<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Would it also be useful to add a jack for a standard power supply or things to plug a standard cigarette lightener cable ?<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>I mean the doc could also to be used in a car. Therefore a well designed voltage regulator could be added to support</div><div>a wider range of input voltage.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Also a question: Did anybody know something about KICAD (ecad software) ?</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>It has support for 3D parts, thus it will probably help to visualize a board design in 3D.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>What about the CAD drawings I sometime have posted in BRLCAD format ?</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Lothar<br><div><br><div><div>Am 09.01.2009 um 13:20 schrieb Pander:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">This can be achieved in two phases, first make a stand, than make a dock<br>with electronics.<br><br>As soon as<br><a href="http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#How_to_make_a_USB_cable_for_powering_attached_USB_devices_and_charging_the_Neo_while_in_host_mode">http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#How_to_make_a_USB_cable_for_powering_attached_USB_devices_and_charging_the_Neo_while_in_host_mode</a><br>is available (as in for sale by some one), the stand can be upgraded to<br>a dock.<br><br>Christopher Friedt wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Hmm...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">This is all starting to sound surprisingly similar to a 'dock' ...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Here's a question for the USB / Power experts out there:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Assuming such a dock was constructed, that provided a powered USB hub,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">is it possible for the Neo to simulatneously<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">1) run in host usb mode,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">2) control a USB peripheral, e.g. keyboard, and also<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">3) to charge the battery from the powered USB hub<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:35 AM, KaZeR <kazer@altern.org> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I like the idea.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Don't forget to include some place to stick an usb connector : i have a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">similar desktop stand for my p990 and it's really useful.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">-----Message d'origine-----<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">De : community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">[mailto:community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Pander<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Envoyé : mardi 6 janvier 2009 18:55<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">À : Christopher Friedt; List for Openmoko community discussion<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Objet : Re: Neo / FreeRunner 'stand'<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I'm planning to make an open hardware design for something<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">like this and have it manufactured by a 3D printer. Anyone<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">can have it manufactured at a place like http://www.shapeways.com/<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">At the moment I'm waiting to get some help to get started,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">see<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/03<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">8598.html<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Christopher Friedt wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Wouldn't it be great to have a moulded plastic stand that<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">would just<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">clip into place on the back of the FreeRunner or Neo1973,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">so that you<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">could rest it on a table in widescreen mode, and have it sit at a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">comfortable angle?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Maybe it's a good 'extra' to include int the box for GTA03 :)<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Nokia has had a 'desk stand' on their internet tablets<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote 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