<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Marcel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tanuva@googlemail.com">tanuva@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
But dict mode is useless for me if I want to write in german, and I didn't<br>
bother to find a german dict yet because they mostly don't contain slang<br>
anyway. This hold-until-magnifier-pops-up thing isn't too helpful because<br>
it takes ages to type something up with that. Hitting a key twice because<br>
the first hit wasn't exact is faster.^</blockquote><div>I wasn't talking about the big magnifier, just the small in top of the finger.</div><div>let </div><div>pi the probability you miss a key with illume keyboard,</div>
<div>pt the probability you miss a key with triangle keyboard,<br></div>ki the time to press a key with illume,</div><div class="gmail_quote">kt the time to press a key with triangle,</div><div class="gmail_quote">ei the time to cancel an error with illume,</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">et the time to cancel an error with triangle.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">et = 0 and ei = ki<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">
the average time to type the correct key is: t(p, k, e) = k + Sum (i = [1, +inf], (k+e)*pi^i)</div><div class="gmail_quote">ti = t(pi, ki, ei)</div><div class="gmail_quote">tt = t(pt, kt, 0)</div><div class="gmail_quote">
<br></div><div class="gmail_quote">et = 0 and ei = ki</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">the remaining maths are left as an exercise for the reader (I'm at work now and I don't remember how to do that) :p</div>
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Marcel<br>
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Am Mittwoch, 3. Juni 2009 14:14:40 schrieb Mathieu Rochette:<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5">> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Marcel <<a href="mailto:tanuva@googlemail.com">tanuva@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > I simply want to try that design before sending it to hell, maybe it<br>
> > just works fine... I agree with people who said this before: Hitting<br>
> > actually dead space is less painful than hitting the wrong key and<br>
> > having to backspace/stroke-left all the time, maybe even accidentally<br>
> > pressing other keys while doing that.<br>
><br>
> with illume keyboard, if you use the dictionary mode, pressing another<br>
> key is not that annoying.<br>
> it is for other mode but the preview key (the key gone up when you<br>
> press it) give you good feedback about which key your in and you can<br>
> move your finger to correct if needed.<br>
> unless his keyboard print the key on finger press (instead of finger<br>
> up), you can not see if you hit a dead space or a key and so you can't<br>
> move your finger to correct it, you have to make another try.<br>
><br>
> > --<br>
> > Marcel<br>
> ><br>
> > Am Mittwoch, 3. Juni 2009 13:53:46 schrieb Yorick Moko:<br>
> > > i'm still undecided...<br>
> > > although i agree it is far more annoying to hit the wrong key<br>
> > > instead of no key<br>
> > ><br>
> > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Joseph Reeves<br>
> > > <<a href="mailto:iknowjoseph@gmail.com">iknowjoseph@gmail.com</a>><br>
> ><br>
> > wrote:<br>
> > > >> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines<br>
> > > >> together inverted to each other?<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > I think the fact that it's not like you describe the whole idea<br>
> > > > of the design ;)<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Go to the page on El Reg and try and type your name by pushing<br>
> > > > your monitor. It's stupid, yes, but it gives you an idea of how<br>
> > > > it would work. It seems, without any feedback, to be very nice.<br>
> > > > The fact that all the triangles are orientated the same way means<br>
> > > > you get a huge area of triangular free space around each key,<br>
> > > > that lets you mash at them without accidentally hitting another.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > I don't think it's about training your hands as others have said,<br>
> > > > it's about providing a key with a lot of free space around it -<br>
> > > > effectively you've made the key bigger (because you can hit any<br>
> > > > are around it and "sort of" hit the right one without mis-hitting<br>
> > > > another) whilst keeping the overall size very small.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Its genius is its simplicity.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Joseph<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > 2009/6/3 neovento@freerunner <<a href="mailto:spaaam@ymail.com">spaaam@ymail.com</a>>:<br>
> > > >> There is lots of space wasted. Why hasn't he put the key lines<br>
> > > >> together inverted to each other?<br>
> > > >><br>
> > > >> Risto H. Kurppa wrote:<br>
> > > >>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Robin Paulson<br>
> > > >>> <<a href="mailto:robin.paulson@gmail.com">robin.paulson@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > > >>><br>
> > > >>> wrote:<br>
> > > >>>> apparently, triangular buttons produce less errors.<br>
> > > >>>><br>
> > > >>>> <a href="http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/" target="_blank">http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/02/crocodile_keyboard/</a><br>
> > > >>>><br>
> > > >>>> i'm not totally convinced, but it would be worth a go, i think<br>
> > > >>>><br>
> > > >>>> now, is it possible to coerce raster's keyboard into using<br>
> > > >>>> anything other than square keys?<br>
> > > >>><br>
> > > >>> Looks interesting!<br>
> > > >>><br>
> > > >>><br>
> > > >>> r<br>
> > > >>><br>
> > > >>> --<br>
> > > >>><br>
> > > >>> | risto h. kurppa<br>
> > > >>> | risto at kurppa dot fi<br>
> > > >>> | <a href="http://risto.kurppa.fi" target="_blank">http://risto.kurppa.fi</a><br>
> > > >>><br>
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