<div dir="ltr">I haven't tried Qtopia 4.3 - but I've tried using QTExtended (Qtopia 4.4) and had a lot of stability issues. I did see someone mention on this list that 4.3 was more stable, though...<br><br>Warren<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Joop Boonen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joop_boonen@web.de">joop_boonen@web.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
The "problems" mentioned are do they occur in both qtopia as in OM2008?<br>
<br>
I understood that qtopia is more stable.<br>
<br>
If this is true why no make it dual boot, as is possible. Boot up in<br>
Qtopia when the phone has to be stable and when a problem is ok, boot up<br>
in OM2008?<br>
<br>
I'm going to order my Freerunner soon. I think in spite of it's problem<br>
it's the best embedded product, with "total" freedom, around right now.<br>
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Regards,<br>
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Joop.<br>
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xaos wrote:<br>
> Qtextended is probably the most stable at this point, and that has<br>
> it's caveats.<br>
><br>
> Incoming calls are always registered as missed calls.<br>
><br>
> Incoming calls are always answered as speakerphone, instead of<br>
> handset. I'm not sure if there is a setting for it, but I haven't been<br>
> able to find it. If anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd<br>
> appreciate it as I hate having to remember to switch it to handset<br>
> after I answer a call.<br>
><br>
> Often, accessing the keyboard after a call starts is impossible, which<br>
> makes it difficult when you have to navigate through a company VM<br>
> menu. You can use the "Smart" theme which works a little better but<br>
> you will need to use the stylus to access the .5" x .5" dialpad the<br>
> comes up in a call.<br>
><br>
> SMS messages received will often double themselves, or show five or<br>
> six times the amount of new messages in the New Message alert.<br>
><br>
> Select All->Move to Trash works sometimes, sometimes not, and it will<br>
> often redownload them from the SMS server after the phone<br>
> crashes/hangs/doesn't-come-out-of-suspend and requires a hard restart<br>
> which, for me, is about every two or three days.<br>
><br>
> Using the stylus is almost a necessity; you're not going to have much<br>
> luck using your finger for anything other than the largest, most<br>
> well-divided buttons. Even on the menus, you'll find yourself<br>
> selecting the wrong entry over and over (fingernails are not much of<br>
> an option for me. I'm a guitarist and keep them pretty short.) The<br>
> dockable qwerty keyboard works moderately well for composing messages<br>
> with the stylus, but the arrow keys don't work in the terminal, so be<br>
> prepared to type commands over and over, as the bash/ash history is<br>
> not accessible. The predictive text keyboard is mostly unusable due to<br>
> the inability after a word or two to change keyboard types or erase<br>
> characters.<br>
><br>
> I don't use the alarm so I can't comment on the issues others have had<br>
> with that module.<br>
><br>
> MP3 playback is pointless as it stutters constantly.<br>
><br>
> WEP wireless connections seem to only be available via command line. I<br>
> can't connect via WEP by the GUI, so I just wrote a script to do it.<br>
> Even that is weird, as I have to follow the following sequence to get<br>
> that to work:<br>
><br>
> iwconfig eth0 essid my_ap enc my_encryption_key;<br>
> sleep 2;<br>
> iwconfig eth0 essid any;<br>
> sleep 2;<br>
> udhcpd eth0;<br>
><br>
> The first time I call the script it fails. so I control-C it, and run<br>
> it again (the up arrow on the keyboard would be very handy here in the<br>
> terminal.) The second time it works and gets an IP address, however it<br>
> seems resolvconf is not updated (even though the DNS addresses are in<br>
> resolv.conf) as I can't ping by DNS, only IP. Now, if i run it a third<br>
> time it works like a charm. I don't know if this is something odd with<br>
> my network and the card on the Neo, or what but my laptop connects<br>
> fine with Ubuntu.<br>
><br>
> These things of course have all been filed as bugs already AFAIK. If<br>
> there are fixes for anything I've mentioned here, I'd love to apply<br>
> them.<br>
><br>
> I'm not sure if the phone is just grossly underpowered for what we are<br>
> trying to do with it (MP3 playback) or if it's just that the software<br>
> has a loooong way to go before being usable as a day-to-day phone<br>
> with some extra PDA features.<br>
><br>
> So, in conclusion, I'd say there are a lot less expensive gadget<br>
> phones out there that do more and will not result in your hair turning<br>
> gray prematurely. The Neo is a wonderful idea, just not implemented<br>
> very well I guess. The design is nice, it's case feels better in your<br>
> hand than any other phone I've used. It's nice to have linux on my<br>
> phone and be able to do all the things I'd do with my laptop or<br>
> desktop, but without GPRS or 3G availability, it's kind of silly. If I<br>
> have access to wireless APs, I'll have my laptop most likely, so why<br>
> use the phone for that stuff? The display resolution is crisp and many<br>
> people have commented to me on that. I like the phone, I just can't<br>
> use it without a lot of finger digit acrobatics.<br>
><br>
> </rambling><br>
><br>
> -Tom<br>
><br>
> "Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is<br>
> time to pause and reflect." -- Mark Twain<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Alastair Johnson<br>
> <<a href="mailto:alastair@truebox.co.uk">alastair@truebox.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Shawn "prjktdtnt" Thompson wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> William Kenworthy wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> No, you are in the vast majority I think - those who can reliably make<br>
>>>> phone and sms calls are in the minority - if they even exist.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> BillK<br>
>>>><br>
>>> Those of use using reliably are minority but we do exist. Occasionally<br>
>>> the phone will coma on me and require a hard restart (remove battery and<br>
>>> reinsert) but this happens less than once a week in most cases.<br>
>>><br>
>> For certain values of 'reliably' then ;-) That might pass for reliable<br>
>> in the WinCE world, but not here.<br>
>><br>
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