[OT] FCC Aproval - Restrictions by country

[Peter Viskup]

On 11/15/2012 10:35 PM, Cristian Gómez wrote:
> I forget to explain how the forbid of access to the GSM network will work:
> There will be two lists of IMEI's:
> - Black List: I think every country have one. There goes the reported 
> (as stolen or lost) IMEI's
> - White List;: With all IMEI's that are allowed to access to GSM Networks
The white list restriction is the worst scenario they could choose - I 
didn't heard about such setup before. OpenMoko and other users of 
no-mass-production (or not usual and probably also older) cell phones 
are minority in this case and therefore there is not too much care of 
you/them in this case. ;-)
> Right now, all citizen are incouraged to register their cellphones 
> without providing homologation certificates or valid invoices to 
> populate White List but from April 2013 (if the world still spinning) 
> you have to meet all the requisites in order to register your 
> cellphone into White List
> A cellphone that isn't in White List can't access GSM network, when 
> you buy a free cellphone and you put your SIM Card, when you do an 
> action (Call, SMS, MMS) your carrier will call you and ask for provide 
> registration required data and go to an office to do registration.  I 
> think that for roaming they make exceptions and carriers do the 
> process internally
> That's the process as explained by government entity and media here in 
> Colombia, I think there'll be issues with this and as usual, the 
> affected will be the customers. Homologation requisite is pretty clear 
> I fear as I have direct feedback from the entity at charge of 
> registration process
In case the law will become effective with these rules you described to 
us - you have the only option - ask OpenMoko community (us) to sponsor 
the homologization certificate or 'buy' this homologisation by yourself 
(probably with help of other users of OpenMoko in Colombia).
Or second option - be active and tell the other people and government 
these are not the best rules and there are people like you affected by 
this law.
> 2012/11/15 Cristian Gómez <cristianpark at gmail.com 
> <mailto:cristianpark at gmail.com>>
>
>     Thanks for your answer Peter
>
>     The law that is trying to decrease cellphone stealing. When you
>     buy a free cellphone (out of carriers) in order to use it on GSM
>     network you must:
>     - Valid buy invoice (as far as they said, they will accept Amazon
>     and others). In the invoice should be discrimined vendor, model
>     and IMEI number
>     - IMEI numbers (software and hardware label) must coincide (this
>     is good)
>     - Homologation certificate (you can download certificates for
>     homologated cellphones in a page)
>
>     I take what media says about the regulation and contacted
>     government statement (called Comisión Reguladora de Comunicaciones
>     -Communications Regulator Entity or so in english-) for
>     clarification in the terms of the regulation and they pointed me
>     to a 1997 regulation about homologation process and why they
>     charge for homologation, 1997 regulation exists since then but
>     didn't have direct effect on consumers but with the new regulation
>     that requires homologation certificate in order to activate a
>     cellphone
>
>     In example, this [1] (on spanish) is Samsung Galaxy S3 (and other
>     3 models) homologation certificate. Its tramitted by Samsung's
>     Colombia executive and they must pay $22668000 (colombian pesos)
>     what's equivalent to US 12593 (US 3148 aprox for each model). You
>     see there that an individual who buys a cellphone not for mass
>     sale or similars but for personal use (let's say we buying one Neo
>     FreeRunner) don't have that cash to pay. You'll end up paying US
>     250 for FR and US 3148 for homologation, that makes no sense
>
>     Nowdays is absurde to even considering having this requisites to
>     use a device or other (car, rc toys, etc) given the globalization
>     and the ease of adquiring items that aren't avaliable in local
>     stores (or carriers in this case)
>
>     [1] http://www.siust.gov.co/siic-archivos/modelos/pdf/201253664.pdf
>
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>     2012/11/15 Peter Viskup <skupko.sk at gmail.com
>     <mailto:skupko.sk at gmail.com>>
>
>         On 11/15/2012 08:57 PM, Cristian Gómez wrote:
>>         The law proposes that you can only *use* a cellphone in the
>>         country if it's homologated by a local government statement,
>>         this means that one (a carrier commonly) must pay a lot in
>>         order to get one cellphone model homologated, it doesn't
>>         matter if the cellphone fits international organizations
>>         (like FCC) requisites and it's approved by them.
>         The question is how they will enforce this law. Not sure how
>         they can forbid you to join the GSM network - and what about
>         foreigners with their own cell phones. It is probably
>         misunderstanding from your side and it's applicable only to
>         resellers.
>         It was the same situation with cars here in Slovakia some
>         years before for example. Our local law didn't accept any
>         international homologisation certificates and every new model
>         had to pass the local slovak homological process before going
>         to show rooms. Not sure about current situation in this and
>         what laws are effective for cell phones and other electronics
>         here in Slovakia.
>
>
>>         *For everyone:*
>>         1. Do you know how it's the process to use any cellphone you
>>         want to use even if it's not supported by any carrier? Is
>>         there any homologation process like in Colombia or just with
>>         FCC certificate you're good?
>>         Please answer this with your country and what you know about
>>         the process
>         <as I wrote already - I am not sure>
>
>         Best regards,
>         --
>         Peter*
>         *
>
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