Ok,<br><br>I set up a temporary forum until the guys @ openmoko get everything sorted out. I'm using phpbb.<br>I think the forums are needed, for many of the reasons described in this thread. Primarily, to have another sounding board for new openmoko/neo users to just communicate, and keep this list cleaner.
<br><br>I set it up on my hosted domain space...<br>I need another administrator and moderators,<br><br><a href="http://www.makeopensource.com/phpBB3">http://www.makeopensource.com/phpBB3</a><br><br><a href="http://forums.makeopensource.com">
http://forums.makeopensource.com</a> should resolve by tomorrow.<br><br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Kyle<br><br><br><br><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 7/24/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Jacques Poulin</b> <<a href="mailto:jacques.poulin@gmail.com">
jacques.poulin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Is there a web form to search the mailing lists
?</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">I didn't find it, and didn't want to ask if that had
been asked before, but since I can't find the search form, well, I'm asking
:-)</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">I prefer forums over lists because forums are a lot less
distracting... but at least when the lists are searchable, there's a way
to find the info you want without wasting hours going through
threads...</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">I mean, I'm getting over 10 digests every day, I can't even
begin to consider being subscribed to this list when the word
spreads...</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Keep the mailing lists for the developers if you like, but
we need a forum for the users.</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Daniel Robinson
[mailto:<a href="mailto:dgrobinson@dgrobinson.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">dgrobinson@dgrobinson.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 24 juillet 2007
13:46<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">community@lists.openmoko.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: OK, the
forum is coming..<br></font><br></div><div><span class="e" id="q_113f98bea60a179d_1">
<div></div>The fact that you are subscribed to 20 different mailing lists and
you would find it difficult to read all of that information on 20 different
forum UIs is your issue, and it is not the responsibility of this community to
address. <br><br>To state, axiomatically, that mailing lists are more
efficient is to attempt proof by assertion.<br><br>The goal is communication,
not rightness. How is communication best served?<br><br>--Dan<br><br>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 7/24/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Andreas
Kostyrka</b> <<a href="mailto:andreas@kostyrka.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">andreas@kostyrka.org</a>> wrote:</span>
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PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>Hash: SHA1<br><br>No, it's just habits. And it's
not about Engineers, it's about long time<br>email users. (I mean the
generation before the invention of the "http<br>protocol". If one can consider
HTTP 0.9 to be a protocol ;) )<br><br>And yes, email is important to these old
timers. Mailing lists are quite<br>well standardized, there are less than half
a dozen mailing list<br>management packages that matter, and even these have
mostly the same <br>behaviour. I'm subscribed on more than 20 mailing lists
(most of these<br>in the Linux/Python/PostgreSQL realm), that I follow more or
less<br>depending upon work pressure. I can keep a tab on these mailing lists,
<br>because they use a standard interface.<br><br>Navigating 20 different
"forums", is not feasible:<br><br>- -) I need to actively pull information.
That's time I could be already<br>using to read messages. <br><br>- -) the UI
of forums is really not uniform. I need to join, login<br>(depending upon the
forum and my browser setting each time, every 2<br>weeks, never), manage to
find if new messages that might interest me, ... <br><br>- -) the UI of
mailing lists is my known standard mail client.<br><br>You can see the
difference, e.g. my wife participates in a forum based<br>cooking community.
Notice: "relative newcomer" (less than a decade <br>Internet experience), 1
community (not dozens of mailing lists needed).<br><br>Basically, mailing
lists are more efficient. Not necessarily easy on<br>newbies. (And yes,
efficient does not mean easy. Efficient is measured <br>in units like
"transaction" per "time unit". And I can clearly "process"<br>(or decide not
to "process") more messages per hour in my mailer than<br>with my
browser)<br><br>Andreas <br><br>Daniel Robinson wrote:<br>> What is it
about engineers that they act like any idea other than theirs<br>> is not
worthy of consideration?<br>><br>> I don't know any of you, and I am
only responding to this email because <br>> it is typical of the kind of
traffic that has been going back and forth<br>> about this
issue.<br>><br>> Don't build your house on ice? This is
typical of the dismissiveness<br>> with which people have responded about
this issue. The straw man being <br>> used here, that wanting
one position or the other is as meritorious as<br>> building one's house on
ice, is not valid. It smacks of sanctimony and<br>> that should
be avoided.<br>><br>><br>><br>> On 7/24/07, *Ted Lemon* <<a href="mailto:mellon@fugue.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">mellon@fugue.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mellon@fugue.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
mellon@fugue.com</a>>>
wrote:<br>><br>> > Quite frankly I am
completely, totally, <br>> > overwhelmingly
baffled at the resistance to the forums. Quite a
few<br>> > people have expressed their dislikes
of mailing lists and how they<br>>
were<br>> > *very* reluctant (like myself) to
join. <br>><br>> Worrying about your email
address being exposed is pretty silly.<br>> That's
like worrying that the ice on a pond will break when it melts
in<br>> the spring and your house will fall
in. Don't build your house on <br>>
ice.<br>><br>> As for forums, they are very nice
for casual use. They are terrible<br>>
for staying in touch, unless you visit them obsessively. The
nice<br>> thing about a mailing list is that the
mail keeps arriving in your <br>> inbox, you see it
go by, and you can pay attention or not as you
choose.<br>> And if you miss something, it's easy
to go back and find it.<br>><br>> Forums aren't
bad - they're just different. I think it would be great
<br>> if the casual traffic migrated to a
forum.<br>><br>><br>><br>>
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