Status GTA04 GroupTour

Martix at
Thu Dec 29 16:53:26 CET 2011

I think, you should focus more on present and make GTA04 price available 
to many members of this small community as you can. GTA04 is much 
expensive in comparison with other OMAP3 based mobile phones today. I 
know, cost is based on production volumes, but ordinary hackers likes 
cheap devices. You should try find balance and make GTA04 successful. 
The poll you announced yesterday was first move.

Development costs and other "margins" can be gained through some 
fundraising sites like Kickstarter.

Disclaimer: My view is based on dialogs with current or past owners of 
Neo FreeRunner that I know and my observations.

Best Regards,


Dne 29.12.2011 13:14, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller napsal(a):
> Am 29.12.2011 um 13:06 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:
>> Hi Ben,
>> Am 29.12.2011 um 12:49 schrieb Ben Thompson:
>>> Hi
>>> Thank you for creating the GTA04.
>>> My problem is the early bird pricing which it seems to me requires some people pay more than others, without any real incentive or added value in the goods received. I don't want to pay 474 euros one
>> Well, the early birds take a higher risk that the group tour does
>> not start at all. If someone waits until 9th of February it is much
>> easier to estimate.
>> Those who subscribe early simply have to wait much longer
>> although they have paid. This is why we developed this early
>> bird rebate at all, to give some benefit to those who really
>> subscribe early and taking more risk.
>>> day when you were offering the same item the day before for 449 euros. First you need to find out if my view is held by others, if so my advice would be to write to the current subscribers to the group tour explaining that you made a mistake with the pricing, and ask permission to cancel their orders. Then you could create a new group buy with fair pricing for all which I am guessing would be a price somewhere between 449 and 499 euros.
>> The amount of the rebate we give to the early birds is driven
>> by donations and these are too limited to spread to everyone.
>> The fair price to everyone would be 499 EUR which covers all
>> cost we expect (i.e. we don't have 350*50 EUR = 17500 EUR).
> I should ass that the 449-499 EUR also include some money
> set aside for developing future devices. Reducing the price for
> everyone by that amount wouldn't help for a long-term future.
>> So what do those think who have already ordered? Would you
>> think that cancelling the orders and start a new group buy is
>> an way to go?
>> Nikolaus
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