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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> I’m was speaking of US to EU. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> I can go Guesstimate US to US for you,
via UPS or you can. Just take the dimensions and weights<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I gave you. Go to UPS, enter the data. <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Fremont</st1:City> <st1:State w:st="on">CA</st1:State></st1:place>
is the shipper. and you will get a good GUESS at it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>For CA to <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Tennessee</st1:place></st1:State> the single phone, can be shipped
for sub 20, cheapest rate, 7 or 8 days.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The 10 pak would be around 40. or 4 per
phone, again, cheapest rate.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Since The fullifillement center does this
as a profession, I will get more details, but in all seriousness guys<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I cannot figure out the shipping details
for everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Geoff Ruscoe<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, April 27, 2008 11:30
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> List for Openmoko community
discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Shipping questions,
customer organized distribution in <st1:place w:st="on">Europe</st1:place></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I'm a little confused.<br>
<br>
Are you saying to order 1 phone to the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> we will have to pay $70 for
shipping? That is so expensive! We need to make sure everyone is
aware of this, because we must order the 10 packs. I have posted for the <st1:State
w:st="on">Indiana</st1:State> / <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kentucky</st1:place></st1:State>
10 pack.<br>
<br>
So if we were to order a 10 pack it would be $160 shipping right? So $16
/ phone. So we would get a $30 or $40 discount on the phone and then a
$54 discount on the shipping.<br>
<br>
Am I putting this together correctly? You were talking about shipping to
the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">U.S.</st1:place></st1:country-region>
right?<br>
<br>
I say this because I noticed on one line you said to <st1:State w:st="on">California</st1:State>
and on another line I saw shipping with UPS from the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region>.<br>
<br>
Can you clarify so we can make sure we get our 10 people together.<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 1:56 PM, steve <<a
href="mailto:steve@openmoko.com">steve@openmoko.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Lots of questions.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Let me see if I can help with some basics.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>We ship a 10 Pack to <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Fremont</st1:City> <st1:State w:st="on">California</st1:State></st1:place>.
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Dimensions are 435mm x 371mm x 119mm </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>I think the weight is on the order of 3kilo. An individual
box weighs 237 gm.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>The individual box is dimensioned thusly. 178mm x 104mm
x 84mm</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>just doing a quick check from UPS the shipment from the <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> for a single
phone would be on the order of 70 USD</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>For 10 phones the bulk is on the order of 160USD, which mean
16USD per customer.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>I picked a random EU city to just get a sense of things.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>EU hub will happen in due course. When the costs of hubbing
in the EU benefit our end users.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Steve</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="mailto:community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org" target="_blank">community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org" target="_blank">community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Erland Lewin<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, April 27, 2008 10:06
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> List for Openmoko community
discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Shipping questions,
customer organized distribution in <st1:place w:st="on">Europe</st1:place></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>In preparation for The Big Day, I have some questions
about how the shipping from OpenMoko will work.<br>
<br>
How much does one package (with a single phone) weigh (approximately)? What
will its dimensions be?<br>
<br>
There's been talk about a hub in <st1:place w:st="on">Europe</st1:place>, has
that idea been scrubbed? IF not, will it be in place in time for the first
shipments?<br>
<br>
When ordering directly from OpenMoko to <st1:place w:st="on">Europe</st1:place>,
how much will shipping cost for a 10-pack? Would that package come from the <st1:country-region
w:st="on">US</st1:country-region>, <st1:country-region w:st="on">China</st1:country-region>
or <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Taiwan</st1:place></st1:country-region>
(just curious)? How much would shipping be for 24 10-packs (approximately 235
phones have been noted for <st1:place w:st="on">Europe</st1:place> on the
Community purchase wiki page)?<br>
<br>
If OpenMoko doesn't set up a hub in <st1:place w:st="on">Europe</st1:place>, I
wonder if it would make sense for us consumers to do our own hub-like
distribution. Using prices from the Swedish postal service (which is probably
not one of the cheapest in Europe), if a single phone package weighs between
500 g and 1 kg, it would cost €24 to send as an insured letter to other
European countries. Not all that expensive, I think. <br>
<br>
Distribution would probably be even less expensive if we order one package to
the country in Europe with the lowest postal rates (maybe combined with a low
VAT), then ship phones to one person in each country in the city/region with
most buyers, who then posts them domestically to each buyer in other parts of
his country, and maybe hands them out to buyers in his own city. <br>
<br>
The biggest difficulty would probably be that this would involve a lot of money
(over 50 kEUR), and increase the trust required for all this to work. How much
we would save on the shipping would be a factor involved in whether this would
be worth the trouble. <br>
<br>
Buying directly from OpenMoko would probably not provide us with a particularly
good guarantee, so some European buyers might prefer to buy from European
resellers.<br>
<br>
If we could get the shipping costs (which should be known by now?), we could do
some calculations.<br>
<br>
/Erland<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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