From sean at openmoko.com  Fri Jan  1 00:02:43 2010
From: sean at openmoko.com (Sean Moss-Pultz)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:02:43 -0800
Subject: [WikiReader] where to send patches?
In-Reply-To: <20091230042146.GA21513@grizzly.cita.utoronto.ca>
References: <20091230042146.GA21513@grizzly.cita.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <6cfff7040912311502m57d0f713ybca10425dbbb4b2a@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Robin Humble
<robin.humble+om at anu.edu.au<robin.humble%2Bom at anu.edu.au>
> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've been playing with rebuilding wikireader enwiki images with
> fedora12 x86_64 on a test cluster of ours over the holidays.
> seems to work fine.
>
> I have some small fixes for 64bit issues with hash building, fedora
> paths, php warnings from a different (newer?) php5 version, and some
> nasty hacks to get around php Fatal errors on a few wiki articles.
>
> is this list the right place to send wikireader patches?
>

Hi Robin

We really appreciate the help. Just email code at thewikireader.com or post
something on Github.

Sean
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From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Fri Jan  1 00:11:26 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:11:26 +0000
Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49dd78620912311511v50cfa18dwfcccbb0714215570@mail.gmail.com>

2009/12/29 Risto H. Kurppa <risto at kurppa.fi>:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

Yes.

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

Partly - i.e. reading my gmail with links2.  Other email is elsewhere,
and I don't do electronic calendaring or task tracking.

> What distribution you run most of the time?

Debian.

      Neil


From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Fri Jan  1 00:33:47 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:33:47 +0000
Subject: [FSO] Activate GPRS more than once?
In-Reply-To: <1262025941.709.53.camel@andromeda>
References: <49dd78620912271827j13529157kcd423cfe8ac6253f@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.0912281234380.16367@anni>
	<1262025941.709.53.camel@andromeda>
Message-ID: <49dd78620912311533x3b5955a3wcb934af0f6a73f2a@mail.gmail.com>

2009/12/28 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <mickey at vanille-media.de>:
>
> I'm afraid this is a strange combination of a problem in Python, the
> Python glib bindings, and/or glib itself. When the ppp process gets
> closed, the supervising process (frameworkd in that case) hangs forever.
> I have not yet found a way to fix this, and these days I rather put all
> my energy into finishing fsogsmd. Patches appreciated, of course.

When fsogsmd is finished, will it be responsible for the ppp
supervision instead of frameworkd?  If so, I presume that will fix
this problem, because of fsogsmd not using Python and the bindings
mentioned above.  Is that correct?

In that case, putting energy into fsogsmd sounds good to me; thanks!

FWIW, I can confirm that my observations of GPRS, which I announced as
a second ActivateContext not working, are actually compatible with
"things stop working after a DeactivateContext".

Regards,
         Neil


From ifindleton at videotron.ca  Fri Jan  1 01:04:15 2010
From: ifindleton at videotron.ca (Iain B. Findleton)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:04:15 -0500
Subject: New release of TclFltk and a couple of simple apps...
Message-ID: <4B3D3BFF.2090804@videotron.ca>

I have posted a new release of the TclFltk application development
environment to the sourceforge.net web site
(http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/fltkwish/).

The current version is TclFltk-1.0.155-x and is available for Windows,
Linux (rpm and deb) and the  Openmoko Neo FreeRunner (ipk)

This release contains a number of bug fixes, an additional 3D plot
widget and some documentation improvements.

I have also posted to the site a couple of applications for use on the FR.

    gravity-1.0 - Displays the local gravity vector as computed from the
accelerometer data
    photos-1.0 - An image display and animation application for the FR

These latter applications are in the form of binaries. Source code is
available on the SF site in the form of .tcl files in the Openmoko
sub-directory. You will need to install the .ipk files as they contain
the supporting images, icons, etc needed to get the applications up. The
source files can be run directly after you install the .ipk files by
making them executable.

These applications are O/S independent scripts and have been built and
tested on SHR-U and various OM200x.X releases.

Note that you MUST have the tcl environment installed on your machine,
and you may possibly have
to provide a soft link for libtcl8.4.so if it is not already there. This
soft link should work fine on all releases of tcl.

eg:   On the FR:

        opkg install tcl
        cd /usr/lib
        ln -sf libtcl8.4.19.so libtcl8.4.so

or something similar, depending on your setup.

Note also that I install applications to /usr/local/bin, etc. If you
don't have a /usr/local path, you may need to make that as well:

       for d in bin lib ; do mkdir -p /usr/local/$d ; done

For support, e-mail ifindleton-no-spam- at videotron.ca

With this package on your various platforms, you can develop
applications in a platform independent
context, then just move them where you want them to run.

Happy New Year!


From ifindleton at videotron.ca  Fri Jan  1 01:19:38 2010
From: ifindleton at videotron.ca (Iain B. Findleton)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:19:38 -0500
Subject: [all] reading accelerometers to a text file
In-Reply-To: <1cc7690912311110ja72883ds802a3c440b5006cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f8d5d4f30912310916u738a1af0r189295072388254b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1cc7690912311110ja72883ds802a3c440b5006cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B3D3F9A.1080806@videotron.ca>



Vikas Saurabh wrote:
>> so im interested to know if there is a way to dump accelerometer
>> information and gps information to text files. so that, hopefully,
>> some day in the future i could see read them into a future
>> application?
>>
>> or... if there are any developers just kinda hanging out....  drop me an email!
>>     
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval has some
> sample scripts (in different scripting languages) to dump data.
>
>   
If you want to see a somewhat evolved script to process accelerometer
data, try gravity.tcl from:
http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/fltkwish

That script implements a few subtle aspects of the accelerometers, which
are quite noisy in their
output values.

> --Vikas
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>   



From helge.hafting at hist.no  Fri Jan  1 02:01:36 2010
From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 02:01:36 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CF93CF976A70DD40A48C64F5D4141E341BAD49@EX-VS01.ad.hist.no>



> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
Yes
> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
Yes

> What distribution you run most of the time?
SHR-unstable. I upgrade often, except that I wait when others
run into some new problem. Then I wait for resolution, which normally
don't take long.

> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?

If I change, it will be to correct various problems:
* Buzz and bass problems. Can be fixed with capacitors, but
  that won't be free and it won't help with the slowness problem.
  A BT headset will probably solve my sound issues, and can be carried
  over to future phones. But it means an extra device to bring, and another
  battery to charge. :-/
* Slowness. Of course, the new SHR-U helped. And we may still see
  improvements in X and elsewhere. Still, it seems the device
  has a slow memory bus, a slow connection to its SDcard, and
  slow graphics.  It is useable, but a really snappy phone could be
  tempting. IF it runs a user-modifiable linux, that is!

Helge Hafting
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From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 02:07:39 2010
From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:07:39 -0800
Subject: [shr-u 20091205] forcing timeoko to work
Message-ID: <f8d5d4f30912311707h4ca556c8r5d5cee237e2afe23@mail.gmail.com>

ahoy again list....

i often used timeoko in previous versions of shr-u. but in 20091205
when running timeoko i get:
$ timeoko
timeoko: error while loading shared libraries:
libevas-ver-svn-02.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file
or directory

the developer is MIA and im in need of a timer again.
is there any way to force this application to load and be used?

[ps, eieruhr still works but does not initiate an alarm.]


From helge.hafting at hist.no  Fri Jan  1 02:24:11 2010
From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 02:24:11 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3CEB64.7010004@sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <CF93CF976A70DD40A48C64F5D4141E341BAD4A@EX-VS01.ad.hist.no>




-----Original Message-----
From: shr-user-bounces at lists.shr-project.org on behalf of Vasco N?voa
Sent: Thu 12/31/2009 7:20 PM
Cc: List for Openmoko community discussion; shr-user at lists.shr-project.org
Subject: Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[...]
> Adjusting the call volume is a sorely missed feature, though.

The new SHR-U has that for you. :-)
[...]
> GPRS and WIFI are too unstable for any real connection, so no web or email.

My experience is that GPRS has been stable for a long time, and WIFI
is fine _if_ the phone don't suspend. So keep it on, either by
plugging in power, or by turning suspend off in shr-settings.

There is one annoying problem if several of GPRS/USB/WIFI
is used - the last one to be used changes /etc/resolv.conf,
and if that connection quits then the remaining ones
may fail to look up names. Can be fixed by restarting 
the remaining connection.

>And bluetooth is just not there (no GUI == not there for the user).
>Does anyone else have trouble doing opkg ugrade over gprs? mine hangs 
>after a bit.

I never tried that - but make sure the thing doesn't suspend.
Plug in power, or turn suspend off.


Helge Hafting

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From qukaimuma at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 11:32:08 2010
From: qukaimuma at gmail.com (qu kai)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:32:08 +0800
Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40f7931c1001010232s30018b90ife1f59fcca2f9fb0@mail.gmail.com>

>Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
yes!!

>Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
Yes!

What distribution you run most of the time?

Debian!!


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From enaut.w at googlemail.com  Fri Jan  1 11:55:47 2010
From: enaut.w at googlemail.com (Enaut Waldmeier)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:55:47 +0100
Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <40f7931c1001010232s30018b90ife1f59fcca2f9fb0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com> 
	<40f7931c1001010232s30018b90ife1f59fcca2f9fb0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3859e4831001010255u5b177b83yace5fad0d64dea29@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/1 qu kai <qukaimuma at gmail.com>

>
>
> >Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
>
yes! but I use i the mobile as often as i used it before i had the moko.
(had no other mobile) So not to often.

>
>
> >Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>
 Yes! pretty much the same here.

>
>
> What distribution you run most of the time?
>

SHR


>
> --
> ???
>
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From vanous at penguin.cz  Fri Jan  1 12:01:20 2010
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 12:01:20 +0100
Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100101120120.3508e0c2@vanek.robe.cz>

answering for two people here:


>Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
yes
>Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
yes
>What distribution you run most of the time?
android, shr

-----------

>Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
no
>Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
yes
>What distribution you run most of the time?
shr


Petr



From claregj at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 14:00:54 2010
From: claregj at gmail.com (clare johnstone)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 21:00:54 +0800
Subject: sd card
In-Reply-To: <20091228225431.14814w35gz68p5a8@w18.mail.sapo.pt>
References: <20091228225431.14814w35gz68p5a8@w18.mail.sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <8e354bdf1001010500s7d2cd488oaa39d583f2a5cccc@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 6:54 AM,  <blackfalcon1 at sapo.pt> wrote:
>
> im using neovento 5.6. im trying to see some pics i have on my sd
> card. How do i get it to work. some help please. the sd card is vfat.
>

Hi blackfalcon1,
I am not at all sure about the vfat, as my card in the freerunner is
being used for multibooting and I am not feeling like taking it out to
try another. However you may like to know that neovento 5.6 contains
an imageviewer. It is part of lxde and its name is gpicview.
You can find it by searching for that in google.

I tried it using the menus and it is very frustrating as the menus
have never been set up to fit in the freerunner. What I did is as
follows:
First i have set up the LXTerminal in a suitable size and saved it;
but that may not be necessary,
I can just type in the terminal
gpicview /mnt/sdcard/L6.jpg
which is the only pic I have available, on the sdcard.
It shows it at 100%size and there are many icons in the bottom bar
which are probably explained if you read google about it.
Hope this helps.
I have liked neovento for a long time, but lately have done little
with it as there is very little help to be had, especially in English.
I will get keen again if anyone else is interested.
cheers,
clare


From list at markas-al-nour.org  Fri Jan  1 15:33:15 2010
From: list at markas-al-nour.org (Linus Gasser)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:33:15 +0100
Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B3E07AB.7070507@markas-al-nour.org>

Le 29.12.09 21:30, Risto H. Kurppa a ?crit :
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

No

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

No

> What distribution you run most of the time?

SHR or hackable:1

> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?

The most simple Nokia money can buy. I need to be able to answer phones, 
not:
- scream because buzzing makes it impossible for anybody to understand me
- taking 4 times as much time for writng an SMS compared to the most 
cheap Nokia
- constantly loosing SMS or having long SMS cut in two
- rebooting two or three times a day before receiving calls or being 
able to make
- taking 5 minutes to write an appointement when it takes me 10 seconds 
to do with my do-it-yourself-paper-agenda

I still like it as GPS and GPRS modem, and as mp3-player, though. I'm 
planning to fix it in my car as that...

I still think it's a great experiment on open-source development, and I 
don't mind having paid the money for it. Furthermore I get very 
impressed by the quality of simple Nokia or other phones ;)

Linus


From vanous at penguin.cz  Fri Jan  1 17:30:03 2010
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 17:30:03 +0100
Subject: [Community Updates] 2009-12-31 released.
References: <1262270871.4491.210.camel@ESP-PATBEN-LIN>
	<a93a8b631001010814o3f0ae697qfc21711c55d2ad26@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100101173003.43ea3bae@vanek.robe.cz>

>> Hello everybody,
>> recent Community Update is out and ready!

>
>What about SHR? :P

what's new? :)

P.



From mickey at vanille-media.de  Fri Jan  1 18:03:52 2010
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:03:52 +0100
Subject: [FSO] Activate GPRS more than once?
In-Reply-To: <49dd78620912311533x3b5955a3wcb934af0f6a73f2a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49dd78620912271827j13529157kcd423cfe8ac6253f@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.0912281234380.16367@anni>
	<1262025941.709.53.camel@andromeda>
	<49dd78620912311533x3b5955a3wcb934af0f6a73f2a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1262365432.2920.0.camel@opal>

Am Donnerstag, den 31.12.2009, 23:33 +0000 schrieb Neil Jerram:
> 2009/12/28 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <mickey at vanille-media.de>:
> >
> > I'm afraid this is a strange combination of a problem in Python, the
> > Python glib bindings, and/or glib itself. When the ppp process gets
> > closed, the supervising process (frameworkd in that case) hangs forever.
> > I have not yet found a way to fix this, and these days I rather put all
> > my energy into finishing fsogsmd. Patches appreciated, of course.
> 
> When fsogsmd is finished, will it be responsible for the ppp
> supervision instead of frameworkd?  If so, I presume that will fix
> this problem, because of fsogsmd not using Python and the bindings
> mentioned above.  Is that correct?

Yes.

> In that case, putting energy into fsogsmd sounds good to me; thanks!

:)

Happy new year!

:M:




From jensseidel at users.sf.net  Fri Jan  1 20:35:03 2010
From: jensseidel at users.sf.net (Jens Seidel)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 20:35:03 +0100
Subject: Buzz fix (Was: Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your
	Freerunner?)
In-Reply-To: <4B3E3E5D.60406@hvemder.dk>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3E3E5D.60406@hvemder.dk>
Message-ID: <20100101193503.GA9892@merkur.sol.de>

On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 07:26:37PM +0100, Esben Damgaard wrote:
> Yes and no. I have two Freerunners (and a gta01 that collects dust). One 
> without buzzfix. Using it for testing, programming and playing.
> Other one with buzzfix and using it as primary phone.

I'm curious, do you notice any difference between the buzz fixed one and the
other? I read that only a few phones are affected by the buzz problem but
nearly all (including the buzz fixed ones) have major problems with audio
quality (noise, echo).

So I wonder whether it's worth to get such a fix.

Jens


From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 21:06:09 2010
From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 12:06:09 -0800
Subject: Buzz fix (Was: Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your
	Freerunner?)
In-Reply-To: <20100101193503.GA9892@merkur.sol.de>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3E3E5D.60406@hvemder.dk> <20100101193503.GA9892@merkur.sol.de>
Message-ID: <f8d5d4f31001011206l1a03c8fak48bc68e82a1a26b8@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Jens Seidel <jensseidel at users.sf.net> wrote:
> I'm curious, do you notice any difference between the buzz fixed one and the
> other? I read that only a few phones are affected by the buzz problem but
> nearly all (including the buzz fixed ones) have major problems with audio
> quality (noise, echo).

im curious how many people have played around with there mickeyterm settings.
my phones audio is just as bad as any other phone ive had. not buzz fix.

with audio as low as it may be.


From ed at kapitein.org  Fri Jan  1 22:07:48 2010
From: ed at kapitein.org (Ed Kapitein)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 22:07:48 +0100
Subject: QNavitCtl - Navit Bookmarks via dbus
In-Reply-To: <200912311923.39739.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
References: <200908262157.09734.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<200912301406.51003.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<4B3B5302.1030506@kapitein.org>
	<200912311923.39739.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <4B3E6424.6090009@kapitein.org>

Hi Christian,

Thanks a million, it works like a charm!

How did you come to use "default_navit" ?
I took a look at the source code, but i couldn't find out how to use it.

Happy new-year, my has started perfectly ;-)

Kind regards,
Ed



Christian R?b wrote:
> Hi Ed,
>
> try this:
>
> dbus-send --print-reply --dest=org.navit_project.navit /org/navit_project/navit/default_navit org.navit_project.navit.navit.set_center string:"12.1906 48.999"
>
> I had a look at [1] and after several tries this worked (on my PC). I will update qnavitcl soon - New Year's Eve is too close right now ;-)
> Not sure if this is the correct way though - no reply on navit user ML yet...
>
> Cheers,
>  Christian
>
> [1] http://navit.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/navit/trunk/navit/navit/binding/dbus/binding_dbus.c?view=markup
>
> Am Mittwoch, 30. Dezember 2009 schrieb Ed Kapitein:
>   
>> Hi Christian,
>>
>> Thanks a lot for your explanation!
>> I think i had the same problem you had, i can't set a destination with
>> the current version of navit.
>> (Dbus is enabled)
>> So, i will ask the people from the navit team on how to use dbus with
>> the current version.
>>
>> Thanks again and "happy new year" everybody.
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> Christian R?b wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi Ed,
>>>
>>> to build it on your PC, you need to have qmake (from Qt) installed.
>>> Then simply run
>>> #qmake
>>> (the name may differ, liket qmake-qt4 or something)
>>> This will create your Makefile, then simply run
>>> #make
>>> and you are done, you will get one binary called "qnavitcl" - that's it.
>>>
>>> If you want to build for your Openmoko phone, use my bitbake recipe here (simply copy to your OE tree) and it will build the package for you.
>>>
>>> If you want a prebuilt binary - get it from here [1] (you'll also get dependencies from there). It is built for SHR-U.
>>>
>>> Have you enabled dbus in navit.xml? This is essential.
>>>
>>> Use dbus-send to get a navit instance and then you can control it through the path you get back. Have a look at [2] how I did it in Qt:
>>> registerNavitInstance() and setCenter() will be of most interest for you.
>>>
>>> If you use dbus-send, you also need to print the replies - otherwise you cannot use them ;-) - see man page for futher details
>>>
>>> BUT - with current version of navit I could not get it to work as the dbus interface seems to have changed - "iter" does not exist anymore and I have not found a way yet to get an instance and set destination :(
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>  Christian
>>>
>>> [1] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-new-unstable/
>>> [2] http://git.senfdax.de/?p=qnavitctl;a=blob;f=src/mainwindow.cpp;h=a7b076db790971245b2d4c6769f13ba92b194b3e;hb=a3d4e3ea1506321d09a735e69810e3be01ccc860
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Hi Christian,
>>>>
>>>> i am trying to use navit and dbus, but so far i haven't find out how to
>>>> do it.
>>>> I did download your source, but how do i build it?
>>>> ( real noob here...)
>>>> Could you explain how to build it from source?
>>>> I am used to ./configure, make, make install
>>>>
>>>> Can you give an example of dbus-send to set a destination in navit?
>>>> i want, like you, to have a list of waypoints and i want to set waypoint
>>>> 2 as destination, as soon as i am near waypoint 1.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot in advance.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>> Christian R?b wrote:
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> I wrote a little Qt app to send destination or position to Navit via dbus (needs to be activated in navit.xml first) or center the map.
>>>>> package [1]
>>>>> source [2]
>>>>> screenshot [3]
>>>>>
>>>>> How to use it:
>>>>> create a file with name;lat;lon per line and start the program. If the file is named bookmarks.csv and placed in $HOME or the directory where qnavitctl is started this file is automatically loaded.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why a program that does what Navit already can do?
>>>>>  - for me it is a quick fix for #352 in navit
>>>>>  - for my 1k+ trip I have to prepare intermdeiate stops as otherwise route calculation would take very long (if it would succeed at all), so I can have my navit window and another window to set next destination easily
>>>>>  - it is an example how to talk to navit via dbus and could be used for other apps (e.g. litephone) to get coordinates (e.g. from opimd) and start navigation in navit through a button (e.g. you receive a text containing coordinates, press "take me there" and the coordinates are send as destination to navit via dbus)
>>>>>  - I am still learning Qt :)
>>>>>
>>>>> That's all
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/
>>>>> [2] http://git.senfdax.de/?p=qnavitctl;a=summary
>>>>> [3] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/screenshots/qnavitctl.png
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Openmoko community mailing list
>>>>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>>>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>
>
>
>   



From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Fri Jan  1 22:53:24 2010
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-1?q?R=FCb?=)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 22:53:24 +0100
Subject: QNavitCtl - Navit Bookmarks via dbus
In-Reply-To: <4B3E6424.6090009@kapitein.org>
References: <200908262157.09734.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<200912311923.39739.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<4B3E6424.6090009@kapitein.org>
Message-ID: <201001012253.25179.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

Hi Ed,

Happy New Year as well!

I found the path by looking at the newer wiki page example at the bottom [1] and the source [2].

Meanwhile I built a newer version of qnavitctl for SHR-U, you can find a package here [3] and source here [4].
I also enabled flickcharm "kinetic scrolling" [5].

I also noticed, that on my Frerunner navit was started automatically if it was not running yet, when passing a dbus call via qnavitctl...

Cheers,
 Christian

[1] http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Dbus
[2] http://navit.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/navit/trunk/navit/navit/binding/dbus/binding_dbus.c?view=markup
[3] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-new-unstable/
[4]http://git.senfdax.de/?p=qnavitctl;a=summary
[5] http://labs.qt.nokia.com/blogs/2009/07/19/kinetic-scrolling-on-any-widgets/

> Hi Christian,
> 
> Thanks a million, it works like a charm!
> 
> How did you come to use "default_navit" ?
> I took a look at the source code, but i couldn't find out how to use it.
> 
> Happy new-year, my has started perfectly ;-)
> 
> Kind regards,
> Ed
> 
> 
> 
> Christian R?b wrote:
> > Hi Ed,
> >
> > try this:
> >
> > dbus-send --print-reply --dest=org.navit_project.navit /org/navit_project/navit/default_navit org.navit_project.navit.navit.set_center string:"12.1906 48.999"
> >
> > I had a look at [1] and after several tries this worked (on my PC). I will update qnavitcl soon - New Year's Eve is too close right now ;-)
> > Not sure if this is the correct way though - no reply on navit user ML yet...
> >
> > Cheers,
> >  Christian
> >
> > [1] http://navit.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/navit/trunk/navit/navit/binding/dbus/binding_dbus.c?view=markup
> >
> > Am Mittwoch, 30. Dezember 2009 schrieb Ed Kapitein:
> >   
> >> Hi Christian,
> >>
> >> Thanks a lot for your explanation!
> >> I think i had the same problem you had, i can't set a destination with
> >> the current version of navit.
> >> (Dbus is enabled)
> >> So, i will ask the people from the navit team on how to use dbus with
> >> the current version.
> >>
> >> Thanks again and "happy new year" everybody.
> >> Kind regards,
> >>
> >> Ed
> >>
> >> Christian R?b wrote:
> >>     
> >>> Hi Ed,
> >>>
> >>> to build it on your PC, you need to have qmake (from Qt) installed.
> >>> Then simply run
> >>> #qmake
> >>> (the name may differ, liket qmake-qt4 or something)
> >>> This will create your Makefile, then simply run
> >>> #make
> >>> and you are done, you will get one binary called "qnavitcl" - that's it.
> >>>
> >>> If you want to build for your Openmoko phone, use my bitbake recipe here (simply copy to your OE tree) and it will build the package for you.
> >>>
> >>> If you want a prebuilt binary - get it from here [1] (you'll also get dependencies from there). It is built for SHR-U.
> >>>
> >>> Have you enabled dbus in navit.xml? This is essential.
> >>>
> >>> Use dbus-send to get a navit instance and then you can control it through the path you get back. Have a look at [2] how I did it in Qt:
> >>> registerNavitInstance() and setCenter() will be of most interest for you.
> >>>
> >>> If you use dbus-send, you also need to print the replies - otherwise you cannot use them ;-) - see man page for futher details
> >>>
> >>> BUT - with current version of navit I could not get it to work as the dbus interface seems to have changed - "iter" does not exist anymore and I have not found a way yet to get an instance and set destination :(
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>  Christian
> >>>
> >>> [1] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-new-unstable/
> >>> [2] http://git.senfdax.de/?p=qnavitctl;a=blob;f=src/mainwindow.cpp;h=a7b076db790971245b2d4c6769f13ba92b194b3e;hb=a3d4e3ea1506321d09a735e69810e3be01ccc860
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> Hi Christian,
> >>>>
> >>>> i am trying to use navit and dbus, but so far i haven't find out how to
> >>>> do it.
> >>>> I did download your source, but how do i build it?
> >>>> ( real noob here...)
> >>>> Could you explain how to build it from source?
> >>>> I am used to ./configure, make, make install
> >>>>
> >>>> Can you give an example of dbus-send to set a destination in navit?
> >>>> i want, like you, to have a list of waypoints and i want to set waypoint
> >>>> 2 as destination, as soon as i am near waypoint 1.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks a lot in advance.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kind regards,
> >>>> Ed
> >>>>
> >>>> Christian R?b wrote:
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>>>> I wrote a little Qt app to send destination or position to Navit via dbus (needs to be activated in navit.xml first) or center the map.
> >>>>> package [1]
> >>>>> source [2]
> >>>>> screenshot [3]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How to use it:
> >>>>> create a file with name;lat;lon per line and start the program. If the file is named bookmarks.csv and placed in $HOME or the directory where qnavitctl is started this file is automatically loaded.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Why a program that does what Navit already can do?
> >>>>>  - for me it is a quick fix for #352 in navit
> >>>>>  - for my 1k+ trip I have to prepare intermdeiate stops as otherwise route calculation would take very long (if it would succeed at all), so I can have my navit window and another window to set next destination easily
> >>>>>  - it is an example how to talk to navit via dbus and could be used for other apps (e.g. litephone) to get coordinates (e.g. from opimd) and start navigation in navit through a button (e.g. you receive a text containing coordinates, press "take me there" and the coordinates are send as destination to navit via dbus)
> >>>>>  - I am still learning Qt :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That's all
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/
> >>>>> [2] http://git.senfdax.de/?p=qnavitctl;a=summary
> >>>>> [3] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/screenshots/qnavitctl.png
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Openmoko community mailing list
> >>>>> community at lists.openmoko.org
> >>>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>           
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >
> >
> >
> >   
> 



From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Sat Jan  2 00:14:14 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 23:14:14 +0000
Subject: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin fix for 500mA charging
Message-ID: <49dd78621001011514v981105y9da5db933f77a2f@mail.gmail.com>

For the brave band of Debian users...  openmoko-panel-plugin has a bug
which prevents the button to force 500mA charging from working.  I've
described the bug, and the fix for it, in detail here:
http://projects.openmoko.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=298&group_id=207&atid=867.

Regards,
       Neil


From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Sat Jan  2 00:29:29 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 23:29:29 +0000
Subject: [debian, others?] Partial workaround for GPRS connection dropping
Message-ID: <49dd78621001011529q74c7a87ah9659024f99da4fe4@mail.gmail.com>

I've used GPRS a lot in the last week, and noticed that sometimes the
connection would drop for no apparent reason - in the senses that (1)
internet access stops working, and (2) if you do "ifconfig" at a
terminal, there isn't any "ppp" interface listed.


From pabs3 at bonedaddy.net  Sat Jan  2 00:34:44 2010
From: pabs3 at bonedaddy.net (Paul Wise)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 07:34:44 +0800
Subject: Linux dyn-ticks on S3C24xx support?
In-Reply-To: <fb249edb1001011417h1343d8b4qce1797b9a89a9979@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262226571.3265.53.camel@chianamo>
	<fb249edb1001011417h1343d8b4qce1797b9a89a9979@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1262388884.3141.35.camel@chianamo>

Thanks for the info. Hopefully the recent frequency scaling patch[1]
will help. I'm also excited about the FSCE patches[2], hopefully that
will get upstream soon.

     1. http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td3920523
     2. http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20091001.203525.e1d1afd4.en.html

-- 
bye,
pabs

http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/
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From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Sat Jan  2 01:00:45 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 00:00:45 +0000
Subject: [debian] auxlaunch enhancement to use .desktop files
Message-ID: <49dd78621001011600p6fd5949am18126964fb7c316a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Al, list,

Attached are patches to allow a line in the .auxlaunchrc file to
reference an <app>.desktop file, so that auxlaunch can get the
information that it needs from that file.  I find this useful, but I'm
curious what others may think, so please let me know.  Al, if you'd
like to incorporate this in the official auxlaunch, please feel free.

Regards,
         Neil
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From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Sat Jan  2 01:27:40 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 00:27:40 +0000
Subject: [debian, FSO?] GPRS modem noise in incoming phone call?
Message-ID: <49dd78621001011627k30f0ab8ibbc418337e18a5a9@mail.gmail.com>

I answered a call while using GPRS, and was shocked to hear (what I
presume was) the GPRS modem noise in the phone call audio!  I'm not
sure if I've had an incoming call before while using GPRS, so it's
possible that this is a reproducible configuration problem.  Is there
a basic setting somewhere that could account for this?

Thanks,
       Neil


From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Sat Jan  2 02:24:43 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 01:24:43 +0000
Subject: Ringtone volume and latency
Message-ID: <49dd78621001011724p41f8d7c9ka276d0f98ab7ec11@mail.gmail.com>

In the survey thread, a couple of responses mentioned missing calls
because of ringtone problems - which I take to be either volume too
low, or too much latency, or both.  Here are some thoughts on that.

1) In case this isn't already well known...  FSO actually does nothing
at all with the "volume" setting that you can set in SHR settings, or
Paroli, or in general via the preferences interface.  The only
relevant code is:

oeventsd/fso_actions.py:        self.audio_action = AudioAction(
self.sound_path, self.loop, self.length ) if self.volume != 0 else
None

In other words, all non-zero volume values are equivalent.

2) I tried to measure startup latency by using `time', for various
ways of playing a 9.3s Ogg clip and an equivalent .wav file:

=========================
debian-gta02:/usr/share/sounds# time mplayer kayleigh.ogg
A:   9.0 (08.9) of 9.3 (09.2) 40.1%
real	0m12.242s

debian-gta02:/usr/share/sounds# time play kayleigh.ogg
  Duration: 00:00:09.29  Title: Kayleigh
real	0m10.680s

debian-gta02:/usr/share/sounds# time play kayleigh.ogg
  Duration: 00:00:09.29  Title: Kayleigh
real	0m10.015s

debian-gta02:/usr/share/sounds# time play kayleigh.wav
  Duration: 00:00:09.29
real	0m9.652s

debian-gta02:/usr/share/sounds# time play kayleigh.wav
  Duration: 00:00:09.29
real	0m9.951s

debian-gta02:/usr/share/sounds# time gst-launch filesrc
location=/usr/share/sounds/kayleigh.ogg ! oggdemux ! vorbisdec !
audioconvert ! alsasink
Execution ended after 9384127000 ns.
real	0m11.881s

debian-gta02:/usr/share/sounds# time aplay kayleigh.wav
Playing WAVE 'kayleigh.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo
real	0m9.709s
=========================

There's nothing conclusive here, because I didn't repeat the tests
enough times yet; but it looks like there's an additional latency of
at least 0.5-1s associated with playing an .ogg instead of a .wav, and
rather more than that with gst-launch.

This and the volume issue suggest to me that it would be better for
FSO only to handle plain audio data, and to play it (i.e. when an
incoming call or message comes) using the most lowlevel method (such
as aplay).  An external settings application could handle conversion
from the user's sound file to .wav, and as part of that could allow
the user to adjust the volume and preview the ringtone.

Comments?  Is there a reason why the complexity (and latency) of
handling multiple sound formats should be _inside_ FSO?

Regards,
        Neil


From billk at iinet.net.au  Sat Jan  2 04:27:29 2010
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 03:27:29 +0000
Subject: Ringtone volume and latency
In-Reply-To: <49dd78621001011724p41f8d7c9ka276d0f98ab7ec11@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49dd78621001011724p41f8d7c9ka276d0f98ab7ec11@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1262402849.11618.139.camel@rattus>

On Sat, 2010-01-02 at 01:24 +0000, Neil Jerram wrote:
> In the survey thread, a couple of responses mentioned missing calls
> because of ringtone problems - which I take to be either volume too
> low, or too much latency, or both.  Here are some thoughts on that.
> 
> 1) In case this isn't already well known...  FSO actually does nothing
> at all with the "volume" setting that you can set in SHR settings, or
> Paroli, or in general via the preferences interface.  The only
> relevant code is:
> 
> oeventsd/fso_actions.py:        self.audio_action = AudioAction(
> self.sound_path, self.loop, self.length ) if self.volume != 0 else
> None
> 
> In other words, all non-zero volume values are equivalent.
> 
> 2) I tried to measure startup latency by using `time', for various
> ways of playing a 9.3s Ogg clip and an equivalent .wav file:
> 
> =========================
> debian-gta02:/usr/share/sounds# time mplayer kayleigh.ogg
> A:   9.0 (08.9) of 9.3 (09.2) 40.1%
> real	0m12.242s
> 
> debian-gta02:/usr/share/sounds# time play kayleigh.ogg
>   Duration: 00:00:09.29  Title: Kayleigh
> real	0m10.680s
> 
> debian-gta02:/usr/share/sounds# time play kayleigh.ogg
>   Duration: 00:00:09.29  Title: Kayleigh
> real	0m10.015s
> 
> debian-gta02:/usr/share/sounds# time play kayleigh.wav
>   Duration: 00:00:09.29
> real	0m9.652s
> 
> debian-gta02:/usr/share/sounds# time play kayleigh.wav
>   Duration: 00:00:09.29
> real	0m9.951s
> 
> debian-gta02:/usr/share/sounds# time gst-launch filesrc
> location=/usr/share/sounds/kayleigh.ogg ! oggdemux ! vorbisdec !
> audioconvert ! alsasink
> Execution ended after 9384127000 ns.
> real	0m11.881s
> 
> debian-gta02:/usr/share/sounds# time aplay kayleigh.wav
> Playing WAVE 'kayleigh.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo
> real	0m9.709s
> =========================
> 
> There's nothing conclusive here, because I didn't repeat the tests
> enough times yet; but it looks like there's an additional latency of
> at least 0.5-1s associated with playing an .ogg instead of a .wav, and
> rather more than that with gst-launch.
> 
> This and the volume issue suggest to me that it would be better for
> FSO only to handle plain audio data, and to play it (i.e. when an
> incoming call or message comes) using the most lowlevel method (such
> as aplay).  An external settings application could handle conversion
> from the user's sound file to .wav, and as part of that could allow
> the user to adjust the volume and preview the ringtone.
> 
> Comments?  Is there a reason why the complexity (and latency) of
> handling multiple sound formats should be _inside_ FSO?
> 
> Regards,
>         Neil
> 

Just a couple of thoughts - missing calls is rarely to do with volume
and not hearing the ring (I have changed the standard tones though), and
more to do with crashes.  One of the most annoying is using tangogps
full screen (or any other app full screen) and a call comes in the top
screen can (not always) lose focus and you cant do anything except pull
the battery (doesnt recognise finger/stylus).  Another is hearing the
other end, but they cant hear you - also happens randomly.

There is a lot going on when a call comes in so its not only audio
player latency but enabling the audio path, setting up alsa, handling
the call itself, starting the caller application, ...  And in amongst
that it has to play the audio as well.  Currently this isnt too bad for
me when I set ring only (no vibe) and use the debugfs hack.

shr-u most versions, current shr-t.

BillK





From brolin at brolin.be  Sat Jan  2 05:01:17 2010
From: brolin at brolin.be (Brolin Empey)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 20:01:17 -0800
Subject: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests 
	and personality /in person/?
In-Reply-To: <d30d40f10911301447g134cde48i8e59a4da2d5ccde8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d30d40f10909101312q6cbd303cw3edf5ffa2fa4c2db@mail.gmail.com>
	<d30d40f10911120643g6d831dcct37f32b530c6f72dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<d30d40f10911301447g134cde48i8e59a4da2d5ccde8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d30d40f11001012001u266fc20al8c8d1b0d391b060e@mail.gmail.com>

2009/11/30 Brolin Empey <brolin at brolin.be>:
> 2009/11/12 Brolin Empey <brolin at brolin.be>
>>
>> Hello list,
>>
>> I am writing a follow-up/update to my original post just over 2 months
>> later.
>>
>> What has changed since my original post?
>
> Another update.? What has changed since my last update?

I finally chose and ordered a laptop (a Dell Vostro V13) so I can use
the same PC at home and work.  Of course, I am already regretting my
choice, but at least I chose something.  I always seem to regret my
computer purchases.

I have started moving most of the crap I am packratting to my new
apartment.  I have to wait until Sat, 2010-01-09 to move my furniture
because that is when I planned to have my sister and friend help me.
I am afraid I am going to be even lonelier living alone instead of
with my parents, but at least I will have more privacy.  I am also
afraid I am going to starve because I dislike having to stop what I am
doing to buy food, prepare meals, clean up after meals, etc.  Food
preparation does not interest me because the results seem so extremely
ephemeral.  I am an intellectual and emotional animal (person) who
wants to understand himself by self-study and communication without
having to (what seems like) always worry about eating because my mind
is embodied in the body of an animal, which I do not understand.  I
really wish I did not have to eat because it would make my life so
much easier.  I do not know how to describe my mental state properly,
but I always seem to be seeking an answer which cannot be found.  I
know, this sounds like Neo in The Matrix. :P  I wonder if my mental
processes are really so unusual because they usually seem strange to
me.

I am still lonely because I have no female companion, but at least I
have my male friends, even if I rarely meet them in person.  I know I
have to try new things (go to unfamiliar events and/or places) to meet
girls, but I have been isolating myself more again because that is how
I am.  I do not know what is wrong with me, but I end up making myself
so lonely because I am so inclined to isolate myself.  My parents and
teachers have noticed my lack of (face-to-face/in person) peer
interaction and have been concerned about it since elementary/primary
school.  I do not understand how non-autistic people can seem to
function so much better than me and easily have more close friendships
than me.


From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Sat Jan  2 13:27:53 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:27:53 +0000
Subject: Ringtone volume and latency
In-Reply-To: <1262402849.11618.139.camel@rattus>
References: <49dd78621001011724p41f8d7c9ka276d0f98ab7ec11@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262402849.11618.139.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <49dd78621001020427y29d71655v1bcb3c8bfa0b5cfd@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/2 William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:
>
> Just a couple of thoughts - missing calls is rarely to do with volume
> and not hearing the ring (I have changed the standard tones though), and
> more to do with crashes.

Ah, OK, I didn't realise that.  (I don't yet get enough incoming
mobile calls to have a significant sample.)

Still, the CPU needed to decode Ogg (or another compressed audio
format) could be contributing to that.

> One of the most annoying is using tangogps
> full screen (or any other app full screen) and a call comes in the top
> screen can (not always) lose focus and you cant do anything except pull
> the battery (doesnt recognise finger/stylus).

In Debian I use auxlaunch for switching between windows.  This is
triggered by the AUX button and so is pretty reliable.  Could you use
that (or a similar approach) to solve this focus problem?

> ?Another is hearing the
> other end, but they cant hear you - also happens randomly.

OK.  (I haven't experienced this one yet.)

> There is a lot going on when a call comes in so its not only audio
> player latency but enabling the audio path, setting up alsa, handling
> the call itself, starting the caller application, ... ?And in amongst
> that it has to play the audio as well. ?Currently this isnt too bad for
> me when I set ring only (no vibe) and use the debugfs hack.

With both ring and vibe there is a very obvious delay - I'd guess 1 or
2 seconds - between when the vibe starts and when the ringtone starts.

As you say, there's a lot going on when a call comes in - another
reason IMO for making the ringtone part as simple as possible at that
time.

Regards,
      Neil


From billk at iinet.net.au  Sat Jan  2 14:00:57 2010
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:00:57 +0800
Subject: Ringtone volume and latency
In-Reply-To: <49dd78621001020427y29d71655v1bcb3c8bfa0b5cfd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49dd78621001011724p41f8d7c9ka276d0f98ab7ec11@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262402849.11618.139.camel@rattus>
	<49dd78621001020427y29d71655v1bcb3c8bfa0b5cfd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1262437257.11618.146.camel@rattus>

On Sat, 2010-01-02 at 12:27 +0000, Neil Jerram wrote:
> 2010/1/2 William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:
> >
> > Just a couple of thoughts - missing calls is rarely to do with volume
> > and not hearing the ring (I have changed the standard tones though), and
> > more to do with crashes.
> 
> Ah, OK, I didn't realise that.  (I don't yet get enough incoming
> mobile calls to have a significant sample.)
> 
> Still, the CPU needed to decode Ogg (or another compressed audio
> format) could be contributing to that.
> 
> > One of the most annoying is using tangogps
> > full screen (or any other app full screen) and a call comes in the top
> > screen can (not always) lose focus and you cant do anything except pull
> > the battery (doesnt recognise finger/stylus).
> 
> In Debian I use auxlaunch for switching between windows.  This is
> triggered by the AUX button and so is pretty reliable.  Could you use
> that (or a similar approach) to solve this focus problem?
> 
Tried to use the power button kill - but it doesnt work.  When it
happens to gpe-calendar, I am able to ssh in and kill it which gets
focus back, but have not had ssh available on an affected call yet - not
sure what to kill and keep the tho.

> >  Another is hearing the
> > other end, but they cant hear you - also happens randomly.
> 
> OK.  (I haven't experienced this one yet.)
> 
> > There is a lot going on when a call comes in so its not only audio
> > player latency but enabling the audio path, setting up alsa, handling
> > the call itself, starting the caller application, ...  And in amongst
> > that it has to play the audio as well.  Currently this isnt too bad for
> > me when I set ring only (no vibe) and use the debugfs hack.
> 
> With both ring and vibe there is a very obvious delay - I'd guess 1 or
> 2 seconds - between when the vibe starts and when the ringtone starts.
> 
> As you say, there's a lot going on when a call comes in - another
> reason IMO for making the ringtone part as simple as possible at that
> time.
> 
> Regards,
>       Neil

True - every bit counts - and another cause of lost calls that happened
to me recently - " ... this is a really bad line, I'll hang up and call
you later  [CLICK!]" :(

BillK







From mickey at vanille-media.de  Sat Jan  2 14:31:22 2010
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:31:22 +0100
Subject: Happy New Year from FSO
Message-ID: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda>

In the name of the FSO team, I wish all of you a Happy New Year!

2009 was a turbulent year for us, the year where Openmoko stopped
supporting us and we had to show our belief in the project by just
continuing with as much effort as possible. Thanks to all contributors
and users of our APIs.

2010 will be a very critical year for FSO, perhaps the most critical
ever -- since it's going to show whether we dive into oblivion being
overrun by the "big guys", or whether we can establish and strengthen
our niche.

Middleware always has this problem of invisibility -- what people
recognize are applications, not so much the driving software layers
below. In order to be a bit more visible, I'd like all of you who are
using FSO to join Ohloh[1] and state that you are either a contributor
and/or using FSO.

If all goes well, 2010 will be the year where we finally migrate all
remaining FSO services to C (or Vala, to be exact), hence delivering a
significant speedup for your FreeRunner (or whatever device you run FSO
on).

Let me also remind you that we have a PayPal account for donations, and
are also available for contract work. Thanks for your support!

(1) http://www.ohloh.net/p/fso

-- 
:M:



From tanuva at googlemail.com  Sat Jan  2 15:03:34 2010
From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:03:34 +0100
Subject: Freerunner (GTA02v5) for sale
Message-ID: <1262441014.24388.23.camel@d-a318.local>

Moin!

I'm offering a Freerunner from the second batch that came from Taiwan.
It has an InvisibleShield screen protector on - once had the body shield
on, too, but that things not very nice compared to the FR's smooth matte
surface. The device did not receive a buzz fix so far, but on my rare
calls I didn't notice buzzing heavy enough to really annoy me.

The package contains:
- Freerunner GTA02v5 20080619
- Original Battery
- USB-Cable
- Wall charger with both adaptors
- 4GB ?SD card with normal SD adaptor and protective case
- Laser-/LED-Pen
- The most famous Thank-You-Card ever ;)

I'd like to receive 160? (excl. shipping) for it - or best offer.

--
Marcel



From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Sat Jan  2 15:34:07 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 14:34:07 +0000
Subject: Happy New Year from FSO
In-Reply-To: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda>
References: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda>
Message-ID: <49dd78621001020634q196f4140l929c613c4461323c@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/2 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <mickey at vanille-media.de>:
> In the name of the FSO team, I wish all of you a Happy New Year!

Happy New Year to you too, and thanks for all your work on FSO!

And Happy New Year to all list readers!

Best wishes,
      Neil


From wolfgang at sharism.cc  Sat Jan  2 15:41:34 2010
From: wolfgang at sharism.cc (Wolfgang Spraul)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 09:41:34 -0500
Subject: Happy New Year from FSO
In-Reply-To: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda>
References: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda>
Message-ID: <20100102144134.GA2843@debian>

Mickey,
congratulations for taking FSO this far and all the best and some good
luck in 2010!
Wolfgang

On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 02:31:22PM +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> In the name of the FSO team, I wish all of you a Happy New Year!
> 
> 2009 was a turbulent year for us, the year where Openmoko stopped
> supporting us and we had to show our belief in the project by just
> continuing with as much effort as possible. Thanks to all contributors
> and users of our APIs.
> 
> 2010 will be a very critical year for FSO, perhaps the most critical
> ever -- since it's going to show whether we dive into oblivion being
> overrun by the "big guys", or whether we can establish and strengthen
> our niche.
> 
> Middleware always has this problem of invisibility -- what people
> recognize are applications, not so much the driving software layers
> below. In order to be a bit more visible, I'd like all of you who are
> using FSO to join Ohloh[1] and state that you are either a contributor
> and/or using FSO.
> 
> If all goes well, 2010 will be the year where we finally migrate all
> remaining FSO services to C (or Vala, to be exact), hence delivering a
> significant speedup for your FreeRunner (or whatever device you run FSO
> on).
> 
> Let me also remind you that we have a PayPal account for donations, and
> are also available for contract work. Thanks for your support!
> 
> (1) http://www.ohloh.net/p/fso
> 
> -- 
> :M:
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 15:51:17 2010
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:51:17 +0100
Subject: Happy New Year from FSO
In-Reply-To: <20100102144134.GA2843@debian>
References: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda> <20100102144134.GA2843@debian>
Message-ID: <26fea52c1001020651w41704049l1847a9d5470300cb@mail.gmail.com>

keep up the good work and good luck!
happy new year
y

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Wolfgang Spraul <wolfgang at sharism.cc> wrote:

> Mickey,
> congratulations for taking FSO this far and all the best and some good
> luck in 2010!
> Wolfgang
>
> On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 02:31:22PM +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> > In the name of the FSO team, I wish all of you a Happy New Year!
> >
> > 2009 was a turbulent year for us, the year where Openmoko stopped
> > supporting us and we had to show our belief in the project by just
> > continuing with as much effort as possible. Thanks to all contributors
> > and users of our APIs.
> >
> > 2010 will be a very critical year for FSO, perhaps the most critical
> > ever -- since it's going to show whether we dive into oblivion being
> > overrun by the "big guys", or whether we can establish and strengthen
> > our niche.
> >
> > Middleware always has this problem of invisibility -- what people
> > recognize are applications, not so much the driving software layers
> > below. In order to be a bit more visible, I'd like all of you who are
> > using FSO to join Ohloh[1] and state that you are either a contributor
> > and/or using FSO.
> >
> > If all goes well, 2010 will be the year where we finally migrate all
> > remaining FSO services to C (or Vala, to be exact), hence delivering a
> > significant speedup for your FreeRunner (or whatever device you run FSO
> > on).
> >
> > Let me also remind you that we have a PayPal account for donations, and
> > are also available for contract work. Thanks for your support!
> >
> > (1) http://www.ohloh.net/p/fso
> >
> > --
> > :M:
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
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From hns at computer.org  Sat Jan  2 15:57:22 2010
From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:57:22 +0100
Subject: Happy new Year from Golden Delicious Computers
Message-ID: <020602E1-9E63-43B8-9834-7C5A1D68F4FA@computer.org>

in the name of the team behind Golden Delicious Computers,
I want to wish you all a Happy New Year and say thank you to those who  
bought a Freerunner in our shop last year.

The last year was quite interesting. MWe have seen many changes (to  
the positive and negative):
* April: Openmoko had to lay off their developers so there will be no  
GTA03 from them
* April: A new project GTA02-core was born to fill the gap and there  
has been a lot of progress
* June: we had invested a lot of work and efforts to make the Buzz-  
and #1024 rework service available
* July: we organized an Openmoko workshop where Mickey Lauer did a  
very good job in explaining how FSO works
* September: it turns out that SHR and FSO become the mainstream  
components for the Freerunner-Software, although other projects are  
also active. So we continue to have choice.
* October: nevertheless, Openmoko continues to produce GTA02A7  
(Freerunner) devices and we continue to sell them
* Feb-Dec: we have had a handful of Openmoko-Stammtisch-Meetings at  
Munich where it turned out how many Openmoko (and most of them also  
Zaurus) fans are still active.

So we will continue to promote the Openmoko idea i.e. a provider- 
independent and really open smartphone platform.

Let's see by December how we will have been able to surprise you this  
year.

Nikolaus

PS: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner
PPS: please note that our target is not to sell as cheap as possible  
but push some money into future oriented projects




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From rusolis at poczta.fm  Sat Jan  2 16:03:54 2010
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:03:54 +0100
Subject: literki update
In-Reply-To: <f8d5d4f30912270912v68eefbb4u2f4dd71f80c78f13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b48b1570912240223h9018719o9a997b526a8be24d@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b48b1570912270153l2c9b37a9ie957da19845955fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<49dd78620912270320j5fcd55c8s3c3841c42e0db366@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8d5d4f30912270912v68eefbb4u2f4dd71f80c78f13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b48b1571001020703j5019750bk2bb849df08475111@mail.gmail.com>

2009/12/27 jeremy jozwik <jerjoz.forums at gmail.com>

>
> honestly michal, im on of your faithful followers of this fantastic
> program but i really dont know why you switched for the opaque /
> transparent switchable keyboard to one that is only transparent.
>
> im still slumming it with version 0.1 for that reason. i hardly ever
> use the transparent feature.
> and i think the opaque looks much nicer. if there were a way to change
> the font size in 0.1 in opaque mode that would be amazing.
>
>
>
Hi Jeremy,

Thanks for the input. I'll try to reintroduce the opaque mode feature, but
don't hold your breath. After I added the new larger font, I thought opaque
mode wasn't needed anymore.

So why exactly don't you like transparent mode? Is it not visible enough or
too slow? Have you tried using it for a while (the 0.2 version) to see if
you get used to it?

Michal
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From vanous at penguin.cz  Sat Jan  2 16:36:24 2010
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:36:24 +0100
Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100102163624.32abebdf@vanek.robe.cz>

Hi Risto,

what would be your answers?

Here is a quick sum up of the answers. Including answers from shr-user
list as well:

responded 81

>Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

Yes 55, No 26

>Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

Yes 58, No 23

>What distribution you run most of the time?

(some gave more then 1 distro, max 2 were counted)

SHR 63
QTMoko 10
Debian 6
H:1 4
Gentoo 2
Android 2
om2008 2

Kind Regards
Petr



From risto at kurppa.fi  Sat Jan  2 16:48:14 2010
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:48:14 +0200
Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d3e504411001020748m1c9c396eld9bdffc071193c7b@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa <risto at kurppa.fi> wrote:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

Yes

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

Yes (GPS and GPRS&IRC, for other tasks I use my eeepc)

> What distribution you run most of the time?

SHR-testing

> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?

I had to go back to my wife's old Nokia but after #1024 fix
(http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2009/12/fixing-openmoko-hardware-bug-1024/)
I upgraded to latest SHR-testing and got many issues fixed (battery
life and audio quality improved a lot).

> Thank you :)

Thank you :)


-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From risto at kurppa.fi  Sat Jan  2 16:48:48 2010
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:48:48 +0200
Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <20100102163624.32abebdf@vanek.robe.cz>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20100102163624.32abebdf@vanek.robe.cz>
Message-ID: <d3e504411001020748r5e489000nebac2e187a8cef9c@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Petr Vanek <vanous at penguin.cz> wrote:
> Hi Risto,
>
> what would be your answers?
>
> Here is a quick sum up of the answers. Including answers from shr-user
> list as well:
>
> responded 81
>
>>Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
>
> Yes 55, No 26
>
>>Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>
> Yes 58, No 23
>
>>What distribution you run most of the time?
>
> (some gave more then 1 distro, max 2 were counted)
>
> SHR 63
> QTMoko 10
> Debian 6
> H:1 4
> Gentoo 2
> Android 2
> om2008 2
>
> Kind Regards
> Petr

Wow, thanks for this summary!!


r



-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 16:55:41 2010
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 16:55:41 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <c30e08171001020753t3794bcaci5bcf5cd7fe212c81@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1262248305.4491.199.camel@ESP-PATBEN-LIN>
	<d3e504411001020449q31beb66by56ee105639c56833@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4B3F4209.6050402@users.sourceforge.net>
	<20100102140754.679f3f22@vanek.robe.cz> 
	<c30e08171001020744u483270e3u6caf78dc4202fd1e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<c30e08171001020753t3794bcaci5bcf5cd7fe212c81@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c30e08171001020755k252a5dadi6175f51ae4340dbf@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 16:44, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
<seba.dos1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 14:07, Petr Vanek <vanous at penguin.cz> wrote:
>> P> Perhaps some remaining users and developers
>> P> from others FreeRunner distributions will be persuaded by the result
>> P> to also migrate to SHR.
>>
>> and that would be a good thing? not sure everybody would want to reboot
>> everytime after gprs usage [1] and not have sent sms storage [2],[3]...
>>
>> Petr
>>
>> [1] http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/474
>> [2] http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/231
>> [3] http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/386
>
> WTF? Sent sms storage is implemented for quite long time... They are
> just displayed together with incoming ones, as there is no different
> view for sent messages yet.
>
> And thanks for reminding us about 386, it probably should be closed now :)

Ok, looked at that ticket more carefully and edited it. But still, it
doesn't make your point valid ;)

And that strange GPRS issue (which is even more strange to me, because
I never had that on my FR :x) is going to be resolved soon with
ogsmd->fsogsmd transition (which is also going to give us nice
performance boost)

(But I don't think it's good to have everyone using one distro. Of
course as SHR developer I would like more users, but as free software
developer in general I think it's really important to have choice. And
to not spread FUD :P)

--
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
dos


From sean at openmoko.com  Sat Jan  2 18:41:57 2010
From: sean at openmoko.com (Sean Moss-Pultz)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 09:41:57 -0800
Subject: distribution
Message-ID: <6cfff7041001020941m77d7e884k7b57670ddbfc8497@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Community!

With much delay on my part, we've finally got around to properly
handling FreeRunner distribution:

   http://www.openmoko.com/freerunner.html

Anyone that is not on that list, and purchased FreeRunners for
distribution within the last six months, should email
sales at openmoko.com. We want you on our list.

Finally, I would like to send a personal thanks to Pulster and Tuxbrain for
their comments and concerns. And Kosa and David (leviathan) for the
generous offers to help.

Happy New Year all!

 -Sean


From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Sat Jan  2 19:08:37 2010
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-1?q?R=FCb?=)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 19:08:37 +0100
Subject: pimlico dates with multiple calendars
Message-ID: <201001021908.38068.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

Hi,

is it possible to use more calendars (i.e. ics files) in pimlico dates?

Cheers,
 Christian


From vanous at penguin.cz  Sat Jan  2 19:33:54 2010
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 19:33:54 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262248305.4491.199.camel@ESP-PATBEN-LIN>
	<d3e504411001020449q31beb66by56ee105639c56833@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3F4209.6050402@users.sourceforge.net>
	<20100102140754.679f3f22@vanek.robe.cz>
	<c30e08171001020744u483270e3u6caf78dc4202fd1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08171001020753t3794bcaci5bcf5cd7fe212c81@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08171001020755k252a5dadi6175f51ae4340dbf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100102193354.0de23617@vanek.robe.cz>

>> WTF? 

Not necessary here IMHO.

>>Sent sms storage is implemented for quite long time... They are
>> just displayed together with incoming ones, as there is no different
>> view for sent messages yet.
>>
>> And thanks for reminding us about 386, it probably should be closed
>> now :)

thanks for reopening the bug for the missing view. i am testing this
now and for some reason i can receive sms from other people, i can also
send sms and yes, can see them in the inbox (great, thank you) but when
sending sms to myself, never seem to receive (or perhaps just see?) the
message in inbox. this led me to the conclusion sent messages are not
saved because for a message from me to me i can see just one message
and not two. this is on shr-u, upgraded today.

>And that strange GPRS issue (which is even more strange to me, because
>I never had that on my FR :x) is going to be resolved soon with
>ogsmd->fsogsmd transition (which is also going to give us nice
>performance boost)

just because you never had it does not mean it doesn't exist. i know
about the ogsmd->fsogsmd transition and am eagerly waiting for it,
holding by breath and wishing Mickey will manage to have it done before
jumping to his other duties.

strangely enough, i didn't have the GPRS issue for some time before
Christmas, now it bites every time i use gprs.

> And >to not spread FUD :P)

looking at the tickets (reopened and existing), i am aware of being
constructively critical but not FUD spreading.

cheers

Petr 



From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 19:36:28 2010
From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 10:36:28 -0800
Subject: literki update
In-Reply-To: <8b48b1571001020703j5019750bk2bb849df08475111@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b48b1570912240223h9018719o9a997b526a8be24d@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b48b1570912270153l2c9b37a9ie957da19845955fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<49dd78620912270320j5fcd55c8s3c3841c42e0db366@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8d5d4f30912270912v68eefbb4u2f4dd71f80c78f13@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b48b1571001020703j5019750bk2bb849df08475111@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f8d5d4f31001021036u56fd826eybe26de4846c4ec8f@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Michal Brzozowski <rusolis at poczta.fm> wrote:
> So why exactly don't you like transparent mode? Is it not visible enough or
> too slow? Have you tried using it for a while (the 0.2 version) to see if
> you get used to it?

yes i have had 0.2 install for a while. and the lack of vibrate was
what i missed the most. the missing opaque mode sealed the deal for me
dropping back.
more or less its just more visually frustrating to me. and i cannot
really read anything below the letters anyhow so might as well put it
to a mode where the letters are highly visible.
and with a black and white text/background combo they are very
visible.   if i ever need to see something that is hidden under the
keyboard i just used the moved keyboard up and down keys.

though the real hotness would be to just have one key [mode key] that
lets you drag the keyboard around with your finger!


From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 19:45:04 2010
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 19:45:04 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <20100102193354.0de23617@vanek.robe.cz>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1262248305.4491.199.camel@ESP-PATBEN-LIN>
	<d3e504411001020449q31beb66by56ee105639c56833@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4B3F4209.6050402@users.sourceforge.net>
	<20100102140754.679f3f22@vanek.robe.cz> 
	<c30e08171001020744u483270e3u6caf78dc4202fd1e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<c30e08171001020753t3794bcaci5bcf5cd7fe212c81@mail.gmail.com> 
	<c30e08171001020755k252a5dadi6175f51ae4340dbf@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20100102193354.0de23617@vanek.robe.cz>
Message-ID: <c30e08171001021045q49331615he78fc5a8b9276eb9@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 19:33, Petr Vanek <vanous at penguin.cz> wrote:
>>> WTF?
>
> Not necessary here IMHO.

Sorry, I'm not native speaker, so this doesn't have such strong
meaning for me, maybe WTH could be better ;)

>>>Sent sms storage is implemented for quite long time... They are
>>> just displayed together with incoming ones, as there is no different
>>> view for sent messages yet.
>>>
>>> And thanks for reminding us about 386, it probably should be closed
>>> now :)
>
> thanks for reopening the bug for the missing view. i am testing this
> now and for some reason i can receive sms from other people, i can also
> send sms and yes, can see them in the inbox (great, thank you) but when
> sending sms to myself, never seem to receive (or perhaps just see?) the
> message in inbox. this led me to the conclusion sent messages are not
> saved because for a message from me to me i can see just one message
> and not two. this is on shr-u, upgraded today.

That can be bug then, I'll try to check it (I'm sure it doesn't happen
when sending from opimd-utils)

>>And that strange GPRS issue (which is even more strange to me, because
>>I never had that on my FR :x) is going to be resolved soon with
>>ogsmd->fsogsmd transition (which is also going to give us nice
>>performance boost)
>
> just because you never had it does not mean it doesn't exist. i know

I perfectly know that, read again what I wrote and don't worry :P

> about the ogsmd->fsogsmd transition and am eagerly waiting for it,
> holding by breath and wishing Mickey will manage to have it done before
> jumping to his other duties.
>
> strangely enough, i didn't have the GPRS issue for some time before
> Christmas, now it bites every time i use gprs.
>
>> And >to not spread FUD :P)
>
> looking at the tickets (reopened and existing), i am aware of being
> constructively critical but not FUD spreading.

Well, both of SHR tickets you mentioned were closed when you wrote
that mail. One of them I reopened after I read it, but due to other
reasons than mentioned in your mail (as I removed storing sent
messages and also few other already implemented things from this
ticket). Maybe, again, FUD is too strong wording, but still your point
wasn't valid ;)

> cheers
>
> Petr

-- 
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
dos


From mok at mnet-online.de  Sat Jan  2 21:04:52 2010
From: mok at mnet-online.de (Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 21:04:52 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100102200452.GA24961@mrdenker.palutemo>

On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Risto H. Kurppa wrote:

> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
yes
yes

> What distribution you run most of the time?

> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?
SHR unstable


> Thank you :)


> r
-- 
Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann


From ba1020 at homie.homelinux.net  Sat Jan  2 21:13:47 2010
From: ba1020 at homie.homelinux.net (Juergen Schinker)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:13:47 +0000
Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B3FA8FB.3090405@homie.homelinux.net>

Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
> 
> What distribution you run most of the time?

Yes since 26c3
Yes
H:1



From helge.hafting at hist.no  Sat Jan  2 22:30:01 2010
From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:30:01 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3CEB64.7010004@sapo.pt>
	<CF93CF976A70DD40A48C64F5D4141E341BAD4A@EX-VS01.ad.hist.no>
	<4B3F3E8C.6040707@sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <CF93CF976A70DD40A48C64F5D4141E341BAD4C@EX-VS01.ad.hist.no>

>
>	>Does anyone else have trouble doing opkg ugrade over gprs? mine hangs
>	>after a bit.
>	I never tried that - but make sure the thing doesn't suspend.
>	
>
> The problem happens somewhere between the wget application and the kernel stack.
> It shows up with larger files being downloaded. Not too large, a few dozen kB is enough.
> When I see it happening,  I repeat the wget download that opkg was trying to do, and I can see that wget is 
> actually in "stalled" state after the first kB. If I retry the download with the "continue" option, it 
> eventually downloads the whole file, retry after retry, chunk by chunk.
> This only happens with GPRS, so I assume it is related to kernel or pppd or around this...

Have you tried a different kernel? The kernel is in a separate flash, so upgrading the root filesystem
doesn't change the kernel, it must be installed separately. It could help - if it is a kernel problem.

If nothing helps, consider trying a different phone company. The problem could be there too.

Helge Hafting



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From ole-om-community-2008 at mail.plastictree.net  Sun Jan  3 00:38:28 2010
From: ole-om-community-2008 at mail.plastictree.net (Ole Kliemann)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 23:38:28 +0000
Subject: [SHR] QVGA and WSOD
In-Reply-To: <20091230133108.GB3627@telvanni.starfleet>
References: <20091230133108.GB3627@telvanni.starfleet>
Message-ID: <20100102233828.GA3648@telvanni.starfleet>

I figured it out this far:

The problem is independent of X. If you stop the Xserver and do

	# echo "qvga-normal" > /sys/bus/spi/devices/spi2.0/state
	# fbset 240x320

with /etc/fb.modes as follows

	mode "240x320"
		geometry 240 320 240 320 16
		timings 100000 8 88 2 2 8 2
	endmode

then there is a high probability that the screen will fade to WSOD. This
is on latest shr-unstable. 

If I flash this kernel [1] from September, keeping the rootfs at latest
shr-unstable, the problem does not occur. 

You can then start X and have 240x320 resolution, suspend works without
problems.  Just there are still some horizontal stripe like from bad
timings. What could be the right timings?

I have so far encounter no problems from using the older kernel.

[1] http://buildhost.shr-project.org/shr-obsolete/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119844+a3587e4ed77974adfb057af261aaeea4022018e8-r3.5-om-gta02.bin 
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From vanous at penguin.cz  Sat Jan  2 23:01:11 2010
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 23:01:11 +0100
Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262248305.4491.199.camel@ESP-PATBEN-LIN>
	<d3e504411001020449q31beb66by56ee105639c56833@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3F4209.6050402@users.sourceforge.net>
	<20100102140754.679f3f22@vanek.robe.cz>
	<c30e08171001020744u483270e3u6caf78dc4202fd1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08171001020753t3794bcaci5bcf5cd7fe212c81@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08171001020755k252a5dadi6175f51ae4340dbf@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100102193354.0de23617@vanek.robe.cz>
	<c30e08171001021045q49331615he78fc5a8b9276eb9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100102230111.637a5de8@vanek.robe.cz>

>That can be bug then, I'll try to check it (I'm sure it doesn't happen
>when sending from opimd-utils)

hmm, all my test sms messages to myself eventually arrived during the
evening*. i haven't heard notify (but the phone was tucked in my
pocket), so most probably not a fr bug unless somewhere deep in
framework-calypso communication causing some delays in receiving. but
the GSM signal here is quite weak so who knows...

* hey, that storage is great, now only the sent view is missing :))

cheers
Petr



From cedric.berger74 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 00:14:07 2010
From: cedric.berger74 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E9dric_Berger?=)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 00:14:07 +0100
Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bff0f0571001021514jd24ea70p773053c993b16ee6@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 21:30, Risto H. Kurppa <risto at kurppa.fi> wrote:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
Not anymore

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
No

> What distribution you run most of the time?
Android

> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?
HTC Magic (Android)
because it works....
and brings some freedom anyway


From nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com  Sun Jan  3 01:40:39 2010
From: nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com (Niels Heyvaert)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 00:40:39 +0000
Subject: [Android] Android Cupcake V22 installer-image
In-Reply-To: <a1951fe20912311015s34cabbecxc9e82e5381fd7b58@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262165723419-4231575.post@n2.nabble.com>,
	<1262259478.4491.206.camel@ESP-PATBEN-LIN>,
	<1262280843063-4237168.post@n2.nabble.com>,
	<a1951fe20912311015s34cabbecxc9e82e5381fd7b58@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT127-W30DBD20D4785C137CDEA04B2750@phx.gbl>


>daniel.l.staley at gmail.com>Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:15:38 -0500>To: community at lists.openmoko.org>Subject: Re: [Android] Android Cupcake V22 installer-image>>However, it seems that the LEDs don't turn off when they should...is anyone else experiencing this?You could consider asking your question to the Android on Freerunner community at http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunnerNiels. 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
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From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 02:28:47 2010
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 02:28:47 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <CF93CF976A70DD40A48C64F5D4141E341BAD4C@EX-VS01.ad.hist.no>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3CEB64.7010004@sapo.pt>
	<CF93CF976A70DD40A48C64F5D4141E341BAD4A@EX-VS01.ad.hist.no>
	<4B3F3E8C.6040707@sapo.pt>
	<CF93CF976A70DD40A48C64F5D4141E341BAD4C@EX-VS01.ad.hist.no>
Message-ID: <c30e08171001021728n27b7b9d9rff557a3067356059@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/2/10, Helge Hafting <helge.hafting at hist.no> wrote:
>>
>>	>Does anyone else have trouble doing opkg ugrade over gprs? mine hangs
>>	>after a bit.
>>	I never tried that - but make sure the thing doesn't suspend.
>>	
>>
>> The problem happens somewhere between the wget application and the kernel
>> stack.
>> It shows up with larger files being downloaded. Not too large, a few dozen
>> kB is enough.
>> When I see it happening,  I repeat the wget download that opkg was trying
>> to do, and I can see that wget is
>> actually in "stalled" state after the first kB. If I retry the download
>> with the "continue" option, it
>> eventually downloads the whole file, retry after retry, chunk by chunk.
>> This only happens with GPRS, so I assume it is related to kernel or pppd
>> or around this...
>
> Have you tried a different kernel? The kernel is in a separate flash, so
> upgrading the root filesystem
> doesn't change the kernel, it must be installed separately. It could help -
> if it is a kernel problem.
>
> If nothing helps, consider trying a different phone company. The problem
> could be there too.
>
> Helge Hafting

AFAIR there was some problem like that with GSM firmware. Do you have
it upgraded?

-- 
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
dos


From methril at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 03:55:29 2010
From: methril at gmail.com (Rafael Campos)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 03:55:29 +0100
Subject: Happy New Year from FSO
In-Reply-To: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda>
References: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda>
Message-ID: <b84dee3a1001021855x2876b060u562cde7463370ce6@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
<mickey at vanille-media.de> wrote:
> In the name of the FSO team, I wish all of you a Happy New Year!
>
Happy New Year too
> 2009 was a turbulent year for us, the year where Openmoko stopped
> supporting us and we had to show our belief in the project by just
> continuing with as much effort as possible. Thanks to all contributors
> and users of our APIs.
>
> 2010 will be a very critical year for FSO, perhaps the most critical
> ever -- since it's going to show whether we dive into oblivion being
> overrun by the "big guys", or whether we can establish and strengthen
> our niche.
>
> Middleware always has this problem of invisibility -- what people
> recognize are applications, not so much the driving software layers
> below. In order to be a bit more visible, I'd like all of you who are
> using FSO to join Ohloh[1] and state that you are either a contributor
> and/or using FSO.
>
> If all goes well, 2010 will be the year where we finally migrate all
> remaining FSO services to C (or Vala, to be exact), hence delivering a
> significant speedup for your FreeRunner (or whatever device you run FSO
> on).
>
I hope FSO becomes the telephony middleware in Linux, just because is
a re-design and comes with other approach than older ones.
> Let me also remind you that we have a PayPal account for donations, and
> are also available for contract work. Thanks for your support!
>
> (1) http://www.ohloh.net/p/fso
>
> --
> :M:
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Smartphones-userland mailing list
> Smartphones-userland at linuxtogo.org
> http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
>



-- 
___________
Rafael Campos
o0 Methril 0o
http://openblog.methril.net/


From rtm at cfa.harvard.edu  Sun Jan  3 07:10:39 2010
From: rtm at cfa.harvard.edu (Ken Young)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 01:10:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.1001022314340.8742@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu>

>Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

Not anymore.   I did for several months.

>Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

Yes, I still find it to be a wonderfully fun GPS-enabled PDA.   I just
got an N900, and I was quite surprised to find that the Freerunner's
display is nicer.   The N900 has 25% more pixels, but the Freerunner's
display is brighter, and seems to have higher contrast.

>What distribution you run most of the time?

SHR-u

My two cents:   If I were dictator of the gta02-core team (instead of
someone who doesn't even contribute), I would repurpose the device as a
GPS PDA.   I would remove all the radio components except for the WiFi,
and try to optimize for the longest battery life possible.

Those of us who have been following the Openmoko phones since before the
release of the gta01 will remember that Sean Moss-Pultz use to give
presentations in which one of the slides said that one of his big itches,
one of the things that lead him to work on a phone, was the desire to be
able to execute

[quote]

     An adaptation of my favorite command in all of computing

root> apt-get install

[end quote]

Many of us read or heard those words and were hooked.  But the cell
phone world has changed dramatically since the introduction of the gta01.

When the gta01 was announced, GPS hardware was quite rare in a phone (the
first generation iPhone didn't have it, for example), and those few phones
which did have it had often been intentionally crippled by the wireless
service providers (at least in the US), so that they could offer
additional-fee location based "services" which were uniformly terrible.
Needless to say, third parties were not encouraged to write GPS enabled
software for those phones.   Today, it goes without saying that any new
smartphone will have GPS, and on many platforms, application developers
have access to the GPS information.

Today, you can buy an N900 from Nokia, and "apt-get install ..." will work
like a charm.   Nokia allows the user to run as root.   Their OS on that
phone is pretty familiar to Debian users.   I know that many of the
critical components on that phone are closed, and that owners are at the
mercy of Nokia's decision as to whether or not to support new kernel
releases, etc.   But on the other side of the equation, the phone works
well now, is 3G-enabled, has a good camera, has an audio system that does
not clip bass frequencies, has USB 2 rather than 1.1, has a much faster
processor, an FM transmitter/receiver, more RAM, GSM quad-band (not tri-band),
etc., ad nausium.   My point is not to be a shill for Nokia (though I'm
sure that's exactly what I sound like), but rather to point out that there
is really no hope at that a group of people such as the gta02-core team,
working part time with no large corporate sponsor, will ever produce a
product with hardware on a par with what the big players are
contemporaneously offering.   That wasn't really as clear when the gta01
was offered.   It had hardware that was better than average in some
respects (GPS, high resolution display), and worse than average in others
(CPU and connectivity).   The gta01 could hold its own against a Treo.
I don't think we'll see an openmoko phone that can hold its own against a
modern smartphone.

In software too, the situation has changed dramatically.  When the gta01
was announced, other smartphones were running terrible OSs like PalmOS,
or early versions of whatever the hell Microsoft was calling Windows
CE that week.  Now there's WebOS, Android, Maemo and OS X availble on
phones, all based on some Unix-like OS.   Are they free?   No.   But they
aren't simply hopeless for multi tasking like PalmOS was.

I'm sure there are people reading this who won't care about that.   The
mere fact that there are many people reading this mailing list who still
care about the Freerunner, even though they don't use it as their "real
phone" is a testiment to the loyalty of the openmoko community, and how
much we all wanted the Freerunner to succeed.   If a gta02-core or gta03
phone is ever offered for sale to the general public, I'll buy one.   But
I don't think there is any chance at all that such a phone will sell even
at the volume the Freerunner did.   And that was not enough to keep
Openmoko Co. in the phone business.    If you read the posts to this list
that were made shortly after the Freerunner went on sale, it's clear that
the phone was bought by some people who really just wanted a high-end
smartphone, and who were not geeks who enjoyed reading about ALSA files on
the wiki site.   The IRC channel was a lively beehive, with participants
of widely varying skills.   If another openmoko phone ever goes on sale, I
predict it will be bought only by the most fanatic FOSS enthusiasts.

In contrast, I think there still might be an unexploited niche in the
GPS-PDA arena.   Everyone knows the Freerunner has excited geocachers,
hikers, bikers, etc.   I don't know of any company such as Garmin or
Magellen offering a GPS unit which is hacker-freindly and linux based.
When you're hiking, you very often can't get a GSM signal anyway, so who
would care if the GPS unit they had was a cell phone too?   What if the
gta03 had no phone hardware, an excellent GPS subsystem, an electronic
paper display, and wonderful battery life?   I think *that* would be a
much more exciting product than any realistically possible gta03 phone,
and a more tractible engineering project too.

Ken Young



From denis.johnson at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 07:43:13 2010
From: denis.johnson at gmail.com (Denis Johnson)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:43:13 +1000
Subject: Happy New Year from FSO
In-Reply-To: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda>
References: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda>
Message-ID: <20607da11001022243l58754fd4lea214b6d6a9b7a5e@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
<mickey at vanille-media.de> wrote:
> In the name of the FSO team, I wish all of you a Happy New Year!

Thanks to you and the rest of the FSO team for what you have achieved
to date and hope 2010 is indeed the year for FSO to prevail and go
from strength to strength.

regards and best for the New Year

Denis


From martin.jansa at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 13:11:52 2010
From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:11:52 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] UBI success story
In-Reply-To: <200912262125.57708.ml@chonyota.net>
References: <200912262125.57708.ml@chonyota.net>
Message-ID: <20100103121152.GF3202@jama>

On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 09:25:57PM +0100, Christoph Mair wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I tried to use SHR the ubi images on my freerunner, but they did not work. 
> Does someone know the parameters which are passed to mkfs.ubifs? I think that 
> the ubi fileystem is created for NAND flashes with subpage support, but this 
> feature does not work on the freerunner. Passing -s 2048 should create a 
> working image (but I did not verify this yet).

Params are in:
http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/conf/machine/om-gta02.conf

MKUBIFS_ARGS = "-m 2048 -e 129024 -c 2047"
for mkfs.ubifs

UBINIZE_ARGS = "-m 2048 -p 128KiB -s 512"
for ubinize

So I don't see param for subpage setting for mkfs.ubifs, its only in ubinize,
but it didn't help for my NAND, even when I prepare ubi volume on neo with 
-s 2048 -O 2048 and then try to updatevol with full image (small image
like initramfs-kexecboot works for me just fine). That's why I didn't
push patch for setting it in UBINIZE_ARGS.

> Using the ubi filesystem on the freerunner is not an easy task. A ubi image 
> can't be flashed using nandwrite. I'm not sure about dfu-util, but probably it 
> uses the same technique as nandwrite and therefore won't work too. I did a 
> manual installation (untar SHR into a mounted ubifs) using archmobile 
> installed on SD. If the SHR ubi image is created with the right parameters 
> ubiformat or ubiupdatevol could be used to install the image. For a easy 
> installation with dfu-util, u-boot would need support for ubi images.
> 
> I used the newest kernel (om-gta02-2.6.32), but a older one should work too.

I had more issues with kernels older than 2.6.32.

> To fix this, we need to tell the kernel that the mtd partition 6 contains a ubi 
> volume which contains the ubifs rootfs: rootfstype=ubifs ubi.mtd=6,2048 
> root=ubi0:rootfs.
> For a "normal" boot qi passes rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 to the 
> kernel. Just changing the boot params within the kernel configuration does not 
> work. Therefore I patched qi :)

Ah great!, thanks

-- 
uin:136542059                jid:Martin.Jansa at gmail.com
Jansa Martin                 sip:jamasip at voip.wengo.fr 
JaMa                         


From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 13:35:16 2010
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:35:16 +0100
Subject: Happy New Year from FSO
In-Reply-To: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda>
References: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc81001030435g174a9db4ve72202183778a477@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
<mickey at vanille-media.de> wrote:
> (or whatever device you run FSO on).

Btw how are going the Palm Pre reverse engineering effort?

Best regards,
 Laszlo


From mickey at vanille-media.de  Sun Jan  3 14:45:39 2010
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:45:39 +0100
Subject: Happy New Year from FSO
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc81001030435g174a9db4ve72202183778a477@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda>
	<c4cd0cc81001030435g174a9db4ve72202183778a477@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1262526339.22868.3.camel@andromeda>

Am Sonntag, den 03.01.2010, 13:35 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS:
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
> <mickey at vanille-media.de> wrote:
> > (or whatever device you run FSO on).
> 
> Btw how are going the Palm Pre reverse engineering effort?

Somewhat disappointing. Although some progress is being made (and we're
still working on it), the modem communication proved to be a complete
show stopper. Apparantly Palm is using one of Qualcomm's binary
protocols, which is very complex to reverse engineer :/

-- 
:M:



From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 15:18:27 2010
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:18:27 +0100
Subject: Happy New Year from FSO
In-Reply-To: <1262526339.22868.3.camel@andromeda>
References: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda>
	<c4cd0cc81001030435g174a9db4ve72202183778a477@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1262526339.22868.3.camel@andromeda>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc81001030618k7cc2fc61mc3a60dfcb05a33db@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
<mickey at vanille-media.de> wrote:
>> > (or whatever device you run FSO on).
>>
>> Btw how are going the Palm Pre reverse engineering effort?
>
> Somewhat disappointing. Although some progress is being made (and we're
> still working on it), the modem communication proved to be a complete
> show stopper. Apparantly Palm is using one of Qualcomm's binary
> protocols, which is very complex to reverse engineer :/

I had asked, because Im waiting to a device to replace my freerunner.
My only requirement is nice audio quality (any mobile phone out there is ok),
I want to run fso on it, and 3G.

I hoped such device surfaces within a year (ie. until 2011) or even Palm Pre
could be this device ...

Best regards,
 Laszlo


From idokan at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 15:34:39 2010
From: idokan at gmail.com (ik)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:34:39 +0200
Subject: expanding openmoko's memory
Message-ID: <dc42cb951001030634h57d5f593q6165d5e2bee5c877@mail.gmail.com>

Hello List,

I've went over the design circuits of om. It seems that there is a memory
bus that is not in use for the SDRAM.
Does a kernel module that will pass the proper bit to a flag can expand the
current memory to 128 Mega ?

If so, why wasn't it made until now for the moko ?
And is there anyone here that already done that ?

Thanks,
Ido

http://ik.homelinux.org/
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From tanuva at googlemail.com  Sun Jan  3 15:42:15 2010
From: tanuva at googlemail.com (Marcel)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:42:15 +0100
Subject: Happy New Year from FSO
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc81001030618k7cc2fc61mc3a60dfcb05a33db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda>
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Am Sonntag, den 03.01.2010, 15:18 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS:
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
> <mickey at vanille-media.de> wrote:
> >> > (or whatever device you run FSO on).
> >>
> >> Btw how are going the Palm Pre reverse engineering effort?
> >
> > Somewhat disappointing. Although some progress is being made (and we're
> > still working on it), the modem communication proved to be a complete
> > show stopper. Apparantly Palm is using one of Qualcomm's binary
> > protocols, which is very complex to reverse engineer :/
> 
> I had asked, because Im waiting to a device to replace my freerunner.
> My only requirement is nice audio quality (any mobile phone out there is ok),
> I want to run fso on it, and 3G.
> 
> I hoped such device surfaces within a year (ie. until 2011) or even Palm Pre
> could be this device ...

What about the Nokia N900? I don't know about the GSM modem, but at
least its got a quite open Linux userspace...
(And I'm really happy with it :D)

--
Marcel



From werner at openmoko.org  Sun Jan  3 15:47:27 2010
From: werner at openmoko.org (Werner Almesberger)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:47:27 -0300
Subject: Whither open hardware ? (was Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using
	your Freerunner?)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.1001022314340.8742@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.1001022314340.8742@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <20100103144727.GA4240@almesberger.net>

Ken Young wrote:
> My two cents:   If I were dictator of the gta02-core team (instead of
> someone who doesn't even contribute), I would repurpose the device as a
> GPS PDA.   I would remove all the radio components except for the WiFi,
> and try to optimize for the longest battery life possible.

Companies who were looking for a device for some project often asked
Openmoko Inc. if they could have a GTA02 with some features removed
or with other - often small - changes. Unfortunately, Openmoko Inc.
did not have the resources for making such derivatives.

However, this is a promise the approach chosen for gta02-core holds:
with the whole design out in the open (Open Design Hardware [1]),
anyone can independently define, implement, and produce derivatives.

[1] http://people.openmoko.org/werner/openness/odhwdr-v1.pdf

This doesn't mean that everyone is forced to fight all alone. To the
contrary, there are many possible synergies along the way that are
not visible as such in the traditional product development process,
such as shared sourcing or shared manufacturing.

For example, if you want to make your GPS PDA, you may choose a set
of changes that fits your budget, e.g., by staying with the overall
platform and physical shape but removing subsystems you don't need.

When it then comes to sourcing components and manufacturing, the
same facilities used for making the phone could offer their services
also to your project. The incremental cost for them would be very
small, much smaller than running a completely different product of
similar complexity.

Also the "core company" (or whatever form of organization) in charge
of the base design would benefit. If it has spare engineering
resources to put into derivative projects, it can choose to do so,
favouring projects that best suit its agenda.

If not, others can help out. Thus, the business opportunity is not
wasted - it only goes to someone else you could think of as an ally.
Even better, resources that can be shared contribute back to the
whole ensemble of projects. E.g., if your PDA is wildly successful,
sourcing may be able to get much getter conditions for parts than
they did with just the phone. Or a new type of subsystem gets
researched and is then available as a possible building block for
the entire architectural family. Thus also the phone benefits.

Now some may say that this is crazy and that anyone handing out
designs so liberally would be robbed by competitors. In my
experience, it's surprisingly hard to get people to "steal" your
cool new ideas. Eventually, the thieves and parasites will show up,
but you have to be successful for an awfully long time before they
even notice you.

> [...] but rather to point out that there
> is really no hope at that a group of people such as the gta02-core team,
> working part time with no large corporate sponsor, will ever produce a
> product with hardware on a par with what the big players are
> contemporaneously offering.

I agree on the point that there's no hope to mass-produce a phone
without suitable resources. The resources don't have to be in one
hand (e.g., you could have a consortium of entities each
contributing their own capabilities and splitting the proceeds),
but they have to be available.

However, I don't think it's necessary to compete on leading edge
technology. Often enough, less advanced components will yield an
equally satisfying product. Besides, companies that don't have the
sexiest product in their sector of the market are often much
friendlier towards openness than those who do.

Please don't take the poor performance of GTA01 or GTA02 as too much
of an indicator of what "second best" can do. Both are based on very
conservative designs (e.g., no DDR) and GTA02 has two thirds of its
high-throughput peripherals share an incredibly slow bus.

(Think of a first-generation PCI-based PC where someone chooses to
use ISA cards for video and the SCSI controller. Would such a system
properly represent the typical performance of the PCI architecture ?)

The 2442 is now about five years old, and it shows all over the
place. In an updated but similar design, unlike gta02-core suitable
for mass-production, I would use something like the 2450, which has
high-speed USB, 2D acceleration, and other goodies.

> In contrast, I think there still might be an unexploited niche in the
> GPS-PDA arena.

I think there is a whole universe full of unexplored niches. It's
hidden from us by a tall wall called "high cost of entry". If we can
find ways to lower that wall, a lot of interesting things should
happen.

- Werner


From mickey at vanille-media.de  Sun Jan  3 16:12:13 2010
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:12:13 +0100
Subject: Happy New Year from FSO
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc81001030618k7cc2fc61mc3a60dfcb05a33db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda>
	<c4cd0cc81001030435g174a9db4ve72202183778a477@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262526339.22868.3.camel@andromeda>
	<c4cd0cc81001030618k7cc2fc61mc3a60dfcb05a33db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1262531533.2920.2.camel@opal>

Am Sonntag, den 03.01.2010, 15:18 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS:
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
> <mickey at vanille-media.de> wrote:
> >> > (or whatever device you run FSO on).
> >>
> >> Btw how are going the Palm Pre reverse engineering effort?
> >
> > Somewhat disappointing. Although some progress is being made (and we're
> > still working on it), the modem communication proved to be a complete
> > show stopper. Apparantly Palm is using one of Qualcomm's binary
> > protocols, which is very complex to reverse engineer :/
> 
> I had asked, because Im waiting to a device to replace my freerunner.
> My only requirement is nice audio quality (any mobile phone out there is ok),
> I want to run fso on it, and 3G.
> 
> I hoped such device surfaces within a year (ie. until 2011) or even Palm Pre
> could be this device ...

There is still hope. I like the form factor of the Palm Pre very much.
If we get access to the modem, the rest should be relatively simple.

:M:




From mickey at vanille-media.de  Sun Jan  3 16:32:25 2010
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:32:25 +0100
Subject: Happy New Year from FSO
In-Reply-To: <1262529735.24388.54.camel@d-a318.local>
References: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda>
	<c4cd0cc81001030435g174a9db4ve72202183778a477@mail.gmail.com>
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Am Sonntag, den 03.01.2010, 15:42 +0100 schrieb Marcel:
> What about the Nokia N900? I don't know about the GSM modem, but at
> least its got a quite open Linux userspace...

AFAIK we can't even charge the battery N900 with FOSS, so I'd say
there's a whole set of different showstoppers lurking when attempting to
bring a free OS to the N900. The modem itself is using a binary protocol
as well, as opposed to the Palm Pre though it seems to be somewhat
documented.

Unfortunately this time I didn't seem to be eligible for a Nokia
developer discount, that's pretty much the reason why I don't have a
N900.

:M:




From mike at mikecrash.com  Sun Jan  3 18:40:41 2010
From: mike at mikecrash.com (Mike Crash)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:40:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Navigation
In-Reply-To: <1260385329576-4141297.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1260385329576-4141297.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1262540441857-4246609.post@n2.nabble.com>


Happy new year everyone!

If you want to look at progress, here is first version of MC Navi:
http://www.mikecrash.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&id=116

Currently not for usage, only as preview for Debian users.


Mike Crash wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone, I only want to inform you, that I am working on new
> navigation for the Freerunner, current name is MC Navi, but may change.
> Screenshots here:
> 
> http://www.mikecrash.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&id=115
> 
> 

-- 
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From dscaini at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 18:47:53 2010
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:47:53 +0100
Subject: Navigation
In-Reply-To: <1262540441857-4246609.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1260385329576-4141297.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1262540441857-4246609.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <18db98c81001030947w1215db33u1d7313910a81a1ce@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Mike Crash <mike at mikecrash.com> wrote:

>
> Happy new year everyone!
>
> If you want to look at progress, here is first version of MC Navi:
> http://www.mikecrash.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&id=116
>
> Currently not for usage, only as preview for Debian users.
>
>
> Mike Crash wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone, I only want to inform you, that I am working on new
> > navigation for the Freerunner, current name is MC Navi, but may change.
> > Screenshots here:
> >
> > http://www.mikecrash.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&id=115
> >
> >
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://n2.nabble.com/Navigation-tp4141297p4246609.html
> Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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don't stop it now ;-)
great to have choice... is it faster than navit (even if buggy but just to
know)?
d
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From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Sun Jan  3 18:51:36 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:51:36 +0000
Subject: Navigation
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2010/1/3 Mike Crash <mike at mikecrash.com>:
>
> Happy new year everyone!
>
> If you want to look at progress, here is first version of MC Navi:
> http://www.mikecrash.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&id=116

This is nice news, but what is it with the "sorry, no source code yet" thing?

Mike, I don't actually mean to complain at you in particular.  It
seems to me that a lot of people write something like that, especially
with their early releases.  I just don't understand why, and I'm
afraid that your post has pushed me over the edge into saying
something about it.  Do people not know what Free Software means?

(Plus it's not hard to find a way of hosting source code...)

Regards,
       Neil


From ed at kapitein.org  Sun Jan  3 19:33:19 2010
From: ed at kapitein.org (Ed Kapitein)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:33:19 +0100
Subject: QNavitCtl - Navit Bookmarks via dbus
In-Reply-To: <201001012253.25179.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
References: <200908262157.09734.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<200912311923.39739.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<4B3E6424.6090009@kapitein.org>
	<201001012253.25179.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
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Hi Christian,

I hacked a script together, so you can now route from A to B via C.
( or via  C,  D,  E etc ;-) )
I put it on the navit website [6]
Please feel free to take a look and use (parts of) it for your own program.
Erasing the current waypoint would be nice to do in a gui, now you need
to edit the itinerary file.

Thanks for your help with this, i couldn't have done it without you!

Kind regards,
Ed

[6] http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/533

Christian R?b wrote:
> Hi Ed,
>
> Happy New Year as well!
>
> I found the path by looking at the newer wiki page example at the bottom [1] and the source [2].
>
> Meanwhile I built a newer version of qnavitctl for SHR-U, you can find a package here [3] and source here [4].
> I also enabled flickcharm "kinetic scrolling" [5].
>
> I also noticed, that on my Frerunner navit was started automatically if it was not running yet, when passing a dbus call via qnavitctl...
>
> Cheers,
>  Christian
>
> [1] http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Dbus
> [2] http://navit.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/navit/trunk/navit/navit/binding/dbus/binding_dbus.c?view=markup
> [3] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-new-unstable/
> [4]http://git.senfdax.de/?p=qnavitctl;a=summary
> [5] http://labs.qt.nokia.com/blogs/2009/07/19/kinetic-scrolling-on-any-widgets/
>
>   
>> Hi Christian,
>>
>> Thanks a million, it works like a charm!
>>
>> How did you come to use "default_navit" ?
>> I took a look at the source code, but i couldn't find out how to use it.
>>
>> Happy new-year, my has started perfectly ;-)
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Ed
>>
>>
>>
>> Christian R?b wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi Ed,
>>>
>>> try this:
>>>
>>> dbus-send --print-reply --dest=org.navit_project.navit /org/navit_project/navit/default_navit org.navit_project.navit.navit.set_center string:"12.1906 48.999"
>>>
>>> I had a look at [1] and after several tries this worked (on my PC). I will update qnavitcl soon - New Year's Eve is too close right now ;-)
>>> Not sure if this is the correct way though - no reply on navit user ML yet...
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>  Christian
>>>
>>> [1] http://navit.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/navit/trunk/navit/navit/binding/dbus/binding_dbus.c?view=markup
>>>
>>> Am Mittwoch, 30. Dezember 2009 schrieb Ed Kapitein:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Hi Christian,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot for your explanation!
>>>> I think i had the same problem you had, i can't set a destination with
>>>> the current version of navit.
>>>> (Dbus is enabled)
>>>> So, i will ask the people from the navit team on how to use dbus with
>>>> the current version.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again and "happy new year" everybody.
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>> Christian R?b wrote:
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> Hi Ed,
>>>>>
>>>>> to build it on your PC, you need to have qmake (from Qt) installed.
>>>>> Then simply run
>>>>> #qmake
>>>>> (the name may differ, liket qmake-qt4 or something)
>>>>> This will create your Makefile, then simply run
>>>>> #make
>>>>> and you are done, you will get one binary called "qnavitcl" - that's it.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want to build for your Openmoko phone, use my bitbake recipe here (simply copy to your OE tree) and it will build the package for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want a prebuilt binary - get it from here [1] (you'll also get dependencies from there). It is built for SHR-U.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you enabled dbus in navit.xml? This is essential.
>>>>>
>>>>> Use dbus-send to get a navit instance and then you can control it through the path you get back. Have a look at [2] how I did it in Qt:
>>>>> registerNavitInstance() and setCenter() will be of most interest for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you use dbus-send, you also need to print the replies - otherwise you cannot use them ;-) - see man page for futher details
>>>>>
>>>>> BUT - with current version of navit I could not get it to work as the dbus interface seems to have changed - "iter" does not exist anymore and I have not found a way yet to get an instance and set destination :(
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>  Christian
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-new-unstable/
>>>>> [2] http://git.senfdax.de/?p=qnavitctl;a=blob;f=src/mainwindow.cpp;h=a7b076db790971245b2d4c6769f13ba92b194b3e;hb=a3d4e3ea1506321d09a735e69810e3be01ccc860
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Hi Christian,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i am trying to use navit and dbus, but so far i haven't find out how to
>>>>>> do it.
>>>>>> I did download your source, but how do i build it?
>>>>>> ( real noob here...)
>>>>>> Could you explain how to build it from source?
>>>>>> I am used to ./configure, make, make install
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you give an example of dbus-send to set a destination in navit?
>>>>>> i want, like you, to have a list of waypoints and i want to set waypoint
>>>>>> 2 as destination, as soon as i am near waypoint 1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks a lot in advance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christian R?b wrote:
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> I wrote a little Qt app to send destination or position to Navit via dbus (needs to be activated in navit.xml first) or center the map.
>>>>>>> package [1]
>>>>>>> source [2]
>>>>>>> screenshot [3]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How to use it:
>>>>>>> create a file with name;lat;lon per line and start the program. If the file is named bookmarks.csv and placed in $HOME or the directory where qnavitctl is started this file is automatically loaded.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why a program that does what Navit already can do?
>>>>>>>  - for me it is a quick fix for #352 in navit
>>>>>>>  - for my 1k+ trip I have to prepare intermdeiate stops as otherwise route calculation would take very long (if it would succeed at all), so I can have my navit window and another window to set next destination easily
>>>>>>>  - it is an example how to talk to navit via dbus and could be used for other apps (e.g. litephone) to get coordinates (e.g. from opimd) and start navigation in navit through a button (e.g. you receive a text containing coordinates, press "take me there" and the coordinates are send as destination to navit via dbus)
>>>>>>>  - I am still learning Qt :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-unstable/
>>>>>>> [2] http://git.senfdax.de/?p=qnavitctl;a=summary
>>>>>>> [3] http://openmoko.senfdax.de/screenshots/qnavitctl.png
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Openmoko community mailing list
>>>>>>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>>>>>>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>   
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>
>
>
>   



From GNUtoo at no-log.org  Sun Jan  3 19:58:40 2010
From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (GNUtoo)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:58:40 +0100
Subject: Happy New Year from FSO
In-Reply-To: <1262532745.2920.6.camel@opal>
References: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda>
	<c4cd0cc81001030435g174a9db4ve72202183778a477@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262526339.22868.3.camel@andromeda>
	<c4cd0cc81001030618k7cc2fc61mc3a60dfcb05a33db@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262529735.24388.54.camel@d-a318.local> <1262532745.2920.6.camel@opal>
Message-ID: <1262545120.3713.24.camel@gnutoo-desktop>

On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 16:32 +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> we can't even charge the battery N900 with FOSS, so I'd say
> there's a whole set of different showstoppers lurking when attempting
> to
> bring a free OS to the N900. The modem itself is using a binary
> protocol
> as well, as opposed to the Palm Pre though it seems to be somewhat
> documented.
> 
> Unfortunately this time I didn't seem to be eligible for a Nokia
> developer discount, that's pretty much the reason why I don't have a
> N900.
More informations are available here:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo
I wonder if we could use(so replace maemo with) stock omap free software
such as:
x-load
u-boot
linux-omap kernel
And look at what works and what doesn't

If we could find a way to charge the battery in some way,and use stock
omap free software it would be great.

By the way we now have suspend to ram with omap CPU.

Denis.






From dehqan65 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 20:16:01 2010
From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (dehqan65)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:46:01 +0330
Subject: Ringtone request
Message-ID: <267bb6671001031116m44d22406ra9eb978b5830a4a5@mail.gmail.com>

In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful

hello;
Is there any simple and free to use ringtone ? (with good quality)

Regards dehqan
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From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 20:28:26 2010
From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:28:26 -0800
Subject: Ringtone request
In-Reply-To: <267bb6671001031116m44d22406ra9eb978b5830a4a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6671001031116m44d22406ra9eb978b5830a4a5@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:16 AM, dehqan65 <dehqan65 at gmail.com> wrote:
> hello;
> Is there any simple and free to use ringtone ? (with good quality)

check the wiki:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Ringtones


From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 20:39:01 2010
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:39:01 +0100
Subject: Whither open hardware ? (was Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using 
	your Freerunner?)
In-Reply-To: <20100103144727.GA4240@almesberger.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.1001022314340.8742@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu> 
	<20100103144727.GA4240@almesberger.net>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc81001031139x4e17b49fm675ed4e6aba47ecf@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Werner Almesberger <werner at openmoko.org> wrote:
> The 2442 is now about five years old, and it shows all over the
> place. In an updated but similar design, unlike gta02-core suitable
> for mass-production, I would use something like the 2450, which has
> high-speed USB, 2D acceleration, and other goodies.

There is also the openpandora project:
http://www.open-pandora.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=2&Itemid=2&lang=en

Is it unsuitable for a phone because of power inefficiency?
Can be the "ARM Cortex-A8 600Mhz" used in a future phone?

Laszlo


From deubeuliou at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 21:30:30 2010
From: deubeuliou at gmail.com (David Wagner)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:30:30 +0100
Subject: Hackable1 rev5 is out !
In-Reply-To: <4B3CD3DB.9050404@pricom.com.au>
References: <4B30CED8.3050905@gmail.com> <4B3CD3DB.9050404@pricom.com.au>
Message-ID: <4B40FE66.80606@gmail.com>

Philip Rhoades a ?crit :
> David,
> 
> Looks good but the WiFi doesn't connect for me and I can't do manual
> network setups because there is no visual keyboard for the terminal?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Phil.
> 

Hi Philip

You can pop up/close the keyboard at any time by (shortly) pressing the
Aux button.
In order to get the wifi working, you might have to run:
rmmod s3cmci
rmmod ar6000
modprobe s3cmci
modprobe ar6000

Thanks for your feedback
David

ps: http://trac.hackable1.org/trac/wiki/UserManual is minimal for now
but awaits for everybody's fillings.

> 
> On 2009-12-23 00:51, David Wagner wrote:
>> Sorry for the cross-post but we are wery pwoud to announce it:
>>
>>
>> Dear Hackable:1 users,
>>
>> After rev5rc1, we spent hours and hours debugging this or improving that
>> to finally get the rev5 out today. Yep, that's right: hackable:1 rev5
>> (Codename: Chuck) is there!
>>
>>
>> First of all, you can grab the different flavours (user for the flash
>> and developer for the SD) here: http://download.hackable1.org/rev5
>>
>> Changelog
>> Here are the changes since rev4:
>>
>> + End users matters
>>
>>      * Most of the software stack now runs under the 'hackable1' user,
>> for security purposes.
>>      * SMS proper implementation
>>      * The contact list bug has been found and fixed!
>>      * Power management improvements, suspend works, bluetooth and wifi
>> are no longer turned on by default.
>>      * An application called 'h1settings' can be used to configure phone
>> features, (enable / disable GSM / Wireless / GPS, power management, ...)
>> as well as time and date.
>>      * We created a new theme to celebrate this new release!
>>      * We got a splashscreen! It features a Chuck figure to reflects the
>> rev5 codename: Chuck
>>      * For those who used to love the games on OM2007.2, we put them
>> back !
>>      * Boot time seems to have been improved a bit
>>
>>
>> + Power users / developers matters
>>
>>      * This rev5 release has entirely been built from the automatic build
>> system.
>>      * A Linux kernel is now packaged in hackable:1, in order not to rely
>> on fso-pkg anymore.
>>            o Debugging has been disabled (boot time improvement)
>>            o Easier kernel upgrade when using an ext2 partition to store
>> the kernel on ?SD cards
>>            o Separation of kernel modules in three sets: essential (comes
>> with the kernel), common modules and "more modules"
>>            o You can read a bit on
>> http://zecrazytux.net/Embedded/Hackable1/Custom_Kernel.html
>>
>>      * CDBS is now used for some packages.
>>            o the package h1packtools contains a CDBS rule that may
>> suffice for simple programs with the autotools
>>            o this rule also enables cross-compilation ; it is based on
>> previous works on this subject
>>      * Git repositories can now be used as sources for remote projects.
>>
>> Where can I find it? Where can I get it? I didn't understand last time,
>> so I ask again : what is the answer to the ultimate question about life,
>> the universe, and everything?
>>
>> As ever, you can download hackable:1 on
>> http://download.hackable1.org/rev5.
>>
>> All the necessary information can be found on http://trac.hackable1.org
>> as ever, that is documentation, installation instructions as well as
>> known issues.
>>
>> It's obvious that the answer to the aforementioned question is "Chuck".
>>
>> Who should I thank for all that stuff?
>>
>> Among the people who worked on this release, the most notorious are
>> (alphabetically):
>>
>>      * Marcus Bauer (mbauer)
>>      * J?rome Blondon (jbl2024)
>>      * S?bastien Bocahu (zecrazytux)
>>      * Pierre Pronchery (khorben)
>>      * David Wagner (Deubeuliou)
>>
>>
>> We'd also like to thank all the testers, among them most notably
>> Bearstech employees, and regular contributors/users of hackable:1, who
>> kept us going forward.
>>
>> What should I expect next?
>> Due to a very good number of good reasons, which could all of them be
>> summed up by a minute of one of khorben's rants against libgsmd, we'll
>> switch to Freesmartphone.Org for rev6.
>> We will also switch from xserver-xglamo to xserver-xorg for the sake of
>> more responsive graphics.
>> On the developer side, we will of course continue to improve the
>> packaging system and lower the entry barrier.
>>
>> All in all, more reliable GSM&  suspend, and almost all the features one
>> may need. Stay tuned!
>>
>>
>>
>> The hackable:1 team
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> devel mailing list
>> devel at lists.openmoko.org
>> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
> 



From openmoko at underhand.org  Sun Jan  3 21:49:11 2010
From: openmoko at underhand.org (Dave Ball)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:49:11 +0000
Subject: Whither open hardware ? 
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc81001031139x4e17b49fm675ed4e6aba47ecf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.1001022314340.8742@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu>
	<20100103144727.GA4240@almesberger.net>
	<c4cd0cc81001031139x4e17b49fm675ed4e6aba47ecf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4102C7.7090202@underhand.org>

Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> There is also the openpandora project:
> http://www.open-pandora.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=2&Itemid=2&lang=en
>
> Is it unsuitable for a phone because of power inefficiency?
> Can be the "ARM Cortex-A8 600Mhz" used in a future phone?
>   

The pandora (and beagleboard) use the OMAP3530 which (afaik) is just a 
retail package of the (oem only) OMAP3430 used in the palm pre and 
motorola droid. [1]

The docs are open [2] (except the power VR 3D subsystem), and from first 
looks it should be fine in a future phone - though it would be a radical 
departure from our existing designs.


Dave

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Instruments_OMAP
[2] http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/omap3530.html



From GNUtoo at no-log.org  Sun Jan  3 21:57:46 2010
From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (GNUtoo)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:57:46 +0100
Subject: Whither open hardware ?
In-Reply-To: <4B4102C7.7090202@underhand.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.1001022314340.8742@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu>
	<20100103144727.GA4240@almesberger.net>
	<c4cd0cc81001031139x4e17b49fm675ed4e6aba47ecf@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4102C7.7090202@underhand.org>
Message-ID: <1262552266.3713.27.camel@gnutoo-desktop>

On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 20:49 +0000, Dave Ball wrote:
> Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> > There is also the openpandora project:
> > http://www.open-pandora.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=2&Itemid=2&lang=en
> >
> > Is it unsuitable for a phone because of power inefficiency?
> > Can be the "ARM Cortex-A8 600Mhz" used in a future phone?
> >   
> 
> The pandora (and beagleboard) use the OMAP3530 which (afaik) is just a 
> retail package of the (oem only) OMAP3430 used in the palm pre and 
> motorola droid. [1]
> 
> The docs are open [2] (except the power VR 3D subsystem), and from first 
> looks it should be fine in a future phone - though it would be a radical 
> departure from our existing designs.
There is one...it's called omap zoom II but it's not cheap
If I understood well the GSM modem is optionnal

Maybe I should have bought one instead of an htcdream
(better buy now when the dollar is cheap)

Denis.




From jeesmann at gmx.de  Sun Jan  3 22:14:22 2010
From: jeesmann at gmx.de (Joerg Eesmann)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 22:14:22 +0100
Subject: Whither open hardware ? (was Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still
	using your Freerunner?)
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc81001031139x4e17b49fm675ed4e6aba47ecf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.1001022314340.8742@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu>
	<20100103144727.GA4240@almesberger.net>
	<c4cd0cc81001031139x4e17b49fm675ed4e6aba47ecf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1262553262.6675.14.camel@fred.uchi.de>

Hi,
I would love to have an open phone with OMAP processor like OpenPandora
and BeagleBoard. Both have the OMAP 3530 with 3D acceleration and DSP.
Maybe a phone doesn't need the DSP. But it is amazingly powersufficient,
IMO. The phone would be up to date from processor power, and there
should not be a resource problem so soon, I guess. BeagleBoard and
OpenPandora are both well supported in OE, so from SW-side there should
not be so much effort (in theorie, you kow...).
>From HW-side another nicy is the POP (package on package). In the
BeagleBoard they are using a variant, where the RAM and NAND (both in
one Chip) is soldered on top of the processor, so the high speed lines
to DDR-RAM are not going through the PCB (on the other of course, you
have the process of soldering...).
... just dreaming ...
Joerg

On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 20:39 +0100, Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Werner Almesberger <werner at openmoko.org> wrote:
> > The 2442 is now about five years old, and it shows all over the
> > place. In an updated but similar design, unlike gta02-core suitable
> > for mass-production, I would use something like the 2450, which has
> > high-speed USB, 2D acceleration, and other goodies.
> 
> There is also the openpandora project:
> http://www.open-pandora.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=2&Itemid=2?=en
> 
> Is it unsuitable for a phone because of power inefficiency?
> Can be the "ARM Cortex-A8 600Mhz" used in a future phone?
> 
> Laszlo
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



From mike at mikecrash.com  Sun Jan  3 22:47:42 2010
From: mike at mikecrash.com (Mike Crash)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:47:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Navigation
In-Reply-To: <49dd78621001030951x22cb3823peadc0c60e22a7347@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1260385329576-4141297.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1262540441857-4246609.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<49dd78621001030951x22cb3823peadc0c60e22a7347@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1262555262091-4247408.post@n2.nabble.com>


This means that it is preview and not releasable yet. I know what it free
software - but it is up to author, when he makes releases. And if he makes
it at all. This is only to know, that it is not sleeping.

So please don't be fidgety - I have spent on this 7 months, every day 2-3
hours, many times to late night (to 2 am) and I can thank god I have so
lovely family to allow that. This is true for other my projects too. Why
don't I buy navigation for 200 bucks instead of spending my rare time that
would cost by the way my employer thousands? With no donations and no
gratitude. Anyway, I should slow down...



Neil Jerram wrote:
> 
> 2010/1/3 Mike Crash <mike at mikecrash.com>:
>>
>> Happy new year everyone!
>>
>> If you want to look at progress, here is first version of MC Navi:
>> http://www.mikecrash.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&id=116
> 
> This is nice news, but what is it with the "sorry, no source code yet"
> thing?
> 
> Mike, I don't actually mean to complain at you in particular.  It
> seems to me that a lot of people write something like that, especially
> with their early releases.  I just don't understand why, and I'm
> afraid that your post has pushed me over the edge into saying
> something about it.  Do people not know what Free Software means?
> 
> (Plus it's not hard to find a way of hosting source code...)
> 
> Regards,
>        Neil
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
> 

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From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Sun Jan  3 23:36:46 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:36:46 +0000
Subject: Navigation
In-Reply-To: <1262555262091-4247408.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1260385329576-4141297.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1262540441857-4246609.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<49dd78621001030951x22cb3823peadc0c60e22a7347@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262555262091-4247408.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <49dd78621001031436w6454aae3i6f844e0b4b775642@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/3 Mike Crash <mike at mikecrash.com>:
>
> This means that it is preview and not releasable yet.

This makes no sense.  How can the binary be releasable, but the source code not?

> I know what it free
> software - but it is up to author, when he makes releases. And if he makes
> it at all.

I agree that it is completely your choice when, whether and what to
release.  But you should not claim that your project is free software
if you do not release the source code.

To be fair, I don't know if you _have_ ever claimed that your project
is free software.  I basically just assume that everyone on this list
is intending to follow the conventions of free software - perhaps
that's a bad assumption on my part.

> This is only to know, that it is not sleeping.

That is appreciated, thanks!

> So please don't be fidgety - I have spent on this 7 months, every day 2-3
> hours, many times to late night (to 2 am) and I can thank god I have so
> lovely family to allow that. This is true for other my projects too. Why
> don't I buy navigation for 200 bucks instead of spending my rare time that
> would cost by the way my employer thousands?

Understood; I think we all know these feelings...  Personally I'm
afraid I can no longer manage to work at that kind of intensity, but I
fondly remember the days when I could and did.

And, I really believe that releasing the source code could help you
and your project!

> With no donations and no
> gratitude.

Those are bad reasons for working on free software, of course, but I
would guess that you didn't really mean them...?

> Anyway, I should slow down...

Not because of my comment, I hope!

Best wishes,
     Neil


From werner at openmoko.org  Mon Jan  4 00:06:08 2010
From: werner at openmoko.org (Werner Almesberger)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:06:08 -0300
Subject: Whither open hardware ? (was Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still
	using your Freerunner?)
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc81001031139x4e17b49fm675ed4e6aba47ecf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.1001022314340.8742@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu>
	<20100103144727.GA4240@almesberger.net>
	<c4cd0cc81001031139x4e17b49fm675ed4e6aba47ecf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100103230608.GB4240@almesberger.net>

Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> Is it unsuitable for a phone because of power inefficiency?
> Can be the "ARM Cortex-A8 600Mhz" used in a future phone?

There are many component choices for future phones. Things to consider
when choosing chips include:

- do they fit the intended purpose ?
- are they open enough for our purposes ?
- are they available (to us) ?
- will they be available as long as we need them ?
- are they affordable ?
- what are the integration costs ?
- what are the opportunity costs ?
- do they work as intended ?
- how do they fit our technical capabilities ?
- what legal exposures do they cause ?

Of course, you don't see companies advertize much on the issues listed
above. Quite to the contrary - how often does one see a feature
presented as "patented proprietary technology" as if this was a good
thing ?

- Werner


From rizurita at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  4 00:25:59 2010
From: rizurita at yahoo.com (Rafael Ignacio Zurita)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:25:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: can't access projects.openmoko.org via ssh/scp/sftp
Message-ID: <625310.91995.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hello,

I try:

ssh PROJECTNAME.projects.openmoko.org

but it hangs after to show the welcome Debian banner.
 
The same with scp or sftp. With sftp I get a prompt, but a simple
ls hangs. I also checked that I can run : 

ssh PROJECTNAME.projects.openmoko.org "ls /var/lib/gforge/chroot/home/groups"

and I see lot of project directories. But if I run :

ssh PROJECTNAME.projects.openmoko.org "ls /var/lib/gforge/chroot/home/groups/PROJECTNAME/"

it hangs. I have two projects, and the same happens 
with both of them.

Is that the proper behavior?
How should I edit the project web page? (that you see going
to http://PROJECTNAME.projects.openmoko.org)

Regards.

--
Rafael Ignacio Zurita




From vfebvre at easter-eggs.com  Mon Jan  4 00:28:46 2010
From: vfebvre at easter-eggs.com (Valery Febvre)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 00:28:46 +0100
Subject: [SHR] Podboy 1.1.0
Message-ID: <4B41282E.8000407@easter-eggs.com>

Hi,

A new version of Podboy is available.

Very small changes in this version but I think that "release early,
release often" is a good practice.

Changes in 1.1.0:
* Unplayed episodes can now be identified by a yellow star.

* Unplayed/played status of episodes can be manually toggled via a new
entry named "Toggle Played Status" in the "Actions" combobox of
"Episodes" page.

* Add possibility to show details of episodes before to play them via a
new entry named "Show Details" in the "Actions" comboxbox of "Episodes"
page.


Package: http://podboy.googlecode.com/files/podboy_1.1.0-r0_all.ipk

========================================================================

Podboy is a podcast aggregator/player written in Python/Elementary.

Its interface aims to be easy and finger friendly.
It uses Feedparser Python module for download/parsing of podcast feeds,
Gstreamer for playing of episodes and SQLite for storing data.

Features
* Subscription, unsubscription to podcasts
* Check for new episodes
* Download of a single episode or all available episodes
* Delete of a single episode or all episodes
* Player: play/pause/stop, mute, sliders for playing position of
   episodes and volume
* Volume and playing positions of episodes are saved
* Auto-suspend is disabled during playing
* Playing is stopped on incoming GSM call
* Bluetooth A2DP support

Suggestions/feedback/bug reports are welcome.

Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/podboy/

Screenshots: http://code.google.com/p/podboy/wiki/Screenshots

Happy listening,
-- 
Val?ry Febvre
Valos


From billk at iinet.net.au  Mon Jan  4 02:12:54 2010
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 01:12:54 +0000
Subject: Alternatives to FR
Message-ID: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>

What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there?  I
want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ...

The android phones (htc dream?) - none of which are fully functional on
FSO/SHR (I think), and access through android to the underlying system
is minimal.

Flow - good but pricy, and unless I am looking at the design wrong,
there is only one adapter/interface socket so you can have a phone, or a
GSM device, but not both at the same time.

Nokia n900 - probably the best choice at this time.

What others are available NOW?

BillK




-- 
William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
Home in Perth!



From dehqan65 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 08:34:57 2010
From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (dehqan65)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:04:57 +0330
Subject: Ringtone request
In-Reply-To: <f8d5d4f31001031128h22d5682fg7f56b36e998f6a63@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6671001031116m44d22406ra9eb978b5830a4a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8d5d4f31001031128h22d5682fg7f56b36e998f6a63@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <267bb6671001032334ica5b3gda6d781e7efaa40b@mail.gmail.com>

In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful

hello;
Thank you but there was checked before
a ring tone like nokia default ringtone

Regards dehqan
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From neilb at suse.de  Mon Jan  4 09:01:00 2010
From: neilb at suse.de (Neil Brown)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 19:01:00 +1100
Subject: Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <20100104190100.32804923@notabene.brown>

On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 01:12:54 +0000
William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> wrote:

> What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there?  I
> want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ...
> 
> The android phones (htc dream?) - none of which are fully functional on
> FSO/SHR (I think), and access through android to the underlying system
> is minimal.
> 
> Flow - good but pricy, and unless I am looking at the design wrong,
> there is only one adapter/interface socket so you can have a phone, or a
> GSM device, but not both at the same time.
> 
> Nokia n900 - probably the best choice at this time.
> 
> What others are available NOW?

http://www.exedamobile.com/

Looks like an interesting device.
Not terribly cheap, and they seem to want you to buy in lots
of 1000, but once you find the price page:

   http://www.compulab.co.il/exeda/html/exeda-price.htm

it does appear that for 40% extra you can buy them in ones.
Maybe $US672 with wifi, bluetooth, gsm, gprs, gps,
$US32 extra for a camera.

Claims (http://www.compulab.co.il/exeda/html/exeda-os-support.htm) to all
work with Linux.

If you buy one, let us know how it goes :-)

NeilBrown


From openmoko at netapps.com.au  Mon Jan  4 09:42:53 2010
From: openmoko at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 19:42:53 +1100
Subject: Ringtone request
In-Reply-To: <267bb6671001032334ica5b3gda6d781e7efaa40b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6671001031116m44d22406ra9eb978b5830a4a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8d5d4f31001031128h22d5682fg7f56b36e998f6a63@mail.gmail.com>
	<267bb6671001032334ica5b3gda6d781e7efaa40b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100104194253.265444c3@michael>

On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:04:57 +0330
dehqan65 <dehqan65 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you but there was checked before
> a ring tone like nokia default ringtone

You may be interested in my ringtones package. The source code is available from this URL:

http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/ringtones/file/tip

It uses the signalgen package.

A package which installs a few simple tones is available from here:

http://opkg.glitch.tl/ringtones_0.1_arm.ipk

I used this to make the "five tones" from the movie Close Encounters, which is my preferred ring tone. The limitation here is that signalgen is a very simple signal generator.

Regards,
-- 
Michael Smith
Network Applications
www.netapps.com.au   | +61 (0) 416 062 898
Web Hosting          | Internet Services


From openmoko at netapps.com.au  Mon Jan  4 10:21:33 2010
From: openmoko at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:21:33 +1100
Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100104202133.4376fee7@michael>

On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:30:53 +0200
"Risto H. Kurppa" <risto at kurppa.fi> wrote:

> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

Yes

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

No

> What distribution you run most of the time?

SHR-U

> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?

I still use my palm pilot as my PDA through I am writing an application for SHR to replace the palm pilot.
-- 
Michael Smith
Network Applications
www.netapps.com.au   | +61 (0) 416 062 898
Web Hosting          | Internet Services


From billk at iinet.net.au  Mon Jan  4 10:46:52 2010
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:46:52 +0000
Subject: Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <20100104190100.32804923@notabene.brown>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<20100104190100.32804923@notabene.brown>
Message-ID: <1262598412.11618.173.camel@rattus>

I'd looked at this one but its not 3G capable.  I like the physical
keyboard, though being 96mm wide its a small book!

3G is almost essential as on my last holiday in northwest Australia,
there were a lot of 3G only areas - GSM seems like its disappearing :(

BillK



On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 19:01 +1100, Neil Brown wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 01:12:54 +0000
> William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> > What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there?  I
> > want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ...
> > 
> > The android phones (htc dream?) - none of which are fully functional on
> > FSO/SHR (I think), and access through android to the underlying system
> > is minimal.
> > 
> > Flow - good but pricy, and unless I am looking at the design wrong,
> > there is only one adapter/interface socket so you can have a phone, or a
> > GSM device, but not both at the same time.
> > 
> > Nokia n900 - probably the best choice at this time.
> > 
> > What others are available NOW?
> 
> http://www.exedamobile.com/
> 
> Looks like an interesting device.
> Not terribly cheap, and they seem to want you to buy in lots
> of 1000, but once you find the price page:
> 
>    http://www.compulab.co.il/exeda/html/exeda-price.htm
> 
> it does appear that for 40% extra you can buy them in ones.
> Maybe $US672 with wifi, bluetooth, gsm, gprs, gps,
> $US32 extra for a camera.
> 
> Claims (http://www.compulab.co.il/exeda/html/exeda-os-support.htm) to all
> work with Linux.
> 
> If you buy one, let us know how it goes :-)
> 
> NeilBrown
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
-- 
William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
Home in Perth!



From atax at email.it  Mon Jan  4 11:06:40 2010
From: atax at email.it (A.A.)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:06:40 +0100
Subject: Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <1262598412.11618.173.camel@rattus>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<20100104190100.32804923@notabene.brown>
	<1262598412.11618.173.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <43bc49bd1001040206q7a25588fm200f575eaae0d528@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/4 William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>

> I'd looked at this one but its not 3G capable.  I like the physical
> keyboard, though being 96mm wide its a small book!
>
> 3G is almost essential as on my last holiday in northwest Australia,
> there were a lot of 3G only areas - GSM seems like its disappearing :(
>
> BillK
>
>
>
> On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 19:01 +1100, Neil Brown wrote:
> > On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 01:12:54 +0000
> > William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> wrote:
> >
> > > What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there?  I
> > > want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ...
> > >
> > > The android phones (htc dream?) - none of which are fully functional on
> > > FSO/SHR (I think), and access through android to the underlying system
> > > is minimal.
> > >
> > > Flow - good but pricy, and unless I am looking at the design wrong,
> > > there is only one adapter/interface socket so you can have a phone, or
> a
> > > GSM device, but not both at the same time.
> > >
> > > Nokia n900 - probably the best choice at this time.
> > >
> > > What others are available NOW?
> >
> > http://www.exedamobile.com/
> >
> > Looks like an interesting device.
> > Not terribly cheap, and they seem to want you to buy in lots
> > of 1000, but once you find the price page:
> >
> >    http://www.compulab.co.il/exeda/html/exeda-price.htm
> >
> > it does appear that for 40% extra you can buy them in ones.
> > Maybe $US672 with wifi, bluetooth, gsm, gprs, gps,
> > $US32 extra for a camera.
> >
> > Claims (http://www.compulab.co.il/exeda/html/exeda-os-support.htm) to
> all
> > work with Linux.
> >
> > If you buy one, let us know how it goes :-)
> >
> > NeilBrown
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> --
> William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
> Home in Perth!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


Else Intuition
-- 
A.A.
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From thomas.franck at gmx.com  Mon Jan  4 11:12:11 2010
From: thomas.franck at gmx.com (Thomas Franck)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:12:11 +0100
Subject: Bluetooth PBAP support for FSO
In-Reply-To: <200912261253.58652.ml@vdm-design.de>
References: <200912231831.14883.ml@vdm-design.de>	<200912241233.42453.ml@vdm-design.de>	<20091225165343.38330@gmx.net>
	<200912261253.58652.ml@vdm-design.de>
Message-ID: <4B41BEFB.9030701@gmx.com>

Happy New Year!

Thomas Zimmermann wrote:
> That's great. The first test resulted in a crash of the PBAP plugin, so i've to 
> look at this.
> Will tell you if i have an new version, but i will wait till the new year 
> before i do some more on this.

I'm back home.. well.. at work now..
What do I have to prepare in order to test your plugin?

Cheers,
-- 
Thomas

-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
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From ml at vdm-design.de  Mon Jan  4 11:46:23 2010
From: ml at vdm-design.de (Thomas Zimmermann)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:46:23 +0100
Subject: Bluetooth PBAP support for FSO
In-Reply-To: <4B41BEFB.9030701@gmx.com>
References: <200912231831.14883.ml@vdm-design.de>
	<200912261253.58652.ml@vdm-design.de> <4B41BEFB.9030701@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <201001041146.23842.ml@vdm-design.de>

   
Am Montag 04 Januar 2010 11:12:11 schrieb Thomas Franck:
> Happy New Year!

Happy New Year :)

> I'm back home.. well.. at work now..
> What do I have to prepare in order to test your plugin?

I think it's not working, because i implemented just 1 of the 3 calls. And it 
seems the other 2 are more often used :)
I will do the other too this week. But if you want you can try the current 
version.

http://downloads.vdm-design.de/obexd_0.20-r0.4_armv4t.ipk

But i think sth more is needed. We need an bluetooth agent that knows about 
obexd. Perhaps simple-agent does.

then obexd needs to be started with -p option, the /etc/dbus-1/services config 
file doesn't do that in my current version, so you have to add that option 
there.

> Cheers,
> 


From larrycow at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 11:57:46 2010
From: larrycow at gmail.com (Olivier Migeot)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:57:46 +0100
Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <389eeb981001040257t3c411526xa060ffb7e962f1c5@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa <risto at kurppa.fi> wrote:

> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

Yes.

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

Yes, though my use of a PDA is a bit scarce. Mostly GPS-based
functions (OSM tracks and the such).

> What distribution you run most of the time?

A (somewhat outdated) shr-u.

Happy new year to all of you.

-- 
Olivier


From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 12:17:25 2010
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:17:25 +0100
Subject: Navigation
In-Reply-To: <1262555262091-4247408.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1260385329576-4141297.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1262540441857-4246609.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<49dd78621001030951x22cb3823peadc0c60e22a7347@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262555262091-4247408.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <26fea52c1001040317rbb51ba2mf8f8ea951f794d2d@mail.gmail.com>

c'mon,
you know he meant well

I can only applaud new pieces of software for our freerunners, so keep up
the good work
I personally think it's entirely up to you to release or not release the
source files (afterall, you could also  make a programme people have to pay
for)
but it might be interesting for both you and the community;
maybe someone has a good idea or a suggestion to make?
maybe someone will propose a patch?
anyway, it's still up to you (imho)

just have fun!

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Mike Crash <mike at mikecrash.com> wrote:

>
> This means that it is preview and not releasable yet. I know what it free
> software - but it is up to author, when he makes releases. And if he makes
> it at all. This is only to know, that it is not sleeping.
>
> So please don't be fidgety - I have spent on this 7 months, every day 2-3
> hours, many times to late night (to 2 am) and I can thank god I have so
> lovely family to allow that. This is true for other my projects too. Why
> don't I buy navigation for 200 bucks instead of spending my rare time that
> would cost by the way my employer thousands? With no donations and no
> gratitude. Anyway, I should slow down...
>
>
>
> Neil Jerram wrote:
> >
> > 2010/1/3 Mike Crash <mike at mikecrash.com>:
> >>
> >> Happy new year everyone!
> >>
> >> If you want to look at progress, here is first version of MC Navi:
> >> http://www.mikecrash.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&id=116
> >
> > This is nice news, but what is it with the "sorry, no source code yet"
> > thing?
> >
> > Mike, I don't actually mean to complain at you in particular.  It
> > seems to me that a lot of people write something like that, especially
> > with their early releases.  I just don't understand why, and I'm
> > afraid that your post has pushed me over the edge into saying
> > something about it.  Do people not know what Free Software means?
> >
> > (Plus it's not hard to find a way of hosting source code...)
> >
> > Regards,
> >        Neil
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
> >
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://n2.nabble.com/Navigation-tp4141297p4247408.html
> Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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From omega.xavier at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 14:03:46 2010
From: omega.xavier at gmail.com (Xavier Cremaschi)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:03:46 +0100
Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B41E732.4010105@gmail.com>

Risto H. Kurppa a ?crit :
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
Yes, since july 2008 (rev5, buzzfixed one year later)

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
Yes.
> 
> What distribution you run most of the time?
SHR for a long time, Android currently (very comfy + great browser/wifi)

> 
> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?
> 
> 
> Thank you :)
You're welcome.




From ml at chonyota.net  Mon Jan  4 14:37:14 2010
From: ml at chonyota.net (Christoph Mair)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:37:14 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] UBI success story
Message-ID: <201001041437.14500.ml@chonyota.net>

[sent again to reach the mailing lists]
On Sunday 03 January 2010 13:11:52 Martin Jansa wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 09:25:57PM +0100, Christoph Mair wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I tried to use SHR the ubi images on my freerunner, but they did not
> > work. Does someone know the parameters which are passed to mkfs.ubifs? I
> > think that the ubi fileystem is created for NAND flashes with subpage
> > support, but this feature does not work on the freerunner. Passing -s
> > 2048 should create a working image (but I did not verify this yet).
> 
> Params are in:
> http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/conf/machine/om-gta0
> 2.conf
> 
> MKUBIFS_ARGS = "-m 2048 -e 129024 -c 2047"
> for mkfs.ubifs
> 
> UBINIZE_ARGS = "-m 2048 -p 128KiB -s 512"
> for ubinize
> 
> So I don't see param for subpage setting for mkfs.ubifs, its only in
>  ubinize, but it didn't help for my NAND, even when I prepare ubi volume on
>  neo with -s 2048 -O 2048 and then try to updatevol with full image (small
>  image like initramfs-kexecboot works for me just fine). That's why I
>  didn't push patch for setting it in UBINIZE_ARGS.
Yes, my fault. mkfs.ubifs does not care about subpages. The critical point 
here is the logical eraseblock size:
Quote  from http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/ubi.html#L_subpage:
"Indeed, let's consider a NAND flash with 128KiB eraseblocks and 2048-byte 
pages. If it does not have sub-pages, UBI puts the the VID header at physical 
offset 2048, so LEB size becomes 124KiB (128KiB minus one NAND page which 
stores the EC header and minus another NAND page which stores the VID header."

Therefore the params should be:
MKUBIFS_ARGS = "-m 2048 -e 126976 -c 2047"

With these parameters, I successfully wrote a ubifs image to a ubi volume:
flash_eraseall /dev/mtd6
ubiattach /dev/ubi_ctrl -m6 -O 2048
ubimkvol /dev/ubi0 -m -Nrootfs
ubiupdatevol /dev/ubi0_0 test.ubifs
mount -t ubifs ubi0_0 /mnt/

The first step (flash_eraseall) is optional and only needed if ubiattach fails.

IMHO the ubinize params should be
UBINIZE_ARGS = "-m 2048 -p 128KiB -s 2048"
but until now I did not get this to work. I can write the image (sometimes it 
needs a few tries) but mount does not work.

> > To fix this, we need to tell the kernel that the mtd partition 6 contains
> > a ubi volume which contains the ubifs rootfs: rootfstype=ubifs
> > ubi.mtd=6,2048 root=ubi0:rootfs.
> > For a "normal" boot qi passes rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 to the
> > kernel. Just changing the boot params within the kernel configuration
> > does not work. Therefore I patched qi :)
> 
> Ah great!, thanks
Remember that ubi0:rootfs specifies the volume name. The current ubinize.cfg 
sets this name to om-gta02-rootfs, so change this to ubi0:om-gta02-rootfs

Christoph


From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 14:48:49 2010
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:48:49 +0100
Subject: Happy New Year from FSO
In-Reply-To: <1262531533.2920.2.camel@opal>
References: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda>
	<c4cd0cc81001030435g174a9db4ve72202183778a477@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1262526339.22868.3.camel@andromeda>
	<c4cd0cc81001030618k7cc2fc61mc3a60dfcb05a33db@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1262531533.2920.2.camel@opal>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc81001040548v5c380ec0l230a604e7e07f152@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
<mickey at vanille-media.de> wrote:
> There is still hope. I like the form factor of the Palm Pre very much.
> If we get access to the modem, the rest should be relatively simple.
>

Seems like the Motorola Droid is similar hardware-wise to the Palm Pre.
Im still googling to know the exact specs, but seems promising.

Best regards,
 Laszlo


From martin.jansa at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 14:52:10 2010
From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:52:10 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] UBI success story
In-Reply-To: <201001041437.14500.ml@chonyota.net>
References: <201001041437.14500.ml@chonyota.net>
Message-ID: <20100104135210.GK3202@jama>

On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 02:37:14PM +0100, Christoph Mair wrote:
> Quote  from http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/ubi.html#L_subpage:
> "Indeed, let's consider a NAND flash with 128KiB eraseblocks and 2048-byte 
> pages. If it does not have sub-pages, UBI puts the the VID header at physical 
> offset 2048, so LEB size becomes 124KiB (128KiB minus one NAND page which 
> stores the EC header and minus another NAND page which stores the VID header."
> 
> Therefore the params should be:
> MKUBIFS_ARGS = "-m 2048 -e 126976 -c 2047"

Yeah, I notided the same yesterday in failing mount command (it said
that superblock is wrong because of having wrong leb size, so updated 
it locally too).

> With these parameters, I successfully wrote a ubifs image to a ubi volume:
> flash_eraseall /dev/mtd6
> ubiattach /dev/ubi_ctrl -m6 -O 2048
> ubimkvol /dev/ubi0 -m -Nrootfs
> ubiupdatevol /dev/ubi0_0 test.ubifs
> mount -t ubifs ubi0_0 /mnt/
> 
> The first step (flash_eraseall) is optional and only needed if ubiattach fails.

I it "worked" for me too with just
flash_eraseall /dev/mtd6
nandwrite /dev/mtd6 shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20100103-om-gta02.rootfs.ubi

but first attempt it worked with only IO errors about few unreadable
PEBs. After reboot mount always failed after about a minute with
"Segmentation fault" and once with kernel panic - with 2.6.32.2.

> IMHO the ubinize params should be
> UBINIZE_ARGS = "-m 2048 -p 128KiB -s 2048"

I also had -O 2048 there..

> but until now I did not get this to work. I can write the image (sometimes it 
> needs a few tries) but mount does not work.

As said above for me it worked just once after nandwrite. :/

Cheers,

-- 
uin:136542059                jid:Martin.Jansa at gmail.com
Jansa Martin                 sip:jamasip at voip.wengo.fr 
JaMa                         


From bernd.pruenster at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 15:25:52 2010
From: bernd.pruenster at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bernd_Pr=FCnster?=)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:25:52 +0100
Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <f8d5d4f30912291234y72b398cs2a9325c654955d86@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8d5d4f30912291234y72b398cs2a9325c654955d86@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B41FA70.1060409@gmail.com>

jeremy jozwik wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa <risto at kurppa.fi> wrote:
>   
>> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
>> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>> What distribution you run most of the time?
>>     
yes
yes
shr-u



From xavier.vens at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 15:31:51 2010
From: xavier.vens at gmail.com (Xavier Vens)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:31:51 +0100
Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <4B41FA70.1060409@gmail.com>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8d5d4f30912291234y72b398cs2a9325c654955d86@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B41FA70.1060409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a3ff212a1001040631w3d5c143aud8ce0899df3c2878@mail.gmail.com>

no
no
shr-u


On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Bernd Pr?nster
<bernd.pruenster at gmail.com> wrote:
> jeremy jozwik wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa <risto at kurppa.fi> wrote:
>>
>>> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
>>> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>>> What distribution you run most of the time?
>>>
> yes
> yes
> shr-u
>
>
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From previdi.roberto at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 16:55:09 2010
From: previdi.roberto at gmail.com (previdi.roberto at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:55:09 +0100 (CET)
Subject: openmoko io error
Message-ID: <g41fnfz6g1fdu1l5hbUYAxe124vaj_firegpg@mail.gmail.com>

sometimes, with no particular cause, but always when the phone is in use (using gps, or while getting the gsm signal, or while playing mokomaze), the image on the screen become corrupted by white horizontal lines, then the enlightenment crash window appears, and if i click on the second button it shows the console with this error:

[10176.520000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 6478338
[10176.530000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending status command&lt;3&gt;mmcblk0:error -110 sending read/write command, response 0x0, card status 0x0[10176.540000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 6478338
[10176.550000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending status command&lt;3&gt;mmcblk0:error -110 sending read/write command, response 0x0, card status 0x0[10176.560000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 6478338
[10176.565000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending status command&lt;3&gt;mmcblk0:error -110 sending read/write command, response 0x0, card status 0x0[10176.575000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 6478338
[10176.580000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending status command&lt;3&gt;mmcblk0:error -110 sending read/write command, response 0x0, card status 0x0[10176.595000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 6478338
[10176.600000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending statuscommand&lt;3&gt;mmcblk0:error -110 sending read/write command, response0x0, card status 0x0[10176.615000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 6478338
[10176.615000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending statuscommand&lt;3&gt;mmcblk0:error -110 sending read/write command, response0x0, card status 0x0[10176.625000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 6478338
[10176.635000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending statuscommand&lt;3&gt;mmcblk0:error -110 sending read/write command, response0x0, card status 0x0
... ad libitum

Then, when i reboot the phone it will not find the gsm signal for ages and for many reboots. 
Then, eventually it will work again.

is this normal? i tought it seems some electric bug related to the video chip and to the gsm chip...
-- 
roby
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From info at apertum.it  Mon Jan  4 16:58:15 2010
From: info at apertum.it (-= Apertum =-)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:58:15 +0100
Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.1001022314340.8742@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.1001022314340.8742@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <4B421017.2050607@apertum.it>



* Ken Young wrote, Il 03/01/2010 07:10:
>> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
>>     

Yes, but always with some problems.

The *biggest* problem is battery life of my FR, because some times i
cannot finish a day with a full charge, doing only some short calls.
It's a big issue from day 0, IMHO, never really solved. I'm very happy
of the screen and solid design of the FR, but his graphic speed and
responsiveness (with QtMoko, at least) some times it's not good.

>> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
>>     
Yes, but without the copy/paste fuction and "a still not so good" touch
keyboard, also here i've some problem.
But using  it as a pure GPS device, it's really good.

>> What distribution you run most of the time?
>>     
QtMoko (latest version compilad and maintained by the great Radek
Polak), that is Qt based over a Debian (as i understand).

-- 
Andrea


From th.otterbein at gmx.net  Mon Jan  4 17:07:51 2010
From: th.otterbein at gmx.net (Thomas Otterbein)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:07:51 +0100
Subject: [ALL] Freerunner GTA02v5 for Sale in Hungary
Message-ID: <201001041707.51738.th.otterbein@gmx.net>

Dear all,

after month and month of trying and always failing at one point I finally gave 
up on my Freerunner. I've got to admit that I prefer my phone to be unfree, 
but working (well mostly) right away.
For those of you who stay with the FR I've got to offer:

- A buzz-fixed GTA02v5, that I bought in November 2008 in Germany.
- A second battery that I got during buzz-fix
- The Power Adapter
- The nice black box it came in

I'll keep the parts that are bug-free, that is the Mini-USB, the Stylus, the 
SD and the Pouch. ;-)

The FR is in good condition since I've never really used it as my daily phone. 
Every try lasted only for a couple of days until it did not answer calls 
anymore, did not wakeup from suspend, lost SMS etc. - you know...

I'd like to receive 100,- EUR for it + Shipping Cost that may apply. I'm 
located in Hungary (Budapest).

Best Regards
  thomas

-- 
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From b0ef at esben-stien.name  Mon Jan  4 18:25:14 2010
From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:25:14 +0100
Subject: GSM Network Time
Message-ID: <87tyv1hjet.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>

Any way to extract the time from the GSM network and have the time set
based on this?. 

Any distro that does this or any tools available?. 

Many phones have this capability. 

It would also be nice to set the time based on GPS, when that is
available, but often when indoors, only GSM works. 

-- 
Esben Stien is b0ef at e     s      a             
         http://www. s     t    n m
          irc://irc.  b  -  i  .   e/%23contact
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           jid:b0ef@    n     n


From b0ef at esben-stien.name  Mon Jan  4 19:03:39 2010
From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:03:39 +0100
Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.1001022314340.8742@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu> (Ken
	Young's message of "Sun\, 3 Jan 2010 01\:10\:39 -0500 \(EST\)")
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.1001022314340.8742@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <87pr5phhms.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>

Ken Young <rtm at cfa.harvard.edu> writes:

> there is really no hope at that a group of people such as the
> gta02-core team, working part time with no large corporate sponsor,
> will ever produce a product with hardware on a par with what the big
> players are contemporaneously offering.

Do you still don't know to never underestimate enthusiasts?. 

-- 
Esben Stien is b0ef at e     s      a             
         http://www. s     t    n m
          irc://irc.  b  -  i  .   e/%23contact
           sip:b0ef@   e     e 
           jid:b0ef@    n     n


From maxious at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 18:29:06 2010
From: maxious at gmail.com (Alex (Maxious) Sadleir)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 04:29:06 +1100
Subject: GSM Network Time
In-Reply-To: <87tyv1hjet.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
References: <87tyv1hjet.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
Message-ID: <1e5d79991001040929q3f1c49f0g57c410f83ce2a563@mail.gmail.com>

SHR already does both (GSM and GPS). You should set the local timezone
- http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Tweaks#Timezone

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Esben Stien <b0ef at esben-stien.name> wrote:
> Any way to extract the time from the GSM network and have the time set
> based on this?.
>
> Any distro that does this or any tools available?.
>
> Many phones have this capability.
>
> It would also be nice to set the time based on GPS, when that is
> available, but often when indoors, only GSM works.
>
> --
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From marc.js.verwerft at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 18:31:18 2010
From: marc.js.verwerft at gmail.com (Marc Verwerft)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:31:18 +0100
Subject: GSM Network Time
In-Reply-To: <87tyv1hjet.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
References: <87tyv1hjet.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
Message-ID: <6a1286fc1001040931u6e892806gf51556a22ce18d1c@mail.gmail.com>

The section about Date/time settings in the SHR wiki from openmoko
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual#Date_and_time says:
"Date and time are automatically set from GPS or Network"

Regards,

Marc

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Esben Stien <b0ef at esben-stien.name> wrote:
> Any way to extract the time from the GSM network and have the time set
> based on this?.
>
> Any distro that does this or any tools available?.
>
> Many phones have this capability.
>
> It would also be nice to set the time based on GPS, when that is
> available, but often when indoors, only GSM works.
>
> --
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> ? ? ? ? http://www. s ? ? t ? ?n m
> ? ? ? ? ?irc://irc. ?b ?- ?i ?. ? e/%23contact
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From jensseidel at users.sf.net  Mon Jan  4 18:25:16 2010
From: jensseidel at users.sf.net (Jens Seidel)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:25:16 +0100
Subject: GSM Network Time
In-Reply-To: <1e5d79991001040929q3f1c49f0g57c410f83ce2a563@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87tyv1hjet.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
	<1e5d79991001040929q3f1c49f0g57c410f83ce2a563@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100104172515.GA20848@merkur.sol.de>

Hi,

(Alex, is it really so hard for you to properly avoid top postings and to
remove useless parts?)

On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 04:29:06AM +1100, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Esben Stien <b0ef at esben-stien.name> wrote:
> > Any way to extract the time from the GSM network and have the time set
> > based on this?.
> >
> > Many phones have this capability.

Really? All phones I know about require me to input the time after I removed
the battery for a longer time.

> > It would also be nice to set the time based on GPS, when that is
> > available, but often when indoors, only GSM works.

GPS in indeed used for synchronisation, but you have to start an
applications such as tangogps first (on SHR).

> SHR already does both (GSM and GPS). You should set the local timezone
> - http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Tweaks#Timezone

As far as I know only the timezone is extracted from GSM. I even read the
source code to guess whether GSM is able to set time but didn't find any
hint.

On SHR also a timeserver is used (requested every 10min IIRC) once you setup
the network.

Jens


From michael_zanetti at gmx.net  Mon Jan  4 18:53:06 2010
From: michael_zanetti at gmx.net (Michael Zanetti)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:53:06 +0100
Subject: Buzz fix (Was: Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your
	Freerunner?)
In-Reply-To: <20100101193503.GA9892@merkur.sol.de>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3E3E5D.60406@hvemder.dk> <20100101193503.GA9892@merkur.sol.de>
Message-ID: <201001041853.09875.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>

On Friday 01 January 2010 20:35:03 Jens Seidel wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 07:26:37PM +0100, Esben Damgaard wrote:
> > Yes and no. I have two Freerunners (and a gta01 that collects dust). One
> > without buzzfix. Using it for testing, programming and playing.
> > Other one with buzzfix and using it as primary phone.
> 
> I'm curious, do you notice any difference between the buzz fixed one and
>  the other? I read that only a few phones are affected by the buzz problem
>  but nearly all (including the buzz fixed ones) have major problems with
>  audio quality (noise, echo).

I own a rev. A5 freerunner and was seriously affected by the buzz problem. 
After applying the hardware fix the audio quality improved a lot. Before the 
fix there was no chance to use the FR as a phone.

However, the audio quality was never as good as on a friends rev A7 FR 
(without buzz-fix).  I did a lot of experimenting and tweaking with all 
possible audio parameters but the volume has always been either too low or 
distorted. He just uses the default audio configs and has nearly no problems 
with sound quality.

> 
> So I wonder whether it's worth to get such a fix.
> 

It is definetly worth it if you, or better said your call partner expierences 
a rather loud buzz. The fix will remove that buzz but won't fix other issues 
like rustling, echo or low volume. Those issues can mostly be addressed with 
software.

Hope that helps,
Michael

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From jan at henkins.za.net  Mon Jan  4 18:38:52 2010
From: jan at henkins.za.net (Jan Henkins)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:38:52 -0000 (GMT)
Subject: FR cannot read uSD cards anymore
Message-ID: <2ea4e89e5ca0c858c6ba576e1bd26a81.squirrel@www.henkins.za.net>

Hello all,

My FR (v5) stopped reading SD cards a few weeks back. I've tested it with
9 uSD cards, 6  known to be good (brand new Kingston and SanDisk 2Gb
cards). I've tried to contact my vendor (Truebox in the UK), but they have
yet to respond. I think the reason for them not responding is that my FR
is just outside it's 1 year warranty period (ended on the 10th of December
2009). Does anybody on this list know what could be done for me to get
this repaired? Sean Moss-Pulz from Openmoko referred me back to Truebox
(understandably so), but I cannot find any obvious place or person to help
out. I live very close to London in the UK.

Any thoughts/comments/help/flames would be welcome, since it would be a
shame to have to stop using this excellent piece of hardware. I've been
having great success with the "new" SHR (both testing and unstable
distros), and also with the latest Android on Freerunner builds. After a
year's playing about was all but ready to throw away my HP Windblowz
phone! Please help me save my FR!

Thanks in advance,

-- 
Regards,
Jan Henkins



From keegiveel at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 19:08:42 2010
From: keegiveel at gmail.com (Margo)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:08:42 +0200
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <bc2d57b41001041008m29e084d2n3ee47b9a179b5d7d@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/4 William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:
> What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there? ?I
> want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ...
>
> The android phones (htc dream?) - none of which are fully functional on
> FSO/SHR (I think), and access through android to the underlying system
> is minimal.
>
> Flow - good but pricy, and unless I am looking at the design wrong,
> there is only one adapter/interface socket so you can have a phone, or a
> GSM device, but not both at the same time.
>
> Nokia n900 - probably the best choice at this time.
>
> What others are available NOW?
>
> BillK
>

The Officer S101 seems interesting:
http://www.road.de/en/handypcs/officer.html
http://blog.hackable1.org/2009/08/running-hackable1-on-the-road-officer-s101.html


From jan at henkins.za.net  Mon Jan  4 19:24:11 2010
From: jan at henkins.za.net (Jan Henkins)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:24:11 -0000 (GMT)
Subject: openmoko io error
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3274.1262620640.14033.community@lists.openmoko.org>
References: <mailman.3274.1262620640.14033.community@lists.openmoko.org>
Message-ID: <e308996070676ed67535114b8eeeafa5.squirrel@www.henkins.za.net>

Hello Roberto,


On Mon, January 4, 2010 15:55, previdi.roberto at gmail.com wrote:
> sometimes, with no particular cause, but always when the phone is in use
> (using gps, or while getting the gsm signal, or while playing mokomaze),
> the image on the screen become corrupted by white horizontal lines, then
> the enlightenment crash window appears, and if i click on the second
> button it shows the console with this error:
>
> [10176.520000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 6478338
> [10176.530000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending status
> command&lt;3&gt;mmcblk0:error -110 sending read/write command, response
> 0x0, card status 0x0[10176.540000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0,
> sector 6478338
> [10176.550000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending status
> command&lt;3&gt;mmcblk0:error -110 sending read/write command, response
> 0x0, card status 0x0[10176.560000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0,
> sector 6478338
> [10176.565000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending status
> command&lt;3&gt;mmcblk0:error -110 sending read/write command, response
> 0x0, card status 0x0[10176.575000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0,
> sector 6478338
> [10176.580000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending status
> command&lt;3&gt;mmcblk0:error -110 sending read/write command, response
> 0x0, card status 0x0[10176.595000] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0,
> sector 6478338
> [10176.600000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending
> statuscommand&lt;3&gt;mmcblk0:error -110 sending read/write command,
> response0x0, card status 0x0[10176.615000] end_request: I/O error, dev
> mmcblk0, sector 6478338
> [10176.615000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending
> statuscommand&lt;3&gt;mmcblk0:error -110 sending read/write command,
> response0x0, card status 0x0[10176.625000] end_request: I/O error, dev
> mmcblk0, sector 6478338
> [10176.635000] mmcblk0: error -110 sending
> statuscommand&lt;3&gt;mmcblk0:error -110 sending read/write command,
> response0x0, card status 0x0
> ... ad libitum
>
> Then, when i reboot the phone it will not find the gsm signal for ages and
> for many reboots.
> Then, eventually it will work again.
>
> is this normal? i tought it seems some electric bug related to the video
> chip and to the gsm chip...

I seem to have a similar issue. In my case my FR does not read SD cards,
and give the same error messages as above until the kernel simply disables
and removes the mmcblk0 device. I seem to remember that at some point
between the v.5 and v.6 hardware, a small resistor was put on to some legs
of the SIM or uSD card reader connections (you should be able to see one
on yours). I have a suspicion that this is what has gone wrong on your FR
as well as mine. Unfortunately this is simply a wild guess from my part, I
do not have the kit or expertise to test this.


-- 
Regards,
Jan Henkins



From info at apertum.it  Mon Jan  4 19:35:15 2010
From: info at apertum.it (-= Apertum =-)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:35:15 +0100
Subject: openmoko io error
In-Reply-To: <e308996070676ed67535114b8eeeafa5.squirrel@www.henkins.za.net>
References: <mailman.3274.1262620640.14033.community@lists.openmoko.org>
	<e308996070676ed67535114b8eeeafa5.squirrel@www.henkins.za.net>
Message-ID: <4B4234E3.4070001@apertum.it>



* Jan Henkins wrote, Il 04/01/2010 19:24:
> Hello Roberto,
>
> I seem to have a similar issue. In my case my FR does not read SD cards,
> and give the same error messages as above until the kernel simply disables
> and removes the mmcblk0 device. I seem to remember that at some point
> between the v.5 and v.6 hardware, a small resistor was put on to some legs
> of the SIM or uSD card reader connections (you should be able to see one
> on yours). I have a suspicion that this is what has gone wrong on your FR
> as well as mine. Unfortunately this is simply a wild guess from my part, I
> do not have the kit or expertise to test this.
>
>   

Me too i have the same issue (i'm V6), never had the chance to boot from
the SD card :-(


-- 
Andrea


From esteban.francisco at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 19:38:00 2010
From: esteban.francisco at gmail.com (Esteban Monge)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:38:00 -0600
Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <a3ff212a1001040631w3d5c143aud8ce0899df3c2878@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8d5d4f30912291234y72b398cs2a9325c654955d86@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B41FA70.1060409@gmail.com>
	<a3ff212a1001040631w3d5c143aud8ce0899df3c2878@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ef378ab31001041038y32c6fd81xd4977f9aa69e8c2b@mail.gmail.com>

Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
Yes
Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
Yes

What distribution you run most of the time?
QtMoko

If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
over to, and why?

Sometime ago I has two phones, a Nokia 5130 and a Nokia 5310, but I think in
the complete change to the clear side of the force, and sold together and
bought another Neo Freerunner for diary use and one for experiments!!!
Actually have one for diary use and for experiments...


Thank you :)
-- 
http://nuevaeracr.blogspot.com
Linux user number 478378
Linux machine number 386687
Tec. Esteban Monge Mar?n
Tel: (506) 8379-3562

?No habr? manera de desarrollarnos y salir de
la pobreza mientras los pocos negocios
grandes de nuestro medio se entreguen a las
econom?as for?neas y nosotros nos
quedemos con solo negocios de pobre,
mientras en vez de ser propietarios de nuestro
propio pa?s nos convirtamos en un ej?rcito de
empleados del exterior?
Jos? Figueres Ferrer, 1952.
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From mickey at vanille-media.de  Mon Jan  4 19:41:03 2010
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:41:03 +0100
Subject: GSM Network Time
In-Reply-To: <87tyv1hjet.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
References: <87tyv1hjet.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
Message-ID: <1262630463.2920.9.camel@opal>

Am Montag, den 04.01.2010, 18:25 +0100 schrieb Esben Stien:
> Any way to extract the time from the GSM network and have the time set
> based on this?

FSO contains support for that but so far I have not managed to receive a
single NITZ report anywhere in the world. Might be a Calypso problem,
then again only very few providers support NITZ reports in the first
place. Timezone support is rare, but actual time support is extremely
rare.

:M:



From mickey at vanille-media.de  Mon Jan  4 19:42:43 2010
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:42:43 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <bc2d57b41001041008m29e084d2n3ee47b9a179b5d7d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<bc2d57b41001041008m29e084d2n3ee47b9a179b5d7d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1262630563.2920.11.camel@opal>

Am Montag, den 04.01.2010, 20:08 +0200 schrieb Margo:
> The Officer S101 seems interesting:
> http://www.road.de/en/handypcs/officer.html
> http://blog.hackable1.org/2009/08/running-hackable1-on-the-road-officer-s101.html

Unfortunately it has been "just around the corner and almost out" for
about 5 years now and the scheduled price tag when it actually comes out
(of which I'm not convinced) will be way more than a N900 -- I doubt
that it will spread wide that way :/

:M:



From rusolis at poczta.fm  Mon Jan  4 20:08:11 2010
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:08:11 +0100
Subject: SHR unresponsiveness
In-Reply-To: <1261911757.709.39.camel@andromeda>
References: <8b48b1570912270140q7371f947r9eaffef0190b0f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<1261911757.709.39.camel@andromeda>
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2009/12/27 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <mickey at vanille-media.de>

> What is [h]top telling?
>
> :M:
>
>
It has happened again, this time with wifi turned off (never touched it
after booting), but with tangogps downloading map tiles connected through
the usb. I turned off my laptop, so it might have lost connection while
still downloading. I left it for a few hours, and it was completely
unresponsive, with the blue led still on after I removed the usb cable.
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From ifindleton at videotron.ca  Mon Jan  4 20:03:28 2010
From: ifindleton at videotron.ca (Iain B. FIndleton)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:03:28 -0500
Subject: [SHR-U] Wifi?
Message-ID: <4B423B80.8050709@videotron.ca>

After many spent hours trying to get wifi and bluetooth up and running 
on SHR-U, I am about to conclude that these features just do not
work.

Wifi, after doing the bind and module reload things, works for about 10 
pings, then appears to just stop, hanging the USB connection as well.

Bluetooth, after trying to install bluez4 and encountering installation 
errors relating to lack of the bluetooth file in init.d, appears to do 
absolutely nothing. The mokonnect application is pretty useless to me 
for some reason, and the settings app appears to not set anything.

Anybody actually have reliable bluetooth and/or wifi working on the 
SHR-U using the .29 kernel from last December?

If so, what is the formula?


From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 20:19:21 2010
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:19:21 +0100
Subject: [SHR-U] Wifi?
In-Reply-To: <4B423B80.8050709@videotron.ca>
References: <4B423B80.8050709@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <c30e08171001041119k4ca9c1a0wd5aafec3b9d2a0b@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 20:03, Iain B. FIndleton <ifindleton at videotron.ca> wrote:
> After many spent hours trying to get wifi and bluetooth up and running
> on SHR-U, I am about to conclude that these features just do not
> work.
>
> Wifi, after doing the bind and module reload things, works for about 10
> pings, then appears to just stop, hanging the USB connection as well.
>
> Bluetooth, after trying to install bluez4 and encountering installation
> errors relating to lack of the bluetooth file in init.d, appears to do
> absolutely nothing. The mokonnect application is pretty useless to me
> for some reason, and the settings app appears to not set anything.
>
> Anybody actually have reliable bluetooth and/or wifi working on the
> SHR-U using the .29 kernel from last December?
>
> If so, what is the formula?

I didn't try bluetooth, but WiFi just works here with plain
wpa_supplicant, with open, WPA and WEP networks.
When signal is weak, "wmiconfig -i eth0 --power maxperf" is sometimes
very helpful.

-- 
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
dos


From vanous at penguin.cz  Mon Jan  4 21:18:04 2010
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:18:04 +0100
Subject: Navigation
References: <1260385329576-4141297.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1262540441857-4246609.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <20100104211804.577c1edd@vanek.robe.cz>

hi,

>If you want to look at progress, here is first version of MC Navi:
>http://www.mikecrash.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&id=116
>
>Currently not for usage, only as preview for Debian users.

downloaded the packages on my laptop:

vanous at vanek:/tmp$ ./osm2mcmap
bash: ./osm2mcmap: cannot execute binary file

vanous at vanek:/tmp$ strace ./osm2mcmap

execve("./osm2mcmap", ["./osm2mcmap"], [/* 38 vars */]) = -1 ENOEXEC
(Exec format error) dup(2)                                  = 3
fcntl64(3, F_GETFL)                     = 0x8002 (flags
O_RDWR|O_LARGEFILE) fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFCHR|0620,
st_rdev=makedev(136, 3), ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096,
PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb803e000
_llseek(3, 0, 0xbfb4d7d0, SEEK_CUR)     = -1 ESPIPE (Illegal seek)
write(3, "strace: exec: Exec format error\n", 32strace: exec: Exec
format error ) = 32 close(3)                                = 0
munmap(0xb803e000, 4096)                = 0
exit_group(1)                           = ?


i get the same with the mcnavi

i get mcnavi trying to run on latest shr-u, but as i cannot convert
the map, i get:

# ./mcnavi
Cannot open map

sources would help to get the converter running...

cheers

Petr




From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Mon Jan  4 21:43:22 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:43:22 +0000
Subject: Navigation
In-Reply-To: <26fea52c1001040317rbb51ba2mf8f8ea951f794d2d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1260385329576-4141297.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1262540441857-4246609.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<49dd78621001030951x22cb3823peadc0c60e22a7347@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262555262091-4247408.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<26fea52c1001040317rbb51ba2mf8f8ea951f794d2d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49dd78621001041243p78a7c5a6wbcef7521db141149@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/4 Yorick Moko <yorickmoko at gmail.com>:
> c'mon,
> you know he meant well

Yes indeed.  I apologize for raising this issue on Mike's thread; I
should have started a new thread and so not have singled out Mike in
particular.

Best wishes,
        Neil


From davide.lanza at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 21:45:54 2010
From: davide.lanza at gmail.com (daide)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:45:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [QtMOko] Arora's problem and v.16
Message-ID: <1262637954298-4252007.post@n2.nabble.com>


Thank you Radek for your good/hard work!
QtMoko v.16 is very very fast, user friendly and it's the best stuff on
frerunner in my opinion...
But I have a problem with arora and v.16.
Arora crashes after few seconds of use(always!)
I think it is a regression because I rember this issue some releases ago
with QtMoko and 2.6.29 and then.... it was fixed.

how can I fix it again?

DL 
-- 
View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/QtMOko-Arora-s-problem-and-v-16-tp4252007p4252007.html
Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.


From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Mon Jan  4 21:47:13 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:47:13 +0000
Subject: [SHR-U] Wifi?
In-Reply-To: <c30e08171001041119k4ca9c1a0wd5aafec3b9d2a0b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B423B80.8050709@videotron.ca>
	<c30e08171001041119k4ca9c1a0wd5aafec3b9d2a0b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49dd78621001041247m60e559f5jfe091e2b3054da89@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/4 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak <seba.dos1 at gmail.com>:
>
> I didn't try bluetooth, but WiFi just works here with plain
> wpa_supplicant, with open, WPA and WEP networks.

Is "plain wpa_supplicant" the default SHR setup?  Last time I checked,
I thought it wasn't.  I've always wondered why not, as none of the
other options (Mofi, wicd etc.) have ever worked as well for me as
plain wpa_supplicant.

Regards,
        Neil


From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Mon Jan  4 22:02:30 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:02:30 +0000
Subject: Experimental technique for testing call audio quality?
Message-ID: <49dd78621001041302g2ac85363x371258962a3f36d0@mail.gmail.com>


From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Mon Jan  4 22:19:10 2010
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-1?q?R=FCb?=)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:19:10 +0100
Subject: [SHR-U] Wifi?
In-Reply-To: <49dd78621001041247m60e559f5jfe091e2b3054da89@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B423B80.8050709@videotron.ca>
	<c30e08171001041119k4ca9c1a0wd5aafec3b9d2a0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<49dd78621001041247m60e559f5jfe091e2b3054da89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001042219.11187.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

> > I didn't try bluetooth, but WiFi just works here with plain
> > wpa_supplicant, with open, WPA and WEP networks.
> 
> Is "plain wpa_supplicant" the default SHR setup?  Last time I checked,
> I thought it wasn't.  I've always wondered why not, as none of the
> other options (Mofi, wicd etc.) have ever worked as well for me as
> plain wpa_supplicant.


+1 for plain wpa_supplicant in SHR
I tried several GUIs but none of them was sufficient - now I use wpa_supplicant (in roaming mode with config file, not dbus) and wpa_gui to configure my wpa_supplicant.conf.

Plain wpa_supplicant has been working for me for many months now (no encryption, WPA(2) PSK, WEP).

Christian


From openmoko at netapps.com.au  Mon Jan  4 22:23:57 2010
From: openmoko at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:23:57 +1100
Subject: [SHR-U] Wifi?
In-Reply-To: <201001042219.11187.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
References: <4B423B80.8050709@videotron.ca>
	<c30e08171001041119k4ca9c1a0wd5aafec3b9d2a0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<49dd78621001041247m60e559f5jfe091e2b3054da89@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001042219.11187.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20100105082357.729062c1@michael>

On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:19:10 +0100
Christian R?b <christian.rueb at gmx.net> wrote:

> +1 for plain wpa_supplicant in SHR
> I tried several GUIs but none of them was sufficient - now I use wpa_supplicant (in roaming mode with config file, not dbus) and wpa_gui to configure my wpa_supplicant.conf.
> 
> Plain wpa_supplicant has been working for me for many months now (no encryption, WPA(2) PSK, WEP).

Can you post a quick howto here on how you do that?

Thanks.
-- 
Michael Smith
Network Applications
www.netapps.com.au   | +61 (0) 416 062 898
Web Hosting          | Internet Services


From vanous at penguin.cz  Mon Jan  4 22:35:24 2010
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:35:24 +0100
Subject: [SHR-U] Wifi?
References: <4B423B80.8050709@videotron.ca>
	<c30e08171001041119k4ca9c1a0wd5aafec3b9d2a0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<49dd78621001041247m60e559f5jfe091e2b3054da89@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001042219.11187.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<20100105082357.729062c1@michael>
Message-ID: <20100104223524.607da36e@vanek.robe.cz>

>> Plain wpa_supplicant has been working for me for many months now (no
>> encryption, WPA(2) PSK, WEP).
>
>Can you post a quick howto here on how you do that?

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/WiFi#Using_wpa_supplicant_manually

P.



From baba_melone at yahoo.de  Mon Jan  4 22:35:55 2010
From: baba_melone at yahoo.de (hab keen oh ne)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:35:55 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: New project openmokontrol
Message-ID: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi community,
I just published a new project called openmokontrol. Im using a TCP/IP connection to any X server to control it with the fr's accelerometers, mainly for games ;). Maybe I will create a video for a short demonstration soon, let's see. It uses the X Test extension to send input events to the connected X server. Try playing Live for Speed (www.lfs.net) with it, its awesome. Here some links:
http://www.opkg.org/package_322.html
http://code.google.com/p/openmokontrol/
http://code.google.com/p/openmokontrol/wiki/Using
I didn't manage to install the ipk file on my SHR run freerunner, I always get the following error:
*** glibc detected *** opkg: free(): invalid next size (normal): 0x00ba6500 ***
Aborted
I don't get the error when Im installing the package to my toolchain, so I think it is SHR's problem, not the problem of a corrupted ipk file, is that right? If not, Id appreciate hints how to get rid of this error.
Greetings, Martin.


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From openmoko at netapps.com.au  Mon Jan  4 22:46:22 2010
From: openmoko at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:46:22 +1100
Subject: [SHR-U] Wifi?
In-Reply-To: <20100104223524.607da36e@vanek.robe.cz>
References: <4B423B80.8050709@videotron.ca>
	<c30e08171001041119k4ca9c1a0wd5aafec3b9d2a0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<49dd78621001041247m60e559f5jfe091e2b3054da89@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001042219.11187.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<20100105082357.729062c1@michael>
	<20100104223524.607da36e@vanek.robe.cz>
Message-ID: <20100105084622.44306608@michael>

On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:35:24 +0100
Petr Vanek <vanous at penguin.cz> wrote:

> >> Plain wpa_supplicant has been working for me for many months now (no
> >> encryption, WPA(2) PSK, WEP).
> >
> >Can you post a quick howto here on how you do that?
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/WiFi#Using_wpa_supplicant_manually

Okay thanks. I am thinking that it should be possible to put most of that procedure into a package, with a launcher icon to initiate the process.
-- 
Michael Smith
Network Applications
www.netapps.com.au   | +61 (0) 416 062 898
Web Hosting          | Internet Services


From vanous at penguin.cz  Mon Jan  4 23:01:03 2010
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:01:03 +0100
Subject: [SHR-U] Wifi?
References: <4B423B80.8050709@videotron.ca>
	<c30e08171001041119k4ca9c1a0wd5aafec3b9d2a0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<49dd78621001041247m60e559f5jfe091e2b3054da89@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001042219.11187.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<20100105082357.729062c1@michael>
	<20100104223524.607da36e@vanek.robe.cz>
	<20100105084622.44306608@michael>
Message-ID: <20100104230103.26f79e11@vanek.robe.cz>


>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/WiFi#Using_wpa_supplicant_manually
>
>Okay thanks. I am thinking that it should be possible to put most of
>that procedure into a package, with a launcher icon to initiate the


i myself use iwconfig (the dbus methods just don't work for me...),
but it would not be too hard to bend this script [1] to use
wpa_suplicant

P.

[1] http://www.opkg.org/package_315.html



From dscaini at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 23:05:19 2010
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:05:19 +0100
Subject: Buzz fix (Was: Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your
	Freerunner?)
In-Reply-To: <201001041853.09875.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4B3E3E5D.60406@hvemder.dk> <20100101193503.GA9892@merkur.sol.de> 
	<201001041853.09875.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
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On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Michael Zanetti <michael_zanetti at gmx.net>wrote:

> On Friday 01 January 2010 20:35:03 Jens Seidel wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 07:26:37PM +0100, Esben Damgaard wrote:
> > > Yes and no. I have two Freerunners (and a gta01 that collects dust).
> One
> > > without buzzfix. Using it for testing, programming and playing.
> > > Other one with buzzfix and using it as primary phone.
> >
> > I'm curious, do you notice any difference between the buzz fixed one and
> >  the other? I read that only a few phones are affected by the buzz
> problem
> >  but nearly all (including the buzz fixed ones) have major problems with
> >  audio quality (noise, echo).
>
> I own a rev. A5 freerunner and was seriously affected by the buzz problem.
> After applying the hardware fix the audio quality improved a lot. Before
> the
> fix there was no chance to use the FR as a phone.
>
> However, the audio quality was never as good as on a friends rev A7 FR
> (without buzz-fix).  I did a lot of experimenting and tweaking with all
> possible audio parameters but the volume has always been either too low or
> distorted. He just uses the default audio configs and has nearly no
> problems
> with sound quality.
>
> >
> > So I wonder whether it's worth to get such a fix.
> >
>
> It is definetly worth it if you, or better said your call partner
> expierences
> a rather loud buzz. The fix will remove that buzz but won't fix other
> issues
> like rustling, echo or low volume. Those issues can mostly be addressed
> with
> software.
>

" The fix will remove that buzz but won't fix other issues
like rustling, echo or low volume. Those issues can mostly be addressed with
software. "
The same happened to me, but i didn't find a viable software cnfiguration to
use the fr as a phone. What about you? I'm really looking forward to replace
my nokia N70 with fr for calls...
d


> Hope that helps,
> Michael
>
>
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From dscaini at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 23:11:00 2010
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:11:00 +0100
Subject: Navigation
In-Reply-To: <49dd78621001041243p78a7c5a6wbcef7521db141149@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Neil Jerram <neiljerram at googlemail.com>wrote:

> 2010/1/4 Yorick Moko <yorickmoko at gmail.com>:
> > c'mon,
> > you know he meant well
>
> Yes indeed.  I apologize for raising this issue on Mike's thread; I
> should have started a new thread and so not have singled out Mike in
> particular.
>
> Best wishes,
>         Neil
>
>
just my 2c: maybe you confuse free software with open source software and
viceversa...
Mike releases his software as free software now... maybe late as an open
source one.
But that's not the topic.
Keep on going guys!
d


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From info at apertum.it  Mon Jan  4 23:17:29 2010
From: info at apertum.it (-= Apertum =-)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 23:17:29 +0100
Subject: Buzz fix (Was: Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using
	your	Freerunner?)
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* Davide Scaini wrote, Il 04/01/2010 23:05:
>
> " The fix will remove that buzz but won't fix other issues
> like rustling, echo or low volume. Those issues can mostly be
> addressed with
> software. "
> The same happened to me, but i didn't find a viable software
> cnfiguration to use the fr as a phone. What about you? I'm really
> looking forward to replace my nokia N70 with fr for calls...
>

I agree.

Me too i have especially the "low volume" problem (i'm with QtMoko). I
tried everything via mixer software, but without any success: phone
calls are always with tiny volume, in an open space or also in a car,
it's really difficult to ear the call. My phone it's a V6 release and
without any buzzfix.

Any suggestion?

-- 
Andrea


From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Mon Jan  4 23:18:22 2010
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-1?q?R=FCb?=)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:18:22 +0100
Subject: [SHR-U] Wifi?
In-Reply-To: <20100104223524.607da36e@vanek.robe.cz>
References: <4B423B80.8050709@videotron.ca> <20100105082357.729062c1@michael>
	<20100104223524.607da36e@vanek.robe.cz>
Message-ID: <201001042318.22695.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

> >> Plain wpa_supplicant has been working for me for many months now (no
> >> encryption, WPA(2) PSK, WEP).
> >
> >Can you post a quick howto here on how you do that?
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/WiFi#Using_wpa_supplicant_manually
> 
> P.

I use it in conjunction with a wpa_action script (from Debian), so also IP configuration depends on the wireless network and does not have to be dhcp always.
Setting a lower metric for your default gateway on USB (e.g. 100) also makes your traffic go through wireless and not USB...

Once configured, all you have to do is turn wifi on and off...

I have a README and scripts tared here:
http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-new-unstable/wpa-roaming.tar
http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-new-unstable/wpa-roaming.README

Christian


From vanous at penguin.cz  Mon Jan  4 23:20:45 2010
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:20:45 +0100
Subject: New project openmokontrol
References: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100104232045.11ac5da8@vanek.robe.cz>

>I just published a new project called openmokontrol. Im using a TCP/IP
>connection to any X server to control it with the fr's accelerometers,
>mainly for games ;). Maybe I will create a video for a short

great! thank you.

>http://code.google.com/p/openmokontrol/wiki/Using I didn't manage to
>install the ipk file on my SHR run freerunner, I always get the
>following error: *** glibc detected *** opkg: free(): invalid next
>size (normal): 0x00ba6500 *** Aborted I don't get the error when Im
>installing the package to my toolchain, so I think it is SHR's
>problem, not the problem of a corrupted ipk file, is that right? If
>not, Id appreciate hints how to get rid of this error. Greetings,
>Martin.

the ipk look a bit suspicious to me but extracting manually did the
job, all is running well on shr-u. i don't know lfs but tux racer
(extreme tux racer - etracer in debian) was great for testing. :)

i think now it sends only left-right with arrows? later up/down for
speeding/slowing would be great too :)

cheers

Petr




From baba_melone at yahoo.de  Mon Jan  4 23:27:35 2010
From: baba_melone at yahoo.de (hab keen oh ne)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:27:35 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: AW: New project openmokontrol
In-Reply-To: <20100104232045.11ac5da8@vanek.robe.cz>
References: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<20100104232045.11ac5da8@vanek.robe.cz>
Message-ID: <135216.9492.qm@web26308.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

You mean the mouse cursor? Tux racer can be controlled with mouse cursors?
If you mean the Up/Down keys, they should be controllable, too. Make sure the 
usb port is upside, now you can bend it forwards, so the display is coming up.
Now the Up Key should be pressed. Bend it backwards and the Back key should
react.




________________________________
Von: Petr Vanek <vanous at penguin.cz>
An: community at lists.openmoko.org
Gesendet: Montag, den 4. Januar 2010, 23:20:45 Uhr
Betreff: Re: New project openmokontrol

>I just published a new project called openmokontrol. Im using a TCP/IP
>connection to any X server to control it with the fr's accelerometers,
>mainly for games ;). Maybe I will create a video for a short

great! thank you.

>http://code.google.com/p/openmokontrol/wiki/Using I didn't manage to
>install the ipk file on my SHR run freerunner, I always get the
>following error: *** glibc detected *** opkg: free(): invalid next
>size (normal): 0x00ba6500 *** Aborted I don't get the error when Im
>installing the package to my toolchain, so I think it is SHR's
>problem, not the problem of a corrupted ipk file, is that right? If
>not, Id appreciate hints how to get rid of this error. Greetings,
>Martin.

the ipk look a bit suspicious to me but extracting manually did the
job, all is running well on shr-u. i don't know lfs but tux racer
(extreme tux racer - etracer in debian) was great for testing. :)

i think now it sends only left-right with arrows? later up/down for
speeding/slowing would be great too :)

cheers

Petr



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From vanous at penguin.cz  Mon Jan  4 23:25:57 2010
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:25:57 +0100
Subject: New project openmokontrol
References: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<20100104232045.11ac5da8@vanek.robe.cz>
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>i think now it sends only left-right with arrows? later up/down for
>speeding/slowing would be great too :)

it certainly does send up and down, now i can see, still need to
practice a bit more :)

P. 



From baba_melone at yahoo.de  Mon Jan  4 23:31:19 2010
From: baba_melone at yahoo.de (hab keen oh ne)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:31:19 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: New project openmokontrol
In-Reply-To: <20100104232045.11ac5da8@vanek.robe.cz>
References: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<20100104232045.11ac5da8@vanek.robe.cz>
Message-ID: <821165.13440.qm@web26301.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

I just replaced the ipk file, now it installs under SHR.
Just redownload it from google code or opkg.org.




________________________________
Von: Petr Vanek <vanous at penguin.cz>
An: community at lists.openmoko.org
Gesendet: Montag, den 4. Januar 2010, 23:20:45 Uhr
Betreff: Re: New project openmokontrol

>I just published a new project called openmokontrol. Im using a TCP/IP
>connection to any X server to control it with the fr's accelerometers,
>mainly for games ;). Maybe I will create a video for a short

great! thank you.

>http://code.google.com/p/openmokontrol/wiki/Using I didn't manage to
>install the ipk file on my SHR run freerunner, I always get the
>following error: *** glibc detected *** opkg: free(): invalid next
>size (normal): 0x00ba6500 *** Aborted I don't get the error when Im
>installing the package to my toolchain, so I think it is SHR's
>problem, not the problem of a corrupted ipk file, is that right? If
>not, Id appreciate hints how to get rid of this error. Greetings,
>Martin.

the ipk look a bit suspicious to me but extracting manually did the
job, all is running well on shr-u. i don't know lfs but tux racer
(extreme tux racer - etracer in debian) was great for testing. :)

i think now it sends only left-right with arrows? later up/down for
speeding/slowing would be great too :)

cheers

Petr



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From vanous at penguin.cz  Mon Jan  4 23:39:15 2010
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:39:15 +0100
Subject: New project openmokontrol
References: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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	<135216.9492.qm@web26308.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100104233915.31003b4c@vanek.robe.cz>

>You mean the mouse cursor? Tux racer can be controlled with mouse
>cursors? If you mean the Up/Down keys, they should be controllable,
>too. Make sure the usb port is upside, now you can bend it forwards,
>so the display is coming up. Now the Up Key should be pressed. Bend it
>backwards and the Back key should react.

yeah, it works great with tux racer. but i better head to bed
now, work tomorrow :)

thank you
Petr



From rusolis at poczta.fm  Tue Jan  5 00:06:30 2010
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 00:06:30 +0100
Subject: New project openmokontrol
In-Reply-To: <20100104232045.11ac5da8@vanek.robe.cz>
References: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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2010/1/4 Petr Vanek <vanous at penguin.cz>

>
> i think now it sends only left-right with arrows? later up/down for
> speeding/slowing would be great too :)
>
>
It would be cool if it were used as a joystick. Can you make fake joystick
events in Xorg?
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From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 00:18:19 2010
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 00:18:19 +0100
Subject: Navigation
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On 1/4/10, Davide Scaini <dscaini at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Neil Jerram
> <neiljerram at googlemail.com>wrote:
>
>> 2010/1/4 Yorick Moko <yorickmoko at gmail.com>:
>> > c'mon,
>> > you know he meant well
>>
>> Yes indeed.  I apologize for raising this issue on Mike's thread; I
>> should have started a new thread and so not have singled out Mike in
>> particular.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>         Neil
>>
>>
> just my 2c: maybe you confuse free software with open source software and
> viceversa...
> Mike releases his software as free software now... maybe late as an open
> source one.
> But that's not the topic.
> Keep on going guys!
> d
>
>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>

I think you're now confusing free software with freeware. Free
software app has to be open source (but not in opposite way -
 freeware and open source apps not always are free software)

What he did is freeware. Open source could be when I'd be able to look
at source, and free software would be when I'd be able to do with that
source what I want.

Remember, in "free software" term free means freedom, not free beer
(as in freeware) :P

-- 
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
dos


From billk at iinet.net.au  Tue Jan  5 00:30:28 2010
From: billk at iinet.net.au (W.Kenworthy)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 07:30:28 +0800
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <bc2d57b41001041008m29e084d2n3ee47b9a179b5d7d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<bc2d57b41001041008m29e084d2n3ee47b9a179b5d7d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1262647828.25671.0.camel@bunyip.localdomain>

This is one I was not aware of - looks nice but its still not 3G capable


BillK


On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 20:08 +0200, Margo wrote:
> 2010/1/4 William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:
> > What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there?  I
> > want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ...
> >
> > The android phones (htc dream?) - none of which are fully functional on
> > FSO/SHR (I think), and access through android to the underlying system
> > is minimal.
> >
> > Flow - good but pricy, and unless I am looking at the design wrong,
> > there is only one adapter/interface socket so you can have a phone, or a
> > GSM device, but not both at the same time.
> >
> > Nokia n900 - probably the best choice at this time.
> >
> > What others are available NOW?
> >
> > BillK
> >
> 
> The Officer S101 seems interesting:
> http://www.road.de/en/handypcs/officer.html
> http://blog.hackable1.org/2009/08/running-hackable1-on-the-road-officer-s101.html
> 
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From billk at iinet.net.au  Tue Jan  5 00:54:17 2010
From: billk at iinet.net.au (W.Kenworthy)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 07:54:17 +0800
Subject: GSM Network Time
In-Reply-To: <6a1286fc1001040931u6e892806gf51556a22ce18d1c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87tyv1hjet.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
	<6a1286fc1001040931u6e892806gf51556a22ce18d1c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1262649257.25671.6.camel@bunyip.localdomain>

Not quite - it should be "if available" - network time is not part of
the base GSM standard but an extension which many (most?) networks done
use.  The zone is part of the standard, but if your provider crosses
multi timezones as here in australia, you might not be able to properly
use it.

Beware using the default time server for network time - in europe it
might be ok, but it has jitter and offset here in australia at times -
set it to a local timeserver in /etc/frameworkd.conf.

Time keeping has improved a lot, but I still find I connect to a network
or use GPS once a day to make sure it stays on time.

BillK



On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 18:31 +0100, Marc Verwerft wrote:
> The section about Date/time settings in the SHR wiki from openmoko
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual#Date_and_time says:
> "Date and time are automatically set from GPS or Network"
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Marc
> 
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Esben Stien <b0ef at esben-stien.name> wrote:
> > Any way to extract the time from the GSM network and have the time set
> > based on this?.
> >
> > Any distro that does this or any tools available?.
> >
> > Many phones have this capability.
> >
> > It would also be nice to set the time based on GPS, when that is
> > available, but often when indoors, only GSM works.
> >
> > --
> > Esben Stien is b0ef at e     s      a
> >         http://www. s     t    n m
> >          irc://irc.  b  -  i  .   e/%23contact
> >           sip:b0ef@   e     e
> >           jid:b0ef@    n     n
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
> 
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From gb at bsdmn.com  Tue Jan  5 02:11:14 2010
From: gb at bsdmn.com (Gennady Kupava)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 01:11:14 -0000
Subject: New project openmokontrol
In-Reply-To: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1286243705.27437.10.camel@work.bsdmn.ru>

? ???, 04/01/2010 ? 21:35 +0000, hab keen oh ne ?????:
> Hi community,
> I just published a new project called openmokontrol. Im using a TCP/IP
> connection to any X server to control it with the fr's accelerometers,
> mainly for games ;). Maybe I will create a video for a short
> demonstration soon, let's see. It uses the X Test extension to send
> input events to the connected X server. Try playing Live for Speed
> (www.lfs.net) with it, its awesome. Here some links:
> http://www.opkg.org/package_322.html
> http://code.google.com/p/openmokontrol/
> http://code.google.com/p/openmokontrol/wiki/Using
> I didn't manage to install the ipk file on my SHR run freerunner, I
> always get the following error:
> *** glibc detected *** opkg: free(): invalid next size (normal):
> 0x00ba6500 ***
> Aborted
> I don't get the error when Im installing the package to my toolchain,
> so I think it is SHR's problem, not the problem of a corrupted ipk
> file, is that right? If not, Id appreciate hints how to get rid of
> this error.
> Greetings, Martin.

Hi, Martin.

I just wanted to do some similar experiment (in a bit other way than
NIDE and remoko), so I download your code to check it out. I compiled it
for debian, noticed several problems:

1. missing makefile, had to build it with g++ *cc -o kontrol -Iaux
-lXtst

2. missing #include <sys/time.h> in accs.cc.

and finally, didn't understand how to use it in 'normal' mode. my server
connection is ok (I can run xterm on FR with DISPLAY set to host), but
nothing happens on host with mouse pointer then I am running application
on freerunner.

Gennady



From denis.johnson at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 05:24:03 2010
From: denis.johnson at gmail.com (Denis Johnson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:24:03 +1000
Subject: New project openmokontrol
In-Reply-To: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20607da11001042024x6aaa3542td0bf6a0ac2347f3f@mail.gmail.com>

Great work, thanks for this.

At the risk of straying somewhat off topic, I would love to have an
app on the FR to allow me to use the FR as a remote control for my
MythTV front-end albeit accelerometers not really needed, although
some gestures could be useful down the track.

Does anyone know if there is something already available which I could
get going on the FR ? The following thread
   http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5045&highlight=wifi
talks of mythwifi and I know mythtv supports a telnet interface but
all a little out of my depth

cheers Denis

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 7:35 AM, hab keen oh ne <baba_melone at yahoo.de> wrote:
> Hi community,
> I just published a new project called openmokontrol. Im using a TCP/IP
> connection to any X server to control it with the fr's accelerometers,
> mainly for games ;)


From denis.johnson at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 05:39:26 2010
From: denis.johnson at gmail.com (Denis Johnson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:39:26 +1000
Subject: GSM Network Time
In-Reply-To: <1262649257.25671.6.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
References: <87tyv1hjet.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
	<6a1286fc1001040931u6e892806gf51556a22ce18d1c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262649257.25671.6.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20607da11001042039m11e1d3f6w876d212de0c8ebb0@mail.gmail.com>

Just as a data point, I have checked the default settings in shr-t but
I know I have to use the date command in an ssh session to get date
and time set correctly and also do a hardware sync. Strangely it seems
to keep the time until I re-connect via usb and ssh in, from there the
time goes out.

I am also in Aus (Qld) on savytel (vodafone) network.

Obviously I need to investigate further.

cheers Denis

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:54 AM, W.Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> wrote:
> Not quite - it should be "if available" - network time is not part of
> the base GSM standard but an extension which many (most?) networks done
> use. ?The zone is part of the standard, but if your provider crosses
> multi timezones as here in australia, you might not be able to properly
> use it.
>
> Beware using the default time server for network time - in europe it
> might be ok, but it has jitter and offset here in australia at times -
> set it to a local timeserver in /etc/frameworkd.conf.
>
> Time keeping has improved a lot, but I still find I connect to a network
> or use GPS once a day to make sure it stays on time.
>
> BillK
>
>
>
> On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 18:31 +0100, Marc Verwerft wrote:
>> The section about Date/time settings in the SHR wiki from openmoko
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual#Date_and_time says:
>> "Date and time are automatically set from GPS or Network"
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Esben Stien <b0ef at esben-stien.name> wrote:
>> > Any way to extract the time from the GSM network and have the time set
>> > based on this?.
>> >
>> > Any distro that does this or any tools available?.
>> >
>> > Many phones have this capability.
>> >
>> > It would also be nice to set the time based on GPS, when that is
>> > available, but often when indoors, only GSM works.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Esben Stien is b0ef at e ? ? s ? ? ?a
>> > ? ? ? ? http://www. s ? ? t ? ?n m
>> > ? ? ? ? ?irc://irc. ?b ?- ?i ?. ? e/%23contact
>> > ? ? ? ? ? sip:b0ef@ ? e ? ? e
>> > ? ? ? ? ? jid:b0ef@ ? ?n ? ? n
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Openmoko community mailing list
>> > community at lists.openmoko.org
>> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From nicola.mfb at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 06:13:46 2010
From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:13:46 +0100
Subject: New project openmokontrol
In-Reply-To: <20607da11001042024x6aaa3542td0bf6a0ac2347f3f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<20607da11001042024x6aaa3542td0bf6a0ac2347f3f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <359c5481001042113x53341c1xd1afcd65b3b9b340@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Denis Johnson <denis.johnson at gmail.com> wrote:
> Great work, thanks for this.
>
> At the risk of straying somewhat off topic, I would love to have an
> app on the FR to allow me to use the FR as a remote control for my
> MythTV front-end albeit accelerometers not really needed, although
> some gestures could be useful down the track.
>
> Does anyone know if there is something already available which I could
> get going on the FR ? The following thread

[...]

You may try

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NIDE/NIDED

Regards

      Niko


From denis.johnson at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 06:30:09 2010
From: denis.johnson at gmail.com (Denis Johnson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:30:09 +1000
Subject: New project openmokontrol
In-Reply-To: <359c5481001042113x53341c1xd1afcd65b3b9b340@mail.gmail.com>
References: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<20607da11001042024x6aaa3542td0bf6a0ac2347f3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<359c5481001042113x53341c1xd1afcd65b3b9b340@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20607da11001042130m163ea911pd10cbebfd92893ff@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds perfect !! you have me salivating, many thanks for the link and
prompt response... something to play with tonight :-)

cheers Denis

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Nicola Mfb <nicola.mfb at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Denis Johnson <denis.johnson at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Great work, thanks for this.
>>
>> At the risk of straying somewhat off topic, I would love to have an
>> app on the FR to allow me to use the FR as a remote control for my
>> MythTV front-end albeit accelerometers not really needed, although
>> some gestures could be useful down the track.
>>
>> Does anyone know if there is something already available which I could
>> get going on the FR ? The following thread
>
> [...]
>
> You may try
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NIDE/NIDED
>
> Regards
>
> ? ? ?Niko


From billk at iinet.net.au  Tue Jan  5 07:22:55 2010
From: billk at iinet.net.au (Bill Kenworthy)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:22:55 +0800
Subject: GSM Network Time
In-Reply-To: <20607da11001042039m11e1d3f6w876d212de0c8ebb0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87tyv1hjet.fsf@quasar.esben-stien.name>
	<6a1286fc1001040931u6e892806gf51556a22ce18d1c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262649257.25671.6.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
	<20607da11001042039m11e1d3f6w876d212de0c8ebb0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1262672575.14286.27.camel@troll>

I am also on vodafone (Perth).  I have not checked zoneinfo recently ,
but time is never sent.  At one point Perth was in the eastern states
zone for vodafone which was ... odd.  I get a lot of:
"2010.01.05 13:57:53.619 otimed               INFO     GSM: multiple
zones found" messages in the framework log, but not sure what they mean.

If your routing is ok, the FR will try and set its time via the european
server, which is pretty flaky - I use a local server and that works fine
over usb and wifi - set it in frameworkd.conf.  The time must be within
some undefined (I cant find what it is) window before network time will
set it - if its too far out it will silently fail.  GSM time will work
regardless.

Make sure that your timezone and localtime files are ok (and not a
symlink)

The phone rarely drifts away from time sync, but usually a large
discrepancy after a reboot/crash/remove battery.

BillK


On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 14:39 +1000, Denis Johnson wrote:
> Just as a data point, I have checked the default settings in shr-t but
> I know I have to use the date command in an ssh session to get date
> and time set correctly and also do a hardware sync. Strangely it seems
> to keep the time until I re-connect via usb and ssh in, from there the
> time goes out.
> 
> I am also in Aus (Qld) on savytel (vodafone) network.
> 
> Obviously I need to investigate further.
> 
> cheers Denis
> 
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:54 AM, W.Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> wrote:
> > Not quite - it should be "if available" - network time is not part of
> > the base GSM standard but an extension which many (most?) networks done
> > use.  The zone is part of the standard, but if your provider crosses
> > multi timezones as here in australia, you might not be able to properly
> > use it.
> >
> > Beware using the default time server for network time - in europe it
> > might be ok, but it has jitter and offset here in australia at times -
> > set it to a local timeserver in /etc/frameworkd.conf.
> >
> > Time keeping has improved a lot, but I still find I connect to a network
> > or use GPS once a day to make sure it stays on time.
> >
> > BillK
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 18:31 +0100, Marc Verwerft wrote:
> >> The section about Date/time settings in the SHR wiki from openmoko
> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual#Date_and_time says:
> >> "Date and time are automatically set from GPS or Network"
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Marc
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Esben Stien <b0ef at esben-stien.name> wrote:
> >> > Any way to extract the time from the GSM network and have the time set
> >> > based on this?.
> >> >
> >> > Any distro that does this or any tools available?.
> >> >
> >> > Many phones have this capability.
> >> >
> >> > It would also be nice to set the time based on GPS, when that is
> >> > available, but often when indoors, only GSM works.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Esben Stien is b0ef at e     s      a
> >> >         http://www. s     t    n m
> >> >          irc://irc.  b  -  i  .   e/%23contact
> >> >           sip:b0ef@   e     e
> >> >           jid:b0ef@    n     n
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Openmoko community mailing list
> >> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> >> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >> >
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Openmoko community mailing list
> >> community at lists.openmoko.org
> >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



From grimfa at mm.st  Tue Jan  5 08:43:57 2010
From: grimfa at mm.st (grimfa)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:43:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: QtMoko v16
In-Reply-To: <200912211438.47147.psonek2@seznam.cz>
References: <200912211438.47147.psonek2@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <1262677437319-4253974.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi !!

First at all I have to thanks any people working on QtMoko. This distr is
really nice !
I have tried SHR and Hackable:1 but my favourite is for sure QtMoko !
(Hackable:1 could be nice, but I cannot manage to have SMS working).

Secondly, I have the following questions about QtMoko :

1) In contacts details, the size of the font of the phone numbers is real
large and some time not. I encountered the same problem with the rich text
format of sms (hyperlinks have a real large size of font). How is managed
the font size of the display ?

2) With v16, I have problems with 'Arora' and 'Web Browser' : both
applications crash during the load of a page.

Thanks and Regards,

David
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From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 10:25:01 2010
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:25:01 +0100
Subject: New project openmokontrol
In-Reply-To: <20607da11001042130m163ea911pd10cbebfd92893ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<20607da11001042024x6aaa3542td0bf6a0ac2347f3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<359c5481001042113x53341c1xd1afcd65b3b9b340@mail.gmail.com>
	<20607da11001042130m163ea911pd10cbebfd92893ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26fea52c1001050125t4a120fb0j38f410c536015edd@mail.gmail.com>

I also didn't know about that application (time for the new opkg.org)

but I also have a small off topic question:
does anybody know of a way to make the FR act like a USB keyboard?
I would very much like a small device which I can plug into any machine/host
and that will be recognised as an USB keyboard


thank you very much,
y

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Denis Johnson <denis.johnson at gmail.com>wrote:

> Sounds perfect !! you have me salivating, many thanks for the link and
> prompt response... something to play with tonight :-)
>
> cheers Denis
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Nicola Mfb <nicola.mfb at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Denis Johnson <denis.johnson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Great work, thanks for this.
> >>
> >> At the risk of straying somewhat off topic, I would love to have an
> >> app on the FR to allow me to use the FR as a remote control for my
> >> MythTV front-end albeit accelerometers not really needed, although
> >> some gestures could be useful down the track.
> >>
> >> Does anyone know if there is something already available which I could
> >> get going on the FR ? The following thread
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > You may try
> >
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NIDE/NIDED
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >      Niko
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From hersche at puzzle.ch  Tue Jan  5 10:27:54 2010
From: hersche at puzzle.ch (Vinzenz Hersche)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:27:54 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] http://qtmoko.meurisse.org
Message-ID: <201001051027.55066.hersche@puzzle.ch>

hello all,

i don't know which peoble did made the packages on repo 
http://qtmoko.meurisse.org . i found it in the wiki of qtmoko.org

i was wondering when qtmoko v16 came in this repo. if the maintainer(s) 
haven't enough time, it would be nice if he/she/they wrote a little manual, 
then i also create a repo which i went to keep fresh..

greets


From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Tue Jan  5 11:54:35 2010
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:54:35 +0100
Subject: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation
In-Reply-To: <c30e08171001041518h100e2423j1d90f0806bfb69f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1260385329576-4141297.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1262540441857-4246609.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<49dd78621001030951x22cb3823peadc0c60e22a7347@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262555262091-4247408.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<26fea52c1001040317rbb51ba2mf8f8ea951f794d2d@mail.gmail.com>
	<49dd78621001041243p78a7c5a6wbcef7521db141149@mail.gmail.com>
	<18db98c81001041411o7af9aa13ree5ad1125850d6d@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08171001041518h100e2423j1d90f0806bfb69f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.u51272ot41evsb@mcrkoord.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>

> I think you're now confusing free software with freeware. Free
> software app has to be open source (but not in opposite way -
>  freeware and open source apps not always are free software)

huh?
since when and who made that decision?
for all i know, the line goes between open source and free.
open source has not to be free and free has not to be open source.

to signify what you have in mind, the term foss was coined. and just the  
need to add "f" signifies that free is not open source per se (and vice  
versa of course).

> Remember, in "free software" term free means freedom, not free beer
> (as in freeware) :P

that is only _one_ meaning.
as human language goes, the very same word might have a lot of meanings --  
depending on context, speaker, time or place.



From cepera at me.com  Tue Jan  5 11:59:28 2010
From: cepera at me.com (Cepera)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 02:59:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: building qtmoko V15
In-Reply-To: <34ee7cb50912170206v6b4b4f19x3a00f16c1d3a015a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <34ee7cb50912170206v6b4b4f19x3a00f16c1d3a015a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1262689168703-4254567.post@n2.nabble.com>


Try to overwrite build-dir/sdk/bin/qbuild.bin by version built using Qt 4.4
(during configure).
It helps for me. At least I don't see this error.
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From madhatter at teaparty.net  Tue Jan  5 12:56:40 2010
From: madhatter at teaparty.net (Tom Yates)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:56:40 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation
In-Reply-To: <op.u51272ot41evsb@mcrkoord.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>
References: <1260385329576-4141297.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1262540441857-4246609.post@n2.nabble.com>
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	<18db98c81001041411o7af9aa13ree5ad1125850d6d@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08171001041518h100e2423j1d90f0806bfb69f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u51272ot41evsb@mcrkoord.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1001051143420.3955@anni>

On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, arne anka wrote:

[Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:]
>> I think you're now confusing free software with freeware. Free
>> software app has to be open source (but not in opposite way -
>>  freeware and open source apps not always are free software)
>
> huh? since when and who made that decision? for all i know, the line 
> goes between open source and free. open source has not to be free and 
> free has not to be open source.
>
> to signify what you have in mind, the term foss was coined. and just the 
> need to add "f" signifies that free is not open source per se (and vice 
> versa of course).
>
>> Remember, in "free software" term free means freedom, not free beer
>> (as in freeware) :P
>
> that is only _one_ meaning. as human language goes, the very same word 
> might have a lot of meanings -- depending on context, speaker, time or 
> place.

for the sake of record keeping (and because i think it's an important 
distinction, though i accept that others disagree):

the term "free software" was coined in or before 1989, when the GPLv1 was 
published by the free software foundation [1].  it quite clearly embedded 
the definition of "free" that sebastian refers to when it said:

"When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price. 
Specifically, the General Public License is designed to make sure that you 
have the freedom to give away or sell copies of free software, that you 
receive source code or can get it if you want it, that you can change the 
software or use pieces of it in new free programs; and that you know you 
can do these things. ".

the term "free software" may well have been in use before then, but it was 
set in stone by 1989.

the term "open source" was coined in early 1998 [2], nearly a decade 
later, by a group of people who _inter alia_ objected to the ambiguous 
meaning of "free" in ordinary english.  FLOSS and FOSS were terms coined 
later, off the back of the term "open source".

it's true that english is still ambiguous in its definition of "free", but 
it's not fair to say that "free software" is an ambiguous term.  it has 
been precisely defined for over 20 years, long before the term "open 
source" was coined.  when sebastian speaks of "free software", i think 
he's right to impute the FSF's definition of freedon to it.

please by all means use the terms "open source", FOSS, FLOSS and so on if 
you find they help crystallise your thinking, but arne, whilst i hugely 
admire your software chops and appreciate the work you've done, i think 
you're wrong to insist that others join you because you think free 
software means only "free as in beer".

hopefully i'm not offending anyone by jumping in with a bit of history!


-- 

   Tom Yates  -  http://www.teaparty.net





[1] http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-1.0.txt

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source :
"The decision by some people in the free software movement to use the 
label ?open source? came out of a strategy session held at Palo Alto, 
California, in reaction to Netscape's January 1998 announcement of a 
source code release for Navigator."

From helge.hafting at hist.no  Tue Jan  5 12:56:39 2010
From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:56:39 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <c30e08171001021728n27b7b9d9rff557a3067356059@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>	
	<4B3CEB64.7010004@sapo.pt>	
	<CF93CF976A70DD40A48C64F5D4141E341BAD4A@EX-VS01.ad.hist.no>	
	<4B3F3E8C.6040707@sapo.pt>	
	<CF93CF976A70DD40A48C64F5D4141E341BAD4C@EX-VS01.ad.hist.no>
	<c30e08171001021728n27b7b9d9rff557a3067356059@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4328F7.90307@hist.no>

Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:

> AFAIR there was some problem like that with GSM firmware. Do you have
> it upgraded?

Yes, but I upgraded it long before the first time I tried GPRS. So
perhaps there were problems before that. The phone functionality
improved with the GSM firmware update - no more people complaining
they called me while nothing happened on the device.

Helge Hafting




From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Tue Jan  5 13:21:50 2010
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:21:50 +0100
Subject: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1001051143420.3955@anni>
References: <1260385329576-4141297.post@n2.nabble.com>
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> the term "free software" was coined in or before 1989, when the GPLv1 was
> published by the free software foundation [1].

a) the group "free software" is nothing but a combination of an adjective  
and a substantive, the adjective qualifying the substantive
b) qualifying a substantive with "free" has been in use long before the  
creation of "software"
c) "free software" is in no way an unique term or used uniquely by the FSF  
-- the sentence you are quoting very clearly proves that by saying
""When we speak of free software"
ie, the term is used in a certain sense in a certain context (the GPL) --  
but there's no way, the GPL is globally applicable ot the authors are in  
any way authorized to rule the use of those very common and widely used  
words in a very common grammatical construction.


to conclude the discussion: sebastian  would be right _only_ if somewhere  
in the discussion all participants had agreed to put the software in  
question under the GPL or at least use the GPL's definition.
i can't recall, that has ever happend -- insofar any claim to use the  
GPL's definition as the solely applicable one is not justified!

it is understandable to think in the trems of the GPL but it is not the  
only way to think.
thus, if any author claims his/her software to be "free software", he/she  
is entitled to it -- only if he/she accepted the GPL's definition as the  
binding definition of the term, his/her software has to meet the  
requirements laid down in the GPL.

> but arne, whilst i hugely admire your software chops and appreciate the  
> work you've done,

i don't know, what exactly you are talking about, but thanks anyway :-)

> i think you're wrong to insist that others join you because you think  
> free software means only "free as in beer".

i don't.
as i hopefully made clear, i think the meaning of "free" (or "free  
software") has to be defined before accusing somebody of misuse
and that definition was (and is) still lacking.
free might be as in "beer" or "speech" or "nothing to do" (and those of us  
coming from eg the former communist parts of europe, will remember that  
not only the meaning of "free" might differ but even the extend involved),  
but that is not clear beforehand and certainly not implicit, even if most  
of us tend to think in therms of the GPL.


From gb at bsdmn.com  Tue Jan  5 14:40:08 2010
From: gb at bsdmn.com (Gennady Kupava)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:40:08 -0000
Subject: New project openmokontrol
In-Reply-To: <26fea52c1001050125t4a120fb0j38f410c536015edd@mail.gmail.com>
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+1

and mouse (touchpad or normal, accelerometer based 'moving' not
'rotating')

nide/nided look very close except you need to setup service, but not
exactly universal usb device.

interesting can it OM function as 'multipurpose device' - cdc-ether and
usb mouse/kbd?

interesting task, I'll start to investigate/do prototype.

gennady

? ???, 05/01/2010 ? 10:25 +0100, Yorick Moko ?????:
> I also didn't know about that application (time for the new opkg.org)
> 
> but I also have a small off topic question:
> does anybody know of a way to make the FR act like a USB keyboard?
> I would very much like a small device which I can plug into any
> machine/host and that will be recognised as an USB keyboard
> 
> 
> thank you very much,
> y
> 
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Denis Johnson
> <denis.johnson at gmail.com> wrote:
>         Sounds perfect !! you have me salivating, many thanks for the
>         link and
>         prompt response... something to play with tonight :-)
>         
>         cheers Denis
>         
>         
>         On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Nicola Mfb
>         <nicola.mfb at gmail.com> wrote:
>         > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Denis Johnson
>         <denis.johnson at gmail.com> wrote:
>         >> Great work, thanks for this.
>         >>
>         >> At the risk of straying somewhat off topic, I would love to
>         have an
>         >> app on the FR to allow me to use the FR as a remote control
>         for my
>         >> MythTV front-end albeit accelerometers not really needed,
>         although
>         >> some gestures could be useful down the track.
>         >>
>         >> Does anyone know if there is something already available
>         which I could
>         >> get going on the FR ? The following thread
>         >
>         > [...]
>         >
>         > You may try
>         >
>         > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NIDE/NIDED
>         >
>         > Regards
>         >
>         >      Niko
>         
>         _______________________________________________
>         Openmoko community mailing list
>         community at lists.openmoko.org
>         http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>         
> 




From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Tue Jan  5 15:36:58 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:36:58 +0000
Subject: Fwd: [Debian] Re: Touchscreen not working
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[forgot to CC the list...]


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Neil Jerram <neiljerram at googlemail.com>
Date: 2010/1/5
Subject: Re: [Debian] Re: Touchscreen not working
To: Steven Jones <sjones at enrgies.com>


2010/1/5 Steven Jones <sjones at enrgies.com>:
>
> So it seems, downgrading hal packages to 0.5.13-6 solved this touch
> screen problem for me.
>
>
> FWIW, looks to me like this bug:
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=562052.
>
> ? ? ? Neil
>
>
>
> Neil, could you point me to the location of 0.5.13-6? I am unable to find
> the repository with that version.

My method for this would be to:
- run aptitude
- find the "hal" package
- press Enter to bring up a new screen with detailed information for
that package.

Then, at or near the bottom, you should see the available versions,
including 0.5.13-6. ?Move down to that line and press + to tell
aptitude that you want to install that version.

If you don't see that version, I would guess that you need to update
your /etc/apt/sources.list so that it includes the Debian "testing"
repository as well as "unstable", then run "apt-get update" or
"aptitude update" to update your package information, then retry as
above.

Hope some of that helps!

? ? Neil


From leth at leth.yi.org  Tue Jan  5 16:09:30 2010
From: leth at leth.yi.org (Viktor Lindberg)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:09:30 +0100
Subject: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation
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On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 01:21:50PM +0100, arne anka wrote:
> > the term "free software" was coined in or before 1989, when the GPLv1 was
> > published by the free software foundation [1].
> 
> a) the group "free software" is nothing but a combination of an adjective  
> and a substantive, the adjective qualifying the substantive
> b) qualifying a substantive with "free" has been in use long before the  
> creation of "software"
> c) "free software" is in no way an unique term or used uniquely by the FSF  
> -- the sentence you are quoting very clearly proves that by saying
> ""When we speak of free software"
> ie, the term is used in a certain sense in a certain context (the GPL) --  
> but there's no way, the GPL is globally applicable ot the authors are in  
> any way authorized to rule the use of those very common and widely used  
> words in a very common grammatical construction.
>

Qualifying a substantive with "free" is far older yes, but that is
not a point, nor is a) a point. c) may be a point but they're really
just bringing clearity cause the word is fuzzy.

> 
> to conclude the discussion: sebastian  would be right _only_ if somewhere  
> in the discussion all participants had agreed to put the software in  
> question under the GPL or at least use the GPL's definition.
> i can't recall, that has ever happend -- insofar any claim to use the  
> GPL's definition as the solely applicable one is not justified!

If one is to be used then that one should be used. Ethymologically
that is right, but also the other usage of the word isn't really
widely spread nor accepted by many today, it also makes no sense.

> it is understandable to think in the trems of the GPL but it is not the  
> only way to think.
> thus, if any author claims his/her software to be "free software", he/she  
> is entitled to it -- only if he/she accepted the GPL's definition as the  
> binding definition of the term, his/her software has to meet the  
> requirements laid down in the GPL.

GPL is not the only free license. Furthermore, if you by using the term
"free software" to describe software that is not free but gratis, you
have misused the word haven't you?

> > but arne, whilst i hugely admire your software chops and appreciate the  
> > work you've done,
> 
> i don't know, what exactly you are talking about, but thanks anyway :-)
> 
> > i think you're wrong to insist that others join you because you think  
> > free software means only "free as in beer".
> 
> i don't.
> as i hopefully made clear, i think the meaning of "free" (or "free  
> software") has to be defined before accusing somebody of misuse
> and that definition was (and is) still lacking.
> free might be as in "beer" or "speech" or "nothing to do" (and those of us  
> coming from eg the former communist parts of europe, will remember that  
> not only the meaning of "free" might differ but even the extend involved),  
> but that is not clear beforehand and certainly not implicit, even if most  
> of us tend to think in therms of the GPL.

Yes free may be interpreted as free of duties (which i belive is what
you meant with "nothing to do") however interpreteing it as free of
charge is still not a very good thing cause it breaks the definition
of free.

Because free is such a fuzzy word, mainly due to misusage of the word
 one can use the words libre or gratis to distinguish them.

Open source is however not the same as FLOSS or Free/Libre Software.
The Open Source Movement have instead choosen to abandom the ethical
principle of freedom and only promote the use of Open Source software
that might not be libre (free as in freedom), which is not the same
idea as the Free Software movement has. For the Free Software movement
the idea of Free/Libre Software is that it should be free as in
freedom. Not just open for anyone to examine as is the case with Open
Source.

And mainly because there is such a large movement of Free Software
(free as in freedom) and the usage of free while in the discussion of
software the usage of the word free in regards to software
is in any case but the term "Freeware" analogous with libre software.

And you know what? Free as used in free of charge often can be
intepreted as you are free to do whatever you want to do with it, not
only that it is gratis. If i have a free soda pop for you, then you
can use it for whatever, even give it away to someone else.. for if i
attached criterias for why it is gratis then would it still be free?

Please clean up your own language usage to avoid things like this, it
is tedious to have to be carefull about the word free is applied only
because people do not consider their own language usage or the
consistancy in their language.

/end of arrogant rant about language usage.


From vanous at penguin.cz  Tue Jan  5 16:08:44 2010
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:08:44 +0100
Subject: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation
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>/end of arrogant rant about language usage.

this is getting too long for me :)

just download the relevant packages which this thread started about
and read license in there, it might help your understanding :))

cheers

Petr



From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Tue Jan  5 16:39:42 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:39:42 +0000
Subject: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation
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2010/1/5 Viktor Lindberg <leth at leth.yi.org>:
>
> The Open Source Movement have instead choosen to abandom the ethical
> principle of freedom and only promote the use of Open Source software
> that might not be libre (free as in freedom), which is not the same
> idea as the Free Software movement has. [...] Not just open for anyone to examine as is the case with Open
> Source.

FWIW, that is not my understanding.  I believe that the practical
requirements of Open Source and Free Software are mostly identical.
The difference is one of philosophical emphasis: the Open Source
movement chooses to emphasize practical and tangible benefits from
using and working on their projects, whereas the Free Software
movement emphasizes freedom, even if it means working in the short
term with an inferior product.

I hope that's useful to someone (and correct!) ...

        Neil


From freepage at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 17:01:29 2010
From: freepage at gmail.com (Pieter Colpaert)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:01:29 +0100
Subject: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation
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Since this is a mailinglist about openmoko's ?free?runner, I think it's
normal to assume everyone on this mailinglist understands the idea
behind the free philosophy.

On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 16:09 +0100, Viktor Lindberg wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 01:21:50PM +0100, arne anka wrote:
> > > the term "free software" was coined in or before 1989, when the GPLv1 was
> > > published by the free software foundation [1].
> > 
> > a) the group "free software" is nothing but a combination of an adjective  
> > and a substantive, the adjective qualifying the substantive
> > b) qualifying a substantive with "free" has been in use long before the  
> > creation of "software"
> > c) "free software" is in no way an unique term or used uniquely by the FSF  
> > -- the sentence you are quoting very clearly proves that by saying
> > ""When we speak of free software"
> > ie, the term is used in a certain sense in a certain context (the GPL) --  
> > but there's no way, the GPL is globally applicable ot the authors are in  
> > any way authorized to rule the use of those very common and widely used  
> > words in a very common grammatical construction.
> >
> 
> Qualifying a substantive with "free" is far older yes, but that is
> not a point, nor is a) a point. c) may be a point but they're really
> just bringing clearity cause the word is fuzzy.
> 
> > 
> > to conclude the discussion: sebastian  would be right _only_ if somewhere  
> > in the discussion all participants had agreed to put the software in  
> > question under the GPL or at least use the GPL's definition.
> > i can't recall, that has ever happend -- insofar any claim to use the  
> > GPL's definition as the solely applicable one is not justified!
> 
> If one is to be used then that one should be used. Ethymologically
> that is right, but also the other usage of the word isn't really
> widely spread nor accepted by many today, it also makes no sense.
> 
> > it is understandable to think in the trems of the GPL but it is not the  
> > only way to think.
> > thus, if any author claims his/her software to be "free software", he/she  
> > is entitled to it -- only if he/she accepted the GPL's definition as the  
> > binding definition of the term, his/her software has to meet the  
> > requirements laid down in the GPL.
> 
> GPL is not the only free license. Furthermore, if you by using the term
> "free software" to describe software that is not free but gratis, you
> have misused the word haven't you?
> 
> > > but arne, whilst i hugely admire your software chops and appreciate the  
> > > work you've done,
> > 
> > i don't know, what exactly you are talking about, but thanks anyway :-)
> > 
> > > i think you're wrong to insist that others join you because you think  
> > > free software means only "free as in beer".
> > 
> > i don't.
> > as i hopefully made clear, i think the meaning of "free" (or "free  
> > software") has to be defined before accusing somebody of misuse
> > and that definition was (and is) still lacking.
> > free might be as in "beer" or "speech" or "nothing to do" (and those of us  
> > coming from eg the former communist parts of europe, will remember that  
> > not only the meaning of "free" might differ but even the extend involved),  
> > but that is not clear beforehand and certainly not implicit, even if most  
> > of us tend to think in therms of the GPL.
> 
> Yes free may be interpreted as free of duties (which i belive is what
> you meant with "nothing to do") however interpreteing it as free of
> charge is still not a very good thing cause it breaks the definition
> of free.
> 
> Because free is such a fuzzy word, mainly due to misusage of the word
>  one can use the words libre or gratis to distinguish them.
> 
> Open source is however not the same as FLOSS or Free/Libre Software.
> The Open Source Movement have instead choosen to abandom the ethical
> principle of freedom and only promote the use of Open Source software
> that might not be libre (free as in freedom), which is not the same
> idea as the Free Software movement has. For the Free Software movement
> the idea of Free/Libre Software is that it should be free as in
> freedom. Not just open for anyone to examine as is the case with Open
> Source.
> 
> And mainly because there is such a large movement of Free Software
> (free as in freedom) and the usage of free while in the discussion of
> software the usage of the word free in regards to software
> is in any case but the term "Freeware" analogous with libre software.
> 
> And you know what? Free as used in free of charge often can be
> intepreted as you are free to do whatever you want to do with it, not
> only that it is gratis. If i have a free soda pop for you, then you
> can use it for whatever, even give it away to someone else.. for if i
> attached criterias for why it is gratis then would it still be free?
> 
> Please clean up your own language usage to avoid things like this, it
> is tedious to have to be carefull about the word free is applied only
> because people do not consider their own language usage or the
> consistancy in their language.
> 
> /end of arrogant rant about language usage.
> 
> 




From leth at leth.yi.org  Tue Jan  5 17:16:19 2010
From: leth at leth.yi.org (Viktor Lindberg)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:16:19 +0100
Subject: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation
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On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 03:39:42PM +0000, Neil Jerram wrote:
> 2010/1/5 Viktor Lindberg <leth at leth.yi.org>:
> >
> > The Open Source Movement have instead choosen to abandom the ethical
> > principle of freedom and only promote the use of Open Source software
> > that might not be libre (free as in freedom), which is not the same
> > idea as the Free Software movement has. [...] Not just open for anyone to examine as is the case with Open
> > Source.
> 
> FWIW, that is not my understanding.  I believe that the practical
> requirements of Open Source and Free Software are mostly identical.
> The difference is one of philosophical emphasis: the Open Source
> movement chooses to emphasize practical and tangible benefits from
> using and working on their projects, whereas the Free Software
> movement emphasizes freedom, even if it means working in the short
> term with an inferior product.

I don't wish to be rude but you're not actually contradicting anything
i'm saying afaict thought you are putting the words diffrently to
emphasis that Open Source would have a better technical solution, i'm
not sure that is the case, it might be true to some extent yes. But
when you have virtues and value ethics highly you might have to avoid
certain methods which you consider evil to some extent.

And frankly to use any GNU/Linux distribution as an example, Free
Software is not that technically inferior. In fact most GNU/Linux
systems are have a much higher rate of free software as part of the
system then non free open source software. There are even
distributions that have strict policies agains including non free
software that works perfectly well with perhaps the small exceptions
of some few hardware drivers, in this case you can just avoid buying
hardware from vendors who completle ignores the call for free software.

Not to forget OpenBSD which is 100% Free Software and is renown for
being a really good technical solution.

Yes it is true that the Open Source movement likes to focus on the
technical advantages of Open Source Software, but it's not true to say
that good technical solution is ignored by the Free Software
movement. However the big diffrence lies as you said in the
philosophical part, that ethical apsects of software freedom, thus
somtimes the Free Software movement is sometimes happy with a
suboptimal solution for the sake of moral issues. (in my case i
consider linux a subotpimal technical solution, but it allows for me
to run a fully free OS)

> I hope that's useful to someone (and correct!) ...
> 
>         Neil
> 
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From vancel at thespazcat.com  Tue Jan  5 18:33:35 2010
From: vancel at thespazcat.com (vancel35)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:33:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SHR-U] Stop keyboard auto-display?
Message-ID: <1262712815196-4256334.post@n2.nabble.com>


Back in the days of the April release for SHR-Testing, the keyboard wouldn't
auto-display, and I thought that was somewhat inconvenient, so I was happy
when I upgraded to SHR-U and saw that the keyboard would auto-display when I
clicked in text fields.

However, I've found that the behavior is more annoying than having to pull
up the keyboard when I want it.  There are many times that a program will
automatically put the cursor into a text field, and I don't want to do
anything with that text field, so I have to manually close the keyboard. 
Then I click somewhere else on the screen, and it happens to go into a text
area again... the keyboard auto-displays, and I have to manually close it
again.

Is there a configuration that I can tell it to only display and hide
manually?  I want it to stay invisible until I want it, and I want it to
stay visible until I'm done... indicated by hitting the button to activate /
deactivate.  I don't want it to try to interpret when it thinks I want it
and when I don't.

I've searched the mailing list using Nabble, and the only thing I found was
from when the matchbox keyboard was a separate application, and there was a
separate configuration (/etc/matchbox/session).  Unfortunately that path
doesn't exist in the December release.

Thanks for any info.

-Laura
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From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 18:37:46 2010
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:37:46 +0100
Subject: [SHR-U] Stop keyboard auto-display?
In-Reply-To: <1262712815196-4256334.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1262712815196-4256334.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <c30e08171001050937n28cf2112xa940d472668ccbd9@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 18:33, vancel35 <vancel at thespazcat.com> wrote:
>
> Back in the days of the April release for SHR-Testing, the keyboard wouldn't
> auto-display, and I thought that was somewhat inconvenient, so I was happy
> when I upgraded to SHR-U and saw that the keyboard would auto-display when I
> clicked in text fields.
>
> However, I've found that the behavior is more annoying than having to pull
> up the keyboard when I want it. ?There are many times that a program will
> automatically put the cursor into a text field, and I don't want to do
> anything with that text field, so I have to manually close the keyboard.
> Then I click somewhere else on the screen, and it happens to go into a text
> area again... the keyboard auto-displays, and I have to manually close it
> again.
>
> Is there a configuration that I can tell it to only display and hide
> manually? ?I want it to stay invisible until I want it, and I want it to
> stay visible until I'm done... indicated by hitting the button to activate /
> deactivate. ?I don't want it to try to interpret when it thinks I want it
> and when I don't.
>
> I've searched the mailing list using Nabble, and the only thing I found was
> from when the matchbox keyboard was a separate application, and there was a
> separate configuration (/etc/matchbox/session). ?Unfortunately that path
> doesn't exist in the December release.
>
> Thanks for any info.
>
> -Laura
> --
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That's matchbox-keyboard-im which makes keyboard popping up
automatically with GTK+ apps (don't be suggested with name, on default
install matchbox-keyboard-im pops up Illume keyboard ;)). You can
uninstall that package.

-- 
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dos


From vancel at thespazcat.com  Tue Jan  5 18:39:53 2010
From: vancel at thespazcat.com (vancel35)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:39:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator
Message-ID: <1262713193121-4256370.post@n2.nabble.com>


I've noticed that each version that I've upgraded of TangoGPS has increased
the font size for the speed display on the map screen.  I don't need or want
it to take up 1/4 of the screen as it does now.  I've looked inside the
TangoGPS config file (~.gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml), but I couldn't see
any options to set the font size.  Although I have to admit that some of the
config option names are slightly cryptic.

Is there a setting to reduce the font size?

Thanks for any info.

-Laura
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From vancel at thespazcat.com  Tue Jan  5 18:53:42 2010
From: vancel at thespazcat.com (vancel35)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:53:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SHR-U] Stop keyboard auto-display?
In-Reply-To: <c30e08171001050937n28cf2112xa940d472668ccbd9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262712815196-4256334.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<c30e08171001050937n28cf2112xa940d472668ccbd9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1262714022728-4256430.post@n2.nabble.com>



Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 18:33, vancel35 <vancel at thespazcat.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> That's matchbox-keyboard-im which makes keyboard popping up
> automatically with GTK+ apps (don't be suggested with name, on default
> install matchbox-keyboard-im pops up Illume keyboard ;)). You can
> uninstall that package.
> 
> -- 
> Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
> dos
> 
Ok, that worked for GTK+ apps, but what about the rest of them?  There are
text fields in the settings python apps that if you touch the wrong area,
the keyboard still auto-displays.  Is there any way to stop it there as
well?

Even if it can't, the fact that it's stopped in GTK+ apps is very helpful,
so thank you very much for that. :)

-Laura
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From frobiac at googlemail.com  Tue Jan  5 18:55:57 2010
From: frobiac at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Fr=F6be?=)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:55:57 +0100
Subject: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator
In-Reply-To: <1262713193121-4256370.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1262713193121-4256370.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <58a51a771001050955r4222d176yd27a703216c85c0b@mail.gmail.com>

Don't know about any configuration options, but had the same issues and
changed it in my geocaching patch:

change this line in src/gps_functions.c after setting global_font_scale to
sth like 40:

@@ -94,7 +94,7 @@ osd_speed(gboolean force_redraw)
  layout  = pango_layout_new (context);
  desc    = pango_font_description_new();

- pango_font_description_set_size (desc, 60 * PANGO_SCALE);
+ pango_font_description_set_size (desc, 60 * PANGO_SCALE *
global_font_scale /100);
  pango_layout_set_font_description (layout, desc);
  pango_layout_set_text (layout, buffer, strlen(buffer));


HTH, Stefan
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:39 PM, vancel35 <vancel at thespazcat.com> wrote:

>
> I've noticed that each version that I've upgraded of TangoGPS has increased
> the font size for the speed display on the map screen.  I don't need or
> want
> it to take up 1/4 of the screen as it does now.  I've looked inside the
> TangoGPS config file (~.gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml), but I couldn't see
> any options to set the font size.  Although I have to admit that some of
> the
> config option names are slightly cryptic.
>
> Is there a setting to reduce the font size?
>
> Thanks for any info.
>
> -Laura
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://n2.nabble.com/TangoGPS-font-size-for-speed-indicator-tp4256370p4256370.html
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From tingox at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 19:22:20 2010
From: tingox at gmail.com (Torfinn Ingolfsen)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 19:22:20 +0100
Subject: bootloaders (Was: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)
Message-ID: <ef8c8a881001051022tb64d6c7h8fea91f41b50c87a@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak <seba.dos1 at gmail.com
> wrote:

> On 12/30/09, Torfinn Ingolfsen <tingox at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I only know about Android needing forked Qi. Which other distro also
> requires you to have custom bootloader?
>


None that I know of. But the main problem is that you can't (as a user)
easily multiboot between one image in NAND and sevaral images on SD card.
Let's see:
- Qi is missing the so-called "multiboot partition" that was proposed to fix
this. There has been a few attempts to create a write up that explains how
to set up all this, but AFAIk, today there isn't a complete ow-to anywhere.
In my eyes, this makes qi incomplete.

- uboot has problem with bigger kernels, and besides you still have to
configure it by hand for each partition you want to boot (whoever thought
that up? an ex-grub developer? Why can't uboot figure out this on its own?
Why does it nedd the help of a human for such a simple task?)

- you have already mentioned the forked Qi that Android needs.

Have I forgotten anything?
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From tingox at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 19:34:58 2010
From: tingox at gmail.com (Torfinn Ingolfsen)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 19:34:58 +0100
Subject: Bootloaders - part 2 (Was: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your 
	Freerunner?)
Message-ID: <ef8c8a881001051034w2e28cdd1p23167c6864bd80b0@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:51 AM, Al Johnson
<openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk>wrote:

> I guess Android only needs a forked Qi because it needed different boot
> parameters, and Qi can't read them from file when booting from NAND.


It makes me wonder why the missing functionality (ability to read parameters
from a file o something else in nand) wasn't implemented in the main Qi
instead of forking it.


> I find uboot very easy for multibooting.
>
>
Interesting. Care to tell more about your setup?
Which distributions are yu multibooting? Android, SHR, QtMoko, Hackable?
One in NAND and three or four on a sd card?
If you decide to switch sd card, do you hve to update uboot settings?

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From fercerpav at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 20:28:08 2010
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:28:08 +0300
Subject: Bootloaders - part 2
In-Reply-To: <ef8c8a881001051034w2e28cdd1p23167c6864bd80b0@mail.gmail.com>
	(Torfinn Ingolfsen's message of "Tue\,
	5 Jan 2010 19\:34\:58 +0100")
References: <ef8c8a881001051034w2e28cdd1p23167c6864bd80b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m2pr5o73nb.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

Torfinn Ingolfsen <tingox at gmail.com> writes:

> On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:51 AM, Al Johnson <openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>     I guess Android only needs a forked Qi because it needed different boot
>     parameters, and Qi can't read them from file when booting from NAND.
>
> It makes me wonder why the missing functionality (ability to read
> parameters from a file o something else in nand) wasn't implemented
> in the main Qi instead of forking it.

It wasn't implemented anywhere. Wasn't implemented in koolu's
fork. Just because flash filesystems like jffs2 and ubifs are not as
simple to read as ext2. Also Qi was designed to primarily provide a
means to boot rootfs from uSD. And be dead simple.

>     I find uboot very easy for multibooting.
>
> Interesting. Care to tell more about your setup?
> Which distributions are yu multibooting? Android, SHR, QtMoko, Hackable?
> One in NAND and three or four on a sd card?
> If you decide to switch sd card, do you hve to update uboot
> settings?

Come on, u-boot is well-known among embedded devs, there's a u-boot
manual etc. BTW, it doesn't have any problems with big kernels. So if
you want it, you get it. An old u-boot fork still works on
Freerunners. What else do you want? Hack on u-boot to make it more
grub-like? First you'll need to push om-specific parts mainline and
then persuade the u-boot devs that embedded is ready for grub-like
functionality. And then reimplement many of the kernel drivers etc
etc. I don't get you guys. If you want boot menu, go for a simple
framebuffer menu in initramfs. Reliable, debuggable, easy.

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From vancel at thespazcat.com  Tue Jan  5 20:37:18 2010
From: vancel at thespazcat.com (vancel35)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:37:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator
In-Reply-To: <58a51a771001050955r4222d176yd27a703216c85c0b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262713193121-4256370.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<58a51a771001050955r4222d176yd27a703216c85c0b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1262720238312-4256921.post@n2.nabble.com>




Stefan Fr?be wrote:
> 
> Don't know about any configuration options, but had the same issues and
> changed it in my geocaching patch:
> 
> change this line in src/gps_functions.c after setting global_font_scale to
> sth like 40:
> 
> @@ -94,7 +94,7 @@ osd_speed(gboolean force_redraw)
>   layout  = pango_layout_new (context);
>   desc    = pango_font_description_new();
> 
> - pango_font_description_set_size (desc, 60 * PANGO_SCALE);
> + pango_font_description_set_size (desc, 60 * PANGO_SCALE *
> global_font_scale /100);
>   pango_layout_set_font_description (layout, desc);
>   pango_layout_set_text (layout, buffer, strlen(buffer));
> 
> 
> HTH, Stefan
> 

I haven't installed the OM development stack yet, and I haven't installed
the geocaching patch.  Since PANGO_SCALE looks like a global variable, I
tried to find a global pango config file, and I couldn't find anything.  I
tried to set the PANGO_SCALE as a global shell variable, and no luck.

In your code snippet, it seems like that hard-coded "60" should be a
user-definable variable from the config screen or at least a config file.

I guess it's time for me to install the OM dev kit.

Thanks for the info. :)

-Laura

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From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 21:08:57 2010
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:08:57 +0100
Subject: New project openmokontrol
In-Reply-To: <1286296645.24680.7.camel@work.bsdmn.ru>
References: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<20607da11001042024x6aaa3542td0bf6a0ac2347f3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<359c5481001042113x53341c1xd1afcd65b3b9b340@mail.gmail.com>
	<20607da11001042130m163ea911pd10cbebfd92893ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<26fea52c1001050125t4a120fb0j38f410c536015edd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286296645.24680.7.camel@work.bsdmn.ru>
Message-ID: <26fea52c1001051208k43510831lf6dd36ffef6d29a9@mail.gmail.com>

glad to see someone else interested!

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Gennady Kupava <gb at bsdmn.com> wrote:

> +1
>
> and mouse (touchpad or normal, accelerometer based 'moving' not
> 'rotating')
>
> nide/nided look very close except you need to setup service, but not
> exactly universal usb device.
>
> interesting can it OM function as 'multipurpose device' - cdc-ether and
> usb mouse/kbd?
>
> interesting task, I'll start to investigate/do prototype.
>
> gennady
>
> ? ???, 05/01/2010 ? 10:25 +0100, Yorick Moko ?????:
> > I also didn't know about that application (time for the new opkg.org)
> >
> > but I also have a small off topic question:
> > does anybody know of a way to make the FR act like a USB keyboard?
> > I would very much like a small device which I can plug into any
> > machine/host and that will be recognised as an USB keyboard
> >
> >
> > thank you very much,
> > y
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Denis Johnson
> > <denis.johnson at gmail.com> wrote:
> >         Sounds perfect !! you have me salivating, many thanks for the
> >         link and
> >         prompt response... something to play with tonight :-)
> >
> >         cheers Denis
> >
> >
> >         On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Nicola Mfb
> >         <nicola.mfb at gmail.com> wrote:
> >         > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Denis Johnson
> >         <denis.johnson at gmail.com> wrote:
> >         >> Great work, thanks for this.
> >         >>
> >         >> At the risk of straying somewhat off topic, I would love to
> >         have an
> >         >> app on the FR to allow me to use the FR as a remote control
> >         for my
> >         >> MythTV front-end albeit accelerometers not really needed,
> >         although
> >         >> some gestures could be useful down the track.
> >         >>
> >         >> Does anyone know if there is something already available
> >         which I could
> >         >> get going on the FR ? The following thread
> >         >
> >         > [...]
> >         >
> >         > You may try
> >         >
> >         > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NIDE/NIDED
> >         >
> >         > Regards
> >         >
> >         >      Niko
> >
> >         _______________________________________________
> >         Openmoko community mailing list
> >         community at lists.openmoko.org
> >         http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
> >
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From esteban.francisco at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 21:49:08 2010
From: esteban.francisco at gmail.com (Esteban Monge)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:49:08 -0600
Subject: QMokoPlayer - QtMoko v16
Message-ID: <ef378ab31001051249p370f83fdh3c141a7f12cb056@mail.gmail.com>

Hello I tried QtMoko v16 is great but I have the same problem, Arora
crashes.

Also I tried QMokoPlayer, the radio it OK but in what path I need put the
videos for watch it?

Only need install with apt-get youtube-dl for watch videos? Also is the same
situation with mp3 play?

Thanks and great job.

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From thomas.franck at gmx.com  Tue Jan  5 21:55:33 2010
From: thomas.franck at gmx.com (Thomas Franck)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:55:33 +0100
Subject: Bluetooth PBAP support for FSO
In-Reply-To: <201001041146.23842.ml@vdm-design.de>
References: <200912231831.14883.ml@vdm-design.de>	<200912261253.58652.ml@vdm-design.de>
	<4B41BEFB.9030701@gmx.com> <201001041146.23842.ml@vdm-design.de>
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On 01/04/2010 11:46 AM, Thomas Zimmermann wrote:
> http://downloads.vdm-design.de/obexd_0.20-r0.4_armv4t.ipk

downloaded and installed that..

> But i think sth more is needed. We need an bluetooth agent that knows about 
> obexd. Perhaps simple-agent does.

I used simple-agent before (see the thread here:
http://n2.nabble.com/SHR-unstable-Bluetooth-pairing-with-BMW-Pro-Radio-car-handsfree-fails-tp3060247p3060247.html
)
will try when I manage to set everything up.. :)


> then obexd needs to be started with -p option, the /etc/dbus-1/services config 
> file doesn't do that in my current version, so you have to add that option 
> there.

I don't even have a obexd.conf in the system.d folder.. :S

Cheers,

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From dehqan65 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 22:58:39 2010
From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (dehqan65)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 01:28:39 +0330
Subject: why GPS is not in resources list ? (devs see framewrokd log)
Message-ID: <267bb6671001051358v852bd71i9f16ffc53bb15799@mail.gmail.com>

In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful

Hello;
This is frameworkd.log > http://pastebin.com/me4626ff

Traceback :

KeyError: '/dev/ttySAC1'
 gpsdev = globals()[devname]( controller.bus, channel )

Also :
root at om-gta02 ~ $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged
/org/freesmartphone/Usage \
 > org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy GPS enabled
  /org/freesmartphone/Usage: SetResourcePolicy failed:
org.freesmartphone.Usage.ResourceUnknown (Resource GPS had never been
registered)

Regards dehqan
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From dehqan65 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 23:02:11 2010
From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (dehqan65)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 01:32:11 +0330
Subject: Ringtone request
In-Reply-To: <20100104194253.265444c3@michael>
References: <267bb6671001031116m44d22406ra9eb978b5830a4a5@mail.gmail.com>
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In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful

hello;

You may be interested in my ringtones package. The source code is available
> from this URL:
>
>
> http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/ringtones/file/tip
>
> It uses the signalgen package.
>

Problem with building it :

root at alabd:/media/disk1/all/soft/openmoko/ringtones-4c84dc2dcdd4# ksh
build_package.ksh
*** Warning: The following files have a UID greater than 99.
You probably want to chown these to a system user:
drwxrwxrwx 3 alabd alabd   4096 2010-01-05 19:06 ./usr
drwxrwxrwx 3 alabd alabd   4096 2010-01-05 19:06 ./usr/share
drwxrwxrwx 2 alabd alabd   4096 2010-01-05 19:06 ./usr/share/sounds
-rwxrwxrwx 1 alabd alabd 132344 2009-12-06 06:19
./usr/share/sounds/five_tones.wav
-rwxrwxrwx 1 alabd alabd  22094 2009-12-06 06:19
./usr/share/sounds/t05004000.wav
-rwxrwxrwx 1 alabd alabd  44144 2009-12-06 06:19
./usr/share/sounds/t10004000.wav

*** Error: CONTROL/control is missing field Source
The Source field contain the URL's or filenames of the source code and any
patches
used to build this package.  Either gnu-style tarballs or Debian source
packages
are acceptable.  Relative filenames may be used if they are distributed in
the same
directory as the .ipk file.

ipkg-build: Please fix the above errors and try again.


Regards dehqan
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From openmoko at netapps.com.au  Tue Jan  5 23:20:57 2010
From: openmoko at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:20:57 +1100
Subject: Ringtone request
In-Reply-To: <267bb6671001051402h509444d6v736e5ab95ce004bf@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20100106092057.73ef7629@michael>

On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 01:32:11 +0330
dehqan65 <dehqan65 at gmail.com> wrote:

> In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful
> 
> hello;
> 
> You may be interested in my ringtones package. The source code is available
> > from this URL:
> >
> >
> > http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/ringtones/file/tip
> >
> > It uses the signalgen package.
> >
> 
> Problem with building it :

I am not sure what is going on there. You could run build_package.ksh
with "set -x" at the top to get more information, or you could just run
your own variation of create_tones.ksh and manually load the generated file onto the phone.

What operating system are you running on?
Is ksh installed?
I never run from root but I use sudo to set the owner id of some files

Hope that helps.
-- 
Michael Smith
Network Applications
www.netapps.com.au   | +61 (0) 416 062 898
Web Hosting          | Internet Services


From baba_melone at yahoo.de  Wed Jan  6 00:27:56 2010
From: baba_melone at yahoo.de (hab keen oh ne)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 23:27:56 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: New project openmokontrol
In-Reply-To: <8b48b1571001041506h87fb7cay618bb13bf43a1d1c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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Ofc, this is possible. But to implement this, I would have to know, which action causes which event. Maybe it is best, if you tell me the specific applicaton which is to be controlled? Perhaps it will turn out to be a motivation for me...




________________________________
Von: Michal Brzozowski <rusolis at poczta.fm>
An: List for Openmoko community discussion <community at lists.openmoko.org>
Gesendet: Dienstag, den 5. Januar 2010, 0:06:30 Uhr
Betreff: Re: New project openmokontrol

2010/1/4 Petr Vanek <vanous at penguin.cz>


>>i think now it sends only left-right with arrows? later up/down for
>>speeding/slowing would be great too :)
>
>

It would be cool if it were used as a joystick. Can you make fake joystick events in Xorg? 

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From baba_melone at yahoo.de  Wed Jan  6 00:48:23 2010
From: baba_melone at yahoo.de (hab keen oh ne)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 23:48:23 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: AW: New project openmokontrol
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@ Gennady: normal mode just plays with the error keys. sys/time.h doesn't need to be included when Im using my toolchain, For some reaseon some compilers need it to be included and some don't, I have met a guy not able to compile it, too, I've added this. Thanks for the hint with the Makefile. Just uploaded it to the git server, not with the tarball...sry.
Besides: Im always glad about wishes, so if you think your ideas are remotely compatible with openmokontrol, tell me about them, maybe we could work together.




________________________________
Von: Yorick Moko <yorickmoko at gmail.com>
An: List for Openmoko community discussion <community at lists.openmoko.org>
Gesendet: Dienstag, den 5. Januar 2010, 21:08:57 Uhr
Betreff: Re: New project openmokontrol

glad to see someone else interested!


On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Gennady Kupava <gb at bsdmn.com> wrote:

>+1
>
>>and mouse (touchpad or normal, accelerometer based 'moving' not
>>'rotating')
>
>>nide/nided look very close except you need to setup service, but not
>>exactly universal usb device.
>
>>interesting can it OM function as 'multipurpose device' - cdc-ether and
>>usb mouse/kbd?
>
>>interesting task, I'll start to investigate/do prototype.
>
>>gennady
>
>>? ???, 05/01/2010 ? 10:25 +0100, Yorick Moko ?????:
>
>> I also didn't know about that application (time for the new opkg.org)
>>>
>>> but I also have a small off topic question:
>>> does anybody know of a way to make the FR act like a USB keyboard?
>>> I would very much like a small device which I can plug into any
>>> machine/host and that will be recognised as an USB keyboard
>>>
>>>
>>> thank you very much,
>>> y
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Denis Johnson
>>> <denis.johnson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>         Sounds perfect !! you have me salivating, many thanks for the
>>>         link and
>>>         prompt response... something to play with tonight :-)
>>>
>>>         cheers Denis
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Nicola Mfb
>>>         <nicola.mfb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>         > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Denis Johnson
>>>         <denis.johnson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>         >> Great work, thanks for this.
>>>         >>
>>>         >> At the risk of straying somewhat off topic, I would love to
>>>         have an
>>>         >> app on the FR to allow me to use the FR as a remote control
>>>         for my
>>>         >> MythTV front-end albeit accelerometers not really needed,
>>>         although
>>>         >> some gestures could be useful down the track.
>>>         >>
>>>         >> Does anyone know if there is something already available
>>>         which I could
>>>         >> get going on the FR ? The following thread
>>>         >
>>>         > [...]
>>>         >
>>>         > You may try
>>>         >
>>>         > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NIDE/NIDED
>>>         >
>>>         > Regards
>>>         >
>>>         >      Niko
>>>
>>>         _______________________________________________
>>>         Openmoko community mailing list
>>>         community at lists.openmoko.org
>>>         http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>>
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>
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From kosa at piradio.org  Wed Jan  6 01:29:28 2010
From: kosa at piradio.org (Kosa)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:29:28 -0600
Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <f8d5d4f30912291234y72b398cs2a9325c654955d86@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
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 On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa <risto at kurppa.fi> wrote:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
Yes
> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?
Yes
> What distribution you run most of the time?
shr-u



From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Wed Jan  6 01:45:05 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 00:45:05 +0000
Subject: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation
In-Reply-To: <20100105161619.GB14531@leth.yi.org>
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2010/1/5 Viktor Lindberg <leth at leth.yi.org>:

> I don't wish to be rude but you're not actually contradicting anything
> i'm saying afaict

Actually I think I am a bit.  You said "Not just open for anyone to
examine as is the case with Open Source", which sounds to me like you
are saying that people cannot modify or redistribute Open Source code.

But in fact they can, according to every OSI-approved license that
I've heard of.

> thought you are putting the words diffrently to
> emphasis that Open Source would have a better technical solution, i'm
> not sure that is the case, it might be true to some extent yes.

It sounds like you think that I'm supporting the Open Source point of
view.  I'm not; I was just trying to describe the philosophical
difference as clearly as possible.  As it happens, I strongly prefer
the Free Software point of view - and I completely agree with what you
write next:

> But
> when you have virtues and value ethics highly you might have to avoid
> certain methods which you consider evil to some extent.
>
> And frankly to use any GNU/Linux distribution as an example, Free
> Software is not that technically inferior. [...]

> Yes it is true that the Open Source movement likes to focus on the
> technical advantages of Open Source Software, but it's not true to say
> that good technical solution is ignored by the Free Software
> movement.

Well I certainly hope not, given that I've been working (on and off)
on a FSF project for more than 10 years now...  :-)

Best wishes,
      Neil


From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Wed Jan  6 02:01:01 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 01:01:01 +0000
Subject: why GPS is not in resources list ? (devs see framewrokd log)
In-Reply-To: <267bb6671001051358v852bd71i9f16ffc53bb15799@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6671001051358v852bd71i9f16ffc53bb15799@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49dd78621001051701w15271dc5se6377c946d6e4a74@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/5 dehqan65 <dehqan65 at gmail.com>:

> This is frameworkd.log > http://pastebin.com/me4626ff
>
> Traceback :
>
> KeyError: '/dev/ttySAC1'
> ?gpsdev = globals()[devname]( controller.bus, channel )

What software are you using on your Freerunner?  Googling shows a few
cases of the ogsmd factory method failing, but they're all quite old,
and apparently fixed.  So maybe using a newer distribution would help,
if you aren't already.

On the other hand, none of the cases that I found had "KeyError:
'dev/ttySAC1'", so this could be an unrelated new problem.

> Also :
> root at om-gta02 ~ $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged
> /org/freesmartphone/Usage \
> ?> org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy GPS enabled
> ? /org/freesmartphone/Usage: SetResourcePolicy failed:
> org.freesmartphone.Usage.ResourceUnknown (Resource GPS had never been
> registered)

I think this is expected, given that ogpsd has failed to start up.

Regards,
      Neil


From martin.jansa at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 02:21:34 2010
From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 02:21:34 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] UBI success story
In-Reply-To: <201001041437.14500.ml@chonyota.net>
References: <201001041437.14500.ml@chonyota.net>
Message-ID: <20100106012134.GA3211@jama>

On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 02:37:14PM +0100, Christoph Mair wrote:
> > Ah great!, thanks
> Remember that ubi0:rootfs specifies the volume name. The current ubinize.cfg 
> sets this name to om-gta02-rootfs, so change this to ubi0:om-gta02-rootfs

I've removed some UBI debug after max_posedon request and those 2
success stories..

With disabled BGT it seems a bit better also here.

Today I successfully booted ubifs rootfs with Qi too (I'm using 2.6.32,
max_posedon seems happy with standard shr kernel - 2.6.29-rc3). 2.6.32
won't suspend yet (WSOD) but its imho a bit faster.

just after few steps:

1) booting 2.6.32 kernel on uSD
http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/2.6.32/images/om-gta02/
download uImage to /boot 
download modules and untar it to /
update uImage link in /boot

2) flash image
flash_eraseall /dev/mtd6
nandwrite -p /dev/mtd6 shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20100105-om-gta02.rootfs.ubi
(almost the same ubinized image will finish build in few mins as
http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20100105-om-gta02.rootfs.ubi)

3) then test if it works 
ubiattach /dev/ubi_ctrl -O 2048 -m 6
mount -t ubifs ubi0:om-gta02-rootfs /media/om
ls /media/om

3) update Qi with dfu-util
qi built here
http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ 
is still using jffs2 in kernel params
but you can you binary from here
http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr.images/om-gta02/qi-s3c2442-1.0.2+gitr0+c38b062a609f1442e6a9e13005cfbdfd59a5ac0d.udfu
or build Qi yourself with bitbake from latest shr/merge branch + this patch:
http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr.images/om-gta02/0014-qi-update-kernel-params-for-ubi-rootfs.patch

4) flash 2.6.32 also to NAND

5) boot it, test it, play with it

max_posedon provided some bonnie++ results from UBI, please run bonnie++
on jffs2 if you have jffs2 partition (bonnie++ is now in shr-unstable feeds).

<snip from="http://pastebin.ca/1739342">
root at localhost / $ bonnie\+\+ -u 0:0
Using uid:0, gid:0.
Writing with putc()...done
Writing intelligently...done
Rewriting...done
Reading with getc()...done
Reading intelligently...done
start 'em...done...done...done...
Create files in sequential order...done.
Stat files in sequential order...done.
Delete files in sequential order...done.
Create files in random order...done.
Stat files in random order...done.
Delete files in random order...done.
Version 1.03c       ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input-
--Random-
                    -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block--
--Seeks--
Machine        Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP
/sec %CP
localhost      300M  1512  72  4878  60  2696  58  1587  98  5519  96
640.6  96
                    ------Sequential Create------ --------Random
Create--------
                    -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read---
-Delete--
              files  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP
/sec %CP
                 16   889  98  2619  99   802  95   883  97 15728  87
640  98
localhost,300M,1512,72,4878,60,2696,58,1587,98,5519,96,640.6,96,16,889,98,2619,99,802,95,883,97,15728,87,640,98

</snip>

Cheers,

-- 
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Jansa Martin                 sip:jamasip at voip.wengo.fr 
JaMa                         


From billk at iinet.net.au  Wed Jan  6 05:10:21 2010
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:10:21 +0800
Subject: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator
In-Reply-To: <58a51a771001050955r4222d176yd27a703216c85c0b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262713193121-4256370.post@n2.nabble.com>
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On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 18:55 +0100, Stefan Fr?be wrote:
> Don't know about any configuration options, but had the same issues
> and changed it in my geocaching patch:
> 
> 
> change this line in src/gps_functions.c after
> setting global_font_scale to sth like 40:
> 
> 
> @@ -94,7 +94,7 @@ osd_speed(gboolean force_redraw)
>   layout  = pango_layout_new (context);
>   desc    = pango_font_description_new();
>   
> - pango_font_description_set_size (desc, 60 * PANGO_SCALE);
> + pango_font_description_set_size (desc, 60 * PANGO_SCALE *
> global_font_scale /100);
>   pango_layout_set_font_description (layout, desc);
>   pango_layout_set_text (layout, buffer, strlen(buffer));
>   
> 
> 
> HTH, Stefan
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:39 PM, vancel35 <vancel at thespazcat.com>
> wrote:
>         
>         I've noticed that each version that I've upgraded of TangoGPS
>         has increased
>         the font size for the speed display on the map screen.  I
>         don't need or want
>         it to take up 1/4 of the screen as it does now.  I've looked
>         inside the
>         TangoGPS config file (~.gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml), but I
>         couldn't see
>         any options to set the font size.  Although I have to admit
>         that some of the
>         config option names are slightly cryptic.
>         
>         Is there a setting to reduce the font size?
>         
>         Thanks for any info.
>         
>         -Laura
>         --

This could be a very useful fix!  I am currently rebuilding tangogps but
one thing I am not sure of - where do you "after setting
global_font_scale to sth like 40"?

I gave feed back to Martin that the digits were too large (the tangogps
developer) about the font size on early versions, but the digits keep
getting bigger each version (it seems :(

Here, many road systems run nw->sw so its real display stealer when
driving. 

BillK







From undrwater at verizon.net  Wed Jan  6 07:34:33 2010
From: undrwater at verizon.net (undrwater)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 22:34:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SHR-U] Current Profile Settings couldn't connect to FSO
Message-ID: <1262759673290-4259443.post@n2.nabble.com>


That's what I"m seeing in the profile settings window.  Phone does not ring
or vibrate.

Here's possibly relevant output of phoneuid.log:

2010.01.05 21:33:38.079593 [phoneuid]	MESSAGE: Using log level 'INFO'
2010.01.05 21:33:38.118154 [libphone-ui]	MESSAGE: Loading phoneuid
2010.01.05 21:33:43.928516 [libphone-ui]	MESSAGE: No speaker value for idle
found, using none
2010.01.05 21:33:43.928922 [libphone-ui]	MESSAGE: No microphone value for
idle found, using none
2010.01.05 21:33:43.979228 [libphone-ui]	MESSAGE: no vibrator configured -
turning vibration off
2010.01.05 21:33:45.085501 [libphone-ui-shr]	WARNING: No such file or
directory

I'm up to date on upgrades, and I've tried reinstalling dbus, fso,
libphone-ui, and a few others I don't remember without luck.
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From risto at kurppa.fi  Wed Jan  6 09:52:13 2010
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:52:13 +0200
Subject: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator
In-Reply-To: <1262751021.19470.26.camel@rattus>
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As there are now many Tangogps patches that seem to struggle to get to
the official tangogps - would it be possible to collect them all on a
single (wiki?) page? Maybe even provide a new .ipk with these patches
- I for example don't have the skills to compile it again for some
patches..

Just to make the patches usable for as many as possible.

r

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:10 AM, William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 18:55 +0100, Stefan Fr?be wrote:
>> Don't know about any configuration options, but had the same issues
>> and changed it in my geocaching patch:
>>
>>
>> change this line in src/gps_functions.c after
>> setting global_font_scale to sth like 40:
>>
>>
>> @@ -94,7 +94,7 @@ osd_speed(gboolean force_redraw)
>> ? layout ?= pango_layout_new (context);
>> ? desc ? ?= pango_font_description_new();
>>
>> - pango_font_description_set_size (desc, 60 * PANGO_SCALE);
>> + pango_font_description_set_size (desc, 60 * PANGO_SCALE *
>> global_font_scale /100);
>> ? pango_layout_set_font_description (layout, desc);
>> ? pango_layout_set_text (layout, buffer, strlen(buffer));
>>
>>
>>
>> HTH, Stefan
>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:39 PM, vancel35 <vancel at thespazcat.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ? ? ? ? I've noticed that each version that I've upgraded of TangoGPS
>> ? ? ? ? has increased
>> ? ? ? ? the font size for the speed display on the map screen. ?I
>> ? ? ? ? don't need or want
>> ? ? ? ? it to take up 1/4 of the screen as it does now. ?I've looked
>> ? ? ? ? inside the
>> ? ? ? ? TangoGPS config file (~.gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml), but I
>> ? ? ? ? couldn't see
>> ? ? ? ? any options to set the font size. ?Although I have to admit
>> ? ? ? ? that some of the
>> ? ? ? ? config option names are slightly cryptic.
>>
>> ? ? ? ? Is there a setting to reduce the font size?
>>
>> ? ? ? ? Thanks for any info.
>>
>> ? ? ? ? -Laura
>> ? ? ? ? --
>
> This could be a very useful fix! ?I am currently rebuilding tangogps but
> one thing I am not sure of - where do you "after setting
> global_font_scale to sth like 40"?
>
> I gave feed back to Martin that the digits were too large (the tangogps
> developer) about the font size on early versions, but the digits keep
> getting bigger each version (it seems :(
>
> Here, many road systems run nw->sw so its real display stealer when
> driving.
>
> BillK
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>



-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From marcus.bauer at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 10:01:06 2010
From: marcus.bauer at gmail.com (Marcus Bauer)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:01:06 +0100
Subject: tangogps 0.99.1
In-Reply-To: <4B41E972.1030700@sapo.pt>
References: <20091122143645.46fbea80@acer>
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Hi Vasco,

On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:13:22 +0000
Vasco N?voa <vasco.nevoa at sapo.pt> wrote:

> Hi Marcus and all others.
> Is there a way to remove or make smaller the speed indicator (big 
> numbers) on tangogps?

I'll make that configurable in one of the next versions of tangoGPS.

> I find it very irritating and it does cover a large portion of the
> screen...

That is due to a suboptimal dpi setting of your screen. The fact that
the screen is physically 285dpi does not mean that the Xserver has to
be set to this value - I guess nobody is professionally using the Neo
as a CAD front end. 

For a normal user the right size is a mix between screen dpi and
distance of the screen to the eye. The Freerunner's screen dpi is very
high but you will roughly hold it half an arm length away from your
eyes while your desktop monitor will be about twice that far away.

Taking this into account a dpi setting of ~140-150 will result in a
well readable 10-12pt font. But instead some distributions chose to use
silly values like 3.5 for the terminal font which result in device
dependent settings.

Compare it to a huge billboard advertising: they are printed with very
low dpi but due to the much larger viewing distance this is compensated.

tangoGPS is made to be device independent and given reasonable values
it should always display well.


> Also, while you're at it, the numbers on the scale (bottom
> left corner) have non-transparent background and this covers up a
> little of the map and most of the scale ruler.

This is the same problem, some distributions have insane settings for
the dpi which makes the font appear too big.

> Just a note. ;)

All righty, I'll make it configurable :^)

> Cheers,
> Vasco.


Regards,
Marcus


From marcus.bauer at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 10:08:26 2010
From: marcus.bauer at gmail.com (Marcus Bauer)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:08:26 +0100
Subject: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator
In-Reply-To: <1262713193121-4256370.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <20100106100826.561044a7@acer>

On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:39:53 -0800 (PST)
vancel35 <vancel at thespazcat.com> wrote:

> 
> I've noticed that each version that I've upgraded of TangoGPS has
> increased the font size for the speed display on the map screen.

Nope. I just had a quick look: it was 72pt in the beginning and now is
at 60pt since version 0.9.8.


> I've looked inside the TangoGPS config file
> (~.gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml), but I couldn't see any options to
> set the font size.

You should never fiddle with a text editor anything in ~/.gconf  - bad
things may happen.

I'll add an option for configuring it.

Regards,
Marcus


From marcus.bauer at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 10:23:41 2010
From: marcus.bauer at gmail.com (Marcus Bauer)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:23:41 +0100
Subject: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator
In-Reply-To: <1262751021.19470.26.camel@rattus>
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On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:10:21 +0800
Bill <billk at iinet.net.au> wrote:

> I gave feed back to Martin that the digits were too large (the
> tangogps developer)

Hi Borat, I will tell Martin once I meet him :p

> but the
> digits keep getting bigger each version (it seems :(

They got smaller. I may change them from point to pixel size so they
remain the same indepentenly of changing screen dpi settings of the
distribution.


Marcus


From dehqan65 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 11:07:50 2010
From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (dehqan65)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:37:50 +0330
Subject: why GPS is not in resources list ? (devs see framewrokd log)
In-Reply-To: <49dd78621001051701w15271dc5se6377c946d6e4a74@mail.gmail.com>
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In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful

hello;

OS : SHR testing (Rootfs
ver.<http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20091218-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2>
)
App : Navit that is installed with opkg instal navit . (ver. 0.2.0)
FR : A7

Regards dehqan
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From marcus.bauer at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 11:11:53 2010
From: marcus.bauer at gmail.com (Marcus Bauer)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:11:53 +0100
Subject: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator
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On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:52:13 +0200
"Risto H. Kurppa" <risto at kurppa.fi> wrote:

> As there are now many Tangogps patches that seem to struggle to get to
> the official tangogps 

Stop your FUDing, Risto. There is a great video about poisonous people
on google lectures made by the devs of svn and you, Risto, are certainly
one of them.

Not enough that you have been harrassing me in private mails to a point
that I was close to stop development on tangoGPS you have now hijacked
#tangogps in freenode against the policies of freenode.net.

You haven't done anything for tangogps but molesting me and spreading
FUD where ever possible. You haven't even done a translation which
needs no programming skills whatsoever.

It is poisous people like you who only talk and demand in an
offensive way but never do anything.

You have aggressed me when I put the donate button on the website but
rest assured I have got less dontations overall than Dr. Lauer has
earned in one single week while working for openmoko. And yet tangogps
is apart from the phone functions the most used app on the Freerunner.

It is poisonous people like you who make developers turn their back to
open source / free software. Nobody likes to constantly being pissed on.

But luckily there are many people who appreciate all the work that
developers of open source / free software do for them. The countless
hours they spend without being paid. The idealism and the motivation
they have.

tangoGPS today is what it is because of it users. Because of those
users that appreciate it. Because of those users who send in their
friendly feedback. Because of those users who do an effort of getting
it to run on an older version of an eeePC. Because of packagers doing a
great job of packaging it. Because of translators translating it.
Because of people writing their experiences with it. Because of people
donating 5$ for buying me a virtual pizza.


Marcus









From billk at iinet.net.au  Wed Jan  6 11:50:49 2010
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:50:49 +0800
Subject: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator
In-Reply-To: <20100106102341.4ca4f2db@acer>
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On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 10:23 +0100, Marcus Bauer wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:10:21 +0800
> Bill <billk at iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> > I gave feed back to Martin that the digits were too large (the
> > tangogps developer)
> 
> Hi Borat, I will tell Martin once I meet him :p
> 
> > but the
> > digits keep getting bigger each version (it seems :(
> 
> They got smaller. I may change them from point to pixel size so they
> remain the same indepentenly of changing screen dpi settings of the
> distribution.
> 
> 
> Marcus
> 

heh heh, sorry, I should have looked up your name to be sure.

This is my most used GPS app and the digit size is my only real beef
with it - it works well.

On the FR in landscape mode, the digits (at anything over 100km/h -
(spent two long days travelling at ~110km/h speed recently!) take up
almost a quarter of the screen (in X and Y) - I just tried with the
suggested patch/change and a global_font_scale of "40" was still a bit
large.  "30" is perhaps a touch small (text height is the same as the
buttons), but I'll live with it for awhile and see how it goes.

One plus, the display updates are now smooth and almost unnoticeable -
before the screen would often partially update and then catch up a
couple of seconds later.

The changing to red at 50km/h affects the visibility of the digits at
the smaller sizes and is a pretty useless thing anyway (our limit is
110kmh in the country, 60 on city roads and 50 in backstreets so you
hardly ever/rarely stay in the black zone - kinda defeats the purpose!).
A presettable limit would be nice.

These things are always a tradeoff with different users having different
ideas so user preferences would be the best way to go I think.

a shr-t ipk with global_font_scale=30 is at
"http://wdk.dyndns.org/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/tangogps_0.99.1-r0.4_armv4t.ipk" for the adventurous :)

BillK





From rms at 1407.org  Wed Jan  6 11:51:07 2010
From: rms at 1407.org (Rui Miguel Silva Seabra)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:51:07 +0000
Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.1001022314340.8742@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.1001022314340.8742@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu>
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Em 03-01-2010 06:10, Ken Young escreveu:
>> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

Yes.

>> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

There's no decent PDA software for the FR, and I have no other, so No.

>> What distribution you run most of the time?

SHR-u

Rui


From billk at iinet.net.au  Wed Jan  6 11:56:50 2010
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:56:50 +0800
Subject: why GPS is not in resources list ? (devs see framewrokd log)
In-Reply-To: <267bb6671001060207q191b0967t99df848080ffd377@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6671001051358v852bd71i9f16ffc53bb15799@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 13:37 +0330, dehqan65 wrote:
> In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful
> 
> hello;
> 
> OS : SHR testing (Rootfs ver.)
> App : Navit that is installed with opkg instal navit . (ver. 0.2.0)
> FR : A7
> 
> Regards dehqan
> 

Does it work without navit? - settings/location/manual mode and turn on.
It will eventually get lock if its working and doesnt have a corrupt
agps data file.

Have you removed the pickle file? - settings/locations/remove agps data

Have you removed the battery for a few minutes? - I find that when gps
dies, this is sometimes the only thing that will get it back.

BillK





From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Wed Jan  6 12:11:46 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:11:46 +0000
Subject: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator
In-Reply-To: <1262775049.19470.91.camel@rattus>
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2010/1/6 William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:
>
> This is my most used GPS app and the digit size is my only real beef
> with it - it works well.

I'd like to second that.  tangogps (+ GPRS) was fantastically useful
during my post-Christmas tour of the relatives.  The new routing
function especially rocks.  I just set it up, hand the phone to my
wife or 6 year old son, and they just make sure we stay on the green
line.  (I plan to make a donation shortly.)

> The changing to red at 50km/h [...]

Just an amusing note here...  The changing to red thing happens at 50
even when the speed is in _miles_ per hour.  It would make better
sense for the change to happen at 30mph, since 30mph is (roughly) the
same as 50km/h.

Finally, FWIW, on Debian I haven't noticed any problem with the font size.

Regards,
       Neil


From marcus.bauer at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 12:18:15 2010
From: marcus.bauer at gmail.com (Marcus Bauer)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:18:15 +0100
Subject: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator
In-Reply-To: <1262775049.19470.91.camel@rattus>
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	<58a51a771001050955r4222d176yd27a703216c85c0b@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:50:49 +0800
William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au> wrote:

> On the FR in landscape mode, the digits (at anything over 100km/h -
> (spent two long days travelling at ~110km/h speed recently!) take up
> almost a quarter of the screen (in X and Y) - I just tried with the
> suggested patch/change and a global_font_scale of "40" was still a bit
> large.  "30" is perhaps a touch small (text height is the same as the
> buttons), but I'll live with it for awhile and see how it goes.

Can you put up somewhere a screenshot or send me one? It really differs
from distro to distro...

> One plus, the display updates are now smooth and almost unnoticeable -
> before the screen would often partially update and then catch up a
> couple of seconds later.
> 
> The changing to red at 50km/h affects the visibility of the digits at
> the smaller sizes and is a pretty useless thing anyway (our limit is
> 110kmh in the country, 60 on city roads and 50 in backstreets so you
> hardly ever/rarely stay in the black zone - kinda defeats the
> purpose!). A presettable limit would be nice.

Ah yes. I have totally forgotten about it. I can add that in too.

Marcus


From ant at truebox.co.uk  Wed Jan  6 15:55:12 2010
From: ant at truebox.co.uk (Antony King)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:55:12 +0000
Subject: Batteries for sale
Message-ID: <201001061455.12362.ant@truebox.co.uk>

Just a quick plug to say we've currently got batteries on offer, ?14.69 
including uk p&p and vat, or 2 for ?26.44

https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Shop&thiscat=8

We've got a small number of phones and debug kits left too - A7 version.

We can probably do a deal for quantities - send a message via our website if 
you are interested.

-- 

Antony King
Systems Consultant
www.truebox.co.uk


From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 17:28:07 2010
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:28:07 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <1262647828.25671.0.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<bc2d57b41001041008m29e084d2n3ee47b9a179b5d7d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1262647828.25671.0.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc81001060828r3b0a56a1l21356842b7a73d4b@mail.gmail.com>

What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or
somehow put fso on it?

- Google Nexus
http://www.google.com/phone/

- Motorola MILESTONE (US version: Droid)
http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/XW-EN/Consumer-Products-and-Services/Mobile-Phones/Motorola-MILESTONE-XW-EN

Already rooted the US version (Droid):
http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=236&t=567

- Nokia N900
http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

- Palm Pre
http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/

- Apple iphone
http://www.apple.com/iphone/

Maybe apple iphone seems unrealistic, but the hardware is quite
similar to the other ones.
Almost all of the aboves uses omap3430 processor. Google Nexus uses
snapdragon...

Is there some site, who tracks the process of RE of each individual devices?

Best regards,
 Laszlo


From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Wed Jan  6 18:07:01 2010
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:07:01 +0200
Subject: dfu_download error -110
Message-ID: <3494db261001060907m64258ea1j831bce14270adb5a@mail.gmail.com>

when I tried to flash my FR with the latest SHR and after the kernel was
successfully installed, I got (somewhere in the middle of the process):

dfu_download error -110

please note, that I did try to re-install the latest qi bootloader (
http://people.openmoko.org/andy/qi-s3c2442-master-hist_3b8513d8b3d9615e.udfu)
but still get the same error!

Thanks

Tony
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From ole-om-community-2008 at mail.plastictree.net  Wed Jan  6 19:55:54 2010
From: ole-om-community-2008 at mail.plastictree.net (Ole Kliemann)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 18:55:54 +0000
Subject: [SHR] QVGA and WSOD
In-Reply-To: <20100102233828.GA3648@telvanni.starfleet>
References: <20091230133108.GB3627@telvanni.starfleet>
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On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 11:38:28PM +0000, Ole Kliemann wrote:
> I figured it out this far:
> 
> The problem is independent of X. If you stop the Xserver and do
> 
> 	# echo "qvga-normal" > /sys/bus/spi/devices/spi2.0/state
> 	# fbset 240x320
> 
> with /etc/fb.modes as follows
> 
> 	mode "240x320"
> 		geometry 240 320 240 320 16
> 		timings 100000 8 88 2 2 8 2
> 	endmode
> 
> then there is a high probability that the screen will fade to WSOD. This
> is on latest shr-unstable. 
> 
> If I flash this kernel [1] from September, keeping the rootfs at latest
> shr-unstable, the problem does not occur. 
> 
> You can then start X and have 240x320 resolution, suspend works without
> problems.  Just there are still some horizontal stripe like from bad
> timings. What could be the right timings?
> 
> I have so far encounter no problems from using the older kernel.
> 
> [1] http://buildhost.shr-project.org/shr-obsolete/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119844+a3587e4ed77974adfb057af261aaeea4022018e8-r3.5-om-gta02.bin 

Problem remains with kernel-image-2.6.29-rc3_2.6.29-oe11+gitr119861+b90406de472c1aa5371ab593a2bb79136d5de658-r7.4_om-gta02.ipk from the unstable feed. Reflashing [1] fixes it again.
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From openmoko at underhand.org  Wed Jan  6 18:27:52 2010
From: openmoko at underhand.org (Dave Ball)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:27:52 +0000
Subject: Whither open hardware ? 
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References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.1001022314340.8742@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu>	<20100103144727.GA4240@almesberger.net>	<c4cd0cc81001031139x4e17b49fm675ed4e6aba47ecf@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4B44C818.8080109@underhand.org>

Hi Werner,

Werner Almesberger wrote:
> There are many component choices for future phones. Things to consider 
> when choosing chips include:
<snip>
> - are they available (to us) ?
>   

What's the yard stick for measuring against here?  I.e. are we talking 
about one-off from digikey/farnell, samples direct from the 
manufacturer, or limited-run (couple of hundreds) quantities?

> - what are the integration costs ?
is this things like placement of awkward (small pitch etc.) parts,  
FPC's etc.,  or ancillary parts such as partner chips?

> - do they work as intended ?
>   
Hehehe. :-)

Is the normal route of sourcing via a factory (even for prototypes 
etc.)?  From a few searches it seems that getting hold of some parts 
(i.e. screens / touch layers) is incredibly difficult for one-offs.


Dave


From hersche at puzzle.ch  Wed Jan  6 18:52:59 2010
From: hersche at puzzle.ch (Vinzenz Hersche)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 18:52:59 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] UBI success story
In-Reply-To: <20100106012134.GA3211@jama>
References: <201001041437.14500.ml@chonyota.net> <20100106012134.GA3211@jama>
Message-ID: <201001061852.59146.hersche@puzzle.ch>

could you make a wikientry with step by step-instructions for interested 
peobles (like me?)

how much faster it is about?


From jim at anconafamily.com  Wed Jan  6 18:57:33 2010
From: jim at anconafamily.com (Jim Ancona)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:57:33 -0500
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc81001060828r3b0a56a1l21356842b7a73d4b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<bc2d57b41001041008m29e084d2n3ee47b9a179b5d7d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262647828.25671.0.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
	<c4cd0cc81001060828r3b0a56a1l21356842b7a73d4b@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Laszlo KREKACS
<laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com> wrote:
> What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or
> somehow put fso on it?
>
> - Google Nexus
> http://www.google.com/phone/

The Nexus One has an "unlockable bootloader" built-in--just agree to
the risks of modifying firmware and you're in, no hacking required:
http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/49595

That's certainly a step in the right direction.

Jim

>
> - Motorola MILESTONE (US version: Droid)
> http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/XW-EN/Consumer-Products-and-Services/Mobile-Phones/Motorola-MILESTONE-XW-EN
>
> Already rooted the US version (Droid):
> http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=236&t=567
>
> - Nokia N900
> http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/
>
> - Palm Pre
> http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/
>
> - Apple iphone
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/
>
> Maybe apple iphone seems unrealistic, but the hardware is quite
> similar to the other ones.
> Almost all of the aboves uses omap3430 processor. Google Nexus uses
> snapdragon...
>
> Is there some site, who tracks the process of RE of each individual devices?
>
> Best regards,
> ?Laszlo
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From monnier at iro.umontreal.ca  Wed Jan  6 19:24:03 2010
From: monnier at iro.umontreal.ca (Stefan Monnier)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:24:03 -0500
Subject: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation
References: <1260385329576-4141297.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1262540441857-4246609.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<49dd78621001030951x22cb3823peadc0c60e22a7347@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262555262091-4247408.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<26fea52c1001040317rbb51ba2mf8f8ea951f794d2d@mail.gmail.com>
	<49dd78621001041243p78a7c5a6wbcef7521db141149@mail.gmail.com>
	<18db98c81001041411o7af9aa13ree5ad1125850d6d@mail.gmail.com>
	<c30e08171001041518h100e2423j1d90f0806bfb69f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u51272ot41evsb@mcrkoord.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1001051143420.3955@anni>
	<op.u517aoel41evsb@mcrkoord.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <jwv7hrv14dz.fsf-monnier+gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community@gnu.org>

> a) the group "free software" is nothing but a combination of an adjective  
> and a substantive, the adjective qualifying the substantive

That might be the case, but in the context of distributing a piece of
software in the context of GNU/Linux, "free software" refers to
the FSF's notion.
Any other use is a misuse,


        Stefan



From kichkasch at gmx.de  Wed Jan  6 19:25:11 2010
From: kichkasch at gmx.de (Michael Pilgermann)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:25:11 +0100
Subject: Openmoko projects page down
Message-ID: <4B44D587.509@gmx.de>


Dear all,

I have experienced problems in accessing the Openmoko Projects web page
(http://projects.openmoko.org/) for a couple of days now; always
receiving the following error message:

"OpenMokoProjects Could Not Connect to Database: "

I am using this page for my development projects; any idea, whom to
contact to getting this resolved?

Thanks in advance; best regards
Michael

PS: I heart rumours, that the maintainer has disappeared.? Any more
input on that? How could (instead) restart the web- and database servers?

PPS: Do you know any other good place to host projects for the
Freerunner / SHR?


From esteban.francisco at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 20:15:49 2010
From: esteban.francisco at gmail.com (Esteban Monge)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:15:49 -0600
Subject: QMokoPlayer - QtMoko v16
In-Reply-To: <ef378ab31001051249p370f83fdh3c141a7f12cb056@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef378ab31001051249p370f83fdh3c141a7f12cb056@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ef378ab31001061115u1d7dfbd7gf77305819d4f5879@mail.gmail.com>

I have reinstalled the package and now works good, I dont know because the
scan button dont appears.

Thanks

-- 
http://nuevaeracr.blogspot.com
Linux user number 478378
Linux machine number 386687
Tec. Esteban Monge Mar?n
Tel: (506) 8379-3562

?No habr? manera de desarrollarnos y salir de
la pobreza mientras los pocos negocios
grandes de nuestro medio se entreguen a las
econom?as for?neas y nosotros nos
quedemos con solo negocios de pobre,
mientras en vez de ser propietarios de nuestro
propio pa?s nos convirtamos en un ej?rcito de
empleados del exterior?
Jos? Figueres Ferrer, 1952.
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From dehqan65 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 20:17:47 2010
From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (dehqan65)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:47:47 +0330
Subject: [Shr-User] why GPS is not in resources list ? (devs see 
	framewrokd log)
In-Reply-To: <1262775410.19470.95.camel@rattus>
References: <267bb6671001051358v852bd71i9f16ffc53bb15799@mail.gmail.com>
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In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful

hello;
Problem solved . it occured with bad device name in /var/log/frameworkd.log


Regards dehqan
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From ben.cadieux at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 21:04:53 2010
From: ben.cadieux at gmail.com (Ben Cadieux)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:04:53 -0800
Subject: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests 
	and personality /in person/?
In-Reply-To: <d30d40f11001012001u266fc20al8c8d1b0d391b060e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d30d40f10909101312q6cbd303cw3edf5ffa2fa4c2db@mail.gmail.com>
	<d30d40f10911120643g6d831dcct37f32b530c6f72dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<d30d40f10911301447g134cde48i8e59a4da2d5ccde8@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Brolin,

Just a few things to remember:

1. This list is public; these posts will remain available through
search engines for quite some time.  You have posted many details that
may cause you trouble or embarrassment in the future.

2. Think about what others need to know, or would like to know, before
writing.  Brevity both in writing and speech is important.  You don't
want to annoy or bore others with irrelevant information, nor seem
boring by giving away all your thoughts.

All the best to you and your endeavours :)

Best Regards,
Ben Cadieux


From hersche at puzzle.ch  Wed Jan  6 21:42:29 2010
From: hersche at puzzle.ch (Vinzenz Hersche)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:42:29 +0100
Subject: Openmoko projects page down
In-Reply-To: <4B44D587.509@gmx.de>
References: <4B44D587.509@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <201001062142.30158.hersche@puzzle.ch>

to your pps.. if you want, you could use a place on my server..
or sourceforge is also nice and for versioncontrolling, i personaly could 
recommend github..
greets
-----------------------------------------------
Michael schrieb am Mittwoch 06 Januar 2010:

Dear all,

I have experienced problems in accessing the Openmoko Projects web page
(http://projects.openmoko.org/) for a couple of days now; always
receiving the following error message:

"OpenMokoProjects Could Not Connect to Database: "

I am using this page for my development projects; any idea, whom to
contact to getting this resolved?

Thanks in advance; best regards
Michael

PS: I heart rumours, that the maintainer has disappeared.? Any more
input on that? How could (instead) restart the web- and database servers?

PPS: Do you know any other good place to host projects for the
Freerunner / SHR?

_______________________________________________
Openmoko community mailing list
community at lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


From michael_zanetti at gmx.net  Wed Jan  6 21:57:18 2010
From: michael_zanetti at gmx.net (Michael Zanetti)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:57:18 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc81001060828r3b0a56a1l21356842b7a73d4b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<1262647828.25671.0.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
	<c4cd0cc81001060828r3b0a56a1l21356842b7a73d4b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001062157.22247.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>

On Wednesday 06 January 2010 17:28:07 Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
> What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or
> somehow put fso on it?
> 
> 
> - Nokia N900
> http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

The N900 runs a debian like linux with an X11 server. I'm pretty sure it would 
be possible to put FSO on it. It is pretty much open. You can reflash it with 
the official nokia flasher and get root access without any hazzle. Basically 
everything running on debian-arm will run on the n900 (after re-packaging - no 
recompiling).

http://maemo.org

There is also a community based Distro called Mer. It is completely open 
source and based on ubuntu. There is also a freerunner port of it somewhere 
around the net.


> 
> - Palm Pre
> http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/
> 

I had the chance to play around with a Palm Pre. You can activate a serial 
terminal through USB by pressing some fancy key combos. After that you can 
install usb networking and dropbear ssh. You'll find an openembedded linux 
with a very limited version of ipkg. However, you can activate openembedded 
repositories and have pretty much everything you have on an openwrt router. No 
X11 though.

http://www.webos-internals.org

> - Apple iphone
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/
> 

IIRC there is a linux distribution for the iPhone. I have no idea what state 
they have reached... I wouldn't hope too much that FSO is useful on iPhones 
MacOS though... Anyways, IMHO the constant locking/jailbraeking race with 
apple isn't worth it.

About android. Just install it on your FR and play a little around. It is 
pretty much the same you can expect from any android phone I guess (except 
better stability and performance then on the freerunner)... 

From what I've seen every manufacturer (except Apple) lets you reflash the 
phone selecting your own image and getting root access without big hazzle. But 
they are all trying to hide the linux side as much as possible except Nokia. 
The N900 comes with X11 and x-term preinstalled and you have the possibility 
to add devel-repositories where you can even contribute your own projects. gcc 
is just an apt-get install away :)


Cheers,
Michael
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From risto at kurppa.fi  Wed Jan  6 22:36:21 2010
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:36:21 +0200
Subject: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator
In-Reply-To: <20100106111153.776db6ff@acer>
References: <1262713193121-4256370.post@n2.nabble.com>
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Marcus Bauer <marcus.bauer at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:52:13 +0200
> "Risto H. Kurppa" <risto at kurppa.fi> wrote:
>
>> As there are now many Tangogps patches that seem to struggle to get to
>> the official tangogps
>
> Stop your FUDing, Risto. There is a great video about poisonous people
> on google lectures made by the devs of svn and you, Risto, are certainly
> one of them.

It must be this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSFDm3UYkeE
Looks interesting, I'll watch it some day.

> You haven't done anything for tangogps but molesting me and spreading
> FUD where ever possible. You haven't even done a translation which
> needs no programming skills whatsoever.

It's true, I haven't contributed to the code nor translations, Timo
Jyrinki translated Tangogps into Finnish.

Kustomizer, the script I wrote to turn OM2008.12 into full distro,
installed Tangogps (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kustomizer I don't
have stats from longer period, but the various versions of the script
have been downloaded 5 times already in January 2010 although
Kustomizer's been discontinued for almost 10 months already.. Stop
using it people, go to SHR! ;)

I reviewed Tangogps, liked it a lot and gave it good grades:
http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2008/09/freerunner-compatible-gps-software/
(178 hits)

I passed on the word about a new release to the Freerunner community:
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/028535.html

In co-operation with the Open Source Geospatial Foundation I started a
mailing list to discuss FOSS-GPS related topics to connect the users &
developers:
http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2008/09/a-mailing-list-for-the-floss-gps-community/
(tangogps linked, 675 hits)
http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/invitation-for-all-open-source-gps-software-developers-and-users-to-join-foss-gps-mailing-list
(671 hits)

> Not enough that you have been harrassing me in private mails to a point
> that I was close to stop development on tangoGPS you have now hijacked
> #tangogps in freenode against the policies of freenode.net.

Yes, I started the IRC channel and now feel very sorry for doing it.
http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2009/11/two-new-irc-channels-tangogps-and-smile-slideshow/
(255 hits)
I did it to enable the users & devels to discuss it real time. We've
had some nice discussion there about some new tools other users have
written and helped other Tangogps users for example to configure map
repositories.

When I started the channel, I notified you about it (e-mail 11/15/09)
asking you to join so I could pass on the admin rights to you.
At that time, I didn't know you need to be the author or similar to
start a channel at Freenode. When someone pointed that out to me, I
was immediately co-operative to do whatever's needed to get things
straight. So if you think it's the best, I can leave the channel any
time, but I cannot force other people to do the same.

> It is poisous people like you who only talk and demand in an
> offensive way but never do anything.

Thank you Marcus for Tangogps. It's still maybe the most used single
application I use on my Freerunner.

The community shall be the judge and point me where did I go wrong.

r


-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From vancel at thespazcat.com  Wed Jan  6 22:58:42 2010
From: vancel at thespazcat.com (vancel35)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:58:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator
In-Reply-To: <20100106100826.561044a7@acer>
References: <1262713193121-4256370.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100106100826.561044a7@acer>
Message-ID: <1262815122970-4263566.post@n2.nabble.com>



Marcus Bauer wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:39:53 -0800 (PST)
> vancel35 <vancel at thespazcat.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I've noticed that each version that I've upgraded of TangoGPS has
>> increased the font size for the speed display on the map screen.
> 
> Nope. I just had a quick look: it was 72pt in the beginning and now is
> at 60pt since version 0.9.8.
> 
You mention the DPI in other posts, so that may be what's happening.   I
always update the DPI to make everything smaller, and this time I reflashed
didn't change it.  I'll have to update my DPI when I leave work today and
see if the speed font is smaller.  However, it would still be nice if it
were configurable. :D

The larger issue about DPI is that everything is too big on the screen.  I
like the icons to be finger-friendly, but the text below them doesn't need
to be readable from across the room... but that's not what we're discussing
here... just an explanation why I always fiddle with the DPI. ;)



Marcus Bauer wrote:
> 
>> I've looked inside the TangoGPS config file
>> (~.gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml), but I couldn't see any options to
>> set the font size.
> 
> You should never fiddle with a text editor anything in ~/.gconf  - bad
> things may happen.
> 
> I'll add an option for configuring it.
> 
> Regards,
> Marcus
> 
I was in vi, and if I don't change anything, I always do a :q! to lose
anything that might have accidentally changed.  I learned my lesson long
ago.

Did you change anything in the position / speed algorithm?  It doesn't seem
to have as much jitter when stopped as it did before.  But I've also updated
my distro of SHR-U to the December 5th release, so it may have been
something upstream.... or maybe just a coincidence.

Keep up the good work.  TangoGPS is an awesome program. :)

-Laura

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From fabian.schoelzel at googlemail.com  Wed Jan  6 23:00:19 2010
From: fabian.schoelzel at googlemail.com (Fabian =?iso-8859-1?q?Sch=F6lzel?=)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:00:19 +0100
Subject: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests
	and personality /in person/?
In-Reply-To: <70c3ee931001061204s2b2e8e27jc5282548cd14e85@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d30d40f10909101312q6cbd303cw3edf5ffa2fa4c2db@mail.gmail.com>
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	<70c3ee931001061204s2b2e8e27jc5282548cd14e85@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001062300.19412.fabian.schoelzel@googlemail.com>

Hi Ben,

i think it is clear that you want to tell him this in a positive way, but it 
quite sounds like you think it is a absolute and inevitable law to act as you 
propose. Maybe you don't see it that strict and you just want to give him good 
advice.

Well, it is right, that nobody wants to bore others with one's stuff and 
feelings - just because nobody has benefit from a monologue. But this is a 
mailing list and not a discussion with on or more persons face to face, and so 
you don't have a fixed number of listeners, nor have you direct feedback from 
their face or words. On a mailing list, you have as much listeners, as there 
are people who read the mails from Brolin just because they have interest. If 
there is only 1, that would be enough. Me for my self, i find a part of me in 
the thoughts and things Brolin describes. And i have interest.

You also said, that he could run into trouble because of the things he writes 
here. Well, that may be. Myself i think, only people, that are not able to 
deal with that amount of info and openness, would generate trouble out of this 
writings. I don't really see, where one can be too open and honest about 
himself. Is that really possible? We are all human beings, why would we want 
to hide parts of our existence? Why would we want to let taboos about what to 
say and what not to say stay? If someone don't want to read some specific 
stuff, then he should go on and do not read it. If someone (in 10 years for 
example) will make decisions or estimations on the basis of Brolins writings 
here and now - well, as i said, that may happen. Often people say "imagine 
they google you and don't give you a job". I would say: "Gladly, Brolin don't 
have to work and talk with people, who are just lost in the age of 
information."

I don't know if i am expressing my self correct, as english is not my mother 
tongue. What i want to say is: If more people are more open and honest and 
tell others about themselves, the only thing that happens is, that we get to 
know each other better and better. In my opinion, it can in no way be a good 
advice, to not say what you want to say.

Hm, i hope i made my self understandable. Please ask me, if not.

Cheers,
Fabian


From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 23:04:47 2010
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:04:47 +0100
Subject: FR as USB keyboard
Message-ID: <26fea52c1001061404w60ed3b9fh1f5041b005e132dc@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List

Does anyone know of a simple way to let the FR act like an USB keyboard?
(connecting it another machine with usb cable)
optional trackpad would also be nice of course

maybe http://hid-gadgetfs.sourceforge.net/ could help?


regards,
y
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From fercerpav at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 23:08:35 2010
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:08:35 +0300
Subject: Koolu's Qi fork (was: Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your
	Freerunner?)
In-Reply-To: <200912310051.17742.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk> (Al Johnson's
	message of "Thu\, 31 Dec 2009 00\:51\:17 +0000")
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
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	<c30e08170912301257t3873e1d5ne8bf73e16d47fbbc@mail.gmail.com>
	<200912310051.17742.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <m2ljga7uos.fsf_-_@home.pavel.comp>

Al Johnson <openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk> writes:
>> I only know about Android needing forked Qi. Which other distro also
>> requires you to have custom bootloader?
>
> I guess Android only needs a forked Qi because it needed different boot  
> parameters, and Qi can't read them from file when booting from NAND. I find 
> uboot very easy for multibooting.

First of all, i do not exactly understand why koolu decided that they
really need another MTD partitioning scheme. There was never any
discussion about that.

Second, they should have warned their users in a big bold letters.

-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com


From fercerpav at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 23:20:56 2010
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:20:56 +0300
Subject: Handset sound volume issues (Re: Buzz fix)
In-Reply-To: <4B4268F9.5070605@apertum.it> (info@apertum.it's message of "Mon\,
	04 Jan 2010 23\:17\:29 +0100")
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3E3E5D.60406@hvemder.dk> <20100101193503.GA9892@merkur.sol.de>
	<201001041853.09875.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<18db98c81001041405l2261666evd9ec3341fe7ac4ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4268F9.5070605@apertum.it>
Message-ID: <m2hbqy7u47.fsf_-_@home.pavel.comp>

-= Apertum =- <info at apertum.it> writes:
>> " The fix will remove that buzz but won't fix other issues
>> like rustling, echo or low volume. Those issues can mostly be
>> addressed with
>> software. "
>> The same happened to me, but i didn't find a viable software
>> cnfiguration to use the fr as a phone. What about you? I'm really
>> looking forward to replace my nokia N70 with fr for calls...
>>
>
> I agree.
>
> Me too i have especially the "low volume" problem (i'm with QtMoko). I
> tried everything via mixer software, but without any success: phone
> calls are always with tiny volume, in an open space or also in a car,
> it's really difficult to ear the call. My phone it's a V6 release and
> without any buzzfix.

Do you all understand that buzzfix has nothing to do with the volume
of sounds _you_ hear? If you cramp up the volume really high but the
handset speaker is still low it just means you have a unit with
useless caps (R3004/R3005 which are sometimes 1uF caps). There were
plenty of those. And no one can tell what hardware revisions
affected. Inability to get the handset speaker emit loud sound is a
clear sign. Just short those useless caps (0402 size iirc).

HTH
-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com


From info at apertum.it  Wed Jan  6 23:28:00 2010
From: info at apertum.it (-= Apertum =-)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:28:00 +0100
Subject: Handset sound volume issues (Re: Buzz fix)
In-Reply-To: <m2hbqy7u47.fsf_-_@home.pavel.comp>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>	<4B3E3E5D.60406@hvemder.dk>
	<20100101193503.GA9892@merkur.sol.de>	<201001041853.09875.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>	<18db98c81001041405l2261666evd9ec3341fe7ac4ec@mail.gmail.com>	<4B4268F9.5070605@apertum.it>
	<m2hbqy7u47.fsf_-_@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <4B450E70.1080300@apertum.it>



* Paul Fertser wrote, Il 06/01/2010 23:20:
>
> And no one can tell what hardware revisions
> affected. Inability to get the handset speaker emit loud sound is a
> clear sign. Just short those useless caps (0402 size iirc).
>
>   

Thanks a lot for the info.

And where is exactly located these caps, how to recognize it?

(I tried to find this info on the wiki, without success :-( )

-- 
Andrea


From maxposedon at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 23:34:00 2010
From: maxposedon at gmail.com (Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 00:34:00 +0200
Subject: [Shr-User] UBI success story
In-Reply-To: <201001061852.59146.hersche@puzzle.ch>
References: <201001041437.14500.ml@chonyota.net> <20100106012134.GA3211@jama>
	<201001061852.59146.hersche@puzzle.ch>
Message-ID: <792ba59f1001061434v42093d27u26d285515d4e534f@mail.gmail.com>

I just understand, that its wrong to test via boniee++ with default
params, which required write 300Mb data, neo have mtd just 256mb, and
both fs becomes **very** slow near ENOSPC.

So, I rerun all tests with -s 32 -m 16, also I tested ext3, and ext2
in sync/async mode.

=== ubifs ===       ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- --Random-
                    -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks--
Machine        Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP  /sec %CP
localhost       32M  1531  78  7594  73  4318  76  2195  98 42904  99  2805  87
                    ------Sequential Create------ --------Random Create--------
                    -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete--
              files  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP
                 16   887  94  2802  99   859  98   914  97 18084  99   659  98
localhost,32M,1531,78,7594,73,4318,76,2195,98,42904,99,2804.8,87,16,887,94,2802,99,859,98,914,97,18084,99,659,98


=== ext3, async === ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- --Random-
                    -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks--
Machine        Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP  /sec %CP
localhost       32M  1122  69  1911  40  2288  28  1832  82 43012  99  2923  98
                    ------Sequential Create------ --------Random Create--------
                    -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete--
              files  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP
                 16   111  96 18460  95  1315  85   111  95 20824  99   258  75
localhost,32M,1122,69,1911,40,2288,28,1832,82,43012,99,2923.0,98,16,111,96,18460,95,1315,85,111,95,20824,99,258,75


=== ext2, sync ===  ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- --Random-
                    -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks--
Machine        Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP  /sec %CP
localhost       32M    70   5   122   3   970  11  2196  98 42969  99  56.1   1
                    ------Sequential Create------ --------Random Create--------
                    -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete--
              files  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP
                 16    18  12 17609  89    14   2    18  12 20165  98     6   1
localhost,32M,70,5,122,3,970,11,2196,98,42969,99,56.1,1,16,18,12,17609,89,14,2,18,12,20165,98,6,1


=== ext2, async === ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- --Random-
                    -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks--
Machine        Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP  /sec %CP
localhost       32M  1319  70  2637  29  1997  16  1904  86 42504  99  3151  98
                    ------Sequential Create------ --------Random Create--------
                    -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete--
              files  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP
                 16   166  95 19707  98  2588  97   170  96 20644  99   321  63
localhost,32M,1319,70,2637,29,1997,16,1904,86,42504,99,3151.4,98,16,166,95,19707,98,2588,97,170,96,20644,99,321,63

Can somebody run
bonnie\+\+ -u 0:0 -s 32 -r 16
on jffs2 with at least 64Mb free space?


Also I want repoint people about
http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/445, we should ALWAYS mount
uSD/usb-etc async.

On 1/6/10, Vinzenz Hersche <hersche at puzzle.ch> wrote:
> could you make a wikientry with step by step-instructions for interested
> peobles (like me?)
>
> how much faster it is about?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From fercerpav at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 00:05:40 2010
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 02:05:40 +0300
Subject: Handset sound volume issues (Re: Buzz fix)
In-Reply-To: <4B450E70.1080300@apertum.it> (info@apertum.it's message of "Wed\,
	06 Jan 2010 23\:28\:00 +0100")
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3E3E5D.60406@hvemder.dk> <20100101193503.GA9892@merkur.sol.de>
	<201001041853.09875.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<18db98c81001041405l2261666evd9ec3341fe7ac4ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4268F9.5070605@apertum.it> <m2hbqy7u47.fsf_-_@home.pavel.comp>
	<4B450E70.1080300@apertum.it>
Message-ID: <m2d41m7s1n.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

-= Apertum =- <info at apertum.it> writes:
>> And no one can tell what hardware revisions
>> affected. Inability to get the handset speaker emit loud sound is a
>> clear sign. Just short those useless caps (0402 size iirc).
>>   
>
> Thanks a lot for the info.
>
> And where is exactly located these caps, how to recognize it?

Under the main shield (can take as long as 20 minutes to dismount :/). At
the bottom right of the sound IC, the component placement pdf is now
searchable (thanks to lindi-), so you should have no problems locating
those. While you're at it probably do a bassfix as well. And i really
advice to provide additional isolation between the upper can lid and
the components.

-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com


From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 00:48:38 2010
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 00:48:38 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <201001062157.22247.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<1262647828.25671.0.camel@bunyip.localdomain> 
	<c4cd0cc81001060828r3b0a56a1l21356842b7a73d4b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<201001062157.22247.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc81001061548t1c22f37fy6d2933bf4d16a897@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Michael Zanetti <michael_zanetti at gmx.net> wrote:
> The N900 runs a debian like linux with an X11 server. I'm pretty sure it would
> be possible to put FSO on it. It is pretty much open.

> http://maemo.org

You cant use FSO, because the key parts are closed. The modem handling
or even the
battery charger daemon is closed source.

http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo

The situation is only better, because it happen to have more open
source developers
who are willing to really free the maemo platform. IE reverse engineer
the closed
source programs.

Best regards,
 Laszlo


From dscaini at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 01:15:52 2010
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 01:15:52 +0100
Subject: [shr] gwaterpas
Message-ID: <18db98c81001061615l423aeeeoa1230a05f8f6ff51@mail.gmail.com>

Is there anyone of you having a working gwaterpas package?
I'm trying to install it on latest shr-u but i get
root at om-gta02 ~/packs $ opkg install gwaterpas_0.3.1_armv4t.ipk
*** glibc detected *** opkg: double free or corruption (out): 0x00cd0aa8 ***

thanks
d
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From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 01:22:07 2010
From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:22:07 -0800
Subject: [shr] gwaterpas
In-Reply-To: <18db98c81001061615l423aeeeoa1230a05f8f6ff51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18db98c81001061615l423aeeeoa1230a05f8f6ff51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f8d5d4f31001061622v2e3e2ee4kcb0f4bdfa403e372@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Davide Scaini <dscaini at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there anyone of you having a working gwaterpas package?
> I'm trying to install it on latest shr-u but i get
> root at om-gta02 ~/packs $ opkg install gwaterpas_0.3.1_armv4t.ipk
> *** glibc detected *** opkg: double free or corruption (out): 0x00cd0aa8 ***

i poster on opkg a while ago that gwaterpas will not install on
20091205, seems no one is working on it at the moment,


From denis.johnson at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 01:25:38 2010
From: denis.johnson at gmail.com (Denis Johnson)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 10:25:38 +1000
Subject: New project openmokontrol
In-Reply-To: <359c5481001042113x53341c1xd1afcd65b3b9b340@mail.gmail.com>
References: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<20607da11001042024x6aaa3542td0bf6a0ac2347f3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<359c5481001042113x53341c1xd1afcd65b3b9b340@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20607da11001061625s23ba5d2fl6b663464a2141bbb@mail.gmail.com>

Now I am really straying OT, but now that I have followed the make and
make install steps for nided and modprobe for uinput, I seem to have
hosed my mythtv frontend which boots through to X but then sits there
waiting and never brings up the main myth menu and no longer responds
to my usb attached mouse or keyboard. Anyway won't bore this group and
I'll go an debug what's up or take it to mythtv group.

cheers Denis

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Nicola Mfb <nicola.mfb at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Denis Johnson <denis.johnson at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Does anyone know if there is something already available which I could
>> get going on the FR ? The following thread
>
> [...]
>
> You may try
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NIDE/NIDED


From robin.paulson at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 02:39:19 2010
From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:39:19 +1300
Subject: openmoko to computer calls
Message-ID: <2f3aa2771001061739x6177e846p49a2e1786bd16906@mail.gmail.com>

i've previously been using skype on my desktop to call other people
via their computers. i'd like to investigate other options for calling
- asking the other user to install different software is not
necessarily a problem

i'm not sure where to start; what software is available (i'm using
shr-u) to do this?

cheers


From KichKasch at gmx.de  Thu Jan  7 08:47:25 2010
From: KichKasch at gmx.de (Michael Pilgermann)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 08:47:25 +0100
Subject: Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was:  Openmoko projects page down]
In-Reply-To: <4B44D587.509@gmx.de>
References: <4B44D587.509@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <20100107074725.19780@gmx.net>

Dear all,

the OpenMokoProjects page is back online - thanks to whoever did this.

But in fact, I got a bit concerned about carrying on to host my projects there. What is the status of this site - and who is the maintainer? 
Could you please do any statement about the future of OpenMokoProjects? (if it is unlikely to be continued, I would rather start migrating the content from there) ...

Bringing me to my next question (all?) - what would be an adaquate location for hosting application level projects for Openmoko? Any experience? -> I really liked the idea and functionality (SVN, WIKI and docs, News, File releases, Tracker) OpenMokoProjects provided - and in the end, you could easily browse through a bunch of applications for the Freerunner / Openmoko.

I can think of (but):
- sourceforge.net (for my taste has become too much marketing touchy)
- google code (well; it's still Google)
- some corner on SHR web side??
- github.com (I have no experience at all; but it looks like providing most of the functionality I mentioned before
- feshmeat.net (would only be for the "front page" I guess)

Writing all this; I remember discussions on these lists here about an Openmoko application directory.? I can't remember the outcome of this discussion - has anything evolved from it?

Please, I would be thankful for any input ... thanks in advance;

Best
Michael


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:25:11 +0100
> Von: Michael Pilgermann <kichkasch at gmx.de>
> An: community at lists.openmoko.org, shr-user at lists.shr-project.org, shr-devel at lists.shr-project.org, devel at lists.openmoko.org
> Betreff: Openmoko projects page down

> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I have experienced problems in accessing the Openmoko Projects web page
> (http://projects.openmoko.org/) for a couple of days now; always
> receiving the following error message:
> 
> "OpenMokoProjects Could Not Connect to Database: "
> 
> I am using this page for my development projects; any idea, whom to
> contact to getting this resolved?
> 
> Thanks in advance; best regards
> Michael
> 
> PS: I heart rumours, that the maintainer has disappeared.? Any more
> input on that? How could (instead) restart the web- and database servers?
> 
> PPS: Do you know any other good place to host projects for the
> Freerunner / SHR?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


From KichKasch at gmx.de  Thu Jan  7 08:47:25 2010
From: KichKasch at gmx.de (Michael Pilgermann)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 08:47:25 +0100
Subject: Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was:  Openmoko projects page down]
In-Reply-To: <4B44D587.509@gmx.de>
References: <4B44D587.509@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <20100107074725.19780@gmx.net>

Dear all,

the OpenMokoProjects page is back online - thanks to whoever did this.

But in fact, I got a bit concerned about carrying on to host my projects there. What is the status of this site - and who is the maintainer? 
Could you please do any statement about the future of OpenMokoProjects? (if it is unlikely to be continued, I would rather start migrating the content from there) ...

Bringing me to my next question (all?) - what would be an adaquate location for hosting application level projects for Openmoko? Any experience? -> I really liked the idea and functionality (SVN, WIKI and docs, News, File releases, Tracker) OpenMokoProjects provided - and in the end, you could easily browse through a bunch of applications for the Freerunner / Openmoko.

I can think of (but):
- sourceforge.net (for my taste has become too much marketing touchy)
- google code (well; it's still Google)
- some corner on SHR web side??
- github.com (I have no experience at all; but it looks like providing most of the functionality I mentioned before
- feshmeat.net (would only be for the "front page" I guess)

Writing all this; I remember discussions on these lists here about an Openmoko application directory.? I can't remember the outcome of this discussion - has anything evolved from it?

Please, I would be thankful for any input ... thanks in advance;

Best
Michael


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:25:11 +0100
> Von: Michael Pilgermann <kichkasch at gmx.de>
> An: community at lists.openmoko.org, shr-user at lists.shr-project.org, shr-devel at lists.shr-project.org, devel at lists.openmoko.org
> Betreff: Openmoko projects page down

> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I have experienced problems in accessing the Openmoko Projects web page
> (http://projects.openmoko.org/) for a couple of days now; always
> receiving the following error message:
> 
> "OpenMokoProjects Could Not Connect to Database: "
> 
> I am using this page for my development projects; any idea, whom to
> contact to getting this resolved?
> 
> Thanks in advance; best regards
> Michael
> 
> PS: I heart rumours, that the maintainer has disappeared.? Any more
> input on that? How could (instead) restart the web- and database servers?
> 
> PPS: Do you know any other good place to host projects for the
> Freerunner / SHR?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


From risto at kurppa.fi  Thu Jan  7 08:59:09 2010
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 09:59:09 +0200
Subject: [Shr-User] Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was: Openmoko projects 
	page down]
In-Reply-To: <20100107074725.19780@gmx.net>
References: <4B44D587.509@gmx.de> <20100107074725.19780@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <d3e504411001062359q432cbf40tcb59ed9c046812d0@mail.gmail.com>

Nice to hear Openmoko projects site is back online.
I have no idea who maintains it but I guess it's someone from Openmoko Inc.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Michael Pilgermann <KichKasch at gmx.de> wrote:

> Bringing me to my next question (all?) - what would be an adaquate location for hosting application level projects for Openmoko? Any experience? -> I really liked the idea and functionality (SVN, WIKI and docs, News, File releases, Tracker) OpenMokoProjects provided - and in the end, you could easily browse through a bunch of applications for the Freerunner / Openmoko.
>
> I can think of (but):
> - sourceforge.net (for my taste has become too much marketing touchy)
> - google code (well; it's still Google)
> - some corner on SHR web side??
> - github.com (I have no experience at all; but it looks like providing most of the functionality I mentioned before
> - feshmeat.net (would only be for the "front page" I guess)

Google Code seems to work well, I don't have experience from others. I
would also think Google is reliable enough that it'll not just
disappear from the net. And since working on public/open data, it
really doesn't matter if you store it somewhere else - Google will
find it anyway :)

> Writing all this; I remember discussions on these lists here about an Openmoko application directory.? I can't remember the outcome of this discussion - has anything evolved from it?

David Reyes Samblas Martinez <david at tuxbrain.com> has been working on
it. He took apt-portal code (running at playdeb.net, available at
https://edge.launchpad.net/apt-portal) and wrote the required parts to
use .opk/.ipk repositories. There are no published results visible
yet, I hope he'll show us something soon :)


r


-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From marcus.bauer at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 09:34:51 2010
From: marcus.bauer at gmail.com (Marcus Bauer)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 09:34:51 +0100
Subject: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator
In-Reply-To: <1262815122970-4263566.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1262713193121-4256370.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100106100826.561044a7@acer>
	<1262815122970-4263566.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <20100107093451.06bc127f@acer>

On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:58:42 -0800 (PST)
vancel35 <vancel at thespazcat.com> wrote:

> Marcus Bauer wrote:
> > 
> >> I've looked inside the TangoGPS config file
> >> (~.gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml), but I couldn't see any options
> >> to set the font size.
> > 
> I was in vi, and if I don't change anything, I always do a :q! to lose
> anything that might have accidentally changed. 

On the desktop gconf-editor is a good tool for editing keys. On the
freerunner it pulls in too many dependencies and doesn't fit well on
the screen.

> Did you change anything in the position / speed algorithm?  It
> doesn't seem to have as much jitter when stopped as it did before.

At one point I added some code to prevent it from updating when the
speed hasn't changed to prevent the flickering. But that was already a
few releases ago.

> Keep up the good work.  TangoGPS is an awesome program. :)

Thanks :)

Marcus




From wolfgang at sharism.cc  Thu Jan  7 09:39:19 2010
From: wolfgang at sharism.cc (Wolfgang Spraul)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 03:39:19 -0500
Subject: Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was:  Openmoko projects page down]
In-Reply-To: <20100107074725.19780@gmx.net>
References: <4B44D587.509@gmx.de> <20100107074725.19780@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20100107083919.GA12264@debian>

Michael,

> Bringing me to my next question (all?) - what would be an adaquate location for hosting application level projects for Openmoko? Any experience? -> I really liked the idea and functionality (SVN, WIKI and docs, News, File releases, Tracker) OpenMokoProjects provided - and in the end, you could easily browse through a bunch of applications for the Freerunner / Openmoko.
> 
> I can think of (but):
...

When we started Qi Hardware we also looked around and eventually found
a software called 'Indefero' (GPL licensed):
http://www.indefero.net/
You can host projects there, and also download the whole thing for
installation on your own server.
http://projects.ceondo.com/p/indefero/downloads
So far we are quite happy with it
http://projects.qi-hardware.com/

Other than that, I had good experience with github.com and code.google.
One idea behind the Openmoko projects server was to keep all Openmoko-
related projects 'nearby', although some people thought that concept is a
bit strange when the whole Internet is built around URLs.

However, it seems the idea of keeping the 'family' together kind of worked,
so I think the first priority should be to get the OpenMokoProjects server
back on track. The server side software used there is more or less dead, so a
more radical approach would be to update to something newer like Indefero.
Which would be a big task though and break everybody's URLs...

Wolfgang

On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 08:47:25AM +0100, Michael Pilgermann wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> the OpenMokoProjects page is back online - thanks to whoever did this.
> 
> But in fact, I got a bit concerned about carrying on to host my projects there. What is the status of this site - and who is the maintainer? 
> Could you please do any statement about the future of OpenMokoProjects? (if it is unlikely to be continued, I would rather start migrating the content from there) ...
> 
> Bringing me to my next question (all?) - what would be an adaquate location for hosting application level projects for Openmoko? Any experience? -> I really liked the idea and functionality (SVN, WIKI and docs, News, File releases, Tracker) OpenMokoProjects provided - and in the end, you could easily browse through a bunch of applications for the Freerunner / Openmoko.
> 
> I can think of (but):
> - sourceforge.net (for my taste has become too much marketing touchy)
> - google code (well; it's still Google)
> - some corner on SHR web side??
> - github.com (I have no experience at all; but it looks like providing most of the functionality I mentioned before
> - feshmeat.net (would only be for the "front page" I guess)
> 
> Writing all this; I remember discussions on these lists here about an Openmoko application directory.? I can't remember the outcome of this discussion - has anything evolved from it?
> 
> Please, I would be thankful for any input ... thanks in advance;
> 
> Best
> Michael
> 
> 
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:25:11 +0100
> > Von: Michael Pilgermann <kichkasch at gmx.de>
> > An: community at lists.openmoko.org, shr-user at lists.shr-project.org, shr-devel at lists.shr-project.org, devel at lists.openmoko.org
> > Betreff: Openmoko projects page down
> 
> > 
> > Dear all,
> > 
> > I have experienced problems in accessing the Openmoko Projects web page
> > (http://projects.openmoko.org/) for a couple of days now; always
> > receiving the following error message:
> > 
> > "OpenMokoProjects Could Not Connect to Database: "
> > 
> > I am using this page for my development projects; any idea, whom to
> > contact to getting this resolved?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance; best regards
> > Michael
> > 
> > PS: I heart rumours, that the maintainer has disappeared.? Any more
> > input on that? How could (instead) restart the web- and database servers?
> > 
> > PPS: Do you know any other good place to host projects for the
> > Freerunner / SHR?
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
> _______________________________________________
> devel mailing list
> devel at lists.openmoko.org
> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/devel


From dehqan65 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 09:41:30 2010
From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (dehqan65)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:11:30 +0330
Subject: Ringtone request
In-Reply-To: <20100106092057.73ef7629@michael>
References: <267bb6671001031116m44d22406ra9eb978b5830a4a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8d5d4f31001031128h22d5682fg7f56b36e998f6a63@mail.gmail.com>
	<267bb6671001032334ica5b3gda6d781e7efaa40b@mail.gmail.com>
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> I am not sure what is going on there.

This : http://pastebin.com/m14b1ff8d

You could run build_package.ksh
> with "set -x" at the top to get more information,

 This way ?
alabd at alabd:/media/disk1/all/soft/openmoko/ring$ sudo ksh set -x
build_package.ksh

or you could just run
> your own variation of create_tones.ksh and manually load the generated file
> onto the phone.
>
How ?


> What operating system are you running on?
>
Ubuntu


> Is ksh installed?
>
Yes

> I never run from root but I use sudo to set the owner id of some files
>
Sudo the same as root .


Regards dehqan
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From openmoko at netapps.com.au  Thu Jan  7 10:01:39 2010
From: openmoko at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:01:39 +1100
Subject: Ringtone request
In-Reply-To: <267bb6671001070041h7d3ff457s48e670c280779d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6671001031116m44d22406ra9eb978b5830a4a5@mail.gmail.com>
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	<20100104194253.265444c3@michael>
	<267bb6671001051402h509444d6v736e5ab95ce004bf@mail.gmail.com>
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	<267bb6671001070041h7d3ff457s48e670c280779d7@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:11:30 +0330
dehqan65 <dehqan65 at gmail.com> wrote:

> > I am not sure what is going on there.
> 
> This : http://pastebin.com/m14b1ff8d

Well something is clearly not working. See below.

> You could run build_package.ksh
> > with "set -x" at the top to get more information,
> 
>  This way ?
> alabd at alabd:/media/disk1/all/soft/openmoko/ring$ sudo ksh set -x
> build_package.ksh
> 
> > What operating system are you running on?
> >
> Ubuntu

Okay great. Do you have the siggen package installed? You need that.

> > I never run from root but I use sudo to set the owner id of some files
> >
> Sudo the same as root .

Uh maybe.

Try this command:

tones -f -w five_tones.wav 500 d6 e6 c6 c5 g5:1000

Does it generate the five_tones.wav file?

man tones

...should tell you how to use "tones" to generate a tone sequence.
-- 
Michael Smith
Network Applications
www.netapps.com.au   | +61 (0) 416 062 898
Web Hosting          | Internet Services


From rusolis at poczta.fm  Thu Jan  7 10:11:27 2010
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 10:11:27 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc81001061548t1c22f37fy6d2933bf4d16a897@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<1262647828.25671.0.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
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2010/1/7 Laszlo KREKACS <laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com>

> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Michael Zanetti <michael_zanetti at gmx.net>
> wrote:
> > The N900 runs a debian like linux with an X11 server. I'm pretty sure it
> would
> > be possible to put FSO on it. It is pretty much open.
>
> > http://maemo.org
>
> You cant use FSO, because the key parts are closed. The modem handling
> or even the
> battery charger daemon is closed source.
>
>
But there's probably some high level API to handle the battery, modem, gps,
etc. Isn't it possible to put FSO on top of that in form of a compatibility
layer? Just guessing.
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From omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org  Thu Jan  7 11:26:50 2010
From: omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org (omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:26:50 +0100
Subject: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests
	and personality /in person/?
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On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:00:19 +0100
Fabian Sch?lzel <fabian.schoelzel at googlemail.com> wrote:

---snip---

> You also said, that he could run into trouble because of the things he writes 
> here. Well, that may be. Myself i think, only people, that are not able to 
> deal with that amount of info and openness, would generate trouble out of this 
> writings. I don't really see, where one can be too open and honest about 
> himself. Is that really possible? We are all human beings, why would we want 
> to hide parts of our existence? Why would we want to let taboos about what to 
> say and what not to say stay? If someone don't want to read some specific 
> stuff, then he should go on and do not read it. If someone (in 10 years for 
> example) will make decisions or estimations on the basis of Brolins writings 
> here and now - well, as i said, that may happen. Often people say "imagine 
> they google you and don't give you a job". I would say: "Gladly, Brolin don't 
> have to work and talk with people, who are just lost in the age of 
> information."
> 

I approach this in a slightly differrent manner.
I believe that one should not be completely open to strangers and should leave some knowledge about him/her only to people he/she cares about. Being able to know someone more than others do is a gift you could give your colleagues (they know more then a stranger), your friends (you know some of your thoughts), your relatives (they know your daily life) and so on. I personally find it nice if someone shows that I'm important to her/him by sharing more of that knowledge with me.

That are also a few other reasons to not talk about oneself that I won't share with Google's caches as Google is not someone I know ;)

Cheers,
rhn


From fabian.schoelzel at googlemail.com  Thu Jan  7 12:38:15 2010
From: fabian.schoelzel at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fabian_Sch=F6lzel?=)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:38:15 +0100
Subject: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests 
	and personality /in person/?
In-Reply-To: <20100107112650.f49444eb.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org>
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Hi rhn,

i understand your point of view. Everybody should do as he wish. But i
think if somebody wants to give that gift to everybody, he should be
"allowed" to do so, while others are free to say "no thanks, i don't
want to know". For my self, i think it is some kind of different to
your way, but in the end, it comes out the same. The people that know
me most, are the people i like most. That is so, because i spend more
time with people i like, therefore i talk more with them than others.
That is why they know more (or/and deeper). I would tell others the
same stories and infos about me, in the same deepness - if they are
interested. The topic and the deepness will change with the people and
they're interests, of course.

But then again, "teh interwebs" is different. One can be as verbose as
he likes, and others can read what they like.

Cheers,
Fabian


From werner at openmoko.org  Thu Jan  7 12:46:51 2010
From: werner at openmoko.org (Werner Almesberger)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 08:46:51 -0300
Subject: Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was:  Openmoko projects page down]
In-Reply-To: <20100107074725.19780@gmx.net>
References: <4B44D587.509@gmx.de>
 <20100107074725.19780@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20100107114651.GC3585@almesberger.net>

Michael Pilgermann wrote:
> the OpenMokoProjects page is back online - thanks to whoever did this.

That would be Joachim. I'll add my thanks too !

Unfortunately, there still appear to be problems with accessing
certain directories, and nobody seems to have an idea (so far)
how to solve these.

> But in fact, I got a bit concerned about carrying on to host my projects
> there. What is the status of this site - and who is the maintainer? 

As far as I know, Armin Ranjbar is in charge of the administration of
the projects (approval, etc.), but there doesn't seem to be anyone
who's clearly in charge of running the infrastructure. (I might be
wrong, though. Corrections welcome.)

Now, GForge doesn't seem to be a particularly friendly platform to
maintain. At least I gather this from the amount of invective
uttered by those trying to fix it :-)

Considering alternatives, we could also look at the things we
already have in the Openmoko universe. For example, we have a
mailing list processor, a bug tracker, an SVN, a git, and even a
web-to-SVN gateway (with limitations). I wonder if each project
really needs to have its own copy of each of these, or if we
could share and pool some resources.

These "central services" used to be for "official" Openmoko Inc.
projects, but now that it's all in the hands of the community
anyway, there's little need to maintain this distinction.

The rate of new project registrations is not particularly high.
Last year: jan 17, feb 8, mar 6, apr 9, may 5, jun 5, jul 5, aug 1,
sep 1, oct 2, nov 1, dec 2. So it may not be worth the effort to
automate these tasks. (I don't know the rate of membership changes,
though.)

- Werner


From KichKasch at gmx.de  Thu Jan  7 13:36:49 2010
From: KichKasch at gmx.de (Michael Pilgermann)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:36:49 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was: Openmoko projects 
	page down]
In-Reply-To: <d2be2e371001070340w3ffe2851gdeda3766e4e36ac1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B44D587.509@gmx.de> <20100107074725.19780@gmx.net>
	<d2be2e371001070340w3ffe2851gdeda3766e4e36ac1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100107123649.19780@gmx.net>

Dear all,

thanks a lot for all the input. Just 3 small comments:
- for Google - I think it's more a religious discussion - but it is not only about finding stuff (or got found) more about supporting it actively. And there have been rumours about copyright issues when posting something with Google. (So - to be honest - I wouldn't dare)
- opkg.org has been even "deader" in my eyes than gforge; although I just read the "reanimation" notice on its web site. Well - it has to prove activity first; and in the end it cannot replace a gforge page with all the described functionalities ...
- for the gforge page itself: I am thankful for all the explainations about responsilities regarding the site; however, nobody has yet came up to say: it is me to deal with these problems. So, (well I will wait a bit longer) - but in a long term it should be sensible to migrate ...

An interesting combination I have explored so far should be freshmeat and github. But it all needs some more investigation ... ;)

Any input from other application developers? How do you host your development projects? (I think, most active in this list are kernel - or at least core / distribution - developers) ...

Best
Michael



-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:40:43 +0100
> Von: Joachim Ott <jo.shrdevel at googlemail.com>
> An: Michael Pilgermann <KichKasch at gmx.de>
> CC: List for Openmoko community discussion <community at lists.openmoko.org>, devel at lists.openmoko.org, shr-devel at lists.shr-project.org, shr-user at lists.shr-project.org
> Betreff: Re: [Shr-User] Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was: Openmoko projects 	page down]

> 2010/1/7 Michael Pilgermann <KichKasch at gmx.de>:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > the OpenMokoProjects page is back online - thanks to whoever did this.
> >
> > But in fact, I got a bit concerned about carrying on to host my projects
> there. What is the status of this site - and who is the maintainer?
> > Could you please do any statement about the future of OpenMokoProjects?
> (if it is unlikely to be continued, I would rather start migrating the
> content from there) ...
> >
> > Bringing me to my next question (all?) - what would be an adaquate
> location for hosting application level projects for Openmoko? Any experience? ->
> I really liked the idea and functionality (SVN, WIKI and docs, News, File
> releases, Tracker) OpenMokoProjects provided - and in the end, you could
> easily browse through a bunch of applications for the Freerunner / Openmoko.
> >
> > I can think of (but):
> > - sourceforge.net (for my taste has become too much marketing touchy)
> > - google code (well; it's still Google)
> > - some corner on SHR web side??
> > - github.com (I have no experience at all; but it looks like providing
> most of the functionality I mentioned before
> > - feshmeat.net (would only be for the "front page" I guess)
> >
> > Writing all this; I remember discussions on these lists here about an
> Openmoko application directory.? I can't remember the outcome of this
> discussion - has anything evolved from it?
> 
> Try http://www.opkg.org/


From martin.jansa at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 13:37:14 2010
From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:37:14 +0100
Subject: Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was:  Openmoko projects page down]
In-Reply-To: <20100107114651.GC3585@almesberger.net>
References: <4B44D587.509@gmx.de> <20100107074725.19780@gmx.net>
	<20100107114651.GC3585@almesberger.net>
Message-ID: <20100107123714.GD3198@jama>

On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 08:46:51AM -0300, Werner Almesberger wrote:
> Michael Pilgermann wrote:
> > the OpenMokoProjects page is back online - thanks to whoever did this.
> 
> That would be Joachim. I'll add my thanks too !
> 
> Unfortunately, there still appear to be problems with accessing
> certain directories, and nobody seems to have an idea (so far)
> how to solve these.
> 
> > But in fact, I got a bit concerned about carrying on to host my projects
> > there. What is the status of this site - and who is the maintainer? 
> 
> As far as I know, Armin Ranjbar is in charge of the administration of
> the projects (approval, etc.), but there doesn't seem to be anyone
> who's clearly in charge of running the infrastructure. (I might be
> wrong, though. Corrections welcome.)

Hi, who could be contacted wrt openmoko OE builder still spamming OE
tinderbox, still building daily, but with lots of errors nobody care
about now I guess.

http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/builders/openmoko/

http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/daily/
http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/
is still updated daily, but I fear that nobody is using daily anymore
and I haven't seen any patch to OE repo in last few months..

Thanks

Cheers

-- 
uin:136542059                jid:Martin.Jansa at gmail.com
Jansa Martin                 sip:jamasip at voip.wengo.fr 
JaMa                         


From mickey at vanille-media.de  Thu Jan  7 00:14:17 2010
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:14:17 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc81001060828r3b0a56a1l21356842b7a73d4b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
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Message-ID: <1262819657.2920.23.camel@opal>

Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 17:28 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS:
> What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or
> somehow put fso on it?
> 
> - Google Nexus
> http://www.google.com/phone/

Unlikely. Same as all other Android phones. Nightmare to get root and
after that, you have quite some work to remove the Androidisms. Or teach
FSO to use them as well. Modem-interface unclear.

> 
> - Motorola MILESTONE (US version: Droid)
> http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/XW-EN/Consumer-Products-and-Services/Mobile-Phones/Motorola-MILESTONE-XW-EN

See Nexus.

> 
> Already rooted the US version (Droid):
> http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=236&t=567

See Nexus, minus rooting.

> - Nokia N900
> http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

Likely. It uses basic GNU/Linux, and the modem interface is at least
somewhat known. Advanced drivers (Wifi, BT, PowerManagement, Camera)
unknown though.

> - Palm Pre
> http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/

Very likely, if it wasn't for the completely obfuscated modem interface
which we're still working on.

> - Apple iphone
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/

Unrealistic. There won't be a Linux-port soon.

> Is there some site, who tracks the process of RE of each individual devices?

Not really, FSO has a page on the wiki, but since we're not in the
kernel business, but rather working on middleware, we rely on the
various reverse-engineering communities to do the grunt work.

Cheers,

:M:




From nicola.mfb at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 16:33:55 2010
From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:33:55 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <8b48b1571001070111p47aa327dm9deb661e519716a0@mail.gmail.com>
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	<8b48b1571001070111p47aa327dm9deb661e519716a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <359c5481001070733n55f8e60fpb5759b796f88357f@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Michal Brzozowski <rusolis at poczta.fm> wrote:
> 2010/1/7 Laszlo KREKACS <laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com>
[...]
>> > http://maemo.org
>>
>> You cant use FSO, because the key parts are closed. The modem handling
>> or even the
>> battery charger daemon is closed source.
>>
>
> But there's probably some high level API to handle the battery, modem, gps,
> etc. Isn't it possible to put FSO on top of that in form of a compatibility
> layer? Just guessing.

On the maemo developers list there is a discussion about using ofono
on the N900 that "should" work out of the box, so the phone system is
mostly open (excluding the gui part).
Someone tested it using pnatd too, a daemon that provides an "at"
compatibility layer, it may be interesting to test it with FSO.

I want to remember that on N900 root access is trivial, and with few
clicks you are able to install openssh server and login with root
account without problems, IMHO the n900 is the less closed device in
the propretary market.

It may be nice to organize a donation to provide such device to
FSO/OE/SHR staff.

Regards

    Niko


From rusolis at poczta.fm  Thu Jan  7 17:03:15 2010
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 17:03:15 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <359c5481001070733n55f8e60fpb5759b796f88357f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<1262647828.25671.0.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
	<c4cd0cc81001060828r3b0a56a1l21356842b7a73d4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001062157.22247.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<c4cd0cc81001061548t1c22f37fy6d2933bf4d16a897@mail.gmail.com>
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2010/1/7 Nicola Mfb <nicola.mfb at gmail.com>

>
> It may be nice to organize a donation to provide such device to
> FSO/OE/SHR staff.
>


Excellent idea.
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From ole-om-community-2008 at mail.plastictree.net  Thu Jan  7 20:34:04 2010
From: ole-om-community-2008 at mail.plastictree.net (Ole Kliemann)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 19:34:04 +0000
Subject: [SHR] QVGA and WSOD
In-Reply-To: <201001061400.22136.polak@odp.cz>
References: <20091230133108.GB3627@telvanni.starfleet>
	<20100102233828.GA3648@telvanni.starfleet>
	<201001061400.22136.polak@odp.cz>
Message-ID: <20100107193404.GA3679@telvanni.starfleet>

On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 02:00:22PM +0100, Radek Polak wrote:
> Ole Kliemann wrote:
> 
> > with /etc/fb.modes as follows
> > 
> > 	mode "240x320"
> > 		geometry 240 320 240 320 16
> > 		timings 100000 8 88 2 2 8 2
> > 	endmode
> > 
> 
> Hi, i am using this setup together with:
> 
> echo qvga-normal > /sys/bus/spi/devices/spi2.0/state
> 
> mode "qvga"
>     geometry 480 640 480 1280 16
>     timings 100000 8 16 2 16 8 2
>     rgba 5/11,6/5,5/0,0/0
> endmode
> 
> Works for me quite good. I have this in my docs[1]
> 
> [1] 
> http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/blob/master/doc/txt/debian_rootfs_howto.txt

Thanks for the answer!

At what point in the process do you start X? And how and when do you
tell X which resolution to use?
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From vanous at penguin.cz  Thu Jan  7 18:55:41 2010
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 18:55:41 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<1262647828.25671.0.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
	<c4cd0cc81001060828r3b0a56a1l21356842b7a73d4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001062157.22247.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
	<c4cd0cc81001061548t1c22f37fy6d2933bf4d16a897@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20100107185541.76c6944c@vanek.robe.cz>

>> It may be nice to organize a donation to provide such device to
>> FSO/OE/SHR staff.
>>
>
>
>Excellent idea.

+1

Wonderful.

How do we get this going? Seems like 600? in Germany, dunno if with
contract or what... what service could we use?

Mickey, would this be an option for you? If we get enough people...

Petr




From ifindleton at videotron.ca  Thu Jan  7 19:55:09 2010
From: ifindleton at videotron.ca (Iain B. Findleton)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:55:09 -0500
Subject: [shr] gwaterpas
In-Reply-To: <f8d5d4f31001061622v2e3e2ee4kcb0f4bdfa403e372@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18db98c81001061615l423aeeeoa1230a05f8f6ff51@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8d5d4f31001061622v2e3e2ee4kcb0f4bdfa403e372@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B462E0D.2020204@videotron.ca>

Works on my SHR-U. I will put a copy on
sourceforge.net/projects/fltkwish/openmoko.


jeremy jozwik wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Davide Scaini <dscaini at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Is there anyone of you having a working gwaterpas package?
>> I'm trying to install it on latest shr-u but i get
>> root at om-gta02 ~/packs $ opkg install gwaterpas_0.3.1_armv4t.ipk
>> *** glibc detected *** opkg: double free or corruption (out): 0x00cd0aa8 ***
>>     
>
> i poster on opkg a while ago that gwaterpas will not install on
> 20091205, seems no one is working on it at the moment,
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>   



From dscaini at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 20:00:16 2010
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:00:16 +0100
Subject: [shr] gwaterpas
In-Reply-To: <4B462E0D.2020204@videotron.ca>
References: <18db98c81001061615l423aeeeoa1230a05f8f6ff51@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f8d5d4f31001061622v2e3e2ee4kcb0f4bdfa403e372@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4B462E0D.2020204@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <18db98c81001071100t352ea57dyda0e6bfd8fdd6190@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, i'm really looking forward to it!
d

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Iain B. Findleton
<ifindleton at videotron.ca>wrote:

> Works on my SHR-U. I will put a copy on
> sourceforge.net/projects/fltkwish/openmoko.
>
>
> jeremy jozwik wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Davide Scaini <dscaini at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Is there anyone of you having a working gwaterpas package?
> >> I'm trying to install it on latest shr-u but i get
> >> root at om-gta02 ~/packs $ opkg install gwaterpas_0.3.1_armv4t.ipk
> >> *** glibc detected *** opkg: double free or corruption (out): 0x00cd0aa8
> ***
> >>
> >
> > i poster on opkg a while ago that gwaterpas will not install on
> > 20091205, seems no one is working on it at the moment,
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
>
>
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From support at oeko.net  Thu Jan  7 20:33:44 2010
From: support at oeko.net (Toni Mueller)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:33:44 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was: Openmoko
	projects page down]
In-Reply-To: <d3e504411001062359q432cbf40tcb59ed9c046812d0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B44D587.509@gmx.de> <20100107074725.19780@gmx.net>
	<d3e504411001062359q432cbf40tcb59ed9c046812d0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100107193344.29162.qmail@oak.oeko.net>


Hi,

On Thu, 07.01.2010 at 09:59:09 +0200, Risto H. Kurppa <risto at kurppa.fi> wrote:
> > I can think of (but):
> > - sourceforge.net (for my taste has become too much marketing touchy)
> > - google code (well; it's still Google)
> > - some corner on SHR web side??
> > - github.com (I have no experience at all; but it looks like providing most of the functionality I mentioned before

- Savannah
- bitbucket.org
- Alioth
- Gna
- Launchpad

> > - feshmeat.net (would only be for the "front page" I guess)

Freshmeat is only an aggregator/a project database. You can list a
project there, but need to point elsewhere for the real content, afaik
(I have listed a few projects there, none of them my own). The projects
themselves are mostly, if not all, hosted elsewhere.

> Google Code seems to work well, I don't have experience from others. I

Imho, the user interface of Google is not very appealing, as is their
performance and limitation in what kind of SCM they support. I've not
yet operated a project there.

Alioth supports the full range of SCMs, but has the awkward GForge
interface (a fork from an earlier version of SourceForge's code when it
was released under the GPL).

github and bitbucket and Launchpad appear to support only git,
mercurial or bazaar, respectively, but I'd welcome corrections.

> would also think Google is reliable enough that it'll not just
> disappear from the net. And since working on public/open data, it
> really doesn't matter if you store it somewhere else - Google will
> find it anyway :)

I'd opt for something fail-safe, if possible. That may also mean to not
put all one's eggs in one basket.


Kind regards,
--Toni++



From jackramone at googlemail.com  Thu Jan  7 20:45:46 2010
From: jackramone at googlemail.com (Jakob)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:45:46 +0100
Subject: openmoko to computer calls
In-Reply-To: <2f3aa2771001061739x6177e846p49a2e1786bd16906@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f3aa2771001061739x6177e846p49a2e1786bd16906@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <85aed13c1001071145k543a8f5asfe3525420949df86@mail.gmail.com>

you could use a sip client like linphone or asterisk (see openmoko
wiki for details)
and put up your own sipserver or use existing free services like ekiga.

another way would be setting up a asteriskserver (not on the neo) with
an skypegateway. see this old thread
http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td220035

regards

On 1/7/10, Robin Paulson <robin.paulson at gmail.com> wrote:
> i've previously been using skype on my desktop to call other people
> via their computers. i'd like to investigate other options for calling
> - asking the other user to install different software is not
> necessarily a problem
>
> i'm not sure where to start; what software is available (i'm using
> shr-u) to do this?
>
> cheers
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From jim at anconafamily.com  Thu Jan  7 21:08:51 2010
From: jim at anconafamily.com (Jim Ancona)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:08:51 -0500
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <1262819657.2920.23.camel@opal>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<bc2d57b41001041008m29e084d2n3ee47b9a179b5d7d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262647828.25671.0.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
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	<1262819657.2920.23.camel@opal>
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
<mickey at vanille-media.de> wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 17:28 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS:
>> What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or
>> somehow put fso on it?
>>
>> - Google Nexus
>> http://www.google.com/phone/
>
> Unlikely. Same as all other Android phones. Nightmare to get root and
> after that, you have quite some work to remove the Androidisms. Or teach
> FSO to use them as well. Modem-interface unclear.

No rooting neccessary. As I posted earlier on this thread, the Nexus
One allows users to unlock the bootloader. See
http://tinyurl.com/y9nusuy

Jim


From bastian.muck at gmx.de  Thu Jan  7 21:57:01 2010
From: bastian.muck at gmx.de (Bastian Muck)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:57:01 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <59af3fb31001071208r6d17615dy45df6833f218e1c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>	<bc2d57b41001041008m29e084d2n3ee47b9a179b5d7d@mail.gmail.com>	<1262647828.25671.0.camel@bunyip.localdomain>	<c4cd0cc81001060828r3b0a56a1l21356842b7a73d4b@mail.gmail.com>	<1262819657.2920.23.camel@opal>
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Message-ID: <4B464A9D.5060304@gmx.de>

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> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
> <mickey at vanille-media.de> wrote:
>> Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 17:28 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS:
>>> What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or
>>> somehow put fso on it?
>>>
>>> - Google Nexus
>>> http://www.google.com/phone/
>>
>> Unlikely. Same as all other Android phones. Nightmare to get root and
>> after that, you have quite some work to remove the Androidisms. Or teach
>> FSO to use them as well. Modem-interface unclear.
>
> No rooting neccessary. As I posted earlier on this thread, the Nexus
> One allows users to unlock the bootloader. See
> http://tinyurl.com/y9nusuy
Wow, that looks nice. Then there is hope, that (except Freerunner)
there will be another phone looking up for the award of the most free
phone.
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From rusolis at poczta.fm  Thu Jan  7 21:57:54 2010
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:57:54 +0100
Subject: [FSO] the Display resource
Message-ID: <8b48b1571001071257w21c8c509v78187ee861f0a228@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Sorry this has been documented somewhere. I'm playing with the 'Display'
resource, and I'm totally confused.

If I make this call:
org.freesmartphone.Usage.GetResourceState Display,

and it returns 'true', does it mean that the phone's display is supposed be
on?

If I put this into /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml:

    while: PowerStatus()
    filters: Not(HasAttr(status, "discharging"))
    actions:
        -OccupyResource(Display)
        -OccupyResource(CPU)

Does it mean that if the phone is plugged in the display will be always on,
and the phone will not suspend ?

What's the right way to tell frameworkd that I've modified rules.yaml? pkill
-HUP frameworkd or /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart?

Thanks,
Michal
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From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Thu Jan  7 22:08:44 2010
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 22:08:44 +0100
Subject: [SHR] QVGA and WSOD
In-Reply-To: <20100107193404.GA3679@telvanni.starfleet>
References: <20091230133108.GB3627@telvanni.starfleet>
	<201001061400.22136.polak@odp.cz>
	<20100107193404.GA3679@telvanni.starfleet>
Message-ID: <201001072208.44871.psonek2@seznam.cz>

Dne ?t 7. ledna 2010 20:34:04 Ole Kliemann napsal(a):

> Thanks for the answer!
> 
> At what point in the process do you start X? And how and when do you
> tell X which resolution to use?

QtMoko runs on framebuffer, so we dont start X. There is X compatibility layer, 
but IIRC nobody tried to run X in qvga there.

Regards

Radek


From michael_zanetti at gmx.net  Thu Jan  7 22:28:08 2010
From: michael_zanetti at gmx.net (Michael Zanetti)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 22:28:08 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <4B464A9D.5060304@gmx.de>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<59af3fb31001071208r6d17615dy45df6833f218e1c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B464A9D.5060304@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <201001072228.12256.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>

On Thursday 07 January 2010 21:57:01 Bastian Muck wrote:
> Am 07.01.2010 21:08, schrieb Jim Ancona:
> > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
> >
> > <mickey at vanille-media.de> wrote:
> >> Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 17:28 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS:
> >>> What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or
> >>> somehow put fso on it?
> >>>
> >>> - Google Nexus
> >>> http://www.google.com/phone/
> >>
> >> Unlikely. Same as all other Android phones. Nightmare to get root and
> >> after that, you have quite some work to remove the Androidisms. Or teach
> >> FSO to use them as well. Modem-interface unclear.
> >
> > No rooting neccessary. As I posted earlier on this thread, the Nexus
> > One allows users to unlock the bootloader. See
> > http://tinyurl.com/y9nusuy
> 
> Wow, that looks nice. Then there is hope, that (except Freerunner)
> there will be another phone looking up for the award of the most free
> phone.
> 

FWIW, you don't need to void your warranty to get root or flash the device 
with the N900...
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From rusolis at poczta.fm  Thu Jan  7 22:35:10 2010
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 22:35:10 +0100
Subject: [FSO] the Display resource
In-Reply-To: <8b48b1571001071257w21c8c509v78187ee861f0a228@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b48b1571001071257w21c8c509v78187ee861f0a228@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b48b1571001071335x79fad344xfd7d2eb9a465205e@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/7 Michal Brzozowski <rusolis at poczta.fm>

> Hi,
>
> Sorry this has been documented somewhere. I'm playing with the 'Display'
> resource, and I'm totally confused.
>
> If I make this call:
> org.freesmartphone.Usage.GetResourceState Display,
>
> and it returns 'true', does it mean that the phone's display is supposed be
> on?
>


Ok, I found out that the answer to this question is yes. However, here's a
case where it doesn't work (I'm using SHR-testing from 16.12.09)

// At this point the display is off, the policy is 'auto'
root at om-gta02 ~ $ dbus-send --type=method_call --system --print-reply
--dest=org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage
org.freesmartphone.Usage.GetResourceState string:'Display'
method return sender=:1.6 -> dest=:1.82 reply_serial=2
   boolean false

root at om-gta02 ~ $ dbus-send --type=method_call --system --print-reply
--dest=org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage
org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy string:'Display' string:'enabled'
method return sender=:1.6 -> dest=:1.84 reply_serial=2

root at om-gta02 ~ $ dbus-send --type=method_call --system --print-reply
--dest=org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage
org.freesmartphone.Usage.GetResourceState string:'Display'
method return sender=:1.6 -> dest=:1.85 reply_serial=2
   boolean true

// The display continues to be off, even after a long time


I can't find a reliable way to turn the display on from the console. Any
ideas?
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From rusolis at poczta.fm  Thu Jan  7 22:44:47 2010
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 22:44:47 +0100
Subject: [FSO] the Display resource
In-Reply-To: <8b48b1571001071335x79fad344xfd7d2eb9a465205e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b48b1571001071257w21c8c509v78187ee861f0a228@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b48b1571001071335x79fad344xfd7d2eb9a465205e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b48b1571001071344if744149v18f3d986653026cc@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/7 Michal Brzozowski <rusolis at poczta.fm>

> // The display continues to be off, even after a long time
>
>
However, when I tap the screen, the display turns on and never goes off
again.
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From frederik.sdun at googlemail.com  Thu Jan  7 22:51:47 2010
From: frederik.sdun at googlemail.com (Frederik Sdun)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 22:51:47 +0100
Subject: Hardwarefixing at 26c3?
In-Reply-To: <200912271719.22492.matthias@eller-net.de>
References: <200912180258.52557.matthias@eller-net.de>
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Message-ID: <20100107215143.GA21228@thinky>

* Matthias Eller <matthias at eller-net.de> [27.12.2009 17:19]:
> Am Sonntag 27 Dezember 2009 schrieb Konstantin:
> 
> > Great, I'm looking forward to it! :)
> > I assume you are there the whole congress? I will not be able to be
> >  there before the third day (December 29), is it possible to get a
> >  fix then, or is that too late?
> 
> schould be fine.
> We will leave 30th late in the evening
with my screwdriver :/
> 
> MfG
 > Ello



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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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From frederik.sdun at googlemail.com  Thu Jan  7 23:05:57 2010
From: frederik.sdun at googlemail.com (Frederik Sdun)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 23:05:57 +0100
Subject: [all] reading accelerometers to a text file
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* Iain B. Findleton <ifindleton at videotron.ca> [01.01.2010 01:23]:
> 
> 
> Vikas Saurabh wrote:
> >> so im interested to know if there is a way to dump accelerometer
> >> information and gps information to text files. so that, hopefully,
> >> some day in the future i could see read them into a future
> >> application?
> >>
> >> or... if there are any developers just kinda hanging out....  drop me an email!
> >>     
> >
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval has some
> > sample scripts (in different scripting languages) to dump data.
> >
> >   
> If you want to see a somewhat evolved script to process accelerometer
> data, try gravity.tcl from:
> http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/fltkwish
> 
> That script implements a few subtle aspects of the accelerometers, which
> are quite noisy in their
> output values.
> 
> > --Vikas
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >   
> 
> 
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
 > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
there will be no direct dbus api for it. it fires up to 100 signals/s
which requires a lot of CPU time, but there's a orientation API already
and I started a plugin for gesture recognition. But i think that doesn't
fit into you needs, so just request the resource and read from the
inputs.

Regards, Frederik
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From frederik.sdun at googlemail.com  Thu Jan  7 23:09:09 2010
From: frederik.sdun at googlemail.com (Frederik Sdun)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 23:09:09 +0100
Subject: [shr-u 20091205] forcing timeoko to work
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* jeremy jozwik <jerjoz.forums at gmail.com> [01.01.2010 02:08]:
> ahoy again list....
> 
> i often used timeoko in previous versions of shr-u. but in 20091205
> when running timeoko i get:
> $ timeoko
> timeoko: error while loading shared libraries:
> libevas-ver-svn-02.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file
> or directory
> 
> the developer is MIA and im in need of a timer again.
> is there any way to force this application to load and be used?
> 
> [ps, eieruhr still works but does not initiate an alarm.]
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://li sts.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
try to link the new version of the libs to their old names. that's a
evil hack but might work. Another idea is that you either compile it
with OE or ask the SHR devels to add it to the feed.

Regards, Frederik
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From blackfalcon1 at sapo.pt  Thu Jan  7 23:28:18 2010
From: blackfalcon1 at sapo.pt (blackfalcon1 at sapo.pt)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:28:18 +0000
Subject: neovento 5.6
Message-ID: <20100107222818.52031rajzyz6raiq@w18.mail.sapo.pt>

was wondering. since neovento 5.6 is based on debian will debian apps  
work or packages from opkg. googled it but there isnt muck info on  
apps for neovento 5.6? thanks


From marcus.bauer at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 23:31:34 2010
From: marcus.bauer at gmail.com (Marcus Bauer)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 23:31:34 +0100
Subject: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator
In-Reply-To: <d3e504411001061336w99f7d7cwf97827eceeab388b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262713193121-4256370.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<58a51a771001050955r4222d176yd27a703216c85c0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262751021.19470.26.camel@rattus>
	<d3e504411001060052g7069260eve8fd093113eaeedc@mail.gmail.com>
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	<d3e504411001061336w99f7d7cwf97827eceeab388b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100107233134.285132b5@acer>

On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:36:21 +0200
"Risto H. Kurppa" <risto at kurppa.fi> wrote:

> The community shall be the judge and point me where did I go wrong.

The community did already: Risto Kurppa, you have been sending me your
massively abusive emails after the release of 0.9.3. They were so far
beyond anything acceptable that I 

 a) got a lawyer in Helsinki to deal with you and
 b) informed the Ubuntu Community Council.

The Ubuntu Community Council consists of experienced and well
respected members of the open source community and the council was very
concerned about your behaviour, Risto Kurppa. The reply was written by a
certain well known 'Mark Shuttleworth' from which I guess I can cite the
following quote:

 | Thanks for raising this with us. The language he has used is very
 | unfortunate, it does come across as "I will embarrass you unless you
 | respond the way I want you to", and that's not something we could
 | support in an Ubuntu member.

I have nothing to add to that.

The fact that you have registered #tangogps on freenode against the
policy that only people affiliated with the project shall register a
channel and after your inadequate behaviour in the past is thus pure
provocation.

Open source / free software is a meritocracy - the more you do for a
project the more you can influence it. Actually writing friendly emails
gains everyone quickly influence. Writing abusive emails like you
did to me a year ago, Risto Kurppa, certainly does not gain you
influence. 

I have founded tangogps and spent over 2000 hours of development on it
so quite naturally I am the SABDFL of tangogps. And it is a rather
successful project: it has been picked up by over 25 distributions and
it has far more than 100.000 happy users in pretty much every corner of
the world.

Just have a look how many projects are on sourceforge that are 0.0.1
alpha and never took off. I'd say less than 5% of the projects come to
life and stay alive for more than 2 years. It needs dedication, energy
and cojones to get a project off the ground. And a good deal of the
ernergy comes from people using it, from people sending feedback, from
people spreading the word because they like it.

Thanks to all those that have one way or other contributed to tangoGPS
- your energy was and is well appreciated and put to good use :)


Marcus Bauer
Developer of tangoGPS - the fast and user friendly map viewer
http://www.tangogps.org/






From schumi_8_2005 at gmx.de  Fri Jan  8 00:13:52 2010
From: schumi_8_2005 at gmx.de (schu mi)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:13:52 +0100
Subject: neovento 5.6
In-Reply-To: <20100107222818.52031rajzyz6raiq@w18.mail.sapo.pt>
References: <20100107222818.52031rajzyz6raiq@w18.mail.sapo.pt>
Message-ID: <20100107231352.82480@gmx.net>

hi,

sure debian apps work, you can install them just like with a debian system, since neovento is debian as you already found out.

opkg packages mostly also, though you have to extract them yourself.
It could get messy with dependencies also.


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:28:18 +0000
> Von: blackfalcon1 at sapo.pt
> An: community at lists.openmoko.org
> Betreff: neovento 5.6

> was wondering. since neovento 5.6 is based on debian will debian apps  
> work or packages from opkg. googled it but there isnt muck info on  
> apps for neovento 5.6? thanks
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

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http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02


From werner at openmoko.org  Fri Jan  8 00:46:25 2010
From: werner at openmoko.org (Werner Almesberger)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:46:25 -0300
Subject: [Shr-User] Maintain(er) OpenMokoProjects [was: Openmoko
	projects page down]
In-Reply-To: <20100107123649.19780@gmx.net>
References: <4B44D587.509@gmx.de> <20100107074725.19780@gmx.net>
	<d2be2e371001070340w3ffe2851gdeda3766e4e36ac1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100107123649.19780@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20100107234625.GD3585@almesberger.net>

Michael Pilgermann wrote:
> - for the gforge page itself: I am thankful for all the explainations
> about responsilities regarding the site; however, nobody has yet came
> up to say: it is me to deal with these problems.

The implied meaning of these explanations was of course that for any
prospective volunteer who's good at taming GForge but has kept quiet
so far because everything seemed to be so well under control, now
would be an excellent moment to speak up :)

- Werner


From iknowjoseph at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 00:48:54 2010
From: iknowjoseph at gmail.com (Joseph Reeves)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 23:48:54 +0000
Subject: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator
In-Reply-To: <20100107233134.285132b5@acer>
References: <1262713193121-4256370.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<58a51a771001050955r4222d176yd27a703216c85c0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262751021.19470.26.camel@rattus>
	<d3e504411001060052g7069260eve8fd093113eaeedc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100106111153.776db6ff@acer>
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	<20100107233134.285132b5@acer>
Message-ID: <958244341001071548h1939f0f0sa222628b0be284ba@mail.gmail.com>

> I have founded tangogps and spent over 2000 hours of development on it
> so quite naturally I am the SABDFL of tangogps. And it is a rather
> successful project: it has been picked up by over 25 distributions and
> it has far more than 100.000 happy users in pretty much every corner of
> the world.

I honestly believe that if it wasn't for TangoGPS, and therefore
yourself Marcus, the initial uptake of the Openmoko devices would have
been much slower. This community owes a great deal to your hard work.
OpenStreetMap has probably benefited too as well. TangoGPS
demonstrated that the Neo1973 and FreeRunner were (are) viable
platforms and that there was (is) value to be gained from a phone
running Open Source software. By "demonstrated" I mean that you could
give the phone to someone, have them walk around outside, and they'd
come back excited about what could be done.

I remember getting an engineering sample of the FreeRunner and having
many email conversations with Markus about getting TangoGPS to run on
it. It wasn't exactly hard, but I was known to make a mistake or two
along the way; at least in the end TangoGPS was about the first
application I ran on the FreeRunner and I was, I think, the first
person to ever do it. Thankfully Openmoko inc saw the value and sent
Marcus a phone too.

Thanks for all your contributions Marcus, we all owe you a lot, even
if some people fail to realise that.

Cheers, Joseph



2010/1/7 Marcus Bauer <marcus.bauer at gmail.com>:
> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:36:21 +0200
> "Risto H. Kurppa" <risto at kurppa.fi> wrote:
>
>> The community shall be the judge and point me where did I go wrong.
>
> The community did already: Risto Kurppa, you have been sending me your
> massively abusive emails after the release of 0.9.3. They were so far
> beyond anything acceptable that I
>
> ?a) got a lawyer in Helsinki to deal with you and
> ?b) informed the Ubuntu Community Council.
>
> The Ubuntu Community Council consists of experienced and well
> respected members of the open source community and the council was very
> concerned about your behaviour, Risto Kurppa. The reply was written by a
> certain well known 'Mark Shuttleworth' from which I guess I can cite the
> following quote:
>
> ?| Thanks for raising this with us. The language he has used is very
> ?| unfortunate, it does come across as "I will embarrass you unless you
> ?| respond the way I want you to", and that's not something we could
> ?| support in an Ubuntu member.
>
> I have nothing to add to that.
>
> The fact that you have registered #tangogps on freenode against the
> policy that only people affiliated with the project shall register a
> channel and after your inadequate behaviour in the past is thus pure
> provocation.
>
> Open source / free software is a meritocracy - the more you do for a
> project the more you can influence it. Actually writing friendly emails
> gains everyone quickly influence. Writing abusive emails like you
> did to me a year ago, Risto Kurppa, certainly does not gain you
> influence.
>
> I have founded tangogps and spent over 2000 hours of development on it
> so quite naturally I am the SABDFL of tangogps. And it is a rather
> successful project: it has been picked up by over 25 distributions and
> it has far more than 100.000 happy users in pretty much every corner of
> the world.
>
> Just have a look how many projects are on sourceforge that are 0.0.1
> alpha and never took off. I'd say less than 5% of the projects come to
> life and stay alive for more than 2 years. It needs dedication, energy
> and cojones to get a project off the ground. And a good deal of the
> ernergy comes from people using it, from people sending feedback, from
> people spreading the word because they like it.
>
> Thanks to all those that have one way or other contributed to tangoGPS
> - your energy was and is well appreciated and put to good use :)
>
>
> Marcus Bauer
> Developer of tangoGPS - the fast and user friendly map viewer
> http://www.tangogps.org/
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From mickey at vanille-media.de  Fri Jan  8 01:19:49 2010
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:19:49 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <20100107185541.76c6944c@vanek.robe.cz>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<1262647828.25671.0.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
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Am Donnerstag, den 07.01.2010, 18:55 +0100 schrieb Petr Vanek:
> >> It may be nice to organize a donation to provide such device to
> >> FSO/OE/SHR staff.
> >>
> >
> >
> >Excellent idea.
> 
> +1
> 
> Wonderful.
> 
> How do we get this going? Seems like 600? in Germany, dunno if with
> contract or what... what service could we use?
> 
> Mickey, would this be an option for you? If we get enough people...

Absolutely. I think I could get it here even for around 500.

Cheers,

-- 
:M:



From mickey at vanille-media.de  Fri Jan  8 01:23:37 2010
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:23:37 +0100
Subject: [FSO] the Display resource
In-Reply-To: <8b48b1571001071257w21c8c509v78187ee861f0a228@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b48b1571001071257w21c8c509v78187ee861f0a228@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1262910217.22868.16.camel@andromeda>

Am Donnerstag, den 07.01.2010, 21:57 +0100 schrieb Michal Brzozowski:
> Sorry this has been documented somewhere. I'm playing with the
> 'Display' resource, and I'm totally confused.

I can understand that. The semantics of the Display (and CPU) resource
is somewhat different from the semantics of the other peripherals.

The display resource is _not_ controlling the display. What it does
instead is modifying the way the Idle Notifier works. When you claim the
display resource, then the Idle Notifier IDLE_DIM (and subsequent
states, such as LOCK and SUSPEND) will no longer be sent, hence the
display will stay on and the device will not go into suspend.

> If I put this into /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml:
> 
>     while: PowerStatus()
>     filters: Not(HasAttr(status, "discharging"))
>     actions: 
>         -OccupyResource(Display)
>         -OccupyResource(CPU)
> 
> Does it mean that if the phone is plugged in the display will be
> always on, and the phone will not suspend ?

Yes, that's the idea.

> What's the right way to tell frameworkd that I've modified rules.yaml?
> pkill -HUP frameworkd or /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart?

I'm afraid the current frameworkd needs a restart after modifying the
rules. I promise to fix this in the FSO2.

Cheers,

-- 
:M:



From mail at 3v1n0.net  Fri Jan  8 03:06:43 2010
From: mail at 3v1n0.net (Marco Trevisan =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=28Trevi=F1o=29?=)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:06:43 +0100
Subject: UBI success story
In-Reply-To: <1261861364.709.38.camel@andromeda>
References: <200912262125.57708.ml@chonyota.net>
	<1261861364.709.38.camel@andromeda>
Message-ID: <1262916402.17516.11.camel@trevihouse>

Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> Thanks for sharing. How's speed and reliability for ubifs? I wonder
> whether it's worth the hassle to switch, given that SD access should be
> even faster and much more convenient.

I'm using UBIFS in my "hybrid" OM2008 (still :P) based distro for some
months; In my case I had to backport the kernel patches too, then I used
an SD installation of SHR to flash the generated ubi image in my nand
via ubiformat (which is a LOT faster than using dfu-util; with it
flashing an ubi image takes just few minutes).

I've still some issues on creating a correct ubi image by the way; the
hardware parameters returned by ubinfo (in a distro running a kernel >=
2.6.30) doesn't seem to be correct, and I've to force the page size
anyway.

Coming back on the Mickey's question, however, I've to say that I've
noticed a nice speed improvement on booting and on running many
applications.


PS: It works well using uBoot too with adding these cmdline parameters:
    rootfstype=ubifs ubi.mtd=6,2048 root=ubi0:rootfs




From denis.johnson at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 03:14:35 2010
From: denis.johnson at gmail.com (Denis Johnson)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:14:35 +1000
Subject: New project openmokontrol
In-Reply-To: <20607da11001061625s23ba5d2fl6b663464a2141bbb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<20607da11001042024x6aaa3542td0bf6a0ac2347f3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<359c5481001042113x53341c1xd1afcd65b3b9b340@mail.gmail.com>
	<20607da11001061625s23ba5d2fl6b663464a2141bbb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20607da11001071814u7644865ak3721e0ff453bf63@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry to reply to my own post, but I have now resolved this issue and
I just wanted to clear up that it had nothing to do with NIDED or
uinput module on the host. Both seem to be running happily now,
although I'm yet to install a wifi manager on my FR to get wifi
working and then NIDE client running.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Denis Johnson <denis.johnson at gmail.com> wrote:
> Now I am really straying OT, but now that I have followed the make and
> make install steps for nided and modprobe for uinput, I seem to have
> hosed my mythtv frontend which boots through to X but then sits there
> waiting and never brings up the main myth menu and no longer responds
> to my usb attached mouse or keyboard. Anyway won't bore this group and
> I'll go an debug what's up or take it to mythtv group.
>
> cheers Denis


From dehqan65 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 06:40:22 2010
From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (dehqan65)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:10:22 +0330
Subject: Some questions about Navit
Message-ID: <267bb6671001072140i774462edi2f9d65d0dbab35da@mail.gmail.com>

In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful

hello;

1 - Tangogps has an option that let us to use google sat maps , Can google
sat maps be used with Navit ?

2- To set up route , in
this<http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit#Enter_Town>step after
selecting country (Iran) , town should be selected , but there is
not town name in list , humble wrote town name manualy now, how to save it ?
of course humble started from
this<http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit#Select_Country>step to setup
route . are previous steps required?

3 - To use speech <http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit#Speech> option on
Navit ,this speech-dispatcher <http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd> is required
but it's link <http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd> is down .

Regarsds dehqan
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From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 08:39:43 2010
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 08:39:43 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <1262819657.2920.23.camel@opal>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<bc2d57b41001041008m29e084d2n3ee47b9a179b5d7d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1262647828.25671.0.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
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On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
<mickey at vanille-media.de> wrote:
>> - Nokia N900
>> http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/
>
> Likely. It uses basic GNU/Linux, and the modem interface is at least
> somewhat known. Advanced drivers (Wifi, BT, PowerManagement, Camera)
> unknown though.
>

What I fear about N900 is that it always stays as one single high-end
model to nokia.
There were always single model in the past: n700, n800, n810
No other phones appeared using the same software on it.

So I doubt if it will or want to become a widespread platform, or
always stays as
specialty.

Btw, if there an SHR porting effort to N900? Or e libraries?

Best regards,
 Laszlo


From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 09:12:45 2010
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:12:45 +0100
Subject: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator
In-Reply-To: <20100107233134.285132b5@acer>
References: <1262713193121-4256370.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<58a51a771001050955r4222d176yd27a703216c85c0b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1262751021.19470.26.camel@rattus>
	<d3e504411001060052g7069260eve8fd093113eaeedc@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20100106111153.776db6ff@acer>
	<d3e504411001061336w99f7d7cwf97827eceeab388b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20100107233134.285132b5@acer>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc81001080012i523b2853hae1d25c5368117a2@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Marcus Bauer <marcus.bauer at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:36:21 +0200
> "Risto H. Kurppa" <risto at kurppa.fi> wrote:
>
>> The community shall be the judge and point me where did I go wrong.
>
> The community did already: Risto Kurppa, you have been sending me your
> massively abusive emails after the release of 0.9.3. They were so far
> beyond anything acceptable that I
>
> ?a) got a lawyer in Helsinki to deal with you and
> ?b) informed the Ubuntu Community Council.

I think it was nothing else just a desperate try to build a
community around tangogps as apparently you failed to do it.

What you should have to do, is simply make clear, you dont
want anybody else to make a community around your project.

Risto was and are a very active mailing list member, had some
very useful comments here, what I think many users
appreciated.

I do believe there was some small misunderstanding in
your email exchanges.


As for the lawyer part, Im really sorry, you needed hire a lawyer
in a foreign country. I hope you didnt spent to much money on
it and also I hope you enjoyed the trip to Helsinki.

However I usually dont hire any lawyers, if I receive some spams
in my inbox. But everyone are free to do in his/her way.

Im pretty sure (as you made clear), Risto wont do any private
mailing/harassment with you in the future.

Best regards,
 Laszlo


From rusolis at poczta.fm  Fri Jan  8 09:16:52 2010
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:16:52 +0100
Subject: [FSO] the Display resource
In-Reply-To: <1262910217.22868.16.camel@andromeda>
References: <8b48b1571001071257w21c8c509v78187ee861f0a228@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262910217.22868.16.camel@andromeda>
Message-ID: <8b48b1571001080016t33ae8ecfhf59686d55fbdf5cb@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/8 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <mickey at vanille-media.de>

> Am Donnerstag, den 07.01.2010, 21:57 +0100 schrieb Michal Brzozowski:
> > Sorry this has been documented somewhere. I'm playing with the
> > 'Display' resource, and I'm totally confused.
>
> I can understand that. The semantics of the Display (and CPU) resource
> is somewhat different from the semantics of the other peripherals.
>
> The display resource is _not_ controlling the display. What it does
> instead is modifying the way the Idle Notifier works. When you claim the
> display resource, then the Idle Notifier IDLE_DIM (and subsequent
> states, such as LOCK and SUSPEND) will no longer be sent, hence the
> display will stay on and the device will not go into suspend.
>
>
>
Thanks! That explains everything :-)
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From dehqan65 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 09:31:19 2010
From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (dehqan65)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:01:19 +0330
Subject: Some questions about TangoGPS
Message-ID: <267bb6671001080031n5aa9ad1cif4d98789e2767698@mail.gmail.com>

In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful

hello;



1 - There is an option that lets tangogps users selecting using Google sat
maps , but they have 2 problems :
A - Quality of pictures in Tangogps is not the same as Google apps . for
example check this
location<http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=32.7026,51.1537&spn=0.046946,0.097418&t=k&z=14&key=ABQIAAAAEHSQK1vAAAuBZm_l9nDfuxR-o64xXIeDw7j_JZZzFnbEVH6OthQCJTz0e4bbm3CpyEKMFqf7FEzFIw&mapclient=jsapi&oi=map_misc&ct=api_logo>in
both .
Maybe this is cause of the differnece between maps.google.com and
http://khm.google.com/ pictures ??

B - Google app shows street names with an option "show label" . Can not
Tangogps get that layer in the same way it get pictures ?

2 - In which issues Tangogps is better than Navit ?

Regards dehqan
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From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Fri Jan  8 10:01:23 2010
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:01:23 +0200
Subject: Fwd: dfu_download error -110
In-Reply-To: <3494db261001060907m64258ea1j831bce14270adb5a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db261001060907m64258ea1j831bce14270adb5a@mail.gmail.com>
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any chance to draw some attention on the following?

Thanks

Tony

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com>
Date: Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:07 PM
Subject: dfu_download error -110
To: List for Openmoko community discussion <community at lists.openmoko.org>


when I tried to flash my FR with the latest SHR and after the kernel was
successfully installed, I got (somewhere in the middle of the process):

dfu_download error -110

please note, that I did try to re-install the latest qi bootloader (
http://people.openmoko.org/andy/qi-s3c2442-master-hist_3b8513d8b3d9615e.udfu)
but still get the same error!

Thanks

Tony
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From martin.jansa at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 10:07:47 2010
From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:07:47 +0100
Subject: Fwd: dfu_download error -110
In-Reply-To: <3494db261001080101h20a51ad9t50705c64738b1f02@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db261001060907m64258ea1j831bce14270adb5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3494db261001080101h20a51ad9t50705c64738b1f02@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100108090747.GC3321@jama>

On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 11:01:23AM +0200, Tony Berth wrote:
> any chance to draw some attention on the following?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tony

can you try with newer qi?
http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/qi-s3c2442-1.0.2-r0+gitr0+c38b062a609f1442e6a9e13005cfbdfd59a5ac0d.udfu

Cheers,

> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com>
> Date: Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:07 PM
> Subject: dfu_download error -110
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion <community at lists.openmoko.org>
> 
> 
> when I tried to flash my FR with the latest SHR and after the kernel was
> successfully installed, I got (somewhere in the middle of the process):

middle of which process? dfu flashing of image or flashing of that
kernel?

> dfu_download error -110

> please note, that I did try to re-install the latest qi bootloader (
> http://people.openmoko.org/andy/qi-s3c2442-master-hist_3b8513d8b3d9615e.udfu)
> but still get the same error!
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tony

> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


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From kazer at altern.org  Fri Jan  8 11:24:20 2010
From: kazer at altern.org (KaZeR)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:24:20 +0100
Subject: Some questions about TangoGPS
In-Reply-To: <267bb6671001080031n5aa9ad1cif4d98789e2767698@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6671001080031n5aa9ad1cif4d98789e2767698@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4707D4.4020408@altern.org>

Hi,

Le 08/01/2010 09:31, dehqan65 a ?crit :

> 2 - In which issues Tangogps is better than Navit ?
IMO, they both serve different purposes.

Tango use raster maps. It's very fast and very efficient at displaying 
your position and/or track on a raster map.

Navit use vector maps. Maps are drawn in realtime, which makes it a bit 
slower. But this allows routing and turn by turn directions.



From jensseidel at users.sf.net  Fri Jan  8 10:20:32 2010
From: jensseidel at users.sf.net (Jens Seidel)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:20:32 +0100
Subject: Some questions about TangoGPS
In-Reply-To: <267bb6671001080031n5aa9ad1cif4d98789e2767698@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6671001080031n5aa9ad1cif4d98789e2767698@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100108092027.GA29345@merkur.sol.de>

Hi dehqan65,

please follow standard mailing list etiquettes and use a proper name.

On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 12:01:19PM +0330, dehqan65 wrote:
> In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful

I'm not sure whether you know that at least I and probably many other people
just stop reading after this line. I strongly suggest that you write in your
name and not in the name of others. That's also not a religious list.

Jens


From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 10:52:32 2010
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:52:32 +0100
Subject: Some questions about Navit
In-Reply-To: <267bb6671001072140i774462edi2f9d65d0dbab35da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6671001072140i774462edi2f9d65d0dbab35da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26fea52c1001080152k6d94ac8dha213e4ebcf3ed7a8@mail.gmail.com>

In The Name of Myself

Hi Dehqan


1 - Tangogps has an option that let us to use google sat maps , Can google
sat maps be used with Navit ?
no they can't, because tangogps uses images and navit uses vector data
this is also why the maps for navit are a lot smaller, but scrolling and
zooming takes more time
it might be possible to patch it to let it display google sat images and
display them; and calculate a route based on the (invisible) vectordata, but
that would require MAJOR work I think

2- To set up route , in
this<http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit#Enter_Town> step
after selecting country (Iran) , town should be selected , but there is not
town name in list , humble wrote town name manualy now, how to save it ? of
course humble started from
this<http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit#Select_Country> step
to setup route . are previous steps required?
The problem would be that the name town you wanted to select isn't in the
map data you downloaded
that could be due to (I think):
town not entered in openstreetmaps
town entered, but no "is_in: Iran" tag specified of something like that

you can correct this by contributing to OSM and editing the town's label


3 - To use speech <http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit#Speech> option on
Navit ,this speech-dispatcher <http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd> is required
but it's link <http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd> is down
I have never used speech, but I can navigate to
http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd
you can check the status of that site here:
http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd

Hope this helps!

Regards,
yorick



On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 6:40 AM, dehqan65 <dehqan65 at gmail.com> wrote:

> In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful
>
> hello;
>
> 1 - Tangogps has an option that let us to use google sat maps , Can google
> sat maps be used with Navit ?
>
> 2- To set up route , in this<http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit#Enter_Town>step after selecting country (Iran) , town should be selected , but there is
> not town name in list , humble wrote town name manualy now, how to save it ?
> of course humble started from this<http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit#Select_Country>step to setup route . are previous steps required?
>
> 3 - To use speech <http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit#Speech> option on
> Navit ,this speech-dispatcher <http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd> is
> required but it's link <http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd> is down .
>
> Regarsds dehqan
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Fri Jan  8 11:10:49 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:10:49 +0000
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc81001072339w3d067d2et40d592fde487e0f4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<bc2d57b41001041008m29e084d2n3ee47b9a179b5d7d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262647828.25671.0.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
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2010/1/8 Laszlo KREKACS <laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com>:
>
> What I fear about N900 is that it always stays as one single high-end
> model to nokia.
> There were always single model in the past: n700, n800, n810

Huh?  That looks like 3 models to me.  And the N900 makes 4.

(Note that "n700" should be "770".)


From giacomomariani at yahoo.it  Fri Jan  8 11:27:24 2010
From: giacomomariani at yahoo.it (giacomo `giotti` mariani)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:27:24 +0100
Subject: QtMoko v16
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2961.1261506950.14033.community@lists.openmoko.org>
References: <mailman.2961.1261506950.14033.community@lists.openmoko.org>
Message-ID: <4B47088C.2090308@yahoo.it>


> Hi,
> new images of QtMoko are released! They can be downloaded from sourceforge as 
> usually [1].
>   
Thank you for your efforts!

Is there any upgrade procedure?
Looking at http://qtmoko.org/wiki/Update only the 14->15 seems to exist.

Again, thank you very much.

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From martin.jansa at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 11:26:59 2010
From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:26:59 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] UBI success story
In-Reply-To: <20100106012134.GA3211@jama>
References: <201001041437.14500.ml@chonyota.net> <20100106012134.GA3211@jama>
Message-ID: <141020e31001080226s5b5adaebib5af8465be0632e@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 2:21 AM, Martin Jansa <martin.jansa at gmail.com> wrote:

> 3) update Qi with dfu-util
> qi built here
> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/
> is still using jffs2 in kernel params
> but you can you binary from here
>
> http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr.images/om-gta02/qi-s3c2442-1.0.2+gitr0+c38b062a609f1442e6a9e13005cfbdfd59a5ac0d.udfu
> or build Qi yourself with bitbake from latest shr/merge branch + this
> patch:
>
> http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr.images/om-gta02/0014-qi-update-kernel-params-for-ubi-rootfs.patch
>

This is not true anymore, I've added qi-ubi as different recipe to OE and
rebuild here, so  this
qi-s3c2442-1.0.2+gitr0+c38b062a609f1442e6a9e13005cfbdfd59a5ac0d.udfu<http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr.images/om-gta02/qi-s3c2442-1.0.2+gitr0+c38b062a609f1442e6a9e13005cfbdfd59a5ac0d.udfu>
has
jffs2 params again and you need
qi-ubi-s3c2442-1.0.2-r0+gitr1+c38b062a609f1442e6a9e13005cfbdfd59a5ac0d.udfu<http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr.images/om-gta02/qi-ubi-s3c2442-1.0.2-r0+gitr1+c38b062a609f1442e6a9e13005cfbdfd59a5ac0d.udfu>
for
ubifs params

but no need to download it from my host now.. I've built it on official shr
buildhost too, so download it here
http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/

Sorry to those who downloaded it in between (I'll remove it from my host for
now..), I've updated wiki page
http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=UBIFS
and forgot to send this e-mail.

Cheers,
>
> --
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From elektranox at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 11:50:04 2010
From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:50:04 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <49dd78621001080210o7186fd53u899bf61ae622bb88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<bc2d57b41001041008m29e084d2n3ee47b9a179b5d7d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262647828.25671.0.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
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Message-ID: <20100108105002.GA13679@earth.universe>

Hi,

On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 10:10:49AM +0000, Neil Jerram wrote:
> Doesn't the N900 use the standard Debian archive?  (I only know that
> part of the community has pushed for that for a long time...)

I don't know about that.

> If it does, the question becomes whether the e libraries are in Debian.

But e libraries are in Debian, last updated december 2009 ;) If they use
Debian repository there will be SHR for N900, too once I finished
the new packages.

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From fercerpav at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 12:32:44 2010
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:32:44 +0300
Subject: Fwd: dfu_download error -110
In-Reply-To: <3494db261001080101h20a51ad9t50705c64738b1f02@mail.gmail.com>
	(Tony Berth's message of "Fri\, 8 Jan 2010 11\:01\:23 +0200")
References: <3494db261001060907m64258ea1j831bce14270adb5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3494db261001080101h20a51ad9t50705c64738b1f02@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m28wc87rxf.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com> writes:
> when I tried to flash my FR with the latest SHR and after the kernel
> was successfully installed, I got (somewhere in the middle of the
> process):
>
> dfu_download error -110

It's usually suggested to try another usb-cable/port/no hub etc. Also
make sure you flash to the correct nand partition.

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From marcus.bauer at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 12:44:09 2010
From: marcus.bauer at gmail.com (Marcus Bauer)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:44:09 +0100
Subject: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc81001080012i523b2853hae1d25c5368117a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262713193121-4256370.post@n2.nabble.com>
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	<c4cd0cc81001080012i523b2853hae1d25c5368117a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100108124409.3343d6b6@acer>

On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:12:45 +0100
Laszlo KREKACS <laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Marcus Bauer
> <marcus.bauer at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:36:21 +0200
> > "Risto H. Kurppa" <risto at kurppa.fi> wrote:
> >
> >> The community shall be the judge and point me where did I go wrong.
> >
> > The community did already: Risto Kurppa, you have been sending me
> > your massively abusive emails after the release of 0.9.3. They were
> > so far beyond anything acceptable that I
> >
> > ?a) got a lawyer in Helsinki to deal with you and
> > ?b) informed the Ubuntu Community Council.
> 
> I think it was nothing else just a desperate try to build a
> community around tangogps

I probably repeat myself: open source / free software is build upon a
meritocracy. The more you contribute, the more influence you do have.
And actually in one way or other it is pretty much everywhere in life
like this. 

If you haven't shown any regular support of a project or group than
common sense should tell you that you wont be accepted as community
manager. Freenode has exactly for that the policy that only people
affiliated with a project can register project channels. And freenode is
the core of many communities.

> as apparently you failed to do it.

Ah, allrighty! It is just that tangoGPS has a community of more than
100.000 users, of more than 25 distributions, of people packaging it,
people twittering about it, people blogging about it, people discussing
it in forums...

The tangoGPS friendservice has been used almost half a million times and
the messaging is frequently used too.

There has been an article on Linux.com about tangoGPS and another one in
the Linux Magazine.

I'd say the tangoGPS community is bigger than the openmoko community :-P
 
Now let's compare that to Risto Kurppa, who wrote in his mail two days
ago: "In co-operation with the Open Source Geospatial Foundation I
started a mailing list to discuss FOSS-GPS related topics to connect
the users & developers:".

This sounds good, no politician could say it any better. But if you
look into the list archive you see that there are three positing in the
last month:

http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss-gps/2009-December/date.html

Not exactly a vibrant community that he has created in over a year. "In
co-operation with the Open Source Geospatial Foundation..." BlaBla.

Talk is cheap. It needs sustained work and commitment to get a community
of the ground.


> Risto was and are a very active mailing list member, had some
> very useful comments here, what I think many users
> appreciated.

Which is no excuse for misbehaviour.

> I do believe there was some small misunderstanding in
> your email exchanges.

Certainly not. The Ubuntu Community Council didn't take it lightly
either.

> As for the lawyer part, Im really sorry, you needed hire a lawyer
> in a foreign country. I hope you didnt spent to much money on
> it and also I hope you enjoyed the trip to Helsinki.
> 
> However I usually dont hire any lawyers, if I receive some spams
> in my inbox. But everyone are free to do in his/her way.

That's exactly what I do too with spam. However Risto Kurppa didn't
leave me any choice. He set a deadline until which I have to respond to
him or elsewise he would go public with his diffamations. And yet I'd
still drop this kind of email into the spam folder but next day he
showed up on planet ubuntu and at this point the fun ends. That guy
simply didn't stop and that's when I notified the Ubuntu Community
Council and contacted a lawyer -- btw, they have phones in Helsinki
nowadays, no need to go there.

A word about the "usage of lawyers": they are a lot more useful (and
cheaper) for getting legal advice than for sueing somebody. It is a
good idea to go and get early advice with precise questions than to wait
until a situation is out of control. By definition and statistics they
have a success rate of 50:50 when they sue. -- How was that with
throwing a coin?


Marcus







From marcus.bauer at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 12:52:10 2010
From: marcus.bauer at gmail.com (Marcus Bauer)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:52:10 +0100
Subject: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator
In-Reply-To: <958244341001071548h1939f0f0sa222628b0be284ba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262713193121-4256370.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<58a51a771001050955r4222d176yd27a703216c85c0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262751021.19470.26.camel@rattus>
	<d3e504411001060052g7069260eve8fd093113eaeedc@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Joseph, 

thanks for your words, they are very much appreciated!

Marcus

On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 23:48:54 +0000
Joseph Reeves <iknowjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:

> > I have founded tangogps and spent over 2000 hours of development on
> > it so quite naturally I am the SABDFL of tangogps. And it is a
> > rather successful project: it has been picked up by over 25
> > distributions and it has far more than 100.000 happy users in
> > pretty much every corner of the world.
> 
> I honestly believe that if it wasn't for TangoGPS, and therefore
> yourself Marcus, the initial uptake of the Openmoko devices would have
> been much slower. This community owes a great deal to your hard work.
> OpenStreetMap has probably benefited too as well. TangoGPS
> demonstrated that the Neo1973 and FreeRunner were (are) viable
> platforms and that there was (is) value to be gained from a phone
> running Open Source software. By "demonstrated" I mean that you could
> give the phone to someone, have them walk around outside, and they'd
> come back excited about what could be done.
> 
> I remember getting an engineering sample of the FreeRunner and having
> many email conversations with Markus about getting TangoGPS to run on
> it. It wasn't exactly hard, but I was known to make a mistake or two
> along the way; at least in the end TangoGPS was about the first
> application I ran on the FreeRunner and I was, I think, the first
> person to ever do it. Thankfully Openmoko inc saw the value and sent
> Marcus a phone too.
> 
> Thanks for all your contributions Marcus, we all owe you a lot, even
> if some people fail to realise that.
> 
> Cheers, Joseph
> 


From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Fri Jan  8 12:52:14 2010
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-1?q?R=FCb?=)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:52:14 +0100
Subject: QT and dbus - no such signal
Message-ID: <201001081252.14926.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

Hi,

I am about to write my own little GPS application in Qt and try to connect to FixStatusChanged signal from Gypsy but have the following problem

Code snippet:
...
deviceInterface = new QDBusInterface("org.freedesktop.Gypsy", "/org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default", "org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device", QDBusConnection::systemBus(),this);
...
connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, SIGNAL(fixChanged(int)));

I want to pass the signal on to use it somewhere else in my application...

now when starting my application I get:

Object::connect: No such signal org::freedesktop::Gypsy::Device::FixStatusChanged(int)

but  mdbus -s org.freedesktop.Gypsy /org/freedesktop/Gypsy
lists:
[SIGNAL]    org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device.FixStatusChanged( i:fixstatus )

Do you have any idea what is going wrong?

You can find the full code here:

http://git.senfdax.de/?p=qgpslog;a=blob;f=src/gypsy.cpp;h=27014f72b3705c6439e10d9130c8c03f8cd9bfdf;hb=HEAD

Thanks for any help.

Cheers,
 Christian


From michael_zanetti at gmx.net  Fri Jan  8 12:52:45 2010
From: michael_zanetti at gmx.net (Michael Zanetti)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:52:45 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <49dd78621001080210o7186fd53u899bf61ae622bb88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<c4cd0cc81001072339w3d067d2et40d592fde487e0f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<49dd78621001080210o7186fd53u899bf61ae622bb88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001081252.49605.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>

On Friday 08 January 2010 11:10:49 Neil Jerram wrote:
> 2010/1/8 Laszlo KREKACS <laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com>:
> > What I fear about N900 is that it always stays as one single high-end
> > model to nokia.
> > There were always single model in the past: n700, n800, n810
> 
> Huh?  That looks like 3 models to me.  And the N900 makes 4.
> 

I think he meant concurrent models, not incremental releases. However, I think 
(and hope) once the 5 Step program for the maemo development is finished we 
will see a lot more Maemo devices from Nokia.

> 
> > Btw, if there an SHR porting effort to N900? Or e libraries?
> 
> Doesn't the N900 use the standard Debian archive?  (I only know that
> part of the community has pushed for that for a long time...)  If it
> does, the question becomes whether the e libraries are in Debian.
> 

No. The N900 uses dpkg/apt and .deb packages but they are not exactly the same 
as debian ones. There are some additional tweaks and hooks to regard the 
limited ressources on mobile devices. However. You can re-package debian 
packages for maemo without recompiling the source.

Cheers,
Michael
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From meumeu1402 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 13:01:40 2010
From: meumeu1402 at gmail.com (Christophe M)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:01:40 +0100
Subject: QT and dbus - no such signal
In-Reply-To: <201001081252.14926.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
References: <201001081252.14926.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <f03651f61001080401x65c33a3as572dcf554ef869c1@mail.gmail.com>

> Hi,
>
> I am about to write my own little GPS application in Qt and try to connect
> to FixStatusChanged signal from Gypsy but have the following problem
>
> Code snippet:
> ...
> deviceInterface = new QDBusInterface("org.freedesktop.Gypsy",
> "/org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default", "org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device",
> QDBusConnection::systemBus(),this);
> ...
> connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this,
> SIGNAL(fixChanged(int)));
>
> I want to pass the signal on to use it somewhere else in my application...
>
> now when starting my application I get:
>
> Object::connect: No such signal
> org::freedesktop::Gypsy::Device::FixStatusChanged(int)
>
> but  mdbus -s org.freedesktop.Gypsy /org/freedesktop/Gypsy
> lists:
> [SIGNAL]    org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device.FixStatusChanged( i:fixstatus )
>
> Do you have any idea what is going wrong?
>
> You can find the full code here:
>
>
> http://git.senfdax.de/?p=qgpslog;a=blob;f=src/gypsy.cpp;h=27014f72b3705c6439e10d9130c8c03f8cd9bfdf;hb=HEAD
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Cheers,
>  Christian
>


Hi!
Quick response, I don't have a lot of time, here is an example of connection
to fso in Qt :

m_db_ressourceManager = new QDBusInterface("org.freesmartphone.ogpsd",
"/org/freedesktop/Gypsy","", QDBusConnection::systemBus());

connect (m_db_ressourceManager,SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)),this,SLOT(fixStatusChanged(int)));


Try :

new QDBusInterface("org.
>
> freedesktop.Gypsy", "/org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default", "",
> QDBusConnection::systemBus());


Then connect to the signal.

Many dbus examples are in the Qalee tree :
http://think-free83.homelinux.org/project/qalee/trunk/
And on the wiki there is some informations : http://www.qalee.org

-- 
------------------------------

Openmoko phone gui :

http://www.qalee.org
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From michael_zanetti at gmx.net  Fri Jan  8 13:24:08 2010
From: michael_zanetti at gmx.net (Michael Zanetti)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:24:08 +0100
Subject: QT and dbus - no such signal
In-Reply-To: <201001081252.14926.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
References: <201001081252.14926.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <201001081324.21106.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>

On Friday 08 January 2010 12:52:14 Christian R?b wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am about to write my own little GPS application in Qt and try to connect
>  to FixStatusChanged signal from Gypsy but have the following problem
> 
> Code snippet:
> ...
> deviceInterface = new QDBusInterface("org.freedesktop.Gypsy",
>  "/org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default", "org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device",
>  QDBusConnection::systemBus(),this); ...
> connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this,
>  SIGNAL(fixChanged(int)));
> 


try this:
...
deviceInterface = new QDBusInterface("org.freedesktop.Gypsy", "/default", 
"org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device", QDBusConnection::systemBus(),this);

Qt doesn't need the full path for the node again. 


Here you find some very useful QtDBus examples:
http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials#D-Bus

Not sure if you know about "qdbusviewer". It comes with your Qt4 installation 
and helps you a lot debugging and understanding DBus.

Hope this helps.
Michael
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From m.labrousse_list at bcmd.fr  Fri Jan  8 13:27:32 2010
From: m.labrousse_list at bcmd.fr (Mickael Labrousse)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:27:32 +0100
Subject: QT and dbus - no such signal
In-Reply-To: <f03651f61001080401x65c33a3as572dcf554ef869c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201001081252.14926.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<f03651f61001080401x65c33a3as572dcf554ef869c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4724B4.9070109@bcmd.fr>

In Qt you must connect a signal to a slot.
Looking your code :
connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, 
SIGNAL(fixChanged(int)));

You try to connect a signal to a signal ! It should be :
connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, 
SLOT(fixChanged(int)));

Be careful you fixChanged(int) method is declared as  slot in your header

Christophe M a ?crit :
>
>     Hi,
>
>     I am about to write my own little GPS application in Qt and try to
>     connect to FixStatusChanged signal from Gypsy but have the
>     following problem
>
>     Code snippet:
>     ...
>     deviceInterface = new QDBusInterface("org.freedesktop.Gypsy",
>     "/org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default", "org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device",
>     QDBusConnection::systemBus(),this);
>     ...
>     connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this,
>     SIGNAL(fixChanged(int)));
>
>     I want to pass the signal on to use it somewhere else in my
>     application...
>
>     now when starting my application I get:
>
>     Object::connect: No such signal
>     org::freedesktop::Gypsy::Device::FixStatusChanged(int)
>
>     but  mdbus -s org.freedesktop.Gypsy /org/freedesktop/Gypsy
>     lists:
>     [SIGNAL]    org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device.FixStatusChanged(
>     i:fixstatus )
>
>     Do you have any idea what is going wrong?
>
>     You can find the full code here:
>
>     http://git.senfdax.de/?p=qgpslog;a=blob;f=src/gypsy.cpp;h=27014f72b3705c6439e10d9130c8c03f8cd9bfdf;hb=HEAD
>
>     Thanks for any help.
>
>     Cheers,
>      Christian
>
>
>
> Hi!
> Quick response, I don't have a lot of time, here is an example of 
> connection to fso in Qt :
>
> m_db_ressourceManager = new QDBusInterface("org.freesmartphone.ogpsd", "/org/freedesktop/Gypsy","", QDBusConnection::systemBus());
> connect (m_db_ressourceManager,SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)),this,SLOT(fixStatusChanged(int)));
>
> Try :
>
> new QDBusInterface("org.
>
>     freedesktop.Gypsy", "/org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default", "",
>     QDBusConnection::systemBus());
>
>
> Then connect to the signal.
>
> Many dbus examples are in the Qalee tree : 
> http://think-free83.homelinux.org/project/qalee/trunk/
> And on the wiki there is some informations : http://www.qalee.org
>
> -- 
> ------------------------------
>
> Openmoko phone gui :
>
> http://www.qalee.org
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>   


From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Fri Jan  8 13:38:56 2010
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-15?q?R=FCb?=)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:38:56 +0100
Subject: QT and dbus - no such signal
In-Reply-To: <f03651f61001080401x65c33a3as572dcf554ef869c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201001081252.14926.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<f03651f61001080401x65c33a3as572dcf554ef869c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001081338.57347.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

On Friday, 8. January 2010 13:01:40 Christophe M wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am about to write my own little GPS application in Qt and try to connect
> > to FixStatusChanged signal from Gypsy but have the following problem
> >
> > Code snippet:
> > ...
> > deviceInterface = new QDBusInterface("org.freedesktop.Gypsy",
> > "/org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default", "org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device",
> > QDBusConnection::systemBus(),this);
> > ...
> > connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this,
> > SIGNAL(fixChanged(int)));
> >
> > I want to pass the signal on to use it somewhere else in my application...
> >
> > now when starting my application I get:
> >
> > Object::connect: No such signal
> > org::freedesktop::Gypsy::Device::FixStatusChanged(int)
> >
> > but  mdbus -s org.freedesktop.Gypsy /org/freedesktop/Gypsy
> > lists:
> > [SIGNAL]    org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device.FixStatusChanged( i:fixstatus )
> >
> > Do you have any idea what is going wrong?
> >
> > You can find the full code here:
> >
> >
> > http://git.senfdax.de/?p=qgpslog;a=blob;f=src/gypsy.cpp;h=27014f72b3705c6439e10d9130c8c03f8cd9bfdf;hb=HEAD
> >
> > Thanks for any help.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >  Christian
> >
> 
> 
> Hi!
> Quick response, I don't have a lot of time, here is an example of connection
> to fso in Qt :
> 
> m_db_ressourceManager = new QDBusInterface("org.freesmartphone.ogpsd",
> "/org/freedesktop/Gypsy","", QDBusConnection::systemBus());
> 
> connect (m_db_ressourceManager,SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)),this,SLOT(fixStatusChanged(int)));
> 
> 
> Try :
> 
> new QDBusInterface("org.
> >
> > freedesktop.Gypsy", "/org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default", "",
> > QDBusConnection::systemBus());
> 
> 
> Then connect to the signal.
> 
> Many dbus examples are in the Qalee tree :
> http://think-free83.homelinux.org/project/qalee/trunk/
> And on the wiki there is some informations : http://www.qalee.org

Thanks for this - so you are using a different object path - will try this later.


From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Fri Jan  8 13:40:20 2010
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-1?q?R=FCb?=)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:40:20 +0100
Subject: QT and dbus - no such signal
In-Reply-To: <4B4724B4.9070109@bcmd.fr>
References: <201001081252.14926.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<f03651f61001080401x65c33a3as572dcf554ef869c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4724B4.9070109@bcmd.fr>
Message-ID: <201001081340.21425.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

Hi,

thanks for your reply, but it is possible to connect a signal to a signal [1] and that is exactly what I want.

"It is even possible to connect a signal directly to another signal."

[1] http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/signalsandslots.html

On Friday, 8. January 2010 13:27:32 Mickael Labrousse wrote:
> In Qt you must connect a signal to a slot.
> Looking your code :
> connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, 
> SIGNAL(fixChanged(int)));
> 
> You try to connect a signal to a signal ! It should be :
> connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, 
> SLOT(fixChanged(int)));
> 
> Be careful you fixChanged(int) method is declared as  slot in your header


From solar.george at googlemail.com  Fri Jan  8 13:53:58 2010
From: solar.george at googlemail.com (George Brooke)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:53:58 +0000
Subject: Some questions about TangoGPS
In-Reply-To: <20100108092027.GA29345@merkur.sol.de>
References: <267bb6671001080031n5aa9ad1cif4d98789e2767698@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100108092027.GA29345@merkur.sol.de>
Message-ID: <201001081254.10137.solar.george@googlemail.com>

On Friday 08 Jan 2010 09:20:32 Jens Seidel wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 12:01:19PM +0330, dehqan65 wrote:
> > In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful
> 
> I'm not sure whether you know that at least I and probably many other
>  people just stop reading after this line. I strongly suggest that you
>  write in your name and not in the name of others. That's also not a
>  religious list.
I for one find this no more or less annoying than the signatures on many people's emails (for 
example the Ascii Ribbon Campaign)

> Hi dehqan65,
> 
> please follow standard mailing list etiquettes and use a proper name.
Well I don't see this mentioned anywhere in RFC 1855 or any list specific rules (couldn't actually 
find any) and dehqan65 is not by anymeans the only one on this list to not use their full names.
Further more if you read beyond the above mentioned line you'll see that the email is signed 
"dehqan" which rather suggests that is his name.

solar.george

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From m.labrousse_list at bcmd.fr  Fri Jan  8 14:24:31 2010
From: m.labrousse_list at bcmd.fr (Mickael Labrousse)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:24:31 +0100
Subject: QT and dbus - no such signal
In-Reply-To: <201001081340.21425.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
References: <201001081252.14926.christian.rueb@gmx.net>	<f03651f61001080401x65c33a3as572dcf554ef869c1@mail.gmail.com>	<4B4724B4.9070109@bcmd.fr>
	<201001081340.21425.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <4B47320F.7080807@bcmd.fr>

I didn't know, my bad ;)

Christian R?b a ?crit :
> Hi,
>
> thanks for your reply, but it is possible to connect a signal to a signal [1] and that is exactly what I want.
>
> "It is even possible to connect a signal directly to another signal."
>
> [1] http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/signalsandslots.html
>
> On Friday, 8. January 2010 13:27:32 Mickael Labrousse wrote:
>   
>> In Qt you must connect a signal to a slot.
>> Looking your code :
>> connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, 
>> SIGNAL(fixChanged(int)));
>>
>> You try to connect a signal to a signal ! It should be :
>> connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, 
>> SLOT(fixChanged(int)));
>>
>> Be careful you fixChanged(int) method is declared as  slot in your header
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>   


From fabian.schoelzel at googlemail.com  Fri Jan  8 14:35:06 2010
From: fabian.schoelzel at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fabian_Sch=F6lzel?=)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:35:06 +0100
Subject: Some questions about TangoGPS
In-Reply-To: <20100108092027.GA29345@merkur.sol.de>
References: <267bb6671001080031n5aa9ad1cif4d98789e2767698@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100108092027.GA29345@merkur.sol.de>
Message-ID: <d0da135f1001080535q784ece1ar7bd378e7e9114bb9@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/8 Jens Seidel <jensseidel at users.sf.net>:
> That's also not a religious list.

In the name of religious equality: Thats true. So religious
collocations should not be a thing to comment. :) I think dehqan
behaves quite fine on this list.

Cheers,
Fabian


From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 14:54:49 2010
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:54:49 +0100
Subject: Some questions about TangoGPS
In-Reply-To: <d0da135f1001080535q784ece1ar7bd378e7e9114bb9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6671001080031n5aa9ad1cif4d98789e2767698@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100108092027.GA29345@merkur.sol.de>
	<d0da135f1001080535q784ece1ar7bd378e7e9114bb9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26fea52c1001080554y5c58a824tbd694d9c1f3522f3@mail.gmail.com>

and I almost always top-post, so what :)

2010/1/8 Fabian Sch?lzel <fabian.schoelzel at googlemail.com>

> 2010/1/8 Jens Seidel <jensseidel at users.sf.net>:
> > That's also not a religious list.
>
> In the name of religious equality: Thats true. So religious
> collocations should not be a thing to comment. :) I think dehqan
> behaves quite fine on this list.
>


I made a joke about his "In the name of..." heading, but I don't care what
people write
to me it's about the same as "yo nigga biatches, whats up?";
not really my kind of talk, but hey, if it rocks your boat..

wrt his name:
I really thing his name is dehqan
apparently it's a name with afghan roots meaning farmer:
http://babynamesworld.parentsconnect.com/meaning_of_Dehqan.html


and I have never seen him write anything offensive or out of line...
he seems actually very polite to me...



dehquan: keep posting questions if you have them!
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From giacomomariani at yahoo.it  Fri Jan  8 15:25:22 2010
From: giacomomariani at yahoo.it (giacomo `giotti` mariani)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:25:22 +0100
Subject: Hackable:1 rev5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5560.1241800342.15778.community@lists.openmoko.org>
References: <mailman.5560.1241800342.15778.community@lists.openmoko.org>
Message-ID: <4B474052.9020207@yahoo.it>

Hello everyone,
first of all I like to thank you for this excellent distro.

I had a couple of problems (with only one solution):
-I can't boot regular rev5 from uSD (the process hangs up at something
like 95% and stays there forever) so I have to use  the developer
version (which works well;-));
-when I

 #apt-get update

I see that pkg-fso-keyring is expired, but giving

#wget http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pkg-fso-keyring/pkg-fso-keyring_2009.09.12_all.deb
#dpkg -i pkg-fso-keyring_2009.09.12_all.deb
#rm pkg-fso-keyring_2009.09.12_all.deb

all works right!

Hope it can bu use-full to someone.

bye bye


From fabian.schoelzel at googlemail.com  Fri Jan  8 16:14:11 2010
From: fabian.schoelzel at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fabian_Sch=F6lzel?=)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:14:11 +0100
Subject: Some questions about TangoGPS
In-Reply-To: <26fea52c1001080554y5c58a824tbd694d9c1f3522f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6671001080031n5aa9ad1cif4d98789e2767698@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100108092027.GA29345@merkur.sol.de>
	<d0da135f1001080535q784ece1ar7bd378e7e9114bb9@mail.gmail.com>
	<26fea52c1001080554y5c58a824tbd694d9c1f3522f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d0da135f1001080714m34bd9baap1a966633d5b0603b@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/8 Yorick Moko <yorickmoko at gmail.com>:
> and I almost always top-post, so what :)

So i'm trying middle posting right now! ;)

> I made a joke about his "In the name of..." heading, but I don't care what
> people write
> to me it's about the same as "yo nigga biatches, whats up?";
> not really my kind of talk, but hey, if it rocks your boat..

I didn't meant you with my comment, Yorick.

Cheers,
Fabian

(Maybe thats enough OT for now :) )


From iknowjoseph at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 16:18:41 2010
From: iknowjoseph at gmail.com (Joseph Reeves)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:18:41 +0000
Subject: Some questions about TangoGPS
In-Reply-To: <d0da135f1001080714m34bd9baap1a966633d5b0603b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6671001080031n5aa9ad1cif4d98789e2767698@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100108092027.GA29345@merkur.sol.de>
	<d0da135f1001080535q784ece1ar7bd378e7e9114bb9@mail.gmail.com>
	<26fea52c1001080554y5c58a824tbd694d9c1f3522f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0da135f1001080714m34bd9baap1a966633d5b0603b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <958244341001080718j5f784794s1465123390e1382b@mail.gmail.com>

>(Maybe thats enough OT for now :) )

This isn't an OT list, thank the lord. We do use apostrophes though! ;-)

Joseph



2010/1/8 Fabian Sch?lzel <fabian.schoelzel at googlemail.com>:
> 2010/1/8 Yorick Moko <yorickmoko at gmail.com>:
>> and I almost always top-post, so what :)
>
> So i'm trying middle posting right now! ;)
>
>> I made a joke about his "In the name of..." heading, but I don't care what
>> people write
>> to me it's about the same as "yo nigga biatches, whats up?";
>> not really my kind of talk, but hey, if it rocks your boat..
>
> I didn't meant you with my comment, Yorick.
>
> Cheers,
> Fabian
>
> (Maybe thats enough OT for now :) )
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 17:56:42 2010
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:56:42 +0100
Subject: Some questions about Navit
In-Reply-To: <267bb6671001072140i774462edi2f9d65d0dbab35da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6671001072140i774462edi2f9d65d0dbab35da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c30e08171001080856q363ca6c1i380db634da4e8ee9@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 06:40, dehqan65 <dehqan65 at gmail.com> wrote:
> In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful
>
> hello;
>
> 1 - Tangogps has an option that let us to use google sat maps , Can google
> sat maps be used with Navit ?
>
> 2- To set up route , in this step after selecting country (Iran) , town
> should be selected , but there is not town name in list , humble wrote town
> name manualy now, how to save it ? of course humble started from this step
> to setup route . are previous steps required?
>
> 3 - To use speech option on Navit ,this speech-dispatcher is required but
> it's link is down .
>
> Regarsds dehqan
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>

No, don't use speech-dispatcher on Freerunner. It most cases it's
breaking whole audio functionality of your phone. Use espeak or flite
directly instead (just uncomment it in default config)

-- 
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
dos


From laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 18:00:48 2010
From: laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com (Laszlo KREKACS)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:00:48 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <49dd78621001080210o7186fd53u899bf61ae622bb88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<bc2d57b41001041008m29e084d2n3ee47b9a179b5d7d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1262647828.25671.0.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
	<c4cd0cc81001060828r3b0a56a1l21356842b7a73d4b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1262819657.2920.23.camel@opal>
	<c4cd0cc81001072339w3d067d2et40d592fde487e0f4@mail.gmail.com> 
	<49dd78621001080210o7186fd53u899bf61ae622bb88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c4cd0cc81001080900t797e8e83o4e4c110037551128@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Neil Jerram <neiljerram at googlemail.com> wrote:
> From the same point of view, I expect that further expansion of this
> platform will depend massively on whether N900 is successful.
> Firstly, whether it sells in large numbers; secondly, whether Nokia
> estimate that Maemo is now a more efficient platform for future
> development than their other options.

I highly doubt about the selling numbers of Nokia N900. It is the most
expensive
model from Nokia, with no other alternatives (from Nokia).

For example here in Hungary, none of the providers offer Nokia N900, so
paying the full price (590EUR) is pretty much a non-option for an average
person when he can get an iphone for 35 EUR
(plus 70EUR/month minimum talk).

I also doubt if it runs smoothly on a weaker device (processor-wise). Today
on the train I saw a guy with nokia N900. He was reading some texts on it.
Oh dear, the scrolling was awesomely laggish. As an openmoko user I
know a bit about laggish scrolling;-) It is really sad such a highend
device still suffers from it. (not as bad as openmoko though)

An iphone had never such problem, and it has a weaker hardware...

So Im back to my waiting position. In a year or so, my decision will be
crystal-clear;-)

Best regards,
 Laszlo


From nicola.mfb at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 18:51:52 2010
From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:51:52 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc81001080900t797e8e83o4e4c110037551128@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<bc2d57b41001041008m29e084d2n3ee47b9a179b5d7d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262647828.25671.0.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
	<c4cd0cc81001060828r3b0a56a1l21356842b7a73d4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262819657.2920.23.camel@opal>
	<c4cd0cc81001072339w3d067d2et40d592fde487e0f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<49dd78621001080210o7186fd53u899bf61ae622bb88@mail.gmail.com>
	<c4cd0cc81001080900t797e8e83o4e4c110037551128@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <359c5481001080951g45d92fc3m5416303bfcff441f@mail.gmail.com>

[...]
> I also doubt if it runs smoothly on a weaker device (processor-wise). Today
> on the train I saw a guy with nokia N900. He was reading some texts on it.
> Oh dear, the scrolling was awesomely laggish. As an openmoko user I
> know a bit about laggish scrolling;-) It is really sad such a highend
> device still suffers from it. (not as bad as openmoko though)
[...]

It may be application dependent?

Take a look at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHmH_U5-YL8

Regards

     Niko


From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Fri Jan  8 19:10:53 2010
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-15?q?R=FCb?=)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 19:10:53 +0100
Subject: QT and dbus - no such signal
In-Reply-To: <f03651f61001080401x65c33a3as572dcf554ef869c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201001081252.14926.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<f03651f61001080401x65c33a3as572dcf554ef869c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001081910.53830.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

Am Freitag, 8. Januar 2010 schrieb Christophe M:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am about to write my own little GPS application in Qt and try to connect
> > to FixStatusChanged signal from Gypsy but have the following problem
> >
> > Code snippet:
> > ...
> > deviceInterface = new QDBusInterface("org.freedesktop.Gypsy",
> > "/org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default", "org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device",
> > QDBusConnection::systemBus(),this);
> > ...
> > connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this,
> > SIGNAL(fixChanged(int)));
> >
> > I want to pass the signal on to use it somewhere else in my application...
> >
> > now when starting my application I get:
> >
> > Object::connect: No such signal
> > org::freedesktop::Gypsy::Device::FixStatusChanged(int)
> >
> > but  mdbus -s org.freedesktop.Gypsy /org/freedesktop/Gypsy
> > lists:
> > [SIGNAL]    org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device.FixStatusChanged( i:fixstatus )
> >
> > Do you have any idea what is going wrong?
> >
> > You can find the full code here:
> >
> >
> > http://git.senfdax.de/?p=qgpslog;a=blob;f=src/gypsy.cpp;h=27014f72b3705c6439e10d9130c8c03f8cd9bfdf;hb=HEAD
> >
> > Thanks for any help.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >  Christian
> >
> 
> 
> Hi!
> Quick response, I don't have a lot of time, here is an example of connection
> to fso in Qt :
> 
> m_db_ressourceManager = new QDBusInterface("org.freesmartphone.ogpsd",
> "/org/freedesktop/Gypsy","", QDBusConnection::systemBus());
> 
> connect (m_db_ressourceManager,SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)),this,SLOT(fixStatusChanged(int)));
> 
> 
> Try :
> 
> new QDBusInterface("org.
> >
> > freedesktop.Gypsy", "/org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default", "",
> > QDBusConnection::systemBus());
> 
> 
> Then connect to the signal.
> 
> Many dbus examples are in the Qalee tree :
> http://think-free83.homelinux.org/project/qalee/trunk/
> And on the wiki there is some informations : http://www.qalee.org

I tried:

	QDBusInterface *m_db_ressourceManager = new QDBusInterface("org.freedesktop.Gypsy", "/org/freedesktop/Gypsy","", QDBusConnection::systemBus());
	QDBusMessage message = m_db_ressourceManager->call("GetPosition");
	qDebug() << "message" << message;
	connect (m_db_ressourceManager,SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)),this,SLOT(showFix(int)));

but get:
 message QDBusMessage(type=Error, service="", error name="org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied", error message="Rejected send message, 4 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.42" (uid=0 pid=2202 comm="./qgpslog) interface="(unset)" member="GetPosition" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="org.freedesktop.Gypsy" (uid=0 pid=1554 comm="python))", signature="", contents=([]) )
Object::connect: No such signal QDBusInterface::FixStatusChanged(int)

I also tried to to change my interface to use org.freesmartphone.ogpsd as service name and tried different settings for object path:
""
"/default"
"/org/freedesktop/Gypsy"
"/org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default"

None with success.

Note I am using SHR unstable and compiled qt 4.5.2 from OE without modifications.


From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Fri Jan  8 19:12:02 2010
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-15?q?R=FCb?=)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 19:12:02 +0100
Subject: QT and dbus - no such signal
In-Reply-To: <201001081324.21106.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
References: <201001081252.14926.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<201001081324.21106.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <201001081912.02854.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

Am Freitag, 8. Januar 2010 schrieb Michael Zanetti:
> On Friday 08 January 2010 12:52:14 Christian R?b wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I am about to write my own little GPS application in Qt and try to connect
> >  to FixStatusChanged signal from Gypsy but have the following problem
> > 
> > Code snippet:
> > ...
> > deviceInterface = new QDBusInterface("org.freedesktop.Gypsy",
> >  "/org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default", "org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device",
> >  QDBusConnection::systemBus(),this); ...
> > connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this,
> >  SIGNAL(fixChanged(int)));
> > 
> 
> 
> try this:
> ...
> deviceInterface = new QDBusInterface("org.freedesktop.Gypsy", "/default", 
> "org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device", QDBusConnection::systemBus(),this);
> 
> Qt doesn't need the full path for the node again. 
> 
> 
> Here you find some very useful QtDBus examples:
> http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials#D-Bus
> 
> Not sure if you know about "qdbusviewer". It comes with your Qt4 installation 
> and helps you a lot debugging and understanding DBus.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> Michael

Thanks Michael,

tried your suggestion:
 	deviceInterface = new QDBusInterface("org.freedesktop.Gypsy", "/default", "org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device", QDBusConnection::systemBus(),this);
	connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, SIGNAL(fixChanged(int)));
	qDebug() << "testcall" << deviceInterface->call("GetFixStatus");

the result was the same :(
Object::connect: No such signal org::freedesktop::Gypsy::Device::FixStatusChanged(int)

I already came across the page you mentioned - that's where I got connect to a dbus signal from...

Yes, I know qdbusviewer, I tried it on my Freerunner but it does not dispaly anything but the service names :(
same for qdbus

Calling a method on the above interface also gives an error:
testcall QDBusMessage(type=Error, service="", error name="org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod", error message="Method "GetFixStatus" with signature "" on interface "org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device" doesn't exist
", signature="", contents=([]) )

trying with
	deviceInterface = new QDBusInterface("org.freedesktop.Gypsy", "/org/freedesktop/Gypsy", "org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device", QDBusConnection::systemBus(),this);
	connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, SIGNAL(fixChanged(int)));
	qDebug() << "testcall" << deviceInterface->call("GetFixStatus");

I get:
Object::connect: No such signal org::freedesktop::Gypsy::Device::FixStatusChanged(int)
testcall QDBusMessage(type=MethodReturn, service=":1.15", signature="i", contents=(1) )

So at least the function call works here - but not the signal.

Any ideas?


From timo.jyrinki at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 19:23:00 2010
From: timo.jyrinki at gmail.com (Timo Jyrinki)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 20:23:00 +0200
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
Message-ID: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Just FYI to the community list, as slowness has been one of the
biggest problems with Neo. Quite nice speedups are coming:

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2010-January/010811.html
(performance testing by Gennady Kupava)

Apparently, and unfortunately, no-one had really questioned Om Inc:s
(who mainly did the kernel work back in the days of the still mostly
used 2.6.29) choices of kernel configuration. Disabling kernel debug
features and pre-empt has resulted eg. these kind of improvements
(from IRC, #openmoko-fi):
- boot time 68.5% of original
- "apt-cache search nano" 20s -> 14.8s
- "emacs -f kill-emacs" 3.8s -> 2.2s

These configuration changes are not yet in andy-tracking (the 2.6.29
kernel still being used in most distros), I don't know what's the
situation in the new om-2.6.32 branch. Together with the quite recent
commit from Thomas White that doubled theoretical glamo speeds (in
practice at least 20% in general), I feel that Neo FreeRunner is not
anymore "terribly slow", but only "slow" by today's standards, which
is quite an improvement. Especially after having been used to the
"terribly slow" general behavior ;)

Please tell if some distro happened to have those disabled already,
and if someone knew about these speedups via the options already - and
please arrange a commit to git.openmoko.org next time! Anyway, this
all goes to show that in a project with limited resources like
Openmoko, especially now that it's completely in the hands of the
community when it comes to Neo FreeRunner development, you have to
have the courage to question anything "suspicious" etc. you are
seeing, not trusting that someone has actually optimized something to
the extent assumed.

If you want to have a quick grab of the new kernel for Debian (or any
distro that loads uImage from a file), I put my compilation of kernel
and modules to http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/moko/kernel_20100108_nodebug_nopreempt/

-Timo, wishing everyone a speedier new year


From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Fri Jan  8 19:25:29 2010
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 20:25:29 +0200
Subject: Fwd: dfu_download error -110
In-Reply-To: <20100108090747.GC3321@jama>
References: <3494db261001060907m64258ea1j831bce14270adb5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3494db261001080101h20a51ad9t50705c64738b1f02@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100108090747.GC3321@jama>
Message-ID: <3494db261001081025u194b4721kfa678aac767b5f09@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Martin Jansa <martin.jansa at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 11:01:23AM +0200, Tony Berth wrote:
> > any chance to draw some attention on the following?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Tony
>
> can you try with newer qi?
>
> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/qi-s3c2442-1.0.2-r0+gitr0+c38b062a609f1442e6a9e13005cfbdfd59a5ac0d.udfu
>
> Cheers,
>
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com>
> > Date: Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:07 PM
> > Subject: dfu_download error -110
> > To: List for Openmoko community discussion <community at lists.openmoko.org
> >
> >
> >
> > when I tried to flash my FR with the latest SHR and after the kernel was
> > successfully installed, I got (somewhere in the middle of the process):
>
> middle of which process? dfu flashing of image or flashing of that
> kernel?
>
> > dfu_download error -110
>
> > please note, that I did try to re-install the latest qi bootloader (
> >
> http://people.openmoko.org/andy/qi-s3c2442-master-hist_3b8513d8b3d9615e.udfu
> )
> > but still get the same error!
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Tony
>
>
>
the error occurs in the middle of flashing an image. I get the error after
14 x #! I don't know if that could be of any help!

I did install
http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/qi-s3c2442-1.0.2-r0+gitr0+c38b062a609f1442e6a9e13005cfbdfd59a5ac0d.udfubut
this didn't make any difference!

I don't think that the cable is a problem cause other USB devices work with
the same cable very well!

Thanks Tony
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From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Fri Jan  8 19:26:32 2010
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 20:26:32 +0200
Subject: Fwd: dfu_download error -110
In-Reply-To: <m28wc87rxf.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <3494db261001060907m64258ea1j831bce14270adb5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3494db261001080101h20a51ad9t50705c64738b1f02@mail.gmail.com>
	<m28wc87rxf.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <3494db261001081026h1d6353f5w435b71e9203e18a3@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Paul Fertser <fercerpav at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com> writes:
> > when I tried to flash my FR with the latest SHR and after the kernel
> > was successfully installed, I got (somewhere in the middle of the
> > process):
> >
> > dfu_download error -110
>
> It's usually suggested to try another usb-cable/port/no hub etc. Also
> make sure you flash to the correct nand partition.
>
> --
> Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
> mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com
>

how can I be sure that I flash the correct nand partition?

Thanks

Tony
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From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 19:32:25 2010
From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:32:25 -0800
Subject: dfu_download error -110
In-Reply-To: <3494db261001060907m64258ea1j831bce14270adb5a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db261001060907m64258ea1j831bce14270adb5a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f8d5d4f31001081032w77c0a325p22d8ab252cde723c@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com> wrote:
> when I tried to flash my FR with the latest SHR and after the kernel was
> successfully installed, I got (somewhere in the middle of the process):
>
> dfu_download error -110

just... making sure. your root when you do this right?


From esteban.francisco at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 19:33:55 2010
From: esteban.francisco at gmail.com (Esteban Monge)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:33:55 -0600
Subject: QtMoko tool chain + PhoneME Advanced
Message-ID: <ef378ab31001081033o2f1411easfdffbd7dda60dea3@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, I want compile PhoneME Advanced, also want make this with qtmoko
toolchain, but when I want compile pcsl show the next error:

/opt/toolchains/arm920t-eabi/bin/ ../lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnueabi/4.3.2/cc1:
error while loading shared libraries: libmpfr.so.1: cannot open shared
object file: No such file or directory

The error is a problem of the toolchain? How I can fix? I think is a problem
of any symbolick link or similar. Also I must make a symbolic link for
arm-linux-gcc to gcc, but gcc works good except by the problem with cc1.

Thanks.
-- 
http://nuevaeracr.blogspot.com
Linux user number 478378
Linux machine number 386687
Tec. Esteban Monge Mar?n
Tel: (506) 8379-3562

?No habr? manera de desarrollarnos y salir de
la pobreza mientras los pocos negocios
grandes de nuestro medio se entreguen a las
econom?as for?neas y nosotros nos
quedemos con solo negocios de pobre,
mientras en vez de ser propietarios de nuestro
propio pa?s nos convirtamos en un ej?rcito de
empleados del exterior?
Jos? Figueres Ferrer, 1952.
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From timo.jyrinki at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 19:35:02 2010
From: timo.jyrinki at gmail.com (Timo Jyrinki)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 20:35:02 +0200
Subject: Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <68da43e01001081035o79085335na54f085ef6c90322@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/4 William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:
> Nokia n900 - probably the best choice at this time.

Probably, but to be more precise "not yet" instead of "at this time".
It's the only one that seems to have realistic possibility of some day
having a free distribution running with all features enabled. But it's
not today, and it remains to be seen how active the community around
it is.

I'm personally thinking that in 1-2 years I could have a pure Debian
(maybe custom kernel) running on N900, with everything except probably
3D working. That assumes some people will reverse-engineer the battery
loading etc. whatever is needed.

But until then there is simply no choice besides Neo FreeRunner,
unless something new appears or community around Palm evolves to reach
the level of free distribution hackers around Maemo and the modem
stuff is reverse-engineered.

And even with those, I would have to give up free hardware :S I'd
really hope for "FreeRunner with 3G and Glamo ripped off, possibly
newer CPU" some day. For example some company joining gta02-core
effort to semi-productize something new...

-Timo


From martin.jansa at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 19:39:23 2010
From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 19:39:23 +0100
Subject: Fwd: dfu_download error -110
In-Reply-To: <3494db261001081025u194b4721kfa678aac767b5f09@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db261001060907m64258ea1j831bce14270adb5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3494db261001080101h20a51ad9t50705c64738b1f02@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100108090747.GC3321@jama>
	<3494db261001081025u194b4721kfa678aac767b5f09@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100108183923.GH2156@jama>

On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 08:25:29PM +0200, Tony Berth wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Martin Jansa <martin.jansa at gmail.com>wrote:
> > can you try with newer qi?
> >
> > http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/qi-s3c2442-1.0.2-r0+gitr0+c38b062a609f1442e6a9e13005cfbdfd59a5ac0d.udfu
> >
> > Cheers,
> the error occurs in the middle of flashing an image. I get the error after
> 14 x #! I don't know if that could be of any help!
> 
> I did install
> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/qi-s3c2442-1.0.2-r0+gitr0+c38b062a609f1442e6a9e13005cfbdfd59a5ac0d.udfubut
> this didn't make any difference!

Sorry I've read it wrong.. used qi for flashing image with dfu-util doesn't matter of course..

I just seen that you tried "latest qi bootloader" so I pointed out that
its not latest anymore.. but the rest I've read too quickly to parse
before 1st coffee..

-- 
uin:136542059                jid:Martin.Jansa at gmail.com
Jansa Martin                 sip:jamasip at voip.wengo.fr 
JaMa                         


From fercerpav at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 20:11:29 2010
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:11:29 +0300
Subject: Fwd: dfu_download error -110
In-Reply-To: <3494db261001081026h1d6353f5w435b71e9203e18a3@mail.gmail.com>
	(Tony Berth's message of "Fri\, 8 Jan 2010 20\:26\:32 +0200")
References: <3494db261001060907m64258ea1j831bce14270adb5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3494db261001080101h20a51ad9t50705c64738b1f02@mail.gmail.com>
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	<3494db261001081026h1d6353f5w435b71e9203e18a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m21vi076ou.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com> writes:
>     Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com> writes:
>     > when I tried to flash my FR with the latest SHR and after the kernel
>     > was successfully installed, I got (somewhere in the middle of the
>     > process):
>     >
>     > dfu_download error -110
>    
>     It's usually suggested to try another usb-cable/port/no hub etc. Also
>     make sure you flash to the correct nand partition.
>
> how can I be sure that I flash the correct nand partition?

_to_ the correct nand partition, i.e. when flashing rootfs you should
use -a rootfs dfu-util switch. Other than that, it still worth trying
to check another cable/port even if other devices work ok. Have you
already checked the meaning of the error btw?

-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com


From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Fri Jan  8 20:22:21 2010
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 20:22:21 +0100
Subject: QtMoko tool chain + PhoneME Advanced
In-Reply-To: <ef378ab31001081033o2f1411easfdffbd7dda60dea3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef378ab31001081033o2f1411easfdffbd7dda60dea3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001082022.21405.psonek2@seznam.cz>

Esteban Monge wrote:

> /opt/toolchains/arm920t-eabi/bin/ ../lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnueabi/4.3.2/cc1:
> error while loading shared libraries: libmpfr.so.1: cannot open shared
> object file: No such file or directory

Same error here when i switched from 32bit->64bit. I seems that the debian 
toolchain needs 2 more 32bit libraries. I solved this by downloading them 
manually, unpacking and copying them to /usr/lib32

dpkg -X libmpfr1ldbl_2.4.1-1ubuntu1_i386.deb .
dpkg -X libgmp3c2_4.3.1+dfsg-1ubuntu3_i386.deb .
 
> The error is a problem of the toolchain? How I can fix?

Maybe better fix would be to bundle the above libs with toolchain.

> I think is a
>  problem of any symbolick link or similar. Also I must make a symbolic link
>  for arm-linux-gcc to gcc, but gcc works good except by the problem with
>  cc1.

This part i dont understand. Can you please more specify what you try to do?

Regards

Radek


From hariseldon78 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 20:30:17 2010
From: hariseldon78 at gmail.com (roby)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 20:30:17 +0100 (CET)
Subject: openmoko io error
In-Reply-To: <e308996070676ed67535114b8eeeafa5.squirrel@www.henkins.za.net>
Message-ID: <g47d3j097nvtdy419iUYAxe124vaj_firegpg@mail.gmail.com>



On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Jan Henkins &lt;jan at henkins.za.net&gt; wrote:
Hello Roberto,
I seem to have a similar issue. In my case my FR does not read SD cards,
and give the same error messages as above until the kernel simply disables
and removes the mmcblk0 device. I seem to remember that at some point
between the v.5 and v.6 hardware, a small resistor was put on to some legs
of the SIM or uSD card reader connections (you should be able to see one
on yours). I have a suspicion that this is what has gone wrong on your FR
as well as mine. Unfortunately this is simply a wild guess from my part, I
do not have the kit or expertise to test this.

yes, i have the resistor. is there anything to do about this?&nbsp; 
and, btw, how can i know which version i have? under the battery i don't find useful info..
-- 
roby
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From esteban.francisco at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 20:48:19 2010
From: esteban.francisco at gmail.com (Esteban Monge)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:48:19 -0600
Subject: QtMoko tool chain + PhoneME Advanced
In-Reply-To: <201001082022.21405.psonek2@seznam.cz>
References: <ef378ab31001081033o2f1411easfdffbd7dda60dea3@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001082022.21405.psonek2@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <ef378ab31001081148h62910ea1n8660bd019c965140@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Radek, I use Debian 64bits, copy the files and works good.

Also I must make a symbolic link
>  for arm-linux-gcc to gcc, but gcc works good except by the problem with
>  cc1.

This part i dont understand. Can you please more specify what you try to do?

The toolchain works with arm-linux-(command), but the scripts for build
phoneme works with the command only, I only make a symbolic link for each
command, for example for arm-linux-ar to ar only, and the scripts works
good.

Sorry for my bad english, and thanks for the help!!!

2010/1/8 Radek Polak <psonek2 at seznam.cz>

> Esteban Monge wrote:
>
> > /opt/toolchains/arm920t-eabi/bin/ ../lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnueabi/4.3.2/cc1:
> > error while loading shared libraries: libmpfr.so.1: cannot open shared
> > object file: No such file or directory
>
> Same error here when i switched from 32bit->64bit. I seems that the debian
> toolchain needs 2 more 32bit libraries. I solved this by downloading them
> manually, unpacking and copying them to /usr/lib32
>
> dpkg -X libmpfr1ldbl_2.4.1-1ubuntu1_i386.deb .
> dpkg -X libgmp3c2_4.3.1+dfsg-1ubuntu3_i386.deb .
>
> > The error is a problem of the toolchain? How I can fix?
>
> Maybe better fix would be to bundle the above libs with toolchain.
>
> > I think is a
> >  problem of any symbolick link or similar. Also I must make a symbolic
> link
> >  for arm-linux-gcc to gcc, but gcc works good except by the problem with
> >  cc1.
>
> This part i dont understand. Can you please more specify what you try to
> do?
>
> Regards
>
> Radek
>



-- 
http://nuevaeracr.blogspot.com
Linux user number 478378
Linux machine number 386687
Tec. Esteban Monge Mar?n
Tel: (506) 8379-3562

?No habr? manera de desarrollarnos y salir de
la pobreza mientras los pocos negocios
grandes de nuestro medio se entreguen a las
econom?as for?neas y nosotros nos
quedemos con solo negocios de pobre,
mientras en vez de ser propietarios de nuestro
propio pa?s nos convirtamos en un ej?rcito de
empleados del exterior?
Jos? Figueres Ferrer, 1952.
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From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 21:19:29 2010
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 21:19:29 +0100
Subject: Some questions about TangoGPS
In-Reply-To: <d0da135f1001080714m34bd9baap1a966633d5b0603b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6671001080031n5aa9ad1cif4d98789e2767698@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100108092027.GA29345@merkur.sol.de>
	<d0da135f1001080535q784ece1ar7bd378e7e9114bb9@mail.gmail.com>
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2010/1/8 Fabian Sch?lzel <fabian.schoelzel at googlemail.com>

> 2010/1/8 Yorick Moko <yorickmoko at gmail.com>:
> > and I almost always top-post, so what :)
>
> So i'm trying middle posting right now! ;)
>
> > I made a joke about his "In the name of..." heading, but I don't care
> what
> > people write
> > to me it's about the same as "yo nigga biatches, whats up?";
> > not really my kind of talk, but hey, if it rocks your boat..
>
> I didn't meant you with my comment, Yorick.
>
> I know, I was just trying to say that it doesn't bother me how he starts
his e-mails
as long as I don't have to read the whole koran before I can see his message
(in that case i would just skip that e-mail :-))
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From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Fri Jan  8 21:27:42 2010
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 22:27:42 +0200
Subject: dfu_download error -110
In-Reply-To: <f8d5d4f31001081032w77c0a325p22d8ab252cde723c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db261001060907m64258ea1j831bce14270adb5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8d5d4f31001081032w77c0a325p22d8ab252cde723c@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 8:32 PM, jeremy jozwik <jerjoz.forums at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> > when I tried to flash my FR with the latest SHR and after the kernel was
> > successfully installed, I got (somewhere in the middle of the process):
> >
> > dfu_download error -110
>
> just... making sure. your root when you do this right?
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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yes indeed!
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From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Fri Jan  8 21:29:31 2010
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 22:29:31 +0200
Subject: Fwd: dfu_download error -110
In-Reply-To: <m21vi076ou.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <3494db261001060907m64258ea1j831bce14270adb5a@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Paul Fertser <fercerpav at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com> writes:
> >     Tony Berth <tonyberth at googlemail.com> writes:
> >     > when I tried to flash my FR with the latest SHR and after the
> kernel
> >     > was successfully installed, I got (somewhere in the middle of the
> >     > process):
> >     >
> >     > dfu_download error -110
> >
> >     It's usually suggested to try another usb-cable/port/no hub etc. Also
> >     make sure you flash to the correct nand partition.
> >
> > how can I be sure that I flash the correct nand partition?
>
> _to_ the correct nand partition, i.e. when flashing rootfs you should
> use -a rootfs dfu-util switch. Other than that, it still worth trying
> to check another cable/port even if other devices work ok. Have you
> already checked the meaning of the error btw?
>
> --
> Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
> mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com
>


I'll try to get another cable.

Yes, I use flag '-a' for rootfs but didn't find the meaning of that error!
That's my problem too!

Thanks

Tony
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From dehqan65 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 21:31:22 2010
From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (dehqan65)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 00:01:22 +0330
Subject: Some questions about TangoGPS
In-Reply-To: <958244341001080718j5f784794s1465123390e1382b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6671001080031n5aa9ad1cif4d98789e2767698@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100108092027.GA29345@merkur.sol.de>
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In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful

Hello , The above sentence is regular phrase that we use to remember God
anytime in any letter/post /work . to remember that we are made by someone
who is compassionate merciful unique and that we are nothing against him
.more info read quran . of course it is undeniable we are free to select our
way .
also dehqan is my humble last name .

Anyway some questions remained :

1 - There is an option that lets tangogps users selecting using Google sat
maps , but some problems :

A - Is not using google maps under TangoGPS against google's EULA ? If it is
do not answer next questions .

B - Quality of pictures (Google maps) in Tangogps is not the same as Google
apps . for example check this
location<http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=32.7026,51.1537&spn=0.046946,0.097418&t=k&z=14&key=ABQIAAAAEHSQK1vAAAuBZm_l9nDfuxR-o64xXIeDw7j_JZZzFnbEVH6OthQCJTz0e4bbm3CpyEKMFqf7FEzFIw&mapclient=jsapi&oi=map_misc&ct=api_logo>in
both .
Maybe this is cause of the differnece between maps.google.com and
http://khm.google.com/ pictures ??

C - Google app shows street names with an option "show label" . Can not
Tangogps get that layer in the same way it get pictures ?

2 - How to download a part of earth (city/country) maps with zoom level 15
(500/1000 meter height) ?

Regards dehqan
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From marcus.bauer at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 22:19:50 2010
From: marcus.bauer at gmail.com (Marcus Bauer)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 22:19:50 +0100
Subject: Some questions about TangoGPS
In-Reply-To: <267bb6671001081231m1cad9898uba257b4b265331ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6671001080031n5aa9ad1cif4d98789e2767698@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100108092027.GA29345@merkur.sol.de>
	<d0da135f1001080535q784ece1ar7bd378e7e9114bb9@mail.gmail.com>
	<26fea52c1001080554y5c58a824tbd694d9c1f3522f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0da135f1001080714m34bd9baap1a966633d5b0603b@mail.gmail.com>
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	<267bb6671001081231m1cad9898uba257b4b265331ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100108221950.406b83e2@acer>

On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 00:01:22 +0330
dehqan65 <dehqan65 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyway some questions remained :
> 
> 1 - There is an option that lets tangogps users selecting using
> Google sat maps , but some problems :
> 
> A - Is not using google maps under TangoGPS against google's EULA ?

You have to ask a lawyer for that. And the more lawyers you ask, the
more opinions you will get.

I am not a lawyer. But tangoGPS uses its name as user
agent, i.e. it does not disguise as Internet Explorer or Firefox. So
simply from a practical point of view Google can block it easily.

As long as tangogps users are less than 0.000001% of the traffic I
guess they wont bother.

And if you start downloading larger areas you quickly get a 24 hour
penalty...

In any case I am sure they have tuck loads of excellent lawyers :-)


> B - Quality of pictures (Google maps) in Tangogps is not the same as
> Google apps . for example check this
> location<http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=32.7026,51.1537&spn=0.046946,0.097418&t=k&z=14&key=ABQIAAAAEHSQK1vAAAuBZm_l9nDfuxR-o64xXIeDw7j_JZZzFnbEVH6OthQCJTz0e4bbm3CpyEKMFqf7FEzFIw&mapclient=jsapi&oi=map_misc&ct=api_logo>in
> both .
> Maybe this is cause of the differnece between maps.google.com and
> http://khm.google.com/ pictures ??

No difference here for that very location. And I never saw any
difference elsewhere.


> C - Google app shows street names with an option "show label" . Can
> not Tangogps get that layer in the same way it get pictures ?

Currently no.

> 2 - How to download a part of earth (city/country) maps with zoom
> level 15 (500/1000 meter height) ?

Zoom to the area you need and click on the map. Choose the last entry
in the pop-up menu and follow the instructions.

Regards,
Marcus



From werner at openmoko.org  Fri Jan  8 22:34:48 2010
From: werner at openmoko.org (Werner Almesberger)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:34:48 -0300
Subject: Whither open hardware ?
In-Reply-To: <4B44C818.8080109@underhand.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.1001022314340.8742@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu>
	<20100103144727.GA4240@almesberger.net>
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	<4B44C818.8080109@underhand.org>
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Dave Ball wrote:
> What's the yard stick for measuring against here?  I.e. are we talking 
> about one-off from digikey/farnell, samples direct from the 
> manufacturer, or limited-run (couple of hundreds) quantities?

For the full process from R&D to mass production, you need to have
channels for small, medium, and large quantities. First just a few
to figure out if and how the thing works. Then hundreds for the
prototypes, and finally thousands for mass production.

If a part is available from Digi-Key or a similar distributor, this
helps enormously to accelerate R&D and it can also help when in a
pinch in a prototype run.

> > - what are the integration costs ?
> is this things like placement of awkward (small pitch etc.) parts,  
> FPC's etc.,  or ancillary parts such as partner chips?

Depending on the part, it can be all of this and more. Requirements
on the PCB and the SMT process, partner chips, extra voltages,
mechanical and thermal issues, drivers, and so on.

Examples:

- if a new component reduces the minimum pitch or has a higher pad
  density than the rest, your PCB may get more difficult to make,
  possibly resulting in higher cost, a smaller choice of companies
  that have the technology, higher lead time, and so on.

- some components have an unusual reflow profile, e.g., batteries
  (don't like the heat) or complicated BGAs (have to make sure even
  the most inaccessible ball reflows correctly).

- CPUs have long lists of requirements on their power supplies and
  their sequencing. E.g., it was quite a puzzle to figure out how
  to make the 2442 with with the 50633.

- extra voltages: some chips inexplicably want something slightly
  different from 3.3 V. There goes another LDO.

- mechanical: need to find suitable space. Electromechanical
  components also need to interface mechanically, which may affect
  the shape of other elements.

- thermal: don't cook your neighbours and don't be cooked by them.
  Also, some special layout may be needed to get the heat away from
  the chip.

- let's not forget the software. If a chip needs a driver, that one
  has to be written, debugged, and so on. This also implies what
  one needs sufficiently open documentation, which can require a
  great deal of negotiation.

> Is the normal route of sourcing via a factory (even for prototypes 
> etc.)?  From a few searches it seems that getting hold of some parts 
> (i.e. screens / touch layers) is incredibly difficult for one-offs.

For the easily obtainable parts, you have many choices. Small
quantities you get from Digi-Key, even if it's expensive per piece.
Perhaps even medium quantities, if you don't already have a better
channel. Large quantities, you get from the official distributor.
If you're willing to take some (small) chances, you can also use
other channels, e.g., to bring down lead time.

Parts that are hard to get require contacts, muscle, illusions, or
someone who can lend you some of these. You normally negotiate the
whole package, so you don't only get samples but you also at least
talk about the larger quantities you'll need in the future.

For prototypes you want fast turn-around times, so involving a
mass-production factory may not be such a good idea. They can do
sourcing, but their mode of operation may not include quick changes
and such. (E.g., GTA01 was prototyped in Taipei, GTA02 had many
prototype runs at the MP factory, a process that was agonizingly
slow and had a huge overhead, GTA03 was prototyped again in Taipei.)

- Werner


From dscaini at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 23:20:43 2010
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 23:20:43 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18db98c81001081420m22f2ccc5med14e84d11fb23be@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Timo Jyrinki <timo.jyrinki at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just FYI to the community list, as slowness has been one of the
> biggest problems with Neo. Quite nice speedups are coming:
>
>
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2010-January/010811.html
> (performance testing by Gennady Kupava)
>
> Apparently, and unfortunately, no-one had really questioned Om Inc:s
> (who mainly did the kernel work back in the days of the still mostly
> used 2.6.29) choices of kernel configuration. Disabling kernel debug
> features and pre-empt has resulted eg. these kind of improvements
> (from IRC, #openmoko-fi):
> - boot time 68.5% of original
> - "apt-cache search nano" 20s -> 14.8s
> - "emacs -f kill-emacs" 3.8s -> 2.2s
>
> These configuration changes are not yet in andy-tracking (the 2.6.29
> kernel still being used in most distros), I don't know what's the
> situation in the new om-2.6.32 branch. Together with the quite recent
> commit from Thomas White that doubled theoretical glamo speeds (in
> practice at least 20% in general), I feel that Neo FreeRunner is not
> anymore "terribly slow", but only "slow" by today's standards, which
> is quite an improvement. Especially after having been used to the
> "terribly slow" general behavior ;)
>
> Please tell if some distro happened to have those disabled already,
> and if someone knew about these speedups via the options already - and
> please arrange a commit to git.openmoko.org next time! Anyway, this
> all goes to show that in a project with limited resources like
> Openmoko, especially now that it's completely in the hands of the
> community when it comes to Neo FreeRunner development, you have to
> have the courage to question anything "suspicious" etc. you are
> seeing, not trusting that someone has actually optimized something to
> the extent assumed.
>
> If you want to have a quick grab of the new kernel for Debian (or any
> distro that loads uImage from a file), I put my compilation of kernel
> and modules to
> http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/moko/kernel_20100108_nodebug_nopreempt/
>
> -Timo, wishing everyone a speedier new year
>
>
ha ha, great work man!
I'll try it soon!
d
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From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Fri Jan  8 23:28:28 2010
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 23:28:28 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001082328.28968.psonek2@seznam.cz>

Timo Jyrinki wrote:

> Disabling kernel debug
> features and pre-empt has resulted eg. these kind of improvements
> (from IRC, #openmoko-fi):
> - boot time 68.5% of original
> - "apt-cache search nano" 20s -> 14.8s
> - "emacs -f kill-emacs" 3.8s -> 2.2s

Here are mine numbers on QtMoko:

kernel size:
old: 1 833 952
new: 1 660 364

boot time
old: 1min 58s
new: 1min 30s

+ wihout debug stuff there is also some more RAM and it seems it will be 
possible to compile moredrivers config < 2MB and subjectively everything is 
faster. So for me this optimazations are definitely useful. 

Maybe we could remove all the stuff from gta configs and put them in another 
small file (gta02_debug_config?) so that if anybody wants to compile with debug 
options he can just copy paste this file into moredrives/packaging config and he 
will easily end up with the same debug options as we have now in configs.

Regards

Radek


From wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca  Fri Jan  8 23:28:34 2010
From: wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca (Warren Baird)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:28:34 -0500
Subject: Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <68da43e01001081035o79085335na54f085ef6c90322@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<68da43e01001081035o79085335na54f085ef6c90322@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b66a83e01001081428r1dbff7bcmd8ad76fddc2d5c5d@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Timo Jyrinki <timo.jyrinki at gmail.com> wrote:

> 2010/1/4 William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:
> > Nokia n900 - probably the best choice at this time.
>
> Probably, but to be more precise "not yet" instead of "at this time".
> It's the only one that seems to have realistic possibility of some day
> having a free distribution running with all features enabled. But it's
> not today, and it remains to be seen how active the community around
> it is.
>
>
Depends a bit on how you define 'free'...   I interact with a phone mostly
as a user, and possibly as a app developer - so for me if I can run free
software on it, and I can develop free software for it using free tools,
it's 'free enough'...    I really want a device that I can use as a phone,
and a hand-held linux box.   The FR does the hand-held linux box part very
well, but not so much the phone part.

I've been using my FR for 1.5 years, as my primary phone for a lot of that
time(on QtEI and the more recently shr-u), and I must admit I'm getting more
and more frustrated with it - between the regular crashes and hangs, the
incredibly slow performance (so slow that I still occasionally miss a call
because I can't unlock the phone in time to answer it), the horrible GPRS
performance, and the various idiosyncracies (like the  recent 'feature' to
progressively dim the screen while I'm trying to use it, inability to
connect to wifi much of the time, etc.)...

There have been improvements, but it's been very slow, and IMO we're still a
*long* way from having a phone with even a half-decent user experience...
and there is nothing we can do can fix issues like the poor glamo bandwidth,
and the crappy GPRS performance.  When I'm out of the house and need to look
something up on the web, I borrow my wife's Iphone - I can look up what I
need before the FR's browser finishes launching, let alone loading the
google homepage...

Unfortunately, I've been actively looking for a device lately to replace my
FR - I'm just too fed up with it.   The N900 is currently my leading
contender.   I had originally written it off, because it doesn't support the
3G data frequencies currently available here in Montreal - but I realized
the other day that it's 'fallback' data support is EDGE, not GPRS.   The
*fallback* on this phone is still 20x to 50x faster than the best data
tranfer rate I can get on the FR...

And to be blunt, I don't give a damn if the battery loading software isn't
open...  As long as it's a linux stack, and it's easy to cross-compile the
app software I want for it, using the standard open source libs I'm familiar
with --- that's free enough...

So long, and thanks for all the fish...

Warren

-- 
Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist
http://www.synergisticimages.ca
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From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 23:49:13 2010
From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:49:13 -0800
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <201001082328.28968.psonek2@seznam.cz>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001082328.28968.psonek2@seznam.cz>
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On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Radek Polak <psonek2 at seznam.cz> wrote:
> Here are mine numbers on QtMoko:
>
> kernel size:
> old: 1 833 952
> new: 1 660 364
>
> boot time
> old: 1min 58s
> new: 1min 30s

huzzah! lets get this piped in asap. would this help with application load time?


From fercerpav at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 00:06:39 2010
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 02:06:39 +0300
Subject: Fwd: dfu_download error -110
In-Reply-To: <3494db261001081229x28fc0343hc07773141c188ade@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3494db261001060907m64258ea1j831bce14270adb5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3494db261001080101h20a51ad9t50705c64738b1f02@mail.gmail.com>
	<m28wc87rxf.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<3494db261001081026h1d6353f5w435b71e9203e18a3@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 10:29:31PM +0200, Tony Berth wrote:
>   Tony Berth <[2]tonyberth at googlemail.com> writes:
>   >     Tony Berth <[3]tonyberth at googlemail.com> writes:
>   >     > when I tried to flash my FR with the latest SHR and after the kernel
>   >     > was successfully installed, I got (somewhere in the middle of the
>   >     > process):
>   >     >
>   >     > dfu_download error -110
>   >
>   >     It's usually suggested to try another usb-cable/port/no hub etc. Also
>   >     make sure you flash to the correct nand partition.
>   >
>   > how can I be sure that I flash the correct nand partition?
> 
>   _to_ the correct nand partition, i.e. when flashing rootfs you should
>   use -a rootfs dfu-util switch. Other than that, it still worth trying
>   to check another cable/port even if other devices work ok. Have you
>   already checked the meaning of the error btw?
> 
> I'll try to get another cable.
> 
> Yes, I use flag '-a' for rootfs but didn't find the meaning of that error!
> That's my problem too!

Looks like it's directly what usb_control_msg returns and it means ETIMEDOUT
obviously.

-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com


From dave.tv at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 01:34:32 2010
From: dave.tv at gmail.com (Dave)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:34:32 +1000
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <f8d5d4f31001081449t513b59eap441066a3cbaf203e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001082328.28968.psonek2@seznam.cz>
	<f8d5d4f31001081449t513b59eap441066a3cbaf203e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <34ee7cb51001081634t2c8e7c00yb5a7d36c58a720e9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
    I get similar boot speed improvements on my FR with both qtmoko v16 in
NAND and Hackable1 rev5 on SD. The kernel also fixes an issue with both
distro's where BT would fail to wake after suspend.

Well done!

-Dave

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:49 AM, jeremy jozwik <jerjoz.forums at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Radek Polak <psonek2 at seznam.cz> wrote:
> > Here are mine numbers on QtMoko:
> >
> > kernel size:
> > old: 1 833 952
> > new: 1 660 364
> >
> > boot time
> > old: 1min 58s
> > new: 1min 30s
>
> huzzah! lets get this piped in asap. would this help with application load
> time?
>
> _______________________________________________
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From wolfgang at sharism.cc  Sat Jan  9 04:21:28 2010
From: wolfgang at sharism.cc (Wolfgang Spraul)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 22:21:28 -0500
Subject: Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <b66a83e01001081428r1dbff7bcmd8ad76fddc2d5c5d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<68da43e01001081035o79085335na54f085ef6c90322@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20100109032128.GA4728@debian>

Warren,

> I've been using my FR for 1.5 years, as my primary phone for a lot of that
> time(on QtEI and the more recently shr-u), and I must admit I'm getting more
> and more frustrated with it - between the regular crashes and hangs, the
> incredibly slow performance (so slow that I still occasionally miss a call
> because I can't unlock the phone in time to answer it), the horrible GPRS
> performance, and the various idiosyncracies (like the  recent 'feature' to
> progressively dim the screen while I'm trying to use it, inability to
> connect to wifi much of the time, etc.)...
> 
> There have been improvements, but it's been very slow, and IMO we're still a
> *long* way from having a phone with even a half-decent user experience...
> and there is nothing we can do can fix issues like the poor glamo bandwidth,
> and the crappy GPRS performance.  When I'm out of the house and need to look
> something up on the web, I borrow my wife's Iphone - I can look up what I
> need before the FR's browser finishes launching, let alone loading the
> google homepage...

Just want to say thanks for writing this up!
It's tough, but I think you pretty much sum up the experience of a lof of
people. It's the best that we could achieve (I worked for Openmoko before).

> And to be blunt, I don't give a damn if the battery loading software isn't
> open...  As long as it's a linux stack, and it's easy to cross-compile the
> app software I want for it, using the standard open source libs I'm familiar
> with --- that's free enough...

Sounds like a plan.
We all want a 100% free phone, but we gain nothing from building on sand.
So with the FreeRunner in the state it is, I think development will fragment
for a while, until it comes together again in a new attempt at a 100% free
phone one day. Until then, if the hardware is not stable you cannot do kernel
development, if the kernel is not stable you cannot do middleware, if
middleware is not stable you cannot do apps.
Doing it all at the same time like with the FreeRunner lead to what you
described above.

For myself - I went back to an old Blackberry Pearl, I think I will buy
a new Linux phone only if one exists that can do telephony when reflashed
with an image built by OE/OWrt or so. Like you I would also accept some
binary parts temporarily.
As far as I understand that still doesn't work with the Palm Pre or N900,
so I'm in wait-and-see mode.

Wolfgang

On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 05:28:34PM -0500, Warren Baird wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Timo Jyrinki <timo.jyrinki at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > 2010/1/4 William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:
> > > Nokia n900 - probably the best choice at this time.
> >
> > Probably, but to be more precise "not yet" instead of "at this time".
> > It's the only one that seems to have realistic possibility of some day
> > having a free distribution running with all features enabled. But it's
> > not today, and it remains to be seen how active the community around
> > it is.
> >
> >
> Depends a bit on how you define 'free'...   I interact with a phone mostly
> as a user, and possibly as a app developer - so for me if I can run free
> software on it, and I can develop free software for it using free tools,
> it's 'free enough'...    I really want a device that I can use as a phone,
> and a hand-held linux box.   The FR does the hand-held linux box part very
> well, but not so much the phone part.
> 
> I've been using my FR for 1.5 years, as my primary phone for a lot of that
> time(on QtEI and the more recently shr-u), and I must admit I'm getting more
> and more frustrated with it - between the regular crashes and hangs, the
> incredibly slow performance (so slow that I still occasionally miss a call
> because I can't unlock the phone in time to answer it), the horrible GPRS
> performance, and the various idiosyncracies (like the  recent 'feature' to
> progressively dim the screen while I'm trying to use it, inability to
> connect to wifi much of the time, etc.)...
> 
> There have been improvements, but it's been very slow, and IMO we're still a
> *long* way from having a phone with even a half-decent user experience...
> and there is nothing we can do can fix issues like the poor glamo bandwidth,
> and the crappy GPRS performance.  When I'm out of the house and need to look
> something up on the web, I borrow my wife's Iphone - I can look up what I
> need before the FR's browser finishes launching, let alone loading the
> google homepage...
> 
> Unfortunately, I've been actively looking for a device lately to replace my
> FR - I'm just too fed up with it.   The N900 is currently my leading
> contender.   I had originally written it off, because it doesn't support the
> 3G data frequencies currently available here in Montreal - but I realized
> the other day that it's 'fallback' data support is EDGE, not GPRS.   The
> *fallback* on this phone is still 20x to 50x faster than the best data
> tranfer rate I can get on the FR...
> 
> And to be blunt, I don't give a damn if the battery loading software isn't
> open...  As long as it's a linux stack, and it's easy to cross-compile the
> app software I want for it, using the standard open source libs I'm familiar
> with --- that's free enough...
> 
> So long, and thanks for all the fish...
> 
> Warren
> 
> -- 
> Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist
> http://www.synergisticimages.ca

> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
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From wolfgang at sharism.cc  Sat Jan  9 06:43:32 2010
From: wolfgang at sharism.cc (Wolfgang Spraul)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 00:43:32 -0500
Subject: Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <68da43e01001081035o79085335na54f085ef6c90322@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<68da43e01001081035o79085335na54f085ef6c90322@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100109054332.GA5020@debian>

Timo,

> I'd really hope for "FreeRunner with 3G and Glamo ripped off, possibly
> newer CPU" some day. For example some company joining gta02-core
> effort to semi-productize something new...

Yeah definitely.
There are a number of efforts going on to regroup, here's my perspective
on the lower layers (everything up to Linux kernel):

---1
Just yesterday Harald announced a new GSM development board he will be working
on with some others:
http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2010/01/07/#20100107-gsm_devel_board-planning
I think this is a very promising project, like Harald says right now he can
only handle people with GSM experience and EE or DSP skills, but if you are one
of them, maybe get in touch with Harald.

---2
gta02-core, which you already know, is mostly stuck right now waiting for
components from Openmoko. I also see it as a project to learn more about
the good and bad of KiCad.
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/log/trunk/gta02-core

---3
Ben NanoNote - the project I currently work on, a very simple zero-RF pocket
computer, we are going in parallel with gta02-core in trying to verify a
design process around KiCad. I think it's important that we figure out a
complete design process using free tools.
http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/board-qi-avt2/timeline/

---4
USRP - well known for a while coming at the RF problem from the GNU Radio angle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USRP

---5
Milkymist (www.milkymist.org), the "fastest open source system-on-chip capable
of running Linux". Somehow I'm dreaming but I think this may become the
basis for GPL'ed application processors in the future, and we can integrate
logic developed by USRP or Harald's new project.  The Milkymist SoC uses a
LatticeMico32 core, and can boot Linux today. Their latest move is the
Milkymist One development board
http://lekernel.net/blog/?p=803

All of these projects are on the lower layers, however, and I doubt this will
lead to another free phone for another few years maybe. If anybody knows more
projects please holler. Also I do know that these things are not really
connected to each other, lots of disorder. But with some imagination you can
see how important pieces of the puzzle are contributed in various places...

For the upper layers, I agree with others that intermediate solutions are
phones like the Palm Pre or Nokia N900, which allow to continue development
of things like FSO or mobile apps while the lower layers are progressing.

No reason to be demotivated, I think! 2010 should be a fun year, and hopefully
the FreeRunner can continue to be a source of inspiration, more than
frustration :-)
Cheers,
Wolfgang

On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 08:35:02PM +0200, Timo Jyrinki wrote:
> 2010/1/4 William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>:
> > Nokia n900 - probably the best choice at this time.
> 
> Probably, but to be more precise "not yet" instead of "at this time".
> It's the only one that seems to have realistic possibility of some day
> having a free distribution running with all features enabled. But it's
> not today, and it remains to be seen how active the community around
> it is.
> 
> I'm personally thinking that in 1-2 years I could have a pure Debian
> (maybe custom kernel) running on N900, with everything except probably
> 3D working. That assumes some people will reverse-engineer the battery
> loading etc. whatever is needed.
> 
> But until then there is simply no choice besides Neo FreeRunner,
> unless something new appears or community around Palm evolves to reach
> the level of free distribution hackers around Maemo and the modem
> stuff is reverse-engineered.
> 
> And even with those, I would have to give up free hardware :S I'd
> really hope for "FreeRunner with 3G and Glamo ripped off, possibly
> newer CPU" some day. For example some company joining gta02-core
> effort to semi-productize something new...
> 
> -Timo
> 
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From ant007h at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 07:00:29 2010
From: ant007h at gmail.com (ANT)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 22:00:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: QtMoko tool chain + PhoneME Advanced
In-Reply-To: <ef378ab31001081148h62910ea1n8660bd019c965140@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef378ab31001081033o2f1411easfdffbd7dda60dea3@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001082022.21405.psonek2@seznam.cz>
	<ef378ab31001081148h62910ea1n8660bd019c965140@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1263016829438-4276530.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hello, Esteban,

Maybe it will be interesting for you to check this project [1][2]. Don't
forget to read comments in the makefiles.

[1] http://github.com/Sektor/phoneme-qtopia
[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3uoK0OGVow

Cheers,
Anton
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From timo.jyrinki at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 08:00:57 2010
From: timo.jyrinki at gmail.com (Timo Jyrinki)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:00:57 +0200
Subject: Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <b66a83e01001081428r1dbff7bcmd8ad76fddc2d5c5d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<68da43e01001081035o79085335na54f085ef6c90322@mail.gmail.com>
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2010/1/9 Warren Baird <wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca>:
>> having a free distribution running with all features enabled. But it's
>
> Depends a bit on how you define 'free'... ? I interact with a phone mostly
> as a user, and possibly as a app developer - so for me if I can run free
> software on it, and I can develop free software for it using free tools,
> it's 'free enough'...

I understand. I meant "free distribution" as a whole, most preferably
Debian without any binary blobs. But, as you define, N900 is
definitely the way to go, not a bad choice by any means and allows to
continue working on the free software ecosystem... and there is even
the possibility of running truly free distributions some day on it. It
might easily take the lifecycle of N900 anyway before something like
FreeRunner again appears.

I'm also recommending N900 to any "normal" person as well.

> I've been using my FR for 1.5 years, as my primary phone for a lot of that
> time(on QtEI and the more recently shr-u), and I must admit I'm getting more
> and more frustrated with it - between the regular crashes and hangs, the
> incredibly slow performance (so slow that I still occasionally miss a call
> because I can't unlock the phone in time to answer it), the horrible GPRS
> performance, and the various idiosyncracies (like the? recent 'feature' to
> progressively dim the screen while I'm trying to use it, inability to
> connect to wifi much of the time, etc.)...

> There have been improvements, but it's been very slow, and IMO we're still a
> *long* way from having a phone with even a half-decent user experience...
> and there is nothing we can do can fix issues like the poor glamo bandwidth,
> and the crappy GPRS performance.

Well first the glamo bandwidth I think just doubled some time ago in
andy-tracking thanks to Thomas White ;) Slow still, and in practice
the benefit is not double, but still nice. Together with the another
30-50% speedup all in all regarding these disabling of debug features
in kernel, I really feel FreeRunner is a lot more usable
performance-wise now than it was ca. 2 months ago. What's incredible
of course that it took so long time to notice those two things. This
is truly a project of obstacles...

But the GPRS is crappy. It works fine (=slow) if I use it on Neo, or
if I browse via Bluetooth from computer with images disabled in
browser, but otherwise it's easy to hang it with multiple connections.
Some people rumor the newest muxers are able to do something about it,
but I'm not sure if they have stress-tested it or only used it on
FreeRunner itself. And anyway - 3G would be nice of course. But I'd
take reliable GPRS gladly as well.

>?When I'm out of the house and need to look
> something up on the web, I borrow my wife's Iphone - I can look up what I
> need before the FR's browser finishes launching, let alone loading the
> google homepage...

I'm using woosh quite successfully for quick web browsing nowadays.
And I just checked that with the new debug-disabled-kernel (see
another thread) Midori isn't too bad either starting up. Of course
it's not iphone or other smartphone-like, but usable.

> Unfortunately, I've been actively looking for a device lately to replace my
> FR - I'm just too fed up with it.

Even though I'm defending FreeRunner, I completely understand you! I
hate these problems myself as well, even though it's also rewarding to
have many of those actually fixed in the long run. Coupled with the
fact that I'm not willing to go for a less free phone (at least
software-wise) yet, I'm staying with FreeRunner. But it is _very_ easy
to understand that people are fed up, even despite the whatever slow
progress has been made.

> And to be blunt, I don't give a damn if the battery loading software isn't
> open...

I could also live with otherwise free Debian if the battery loading
software isn't eg. incompatible with some libraries or something, but
completely self-sustaining. But I think it will be possible to replace
it with a free software alternative, according to some estimates.

Good tinkering with N900!

-Timo


From rusolis at poczta.fm  Sat Jan  9 09:46:11 2010
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:46:11 +0100
Subject: Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <b66a83e01001081428r1dbff7bcmd8ad76fddc2d5c5d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<68da43e01001081035o79085335na54f085ef6c90322@mail.gmail.com>
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2010/1/8 Warren Baird <wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca>

> There have been improvements, but it's been very slow, and IMO we're still
> a *long* way from having a phone with even a half-decent user experience...
> and there is nothing we can do can fix issues like the poor glamo bandwidth,
> and the crappy GPRS performance.  When I'm out of the house and need to look
> something up on the web, I borrow my wife's Iphone - I can look up what I
> need before the FR's browser finishes launching, let alone loading the
> google homepage...
>
>
It sounds like you haven't spent enough time configuring your FR.

First thing I do when I reflash SHR is get rid of enlightenment, install
Icewm, install Links2, literki, and this thing is like a speed devil. Links2
is faster on the FR than Firefox on my laptop. You have dillo too, but it
probably still doesn't support ssl.

The only thing that still doesn't work perfectly for me is wifi.
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From madhatter at teaparty.net  Sat Jan  9 12:06:06 2010
From: madhatter at teaparty.net (Tom Yates)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:06:06 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: hands-free kit
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1001091102510.12227@anni>

does anyone out there supply just the handsfree kit that comes with the 
stock openmoko (two earpieces, integral mic with cut-off switch and 
four-connector 2.5mm jack)?  or does anyone have a suggestion for 
known-equivalent equipment, preferably for supply in france?

my sister would very much like to order one, having tried mine with her 
new DECT phone, and she lives outside paris.


-- 

   Tom Yates  -  http://www.teaparty.net


From noe2999 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 12:09:40 2010
From: noe2999 at gmail.com (Noel)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:09:40 +0200
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc81001080900t797e8e83o4e4c110037551128@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<bc2d57b41001041008m29e084d2n3ee47b9a179b5d7d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262647828.25671.0.camel@bunyip.localdomain>
	<c4cd0cc81001060828r3b0a56a1l21356842b7a73d4b@mail.gmail.com>
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On 1/8/10, Laszlo KREKACS <laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com> wrote:
> So Im back to my waiting position. In a year or so, my decision will be
> crystal-clear;-)

Just don't hold your breath :)
In one year you will have more devices to choose from.
Do you remember when there was only iPhone and Neo? :) You know the
past, you see the present, you see the trend. Isn't the future
obvious?


From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Sat Jan  9 12:44:36 2010
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-1?q?R=FCb?=)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:44:36 +0100
Subject: fake nmea device
Message-ID: <201001091244.36607.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

Hi

as I am still debugging my Qt dbus problem I installed DSO packages from [1] on my local Debian box.
But I do not have a real GPS and no blueetooth. So, is there a way to fake a GPS device (something like cat'ing a NMEA log to a FIFO) to trick frameworkd?

Thanks for your help.

Cheers,
 Christian


From noe2999 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 12:54:50 2010
From: noe2999 at gmail.com (Noel)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:54:50 +0200
Subject: Some questions about TangoGPS
In-Reply-To: <4B4707D4.4020408@altern.org>
References: <267bb6671001080031n5aa9ad1cif4d98789e2767698@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4707D4.4020408@altern.org>
Message-ID: <b9fba49c1001090354m352b15cfm8bc95c55a58e7027@mail.gmail.com>

I'm the only one who sees the **big** advantage of navit over
tangogps, as being able to work **offline**, with very-easy-to-get
maps? You said that tango is "very fast and very efficient at
displaying your position". What's the use if the position is displayed
on an empty map?

On 1/8/10, KaZeR <kazer at altern.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Le 08/01/2010 09:31, dehqan65 a ?crit :
>
>> 2 - In which issues Tangogps is better than Navit ?
> IMO, they both serve different purposes.
>
> Tango use raster maps. It's very fast and very efficient at displaying
> your position and/or track on a raster map.
>
> Navit use vector maps. Maps are drawn in realtime, which makes it a bit
> slower. But this allows routing and turn by turn directions.


From ml at vdm-design.de  Sat Jan  9 12:56:24 2010
From: ml at vdm-design.de (Thomas Zimmermann)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:56:24 +0100
Subject: fake nmea device
In-Reply-To: <201001091244.36607.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
References: <201001091244.36607.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <201001091256.24382.ml@vdm-design.de>

Am Samstag 09 Januar 2010 12:44:36 schrieb Christian R?b:
> Hi
> 
> as I am still debugging my Qt dbus problem I installed DSO packages from
>  [1] on my local Debian box. But I do not have a real GPS and no
>  blueetooth. So, is there a way to fake a GPS device (something like
>  cat'ing a NMEA log to a FIFO) to trick frameworkd?
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Cheers,
>  Christian

What about gpsfake[1].? Should be part of gpsd-clients in debian.

Thomas


[1] http://gpsd.berlios.de/gpsfake.html


From higleylh at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 12:58:38 2010
From: higleylh at gmail.com (Lowell Higley)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:58:38 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <e8b0b2471001090358i2e2f569fw4efca29d139f3155@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:12 AM, William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>wrote:

> What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there?  I
> want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ...
>
>
Sorry to join the conversation so late but this is my favorite so far as a
FreeRunner replacement.  There should be a public developer release soon.
I'd guess (based on the pricing of the Zii Egg Dev kit) a dev kit would be a
little pricey (US$600 to US$800.)  Although considering an unlocked Nexus
One is US$530... maybe not.  All perspective I suppose.

Zii Trinity <http://www.ziilabs.com/products/platforms/ziitrinity.aspx>
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From elektranox at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 12:59:51 2010
From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:59:51 +0100
Subject: hands-free kit
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1001091102510.12227@anni>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1001091102510.12227@anni>
Message-ID: <20100109115950.GA19923@earth.universe>

On Sat, Jan 09, 2010 at 11:06:06AM +0000, Tom Yates wrote:
> does anyone out there supply just the handsfree kit that comes with the 
> stock openmoko (two earpieces, integral mic with cut-off switch and 
> four-connector 2.5mm jack)?  or does anyone have a suggestion for 
> known-equivalent equipment, preferably for supply in france?
> 
> my sister would very much like to order one, having tried mine with her 
> new DECT phone, and she lives outside paris.

Pulster sells the headset:
http://pulster.de/index.htm?d__omheadset__OpenMoko_Headset994.htm

-- Sebastian
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From elektranox at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 13:12:14 2010
From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:12:14 +0100
Subject: Some questions about TangoGPS
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Hi,

Did you ever think of using libchamplain [1] for the map view? I think
both projects would benefit from it. You could bring some tangogps
stuff into the library and benefit from some stuff which is in
libchamplain and not in tangogps.

But the real benefits would come once the GSoC project [2] is merged
into libchamplain: Rendering the tiles directly from osm files
yourself.

[1] http://projects.gnome.org/libchamplain/
[2] http://foregroundnoise.wordpress.com/2009/08/19/gsoc-09-final-report/

-- Sebastian
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From lehner at edv-buero-lehner.de  Sat Jan  9 13:25:38 2010
From: lehner at edv-buero-lehner.de (Alexander Lehner)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:25:38 +0100 (CET)
Subject: fake nmea device
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References: <201001091244.36607.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.00.1001091321450.4230@localhost.localdomain>



On Sat, 9 Jan 2010, Christian R?b wrote:

> Hi
>
> as I am still debugging my Qt dbus problem I installed DSO packages from [1] on my local Debian box.
> But I do not have a real GPS and no blueetooth. So, is there a way to fake a GPS device (something like cat'ing a NMEA log to a FIFO) to trick frameworkd?


Maybe:

freerunner>opkg install gps-utils

debianhost> mkfifo pipe
debianhost> ssh root at freerunner gpspipe -r > pipe


Alex.

From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Sat Jan  9 13:56:54 2010
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:56:54 +0200
Subject: Fwd: dfu_download error -110
In-Reply-To: <20100108230638.GJ2553@home.pavel.comp>
References: <3494db261001060907m64258ea1j831bce14270adb5a@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 1:06 AM, Paul Fertser <fercerpav at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 10:29:31PM +0200, Tony Berth wrote:
> >   Tony Berth <[2]tonyberth at googlemail.com> writes:
> >   >     Tony Berth <[3]tonyberth at googlemail.com> writes:
> >   >     > when I tried to flash my FR with the latest SHR and after the
> kernel
> >   >     > was successfully installed, I got (somewhere in the middle of
> the
> >   >     > process):
> >   >     >
> >   >     > dfu_download error -110
> >   >
> >   >     It's usually suggested to try another usb-cable/port/no hub etc.
> Also
> >   >     make sure you flash to the correct nand partition.
> >   >
> >   > how can I be sure that I flash the correct nand partition?
> >
> >   _to_ the correct nand partition, i.e. when flashing rootfs you should
> >   use -a rootfs dfu-util switch. Other than that, it still worth trying
> >   to check another cable/port even if other devices work ok. Have you
> >   already checked the meaning of the error btw?
> >
> > I'll try to get another cable.
> >
> > Yes, I use flag '-a' for rootfs but didn't find the meaning of that
> error!
> > That's my problem too!
>
> Looks like it's directly what usb_control_msg returns and it means
> ETIMEDOUT
> obviously.


so this means that the connection just times out?

Thanks

Tony

>
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From fercerpav at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 13:58:14 2010
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:58:14 +0300
Subject: [SHR-U] Wifi?
In-Reply-To: <4B423B80.8050709@videotron.ca> (Iain B. FIndleton's message of
	"Mon\, 04 Jan 2010 14\:03\:28 -0500")
References: <4B423B80.8050709@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <m2wrzr5tax.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

"Iain B. FIndleton" <ifindleton at videotron.ca> writes:
> Anybody actually have reliable bluetooth and/or wifi working on the 
> SHR-U using the .29 kernel from last December?

Yes, bluetooth networking just worked for me. Please refer to
[1]. Unfortunately, pidof trick doesnt't work anymore with the latest
bluez4 releases so one needs to use:

"After bluetooth is powered on and bluetoothd is started one should do

export BTADAPTER=`dbus-send --system --dest=org.bluez --print-reply / \
org.bluez.Manager.DefaultAdapter | tail -1 | sed 's/^.*"\(.*\)".*$/\1/'`

And then in all instructions instead of /org/bluez/`pidof bluetoothd`/hci0

one should use $BTADAPTER. The panu script should be altered too
obviously."

(sorry, i haven't put it on the wiki yet :( )

[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth
-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com


From fercerpav at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 14:06:44 2010
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:06:44 +0300
Subject: hands-free kit
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1001091102510.12227@anni> (Tom Yates's message
	of "Sat\, 9 Jan 2010 11\:06\:06 +0000 \(GMT\)")
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1001091102510.12227@anni>
Message-ID: <m2skaf5swr.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

Tom Yates <madhatter at teaparty.net> writes:
> does anyone out there supply just the handsfree kit that comes with the 
> stock openmoko (two earpieces, integral mic with cut-off switch and 
> four-connector 2.5mm jack)?

Beware, with wired headset mic you'll most probably get a serious buzz
problem on any device, no matter if buzz-fixed or not.

-- 
Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com


From vanous at penguin.cz  Sat Jan  9 14:23:48 2010
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:23:48 +0100
Subject: hands-free kit
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1001091102510.12227@anni>
	<m2skaf5swr.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <20100109142348.338436c4@vanek.robe.cz>

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:06:44 +0300
Paul Fertser <fercerpav at gmail.com> (PF) wrote:

>Tom Yates <madhatter at teaparty.net> writes:
>> does anyone out there supply just the handsfree kit that comes with
>> the stock openmoko (two earpieces, integral mic with cut-off switch
>> and four-connector 2.5mm jack)?
>
>Beware, with wired headset mic you'll most probably get a serious buzz
>problem on any device, no matter if buzz-fixed or not.
>
>-- 
>Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html)
>software! mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com


i think he wants to use the handsfree kit for a DECT phone. i would
suggest to get a proper DECT wired h-f kit, the wires will be much
sturdier then the fr h-f.

btw. i don't use the wired kit much now but had not suffered any buzz
with it

petr




From marco at marcochapeau.org  Sat Jan  9 15:36:06 2010
From: marco at marcochapeau.org (Marc-Olivier Barre)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:36:06 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <e8b0b2471001090358i2e2f569fw4efca29d139f3155@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<e8b0b2471001090358i2e2f569fw4efca29d139f3155@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37377be5517d1288b007c4c5ac0b55f8@localhost>

On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:58:38 +0100, Lowell Higley <higleylh at gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:12 AM, William Kenworthy
> <billk at iinet.net.au>wrote:
> 
>> What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there?  I
>> want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ...
>>
>>
> Sorry to join the conversation so late but this is my favorite so far as
a
> FreeRunner replacement.  There should be a public developer release
soon.
> I'd guess (based on the pricing of the Zii Egg Dev kit) a dev kit would
be
> a
> little pricey (US$600 to US$800.)  Although considering an unlocked
Nexus
> One is US$530... maybe not.  All perspective I suppose.
> 
> Zii Trinity <http://www.ziilabs.com/products/platforms/ziitrinity.aspx>

Hi,

First mail in a while that even catches my attention ! Thanks for that.

Do you know if they provide open sourced drivers for their hardware ?

Cheers,
-- 
Marc-Olivier Barre
XMPP ID : marco at marcochapeau.org
www.MarcOChapeau.org


From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Sat Jan  9 16:03:11 2010
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-1?q?R=FCb?=)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:03:11 +0100
Subject: fake nmea device
In-Reply-To: <201001091256.24382.ml@vdm-design.de>
References: <201001091244.36607.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<201001091256.24382.ml@vdm-design.de>
Message-ID: <201001091603.11959.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

Am Samstag, 9. Januar 2010 schrieb Thomas Zimmermann:
> Am Samstag 09 Januar 2010 12:44:36 schrieb Christian R?b:
> > Hi
> > 
> > as I am still debugging my Qt dbus problem I installed DSO packages from
> >  [1] on my local Debian box. But I do not have a real GPS and no
> >  blueetooth. So, is there a way to fake a GPS device (something like
> >  cat'ing a NMEA log to a FIFO) to trick frameworkd?
> > 
> > Thanks for your help.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> >  Christian
> 
> What about gpsfake[1].? Should be part of gpsd-clients in debian.
> 
> Thomas
> 
> 
> [1] http://gpsd.berlios.de/gpsfake.html

Thanks, I tried it but it starts a gpsd and I have found no way to tell frameworkd from gpsd.

What I need is something that writes to a (pseudo) serial line that I frameworkd could read from.


From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Sat Jan  9 16:18:29 2010
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-1?q?R=FCb?=)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:18:29 +0100
Subject: QT and dbus - no such signal
In-Reply-To: <201001081252.14926.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
References: <201001081252.14926.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <201001091618.30203.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

Am Freitag, 8. Januar 2010 schrieb Christian R?b:
> Hi,
> 
> I am about to write my own little GPS application in Qt and try to connect to FixStatusChanged signal from Gypsy but have the following problem
> 
> Code snippet:
> ...
> deviceInterface = new QDBusInterface("org.freedesktop.Gypsy", "/org/freedesktop/Gypsy/default", "org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device", QDBusConnection::systemBus(),this);
> ...
> connect(deviceInterface, SIGNAL(FixStatusChanged(int)), this, SIGNAL(fixChanged(int)));
> 
> I want to pass the signal on to use it somewhere else in my application...
> 
> now when starting my application I get:
> 
> Object::connect: No such signal org::freedesktop::Gypsy::Device::FixStatusChanged(int)
> 
> but  mdbus -s org.freedesktop.Gypsy /org/freedesktop/Gypsy
> lists:
> [SIGNAL]    org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device.FixStatusChanged( i:fixstatus )
> 
> Do you have any idea what is going wrong?
> 
> You can find the full code here:
> 
> http://git.senfdax.de/?p=qgpslog;a=blob;f=src/gypsy.cpp;h=27014f72b3705c6439e10d9130c8c03f8cd9bfdf;hb=HEAD
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Cheers,
>  Christian

Sorry for replying to myself, but after installing fso on my laptop and starting my application there the signal connection DOES work. So I guess it's related with Qt on my Freerunner...

I tested it with GPS Dummy device and received the FixStatusChanged signal. Also dbusviewer showed objects paths and signals/methods there.

I built Qt4 for SHR-unstable with SHR Makefile, Qt 4.5.2.

Does anyone have a Qt version running on SHR where connection signals DOES work?

Thanks,
 Christian


From nicola.mfb at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 16:30:04 2010
From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:30:04 +0100
Subject: [shr-t] Contacts crash upon startup
In-Reply-To: <1261424183.6465.2.camel@razor>
References: <1260458619.2880.41.camel@razor>
	<20607da10912120039g7b255f67pf2e7ad401a0666a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<1260662795.2928.8.camel@razor> <1261424183.6465.2.camel@razor>
Message-ID: <359c5481001090730y2532b8c6k8ba4b2338131a265@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Bernhard Reiter <ockham at raz.or.at> wrote:
> sorry for nagging, but is there any chance to solve this? i was really
> looking forward to opimd, but right now, it's completely unusable to me
> because of this issue. what kind of debug data can i provide? of course,
> i'd rather not post my full contacts list here -- is there any other way
> to track this down?
>
> regards
> bernhard

Same issues here, is it pisi or opimd related?

     Niko


From nicola.mfb at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 16:44:05 2010
From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:44:05 +0100
Subject: QT and dbus - no such signal
In-Reply-To: <201001091618.30203.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
References: <201001081252.14926.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<201001091618.30203.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <359c5481001090744y74b06a9dwbf2e295834a73d4c@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Christian R?b <christian.rueb at gmx.net> wrote:
[...]
> I built Qt4 for SHR-unstable with SHR Makefile, Qt 4.5.2.
>
> Does anyone have a Qt version running on SHR where connection signals DOES work?

Just a shot in the dark.
Building Qt on shr some time ago (but already on the shr/merge branch)
resulted in unstable behaviour, I had to replace -Os with -O2 as
suggested from a gentle guy having the same issue on gentoo.
I reported that on oe.dev, but do not know if it was applyed, and
above all if it's related to your problem.
Anyway I'm using a lot dbus with qt and got no problem, cannot help
much with QDBusInterface, I use QDBusConnection::connect directly.
Finally you may use QMetaObject to retrieve the full list of signals
exported by the QDBusInterface, this may help in debugging.

Regards

     Niko


From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Sat Jan  9 17:28:26 2010
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-1?q?R=FCb?=)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 17:28:26 +0100
Subject: QT and dbus - no such signal
In-Reply-To: <359c5481001090744y74b06a9dwbf2e295834a73d4c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201001081252.14926.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<201001091618.30203.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<359c5481001090744y74b06a9dwbf2e295834a73d4c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001091728.27392.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

> [...]
> > I built Qt4 for SHR-unstable with SHR Makefile, Qt 4.5.2.
> >
> > Does anyone have a Qt version running on SHR where connection signals DOES work?
> 
> Just a shot in the dark.
> Building Qt on shr some time ago (but already on the shr/merge branch)
> resulted in unstable behaviour, I had to replace -Os with -O2 as
> suggested from a gentle guy having the same issue on gentoo.
> I reported that on oe.dev, but do not know if it was applyed, and
> above all if it's related to your problem.
> Anyway I'm using a lot dbus with qt and got no problem, cannot help
> much with QDBusInterface, I use QDBusConnection::connect directly.
> Finally you may use QMetaObject to retrieve the full list of signals
> exported by the QDBusInterface, this may help in debugging.
> 
> Regards
> 
>      Niko

Thanks for this. Where exactly did you change it? I grepped 'Os' and 'O2' in openembedded/recipes/qt4/* but found neither.
-O seems no to be set in CFLAGS under qt4/

Cheers,
 Christian



From nicola.mfb at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 17:39:08 2010
From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 17:39:08 +0100
Subject: QT and dbus - no such signal
In-Reply-To: <201001091728.27392.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
References: <201001081252.14926.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<201001091618.30203.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<359c5481001090744y74b06a9dwbf2e295834a73d4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001091728.27392.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <359c5481001090839p7558e25bkf6b2af627c7c59e@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Christian R?b <christian.rueb at gmx.net> wrote:
[...]
> Thanks for this. Where exactly did you change it? I grepped 'Os' and 'O2' in openembedded/recipes/qt4/* but found neither.
> -O seems no to be set in CFLAGS under qt4/

I do not know if this is the right way, just digged in bitbake sources
and added to local.conf the line:

FULL_OPTIMIZATION_pn-qt4-x11-free = "-fexpensive-optimizations
-fomit-frame-pointer -frename-registers -O2"

      Niko


From tonyberth at googlemail.com  Sat Jan  9 17:51:38 2010
From: tonyberth at googlemail.com (Tony Berth)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 18:51:38 +0200
Subject: Fwd: dfu_download error -110
In-Reply-To: <20100108230638.GJ2553@home.pavel.comp>
References: <3494db261001060907m64258ea1j831bce14270adb5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3494db261001080101h20a51ad9t50705c64738b1f02@mail.gmail.com>
	<m28wc87rxf.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<3494db261001081026h1d6353f5w435b71e9203e18a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<m21vi076ou.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
	<3494db261001081229x28fc0343hc07773141c188ade@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100108230638.GJ2553@home.pavel.comp>
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On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 1:06 AM, Paul Fertser <fercerpav at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 10:29:31PM +0200, Tony Berth wrote:
> >   Tony Berth <[2]tonyberth at googlemail.com> writes:
> >   >     Tony Berth <[3]tonyberth at googlemail.com> writes:
> >   >     > when I tried to flash my FR with the latest SHR and after the
> kernel
> >   >     > was successfully installed, I got (somewhere in the middle of
> the
> >   >     > process):
> >   >     >
> >   >     > dfu_download error -110
> >   >
> >   >     It's usually suggested to try another usb-cable/port/no hub etc.
> Also
> >   >     make sure you flash to the correct nand partition.
> >   >
> >   > how can I be sure that I flash the correct nand partition?
> >
> >   _to_ the correct nand partition, i.e. when flashing rootfs you should
> >   use -a rootfs dfu-util switch. Other than that, it still worth trying
> >   to check another cable/port even if other devices work ok. Have you
> >   already checked the meaning of the error btw?
> >
> > I'll try to get another cable.
> >
> > Yes, I use flag '-a' for rootfs but didn't find the meaning of that
> error!
> > That's my problem too!
>
> Looks like it's directly what usb_control_msg returns and it means
> ETIMEDOUT
> obviously.


I did give another try (didn't change the cable yet!) and FR showed
following messages on the screen:

undefined instruction
pc : [<0000016c>]
lr: [<33f81f10>]
sp : 33ed8928
ip : 0000
fp : ffffffff
r10 : 00000000
r9 : 0000
r8 : 33edbfdc
r7 : 00000000
r6 : 0000
r5 : 33fd4f80
r4 : 00000000
r3 : 73fd4f8c
r2 : 5400
r1 : ffffffed
r0 : 00000000
Flags: nzcv IRQs on Mode SUC_32

Thanks

Tony
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From deubeuliou at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 18:28:49 2010
From: deubeuliou at gmail.com (David Wagner)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:28:49 +0100
Subject: Hackable:1 rev5
In-Reply-To: <4B474052.9020207@yahoo.it>
References: <mailman.5560.1241800342.15778.community@lists.openmoko.org>
	<4B474052.9020207@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <4B48BCD1.5050309@gmail.com>

giacomo `giotti` mariani a ?crit :
> Hello everyone,
> first of all I like to thank you for this excellent distro.

Hi
Thanks for using it :)

> 
> I had a couple of problems (with only one solution):
> -I can't boot regular rev5 from uSD (the process hangs up at something
> like 95% and stays there forever) so I have to use  the developer
> version (which works well;-));

Does the user image boot from the flash ?

> -when I
> 
>  #apt-get update
> 
> I see that pkg-fso-keyring is expired, but giving
> 
> #wget http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pkg-fso-keyring/pkg-fso-keyring_2009.09.12_all.deb
> #dpkg -i pkg-fso-keyring_2009.09.12_all.deb
> #rm pkg-fso-keyring_2009.09.12_all.deb
> 
> all works right!

noted, thanks.

David

> 
> Hope it can bu use-full to someone.
> 
> bye bye




From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Sat Jan  9 19:58:06 2010
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 19:58:06 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <201001082328.28968.psonek2@seznam.cz>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001082328.28968.psonek2@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <201001091958.06042.psonek2@seznam.cz>

Radek Polak wrote:

> Here are mine numbers on QtMoko:
> 
> kernel size:
> old: 1 833 952
> new: 1 660 364
> 
> boot time
> old: 1min 58s
> new: 1min 30s

Btw if someone wants to try here is new kernel with modules:

http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/download/experimental/

Regards

Radek


From rusolis at poczta.fm  Sat Jan  9 20:15:56 2010
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 20:15:56 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <201001091958.06042.psonek2@seznam.cz>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001082328.28968.psonek2@seznam.cz>
	<201001091958.06042.psonek2@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <8b48b1571001091115x5aeadd1ciba8c3acb4115a65d@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/9 Radek Polak <psonek2 at seznam.cz>

> Btw if someone wants to try here is new kernel with modules:
>
> http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/download/experimental/
>
>
>
Is this going to work with SHR or only with Qtmoko?
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From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Sat Jan  9 20:24:09 2010
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-15?q?R=FCb?=)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 20:24:09 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <8b48b1571001091115x5aeadd1ciba8c3acb4115a65d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001091958.06042.psonek2@seznam.cz>
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Message-ID: <201001092024.10325.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

Am Samstag, 9. Januar 2010 schrieb Michal Brzozowski:
> 2010/1/9 Radek Polak <psonek2 at seznam.cz>
> 
> > Btw if someone wants to try here is new kernel with modules:
> >
> > http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/download/experimental/
> >
> >
> >
> Is this going to work with SHR or only with Qtmoko?
> 
I used the kernel from first post by Timo and just booted successfully my SHR with it :)
in less time though ...


From Quakeman1 at gmx.net  Sat Jan  9 20:47:45 2010
From: Quakeman1 at gmx.net (Fox Mulder)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 20:47:45 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <201001091958.06042.psonek2@seznam.cz>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>	<201001082328.28968.psonek2@seznam.cz>
	<201001091958.06042.psonek2@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <4B48DD61.2020605@gmx.net>

Radek Polak wrote:
> Btw if someone wants to try here is new kernel with modules:
> 
> http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/download/experimental/

I see in your supplied config that you still have
CONFIG_MTD_NAND_VERIFY_WRITE=y which was found to be a slowdown in write
performance. In latest andy-tracking kernel it is disabled. So i'm right
now compiling latest andy tracking with your config and nand write
verify disabled. I'm curious if this is really faster than my last
normal andy-tracking kernel with none of these optimizations. :)

Ciao,
     Rainer


From dehqan65 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 21:37:28 2010
From: dehqan65 at gmail.com (dehqan65)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:07:28 +0330
Subject: Some questions about TangoGPS
In-Reply-To: <20100108221950.406b83e2@acer>
References: <267bb6671001080031n5aa9ad1cif4d98789e2767698@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100108092027.GA29345@merkur.sol.de>
	<d0da135f1001080535q784ece1ar7bd378e7e9114bb9@mail.gmail.com>
	<26fea52c1001080554y5c58a824tbd694d9c1f3522f3@mail.gmail.com>
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In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful

hello;

Marcus thanks , Is it possible for you to get permission from Google ?


> > 2 - How to download a part of earth (city/country) maps with zoom
> > level 15 (500/1000 meter height) ?
>
> Zoom to the area you need and click on the map. Choose the last entry
> in the pop-up menu and follow the instructions.
>

For example how to zoom on Iran country and get whole country map until
height of 500m (about zoom level 15)?
Is the way you mentioned able to do that for a country ?

Regards dehqan
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From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Sat Jan  9 23:30:58 2010
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 23:30:58 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <8b48b1571001091115x5aeadd1ciba8c3acb4115a65d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001091958.06042.psonek2@seznam.cz>
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Message-ID: <201001092330.58854.psonek2@seznam.cz>

Michal Brzozowski wrote:

> Is this going to work with SHR or only with Qtmoko?
> 

Yes, it should.

Regards

Radek


From mail at freelock.com  Sat Jan  9 23:31:44 2010
From: mail at freelock.com (John Locke)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:31:44 -0800
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <c4cd0cc81001080900t797e8e83o4e4c110037551128@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>	<bc2d57b41001041008m29e084d2n3ee47b9a179b5d7d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262647828.25671.0.camel@bunyip.localdomain>	<c4cd0cc81001060828r3b0a56a1l21356842b7a73d4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<1262819657.2920.23.camel@opal>	<c4cd0cc81001072339w3d067d2et40d592fde487e0f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<49dd78621001080210o7186fd53u899bf61ae622bb88@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4B4903D0.4030901@freelock.com>

Hi,

Haven't been reading the list much in a long time... I have a Neo, which
I never could use as a day-to-day phone, due to battery life. Now I've
got an N900, just wanted to comment on this:

From: Laszlo KREKACS <laszlo.krekacs.list at gmail.com>

> I also doubt if it runs smoothly on a weaker device (processor-wise). Today
> on the train I saw a guy with nokia N900. He was reading some texts on it.
> Oh dear, the scrolling was awesomely laggish. As an openmoko user I
> know a bit about laggish scrolling;-) It is really sad such a highend
> device still suffers from it. (not as bad as openmoko though)
>
>   
I find that very much depends on what applications you have running, and
I'm wondering if there's a memory leak in the browser. There seems to be
a browser daemon that uses a lot of processor even when it's not
running--but after killing all the browser windows, it gets responsive
again for a while.

So some of the time it's really responsive, but now and then it gets
really bogged down... killing stuff brings it back. I think most of the
laggishness is completely related to applications, and something that
can be fixed--if I keep the number of open apps down to around 6 or so,
it's usually just fine. I do find myself rebooting it once or twice a
week, which does clear up some of these issues.

> An iphone had never such problem, and it has a weaker hardware...
>   
That's because you can't run multiple apps on it!

I wrote up an initial review on the n900 here:
http://www.freelock.com/blog/john-locke/3/nokia-n900-first-impressions
... already most of the things I identified as shortcomings are no
longer issues, either because there's now applications for it, or there
was a feature I didn't know about (such as a browser mode that allows
for mouseover, select, and drag-and-drop).

In short, after having it for a month, I'm really happy with it. Now to
find a gpsd package so TangoGPS can figure out where I am...

Cheers,

John Locke
http://www.freelock.com

-



From wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca  Sat Jan  9 23:50:11 2010
From: wjbaird at alumni.uwaterloo.ca (Warren Baird)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 17:50:11 -0500
Subject: Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <20100109032128.GA4728@debian>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<68da43e01001081035o79085335na54f085ef6c90322@mail.gmail.com>
	<b66a83e01001081428r1dbff7bcmd8ad76fddc2d5c5d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100109032128.GA4728@debian>
Message-ID: <b66a83e01001091450p59315326la021068940df33f0@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:21 PM, Wolfgang Spraul <wolfgang at sharism.cc>wrote:

>
> Just want to say thanks for writing this up!
> It's tough, but I think you pretty much sum up the experience of a lof of
> people. It's the best that we could achieve (I worked for Openmoko before).
>

I understand - I hope I didn't sound too accusatory...   I don't think it's
anyone's fault, and in fact I'm very impressed at the improvements that have
been made.   In my more optimistic moments, I think the FR might at least
become a usable phone  with limited smartphone capabilities in the near
future...

Sounds like a plan.
> We all want a 100% free phone, but we gain nothing from building on sand.
> So with the FreeRunner in the state it is, I think development will
> fragment
> for a while, until it comes together again in a new attempt at a 100% free
> phone one day. Until then, if the hardware is not stable you cannot do
> kernel
> development, if the kernel is not stable you cannot do middleware, if
> middleware is not stable you cannot do apps.
> Doing it all at the same time like with the FreeRunner lead to what you
> described above.
>

Yeah, I think that's a lot of the problem...  when you combine unstable HW
with unstable kernel, it's very hard to build a solid phone stack...   but I
don't think that the work going on now is wasted - it's (slowly) converging
towards a pretty good phone stack, and I think once there's a good candidate
for decent hardware with a reasonable kernel, it'll be quite impressive.



-- 
Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist
http://www.synergisticimages.ca
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From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Sun Jan 10 00:11:24 2010
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:11:24 +0100
Subject: [debian] shr: phonefsod and dbus
Message-ID: <op.u6af09fy41evsb@ginguppin>

hi,
just installed the phoneui-apps and phonefsod -- but phonefsod seems to  
have some problem:

[phonefsod] WARNING: Unable to register service: Connection ":1.14" is not  
allowed to own the service

is shr still using root as default user?


From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Sun Jan 10 01:08:02 2010
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:08:02 +0100
Subject: [debian] after today's update: frameworkd segfaults
Message-ID: <op.u6ainoyh41evsb@ginguppin>

hi,
for an hour or so i run an update and after the reboot (just to make a  
clean start), frameworkd segfaults.
even with DEBUG the log only shows (last lines)

2010.01.10 00:47:16.729 opimd                INFO     Registered backend  
SIM-Contacts-FSO
2010.01.10 00:47:16.739 opimd                INFO     Registered backend  
SIM-Messages-FSO
2010.01.10 00:47:16.749 opimd                INFO     Registered backend  
CSV-Contacts
2010.01.10 00:47:16.778 opimd                INFO     Registered backend  
SQLite-Calls
2010.01.10 00:47:16.804 opimd                INFO     Registered backend  
SQLite-Dates
2010.01.10 00:47:16.829 opimd                INFO     Registered backend  
SQLite-Notes
2010.01.10 00:47:16.855 opimd                INFO     Registered backend  
SQLite-Tasks
2010.01.10 00:47:16.864 opimd                INFO     Registered backend  
ogsmd-Calls
2010.01.10 00:47:16.913 opimd                DEBUG    loading entries for  
backend SQLite-Contacts
2010.01.10 00:47:16.960 opimd                DEBUG    loading entries for  
backend SQLite-Messages

and starting directly only prints

debian-gta02:~# frameworkd
init
init
init
Segmentation fault

here's the list of all updated/installed packages, maybe it helps:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   1221 Jan  9 22:37 /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc-bin.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   8174 Jan  9 22:38 /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   1057 Jan  9 22:39  
/var/lib/dpkg/info/x11-common.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    272 Jan  9 22:39  
/var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-common.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    664 Jan  9 23:22  
/var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   1770 Jan  9 23:22  
/var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg-core.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    674 Jan  9 23:22  
/var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg-input-evdev.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    578 Jan  9 23:24  
/var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg-input-tslib.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   7710 Jan  9 23:28 /var/lib/dpkg/info/dpkg.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  21312 Jan  9 23:30 /var/lib/dpkg/info/locales.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    915 Jan  9 23:30  
/var/lib/dpkg/info/reportbug.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   1284 Jan  9 23:30  
/var/lib/dpkg/info/python-reportbug.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    267 Jan  9 23:30 /var/lib/dpkg/info/cpp.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    425 Jan  9 23:30  
/var/lib/dpkg/info/libgirepository1.0-0.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    261 Jan  9 23:30 /var/lib/dpkg/info/liblcms1.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    230 Jan  9 23:30 /var/lib/dpkg/info/libxext6.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    218 Jan  9 23:30 /var/lib/dpkg/info/libxi6.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    254 Jan  9 23:30  
/var/lib/dpkg/info/libxinerama1.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    224 Jan  9 23:30 /var/lib/dpkg/info/libxss1.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    230 Jan  9 23:30 /var/lib/dpkg/info/libxtst6.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    254 Jan  9 23:30  
/var/lib/dpkg/info/libxxf86dga1.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    248 Jan  9 23:30  
/var/lib/dpkg/info/libxxf86vm1.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    251 Jan  9 23:30 /var/lib/dpkg/info/xinput.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    341 Jan  9 23:30  
/var/lib/dpkg/info/libphone-utils0.list


From itman at gmx.net  Sun Jan 10 02:14:10 2010
From: itman at gmx.net (DRSp.)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 02:14:10 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] how to get rid off mail-count on homescreen
Message-ID: <4B4929E2.3000208@gmx.net>

Just switched for testing purpose to QtMoko.

I've downloaded a large number of emails, deleted them and emptied the 
trash.

But evidently not entirely, 'cos i do see a message count on my 
home-screen. How do i get rid off this?

cheers

DRSp.


From madhatter at teaparty.net  Sun Jan 10 08:00:29 2010
From: madhatter at teaparty.net (Tom Yates)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 07:00:29 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: hands-free kit
In-Reply-To: <20100109115950.GA19923@earth.universe>
References: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1001091102510.12227@anni>
	<20100109115950.GA19923@earth.universe>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1001100700070.2928@anni>

thanks to all who replied for both the pointer and the advice!  i'll pass 
them all on.

-- 

   Tom Yates  -  http://www.teaparty.net


From higleylh at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 10:23:05 2010
From: higleylh at gmail.com (Lowell Higley)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:23:05 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <37377be5517d1288b007c4c5ac0b55f8@localhost>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
	<e8b0b2471001090358i2e2f569fw4efca29d139f3155@mail.gmail.com>
	<37377be5517d1288b007c4c5ac0b55f8@localhost>
Message-ID: <e8b0b2471001100123u1467e05p634fba9beedd95d3@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Marc-Olivier Barre
<marco at marcochapeau.org>wrote:

> On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:58:38 +0100, Lowell Higley <higleylh at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:12 AM, William Kenworthy
> > <billk at iinet.net.au>wrote:
> >
> >> What alternatives to the FR (with the same functionality) are there?  I
> >> want 3G phone/sms access and the FR doesnt cut it any more ...
> >>
> >>
> > Sorry to join the conversation so late but this is my favorite so far as
> a
> > FreeRunner replacement.  There should be a public developer release soon.
> > I'd guess (based on the pricing of the Zii Egg Dev kit) a dev kit would
> be a
> > little pricey (US$600 to US$800.)  Although considering an unlocked Nexus
> > One is US$530... maybe not.  All perspective I suppose.
> >
> > Zii Trinity <http://www.ziilabs.com/products/platforms/ziitrinity.aspx>
>
> Hi,
>
> First mail in a while that even catches my attention ! Thanks for that.
>
> Do you know if they provide open sourced drivers for their hardware ?
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Marc-Olivier Barre
> XMPP ID : marco at marcochapeau.org
> www.MarcOChapeau.org
> _______________________________________________
>

No problem.  This came to me over identi.ca and my jaw dropped the more
reading I did.

I don't have a real answer for you.  I've been trying to get into the dev
forums but they have some .asp issues with their site. But here is my best
guess. ZiiLabs is a wholly owned subsidary of Creative Labs. If I read their
propaganda correctly, they will support both android and their own version
of linux, plaszma.  It looks like they will provide tweaked versions of
android, drivers and middleware to the dev community.  So I would say that
no, the device drivers will not be open source.  I would say the developer
community would be provided with binary kernel modules. My best guess but
the official answer would have to come from ZiiLabs.  I'm also guessing a
dev NDA would be involved.  On the other side of the coin, engadget, gizmodo
and most of the gadget news sites keep speaking of the device as Open
Source... so you never know.

They seem to be actively looking for OEMs for this phone.  Perhaps one of
our FR distributors could inquire?  I'm considering dropping $400 on the Zii
Egg dev kit just to start playing with it.  I'd rather have the Trinity but
I am not sure how long that will take.
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From rusolis at poczta.fm  Sun Jan 10 10:41:05 2010
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:05 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b48b1571001100141v704399dblbdb75912a30aeed8@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/8 Timo Jyrinki <timo.jyrinki at gmail.com>

> Hi,
>
> Just FYI to the community list, as slowness has been one of the
> biggest problems with Neo. Quite nice speedups are coming:
>
>
Wow, this is big. Literki is like 3x faster
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From cchandel at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 10:50:50 2010
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:50:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: elementary webkit browser
Message-ID: <1263117050115-4280656.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,
  Well, I was experimenting with webview in order to embed widgets in
launcher - and so ended up making a browser (like eve) but using elementary
and with finger scrolling.
  I'm hoping someone can help me use an edje file for layout - my edje
knowledge isn't all that great. I'm looking at getting the lower button /
url bar (cum progressbar) as an edje widget. I'm open to ideas - if people
aren't tired of giving some :)
  I was looking at a semi-transparent button in the lower left corner of the
browser that indicates % progress as the page gets loaded. On clicking the
button - a menu comes up that provides all the other functions - bookmarks,
zooming etc. Maybe the back and fwd button can be here - or use some
gestures on the main screen.
  I'll add the patch to eve to get finger scrolling soon.

  Here is the code (not yet on a repository) and the .bb file for those
interested. Works on latest shr-u.

http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4280656/browser.tar.bz2 browser.tar.bz2 
http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4280656/browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk 
http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4280656/browser.bb browser.bb 

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From vanous at penguin.cz  Sun Jan 10 11:26:49 2010
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:26:49 +0100
Subject: elementary webkit browser
References: <1263117050115-4280656.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <20100110112649.01349075@vanek.robe.cz>

>  Here is the code (not yet on a repository) and the .bb file for those
>interested. Works on latest shr-u.
>
>http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4280656/browser.tar.bz2 browser.tar.bz2 
>http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4280656/browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk


sorry i cannot help with the edje... the browser feels fast (as eve)
but finger scrolling is great! i already have a great usage for it!

two questions while you are still working on it: 

- would one be able to embed it also through python
bingings?

- could it have command line parameter for url?

thank you for your great work!

Petr



From ole-om-community-2008 at mail.plastictree.net  Sun Jan 10 13:23:17 2010
From: ole-om-community-2008 at mail.plastictree.net (Ole Kliemann)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:23:17 +0000
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100110122317.GA3590@telvanni.starfleet>

On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 08:23:00PM +0200, Timo Jyrinki wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Just FYI to the community list, as slowness has been one of the
> biggest problems with Neo. Quite nice speedups are coming:

This is the single most incredible speedup so far! Big thanks to anyone
involved!

I'm running shr-testing with neo-theme and at resolution 240x320. Even
scrolling the contact list etc. is quite smooth now. And the interface
is as responsive as it has never been before.
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From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 11:46:22 2010
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:46:22 +0100
Subject: [debian] shr: phonefsod and dbus
In-Reply-To: <op.u6af09fy41evsb@ginguppin>
References: <op.u6af09fy41evsb@ginguppin>
Message-ID: <c30e08171001100246w1f85d288w596296d5b5152aa3@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/10/10, arne anka <openmoko at ginguppin.de> wrote:
> hi,
> just installed the phoneui-apps and phonefsod -- but phonefsod seems to
> have some problem:
>
> [phonefsod] WARNING: Unable to register service: Connection ":1.14" is not
> allowed to own the service
>
> is shr still using root as default user?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>

phonefsod should be started as root IIRC (and it should do that by
default with init script). That's phoneuid which starts as user under
X.
-- 
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
dos


From baba_melone at yahoo.de  Sun Jan 10 12:32:20 2010
From: baba_melone at yahoo.de (hab keen oh ne)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:32:20 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: AW: elementary webkit browser
In-Reply-To: <1263117050115-4280656.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1263117050115-4280656.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <184730.27185.qm@web26303.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi,
I'd also appreciate an Android-like Textbox input method, i.e. a great text box should be shown whereas the rest of the page vanishes. What I hate about midori is the fact that with toolbar and keyboard sometimes the textbox vanishes, while eve supports no finger scrolling. Im looking forward to your work!
Greetings,
Martin.




________________________________
Von: c_c <cchandel at yahoo.com>
An: community at lists.openmoko.org
Gesendet: Sonntag, den 10. Januar 2010, 10:50:50 Uhr
Betreff: elementary webkit browser


Hi,
  Well, I was experimenting with webview in order to embed widgets in
launcher - and so ended up making a browser (like eve) but using elementary
and with finger scrolling.
  I'm hoping someone can help me use an edje file for layout - my edje
knowledge isn't all that great. I'm looking at getting the lower button /
url bar (cum progressbar) as an edje widget. I'm open to ideas - if people
aren't tired of giving some :)
  I was looking at a semi-transparent button in the lower left corner of the
browser that indicates % progress as the page gets loaded. On clicking the
button - a menu comes up that provides all the other functions - bookmarks,
zooming etc. Maybe the back and fwd button can be here - or use some
gestures on the main screen.
  I'll add the patch to eve to get finger scrolling soon.

  Here is the code (not yet on a repository) and the .bb file for those
interested. Works on latest shr-u.

http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4280656/browser.tar.bz2 browser.tar.bz2 
http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4280656/browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk 
http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4280656/browser.bb browser.bb 

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From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Sun Jan 10 12:39:23 2010
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:39:23 +0100
Subject: [debian] shr: phonefsod and dbus
In-Reply-To: <c30e08171001100246w1f85d288w596296d5b5152aa3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <op.u6af09fy41evsb@ginguppin>
	<c30e08171001100246w1f85d288w596296d5b5152aa3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.u6benvi341evsb@eeeginguppin>

> phonefsod should be started as root IIRC (and it should do that by
> default with init script).


that's, what the error was from.
in the included system.d/ file i changed user="default" to  
context="default" and the issue went away.

but since after the last upgrade of my debian, frameworkd now segfaults, i  
was unable to investigate further.


From elektranox at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 13:21:27 2010
From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:21:27 +0100
Subject: [debian] shr: phonefsod and dbus
In-Reply-To: <op.u6benvi341evsb@eeeginguppin>
References: <op.u6af09fy41evsb@ginguppin>
	<c30e08171001100246w1f85d288w596296d5b5152aa3@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u6benvi341evsb@eeeginguppin>
Message-ID: <20100110122126.GB3411@earth.universe>

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:39:23PM +0100, arne anka wrote:
> > phonefsod should be started as root IIRC (and it should do that by
> > default with init script).
> 
> that's, what the error was from.
> in the included system.d/ file i changed user="default" to  
> context="default" and the issue went away.

Yes, that's my mistake. This will be fixed in the next package.

-- Sebastian
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From denis.johnson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 13:59:01 2010
From: denis.johnson at gmail.com (Denis Johnson)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:59:01 +1000
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20607da11001100459v339dc700veb518e086da8b085@mail.gmail.com>

Good work,

Do I only need the .bin or the config and modules also. I have tried
just the .bin using qtMoko v16 image and it boots quite quickly to qt
ui then cycles to black screen with blinking cursor then after some
time back to qt screen then back to black screen. etc

cheers Denis

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 4:23 AM, Timo Jyrinki <timo.jyrinki at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just FYI to the community list, as slowness has been one of the
> biggest problems with Neo. Quite nice speedups are coming:
>
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2010-January/010811.html
> (performance testing by Gennady Kupava)
>
> Apparently, and unfortunately, no-one had really questioned Om Inc:s
> (who mainly did the kernel work back in the days of the still mostly
> used 2.6.29) choices of kernel configuration. Disabling kernel debug
> features and pre-empt has resulted eg. these kind of improvements
> (from IRC, #openmoko-fi):
> - boot time 68.5% of original
> - "apt-cache search nano" 20s -> 14.8s
> - "emacs -f kill-emacs" 3.8s -> 2.2s
>
> These configuration changes are not yet in andy-tracking (the 2.6.29
> kernel still being used in most distros), I don't know what's the
> situation in the new om-2.6.32 branch. Together with the quite recent
> commit from Thomas White that doubled theoretical glamo speeds (in
> practice at least 20% in general), I feel that Neo FreeRunner is not
> anymore "terribly slow", but only "slow" by today's standards, which
> is quite an improvement. Especially after having been used to the
> "terribly slow" general behavior ;)
>
> Please tell if some distro happened to have those disabled already,
> and if someone knew about these speedups via the options already - and
> please arrange a commit to git.openmoko.org next time! Anyway, this
> all goes to show that in a project with limited resources like
> Openmoko, especially now that it's completely in the hands of the
> community when it comes to Neo FreeRunner development, you have to
> have the courage to question anything "suspicious" etc. you are
> seeing, not trusting that someone has actually optimized something to
> the extent assumed.
>
> If you want to have a quick grab of the new kernel for Debian (or any
> distro that loads uImage from a file), I put my compilation of kernel
> and modules to http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/moko/kernel_20100108_nodebug_nopreempt/
>
> -Timo, wishing everyone a speedier new year
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From thomas.hocedez at free.fr  Sun Jan 10 14:05:17 2010
From: thomas.hocedez at free.fr (Thomas Hocedez)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:05:17 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <20100110122317.GA3590@telvanni.starfleet>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100110122317.GA3590@telvanni.starfleet>
Message-ID: <4B49D08D.4010202@free.fr>

Ole Kliemann wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 08:23:00PM +0200, Timo Jyrinki wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just FYI to the community list, as slowness has been one of the
>> biggest problems with Neo. Quite nice speedups are coming:
>>     
>
> This is the single most incredible speedup so far! Big thanks to anyone
> involved!
>
> I'm running shr-testing with neo-theme and at resolution 240x320. Even
> scrolling the contact list etc. is quite smooth now. And the interface
> is as responsive as it has never been before.
>   
Great improvements : I used the same kernel for SHRu (01/06) and 
H:1rev5, both were dramatically improved !

@/ole : How did you managed to change the resolution ?
/


From ole-om-community-2008 at mail.plastictree.net  Sun Jan 10 16:22:32 2010
From: ole-om-community-2008 at mail.plastictree.net (ole-om-community-2008 at mail.plastictree.net)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:22:32 +0000
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <4B49D08D.4010202@free.fr>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100110122317.GA3590@telvanni.starfleet>
	<4B49D08D.4010202@free.fr>
Message-ID: <20100110152232.GB3590@telvanni.starfleet>

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 02:05:17PM +0100, Thomas Hocedez wrote:
> @/ole : How did you managed to change the resolution ?

I have in /etc/fb.modes:

	mode "240x320"
		geometry 240 320 240 320 16
		timings 100000 8 88 2 2 8 2
	endmode

Now stop the Xserver. Do:

$ echo "qvga-normal" > /sys/bus/spi/devices/spi2.0/state
$ fbset 240x320

Then start the Xserver again. This doesn't work with every kernel as
some have WSOD-issues with fbset. But it works with the one posted
above. 

You should then make some scaling tweaks. In illume settings under
Look->Scaling disable scaling by dpi. You can go to the advanced
settings and set a custom scaling factor of 1.2 times or so. I also have
in /etc/profile.d/elementary.sh:

	export ELM_SCALE=1.2
	export ELM_FINGER_SIZE=35

Restarting Xserver then might be required.

There are a lot of problems still with the lower resolution. The first
is that my timings seem to be not 100% correct. There are some
horizontal stripes and artifacts.

If I have some time, I'll make a post stating a list of problems in
scaling and general appearance with 240x320. Maybe someone with more
insight into the field of themes, etc. can give some tips then. I'm more
the user-type. ;-)
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From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Sun Jan 10 15:10:31 2010
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:10:31 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <20607da11001100459v339dc700veb518e086da8b085@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20607da11001100459v339dc700veb518e086da8b085@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001101510.31704.psonek2@seznam.cz>

Denis Johnson wrote:

> Do I only need the .bin or the config and modules also. I have tried
> just the .bin using qtMoko v16 image and it boots quite quickly to qt
> ui then cycles to black screen with blinking cursor then after some
> time back to qt screen then back to black screen. etc

You need to unpack modules for newer kernel first.

ssh root at neo
cd /
wget http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/download/experimental/modules-
v17.tar.gz
tar xzvpf modules-v17.tar.gz

then you can power off and flash uImage-v17 and it should work.

Regards

Radek


From michael_zanetti at gmx.net  Sun Jan 10 15:12:41 2010
From: michael_zanetti at gmx.net (Michael Zanetti)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:12:41 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <20607da11001100459v339dc700veb518e086da8b085@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20607da11001100459v339dc700veb518e086da8b085@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001101512.47098.michael_zanetti@gmx.net>

On Sunday 10 January 2010 13:59:01 Denis Johnson wrote:
> Good work,
> 
> Do I only need the .bin or the config and modules also. I have tried
> just the .bin using qtMoko v16 image and it boots quite quickly to qt
> ui then cycles to black screen with blinking cursor then after some
> time back to qt screen then back to black screen. etc
> 

I guess this is because you are missing the modules and QtE cannot start up 
its daemons correctly.

Try to ssh into your fr and unpack the modules on /. AFAIK you don't need the 
config.

Michael
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From vendion at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 15:13:43 2010
From: vendion at gmail.com (Adam Jimerson)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:13:43 -0500
Subject: elementary webkit browser
In-Reply-To: <20100110112649.01349075@vanek.robe.cz>
References: <1263117050115-4280656.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100110112649.01349075@vanek.robe.cz>
Message-ID: <201001100913.49878.vendion@charter.net>

On Sunday 10 January 2010 05:26:49 am Petr Vanek wrote:
> >  Here is the code (not yet on a repository) and the .bb file for those
> >interested. Works on latest shr-u.
> >
> >http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4280656/browser.tar.bz2 browser.tar.bz2
> >http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4280656/browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
> 
> sorry i cannot help with the edje... the browser feels fast (as eve)
> but finger scrolling is great! i already have a great usage for it!
> 
> two questions while you are still working on it:
> 
> - would one be able to embed it also through python
> bingings?
> 
> - could it have command line parameter for url?
> 
> thank you for your great work!
> 
> Petr
> 

Question how did you install it?  When I use the ipk I get this 

root at om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install 
http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4280656/browser_1.0-r0
.4_armv4t.ipk
Downloading http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4280656/browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
Installing browser (1.0-r0.4) to root...
Installing libewebkit0 
(1.1.11+gitr38213+3a5ee77664c898ed51a2b2d5759822f8c0a06472-r1.4) to 
root...
Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-
unstable/ipk//armv4t/libewebkit0_1.1.11+gitr38213+3a5ee77664c898ed51a2b2d5759822f8c0a06472-
r1.4_armv4t.ipk
Collected errors:
 * Package libewebkit0 wants to install file 
/usr/share/webkit-1.0/resources/error.html
        But that file is already provided by package  * libwebkit-1.0-2
 * Cannot find package browser.
-- 
"We must plan for freedom, and not only for security, if for no other reason 
than only freedom can make security more secure."  Karl Popper
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From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Sun Jan 10 15:52:15 2010
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-1?q?R=FCb?=)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:52:15 +0100
Subject: QT and dbus - no such signal
In-Reply-To: <359c5481001090839p7558e25bkf6b2af627c7c59e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201001081252.14926.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<201001091728.27392.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<359c5481001090839p7558e25bkf6b2af627c7c59e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001101552.15749.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

> [...]
> > Thanks for this. Where exactly did you change it? I grepped 'Os' and 'O2' in openembedded/recipes/qt4/* but found neither.
> > -O seems no to be set in CFLAGS under qt4/
> 
> I do not know if this is the right way, just digged in bitbake sources
> and added to local.conf the line:
> 
> FULL_OPTIMIZATION_pn-qt4-x11-free = "-fexpensive-optimizations
> -fomit-frame-pointer -frename-registers -O2"
> 
>       Niko

Hi Niko!

Thanks a lot, that did it! I wonder why it is not integrated by default though.

...definition and registration of FSOResourceStatus struct ...

I also try to connect to the ResourceChanged signal from ousaged which has a more complex signature and it reports that signal would not exist.
I use the following code to display all signals/methods on ousaged interface:
	usageInterface = new QDBusInterface("org.freesmartphone.ousaged", "/org/freesmartphone/Usage", "org.freesmartphone.Usage", QDBusConnection::systemBus(), this);
	if(usageInterface->isValid()) {
		const QMetaObject* metaObject = usageInterface->metaObject();
		qDebug() << "\norg.freesmartphone.Usage methods:";
		for(int i = metaObject->methodOffset(); i < metaObject->methodCount(); ++i)
			qDebug() << QString::fromLatin1(metaObject->method(i).signature()) << "[" << (metaObject->method(i).methodType()==1?"signal":"method") << "]";
		connect(usageInterface, SIGNAL(ResourceChanged(FSOResourceStatus)), this, SLOT(handleStatusChange(FSOResourceStatus)));
	}

output is:

org.freesmartphone.Usage methods:
"GetResourcePolicy(QString)" [ method ]
"GetResourceState(QString)" [ method ]
"GetResourceUsers(QString)" [ method ]
"ListResources()" [ method ]
"Reboot()" [ method ]
"RegisterResource(QString,QDBusObjectPath)" [ method ]
"ReleaseResource(QString)" [ method ]
"RequestResource(QString)" [ method ]
"ResourceAvailable(QString,bool)" [ signal ]
"SetResourcePolicy(QString,QString)" [ method ]
"Shutdown()" [ method ]
"Suspend()" [ method ]
"SystemAction(QString)" [ signal ]
"UnregisterResource(QString)" [ method ]
"initResources()" [ method ]
Object::connect: No such signal org::freesmartphone::Usage::ResourceChanged(FSOResourceStatus)

As you can see, the ResourceChanged signal is not listed (neither on my FR nor on my PC), but with qdbusviewer I can connect to it and receive the signal:

Received signal from :1.17, path /org/freesmartphone/Usage, interface org.freesmartphone.Usage, member ResourceChanged
  Arguments: "GPS", true, [Argument: a{sv} {"policy" = [Variant(QString): "auto"], "refcount" = [Variant(int): 1]}]

Any ideas how I can investigate further?

Thanks.

Christian


From kazer at altern.org  Sun Jan 10 16:09:28 2010
From: kazer at altern.org (KaZeR)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:09:28 +0100
Subject: Some questions about TangoGPS
In-Reply-To: <b9fba49c1001090354m352b15cfm8bc95c55a58e7027@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6671001080031n5aa9ad1cif4d98789e2767698@mail.gmail.com>	<4B4707D4.4020408@altern.org>
	<b9fba49c1001090354m352b15cfm8bc95c55a58e7027@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B49EDA8.5060504@altern.org>

Le 09/01/2010 12:54, Noel a ?crit :
> I'm the only one who sees the **big** advantage of navit over
> tangogps, as being able to work **offline**, with very-easy-to-get
> maps? You said that tango is "very fast and very efficient at
> displaying your position". What's the use if the position is displayed
> on an empty map?
>    

I was only trying to be as objective as possible, given the fact that 
i'm a member of the navit project :)

But i do agree, having the maps on my uSD card has a big advantage, 
should it be when i go to belgium (GPRS would cost me an eye abroad) or 
when in a area with poor signal strenght. And i'm not talking of the 
turn by turn instructions.

On the other hand, Markus gave us a very nice piece of software, kudos 
to him!
> On 1/8/10, KaZeR<kazer at altern.org>  wrote:
>    
>> Hi,
>>
>> Le 08/01/2010 09:31, dehqan65 a ?crit :
>>
>>      
>>> 2 - In which issues Tangogps is better than Navit ?
>>>        
>> IMO, they both serve different purposes.
>>
>> Tango use raster maps. It's very fast and very efficient at displaying
>> your position and/or track on a raster map.
>>
>> Navit use vector maps. Maps are drawn in realtime, which makes it a bit
>> slower. But this allows routing and turn by turn directions.
>>      
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>    




From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Sun Jan 10 16:35:24 2010
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:35:24 +0100
Subject: phonefsod: duplicates frameworkd configurations?
Message-ID: <op.u6bplau141evsb@eeeginguppin>

looking into phonefsod.conf i see, that it duplicates already existing fso  
configuration:
- brighness
- dim
- idle_screen
- suspend

none of the above strikes me as especially particular to the _phone_  
functionality -- in fact, imo they heavily interfere with settings made  
elsewhere in frameworkd.conf or rules.yaml and being applied to the device  
as a whole.

why tries a _phone_ daemon to handle stuff common to the  overall  
functionality?


From ml at vdm-design.de  Sun Jan 10 18:07:50 2010
From: ml at vdm-design.de (Thomas Zimmermann)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:07:50 +0100
Subject: phonefsod: duplicates frameworkd configurations?
In-Reply-To: <op.u6bplau141evsb@eeeginguppin>
References: <op.u6bplau141evsb@eeeginguppin>
Message-ID: <201001101807.50688.ml@vdm-design.de>

Am Sonntag 10 Januar 2010 16:35:24 schrieb arne anka:
> looking into phonefsod.conf i see, that it duplicates already existing fso
> configuration:
> - brighness
> - dim
> - idle_screen
> - suspend
> 
> none of the above strikes me as especially particular to the _phone_
> functionality -- in fact, imo they heavily interfere with settings made
> elsewhere in frameworkd.conf or rules.yaml and being applied to the device
> as a whole.
> 
> why tries a _phone_ daemon to handle stuff common to the  overall
> functionality?

Such questions about SHR apps should be asked on the shr-devel mailinglist, 
because half of the authors of phonefsod aren't reading this ML.

As far as i know phonefsod does these things because FSO doesn't handle it 
correctly. So until it's working correctly in FSO this is done in phonefsod 
too.


From nicola.mfb at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 18:08:16 2010
From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:08:16 +0100
Subject: QT and dbus - no such signal
In-Reply-To: <201001101552.15749.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
References: <201001081252.14926.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<201001091728.27392.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<359c5481001090839p7558e25bkf6b2af627c7c59e@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001101552.15749.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <359c5481001100908r1d233ca1y8ea9b0778ca5c050@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Christian R?b <christian.rueb at gmx.net> wrote:
[...]
> As you can see, the ResourceChanged signal is not listed (neither on my FR nor on my PC), but with qdbusviewer I can connect to it and receive the signal:

It seems the signature is wrong.
In a my working snippet I used (with QDBusConnection::connect):

dbus->connect(OUSAGED_SERVICE,OUSAGED_PATH,OUSAGED_INTERFACE,"ResourceChanged",this,SLOT(resourceChanged(QString,bool,QVariantMap)));

where resourceChanged has the following signature:

void resourceChanged(QString name, bool state, QVariantMap attributes);

Hoping it helps.

     Niko


From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Sun Jan 10 18:19:56 2010
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:19:56 +0100
Subject: phonefsod: duplicates frameworkd configurations?
In-Reply-To: <201001101807.50688.ml@vdm-design.de>
References: <op.u6bplau141evsb@eeeginguppin>
	<201001101807.50688.ml@vdm-design.de>
Message-ID: <op.u6bufhh241evsb@eeeginguppin>

> Such questions about SHR apps should be asked on the shr-devel  
> mailinglist,

sounds good in theory -- in praxis it means to subscribe to yet another  
list just to pose a few question once in a very long while, but getting a  
lot of mails i am not interested in.

> As far as i know phonefsod does these things because FSO doesn't handle  
> it correctly. So until it's working correctly in FSO this is done in  
> phonefsod too.

assuming that enough shr developers are reading this list:
- is the fso default handling disabled then?
- i'd prefer a switch "let phonefsod handle the following stuff [y/n]"



From fabian.schoelzel at googlemail.com  Sun Jan 10 18:44:39 2010
From: fabian.schoelzel at googlemail.com (Fabian =?iso-8859-1?q?Sch=F6lzel?=)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:44:39 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <201001101510.31704.psonek2@seznam.cz>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20607da11001100459v339dc700veb518e086da8b085@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001101510.31704.psonek2@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <201001101844.40036.fabian.schoelzel@googlemail.com>

On Sunday 10. January 2010 15:10:31, Radek Polak Polak wrote:
> You need to unpack modules for newer kernel first.
> 
> ssh root at neo
> cd /
> wget
>  http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/download/experimental/modules-
>  v17.tar.gz
> tar xzvpf modules-v17.tar.gz

Hm... i've done that, but i'm getting the cycles, too. I can't even connect 
through ssh now. Will there be a v17 release soon, or do i have to revert the 
kernel?

(Besides, thank you for your work with qtmoko, Radek!)

Cheers,
Fabian


From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Sun Jan 10 19:30:49 2010
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-1?q?R=FCb?=)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:30:49 +0100
Subject: QT and dbus - no such signal
In-Reply-To: <359c5481001100908r1d233ca1y8ea9b0778ca5c050@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201001081252.14926.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<201001101552.15749.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<359c5481001100908r1d233ca1y8ea9b0778ca5c050@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001101930.50225.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

> [...]
> > As you can see, the ResourceChanged signal is not listed (neither on my FR nor on my PC), but with qdbusviewer I can connect to it and receive the signal:
> 
> It seems the signature is wrong.
> In a my working snippet I used (with QDBusConnection::connect):
> 
> dbus->connect(OUSAGED_SERVICE,OUSAGED_PATH,OUSAGED_INTERFACE,"ResourceChanged",this,SLOT(resourceChanged(QString,bool,QVariantMap)));
> 
> where resourceChanged has the following signature:
> 
> void resourceChanged(QString name, bool state, QVariantMap attributes);
> 
> Hoping it helps.
> 
>      Niko

Thanks. Using QDBusConnection did it. Using this signature (QString,bool,QVariantMap) with my dbus interface does not work though.

My struct (FSOResourceStatus) was defined as QString,bool,Map<QVariant> but did not work.

Nevertheless, using only a connection and no struct but Qt datatypes directly as you stated above does the job. But it still makes me wonder why it does not work with a QDBusInterface...

Cheers,
 Christian


From GNUtoo at no-log.org  Sun Jan 10 19:39:38 2010
From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (GNUtoo)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:39:38 +0100
Subject: tangogps 0.99.1
In-Reply-To: <20100106100106.501fbe45@acer>
References: <20091122143645.46fbea80@acer> <4B41E972.1030700@sapo.pt>
	<20100106100106.501fbe45@acer>
Message-ID: <1263148778.3769.12.camel@gnutoo-desktop>

On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 10:01 +0100, Marcus Bauer wrote:
> > Hi Marcus and all others.
> > Is there a way to remove or make smaller the speed indicator (big 
> > numbers) on tangogps?
> 
> I'll make that configurable in one of the next versions of tangoGPS.
hi,Thanks for making tangogps,
I've also a suggestion, I'd like to be able to configure the speed
limit(so when the speed goes red), because last time I used
tangogps(during the last summer hollidays) When I was in a car the speed
limit was about 50Km/h.That's fine in a city but not on a highway(about
130 Km/h in France)

Denis.



From mok at mnet-online.de  Sun Jan 10 19:56:19 2010
From: mok at mnet-online.de (Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:56:19 +0100
Subject: phonefsod: duplicates frameworkd configurations?
In-Reply-To: <op.u6bplau141evsb@eeeginguppin>
References: <op.u6bplau141evsb@eeeginguppin>
Message-ID: <20100110185619.GA2926@mrdenker.palutemo>

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010, arne anka wrote:

> looking into phonefsod.conf i see, that it duplicates already existing fso  
> configuration:
> - brighness
> - dim
> - idle_screen
> - suspend

> none of the above strikes me as especially particular to the _phone_  
> functionality -- in fact, imo they heavily interfere with settings made  
> elsewhere in frameworkd.conf or rules.yaml and being applied to the device  
> as a whole.

> why tries a _phone_ daemon to handle stuff common to the  overall  
> functionality?

nothing actually duplicated. We are just trying to move away from
oeventsd... so there is stuff that was in rules.yaml (the suspend
handling) - nothing though from frameworkd.conf.

-- 
Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann


From woutersj at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 20:52:36 2010
From: woutersj at gmail.com (Jeroen Wouters)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:52:36 +0100
Subject: Alternatives to FR
In-Reply-To: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
References: <1262567574.11618.167.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <4B4A3004.60808@gmail.com>

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On 4/01/10 02:12, William Kenworthy wrote:
> What others are available NOW?
> 

The Geeksphone One could also be a possibility:
http://www.geeksphone.com/en/moviles/

It has been discussed here before and they are apparently in contact
with people in the openmoko community:
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-November/057762.html

No word yet on how open it exactly is though (AFAIK).

Jeroen
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From rusolis at poczta.fm  Sun Jan 10 21:06:47 2010
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:06:47 +0100
Subject: literki update
In-Reply-To: <8b48b1570912240223h9018719o9a997b526a8be24d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b48b1570912240223h9018719o9a997b526a8be24d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b48b1571001101206j4e77da47s95d7bd6f0ba1fef0@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, here's another version with a few fixes
- page up, page down keys work now
- $ key works now
- can toggle between opaque and transparent mode

If you want to use opaque mode in the landscape resolution, it's probably
wise to change the window size in the config, as it occupies almost the
whole screen by default.

Please test if everything works, because I'm only available until the end of
next week, and then I won't have time to do any fixes.

http://pvtrace.com/~miki150/literki_0.0.2-r6_armv4t.ipk


2009/12/24 Michal Brzozowski <rusolis at poczta.fm>

> Hi,
>
> here you can find the new version of Literki:
> http://pvtrace.com/literki_0.0.2-r5_armv4t.ipk
>
> Changes:
> - fixed vibration
> - fixed some embarasing memory leaks
> - added horizontal and vertical scrolling buttons to the touchpad - they
> simulate mouse wheel scrolling.
>
> Since SHR is using Xorg now, all four scroll buttons work, and the pointer
> seems to be a little bit faster. This should greatly improve web browser
> experience, I hope. You can now use the mouse pointer to click tiny little
> links, and use the scroll buttons instead of scroll bars.
>
> Hope you have fun,
> Michal
>
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From nicola.mfb at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 23:44:17 2010
From: nicola.mfb at gmail.com (Nicola Mfb)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:44:17 +0100
Subject: QT and dbus - no such signal
In-Reply-To: <201001101930.50225.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
References: <201001081252.14926.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<201001101552.15749.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<359c5481001100908r1d233ca1y8ea9b0778ca5c050@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001101930.50225.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <359c5481001101444o5cce63fre9645ebfbe400d79@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Christian R?b <christian.rueb at gmx.net> wrote:
[...]
> Nevertheless, using only a connection and no struct but Qt datatypes directly as you stated above does the job. But it still makes me wonder why it does not work with a QDBusInterface...

It may be that the qdbusinterface constructor has problem in parsing
the dbus signature to autocreate the right slot, but it looks strange
to me too, as the three types should be natively supported by qtdbus
module, should ask on the qt-interest list.

     Niko


From denis.johnson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 01:01:15 2010
From: denis.johnson at gmail.com (Denis Johnson)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:01:15 +1000
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <20607da11001100459v339dc700veb518e086da8b085@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20607da11001100459v339dc700veb518e086da8b085@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20607da11001101601y615ee2cexd7d284d60838c493@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to Radek, I indeed also needed to download an untar the modules.

All good, great work.

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Denis Johnson <denis.johnson at gmail.com> wrote:
> Good work,
>
> Do I only need the .bin or the config and modules also. I have tried
> just the .bin using qtMoko v16 image and it boots quite quickly to qt
> ui then cycles to black screen with blinking cursor then after some
> time back to qt screen then back to black screen. etc
>
> cheers Denis
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 4:23 AM, Timo Jyrinki <timo.jyrinki at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just FYI to the community list, as slowness has been one of the
>> biggest problems with Neo. Quite nice speedups are coming:
>>
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2010-January/010811.html
>> (performance testing by Gennady Kupava)
>>
>> Apparently, and unfortunately, no-one had really questioned Om Inc:s
>> (who mainly did the kernel work back in the days of the still mostly
>> used 2.6.29) choices of kernel configuration. Disabling kernel debug
>> features and pre-empt has resulted eg. these kind of improvements
>> (from IRC, #openmoko-fi):
>> - boot time 68.5% of original
>> - "apt-cache search nano" 20s -> 14.8s
>> - "emacs -f kill-emacs" 3.8s -> 2.2s
>>
>> These configuration changes are not yet in andy-tracking (the 2.6.29
>> kernel still being used in most distros), I don't know what's the
>> situation in the new om-2.6.32 branch. Together with the quite recent
>> commit from Thomas White that doubled theoretical glamo speeds (in
>> practice at least 20% in general), I feel that Neo FreeRunner is not
>> anymore "terribly slow", but only "slow" by today's standards, which
>> is quite an improvement. Especially after having been used to the
>> "terribly slow" general behavior ;)
>>
>> Please tell if some distro happened to have those disabled already,
>> and if someone knew about these speedups via the options already - and
>> please arrange a commit to git.openmoko.org next time! Anyway, this
>> all goes to show that in a project with limited resources like
>> Openmoko, especially now that it's completely in the hands of the
>> community when it comes to Neo FreeRunner development, you have to
>> have the courage to question anything "suspicious" etc. you are
>> seeing, not trusting that someone has actually optimized something to
>> the extent assumed.
>>
>> If you want to have a quick grab of the new kernel for Debian (or any
>> distro that loads uImage from a file), I put my compilation of kernel
>> and modules to http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/moko/kernel_20100108_nodebug_nopreempt/
>>
>> -Timo, wishing everyone a speedier new year
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>


From robin.paulson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 03:43:14 2010
From: robin.paulson at gmail.com (Robin Paulson)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:43:14 +1300
Subject: tangogps 0.99.1
In-Reply-To: <1263148778.3769.12.camel@gnutoo-desktop>
References: <20091122143645.46fbea80@acer> <4B41E972.1030700@sapo.pt>
	<20100106100106.501fbe45@acer>
	<1263148778.3769.12.camel@gnutoo-desktop>
Message-ID: <2f3aa2771001101843mfa4f031rd15f002e88135f04@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/11 GNUtoo <GNUtoo at no-log.org>:
>> I'll make that configurable in one of the next versions of tangoGPS.
> hi,Thanks for making tangogps,
> I've also a suggestion, I'd like to be able to configure the speed
> limit(so when the speed goes red), because last time I used
> tangogps(during the last summer hollidays) When I was in a car the speed
> limit was about 50Km/h.That's fine in a city but not on a highway(about
> 130 Km/h in France)

perhaps multi-coloured would be useful?

green or black of it's under the urban limit (configurable), orange if
it's over the urban limit but under the motorway limit (also
configurable), and red if it's over the motorway limit


From cchandel at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 05:22:55 2010
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:22:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: elementary webkit browser
In-Reply-To: <201001100913.49878.vendion@charter.net>
References: <1263117050115-4280656.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100110112649.01349075@vanek.robe.cz>
	<201001100913.49878.vendion@charter.net>
Message-ID: <1263183775362-4283768.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,

vendion wrote:
> 
> Question how did you install it?  When I use the ipk I get this 
> 
> root at om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install 
> http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4280656/browser_1.0-r0
> .4_armv4t.ipk
> Downloading http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4280656/browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
> Installing browser (1.0-r0.4) to root...
> Installing libewebkit0 
> (1.1.11+gitr38213+3a5ee77664c898ed51a2b2d5759822f8c0a06472-r1.4) to 
> root...
> Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-
> unstable/ipk//armv4t/libewebkit0_1.1.11+gitr38213+3a5ee77664c898ed51a2b2d5759822f8c0a06472-
> r1.4_armv4t.ipk
> Collected errors:
>  * Package libewebkit0 wants to install file 
> /usr/share/webkit-1.0/resources/error.html
>         But that file is already provided by package  * libwebkit-1.0-2
>  * Cannot find package browser.
> 

   Try opkg install http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4280656/browser_1.0-r0
.4_armv4t.ipk --force-overwrite

  libewebkit and webkit have a few common files. 
HTH

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From m.labrousse_list at bcmd.fr  Mon Jan 11 08:50:53 2010
From: m.labrousse_list at bcmd.fr (Mickael Labrousse)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:50:53 +0100
Subject: QT and dbus - no such signal
In-Reply-To: <359c5481001101444o5cce63fre9645ebfbe400d79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201001081252.14926.christian.rueb@gmx.net>	<201001101552.15749.christian.rueb@gmx.net>	<359c5481001100908r1d233ca1y8ea9b0778ca5c050@mail.gmail.com>	<201001101930.50225.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<359c5481001101444o5cce63fre9645ebfbe400d79@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4AD85D.7070905@bcmd.fr>

I'm late but I have both QtExtended 4.4.3 and QtEmbedded 4.5 on shr 
running a program using QtDBus.


Mickael.

Nicola Mfb a ?crit :
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Christian R?b <christian.rueb at gmx.net> wrote:
> [...]
>   
>> Nevertheless, using only a connection and no struct but Qt datatypes directly as you stated above does the job. But it still makes me wonder why it does not work with a QDBusInterface...
>>     
>
> It may be that the qdbusinterface constructor has problem in parsing
> the dbus signature to autocreate the right slot, but it looks strange
> to me too, as the three types should be natively supported by qtdbus
> module, should ask on the qt-interest list.
>
>      Niko
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>   


From vaudano at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 09:16:05 2010
From: vaudano at gmail.com (Vaudano Luca)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:16:05 +0100
Subject: Babiloo 0.4
In-Reply-To: <8b48b1570912310724l273be438va3ccc1773d4308e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8d66d190912010321n21164d9oab6f78408a0bf861@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b48b1570912310724l273be438va3ccc1773d4308e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e8d66d191001110016k6c4778adn661434d796d18353@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
thanks!
Sorry but for the moment I don't have any plan for implementing the
multi dictionaries capability.
By the way, my next objective is to re-code the program in C for
improving the overall performance. After this, maybe I will look at
this feature.

Ciao
Luca


From ghislain at basetrend.nl  Mon Jan 11 09:34:52 2010
From: ghislain at basetrend.nl (ghislain)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:34:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [qtmoko] New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
Message-ID: <1263198892150-4284388.post@n2.nabble.com>


I've created a new installer-image for QtMoko V16B, it can be downloaded
here:  http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qtm16b QtMoko V16B .
This are the changes:

- Kernel without debugging options (overall speedup)
- TangoGPS to V0.99.2
- Latest patch from Radek (mmap & mmap64) (solves segfault in webviewer /
arora)

Ghislain
http://www.basetrend.nl/ BaseTrend  -  http://www.openmobile.nl
openmobile.nl 



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From yoric-k at yandex.ru  Mon Jan 11 09:56:01 2010
From: yoric-k at yandex.ru (Yoric Kotchukov)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:56:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: QtMoko v16
In-Reply-To: <52893.1390.1907-24760-1893106464-1261754481@seznam.cz>
References: <200912211438.47147.psonek2@seznam.cz>
	<1261496318970-4204131.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<200912231151.57917.psonek2@seznam.cz>
	<1261642280081-4212373.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1261645989.3916.7.camel@a6xx-one>
	<52893.1390.1907-24760-1893106464-1261754481@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <1263200161126-4284441.post@n2.nabble.com>


I join ghislain, but I have again and again does not accept the changes (not
returned to the previous menu level) in the settings, sometimes returns.
Also, sometimes you can not select the item in the settings / applications
(there is "Add to favorites").
Does not function correctly "uptime" in the terminal (strongly
underestimates the time).
And the question: how can remove the keyboard from the cycle of change one
of them?


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From giacomomariani at yahoo.it  Mon Jan 11 11:14:59 2010
From: giacomomariani at yahoo.it (giacomo `giotti` mariani)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:14:59 +0100
Subject: Hackable:1 rev5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3465.1263076438.14033.community@lists.openmoko.org>
References: <mailman.3465.1263076438.14033.community@lists.openmoko.org>
Message-ID: <4B4AFA23.1020507@yahoo.it>


>> I had a couple of problems (with only one solution):
>> -I can't boot regular rev5 from uSD (the process hangs up at something
>> like 95% and stays there forever) so I have to use  the developer
>> version (which works well;-));
>>     
>
> Does the user image boot from the flash ?
>
>   
> [...]
>
> David
>   

Hi David,

I've never tried it and I won't, I'm sorry:  my daily phone distribution
(a QtExtended with some upgrade and "Progress 12: script
<http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qtmoko_install.sh>" by Franky) is
there and I need it as it is...
Anyway I'm helpful for testing on the uSD, just tell me.

Another "problem": I tried linphone from the repos (apt-get install
linphone, after de-installing aptitude, task and some tex* to fix
missing dependencies), but noticed it was an old release, 2.x.x IIRC (I
added the sid repository and upgraded linphone, but now I've some
problem as a presumed... lol).
Do you have some suggestion about using the VoIP with Hackable:1?
 
Thank you
Giacomo


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From deubeuliou at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 11:41:10 2010
From: deubeuliou at gmail.com (David Wagner)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:41:10 +0100
Subject: Hackable:1 rev5
In-Reply-To: <4B4AFA23.1020507@yahoo.it>
References: <mailman.3465.1263076438.14033.community@lists.openmoko.org>
	<4B4AFA23.1020507@yahoo.it>
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giacomo `giotti` mariani a ?crit :
>>> I had a couple of problems (with only one solution):
>>> -I can't boot regular rev5 from uSD (the process hangs up at something
>>> like 95% and stays there forever) so I have to use  the developer
>>> version (which works well;-));
>>>     
>> Does the user image boot from the flash ?
>>
>>   
>> [...]
>>
>> David
>>   
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> I've never tried it and I won't, I'm sorry:  my daily phone distribution
> (a QtExtended with some upgrade and "Progress 12: script
> <http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qtmoko_install.sh>" by Franky) is
> there and I need it as it is...
> Anyway I'm helpful for testing on the uSD, just tell me.
> 
> Another "problem": I tried linphone from the repos (apt-get install
> linphone, after de-installing aptitude, task and some tex* to fix
> missing dependencies), but noticed it was an old release, 2.x.x IIRC (I
> added the sid repository and upgraded linphone, but now I've some
> problem as a presumed... lol).
> Do you have some suggestion about using the VoIP with Hackable:1?

Hi

I haven't tried http://www.sflphone.org/ but it may be worth testing it.

David

>  
> Thank you
> Giacomo
> 
> 



From ml at vdm-design.de  Mon Jan 11 13:09:17 2010
From: ml at vdm-design.de (Thomas Zimmermann)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:09:17 +0100
Subject: Bluetooth PBAP support for FSO
In-Reply-To: <4B43A745.5010502@gmx.com>
References: <200912231831.14883.ml@vdm-design.de>
	<201001041146.23842.ml@vdm-design.de> <4B43A745.5010502@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <201001111309.17147.ml@vdm-design.de>

Am Dienstag 05 Januar 2010 21:55:33 schrieb Thomas Franck:
> On 01/04/2010 11:46 AM, Thomas Zimmermann wrote:
> > http://downloads.vdm-design.de/obexd_0.20-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
> 
> downloaded and installed that..
> 
> > But i think sth more is needed. We need an bluetooth agent that knows
> > about obexd. Perhaps simple-agent does.
> 
> I used simple-agent before (see the thread here:
> http://n2.nabble.com/SHR-unstable-Bluetooth-pairing-with-BMW-Pro-Radio-car-
> handsfree-fails-tp3060247p3060247.html )
> will try when I manage to set everything up.. :)
> 
> > then obexd needs to be started with -p option, the /etc/dbus-1/services
> > config file doesn't do that in my current version, so you have to add
> > that option there.
> 
> I don't even have a obexd.conf in the system.d folder.. :S
> 
> Cheers,
> 

Now i've implented all mehtods avaible in obexd.
And changed the dbus service file.

You can download the package at:
http://downloads.vdm-design.de/obexd_0.20-r1.4_armv4t.ipk

Please try and report the result. I hope it's working but i'm not sure.

Thomas


From deubeuliou at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 14:17:39 2010
From: deubeuliou at gmail.com (David Wagner)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:17:39 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <8b48b1571001091115x5aeadd1ciba8c3acb4115a65d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>	<201001082328.28968.psonek2@seznam.cz>	<201001091958.06042.psonek2@seznam.cz>
	<8b48b1571001091115x5aeadd1ciba8c3acb4115a65d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4B24F3.3080800@gmail.com>

Michal Brzozowski a ?crit :
> 2010/1/9 Radek Polak <psonek2 at seznam.cz <mailto:psonek2 at seznam.cz>>
> 
>     Btw if someone wants to try here is new kernel with modules:
> 
>     http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/download/experimental/
> 
> 
> 
> Is this going to work with SHR or only with Qtmoko?

I tested it with hackable:1 rev5, it works out of the box too.

David

> 
> 
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From topro at gmx.de  Mon Jan 11 16:06:55 2010
From: topro at gmx.de (Tobias Prousa)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:06:55 +0100
Subject: TangoGPS Heart Rate Patch
Message-ID: <20100111150655.24640@gmx.net>

Dear List,

I would like to inform you that I am working on a patch against tangoGPS to support heart rate recording with data provided by a bluetooth heart rate sensor (currently only zephyr hxm, any BT sensor possible if documentation is available). Patch is working already, might still needs some fine tuning.

At the moment I display current HR as map osd the same way speed is done and HR gets recorded to track files as additional parameter per timestamp (only when hrm is enabled in tangogps settings screen - so nothing changes for users without heart rate recording). This could be of great interest for all those free-bikers (like me) and free-runners out there.

I hope Marcus might be interested to integrate that patch into tangoGPS mainline. If you are, I could send some more information and a first version of my patch (currently developed against tangogps 0.99.1)

Kind regards,
Tobi
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From deubeuliou at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 20:27:22 2010
From: deubeuliou at gmail.com (David Wagner)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:27:22 +0100
Subject: New project openmokontrol
In-Reply-To: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B4B7B9A.1010404@gmail.com>

hab keen oh ne a ?crit :
> Hi community,
> I just published a new project called openmokontrol. Im using a TCP/IP connection to any X server to control it with the fr's accelerometers, mainly for games ;). Maybe I will create a video for a short demonstration soon, let's see. It uses the X Test extension to send input events to the connected X server. Try playing Live for Speed (www.lfs.net) with it, its awesome. Here some links:
> http://www.opkg.org/package_322.html
> http://code.google.com/p/openmokontrol/
> http://code.google.com/p/openmokontrol/wiki/Using
> I didn't manage to install the ipk file on my SHR run freerunner, I always get the following error:
> *** glibc detected *** opkg: free(): invalid next size (normal): 0x00ba6500 ***
> Aborted
> I don't get the error when Im installing the package to my toolchain, so I think it is SHR's problem, not the problem of a corrupted ipk file, is that right? If not, Id appreciate hints how to get rid of this error.
> Greetings, Martin.
> 

Hi Martin,

You showed it to me at the 26c3 and we made a debian package of it,
remember ?

I finished it and it will be in hackable:1 daily repos soon.

I'll send you a mail with a patch for a Makefile.


From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Tue Jan 12 00:26:15 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:26:15 +0000
Subject: [debian] minor enhancements
Message-ID: <49dd78621001111526vd7879bbl9e340144f3b17e65@mail.gmail.com>

I recently announced some minor enhancements to zhone,
openmoko-panel-plugin and auxlaunch.  FWIW I've now pushed these to
gitorious:

http://gitorious.org/stuff-for-openmoko-freerunner/debian-usr-bin
and
http://gitorious.org/stuff-for-openmoko-freerunner/debian-usr-share-pyshared

They include a couple further changes since the previous announcements:
- In zhone, keep current SMS selected when returning from the SMS
display screen.
- Following power button press, cut out the unnecessary "really lock
screen" step.

Please feel free to use / incorporate / build on in any way.

Regards,
       Neil


From timo.jyrinki at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 07:09:15 2010
From: timo.jyrinki at gmail.com (Timo Jyrinki)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:09:15 +0200
Subject: [debian] minor enhancements
In-Reply-To: <49dd78621001111526vd7879bbl9e340144f3b17e65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49dd78621001111526vd7879bbl9e340144f3b17e65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68da43e01001112209k301d9bd3vcfc883fd54448f94@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/12 Neil Jerram <neiljerram at googlemail.com>:
> - In zhone, keep current SMS selected when returning from the SMS
> display screen.

You could try to submit that to upstream [1] as well. Since it's demo
UI "only", the upstream isn't developing it much but probably accepts
patches. I've a patch I need that adds support for letters ? and ?
[2], it wouldn't hurt to include that as well.

[1] http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=zhone.git;a=summary
[2] http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/moko/zhone-umlaut2.patch

Then maybe [3] for reading addressbook entries also from a .vcf file
wouldn't hurt those users that are only using SMS contacts. I like the
ability to copy, backup and edit entries directly in a file.

[3] http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/moko/zhone-vcffile.patch

Anyway likewise, feel free to use :)

-Timo


From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Tue Jan 12 08:42:25 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:42:25 +0000
Subject: [debian] minor enhancements
In-Reply-To: <68da43e01001112209k301d9bd3vcfc883fd54448f94@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49dd78621001111526vd7879bbl9e340144f3b17e65@mail.gmail.com>
	<68da43e01001112209k301d9bd3vcfc883fd54448f94@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49dd78621001112342l6d8d1db7u3bb3d90fa4ba1435@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/12 Timo Jyrinki <timo.jyrinki at gmail.com>:
> 2010/1/12 Neil Jerram <neiljerram at googlemail.com>:
>> - In zhone, keep current SMS selected when returning from the SMS
>> display screen.
>
> You could try to submit that to upstream [1] as well.

I regard all of my patches as "submitted upstream", by virtue of
having been announced here.  Is there a specific further step that I
should take to offer and flag them to git.freesmartphone.org ?

> Since it's demo
> UI "only", the upstream isn't developing it much but probably accepts
> patches.

If no one else wants to do it, I would be happy to be responsible for
collating further zhone development.

I know it's always been flagged as only a test UI, and there's that
big and very clear warning at the start of the code.  The problem is
that it's just too good-looking!  I don't know of any prettier phone
UI, and I don't know how to build an equally pretty one from scratch.
Hence I'm quite keen to continue using and developing it.

Can someone from freesmartphone.org comment on possible processes here?

> I've a patch I need that adds support for letters ? and ?
> [2], it wouldn't hurt to include that as well.
>
> [1] http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=zhone.git;a=summary
> [2] http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/moko/zhone-umlaut2.patch
>
> Then maybe [3] for reading addressbook entries also from a .vcf file
> wouldn't hurt those users that are only using SMS contacts. I like the
> ability to copy, backup and edit entries directly in a file.
>
> [3] http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/moko/zhone-vcffile.patch
>
> Anyway likewise, feel free to use :)

Thanks, I will integrate these.  [2] looks easy, but [3] looks like it
will need a tweak to retain the current SIM-backed contacts too.

Regards,
      Neil


From risto at kurppa.fi  Tue Jan 12 09:37:54 2010
From: risto at kurppa.fi (Risto H. Kurppa)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:37:54 +0200
Subject: Opkg.org is BACK!
Message-ID: <d3e504411001120037u66ebbd35l2d30e255539b404a@mail.gmail.com>

Check http://www.opkg.org/posting_6.html

Nice!


r

-- 
| risto h. kurppa
| risto at kurppa dot fi
| http://risto.kurppa.fi


From thomas.franck at gmx.com  Tue Jan 12 09:43:55 2010
From: thomas.franck at gmx.com (Thomas Franck)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:43:55 +0100
Subject: Bluetooth PBAP support for FSO
In-Reply-To: <201001111309.17147.ml@vdm-design.de>
References: <200912231831.14883.ml@vdm-design.de>	<201001041146.23842.ml@vdm-design.de>
	<4B43A745.5010502@gmx.com> <201001111309.17147.ml@vdm-design.de>
Message-ID: <4B4C364B.5010505@gmx.com>

On 11.01.2010 13:09, Thomas Zimmermann wrote:
> You can download the package at:
> http://downloads.vdm-design.de/obexd_0.20-r1.4_armv4t.ipk
> 
> Please try and report the result. I hope it's working but i'm not sure.

I've downloaded and installed that.. unfortunately I've also installed
new SHR-U updates, which is causing a bit of a problem now.. (keeps
telling me about md5 mismatch and refuses to install two vital fso
components)

Will come back as soon as my FR is up and working again and I've had a
chance to test the module..

Cheers & Thanks for your efforts..
-- 
Thomas

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From martin.jansa at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 09:55:16 2010
From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:55:16 +0100
Subject: Bluetooth PBAP support for FSO
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References: <200912231831.14883.ml@vdm-design.de>
	<201001041146.23842.ml@vdm-design.de> <4B43A745.5010502@gmx.com>
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Message-ID: <20100112085516.GW17224@jama>

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 09:43:55AM +0100, Thomas Franck wrote:
> new SHR-U updates, which is causing a bit of a problem now.. (keeps
> telling me about md5 mismatch and refuses to install two vital fso
> components)

still md5 mismatch? should be fixed about 1,5 hour ago

-- 
uin:136542059                jid:Martin.Jansa at gmail.com
Jansa Martin                 sip:jamasip at voip.wengo.fr 
JaMa                         


From denis.johnson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 10:11:15 2010
From: denis.johnson at gmail.com (Denis Johnson)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:11:15 +1000
Subject: New project openmokontrol
In-Reply-To: <359c5481001042113x53341c1xd1afcd65b3b9b340@mail.gmail.com>
References: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<20607da11001042024x6aaa3542td0bf6a0ac2347f3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<359c5481001042113x53341c1xd1afcd65b3b9b340@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20607da11001120111q73aced7csa654412ace175035@mail.gmail.com>

Any idea if it is possible or how I can install this on QTMoko V16 ?

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Nicola Mfb <nicola.mfb at gmail.com> wrote:
> You may try
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NIDE/NIDED
> Regards
> ? ? ?Niko


From david at garabana.com  Tue Jan 12 12:42:45 2010
From: david at garabana.com (David Garabana Barro)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:42:45 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001121242.52176.david@garabana.com>

On Friday 08 January 2010 19:23:00 Timo Jyrinki wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just FYI to the community list, as slowness has been one of the
> biggest problems with Neo. Quite nice speedups are coming:
>
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2010-January/010811.htm
>l (performance testing by Gennady Kupava)

WOW!
Its *REALLY* faster. You can feel it from the very first touch: SHR-Today :)

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From thomas.franck at gmx.com  Tue Jan 12 12:43:28 2010
From: thomas.franck at gmx.com (Thomas Franck)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:43:28 +0100
Subject: Bluetooth PBAP support for FSO
In-Reply-To: <20100112085516.GW17224@jama>
References: <200912231831.14883.ml@vdm-design.de>	<201001041146.23842.ml@vdm-design.de>
	<4B43A745.5010502@gmx.com>	<201001111309.17147.ml@vdm-design.de>
	<4B4C364B.5010505@gmx.com> <20100112085516.GW17224@jama>
Message-ID: <4B4C6060.6080708@gmx.com>

On 12.01.2010 09:55, Martin Jansa wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 09:43:55AM +0100, Thomas Franck wrote:
>> new SHR-U updates, which is causing a bit of a problem now.. (keeps
>> telling me about md5 mismatch and refuses to install two vital fso
>> components)
> 
> still md5 mismatch? should be fixed about 1,5 hour ago

That's fixed.. thanks.. :)
will try connecting to my car in a minute..

Cheers,
-- 
Thomas

-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
Programming is one of the most difficult branches of applied
mathematics; the poorer mathematicians had better remain pure
mathematicians.
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From thomas.hocedez at free.fr  Tue Jan 12 13:51:29 2010
From: thomas.hocedez at free.fr (Thomas HOCEDEZ)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:51:29 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <201001121242.52176.david@garabana.com>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001121242.52176.david@garabana.com>
Message-ID: <4B4C7051.7060605@free.fr>

Le 12/01/2010 12:42, David Garabana Barro a ?crit :
> On Friday 08 January 2010 19:23:00 Timo Jyrinki wrote:
>    
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just FYI to the community list, as slowness has been one of the
>> biggest problems with Neo. Quite nice speedups are coming:
>>
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2010-January/010811.htm
>> l (performance testing by Gennady Kupava)
>>      
> WOW!
> Its *REALLY* faster. You can feel it from the very first touch: SHR-Today :)
>
>    
>
I can confirm, but some troubles on the SHRu (Jan 6th) :
- Wifi is not available (can't turn on device)
- No sound during phonecalls (can't hear nothing on both sides).

Someone to confirm those bugs ? (this way I'll trac those points)




From rusolis at poczta.fm  Tue Jan 12 14:03:19 2010
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:03:19 +0100
Subject: [SHR] vala-terminal encoding
Message-ID: <8b48b1571001120503v320f201fwab263f1c9100a98f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm trying to set up vala-terminal so that it displays Polish fonts
correctly (and so I can also type them in). The shr manual only explains how
to localize the entire system, which I don't want to. Btw, when I install
eglibc-locale-pl I get this:
 * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for eglibc-locale-pl:
     *  virtual-locale-pl *

Thanks,
Michal
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From kazer at altern.org  Tue Jan 12 14:07:56 2010
From: kazer at altern.org (KaZeR)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:07:56 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <4B4C7051.7060605@free.fr>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>	<201001121242.52176.david@garabana.com>
	<4B4C7051.7060605@free.fr>
Message-ID: <4B4C742C.4090206@altern.org>

Le 12/01/2010 13:51, Thomas HOCEDEZ a ?crit :
> Le 12/01/2010 12:42, David Garabana Barro a ?crit :

> - No sound during phonecalls (can't hear nothing on both sides).
>
> Someone to confirm those bugs ? (this way I'll trac those points)


Ben moi je pourrais confirmer que j'ai pas de son, mais c'est une autre 
histoire :)

Comment vas-u depuis le temps? Meilleurs voeux au fait!



From thomas.franck at gmx.com  Tue Jan 12 14:10:03 2010
From: thomas.franck at gmx.com (Thomas Franck)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:10:03 +0100
Subject: Bluetooth PBAP support for FSO
In-Reply-To: <201001111309.17147.ml@vdm-design.de>
References: <200912231831.14883.ml@vdm-design.de>	<201001041146.23842.ml@vdm-design.de>
	<4B43A745.5010502@gmx.com> <201001111309.17147.ml@vdm-design.de>
Message-ID: <4B4C74AB.5000301@gmx.com>

Hi..

On 11.01.2010 13:09, Thomas Zimmermann wrote:
> You can download the package at:
> http://downloads.vdm-design.de/obexd_0.20-r1.4_armv4t.ipk
> 
> Please try and report the result. I hope it's working but i'm not sure.

I've just tried connecting.. with the usual outcome:
FR says: new device (and is happy with that)
car says: "connecting..."  (and eventually aborts)

I will try again and again.. but first.. how do log usable data for
debugging for you?
I tried to install hcidump again, but I can't seem to find it in the
SHR-U feed..

what I did:
-----8<--------8<------
root at om-gta02 ~ $ hcitool scan
Scanning ...
	00:0E:9F:4E:FC:17	BMW 18208
root at om-gta02 ~ $ simple-agent hci0 00:0E:9F:4E:FC:17
RequestPinCode (/org/bluez/1538/hci0/dev_00_0E_9F_4E_FC_17)
Enter PIN Code: 1122
Release
New device (/org/bluez/1538/hci0/dev_00_0E_9F_4E_FC_17)
root at om-gta02 ~ $
-----8<--------8<------

That doesn't seem to show up in any logs, though..

Cheers,
-- 
Thomas

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From kazer at altern.org  Tue Jan 12 14:16:45 2010
From: kazer at altern.org (KaZeR)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:16:45 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <4B4C742C.4090206@altern.org>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>	<201001121242.52176.david@garabana.com>	<4B4C7051.7060605@free.fr>
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Le 12/01/2010 14:07, KaZeR a ?crit :
> Le 12/01/2010 13:51, Thomas HOCEDEZ a ?crit :
>> Le 12/01/2010 12:42, David Garabana Barro a ?crit :
>
>> - No sound during phonecalls (can't hear nothing on both sides).
>>
>> Someone to confirm those bugs ? (this way I'll trac those points)
>
>

Apologies for my last mail. It was intendend to be sent off the list..



From neo at el-hennig.de  Tue Jan 12 14:22:31 2010
From: neo at el-hennig.de (Lars Hennig)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:22:31 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <4B4C7051.7060605@free.fr>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001121242.52176.david@garabana.com> <4B4C7051.7060605@free.fr>
Message-ID: <201001121422.31356.neo@el-hennig.de>

Am Dienstag 12 Januar 2010 schrieb Thomas HOCEDEZ:
>>> Just FYI to the community list, as slowness has been one of the
>>> biggest problems with Neo. Quite nice speedups are coming:
>> Its *REALLY* faster. You can feel it from the very first touch: SHR-Today
> I can confirm, but some troubles on the SHRu (Jan 6th) :
> - Wifi is not available (can't turn on device)
> - No sound during phonecalls (can't hear nothing on both sides).

I cannot confirm the wifi problem nor the sound problem you mentioned. I use 
the latest upgrade as of today (except for the latest e-wm packages).

-- 
Lars

 Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology:
   There's always one more bug.


From fabian.schoelzel at googlemail.com  Tue Jan 12 15:04:45 2010
From: fabian.schoelzel at googlemail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fabian_Sch=F6lzel?=)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:04:45 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <201001101844.40036.fabian.schoelzel@googlemail.com>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20607da11001100459v339dc700veb518e086da8b085@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001101510.31704.psonek2@seznam.cz>
	<201001101844.40036.fabian.schoelzel@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <d0da135f1001120604s130abd6x15381f5390968969@mail.gmail.com>

Am 10. Januar 2010 18:44 schrieb Fabian Sch?lzel
<fabian.schoelzel at googlemail.com>:
> Hm... i've done that, but i'm getting the cycles, too. I can't even connect
> through ssh now. Will there be a v17 release soon, or do i have to revert the
> kernel?

It seems i hadn't v16 installed, so i didn't worked. Now i have it
working, and... wow, it's really faster. That's amazing!

Thanks to all involved!

Cheers,
Fabian


From rusolis at poczta.fm  Tue Jan 12 15:31:56 2010
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:31:56 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <4B4C7051.7060605@free.fr>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001121242.52176.david@garabana.com> <4B4C7051.7060605@free.fr>
Message-ID: <8b48b1571001120631n554cf064v48f99721cd45c879@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/12 Thomas HOCEDEZ <thomas.hocedez at free.fr>

> I can confirm, but some troubles on the SHRu (Jan 6th) :
> - Wifi is not available (can't turn on device)
> - No sound during phonecalls (can't hear nothing on both sides).
>
> Someone to confirm those bugs ? (this way I'll trac those points)
>
>
> have you installed the modules?
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From baba_melone at yahoo.de  Tue Jan 12 16:37:09 2010
From: baba_melone at yahoo.de (hab keen oh ne)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:37:09 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: AW: New project openmokontrol
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You could extrakt the ipkg file and move the binary to /usr/bin. Otherwise you could install the debian package, which should soon be available in the Hackable:1 feeds.




________________________________
Von: Denis Johnson <denis.johnson at gmail.com>
An: List for Openmoko community discussion <community at lists.openmoko.org>
Gesendet: Dienstag, den 12. Januar 2010, 10:11:15 Uhr
Betreff: Re: New project openmokontrol

Any idea if it is possible or how I can install this on QTMoko V16 ?

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Nicola Mfb <nicola.mfb at gmail.com> wrote:
> You may try
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NIDE/NIDED
> Regards
>      Niko

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From dscaini at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 16:55:11 2010
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:55:11 +0100
Subject: elementary webkit browser
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References: <1263117050115-4280656.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100110112649.01349075@vanek.robe.cz> 
	<201001100913.49878.vendion@charter.net>
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On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:22 AM, c_c <cchandel at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> vendion wrote:
> >
> > Question how did you install it?  When I use the ipk I get this
> >
> > root at om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install
> > http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4280656/browser_1.0-r0
> > .4_armv4t.ipk
> > Downloading
> http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4280656/browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
> > Installing browser (1.0-r0.4) to root...
> > Installing libewebkit0
> > (1.1.11+gitr38213+3a5ee77664c898ed51a2b2d5759822f8c0a06472-r1.4) to
> > root...
> > Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-
> >
> unstable/ipk//armv4t/libewebkit0_1.1.11+gitr38213+3a5ee77664c898ed51a2b2d5759822f8c0a06472-
> > r1.4_armv4t.ipk
> > Collected errors:
> >  * Package libewebkit0 wants to install file
> > /usr/share/webkit-1.0/resources/error.html
> >         But that file is already provided by package  * libwebkit-1.0-2
> >  * Cannot find package browser.
> >
>
>    Try opkg install http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4280656/browser_1.0-r0
> .4_armv4t.ipk --force-overwrite
>
>  libewebkit and webkit have a few common files.
> HTH
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://n2.nabble.com/elementary-webkit-browser-tp4280656p4283768.html
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This is a great idea!
In shr-u without latest updates i get

root at om-gta02 ~ $ browser
showing window
Error #2 while loading the group 'scrollbar.vertical'.
Error #2 while loading the group 'scrollbar.vertical'.
Segmentation fault

any hint?
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From cchandel at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 12 17:00:48 2010
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:00:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: elementary webkit browser
In-Reply-To: <18db98c81001120755y21f0f0a9y637a7dfe6e2b5d1a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1263117050115-4280656.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100110112649.01349075@vanek.robe.cz>
	<201001100913.49878.vendion@charter.net>
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Hi,

Davide Scaini wrote:
> 
> Error #2 while loading the group 'scrollbar.vertical'.
> Error #2 while loading the group 'scrollbar.vertical'.
> Segmentation fault
> 
> any hint?
> d
> 
  Well, it seems like this is an error with the webkit-efl port's edje file.
Don't know if someone is working on this as of now.
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From deubeuliou at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 17:13:15 2010
From: deubeuliou at gmail.com (David Wagner)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:13:15 +0100
Subject: AW: New project openmokontrol
In-Reply-To: <861808.48859.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>	<20607da11001042024x6aaa3542td0bf6a0ac2347f3f@mail.gmail.com>	<359c5481001042113x53341c1xd1afcd65b3b9b340@mail.gmail.com>	<20607da11001120111q73aced7csa654412ace175035@mail.gmail.com>
	<861808.48859.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B4C9F9B.8050308@gmail.com>

hab keen oh ne a ?crit :
> You could extrakt the ipkg file and move the binary to /usr/bin. Otherwise you could install the debian package, which should soon be available in the Hackable:1 feeds.
> 

It will be available tomorrow at
http://build.hackable1.org/debian/dists/wip/main/binary-armel/ (and for
some other archs too)

I tested it, it's awesome :D

David

> 
> ________________________________
> Von: Denis Johnson <denis.johnson at gmail.com>
> An: List for Openmoko community discussion <community at lists.openmoko.org>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 12. Januar 2010, 10:11:15 Uhr
> Betreff: Re: New project openmokontrol
> 
> Any idea if it is possible or how I can install this on QTMoko V16 ?
> 
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Nicola Mfb <nicola.mfb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> You may try
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NIDE/NIDED
>> Regards
>>      Niko


From dscaini at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 18:13:18 2010
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:13:18 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <8b48b1571001120631n554cf064v48f99721cd45c879@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com> 
	<201001121242.52176.david@garabana.com> <4B4C7051.7060605@free.fr> 
	<8b48b1571001120631n554cf064v48f99721cd45c879@mail.gmail.com>
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Tried now on shr-u, simply great!
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From klemmster at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 20:49:57 2010
From: klemmster at gmail.com (Richy)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:49:57 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <4B4C7051.7060605@free.fr>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001121242.52176.david@garabana.com> <4B4C7051.7060605@free.fr>
Message-ID: <9e7398031001121149p7b4fb3beh3c840897db9a976a@mail.gmail.com>

I think you did not install the modules. it is described earlier in this
thread.
I had no wifi or even usb networking left though.
Solved it by removing sd-card, putting the modules on it from laptop and
insert it into the neo again.
Wifi works like a charm with nwa, doesn't connect with mokonnect though.
Sound during calls is still  a mess for the other side though..

Anyways. Big speedup, really nicely done. - Maybe there are even more
improvements to the kernel somewhere?

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 13:51, Thomas HOCEDEZ <thomas.hocedez at free.fr>wrote:

> Le 12/01/2010 12:42, David Garabana Barro a ?crit :
> > On Friday 08 January 2010 19:23:00 Timo Jyrinki wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Just FYI to the community list, as slowness has been one of the
> >> biggest problems with Neo. Quite nice speedups are coming:
> >>
> >>
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2010-January/010811.htm
> >> l (performance testing by Gennady Kupava)
> >>
> > WOW!
> > Its *REALLY* faster. You can feel it from the very first touch: SHR-Today
> :)
> >
> >
> >
> I can confirm, but some troubles on the SHRu (Jan 6th) :
> - Wifi is not available (can't turn on device)
> - No sound during phonecalls (can't hear nothing on both sides).
>
> Someone to confirm those bugs ? (this way I'll trac those points)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From andrew.stephen at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 20:50:09 2010
From: andrew.stephen at gmail.com (Andrew Stephen)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:50:09 +1300
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <4B4C7051.7060605@free.fr>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001121242.52176.david@garabana.com> <4B4C7051.7060605@free.fr>
Message-ID: <2e51a0351001121150w6c873a16wb2ed80f4ba59b44f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:51 AM, Thomas HOCEDEZ <thomas.hocedez at free.fr> wrote:
[snip]
>
> I can confirm, but some troubles on the SHRu (Jan 6th) :
> - Wifi is not available (can't turn on device)
> - No sound during phonecalls (can't hear nothing on both sides).
>
> Someone to confirm those bugs ? (this way I'll trac those points)

I had similar problems until I realised I'd untarred the modules into
/home/root instead of /

Have you extracted the modules tarball?

-- 
Andrew Stephen
http://www.evil.geek.nz/

It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either
charming or tedious.
  - Oscar Wilde


From gb at bsdmn.com  Tue Jan 12 21:09:07 2010
From: gb at bsdmn.com (Gennady Kupava)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:09:07 +0300
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <9e7398031001121149p7b4fb3beh3c840897db9a976a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001121242.52176.david@garabana.com> <4B4C7051.7060605@free.fr>
	<9e7398031001121149p7b4fb3beh3c840897db9a976a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1263326947.30741.544.camel@work.bsdmn.ru>

? ???, 12/01/2010 ? 20:49 +0100, Richy ?????:

> Anyways. Big speedup, really nicely done. - Maybe there are even more
> improvements to the kernel somewhere?

I am planning to check various other ideas, don't expect such big
difference anymore, but improvements are really possible.

have fun. Gennady.




From gb at bsdmn.com  Tue Jan 12 21:37:28 2010
From: gb at bsdmn.com (Gennady Kupava)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:37:28 +0300
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <4B4C7051.7060605@free.fr>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001121242.52176.david@garabana.com>  <4B4C7051.7060605@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1263328648.30741.576.camel@work.bsdmn.ru>

? ???, 12/01/2010 ? 13:51 +0100, Thomas HOCEDEZ ?????:
> Le 12/01/2010 12:42, David Garabana Barro a crit :
> > On Friday 08 January 2010 19:23:00 Timo Jyrinki wrote:
> >    
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Just FYI to the community list, as slowness has been one of the
> >> biggest problems with Neo. Quite nice speedups are coming:
> >>
> >> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2010-January/010811.htm
> >> l (performance testing by Gennady Kupava)
> >>      
> > WOW!
> > Its *REALLY* faster. You can feel it from the very first touch: SHR-Today :)
> >
> >    
> >
> I can confirm, but some troubles on the SHRu (Jan 6th) :
> - Wifi is not available (can't turn on device)
> - No sound during phonecalls (can't hear nothing on both sides).
> 
> Someone to confirm those bugs ? (this way I'll trac those points)

Please, triple check that you installed kernel and modules in right way
and report if you still have issue.

Gennady




From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Tue Jan 12 21:48:57 2010
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:48:57 +0000
Subject: [SHR-U] Wifi?
In-Reply-To: <c30e08171001041119k4ca9c1a0wd5aafec3b9d2a0b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B423B80.8050709@videotron.ca>
	<c30e08171001041119k4ca9c1a0wd5aafec3b9d2a0b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001122048.57868.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Monday 04 January 2010, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
> I didn't try bluetooth, but WiFi just works here with plain
> wpa_supplicant, with open, WPA and WEP networks.
> When signal is weak, "wmiconfig -i eth0 --power maxperf" is sometimes
> very helpful.

This is also needed for certain access points even with a strong signal. My 
WRT54G (old, stock firmware) is very unreliable without it, but fine with it.


From denis.johnson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 00:52:43 2010
From: denis.johnson at gmail.com (Denis Johnson)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:52:43 +1000
Subject: [qtmoko] New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <1263198892150-4284388.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1263198892150-4284388.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <20607da11001121552k58d87b3l517c6b379942119@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent thanks,

Does this include a normal flashable image I can put straight to nand
or is this an SD card install only ?

cheers Denis

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 6:34 PM, ghislain <ghislain at basetrend.nl> wrote:
>
> I've created a new installer-image for QtMoko V16B, it can be downloaded
> here: ?http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qtm16b QtMoko V16B .
> This are the changes:
>
> - Kernel without debugging options (overall speedup)
> - TangoGPS to V0.99.2
> - Latest patch from Radek (mmap & mmap64) (solves segfault in webviewer /
> arora)
>
> Ghislain
> http://www.basetrend.nl/ BaseTrend ?- ?http://www.openmobile.nl
> openmobile.nl
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/qtmoko-New-significant-speedups-coming-to-FreeRunner-tp4284388p4284388.html
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From denis.johnson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 01:02:45 2010
From: denis.johnson at gmail.com (Denis Johnson)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:02:45 +1000
Subject: AW: New project openmokontrol
In-Reply-To: <4B4C9F9B.8050308@gmail.com>
References: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<20607da11001042024x6aaa3542td0bf6a0ac2347f3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<359c5481001042113x53341c1xd1afcd65b3b9b340@mail.gmail.com>
	<20607da11001120111q73aced7csa654412ace175035@mail.gmail.com>
	<861808.48859.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<4B4C9F9B.8050308@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20607da11001121602qf541e0bv63532228e588086f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 2:13 AM, David Wagner wrote:
> It will be available tomorrow at
> http://build.hackable1.org/debian/dists/wip/main/binary-armel/ (and for
> some other archs too)
>
> I tested it, it's awesome :D

You tested on QTMoko ?
________________________________
>> Von: Denis Johnson <denis.johnson at gmail.com>
>> An: List for Openmoko community discussion <community at lists.openmoko.org>
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 12. Januar 2010, 10:11:15 Uhr
>> Betreff: Re: New project openmokontrol
>>
>> Any idea if it is possible or how I can install this on QTMoko V16 ?
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Nicola Mfb <nicola.mfb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> You may try
>>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NIDE/NIDED
>>> Regards
>>> ? ? ?Niko


From vfebvre at easter-eggs.com  Wed Jan 13 02:10:06 2010
From: vfebvre at easter-eggs.com (Valery Febvre)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:10:06 +0100
Subject: [SHR] Podboy 1.2.0
Message-ID: <4B4D1D6E.9000406@easter-eggs.com>

Hi,

A new version of Podboy is available.

Changes in 1.2.0:
* New feature: show details of episodes in page "Downloads" (like in
page "Episodes").

* New feature: update only the selected podcast in page "Downloads".

* New feature: episodes can now be tagged as "Ignore" in page
"Downloads". All episodes with status "ignore" will be skip when the
downloading of all episodes of a podcast will be requested.

* New feature: import of a list of podcasts via an OPML file (new button
"Import" in the page "Podcasts")

* Fixed occasionnaly incorrect display size of podcasts covers.

Package: http://podboy.googlecode.com/files/podboy_1.2.0-r0_all.ipk

========================================================================

Podboy is a podcast aggregator/player written in Python/Elementary.

Its interface aims to be easy and finger friendly.
It uses Feedparser Python module for download/parsing of podcast feeds,
Gstreamer for playing of episodes and SQLite for storing data.

Features
* Simple and finger friendly interface
* Subscription, unsubscription to podcasts
* Check for new episodes
* Download of a single episode or all available episodes
* Delete of a single episode or all episodes
* Player: play/pause/stop, mute, sliders for playing position of
   episodes and volume
* Volume and playing positions of episodes are saved
* Auto-suspend is disabled during playing
* Playing is stopped on incoming GSM call
* Bluetooth A2DP support
* Import from OPML file

Suggestions/feedback/bug reports are welcome.

Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/podboy/

Screenshots: http://code.google.com/p/podboy/wiki/Screenshots

Happy listening,
-- 
Val?ry Febvre
Valos


From rozzin at geekspace.com  Wed Jan 13 03:41:11 2010
From: rozzin at geekspace.com (Joshua Judson Rosen)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:41:11 -0500
Subject: tangogps 0.99.1
References: <20091122143645.46fbea80@acer> <4B41E972.1030700@sapo.pt>
	<20100106100106.501fbe45@acer>
	<1263148778.3769.12.camel@gnutoo-desktop>
	<2f3aa2771001101843mfa4f031rd15f002e88135f04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87hbqq916g.fsf@slice.rozzin.com>

Robin Paulson <robin.paulson at gmail.com> writes:
>
> 2010/1/11 GNUtoo <GNUtoo at no-log.org>:
> >> I'll make that configurable in one of the next versions of tangoGPS.
> > hi,Thanks for making tangogps,
> > I've also a suggestion, I'd like to be able to configure the speed
> > limit(so when the speed goes red), because last time I used
> > tangogps(during the last summer hollidays) When I was in a car the speed
> > limit was about 50Km/h.That's fine in a city but not on a highway(about
> > 130 Km/h in France)
> 
> perhaps multi-coloured would be useful?
> 
> green or black of it's under the urban limit (configurable), orange if
> it's over the urban limit but under the motorway limit (also
> configurable), and red if it's over the motorway limit

Interesting: I wasn't even aware that the speed-indicator changed
colour at all, because it changes between black and a colour that I
(and many other people) cannot see.

If there was a configuration option, then I might have noticed
the feature that way--and even found it useful :)

-- 
"Don't be afraid to ask (?f.((?x.xx) (?r.f(rr))))."



From ghislain at basetrend.nl  Wed Jan 13 09:12:25 2010
From: ghislain at basetrend.nl (ghislain)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 00:12:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [qtmoko] New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <20607da11001121552k58d87b3l517c6b379942119@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1263198892150-4284388.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20607da11001121552k58d87b3l517c6b379942119@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1263370345268-4329047.post@n2.nabble.com>



Denis Johnson wrote:
> 
> Does this include a normal flashable image I can put straight to nand
> or is this an SD card install only ?
> 

This is an installer-image which will flash to nand, but you can flash to
nand using dfu-util by flashing the files 'kernel.img' (== uImage) and
'rootfs.img' (== jffs2).

Ghislain
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From timo.lindfors at iki.fi  Wed Jan 13 09:30:42 2010
From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:30:42 +0200
Subject: wifi sometimes fails to start with "ar6000_activate: Failed to
	activate -4" when DEBUG_KERNEL/PREEMPT are disabled
In-Reply-To: <4B4C7051.7060605@free.fr> (Thomas HOCEDEZ's message of "Tue\,
	12 Jan 2010 13\:51\:29 +0100")
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001121242.52176.david@garabana.com> <4B4C7051.7060605@free.fr>
Message-ID: <84hbqq9zkd.fsf_-_@sauna.l.org>

Thomas HOCEDEZ <thomas.hocedez at free.fr> writes:
> - Wifi is not available (can't turn on device)

I reported this at

"wifi sometimes fails to start with "ar6000_activate: Failed to activate -4" when DEBUG_KERNEL/PREEMPT are disabled"

at

https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2327

Please go check if you get the same error messages.





From hns at computer.org  Wed Jan 13 09:40:08 2010
From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:40:08 +0100
Subject: next Openmoko "Stammtisch" Munich, Germany: 19 Jan 2010 19:00
Message-ID: <EDF05255-ED84-471D-AA8C-67F010C00506@computer.org>

Hi all,
this is an info that the next regular Openmoko meeting in Munich,  
Germany takes place at

	Tuesday 19th Jan, 19:00 local time.

As usual, location is

	"Die Wildsau"
	Balanstrasse 121
	81549 M?nchen

This time Dr. Mickey "FSO" Lauer has planned to visit us!

Everyone is invited to come. Please register yourself through

	http://www.doodle.com/sgsqrv46yinsmib4

If you need something from our shop (a new Freerunner GTA02A7?) and  
want to save shipment cost, please let me know.

Nikolaus Schaller

See Also: http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=1650&start=0&hilit=stammtisch


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From larsopoulsen at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 10:31:06 2010
From: larsopoulsen at gmail.com (lars poulsen)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:31:06 +0100
Subject: [Shr-User] [SHR] Podboy 1.2.0
In-Reply-To: <4B4D1D6E.9000406@easter-eggs.com>
References: <4B4D1D6E.9000406@easter-eggs.com>
Message-ID: <a012c69e1001130131k6944f2ael2b17c1876506aef5@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 2:10 AM, Valery Febvre <vfebvre at easter-eggs.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> A new version of Podboy is available.
>
> Changes in 1.2.0:
> * New feature: show details of episodes in page "Downloads" (like in
> page "Episodes").
>
> * New feature: update only the selected podcast in page "Downloads".
>
> * New feature: episodes can now be tagged as "Ignore" in page
> "Downloads". All episodes with status "ignore" will be skip when the
> downloading of all episodes of a podcast will be requested.
>
> * New feature: import of a list of podcasts via an OPML file (new button
> "Import" in the page "Podcasts")
>
> * Fixed occasionnaly incorrect display size of podcasts covers.
>
> Package: http://podboy.googlecode.com/files/podboy_1.2.0-r0_all.ipk
>
> ========================================================================
>
> Podboy is a podcast aggregator/player written in Python/Elementary.
>
> Its interface aims to be easy and finger friendly.
> It uses Feedparser Python module for download/parsing of podcast feeds,
> Gstreamer for playing of episodes and SQLite for storing data.
>
> Features
> * Simple and finger friendly interface
> * Subscription, unsubscription to podcasts
> * Check for new episodes
> * Download of a single episode or all available episodes
> * Delete of a single episode or all episodes
> * Player: play/pause/stop, mute, sliders for playing position of
> ? episodes and volume
> * Volume and playing positions of episodes are saved
> * Auto-suspend is disabled during playing
> * Playing is stopped on incoming GSM call
> * Bluetooth A2DP support
> * Import from OPML file
>
> Suggestions/feedback/bug reports are welcome.
>
> Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/podboy/
>
> Screenshots: http://code.google.com/p/podboy/wiki/Screenshots
>
> Happy listening,
> --
> Val?ry Febvre
> Valos
> _______________________________________________
> Shr-User mailing list
> Shr-User at lists.shr-project.org
> http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user
>

Thank you very much this is one of my most used programs on the freerunner.
You almost doesn't notice that it is written in python...

regards


From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Wed Jan 13 12:30:06 2010
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:30:06 +0000
Subject: Bootloaders - part 2 (Was: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your
	Freerunner?)
In-Reply-To: <ef8c8a881001051034w2e28cdd1p23167c6864bd80b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef8c8a881001051034w2e28cdd1p23167c6864bd80b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001131130.07037.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Tuesday 05 January 2010, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:51 AM, Al Johnson
> 
> <openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk>wrote:
> > I guess Android only needs a forked Qi because it needed different boot
> > parameters, and Qi can't read them from file when booting from NAND.
> 
> It makes me wonder why the missing functionality (ability to read
>  parameters from a file o something else in nand) wasn't implemented in the
>  main Qi instead of forking it.
> 
> > I find uboot very easy for multibooting.
> 
> Interesting. Care to tell more about your setup?
> Which distributions are yu multibooting? Android, SHR, QtMoko, Hackable?
> One in NAND and three or four on a sd card?
> If you decide to switch sd card, do you hve to update uboot settings?

i have an old Android in NAND that I keep meaning to get rid of, but not 
getting round to. The 8GB uSD is:
mmcblk0p1: 0.5G vfat for Android
mmcblk0p2: 0.5G ext3 for Android
mmcblk0p3: 0.5G ext3 for a rootfs
mmcblk0p5: 0.5G ext3 for a rootfs
mmcblk0p6: 2G ext3 for a rootfs
mmcblk0p7: 4G ext3 for shared storage (navit and tangogps maps, music, 
swapfile etc.)

I configured boot parameters for NAND, p3, p5 and p6 using the uboot cli soon 
after I got the FR, and tweaked it to work with kernels >2M when that became 
an issue. I have rarely touched it since. When I want to  try a new image I 
untar the rootfs to p3, 5 or 6, tweak the fstab and network settings to suit 
my setup, and select the partition form the uboot menu. So far I've used 
various Om, FSO and SHR images without problems. I doubt Debian, Hackable or 
QtMoko would be significantly more difficult, and if I got rid of Android I 
could use the first couple of partitions for more rootfs.



From jldominguez at prodevelop.es  Wed Jan 13 14:12:52 2010
From: jldominguez at prodevelop.es (Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:12:52 +0100
Subject: Mer on Freerunner
Message-ID: <E43C32BC5843E34FB4C00CDFAAAAF7D8017B4E2A@australia.prodevelop.local>

Dear list:
 
Has anyone installed Mer [1] on a Freerunner?
 
I still have the SD card that came with my Freerunner (therefore 500 MB, I think). Is that enough to install Mer in it?
 
What about the graphical performance? Would you say it's better or worse than using SHR on Freerunner?
 
[1] http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer
 
Regards,
Juan Lucas
 
 
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From woutersj at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 15:00:41 2010
From: woutersj at gmail.com (Jeroen Wouters)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:00:41 +0100
Subject: Mer on Freerunner
In-Reply-To: <E43C32BC5843E34FB4C00CDFAAAAF7D8017B4E2A@australia.prodevelop.local>
References: <E43C32BC5843E34FB4C00CDFAAAAF7D8017B4E2A@australia.prodevelop.local>
Message-ID: <4B4DD209.4030804@gmail.com>

On 13.01.2010 14:12, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote:
> Dear list:
> Has anyone installed Mer [1] on a Freerunner?
Yes, I have. I believe a 500 Mb SD should suffice.

You should note that the Freerunner port of Mer is not being actively 
developed. The newer versions of Mer are intended to bring some of the 
shiny new effects of the N900 to previous iterations of the Nokia 
internet tablet. I don't think the Freerunner would cope very well with 
these. If you want to try, it may be possible to build a more recent 
image yourself using the imager script:
http://gitorious.org/mer/imager

Also, since it's developed as an OS for internet tablets, there is 
currently no telephony stack included.

Regards,
Jeroen
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From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Wed Jan 13 16:25:36 2010
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:25:36 +0100
Subject: qspectemu - zx spectrum emulator port for Freerunner
Message-ID: <201001131625.36300.psonek2@seznam.cz>

Hi,
i have just finished porting of spectemu[1] to Qt and Freerunner. It's now in 
QtMoko package feed if you want to try it or you can compile from sources for 
your favourite distro.

The main work was port to Qt, possibility to use touchscreen and creating GUI 
for loading/saving snapshots and creating mouse/touchscreen bindings.

So the emulator can now do following:

- download my favourite games from internet
- load/save snapshot
- define custom on screen locations for spectrum keys
- rotate, qvga
- vibrate to notice if pressed border location of two keys
- use virtual keyboard for input (longer press requited for some games)
- autocorrect on screen key location during game playing 

Here are some useful tips:

- for QtMoko you will need v17 kernel to get decent speed [3] 
- if you want to disable sounds, delete /dev/dsp ;-)

I have also uploaded ugly video on youtube [4] and have a small homepage [5]

 Cheers

Radek


[1] http://www.inf.bme.hu/~mszeredi/spectemu/
[2] http://github.com/radekp/spectemu
[3] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/download/experimental/
[4] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6Wtvaxz3sQ
[5] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qspectemu/


From jldominguez at prodevelop.es  Wed Jan 13 16:29:17 2010
From: jldominguez at prodevelop.es (Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:29:17 +0100
Subject: Mer on Freerunner
References: <E43C32BC5843E34FB4C00CDFAAAAF7D8017B4E2A@australia.prodevelop.local>
	<4B4DD209.4030804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E43C32BC5843E34FB4C00CDFAAAAF7D8017B4E2C@australia.prodevelop.local>

Hello, thanks!
 
> Also, since it's developed as an OS for internet
> tablets, there is currently no telephony stack included
 
All the better. I'm using the Nokia N810 and the Freerunner as a PDA for my mapping app:
 
http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com
 
Regards,
Juan Lucas
 
 

________________________________

De: community-bounces at lists.openmoko.org en nombre de Jeroen Wouters
Enviado el: mi? 13/01/2010 15:00
Para: community at lists.openmoko.org
Asunto: Re: Mer on Freerunner


On 13.01.2010 14:12, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: 

	
	Dear list:
	 
	Has anyone installed Mer [1] on a Freerunner?
	 

Yes, I have. I believe a 500 Mb SD should suffice.

You should note that the Freerunner port of Mer is not being actively developed. The newer versions of Mer are intended to bring some of the shiny new effects of the N900 to previous iterations of the Nokia internet tablet. I don't think the Freerunner would cope very well with these. If you want to try, it may be possible to build a more recent image yourself using the imager script:
http://gitorious.org/mer/imager

Also, since it's developed as an OS for internet tablets, there is currently no telephony stack included.

Regards,
Jeroen

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From david at garabana.com  Wed Jan 13 16:31:55 2010
From: david at garabana.com (David Garabana Barro)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:31:55 +0100
Subject: qspectemu - zx spectrum emulator port for Freerunner
In-Reply-To: <201001131625.36300.psonek2@seznam.cz>
References: <201001131625.36300.psonek2@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <201001131631.57722.david@garabana.com>

On Wednesday 13 January 2010 16:25:36 Radek Polak wrote:
> Hi,
> i have just finished porting of spectemu[1] to Qt and Freerunner. It's now
> in QtMoko package feed if you want to try it or you can compile from
> sources for your favourite distro.

Thank you! :)
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From cchandel at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 13 18:28:47 2010
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:28:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: elm_browser initial release
Message-ID: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,
  Here is a webkit-efl / elementary based browser.

Features

* finger scrolling
* double-click to zoom in
* triple click to zoom out (not working as of now - help needed)
* layout optimised for max viewing space

  The code is available at elm-browser.googlecode.com

  The ipk for shr-u is available at
http://elm-browser.googlecode.com/files/browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk

  Feedback / feature requests are welcome. 
  I don't know much about webkit/edje and hence need help with the following
:-

 * Is there a bookmarking api in webkit ?
 * How do I make a webview transparent in webkit-efl ?
 * Evas triple click doesn't work. Any Ideas ? 
 * Can and edje file alse provide signal callbacks if I use it through
elementary layout ?

Thanks and enjoy!
-- 
View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/elm-browser-initial-release-tp4357081p4357081.html
Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.


From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Wed Jan 13 19:41:34 2010
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-15?q?R=FCb?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:41:34 +0100
Subject: [SHR] Podboy 1.2.0
In-Reply-To: <4B4D1D6E.9000406@easter-eggs.com>
References: <4B4D1D6E.9000406@easter-eggs.com>
Message-ID: <201001131941.34589.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

> Hi,
> 
> A new version of Podboy is available.
> 
> Changes in 1.2.0:
> * New feature: show details of episodes in page "Downloads" (like in
> page "Episodes").
> 
> * New feature: update only the selected podcast in page "Downloads".
> 
> * New feature: episodes can now be tagged as "Ignore" in page
> "Downloads". All episodes with status "ignore" will be skip when the
> downloading of all episodes of a podcast will be requested.
> 
> * New feature: import of a list of podcasts via an OPML file (new button
> "Import" in the page "Podcasts")
> 
> * Fixed occasionnaly incorrect display size of podcasts covers.
> 
> Package: http://podboy.googlecode.com/files/podboy_1.2.0-r0_all.ipk
> 
> ========================================================================
> 
> Podboy is a podcast aggregator/player written in Python/Elementary.
> 
> Its interface aims to be easy and finger friendly.
> It uses Feedparser Python module for download/parsing of podcast feeds,
> Gstreamer for playing of episodes and SQLite for storing data.
> 
> Features
> * Simple and finger friendly interface
> * Subscription, unsubscription to podcasts
> * Check for new episodes
> * Download of a single episode or all available episodes
> * Delete of a single episode or all episodes
> * Player: play/pause/stop, mute, sliders for playing position of
>    episodes and volume
> * Volume and playing positions of episodes are saved
> * Auto-suspend is disabled during playing
> * Playing is stopped on incoming GSM call
> * Bluetooth A2DP support
> * Import from OPML file
> 
> Suggestions/feedback/bug reports are welcome.
> 
> Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/podboy/
> 
> Screenshots: http://code.google.com/p/podboy/wiki/Screenshots
> 
> Happy listening,
> 

Hi,

I just wanted to try it and after importing a podcast I wanted to download 1 episode but get "No folder defined for media" - where can I define a folder?

Thanks,
 Christian


From dscaini at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 19:50:58 2010
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:50:58 +0100
Subject: [SHR] Podboy 1.2.0
In-Reply-To: <201001131941.34589.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
References: <4B4D1D6E.9000406@easter-eggs.com>
	<201001131941.34589.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <18db98c81001131050m3eecb2c2saf17980296197778@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Christian R?b <christian.rueb at gmx.net>wrote:

> > Hi,
> >
> > A new version of Podboy is available.
> >
> > Changes in 1.2.0:
> > * New feature: show details of episodes in page "Downloads" (like in
> > page "Episodes").
> >
> > * New feature: update only the selected podcast in page "Downloads".
> >
> > * New feature: episodes can now be tagged as "Ignore" in page
> > "Downloads". All episodes with status "ignore" will be skip when the
> > downloading of all episodes of a podcast will be requested.
> >
> > * New feature: import of a list of podcasts via an OPML file (new button
> > "Import" in the page "Podcasts")
> >
> > * Fixed occasionnaly incorrect display size of podcasts covers.
> >
> > Package: http://podboy.googlecode.com/files/podboy_1.2.0-r0_all.ipk
> >
> > ========================================================================
> >
> > Podboy is a podcast aggregator/player written in Python/Elementary.
> >
> > Its interface aims to be easy and finger friendly.
> > It uses Feedparser Python module for download/parsing of podcast feeds,
> > Gstreamer for playing of episodes and SQLite for storing data.
> >
> > Features
> > * Simple and finger friendly interface
> > * Subscription, unsubscription to podcasts
> > * Check for new episodes
> > * Download of a single episode or all available episodes
> > * Delete of a single episode or all episodes
> > * Player: play/pause/stop, mute, sliders for playing position of
> >    episodes and volume
> > * Volume and playing positions of episodes are saved
> > * Auto-suspend is disabled during playing
> > * Playing is stopped on incoming GSM call
> > * Bluetooth A2DP support
> > * Import from OPML file
> >
> > Suggestions/feedback/bug reports are welcome.
> >
> > Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/podboy/
> >
> > Screenshots: http://code.google.com/p/podboy/wiki/Screenshots
> >
> > Happy listening,
> >
>
> Hi,
>
> I just wanted to try it and after importing a podcast I wanted to download
> 1 episode but get "No folder defined for media" - where can I define a
> folder?
>
> Thanks,
>  Christian
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


settings ;-)
d
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From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Wed Jan 13 20:40:35 2010
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-15?q?R=FCb?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:40:35 +0100
Subject: [SHR] Podboy 1.2.0
In-Reply-To: <18db98c81001131050m3eecb2c2saf17980296197778@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B4D1D6E.9000406@easter-eggs.com>
	<201001131941.34589.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<18db98c81001131050m3eecb2c2saf17980296197778@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001132040.35893.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

> > Hi,
> >
> > I just wanted to try it and after importing a podcast I wanted to download
> > 1 episode but get "No folder defined for media" - where can I define a
> > folder?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >  Christian
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
> 
> 
> settings ;-)
> d

Ah, scrolling further to the right revealed what I needed :D
Downloading episodes did not work until I manually created a direcotry for the feed though...

Christian


From vanous at penguin.cz  Wed Jan 13 21:04:36 2010
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:04:36 +0100
Subject: elm_browser initial release
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <20100113210436.5284ce94@vanek.robe.cz>

>  Here is a webkit-efl / elementary based browser.

thank you, this was really needed. startup is fast, response too.

>Features
>
>* finger scrolling
>* double-click to zoom in
>* triple click to zoom out (not working as of now - help needed)
>* layout optimised for max viewing space

this is great, the transparent widgets help to be able to view a lot

>  The code is available at elm-browser.googlecode.com

it would be great to find a good name for it + icon and
include it in shr, it beats midory in performance big time

>Thanks and enjoy!

thank you!

Petr



From neo at el-hennig.de  Wed Jan 13 21:23:58 2010
From: neo at el-hennig.de (Lars Hennig)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:23:58 +0100
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <201001132123.59097.neo@el-hennig.de>

Am Mittwoch 13 Januar 2010 schrieb c_c:
> Features
>
> * finger scrolling
> * double-click to zoom in
> * triple click to zoom out (not working as of now - help needed)
> * layout optimised for max viewing space

First impression is great!

One question: How can I open a url while launching browser from a script or 
command line? If there is no such function, could you add a parameter for 
that?

-- 
Lars

 Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology:
   There's always one more bug.


From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Wed Jan 13 22:58:23 2010
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-1?q?R=FCb?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:58:23 +0100
Subject: Calendar app supporting 2 or more ICS files?
Message-ID: <201001132258.24218.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

Hi,

does anyone know a calendar application - preferably for SHR - that does support more than 1 calendar and stores in ICS files?
dates (from pimlico) seems to support only one.

Thanks.

Cheers,
 Christian


From yann.sladek at free.fr  Wed Jan 13 08:11:49 2010
From: yann.sladek at free.fr (Yann SLADEK)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:11:49 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] Building QtMoko failed
Message-ID: <4B4D7235.3090202@free.fr>

Hi there,

I wanted to start the french translation of QtMoko and wanted to build 
it, so I followed instructions here : http://qtmoko.org/wiki/Translations
The configure step was fine but when I start make, I got the following 
error :

    g++ -c -pipe -fno-rtti -fPIC -O2 -fPIC -Wall -W
    -DQT_QWS_DISABLE_FLUSHCLIPPING -DQT_NO_PLUGIN_CHECK
    -DQT_EXTERNAL_SOUND_SERVER -DQT_QWS_KEYEVENT_SINGLECLIENT
    -DMEDIA_SERVER -DQT_KEYPAD_NAVIGATION -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=0
    -DQT_QWS_DYNAMIC_TRANSFORMATION -DQT_QWS_CLIENTBLIT
    -DQT_BOOTSTRAPPED -DQT_LITE_UNICODE -DQT_NO_CAST_FROM_ASCII
    -DQT_NO_CAST_TO_ASCII -DQT_NO_CODECS -DQT_NO_DATASTREAM
    -DQT_NO_GEOM_VARIANT -DQT_NO_LIBRARY -DQT_NO_QOBJECT -DQT_NO_STL
    -DQT_NO_SYSTEMLOCALE -DQT_NO_TEXTSTREAM -DQT_NO_THREAD
    -DQT_NO_UNICODETABLES -DQT_NO_USING_NAMESPACE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE
    -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE
    -I/home/mav/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt/mkspecs/linux-g++
    -I/home/mav/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt/src/tools/bootstrap
    -I../../../include -I../../../include/QtCore
    -I../../../include/QtXml -I. -o
    .obj/release-static-emb-arm/qglobal.o
    /home/mav/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt/src/corelib/global/qglobal.cpp
    In file included from ../../../include/QtCore/qsharedpointer_impl.h:1,
                      from
    ../../../include/QtCore/../../../../../qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt/src/corelib/tools/qsharedpointer.h:52,
                      from ../../../include/QtCore/qsharedpointer.h:1,
                      from
    ../../../include/QtCore/../../../../../qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt/src/corelib/tools/qdatetime.h:47,
                      from ../../../include/QtCore/qdatetime.h:1,
                      from
    /home/mav/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt/src/corelib/global/qglobal.cpp:49:
    ../../../include/QtCore/../../../../../qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt/src/corelib/tools/qsharedpointer_impl.h:
    In function 'QSharedPointer<X> qSharedPointerDynamicCast(const
    QSharedPointer<T>&)':
    ../../../include/QtCore/../../../../../qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt/src/corelib/tools/qsharedpointer_impl.h:745:
    error: 'dynamic_cast_not_allowed' was not declared in this scope
    ../../../include/QtCore/../../../../../qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt/src/corelib/tools/qsharedpointer_impl.h:745:
    error: expected primary-expression before '*' token
    ../../../include/QtCore/../../../../../qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt/src/corelib/tools/qsharedpointer_impl.h:745:
    error: expected primary-expression before '>' token
    make[2]: quittant le r?pertoire ?
    /home/mav/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/build/qtopiacore/target/src/tools/bootstrap
    ?
    make[1]: quittant le r?pertoire ?
    /home/mav/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/build/qtopiacore/target ?
    make[2]: *** [.obj/release-static-emb-arm/qglobal.o] Erreur 1
    make[1]: *** [sub-tools-bootstrap-make_default-ordered] Erreur 2
    *** Error

I googled this but no clue

Thanks for your help

Regards,

Yann
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From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Wed Jan 13 23:07:28 2010
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-1?q?R=FCb?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:07:28 +0100
Subject: Interactive password for PISI?
Message-ID: <201001132307.29180.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

Hi,

what about making passwords also interactive (e.g. if set to @interactive as for VCF file selection), so one can enter the password before sync and it does not need to be stored in clear text on the phone?

Another question about PISI - if I got it right it only copies contacts during sync and does not delete them, right? At least that was my experience using VCF <-> opimd.

It already is a great app - keep on the good work :)

Cheers,
 Christian


From openmoko at netapps.com.au  Wed Jan 13 23:40:47 2010
From: openmoko at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:40:47 +1100
Subject: RPN Calculator application available
Message-ID: <20100114094047.76444419@michael>

Hi All,

I made it my job in the last day to get a simple application written so here is my RPN calculator.

Blog post (with links): http://glitch.tl/mkrpn.html
Screen Shot: http://artifacts.glitch.tl/MKRPN-0.2-screenshot.png
Package: http://opkg.glitch.tl/mkrpn_0.2_arm.ipk
Source code: http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/mkrpn/

Its pretty simple at the moment and I am aware of a few bugs. I am posting this mainly so others can send back complaints, suggestions and feature requests.

Regards,
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From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Wed Jan 13 23:46:12 2010
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:46:12 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] Building QtMoko failed
In-Reply-To: <4B4D7235.3090202@free.fr>
References: <4B4D7235.3090202@free.fr>
Message-ID: <201001132346.12618.psonek2@seznam.cz>

Yann SLADEK wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> I wanted to start the french translation of QtMoko and wanted to build
> it, so I followed instructions here : http://qtmoko.org/wiki/Translations
> The configure step was fine but when I start make, I got the following
>
>     *** Error
> 
> I googled this but no clue

Hi Yann,
it can be problem that qt submodule is not in correct version. I had similar 
problem at work. You should check qt version if it matches the one in:

http://github.com/radekp/qt/tree/qtmoko-v15

You can do it by
cd qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt
git log

the last commit should match the one on web 
(a2eb181371609220d111db555da07ab32627ffca). If not you should somehow make it 
match (e.g. clone above git, checkout qtmoko-v17 branch and replace 
qtopiacore/qt with it).

Or if it still does not work please let me know.

Regards

Radek


From yann.sladek at free.fr  Wed Jan 13 08:13:56 2010
From: yann.sladek at free.fr (Yann SLADEK)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:13:56 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] Building QtMoko failed
Message-ID: <4B4D72B4.8060303@free.fr>

Hi there,

I wanted to start the french translation of QtMoko and wanted to build 
it, so I followed instructions here : http://qtmoko.org/wiki/Translations
The configure step was fine but when I start make, I got the following 
error :

    g++ -c -pipe -fno-rtti -fPIC -O2 -fPIC -Wall -W
    -DQT_QWS_DISABLE_FLUSHCLIPPING -DQT_NO_PLUGIN_CHECK
    -DQT_EXTERNAL_SOUND_SERVER -DQT_QWS_KEYEVENT_SINGLECLIENT
    -DMEDIA_SERVER -DQT_KEYPAD_NAVIGATION -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=0
    -DQT_QWS_DYNAMIC_TRANSFORMATION -DQT_QWS_CLIENTBLIT
    -DQT_BOOTSTRAPPED -DQT_LITE_UNICODE -DQT_NO_CAST_FROM_ASCII
    -DQT_NO_CAST_TO_ASCII -DQT_NO_CODECS -DQT_NO_DATASTREAM
    -DQT_NO_GEOM_VARIANT -DQT_NO_LIBRARY -DQT_NO_QOBJECT -DQT_NO_STL
    -DQT_NO_SYSTEMLOCALE -DQT_NO_TEXTSTREAM -DQT_NO_THREAD
    -DQT_NO_UNICODETABLES -DQT_NO_USING_NAMESPACE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE
    -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE
    -I/home/mav/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt/mkspecs/linux-g++
    -I/home/mav/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt/src/tools/bootstrap
    -I../../../include -I../../../include/QtCore
    -I../../../include/QtXml -I. -o
    .obj/release-static-emb-arm/qglobal.o
    /home/mav/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt/src/corelib/global/qglobal.cpp
    In file included from ../../../include/QtCore/qsharedpointer_impl.h:1,
                      from
    ../../../include/QtCore/../../../../../qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt/src/corelib/tools/qsharedpointer.h:52,
                      from ../../../include/QtCore/qsharedpointer.h:1,
                      from
    ../../../include/QtCore/../../../../../qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt/src/corelib/tools/qdatetime.h:47,
                      from ../../../include/QtCore/qdatetime.h:1,
                      from
    /home/mav/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt/src/corelib/global/qglobal.cpp:49:
    ../../../include/QtCore/../../../../../qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt/src/corelib/tools/qsharedpointer_impl.h:
    In function 'QSharedPointer<X> qSharedPointerDynamicCast(const
    QSharedPointer<T>&)':
    ../../../include/QtCore/../../../../../qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt/src/corelib/tools/qsharedpointer_impl.h:745:
    error: 'dynamic_cast_not_allowed' was not declared in this scope
    ../../../include/QtCore/../../../../../qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt/src/corelib/tools/qsharedpointer_impl.h:745:
    error: expected primary-expression before '*' token
    ../../../include/QtCore/../../../../../qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt/src/corelib/tools/qsharedpointer_impl.h:745:
    error: expected primary-expression before '>' token
    make[2]: quittant le r?pertoire ?
    /home/mav/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/build/qtopiacore/target/src/tools/bootstrap
    ?
    make[1]: quittant le r?pertoire ?
    /home/mav/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/build/qtopiacore/target ?
    make[2]: *** [.obj/release-static-emb-arm/qglobal.o] Erreur 1
    make[1]: *** [sub-tools-bootstrap-make_default-ordered] Erreur 2
    *** Error

I googled this but no clue

I use ubuntu 9.10 karmic, kernel 2.6.31-18
gcc version 4.4.1 (Ubuntu 4.4.1-4ubuntu9)

Thanks for your help

Regards,

Yann
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From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Thu Jan 14 00:06:10 2010
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?iso-8859-1?q?R=FCb?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:06:10 +0100
Subject: QCurrency - simple currency calculator
Message-ID: <201001140006.10807.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

Hi,

I made a simple currency calculator as I could not find any.
Feature:
 * can save excahnge rate :-)

Source:
http://git.senfdax.de/?p=qcurrency;a=summary

Package (SHR):
http://openmoko.senfdax.de/shr-new-unstable/qcurrency_0.1-r1.4_armv4t.ipk

Wiki:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QCurrency

Screenshot:
http://openmoko.senfdax.de/screenshots/qcurrency.png

Cheers,
 Christian


From openmoko at netapps.com.au  Thu Jan 14 02:02:18 2010
From: openmoko at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:02:18 +1100
Subject: QCurrency - simple currency calculator
In-Reply-To: <201001140006.10807.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
References: <201001140006.10807.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20100114120218.4faac8d8@michael>

On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:06:10 +0100
Christian R?b <christian.rueb at gmx.net> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I made a simple currency calculator as I could not find any.
> Feature:
>  * can save excahnge rate :-)

That looks like a great application. Now if only we could find a way to install lots of utilities without making the default application launcher impossible to use...

Regards,
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From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 02:05:00 2010
From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:05:00 -0800
Subject: QCurrency - simple currency calculator
In-Reply-To: <201001140006.10807.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
References: <201001140006.10807.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <f8d5d4f31001131705r5cc856cfw1874e9d3c3e5e0f2@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Christian R?b <christian.rueb at gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I made a simple currency calculator as I could not find any.
> Feature:
>  * can save excahnge rate :-)

i look forward to trying this out. may come in very handy during my
next trip overseas


From yann.sladek at free.fr  Thu Jan 14 02:41:06 2010
From: yann.sladek at free.fr (Yann SLADEK)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:41:06 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] Building QtMoko failed
In-Reply-To: <201001132346.12618.psonek2@seznam.cz>
References: <4B4D7235.3090202@free.fr> <201001132346.12618.psonek2@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <4B4E7632.7040309@free.fr>

Hi Radek,

here is the result from git log :

    mav at MavDesktop:~/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt$ git log
    commit a2eb181371609220d111db555da07ab32627ffca
    Author: Radek Polak <psonek2 at seznam.cz>
    Date:   Sun Dec 13 15:57:15 2009 +0100

So it matches with the last commit you mentioned

Regards,

Yann

     Fix compilation
> Yann SLADEK wrote:
>
>    
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I wanted to start the french translation of QtMoko and wanted to build
>> it, so I followed instructions here : http://qtmoko.org/wiki/Translations
>> The configure step was fine but when I start make, I got the following
>>
>>      *** Error
>>
>> I googled this but no clue
>>      
> Hi Yann,
> it can be problem that qt submodule is not in correct version. I had similar
> problem at work. You should check qt version if it matches the one in:
>
> http://github.com/radekp/qt/tree/qtmoko-v15
>
> You can do it by
> cd qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt
> git log
>
> the last commit should match the one on web
> (a2eb181371609220d111db555da07ab32627ffca). If not you should somehow make it
> match (e.g. clone above git, checkout qtmoko-v17 branch and replace
> qtopiacore/qt with it).
>
> Or if it still does not work please let me know.
>
> Regards
>
> Radek
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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From cchandel at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 14 03:18:17 2010
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:18:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <201001132123.59097.neo@el-hennig.de>
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<201001132123.59097.neo@el-hennig.de>
Message-ID: <1263435497718-4390243.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,

Petr Vanek wrote:
> 
> it would be great to find a good name for it + icon and
> include it in shr, it beats midory in performance big time 
> 
  Any suggestions? For the name and icon? 
  There shouldn't be much diff between midori and this browser since both
use webkit. Midori has a lot of functionality that this browser doesn't -
like bookmarks.
  OTOH, maybe this seems faster since it's lighter as of now.

Lars Hennig-2 wrote:
> 
> One question: How can I open a url while launching browser from a script
> or 
> command line? If there is no such function, could you add a parameter for 
> that?
> 
  There isn't any such function yet. I'll add this today.
 
  Also, What are the bare essential features required of a browser on the
FR?  I'm looking for suggestions from the community - to see what to add.
Thanks.
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From openmoko at netapps.com.au  Thu Jan 14 03:29:01 2010
From: openmoko at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:29:01 +1100
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <1263435497718-4390243.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<201001132123.59097.neo@el-hennig.de>
	<1263435497718-4390243.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <20100114132901.730e171b@michael>

On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:18:17 -0800 (PST)
c_c <cchandel at yahoo.com> wrote:
 
>   Also, What are the bare essential features required of a browser on the
> FR?  I'm looking for suggestions from the community - to see what to add.

Make it as light as possible. If you want bookmarks then keep them on a server somewhere as a list of links. Just make it browse pages.

Using Midori yesterday I wished for the ability to specify the size of all text on all pages. Most of the text renders much too large to be usable for me.

I don't normally need a traditional address field. URLs are better entered from a popup IMHO. Otherwise they are a waste of screen space.
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From cchandel at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 14 05:24:23 2010
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:24:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <20100114132901.730e171b@michael>
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<201001132123.59097.neo@el-hennig.de>
	<1263435497718-4390243.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100114132901.730e171b@michael>
Message-ID: <1263443063872-4390696.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,

Michael Smith-5 wrote:
> 
> If you want bookmarks then keep them on a server somewhere as a list of
> links. 
> 
  I was thinking of adding those to a sqlite db. Fast, simple, efficient.
  I keep my bookmarks as a html page (firefox bookmarks.html) and browse to
it to launch from.
  Maybe a similar list of html links on a local page as the startup page
will be nice to launch from.

Michael Smith-5 wrote:
> 
> Most of the text renders much too large to be usable for me.
> 
  Hmm. On this browser, I find the text relatively small. Hence the need to
zoom the page.

Michael Smith-5 wrote:
> 
> I don't normally need a traditional address field.
> 
  I agree. Do you feel comfortable with the current menu->url->url popup
window?

Thank you for your comments.

  I was also experimenting with the option to rotate the screen from the
browser menu. Seems to work fine most of the time for me.

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From openmoko at netapps.com.au  Thu Jan 14 05:37:06 2010
From: openmoko at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:37:06 +1100
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <1263443063872-4390696.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<201001132123.59097.neo@el-hennig.de>
	<1263435497718-4390243.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100114132901.730e171b@michael>
	<1263443063872-4390696.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <20100114153706.265cfdd6@michael>

On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:24:23 -0800 (PST)
c_c <cchandel at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> Michael Smith-5 wrote:
> > 
> > If you want bookmarks then keep them on a server somewhere as a list of
> > links. 
> > 
>   I was thinking of adding those to a sqlite db. Fast, simple, efficient.
>   I keep my bookmarks as a html page (firefox bookmarks.html) and browse to
> it to launch from.
>   Maybe a similar list of html links on a local page as the startup page
> will be nice to launch from.
> 
> Michael Smith-5 wrote:
> > 
> > Most of the text renders much too large to be usable for me.
> > 
>   Hmm. On this browser, I find the text relatively small. Hence the need to
> zoom the page.
> 
> Michael Smith-5 wrote:
> > 
> > I don't normally need a traditional address field.
> > 
>   I agree. Do you feel comfortable with the current menu->url->url popup
> window?
> 
> Thank you for your comments.
> 
>   I was also experimenting with the option to rotate the screen from the
> browser menu. Seems to work fine most of the time for me.

Sorry I was talking generally about web browsers. I have tried to
install elm_browser but I got these errors:

root at om-gta02 ~ $ opkg install http://elm-browser.googlecode.com/files/browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
Downloading http://elm-browser.googlecode.com/files/browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
Installing browser (1.0-r0.4) to root...
Collected errors:
 * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for browser:
	 *  libelementary-ver-pre-svn-05-0 (>= 0.0.0+svnr44424) *
	   edbus (>= 0.5.0.060+svnr44424) *  libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.3.0) *
	   libewebkit0 (>=
	   0.1+gitr0+3a5ee77664c898ed51a2b2d5759822f8c0a06472) *
	   libgthread-2.0-0 (>= 2.22.1) *  libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.6.20) *
	   libxml2 (>= 2.7.3) *  libcurl4 (>= 7.19.7) *  libgnutls26
	   (>= 2.4.2) *  libgcrypt11 (>= 1.4.1) *  libstdc++6 (>=
	   4.4.2) *  libgcc1 (>= 4.4.2) *  libc6 (>= 2.10) *  libcairo2
	   (>= 1.8.8) *  libpixman-1-0 (>= 0.17.3) *  libpng12-0 (>=
	   1.2.40) *  libfribidi0 (>= 0.19.2) *  libeet1 (>=
	   1.1.0+svnr44424) *  libglib-2.0-0 (>= 2.22.1) * 

I am running a version from October 10 2009 without subsequent updates. I assume that my problem is that I need to upgrade libraries.

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From vanous at penguin.cz  Thu Jan 14 08:21:34 2010
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:21:34 +0100
Subject: QCurrency - simple currency calculator
References: <201001140006.10807.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<20100114120218.4faac8d8@michael>
Message-ID: <20100114082134.6dbc2abb@vanek.robe.cz>

>That looks like a great application. Now if only we could find a way
>to install lots of utilities without making the default application
>launcher impossible to use...

not so elegant but working very well....: make launcher icons smaller

Petr



From vanous at penguin.cz  Thu Jan 14 08:26:10 2010
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:26:10 +0100
Subject: elm_browser initial release
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<201001132123.59097.neo@el-hennig.de>
	<1263435497718-4390243.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <20100114082610.17d92025@vanek.robe.cz>

>> it would be great to find a good name for it + icon and
>> include it in shr, it beats midory in performance big time 
>> 
>  Any suggestions? For the name and icon? 
>  There shouldn't be much diff between midori and this browser since
> both
>use webkit. Midori has a lot of functionality that this browser
>doesn't - like bookmarks.
>  OTOH, maybe this seems faster since it's lighter as of now.

it would be wise to keep it this way. midory takes over 20 seconds to
launch on freerunner. as someone pointed - you often need that long to
search for something.

>> command line? If there is no such function, could you add a
>> parameter for that?
>> 
>  There isn't any such function yet. I'll add this today.

:), need it too, to incorporate it into the system.

>  Also, What are the bare essential features required of a browser on
> the

keep it lite
toggle fullscreen
rotate the screen (not X), hopefully performance will stay
possibility to stop loading
toggle loading-displaying images 

fantastic job! ele-fant :)

Petr






From cchandel at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 14 09:00:27 2010
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:00:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <20100114082610.17d92025@vanek.robe.cz>
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<201001132123.59097.neo@el-hennig.de>
	<1263435497718-4390243.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100114082610.17d92025@vanek.robe.cz>
Message-ID: <1263456027371-4391242.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,

Petr Vanek wrote:
> 
> keep it lite
> 
  OK.

Petr Vanek wrote:
> 
> toggle fullscreen
> 
  Is it needed? I'm using the screen except for the illume slipshelf on top
- and even that shows the page title.
  If I did do so (the page title tells you what you're browsing and is
redundant in that sense) - how would I manage to do it in elementary.

Petr Vanek wrote:
> 
> rotate the screen (not X), hopefully performance will stay
> 
  :) How do I do that in elementary?

Petr Vanek wrote:
> 
> possibility to stop loading
> 
  Will add that under the menu.

Petr Vanek wrote:
> 
> toggle loading-displaying images 
> 
  Any ideas how webkit does that?

Thanks.
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From larsopoulsen at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 09:33:03 2010
From: larsopoulsen at gmail.com (lars poulsen)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:33:03 +0100
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <a012c69e1001140033x77d7f0c7n13e71c2f10db8bd6@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 6:28 PM, c_c <cchandel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> ?Here is a webkit-efl / elementary based browser.
>
> Features
>
> * finger scrolling
> * double-click to zoom in
> * triple click to zoom out (not working as of now - help needed)
> * layout optimised for max viewing space
>
> ?The code is available at elm-browser.googlecode.com
>
> ?The ipk for shr-u is available at
> http://elm-browser.googlecode.com/files/browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
>
> ?Feedback / feature requests are welcome.
> ?I don't know much about webkit/edje and hence need help with the following
> :-
>
> ?* Is there a bookmarking api in webkit ?
> ?* How do I make a webview transparent in webkit-efl ?
> ?* Evas triple click doesn't work. Any Ideas ?
> ?* Can and edje file alse provide signal callbacks if I use it through
> elementary layout ?
>
> Thanks and enjoy!
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> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>

This is great.
Please keep it light.
We have been missing a decent browser for so long. Dillo is great but
does not show all pages with success.

Bookmarks would be great.

regards,


From ml at vdm-design.de  Thu Jan 14 09:55:09 2010
From: ml at vdm-design.de (Thomas Zimmermann)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:55:09 +0100
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <1263456027371-4391242.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100114082610.17d92025@vanek.robe.cz>
	<1263456027371-4391242.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <201001140955.09247.ml@vdm-design.de>

Am Donnerstag 14 Januar 2010 09:00:27 schrieb c_c:
> Petr Vanek wrote:
> > toggle loading-displaying images
> 
>   Any ideas how webkit does that?

Don't know about ewebkit, but with webkit-gtk it's just setting 

	settings = webkit_web_view_get_settings(WEBKIT_WEB_VIEW(web_view));
 	g_object_set (	settings, "auto-load-images", active, NULL);
        webkit_web_view_set_settings (WEBKIT_WEB_VIEW(web_view),   
                                          WEBKIT_WEB_SETTINGS (settings));

> Thanks.
> 


From nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 14 10:27:50 2010
From: nielsheyvaert at hotmail.com (Niels Heyvaert)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:27:50 +0000
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <SNT127-W18F3D23C0FE0E9A60F3ABCB26A0@phx.gbl>


>
> Feedback / feature requests are welcome.

First of all: good stuff! Keep it up.

If it's not already the case, it would be interesting to be able to modify the useragent identifying the browser engine and version. Probably from a config file. This helps a lot if you want to browse websites which are "optimised" for certain browsers on mobile devices.

And as a general suggestion: keep it as simple and lightweight as possible.


Niels. 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
Windows 7: kijk live tv, rechtstreeks vanaf je laptop. Meer informatie.
http://windows.microsoft.com/windows-7

From Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl  Thu Jan 14 11:39:49 2010
From: Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl (Patryk Benderz)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:39:49 +0100
Subject: RPN Calculator application available
In-Reply-To: <20100114094047.76444419@michael>
References: <20100114094047.76444419@michael>
Message-ID: <1263465589.7298.1.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local>

[cut]
> Blog post (with links): http://glitch.tl/mkrpn.html
Hi Michael,
on your blog, there is a link to 0.3 version. I suppose this is testing?

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From openmoko at netapps.com.au  Thu Jan 14 11:51:56 2010
From: openmoko at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:51:56 +1100
Subject: RPN Calculator application available
In-Reply-To: <1263465589.7298.1.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local>
References: <20100114094047.76444419@michael>
	<1263465589.7298.1.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local>
Message-ID: <20100114215156.64f98712@michael>

On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:39:49 +0100
Patryk Benderz <Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl> wrote:

> [cut]
> > Blog post (with links): http://glitch.tl/mkrpn.html
> Hi Michael,
> on your blog, there is a link to 0.3 version. I suppose this is testing?

0.3 is the latest and the best. I kept working on it after I posted to the list. Please tell me how you go with it.

Regards,
-- 
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Network Applications
www.netapps.com.au   | +61 (0) 416 062 898
Web Hosting          | Internet Services


From Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl  Thu Jan 14 12:16:54 2010
From: Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl (Patryk Benderz)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:16:54 +0100
Subject: RPN Calculator application available
In-Reply-To: <20100114215156.64f98712@michael>
References: <20100114094047.76444419@michael>
	<1263465589.7298.1.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local>
	<20100114215156.64f98712@michael>
Message-ID: <1263467814.7298.4.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local>

[cut]
> 0.3 is the latest and the best. I kept working on it after I posted to
> the list. Please tell me how you go with it.
No go at all. I am not testing it, just putting an entry in Community
Updates to let people who do not read ML, know about your app. If you
say 0.3 is better, than I'll put it to CU.

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From openmoko at netapps.com.au  Thu Jan 14 12:23:58 2010
From: openmoko at netapps.com.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:23:58 +1100
Subject: RPN Calculator application available
In-Reply-To: <1263467814.7298.4.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local>
References: <20100114094047.76444419@michael>
	<1263465589.7298.1.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local>
	<20100114215156.64f98712@michael>
	<1263467814.7298.4.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local>
Message-ID: <20100114222358.67a4d64f@michael>

On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:16:54 +0100
Patryk Benderz <Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl> wrote:

> [cut]
> > 0.3 is the latest and the best. I kept working on it after I posted to
> > the list. Please tell me how you go with it.
> No go at all. I am not testing it, just putting an entry in Community
> Updates to let people who do not read ML, know about your app. If you
> say 0.3 is better, than I'll put it to CU.

Are you the contact for community updates? I plan to release new versions of this application and to develop others. I can point you to an RSS feed where I will post changes if that is a good way to work.
-- 
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Web Hosting          | Internet Services


From Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl  Thu Jan 14 13:00:44 2010
From: Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl (Patryk Benderz)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:00:44 +0100
Subject: RPN Calculator application available
In-Reply-To: <20100114222358.67a4d64f@michael>
References: <20100114094047.76444419@michael>
	<1263465589.7298.1.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local>
	<20100114215156.64f98712@michael>
	<1263467814.7298.4.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local>
	<20100114222358.67a4d64f@michael>
Message-ID: <1263470444.7298.9.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local>

[cut]
> Are you the contact for community updates?
partially yes, but I am not the only one. CU as it's name says are
written by many contributors (take a look on CU edit history if you want
details).
>  I plan to release new versions of this application and to develop
> others. I can point you to an RSS feed where I will post changes if
> that is a good way to work.
IMHO the best way would be to post RSS feed on this ML, so other CU
contributors could take advantage of it also.

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From evadim at evadim.ru  Thu Jan 14 14:49:41 2010
From: evadim at evadim.ru (Vadim, Efimov)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:49:41 +0300
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <1263443063872-4390696.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<201001132123.59097.neo@el-hennig.de>
	<1263435497718-4390243.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100114132901.730e171b@michael>
	<1263443063872-4390696.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <op.u6izc1mij0u8pj@silver.evadim.ru>

On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:24:23 +0300, c_c <cchandel at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Michael Smith-5 wrote:
>>
>> If you want bookmarks then keep them on a server somewhere as a list of
>> links.
>>
>   I was thinking of adding those to a sqlite db. Fast, simple, efficient.

May be Eet enough ? Sqlite ? +1 to deps, eet already in EFL.
http://watchwolf.fr/blog/index.php?post/2009/09/27/Sqlite-versus-Eet


From qmaster at rambler.ru  Thu Jan 14 16:26:12 2010
From: qmaster at rambler.ru (Vladimir Berezenko)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:26:12 +0300
Subject: literki update
In-Reply-To: <8b48b1570912252344s4daa1ccck7d05e2b8451315af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b48b1570912240223h9018719o9a997b526a8be24d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1261653471.24011.1.camel@Q-Masters>
	<8b48b1570912240558p223eb356q84e510b9e65e9a12@mail.gmail.com>
	<1261772316.11398.4.camel@Q-Masters>
	<8b48b1570912252344s4daa1ccck7d05e2b8451315af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1263482772.2871.4.camel@Q-Masters>

? ???, 26/12/2009 ? 08:44 +0100, Michal Brzozowski ?????:

> 
> I'm stupid, of course you can use 2 layouts. Just use a function key,
> like fn to switch between them.
> 
> Example:
> 
> (russian letter)
> key a b c d
> russian sth sth 
> 
> 
> (english letter)
> key v w x y
> normal sth sth
> 
> (switch)
> key j k l m
> normal sth $is_russian
> russian sth $is_russian

The problem is a bit bigger. I've tried to adopt layout conf to use
russian letters, but got stuck. There are lower case and upper case
letters. In english - everything is easy: normal and shift, but this
scheme prohibits of entering anything else then this. Seems that it
needs not such an easy method, but more complicated with switchable
layouts, not just Fn key.

-- 
WBR, Vladimir Berezenko



From rusolis at poczta.fm  Thu Jan 14 16:49:08 2010
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:49:08 +0100
Subject: literki update
In-Reply-To: <1263482772.2871.4.camel@Q-Masters>
References: <8b48b1570912240223h9018719o9a997b526a8be24d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1261653471.24011.1.camel@Q-Masters>
	<8b48b1570912240558p223eb356q84e510b9e65e9a12@mail.gmail.com>
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2010/1/14 Vladimir Berezenko <qmaster at rambler.ru>

> ? ???, 26/12/2009 ? 08:44 +0100, Michal Brzozowski ?????:
>
> >
> > I'm stupid, of course you can use 2 layouts. Just use a function key,
> > like fn to switch between them.
> >
> > Example:
> >
> > (russian letter)
> > key a b c d
> > russian sth sth
> >
> >
> > (english letter)
> > key v w x y
> > normal sth sth
> >
> > (switch)
> > key j k l m
> > normal sth $is_russian
> > russian sth $is_russian
>
> The problem is a bit bigger. I've tried to adopt layout conf to use
> russian letters, but got stuck. There are lower case and upper case
> letters. In english - everything is easy: normal and shift, but this
> scheme prohibits of entering anything else then this. Seems that it
> needs not such an easy method, but more complicated with switchable
> layouts, not just Fn key.
>
>
>
You can have as many layouts as you want. Right now there are 4 - normal,
shift, capslock, fn. So just add 2 more, like russian, russian_shift or
something.
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From Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl  Thu Jan 14 17:05:42 2010
From: Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl (Patryk Benderz)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:05:42 +0100
Subject: Happy New Year from FSO
In-Reply-To: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda>
References: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda>
Message-ID: <1263485142.7298.18.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local>

[cut]
> Let me also remind you that we have a PayPal account for donations,
> and
HI Mickey,
I was looking at 
> (1) http://www.ohloh.net/p/fso
but wasn't able to find PayPal account for FSO. Can you provide this
data? But don't get too excited, currently I need this for CU.
BTW, are you really only one person developing/rewriting FSO to Vala?

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From hersche at puzzle.ch  Thu Jan 14 17:10:56 2010
From: hersche at puzzle.ch (Vinzenz Hersche)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:10:56 +0100
Subject: pisi depenencies
Message-ID: <201001141710.56829.hersche@puzzle.ch>

hello all,

i just want to know if there's a package for python/syncml on desktop-pc's.. 
it's because of pisi:
skamster at skamster:~$ pisigui 
Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".
Configuring                                        
Starting synchronization                           
My configuration is:                               
        Mode is 0 - calendar                       
        In case of conflicts I use the following strategy: Skip
Reading configfile: /home/skamster/.pisi/conf                  
ics-module using file /home/skamster/cal.ics                   
Traceback (most recent call last):                             
  File "/usr/bin/pisigui", line 296, in startSync              
    source = pisi.importModules(configfolder,  config,  modulesToLoad,  
modulesNamesCombined, False)
  File "/opt/pisi/pisi.py", line 81, in importModules                                               
    exec "from modules import " + modulename + " as module"+i.__str__()                             
  File "<string>", line 1, in <module>                                                              
  File "/opt/pisi/modules/calendar_syncml.py", line 34, in <module>                                 
    import thirdparty.conduit.SyncmlModule as SyncmlModule   

i found nowhere something about this importet module. but if my idea is right 
(that sync on qtmoko works with syncml) it would be great, because then it's 
possible to sync all calendar- and contact-data betwen pc, web and moko.. :)

and i use sidux, but it's most time similiar to ubuntu (if someone know's 
where the right package is.. )

greets


From qmaster at rambler.ru  Thu Jan 14 17:06:22 2010
From: qmaster at rambler.ru (Vladimir Berezenko)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:06:22 +0300
Subject: literki update
In-Reply-To: <8b48b1571001140749x1dd32665qf3d9fc163b2568c5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b48b1570912240223h9018719o9a997b526a8be24d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1261653471.24011.1.camel@Q-Masters>
	<8b48b1570912240558p223eb356q84e510b9e65e9a12@mail.gmail.com>
	<1261772316.11398.4.camel@Q-Masters>
	<8b48b1570912252344s4daa1ccck7d05e2b8451315af@mail.gmail.com>
	<1263482772.2871.4.camel@Q-Masters>
	<8b48b1571001140749x1dd32665qf3d9fc163b2568c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1263485182.2871.7.camel@Q-Masters>

? ???, 14/01/2010 ? 16:49 +0100, Michal Brzozowski ?????: 
> You can have as many layouts as you want. Right now there are 4 -
> normal, shift, capslock, fn. So just add 2 more, like russian,
> russian_shift or something.

Ok. Might they be added in config or they also should be added in code?
I've seen that you're checking those "shift" thingies in code and add
them to "capslock". Is there any need to add also "alt" and "altshift"
there?



-- 
WBR, Vladimir Berezenko



From rusolis at poczta.fm  Thu Jan 14 17:28:26 2010
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:28:26 +0100
Subject: literki update
In-Reply-To: <1263485182.2871.7.camel@Q-Masters>
References: <8b48b1570912240223h9018719o9a997b526a8be24d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1261653471.24011.1.camel@Q-Masters>
	<8b48b1570912240558p223eb356q84e510b9e65e9a12@mail.gmail.com>
	<1261772316.11398.4.camel@Q-Masters>
	<8b48b1570912252344s4daa1ccck7d05e2b8451315af@mail.gmail.com>
	<1263482772.2871.4.camel@Q-Masters>
	<8b48b1571001140749x1dd32665qf3d9fc163b2568c5@mail.gmail.com>
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2010/1/14 Vladimir Berezenko <qmaster at rambler.ru>

> ? ???, 14/01/2010 ? 16:49 +0100, Michal Brzozowski ?????:
> > You can have as many layouts as you want. Right now there are 4 -
> > normal, shift, capslock, fn. So just add 2 more, like russian,
> > russian_shift or something.
>
> Ok. Might they be added in config or they also should be added in code?
> I've seen that you're checking those "shift" thingies in code and add
> them to "capslock". Is there any need to add also "alt" and "altshift"
> there?
>
>
>
I don't think you need to change the code, at least it was designed so that
you don't have to. Where am I checking shift and capslock in the code?
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From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 17:29:44 2010
From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:29:44 -0800
Subject: QCurrency - simple currency calculator
In-Reply-To: <201001140006.10807.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
References: <201001140006.10807.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <f8d5d4f31001140829tf417a9y16dea67b179345bc@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Christian R?b <christian.rueb at gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I made a simple currency calculator as I could not find any.
> Feature:
> ?* can save excahnge rate :-)

looks good so far. i like the big buttons, nice for punching numbers
when walking.
only one thing that is pointing its self out. now that i can save the
rate i wish i could save multiple rates. 2-4 maybe...  perhaps
accessible through one button that you hit multiple times to cycle
through the saved rates.

really nice application though. this will be used!


From giacomomariani at yahoo.it  Thu Jan 14 17:48:32 2010
From: giacomomariani at yahoo.it (giacomo `giotti` mariani)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:48:32 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] Request for developers
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3630.1263486637.14033.community@lists.openmoko.org>
References: <mailman.3630.1263486637.14033.community@lists.openmoko.org>
Message-ID: <4B4F4AE0.1090500@yahoo.it>

Hello guys,
I know you are working for free and, indeed, very well

My problem is that I can't use any VoIP with QtMoko and this is drawing
me crazy.
This is the reason I suggest you to consider http://www.qutecom.org/ for
the inclusion in the distribution.
Reading the document page I see that it uses Qt4 library with Cmake that
is a "super" QMake <http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/qmake-manual.html> and,
looking at http://trac.qutecom.org/wiki/OWBuildIntro, the porting looks
possible for you, but not for me.

Anyway, thank you very much

PS qspectemu is awesome!

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From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 17:50:58 2010
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:50:58 +0100
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <1263456027371-4391242.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<201001132123.59097.neo@el-hennig.de> 
	<1263435497718-4390243.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100114082610.17d92025@vanek.robe.cz> 
	<1263456027371-4391242.post@n2.nabble.com>
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On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 09:00, c_c <cchandel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Petr Vanek wrote:
>>
>> keep it lite
>>
> ?OK.
>
> Petr Vanek wrote:
>>
>> toggle fullscreen
>>
> ?Is it needed? I'm using the screen except for the illume slipshelf on top
> - and even that shows the page title.
> ?If I did do so (the page title tells you what you're browsing and is
> redundant in that sense) - how would I manage to do it in elementary.
>
> Petr Vanek wrote:
>>
>> rotate the screen (not X), hopefully performance will stay
>>
> ?:) How do I do that in elementary?
>
> Petr Vanek wrote:
>>
>> possibility to stop loading
>>
> ?Will add that under the menu.
>
> Petr Vanek wrote:
>>
>> toggle loading-displaying images
>>
> ?Any ideas how webkit does that?
>
> Thanks.

About "how do i do that in elementary": elm_win_fullscreen_set IIRC.
And for rotating: look at elementary_tests, it's there ;)

-- 
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dos


From qmaster at rambler.ru  Thu Jan 14 17:45:13 2010
From: qmaster at rambler.ru (Vladimir Berezenko)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:45:13 +0300
Subject: literki update
In-Reply-To: <8b48b1571001140828v412376e3y94ba9826cdaa259d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b48b1570912240223h9018719o9a997b526a8be24d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1261653471.24011.1.camel@Q-Masters>
	<8b48b1570912240558p223eb356q84e510b9e65e9a12@mail.gmail.com>
	<1261772316.11398.4.camel@Q-Masters>
	<8b48b1570912252344s4daa1ccck7d05e2b8451315af@mail.gmail.com>
	<1263482772.2871.4.camel@Q-Masters>
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	<1263485182.2871.7.camel@Q-Masters>
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? ???, 14/01/2010 ? 17:28 +0100, Michal Brzozowski ?????: 

> I don't think you need to change the code, at least it was designed so
> that you don't have to. Where am I checking shift and capslock in the
> code? 

keymap.cpp:80

if (first == "shift" && action!="capslock")
    keys[GetFunId("capslock")].push_back(k); 

-- 
WBR, Vladimir Berezenko



From mickey at vanille-media.de  Thu Jan 14 18:02:55 2010
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:02:55 +0100
Subject: Happy New Year from FSO
In-Reply-To: <1263485142.7298.18.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local>
References: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda>
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Am Donnerstag, den 14.01.2010, 17:05 +0100 schrieb Patryk Benderz:
> [cut]
> > Let me also remind you that we have a PayPal account for donations,
> > and
> HI Mickey,
> I was looking at 
> > (1) http://www.ohloh.net/p/fso
> but wasn't able to find PayPal account for FSO.

Our paypal address is coreteam at freesmartphone.org -- this goes to the
whole FSO core team.

> BTW, are you really only one person developing/rewriting FSO to Vala?

Unfortunately yes, after Openmoko stopped funding us, my colleagues
started diving into their studies to finish those (which is a good
thing) -- so for the 6 months, I have been Mr. Lone Rider ... and due to
Vala's immaturity it has been a wild ride :)

In the last 6 months, I worked roughly 60 hours per week on FSO2. Thanks
to my wife having a full-time-job, I could do this without causing any
financial trouble. 

I really believe in the APIs and the architecture we have with FSO1, so
I just had to work so much to get the critical mass done, in order to
get more people on board then.

This year will be different, as I have some other contracts to work on
non-FOSS. We're still trying to gather any FSO-based jobs, but with us
lacking a showcase on (non-Openmoko) hardware, it's very tough.

Don't get me wrong, I love the FreeRunner as it got the whole movement
going, but if FSO wants to have a chance to survive, it's vital to
finding newer platforms.

Cheers,

-- 
:M:



From rakshat at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 18:22:52 2010
From: rakshat at gmail.com (rakshat hooja)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:52:52 +0530
Subject: Happy New Year from FSO
In-Reply-To: <1263488575.22868.78.camel@andromeda>
References: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda>
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>
> Don't get me wrong, I love the FreeRunner as it got the whole movement
> going, but if FSO wants to have a chance to survive, it's vital to
> finding newer platforms.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> :M:
>
>
Not really new hardware but have you seen Rafeal's attempt to get FSO
working on the hardware that compulab exeda is based on. He should still
have the compulab developer kit we gave him around. He is planning to shift
to Brazil so in case you want the kit I will check with him if he can ship
it to you

http://openblog.methril.net/2008/09/first-openmoko-image.html

http://www.compulab.co.il/exeda/html/exeda-datasheet.htm

Rakshat
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From rusolis at poczta.fm  Thu Jan 14 18:25:55 2010
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:25:55 +0100
Subject: literki update
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2010/1/14 Vladimir Berezenko <qmaster at rambler.ru>

> ? ???, 14/01/2010 ? 17:28 +0100, Michal Brzozowski ?????:
>
> > I don't think you need to change the code, at least it was designed so
> > that you don't have to. Where am I checking shift and capslock in the
> > code?
>
> keymap.cpp:80
>
> if (first == "shift" && action!="capslock")
>    keys[GetFunId("capslock")].push_back(k);
>
>
> Ok, sorry, I forgot about it (it's been a while since I've written that
part).

The capslock mode is special in the sense that it copies all keys from the
shift mode. That's what these 2 lines do. It's so that you don't have to
define every single key in the capslock mode.

The thing that's special about the shift mode is that it returns to normal
mode after a key is pressed. It's impossible to define this purely in the
layout file atm. So your shift_russian mode wouldn't have that property.
This is implemented in the lines 106-108 and 134-137 in keymap.cpp.

So you can change line 107 to sth like if (f == "shift" || f ==
"shift_russian") and it will work. Or just check if the prefix is "shift".

Unfortunately I'm not able to fix this now in the general case (I'll be
travelling for the next few months). If you have an idea for a fix (so you
can define the keep_fun property in the layout file), feel free to release a
new version. I'll be available via email every once in a while if you have
questions, but I might not be reading this list.
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From rusolis at poczta.fm  Thu Jan 14 18:31:16 2010
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:31:16 +0100
Subject: Happy New Year from FSO
In-Reply-To: <1263488575.22868.78.camel@andromeda>
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2010/1/14 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <mickey at vanille-media.de>

> In the last 6 months, I worked roughly 60 hours per week on FSO2. Thanks
> to my wife having a full-time-job, I could do this without causing any
> financial trouble.
>
>
Wow! You are amazing. Thanks for doing this, I'm sure it will pay off in the
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From omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org  Thu Jan 14 18:38:41 2010
From: omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org (omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:38:41 +0100
Subject: Happy New Year from FSO
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On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:31:16 +0100
Michal Brzozowski <rusolis at poczta.fm> wrote:

> 2010/1/14 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <mickey at vanille-media.de>
> 
> > In the last 6 months, I worked roughly 60 hours per week on FSO2. Thanks
> > to my wife having a full-time-job, I could do this without causing any
> > financial trouble.
> >
> >
> Wow! You are amazing. Thanks for doing this, I'm sure it will pay off in the
> future.
> 

I agree with Micha? - your commitment is amazing!


From cchandel at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 14 18:51:06 2010
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:51:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <c30e08171001140850w38146e92te11bd5966ddd08bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Hi,

Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
> 
> About "how do i do that in elementary": elm_win_fullscreen_set IIRC.
> And for rotating: look at elementary_tests, it's there ;)
> 
  Well, here's another release. Changes :-

 * zoom out added to menu
 * stop loading page added to menu
 * bookmarks added - I'm using sqlite as of now
 * rotation added - the changeover takes time to complete and it's weird
though cause the slip shelf and keyboard are still the 'right' way
 * ability to change user agent added (but not tested)
 
http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4394197/browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk 
 
  As usual - feedback is welcome.

Thanks.
-- 
View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/elm-browser-initial-release-tp4357081p4394197.html
Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.


From mickey at vanille-media.de  Thu Jan 14 19:07:55 2010
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:07:55 +0100
Subject: Happy New Year from FSO
In-Reply-To: <69a2e4551001140922p42bd58c6u58bff69665f49b40@mail.gmail.com>
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Am Donnerstag, den 14.01.2010, 22:52 +0530 schrieb rakshat hooja:
> Not really new hardware but have you seen Rafeal's attempt to get FSO
> working on the hardware that compulab exeda is based on. He should
> still have the compulab developer kit we gave him around. He is
> planning to shift to Brazil so in case you want the kit I will check
> with him if he can ship it to you

Sure, if he no longer is using it, I'd like to have a look at it.

Regards,

-- 
:M:



From brolin at brolin.be  Thu Jan 14 19:08:10 2010
From: brolin at brolin.be (Brolin Empey)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:08:10 -0800
Subject: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests
	and personality /in person/?
In-Reply-To: <70c3ee931001061204s2b2e8e27jc5282548cd14e85@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d30d40f10909101312q6cbd303cw3edf5ffa2fa4c2db@mail.gmail.com>	<d30d40f10911120643g6d831dcct37f32b530c6f72dc@mail.gmail.com>	<d30d40f10911301447g134cde48i8e59a4da2d5ccde8@mail.gmail.com>	<d30d40f11001012001u266fc20al8c8d1b0d391b060e@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4B4F5D8A.7000009@brolin.be>

Ben Cadieux wrote:
> Hi Brolin,
>
> Just a few things to remember:
>
> 1. This list is public; these posts will remain available through
> search engines for quite some time.

Yes, I realise this.  I explicated this realisation in my original post:

?Can anyone relate to me?  What should I do?  I know I have volunteered 
a lot of personal information in this post, but much of it is already 
publicly accessible for those who know my real/legal name and know how 
to use tools such as Google Search.  I have been considering writing a 
post like this for months (maybe already >1 year), but I ended up 
stopping writing early because I felt uncomfortable about volunteering 
so much personal information.  What do I have to lose, though?  I need 
to stop being so self-conscious.?

>  You have posted many details that
> may cause you trouble or embarrassment in the future.

Can you provide some specific examples, other than saying I want to fuck 
Tamara, which should not surprise her since she already knew that?  I 
know some people think I should not have mentioned her (full) name in 
such a context, but it is too late now.

I do not think I have posted anything (very) embarrassing.  I also do 
not think members of this list want to embarrass me.  Most of the 
members who have replied appear to want to help me, not embarrass me.  I 
guess you were probably referring to details which could cause 
embarrassment if read by someone who found them via a search engine. 
However, I am not concerned about embarrassment because I believe I have 
nothing to lose by volunteering the personal information in my previous 
posts.  For example, I would not have met Alishams if I never posted my 
original message in this thread.
>
> 2. Think about what others need to know, or would like to know, before
> writing.  Brevity both in writing and speech is important.  You don't
> want to annoy or bore others with irrelevant information, nor seem
> boring by giving away all your thoughts.

Brolin?s verbose mode is always on! ;)
>
> All the best to you and your endeavours :)
>
> Best Regards,
> Ben Cadieux

I finally realised why your name seems familiar:  you are the author of 
WDe.  I e-mailed you about WDe in 2006. :)


From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Thu Jan 14 20:52:25 2010
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:52:25 +0000
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <1263491466223-4394197.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
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	<1263491466223-4394197.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <201001141952.25519.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Thursday 14 January 2010, c_c wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
> > About "how do i do that in elementary": elm_win_fullscreen_set IIRC.
> > And for rotating: look at elementary_tests, it's there ;)
> 
>   Well, here's another release. Changes :-
> 
>  * zoom out added to menu
>  * stop loading page added to menu
>  * bookmarks added - I'm using sqlite as of now
>  * rotation added - the changeover takes time to complete and it's weird
> though cause the slip shelf and keyboard are still the 'right' way
>  * ability to change user agent added (but not tested)

Very nice :-) Works well with the squeezeserver nokia770 theme when rotated. 
Mythweb is a little odd, but I've not looked into why. Dropdown lists don't 
seem to work so I can't select the mobile zimbra interface, but other than 
that the default interface seems to work!

I see what you mean about the rotation being weird. It seems to need a restart 
after the orientation change before it occupies the correct area too. i could 
see the menu button after changing from portrait to landscape but it wouldn't 
function, and the render width didn't appear to have changed, leaving the old 
image of the buttons from the settings dialog on screen. Conversely when going 
from landscape to portrait the buttons were usable, but further from the 
bottom than expected, and the bottom portion of the screen wasn't being used.

The first time I added a bookmark it segfaulted, but the bookmark was present 
when I restarted the browser. I haven't been able to reproduce this though, 
and the second bookmark added without problems.

> http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4394197/browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
> browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk

I had to remove then reinstall before I got the new version. --force-reinstall 
left me with the old one. 

>   As usual - feedback is welcome.
> 
> Thanks.
> 



From vanous at penguin.cz  Thu Jan 14 21:04:22 2010
From: vanous at penguin.cz (Petr Vanek)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:04:22 +0100
Subject: elm_browser initial release
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
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	<20100114082610.17d92025@vanek.robe.cz>
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> * zoom out added to menu
> * stop loading page added to menu
> * bookmarks added - I'm using sqlite as of now
> * rotation added - the changeover takes time to complete and it's
> weird
>though cause the slip shelf and keyboard are still the 'right' way
> * ability to change user agent added (but not tested)

working very well. i would almost tend to say "no more features to keep
it fast"

A few bugs: 
Rotation issue has already been reported.
The show images doesn't work seems to me. 
Also the Start Page is not taken into account yet.
Commandline url not accepted yet.

thank you
Petr



From yann.sladek at free.fr  Thu Jan 14 21:51:45 2010
From: yann.sladek at free.fr (Yann SLADEK)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:51:45 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] Building QtMoko failed
In-Reply-To: <201001132346.12618.psonek2@seznam.cz>
References: <4B4D7235.3090202@free.fr> <201001132346.12618.psonek2@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <4B4F83E1.2020805@free.fr>

Hi Radek,

So the last commit seems to be the same but I also tried to use the last 
branch
Here are commands :

     mav at MavDesktop:~/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/qtmoko/qtopiacore$ rm -rf qt
     mav at MavDesktop:~/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/qtmoko/qtopiacore$ git clone 
git://github.com/radekp/qt.git

     mav at MavDesktop:~/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/build$ ../qtmoko/configure 
-device neo -D _FORTIFY_SOURCE=0 -confirm-license -add-language fr_FR
     mav at MavDesktop:~/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/build$ make

And then the same error..
Tell me if something was wrong

Thanks for your help

> Yann SLADEK wrote:
>
>    
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I wanted to start the french translation of QtMoko and wanted to build
>> it, so I followed instructions here : http://qtmoko.org/wiki/Translations
>> The configure step was fine but when I start make, I got the following
>>
>>      *** Error
>>
>> I googled this but no clue
>>      
> Hi Yann,
> it can be problem that qt submodule is not in correct version. I had similar
> problem at work. You should check qt version if it matches the one in:
>
> http://github.com/radekp/qt/tree/qtmoko-v15
>
> You can do it by
> cd qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt
> git log
>
> the last commit should match the one on web
> (a2eb181371609220d111db555da07ab32627ffca). If not you should somehow make it
> match (e.g. clone above git, checkout qtmoko-v17 branch and replace
> qtopiacore/qt with it).
>
> Or if it still does not work please let me know.
>
> Regards
>
> Radek
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>    



From brolin at brolin.be  Thu Jan 14 21:53:02 2010
From: brolin at brolin.be (Brolin Empey)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:53:02 -0800
Subject: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests
	and personality /in person/?
In-Reply-To: <20100107112650.f49444eb.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org>
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omcomali.rhn at porcupinefactory.org wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:00:19 +0100
> Fabian Sch?lzel<fabian.schoelzel at googlemail.com>  wrote:
>
> ---snip---
>
>> You also said, that he could run into trouble because of the things he writes
>> here. Well, that may be. Myself i think, only people, that are not able to
>> deal with that amount of info and openness, would generate trouble out of this
>> writings. I don't really see, where one can be too open and honest about
>> himself. Is that really possible? We are all human beings, why would we want
>> to hide parts of our existence? Why would we want to let taboos about what to
>> say and what not to say stay? If someone don't want to read some specific
>> stuff, then he should go on and do not read it. If someone (in 10 years for
>> example) will make decisions or estimations on the basis of Brolins writings
>> here and now - well, as i said, that may happen. Often people say "imagine
>> they google you and don't give you a job". I would say: "Gladly, Brolin don't
>> have to work and talk with people, who are just lost in the age of
>> information."
>>
>
> I approach this in a slightly differrent manner.
> I believe that one should not be completely open to strangers and should leave some knowledge about him/her only to people he/she cares about. Being able to know someone more than others do is a gift you could give your colleagues (they know more then a stranger), your friends (you know some of your thoughts), your relatives (they know your daily life) and so on. I personally find it nice if someone shows that I'm important to her/him by sharing more of that knowledge with me.
>
> That are also a few other reasons to not talk about oneself that I won't share with Google's caches as Google is not someone I know ;)

I do not think your approach makes sense because even my closest friends 
were once strangers.  If I had never talked to Andrew Williamson in 
elementary school in 1995, we would probably not have become friends. 
One of us must have initially approached the other for the first time, 
though, and we are still closest friends 15 years later because one of 
us decided to approach someone who was a stranger at the time.  Granted, 
we were 8 at the time:  I guess children are less afraid of their peers 
than adults are afraid of their peers.  I am now almost 23, but I am 
still too afraid and/or shy to talk to many strangers because I know 
nothing about them.  I think online/virtual communities are a good way 
to learn about people before meeting them in person.  This is how I met 
Alishams:  if he had not written his long reply to my original message 
in this thread, I probably would have been less comfortable if I met him 
in person because I would not have known anything about him other than 
his sex, estimated age, and physical appearance.


From kichkasch at gmx.de  Thu Jan 14 21:56:29 2010
From: kichkasch at gmx.de (Michael Pilgermann)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:56:29 +0100
Subject: pisi depenencies
In-Reply-To: <201001141710.56829.hersche@puzzle.ch>
References: <201001141710.56829.hersche@puzzle.ch>
Message-ID: <4B4F84FD.5080603@gmx.de>

Hi Vinzenz,

in fact, Syncml support is fully implemented in PISI already; however, I
haven't yet managed to get all the required libs into PISI - that's why
it's not yet in the release (and commented in the config file).

The file you are asking for is in the repos
(http://github.com/kichkasch/pisi/blob/master/thirdparty/conduit/SyncmlModule.py)
already; however, this again will depend on 'pysyncml', which in turn
depends on syncmllib ...

On my desktop I have successfully used the module already ... hope, I
(or somebody) can create and apply a recipe for SHR from libsyncml
(https://libsyncml.opensync.org/) soon ... off we would go then ...

As temporary solution for your desktop:
1) Install libsyncml (download sources from link given above) with
required deps (something with xml and another one)
2) Extract the attached archive to '/opt/pisi/thirdparty'


3) give me feedback ;) ... good luck!

Michael


On 01/14/2010 05:10 PM, Vinzenz Hersche wrote:
> hello all,
> 
> i just want to know if there's a package for python/syncml on desktop-pc's.. 
> it's because of pisi:
> skamster at skamster:~$ pisigui 
> Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".
> Configuring                                        
> Starting synchronization                           
> My configuration is:                               
>         Mode is 0 - calendar                       
>         In case of conflicts I use the following strategy: Skip
> Reading configfile: /home/skamster/.pisi/conf                  
> ics-module using file /home/skamster/cal.ics                   
> Traceback (most recent call last):                             
>   File "/usr/bin/pisigui", line 296, in startSync              
>     source = pisi.importModules(configfolder,  config,  modulesToLoad,  
> modulesNamesCombined, False)
>   File "/opt/pisi/pisi.py", line 81, in importModules                                               
>     exec "from modules import " + modulename + " as module"+i.__str__()                             
>   File "<string>", line 1, in <module>                                                              
>   File "/opt/pisi/modules/calendar_syncml.py", line 34, in <module>                                 
>     import thirdparty.conduit.SyncmlModule as SyncmlModule   
> 
> i found nowhere something about this importet module. but if my idea is right 
> (that sync on qtmoko works with syncml) it would be great, because then it's 
> possible to sync all calendar- and contact-data betwen pc, web and moko.. :)
> 
> and i use sidux, but it's most time similiar to ubuntu (if someone know's 
> where the right package is.. )
> 
> greets
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

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From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Thu Jan 14 22:05:45 2010
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?utf-8?q?R=C3=BCb?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:05:45 +0100
Subject: QCurrency - simple currency calculator
In-Reply-To: <f8d5d4f31001140829tf417a9y16dea67b179345bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201001140006.10807.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<f8d5d4f31001140829tf417a9y16dea67b179345bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001142205.46285.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

Am Donnerstag, 14. Januar 2010 schrieb jeremy jozwik:
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Christian R?b <christian.rueb at gmx.net> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I made a simple currency calculator as I could not find any.
> > Feature:
> >  * can save excahnge rate :-)
> 
> looks good so far. i like the big buttons, nice for punching numbers
> when walking.
> only one thing that is pointing its self out. now that i can save the
> rate i wish i could save multiple rates. 2-4 maybe...  perhaps
> accessible through one button that you hit multiple times to cycle
> through the saved rates.
> 
> really nice application though. this will be used!

Thanks. I knew this question would come up ;-)

I have different ideas (store and select different exchange rates, get rates over internet, ...).

The reason I wrote it - I am travelling in Febuary. So new features will not come until March...

Cheers,
 Christian

PS: does anyone know a good API for C++ to get exchange rates?


From brolin at brolin.be  Thu Jan 14 22:15:16 2010
From: brolin at brolin.be (Brolin Empey)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:15:16 -0800
Subject: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests
	and personality /in person/?
In-Reply-To: <d0da135f1001070338q524c3895idf873f2bd8f0aa8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d30d40f10909101312q6cbd303cw3edf5ffa2fa4c2db@mail.gmail.com>	<d30d40f11001012001u266fc20al8c8d1b0d391b060e@mail.gmail.com>	<70c3ee931001061204s2b2e8e27jc5282548cd14e85@mail.gmail.com>	<201001062300.19412.fabian.schoelzel@googlemail.com>	<20100107112650.f49444eb.omcomali.rhn@porcupinefactory.org>
	<d0da135f1001070338q524c3895idf873f2bd8f0aa8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4F8964.8090302@brolin.be>

Fabian Sch?lzel wrote:
> Hi rhn,
>
> i understand your point of view. Everybody should do as he wish. But i
> think if somebody wants to give that gift to everybody, he should be
> "allowed" to do so, while others are free to say "no thanks, i don't
> want to know". For my self, i think it is some kind of different to
> your way, but in the end, it comes out the same. The people that know
> me most, are the people i like most. That is so, because i spend more
> time with people i like, therefore i talk more with them than others.
> That is why they know more (or/and deeper). I would tell others the
> same stories and infos about me, in the same deepness - if they are
> interested. The topic and the deepness will change with the people and
> they're interests, of course.
>
> But then again, "teh interwebs" is different. One can be as verbose as
> he likes, and others can read what they like.

I agree with you, Fabian.  However, I think you should use ?he or she? 
instead of using masculine pronouns as if they were sex/gender-neutral. 
  This subject is covered in Ellen Spertus?s 1991 paper titled ?Why are 
There so Few Female Computer Scientists??:

<http://people.mills.edu/spertus/Gender/pap/pap.html>


From brolin at brolin.be  Thu Jan 14 22:39:45 2010
From: brolin at brolin.be (Brolin Empey)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:39:45 -0800
Subject: incorrect message dates (was Re: New project openmokontrol)
In-Reply-To: <1286243705.27437.10.camel@work.bsdmn.ru>
References: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<1286243705.27437.10.camel@work.bsdmn.ru>
Message-ID: <4B4F8F21.2000304@brolin.be>

Gennady,

Your clock is set to 2010-10 instead of 2010-01.  Please correct your clock.

Thanks,
Brolin

-- 
Sometimes I forget how to do small talk: <http://xkcd.com/222/>

?If you have to ask why, you?re not a member of the intended audience.? 
? Bob Zimbinski, <http://webpages.mr.net/bobz/ttyquake/>


From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 22:52:19 2010
From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:52:19 -0800
Subject: QCurrency - simple currency calculator
In-Reply-To: <201001142205.46285.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
References: <201001140006.10807.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<f8d5d4f31001140829tf417a9y16dea67b179345bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001142205.46285.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <f8d5d4f31001141352m2fe7c1a1x70bb70085f87996f@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Christian R?b <christian.rueb at gmx.net> wrote:
> Thanks. I knew this question would come up ;-)
>
> I have different ideas (store and select different exchange rates, get rates over internet, ...).
>
> The reason I wrote it - I am travelling in Febuary. So new features will not come until March...

february you say...  hope your not taking cathay pacific! [traveling
then too, hence my sudden extreme interest in this application]


From fabian.schoelzel at googlemail.com  Thu Jan 14 23:09:55 2010
From: fabian.schoelzel at googlemail.com (Fabian =?windows-1252?q?Sch=F6lzel?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:09:55 +0100
Subject: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests
	and personality /in person/?
In-Reply-To: <4B4F8964.8090302@brolin.be>
References: <d30d40f10909101312q6cbd303cw3edf5ffa2fa4c2db@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0da135f1001070338q524c3895idf873f2bd8f0aa8c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4F8964.8090302@brolin.be>
Message-ID: <201001142309.55319.fabian.schoelzel@googlemail.com>

On Thursday 14. January 2010 22:15:16, Brolin Empey Empey wrote:
> I agree with you, Fabian.  However, I think you should use ?he or she?
> instead of using masculine pronouns as if they were sex/gender-neutral.

I had a bad feeling when writing this. :) My mother tongue is german, so i 
think this is translated badly. In Germany, we have a phrase "Jeder wie er 
mag.", wich would be "Everybody how he likes." in word-for-word translation. 
Would "One should do as one likes." be better?

"Guten Abend und sch?ne Gr??e!" ;)
Fabian


From christian.rueb at gmx.net  Thu Jan 14 23:10:06 2010
From: christian.rueb at gmx.net (Christian =?utf-8?q?R=C3=BCb?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:10:06 +0100
Subject: QCurrency - simple currency calculator
In-Reply-To: <f8d5d4f31001141352m2fe7c1a1x70bb70085f87996f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201001140006.10807.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<201001142205.46285.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<f8d5d4f31001141352m2fe7c1a1x70bb70085f87996f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001142310.06376.christian.rueb@gmx.net>

> > The reason I wrote it - I am travelling in Febuary. So new features will not come until March...
> 
> february you say...  hope your not taking cathay pacific! [traveling
> then too, hence my sudden extreme interest in this application]

No, different airline ;-)

If you need to change the rate, you can edit .config/QCurrency/QCurrency.conf, or write a simple script (sed...) to set your value there...
You could even use coordinates to set proper rate for the country you are in ;-)


From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Thu Jan 14 23:41:56 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:41:56 +0000
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49dd78621001141441g659154f6lcd475535ed46ddf4@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/8 Timo Jyrinki <timo.jyrinki at gmail.com>:
>
> If you want to have a quick grab of the new kernel for Debian (or any
> distro that loads uImage from a file), I put my compilation of kernel
> and modules to http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/moko/kernel_20100108_nodebug_nopreempt/

I've just installed Timo's kernel from
http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/moko/kernel_20100108_nodebug_nopreempt/uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_oma-andy-2a04ce8203d7d0f1.bin,
and indeed it does feel a lot snappier.  Even more so when I remember
to switch frameworkd logging back from DEBUG to WARNING :-).

But I noticed two apparent changes/regressions.

1. The openmoko-panel-plugin battery icon doesn't notice changes to
the battery charging state.  I can force it to notice by clicking on
the icon, but it doesn't notice itself.  I guess that means that the
dbus signals for charging status are not working.

2. My habitual finger presses on the screen don't always register.  Is
it possible that this new kernel has a less sensitive touchscreen
configuration than my previous kernel?

My previous kernel was the Debian 2.6.28 one:
uImage.bin-2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26.

Any comments?

Thanks,
       Neil


From methril at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 23:56:23 2010
From: methril at gmail.com (Rafael Campos)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:56:23 +0100
Subject: Happy New Year from FSO
In-Reply-To: <1263492475.22868.80.camel@andromeda>
References: <1262439082.709.77.camel@andromeda>
	<1263485142.7298.18.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local> 
	<1263488575.22868.78.camel@andromeda>
	<69a2e4551001140922p42bd58c6u58bff69665f49b40@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1263492475.22868.80.camel@andromeda>
Message-ID: <b84dee3a1001141456w6e4e5ea2rdd7cf07f21212095@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, i'm the silent man here ;)

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
<mickey at vanille-media.de> wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, den 14.01.2010, 22:52 +0530 schrieb rakshat hooja:
>> Not really new hardware but have you seen Rafeal's attempt to get FSO
>> working on the hardware that compulab exeda is based on. He should
>> still have the compulab developer kit we gave him around. He is
>> planning to shift to Brazil so in case you want the kit I will check
>> with him if he can ship it to you
>
> Sure, if he no longer is using it, I'd like to have a look at it.
>
As i told to rakshat, i sent the board with other electronic devices
to Brazil, i hope to have it there in 60 days (aprox. as It's
traveling by ship).

Michael, it would be a pleasure to get more effort on it once i have
it in Brazil. If i receive in time to come back in April, i would sent
you if you are still interested and i didn't do any progress ;)

> Regards,
>
Regards,
> --
> :M:
>
>



-- 
___________
Rafael Campos
o0 Methril 0o
http://openblog.methril.net/


From ben.cadieux at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 01:13:05 2010
From: ben.cadieux at gmail.com (Ben Cadieux)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:13:05 -0800
Subject: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests 
	and personality /in person/?
In-Reply-To: <4B4F5D8A.7000009@brolin.be>
References: <d30d40f10909101312q6cbd303cw3edf5ffa2fa4c2db@mail.gmail.com>
	<d30d40f10911120643g6d831dcct37f32b530c6f72dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<d30d40f10911301447g134cde48i8e59a4da2d5ccde8@mail.gmail.com>
	<d30d40f11001012001u266fc20al8c8d1b0d391b060e@mail.gmail.com>
	<70c3ee931001061204s2b2e8e27jc5282548cd14e85@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4F5D8A.7000009@brolin.be>
Message-ID: <70c3ee931001141613x79be785ax88e8b50c45f603b3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Brolin,

> Can you provide some specific examples, other than saying I want to fuck
> Tamara, which should not surprise her since she already knew that? ?I
> know some people think I should not have mentioned her (full) name in
> such a context, but it is too late now.

I was referring to that comment more than most others.

> However, I am not concerned about embarrassment because I believe I have
> nothing to lose by volunteering the personal information in my previous
> posts. ?For example, I would not have met Alishams if I never posted my
> original message in this thread.

I wasn't suggesting not posting at all, simply being more cautious :)

> I finally realised why your name seems familiar: ?you are the author of
> WDe. ?I e-mailed you about WDe in 2006. :)

Hah!  What a strange coincidence!  I live in the Lower Mainland too, by the way.

You mentioned difficulty talking to strangers.  You were able to
message me out of the blue about WDe - apply that example to your
personal life.  Find some common ground.  Someone else mentioned
volunteering to meet people.  If you volunteer doing something you
care about, you immediately have some common ground to start talking
with other volunteers - they are likely there because they care about
the same things.

Best Regards,
Ben Cadieux


From brolin at brolin.be  Fri Jan 15 01:22:57 2010
From: brolin at brolin.be (Brolin Empey)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:22:57 -0800
Subject: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests
	and personality /in person/?
In-Reply-To: <201001142309.55319.fabian.schoelzel@googlemail.com>
References: <d30d40f10909101312q6cbd303cw3edf5ffa2fa4c2db@mail.gmail.com>	<d0da135f1001070338q524c3895idf873f2bd8f0aa8c@mail.gmail.com>	<4B4F8964.8090302@brolin.be>
	<201001142309.55319.fabian.schoelzel@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4FB561.2020504@brolin.be>

Fabian Sch?lzel wrote:
> On Thursday 14. January 2010 22:15:16, Brolin Empey Empey wrote:
>> I agree with you, Fabian.  However, I think you should use ?he or she?
>> instead of using masculine pronouns as if they were sex/gender-neutral.
>
> I had a bad feeling when writing this. :) My mother tongue is german, so i
> think this is translated badly. In Germany, we have a phrase "Jeder wie er
> mag.", wich would be "Everybody how he likes." in word-for-word translation.
> Would "One should do as one likes." be better?

Yes, or ?One should do as he or she likes.?.


From cchandel at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 15 01:30:38 2010
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:30:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <20100114210422.09b2a60a@vanek.robe.cz>
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<201001132123.59097.neo@el-hennig.de>
	<1263435497718-4390243.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100114082610.17d92025@vanek.robe.cz>
	<1263456027371-4391242.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<c30e08171001140850w38146e92te11bd5966ddd08bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1263491466223-4394197.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100114210422.09b2a60a@vanek.robe.cz>
Message-ID: <401105.29679.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>





      The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/

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From cchandel at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 15 01:53:00 2010
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:53:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <20100114210422.09b2a60a@vanek.robe.cz>
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<201001132123.59097.neo@el-hennig.de>
	<1263435497718-4390243.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100114082610.17d92025@vanek.robe.cz>
	<1263456027371-4391242.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<c30e08171001140850w38146e92te11bd5966ddd08bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1263491466223-4394197.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100114210422.09b2a60a@vanek.robe.cz>
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Hi,

Petr Vanek wrote:
> 
> working very well. i would almost tend to say "no more features to keep
> it fast"
> 
  I would agree :)

Petr Vanek wrote:
> 
> Rotation issue has already been reported.
> 
  It takes a little while and refreshing the window by going to another apps
window and bck seems to help. I'll have to experiment with it a bit - or set
it as a post-restart kind of a config.

Petr Vanek wrote:
> 
> The show images doesn't work seems to me. 
> 
  It's a place holder for now. The webkit-efl port doesn't seem to expose
the settings part. I'll try it directly with the webkit API.

Petr Vanek wrote:
> 
> Also the Start Page is not taken into account yet.
> 
  Ahhhh! I missed that.

Petr Vanek wrote:
> 
> Commandline url not accepted yet.
> 
  Haven't added it yet. Soon.

Thanks for all the ideas and suggestions.

  Need a name and icon too!

Thanks.
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From denis.johnson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 03:20:26 2010
From: denis.johnson at gmail.com (Denis Johnson)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:20:26 +1000
Subject: AW: New project openmokontrol
In-Reply-To: <4B4C9F9B.8050308@gmail.com>
References: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<20607da11001042024x6aaa3542td0bf6a0ac2347f3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<359c5481001042113x53341c1xd1afcd65b3b9b340@mail.gmail.com>
	<20607da11001120111q73aced7csa654412ace175035@mail.gmail.com>
	<861808.48859.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<4B4C9F9B.8050308@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20607da11001141820n1309ea03w9abfe35349eb41b3@mail.gmail.com>

Any progress on NIDED being available ? I still can't find it.

cheers Denis

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 2:13 AM, David Wagner <deubeuliou at gmail.com> wrote:
> hab keen oh ne a ?crit :
>> You could extrakt the ipkg file and move the binary to /usr/bin. Otherwise you could install the debian package, which should soon be available in the Hackable:1 feeds.
>>
>
> It will be available tomorrow at
> http://build.hackable1.org/debian/dists/wip/main/binary-armel/ (and for
> some other archs too)
>
> I tested it, it's awesome :D
>
> David
>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> Von: Denis Johnson <denis.johnson at gmail.com>
>> An: List for Openmoko community discussion <community at lists.openmoko.org>
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 12. Januar 2010, 10:11:15 Uhr
>> Betreff: Re: New project openmokontrol
>>
>> Any idea if it is possible or how I can install this on QTMoko V16 ?
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Nicola Mfb <nicola.mfb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> You may try
>>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NIDE/NIDED
>>> Regards
>>> ? ? ?Niko
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


From KichKasch at gmx.de  Fri Jan 15 08:30:32 2010
From: KichKasch at gmx.de (Michael Pilgermann)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:30:32 +0100
Subject: pisi depenencies
In-Reply-To: <201001150017.12499.hersche@puzzle.ch>
References: <201001141710.56829.hersche@puzzle.ch> <4B4F84FD.5080603@gmx.de>
	<201001150017.12499.hersche@puzzle.ch>
Message-ID: <20100115073032.35110@gmx.net>

Good morning Vinzenz,

I think, I did not fully understand you question - I am noticing that now. It's not about PISI in particular, but more about how I integrated the syncml thing ...??

Well - let me start this way: It was a pain in the ass! Honestly. Libs are really rare - and documentation is even "rarer". 
I tried a few of them - ending up with an alpha branch of Conduit (http://live.gnome.org/Conduit). In the sources I found some unstable code for syncing against Syncml (http://git.gnome.org/browse/conduit/tree/conduit/modules/SyncmlModule?h=syncml). I applied some changes and integrated that into PISI (http://github.com/kichkasch/pisi/tree/master/thirdparty/conduit/).

I am still not sure, how you exactly want to integrate with libsyncml ... but I hope, this helps a bit.
As I said: from a Desktop I can sucessfully sync against Syncml-Server (here Mobical) with PISI.

Best
Michael


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:17:12 +0100
> Von: Vinzenz Hersche <hersche at puzzle.ch>
> An: Michael Pilgermann <kichkasch at gmx.de>
> Betreff: Re: pisi depenencies

> hey michael,
> 
> i've installed the last version of libsyncml, but it doesn't work (but i
> don't 
> know, if qtopia really use syncml..)
> 
> the ouput from telnet is this:
> 
> skamster at skamster:~$ telnet 192.168.0.203 4245
> Trying 192.168.0.203...
> Connected to 192.168.0.203.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 220 Qtopia 
> 4.4.3;challenge={b7203c47-06bf-4878-9ff5-6afffb2db546};loginname=root;displayname=;protocol=2;system=Qtopia;model=Uncustomized
> Device;hexversion=263171;datasets=calendar contacts tasks
> CALLB QD/QDSync forwardedMessage(QString,QString,QByteArray) 
> AAAAHABRAEQALwBRAHQAbwBwAGkAYQA0AFMAeQBuAGMAAAAaAGMAbABpAGUAbgB0AEUAcgByAG8AcgAoACn/////
> Connection closed by foreign host.
> skamster at skamster:~$
> 
> i didn't do others testing, but one little thing i've seen.. by
> self-compiling 
> librarys the name is libsyncml.so.2, not libsyncml.so.0 ... may this helps
> you 
> to make this module more stable?
> 
> ah, and it didn't work with the libsyncml in version 4.6 (which was in my
> repo 
> ;) )
> 
> i will test the rest later.. but thanks for the mail.. :)
> 
> vinzenz
> 
> -----------------------------------------------
> Michael schrieb am Donnerstag 14 Januar 2010:
> Hi Vinzenz,
> 
> in fact, Syncml support is fully implemented in PISI already; however, I
> haven't yet managed to get all the required libs into PISI - that's why
> it's not yet in the release (and commented in the config file).
> 
> The file you are asking for is in the repos
> (http://github.com/kichkasch/pisi/blob/master/thirdparty/conduit/SyncmlModule.py)
> already; however, this again will depend on 'pysyncml', which in turn
> depends on syncmllib ...
> 
> On my desktop I have successfully used the module already ... hope, I
> (or somebody) can create and apply a recipe for SHR from libsyncml
> (https://libsyncml.opensync.org/) soon ... off we would go then ...
> 
> As temporary solution for your desktop:
> 1) Install libsyncml (download sources from link given above) with
> required deps (something with xml and another one)
> 2) Extract the attached archive to '/opt/pisi/thirdparty'
> 
> 
> 3) give me feedback ;) ... good luck!
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> On 01/14/2010 05:10 PM, Vinzenz Hersche wrote:
> > hello all,
> > 
> > i just want to know if there's a package for python/syncml on
> desktop-pc's.. 
> > it's because of pisi:
> > skamster at skamster:~$ pisigui 
> > Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".
> > Configuring                                        
> > Starting synchronization                           
> > My configuration is:                               
> >         Mode is 0 - calendar                       
> >         In case of conflicts I use the following strategy: Skip
> > Reading configfile: /home/skamster/.pisi/conf                  
> > ics-module using file /home/skamster/cal.ics                   
> > Traceback (most recent call last):                             
> >   File "/usr/bin/pisigui", line 296, in startSync              
> >     source = pisi.importModules(configfolder,  config,  modulesToLoad,  
> > modulesNamesCombined, False)
> >   File "/opt/pisi/pisi.py", line 81, in importModules                   
>                            
> >     exec "from modules import " + modulename + " as module"+i.__str__() 
>                            
> >   File "<string>", line 1, in <module>                                  
>                            
> >   File "/opt/pisi/modules/calendar_syncml.py", line 34, in <module>     
>                            
> >     import thirdparty.conduit.SyncmlModule as SyncmlModule   
> > 
> > i found nowhere something about this importet module. but if my idea is 
> right 
> > (that sync on qtmoko works with syncml) it would be great, because then
> it's 
> > possible to sync all calendar- and contact-data betwen pc, web and
> moko.. :)
> > 
> > and i use sidux, but it's most time similiar to ubuntu (if someone
> know's 
> > where the right package is.. )
> > 
> > greets
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


From beniwtv at relamp.tk  Fri Jan 15 09:32:18 2010
From: beniwtv at relamp.tk (=?UTF-8?Q?Benedikt_B=C3=A4r?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:32:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: pisi depenencies
In-Reply-To: <4B4F84FD.5080603@gmx.de>
References: <201001141710.56829.hersche@puzzle.ch> <4B4F84FD.5080603@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <1263544338004-4397526.post@n2.nabble.com>


There's already a package in SHR-U for libsyncml/libsyncml2 [1]

I requested it for PISI some time ago :)

BTW: When I tried it (haven't upgraded since), everything worked just fine
(and still does!).

Benedikt

[1] http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/


kichkasch wrote:
> 
> Hi Vinzenz,
> 
> in fact, Syncml support is fully implemented in PISI already; however, I
> haven't yet managed to get all the required libs into PISI - that's why
> it's not yet in the release (and commented in the config file).
> 
> The file you are asking for is in the repos
> (http://github.com/kichkasch/pisi/blob/master/thirdparty/conduit/SyncmlModule.py)
> already; however, this again will depend on 'pysyncml', which in turn
> depends on syncmllib ...
> 
> On my desktop I have successfully used the module already ... hope, I
> (or somebody) can create and apply a recipe for SHR from libsyncml
> (https://libsyncml.opensync.org/) soon ... off we would go then ...
> 
> As temporary solution for your desktop:
> 1) Install libsyncml (download sources from link given above) with
> required deps (something with xml and another one)
> 2) Extract the attached archive to '/opt/pisi/thirdparty'
> 
> 
> 3) give me feedback ;) ... good luck!
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> On 01/14/2010 05:10 PM, Vinzenz Hersche wrote:
>> hello all,
>> 
>> i just want to know if there's a package for python/syncml on
>> desktop-pc's.. 
>> it's because of pisi:
>> skamster at skamster:~$ pisigui 
>> Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".
>> Configuring                                        
>> Starting synchronization                           
>> My configuration is:                               
>>         Mode is 0 - calendar                       
>>         In case of conflicts I use the following strategy: Skip
>> Reading configfile: /home/skamster/.pisi/conf                  
>> ics-module using file /home/skamster/cal.ics                   
>> Traceback (most recent call last):                             
>>   File "/usr/bin/pisigui", line 296, in startSync              
>>     source = pisi.importModules(configfolder,  config,  modulesToLoad,  
>> modulesNamesCombined, False)
>>   File "/opt/pisi/pisi.py", line 81, in importModules                                               
>>     exec "from modules import " + modulename + " as module"+i.__str__()                             
>>   File "<string>", line 1, in <module>                                                              
>>   File "/opt/pisi/modules/calendar_syncml.py", line 34, in <module>                                 
>>     import thirdparty.conduit.SyncmlModule as SyncmlModule   
>> 
>> i found nowhere something about this importet module. but if my idea is
>> right 
>> (that sync on qtmoko works with syncml) it would be great, because then
>> it's 
>> possible to sync all calendar- and contact-data betwen pc, web and moko..
>> :)
>> 
>> and i use sidux, but it's most time similiar to ubuntu (if someone know's 
>> where the right package is.. )
>> 
>> greets
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
> 
>  
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> 
> 

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From cchandel at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 15 10:14:08 2010
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:14:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: elm_browser NEW release 15 Jan
In-Reply-To: <1263516780125-4396406.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<201001132123.59097.neo@el-hennig.de>
	<1263435497718-4390243.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100114082610.17d92025@vanek.robe.cz>
	<1263456027371-4391242.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<c30e08171001140850w38146e92te11bd5966ddd08bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1263491466223-4394197.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100114210422.09b2a60a@vanek.robe.cz>
	<1263516780125-4396406.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1263546848074-4397665.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,

  Here's the new version. Changes :-
 * Rotation issue still exists - but behaves better 
 * Start Page works
 * Command line url is accepted (needs full http://yourpage.com)

Caveats

 * After the browser becomes full screen, there's no way to revert back
since the settings page is not shown. I'll change the menu to cater for
this.
 * Haven't yet figured out how to access the webkit settings.

  Enjoy!  http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4397665/browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk 
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From hersche at puzzle.ch  Fri Jan 15 10:23:44 2010
From: hersche at puzzle.ch (Vinzenz Hersche)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:23:44 +0100
Subject: Fwd: Re: pisi depenencies (because of forgot to send in the list)
Message-ID: <201001151023.44322.hersche@puzzle.ch>

hello michael,

are you german (becuase of the e-mail)? if yes, i am swiss(german) ;)

it was about pisi.. but i solved this problem 10 minutes later by checking out 
your git-repo ;)

first i searched it in google.. because of the name i've thinked, it's a 
python-package and it isn't in your project..

mh, to explain it clearer.. maybe you tried the diffrent apps in qtmoko.. there 
is a app "synchronisation".. this app starts a little server (like sshd or so) 
and i've thinked,it's using syncml.. or maybe.. so i tried it, but it wasn't 
work.

i know now (it was a long night yesterday, till 2:30 ;) ) that, at least the 
old qtopia-versions are using the opie-standart 
(http://opie.handhelds.org/cgi-
bin/moin.cgi/OpieSyncProtocol?action=highlight&value=qtopia)

there is also a plugin for opensync (https://svn.opensync.org/plugins/qtopia4-
sync/src/qtopia4_plugin.cpp) but its developement seems stoped.. and last, but 
not least, there's qtopia-pimsync 
(https://code.launchpad.net/~saschpe/+junk/qtopia-pimsync) which is maybe 
usefull for code-examples but you need to emulate a qtopia-device or so to run 
the app..

i hope, you understand my idea a little bit better.. it was my mistake to 
belive, qtmoko use syncml.. but if you're able to use the qtmoko-sync-app on 
desktopside, it would be a really nice thing.. :)

vinzenz
-----------------------------------------------
Michael schrieb am Freitag 15 Januar 2010:
Good morning Vinzenz,

I think, I did not fully understand you question - I am noticing that now. 
It's not about PISI in particular, but more about how I integrated the syncml 
thing ...??

Well - let me start this way: It was a pain in the ass! Honestly. Libs are 
really rare - and documentation is even "rarer". 
I tried a few of them - ending up with an alpha branch of Conduit 
(http://live.gnome.org/Conduit). In the sources I found some unstable code for 
syncing against Syncml 
(http://git.gnome.org/browse/conduit/tree/conduit/modules/SyncmlModule?h=syncml). 
I applied some changes and integrated that into PISI 
(http://github.com/kichkasch/pisi/tree/master/thirdparty/conduit/).

I am still not sure, how you exactly want to integrate with libsyncml ... but 
I hope, this helps a bit.
As I said: from a Desktop I can sucessfully sync against Syncml-Server (here 
Mobical) with PISI.

Best
Michael


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:17:12 +0100
> Von: Vinzenz Hersche <hersche at puzzle.ch>
> An: Michael Pilgermann <kichkasch at gmx.de>
> Betreff: Re: pisi depenencies

> hey michael,
> 
> i've installed the last version of libsyncml, but it doesn't work (but i
> don't 
> know, if qtopia really use syncml..)
> 
> the ouput from telnet is this:
> 
> skamster at skamster:~$ telnet 192.168.0.203 4245
> Trying 192.168.0.203...
> Connected to 192.168.0.203.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 220 Qtopia 
> 
4.4.3;challenge={b7203c47-06bf-4878-9ff5-6afffb2db546};loginname=root;displayname=;protocol=2;system=Qtopia;model=Uncustomized
> Device;hexversion=263171;datasets=calendar contacts tasks
> CALLB QD/QDSync forwardedMessage(QString,QString,QByteArray) 
> 
AAAAHABRAEQALwBRAHQAbwBwAGkAYQA0AFMAeQBuAGMAAAAaAGMAbABpAGUAbgB0AEUAcgByAG8AcgAoACn/////
> Connection closed by foreign host.
> skamster at skamster:~$
> 
> i didn't do others testing, but one little thing i've seen.. by
> self-compiling 
> librarys the name is libsyncml.so.2, not libsyncml.so.0 ... may this helps
> you 
> to make this module more stable?
> 
> ah, and it didn't work with the libsyncml in version 4.6 (which was in my
> repo 
> ;) )
> 
> i will test the rest later.. but thanks for the mail.. :)
> 
> vinzenz
> 
> -----------------------------------------------
> Michael schrieb am Donnerstag 14 Januar 2010:
> Hi Vinzenz,
> 
> in fact, Syncml support is fully implemented in PISI already; however, I
> haven't yet managed to get all the required libs into PISI - that's why
> it's not yet in the release (and commented in the config file).
> 
> The file you are asking for is in the repos
> 
(http://github.com/kichkasch/pisi/blob/master/thirdparty/conduit/SyncmlModule.py)
> already; however, this again will depend on 'pysyncml', which in turn
> depends on syncmllib ...
> 
> On my desktop I have successfully used the module already ... hope, I
> (or somebody) can create and apply a recipe for SHR from libsyncml
> (https://libsyncml.opensync.org/) soon ... off we would go then ...
> 
> As temporary solution for your desktop:
> 1) Install libsyncml (download sources from link given above) with
> required deps (something with xml and another one)
> 2) Extract the attached archive to '/opt/pisi/thirdparty'
> 
> 
> 3) give me feedback ;) ... good luck!
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> On 01/14/2010 05:10 PM, Vinzenz Hersche wrote:
> > hello all,
> > 
> > i just want to know if there's a package for python/syncml on
> desktop-pc's.. 
> > it's because of pisi:
> > skamster at skamster:~$ pisigui 
> > Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".
> > Configuring                                        
> > Starting synchronization                           
> > My configuration is:                               
> >         Mode is 0 - calendar                       
> >         In case of conflicts I use the following strategy: Skip
> > Reading configfile: /home/skamster/.pisi/conf                  
> > ics-module using file /home/skamster/cal.ics                   
> > Traceback (most recent call last):                             
> >   File "/usr/bin/pisigui", line 296, in startSync              
> >     source = pisi.importModules(configfolder,  config,  modulesToLoad,  
> > modulesNamesCombined, False)
> >   File "/opt/pisi/pisi.py", line 81, in importModules                   
>                            
> >     exec "from modules import " + modulename + " as module"+i.__str__() 
>                            
> >   File "<string>", line 1, in <module>                                  
>                            
> >   File "/opt/pisi/modules/calendar_syncml.py", line 34, in <module>     
>                            
> >     import thirdparty.conduit.SyncmlModule as SyncmlModule   
> > 
> > i found nowhere something about this importet module. but if my idea is 
> right 
> > (that sync on qtmoko works with syncml) it would be great, because then
> it's 
> > possible to sync all calendar- and contact-data betwen pc, web and
> moko.. :)
> > 
> > and i use sidux, but it's most time similiar to ubuntu (if someone
> know's 
> > where the right package is.. )
> > 
> > greets
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Fri Jan 15 10:31:30 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:31:30 +0000
Subject: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests 
	and personality /in person/?
In-Reply-To: <4B4FB561.2020504@brolin.be>
References: <d30d40f10909101312q6cbd303cw3edf5ffa2fa4c2db@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0da135f1001070338q524c3895idf873f2bd8f0aa8c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4F8964.8090302@brolin.be>
	<201001142309.55319.fabian.schoelzel@googlemail.com>
	<4B4FB561.2020504@brolin.be>
Message-ID: <49dd78621001150131t78d9a60ao25697b8ddbcb3104@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/15 Brolin Empey <brolin at brolin.be>:
> Fabian Sch?lzel wrote:
>> On Thursday 14. January 2010 22:15:16, Brolin Empey Empey wrote:
>>> I agree with you, Fabian. ?However, I think you should use ?he or she?
>>> instead of using masculine pronouns as if they were sex/gender-neutral.
>>
>> I had a bad feeling when writing this. :) My mother tongue is german, so i
>> think this is translated badly. In Germany, we have a phrase "Jeder wie er
>> mag.", wich would be "Everybody how he likes." in word-for-word translation.
>> Would "One should do as one likes." be better?
>
> Yes, or ?One should do as he or she likes.?.

Or use "they":
"People can do as they like"
"Each person can do as they like"
"Everyone can do as they like"

In my view using "they" is the most natural form for "he or she", and
it seems to be very widely used for that now.

    Neil


From pike-openmoko at kw.nl  Fri Jan 15 10:55:37 2010
From: pike-openmoko at kw.nl (pike)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:55:37 +0100
Subject: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests
	and personality /in person/?
In-Reply-To: <49dd78621001150131t78d9a60ao25697b8ddbcb3104@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d30d40f10909101312q6cbd303cw3edf5ffa2fa4c2db@mail.gmail.com>	<d0da135f1001070338q524c3895idf873f2bd8f0aa8c@mail.gmail.com>	<4B4F8964.8090302@brolin.be>	<201001142309.55319.fabian.schoelzel@googlemail.com>	<4B4FB561.2020504@brolin.be>
	<49dd78621001150131t78d9a60ao25697b8ddbcb3104@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B503B99.1080201@kw.nl>

Hi

>> Yes, or ?One should do as he or she likes.?.

> Or use "they":
> "People can do as they like"

I usually use s/he.

I wish there was a form
for his/er (her/is), too...

$2c,
*-pike


From timo.jyrinki at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 10:55:36 2010
From: timo.jyrinki at gmail.com (Timo Jyrinki)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:55:36 +0200
Subject: literki update
In-Reply-To: <49dd78620912271016p6eab63ccq5ca33d05369f81be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b48b1570912240223h9018719o9a997b526a8be24d@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b48b1570912240306t6a3407aay1758ef1b5de64e6b@mail.gmail.com>
	<49dd78620912271016p6eab63ccq5ca33d05369f81be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68da43e01001150155n1cc559dds5b383673c3d790fb@mail.gmail.com>

>> And here you can find the source code (thanks to Christof and Christian):
>> http://git.senfdax.de/?p=literki;a=summary

I switched from matchbox-keyboard to literki yesterday evening on
Debian. I wanted just the keyboard, so I patched it to remove
everything else especially as those elements seemed to somehow block
other items I liked to click.

Furthermore, I added ?, ? and ? letters and did some other mods. Put
them now quickly at http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/moko/literki_mods/

Thanks for the work, it's quite nice improvement over
matchbox-keyboard at least. Of course there have been other options as
well but I've been too lazy to try others out before this.

-Timo


From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Fri Jan 15 11:04:13 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:04:13 +0000
Subject: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests 
	and personality /in person/?
In-Reply-To: <4B503B99.1080201@kw.nl>
References: <d30d40f10909101312q6cbd303cw3edf5ffa2fa4c2db@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0da135f1001070338q524c3895idf873f2bd8f0aa8c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4F8964.8090302@brolin.be>
	<201001142309.55319.fabian.schoelzel@googlemail.com>
	<4B4FB561.2020504@brolin.be>
	<49dd78621001150131t78d9a60ao25697b8ddbcb3104@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B503B99.1080201@kw.nl>
Message-ID: <49dd78621001150204u4e3869dcmce2907f21247d756@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/15 pike <pike-openmoko at kw.nl>:
> Hi
>
>>> Yes, or ?One should do as he or she likes.?.
>
>> Or use "they":
>> "People can do as they like"
>
> I usually use s/he.
>
> I wish there was a form
> for his/er (her/is), too...

There is.  It's "their".

(I think that rather supports my suggestion; don't you?)

      Neil


From klemmster at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 11:20:09 2010
From: klemmster at gmail.com (Richy)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:20:09 +0100 (CET)
Subject: elm_browser NEW release 15 Jan
In-Reply-To: <1263546848074-4397665.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <g4gtj0iujsvnuexfegUYAxe124vaj_firegpg@mail.gmail.com>

love this.
It now works with evopedia, too, just more usable than before :)

As usual, keep it up!

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:14, c_c &lt;cchandel at yahoo.com&gt; wrote:

Hi,

 &nbsp;Here's the new version. Changes :-
&nbsp;* Rotation issue still exists - but behaves better
&nbsp;* Start Page works
&nbsp;* Command line url is accepted (needs full http://yourpage.com)

Caveats

&nbsp;* After the browser becomes full screen, there's no way to revert back
since the settings page is not shown. I'll change the menu to cater for
this.
&nbsp;* Haven't yet figured out how to access the webkit settings.

 &nbsp;Enjoy! &nbsp;http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4397665/browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
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From daniele.athome at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 12:21:38 2010
From: daniele.athome at gmail.com (daniele_athome)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:21:38 +0100
Subject: [SHR][PATCH-rev44960] Fix for edje dragable parts not working
Message-ID: <d3183d4b1001150321h78585db5l6ed239b74c42ced3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi list.
In recent shr-unstable builds, there is a bug that involves all
dragable parts (sliders, toggles, idle screen slider, etc.): they
always return to zero/off.

This bug has been there for about a week, and SHR team says that in a
day or two they will bump EFL to revision 45060, which fixes that bug.
In the meantime, because the fix is very small (just 2 function calls,
a little change), I recompiled the revision of the Edje library used
by shr, patched with that fix, and tested on shr-unstable.

You can find the patch to the source code attached, and here is the
stripped library:
http://www.casaricci.it/binaries/libedje-ver-pre-svn-05.so.0.9.93

Just place it in /usr/lib while X is down :-)

Bye
-- 
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From dscaini at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 12:24:44 2010
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:24:44 +0100
Subject: [SHR][PATCH-rev44960] Fix for edje dragable parts not working
In-Reply-To: <d3183d4b1001150321h78585db5l6ed239b74c42ced3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3183d4b1001150321h78585db5l6ed239b74c42ced3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18db98c81001150324k7d063778k471069dbf268edb7@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:21 PM, daniele_athome
<daniele.athome at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi list.
> In recent shr-unstable builds, there is a bug that involves all
> dragable parts (sliders, toggles, idle screen slider, etc.): they
> always return to zero/off.
>
> This bug has been there for about a week, and SHR team says that in a
> day or two they will bump EFL to revision 45060, which fixes that bug.
> In the meantime, because the fix is very small (just 2 function calls,
> a little change), I recompiled the revision of the Edje library used
> by shr, patched with that fix, and tested on shr-unstable.
>
> You can find the patch to the source code attached, and here is the
> stripped library:
> http://www.casaricci.it/binaries/libedje-ver-pre-svn-05.so.0.9.93
>
> Just place it in /usr/lib while X is down :-)
>
> Bye
> --
> daniele_athome
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
>
I think rev 45060 is in the feeds now... (i upgraded this morning...) check
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From daniele.athome at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 12:39:38 2010
From: daniele.athome at gmail.com (daniele_athome)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:39:38 +0100
Subject: [SHR][PATCH-rev44960] Fix for edje dragable parts not working
In-Reply-To: <d3183d4b1001150321h78585db5l6ed239b74c42ced3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3183d4b1001150321h78585db5l6ed239b74c42ced3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d3183d4b1001150339r6311566dhbd8347924289a282@mail.gmail.com>

I've just upgraded SHR-unstable recipes from git, efl revision is still 44960.

-- 
daniele_athome


From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Fri Jan 15 13:17:06 2010
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:17:06 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] Building QtMoko failed
In-Reply-To: <4B4F83E1.2020805@free.fr>
References: <4B4D7235.3090202@free.fr> <201001132346.12618.psonek2@seznam.cz>
	<4B4F83E1.2020805@free.fr>
Message-ID: <201001151317.06614.psonek2@seznam.cz>

Yann SLADEK wrote:

> Hi Radek,
> 
> So the last commit seems to be the same but I also tried to use the last
> branch
> Here are commands :
> 
>      mav at MavDesktop:~/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/qtmoko/qtopiacore$ rm -rf qt
>      mav at MavDesktop:~/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/qtmoko/qtopiacore$ git clone
> git://github.com/radekp/qt.git

Maybe you should do git checkout a2eb181371609220d111db555da07ab32627ffca
at this point.

>      mav at MavDesktop:~/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/build$ ../qtmoko/configure
> -device neo -D _FORTIFY_SOURCE=0 -confirm-license -add-language fr_FR
>      mav at MavDesktop:~/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/build$ make

Hope it helps

Radek


From bastian.muck at gmx.de  Fri Jan 15 13:25:07 2010
From: bastian.muck at gmx.de (Bastian Muck)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:25:07 +0100
Subject: [SHR][PATCH-rev44960] Fix for edje dragable parts not working
In-Reply-To: <d3183d4b1001150321h78585db5l6ed239b74c42ced3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3183d4b1001150321h78585db5l6ed239b74c42ced3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B505EA3.2040300@gmx.de>

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Am 15.01.2010 12:21, schrieb daniele_athome:
> Hi list. In recent shr-unstable builds, there is a bug that
> involves all dragable parts (sliders, toggles, idle screen slider,
> etc.): they always return to zero/off.
>
> This bug has been there for about a week, and SHR team says that in
> a day or two they will bump EFL to revision 45060, which fixes that
> bug. In the meantime, because the fix is very small (just 2
> function calls, a little change), I recompiled the revision of the
> Edje library used by shr, patched with that fix, and tested on
> shr-unstable.
>
> You can find the patch to the source code attached, and here is
> the stripped library:
> http://www.casaricci.it/binaries/libedje-ver-pre-svn-05.so.0.9.93
>
> Just place it in /usr/lib while X is down :-)
>
> Bye
>
>
> _______________________________________________ Openmoko community
> mailing list community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Many thanks. Works fine.
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From vollkorn at cryptobitch.de  Fri Jan 15 14:04:07 2010
From: vollkorn at cryptobitch.de (Jan Girlich)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:04:07 +0100
Subject: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests
	and personality /in person/?
In-Reply-To: <49dd78621001150204u4e3869dcmce2907f21247d756@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d30d40f10909101312q6cbd303cw3edf5ffa2fa4c2db@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0da135f1001070338q524c3895idf873f2bd8f0aa8c@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4B4FB561.2020504@brolin.be>
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	<4B503B99.1080201@kw.nl>
	<49dd78621001150204u4e3869dcmce2907f21247d756@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1263560647.8859.91.camel@jan-x61>

Am Freitag, den 15.01.2010, 10:04 +0000 schrieb Neil Jerram:
> 2010/1/15 pike <pike-openmoko at kw.nl>:
> > I wish there was a form
> > for his/er (her/is), too...
> 
> There is.  It's "their".

Difference is pike is using singular, you're using plural, Neil. Using
plural just seems like a quick hack to me, the real bugfix would be to
introduce a proper word for he/she, him/his, ... in the English
language. I believe other languages have a third form which has no
gender. Was it Spanish?

(haven't read the whole thread, just my 2?)
Jan
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From dscaini at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 14:04:56 2010
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:04:56 +0100
Subject: [SHR][PATCH-rev44960] Fix for edje dragable parts not working
In-Reply-To: <d3183d4b1001150339r6311566dhbd8347924289a282@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3183d4b1001150321h78585db5l6ed239b74c42ced3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<d3183d4b1001150339r6311566dhbd8347924289a282@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18db98c81001150504n21e4b7aey7c4a27d3403956a0@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:39 PM, daniele_athome
<daniele.athome at gmail.com>wrote:

> I've just upgraded SHR-unstable recipes from git, efl revision is still
> 44960.
>
> --
> daniele_athome
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>

you're right!
sorry,
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From guru at unixarea.de  Fri Jan 15 14:14:09 2010
From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:14:09 +0100
Subject: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests
	and personality /in person/?
In-Reply-To: <1263560647.8859.91.camel@jan-x61>
References: <d30d40f10909101312q6cbd303cw3edf5ffa2fa4c2db@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0da135f1001070338q524c3895idf873f2bd8f0aa8c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4F8964.8090302@brolin.be>
	<201001142309.55319.fabian.schoelzel@googlemail.com>
	<4B4FB561.2020504@brolin.be>
	<49dd78621001150131t78d9a60ao25697b8ddbcb3104@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B503B99.1080201@kw.nl>
	<49dd78621001150204u4e3869dcmce2907f21247d756@mail.gmail.com>
	<1263560647.8859.91.camel@jan-x61>
Message-ID: <20100115131409.GA4924@current.Sisis.de>

El d?a Friday, January 15, 2010 a las 02:04:07PM +0100, Jan Girlich escribi?:

> Am Freitag, den 15.01.2010, 10:04 +0000 schrieb Neil Jerram:
> > 2010/1/15 pike <pike-openmoko at kw.nl>:
> > > I wish there was a form
> > > for his/er (her/is), too...
> > 
> > There is.  It's "their".
> 
> Difference is pike is using singular, you're using plural, Neil. Using
> plural just seems like a quick hack to me, the real bugfix would be to
> introduce a proper word for he/she, him/his, ... in the English
> language. I believe other languages have a third form which has no
> gender. Was it Spanish?
> 
> (haven't read the whole thread, just my 2?)
> Jan

All this is Off-Topic; please move to some English-Grammar or whatever
list;

Thx

	matthias
-- 
Matthias Apitz
t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211
e <guru at unixarea.de> - w http://www.unixarea.de/
Vote NO to EU The Lisbon Treaty: http://www.no-means-no.eu


From martin.jansa at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 14:15:17 2010
From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:15:17 +0100
Subject: [SHR][PATCH-rev44960] Fix for edje dragable parts not working
In-Reply-To: <18db98c81001150504n21e4b7aey7c4a27d3403956a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3183d4b1001150321h78585db5l6ed239b74c42ced3@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3183d4b1001150339r6311566dhbd8347924289a282@mail.gmail.com>
	<18db98c81001150504n21e4b7aey7c4a27d3403956a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100115131517.GG30938@jama>

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 02:04:56PM +0100, Davide Scaini wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:39 PM, daniele_athome
> <daniele.athome at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > I've just upgraded SHR-unstable recipes from git, efl revision is still
> > 44960.
> >
> > --
> > daniele_athome
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Openmoko community mailing list
> > community at lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
> 
> you're right!
> sorry,
> d

But if you upgrade again in few hours, then you will get right 45060..
it's already building.

> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


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JaMa                         


From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Fri Jan 15 14:32:58 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:32:58 +0000
Subject: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests 
	and personality /in person/?
In-Reply-To: <1263560647.8859.91.camel@jan-x61>
References: <d30d40f10909101312q6cbd303cw3edf5ffa2fa4c2db@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0da135f1001070338q524c3895idf873f2bd8f0aa8c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4F8964.8090302@brolin.be>
	<201001142309.55319.fabian.schoelzel@googlemail.com>
	<4B4FB561.2020504@brolin.be>
	<49dd78621001150131t78d9a60ao25697b8ddbcb3104@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B503B99.1080201@kw.nl>
	<49dd78621001150204u4e3869dcmce2907f21247d756@mail.gmail.com>
	<1263560647.8859.91.camel@jan-x61>
Message-ID: <49dd78621001150532u6a4003e9sb9e8ae61c3ff84c1@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/15 Jan Girlich <vollkorn at cryptobitch.de>:
> Am Freitag, den 15.01.2010, 10:04 +0000 schrieb Neil Jerram:
>> 2010/1/15 pike <pike-openmoko at kw.nl>:
>> > I wish there was a form
>> > for his/er (her/is), too...
>>
>> There is. ?It's "their".
>
> Difference is pike is using singular, you're using plural, Neil.

Historically, yes, "they" and "their" are plural.  But in real current
(UK) English, they are being used more and more also as
gender-independent singular.

That might sound surprising, but it is the case.

Regards,
        Neil


From dscaini at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 14:36:30 2010
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:36:30 +0100
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <1263516780125-4396406.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<201001132123.59097.neo@el-hennig.de> 
	<1263435497718-4390243.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100114082610.17d92025@vanek.robe.cz> 
	<1263456027371-4391242.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<c30e08171001140850w38146e92te11bd5966ddd08bc@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1263491466223-4394197.post@n2.nabble.com>
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	<1263516780125-4396406.post@n2.nabble.com>
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On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:53 AM, c_c <cchandel at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Petr Vanek wrote:
> >
> > working very well. i would almost tend to say "no more features to keep
> > it fast"
> >
>   I would agree :)
>
> Petr Vanek wrote:
> >
> > Rotation issue has already been reported.
> >
>   It takes a little while and refreshing the window by going to another
> apps
> window and bck seems to help. I'll have to experiment with it a bit - or
> set
> it as a post-restart kind of a config.
>
> Petr Vanek wrote:
> >
> > The show images doesn't work seems to me.
> >
>   It's a place holder for now. The webkit-efl port doesn't seem to expose
> the settings part. I'll try it directly with the webkit API.
>
> Petr Vanek wrote:
> >
> > Also the Start Page is not taken into account yet.
> >
>   Ahhhh! I missed that.
>
> Petr Vanek wrote:
> >
> > Commandline url not accepted yet.
> >
>   Haven't added it yet. Soon.
>
> Thanks for all the ideas and suggestions.
>
>  Need a name and icon too!
>
> Thanks.
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://n2.nabble.com/elm-browser-NEW-release-14-Jan-tp4357081p4396406.html
> Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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>

I'm trying it on shr-u but no way of getting it working
root at om-gta02 ~ $ browser
showing window
Error #0 while loading the group 'scrollbar.vertical'.
Error #0 while loading the group 'scrollbar.vertical'.
Segmentation fault

Where can I get it running?
d
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From bastian.muck at gmx.de  Fri Jan 15 14:37:30 2010
From: bastian.muck at gmx.de (Bastian Muck)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:37:30 +0100
Subject: [FSO] Problem with opimd and Messages
Message-ID: <4B506F9A.2090404@gmx.de>

Hallo list,

i have a problem with opimd and the messageinterface. First i checked
how many messages are contained in Folder SMS:

root at om-gta02 ~/test $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.opimd
/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2 GetMessageCount
9

So there should be 9 SMS. ( In fact there are just 7, but two of them
are double-sms)
Then I tried to get some of them:

root at om-gta02 ~/test $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.opimd
/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2 GetMessagePaths 1 5
[   '/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/1',
    '/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/2',
    '/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/3',
    '/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/4',
    '/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/5']

Ok, the first five are no problem. But as you can see, number 6 fails:

root at om-gta02 ~/test $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.opimd
/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2 GetMessagePaths 1 6
/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2: GetMessagePaths failed:
org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.TypeError (Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/service.py", line 702, in
_message_cb
    retval = candidate_method(self, *args, **keywords)
  File
"/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py",
line 254, in GetMessagePaths
    result.append(message['Path'])
TypeError: 'NoneType' object is unsubscriptable
)

Even if I just want to get only the path of message 6 it fails. Any idea
what I do wrong?

Greetings Bastian


From jldominguez at prodevelop.es  Fri Jan 15 14:38:42 2010
From: jldominguez at prodevelop.es (Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:38:42 +0100
Subject: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interestsand
	personality /in person/?
References: <d30d40f10909101312q6cbd303cw3edf5ffa2fa4c2db@mail.gmail.com><d0da135f1001070338q524c3895idf873f2bd8f0aa8c@mail.gmail.com><4B4F8964.8090302@brolin.be><201001142309.55319.fabian.schoelzel@googlemail.com><4B4FB561.2020504@brolin.be><49dd78621001150131t78d9a60ao25697b8ddbcb3104@mail.gmail.com><4B503B99.1080201@kw.nl><49dd78621001150204u4e3869dcmce2907f21247d756@mail.gmail.com><1263560647.8859.91.camel@jan-x61>
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> El d?a Friday, January 15, 2010 a las 02:04:07PM +0100, Jan Girlich escribi?:
>> Am Freitag, den 15.01.2010, 10:04 +0000 schrieb Neil Jerram:
>> > 2010/1/15 pike <pike-openmoko at kw.nl>:
>> > > I wish there was a form
>> > > for his/er (her/is), too...
>> >
>> > There is.  It's "their".
>>
>> Difference is pike is using singular, you're using plural, Neil. Using
>> plural just seems like a quick hack to me, the real bugfix would be to
>> introduce a proper word for he/she, him/his, ... in the English
>> language. I believe other languages have a third form which has no
>> gender. Was it Spanish?
>>
>> (haven't read the whole thread, just my 2?)
>> Jan
>
>All this is Off-Topic; please move to some English-Grammar or whatever
>list;
>
>Thx
>
>        matthias
>--
>Matthias Apitz
>t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211
>e <guru at unixarea.de> - w http://www.unixarea.de/
>Vote NO to EU The Lisbon Treaty: http://www.no-means-no.eu
 
No we dont have a neutral gender in Spanish, but the Spanish for 'his' and 'her' is the same ('su') so we don't have that problem:
 
'his/her Freerunner' ==> 'su Freerunner'
 
As for English, I prefer 'their' rather than 'his/her'. I wonder how this issue was solved in the past. Such a usual problem must have been solved centuries ago in the English literature, no?
 
And yes, this is totally off-topic, and the where-can-I-meet-a-female topic is totally ridiculous and bad taste and I think the list administrator (if there is one) should do something about it.
 
Regards,
Juan Lucas
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

 



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From alexey at feldgendler.ru  Fri Jan 15 14:38:54 2010
From: alexey at feldgendler.ru (Alexey Feldgendler)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:38:54 +0100
Subject: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests
	and personality /in person/?
In-Reply-To: <49dd78621001150532u6a4003e9sb9e8ae61c3ff84c1@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:32:58 +0100, Neil Jerram  
<neiljerram at googlemail.com> wrote:

>>> There is.  It's "their".

>> Difference is pike is using singular, you're using plural, Neil.

> Historically, yes, "they" and "their" are plural.  But in real current
> (UK) English, they are being used more and more also as
> gender-independent singular.

This use has produced a singular reflexive pronoun ?themself?, distinct  
 from the plural ?themselves?.


-- 
Alexey Feldgendler <alexey at feldgendler.ru>
[ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com


From dave.tv at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 14:48:07 2010
From: dave.tv at gmail.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:48:07 +1000
Subject: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests 
	and personality /in person/?
In-Reply-To: <d30d40f10909101312q6cbd303cw3edf5ffa2fa4c2db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d30d40f10909101312q6cbd303cw3edf5ffa2fa4c2db@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Brolin Empey <brolin at brolin.be> wrote:

> Hello list,
>
> Like most of the members of this list (AFAICT from the first names I
> recognise as sex/gender-specific), I am male.  I am 22 and still live with
> my parents.  I have never lived away from my parents.  I am planning to hire
> a support worker to help me live away from my parents (I have another
> meeting later today) because I continue to indefinitely defer trying to live
> away from my parents.  I named my form of procrastination ?priority
> inversion? because what is, in practical terms, my lowest priority, becomes
> my highest priority.  For example, I choose to spend my free time playing
> with my computers, including my FreeRunner, instead of learning about human
> biology and/or nutrition, which will affect me every day of my life, and at
> least trying to live away from my parents.  When I say I play with my
> computers, I do not mean gaming:  I almost never play games anymore.  Even
> when I decide I want to play a game again, I spend all of my time reading
> about games, viewing screenshots and videos, and trying to decide which of
> the endless games I should play (or rather, obtain if I do not already have
> a copy and make work on my PC) instead of actually playing a game.  I feel
> like I am always overwhelmed and/or overloaded with information and
> stimulation in the Too Much Information Age.  I always feel like the NET
> Effect is that there is Never Enough Time because time flies faster than
> ever because I am always overthinking, overwhelmed with overchoice, etc.  I
> recognise my mind is a word and pattern recognition engine, which is
> constantly adding new stimulations/experiences to its database.  I have
> Asperger?s Syndrome, but can function much better, at least in terms of
> interacting with people in person, than when I was in high school, for
> example.  I used to often feel like I had social anxiety disorder because I
> would get so anxious and/or worried even when calling someone on the phone
> (on my parents?s landline because I did not have a cell phone until 2008)
> that I could not speak clearly enough for the person on the other end to
> understand me, so I would always have to repeat myself at least once for
> every turn of the conversation.  I am a purist and have been called the most
> pedantic person in the world by Jamie Zawinski, of Lucid Emacs/XEmacs and
> Netscape/Mozilla fame. :)  Imprecise usage and redundancy bothers me even if
> know what is meant from the context.  For example, I am bothered by people
> mentioning a ?standard? transmission in a vehicle (it is a manual
> transmission.  Standard depends on the vehicle.  Automatic is standard for
> some vehicles.), calling an LCD monitor (a flat *panel*) a ?flat screen?
> (high-end CRTs have flat glass too!), common redundancies, such as PIN
> number, ATM machine, LCD display, people who assume all cars use crappy
> gasoline engines and use fuel-specific terms, such as gas station (it is a
> service station), gas tank (it is a fuel tank), gas pedal (it is an
> accellerator), gas pump (I have used a diesel pump at Shell that told me to
> ?select octane? instead of ?select ctane? (sp?) or ?select fuel grade?.  My
> car has a diesel, not gasoline, engine.  I have been highly influenced by my
> father, Brian Empey.  Brian is a Professional Engineer (Electrical
> Engineering).  He founded Technical Solutions Inc. (Techsol) in 1996 with
> his second wife (my step-mom), Karen Empey (nee Schellenberg).  Techsol is
> an embedded computer hardware company specialising in Linux on ARM
> architecture.  I am very fortunate to be able to work at Techsol.  I am a
> Linux + Windows System Administrator/Web master/IT person/general computer
> person.  I think my responsibiles are more important than my title(s).  I
> know I am very dependent on my parents, but at least I own my own car (which
> I bought from my dad), have a Class 7 driver?s licence (the Novice stage of
> the Graduated Licensing Program in British Columbia, Canada.  I live in the
> Lower Mainland of British Columbia, Canada), my own credit union account,
> debit (Interac) card, MasterCard credit card, personal cheques (*not*checks!), which I almost never use (I think I have written a total of 3
> cheques in my life), cell phones (Nokia 6103b + FreeRunner), PayPal account,
> domain names (brolin.be + others), Virtual Private Server (VPS), which
> hosts my personal Web site, PCs and peripherals, far too many original/boxed
> PC games, which I almost never play anymore, bicycle, ... I am definitely a
> relatively rich/wealthy person in Canada and extremely wealthy compared to
> less fortunate people in both developed and developing countries.  I know I
> should not complain because I am very fortunate;  I know my life could
> always be *much* worse, even if I lack much first-hand experience of how
> much worse it could be.
>
> Anyway, enough rambling.  I need to finally address the Subject of this
> message (I hope at least 1 person actually read this far!).  How/where can I
> meet a female companion *in person* with similar interests and
> personality?  Someone who can appreciate my word associations, puns, sexual
> innuendo, jokes, purism, etc.?  Someone who can relate to and understand the
> computer humour in xkcd comics (I do not understand a lot of the math used
> in xkcd, but I still know relatively more about math than non-technical
> people because of my interest in computing and computer programming),
> someone who analyses everything as much as I do, someone who is interested
> by books such as *Consciousness Explained* by Daniel C. Dennet, (personal)
> computing history, computer art scenes such as the demoscene, The Scene
> (warez groups, etc.  even though I no longer use much unlicensed software
> because I prefer to support Free Software projects instead of using
> unlicensed proprietary software), computer music (module music, chiptunes).
>
> I have a tendency to isolate myself from face-to-face contact with my
> peers, even though I know meeting people requires being in the same place as
> them.  I have few friends (well, at least peers) I know in person.  I choose
> to spend most of my free time at home, either alone or with my parents,
> instead of trying to meet new people in person.  I am too shy and
> self-conscious in public.
>
> Can anyone relate to me?  What should I do?  I know I have volunteered a
> lot of personal information in this post, but much of it is already publicly
> accessible for those who know my real/legal name and know how to use tools
> such as Google Search.  I have been considering writing a post like this for
> months (maybe already >1 year), but I ended up stopping writing early
> because I felt uncomfortable about volunteering so much personal
> information.  What do I have to lose, though?  I need to stop being so
> self-conscious.
>
> Why are most of the peers with whom I can relate well male?  Do females
> have the same problem?  Are there even any females reading this? :)
>
> Thank you for reading this far!
>
> Brolin :)
>
> PS:  As you can probably tell, I prefer to write properly (with correct
> grammar, spelling, punctuation, capitalisation, typographical quotation
> marks and em dashes instead of ASCII typewriter quotation marks and ASCII
> approximations of em dashes, etc.), even in informal contexts and for SMS.
> I also prefer to say SMS instead of ?text message?, but you could probably
> have guessed that from my previous examples of my purism.  I also prefer
> logical, simple, and unambiguous ISO 8601 (e.g., today is 2009-09-10 13:37
> ;)) international standard date and time notation, especially instead of the
> illogical 12h time notation, which many people insist on using in fuzzy
> and/or ambiguous ways, such as ?quarter to one? instead of ?12:45? (24h).  I
> know HH:MM (00:00 ? 23:59) can be interpreted as ambiguous 12h when the hour
> is <= 12, but I do not like to use HHMM (without the separator (the colon))
> because I prefer to separate the components of the time of day.  I
> originally used an ASCII minus character (?-?) as a range separator, but I
> decided I should use gucharmap to copy and paste a proper en dash because
> otherwise I would be hypocritical for using proper em dashes but using an
> ASCII approximation instead of a proper en dash because I am too lazy to use
> gucharmap. (fail)
>
> PPS: As you may have noticed, I use the same convention as the C
> programming language for usage of single and double quotation marks.  C uses
> only ASCII characters, though;  I use both ASCII and Unicode (yes, I know
> Unicode includes ASCII) for e.g., typographical quotation marks and dashes.
>
> PPPS: I also highly prefer communities such as this mailing list, where
> posters use their real/legal names and are consequently accountable for
> their actions (messages) and write properly instead of e.g., Web bulletin
> boards frequented by the ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder), ?tl; dr? (?too
> long; didn?t read?) crowd, most of whom use nicknames instead of their
> real/legal names.
>
> --
> Sometimes I forget how to do small talk: <http://xkcd.com/222/>
>
> ?If you have to ask why, you?re not a member of the intended audience.? ?
> Bob Zimbinski, <http://webpages.mr.net/bobz/ttyquake/>
>
>
Seriously ... Brolin - good luck in your quest ... its a hard road and being
in my third marriage I know. Don't be disheartened and you will find someone
one day. Some things are - the harder you seek - the harder it is to find.

Now! ... this is totally offtopic for this list and I am tempted to put a
filter in place.

Time to give this topic up in this list!

Dave

> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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From lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net  Fri Jan 15 15:07:04 2010
From: lists.openmoko.org at wongs.net (Ben Wong)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:07:04 -0800
Subject: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests 
	and personality /in person/?
In-Reply-To: <4B4F8964.8090302@brolin.be>
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	<4B4F8964.8090302@brolin.be>
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On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Brolin Empey <brolin at brolin.be> wrote:
> ?This subject is covered in Ellen Spertus?s 1991 paper titled ?Why are
> There so Few Female Computer Scientists??:
>
> <http://people.mills.edu/spertus/Gender/pap/pap.html>

Thanks for the link.  Reading it reminds me of the time I was writing
a  paper which had many examples of computer users.  For half of them
I used female pronouns.  I was amused and slightly disturbed that my
co-author (from the Netherlands) fixed my "mistakes" by changing them
all to male.

--Ben

P.S. To gmail users: Never want to see this thread again? Click "More
Actions" -> "Mute".


From vfebvre at easter-eggs.com  Fri Jan 15 15:22:14 2010
From: vfebvre at easter-eggs.com (Valery Febvre)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:22:14 +0100
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <18db98c81001150536g78cf6e31ue8d8742f244ce9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>	<201001132123.59097.neo@el-hennig.de>
	<1263435497718-4390243.post@n2.nabble.com>	<20100114082610.17d92025@vanek.robe.cz>
	<1263456027371-4391242.post@n2.nabble.com>	<c30e08171001140850w38146e92te11bd5966ddd08bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1263491466223-4394197.post@n2.nabble.com>	<20100114210422.09b2a60a@vanek.robe.cz>
	<1263516780125-4396406.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<18db98c81001150536g78cf6e31ue8d8742f244ce9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B507A16.9000406@easter-eggs.com>

Davide Scaini wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:53 AM, c_c <cchandel at yahoo.com 
> <mailto:cchandel at yahoo.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Hi,
> 
>     Petr Vanek wrote:
>      >
>      > working very well. i would almost tend to say "no more features
>     to keep
>      > it fast"
>      >
>      I would agree :)
> 
>     Petr Vanek wrote:
>      >
>      > Rotation issue has already been reported.
>      >
>      It takes a little while and refreshing the window by going to
>     another apps
>     window and bck seems to help. I'll have to experiment with it a bit
>     - or set
>     it as a post-restart kind of a config.
> 
>     Petr Vanek wrote:
>      >
>      > The show images doesn't work seems to me.
>      >
>      It's a place holder for now. The webkit-efl port doesn't seem to expose
>     the settings part. I'll try it directly with the webkit API.
> 
>     Petr Vanek wrote:
>      >
>      > Also the Start Page is not taken into account yet.
>      >
>      Ahhhh! I missed that.
> 
>     Petr Vanek wrote:
>      >
>      > Commandline url not accepted yet.
>      >
>      Haven't added it yet. Soon.
> 
>     Thanks for all the ideas and suggestions.
> 
>      Need a name and icon too!
> 
>     Thanks.
> 
> 
> I'm trying it on shr-u but no way of getting it working
> root at om-gta02 ~ $ browser
> showing window
> Error #0 while loading the group 'scrollbar.vertical'.
> Error #0 while loading the group 'scrollbar.vertical'.
> Segmentation fault
> 
> Where can I get it running?

I think you choosed to use Evas Software X11 16 bit engine in SHR
settings (section Appearence).
elm-browser only runs with Software X11 engine.

A simple solution is to edit the file
/usr/share/applications/browser.desktop and to replace line:

Exec=browser

by

Exec=ELM_ENGINE=x11 browser

-- 
Val?ry


From dscaini at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 15:36:17 2010
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:36:17 +0100
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <4B507A16.9000406@easter-eggs.com>
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1263435497718-4390243.post@n2.nabble.com> 
	<20100114082610.17d92025@vanek.robe.cz>
	<1263456027371-4391242.post@n2.nabble.com> 
	<c30e08171001140850w38146e92te11bd5966ddd08bc@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1263491466223-4394197.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100114210422.09b2a60a@vanek.robe.cz> 
	<1263516780125-4396406.post@n2.nabble.com>
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On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Valery Febvre <vfebvre at easter-eggs.com>wrote:

> Davide Scaini wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:53 AM, c_c <cchandel at yahoo.com
> > <mailto:cchandel at yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >     Hi,
> >
> >     Petr Vanek wrote:
> >      >
> >      > working very well. i would almost tend to say "no more features
> >     to keep
> >      > it fast"
> >      >
> >      I would agree :)
> >
> >     Petr Vanek wrote:
> >      >
> >      > Rotation issue has already been reported.
> >      >
> >      It takes a little while and refreshing the window by going to
> >     another apps
> >     window and bck seems to help. I'll have to experiment with it a bit
> >     - or set
> >     it as a post-restart kind of a config.
> >
> >     Petr Vanek wrote:
> >      >
> >      > The show images doesn't work seems to me.
> >      >
> >      It's a place holder for now. The webkit-efl port doesn't seem to
> expose
> >     the settings part. I'll try it directly with the webkit API.
> >
> >     Petr Vanek wrote:
> >      >
> >      > Also the Start Page is not taken into account yet.
> >      >
> >      Ahhhh! I missed that.
> >
> >     Petr Vanek wrote:
> >      >
> >      > Commandline url not accepted yet.
> >      >
> >      Haven't added it yet. Soon.
> >
> >     Thanks for all the ideas and suggestions.
> >
> >      Need a name and icon too!
> >
> >     Thanks.
> >
> >
> > I'm trying it on shr-u but no way of getting it working
> > root at om-gta02 ~ $ browser
> > showing window
> > Error #0 while loading the group 'scrollbar.vertical'.
> > Error #0 while loading the group 'scrollbar.vertical'.
> > Segmentation fault
> >
> > Where can I get it running?
>
> I think you choosed to use Evas Software X11 16 bit engine in SHR
> settings (section Appearence).
> elm-browser only runs with Software X11 engine.
>
> A simple solution is to edit the file
> /usr/share/applications/browser.desktop and to replace line:
>
> Exec=browser
>
> by
>
> Exec=ELM_ENGINE=x11 browser
>
> --
> Val?ry
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>

THANKS! You're right!
:p
d
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From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 16:19:19 2010
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:19:19 +0100
Subject: [FSO] Problem with opimd and Messages
In-Reply-To: <4B506F9A.2090404@gmx.de>
References: <4B506F9A.2090404@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <c30e08171001150719u6fde7711qac77aedb0e7f07b6@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 14:37, Bastian Muck <bastian.muck at gmx.de> wrote:
> Hallo list,
>
> i have a problem with opimd and the messageinterface. First i checked
> how many messages are contained in Folder SMS:
>
> root at om-gta02 ~/test $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.opimd
> /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2 GetMessageCount
> 9
>
> So there should be 9 SMS. ( In fact there are just 7, but two of them
> are double-sms)
> Then I tried to get some of them:
>
> root at om-gta02 ~/test $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.opimd
> /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2 GetMessagePaths 1 5
> [ ? '/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/1',
> ? ?'/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/2',
> ? ?'/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/3',
> ? ?'/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/4',
> ? ?'/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/5']
>
> Ok, the first five are no problem. But as you can see, number 6 fails:
>
> root at om-gta02 ~/test $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.opimd
> /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2 GetMessagePaths 1 6
> /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2: GetMessagePaths failed:
> org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.TypeError (Traceback (most recent call last):
> ?File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/service.py", line 702, in
> _message_cb
> ? ?retval = candidate_method(self, *args, **keywords)
> ?File
> "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py",
> line 254, in GetMessagePaths
> ? ?result.append(message['Path'])
> TypeError: 'NoneType' object is unsubscriptable
> )
>
> Even if I just want to get only the path of message 6 it fails. Any idea
> what I do wrong?
>
> Greetings Bastian

Folders are completely not tested, and as you just noticed: they don't
work yet. I'll maybe look at them soon, but that's rather on low
priority.

-- 
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
dos


From dscaini at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 16:34:45 2010
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:34:45 +0100
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <18db98c81001150636h42c4179fvb53892afb2d2f28b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100114082610.17d92025@vanek.robe.cz> 
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	<c30e08171001140850w38146e92te11bd5966ddd08bc@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1263491466223-4394197.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100114210422.09b2a60a@vanek.robe.cz> 
	<1263516780125-4396406.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<18db98c81001150536g78cf6e31ue8d8742f244ce9d@mail.gmail.com> 
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	<18db98c81001150636h42c4179fvb53892afb2d2f28b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18db98c81001150734i6a9b3719md833b193929eba3@mail.gmail.com>

Feature suggestion:
As eve it does not handle https pages... it would be great :)

d

(thanks, it's great by now)
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From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 16:40:57 2010
From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 07:40:57 -0800
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <18db98c81001150734i6a9b3719md833b193929eba3@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1263491466223-4394197.post@n2.nabble.com>
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On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Davide Scaini <dscaini at gmail.com> wrote:


so...   what do i do here?

$ opkg install http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4397665/browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
Downloading http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4397665/browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
Installing browser (1.0-r0.4) to root...
Installing libewebkit0
(1.1.11+gitr38213+3a5ee77664c898ed51a2b2d5759822f8c0a06472-r1.4) to
root...
Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/libewebkit0_1.1.11+gitr38213+3a5ee77664c898ed51a2b2d5759822f8c0a06472-r1.4_armv4t.ipk
Configuring openmoko-icon-theme-standard2
gtk-update-icon-cache: Failed to open file
/usr/share/icons/openmoko-standard/.icon-theme.cache : File exists
postinst script returned status 1
Collected errors:
 * Package libewebkit0 wants to install file
/usr/share/webkit-1.0/resources/error.html
	But that file is already provided by package  * libwebkit-1.0-2
 * Cannot find package browser.
 * ERROR: openmoko-icon-theme-standard2.postinst returned 1


From dscaini at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 16:43:48 2010
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:43:48 +0100
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <f8d5d4f31001150740n5ede1715wc7c3c1c56829b2b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1263403727752-4357081.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<c30e08171001140850w38146e92te11bd5966ddd08bc@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1263491466223-4394197.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100114210422.09b2a60a@vanek.robe.cz> 
	<1263516780125-4396406.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<18db98c81001150536g78cf6e31ue8d8742f244ce9d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4B507A16.9000406@easter-eggs.com>
	<18db98c81001150636h42c4179fvb53892afb2d2f28b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<18db98c81001150734i6a9b3719md833b193929eba3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f8d5d4f31001150740n5ede1715wc7c3c1c56829b2b5@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 4:40 PM, jeremy jozwik <jerjoz.forums at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Davide Scaini <dscaini at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> so...   what do i do here?
>
> $ opkg install
> http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4397665/browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
> Downloading http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4397665/browser_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
> Installing browser (1.0-r0.4) to root...
> Installing libewebkit0
> (1.1.11+gitr38213+3a5ee77664c898ed51a2b2d5759822f8c0a06472-r1.4) to
> root...
> Downloading
> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/libewebkit0_1.1.11+gitr38213+3a5ee77664c898ed51a2b2d5759822f8c0a06472-r1.4_armv4t.ipk
> Configuring openmoko-icon-theme-standard2
> gtk-update-icon-cache: Failed to open file
> /usr/share/icons/openmoko-standard/.icon-theme.cache : File exists
> postinst script returned status 1
> Collected errors:
>  * Package libewebkit0 wants to install file
> /usr/share/webkit-1.0/resources/error.html
>        But that file is already provided by package  * libwebkit-1.0-2
>  * Cannot find package browser.
>  * ERROR: openmoko-icon-theme-standard2.postinst returned 1
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>

first i removed /usr/share/icons/openmoko-standard/.icon-theme.cache
then if you have still the error * Package libewebkit0 wants to install file
/usr/share/webkit-1.0/
>
> resources/error.html
>        But that file is already provided by package  * libwebkit-1.0-2

 try with the option -force-overwrite

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From bastian.muck at gmx.de  Fri Jan 15 16:45:59 2010
From: bastian.muck at gmx.de (Bastian Muck)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:45:59 +0100
Subject: [FSO] Problem with opimd and Messages
In-Reply-To: <c30e08171001150719u6fde7711qac77aedb0e7f07b6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B506F9A.2090404@gmx.de>
	<c30e08171001150719u6fde7711qac77aedb0e7f07b6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B508DB7.2090906@gmx.de>

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Am 15.01.2010 16:19, schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak:
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 14:37, Bastian Muck <bastian.muck at gmx.de> wrote:
>> Hallo list,
>>
>> i have a problem with opimd and the messageinterface. First i checked
>> how many messages are contained in Folder SMS:
>>
>> root at om-gta02 ~/test $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.opimd
>> /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2 GetMessageCount
>> 9
>>
>> So there should be 9 SMS. ( In fact there are just 7, but two of them
>> are double-sms)
>> Then I tried to get some of them:
>>
>> root at om-gta02 ~/test $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.opimd
>> /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2 GetMessagePaths 1 5
>> [   '/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/1',
>>    '/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/2',
>>    '/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/3',
>>    '/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/4',
>>    '/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/5']
>>
>> Ok, the first five are no problem. But as you can see, number 6 fails:
>>
>> root at om-gta02 ~/test $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.opimd
>> /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2 GetMessagePaths 1 6
>> /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2: GetMessagePaths failed:
>> org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.TypeError (Traceback (most recent call last):
>>  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/service.py", line 702, in
>> _message_cb
>>    retval = candidate_method(self, *args, **keywords)
>>  File
>>
"/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py",
>> line 254, in GetMessagePaths
>>    result.append(message['Path'])
>> TypeError: 'NoneType' object is unsubscriptable
>> )
>>
>> Even if I just want to get only the path of message 6 it fails. Any idea
>> what I do wrong?
>>
>> Greetings Bastian
>
> Folders are completely not tested, and as you just noticed: they don't
> work yet. I'll maybe look at them soon, but that's rather on low
> priority.
>
How do you access sms then?
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From seba.dos1 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 16:48:23 2010
From: seba.dos1 at gmail.com (Sebastian Krzyszkowiak)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:48:23 +0100
Subject: [FSO] Problem with opimd and Messages
In-Reply-To: <4B508DB7.2090906@gmx.de>
References: <4B506F9A.2090404@gmx.de>
	<c30e08171001150719u6fde7711qac77aedb0e7f07b6@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4B508DB7.2090906@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <c30e08171001150748q2d71790fj5632c9fb015ad0fc@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 16:45, Bastian Muck <bastian.muck at gmx.de> wrote:
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> Am 15.01.2010 16:19, schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak:
>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 14:37, Bastian Muck <bastian.muck at gmx.de> wrote:
>>> Hallo list,
>>>
>>> i have a problem with opimd and the messageinterface. First i checked
>>> how many messages are contained in Folder SMS:
>>>
>>> root at om-gta02 ~/test $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.opimd
>>> /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2 GetMessageCount
>>> 9
>>>
>>> So there should be 9 SMS. ( In fact there are just 7, but two of them
>>> are double-sms)
>>> Then I tried to get some of them:
>>>
>>> root at om-gta02 ~/test $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.opimd
>>> /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2 GetMessagePaths 1 5
>>> [ ? '/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/1',
>>> ? ?'/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/2',
>>> ? ?'/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/3',
>>> ? ?'/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/4',
>>> ? ?'/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/5']
>>>
>>> Ok, the first five are no problem. But as you can see, number 6 fails:
>>>
>>> root at om-gta02 ~/test $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.opimd
>>> /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2 GetMessagePaths 1 6
>>> /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Folders/2: GetMessagePaths failed:
>>> org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.TypeError (Traceback (most recent call last):
>>> ?File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/service.py", line 702, in
>>> _message_cb
>>> ? ?retval = candidate_method(self, *args, **keywords)
>>> ?File
>>>
> "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py",
>>> line 254, in GetMessagePaths
>>> ? ?result.append(message['Path'])
>>> TypeError: 'NoneType' object is unsubscriptable
>>> )
>>>
>>> Even if I just want to get only the path of message 6 it fails. Any idea
>>> what I do wrong?
>>>
>>> Greetings Bastian
>>
>> Folders are completely not tested, and as you just noticed: they don't
>> work yet. I'll maybe look at them soon, but that's rather on low
>> priority.
>>
> How do you access sms then?
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Normally, using queries, not those strange things called folders :P

Look at opimd-cli, it can be useful to understand how to use opimd interfaces.

-- 
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
dos


From Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl  Fri Jan 15 18:40:39 2010
From: Patryk.Benderz at esp.pl (Patryk Benderz)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:40:39 +0100
Subject: [Community Updates] 2010-01-14 released
Message-ID: <1263577239.7298.28.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local>

Hello everybody,
Recent Community Update is out. Take a look at "News" link in
"Community" box on wiki pages to read it.

For your convenience here is direct link:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2010-01-14

and contribute to the new draft at:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2010-01-28

Thanks to all contributors of this issue of CU:
* PaulWise
* Kichkasch
* Multi
* Baba melone
* Vanous
* Valos
* Bt4
* Linuxxr
* Deubeuliou

-- 
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From cchandel at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 15 18:57:16 2010
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:57:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <18db98c81001150743j672a27d7l672accdacfd3f77d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c30e08171001140850w38146e92te11bd5966ddd08bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1263491466223-4394197.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100114210422.09b2a60a@vanek.robe.cz>
	<1263516780125-4396406.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <1263578236398-4400179.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,

Davide Scaini wrote:
> 
>  Package libewebkit0 wants to install file /usr/share/webkit-1.0/
>  resources/error.html
>  But that file is already provided by package  * libwebkit-1.0-2
> 
>  try with the option -force-overwrite
> 
  Force overwrite helps overcome this. 

  As far as https pages are concerned they work for me. I went through an
old post by trevino about getting https pages working with webkit browsers
[1].
  Here's how :-
1. get the latest version of libcurl4 and curl-certs from angstrom.
2. install them
3. surf https pages.
  
[1]
http://n2.nabble.com/OE-Getting-the-curl-based-apps-Webkit-browsers-working-with-HTTPS-tp2222337ef1958.html

 Here's the proof :-

   http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4400179/Screenshot-1.png Screenshot-1.png 
  
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From bernd.pruenster at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 20:04:09 2010
From: bernd.pruenster at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bernd_Pr=FCnster?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:04:09 +0100
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <1263578236398-4400179.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <c30e08171001140850w38146e92te11bd5966ddd08bc@mail.gmail.com>	<1263491466223-4394197.post@n2.nabble.com>	<20100114210422.09b2a60a@vanek.robe.cz>	<1263516780125-4396406.post@n2.nabble.com>	<18db98c81001150536g78cf6e31ue8d8742f244ce9d@mail.gmail.com>	<4B507A16.9000406@easter-eggs.com>	<18db98c81001150636h42c4179fvb53892afb2d2f28b@mail.gmail.com>	<18db98c81001150734i6a9b3719md833b193929eba3@mail.gmail.com>	<f8d5d4f31001150740n5ede1715wc7c3c1c56829b2b5@mail.gmail.com>	<18db98c81001150743j672a27d7l672accdacfd3f77d@mail.gmail.com>
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Jesus H. Christ! did someone get basic flash functionality to work?
http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/d05e30884775f3de217b5b8a359d2228.png


From keegiveel at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 21:11:46 2010
From: keegiveel at gmail.com (Margo)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:11:46 +0200
Subject: qspectemu - zx spectrum emulator port for Freerunner
In-Reply-To: <201001131625.36300.psonek2@seznam.cz>
References: <201001131625.36300.psonek2@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <bc2d57b41001151211o10fb0be4md981784aef506b43@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/13 Radek Polak <psonek2 at seznam.cz>:
> Hi,
> i have just finished porting of spectemu[1] to Qt and Freerunner. It's now in
> QtMoko package feed if you want to try it or you can compile from sources for
> your favourite distro.

Hi,
How do I get the on-screen keyboard during a game? If I press
somewhere it just gives me the options screen. Where do I have to
click to get the keyboard?


From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Fri Jan 15 21:35:10 2010
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:35:10 +0000
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <4B50BC29.6050008@gmail.com>
References: <c30e08171001140850w38146e92te11bd5966ddd08bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1263578236398-4400179.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4B50BC29.6050008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001152035.10774.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Friday 15 January 2010, Bernd Pr?nster wrote:
> Jesus H. Christ! did someone get basic flash functionality to work?
> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/d05e30884775f3de217b5b8a359d2228.png

No flash involved. That's just squeezecenter with the nokia770 theme zoomed 
out one step whcih is why the images aren't as crisp as usual. It works well, 
although dropdown lists seem not to work on any site i've tried so far, 
including the zimbra web interface which seems to work fine in other respects.


From dscaini at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 23:54:38 2010
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:54:38 +0100
Subject: Hackable:1 rev5
In-Reply-To: <4B4B0046.6090105@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.3465.1263076438.14033.community@lists.openmoko.org> 
	<4B4AFA23.1020507@yahoo.it> <4B4B0046.6090105@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18db98c81001151454s7c9face9w43debcac5014d42b@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:41 AM, David Wagner <deubeuliou at gmail.com> wrote:

> giacomo `giotti` mariani a ?crit :
> >>> I had a couple of problems (with only one solution):
> >>> -I can't boot regular rev5 from uSD (the process hangs up at something
> >>> like 95% and stays there forever) so I have to use  the developer
> >>> version (which works well;-));
> >>>
> >> Does the user image boot from the flash ?
> >>
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >
> > Hi David,
> >
> > I've never tried it and I won't, I'm sorry:  my daily phone distribution
> > (a QtExtended with some upgrade and "Progress 12: script
> > <http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qtmoko_install.sh>" by Franky) is
> > there and I need it as it is...
> > Anyway I'm helpful for testing on the uSD, just tell me.
> >
> > Another "problem": I tried linphone from the repos (apt-get install
> > linphone, after de-installing aptitude, task and some tex* to fix
> > missing dependencies), but noticed it was an old release, 2.x.x IIRC (I
> > added the sid repository and upgraded linphone, but now I've some
> > problem as a presumed... lol).
> > Do you have some suggestion about using the VoIP with Hackable:1?
>
> Hi
>
> I haven't tried http://www.sflphone.org/ but it may be worth testing it.
>
> David
>
> >
> > Thank you
> > Giacomo
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>


Tryied today in nand flashing the jffs2 image.
It's ok, but two "issues":
- wifi dows not work after suspend
- how do i get the normal orange theme? it's more consistent with icons and
so...
thanks great work!
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From dave.tv at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 07:14:03 2010
From: dave.tv at gmail.com (Dave)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:14:03 +1000
Subject: Hackable:1 rev5
In-Reply-To: <18db98c81001151454s7c9face9w43debcac5014d42b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.3465.1263076438.14033.community@lists.openmoko.org>
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	<18db98c81001151454s7c9face9w43debcac5014d42b@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Davide Scaini <dscaini at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:41 AM, David Wagner <deubeuliou at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> giacomo `giotti` mariani a ?crit :
>> >>> I had a couple of problems (with only one solution):
>> >>> -I can't boot regular rev5 from uSD (the process hangs up at something
>> >>> like 95% and stays there forever) so I have to use  the developer
>> >>> version (which works well;-));
>> >>>
>> >> Does the user image boot from the flash ?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> [...]
>> >>
>> >> David
>> >>
>> >
>> > Hi David,
>> >
>> > I've never tried it and I won't, I'm sorry:  my daily phone distribution
>> > (a QtExtended with some upgrade and "Progress 12: script
>> > <http://www.e-dynamics.be/openmoko/qtmoko_install.sh>" by Franky) is
>> > there and I need it as it is...
>> > Anyway I'm helpful for testing on the uSD, just tell me.
>> >
>> > Another "problem": I tried linphone from the repos (apt-get install
>> > linphone, after de-installing aptitude, task and some tex* to fix
>> > missing dependencies), but noticed it was an old release, 2.x.x IIRC (I
>> > added the sid repository and upgraded linphone, but now I've some
>> > problem as a presumed... lol).
>> > Do you have some suggestion about using the VoIP with Hackable:1?
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I haven't tried http://www.sflphone.org/ but it may be worth testing it.
>>
>> David
>>
>> >
>> > Thank you
>> > Giacomo
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Openmoko community mailing list
>> community at lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>>
>
>
> Tryied today in nand flashing the jffs2 image.
> It's ok, but two "issues":
> - wifi dows not work after suspend
> - how do i get the normal orange theme? it's more consistent with icons and
> so...
> thanks great work!
> d
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>
> Hi David,
  I experienced the wifi bug (not working after suspend) ... also bluetooth
... these issues disappeared when i replaced the kernel with Timo's kernel
... see the thread titled "New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner"

Dave
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From yann.sladek at free.fr  Sat Jan 16 13:42:32 2010
From: yann.sladek at free.fr (Yann SLADEK)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:42:32 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] Building QtMoko failed
In-Reply-To: <201001151317.06614.psonek2@seznam.cz>
References: <4B4D7235.3090202@free.fr>
	<201001132346.12618.psonek2@seznam.cz>	<4B4F83E1.2020805@free.fr>
	<201001151317.06614.psonek2@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <4B51B438.1090008@free.fr>

Hi Radek,

I found why I got this error, Karmic Koala has only QT 4.5.3. So I used 
a PPA to get QT 4.6 and try to compile again.
I got another error immediatly after the 'make' althought before 'make' 
was returning an error maybe 10 minutes after starting

    mav at MavDesktop:~/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/build$ make
    make: running qbuild default
    Project () ERROR: An error occured while evaluating a QBuild script
    extension.
         File:    /home/mav/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/qtmoko/qbuild.pro at 87
         Error:   SyntaxError: Parse error
    <anonymous>()@:6696

    make: *** [all] Abandon

Somebody already got this error but didn't found anything about it : 
http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td4180456

Thanks for your help

Yann

> Yann SLADEK wrote:
>
>    
>> Hi Radek,
>>
>> So the last commit seems to be the same but I also tried to use the last
>> branch
>> Here are commands :
>>
>>       mav at MavDesktop:~/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/qtmoko/qtopiacore$ rm -rf qt
>>       mav at MavDesktop:~/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/qtmoko/qtopiacore$ git clone
>> git://github.com/radekp/qt.git
>>      
> Maybe you should do git checkout a2eb181371609220d111db555da07ab32627ffca
> at this point.
>
>    
>>       mav at MavDesktop:~/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/build$ ../qtmoko/configure
>> -device neo -D _FORTIFY_SOURCE=0 -confirm-license -add-language fr_FR
>>       mav at MavDesktop:~/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/build$ make
>>      
> Hope it helps
>
> Radek
>
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From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Sat Jan 16 16:19:36 2010
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:19:36 +0100
Subject: [debian] illume/e17: relict after killing X/illume
Message-ID: <op.u6msuxpt41evsb@ginguppin>

every time after switching to a runlevel w/o X there's still one process  
left:

/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/battery/linux-gnueabi-arm-ver-svn-05/batget  
64

and it's not even reused when restarting X, but a new one will be created.
i am pretty sure, even that process has to be killed when shutting down  
e17/illume (or whatever starts it).


From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Sat Jan 16 16:49:15 2010
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:49:15 +0100
Subject: qspectemu - zx spectrum emulator port for Freerunner
In-Reply-To: <bc2d57b41001151211o10fb0be4md981784aef506b43@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201001131625.36300.psonek2@seznam.cz>
	<bc2d57b41001151211o10fb0be4md981784aef506b43@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001161649.15127.psonek2@seznam.cz>

Margo wrote:

> Hi,
> How do I get the on-screen keyboard during a game? If I press
> somewhere it just gives me the options screen. Where do I have to
> click to get the keyboard?

You have to make binding for it. It's just like any other key (displayed on 
the top of the keyboard picture).

Hope it helps

Regards

Radek


From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Sat Jan 16 17:23:41 2010
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:23:41 +0100
Subject: [debian/fso] how to enable wlan again?
Message-ID: <op.u6mvtqgx41evsb@ginguppin>

after upgrading to timo's improved kernel a few days ago, i'd like to test  
wlan again -- but can't recall the exact steps.
doing

qdbus --system org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage  
org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy WiFi enabled

does not change anything apparently and

qdbus --system org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage  
org.freesmartphone.Usage.GetResourceState Wifi

returns

Error: org.freesmartphone.Usage.ResourceUnknown
Resource Wifi had never been registered



From rtm at cfa.harvard.edu  Sat Jan 16 18:06:09 2010
From: rtm at cfa.harvard.edu (Ken Young)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:06:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: openmoko PROJECTS area down again
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1263639602.24312.community@lists.openmoko.org>
References: <mailman.0.1263639602.24312.community@lists.openmoko.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.1001161201500.23728@cfa0.cfa.harvard.edu>

The PROJECTS area (GForge site) of openmoko.org has been down for about
one week.    Has it been officially abandoned?

Ken Young



From cchandel at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 16 18:46:29 2010
From: cchandel at yahoo.com (c_c)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:46:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: elm_browser initial release
In-Reply-To: <201001152035.10774.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
References: <1263516780125-4396406.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<18db98c81001150536g78cf6e31ue8d8742f244ce9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B507A16.9000406@easter-eggs.com>
	<18db98c81001150636h42c4179fvb53892afb2d2f28b@mail.gmail.com>
	<18db98c81001150734i6a9b3719md833b193929eba3@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8d5d4f31001150740n5ede1715wc7c3c1c56829b2b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<18db98c81001150743j672a27d7l672accdacfd3f77d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1263578236398-4400179.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4B50BC29.6050008@gmail.com>
	<201001152035.10774.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1263663989923-4405153.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi,

  Flash works fine when I compile browser on my laptop. It automatically
uses ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so.
  I tried using swfdec compiled for arm4t in a similar directory on the FR -
but no joy.
  If we could get a npapi flash plugin for the arm4t, flash should start
working. Any ideas? Does the android browser use a flash plugin that we can
use?
  

Al Johnson wrote:
> 
>  It works well, although dropdown lists seem not to work on any site i've
> tried so far, 
> including the zimbra web interface which seems to work fine in other
> respects.
> 
  Dropdown lists dont work. Maybe someone with edje experience can help by
modifying the default.edj file in /usr/share/browser. Thats the one being
shipped with webkit-efl. Seems like there hasn't been much work on it for
the past four months or so.
 
  I'll post a slightly cleaned up version tomorrow - with a new name and
hopefully a decent icon. :)

-- 
View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/elm-browser-NEW-release-15-Jan-tp4357081p4405153.html
Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.


From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Sat Jan 16 19:31:02 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:31:02 +0000
Subject: [debian/fso] how to enable wlan again?
In-Reply-To: <op.u6mvtqgx41evsb@ginguppin>
References: <op.u6mvtqgx41evsb@ginguppin>
Message-ID: <49dd78621001161031o39019443vca3fa9c5a1acf729@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/16 arne anka <openmoko at ginguppin.de>:
> after upgrading to timo's improved kernel a few days ago, i'd like to test
> wlan again -- but can't recall the exact steps.
> doing
>
> qdbus --system org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage
> org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy WiFi enabled
>
> does not change anything apparently and
>
> qdbus --system org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage
> org.freesmartphone.Usage.GetResourceState Wifi
>
> returns
>
> Error: org.freesmartphone.Usage.ResourceUnknown
> Resource Wifi had never been registered

Well FWIW I use openmoko-panel-plugin's wifi icon, and I've customized
its config so that it automatically runs "ifup eth0".  Plus I have the
standard wpa-roam stuff in /etc/network/interfaces, and network
configurations in wpa-supplicant.conf.

Does that help at all?

    Neil


From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Sat Jan 16 19:33:18 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:33:18 +0000
Subject: [debian] illume/e17: relict after killing X/illume
In-Reply-To: <op.u6msuxpt41evsb@ginguppin>
References: <op.u6msuxpt41evsb@ginguppin>
Message-ID: <49dd78621001161033j35a765ffo19e3307c268fe5d3@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/16 arne anka <openmoko at ginguppin.de>:
> every time after switching to a runlevel w/o X there's still one process
> left:
>
> /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/battery/linux-gnueabi-arm-ver-svn-05/batget
> 64
>
> and it's not even reused when restarting X, but a new one will be created.
> i am pretty sure, even that process has to be killed when shutting down
> e17/illume (or whatever starts it).

Curious.  I wonder why it doesn't get killed when e17 is killed.  (I'm
pretty sure that it gets spawned by e17.)

Regards,
        Neil


From dirk.gassen at web.de  Sat Jan 16 19:44:40 2010
From: dirk.gassen at web.de (D. Gassen)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:44:40 -0500
Subject: [debian/fso] how to enable wlan again?
In-Reply-To: <op.u6mvtqgx41evsb@ginguppin>
References: <op.u6mvtqgx41evsb@ginguppin>
Message-ID: <36A24DC0-B5C5-436E-A0C9-25E580126198@web.de>


Am Jan 16, 2010 um 11:23  schrieb arne anka:

> after upgrading to timo's improved kernel a few days ago, i'd like to test  
> wlan again -- but can't recall the exact steps.
> doing

> 
> qdbus --system org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage  
> org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy WiFi enabled
> 
> does not change anything apparently and
> 
> qdbus --system org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage  
> org.freesmartphone.Usage.GetResourceState Wifi
> 
> returns
> 
> Error: org.freesmartphone.Usage.ResourceUnknown
> Resource Wifi had never been registered


Maybe you're experiencing this bug:

> http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-kernel/2010/1/13/6702443

However, I had exactly the same problem consistently with a kernel without the Timo's improvements until about two days ago (although I have not seen a kernel upgrade at that time).

From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Sat Jan 16 19:46:03 2010
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:46:03 +0100
Subject: [debian/fso] how to enable wlan again?
In-Reply-To: <49dd78621001161031o39019443vca3fa9c5a1acf729@mail.gmail.com>
References: <op.u6mvtqgx41evsb@ginguppin>
	<49dd78621001161031o39019443vca3fa9c5a1acf729@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.u6m2e1xh41evsb@ginguppin>

> Does that help at all?

not really :-)
looks, like the neither the modules nor the kernel itself do contain the  
ar6000 driver necessary ...
--


From gb at bsdmn.com  Sat Jan 16 20:52:23 2010
From: gb at bsdmn.com (Gennady Kupava)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:52:23 +0300
Subject: [debian/fso] how to enable wlan again?
In-Reply-To: <op.u6m2e1xh41evsb@ginguppin>
References: <op.u6mvtqgx41evsb@ginguppin>
	<49dd78621001161031o39019443vca3fa9c5a1acf729@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u6m2e1xh41evsb@ginguppin>
Message-ID: <1263671543.1864.7.camel@work.bsdmn.ru>

? ???, 16/01/2010 ? 19:46 +0100, arne anka ?????:
> > Does that help at all?
> 
> not really :-)
> looks, like the neither the modules nor the kernel itself do contain the  
> ar6000 driver necessary ...
> --
> 
> 

You have to load 2 modules to enable wifi  - s3cmci and ar6000.

I am currently working to fix
https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2327 . to workaroud before I'll
eventually get idea how to fix it do:

P=/sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c2440-sdi

echo s3c2440-sdi > $P/bind; echo s3c2440-sdi > $P/unbind or reload
ar6000 module.

Gennady



From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Sat Jan 16 20:57:57 2010
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:57:57 +0100
Subject: [debian/fso] how to enable wlan again?
In-Reply-To: <1263671543.1864.7.camel@work.bsdmn.ru>
References: <op.u6mvtqgx41evsb@ginguppin>
	<49dd78621001161031o39019443vca3fa9c5a1acf729@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u6m2e1xh41evsb@ginguppin> <1263671543.1864.7.camel@work.bsdmn.ru>
Message-ID: <op.u6m5quwp41evsb@ginguppin>

>> looks, like the neither the modules nor the kernel itself do contain the
>> ar6000 driver necessary ...
>> --
>>
>>
>
> You have to load 2 modules to enable wifi  - s3cmci and ar6000.

as stated above, at least ar6000 is simply missing.

--


From daswaldhorn at gmx.de  Sat Jan 16 22:10:39 2010
From: daswaldhorn at gmx.de (Carsten Gerlach)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:10:39 +0100
Subject: QCurrency - simple currency calculator
In-Reply-To: <201001142310.06376.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
References: <201001140006.10807.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
	<f8d5d4f31001141352m2fe7c1a1x70bb70085f87996f@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001142310.06376.christian.rueb@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <201001162210.43549.daswaldhorn@gmx.de>

Hi,

Am Donnerstag 14. Januar 2010 23:10:06 schrieb Christian R?b:
> You could even use coordinates to set proper rate for
> the country you are in ;-)

Why not? Most of the administrative boundarys are in Openstreetmap. It would 
be nice if they are used in this way. :-)

Greetings, Carsten



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From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Sat Jan 16 22:16:48 2010
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:16:48 +0100
Subject: [debian/fso] autosuspend does not work anymore
Message-ID: <op.u6m9d9e641evsb@ginguppin>

after todays upgrade teh fr does not any longer suspend after the defined  
timeout.

instead the log shows some (to me) new messages, of which i am not sure,  
inhowfar they are related.
several messages like
no plugin: factory function not found in module <module 'oeventsd.parser'  
 from  
'/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/parser.pyc'>
where the module in question can be even a lot more (ogsmd.helpers,  
oeventsd.leds_actions, oeventsd.rule, oeventsd.fso_actions,  
oeventsd.trigger to name a few)

and more disturbing, because the autosuspends needs a timeout

2010.01.16 22:02:31.7 otimed               DEBUG    checking time sources
2010.01.16 22:02:31.12 otimed               DEBUG    no working time source

states including lock are reached, but never suspend.

occuring, when i'd expect the fr to go to sleep.
the rule in question is apparently rendered correctly:

2010.01.16 21:56:34.259 oeventsd.trigger     DEBUG    connect trigger to  
dbus signal None State
2010.01.16 21:56:34.274 oeventsd.rule        INFO     enable rule : on  
IdleState if And(status == suspend,~(CallListContains(active))) then  
[SetLed(gta02_power_blue, light), Suspend(())]



fso-abyss
Version: 0.9.0-1
fso-config-gta02
Version: 20091114
fso-frameworkd
Version: 0.9.5.9+git20090920-1
fso-frameworkd-wireless-glue
fso-gpsd
Version: 0.8-3.1
fso-gsm0710muxd
Version: 0.9.3.1-3
fsoraw
Version: 0.0.1-r0
Description: Version 0.0.1-r0 of package fsoraw
fso-sounds-none
Version: 0.9.5.9+git20090920-1
fso-usaged
Version: 0.9.1+git20100106-1
fso-utils
Version: 0.git20090919.1
libfsobasics0
Version: 0.9.0+git20091226-1
libfsoframework0
Version: 0.2.4+git20091229-1
libfso-glib0
Version: 0.2.1+git20100102-1
libfsotransport0
Version: 0.9.5.9-1



From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Sat Jan 16 22:31:44 2010
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:31:44 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] Request for developers
In-Reply-To: <4B4F4AE0.1090500@yahoo.it>
References: <mailman.3630.1263486637.14033.community@lists.openmoko.org>
	<4B4F4AE0.1090500@yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <201001162231.44961.psonek2@seznam.cz>

giacomo `giotti` mariani wrote:

> My problem is that I can't use any VoIP with QtMoko and this is drawing
> me crazy.

Agree, VOIP would be nice, but probably not perfect. You probably cant use 
suspend, because wifi will not wake the phone up, so you'll have very limited 
battery time.

> This is the reason I suggest you to consider http://www.qutecom.org/ for
> the inclusion in the distribution.
> Reading the document page I see that it uses Qt4 library with Cmake that
> is a "super" QMake <http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/qmake-manual.html> and,
> looking at http://trac.qutecom.org/wiki/OWBuildIntro, the porting looks
> possible for you, but not for me.

Looks quite big and like a lot of work :( Btw i have read that somebody had 
VOIP in QtMoko working except that there was no sound which could have been 
just wrong alsa state (should be correct now).

> PS qspectemu is awesome!

Yup and is even much better now (will post news soon :)

Regards

Radek


From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Sat Jan 16 23:07:10 2010
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:07:10 +0100
Subject: QSpectemu - new version
Message-ID: <201001162307.10425.psonek2@seznam.cz>

Hi,
i have updated QSpectemu - zx-spectrum emulator in Qt [1].

New binaries are already in QtMoko package feed. Here are changes from first 
version:

- automatically adds new .Z80 o .SNA files in ~/.qspectemu
- improved gui for binding
- can display bindings during game
- much better and readable keyboard in 320x240
- fixed ENTER key
- faster
- new games [2] in deault list (37 games now!)

If you already had qspectemu installed and you want new games in your list 
then install new qspectemu and delete ~/.qspectemu/qspectemu.xml The list will 
be recreated with newly added games.

Btw there are some cool games like R-TYPE, DIZZY which cant be officialy 
distributed, but it's possible to download them from internet after some 
googling.

Btw you can do yourself simple game pad. Will post howto in next mail.

Cheers

Radek

[1] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qspectemu/
[2] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qspectemu/progs/


From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Sat Jan 16 23:27:07 2010
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:27:07 +0100
Subject: Simple gamepad
Message-ID: <201001162327.07460.psonek2@seznam.cz>

Hi,
i just wanted to share this probably most simple "hardware" mod for your Neo,

Here is the story: 

I have ported zx-spectrum emulator to play some good old games. The games can 
be played using touchscreen. The emulator allows you to place "key bind" on 
screen. If you press that location it generates apropriate key code and sends 
it to spectrum.

The problem is that it's very hard to to always touch the right place. So i 
have added notifications. When you dont press location close enough the phone 
will vibrate. This helped a bit but still it was very hard to hit the right 
place.

After some thinking how to improve the situation, i took cellotape, cut 4 
small cicles and pasted them on Freerunner touchscreen in the layout of 
gamepad.

In the end i realized i just need 2 circles and i made them from 4 layers, so 
that they are better felt by fingers.

And I didnt pasted them straight on touchscreen glass - i am using protection 
shield so the touchscreen remains unharmed.

It all works surprisingly good. You can feel the cellotape circles under your 
fingers so you always press the correct location.

Here are some pictures if you are interested:

http://activationrecord.net/radekp/pub/gamepad1.jpg
http://activationrecord.net/radekp/pub/gamepad2.jpg

I know that this mod cant measure with something cool like this[1] one, but 
for us that dont have time and skills to make real gamepad, it can be quite 
enough.

Hope this howto helps some gamers :)

Regards

Radek


[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Gamepad_(NeoPlay)


From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Sun Jan 17 00:43:15 2010
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:43:15 +0100
Subject: Freerunner can now play Ogg video [was New significant speedups
	coming to FreeRunner]
In-Reply-To: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001170043.15995.psonek2@seznam.cz>

Hi,
just little notice. Without debug stuff and preempt, Freerunner is now capable 
of playing ogg videos in 320x240 on framebuffer without frames dropped.

This was not possible until now and you had to use non free and patented 
codecs for videos. Now we have possibility to use open video format. For me 
it's very good news.

Btw mpeg works without glamo acceleration now too.

Regards

Radek


From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Sun Jan 17 00:54:05 2010
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:54:05 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] Building QtMoko failed
In-Reply-To: <4B51B438.1090008@free.fr>
References: <4B4D7235.3090202@free.fr> <201001151317.06614.psonek2@seznam.cz>
	<4B51B438.1090008@free.fr>
Message-ID: <201001170054.05491.psonek2@seznam.cz>

Yann SLADEK wrote:

> Hi Radek,
> I found why I got this error, Karmic Koala has only QT 4.5.3. So I used

For me building on default QT in karmic works. Maybe you can try building 
qtmoko with QT 4.5 for the begining. You can find it qtmoko git history. Last 
tree with this QT is this one:

http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/tree/1944016b599584db81813c387dc6d1a6dddcdd1c/qtopiacore/qt

I'll also add possibility to build with QT 4.5 as submodule soon, because we 
still have some unresolved bugs with QT 4.6. So either try old bundled QT or 
wait a bit until i prepare it as submodule.

Regards

Radek


From gb at bsdmn.com  Sun Jan 17 01:20:22 2010
From: gb at bsdmn.com (Gennady Kupava)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 03:20:22 +0300
Subject: spectrum emulator /
Message-ID: <1263687622.1864.30.camel@work.bsdmn.ru>

Radek,

You gamepad idea is just amazing and surprising, you should think about
giving it production shape and start selling add-on gamepads for phones
without keyboards :)

Gennady



From joakim at verona.se  Sun Jan 17 07:43:11 2010
From: joakim at verona.se (joakim at verona.se)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:43:11 +0100
Subject: using FSO to controll secondary phone?
Message-ID: <m3fx65ut8g.fsf@verona.se>

Would it be possible to attach a secondary phone over BT to the
Freerunner and controll it with FSO, the same way as the inbuilt phone
device?


-- 
Joakim Verona



From hns at computer.org  Sun Jan 17 10:16:01 2010
From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:16:01 +0100
Subject: [FOSDEM] News : FOSDEM Smartphone applications
In-Reply-To: <20100117082629.1511F78C6E73@apeiron.fosdem.org>
References: <20100117082629.1511F78C6E73@apeiron.fosdem.org>
Message-ID: <05E43433-028C-4C1E-87B9-FBEADA9249DC@computer.org>

Anyone porting this beast to the Openmoko (preferred SHR)?

Nikolaus


Am 17.01.2010 um 09:26 schrieb info at fosdem.org:

> In an effort to make FOSDEM even more paperless, there is now an  
> iPhone
> application with the FOSDEM schedule. The application has a few  
> features that
> make it nicer to use than the paper booklet, such as being able to  
> download
> the latest schedule, read the descriptions of all the talks or view  
> a map for
> each event. And best of all, it's not paper!
>
> The Maemo and Android apps will be published soon.
>
> -------- IPHONE  
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The source code, written by Adam Ziolkowski and Leon Handreke, is  
> available
> on GitHub [1] under the Beerware License. You can download it from the
> AppStore for free!
>
> The app is available for your iPhone over here [2].
>
> -------- MAEMO  
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Coming soon...
>
> -------- ANDROID  
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Coming soon...
>
> For more information, or to fill in the form check out:
> http://www.fosdem.org/2010/schedule/phone
>
> [1] http://github.com/leonbrussels/fosdem
> [2] http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fosdem/id348862089?mt=8&amp;uo=6
>
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> FOSDEM mailing list
> FOSDEM at lists.fosdem.org
> http://lists.fosdem.org/mailman/listinfo/fosdem



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From keegiveel at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 10:16:37 2010
From: keegiveel at gmail.com (Margo)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:16:37 +0200
Subject: qspectemu - zx spectrum emulator port for Freerunner
In-Reply-To: <201001161649.15127.psonek2@seznam.cz>
References: <201001131625.36300.psonek2@seznam.cz>
	<bc2d57b41001151211o10fb0be4md981784aef506b43@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001161649.15127.psonek2@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <bc2d57b41001170116q21a01bb1m6e20f1b47a00309@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/16 Radek Polak <psonek2 at seznam.cz>:
> You have to make binding for it. It's just like any other key (displayed on
> the top of the keyboard picture).
>
> Hope it helps
>
> Regards
>
> Radek

Thanks, it helped.


From timo.jyrinki at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 11:39:16 2010
From: timo.jyrinki at gmail.com (Timo Jyrinki)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:39:16 +0200
Subject: qspectemu - zx spectrum emulator port for Freerunner
In-Reply-To: <201001131625.36300.psonek2@seznam.cz>
References: <201001131625.36300.psonek2@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <68da43e01001170239t5e1dbb77v7902ca4d0f566bd0@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/13 Radek Polak <psonek2 at seznam.cz>:
> i have just finished porting of spectemu[1] to Qt and Freerunner.

Thanks. I have to check how my BASIC programs from ca. 1989-1990 work
on my Neo :)

-Timo


From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Sun Jan 17 11:51:48 2010
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:51:48 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] Building QtMoko failed
In-Reply-To: <4B51B438.1090008@free.fr>
References: <4B4D7235.3090202@free.fr> <201001151317.06614.psonek2@seznam.cz>
	<4B51B438.1090008@free.fr>
Message-ID: <201001171151.48952.psonek2@seznam.cz>

Yann SLADEK wrote:

> Hi Radek,
> 
> I found why I got this error, Karmic Koala has only QT 4.5.3. So I used
> a PPA to get QT 4.6 and try to compile again.
> I got another error immediatly after the 'make' althought before 'make'
> was returning an error maybe 10 minutes after starting
> 
>     mav at MavDesktop:~/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/build$ make
>     make: running qbuild default
>     Project () ERROR: An error occured while evaluating a QBuild script
>     extension.
>          File:    /home/mav/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/qtmoko/qbuild.pro at 87
>          Error:   SyntaxError: Parse error
>     <anonymous>()@:6696
> 
>     make: *** [all] Abandon

Can you please try compiling with QT 4.5 first? Now it should be as enough to 
do following:

cd qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt
git fetch origin
git checkout 4c50d944b61f81d8bf17c962e65907582fca196c

It's btw branch qtmoko-v17 - QT 4.5.2 with patches for version v14. Your git 
log in qtopiacore/qt should display following:

Regards

Radek

commit 4c50d944b61f81d8bf17c962e65907582fca196c
Author: Radek Polak <psonek2 at seznam.cz>
Date:   Sun Jan 17 11:25:25 2010 +0100

    Enable virtual keyboard in password input fields


commit 942ae93fe9aa14d1555499b9077490988f3a9895
Author: ghislain <ghislain at basetrend.nl>
Date:   Sun Jan 17 11:23:48 2010 +0100

    Enable keyboard in web brower for password fields.

    Yesterday I found and repaired a little bug in the 'Web Browser': when
    entering a password-field the keyboard doesn't show.


commit 45a2eb04518fa2ecaf510ddf082d6e6488d05da4
Author: Franky Van Liedekerke <liedekef at telenet.be>
Date:   Sun Jan 17 11:22:34 2010 +0100

    In order to have the alarm on-time: CFG_CLOCK_MONOTONIC=no


commit 4b2b47ac6c9fe284dce45cf33ff674d7110c1619
Author: Simon Hausmann <simon.hausmann at nokia.com>


From smund3 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 14:15:34 2010
From: smund3 at gmail.com (=?windows-1252?Q?=C5smund_Stavdahl?=)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:15:34 +0100
Subject: Qt Extended download link down
Message-ID: <4B530D76.4040101@googlemail.com>

Hi folks,

The link on openmoko.org to Qt Extended 4.4.3 
(http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/) seems to be 
down at the moment ? do you know of anywhere else I can find it?


From karadog at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 14:28:37 2010
From: karadog at gmail.com (HouYu Li)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:28:37 +0800
Subject: Qt Extended download link down
In-Reply-To: <4B530D76.4040101@googlemail.com>
References: <4B530D76.4040101@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <ea736a481001170528i1ced96cbv5cc311ba875ad1d0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, thank you for your interesting in Qt Extended, but it's not
available now. Please refer to QtMoko. Thanks...

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:15 PM, ?smund Stavdahl <smund3 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> The link on openmoko.org to Qt Extended 4.4.3
> (http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/) seems to be
> down at the moment ? do you know of anywhere else I can find it?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>



-- 
Best Regards

HouYu Li, Karajan

karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com
karadog (at) gmail.com
lihouyu (at) phpex.net

PHP Developer
Red Hat Certified Engineer

Shanghai, China


From neiljerram at googlemail.com  Sun Jan 17 15:24:16 2010
From: neiljerram at googlemail.com (Neil Jerram)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:24:16 +0000
Subject: [debian/fso] how to enable wlan again?
In-Reply-To: <op.u6m5quwp41evsb@ginguppin>
References: <op.u6mvtqgx41evsb@ginguppin>
	<49dd78621001161031o39019443vca3fa9c5a1acf729@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u6m2e1xh41evsb@ginguppin> <1263671543.1864.7.camel@work.bsdmn.ru>
	<op.u6m5quwp41evsb@ginguppin>
Message-ID: <49dd78621001170624g6d7ceb10o971522db1e00a562@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/16 arne anka <openmoko at ginguppin.de>:
>>> looks, like the neither the modules nor the kernel itself do contain the
>>> ar6000 driver necessary ...
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You have to load 2 modules to enable wifi ?- s3cmci and ar6000.
>
> as stated above, at least ar6000 is simply missing.

I have no sign of ar6000 either - i.e. 'find /lib/modules -name
"ar6*"' gives no results, and 'lsmod' doesn't mention ar6000.  But my
wifi is working all the same.  I guess that means it's built into
Timo's kernel.

This is with http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/moko/kernel_20100108_nodebug_nopreempt/uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_oma-andy-2a04ce8203d7d0f1.bin.

         Neil


From fdvjoif at vodafone.it  Sun Jan 17 15:26:57 2010
From: fdvjoif at vodafone.it (Joif)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 06:26:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [QtMoko] QtMoko v16B, few questions and issues
Message-ID: <1263738417553-4408446.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi, I'm a new neo freerunner user, I installed Qtmoko v16B on the NAND. 
I have few questions:
1) From http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/
<<You should have FAT as first partition and swap on /dev/mmcblk0p4. Can be
changed in /etc/fstab>>
It is necessary to create a swap partion on the SD if I use Qtmoko on the
NAND?
2) I prefer that GPS, bluetooth and wifi don't start automatically at the
boot, wich file I have to edit to do that?
3) In movement writing sms with the default keyboards is not comfortable (my
fingers are large :P ), I prefer to use the tipical phone keyboard used in
the dialer or to insert the PIN of the SIM card. Is it possible to use this
keyboard (maybe with prediction) for sms? how to change the prediction file?
4) it seems to me that the 'rotation' stretches the image on screen, is
there another app to rotate the screen without stretch maybe using the
accelerometers?
5) are "web browser" and "arora" able to read web pages with java and/or
flash?
6) For downloadig apps is there a particular repository to add? 
7) issues with v16b: after a suspend the "devtools" do not work properly,
it's impossible to turn on GPS, Wifi, Bluetooth and also the bar at the
bottom of the screen (with the menu and green arrow) doesn't work properly
(clicking the green arrow open or close the menu instead of turning back, I
have to click more time to turn back). the devtools and bar seem to work
again after some attempts.
thank you!

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From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Sun Jan 17 15:31:48 2010
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:31:48 +0100
Subject: [debian/fso] how to enable wlan again?
In-Reply-To: <49dd78621001170624g6d7ceb10o971522db1e00a562@mail.gmail.com>
References: <op.u6mvtqgx41evsb@ginguppin>
	<49dd78621001161031o39019443vca3fa9c5a1acf729@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u6m2e1xh41evsb@ginguppin> <1263671543.1864.7.camel@work.bsdmn.ru>
	<op.u6m5quwp41evsb@ginguppin>
	<49dd78621001170624g6d7ceb10o971522db1e00a562@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.u6ola9ee41evsb@ginguppin>

> I have no sign of ar6000 either - i.e. 'find /lib/modules -name
> "ar6*"' gives no results, and 'lsmod' doesn't mention ar6000.  But my
> wifi is working all the same.  I guess that means it's built into
> Timo's kernel.

well, that's what i checked the config for ... and while looking for the  
link to that file, i realize, it's only  diff ...

> This is with  
> http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/moko/kernel_20100108_nodebug_nopreempt/uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_oma-andy-2a04ce8203d7d0f1.bin.

yeah, that's the one.
ok, will check again, since i don'tz use opp anymore, i have to find the  
necessary fso dbus calls elsewhere.

thanks


From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Sun Jan 17 16:16:26 2010
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:16:26 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] QtMoko v16B, few questions and issues
In-Reply-To: <1263738417553-4408446.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1263738417553-4408446.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <201001171616.26453.psonek2@seznam.cz>

Joif wrote:

> Hi, I'm a new neo freerunner user, I installed Qtmoko v16B on the NAND.

Hi :)

> I have few questions:
> 1) It is necessary to create a swap partion on the SD if I use Qtmoko on the
> NAND?

No it's not necessary, but it can help if you are using some memory hungry 
apps.

> 2) I prefer that GPS, bluetooth and wifi don't start automatically at the
> boot, wich file I have to edit to do that?

You can add in /etc/inid.d/qpe.sh

echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on
echo s3c2440-sdi > /sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c2440-sdi/unbind
echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on

Maybe you'll have to power them on manually from the devel menu then.

> 3) In movement writing sms with the default keyboards is not comfortable
>  (my fingers are large :P ), I prefer to use the tipical phone keyboard
>  used in the dialer or to insert the PIN of the SIM card. Is it possible to
>  use this keyboard (maybe with prediction) for sms? how to change the
>  prediction file?

The keyboards should work like plugins. It should be quite easy to write 
better keyboard. Maybe i'll try to write something usable soon. Not sure about 
the prediction...

>  4) it seems to me that the 'rotation' stretches the image
>  on screen, is there another app to rotate the screen without stretch maybe
>  using the accelerometers?

I am not aware of such app. Please note that some apps like Arora can 
autorotate the screen using accelerometers automatically.

> 5) are "web browser" and "arora" able to read web pages with java and/or
> flash?

Probably not.

> 6) For downloadig apps is there a particular repository to add?

The official repo should be already setup in software packages menu. There are 
about 15 apps there. I am not aware of any other repo.

> 7) issues with v16b: after a suspend the "devtools" do not work properly,
> it's impossible to turn on GPS, Wifi, Bluetooth and also the bar at the
> bottom of the screen (with the menu and green arrow) doesn't work properly
> (clicking the green arrow open or close the menu instead of turning back, I
> have to click more time to turn back). the devtools and bar seem to work
> again after some attempts.

The green arrow in menu is some bug in QT 4.6 Dead bluetooth after suspend is 
long known problem, but Wifi and GPS should survive suspends just fine. Maybe 
you can cat the above sysfs files from ssh to see what is happening. Also 
/etc/inid.d/bluetooth restart can help some.

Regards

Radek


From robin.humble+om at anu.edu.au  Sun Jan 17 16:36:12 2010
From: robin.humble+om at anu.edu.au (Robin Humble)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:36:12 -0500
Subject: [wikireader] sd card
Message-ID: <20100117153612.GA22116@grizzly.cita.utoronto.ca>

Hi,

a non-original microSD card that I bought doesn't perform too well in
my wikireader. the non-orig card is a type '6' like the orig (I think),
and scan_sd's at 129k like the orig, but sometimes it's slow/erratic
when copying files from my laptop.
possibly the non-orig card is just crap...

there are really big (1 to 3 second) delays in search typing and
history and when clicking on links. the backspace key often deletes 2
to 4 characters on one press. scrolling works fine at normal speed.

anyway, I thought I'd ask if there are perhaps variables/timeouts in
the wikireader's SD i/o (SPI?) code that I could tweak to try to get
it to react better. I'm hoping the non-orig card might be ok, just that
sometimes it's taking a bit longer to react than expected and crossing
some timeout threshold in the code? dunno.

cheers,
robin


From mickey at vanille-media.de  Sun Jan 17 16:44:50 2010
From: mickey at vanille-media.de (Michael 'Mickey' Lauer)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:44:50 +0100
Subject: [debian] illume/e17: relict after killing X/illume
In-Reply-To: <op.u6msuxpt41evsb@ginguppin>
References: <op.u6msuxpt41evsb@ginguppin>
Message-ID: <1263743090.24556.2.camel@andromeda>

Am Samstag, den 16.01.2010, 16:19 +0100 schrieb arne anka:
> every time after switching to a runlevel w/o X there's still one process  
> left:
> 
> /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/battery/linux-gnueabi-arm-ver-svn-05/batget  
> 64
> 
> and it's not even reused when restarting X, but a new one will be created.
> i am pretty sure, even that process has to be killed when shutting down  
> e17/illume (or whatever starts it).

I'd wish someone could write an e17 plugin to get the battery
information from FSO.

-- 
:M:



From robin.humble+om at anu.edu.au  Sun Jan 17 16:51:33 2010
From: robin.humble+om at anu.edu.au (Robin Humble)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:51:33 -0500
Subject: [wikireader] wikiquotes
Message-ID: <20100117155133.GB22116@grizzly.cita.utoronto.ca>

if anyone is keen to get wikiquotes on their wikireader then this
one-liner sed script will reformat enwikiquote-*-pages-articles.xml
so that its articles and references come up as "title (wikiquote)".

  sed 's+</title>+ (wikiquote)</title>+;s+<text .*#redirect.*\[\[.*\]\]+&__MAGIC__+;s+<text .*#REDIRECT.*\[\[.*\]\]+&__MAGIC__+' | sed 's+\]\]__MAGIC__+ (wikiquote)]]+'

it can be then be parsed and rendered alongside enwiki and the articles
don't conflict, and when searching it's clear which articles you're
getting. seems to work ok.

I tried the same trick with enwiktionary (plus fixing internal links to
point to wiktionary) a few weeks ago, but without much success -
wiktionary had too much complex formatting in the pages to be useful.
maybe now that templates are in wikireader code it might be better.

cheers,
robin


From keegiveel at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 17:20:20 2010
From: keegiveel at gmail.com (Margo)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:20:20 +0200
Subject: [QtMoko] QtMoko v16B, few questions and issues
In-Reply-To: <1263738417553-4408446.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1263738417553-4408446.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <bc2d57b41001170820i38afb57w180ee4139a89c0f3@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/17 Joif <fdvjoif at vodafone.it>:
>
> 7) issues with v16b: after a suspend the "devtools" do not work properly,
> it's impossible to turn on GPS, Wifi, Bluetooth and also the bar at the
> bottom of the screen (with the menu and green arrow) doesn't work properly
> (clicking the green arrow open or close the menu instead of turning back, I
> have to click more time to turn back). the devtools and bar seem to work
> again after some attempts.
> thank you!
>

Hi,
I also have some problems with v16b version of qtmoko.
1) can't connect to wifi using the internet settings menu. First it
said "Wireless LAN unavailable" and there was no "WLAN detection"
option in the menu. After many reboots it said "Wireless LAN offline"
(as it should) and it found my network but didn't connect (just said
"connecting" for a while and then said "not connected"). It did work
in some of the earlier versions of qtmoko. But I can connect to wifi
from command line with "ifconfig usb0 down ; iwconfig eth0 essid
my_essid ; udhcpc eth0" (although the udhcpc command takes very long
time to get the IP).
2) when trying to delete a configured connection from the internet
settings menu, the phone hangs and I have to pull out the battery.
3) the battery level indicator acts weird. Sometimes it shows as it is
charging even if the battery is full. Sometimes after restart it shows
as the battery is full even if it is maybe only 10%. Sometimes when
charging, it doesn't show that it is charging and "cat
/sys/class/power_supply/battery/status" says "not charging" but
actually it does charge because after some time the battery is full.
4) bluetooth doesn't work after suspend-resume. But I think the same
issue was in all of the earlier versions too and it is an old and
known bug.
5) on incoming call the phone only rings a few times and then just vibrates.


From fdvjoif at vodafone.it  Sun Jan 17 17:53:19 2010
From: fdvjoif at vodafone.it (Joif)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 08:53:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [QtMoko] QtMoko v16B, few questions and issues
In-Reply-To: <201001171616.26453.psonek2@seznam.cz>
References: <1263738417553-4408446.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<201001171616.26453.psonek2@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <1263747199766-4409033.post@n2.nabble.com>


thanks for the answer!


Radek Polak wrote:
> 
>> 1) It is necessary to create a swap partion on the SD if I use Qtmoko on
>> the
>> NAND?
> 
> No it's not necessary, but it can help if you are using some memory hungry 
> apps.
> 
and what about its dimension and file system (ext2?)? I have a 8 GB Kingston
uSD.


Radek Polak wrote:
> 
>> 2) I prefer that GPS, bluetooth and wifi don't start automatically at the
>> boot, wich file I have to edit to do that?
> 
> You can add in /etc/inid.d/qpe.sh
> 
> echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on
> echo s3c2440-sdi > /sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c2440-sdi/unbind
> echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on
> 
> Maybe you'll have to power them on manually from the devel menu then.
> 
this is exactly what I want :) 
but in case the "devtools" do not work what are the commands for turning on
all this stuff?
EDIT: it seems that a more determined click on the icon make the devtools
work :D

Ah, I forgot another issue: yesterday I sent a long sms but receiving an
error every time I tried to send it, but the recipient received correctly
this sms every time. Also, this recipient sent to me a long sms too but I
didn't receive it (tried to reboot but nothing).

lastest question (for now :) ): is there a possibility to use MMS?

thank you!

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From fdvjoif at vodafone.it  Sun Jan 17 18:45:22 2010
From: fdvjoif at vodafone.it (Joif)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 09:45:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [QtMoko] QtMoko v16B, few questions and issues
In-Reply-To: <201001171616.26453.psonek2@seznam.cz>
References: <1263738417553-4408446.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Radek Polak wrote:
> 
>> 2) I prefer that GPS, bluetooth and wifi don't start automatically at the
>> boot, wich file I have to edit to do that?
> 
> You can add in /etc/inid.d/qpe.sh
> 
> echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on
> echo s3c2440-sdi > /sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c2440-sdi/unbind
> echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on
> 
> Maybe you'll have to power them on manually from the devel menu then.
> 

mmmmmh wifi is off, bluetooth is still running and I don't know about GPS,
NeronGPS don't tell me if the GPS is on or off.
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From fradeve11 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 20:04:20 2010
From: fradeve11 at gmail.com (fradeve11 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:04:20 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [QtMoko] How to update TangoGPS maps?
Message-ID: <g4k74tcehsa9z2ad54UYAxe124vaj_firegpg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I'm using QtMoko V17 (great work, folks!), and I'm searching for a way to update maps of TangoGPS, which is running in QX...

thanks ;)
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From daswaldhorn at gmx.de  Sun Jan 17 20:35:02 2010
From: daswaldhorn at gmx.de (Carsten Gerlach)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:35:02 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] How to update TangoGPS maps?
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Message-ID: <201001172035.08250.daswaldhorn@gmx.de>

Hi,

Am Sonntag 17. Januar 2010 20:04:20 schrieb fradeve11 at gmail.com:
> Hi all,
> I'm using QtMoko V17 (great work, folks!), and I'm searching for a way to
> update maps of TangoGPS, which is running in QX...

Have a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh!

Greetings,  Carsten



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From ba1020 at homie.homelinux.net  Sun Jan 17 20:47:40 2010
From: ba1020 at homie.homelinux.net (Juergen Schinker)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:47:40 +0000
Subject: AW: New project openmokontrol
In-Reply-To: <4B4C9F9B.8050308@gmail.com>
References: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>	<20607da11001042024x6aaa3542td0bf6a0ac2347f3f@mail.gmail.com>	<359c5481001042113x53341c1xd1afcd65b3b9b340@mail.gmail.com>	<20607da11001120111q73aced7csa654412ace175035@mail.gmail.com>	<861808.48859.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<4B4C9F9B.8050308@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B53695C.3090508@homie.homelinux.net>

David Wagner wrote:
> hab keen oh ne a ?crit :
>> You could extrakt the ipkg file and move the binary to /usr/bin. Otherwise you could install the debian package, which should soon be available in the Hackable:1 feeds.
>>
> 
> It will be available tomorrow at
> http://build.hackable1.org/debian/dists/wip/main/binary-armel/ (and for
> some other archs too)
> 
> I tested it, it's awesome :D
> 
> David
> 

i tested it as well - it's cool with extremetuxracer

although i couldn't find openmokontrol in the repos...

Juergen


From rusolis at poczta.fm  Sun Jan 17 20:50:54 2010
From: rusolis at poczta.fm (Michal Brzozowski)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:50:54 +0000
Subject: [Shr-Devel] GSM wont stay off
In-Reply-To: <1263645309.23348.11.camel@rattus>
References: <1263615653.23348.8.camel@rattus>
	<8b48b1571001152343v69415eb9ua8fabb35a2a58003@mail.gmail.com>
	<1263645309.23348.11.camel@rattus>
Message-ID: <8b48b1571001171150h71c770d4lb9874bd28147d212@mail.gmail.com>

I don?t know why, but I have very bad battery life with one of the recent
shr-testing. About 20hrs of suspend time, with gsm off. Does anyone know
what can be the issue?

2010/1/16 William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>

> I was able to overcome it by stopping phonefsod.  And when I restarted
> phonefsod, it worked normally.  As a bonus, it seemed to last a lot
> longer when suspended.
>
> BillK
>
>
>
> On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 08:43 +0100, Michal Brzozowski wrote:
> > Confirmed. I don't even have a sim card in the phone, and it's still
> > always on. It even drains the battery when suspended.
> >
> > 2010/1/16 William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
> >         Can someone confirm that with current shr-testing:
> >
> >         1. Disable GSM via the shr-settings/phone screen (turn
> >         "antenna off")
> >         2. suspend the phone
> >         3. resume the phone manually
> >         4. "Antenna Off" slider is now back in the on position and if
> >         you
> >         check /var/log/frameworkd.log it really is starting GSM up
> >         again.
> >
> >         If others see this I'll raise a bug (I have made some kernel
> >         changes to
> >         my FR so it might be just me :)
> >
> >         I actually found out when I tried to turn GSM off while on a
> >         plane trip
> >         so I could use the FR just as a PDA ... and found after
> >         resuming it was
> >         st6ill registered to a carrier :(
> >
> >         As well, the various displays need fixing to show the true
> >         status of the
> >         GSM TX as what do you do when the hostie says "is that phone
> >         off" - and
> >         you have a nice strong signal showing, or a carrier name ...
> >
> >         BillK
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >         --
> >         William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
> >         Home in Perth!
> >
> >         _______________________________________________
> >         Shr-devel mailing list
> >         Shr-devel at lists.shr-project.org
> >         http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-devel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Shr-devel mailing list
> > Shr-devel at lists.shr-project.org
> > http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-devel
> --
> William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
> Home in Perth!
>
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From xbarnada at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 20:55:02 2010
From: xbarnada at gmail.com (Xavier Barnada Rius)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:55:02 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] How to update TangoGPS maps?
In-Reply-To: <g4k74tcehsa9z2ad54UYAxe124vaj_firegpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <g4k74tcehsa9z2ad54UYAxe124vaj_firegpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001172055.02267.xbarnada@gmail.com>

> Hi all,
> I'm using QtMoko V17 (great work, folks!), and I'm searching for a way to
>  update maps of TangoGPS, which is running in QX...

I'm a Shr user  but I think it will run with QtMoko.I use Yaouh!

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh


From frederik.sdun at googlemail.com  Sun Jan 17 22:49:36 2010
From: frederik.sdun at googlemail.com (Frederik Sdun)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:49:36 +0100
Subject: using FSO to controll secondary phone?
In-Reply-To: <m3fx65ut8g.fsf@verona.se>
References: <m3fx65ut8g.fsf@verona.se>
Message-ID: <20100117214934.GA30893@thinky>

* joakim at verona.se <joakim at verona.se> [17.01.2010 07:45]:
> Would it be possible to attach a secondary phone over BT to the
> Freerunner and controll it with FSO, the same way as the inbuilt phone
> device?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Joakim Verona
> 
> 
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I think over bluetooth is not possible. But if you can establish a
network connection you can use gabriel[1[, which should be in the SHR repo
since yesterday.

Regards, Frederik
[1] gabriel.svn.sourceforge.net
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From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Sun Jan 17 23:17:03 2010
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:17:03 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] QtMoko v16B, few questions and issues
In-Reply-To: <bc2d57b41001170820i38afb57w180ee4139a89c0f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1263738417553-4408446.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<bc2d57b41001170820i38afb57w180ee4139a89c0f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001172317.03474.psonek2@seznam.cz>

Margo wrote:

> I also have some problems with v16b version of qtmoko.
> 1) can't connect to wifi using the internet settings menu. First it
> said "Wireless LAN unavailable" and there was no "WLAN detection"
> option in the menu. After many reboots it said "Wireless LAN offline"
> (as it should) and it found my network but didn't connect (just said
> "connecting" for a while and then said "not connected"). It did work
> in some of the earlier versions of qtmoko. But I can connect to wifi
> from command line with "ifconfig usb0 down ; iwconfig eth0 essid
> my_essid ; udhcpc eth0" (although the udhcpc command takes very long
> time to get the IP).

It's probably kernel related to disabled preempt. The patch already exits. You 
can either use older kernel or wait for me to make new one :)

> 2) when trying to delete a configured connection from the internet
> settings menu, the phone hangs and I have to pull out the battery.

Fixed in git and will be in next release.

> 3) the battery level indicator acts weird. Sometimes it shows as it is
> charging even if the battery is full. Sometimes after restart it shows
> as the battery is full even if it is maybe only 10%. Sometimes when
> charging, it doesn't show that it is charging and "cat
> /sys/class/power_supply/battery/status" says "not charging" but
> actually it does charge because after some time the battery is full.

Can be also related to kernel config.

> 4) bluetooth doesn't work after suspend-resume. But I think the same
> issue was in all of the earlier versions too and it is an old and
> known bug.

Yes

> 5) on incoming call the phone only rings a few times and then just
>  vibrates.

If it wasnt in previous version, then it's again kernel config related.

Thanks for reports

Radek


From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Sun Jan 17 23:19:04 2010
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:19:04 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] QtMoko v16B, few questions and issues
In-Reply-To: <1263747199766-4409033.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1263738417553-4408446.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<201001171616.26453.psonek2@seznam.cz>
	<1263747199766-4409033.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <201001172319.04891.psonek2@seznam.cz>

Joif wrote:

> EDIT: it seems that a more determined click on the icon make the devtools
> work :D

I plan better feedback, but it's on very long list :)
 
> Ah, I forgot another issue: yesterday I sent a long sms but receiving an
> error every time I tried to send it, but the recipient received correctly
> this sms every time. Also, this recipient sent to me a long sms too but I
> didn't receive it (tried to reboot but nothing).

Seems that there is something wrong how Qtopia handles long SMS messages. Any 
help welcome :)

> lastest question (for now :) ): is there a possibility to use MMS?

MMS settings are there but havent tried if it works.

Regards

Radek


From fercerpav at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 23:23:57 2010
From: fercerpav at gmail.com (Paul Fertser)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 01:23:57 +0300
Subject: using FSO to controll secondary phone?
In-Reply-To: <20100117214934.GA30893@thinky> (Frederik Sdun's message of "Sun\,
	17 Jan 2010 22\:49\:36 +0100")
References: <m3fx65ut8g.fsf@verona.se> <20100117214934.GA30893@thinky>
Message-ID: <m2bpgs5q0y.fsf@home.pavel.comp>

Frederik Sdun <frederik.sdun at googlemail.com> writes:
> * joakim at verona.se <joakim at verona.se> [17.01.2010 07:45]:
>> Would it be possible to attach a secondary phone over BT to the
>> Freerunner and controll it with FSO, the same way as the inbuilt phone
>> device?
>
> I think over bluetooth is not possible. But if you can establish a
> network connection you can use gabriel[1[, which should be in the SHR repo
> since yesterday.

Why not bluetooth? Many cellphones expose AT interface over bluetooth,
with rfcomm channel created one can start another instance of ogsmd to
treat it like a single-line modem.

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From yann.sladek at free.fr  Sun Jan 17 23:39:48 2010
From: yann.sladek at free.fr (Yann SLADEK)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:39:48 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] Building QtMoko failed
In-Reply-To: <201001171151.48952.psonek2@seznam.cz>
References: <4B4D7235.3090202@free.fr>
	<201001151317.06614.psonek2@seznam.cz>	<4B51B438.1090008@free.fr>
	<201001171151.48952.psonek2@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <4B5391B4.8070501@free.fr>

Hi,

ok, thanks Radek, it's building now.
But, despite following what has been written into the wiki (adding 
'-languages fr_FR*' *into configure-common file or '--add-language 
fr_FR' to configure command after creating the right folder)* *, I have 
no .ts file created.

Regards,

Yann

> Yann SLADEK wrote:
>
>    
>> Hi Radek,
>>
>> I found why I got this error, Karmic Koala has only QT 4.5.3. So I used
>> a PPA to get QT 4.6 and try to compile again.
>> I got another error immediatly after the 'make' althought before 'make'
>> was returning an error maybe 10 minutes after starting
>>
>>      mav at MavDesktop:~/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/build$ make
>>      make: running qbuild default
>>      Project () ERROR: An error occured while evaluating a QBuild script
>>      extension.
>>           File:    /home/mav/OpenMoko/QTMoko-Build/qtmoko/qbuild.pro at 87
>>           Error:   SyntaxError: Parse error
>>      <anonymous>()@:6696
>>
>>      make: *** [all] Abandon
>>      
> Can you please try compiling with QT 4.5 first? Now it should be as enough to
> do following:
>
> cd qtmoko/qtopiacore/qt
> git fetch origin
> git checkout 4c50d944b61f81d8bf17c962e65907582fca196c
>
> It's btw branch qtmoko-v17 - QT 4.5.2 with patches for version v14. Your git
> log in qtopiacore/qt should display following:
>
> Regards
>
> Radek
>
> commit 4c50d944b61f81d8bf17c962e65907582fca196c
> Author: Radek Polak<psonek2 at seznam.cz>
> Date:   Sun Jan 17 11:25:25 2010 +0100
>
>      Enable virtual keyboard in password input fields
>
>
> commit 942ae93fe9aa14d1555499b9077490988f3a9895
> Author: ghislain<ghislain at basetrend.nl>
> Date:   Sun Jan 17 11:23:48 2010 +0100
>
>      Enable keyboard in web brower for password fields.
>
>      Yesterday I found and repaired a little bug in the 'Web Browser': when
>      entering a password-field the keyboard doesn't show.
>
>
> commit 45a2eb04518fa2ecaf510ddf082d6e6488d05da4
> Author: Franky Van Liedekerke<liedekef at telenet.be>
> Date:   Sun Jan 17 11:22:34 2010 +0100
>
>      In order to have the alarm on-time: CFG_CLOCK_MONOTONIC=no
>
>
> commit 4b2b47ac6c9fe284dce45cf33ff674d7110c1619
> Author: Simon Hausmann<simon.hausmann at nokia.com>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
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From timo.lindfors at iki.fi  Mon Jan 18 00:01:26 2010
From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 01:01:26 +0200
Subject: Freerunner can now play Ogg video
In-Reply-To: <201001170043.15995.psonek2@seznam.cz> (Radek Polak's message of
	"Sun\, 17 Jan 2010 00\:43\:15 +0100")
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001170043.15995.psonek2@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <84pr58nxo9.fsf@sauna.l.org>

Radek Polak <psonek2 at seznam.cz> writes:
> just little notice. Without debug stuff and preempt, Freerunner is now capable 
> of playing ogg videos in 320x240 on framebuffer without frames dropped.

Sounds very cool. Were you using tremor to decode the audio?



From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Mon Jan 18 00:14:26 2010
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:14:26 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] Building QtMoko failed
In-Reply-To: <4B5391B4.8070501@free.fr>
References: <4B4D7235.3090202@free.fr> <201001171151.48952.psonek2@seznam.cz>
	<4B5391B4.8070501@free.fr>
Message-ID: <201001180014.26415.psonek2@seznam.cz>

Yann SLADEK wrote:

> ok, thanks Radek, it's building now.
> But, despite following what has been written into the wiki (adding
> '-languages fr_FR*' *into configure-common file or '--add-language
> fr_FR' to configure command after creating the right folder)* *, I have
> no .ts file created.

You will probably need to run qbuild lupdate in qtmoko dir. It's quite nice 
descibed in the docs:

/home/radek/qte/qtmoko/doc/html/syscust-internat.html

Hope it helps

Radek


From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Mon Jan 18 00:17:50 2010
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:17:50 +0100
Subject: Freerunner can now play Ogg video
In-Reply-To: <84pr58nxo9.fsf@sauna.l.org>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001170043.15995.psonek2@seznam.cz> <84pr58nxo9.fsf@sauna.l.org>
Message-ID: <201001180017.50070.psonek2@seznam.cz>

Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:

> Sounds very cool. Were you using tremor to decode the audio?

I think it's using ffmpeg. Anyway it's mplayer from debian stable and in my 
~/.mplayer/config are these lines:

[default]
afm=ffmpeg
vfm=ffmpeg

Regards

Radek


From timo.lindfors at iki.fi  Mon Jan 18 00:41:25 2010
From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 01:41:25 +0200
Subject: Freerunner can now play Ogg video
In-Reply-To: <201001180017.50070.psonek2@seznam.cz> (Radek Polak's message of
	"Mon\, 18 Jan 2010 00\:17\:50 +0100")
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001170043.15995.psonek2@seznam.cz> <84pr58nxo9.fsf@sauna.l.org>
	<201001180017.50070.psonek2@seznam.cz>
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Radek Polak <psonek2 at seznam.cz> writes:
> I think it's using ffmpeg. Anyway it's mplayer from debian stable and in my 
> ~/.mplayer/config are these lines:

With mplayer from debian unstable videos created with

ffmpeg2theora -x 320 -y 240 --videoquality 3 --speedlevel 2 --audioquality 3 --samplerate 22050

do not play smoothly even with "-nosound".

I am using andy-tracking a3587e4ed77974ad with DEBUG and PREEMPT
disabled with Xorg and xserver-xorg-video-fbdev -- are you perhaps
using xserver-xorg-video-glamo instead?

-Timo


From denis.johnson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 01:06:24 2010
From: denis.johnson at gmail.com (Denis Johnson)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:06:24 +1000
Subject: [QtMoko] Call volumes
Message-ID: <20607da11001171606k6fa282bag231a14c7c2051b3a@mail.gmail.com>

I have switched to using QTMoko, currently running V16b and I cannot
seem to get the call volumes right. Caller is not loud enough and
caller struggles to hear me. do I need to fiddle with teh
gsmhandset.state file manually or is there a better way ? I have a
GTA02 A05 with buzzfix. Anyone have a same setup and would care to
share their state file(s)

cheers Denis


From bernd.pruenster at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 02:30:16 2010
From: bernd.pruenster at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bernd_Pr=FCnster?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:30:16 +0100
Subject: Illume2 Screenshot ???
Message-ID: <4B53B9A8.7030808@gmail.com>

i just stumbled upon this screenshot [1]
could whoever took it elaborate?

br

[1] http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/cf45ae4ee48f88d6f74504253f905843.png


From raster at rasterman.com  Mon Jan 18 02:38:05 2010
From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman))
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:38:05 +0900
Subject: Illume2 Screenshot ???
In-Reply-To: <4B53B9A8.7030808@gmail.com>
References: <4B53B9A8.7030808@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100118103805.b9457226.raster@rasterman.com>

On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:30:16 +0100 Bernd Pr?nster <bernd.pruenster at gmail.com>
said:

> i just stumbled upon this screenshot [1]
> could whoever took it elaborate?
> 
> br
> 
> [1] http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/cf45ae4ee48f88d6f74504253f905843.png

illume is being worked on in svn... if u havent noticed. hell e27 even has a
compositor module - really nice and simple one too that should work reliably as
it requires no acceleration to work - i need to add acceleration as an option
next.

illume has been split into lots of modules with core layout just one, home
screen (launcher) is another module or can be provided by an external app -
internal kbd for e is also another module - or as before can also be provided
by external app window - same for top bar (indicator). as such there is also a
dual-app mode where u can display 2 apps at once (it splits the screen
horizontally or vertically) and illume now properly supports multiple screens
etc. etc.

-- 
------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" --------------
The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)    raster at rasterman.com



From bernd.pruenster at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 02:49:58 2010
From: bernd.pruenster at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QmVybmQgUHLDvG5zdGVy?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:49:58 +0100
Subject: Illume2 Screenshot ???
In-Reply-To: <20100118103805.b9457226.raster@rasterman.com>
References: <4B53B9A8.7030808@gmail.com>
	<20100118103805.b9457226.raster@rasterman.com>
Message-ID: <4B53BE46.4050702@gmail.com>

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>
> illume is being worked on in svn... if u havent noticed. hell e27 even has a
> compositor module - really nice and simple one too that should work reliably as
> it requires no acceleration to work - i need to add acceleration as an option
> next.
>   
read that on irc somwhere... so i guess praised be samsung an their money?
> illume has been split into lots of modules with core layout just one, home
> screen (launcher) is another module or can be provided by an external app -
> internal kbd for e is also another module - or as before can also be provided
> by external app window - same for top bar (indicator). as such there is also a
> dual-app mode where u can display 2 apps at once (it splits the screen
> horizontally or vertically) and illume now properly supports multiple screens
> etc. etc.
>   
coolio!
i tried activating all the modules on shr-u and nothing worked as 
expected (yes software not software_16 used).
i played around with enlightenment_remote to avoid segfaults, still no 
indicator, no homescreen, no nothing.

i hope the person who took that screenshot can explain how he got it to 
work on the neo..

br



From billk at iinet.net.au  Mon Jan 18 03:49:37 2010
From: billk at iinet.net.au (Bill Kenworthy)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:49:37 +0800
Subject: [debian/fso] how to enable wlan again?
In-Reply-To: <49dd78621001170624g6d7ceb10o971522db1e00a562@mail.gmail.com>
References: <op.u6mvtqgx41evsb@ginguppin>
	<49dd78621001161031o39019443vca3fa9c5a1acf729@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u6m2e1xh41evsb@ginguppin> <1263671543.1864.7.camel@work.bsdmn.ru>
	<op.u6m5quwp41evsb@ginguppin>
	<49dd78621001170624g6d7ceb10o971522db1e00a562@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1263782977.12727.12.camel@troll>

On Sun, 2010-01-17 at 14:24 +0000, Neil Jerram wrote:
> 2010/1/16 arne anka <openmoko at ginguppin.de>:
> >>> looks, like the neither the modules nor the kernel itself do contain the
> >>> ar6000 driver necessary ...
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> You have to load 2 modules to enable wifi  - s3cmci and ar6000.
> >
> > as stated above, at least ar6000 is simply missing.
> 
> I have no sign of ar6000 either - i.e. 'find /lib/modules -name
> "ar6*"' gives no results, and 'lsmod' doesn't mention ar6000.  But my
> wifi is working all the same.  I guess that means it's built into
> Timo's kernel.
> 
> This is with http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/moko/kernel_20100108_nodebug_nopreempt/uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_oma-andy-2a04ce8203d7d0f1.bin.
> 
>          Neil

check /proc/config.gz to see whats been done.

BillK





From raster at rasterman.com  Mon Jan 18 05:32:32 2010
From: raster at rasterman.com (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman))
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:32:32 +0900
Subject: Illume2 Screenshot ???
In-Reply-To: <4B53BE46.4050702@gmail.com>
References: <4B53B9A8.7030808@gmail.com>
	<20100118103805.b9457226.raster@rasterman.com>
	<4B53BE46.4050702@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100118133232.805e320b.raster@rasterman.com>

On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:49:58 +0100 Bernd Pr?nster <bernd.pruenster at gmail.com>
said:

> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> >
> > illume is being worked on in svn... if u havent noticed. hell e27 even has a
> > compositor module - really nice and simple one too that should work
> > reliably as it requires no acceleration to work - i need to add
> > acceleration as an option next.
> >   
> read that on irc somwhere... so i guess praised be samsung an their money?

possibly. mind u- compositor will only work on 24/32bpp so its useless for
freerunner. but useful for devices capable of 24/32bpp (and thats a lot of them
modern ones now)

> > illume has been split into lots of modules with core layout just one, home
> > screen (launcher) is another module or can be provided by an external app -
> > internal kbd for e is also another module - or as before can also be
> > provided by external app window - same for top bar (indicator). as such
> > there is also a dual-app mode where u can display 2 apps at once (it splits
> > the screen horizontally or vertically) and illume now properly supports
> > multiple screens etc. etc.
> >   
> coolio!
> i tried activating all the modules on shr-u and nothing worked as 
> expected (yes software not software_16 used).
> i played around with enlightenment_remote to avoid segfaults, still no 
> indicator, no homescreen, no nothing.
> 
> i hope the person who took that screenshot can explain how he got it to 
> work on the neo..

i dont know how recent shr's build is - but in the wizard - select the
illume-home profile. that is the one that sets your config up right for illume2
+friends

-- 
------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" --------------
The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)    raster at rasterman.com



From bernd.pruenster at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 06:14:31 2010
From: bernd.pruenster at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QmVybmQgUHLDvG5zdGVy?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:14:31 +0100
Subject: Illume2 Screenshot ???
In-Reply-To: <20100118133232.805e320b.raster@rasterman.com>
References: <4B53B9A8.7030808@gmail.com>	<20100118103805.b9457226.raster@rasterman.com>	<4B53BE46.4050702@gmail.com>
	<20100118133232.805e320b.raster@rasterman.com>
Message-ID: <4B53EE37.7090703@gmail.com>

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> i dont know how recent shr's build is - but in the wizard - select the
> illume-home profile. that is the one that sets your config up right for illume2
> +friends
>   
That was it! works under shr... it is quite awesome, some rough edges of 
course, but still... the debian users are gonna love it!




From joakim at verona.se  Mon Jan 18 06:59:41 2010
From: joakim at verona.se (joakim at verona.se)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:59:41 +0100
Subject: using FSO to controll secondary phone?
References: <m3fx65ut8g.fsf@verona.se> <20100117214934.GA30893@thinky>
	<m2bpgs5q0y.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <m3hbqkt0ky.fsf@verona.se>

Paul Fertser <fercerpav at gmail.com> writes:

> Frederik Sdun <frederik.sdun at googlemail.com> writes:
>> * joakim at verona.se <joakim at verona.se> [17.01.2010 07:45]:
>>> Would it be possible to attach a secondary phone over BT to the
>>> Freerunner and controll it with FSO, the same way as the inbuilt phone
>>> device?
>>
>> I think over bluetooth is not possible. But if you can establish a
>> network connection you can use gabriel[1[, which should be in the SHR repo
>> since yesterday.
>
> Why not bluetooth? Many cellphones expose AT interface over bluetooth,
> with rfcomm channel created one can start another instance of ogsmd to
> treat it like a single-line modem.

I had in mind that the secondary phone(s) should be as dumb as possible,
so I dont think establishing network connections to the secondary
devices would be desirable. That would imply a smartphone-level device.

The rfcomm+ogsmd aproach thus seems more palatable.

Does anyone have any recomendations for a simple reliable phone that
would be remote controlable this way?
-- 
Joakim Verona



From yoric-k at yandex.ru  Mon Jan 18 07:05:56 2010
From: yoric-k at yandex.ru (Yoric Kotchukov)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:05:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [QtMoko] QtMoko v16B, few questions and issues
In-Reply-To: <201001172319.04891.psonek2@seznam.cz>
References: <1263738417553-4408446.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<201001171616.26453.psonek2@seznam.cz>
	<1263747199766-4409033.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<201001172319.04891.psonek2@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <1263794756444-4412033.post@n2.nabble.com>


Wish: ability to copy from the Notes etc, and inserts in Dialer etc.

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From hns at computer.org  Mon Jan 18 08:21:35 2010
From: hns at computer.org (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:21:35 +0100
Subject: Community action required: Wikipage with FOSDEM 2010 activities and
	attendants
Message-ID: <C75D0D7E-C59E-43F6-A2F2-9AAB45DE8829@computer.org>

Hi all,
I will attend FOSDEM 2010 and give a talk about experiments with  
GNUstep running on the Freerunner. Here is the schedule:

	http://fosdem.org/2010/schedule/events/gnustep_porting_quantumstep

But since I am sure there are many more attendants and activities, I  
have started a Wiki Page where you can register yourself:

	http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=FOSDEM_2010

This all should ease to keep the community from being thinned out  
during such a large event. And I am sure that there are many new  
things to learn and nice people to meet around the Freerunner.

Nikolaus




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From brolin at brolin.be  Mon Jan 18 08:40:53 2010
From: brolin at brolin.be (Brolin Empey)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:40:53 -0800
Subject: [QtMoko] Call volumes
In-Reply-To: <20607da11001171606k6fa282bag231a14c7c2051b3a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20607da11001171606k6fa282bag231a14c7c2051b3a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B541085.6010407@brolin.be>

Denis Johnson wrote:
> I have switched to using QTMoko, currently running V16b and I cannot
> seem to get the call volumes right. Caller is not loud enough and
> caller struggles to hear me. do I need to fiddle with teh
> gsmhandset.state file manually or is there a better way ? I have a
> GTA02 A05 with buzzfix. Anyone have a same setup and would care to
> share their state file(s)

I use QtMoko v14 on a buzz-fixed US GTA02 rev A6.  I needed to increase 
the mic gain in gsmhandset.state and learn to hold my FreeRunner so the 
mouthpiece is close enough to my mouth for people to be able to hear me 
well and the earpiece is close enough to my ear for me to be able to 
hear them well.  It took months of frustration of me not being able to 
hear people and/or them not being able to hear me, but I seem to finally 
be used to holding my FreeRunner in the ideal position.  Troubleshooting 
call volumes seems to be very difficult because there are so many 
variables:  volume settings on phones, the way people hold their phones, 
different form factors of phones (I did not have these problems with my 
Nokia 6103b, which is a clamshell phone, but the FreeRunner is a bar 
phone, so call volumes are more sensitive to the phone position), 
handset versus speakerphone versus headset, etc.  For example, when I 
call some call centres, such as Volkswagen Canada, both parties sound 
quiet to the other, but when I access my Fido voice mail, the voice 
menus are so loud they sound like I am using speakerphone when I am only 
using the handset.

To conclude, I suggest increasing the mic gain (I can find the details 
if you need them.), then calling someone and asking them how well they 
can hear you when you hold your FreeRunner differently until you find 
the ideal position, then try to always hold it that way.

Of course, if there is a better way to get satisfactory and consistent 
call volumes on QtMoko, please tell me! :)


From brolin at brolin.be  Mon Jan 18 08:51:57 2010
From: brolin at brolin.be (Brolin Empey)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:51:57 -0800
Subject: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your FreeRunner?
In-Reply-To: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3e504410912291230k4333ff7ufdfbf5107d3d4e13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B54131D.5050801@brolin.be>

Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?

Yes.

> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

Yes.

>
> What distribution you run most of the time?

I use only QtMoko.


-- 
Sometimes I forget how to do small talk: <http://xkcd.com/222/>

?If you have to ask why, you?re not a member of the intended audience.? 
? Bob Zimbinski, <http://webpages.mr.net/bobz/ttyquake/>


From omega.xavier at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 09:13:28 2010
From: omega.xavier at gmail.com (Xavier Cremaschi)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:13:28 +0100
Subject: [SHR-t] Some tips needed
Message-ID: <hj1578$u4k$1@ger.gmane.org>

Hi folks,

I am back on SHR since yesterday, and I need some tips to tweak it a bit.

But firstly, kudos to SHR team for their work. I used SHR until 
September 2009, then QtMoko until December, then Android until 
yesterday. SHR was quite slow and needed some tweaking, but now -- 
testing branch 14 january 2010 -- everything works out of the box (GPS, 
wifi, phone, songs) and it's faster (even more if you put the new kernel 
without debug/preempt) and with nice volume controls while calling !

My questions (from most important to less one):
- phone goes to sleep mode when tangogps is up and running. How could I 
prevent that ? IIRC, there was a way to lock a hardware resource isn't it ?
- during a test call, my voice was a bit too loud. So I lowered the mic 
volume while calling and it was better, but I think this setting has not 
been saved. Is it normal ?
- desktop scrolling is still slow (alas), what were the effects to 
disable or the theme to use to make it a bit faster ?
- midori has huge scroll bars (why a horizontal one ?), is there a way 
to optimize the useful viewable area ? Or can you recommend any other 
browser maybe ?

Thanks in advance,
Xavier.



From jahckal at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 09:28:03 2010
From: jahckal at gmail.com (Marcin =?UTF-8?Q?=C4=86wik=C5=82a?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:28:03 +0100
Subject: [SHR-t] Some tips needed
In-Reply-To: <hj1578$u4k$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <hj1578$u4k$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1263803283.5521.17.camel@creamrevolution>

Dnia 2010-01-18, pon o godzinie 09:13 +0100, Xavier Cremaschi pisze:
> Hi folks,

> My questions (from most important to less one):
> - phone goes to sleep mode when tangogps is up and running. How could I 
> prevent that ? IIRC, there was a way to lock a hardware resource isn't it ?
fsoraw -r CPU,Display tangogps
or just Display without CPU

> - during a test call, my voice was a bit too loud. So I lowered the mic 
> volume while calling and it was better, but I think this setting has not 
> been saved. Is it normal ?
I don't know testing, but there was a while in unstable, when volume
settings were saved only after reboot. So try to set the volume and
reboot phone.
> - desktop scrolling is still slow (alas), what were the effects to 
> disable or the theme to use to make it a bit faster ?
Do you have gry theme? It's quite fast i think. Try neo theme.
> - midori has huge scroll bars (why a horizontal one ?), is there a way 
> to optimize the useful viewable area ? Or can you recommend any other 
> browser maybe ?
> 

Newest one :)
http://n2.nabble.com/elm-browser-NEW-release-15-Jan-tp4357081p4357081.html

> Thanks in advance,
> Xavier.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



-- 
jahckal



From yorickmoko at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 09:31:19 2010
From: yorickmoko at gmail.com (Yorick Moko)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:31:19 +0100
Subject: [SHR-t] Some tips needed
In-Reply-To: <hj1578$u4k$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <hj1578$u4k$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <26fea52c1001180031t79f4f23l88386b77acd2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>

I don't have much time so a very quick response:

*preventing suspend: I think fsoraw is what you want (take a look at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_Resources)
*I don't think the sound settings are being saved atm
*using 16bit and no shadows, changing framerate and using faster kernel (no
debugging)
*browser: haven't tried it yet, but it looks promissing:
http://www.opkg.org/package_326.html


On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Xavier Cremaschi <omega.xavier at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I am back on SHR since yesterday, and I need some tips to tweak it a bit.
>
> But firstly, kudos to SHR team for their work. I used SHR until
> September 2009, then QtMoko until December, then Android until
> yesterday. SHR was quite slow and needed some tweaking, but now --
> testing branch 14 january 2010 -- everything works out of the box (GPS,
> wifi, phone, songs) and it's faster (even more if you put the new kernel
> without debug/preempt) and with nice volume controls while calling !
>
> My questions (from most important to less one):
> - phone goes to sleep mode when tangogps is up and running. How could I
> prevent that ? IIRC, there was a way to lock a hardware resource isn't it ?
> - during a test call, my voice was a bit too loud. So I lowered the mic
> volume while calling and it was better, but I think this setting has not
> been saved. Is it normal ?
> - desktop scrolling is still slow (alas), what were the effects to
> disable or the theme to use to make it a bit faster ?
> - midori has huge scroll bars (why a horizontal one ?), is there a way
> to optimize the useful viewable area ? Or can you recommend any other
> browser maybe ?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Xavier.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From timo.lindfors at iki.fi  Mon Jan 18 09:43:23 2010
From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:43:23 +0200
Subject: [QtMoko] Call volumes
In-Reply-To: <4B541085.6010407@brolin.be> (Brolin Empey's message of "Sun\,
	17 Jan 2010 23\:40\:53 -0800")
References: <20607da11001171606k6fa282bag231a14c7c2051b3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B541085.6010407@brolin.be>
Message-ID: <84aawbolas.fsf@sauna.l.org>

Brolin Empey <brolin at brolin.be> writes:
> handset versus speakerphone versus headset, etc.  For example, when I 
> call some call centres, such as Volkswagen Canada, both parties sound 
> quiet to the other, but when I access my Fido voice mail, the voice 
> menus are so loud they sound like I am using speakerphone when I am only 
> using the handset.

This is an interesting observation indeed. I too suffer from the
problem that some people complain that they can't hear me and others
that my voice is too loud. I can't understand what can make the
difference.


From helge.hafting at hist.no  Mon Jan 18 09:47:29 2010
From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:47:29 +0100
Subject: Encryption, Cameras and Games
In-Reply-To: <1261730412.7185.17.camel@Aves>
References: <1261730412.7185.17.camel@Aves>
Message-ID: <4B542021.1030503@hist.no>

Rashid wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> I'm going to need a very safe smart phone for using it for investigative
> reporting. 
> 
> So I have some questions before I'm going to get a Freerunner:
> 
> 1. Can you encrypt a LVM with luks like in Ubuntu? 
> 
> 2. Can you encrypt the whole phone / file-system? If not will it be
> possible in futere and is someone working on it?
> 
It runs linux, so it is  able to do anything you can do with
linux. (Within the limited processing power of the device.)
You may have to set this up yourself though, I am
not aware of anyone experimenting with encrypted filesystems.


> 3. Can you plug in an USB Cam (Like a Webcam) and use it to film
> (extremly important) on the crypted LVM? 
> 
You can plug in any USB device that linux supports.  I don't know if the 
device is fast enough to actually encrypt and store a video stream 
though. You might want to consider a really small PC like an acerONE. It 
even has a built-in webcam.


> 4. Mobile internet over GSM is working I think, or?
> 
Yes, this works fine. GPRS isn't very fast though.

> 5. Can you send the videostream / the videofile while you are recording
> via SSH (or something similar safe) to a server? The idea is, that when
> your phone is destroyed while filming you have at least the video until
> this moment.
Probably not over GPRS - not enough bandwith for video! Wifi has
enough bandwith, if you are within range of an access point.


> 6. With Hackable:1 Rev5 Chuck you can easily turn down GSM. Your
> location can't be found when its turned of, or? Can you force the GSM to
> connect to a random, far away GSM tower/connection-station to confuse
> the observers about your position?

Turning off GSM means they can't find your position using the GSM 
network any more. They still know where you were, when you turned
it off though.

I am not sure you can force a connection to a faraway tower, and it
certainly won't help you. The other towers still see the better
signal strength, so your location is still known.


> 
> We have serious problems in Europe with the freedom of the press so it
> would be great to use the freerunner with openmoko for helping freedom
> of the press.

What part of Europe would that be? Definitely not western Europe.

Helge Hafting


From helge.hafting at hist.no  Mon Jan 18 09:57:53 2010
From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:57:53 +0100
Subject: [SHR-U] Screen Calibration
In-Reply-To: <4B3A00B9.5080408@videotron.ca>
References: <4B3A00B9.5080408@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <4B542291.70202@hist.no>

Iain B. Findleton wrote:
> Anybody know how to verify screen calibration on SHR-U? I need to check
> that the X server is returning
> reasonably accurate pen touch locations.

You can turn the X11 mouse cursor on, by changing /etc/X11/Xserver

You can then see how well the cursor track your pen.

Helge Hafting


From helge.hafting at hist.no  Mon Jan 18 10:07:35 2010
From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:07:35 +0100
Subject: Some questions about TangoGPS
In-Reply-To: <b9fba49c1001090354m352b15cfm8bc95c55a58e7027@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267bb6671001080031n5aa9ad1cif4d98789e2767698@mail.gmail.com>	<4B4707D4.4020408@altern.org>
	<b9fba49c1001090354m352b15cfm8bc95c55a58e7027@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B5424D7.80905@hist.no>

Noel wrote:
> I'm the only one who sees the **big** advantage of navit over
> tangogps, as being able to work **offline**, with very-easy-to-get
> maps? You said that tango is "very fast and very efficient at
> displaying your position". What's the use if the position is displayed
> on an empty map?

Download all the maps you need once when you're online.
Tangogps will work fine offline after that.
(The same goes for navit - you have to give it a map
to work with. Tangogps merely has the option of downloading
maps when needed.)

Helge Hafting


From omega.xavier at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 10:12:28 2010
From: omega.xavier at gmail.com (Xavier Cremaschi)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:12:28 +0100
Subject: [SHR-t] Some tips needed
In-Reply-To: <hj1578$u4k$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <hj1578$u4k$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4B5425FC.4000404@gmail.com>

Thanks Marcin and Yorick !



From dscaini at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 10:26:02 2010
From: dscaini at gmail.com (Davide Scaini)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:26:02 +0100
Subject: [SHR-t] Some tips needed
In-Reply-To: <4B5425FC.4000404@gmail.com>
References: <hj1578$u4k$1@ger.gmane.org> <4B5425FC.4000404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18db98c81001180126s55bbe1aeg22b90478ae2f82d1@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Xavier Cremaschi
<omega.xavier at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks Marcin and Yorick !
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>

soud setting are saved after reboot afaik... :P just try
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From deubeuliou at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 11:45:22 2010
From: deubeuliou at gmail.com (David Wagner)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:45:22 +0100
Subject: AW: New project openmokontrol
In-Reply-To: <4B53695C.3090508@homie.homelinux.net>
References: <568361.86147.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>	<20607da11001042024x6aaa3542td0bf6a0ac2347f3f@mail.gmail.com>	<359c5481001042113x53341c1xd1afcd65b3b9b340@mail.gmail.com>	<20607da11001120111q73aced7csa654412ace175035@mail.gmail.com>	<861808.48859.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>	<4B4C9F9B.8050308@gmail.com>
	<4B53695C.3090508@homie.homelinux.net>
Message-ID: <4B543BC2.9000906@gmail.com>

Juergen Schinker a ?crit :
> David Wagner wrote:
>> hab keen oh ne a ?crit :
>>> You could extrakt the ipkg file and move the binary to /usr/bin. Otherwise you could install the debian package, which should soon be available in the Hackable:1 feeds.
>>>
>> It will be available tomorrow at
>> http://build.hackable1.org/debian/dists/wip/main/binary-armel/ (and for
>> some other archs too)
>>
>> I tested it, it's awesome :D
>>
>> David
>>
> 
> i tested it as well - it's cool with extremetuxracer
> 
> although i couldn't find openmokontrol in the repos...

It's not in the rev5 repos but in the "wip":
http://build.hackable1.org/debian/dists/wip/main/binary-armel/openmokontrol_0.1-1_armel.deb


> 
> Juergen
> 
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



From mike at mikecrash.com  Mon Jan 18 13:08:51 2010
From: mike at mikecrash.com (Mike Crash)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 04:08:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Touchscreen calibration with evdev
Message-ID: <1263816531478-4413295.post@n2.nabble.com>


I have upgraded my Debian system on GTA02 and found, that the new udev is not
compatible with current kernel in Debian. So I have compiled andy kernel and
also upgraded the X.org server with new version. All works fine, but I have
found, that new X is not using tslib, it loads simply evdev for touchscreen:

(II) config/udev: Adding input device "s3c2410 TouchScreen"
(/dev/input/event1)
(**) "s3c2410 TouchScreen": always reports core events
(**) "s3c2410 TouchScreen": Device: "/dev/input/event1"
(II) "s3c2410 TouchScreen": Found absolute axes
(II) "s3c2410 TouchScreen": Found x and y absolute axes
(II) "s3c2410 TouchScreen": Found absolute touchscreen
(II) "s3c2410 TouchScreen": Configuring as touchscreen
(**) "s3c2410 TouchScreen": YAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
(**) "s3c2410 TouchScreen": EmulateWheelButton: 4, EmulateWheelInertia: 10,
EmulateWhee
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device ""s3c2410 TouchScreen"" (type:
TOUCHSCREEN)
(**) "s3c2410 TouchScreen": (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
(**) "s3c2410 TouchScreen": (accel) acceleration profile 0
(II) "s3c2410 TouchScreen": initialized for absolute axes.

But the calibration is gone and I don't know, how to calibrate it. At least
X and Y axis are reversed. I have tried this in xorg.conf, but it doesn't
help (it seems the section was not recognized):

Section "InputDevice"
        Identifier      "Configured Touchscreen"
        Driver          "evdev"
        Option          "Device"                 "/dev/input/event1"
        Option          "AbsoluteScreen"         "0"
        Option          "XAbsoluteAxisMap"       "1"
        Option          "YAbsoluteAxisMap"       "0"
EndSection

Does anybody know, how to calibrate the screen?

Thank you

Mike
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From martin.jansa at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 13:14:56 2010
From: martin.jansa at gmail.com (Martin Jansa)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:14:56 +0100
Subject: Touchscreen calibration with evdev
In-Reply-To: <1263816531478-4413295.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1263816531478-4413295.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <20100118121456.GQ30938@jama>

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 04:08:51AM -0800, Mike Crash wrote:
> 
> I have upgraded my Debian system on GTA02 and found, that the new udev is not
> compatible with current kernel in Debian. So I have compiled andy kernel and
> also upgraded the X.org server with new version. All works fine, but I have
> found, that new X is not using tslib, it loads simply evdev for touchscreen:
> 
> (II) config/udev: Adding input device "s3c2410 TouchScreen"
> (/dev/input/event1)
> (**) "s3c2410 TouchScreen": always reports core events
> (**) "s3c2410 TouchScreen": Device: "/dev/input/event1"
> (II) "s3c2410 TouchScreen": Found absolute axes
> (II) "s3c2410 TouchScreen": Found x and y absolute axes
> (II) "s3c2410 TouchScreen": Found absolute touchscreen
> (II) "s3c2410 TouchScreen": Configuring as touchscreen
> (**) "s3c2410 TouchScreen": YAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
> (**) "s3c2410 TouchScreen": EmulateWheelButton: 4, EmulateWheelInertia: 10,
> EmulateWhee
> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device ""s3c2410 TouchScreen"" (type:
> TOUCHSCREEN)
> (**) "s3c2410 TouchScreen": (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
> (**) "s3c2410 TouchScreen": (accel) acceleration profile 0
> (II) "s3c2410 TouchScreen": initialized for absolute axes.
> 
> But the calibration is gone and I don't know, how to calibrate it. At least
> X and Y axis are reversed. I have tried this in xorg.conf, but it doesn't
> help (it seems the section was not recognized):
> 
> Section "InputDevice"
>         Identifier      "Configured Touchscreen"
>         Driver          "evdev"
>         Option          "Device"                 "/dev/input/event1"
>         Option          "AbsoluteScreen"         "0"
>         Option          "XAbsoluteAxisMap"       "1"
>         Option          "YAbsoluteAxisMap"       "0"
> EndSection
> 
> Does anybody know, how to calibrate the screen?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Mike

We (SHR) are using this (maybe not optimal but works)
http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/xserver-kdrive-common/xserver-kdrive-common/shr/89xTs_Calibrate

Cheers

-- 
uin:136542059                jid:Martin.Jansa at gmail.com
Jansa Martin                 sip:jamasip at voip.wengo.fr 
JaMa                         


From openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk  Mon Jan 18 14:10:49 2010
From: openmoko at mazikeen.demon.co.uk (Al Johnson)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:10:49 +0000
Subject: Encryption, Cameras and Games
In-Reply-To: <4B542021.1030503@hist.no>
References: <1261730412.7185.17.camel@Aves> <4B542021.1030503@hist.no>
Message-ID: <201001181310.49554.openmoko@mazikeen.demon.co.uk>

On Monday 18 January 2010, Helge Hafting wrote:
> Rashid wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I'm going to need a very safe smart phone for using it for investigative
> > reporting.
> >
> > So I have some questions before I'm going to get a Freerunner:

> > 3. Can you plug in an USB Cam (Like a Webcam) and use it to film
> > (extremly important) on the crypted LVM?
> 
> You can plug in any USB device that linux supports.  I don't know if the
> device is fast enough to actually encrypt and store a video stream
> though. You might want to consider a really small PC like an acerONE. It
> even has a built-in webcam.

There is a further limitation - the port is usb1.1 while many modern webcams 
require usb2 bandwidth because they don't compress the video stream.

> > We have serious problems in Europe with the freedom of the press so it
> > would be great to use the freerunner with openmoko for helping freedom
> > of the press.
> 
> What part of Europe would that be? Definitely not western Europe.

There are certainly more dangerous places to be a journalist, but the National 
Union of Journalists considers the situation in the UK at the moment fairly 
serious[0]. The International Federation of Journalists agree, but say the 
problem is Europe-wide[1]. Stop and search powers under Section 44 or the 
Terrorism Act, which allows searches without suspicion of wrongdoing, are 
widely used against both professional and amateur photographers[2], and are to 
continue[3] even though the European Court of Human Rights recently found it 
incompatible with European human rights laws[4].

[0] http://www.nuj.org.uk/innerPagenuj.html?docid=910
[1] http://www.ifj.org/en/articles/efj-supports-nuj-campaign-against-
terrorising-journalists-in-the-uk
[2] http://photographernotaterrorist.org/
[3] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/14/only_obeying_orders/
[4]http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/view.asp?action=html&documentId=860909&portal=hbkm&source=externalbydocnumber


From hersche at puzzle.ch  Mon Jan 18 14:13:24 2010
From: hersche at puzzle.ch (Vinzenz Hersche)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:13:24 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] Call volumes
In-Reply-To: <84aawbolas.fsf@sauna.l.org>
References: <20607da11001171606k6fa282bag231a14c7c2051b3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B541085.6010407@brolin.be> <84aawbolas.fsf@sauna.l.org>
Message-ID: <201001181413.24799.hersche@puzzle.ch>

on lot of phone you could set up at least the loudness for the ear on your 
phone (home- and mobilephones).. may it's because of this diffrent..

i've got also the problem that peoble most didn't hear me.. other times, the 
settings are good..

Brolin: could you send me/us the state-file with a little description, where it 
is and which value must be set? :)

thanks in advance

-----------------------------------------------
Timo schrieb am Montag 18 Januar 2010:
Brolin Empey <brolin at brolin.be> writes:
> handset versus speakerphone versus headset, etc.  For example, when I 
> call some call centres, such as Volkswagen Canada, both parties sound 
> quiet to the other, but when I access my Fido voice mail, the voice 
> menus are so loud they sound like I am using speakerphone when I am only 
> using the handset.

This is an interesting observation indeed. I too suffer from the
problem that some people complain that they can't hear me and others
that my voice is too loud. I can't understand what can make the
difference.

_______________________________________________
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From billk at iinet.net.au  Mon Jan 18 14:35:01 2010
From: billk at iinet.net.au (William Kenworthy)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:35:01 +0800
Subject: movie playback on FR
Message-ID: <1263821701.19550.15.camel@rattus>

My panasonic DMC-TZ15 takes some nice 640x480/ffmpegjpeg/30fps movies
as .MOV files that I would like to have on the FR - but of course they
play well on a desktop but are unplayable using mplayer (too much
bandwidth) on the FR.

So, what are the best settings to play something like this and how to
convert the files? (320x240, convert using mplayer/ffmpeg/transcode/or
what?).  Is it possible to keep 640x480 and tweak other parameters?

This is actually the first time I can remember trying to play a movie on
the FR in 18 months I have had it :)

BillK


-- 
William Kenworthy <billk at iinet.net.au>
Home in Perth!



From mike at mikecrash.com  Mon Jan 18 14:52:42 2010
From: mike at mikecrash.com (Mike Crash)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:52:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Touchscreen calibration with evdev
In-Reply-To: <20100118121456.GQ30938@jama>
References: <1263816531478-4413295.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20100118121456.GQ30938@jama>
Message-ID: <1263822762610-4413694.post@n2.nabble.com>


Great, it works, than you very much

D?ky

Mike



> 
> We (SHR) are using this (maybe not optimal but works)
> http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/xserver-kdrive-common/xserver-kdrive-common/shr/89xTs_Calibrate
> 
> Cheers
> 
> -- 
> uin:136542059                jid:Martin.Jansa at gmail.com
> Jansa Martin                 sip:jamasip at voip.wengo.fr 
> JaMa                         
> 
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> 
> 

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From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Mon Jan 18 15:43:18 2010
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:43:18 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] Call volumes
In-Reply-To: <20607da11001171606k6fa282bag231a14c7c2051b3a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20607da11001171606k6fa282bag231a14c7c2051b3a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001181543.19072.psonek2@seznam.cz>

Denis Johnson wrote:

> do I need to fiddle with teh
> gsmhandset.state file manually or is there a better way ? I have a
> GTA02 A05 with buzzfix. Anyone have a same setup and would care to
> share their state file(s)

You can install qalsamixer under settings->software packages if it helps. I 
dont have buzzfix so cant help more.

Regards

Radek


From psonek2 at seznam.cz  Mon Jan 18 16:20:20 2010
From: psonek2 at seznam.cz (Radek Polak)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:20:20 +0100
Subject: Freerunner can now play Ogg video
In-Reply-To: <84hbqknvtm.fsf@sauna.l.org>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001180017.50070.psonek2@seznam.cz> <84hbqknvtm.fsf@sauna.l.org>
Message-ID: <201001181620.20531.psonek2@seznam.cz>

Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:

> With mplayer from debian unstable videos created with
> 
> ffmpeg2theora -x 320 -y 240 --videoquality 3 --speedlevel 2 --audioquality
>  3 --samplerate 22050
> 
> do not play smoothly even with "-nosound".

Same here. I think my video had lower bitrate and fps, i appended

-V 300 -F 15

and it plays ok now. Maybe my test ogv had different audio codec (accidentally 
deleted it). IIRC debian mplayer uses floating point implementation for 
decoding ogg so it's crappy. But after compiling with integer only ogg decoder 
it should be ok. I'll have to try it.
 
> I am using andy-tracking a3587e4ed77974ad with DEBUG and PREEMPT
> disabled with Xorg and xserver-xorg-video-fbdev -- are you perhaps
> using xserver-xorg-video-glamo instead?

No, for sure it was fbdev.

Regards

Radek


From helge.hafting at hist.no  Mon Jan 18 16:52:11 2010
From: helge.hafting at hist.no (Helge Hafting)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:52:11 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <201001091958.06042.psonek2@seznam.cz>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>	<201001082328.28968.psonek2@seznam.cz>
	<201001091958.06042.psonek2@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <4B5483AB.5080802@hist.no>

Radek Polak wrote:
> Radek Polak wrote:
> 
>> Here are mine numbers on QtMoko:
>>
>> kernel size:
>> old: 1 833 952
>> new: 1 660 364
>>
>> boot time
>> old: 1min 58s
>> new: 1min 30s
> 
> Btw if someone wants to try here is new kernel with modules:
> 
> http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/download/experimental/

Installed the kernel, and the modules.

It did not work. Well, X came up and was nice and snappy, but
the phone never connected to the GSM network. I tried shr-settings,
and GSM could not be turned on!

I tried booting several times, I tried restarting various fso daemons 
that seemed phone-related.

Nothing helped. In the end, I flashed the latest shr-unstable kernel,
booted, and got a GSM connection just fine. (I use shr-unstable of today.)

Too bad this kernel didn't work, it seemed very interesting.

Helge Hafting


From david at garabana.com  Mon Jan 18 17:13:42 2010
From: david at garabana.com (David Garabana Barro)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:13:42 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <4B5483AB.5080802@hist.no>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001091958.06042.psonek2@seznam.cz> <4B5483AB.5080802@hist.no>
Message-ID: <201001181713.45060.david@garabana.com>

On Monday 18 January 2010 16:52:11 Helge Hafting wrote:

> Installed the kernel, and the modules.
>
> It did not work. Well, X came up and was nice and snappy, but
> the phone never connected to the GSM network. I tried shr-settings,
> and GSM could not be turned on!
>
> I tried booting several times, I tried restarting various fso daemons
> that seemed phone-related.
>
> Nothing helped. In the end, I flashed the latest shr-unstable kernel,
> booted, and got a GSM connection just fine. (I use shr-unstable of today.)
>
> Too bad this kernel didn't work, it seemed very interesting.

I don't know what is causing gsm to not register, but it's not kernel, for 
sure.

Sometimes it registers for me and sometimes it doesn't, with both standard shr 
kernel and stripped kernel.
It seems registration is more frequent with standard kernel. 
Might it be for worse performance? (some daemon which starts before another one 
with stripped kernel, for example)

For me, it seems if you let FR boot with no iteration, it almost never 
register. If you do things (f.e. open an applicaiotn) just when illume desktop 
appears on display, it's more probable to obtain a registration.

Just my experience...

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From elektranox at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 17:15:32 2010
From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:15:32 +0100
Subject: Freerunner can now play Ogg video
In-Reply-To: <201001181620.20531.psonek2@seznam.cz>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001180017.50070.psonek2@seznam.cz> <84hbqknvtm.fsf@sauna.l.org>
	<201001181620.20531.psonek2@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <20100118161531.GA31043@earth.universe>

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 04:20:20PM +0100, Radek Polak wrote:
> Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> 
> > With mplayer from debian unstable videos created with
> > 
> > ffmpeg2theora -x 320 -y 240 --videoquality 3 --speedlevel 2 --audioquality
> >  3 --samplerate 22050
> > 
> > do not play smoothly even with "-nosound".
> 
> Same here. I think my video had lower bitrate and fps, i appended
> 
> -V 300 -F 15
> 
> and it plays ok now. Maybe my test ogv had different audio codec (accidentally 
> deleted it). IIRC debian mplayer uses floating point implementation for 
> decoding ogg so it's crappy. But after compiling with integer only ogg decoder 
> it should be ok. I'll have to try it.

It should be fixed once mplayer package gets updated in the debian
repository:

http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-multimedia/mplayer.git;a=commit;h=8fcfbe13ebdb72868c090b0d7051771aaa6fbb60

Do you want me to put an updated package into pkg-fso?

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From david at garabana.com  Mon Jan 18 17:19:35 2010
From: david at garabana.com (David Garabana Barro)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:19:35 +0100
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
In-Reply-To: <201001181713.45060.david@garabana.com>
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B5483AB.5080802@hist.no> <201001181713.45060.david@garabana.com>
Message-ID: <201001181719.38305.david@garabana.com>

On Monday 18 January 2010 17:13:42 David Garabana Barro wrote:
> On Monday 18 January 2010 16:52:11 Helge Hafting wrote:
> > Installed the kernel, and the modules.
> >
> > It did not work. Well, X came up and was nice and snappy, but
> > the phone never connected to the GSM network. I tried shr-settings,
> > and GSM could not be turned on!
> >
> > I tried booting several times, I tried restarting various fso daemons
> > that seemed phone-related.
> >
> > Nothing helped. In the end, I flashed the latest shr-unstable kernel,
> > booted, and got a GSM connection just fine. (I use shr-unstable of
> > today.)
> >
> > Too bad this kernel didn't work, it seemed very interesting.
>
> I don't know what is causing gsm to not register, but it's not kernel, for
> sure.
>
> Sometimes it registers for me and sometimes it doesn't, with both standard
> shr kernel and stripped kernel.
> It seems registration is more frequent with standard kernel.
> Might it be for worse performance? (some daemon which starts before another
> one with stripped kernel, for example)
>
> For me, it seems if you let FR boot with no iteration, it almost never
> register. If you do things (f.e. open an applicaiotn) just when illume
> desktop appears on display, it's more probable to obtain a registration.
>
> Just my experience...

And sometimes, but only sometimes, when not registered on boot, I can force 
registration simply by rebooting libphoneui from shr-settings
Sometimes it doesn't matter what daemon you reboot. It doesn't register :(

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From neo at el-hennig.de  Mon Jan 18 17:21:50 2010
From: neo at el-hennig.de (neo at el-hennig.de)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:21:50 +0100 (MET)
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
Message-ID: <201001181621.o0IGLokb014669@post.webmailer.de>


> It did not work. Well, X came up and was nice and snappy, but
> the phone never connected to the GSM network. I tried shr-settings,
> and GSM could not be turned on!
> 
> I tried booting several times, I tried restarting various fso daemons 
> that seemed phone-related.
> 
> Nothing helped. In the end, I flashed the latest shr-unstable kernel,
> booted, and got a GSM connection just fine. (I use shr-unstable of today.)
> 
> Too bad this kernel didn't work, it seemed very interesting.
I had the same behaviour with my FR: GSM was only availlable a very few times booting the experimental kernel. No Problems acured with the latest shr-u kernel, however. My last try was to use QI unstead of u-boot, and GSM got connected, I will try another reboot an report if it still works.


From timo.lindfors at iki.fi  Mon Jan 18 18:11:49 2010
From: timo.lindfors at iki.fi (Timo Juhani Lindfors)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:11:49 +0200
Subject: Freerunner can now play Ogg video
In-Reply-To: <201001181620.20531.psonek2@seznam.cz> (Radek Polak's message of
	"Mon\, 18 Jan 2010 16\:20\:20 +0100")
References: <68da43e01001081023h5990f26djd8287e7276e373e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001180017.50070.psonek2@seznam.cz> <84hbqknvtm.fsf@sauna.l.org>
	<201001181620.20531.psonek2@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <848wbv5odm.fsf@sauna.l.org>

Radek Polak <psonek2 at seznam.cz> writes:
>> ffmpeg2theora -x 320 -y 240 --videoquality 3 --speedlevel 2 --audioquality
>>  3 --samplerate 22050
> Same here. I think my video had lower bitrate and fps, i appended
>
> -V 300 -F 15

After this vmstat 10 shows:

procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- -system-- ----cpu----
 r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   so    bi    bo   in   cs us sy id wa
 1  0   1848   3644   7808  67672    0    0     2     0  323  316 69  4 27  0
 1  0   1848   3644   7808  67672    0    0     0     0  323  315 71  5 24  0
 2  0   1848   3484   7816  67672    0    0     0     2  326  323 75  4 21  0
 1  0   1848   3616   7824  67672    0    0     0     2  336  323 79  4 17  0
 1  0   1848   3616   7824  67672    0    0     0     0  324  319 71  4 25  0
 2  0   1848   3616   7824  67672    0    0     0     0  324  313 69  4 27  0
 2  0   1848   3616   7824  67672    0    0     0     0  323  314 72  4 24  0
 0  0   1848  11864   7824  67520    0    0     0     0  354  320 56  5 40  0

and with -nosound:

procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- -system-- ----cpu----
 r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   so    bi    bo   in   cs us sy id wa
 1  0   1864   2840   7816  69108    0    0     0     0  505  371 66  3 31  0
 2  0   1864   2840   7816  69108    0    0     0     0  302  313 64  1 35  0
 2  0   1864   2840   7816  69108    0    0     0     0  302  315 66  1 34  0
 2  0   1864   2840   7816  69108    0    0     0     0  302  321 65  1 33  0
 2  0   1864   2804   7832  69108    0    0     0     3  305  330 68  3 30  0
 1  0   1864   2812   7832  69108    0    0     0     0  302  322 64  1 35  0
 1  0   1864   2812   7832  69108    0    0     0     0  310  318 66  2 33  0
 1  0   1864   2812   7832  69108    0    0     0     0  302  318 54  1 45  0
 1  0   1864   2812   7832  69108    0    0     0     0  302  324 53  1 45  0
 0  0   1864   2812   7832  69108    0    0     0     0  302  317 52  1 47  0
 0  0   1864   2812   7832  69108    0    0     0     0  302  322 55  1 45  0

Do you get roughly same id (idle) and cs (context switch) readings?

-Timo


From fradeve11 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 18:12:20 2010
From: fradeve11 at gmail.com (Francesco de Virgilio)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:12:20 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [QtMoko] How to update TangoGPS maps?
In-Reply-To: <201001172055.02267.xbarnada@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <g4likml9orxbx168z3UYAxe124vaj_firegpg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks guys, but the problem is that Yaouh is packaged in an .ipk package, and QtMoko is based on Debian. AFAIK, ipk couldn't be installed on Debian, and Yaouh is not available in .deb packages... :(

Sgou
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From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Mon Jan 18 18:15:55 2010
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:15:55 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] How to update TangoGPS maps?
In-Reply-To: <g4likml9orxbx168z3UYAxe124vaj_firegpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <g4likml9orxbx168z3UYAxe124vaj_firegpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.u6qnktm241evsb@ginguppin>

you can simply do
dpkg -i foo.ipk


From jerjoz.forums at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 18:49:10 2010
From: jerjoz.forums at gmail.com (jeremy jozwik)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:49:10 -0800
Subject: Illume2 Screenshot ???
In-Reply-To: <4B53EE37.7090703@gmail.com>
References: <4B53B9A8.7030808@gmail.com>
	<20100118103805.b9457226.raster@rasterman.com>
	<4B53BE46.4050702@gmail.com>
	<20100118133232.805e320b.raster@rasterman.com>
	<4B53EE37.7090703@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f8d5d4f31001180949o3d9421a4vc0b93783a0270cfc@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Bernd Pr?nster
<bernd.pruenster at gmail.com> wrote:
> That was it! works under shr... it is quite awesome, some rough edges of
> course, but still... the debian users are gonna love it!

wonder if that craptastic keyboard crash is still present...


From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Mon Jan 18 18:53:53 2010
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:53:53 +0100
Subject: [debian/shr apps] conatcts app crashes with full addressbook w/o any
	error message
Message-ID: <op.u6qpb3me41evsb@ginguppin>

after today's update of libphone-ui*, the gui of contacts, dialer,  
messages and pin dialog looks ok.
thanks to whoever is responsible.

so i used the not so recently posted script [1] to import my contacts from  
an vcf file into opimd -- but after that, contacts crashes immediately  
without logging any error whatsoever.
is there any way to make contacts (or any other shr/phoneui app) more  
verbose?


[1] http://www.mail-archive.com/community at lists.openmoko.org/msg56143.html


From neo at el-hennig.de  Mon Jan 18 19:21:26 2010
From: neo at el-hennig.de (neo at el-hennig.de)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:21:26 +0100 (MET)
Subject: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
Message-ID: <201001181821.o0IILQu1015241@post.webmailer.de>



> And sometimes, but only sometimes, when not registered on boot, I can force
> 
> registration simply by rebooting libphoneui from shr-settings
> Sometimes it doesn't matter what daemon you reboot. It doesn't register :(

I just managed to force the registering by giving the FR sth. to work and then restart phonefsod. So it seems that there is really a timing problem, which would explain why the problem occurs more often with the faster kernel...


From frederik.sdun at googlemail.com  Mon Jan 18 19:48:15 2010
From: frederik.sdun at googlemail.com (Frederik Sdun)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:48:15 +0100
Subject: using FSO to controll secondary phone?
In-Reply-To: <m2bpgs5q0y.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
References: <m3fx65ut8g.fsf@verona.se> <20100117214934.GA30893@thinky>
	<m2bpgs5q0y.fsf@home.pavel.comp>
Message-ID: <20100118184813.GA2805@thinky>

* Paul Fertser <fercerpav at gmail.com> [17.01.2010 23:24]:
> Frederik Sdun <frederik.sdun at googlemail.com> writes:
> > * joakim at verona.se <joakim at verona.se> [17.01.2010 07:45]:
> >> Would it be possible to attach a secondary phone over BT to the
> >> Freerunner and controll it with FSO, the same way as the inbuilt phone
> >> device?
> >
> > I think over bluetooth is not possible. But if you can establish a
> > network connection you can use gabriel[1[, which should be in the SHR repo
> > since yesterday.
> 
> Why not bluetooth? Many cellphones expose AT interface over bluetooth,
> with rfcomm channel created one can start another instance of ogsmd to
> treat it like a single-line modem.
> 
> -- 
> Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software!
> mailto:fercerpav at gmail.com
Yes, I always think about the layers above FSO. If you expose the modem
via bluetooth this should be possible
*adding to the FSO wiki*
-- 
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From samtygier at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jan 18 19:56:06 2010
From: samtygier at yahoo.co.uk (sam tygier)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:56:06 +0000
Subject: [SHR-t] Some tips needed
In-Reply-To: <26fea52c1001180031t79f4f23l88386b77acd2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <hj1578$u4k$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<26fea52c1001180031t79f4f23l88386b77acd2c1d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <hj2as5$302$1@ger.gmane.org>

Yorick Moko wrote:
> *using 16bit and no shadows, changing framerate and using faster kernel 

i have read (somewhere) that X11-16 should be used any more. have issues been fixed, or does this advice still stand?

sam



From mok at mnet-online.de  Mon Jan 18 20:31:34 2010
From: mok at mnet-online.de (Klaus Kurzmann)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:31:34 +0100
Subject: [debian/shr apps] conatcts app crashes with full addressbook w/o
	any error message
In-Reply-To: <op.u6qpb3me41evsb@ginguppin>
References: <op.u6qpb3me41evsb@ginguppin>
Message-ID: <201001182031.35145.mok@mnet-online.de>

Am Montag 18 Januar 2010 18:53:53 schrieb arne anka:
> after today's update of libphone-ui*, the gui of contacts, dialer,
> messages and pin dialog looks ok.
> thanks to whoever is responsible.
> 
> so i used the not so recently posted script [1] to import my contacts from
> an vcf file into opimd -- but after that, contacts crashes immediately
> without logging any error whatsoever.
> is there any way to make contacts (or any other shr/phoneui app) more
> verbose?
in /etc/phoneuid.conf set log_level to DEBUG

-- 
Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann


From elektranox at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 20:36:42 2010
From: elektranox at gmail.com (Sebastian Reichel)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:36:42 +0100
Subject: [debian/shr apps] conatcts app crashes with full addressbook
	w/o any error message
In-Reply-To: <op.u6qpb3me41evsb@ginguppin>
References: <op.u6qpb3me41evsb@ginguppin>
Message-ID: <20100118193642.GA530@earth.universe>

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 06:53:53PM +0100, arne anka wrote:
> after today's update of libphone-ui*, the gui of contacts, dialer,  
> messages and pin dialog looks ok.
> thanks to whoever is responsible.

np :)

> so i used the not so recently posted script [1] to import my contacts from  
> an vcf file into opimd -- but after that, contacts crashes immediately  
> without logging any error whatsoever.
> is there any way to make contacts (or any other shr/phoneui app) more  
> verbose?

Can you check what is actually crashing? The framework? phoneuid? I
will update the framework later. There were some changes in opimd
since the last Debian package.

-- Sebastian
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From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Mon Jan 18 20:45:36 2010
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:45:36 +0100
Subject: [debian/shr apps] conatcts app crashes with full addressbook w/o
	any error message
In-Reply-To: <201001182031.35145.mok@mnet-online.de>
References: <op.u6qpb3me41evsb@ginguppin>
	<201001182031.35145.mok@mnet-online.de>
Message-ID: <op.u6quh9kk41evsb@ginguppin>

> in /etc/phoneuid.conf set log_level to DEBUG

that has been my first thought -- no dice.


From yann.sladek at free.fr  Mon Jan 18 20:47:58 2010
From: yann.sladek at free.fr (Yann SLADEK)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:47:58 +0100
Subject: [QtMoko] Building QtMoko failed
In-Reply-To: <201001180014.26415.psonek2@seznam.cz>
References: <4B4D7235.3090202@free.fr>
	<201001171151.48952.psonek2@seznam.cz>	<4B5391B4.8070501@free.fr>
	<201001180014.26415.psonek2@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <4B54BAEE.7060706@free.fr>

Hi,

perfect Radek, it's working like a charm now
I will annotate wiki and send you my translation within the week

Regards,

Yann
> Yann SLADEK wrote:
>
>    
>> ok, thanks Radek, it's building now.
>> But, despite following what has been written into the wiki (adding
>> '-languages fr_FR*' *into configure-common file or '--add-language
>> fr_FR' to configure command after creating the right folder)* *, I have
>> no .ts file created.
>>      
> You will probably need to run qbuild lupdate in qtmoko dir. It's quite nice
> descibed in the docs:
>
> /home/radek/qte/qtmoko/doc/html/syscust-internat.html
>
> Hope it helps
>
> Radek
>
> _______________________________________________
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> community at lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From openmoko at ginguppin.de  Mon Jan 18 20:51:25 2010
From: openmoko at ginguppin.de (arne anka)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:51:25 +0100
Subject: [debian/shr apps] conatcts app crashes with full addressbook w/o
	any error message
In-Reply-To: <201001181936