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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org
[mailto:community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>hank
williams<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 28, 2008 4:26 PM<BR><B>To:</B> List for
Openmoko community discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Engineering Driven vs.
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Crane, Matthew <<A
href="mailto:mcrane03@harris.com">mcrane03@harris.com</A>> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN>There is
nothing incredible about apple's electrical, software, or mechanical
engineering. IMHO.. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN>The
marketing/buzz machine is incredible though.
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<DIV><BR>I presume that you have never worked on a team that has built a
successful mainstream consumer product, because if you did, you certainly would
not be able to dismiss their success in this manner. Making things that sell has
very little to do with advertising. "hype" does not just come from nowhere, as
if from the heavens. If crappy products could win based on good advertising, all
that would be required was money and clearly that is not nearly enough (see
Microsoft Vista).<BR><BR>The bottom line is that best selling tech gadgets,
software, and computers sell to primarily tech savvy people because they like
them. They like them, because the designers and developers have figured out how
to make broadly appealing products. That is hard. If you are suggesting
otherwise without actually having a resume that suggests you have done so
yourself, you really don't have much of an argument.<BR><BR>Hank<BR> </DIV>
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<DIV class=Ih2E3d><B>From:</B> <A
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>If this
is primarily a developer platform, why are there so many intense opinions
about such superficial things as color and marketing
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<DIV><BR>In today's world, there is *very* little daylight between marketing
and engineering. They are of a piece. The product design, the feature set, and
yes even the physical form factor are all both engineering issues as well as
marketing issues. Apple is a prime example of this. The beauty of the design
of their products is all about marketing, but could not be achieved without
incredible engineering on the electrical, software, and mechanical engineering
fronts. So I don't think, particularly for a phone, you can separate these
issues.<BR><BR>Hank <BR></DIV></DIV><BR>-- <BR>blog: <A
href="http://whydoeseverythingsuck.com"
target=_blank>whydoeseverythingsuck.com</A>
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