<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">people,<div><br></div><div>i tend to agree with Rui as well. i understand it is difficult to 'kill your darlings' but what is the (business) sense to have '8 distributions for 10.000 phones'? (the only reason i can think of is some innovative user interface, and not one of the current distributions has anything interesting to offer, including android.)<div><br></div><div>but, i am a happy openmoko customer proudly showing off, my phone is not bricking away. and even though i still have to put it 'to sleep' on my router to avoid a WSOD it is my daily phone. i am a happy qt extended user stalking sean for a working android image. sometimes i have my hopes up and flash to something else (yesterday it was SHR) but i usually 'flash back' to qt extended within half an hour.</div><div><br></div><div>so, imho, you can do whatever you want. but if you pull your resources and help sean get android-on-freerunner 'to market' quickly you will sell some more bricks. (because the brick is really really great!)</div><div><br></div><div>groet,</div><div>jurg.</div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 10, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Giorgio Marci wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div> <br> I'm completly agree with Rui.<br><br>The fact is that today, after several months, we have a phone that is not (yet) fully working. <br>As my experience i tried all the distributions and the better one (in my very personal opinion) is the SHR<br>that (unfortunately) doesn't include a phone calls manager, an sms manager (a decent one), a profile <br>configurator (ring tone, and other stuffs) and a lot of other things..they are following the right way,<br> but they need time and in the meanwhile our phones are fully of dust!!<br><br>There is the necessity to focus our effort in the development of a distribution that could<br>be usable (i.e. android) in order to have (finally) a fully working daily phone!! <br><br>This is the priority.<br><br>I don't have expercience with low level programming, but i know java as well and<br>if i could i'd like to help to achieve this goal as soon as possible.<br><br>Giorgio<br> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">----- Original Message -----<br> From: "Rui Castro" <rui.castro@gmail.com><br> To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" <community@lists.openmoko.org><br> Subject: [Android] Converting a brick into a phone<br> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:58:43 +0000<br> <br> <br> Hi,<br> <br> Like many people in this community I have my Neo resting comfortably<br> in my desk because there isn't a stable OS with the basic phone<br> funcionalities available at the moment (I already tried all the<br> distributions available). Some distributions provide some of the basic<br> stuff, but they're not reliable in many ways.<br> <br> Today I read a message from Wolfgang Spraul in the thread about the<br> end of the Optimization Team that got me worried "The way things are<br> going right now, we will probably have this release mid-next year.".<br> Well, I think this is very bad. Electronic equipment, like<br> phones/computers, become outdated in a very short period of time<br> (GTA03 is already being created). By the mid-next year Neo will be<br> pretty much an old phone and nobody really used it, yet.<br> <br> I think Android is the best candidate to turn the Neo into a daily<br> usable phone right away. It has all the basic (and not so basic)<br> applications, it has a good usability, good looks and the number of<br> users/applications will grow very rapidly in the next months, I<br> think.<br> The current state of the Android port for Neo is already very<br> encoraging and with a little effort from the community (and Openmoko<br> people) Android could be fully functional in the Freerunner in a<br> couple of weeks.<br> <br> Sean McNeil has been doing a great work, but as I see it, he is<br> basically the only one working on the low level problems. My personal<br> experience is more at the application level (Java), but with a little<br> guidance I'm willing to help in any way.<br> <br> What I would like to see is some sort of list of things to do and how<br> could the people from the community help doing them.<br> <br> I don't have much experience with open-souce projects, maybe I'm the<br> only one that doesn't know how to help. If this is the case, please<br> forgive this message :)<br> <br> Best regards,<br> Rui<br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Openmoko community mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org">community@lists.openmoko.org</a><br> <a href="http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community">http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community</a><br> </community@lists.openmoko.org></rui.castro@gmail.com></blockquote> </div> <br> -- <div> Be Yourself @ mail.com!<br> Choose From 200+ Email Addresses<br> Get a <b>Free</b> Account at <a href="http://www.mail.com/Product.aspx" target="_blank">www.mail.com</a>!</div> _______________________________________________<br>Openmoko community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org">community@lists.openmoko.org</a><br>http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community<br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>