Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

Sun Oct 6 08:48:09 CEST 2013

Am 06.10.2013 um 08:42 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:

> Hi Bob,
> 
> Am 05.10.2013 um 12:12 schrieb Bob Ham:
> 
>> On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>> 
>>> Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are
>>> "open hardware" - and never were intended to be.
>> 
>> That isn't what your OpenPhoenux page says:
>> 
>> "Open Hardware Devices.
>> 
>> Letux 2804 / GTA04 Smartphone"
>> 
>> http://www.openphoenux.org/ 
> 
> Am 05.10.2013 um 20:10 schrieb Martin Jansa:
> 
>> Using "open-hardware-but-without-CAD-files" is maybe less misleading for
>> people who has great understanding of all free/open definitions used in
>> the world (and wikipedia), but also more misleading for "normal" people.
> 
> Can you agree on the following?
> 
> 1. you are talking about "open SOURCE hardware" (which I call "free hardware")
> 
>    http://www.ohanda.org/ = "Open Source Hardware and Design Alliance"
> 
> 2. OpenPhoenux was and is never claiming to be open SOURCE hardware
>    (like Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, RasPi [1], ... never did)
> 
> And some organizations fostering open SOURCE hardware and free hardware
> are falsely recognized (e.g. by media) to cover ANY open hardware?
> 
> -- hns
> 
> [1]: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=45583&p=360559

PS: I have found an old definition of "Open Hardware" from 1999.
IMHO well thought and interesting to read...

http://www.opencollector.org/Whyfree/definitions.html
http://www.opencollector.org/Whyfree/

If we had known this before, we could have saved this long flamewar.