<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Wow. once again Apple justifies our lead.<DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jun 11, 2007, at 5:54 PM, adrian cockcroft wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Also, Apple's announcement today about iPhone development using AJAX and exposing internal phone functions as web services to the iPhone's safari browser is tipping everything in the same direction.<BR><BR>Cheers Adrian <BR><BR><DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">On 6/11/07, <B class="gmail_sendername">Matthew S. Hamrick</B> <<A href="mailto:mhamrick@cryptonomicon.net">mhamrick@cryptonomicon.net</A>> wrote:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Yeah... we're thinking that we were going to totally separate the<BR>model and domain processing from the view/controller part of the<BR>application. That way we could have a couple different HTML<BR>interfaces as well as a SVG/ECMAScript interface. I'm not terribly <BR>familiar with XAML or XUL, but I understand that most (if not all) of<BR>the Firefox / Mozilla / Navigator interface was written in XUL.<BR><BR>This is one of the benefits to this approach, IMHO. Separating the<BR>interface allows us to experiment with a number of different <BR>interface technologies. And the only thing the experimenters need to<BR>know is the semantics and syntax of the XML interface.<BR><BR>-Cheers!<BR>-Matt H.<BR><BR>On Jun 11, 2007, at 9:18 AM, Tim Newsom wrote:<BR><BR>> If we are heading in the direction of web interfaces, I think we <BR>> should look at XAML or XUL or something similar. From what I can<BR>> tell, they will be adding silverlight support to mono, so using<BR>> XAML will be possible. This also separates the code for<BR>> functionality from the interface and can allow skinning of the <BR>> entire application interface set.<BR>><BR>> This will abstract you from every widget set. Each action could be<BR>> exported and called from the UI without needing to worry about all<BR>> that.<BR>> <BR>> At least, that's my take on it currently.<BR>><BR>> --Tim<BR>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 8:44, Florent THIERY wrote:<BR>>> Here's a little look-and-feel example that could be done with an<BR>>> opensource AJAX framework [javascript required]: <BR>>><BR>>> <A href="http://demo.qooxdoo.org/current/showcase">http://demo.qooxdoo.org/current/showcase</A><BR>>><BR>>> This may allow easier separation between apps and GUIs. Of course, as<BR>>> usual we have no idea how well such an app would perform (little & <BR>>> gratuitous prediction: very bad), benchmarking is needed but ... who<BR>>> knows ?<BR>>><BR>>> This is going along with the ongoings gdk webkit port and gsmd<BR>>> XmlHttpRequest interface (was topic: embedded webserver). <BR>>><BR>>> What do you think ? Is it REALLY unrealistic ? Could anybody try the<BR>>> url on it's Nokia N770 (lots of happy owners here, right?) and rough<BR>>> feedback the responsiveness ?<BR> >><BR>>> Cheers<BR>>><BR>>> Florent<BR>>><BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> OpenMoko community mailing list<BR>> <A href="mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org"> community@lists.openmoko.org</A><BR>> <A href="http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community">http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community</A><BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR> OpenMoko community mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org">community@lists.openmoko.org</A><BR><A href="http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community">http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community </A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">OpenMoko community mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org">community@lists.openmoko.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community">http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>