step 5 : Parsing Articles ..." make parse -j3 XML_FILES="$ufile" DESTDIR=image WORKDIR=work 2>log.txt #mail -s "[WR] Parsing of $ufile complete !" "$mail"< $mail_msg # Rendering the file : (60>200 sec / 1000) echo $sep echo "Step 6 : Rendering ..." make render -j3 XML_FILES="$ufile" DESTDIR=image WORKDIR=work 2>log.txt #mail -s "[WR] Rendering of $ufile complete !" "$mail"< $mail_msg echo $sep echo "Step 7 : Finalizing ..." # Combining articles indexes (few seconds) make combine -j3 DESTDIR=image WORKDIR=work> $mail_msg # Generating a Hash (last few seconds dude !) make hash -j3 DESTDIR=image WORKDIR=work>> $mail_msg # Going to output folder cd image echo $sep echo "Step 8 : Compressing files..." # Compressing data files tar -cvf wr_${lang}_$(date '+%d-%m-%Y').tar.gz pedia*.* # a little HASH to be sure ... shasum wr_${lang}_$(date '+%d-%m-%Y').tar.gz> sha_${lang}.txt #mail -s "[WR] Hash of your file..." "$mail"< $mail_msg echo $sep echo "Step 9 : Let's FTP all this !" # Let's FTP all this stuff ftp -n<< EOF open $ftp_host user $ftp_login $ftp_passd binary put wr_${lang}_$(date '+%d-%m-%Y').tar.gz EOF echo $sep echo "Step 10 : Enjoy !" #mail -s "[WR] All done, WP image ready to use !" "$mail" # That's it you can now send a mail to your friends. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Thomas HOCEDEZ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100209/a337ee97/attachment.htm From thomas.hocedez at free.fr Tue Feb 9 08:33:01 2010 From: thomas.hocedez at free.fr (Thomas HOCEDEZ) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:33:01 +0100 Subject: [wikireader] Spring update is ready to download In-Reply-To: <4B70A679.7070906@netins.net> References: <4B55D0E6.10500@web.de> <4B5EE80E.3010803@free.fr> <4B5EECC5.4000900@web.de> <4B5F17CB.1000109@free.fr> <4B6B4D36.2050403@free.fr> <4B70A679.7070906@netins.net> Message-ID: <4B710FAD.9010802@free.fr> Just nice ! Equation rendering is an impressive feature. You can add also that the french codes have been included in the Wikireader rendering script. Just a little info about Fosdem : I was fixing some Freerunners @ TuxBrain site (I have to thank them a lot !), and I put my Wikireader as a waiting room (though the NanoNote was more impressive), and a lot of people aked us if we were selling it there ! I could have sold at least 10 ... This pretty thing seems to be attreactive. Regards, -- Thomas HOCEDEZ From ed at kapitein.org Tue Feb 9 09:20:39 2010 From: ed at kapitein.org (Ed Kapitein) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:20:39 +0100 Subject: [wikireader] Fully automated generation script In-Reply-To: <4B710EA3.4090706@free.fr> References: <4B710EA3.4090706@free.fr> Message-ID: <1265703639.12740.7.camel@lp-00079.dt01.tno.nl> Hi Thomas, Since you are available for suggestions.... :-) Perhaps it is a good idea to use the iso country codes from [1] to define a language. autowiki.sh be would fetch the belgium wikipedia in that case. Kind regards, Ed [1] http://www.iso.org/iso/country_codes/iso_3166_code_lists/english_country_names_and_code_elements.htm On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 08:28 +0100, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: > (This message was first send on the wrong tree, sorry) > > Hi wikireaders, > > As I told before, my automated script is ready !And this script is > totally "cronable" :! > It manage every step, from downloading Wikipedia archive in your > language to the installation. > > it is available here : http://freerunner.daily.free.fr/files/autowiki.sh > Just modify with your ftp parameters (for ftp'ing images) & mail (to be > adverted on each step). then launch > > $ autowiki.sh fr > > for french Wikipedia > > $ autowiki be > > for Biello-russian Wikipedia > > > Some of you would say that it also could check if the wikireader folder > exists & install or upgrade source from the git, well, I let you some > work to do ;-) > > > I'm still available for any suggestion or anything else. > > The code is following. > > #!/bin/sh > # Automation script for rendering a Wikipedia image for the FR > # Written by AstHrO / openmoko-fr.org / thomas.hocedez at free.fr > # V 1.0 > # Todo > # param1 : language (fr,en,be,lu....) > > # ========================= > # Ftp host configuration : > > ftp_host="" > ftp_login="" > ftp_passd="" > mail="" > > # Folder where the wikireader tools are installed > > wr_folder="/media/stocks/wikireader" > > # ========================= > > # Language extension of the WP (fr,en, nl ...) > if [[ "$1" = "" ]]; then > lang="fr" > else > lang=$1 > fi > > > # You don't have to change following stuff, but you can ... > cfile="${lang}wiki-latest-pages-articles.xml.bz2" > ufile="${lang}wiki-latest-pages-articles.xml" > mail_msg="message.txt" > sep="==============================================================" > > echo "---" > $mail_msg > > # Going to the working folder : > cd $wr_folder > > # cleaning old treatments : > echo $sep > echo "Step 1 : CLeaning..." > make clean &>/dev/null > > # downloading interesting WP : > echo $sep > echo "Step 2 : Downloading dump ..." > rm $cfile &>null > wget http://download.wikimedia.org/${lang}wiki/latest/$cfile > ls -l $cfile | mail -s "[WR] Wikipedia dump downloaded" "$mail" < $mail_msg > > # uncompressing : > echo $sep > echo "Step 3 : Uncompressing ..." > rm $ufile &>/dev/null > bzip2 -d ./$cfile 2> log.txt &1> /dev/null > > #creating some folders : > mkdir work &>/dev/null > mkdir image &>/dev/null > > echo $sep > echo "Step 4 : Indexing Articles..." > # Creating index of articles : > make index XML_FILES="$ufile" DESTDIR=image WORKDIR=work 2> log.txt 1> > /dev/null > > # Parsing : (30>60 sec / 1000) > echo $sep > echo "Step 5 : Parsing Articles ..." > make parse -j3 XML_FILES="$ufile" DESTDIR=image WORKDIR=work 2>log.txt > #mail -s "[WR] Parsing of $ufile complete !" "$mail" < $mail_msg > > # Rendering the file : (60>200 sec / 1000) > echo $sep > echo "Step 6 : Rendering ..." > make render -j3 XML_FILES="$ufile" DESTDIR=image WORKDIR=work 2>log.txt > #mail -s "[WR] Rendering of $ufile complete !" "$mail" < $mail_msg > > echo $sep > echo "Step 7 : Finalizing ..." > # Combining articles indexes (few seconds) > make combine -j3 DESTDIR=image WORKDIR=work > $mail_msg > > # Generating a Hash (last few seconds dude !) > make hash -j3 DESTDIR=image WORKDIR=work >> $mail_msg > > # Going to output folder > cd image > echo $sep > echo "Step 8 : Compressing files..." > # Compressing data files > tar -cvf wr_${lang}_$(date '+%d-%m-%Y').tar.gz pedia*.* > > # a little HASH to be sure ... > shasum wr_${lang}_$(date '+%d-%m-%Y').tar.gz > sha_${lang}.txt > #mail -s "[WR] Hash of your file..." "$mail" < $mail_msg > echo $sep > echo "Step 9 : Let's FTP all this !" > # Let's FTP all this stuff > ftp -n << EOF > open $ftp_host > user $ftp_login $ftp_passd > binary > put wr_${lang}_$(date '+%d-%m-%Y').tar.gz > EOF > echo $sep > echo "Step 10 : Enjoy !" > #mail -s "[WR] All done, WP image ready to use !" "$mail" > > # That's it you can now send a mail to your friends. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- > Thomas HOCEDEZ > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From guru at unixarea.de Tue Feb 9 09:58:38 2010 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:58:38 +0100 Subject: USB cdce stopped working In-Reply-To: <20100208153308.GA2071@current.Sisis.de> References: <20100208153308.GA2071@current.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <20100209085838.GA2277@current.Sisis.de> El d?a Monday, February 08, 2010 a las 04:33:08PM +0100, Matthias Apitz escribi?: > > Hello, > > I've just realised that while plug-in my OpenMoko Freerunner into the > USB port it does not give a cdce0 interface, but just an error: > > Feb 8 16:29:26 current kernel: usb2_alloc_device:1569: set address 2 > failed (USB_ERR_STALLED, ignored) > Feb 8 16:29:26 current kernel: usb2_alloc_device:1607: getting device > descriptor at addr 2 failed, USB_ERR_STALLED! > Feb 8 16:29:27 current kernel: usb2_req_re_enumerate:1519: addr=2, set > address failed! (USB_ERR_STALLED, ignored) > Feb 8 16:29:27 current kernel: usb2_req_re_enumerate:1533: getting > device descriptor at addr 2 failed, USB_ERR_STALLED! > Feb 8 16:29:28 current kernel: usb2_req_re_enumerate:1519: addr=2, set > address failed! (USB_ERR_STALLED, ignored) > Feb 8 16:29:28 current kernel: usb2_req_re_enumerate:1533: getting > device descriptor at addr 2 failed, USB_ERR_STALLED! > Feb 8 16:29:28 current kernel: ugen5.2: <(null)> at usbus5 > (disconnected) > Feb 8 16:29:28 current kernel: uhub_reattach_port:416: could not > allocate new device! > > Until some days ago it worked (and I have not changed) the kernel since > then: > > # uname -a > FreeBSD current.Sisis.de 8.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT #5: Sun Jan 10 > 09:55:14 CET 2010 guru at current.Sisis.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > i386 > > # bzip2 -dc messages.*.bz2 | fgrep cdce > Feb 5 12:51:21 current kernel: cdce0: on usbus5 > Feb 5 12:51:21 current kernel: ue0: on cdce0 ... Hello, It turned out that the fault was the USB cable, i.e. the cable which comes with the FR was somehow broken and stopped working. Other USB cables are working fine. The broken cable still was charging the FR, though; Are there any known issues with the FR USB cable? How is the best way to measure the connection in the cable to see which line is causing the fault? I'm just wanting to know, even it's cheaper to buy a new one :-) Thx matthias > Feb 5 14:50:17 current kernel: cdce0: on usbus5 > Feb 5 14:50:17 current kernel: ue0: on cdce0 > Feb 5 17:03:25 current kernel: cdce0: at uhub0, port 1, addr 2 (disconnected) > Feb 4 14:21:52 current kernel: cdce0: on usbus5 > Feb 4 14:21:52 current kernel: ue0: on cdce0 > Feb 4 15:00:05 current kernel: cdce0: at uhub0, port 1, addr 2 (disconnected) > Feb 4 16:05:07 current kernel: cdce0: on usbus5 > Feb 4 16:05:07 current kernel: ue0: on cdce0 > Feb 4 17:16:48 current kernel: cdce0: at uhub0, port 1, addr 2 (disconnected) > > What could be the reason for the above message? Thx > > matthias > > -- > Matthias Apitz > t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 > e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ > Vote NO to EU The Lisbon Treaty: http://www.no-means-no.eu -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Vote NO to EU The Lisbon Treaty: http://www.no-means-no.eu From robin.paulson at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 10:01:14 2010 From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 22:01:14 +1300 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: <4B6DDC15.8060709@efalk.org> References: <4B6DDC15.8060709@efalk.org> Message-ID: <2f3aa2771002090101v6c49a7f4vd503ecf09b4e4aa2@mail.gmail.com> On 7 February 2010 10:16, Ed Falk wrote: > I bought my Freerunner over a year ago. ?On the first boot, it made a > very loud raucus sound which, as far as I know, blew out the speaker, as > I have never heard an undistorted sound come out of it. am i still using my fr? i realised that mobile phones are another pointless gadget that ultimately doesn't make my life any better, and are only there to funnel more money and control to vodafone/other bad telcos. so, no i'm not using my fr, or any phone. and loving it! and probably about to unsubscribe from here From raster at rasterman.com Tue Feb 9 10:25:15 2010 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:25:15 +1100 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: <1265661443.3736.23.camel@gnutoo-desktop> References: <20091230113736.c0b448cb.raster@rasterman.com> <1265661443.3736.23.camel@gnutoo-desktop> Message-ID: <20100209202515.183d82c8.raster@rasterman.com> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:37:23 +0100 GNUtoo said: > On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 11:37 +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > 1. i'd like something not crawlingly slow > > 2. i'd like to use the 3g data rates telcos offer here, but where > > their 2g data > > rates are much more expensive > > 3. i'd like it to work when i travel (going to korea and japan for > > example only > > 3g phones will work). > > 4. i want a touchscreen that is large enough to be really usable (as > > such the > > 2.8" lcd is really more like 2.2 or 2.4" thanks to the bezel - for > > input). > > 5. again speed, capacity, screen, baseband, usability. > Did you hear about recent palm pre progress? > It could be the first of the phones-running-semi-free-software to be > usable. yes. i know. :) if its the sdl stuff for webos - then thats doable as its "in the future" a supported mechanism for pre's. if its the fso reverse engineering and making modem etc. work - then thats an anti-vendor port .. and will be of limited value in the long run. as the vendor will never help you - if anyting they will actively thwart you over time. vendors need to support such work and consider at a minimum of adopting it in future for it to be viable. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From raster at rasterman.com Tue Feb 9 10:27:38 2010 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:27:38 +1100 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <20100207052928.6fe7ad67.raster@rasterman.com> <1265619231.5809.7.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <20100208181115.8be1ba4d.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <20100209202738.e73405be.raster@rasterman.com> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:27:40 +0100 "arne anka" said: > > unfortunately off-limits right now... until... something is publically > > announced. keep your ears peeled. :) > > wait no longer, here it is: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udlxr8t1nZM&feature=youtube_gdata > > *scnr* awesome.. if my world lived inside a 2d rendering farm ... maybe i could live on pandora and become blue and 10ft tall. :) -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From shanka.mns at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 10:51:24 2010 From: shanka.mns at gmail.com (Shashank Bharadwaj) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:21:24 +0530 Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21361d0d1002090151s4d5c9012t7b5645db38b2f635@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes > What distribution you run most of the time? Android (Cupcake now, hoping that eclair will become much more usable in a few weeks) Thanks Shashank From shanka.mns at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 11:01:09 2010 From: shanka.mns at gmail.com (Shashank Bharadwaj) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:31:09 +0530 Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21361d0d1002090201t29bf1128t4d709c293437a96f@mail.gmail.com> Adding Android Community into the loop :) Common guys right now survey says only 2 people use Android as they primary OS. Time to change that? On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? > > What distribution you run most of the time? > > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? > > > Thank you :) > > > r > > -- > | risto h. kurppa > | risto at kurppa dot fi > | http://risto.kurppa.fi > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Regards Shashank As our circle of knowledge expands, so does the circumference of darkness surrounding it - Albert Einstein From benjamin at py-soft.co.uk Tue Feb 9 11:03:24 2010 From: benjamin at py-soft.co.uk (Benjamin Donnachie) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:03:24 +0000 Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: <21361d0d1002090201t29bf1128t4d709c293437a96f@mail.gmail.com> References: <21361d0d1002090201t29bf1128t4d709c293437a96f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <732076a81002090203v4c72a489sfdb7262dfec715bc@mail.gmail.com> I found the FR too unstable and went back to using my ancient Nokia. However, Android was one of better OSes I tried. Ben From giacomomariani at yahoo.it Tue Feb 9 11:47:04 2010 From: giacomomariani at yahoo.it (giacomo `giotti` mariani) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:47:04 +0100 Subject: Symbian opensource... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B713D28.5050203@yahoo.it> > > Why? (And please don't tell "just because", I'm really interested in > learning what benefit you imagine from running Symbian on the FR). > > Cheers, > Because: -it is very well documented http://developer.symbian.org/main/documentation/index.php; -it looks very fast and well suited for freerunner http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/index.php/Symbian_OS_Internals/1._Introducing_EKA2#Design_goals; -a new, very active and wide community is rising and joining/merging may be very fruitful; -a lot of software with source code (indeed compilable for freerunner) seems to exist. and, of course, because it can be done. bye -- /_\ The ASCII Per comunicare in modo riservato: \_/ Ribbon Campaign gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net \ X Against HTML --recv-keys 20611EAD /_\ Email! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Try to save your soul: http://www.godfanclub.tk/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From info at apertum.it Tue Feb 9 13:09:41 2010 From: info at apertum.it (-= Apertum =-) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:09:41 +0100 Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: <21361d0d1002090201t29bf1128t4d709c293437a96f@mail.gmail.com> References: <21361d0d1002090201t29bf1128t4d709c293437a96f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B715085.1040307@apertum.it> * Shashank Bharadwaj wrote, Il 09/02/2010 11:01: > Adding Android Community into the loop :) > Common guys right now survey says only 2 people use Android as they > primary OS. Time to change that? > I really dont' like the dev model behind Android. It's not a shared developing and knowledge, also if it's formally opensource. And i dont' like the idea to make OSs, browsers, and generally any apps, all Google/onebrand/company centered. IMHO it's also a _lot_ dangerous. I don't like it, so I don't use it. I really like QtMoko, and any weeks it's always a better piece of software :-) -- Andrea From captain.deadly at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 13:13:33 2010 From: captain.deadly at gmail.com (Arigead) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:13:33 +0000 Subject: Latest SHR-? In-Reply-To: <1264777786.23539.58.camel@rattus> References: <201001290815.o0T8F7Xu014620@post.webmailer.de> <1264777786.23539.58.camel@rattus> Message-ID: <4B71516D.2050204@gmail.com> William Kenworthy wrote: > On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 09:15 +0100, neo at el-hennig.de wrote: >>> I'm not using shr-t or any .29-rc3 kernel, so I cannot comment. But on >>> shr ML and trac there was few reports about not getting GPS lock or GSM >>> channel (even with debug kernel) and at least 3 people said that they >>> are having this problem more often with nodebug kernel. >> I am one of those people ;-) the problem with registering GSM is not caused by the 'fast' kernel. However it occurs more often using the 'fast' kernel. Obviously there is something going wrong in FSO if the system responds much quicker than before with the debug kernel. I discussed that with Mickey last week during our regular munich openmoko meeting nd he is currently working on a solution for that problem, time permitting. >> >>> So I asked spaetz (maintainer of shr-t) and he said that we should >>> rather revert back to debug (as it's slower but as some say more >>> stable). If we want to test nodebug kernel, we should do it rather in >>> shr-u and *after* testing use it in shr-t too. >> With the new kernel I was able to register GSM only when I gave the system something to do (start navit for example). Then the modem registered correctly and the PIN dialogue popped up. Sounds strange, but it's just like that (a tribute to the mouse ;-) ). At the moment the debug kernel is better suited for every day use, but on the other hand the system speed the freerunner is capable of is amazing. >> > > The GSM chipset in my a5 FR worked ok on the 24 kernel, so-so on the .28 > kernel - often took a number of reboots before the serial port would > work to allow the OS to configure GSM. A *standard* unmodified .29 has > never worked :( > > The fix for me was to make .29 behave like a .28 kernel and enable the > GSM ... and leave it enabled. In .29 the kernel was changed to follow > the specs and "strobe" the enable line (enable, wait 500ms, disable) > which seems to work for everybody else but me (!) This current, > modified kernel is perhaps the best behaved as far as GSM serial port > goes that I have had up until now. And yes, there were a number of bug > reports made and investigated with the consensus that my GSM chipset is > faulty - however I am of the opinion that the kernel and framework > handing of GSM is still not quite right and my chipset is just far > enough out to cause problems. > > If you check the logs and it seems that the serial port is the problem, > try the kernel and modules below. > > "http://wdk.dyndns.org/freerunner/" > > unpack the modules to /lib/modules - it will be in 2.6.29-rc3-wdk so > wont overwrite your current modules :) > flash the kernel and boot. > > To return to your original, just reflash the old kernel and delete the > new modules if finished with them. > > Use at own risk, yadda yadda ... > > This kernel been working very well for me for about a week, the gsm mod > for about 6 months - have fun, > Billk > > * Note that most of the fixes were from the mailing list, only the GSM > one is mine. > > "http://wdk.dyndns.org/freerunner/" > > Mods: > * there are a couple of other msleeps in this file I set as well, but > this was the critical fix for me! > neo1973_pm_gsm.c > neo1973_gpb_setpin(GTA01_GPIO_MODEM_ON, 1); > msleep(500); > /* neo1973_gpb_setpin(GTA01_GPIO_MODEM_ON, 0); leaves line high > so serial stays working*/ > > Config was basic shr-t nodebug, with more debug items off, slub > allocator and -O2 optimisation. It also has a 100ms delay for wifi as > discussed on the list (where they recommended 10ms, neither value makes > a difference to me, but I am not sure I suffer from the problem anyway - > experimentation :) and a patch to wm8753.c to allow -O2 optimisation to > compile. The .config (as config-wdk) is at the above address. > All functions (wifi, usb, gsm, bluetooth, ...) seem to work > well. > Thanks a million Billk I've been out of the FR since just before Christmas but got back to it last week and installed the latest SHR-U My GSM refused to work with it but this kernel did the trick. Have a load of catching up to do,but thanks for the fix From sean at openmoko.com Tue Feb 9 14:22:37 2010 From: sean at openmoko.com (Sean Moss-Pultz) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 21:22:37 +0800 Subject: [wikireader] Spring update is ready to download In-Reply-To: <4fedeb3c1002081925m769f6f88yc487a78027975aa4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B55D0E6.10500@web.de> <4B5EE80E.3010803@free.fr> <4B5EECC5.4000900@web.de> <4B5F17CB.1000109@free.fr> <4B6B4D36.2050403@free.fr> <4B70A679.7070906@netins.net> <4fedeb3c1002081925m769f6f88yc487a78027975aa4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6cfff7041002090522p6d347eedwde312fcdc6fb2304@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Joachim Pedersen wrote: > Seeding also > Great work people, this update is really really nice, I love the > equation rendering! Thanks for the kind words. We're super excited about this one! Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100209/f7ceb0c0/attachment.htm From nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com Tue Feb 9 15:12:27 2010 From: nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com (Niels Heyvaert) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:12:27 +0000 Subject: [CU] release cycle question In-Reply-To: <1265633639.5809.64.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> References: <1265633639.5809.64.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> Message-ID: > Although present release cycle is not hardly fixed on 2-week basis, but > rather flexible, I propose to extend "official" CUs release cycle to 3 > weeks or even one month. > What is your opinion, guys? Three weeks would indeed be better. But having a CU just once per month could be too low. The CU itself can become too large to manage, I think. It can also help to send a reminder for adding to the CU one week before releasing to the community list to get some more content added from distros and applications. In any case, thanks for your support! Niels. -- Microsoft gives you windows, Linux gives you the whole house. _________________________________________________________________ Lentekriebels? Speel samen met je vrienden de spelletjes die Windows Live je aanbiedt! http://www.messengerbillboard.be/nl/play From pini at debian.org Tue Feb 9 18:56:02 2010 From: pini at debian.org (Gilles Filippini) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:56:02 +0100 Subject: Experiment: better sound on remote end In-Reply-To: <49dd78621002081607l2ed017cetea53ce3fc6f8b9f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091202134744.GA15669@roque.1407.org> <49dd78621002060651h2d77e92cge09ee693647137f6@mail.gmail.com> <4B6D9AA5.7060508@debian.org> <201002070959.06440.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <4B6ECED1.5030705@debian.org> <4B6F383A.4020105@debian.org> <49dd78621002081607l2ed017cetea53ce3fc6f8b9f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B71A1B2.1010104@debian.org> Neil Jerram a ?crit , Le 09/02/2010 01:07: > Just to check that I'm understanding correctly... Are you saying > that, for you, > >>> * control.63: 'Mic 2' >>> * control.12: 0 > > gives equally good audio quality as > >>> * control.63: 'Right PGA' >>> * control.12: 6 > > ? Indeed. But I've only compared them in a very quiet environment so far. _g. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 490 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100209/e3b25a88/attachment.pgp From GNUtoo at no-log.org Tue Feb 9 19:21:01 2010 From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (GNUtoo) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:21:01 +0100 Subject: [SHR-U] [Navit] Buttons/icons broken In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1265739661.3731.32.camel@gnutoo-desktop> On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 08:35 +0100, Christ van Willegen wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm running the latest SHR-U with Navit installed. > > On the map screen, the zoom_in and zom_out buttons are not displayed > at all. Also, when using it for navigation, I only get the distance to > the next navigational item, but not what I'm supposed to do there (it > only shows a square). svg seem not suported(maybe bad compilation option). Try to change from svg to png for the zoom butons(that worked for me). Denis. From John.Gay at ge.com Tue Feb 9 20:36:19 2010 From: John.Gay at ge.com (Gay, John (GE Infra, Energy, Non-GE)) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:36:19 -0500 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: <20100209202515.183d82c8.raster@rasterman.com> References: <20091230113736.c0b448cb.raster@rasterman.com><1265661443.3736.23.camel@gnutoo-desktop> <20100209202515.183d82c8.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: > On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:37:23 +0100 GNUtoo said: > > On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 11:37 +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > 1. i'd like something not crawlingly slow 2. i'd like to use the 3g > > data rates telcos offer here, but where their 2g data rates are much > > more expensive 3. i'd like it to work when i travel (going to korea > > and japan for example only 3g phones will work). > > 4. i want a touchscreen that is large enough to be really usable (as > > such the 2.8" lcd is really more like 2.2 or 2.4" thanks to the > > bezel - for input). > > 5. again speed, capacity, screen, baseband, usability. > Did you hear about recent palm pre progress? > It could be the first of the phones-running-semi-free-software to be > usable. I find the Flow G1.5 from http://www.gizmoforyou.net quite an interesting dev-kit. Wish I had 520 Euro spare to play with. Also the Daughter VX 1.0 and the PXA Gaming Platform look almost as fun. Again, if I had some spare cash, I'd have both of these as well. I do have a GP2X, which was the forerunner of Pandora. It's not vaporware, despite appearances. Unfortunately, I don't have enough money to play with all these emerging embedded toys and test gravity regularly, and I'd prefer to test gravity. I get less abuse from the wife testing gravity than playing with code. Cheers, John Gay From ml at vdm-design.de Tue Feb 9 21:10:11 2010 From: ml at vdm-design.de (Thomas Zimmermann) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 21:10:11 +0100 Subject: RFC: FSOSHRCON 2010 kickoff In-Reply-To: <1265678672.3588.57.camel@andromeda> References: <1265678672.3588.57.camel@andromeda> Message-ID: <201002092110.11277.ml@vdm-design.de> Am Dienstag 09 Februar 2010 02:24:32 schrieb Michael 'Mickey' Lauer: > Dear guys, > > I just returned from FOSDEM (*) where we had a mini Openmoko devroom. > Seeing all the interested people and experiencing the scent of imminent > breakthroughs wrt. supporting foreign platforms got me really motivated > to kick off this year's FSOSHRCON. I consider last year being a good > start, but am 100% sure we can do even better this year. > > Before we go into the detail planning, we have to talk about the rough > plans. Here are my proposals, please comment. > > =Timeframe= > > I'd like us to meet in summer, i.e. somewhere during the May - August > timeframe. We have to try to avoid school holidays and summer vacations > (especially for those of us who have kids) though. In that Timeframe i wouldn't have time at the following weekends: * 22.-23.5. * 17.-18.7. * 24.-25.7. * 31.7.-1.8. * 14.-15.8. > =Duration= > > I'm afraid it needs to be a weekend, but we should aim to have two fully > productive days (think about losing at least one day for arrival and > setup plus cleaning up and departure), so it'd be best if we could > either add a friday or a monday to the bouquet. > > =Location= > > This largely depends on the scope of this conference. I found last > year's meeting @ LinuxHotel very pleasant and supercheap. The > requirements are a big room where we can sit on a round or squared table > with video and networking equipment. I would like the LinuxHotel, because there i can go for free ;) > =Program= > > Last year we had a strong focus on getting to know each other and giving > presentations. While that's all good, I'd like to attempt something more > focused this year. I would love to come there with some concrete goals, > such as: > > *) Porting SHR to fsogsmd. > *) Porting FSO & SHR to the HTC Dream. > *) Porting FSO & SHR to the Palm Pre. > *) Unbreaking libfso-glib for C users. > *) Porting SHR-Settings to Vala. > etc. etc. *) Finalizing opimd > I do think that we can allow for a small amount of presentations, but a > really limited one. This year we should strive for a more workshop & > code sprint oriented spirit. +1 > =Sponsoring= > > Travel costs are always high. We should try to find some sponsors for > this event. > > That's all that comes to my mind now. I'd love to see all of you in a > productive environment again, so let's try hard to make this happen. > > Cheers, > From mok at mnet-online.de Tue Feb 9 21:28:09 2010 From: mok at mnet-online.de (Klaus Kurzmann) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 21:28:09 +0100 Subject: [Shr-Devel] RFC: FSOSHRCON 2010 kickoff In-Reply-To: <1265678672.3588.57.camel@andromeda> References: <1265678672.3588.57.camel@andromeda> Message-ID: <201002092128.09390.mok@mnet-online.de> Am Dienstag 09 Februar 2010 02:24:32 schrieb Michael 'Mickey' Lauer: > Dear guys, > > I just returned from FOSDEM (*) where we had a mini Openmoko devroom. > Seeing all the interested people and experiencing the scent of imminent > breakthroughs wrt. supporting foreign platforms got me really motivated > to kick off this year's FSOSHRCON. I consider last year being a good > start, but am 100% sure we can do even better this year. > > Before we go into the detail planning, we have to talk about the rough > plans. Here are my proposals, please comment. thanks for kickstarting it :-) > > =Timeframe= > > I'd like us to meet in summer, i.e. somewhere during the May - August > timeframe. We have to try to avoid school holidays and summer vacations > (especially for those of us who have kids) though. Being one of those with kids... it doesn't matter. I will organize family vacation before/after it :) > > =Duration= > > I'm afraid it needs to be a weekend, but we should aim to have two fully > productive days (think about losing at least one day for arrival and > setup plus cleaning up and departure), so it'd be best if we could > either add a friday or a monday to the bouquet. > > =Location= > > This largely depends on the scope of this conference. I found last > year's meeting @ LinuxHotel very pleasant and supercheap. The > requirements are a big room where we can sit on a round or squared table > with video and networking equipment. I really enjoyed LinuxHotel +1 > > =Program= > > Last year we had a strong focus on getting to know each other and giving > presentations. While that's all good, I'd like to attempt something more > focused this year. I would love to come there with some concrete goals, > such as: > > *) Porting SHR to fsogsmd. > *) Porting FSO & SHR to the HTC Dream. > *) Porting FSO & SHR to the Palm Pre. > *) Unbreaking libfso-glib for C users. very much appreciated :D > *) Porting SHR-Settings to Vala. > etc. etc. > > I do think that we can allow for a small amount of presentations, but a > really limited one. This year we should strive for a more workshop & > code sprint oriented spirit. getting things done :-) big +1 > > =Sponsoring= > > Travel costs are always high. We should try to find some sponsors for > this event. > > That's all that comes to my mind now. I'd love to see all of you in a > productive environment again, so let's try hard to make this happen. > > Cheers, > -- Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann From mike at mikecrash.com Tue Feb 9 22:17:17 2010 From: mike at mikecrash.com (Mike Crash) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:17:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1265750237892-4543942.post@n2.nabble.com> No Yes Debian -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Quick-e-mail-poll-Still-using-your-Freerunner-tp4229399p4543942.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From serdar at serdar-dere.net Tue Feb 9 22:32:54 2010 From: serdar at serdar-dere.net (Serdar Dere) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:32:54 +0100 Subject: RFC: FSOSHRCON 2010 kickoff In-Reply-To: <1265678672.3588.57.camel@andromeda> References: <1265678672.3588.57.camel@andromeda> Message-ID: <4B71D486.7080401@serdar-dere.net> Am 09.02.10 02:24, schrieb Michael 'Mickey' Lauer: > Dear guys, > > I just returned from FOSDEM (*) where we had a mini Openmoko devroom. > Seeing all the interested people and experiencing the scent of imminent > breakthroughs wrt. supporting foreign platforms got me really motivated > to kick off this year's FSOSHRCON. I consider last year being a good > start, but am 100% sure we can do even better this year. > > Before we go into the detail planning, we have to talk about the rough > plans. Here are my proposals, please comment. > > =Timeframe= > > I'd like us to meet in summer, i.e. somewhere during the May - August > timeframe. We have to try to avoid school holidays and summer vacations > (especially for those of us who have kids) though. > > =Duration= > > I'm afraid it needs to be a weekend, but we should aim to have two fully > productive days (think about losing at least one day for arrival and > setup plus cleaning up and departure), so it'd be best if we could > either add a friday or a monday to the bouquet. > > =Location= > > This largely depends on the scope of this conference. I found last > year's meeting @ LinuxHotel very pleasant and supercheap. The > requirements are a big room where we can sit on a round or squared table > with video and networking equipment. > > =Program= > > Last year we had a strong focus on getting to know each other and giving > presentations. While that's all good, I'd like to attempt something more > focused this year. I would love to come there with some concrete goals, > such as: > > *) Porting SHR to fsogsmd. > *) Porting FSO& SHR to the HTC Dream. > *) Porting FSO& SHR to the Palm Pre. > *) Unbreaking libfso-glib for C users. > *) Porting SHR-Settings to Vala. > etc. etc. > > I do think that we can allow for a small amount of presentations, but a > really limited one. This year we should strive for a more workshop& > code sprint oriented spirit. > > =Sponsoring= > > Travel costs are always high. We should try to find some sponsors for > this event. > > That's all that comes to my mind now. I'd love to see all of you in a > productive environment again, so let's try hard to make this happen. > What's with LPI like the guys on FOSDEM, and LPI certification exams? I would love it and be there. > Cheers, > > From neilb at suse.de Tue Feb 9 23:33:03 2010 From: neilb at suse.de (Neil Brown) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:33:03 +1100 Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: <1265750237892-4543942.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1265750237892-4543942.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20100210093303.7df8fd42@notabene.brown> On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:17:17 -0800 (PST) Mike Crash wrote: > > No > Yes > Debian Yes No Debian The recent innovation of compiling the kernel with the go-slow straps removed has had a significant improvement on my experience. Now if only I could figure out why the gprs is not reliable I'd be on my way to being happy. I guess we cannot hope for the GSM firmware being made open-source... (any New Zealand residents out there? I visited NZ in Jan, bought a 2degrees SIM can and found that I couldn't send SMS messages though receiving and calls were fine. SIM worked fine in another phone. Does anyone else experience that?) NeilBrown From marcus.bauer at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 23:55:09 2010 From: marcus.bauer at gmail.com (Marcus Bauer) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 23:55:09 +0100 Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: <20100210093303.7df8fd42@notabene.brown> References: <1265750237892-4543942.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100210093303.7df8fd42@notabene.brown> Message-ID: <20100209235509.1099afd5@acer> On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:33:03 +1100 Neil Brown wrote: > The recent innovation of compiling the kernel with the go-slow straps > removed has had a significant improvement on my experience. Now if > only I could figure out why the gprs is not reliable I'd be on my way > to being happy. I have never tested GPRS for more than 12 hours but I always felt that it was rocking stable, keeping the connection while moving around. At least on hackable1, rev4 which basically is Debian Lenny. But then maybe your phone is unhappy because it expects your to run SuSE on it ;-) Marcus (who -for the records- used SuSE before they had version numbers and were simply called November 1994, coming in ugly brown boxes with some green thingy on them) From andrew.stephen at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 01:05:30 2010 From: andrew.stephen at gmail.com (Andrew Stephen) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:05:30 +1300 Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: <20100210093303.7df8fd42@notabene.brown> References: <1265750237892-4543942.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100210093303.7df8fd42@notabene.brown> Message-ID: <2e51a0351002091605q60a7a57etccfb44e9644e359c@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Neil Brown wrote: > > (any New Zealand residents out there? ?I visited NZ in Jan, bought a 2degrees > SIM can and found that I couldn't send SMS messages though receiving and > calls were fine. ?SIM worked fine in another phone. Does anyone else > experience that?) I have used a 2degrees SIM with my Freerunner successfully under SHR-u/t for both sending and receiving SMS. Were you here for LCA? -- Andrew Stephen http://www.evil.geek.nz/ It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious. - Oscar Wilde From mihai.dontu at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 01:21:53 2010 From: mihai.dontu at gmail.com (Mihai =?utf-8?q?Don=C8=9Bu?=) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:21:53 +0200 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201002100221.53784.mihai.dontu@gmail.com> On Tuesday 29 December 2009 22:30:53 Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? No. > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? No. > What distribution you run most of the time? I tried android, qtmoko & shr. > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? > I bought an iphone before the freerunner and I have chosen to stick to the iphone until android gets better. There are a number of qualities which are _a must_ for me: * good keyboard with i18n support; * perfectly working phone app; * perfectly working contact app; * perfectly working SMS app; On both shr and qtmoko I can not use the keyboard. If I'm going from touching the screen (iphone) to using a pen to tap on the screen (shr), the keyboard _must_ kick ass. Currently the shr kb is geekish and while I find it interesting, I'm not often in the mood for it. On qtmoko I have something like three kb-s (mmm ...). I'm not even going to talk about i18n support. Then comes the way the phone behaves when I'm receiving a call. I totally hate it when the ring tone (that 1964 ring bell) stutters. There are so many hints you can give to the Linux kernel in order to keep an app "tight" (ie. have all its resources close and ready to use), I just don't get why this _still_ happens in 2010. The last thing is related to the buttons used to send shr/qtmoko into standby and back. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't, sometimes I need a crystal ball. Android is the only distro which is extremely close to what I need (and very close to what iphone offers). It's just a bit too slow at the moment (I have not tested the latest release, with the no-debug kernel). I'm afraid I do not share your views on what should be free and what not. I'm satisfied with what Apple offers me right now (though I'm looking forward to buying a Nexus One too). I used to do embedded programming back in the Symbian-boom days and now I realize I kind of lost my patience with phones. -- Mihai Don?u From serdar at serdar-dere.net Wed Feb 10 01:23:34 2010 From: serdar at serdar-dere.net (Serdar Dere) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:23:34 +0100 Subject: RFC: FSOSHRCON 2010 kickoff In-Reply-To: <1265678672.3588.57.camel@andromeda> References: <1265678672.3588.57.camel@andromeda> Message-ID: <4B71FC86.1070809@serdar-dere.net> I were looking for some dates which is possible. I was searching for local holidays which are set for monday or friday. I found this: 15.02.2010 (Mon) Rosenmontag 02.04.2010 (Fri) Karfreitag 05.04.2010 (Mon) Ostermontag 24.05.2010 (Mon) Pfingstmontag Also for Thirsdays because there are no Tuesday holidays 13.05.2010 (Thi) Christi Himmelfahrt 03.06.2010 (Thi) Fronleichnam Rosenmontag is too early (next monday :)) perfect days are 02-05.04.2010 but maybe too early. 02-05.04.2010 14-18.05.2010 21-24.05.2010 04-08.06.2010 These are my suggestions. Greetings Serdar Am 09.02.10 02:24, schrieb Michael 'Mickey' Lauer: > Dear guys, > > I just returned from FOSDEM (*) where we had a mini Openmoko devroom. > Seeing all the interested people and experiencing the scent of imminent > breakthroughs wrt. supporting foreign platforms got me really motivated > to kick off this year's FSOSHRCON. I consider last year being a good > start, but am 100% sure we can do even better this year. > > Before we go into the detail planning, we have to talk about the rough > plans. Here are my proposals, please comment. > > =Timeframe= > > I'd like us to meet in summer, i.e. somewhere during the May - August > timeframe. We have to try to avoid school holidays and summer vacations > (especially for those of us who have kids) though. > > =Duration= > > I'm afraid it needs to be a weekend, but we should aim to have two fully > productive days (think about losing at least one day for arrival and > setup plus cleaning up and departure), so it'd be best if we could > either add a friday or a monday to the bouquet. > > =Location= > > This largely depends on the scope of this conference. I found last > year's meeting @ LinuxHotel very pleasant and supercheap. The > requirements are a big room where we can sit on a round or squared table > with video and networking equipment. > > =Program= > > Last year we had a strong focus on getting to know each other and giving > presentations. While that's all good, I'd like to attempt something more > focused this year. I would love to come there with some concrete goals, > such as: > > *) Porting SHR to fsogsmd. > *) Porting FSO& SHR to the HTC Dream. > *) Porting FSO& SHR to the Palm Pre. > *) Unbreaking libfso-glib for C users. > *) Porting SHR-Settings to Vala. > etc. etc. > > I do think that we can allow for a small amount of presentations, but a > really limited one. This year we should strive for a more workshop& > code sprint oriented spirit. > > =Sponsoring= > > Travel costs are always high. We should try to find some sponsors for > this event. > > That's all that comes to my mind now. I'd love to see all of you in a > productive environment again, so let's try hard to make this happen. > > Cheers, > > From neilb at suse.de Wed Feb 10 01:42:36 2010 From: neilb at suse.de (Neil Brown) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:42:36 +1100 Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: <2e51a0351002091605q60a7a57etccfb44e9644e359c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1265750237892-4543942.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100210093303.7df8fd42@notabene.brown> <2e51a0351002091605q60a7a57etccfb44e9644e359c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100210114236.25dbc0fd@notabene.brown> On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:05:30 +1300 Andrew Stephen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Neil Brown wrote: > > > > (any New Zealand residents out there? ?I visited NZ in Jan, bought a 2degrees > > SIM can and found that I couldn't send SMS messages though receiving and > > calls were fine. ?SIM worked fine in another phone. Does anyone else > > experience that?) > > I have used a 2degrees SIM with my Freerunner successfully under > SHR-u/t for both sending and receiving SMS. Maybe it was specific to my particular SIM (or a batch of SIMs). I tried bypassing all the UI stuff, connected to the GSM device with mickeyterm, issued: AT+CMGS="phonenumber" > some text goes here and then never got the second '>' prompt to enter "^Z" to. It is not an issue for me any more but it did drop my confidence a little bit. > > Were you here for LCA? > Yes, that and a holiday to escape the hot Sydney summer :-) Nice country you've got there. NeilBrown From neilb at suse.de Wed Feb 10 01:49:19 2010 From: neilb at suse.de (Neil Brown) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:49:19 +1100 Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: <20100209235509.1099afd5@acer> References: <1265750237892-4543942.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100210093303.7df8fd42@notabene.brown> <20100209235509.1099afd5@acer> Message-ID: <20100210114919.66b323b0@notabene.brown> On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 23:55:09 +0100 Marcus Bauer wrote: > On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:33:03 +1100 > Neil Brown wrote: > > The recent innovation of compiling the kernel with the go-slow straps > > removed has had a significant improvement on my experience. Now if > > only I could figure out why the gprs is not reliable I'd be on my way > > to being happy. > > I have never tested GPRS for more than 12 hours but I always felt that > it was rocking stable, keeping the connection while moving around. At > least on hackable1, rev4 which basically is Debian Lenny. I have never had any problem when browsing on the phone itself. But whenever I try to use it as an internet connection for my notebook (usb from notebook to freerunner, with all the appropriate SNAT and routing tables set up) it works for a few hundred K and then just seizes up. I wonder if it is some sort of flow-control issues over the serial link to the GSM device, but that is all supposed to be hardware flow-control and certainly seems to be set up properly. > > But then maybe your phone is unhappy because it expects your to run SuSE > on it ;-) Maybe it is :-) NeilBrown > > Marcus (who -for the records- used SuSE before they had version numbers > and were simply called November 1994, coming in ugly brown boxes with > some green thingy on them) > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From david at tuxbrain.com Wed Feb 10 10:05:42 2010 From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:05:42 +0100 Subject: Fosdem Openmoko DevRoom presentation slides? Message-ID: <5c6ceea81002100105i71298ba4u65977ba891197669@mail.gmail.com> Hello, First accept my apologizes to no be able to go to the DevRoom, In theory I only preview to put some flyes and stickers in Hackable devices stand but when I arrive I found I Wim has arranged a full Tuxbrain table beside them, so I give support to OM form my improvised stand :) , I but I must sacrify barelly all my talks attend agenda. But I you if you can sendme /post a link, of your slides and even better if you have some pic and/or video, I will (and I guess a lot people here too) be very happy. Regards -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Ben NanoNote, Arduino, Openmoko Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! From frederik.sdun at googlemail.com Wed Feb 10 11:02:01 2010 From: frederik.sdun at googlemail.com (Frederik Sdun) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:02:01 +0100 Subject: RFC: FSOSHRCON 2010 kickoff In-Reply-To: <4B71FC86.1070809@serdar-dere.net> References: <1265678672.3588.57.camel@andromeda> <4B71FC86.1070809@serdar-dere.net> Message-ID: Moin, I think Linux Hotel is a good idea, but I hope we'll fit into the room. There're three things up in my mind i want to share: 1) is it possible to do a phone conference using XMPP? This would be a nice feature to connect others, who don't have the time/money to travel to germany. 2) Let's start a UI Workshop: Everyone who has an idea gives a lightening talk (~2-5 mins) to present his/her idea. Then we start discussing (or even arguing) what is good and what's bad and how to integrate it into the system to get a consistent UI/API for SHR. 3) What has to be done to make SHR/FSO devs life easier and comfortable? What frightens people from devoloping new apps/joining team. (I think one big point is, that it is not really transparent, what is going on/what has to be done) Dates: 02-05.04.2010 //imho to early 14-18.05.2010 // colliding with program @ LinuxHotel 21-24.05.2010 // nearly perfect, but maybe i want to celebrate my birthday, no collision 04-08.06.2010 // collision i try to call them today to ask for the dates. here's a picture of last year's attendees http://buildhost.shr-project.org/fsoshrudcon/TheGuys.jpg Regards, Frederik P.S.: No there won't be any LPI certificates available 2010/2/10 Serdar Dere > I were looking for some dates which is possible. > I was searching for local holidays which are set for monday or friday. > I found this: > 15.02.2010 (Mon) Rosenmontag > 02.04.2010 (Fri) Karfreitag > 05.04.2010 (Mon) Ostermontag > 24.05.2010 (Mon) Pfingstmontag > > Also for Thirsdays because there are no Tuesday holidays > 13.05.2010 (Thi) Christi Himmelfahrt > 03.06.2010 (Thi) Fronleichnam > > Rosenmontag is too early (next monday :)) > > perfect days are 02-05.04.2010 but maybe too early. > > 02-05.04.2010 > 14-18.05.2010 > 21-24.05.2010 > 04-08.06.2010 > > These are my suggestions. > > Greetings Serdar > Am 09.02.10 02:24, schrieb Michael 'Mickey' Lauer: > > Dear guys, > > > > I just returned from FOSDEM (*) where we had a mini Openmoko devroom. > > Seeing all the interested people and experiencing the scent of imminent > > breakthroughs wrt. supporting foreign platforms got me really motivated > > to kick off this year's FSOSHRCON. I consider last year being a good > > start, but am 100% sure we can do even better this year. > > > > Before we go into the detail planning, we have to talk about the rough > > plans. Here are my proposals, please comment. > > > > =Timeframe= > > > > I'd like us to meet in summer, i.e. somewhere during the May - August > > timeframe. We have to try to avoid school holidays and summer vacations > > (especially for those of us who have kids) though. > > > > =Duration= > > > > I'm afraid it needs to be a weekend, but we should aim to have two fully > > productive days (think about losing at least one day for arrival and > > setup plus cleaning up and departure), so it'd be best if we could > > either add a friday or a monday to the bouquet. > > > > =Location= > > > > This largely depends on the scope of this conference. I found last > > year's meeting @ LinuxHotel very pleasant and supercheap. The > > requirements are a big room where we can sit on a round or squared table > > with video and networking equipment. > > > > =Program= > > > > Last year we had a strong focus on getting to know each other and giving > > presentations. While that's all good, I'd like to attempt something more > > focused this year. I would love to come there with some concrete goals, > > such as: > > > > *) Porting SHR to fsogsmd. > > *) Porting FSO& SHR to the HTC Dream. > > *) Porting FSO& SHR to the Palm Pre. > > *) Unbreaking libfso-glib for C users. > > *) Porting SHR-Settings to Vala. > > etc. etc. > > > > I do think that we can allow for a small amount of presentations, but a > > really limited one. This year we should strive for a more workshop& > > code sprint oriented spirit. > > > > =Sponsoring= > > > > Travel costs are always high. We should try to find some sponsors for > > this event. > > > > That's all that comes to my mind now. I'd love to see all of you in a > > productive environment again, so let's try hard to make this happen. > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100210/24291d08/attachment.htm From dscaini at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 11:20:54 2010 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:20:54 +0100 Subject: RFC: FSOSHRCON 2010 kickoff In-Reply-To: References: <1265678672.3588.57.camel@andromeda> <4B71FC86.1070809@serdar-dere.net> Message-ID: <18db98c81002100220t20e7236fgc9ed721e7b057726@mail.gmail.com> Even if I'm not a shr/fso dev, I'm really interested in this contest. And in particular the phone conference (or whatever to communicate in those days) would be very appreciated... maybe I could learn something and give a hand in developing (I'm thinking mainly in what is missing now on shr: a stable and flexible telephony app... I tried hackable:1 stuff and it's really well done). Just my 2 cents d -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100210/5ca52e4e/attachment.htm From mickey at vanille-media.de Wed Feb 10 11:38:11 2010 From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:38:11 +0100 Subject: Fosdem Openmoko DevRoom presentation slides? In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea81002100105i71298ba4u65977ba891197669@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c6ceea81002100105i71298ba4u65977ba891197669@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1265798291.3588.66.camel@andromeda> Hehe, I know that, FOSDEM is not always plannable. Anyways, here are my slides: http://www.linuxtogo.org/~mickeyl/FOSDEM2010.pdf -- :M: From frederik.sdun at googlemail.com Wed Feb 10 12:04:17 2010 From: frederik.sdun at googlemail.com (Frederik Sdun) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:04:17 +0100 Subject: RFC: FSOSHRCON 2010 kickoff In-Reply-To: <18db98c81002100220t20e7236fgc9ed721e7b057726@mail.gmail.com> References: <1265678672.3588.57.camel@andromeda> <4B71FC86.1070809@serdar-dere.net> <18db98c81002100220t20e7236fgc9ed721e7b057726@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2010/2/10 Davide Scaini > Even if I'm not a shr/fso dev, I'm really interested in this contest. And > in particular the phone conference (or whatever to communicate in those > days) would be very appreciated... maybe I could learn something and give a > hand in developing (I'm thinking mainly in what is missing now on shr: a > stable and flexible telephony app... I tried hackable:1 stuff and it's > really well done). > Just my 2 cents > d > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > not yet! ;) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100210/3b09fe35/attachment.htm From ml at vdm-design.de Wed Feb 10 12:43:53 2010 From: ml at vdm-design.de (Thomas Zimmermann) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:43:53 +0100 Subject: Fosdem Openmoko DevRoom presentation slides? In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea81002100105i71298ba4u65977ba891197669@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c6ceea81002100105i71298ba4u65977ba891197669@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <201002101243.53276.ml@vdm-design.de> Am Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010 10:05:42 schrieb David Reyes Samblas Martinez: > Hello, > First accept my apologizes to no be able to go to the DevRoom, In > theory I only preview to put some flyes and stickers in Hackable > devices stand but when I arrive I found I Wim has arranged a full > Tuxbrain table beside them, so I give support to OM form my improvised > stand :) , I but I must sacrify barelly all my talks attend agenda. > But I you if you can sendme /post a link, of your slides and even > better if you have some pic and/or video, I will (and I guess a lot > people here too) be very happy. > > Regards > You can find my sildes at: http://downloads.vdm-design.de/FOSDEM-2010.pdf From helge.hafting at hist.no Wed Feb 10 12:57:02 2010 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:57:02 +0100 Subject: AW: What to do with a broken touchscreen? In-Reply-To: <852433.30184.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <852433.30184.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B729F0E.7020400@hist.no> hab keen oh ne wrote: > Hi, > I had the same problem because I - why ever - kept my key in the same > pocket as my freerunner, so the touch screen took a physical damage, > which can still be noticed by a dint in the upper left of the screen. > Nevertheless, I got rid of the problem by causing an underpressure at > this place with a glue strip. That did the trick! Thanks for the tip - an easy repair when one knows. Helge Hafting From neiljerram at googlemail.com Wed Feb 10 13:12:38 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:12:38 +0000 Subject: AW: What to do with a broken touchscreen? In-Reply-To: <4B729F0E.7020400@hist.no> References: <852433.30184.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4B729F0E.7020400@hist.no> Message-ID: <49dd78621002100412j27712e28kd5cb1aae5c05c149@mail.gmail.com> On 10 February 2010 11:57, Helge Hafting wrote: > hab keen oh ne wrote: >> Hi, >> I had the same problem because I - why ever - kept my key in the same >> pocket as my freerunner, so the touch screen took a physical damage, >> which can still be noticed by a dint in the upper left of the screen. >> Nevertheless, I got rid of the problem by causing an underpressure at >> this place with a glue strip. > > That did the trick! Thanks for the tip - an easy repair when > one knows. Could you explain more, because I think I have this problem too. How do you make a suitable glue strip, and how and where do you apply it? If you think it would help, could you take a photo? Thanks, Neil From joop_boonen at web.de Wed Feb 10 15:29:27 2010 From: joop_boonen at web.de (Joop Boonen) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:29:27 +0100 Subject: RFC: FSOSHRCON 2010 kickoff In-Reply-To: References: <1265678672.3588.57.camel@andromeda> <4B71FC86.1070809@serdar-dere.net> Message-ID: Dear Frederik, I'm wonder who can attend this conference i.e. can I also attend? I'm interested to be at the conference to learn more related to the openmoko. Regards, Joop On Wed, February 10, 2010 11:02 am, Frederik Sdun wrote: > Moin, > > I think Linux Hotel is a good idea, but I hope we'll fit into the room. > > There're three things up in my mind i want to share: > > 1) is it possible to do a phone conference using XMPP? This would be a > nice > feature to connect others, who don't have the time/money to travel to > germany. > 2) Let's start a UI Workshop: Everyone who has an idea gives a lightening > talk (~2-5 mins) to present his/her idea. Then we start discussing (or > even > arguing) what is good and what's bad and how to integrate it into the > system > to get a consistent UI/API for SHR. > 3) What has to be done to make SHR/FSO devs life easier and comfortable? > What frightens people from devoloping new apps/joining team. (I think one > big point is, that it is not really transparent, what is going on/what has > to be done) > > Dates: > > 02-05.04.2010 //imho to early > 14-18.05.2010 // colliding with program @ LinuxHotel > 21-24.05.2010 // nearly perfect, but maybe i want to celebrate my > birthday, > no collision > 04-08.06.2010 // collision > > i try to call them today to ask for the dates. > > here's a picture of last year's attendees > http://buildhost.shr-project.org/fsoshrudcon/TheGuys.jpg > > Regards, Frederik > > P.S.: No there won't be any LPI certificates available > > 2010/2/10 Serdar Dere > >> I were looking for some dates which is possible. >> I was searching for local holidays which are set for monday or friday. >> I found this: >> 15.02.2010 (Mon) Rosenmontag >> 02.04.2010 (Fri) Karfreitag >> 05.04.2010 (Mon) Ostermontag >> 24.05.2010 (Mon) Pfingstmontag >> >> Also for Thirsdays because there are no Tuesday holidays >> 13.05.2010 (Thi) Christi Himmelfahrt >> 03.06.2010 (Thi) Fronleichnam >> >> Rosenmontag is too early (next monday :)) >> >> perfect days are 02-05.04.2010 but maybe too early. >> >> 02-05.04.2010 >> 14-18.05.2010 >> 21-24.05.2010 >> 04-08.06.2010 >> >> These are my suggestions. >> >> Greetings Serdar >> Am 09.02.10 02:24, schrieb Michael 'Mickey' Lauer: >> > Dear guys, >> > >> > I just returned from FOSDEM (*) where we had a mini Openmoko devroom. >> > Seeing all the interested people and experiencing the scent of >> imminent >> > breakthroughs wrt. supporting foreign platforms got me really >> motivated >> > to kick off this year's FSOSHRCON. I consider last year being a good >> > start, but am 100% sure we can do even better this year. >> > >> > Before we go into the detail planning, we have to talk about the rough >> > plans. Here are my proposals, please comment. >> > >> > =Timeframe= >> > >> > I'd like us to meet in summer, i.e. somewhere during the May - August >> > timeframe. We have to try to avoid school holidays and summer >> vacations >> > (especially for those of us who have kids) though. >> > >> > =Duration= >> > >> > I'm afraid it needs to be a weekend, but we should aim to have two >> fully >> > productive days (think about losing at least one day for arrival and >> > setup plus cleaning up and departure), so it'd be best if we could >> > either add a friday or a monday to the bouquet. >> > >> > =Location= >> > >> > This largely depends on the scope of this conference. I found last >> > year's meeting @ LinuxHotel very pleasant and supercheap. The >> > requirements are a big room where we can sit on a round or squared >> table >> > with video and networking equipment. >> > >> > =Program= >> > >> > Last year we had a strong focus on getting to know each other and >> giving >> > presentations. While that's all good, I'd like to attempt something >> more >> > focused this year. I would love to come there with some concrete >> goals, >> > such as: >> > >> > *) Porting SHR to fsogsmd. >> > *) Porting FSO& SHR to the HTC Dream. >> > *) Porting FSO& SHR to the Palm Pre. >> > *) Unbreaking libfso-glib for C users. >> > *) Porting SHR-Settings to Vala. >> > etc. etc. >> > >> > I do think that we can allow for a small amount of presentations, but >> a >> > really limited one. This year we should strive for a more workshop& >> > code sprint oriented spirit. >> > >> > =Sponsoring= >> > >> > Travel costs are always high. We should try to find some sponsors for >> > this event. >> > >> > That's all that comes to my mind now. I'd love to see all of you in a >> > productive environment again, so let's try hard to make this happen. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From deubeuliou at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 17:59:12 2010 From: deubeuliou at gmail.com (David Wagner) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:59:12 +0100 Subject: Fosdem Openmoko DevRoom presentation slides? In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea81002100105i71298ba4u65977ba891197669@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c6ceea81002100105i71298ba4u65977ba891197669@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B72E5E0.5040206@gmail.com> David Reyes Samblas Martinez a ?crit : > Hello, > First accept my apologizes to no be able to go to the DevRoom, In > theory I only preview to put some flyes and stickers in Hackable > devices stand but when I arrive I found I Wim has arranged a full > Tuxbrain table beside them, so I give support to OM form my improvised > stand :) , I but I must sacrify barelly all my talks attend agenda. > But I you if you can sendme /post a link, of your slides and even > better if you have some pic and/or video, I will (and I guess a lot > people here too) be very happy. > > Regards > Hi Mines are here: http://islibre.org/~deubeuliou/openmoko/h1_fosdem2010.pdf bye David From deubeuliou at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 18:12:01 2010 From: deubeuliou at gmail.com (David Wagner) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:12:01 +0100 Subject: RFC: FSOSHRCON 2010 kickoff In-Reply-To: <4B71D486.7080401@serdar-dere.net> References: <1265678672.3588.57.camel@andromeda> <4B71D486.7080401@serdar-dere.net> Message-ID: <4B72E8E1.303@gmail.com> Serdar Dere a ?crit : > Am 09.02.10 02:24, schrieb Michael 'Mickey' Lauer: >> Dear guys, >> >> I just returned from FOSDEM (*) where we had a mini Openmoko devroom. >> Seeing all the interested people and experiencing the scent of imminent >> breakthroughs wrt. supporting foreign platforms got me really motivated >> to kick off this year's FSOSHRCON. I consider last year being a good >> start, but am 100% sure we can do even better this year. >> >> Before we go into the detail planning, we have to talk about the rough >> plans. Here are my proposals, please comment. Hi I will gladly attend this year's edition again ! >> >> =Timeframe= >> >> I'd like us to meet in summer, i.e. somewhere during the May - August >> timeframe. We have to try to avoid school holidays and summer vacations >> (especially for those of us who have kids) though. >> >> =Duration= >> >> I'm afraid it needs to be a weekend, but we should aim to have two fully >> productive days (think about losing at least one day for arrival and >> setup plus cleaning up and departure), so it'd be best if we could >> either add a friday or a monday to the bouquet. >> I agree with that ; the holidays are not a problem for me, as I'm still a student. (Plus, I'm planning on spending the August holidays in germany) >> =Location= >> >> This largely depends on the scope of this conference. I found last >> year's meeting @ LinuxHotel very pleasant and supercheap. The >> requirements are a big room where we can sit on a round or squared table >> with video and networking equipment. The room we had was just large enough last year and I believe we may expect more people this year... >> >> =Program= >> >> Last year we had a strong focus on getting to know each other and giving >> presentations. While that's all good, I'd like to attempt something more >> focused this year. I would love to come there with some concrete goals, >> such as: >> >> *) Porting SHR to fsogsmd. >> *) Porting FSO& SHR to the HTC Dream. >> *) Porting FSO& SHR to the Palm Pre. >> *) Unbreaking libfso-glib for C users. >> *) Porting SHR-Settings to Vala. >> etc. etc. If it's not done yet at the time of the f9n (well, rather f7n it seems), and if some people are interested, that would be also great to add "porting h:1 to FSO". +1 for unbreaking libfso-glib, btw. >> >> I do think that we can allow for a small amount of presentations, but a >> really limited one. This year we should strive for a more workshop& >> code sprint oriented spirit. >> >> =Sponsoring= >> >> Travel costs are always high. We should try to find some sponsors for >> this event. >> >> That's all that comes to my mind now. I'd love to see all of you in a >> productive environment again, so let's try hard to make this happen. >> > What's with LPI like the guys on FOSDEM, and LPI certification exams? > I would love it and be there. >> Cheers, >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From maxposedon at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 19:08:25 2010 From: maxposedon at gmail.com (Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:08:25 +0200 Subject: Fosdem Openmoko DevRoom presentation slides? In-Reply-To: <4B72E5E0.5040206@gmail.com> References: <5c6ceea81002100105i71298ba4u65977ba891197669@mail.gmail.com> <4B72E5E0.5040206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <792ba59f1002101008v463947e9y34e3131cb0c9ca31@mail.gmail.com> On 2/10/10, David Wagner wrote: > Mines are here: > http://islibre.org/~deubeuliou/openmoko/h1_fosdem2010.pdf Its just beamer tex file, enough for most people, but its not pdf for sure. From Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl Wed Feb 10 19:10:13 2010 From: Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl (Patryk Benderz) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:10:13 +0100 Subject: [Community Updates] released Message-ID: <1265825413.4302.246.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> Hello everybody, Recent Community Update is out. Take a look at "News" link in "Community" box on wiki pages to read it. For your convenience here is direct link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2010-02-10 and contribute to the new draft at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2010-03-01 Thanks to all contributors of this issue of CU: * Nhv * Jonci * /me is immodest ;) -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point From deubeuliou at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 19:15:58 2010 From: deubeuliou at gmail.com (David Wagner) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:15:58 +0100 Subject: Fosdem Openmoko DevRoom presentation slides? In-Reply-To: <792ba59f1002101008v463947e9y34e3131cb0c9ca31@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c6ceea81002100105i71298ba4u65977ba891197669@mail.gmail.com> <4B72E5E0.5040206@gmail.com> <792ba59f1002101008v463947e9y34e3131cb0c9ca31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B72F7DE.8090305@gmail.com> Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau a ?crit : > On 2/10/10, David Wagner wrote: >> Mines are here: >> http://islibre.org/~deubeuliou/openmoko/h1_fosdem2010.pdf > Its just beamer tex file, enough for most people, but its not pdf for sure. ow ... right. Now it's a pdf. (you may have to clean your browser's history if you download them with it). Thanks for noticing David From omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org Wed Feb 10 20:58:38 2010 From: omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org (omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:58:38 +0100 Subject: RFC: FSOSHRCON 2010 kickoff In-Reply-To: <1265678672.3588.57.camel@andromeda> References: <1265678672.3588.57.camel@andromeda> Message-ID: <20100210205838.70495d0f.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:24:32 +0100 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > Dear guys, > > I just returned from FOSDEM (*) where we had a mini Openmoko devroom. > Seeing all the interested people and experiencing the scent of imminent > breakthroughs wrt. supporting foreign platforms got me really motivated > to kick off this year's FSOSHRCON. I consider last year being a good > start, but am 100% sure we can do even better this year. > > Before we go into the detail planning, we have to talk about the rough > plans. Here are my proposals, please comment. > > =Timeframe= > > I'd like us to meet in summer, i.e. somewhere during the May - August > timeframe. We have to try to avoid school holidays and summer vacations > (especially for those of us who have kids) though. > > =Duration= > > I'm afraid it needs to be a weekend, but we should aim to have two fully > productive days (think about losing at least one day for arrival and > setup plus cleaning up and departure), so it'd be best if we could > either add a friday or a monday to the bouquet. > > =Location= > > This largely depends on the scope of this conference. I found last > year's meeting @ LinuxHotel very pleasant and supercheap. The > requirements are a big room where we can sit on a round or squared table > with video and networking equipment. > > =Program= > > Last year we had a strong focus on getting to know each other and giving > presentations. While that's all good, I'd like to attempt something more > focused this year. I would love to come there with some concrete goals, > such as: > > *) Porting SHR to fsogsmd. > *) Porting FSO & SHR to the HTC Dream. > *) Porting FSO & SHR to the Palm Pre. > *) Unbreaking libfso-glib for C users. > *) Porting SHR-Settings to Vala. > etc. etc. > > I do think that we can allow for a small amount of presentations, but a > really limited one. This year we should strive for a more workshop & > code sprint oriented spirit. > > =Sponsoring= > > Travel costs are always high. We should try to find some sponsors for > this event. > > That's all that comes to my mind now. I'd love to see all of you in a > productive environment again, so let's try hard to make this happen. > > Cheers, > > -- > :M: > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I would be happy to take part in it. Because I haven't been very active in the community in the past (limited time: still studying), I feel the need to redeem myself and contribute something useful to SHR. I don't have much experience with working on "real" projects yet, but I do have some experience with coding in general - I hope there will be a place for people like me on the conference! Cheers, rhn From jackramone at googlemail.com Wed Feb 10 21:25:56 2010 From: jackramone at googlemail.com (Jakob) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:25:56 +0100 Subject: [Community Updates] released In-Reply-To: <1265825413.4302.246.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> References: <1265825413.4302.246.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> Message-ID: <85aed13c1002101225p56b9ed20y3c35346b7dcf51fe@mail.gmail.com> On 2/10/10, Patryk Benderz wrote: > Hello everybody, > Recent Community Update is out. Take a look at "News" link in > "Community" box on wiki pages to read it. > > For your convenience here is direct link: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2010-02-10 > > and contribute to the new draft at: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2010-03-01 > > Thanks to all contributors of this issue of CU: > * Nhv > * Jonci > * /me is immodest ;) > > -- > Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz > Linux Registered User #377521 > () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail > /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments > > > Email secured by Check Point > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > thank you for your work :) From GNUtoo at no-log.org Wed Feb 10 21:26:43 2010 From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (GNUtoo) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:26:43 +0100 Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR In-Reply-To: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus> References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus> Message-ID: <1265833603.14120.17.camel@gnutoo-desktop> On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 01:12 +0000, William Kenworthy wrote: > What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? I > want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ... None yet,palm pre comming very soon...(huge progress have been made with the modem.) > > The android phones (htc dream?) - none of which are fully functional on > FSO/SHR (I think), and access through android to the underlying system > is minimal. Kernel work has not been finished yet,we are working on it: Status here: http://www.htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Dream#Status But in another hand you can already use the modem. > Flow - good but pricy, and unless I am looking at the design wrong, > there is only one adapter/interface socket so you can have a phone, or a > GSM device, but not both at the same time. > > Nokia n900 - probably the best choice at this time. The N900 is very proprietary: http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo The thing in red in the image are proprietary,including some core things like battery charging. Denis. From risto at kurppa.fi Wed Feb 10 22:04:37 2010 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:04:37 +0200 Subject: [Community Updates] released In-Reply-To: <85aed13c1002101225p56b9ed20y3c35346b7dcf51fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <1265825413.4302.246.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <85aed13c1002101225p56b9ed20y3c35346b7dcf51fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you!! r On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Jakob wrote: > On 2/10/10, Patryk Benderz wrote: >> Hello everybody, >> Recent Community Update is out. Take a look at "News" link in >> "Community" box on wiki pages to read it. >> >> For your convenience here is direct link: >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2010-02-10 >> >> and contribute to the new draft at: >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2010-03-01 >> >> Thanks to all contributors of this issue of CU: >> * Nhv >> * Jonci >> * /me is immodest ;) >> >> -- >> Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz >> Linux Registered User #377521 >> () ?ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail >> /\ ?www.asciiribbon.org ? - against proprietary attachments >> >> >> Email secured by Check Point >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > thank you for your work :) > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From rms at 1407.org Wed Feb 10 22:29:09 2010 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:29:09 +0000 Subject: [Community Updates] released In-Reply-To: <1265825413.4302.246.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> References: <1265825413.4302.246.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> Message-ID: <4B732525.2010205@1407.org> Em 10-02-2010 18:10, Patryk Benderz escreveu: > Hello everybody, > Recent Community Update is out. Take a look at "News" link in > "Community" box on wiki pages to read it. > > For your convenience here is direct link: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2010-02-10 > > and contribute to the new draft at: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2010-03-01 > > Thanks to all contributors of this issue of CU: > * Nhv > * Jonci > * /me is immodest ;) Great job, guys! Rui From nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com Wed Feb 10 23:04:23 2010 From: nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com (Niels Heyvaert) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:04:23 +0000 Subject: Fosdem Openmoko DevRoom presentation slides? In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea81002100105i71298ba4u65977ba891197669@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c6ceea81002100105i71298ba4u65977ba891197669@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi David, The presentation of the Android on Freerunner project can be found on: http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/ in the Featured download section at the right. Kind regards, Niels. -- Microsoft gives you windows, Linux gives you the whole house. ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:05:42 +0100 > From: david at tuxbrain.com > To: community at lists.openmoko.org > Subject: Fosdem Openmoko DevRoom presentation slides? > > Hello, > First accept my apologizes to no be able to go to the DevRoom, In > theory I only preview to put some flyes and stickers in Hackable > devices stand but when I arrive I found I Wim has arranged a full > Tuxbrain table beside them, so I give support to OM form my improvised > stand :) , I but I must sacrify barelly all my talks attend agenda. > But I you if you can sendme /post a link, of your slides and even > better if you have some pic and/or video, I will (and I guess a lot > people here too) be very happy. > > Regards > > -- > David Reyes Samblas Martinez > http://www.tuxbrain.com > Open ultraportable & embedded solutions > Ben NanoNote, Arduino, Openmoko > Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: kijk live tv, rechtstreeks vanaf je laptop. Meer informatie. http://windows.microsoft.com/windows-7 From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Wed Feb 10 23:11:05 2010 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:11:05 +0000 Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR In-Reply-To: <1265833603.14120.17.camel@gnutoo-desktop> References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus> <1265833603.14120.17.camel@gnutoo-desktop> Message-ID: <201002102211.05308.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Wednesday 10 February 2010, GNUtoo wrote: > On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 01:12 +0000, William Kenworthy wrote: > > What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? I > > want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ... > > None yet,palm pre comming very soon...(huge progress have been made with > the modem.) > > > The android phones (htc dream?) - none of which are fully functional on > > FSO/SHR (I think), and access through android to the underlying system > > is minimal. > > Kernel work has not been finished yet,we are working on it: > Status here: > http://www.htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Dream#Status > But in another hand you can already use the modem. > > > Flow - good but pricy, and unless I am looking at the design wrong, > > there is only one adapter/interface socket so you can have a phone, or a > > GSM device, but not both at the same time. > > > > Nokia n900 - probably the best choice at this time. > > The N900 is very proprietary: > http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo > The thing in red in the image are proprietary,including some core things > like battery charging. Except that if you read the page a number of the things in red are actually open, and many are things that don't matter if you're going to put something other than maemo on it. Overall it doesn't look any worse to me than the Dream or Pre, except that they've had more time for reverse engineering their proprietary bits. From tomabroad at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 23:34:59 2010 From: tomabroad at gmail.com (tom) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:34:59 -0500 Subject: help:sipdroid & android on freerunner Message-ID: <6f7c60c41002101434k6371a580hda6b2a4d35984a08@mail.gmail.com> hi, just installed cupcake week4 jan, tryign to setup sipdroid, but cant get into the sipdroid settings. wifi works. using no sim card. what am i supposed to do? thx From david at tuxbrain.com Wed Feb 10 23:37:00 2010 From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:37:00 +0100 Subject: Fosdem Openmoko DevRoom presentation slides? In-Reply-To: References: <5c6ceea81002100105i71298ba4u65977ba891197669@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5c6ceea81002101437r1a4dd99ax48ed8ce8a5444631@mail.gmail.com> Thaks a lot :), Seing presentations I make me feel worst to no be able to attend , but at least now I have an more clear idea on the dev status and roads on the different proyects. again thank you :) 2010/2/10 Niels Heyvaert : > > Hi David, > > The presentation of the Android on Freerunner project can be found on: > > http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/ in the Featured download section at the right. > > Kind regards, > > Niels. > > -- > Microsoft gives you windows, Linux gives you the whole house. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- >> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:05:42 +0100 >> From: david at tuxbrain.com >> To: community at lists.openmoko.org >> Subject: Fosdem Openmoko DevRoom presentation slides? >> >> Hello, >> First accept my apologizes to no be able to go to the DevRoom, In >> theory I only preview to put some flyes and stickers in Hackable >> devices stand but when I arrive I found I Wim has arranged a full >> Tuxbrain table beside them, so I give support to OM form my improvised >> stand :) , I but I must sacrify barelly all my talks attend agenda. >> But I you if you can sendme /post a link, of your slides and even >> better if you have some pic and/or video, I will (and I guess a lot >> people here too) be very happy. >> >> Regards >> >> -- >> David Reyes Samblas Martinez >> http://www.tuxbrain.com >> Open ultraportable & embedded solutions >> Ben NanoNote, Arduino, Openmoko >> Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows 7: kijk live tv, rechtstreeks vanaf je laptop. Meer informatie. > http://windows.microsoft.com/windows-7 > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Ben NanoNote, Arduino, Openmoko Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! From david at tuxbrain.com Wed Feb 10 23:43:02 2010 From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:43:02 +0100 Subject: Fotos and Pics of Tuxbrain at FOSDEM Message-ID: <5c6ceea81002101443t2ac6fab6r74ab503d89675a4b@mail.gmail.com> I know is not very OM centric but at least it has some close ups on a 1024 fix from the Openmoko-fr guy :) http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/fosdem2010-desde-dentro-en-un-rinc%C3%B3n -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Ben NanoNote, Arduino, Openmoko Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! From nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com Thu Feb 11 00:05:57 2010 From: nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com (Niels Heyvaert) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:05:57 +0000 Subject: help:sipdroid & android on freerunner In-Reply-To: <6f7c60c41002101434k6371a580hda6b2a4d35984a08@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f7c60c41002101434k6371a580hda6b2a4d35984a08@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > To: android-freerunner at android.koolu.org; community at lists.openmoko.org > Subject: help:sipdroid & android on freerunner > > hi, just installed cupcake week4 jan, tryign to setup sipdroid, but > cant get into the sipdroid settings. > wifi works. using no sim card. > what am i supposed to do? > thx I can see you're still mailing to koolu address. FYI: Koolu is long gone, dead. Instead, try posting your question on the AoF mailing list http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner Niels. _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: helpt je meer voor elkaar te krijgen. Ontdek Windows 7. http://windows.microsoft.com/windows-7 From frederik.sdun at googlemail.com Thu Feb 11 02:15:22 2010 From: frederik.sdun at googlemail.com (Frederik Sdun) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:15:22 +0100 Subject: RFC: FSOSHRCON 2010 kickoff In-Reply-To: References: <1265678672.3588.57.camel@andromeda> <4B71FC86.1070809@serdar-dere.net> Message-ID: yes of course. The U in FSOSHRUDCON stands for user and it's public conference, but hotelrooms might be limited. If you there're no beds left or someone doesn't have the money, the hotel allows to overbook rooms and even allows camping in the garden. You only have to pay for the drinks and food (flatrate for about 5? a day). The streams/phone conference is only for the people without an excuse ;) Regards, Frederik 2010/2/10 Joop Boonen > Dear Frederik, > > I'm wonder who can attend this conference i.e. can I also attend? I'm > interested to be at the conference to learn more related to the openmoko. > > Regards, > > Joop > > On Wed, February 10, 2010 11:02 am, Frederik Sdun wrote: > > Moin, > > > > I think Linux Hotel is a good idea, but I hope we'll fit into the room. > > > > There're three things up in my mind i want to share: > > > > 1) is it possible to do a phone conference using XMPP? This would be a > > nice > > feature to connect others, who don't have the time/money to travel to > > germany. > > 2) Let's start a UI Workshop: Everyone who has an idea gives a lightening > > talk (~2-5 mins) to present his/her idea. Then we start discussing (or > > even > > arguing) what is good and what's bad and how to integrate it into the > > system > > to get a consistent UI/API for SHR. > > 3) What has to be done to make SHR/FSO devs life easier and comfortable? > > What frightens people from devoloping new apps/joining team. (I think one > > big point is, that it is not really transparent, what is going on/what > has > > to be done) > > > > Dates: > > > > 02-05.04.2010 //imho to early > > 14-18.05.2010 // colliding with program @ LinuxHotel > > 21-24.05.2010 // nearly perfect, but maybe i want to celebrate my > > birthday, > > no collision > > 04-08.06.2010 // collision > > > > i try to call them today to ask for the dates. > > > > here's a picture of last year's attendees > > http://buildhost.shr-project.org/fsoshrudcon/TheGuys.jpg > > > > Regards, Frederik > > > > P.S.: No there won't be any LPI certificates available > > > > 2010/2/10 Serdar Dere > > > >> I were looking for some dates which is possible. > >> I was searching for local holidays which are set for monday or friday. > >> I found this: > >> 15.02.2010 (Mon) Rosenmontag > >> 02.04.2010 (Fri) Karfreitag > >> 05.04.2010 (Mon) Ostermontag > >> 24.05.2010 (Mon) Pfingstmontag > >> > >> Also for Thirsdays because there are no Tuesday holidays > >> 13.05.2010 (Thi) Christi Himmelfahrt > >> 03.06.2010 (Thi) Fronleichnam > >> > >> Rosenmontag is too early (next monday :)) > >> > >> perfect days are 02-05.04.2010 but maybe too early. > >> > >> 02-05.04.2010 > >> 14-18.05.2010 > >> 21-24.05.2010 > >> 04-08.06.2010 > >> > >> These are my suggestions. > >> > >> Greetings Serdar > >> Am 09.02.10 02:24, schrieb Michael 'Mickey' Lauer: > >> > Dear guys, > >> > > >> > I just returned from FOSDEM (*) where we had a mini Openmoko devroom. > >> > Seeing all the interested people and experiencing the scent of > >> imminent > >> > breakthroughs wrt. supporting foreign platforms got me really > >> motivated > >> > to kick off this year's FSOSHRCON. I consider last year being a good > >> > start, but am 100% sure we can do even better this year. > >> > > >> > Before we go into the detail planning, we have to talk about the rough > >> > plans. Here are my proposals, please comment. > >> > > >> > =Timeframe= > >> > > >> > I'd like us to meet in summer, i.e. somewhere during the May - August > >> > timeframe. We have to try to avoid school holidays and summer > >> vacations > >> > (especially for those of us who have kids) though. > >> > > >> > =Duration= > >> > > >> > I'm afraid it needs to be a weekend, but we should aim to have two > >> fully > >> > productive days (think about losing at least one day for arrival and > >> > setup plus cleaning up and departure), so it'd be best if we could > >> > either add a friday or a monday to the bouquet. > >> > > >> > =Location= > >> > > >> > This largely depends on the scope of this conference. I found last > >> > year's meeting @ LinuxHotel very pleasant and supercheap. The > >> > requirements are a big room where we can sit on a round or squared > >> table > >> > with video and networking equipment. > >> > > >> > =Program= > >> > > >> > Last year we had a strong focus on getting to know each other and > >> giving > >> > presentations. While that's all good, I'd like to attempt something > >> more > >> > focused this year. I would love to come there with some concrete > >> goals, > >> > such as: > >> > > >> > *) Porting SHR to fsogsmd. > >> > *) Porting FSO& SHR to the HTC Dream. > >> > *) Porting FSO& SHR to the Palm Pre. > >> > *) Unbreaking libfso-glib for C users. > >> > *) Porting SHR-Settings to Vala. > >> > etc. etc. > >> > > >> > I do think that we can allow for a small amount of presentations, but > >> a > >> > really limited one. This year we should strive for a more workshop& > >> > code sprint oriented spirit. > >> > > >> > =Sponsoring= > >> > > >> > Travel costs are always high. We should try to find some sponsors for > >> > this event. > >> > > >> > That's all that comes to my mind now. I'd love to see all of you in a > >> > productive environment again, so let's try hard to make this happen. > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Openmoko community mailing list > >> community at lists.openmoko.org > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100211/c8652339/attachment.htm From rozzin at geekspace.com Thu Feb 11 05:01:31 2010 From: rozzin at geekspace.com (Joshua Judson Rosen) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:01:31 -0500 Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus> <1265833603.14120.17.camel@gnutoo-desktop> Message-ID: <87sk98o1yc.fsf@slice.rozzin.com> GNUtoo writes: > On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 01:12 +0000, William Kenworthy wrote: > > > > Flow - good but pricy, and unless I am looking at the design wrong, > > there is only one adapter/interface socket so you can have a phone, or a > > GSM device, but not both at the same time. > > > > Nokia n900 - probably the best choice at this time. > > The N900 is very proprietary: > http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo > The thing in red in the image are proprietary,including some core things > like battery charging. For those of us who can't see red (and thus can't differentiate between red and black), would someone be willing to list which items are `in red' and which are `in black'? I'm often able to make due by checking colours with xmag, but this chart is much too big and complicated for that to be workable :( -- "Don't be afraid to ask (?f.((?x.xx) (?r.f(rr))))." From maxious at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 06:07:05 2010 From: maxious at gmail.com (Alex (Maxious) Sadleir) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:07:05 +1100 Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR In-Reply-To: <87sk98o1yc.fsf@slice.rozzin.com> References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus> <1265833603.14120.17.camel@gnutoo-desktop> <87sk98o1yc.fsf@slice.rozzin.com> Message-ID: <1e5d79991002102107p728b9ec2q22c38cf5f28060aa@mail.gmail.com> On 2/11/10, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: > GNUtoo writes: > > On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 01:12 +0000, William Kenworthy wrote: > > > > > > Flow - good but pricy, and unless I am looking at the design wrong, > > > there is only one adapter/interface socket so you can have a phone, or a > > > GSM device, but not both at the same time. > > > > > > Nokia n900 - probably the best choice at this time. > > > > The N900 is very proprietary: > > http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo > > The thing in red in the image are proprietary,including some core things > > like battery charging. > > For those of us who can't see red (and thus can't differentiate > between red and black), would someone be willing to list which items > are `in red' and which are `in black'? Proprietary: -Application Interfaces Sharing plugins libsharing calendar-backend libtime libcityinfo -UI Framework Startup Wizard Restore factory settings & Clear User data framework -Location Framework (all proprietary) gypsy daemon liblocation location daemon -Nokia Graphics (all proprietary) Sounds Icons -Data Management Backup Address Book -RTCom Mission Control rtcom-eventlogger libaccounts SSO -Toolkit Fonts Themes - Connectivity framework Funambol SyncML xml2wbxml ICD2 - Multmedia [sic] Framework -- Policy PulseAudio PEP libplayback -- Audio EAP AEP FMTX middleware - Cellular (all proprietary) Modem Services Cellular Modem Software - Core softupd sysinfod CertMan OpenGL ES 2.0 Nolo bootloader Flasher - System Software DSME BME MCE Clockd IPHBD System UI Profiled From billk at iinet.net.au Thu Feb 11 06:23:50 2010 From: billk at iinet.net.au (Bill Kenworthy) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:23:50 +0800 Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR In-Reply-To: <87sk98o1yc.fsf@slice.rozzin.com> References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus> <1265833603.14120.17.camel@gnutoo-desktop> <87sk98o1yc.fsf@slice.rozzin.com> Message-ID: <1265865830.2096.13.camel@troll> On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 23:01 -0500, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: > GNUtoo writes: > > On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 01:12 +0000, William Kenworthy wrote: > > > > > > Flow - good but pricy, and unless I am looking at the design wrong, > > > there is only one adapter/interface socket so you can have a phone, or a > > > GSM device, but not both at the same time. > > > > > > Nokia n900 - probably the best choice at this time. > > > > The N900 is very proprietary: > > http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo > > The thing in red in the image are proprietary,including some core things > > like battery charging. > > For those of us who can't see red (and thus can't differentiate > between red and black), would someone be willing to list which items > are `in red' and which are `in black'? > > I'm often able to make due by checking colours with xmag, but this > chart is much too big and complicated for that to be workable :( > Hi Joshua, download the image and open in gimp - use the "colours/colour balance" tool to change the image until you can see the difference. I could prepare one for you, but I dont know which colours would work for you. To help, "sounds" and "icons" in the nokia graphics box are red. Billk From openmoko at netapps.com.au Thu Feb 11 07:57:22 2010 From: openmoko at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:57:22 +1100 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <20100208181115.8be1ba4d.raster@rasterman.com> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <20100207052928.6fe7ad67.raster@rasterman.com> <1265619231.5809.7.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <20100208181115.8be1ba4d.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <20100211175722.cac0fd61.openmoko@netapps.com.au> On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 18:11:15 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > my lips are sealed until something is public... (you know the drill! nda's and > all!) :) This? http://recombu.com/news/samsung-s5620-monte-the-phone-from-del-monte_M11404.html -- Michael Smith +61 416 062 898 http://glitch.tl From andrew.stephen at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 08:19:07 2010 From: andrew.stephen at gmail.com (Andrew Stephen) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:19:07 +1300 Subject: [SHR-U] 10 button problem fixed! Message-ID: <2e51a0351002102319v533f5254t648d2d9961e276c9@mail.gmail.com> I have just upgraded SHR-U and find the 10 small buttons at the bottom of the screen have changed back into three large buttons! Thanks to whoever committed that fix! -- Andrew Stephen http://www.evil.geek.nz/ It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious. - Oscar Wilde From martin.jansa at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 08:45:02 2010 From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:45:02 +0100 Subject: Fosdem Openmoko DevRoom presentation slides? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100211074502.GD3378@jama> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 08:37:00AM +0200, Christoph Pulster wrote: > David, excellent pics & videos from FOSDEM - big thanks from a social > handicaped person letting me participate this way. > > what gadget is this ? > http://www.tuxbrain.org/FOSDEM2010/photos/view/p2050436.jpg http://www.buglabs.net/ -- uin:136542059 jid:Martin.Jansa at gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jamasip at voip.wengo.fr JaMa From www.rzr.online.fr at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 09:13:43 2010 From: www.rzr.online.fr at gmail.com (RzR www.rzr.online.fr) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:13:43 +0100 Subject: upcoming linux phones ... Message-ID: <78a9ab5d1002110013w35b6d043oe7a5d9a9a1577723@mail.gmail.com> Hi, If it helps samsung announced bada few mounth ago http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada_%28operating_system%29 but the SDK is not yet public to everyone ...too bad I wish I can test this and review it , did you test it ? can you speak about it ? regards -- Related Obsession : http://rzr.online.fr/q/samsung From rms at 1407.org Thu Feb 11 09:36:55 2010 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:36:55 +0000 Subject: upcoming linux phones ... In-Reply-To: <78a9ab5d1002110013w35b6d043oe7a5d9a9a1577723@mail.gmail.com> References: <78a9ab5d1002110013w35b6d043oe7a5d9a9a1577723@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B73C1A7.10101@1407.org> Em 11-02-2010 08:13, RzR www.rzr.online.fr escreveu: > Hi, If it helps > samsung announced bada few mounth ago > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada_%28operating_system%29 > > but the SDK is not yet public to everyone ...too bad > I wish I can test this and review it , did you test it ? can you speak > about it ? I heard it is not GNU/Linux at all but some proprietary real time OS from Samsung. Also, that's not what Raster is working on. No one knows what it is but only that he says it's very cool and not out. Rui From raster at rasterman.com Thu Feb 11 09:51:09 2010 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:51:09 +1100 Subject: upcoming linux phones ... In-Reply-To: <78a9ab5d1002110013w35b6d043oe7a5d9a9a1577723@mail.gmail.com> References: <78a9ab5d1002110013w35b6d043oe7a5d9a9a1577723@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100211195109.e653ff50.raster@rasterman.com> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:13:43 +0100 "RzR www.rzr.online.fr" said: > Hi, If it helps > samsung announced bada few mounth ago > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada_%28operating_system%29 > > but the SDK is not yet public to everyone ...too bad > I wish I can test this and review it , did you test it ? can you speak > about it ? bada != linux at all. dont bother following it. looks for limo instead. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From thomas.hocedez at free.fr Thu Feb 11 10:05:47 2010 From: thomas.hocedez at free.fr (Thomas HOCEDEZ) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:05:47 +0100 Subject: Fotos and Pics of Tuxbrain at FOSDEM In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea81002101443t2ac6fab6r74ab503d89675a4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c6ceea81002101443t2ac6fab6r74ab503d89675a4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B73C86B.40204@free.fr> Le 10/02/2010 23:43, David Reyes Samblas Martinez a ?crit : > I know is not very OM centric but at least it has some close ups on a > 1024 fix from the Openmoko-fr guy :) > http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/fosdem2010-desde-dentro-en-un-rinc%C3%B3n > > Nice pics, muchas gracias ! Me gustara a adjuntar subtitulos en la video. pero me necesitara un poquito de tiempo libre .... The fix video might be usefull to show other fixers how to do. And happy you spent a good time in the frozen part of Europe ;-) Hasta pronto ! -- Thomas HOCEDEZ From Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl Thu Feb 11 10:38:05 2010 From: Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl (Patryk Benderz) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:38:05 +0100 Subject: upcoming linux phones ... In-Reply-To: <20100211195109.e653ff50.raster@rasterman.com> References: <78a9ab5d1002110013w35b6d043oe7a5d9a9a1577723@mail.gmail.com> <20100211195109.e653ff50.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <1265881085.4302.1204.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> Dnia 2010-02-11, czw o godzinie 19:51 +1100, Carsten Haitzler pisze: > On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:13:43 +0100 "RzR www.rzr.online.fr" > said: > > > Hi, If it helps > > samsung announced bada few mounth ago > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada_%28operating_system%29 > > > > but the SDK is not yet public to everyone ...too bad > > I wish I can test this and review it , did you test it ? can you > speak > > about it ? > > bada != linux at all. dont bother following it. looks for limo > instead. well, is wiki mentioned above wrong? First sentence says: "bada (pronounced /?b??d??/) is a Linux-based mobile operating system" -- Patryk Benderz IT Specialist Linux Registered User #377521 +48 22 538 6292 ERSTE Securities Polska S.A. ul. Kr?lewska 16 Warszawa 00-103 KRS 0000065121 NIP 526-10-27-638 REGON 011136053 Kapita? akcyjny: 15.500.000 z?otych (w pe?ni op?acony) This message and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the addressee(s). Any publication, transmission or other use of the information by a person or entity other than the intended addressee is prohibited. If you receive this in error please contact the sender and delete the material. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions as a result of the transmission. Email secured by Check Point From Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl Thu Feb 11 10:38:49 2010 From: Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl (Patryk Benderz) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:38:49 +0100 Subject: upcoming linux phones ... In-Reply-To: <4B73C1A7.10101@1407.org> References: <78a9ab5d1002110013w35b6d043oe7a5d9a9a1577723@mail.gmail.com> <4B73C1A7.10101@1407.org> Message-ID: <1265881129.4302.1206.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> [cut] > Also, that's not what Raster is working on. No one knows what it is but > only that he says it's very cool and not out. IIRC he works on enlightment? -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point From raster at rasterman.com Thu Feb 11 10:46:33 2010 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:46:33 +1100 Subject: upcoming linux phones ... In-Reply-To: <1265881085.4302.1204.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> References: <78a9ab5d1002110013w35b6d043oe7a5d9a9a1577723@mail.gmail.com> <20100211195109.e653ff50.raster@rasterman.com> <1265881085.4302.1204.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> Message-ID: <20100211204633.981933ba.raster@rasterman.com> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:38:05 +0100 Patryk Benderz said: > Dnia 2010-02-11, czw o godzinie 19:51 +1100, Carsten Haitzler pisze: > > On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:13:43 +0100 "RzR www.rzr.online.fr" > > said: > > > > > Hi, If it helps > > > samsung announced bada few mounth ago > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada_%28operating_system%29 > > > > > > but the SDK is not yet public to everyone ...too bad > > > I wish I can test this and review it , did you test it ? can you > > speak > > > about it ? > > > > bada != linux at all. dont bother following it. looks for limo > > instead. > well, is wiki mentioned above wrong? First sentence says: "bada > (pronounced /?b??d??/) is a Linux-based mobile operating system" it is based on speculation and rumor. no fact at all. nowhere have samsung EVER said bada is linux based. it actually is not. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From jluis at escomposlinux.org Thu Feb 11 10:56:23 2010 From: jluis at escomposlinux.org (Jose Luis Perez Diez) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:56:23 +0100 Subject: Fosdem Openmoko DevRoom presentation slides? In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea81002101437r1a4dd99ax48ed8ce8a5444631@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c6ceea81002100105i71298ba4u65977ba891197669@mail.gmail.com> <5c6ceea81002101437r1a4dd99ax48ed8ce8a5444631@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <201002111056.23766.jluis@escomposlinux.org> A Dimecres, 10 de de febrer de 2010 23:37:00, David Reyes Samblas Martinez va escriure: > Thaks a lot :), > > Seing presentations I make me feel worst to no be able to attend , but > at least now I have an more clear idea on the dev status and roads on > the different proyects. > You had to man the stand and to take care of the freeruners, nanonotes netwinders, and arduinios on it >:) From openmoko at netapps.com.au Thu Feb 11 10:59:12 2010 From: openmoko at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:59:12 +1100 Subject: upcoming linux phones ... In-Reply-To: <20100211204633.981933ba.raster@rasterman.com> References: <78a9ab5d1002110013w35b6d043oe7a5d9a9a1577723@mail.gmail.com> <20100211195109.e653ff50.raster@rasterman.com> <1265881085.4302.1204.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <20100211204633.981933ba.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <20100211205912.3b597e92.openmoko@netapps.com.au> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:46:33 +1100 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > it is based on speculation and rumor. no fact at all. nowhere have samsung EVER > said bada is linux based. it actually is not. Is it derived from another unix like OS? -- Michael Smith +61 416 062 898 http://glitch.tl From bernd.pruenster at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 11:14:17 2010 From: bernd.pruenster at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bernd_Pr=FCnster?=) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:14:17 +0100 Subject: upcoming linux phones ... In-Reply-To: <20100211205912.3b597e92.openmoko@netapps.com.au> References: <78a9ab5d1002110013w35b6d043oe7a5d9a9a1577723@mail.gmail.com> <20100211195109.e653ff50.raster@rasterman.com> <1265881085.4302.1204.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <20100211204633.981933ba.raster@rasterman.com> <20100211205912.3b597e92.openmoko@netapps.com.au> Message-ID: <4B73D879.4070701@gmail.com> Michael Smith wrote: > On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:46:33 +1100 > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > >> it is based on speculation and rumor. no fact at all. nowhere have samsung EVER >> said bada is linux based. it actually is not. >> > > Is it derived from another unix like OS? > isn't it technically enough to use the linux kernel and call it "linux based" even if all the other stuff is proprietary?! From raster at rasterman.com Thu Feb 11 11:23:04 2010 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:23:04 +1100 Subject: upcoming linux phones ... In-Reply-To: <20100211205912.3b597e92.openmoko@netapps.com.au> References: <78a9ab5d1002110013w35b6d043oe7a5d9a9a1577723@mail.gmail.com> <20100211195109.e653ff50.raster@rasterman.com> <1265881085.4302.1204.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <20100211204633.981933ba.raster@rasterman.com> <20100211205912.3b597e92.openmoko@netapps.com.au> Message-ID: <20100211212304.9f780cc6.raster@rasterman.com> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:59:12 +1100 Michael Smith said: > On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:46:33 +1100 > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > > it is based on speculation and rumor. no fact at all. nowhere have samsung > > EVER said bada is linux based. it actually is not. > > Is it derived from another unix like OS? no. bada is a middleware layer. it is only built on top of a minimal rtos - the kind used in featurephones. it is not based on linux - even the kernel, nor related to linux. its has a tiny rtos. if u love rtos stuff it may be of interest to you. but for those of us who like linux because it brings the wealth of posix, x11, dbus, blah blah blah ... and all the other linuxy bits, software, infrastructure, support etc. then its pretty uninteresting. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From openmoko at netapps.com.au Thu Feb 11 11:23:31 2010 From: openmoko at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:23:31 +1100 Subject: upcoming linux phones ... In-Reply-To: <4B73D879.4070701@gmail.com> References: <78a9ab5d1002110013w35b6d043oe7a5d9a9a1577723@mail.gmail.com> <20100211195109.e653ff50.raster@rasterman.com> <1265881085.4302.1204.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <20100211204633.981933ba.raster@rasterman.com> <20100211205912.3b597e92.openmoko@netapps.com.au> <4B73D879.4070701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100211212331.a1e42820.openmoko@netapps.com.au> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:14:17 +0100 Bernd Pr?nster wrote: > isn't it technically enough to use the linux kernel and call it "linux > based" even if all the other stuff is proprietary?! I suppose so. I just wondered if bada was drived from a bsd variant, or possibly even minix. -- Michael Smith +61 416 062 898 http://glitch.tl From stefan at datenfreihafen.org Thu Feb 11 11:31:20 2010 From: stefan at datenfreihafen.org (Stefan Schmidt) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:31:20 +0100 Subject: RFC: FSOSHRCON 2010 kickoff In-Reply-To: <1265678672.3588.57.camel@andromeda> References: <1265678672.3588.57.camel@andromeda> Message-ID: <20100211103120.GB11811@excalibur.local> Hello. On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 02:24, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > > =Timeframe= > > I'd like us to meet in summer, i.e. somewhere during the May - August > timeframe. We have to try to avoid school holidays and summer vacations > (especially for those of us who have kids) though. Right now only 18.06-20.06 would not fit me. Thinking about upcoming exams I would like to see may or june. > =Duration= > > I'm afraid it needs to be a weekend, but we should aim to have two fully > productive days (think about losing at least one day for arrival and > setup plus cleaning up and departure), so it'd be best if we could > either add a friday or a monday to the bouquet. Agreed. > =Location= > > This largely depends on the scope of this conference. I found last > year's meeting @ LinuxHotel very pleasant and supercheap. The > requirements are a big room where we can sit on a round or squared table > with video and networking equipment. Hmm, do you want all people in one room even when we are having a sprint with different groups focusing and debate on special topics? Some smaller rooms would fit better imho. The bigger room would be needed for situations where we come together. > =Program= > > Last year we had a strong focus on getting to know each other and giving > presentations. While that's all good, I'd like to attempt something more > focused this year. I would love to come there with some concrete goals, > such as: > > *) Porting SHR to fsogsmd. > *) Porting FSO & SHR to the HTC Dream. > *) Porting FSO & SHR to the Palm Pre. > *) Unbreaking libfso-glib for C users. > *) Porting SHR-Settings to Vala. > etc. etc. > > I do think that we can allow for a small amount of presentations, but a > really limited one. This year we should strive for a more workshop & > code sprint oriented spirit. Agreed. Having the topics and team members fixed before the meeting starts would be a bonus. regards Stefan Schmidt From xavier.bestel at free.fr Thu Feb 11 16:15:15 2010 From: xavier.bestel at free.fr (Xavier Bestel) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:15:15 +0100 Subject: upcoming linux phones ... In-Reply-To: <1265881085.4302.1204.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> References: <78a9ab5d1002110013w35b6d043oe7a5d9a9a1577723@mail.gmail.com> <20100211195109.e653ff50.raster@rasterman.com> <1265881085.4302.1204.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> Message-ID: <1265901315.25427.75.camel@skunk> On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 10:38 +0100, Patryk Benderz wrote: > Dnia 2010-02-11, czw o godzinie 19:51 +1100, Carsten Haitzler pisze: > > On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:13:43 +0100 "RzR www.rzr.online.fr" > > said: > > > > > Hi, If it helps > > > samsung announced bada few mounth ago > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada_%28operating_system%29 > > > > > > but the SDK is not yet public to everyone ...too bad > > > I wish I can test this and review it , did you test it ? can you > > speak > > > about it ? > > > > bada != linux at all. dont bother following it. looks for limo > > instead. > well, is wiki mentioned above wrong? First sentence says: "bada > (pronounced /?b??d??/) is a Linux-based mobile operating system" Fixed :) From mickey at vanille-media.de Thu Feb 11 17:08:52 2010 From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:08:52 +0100 Subject: Fosdem Openmoko DevRoom presentation slides? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1265904532.3588.72.camel@andromeda> Hi Christoph, > Please can you explain a bit about slide 26, which show some external > board booting Angstroem with GTA02 ? This is an exciting project that tries to supply an PCB-replacement for existing GTA02, delivering roughly the power of a Beagle board, equipped with UMTS and some nice additional sensors. It's not my project hence I can't say more about that, but chances are there will be an official announcement hopefully soon. > Some words about GTA03 prototyp shown on slide 22 are appreciated as > well. How far from mass-production has this been before canceling ? Tough to say, since it's not clear how much "polishing" was actually missing, there had been a prototype that managed to do a full phone call, but there have also been some heating problems due to the very thin case. (I don't think this would be a viable path to continue, not alone due to the missing schematics etc.) Cheers, -- :M: From mckeea at rpi.edu Thu Feb 11 17:56:39 2010 From: mckeea at rpi.edu (Tony McKeehan) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:56:39 -0500 Subject: upcoming linux phones ... In-Reply-To: <1265901315.25427.75.camel@skunk> References: <78a9ab5d1002110013w35b6d043oe7a5d9a9a1577723@mail.gmail.com> <20100211195109.e653ff50.raster@rasterman.com> <1265881085.4302.1204.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <1265901315.25427.75.camel@skunk> Message-ID: <4B7436C7.7050402@rpi.edu> Xavier Bestel wrote: > On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 10:38 +0100, Patryk Benderz wrote: > >> Dnia 2010-02-11, czw o godzinie 19:51 +1100, Carsten Haitzler pisze: >> >>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:13:43 +0100 "RzR www.rzr.online.fr" >>> said: >>> >>> >>>> Hi, If it helps >>>> samsung announced bada few mounth ago >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada_%28operating_system%29 >>>> >>>> but the SDK is not yet public to everyone ...too bad >>>> I wish I can test this and review it , did you test it ? can you >>>> >>> speak >>> >>>> about it ? >>>> >>> bada != linux at all. dont bother following it. looks for limo >>> instead. >>> >> well, is wiki mentioned above wrong? First sentence says: "bada >> (pronounced /?b??d??/) is a Linux-based mobile operating system" >> > > Fixed :) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Somebody undid your changes... They either know more than us or they are just really hopeful and can't face the truth :P -Tonym From rms at 1407.org Thu Feb 11 18:15:54 2010 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:15:54 +0000 Subject: upcoming linux phones ... In-Reply-To: <4B7436C7.7050402@rpi.edu> References: <78a9ab5d1002110013w35b6d043oe7a5d9a9a1577723@mail.gmail.com> <20100211195109.e653ff50.raster@rasterman.com> <1265881085.4302.1204.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <1265901315.25427.75.camel@skunk> <4B7436C7.7050402@rpi.edu> Message-ID: <4B743B4A.9030409@1407.org> Em 11-02-2010 16:56, Tony McKeehan escreveu: >>>>> samsung announced bada few mounth ago >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada_%28operating_system%29 >>>>> >>>>> but the SDK is not yet public to everyone ...too bad >>>>> I wish I can test this and review it , did you test it ? can you >>>>> >>>> speak >>>> >>>>> about it ? >>>>> >>>> bada != linux at all. dont bother following it. looks for limo >>>> instead. >>>> >>> well, is wiki mentioned above wrong? First sentence says: "bada >>> (pronounced /?b??d??/) is a Linux-based mobile operating system" >> >> Fixed :) >> > Somebody undid your changes... They either know more than us or they are > just really hopeful and can't face the truth :P Perhaps that's not so far fetched at all, "Graphics Corporation"? Sounds like someone which might be involved... [rms at roque ~]$ whois 192.94.31.2 [Querying whois.arin.net] [whois.arin.net] OrgName: Mentor Graphics Corporation OrgID: MGC-3 Address: 8005 SW Boeckman Road City: Wilsonville StateProv: OR PostalCode: 97070-7777 Country: US NetRange: 192.94.31.0 - 192.94.31.255 CIDR: 192.94.31.0/24 NetName: MENTORG1 NetHandle: NET-192-94-31-0-1 Parent: NET-192-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Assignment NameServer: NS1.MENTORG.COM NameServer: NS2.MENTORG.COM Comment: RegDate: 1991-02-12 Updated: 2005-04-25 OrgAbuseHandle: MAA24-ARIN OrgAbuseName: Mentor ARIN Abuse OrgAbusePhone: +1-503-685-4735 OrgAbuseEmail: abuse_arin at mentor.com OrgTechHandle: MAT52-ARIN OrgTechName: Mentor ARIN Tech OrgTechPhone: +1-503-685-1372 OrgTechEmail: tech_arin at mentor.com # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2010-02-10 20:00 # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database. # # ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use # available at https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html From xavier.bestel at free.fr Thu Feb 11 18:38:53 2010 From: xavier.bestel at free.fr (Xavier Bestel) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:38:53 +0100 Subject: upcoming linux phones ... In-Reply-To: <4B743B4A.9030409@1407.org> References: <78a9ab5d1002110013w35b6d043oe7a5d9a9a1577723@mail.gmail.com> <20100211195109.e653ff50.raster@rasterman.com> <1265881085.4302.1204.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <1265901315.25427.75.camel@skunk> <4B7436C7.7050402@rpi.edu> <4B743B4A.9030409@1407.org> Message-ID: <1265909933.25427.98.camel@skunk> On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 17:15 +0000, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > Em 11-02-2010 16:56, Tony McKeehan escreveu: > >>>>> samsung announced bada few mounth ago > >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada_%28operating_system%29 > >>>>> > >>>>> but the SDK is not yet public to everyone ...too bad > >>>>> I wish I can test this and review it , did you test it ? can you > >>>>> > >>>> speak > >>>> > >>>>> about it ? > >>>>> > >>>> bada != linux at all. dont bother following it. looks for limo > >>>> instead. > >>>> > >>> well, is wiki mentioned above wrong? First sentence says: "bada > >>> (pronounced /?b??d??/) is a Linux-based mobile operating system" > >> > >> Fixed :) > >> > > Somebody undid your changes... They either know more than us or they are > > just really hopeful and can't face the truth :P > > Perhaps that's not so far fetched at all, "Graphics Corporation"? Sounds > like someone which might be involved... No, that one is me. And I still see the fixed text, so that maybe a caching problem (or maybe I just see what I fixed ..) Anyway it's Wikipedia, anyone can fix it. Xav From mike at mikecrash.com Thu Feb 11 19:47:55 2010 From: mike at mikecrash.com (Mike Crash) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:47:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: MC Navi released Message-ID: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> After preview about month ago here is finally first public version of MC Navi. Keep in mind it is still in hard development and this day I found some bugs, which are not yet fixed in this release (I didn't want to stop the release, because it is never-ending story). So if somebody wants to try, all information is on [1]. I have moved it to other site, because here is also Debian repository. Download source code and packages for Debian armel/i386/AMD64. [1] http://www.gps-routes.info/index.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=1 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/MC-Navi-released-tp4556580p4556580.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dale.schumacher at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 20:55:19 2010 From: dale.schumacher at gmail.com (Dale Schumacher) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:55:19 -0600 Subject: upcoming linux phones ... In-Reply-To: <1265909933.25427.98.camel@skunk> References: <78a9ab5d1002110013w35b6d043oe7a5d9a9a1577723@mail.gmail.com> <20100211195109.e653ff50.raster@rasterman.com> <1265881085.4302.1204.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <1265901315.25427.75.camel@skunk> <4B7436C7.7050402@rpi.edu> <4B743B4A.9030409@1407.org> <1265909933.25427.98.camel@skunk> Message-ID: <7780e76c1002111155m41ea00cdpe0ee2aa2ccef7241@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Xavier Bestel wrote: > On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 17:15 +0000, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >> Em 11-02-2010 16:56, Tony McKeehan escreveu: >> >>>>> samsung announced bada few mounth ago >> >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada_%28operating_system%29 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> but the SDK is not yet public to everyone ...too bad >> >>>>> I wish I can test this and review it , did you test it ? can you >> >>>>> >> >>>> speak >> >>>> >> >>>>> about it ? >> >>>>> >> >>>> bada != linux at all. dont bother following it. looks for limo >> >>>> instead. >> >>>> >> >>> well, is wiki mentioned above wrong? First sentence says: "bada >> >>> (pronounced /?b??d??/) is a Linux-based mobile operating system" >> >> >> >> Fixed :) >> >> >> > Somebody undid your changes... They either know more than us or they are >> > just really hopeful and can't face the truth :P >> >> Perhaps that's not so far fetched at all, "Graphics Corporation"? Sounds >> like someone which might be involved... > > No, that one is me. > And I still see the fixed text, so that maybe a caching problem (or > maybe I just see what I fixed ..) > > Anyway it's Wikipedia, anyone can fix it. > > ? ? ? ?Xav > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > The 2009/12/22 video mentions a "kernel independent" api layer supported by both Linux and RTOS, so I guess they are at least _claiming_ that Linux-at-the-code is one of the options. From dale.schumacher at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 20:56:13 2010 From: dale.schumacher at gmail.com (Dale Schumacher) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:56:13 -0600 Subject: upcoming linux phones ... In-Reply-To: <7780e76c1002111155m41ea00cdpe0ee2aa2ccef7241@mail.gmail.com> References: <78a9ab5d1002110013w35b6d043oe7a5d9a9a1577723@mail.gmail.com> <20100211195109.e653ff50.raster@rasterman.com> <1265881085.4302.1204.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <1265901315.25427.75.camel@skunk> <4B7436C7.7050402@rpi.edu> <4B743B4A.9030409@1407.org> <1265909933.25427.98.camel@skunk> <7780e76c1002111155m41ea00cdpe0ee2aa2ccef7241@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7780e76c1002111156w55701ce5yaaac841e89670a12@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Dale Schumacher wrote: > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Xavier Bestel wrote: >> On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 17:15 +0000, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >>> Em 11-02-2010 16:56, Tony McKeehan escreveu: >>> >>>>> samsung announced bada few mounth ago >>> >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada_%28operating_system%29 >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> but the SDK is not yet public to everyone ...too bad >>> >>>>> I wish I can test this and review it , did you test it ? can you >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> speak >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> about it ? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> bada != linux at all. dont bother following it. looks for limo >>> >>>> instead. >>> >>>> >>> >>> well, is wiki mentioned above wrong? First sentence says: "bada >>> >>> (pronounced /?b??d??/) is a Linux-based mobile operating system" >>> >> >>> >> Fixed :) >>> >> >>> > Somebody undid your changes... They either know more than us or they are >>> > just really hopeful and can't face the truth :P >>> >>> Perhaps that's not so far fetched at all, "Graphics Corporation"? Sounds >>> like someone which might be involved... >> >> No, that one is me. >> And I still see the fixed text, so that maybe a caching problem (or >> maybe I just see what I fixed ..) >> >> Anyway it's Wikipedia, anyone can fix it. >> >> ? ? ? ?Xav >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > The 2009/12/22 video mentions a "kernel independent" api layer > supported by both Linux and RTOS, so I guess they are at least > _claiming_ that Linux-at-the-code is one of the options. > sorry... I meant to say "Linux-at-the-CORE" From vaudano at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 21:09:07 2010 From: vaudano at gmail.com (Vaudano Luca) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:09:07 -0500 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: WOW! Thanks a lot for the code... I will gladly look at it From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Thu Feb 11 23:31:05 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:31:05 +0200 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> (Mike Crash's message of "Thu\, 11 Feb 2010 10\:47\:55 -0800 \(PST\)") References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <84ocjve76e.fsf@sauna.l.org> Mike Crash writes: > [1] http://www.gps-routes.info/index.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=1 That says just "Omlouv?me se, ale tato sekce je p#?stupn? pouze pro administr?tory" From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Thu Feb 11 23:34:13 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:34:13 +0200 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> (Mike Crash's message of "Thu\, 11 Feb 2010 10\:47\:55 -0800 \(PST\)") References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <84k4uje716.fsf@sauna.l.org> Mike Crash writes: > So if somebody wants to try, all information is on [1]. I have moved it to > other site, because here is also Debian repository. Download source code and > packages for Debian armel/i386/AMD64. Cool. This is one of the few new software announcements that actually mention source code :-) However, there was a problem fetching the source code of the debian package: $ tail -n1 /etc/apt/sources.list deb-src http://www.gps-routes.info/debian sid main $ sudo aptitude update ... Ign http://www.gps-routes.info sid Release.gpg ... Get:8 http://www.gps-routes.info sid Release [8827B] ... Ign http://www.gps-routes.info sid/main Sources Ign http://www.gps-routes.info sid/main Sources Get:11 http://www.gps-routes.info sid/main Sources [1276B] ... $ apt-get source mcnavi Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Need to get 817kB of source archives. Get:1 http://www.gps-routes.info sid/main mcnavi 0.2.4 (dsc) [559B] Get:2 http://www.gps-routes.info sid/main mcnavi 0.2.4 (tar) [817kB] Fetched 817kB in 0s (1384kB/s) Failed to fetch http://www.gps-routes.info/debian/pool/main/m/mcnavi/mcnavi_0.2.4.dsc Hash Sum mismatch Failed to fetch http://www.gps-routes.info/debian/pool/main/m/mcnavi/mcnavi_0.2.4.tar.gz Hash Sum mismatch E: Failed to fetch some archives. Any idea what might be wrong? From vaudano at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 23:30:58 2010 From: vaudano at gmail.com (Vaudano Luca) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:30:58 +0100 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: <84ocjve76e.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <84ocjve76e.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: Yes you have to go to the 'Downloads' in the left menu :) 2010/2/11 Timo Juhani Lindfors : > Mike Crash writes: >> [1] http://www.gps-routes.info/index.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=1 > > That says just > > "Omlouv?me se, ale tato sekce je p#?stupn? pouze pro administr?tory" > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Thu Feb 11 23:52:42 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:52:42 +0200 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> (Mike Crash's message of "Thu\, 11 Feb 2010 10\:47\:55 -0800 \(PST\)") References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <84fx57e66d.fsf@sauna.l.org> Mike Crash writes: > other site, because here is also Debian repository. Download source code and > packages for Debian armel/i386/AMD64. $ dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc in debian unstable fails with checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes checking whether to build shared libraries... yes checking whether to build static libraries... yes checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes checking for MCNAVI... configure: error: Package requirements (ecore ecore-evas edje imlib2 libgps) were not met: No package 'imlib2' found Maybe libimlib2-dev should be added as a build-dependency? I tried installing it but it does not seem to be currently installable: $ sudo aptitude install libimlib2-dev Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Reading extended state information... Done Initializing package states... Done Reading task descriptions... Done The following NEW packages will be installed: libgif-dev{a} libimlib2-dev libjpeg8-dev{ab} libpng12-dev{a} libtiff4-dev{a} libtiffxx0c2{a} 0 packages upgraded, 6 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 1303kB of archives. After unpacking 3645kB will be used. The following packages have unmet dependencies: libjpeg8-dev: Conflicts: libjpeg62-dev but 6b-16 is installed. The following actions will resolve these dependencies: Keep the following packages at their current version: 1) libimlib2-dev [Not Installed] 2) libjpeg8-dev [Not Installed] 3) libtiff4-dev [Not Installed] Tier: Safe actions, Remove packages (10000) Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] Did you also use debian unstable to build the packages or something else? From wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca Fri Feb 12 06:51:06 2010 From: wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca (Warren Baird) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:51:06 -0500 Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I haven't turned my FR on since I got a nokia n900 a few weeks back. It has all of the things that appeal to me about the FR - I can 'apt-get install' the software I want, I can ssh into it, etc. *BUT* it's better in so many ways. The UI is so much more responsive, the phone is so much more reliable. I can confidently make and receive calls! It has fantastic built-in email and IM apps, and I can run pidgin for IRC. Evince works great, and the wide screen display is gorgeous for reading e-books. It very reliably connects to wifi... It does a great job of playing SD TV episode video. I could go on for a while longer... About the only real negative I've noticed is that the battery life isn't great - I get maybe 12-14 hours on a charge --- it doesn't seem to be suspending at all in the sense that the FR does - I think it just blanks the screen and maybe slows the processor down... Oh, and the equivilent app to 'openmoocow' isn't quite as nice - which is almost a deal-breaker for my 2.5 year old daughter - she definitely prefers the FR. Warren On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? > > What distribution you run most of the time? > > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? > > > Thank you :) > > > r > > -- > | risto h. kurppa > | risto at kurppa dot fi > | http://risto.kurppa.fi > _______________________________________________ > Shr-User mailing list > Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org > http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100212/762652ee/attachment.htm From mike at mikecrash.com Fri Feb 12 07:19:24 2010 From: mike at mikecrash.com (Mike Crash) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:19:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: <84fx57e66d.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <84fx57e66d.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <1265955564271-4559643.post@n2.nabble.com> Ooops, no surprise, always goes something wrong :) I have fixed the unreachable page. For compile you need libimlib2-dev and yes, it is missing in dependencies, I will correct it in next release. For repository - this is my first repository, so it may not be right - I have tried only the binary, not the source. I will try to fix it through the weekend. Download it from downloads section if it doesn't work. I'm preparing for some countries downloads. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/MC-Navi-released-tp4556580p4559643.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Fri Feb 12 08:10:14 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:10:14 +0200 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: <1265955564271-4559643.post@n2.nabble.com> (Mike Crash's message of "Thu\, 11 Feb 2010 22\:19\:24 -0800 \(PST\)") References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <84fx57e66d.fsf@sauna.l.org> <1265955564271-4559643.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <84bpfvdj55.fsf@sauna.l.org> Mike Crash writes: > For repository - this is my first repository, so it may not be right - I What software are you using to set it up? I found reprepro really easy to use. From mike at mikecrash.com Fri Feb 12 08:50:43 2010 From: mike at mikecrash.com (Mike Crash) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:50:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: <84bpfvdj55.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <84fx57e66d.fsf@sauna.l.org> <1265955564271-4559643.post@n2.nabble.com> <84bpfvdj55.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <1265961043377-4559816.post@n2.nabble.com> Yes, I used reprepro too, but the result uploaded to FTP. May be I was missed something when uploading. is there a way to sync local directory to FTP? Also it would be nice to sign the repository. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/MC-Navi-released-tp4556580p4559816.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Fri Feb 12 09:22:37 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:22:37 +0200 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: <1265961043377-4559816.post@n2.nabble.com> (Mike Crash's message of "Thu\, 11 Feb 2010 23\:50\:43 -0800 \(PST\)") References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <84fx57e66d.fsf@sauna.l.org> <1265955564271-4559643.post@n2.nabble.com> <84bpfvdj55.fsf@sauna.l.org> <1265961043377-4559816.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <847hqieucy.fsf@sauna.l.org> Mike Crash writes: > Yes, I used reprepro too, but the result uploaded to FTP. May be I was missed > something when uploading. is there a way to sync local directory to FTP? > Also it would be nice to sign the repository. I'm using rsync but I imagine ftp should work too. You don't have directory listing allowed on the server which makes it bit harder to debug remotely :-) Maybe you forgot to upload the Sources.gz file? It has a checksum $ wget -q -O - http://www.gps-routes.info/debian/dists/sid/main/source/Sources.gz | zcat | grep mcnav Package: mcnavi Binary: mcnavi, mcnavi-osm2mcmap Directory: pool/main/m/mcnavi 222f7599dc035aba4078acc0241eb0c9 559 mcnavi_0.2.4.dsc dfc9537fbb82c30a3829e7a71119e28d 816501 mcnavi_0.2.4.tar.gz 4f12fc01d4c4f399fa04f3d74ac42923df14bb9e 559 mcnavi_0.2.4.dsc 5c57a4e871babeceb4c4de3ba5bc05f26d9b1d8d 816501 mcnavi_0.2.4.tar.gz 4794b8ab1bb8161acd61f4a3ee9a1ab9f8b7c99e14cc0a7fdffa13ed238196ca 559 mcnavi_0.2.4.dsc 0a036d821834170be774144cffa8571b6f5c911b4a7d752e4cf84ec41a8c233b 816501 mcnavi_0.2.4.tar.gz that does not match the dsc file anymore: $ md5sum mcnavi_0.2.4.dsc.FAILED d39fd673d65e80e33f8108b6fc7e7c52 mcnavi_0.2.4.dsc.FAILED From david at garabana.com Fri Feb 12 10:22:45 2010 From: david at garabana.com (David Garabana Barro) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:22:45 +0100 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: <1265955564271-4559643.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <84fx57e66d.fsf@sauna.l.org> <1265955564271-4559643.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <201002121022.48904.david@garabana.com> On Friday 12 February 2010 07:19:24 Mike Crash wrote: > I'm preparing for some countries downloads. 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Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100212/07c89c13/attachment.pgp From neiljerram at googlemail.com Fri Feb 12 10:39:50 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:39:50 +0000 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: <1265961043377-4559816.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <84fx57e66d.fsf@sauna.l.org> <1265955564271-4559643.post@n2.nabble.com> <84bpfvdj55.fsf@sauna.l.org> <1265961043377-4559816.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <49dd78621002120139y2c81ad48q7f07f4230c4f9f97@mail.gmail.com> On 12 February 2010 07:50, Mike Crash wrote: > > Yes, I used reprepro too, but the result uploaded to FTP. May be I was missed > something when uploading. is there a way to sync local directory to FTP? lftp can do that. It has a "mirror" command. Neil From neiljerram at googlemail.com Fri Feb 12 10:41:45 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:41:45 +0000 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: <201002121022.48904.david@garabana.com> References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <84fx57e66d.fsf@sauna.l.org> <1265955564271-4559643.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002121022.48904.david@garabana.com> Message-ID: <49dd78621002120141u6798619eo2acfb7736a462953@mail.gmail.com> On 12 February 2010 09:22, David Garabana Barro wrote: > > Is there any opkg of your program fot trying it on SHR? I haven't done it myself, but I've often heard people say that opkg can install a .deb Neil From keegiveel at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 12:38:08 2010 From: keegiveel at gmail.com (Margo) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:38:08 +0200 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On 11 February 2010 20:47, Mike Crash wrote: > > After preview about month ago here is finally first public version of MC > Navi. Keep in mind it is still in hard development and this day I found some > bugs, which are not yet fixed in this release (I didn't want to stop the > release, because it is never-ending story). > > So if somebody wants to try, all information is on [1]. I have moved it to > other site, because here is also Debian repository. Download source code and > packages for Debian armel/i386/AMD64. > > [1] http://www.gps-routes.info/index.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=1 I can't install it on qtmoko: neo:~# apt-get install mcnavi Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: mcnavi: Depends: libecore-evas-svn-05 (>= 0.9.9.063) but it is not installable Depends: libecore-svn-05 (>= 0.9.9.063) but it is not installable Depends: libedje-svn-05 (>= 0.9.92.063) but it is not installable Depends: libevas-svn-05 (>= 0.9.9.063) but it is not installable Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.4.0) but 1:4.3.2-1.1 is to be installed Depends: libgps18 (>= 2.39) but it is not installable E: Broken packages From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Fri Feb 12 12:55:55 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:55:55 +0200 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: (Margo's message of "Fri\, 12 Feb 2010 13\:38\:08 +0200") References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <84iqa2652s.fsf@sauna.l.org> Margo writes: > I can't install it on qtmoko: Mixing binary packages between distributions is generally a bad idea. In this case they probably use different package names and version numbers. Does qtmoko have E17? What are the names of the packages? > mcnavi: Depends: libecore-evas-svn-05 (>= 0.9.9.063) but it is not installable > Depends: libecore-svn-05 (>= 0.9.9.063) but it is not installable > Depends: libedje-svn-05 (>= 0.9.92.063) but it is not installable > Depends: libevas-svn-05 (>= 0.9.9.063) but it is not installable > Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.4.0) but 1:4.3.2-1.1 is to be installed > Depends: libgps18 (>= 2.39) but it is not installable From keegiveel at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 13:09:45 2010 From: keegiveel at gmail.com (Margo) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:09:45 +0200 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: <84iqa2652s.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <84iqa2652s.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: On 12 February 2010 13:55, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > Margo writes: >> I can't install it on qtmoko: > > Mixing binary packages between distributions is generally a bad > idea. In this case they probably use different package names and > version numbers. > > Does qtmoko have E17? What are the names of the packages? > There's a package named e16 in the repository. But no packages named libecore, libedje, libevas or libgps18 (but there is libgps17). libgcc1 is version 1:4.3.2-1.1 From rakshat at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 13:27:18 2010 From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:57:18 +0530 Subject: Advance planning for SHR-Stable release party :) Message-ID: <69a2e4551002120427w2dfc8df6xeb7400eef51080ba@mail.gmail.com> I am not very sure when SHR Stable will be released (I assume in the next 2 months) but it would be great if we could plan small SHR stable release parties across the world. Basically these would be SHR and other OM distro users (and interested friends and family) getting together for a drink and some food (and accompanieng geek talk/ distro wars/ show off my customizations are cooler than yours etc) to celebrate the SHR Stable release. I would be willing to host a party in New Delhi, India Also if there is enough interest we could start a wiki page to coordinate this. Rakshat -- -------------- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100212/2d123511/attachment.htm From alishams at interchange.ubc.ca Fri Feb 12 13:37:07 2010 From: alishams at interchange.ubc.ca (Alishams Hassam) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:37:07 -0800 Subject: Advance planning for SHR-Stable release party :) In-Reply-To: <11845_1265977673_1265977673_69a2e4551002120427w2dfc8df6xeb7400eef51080ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <11845_1265977673_1265977673_69a2e4551002120427w2dfc8df6xeb7400eef51080ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1265978228.2335.40.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 17:57 +0530, rakshat hooja wrote: > I am not very sure when SHR Stable will be released (I assume in the > next 2 months) but it would be great if we could plan small SHR stable > release parties across the world. Basically these would be SHR and > other OM distro users (and interested friends and family) getting > together for a drink and some food (and accompanieng geek talk/ distro > wars/ show off my customizations are cooler than yours etc) to > celebrate the SHR Stable release. > > I would be willing to host a party in New Delhi, India > > Also if there is enough interest we could start a wiki page to > coordinate this. > > Rakshat > Depending when it is, I may be able to organize one in Vancouver BC, though I don't know if there are more than a handful of FR users in the metro region. From Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl Fri Feb 12 13:39:03 2010 From: Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl (Patryk Benderz) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:39:03 +0100 Subject: [qtmoko] New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner In-Reply-To: <1263370345268-4329047.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1263198892150-4284388.post@n2.nabble.com> <20607da11001121552k58d87b3l517c6b379942119@mail.gmail.com> <1263370345268-4329047.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1265978343.4693.0.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> [cut] > This is an installer-image which will flash to nand, but you can flash to > nand using dfu-util by flashing the files 'kernel.img' (== uImage) and > 'rootfs.img' (== jffs2). > > Ghislain And which of files is kernel with nodebug? -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point From alishams at interchange.ubc.ca Fri Feb 12 13:57:06 2010 From: alishams at interchange.ubc.ca (Alishams Hassam) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:57:06 -0800 Subject: [qtmoko] New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner In-Reply-To: <18533_1265978375_1265978375_1265978343.4693.0.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> References: <1263198892150-4284388.post@n2.nabble.com> <20607da11001121552k58d87b3l517c6b379942119@mail.gmail.com> <1263370345268-4329047.post@n2.nabble.com> <18533_1265978375_1265978375_1265978343.4693.0.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> Message-ID: <1265979426.2335.44.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 13:39 +0100, Patryk Benderz wrote: > [cut] > > This is an installer-image which will flash to nand, but you can flash to > > nand using dfu-util by flashing the files 'kernel.img' (== uImage) and > > 'rootfs.img' (== jffs2). > > > > Ghislain > And which of files is kernel with nodebug? > It's kernel.img From helge.hafting at hist.no Fri Feb 12 13:51:02 2010 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:51:02 +0100 Subject: AW: What to do with a broken touchscreen? In-Reply-To: <49dd78621002100412j27712e28kd5cb1aae5c05c149@mail.gmail.com> References: <852433.30184.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4B729F0E.7020400@hist.no> <49dd78621002100412j27712e28kd5cb1aae5c05c149@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B754EB6.3000601@hist.no> Neil Jerram wrote: > On 10 February 2010 11:57, Helge Hafting wrote: [...] >> That did the trick! Thanks for the tip - an easy repair when >> one knows. > > Could you explain more, because I think I have this problem too. How > do you make a suitable glue strip, and how and where do you apply it? > If you think it would help, could you take a photo? The fix is easy. The "glue strip" is ordinary transparent tape. Any supermarket or office supply shop should have it. Get a roll of tape, tear off a short strip, press it down on the bad part of the touchscreen where it will stick. Then tear it slowly off again. My touchscreen became "unstuck" at the first try. If yours doesn't, try a few times more. Note that the dent in the screen does not go away, but the troublesome behaviour ends. If you want to see what exactly the touchscreen is doing, then turn on the X mouse cursor. Open /etc/X11/Xserver in an editor. Search for GTA02. In that section, you'll find "-hide-cursor". Remove that word. (You may want to make a copy of the original file first, so you can restore normal behaviour later.) Then restart X ( /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart) or reboot. if the cursor don't show up after that, start the terminal app and click in the middle of the terminal. The cursor should show after that. The visible mouse cursor should stay under your finger whenever you press the screen. If you have a dented "bad spot" on the screen, then the cursor will jump to that place all the time, and cause fake mouseclicks there which can be extermely annoying. Apparently, a dent in the screen compresses the touch-sensitive layer. Pulling out with some tape seems to fix that. Helge Hafting From helge.hafting at hist.no Fri Feb 12 14:09:26 2010 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:09:26 +0100 Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR In-Reply-To: References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus> Message-ID: <4B755306.5080001@hist.no> Margo wrote: > The Officer S101 seems interesting: > http://www.road.de/en/handypcs/officer.html > http://blog.hackable1.org/2009/08/running-hackable1-on-the-road-officer-s101.html Wow. At least a _useable_ hw keyboard. That is, one that has a couple of keys to the right of 'p' and 'l'. Which is necessary for so many non-english languages. A top row ending in 'p' is useless. Helge Hafting From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Fri Feb 12 14:39:12 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:39:12 +0200 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: (Margo's message of "Fri\, 12 Feb 2010 14\:09\:45 +0200") References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <84iqa2652s.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <84eikq60an.fsf@sauna.l.org> Margo writes: > There's a package named e16 in the repository. But no packages named My understanding is that you need E17 but I can be wrong. From Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl Fri Feb 12 15:34:51 2010 From: Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl (Patryk Benderz) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:34:51 +0100 Subject: [qtmoko] New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner In-Reply-To: <1265979426.2335.44.camel@localhost> References: <1263198892150-4284388.post@n2.nabble.com> <20607da11001121552k58d87b3l517c6b379942119@mail.gmail.com> <1263370345268-4329047.post@n2.nabble.com> <18533_1265978375_1265978375_1265978343.4693.0.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <1265979426.2335.44.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1265985291.4693.8.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> Dnia 2010-02-12, pi? o godzinie 04:57 -0800, Alishams Hassam pisze: > On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 13:39 +0100, Patryk Benderz wrote: > > [cut] > > > This is an installer-image which will flash to nand, but you can flash to > > > nand using dfu-util by flashing the files 'kernel.img' (== uImage) and > > > 'rootfs.img' (== jffs2). > > > > > > Ghislain > > And which of files is kernel with nodebug? > > > It's kernel.img Thanks, I made little test. I used this kernel with SHR-T. System loaded fast (~30s) , applications loads fast, but all graphics related activities like screen scrolling are painfully slow and look like a slide show. Would you kindly advise me a better nodebug kernel for tests with SHR-T? -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point From rakshat at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 16:56:29 2010 From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:26:29 +0530 Subject: [Shr-User] Advance planning for SHR-Stable release party :) In-Reply-To: <877hqih4d2.fsf@SSpaeth.de> References: <69a2e4551002120427w2dfc8df6xeb7400eef51080ba@mail.gmail.com> <877hqih4d2.fsf@SSpaeth.de> Message-ID: <69a2e4551002120756m44b2d3edjb5907dd2ff6ae2cf@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:57:18 +0530, rakshat hooja > wrote: > > I am not very sure when SHR Stable will be released (I assume in the next > 2 > > months) but it would be great if we could plan small SHR stable release > > parties across the world. Basically these would be SHR and other OM > distro > > users (and interested friends and family) getting together for a drink > and > > some food (and accompanieng geek talk/ distro wars/ show off my > > customizations are cooler than yours etc) to celebrate the SHR Stable > > release. > > hehe, given that we don't have an shr-stable manager, I see little hope > for this at the moment. I am currently in the process of updating > shr-testing in a new branch, and when that is pushed out, I will > basically rename shr/testing2009 to shr/stable. However, I will not be > able to make sure that any upgrades from one stable to the next stable > will work, I simply don't have the time (or motivation) for that. > > spaetz > When you rename it SHR/stable SHR Stable would have been released and we can have our celebrations :) Nomenclatures matter! And from your mail I infer there will be a next stable release also :) Thanks for the great work you are doing. Rakshat PS - So are we looking at a Feb or March renaming or testing to stable? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100212/77bba096/attachment.htm From neo at el-hennig.de Fri Feb 12 17:03:13 2010 From: neo at el-hennig.de (neo at el-hennig.de) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:03:13 +0100 (MET) Subject: [qtmoko] New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner Message-ID: <201002121603.o1CG3DJe024129@post.webmailer.de> > Thanks, I made little test. I used this kernel with SHR-T. System loaded > fast (~30s) , applications loads fast, but all graphics related > activities like screen scrolling are painfully slow and look like a > slide show. Would you kindly advise me a better nodebug kernel for tests > with SHR-T? I used this one for testing on SHR-U http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/download/experimental/ However, this kernel reveals problems with fso when trying to register GSM. There are supposed to be solutions for that, but neither worked for me. From vancel at thespazcat.com Fri Feb 12 18:43:49 2010 From: vancel at thespazcat.com (vancel35) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:43:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SHR-U] Wifi stopped working Message-ID: <1265996629240-4562468.post@n2.nabble.com> On a recent update/upgrade, I lost my ability to see wifi connections. I'm not sure what caused it, and I've done several things to see if I can bring it back, but I've had no luck so far. I'm sure it's something simple, but since I really didn't use wifi before December, I'm still somewhat new to the FR Wifi game. Here are the wifi packages I have installed $ opkg list-installed | grep -i wifi connman-plugin-wifi - 0.46-r5.4 task-base-wifi - 1.0-r87.4 Here are the wpa packages I have installed. $ opkg list-installed | grep -i wpa wpa-supplicant - 0.6.9-r5.1.4 wpa-supplicant-passphrase - 0.6.9-r5.1.4 When I run Mokonnect I get the following symptoms (at least I think they may be symptoms). - Mokonnect uses significant (between 5 and 20% CPU) when on the Wifi configuration page (the one with the "Scan" button). - When I click the "Scan" button, nothing happens. It used to show me the visible SSID's as expected. - When I click on the "Apply" button I get the following message: - Wifi device seems to be off, trying to power it on... - Failed powering on the device or it was still not found in connman. I can turn on the Wifi device manually in SHR-Settings -> Connections, but I never get the Wifi icon in the shelf. (I used to get the icon every time) When I try again after I've manually turned on the Wifi antenna, I get the same message, so I would guess that it's the 2nd part saying that the wifi device is not found in connman. I've upgraded every day since I first lost wifi hoping that maybe something was broken, but the lack of posts on the list regarding wifi makes me think something went wrong on my specific upgrade. With this in mind, I removed and reinstalled all of the packages that I could find regarding wifi or wpa, and some other packages accidentally because of opkg recommending the option to force removal of dependent packages. I reinstalled all of them, and still no luck. Any help would be appreciated. I'd rather not have to reflash if possible, but I guess I will if necessary. -Laura -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/SHR-U-Wifi-stopped-working-tp4562468p4562468.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From serdar at serdar-dere.net Fri Feb 12 20:47:56 2010 From: serdar at serdar-dere.net (Serdar Dere) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:47:56 +0100 Subject: Videos of FOSDEM 2010 available now Message-ID: <4B75B06C.7060304@serdar-dere.net> Hi there, the main talks and lightning talks are online now. http://video.fosdem.org/2010/ No openmoko videos available, sorry. Greetings Serdar From mike at mikecrash.com Fri Feb 12 22:37:16 2010 From: mike at mikecrash.com (Mike Crash) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:37:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: <84k4uje716.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <84k4uje716.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <1266010636118-4563699.post@n2.nabble.com> > "Omlouv?me se, ale tato sekce je p#?stupn? pouze pro administr?tory" There is a flag to switch to english language on gps-routes.info > Failed to fetch > http://www.gps-routes.info/debian/pool/main/m/mcnavi/mcnavi_0.2.4.dsc > Hash Sum mismatch > Failed to fetch > http://www.gps-routes.info/debian/pool/main/m/mcnavi/mcnavi_0.2.4.tar.gz > Hash Sum mismatch I have uploaded dists directory to wrong directory on ftp server (to dists itself), so it doesn't match, I have fixed it and it should work now > Is there any opkg of your program fot trying it on SHR? For SHR I have no binaries, it needs to recompile with different libraries. I work on Debian so I provide only Debian packages. > I can't install it on qtmoko: You need E17 EFL's, it will not work on qtmoko > Do you use the same bin format as navit? No, I'm using different, because it works entirely different than navit. It was my first attempt to speed up navit, but I have gave up - hard to change other's code -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/MC-Navi-released-tp4556580p4563699.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From openmoko at netapps.com.au Sat Feb 13 00:13:37 2010 From: openmoko at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:13:37 +1100 Subject: [SHR] Application for desktop categories Message-ID: <20100213101337.1df27455.openmoko@netapps.com.au> The number of applications on the SHR Illume desktop was getting to be a problem for me so I wrote a program which will rename batches of .desktop files to a different extension and hide them. The blog post is here: http://glitch.tl/deskcat.html Screenshot: http://artifacts.glitch.tl/DESKCAT-0.2-screenshot.png Package: http://opkg.glitch.tl/deskcat_0.3_arm.ipk Source: http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/deskcat/ Important: read the whole blog post before installing the package. This is somewhat experimental. Basically you define categories in the application and assign a category to any application. The application creates desktop launchers which will rename any managed .desktop files in /usr/share/applications to a different extention if they are not in the desired category. One problem with this application is that it does create quite a few .desktop files of its own and they do clutter the place up. The category icons could be put into categories of their own but that would make navigating slower. Please reply with any comments, complaints and feature requests. One thought I had after getting the application to work on the phone is that I could reduce the number of icons by using the GUI application to switch categories. Doing it that way would be slower and require more finger presses, but it would be tidier. -- Michael Smith +61 416 062 898 http://glitch.tl From higleylh at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 06:29:03 2010 From: higleylh at gmail.com (Lowell Higley) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:29:03 +0100 Subject: Alternatives to FR In-Reply-To: References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus> <37377be5517d1288b007c4c5ac0b55f8@localhost> Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Paul Fertser wrote: > > > Lowell Higley > writes: > > So I would say that no, the device drivers will not be open > > source. I would say the developer community would be provided with > > binary kernel modules." > > I guess that would be very likely to be considered a GPL violation > then. > > I guess I should read the mailing lists more often. Food for thought, not even android is GPL. Since this thread, I have found their SDK license. I'm not a lawyer so it is thoroughly confusing to me. Some things seem to be open source and others are not. If I read their license right, their Plazma OS (which is linux based) is not open source... which to me IS a GPL violation. Again.. not a lawyer. I'm thinking of sending the license on to an acquaintance at the FSF and getting his read. If anyone is interested, I'll update here. If not, I won't. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ghislain http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/qtmoko-New-significant-speedups-coming-to-FreeRunner-tp4284388p4565706.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Sat Feb 13 12:34:15 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:34:15 +0200 Subject: [qtmoko] New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner In-Reply-To: <1266058154363-4565706.post@n2.nabble.com> (ghislain@basetrend.nl's message of "Sat\, 13 Feb 2010 02\:49\:14 -0800 \(PST\)") References: <1263198892150-4284388.post@n2.nabble.com> <20607da11001121552k58d87b3l517c6b379942119@mail.gmail.com> <1263370345268-4329047.post@n2.nabble.com> <1265979426.2335.44.camel@localhost> <1265985291.4693.8.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <1266058154363-4565706.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <847hqhcqtk.fsf@sauna.l.org> ghislain writes: > I think the slowness of the graphics can be explained by not having the > kernel-modules installed. The kernel-modules are contained in the rootfs.img > as part of the total distribution. How can kernel modules affect graphics performance? From vanous at penguin.cz Sat Feb 13 12:40:51 2010 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:40:51 +0100 Subject: elm_browser initial release References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20100213124051.3e79ec16@vanek.robe.cz> On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:28:47 -0800 (PST) c_c (C) wrote: > >Hi, > Here is a webkit-efl / elementary based browser. hi, shr is considering using Ventura as default browser, which is cool. carefully considering, here is a list of what imho should be added/fixed before it can happen: - be able to handle downloads (start external wget process?) or allow copy of the link into clipboard - preconfigured to handle https - fix combo selection widget (IIRC edje theming issue) and low on the list: - disable content selection or at least ideally make it configurable (it makes finger scrolling working real slow if you select an image) Kind Regards Petr From ghislain at basetrend.nl Sat Feb 13 12:42:23 2010 From: ghislain at basetrend.nl (ghislain) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 03:42:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [qtmoko] New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner In-Reply-To: <847hqhcqtk.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <1263198892150-4284388.post@n2.nabble.com> <20607da11001121552k58d87b3l517c6b379942119@mail.gmail.com> <1263370345268-4329047.post@n2.nabble.com> <1265979426.2335.44.camel@localhost> <1265985291.4693.8.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <1266058154363-4565706.post@n2.nabble.com> <847hqhcqtk.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <1266061343639-4565826.post@n2.nabble.com> Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > > How can kernel modules affect graphics performance? > Maybe because some of the necessary modules can't be loaded now. I use this kernel on QtMoko and graphics are very fast, this was the only reason I could think of. Ghislain http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/qtmoko-New-significant-speedups-coming-to-FreeRunner-tp4284388p4565826.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From vollkorn at cryptobitch.de Sat Feb 13 13:59:32 2010 From: vollkorn at cryptobitch.de (Jan Girlich) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:59:32 +0100 Subject: Ventura ToDos [was: Re: elm_browser initial release] In-Reply-To: <20100213124051.3e79ec16@vanek.robe.cz> References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100213124051.3e79ec16@vanek.robe.cz> Message-ID: <1266065972.3548.2.camel@jan-x61> Am Samstag, den 13.02.2010, 12:40 +0100 schrieb Petr Vanek: > - be able to handle downloads (start external wget process?) or allow > copy of the link into clipboard > - preconfigured to handle https > - fix combo selection widget (IIRC edje theming issue) - add support for user/pass protected pages. Navigating to an Apache with .htaccess configured for username and password protection yields a help page telling you your browser does not implement this mechanism. :( Cheers Jan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As for GTA01 support I'm playing around with a 2.6.32 based kernel but with the initramfs embedded the result is to big ~2.4M. So we need to shrink it by 400K to fit into the kernel partition. Not yet sure how this should be done without either losing features (usb network access for example) or repartitioning NAND (dropping the uboot splash screen partition) but I personally don't want to take the latter route, so we will see... Thanks, Marc -- Marc Andre Tanner >< http://www.brain-dump.org/ >< GPG key: CF7D56C0 From sander at 3v8.net Sat Feb 13 14:47:25 2010 From: sander at 3v8.net (Sander van Grieken) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:47:25 +0100 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: <1266010636118-4563699.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <84k4uje716.fsf@sauna.l.org> <1266010636118-4563699.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <201002131447.25853.sander@3v8.net> Hi All, I made a quick untested binary package for SHR-T, and I gotta run now so I can't test myself, but maybe it's of use to someone. see http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/mcnavi_0.2.4-r0.4_armv4t.ipk grtz, Sander On Friday 12 February 2010 22:37:16 Mike Crash wrote: > > "Omlouv?me se, ale tato sekce je p#?stupn? pouze pro administr?tory" > > There is a flag to switch to english language on gps-routes.info > > > Failed to fetch > > http://www.gps-routes.info/debian/pool/main/m/mcnavi/mcnavi_0.2.4.dsc > > Hash Sum mismatch > > Failed to fetch > > http://www.gps-routes.info/debian/pool/main/m/mcnavi/mcnavi_0.2.4.tar.gz > > Hash Sum mismatch > > I have uploaded dists directory to wrong directory on ftp server (to dists > itself), so it doesn't match, I have fixed it and it should work now > > > Is there any opkg of your program fot trying it on SHR? > > For SHR I have no binaries, it needs to recompile with different libraries. > I work on Debian so I provide only Debian packages. > > > I can't install it on qtmoko: > You need E17 EFL's, it will not work on qtmoko > > > Do you use the same bin format as navit? > > No, I'm using different, because it works entirely different than navit. It > was my first attempt to speed up navit, but I have gave up - hard to change > other's code From vanous at penguin.cz Sat Feb 13 16:26:18 2010 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:26:18 +0100 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] qi-bootmenu-0.1 for GTA02 References: <20100213132541.GA32035@debbook.brain-dump.org> Message-ID: <20100213162618.71a4da64@vanek.robe.cz> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:25:41 +0100 Marc Andre Tanner (MAT) wrote: >Hi, > >I finally found the time to package up my current state of things which >works ok here at least for GTA02. Kernel + Qi can be downloaded from: > > http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/qi-bootmenu/ thank you Marc. i installed it when you posted it, tested and it works. Now after resume from suspend of my SHR on 1st partition on uSD, i got WSOD... haven$t seen my WSOD it for about a year now... Petr From risto at kurppa.fi Sat Feb 13 18:19:52 2010 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:19:52 +0200 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: <201002131447.25853.sander@3v8.net> References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <84k4uje716.fsf@sauna.l.org> <1266010636118-4563699.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002131447.25853.sander@3v8.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Sander van Grieken wrote: > Hi All, > > I made a quick untested binary package for SHR-T, and I gotta run now so I can't test > myself, but maybe it's of use to someone. > > see http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/mcnavi_0.2.4-r0.4_armv4t.ipk Installed OK, now I'm trying to use it (well, actually I installed the 64-bit deb on my desktop to run the map making faster..) http://www.gps-routes.info/index.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=1 Do I get correctly that I first download http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe.osm.bz2 (2.9G) to be able to run osm2mcmap -bt 0 -bo boundary.mcb map.osm to create the boundary data. Then I download http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/finland.osm.bz2 (67M) to create the map: osm2mcmap -bi boundary.mcb -mo map.mcm map.osm Let's see if my 2G of mem +2G of swap is enough :) 4.5 hours to go to download europe.osm.bz2.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From tingox at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 20:32:15 2010 From: tingox at gmail.com (Torfinn Ingolfsen) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 20:32:15 +0100 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] qi-bootmenu-0.1 for GTA02 In-Reply-To: <20100213132541.GA32035@debbook.brain-dump.org> References: <20100213132541.GA32035@debbook.brain-dump.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Marc Andre Tanner wrote: > > I finally found the time to package up my current state of things which > works ok here at least for GTA02. Kernel + Qi can be downloaded from: > Extremely cool! So, for flashing, when my NAND looks like this: neo:~# cat /proc/mtd dev: size erasesize name mtd0: 00200000 00010000 "physmap-flash.0" mtd1: 00040000 00020000 "qi" mtd2: 00040000 00020000 "depr-ub-env" mtd3: 00800000 00020000 "kernel" mtd4: 000a0000 00020000 "depr" mtd5: 00040000 00020000 "identity-ext2" mtd6: 0f6a0000 00020000 "rootfs" I should flash the bootloader to the partition named "qi" right? Like: dfu-util -a qi -R -D qi-s3c2442-bootmenu-0.1.udfu and the kernel like so: dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-GTA02-bootmenu-0.1.bin Is this correct? It would be nice if the various distros out there could place their > kernels in /boot/uImage-$MACHINE.bin where $MACHINE is either GTA01 > or GTA02. This makes sure that they will be detected by qi-bootmenu. > Seems QtMoko is already doing this: neo:~# ls -l /boot total 1818 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1852364 Oct 2 21:28 uImage-GTA02.bin You can optionally also place a logo in /boot/bootlogo.png which > will be displayed along the partition name. > Cool. :) -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Neil From nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com Sat Feb 13 23:19:41 2010 From: nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com (Niels Heyvaert) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 22:19:41 +0000 Subject: Alternatives to FR In-Reply-To: References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>, , <37377be5517d1288b007c4c5ac0b55f8@localhost>, , , Message-ID: > > Lowell Higley> > > writes: > >> So I would say that no, the device drivers will not be open > >> source. I would say the developer community would be provided with > >> binary kernel modules." > > > > I guess that would be very likely to be considered a GPL violation > > then. > > > > I guess I should read the mailing lists more often. Food for thought, not even android is GPL. Since this thread, I have found their SDK license. I'm not a lawyer so it is thoroughly confusing to me. Some things seem to be open source and others are not. If I read their license right, their Plazma OS (which is linux based) is not open source... which to me IS a GPL violation. Again.. not a lawyer. I'm thinking of sending the license on to an acquaintance at the FSF and getting his read. If anyone is interested, I'll update here. If not, I won't. > I think we're all interested, to some extend. Keep us posted, I would say. _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: kijk live tv, rechtstreeks vanaf je laptop. Meer informatie. http://windows.microsoft.com/windows-7 From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 02:52:41 2010 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:52:41 -0800 Subject: [shr-u 20100212] contacts list is empty Message-ID: hello list, after some shr-u strangeness i attempter an opkg upgrade. that failed so i was forced to re-flash. i did so with the latest 20100212 file. but now, it seems i no longer have any contacts. ive looked around in the pim settings for contacts and noticed there are 3 entries. ive tried setting all of them to default but still no contacts in the contacts list. there were many before. any one have a guiding light for this issue? From cchandel at yahoo.com Sun Feb 14 03:26:02 2010 From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:26:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: elm_browser initial release In-Reply-To: <20100213124051.3e79ec16@vanek.robe.cz> References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100213124051.3e79ec16@vanek.robe.cz> Message-ID: <1266114362660-4568782.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Thats Nice :) Petr Vanek wrote: > > - be able to handle downloads (start external wget process?) or allow > copy of the link into clipboard > An external wget process makes sense. I'll try that. Does the /home/root/ directory work - or should I create a Downloads directory (under /home/root) and download the files there? Petr Vanek wrote: > > - preconfigured to handle https > Hmm, I could add the /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt to the ipk for now. What do you think? Petr Vanek wrote: > > - fix combo selection widget (IIRC edje theming issue) > That would need edje experience way beyond what I have right now. Maybe someone (Jesus McCloud) could help with this? I'm still struggling with the edje file for launcher. Petr Vanek wrote: > > - disable content selection or at least ideally make it configurable (it > makes finger scrolling working real slow if you select an image) > Thats because efl-wbkit doesn't yet allow accessing webkit settings. Same problem for turning off images. I'll try working around that. vollkorn" wrote: > > - add support for user/pass protected pages. > Can you send me a link to test with? Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Ventura-browser-NEW-release-15-Jan-tp4357081p4568782.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From openmoko at netapps.com.au Sun Feb 14 05:55:52 2010 From: openmoko at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:55:52 +1100 Subject: elm_browser initial release In-Reply-To: <1266114362660-4568782.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100213124051.3e79ec16@vanek.robe.cz> <1266114362660-4568782.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20100214155552.5a1e961c.openmoko@netapps.com.au> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:26:02 -0800 (PST) c_c wrote: > An external wget process makes sense. I'll try that. Does the /home/root/ > directory work - or should I create a Downloads directory (under /home/root) > and download the files there? Sorry for butting in and changing the subject here but I think it is really bad for security that the whole openmoko userland, including web browsers, runs as root. I think it would be a good idea to consider running web browsers as a different user, possibly by launching them with su -c -- Michael Smith +61 416 062 898 http://glitch.tl From vanous at penguin.cz Sun Feb 14 09:36:26 2010 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:36:26 +0100 Subject: elm_browser initial release References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100213124051.3e79ec16@vanek.robe.cz> <1266114362660-4568782.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20100214093626.1d79cce8@vanek.robe.cz> >Petr Vanek wrote: >> >> - be able to handle downloads (start external wget process?) or allow >> copy of the link into clipboard >> > An external wget process makes sense. I'll try that. Does > the /home/root/ >directory work - or should I create a Downloads directory >(under /home/root) and download the files there? How about ~ by default but having it as a configurable string? And the downloader perhaps too? "wget". Some might change it to "wget -c" (continue downloading) > >Petr Vanek wrote: >> >> - preconfigured to handle https >> > Hmm, I could add the /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt to the ipk > for >now. What do you think? I hadn't realized until yesterday that the cert was the only thing missing, all the rest is installed by default already. Yes, either having it in the ipk or coordinate with the SHR folks who are apparently planning a solution too. > >Petr Vanek wrote: >> >> - fix combo selection widget (IIRC edje theming issue) >> > That would need edje experience way beyond what I have right now. > Maybe >someone (Jesus McCloud) could help with this? > I'm still struggling with the edje file for launcher. Have no edje knowledge either... >Petr Vanek wrote: >> >> - disable content selection or at least ideally make it configurable >> (it makes finger scrolling working real slow if you select an image) >> > Thats because efl-wbkit doesn't yet allow accessing webkit settings. > Same >problem for turning off images. I'll try working around that. Low priority, as mentioned. > >vollkorn" wrote: >> >> - add support for user/pass protected pages. >> > Can you send me a link to test with? test here: http://vanous.penguin.cz/files/ventura/ username and password: ventura cheers Petr From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Sun Feb 14 10:19:15 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:19:15 +0200 Subject: elm_browser initial release In-Reply-To: <20100214093626.1d79cce8@vanek.robe.cz> (Petr Vanek's message of "Sun\, 14 Feb 2010 09\:36\:26 +0100") References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100213124051.3e79ec16@vanek.robe.cz> <1266114362660-4568782.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100214093626.1d79cce8@vanek.robe.cz> Message-ID: <84pr48b2ek.fsf@sauna.l.org> Petr Vanek writes: > How about ~ by default but having it as a configurable string? And the > downloader perhaps too? "wget". Some might change it to > "wget -c" (continue downloading) Just make sure people won't accidentally download e.g. ~/.bash_profile there. From rms at 1407.org Sun Feb 14 10:40:50 2010 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:40:50 +0000 Subject: elm_browser initial release In-Reply-To: <1266114362660-4568782.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100213124051.3e79ec16@vanek.robe.cz> <1266114362660-4568782.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B77C522.3050308@1407.org> Em 14-02-2010 02:26, c_c escreveu: >> - preconfigured to handle https >> > Hmm, I could add the /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt to the ipk for > now. What do you think? Please don't! It should be in it's own package, and not provided by each application. If you want, while it's not in its own package, package your own (/usr/share/ventura/ca-certificates.crt for instance). However, thank you very much for that tip, so my elmdentica code works with SSL but all it lacked was that file... I copied it from my laptop and now I have SSL working on the Freerunner, so cool! Anyone knows of a package that has this file and should be installed by default even though it isn't currently? Rui From Quakeman1 at gmx.net Sun Feb 14 10:50:44 2010 From: Quakeman1 at gmx.net (Fox Mulder) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:50:44 +0100 Subject: [shr-u 20100212] contacts list is empty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B77C774.4030507@gmx.net> jeremy jozwik schrieb: > hello list, after some shr-u strangeness i attempter an opkg upgrade. > that failed so i was forced to re-flash. i did so with the latest > 20100212 file. but now, it seems i no longer have any contacts. > > ive looked around in the pim settings for contacts and noticed there > are 3 entries. ive tried setting all of them to default but still no > contacts in the contacts list. there were many before. > > any one have a guiding light for this issue? AFAIK the contacts are saved in a sqlite db (default) on the filesystem and not on the sim card. So if you re-flashed shr than you also lost your contacts from before. Ciao, Rainer From neo at el-hennig.de Sun Feb 14 11:39:18 2010 From: neo at el-hennig.de (Lars Hennig) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:39:18 +0100 Subject: elm_browser initial release In-Reply-To: <20100214093626.1d79cce8@vanek.robe.cz> References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com> <1266114362660-4568782.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100214093626.1d79cce8@vanek.robe.cz> Message-ID: <201002141139.18416.neo@el-hennig.de> Am Sonntag 14 Februar 2010 schrieb Petr Vanek: > How about ~ by default but having it as a configurable string? And the > downloader perhaps too? "wget". Some might change it to > "wget -c" ?(continue downloading) Even better would be /media/card as there is usually more space... -- Lars Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology: There's always one more bug. From ml at vdm-design.de Sun Feb 14 11:49:10 2010 From: ml at vdm-design.de (Thomas Zimmermann) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:49:10 +0100 Subject: elm_browser initial release In-Reply-To: <201002141139.18416.neo@el-hennig.de> References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100214093626.1d79cce8@vanek.robe.cz> <201002141139.18416.neo@el-hennig.de> Message-ID: <201002141149.10528.ml@vdm-design.de> Am Sonntag 14 Februar 2010 11:39:18 schrieb Lars Hennig: > Am Sonntag 14 Februar 2010 schrieb Petr Vanek: > > How about ~ by default but having it as a configurable string? And the > > downloader perhaps too? "wget". Some might change it to > > "wget -c" (continue downloading) > > Even better would be /media/card as there is usually more space... > And what is, if someone has no sd card, or is running from it? Then that directory is missing. This should be sth the user can choose. So please include a option to configure that directory. Regards From omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org Sun Feb 14 11:50:29 2010 From: omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org (omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:50:29 +0100 Subject: elm_browser initial release In-Reply-To: <201002141139.18416.neo@el-hennig.de> References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com> <1266114362660-4568782.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100214093626.1d79cce8@vanek.robe.cz> <201002141139.18416.neo@el-hennig.de> Message-ID: <20100214115029.96f1bab1.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:39:18 +0100 Lars Hennig wrote: > Am Sonntag 14 Februar 2010 schrieb Petr Vanek: > > How about ~ by default but having it as a configurable string? And the > > downloader perhaps too? "wget". Some might change it to > > "wget -c" ?(continue downloading) > > Even better would be /media/card as there is usually more space... > Not everyone uses the card all the time, so ~/Downloads would be better. You can symlink that to whatever you wish (like it used to be in TangoGPS). Also, wget -c sometimes gives up, I think it was 10 retries. Cheers, rhn From neo at el-hennig.de Sun Feb 14 12:38:40 2010 From: neo at el-hennig.de (Lars Hennig) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:38:40 +0100 Subject: elm_browser initial release In-Reply-To: <20100214115029.96f1bab1.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002141139.18416.neo@el-hennig.de> <20100214115029.96f1bab1.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> Message-ID: <201002141238.40527.neo@el-hennig.de> Am Sonntag 14 Februar 2010 schrieb omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org: > Not everyone uses the card all the time, so ~/Downloads would be better. > You can symlink that to whatever you wish (like it used to be in TangoGPS). You are absolutely right: Of course it is much better to do it that way! And you could still make it configurable... > Also, wget -c sometimes gives up, I think it was 10 retries. wget -c -t0 tries the download without limit. -- Lars Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology: There's always one more bug. From baba_melone at yahoo.de Sun Feb 14 14:36:12 2010 From: baba_melone at yahoo.de (hab keen oh ne) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:36:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [shr-u 20100212] contacts list is empty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <949661.37533.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Upgrade failed for me, too. But only the X server wouldnt start, after 1 reboot, ssh was opened, so I could execute opkg upgrade again, this time successfully which made things work for me. Besides, SHR doesnt save the contacts and messages on the sim card any longer, so you should either always keep an up-to-date copy of the /etc/freesmartphone/opim/ directory or save the current nand image before reflashing, mount it and copy this directory. Greetings, Martin. ________________________________ Von: jeremy jozwik An: List for Openmoko community discussion Gesendet: Sonntag, den 14. Februar 2010, 2:52:41 Uhr Betreff: [shr-u 20100212] contacts list is empty hello list, after some shr-u strangeness i attempter an opkg upgrade. that failed so i was forced to re-flash. i did so with the latest 20100212 file. but now, it seems i no longer have any contacts. ive looked around in the pim settings for contacts and noticed there are 3 entries. ive tried setting all of them to default but still no contacts in the contacts list. there were many before. any one have a guiding light for this issue? _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verf?gt ?ber einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100214/e3eef3d3/attachment.htm From marcus.bauer at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 16:53:29 2010 From: marcus.bauer at gmail.com (Marcus Bauer) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:53:29 +0100 Subject: tangoGPS 0.99.3 is out Message-ID: <20100214165329.25cdbcfa@acer> Hi, tangoGPS is out with lots of speed improvements and a lot less of CPU usage. Moreover the speed display is now set in pixels and no longer in points - especially on SHR that should result in lot smaller digits. (not configurable yet). Enjoy, Marcus From bernd.pruenster at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 17:03:04 2010 From: bernd.pruenster at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bernd_Pr=FCnster?=) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:03:04 +0100 Subject: [shr-u 20100212] contacts list is empty In-Reply-To: <949661.37533.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <949661.37533.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B781EB8.4050001@gmail.com> hab keen oh ne wrote: > Upgrade failed for me, too. But only the X server wouldnt start, after > 1 reboot, ssh was opened, so I could execute opkg upgrade again, this > time successfully which made things work for me. Besides, SHR doesnt > save the contacts and messages on the sim card any longer, so you > should either always keep an up-to-date copy of the > /etc/freesmartphone/opim/ directory or save the current nand image > before reflashing, mount it and copy this directory. Or set the contacts default backend to Simcard in shr-settings, so that new contacts are stored on sim From uzi18 at o2.pl Sun Feb 14 17:07:24 2010 From: uzi18 at o2.pl (=?UTF-8?Q?Bart=C5=82omiej_Zimo=C5=84?=) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:07:24 +0100 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?My_FR_A5_Mods?= Message-ID: Hi All Just moded A5 with no bat mod and clamping mod [1]. It works :) and both Caps are 100uF/4V 1206. If someone from poland or neer by want these fixes please contact me. What left me to mod in A5? Someone said to check if there are C or R neer by Audio Codec but not remember now which? Best regards. Bartlomiej Zimon [1] http://starowa.one.pl/~uzi/om/a5_a6_mod.jpg From mike at mikecrash.com Sun Feb 14 19:37:39 2010 From: mike at mikecrash.com (Mike Crash) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:37:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <84k4uje716.fsf@sauna.l.org> <1266010636118-4563699.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002131447.25853.sander@3v8.net> Message-ID: <1266172659155-4571148.post@n2.nabble.com> Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Sander van Grieken > wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I made a quick untested binary package for SHR-T, and I gotta run now so >> I can't test >> myself, but maybe it's of use to someone. >> >> see http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/mcnavi_0.2.4-r0.4_armv4t.ipk > > Installed OK, now I'm trying to use it (well, actually I installed the > 64-bit deb on my desktop to run the map making faster..) > > http://www.gps-routes.info/index.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=1 > > Do I get correctly that I first download > http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe.osm.bz2 (2.9G) > to be able to run > osm2mcmap -bt 0 -bo boundary.mcb map.osm > to create the boundary data. > > Then I download > http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/finland.osm.bz2 (67M) > to create the map: > osm2mcmap -bi boundary.mcb -mo map.mcm map.osm > > Let's see if my 2G of mem +2G of swap is enough :) > > 4.5 hours to go to download europe.osm.bz2.. > > r > > That's right, exchange map.osm with the actually map file name -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/MC-Navi-released-tp4556580p4571148.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From fercerpav at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 20:32:55 2010 From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:32:55 +0300 Subject: My FR A5 Mods In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?Q?=22Bart?= =?utf-8?Q?=C5=82omiej_Zimo=C5=84=22's?= message of "Sun\, 14 Feb 2010 17\:07\:24 +0100") References: Message-ID: Bart?omiej Zimo? writes: > Just moded A5 with no bat mod and clamping mod [1]. It works :) and > both Caps are 100uF/4V 1206. Cool. For the recamping mode you could have used a much smaller capacitor but i see you found a nice place for this anyway, congratulations :) For the others who's going to do #1024 fix: the capacitor must be low-ESR, ceramic. 22uF is really enough. > What left me to mod in A5? > Someone said to check if there are C or R neer by Audio Codec but > not remember now which? R3004 and R3005 should be 0R and not 1uF. HTH -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com From klemmster at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 21:46:29 2010 From: klemmster at gmail.com (Richy) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:46:29 +0100 Subject: Jefliks Jabber-Client release Message-ID: <9e7398031002141246x64fb56c3y942fb3c718e4fd52@mail.gmail.com> On opkg jefliks was just posted. afaik it is the fastest JabberClient out there. (And the only one I know that is based on EFL) http://www.opkg.org/package_331.html Enjoy 668c16bc69 668c16bc69 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From ml at vdm-design.de Sun Feb 14 22:54:36 2010 From: ml at vdm-design.de (Thomas Zimmermann) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:54:36 +0100 Subject: Jefliks Jabber-Client release In-Reply-To: <9e7398031002141246x64fb56c3y942fb3c718e4fd52@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e7398031002141246x64fb56c3y942fb3c718e4fd52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <201002142254.36244.ml@vdm-design.de> Am Sonntag 14 Februar 2010 21:46:29 schrieb Richy: > On opkg jefliks was just posted. > > afaik it is the fastest JabberClient out there. (And the only one I know > that is based on EFL) > > http://www.opkg.org/package_331.html > > Enjoy > 668c16bc69 > 668c16bc69 > I tried to package it for SHR but i can't get it compile. I think it's taking the wrong pkg-config. Is it possible that the author switches to autotools? Then it would be much easier to package. Regards Thomas From steven at le-roux.info Sun Feb 14 23:52:51 2010 From: steven at le-roux.info (Steven Le Roux) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 23:52:51 +0100 Subject: Jefliks Jabber-Client release In-Reply-To: <9e7398031002141246x64fb56c3y942fb3c718e4fd52@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e7398031002141246x64fb56c3y942fb3c718e4fd52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f6db60d1002141452k7d2b4529g8dd9e89982462fb6@mail.gmail.com> w00t !!! really great ! many thx ! I will try it asap On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Richy wrote: > On opkg jefliks was just posted. > > afaik it is the fastest JabberClient out there. 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From undrwater at verizon.net Mon Feb 15 06:56:37 2010 From: undrwater at verizon.net (undrwater) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:56:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: <201002131447.25853.sander@3v8.net> References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <84k4uje716.fsf@sauna.l.org> <1266010636118-4563699.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002131447.25853.sander@3v8.net> Message-ID: <1266213397868-4573066.post@n2.nabble.com> Sander van Grieken wrote: > > Hi All, > > I made a quick untested binary package for SHR-T, and I gotta run now so I > can't test > myself, but maybe it's of use to someone. > > see http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/mcnavi_0.2.4-r0.4_armv4t.ipk > > I get: opkg install mcnavi_0.2.4-r0.4_armv4t.ipk opkg: mcnavi_0.2.4-r0.4_armv4t.ipk: invalid magic Collected errors: * Failed to extract control file from mcnavi_0.2.4-r0.4_armv4t.ipk -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/MC-Navi-released-tp4556580p4573066.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From risto at kurppa.fi Mon Feb 15 07:46:17 2010 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:46:17 +0200 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: <1266172659155-4571148.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <84k4uje716.fsf@sauna.l.org> <1266010636118-4563699.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002131447.25853.sander@3v8.net> <1266172659155-4571148.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Mike Crash wrote: > Risto H. Kurppa wrote: >> http://www.gps-routes.info/index.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=1 >> >> Do I get correctly that I first download >> http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe.osm.bz2 (2.9G) >> to be able to run >> osm2mcmap -bt 0 -bo boundary.mcb map.osm >> to create the boundary data. No can do. Extracting the europe.osm.bz2 resulted about 40G file. Running the osm2mcmap took all of my 2G of RAM + 2G of swap and died, out of memory. Any other ideas? More powerful machine or maybe a bit of optimization in the code? Someone willing to run this for all European users? r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From klemmster at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 07:52:59 2010 From: klemmster at gmail.com (Richy) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:52:59 +0100 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <84k4uje716.fsf@sauna.l.org> <1266010636118-4563699.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002131447.25853.sander@3v8.net> <1266172659155-4571148.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9e7398031002142252ja1a2d3dka2e35e5b96da4ee9@mail.gmail.com> I'll give it a shot. (8GB Ram + 10GB Swap) On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 07:46, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Mike Crash wrote: > > Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > >> http://www.gps-routes.info/index.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=1 > >> > >> Do I get correctly that I first download > >> http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe.osm.bz2 (2.9G) > >> to be able to run > >> osm2mcmap -bt 0 -bo boundary.mcb map.osm > >> to create the boundary data. > > No can do. > > Extracting the europe.osm.bz2 resulted about 40G file. > Running the osm2mcmap took all of my 2G of RAM + 2G of swap and died, > out of memory. > > Any other ideas? More powerful machine or maybe a bit of optimization > in the code? > Someone willing to run this for all European users? > > r > > -- > | risto h. kurppa > | risto at kurppa dot fi > | http://risto.kurppa.fi > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > 668c16bc69 668c16bc69 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100215/687fb364/attachment.htm From klemmster at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 08:04:42 2010 From: klemmster at gmail.com (Richy) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:04:42 +0100 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: <9e7398031002142252ja1a2d3dka2e35e5b96da4ee9@mail.gmail.com> References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <84k4uje716.fsf@sauna.l.org> <1266010636118-4563699.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002131447.25853.sander@3v8.net> <1266172659155-4571148.post@n2.nabble.com> <9e7398031002142252ja1a2d3dka2e35e5b96da4ee9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9e7398031002142304j7a702fe2hd278ac0b288a71cf@mail.gmail.com> Do i get this right, that extracting boundary data is not needed for the european map, as boundaries are just missing for country extracts? On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 07:52, Richy wrote: > I'll give it a shot. (8GB Ram + 10GB Swap) > > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 07:46, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > >> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Mike Crash wrote: >> > Risto H. Kurppa wrote: >> >> http://www.gps-routes.info/index.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=1 >> >> >> >> Do I get correctly that I first download >> >> http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe.osm.bz2 (2.9G) >> >> to be able to run >> >> osm2mcmap -bt 0 -bo boundary.mcb map.osm >> >> to create the boundary data. >> >> No can do. >> >> Extracting the europe.osm.bz2 resulted about 40G file. >> Running the osm2mcmap took all of my 2G of RAM + 2G of swap and died, >> out of memory. >> >> Any other ideas? More powerful machine or maybe a bit of optimization >> in the code? >> Someone willing to run this for all European users? >> >> r >> >> -- >> | risto h. kurppa >> | risto at kurppa dot fi >> | http://risto.kurppa.fi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > > 668c16bc69 > 668c16bc69 > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From rt at aspirinka.net Mon Feb 15 09:32:24 2010 From: rt at aspirinka.net (Sergey Alembekov) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:32:24 +0300 Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B790698.2040904@aspirinka.net> On 29.12.2009 23:30, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? no > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes (fbreader and listening music) > What distribution you run most of the time? shr > If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change > over to, and why? At the summer, after 1024 and buzz fixes i tried to use it for a two weeks as daily phone, but i lost several important calls and need to reboot twice a day. Will try it with new kernel. -- Regards, Sergey Alembekov ALTLinux Team xmpp: rt at jabber.ru From openmoko at brain-dump.org Mon Feb 15 09:37:30 2010 From: openmoko at brain-dump.org (Marc Andre Tanner) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:37:30 +0100 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] qi-bootmenu-0.1 for GTA02 In-Reply-To: References: <20100213132541.GA32035@debbook.brain-dump.org> Message-ID: <20100215083722.GA2794@debbook.brain-dump.org> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 08:32:15PM +0100, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Marc Andre Tanner > wrote: > > > > > I finally found the time to package up my current state of things which > > works ok here at least for GTA02. Kernel + Qi can be downloaded from: > > > > Extremely cool! > > So, for flashing, when my NAND looks like this: > neo:~# cat /proc/mtd > dev: size erasesize name > mtd0: 00200000 00010000 "physmap-flash.0" > mtd1: 00040000 00020000 "qi" > mtd2: 00040000 00020000 "depr-ub-env" > mtd3: 00800000 00020000 "kernel" > mtd4: 000a0000 00020000 "depr" > mtd5: 00040000 00020000 "identity-ext2" > mtd6: 0f6a0000 00020000 "rootfs" > > I should flash the bootloader to the partition named "qi" right? Like: > dfu-util -a qi -R -D qi-s3c2442-bootmenu-0.1.udfu > and the kernel like so: dfu-util -a kernel -R -D > uImage-GTA02-bootmenu-0.1.bin > Is this correct? Yes looks good. Marc -- Marc Andre Tanner >< http://www.brain-dump.org/ >< GPG key: CF7D56C0 From openmoko at brain-dump.org Mon Feb 15 09:41:28 2010 From: openmoko at brain-dump.org (Marc Andre Tanner) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:41:28 +0100 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] qi-bootmenu-0.1 for GTA02 In-Reply-To: <20100213162618.71a4da64@vanek.robe.cz> References: <20100213132541.GA32035@debbook.brain-dump.org> <20100213162618.71a4da64@vanek.robe.cz> Message-ID: <20100215084128.GB2794@debbook.brain-dump.org> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 04:26:18PM +0100, Petr Vanek wrote: > On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:25:41 +0100 > Marc Andre Tanner (MAT) wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I finally found the time to package up my current state of things which > >works ok here at least for GTA02. Kernel + Qi can be downloaded from: > > > > http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/qi-bootmenu/ > > > thank you Marc. > > i installed it when you posted it, tested and it works. Now after > resume from suspend of my SHR on 1st partition on uSD, i got WSOD... > haven$t seen my WSOD it for about a year now... I have also seen it a few times during development with an older SHR image, couldn't reproduce it reliably though. I will check it again. Marc -- Marc Andre Tanner >< http://www.brain-dump.org/ >< GPG key: CF7D56C0 From vanous at penguin.cz Mon Feb 15 10:05:50 2010 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:05:50 +0100 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] qi-bootmenu-0.1 for GTA02 References: <20100213132541.GA32035@debbook.brain-dump.org> <20100213162618.71a4da64@vanek.robe.cz> <20100215084128.GB2794@debbook.brain-dump.org> Message-ID: <20100215100550.604b27bb@vanek.robe.cz> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:41:28 +0100 Marc Andre Tanner (MAT) wrote: >On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 04:26:18PM +0100, Petr Vanek wrote: >> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:25:41 +0100 >> Marc Andre Tanner (MAT) wrote: >> >> >Hi, >> > >> >I finally found the time to package up my current state of things >> >which works ok here at least for GTA02. Kernel + Qi can be >> >downloaded from: >> > >> > http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/qi-bootmenu/ >> >> >> thank you Marc. >> >> i installed it when you posted it, tested and it works. Now after >> resume from suspend of my SHR on 1st partition on uSD, i got WSOD... >> haven$t seen my WSOD it for about a year now... > >I have also seen it a few times during development with an older SHR >image, couldn't reproduce it reliably though. I will check it again. the same here - couldn't reproduce. I have only 1 partition on my card (so the menu is useless atm for me but i am willing to test) and on some occasions the partition was not recognized, meaning i ended up only with Power off button. Also, i tried logging in via ssh but couldn't run fsck as it claimed (sorry, no proper log saved) fsck.auto not found. Also, on fsck -t ext2 it reported "couldn't read mtab". hope this helps, kind regards Petr From Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl Mon Feb 15 10:49:16 2010 From: Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl (Patryk Benderz) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:49:16 +0100 Subject: elm_browser initial release In-Reply-To: <20100214115029.96f1bab1.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com> <1266114362660-4568782.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100214093626.1d79cce8@vanek.robe.cz> <201002141139.18416.neo@el-hennig.de> <20100214115029.96f1bab1.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> Message-ID: <1266227356.4693.20.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> [cut] > Not everyone uses the card all the time, so ~/Downloads would be > better. You can symlink that to whatever you wish (like it used to be > in TangoGPS). Symlink is a good idea - I use it since "ages" but wouldn't ~/Maps folder fit better for this? -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point From rixed at happyleptic.org Mon Feb 15 11:00:58 2010 From: rixed at happyleptic.org (rixed at happyleptic.org) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:00:58 +0100 Subject: Tracking power leackage in my freerunner In-Reply-To: References: <20100127104023.GB4645@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <4B602670.9060000@gmx.net> <20100127125229.GC4645@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100129065331.GA1749@yeeloong> Message-ID: <20100215100057.GA11105@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> > > So I checked charge_now during suspend (measuring before and after > > suspend of course) and it seams that the battery is then discharging > > at the rate of 23mA, which leads to a total of approx 50 hours. > > That looks indeed like either mis-measurement or software > mis-configuration, e.g. you have GPS on during suspend or something > like that. You should get ~140hrs standby time with GSM on. Ruling out mis-measurment for now, apart from GPS abnd bluetooth do you know of some chip that could draw so much current ? And, is there an easy, low-level command I could run to check the current state of GPS/GSM/Bluetooth, etc ? Like cating a /sys file ? Because according to my H:1 setting programm everything is off, but I would like to check. Having the fixed FR running out of battery (without notice) after only 2 days is really annoying. Please community help or I buy an iPhone ! :-) From omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org Mon Feb 15 11:01:27 2010 From: omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org (omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:01:27 +0100 Subject: elm_browser initial release In-Reply-To: <1266227356.4693.20.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com> <1266114362660-4568782.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100214093626.1d79cce8@vanek.robe.cz> <201002141139.18416.neo@el-hennig.de> <20100214115029.96f1bab1.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> <1266227356.4693.20.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> Message-ID: <20100215110127.50378b9b.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:49:16 +0100 Patryk Benderz wrote: > [cut] > > Not everyone uses the card all the time, so ~/Downloads would be > > better. You can symlink that to whatever you wish (like it used to be > > in TangoGPS). > Symlink is a good idea - I use it since "ages" but wouldn't ~/Maps > folder fit better for this? Sorry, I didn't make it clear: ~/Maps works for TangoGPS, ~/Download would work for files downloaded with Ventura. Cheers, rhn From jahckal at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 11:02:09 2010 From: jahckal at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?TWFyY2luIMSGd2lrxYJh?=) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:02:09 +0100 Subject: elm_browser initial release In-Reply-To: <1266114362660-4568782.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100213124051.3e79ec16@vanek.robe.cz> <1266114362660-4568782.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: 2010/2/14 c_c > > Petr Vanek wrote: > > > > - preconfigured to handle https > > > Hmm, I could add the /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt to the ipk for > now. What do you think? > > And what about entering https:// urls? I think it is imposible now because http:// is default in URL option. -- jahckal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100215/0bc47710/attachment.htm From perezdiez at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 11:21:23 2010 From: perezdiez at gmail.com (Jose Luis Perez Diez) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:21:23 +0100 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] qi-bootmenu-0.1 for GTA02 In-Reply-To: <20100213132541.GA32035@debbook.brain-dump.org> References: <20100213132541.GA32035@debbook.brain-dump.org> Message-ID: <201002151121.24396.perezdiez@gmail.com> A Dissabte, 13 de de febrer de 2010 14:25:41, Marc Andre Tanner va escriure: > Hi, > > I finally found the time to package up my current state of things which > works ok here at least for GTA02. Kernel + Qi can be downloaded from: > > http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/qi-bootmenu/ > > It would be nice if the various distros out there could place their > kernels in /boot/uImage-$MACHINE.bin where $MACHINE is either GTA01 > or GTA02. This makes sure that they will be detected by qi-bootmenu. > You can optionally also place a logo in /boot/bootlogo.png which > will be displayed along the partition name. I found it nice but i sugest that it search for other images names & tipes (zImage). I've tested it on sd in an ext3 partition (on the first boot sees 2 sd partitions with bootable images ( itself & shr-u) booting itself gives a menu with just one option ( poweroff ) booting shr-u that boots fine with Qi gives me a kernel panic loop (it looks like watchdog is restarting kernel) Booting it with nor u-boot from a fat partition on mmcblk0p1 recognizes my shr-u install on mmcblk0p2 and boots ok ( also I seem to no get WSD) From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Mon Feb 15 12:31:16 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:31:16 +0200 Subject: Tracking power leackage in my freerunner In-Reply-To: <20100215100057.GA11105@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> (rixed@happyleptic.org's message of "Mon\, 15 Feb 2010 11\:00\:58 +0100") References: <20100127104023.GB4645@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <4B602670.9060000@gmx.net> <20100127125229.GC4645@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100129065331.GA1749@yeeloong> <20100215100057.GA11105@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> Message-ID: <84vddyka63.fsf@sauna.l.org> rixed at happyleptic.org writes: > Ruling out mis-measurment for now, apart from GPS abnd bluetooth do you > know of some chip that could draw so much current ? How much does it consume if you turn GSM off? Should be ~3 mA. From psonek2 at seznam.cz Mon Feb 15 14:03:45 2010 From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:03:45 +0100 Subject: [qtmoko] New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner In-Reply-To: <1266058154363-4565706.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1263198892150-4284388.post@n2.nabble.com> <1265985291.4693.8.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <1266058154363-4565706.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <201002151403.45771.psonek2@seznam.cz> On Saturday 13 February 2010 11:49:14 ghislain wrote: > I think the slowness of the graphics can be explained by not having the > kernel-modules installed. The slowness is more likely because SHR runs on top of X while QtMoko draws directly to framebuffer. Regards Radek From rixed at happyleptic.org Mon Feb 15 14:13:05 2010 From: rixed at happyleptic.org (rixed at happyleptic.org) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:13:05 +0100 Subject: Tracking power leackage in my freerunner In-Reply-To: <84vddyka63.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <20100127104023.GB4645@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <4B602670.9060000@gmx.net> <20100127125229.GC4645@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100129065331.GA1749@yeeloong> <20100215100057.GA11105@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <84vddyka63.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <20100215131305.GD11105@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> -[ Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 01:31:16PM +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors ]---- > rixed at happyleptic.org writes: > > Ruling out mis-measurment for now, apart from GPS abnd bluetooth do you > > know of some chip that could draw so much current ? > > How much does it consume if you turn GSM off? Will check. What's the surest way to turn it of, bypassing the distribution ? From info at apertum.it Mon Feb 15 14:22:14 2010 From: info at apertum.it (-= Apertum =-) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:22:14 +0100 Subject: QtMoko v19 In-Reply-To: <20607da11002071538rc84a872k80dda93dcc0013bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> <14654_1265379506_1265379506_bc2d57b41002050617n105bcc1agd96a21544240cf5b@mail.gmail.com> <1265383268.9937.1.camel@localhost> <20607da11002071538rc84a872k80dda93dcc0013bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B794A86.7060607@apertum.it> * Denis Johnson wrote, Il 08/02/2010 00:38: >>> If I use the nodebug kernel I can't boot with qi (I use qi installed >>> by qtmoko v16d installer). It just vibrates once and flashes the red >>> led but doesn't start to boot. But it does boot if I boot it with >>> u-boot from NOR. >>> >>> But with the debug kernel it boots with qi. >>> >> Can confirm this with qi as well. qtmoko installed on uSD. Anyone know >> how can I see the error/provide a log? >> > > I can also confirm this, so I am currently running the normal kernel. > > I have also noticed that this image + kernel frequently shows > "searching for network" > > I confirm too these problem with Qtmoko-19 (but with the faster kernel). I can't boot with qi directly, i have to use NOR menu. And sometime when i boot it starts qtopia normally, but it seems freezing or not completing the load, and i have to restart qtopia manually 2 o 3 times to have it work properly. And me too i have a lot of problem with the "searching network" on Gsm registration, very problematic to use Qtmoko as a daily phone. Rather then that: the FR now it's REALLY FAST with the interface! I like this incredible improvement in velocity, it's huge. Now when i press a icon it's superfast to load too. It remains the problem with qi-boot and the GSM registration, that is really problematic. 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URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100215/e243dbdd/attachment.htm From psonek2 at seznam.cz Mon Feb 15 14:57:12 2010 From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:57:12 +0100 Subject: QtMoko v19 In-Reply-To: <4B794A86.7060607@apertum.it> References: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> <20607da11002071538rc84a872k80dda93dcc0013bc@mail.gmail.com> <4B794A86.7060607@apertum.it> Message-ID: <201002151457.12506.psonek2@seznam.cz> On Monday 15 February 2010 14:22:14 -= Apertum =- wrote: > I confirm too these problem with Qtmoko-19 (but with the faster kernel). > > I can't boot with qi directly, i have to use NOR menu. > And sometime when i boot it starts qtopia normally, but it seems > freezing or not completing the load, and i have to restart qtopia > manually 2 o 3 times to have it work properly. > I can try to play a bit more with the config. Maybe we can find something with same speed and less buggy. I was hoping to have 2.6.32 kernel, which is fast and stable. But currently for me does not wake from suspend on incoming call and getting somehow trashed touchscreen input in X (both xglamo and Xorg with tslib input). I didnt have much time to explore it yet. Regards Radek From bt4 at york.ac.uk Mon Feb 15 15:22:37 2010 From: bt4 at york.ac.uk (Ben Thompson) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:22:37 +0000 Subject: Problems with NWA Message-ID: <20100215142237.GE4782@york.ac.uk> Hi I recently installed NWA on latest SHR-U and it fails to start up with the following error :- "Fatal Error: Cannot parse configuration file error occurred while parsing element on line 1, column 1" I checked that /usr/share/nwa/defaultconfiguration.xml exists and it looks fine to me :- root at om-gta02 /usr/share/nwa $ cat defaultconfiguration.xml Can anyone help? Thanks Ben From dscaini at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 15:34:28 2010 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:34:28 +0100 Subject: Problems with NWA In-Reply-To: <20100215142237.GE4782@york.ac.uk> References: <20100215142237.GE4782@york.ac.uk> Message-ID: <18db98c81002150634s55d13aebpd846e08e3ba5d94e@mail.gmail.com> yes.. you have to use qt libs from noko repos dalle libqt* 4.4.3-r3 (while in shr repos you find 4.6.0-r14.1.4). It's a problem in cflgs when compiling qts on shr... nicola (the developer of nwa) is aware of this, and shr guys I think too... d On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Ben Thompson wrote: > Hi > > I recently installed NWA on latest SHR-U and it fails to start up with > the following error :- > > "Fatal Error: Cannot parse configuration file error occurred while > parsing element on line 1, column 1" > > I checked that /usr/share/nwa/defaultconfiguration.xml exists and it > looks fine to me :- > > > > root at om-gta02 /usr/share/nwa $ cat defaultconfiguration.xml > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upscript="" downscript=""/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone help? > > Thanks > > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100215/bd3c03a2/attachment-0001.htm From bt4 at york.ac.uk Mon Feb 15 16:12:57 2010 From: bt4 at york.ac.uk (Ben Thompson) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:12:57 +0000 Subject: Problems with NWA In-Reply-To: <18db98c81002150634s55d13aebpd846e08e3ba5d94e@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100215142237.GE4782@york.ac.uk> <18db98c81002150634s55d13aebpd846e08e3ba5d94e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100215151257.GF4782@york.ac.uk> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 03:34:28PM +0100, Davide Scaini wrote: > yes.. > you have to use qt libs from noko repos dalle libqt* 4.4.3-r3 (while in shr > repos you find 4.6.0-r14.1.4). > It's a problem in cflgs when compiling qts on shr... nicola (the developer of > nwa) is aware of this, and shr guys I think too... > d Thanks for the info. I hope Nicola and/or the SHR people can resolve this. From dscaini at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 16:19:23 2010 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:19:23 +0100 Subject: Problems with NWA In-Reply-To: <20100215151257.GF4782@york.ac.uk> References: <20100215142237.GE4782@york.ac.uk> <18db98c81002150634s55d13aebpd846e08e3ba5d94e@mail.gmail.com> <20100215151257.GF4782@york.ac.uk> Message-ID: <18db98c81002150719n5ff93391x7c3ad2207c4bdbb4@mail.gmail.com> Just to share my experience: - i made i /etc/opkg folder with only arch.conf and noko-feed - removed alla qt libs - opkg update and installed nwa -restored standard opkg folder and when i upgrade i upgrade all except qt libs... this is the "only" (?) way of having nwa working on shr atm. For me it works d On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Ben Thompson wrote: > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 03:34:28PM +0100, Davide Scaini wrote: > > yes.. > > you have to use qt libs from noko repos dalle libqt* 4.4.3-r3 (while in > shr > > repos you find 4.6.0-r14.1.4). > > It's a problem in cflgs when compiling qts on shr... nicola (the > developer of > > nwa) is aware of this, and shr guys I think too... > > d > > Thanks for the info. I hope Nicola and/or the SHR people can resolve this. > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100215/d7378d0b/attachment.htm From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Mon Feb 15 18:23:14 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:23:14 +0200 Subject: Tracking power leackage in my freerunner In-Reply-To: <20100215131305.GD11105@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> (rixed@happyleptic.org's message of "Mon\, 15 Feb 2010 14\:13\:05 +0100") References: <20100127104023.GB4645@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <4B602670.9060000@gmx.net> <20100127125229.GC4645@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100129065331.GA1749@yeeloong> <20100215100057.GA11105@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <84vddyka63.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20100215131305.GD11105@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> Message-ID: <84r5omjtvh.fsf@sauna.l.org> rixed at happyleptic.org writes: > What's the surest way to turn it of, bypassing the distribution ? I use "om gsm power 0" with omhacks in debian. It uses /sys files that depend on the kernel version you have, I do not remember them by heart unfortunately since I use the shorter command. From neiljerram at googlemail.com Mon Feb 15 19:01:23 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:01:23 +0000 Subject: Problems with NWA In-Reply-To: <20100215142237.GE4782@york.ac.uk> References: <20100215142237.GE4782@york.ac.uk> Message-ID: <49dd78621002151001s2600fbc1jc4a57965ec2a6e4d@mail.gmail.com> On 15 February 2010 14:22, Ben Thompson wrote: > Hi > > I recently installed NWA on latest SHR-U and it fails to start up with > the following error :- > > "Fatal Error: Cannot parse configuration file error occurred while > parsing element on line 1, column 1" [...] > root at om-gta02 /usr/share/nwa $ cat defaultconfiguration.xml > XML files should begin like this: Your .xml file is missing the question marks. Neil From rixed at happyleptic.org Mon Feb 15 19:20:37 2010 From: rixed at happyleptic.org (rixed at happyleptic.org) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:20:37 +0100 Subject: Tracking power leackage in my freerunner In-Reply-To: <84vddyka63.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <20100127104023.GB4645@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <4B602670.9060000@gmx.net> <20100127125229.GC4645@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100129065331.GA1749@yeeloong> <20100215100057.GA11105@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <84vddyka63.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <20100215182037.GA1641@yeeloong> -[ Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 01:31:16PM +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors ]---- > rixed at happyleptic.org writes: > > Ruling out mis-measurment for now, apart from GPS abnd bluetooth do you > > know of some chip that could draw so much current ? > > How much does it consume if you turn GSM off? Turning it off using H1settings, I got 19.8mA (instead of 23.0mA). > Should be ~3 mA. Ouch ! Do you think usb could be the source of power consumption (nothing is plugged in of course) ? Or maybe SD card reader ? From rms at 1407.org Mon Feb 15 19:33:56 2010 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:33:56 +0000 Subject: [qtmoko] New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner In-Reply-To: <201002151403.45771.psonek2@seznam.cz> References: <1263198892150-4284388.post@n2.nabble.com> <1265985291.4693.8.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <1266058154363-4565706.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002151403.45771.psonek2@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <4B799394.1050207@1407.org> Em 15-02-2010 13:03, Radek Polak escreveu: >> I think the slowness of the graphics can be explained by not having the >> kernel-modules installed. > > The slowness is more likely because SHR runs on top of X while QtMoko draws > directly to framebuffer. A framebuffer device is usually slower than a native driver under X. My Freerunner's UI performance definitely felt a bit faster after moving to the native driver. I also noticed this in my SmartQ7 after moving from the framebuffer to a native driver. The slowness of the graphics is better explained by the brain deadness of the hardware. Now... Qt from framebuffer devices is very highly optimized, so it may be a bit faster than other Windows managers, but it also does a lot less (like not being exactly a window manager). Rui From dscaini at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 20:26:43 2010 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:26:43 +0100 Subject: Jefliks Jabber-Client release In-Reply-To: <5f6db60d1002141452k7d2b4529g8dd9e89982462fb6@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e7398031002141246x64fb56c3y942fb3c718e4fd52@mail.gmail.com> <5f6db60d1002141452k7d2b4529g8dd9e89982462fb6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18db98c81002151126t758d8cbepece2de6ebf98a13b@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:52 PM, Steven Le Roux wrote: > w00t !!! really great ! many thx ! I will try it asap > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Richy wrote: > >> On opkg jefliks was just posted. >> >> afaik it is the fastest JabberClient out there. (And the only one I know >> that is based on EFL) >> >> http://www.opkg.org/package_331.html >> >> Enjoy >> 668c16bc69 >> 668c16bc69 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > > > -- > Steven Le Roux > Jabber-ID : Steven at jabber.fr > 0x39494CCB > 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > mmm... how do i configure for example my gmail account? d -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100215/97ef0a58/attachment.htm From risto at kurppa.fi Mon Feb 15 20:47:38 2010 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:47:38 +0200 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: <1266217776277-4573240.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <84k4uje716.fsf@sauna.l.org> <1266010636118-4563699.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002131447.25853.sander@3v8.net> <1266172659155-4571148.post@n2.nabble.com> <9e7398031002142252ja1a2d3dka2e35e5b96da4ee9@mail.gmail.com> <1266217776277-4573240.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Wow, took hours but I was finally able to generate first the border file and then the map of Finland. The GUI was a nice surprise, wow, very nice (all icons are not very intuitive, though). When trying to route, I wasn't able to find all cities - for example the capital, Helsinki, wasn't available. Continuing to type it's name, mcnavi crashed: *** glibc detected *** mcnavi: free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x0022a528 *** Aborted Keep us updated on new version, this looks good! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Mon Feb 15 20:55:35 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:55:35 +0200 Subject: Tracking power leackage in my freerunner In-Reply-To: <20100215182037.GA1641@yeeloong> (rixed@happyleptic.org's message of "Mon\, 15 Feb 2010 19\:20\:37 +0100") References: <20100127104023.GB4645@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <4B602670.9060000@gmx.net> <20100127125229.GC4645@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100129065331.GA1749@yeeloong> <20100215100057.GA11105@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <84vddyka63.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20100215182037.GA1641@yeeloong> Message-ID: <84mxzajmtk.fsf@sauna.l.org> rixed at happyleptic.org writes: > Do you think usb could be the source of power consumption (nothing > is plugged in of course) ? Or maybe SD card reader ? Remove SD card and SIM card and see? From klemmster at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 21:03:12 2010 From: klemmster at gmail.com (Richy) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:03:12 +0100 Subject: Jefliks Jabber-Client release In-Reply-To: <18db98c81002151126t758d8cbepece2de6ebf98a13b@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e7398031002141246x64fb56c3y942fb3c718e4fd52@mail.gmail.com> <5f6db60d1002141452k7d2b4529g8dd9e89982462fb6@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c81002151126t758d8cbepece2de6ebf98a13b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9e7398031002151203y601f1b38xabbc8a7cf831adbc@mail.gmail.com> Hello Davide, http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8206/jeflikstutshort.png First, click on Actions --> Settings your JID/Ressource would be dscaini at gmail.com/Freerunner You can replace Freerunner with whatever you like. Just make sure that, if you have multiple devices to login to your account, they need a different ressource. your Password next, don't know this one ;) The options should work, I haven't tried gmail yet. Next, hit save and close At last, click on status and online. I saw "..." where status used to be and after a few seconds, it connected. Hope that helps > mmm... > how do i configure for example my gmail account? > d > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100215/95f8d0b3/attachment.htm From risto at kurppa.fi Mon Feb 15 21:13:36 2010 From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:13:36 +0200 Subject: Jefliks Jabber-Client release In-Reply-To: <9e7398031002151203y601f1b38xabbc8a7cf831adbc@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e7398031002141246x64fb56c3y942fb3c718e4fd52@mail.gmail.com> <5f6db60d1002141452k7d2b4529g8dd9e89982462fb6@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c81002151126t758d8cbepece2de6ebf98a13b@mail.gmail.com> <9e7398031002151203y601f1b38xabbc8a7cf831adbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I tried to configure Facebook-jabber here: JID: user.name at chat.facebook.com/Freerunner password: mysecretpassword server: chat.facebook.com:5222 no tls, no plain, no sasl, no anonymous gives me authorization failed. Anyone else more successful? ps. this truly seems to be fast, very nice. Multi-account support would be great. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi From yorickmoko at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 09:27:06 2010 From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:27:06 +0100 Subject: tangoGPS 0.99.3 is out In-Reply-To: <20100214165329.25cdbcfa@acer> References: <20100214165329.25cdbcfa@acer> Message-ID: <26fea52c1002160027k4eb04374p260aaf79ad6058aa@mail.gmail.com> great! looking forward to trying this out y On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Marcus Bauer wrote: > > Hi, > > tangoGPS is out with lots of speed improvements and a lot less of CPU > usage. > > Moreover the speed display is now set in pixels and no longer in > points - especially on SHR that should result in lot smaller digits. > (not configurable yet). > > > Enjoy, > > Marcus > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100216/9ef575d9/attachment.htm From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Tue Feb 16 09:46:03 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:46:03 +0200 Subject: OpenMoko Developer required In-Reply-To: <4cbeeafb1002151311h72f91ce6j1547badb9b6f1a29@mail.gmail.com> (David Morris's message of "Mon\, 15 Feb 2010 21\:11\:08 +0000") References: <4cbeeafb1002151311h72f91ce6j1547badb9b6f1a29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84iq9xk1pw.fsf@sauna.l.org> David Morris writes: > I've recently discovered OpenMoko and Freerunner and am looking for > freelance developers to customise the OS for specific requirements. If you Which "the OS" are you talking about? > Primarily I want to have the handset able to retrieve SIM details over > TCP/IP from a SIM bank rather than from a local SIM to the handset and for > the handset to act as a remote slave for a WAN. This would mean having to > somehow intercept and replace the SIM details that the GSM chip reads from > the internal SIM storage area and instead pull this over the wireless > connection or USB network connection instead. My guess is that this is not possible. We do not have source code to the part that talks to the SIM card. From spaar at openmoko.org Tue Feb 16 10:52:52 2010 From: spaar at openmoko.org (Dieter Spaar) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:52:52 +0100 Subject: OpenMoko Developer required In-Reply-To: <84iq9xk1pw.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <4cbeeafb1002151311h72f91ce6j1547badb9b6f1a29@mail.gmail.com> <84iq9xk1pw.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <4B7A6AF4.2070307@openmoko.org> Hello Timo, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > My guess is that this is not possible. We do not have source code to > the part that talks to the SIM card. > Those who are/were under NDA with Openmoko have access to the GSM firmware source code (at least the small part which was delivered by TI). Intercepting and simulation SIM access is possible, however the biggest problem is that you usually don't know the A3/A8 algorithm and the Ki inside the SIM. Those are needed whenever the phone has to authenticate to the GSM network. You can't extract them from current SIM cards so you are not able to authenticate to the GSM network without having access to the "real" SIM. Best regards, Dieter From thomas.hocedez at free.fr Tue Feb 16 14:01:53 2010 From: thomas.hocedez at free.fr (Thomas HOCEDEZ) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:01:53 +0100 Subject: [SHRu] Stuck @ language screen aka Contest of the day. Message-ID: <4B7A9741.1080601@free.fr> Hi mokists, here's a "challenge of the day contest" : I just reflashed SHRu (feb 15). And I was surprised to see a touch-calibration utility at really startup ! Nice idea. But only problem : I touch my screen anywhere by mistake.... My calibration was validated ! now, I can't click on the "Egnlish" language button... And by SSH, as I didn't set my password, I cannot reset anything. I know I can reflash, but I don't want to. (I don't like easy things). If someone knows how to connect SSH or relauch the calibration utility I will send an "openmoko-fr" sticker. -- AstHrO - openmoko-fr.org From vfebvre at easter-eggs.com Tue Feb 16 14:07:42 2010 From: vfebvre at easter-eggs.com (Valery Febvre) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:07:42 +0100 Subject: [SHRu] Stuck @ language screen aka Contest of the day. In-Reply-To: <4B7A9741.1080601@free.fr> References: <4B7A9741.1080601@free.fr> Message-ID: <4B7A989E.2090303@easter-eggs.com> Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: > Hi mokists, here's a "challenge of the day contest" : > > I just reflashed SHRu (feb 15). And I was surprised to see a > touch-calibration utility at really startup ! Nice idea. But only > problem : I touch my screen anywhere by mistake.... My calibration was > validated ! now, I can't click on the "Egnlish" language button... And > by SSH, as I didn't set my password, I cannot reset anything. > > I know I can reflash, but I don't want to. (I don't like easy things). > > If someone knows how to connect SSH or relauch the calibration utility > I will send an "openmoko-fr" sticker. > DISPLAY=:0.0 xinput_calibrator -- Val?ry From neo at el-hennig.de Tue Feb 16 14:10:07 2010 From: neo at el-hennig.de (neo at el-hennig.de) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:10:07 +0100 (MET) Subject: [SHRu] Stuck @ language screen aka Contest of the day. Message-ID: <201002161310.o1GDA7fo009100@post.webmailer.de> > If someone knows how to connect SSH or relauch the calibration utility > I will send an "openmoko-fr" sticker. Can you try to run DISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/xinput_calibrator from your ssh shell? From vfebvre at easter-eggs.com Tue Feb 16 14:13:33 2010 From: vfebvre at easter-eggs.com (Valery Febvre) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:13:33 +0100 Subject: [SHRu] Stuck @ language screen aka Contest of the day. In-Reply-To: <4B7A989E.2090303@easter-eggs.com> References: <4B7A9741.1080601@free.fr> <4B7A989E.2090303@easter-eggs.com> Message-ID: <4B7A99FD.5000901@easter-eggs.com> Valery Febvre wrote: > Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: >> Hi mokists, here's a "challenge of the day contest" : >> >> I just reflashed SHRu (feb 15). And I was surprised to see a >> touch-calibration utility at really startup ! Nice idea. But only >> problem : I touch my screen anywhere by mistake.... My calibration was >> validated ! now, I can't click on the "Egnlish" language button... And >> by SSH, as I didn't set my password, I cannot reset anything. >> >> I know I can reflash, but I don't want to. (I don't like easy things). >> >> If someone knows how to connect SSH or relauch the calibration utility >> I will send an "openmoko-fr" sticker. >> > > DISPLAY=:0.0 xinput_calibrator After, it may be necessary to: $ /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop $ /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm start -- Val?ry From neo at el-hennig.de Tue Feb 16 14:13:54 2010 From: neo at el-hennig.de (neo at el-hennig.de) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:13:54 +0100 (MET) Subject: [SHRu] Stuck @ language screen aka Contest of the day. Message-ID: <201002161313.o1GDDsQm029144@post.webmailer.de> > > If someone knows how to connect SSH or relauch the calibration utility > > I will send an "openmoko-fr" sticker. > > Can you try to run > > DISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/xinput_calibrator > > from your ssh shell? you can also remove /etc/pointercal.xinput and reboot. From martin.jansa at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 14:14:22 2010 From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:14:22 +0100 Subject: [SHRu] Stuck @ language screen aka Contest of the day. In-Reply-To: <4B7A9741.1080601@free.fr> References: <4B7A9741.1080601@free.fr> Message-ID: <20100216131422.GD3233@jama> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 02:01:53PM +0100, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: > Hi mokists, here's a "challenge of the day contest" : > > I just reflashed SHRu (feb 15). And I was surprised to see a > touch-calibration utility at really startup ! Nice idea. But only > problem : I touch my screen anywhere by mistake.... My calibration was > validated ! now, I can't click on the "Egnlish" language button... And > by SSH, as I didn't set my password, I cannot reset anything. > > I know I can reflash, but I don't want to. (I don't like easy things). > > If someone knows how to connect SSH or relauch the calibration utility > I will send an "openmoko-fr" sticker. > > -- > AstHrO - openmoko-fr.org I've already asked author of xinput-calibratior utility for confirmation dialog after calibration.. he said that he will check that soon. Sorry for a bit difficult sollution, see my e-mail here: http://www.mail-archive.com/shr-devel at lists.shr-project.org/msg01868.html If you cannot SSH (empty password should be allowed again in new images - partially because of this issue), then you can remove that file from 2nd distribution on uSD or on your PC if you have problem with image installed on uSD. Regards, -- uin:136542059 jid:Martin.Jansa at gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jamasip at voip.wengo.fr JaMa From martin.jansa at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 14:16:21 2010 From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:16:21 +0100 Subject: [SHRu] Stuck @ language screen aka Contest of the day. In-Reply-To: <4B7A99FD.5000901@easter-eggs.com> References: <4B7A9741.1080601@free.fr> <4B7A989E.2090303@easter-eggs.com> <4B7A99FD.5000901@easter-eggs.com> Message-ID: <20100216131621.GE3233@jama> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 02:13:33PM +0100, Valery Febvre wrote: > Valery Febvre wrote: > > Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: > >> Hi mokists, here's a "challenge of the day contest" : > >> > >> I just reflashed SHRu (feb 15). And I was surprised to see a > >> touch-calibration utility at really startup ! Nice idea. But only > >> problem : I touch my screen anywhere by mistake.... My calibration was > >> validated ! now, I can't click on the "Egnlish" language button... And > >> by SSH, as I didn't set my password, I cannot reset anything. > >> > >> I know I can reflash, but I don't want to. (I don't like easy things). > >> > >> If someone knows how to connect SSH or relauch the calibration utility > >> I will send an "openmoko-fr" sticker. > >> > > > > DISPLAY=:0.0 xinput_calibrator > > After, it may be necessary to: > > $ /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop > $ /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm start No this is not enough.. with /etc/pointercal.xinput file it will always use the wrong values stored there. You have to remove /etc/pointercal.xinput first and then restart xserver-nodm. Regards, -- uin:136542059 jid:Martin.Jansa at gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jamasip at voip.wengo.fr JaMa From info at apertum.it Tue Feb 16 15:41:33 2010 From: info at apertum.it (-= Apertum =-) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:41:33 +0100 Subject: QtMoko v19 In-Reply-To: <201002151457.12506.psonek2@seznam.cz> References: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> <20607da11002071538rc84a872k80dda93dcc0013bc@mail.gmail.com> <4B794A86.7060607@apertum.it> <201002151457.12506.psonek2@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <4B7AAE9D.8000907@apertum.it> * Radek Polak wrote, Il 15/02/2010 14:57: > I can try to play a bit more with the config. Maybe we can find > something with > same speed and less buggy. I was hoping to have 2.6.32 kernel, which is fast > and stable. But currently for me does not wake from suspend on incoming call > and getting somehow trashed touchscreen input in X (both xglamo and Xorg with > tslib input). I didnt have much time to explore it yet. > > No problem Radek, and thanks anyway for your super effort :-) I'm not a programmer so i cannot resolve my self these kinds of problem. But i hope someone will do ;-) I can help as beta-tester, or helping on documentation, not more. I think that the community behind QtMoko now it's not so tiny, but we need a method to concentrate better our efforts. IE: on the site it must be some places to easily report bugs, problems or feedback by users, to help testing (and betatesting) fo this (great) distribution. Something like a bug tracker, answer for users, and so on, more over wiki. Maybe we can open it on launchpad ? It's there a stable main developer group behind QtMoko or is only a onemanwork? -- Andrea From yorickmoko at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 15:42:13 2010 From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:42:13 +0100 Subject: tangogps google satellite url Message-ID: <26fea52c1002160642p3e5e578cy493559b18cb62fb6@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I'm a happy tangogps user, but it seems like google changed their satellite url once again. for google maps I use http://mt0.google.com/vt/v=w2.97&hl=nl&x=%d&y=%d&z=%d&s=G and this one still works could someone be so kind to give me the correct url for the satellite images? (for testing purposes only of course) Kind regards, y -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It was quite hard to install it with GUI ,actually only adding th the sources and apt-get update could be used to install it... Can you also supply a clear all msg button? Juergen From neo at el-hennig.de Tue Feb 16 15:33:27 2010 From: neo at el-hennig.de (neo at el-hennig.de) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:33:27 +0100 (MET) Subject: [SHRu] Stuck @ language screen aka Contest of the day. Message-ID: <201002161433.o1GEXRuN010631@post.webmailer.de> > Last brick to find : how to SSH my FR ! Probably the only way not to install shr again, would be to boot from sd card and remove the file /etc/pointercal.xinput in the flash partition from that system. From Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl Tue Feb 16 15:54:53 2010 From: Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl (Patryk Benderz) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:54:53 +0100 Subject: QtMoko v19 In-Reply-To: <4B7AAE9D.8000907@apertum.it> References: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> <20607da11002071538rc84a872k80dda93dcc0013bc@mail.gmail.com> <4B794A86.7060607@apertum.it> <201002151457.12506.psonek2@seznam.cz> <4B7AAE9D.8000907@apertum.it> Message-ID: <1266332093.4693.125.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> [cut] > But i hope someone will do ;-) I can help as beta-tester, or helping on > documentation, not more. Lets strike while the iron is hot! QtMoko's wiki [1] probably needs attention, also there is not a single mention about this distro in Distributions page [2]! If you really want to help you can start here. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QtMoko [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions -- Patryk "LeadMan" Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point From psonek2 at seznam.cz Tue Feb 16 15:48:49 2010 From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:48:49 +0100 Subject: [qtmoko] New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner In-Reply-To: <4B799394.1050207@1407.org> References: <1263198892150-4284388.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002151403.45771.psonek2@seznam.cz> <4B799394.1050207@1407.org> Message-ID: <201002161548.49110.psonek2@seznam.cz> On Monday 15 February 2010 19:33:56 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > A framebuffer device is usually slower than a native driver under X. > > My Freerunner's UI performance definitely felt a bit faster after moving > to the native driver. My point is that X server probably kills the performance here. You can try compile Qtopia on top of X and you will see the difference. > The slowness of the graphics is better explained by the brain deadness > of the hardware. I think that this is very unfortunate explanation. To me it looks like somebody said that freerunner's graphics sucks and there is no way it will ever be faster and it was taken as a fact. Now i just change a few kernel config options and few line patch (thanks to Thomas White) and the graphics speed is very nice. In QVGA it can probably match iPhone or any Android device. Sorry, i dont like to hear that it sucks. It could be probably good enough as any other phone. Regards Radek From marcus.bauer at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 16:11:35 2010 From: marcus.bauer at gmail.com (Marcus Bauer) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:11:35 +0100 Subject: tangogps google satellite url In-Reply-To: <26fea52c1002160642p3e5e578cy493559b18cb62fb6@mail.gmail.com> References: <26fea52c1002160642p3e5e578cy493559b18cb62fb6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100216161135.70094dba@acer> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:42:13 +0100 Yorick Moko wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm a happy tangogps user, but it seems like google changed their > satellite url once again. > for google maps I use > http://mt0.google.com/vt/v=w2.97&hl=nl&x=%d&y=%d&z=%d&s=G > and this one still works > > could someone be so kind to give me the correct url for the satellite > images? > (for testing purposes only of course) you can use firebug to easily figure out the url of an image. usually only the version number changes. a quick check reveals that it is now at v=55. if you keep older version numbers, the servers will refuse the request. marcus From fabian.schoelzel at googlemail.com Tue Feb 16 16:12:02 2010 From: fabian.schoelzel at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fabian_Sch=F6lzel?=) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:12:02 +0100 Subject: [qtmoko] New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner In-Reply-To: <201002161548.49110.psonek2@seznam.cz> References: <1263198892150-4284388.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002151403.45771.psonek2@seznam.cz> <4B799394.1050207@1407.org> <201002161548.49110.psonek2@seznam.cz> Message-ID: 2010/2/16 Radek Polak : > I think that this is very unfortunate explanation. To me it looks like > somebody said that freerunner's graphics sucks and there is no way it will > ever be faster and it was taken as a fact. I'm no hardware guru, but if i remember it correctly, it was the fact, that the processor and the graphics chip can't access the RAM at the same time. Both of them lock the channel to the RAM, so they block each other. To make things worse, the uSD card is connected with the same channel. Please correct me, if i'm wrong. Cheers, Fabian From info at apertum.it Tue Feb 16 16:17:55 2010 From: info at apertum.it (-= Apertum =-) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:17:55 +0100 Subject: [qtmoko] New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner In-Reply-To: <201002161548.49110.psonek2@seznam.cz> References: <1263198892150-4284388.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002151403.45771.psonek2@seznam.cz> <4B799394.1050207@1407.org> <201002161548.49110.psonek2@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <4B7AB723.1040908@apertum.it> * Radek Polak wrote, Il 16/02/2010 15:48: > Now i just change a few kernel config options and few line patch > (thanks to > Thomas White) and the graphics speed is very nice. In QVGA it can probably > match iPhone or any Android device. > I totally agree Radek's words, and in my experience the GUI in QtMoko 19 with the new kernel, it's fast like any other smartphone. _Really_ _fast_, now. So the myth of slowness of the FR, it's now a legend, because QtMoko now has a GUI with a speed absolutely comparable with any other commercial phone. These are facts. -- Andrea From david at garabana.com Tue Feb 16 16:19:08 2010 From: david at garabana.com (David Garabana Barro) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:19:08 +0100 Subject: [qtmoko] New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner In-Reply-To: <201002161548.49110.psonek2@seznam.cz> References: <1263198892150-4284388.post@n2.nabble.com> <4B799394.1050207@1407.org> <201002161548.49110.psonek2@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <201002161619.11058.david@garabana.com> On Tuesday 16 February 2010 15:48:49 Radek Polak wrote: > On Monday 15 February 2010 19:33:56 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > I think that this is very unfortunate explanation. To me it looks like > somebody said that freerunner's graphics sucks and there is no way it will > ever be faster and it was taken as a fact. Graphics performance is better of what it seemed could be archieved at the beggining, but Glamo's bus slowness is not something "someone said", it's a fact. Also, qtopia (qtextended, qtmoko) do a lot less effects on graphics than enlightment, that's why it's faster. If you turn off shadows, transparency, etc, you can get shr graphics as fast as qtopia. If you don't believe me, you can try SHR's Neo Theme. You will see it's not X, but eyecandy what makes SHR slower than qtopia. You can search lists archives for several threads about this matter, it was spoken to death. >Now i just change a few kernel config options and few line patch (thanks to >Thomas White) and the graphics speed is very nice. In QVGA it can probably >match iPhone or any Android device. No, it can't, at least until we have an OpenGL driver. But it's true that using VGA resolution is a handicap for such a slow graphics chip, and it would be better QVGA for this hardware. Fact is that glamo is a graphics "decelerator". It's known that Neo1973 was faster than FreeRunner on graphics (even on VGA), despite of slower processor. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100216/386b44a0/attachment.pgp From marcus.bauer at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 16:31:21 2010 From: marcus.bauer at gmail.com (Marcus Bauer) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:31:21 +0100 Subject: tangoGPS 0.99.3 is out In-Reply-To: <4B7AAF30.8040708@homie.homelinux.net> References: <20100214165329.25cdbcfa@acer> <4B7AAF30.8040708@homie.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <20100216163121.0d81e473@acer> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:44:00 +0000 Juergen Schinker wrote: > awesome work! can you supply also the pkg for hackable:1 please. Afaik David 'Deubeuliou' is already working on it and it should be apt-get installable in the next two or three days. > Can you also supply a clear all msg button? Yes, there is definitely a need for a solution for this... Marcus From vlado at moko.ksp.sk Tue Feb 16 16:45:04 2010 From: vlado at moko.ksp.sk (Vladimir Koutny) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:45:04 +0100 Subject: [GTA02] VGA-QVGA switching - #2263 revisited Message-ID: <4B7ABD80.8070703@moko.ksp.sk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm trying to get VGA-QVGA switching/rotation to work - with mixed results.. Distro: recent SHR-t (using Xorg), xglamo-hack disabled during startup Commands I intend to use (ie, VGA portrait and QVGA landscape): xrandr -s 240x320 -o 3 xrandr -o 0 -s 480x640 I don't really care about specific kernel version - I just want it to run 'well' with SHR-t (this mode switching, suspend, maybe wifi; if I need to hack some changed sysfs paths that's OK) The best I can get is with default SHR-t kernel (which is andy-tracking); however, in this case bug #2263 is present (after res. change the image is shifted randomly on the screen, http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2263) I've tried a few more kernels: 2.6.31-no-drm: simple rotation corrupts the display or WSOD 2.6.32-no-drm: rotation in VGA works QVGA is mostly white #2263 is not present 2.6.3x-drm: QVGA/rotation not available (not via xrandr at least) latest 'experimental' kernel from http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/experimental (as mentioned in #2263): DRM -> no QVGA Thus, I'd like to ask if anyone know: - a solution that works? - a git revision which is supposed to fix #2263? - some background on #2263 so I can try to fix it in SHR kernel? I'm also fine with DRM kerels if they can somehow switch the modes/orientations; I didn't find a word how that should work, though. Thanks & regards, Vlado -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iJwEAQECAAYFAkt6vYAACgkQutgEj9ZLuzRCqwP/T13D/p1iwQB8TPtnODCmqTSb 1oqi7HdWDDy+4IFcq6Ucs6hJRcAzObWKByZTiolgh6HZNGUic3NvejIGMaFv6pTG Ltzdu+vUtFzVF1AZ81AMWU34GJDL/+yctbf+aZQYPkHuGwivJGCPT+megte9hRRW O1NoidWO0o5iMcfzZcc= =66hC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From taw at bitwiz.org.uk Tue Feb 16 16:49:30 2010 From: taw at bitwiz.org.uk (Thomas White) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:49:30 +0100 Subject: [qtmoko] New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner In-Reply-To: <201002161619.11058.david@garabana.com> References: <1263198892150-4284388.post@n2.nabble.com> <4B799394.1050207@1407.org> <201002161548.49110.psonek2@seznam.cz> <201002161619.11058.david@garabana.com> Message-ID: <20100216164930.d383665a.taw@bitwiz.org.uk> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:19:08 +0100 David Garabana Barro wrote: > >Now i just change a few kernel config options and few line patch (thanks to > >Thomas White) and the graphics speed is very nice. In QVGA it can probably > >match iPhone or any Android device. > > No, it can't, at least until we have an OpenGL driver. But it's true that using > VGA resolution is a handicap for such a slow graphics chip, and it would be > better QVGA for this hardware. A small point, but there are things we can do along the way to a full GL driver which speed things up, and I don't think we've found them all just yet. For instance, adding proper fencing in the DRM driver unclogs things by a fairly noticable amount: fullscreen (VGA) blits at 100fps with 0% CPU usage, anyone? > Fact is that glamo is a graphics "decelerator". It's known that Neo1973 was > faster than FreeRunner on graphics (even on VGA), despite of slower processor. Yes, the bus speed is a fundamental limitation, and it does suck. But there are other reasons (see below) why the current driver and rendering model is a bad match for the hardware. In fact, it's a bad match for almost all hardware, it's just that normally the overall speed is high enough to get away with it. We haven't yet allowed ourselves to make meaningful use of the acceleration features, and I'm absolutely convinced that if we did so then the GTA02's UI could fly along. It's a fact that to get to this state we're going to have to write a lot of hardware-specific code, and each developer who would potentially work on this stuff has to make their own decision about whether they want to do that for a GPU which won't be found elsewhere. Extract from http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-devel/2009-December/001702.html - see the thread for context. ---> If you're only talking about the X protocol overhead, then that's true - although I haven't yet seen any numbers... However, it's not the driver's fault. By the time (say) GTK's rendering instructions get to our driver (i.e. xf86-video-glamo), they've been turned into a series of tiny rectangle operations which are almost impossible to accelerate in any useful way. In this sense, the way X requires programs to send their rendering commands, and the way GTK/Cairo sends its commands, and the way the X server core communicates with the driver, are hurting us. Essentially, that's why E is so much faster: it prepares larger chunks of data at a higher level where acceleration can be much more meaningful, then sends them to the server in one big block. The price of this is that the acceleration done by the driver is hardly used in most cases, so we still don't get the best out of our hardware. A more fundamental redesign could potentially allow such pitfalls to be side-stepped, but this also comes at a price: Hardware-dependent code would end up existing at a higher level in the software [1], reducing the reusability of code. [1] In the extreme case, hardware-dependent code can be moved all the way up the the individual client program, abstracted by a library. This is what DRI does, in which case that abstraction library is usually Mesa, providing an OpenGL API. <--- My decision about this was simple: Since I enjoy the development work, it doesn't make any difference to me that the hardware will go away in time. Nothing is forever, and this is a perfect opportunity to learn about driver development on a relatively tame piece of hardware. I don't have any immediate plans for world domination [2].. Tom [2] ... or is that just what I want you to believe? Mwahahahaha... -- Thomas White From taw at bitwiz.org.uk Tue Feb 16 16:52:11 2010 From: taw at bitwiz.org.uk (Thomas White) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:52:11 +0100 Subject: [GTA02] VGA-QVGA switching - #2263 revisited In-Reply-To: <4B7ABD80.8070703@moko.ksp.sk> References: <4B7ABD80.8070703@moko.ksp.sk> Message-ID: <20100216165211.39efe15b.taw@bitwiz.org.uk> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:45:04 +0100 Vladimir Koutny wrote: > Thus, I'd like to ask if anyone know: > - a solution that works? > - a git revision which is supposed to fix #2263? > - some background on #2263 so I can try to fix it in SHR kernel? > > I'm also fine with DRM kerels if they can somehow switch the modes/orientations; > I didn't find a word how that should work, though. XRandR hasn't really been worked on yet for the DRM/KMS stack, so if it works then it's more luck than judgement. I'm working on stabilising this kind of thing in the 2.6.32+DRM kernel right now. Tom -- Thomas White From neiljerram at googlemail.com Tue Feb 16 17:00:20 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:00:20 +0000 Subject: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator In-Reply-To: <49dd78621001060311n1adb5142pecb69a48c6d5d885@mail.gmail.com> References: <1262713193121-4256370.post@n2.nabble.com> <58a51a771001050955r4222d176yd27a703216c85c0b@mail.gmail.com> <1262751021.19470.26.camel@rattus> <20100106102341.4ca4f2db@acer> <1262775049.19470.91.camel@rattus> <49dd78621001060311n1adb5142pecb69a48c6d5d885@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49dd78621002160800j56e74835xbf3f89b276261e89@mail.gmail.com> On 6 January 2010 11:11, Neil Jerram wrote: > > line. ?(I plan to make a donation shortly.) Finally getting around to this - but I don't see a Donate button anywhere on the tangogps website. Is there a donation mechanism? Thanks, Neil From rixed at happyleptic.org Tue Feb 16 17:04:28 2010 From: rixed at happyleptic.org (rixed at happyleptic.org) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:04:28 +0100 Subject: [qtmoko] New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner In-Reply-To: <20100216164930.d383665a.taw@bitwiz.org.uk> References: <1263198892150-4284388.post@n2.nabble.com> <4B799394.1050207@1407.org> <201002161548.49110.psonek2@seznam.cz> <201002161619.11058.david@garabana.com> <20100216164930.d383665a.taw@bitwiz.org.uk> Message-ID: <20100216160428.GC5559@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> > It's a fact that to get to this state we're going to have to > write a lot of hardware-specific code, and each developer who would > potentially work on this stuff has to make their own decision about > whether they want to do that for a GPU which won't be found elsewhere. There is another, much more concrete obstacle across this path : AFAIK there are no public release of glamo's datasheet. While I find it conceivable to dedicate some time and effort to code some low level code for a never to be seen again video chip, then to code some apps using this code, I can't stand to have to guess how the chip works. From david at garabana.com Tue Feb 16 17:13:54 2010 From: david at garabana.com (David Garabana Barro) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:13:54 +0100 Subject: [qtmoko] New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner In-Reply-To: <20100216160428.GC5559@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> References: <1263198892150-4284388.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100216164930.d383665a.taw@bitwiz.org.uk> <20100216160428.GC5559@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> Message-ID: <201002161713.57169.david@garabana.com> On Tuesday 16 February 2010 17:04:28 rixed at happyleptic.org wrote: > > It's a fact that to get to this state we're going to have to > > write a lot of hardware-specific code, and each developer who would > > potentially work on this stuff has to make their own decision about > > whether they want to do that for a GPU which won't be found elsewhere. > > There is another, much more concrete obstacle across this path : > AFAIK there are no public release of glamo's datasheet. 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Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100216/19d4355f/attachment.pgp From raster at rasterman.com Tue Feb 16 17:18:27 2010 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 03:18:27 +1100 Subject: [qtmoko] New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner In-Reply-To: <20100216164930.d383665a.taw@bitwiz.org.uk> References: <1263198892150-4284388.post@n2.nabble.com> <4B799394.1050207@1407.org> <201002161548.49110.psonek2@seznam.cz> <201002161619.11058.david@garabana.com> <20100216164930.d383665a.taw@bitwiz.org.uk> Message-ID: <20100217031827.eca527db.raster@rasterman.com> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:49:30 +0100 Thomas White said: > On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:19:08 +0100 > David Garabana Barro wrote: > > > >Now i just change a few kernel config options and few line patch (thanks > > >to Thomas White) and the graphics speed is very nice. In QVGA it can > > >probably match iPhone or any Android device. > > > > No, it can't, at least until we have an OpenGL driver. But it's true that > > using VGA resolution is a handicap for such a slow graphics chip, and it > > would be better QVGA for this hardware. > > A small point, but there are things we can do along the way to a full > GL driver which speed things up, and I don't think we've found them all > just yet. For instance, adding proper fencing in the DRM driver > unclogs things by a fairly noticable amount: fullscreen (VGA) blits at > 100fps with 0% CPU usage, anyone? indeed nice.. if there is 100fps of data to blit TO the screen usefully. something has to generate that data... :) technically if you tyried to implement full xrender accel - evas could be partly accelerated by the 2d hw - but.. it's my guess (and still is - but if you ever get that far - prove me wrong :)) that for every win u get from using the 2d hw accel, you will post a loss by falling back to software ops going across the bus from cpu <-> glamo as the 2d is only partly able to implement xrender and the kind of ops you need. of course.. i'm open to be proven wrong, but.. it's my guess that after all the work and effort, you'll have spent that effort standing still (i.e. gaining on one hand, losing on the other). as for GL.. there is gl-es1.1 - but only minimally useful. can't do vga rendering - so u need to drop to qvga anyway. max texture size of 256x256? not useful for 2d anymore. evas has a full opengl-es2.0 engine - but 2.0 and 1.x in gl-es are completely incompatible api's so you choose one or the other to work on - i chose 2.0 as it's friendly to 2d much more than 1.1. given just the 2 limits above i suspect it will be marginally useful at best. also note - i've working on soc's with full gl-es2.0 gpu's and fast shared buses where cpu and gpu are living in the same memory and there is no system -> video ram bottleneck... and software can equal or beat hw gl in a lot of cases. in others gl can beat software - but it's not immensely common. i've pushed things to minimise gl state transitions a lot - minimise re-binds, use texture atlases - and i've pushed shaders to take a lot of the weight of things like enabling and dsabling blending and more. of course u'd need 2.0 to have shaders... but in general gl-es is really good at 3d. ie rotations and perspective transforms. for simpler things like plain alpha blending, blits, fills etc. software can equal or beat even the best gpu's (i'm talking s3c6410, omap3 - sgx 530 and even an sxg540 clocking in at 200mhz and 4 cores). example: http://www.rasterman.com/files/other-vs-gl.html notice gl really works well on the 3d stuff (rotations/perspective), but can lose badly on many other paths. and thats one of the top-of-the-line gpu's in embedded. and for s3c6410 (this is what was once considered for gta03/04 long ago, and by now this SoC is considered old/legacy): http://www.rasterman.com/files/s3c-gl-vs-soft.html the amount of work needed to get it up to snuff was non-trivial with full docs and sample driver code and a few people working on it full time for many months from both ends (kernel driver, xserver, userspace libgl and application sides). you just need to know that - you may get it to work in the end. sure. that may happen. but... your results may be sorely disappointing :( just beware. > > Fact is that glamo is a graphics "decelerator". It's known that Neo1973 was > > faster than FreeRunner on graphics (even on VGA), despite of slower > > processor. > > Yes, the bus speed is a fundamental limitation, and it does suck. > But there are other reasons (see below) why the current driver and > rendering model is a bad match for the hardware. In fact, it's a bad > match for almost all hardware, it's just that normally the overall > speed is high enough to get away with it. We haven't yet allowed > ourselves to make meaningful use of the acceleration features, and I'm > absolutely convinced that if we did so then the GTA02's UI could fly > along. It's a fact that to get to this state we're going to have to > write a lot of hardware-specific code, and each developer who would > potentially work on this stuff has to make their own decision about > whether they want to do that for a GPU which won't be found elsewhere. thats one of the saddest things. if glamo had a future.. a glamo2,3,4 that would be found.. it'd be worth effort - but all of this will be for a 1-off gpu that is for a dead platform (freerunner is no longer produced and there is no successor coming that has the glamo or successors as part of it). how much effort do you put into something like that? me - i am a pragmatist here - i'd put as little effort as possible that is not going to port onto newer soc's and platforms. that's what i've been doing - and it's paid off - as above. gl-es2.0 engine - does video textures, rotations.. hell e17 even has a opengl-es capable compositor module now that works quite decently. and there is a definite future. :) > Extract from > http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-devel/2009-December/001702.html > - see the thread for context. > ---> > If you're only talking about the X protocol overhead, then that's true > - although I haven't yet seen any numbers... > > However, it's not the driver's fault. By the time (say) GTK's rendering > instructions get to our driver (i.e. xf86-video-glamo), they've been > turned into a series of tiny rectangle operations which are almost > impossible to accelerate in any useful way. In this sense, the way X > requires programs to send their rendering commands, and the way > GTK/Cairo sends its commands, and the way the X server core communicates > with the driver, are hurting us. > > Essentially, that's why E is so much faster: it prepares larger chunks > of data at a higher level where acceleration can be much more > meaningful, then sends them to the server in one big block. The price > of this is that the acceleration done by the driver is hardly used in > most cases, so we still don't get the best out of our hardware. well that depends what engine - software - yes. cpu generates everything - all pixels and blasts them to x the fastest way it can. for xrender everything is prepared and then blasted as a series of xrender ops. for gl - same. prepared and evas blasts lots of gldrawarrays worth of triangles. it lets the gpu pipeline take it from there. as such - this is pretty much how most modern hw likes it - it likes to be given large batches of commands in a pipeline, not piecemeal ones-ies and twos-ies. :) > A more fundamental redesign could potentially allow such pitfalls > to be side-stepped, but this also comes at a price: Hardware-dependent > code would end up existing at a higher level in the software [1], > reducing the reusability of code. > > [1] In the extreme case, hardware-dependent code can be moved all the > way up the the individual client program, abstracted by a library. > This is what DRI does, in which case that abstraction library is > usually Mesa, providing an OpenGL API. > <--- > > My decision about this was simple: Since I enjoy the development work, > it doesn't make any difference to me that the hardware will go away in > time. Nothing is forever, and this is a perfect opportunity to learn > about driver development on a relatively tame piece of hardware. I > don't have any immediate plans for world domination [2].. and that's totally fair enough. good to know you know what you're looking at and its usefulness etc. etc. i'm just happy that your expectations are realistic. me - i'm less about the exercise and more about the end result... but that's me :) /me goes back to whooshing his smooth lists around his screen > Tom > > [2] ... or is that just what I want you to believe? Mwahahahaha... > > -- > Thomas White > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From david at garabana.com Tue Feb 16 17:33:32 2010 From: david at garabana.com (David Garabana Barro) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:33:32 +0100 Subject: [qtmoko] New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner In-Reply-To: <20100217031827.eca527db.raster@rasterman.com> References: <1263198892150-4284388.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100216164930.d383665a.taw@bitwiz.org.uk> <20100217031827.eca527db.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <201002161733.34861.david@garabana.com> On Tuesday 16 February 2010 17:18:27 Carsten Haitzler wrote: > as for GL.. there is gl-es1.1 - but only minimally useful. can't do vga > rendering - so u need to drop to qvga anyway. max texture size of 256x256? 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Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100216/1b9fd635/attachment.pgp From raster at rasterman.com Tue Feb 16 17:43:51 2010 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 03:43:51 +1100 Subject: [qtmoko] New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner In-Reply-To: <201002161733.34861.david@garabana.com> References: <1263198892150-4284388.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100216164930.d383665a.taw@bitwiz.org.uk> <20100217031827.eca527db.raster@rasterman.com> <201002161733.34861.david@garabana.com> Message-ID: <20100217034351.eb66fadf.raster@rasterman.com> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:33:32 +0100 David Garabana Barro said: > On Tuesday 16 February 2010 17:18:27 Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > as for GL.. there is gl-es1.1 - but only minimally useful. can't do vga > > rendering - so u need to drop to qvga anyway. max texture size of 256x256? > > Wasn't max texture size 512x512? that was max rendering viewport (max gl buffer). this can't do vga (as vga is 640x... 640 > 512). maybe u can start rendering by rendering 2 buffers then combining them in 2 output blits. it's not going to be pretty for performance... or for the driver internals. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From yorickmoko at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 18:25:02 2010 From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:25:02 +0100 Subject: tangogps google satellite url In-Reply-To: <20100216161135.70094dba@acer> References: <26fea52c1002160642p3e5e578cy493559b18cb62fb6@mail.gmail.com> <20100216161135.70094dba@acer> Message-ID: <26fea52c1002160925x1e05db5ei38291c019d62db4b@mail.gmail.com> thanks a lot Marcus On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Marcus Bauer wrote: > On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:42:13 +0100 > Yorick Moko wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm a happy tangogps user, but it seems like google changed their > > satellite url once again. > > for google maps I use > > http://mt0.google.com/vt/v=w2.97&hl=nl&x=%d&y=%d&z=%d&s=G > > and this one still works > > > > could someone be so kind to give me the correct url for the satellite > > images? > > (for testing purposes only of course) > > you can use firebug to easily figure out the url of an image. usually > only the version number changes. a quick check reveals that it is now > at v=55. if you keep older version numbers, the servers will refuse the > request. > > marcus > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100216/42e6807b/attachment-0001.htm From marcus.bauer at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 19:20:40 2010 From: marcus.bauer at gmail.com (Marcus Bauer) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:20:40 +0100 Subject: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator In-Reply-To: <49dd78621002160800j56e74835xbf3f89b276261e89@mail.gmail.com> References: <1262713193121-4256370.post@n2.nabble.com> <58a51a771001050955r4222d176yd27a703216c85c0b@mail.gmail.com> <1262751021.19470.26.camel@rattus> <20100106102341.4ca4f2db@acer> <1262775049.19470.91.camel@rattus> <49dd78621001060311n1adb5142pecb69a48c6d5d885@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78621002160800j56e74835xbf3f89b276261e89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100216192040.5faa0454@acer> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:00:20 +0000 Neil Jerram wrote: > On 6 January 2010 11:11, Neil Jerram > wrote: > > > > line. ?(I plan to make a donation shortly.) > > Finally getting around to this - but I don't see a Donate button > anywhere on the tangogps website. Is there a donation mechanism? > > Thanks, > Neil Hello Neil, So far I have added the donation button occasionally under the release notes but now I have added one to the left sidebar. Best regards, Marcus From psonek2 at seznam.cz Tue Feb 16 22:22:29 2010 From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:22:29 +0100 Subject: QtMoko v19 In-Reply-To: <4B7AAE9D.8000907@apertum.it> References: <201002042347.11352.psonek2@seznam.cz> <201002151457.12506.psonek2@seznam.cz> <4B7AAE9D.8000907@apertum.it> Message-ID: <201002162222.29566.psonek2@seznam.cz> -= Apertum =- wrote: > No problem Radek, and thanks anyway for your super effort :-) I am glad to hear it, thanks too. > I think that the community behind QtMoko now it's not so tiny, but we > need a method to concentrate better our efforts. IE: on the site it must > be some places to easily report bugs, problems or feedback by users, to > help testing (and betatesting) fo this (great) distribution. Something > like a bug tracker, answer for users, and so on, more over wiki. > > Maybe we can open it on launchpad ? I have already project on sourceforge. Although i have nothing against launchpad, i'd like to use the existing infrastructure. Maybe we can talk about it in #qtmoko irc. > It's there a stable main developer group behind QtMoko or is only a > onemanwork? There is probably no stable contributor now, but the occasional contributors are great. I just felt like wow and couldnt believe when i saw Arora or NeronGPS. Or the bugs in latest release fixed by Jeroen. It's perfect work and many thanks for it. Btw i have very little time lately (family, money work and trying to do some sports). Please dont expect too much from me :-) Regards Radek From rixed at happyleptic.org Wed Feb 17 00:18:05 2010 From: rixed at happyleptic.org (rixed at happyleptic.org) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:18:05 +0100 Subject: Tracking power leackage in my freerunner In-Reply-To: <84mxzajmtk.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <20100127104023.GB4645@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <4B602670.9060000@gmx.net> <20100127125229.GC4645@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100129065331.GA1749@yeeloong> <20100215100057.GA11105@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <84vddyka63.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20100215182037.GA1641@yeeloong> <84mxzajmtk.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <20100216231805.GA1731@yeeloong> -[ Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 09:55:35PM +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors ]---- > rixed at happyleptic.org writes: > > Do you think usb could be the source of power consumption (nothing > > is plugged in of course) ? Or maybe SD card reader ? > > Remove SD card and SIM card and see? Got 18.5mA. I also did this using qtmoko (setting deep sleep mode in /opt/qtmoko/etc/default/Trolltech/Modem.conf), just to be sure. Also, I upgraded to latest gsm chipset firmware. Should I conclude to a hardware bug ? Any idea where/how I should look for ? From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Wed Feb 17 08:13:41 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:13:41 +0200 Subject: Tracking power leackage in my freerunner In-Reply-To: <20100216231805.GA1731@yeeloong> (rixed@happyleptic.org's message of "Wed\, 17 Feb 2010 00\:18\:05 +0100") References: <20100127104023.GB4645@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <4B602670.9060000@gmx.net> <20100127125229.GC4645@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100129065331.GA1749@yeeloong> <20100215100057.GA11105@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <84vddyka63.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20100215182037.GA1641@yeeloong> <84mxzajmtk.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20100216231805.GA1731@yeeloong> Message-ID: <84r5okibbu.fsf@sauna.l.org> rixed at happyleptic.org writes: > I also did this using qtmoko (setting deep sleep mode in > /opt/qtmoko/etc/default/Trolltech/Modem.conf), just to be sure. Deep sleep only matters if the GSM chip is on. > Should I conclude to a hardware bug ? > Any idea where/how I should look for ? My expertise pretty much ends here :-) However, it might help if you power down all extra hardware (bt, gsm, gps, wifi) and then run gpio from http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/gpio/ and post the results. Here's what I get in this state: lindi at ginger:~$ om power bt power 0 gsm power 0 gps power 0 gps keep-on-in-suspend 1 wifi power 0 lindi at ginger:~$ sudo bin/gpio A 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 F0 F0 F0 F0 F0 F0 F0 F0 F0 F0 F0 F0 F0 >0 F0 >0 >0 F0 F0 F0 F0 F0 F0 B 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >1 >0 C 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 0R>0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >1 >0 >1 D 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 >1 >0 >0 >1 >1 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >1 >1 1 >0 E 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 F1 F1 F0 F1 F1 >0 F1 F1 F1 F1 F1 F1RF1 F1 F1 F1 F 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 F1 F0 F1 F0RF0 F1 F0 F0 G 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 >0 F1 X1 >0 F1 1R>0 >1 F1 F1 F1 F0 >0 1 1 0 H 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 F0 0R 0 F0R>0 F1 F1 F1 F0RF1 >0 J 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 0R>1 >0 >0 >1 >1 >1 0R>1 >0 >0 >0 >0 By looking at https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/doc/hardware/GTA02v4/gpio.txt you can see where each GPIO pin is connected to in the schematics http://people.gta01.hmw-consulting.de/people/joerg/schematics/GTA02/Schematics_Freerunner-GTA02_A5-A7cumulative_public_RC0.pdf Does your GPIO output differ from mine? From rixed at happyleptic.org Wed Feb 17 10:38:58 2010 From: rixed at happyleptic.org (rixed at happyleptic.org) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:38:58 +0100 Subject: Tracking power leackage in my freerunner In-Reply-To: <84r5okibbu.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <20100127125229.GC4645@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100129065331.GA1749@yeeloong> <20100215100057.GA11105@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <84vddyka63.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20100215182037.GA1641@yeeloong> <84mxzajmtk.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20100216231805.GA1731@yeeloong> <84r5okibbu.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <20100217093858.GA25307@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> -[ Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 09:13:41AM +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors ]---- > rixed at happyleptic.org writes: > My expertise pretty much ends here :-) However, it might help if you > power down all extra hardware (bt, gsm, gps, wifi) and then run gpio > from > > http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/gpio/ Here are the result, once turned everything down (bt, gsm, wifi, usb, gps) : A 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 F0 F0 F0 F0 F0 F0 F0 F0 F0 F0 F0 F0 F0 >0 F0 >0 >0 F0 F0 F0 F0 F0 F0 B 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >1 >0 C 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 0R>0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >1 >0 >1 D 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 >1 >0 >0 >1 >1 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >0 >1 >1 1 >0 E 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 F0 F1 F0 F0 F0 F0 F1 F1 F1 F1 F1 F1RF1 F1 F1 F1 F 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 F1 F0 F1 F0RF0 F0 F0 F0 G 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 >0 F1 X1 >0 F1 1R>0 >1 F1 F1 F1 F1 >0 1 1 0 H 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 F0 F0RF1 F1R>0 F1 F1 F1 F0RF1 >0 J 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 0R>1 >0 >0 >1 >1 >1 0R>1 >0 >0 >0 >1 and a diff from yours : --- gpio.ref 2010-02-17 09:54:13.000000000 +0100 +++ gpio 2010-02-17 09:46:11.000000000 +0100 @@ -7,12 +7,12 @@ E 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 - F1 F1 F0 F1 F1 >0 F1 F1 F1 F1 F1 F1RF1 F1 F1 F1 + F0 F1 F0 F0 F0 F0 F1 F1 F1 F1 F1 F1RF1 F1 F1 F1 ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ F 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 - F1 F0 F1 F0RF0 F1 F0 F0 + F1 F0 F1 F0RF0 F0 F0 F0 ^^ G 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 - >0 F1 X1 >0 F1 1R>0 >1 F1 F1 F1 F0 >0 1 1 0 + >0 F1 X1 >0 F1 1R>0 >1 F1 F1 F1 F1 >0 1 1 0 ^^ H 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 - F0 0R 0 F0R>0 F1 F1 F1 F0RF1 >0 + F0 F0RF1 F1R>0 F1 F1 F1 F0RF1 >0 ^^^^^ ^^^^^ J 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 - 0R>1 >0 >0 >1 >1 >1 0R>1 >0 >0 >0 >0 + 0R>1 >0 >0 >1 >1 >1 0R>1 >0 >0 >0 >1 ^^ I'm not familiar with gpios, and I don't understand the values here. But looking to the ones that differs, lets see what they are connected to : GPE0 is ISSLRC, linked to in/out port LRC of something that could be the codec. GPE3 is ISSSDI, linked to output port ADCDAT of the same thing. GPE4 is ISSSDO, linked to input port DACDAT of the same thing. GPE5 is WLAN_SDCLK, linked to input port SPI_CLK of CON7901 (related to SD card apparently) GPF5 is linked to in/out port WLAN_GPIO1 of same CON7901 (aparently related to wlan wakeup) GPG11 is EINT19/TCLK, linked to output GSMOC point near a small thing. GPH1 is NRTS0, linked to output port CTS_MODEM of the calypso. GPH2 is TXD0, linked to input port RX_MODEM of the same capypso. GPH3 is RXD0, linked to output port TX_MODEM. GPH4 is TXD1, linked to output port RXD1 of the U7608. GPJ12 is CAMRESET linked to input port RESET of the CON7901. So, the conclusion to draw from all this is very clear : this is not going to be obvious. :o) If noone has a better idea I will try to write your values into my FR's gpio to see if that changes anything. Apart from that, and interrestingly, I changed my battery to a new one (not really new since I own it for severall months, but never used it). Apparently it's better : I measured 13.5mA ( -> suspend time more than 80h). I still find it very doubtfull that changing battery can alter this as much, so I will have to check a couple of time. Thank you for your patience, support and ideas, anyway. From dscaini at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 15:36:10 2010 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:36:10 +0100 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <84k4uje716.fsf@sauna.l.org> <1266010636118-4563699.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002131447.25853.sander@3v8.net> <1266172659155-4571148.post@n2.nabble.com> <9e7398031002142252ja1a2d3dka2e35e5b96da4ee9@mail.gmail.com> <1266217776277-4573240.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <18db98c81002170636u25441e9en229bdd29ce25654d@mail.gmail.com> I built the map for Italy, if someone interested i'll find a way to share (if mike is interested I'll upload to his website) d On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > Wow, took hours but I was finally able to generate first the border > file and then the map of Finland. > > The GUI was a nice surprise, wow, very nice (all icons are not very > intuitive, though). > > When trying to route, I wasn't able to find all cities - for example > the capital, Helsinki, wasn't available. > Continuing to type it's name, mcnavi crashed: > > *** glibc detected *** mcnavi: free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x0022a528 > *** > Aborted > > > Keep us updated on new version, this looks good! > > > r > > > > > -- > | risto h. kurppa > | risto at kurppa dot fi > | http://risto.kurppa.fi > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Did you install MC Navi on the SHR using http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/mcnavi_0.2.4-r0.4_armv4t.ipk? Does it work? ciao Luca From dscaini at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 15:50:48 2010 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:50:48 +0100 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002131447.25853.sander@3v8.net> <1266172659155-4571148.post@n2.nabble.com> <9e7398031002142252ja1a2d3dka2e35e5b96da4ee9@mail.gmail.com> <1266217776277-4573240.post@n2.nabble.com> <18db98c81002170636u25441e9en229bdd29ce25654d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18db98c81002170650g27eb17c1pdfb72697bcb89e7f@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Vaudano Luca wrote: > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Davide Scaini wrote: > > I built the map for Italy, if someone interested i'll find a way to share > > (if mike is interested I'll upload to his website) > > d > > > Yes, I'm interested in it. Thanks! > Did you install MC Navi on the SHR using > http://3v8.net/~sander/openmoko/mcnavi_0.2.4-r0.4_armv4t.ipk? > Does it work? > ciao > Luca > > Yes i tried that one... but i cannot zoom-unzoom nor set destination point in settings (i guess exists a panel like "settings"... ). It tooks me some hours to convert this map... I don't know where to place it, give me some hint please :P d > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From dscaini at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 16:02:32 2010 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:02:32 +0100 Subject: Jefliks Jabber-Client release In-Reply-To: <9e7398031002151203y601f1b38xabbc8a7cf831adbc@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e7398031002141246x64fb56c3y942fb3c718e4fd52@mail.gmail.com> <5f6db60d1002141452k7d2b4529g8dd9e89982462fb6@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c81002151126t758d8cbepece2de6ebf98a13b@mail.gmail.com> <9e7398031002151203y601f1b38xabbc8a7cf831adbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18db98c81002170702t4854d10ctdf4d84002249f57b@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Richy wrote: > Hello Davide, > > http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8206/jeflikstutshort.png > > First, click on Actions --> Settings > > your JID/Ressource would be > > dscaini at gmail.com/Freerunner > You can replace Freerunner with whatever you like. Just make sure that, if > you have multiple devices to login to your account, they need a different > ressource. > > your Password next, don't know this one ;) > > The options should work, I haven't tried gmail yet. > > Next, hit save and close > > At last, click on status and online. > > I saw "..." where status used to be and after a few seconds, it connected. > > Hope that helps > > >> mmm... >> how do i configure for example my gmail account? >> d >> >> _____ >> > Thanks now it's a little bit more clear, but i think i should specify a server... When I manage to configure it right i'll post. Thanks for your hints! d -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100217/37f28989/attachment.pgp From vlado at moko.ksp.sk Wed Feb 17 16:47:57 2010 From: vlado at moko.ksp.sk (Vladimir Koutny) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:47:57 +0100 Subject: [GTA02] VGA-QVGA switching - #2263 revisited In-Reply-To: <20100216165211.39efe15b.taw@bitwiz.org.uk> References: <4B7ABD80.8070703@moko.ksp.sk> <20100216165211.39efe15b.taw@bitwiz.org.uk> Message-ID: <4B7C0FAD.2060403@moko.ksp.sk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >> Thus, I'd like to ask if anyone know: >> - a solution that works? >> - a git revision which is supposed to fix #2263? >> - some background on #2263 so I can try to fix it in SHR kernel? >> >> I'm also fine with DRM kerels if they can somehow switch the modes/orientations; >> I didn't find a word how that should work, though. > > XRandR hasn't really been worked on yet for the DRM/KMS stack, so if it > works then it's more luck than judgement. I'm working on stabilising > this kind of thing in the 2.6.32+DRM kernel right now. Ok, thanks for info. I'll try to have a look at the andy-tracking code for now (which is the most stable kernel for my needs.. 2.6.32 can't even suspend/resume properly) - hopefully I can find something.. Vlado > > Tom > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iJwEAQECAAYFAkt8D60ACgkQutgEj9ZLuzTaJwQAw/l3M6VBobvrxZz6dDxoFF5J 88ooxKWsEWqeCnTo0rBER9CDFCdMo4bQqoAbBnCsUh8xxxMHmtZk872ojY3sJRXG R2zlOzNkhW8erWJXYhDrzFzbfFVJqrq1VATq0axc8qTGnHxFfXdTzKkunOFZzJ85 FVA8GHNjLZovNxPdhas= =Cmlq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dscaini at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 17:16:34 2010 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:16:34 +0100 Subject: Jefliks Jabber-Client release In-Reply-To: <201002171625.54551.david@garabana.com> References: <9e7398031002141246x64fb56c3y942fb3c718e4fd52@mail.gmail.com> <9e7398031002151203y601f1b38xabbc8a7cf831adbc@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c81002170702t4854d10ctdf4d84002249f57b@mail.gmail.com> <201002171625.54551.david@garabana.com> Message-ID: <18db98c81002170816s3ec55078j4acc7521b52cd83c@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:25 PM, David Garabana Barro wrote: > On Wednesday 17 February 2010 16:02:32 Davide Scaini wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Richy wrote: > > > > > Thanks now it's a little bit more clear, but i think i should specify a > > server... > > talk.google.com:5223 > > You can find more info at: > > http://www.google.com/talk/otherclients.html > > One sample configuration you can follow: > > http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=24074 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > Yes i found that :) I tried with that sever, but it gives me "IO Error 7" gmail wants ssl, my guess is that sasl is not ok (and tsl of course)... 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URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100217/e6346745/attachment-0001.htm From dscaini at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 17:38:27 2010 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:38:27 +0100 Subject: [SHR] Application for desktop categories In-Reply-To: <20100213101337.1df27455.openmoko@netapps.com.au> References: <20100213101337.1df27455.openmoko@netapps.com.au> Message-ID: <18db98c81002170838v56bf29cbrbda1a92a682db3ae@mail.gmail.com> There are some interesting apps on your repos, but it would be nice to have some screenshot to understand better what is about and how it looks loke before installing them... anyway thanks for your efforts :) d On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 12:13 AM, Michael Smith wrote: > The number of applications on the SHR Illume desktop was getting to be a > problem for me so I wrote a program which will rename batches of .desktop > files to a different extension and hide them. The blog post is here: > > http://glitch.tl/deskcat.html > > Screenshot: http://artifacts.glitch.tl/DESKCAT-0.2-screenshot.png > Package: http://opkg.glitch.tl/deskcat_0.3_arm.ipk > Source: > http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/deskcat/ > > Important: read the whole blog post before installing the package. This is > somewhat experimental. > > Basically you define categories in the application and assign a category to > any application. The application creates desktop launchers which will rename > any managed .desktop files in /usr/share/applications to a different > extention if they are not in the desired category. > > One problem with this application is that it does create quite a few > .desktop files of its own and they do clutter the place up. The category > icons could be put into categories of their own but that would make > navigating slower. > > Please reply with any comments, complaints and feature requests. One > thought I had after getting the application to work on the phone is that I > could reduce the number of icons by using the GUI application to switch > categories. Doing it that way would be slower and require more finger > presses, but it would be tidier. > -- > Michael Smith > +61 416 062 898 > http://glitch.tl > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I remember something about... or am i wrong? d On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Marcus Bauer wrote: > On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:44:00 +0000 > Juergen Schinker wrote: > > > awesome work! can you supply also the pkg for hackable:1 please. > > Afaik David 'Deubeuliou' is already working on it and it should be > apt-get installable in the next two or three days. > > > > Can you also supply a clear all msg button? > > Yes, there is definitely a need for a solution for this... > > Marcus > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100217/77b96a7a/attachment.htm From rms at 1407.org Wed Feb 17 19:00:06 2010 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:00:06 +0000 Subject: Jefliks Jabber-Client release In-Reply-To: <18db98c81002170816s3ec55078j4acc7521b52cd83c@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e7398031002141246x64fb56c3y942fb3c718e4fd52@mail.gmail.com> <9e7398031002151203y601f1b38xabbc8a7cf831adbc@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c81002170702t4854d10ctdf4d84002249f57b@mail.gmail.com> <201002171625.54551.david@garabana.com> <18db98c81002170816s3ec55078j4acc7521b52cd83c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7C2EA6.2030601@1407.org> Em 17-02-2010 16:16, Davide Scaini escreveu: > Yes i found that :) > I tried with that sever, but it gives me > "IO Error 7" > gmail wants ssl, my guess is that sasl is not ok (and tsl of course)... (i'm > not an expert, not at all) > so right now it does not work :) > d Perhaps it will work if you apply this fix: http://code.google.com/p/elmdentica/wiki/httpsSupport Rui From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Thu Feb 18 00:48:57 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 01:48:57 +0200 Subject: Tracking power leackage in my freerunner In-Reply-To: <20100217093858.GA25307@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> (rixed@happyleptic.org's message of "Wed\, 17 Feb 2010 10\:38\:58 +0100") References: <20100127125229.GC4645@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100129065331.GA1749@yeeloong> <20100215100057.GA11105@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <84vddyka63.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20100215182037.GA1641@yeeloong> <84mxzajmtk.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20100216231805.GA1731@yeeloong> <84r5okibbu.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20100217093858.GA25307@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> Message-ID: <84ljerl8ye.fsf@sauna.l.org> rixed at happyleptic.org writes: > F 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 > - F1 F0 F1 F0RF0 F1 F0 F0 > + F1 F0 F1 F0RF0 F0 F0 F0 > ^^ > GPF5 is linked to in/out port WLAN_GPIO1 of same CON7901 (aparently related to wlan wakeup) Here GPF5 is high (1) when the wifi is disabled and goes down (to 0) only when I turn the wifi on with om wifi power 1 (which writes to some /sys/.../bind file that I can't remember right now.) Does the energy consumption increase if you turn the wifi on? If not, it might already be on. From ben at abcom.co.nz Thu Feb 18 07:24:05 2010 From: ben at abcom.co.nz (Ben Wilson) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:24:05 +1300 Subject: [GTA02] VGA-QVGA switching - #2263 revisited In-Reply-To: <4B7C0FAD.2060403@moko.ksp.sk> References: <4B7ABD80.8070703@moko.ksp.sk> <20100216165211.39efe15b.taw@bitwiz.org.uk> <4B7C0FAD.2060403@moko.ksp.sk> Message-ID: <4B7CDD05.5010704@abcom.co.nz> I'd just like to add that QVGA has not worked on GTA01 for a few years now (at least not in SHR) xrandr has always reported 480x640 as the only available mode. I think it may have been worked under om2007. Anyone tried it under debian? If anyone's able to have a look at getting GTA01 QVGA working in SHR that would be great. Ben. On 18/02/2010 4:47 a.m., Vladimir Koutny wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > >>> Thus, I'd like to ask if anyone know: >>> - a solution that works? >>> - a git revision which is supposed to fix #2263? >>> - some background on #2263 so I can try to fix it in SHR kernel? >>> >>> I'm also fine with DRM kerels if they can somehow switch the modes/orientations; >>> I didn't find a word how that should work, though. >>> >> XRandR hasn't really been worked on yet for the DRM/KMS stack, so if it >> works then it's more luck than judgement. I'm working on stabilising >> this kind of thing in the 2.6.32+DRM kernel right now. >> > Ok, thanks for info. I'll try to have a look at the andy-tracking code > for now (which is the most stable kernel for my needs.. 2.6.32 can't even > suspend/resume properly) - hopefully I can find something.. > > Vlado > > >> Tom >> >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iJwEAQECAAYFAkt8D60ACgkQutgEj9ZLuzTaJwQAw/l3M6VBobvrxZz6dDxoFF5J > 88ooxKWsEWqeCnTo0rBER9CDFCdMo4bQqoAbBnCsUh8xxxMHmtZk872ojY3sJRXG > R2zlOzNkhW8erWJXYhDrzFzbfFVJqrq1VATq0axc8qTGnHxFfXdTzKkunOFZzJ85 > FVA8GHNjLZovNxPdhas= > =Cmlq > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > From openmoko at netapps.com.au Thu Feb 18 10:36:59 2010 From: openmoko at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:36:59 +1100 Subject: [SHR] Application for desktop categories In-Reply-To: <18db98c81002170838v56bf29cbrbda1a92a682db3ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100213101337.1df27455.openmoko@netapps.com.au> <18db98c81002170838v56bf29cbrbda1a92a682db3ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100218203659.94e4d684.openmoko@netapps.com.au> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:38:27 +0100 Davide Scaini wrote: > There are some interesting apps on your repos, but it would be nice to have > some screenshot to understand better what is about and how it looks loke > before installing them... Hi Thanks for the feedback. I have updated the mokolog web page with screen shots and usage information. http://glitch.tl/mokolog.html I have added a new screen shot for deskcat and tagged the latest version as 1.0. I now consider this application as safe to use. http://glitch.tl/deskcat.html The mkrpn applicaton has screenshots so I haven't changed its page but let me know if you think I can clarify anything. http://glitch.tl/mkrpn.html In general I encourage people to only install packages which I link to from this category on my weblog: http://glitch.tl/Openmoko.html I put links there to packages when I think they are ready for people to try. A major release (1.0, 2.0, etc) should be considered mature. Smaller point releases (0.1, 1.1, etc) should be treated with caution. Regards, -- Michael Smith +61 416 062 898 http://glitch.tl From larrycow at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 11:01:39 2010 From: larrycow at gmail.com (Olivier Migeot) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:01:39 +0100 Subject: [SHR] Application for desktop categories In-Reply-To: <20100218203659.94e4d684.openmoko@netapps.com.au> References: <20100213101337.1df27455.openmoko@netapps.com.au> <18db98c81002170838v56bf29cbrbda1a92a682db3ae@mail.gmail.com> <20100218203659.94e4d684.openmoko@netapps.com.au> Message-ID: <389eeb981002180201j18b85aa8m2dacfe847291eae1@mail.gmail.com> Just an idea, about DeskCat : since adding more categories - in order to remove desktop clutter - will _actually_ add new desktop clutter in the mean of category icons, wouldn't it be possible/better/stupid to only use one icon and cycle through categories? You could change that icon's title - or even pixmap - regarding the currently displayed category. -- Olivier From serdar at serdar-dere.net Thu Feb 18 11:12:07 2010 From: serdar at serdar-dere.net (Serdar Dere) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:12:07 +0100 Subject: Installer In-Reply-To: <1265664019600-4537168.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <4F96044E-46E3-4652-88A9-05CC3C781D83@serdar-dere.net> <1265661015121-4536832.post@n2.nabble.com> <74A1D422-4A73-4034-B5E8-2206B37D7F28@serdar-dere.net> <1265662768003-4537029.post@n2.nabble.com> <1C0F2FC3-FB83-481A-98C0-ED76D9CD4CD7@serdar-dere.net> <1265664019600-4537168.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B7D1277.3060208@serdar-dere.net> I tried this toolchain too yesterday and trying hacking the code, but I am not a good programmer and failed :/ If someone can look at the code and try to compile and change the bootloader, kernel etc. to new one so we can try to use the installer for any distribution. Greetings Serdar Am 08.02.10 22:20, schrieb ghislain: > > Serdar Dere wrote: > >> like I told, this won't work. >> or you got a better toolchain than I have. >> >> > I use the toolchain as described on the wiki-pages: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Downloading_and_installing > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Downloading_and_installing > > I've installed it in /opt/toolchains/ > > That works for me. > > Ghislain > http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl > From openmoko at netapps.com.au Thu Feb 18 11:16:36 2010 From: openmoko at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:16:36 +1100 Subject: [SHR] Application for desktop categories In-Reply-To: <389eeb981002180201j18b85aa8m2dacfe847291eae1@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100213101337.1df27455.openmoko@netapps.com.au> <18db98c81002170838v56bf29cbrbda1a92a682db3ae@mail.gmail.com> <20100218203659.94e4d684.openmoko@netapps.com.au> <389eeb981002180201j18b85aa8m2dacfe847291eae1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100218211636.90226653.openmoko@netapps.com.au> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:01:39 +0100 Olivier Migeot wrote: > Just an idea, about DeskCat : since adding more categories - in order > to remove desktop clutter - will _actually_ add new desktop clutter in > the mean of category icons, wouldn't it be possible/better/stupid to > only use one icon and cycle through categories? You could change that > icon's title - or even pixmap - regarding the currently displayed > category. Right now you can use the DeskCat application to put the category launchers into categories, so you can configure it that way if you want. You just have to work around a small bug: when you create a category its launcher doesn't appear in deskcat until after deskcat is restarted. This is because the application list is loaded at startup. Another way might be to have a single DeskCat application which lets you choose the category to display on the desktop. This way will be slower because of the need to open a GUI application but not as slow as flipping between two categories. I might try to implement this in the future. Regards, -- Michael Smith +61 416 062 898 http://glitch.tl From martin.jansa at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 11:25:36 2010 From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:25:36 +0100 Subject: [SHR] Application for desktop categories In-Reply-To: <20100218211636.90226653.openmoko@netapps.com.au> References: <20100213101337.1df27455.openmoko@netapps.com.au> <18db98c81002170838v56bf29cbrbda1a92a682db3ae@mail.gmail.com> <20100218203659.94e4d684.openmoko@netapps.com.au> <389eeb981002180201j18b85aa8m2dacfe847291eae1@mail.gmail.com> <20100218211636.90226653.openmoko@netapps.com.au> Message-ID: <20100218102535.GP3233@jama> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 09:16:36PM +1100, Michael Smith wrote: > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:01:39 +0100 > Olivier Migeot wrote: > > > Just an idea, about DeskCat : since adding more categories - in order > > to remove desktop clutter - will _actually_ add new desktop clutter in > > the mean of category icons, wouldn't it be possible/better/stupid to > > only use one icon and cycle through categories? You could change that > > icon's title - or even pixmap - regarding the currently displayed > > category. > > Right now you can use the DeskCat application to put the category launchers into categories, so you can configure it that way if you want. You just have to work around a small bug: when you create a category its launcher doesn't appear in deskcat until after deskcat is restarted. This is because the application list is loaded at startup. > > Another way might be to have a single DeskCat application which lets you choose the category to display on the desktop. This way will be slower because of the need to open a GUI application but not as slow as flipping between two categories. I might try to implement this in the future. Haven't tried it yet, but from what I'm reading, does it just move the .desktop file to subdir and then if I reinstall some package (and original .desktop file is restored) then I'll see both icons? Please also note that illume2 homescreen is said to be much more easier to customize/improve and shr-launcher/DeskCat features would be nice to have integrated there as SHR will move to illume2 as soon as it gets as usable as illume1 is now (hopefully soon as every new illume2 version is getting closer fast). Regards, -- uin:136542059 jid:Martin.Jansa at gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jamasip at voip.wengo.fr JaMa From openmoko at netapps.com.au Thu Feb 18 11:41:39 2010 From: openmoko at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:41:39 +1100 Subject: [SHR] Application for desktop categories In-Reply-To: <20100218102535.GP3233@jama> References: <20100213101337.1df27455.openmoko@netapps.com.au> <18db98c81002170838v56bf29cbrbda1a92a682db3ae@mail.gmail.com> <20100218203659.94e4d684.openmoko@netapps.com.au> <389eeb981002180201j18b85aa8m2dacfe847291eae1@mail.gmail.com> <20100218211636.90226653.openmoko@netapps.com.au> <20100218102535.GP3233@jama> Message-ID: <20100218214139.a37aea08.openmoko@netapps.com.au> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:25:36 +0100 Martin Jansa wrote: > Haven't tried it yet, but from what I'm reading, does it just move the > .desktop file to subdir and then if I reinstall some package (and > original .desktop file is restored) then I'll see both icons? It renames the .desktop for the application to .desktop.ignore which is ignored by the illume desktop. If the select the All icon then all desktop files are restored. You should probably do this before you upgrade any applications. The worst thing which could happen is if a desktop file changes in an upgrade and is hidden during an upgrade the new version would be overwritten by the old one when the desktop file is restored. > Please also note that illume2 homescreen is said to be much more easier > to customize/improve and shr-launcher/DeskCat features would be nice to > have integrated there as SHR will move to illume2 as soon as it gets as > usable as illume1 is now (hopefully soon as every new illume2 version is > getting closer fast). Thats worth noting, thanks. -- Michael Smith +61 416 062 898 http://glitch.tl From david at garabana.com Thu Feb 18 11:47:47 2010 From: david at garabana.com (David Garabana Barro) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:47:47 +0100 Subject: tangoGPS 0.99.3 is out In-Reply-To: <20100214165329.25cdbcfa@acer> References: <20100214165329.25cdbcfa@acer> Message-ID: <201002181147.49966.david@garabana.com> On Sunday 14 February 2010 16:53:29 Marcus Bauer wrote: > Hi, > > tangoGPS is out with lots of speed improvements and a lot less of CPU > usage. Hi! I have just tried it on SHR-u. It feels faster now, and every bit of speed are wellcome on our not-so-fast FR ;) Might it be possible to add an option for selecting the first tab to show when "info" button is clicked? I use a lot tangoGPS for OSM, and it would be really great for me to show "track" options first Thanks a lot for your hard work, Marcus. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Speel samen met je vrienden de spelletjes die Windows Live je aanbiedt! http://www.messengerbillboard.be/nl/play From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 18:46:38 2010 From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:46:38 +0100 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <1265671364.19073.7.camel@rattus> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <20100207052928.6fe7ad67.raster@rasterman.com> <1265619231.5809.7.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <20100208181115.8be1ba4d.raster@rasterman.com> <1265671364.19073.7.camel@rattus> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:22 AM, William Kenworthy wrote: > I pay that one! - was thinking "hmmm ... looks nice ...WHAT THE F..." > when the CD appeared :) The CD is realistic, but the video cassette!:-) Laszlo From vancel at thespazcat.com Thu Feb 18 21:51:04 2010 From: vancel at thespazcat.com (vancel35) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:51:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SHR-U] Wifi stopped working In-Reply-To: <1265996629240-4562468.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1265996629240-4562468.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1266526264442-4594298.post@n2.nabble.com> An update here. I upgraded my phone the night before last, and my wifi works again. I had just given up and was upgrading nightly. I'm not sure what specific package fixed it, but I noticed that some of the core packages were updated (such as phonefsod, libframeworkd, mdbus2, etc.). I think that I had found that it was that the dbus couldn't control the wifi radio. I'm not sure where the disconnect was, but the apps would call the dbus, and the wifi radio wouldn't respond. No matter which specific package it was, my wifi works now without me doing anything beyond update/upgrade nightly. I didn't add any extra kernel modules or anything. -Laura -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/SHR-U-Wifi-stopped-working-tp4562468p4594298.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From vancel at thespazcat.com Thu Feb 18 21:54:58 2010 From: vancel at thespazcat.com (vancel35) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:54:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: tangoGPS 0.99.3 is out In-Reply-To: <201002181147.49966.david@garabana.com> References: <20100214165329.25cdbcfa@acer> <201002181147.49966.david@garabana.com> Message-ID: <1266526498370-4594319.post@n2.nabble.com> I got this in the SHR feeds the other night, and the speed numbers are probably the size you actually intended rather than that weird combination of DPI and size. I had noticed that it was faster too, but since I hadn't read the list of improvements yet, I wasn't sure if it was just in my mind. Thank you very much. :) -Laura -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/tangoGPS-0-99-3-is-out-tp4570540p4594319.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pike-openmoko at kw.nl Thu Feb 18 23:06:07 2010 From: pike-openmoko at kw.nl (pike) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:06:07 +0100 Subject: [SHR-U] org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM & SQLite Message-ID: <4B7DB9CF.4030406@kw.nl> Hi It seems, when I select SQLite as a backend for my sms messages, I can't retrieve incoming messages using org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM By for example http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.html;hb=HEAD#RetrieveMessagebook The above works if I select the SIM as a backend for sms messages. It looks like SQLite is implemented somewhere between PIM and SIM. If that's documented somewhere, I'm afraid I couldn't find it. Can anyone confirm that, or is there something wrong with my installation ? thanks, *-pike From shulyaka at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 01:03:32 2010 From: shulyaka at gmail.com (Denis Shulyaka) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 03:03:32 +0300 Subject: [SHR-U] WiFi-related memory leak Message-ID: <8f5e497b1002181603l2cb4bdc7pfee203eeae730365@mail.gmail.com> Hi! I'm using the latest SHR unstable. I experience some problems with WiFi. When I enable WiFi and connect to an AP, it works well for about half an hour. Then all the applications begin to respond more and more slowly, and then kernel starts killing everything until it kills wpa_supplicant or Xorg. Now I can't use my freerunner for downloading torrents with transmission-daemon over night any more) Is it a known problem, or I have unique combination of AP software and FR settings? From vancel at thespazcat.com Fri Feb 19 01:18:32 2010 From: vancel at thespazcat.com (vancel35) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:18:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SHR-U] WiFi-related memory leak In-Reply-To: <8f5e497b1002181603l2cb4bdc7pfee203eeae730365@mail.gmail.com> References: <8f5e497b1002181603l2cb4bdc7pfee203eeae730365@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1266538712444-4595313.post@n2.nabble.com> I don't know if what I saw was the same problem, but I left mine on my wifi ovenight and when I woke up, it wasn't responding very quickly, but as far as I know, nothing had been killed. I didn't even think about the Wifi being the problem. If it's data-related, I probably didn't have enough data passing to cause a problem. -Laura -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/SHR-U-WiFi-related-memory-leak-tp4595250p4595313.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Fri Feb 19 09:06:03 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:06:03 +0200 Subject: [SHR-U] WiFi-related memory leak In-Reply-To: <8f5e497b1002181603l2cb4bdc7pfee203eeae730365@mail.gmail.com> (Denis Shulyaka's message of "Fri\, 19 Feb 2010 03\:03\:32 +0300") References: <8f5e497b1002181603l2cb4bdc7pfee203eeae730365@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84k4u9k5uc.fsf@sauna.l.org> Denis Shulyaka writes: > Is it a known problem, or I have unique combination of AP software and > FR settings? Never heard of such a problem. Can you make it happen again? Write a cron job that logs the output of "ps axuf" to file every 30 minutes for example. This makes it easy to see if some process is consuming more and more memory. From omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org Fri Feb 19 09:42:54 2010 From: omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org (omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:42:54 +0100 Subject: [SHR-U] WiFi-related memory leak In-Reply-To: <1266538712444-4595313.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <8f5e497b1002181603l2cb4bdc7pfee203eeae730365@mail.gmail.com> <1266538712444-4595313.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20100219094254.c5c90539.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:18:32 -0800 (PST) vancel35 wrote: > > I don't know if what I saw was the same problem, but I left mine on my wifi > ovenight and when I woke up, it wasn't responding very quickly, but as far > as I know, nothing had been killed. > > I didn't even think about the Wifi being the problem. If it's data-related, > I probably didn't have enough data passing to cause a problem. > > -Laura I've had something similar, compiling a big project on the Freerunner with swap enabled, wifi on. Before I started, some RAM was free, after it finished (about 6h), and I closed all programs to match the previous state, the system was much less responsive, RAM was nearly full and 50MB of swap was used. All programs seemed to have normal reserved memory footprints. The above details are not to be trusted, I could have overlooked something important. Maybe it has something to do with memory fragmentation? Or maybe it's sd-related? Cheers, rhn From billk at iinet.net.au Fri Feb 19 10:25:50 2010 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:25:50 +0800 Subject: [SHR-U] WiFi-related memory leak In-Reply-To: <20100219094254.c5c90539.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> References: <8f5e497b1002181603l2cb4bdc7pfee203eeae730365@mail.gmail.com> <1266538712444-4595313.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100219094254.c5c90539.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> Message-ID: <1266571550.14133.96.camel@rattus> On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 09:42 +0100, omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org wrote: > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:18:32 -0800 (PST) > vancel35 wrote: > > > > > I don't know if what I saw was the same problem, but I left mine on my wifi > > ovenight and when I woke up, it wasn't responding very quickly, but as far > > as I know, nothing had been killed. > > > > I didn't even think about the Wifi being the problem. If it's data-related, > > I probably didn't have enough data passing to cause a problem. > > > > -Laura > > I've had something similar, compiling a big project on the Freerunner with swap enabled, wifi on. > Before I started, some RAM was free, after it finished (about 6h), and I closed all programs to match the previous state, the system was much less responsive, RAM was nearly full and 50MB of swap was used. All programs seemed to have normal reserved memory footprints. > > The above details are not to be trusted, I could have overlooked something important. > > Maybe it has something to do with memory fragmentation? Or maybe it's sd-related? > > Cheers, > rhn > There was a report a while back of logs (which are on a tmpfs and therefore subtract from memory) filling up and causing problems. When on wifi is the FR generating lots of messages? What does "free" and "df -h" report? BillK From neiljerram at googlemail.com Fri Feb 19 10:56:53 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:56:53 +0000 Subject: [debian] ofono Message-ID: <49dd78621002190156g6f532afct43dce96c1928097b@mail.gmail.com> I'm vaguely interested in trying the ofono stack (as an alternative to FSO ogsmd). The current release is 0.18, and it looks from [1] as though this has built successfully for armel - but it doesn't seem to have made it into the armel repository yet. Can any Debian guru explain why not? Also, does anyone know of any ofono applications? (Apart from the test scripts in ofono's git.) [1] https://buildd.debian.org/pkg.cgi?pkg=ofono Regards, Neil From elektranox at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 11:11:18 2010 From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:11:18 +0100 Subject: [debian] ofono In-Reply-To: <49dd78621002190156g6f532afct43dce96c1928097b@mail.gmail.com> References: <49dd78621002190156g6f532afct43dce96c1928097b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100219101118.GA20652@earth.universe> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 09:56:53AM +0000, Neil Jerram wrote: > I'm vaguely interested in trying the ofono stack (as an alternative to > FSO ogsmd). > > The current release is 0.18, and it looks from [1] as though this has > built successfully for armel - but it doesn't seem to have made it > into the armel repository yet. Can any Debian guru explain why not? > > Also, does anyone know of any ofono applications? (Apart from the > test scripts in ofono's git.) > > [1] https://buildd.debian.org/pkg.cgi?pkg=ofono it is available: http://packages.debian.org/sid/ofono -- Sebastian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Neil From woutersj at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 12:10:20 2010 From: woutersj at gmail.com (Jeroen Wouters) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:10:20 +0100 Subject: [debian] ofono In-Reply-To: <49dd78621002190156g6f532afct43dce96c1928097b@mail.gmail.com> References: <49dd78621002190156g6f532afct43dce96c1928097b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7E719C.9000207@gmail.com> On 19.02.2010 10:56, Neil Jerram wrote: > Also, does anyone know of any ofono applications? (Apart from the > test scripts in ofono's git.) > There is yafono that provides Ofono support for Telepathy: http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Yafono I can't get it to build though. Then there is a distribution for the Freerunner called Neophysis. They are building their own framework and GUI on top of ofono: http://www.mail-archive.com/ofono at ofono.org/msg00807.html http://neophysis.sourceforge.net/images/neophysis-testing/ Jeroen From shulyaka at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 13:17:05 2010 From: shulyaka at gmail.com (Denis Shulyaka) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:17:05 +0300 Subject: [SHR-U] WiFi-related memory leak In-Reply-To: <84k4u9k5uc.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <8f5e497b1002181603l2cb4bdc7pfee203eeae730365@mail.gmail.com> <84k4u9k5uc.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <8f5e497b1002190417vdae6d3j112b20374f647f32@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/19 Timo Juhani Lindfors : > Never heard of such a problem. Can you make it happen again? Write a > cron job that logs the output of "ps axuf" to file every 30 minutes > for example. This makes it easy to see if some process is consuming > more and more memory. Yes, it happens every time and much faster than the whole night. I'll do some logging of `ps auxf`, `free` and `df -h` every 5 minutes. From rakshat at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 19:23:43 2010 From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 23:53:43 +0530 Subject: SHR Stable Party Message-ID: <69a2e4551002191023n1f855ad1na001b36210a23e96@mail.gmail.com> As promised I have put together a very basic framework of the SHR Stable release party planning page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_Party_Page Please go through it and add your information/ improve it/ send feedback. Currently it is only linked from the SHR page on the OM wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR#SHR.2FStable_release_party Please let me know the other places it should be linked from (main SHR wiki?) Rakshat -- -------------- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In my case, the network device is not even present... Can I do something about this? Bonus question: why does Debian feel (and compile stuff) so much faster than SHR? Cheers, rhn From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Fri Feb 19 20:35:30 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:35:30 +0200 Subject: Debian - issues In-Reply-To: <20100219195700.3a5f90de.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> (omcomali rhn's message of "Fri\, 19 Feb 2010 19\:57\:00 +0100") References: <20100219195700.3a5f90de.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> Message-ID: <84635tt3wd.fsf@sauna.l.org> omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org writes: > It's installed on SD card with multiple partitions, but how to mount > the other partitions? I couldn't find the relevant device files in > /dev, except for mtdX, which are character devices and probably > related to builtin NAND anyway. uname -r? dpkg -l udev? zgrep SYSFS /proc/config.gz | grep DEPRECATED? My guess is that you have too old kernel which does not work with your udev. > Another issue: wlan. I'm using a 2.6.29 kernel (I don't know if it's > the kernel I use on my primary SHR or Debian-installed one). I know > there are some WiFi problems with it, but my research suggested > people were able to use it sometimes. In my case, the network device > is not even present... Can I do something about this? We need to first know which kernel you have. > Bonus question: why does Debian feel (and compile stuff) so much > faster than SHR? No idea, you need to come up with some objective benchmarks :-) From elektranox at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 21:50:37 2010 From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:50:37 +0100 Subject: Debian - issues In-Reply-To: <84635tt3wd.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <20100219195700.3a5f90de.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> <84635tt3wd.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <20100219205037.GA7313@earth.universe> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 09:35:30PM +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org writes: > > It's installed on SD card with multiple partitions, but how to mount > > the other partitions? I couldn't find the relevant device files in > > /dev, except for mtdX, which are character devices and probably > > related to builtin NAND anyway. > > uname -r? > dpkg -l udev? > zgrep SYSFS /proc/config.gz | grep DEPRECATED? > > My guess is that you have too old kernel which does not work with your > udev. > > > Another issue: wlan. I'm using a 2.6.29 kernel (I don't know if it's > > the kernel I use on my primary SHR or Debian-installed one). I know > > there are some WiFi problems with it, but my research suggested > > people were able to use it sometimes. In my case, the network device > > is not even present... Can I do something about this? > > We need to first know which kernel you have. > > > Bonus question: why does Debian feel (and compile stuff) so much > > faster than SHR? > > No idea, you need to come up with some objective benchmarks :-) Hi, probably the kernel from the repository. DEPRECATED is still in there, I'm currently experimenting which stuff can be compiled as module and which things cannot. E.g. the vibrator doesn't work if compiled as module (after loading the module there is no file in /sys) The upload will finally disable DEPRECATED links in /sys. About the speed - The packages are compiled with -O2 and the kernel has the debugging stuff and preemption disabled. I heard wifi is sometimes not working as expected with the optimized kernel for unknown reasons. I haven't used wifi for quite some time, so I don't know all the details. -- Sebastian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I couldn't find the relevant device files in > > /dev, except for mtdX, which are character devices and probably > > related to builtin NAND anyway. > > uname -r? > dpkg -l udev? > zgrep SYSFS /proc/config.gz | grep DEPRECATED? > > My guess is that you have too old kernel which does not work with your > udev. Here are the results: debian> uname -r 2.6.29-20100118.gita15608f2 debian> dpkg -l udev Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Description +++-======================================-======================-============================================ ii udev 151-2 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon debian> zgrep SYSFS /proc/config.gz | grep DEPRECATED CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED=y CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2=y Doesn't Debian install its own kernel? uname -r on SHR gives 2.6.29-rc3 > > > Another issue: wlan. I'm using a 2.6.29 kernel (I don't know if it's > > the kernel I use on my primary SHR or Debian-installed one). I know > > there are some WiFi problems with it, but my research suggested > > people were able to use it sometimes. In my case, the network device > > is not even present... Can I do something about this? > > We need to first know which kernel you have. > > > Bonus question: why does Debian feel (and compile stuff) so much > > faster than SHR? > > No idea, you need to come up with some objective benchmarks :-) The thing I noticed first is the 6MB smaller memory footprint in Debian. As openembedded is specifically designed for devices with less memory, I expected it to be better... Compiling a program (peak memory usage during compilation >70MB) took twice the amount of time on SHR, but I don't think the swapping alone was the reason. I can post the "time g++" and "free" output for both systems. A synthetic benchmark (only the ending for brevity): shr> openssl speed sign verify sign/s verify/s rsa 512 bits 0.023652s 0.002222s 42.3 450.1 rsa 1024 bits 0.134795s 0.007125s 7.4 140.3 rsa 2048 bits 0.884167s 0.025219s 1.1 39.7 rsa 4096 bits 6.150000s 0.092828s 0.2 10.8 sign verify sign/s verify/s dsa 512 bits 0.021685s 0.024925s 46.1 40.1 dsa 1024 bits 0.070863s 0.083551s 14.1 12.0 dsa 2048 bits 0.254737s 0.304000s 3.9 3.3 debian> openssl speed sign verify sign/s verify/s rsa 512 bits 0.008735s 0.000819s 114.5 1220.9 rsa 1024 bits 0.041125s 0.002088s 24.3 478.9 rsa 2048 bits 0.237857s 0.006484s 4.2 154.2 rsa 4096 bits 1.604286s 0.022031s 0.6 45.4 sign verify sign/s verify/s dsa 512 bits 0.007156s 0.007992s 139.7 125.1 dsa 1024 bits 0.019780s 0.023389s 50.6 42.8 dsa 2048 bits 0.063590s 0.075344s 15.7 13.3 Turns out Debian is over twice as fast as SHR! What's the status of fso and shr-apps compared to SHR? Cheers, rhn From yoyo at om.ksp.sk Fri Feb 19 23:28:54 2010 From: yoyo at om.ksp.sk (Jozef Siska) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 23:28:54 +0100 Subject: problems getting android to run Message-ID: <20100219222854.GA11534@ksp.sk> Hi, I was trying to get adnroid running on my freerunner... I first tried the "automated install" (i put it o a fat-only sd, and then also on one with exactly one fat and one ext2 partition...) It booted, installed qi then showed a white screen and rebooted, the red led blinked (might be that it blinked multiple times very fast, hard to say..), vibrated and then stayed on the white screen The "blink" of the red led was shorter then a "normal" boot (I put in a sd card with shr on it and it booted ok, the red led blinked shortly (presumably for the first FAT partition) and then lighted-up for a longer time before the kernel came up...) I tried flashing the kernel and rootfs manualy through dfu-util (kernel.img and system.img, though I am not really sure if these are the right files...), but it seems that qi can't boot it. When trying without a sd card the red led lights up (for a longer time, like when I was able to boot shr from sd), it vibrates shortly 2 times and nothing else happens... With a sd card without a usable system, it just blinks and vibrates. The same happens, when I flash a shr kernel and rootfs to the neo, so it seems to be a qi problem... (NOR u-boot boots the shr kernel just fine..., gets a CRC error on the android kernel, which is what I expected...) Then I tried loading the kernel through dfu-util directly to memory and booting it, this booted the kernel, displayed a logo and stayed there... Is there any way to disable the logo / enable some debug output to see what is going on? I tried android-on-freerunner-cupcake-0.2.0-RC1.tar.gz and also android-on-freerunner-cupcake-daily-20100214.tar.bz2 and android-on-freerunner-master-daily-20100210.tar.bz2 from http://serdar-dere.net/~serdar/daily/ the "master" branch doesn't have the logo, so it shows a lot of output, I saw a lot of "nand_read_bbt: bad block..." mesasges, though if I boot up shr, I can mount and use the mtd partition without problems... (or if I flash and run SHR from nand...) the last screenfull of messages looked like: init: cannot find '/system/bin/ifconfig', disabling 'usb-ether' init: command 'class_start' r=0 init: processing action 0x37c20 (boot) init: command 'mount' r=0 a lot of init: command 'chown' r=0 and 'setprop' r=0 ... init: processing action 0x34e40 (property: persist.service.adb.enable=1) init: starting adbd init: command 'start' r =0 s3c-ohci s3c-ohci: susped root hub and that it stayed there... Btw, for any "it stayed there" I usually went doing another things and left it few times for even an hour... So I guess it certainly wasn't doing anything... ;) Any hints / suggestions? yoyo From neiljerram at googlemail.com Fri Feb 19 23:49:24 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:49:24 +0000 Subject: [debian] ofono In-Reply-To: <4B7E719C.9000207@gmail.com> References: <49dd78621002190156g6f532afct43dce96c1928097b@mail.gmail.com> <4B7E719C.9000207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49dd78621002191449u4a7f2518geb77ce32cf8052d9@mail.gmail.com> On 19 February 2010 11:10, Jeroen Wouters wrote: > There is yafono that provides Ofono support for Telepathy: > http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Yafono > I can't get it to build though. Thanks for your suggestions! Telepathy is interesting for the longer term, but even if it did build I don't think that's what I want right now - too many layers. > Then there is a distribution for the Freerunner called Neophysis. They > are building their own framework and GUI on top of ofono: > http://www.mail-archive.com/ofono at ofono.org/msg00807.html > http://neophysis.sourceforge.net/images/neophysis-testing/ Yes, indeed. Unfortunately it seems that none of neophysis's code browsing options (svn and git at sourceforge) is working yet... but I suppose it should be easy to extract the test ncurses GUI from their tarball. (I'm not personally attracted by the option of installing a complete new distribution.) Regards, Neil From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Fri Feb 19 23:58:53 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 00:58:53 +0200 Subject: Debian - issues In-Reply-To: <20100219222022.8ef4cc43.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> (omcomali rhn's message of "Fri\, 19 Feb 2010 22\:20\:22 +0100") References: <20100219195700.3a5f90de.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> <84635tt3wd.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20100219222022.8ef4cc43.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> Message-ID: <84aav4kf2q.fsf@sauna.l.org> omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org writes: > debian> uname -r > 2.6.29-20100118.gita15608f2 udev was changed recently and it does not work with this kernel. You probably need to wait for a new version to be uploaded. >> > Another issue: wlan. I'm using a 2.6.29 kernel (I don't know if it's This a known regression. #2327 wifi sometimes fails to start with "ar6000_activate: Failed to activate -4" when DEBUG_KERNEL/PREEMPT are disabled -- http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2327 [pkg-fso-maint] linux-2.6-openmoko-20100118.gita15608f and wlan/touchscreen bugs? -- http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-fso-maint/2010-February/002590.html > A synthetic benchmark (only the ending for brevity): The kernel you are using has CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL disabled. Disabling debugging makes things faster but also causes the wlan and touchscreen bugs. From elektranox at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 00:27:33 2010 From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 00:27:33 +0100 Subject: Debian - issues In-Reply-To: <20100219222022.8ef4cc43.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> References: <20100219195700.3a5f90de.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> <84635tt3wd.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20100219222022.8ef4cc43.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> Message-ID: <20100219232733.GA13061@earth.universe> > Turns out Debian is over twice as fast as SHR! Probably SHR uses still the kernel with debug stuff enabled. The speedup of this is enormous :) > What's the status of fso and shr-apps compared to SHR? SHR on Debian is working, it's a git checkout from around one week ago [1]. You need to install phoneui-apps and libphone-ui-shr. With the next upload it will be enough to install phoneui-apps. FSO on Debian is using fsousaged (2010-01-06) from cornucopia and frameworkd (2010-01-31) for the remaining daemons. [1] http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/shr.html -- Sebastian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100220/f68a0c18/attachment.pgp From serdar at serdar-dere.net Sat Feb 20 01:23:38 2010 From: serdar at serdar-dere.net (Serdar Dere) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 01:23:38 +0100 Subject: problems getting android to run In-Reply-To: <20100219222854.GA11534@ksp.sk> References: <20100219222854.GA11534@ksp.sk> Message-ID: <4B7F2B8A.70303@serdar-dere.net> Hi Jozef, how did you tried it? here is a short review: unpack contents of tar.gz to fat run nor boot from micro sd that should work -- flashing kernel.img to kernel and system.img to rootfs should also work (if you are able to use usb cable to flash) master/eclair is experimental if you want to try you can do it. Useing only sd for booting should work too, there must be an issue at googlecodes. We are trying to think a new solution of the installer so we can use every qi we want and not reflash it everytime Greetings Serdar Am 19.02.10 23:28, schrieb Jozef Siska: > Hi, > > I was trying to get adnroid running on my freerunner... > > I first tried the "automated install" (i put it o a fat-only sd, and then > also on one with exactly one fat and one ext2 partition...) > It booted, installed qi then showed a white screen and rebooted, the red > led blinked (might be that it blinked multiple times very fast, hard to > say..), vibrated and then stayed on the white screen > > The "blink" of the red led was shorter then a "normal" boot (I put > in a sd card with shr on it and it booted ok, the red led blinked > shortly (presumably for the first FAT partition) and then lighted-up for > a longer time before the kernel came up...) > > > I tried flashing the kernel and rootfs manualy through dfu-util > (kernel.img and system.img, though I am not really sure if these are the > right files...), but it seems that qi can't boot it. > When trying without a sd card the red led lights up (for a longer time, > like when I was able to boot shr from sd), it vibrates shortly 2 times > and nothing else happens... > With a sd card without a usable system, it just blinks and vibrates. > > The same happens, when I flash a shr kernel and rootfs to the neo, so it > seems to be a qi problem... (NOR u-boot boots the shr kernel just > fine..., gets a CRC error on the android kernel, which is what I expected...) > > Then I tried loading the kernel through dfu-util directly to memory and > booting it, this booted the kernel, displayed a logo and stayed > there... > > Is there any way to disable the logo / enable some debug output to see > what is going on? > > I tried android-on-freerunner-cupcake-0.2.0-RC1.tar.gz > and also > android-on-freerunner-cupcake-daily-20100214.tar.bz2 > and > android-on-freerunner-master-daily-20100210.tar.bz2 > from http://serdar-dere.net/~serdar/daily/ > > > the "master" branch doesn't have the logo, so it shows a lot of output, > I saw a lot of "nand_read_bbt: bad block..." mesasges, though if I boot > up shr, I can mount and use the mtd partition without problems... > (or if I flash and run SHR from nand...) > > the last screenfull of messages looked like: > init: cannot find '/system/bin/ifconfig', disabling 'usb-ether' > init: command 'class_start' r=0 > init: processing action 0x37c20 (boot) > init: command 'mount' r=0 > a lot of > init: command 'chown' r=0 > and 'setprop' r=0 > ... > init: processing action 0x34e40 (property: persist.service.adb.enable=1) > init: starting adbd > init: command 'start' r =0 > s3c-ohci s3c-ohci: susped root hub > > and that it stayed there... > > Btw, for any "it stayed there" I usually went doing another things and > left it few times for even an hour... So I guess it certainly wasn't > doing anything... ;) > > Any hints / suggestions? > > yoyo > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From yoyo at om.ksp.sk Sat Feb 20 01:57:23 2010 From: yoyo at om.ksp.sk (Jozef Siska) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 01:57:23 +0100 Subject: problems getting android to run In-Reply-To: <4B7F2B8A.70303@serdar-dere.net> References: <20100219222854.GA11534@ksp.sk> <4B7F2B8A.70303@serdar-dere.net> Message-ID: <20100220005723.GB7439@ksp.sk> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 01:23:38AM +0100, Serdar Dere wrote: > Hi Jozef, > > how did you tried it? > here is a short review: > unpack contents of tar.gz to fat > run nor > boot from micro sd > that should work > -- yes, I put the files on a fat (i tried a sd card with a single fat partition and another with a fat and an ext2 partition), then booted it through NOR u-boot, it started, installed qi, rebooted and got stuck at the white screen... it seems that qi cannot load the kernel from nand or something like that, because it can start SHR I have on an sd card... > flashing kernel.img to kernel and system.img to rootfs should also work > (if you are able to use usb cable to flash) I tried that, but still qi can't load/start the kernel... I wanted to at least try it, so I booted the kernel by starting NOR u-boot, using dfu-util to upload the kernel to memory and booting it with uboot: dfu-util -a 0 -D kernel.img -R and then in uboot: setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts} ro loglevel=8; bootm 0x32000000 (I used that some time ago to boot some of the first versions of andoroid, as I didn't want to replace u-boot at that time ;) This started the kernel, displayed the android/freerunner logo and didn't go any further... so I tried master, because that doesn't have the logo, booted it in the same way and it stopped with the output I wrote in the original mail... yoyo > master/eclair is experimental if you want to try you can do it. > > Useing only sd for booting should work too, there must be an issue at > googlecodes. > We are trying to think a new solution of the installer so we can use > every qi we want and not reflash it everytime > > Greetings Serdar > Am 19.02.10 23:28, schrieb Jozef Siska: > > Hi, > > > > I was trying to get adnroid running on my freerunner... > > > > I first tried the "automated install" (i put it o a fat-only sd, and then > > also on one with exactly one fat and one ext2 partition...) > > It booted, installed qi then showed a white screen and rebooted, the red > > led blinked (might be that it blinked multiple times very fast, hard to > > say..), vibrated and then stayed on the white screen > > > > The "blink" of the red led was shorter then a "normal" boot (I put > > in a sd card with shr on it and it booted ok, the red led blinked > > shortly (presumably for the first FAT partition) and then lighted-up for > > a longer time before the kernel came up...) > > > > > > I tried flashing the kernel and rootfs manualy through dfu-util > > (kernel.img and system.img, though I am not really sure if these are the > > right files...), but it seems that qi can't boot it. > > When trying without a sd card the red led lights up (for a longer time, > > like when I was able to boot shr from sd), it vibrates shortly 2 times > > and nothing else happens... > > With a sd card without a usable system, it just blinks and vibrates. > > > > The same happens, when I flash a shr kernel and rootfs to the neo, so it > > seems to be a qi problem... (NOR u-boot boots the shr kernel just > > fine..., gets a CRC error on the android kernel, which is what I expected...) > > > > Then I tried loading the kernel through dfu-util directly to memory and > > booting it, this booted the kernel, displayed a logo and stayed > > there... > > > > Is there any way to disable the logo / enable some debug output to see > > what is going on? > > > > I tried android-on-freerunner-cupcake-0.2.0-RC1.tar.gz > > and also > > android-on-freerunner-cupcake-daily-20100214.tar.bz2 > > and > > android-on-freerunner-master-daily-20100210.tar.bz2 > > from http://serdar-dere.net/~serdar/daily/ > > > > > > the "master" branch doesn't have the logo, so it shows a lot of output, > > I saw a lot of "nand_read_bbt: bad block..." mesasges, though if I boot > > up shr, I can mount and use the mtd partition without problems... > > (or if I flash and run SHR from nand...) > > > > the last screenfull of messages looked like: > > init: cannot find '/system/bin/ifconfig', disabling 'usb-ether' > > init: command 'class_start' r=0 > > init: processing action 0x37c20 (boot) > > init: command 'mount' r=0 > > a lot of > > init: command 'chown' r=0 > > and 'setprop' r=0 > > ... > > init: processing action 0x34e40 (property: persist.service.adb.enable=1) > > init: starting adbd > > init: command 'start' r =0 > > s3c-ohci s3c-ohci: susped root hub > > > > and that it stayed there... > > > > Btw, for any "it stayed there" I usually went doing another things and > > left it few times for even an hour... So I guess it certainly wasn't > > doing anything... ;) > > > > Any hints / suggestions? > > > > yoyo > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- _ | icq: 177861806 jabber: yoyo at jabber.cz YoYo () Siska web: http://people.ksp.sk/~yoyo/ From david at tuxbrain.com Sat Feb 20 02:40:05 2010 From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 02:40:05 +0100 Subject: SHR Stable Party In-Reply-To: <69a2e4551002191023n1f855ad1na001b36210a23e96@mail.gmail.com> References: <69a2e4551002191023n1f855ad1na001b36210a23e96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5c6ceea81002191740u5020ad15nb6836ce1bd44a029@mail.gmail.com> I like the idea :) Bacelona people what do you think? rakshat propone hacer una party el mes que vuene el dia en que shr testing pase a stable, algun bareto en el que podamos quedar y hacer una birra para celebrarlo? Hacer una paralela en Madrid? 2010/2/19 rakshat hooja : > As promised I? have put together a very basic framework of the SHR Stable > release party planning page > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_Party_Page > > Please go through it and add your information/ improve it/ send feedback. > > Currently it is only linked from the SHR page on the OM wiki > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR#SHR.2FStable_release_party > > Please let me know the other places it should be linked from (main SHR > wiki?) > > > Rakshat > > -- > -------------- > Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is > also a very feature rich browser. > www.firefox.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Ben NanoNote, Arduino, Openmoko Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! From alishams at interchange.ubc.ca Sat Feb 20 05:12:40 2010 From: alishams at interchange.ubc.ca (Alishams Hassam) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:12:40 -0800 Subject: FOSS GSM baseband Message-ID: <1266639160.28048.93.camel@localhost> yay, someone is working on free gsm baseband software! It is called OsmocomBB and is found here: http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/ They're not targeting the freerunner but some Calypso that is different from ours. They claim different calypsos should be "easy enough" to port to. My geek bone is tingling. From ba1020 at homie.homelinux.net Sat Feb 20 13:45:28 2010 From: ba1020 at homie.homelinux.net (Juergen Schinker) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 12:45:28 +0000 Subject: FOSS GSM baseband In-Reply-To: <1266639160.28048.93.camel@localhost> References: <1266639160.28048.93.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4B7FD968.9010405@homie.homelinux.net> Alishams Hassam wrote: > yay, someone is working on free gsm baseband software! It is called > OsmocomBB and is found here: http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/ They're not > targeting the freerunner but some Calypso that is different from ours. > They claim different calypsos should be "easy enough" to port to. My > geek bone is tingling. > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > this someone is very well known and is Harald Welte and friends From omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org Sat Feb 20 14:04:03 2010 From: omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org (omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:04:03 +0100 Subject: Debian - issues In-Reply-To: <20100219222022.8ef4cc43.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> References: <20100219195700.3a5f90de.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> <84635tt3wd.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20100219222022.8ef4cc43.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> Message-ID: <20100220140403.4c021fed.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> Thanks for the responses! I thought the debug-disabled kernel gave only ~20% speedup, that's a nice surprise! I guess I'm going to wait for a new kernel as Timo suggested. By the way, can any of the Debian gurus suggest an easy way to rebuild a Debian package with different build options? And would a shared library built this way work on SHR? Cheers, rhn From elektranox at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 15:13:37 2010 From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 15:13:37 +0100 Subject: Debian - issues In-Reply-To: <20100220140403.4c021fed.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> References: <20100219195700.3a5f90de.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> <84635tt3wd.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20100219222022.8ef4cc43.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> <20100220140403.4c021fed.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> Message-ID: <20100220141337.GB21135@earth.universe> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 02:04:03PM +0100, omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org wrote: > I guess I'm going to wait for a new kernel as Timo suggested. I guess I will upload one later today. It will require loading more modules @ boot time. I hope this will ease migration to the normal Debian kernel once it's ready :) > By the way, can any of the Debian gurus suggest an easy way to rebuild a Debian > package with different build options? And would a shared library built this way > work on SHR? roughly said it can be done like this: apt-get source $package edit the debian/rules file according to your needs dpkg-buildpackage I'm not sure what you mean by the last sentence. If you change e.g. libphone-ui you just have to make sure, that the ABI remains the same. Btw. which build options are you talking about? -- Sebastian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's an example: 1) apt-get source nano 2) cd nano* 3) edit debian/rules and look for the call to "../configure" 4) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot 5) you can now find binary packages in .. From nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com Sat Feb 20 16:43:36 2010 From: nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com (Niels Heyvaert) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 15:43:36 +0000 Subject: problems getting android to run In-Reply-To: <20100220005723.GB7439@ksp.sk> References: <20100219222854.GA11534@ksp.sk> <4B7F2B8A.70303@serdar-dere.net>,<20100220005723.GB7439@ksp.sk> Message-ID: >>> >>> Any hints / suggestions? Hi yoyo, You could consider posting your AoF related questions on the AoF mailing list: http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner Niels. _________________________________________________________________ Lentekriebels? Speel samen met je vrienden de spelletjes die Windows Live je aanbiedt! http://www.messengerbillboard.be/nl/play From pba at mailme.dk Sat Feb 20 18:13:57 2010 From: pba at mailme.dk (pbondo) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:13:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Voice quality on FreeRunner A7 ? Message-ID: <1266686037402-4603533.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi folks My current FreeRunner A6 (buzz fixed) has at best had a medium voice quality during phone calls. I.e. I could heat the other party well, but (s)he could only hear me just about acceptable. Now my phone has started freezing on me. I believe it is a hardware problem so I plan to toss it away (or use it as a developer phone). I have then borrowed another buzz fixed A6 from a friend. It does not freeze (with the same SDCard), but the voice quality on the other end of a phone call is just plain awful. I am considering buying a new A7+ simply because there some things about this phone and the software that I like :-) However I would like to hear about other peoples experiences with voice quality on A7 phones e.g. compared to other mobile phones. Have they just fixed the buzz, or can I expect a good voice quality on phone calls ? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Voice-quality-on-FreeRunner-A7-tp4603533p4603533.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From elektranox at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 18:41:30 2010 From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:41:30 +0100 Subject: Debian - issues In-Reply-To: <84wry8hsk4.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <20100219195700.3a5f90de.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> <84635tt3wd.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20100219222022.8ef4cc43.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> <20100220140403.4c021fed.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> <84wry8hsk4.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <20100220174129.GA23555@earth.universe> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 04:48:11PM +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org writes: > > By the way, can any of the Debian gurus suggest an easy way to > > rebuild a Debian package with different build options? And would a > > shared library built this way work on SHR? > > 3) edit debian/rules and look for the call to "../configure" as you were talking about SHR - there's no configure call in the rules files of SHR packages since I use CDBS for packaging. Just add this line to the rules file: DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS = --my-cool-parameter -- Sebastian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100220/acc457cb/attachment.pgp From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Sat Feb 20 18:51:55 2010 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:51:55 +0000 Subject: Voice quality on FreeRunner A7 ? In-Reply-To: <1266686037402-4603533.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1266686037402-4603533.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <201002201751.55352.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Saturday 20 February 2010, pbondo wrote: > Hi folks > > My current FreeRunner A6 (buzz fixed) has at best had a medium voice > quality during phone calls. I.e. I could heat the other party well, but > (s)he could only hear me just about acceptable. Now my phone has started > freezing on me. I believe it is a hardware problem so I plan to toss it > away (or use it as a developer phone). > > I have then borrowed another buzz fixed A6 from a friend. It does not > freeze (with the same SDCard), but the voice quality on the other end of a > phone call is just plain awful. Describe 'awful'. It probably just needs a tweak to the volume settings, and we can help with that. With the right volume settings my FR is on a par with my k700i. > I am considering buying a new A7+ simply because there some things about > this phone and the software that I like :-) > > However I would like to hear about other peoples experiences with voice > quality on A7 phones e.g. compared to other mobile phones. Have they just > fixed the buzz, or can I expect a good voice quality on phone calls ? Audio is AFAIK the same as a buzz-fixed A5 and A6. From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Sat Feb 20 18:56:42 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:56:42 +0200 Subject: Debian - issues In-Reply-To: <20100220174129.GA23555@earth.universe> (Sebastian Reichel's message of "Sat\, 20 Feb 2010 18\:41\:30 +0100") References: <20100219195700.3a5f90de.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> <84635tt3wd.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20100219222022.8ef4cc43.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> <20100220140403.4c021fed.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> <84wry8hsk4.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20100220174129.GA23555@earth.universe> Message-ID: <84mxz3iyed.fsf@sauna.l.org> Sebastian Reichel writes: > as you were talking about SHR - there's no configure call in the Ah, it's very confusing that SHR is both the name of a distribution and a program? From elektranox at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 19:12:17 2010 From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:12:17 +0100 Subject: Debian - issues In-Reply-To: <84mxz3iyed.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <20100219195700.3a5f90de.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> <84635tt3wd.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20100219222022.8ef4cc43.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> <20100220140403.4c021fed.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> <84wry8hsk4.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20100220174129.GA23555@earth.universe> <84mxz3iyed.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <20100220181217.GA23699@earth.universe> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 07:56:42PM +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > Sebastian Reichel writes: > > as you were talking about SHR - there's no configure call in the > > Ah, it's very confusing that SHR is both the name of a distribution > and a program? it's a distribution and they wrote their own phone stack, but none of their programs is called shr :) Actually their old software stack had shr in its application's names, but now they switched to include phone in the names of their apps. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100220/a0ca61de/attachment-0001.pgp From lukpank at o2.pl Sat Feb 20 19:17:36 2010 From: lukpank at o2.pl (=?utf-8?Q?=C5=81ukasz?= Pankowski) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:17:36 +0100 Subject: ffalarms 0.3.2 -- editing of recurring alarms In-Reply-To: <87ljiryczn.fsf_-_@ash.lupan-home> (=?utf-8?Q?=22=C5=81ukasz?= Pankowski"'s message of "Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:17:00 +0100") References: <87d4arn78c.fsf@ash.lupan-home> <200910282008.50661.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <20091028211358.53c75f22@vanek.robe.cz> <200910282132.04017.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <20091028223910.2dc09875@vanek.robe.cz> <1256771497.13762.9.camel@rattus> <87r5sl7qye.fsf@ash.lupan-home> <1256858070.13762.540.camel@rattus> <1cc7690910300814h153fee4frdb02f4ffe480e178@mail.gmail.com> <87ljiryczn.fsf_-_@ash.lupan-home> Message-ID: <87tytblqkf.fsf_-_@ash.lupan-home> Hi all, I have just released new ffalarms 0.3.2 Notes: - add editing of recurring alarms - clicking anywhere inside summary box activates it (closes: #300) - compiles with current libeflvala (a18c70a, 2010-01-26) Download (if you want it before it hits SHR-u): http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=260&release_id=594 The source code is now hosted in a git repository at http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=ffalarms.git;a=summary Next TODO: - snoozing (as always no time guaranty) From omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org Sat Feb 20 19:23:47 2010 From: omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org (omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:23:47 +0100 Subject: Debian - issues In-Reply-To: <20100220141337.GB21135@earth.universe> References: <20100219195700.3a5f90de.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> <84635tt3wd.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20100219222022.8ef4cc43.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> <20100220140403.4c021fed.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> <20100220141337.GB21135@earth.universe> Message-ID: <20100220192347.4e7111c0.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 15:13:37 +0100 Sebastian Reichel wrote: > On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 02:04:03PM +0100, omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org wrote: > > I guess I'm going to wait for a new kernel as Timo suggested. > > I guess I will upload one later today. It will require loading more > modules @ boot time. I hope this will ease migration to the normal > Debian kernel once it's ready :) > > > By the way, can any of the Debian gurus suggest an easy way to rebuild a Debian > > package with different build options? And would a shared library built this way > > work on SHR? > > roughly said it can be done like this: > > apt-get source $package > edit the debian/rules file according to your needs > dpkg-buildpackage > > I'm not sure what you mean by the last sentence. If you change e.g. > libphone-ui you just have to make sure, that the ABI remains the > same. Btw. which build options are you talking about? > > -- Sebastian > Thanks, I'm going to give it a try. Well, I meant mostly the ABI, processor type and possible incompatibilities I have no idea about. The reason behind it: I've had trouble building a package on SHR or openembedded cross-toolchain, so I tried to hack the problem away using LD_LIBRARY_PATH with Debian /usr/lib, but it resulted in illegal instructions. I don't know the exact reason (different ABI? incompatible library versions?), so I was asking just in case. The package is mrpt-libs, and the build options are its dependencies on various big packages I don't need or want, e.g. OpenCV. Cheers, rhn From omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org Sat Feb 20 19:26:37 2010 From: omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org (omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:26:37 +0100 Subject: Debian - issues In-Reply-To: <20100220181217.GA23699@earth.universe> References: <20100219195700.3a5f90de.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> <84635tt3wd.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20100219222022.8ef4cc43.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> <20100220140403.4c021fed.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> <84wry8hsk4.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20100220174129.GA23555@earth.universe> <84mxz3iyed.fsf@sauna.l.org> <20100220181217.GA23699@earth.universe> Message-ID: <20100220192637.3ac9906f.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:12:17 +0100 Sebastian Reichel wrote: > I just guessed he meant the software stack of them because their > distribution uses openembedded and not *.deb files ;) > > -- Sebastian That's right, SHR as in the distribution. I hope my other post cleared that up ;) Cheers, rhn From qmaster at rambler.ru Sat Feb 20 19:39:34 2010 From: qmaster at rambler.ru (Vladimir Berezenko) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:39:34 +0300 Subject: ffalarms 0.3.2 -- editing of recurring alarms In-Reply-To: <87tytblqkf.fsf_-_@ash.lupan-home> References: <87d4arn78c.fsf@ash.lupan-home> <200910282008.50661.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <20091028211358.53c75f22@vanek.robe.cz> <200910282132.04017.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <20091028223910.2dc09875@vanek.robe.cz> <1256771497.13762.9.camel@rattus> <87r5sl7qye.fsf@ash.lupan-home> <1256858070.13762.540.camel@rattus> <1cc7690910300814h153fee4frdb02f4ffe480e178@mail.gmail.com> <87ljiryczn.fsf_-_@ash.lupan-home> <87tytblqkf.fsf_-_@ash.lupan-home> Message-ID: <1266691174.7474.9.camel@Q-Masters> ? ???, 20/02/2010 ? 19:17 +0100, ?ukasz Pankowski ?????: > I have just released new ffalarms 0.3.2 > > Notes: > - add editing of recurring alarms Can you plz also implement enabling and disabling already used alarms? It's very annoying to delete and create alarm any time you just need to use other time once or twice... -- WBR, Vladimir Berezenko From lukpank at o2.pl Sat Feb 20 20:36:34 2010 From: lukpank at o2.pl (=?utf-8?Q?=C5=81ukasz?= Pankowski) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:36:34 +0100 Subject: ffalarms 0.3.2 -- editing of recurring alarms In-Reply-To: <1266691174.7474.9.camel@Q-Masters> (Vladimir Berezenko's message of "Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:39:34 +0300") References: <87d4arn78c.fsf@ash.lupan-home> <200910282008.50661.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <20091028211358.53c75f22@vanek.robe.cz> <200910282132.04017.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <20091028223910.2dc09875@vanek.robe.cz> <1256771497.13762.9.camel@rattus> <87r5sl7qye.fsf@ash.lupan-home> <1256858070.13762.540.camel@rattus> <1cc7690910300814h153fee4frdb02f4ffe480e178@mail.gmail.com> <87ljiryczn.fsf_-_@ash.lupan-home> <87tytblqkf.fsf_-_@ash.lupan-home> <1266691174.7474.9.camel@Q-Masters> Message-ID: <87zl33k8cd.fsf@ash.lupan-home> Vladimir Berezenko writes: > ? ???, 20/02/2010 ? 19:17 +0100, ?ukasz Pankowski ?????: > >> I have just released new ffalarms 0.3.2 >> >> Notes: >> - add editing of recurring alarms > > Can you plz also implement enabling and disabling already used alarms? > It's very annoying to delete and create alarm any time you just need to > use other time once or twice... You can currently move start date to the far away future (although it may take comparable time to deleting and recreating the alarm). If I find the good GUI for that I may support it (but it is not a priority now). From pino.otto at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 20:53:17 2010 From: pino.otto at gmail.com (Giovanni) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:53:17 +0100 Subject: SHR Stable Party In-Reply-To: <5c6ceea81002191740u5020ad15nb6836ce1bd44a029@mail.gmail.com> References: <69a2e4551002191023n1f855ad1na001b36210a23e96@mail.gmail.com> <5c6ceea81002191740u5020ad15nb6836ce1bd44a029@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Anyone in Turin, Italy? ciao jo On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 2:40 AM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez < david at tuxbrain.com> wrote: > I like the idea :) Bacelona people what do you think? > rakshat propone hacer una party el mes que vuene el dia en que shr > testing pase a stable, algun bareto en el que podamos quedar y hacer > una birra para celebrarlo? > Hacer una paralela en Madrid? > 2010/2/19 rakshat hooja : > > As promised I have put together a very basic framework of the SHR Stable > > release party planning page > > > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_Party_Page > > > > Please go through it and add your information/ improve it/ send feedback. > > > > Currently it is only linked from the SHR page on the OM wiki > > > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR#SHR.2FStable_release_party > > > > Please let me know the other places it should be linked from (main SHR > > wiki?) > > > > > > Rakshat > > > > -- > > -------------- > > Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and > is > > also a very feature rich browser. > > www.firefox.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > -- > David Reyes Samblas Martinez > http://www.tuxbrain.com > Open ultraportable & embedded solutions > Ben NanoNote, Arduino, Openmoko > Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100220/eafabfed/attachment.htm From rakshat at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 20:58:23 2010 From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 01:28:23 +0530 Subject: SHR Stable Party In-Reply-To: References: <69a2e4551002191023n1f855ad1na001b36210a23e96@mail.gmail.com> <5c6ceea81002191740u5020ad15nb6836ce1bd44a029@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69a2e4551002201158t62ac168x6a3b34dfcffeb36b@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Giovanni wrote: > Anyone in Turin, Italy? > > ciao > jo > > Please add your name and Turin to the wiki page > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_Party_Page Rakshat > > > As promised I have put together a very basic framework of the SHR >> Stable >> > release party planning page >> > >> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_Party_Page >> > >> > Please go through it and add your information/ improve it/ send >> feedback. >> > >> > Currently it is only linked from the SHR page on the OM wiki >> > >> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR#SHR.2FStable_release_party >> > >> > Please let me know the other places it should be linked from (main SHR >> > wiki?) >> > >> > >> > Rakshat >> > >> > -- >> > -------------- >> > Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware >> and is >> > also a very feature rich browser. >> > www.firefox.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Openmoko community mailing list >> > community at lists.openmoko.org >> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> David Reyes Samblas Martinez >> http://www.tuxbrain.com >> Open ultraportable & embedded solutions >> Ben NanoNote, Arduino, Openmoko >> Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- -------------- Please use Firefox as your web browser. 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URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100220/ecf3003c/attachment.htm From pino.otto at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 21:29:47 2010 From: pino.otto at gmail.com (Giovanni) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:29:47 +0100 Subject: SHR Stable Party In-Reply-To: <69a2e4551002201158t62ac168x6a3b34dfcffeb36b@mail.gmail.com> References: <69a2e4551002191023n1f855ad1na001b36210a23e96@mail.gmail.com> <5c6ceea81002191740u5020ad15nb6836ce1bd44a029@mail.gmail.com> <69a2e4551002201158t62ac168x6a3b34dfcffeb36b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: done ciao jo On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 8:58 PM, rakshat hooja wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Giovanni wrote: > >> Anyone in Turin, Italy? >> >> ciao >> jo >> >> Please add your name and Turin to the wiki page >> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_Party_Page > > Rakshat > > > > > >> >> > As promised I have put together a very basic framework of the SHR >>> Stable >>> > release party planning page >>> > >>> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_Party_Page >>> > >>> > Please go through it and add your information/ improve it/ send >>> feedback. >>> > >>> > Currently it is only linked from the SHR page on the OM wiki >>> > >>> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR#SHR.2FStable_release_party >>> > >>> > Please let me know the other places it should be linked from (main SHR >>> > wiki?) >>> > >>> > >>> > Rakshat >>> > >>> > -- >>> > -------------- >>> > Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware >>> and is >>> > also a very feature rich browser. >>> > www.firefox.com >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Openmoko community mailing list >>> > community at lists.openmoko.org >>> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> David Reyes Samblas Martinez >>> http://www.tuxbrain.com >>> Open ultraportable & embedded solutions >>> Ben NanoNote, Arduino, Openmoko >>> Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Openmoko community mailing list >>> community at lists.openmoko.org >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > > > -- > -------------- > Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and > is also a very feature rich browser. > www.firefox.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100220/dc6baeaa/attachment.htm From helge.hafting at hist.no Sat Feb 20 22:54:02 2010 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 22:54:02 +0100 Subject: tangoGPS 0.99.3 is out References: <20100214165329.25cdbcfa@acer> Message-ID: Marcus Bauer wrote: >Hi, > >tangoGPS is out with lots of speed improvements and a lot less of CPU >usage. > >Moreover the speed display is now set in pixels and no longer in >points - especially on SHR that should result in lot smaller digits. Very nice! The smaller speed digits is much better on this display.:-) I have one wishlist item still: Tangogps remembers the last position and zoom level. And it remembers if it was logging to a file the last time it was running. It'd be very nice if tangogps also remembered the status of the "center on gps position" setting, instead of always defaulting to not follow the gps around. So if I quit tangogps while the map is centering on current position, then it will keep sentering on the gps position when tangogps is restarted. That way, it won't be necessary to press that button everytime I restart tangogps as a map display in the car. Helge Hafting -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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OK, I did some tests today, here are the logs: ftp://shulyaka.org.ru/pub/memlog.tar.bz2 I have rebooted the phone to get clear results, started WiFi, Midori and transmission-daemon and run the following script: #!/bin/bash while true; do STAMP=`date +%H:%M:%S` ps axuf > ps.$STAMP free > free.$STAMP df -h > df.$STAMP sleep 300 done It writes output of `ps auxf`, `free` and `df -h` to a corresponding file every 5 minutes. The phone could survive for 4 hours. When I look at the phone after about 3 hrs and 45 min the Xorg (along with vala-terminal and my script) was already killed (the last log entry was at 3:40). However I still was able to ssh into the phone and get some final data manually (named *.last). On the phone screen I saw text console with following messages: [15237.185000] Out of memory: kill process 1409 (screen) score 188 or a child [15237.185000] Killed process 1442 (sh) [15237.270000] Out of memory: kill process 1215 (batget) score 166 or a child [15237.275000] Killed process 1215 (batget) [15238.045000] Out of memory: kill process 1409 (screen) score 124 or a child [15238.050000] Killed process 1409 (screen) [15238.220000] Out of memory: kill process 1473 (udhcpc) score 118 or a child [15238.225000] Killed process 1473 (udhcpc) [15238.355000] Out of memory: kill process 1445 (wpa_supplicant) score 106 or a child [15238.360000] Killed process 1445 (wpa_supplicant) [15239.005000] Out of memory: kill process 2393 (bash) score 98 or a child [15239.010000] Killed process 2405 (bash) [16042.170000] Out of memory: kill process 2391 (sshd) score 89 or a child [16042.170000] Killed process 2393 (bash) [16068.555000] Out of memory: kill process 1083 (sshd) score 56 or a child [16068.555000] Killed process 1083 (sshd) What additional info I can gather? From david at tuxbrain.com Sat Feb 20 23:39:28 2010 From: david at tuxbrain.com (David Reyes Samblas Martinez) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 23:39:28 +0100 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <20100207052928.6fe7ad67.raster@rasterman.com> <1265619231.5809.7.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> <20100208181115.8be1ba4d.raster@rasterman.com> <1265671364.19073.7.camel@rattus> Message-ID: <5c6ceea81002201439s2d49bbe2u90e03391a72b2ac4@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/18 Laszlo KREKACS : > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:22 AM, William Kenworthy wrote: >> I pay that one! - was thinking "hmmm ... looks nice ...WHAT THE F..." >> when the CD appeared :) > > The CD is realistic, but the video cassette!:-) > > Laszlo > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > I want one of those it can run SHR and QtMoko , LOL!!! -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Ben NanoNote, Arduino, Openmoko Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! From openmoko at ginguppin.de Sat Feb 20 23:50:01 2010 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 23:50:01 +0100 Subject: fso: dbus call to mark calls as "old"? Message-ID: what is the fso dbus call to mark calls as "old"? phonelog doesn't change call's state and thus i got so far 3 calls shown in the shr lock screen, which i've seen already. From gandalf at viroenforce.com Sun Feb 21 02:17:10 2010 From: gandalf at viroenforce.com (Gand') Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:17:10 +0100 Subject: Voice quality on FreeRunner A7 ? In-Reply-To: <201002201751.55352.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> References: <1266686037402-4603533.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002201751.55352.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <210dc3a51002201717x7cdcf76fg22fce0018ead582f@mail.gmail.com> i have a very annoying buzzing sound with the latest SHR for the caller on my openmoko A7 i hear everything pretty well and clear, but the other side is hearing a mettalic buzz ... i think this is the "awful" here ... can you share your tweaked volume settings ? best regards -- Gand' On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Al Johnson wrote: > On Saturday 20 February 2010, pbondo wrote: > > Hi folks > > > > My current FreeRunner A6 (buzz fixed) has at best had a medium voice > > quality during phone calls. I.e. I could heat the other party well, but > > (s)he could only hear me just about acceptable. Now my phone has started > > freezing on me. I believe it is a hardware problem so I plan to toss it > > away (or use it as a developer phone). > > > > I have then borrowed another buzz fixed A6 from a friend. It does not > > freeze (with the same SDCard), but the voice quality on the other end of > a > > phone call is just plain awful. > > Describe 'awful'. It probably just needs a tweak to the volume settings, > and > we can help with that. With the right volume settings my FR is on a par > with > my k700i. > > > I am considering buying a new A7+ simply because there some things about > > this phone and the software that I like :-) > > > > However I would like to hear about other peoples experiences with voice > > quality on A7 phones e.g. compared to other mobile phones. Have they just > > fixed the buzz, or can I expect a good voice quality on phone calls ? > > Audio is AFAIK the same as a buzz-fixed A5 and A6. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100221/27338770/attachment-0001.htm From elektranox at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 03:34:05 2010 From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 03:34:05 +0100 Subject: [Debian] new kernel package Message-ID: <20100221023404.GA26159@earth.universe> Hi, I just uploaded a new kernel package to the pkg-fso repository. Please note, that you need to load 'neo1973kbd' for the buttons to work and 'leds-neo1973-gta02' for the leds to work. You probably want to add these to your /etc/modules. -- Sebastian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100221/197c6c32/attachment.pgp From neilb at suse.de Sun Feb 21 04:03:13 2010 From: neilb at suse.de (Neil Brown) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:03:13 +1100 Subject: tangoGPS 0.99.3 is out In-Reply-To: References: <20100214165329.25cdbcfa@acer> Message-ID: <20100221140313.483d2cd2@notabene.brown> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 22:54:02 +0100 "Helge Hafting" wrote: > Marcus Bauer wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >tangoGPS is out with lots of speed improvements and a lot less of CPU > >usage. > > > >Moreover the speed display is now set in pixels and no longer in > >points - especially on SHR that should result in lot smaller digits. > > Very nice! The smaller speed digits is much better on this display.:-) > > I have one wishlist item still: > > Tangogps remembers the last position and zoom level. And it remembers if it > was logging to a file the last time it was running. > It'd be very nice if tangogps also > remembered the status of the "center on gps position" setting, > instead of always defaulting to not follow the gps around. I have another wish-list item for the 'auto-centre' setting. It would be great if the button was a toggle that was visually "down" when the setting was active, and "up" when it was inactive. A small thing, but it seems to bother me. Also I noticed a peculiarity which I haven't tried to reproduce yet, but: I went for a 1 hour bicycle ride with tangogps recording my path. It was set on zoom 13. When I zoomed in (to 14) to have a closer look at the path, it only showed the last half hour or so. When I zoomed it again (to 15) it was the last 15 or 20 minutes. (these are fairly rough figures). I zoom back out to 13 and I see the whole path. I this expected. An hour later (stationary the whole time, but on) the results were the same. I didn't lose any more of the path as time progressed, but I didn't get it back either. NeilBrown From rixed at happyleptic.org Sun Feb 21 10:26:36 2010 From: rixed at happyleptic.org (rixed at happyleptic.org) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:26:36 +0100 Subject: [SHR-U] WiFi-related memory leak In-Reply-To: <8f5e497b1002201431k6f4dd7ffo9a703c8968b280c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <8f5e497b1002181603l2cb4bdc7pfee203eeae730365@mail.gmail.com> <84k4u9k5uc.fsf@sauna.l.org> <8f5e497b1002190417vdae6d3j112b20374f647f32@mail.gmail.com> <8f5e497b1002201431k6f4dd7ffo9a703c8968b280c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100221092635.GA3668@happyleptic.org> > What additional info I can gather? Use slabtop to monitor kernel memory pools. It may be interresting. From rixed at happyleptic.org Sun Feb 21 10:32:30 2010 From: rixed at happyleptic.org (rixed at happyleptic.org) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:32:30 +0100 Subject: Voice quality on FreeRunner A7 ? In-Reply-To: <201002201751.55352.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> References: <1266686037402-4603533.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002201751.55352.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <20100221093229.GB3668@happyleptic.org> > With the right volume settings my FR is on a par with > my k700i. After having buzz-fixed the phone, I followed all discussions about mixer settings and I managed after many tries to raise sound quality (for other end) from inaudible to barely audible. I would be very interrested in your settings, although I suspect this depends most on the phone than on the settings. From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Sun Feb 21 10:37:15 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:37:15 +0200 Subject: [SHR-U] WiFi-related memory leak In-Reply-To: <8f5e497b1002201431k6f4dd7ffo9a703c8968b280c2@mail.gmail.com> (Denis Shulyaka's message of "Sun\, 21 Feb 2010 01\:31\:14 +0300") References: <8f5e497b1002181603l2cb4bdc7pfee203eeae730365@mail.gmail.com> <84k4u9k5uc.fsf@sauna.l.org> <8f5e497b1002190417vdae6d3j112b20374f647f32@mail.gmail.com> <8f5e497b1002201431k6f4dd7ffo9a703c8968b280c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84iq9rhqus.fsf@sauna.l.org> Denis Shulyaka writes: > It writes output of `ps auxf`, `free` and `df -h` to a corresponding > file every 5 minutes. Hmm, you are using swap. I do not know how to see how many bytes each process has in swap. This would let us see which process is the one whose memory usage steadily increases. Now we only see that RSS (number of bytes each process has in RAM) decreases when the bytes are moved to swap. Can you try the same test again without swap? From neiljerram at googlemail.com Sun Feb 21 11:01:56 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:01:56 +0000 Subject: [Debian] new kernel package In-Reply-To: <20100221023404.GA26159@earth.universe> References: <20100221023404.GA26159@earth.universe> Message-ID: <49dd78621002210201g50a38645sb98eff7a11450842@mail.gmail.com> On 21 February 2010 02:34, Sebastian Reichel wrote: > Hi, Hi Sebastian, > I just uploaded a new kernel package to the pkg-fso repository. > Please note, that you need to load 'neo1973kbd' for the buttons > to work and 'leds-neo1973-gta02' for the leds to work. You > probably want to add these to your /etc/modules. Apart from factoring out those modules, is the new kernel improved in some way? And is it built without the debug settings? Regards, Neil From timo.jyrinki at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 12:58:57 2010 From: timo.jyrinki at gmail.com (Timo Jyrinki) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:58:57 +0200 Subject: [Debian] new kernel package In-Reply-To: <49dd78621002210201g50a38645sb98eff7a11450842@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100221023404.GA26159@earth.universe> <49dd78621002210201g50a38645sb98eff7a11450842@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <68da43e01002210358icf54763ndeb5089250d6d977@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/21 Neil Jerram : '> Apart from factoring out those modules, is the new kernel improved in > some way? ?And is it built without the debug settings? It's the latest upstream andy-tracking, mostly meaning that if compared to July snapshot Bluetooth, GPS etc. should handle suspend better among else. Debug is disabled. WLAN should work, but because of the debug being disabled one usually hits this bug quite soon: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2327 Also unfortunately due to some refactoring of touch screen code in andy-tracking, this happens from time to time, but luckily quite rarely: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2328 -Timo From openmoko at ginguppin.de Sun Feb 21 15:00:15 2010 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:00:15 +0100 Subject: [debian] ssh hangs Message-ID: a long time ago i used to experience frequent hangs with ssh connections, when using that infamous dropbear. after i while i got fed up and replaced that crippled thing with a full good sshd, which worked well until a few weeks ago. but with an upgrade of sshd a few weeks ago the exact same issue was introduced again, after a few lines of output the ssh shell freezes and there's nothing to be done excpet killing -- and that's not that easy since i usually have several connections open and there's no easy way to determine which one is the frozen one. so, 1.5 questions: - what happens? i never found any log entries shedding light. does anyone else experience that? - is there a way to make ssh connections easily distinguishable with ps or so? From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Sun Feb 21 15:15:57 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:15:57 +0200 Subject: [debian] ssh hangs In-Reply-To: (arne anka's message of "Sun\, 21 Feb 2010 15\:00\:15 +0100") References: Message-ID: <84eikeisiq.fsf@sauna.l.org> "arne anka" writes: > a long time ago i used to experience frequent hangs with ssh connections, > when using that infamous dropbear. Does this happen when you ssh to localhost? > but with an upgrade of sshd a few weeks ago the exact same issue was > introduced again, after a few lines of output the ssh shell freezes and > there's nothing to be done excpet killing -- and that's not that easy Does the client respond to escape sequences? (man ssh and read "ESCAPE CHARACTERS") > - what happens? i never found any log entries shedding light. does anyone > else experience that? > - is there a way to make ssh connections easily distinguishable with ps or > so? "ps axuf" should make it easy to associate ssh server processes to the programs that you are using over ssh and "netstat -alpn" should tell you which tcp ports these server processes are talking to. If you then run "netstat -alpn" on the client side you can figure out which client uses the port associated with the "frozen" connection. From fercerpav at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 16:26:39 2010 From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:26:39 +0300 Subject: ar6000 (FR's wifi) bugs, workarounds and CLI usage tips, read this for stable wifi Message-ID: Hi, I've got involved in some wifi configuration recently and so tested FR with different APs and settings. As a result, several interesting observations were made, i hope you'll find them useful. 1. Weird SSID bug Thanks to the hint by Werner i found out that i can never connect to my WPA+RSN AP when its SSID is "Paul-g700ap". wpa_supplicant associates but 4-way handshake times out after sending 2/4. Every time. Changing SSID to e.g. "Paul-g700af" and power-cycling ar6000 reliably makes it work. Changing it back reliably makes it not work. To sum up: if WPA authentication times out, try changing SSID. 2. Do not hurry to start up wpa_supplicant, add some pause after powering on the chip: fsoraw -r WiFi -- bash -c "sleep 5; wpa_supplicant -ieth0 -Dwext -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf" 3. It's recommended to power-cycle the chip after every wpa_supplicant invocation, the fsoraw method does that automatically, if you're using any other way, you might need to do that manually. 4. With some APs to get reliable (sometimes any) operation, you need the "maxperf trick": wmiconfig -ieth0 --power=maxperf 5. Suspend/resume works just fine but you need some additional trick to get DHCP lease again after resume. For that you can start wpa_cli -G100 -a /usr/local/bin/wifi-dhcp.sh with wifi-dhcp.sh: #!/bin/sh [ "$2" = "CONNECTED" ] && { dhclient $1 pkill -f "wpa_cli -a" wpa_cli -a $0 -B -G100 } The need for restarting wpa_cli comes from a kernel bug (the driver fails to notify the userspace about disconnection), the fix is available on the kernel ML and will be committed soon; after that you won't need pkill & wpa_cli lines any more. With Debian (no idea if that's applicable to OE, sorry) after applying the fix you should be able to use standard /etc/network/interfaces configuration methods, it should invoke wpa_cli, wpa_action and ifupdown on its own, but i haven't tried to make that work yet, please try it yourself and report the results. HTH -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com From openmoko at ginguppin.de Sun Feb 21 16:50:48 2010 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:50:48 +0100 Subject: ar6000 (FR's wifi) bugs, workarounds and CLI usage tips, read this for stable wifi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: please, explain "power cycling". From rms at 1407.org Sun Feb 21 17:09:17 2010 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:09:17 +0000 Subject: ar6000 (FR's wifi) bugs, workarounds and CLI usage tips, read this for stable wifi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B815AAD.4090601@1407.org> Em 21-02-2010 15:50, arne anka escreveu: > please, explain "power cycling". rebooting ar6000 (one of Freerunner's computers). Rui From openmoko at ginguppin.de Sun Feb 21 17:14:45 2010 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:14:45 +0100 Subject: ar6000 (FR's wifi) bugs, workarounds and CLI usage tips, read this for stable wifi In-Reply-To: <4B815AAD.4090601@1407.org> References: <4B815AAD.4090601@1407.org> Message-ID: >> please, explain "power cycling". > > rebooting ar6000 (one of Freerunner's computers). that i did understand -- the question is, how to do that. From mickey at vanille-media.de Sun Feb 21 17:21:00 2010 From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:21:00 +0100 Subject: ar6000 (FR's wifi) bugs, workarounds and CLI usage tips, read this for stable wifi In-Reply-To: References: <4B815AAD.4090601@1407.org> Message-ID: <1266769260.382.0.camel@opal> Am Sonntag, den 21.02.2010, 17:14 +0100 schrieb arne anka: > >> please, explain "power cycling". > > > > rebooting ar6000 (one of Freerunner's computers). > > that i did understand -- the question is, how to do that. On FSO via releasing/requesting the WiFi resource. :M: From openmoko at ginguppin.de Sun Feb 21 17:29:04 2010 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:29:04 +0100 Subject: [debian] ssh hangs In-Reply-To: <84eikeisiq.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <84eikeisiq.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: >> a long time ago i used to experience frequent hangs with ssh >> connections, >> when using that infamous dropbear. > > Does this happen when you ssh to localhost? nope. and not with other targets. only the fr, which makes me suspect it has something to do with usb networking. but it has not been an issue before with debian ssh. it seems to happen only when th fr outputs something, frinst when doing qdbus --system (even with mdbus) or when compiling via ssh. > Does the client respond to escape sequences? (man ssh and read "ESCAPE > CHARACTERS") have to check next time. as usual it does not freeze while watched now :-) > "ps axuf" should make it easy to associate ssh server processes to the > programs that you are using over ssh and "netstat -alpn" should tell > you which tcp ports these server processes are talking to. If you then > run "netstat -alpn" on the client side you can figure out which client > uses the port associated with the "frozen" connection. yes, but i kind of hoped for a simpler solution. From elektranox at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 18:14:31 2010 From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:14:31 +0100 Subject: [Debian] new kernel package In-Reply-To: <49dd78621002210201g50a38645sb98eff7a11450842@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100221023404.GA26159@earth.universe> <49dd78621002210201g50a38645sb98eff7a11450842@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100221171431.GA27636@earth.universe> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 10:01:56AM +0000, Neil Jerram wrote: > On 21 February 2010 02:34, Sebastian Reichel wrote: > > Hi, > > Hi Sebastian, > > > I just uploaded a new kernel package to the pkg-fso repository. > > Please note, that you need to load 'neo1973kbd' for the buttons > > to work and 'leds-neo1973-gta02' for the leds to work. You > > probably want to add these to your /etc/modules. > > Apart from factoring out those modules, is the new kernel improved in > some way? And is it built without the debug settings? I already disabled debug with my last upload, but this time I also disabled SYSFS_DEPRECATED, which results in a working udev again. Apart from this there is now ubifs support. I also changed some more built in stuff to modules, but these will be loaded by udev (e.g. lis302dl) -- Sebastian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you are not using FSO in debian you can use om wifi power 0 om wifi power 1 From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Sun Feb 21 18:56:57 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:56:57 +0200 Subject: [debian] ssh hangs In-Reply-To: (arne anka's message of "Sun\, 21 Feb 2010 17\:29\:04 +0100") References: <84eikeisiq.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <844olaiiae.fsf@sauna.l.org> "arne anka" writes: > nope. and not with other targets. only the fr, which makes me suspect it What if you ssh to localhost on FR itself? From openmoko at ginguppin.de Sun Feb 21 19:21:19 2010 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:21:19 +0100 Subject: [debian] phonfsod/phoneuid: fso-deviced killed when calling Message-ID: investigating my core issue of the fr not suspending anymore after a call, i see now that fsodeviced dies the moment i hit either "call" (outgoing) or "accept" (incoming). since fso-deviced is dead, nothing, in terms of idle notification at least, happens anymore. i try to track it down, but if anyone could point out, where it and what happens (and how to track efficiently -- i surely miss something like java's stacktraces or even python's exceptions) ... From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Sun Feb 21 19:36:58 2010 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:36:58 +0000 Subject: Voice quality on FreeRunner A7 ? In-Reply-To: <210dc3a51002201717x7cdcf76fg22fce0018ead582f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1266686037402-4603533.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002201751.55352.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <210dc3a51002201717x7cdcf76fg22fce0018ead582f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <201002211836.59006.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Sunday 21 February 2010, Gand' wrote: > i have a very annoying buzzing sound with the latest SHR for the caller on > my openmoko A7 > i hear everything pretty well and clear, but the other side is hearing a > mettalic buzz ... The default setting for control 12 is 7, the maximum, which is too high for many people. The signal overloads the amp and gets distorted, giving what is often described as a buzz when you are speaking. In /etc/freesmartphone/alsa/default/gsmhandset you can drop it to 6 or 5. The distortion can also stop the echo cancellation working correctly. > i think this is the "awful" here ... > can you share your tweaked volume settings ? As the other reply demonstrates, everyone has different needs. The important thing isn't my settings, but knowing how to get a sensible combination of the three controls so that you get the right volume level without distortion. Last time I looked the wiki had what I think is a good description of one way to do this. I didn't write it, and it may only seem like a good explanation to me because I already understand it. If you find any of it confusing then ask about it, and we can work on a better explanation. I put another method in code as fso-simplemixer.py (also mentioned in the wiki) which may be worth a try. I think it may need a small fix for save to work with recent fso versions, and there are a few bugs that i never managed to fix. Please back up your alsa settings before using it as some once reported a corrupted alsa state, though we were never able to repeat it. From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Sun Feb 21 20:00:51 2010 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:00:51 +0000 Subject: Voice quality on FreeRunner A7 ? In-Reply-To: <20100221093229.GB3668@happyleptic.org> References: <1266686037402-4603533.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002201751.55352.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <20100221093229.GB3668@happyleptic.org> Message-ID: <201002211900.51963.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Sunday 21 February 2010, rixed at happyleptic.org wrote: > > With the right volume settings my FR is on a par with > > my k700i. > > After having buzz-fixed the phone, I followed all discussions about mixer > settings and I managed after many tries to raise sound quality (for other > end) from inaudible to barely audible. > > I would be very interrested in your settings, although I suspect this > depends most on the phone than on the settings. please see my other reply regarding how to get a sensible set of settings. My settings would be no use to you as I turn down from default not up. I suspect the variations in how loudly people speak and how they position the phone relative to their head have more to do with the need for different settings than variations in the handsets themselves. We would need to do a lot of measurements to find out though. Normally phone handsets get around this problem by using automatic gain controls. There is one in the Wolfson audio codec, but I have never managed to get it to help. I think one of the openmoko hardware guys said it isn't any use for the signal levels we have, but I haven't checked the datasheet of poked the board with a scope to be sure. There is probably also such a control in the Calypso, but we have no means of using it (unless the project for an open calypso firmware makes some sudden and unexpected progress). From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Sun Feb 21 20:11:35 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:11:35 +0200 Subject: Voice quality on FreeRunner A7 ? In-Reply-To: <201002211900.51963.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> (Al Johnson's message of "Sun\, 21 Feb 2010 19\:00\:51 +0000") References: <1266686037402-4603533.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002201751.55352.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <20100221093229.GB3668@happyleptic.org> <201002211900.51963.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <84r5oeh09k.fsf@sauna.l.org> Al Johnson writes: > My settings would be no use to you as I turn down from default not up. I > suspect the variations in how loudly people speak and how they position the > phone relative to their head have more to do with the need for different > settings than variations in the handsets themselves. We would need to do a lot > of measurements to find out though. I currently have an asterisk setup that lets me record calls so that I can compare calls made with openmoko against calls made with other phones. Is there some standardized test suite that I could play and then investigate the recordings? From elektranox at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 20:13:38 2010 From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:13:38 +0100 Subject: [debian] phonfsod/phoneuid: fso-deviced killed when calling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100221191338.GA28493@earth.universe> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 07:21:19PM +0100, arne anka wrote: > investigating my core issue of the fr not suspending anymore after a call, > i see now that fsodeviced dies the moment i hit either "call" (outgoing) > or "accept" (incoming). > since fso-deviced is dead, nothing, in terms of idle notification at > least, happens anymore. > > i try to track it down, but if anyone could point out, where it and what > happens (and how to track efficiently -- i surely miss something like > java's stacktraces or even python's exceptions) ... you can do it like this: $ ulimit -c unlimited $ my-program program died with segfault (core dumped) $ gdb my-program core % bt -- Sebastian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Type "show copying" and "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "arm-linux-gnueabi". For bug reporting instructions, please see: ... Reading symbols from /usr/sbin/fsodeviced...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libfsoresource.so.0...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libfsoresource.so.0 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libfso-glib.so.0...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libfso-glib.so.0 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libfsoframework.so.0...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libfsoframework.so.0 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so.2...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so.2 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libasound.so.2...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libfsobasics.so.0...(no debugging symbols found)...done. 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Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/accelerometer_lis302.so Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libfsodevice.so.0...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libfsodevice.so.0 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/accelerometer.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/accelerometer.so Reading symbols from /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/player_alsa.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/player_alsa.so Reading symbols from /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/player_canberra.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/player_canberra.so Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libcanberra.so.0...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libcanberra.so.0 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libvorbisfile.so.3...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libvorbisfile.so.3 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libvorbis.so.0...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libvorbis.so.0 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libogg.so.0...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libogg.so.0 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libtdb.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libtdb.so.1 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libltdl.so.7...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libltdl.so.7 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/player_gstreamer.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/player_gstreamer.so Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libz.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libz.so.1 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/router_alsa.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/router_alsa.so Reading symbols from /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/audio.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/audio.so Reading symbols from /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/kernel26_display.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/kernel26_display.so Reading symbols from /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/kernel26_leds.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/kernel26_leds.so Reading symbols from /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/kernel26_powersupply.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/kernel26_powersupply.so Reading symbols from /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/kernel26_rtc.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/kernel26_rtc.so Reading symbols from /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/kernel_info.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/kernel_info.so Reading symbols from /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/kernel_input.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/kernel_input.so Reading symbols from /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/kernel_idle.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/kernel_idle.so Reading symbols from /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/openmoko_powercontrol.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/openmoko_powercontrol.so Core was generated by `fsodeviced'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. #0 0x40466a5c in gee_map_get_keys () from /usr/lib/libgee.so.2 (gdb) bt #0 0x40466a5c in gee_map_get_keys () from /usr/lib/libgee.so.2 #1 0x409295e0 in ?? () from /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/router_alsa.so #2 0x409295e0 in ?? () from /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/router_alsa.so Backtrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?) (gdb) -- -- -- From openmoko at ginguppin.de Sun Feb 21 20:27:16 2010 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:27:16 +0100 Subject: [debian] phonfsod/phoneuid: fso-deviced killed when calling In-Reply-To: References: <20100221191338.GA28493@earth.universe> Message-ID: installed libgee2-dbg and got that (probably not of much use): Core was generated by `fsodeviced'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. #0 gee_map_get_keys (self=0x0) at map.c:353 353 map.c: No such file or directory. in map.c (gdb) bt #0 gee_map_get_keys (self=0x0) at map.c:353 #1 0x409295e0 in ?? () from /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/router_alsa.so #2 0x409295e0 in ?? () from /usr/lib/cornucopia/modules/fsodevice/router_alsa.so Backtrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?) From openmoko at ginguppin.de Sun Feb 21 20:37:58 2010 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:37:58 +0100 Subject: [debian] phonfsod/phoneuid: fso-deviced killed when calling In-Reply-To: References: <20100221191338.GA28493@earth.universe> Message-ID: ok, third: since it has something to do with alsa_router, i checked th config files and found in fsodeviced.conf [fsodevice.audio] # Which Audio Player variant plugin to use: none (default), alsa, canberra, gstreamer player_type = alsa # Which Audio Router variant plugin to use: none (default), alsa router_type = alsa replacing "alsa" with "none" lets fsodeviced survive. - what do these options do? - what's the difference between als and none? - i guess some checking is necessary instead of relaying on whatever. in my frameowrkd.conf, there's a section (disabled by me) [odeviced.audio] # set 1 to disable a module disable = 1 # set directory where the alsa audio scenarios are stored scenario_dir = /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios # set default scenario loaded at startup default_scenario = stereoout where scenario_dir and default_scenario are defined, none of the two do i find in fsodeviced.conf. is that somewhat related and where should i set at least the default scenario (while i am at it)? From vollkorn at cryptobitch.de Sun Feb 21 21:09:05 2010 From: vollkorn at cryptobitch.de (Jan Girlich) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:09:05 +0100 Subject: Mic volume extremely soft after buzz fix with SHR unstable Message-ID: <1266782945.24416.24.camel@jan-x61> Hi, after I got my gta02 A06 a hardware buzz fix late December last year the mic is very soft with the newest SHR unstable. So I had a look at all the different tips around and carefully read all emails of the thread "Experiment: better sound on remote end" and all links mentioned in there and tried all the suggested tweaks and got rid of any static or noise, but the mic still is so soft that I literally have to yell at my phone from close distance in order to be hardly understood by the callee. What could be the problem? Any suggestions on what I could try to set the mic volume to a usable level? Could the problem be related to the buzz fix? After fiddling around with the settings for a long time I ended up with setting the controls in the gsmhandset.state file back to these values. The other values are untouched. * control.48: 3 * control.63: 'Mic 2' * control.12: 7 * control.5: 115 btw: What is the difference between /etc/freesmartphone/alsa/default/gsmhandset and /usr/share/shr/scenarii/gsmhandset.state ? Both are mentioned on the wiki pages I read and latter is mentioned to be the one used by SHR although the first one exists on my install as well. Need any more info to help me out? Thanks Jan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Or just run fsodeviced directly under gdb and once it dies get us a backtrace. Cheers, :M: From mickey at vanille-media.de Sun Feb 21 21:32:37 2010 From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:32:37 +0100 Subject: [debian] phonfsod/phoneuid: fso-deviced killed when calling In-Reply-To: References: <20100221191338.GA28493@earth.universe> Message-ID: <1266784357.382.44.camel@opal> fsodeviced provides different plugins for audio routing. You want the alsa one for the FreeRunner. You're running debian, right? Do they ship the new alsa data files for fsodeviced? Cheers, :M: From mickey at vanille-media.de Sun Feb 21 21:33:58 2010 From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:33:58 +0100 Subject: Mic volume extremely soft after buzz fix with SHR unstable In-Reply-To: <1266782945.24416.24.camel@jan-x61> References: <1266782945.24416.24.camel@jan-x61> Message-ID: <1266784438.382.46.camel@opal> > btw: What is the difference > between /etc/freesmartphone/alsa/default/gsmhandset This one is used by fsodeviced, i.e. the new stuff that's being used on SHR. > and /usr/share/shr/scenarii/gsmhandset.state ? That's from the old days where we used to call alsactl to do the work. :M: From openmoko at ginguppin.de Sun Feb 21 21:45:06 2010 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:45:06 +0100 Subject: [debian] phonfsod/phoneuid: fso-deviced killed when calling In-Reply-To: <1266784357.382.44.camel@opal> References: <20100221191338.GA28493@earth.universe> <1266784357.382.44.camel@opal> Message-ID: > fsodeviced provides different plugins for audio routing. You want the > alsa one for the FreeRunner. well, as written, "alsa" kills fsodeviced. what kind of audio routing? call seems to work even with "none" (at least i hear something when i call my box). > You're running debian, right? Do they ship the new alsa data files for > fsodeviced? what "alsa data files"? From mickey at vanille-media.de Sun Feb 21 21:59:38 2010 From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:59:38 +0100 Subject: [debian] phonfsod/phoneuid: fso-deviced killed when calling In-Reply-To: References: <20100221191338.GA28493@earth.universe> <1266784357.382.44.camel@opal> Message-ID: <1266785978.382.50.camel@opal> Am Sonntag, den 21.02.2010, 21:45 +0100 schrieb arne anka: > > fsodeviced provides different plugins for audio routing. You want the > > alsa one for the FreeRunner. > > well, as written, "alsa" kills fsodeviced. Probably because of the missing alsa data files (see below). > what kind of audio routing? call seems to work even with "none" (at least > i hear something when i call my box). audio routing is necessary i.e. to switch between ring tone and in-call audio. You might hear the ring tone, if that's the default routing, but you will not have in-call audio without routing. > > > You're running debian, right? Do they ship the new alsa data files for > > fsodeviced? > > what "alsa data files"? http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/freesmartphone/fso-alsa-data/om-gta02 Those have to be copied to /etc/freesmartphone/alsa/. Next week, I'll make fso ship them instead of putting them into OE. Cheers, :M: From elektranox at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 22:40:18 2010 From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:40:18 +0100 Subject: [debian] phonfsod/phoneuid: fso-deviced killed when calling In-Reply-To: <1266785978.382.50.camel@opal> References: <20100221191338.GA28493@earth.universe> <1266784357.382.44.camel@opal> <1266785978.382.50.camel@opal> Message-ID: <20100221214018.GA29238@earth.universe> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 09:59:38PM +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > Am Sonntag, den 21.02.2010, 21:45 +0100 schrieb arne anka: > > > fsodeviced provides different plugins for audio routing. You want the > > > alsa one for the FreeRunner. > > > > well, as written, "alsa" kills fsodeviced. > > Probably because of the missing alsa data files (see below). > > > what kind of audio routing? call seems to work even with "none" (at least > > i hear something when i call my box). > > audio routing is necessary i.e. to switch between ring tone and in-call > audio. You might hear the ring tone, if that's the default routing, but > you will not have in-call audio without routing. > > > > > > You're running debian, right? Do they ship the new alsa data files for > > > fsodeviced? > > > > what "alsa data files"? > > http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/freesmartphone/fso-alsa-data/om-gta02 > > Those have to be copied to /etc/freesmartphone/alsa/. > > Next week, I'll make fso ship them instead of putting them into OE. > > Cheers, > > :M: Hi, I included these alsa files in 'fso-config-gta02' in Janurary. -- Sebastian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From openmoko at ginguppin.de Sun Feb 21 23:01:08 2010 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:01:08 +0100 Subject: [debian] phonfsod/phoneuid: fso-deviced killed when calling In-Reply-To: <1266785978.382.50.camel@opal> References: <20100221191338.GA28493@earth.universe> <1266784357.382.44.camel@opal> <1266785978.382.50.camel@opal> Message-ID: >> > fsodeviced provides different plugins for audio routing. You want the >> > alsa one for the FreeRunner. >> >> well, as written, "alsa" kills fsodeviced. > > Probably because of the missing alsa data files (see below). nope. they are there. >> what kind of audio routing? call seems to work even with "none" (at >> least >> i hear something when i call my box). > > audio routing is necessary i.e. to switch between ring tone and in-call > audio. You might hear the ring tone, if that's the default routing, but > you will not have in-call audio without routing. no idea, what "in-call" means, but with player_type = none router_type = none i hear and am heared in a call. From vollkorn at cryptobitch.de Sun Feb 21 23:05:47 2010 From: vollkorn at cryptobitch.de (Jan Girlich) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:05:47 +0100 Subject: Mic volume extremely soft after buzz fix with SHR unstable In-Reply-To: <1266784438.382.46.camel@opal> References: <1266782945.24416.24.camel@jan-x61> <1266784438.382.46.camel@opal> Message-ID: <1266789947.5173.1.camel@jan-x61> Am Sonntag, den 21.02.2010, 21:33 +0100 schrieb Michael 'Mickey' Lauer: > > btw: What is the difference > > between /etc/freesmartphone/alsa/default/gsmhandset > > This one is used by fsodeviced, i.e. the new stuff that's being used on > SHR. Good to know. So far I did all changes to both files, but will discard the old one now. 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First of all you could check if the following file exists: /sys/class/leds/neo1973:vibrator/brightness Apart from this I currently don't know how FSO activates the vibrator, but probably you should load 'ledtrig_timer'. btw loading 'ledtrig_heartbeat' module and then echo 'heartbeat' > /sys/class/leds/neo1973:vibrator/trigger animates your freerunner - it's quite cool :D > btw: why is there a cdrom.ko? I did not change anything containing the keyword cdrom, but there are usb cdrom drives, so I think it should stay there as a module. -- Sebastian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100221/a0431acf/attachment.pgp From elektranox at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 23:17:46 2010 From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:17:46 +0100 Subject: [debian] phonfsod/phoneuid: fso-deviced killed when calling In-Reply-To: References: <20100221191338.GA28493@earth.universe> <1266784357.382.44.camel@opal> <1266785978.382.50.camel@opal> Message-ID: <20100221221746.GC29238@earth.universe> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 11:01:08PM +0100, arne anka wrote: > >> > fsodeviced provides different plugins for audio routing. You want the > >> > alsa one for the FreeRunner. > >> > >> well, as written, "alsa" kills fsodeviced. > > > > Probably because of the missing alsa data files (see below). > > nope. they are there. > > >> what kind of audio routing? call seems to work even with "none" (at > >> least > >> i hear something when i call my box). > > > > audio routing is necessary i.e. to switch between ring tone and in-call > > audio. You might hear the ring tone, if that's the default routing, but > > you will not have in-call audio without routing. > > no idea, what "in-call" means, but with > > player_type = none > router_type = none > > i hear and am heared in a call. I just installed fsodeviced and I can confirm it crashing on incoming call with default settings. I cannot confirm that there is still sound when setting router_type to none. It's a pity, that Heiko did not build a -dbg package for fso-deviced itself. I will try to build one now. -- Sebastian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100221/b463ac11/attachment.pgp From openmoko at ginguppin.de Sun Feb 21 23:24:52 2010 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:24:52 +0100 Subject: [debian] phonfsod/phoneuid: fso-deviced killed when calling In-Reply-To: <20100221221746.GC29238@earth.universe> References: <20100221191338.GA28493@earth.universe> <1266784357.382.44.camel@opal> <1266785978.382.50.camel@opal> <20100221221746.GC29238@earth.universe> Message-ID: > I cannot confirm that there > is still sound when setting router_type to none. does that mean, you didn't test or you did not hear something? From elektranox at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 23:52:05 2010 From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:52:05 +0100 Subject: [debian] phonfsod/phoneuid: fso-deviced killed when calling In-Reply-To: References: <20100221191338.GA28493@earth.universe> <1266784357.382.44.camel@opal> <1266785978.382.50.camel@opal> <20100221221746.GC29238@earth.universe> Message-ID: <20100221225205.GD29238@earth.universe> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 11:24:52PM +0100, arne anka wrote: > > I cannot confirm that there > > is still sound when setting router_type to none. > > does that mean, you didn't test or you did not hear something? I heard no ringtone and no sound during the call on both sides. I tried calling as well as being called. -- Sebastian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From elektranox at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 02:22:28 2010 From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:22:28 +0100 Subject: [debian] phonfsod/phoneuid: fso-deviced killed when calling In-Reply-To: <1266784189.382.42.camel@opal> References: <1266784189.382.42.camel@opal> Message-ID: <20100222012227.GA31962@earth.universe> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 09:29:49PM +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > Am Sonntag, den 21.02.2010, 19:21 +0100 schrieb arne anka: > > investigating my core issue of the fr not suspending anymore after a call, > > i see now that fsodeviced dies the moment i hit either "call" (outgoing) > > or "accept" (incoming). > > since fso-deviced is dead, nothing, in terms of idle notification at > > least, happens anymore. > > A backtrace would be splendid. Could you install -dbg packages as well > as gdb, change params to have apps emit a coredump and then get us a > backtrace? Or just run fsodeviced directly under gdb and once it dies > get us a backtrace. > > Cheers, > > :M: Here is a backtrace with -dbg packages: (gdb) bt #0 gee_map_get_keys (self=0x0) at map.c:353 #1 0x40b415d8 in router_lib_alsa_real_isScenarioAvailable (base=, scenario=0x6b128 "gsmhandset") at plugin.c:434 #2 0x40863fc4 in fso_device_base_audio_router_isScenarioAvailable (self=0x0, scenario=0x6b128 "gsmhandset") at audiorouter.c:294 #3 0x40864a98 in fso_device_audio_router_isScenarioAvailable (self=0x16918, scenario=0x6b128 "gsmhandset") at audiorouter.c:128 #4 0x40b4e600 in hardware_audio_manager_real_push_scenario_co (base=0x1a8a8, scenario=0x6d6e8 "gsmhandset", _callback_=0x400be224, _user_data_=0x6f8c0) at plugin.c:826 #5 hardware_audio_manager_real_push_scenario (base=0x1a8a8, scenario=0x6d6e8 "gsmhandset", _callback_=0x400be224, _user_data_=0x6f8c0) at plugin.c:799 #6 0x400aee18 in free_smartphone_device_audio_push_scenario () from /usr/lib/libfso-glib.so.0 #7 0x400b0a84 in free_smartphone_device_audio_dbus_message () from /usr/lib/libfso-glib.so.0 #8 0x40b4ed20 in hardware_audio_manager_dbus_message (connection=0x1f118, message=0x1f4b0, object=0x1a8a8) at plugin.c:1431 #9 0x40357cd4 in ?? 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100222/2509d8e2/attachment.pgp From elektranox at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 03:12:38 2010 From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 03:12:38 +0100 Subject: [debian] phonfsod/phoneuid: fso-deviced killed when calling In-Reply-To: <1266784189.382.42.camel@opal> References: <1266784189.382.42.camel@opal> Message-ID: <20100222021237.GA32168@earth.universe> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 09:29:49PM +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > Am Sonntag, den 21.02.2010, 19:21 +0100 schrieb arne anka: > > investigating my core issue of the fr not suspending anymore after a call, > > i see now that fsodeviced dies the moment i hit either "call" (outgoing) > > or "accept" (incoming). > > since fso-deviced is dead, nothing, in terms of idle notification at > > least, happens anymore. > > A backtrace would be splendid. Could you install -dbg packages as well > as gdb, change params to have apps emit a coredump and then get us a > backtrace? Or just run fsodeviced directly under gdb and once it dies > get us a backtrace. > > Cheers, > > :M: Hi, You fixed this already in [1]. fso-deviced in Debian is still from Janurary 2010, because of the added libnl2 depdendency [2] from libfso* in newer versions. I just uploaded a new fso-deviced package adding a -dbg package and the referenced patch. -- Sebastian [1] http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=commit;h=4c7979f5c19ab74c7c161d1d393677cb98f560d4 [2] http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/libnl2_1.99+git20091216-1.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100222/40c6fe57/attachment.pgp From mickey at vanille-media.de Mon Feb 22 11:05:22 2010 From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Dr. Michael Lauer) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:05:22 +0100 Subject: [debian] phonfsod/phoneuid: fso-deviced killed when calling In-Reply-To: <20100222021237.GA32168@earth.universe> References: <1266784189.382.42.camel@opal> <20100222021237.GA32168@earth.universe> Message-ID: <82032A5D-86EA-4E13-97E5-5C086188D6C0@vanille-media.de> Am 22.02.2010 um 03:12 schrieb Sebastian Reichel: > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 09:29:49PM +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: >> Am Sonntag, den 21.02.2010, 19:21 +0100 schrieb arne anka: >>> investigating my core issue of the fr not suspending anymore after a call, >>> i see now that fsodeviced dies the moment i hit either "call" (outgoing) >>> or "accept" (incoming). >>> since fso-deviced is dead, nothing, in terms of idle notification at >>> least, happens anymore. >> >> A backtrace would be splendid. Could you install -dbg packages as well >> as gdb, change params to have apps emit a coredump and then get us a >> backtrace? Or just run fsodeviced directly under gdb and once it dies >> get us a backtrace. >> >> Cheers, >> >> :M: > > Hi, > > You fixed this already in [1]. fso-deviced in Debian is still from > Janurary 2010, because of the added libnl2 depdendency [2] from > libfso* in newer versions. > > I just uploaded a new fso-deviced package adding a -dbg package > and the referenced patch. Ah, awesome. Thanks for your work! Cheers, :M: From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 22 12:45:23 2010 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:45:23 +0000 Subject: Voice quality on FreeRunner A7 ? In-Reply-To: <84r5oeh09k.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <1266686037402-4603533.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002211900.51963.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <84r5oeh09k.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <201002221145.24030.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Sunday 21 February 2010, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > Al Johnson writes: > > My settings would be no use to you as I turn down from default not up. I > > suspect the variations in how loudly people speak and how they position > > the phone relative to their head have more to do with the need for > > different settings than variations in the handsets themselves. We would > > need to do a lot of measurements to find out though. > > I currently have an asterisk setup that lets me record calls so that I > can compare calls made with openmoko against calls made with other > phones. Is there some standardized test suite that I could play and > then investigate the recordings? This should give a starting point, although some of the links are broken. http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Call%20Quality%20Metrics Here's a link to the call-quality-menu file that's mentioned but not linked. http://www.loligo.com/asterisk/sounds/Sounds-README.txt http://www.loligo.com/asterisk/sounds/call-quality-menu.gsm I was thinking of measurements to quantify variation in sensitivity between handsets, and variation in signal level between different people with the same handset. From helge.hafting at hist.no Mon Feb 22 13:29:04 2010 From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:29:04 +0100 Subject: Debian - issues In-Reply-To: <20100219195700.3a5f90de.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> References: <20100219195700.3a5f90de.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org> Message-ID: <4B827890.20302@hist.no> omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org wrote: > Hi, > > I just installed Debian to be able to use some packages from the repos, and I need help to get it to behave. > > It's installed on SD card with multiple partitions, but how to mount the other partitions? I couldn't find the relevant device files in /dev, Files in /dev can be made as needed. Maybe your "udev" doesn't. Try "cat /proc/partitions" to see what ought to exist. These are the partitions the kernel has noticed, whether or not they actually appear in /dev. You probably want a better solution, but missing /dev files can be created with "mknod". Helge Hafting From ifindleton at videotron.ca Mon Feb 22 13:32:03 2010 From: ifindleton at videotron.ca (Iain B. Findleton) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:32:03 -0500 Subject: tangogps-0.99.3 ipk? Message-ID: <4B827943.4030909@videotron.ca> Is there a package file out there for this version? If so, where? From neo at el-hennig.de Mon Feb 22 13:53:44 2010 From: neo at el-hennig.de (neo at el-hennig.de) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:53:44 +0100 (MET) Subject: tangogps-0.99.3 ipk? Message-ID: <201002221253.o1MCri12004960@post.webmailer.de> > Is there a package file out there for this version? If so, where? There is one in the SHR--Unstable feed. http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/ From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 22 14:03:38 2010 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:03:38 +0000 Subject: Mic volume extremely soft after buzz fix with SHR unstable In-Reply-To: <1266782945.24416.24.camel@jan-x61> References: <1266782945.24416.24.camel@jan-x61> Message-ID: <201002221303.38670.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Sunday 21 February 2010, Jan Girlich wrote: > Hi, > > after I got my gta02 A06 a hardware buzz fix late December last year the > mic is very soft with the newest SHR unstable. So I had a look at all > the different tips around and carefully read all emails of the thread > "Experiment: better sound on remote end" and all links mentioned in > there and tried all the suggested tweaks and got rid of any static or > noise, but the mic still is so soft that I literally have to yell at my > phone from close distance in order to be hardly understood by the > callee. > > What could be the problem? Any suggestions on what I could try to set > the mic volume to a usable level? Could the problem be related to the > buzz fix? IIRC the buzz fix reduces the sensitivity of the mic input slightly. > After fiddling around with the settings for a long time I ended up with > setting the controls in the gsmhandset.state file back to these values. > The other values are untouched. > > * control.48: 3 > * control.63: 'Mic 2' > * control.12: 7 > * control.5: 115 Controls 48 and 12 are on maximum, while control 5 has 12 steps remaining. You still have scope to make the mic a fair bit louder if you need to. 3, 5 and 121 would give the same volume level with less chance of distortion. Desc. Range Chan Setting Mic2 Capture Volume +12dB - +30dB / 6dB steps 48 0-3 Mono Sidetone Play Vol. -15dB - +6dB / 3dB steps 12 0-7 Mono Playback Volume -73dB - +6dB / 1dB steps 5 0-127 (but 0-47 are mute) Overall: -76dB - +42dB / 1dB steps => 119 steps (120 with mute) From vollkorn at cryptobitch.de Mon Feb 22 16:00:57 2010 From: vollkorn at cryptobitch.de (Jan Girlich) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:00:57 +0100 Subject: Mic volume extremely soft after buzz fix with SHR unstable In-Reply-To: <201002221303.38670.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> References: <1266782945.24416.24.camel@jan-x61> <201002221303.38670.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <1266850857.6013.38.camel@jan-x61> Am Montag, den 22.02.2010, 13:03 +0000 schrieb Al Johnson: > IIRC the buzz fix reduces the sensitivity of the mic input slightly. I'm afraid something might be gone wrong with my buzz fix. Had a look at it yesterday evening and noticed one of the soldering points is really weak. Maybe that could be a reason? Too little of a connection from the capacitor to the resistor? > > After fiddling around with the settings for a long time I ended up with > > setting the controls in the gsmhandset.state file back to these values. > > The other values are untouched. > > > > * control.48: 3 > > * control.63: 'Mic 2' > > * control.12: 7 > > * control.5: 115 > > Controls 48 and 12 are on maximum, while control 5 has 12 steps remaining. You > still have scope to make the mic a fair bit louder if you need to. 3, 5 and > 121 would give the same volume level with less chance of distortion. Tried it. Still so soft that you have to yell really loud at the phone and only hardly can hear anything on the other end. I'm usually testing with my stereo, turning it on and putting the phone on the speaker. But I have to turn my stereo to levels it's getting uncomfortably loud just to hear a faint noise over the phone. Fresh out of ideas Jan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If someone is interested to share his nation's maps we can arrange to commit there... d -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100222/3fd1d766/attachment.htm From vaudano at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 17:39:25 2010 From: vaudano at gmail.com (Vaudano Luca) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:39:25 +0100 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: <18db98c81002220836yda3a177sd76961dd24aafb8e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <9e7398031002142252ja1a2d3dka2e35e5b96da4ee9@mail.gmail.com> <1266217776277-4573240.post@n2.nabble.com> <18db98c81002170636u25441e9en229bdd29ce25654d@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c81002170650g27eb17c1pdfb72697bcb89e7f@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c81002220836yda3a177sd76961dd24aafb8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes I have belgium map :) if you want... On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Davide Scaini wrote: > I uploaded it to: > https://sourceforge.net/projects/mcnavimaps/files/ > I think it's good... > If someone is interested to share his nation's maps we can arrange to commit > there... > d > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 22 18:25:51 2010 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:25:51 +0000 Subject: Mic volume extremely soft after buzz fix with SHR unstable In-Reply-To: <1266850857.6013.38.camel@jan-x61> References: <1266782945.24416.24.camel@jan-x61> <201002221303.38670.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <1266850857.6013.38.camel@jan-x61> Message-ID: <201002221725.51535.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Monday 22 February 2010, Jan Girlich wrote: > Am Montag, den 22.02.2010, 13:03 +0000 schrieb Al Johnson: > > IIRC the buzz fix reduces the sensitivity of the mic input slightly. > > I'm afraid something might be gone wrong with my buzz fix. Had a look at > it yesterday evening and noticed one of the soldering points is really > weak. Maybe that could be a reason? Too little of a connection from the > capacitor to the resistor? It can be hard to tell whether the joint is electrically good just by looking at it, and solder connections on those components are tiny. You really need to use a meter to test it, and I expect this was done by whoever did the fix for you, so it probably isn't the problem. If you are competent to test this, or know someone who is, the schematics and fix SOP are both available: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf http://downloads.openmoko.org/developer/schematics/GTA02/ > > > After fiddling around with the settings for a long time I ended up with > > > setting the controls in the gsmhandset.state file back to these values. > > > The other values are untouched. > > > > > > * control.48: 3 > > > * control.63: 'Mic 2' > > > * control.12: 7 > > > * control.5: 115 > > > > Controls 48 and 12 are on maximum, while control 5 has 12 steps > > remaining. You still have scope to make the mic a fair bit louder if you > > need to. 3, 5 and 121 would give the same volume level with less chance > > of distortion. > > Tried it. Still so soft that you have to yell really loud at the phone > and only hardly can hear anything on the other end. I'm usually testing > with my stereo, turning it on and putting the phone on the speaker. But > I have to turn my stereo to levels it's getting uncomfortably loud just > to hear a faint noise over the phone. So 3, 7, 127 is still too quiet? In that case something may be wrong. Check the buzz fix, and also that the hole in the case isn't blocked. > Fresh out of ideas > Jan > From dscaini at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 19:32:10 2010 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:32:10 +0100 Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <9e7398031002142252ja1a2d3dka2e35e5b96da4ee9@mail.gmail.com> <1266217776277-4573240.post@n2.nabble.com> <18db98c81002170636u25441e9en229bdd29ce25654d@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c81002170650g27eb17c1pdfb72697bcb89e7f@mail.gmail.com> <18db98c81002220836yda3a177sd76961dd24aafb8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18db98c81002221032y772be96xadc824b4221aa9dd@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Vaudano Luca wrote: > Yes I have belgium map :) if you want... > > Nice! do you want access to sourceforge? You can contant me directly on my e-mail to fix the details. d -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This would let us see which process is the one > whose memory usage steadily increases. Now we only see that RSS > (number of bytes each process has in RAM) decreases when the bytes are > moved to swap. > > Can you try the same test again without swap? > I know, I can't help that much, but I am sure that midori is the problem. I often hear music with vagalume over wlan and it is no problem to hear 3 or 4 hours. But if I use Midori then after 10 minutes (and sometimes less) the system hangs because of no ram. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFLgs/OlYiDScJJ+7QRAqSnAJ40A3/O51VvE/sRaIc5Rs1Y5NeygACeJ3mR dSLOnSBG6CQRZJNRfs8J7+k= =nSNz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From vollkorn at cryptobitch.de Mon Feb 22 19:45:39 2010 From: vollkorn at cryptobitch.de (Jan Girlich) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:45:39 +0100 Subject: Mic volume extremely soft after buzz fix with SHR unstable In-Reply-To: <201002221725.51535.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> References: <1266782945.24416.24.camel@jan-x61> <201002221303.38670.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <1266850857.6013.38.camel@jan-x61> <201002221725.51535.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <1266864339.6013.68.camel@jan-x61> Am Montag, den 22.02.2010, 17:25 +0000 schrieb Al Johnson: > It can be hard to tell whether the joint is electrically good just by looking > at it, and solder connections on those components are tiny. You really need to > use a meter to test it, and I expect this was done by whoever did the fix for > you, so it probably isn't the problem. If you are competent to test this, or > know someone who is, the schematics and fix SOP are both available: > > http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf Okay, the joint I suspected to be broken seems fine. It's the one on the left of the two red arrows in the above description. That's where my capacitor is connected to and I just checked the the resistance from the capacitor to the pad where the right red arrow points at. No measurable resistance, so the joint should be electrically good. > > > Controls 48 and 12 are on maximum, while control 5 has 12 steps > > > remaining. You still have scope to make the mic a fair bit louder if you > > > need to. 3, 5 and 121 would give the same volume level with less chance > > > of distortion. > > > > Tried it. Still so soft that you have to yell really loud at the phone > > and only hardly can hear anything on the other end. I'm usually testing > > with my stereo, turning it on and putting the phone on the speaker. But > > I have to turn my stereo to levels it's getting uncomfortably loud just > > to hear a faint noise over the phone. > > So 3, 7, 127 is still too quiet? In that case something may be wrong. Check > the buzz fix, and also that the hole in the case isn't blocked. Checked it, the hole is free. Jan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I often hear music with vagalume over wlan and it is no > problem to hear 3 or 4 hours. But if I use Midori then after 10 > minutes (and sometimes less) the system hangs because of no ram. You might want to free some RAM by using more light-weight programs. From openmoko.marko at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 22:04:00 2010 From: openmoko.marko at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Marko_Kn=F6bl?=) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:04:00 -0500 Subject: [Shr-User] New poll about OS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3bea40951002221304q109b9cnf839ea0d14519617@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/22, Michael Moroni : > Hi you all, > I decided to create a new poll about the OS on open phones (Neo1973, Neo > Freerunner, HTC-dream, ...) in order to update the last poll. > Here you have the link of the new poll: http://doodle.com/mkuv2uhn66e83mxw > Here you have the link of the last poll: http://doodle.com/sd2c8d8snr23eeqq > The poll will be closed monday 8 march 2010, 07:00 UTC+01:00 > Have a nice day/Have a good night > - Michael > Hi! Thanks you for your efforts! Unfortunately I was already planning a more elaborate survey which I started discussing on the documentation mailing list. [1] Now that effort was vain. So, for the next survey (if there will be one): please notify the community if you are planning to do one, so we can discuss it first. [1] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.documentation/cutoff=128 From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 22 22:36:20 2010 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:36:20 +0000 Subject: Mic volume extremely soft after buzz fix with SHR unstable In-Reply-To: <1266864339.6013.68.camel@jan-x61> References: <1266782945.24416.24.camel@jan-x61> <201002221725.51535.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <1266864339.6013.68.camel@jan-x61> Message-ID: <201002222136.20884.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Monday 22 February 2010, Jan Girlich wrote: > Am Montag, den 22.02.2010, 17:25 +0000 schrieb Al Johnson: > > It can be hard to tell whether the joint is electrically good just by > > looking at it, and solder connections on those components are tiny. You > > really need to use a meter to test it, and I expect this was done by > > whoever did the fix for you, so it probably isn't the problem. If you are > > competent to test this, or know someone who is, the schematics and fix > > SOP are both available: > > > > http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf > > Okay, the joint I suspected to be broken seems fine. It's the one on the > left of the two red arrows in the above description. That's where my > capacitor is connected to and I just checked the the resistance from the > capacitor to the pad where the right red arrow points at. No measurable > resistance, so the joint should be electrically good. > > > > > Controls 48 and 12 are on maximum, while control 5 has 12 steps > > > > remaining. You still have scope to make the mic a fair bit louder if > > > > you need to. 3, 5 and 121 would give the same volume level with less > > > > chance of distortion. > > > > > > Tried it. Still so soft that you have to yell really loud at the phone > > > and only hardly can hear anything on the other end. I'm usually testing > > > with my stereo, turning it on and putting the phone on the speaker. But > > > I have to turn my stereo to levels it's getting uncomfortably loud just > > > to hear a faint noise over the phone. > > > > So 3, 7, 127 is still too quiet? In that case something may be wrong. > > Check the buzz fix, and also that the hole in the case isn't blocked. > > Checked it, the hole is free. And the rest of the buzz fix? Check the resistance of R4303 (mic case to gold ring) as described in the SOP. It should be 2k2. Also look for shorts between pads. From andrew.stephen at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 22:52:34 2010 From: andrew.stephen at gmail.com (Andrew Stephen) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:52:34 +1300 Subject: Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner Message-ID: <2e51a0351002221352s7796be9fq5ae84bcafd5490ce@mail.gmail.com> http://www.technewsdaily.com/hacked-smartphones-could-be-used-to-spy-on-you-100222-0237/ --8<-- The researchers say their intent is not to just scare people, but to inspire action. "What we?re doing today is raising a warning flag," Iftode said. "We?re showing that people with general computer proficiency can create rootkit malware for smart phones. The next step is to work on defenses." The team used an open-source smartphone called the Openmoko FreeRunner running Linux software, but they emphasized that with enough time and effort, any smartphone operating system can be attacked with malware. The Rutgers team plans to use their results to inspire developers to create new ways to detect and prevent rootkit attacks on smartphones because none exist right now. --8<-- -- Andrew Stephen http://www.evil.geek.nz/ It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious. - Oscar Wilde From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 22 23:34:05 2010 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:34:05 +0000 Subject: Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner In-Reply-To: <2e51a0351002221352s7796be9fq5ae84bcafd5490ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <2e51a0351002221352s7796be9fq5ae84bcafd5490ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <201002222234.06149.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Monday 22 February 2010, Andrew Stephen wrote: > http://www.technewsdaily.com/hacked-smartphones-could-be-used-to-spy-on-you > -100222-0237/ > > --8<-- > The researchers say their intent is not to just scare people, but to > inspire action. "What we?re doing today is raising a warning flag," > Iftode said. "We?re showing that people with general computer > proficiency can create rootkit malware for smart phones. The next step > is to work on defenses." > > The team used an open-source smartphone called the Openmoko FreeRunner > running Linux software, but they emphasized that with enough time and > effort, any smartphone operating system can be attacked with malware. > > The Rutgers team plans to use their results to inspire developers to > create new ways to detect and prevent rootkit attacks on smartphones > because none exist right now. > --8<-- > Heavy on headline, light on any useful detail. I suppose we might find out more after the presentation tomorrow. http://www.hotmobile.org/2010/?pid=prog From neiljerram at googlemail.com Mon Feb 22 23:38:36 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:38:36 +0000 Subject: Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner In-Reply-To: <201002222234.06149.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> References: <2e51a0351002221352s7796be9fq5ae84bcafd5490ce@mail.gmail.com> <201002222234.06149.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <49dd78621002221438yb92d504mbd11a3c4e6a3b9f7@mail.gmail.com> On 22 February 2010 22:34, Al Johnson wrote: > > Heavy on headline, light on any useful detail. I suppose we might find out > more after the presentation tomorrow. I was on the verge of writing the same thing. Are they claiming that they can install a rootkit remotely by sending a carefully crafted SMS? (Seems unlikely, given the small number of bytes to play with.) Or that once a rootkit is installed, they can use SMS as a trigger for it? If the latter, how do they get the rootkit on there in the first place? Neil From taw at bitwiz.org.uk Mon Feb 22 23:50:38 2010 From: taw at bitwiz.org.uk (Thomas White) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:50:38 +0100 Subject: Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner In-Reply-To: <49dd78621002221438yb92d504mbd11a3c4e6a3b9f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <2e51a0351002221352s7796be9fq5ae84bcafd5490ce@mail.gmail.com> <201002222234.06149.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <49dd78621002221438yb92d504mbd11a3c4e6a3b9f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100222235038.6475caf2.taw@bitwiz.org.uk> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:38:36 +0000 Neil Jerram wrote: > I was on the verge of writing the same thing. Are they claiming that > they can install a rootkit remotely by sending a carefully crafted > SMS? (Seems unlikely, given the small number of bytes to play with.) > Or that once a rootkit is installed, they can use SMS as a trigger for > it? If the latter, how do they get the rootkit on there in the first > place? From vanous at penguin.cz Tue Feb 23 00:08:53 2010 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:08:53 +0100 Subject: Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner References: <2e51a0351002221352s7796be9fq5ae84bcafd5490ce@mail.gmail.com> <201002222234.06149.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <49dd78621002221438yb92d504mbd11a3c4e6a3b9f7@mail.gmail.com> <20100222235038.6475caf2.taw@bitwiz.org.uk> Message-ID: <20100223000853.39306c5d@vanek.robe.cz> >> I was on the verge of writing the same thing. Are they claiming that >> they can install a rootkit remotely by sending a carefully crafted >> SMS? (Seems unlikely, given the small number of bytes to play with.) >> Or that once a rootkit is installed, they can use SMS as a trigger >> for it? If the latter, how do they get the rootkit on there in the >> first place? > >From one of the linked articles: >http://news.rutgers.edu/medrel/news-releases/2010/02/rutgers-researchers-20100222 Don't know about the others but this got me rolling on the floor. While better security (hopefully not by obscurity) is the ultimate goal, as my middleware fails to bring up GSM interface 9 of 10 times lately, i guess i am pretty safe from any bad hackers' attacks! :))) Petr From vollkorn at cryptobitch.de Tue Feb 23 01:18:10 2010 From: vollkorn at cryptobitch.de (Jan Girlich) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 01:18:10 +0100 Subject: Mic volume extremely soft after buzz fix with SHR unstable In-Reply-To: <201002222136.20884.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> References: <1266782945.24416.24.camel@jan-x61> <201002221725.51535.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <1266864339.6013.68.camel@jan-x61> <201002222136.20884.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <1266884290.6013.142.camel@jan-x61> Am Montag, den 22.02.2010, 21:36 +0000 schrieb Al Johnson: > And the rest of the buzz fix? Check the resistance of R4303 (mic case to gold > ring) as described in the SOP. It should be 2k2. Also look for shorts between > pads. Hmmmmmmmmm. It's hard to place the tips properly on the pads or ends of the resistor, but the only reading I got was 0 Ohm. Maybe the guy who did the buzz fix for me placed the bridge he removed back in? Or created a short? I can't see any short visually, but I didn't look with any magnifying glass yet. I'll have a further look into it. Jan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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While > better security (hopefully not by obscurity) is the ultimate goal, as > my middleware fails to bring up GSM interface 9 of 10 times lately, i > guess i am pretty safe from any bad hackers' attacks! :))) > > Petr well said! good gref i am more worried about my phone going into the coma-like suspend where no buttons or screen work, then the off chance someone might write a hacktool for a phone 0.02% of people know about and 0.01% actually use From rms at 1407.org Tue Feb 23 01:36:35 2010 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:36:35 +0000 Subject: Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner In-Reply-To: <2e51a0351002221352s7796be9fq5ae84bcafd5490ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <2e51a0351002221352s7796be9fq5ae84bcafd5490ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B832313.4020207@1407.org> Em 22-02-2010 21:52, Andrew Stephen escreveu: > http://www.technewsdaily.com/hacked-smartphones-could-be-used-to-spy-on-you-100222-0237/ > > --8<-- > The researchers say their intent is not to just scare people, but to > inspire action. "What we?re doing today is raising a warning flag," > Iftode said. "We?re showing that people with general computer > proficiency can create rootkit malware for smart phones. The next step > is to work on defenses." > > The team used an open-source smartphone called the Openmoko FreeRunner > running Linux software, but they emphasized that with enough time and > effort, any smartphone operating system can be attacked with malware. > > The Rutgers team plans to use their results to inspire developers to > create new ways to detect and prevent rootkit attacks on smartphones > because none exist right now. > --8<-- Considering the number of things I have to turn off, I'm not surprised anyone found a way to deliver malware through SHR. Rui From andrew.stephen at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 02:41:56 2010 From: andrew.stephen at gmail.com (Andrew Stephen) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:41:56 +1300 Subject: [SHR-U] shr-launcher cannot set categories Message-ID: <2e51a0351002221741q9928d64k7788030c2c33b051@mail.gmail.com> I've regularly tried launcher since soon after the first release, and have never been successful adding applications to the categories. I have just tried this again, on a freshly upgraded SHR-U. I installed via "opkg install shr-launcher" When I go to "Category -> Set App Categories" I get an empty list: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/d828b0e8a5cfa71a3792895dba6ed314.png If I click on the "Category" button and choose a category from the drop list, I get an immediate segmentation fault with no other error shown. If I go to "Configure" and tap the "App Icons" -> "Category" and choose a category button I also get a segmentation fault with no other error. In both cases I get the following on stdout: restoring state db ver:37 showing window Getting SMS data.. Getting Calls data.. dbus init over. opim data pending...... Updating SMS data.. Updating Calls Data.. and this on stderr: Segmentation fault Is there anything else I should try? -- Andrew Stephen http://www.evil.geek.nz/ It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious. - Oscar Wilde From andrew.stephen at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 02:46:36 2010 From: andrew.stephen at gmail.com (Andrew Stephen) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:46:36 +1300 Subject: [SHR-U] shr-launcher cannot set categories In-Reply-To: <2e51a0351002221741q9928d64k7788030c2c33b051@mail.gmail.com> References: <2e51a0351002221741q9928d64k7788030c2c33b051@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2e51a0351002221746s1b9d04c6xd7280f5e9b1e292f@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Andrew Stephen wrote: > I've regularly tried launcher since soon after the first release, and > have never been successful adding applications to the categories. ?I > have just tried this again, on a freshly upgraded SHR-U. > > I installed via "opkg install shr-launcher" Sorry, I forgot to say: root at om-gta02 - $ opkg list_installed | grep shr-launcher shr-launcher - 0.0.1+svnr102-r5.4 -- Andrew From yoric-k at yandex.ru Tue Feb 23 08:06:19 2010 From: yoric-k at yandex.ru (Yoric Kotchukov) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:06:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: discharge the battery during the long charge (trigger very wide) Message-ID: <1266908779239-4617378.post@n2.nabble.com> Saluto! Linux neo 2.6.29-GTA02_qtmoko-v16-mokodev #1 PREEMPT Sun Dec 20 18:36:16 CET 2009 armv4tl GNU/Linux When you long to find a charger (usb/wall), FR A6 first gaining charge (CAPACITY = 100), then runs down a small current. After a half days: POWER_SUPPLY_STATUS=Not charging POWER_SUPPLY_HEALTH=Good POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_NOW=4027000 POWER_SUPPLY_CURRENT_NOW=9375 POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=1163463 POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW=970861 POWER_SUPPLY_TEMP=286 POWER_SUPPLY_TECHNOLOGY=Li-ion POWER_SUPPLY_PRESENT=1 POWER_SUPPLY_TIME_TO_EMPTY_NOW=391620 POWER_SUPPLY_TIME_TO_FULL_NOW=3932100 POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY=83 POWER_SUPPLY_ONLINE=1 1/5 the charge is lost at the moment ((( ----- Thank you for your attention. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/discharge-the-battery-during-the-long-charge-trigger-very-wide-tp4617378p4617378.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From qmaster at rambler.ru Tue Feb 23 08:03:13 2010 From: qmaster at rambler.ru (Vladimir Berezenko) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:03:13 +0300 Subject: Mic volume extremely soft after buzz fix with SHR unstable In-Reply-To: <1266850857.6013.38.camel@jan-x61> References: <1266782945.24416.24.camel@jan-x61> <201002221303.38670.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <1266850857.6013.38.camel@jan-x61> Message-ID: <1266908593.18860.2.camel@Q-Masters> ? ???, 22/02/2010 ? 16:00 +0100, Jan Girlich ?????: > I'm afraid something might be gone wrong with my buzz fix. Had a look at > it yesterday evening and noticed one of the soldering points is really > weak. Maybe that could be a reason? Too little of a connection from the > capacitor to the resistor? It might be that you have your mic dead. I've replaced my own because it came already dead. The symptoms were the same. You must cry loud to micro and on the other end someone hears you very silent. -- WBR, Vladimir Berezenko From vollkorn at cryptobitch.de Tue Feb 23 08:28:27 2010 From: vollkorn at cryptobitch.de (Jan Girlich) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:28:27 +0100 Subject: Mic volume extremely soft after buzz fix with SHR unstable In-Reply-To: <1266908593.18860.2.camel@Q-Masters> References: <1266782945.24416.24.camel@jan-x61> <201002221303.38670.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <1266850857.6013.38.camel@jan-x61> <1266908593.18860.2.camel@Q-Masters> Message-ID: <1266910107.4062.1.camel@jan-x61> Am Dienstag, den 23.02.2010, 10:03 +0300 schrieb Vladimir Berezenko: > ? ???, 22/02/2010 ? 16:00 +0100, Jan Girlich ?????: > > > I'm afraid something might be gone wrong with my buzz fix. Had a look at > > it yesterday evening and noticed one of the soldering points is really > > weak. Maybe that could be a reason? Too little of a connection from the > > capacitor to the resistor? > > It might be that you have your mic dead. I've replaced my own because > it came already dead. The symptoms were the same. You must cry loud to > micro and on the other end someone hears you very silent. Any way to conclusively check if it's the mic? And how did you get it replaced? I wouldn't be able to do the soldering work myself. Cheers Jan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I hope we fix that soon. -- Michael Smith +61 416 062 898 http://glitch.tl From jackramone at googlemail.com Tue Feb 23 09:23:31 2010 From: jackramone at googlemail.com (Jakob) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:23:31 +0100 Subject: Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner In-Reply-To: <20100223183905.a2f9174d.openmoko@netapps.com.au> References: <2e51a0351002221352s7796be9fq5ae84bcafd5490ce@mail.gmail.com> <20100223183905.a2f9174d.openmoko@netapps.com.au> Message-ID: <85aed13c1002230023x2100b039s18e496726d6c967c@mail.gmail.com> On 2/23/10, Michael Smith wrote: > Having your web browser run as root is very dangerous. I hope we fix that > soon. > -- > Michael Smith > +61 416 062 898 > http://glitch.tl > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > It's not hard to run your browser on the neo as user. Though it should be made default. e.g. in SHR one could ask the user at first startup to create a user and then run the browser, piding and all those internet applications with the rights of this user. Jake From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Tue Feb 23 09:45:40 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:45:40 +0200 Subject: discharge the battery during the long charge (trigger very wide) In-Reply-To: <1266908779239-4617378.post@n2.nabble.com> (Yoric Kotchukov's message of "Mon\, 22 Feb 2010 23\:06\:19 -0800 \(PST\)") References: <1266908779239-4617378.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <84eikcuyq3.fsf@sauna.l.org> Yoric Kotchukov writes: > POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY=83 > POWER_SUPPLY_ONLINE=1 > > 1/5 the charge is lost at the moment ((( That's a feature afaik. Look at the bug reports on similar issues. From mike at mikecrash.com Tue Feb 23 10:05:31 2010 From: mike at mikecrash.com (Mike Crash) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 01:05:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1266915931511-4617760.post@n2.nabble.com> Actually, I don't know, why everybody needs a phone. The community should aim at simple PDA with GPS, WiFi, BT and camera. This all is without any license fees and can be made to work. The phone is nice, but do you really need such a device, where you can navigate in car/outdoors and in the same time take a call? I will prefer a simple small commercial phone with other such device. If I drive in car, I don't need WiFi, just a GSP, if I'm outdoors, I need GSP, if I'm in restaurant, I need WiFi, if I'm in bus stop, I need BT to connect to my phone with GPSR. I need only one such a function at a time, but what I need always - is a phone. I want to call when I'm in a car, in a bus stop, in a restaurant, in a wood and I don't want to break my navigation, mailing, browsing every time I get a phone. A phone has wifi and GPS as a nice option, but to have separate device with all that functionality is much more usable. I'm using Neo as PDA without sim card. I'm glad how it works - in last update to xorg 7.5 the glamo works very well and fast. EFL is very fast on that, GTK is worse. We should aim at software now. The next step should be to make nice PDA device with GPS, WiFi and BT and with OLED display (LCD is out). Camera would be nice, but not needed. Forget the phone, it will be always problem for open source. There is not big problem in designing such a device. And also, it will have longer life then a phone. But - will there be enough people, who will buy it? It needs to manufacture thousands of units - so thousands of buyers. Will be? If yes, we can design such a device and I will be first, who will start to draw a schematic. We can create a phone as a next step in the future, but not now. This is a very bad idea. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/OM-future-tp4526699p4617760.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rms at 1407.org Tue Feb 23 12:21:48 2010 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:21:48 +0000 Subject: Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner In-Reply-To: <85aed13c1002230023x2100b039s18e496726d6c967c@mail.gmail.com> References: <2e51a0351002221352s7796be9fq5ae84bcafd5490ce@mail.gmail.com> <20100223183905.a2f9174d.openmoko@netapps.com.au> <85aed13c1002230023x2100b039s18e496726d6c967c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B83BA4C.5010602@1407.org> Em 23-02-2010 08:23, Jakob escreveu: > On 2/23/10, Michael Smith wrote: >> Having your web browser run as root is very dangerous. I hope we fix that >> soon. >> -- >> Michael Smith >> +61 416 062 898 >> http://glitch.tl >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community at lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > It's not hard to run your browser on the neo as user. Though it should > be made default. > e.g. in SHR one could ask the user at first startup to create a user > and then run the browser, piding and all those internet applications > with the rights of this user. Everything should be run as the user. Using dbus should be enough for getting the priviledged stuff done at FSO level. Rui From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Tue Feb 23 12:43:40 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:43:40 +0200 Subject: Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner In-Reply-To: <4B83BA4C.5010602@1407.org> (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra's message of "Tue\, 23 Feb 2010 11\:21\:48 +0000") References: <2e51a0351002221352s7796be9fq5ae84bcafd5490ce@mail.gmail.com> <20100223183905.a2f9174d.openmoko@netapps.com.au> <85aed13c1002230023x2100b039s18e496726d6c967c@mail.gmail.com> <4B83BA4C.5010602@1407.org> Message-ID: <841vgcuqhf.fsf@sauna.l.org> Rui Miguel Silva Seabra writes: > Everything should be run as the user. Using dbus should be enough for > getting the priviledged stuff done at FSO level. Note that running as a normal user might not limit your privileges that much on openmoko: #2321 any user can run wmiconfig -i eth0 --power maxperf http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2321 From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 23 13:15:58 2010 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:15:58 +0000 Subject: Mic volume extremely soft after buzz fix with SHR unstable In-Reply-To: <1266910107.4062.1.camel@jan-x61> References: <1266782945.24416.24.camel@jan-x61> <1266908593.18860.2.camel@Q-Masters> <1266910107.4062.1.camel@jan-x61> Message-ID: <201002231215.58586.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Tuesday 23 February 2010, Jan Girlich wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 23.02.2010, 10:03 +0300 schrieb Vladimir Berezenko: > > ? ???, 22/02/2010 ? 16:00 +0100, Jan Girlich ?????: > > > I'm afraid something might be gone wrong with my buzz fix. Had a look > > > at it yesterday evening and noticed one of the soldering points is > > > really weak. Maybe that could be a reason? Too little of a connection > > > from the capacitor to the resistor? > > > > It might be that you have your mic dead. I've replaced my own because > > it came already dead. The symptoms were the same. You must cry loud to > > micro and on the other end someone hears you very silent. > > Any way to conclusively check if it's the mic? And how did you get it > replaced? I wouldn't be able to do the soldering work myself. The short to ground at R4303 means that even with a working mic you will have little to no signal. You will need to get that fixed before you can test the mic. From itman at gmx.net Tue Feb 23 13:16:54 2010 From: itman at gmx.net (DRSp.) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:16:54 +0100 Subject: Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner In-Reply-To: <2e51a0351002221352s7796be9fq5ae84bcafd5490ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <2e51a0351002221352s7796be9fq5ae84bcafd5490ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B83C736.9060202@gmx.net> Am 22.02.2010 22:52, schrieb Andrew Stephen: > http://www.technewsdaily.com/hacked-smartphones-could-be-used-to-spy-on-you-100222-0237/ > > --8<-- > The researchers say their intent is not to just scare people, but to > inspire action. "What we?re doing today is raising a warning flag," > Iftode said. "We?re showing that people with general computer > proficiency can create rootkit malware for smart phones. The next step > is to work on defenses." > > The team used an open-source smartphone called the Openmoko FreeRunner > running Linux software, but they emphasized that with enough time and > effort, any smartphone operating system can be attacked with malware. > > The Rutgers team plans to use their results to inspire developers to > create new ways to detect and prevent rootkit attacks on smartphones > because none exist right now. > --8<-- > > > Pff - what a headline... Don't forget, we're talking unix here. Some folks with different OS in their smartphones should worry a bit more. I guess. From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 23 13:25:08 2010 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:25:08 +0000 Subject: Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner In-Reply-To: <841vgcuqhf.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <2e51a0351002221352s7796be9fq5ae84bcafd5490ce@mail.gmail.com> <4B83BA4C.5010602@1407.org> <841vgcuqhf.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <201002231225.08412.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Tuesday 23 February 2010, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > Rui Miguel Silva Seabra writes: > > Everything should be run as the user. Using dbus should be enough for > > getting the priviledged stuff done at FSO level. > > Note that running as a normal user might not limit your privileges > that much on openmoko: > > #2321 any user can run wmiconfig -i eth0 --power maxperf > http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2321 It does make it harder to install a rootkit though, and without a rootkit the actions and the malware remain detectable. It has been noted before that most of the things we care about on a phone are things the user has to have access to. What we want is a permission system that limits access to resources by application, not just by user. From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 23 13:44:28 2010 From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:44:28 +0000 Subject: discharge the battery during the long charge (trigger very wide) In-Reply-To: <1266908779239-4617378.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1266908779239-4617378.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <201002231244.29052.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> On Tuesday 23 February 2010, Yoric Kotchukov wrote: > Saluto! > > Linux neo 2.6.29-GTA02_qtmoko-v16-mokodev #1 PREEMPT Sun Dec 20 18:36:16 > CET 2009 armv4tl GNU/Linux > > When you long to find a charger (usb/wall), FR A6 first gaining charge > (CAPACITY = 100), then runs down a small current. After a half days: > > POWER_SUPPLY_STATUS=Not charging > POWER_SUPPLY_HEALTH=Good > POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_NOW=4027000 > POWER_SUPPLY_CURRENT_NOW=9375 > POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=1163463 > POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW=970861 > POWER_SUPPLY_TEMP=286 > POWER_SUPPLY_TECHNOLOGY=Li-ion > POWER_SUPPLY_PRESENT=1 > POWER_SUPPLY_TIME_TO_EMPTY_NOW=391620 > POWER_SUPPLY_TIME_TO_FULL_NOW=3932100 > POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY=83 > POWER_SUPPLY_ONLINE=1 > > 1/5 the charge is lost at the moment ((( It's not a bug, it's a feature ;-) Seriously, it really is a feature. Holding LiIon batteries at 100% charge for extended periods degrades the battery. If we did that then you would soon have a battery that could only hold 80% (or less) of the charge that it could originally. Instead we let the battery discharge a bit, then top it up, which helps preserve the battery's ability to hold charge. The worst case is that you unplug the charger just before charging starts again. You still have ~80% of the original capacity, so runtime is no worse than with the battery damaged by holding at full charge. From dscaini at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 15:20:33 2010 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:20:33 +0100 Subject: Mcnavi maps and ipk Message-ID: <18db98c81002230620p3d6bdbf6m40eba574ecf8d272@mail.gmail.com> Hi guys, after the release of mcnavi - in which we're all really interested - i tought that it may be useful to share osm processed maps for mcnavi (since it took me some hour and some GBs to convert whole italy). So I made a project on sourceforge to collect the maps: https://sourceforge.net/projects/mcnavimaps/files/ (I had no idea how to share "huge" files in a good-fashioned way.) There you can find right now Italy and Belgium maps (thanks to Luca). If you're interested in sharing your maps contact me. I plan to release at least Italy every month. 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URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100223/ed8048d5/attachment.htm From ifindleton at videotron.ca Tue Feb 23 19:01:55 2010 From: ifindleton at videotron.ca (Iain B. Findleton) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:01:55 -0500 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <1266915931511-4617760.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <1266915931511-4617760.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B841813.7090204@videotron.ca> Mike Crash wrote: > Actually, I don't know, why everybody needs a phone. The community should aim > at simple PDA with GPS, WiFi, BT and camera. This all is without any license > fees and can be made to work. The phone is nice, but do you really need such > a device, where you can navigate in car/outdoors and in the same time take a > call? I will prefer a simple small commercial phone with other such device. > If I drive in car, I don't need WiFi, just a GSP, if I'm outdoors, I need > GSP, if I'm in restaurant, I need WiFi, if I'm in bus stop, I need BT to > connect to my phone with GPSR. I need only one such a function at a time, > but what I need always - is a phone. I want to call when I'm in a car, in a > bus stop, in a restaurant, in a wood and I don't want to break my > navigation, mailing, browsing every time I get a phone. > > A phone has wifi and GPS as a nice option, but to have separate device with > all that functionality is much more usable. I'm using Neo as PDA without sim > card. I'm glad how it works - in last update to xorg 7.5 the glamo works > very well and fast. EFL is very fast on that, GTK is worse. We should aim at > software now. > > The next step should be to make nice PDA device with GPS, WiFi and BT and > with OLED display (LCD is out). Camera would be nice, but not needed. Forget > the phone, it will be always problem for open source. > > There is not big problem in designing such a device. And also, it will have > longer life then a phone. But - will there be enough people, who will buy > it? It needs to manufacture thousands of units - so thousands of buyers. > Will be? If yes, we can design such a device and I will be first, who will > start to draw a schematic. > > We can create a phone as a next step in the future, but not now. This is a > very bad idea. > Don't really agree at all with this position. It appears to me to be pretty clear that as hardware improves more and more things now done on laptops will be done on handheld devices with phone/wifi/bluetooth/ir capabilities. Right now you can comfortably run a small business on your Neo. In future, such a device will have large memory, fast processing, low power consumption, better graphics and more applications. If anything, more sensors (weather, compass, software radio, broadcast signals, ir) would expand the use of the single device. I observe my kids, who pretty much do everything I use a laptop or desktop for on their phones. Theonly complaint is the phone is slow compared to the other machines. This will certainly become an artifact over the next few years. The Neo to me is the rough equivalent of a 2000 vintage laptop with significant improvements in capabilities. While I don't know if the openmoko crowd can make any progress on a next generation device, someone will make such progress, and I believe that is where the future of personal use computing will go. Improvements in human interface design are needed to make these things easier to use, but think of MSDOS and what we consider normal today. The same leap of technology will occur on these phone like devices. I also want to have to carry less techno-junk, not more. Its true that single purpose devices are easier to produce, but a pocket full of them weighs you down, requires you to learn more procedures for different devices, and you run out of plugs in the house for chargers. Iain F. From elektranox at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 19:18:57 2010 From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:18:57 +0100 Subject: RTC failure in January (was: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner) In-Reply-To: <49dd78621001241004o476fc3e5wbeb1b61b49a653a@mail.gmail.com> References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78621001141441g659154f6lcd475535ed46ddf4@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78621001181321i7aaf9609yb76f38eccf5698c0@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78621001241004o476fc3e5wbeb1b61b49a653a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100223181857.GA4473@earth.universe> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 06:04:02PM +0000, Neil Jerram wrote: > 2010/1/24 Andy Poling : > > > > I finally looked into it, and this is the problem (with RTC debugging > > enabled): [...] > > Wow, what a fantastic bug! So, IIUC, it will only strike someone who > upgraded in January from a kernel without Werner's change, to one with > Werner's change - because the old kernel will have left a 0 value in > pcf->time[PCF50606_TI_MONTH]. > > Amazing :-) Great investigation too. I'm really pleased that this is > understood now and is going to be fixed. > > What about the attached patch to ease transition, and to get a working > RTC before February? > > Regards, > Neil Hi, what happened with this patch? My FR ran out of power, which resulted in a reset RTC. Now I can't set it back to current time, because of hwclock's read. -- Sebastian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Neo can be used as GPS, for access to internet (especially reading), book reading, as MP3 player etc. But not as mobile office. If you are "clicker", yes, but for real work no. Also consider the open source community - it has not the power to take the lead. And no power to make really open phone. Not without any involvement of some big manufacturer. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/OM-future-tp4526699p4620887.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From GNUtoo at no-log.org Tue Feb 23 19:42:25 2010 From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (GNUtoo) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:42:25 +0100 Subject: Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner In-Reply-To: <20100223000853.39306c5d@vanek.robe.cz> References: <2e51a0351002221352s7796be9fq5ae84bcafd5490ce@mail.gmail.com> <201002222234.06149.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <49dd78621002221438yb92d504mbd11a3c4e6a3b9f7@mail.gmail.com> <20100222235038.6475caf2.taw@bitwiz.org.uk> <20100223000853.39306c5d@vanek.robe.cz> Message-ID: <1266950545.3767.3.camel@gnutoo-desktop> On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 00:08 +0100, Petr Vanek wrote: > as > my middleware fails to bring up GSM interface 9 of 10 times lately, i > guess i am pretty safe from any bad hackers' attacks! But what if you get attacked from wifi? I think we need help on security in openembedded(the build system SHR uses): *no security team and potentially outdated and vulnerable packages,but sometimes people fix security bugs... *On SHR and many default images root is the only user *I bet we have no selinux support but because of the previous issues it becomes irrelevant. Denis. From matthias at eller-net.de Tue Feb 23 20:03:08 2010 From: matthias at eller-net.de (Matthias Eller) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:03:08 +0100 Subject: Jefliks Jabber-Client release In-Reply-To: <18db98c81002170816s3ec55078j4acc7521b52cd83c@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e7398031002141246x64fb56c3y942fb3c718e4fd52@mail.gmail.com> <201002171625.54551.david@garabana.com> <18db98c81002170816s3ec55078j4acc7521b52cd83c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <201002232003.08393.matthias@eller-net.de> Am Mittwoch 17 Februar 2010 schrieb Davide Scaini: > "IO Error 7" > I have the same error. 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Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100223/1c480dac/attachment.pgp From rakshat at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 20:26:24 2010 From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:56:24 +0530 Subject: SHR Stable Party In-Reply-To: <69a2e4551002191023n1f855ad1na001b36210a23e96@mail.gmail.com> References: <69a2e4551002191023n1f855ad1na001b36210a23e96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69a2e4551002231126w2a570628s73ff63bf22fe1a5e@mail.gmail.com> As we build up to the SHR Stable renaming of SHR Testing and (hopefully) a number of SHR Stable parties across the world, I have been thinking about what all we can do to create more awareness about SHR (and FSO) among embeded developers as well as users. Three ideas have come to me (as in within the last miniute so please excuse if they are not developed properly) 1) We need to create press releases that we can emai/ mail/ fax to our local (or global for that matter) tech media outlets. Actually I am thinking of 2 sets of press releases. One for the various developer communities who may be interested and one for the general public focuses media. The general public press release needs to give an idea of what SHR is, what it is trying to acheive,its benifits and usefullness etc with screen shots. The community announcement can be more technical and also acknowledge the core developers (if they agree). I see these going out to the tech editor of your local newspaper, tech blogging sites, news agencies, maybe some companies too along with the big tech news websites. If we all send these out in our own regions we may get some coverage 2) This weekend I am going to make a questionnaire for the SHR core team asking questions about the history of SHR (how it came to be, who were the key people in the begining etc), who all are working on it currently and what all are they contributing, what technologies and toolkits SHR uses and supports, Why SHR should be used, What are the future plans and new targeted platforms, What help do they need, What contributions the community can make etc. I will post the questionnaire on these mailing lists and maybe the SHR-devloper list too. Once the answers are there maybe some of you with bolgs can edit and make an article for your blogs/ for sending to magazines for publication. 3) If someone can make a small SHR user logo, the SHR users can put it on their blogs/ websites. Please send feedback and more ideas. Rakshat PS - Also add your names for the various SHR Stable parties http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_Party_Page On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:53 PM, rakshat hooja wrote: > As promised I have put together a very basic framework of the SHR Stable > release party planning page > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_Party_Page > > Please go through it and add your information/ improve it/ send feedback. > > Currently it is only linked from the SHR page on the OM wiki > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR#SHR.2FStable_release_party > > Please let me know the other places it should be linked from (main SHR > wiki?) > > > Rakshat > > -- > -------------- > Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and > is also a very feature rich browser. > www.firefox.com > > -- -------------- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100224/857115de/attachment.htm From mike at mikecrash.com Tue Feb 23 21:25:40 2010 From: mike at mikecrash.com (Mike Crash) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:25:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Mcnavi maps and ipk In-Reply-To: <18db98c81002230620p3d6bdbf6m40eba574ecf8d272@mail.gmail.com> References: <18db98c81002230620p3d6bdbf6m40eba574ecf8d272@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1266956740688-4621513.post@n2.nabble.com> I plan to write script which will generate the maps and upload it to gps-routes.info for download. Also it would be nice to package the maps as deb and make a regular updates via apt-get. I'm only waiting for fixing the bugs in osm2mcmap - so please be patient, there is much to do. You can download only the boundaries data, which may be usefull now. If you send me the IPK, i can add it to this site too. And - for download is new version with some bugs fixed and some new functionality. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Mcnavi-maps-and-ipk-tp4619065p4621513.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rms at 1407.org Tue Feb 23 22:02:17 2010 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:02:17 +0000 Subject: Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner In-Reply-To: <1266950545.3767.3.camel@gnutoo-desktop> References: <2e51a0351002221352s7796be9fq5ae84bcafd5490ce@mail.gmail.com> <201002222234.06149.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> <49dd78621002221438yb92d504mbd11a3c4e6a3b9f7@mail.gmail.com> <20100222235038.6475caf2.taw@bitwiz.org.uk> <20100223000853.39306c5d@vanek.robe.cz> <1266950545.3767.3.camel@gnutoo-desktop> Message-ID: <4B844259.7080302@1407.org> Em 23-02-2010 18:42, GNUtoo escreveu: > On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 00:08 +0100, Petr Vanek wrote: >> as >> my middleware fails to bring up GSM interface 9 of 10 times lately, i >> guess i am pretty safe from any bad hackers' attacks! > But what if you get attacked from wifi? > I think we need help on security in openembedded(the build system SHR > uses): > *no security team and potentially outdated and vulnerable packages,but > sometimes people fix security bugs... > *On SHR and many default images root is the only user > *I bet we have no selinux support but because of the previous issues it > becomes irrelevant. I'd like to help with that, if someone could introduce me to the right people. My technical background is on systems and firewalls administration at the portuguese payments network. Best, Rui From shawn.t.rutledge at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 22:03:23 2010 From: shawn.t.rutledge at gmail.com (Shawn Rutledge) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:03:23 -0700 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <1266915931511-4617760.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <1266915931511-4617760.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Mike Crash wrote: > Actually, I don't know, why everybody needs a phone. The community should aim > at simple PDA with GPS, WiFi, BT and camera. This all is without any license Personally I don't talk on the phone a lot, but it's nice to have an "always-on" wireless network rather than having to find WiFi access points (which use encryption or require some kind of sign-in way too often anyway). I use my iPhone to google stuff a lot, even though it's only edge (pretty slow). Most of the time when I'm away from home I'd rather put up with the slow edge network than mess around with connecting to an AP, figuring out why it doesn't work, and then having it go away when I'm out of range. Of course it depends on how much you pay for your GSM and whether the limits are reasonable. But it's easy to imagine the future, that say 10 years from now the internet is mostly wireless and your devices are nearly always connected, with transparent roaming... no need to manually scan and connect to networks. That's how it needs to be for the best usability. So these comments that a PDA is good enough sound luddite to me, although they do follow the pattern than the open-source world is usually behind the curve, repeating what has been done rather than innovating. Personally I don't like carrying multiple devices either. I use an iPhone because it just works, does everything that can be done on either a PDA or a phone so far (except multitasking), and I can develop for it too. (Too bad it's so darn closed though.) Maybe the next OM device ought to be on one of the next-gen networks like WiMax or LTE. I have no idea what kind of hardware is required for that, but early on I didn't get the impression that WiMax was any more of a closed architecture than usual (e.g. there would be multiple radio suppliers, and the spec is obtainable). Or even invent a new, open network. That would be far-out (in both senses: very cool, and quite the project). GnuRadio provides a starting point. From rms at 1407.org Tue Feb 23 22:02:50 2010 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:02:50 +0000 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <1266950482376-4620887.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <1266915931511-4617760.post@n2.nabble.com> <4B841813.7090204@videotron.ca> <1266950482376-4620887.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B84427A.2000203@1407.org> Em 23-02-2010 18:41, Mike Crash escreveu: > You talk something else than me. I didn't said anything about usage and > development, only about the phone. Take a today phone and try to use it as > GPS. In some hours you are out of battery, not very usable for a weekend in > nature. I think that can be said of each and every computer with Neo's capabilities (or better). > You say, that Neo is like laptop in 2000? Nope, on laptop you can > write documents, make programming etc. On neo you cannot I beg your pardon? WRT typing: Neo doesn't have a keyboard (only on screen emulation). Get a laptop from 2000 without a keyboard or mouse. Neo can do more (you can type on the screen). Now add a bluetooth keyboard: suddenly you can type a lot better. > The small screen is very limited. Yes and no. The advantage of being a nice GNU/Linux computer is that you get your normal applications. The advantage is, you get your normal applications but they are not thought for small screens. We need smaller UIs, I recently asked the AbiWord guys to promote a Google SoC > Neo can be used as GPS, for access to internet (especially reading), book > reading, as MP3 player etc. But not as mobile office. If you are "clicker", > yes, but for real work no. > > Also consider the open source community - it has not the power to take the > lead. And no power to make really open phone. Not without any involvement of > some big manufacturer. From ifindleton at videotron.ca Tue Feb 23 22:35:17 2010 From: ifindleton at videotron.ca (Iain B. Findleton) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:35:17 -0500 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <1266950482376-4620887.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <1266915931511-4617760.post@n2.nabble.com> <4B841813.7090204@videotron.ca> <1266950482376-4620887.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4B844A15.3080904@videotron.ca> Mike Crash wrote: > You talk something else than me. I didn't said anything about usage and > development, only about the phone. Take a today phone and try to use it as > GPS. In some hours you are out of battery, not very usable for a weekend in > nature. You say, that Neo is like laptop in 2000? Nope, on laptop you can > write documents, make programming etc. On neo you cannot. The small screen > is very limited. > > Neo can be used as GPS, for access to internet (especially reading), book > reading, as MP3 player etc. But not as mobile office. If you are "clicker", > yes, but for real work no. > > Also consider the open source community - it has not the power to take the > lead. And no power to make really open phone. Not without any involvement of > some big manufacturer. > Well, I make extensive use of the Neo via usb networking and X forwarding. You can program on it. I have a pretty good editor(s) on the Neo, and I mostly write script applications, so pretty well all development can be done right on the phone. The display and keyboard are non-issues with X forwarding. Cross compilation is faster than the Neo compilations, but even that works fine. I have a word processor on the Neo which I also use via X forwarding. There are lots of other apps available as well. Yes the power is a pain, but its a development box. Next generations will not have the power problems. I am thinking of the future, not the past. As to the powerless open source community, I wonder what Linus or Stallman would say to that? Actually, I don't care. You can always crack an HTC or a Nokia or a iPhone or an Android phone and install Linux. Perhaps Openmoko won't get anywhere, but someone will. From neiljerram at googlemail.com Tue Feb 23 23:40:26 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:40:26 +0000 Subject: RTC failure in January (was: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner) In-Reply-To: <20100223181857.GA4473@earth.universe> References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78621001141441g659154f6lcd475535ed46ddf4@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78621001181321i7aaf9609yb76f38eccf5698c0@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78621001241004o476fc3e5wbeb1b61b49a653a@mail.gmail.com> <20100223181857.GA4473@earth.universe> Message-ID: <49dd78621002231440o373c5853td5356aed954bb259@mail.gmail.com> On 23 February 2010 18:18, Sebastian Reichel wrote: > > Hi, > > what happened with this patch? My FR ran out of power, which > resulted in a reset RTC. Now I can't set it back to current time, > because of hwclock's read. I wasn't able to test it myself, because I don't have a cross-compilation setup, and I never heard of anyone else trying it either. For me, the problem was actually "solved" by trying out SHR-T briefly - while still in January. Then when I switched back to Debian, the RTC was fine again. I remember thinking that I understood this at the time, but right now I can't remember the detailed explanation. In fact, if switching temporarily to another distro/kernel works for you (and for anyone else), that's probably better than having cruft like this patch in your ongoing kernel. Regards, Neil From neiljerram at googlemail.com Tue Feb 23 23:55:19 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:55:19 +0000 Subject: SHR Stable Party In-Reply-To: <69a2e4551002231126w2a570628s73ff63bf22fe1a5e@mail.gmail.com> References: <69a2e4551002191023n1f855ad1na001b36210a23e96@mail.gmail.com> <69a2e4551002231126w2a570628s73ff63bf22fe1a5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49dd78621002231455t738ac36fq422510dc24febf1b@mail.gmail.com> [Not copying shr-user because I'm not subscribed there and so my email will be bounced... But please feel free to add shr-user back again in any followups.] On 23 February 2010 19:26, rakshat hooja wrote: > As we build up to the SHR Stable renaming of SHR Testing and (hopefully) a > number of SHR Stable parties across the world, I have been thinking about > what all we can do to create more awareness about SHR (and FSO) among > embeded developers as well as users. For me personally, the most effective demonstrations - and hence publicity - are good Youtube videos. So I would recommend SHR users to prepare some really slick ones, showing lots of different uses of the phone - and including for phone calls! :-) Then the best of those can be linked from any press releases. I think your other ideas are good too, but some slick, well produced videos would be great. Regards, Neil From mickey at vanille-media.de Wed Feb 24 00:04:31 2010 From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:04:31 +0100 Subject: SHR Stable Party In-Reply-To: <69a2e4551002231126w2a570628s73ff63bf22fe1a5e@mail.gmail.com> References: <69a2e4551002191023n1f855ad1na001b36210a23e96@mail.gmail.com> <69a2e4551002231126w2a570628s73ff63bf22fe1a5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1266966271.2555.16.camel@andromeda> Awesome plan, Rakshat, thanks for your work! We're probably not doing enough PR in general -- next week I'll work on giving the FSO website a new couple of entry pages that document what we're after and why we're better than the competition ;) Cheers, :M: From elektranox at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 00:19:29 2010 From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:19:29 +0100 Subject: RTC failure in January (was: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner) In-Reply-To: <49dd78621002231440o373c5853td5356aed954bb259@mail.gmail.com> References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78621001141441g659154f6lcd475535ed46ddf4@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78621001181321i7aaf9609yb76f38eccf5698c0@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78621001241004o476fc3e5wbeb1b61b49a653a@mail.gmail.com> <20100223181857.GA4473@earth.universe> <49dd78621002231440o373c5853td5356aed954bb259@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100223231929.GA7080@earth.universe> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 10:40:26PM +0000, Neil Jerram wrote: > On 23 February 2010 18:18, Sebastian Reichel wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > what happened with this patch? My FR ran out of power, which > > resulted in a reset RTC. Now I can't set it back to current time, > > because of hwclock's read. > > I wasn't able to test it myself, because I don't have a > cross-compilation setup, and I never heard of anyone else trying it > either. > > For me, the problem was actually "solved" by trying out SHR-T briefly > - while still in January. Then when I switched back to Debian, the > RTC was fine again. I remember thinking that I understood this at the > time, but right now I can't remember the detailed explanation. > > In fact, if switching temporarily to another distro/kernel works for > you (and for anyone else), that's probably better than having cruft > like this patch in your ongoing kernel. I just tried the patch and it seems to work. It will be included in the next Debian kernel. -- Sebastian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It will be included in the > next Debian kernel. OK, cool, thanks. (Wow, my first ever kernel patch!) Neil From brolin at brolin.be Wed Feb 24 06:14:13 2010 From: brolin at brolin.be (Brolin Empey) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:14:13 -0800 Subject: QtMoko predictive keyboard weirdness In-Reply-To: <7c888a190912180833x47a80ae4l803e62014faf6737@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c888a190912180833x47a80ae4l803e62014faf6737@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B84B5A5.6090908@brolin.be> I know this reply is >2 months late, but better late than never, right? Anyway, have you tried using the Docked Keyboard? I use it; it suggests completions based on the letters of a word entered so far. I do not know if this is what you meant by ?predictive keyboard?, but it is sufficient for me. I am still using QtMoko v14 but, AFAIK, the Docked Keyboard?s behaviour has not changed since I started using QtMoko at v11. From mike at mikecrash.com Wed Feb 24 06:45:48 2010 From: mike at mikecrash.com (Mike Crash) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:45:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <4B844A15.3080904@videotron.ca> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <1266915931511-4617760.post@n2.nabble.com> <4B841813.7090204@videotron.ca> <1266950482376-4620887.post@n2.nabble.com> <4B844A15.3080904@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <1266990348884-4623910.post@n2.nabble.com> OK, but this is not what I mean. Also I talk about hardware, not software. The beginning of OM was because of FIC. We need a manufacturer, who can refund manufacturing of samples and the final fabrication. Also look at other devices and how many software there is for. There is a lot of software for Neo ported from desktop, but on Neo unusable. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/OM-future-tp4526699p4623910.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From psonek2 at seznam.cz Wed Feb 24 08:58:48 2010 From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:58:48 +0100 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <1266915931511-4617760.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <1266915931511-4617760.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <201002240858.48936.psonek2@seznam.cz> On Tuesday 23 February 2010 10:05:31 Mike Crash wrote: > We can create a phone as a next step in the future, but not now. This is a > very bad idea. I cant agree. I have N770 which is great PDA. If Neo was just PDA i would never bought it. Neo is very nice piece of hardware. But the hardware needs some fixes. I think gta-core project does exactly what is needed. If it had better case and design (or you could choose from alternative cases - e.g. white color for girls and women) and if it was cheap, it could be quite successful phone. Regards Radek From rakshat at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 09:15:41 2010 From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:45:41 +0530 Subject: SHR Stable Party In-Reply-To: <69a2e4551002231126w2a570628s73ff63bf22fe1a5e@mail.gmail.com> References: <69a2e4551002191023n1f855ad1na001b36210a23e96@mail.gmail.com> <69a2e4551002231126w2a570628s73ff63bf22fe1a5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69a2e4551002240015i1add5d5fj1bdb03b08093aa30@mail.gmail.com> I have near zero graphic skills but I have modified a place holder logo for the SHR Party page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:SHR-Party-Logo.png This is only there till someone can provide a better logo. Rakshat On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:56 AM, rakshat hooja wrote: > As we build up to the SHR Stable renaming of SHR Testing and (hopefully) a > number of SHR Stable parties across the world, I have been thinking about > what all we can do to create more awareness about SHR (and FSO) among > embeded developers as well as users. Three ideas have come to me (as in > within the last miniute so please excuse if they are not developed properly) > > 1) We need to create press releases that we can emai/ mail/ fax to our > local (or global for that matter) tech media outlets. Actually I am thinking > of 2 sets of press releases. One for the various developer communities who > may be interested and one for the general public focuses media. The general > public press release needs to give an idea of what SHR is, what it is trying > to acheive,its benifits and usefullness etc with screen shots. The community > announcement can be more technical and also acknowledge the core developers > (if they agree). I see these going out to the tech editor of your local > newspaper, tech blogging sites, news agencies, maybe some companies too > along with the big tech news websites. If we all send these out in our own > regions we may get some coverage > > 2) This weekend I am going to make a questionnaire for the SHR core team > asking questions about the history of SHR (how it came to be, who were the > key people in the begining etc), who all are working on it currently and > what all are they contributing, what technologies and toolkits SHR uses and > supports, Why SHR should be used, What are the future plans and new targeted > platforms, What help do they need, What contributions the community can make > etc. I will post the questionnaire on these mailing lists and maybe the > SHR-devloper list too. Once the answers are there maybe some of you with > bolgs can edit and make an article for your blogs/ for sending to magazines > for publication. > > 3) If someone can make a small SHR user logo, the SHR users can put it on > their blogs/ websites. > > Please send feedback and more ideas. > > Rakshat > > PS - Also add your names for the various SHR Stable parties > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_Party_Page > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:53 PM, rakshat hooja wrote: > >> As promised I have put together a very basic framework of the SHR Stable >> release party planning page >> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_Party_Page >> >> Please go through it and add your information/ improve it/ send feedback. >> >> Currently it is only linked from the SHR page on the OM wiki >> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR#SHR.2FStable_release_party >> >> Please let me know the other places it should be linked from (main SHR >> wiki?) >> >> >> Rakshat >> >> -- >> -------------- >> Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and >> is also a very feature rich browser. >> www.firefox.com >> >> > > > -- > -------------- > Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and > is also a very feature rich browser. > www.firefox.com > > -- -------------- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100224/380ca995/attachment.htm From geraldablists at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 15:05:44 2010 From: geraldablists at gmail.com (Gerald A) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:05:44 -0500 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <201002240858.48936.psonek2@seznam.cz> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <1266915931511-4617760.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002240858.48936.psonek2@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <8e0ed1e01002240605k4bcfa1f6jac7f235e2afd4f81@mail.gmail.com> Heya, On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Radek Polak wrote: > On Tuesday 23 February 2010 10:05:31 Mike Crash wrote: > > > We can create a phone as a next step in the future, but not now. This is > a > > very bad idea. > > I cant agree. I have N770 which is great PDA. If Neo was just PDA i would > never bought it. > I agree 100%. I have a few different Palms, which were much cheaper then the Neo. It was the vision that inspired me, and I'm sure will inspire others. > Neo is very nice piece of hardware. But the hardware needs some fixes. I > think > gta-core project does exactly what is needed. If it had better case and > design > (or you could choose from alternative cases - e.g. white color for girls > and > women) and if it was cheap, it could be quite successful phone. > While I agree that aesthetics are a factor, at this point the community should focus on making something sustainable. If the stuff under the hood is good, we'll attract case mods, and they can put cool cases around our good hardware. I also think gta-core is on the right track. It just needs to keep moving forward, and we'll eventually be successful. Thanks, Gerald. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100224/06f6ee0d/attachment.htm From dscaini at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 15:08:25 2010 From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:08:25 +0100 Subject: Mcnavi maps and ipk In-Reply-To: <1266956740688-4621513.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <18db98c81002230620p3d6bdbf6m40eba574ecf8d272@mail.gmail.com> <1266956740688-4621513.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <18db98c81002240608i30d0287ch5b42d83d5cce5aa7@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Mike Crash wrote: > > I plan to write script which will generate the maps and upload it to > gps-routes.info for download. Also it would be nice to package the maps as > deb and make a regular updates via apt-get. I'm only waiting for fixing the > bugs in osm2mcmap - so please be patient, there is much to do. > Don't worry we are patient! We're still using the fr :P hehe I wanted just to give a hand to those who don't have 4GBs of ram+swap to generate the maps :) Feel free to count on my cpu (and ram) for map processing. d > > You can download only the boundaries data, which may be usefull now. If you > send me the IPK, i can add it to this site too. > > And - for download is new version with some bugs fixed and some new > functionality. > -- > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/Mcnavi-maps-and-ipk-tp4619065p4621513.html > Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100224/a6dfade7/attachment.htm From ifindleton at videotron.ca Wed Feb 24 16:14:39 2010 From: ifindleton at videotron.ca (Iain B. Findleton) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:14:39 -0500 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <8e0ed1e01002240605k4bcfa1f6jac7f235e2afd4f81@mail.gmail.com> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <1266915931511-4617760.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002240858.48936.psonek2@seznam.cz> <8e0ed1e01002240605k4bcfa1f6jac7f235e2afd4f81@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B85425F.4090607@videotron.ca> Does anybody out there know what the financial envelope for, say, a run of 100 Neos with the accumulated hardware improvements, g3, and double the memory would be? I am thinking a custom application here... I also suspect that a faster processor and support for higher capacity SD cards could be nice. Gerald A wrote: > Heya, > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Radek Polak > wrote: > > On Tuesday 23 February 2010 10:05:31 Mike Crash wrote: > > > We can create a phone as a next step in the future, but not now. > This is a > > very bad idea. > > I cant agree. I have N770 which is great PDA. If Neo was just PDA > i would > never bought it. > > > I agree 100%. I have a few different Palms, which were much cheaper then > the Neo. It was the vision that inspired me, and I'm sure will inspire > others. > > > Neo is very nice piece of hardware. But the hardware needs some > fixes. I think > gta-core project does exactly what is needed. If it had better > case and design > (or you could choose from alternative cases - e.g. white color for > girls and > women) and if it was cheap, it could be quite successful phone. > > > While I agree that aesthetics are a factor, at this point the > community should focus on > making something sustainable. If the stuff under the hood is good, > we'll attract case > mods, and they can put cool cases around our good hardware. > > I also think gta-core is on the right track. It just needs to keep > moving forward, and > we'll eventually be successful. > > Thanks, > Gerald. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > From geraldablists at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 17:06:05 2010 From: geraldablists at gmail.com (Gerald A) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:06:05 -0500 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <4B85425F.4090607@videotron.ca> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <1266915931511-4617760.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002240858.48936.psonek2@seznam.cz> <8e0ed1e01002240605k4bcfa1f6jac7f235e2afd4f81@mail.gmail.com> <4B85425F.4090607@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <8e0ed1e01002240806v23680f8v5acaa0ea38556c21@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Iain B. Findleton wrote: > Does anybody out there know what the financial envelope for, say, a run > of 100 Neos with the accumulated hardware improvements, g3, and double > the memory would be? I am thinking a custom application here... > I have no idea on financials, but the impression I got was small quantities were incredibly expensive, comparatively. It might be better to shoot for 1000 (or even 10,000), and open it to the community to see if anyone would want to do the work of sales to make it break even. In your laundry list, the 3G (I'm guessing that is what you meant by g3) is probably far and away the most expensive piece, as it involves patents and licences and so forth, if I recall the discussion correctly. If you can do without the 3G, the gta-core project may be able to accommodate you. Hope that helps, Gerald -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100224/c807e3e2/attachment.htm From marcus.bauer at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 17:21:57 2010 From: marcus.bauer at gmail.com (Marcus Bauer) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:21:57 +0100 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <4B85425F.4090607@videotron.ca> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <1266915931511-4617760.post@n2.nabble.com> <201002240858.48936.psonek2@seznam.cz> <8e0ed1e01002240605k4bcfa1f6jac7f235e2afd4f81@mail.gmail.com> <4B85425F.4090607@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20100224172157.6e33567a@acer> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:14:39 -0500 "Iain B. Findleton" wrote: > Does anybody out there know what the financial envelope for, say, a > run of 100 Neos with the accumulated hardware improvements, g3, and > double the memory would be? I am thinking a custom application here... if you do considerable changes to the hardware -and adding 3g is considerable- you need to recertify it (FCC, CE etc.). you should have roughly 1.000.000$ loose change in your pockets. unless your customer is rms, you might consider other options... marcus > > I also suspect that a faster processor and support for higher capacity > SD cards could be nice. > > Gerald A wrote: > > Heya, > > > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Radek Polak > > wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 23 February 2010 10:05:31 Mike Crash wrote: > > > > > We can create a phone as a next step in the future, but not > > > now. > > This is a > > > very bad idea. > > > > I cant agree. I have N770 which is great PDA. If Neo was just > > PDA i would > > never bought it. > > > > > > I agree 100%. I have a few different Palms, which were much cheaper > > then the Neo. It was the vision that inspired me, and I'm sure will > > inspire others. > > > > > > Neo is very nice piece of hardware. But the hardware needs some > > fixes. I think > > gta-core project does exactly what is needed. If it had better > > case and design > > (or you could choose from alternative cases - e.g. white color > > for girls and > > women) and if it was cheap, it could be quite successful phone. > > > > > > While I agree that aesthetics are a factor, at this point the > > community should focus on > > making something sustainable. If the stuff under the hood is good, > > we'll attract case > > mods, and they can put cool cases around our good hardware. > > > > I also think gta-core is on the right track. It just needs to keep > > moving forward, and > > we'll eventually be successful. > > > > Thanks, > > Gerald. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From support at oeko.net Wed Feb 24 17:50:33 2010 From: support at oeko.net (Toni Mueller) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:50:33 +0100 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <1266915931511-4617760.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <1266915931511-4617760.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20100224165034.15950.qmail@oak.oeko.net> Hi, On Tue, 23.02.2010 at 01:05:31 -0800, Mike Crash wrote: > Actually, I don't know, why everybody needs a phone. I can answer that: I want a fully open phone that I can configure to meet *my* needs. If I am allowed to dream a bit, despite my OM not being in good working order yet, I'd like a phone that has no known bugs for whatever "service" you might think of, which sports high-grade encryption as a standard feature (ie, zphone), and can seamlessly be used as a device on a PBX, too (possibly with semi-automatic handover when entering/leaving an an appropriate wifi zone). > The community should aim at simple PDA with GPS, WiFi, BT and camera. + IR > This all is without any license fees and can be made to work. That would also be good, but generally, I'd prefer to have only one device to carry around. That's why I often don't have my camera with me - it's too bulky already. Also, this device needs some way to hook up to the Internet, so I can surf and read emails, and ssh into one of my machines. And there you have it again, the airwave part that would not be part of your PDA design. > but what I need always - is a phone. I want to call when I'm in a car, in a > bus stop, in a restaurant, in a wood and I don't want to break my > navigation, mailing, browsing every time I get a phone. I don't want to do that, either, but poking at one of "accept/reject" should not cause much interruption. For the rest of the problem, you have headphones or an external mike + speaker combo. > with OLED display (LCD is out). Camera would be nice, but not needed. Forget I'd very much appreciate a camera, too. > the phone, it will be always problem for open source. Then that's required to change, imho. I'm just not prepared to accept this kind of limitation. > There is not big problem in designing such a device. And also, it will have > longer life then a phone. Why? GSM and UMTS technology change ever 10 years or so, but this PDA stuff changes all the time. > it? It needs to manufacture thousands of units - so thousands of buyers. > Will be? Not while my GTA2 is generally ok. After that, maybe (ie, for probably 500 Euros at most, _system_ price). > We can create a phone as a next step in the future, but not now. This is a > very bad idea. I can't judge that, but have my set of requirements that I have outlined above. Whichever device will meet them in a useful fashion, will probably end up in my pocket, although only one piece. Kind regards, --Toni++ From support at oeko.net Wed Feb 24 17:55:15 2010 From: support at oeko.net (Toni Mueller) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:55:15 +0100 Subject: OM future In-Reply-To: <1266990348884-4623910.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1265486258.5770.9.camel@localhost> <1266915931511-4617760.post@n2.nabble.com> <4B841813.7090204@videotron.ca> <1266950482376-4620887.post@n2.nabble.com> <4B844A15.3080904@videotron.ca> <1266990348884-4623910.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20100224165515.16213.qmail@oak.oeko.net> Hi, On Tue, 23.02.2010 at 21:45:48 -0800, Mike Crash wrote: > other devices and how many software there is for. There is a lot of software > for Neo ported from desktop, but on Neo unusable. I *bet* that this is a side-effect of the Neo's initial (hw & sw) problems, compounded with the ensuing non-takeoff as a bestseller phone. If there were lots of units in the field and people knew its name, that would be a non-issue. Kind regards, --Toni++ From shulyaka at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 18:44:25 2010 From: shulyaka at gmail.com (Denis Shulyaka) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:44:25 +0300 Subject: [SHR-U] WiFi-related memory leak In-Reply-To: <84iq9rhqus.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <8f5e497b1002181603l2cb4bdc7pfee203eeae730365@mail.gmail.com> <84k4u9k5uc.fsf@sauna.l.org> <8f5e497b1002190417vdae6d3j112b20374f647f32@mail.gmail.com> <8f5e497b1002201431k6f4dd7ffo9a703c8968b280c2@mail.gmail.com> <84iq9rhqus.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <8f5e497b1002240944h635c8f16l7b062bb0a47f67f9@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/21 Timo Juhani Lindfors : > Can you try the same test again without swap? Here it is. Without swap and midori this time: ftp://shulyaka.org.ru/pub/memlog2.tar.bz2 The phone survived for 2 hours this time. I guess it could live a little longer without transmission-daemon. Xorg was killed at about 19:25. I'm not sure about what happened with the script but id didn't take logs for 25 minutes between 18:58 and 19:22. It's the time when transmission-daemon was killed. The most interesting line in slabtop was: OBJS ACTIVE USE OBJ SIZE SLABS OBJ/SLAB CACHE SIZE NAME 12278 12278 100% 4.00K 12278 1 49112K size-4096 It was counting all the time the test was run. Don't know what it means though. From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Wed Feb 24 20:20:06 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:20:06 +0200 Subject: [SHR-U] WiFi-related memory leak In-Reply-To: <8f5e497b1002240944h635c8f16l7b062bb0a47f67f9@mail.gmail.com> (Denis Shulyaka's message of "Wed\, 24 Feb 2010 20\:44\:25 +0300") References: <8f5e497b1002181603l2cb4bdc7pfee203eeae730365@mail.gmail.com> <84k4u9k5uc.fsf@sauna.l.org> <8f5e497b1002190417vdae6d3j112b20374f647f32@mail.gmail.com> <8f5e497b1002201431k6f4dd7ffo9a703c8968b280c2@mail.gmail.com> <84iq9rhqus.fsf@sauna.l.org> <8f5e497b1002240944h635c8f16l7b062bb0a47f67f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <847hq24f15.fsf@sauna.l.org> Denis Shulyaka writes: > Here it is. Without swap and midori this time: > ftp://shulyaka.org.ru/pub/memlog2.tar.bz2 Hmm. The memory usage of frameworkd actually decreased during the test: $ grep frameworkd ps* ps.17:57:32:root 1219 46.6 16.4 32368 19876 ? Ss 17:31 12:15 python /usr/bin/frameworkd ps.18:02:34:root 1219 39.1 16.4 32368 19876 ? Ss 17:31 12:16 python /usr/bin/frameworkd ps.18:07:36:root 1219 34.0 16.2 32368 19628 ? Ss 17:31 12:21 python /usr/bin/frameworkd ps.18:12:38:root 1219 29.9 16.1 32368 19500 ? Ss 17:31 12:22 python /usr/bin/frameworkd ps.18:17:40:root 1219 26.6 15.5 32368 18780 ? Ss 17:31 12:22 python /usr/bin/frameworkd ps.18:22:42:root 1219 24.0 15.4 32368 18676 ? Ss 17:31 12:23 python /usr/bin/frameworkd ps.18:27:44:root 1219 21.9 14.8 32368 17964 ? Ss 17:31 12:23 python /usr/bin/frameworkd ps.18:32:46:root 1219 20.1 14.5 32368 17592 ? Ss 17:31 12:23 python /usr/bin/frameworkd ps.18:37:50:root 1219 18.6 14.3 32368 17376 ? Ss 17:31 12:23 python /usr/bin/frameworkd ps.18:42:54:root 1219 17.2 14.0 32368 17044 ? Ss 17:31 12:23 python /usr/bin/frameworkd ps.18:48:00:root 1219 16.1 13.7 32368 16668 ? Ss 17:31 12:23 python /usr/bin/frameworkd ps.18:53:06:root 1219 15.1 13.5 32368 16384 ? Ds 17:31 12:24 python /usr/bin/frameworkd ps.18:58:33:root 1219 14.1 13.0 32368 15812 ? Ss 17:31 12:25 python /usr/bin/frameworkd ps.19:22:18:root 1219 13.5 13.5 32368 16356 ? Rs 17:31 15:02 python /usr/bin/frameworkd ps.19:27:22:root 1219 17.2 13.5 32368 16356 ? Rs 17:31 20:00 python /usr/bin/frameworkd ps.19:32:24:root 1219 20.6 13.5 32368 16356 ? Rs 17:31 24:58 python /usr/bin/frameworkd ps.19:37:26:root 1219 23.6 13.5 32368 16356 ? Rs 17:31 29:52 python /usr/bin/frameworkd ps.19:42:30:root 1219 26.5 13.5 32368 16356 ? Rs 17:31 34:51 python /usr/bin/frameworkd ps.19:47:47:root 1219 29.2 13.5 32368 16356 ? Rs 17:31 39:53 python /usr/bin/frameworkd ps.19:53:12:root 1219 31.0 13.5 32368 16356 ? Rs 17:31 44:01 python /usr/bin/frameworkd How can this happen? ;) Same for Xorg too: $ grep "_ /usr/bin/Xorg" ps* ps.17:57:32:root 1203 3.9 5.4 10780 6592 tty1 S The most interesting line in slabtop was: > OBJS ACTIVE USE OBJ SIZE SLABS OBJ/SLAB CACHE SIZE NAME > 12278 12278 100% 4.00K 12278 1 49112K size-4096 > > It was counting all the time the test was run. Don't know what it means though. I have never used slabtop before. Here when wifi is connected it displays Active / Total Objects (% used) : 22154 / 38108 (58.1%) Active / Total Slabs (% used) : 1356 / 1356 (100.0%) Active / Total Caches (% used) : 68 / 117 (58.1%) Active / Total Size (% used) : 3416.10K / 5276.42K (64.7%) Minimum / Average / Maximum Object : 0.01K / 0.14K / 4096.00K OBJS ACTIVE USE OBJ SIZE SLABS OBJ/SLAB CACHE SIZE NAME 8496 1743 20% 0.05K 118 72 472K buffer_head 5520 1830 33% 0.12K 184 30 736K dentry 3864 3824 98% 0.04K 46 84 184K sysfs_dir_cache 3390 3337 98% 0.03K 30 113 120K size-32 2944 2570 87% 0.08K 64 46 256K vm_area_struct 2484 976 39% 0.41K 276 9 1104K ext3_inode_cache 1547 1136 73% 0.28K 119 13 476K radix_tree_node 1356 815 60% 0.01K 4 339 16K anon_vma 1298 1117 86% 0.06K 22 59 88K size-64 1140 900 78% 0.12K 38 30 152K filp 480 457 95% 0.09K 12 40 48K size-96 430 425 98% 0.38K 43 10 172K shmem_inode_cache 384 274 71% 0.31K 32 12 128K proc_inode_cache 360 240 66% 0.09K 9 40 36K cred_jar 330 310 93% 0.12K 11 30 44K size-128 320 282 88% 0.50K 40 8 160K size-512 254 2 0% 0.01K 1 254 4K revoke_table 234 209 89% 0.14K 9 26 36K idr_layer_cache 203 1 0% 0.02K 1 203 4K ip_fib_alias 203 5 2% 0.02K 1 203 4K tcp_bind_bucket 203 2 0% 0.02K 1 203 4K fasync_cache 180 177 98% 0.25K 12 15 48K size-256 169 141 83% 0.29K 13 13 52K inode_cache 140 80 57% 0.19K 7 20 28K skbuff_head_cache 120 116 96% 0.09K 3 40 12K kmem_cache 120 98 81% 1.00K 30 4 120K size-1024 118 118 100% 0.06K 2 59 8K pid 113 95 84% 0.03K 1 113 4K fs_cache 113 2 1% 0.03K 1 113 4K dma_desc 113 5 4% 0.03K 1 113 4K fib6_nodes 101 13 12% 0.04K 1 101 4K ip_fib_hash 100 93 93% 0.19K 5 20 20K size-192 92 25 27% 0.04K 1 92 4K inotify_watch_cache 88 80 90% 0.34K 8 11 32K sock_inode_cache 84 74 88% 2.84K 42 2 336K task_struct 84 3 3% 0.04K 1 84 4K blkdev_ioc 81 81 100% 0.44K 9 9 36K signal_cache 78 78 100% 1.28K 26 3 104K sighand_cache 76 76 100% 2.00K 38 2 152K size-2048 70 70 100% 0.38K 7 10 28K mm_struct 63 4 6% 0.06K 1 63 4K journal_head 60 60 100% 0.19K 3 20 12K files_cache 60 52 86% 0.38K 6 10 24K UNIX 59 1 1% 0.06K 1 59 4K inet_peer_cache 59 2 3% 0.06K 1 59 4K uid_cache 38 38 100% 4.00K 38 1 152K size-4096 30 24 80% 0.12K 1 30 4K mnt_cache 30 2 6% 0.12K 1 30 4K bio-0 30 4 13% 0.12K 1 30 4K arp_cache 27 2 7% 0.14K 1 27 4K sigqueue 24 4 16% 0.16K 1 24 4K ndisc_cache 18 8 44% 0.21K 1 18 4K blkdev_requests 18 18 100% 1.20K 6 3 24K blkdev_queue 15 8 53% 0.25K 1 15 4K ip_dst_cache 15 7 46% 0.25K 1 15 4K ip6_dst_cache 14 6 42% 1.06K 2 7 16K TCP 10 5 50% 0.38K 1 10 4K skbuff_fclone_cache 9 4 44% 0.41K 1 9 4K bdev_cache 9 1 11% 0.41K 1 9 4K ext2_inode_cache 8 1 12% 0.47K 1 8 4K UDP 8 2 25% 0.47K 1 8 4K RAW 6 4 66% 0.62K 1 6 4K RAWv6 5 5 100% 4.00K 5 1 20K names_cache 3 3 100% 8.00K 3 1 24K size-8192 3 3 100% 16.00K 3 1 48K size-16384 3 2 66% 1.19K 1 3 4K TCPv6 2 2 100% 32.00K 2 1 64K size-32768 2 2 100% 3.00K 1 2 8K biovec-256 0 0 0% 64.00K 0 1 0K size-65536 0 0 0% 128.00K 0 1 0K size-131072 From rizurita at yahoo.com Wed Feb 24 20:57:39 2010 From: rizurita at yahoo.com (Rafael Ignacio Zurita) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:57:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) Message-ID: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi, I think that gta02-core is the key (or part of). All of us have been talking about the problems with openmoko hardware for years. And because all of us have different ideas and feelings we use this list as our psychologist :-) But still if there are a lot of different ideas and feelings I always read the same conclusions : - Openmoko hardware has problems - There is no other open linux mobile phone like we want (open on both, software and hardware sides : without signed bootloader images/etc) Also, because we write those feelings all the time, we can read the answers from old Openmoko devels who also have differente ideas. But, most of them have, as well, the same conclusions : (1) Openmoko failed internally (2) The Openmoko development process was not good When we look for alternatives these are always the same, from big companies, and with the same features: propietary components and perhaps monopolistic. So I guess no, there is no open linux mobile phone like most of us want. Then, you can find possible (future) alternatives. If you read Raster words he says that just a big guy (company) can do a sucessful linux product, because it needs money and lots of people. Perhaps that would be just a small step toward an complete open Linux mobile phone. If lot of little steps are made, some day we may get what we want. But, I also feel that gta02-core is another key to fix some of the conclusions that ex openmoko developers did, because gta02-core tries to fix the process. I read from time to time the gta02-core mailing list, and irc chat log. Some people think that that project goes slow and because gta02-core won't produce the next gta03 mobile phone, then it is useless and a waste of time. But no, if you read well, then you will realize that it is a community development process, and if this project succeeds then the development of a new cool open linux mobile phone may follow similar lines of the gta02-core process documents. That would fix the (2), and then you just need a big guy, like Raster says, without internal problems like there were at (1). With (1) and (2) solved, we would have our cool linux device wanted, and without bad feelings to go to the psychologist ;-) Now, I have not tried to help a lot to gta02-core, and I don't know why there are just few people doing all the hard work. In few months gta02-core has created and reviewed the component diagrams, created and reviewed the schematics (using just open source software), found a smt line (from an university) to do the prototipes, written a footprint editor. I guess that they need the components kit that Sean/Openmoko inc promised, and help of much people from community to continue (check the tasks list to do). The important thing is that the gta02-core project output will be the development process docs and the organisation for that. Proper processes and organisation, plus software (linux+fso+shr(distros)) will give us a great opportunity to find some company without internal problems and say them : "Hey, we know how to development an open linux mobile phone like it should be, so please, start a new project for that kind of hardware and we will point you how to do it" ;) Now, I need to check how to really help more and stop to look for a replacement (which does not exist). fso, shr, gta02-core, other distros : thanks!, and keep the great job you do. -- Rafael Ignacio Zurita From pini at debian.org Thu Feb 25 00:28:49 2010 From: pini at debian.org (Gilles Filippini) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:28:49 +0100 Subject: RTC failure in January In-Reply-To: <20100223181857.GA4473@earth.universe> References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78621001141441g659154f6lcd475535ed46ddf4@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78621001181321i7aaf9609yb76f38eccf5698c0@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78621001241004o476fc3e5wbeb1b61b49a653a@mail.gmail.com> <20100223181857.GA4473@earth.universe> Message-ID: <4B85B631.3050001@debian.org> Hi, Sebastian Reichel a ?crit , Le 23/02/2010 19:18: > what happened with this patch? My FR ran out of power, which > resulted in a reset RTC. Now I can't set it back to current time, > because of hwclock's read. You can set it back this way: # hwclock --systohc -D --noadjfile --utc _g. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 490 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100225/952fe1c1/attachment.pgp From shulyaka at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 00:53:36 2010 From: shulyaka at gmail.com (Denis Shulyaka) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 02:53:36 +0300 Subject: [SHR-U] WiFi-related memory leak In-Reply-To: <847hq24f15.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <8f5e497b1002181603l2cb4bdc7pfee203eeae730365@mail.gmail.com> <84k4u9k5uc.fsf@sauna.l.org> <8f5e497b1002190417vdae6d3j112b20374f647f32@mail.gmail.com> <8f5e497b1002201431k6f4dd7ffo9a703c8968b280c2@mail.gmail.com> <84iq9rhqus.fsf@sauna.l.org> <8f5e497b1002240944h635c8f16l7b062bb0a47f67f9@mail.gmail.com> <847hq24f15.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: <8f5e497b1002241553r5249d1f9l5481501da52595ee@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/24 Timo Juhani Lindfors : > Hmm. The memory usage of frameworkd actually decreased during the test: > How can this happen? ;) > Same for Xorg too: > and hal: I have no idea why it decreased. I guess kernel unloads some parts of executable that are not executed ATM. > (Why is it running as sshd user btw?!) I don't know, isn't it default in SHR? > I have never used slabtop before. Here when wifi is connected it > displays > ? ?38 ? ? 38 100% ? ?4.00K ? ? 38 ? ? ? ?1 ? ? ? 152K size-4096 So it's just 152K. In my case it's 40-50K and counting. BTW, what kind of WiFi authentication and encryption do you use? I use WPA and TKIP, may be I should try something else? From raster at rasterman.com Thu Feb 25 02:39:25 2010 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:39:25 +1100 Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) In-Reply-To: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:57:39 -0800 (PST) Rafael Ignacio Zurita said: > Hi, I think that gta02-core is the key (or part of). > > All of us have been talking about the problems with openmoko hardware > for years. And because all of us have different ideas and feelings > we use this list as our psychologist :-) > > But still if there are a lot of different ideas and feelings > I always read the same conclusions : > > - Openmoko hardware has problems > - There is no other open linux mobile phone like we want > (open on both, software and hardware sides : without signed > bootloader images/etc) > > Also, because we write those feelings all the time, we can read > the answers from old Openmoko devels who also have differente ideas. > But, most of them have, as well, the same conclusions : > > (1) Openmoko failed internally > (2) The Openmoko development process was not good > > When we look for alternatives these are always the same, > from big companies, and with the same features: > propietary components and perhaps monopolistic. So I guess no, > there is no open linux mobile phone like most of us want. > > Then, you can find possible (future) alternatives. If you read Raster words > he says that just a big guy (company) can do a sucessful linux product, > because it needs money and lots of people. Perhaps that would > be just a small step toward an complete open Linux mobile phone. > If lot of little steps are made, some day we may get what we want. > > But, I also feel that gta02-core is another key to fix some > of the conclusions that ex openmoko developers did, because > gta02-core tries to fix the process. > > I read from time to time the gta02-core mailing list, and irc chat log. > Some people think that that project goes slow and because gta02-core > won't produce the next gta03 mobile phone, then > it is useless and a waste of time. > > But no, if you read well, then you will realize that it is a > community development process, and if this project succeeds then > the development of a new cool open linux mobile phone may > follow similar lines of the gta02-core process documents. > > That would fix the (2), and then you just need a big guy, > like Raster says, without internal problems like there > were at (1). > > With (1) and (2) solved, we would have our cool linux device > wanted, and without bad feelings to go to the psychologist ;-) > > Now, I have not tried to help a lot to gta02-core, and I don't > know why there are just few people doing all the hard work. > > In few months gta02-core has created and reviewed the component diagrams, > created and reviewed the schematics (using just open source software), > found a smt line (from an university) to do the prototipes, written > a footprint editor. > > I guess that they need the components kit that Sean/Openmoko inc > promised, and help of much people from community to continue > (check the tasks list to do). > > The important thing is that the gta02-core project output will be > the development process docs and the organisation for that. > Proper processes and organisation, plus software (linux+fso+shr(distros)) > will give us a great opportunity to find some > company without internal problems and say them : > > "Hey, we know how to development an open linux mobile phone > like it should be, so please, start a new project for > that kind of hardware and we will point you how to do it" ;) > > Now, I need to check how to really help more and stop to > look for a replacement (which does not exist). > > fso, shr, gta02-core, other distros : thanks!, and keep the great > job you do. openmoko managed to produce something at all... because someone (sean) was lucky enough to find a pot of gold without strings attached making stuff closed. such a pot of gold is amazingly rare - and if found is of limited size. unless that pot of gold is used very smartly to bootstrap a self-funding profitable venture it's all doomed to failure. gta02-core is waiting for that pot of gold. as such it may wait years for it to appear - if it ever does. you can design yourself silly - without the money to buy components in quantities that make them sufficiently cheap and the ability to fund the certifications, production and all the initial costs before even 1 thing rolls off the line that can be put in a box and shipped to someone... you're goign to just wait.. and wait... and wait - and in the end your gta02-core design will not be possible as components you used go out of circulation and your design is the equivalent of using an 8 bit microcontroller in todays phones - ie the world moved on and your wonderfully open design is useless as the world moved on to LTE, 8-core multi-ghz soc's with multiple gpu cores, and god knows what else and THAT is now considered a phone - your old design is like saying "hey - i have an open 20mhz 386 here with a hercules video card, 2mb ram and 75 baud modem! isn't that awesome - it's OPEN!"... but you say that in a world of 3ghz quad-core processors with multiple gb of ram, high end gpu's runing multiple screens with smooth 3d although res... and 802.111n. every month that gta02-core sits as a design and doesnt go into production is another step in the above direction. sure. you may argue that "i dont need multiple screens". and "i dont need more than 640k of ram" or "i dont need more than 75baud" etc... but you know how silly that sounds if you said it now. 99.999% of the world can't live on that for their COMPUTER needs. so - you now have to keep finding new soc's to design for and new modem modules and keep re-designing gta02-core every few months to keep up with the world - but you're doing this all "in theory" without any production. and production takes money. who's going to pay for it? there are no small steps here. there's a big costly step of getting the thing produced at all. it costs millions of $ just to get there. who here has that in their pocket and is willing to risk it all in making some gta02-core's in the name of openness? thats your problem - thats what you need to address. if you dont have your pot of gold - you're spinning forever going nowhere becoming obsolete. the openmoko pot of gold is gone. you're not getting that back. the way i see it is - make your compromises and work with those who have the big pots of gold and bring them over to your side one bit at a time. you''d be surprised how much elements already are on your side - there are just others fighting to keep things where they are. there are some things you will never get open - i doubt u'll ever see a schematic or case cad design - ever. thats an "almost impossible" battle. the easier battle that CAN be won on most fronts is in the software side - kernel, drivers, userspace, open standards, infra, core, toolkits, etc. and the big boys with the big pots of money are surprisingly close there. rome wasn't built in one day. fight the battles you can win - dont fight the impossible ones. sure - it's not as glorious. it's not as sexy. but it gets you one small step closer to where you'd like to be. you may never get it. that's the nature of compromises. but you can get some of it at least. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From rozzin at geekspace.com Thu Feb 25 03:10:23 2010 From: rozzin at geekspace.com (Joshua Judson Rosen) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:10:23 -0500 Subject: Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner References: <2e51a0351002221352s7796be9fq5ae84bcafd5490ce@mail.gmail.com> <20100223183905.a2f9174d.openmoko@netapps.com.au> <85aed13c1002230023x2100b039s18e496726d6c967c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87bpfedq0g.fsf@slice.rozzin.com> Jakob writes: > > It's not hard to run your browser on the neo as user. Though it should > be made default. > e.g. in SHR one could ask the user at first startup to create a user > and then run the browser, piding and all those internet applications > with the rights of this user. Or just default to running as `operator'. -- "Don't be afraid to ask (?f.((?x.xx) (?r.f(rr))))." From timo.lindfors at iki.fi Thu Feb 25 07:49:41 2010 From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:49:41 +0200 Subject: [SHR-U] WiFi-related memory leak In-Reply-To: <8f5e497b1002241553r5249d1f9l5481501da52595ee@mail.gmail.com> (Denis Shulyaka's message of "Thu\, 25 Feb 2010 02\:53\:36 +0300") References: <8f5e497b1002181603l2cb4bdc7pfee203eeae730365@mail.gmail.com> <84k4u9k5uc.fsf@sauna.l.org> <8f5e497b1002190417vdae6d3j112b20374f647f32@mail.gmail.com> <8f5e497b1002201431k6f4dd7ffo9a703c8968b280c2@mail.gmail.com> <84iq9rhqus.fsf@sauna.l.org> <8f5e497b1002240944h635c8f16l7b062bb0a47f67f9@mail.gmail.com> <847hq24f15.fsf@sauna.l.org> <8f5e497b1002241553r5249d1f9l5481501da52595ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84wry13j3u.fsf@sauna.l.org> Denis Shulyaka writes: > I have no idea why it decreased. I guess kernel unloads some parts of > executable that are not executed ATM. Ah that is true, read-only mappings do not need to be kept in memory. > BTW, what kind of WiFi authentication and encryption do you use? I use > WPA and TKIP, may be I should try something else? No encryption in this case. From rms at 1407.org Thu Feb 25 09:41:42 2010 From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:41:42 +0000 Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) In-Reply-To: <20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com> References: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <4B8637C6.60608@1407.org> Em 25-02-2010 01:39, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) escreveu: > boys with the big pots of money are surprisingly close there. rome wasn't built > in one day. fight the battles you can win - dont fight the impossible ones. > sure - it's not as glorious. it's not as sexy. but it gets you one small step > closer to where you'd like to be. you may never get it. that's the nature of > compromises. but you can get some of it at least. Oh come on, don't beat them with a stick, if you don't have people working on this now, then when the time comes there will be pretty much nothing to show and all the time of development will have to start *then* instead of now :) The beauty of these communities thing is that one resource spent in developping gta02-core is not one resource not spent in SHR because (and I might be wrong here because I'm not into gta02-core) most likely gta02-core people don't feel as excited writing software for a smartphone environment (PIM, call support, other apps, etc...). As such, gta02-core people are not diminishing SHR people, but complementing. Hugs, Rui From vanous at penguin.cz Thu Feb 25 09:50:55 2010 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:50:55 +0100 Subject: MC Navi released References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20100225095055.675ce312@vanek.robe.cz> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:47:55 -0800 (PST) Mike Crash (MC) wrote: >After preview about month ago here is finally first public version of >MC Navi. Keep in mind it is still in hard development and this day I >found some bugs, which are not yet fixed in this release (I didn't >want to stop the release, because it is never-ending story). Sounds cools, thank you! But Mike, kde je ceska mapa? :)) Cheers -- Petr From raster at rasterman.com Thu Feb 25 09:56:33 2010 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:56:33 +1100 Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) In-Reply-To: <4B8637C6.60608@1407.org> References: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com> <4B8637C6.60608@1407.org> Message-ID: <20100225195633.d5b05681.raster@rasterman.com> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:41:42 +0000 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra said: > Em 25-02-2010 01:39, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) escreveu: > > boys with the big pots of money are surprisingly close there. rome wasn't > > built in one day. fight the battles you can win - dont fight the impossible > > ones. sure - it's not as glorious. it's not as sexy. but it gets you one > > small step closer to where you'd like to be. you may never get it. that's > > the nature of compromises. but you can get some of it at least. > > Oh come on, don't beat them with a stick, if you don't have people > working on this now, then when the time comes there will be pretty much > nothing to show and all the time of development will have to start > *then* instead of now :) > > The beauty of these communities thing is that one resource spent in > developping gta02-core is not one resource not spent in SHR because (and > I might be wrong here because I'm not into gta02-core) most likely > gta02-core people don't feel as excited writing software for a > smartphone environment (PIM, call support, other apps, etc...). > > As such, gta02-core people are not diminishing SHR people, but > complementing. ask werner. he's waiting for the pot of gold to make gta02-core go from files and plans to product. waiting and waiting for it... and he's right - he needs the pot of gold. and while he waits - the design ages, components become rarer ads they age... unlike software - which has pretty much 0 cost of entry, modification and distribution other than time and effort - hardware doesn't. thats a fundamental difference. anyone - if they have source, can modify, improve or whatever some code with the only real cost being time, production, distribution is basically free (via compiling+tarring up+download/internet). hardware is not. every "Download" is a hefty cost - and that cost is also entirely based on how much "stock" you prepare for "download" first (100, 1000, 10,000, 100,000, 1,000,000 etc.) and for the lower numbers sometimes production just wont happen as no one is willing to produce so few. minimum production numbers etc. you could do a fully open phone 1 at a time. it'd cost $1mil+ per phone. got the pot of gold to make your own $1mil+ phone? :) -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From vanous at penguin.cz Thu Feb 25 10:06:39 2010 From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:06:39 +0100 Subject: MC Navi released References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100225095055.675ce312@vanek.robe.cz> Message-ID: <20100225100639.0ff7fd86@vanek.robe.cz> >>After preview about month ago here is finally first public version of >>MC Navi. Keep in mind it is still in hard development and this day I >>found some bugs, which are not yet fixed in this release (I didn't >>want to stop the release, because it is never-ending story). > >Sounds cools, thank you! >But Mike, kde je ceska mapa? :)) found it: http://www.gps-routes.info/index.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=3 Petr From mike at mikecrash.com Thu Feb 25 10:10:36 2010 From: mike at mikecrash.com (Mike Crash) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:10:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: MC Navi released In-Reply-To: <20100225095055.675ce312@vanek.robe.cz> References: <1265914075291-4556580.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100225095055.675ce312@vanek.robe.cz> Message-ID: <4B863E77.2090605@mikecrash.com> Zkus to zde: http://www.gps-routes.info/index.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=3 I have improved convertor and fixed a lot of bugs, so soon will be new version and also more maps for download. On 25.2.2010 9:52, Petr Vanek [via Openmoko Public Mailinglists] wrote: > On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:47:55 -0800 (PST) > Mike Crash <[hidden email] > > > (MC) wrote: > >>After preview about month ago here is finally first public version of >>MC Navi. Keep in mind it is still in hard development and this day I >>found some bugs, which are not yet fixed in this release (I didn't >>want to stop the release, because it is never-ending story). > > Sounds cools, thank you! > But Mike, kde je ceska mapa? :)) > > Cheers > > -- > Petr > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > [hidden email] > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > View message @ http://n2.nabble.com/MC-Navi-released-tp4556580p4631280.html > To unsubscribe from MC Navi released, click here > < (link removed) ==>. > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/MC-Navi-released-tp4556580p4631368.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rixed at happyleptic.org Thu Feb 25 11:07:54 2010 From: rixed at happyleptic.org (rixed at happyleptic.org) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:07:54 +0100 Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) In-Reply-To: <20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com> References: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <20100225100754.GB12722@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> Community can be another "pot of gold". You can preorder the phones, raise funds, etc (see blender, or wikipedia...). That's how the small team behind the openpandora was successful. Yes, the openpandora is not a phone and thus needs less paperwork, administrative authorization and license fees, but on the other hand they build a gadget that was top-notch technology at the time of design (and still far from being outperformed by competition). From raster at rasterman.com Thu Feb 25 11:20:56 2010 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:20:56 +1100 Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) In-Reply-To: <20100225100754.GB12722@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> References: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225100754.GB12722@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> Message-ID: <20100225212056.d60e992b.raster@rasterman.com> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:07:54 +0100 rixed at happyleptic.org said: > Community can be another "pot of gold". You can preorder the phones, > raise funds, etc (see blender, or wikipedia...). > > That's how the small team behind the openpandora was successful. > Yes, the openpandora is not a phone and thus needs less paperwork, > administrative authorization and license fees, but on the other hand > they build a gadget that was top-notch technology at the time of > design (and still far from being outperformed by competition). successful? when they took your money 1.5 years ago promised to ship 1.25 years ago.. and still have not? sitting on your money? aweeeeeeeeeeeeeesome. trust me - it's already outperformed by things like the nexus-1 or a slew of other htc stuff - the new snapdragon based soc's and more. by double or more. and it still has yet to ship a single unit. these others have been shipping for ages (1ghz shnapragon windows mobile toshiba phone been going for a while now). openpandora is a wonderful example of a big fat FAIL on this. it's last time my money goes to any such group/venture. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From ghislain at basetrend.nl Thu Feb 25 11:36:22 2010 From: ghislain at basetrend.nl (ghislain) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 02:36:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) In-Reply-To: <20100225212056.d60e992b.raster@rasterman.com> References: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225100754.GB12722@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100225212056.d60e992b.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <1267094182596-4631684.post@n2.nabble.com> What about the Ben NanoNote (http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page). They showed how the process is done, from the beginning to the end (I don't know about the funding). Although it's not a phone, I do have a working ultra-portable now for a reasonable price :) (It just needs some software-ports, but that is part of the fun). Ghislain http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/gta02-core-was-Re-OM-future-tp4628177p4631684.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rixed at happyleptic.org Thu Feb 25 11:50:36 2010 From: rixed at happyleptic.org (rixed at happyleptic.org) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:50:36 +0100 Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) In-Reply-To: <20100225212056.d60e992b.raster@rasterman.com> References: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225100754.GB12722@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100225212056.d60e992b.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <20100225105036.GC12722@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> -[ Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 09:20:56PM +1100, Carsten Haitzler ]---- > openpandora is a wonderful example of a big fat FAIL on this. it's last time my > money goes to any such group/venture. The fact is they proved community does not need to be backed up by an industrial pot of gold to build this kind of hardware. Your personal feelings about the overall outcome is not on topic but as far as I can tell from the gp32x forums many people do not consider the project as a failure. From raster at rasterman.com Thu Feb 25 11:57:51 2010 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:57:51 +1100 Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) In-Reply-To: <20100225105036.GC12722@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> References: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225100754.GB12722@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100225212056.d60e992b.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225105036.GC12722@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> Message-ID: <20100225215751.2ed232e8.raster@rasterman.com> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:50:36 +0100 rixed at happyleptic.org said: > -[ Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 09:20:56PM +1100, Carsten Haitzler ]---- > > openpandora is a wonderful example of a big fat FAIL on this. it's last > > time my money goes to any such group/venture. > > The fact is they proved community does not need to be backed up by > an industrial pot of gold to build this kind of hardware. > > Your personal feelings about the overall outcome is not on topic but > as far as I can tell from the gp32x forums many people do not consider the > project as a failure. they created a pot of gold by lieing to people and getting them to part with their money. they said it would be shipped by a date (2 or 3 months after you paid). it still has not shipped. i dont call that a success. i dont care how much it might be "but that was unexpected delays". a few weeks ok - a few months. ok. almost 1.5 years of delay and still not shipped - after asking for money and giving a shipping date almost 1.5 years ago - fail. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From raster at rasterman.com Thu Feb 25 12:00:43 2010 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:00:43 +1100 Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) In-Reply-To: <1267094182596-4631684.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225100754.GB12722@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100225212056.d60e992b.raster@rasterman.com> <1267094182596-4631684.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20100225220043.be56f074.raster@rasterman.com> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 02:36:22 -0800 (PST) ghislain said: > > What about the Ben NanoNote (http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page). > They showed how the process is done, from the beginning to the end (I don't > know about the funding). i dont need yet another mini pda. i have a small army of them - that dont replace the phone junk in my pocket. i - and i would say the vast majority of people, dont want multiple things in their pockets - why do u think pda's are dead? they want 1, and the phone trumped all of it for communications reasons. if you dont have a phone you instantly made your potential market a lot smaller. if it doesnt fit in a pocket easily - you just shrunk your market significantly. the more you move your product into a market niche, the more likely it is to fail due to just not making enough volume. open products is already a niche. > Although it's not a phone, I do have a working ultra-portable now for a > reasonable price :) (It just needs some software-ports, but that is part of > the fun). > > Ghislain > http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl > -- > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/gta02-core-was-Re-OM-future-tp4628177p4631684.html Sent > from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From ghislain at basetrend.nl Thu Feb 25 12:10:21 2010 From: ghislain at basetrend.nl (ghislain) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 03:10:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) In-Reply-To: <20100225220043.be56f074.raster@rasterman.com> References: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225100754.GB12722@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100225212056.d60e992b.raster@rasterman.com> <1267094182596-4631684.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100225220043.be56f074.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <1267096221346-4631828.post@n2.nabble.com> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)-2 wrote: > > On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 02:36:22 -0800 (PST) ghislain > said: > >> >> What about the Ben NanoNote (http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page). >> They showed how the process is done, from the beginning to the end (I >> don't >> know about the funding). > > i dont need yet another mini pda. i have a small army of them - that dont > replace the phone junk in my pocket. i - and i would say the vast majority > of > people, dont want multiple things in their pockets - why do u think pda's > are > dead? they want 1, and the phone trumped all of it for communications > reasons. > if you dont have a phone you instantly made your potential market a lot > smaller. if it doesnt fit in a pocket easily - you just shrunk your market > significantly. the more you move your product into a market niche, the > more > likely it is to fail due to just not making enough volume. open products > is > already a niche. > > It was not an example of what you need, it was an example of how they did it and what we can learn of it. Also, it's not 'yet another mini pda', because of it's openness you can use it the way you want, just use your imagination and your programming skills :) Your statement 'open products is already a niche' is the exact statement I heard 15-years ago about open-software. We are just at the beginning, just give it some time. :) Ghislain http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/gta02-core-was-Re-OM-future-tp4628177p4631828.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wolfgang at sharism.cc Thu Feb 25 12:16:46 2010 From: wolfgang at sharism.cc (Wolfgang Spraul) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:16:46 +0000 Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) In-Reply-To: <1267094182596-4631684.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225100754.GB12722@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100225212056.d60e992b.raster@rasterman.com> <1267094182596-4631684.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20100225111646.GA3682@devel.wolf> Ghislain, > They showed how the process is done, from the beginning to the end (I don't > know about the funding). even that is open :-) (scroll down to second part) http://en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/developer/2010-February/001918.html > Although it's not a phone, I do have a working ultra-portable now for a > reasonable price :) (It just needs some software-ports, but that is part of > the fun). Phone is super hard. I finally agree with rasterman on something and share most of what he said earlier in this thread about the economics of getting an 'open' hardware project going. It's tough. And the phone is the toughest of them all. OpenPandora took 4000 pre-orders and financed it that way, hopefully they will make it, they still have a long way to go, product wise and company wise. For the phone, what do you guys think about the osmocom project by Harald and friends? http://bb.osmocom.org From raster at rasterman.com Thu Feb 25 12:24:22 2010 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:24:22 +1100 Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) In-Reply-To: <1267096221346-4631828.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225100754.GB12722@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100225212056.d60e992b.raster@rasterman.com> <1267094182596-4631684.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100225220043.be56f074.raster@rasterman.com> <1267096221346-4631828.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20100225222422.a1658255.raster@rasterman.com> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 03:10:21 -0800 (PST) ghislain said: > > > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)-2 wrote: > > > > On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 02:36:22 -0800 (PST) ghislain > > said: > > > >> > >> What about the Ben NanoNote (http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page). > >> They showed how the process is done, from the beginning to the end (I > >> don't > >> know about the funding). > > > > i dont need yet another mini pda. i have a small army of them - that dont > > replace the phone junk in my pocket. i - and i would say the vast majority > > of > > people, dont want multiple things in their pockets - why do u think pda's > > are > > dead? they want 1, and the phone trumped all of it for communications > > reasons. > > if you dont have a phone you instantly made your potential market a lot > > smaller. if it doesnt fit in a pocket easily - you just shrunk your market > > significantly. the more you move your product into a market niche, the > > more > > likely it is to fail due to just not making enough volume. open products > > is > > already a niche. nanonote is a fair bit simpler than a phone - much less RF, no complex fcc testing (and every body on the planet) to get certification, no modem at all so skipping one of the big problem areas - its very simple. its not a bad little toy - but its a far cry from a phone. ask wolfgang - he's behind nanonote - ex openmoko. he didnt learn from nanonote - he learned from om to make nanonote. why do u think its not a phone? because a phone is way more expensive - and harder. > It was not an example of what you need, it was an example of how they did it > and what we can learn of it. Also, it's not 'yet another mini pda', because > of it's openness you can use it the way you want, just use your imagination > and your programming skills :) sure - i can do that with my smartq5 too and my other myriad of toys. none of them replace my phone - and making a phone is complex and expensive. > Your statement 'open products is already a niche' is the exact statement I > heard 15-years ago about open-software. We are just at the beginning, just > give it some time. :) and it *IS* a niche. by open products i mean the ones where you open up everything - source and hardware and the target market DEMANDS open or you wont sell anything. that market will remain niche for a very long time - if ever. the general "i dont care much as long as it has cool apps and makes calls and does its job" market will be 95% (number pulled out of arse - meaning vast majority) of the market. thats that's what the big boys cater to. and thats where all the best hardware is - the kind nerds so dearly want to be open so they too can play with it. the way to go (imho) is to make that 95% have more openness to it - android was a big start - maemeo is also a big positive there - as is moblin.. and now the "meego". no - not 100% open, but its working its way there. if you are going to hanging out and wait for gta02-core to make a p0hone - you may be waiting forever. if it does happen you'll find yourself comparing to "iphone 4g" or "nexus 2" or whatever is now out in the 95% of the market. and then crying why it sucks so much in comparison. that was already the case for freerunner. like it or not there is an expectation of at least being in the same ballpark - and as such the big-boys ballpark keeps drifting further away from the "open" one. i think it's better to make the big ballpark have more open in it than to stick to the dminishing distant "pure open" island far from everything interesting :( > Ghislain > http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl > > -- > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/gta02-core-was-Re-OM-future-tp4628177p4631828.html Sent > from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From raster at rasterman.com Thu Feb 25 12:47:35 2010 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:47:35 +1100 Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) In-Reply-To: <20100225111646.GA3682@devel.wolf> References: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225100754.GB12722@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100225212056.d60e992b.raster@rasterman.com> <1267094182596-4631684.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100225111646.GA3682@devel.wolf> Message-ID: <20100225224735.e2a29efd.raster@rasterman.com> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:16:46 +0000 Wolfgang Spraul said: > Ghislain, > > > They showed how the process is done, from the beginning to the end (I don't > > know about the funding). > > even that is open :-) (scroll down to second part) > http://en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/developer/2010-February/001918.html and it's rather cute. :) > > Although it's not a phone, I do have a working ultra-portable now for a > > reasonable price :) (It just needs some software-ports, but that is part of > > the fun). > > Phone is super hard. I finally agree with rasterman on something and share > most of what he said earlier in this thread about the economics of getting > an 'open' hardware project going. It's tough. And the phone is the toughest > of them all. wow! woflgang... we agree? next the earth will spin backwards... :) (seriously- nice work on nanonote. i'm just being harshly realistic here to not let people get too optimistic - all for open devices... but its hard. hyper-hard if its a phone. the simpler the device, the easier it is). > OpenPandora took 4000 pre-orders and financed it that way, hopefully they > will make it, they still have a long way to go, product wise and company wise. indeed. 4000 orders at $330 each - no modem to deal with either and much less pain wrt RF and miniaturisation to make it small. thats $1.3mil in the bank just to get it oign.. and then it's still 1.5 years and no product. a phone to make 40k units would be easily double that - if not triple. and thats 2g only. 3g will bump that up again. i did the sums - to do an open phone equivalent to iphone/pal pre/n900 etc. world - it'd cost about $13mil - and that was to get to being profitable (ie your profits now pay to run the operation. so u'd need to find $13mil of money to make it happen. otherwise u will eventually run yourself out of money and cease operation. $13mil would get you over the hump - just. this is why i too gave up on trying to do an open phone - the money needed was just astronomical. and that money didnt include marketing, sales, logisitcs, etc. etc. - it assumes word-of-mouth publicity (and hoping to get onto digg/reddit/slashdot etc.), an expensive $600-700 or so unit price and direct sales - not allowing for margins for resellers. (wolfgang - would i be far off the mark here? i don't think so). > For the phone, what do you guys think about the osmocom project by Harald > and friends? > http://bb.osmocom.org interesting - from a research point of view. the real question is.. what is the reality of getting it onto a real 3g (hspa+) or lte capable chipset in the future. even then there is the fear that the hw is so raw and able to be squeeze by code, that such code should never be open as mobile networks are very fragile - and no company wants to be known as the one that sells phones that can easily bring down the telcos networks with some malicious firmware. the best i see here is firmware being open, but its signed and only signed binaries get run - do in the end this thwarts a major goal of being open anyway. i wish it would be better, but i wouldnt hold out a lot of hope here beyond this being a cool research project or ending up as above - signed only binaries will run. :( > >From what I understand so far, they will continue to hack their way to make > a GPL GSM stack work with Calypso RF/DSP chips, and later maybe MTK chips. > The RF chips themselves are way out of reach for any of us (to make our own > open version), even way harder than the GPL'ed Milkymist SoC I think we will > get eventually [1] [2]. > So to build a phone around osmocom, we have to reuse MTK RF/DSP chips? > Anybody interested in financing it? :-) > > raster - do you want to pre-order one osmocom phone for 1M USD as you said? hahahahaha.. yeah right :) thats my point :) the prices get so silly in small volume - u'd have to be a mark shuttleworth to do this. i am not in that league by a long shot :) if theres a multi-squillionaire floating here with nothing better to do with their money.. by all means! make this elusive open phone! it can be done - price tag above for a modern one (map3 based, 3g hspa module etc.) is about $13mil. get that money together and you have a shot. :) > You have OpenPandora experience already, this one could only be better. > On steroids! What do you think? > Wolfgang > > [1] http://www.milkymist.org > [2] http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Milkymist_One if you can get your milkymist as an asic with good speed - we might be talking. add in a good cotrex-a8 soc.. and you have a possible open acceleration engine (can be used for 3d, 2d etc.) and a powerful soc - u can leave out the 3d unit from it so not to confuse people (or keep it in for those that are happy with a closed driver). but again - need the pot of gold above :) > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 02:36:22AM -0800, ghislain wrote: > > > > What about the Ben NanoNote (http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page). > > They showed how the process is done, from the beginning to the end (I don't > > know about the funding). > > Although it's not a phone, I do have a working ultra-portable now for a > > reasonable price :) (It just needs some software-ports, but that is part of > > the fun). > > > > Ghislain > > http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl > > openmobile.nl > > -- > > View this message in context: > > http://n2.nabble.com/gta02-core-was-Re-OM-future-tp4628177p4631684.html > > Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From wolfgang at sharism.cc Thu Feb 25 12:54:35 2010 From: wolfgang at sharism.cc (Wolfgang Spraul) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:54:35 +0000 Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) In-Reply-To: <20100225222422.a1658255.raster@rasterman.com> References: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225100754.GB12722@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100225212056.d60e992b.raster@rasterman.com> <1267094182596-4631684.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100225220043.be56f074.raster@rasterman.com> <1267096221346-4631828.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100225222422.a1658255.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <20100225115435.GA4440@devel.wolf> raster, > may be waiting forever. if it does happen you'll find yourself comparing to > "iphone 4g" or "nexus 2" or whatever is now out in the 95% of the market. and > then crying why it sucks so much in comparison. that was already the case for > freerunner. like it or not there is an expectation of at least being in the > same ballpark - and as such the big-boys ballpark keeps drifting further away > from the "open" one. i think it's better to make the big ballpark have more I do think there is a 3rd way. The gigahertz/gigabyte race is not the only race in town. Let them have it. A product that just works very well always has a chance. Usability race. Put people and their real needs and real ability to understand and use products in the center. Don't give a damn if everybody around you goes from 2GHz to 3GHz. Again, no hard feelings, let them have it their way. But there is room for slow made (but still high-tech) products. Product cycles that are so long that they allow real feedback to trickle back from users to creators. What we have now is that most feedback is ignored because by the time it reaches the creators, they are already 2 generations ahead. Plus I have to say - the industry is turning into a produce trash throw-away trash industry so fast I couldn't even imagine. Even I gave in now: When I shop for a DVD player, I buy the cheapest. Absolutely the cheapest. No prisoners taken. Inevitably, some X months later, I run into the first (officially bought) DVD with latest-and-greatest DRM tricks on it that won't play. Now I throw away my player and get a new one (of course cheapest again). This system works quite well. But it's insane! The phone industry is cranking out 1+ billion phones a year. Very soon they need to increase the crappiness and "won't fix" features in their products so they have a chance to sell the billions more already in the pipeline. There definitely is another way. Must be. Business opportunity! Let's see how long people will be using their FreeRunners, and how long they will be using their N900... If the FreeRunner would be bug free, I'm sure people would still use them in 10+ years, easily. Way to go gta02-core, and way to go osmocom! Wolfgang On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:24:22PM +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 03:10:21 -0800 (PST) ghislain said: > > > > > > > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)-2 wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 02:36:22 -0800 (PST) ghislain > > > said: > > > > > >> > > >> What about the Ben NanoNote (http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page). > > >> They showed how the process is done, from the beginning to the end (I > > >> don't > > >> know about the funding). > > > > > > i dont need yet another mini pda. i have a small army of them - that dont > > > replace the phone junk in my pocket. i - and i would say the vast majority > > > of > > > people, dont want multiple things in their pockets - why do u think pda's > > > are > > > dead? they want 1, and the phone trumped all of it for communications > > > reasons. > > > if you dont have a phone you instantly made your potential market a lot > > > smaller. if it doesnt fit in a pocket easily - you just shrunk your market > > > significantly. the more you move your product into a market niche, the > > > more > > > likely it is to fail due to just not making enough volume. open products > > > is > > > already a niche. > > nanonote is a fair bit simpler than a phone - much less RF, no complex fcc > testing (and every body on the planet) to get certification, no modem at all so > skipping one of the big problem areas - its very simple. its not a bad little > toy - but its a far cry from a phone. ask wolfgang - he's behind nanonote - ex > openmoko. he didnt learn from nanonote - he learned from om to make nanonote. > why do u think its not a phone? because a phone is way more expensive - and > harder. > > > It was not an example of what you need, it was an example of how they did it > > and what we can learn of it. Also, it's not 'yet another mini pda', because > > of it's openness you can use it the way you want, just use your imagination > > and your programming skills :) > > sure - i can do that with my smartq5 too and my other myriad of toys. none of > them replace my phone - and making a phone is complex and expensive. > > > Your statement 'open products is already a niche' is the exact statement I > > heard 15-years ago about open-software. We are just at the beginning, just > > give it some time. :) > > and it *IS* a niche. by open products i mean the ones where you open up > everything - source and hardware and the target market DEMANDS open or you wont > sell anything. that market will remain niche for a very long time - if ever. > the general "i dont care much as long as it has cool apps and makes calls and > does its job" market will be 95% (number pulled out of arse - meaning vast > majority) of the market. thats that's what the big boys cater to. and thats > where all the best hardware is - the kind nerds so dearly want to be open so > they too can play with it. > > the way to go (imho) is to make that 95% have more openness to it - android was > a big start - maemeo is also a big positive there - as is moblin.. and now the > "meego". no - not 100% open, but its working its way there. > > if you are going to hanging out and wait for gta02-core to make a p0hone - you > may be waiting forever. if it does happen you'll find yourself comparing to > "iphone 4g" or "nexus 2" or whatever is now out in the 95% of the market. and > then crying why it sucks so much in comparison. that was already the case for > freerunner. like it or not there is an expectation of at least being in the > same ballpark - and as such the big-boys ballpark keeps drifting further away > from the "open" one. i think it's better to make the big ballpark have more > open in it than to stick to the dminishing distant "pure open" island far from > everything interesting :( > > > Ghislain > > http://www.basetrend.nl BaseTrend - http://www.openmobile.nl openmobile.nl > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > > http://n2.nabble.com/gta02-core-was-Re-OM-future-tp4628177p4631828.html Sent > > from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community at lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > -- > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community From raster at rasterman.com Thu Feb 25 13:05:17 2010 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:05:17 +1100 Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) In-Reply-To: <20100225115435.GA4440@devel.wolf> References: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225100754.GB12722@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100225212056.d60e992b.raster@rasterman.com> <1267094182596-4631684.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100225220043.be56f074.raster@rasterman.com> <1267096221346-4631828.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100225222422.a1658255.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225115435.GA4440@devel.wolf> Message-ID: <20100225230517.47c1673d.raster@rasterman.com> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:54:35 +0000 Wolfgang Spraul said: > raster, > > > may be waiting forever. if it does happen you'll find yourself comparing to > > "iphone 4g" or "nexus 2" or whatever is now out in the 95% of the market. > > and then crying why it sucks so much in comparison. that was already the > > case for freerunner. like it or not there is an expectation of at least > > being in the same ballpark - and as such the big-boys ballpark keeps > > drifting further away from the "open" one. i think it's better to make the > > big ballpark have more > > I do think there is a 3rd way. The gigahertz/gigabyte race is not the only > race in town. Let them have it. > A product that just works very well always has a chance. Usability race. Put > people and their real needs and real ability to understand and use products > in the center. Don't give a damn if everybody around you goes from 2GHz to > 3GHz. Again, no hard feelings, let them have it their way. > > But there is room for slow made (but still high-tech) products. Product > cycles that are so long that they allow real feedback to trickle back from > users to creators. What we have now is that most feedback is ignored because > by the time it reaches the creators, they are already 2 generations ahead. > > Plus I have to say - the industry is turning into a produce trash throw-away > trash industry so fast I couldn't even imagine. > Even I gave in now: When I shop for a DVD player, I buy the cheapest. > Absolutely the cheapest. No prisoners taken. > Inevitably, some X months later, I run into the first (officially bought) DVD > with latest-and-greatest DRM tricks on it that won't play. Now I throw away my > player and get a new one (of course cheapest again). > This system works quite well. > But it's insane! > > The phone industry is cranking out 1+ billion phones a year. > Very soon they need to increase the crappiness and "won't fix" features in > their products so they have a chance to sell the billions more already in the > pipeline. > There definitely is another way. Must be. Business opportunity! > Let's see how long people will be using their FreeRunners, and how long > they will be using their N900... If the FreeRunner would be bug free, I'm > sure people would still use them in 10+ years, easily. > > Way to go gta02-core, and way to go osmocom! > Wolfgang aaah - the race to the bottom. indeed. thats one way - but that kind of solves itself - whatever the smartphones used 3-4 years ago now is cheap as chips. also remember - dvds havent changed. its the same requirement as when they came out. phones and pc's are in a different world - well if the phone does more than just make calls. they have to deal with apps.. and worse - the internet. the web. and that evolves and changes every day - needing more and more resources on your "interface to the internude". were it to be like dvd's where the requirements dont change... it'd get awesomely cheap - but luckily for the hw industry.. thats not the case... so they get to sell u faster/bigger/better.. just to keep up with "the internet" how it is now. :) let's see - if things get smaller/faster/more efficient web etc. wise.. this may change - but i dont see that happening any time soon. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From info at apertum.it Thu Feb 25 13:46:14 2010 From: info at apertum.it (-= Apertum =-) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:46:14 +0100 Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) In-Reply-To: <20100225115435.GA4440@devel.wolf> References: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225100754.GB12722@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100225212056.d60e992b.raster@rasterman.com> <1267094182596-4631684.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100225220043.be56f074.raster@rasterman.com> <1267096221346-4631828.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100225222422.a1658255.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225115435.GA4440@devel.wolf> Message-ID: <4B867116.50501@apertum.it> * Wolfgang Spraul wrote, Il 25/02/2010 12:54: > There definitely is another way. Must be. Business opportunity! > Let's see how long people will be using their FreeRunners, and how long > they will be using their N900... If the FreeRunner would be bug free, I'm > sure people would still use them in 10+ years, easily. > I agree here, totally. And IMHO openess *should* be different in this aspect: it *must* be detached from a consumerism centered economy. But these products must be really bug free and working very well. Unfortunately it's still not the case of the FreeRunner (hardware side *and* software side). -- Andrea -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20100225/98475b78/attachment.htm From uzi18 at o2.pl Thu Feb 25 14:29:56 2010 From: uzi18 at o2.pl (=?UTF-8?Q?Bart=C5=82omiej_Zimon?=) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:29:56 +0100 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_[qtmoko]_New_significant_speedups_coming_to_FreeRunner?= In-Reply-To: <1266061343639-4565826.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1263198892150-4284388.post@n2.nabble.com> <1266058154363-4565706.post@n2.nabble.com> <847hqhcqtk.fsf@sauna.l.org> <1266061343639-4565826.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <500a1a3b.32ea48f9.4b867b54.5097c@o2.pl> Dnia 13 lutego 2010 12:42 ghislain napisa?(a): > > > Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > > > > How can kernel modules affect graphics performance? > > > > Maybe because some of the necessary modules can't be loaded now. > I use this kernel on QtMoko and graphics are very fast, this was the only > reason I could think of. > Yes, i think this is because of QtMoko v19 nodebug kernel so syslogs are not slowing down all drivers. Thx Radek this kernel kicks ass. Gui is very resonsive, as never before. Best regards. Bartek From rixed at happyleptic.org Thu Feb 25 15:43:07 2010 From: rixed at happyleptic.org (rixed at happyleptic.org) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:43:07 +0100 Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) In-Reply-To: <20100225115435.GA4440@devel.wolf> References: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225100754.GB12722@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100225212056.d60e992b.raster@rasterman.com> <1267094182596-4631684.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100225220043.be56f074.raster@rasterman.com> <1267096221346-4631828.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100225222422.a1658255.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225115435.GA4440@devel.wolf> Message-ID: <20100225144307.GC17136@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> Glad I read this. I completely agree, yet I would like to add another thing : Lets consider the whole market for mobile devices. It's composed for one part of the yupee techno addicts that want the latest gadget around, and for the other part by other people that have either no special attraction to technology, or not the budget to buy the latest gadget, or not the desire to confront the latest, buggiest and more complex devices. Like the PC market is composed for one part of the gamers who want the latest chips and can endure painful configuration and frequent crashes, and for the other part by normal people with simple needs who are more than happy with an EEE desktop (for instance). Due to our occupation and jobs we are probably all surrounded by the former kind of person, plus the advertisements everywhere suggest that everyone have or want the latest gadget, but honestly which part of the market looks like a niche ? From rixed at happyleptic.org Thu Feb 25 16:00:49 2010 From: rixed at happyleptic.org (rixed at happyleptic.org) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:00:49 +0100 Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) In-Reply-To: <20100225224735.e2a29efd.raster@rasterman.com> References: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225100754.GB12722@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100225212056.d60e992b.raster@rasterman.com> <1267094182596-4631684.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100225111646.GA3682@devel.wolf> <20100225224735.e2a29efd.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <20100225150049.GD17136@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> -[ Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:47:35PM +1100, Carsten Haitzler ]---- > a phone to make 40k units would be easily double that - if not triple. and > thats 2g only. 3g will bump that up again. I don't know for other countries, but here in France the majority of 3g subscribers never use it. All day long you can see adds on TV trying to sell video calls, TV on phone, etc, yet you could pack in a bus all the people that actually _use_ these services. From raster at rasterman.com Thu Feb 25 16:10:47 2010 From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 02:10:47 +1100 Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) In-Reply-To: <20100225150049.GD17136@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> References: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225100754.GB12722@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100225212056.d60e992b.raster@rasterman.com> <1267094182596-4631684.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100225111646.GA3682@devel.wolf> <20100225224735.e2a29efd.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225150049.GD17136@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> Message-ID: <20100226021047.a7453fed.raster@rasterman.com> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:00:49 +0100 rixed at happyleptic.org said: > -[ Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:47:35PM +1100, Carsten Haitzler ]---- > > a phone to make 40k units would be easily double that - if not triple. and > > thats 2g only. 3g will bump that up again. > > I don't know for other countries, but here in France the majority of > 3g subscribers never use it. All day long you can see adds on TV trying > to sell video calls, TV on phone, etc, yet you could pack in a bus all > the people that actually _use_ these services. internet. need i say more. as such its actually used here in australia, and in japan, and korea, and the usa, etc. - people really do use phones for looking up stuff, maps (yes downloading the maps as you go), blogging, instant messaging and email - oh god email. sure - video calls, tv etc. are pretty moot - but the other things definitely use 3g - there is a big difference between 2g and 3g for speed when it comes to loading web pages. not to mention cost-wise - 2g and 3g get priced differently with 3g being much much much cheaper for data in au than 2g generally (cheapest telco for data is 3 and they are 3g only - 2g data rates are just silly. 3g data is cheap). but - u'd need a phone that actually uses such things nicely and still most people dont have one. you'd need an iphone, modern android or palm webos device for this to really work. then it becomes a different game as your phone can make use of all that data... -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com From John.Gay at ge.com Thu Feb 25 17:04:26 2010 From: John.Gay at ge.com (Gay, John (GE Infra, Energy, Non-GE)) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:04:26 -0500 Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) In-Reply-To: <20100226021047.a7453fed.raster@rasterman.com> References: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com><20100225100754.GB12722@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com><20100225212056.d60e992b.raster@rasterman.com><1267094182596-4631684.post@n2.nabble.com><20100225111646.GA3682@devel.wolf><20100225224735.e2a29efd.raster@rasterman.com><20100225150049.GD17136@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100226021047.a7453fed.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: As rasterman knows quite a bit more about hardware than most people I know, I'm curious to know his opinion on the Flow G1.5 and up-coming G2 from Gizmo for you? http://www.gizmoforyou.net/site/ Sounds at least as open hardware-wise and Openmoko was and seems to actually be available for a price, though a rather high one. I also find the game platform and general-purpose daughter card rather interesting. Cheers, John Gay From rtm at cfa.harvard.edu Thu Feb 25 17:28:18 2010 From: rtm at cfa.harvard.edu (Ken Young) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:28:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) Message-ID: Wolfgang Spraul wrote: > If the FreeRunner would be bug free, I'm > sure people would still use them in 10+ years, easily. The truth is that even though the Freerunner is buggy as hell, some people will still be using them in 10+ years. Face it, we are now in the same boat as the Apple Newton fanatics. We play with phones, because we enjoy playing with phones. There is no viable business model here. None. Openmoko Inc had a far better shot at success than any open phone manufacturer will have again for the foreseeable future. When the Neo 1973 came out, there were no mass-market linux phones available. The competition was relatively weak back then. And still Openomoko was not able to make a go of it. Perhaps better management would have made a difference. But that doesn't matter now. If you go to the maemo IRC channel these days, it's like an Openmoko reunion. The people who want to make applications for a linux phone have moved on. They were a significant part of the Openmoko community, and they want a linux phone that works. If a gta03 were to go on sale tomorrow, I believe it would sell more poorly than the gta02 did. And the gta02 didn't sell enough units to keep Openmoko Inc in the phone business. The gta02-core and gta03 are of interest only to a proper subset of the people who were originally interested in Openmoko phones. As Raster has pointed out, the idea that a group of hobbyists is going to make a viable phone in their spare time, using parts which are collecting dust in Sean's closet, is risible. The other possible future for OM software is anti-vendor ports. It's hard to imagine that the OM software running on something like the Palm Pre will work more smoothly than the same software running on the OM hardware, for which the developers did not have to reverse engineer many things. So if the anti-vendor ports are successful, we'll end up being able to turn something like the Palm Pre into a buggy hobbyist toy like the FreeRunner. Hooray! Some in the OM community seem to suggest that if vendors *just knew* that they could have the wonderful SHR software for free, they'd design phones around it. I disagree. There is very little incentive for vendors and telecoms to support open systems, and plenty of reasons for them not to. From a vendor's point of view, selling a phone that the user has full control of is a nightmare. If something like the SHR stack ever actually entered widespread use, it would be the perfect platform for malware. Users would be bricking their phones right and left. Calls to service centers would go way up. Phone networks would be subject to DOS attacks. The only reason that PCs are general purpose computers is a historical accident - PCs grew out of the hobbyist market, and hobbyists wanted a machine they could program. There was no threat of external malware in the early 1980s. The constant fight against PC malware is the price we now pay for that heritage. Most PC users would be better off with a machine that came with a web browser, a few tools for photo manipulation and multimedia, and which could not have any additional software installed. With smart phones, the industry has a chance to replay history. They can make the platform closed, and largely prevent the whole malware nightmare. They can reduce the universe of software configurations they have to support. It makes sense for them to do that. Sad as it is for us, the most sensible approach for phone makers is probably Apple's. I enjoy playing with my Freerunners, and my Neo 1973. Others do too. But be honest with yourself - these phones are a dead end. At this point we are like the nut-cases who want to run linux on their iPods. Ken From rakshat at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 17:48:31 2010 From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:18:31 +0530 Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) In-Reply-To: <20100226021047.a7453fed.raster@rasterman.com> References: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225100754.GB12722@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100225212056.d60e992b.raster@rasterman.com> <1267094182596-4631684.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100225111646.GA3682@devel.wolf> <20100225224735.e2a29efd.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225150049.GD17136@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100226021047.a7453fed.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <69a2e4551002250848pcf55f39ye84d7a6313389138@mail.gmail.com> > internet. need i say more. as such its actually used here in australia, and > in > japan, and korea, and the usa, etc. - people really do use phones for > looking > up stuff, maps (yes downloading the maps as you go), blogging, instant > messaging and email - oh god email. sure - video calls, tv etc. are pretty > moot > - but the other things definitely use 3g - there is a big difference > between 2g > and 3g for speed when it comes to loading web pages. not to mention > cost-wise - > 2g and 3g get priced differently with 3g being much much much cheaper for > data > in au than 2g generally (cheapest telco for data is 3 and they are 3g only > - 2g > data rates are just silly. 3g data is cheap). > > but - u'd need a phone that actually uses such things nicely and still most > people dont have one. you'd need an iphone, modern android or palm webos > device > for this to really work. then it becomes a different game as your phone can > make use of all that data... > Lets take the desktop analogy further I use a 2004 Tosiba laptop with a celeron processor (ubuntu ) as my main laptop still. 6 years down the line the "modern" internet runs perfectly on it (modern games pretty much don't :). Firefox renders pretty much everything, Java works, maps, banking, server hosted apps, social networking sites; everything really does work. Now I have two employees in my 3 people company and both my employees have had their laptops upgraded (at my cost). One has a fancy HP with one of the latest intel processors and the other a macbook. Did they really need these upgardes to use the modern evolving web? No. But they definitely felt that they needed the latest hardware to be productive in their work. Why am i mentioning all these anecdotes. Because I feel that they highlight the fact that people will always want the latest and fanciest hardware they can afford but at the sametime its just BS to say you need the latest hardware to run the evolving internet. Snapdragon is cool but the 233 MHz samsung in the Neo 1973 is still more than capable of handling anything the mobile internet has thrown up till now (if designed properly - like raster is right about the qvga screen in the OM phones). I do buy the 3G module and lisense cost issues and till date I don't see how this can be worked around for a fully open phone. Anyway Qi's roadmap does say Open Phone in 2012 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Roadmap So we continue to dream :) Rakshat > > -- > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster at rasterman.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- -------------- Please use Firefox as your web browser. 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Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - From rizurita at yahoo.com Thu Feb 25 20:41:24 2010 From: rizurita at yahoo.com (Rafael Ignacio Zurita) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:41:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) In-Reply-To: <4B8637C6.60608@1407.org> Message-ID: <240724.80761.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hello, --- On Thu, 2/25/10, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > Em 25-02-2010 01:39, Carsten Haitzler > (The Rasterman) escreveu: > > boys with the big pots of money are surprisingly close [snip] > > compromises. but you can get some of it at least. > > Oh come on, don't beat them with a stick, if you don't have people > working on this now, then when the time comes there will be pretty much > nothing to show and all the time of development will have to start > *then* instead of now :) > > The beauty of these communities thing is that one resource spent in > developping gta02-core is not one resource not spent in SHR because (and > I might be wrong here because I'm not into gta02-core) most likely > gta02-core people don't feel as excited writing software for a > smartphone environment (PIM, call support, other apps, etc...). > > As such, gta02-core people are not diminishing SHR people, but > complementing. You are right and that is my point. The other bits around about big companies with money doing propietary stuff is off topic; since the original thread mail was intended to talk about community projects which learn the proper software/hardware development processes needed for an open mobile phone, no about who is going to do a product for the 95% of the market and which is that product. Sorry for my english guys, maybe I did not explain the idea very well. Rafael From openmoko at ginguppin.de Thu Feb 25 20:49:53 2010 From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:49:53 +0100 Subject: [debian] ssh hangs In-Reply-To: <844olaiiae.fsf@sauna.l.org> References: <84eikeisiq.fsf@sauna.l.org> <844olaiiae.fsf@sauna.l.org> Message-ID: >> nope. and not with other targets. only the fr, which makes me suspect it > > What if you ssh to localhost on FR itself? while trying that it occurs to me, that there's no way to answer that: - i still have not found how reliably reproduce the issue -- it happens pretty frequently, but, you know, a watched kettle never boils - the only sensbile way to try that, is by connecting via ssh from my box and then locally on the fr -- but, if the connection freezes again, how do i tell whether it was caused by the local or the remote one? From neiljerram at googlemail.com Thu Feb 25 21:44:44 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:44:44 +0000 Subject: [debian] minor enhancements In-Reply-To: <1264674256.25057.23.camel@opal> References: <49dd78621001111526vd7879bbl9e340144f3b17e65@mail.gmail.com> <68da43e01001112209k301d9bd3vcfc883fd54448f94@mail.gmail.com> <49dd78621001112342l6d8d1db7u3bb3d90fa4ba1435@mail.gmail.com> <68da43e01001272224u20c05947yc072645073a98d2a@mail.gmail.com> <1264674256.25057.23.camel@opal> Message-ID: <49dd78621002251244l6458150fw3274d1e6ff7a8ce9@mail.gmail.com> On 28 January 2010 10:24, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > Am Donnerstag, den 28.01.2010, 08:24 +0200 schrieb Timo Jyrinki: >> >> Well, I think you could discuss with FSO team if you could commit >> rights to the zhone repository there. It's the most obvious/known >> place anyway, and I'd think it'd bring more visibility to the patches >> in your tree if they would be there. > > Absolutely. If you want to get commit access to zhone, drop me your ssh > key. Just to let anyone interested know: I have now pushed some commits to the zhone repository at git.freesmartphone.org, and I intend to continue doing so from time to time, which I think that changes are stable and safe enough. For what it's worth, I think that zhone is a very attractive phone application, and so well worth a bit of continuing work. All interested parties: please do keep an eye on the repository from time to time, and let me know if you have any concerns. Also, if you have any suggestions, requests or patches, please feel free to send them to me. Regards, Neil From neiljerram at googlemail.com Thu Feb 25 23:30:10 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:30:10 +0000 Subject: [PATCH] frameworkd battery status reporting Message-ID: <49dd78621002251430n437436a8lb7f0f9b258a00040@mail.gmail.com> On 5 February 2010 22:44, Neil Jerram wrote: > On 14 January 2010 22:41, Neil Jerram wrote: >> >> I've just installed Timo's kernel from >> http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/moko/kernel_20100108_nodebug_nopreempt/uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_oma-andy-2a04ce8203d7d0f1.bin, [...] >> >> But I noticed two apparent changes/regressions. >> >> 1. The openmoko-panel-plugin battery icon doesn't notice changes to >> the battery charging state. ?I can force it to notice by clicking on >> the icon, but it doesn't notice itself. ?I guess that means that the >> dbus signals for charging status are not working. > > I think I've fixed this one. ?Apparently kobject notification has > changed behaviour in the case where the /sys paths that frameworkd > watches are symbolic links. ?When the Python-level notification > callback is called, the path given is a canonical link, not the > original symbolic link path. I'd like to get the attached frameworkd patch upstream, if people think it is correct. But it occurs to me that I don't recall hearing this problem being reported by SHR users - and so I'm wondering if that might mean that the patch isn't right for SHR. Is the current SHR kernel significantly different (older?) from Timo's no-debug kernel at the location above? In particular, can anyone pin down whether it contains the same (apparent) sysfs change as described above? (I'm afraid I haven't yet managed to find that change in the andy-tracking git log.) Alternatively, does SHR do battery status reporting in some completely different way, which would be unaffected by this patch? Thanks in advance for any enlightenment... Neil -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Kind regards, --Toni++ From neiljerram at googlemail.com Fri Feb 26 00:04:40 2010 From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:04:40 +0000 Subject: Fwd: Your message to community awaits moderator approval In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49dd78621002251504v18e8fe49i402db09d3bc03235@mail.gmail.com> Does this list actually have any active moderators? If not, who has the authority to appoint a new one? Or should the list config be loosened? I sent an email with lots of diagnostics about non-reported SMSes, and it seems to have been swallowed by a black hole. Regards, Neil ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: 6 February 2010 15:19 Subject: Your message to community awaits moderator approval To: neiljerram at googlemail.com Your mail to 'community' with the subject ? ?Re: Investigation of failure to report received SMS Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: ? ?Message body is too big: 56729 bytes with a limit of 40 KB Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. ?If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: ? ?http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/confirm/community/068718d019a4fc038b90d099c9a86cf672f5e62f From nicola.mfb at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 00:25:00 2010 From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:25:00 +0100 Subject: Problems with NWA In-Reply-To: <18db98c81002150634s55d13aebpd846e08e3ba5d94e@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100215142237.GE4782@york.ac.uk> <18db98c81002150634s55d13aebpd846e08e3ba5d94e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <359c5481002251525p7d74d8a6s1e2abd0acc796608@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Davide Scaini wrote: > yes.. > you have to use qt libs from noko repos?dalle libqt* 4.4.3-r3 (while in shr > repos you find 4.6.0-r14.1.4). > It's a problem in cflgs when compiling qts on shr... nicola (the developer > of nwa) is aware of this, and shr guys I think too... > d [...] Martin fixed qt builds (thanks again), and Ben just reported that NWA works again after upgrading. Regards Niko From billk at iinet.net.au Fri Feb 26 00:26:25 2010 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:26:25 +0800 Subject: Fwd: Your message to community awaits moderator approval In-Reply-To: <49dd78621002251504v18e8fe49i402db09d3bc03235@mail.gmail.com> References: <49dd78621002251504v18e8fe49i402db09d3bc03235@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1267140385.11554.15.camel@rattus> sounds like you should create a bug and post a summary here when it gets that big. BillK On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 23:04 +0000, Neil Jerram wrote: > Does this list actually have any active moderators? If not, who has > the authority to appoint a new one? Or should the list config be > loosened? > > I sent an email with lots of diagnostics about non-reported SMSes, and > it seems to have been swallowed by a black hole. > > Regards, > Neil > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: > Date: 6 February 2010 15:19 > Subject: Your message to community awaits moderator approval > To: neiljerram at googlemail.com > > > Your mail to 'community' with the subject > > Re: Investigation of failure to report received SMS > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > > The reason it is being held: > > Message body is too big: 56729 bytes with a limit of 40 KB > > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive > notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel > this posting, please visit the following URL: > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/confirm/community/068718d019a4fc038b90d099c9a86cf672f5e62f > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community at lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! From billk at iinet.net.au Fri Feb 26 00:31:48 2010 From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:31:48 +0800 Subject: gta02-core (was Re: OM future) In-Reply-To: <20100226021047.a7453fed.raster@rasterman.com> References: <990152.84121.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20100225123925.e127ddd1.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225100754.GB12722@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100225212056.d60e992b.raster@rasterman.com> <1267094182596-4631684.post@n2.nabble.com> <20100225111646.GA3682@devel.wolf> <20100225224735.e2a29efd.raster@rasterman.com> <20100225150049.GD17136@fp-desktop.fr.evistel.com> <20100226021047.a7453fed.raster@rasterman.com> Message-ID: <1267140708.11554.21.camel@rattus> On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 02:10 +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:00:49 +0100 rixed at happyleptic.org said: > > > -[ Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:47:35PM +1100, Carsten Haitzler ]---- > > > a phone to make 40k units would be easily double that - if not triple. and > > > thats 2g only. 3g will bump that up again. > > > > I don't know for other countries, but here in France the majority of > > 3g subscribers never use it. All day long you can see adds on TV trying > > to sell video calls, TV on phone, etc, yet you could pack in a bus all > > the people that actually _use_ these services. > > internet. need i say more. as such its actually used here in australia, and in > japan, and korea, and the usa, etc. - people really do use phones for looking > up stuff, maps (yes downloading the maps as you go), blogging, instant > messaging and email - oh god email. sure - video calls, tv etc. are pretty moot > - but the other things definitely use 3g - there is a big difference between 2g > and 3g for speed when it comes to loading web pages. not to mention cost-wise - > 2g and 3g get priced differently with 3g being much much much cheaper for data > in au than 2g generally (cheapest telco for data is 3 and they are 3g only - 2g > data rates are just silly. 3g data is cheap). > > but - u'd need a phone that actually uses such things nicely and still most > people dont have one. you'd need an iphone, modern android or palm webos device > for this to really work. then it becomes a different game as your phone can > make use of all that data... > Also dont forget "progress" - here in Western Australia GSM coverage is static and may even be shrinking, where 3G is already far greater and expanding. The freerunner is a phone only as long as a network is available to connect to - as I found out when on holiday last year. Think driving hundreds of kilometers with no connection at all, where a 3G phone at least had a connection at many places. GSM obsolete here :( BillK From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 03:50:42 2010 From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:50:42 -0800 Subject: [shr-u 20100212] what has happened to mickeyterm? Message-ID: so i reflashed to 20100212 a while ago. but i was overseas and did not have a working sim card. back home i go and try to makes some phone calls only to discovery everyone is complaining about my call quality. i, not wanting to annoy people, go to check the mickeyterm settings for noise and what now. only to find -sh: mickeyterm: not found. so, where has it gone? is it dead? is there a replacement? was it simply just missing from the 20100212 build? From vendion at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 04:09:16 2010 From: vendion at gmail.com (Adam Jimerson) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:09:16 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Your message to community awaits moderator approval In-Reply-To: <1267140385.11554.15.camel@rattus> References: <49dd78621002251504v18e8fe49i402db09d3bc03235@mail.gmail.com> <1267140385.11554.15.camel@rattus> Message-ID: Ether that or use something like Pastebin for all the debugging output and other large amounts of text, but the best thing in a case like that would be to open a bug report. On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:26 PM, William Kenworthy wrote: > sounds like you should create