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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB">I do not
entirely agree with you on this one:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB">
> In all fairness, I don't think he's a troll, it just appears that the<br>
> device doesn't meet his needs. Let me put something out there that is<br>
> VERY VERY clearly stated. The Freerunner is not ready for a consumer<br>
> grade device today. The hardware that will be available soon is<br>
> intended for DEVELOPERS to build their applications on the Openmoko<br>
> platform so that when the device is launched to end-users, there will<br>
> be a wide selection of usable applications. If you buy a freerunner<br>
> before the mass market launch, do not feel upset that a feature isn't<br>
> there because this stage is intended for people writing those<br>
> features.<br>
<br>
It states in the wiki (<a href="http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner">http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner</a>) clearly:<br>
<i>The Neo FreeRunner is a GNU/Linux based touch screen smart phone <u>aimed at
general consumer use as well as GNU/Linux desktop users and GNU/Linux software
developers</u>.<br>
<br>
</i>I agree it is not yet ready for "the masses", but I do expect the
hardware to be capable and sufficient once the software has been taken care of. The neo1973 hardware was for developers. The FreeRunner is for developers AND
users.<br>
I expect that in due time the gsm (call, sms, mms), gps, wifi and Bluetooth
will be fully functional and I want a smooth UI on a phone with a medium battery lifetime. I do realise that it will take
some time and I will be patient. But if that is never going to happen, then Openmoko should have informed his
intended users better.</span></p>I have not yet read a anything that said these goals could not be reached (with a sufficient amount of time and effort).<br><br>Have a little faith ;-)<br><br>y<br><br><br>On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Kevin Dean <<a href="mailto:kevin@foreverdean.info">kevin@foreverdean.info</a>> wrote:<br>
> In all fairness, I don't think he's a troll, it just appears that the<br>> device doesn't meet his needs. Let me put something out there that is<br>> VERY VERY clearly stated. The Freerunner is not ready for a consumer<br>
> grade device today. The hardware that will be available soon is<br>> intended for DEVELOPERS to build their applications on the Openmoko<br>> platform so that when the device is launched to end-users, there will<br>
> be a wide selection of usable applications. If you buy a freerunner<br>> before the mass market launch, do not feel upset that a feature isn't<br>> there because this stage is intended for people writing those<br>
> features.<br>><br>> That said, advanced Linux users, or people who just like poking around<br>> at cool things can have a ton of fun with these devices at this early<br>> stage too. :)<br>><br>> Point by point:<br>
><br>> **<br>> old TI GSM modem, recamping once a minute(!) to the mobile station,<br>> eating battery like crazy and very unreliable. A TI engineer asked me<br>> if they (openmoko) got the chips for free, as they are so ancient - no<br>
> EDGE, GPRS w/ 2KB/s. Openmoko is likely the last buyer.<br>> **<br>><br>> This may actually be truish. From what I understand, 3G GSM modules<br>> are essentially 100% "closed", non-free or restrictive. Take your<br>
> pick. Openmoko's goals are openness and the current landscape doesn't<br>> allow that to be met with 3G. This is why there's a potentially<br>> "ancient" system. The Model T got people around. :) This ancient GSM<br>
> module makes calls and sends SMS messages just fine.<br>><br>> The battery thing is being dealt with, it's a matter of the software.<br>><br>> ***<br>> audio quailty on the headphone is lousy due to a hardware bug - as mp3<br>
> player useless<br>> ***<br>><br>> A bug I reported (<a href="http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1377">http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1377</a>) means it<br>> fails at being a personal audio player for now. The headset that came<br>
> in the box with the 1973 and the Freerunner aren't particularly good,<br>> but that's ENTIRELY a subjective thing. I connect my 1973 to my car's<br>> AUX input and it sounds just fine. The issue he has is with the<br>
> headset, not the jack. Either way, his assessment is true - headset<br>> quality and audio issues make using the Freerunner as a DAP impossible<br>> today.<br>><br>> ***<br>> headphone only mono. i.e. only one side works<br>
> ***<br>><br>> This is wrong, mmontour corrected it it on Slashdot.<br>><br>> ***<br>> headphone unusable for making phone calls due to EM-interferences<br>> ***<br>><br>> Not sure if it's EM interference, but all the software I've used<br>
> simply couldn't route the GSM stuff to the headset. I'm assuming it's<br>> a software issue but this is true in my experience, the included<br>> headset can't be used to make calls.<br>><br>> ***<br>
> no bluetooth headset support<br>> ***<br>><br>> Again, a software issue. There is a bluetooth profit to play audio<br>> through headsets, I'm assuming that can work on Openmoko hardware but<br>> hasn't been adapted to do that yet.<br>
><br>> ***<br>> no bluetooth keyboard support (dropped since last version)<br>> ***<br>><br>> Software issue. ScaredyCat's images do it quite easily. But the ASU<br>> (latest version) and the FSO do not.<br>
><br>> ***<br>> graphics sluggish and even slower than Neo 1973 despite 2D accel chip<br>> ***<br>><br>> Fact.<br>><br>> ***<br>> GPS has >10 minutes TTFF - yes, in 2008 where every cheapo GPS gets a<br>
> fix in 45secs<br>> ***<br>><br>> I've not gotten a fix EVER on the GPS - it's a software issue, I<br>> assume because I've gotten the GPS hardware to respond while poking at<br>> it.<br>><br>
> ***<br>> developer community alienated by Lauer & Co. GNOME knew why they<br>> kicked Rasterman out.<br>> ***<br>><br>> Actually, this one might be trolling. I don't know about social<br>> politics, and frankly don't care. True or not, it's not relevant to<br>
> the hardware sucking or being amazing.<br>><br>> ***<br>> so called ASU software is pre-alpha and reinventing the wheel once again<br>> ***<br>><br>> Fact.<br>><br>><br>><br>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Andy Selby <<a href="mailto:andyfrommk@googlemail.com">andyfrommk@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> That said, Openmoko is getting a lot of attention right now because of<br>>>> that article, so it's probably a very good thing to have some form of<br>>>> anticipation building message or teaser product there to keep the hype<br>
>>> going...<br>>><br>>> Not all of it good, If anyone has mod points on slashdot can they mod<br>>> this guy down? <a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=595147&cid=23939209">http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=595147&cid=23939209</a><br>
>> He's obviously registered that account just now to troll on the project.<br>>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Openmoko community mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org">community@lists.openmoko.org</a><br>
> <a href="http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community">http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community</a><br>><br><br>